From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 1 08:34:38 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:34:38 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > For anyone who might still think that the > pure artistic principal alone ^^^^^^^^^ Who are you? What have you done with the real Jill Strobridge? FoFP From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Wed Sep 1 08:44:07 2004 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Cosmos In Space) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:07 +0200 Subject: Schulze 7 Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <200409011234.i81CYcEc008994@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: sorry for the commercial but i have some out of print CD's of -Klaus Schulze (Jubilee Edition) -Tangerine Dream and some others now on ebay. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=jgongy&rows=50&since=-1&rd=1 otherwise just DELETE this message. thanks for your time andre From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Sep 1 12:40:20 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:40:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:43 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >... 'High Rise' [did anyone who heard the Spirits Burning version >notice the PETA-unfriendly nod to the first/last scenes of that book?] I haven't read the book so I'm not sure if this is correct, but along with Indy's barks and pants I seem to hear sound effects like a person eating - given that it's PETA-unfriendly, I take it that someone was eating dog food, and not the kind that is food FOR dogs? Stephan From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 1 14:36:36 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:36:36 +0100 Subject: BOC book In-Reply-To: <7C28FAA1-FB91-11D8-BD70-000A959BC38E@imrryr.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: OK, hands up who's bought the Martin Popoff book on BOC - "Secrets Revealed". It's a great read, if a little expensive. Nevertheless it's got pretty much everything you need to know about EVERY BOC song, even lots of the unreleased ones from the "Spectres" and "Mirrors" sessions. I can recommend it. Tony From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Sep 1 16:47:35 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:47:35 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: Ah Mr Holmes - you have found me out - in principle you are correct. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: Re: HW:Sonic Assassins book > Jill Strobridge writes: > > > For anyone who might still think that the > > pure artistic principal alone > ^^^^^^^^^ > > Who are you? What have you done with the real Jill Strobridge? > > FoFP > > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Sep 1 17:42:12 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:42:12 -0400 Subject: BOC book Message-ID: Glad to hear it's a good one; ordered it last week tim 8>)... Tony wrote: > > OK, hands up who's bought the Martin Popoff book on BOC - "Secrets > Revealed". It's a great read, if a little expensive. Nevertheless it's > got pretty much everything you need to know about EVERY BOC song, even > lots of the unreleased ones from the "Spectres" and "Mirrors" sessions. > I can recommend it. > Tony From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 2 08:38:02 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:38:02 -0400 Subject: BOC book In-Reply-To: <200409020900.i82903wM015729@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >> > OK, hands up who's bought the Martin Popoff book on BOC - "Secrets >> > Revealed". It's a great read, if a little expensive. Nevertheless it's >> > got pretty much everything you need to know about EVERY BOC song, even >> > lots of the unreleased ones from the "Spectres" and "Mirrors" sessions. >> > I can recommend it. >> > Tony I got mine, and I think it's great. Thanks to Martin for mentioning me and the FAQ in the intro. I've just started into it but there's a lot of cool stuff. The only thing that makes me cringe a bit is, despite Martin's assertations about keeping some of the "dirt" on the band out, some of the interviews (particularly with Richard Meltzer) contain information that I would have wanted to leave out. But that's just me - others (perhaps including the people mentioned) have less of an issue with it so I perhaps shouldn't complain. But, it is a fascinating read, even for someone such as myself who knows at some level much of what is there. I highly recommend it as well. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 2 11:16:36 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:16:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: G For Germany - redux Message-ID: Just a quick note to say sorry I didn't meet up with any list members on my German tour. In the end we did Leiden-Gemmelich-Aachen-St.Goar-Mainz-Heidelberg-Trier-Cologne-Munster Germans have to be the most friendly people on the planet and we had a great time visiting cathedrals, castles and Roman monuments as well as a large number of very nice restaurants and old wood-panelled bars. The Germans could certainly teach us Brits a lot about how to light a room. Most beautiful city: Heidelberg Best monument: Roman baths in Trier Best Bar: Heidelberg/Cologne/Munster/Aachen all had fantastic places Best Beer: Bitenburg (sorry, it had to be Belgian - the Germans could learn something about beer from countries starting with B) ObServations: Germany has the cycling thing a lot more sorted than we do. Germany has a lot of trees. Britain must look nude to Germans. Unfortunately the only music I saw involved piano accordion. Next time... I'll definitely be Bach. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 2 11:42:47 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:42:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: G For Germany - redux In-Reply-To: <200409021516.i82FGakd018584@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Britain must look nude to Germans. Britain doesn't just _look_ nude, it _is_ nude ;) Even after all these years, I'm alarmed by a landscape that, considering the relatively decent number of _plants_, seems strangely devoid of _trees_ .... Ah well, I guess there's always the HMS Victory exhibit to go look at :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 2 13:28:33 2004 From: murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM (Murray Ewing) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:28:33 +0100 Subject: BOC book In-Reply-To: <4137142A.9080007@mitre.org> Message-ID: Can someone post the URL where this book can be purchased? Many thanks. And hopefully I can order it from the UK! Murray From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Thu Sep 2 13:45:52 2004 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:45:52 +0200 Subject: AW: BOC book Message-ID: www.amazon.com chris ________________________________ Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List im Auftrag von Murray Ewing Gesendet: Do 02.09.2004 19:28 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: BOC book Can someone post the URL where this book can be purchased? Many thanks. And hopefully I can order it from the UK! Murray From murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 2 14:21:09 2004 From: murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM (Murray Ewing) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:21:09 +0100 Subject: AW: BOC book In-Reply-To: <51091A289F4BEC4FAB25C9BBC712A208354034@mapibe02.exchange.xchg> Message-ID: Thanks. I often miss the bleedin' obvious. Murray On 2 Sep 2004, at 18:45, Appelt, Christian wrote: > www.amazon.com > > chris > > ________________________________ > > Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List im Auftrag von Murray Ewing > Gesendet: Do 02.09.2004 19:28 > An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Betreff: Re: BOC book > > > > Can someone post the URL where this book can be purchased? Many thanks. > > And hopefully I can order it from the UK! > > Murray > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Sep 2 18:19:33 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:19:33 -0400 Subject: AW: BOC book Message-ID: Actually, if you look in the archives, a couple of weks ago there was a posting where you could buy it direct from the author in Canada tim 8>)... Murray Ewing wrote: > > Thanks. > > I often miss the bleedin' obvious. > > Murray > > > On 2 Sep 2004, at 18:45, Appelt, Christian wrote: > > > www.amazon.com > > > > chris > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List im Auftrag von Murray Ewing > > Gesendet: Do 02.09.2004 19:28 > > An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Betreff: Re: BOC book > > > > > > > > Can someone post the URL where this book can be purchased? Many thanks. > > > > And hopefully I can order it from the UK! > > > > Murray > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 2 19:09:01 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:39:01 +0930 Subject: AW: BOC book Message-ID: Did BUCK write the BOOK about BOC? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: Re: AW: BOC book > Actually, if you look in the archives, a couple of weks ago there was a posting where you could buy it direct from the author in Canada > tim 8>)... > Murray Ewing wrote: > > > > Thanks. > > > > I often miss the bleedin' obvious. > > > > Murray > > > > > > On 2 Sep 2004, at 18:45, Appelt, Christian wrote: > > > > > www.amazon.com > > > > > > chris > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List im Auftrag von Murray Ewing > > > Gesendet: Do 02.09.2004 19:28 > > > An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Betreff: Re: BOC book > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone post the URL where this book can be purchased? Many thanks. > > > > > > And hopefully I can order it from the UK! > > > > > > Murray > > > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Sep 2 18:50:59 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:50:59 -0400 Subject: BOC book Message-ID: Ahh, here it is.You can e-mail him at and he'll e-mail you with info on the BOC and other books he's written. tim 8>)... From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Sep 3 09:34:13 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:34:13 +0100 Subject: BOC book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also, Martin Popoff tends to sign the books if you buy from him directly. You may have to tell him not to if you prefer a pristine copy. It cost me $30 (around ?16) for a copy to be sent to the UK and it's worth every penny. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 02 September 2004 23:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC book Ahh, here it is.You can e-mail him at and he'll e-mail you with info on the BOC and other books he's written. tim 8>)... From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Sep 3 10:15:48 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:15:48 +0200 Subject: HW: BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: JJ queries... Brilliant stonerish-psych band (well, at least on this night) based in Berlin but hailing from Portland, Oregon. I was wondering why they spoke American English. www.pothead.de gets you their site. >How were Outskirts of Infinity? I liked them quite alot, but was only familiar with just a small fraction of their stuff ahead of time since their CDs are so rare. (Luckily I found one at the fest.) My review of the whole event will appear shortly on AI.com, so I'll let you know when it's up. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BTW...for those in either of these areas... The Bevis Frond are playing The Harmonie Club, Bonn on October the 6th for German Television's Rockpalast as part of the Crossroads Festival with On Trial and Ricochets. http://www.rockpalast.de/bands/the_bevis_frond/ The Bevis Frond will also be playing the Standard Music Venue, Walthamstow, London (opposite Blackhorse Road Underground station) on October the 10th supported by The Outskirts of Infinity. Tickets only available at the door on the day of the show. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >The extra Frond members are Paul Simmons of The Alchemysts >The new drummer is a man called Jules Fenton Thanks for that info! Grakkl (FAA) P.S. In December, 2004, they will have another three-day Crossroads fest at this club in Bonn, featuring Amon Duul II, Birth Control, Guru Guru, Jane, Epitaph, and Karthago. All will be show on WDR TV at some point on the Rockpalast show. P.P.S. Amon Duul II didn't get their visas approved in time to make it to the US for ProgDay and the other dates they were planning. Perhaps soon though. Gee, thanks Tom Ridge! You're my hero. Protecting the borders from geriatric hippies. P.P.P.S. Still nothing about "Take Me to Your Leader" on the Voiceprint page. In the upcoming releases, they have this Hawkfest Spacehead recording CD listed. I think I remember somebody mentioning it here (?)...is it already out now? From asg at MVDBASE.COM Fri Sep 3 11:40:02 2004 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:40:02 +0200 Subject: BOC: Demon Hunter comic book Message-ID: Interesting little bit of trivia... I just came across an old comic book called Demon Hunter. The first issue was titled "The harvester of eyes". Of course, it immediately made me think of BOC. And then I noticed a footnote saying "dedicated to Buck Dharma and the boys". Funny. This was written by David Anthony Kraft, with art by Richard F. Buckler, published in Sept. 1975 by Atlas Comics. Made me wonder if there was a story behind this, and if the band was aware of this comic? Just looked in the FAQ. Didn't see this particular issue mentioned, but OTOH I noticed that Kraft later wrote more BOC-related stuff. Very interesting. Demon Hunter predates all that, though, apparently. Perhaps something to add in there, John? Let me know if you want more info :-) On a side note, and speaking of the FAQ, I noticed it was dated from 2001... is there a more recent version somewhere else? I was looking at http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/boc_faq.html Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From robert_pardini at GROVE.COM Fri Sep 3 12:09:58 2004 From: robert_pardini at GROVE.COM (Robert Pardini) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:09:58 -0700 Subject: BOC: Demon Hunter comic book In-Reply-To: <200409031738.55837.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: I'm sure you know about the famous "Revenge of Vera Gemini" storyline in Marvel's Defenders comic book, circa 1978. It featured a very obtuse story but has many B?C references. BTW, check out this link for more comic book references: http://www.blueoystercult.com/Media/comix.html P.S. Presently working on Immaginos graphic novel myself. Received Albert's blessing on the project . . .still trying to get in touch with Sandy. Bobby On 9/3/04 8:40 AM, "Alex S. Garcia" wrote: > Interesting little bit of trivia... I just came across an old comic book > called Demon Hunter. The first issue was titled "The harvester of eyes". Of > course, it immediately made me think of BOC. And then I noticed a footnote > saying "dedicated to Buck Dharma and the boys". Funny. > > This was written by David Anthony Kraft, with art by Richard F. Buckler, > published in Sept. 1975 by Atlas Comics. > > Made me wonder if there was a story behind this, and if the band was aware of > this comic? > > Just looked in the FAQ. Didn't see this particular issue mentioned, but OTOH I > noticed that Kraft later wrote more BOC-related stuff. Very interesting. > Demon Hunter predates all that, though, apparently. Perhaps something to add > in there, John? Let me know if you want more info :-) > > On a side note, and speaking of the FAQ, I noticed it was dated from 2001... > is there a more recent version somewhere else? I was looking at > http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/boc_faq.html > > > > Alex. > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 3 15:46:34 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (jswartz@mitre.org) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:46:34 -0400 Subject: AW: BOC book In-Reply-To: <200409030900.i83901Ge026246@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >Did BUCK write the BOOK about BOC? > > No, it was written by Martin Popoff, a former BOC-L member. He's written a few books - I have his "Heavy Metal Collectors Guide" and it is a great read. Martin is about the same age as I am, and he wrote with a lot of the same perspectives on various bands/albums that I had. John From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Sep 3 17:34:59 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:34:59 -0400 Subject: AW: BOC book Message-ID: Yeah, I have that book, too. It was fun looking up albums I own and comparing opinions with the book. tim 8>)... jswartz at mitre.org wrote: > > >Did BUCK write the BOOK about BOC? > > > > > > No, it was written by Martin Popoff, a former BOC-L member. He's > written a few books - I have his "Heavy Metal Collectors Guide" and it > is a great read. Martin is about the same age as I am, and he wrote > with a lot of the same perspectives on various bands/albums that I had. > > John From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Sat Sep 4 03:33:33 2004 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:33:33 +0800 Subject: HW: "The Best of Indie Metal" (kollektors nugget bulletin) In-Reply-To: <200408080900.i788leKi016062@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hi Christian, Thanks for putting this kollektors nugget up on the list. I'd certainly never heard of this release before. Am I right in thinking that this is the only release of Huw's "Wind Of Change" on CD? I had a quick look thru my Hawkwind Friends And Relations CDs, and could find the other 3 Huw tracks from the other flicknife singles on "Friends & Relations The Very Best Of Plus Raraties": (1) Outside The Law - A side from the 7" single free with Outside The Law (2) Working Time - B side from 7" single Wind Of Change (3) I See You - B side from the 7" single free with Outside The Law So this track completes my Huw collection I think. Found my copy on eBay about a week back and for only 99p, I'd have paid $$ just for this Huw track, its the first time I've been able to listen to it in 10 years, since the stylus broke on my turntable, I just never bothered replacing it...! Now, maybe I should consider trying to find a replacement stylus otherwise I may never get to hear Huw's "Dreams That Fade Away", and that bad quality flicknife "Outside The Law" LP again! BTW, anyone looked at Huw's site recently, there are a few MP3s up there: 5 demo tracks from Huw's late 70's band Jawa, including a great version of Rocky Paths for all you Huw era Hawkind fans! Definitely worth checking out! Cheers, Ian. At 05:00 8/08/04 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:40:43 -0700 >From: Christian >Subject: HW: "The Best of Indie Metal" (kollektors nugget bulletin) > >Anyone else ever pick this up. I got this at a supermarket with the almost >recent Stranglers "Written In Blood" CD (the new singer is just as good =) >Anyway, It has two Hawkwind tunes from the "Mighty Hawkwind Classics >1980-85" and Huw Lloyd-Langton's "Wind Of Change" plus +++ Persian Risk, >Tygers Of Pan Tang, Girlschool, The Scrubs and other classic 80's UK >"indie" metal. > >on Emporio EMPRCD552 > > >Tracklist later cause I gotta go... > >Christian Elkhund m/f From ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET Sat Sep 4 08:02:11 2004 From: ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:02:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins Review Message-ID: Nice review here: http://www.ph-uk.co.uk/post/EpAuEuAkyATkhgXdtU.shtml Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 4 11:25:35 2004 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:25:35 +0000 Subject: Assassins and Huw in E.17 Message-ID: Great night had by all last night.It's the first time I've seen a tribute band and this wa sgreat fun ! Huw's playing was great and they did a wide variaty off stuff. Dreaming City ; High Rise;Disappear in smoke; among the ones that got me up dancing!! A really good fun night!!Look at Huw's website/Assassin's websiite over the next few days as Steve L. videoed some of it which will appear soon.Huw looked well I thought! ! Hope he's well , he was on form last night! saw Richard (hello!)and me Steve L. and Jim (they both came in from Reading) got a real buzzz from the occassion! Highly reccommended! >From: Maxine Wesley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Off: Assassins of Silence >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:09:35 +0100 > >Lokos like the south is becoming a hotbed for HW activity... > >more advertising for ya: > >The world's number one Hawkwind tribute band, ASSASSINS OF SILENCE are at >South Parade Pier on Friday. > >The Assassins of Silence deliver the full-on 1970's Hawkwind experience - >light show, smoke, dancers, hypnotic rhythms and soaring leads.With a set >list >ranging from 1969 to 1993 and a visual presentation situated firmly in the >Space >Ritual era they provide a virtual space rock experience. > >Renowned in the space rock scene for their light show and dancers, The >Assassins have played a range of festivals and gigs and have built up a >loyal >following. > >Formed in 2002 by a hardcore cadre of Hawkwind fans and led by Dave Adams >on >Rickenbacker bass and vocals, the current lineup includes Chris Crosskey on >keyboards, Kevin "Spook" Perry on guitar and vocals, Rob Holmes on drums >and Ben >Deschamps on woodwinds and violin. Their dancer, Kat, in a variety of >costumes, is a highlight of the set, and Des the Roadie even guests on >vocals for a >few numbers. > >The band's chaotic but focused live show has become legendary, and its fame >has even spread to the Hawkwind camp, who invited them to play Hawkfest >2003, >thus making them one of the few tribute acts ever to be booked by the >band >whose songs they play! > >ASSASSINS OF SILENCE appear at South Parade Pier, Southsea, on Friday 30th >July. Doors open at 8.p.m. > >regards > >maxine _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Sep 4 13:07:07 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:07:07 -0400 Subject: Off:Frances Message-ID: Hey everyone: Hunkering down in Polk county Florida, hurricane Frances on the way; any prayers to the old gods of wind and rain will be appreciated... tim 8>)... From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Sep 4 21:36:03 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:36:03 -0500 Subject: Assassins and Huw in E.17 Message-ID: It's pleasing to hear that Huw is doing well! I look forward to hearing some more of that brilliant playing with Hawkwind in the near future! John Majka > Great night had by all last night.It's the first time I've seen a tribute > band and this wa sgreat fun ! > Huw's playing was great and they did a wide variaty off stuff. Dreaming City > ; High Rise;Disappear in smoke; among the ones that got me up dancing!! A > really good fun night!!Look at Huw's website/Assassin's websiite over the > next few days as Steve L. videoed some of it which will appear soon.Huw > looked well I thought! ! Hope he's well , he was on form last night! saw > Richard (hello!)and me Steve L. and Jim (they both came in from Reading) got > a real buzzz from the occassion! Highly reccommended! > > > >From: Maxine Wesley > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Off: Assassins of Silence > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:09:35 +0100 > > > >Lokos like the south is becoming a hotbed for HW activity... > > > >more advertising for ya: > > > >The world's number one Hawkwind tribute band, ASSASSINS OF SILENCE are at > >South Parade Pier on Friday. > > > >The Assassins of Silence deliver the full-on 1970's Hawkwind experience - > >light show, smoke, dancers, hypnotic rhythms and soaring leads.With a set > >list > >ranging from 1969 to 1993 and a visual presentation situated firmly in the > >Space > >Ritual era they provide a virtual space rock experience. > > > >Renowned in the space rock scene for their light show and dancers, The > >Assassins have played a range of festivals and gigs and have built up a > >loyal > >following. > > > >Formed in 2002 by a hardcore cadre of Hawkwind fans and led by Dave Adams > >on > >Rickenbacker bass and vocals, the current lineup includes Chris Crosskey on > >keyboards, Kevin "Spook" Perry on guitar and vocals, Rob Holmes on drums > >and Ben > >Deschamps on woodwinds and violin. Their dancer, Kat, in a variety of > >costumes, is a highlight of the set, and Des the Roadie even guests on > >vocals for a > >few numbers. > > > >The band's chaotic but focused live show has become legendary, and its fame > >has even spread to the Hawkwind camp, who invited them to play Hawkfest > >2003, > >thus making them one of the few tribute acts ever to be booked by the > >band > >whose songs they play! > > > >ASSASSINS OF SILENCE appear at South Parade Pier, Southsea, on Friday 30th > >July. Doors open at 8.p.m. > > > >regards > > > >maxine > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From gg at SIO4.COM Mon Sep 6 10:30:30 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:30:30 +0200 Subject: HW: dvd's at Play.com Message-ID: play.com seems to have some new dvd's: http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=search&searchtype=rmtitle&searchstring=Hawkwind Hawkwind - Solstice At Stonehenge is the dvd of the "Do Not Panic" album? From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Sep 6 10:33:02 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: G For Germany - redux In-Reply-To: <200409021516.i82FGakd018584@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:16:36PM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:16:36PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > Germans have to be the most friendly people on the planet and we had a > great time visiting cathedrals, castles and Roman monuments as well as a Some friends of mine backpacked across a lot of Europe a couple years ago. They were touring Germany at one point, when one of them came down with a severe flu with fever. He basically tried to "walk it off", which proved to a bad idea, and at one point they were in a cab and he pretty much passed out. The cabbie said basically "what are you crazy?", and drove them to a hospital, and refused to collect his fare. The folks at the hospital gave my friend care for his immediate syptoms, and insisted on keeping him overnight for observation. They didn't charge him for any of the equipment, food, medicines or services. Both of them came back talking about how Germany was the friendliest country that they visited. "...for example, Germany, where everybody seems to speak English better than the average U.S. congressperson." --Dave Barry -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET Mon Sep 6 13:35:39 2004 From: ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:35:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins US Sales Message-ID: I'm really pleased to be able to note, mainly for the benefit of stateside list-members, that Hawkwind : Sonic Assassins is now also available from Jim Lascko's "Strange Trips" website: http://www.strange-trips.com/ So, if the shipping cost direct from the UK publisher has been a bit daunting, here's an opportunity for direct from the US shipment. Jim has, of course, done so much for the spacerock scene, so it's terrific to be able to work with him. I know some people prefer to purchase away from the big corporations, so here's a chance to purchase through one of spacerock's most ardent supporters. Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 6 15:17:25 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:17:25 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <22810429.1094492139508.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. I checked the archives in case I was missing posts, but it really IS quiet. Is this because not much is happening at the moment or have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Sep 6 15:23:19 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:23:19 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com Would be nice to see some folks there, since there was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > From: Michael Crook > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. I > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, but > it really IS quiet. > Is this because not much is happening at the moment or > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 6 16:40:48 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:40:48 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <20040906192319.NGST404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I bet he's got loads of material unreleased. I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants though) Mick --- Stephe Lindas wrote: > Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but > crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. > Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, > Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at > the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the > late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com > Would be nice to see some folks there, since there > was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > > > From: Michael Crook > > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > everyone? > > > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. > I > > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, > but > > it really IS quiet. > > Is this because not much is happening at the > moment or > > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Sep 6 17:25:44 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:25:44 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: Hi Michael, There are all the official releases available at the Strange-trips link. I know he sells the same ones at his gigs. I'd love to get some of his unreleased material. Maybe I will ask him when I see him. You never know. Cheers Stephe > > From: Michael Crook > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 04:40:48 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > > Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one > up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I > bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to > leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants > though) > > Mick > > --- Stephe Lindas wrote: > > Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but > > crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. > > Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, > > Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at > > the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the > > late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com > > Would be nice to see some folks there, since there > > was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > > > > > From: Michael Crook > > > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > > everyone? > > > > > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. > > I > > > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, > > but > > > it really IS quiet. > > > Is this because not much is happening at the > > moment or > > > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Sep 6 20:50:42 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing thing during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake seem completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to the trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. John Majka > Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one > up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I > bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to > leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants > though) > > Mick > > --- Stephe Lindas wrote: > > Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but > > crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. > > Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, > > Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at > > the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the > > late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com > > Would be nice to see some folks there, since there > > was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > > > > > From: Michael Crook > > > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > > everyone? > > > > > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. > > I > > > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, > > but > > > it really IS quiet. > > > Is this because not much is happening at the > > moment or > > > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Sep 6 21:33:15 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:03:15 +0930 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: Two very different playing styles. Its lame to say one is better or worse than the other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing thing > during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake seem completely > inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would be on keyboards > and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to the trio of Brock, Davey, > and Chadwick. > John Majka > > > > > Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one > > up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I > > bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > > I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to > > leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants > > though) > > > > Mick > > > > --- Stephe Lindas wrote: > > > Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but > > > crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. > > > Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, > > > Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at > > > the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the > > > late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com > > > Would be nice to see some folks there, since there > > > was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > > > > > > > From: Michael Crook > > > > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > > > everyone? > > > > > > > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. > > > I > > > > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, > > > but > > > > it really IS quiet. > > > > Is this because not much is happening at the > > > moment or > > > > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > > > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 7 03:38:35 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:38:35 +0000 Subject: Epoch Eclipse 3 CD set Message-ID: Advertised for ?4.99 + p&p on www.101cd.com at the moment! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 7 04:38:19 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:38:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead (was: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Mark Lee wrote: > As for Motorhead, well I must > admit > to not having kept up with the Lemsters output for several years, > never > stopped playing the old stuff tho - No Sleep, Iron Fist yadda yadda. > Seeing the comments in some of the posts makes me suspect I've been > missing out, must check the discography and see what I'm missing, > anyone care to make recommendations ? (That's opened a can of worms) I'm always happy to make Mot?rhead recommendations :-) Obviously you need _Orgasmatron_, but that's hardly `new'. _Bastards_ is very good if you can find it, and I think _We Are Mot?rhead_ is almost the same consistently good quality as those two, albeit with slightly more retread material (the cover of `God Save the Queen' and the title track, which is basically `Ace of Spades' with new words). Thereafter you have to delve into stuff which has some brilliant moments, but where some of the material is filler and I think _Sacrifice_ and _Overnight Sensation_ fit in there, both good though. I don't have _Rock'n'Roll_, _No Sleep At All_, _March ?r Die_, _Snakebite Love_ or _Inferno_ and so I can't say anything about those (well, that's never stopped me before but you know what I mean). I do have _Hammered_, and that's a rather different kettle of fish; a couple of the tracks are much more complex than your run-of-the- mill Mot?rhead, but the overall force and punch of the album suffers a bit. Also, Lemmy sounds a lot as if he's whining about stuff for much of it, he's clearly still got the righteous anger going there but it comes across as if when he was recording _Hammered_ he was feeling rather as if he was on his own with it, and it has a slight thinness about the production that makes all these things come together to feel like weakness despite some quite clever songs. I can see how if _Inferno_ is just straight ahead full-power Mot?rmadness it might well appeal more to the average fan. In summary, from recent Mot?rhead (the last twelve years, style of thing) I;d say _Bastards_ (if you can find it) and _We Are Motorhead_ are the most definitely worth having. Thereafter _Sacrifice_ and either _Overnight Sensation_ or _Hammered_ or even both, and after that, you may as well admit you're going to get them all anyway. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Atomic Bitchwax - _The Atomic Bitchwax_ (why weren't any of the follow-up discs anything like this good, eh, could it be that all their material takes five years of ageing to get `right'?) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Sep 7 05:13:05 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 05:13:05 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: I don't think its lame. Its a matter of choice. > > From: "Muad'Dib" > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 09:33:15 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > > Two very different playing styles. Its lame to say one is better or worse > than the other. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Majka" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > > > > I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing thing > > during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake seem > completely > > inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would be on keyboards > > and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to the trio of Brock, Davey, > > and Chadwick. > > John Majka > > > > > > > > > Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one > > > up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I > > > bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > > > I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to > > > leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants > > > though) > > > > > > Mick > > > > > > --- Stephe Lindas wrote: > > > > Hey, Could be on the HW yahoo group. Nothing but > > > > crap there. 100's of emails. Silence is golden. > > > > Harvey Bainbridge will be doing a gig in Cleveland, > > > > Ohio on Hallows eve if anyones interested. Its at > > > > the Symposium where Nik played a few times in the > > > > late 90's. Details are at www.strange-trips.com > > > > Would be nice to see some folks there, since there > > > > was no Hawkfest this year. Cheers Stephe > > > > > > > > > > From: Michael Crook > > > > > Date: 2004/09/06 Mon PM 03:17:25 EDT > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > > > > everyone? > > > > > > > > > > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. > > > > I > > > > > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, > > > > but > > > > > it really IS quiet. > > > > > Is this because not much is happening at the > > > > moment or > > > > > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! > > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 7 06:40:43 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:10:43 +0930 Subject: HW: What's Message-ID: Choices are what make the world go around. How ya goin curly? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > I don't think its lame. Its a matter of choice. > > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 7 07:00:04 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:00:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. In-Reply-To: <001001c494c7$20610b10$3acb8890@homer> Message-ID: Hi folks, Just ordered Love in Space from Play.com, will be arriving in a couple of days. Can anyone tell me if its a good recording? As must admit most recordings so far have not been my cuppa tea.... Does anyone know where this was recorded ? Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? regards Iain From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 7 07:04:52 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:34:52 +0930 Subject: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. Message-ID: I think its one of the best - when my dog chewed the cover of my first cover I bought another. good quality film and sound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. > Hi folks, > > Just ordered Love in Space from Play.com, will be arriving in a couple > of days. Can anyone tell me if its a good recording? As must admit most > recordings so far have not been my cuppa tea.... > > Does anyone know where this was recorded ? > > Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the > BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? > > regards > Iain > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 7 07:08:42 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:08:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. Message-ID: I only have it on VHS so dificult to comment. The only other footage supposedly around is more of the Dunstable '72 gig that Silver Machine came from and some hawklords stuff that was shown on the Top Ten programme with Calvert that look mouth watering, but god who controls that? Eddie. >From: Iain Ferguson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. >Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:00:04 +0100 > >Hi folks, > >Just ordered Love in Space from Play.com, will be arriving in a couple >of days. Can anyone tell me if its a good recording? As must admit most >recordings so far have not been my cuppa tea.... > >Does anyone know where this was recorded ? > >Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the >BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? > >regards >Iain Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://ejdvillas.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 7 07:13:25 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:43:25 +0930 Subject: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. Message-ID: oh - from memory its in two or three venues - one being the Brixton Academy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. > Hi folks, > > Just ordered Love in Space from Play.com, will be arriving in a couple > of days. Can anyone tell me if its a good recording? As must admit most > recordings so far have not been my cuppa tea.... > > Does anyone know where this was recorded ? > > Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the > BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? > > regards > Iain > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 7 07:20:48 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:20:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh Yeah, I remember the Calvert snippet, that did look like quality, that would be great to see Bob in full effect. It does seem strange that there is lots of festival footage out there with footage of all manor of bands, see freak emporium online for an idea of how diverse, even Pink pop festivals from 1971. yet there just seems nothing of Hawkwind from the 70's at all that is available, Am aware of a reel of concert footage without sound that was found a couple of years back, but again who owns it & will it ever see the light of day. I'd have it without sound if its quality, and just play Space Ritual whilst i watched it.... Regards Iain eddie jobson wrote on 9/7/2004, 12:08 PM: > I only have it on VHS so dificult to comment. The only other footage > supposedly around is more of the Dunstable '72 gig that Silver Machine > came > from and some hawklords stuff that was shown on the Top Ten programme > with > Calvert that look mouth watering, but god who controls that? > > Eddie. > > >Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the > >BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Sep 7 07:58:06 2004 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:58:06 +0800 Subject: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. Message-ID: I've had this one awhile but haven't watched it yet. It's still in the plastic. It's from the Alien 4 tour in 1995 and there's 4 venues - Liverpool Royal Court, Manchester Academy, Bristol Colston Hall and London Brixton Academy. From most posts I read this year it's rated highly along with Chaos (which I don't have) and Out Of The Shadows which I think is brilliant. The other DVD I have is Solstice At Stonehenge where one can appreciate Nik as an excellent frontman. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muad'Dib" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. > oh - from memory its in two or three venues - one being the Brixton Academy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Ferguson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:30 PM > Subject: HW: Just ordered Love in Space DVD. > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just ordered Love in Space from Play.com, will be arriving in a couple > > of days. Can anyone tell me if its a good recording? As must admit most > > recordings so far have not been my cuppa tea.... > > > > Does anyone know where this was recorded ? > > > > Is there any Classic 70's Hawkwind film footage out there apart from the > > BBC TOTP -Silver Machine? > > > > regards > > Iain > > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Sep 7 09:33:57 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:33:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Worldcon Boston - David Hardy and more! Message-ID: We've just returned from Worldcon (World Science Fiction Convention) in Boston which was an interesting weekend: David A Hardy (Rear Cover Artist for 'Hall of the Mountain Grill')probably Britains best known Space Artist, did a nice long video presentation about the History of Space Art, and later in the Con they did an in depth interview with him, where it turned out that he's a biker and into Heavy Rock ;-)No Hawkwind anecdotes, but there is a bit in his book 'Hardyware' He was kind enough to sign my copy of Hall of the Mountain Grill, and is very modest about his fantastic space art. Also we ended up chatting to bunches of hawkwind fans through the weekend, strangely there seems to be a crossover with SF fans, who would have thought ;-) Strangest Bit of Hawkwind Synchronicity though. We were in the dealers room, and one of the dealers bounded over enthusiastically when he saw our hawkwind T Shirts. It turned out to be Rob Godwin who used to run Griffin records, and wrote the Hawkwind Collectors Guide. What a sweet guy, he chatted to us for a nearly an hour about the band, Griffin Records, and what he's up to since Griffin folded. He is a true fan. Unbelievably he now runs a publishing company that puts out space books/multimedia in association with NASA and others, called: Apogee books (http://www.cgpublishing.com/splash.htm) One of the first books that he did had a dedication to Dave, Bob and others. Apparently there is actually a rocket scientist over here in the US called Dave Brock ;-) Anyway if you get the chance to go to a worldcon do it, a fantastic weekend, and the next one is in Glasgow early August next year, we've just confirmed our booking and hotels so we will be there Heres the link: http://www.interaction.worldcon.org.uk/ Rich From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Tue Sep 7 11:29:18 2004 From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:29:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead Message-ID: Cheers for the info Jon, I'll have to start haunting the record shops again I can see. Mark (Hasbeen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:38:19 +0100 From: Jon Jarrett Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead (was: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk) In summary, from recent Mot?rhead (the last twelve years, style of thing) I;d say _Bastards_ (if you can find it) and _We Are Motorhead_ are the most definitely worth having. Thereafter _Sacrifice_ and either _Overnight Sensation_ or _Hammered_ or even both, and after that, you may as well admit you're going to get them all anyway. Yours, Jon DISCLAIMER: Information contained in this email or any attachment may be of a confidential nature which should not be disclosed to, copied or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you receive this email in error, please delete the email from your computer. Internet communications are not secure and therefore W & J Linney Limited and/or its associated companies does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the W & J Linney Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the W & J Linney Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the W & J Linney Group for operational or business reasons. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 7 11:57:47 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:57:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > _Bastards_ is very good > if you can find it, and I think _We Are Mot?rhead_ is almost the same > consistently good quality as those two, albeit with slightly more retread > material (the cover of `God Save the Queen' and the title track, which is > basically `Ace of Spades' with new words). Thereafter you have to delve > into stuff which has some brilliant moments, but where some of the > material is filler and I think _Sacrifice_ and _Overnight Sensation_ fit > in there, both good though. _Bastards_ is definitely very excellent, though I count _Sacrifice_ as no less so, and think I would actually pick _Overnight Sensation_ over _We Are Motorhead_, but ... > after that, you may > as well admit you're going to get them all anyway. ... which is pretty much true :) Even the "weaker" recent Motorhead albums pretty much kick the ass of much of heavy rock, metal, or whatever. And I say that as someone who was about 4 when Motorhead played its first gigs :) > I don't have _Rock'n'Roll_, _No Sleep At All_, > _March ?r Die_, _Snakebite Love_ or _Inferno_ and so I can't say anything > about those (well, that's never stopped me before but you know what I > mean). _Rock'n'Roll_ is not one of the strongest albums (though the "bacon torpedo" line in "Eat the Rich" has a certain warped charm ;) _No Sleep At All_ is a plausible live album of late '80s Motorhead, with a good selection of songs, and all well done -- though frankly either ye olde _Hammersmith_ or the recent _Everything Louder_ CDs blow it away. _Snake Bite Love_ I would describe as a solid album; definitely some keeper tracks ... "Take the Blame" and "Love for Sale" are pretty cool. I ain't got _Inferno_ yet either, though I guess I should if I'm going to catch the tour in a month or so! I really need to pick up the 25th anniversary DVDs, since they can be had for fairly reasonable prices these days. I've heard Mikkey Dee say he thinks the producers mucked up the drum sound, and I've heard others say the direction is too busy, but I've also heard plenty of folks saying "Woah, this is great! Argh!", which is reasonably encouraging :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Sep 7 12:10:44 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:10:44 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <000d01c49474$b43cb0d0$6701a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:50:42PM -0500, John Majka wrote: > In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would be on keyboards ... which would free up Simon to play violin full time. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 7 14:51:59 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:51:59 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: On the other hand, I really like Harvey's vocal rants! :^) I think he does that more effectively than any HW member has except, of course, Bob. (And he's a pretty good backup singer, although I seem to recall someone mentioning that the excellent backup vocals on 'Live 79' are studio overdubs.) Tim's style these days (judging from the 'Out of the Shadows' DVD) seems to be over-reliant on the sort of "auto-arpegiation" (who would've thought that Duran Duran would be so musically influential!) that seems to be real popular in today's techno/dance/remix music (at least the producer in the studio next door is always doing stuff like that); I think one person on the list referred to it as "virtual guitar" since it almost sounds like picking out the notes of a guitar chord. It can be an effective technique (to some extent, HW pioneered it, or something similar, with stuff like "Forge of Vulcan"), but on every song, it gets tiresome to my ears (and gives validation to accusations of "inteptness" since it really is a one-finger playing technique, but some of my favorite bands/musicians have been utterly inept. Darryl Hooper was one rockin' keyboardist!). Harvey's keyboard technique, like Dave's guitar playing, is hardly advanced, but also like Dave's guitar playing, seems to always work perfectly with Hawkwind-style songs. And he's talented at nagivating both the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal spacerock synth player will do one with each hand, simultaneously), the latter of which seems to have been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe that's just because the sequencers are doing all the work ... these days that job would be best suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500, John Majka wrote: >I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing thing >during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake seem >completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would >be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to the >trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. >John Majka > > > >> Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one >> up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I >> bet he's got loads of material unreleased. >> I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to >> leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants >> though) >> >> Mick >> From zim594j at TNINET.SE Mon Sep 6 15:15:42 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:15:42 +0200 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <20040906191725.24851.qmail@web86209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think we're all waiting for the next album... m?ndagen den 6 september 2004 kl 21.17 skrev Michael Crook: > The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. I > checked the archives in case I was missing posts, but > it really IS quiet. > Is this because not much is happening at the moment or > have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Sep 7 15:17:36 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Keith V. Kniveton) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:17:36 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: And he's talented at nagivating both > the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal spacerock synth player will > do one with each hand, simultaneously), the latter of which seems to have > been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe that's just because the > sequencers are doing all the work ... these days that job would be best > suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). > > -Doug You've got to remember that Tim doesn't actually own any of that EMS gear anymore. But trust me, its gone to a good home :-) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Sep 7 15:31:13 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:31:13 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <001f01c4950f$6de838c0$79a46fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 08:17:36PM +0100, Keith V. Kniveton wrote: > You've got to remember that Tim doesn't actually own any of that EMS gear > anymore. But trust me, its gone to a good home :-) Uhh, a home that will see its continued use with HW from time to time? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 7 15:56:06 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:56:06 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:17:36 +0100, Keith V. Kniveton wrote: > >You've got to remember that Tim doesn't actually own any of that EMS gear >anymore. That's what I thought ... >But trust me, its gone to a good home :-) ... and that's what I was hoping! (A couple years ago, I also communicated with the guy who owns the EMS that went the HW -> Nik -> ICU route.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 7 16:34:34 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:34:34 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: I am amazed that we have got so far through a discussion of the quality of Hawkwind synth wizards before getting to Captain Black. He is up there with Harvey and, in many ways, more suited to the traditional Hawkwind sound. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > On the other hand, I really like Harvey's vocal rants! :^) I think he > does that more effectively than any HW member has except, of course, Bob. > (And he's a pretty good backup singer, although I seem to recall someone > mentioning that the excellent backup vocals on 'Live 79' are studio > overdubs.) > > Tim's style these days (judging from the 'Out of the Shadows' DVD) seems > to be over-reliant on the sort of "auto-arpegiation" (who would've thought > that Duran Duran would be so musically influential!) that seems to be real > popular in today's techno/dance/remix music (at least the producer in the > studio next door is always doing stuff like that); I think one person on > the list referred to it as "virtual guitar" since it almost sounds like > picking out the notes of a guitar chord. It can be an effective technique > (to some extent, HW pioneered it, or something similar, with stuff > like "Forge of Vulcan"), but on every song, it gets tiresome to my ears > (and gives validation to accusations of "inteptness" since it really is a > one-finger playing technique, but some of my favorite bands/musicians have > been utterly inept. Darryl Hooper was one rockin' keyboardist!). > > Harvey's keyboard technique, like Dave's guitar playing, is hardly > advanced, but also like Dave's guitar playing, seems to always work > perfectly with Hawkwind-style songs. And he's talented at nagivating both > the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal spacerock synth player will > do one with each hand, simultaneously), the latter of which seems to have > been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe that's just because the > sequencers are doing all the work ... these days that job would be best > suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500, John Majka wrote: > > >I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing thing > >during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake seem > >completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey would > >be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to the > >trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. > >John Majka > > > > > > > >> Harvey should have a website (or have someone set one > >> up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his CDs. I > >> bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > >> I thought his keyboard playing with HW just prior to > >> leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal rants > >> though) > >> > >> Mick > >> From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 7 16:44:11 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:44:11 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Spot on! Harvey's keys and Daves's guitar worked together really well around '89-90 - Treadmill for example. For me Tim's style is too clean for HW. (Like Huw's lead Guitar) - not enough depth for me. Mick --- Doug Pearson wrote: > > Harvey's keyboard technique, like Dave's guitar > playing, is hardly > advanced, but also like Dave's guitar playing, seems > to always work > perfectly with Hawkwind-style songs. And he's > talented at nagivating both > the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal > spacerock synth player will > do one with each hand, simultaneously), the latter > of which seems to have > been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe that's > just because the > sequencers are doing all the work ... these days > that job would be best > suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500, John Majka > wrote: > > >I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an > absolutely amazing thing > >during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes > Tim Blake seem > >completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy > line-up, Harvey would > >be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, in > addition to the > >trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. > >John Majka > > > > > > > >> Harvey should have a website (or have someone set > one > >> up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his > CDs. I > >> bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > >> I thought his keyboard playing with HW just > prior to > >> leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal > rants > >> though) > >> > >> Mick > >> > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 7 16:52:44 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:52:44 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <004b01c4951a$16249100$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I would really like to hear Captain Black on some HW studio material - any chance in the future. Heh - any chance of hearing ANY new HW studio material in the future?? :) I agree he is perfect for HW, but its a shame he only guests - his contribution really fills out --- Colin J Allen wrote: > I am amazed that we have got so far through a > discussion of the quality of > Hawkwind synth wizards before getting to Captain > Black. He is up there with > Harvey and, in many ways, more suited to the > traditional Hawkwind sound. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Pearson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > > > > On the other hand, I really like Harvey's vocal > rants! :^) I think he > > does that more effectively than any HW member has > except, of course, Bob. > > (And he's a pretty good backup singer, although I > seem to recall someone > > mentioning that the excellent backup vocals on > 'Live 79' are studio > > overdubs.) > > > > Tim's style these days (judging from the 'Out of > the Shadows' DVD) seems > > to be over-reliant on the sort of > "auto-arpegiation" (who would've thought > > that Duran Duran would be so musically > influential!) that seems to be real > > popular in today's techno/dance/remix music (at > least the producer in the > > studio next door is always doing stuff like that); > I think one person on > > the list referred to it as "virtual guitar" since > it almost sounds like > > picking out the notes of a guitar chord. It can > be an effective technique > > (to some extent, HW pioneered it, or something > similar, with stuff > > like "Forge of Vulcan"), but on every song, it > gets tiresome to my ears > > (and gives validation to accusations of > "inteptness" since it really is a > > one-finger playing technique, but some of my > favorite bands/musicians have > > been utterly inept. Darryl Hooper was one rockin' > keyboardist!). > > > > Harvey's keyboard technique, like Dave's guitar > playing, is hardly > > advanced, but also like Dave's guitar playing, > seems to always work > > perfectly with Hawkwind-style songs. And he's > talented at nagivating both > > the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal > spacerock synth player will > > do one with each hand, simultaneously), the latter > of which seems to have > > been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe > that's just because the > > sequencers are doing all the work ... these days > that job would be best > > suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com > > > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500, John Majka > wrote: > > > > >I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an > absolutely amazing thing > > >during his last few years with Hawkwind. He > makes Tim Blake seem > > >completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy > line-up, Harvey would > > >be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, > in addition to the > > >trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. > > >John Majka > > > > > > > > > > > >> Harvey should have a website (or have someone > set one > > >> up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his > CDs. I > > >> bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > > >> I thought his keyboard playing with HW just > prior to > > >> leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his vocal > rants > > >> though) > > >> > > >> Mick > > >> > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 7 17:13:40 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:13:40 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <20040907205244.18555.qmail@web86205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops hit send before I'd finished.... I meant to say his contribution really fills out the sound with the extra dimension which has sometimes been lacking lately. HW need a dedicated synth/keyboard player! Mick --- Michael Crook wrote: > I would really like to hear Captain Black on some HW > studio material - any chance in the future. > Heh - any chance of hearing ANY new HW studio > material > in the future?? :) > I agree he is perfect for HW, but its a shame he > only > guests - his contribution really fills out > > > > > > --- Colin J Allen > wrote: > > I am amazed that we have got so far through a > > discussion of the quality of > > Hawkwind synth wizards before getting to Captain > > Black. He is up there with > > Harvey and, in many ways, more suited to the > > traditional Hawkwind sound. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Pearson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:51 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is > everyone? > > > > > > > On the other hand, I really like Harvey's vocal > > rants! :^) I think he > > > does that more effectively than any HW member > has > > except, of course, Bob. > > > (And he's a pretty good backup singer, although > I > > seem to recall someone > > > mentioning that the excellent backup vocals on > > 'Live 79' are studio > > > overdubs.) > > > > > > Tim's style these days (judging from the 'Out of > > the Shadows' DVD) seems > > > to be over-reliant on the sort of > > "auto-arpegiation" (who would've thought > > > that Duran Duran would be so musically > > influential!) that seems to be real > > > popular in today's techno/dance/remix music (at > > least the producer in the > > > studio next door is always doing stuff like > that); > > I think one person on > > > the list referred to it as "virtual guitar" > since > > it almost sounds like > > > picking out the notes of a guitar chord. It can > > be an effective technique > > > (to some extent, HW pioneered it, or something > > similar, with stuff > > > like "Forge of Vulcan"), but on every song, it > > gets tiresome to my ears > > > (and gives validation to accusations of > > "inteptness" since it really is a > > > one-finger playing technique, but some of my > > favorite bands/musicians have > > > been utterly inept. Darryl Hooper was one > rockin' > > keyboardist!). > > > > > > Harvey's keyboard technique, like Dave's guitar > > playing, is hardly > > > advanced, but also like Dave's guitar playing, > > seems to always work > > > perfectly with Hawkwind-style songs. And he's > > talented at nagivating both > > > the notes/chords and the swooooosh (the ideal > > spacerock synth player will > > > do one with each hand, simultaneously), the > latter > > of which seems to have > > > been not so evident from Tim recently (maybe > > that's just because the > > > sequencers are doing all the work ... these days > > that job would be best > > > suited to capt. Bl at ck, anyway). > > > > > > -Doug > > > jasret at mindspring.com > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:50:42 -0500, John Majka > > wrote: > > > > > > >I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an > > absolutely amazing thing > > > >during his last few years with Hawkwind. He > > makes Tim Blake seem > > > >completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy > > line-up, Harvey would > > > >be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead > guitar, > > in addition to the > > > >trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. > > > >John Majka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Harvey should have a website (or have someone > > set one > > > >> up for him)so he could maybe sell some of his > > CDs. I > > > >> bet he's got loads of material unreleased. > > > >> I thought his keyboard playing with HW just > > prior to > > > >> leaving was amazing (Not crazy about his > vocal > > rants > > > >> though) > > > >> > > > >> Mick > > > >> > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 7 17:27:25 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:27:25 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:13:40 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= wrote: >I meant to say his contribution really fills out the >sound with the extra dimension which has sometimes >been lacking lately. HW need a dedicated >synth/keyboard player! > >Mick DEFINITELY agreed! The crazy thing is that we've been saying this here for EIGHT years now! http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9606D&L=BOC-L&P=R6022&I=-3 (good time to post this with Carl back on board ...) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 7 20:18:21 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:18:21 EDT Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2004 4:33:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: I am amazed that we have got so far through a discussion of the quality of Hawkwind synth wizards before getting to Captain Black. He is up there with Harvey and, in many ways, more suited to the traditional Hawkwind so To these untrained ears he's much better then Harvey...although, Harvey as a soloist is so very coooool. I like him much better on his own then with the Hawks( also uncle Nik)! Also: Nektar is at BB Kings, NYC Sept 11/wth CARAVAN..I'll show where to smoke a bone! MONSTER MAGNET is at Bowery Ballroom NYC on Sept 17th.I'll cube ya! Nik Turner is at Tonic in NYC on Oct 1st..pick me out of the crowd and I'll buy ya a drink!! Also: Motorhead is at BB Kings, NYC, on Oct 8th..I'll buy ya nothing! Buy some tickets or we will never see the likes of them again!! Best Bill From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 7 21:24:45 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:24:45 EDT Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/2004 2:30:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: The list seems very quiet HW-wise at the moment. I checked the archives in case I was missing posts, but it really IS quiet. Is this because not much is happening at the moment or have members drifted off to another list (Yahoo?) I'm still here, but I just picked up my 'Star Trek: The Original Series Season One' DVD set today, so . . . Joe From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 8 05:05:26 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:05:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Germany again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > I just took a brief look at: > http://www.eclipsed.de/tourdaten/tourdaten.html > and it doesn't look like much interesting is happening...but I'll keep > a lookout. BTW, do you mean end of *August*? If you can get to the area > between Ulm and Bodensee (far south in Germany) by next weekend, 20-22.8, > there is a small festival from the Faust (Klangbad label) folks, including > Circle, Ole Lukkoye, and a freak-electronic band called S/T, among others. > www.klangbad.de for details. I *might* make it there. Am I remembering right from old Freak Emporium catalogues that S/T's first release was called _Catatonic Airkraut_? I've always wondered what they were like just on the basis of that splendid title, but my money ran out before the Freak Emporium's stock did... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 8 05:15:57 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:15:57 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:13:40 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= > wrote: >>I meant to say his contribution really fills out the >>sound with the extra dimension which has sometimes >>been lacking lately. HW need a dedicated >>synth/keyboard player! > > DEFINITELY agreed! > The crazy thing is that we've been saying this here for EIGHT years now! > http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9606D&L=BOC-L&P=R6022&I=-3 > (good time to post this with Carl back on board ...) Shoot, did I write all that? Man, '96 ... well, anyway, I sure can't argue with myself! (Especially since I appear to be right :) Yeah, they need a proper synth dude who can handle, as Doug so cogently pointed out, both the cunning keyboardy things with one hand and the swooshy noises with the other. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 8 11:35:13 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:35:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Bandits and stuff Message-ID: I found an old pirated cassette of Space Bandits the other day so I listened to it in what must've been the first time in ten or twelve years. I'd forgotten how *good* it is. It was always in my top three Hawks releases, I'd just forgotten. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Sep 8 13:55:44 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:55:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of Warrior are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. Bernhard? Rich From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Sep 8 14:12:48 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:12:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Tim Blake 4 Days of Crystal Machine Gigs - Paris January Message-ID: (Copied from the Forum at Planetgong.co.uk) Crystal Machine inc Subject: "TIM Blake in Paris " January 2005 Proposed 4 day Concert Message: ? Reply ? Edit As no one seems to be able to 'Bring me over' to play for You in 'ole Albion' It's been suggested that I perform for 4 days in a nice small theatre in Paris ( like in the old Crystal Machine days) from the 13th through to the 16th. This also could be a live recording oppourtunity. AS A MARKET RESEARCH any one interested should be kind enough to express their interest by Mail. Possibly the Sunday concert would be a Matin?e , allowing EuroStars back to London etc moonweed at free.fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- Lets hope it comes off, that would be fantastic... Rich From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Sep 8 14:16:43 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:16:43 +0200 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rich They both have the same track selection Back-Covers are different The Griffin one has the "Shield-Fold-Out" fron sleeve, the DOJO one just a simple fold-out One of the CD's was made from the original tape, the other one from the LP I suppose the Griffin one was made from the LP. But maybe I'm wrong Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of Warrior are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. Bernhard? Rich From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 8 12:10:45 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:10:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: not music related Message-ID: A Norweigan rock magazine asked a large number of rock/metal musicians this question: What's your opinion on the rising tide of the Anti-American feeling around the world and which would be the reason for this? You may spot some people you know. http://www.imhotepzine.com/anti_american/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Sep 8 15:54:58 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:54:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have both discs, just played them in parallel (2 CD players, cued 'em up, switching between sources on the amp) and they are absolutely identical. Now what *does* sound different is the two *demo* versions of Motorhead. I compared the Flicknife version - I was using the Mighty HW Classics CD - with the later Anthology version - using the Anthology Vol II CD. Apart from the obvious edits (the Flicknife version has the engineer confirming that the tape is "rolling" at the beginning, Anthology doesn't, Anthology fades at the end, Flicknife doesn't), the sound on the Flicknife version is poor compared to the Anthology version. If they're both taken from the source tape, squirrelled away by Brock in '75 soon after it was recorded, then why do they sound so different? Maybe it's the transfer to CD, must try comparing to the vinyl versions. Or maybe I should just get a life. Anyway, the difference is particularly evident on the synth solo, where it's very distorted on the Flicknife version. And btw, don't tell me those synths are '75, they've got to be overdubbed. C'mon Doug P, chip in here... ;-) But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? AL --- Rich wrote: > I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of > Warrior > are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. > The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. > > Bernhard? > > > Rich ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 8 16:42:44 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:42:44 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: they are both the same track they sound like they were mastered off vinyl cos i am sure i can hear a few cracks and pops at the start of the song colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > Hi Rich > > They both have the same track selection > > Back-Covers are different > > The Griffin one has the "Shield-Fold-Out" fron sleeve, the DOJO one just > a simple fold-out > > > One of the CD's was made from the original tape, the other one from the > LP > I suppose the Griffin one was made from the LP. But maybe I'm wrong > > > Cheers > Bernhard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:56 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > > > I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of > Warrior are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. > The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. > > Bernhard? > > > Rich > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Sep 8 17:57:39 2004 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:57:39 -0400 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: <002401c495cf$fea32490$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: At the time, it was stated (here most likely) that the Dojo was from Brian Tawn's LP and the Griffin was from the original tapes. Chris R. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of bernhard.pospiech Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:17 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Hi Rich They both have the same track selection Back-Covers are different The Griffin one has the "Shield-Fold-Out" fron sleeve, the DOJO one just a simple fold-out One of the CD's was made from the original tape, the other one from the LP I suppose the Griffin one was made from the LP. But maybe I'm wrong Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of Warrior are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. Bernhard? Rich From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 8 18:42:42 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:42:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:54:58 +0100, Alan Linsley wrote: >Now what *does* sound different is the two *demo* versions of >Motorhead. I compared the Flicknife version - I was using the Mighty >HW Classics CD - with the later Anthology version - using the Anthology >Vol II CD. Apart from the obvious edits (the Flicknife version has the >engineer confirming that the tape is "rolling" at the beginning, >Anthology doesn't, Anthology fades at the end, Flicknife doesn't), the >sound on the Flicknife version is poor compared to the Anthology >version. If they're both taken from the source tape, squirrelled away >by Brock in '75 soon after it was recorded, then why do they sound so >different? Maybe it's the transfer to CD, must try comparing to the >vinyl versions. Or maybe I should just get a life. Anyway, the >difference is particularly evident on the synth solo, where it's very >distorted on the Flicknife version. These discrepencies could be accounted for by different editing/mastering of the same version of the song. For instance, the Flicknife material on the Cleopatra 'Golden Void' release was heavily compressed at remastering, while the same material on Anagram (?) was left relatively untouched at mastering. >And btw, don't tell me those >synths are '75, they've got to be overdubbed. C'mon Doug P, chip in >here... ;-) I, too, am quite certain the synth noises are overdubbed. They sound much more like an MS-20 (which Dave was using in the early 80s, when this version of "Motorhead" was released) than EMS Synthi (which would certainly have been used on the original recording in '75). >But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" >that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take >off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? OK, I'll have to go back and compare these. This might be evidence that the two versions are different *mixes* (where the "yo" was on a track with nothing else on it, and Dave forgot to turn the track down when doing that mix). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Sep 9 03:50:05 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:50:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Bandits and stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chris, Well maybe its time for me to dig it out also, I never cared for it too much back in the day. Maybe with the mellowing of the ears, & the need to hear some fresh Hawkwind, maybe i'll like it... Hopefully it will tied me over till the New LP comes out. Regards Iain Iain ------------- original ------- Chris Allen wrote on 9/8/2004, 4:35 PM: > I found an old pirated cassette of Space Bandits the other day so I > listened > to it in what must've been the first time in ten or twelve years. > I'd forgotten how *good* it is. It was always in my top three Hawks > releases, I'd just forgotten. > From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Sep 9 03:59:19 2004 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:59:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Bandits and stuff Message-ID: Always had a soft spot for SB myself, but then I came to HW via the heavy rock route, so maybe it appeals to those who prefer that element of HW. Good to see 'Out of the Shadows' back in the live set list Cheers Neil. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 9 04:30:01 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:30:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Bandits and stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil Shilladay wrote: > Good to see 'Out of the Shadows' back in the live set list IMO, "Out of the Shadows" generally sounds a lot better live than on the studio _SB_ version. (In fact, "OotS" generally sounds _storming_ live, especially when there's enough crazed Brockoid geetar). I find the mixes on _SB_ don't quite do it for me ... too busy? too compressed? Something .... I thought "Images" on that album was pretty good, though. The other tracks that I've heard live, I like better live :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 9 05:12:05 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:12:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: The obvious differences I know of is the Griffin CD version I have obviously has Lemmy singing and the Anthology has Dave (doing it better in my opinion). I believe they are same but it mentioned in Ian's book that Dave did the original vocals in the studio and that was released on Flicknife later but Lemmy's one went out still after he recorded it at the Hyatt Hotel with Allan Powell? The difference I noticed is not only the rolling bit in the Dave one, but the Anthology seems to have cleaned it up for disc as you don't get the bit of guitar feedback you get on the vinyl 7 and 12" versions. OFF: BTW the band were commenting at the stage of the book I am at that it is difficult to get a full sound as a 3 piece. Rush seem to have mastered this as they did a very good 3 hour set at Wembley last night. They even sneaked in a Who number, Eddie Cochran and a few chords of Day Tripper. In my opinion the tightest live performance I have seen since seeing Pink Floyd a few years ago. Eddie. >From: Alan Linsley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:54:58 +0100 > >I have both discs, just played them in parallel (2 CD players, cued 'em >up, switching between sources on the amp) and they are absolutely >identical. > >Now what *does* sound different is the two *demo* versions of >Motorhead. I compared the Flicknife version - I was using the Mighty >HW Classics CD - with the later Anthology version - using the Anthology >Vol II CD. Apart from the obvious edits (the Flicknife version has the >engineer confirming that the tape is "rolling" at the beginning, >Anthology doesn't, Anthology fades at the end, Flicknife doesn't), the >sound on the Flicknife version is poor compared to the Anthology >version. If they're both taken from the source tape, squirrelled away >by Brock in '75 soon after it was recorded, then why do they sound so >different? Maybe it's the transfer to CD, must try comparing to the >vinyl versions. Or maybe I should just get a life. Anyway, the >difference is particularly evident on the synth solo, where it's very >distorted on the Flicknife version. And btw, don't tell me those >synths are '75, they've got to be overdubbed. C'mon Doug P, chip in >here... ;-) > >But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" >that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take >off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? > >AL > --- Rich wrote: > > I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of > > Warrior > > are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. > > The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. > > > > Bernhard? > > > > > > Rich > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! >Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://ejdvillas.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 9 05:45:26 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:45:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: eddie jobson wrote: > OFF: BTW the band were commenting at the stage of the book I am at that it > is difficult to get a full sound as a 3 piece. Rush seem to have mastered > this as they did a very good 3 hour set at Wembley last night. Hmmm, yes, Rush, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Mountain (in the sans keys configuration), Led Zeppelin, Gov't Mule (in the Woody days), Black Sabbath (albeit with occasional stealth keys live) .... all essentially three-piece bands and, as I'm sure everyone is aware, famous for failing to produce a full sound .... ... or not ;) But, agreed, it is _easier_ with an extra instrument or two -- and most of the artists I name check there at least toy(ed) with added keys players -- though then the money has to be split more ways ;) Yet surely the ideal line-up for HW is guitar/bass/drums/violin/audio generators? That covers pretty much everything, I think. (I'm not counting sax, since putting Nik and Dave together is like cats and dogs, really :) Failing the violin, and keyboardist would do there, especially if they could handle audio generator duties as well (thus reducing the need to split the money into an extra share :) IMO, HW don't need a "front man". Whether he likes it or not, all the punters consider Dave the "front man", so he might as well stand where people can see him and get in some singing and guitar slashing. Alan can manage extra vocal duties well enough (especially when he isn't trying to emulate Lemmy's voice ...). Shoot, how hard can it be to be Hawkwind on stage, really? If a bunch of drug-crazed freaks could manage it that well 30 years ago, surely it must be possible to pull off today? Cheers, Carl, who just received _Monolithic Baby_ at long last and is looking forward to putting it through its paces :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 9 07:10:01 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:10:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Germany again... Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:05:26 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Am I remembering right from old Freak Emporium catalogues that >S/T's first release was called _Catatonic Airkraut_? I've always wondered >what they were like just on the basis of that splendid title There's an entire S/T concert available for free download at http://www.faust-pages.com/st.durmentingen.download.html Includes a cover of "Silver Machine" incidentally. Quality is a bit bootleggy, but listenable enough. I think they're an excellent band. They have a rather nifty website at http://www.get-happy-records.com/st.htm which also has more MP3s. Nick From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 9 12:29:15 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:29:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:55:44 -0500, Rich wrote: >I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of Warrior >are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. >The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. Both Motorheads sound the same to me, but Kings of Speed definitely is 2 different edits. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 9 12:37:49 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:37:49 -0400 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:57:39 -0400, Chris Raymond wrote: >At the time, it was stated (here most likely) that the Dojo was from Brian >Tawn's LP and the Griffin was from the original tapes. >Chris R. But the Griffin was from the US master tapes, not the UK ones, right? Which accounted for the different edit of KoS? Not sure anymore. Stephan From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Sep 9 13:12:11 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Keith V. Kniveton) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:12:11 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: Might have been taken from the 7" mix, which has a shorter instrumental break. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Forstner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:57:39 -0400, Chris Raymond wrote: > >At the time, it was stated (here most likely) that the Dojo was from Brian > >Tawn's LP and the Griffin was from the original tapes. > >Chris R. > > But the Griffin was from the US master tapes, not the UK ones, right? Which > accounted for the different edit of KoS? Not sure anymore. > > Stephan From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Sep 9 13:13:03 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Keith V. Kniveton) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:13:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: So how were Rush? I've got a free ticket to go and see them at the NEC on Saturday, be good to know what to expect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > The obvious differences I know of is the Griffin CD version I have obviously > has Lemmy singing and the Anthology has Dave (doing it better in my > opinion). I believe they are same but it mentioned in Ian's book that Dave > did the original vocals in the studio and that was released on Flicknife > later but Lemmy's one went out still after he recorded it at the Hyatt Hotel > with Allan Powell? The difference I noticed is not only the rolling bit in > the Dave one, but the Anthology seems to have cleaned it up for disc as you > don't get the bit of guitar feedback you get on the vinyl 7 and 12" > versions. > > OFF: BTW the band were commenting at the stage of the book I am at that it > is difficult to get a full sound as a 3 piece. Rush seem to have mastered > this as they did a very good 3 hour set at Wembley last night. They even > sneaked in a Who number, Eddie Cochran and a few chords of Day Tripper. In > my opinion the tightest live performance I have seen since seeing Pink Floyd > a few years ago. > > Eddie. > > > >From: Alan Linsley > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:54:58 +0100 > > > >I have both discs, just played them in parallel (2 CD players, cued 'em > >up, switching between sources on the amp) and they are absolutely > >identical. > > > >Now what *does* sound different is the two *demo* versions of > >Motorhead. I compared the Flicknife version - I was using the Mighty > >HW Classics CD - with the later Anthology version - using the Anthology > >Vol II CD. Apart from the obvious edits (the Flicknife version has the > >engineer confirming that the tape is "rolling" at the beginning, > >Anthology doesn't, Anthology fades at the end, Flicknife doesn't), the > >sound on the Flicknife version is poor compared to the Anthology > >version. If they're both taken from the source tape, squirrelled away > >by Brock in '75 soon after it was recorded, then why do they sound so > >different? Maybe it's the transfer to CD, must try comparing to the > >vinyl versions. Or maybe I should just get a life. Anyway, the > >difference is particularly evident on the synth solo, where it's very > >distorted on the Flicknife version. And btw, don't tell me those > >synths are '75, they've got to be overdubbed. C'mon Doug P, chip in > >here... ;-) > > > >But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" > >that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take > >off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? > > > >AL > > --- Rich wrote: > > > I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of > > > Warrior > > > are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. > > > The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. > > > > > > Bernhard? > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! > >Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? > http://ejdvillas.com From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 9 13:13:53 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:53 -0500 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Griffin CD was definately taken from the ATCO copy of the master tapes. Maybe I was smoking something when I got told it was a different edit of Motorhead, and not a different edit of KoS By the way did my post about Rob Godwin get to the list? Arin said she didn't get a copy so it may not have got through! Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephan Forstner Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:38 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:57:39 -0400, Chris Raymond wrote: >At the time, it was stated (here most likely) that the Dojo was from Brian >Tawn's LP and the Griffin was from the original tapes. >Chris R. But the Griffin was from the US master tapes, not the UK ones, right? Which accounted for the different edit of KoS? Not sure anymore. Stephan From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 9 13:16:44 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:16:44 -0500 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: <005d01c49690$25844920$01a86fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: I guess we'll just have to invest in that Griffin copy of Warrior to find out. Hang on and I'll mortgage the flat...and hope it's not the mispress.. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Keith V. Kniveton Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Might have been taken from the 7" mix, which has a shorter instrumental break. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 9 16:14:36 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Monarchs of Motorization) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:14:36 -0400 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:12:11 +0100, Keith V. Kniveton wrote, regarding the different edits of Kings of Speed: >Might have been taken from the 7" mix, which has a shorter instrumental >break. Yep, one of the 2 did have a shorter instrumental break, but I think they were almost the same total length so the difference had to have been made up somewhere else. I remember doing a back-to-back comparision and concluding they were identical until near the end of the (shorter) break, but after that I couldn't figure out how to resynch them. Maybe the final verses and/or choruses were rearranged. Sounds like a project for the next time I have a few free hours. This is the Age of the Minutiae Man... Stephan From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Sep 9 16:44:13 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:44:13 +0100 Subject: Calvert documentary. In-Reply-To: <7C28FAA1-FB91-11D8-BD70-000A959BC38E@imrryr.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Where did you hear about this? I seem to remember that Mission Control mentioned a 'proposed' documentry but I recall that being by the BBC. Also wasn't there some filming done of the band in Morrocco some time ago- what was all that about?? Talking of Mission Control, it doesn't seem to get updated much nowadays - Starfarer's is the site to go to for news!! Mick --- Paul Eaton-Jones wrote: > Does anyone one the list know how the proposed > Channel 4 documentary on > Bob Calvert (apparently expanded to include > Hawkwind) is progressing? > Paul. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > This email and all attachments have been scanned by > Kingston Communications' > email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were > detected. > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Thu Sep 9 17:14:10 2004 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:14:10 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <413ECDCD.1040903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Agreed entirely the HW live sound benefits from a full time synth chap as well as a dedicated guitar whiz leaving the Baron to work his magic as needed on guitar (yes) or keys as necessary Don't I remember reading somewhere that the band had a deal with SPV whatever happened to that? I take the promised autumn tour has gone the same way has the single release I really want to buy Angela Android -- From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 9 17:52:07 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:22:07 +0930 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: psssssss - how about an inflatable Ingrid?? cheap..... seriously tho - looking forward to the release with great anticipation - and also some updates to Mission Control. Bless riks little angora woollen socks that he knitted himself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Coulthard" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: Re: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? > Agreed entirely the HW live sound benefits from a full time synth chap > as well as a dedicated guitar whiz leaving the Baron to work his magic > as needed on guitar (yes) or keys as necessary > Don't I remember reading somewhere that the band had a deal with SPV > whatever happened to that? I take the promised autumn tour has gone the > same way has the single release I really want to buy Angela Android > > > -- > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 9 18:49:46 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:49:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: Very good a mixture of old new and even a few covers. Worth the journey. Eddie. >From: "Keith V. Kniveton" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:13:03 +0100 > >So how were Rush? > >I've got a free ticket to go and see them at the NEC on Saturday, be good >to >know what to expect. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie jobson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:12 AM >Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > > > > The obvious differences I know of is the Griffin CD version I have >obviously > > has Lemmy singing and the Anthology has Dave (doing it better in my > > opinion). I believe they are same but it mentioned in Ian's book that >Dave > > did the original vocals in the studio and that was released on Flicknife > > later but Lemmy's one went out still after he recorded it at the Hyatt >Hotel > > with Allan Powell? The difference I noticed is not only the rolling bit >in > > the Dave one, but the Anthology seems to have cleaned it up for disc as >you > > don't get the bit of guitar feedback you get on the vinyl 7 and 12" > > versions. > > > > OFF: BTW the band were commenting at the stage of the book I am at that >it > > is difficult to get a full sound as a 3 piece. Rush seem to have >mastered > > this as they did a very good 3 hour set at Wembley last night. They even > > sneaked in a Who number, Eddie Cochran and a few chords of Day Tripper. >In > > my opinion the tightest live performance I have seen since seeing Pink >Floyd > > a few years ago. > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > >From: Alan Linsley > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > > >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:54:58 +0100 > > > > > >I have both discs, just played them in parallel (2 CD players, cued 'em > > >up, switching between sources on the amp) and they are absolutely > > >identical. > > > > > >Now what *does* sound different is the two *demo* versions of > > >Motorhead. I compared the Flicknife version - I was using the Mighty > > >HW Classics CD - with the later Anthology version - using the Anthology > > >Vol II CD. Apart from the obvious edits (the Flicknife version has the > > >engineer confirming that the tape is "rolling" at the beginning, > > >Anthology doesn't, Anthology fades at the end, Flicknife doesn't), the > > >sound on the Flicknife version is poor compared to the Anthology > > >version. If they're both taken from the source tape, squirrelled away > > >by Brock in '75 soon after it was recorded, then why do they sound so > > >different? Maybe it's the transfer to CD, must try comparing to the > > >vinyl versions. Or maybe I should just get a life. Anyway, the > > >difference is particularly evident on the synth solo, where it's very > > >distorted on the Flicknife version. And btw, don't tell me those > > >synths are '75, they've got to be overdubbed. C'mon Doug P, chip in > > >here... ;-) > > > > > >But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" > > >that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take > > >off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? > > > > > >AL > > > --- Rich wrote: > > > > I heard that the mixes of Motorhead on the Dojo and Griffin CDs of > > > > Warrior > > > > are slightly different, can anyone with both CDs confirm this. > > > > The Codex doesn't mention an alternate. > > > > > > > > Bernhard? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW >Yahoo! > > >Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? > > http://ejdvillas.com Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://ejdvillas.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 04:16:18 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:16:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: <006301c49690$4459a840$01a86fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: Keith V. Kniveton wrote: > So how were Rush? > I've got a free ticket to go and see them at the NEC on Saturday, be good to > know what to expect. There's a review of a recent show on jambase.com: Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 10 04:16:17 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:16:17 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi In-Reply-To: <002001c48497$893e34e0$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > LOL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:01 PM > Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > I thught we'd have had an email about this. Can I order one yet? Surely that was my line... But I've just been to look at The Official Hawkwind Website for the first time in ages and discover that only thing that seems to have changed since July is one small notice that probably explains Colin's remark. So, to judge from the website which is after all our only Official Source, the single will be out last month, and will have been having heavy airplay, the album's out this month, Arthur Brown is still working with Hawkwind, and all's well with the world, and really what more assurance do we need. Tell you what, next year we can celebrate the 9th birthday of _Distant Horizons_ and if we can just get Dave announcing the new tracks with "this is from our new album, which is coming out next year", we'll all know where we are from long BOC experience. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 04:18:18 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:18:18 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rich wrote: > I guess we'll just have to invest in that Griffin copy of Warrior to find > out. Hang on and I'll mortgage the flat...and hope it's not the mispress.. Is it really that valuable these days? I own both, I'm sure, but I've only got one of them on this side of the Atlantic and I can't remember which one. I'll have to check. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 04:20:51 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:20:51 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > So, to judge from the website which is after all our only Official > Source, the single will be out last month, and will have been having > heavy airplay, the album's out this month, Arthur Brown is still working > with Hawkwind, and all's well with the world, and really what more > assurance do we need. Oops! Once again, I seem to have missed the turn-off for the dimension in which Hawkwind have their heads screwed on ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 10 04:34:55 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:34:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: <40ED16AC00010749@eeyor.london.ongenie.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK wrote: > A bit of musical variety is called for these days while waiting for the > old favourites to produce some new output. So... > System of A Down - to fill those really HEAVY moments The Music - to add > the 70's freak-out vibe The Coral - for the 60's psyche tinged pop vibe > Foo Fighters - for the fun rock and the neat videos And King's X - for the > hell of it. Even the new bands I, as one of the list's official young people (ha!) a few years back, was then into seem to have ground to a halt over the last couple of years, but from my slightly time-warped perspective of what's still happening I agree about System of a Down, genuinely competent and intelligent metal, though I really couldn't tell you hat sub-gnre of metal they most readily fit into, and by intelligent I don't mean math-rock, I mean it means something and has content. Not just for it being packed with theological allusions, but while we're on bands who pack their stuff with theological allusions, CLUTCH are still alive and functional and still hitting the mark. The newest album _Blast Tyrant_ took a long time to come out but has been worth the wait. I don't rate Foo Fighters myself, but maybe I just haven't heard the good stuff. I'd back Queens of the Stone Age against them for the MTV2-friendly end of things, but now that QotSA are working without Nick Oliveri *or* Dave Grohl I think their tiem may be over. Other high-quality bands in varying genres: in space-rock, well, currently it seems to me that there is only Litmus, but that one makes up for a lot more. I thoroughly recommend _You Are Here_ to anyone who ever liked _Space Ritual_ or _Quark, Strangeness ancd Charm_, without implying that it clones these albums because it doesn't. Around the worryingly- close-to-goth alternative rock, Queen Adreena are maybe principally a live experience but the first album has a considerable flavour of Tori Amos gone childish and bad about it. Second is more metal and less subtle, the third is (again) not out yet after some delays. Who else? Acid Mothers Temple, another wave that seems to be ebbing. The Bevis Frond still going, just about, does anyone know what the new one's like yet? The Ozrics are still alive but too skint to do anything, especially publicise their gigs which is a vicious circle. I don't have trouble finding gigs I can't manage to go to yet, at least. But yeah, even I begin to worry that the new bands aren't coming up like they used to. I'm in the wrong place to be seeing it though because Cambridge's music scene is dead as Dawson and Crick. > BUT, for a tune, nobody can beat Ken Dodd. Surely you mean Goerge Formby? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Fri Sep 10 04:38:42 2004 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:38:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons (was New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi) Message-ID: Jon wrote : "Tell you what, next year we can celebrate the 9th birthday of _Distant Horizons_ and if we can just get Dave announcing the new tracks with "this is from our new album, which is coming out next year", we'll all know where we are from long BOC experience." While I fully sympathise with Jon's frustration at lack of new album, my copy of DH shows it being recorded Jan - July '97, a full year after it was released. Maybe HW are being cautious this time, so as not to repeat this oversight :o) Neil. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 04:38:55 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:38:55 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <000a01c496b1$f357c590$ea802bd9@your259es00orx> Message-ID: Brian Coulthard wrote: > Agreed entirely the HW live sound benefits from a full time synth chap > as well as a dedicated guitar whiz leaving the Baron to work his magic > as needed on guitar (yes) or keys as necessary Mmm, as long as we're debating the relative merits of various HW configurations, I would slightly disagree here. While I enjoy the stuff with Huw (the stuff written with/by Huw, certainly), it does sound to me like a rather different kind of HW than what I consider "optimum Hawkwind" (which is centered around a _Space Ritual_/_Mountain Grill_ sort of vibe). For me, Huw sounds good on the Huwish songs, but otherwise I really prefer hearing Brock chugging and wahing away. And, IMO, Dave should be _strictly_ forbidden from tinkering with the synths, since left to his own devices (so to speak) he's very capable of climbing right up inside his very own digital butt and producing tracks that -- let's not pull any punches here -- make Pet Shop Boys remixes sound organic and rocking in comparison ;) This is why I like the idea of the sax, violin, or even keyboard synth rather than another guitar. A non-guitar second lead offers a wider tonal pallette, and if Dave takes off into screaming lead territory ("give us this day our daily blanga"), violin vamping or the like can very effectively thicken up the underlying sound (or, indeed, trade off licks with the guitar, though that's starting to sound a bit too _collaborative_ for Hawkwind ;) > Don't I remember reading somewhere that the band had a deal with SPV > whatever happened to that? Possibly the same place as Alan's long mumbled-about "EMI Germany" deal for Bedouin. SPV would be a good home for Hawkwind, though. SPV also handle Motorhead, Type O Negative, Monster Magnet, Fu Manchu ... and probably an arseload more rockin' bands that I've forgotten or not heard of :) Maybe the label would have some leverage on the album production ("More guitar! More Guitar! Turn it up! "Upside Down"! etc.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 04:52:05 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:52:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > I don't rate Foo Fighters myself, but maybe I just haven't heard > the good stuff. I'd back Queens of the Stone Age against them for the > MTV2-friendly end of things, but now that QotSA are working without Nick > Oliveri *or* Dave Grohl I think their tiem may be over. I never found either QotSA or the Foo Fighters fully satisfying. I mean, the Foos particularly have occasionally turned out well-crafted little pop-rock numbers -- I'll snap fingers whilst humming along to "Times Like These" with the best of 'em -- I've never warmed to either band's output as a whole. They just never seemed like enough _fun_. Both QotSA and the Foos seemed to benefit from Grohl's association with the former, but now ..... eh, there's not so much to lose, IMO. > But yeah, even I begin to worry that the new bands aren't coming > up like they used to. I'm in the wrong place to be seeing it though > because Cambridge's music scene is dead as Dawson and Crick. Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a no-frills spacerock band? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 10 06:09:51 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:09:51 -0400 Subject: Calvert documentary. Message-ID: Nobody went to Morocco. Everyone was at home. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 10 06:13:18 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:13:18 -0400 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? Message-ID: There never was an SPV deal. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Sep 10 06:13:48 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:13:48 +0100 Subject: Calvert documentary. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mmmmmmm, Makes you wonder why the Bristol Gig was cancelled after-all then Regards iain Colin J Allen wrote on 9/10/2004, 11:09 AM: > Nobody went to Morocco. Everyone was at home. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 07:34:46 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:34:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! Message-ID: http://www.imotorhead.com/news.htm But perhaps the UK dates are still going forward ... no clear indication yet, I think. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Sep 10 08:10:42 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:10:42 -0500 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: <4141634A.1080405@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Look at the CD prices on ebay for Warrior, the US Griffin release is worth more because it's from the masters and not mastered from the vinyl, but the Dojo UK release is also selling for big money. The other CDs going for big money are: Quark Strangeness and Charm PXR5 Hawklords 25 Years Love in Space Live (2CD) Astounding Sounds and there are more heading that way: Levitation (Griffin Version with Nuclear Toy Bonus Track) Once the albums are reissued hopefully values will drop again. I'm sure the band will be trying to get these back out again, but these things take time. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:18 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Rich wrote: > I guess we'll just have to invest in that Griffin copy of Warrior to find > out. Hang on and I'll mortgage the flat...and hope it's not the mispress.. Is it really that valuable these days? I own both, I'm sure, but I've only got one of them on this side of the Atlantic and I can't remember which one. I'll have to check. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 10 08:19:41 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:19:41 -0400 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: The sad fact is that there are probably too many "interested parties" around for any of these to be released in the near future. Many of these "interested parties" have too much history with each other and are, to be frank, too stubborn and stupid to realise that they would all benefit if the albums were re-released with a sensible contract. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 10 08:48:46 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:48:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > The Bevis Frond still going, > just about, does anyone know what the new one's like yet? I wrote a review of it here: http://www.acidattackmusic.co.uk/ Basically, it's their best album of the post-Superseeder era. It's full band along with Ade Shaw, Paul Simmons of the Alchemysts on occasional leads and new drummer Jules Fenton, who is truly amazing. The song "Through the Hedge" is a nice return to the sound of Miasma or Inner Marshland, albeit better produced. Brian From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 08:52:04 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:52:04 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Colin J Allen wrote: > The sad fact is that there are probably too many "interested parties" > around for any of these to be released in the near future. Many of > these "interested parties" have too much history with each other and are, > to be frank, too stubborn and stupid to realise that they would all benefit > if the albums were re-released with a sensible contract. Ah, artists! Never work with people who think they're "artists", that's my motto ;) Too many egos invested in too little capital .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 08:57:49 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:57:49 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rich wrote: > Look at the CD prices on ebay for Warrior, the US Griffin release is worth > more because it's from the masters and not mastered from the vinyl, but the > Dojo UK release is also selling for big money. Sheesh, 46 quid and counting for Warrior, and that's just the Dojo version. Astounding .... Strangely, the copy of _Family Tree_ I've been trying to flog off via Amazon hasn't attracted as much frenzy ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Sep 10 09:07:46 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:37:46 +0930 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question/quack Message-ID: I've got a spare Virgin CD release of Quark Strangeness und Charm but I will only trade for something mighty good. Like a griffin Warrior on the edge of time or Hawklords or astounding sounds or Love in Space only on cd or your hot sister depending on the age and condition of said sister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > Look at the CD prices on ebay for Warrior, the US Griffin release is worth > more because it's from the masters and not mastered from the vinyl, but the > Dojo UK release is also selling for big money. > > The other CDs going for big money are: > > Quark Strangeness and Charm > PXR5 > Hawklords 25 Years > Love in Space Live (2CD) > Astounding Sounds > > and there are more heading that way: > > Levitation (Griffin Version with Nuclear Toy Bonus Track) > > > Once the albums are reissued hopefully values will drop again. I'm sure the > band will be trying to get these back out again, but these things take time. > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:18 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > > > Rich wrote: > > I guess we'll just have to invest in that Griffin copy of Warrior to find > > out. Hang on and I'll mortgage the flat...and hope it's not the mispress.. > > Is it really that valuable these days? I own both, I'm sure, but I've > only got one of them on this side of the Atlantic and I can't remember > which one. I'll have to check. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From jonathan at ATT.NET Fri Sep 10 09:50:50 2004 From: jonathan at ATT.NET (Jonathan Clark) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:50:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush 35th anniversary tour concert In-Reply-To: <200409100900.i8A8GJOr000697@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Eddie Jobson wrote: > OFF: BTW the band were commenting at the stage of the book I am at that it > is difficult to get a full sound as a 3 piece. Rush seem to have mastered > this as they did a very good 3 hour set at Wembley last night. They even > sneaked in a Who number, Eddie Cochran and a few chords of Day Tripper. In > my opinion the tightest live performance I have seen since seeing Pink Floyd > a few years ago. I saw Rush a month or so back in New Jersey and I agree - they were really tight, with a very full sound. Of course, Neil Peart could be counted as two instruments on his own, and for much of the concert Geddy Lee was playing bass (or keyboards), bass pedals and voice all at the same time. It was a really good concert - they played 4 or so tracks off Feedback (their new album of cover versions), and a lot of old stuff. Staging was great too - lasers, videos, an amusing video intro/outro (side note, I like that they don't take themselves too seriously), and they were flying the lighting trusses around during the performance for a new (to me) twist. And what looked like a wrap-around bank of LED lights - anyone know what these are? Question about the sound: for this tour (and the last one) they have a couple of clothes dryers set up on stage, tumbling away (they throw the T-shirts in them to the crowd during the gig). But these are miked up - they have stand mikes set up in front of them. Anyone know if these are just a fake, or if they are using the sound for something? Pink noise generator, maybe? Jonathan From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Sep 10 10:08:40 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:08:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush 35th anniversary tour concert In-Reply-To: <4141B13A.6020805@att.net> Message-ID: Quoting Jonathan Clark : > Question about the sound: for this tour (and the last one) they have > a couple of clothes dryers set up on stage, tumbling away (they throw > the T-shirts in them to the crowd during the gig). But these are > miked up - they have stand mikes set up in front of them. Anyone > know if these are just a fake, or if they are using the sound for > something? Pink noise generator, maybe? I'm sure this is just their typical wacky sense of humor. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 10 10:57:41 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:57:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush 35th anniversary tour concert In-Reply-To: <20040910100840.mjo8ggkscw00ssgs@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Jonathan Clark : >>Question about the sound: for this tour (and the last one) they have >>a couple of clothes dryers set up on stage, tumbling away (they throw >>the T-shirts in them to the crowd during the gig). But these are >>miked up - they have stand mikes set up in front of them. Anyone >>know if these are just a fake, or if they are using the sound for >>something? Pink noise generator, maybe? > > I'm sure this is just their typical wacky sense of humor. Though now I'm keen to record a version of "Washing Machine" with swooshy noises created by micing up a washing machine and chucking the signal through various funky filtering :) Natch, we'd want to play the washing machine live, not sampled! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Sep 10 11:39:16 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:39:16 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons (was New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DH came out around October '97, part way through the tour. That's 7 years ago by my maths. This year we have had Dave introducing tracks as being from a forthcoming album (and tour). Dunno about the single but I wouldn't expect the album to be out until the tour is at least imminent, and allowing for standard HW lateness probably halfway through. Dates do seem to be arranged for October and December so far (as posted here and listed in the HW tour prog). A bit of 'official' information certainly wouldn't go amiss though! > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Neil Shilladay > Sent: 10 September 2004 09:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Distant Horizons (was New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi) > > > Jon wrote : > "Tell you what, next year we can celebrate the 9th birthday > of _Distant Horizons_ and if we can just get Dave announcing the new > tracks with "this is from our new album, which is coming out > next year", > we'll all know where we are from long BOC experience." > > > While I fully sympathise with Jon's frustration at lack of > new album, my > copy of DH shows it being recorded Jan - July '97, a full > year after it was > released. Maybe HW are being cautious this time, so as not to > repeat this > oversight :o) > > Neil. > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 10 14:21:41 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:21:41 +0100 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: Levitation (Griffin Version with Nuclear Toy Bonus Track)??? whats this? i didnt realise there was a griffin version of levitation! i thought that only castle had re-issued this cd apart from ASAM and the RCA stuff what else did griffin release of hawkwinds core albums on cd with extra tracks? colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > Look at the CD prices on ebay for Warrior, the US Griffin release is worth > more because it's from the masters and not mastered from the vinyl, but the > Dojo UK release is also selling for big money. > > The other CDs going for big money are: > > Quark Strangeness and Charm > PXR5 > Hawklords 25 Years > Love in Space Live (2CD) > Astounding Sounds > > and there are more heading that way: > > Levitation (Griffin Version with Nuclear Toy Bonus Track) > > > Once the albums are reissued hopefully values will drop again. I'm sure the > band will be trying to get these back out again, but these things take time. > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:18 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question > > > Rich wrote: > > I guess we'll just have to invest in that Griffin copy of Warrior to find > > out. Hang on and I'll mortgage the flat...and hope it's not the mispress.. > > Is it really that valuable these days? I own both, I'm sure, but I've > only got one of them on this side of the Atlantic and I can't remember > which one. I'll have to check. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Sep 10 15:28:46 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:28:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:34:46 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >http://www.imotorhead.com/news.htm > >But perhaps the UK dates are still going forward ... no clear indication >yet, I think. !!! Now THAT's a last-minute announcement !!! They were supposed to play here in SF tomorrow ... glad I didn't buy a ticket! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Fri Sep 10 16:35:09 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:35:09 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IE9GRjogTW90b3JoZWFkIFVTIGF1dHVtbiB0b3VyIGNhbmNlbGxlZCE=?= Message-ID: I heard about that. Sucks. I was leaning toward catching their show in Philly next month. They were gonna play with Zeke, who are pretty straight-ahead punk from what I've heard. That's the luxury of going to see the headliner, though. . . showing up conveniently late. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:34:46 > >http://www.imotorhead.com/news.htm > >But perhaps the UK dates are still going forward >... no clear indication >yet, I think. > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 10 17:14:35 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:14:35 +0100 Subject: HW: ordering direct from Hawkwind? In-Reply-To: <20040820120420.B13017@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: > So, how does one check to see what Hawkwind currently has > available for direct order? Does Dave or Kris still read > this list? They only ever seemed to do so occasionally, and though we did have a post from them not so very long ago, I'm not sure that they ever actually read the list as subscribers rather than just looking at the archives on the web. Certainly asking direct questions, even polite and friendly ones (that is, ones by other people :-> ) never got a direct response as far as I know except for the couple of Q&A sessions Dave did. I'd guess that short of writing to them and hoping for a response, there is little you can do. You could try mailing which is advertised on the webpages, but I wouldn't like to guess who's reading it if anyone is... Still, it could be worse, they could be The Residents. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Sep 10 23:23:25 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:23:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040711123756.00699cb4@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Jul 11, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Jason Scruton wrote: > > Years later, Prasad talks about the experience as a soul-scraping > enterprise, and a dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world. > Just read the Popoff book. I feel bad about how ogre I've been portrayed. I know I was obnoxious then but I've worked hard to be more diplomatic in my criticism over the past 20 years. But I can still obsess over the music (now I'm more into lyrics though) and I think that is intimidating to those who do not. Really though I still think these guys were a bit sissy-like. The Dictators never would have sacked me and if I'd been with them (almost happened too) they might have had a hit. Geez, that's not too diplomatic though is it? ;-) sorry. Am I a product of Pearlman's neurosis? Met Jerry Morotta (awesome Peter Gabriel drummer) last night at the Zildjian cymbal new prototype roll out and we had a great chat. Best quote, "Don't say that BOC needs a new drummer too loud or you'll clear the room." Drumming is something that is best not to obsess about once you figure out your part. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Sep 11 03:49:16 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:49:16 +0200 Subject: HW: ordering direct from Hawkwind? Message-ID: Good one,that from The Residents,Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: ordering direct from Hawkwind? > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > So, how does one check to see what Hawkwind currently has > > available for direct order? Does Dave or Kris still read > > this list? > > They only ever seemed to do so occasionally, and though we did > have a post from them not so very long ago, I'm not sure that they ever > actually read the list as subscribers rather than just looking at the > archives on the web. Certainly asking direct questions, even polite and > friendly ones (that is, ones by other people :-> ) never got a direct > response as far as I know except for the couple of Q&A sessions Dave did. > > I'd guess that short of writing to them and hoping for a response, > there is little you can do. You could try mailing > which is advertised on the webpages, but I > wouldn't like to guess who's reading it if anyone is... > > Still, it could be worse, they could be The Residents. Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Sep 11 05:47:43 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:47:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Sep 2004, at 04:23, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Just read the Popoff book. I feel bad about how ogre I've been > portrayed. I know I was obnoxious then but I've worked hard to be more > diplomatic in my criticism over the past 20 years. Well, I can't say I've read the book, or know anything about how you were Once Upon A Time, but you've always seemed like a pretty cool and laid-back guy online or in person. And if a professional musician can't obsess at least a little bit about music, then, eh, well, who can? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sat Sep 11 10:27:41 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:27:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > And if a professional musician can't obsess at least a little bit about > music, then, eh, well, who can? ;) Your typical clueless music critic? -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Sep 11 15:25:03 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:25:03 -0400 Subject: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:21:41 +0100, colm mcwilliams wrote: >Levitation (Griffin Version with Nuclear Toy Bonus Track)??? > >whats this? i didnt realise there was a griffin version of levitation! I think there was a Griffin version of almost *everything* except the EMI stuff (bar Warrior), Hawklords/25 Years, and PXR5 (a great service to we fans, but probably not the most successful business plan). >i thought that only castle had re-issued this cd > >apart from ASAM and the RCA stuff what else did griffin release of >hawkwinds core albums on cd with extra tracks? Live Chronicles is probably the most significant one, especially since the inclusion of the Moorcock poems allowed some really BAD edits to be un-done (like the one at the very beginning between the announcement, "Welcome to the chronicle of the black sword" and "Song of the Swords" - I always wondered why the edit in the original version was so horrid). Even though it's still missing the encore medley (gotta buy the dvd for that) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Sep 12 00:22:29 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:22:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers Message-ID: This is interesting ... All the versions of Motorhead are approximately 3.05. The differences between the B-side and Flicknife/Anthology versions are pretty obvious (The 1981 version subtracts the Lemmy vocals, sax & violin, and adds Dave vocals, arpegio synth, noise synth @ 1.35, and an extra guitar solo from 2.02 through the end). The Flicknife version sounds a bit rougher than the Anthology version, but I can't hear any significant difference between those two. There are 3 lengths/versions of Kings of Speed, one without overdubs: basic track: 4.25 (including 10 second false start / feedback) album version: 3.50 (missing false start, last 25 seconds faded) single version: 3.30 (guitar & violin solos edited from the album version) The version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD is the single version (3.30), not the album version (3.50). Can someone with the Dojo version of 'Warrior' check the length of "Kings of Speed" on theirs (I don't have the 'Sonic Boom Killers' CD either, but I assume that would have the 3.30 7" version)? The basic track is the instrumental version (from the Flicknife 12" with "Hurry On Sundown" & "Sweet Mistress of Pain"), which includes quite a bit of sax not audible on the final versions (LP or 7"), but has no violin (so that was obviously an overdub) or (obviously) vocals. For the single version, the guitar solo is edited from about 28 seconds to 14 seconds, and the violin solo from about 33 seconds to 27 seconds (which adds up to the 20 second discrepency). Both the single and album versions seem to have the same (faded) ending. The basic track has a later cold ending with slight sax fadeout. Signing off from the age of the minutae man, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com ObCD-R: Hawkwind - multiple versions of "Kings of Speed" and "Motorhead" From youless at COX.NET Sun Sep 12 01:29:20 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:29:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers Message-ID: Hi Dojo Warrior CD: Kings of Speed is the album edit, approx 3:50 Sonic Boom Killers: Kings of Speed is the single edit, approx 3:30 Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:22:29 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >There are 3 lengths/versions of Kings of Speed, one without overdubs: >basic track: 4.25 (including 10 second false start / feedback) >album version: 3.50 (missing false start, last 25 seconds faded) >single version: 3.30 (guitar & violin solos edited from the album version) > >The version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD is the single version >(3.30), not the album version (3.50). Can someone with the Dojo version >of 'Warrior' check the length of "Kings of Speed" on theirs (I don't have >the 'Sonic Boom Killers' CD either, but I assume that would have the 3.30 >7" version)? From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Sep 12 05:19:37 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:19:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Electronic Cottage, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (September 12, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Electronic Cottage (show #8), Alchemical Radio (show #69), and Drool Trough (show #17). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html New to the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: John Frankovic - "Space Zombie" Riverside - "Out Of Myself" Etherfysh - "A Box Of Fysh" Mushroom - "Glazed Popems" (plus we've restocked several items from the Mushroom back catalog) More details can be found in our online catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html The Electronic Cottage (show #8) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we review at Aural Innovations. The Electronic Cottage is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Ted Johnson & Joe Hendrix - "Space Probe" (from Space Probe) National Holographic - "Event Horizon" (excerpt) (from Event Horizon) Etherfysh - "Orange" (from A Box Of Fysh) Hollydrift - "Out Among The Night" (from Waiting For The Tiller) Nimbus 2000 - "Puddles" (from Kettle Of Fish Walking) Psychic Space Invasion - "The Theatre Of The Warm" (from Book Of Dreams) Rob Levit - "Conscious Arising" (from Electronic Soundscapes) Ben Fleury-Steiner - "Shadows Of A Luminescent Warmth" (from ...To Reach The Other Shore) Newagehillbilly - "Stolen Wool" (from Familiar Puzzle) Graffiti 61 - "Droning Velvet" (from Droning Velvet) Galactic Anthems - "Abstract Circuitry" (from Abstract Circuitry) Alchemical Radio (show #69) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Introduction by The Reverend Rabbit with special thanks, as always to our Cousin Silas for his ambient musical atmospherics. Neumeria - "Destiny" The Nightjars - "Bedlam" The Clumsy Lovers - "Groove Sel" Steppin' In It - "Last Winter In The Copper Country" Steve Power - "Running For The Border" Leandra Hill - "Alright" Patrick Porter - "Toppy" Fran Gray - "Erica" Pax Amerikana - "Cheap Licence To Kill" Lope - "Bud Estro" Frank Gingeleit - "Terra Australis" Absolute Zero - "Stutter Rock/You Said" The Motives Project - "I Can't Remember, I Can't Forget" Drool Trough (shows #17) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Sack Trick - "Rainbow Trout (A Disaster Averted)" (from Penguins On The Moon) Orbit Service - "The Seven Rays" (from Twilight) Nifty Eagu & the Glo-Pilots - "Cupid" (from Glo-Balisation) Mushroom - "This Goes Squonk!" (From Glazed Popems) Land Of Chocolate - "Military Mindset" (from Regaining The Feel) Patrick Porter - "Skylan MO" (from Skylan MO) African Underground - Shiffai "Never Forget" (from African Underground Vol 1: Hip-Hop Senegal) Swedish Whistler - "Vegetable Man" (from The Vegetable Man Project Vol. 2) Air Formation - "Fallen Leaves" (from Stay Inside/Feel Everything) Monster Movie - "Out Of Touch" (from To The Moon) Random Touch - "Jumping Off The Cliff" (from The You Tomorrow) Argon Evolution - "Hip" (from Human) Valles Brothers - "El Avion" (from The Valles Brothers II) Rick McAlister - "Say Uncle" (from Surplus Cheese) The Good Library - "Finnigins Bluff" (from Finnigins Bluff EP) S.Q.E. - "Daughters Of Albion Awake" (from The Abyss Stares Back) The Buzzrats - "Greaser" (from Wondering Where You Are) Dan Pound - "Desert Dance" (from Other Worlds) The Exile - "Through Movement" (from Ascension EP) Logic Alley - "Obligatory Apology" (from Diabolical Songs) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 12 11:56:27 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:56:27 +0100 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <20040822113934.A6384@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 02:05:42AM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I would dearly love to hear _Imaginos_ remastered. I find its > > thick overcrowded sound and its low volume levels, on CD or on cassette > > (have never heard the vinyl) put me off listening to it (after all, > > If you listen to it on a sufficiently revealing sound > system, the sound of the CD isn't so much "thick" as complex > and layered. The vinyl sounds rather worse - the album is > really too long for a vinyl release, and they had to squeeze > the grooves too tightly together. Can't speak for the > cassette, although it's just a truism that commerically > produced cassette tapes are going to muddy the sound. I confess I haven't played it on my borrowed decent set of speakers yet. I should fix that de pronto, see what I make of it. I also tend mostly to play it when drunk, because of a certain friend of mine who really likes it but doesn't have a copy demanding it be played when pub trips end here. Possibly my critical opinion needs better foundations. > > Failing that though, I confess that _Spectres_ and > > _Mirrors_ are my two least favourite BOC albums (with > > _Club Ninja_ wandering around in a kind of > > Neptune-Pluto-Charon configuration so that sometimes it's > > my least favourite) almost entirely because of the way > > they sound, which again I accept is period detail but > > which I would love to lose so that the material doesn't > > sound so dense and wooly. > > I think that Spectres is probably the worst mastered BOC > album ever. To me it sounds worse (more boomy/muddy) than > the debut album, which people have described as sounding > like it was recorded on a 4 track recorder buried in sand. :) > Which sucks, because Spectres is one of my favorite BOC > albums... The first album's problem was maybe eased by the fact that the bottom end had been so MC5'd out of existence that it couldn't really boom too much. No such luck with _Spectres_... But that first album's remaster with bass you could hear without trying, that was rather a revelation. Al's drumming also suddenly shone out and one could hear the link to The Stalk Forrest Group's twin-lead guitar and drums style much more easily. What can we hope for from _Spectres_ I wonder? > And did you just describe the sound of _Mirrors_ as dense > and wooly? Mirrors is probably the brightest, openest > sounding BOC album ever recorded, so much that people have > harshed on it for being "too light", and sounding "like > a pop album"! :-) I agree with you up to a point, it's certainly mixed like a pop album, but, perhaps it's just the age and use of my vinyl copy,[1] it still doesn't sound exactly well-defined to me. It's one of the things that annoys me about it, that it doesn't even make it as a Fleetwood Mac soundalike because it doesn't glisten and shine in the same way. I have to confess I'm not going to try and buy the current CD to make sure I'm giving it a fair opinion :-) Apart from anything else, the minute I found one, the next remasters would come out... Yours, Jon [1] Previous owner must have liked it better than I do, if so... ObCD: Pressurehed - _Sudden Vertigo_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Sep 12 12:22:04 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:22:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> I think that Spectres is probably the worst mastered BOC >> album ever. To me it sounds worse (more boomy/muddy) than >> the debut album, which people have described as sounding >> like it was recorded on a 4 track recorder buried in sand. :) >> Which sucks, because Spectres is one of my favorite BOC >> albums... > > The first album's problem was maybe eased by the fact that the > bottom end had been so MC5'd out of existence that it couldn't really > boom > too much. No such luck with _Spectres_... But that first album's > remaster > with bass you could hear without trying, that was rather a revelation. A funny thing happened with Spectres. Record Plant East had just built a new mixing room with soffeted Westlake speakers and a glass pyramid ceiling which might show the stars at night if it wasn't located in NYC. It was the latest in equipment and design ideas and it sounded like crap. Shelly Yakus struggled valiantly to make the mixes as vital as AoF but ultimately in vain. He mixed several songs (Fireworks 3x) many times but we usually went with the first mix. It was one of the first albums to be mixed in that room and suffered because of it. Born to Run was being mixed at the same time but they were using a studio downstairs with much better results. A genius mastering engineer might help though. I mastered that with Shelly at the record plant the first time. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 12 14:26:24 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:26:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers Message-ID: The Hawkwind Zoo 12" says Kings of Speed (live) though doesn't it? So are the single and WOTEOT versions from an orginal live track? Doubt it as it's not listed in the '74 or '75 live sets anywhere. Eddie. >From: Doug Pearson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:22:29 -0400 > >This is interesting ... > >All the versions of Motorhead are approximately 3.05. >The differences between the B-side and Flicknife/Anthology versions are >pretty obvious (The 1981 version subtracts the Lemmy vocals, sax & violin, >and adds Dave vocals, arpegio synth, noise synth @ 1.35, and an extra >guitar solo from 2.02 through the end). The Flicknife version sounds a bit >rougher than the Anthology version, but I can't hear any significant >difference between those two. > >There are 3 lengths/versions of Kings of Speed, one without overdubs: >basic track: 4.25 (including 10 second false start / feedback) >album version: 3.50 (missing false start, last 25 seconds faded) >single version: 3.30 (guitar & violin solos edited from the album version) > >The version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD is the single version >(3.30), not the album version (3.50). Can someone with the Dojo version >of 'Warrior' check the length of "Kings of Speed" on theirs (I don't have >the 'Sonic Boom Killers' CD either, but I assume that would have the 3.30 >7" version)? The basic track is the instrumental version (from the >Flicknife 12" with "Hurry On Sundown" & "Sweet Mistress of Pain"), which >includes quite a bit of sax not audible on the final versions (LP or 7"), >but has no violin (so that was obviously an overdub) or (obviously) vocals. > >For the single version, the guitar solo is edited from about 28 seconds to >14 seconds, and the violin solo from about 33 seconds to 27 seconds (which >adds up to the 20 second discrepency). Both the single and album versions >seem to have the same (faded) ending. The basic track has a later cold >ending with slight sax fadeout. > >Signing off from the age of the minutae man, > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > >ObCD-R: Hawkwind - multiple versions of "Kings of Speed" and "Motorhead" Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://ejdvillas.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Sep 12 15:17:59 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:17:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:26:24 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >The Hawkwind Zoo 12" says Kings of Speed (live) though doesn't it? So are >the single and WOTEOT versions from an orginal live track? Doubt it as it's >not listed in the '74 or '75 live sets anywhere. I'm sure that in this case, "live" would mean "live in the studio" i.e. the basic track recorded in real time without any overdubs or edits. Interesting to note that the Dojo CD is the *only* CD which includes the album version of the song. That would make it 'rarer' than previously thought, yes? (And confirms Rich's initial query about the difference between the Dojo & Griffin versions.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Sep 12 16:17:28 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:17:28 EDT Subject: HW: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: In a message dated 9/8/04 1:30:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: > But, with ubergeek mode fully on, the main discrepancy is that "yo" > that Brock put on the Anthology version @ 2:41 (or just forgot to take > off?). Anybody else ever notice it's not on the Flicknife version? > > AL i always feel its absence painfully when i listen to MHWC... c From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Mon Sep 13 00:38:27 2004 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:38:27 -0500 Subject: Huw Link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure if this is a well known link or not....but I just ran across this one: http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/main/lloyd_langton_group/all_tracks/,1 An interesting collection of Huw's work available to listen to or download for a small fee. Be well! From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Sep 13 05:13:44 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:13:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <20040911102741.vb58ow44g80480k0@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > >>And if a professional musician can't obsess at least a little bit about >>music, then, eh, well, who can? ;) > > Your typical clueless music critic? Ah, well, they shouldn't be allowed :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Sep 13 05:18:21 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:18:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! In-Reply-To: <200409102035.i8AKZ9KC7731996@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > I heard about that. Sucks. I was leaning toward catching their show in Philly next month. I think I read they're gonna re-schedule a US tour for early 2005. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 13 07:56:07 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (jswartz@mitre.org) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:56:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <200409110900.i8B903s4018493@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just read the Popoff book. I feel bad about how ogre I've been >>>>> portrayed. I know I was obnoxious then but I've worked hard to be >>>>> more >>>>> diplomatic in my criticism over the past 20 years. But I can still >>>>> obsess over the music (now I'm more into lyrics though) and I think >>>>> that is intimidating to those who do not. Really though I still think >>>>> these guys were a bit sissy-like. The Dictators never would have >>>>> sacked >>>>> me and if I'd been with them (almost happened too) they might have >>>>> had >>>>> a hit. Geez, that's not too diplomatic though is it? ;-) sorry. Am >>>>> I a >>>>> product of Pearlman's neurosis? >>>> I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 13 11:38:06 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:38:06 +0100 Subject: FAO: spiralrealms Message-ID: Anyone know who goes by "spiralrealms" on Ebay? I need to get in touch with him urgently. Cheers Mike (FoFP) From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 13 13:42:59 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:42:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41458AD7.8050500@mitre.org> Message-ID: Well said John! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of jswartz at mitre.org Sent: 13 September 2004 12:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just read the Popoff book. I feel bad about how ogre I've been >>>>> portrayed. I know I was obnoxious then but I've worked hard to be >>>>> more >>>>> diplomatic in my criticism over the past 20 years. But I can still >>>>> obsess over the music (now I'm more into lyrics though) and I think >>>>> that is intimidating to those who do not. Really though I still think >>>>> these guys were a bit sissy-like. The Dictators never would have >>>>> sacked >>>>> me and if I'd been with them (almost happened too) they might have >>>>> had >>>>> a hit. Geez, that's not too diplomatic though is it? ;-) sorry. Am >>>>> I a >>>>> product of Pearlman's neurosis? >>>> I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. John From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Sep 13 14:58:03 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:58:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers Message-ID: I did the multiple copies, play and replay, simultaneously and back-to- back, trainspotting thing this weekend too... On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:22:29 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >There are 3 lengths/versions of Kings of Speed, one without overdubs: >basic track: 4.25 (including 10 second false start / feedback) >album version: 3.50 (missing false start, last 25 seconds faded) >single version: 3.30 (guitar & violin solos edited from the album version) Exactly what I came up with. It seems that the entire 20 second discrepancy in the album/single version is in the instrumental break, so I was wrong about that earlier. There are 3 distinct solo sections in the break - first a double-tracked dual-guitar solo, then a guitar/violin section, then a violin-only section. The dual-guitar section loses about 14 seconds (from 27 secs) and the violin-only section loses about 6 seconds (from 12 secs), while the middle part seems to be retained in its entirety (20 secs). >The version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD is the single version >(3.30), not the album version (3.50). Can someone with the Dojo version The Dojo has the 3:50 full version. >For the single version, the guitar solo is edited from about 28 seconds to >14 seconds, and the violin solo from about 33 seconds to 27 seconds (which >adds up to the 20 second discrepency). Right, I jumped a bit ahead above. Interestingly (or not), my vinyl of Warrior (Liberty - United Records (UK) Ltd., manufactured in the UK by EMI, early 80s) has the timing for Kings of Speed listed as 3:25, both on the outer sleeve and on the label, but the track is the full-length version and matches the Dojo version. >ObCD-R: Hawkwind - multiple versions of "Kings of Speed" and "Motorhead" Ob standing for OBLIGATORY, everyone must immediately go play these at full volume. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Sep 13 14:58:47 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:58:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:47:43 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >And if a professional musician can't obsess at least a little bit about >music, then, eh, well, who can? ;) Heh, everyone on this list, for starters! Stephan From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Sep 13 15:26:05 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:26:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:47:43AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > And if a professional musician can't obsess at least a little bit about > music, then, eh, well, who can? ;) ... then, well, it's time for him to retire. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Only football gives us thrills Rock'n'roll just pays the bills - Queen, "More of that Jazz", subconsciously revealing the moment when it was time to put the band out of its misery From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Sep 13 17:36:46 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! tim 8>)... > I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had > contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the > impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy > behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so > there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > > John From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Sep 13 18:55:59 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:55:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! > tim 8>)... Even "eyes on fire"? :P > > > I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had > > contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the > > impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy > > behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > > stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so > > there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > > > > John > > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 13 19:17:23 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:17:23 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <1095116159.4146257f927df@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Just look at all the songs Albert was involved in with BOC. There's barely one bad one among them. They're pretty much all good! And they're just the released ones. Some of the unreleased stuff like "Pissing Away The Summer", and "Sumna Cum Laude" (?) really should have been released. Hopefully they will one day with the Legacy releases. That's one songwriting legacy anyone should be proud of! 7 Screaming Diz-Busters A Fact About Sneakers Arthur Comics Astronomy Baby Ice Dog Bonomo's Turkish Taffy Buck's Boogie Cagey Cretins Career Of Evil Cities On Flame With Rock'n'Roll Curse of The Hidden Mirrors Death Valley Nights Debbie Denise Del Rio's Song Dominance And Submission Donovan's Monkey Don't Turn Your Back Fire Of Unknown Origin Fireworks Flaming Telepaths Heavy Metal I Am The One You Warned Me Of I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep Imaginos Joan Crawford Les Invisibles Magna Of Illusion Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) Monsters O.D.'d On Life Itself R. U. Ready 2 Rock Ragamufflin Dumplin' Redeemed Sally She's As Beautiful As A Foot Sinful Love St. Cecilia Stairway To The Stars Tattoo Vampire Teen Archer The Red and The Black The Revenge of Vera Gemini The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Fr... This Ain't The Summer of Love Transmaniacon MC Unknown Tongue Vengeance (The Pact) Wings Wetted Down Workshop Of The Telescopes You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason M. Scruton Sent: 13 September 2004 23:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" > Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! > tim 8>)... Even "eyes on fire"? :P > > > I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had > > contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the > > impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy > > behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > > stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so > > there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > > > > John > > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 13 19:20:27 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:20:27 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <000201c499e7$d39cf2f0$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: OK, before I get flamed, yes I realise they're BOC and Stalk Forest Group but you know what I mean! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: 14 September 2004 00:17 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Just look at all the songs Albert was involved in with BOC. There's barely one bad one among them. They're pretty much all good! And they're just the released ones. Some of the unreleased stuff like "Pissing Away The Summer", and "Sumna Cum Laude" (?) really should have been released. Hopefully they will one day with the Legacy releases. That's one songwriting legacy anyone should be proud of! 7 Screaming Diz-Busters A Fact About Sneakers Arthur Comics Astronomy Baby Ice Dog Bonomo's Turkish Taffy Buck's Boogie Cagey Cretins Career Of Evil Cities On Flame With Rock'n'Roll Curse of The Hidden Mirrors Death Valley Nights Debbie Denise Del Rio's Song Dominance And Submission Donovan's Monkey Don't Turn Your Back Fire Of Unknown Origin Fireworks Flaming Telepaths Heavy Metal I Am The One You Warned Me Of I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep Imaginos Joan Crawford Les Invisibles Magna Of Illusion Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) Monsters O.D.'d On Life Itself R. U. Ready 2 Rock Ragamufflin Dumplin' Redeemed Sally She's As Beautiful As A Foot Sinful Love St. Cecilia Stairway To The Stars Tattoo Vampire Teen Archer The Red and The Black The Revenge of Vera Gemini The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Fr... This Ain't The Summer of Love Transmaniacon MC Unknown Tongue Vengeance (The Pact) Wings Wetted Down Workshop Of The Telescopes You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason M. Scruton Sent: 13 September 2004 23:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" > Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! > tim 8>)... Even "eyes on fire"? :P > > > I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had > > contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the > > impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy > > behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > > stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so > > there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > > > > John > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 13 19:24:48 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:24:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41458AD7.8050500@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Sep 13, 2004, at 7:56 AM, jswartz at mitre.org wrote: > Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > It's all how you look at it. I know what you mean though. Sandy meant commercial failures and Murray meant artistic failures and Meltzer, he's just a grouch. I'm the only one who kept notes, however, and I know how hard everybody worked to make those records. It was always a group effort but by the time we got to FoUO everybody was running out of steam. But it doesn't diminish me to acknowledge the others. As I said the only failure I will admit is You're Not the One because it wasn't supposed to be on the record (OK it was my little joke and now you all are in on it - even Tom Werman - after he heard it and liked it I didn't have the guts to tell him it was about him). Any other failure were brave failures (over-reaching/experiments that failed stuff) and to me that's not real failure. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Sep 13 19:10:19 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:10:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: Welll, I mean good as a relative term. (As in NOT George W) tim 8>)... Jason M. Scruton wrote: > > > Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! > > tim 8>)... > > Even "eyes on fire"? > :P > > > > > I've also just finished Popoff's book. Perhaps it is because I've had > > > contact with Al over the years, but I can say that I did not get the > > > impression that he was an "ogre" at all. Yes, some of your crazy > > > behaviour was mentioned (as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > > > stupid I was young and stupid", and he got to be president, so > > > there...). Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > > > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > > > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > > > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > > > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. > > > > > > John > > > > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Sep 13 20:57:16 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:57:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41458AD7.8050500@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 07:56:07AM -0400, jswartz at mitre.org wrote: > as George Bush has said, "When I was young and > stupid I was young and stupid" As opposed to the way he is now, i.e. middle-aged and stupid. Still, it's a great line -- very Yogi Berra. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 13 21:27:05 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:27:05 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/2004 4:18:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > I heard about that. Sucks. I was leaning toward catching their show in Philly next month. I think I read they're gonna re-schedule a US tour for early 2005. Their site sez: "Lemmy injured his foot on stage about month ago while touring in Europe. Lemmy, ignoring the pain and against his European doctor's recommendation, completed the few remaining shows on the Motorhead summer festival tour. Since he was not able to rest his foot for a while, Lemmy's injury worsened, and his U.S. doctor insisted in no uncertain terms that Lemmy stay off his foot for several weeks in order for it to heal properly. Motorhead will return for a U.S. tour in March 2005. Lemmy, guitarist Philip Campbell and drummer Mikkey Dee hate to disappoint their fans but it is necessary for Lemmy's injury to heal so that Motorhead can rock long into the future." Joe From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Sep 13 21:29:24 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: ; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 12:22:04PM -0400 Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 12:22:04PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > A funny thing happened with Spectres. Record Plant East had just built > a new mixing room with soffeted Westlake speakers and a glass pyramid > ceiling which might show the stars at night if it wasn't located in > NYC. It was the latest in equipment and design ideas and it sounded > like crap. [...] > A genius mastering engineer might help though. I mastered that with > Shelly at the record plant the first time. Maybe if we begged Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound? :-) (the guy who did the ATCO AC/DC remasters). Well, one can always hope... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 13 22:57:37 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:57:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sep 13, 2004, at 9:27 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > Since he was not able to rest his foot for a while, Lemmy's injury > worsened, > and his U.S. doctor insisted in no uncertain terms that Lemmy stay > off his > foot for several weeks in order for it to heal properly. Maybe it's time for him to play sitting down a la BB King, Bo Diddley. ;-) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 14 04:28:50 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:28:50 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41458AD7.8050500@mitre.org> Message-ID: jswartz at mitre.org wrote: > Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. I can't remember whether Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman were still much involved by the 80s, but whatever advice was being taken in the wake of (or contributing to) the Bouchard Bros. various departures was clearly the wrong advice, whether artistic or commercial. Up to and including _FoUO_ ... well, there were stronger and weaker moments (artistic and commercial), but that's true for any band. But it's only up to and including _FoUO_ that the work is indelibly branded in my mind as "proper BOC". Thereafter its divided between "Imaginos" (which is cool, but not really BOC) and "BOC no longer on message" :/ I don't know if the trail-off after _FoUO_ is wholly due to a lack of Bouchard and/or Pearlman/Meltzer/Krugman involvement, but its an evident trail-off to me. Not that all the BOC output post-FoUO is bad; there are definitely some good songs (I will, for example, defend "Take Me Away" to the death and I even enjoyed some of the Bad Channels stuff :) but, on the whole, it's been ... less than stellar ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 14 04:30:02 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:30:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <1AB2D9EF-05DC-11D9-92C9-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > Any other failure > were brave failures (over-reaching/experiments that failed stuff) and > to me that's not real failure. Transformations can, I've heard, sometimes be pretty hard to find ... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Sep 14 07:20:37 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:20:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: >>> cea at CARLAZ.COM 9/14/2004 4:28:50 AM >>> jswartz at mitre.org wrote: > Personally, I was much more put off by some of the comments > of Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman. Of course, I wasn't in the studio > with you guys, but I still think they take way too much credit for the > band's successes, and have no qualms about pointing out how if everyone > had just listened to them, the band would have had fewer failures. I can't remember whether Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman were still much involved by the 80s, They weren't hugely involved after Secret Treaties. that might tell us something! but whatever advice was being taken in the wake of (or contributing to) the Bouchard Bros. various departures was clearly the wrong advice, whether artistic or commercial. True, but Al was sacked, and Joe stayed on several years, so he either tacitly agreed with the move, or decided it was in his best interest to stay in an established band, even if they did screw over his brother. Can't blame him, really. He had a family to support... Up to and including _FoUO_ ... well, there were stronger and weaker moments (artistic and commercial), but that's true for any band. But it's only up to and including _FoUO_ that the work is indelibly branded in my mind as "proper BOC". Thereafter its divided between "Imaginos" (which is cool, but not really BOC) and "BOC no longer on message" :/ Some fans would argue that the band was never the same after Secret Treaties. Not sure I agree with it. I'd put the the turning point after Spectres, even though the band still recorded some great stuff after that. the hallmark of the Pearlman era was consistency. The early discs were uniformly perfect, wheras the later stuff often included songs that might not have appeared on the earlier albums. Once Al was fired, the quality dropped even more. You do the math! I don't know if the trail-off after _FoUO_ is wholly due to a lack of Bouchard and/or Pearlman/Meltzer/Krugman involvement, but its an evident trail-off to me. Not that all the BOC output post-FoUO is bad; there are definitely some good songs (I will, for example, defend "Take Me Away" Yeah, I liked a lot of stuff of RBN, but the writing was on the wall... to the death and I even enjoyed some of the Bad Channels stuff :) but, on the whole, it's been ... less than stellar ;) Most songwriters have a finite number of ideas [Al B. not included!] I think after you've been doing it a while, it's hard to maintain creativity... theo From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Sep 14 07:27:40 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:27:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: >>> ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM 9/13/2004 7:24:48 PM >>> I'm the only one who kept notes, however, and I know how hard everybody worked to make those records. It was always a group effort but by the time we got to FoUO everybody was running out of steam. But it doesn't diminish me to acknowledge the others. As I said the only failure I will admit is You're Not the One because it wasn't supposed to be on the record (OK it was my little joke and now you all are in on it - even Tom Werman - after he heard it and liked it I didn't have the guts to tell him it was about him). Any other failure were brave failures (over-reaching/experiments that failed stuff) and to me that's not real failure. Well put. I think that artists should be entitled to stretch out a little, esp. after say, their tenth album! It would get pretty stale to keep trying to re-write Cities on Flame, or Astronomy even. Most musicians draw from a variety of inspirations, and the fans have to be willing to listen to new stuff. But look how all us veteran fans grouse when the band doesn't play one of our faves, while others bitch because they play too many chestnuts! theo From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 14 07:44:21 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:44:21 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > Some fans would argue that the band was never the same after > Secret Treaties. Not sure I agree with it. I'd put the the turning > point after Spectres, even though the band still recorded some great > stuff after that. the hallmark of the Pearlman era was consistency. > The early discs were uniformly perfect, wheras the later stuff often > included songs that might not have appeared on the earlier albums. Well, I think the writing was most interesting up through Secret Treaties, but that the production became much better thereafter. I wouldn't dub the sound on the early albums "perfect" by any means :) Obviously, album production is subjective and the winds of fashion can change unexpectedly ... but the really thin kinda MC5-style sound like on those early albums has never worked for my ears. Great songs that sound wimpier than they should/could, IMO. Weird studio and mastering problems aside, the stuff sounds much cleaner and fuller from _AoF_ on, at least to my ears. I mean, even today _FoOU_ sounds really quite good -- sure, crispy and radio-friendly, but good. I think I'll go listen to "Vengeance" now, actually ... > Once Al was fired, the quality dropped even more. You do the math! Even I can manage that level of math ;) Cheers, Carl ObCDoftheMoment: _Iommi_. Yeah, I know it came out a coupla years back, but I only just managed to pick up a cheap used copy. Nothing life-changing, but surprisingly solid, I think. Riffs to die for, as one might expect :) Actually, IMO, its rather better than anything actually done under the "Sabbath" moniker since .... ooo, _Sabotage_ probably. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Sep 14 08:00:49 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:00:49 +0200 Subject: HW: Abkuerzungen... Message-ID: Awright! Who's responsible?! Fess up! http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=woteot Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The question is...why did I even think to try it?! And why not 'iitbotftbd' or even 'hotmg'? Some work yet left to do I guess. :) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 14 08:07:07 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:07:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > Most musicians > draw from a variety of inspirations, and the fans have to be willing > to listen to new stuff. But look how all us veteran fans grouse when > the > band doesn't play one of our faves, while others bitch because they > play too many chestnuts! It's a fine line, I suppose, but there often seems to be that indefinable bit of soul that makes you recognize a band as that band even when the sound and even lineup can change radically. And other times, even apparently minimal changes can completely chuck the band's "soul" out the window. Motorhead still sounds like "Motorhead" to me, though there are (surprisingly ;) actual objective changes to the way their songs work and sound (surprisingly). God knows that _Magical Mystery Tour_ sounds damn little like _Please Please Me_, but it sounds like the Beatles (wheras, say, John Lennon's solo stuff generally doesn't feel really that "Beatley" to me). _Spectres_ sounds a lot different from _BOC_ to me, but still like "BOC". _Club Ninja_, erm, doesn't, for some reason. I was, however, willing to believe in _Imaginos_ as a "return to form" (though it sounds little like other BOC albums) until I learned it was nothing of the sort ;) Still cool, though :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 14 12:30:54 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:30:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <200409140900.i8E821EQ010094@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > > Failures?...what failures...it's allllll goood! > tim 8>)... Actually, I think so. I meant what were largely consider commercial failures. > Even "eyes on fire"? Ain't one of my favorites, but I'll still listen to it. >>>> (Albert writes) >>>> It's all how you look at it. I know what you mean though. Sandy meant >>>> commercial failures and Murray meant artistic failures and Meltzer, >>>> he's just a grouch. I'm the only one who kept notes, however, and I >>>> know how hard everybody worked to make those records. It was always a >>>> group effort but by the time we got to FoUO everybody was running out >>>> of steam. But it doesn't diminish me to acknowledge the others. As I >>>> said the only failure I will admit is You're Not the One because it >>>> wasn't supposed to be on the record (OK it was my little joke and now >>>> you all are in on it - even Tom Werman - after he heard it and liked it >>>> I didn't have the guts to tell him it was about him). Any other failure >>>> were brave failures (over-reaching/experiments that failed stuff) and >>>> to me that's not real failure. Al's been very gracious to give credit where credit is due, especially in light of the fact that it is almost universally acknowledged (at least now if not then) that Al was one of the main driving forces (certainly musically) behind the band, and that his departure left a huge void. Reading the book, however, helped reinforce the notion of the "BOC Collective", and how certain things, despite being the brainchild of a certain individual, just didn't make the cut until a group analysis was applied. Classic examples include "The Vigil" (the original "Devil's Nail" lyrics by Patti Smith had to go to make this a BOC song), and "Lips in the Hills" ("Hold me Tight"? The riff may be the same, but song sure ain't). The fact that "You'e Not the One" is a BOC song, now that we know "the rest of the story"...well, I for one think that's great. A real Spinal Tap moment for sure. The drummer goes off and writes a stupid song about the producer (ripping off another song in the process), and the producer puts it on the album! How cool is that? >>>> (Carl writes) >>>> >>>> I can't remember whether Pearlman, Meltzer, and Krugman were still much >>>> involved by the 80s, but whatever advice was being taken in the wake of >>>> (or contributing to) the Bouchard Bros. various departures was clearly >>>> the wrong advice, whether artistic or commercial. Up to and including >>>> _FoUO_ ... well, there were stronger and weaker moments (artistic and >>>> commercial), but that's true for any band. But it's only up to and >>>> including _FoUO_ that the work is indelibly branded in my mind as >>>> "proper BOC". Thereafter its divided between "Imaginos" (which is >>>> cool, >>>> but not really BOC) and "BOC no longer on message" :/ Some would argue that BOC was "off message" once Agents of Fortune was released - like you say, still cool... >>>> >>>> I don't know if the trail-off after _FoUO_ is wholly due to a lack of >>>> Bouchard and/or Pearlman/Meltzer/Krugman involvement, but its an >>>> evident >>>> trail-off to me. Not that all the BOC output post-FoUO is bad; there >>>> are >>>> definitely some good songs (I will, for example, defend "Take Me Away" >>>> to the death and I even enjoyed some of the Bad Channels stuff :) but, >>>> on the whole, it's been ... less than stellar ;) I think part of it wasn't so much the lack of Bouchard et al providing material, but the fact that the band lost self-confidence. It took them until Heaven Forbid (and maybe even Curse of the Hidden Mirror) to really establish their creativity as a "band" again in some sense. John From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Sep 14 12:42:36 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:42:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Abkuerzungen... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 02:00:49PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=woteot > > P.S. The question is [...] > why not 'iitbotftbd' or even 'hotmg'? Or even "hw"? (I just submitted that one.) But here are some amusing (well, to me anyway) alternates. HW: - Helloween (band) [Hey! They stole our acronym!] - High-Warning ['nuff said :-)] - Hacked Website - Hardware [old and lame, but it's been amusing this computer guy for decades now] - Hazardous Waste [what all those *other* people think of HW's music?] DFL: - Data Fusion Laboratory [should be from a Calvert lyric] - Deutsche Fussball Liga (German Soccer League) [who knew?] - Dictator for Life - Disease Free Layings (silk) [hmmmm] SR: - Stuff Request (Nortel) ["Nortel" means this must be a technical term. The mind boggles.] - Source Rock (geology) [Space Ritual is the Source Rock for Space Rock ... well, that's stretching things, but only slightly] -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Sep 14 13:00:32 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:00:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41471CBE.5040000@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > Some would argue that BOC was "off message" once Agents of Fortune was > released - like you say, still cool... I can see why people would say that, but I restrict my feeling there to "I like the writing on the first 4 albums better" :) There's just too much good weirdness on AoF and the followups! :) > I think part of it wasn't so much the lack of Bouchard et al providing > material, but the fact that the band lost self-confidence. It took them > until Heaven Forbid (and maybe even Curse of the Hidden Mirror) to > really establish their creativity as a "band" again in some sense. And while I applaud their efforts to create new stuff as a band, I gotta confess that I haven't found either _HF_ or _CotHM_ to have better than "well, that's kind of OK" on them :/ I hear flashes of BOC, but not yet re-established BOC. (Basically, when Buck has some good moments it sounds like a solid Buck song, but I'd kinda like a bit richer diet than that!) Let's not delude ourselves -- old dude rockers are highly unlikely to ever burn up the charts. But old dude rockers can (and sometimes do) make ass-whomping records anyway, and (this is just mah opinion heah!) I don't think BOC have quite reached the place where they've said "Let's just make an evil freaking record that will blow away anyone who listens to it, even if there are only three of them. Damn it." This is just ye standarde fan belly-aching though :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Sep 14 13:31:10 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:31:10 +0100 Subject: Abkuerzungen... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Blimey, was it nine months ago I posted this. Time flies when you're an aging hippie :-) About a week later I posted the answers. I now forget what the high score was. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of HawkFan Sent: 01 January 2004 12:37 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Guess the Hawkwind track A diversion for those (like me) with a New Years day hangover. The following are acronyms of Hawkwind tracks. Do you know the track? I got about half of them straight off, but some of the tracks from later albums I had to give up on. No prizes, and I'm not going to mark your efforts! I'll post the list in a day or two. Note that where tracks start with "The" it is sometimes but not always omitted. JR abd am tai aia aod av aylym aiu aab ta bitb by bmu btf bc bes bs btg bp br bioh cha cots cym cl co tcom dol da dv dl dv dotu dgh dwtd dt dm de di dttn df ds dc dw dre dr dot ec ea e el ete2 5-4 fa f451 foec fe fsof flom tfd ff tgv ge gfd his hw h hr htc hod hos im in ite itr ise jos tjatg kc kos le li loake litf lol loc lc lj lis lsd mag mwyc moc motu mom mic moi m mc mo mo-c n1 n2 ng ns nj noth nfacp nd nt otc too otddoacwk oa osc oots ott pa tpol py pr psi pw psyc pxr5 qsc rm trs rob rp rttbb sk s sa sbs sd sditn sm soatt sa smg sots sid st sota ss sote sc sof smop so sote sw tfy ts tj trs twbhh tgyn wttf twltwt tb tm tr tvs tai ta cha tcom tcotbs dl dm tfd tgv tjatg too tpol sk watch usom ug u84 v10 votw tgv wft woteot w w - a second track starting with W w - a third track starting with W, they must like W wos wtgg wttws ww wttf wtggt wgwtw twbhh x ybmu ykyod ybbi z -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: 14 September 2004 17:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Abkuerzungen... On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 02:00:49PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=woteot > > P.S. The question is [...] > why not 'iitbotftbd' or even 'hotmg'? Or even "hw"? (I just submitted that one.) But here are some amusing (well, to me anyway) alternates. HW: - Helloween (band) [Hey! They stole our acronym!] - High-Warning ['nuff said :-)] - Hacked Website - Hardware [old and lame, but it's been amusing this computer guy for decades now] - Hazardous Waste [what all those *other* people think of HW's music?] DFL: - Data Fusion Laboratory [should be from a Calvert lyric] - Deutsche Fussball Liga (German Soccer League) [who knew?] - Dictator for Life - Disease Free Layings (silk) [hmmmm] SR: - Stuff Request (Nortel) ["Nortel" means this must be a technical term. The mind boggles.] - Source Rock (geology) [Space Ritual is the Source Rock for Space Rock ... well, that's stretching things, but only slightly] -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Sep 14 14:15:45 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:15:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <414723B0.4060108@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > "well, that's kind of OK" on them :/ I hear flashes of BOC, but not yet > re-established BOC. (Basically, when Buck has some good moments it > sounds like a solid Buck song, but I'd kinda like a bit richer diet than > that!) > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." One of the things that contributed to the "classic" sound is born out of the "bandhouse"/SFG jamming telepathy methinks. Sadly, I don't get the sense that the weight of the band's past catalog will let them go far afield from what's comfortable, except for the inclusion of Allen's jamming in Last Days of May and the drum/bass solo in Godzilla. > don't think BOC have quite reached the place where they've said "Let's > just make an evil freaking record that will blow away anyone who listens > to it, even if there are only three of them. Damn it." I don't know if eric is capable of evil freaking without lyrics referring to a biker/convict/stranger out for revenge. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 14 14:19:47 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:19:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:44:21 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >Well, I think the writing was most interesting up through Secret >Treaties, but that the production became much better thereafter. > >I wouldn't dub the sound on the early albums "perfect" by any means :) >Obviously, album production is subjective and the winds of fashion can >change unexpectedly ... but the really thin kinda MC5-style sound like >on those early albums has never worked for my ears. Great songs that >sound wimpier than they should/could, IMO. > >Weird studio and mastering problems aside, the stuff sounds much cleaner >and fuller from _AoF_ on, at least to my ears. I mean, even today >_FoOU_ sounds really quite good -- sure, crispy and radio-friendly, but >good. I think I'll go listen to "Vengeance" now, actually ... I was noticing this shift in the Pearlman/Krugman "production quality" the other week when I was at a friend's house, and he put 'Manifest Destiny' (the second Dictators album, which I don't own) on the turntable. It definitely has that radio-friendly, big-70s-rock quality that the first one ('Dictators Go Girl Crazy') doesn't. (Said friend loves the album cover, but was surprised to hear that it's more-or-less the same picture/concept as on the inside gatefold of OYFoOYK.) And, of course, the guitars on the Clash's 'Give 'Em Enough Rope' (done without Murray) are simply monstrous. Imagine if they'd been able to get that sound on "ME 262" or "The Red And The Black"! Seriously, does anyone know what happened between, say, 74/75 and 77/78? Did they go to "producer school"? Did they hire skilled engineers? Or was it just a case of improving through practice? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Tue Sep 14 15:43:15 2004 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:43:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <1095185745.41473551a3944@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." There's a rumour going around the newsboards (J&A's and BDTE) that Danny has now quit. Jas. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 14 18:17:37 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:17:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <414757E3.8268.1B51D5@localhost> Message-ID: Apparently he's playing bass in the Vegas show of "We Will Rock You!" What with Bobby and Danny going, is this an opportunity for two brothers to rejoin the band or has Hell finally frozen over? :-) T -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Gool Sent: 14 September 2004 20:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." There's a rumour going around the newsboards (J&A's and BDTE) that Danny has now quit. Jas. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 14 18:22:54 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:22:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <414757E3.8268.1B51D5@localhost> Message-ID: According to the Eric Bloom site, he's being replaced by Richie Castellano, son of the guitarist Danny Castellano (Chambers Brothers? Heard of them?) Buck was saying on BDTE that they've been rehearsing over the phone! How weird is that! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Gool Sent: 14 September 2004 20:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." There's a rumour going around the newsboards (J&A's and BDTE) that Danny has now quit. Jas. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 14 17:59:35 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:59:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sep 14, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Ted Jackson wrote: > They weren't hugely involved after Secret Treaties. that might tell us > > something! But they were. There was no change for OYFOORK and for AoF and Spectres there was just the addition of David Lucas. AoF was probably Murray's most involvement in any album. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Sep 14 19:14:21 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:14:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <001e01c49aa9$612c24d0$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: If it's the chambers brothers I'm thinking of, they hit it big with "Time Has Come Today", a funfilled 10+ minute workout/freakout. I think they also did a good rendition of I put a spell on you too but I havent heard the disc in a long time. Should be interesting to see who takes the drum chair. If they keep adding 80s material, RbN/CN, to their sets, maybe it should be a drum machine :) Jason PS: funny how the subject line is strangely appropriate with all the lineup hoohah in the oyster camp. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Sep 14 19:19:58 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:19:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: official adioses In-Reply-To: <41471CBE.5040000@mitre.org> Message-ID: >From blueoystercult.com September 14, 2004 Bobby Rondinelli and Danny Miranda have both chosen to leave Blue ?yster Cult. Bobby will move on playing full time with the band The Lizards, with whom he has toured and recorded for the past couple years in his off-time from Blue ?yster Cult. Bobby's last show will be Saturday, September 18th in Las Vegas. Danny accepted a position alongside former BOC drummer John Miceli playing in the band for the "We Will Rock You" musical in Las Vegas. Danny's last show with BOC was September 12, 2004. Richie Castellano will be playing bass for BOC at the September 18 Las Vegas show. A permanent replacement drummer and bass player have not yet been named. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 14 19:36:50 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:36:50 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:58:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM writes: Maybe it's time for him to play sitting down a la BB King, Bo Diddley. ;-) With all Lemmy's ingested over the years, I'm amazed he can stand at all!! Joe From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Sep 14 20:32:25 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:32:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: official adioses In-Reply-To: <1095203998.41477c9e24a06@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 19:19, Jason M. Scruton wrote: > >From blueoystercult.com > Danny accepted a position alongside former BOC drummer John Miceli playing in > the band for the "We Will Rock You" musical in Las Vegas. Danny's last show > with BOC was September 12, 2004. For those, like me, who haven't the foggiest what this is about, here is a description I found on the WWW: >>>>> Three-hundred years in the future, the world has succumbed to globalization. On every continent, people share the same thoughts, the same experiences. Earth is now Planet Mall. Conformity rules. Musical instruments are banned. In Bohemia, hope grows from the legend of a mighty axe left by a guitar god, buried somewhere deep in rock. Seeking a hero who can find this instrument of change and draw it from the stone, the Bohemians turn to Galileo, a little silhouetto of a man who may be the one to lead a rebellion against the worldwide shadow of corporate domination. Set to 25 of Queen's epic hits, including "Bohemian Rhapsody," "We Are The Champions," "Another One Bites the Dust," and "Crazy Little Thing Called Love," "We Will Rock You" follows this battle of the individual against the system. The production is augmented by satirical bite from writer/director (and acclaimed U.K. comedian) Ben Elton and cutting-edge production design from Mark Fisher, who has staged some of the most show-stopping concerts in rock history, including Pink Floyd's "The Wall" and U2's "Zoo TV." Queen guitarist Brian May and drummer Roger Taylor are the musical directors of this show that's already enjoyed a heady run in London's prestigious West End. (http://www.lasvegas.com/show_event/we_will_rock_you_show_detail.htm) <<<<< So, I guess Danny will still be cranking out an unchanging setlist of old tunes from the 70s and 80s night after night after night... >;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 15 04:30:24 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:30:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <001d01c49aa8$a45d7cf0$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: Tony wrote: > Apparently he's playing bass in the Vegas show of "We Will Rock You!" > What with Bobby and Danny going, is this an opportunity for two brothers > to rejoin the band or has Hell finally frozen over? :-) Ah, but what's in it for the brothers rejoining the band? I mean, just to be hired guns when all else has failed? It's not really an attractive proposition on the face of it. Maybe if everyone sat down and said "OK, we're older now and can face up to everything that went down years ago. Mistakes were made, bibles were signed, and babies were kissed all around. Can we all be cool with that and still do anything useful?" That might be a worthwhile question if it led to something more interesting than "yet another original line-up reunion greatest hits tour". I mean, yeah, I'd go see that once (if it came to London :) but surely there would need to be a situation that _wouldn't_ be a hassle and _would_ offer the chance for something _interesting_ to be done. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 15 04:36:04 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:36:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: official adioses In-Reply-To: <1095208344.11216.103.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > Three-hundred years in the future, the world has succumbed to > globalization. On every continent, people share the same thoughts, the > same experiences. Earth is now Planet Mall. Conformity rules. Musical > instruments are banned. > In Bohemia, hope grows from the legend of a mighty axe left by a guitar > god, buried somewhere deep in rock. Seeking a hero who can find this > instrument of change and draw it from the stone, the Bohemians turn to > Galileo, a little silhouetto of a man who may be the one to lead a > rebellion against the worldwide shadow of corporate domination. The fact that this is being staged in Vegas leaves me ... suffused with a paralyzing sense of irony! > So, I guess Danny will still be cranking out an unchanging setlist of > old tunes from the 70s and 80s night after night after night... >;-) But without having to move around so much, and quite likely for a better and steadier paycheck! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Sep 15 05:44:10 2004 From: John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:44:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Site Message-ID: Dunno if most people on here have seen this. However, for those who haven't, this site is worth checking out: http://www.duchyparadefilms.com/hawkwind.htm Looks good. Maybe one of these days we'll actually get to see it :-) John -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Programmer School Of Computing & Technology University Of Sunderland St Peter's Campus, St Peter's Way North Sands, Sunderland Tyne & Wear, UK There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Wed Sep 15 08:56:28 2004 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:56:28 +0200 Subject: OFF: Motorhead US autumn tour cancelled! In-Reply-To: <1e2.2ae58578.2e78da92@aol.com> Message-ID: On 14 Sep 2004, at 19:36, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > With all Lemmy's ingested over the years, I'm amazed he can stand at > all!! let alone play an instrument --Bart From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 15 09:33:44 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:33:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: official adioses In-Reply-To: <1095203998.41477c9e24a06@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:19:58PM -0400, Jason M. Scruton wrote: > >From blueoystercult.com > Danny accepted a position alongside former BOC drummer John Miceli [...] How very, uh, corporate that wording sounds :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 15 11:19:40 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:19:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <200409150900.i8F8UPYN026093@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Ted Jackson wrote: > >> Most musicians >> draw from a variety of inspirations, and the fans have to be willing >> to listen to new stuff. But look how all us veteran fans grouse when >> the >> band doesn't play one of our faves, while others bitch because they >> play too many chestnuts! > > To which Carl replied: > It's a fine line, I suppose, but there often seems to be that > indefinable bit of soul that makes you recognize a band as that band > even when the sound and even lineup can change radically. And other > times, even apparently minimal changes can completely chuck the band's > "soul" out the window. BOC is definitely a band that has, for the most part IMHO, walked on the wrong side of that line - relying too heavily on "The Big 5" (The "Big 3" plus Cities on Flame and ETI). In the early 90s they stretched a bit playing more material that would eventually wind up on Heaven Forbid, and today have been known to break out a few less-heard songs, but too much of BOC's history has been to play "The Big 5", plus about half the stuff off Secret Treaties, and a few other songs - in the late 90s you could guess the setlist almost song for song. I think now that the band is playing primarily to the hard core fans, there is less of a need for them to churn out the same stuff. > I previously opined: >> I think part of it wasn't so much the lack of Bouchard et al providing >> material, but the fact that the band lost self-confidence. It took them >> until Heaven Forbid (and maybe even Curse of the Hidden Mirror) to >> really establish their creativity as a "band" again in some sense. > > To which Carl replied: > And while I applaud their efforts to create new stuff as a band, I gotta > confess that I haven't found either _HF_ or _CotHM_ to have better than > "well, that's kind of OK" on them :/ I hear flashes of BOC, but not yet > re-established BOC. (Basically, when Buck has some good moments it > sounds like a solid Buck song, but I'd kinda like a bit richer diet than > that!) > > Let's not delude ourselves -- old dude rockers are highly unlikely to > ever burn up the charts. But old dude rockers can (and sometimes do) > make ass-whomping records anyway, and (this is just mah opinion heah!) I > don't think BOC have quite reached the place where they've said "Let's > just make an evil freaking record that will blow away anyone who listens > to it, even if there are only three of them. Damn it." I think, given the composition of the line-up, HF and CotHM were both solid albums - no, they might not be tops in the fan poll (although they certainly rank higher than the bottom for most fans). There's enough of the "classic" sound (not to mention some reworkings of some older material - which I really like - tBS and the Sony Remasters has shown that while not strictly "BOC Material", some of those old demos had some creative stuff on them that deserved to be heard), and some infusion of more current rock (esp. from Miranda/Rondinelli). No, CotHM can not possibly rival Secret Treaties, but what can? I do look at those two albums different though - simply because they are so far removed (in time) from the rest of the catalog. > Jason follows with: > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." One > of the things that contributed to the "classic" sound is born out of the > "bandhouse"/SFG jamming telepathy methinks. And THAT's not likely to happen - that jamming occurred when music was still more of a hobby to these guys, not a career. I doubt that Bloom/Roeser/Lanier in particular are at a point in their lives where they are searching for sounds and a musical future. They are looking to fund their retirement accounts, and (hopefully) enjoy what they are doing. > Sadly, I don't get the sense that the weight of the band's past catalog will let > them go far afield from what's comfortable, except for the inclusion of Allen's > jamming in Last Days of May and the drum/bass solo in Godzilla. Yeah, and the two examples you mention, are the two saddest moments when I watch the "A Long Day's Night" DVD. First off, while I think it is GREAT to have Allen stretch out and provide a guitar solo or two, and get some recognition for the talented musician that he is, it is nearly criminal in my mind to have him soloing during Last Days of May - never mind that his style seems all wrong for the song (or that the volume was nowhere near loud enough on the DVD for Allen's solo) - that is simply Buck's song, and his guitar should carry it. As for the drum/bass solo, I've spoken my thoughts on this before, but one more time: 1) after some 25 or more years, it is getting really old to hear this in the same song, 2) the bass solo and drum solo should be in separate songs - not back to back, where they seem even more monotonous, 3) whatever the hell Danny was doing at the beginning of his solo on the LDN DVD, it doesn't work - he looks like a buffoon playing a single note on his bass and doing some sort of "wave" with the crowd - BORING > From blueoystercult.com > > September 14, 2004 > > Bobby Rondinelli and Danny Miranda have both chosen to leave Blue ?yster Cult. > Bobby will move on playing full time with the band The Lizards, with whom he > has toured and recorded for the past couple years in his off-time from Blue > ?yster Cult. Bobby's last show will be Saturday, September 18th in Las Vegas. > > Danny accepted a position alongside former BOC drummer John Miceli playing in > the band for the "We Will Rock You" musical in Las Vegas. Danny's last show > with BOC was September 12, 2004. > > Richie Castellano will be playing bass for BOC at the September 18 Las Vegas > show. A permanent replacement drummer and bass player have not yet been named. > Forget what I said - I loved Danny's bass solos - bring him back, and Bobby too! ;-) Ah well, it will be interesting to see what happens (visions of the old Batman series flashing in my mind when Batman/Robin were in a bind at the end of the show and the announcer's voice booming "IS THIS THE END???") John From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 15 11:49:08 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:49:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fwd: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi Message-ID: David, you're famous! :) This was posted on the discussion list for Bay Area folk-rockers Tempest: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Labor day weekend my wife and I attended the World Science Fiction convention. This year it was held in Boston. [...] Incidentally, the Boston convention also had a guitar concert. It was 6 guys who at one time were all students of Robert Fripp, and they were awesome! -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Sep 15 11:52:19 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:52:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" Message-ID: >>> jswartz at MITRE.ORG 9/15/2004 11:19:40 AM >>> BOC is definitely a band that has, for the most part IMHO, walked on the wrong side of that line - relying too heavily on "The Big 5" (The "Big 3" plus Cities on Flame and ETI). In the early 90s they stretched a bit playing more material that would eventually wind up on Heaven Forbid, and today have been known to break out a few less-heard songs, but too much of BOC's history has been to play "The Big 5", plus about half the stuff off Secret Treaties, and a few other songs - in the late 90s you could guess the setlist almost song for song. Seems like it now too. The last few set lists are enough to keep me from seeing them later this month. It's to the point where it's not really worth a 2 hour trip one way to MAYBE hear Teen Archer or Astronomy or Telepaths. You sure won't get all 3 in 1 show. And you may not get any of them. Don't get me wrong: if they play anywhere close to me, I'm there, even if they do play their set canon. But if it's a long trip, I'll pass... I think now that the band is playing primarily to the hard core fans, there is less of a need for them to churn out the same stuff. Good point! You'd think they'd be secure in knowing that real fans will appreciate a varied list more. But I bet there are tons of 'old' fans who would be bitterly disappointed in not hearing the canonical tunes... Carl: > And while I applaud their efforts to create new stuff as a band, I gotta > confess that I haven't found either _HF_ or _CotHM_ to have better than > "well, that's kind of OK" on them :/ I hear flashes of BOC, but not yet > re-established BOC. (Basically, when Buck has some good moments it > sounds like a solid Buck song, but I'd kinda like a bit richer diet than > that!) > True enough, though I'd rate CotHM much the higher of the 2. HF really only has 3 or 4 truly good songs on it, whilst Curse only has 2 or 3 outright stinkers, with the rest being really solid, if not Secret Treaties-type stuff. OTOH, HF has Harvest Moon, which is one of my fave B?C songs all-time... > Let's not delude ourselves -- old dude rockers are highly unlikely to > ever burn up the charts. But old dude rockers can (and sometimes do) > make ass-whomping records anyway, and (this is just mah opinion heah!) I > don't think BOC have quite reached the place where they've said "Let's > just make an evil freaking record that will blow away anyone who listens > to it, even if there are only three of them. Damn it." I think, given the composition of the line-up, HF and CotHM were both solid albums - no, they might not be tops in the fan poll (although they certainly rank higher than the bottom for most fans). There's enough of the "classic" sound (not to mention some reworkings of some older material - which I really like - tBS and the Sony Remasters has shown that while not strictly "BOC Material", some of those old demos had some creative stuff on them that deserved to be heard), and some infusion of more current rock (esp. from Miranda/Rondinelli). No, CotHM can not possibly rival Secret Treaties, but what can? I do look at those two albums different though - simply because they are so far removed (in time) from the rest of the catalog. Yes, and HF has the disadvantage of being pieced together out of a bunch of leftovers, compiled from tunes written over a long period of time. True, some of CotHM's tunes are old, but it has more of the feel of a record made old style, i.e. new tunes brought in to make a new album... > Jason follows with: > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) Not sure I get your point. Bobby was with the band for a long time, Danny too... go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." One > of the things that contributed to the "classic" sound is born out of the > "bandhouse"/SFG jamming telepathy methinks. And THAT's not likely to happen - that jamming occurred when music was still more of a hobby to these guys, not a career. But B?C were never much for jamming anyway. Their songs were pretty much set pieces, apart from [TCt]LDoM... I doubt that Bloom/Roeser/Lanier in particular are at a point in their lives where they are searching for sounds and a musical future. They are looking to fund their retirement accounts, and (hopefully) enjoy what they are doing. And there's nothing wrong with that either. They've given us a bunch of great albums and concerts. If they can pad their bank acounts playing big outdoor shows over the summer, more power to them. That's what everyone else their age does, and B?C is a hell of a lot more vital than say, the Stones with their blatant fan exploitation... > Sadly, I don't get the sense that the weight of the band's past catalog will let > them go far afield from what's comfortable, except for the inclusion of Allen's > jamming in Last Days of May and the drum/bass solo in Godzilla. Yeah, and the two examples you mention, are the two saddest moments when I watch the "A Long Day's Night" DVD. First off, while I think it is GREAT to have Allen stretch out and provide a guitar solo or two, and get some recognition for the talented musician that he is, it is nearly criminal in my mind to have him soloing during Last Days of May - never mind that his style seems all wrong for the song Yet he's always played gtr on this tune. I don't object to his sound or style, but it just seems kind of silly to have him solo for 5 minutes knowing that Buck's tsunami will blast the place apart right afterward, much the way it happens on Harvest Moon. But, FWIW, it seens to work better on Harvest... (or that the volume was nowhere near loud enough on the DVD for Allen's solo) - that is simply Buck's song, and his guitar should carry it. There is nothing ANYONE could add to that tune, really. It is a signature tune for BD... As for the drum/bass solo, I've spoken my thoughts on this before, but one more time: 1) after some 25 or more years, it is getting really old to hear this in the same song, 2) the bass solo and drum solo should be in separate songs - not back to back, where they seem even more monotonous, 3) whatever the hell Danny was doing at the beginning of his solo on the LDN DVD, it doesn't work - he looks like a buffoon playing a single note on his bass and doing some sort of "wave" with the crowd - BORING Total agreement on all points. Esp. given that Bobby and Danny aren't original members. We're much more indulgent of Al doing a monster solo because he's--AL! theo From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 15 12:03:14 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:03:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fwd: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi In-Reply-To: <41486474.80200@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: OFF: Fwd: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi : :David, you're famous! :) This was posted on the discussion list for Bay :Area folk-rockers Tempest: : :-------- Original Message -------- :Subject: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi :Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:18:02 -0700 (PDT) : :Labor day weekend my wife and I attended the World :Science Fiction convention. This year it was held in :Boston. : :[...] : :Incidentally, the Boston convention also had a guitar :concert. It was 6 guys who at one time were all :students of Robert Fripp, and they were awesome! : heh. I also saw David performing, and can confirm that they were awesome ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 15 12:04:28 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:04:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi In-Reply-To: <41486474.80200@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > David, you're famous! :) This was posted on the discussion list for Bay > Area folk-rockers Tempest: Heh. I guess that wasn't the person who asked waht our names were. ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 15 12:15:11 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:15:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15/09/2004 16:52, Ted Jackson wrote: > We're much more indulgent of Al doing a monster > solo because he's--AL! Well, that and the fact that Al is one of the few drummers I've heard that can actually make a drum solo interesting on his own! (As opposed to multiple drummers/percussionists all going at it together, which IMO seems easier to carry off.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 15 12:15:29 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:15:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: [tempest-talk] Tempest - Boston - SciFi In-Reply-To: <41486474.80200@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > David, you're famous! BTW, if anyone is curious what one of the players's impression of the gig was, see: http://www.necircle.com/minutes/minutes.html See Arin? You were happy we played Bicycling to Afghanistan. We on the other hand were waiting for the wheels to come off, pun or no. :-) Let me tell you, when 2 of you are playing in 5, 2 more are playing in 7 (on purpose :-), and the 2 basses are playing in 4 (syncopated) but shifted an 1/8 note off the beat from where they are supposed to be playing, THAT is fear. I still don't know how we recovered. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 15 13:10:14 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:10:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <41486A8F.4@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't use for a "comfort" break! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 15 September 2004 17:15 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" On 15/09/2004 16:52, Ted Jackson wrote: > We're much more indulgent of Al doing a monster > solo because he's--AL! Well, that and the fact that Al is one of the few drummers I've heard that can actually make a drum solo interesting on his own! (As opposed to multiple drummers/percussionists all going at it together, which IMO seems easier to carry off.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 15 13:24:36 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:24:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <002d01c49b46$de3ea540$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 13:10, Tony wrote: > Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't use > for a "comfort" break! Matt Abts's solos are pretty cool. I hear he just got a "subwoofer"[1] for his bass drum that elevates the ass kicking up another notch. Cheers, Paul. [1] It looks like another bass drum fitted in front of his regular bass drum. Weird... -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 15 14:28:22 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:28:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:24:36 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >Matt Abts's solos are pretty cool. I hear he just got a "subwoofer"[1] >for his bass drum that elevates the ass kicking up another notch. > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >[1] It looks like another bass drum fitted in front of his regular bass >drum. Weird... Is it one of these? http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-YAP-SKRM100.html--src- D0401IN0HAMS0000.html They're based on the old studio technique of using a *speaker* as a microphone to record a bass drum (since both microphones & speakers convert between electrical signals and phsyical sound waves - by the same token, you *could* theoretically use a microphone as a speaker, but you would probably blow the diaphragm before the sound was loud enough to be audible). By mixing the signal (which is VERY low end) with a regular microphone signal, you get an extra-deep bass drum sound (similar effect to using a subwoofer) that can sound HUGE. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 15 14:55:27 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:55:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:28, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:24:36 -0400, Paul Mather > wrote: > >Matt Abts's solos are pretty cool. I hear he just got a "subwoofer"[1] > >for his bass drum that elevates the ass kicking up another notch. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > >[1] It looks like another bass drum fitted in front of his regular bass > >drum. Weird... > > Is it one of these? > http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-YAP-SKRM100.html--src- > D0401IN0HAMS0000.html > > They're based on the old studio technique of using a *speaker* as a > microphone to record a bass drum (since both microphones & speakers > convert between electrical signals and phsyical sound waves - by the same > token, you *could* theoretically use a microphone as a speaker, but you > would probably blow the diaphragm before the sound was loud enough to be > audible). By mixing the signal (which is VERY low end) with a regular > microphone signal, you get an extra-deep bass drum sound (similar effect > to using a subwoofer) that can sound HUGE. It's more like this: http://rsternconsulting.com/mule/_k1c3328.htm (Which is an actual photo of Matt in action from the recent Pompano, FL show. There are other photos accessible from there.) I don't know if it's the same idea. It looks like the bass drum mic is sandwiched between them both. BTW, "subwoofer" was a term someone on another list used. I think that was more for the effect created than actual construction. I still think it looks kind of weird. :-) Cheers, Paul. PS: Note cowbell on front of kit. "More cowbell!!!!!" ;-) -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 15 17:15:01 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:15:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Site In-Reply-To: <41480EEA.5080107@sunderland.ac.uk> Message-ID: Very interesting - well found! Mick --- John Cartledge wrote: > Dunno if most people on here have seen this. > However, for those who > haven't, this site is worth checking out: > > http://www.duchyparadefilms.com/hawkwind.htm > > Looks good. Maybe one of these days we'll actually > get to see it :-) > > John > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Systems Programmer > School Of Computing & Technology > University Of Sunderland > St Peter's Campus, St Peter's Way > North Sands, Sunderland > Tyne & Wear, UK > > There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who > understand > binary and those who don't!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Sep 15 19:08:00 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:08:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <4146D995.9000203@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:44:21PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:44:21PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Weird studio and mastering problems aside, the stuff sounds much cleaner > and fuller from _AoF_ on, at least to my ears. I mean, even today > _FoOU_ sounds really quite good -- sure, crispy and radio-friendly, but > good. I think I'll go listen to "Vengeance" now, actually ... Try listening to _FoUO_ on a really good stereo sometime. It's nicely clear and balanced, but it's compressed all to hell and gone (if I was going to go way out on a limb of guesswork, I'd say its sound was probably deliberately smashed down to make it sound good on FM radio, which it does). I really wish someone could go back and undo that particular part of the mastering process... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 15 21:00:05 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:00:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <002d01c49b46$de3ea540$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Tony wrote: > Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't > use > for a "comfort" break! That's because you're waiting for the one where I moon you! I practicing right now. Now if I can only find a large enough black dildo! Now please stop gassing me up because I might start believing you and besides I have to take out the garbage now. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 15 20:53:13 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:53:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <20040915190800.A24838@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > Try listening to _FoUO_ on a really good stereo sometime. > It's nicely clear and balanced, but it's compressed all to > hell and gone (if I was going to go way out on a limb of > guesswork, I'd say its sound was probably deliberately > smashed down to make it sound good on FM radio, which it > does). I really wish someone could go back and undo that > particular part of the mastering process... That compression is mostly the bank of 8 UA 1176 compressors that we used to compress everything from bass drum, to lead guitar to vocals and, yes, we did it to make it "radio-friendly." Probably can't be undone. I was just thinking today about those times and thinking about my thought process which was, I don't want to be a one hit band. I knew we had the goods again but the lack of ambition from the rest of the guys was worrying me (and Martin Birch). They couldn't understand why I was getting so crazy about every little thing and I think some of them were thinking I was making a power grab but honestly I was worried that we'd mess it up. From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Sep 16 06:33:58 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:33:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: ; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:53:13PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:53:13PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > > Try listening to _FoUO_ on a really good stereo sometime. > > It's nicely clear and balanced, but it's compressed all to > > hell and gone (if I was going to go way out on a limb of > > guesswork, I'd say its sound was probably deliberately > > smashed down to make it sound good on FM radio, which it > > does). I really wish someone could go back and undo that > > particular part of the mastering process... > > That compression is mostly the bank of 8 UA 1176 compressors that we > used to compress everything from bass drum, to lead guitar to vocals > and, yes, we did it to make it "radio-friendly." Probably can't be > undone. Dang, I was hoping that was the final stage of the mastering: to take the "whole sound" and smoosh it all in one pass, but what you're saying is either: (1) every individual element got compressed before it was recorded, in which case we can never restore the full sound, or (2) every individual element was compressed before they got mixed together, which would mean that to restore the full range of sound you'd have to go all the way back to the original recorded instrumental tracks and completely remix everything from the ground up? Either way, it does sound unlikely that it would happen. That's one thing that was a little disppointing about finally getting a good full range stereo system: a lot of albums that used to sound great to me now sound sadly lacking... > I was just thinking today about those times and thinking about my > thought process which was, I don't want to be a one hit band. I knew we > had the goods again but the lack of ambition from the rest of the guys > was worrying me (and Martin Birch). They couldn't understand why I was > getting so crazy about every little thing and I think some of them were > thinking I was making a power grab but honestly I was worried that we'd > mess it up. It's funny, I remember you once saying that you felt that Martin Birch was the producer who had "done the least" for BOC's sound. Oddly, in some ways that's what I liked best about his mixes, is that they sound really "transparent". I always got the impression, when listening to a Martin Birch produced album (and he produced quite a surprising number of my favorite hard rock and metal albums) that I was listening to the band, and not the producer (if that makes any sense). :-) My only real gripe with the albums he mixed (which I didn't even discover until pretty recently) was the huge amount of compression he used (or was that BOC's choice?). And I imagine that probably seemed like a very sensible choice in the context of the time... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Sep 16 06:40:03 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:40:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: ; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:00:05PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:00:05PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > Now please stop gassing me up because I might start believing > you and besides I have to take out the garbage now. "Easy guys, I put my pants on, just like the rest of you, one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records!" -- famous rock producer Bruce Dickinson -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 16 07:12:59 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:12:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <1095269075.22208.22.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 15/09/2004 18:24, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 13:10, Tony wrote: >> Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't use >> for a "comfort" break! > > Matt Abts's solos are pretty cool. I hear he just got a "subwoofer"[1] > for his bass drum that elevates the ass kicking up another notch. Oh, yeah, I remember his solos being pretty interesting, though I admit it's been a while since I heard one :( Oh, and Sami Kuoppam?ki, ex-Kingston Wall. One of the most amazing drummers I've heard. Not sure what he's doing these days, but he's phenomenal. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 16 07:15:18 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:15:18 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Arin Komins wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, dave hall wrote: > > :Here's one: > :Baker - Tim Blake -Bill Bruford (played in Gong briefly along with Blake) - > :Fripp > > huh. I didn't know that. > > Did Bruford last long enough to play on any gong albums? I wouldn't mind knowing that either; presumably he fitted in between Pyle and Moerlen, or was he post-_Angel's Egg_? Except that Moerlen's on _Fish Rising_ so presumably didn't fall out with anyone major just then. It's important after all as Bill Bruford connects you to absolutely everyone, and otherwise we have to take a longer route (such as Simon House [Japan] Richard Barbieri [Porcupine Tree] Steven Wilson [Bass Communion] Robert Fripp...) :-) Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 16 08:41:50 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:41:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone Message-ID: "Good music save your soul." -Motorhead, "R-A-M-O-N-E-S." From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Sep 16 08:55:38 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:55:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah... it's sad that every time I'm about to go on vacation someone musdically important passes away. last year at this time it was Johnny Cash. God save the Ramones, jason -- Quoting Brian Halligan : > "Good music save your soul." > -Motorhead, "R-A-M-O-N-E-S." > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Sep 16 09:01:14 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:01:14 +0200 Subject: OFF:Worldcon Message-ID: > Did Bruford last long enough to play on any gong albums? >I wouldn't mind knowing that either; presumably he fitted in >between Pyle and Moerlen, or was he post-_Angel's Egg_? Except that >Moerlen's on _Fish Rising_ so presumably didn't fall out with anyone major >just then. Is there a Gong family tree by Pete Frame? Maybe I dreamed that, but I seem to remember it with Bruford's name in there. Oh wait...maybe it's the one Daevid Allen drew himself in that "Mystery and History" CD booklet? Look in there for Bruford's name, somebody who has it close at hand (my copy is in the states). >It's important after all as Bill Bruford connects you to absolutely >everyone, and otherwise we have to take a longer route (such as >Simon House [Japan] Richard Barbieri [Porcupine Tree] Steven Wilson >[Bass Communion] Robert Fripp...) Shorter route...Simon House [David Bowie] Adrian Belew [King Crimson] Grakkl (FFA)* *alright, this whole acronym business forced me to do some research and learn that my phony acronym affiliation has been all wrong from the beginning. When I saw 12 Monkeys for the first time, I incorrectly remembered the acronym as "FAA" and the name of the organization (that fronted the Army of the 12 Monkeys) as "Friends of the Animals Association." As so that seemed appropriate following Mike Holmes' Friends of Fernando Po(o) (which I believe comes from Wilson's "Illuminatus"? oder?). But then I soon (but too late) "learned" that it was "Free the Animals Association" or "Freedom for the Animals Association." Or so I *thought* (until today). *Now* after having found the actual "12 Monkeys" script online, I realize that it isn't even FAA, but instead FFA, and it stands for "Freedom *for* Animals." So now I'll get it right, even though this is nothing like FoFP in form except that it starts with F. And now I realize that there's a *real* FFA organization in Toronto that's been making a big stink about some cat-snuffing movie or something at that Toronto film festival, so I gather they're radical beyond-PETA-types (?). So I want it to be known that I only claim allegiance to the fictional FFA that let the giraffes loose onto the "Short"kill Highway. :) From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Sep 16 09:37:19 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:37:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <1095339338.41498d4aa6053@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason, maybe you should consider staying home this year. Doesn't the house need painting? :-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason M. Scruton Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Johnny Ramone Yeah... it's sad that every time I'm about to go on vacation someone musdically important passes away. last year at this time it was Johnny Cash. God save the Ramones, jason -- Quoting Brian Halligan : > "Good music save your soul." > -Motorhead, "R-A-M-O-N-E-S." > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 16 13:02:39 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:02:39 -0500 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's in the History and Mystery Booklet, Bruford is listed under 'numerous drummers' in 74/75, but seemingly not on the recording of Angels Egg or You. I'd heard it was just one tour during that period. Moerlen is listed as the primary drummer during that period for the recordings. He must have taken a time out from live performance, or been doing extra percussion in addition to having a drummer live. I can't find any other reference to why Bruford was drumming. Of course it could have been a temporary Gong Family Spat, since Daevid was pretty much booted from his own band ;-) Pip Pyle is also listed as having drummed again for bits of that period, along with 2 other drummers. Moerlen was indeed an excellent drummer and performer I saw him with Gong at the Batuclan in paris in 1998. Superb! Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:01 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF:Worldcon > Did Bruford last long enough to play on any gong albums? >I wouldn't mind knowing that either; presumably he fitted in >between Pyle and Moerlen, or was he post-_Angel's Egg_? Except that >Moerlen's on _Fish Rising_ so presumably didn't fall out with anyone major >just then. Is there a Gong family tree by Pete Frame? Maybe I dreamed that, but I seem to remember it with Bruford's name in there. Oh wait...maybe it's the one Daevid Allen drew himself in that "Mystery and History" CD booklet? Look in there for Bruford's name, somebody who has it close at hand (my copy is in the states). From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Sep 16 14:38:42 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (Alan Linsley) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:38:42 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- Rich wrote: > I'd heard it was just one tour during that period. >From the Brief History on www.planetgong.co.uk - "Laurie ALLAN returns for the UK tour, he is busted for drugs whilst crossing the Franco-German border and was forbidden ever to enter France again. He was replaced by Bill BRUFORD for the remainder of the dates in Germany, Holland and Norway." I've got a disc somewhere of an FM broadcast from a gig at Postaula Bremen which allegedly includes Bruford, 4 Nov 74. AL ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 16 15:04:37 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:04:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:41:50 -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: >"Good music save your soul." >-Motorhead, "R-A-M-O-N-E-S." Not unexpected, but very sad to know that all three Ramones co-founders are gone, all too soon. Hearing them for the first time around 1980 had as much of an impact on me as hearing Hawkwind for the first time four years later. Gabba Gabba Hey! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Sep 16 15:49:50 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:49:50 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBPRkY6IEpvaG5ueSBSYW1vbmU=?= Message-ID: Ironically, there's a lot of media attention being paid to Green Day right now, because it's roughly the 10th anniversary of their "Dookie" album. Just read an article today at MTV.com where all these young pop-punk bands of today are talking about what an "influence" Green Day was on them when they were kids. The music industry is in a sad state indeed. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Doug Pearson >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:04:37 > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:41:50 -0400, Brian Halligan > wrote: > >>"Good music save your soul." >>-Motorhead, "R-A-M-O-N-E-S." > >Not unexpected, but very sad to know that all three >Ramones co-founders >are gone, all too soon. Hearing them for the first >time around 1980 had >as much of an impact on me as hearing Hawkwind for >the first time four >years later. > >Gabba Gabba Hey! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 17 01:37:58 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:37:58 -0400 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 03:01:14PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > Grakkl (FFA)* > When I saw 12 Monkeys for the first time, I incorrectly > remembered the acronym as "FAA" [........] Well that explains that. Feel like dropping the other shoe? :-) What's the Grakkl part? > As so that seemed appropriate following Mike Holmes' Friends of Fernando > Po(o) (which I believe comes from Wilson's "Illuminatus"? oder?). Yup. Both spellings seem to be acceptable, but Wilson spells it "Poo", presumably for effect. I imagine he looked for the tiniest place with the silliest name he could find. > And now I realize that there's a > *real* FFA organization in Toronto that's been making a big stink about some > cat-snuffing movie or something at that Toronto film festival, so I gather > they're radical beyond-PETA-types (?). Oh, sure, blame it *all* on Toronto why don't you? Just because we get three of the top ten in the Google rankings. Well I'll have you know California gets *five*! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 17 04:14:58 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:14:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <200409161949.i8GJnobl8025530@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: On 16/09/2004 20:49, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > Ironically, there's a lot of media attention being paid to Green Day right now, because it's roughly the 10th anniversary of their "Dookie" album. Just read an article today at MTV.com where all these young pop-punk bands of today are talking about what an "influence" Green Day was on them when they were kids. The music industry is in a sad state indeed. Well, it is in a sad state, but then it's probably always been in a sad state. (Possibly the failure to cope with new delivery mediums and such is an extra sad case, but hardly surprising, really). I mean, since when have kids not listened to whatever was surrounding them and been influenced by it. How could people who were kids when the first Green Day album broke big _not_ be influenced by it? If this is _so_ different than anything that's happened before? Sure, its unfortunate that so much money and effort is spent to ensure people hear stuff that isn't very good, but that's true for the mass-marketing of anything. The gourmets just gotta work a bit harder .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 17 05:51:00 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:51:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > Not unexpected, but very sad to know that all three Ramones co-founders > are gone, all too soon. Hearing them for the first time around 1980 had > as much of an impact on me as hearing Hawkwind for the first time four > years later. Ah the days are gone when I used to harass DJ's to play Silver Machine, Caroline and Blitzkreig Bop. In the end theey used to play them when I came into the hall because they knew I'd just get everyone I knew to request them until they did. Hey Ho, Let's go... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 17 05:53:10 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:53:10 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > > As so that seemed appropriate following Mike Holmes' Friends of Fernando > > Po(o) (which I believe comes from Wilson's "Illuminatus"? oder?). Imagine my confusion when I got back from Germany to discover that Margaret Thatcher's son is under arrest in South Africa under suspicion of financing a coup in Fernando Poo! Sometimes it just does get weird enough for me. FoFP From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Sep 17 07:27:11 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:27:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone Message-ID: >>> cea at CARLAZ.COM 9/17/2004 4:14:58 AM >>> I mean, since when have kids not listened to whatever was surrounding them and been influenced by it. How could people who were kids when the first Green Day album broke big _not_ be influenced by it? If this is _so_ different than anything that's happened before? You read the guitar mags, and this is crystal clear. So many old geezer guitarists will say they saw Elvis with a guitar on TV--even though it was essentially a prop--and they had to get one. Skip a generation, and you'll read how guys were obsessed with the guitar after seeing Kiss. And these are invariably guys who went on to make great music, far outstripping their 'influences...' Sure, its unfortunate that so much money and effort is spent to ensure people hear stuff that isn't very good, but that's true for the mass-marketing of anything. The gourmets just gotta work a bit harder .... Yep, and the people who 'get it' will always uncover the good stuff... theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 17 11:10:30 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:10:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <414A9D02.5000007@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:14:58AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Well, it is in a sad state, but then it's probably always been in a sad > state. Hmmm, I was going to make a comment, but it seems I made it once before :-) http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0004D&L=BOC-L&P=R3521&I=-3 -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Sep 18 12:29:51 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:29:51 -0500 Subject: :-) Urgent Help! In-Reply-To: <000901c49cbe$74015460$238e9c51@yourqrsvl2djs5> Message-ID: Wahey! I now have a travel permit to come back to the UK. So we will be over in Blighty during part of December. Does anyone have the tentative list of HW dates for December. I'd love to wait for the official list but we are going to have to guesstimate, since flights need to be booked in the next few days or we will be paying a fortune. Anyone? Rich From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 19 11:35:37 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:35:37 +0100 Subject: HW: BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > JJ queries... > > www.pothead.de gets you their site. Cheers for that... > >How were Outskirts of Infinity? > > I liked them quite alot, but was only familiar with just a small fraction of > their stuff ahead of time since their CDs are so rare. (Luckily I found one > at the fest.) My review of the whole event will appear shortly on AI.com, > so I'll let you know when it's up. That CD presumably being _Incident at Pilatus_? I've got that and it was sort of like the first time I saw them but nothing like a fair reflction of the second, despite that being almost the same line-up. Second time was far far meatier and more solid than the rather thin overstretched tracks on _Pilatus_ IMO; the rhythm section played the tunes at high octane speed and Bari just went stratospheric over the top and occasionally came back down to find out what the other two were doing. It worked amazingly well, the rhythm section being confident enough to carry the gig by themselves made it possible for Bari to actually do what he doe sbest, which IMO is *not* lead a band. The first OoI album is one of the many things I really wish Woronozw thought it was financially worthwhile getting re-pressed... > The Bevis Frond will also be playing the Standard Music Venue, Walthamstow, > London (opposite Blackhorse Road Underground station) on October the 10th > supported by The Outskirts of Infinity. Tickets only available at the door > on the day of the show. I'm going to do my utmost to make it to that, but it's going to e tricky. Thankyou for the notice however, as you got it to me faster than Woronzow did... Yours, Jon ObCD: Wire - _On Returning (1977-1979)_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Sep 19 15:09:42 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:09:42 +0100 Subject: :-) Urgent Help! Message-ID: Well I'm waiting another few weeks yet before even thinking about making travel plans. Booking ahead for Hawkwind has always been on something of a wing and a prayer and anything advertised more than a couple of months ahead may represent nothing more than a triumph of Hope over Reality. Furthermore given that it has been very quiet of late and given that if a new record was due to be released soon you'd expect some publicity/promotion would have started appearing - at the very least on the web site if not in the music press instead of total silence (especially since there was all that enthusiasm when the original advertising flyers were issued months ago) - and given that there appear to have been several significant departures over the summer it wouldn't entirely surprise me to discover that there has been a rather large scale shelving of plans. But there's still the whole of October to go so I'm not being too pessimistic just yet - there's still time for things to suddenly spring to life if everyone is simply having a well-deserved summer rest. However if nothing has happened by the end of October I wonder....... jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: :-) Urgent Help! > Wahey! I now have a travel permit to come back to the UK. So we will be over > in Blighty during part of December. Does anyone have the tentative list of > HW dates for December. I'd love to wait for the official list but we are > going to have to guesstimate, since flights need to be booked in the next > few days or we will be paying a fortune. > > Anyone? > > Rich > > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 20 06:16:26 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:16:26 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Confirmed Tour Dates Message-ID: Just to let you know that I've had a brief message from the band themselves, apparently a few computer gremlins at their end, as well as Holidays etc has led to the lack of communication in recent times. They would like me to pass on the so far confirmed dates for the "Take Me To Your Leader Tour 2004" These are Oct 23rd - Cheltenham Town Hall Oct 28th - Bournemouth BIC Dec 9th - Telford Oakengates Theatre Dec 10th - Swindon Oasis Dec 17th - Cambridge Corn Exchange Dec 18th - Exeter Arts Centre I am told others will be added in the near future as and when these are finalized. For further details I've posted the dates on a new page at the Hawkwind museum together with additional booking details, this can be found at - http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/2004_autumn.htm I'll pass on any further info as and when i get it cheers Dave From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 20 15:07:19 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:07:19 +0100 Subject: :-) Urgent Help! In-Reply-To: <003d01c49e7c$399d4d00$984b2952@sherlock> Message-ID: Significant departures over the summer??? There were only 3 members left in April - who is there left now??- Has Dave finally gone solo??! :) Mick --- Jill Strobridge wrote: > Well I'm waiting another few weeks yet before even > thinking about > making travel plans. Booking ahead for Hawkwind > has always been > on something of a wing and a prayer and anything > advertised more > than a couple of months ahead may represent nothing > more than a > triumph of Hope over Reality. > > Furthermore given that it has been very quiet of > late and given > that if a new record was due to be released soon > you'd expect some > publicity/promotion would have started appearing - > at the very > least on the web site if not in the music press > instead of total > silence (especially since there was all that > enthusiasm when the > original advertising flyers were issued months ago) > - and given > that there appear to have been several significant > departures over > the summer it wouldn't entirely surprise me to > discover that there > has been a rather large scale shelving of plans. > > But there's still the whole of October to go so I'm > not being too > pessimistic just yet - there's still time for things > to suddenly > spring to life if everyone is simply having a > well-deserved summer > rest. > > However if nothing has happened by the end of > October I > wonder....... > > jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:29 PM > Subject: :-) Urgent Help! > > > > Wahey! I now have a travel permit to come back to > the UK. So we > will be over > > in Blighty during part of December. Does anyone > have the > tentative list of > > HW dates for December. I'd love to wait for the > official list but > we are > > going to have to guesstimate, since flights need > to be booked in > the next > > few days or we will be paying a fortune. > > > > Anyone? > > > > Rich > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 20 16:40:07 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:40:07 +0100 Subject: HW Mission Control In-Reply-To: <20040920190719.20238.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's an interesting update in the latest info on Mission control - new material mentioned for the tour which I don't think was due to appear on the album (or IS it??) Also there is voting link for Hawkfest 2005 - unfortunately this link doesn't work for me. I would vote for same venue as 2003 - but 2002 was great too apart from the curfew being too early - anywhere private really would suit me. Mick ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Sep 20 16:56:12 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:56:12 -0500 Subject: HW Mission Control In-Reply-To: <20040920204007.51777.qmail@web86209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Michael Crook wrote: :Subject: Re: HW Mission Control : : There's an interesting update in the latest info on :Mission control - new material mentioned for the tour :which I don't think was due to appear on the album (or :IS it??) : :Also there is voting link for Hawkfest 2005 - :unfortunately this link doesn't work for me. The link is just an HTML mailto one. So if it didn't work for you, and you are still interested, send email to: hawkfest at cy-b.org with a subject line of "Hawkfest Region Vote" (minus the quotes). ...and that should be all you need to do ;-) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 20 16:59:03 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:59:03 +0100 Subject: HW Mission Control Message-ID: wierd! when i checked the hawkwind website from work the updates where there but when i chek the website from home the updates are gone! colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: HW Mission Control > There's an interesting update in the latest info on > Mission control - new material mentioned for the tour > which I don't think was due to appear on the album (or > IS it??) > > Also there is voting link for Hawkfest 2005 - > unfortunately this link doesn't work for me. > > I would vote for same venue as 2003 - but 2002 was > great too apart from the curfew being too early - > anywhere private really would suit me. > > Mick > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 20 19:22:40 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:22:40 +0100 Subject: HW Mission Control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Arin - Not sure if Rik or Hawkpeople check this list out any more so I'll follow your advice!! Looking forward to seeing you and Rich on the forthcoming tour -!! Mick --- Arin Komins wrote: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Michael Crook wrote: > > :Subject: Re: HW Mission Control > : > : There's an interesting update in the latest info > on > :Mission control - new material mentioned for the > tour > :which I don't think was due to appear on the album > (or > :IS it??) > : > :Also there is voting link for Hawkfest 2005 - > :unfortunately this link doesn't work for me. > > The link is just an HTML mailto one. So if it > didn't work for you, and > you are still interested, send email to: > > hawkfest at cy-b.org with a subject line of "Hawkfest > Region Vote" (minus the > quotes). > > ...and that should be all you need to do ;-) > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 21 13:44:32 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:44:32 +0100 Subject: Galactic Patrol alert: bootleg sales Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=68046& item=4038327682&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=68046& item=4038327956&rd=1 From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Sep 22 00:41:30 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:41:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Ebay - Calvert Queen Eliz Collectors Set In-Reply-To: <20040920190719.20238.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Attention all this one doesn't come up very often: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4039002951&r d=1 The Calvert Collectors set of 'Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall' Vinyl with the T shirt and poster. Rich From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Sep 22 06:31:07 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:31:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: G For Germany - redux Message-ID: I've just spent 8 days on Harris & Lewis, and the latter (with the exception of the park in Stornoway) is almost completely devoid of trees. However, the Callanish complex of stone circles is worthe the ferry trip all on its own! Cheers ChrisW > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:42:47 +0100 > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: OFF: G For Germany - redux > > M Holmes wrote: > > Britain must look nude to Germans. > > Britain doesn't just _look_ nude, it _is_ nude ;) Even after > all these years, I'm alarmed by a landscape that, considering > the relatively decent number of _plants_, seems strangely > devoid of _trees_ .... Ah well, I guess there's always the > HMS Victory exhibit to go look at :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Sep 22 09:59:36 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:59:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: G For Germany - redux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. Callanish, Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is fantastic I would recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing trees are weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out what's wrong with the picture. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of CWarburton at OAG.COM Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:31 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: G For Germany - redux I've just spent 8 days on Harris & Lewis, and the latter (with the exception of the park in Stornoway) is almost completely devoid of trees. However, the Callanish complex of stone circles is worthe the ferry trip all on its own! Cheers ChrisW > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:42:47 +0100 > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: OFF: G For Germany - redux > > M Holmes wrote: > > Britain must look nude to Germans. > > Britain doesn't just _look_ nude, it _is_ nude ;) Even after > all these years, I'm alarmed by a landscape that, considering > the relatively decent number of _plants_, seems strangely > devoid of _trees_ .... Ah well, I guess there's always the > HMS Victory exhibit to go look at :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Sep 22 10:34:00 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:34:00 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:52:05 +0100 > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: OFF: Hi Again > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I don't rate Foo Fighters myself, but maybe I just haven't > > heard the good stuff. I'd back Queens of the Stone Age against them > > for the MTV2-friendly end of things, but now that QotSA are working > > without Nick Oliveri *or* Dave Grohl I think their tiem may be over. > > I never found either QotSA or the Foo Fighters fully > satisfying. I mean, the Foos particularly have occasionally > turned out well-crafted little pop-rock numbers -- I'll snap > fingers whilst humming along to "Times Like These" with the > best of 'em -- I've never warmed to either band's output as a > whole. They just never seemed like enough _fun_. Well, I don't know about "fun" as such, but the more I hear of the Foos, the more I like them. I took Julius to see them (his first real gig) and we had a rocking good time - the only downside being that it was ****ing Wembley Arena and we were stuck at the back on thye sideways seats... QotSA do alright for me too, but my personal advice is to avoid "The Eagles Of Death Metal" side project like the plague - and no, they're not death-metal in any shape or form, more like a bad country-polka-rock band. > > But yeah, even I begin to worry that the new bands aren't > > coming up like they used to. I'm in the wrong place to be seeing it > > though because Cambridge's music scene is dead as Dawson and Crick. There are new bands coming through, but they're not necessarily (at the moment) to the taste of habitu?s of this list - the whole ska/punk scene seems to be truly thriving judging by my son's idea of a good night out. Jon may wish to note that Josiah (who opened Canterbury a coupla years back) are still going, and appear to be recording now (I heard some stuff on (believe it or not) Radio Scotland while on holiday. While I wouldn't knock tribute/cover bands - I was most entertained by Whole Lotta Led recently - I think that the large number of them that are touring may be having a stultifying effect on small venues. > Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a no-frills spacerock > band? :) Sounds good to me, if we can synchronise our calendars and find a suitable location to rehearse... > Cheers, > Carl TTFN ChrisW NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Sep 22 10:46:51 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:46:51 +0200 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind OK... (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, that the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. Anyway the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something more innocuous in the true subject line.) >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. Callanish, >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is fantastic I would >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing trees are >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out what's wrong >with the picture. So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north (Scotland), unless I'm mistaken. Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, and thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has service on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a 'triangular' trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And then the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before heading home. I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) were good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage size/height (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or spacious). That sort of thing. Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was probably going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) fits with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more special gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things considered. And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I had thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon House he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n Black turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that seemed to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW (which I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it now seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto the stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I didn't know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own Keith Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. Any word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, Cap'n Black? And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December around this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? Grakkl* (FFA) *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I can tell) ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room Happening in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, and Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the riffs are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg after HW.) P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy progrock theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already hard for bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even thwarted as innocent bystanders! P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set changes since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new album? Did anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Sep 22 10:53:42 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:53:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Motorhead/Warrior CD Question Message-ID: > On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:25:03 -0400 > Doug Pearson wrote > Subject: > > Live Chronicles is probably the most significant one, > especially since the inclusion of the Moorcock poems allowed > some really BAD edits to be un-done (like the one at the very > beginning between the announcement, "Welcome to the chronicle > of the black sword" and "Song of the Swords" - I always > wondered why the edit in the original version was so horrid). > Even though it's still missing the encore medley (gotta buy > the dvd for that) ... If you don't mind listening to just the left hand channel with a sound level so low that if you forget to turn your amp down before switching to something else you'll embed the voice-coils of your speakers in the opposite wall (assuming that you're not sat in the way *G* ChrisW NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 22 11:02:11 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:02:11 -0400 Subject: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Henderson Keith : > And then > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before > heading home. Whoh! I have heard many terms used to describe IQ, but sappy is not one of them (the occasional sappy song notwithstanding :-) They are one of the darkest neo-prog bands ever (though I seem to be the only one who thinks their latest, Dark Matter, is not really all that dark)! > P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy progrock > theme) Now they can definitely be sappy. :-) But I think Marbles is the best thing they've done in years (but only the 2CD version with Ocean Cloud!) > was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens > that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already hard for > bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even thwarted as > innocent bystanders! Wow, knew about Cat Stevens but not about Marillion. > P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set changes > since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new album? Did > anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) When Caravn had to cancel the gig in Arlington, MA (two blocks away from my house!) due to visa problems, I asked for a refund... -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Sep 22 11:21:53 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually Callanish is the only one on a Scottish Island, it's on the isle of Lewis off to the west of Scotland. Castlerigg is just outside Keswick in the English Lake District, much further north than telford ;-) Avebury is the most accessible, also being relatively near Stonehenge, and Silbury Hill. Relatively doable if you are hitting a gig in Swindon. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:47 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: tour Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind OK... (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, that the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. Anyway the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something more innocuous in the true subject line.) >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. Callanish, >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is fantastic I would >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing trees are >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out what's wrong >with the picture. So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north (Scotland), unless I'm mistaken. Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, and thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has service on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a 'triangular' trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And then the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before heading home. I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) were good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage size/height (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or spacious). That sort of thing. Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was probably going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) fits with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more special gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things considered. And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I had thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon House he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n Black turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that seemed to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW (which I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it now seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto the stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I didn't know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own Keith Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. Any word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, Cap'n Black? And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December around this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? Grakkl* (FFA) *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I can tell) ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room Happening in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, and Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the riffs are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg after HW.) P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy progrock theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already hard for bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even thwarted as innocent bystanders! P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set changes since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new album? Did anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 22 11:36:34 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:36:34 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/09/2004 15:34, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > Well, I don't know about "fun" as such, but the more I > hear of the Foos, the more I like them. I took Julius > to see them (his first real gig) and we had a rocking > good time No doubt they rock and are doing better stuff than many, though just kinda get more into the like of Monster Magnet's "we are _waay_ over the top" schtick. I mean, Dave Grohl is a stupidly successful rock star, so he ought to sound like he's having a cooler time, IMO ;) I should check out his Probot project, maybe .... > While I wouldn't knock tribute/cover bands - I was most entertained > by Whole Lotta Led recently - I think that the large number of > them that are touring may be having a stultifying effect on small > venues. Yeah, and while I think I may have been entertained by Whole Lotta Led or someone like them at a gig a few years ago, I'd kinda rather hear a proper band chuck a Zep song into the setlist. (Recalling that I'm hardly one to speak -- the little band of "dudes from the office" I play with has played almost entirely covers at its few gigs, though now that the guys feel a bit more confident we've been getting some more original material together ....) > >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a no-frills spacerock >> band? :) > > Sounds good to me, if we can synchronise our calendars and find a suitable location to rehearse... Well, I know a place in Cambridge to rehearse -- but then, as you see, it's in Cambridge! Otherwise, we'll have to gather all virtual spacerockers together to collaborate online (no-frills _hi-tech_ spacerock band ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 22 11:37:49 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:37:49 -0400 Subject: OFF test post - please ignore Message-ID: test post - please ignore From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed Sep 22 11:28:55 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:28:55 +0200 Subject: off: Sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And then > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before > heading home. > We're working on a case this very minute, be prepared to have Your premises searched! From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 22 11:39:11 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:39:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles Message-ID: What's the matter with the 'Merry Maidens" then ? :-} From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Sep 22 11:39:09 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... Message-ID: Hey... Just a few non-related oddities, so separate from the other posting. Yesterday I saw a CD in the store called "Tribute to Evanescence" or something. Now I've been on record several times saying that this fad-that-won't-die is damn annoying and wastes a bunch of talented (enough) musicians time and effort that could have been spent on creating something interesting and different. But this has to be now approaching ridiculous. I mean, unless I'm totally out of it, Evanescence is a brand new band! With exactly one album. To keep up this pace, we'll need to start having tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet. On the subject of *not* creating anything interesting, I laughed uncontrollably this morning at the new Onion article about Matchbox 20 (link below). I think everbody here should enjoy this. Even if you don't know (much about) Matchbox 20, like me. (Despite knowing Evanescence, (well, my brother gave me a copy), I'm pretty well out of it...eg, I've never heard Coldplay I don't think. And it was only recently that I was subjected to the stunning awfulness that is the Darkness.) And as much as being 'out of it' would seem to be beneficial and perhaps a feat to be proud of managing, I'd rather at least know what is really going on in rock music (if anything) these days. I mean, I have nothing against jumping onto a popular bandwagon movement if one was actually producing a lot of good music. IMHO, that *did* kind of happen during the late 80s/early 90s in alternative music, though much of what I liked then has already aged very badly on me. But the heavy metal bands are radical extreme from what I can tell (I saw something called Children of Bodom and In Flames in Budapest, and the latter was marginally tolerable while the former was not), so what is going on in mainstream music these days...is it really all dance or "urban" based crap these days? Tool was popular not so long ago, and that was surprisingly encouraging...but what has happened from that anomaly? Anything? http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4038&n=1 And Green Day...were they *really* a big deal? I thought they only hit it big on that one album before drifting off towards obscurity. I still have to think for a minute as to whether they were the band that preceded Mother Love Bone and Mudhoney (?) in the Seattle movement, but that was Green River. I suppose *they* might be cited as having some "influence" to the onslaught of alternative/punk revival or whatever, but Green Day? Those guys from Portland who pretended they were English? Grakkl (FFA) P.S. Awhile ago, I saw this article listing the top 10 sci-fi films of all time, as voted on by a consortium of scientists in England. The list is fairly lame I thought, though many of them are at least decent movies. The inclusion of Star Wars (sci-fi? c'mon, really?) is sickening, though in the article they admit that "the first two films of the original Star Wars trilogy make it onto the list probably for reasons of nostalgia rather than science." The same might be said about Alien, which was nothing but suspense/horror IIRC. Solaris intrigues me though...don't really know much about this movie (the original I mean, not the George Clooney remake, which I haven't seen either), and I can only find a version with German subtitles (or overdubs, can't remember), since it was done in Russia(n). Is it worth searching out for next time I'm in the UK? I'd rather have English, though the German practice might be worthwhile. Anyway, the worst here must be the Matrix, which was pathetic IMHO....I guess it's a good thing I didn't see II and III, which I've heard were even progressively worse! Anyway, Brazil (closer to Sci-fi than 3 & 4!), A.I., and Dark City are some of the obvious omissions here IMHO. 1. Blade Runner (1982) 2. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 3. Star Wars (1977)/Empire Strikes Back (1980) 4. Alien (1979) 5. Solaris (1972) 6. Terminator (1984)/T2: Judgment day (1991) 7. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) 8. War of the Worlds (1953) 9. The Matrix (1999) 10. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) P.P.S. I'm *almost* finished reading the Red Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. Intriguing many times, but man, can he bore the pants off you. Christ, am I supposed to be impressed that his geologist wife (who once did a post-doc here at EAWAG in Zuerich, a 'co-institute' of ETH just like 'mine,' which is why the book has so much Swiss trivia in it, though he got some of that wrong, even!) coached him on how to sound plausible in every little detail about how the 'world' works? I mean, it's *fiction,* I don't really care as long as it isn't ridiculously *im*plausible. If I wanted to learn that much about *science* here in my spare time, I'd have read a damn *science* paper, and I get paid for that anyway. And then, how many times does he have to club us over the head with anecdotes that show us that certain characters have certain personality characteristics (this one moody, this one vindictive, this one reserved, this one subversive, etc.). Uh, this epic story could have been done in less than half the 4,142,045 pages that are there. I guess Jim Cameron has the rights to do a movie about it. (?) Man, he'll need to do 10 movies to get all this crap in there. Still, I didn't give up 'cause there are a few interesting things there that are more hopeful than what the human race is currently doing. But winning two major awards for the first two books? Don't see how. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Sep 22 12:02:56 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:02:56 +0200 Subject: OFF: sappy prog Message-ID: DK said... Quoting Henderson Keith : >>And then >>the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would >>plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before >>heading home. >Whoh! I have heard many terms used to describe IQ, but sappy is not one of >them (the occasional sappy song notwithstanding :-) They are one of the >darkest neo-prog bands ever "Dark neo-prog" is an oxymoron IMHO. :) No, I don't think iQ is dark. They're "fake" dark, maybe. I find them very warm, in fact. Dreamy textures, the types of keyboards, the production? I don't know what it is, but something takes true 'darkness' out of my mind when listening to them. The only dark thing is Nicholls brooding voice perhaps. Some of the Scandinavian bands are "true" dark IMHO. Some Anekdoten, Circle, Landberk...those are much darker than iQ I think. Maybe 'sappy' wasn't the right word, as I wasn't thinking of 'love-song' sappy (though iQ has done these occasionally too) but instead 'pretty' and 'non-edgy' sort of prog. And that they are, whether it's due to production or the instrumentation. Same as Marillion in that aspect (though Fugazi was produced vastly differently for some odd reason, and not at all very well IMHO...though in that way it had more edge, which for Marillion maybe wasn't the best thing, as it was thereby a bit 'forced'). >(though I seem to be the only one who thinks their latest, >Dark Matter, is not really all that dark)! I see no difference whatsoever between Dark Matter and Subterranea stylistically/soundwise, and indeed I like both albums quite a lot. I don't have the one in the middle...I assume it was similar? >Now they can definitely be sappy. :-) But I think Marbles is the best >thing they've done in years (but only the 2CD version with Ocean Cloud!) I got the 1CD version, which was my first taste since the awful "Radiation." But whereas some of the songs on Marbles (particularly Track 1) were rather nice (in studio), their live show was as boring as anything I've ever seen. They don't seem to have a clue about what works on stage and what doesn't. I won't ever go again I don't think. >When Caravan had to cancel the gig in Arlington, MA (two blocks away from >my house!) due to visa problems, I asked for a refund... Hmmm...Nektar are really (still) very good. Their live performances have *twice* the energy as their discs, the exact opposite of Marillion, Marbles vintage. (My first Marillion show, Cleveland-Seasons End tour, was *outstanding*...everything that they are *not* these days.) Grakkl (FFA) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 22 12:39:40 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/09/2004 16:39, Henderson Keith wrote: > To keep up this pace, we'll need to start having > tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet. Good idea! :) > On the subject of *not* creating anything interesting, I laughed > uncontrollably this morning at the new Onion article about Matchbox 20 (link > below). I think everbody here should enjoy this. Yeah, I saw that too! Bang on target :) That did the rounds where I work and got a fair few chuckles .... > I've never heard > Coldplay I don't think. You ain't missing much! Vaguely miserable, whining soft pop-rock. > And it was only recently that I was subjected to > the stunning awfulness that is the Darkness. Kinda like the Comic Strip's "Bad News" made flesh! > I mean, I have nothing against jumping onto a popular bandwagon > movement if one was actually producing a lot of good music. Amen. > P.S. Awhile ago, I saw this article listing the top 10 sci-fi films of all > time, as voted on by a consortium of scientists in England. The list is > fairly lame I thought, though many of them are at least decent movies. The > inclusion of Star Wars (sci-fi? c'mon, really?) is sickening, though in the > article they admit that "the first two films of the original Star Wars > trilogy make it onto the list probably for reasons of nostalgia rather than > science." I will defend the coolness of the first two films to the death :) But they're really fantasy films -- space opera -- rather than proper sci-fi. But, hey, I like space opera :) > The same might be said about Alien, which was nothing but > suspense/horror IIRC. Solaris intrigues me though...don't really know much > about this movie (the original I mean, not the George Clooney remake, which > I haven't seen either), and I can only find a version with German subtitles > (or overdubs, can't remember), since it was done in Russia(n). Is it worth > searching out for next time I'm in the UK? I'd rather have English, though > the German practice might be worthwhile. I've seen this, in an arts cinema or at an sf con once upon a time I think, with English subs, so a English subbed version must exist, though gods only know if it ever went to DVD. My brain must be affected by post-modern short attention-span disorder, since ... I remember it as being very, very tedious ;) I don't recall whether I stuck it all the way through, or whether I sloped off during an intermission! > Anyway, the worst here must be the > Matrix, which was pathetic IMHO....I guess it's a good thing I didn't see II > and III, which I've heard were even progressively worse! I didn't see III, though II was worse than I. But I was a pretty OK action flick, I thought. I mean, its sci-fi angle was pretty old hat, but so are most sci-fi angles. I guess it just hit its audiences at the right time or something. I think I saw it on an airplane and, yeah, the hype didn't really live up to the reality. Though I saw it on DVD later and, OK, it was fun while it lasted. > Anyway, Brazil > (closer to Sci-fi than 3 & 4!), A.I., and Dark City are some of the obvious > omissions here IMHO. Didn't really dig A.I. Actually, I'd say there's probably been some cool sci-fi anime that got (unsurprisingly) overlooked, but I haven't been keeping up with what's current in anime, so I'm not sure .... > P.P.S. I'm *almost* finished reading the Red Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley > Robinson. Intriguing many times, but man, can he bore the pants off you. > Christ I liked the first one, especially when the thingygummy fell over at the end -- that was cool :) But somewhere in the 2nd book I stopped caring about any of the characters or what happened to them. My fave KSR book remains _Escape from Kathmandu_ :) > I guess Jim Cameron has the rights to do a movie about it. > (?) Man, he'll need to do 10 movies to get all this crap in there. Ditch the crap and there might be a couple of movies worth of entertainment there :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 22 13:03:30 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:03:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: + ++ + Greetings Star Warriors + + + ++ ++ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Upcoming Tour Dates: OCTOBER Oct 23rd - Cheltenham, Town Hall - 01242-227979 Oct 28th - Bournemouth, BIC - 0870-1113000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DECEMBER Thursday 9th December - Telford, Oakengates Theatre - 01952-619020 Friday 10th December - Swindon ,Oasis - 01793-445401 Friday 17th December - Cambridge, Corn Exchange - 01223-357851 Saturday 18th December - Exeter, Phoenix Arts Centre - 01392-667080 Possible London Date 19th Dec......... (TBC) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please see MISSION CONTROL for other updates and info www.hawkwind.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + +++ MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++ + From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Sep 22 13:24:13 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:24:13 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) In-Reply-To: <41519C02.9010407@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > (Recalling that I'm hardly one to speak -- the little band of "dudes > from the office" I play with has played almost entirely covers at its > few gigs, though now that the guys feel a bit more confident we've been > getting some more original material together ....) If any of it ends up as good as "Wolf at the Door", you should offer it to the list. I kept that tune on my MP3.com station for ages. Brian From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 22 13:38:49 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:38:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Solaris intrigues me though...don't really know much >about this movie (the original I mean, not the George Clooney remake, which >I haven't seen either), and I can only find a version with German subtitles >(or overdubs, can't remember), since it was done in Russia(n). Is it worth >searching out for next time I'm in the UK? Solaris was made by Andrei Tarkovsky, a truly great director IMHO, but I wouldn't say it was one of his best films. If you've never seen a Tarkovsky film, it's worth knowing that they tend to be a) very long and b) very slow. At best they are like celluloid meditations, at worst they lapse into serious tedium. Solaris has a particularly celebrated/notorious sequence, early on in the movie, where the central character is driving through a system of road tunnels (we're still on Earth at this point) and there is something like ten uninterrupted minutes of tracking shots of the tunnel walls flashing past. This actually looks great, but certainly goes on for long enough to make viewers a little restless. However there are people who rate Solaris as one of the greatest films ever made. Its reputation was probably hurt somewhat by being tagged as the "Soviet answer to 2001" by some sections of the press, and the two were compared in a sort of head-to- head way in some reviews at the time. I haven't seen the Cloonified remake, but I imagine it would be much more in keeping with the conventions of big budget cinema. Tarkovsky made another film, "Stalker", which could loosely be described as sci-fi, and I much prefer that to Solaris. It has a total cast of about four people IIRC, and features a long journey through a mysterious "zone" in the wake of some kind of catastrophe. The deeper themes are quite similar to Solaris, in that travel through a strange realm or space becomes a metaphor for the acquisition of self-knowledge. My favourite Tarkovsky film (though I haven't seen them all) is probably either "Stalker" or "The Sacrifice". This last deals with a magical act of sacrifice by a Russian academic (who thus averts a global disaster... don't ask me to explain, words cannot really do justice to the power of the imagery). This, of all his films, is really the one where the extraordinarily long tracking shots achieve a kind of mesmeric beauty. It also features haunting choral music by Bach which suits the mood of the film perfectly. So, yes, I'd recommend Solaris, although I'd recommend the others I mention more highly, but you'd be best advised not to see *any* of these films on a day when you're not in the mood for something looong and slooow. Nick From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 22 13:48:57 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:48:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Nick Medford wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Misc. ranting... : :On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200, Henderson Keith : wrote: : :>Solaris intrigues me though...don't really know much :>about this movie (the original I mean, not the George Clooney remake, which :>I haven't seen either), and I can only find a version with German subtitles :>(or overdubs, can't remember), since it was done in Russia(n). Is it worth :>searching out for next time I'm in the UK? : So how does either film version compare to the Lem original? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 22 14:00:31 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:00:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Henderson Keith's message of Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200 Message-ID: Henderson Keith writes: > P.P.S. I'm *almost* finished reading the Red Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley > Robinson. Intriguing many times, but man, can he bore the pants off you. > Christ, am I supposed to be impressed that his geologist wife (who once did > a post-doc here at EAWAG in Zuerich, a 'co-institute' of ETH just like > 'mine,' which is why the book has so much Swiss trivia in it, though he got > some of that wrong, even!) coached him on how to sound plausible in every > little detail about how the 'world' works? I mean, it's *fiction,* I don't > really care as long as it isn't ridiculously *im*plausible. If I wanted to > learn that much about *science* here in my spare time, I'd have read a damn > *science* paper, and I get paid for that anyway. And then, how many times > does he have to club us over the head with anecdotes that show us that > certain characters have certain personality characteristics (this one moody, > this one vindictive, this one reserved, this one subversive, etc.). Uh, > this epic story could have been done in less than half the 4,142,045 pages > that are there. I guess Jim Cameron has the rights to do a movie about it. > (?) Man, he'll need to do 10 movies to get all this crap in there. Still, > I didn't give up 'cause there are a few interesting things there that are > more hopeful than what the human race is currently doing. But winning two > major awards for the first two books? Don't see how. Mostly agree, though the versimilitude of the first book did appeal to me. Mostly it's just part of his style. His "Antarctica" is big on geological detail and a kind of history geekdom of antarctic exploration stories. He's a nice guy though. I had dinner with him when he was plugging "The Years of Rice and Salt" and chatted about his trip to the Antarctic station for research. That book BTW is a very readable alternative history (white europeans are totally wiped out by the Black Death) with little geekery in it. My hope is that due to all the high geekery in the Mars books, maybe the movies will have some good scientific accuracy rather than turn into Wagon Train on Mars or somesuch. As for the movies: I don't really rate Star Wars or Close Encounters, but I'd have had "Colossus/The Forbin Project" in there. That's one scary movie and was effectively an early version of Terminator. On a good day I'd have Demon Seed in there too. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 22 14:12:45 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:12:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > Solaris was made by Andrei Tarkovsky, a truly great director IMHO, but I > wouldn't say it was one of his best films. If you've never seen a Tarkovsky > film, it's worth knowing that they tend to be a) very long and b) very > slow. > At best they are like celluloid meditations, at worst they lapse into > serious tedium. Solaris has a particularly celebrated/notorious sequence, > early on in the movie, where the central character is driving through a > system of road tunnels (we're still on Earth at this point) and there is > something like ten uninterrupted minutes of tracking shots of the tunnel > walls flashing past. This actually looks great, but certainly goes on for > long enough to make viewers a little restless. However there are people who > rate Solaris as one of the greatest films ever made. Its reputation was > probably hurt somewhat by being tagged as the "Soviet answer to 2001" by > some sections of the press, and the two were compared in a sort of head-to- > head way in some reviews at the time. I haven't seen the Cloonified remake, > but I imagine it would be much more in keeping with the conventions of big > budget cinema. The whole first hour is set in Soviet Russia and is more than averagely tedious. People will hate me for saying (like I care about that eh?) that I really liked the Clooney version. I thought they covered the questions of identity and reality fairly well, and I thought the planet itself was very well portrayed. I'd have liked to see the move take things a little further by looking at the question of whether it was an attempt at communication, an attack or whatever, but overall I thought it very well done. > Tarkovsky made another film, "Stalker", which could loosely be described as > sci-fi, and I much prefer that to Solaris. It has a total cast of about > four people IIRC, and features a long journey through a mysterious "zone" > in the wake of some kind of catastrophe. The deeper themes are quite > similar to Solaris, in that travel through a strange realm or space becomes > a metaphor for the acquisition of self-knowledge. Based on an extremely interesting SF novel, "Roadside Picnic" by Boris Strugatsky. The "catastophe" to which you refer was basically a UFO stopping by for a picnic. The weird shit that happens afterwards is, in the concept of the writer, just a result of the picnic leaving some trash behind. Think of it as "The Gods Must Be Crazy" in reverse, where we are picking up the aliens Coke Cans and wondering "what the fuck is this and what does it do?" Part of it is that anyone who leaves "The Zone" will cause million to one accidents, and that shit deep into the Zone can instantly turn you inside out, or worse. The "Stalkers" are just people who've learned to navigate the Zone, and since they can't make a living elsewhere (see above) they take tourists into it to look for Good Stuff and try not to get turned from innies to outies. All in all, the movie missed several interesting themes from the book, and I'm heartened to hear that another attempt may soon be made. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 22 14:14:22 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:14:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 13:48, Arin Komins wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Nick Medford wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF: Misc. ranting... > : > :On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200, Henderson Keith > : wrote: > : > :>Solaris intrigues me though...don't really know much > :>about this movie (the original I mean, not the George Clooney remake, which > :>I haven't seen either), and I can only find a version with German subtitles > :>(or overdubs, can't remember), since it was done in Russia(n). Is it worth > :>searching out for next time I'm in the UK? > : > > So how does either film version compare to the Lem original? You can look back in the archives for my thoughts when this cropped up as a thread previously (back when they were making the Clooney remake), but basically, Tarkovski's film is a subset of the book. I prefer the book. Someone mentioned _Stalker_, which is actually based upon the story by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky. Tarkovski only covered a tiny part of that story, which, I feel would make a great film in its own right. Again, I prefer the book, but I do like the film. Again, as someone pointed out, these Tarkovski films are loooong, but reward attentive viewing. The term "impressionistic film making" springs to mind. If you need lots of linear plot and narrative, look elsewhere. (Our university library has both films, which is where I saw them most recently when I checked them out on VHS. But I have seen _Solaris_ on BBC 2 and _Stalker_ on Channel 4 before.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Wed Sep 22 14:15:37 2004 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:15:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: sappy prog Message-ID: I saw IQ several years ago while passing through London upon the recommendation of a Hawkfan who was browsing the Hawkwind section of an local record store. I had never heard of them at the time. It was the Subterranea tour. Nothing else was happening that evening, so I ventured to the show. Overly melodramatic, and yep...whiney, sappy vocals, which made Phil Collins actually sound good in comparison. Musically, I felt that it was a rip off of Genesis, Crimson, Marillion, Eloy, etc. Stayed for about three or four songs, and couldn't help but feel that I heard it before somewhere else already. Quite honestly, I got bored and left. So I went to the venue next door (an Aussie pub) , that happened to have quite a large line going around the block. The line was a party in itself. I wondered what the fuss was about and it turned out to be Australian Independence day. I can't recall the name of the band that played at the time, but it was a blast, and a heck of a lot more energetic than IQ.! Hung out with the "painted faced" soccer fans, which made for an interesting evening to say the least. Well, since this is a discussion forum, I thought I'd throw my two cents in....you may stone me now. Rgds... Tom DK said... Quoting Henderson Keith : >>And then >>the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would >>plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before >>heading home. >Whoh! I have heard many terms used to describe IQ, but sappy is not >one of them (the occasional sappy song notwithstanding :-) They are >one of the darkest neo-prog bands ever "Dark neo-prog" is an oxymoron IMHO. :) No, I don't think iQ is dark. They're "fake" dark, maybe. I find them very warm, in fact. Dreamy textures, the types of keyboards, the production? I don't know what it is, but something takes true 'darkness' out of my mind when listening to them. The only dark thing is Nicholls brooding voice perhaps. Some of the Scandinavian bands are "true" dark IMHO. Some Anekdoten, Circle, Landberk...those are much darker than iQ I think. Maybe 'sappy' wasn't the right word, as I wasn't thinking of 'love-song' sappy (though iQ has done these occasionally too) but instead 'pretty' and 'non-edgy' sort of prog. And that they are, whether it's due to production or the instrumentation. Same as Marillion in that aspect (though Fugazi was produced vastly differently for some odd reason, and not at all very well IMHO...though in that way it had more edge, which for Marillion maybe wasn't the best thing, as it was thereby a bit 'forced'). >(though I seem to be the only one who thinks their latest, Dark Matter, >is not really all that dark)! I see no difference whatsoever between Dark Matter and Subterranea stylistically/soundwise, and indeed I like both albums quite a lot. I don't have the one in the middle...I assume it was similar? >Now they can definitely be sappy. :-) But I think Marbles is the best >thing they've done in years (but only the 2CD version with Ocean >Cloud!) I got the 1CD version, which was my first taste since the awful "Radiation." But whereas some of the songs on Marbles (particularly Track 1) were rather nice (in studio), their live show was as boring as anything I've ever seen. They don't seem to have a clue about what works on stage and what doesn't. I won't ever go again I don't think. >When Caravan had to cancel the gig in Arlington, MA (two blocks away >from my house!) due to visa problems, I asked for a refund... Hmmm...Nektar are really (still) very good. Their live performances have *twice* the energy as their discs, the exact opposite of Marillion, Marbles vintage. (My first Marillion show, Cleveland-Seasons End tour, was *outstanding*...everything that they are *not* these days.) Grakkl (FFA) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 22 14:46:18 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:46:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Tom Clark : > I saw IQ several years ago while passing through London upon the > recommendation of a Hawkfan > who was browsing the Hawkwind section of an local record store. I would never recommend them to a Hawkwind fan if I knew nothing else about their taste. That's silly. > I had never > heard of them at the time. It was the Subterranea tour. Nothing else was > happening that evening, so I ventured to the show. > > Overly melodramatic, and yep...whiney, sappy vocals, which made Phil Collins > actually sound good in comparison. I agree Pete Nichols' vocals can be an aquired taste, but I don't hear anything sappy about them. They do sound whiney I agree, and the melodrama is part of the whole point of the genre. ESPECIALLY on Subterranea which is a concept album! > Musically, I felt that it was a rip off of Genesis, Crimson, Marillion, > Eloy, etc. That sounds like something I'd expect to read in Rolling Stone... Of course they sound like Genesis! That's part of the point. Same should be said of (old) Marilion. Where is the Crimson and Eloy rip-off? Isn't Eloy a "rip-off" of Pink Floyd and Hawkwind? It's amusing that you say they are a Marillion rip-off since they both go back the same length of time (both released their debut full-length albums in 1983 - one could even argue that IQ was earlier since they released the cassette-only "demos" 7 Stories Into 8 in 1982). Marillion is simply the better known of the two. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 22 14:47:01 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:47:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 05:39:09PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > we'll need to start having > tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet. Well, 10cc did a soundtrack to a movie that hadn't been made yet (and still hasn't, to my knowledge). So did Bobbie Gentry and Gladys Knight, but both those movies did eventually get made :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 22 15:00:36 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:00:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Henderson Keith : > DK said... > > Quoting Henderson Keith : > > >>And then > >>the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would > >>plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before > >>heading home. > > >Whoh! I have heard many terms used to describe IQ, but sappy is not one of > >them (the occasional sappy song notwithstanding :-) They are one of the > >darkest neo-prog bands ever > > "Dark neo-prog" is an oxymoron IMHO. :) I disagree. :-) > No, I don't think iQ is dark. They're "fake" dark, maybe. I find them very > warm, in fact. Dreamy textures, the types of keyboards, the production? I > don't know what it is, but something takes true 'darkness' out of my mind > when listening to them. I disagree. :-) > Some of the Scandinavian bands are "true" dark IMHO. Some > Anekdoten, Circle, Landberk...those are much darker than iQ I think. I agree. :-) Also in a totally different genre. > Maybe > 'sappy' wasn't the right word, as I wasn't thinking of 'love-song' sappy > (though iQ has done these occasionally too) but instead 'pretty' and > 'non-edgy' sort of prog. And that they are, whether it's due to production > or the instrumentation. Same as Marillion in that aspect (though Fugazi was > produced vastly differently for some odd reason, and not at all very well > IMHO...though in that way it had more edge, which for Marillion maybe wasn't > the best thing, as it was thereby a bit 'forced'). You don't think Script for a Jester's Tear is dark? I agree Fugazi was the diferent. It sounds like you're simply talking about production. If a song is about death and mostly in a minor key, that's pretty dark to me. A lot of IQ songs fit that bill. :-) > >(though I seem to be the only one who thinks their latest, > >Dark Matter, is not really all that dark)! > > I see no difference whatsoever between Dark Matter and Subterranea > stylistically/soundwise, and indeed I like both albums quite a lot. I don't > have the one in the middle...I assume it was similar? I think S and DM sound VERY different. I'd say the one in the middle (Seventh House) is kind of a mix. Sounds kind of like Ever, but not always as dark. :-) > > >Now they can definitely be sappy. :-) But I think Marbles is the best > >thing they've done in years (but only the 2CD version with Ocean Cloud!) > > I got the 1CD version, Which unfortunately leaves off the best song on the album. > which was my first taste since the awful "Radiation." The next two were pretty bad as well. > But whereas some of the songs on Marbles (particularly Track 1) were rather > nice (in studio), their live show was as boring as anything I've ever seen. > They don't seem to have a clue about what works on stage and what doesn't. > I won't ever go again I don't think. Well, I'm going to see them in October. I like the slow and atmospheric stuff. :-) I've always thought they were great live, but I haven't seen them since This Strange Engine (last time in the US). That was actually a bad gig, but mainly because here in Boston we got a very abbreviated setlist because Pete Trewavas had just been mugged up in Montreal the night before! > >When Caravan had to cancel the gig in Arlington, MA (two blocks away from > >my house!) due to visa problems, I asked for a refund... > > Hmmm...Nektar are really (still) very good. I was somewhat disappointed with them at NEARFest, whereas I thought Caravan kicked ass. I was taking my wife because she likes Caravan a lot, but Nektar isn't really her cup of tea. > Their live performances have > *twice* the energy as their discs, the exact opposite of Marillion, Marbles > vintage. I think that's comparing apples and oranges. > (My first Marillion show, Cleveland-Seasons End tour, was > *outstanding*...everything that they are *not* these days.) I saw them at the Stone Pony in New Jersey that tour. They were definitely great, but I also saw the 3 hour show in Poughkeepsie at The Chance for This Strange Engine. It was the last night of the tour and they did something like 5 encores. It was an amazing show. It was also the official beginning of the relationship between me and my wife, so maybe I'm biased. :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Wed Sep 22 15:56:20 2004 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:56:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: sappy prog Message-ID: OK...I'll rephrase that....IQ, to me, sounds a bit......"contrived". OK...I'm ducking again! Not knocking anyone's musical tastes...music does touch the heart and soul after all, and touches people lives in their own ways somehow or another....or not. Therefore, liking or not liking a particular type of music does not make anybody better than anyone else. So, having said that, I'll even admit now that I happen to like a couple of ABBA songs. I wouldn't have been caught dead admitting when I was a kid. Barry Manilow, on the other hand, makes me cringe, though I do know people who actually "like" Barry Manilow music, which does make me sort of laugh inside. How's that for contradictions! Peace! Be well! Tom From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 22 16:24:34 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:24:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Tom Clark : > OK...I'll rephrase that....IQ, to me, sounds a bit......"contrived". It's funny, I think the new album sounds a bit contrived myself. But I wasn't really that wild about the last two albums either when I first heard them, so we'll see. > Therefore, liking or not liking a particular type of > music does not make anybody better than anyone else. Sure, I just felt you went a bit too far over to "uninformed opinionated critic" mode. :-) > So, having said that, I'll even admit now that I happen to like a couple of > ABBA songs. I wouldn't have been caught dead admitting when I was a kid. IQ often does Mama Mia as an encore. :-) Part of their schtick is throwing in a funny cover for an encore. It may not come across to the casual observer, but they take the piss out of themselves on a regular basis. Here's a partial list of covers they've done (and check out the OnTopicness! :-) Ace of Spades (Motorhead) Glenn Miller Medley God Save The Queen (Sex Pistols) Master of the Universe (Hawkind) Material Girl (Madonna) 'Oh I do like to be beside the seaside' Relax (Frankie Goes to Hollywood) School's Out (Alice Cooper) Suffragette City (Bowie) Sweet Travestite (Rocky Horror Show) Tea for Two Virginia Plain (Roxy Music) White Punks on Dope (The Tubes) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 22 16:41:42 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:41:42 +0100 Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: Keith wrote: .... Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, and thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has service on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a 'triangular' trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And then the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before heading home. ...... And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I had thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) If you're flying into Liverpool we could arrange to have at least one stone circle waiting for you right next to the runway. Oh, and we've got a spare cathedral if you want one too! Mark From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Sep 22 17:27:09 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:27:09 +0100 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: there are dozens of prehistoric sites between Liverpool and London! But if it's Bronze Age stone circles you want then probably the best bet would be the Rollright Stones just south of Birmingham at Chipping Norton which would only be a slight detour on the way south to Swindon if you are travellling by car. For web pages of interest try here: http://www.digital-brilliance.com/hyperg/history/rollrite.htm or here: http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/welcome.shtml but do a Google search on the topic and you'll find loads of others. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: tour > Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind > > OK... > > (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, that > the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. Anyway > the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something more > innocuous in the true subject line.) > > >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. Callanish, > >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is fantastic I would > >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing trees are > >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out what's > wrong > >with the picture. > > So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north (Scotland), > unless I'm mistaken. > > Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, and > thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has service > on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a 'triangular' > trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: > Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre > Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis > which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And then > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I would > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) before > heading home. > > I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) were > good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage size/height > (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or spacious). > That sort of thing. > > Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was probably > going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) fits > with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more special > gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things considered. > And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between > Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I had > thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) > > But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. > > BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do > some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon House > he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim > Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n Black > turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that seemed > to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that > explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how > impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW (which > I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it now > seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto the > stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I didn't > know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own Keith > Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I > would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. Any > word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, > Cap'n Black? > > And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December around > this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? > > Grakkl* (FFA) > > *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I can tell) > > ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room Happening > in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, and > Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the riffs > are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg after HW.) > > P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy progrock > theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens > that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already hard for > bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even thwarted as > innocent bystanders! > > P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set changes > since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new album? Did > anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 22 17:43:40 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:43:40 -0400 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: I went there last time I was in the UK for Hawkfest. They are very cool. The stones outside of the circle were more impressive. Can't recall the name, but worth the look. I liked them more than Stonehenge. It was sad for me to see all the tourists etc.... Oh well, Cheers Stephe > > From: Jill Strobridge > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 05:27:09 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > there are dozens of prehistoric sites between Liverpool and London! > But if it's Bronze Age stone circles you want then probably the > best bet would be the Rollright Stones just south of Birmingham at > Chipping Norton which would only be a slight detour on the way > south to Swindon if you are travellling by car. > > For web pages of interest try here: > http://www.digital-brilliance.com/hyperg/history/rollrite.htm or > here: http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/welcome.shtml > > but do a Google search on the topic and you'll find loads of > others. > > jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henderson Keith" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind > > > > OK... > > > > (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, > that > > the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. > Anyway > > the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something > more > > innocuous in the true subject line.) > > > > >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. > Callanish, > > >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is > fantastic I would > > >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing > trees are > > >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out > what's > > wrong > > >with the picture. > > > > So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north > (Scotland), > > unless I'm mistaken. > > > > Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, > and > > thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has > service > > on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a > 'triangular' > > trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: > > Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre > > Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis > > which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And > then > > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I > would > > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) > before > > heading home. > > > > I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) > were > > good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage > size/height > > (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or > spacious). > > That sort of thing. > > > > Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was > probably > > going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) > fits > > with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more > special > > gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things > considered. > > And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between > > Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I > had > > thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) > > > > But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. > > > > BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do > > some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon > House > > he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim > > Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n > Black > > turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that > seemed > > to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that > > explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how > > impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW > (which > > I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it > now > > seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto > the > > stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I > didn't > > know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own > Keith > > Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I > > would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. > Any > > word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, > > Cap'n Black? > > > > And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December > around > > this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? > > > > Grakkl* (FFA) > > > > *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I > can tell) > > > > ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room > Happening > > in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, > and > > Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the > riffs > > are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg > after HW.) > > > > P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy > progrock > > theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as > Cat Stevens > > that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already > hard for > > bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even > thwarted as > > innocent bystanders! > > > > P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set > changes > > since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new > album? Did > > anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) > > > > > > > From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 22 18:59:55 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:59:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:12:45 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Nick Medford writes: > >> Solaris was made by Andrei Tarkovsky, a truly great director IMHO, but I >> wouldn't say it was one of his best films. If you've never seen a Tarkovsky >> film, it's worth knowing that they tend to be a) very long and b) very >> slow. > >> At best they are like celluloid meditations, at worst they lapse into >> serious tedium. Solaris has a particularly celebrated/notorious sequence, >> early on in the movie, where the central character is driving through a >> system of road tunnels (we're still on Earth at this point) and there is >> something like ten uninterrupted minutes of tracking shots of the tunnel >> walls flashing past. This actually looks great, but certainly goes on for >> long enough to make viewers a little restless. However there are people who >> rate Solaris as one of the greatest films ever made. Its reputation was >> probably hurt somewhat by being tagged as the "Soviet answer to 2001" by >> some sections of the press, and the two were compared in a sort of head- to- >> head way in some reviews at the time. I haven't seen the Cloonified remake, >> but I imagine it would be much more in keeping with the conventions of big >> budget cinema. >> Tarkovsky made another film, "Stalker", >Based on an extremely interesting SF novel, "Roadside Picnic" by Boris >Strugatsky. The "catastophe" to which you refer was basically a UFO >stopping by for a picnic. The weird shit that happens afterwards is, in >the concept of the writer, just a result of the picnic leaving some >trash behind. Think of it as "The Gods Must Be Crazy" in reverse, where >we are picking up the aliens Coke Cans and wondering "what the fuck is >this and what does it do?" Part of it is that anyone who leaves "The >Zone" will cause million to one accidents, and that shit deep into the >Zone can instantly turn you inside out, or worse. The "Stalkers" are >just people who've learned to navigate the Zone, and since they can't >make a living elsewhere (see above) they take tourists into it to look >for Good Stuff and try not to get turned from innies to outies. > >All in all, the movie missed several interesting themes from the book Certainly sounds like it, it's a long time since I saw the movie but I'm sure much of the above wasn't in there- I don't even think it was ever made clear what the catastrophe actually was. OTOH one of the things I liked about the film was (to borrow Paul's word) its impressionistic quality- it didn't bother me that the narrative (what little there was) gave no sense of context, as this meant the events depicted seemed to exist in their own weird bubble of space-time, without reference to anything else, and this actually made the film fascinating, and added to the sense of psychological exploration. However I can imagine feeling a bit short-changed if I'd previously read the book, based on your description above. Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 22 21:20:04 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:20:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... Message-ID: Looks like other folks have covered Tarkovsky and Lem pretty well (I agree that his 'Solaris' is faithful to the original novel), so I'll cover some of the other subjects ... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:39:09 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Yesterday I saw a CD in the store called "Tribute to Evanescence" or >something ... But this has to be now approaching ridiculous. >I mean, unless I'm totally out of it, Evanescence is a brand new band! >With exactly one album. To keep up this pace, we'll need to start having >tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet. Well ... there was a double-LP tribute to Shonen Knife (including major label acts) at the time when they had three LP's out that were only available in Japan. And there was a tribute to the Rutles (including a track by Shonen Knife, so there ya go), who weren't even a real band! And a tribute to Skip Spence's one-and-only (absolutely brilliant!) album, 'Oar' (but, of course, by that time, it was regarded as an outsider psychedelic classic). >I'm pretty well out of it...eg, I've never heard Coldplay I don't think. Think Kenny G playing techno. Or an even-duller Portishead. Make-out music for *really* boring people. >And as much as being 'out of it' would seem to be beneficial and >perhaps a feat to be proud of managing, I'd rather at least know what >is really going on in rock music (if anything) these days. I wouldn't quite say, "new favorite" yet, but I was pretty blown away last night by Electrelane, who were opening for the Ex (who were amazing, but I already knew to expect that). Four girls from the UK (Bristol?) playing really driving (but still fairly polite) drone/noise rock. The singer switched off between spacey/melodic keyboards (slight minus for the prog- stylee "U" configuration, but maybe that will get fans of "sappy prog" to check them out ;^) ), guitar, and some seriously freaked-out sax (unfortunately only for one song) that recalls Nik's most-waterfowlish moments - a sound I love! They were recently signed to Too Pure, and sound like it. Any UK listmembers familiar with them? I'm definitely inspired to go out and buy at least one of their albums ... >And Green Day...were they *really* a big deal? I thought they only hit it >big on that one album before drifting off towards obscurity. The album sold over 8 million copies, making it one of (if not THE, although I think Metallica's 'Black Album' sold more) largest-selling *rock* album of the 90s. For whatever that's worth. >I still have to think for a minute as to whether they were the band that >preceded Mother Love Bone and Mudhoney (?) in the Seattle movement, but >that was Green River. I suppose *they* might be cited as having >some "influence" to the onslaught of alternative/punk revival or >whatever, Yes, that was Green River. Mother Love Bone, of course, got a new singer and became Pearl Jam. Green River were pretty cool, but there was very apparent friction between the half that splintered into the good band, and the half that splintered into the bad one (which was which? which one covered Hawkwind?). >but Green Day? Those guys from Portland who pretended they were English? Berkeley!!! 924 Gilman St., to be precise. (full disclosure: I live 2-3 miles from the Berkeley border) Not that I'm a fan, but I gotta give 'em credit for having paid their dues and come up from the genuine underground. I always knew they were gonna be huge, because when I was doing a radio show on KFJC (at least 3 years before 'Dookie', when they were still indie), they were the number one requested band by all the adolescent females who would call up my show (number one request by adolescent males: Bad Religion, number two by that category: Slayer, dude! [pronounced as one word, like "slayerdood"]). Never underestimate the power of eye candy! ('cause otherwise, who would ever listen to Liz Phair or Connor Oerst?) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 22 21:27:47 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:27:47 -0400 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:46:51 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > >BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do >some of these late 2004 shows, I'd hope that Arthur would show up to support the album he's on! >but when we asked about Simon House he said pretty much 'No chance.' :^( :^( :^( >Can't remember, but I think Tim >Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n Black >turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that seemed >to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that >explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how >impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW (which >I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it now >seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto the >stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I didn't >know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own Keith >Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I >would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. Any >word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, >Cap'n Black? Please add my name to the "Get Keith Kniveton playing with Hawkwind again at whatever the cost" petition. There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between his work on 'Yule Ritual' & 'Canterbury 2001' as compared to Tim on 'Spaced Out' & 'Out of the Shadows'. Hawkwind need someone who can properly operate an EMS Synthi as badly as they need Dave Brock & a kickass rhythm section (at least they have both of those covered); even more than they need a frontman, a lead guitarist, or even (though it pains me to say it) Simon House on violin. IMHO anyway ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 22 23:52:08 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:22:08 +0930 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: ...this is Australia calling..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:33 AM Subject: Re: HW: Updates > + ++ + Greetings Star Warriors + + + ++ ++ > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Upcoming Tour Dates: > > OCTOBER > Oct 23rd - Cheltenham, Town Hall - 01242-227979 > Oct 28th - Bournemouth, BIC - 0870-1113000 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > DECEMBER > Thursday 9th December - Telford, Oakengates Theatre - 01952-619020 > Friday 10th December - Swindon ,Oasis - 01793-445401 > Friday 17th December - Cambridge, Corn Exchange - 01223-357851 > Saturday 18th December - Exeter, Phoenix Arts Centre - 01392-667080 > > Possible London Date 19th Dec......... (TBC) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Please see MISSION CONTROL for other updates and info > www.hawkwind.com > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > + +++ MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++ + > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 22 23:58:51 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:51 +0930 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Cool. Next trip I'll be checking it all out. I laughed when you said you were sad to see all the tourists. What about you!! ha-ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: tour > I went there last time I was in the UK for Hawkfest. They are very cool. The stones outside of the circle were more impressive. Can't recall the name, but worth the look. I liked them more than Stonehenge. It was sad for me to see all the tourists etc.... Oh well, Cheers Stephe > > > > From: Jill Strobridge > > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 05:27:09 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > there are dozens of prehistoric sites between Liverpool and London! > > But if it's Bronze Age stone circles you want then probably the > > best bet would be the Rollright Stones just south of Birmingham at > > Chipping Norton which would only be a slight detour on the way > > south to Swindon if you are travellling by car. > > > > For web pages of interest try here: > > http://www.digital-brilliance.com/hyperg/history/rollrite.htm or > > here: http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/welcome.shtml > > > > but do a Google search on the topic and you'll find loads of > > others. > > > > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Henderson Keith" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:46 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > > > > Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind > > > > > > OK... > > > > > > (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, > > that > > > the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. > > Anyway > > > the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something > > more > > > innocuous in the true subject line.) > > > > > > >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. > > Callanish, > > > >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is > > fantastic I would > > > >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing > > trees are > > > >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out > > what's > > > wrong > > > >with the picture. > > > > > > So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north > > (Scotland), > > > unless I'm mistaken. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, > > and > > > thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has > > service > > > on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a > > 'triangular' > > > trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: > > > Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre > > > Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis > > > which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And > > then > > > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I > > would > > > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) > > before > > > heading home. > > > > > > I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) > > were > > > good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage > > size/height > > > (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or > > spacious). > > > That sort of thing. > > > > > > Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was > > probably > > > going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) > > fits > > > with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more > > special > > > gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things > > considered. > > > And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between > > > Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I > > had > > > thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) > > > > > > But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. > > > > > > BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do > > > some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon > > House > > > he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim > > > Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n > > Black > > > turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that > > seemed > > > to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that > > > explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how > > > impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW > > (which > > > I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it > > now > > > seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto > > the > > > stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I > > didn't > > > know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own > > Keith > > > Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I > > > would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. > > Any > > > word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, > > > Cap'n Black? > > > > > > And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December > > around > > > this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? > > > > > > Grakkl* (FFA) > > > > > > *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I > > can tell) > > > > > > ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room > > Happening > > > in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, > > and > > > Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the > > riffs > > > are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg > > after HW.) > > > > > > P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy > > progrock > > > theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as > > Cat Stevens > > > that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already > > hard for > > > bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even > > thwarted as > > > innocent bystanders! > > > > > > P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set > > changes > > > since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new > > album? Did > > > anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) > > > > > > > > > > > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Sep 23 05:00:37 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:00:37 +0200 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: I said... >And so that explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 >and how impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW or I mean, *why* did I say... Hawkfest '03?! Where was my brain yesterday? I *meant* to say Hawkestra '00. Not even close! Anyway...the point still stands, and Doug backs me up on that. Let's get a petition going and get KK back in the band. Grakkl (FFA) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 23 05:07:16 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:07:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/09/2004 20:56, Tom Clark wrote: > So, having said that, I'll even admit now that I happen to like a couple of > ABBA songs. I remember there was an joke going around a few years back about a whole bunch of doom metal/stoner rock bands making an ABBA tribute album that was going to be called BLACK ABBA. I thought that was a hysterial idea :) and have been vaguely kicking around the idea of doing a sludgefest ABBA cover, though I haven't decided which song would work best. Having heard Richard Thompson's acoustic version of "Money Money Money", I bet that would work oretty well heavied up, though I've spent more time musing over how to rearrange "Super Trouper", since that's such a great "stoner rock" style title :) > I wouldn't have been caught dead admitting when I was a kid. > Barry Manilow, on the other hand, makes me cringe, though I do know people > who actually "like" Barry Manilow music, which does make me sort of laugh > inside. How's that for contradictions! But how can one not like "Copacabana"!? Especially after a "copa" or two :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Sep 23 05:43:11 2004 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:43:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles Message-ID: I'd definitly recommend a visit to Callanish - a truly wonderful place, especially if you go around the time of the summer solstice, where there is much dancing, singing etc. The locals, somewhat bemused by travelles coming to the stones just for this event, are game & join in the fun. (At least they did back in the early 90s when I was there). Look out for the reclining lady in the landscape, (go there and you'll see what I mean). I'd also recommend Julian Cope's excellent book 'The Modern Antiquarian' for a good overview of many circles in mainland Britain. Has a good gazateer aswell as a whole chapter on Callanish. Cheers Neil. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 23 06:55:54 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:55:54 +0100 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23/09/2004 02:27, Doug Pearson wrote: > Hawkwind need someone who can > properly operate an EMS Synthi as badly as they need Dave Brock & a > kickass rhythm section (at least they have both of those covered); even > more than they need a frontman, a lead guitarist, or even (though it pains > me to say it) Simon House on violin. IMHO anyway ... Seconded! Cheers, Carl ps - I realize this is dangerously close to a "me too!" post, but it's a sufficiently important point that I'll risk it :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 23 07:06:13 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:06:13 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) In-Reply-To: <3947A574-0CBC-11D9-A039-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com> Message-ID: On 22/09/2004 18:24, Brian Halligan wrote: > If any of it ends up as good as "Wolf at the Door", you should offer it > to the list. I kept that tune on my MP3.com station for ages. Cool! Ah, if only I still knew where the master tapes for those recordings went .... I could re-record a new version all easily enough at home, which would probably sound less like an MP3 pulled from a grimy lo-fi cassette, but my drum programming would never match Larry's real playing (RIP). But, yeah, any semi-listenable music I work on will find its way to my web site in one form or another. And I keep thinking that these days it's pretty cheap and easy for anyone with a relatively solid computer and fast internet connection to record their guitar or vocal or kazoo and pass it on to other people for mixing with other things. The virtual jam session, so to speak :) I'm hoping the day is about here when all those closet musicians scattered across the globe can get out of the basement and, if not actually onto the stage, and least in the same virtual, diachronic rehearsal room :) Then if I knew someone in Katmandu with a great waterfowl-saxophone tone, I could try to get them to contribute a part to some spacerock extravaganza or the other that I was working on :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 23 09:01:19 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <000d01c49474$b43cb0d0$6701a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, John Majka wrote: > I'd have to agree that Harvey's playing was an absolutely amazing > thing during his last few years with Hawkwind. He makes Tim Blake > seem completely inept by comparison. In my fantasy line-up, Harvey > would be on keyboards and Huw would be on lead guitar, in addition to > the trio of Brock, Davey, and Chadwick. John Majka I agree entirely. Harvey's keyboard sound is the keyboard sound for Hawkwind in my head. I suppose Dave's synths have a role too but once you've got Harvey and Keith K. in there (since he is also as so many people are so rightly saying essential in the ideal world of HW) I find it hard to see where. Huw also the ideal lead guitar as his style is so different to Dave's. Simon would also be good of course but we can't have everything. and I've seen bloody good HW gigs both with and without him. Mind you the same could be said of everyone bar Dave and Richard. The place for Tim Blake in matters Hawk, as I've said many times, is in a techno side-project with Dave and Richard :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Heads - _Everybody Knows We Got Nowhere_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 23 09:42:15 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:42:15 -0400 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: I was there on a spiritual pilgrimage. THats all I will say because I don't feel like getting into a religious debate on this forum. > > From: "Muad'Dib" > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 11:58:51 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > Cool. Next trip I'll be checking it all out. I laughed when you said you > were sad to see all the tourists. What about you!! ha-ha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe Lindas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:13 AM > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > I went there last time I was in the UK for Hawkfest. They are very cool. > The stones outside of the circle were more impressive. Can't recall the > name, but worth the look. I liked them more than Stonehenge. It was sad for > me to see all the tourists etc.... Oh well, Cheers Stephe > > > > > > From: Jill Strobridge > > > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 05:27:09 EDT > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > > > there are dozens of prehistoric sites between Liverpool and London! > > > But if it's Bronze Age stone circles you want then probably the > > > best bet would be the Rollright Stones just south of Birmingham at > > > Chipping Norton which would only be a slight detour on the way > > > south to Swindon if you are travellling by car. > > > > > > For web pages of interest try here: > > > http://www.digital-brilliance.com/hyperg/history/rollrite.htm or > > > here: http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/welcome.shtml > > > > > > but do a Google search on the topic and you'll find loads of > > > others. > > > > > > jill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Henderson Keith" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > > > > > > > Subject: HW: H For Hawkwind > > > > > > > > OK... > > > > > > > > (Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, > > > that > > > > the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. > > > Anyway > > > > the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something > > > more > > > > innocuous in the true subject line.) > > > > > > > > >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. > > > Callanish, > > > > >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is > > > fantastic I would > > > > >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing > > > trees are > > > > >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out > > > what's > > > > wrong > > > > >with the picture. > > > > > > > > So, where are all these? Sounds like islands in the north > > > (Scotland), > > > > unless I'm mistaken. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I'm looking at the early few dates for December touring, > > > and > > > > thinking about a flight over to the UK. Because Basel now has > > > service > > > > on EasyJet to both Liverpool and Luton, I can think about a > > > 'triangular' > > > > trip from Liverpool, catching the two shows at: > > > > Dec 9th - Telford, Oakengates Theatre > > > > Dec 10th - Swindon, Oasis > > > > which would lead me to the London area without much problem. And > > > then > > > > the prog band iQ plays at the Mean Fiddler on Dec. 11th, so I > > > would > > > > plan to catch that show (OK, so I like sappy progrock, sue me) > > > before > > > > heading home. > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know if these two places (Oakengates and Oasis) > > > were > > > > good venues to see a show. Anybody know? Acoustics, stage > > > size/height > > > > (for visuals), beer quality/price, venue size (cramped or > > > spacious). > > > > That sort of thing. > > > > > > > > Dave Brock said at Herzberg that the "Christmas show" was > > > probably > > > > going to be at Exeter this year, and so that last date (the 18th) > > > fits > > > > with what he told us. So maybe that would be a slightly more > > > special > > > > gig (?), but this plan seems to work better all things > > > considered. > > > > And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between > > > > Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I > > > had > > > > thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) > > > > > > > > But I'd like to know about the venues ahead of time if I could. > > > > > > > > BTW, he mentioned that *perhaps* Arthur Brown would be back to do > > > > some of these late 2004 shows, but when we asked about Simon > > > House > > > > he said pretty much 'No chance.' Can't remember, but I think Tim > > > > Blake was a 'maybe'. But anyway, I think I'd like to see Cap'n > > > Black > > > > turn up again (hint), based on a recent discussion here that > > > seemed > > > > to suggest that he has some of Tim's old equipment. And so that > > > > explains my experience (as I remember it) at Hawkfest '03 and how > > > > impressed I was by the return of the Blake synth sound to HW > > > (which > > > > I attributed then to Blake, who was there on stage). Whereas it > > > now > > > > seems to be the case that the other guy over there crammed onto > > > the > > > > stage left area (who I wasn't paying much attention to, 'cause I > > > didn't > > > > know who he was then), was the *real* Blake sound, aka our own > > > Keith > > > > Kniveton. Since then, I haven't seen him play with HW, and now I > > > > would like to see that rectified on this next trip to the UK. > > > Any > > > > word from the horse's mouth? Are you going to play on this tour, > > > > Cap'n Black? > > > > > > > > And any Litmus (or similar-types) gigs planned for mid-December > > > around > > > > this time? Will they be with Hawkwind on any of these? > > > > > > > > Grakkl* (FFA) > > > > > > > > *Quiscalus Quiscula (sadly, non-existent here in CH from what I > > > can tell) > > > > > > > > ObCD: Pothead - Tuf Luv (I picked this up at the Swamp Room > > > Happening > > > > in Muenchen this past weekend, where I saw ColourHaze, Hypnos69, > > > and > > > > Liquid Visions, and it's a damn good CD! Kinda short, but the > > > riffs > > > > are everything I remembered from seeing them live at Herzberg > > > after HW.) > > > > > > > > P.S. Did anyone else note that Marillion (to keep up the sappy > > > progrock > > > > theme) was on that same plane with the artist formerly known as > > > Cat Stevens > > > > that got diverted to Bangor, Maine? As if it weren't already > > > hard for > > > > bands to get permission to enter the US...now they're even > > > thwarted as > > > > innocent bystanders! > > > > > > > > P.P.S. Who's seen Nektar/Caravan in the US? Any interesting set > > > changes > > > > since Nearfest? Anything from Journey yet? Any of the new > > > album? Did > > > > anyone buy it at the shows? (I think it's available, yeah?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 23 09:54:40 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:54:40 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23/09/2004 14:01, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I suppose Dave's synths have a role too Hmmm ... maybe on his solo projects. Essentially, when Dave isn't actually riffing away on guitar, we're waiting for him to start riffing away on guitar! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 23 10:37:35 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:37:35 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > The place for Tim Blake in matters Hawk, as I've said many times, > is in a techno side-project with Dave and Richard :-) Yours, Yep, I still remember Tim and Richard's great techno jam at Brighton. If these three got together and produced a side album of that stuff, it'd be great! FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Sep 23 10:43:32 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:43:32 +0100 Subject: HW: What's Happenin' Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <200409231437.i8NEbZ3L013004@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: OH Yes INDEED !!!!!! that would be one utterly awesome jam .... We need techno explorations of an almost unhumankind Iain.. PS just reading Sonic assassins, I love it, Alan Powell comes across as a bit snotty mind,But everyone seems to like him Just read the Ginger Baker period.... M Holmes wrote on 9/23/2004, 3:37 PM: > Jon Jarrett writes: > > > The place for Tim Blake in matters Hawk, as I've said many > times, > > is in a techno side-project with Dave and Richard :-) Yours, > > Yep, I still remember Tim and Richard's great techno jam at Brighton. If > these three got together and produced a side album of that stuff, it'd > be great! > > FoFP > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 23 12:04:24 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think my wife might have something to say if I have anything to do with Merry Maidens ;-) That's one of the few circles I haven't visited, where is that one Rik? Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:39 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Stone Circles What's the matter with the 'Merry Maidens" then ? :-} From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 23 13:05:37 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:05:37 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:06:13 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >And I keep thinking that these days it's pretty cheap and easy for >anyone with a relatively solid computer and fast internet connection to >record their guitar or vocal or kazoo and pass it on to other people for >mixing with other things. The virtual jam session, so to speak :) I believe this more or less describes the modus operandi of the Spirits Burning project on their 2 albums. Stephan From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 23 16:07:41 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:41 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:05:37 -0400, Stephan Forstner wrote: >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:06:13 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson >wrote: >>And I keep thinking that these days it's pretty cheap and easy for >>anyone with a relatively solid computer and fast internet connection to >>record their guitar or vocal or kazoo and pass it on to other people for >>mixing with other things. The virtual jam session, so to speak :) > >I believe this more or less describes the modus operandi of the Spirits >Burning project on their 2 albums. Pretty much, except that the collaboration was done the lo-tech way (postal mail, not Internet). Apparently Judge Trev sent his contributions on a decaying cassette tape that disintegrated immediately after the first playback, which was fortunately sufficient to get his guitar tracks loaded into the DAW for mixing/assemblage. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 23 18:32:09 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:32:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: <200409221800.i8MI0Vd7003460@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Misc. ranting... : [snip] :As for the movies: I don't really rate Star Wars or Close Encounters, :but I'd have had "Colossus/The Forbin Project" in there. That's one :scary movie and was effectively an early version of Terminator. Oooooh. I loved Colossus: The Forbin Project (both movie and book). So did you read the other 2 books in the trilogy? (Fall of Colossus, and Colossus and the Crab) Arin (roving sf/f geek.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 24 04:21:28 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 04:21:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gigs Message-ID: Litmus will be playing the following gigs over the next few week: October 7th - The Standard, Walthamstow, supporting Tony Hill's Fiction. October 13th - The Hobgoblin, Bicester, with support from the Assassins of Silence. October 16th - The Grand Junction, Buckingham, supporting the Asassins of Silence. November 5th - The Standard, Walthamstow, with support from Huw Lloyd- Langton (acoustic set). Gigs are being booked for next year and we will inform you as soon as they are confirmed. Colin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Sep 24 04:36:48 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:06:48 +0930 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Stephe the spiritual tourist lol ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: tour > I was there on a spiritual pilgrimage. THats all I will say because I don't feel like getting into a religious debate on this forum. > > > > From: "Muad'Dib" > > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 11:58:51 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: tour From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Sep 24 04:56:52 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:56:52 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23/09/2004 21:07, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:05:37 -0400, Stephan Forstner > wrote: >>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:06:13 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson >>wrote: >>>And I keep thinking that these days it's pretty cheap and easy for >>>anyone with a relatively solid computer and fast internet connection to >>>record their guitar or vocal or kazoo and pass it on to other people for >>>mixing with other things. The virtual jam session, so to speak :) >> >>I believe this more or less describes the modus operandi of the Spirits >>Burning project on their 2 albums. > > Pretty much, Cool! Checked out their web site and they've certainly got a bunch of cool people aboard :) > except that the collaboration was done the lo-tech way > (postal mail, not Internet). Apparently Judge Trev sent his contributions > on a decaying cassette tape that disintegrated immediately after the first > playback, which was fortunately sufficient to get his guitar tracks loaded > into the DAW for mixing/assemblage. Yeeesssssss .... ;) Well, snail mail sounds to much like work to me :) I'm too much the time-strapped home hobbyist, and I've got my work cut out just to record a guitar part, let alone put it on decaying cassettes and taking it to the post office ;) Actually, I don't have a way of playing or recording on cassette anyway at the moment! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Sep 24 05:53:25 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:53:25 +0100 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Henderson Keith wrote: >(Hmmm...this message was rejected due to the subject heading, that >the LISTSERV thought was some sort of admin. message...Odd. Anyway >the subject header is now here at the top, and I put something more >innocuous in the true subject line.) Funny stuff going on mayhap... I didn't get the day's digest, so I'm just catching up through the archive. Rich wrote: >Damn Straight. If I had to choose 3 stone circles to visit. Callanish, >Avebury, and Castlerigg would be my choice. Callanish is fantastic I would >recommend anyone to take the time and go there. And the missing trees are >weird, the Orkneys are the same, it takes a while to figure out what's >wrong with the picture. Yup, very strange. I haven't done Avebury & Castlerigg yet. I keep promising myself that I'll do the latter when heading South from my friends in Dumfries, but I'm always A) behind schedule & B) going somewher else en route I'll get Orkney & Shetland in SOME time *sigh* >And if any one of these stone circles was in the region between >Liverpool and London, that would be cool as well. (Of course, I had >thought to stop at Stonehenge if I were to go to Exeter.) There's the Nine Ladies on Stanton Moor in North Derbyshire (near Buxton) - and that's a possible "last chance to see" because they're under serious threat from extension of quarrying in the neighbourhood. Also, not too far way, just off the A515 between Buxton & Ashbourne is Arbor Low. Byeee Chrisw (ObCD - Tartan Amoebas) NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Sep 24 06:43:46 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:43:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles Message-ID: Ahhhh !!! Merry Maidens is yet another Cornwall circle !! here's an oversize pic we took: http://www.cy-b.org/stones/mm.htm Rik&Val From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Sep 24 07:07:14 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:07:14 +0100 Subject: Off: Stone Circles Message-ID: > Stephe Lindas : > > I was there on a spiritual pilgrimage. THats all I will say > because I don't feel like getting into a religious debate on > this forum. Well said sir - and my reasons were similar at Callanish. Unfortunately, I had to go before sunset, which on a clear evening like we had would have made the stones almost glow from the reflective chips in the gneiss. The "old hippy" who runs the caf?/craftshop in the blackhouse right by the stones (much better than the visitor centre) reckons that best of all they should be seen by moonlight since it's a moon site; sadly it was the week either side of new moon when we were there. It's actually quite obvious when you're there who the "tourists" are - just clutching the official guidebook that they've bought in the visitors centre, or a standard tourist guide to the Western Isles. Callanish (Calanais) is one of the "things to see" - "if today is Tuesday, this must be Callanish". They also don't bother with the satellite circles Which are almost as important. The Achmore circle (which is mostly collapsed and harder to find) is also interesting, because the "sleeping beauty" hills become "pregnant" when seen from there - and probably the only feasible reason for setting a stone circle in such a misbegotten landscape. > > From: "Muad'Dib" > > Cool. Next trip I'll be checking it all out. I laughed > > when you said you were sad to see all the tourists. > > What about you!! ha-ha Methinks you mocked too soon (nothing unusual there). Kinda odd from a guy using the nom-de-guerre of a "messiah"?!?!? However, yes the Rollrights (and their outliers) are wonderful - Unfortunately, some brainless idiots recently threw paint around In the site, not only damaging the stones but also their Scientifically significant lichen colonies (some of the oldest in Britain). ChrisW NP: Peter Hammill - Fool's Mate NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 24 09:22:13 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:22:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, M Holmes wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF: Misc. ranting... > : > > [snip] > > :As for the movies: I don't really rate Star Wars or Close Encounters, > :but I'd have had "Colossus/The Forbin Project" in there. That's one > :scary movie and was effectively an early version of Terminator. > > Oooooh. I loved Colossus: The Forbin Project (both movie and book). So > did you read the other 2 books in the trilogy? (Fall of Colossus, and Colossus and the Crab) There's a third book? Hmmm.... I loved the quote from the second one: "When you can't pay the rent, do you tell the dog?" which refers to Colossus not pointing out to his human pets that there's a problem.... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 24 09:23:31 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:23:31 +0100 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:06:48 +0930 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of worship. FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Sep 24 09:28:57 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:28:57 EDT Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2004 9:23:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of worship. I disagree!! Bill From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Sep 24 09:52:45 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:52:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Nektar review... Message-ID: is here, concerning two of the shows in the US with Caravan. Surprises are that Taff Freeman isn't with them suddenly (no explanation, and no word if it's permanent), and that they have done what I was hoping and have added "The Dream Nebula" into their live set! Now only if they were to come back to DE/CH so I could hear it for myself. Anyway, here's the link...last show is tonight in Philly. http://www.seaoftranquility.org/article.php?sid=241 Grakkl (FFA) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Sep 24 11:19:49 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:19:49 -0400 Subject: Off: Stone Circles Message-ID: Glad someone understands. Thats really sad to hear the Rollright stones were vandalized. I hope the culprits pay dearly. Cheers Stephe > > From: CWarburton at OAG.COM > Date: 2004/09/24 Fri AM 07:07:14 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Off: Stone Circles > > > Stephe Lindas : > > > > I was there on a spiritual pilgrimage. THats all I will say > > because I don't feel like getting into a religious debate on > > this forum. > > Well said sir - and my reasons were similar at Callanish. > Unfortunately, I had to go before sunset, which on a clear > evening like we had would have made the stones almost glow > from the reflective chips in the gneiss. The "old hippy" > who runs the caf?/craftshop in the blackhouse right by the > stones (much better than the visitor centre) reckons that best > of all they should be seen by moonlight since it's a moon site; > sadly it was the week either side of new moon when we were there. > It's actually quite obvious when you're there who the "tourists" > are - just clutching the official guidebook that they've bought > in the visitors centre, or a standard tourist guide to the Western > Isles. Callanish (Calanais) is one of the "things to see" - "if > today is Tuesday, this must be Callanish". They also don't bother > with the satellite circles Which are almost as important. > > The Achmore circle (which is mostly collapsed and harder to find) is > also interesting, because the "sleeping beauty" hills become "pregnant" > when seen from there - and probably the only feasible reason for > setting a stone circle in such a misbegotten landscape. > > > > From: "Muad'Dib" > > > Cool. Next trip I'll be checking it all out. I laughed > > > when you said you were sad to see all the tourists. > > > What about you!! ha-ha > > Methinks you mocked too soon (nothing unusual there). > Kinda odd from a guy using the nom-de-guerre of a "messiah"?!?!? > > However, yes the Rollrights (and their outliers) are wonderful - > Unfortunately, some brainless idiots recently threw paint around > In the site, not only damaging the stones but also their > Scientifically significant lichen colonies (some of the oldest in > Britain). > > > > ChrisW > NP: Peter Hammill - Fool's Mate > > > NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. > From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Fri Sep 24 17:10:20 2004 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:10:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stone Circles Message-ID: Been there! That was on our July 1991 tour of Cornwall. (sickeningly timed to coincide with HW's Glasgow Barrowlands appearance- you can't win 'em all). The Merry Maidens was a fabulous little circle. There was just enough room to park my car in the middle .....kiddin'. Also worthwhile down that way were The Hurlers. Amazing big circles up on the moors. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:43 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Stone Circles > Ahhhh !!! > > Merry Maidens is yet another Cornwall circle !! > > here's an oversize pic we took: > > http://www.cy-b.org/stones/mm.htm > > Rik&Val > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Sep 25 04:03:34 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:33:34 +0930 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Whats a discordian? I am curious :) ** the following is an opinionated comment so if you are fanatically into relgion like a fedayken on his jihad best you not read the following lest you be filled with wrath. ** (Hit the delete button now) Religions are for people who need to surround themselves with alot of other people who hopefully share their same spiritual beliefs. When people gather under those circumstances its not long before a degree politics takes over - levels of power are alloted and ultimatly corruption follows. Spirituality is a 100% personal endeavour. We dont need religions - priests - gurus - outdated bibles etc. Spirituality is all about SELF growth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: tour > Muad'Dib writes: > > > ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics > > Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of > worship. > > FoFP > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Sep 25 06:53:21 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 06:53:21 -0400 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: So then, sounds like a gathering to see Hawkwind. I think you are catching on, but not quite. Keep meditating on it. The truth is out there. Cheers Stephe > > Religions are for people who need to surround themselves with alot of other > people who hopefully share their same spiritual beliefs. When people gather > under those circumstances its not long before a degree politics takes over - > levels of power are alloted and ultimatly corruption follows. Spirituality > is a 100% personal endeavour. We dont need religions - priests - gurus - > outdated bibles etc. Spirituality is all about SELF growth. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > Muad'Dib writes: > > > > > ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics > > > > Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of > > worship. > > > > FoFP > > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Sep 25 09:54:06 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:54:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (September 25, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #111), Alchemical Radio (show #71), and Drool Trough (show #18). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #111) Floorian - "Overruled" (from What The Buzzing) Quarkspace - "Underspace" (from Node In Peril) Architectural Metaphor - "The Sabbath Maker" (from Other Music) Trigon - "Verbiegt Die Kontrollen Zum Herz Der Sonne" (from Herzburg 2004) Strobe - "Frozen Hate" (from See Beyond The Sun) Blackloud - "Iron Fist" (from 4-Track-Demons) Cul de Sac & Damo Suzuki - "Berlin 3" (from Abhayamudra) Wicked Minds - "Space Child" (from From The Purple Skies) Bill Laswell - "Space-Time Paradox" (from Version 2 Version-A Dub Transmission) ST 37 - "Vegetable Man" (from The Vegetable Man Project Vol. 2) Riverside - "Reality Dream" (from Out Of Myself) Alchemical Radio (show #71) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Grip Inc. - "The Answer" Salem Hill - "The Great Stereopticon" Annie Grace - "Bonnie At Morn" Going Some Place - "Martian Rodeo" Rudiger Gleisberg - "Incarnation And Tears" Root Deco - "Stone God" Soniq Theater - "Inner Visions" Strangers On A Train - "Was It The Way" Keven Brennan - "Seven" Soundoctrine - "Incipience" The Buzzrats - "Cartoon Twilight" Ceramic Hobs - "Does He Take Sugar" The Insane Picnic - "This Is The Winter Darkness" Henry - "Change" Drool Trough (show #18) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective - "How Do You Dial 911" (from Jihad Cafe) The Slow Slushy Boys - "When Will We Get The Power? Part 1" (from When Will We Get The Power single) Paul Roland - "Dark Carnival" (from Pavane) Used Alien Mind - "Open Your Eyes Space Cadet" (from Positive Mental Theme) Years - "It's Only Life" (from Years) Floorian - "Waiting For It" (from What The Buzzing) Patrick Porter - "Cordwood & Spark" (from Maybe Waltz EP) Lou & Benny with The Teen Axel Soul Arkestra - "Dents De Lait, Dents De Loup" (from Dents De Lait, Dents De Loup/These Eyes single) The Great Imperial Yo Yo - "The Mighty Frog" (from Chicken Island) Trigon - "Ein Kleines Brachiales Machwerk" (from Herzburg 2004) Blackloud - "WWWWW" (from 4-Track-Demons) Thee Moths - "Universe Prayer" (from Sand In Our Pockets) Little Fyodor - "You Give Me Hard-On" / "I Thought People Liked Fools" (from Idiots Are Closer To God) Parma International - "All About You" (from All About You/Don't Live A Lie single) Shadow Of A Great Name - "Two Rights And A Wrong" (from Exteriors) 9 on Bali - "Who Is Tripoli Adams?" (from Triad EP) Pressurehed - "Altitude" (from Explaining The Unexplained) Brian Ritchie - "Watazumi's Tea Bowl" (from Shakuhachi Club NYC) Eureka S?n - "62" (from Por Album) Wobble Jaggle Jiggle - "Magic Carpet Flight" (from It Came From Nowhere) http://Aural-Innovations.com From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sat Sep 25 11:12:24 2004 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:12:24 -0400 Subject: Nektar review... Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 9/25/04 -0400, Keith wrote: >Surprises are that Taff Freeman isn't with them suddenly (no explanation, >and no word if it's permanent), and that they have done what I was hoping >and have added "The Dream Nebula" into their live set! Now only if they >were to come back to DE/CH so I could hear it for myself. That was definitely a surprise to me, too. I've had an advance promo of their new album, Evolution, for a few weeks now and Taff is all over that. So I expected him to be part of the tour. But I heard somewhere that he was unable to tour because of an illness in the family, his wife I think. So I'm not viewing this as Taff having departed the band. But getting back to Evolution, having lived with it for a couple weeks now I have to say Nektar fans are really going to be happy with this one. The band had spent a lot of time remastering their back catalog before making this album as well as a significant amount of touring. And having relived their classic catalog like that most definitely effected their mindset in recording Evolution. Bottom line is it really has that 70's sound to it and much more of a classic Nektar sound than was in evidence on Prodigal Son. I'm already starting to see high praises for it on the net. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Sep 25 11:52:06 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:52:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: 09-24-2004 Clifton Park Review and Pic link In-Reply-To: <20040915133344.GA8088@telepres.com> Message-ID: Myself and a few hundred of the faithful saw the boys last night at their annual visit to Northern Lights in Clifton Park. The concert was a big success, the crowd very appreciative. All age ranges were in attendance as usual. It is possibly the loudest concert I've been at in many years however, not helped by the fact that I saw it from standing in front of the stage. In contrast I stood in the exact same spot for a band called STS9 a week earlier and had no appreciable "tinnyness" that night or the next day. This am my ears are still ringing...... The boys were dressed in their usual fashion, mostly black. Buck of course came out in a jacket and that was gone fairly quickly. The new bass player is really good, and his solo was excellent as was Bobby's of course. Eric was wearing a black "baseball" jersey open in the front, with the word Klingon across the front and the Klingon symbol on the sleeve. Alan was in a "moon" T-Shirt. There were three T's available at the table, a dark maroon 2004 tour shirt a dark gray "1978" tour shirt and a non specific black shirt that just said the words Blue Oyster Cult several times down the back. I got the 2004 and 1978 shirts, and I have no idea if the 1978 shirts were really from that tour, reprints of that tour shirt or just something they made up for the hell of it. The 2004 shirt did not have this tour stop, though it did have dates so I'm wondering if the CP gig was not originally planned for Sept. (Our date would have been btw the Glenside PA and Hampton Beach NH dates) The set list had a couple of nice surprises: Shooting Shark and an encore of Black Blade, but overall it was a greatest hits set and there was nothing from the last two albums, which surprised the hell out of me. As you all know I'm lousy with set lists and song names. However there was a very funny incident during one of the songs. Buck was doing one of his solo's and his white "Swiss cheese" guitar just cut out! Once he figured it out, he pointed to the equipment guy which amp was not working. (I still don't know what caused the problem, the guitar never returned to the stage). However in typical Buck comic fashion he started really screwing around for the people at the front of the stage doing all sorts of silly "air guitar" things with his guitar knowing there was no sound coming out of it. On his knees, behind his back etc. Then Eric gave him the black Cross guitar to play. I know I've never seen him play that guitar. Otherwise the show was fairly standard, although full of energy. Alan played mostly guitars again, and cranked it out in his parts especially the last days of may. I snuck my digital camera into the show and the pictures are available on the following link: http://www.mikemontfort.com/BOCWeb/index.htm As always if you wish to save the pics to your HD feel free to do so, however please don't use them on any other website without crediting me as the photographer. Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ We are not going to be afraid to stand up for what we believe in ever again. We are not going to let those who disagree with us shout us down under a banner of false patriotism. -- Howard Dean at the Democratic Convention From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Sep 25 16:59:02 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:59:02 -0400 Subject: Boc:`Secrets Revealed' Message-ID: And fascinating reading it is. Excellent overview of the band's music on an album by album,song by song basis; with just enough history for continuity. Interesting to hear different POVs of the same incidents, makes you wonder what the REAL truth is. Also, a very nice review of the album can be found at in the review section (sorry, not hi-tech enough to actually get the URL here). But go find it anyway, Brian Coles gives the book 4-1/2 lighning bolts out of 5; that would be between `electrifying' & shockingly good'. Well, time to hunker down (as they say on the tv) as the 3rd hurricane in 6-7 weeks comes through Polk County, Fla. It's really wearing thin now!! Glad I didn't fix my fence after the first one) tim 8>)... From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat Sep 25 17:22:11 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:22:11 +0100 Subject: `Secrets Revealed' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's the review for the Popoff book. Pretty good review. Obviously a fan. http://www.electricbasement.com/absolutenm/templates/review.asp?articlei d=117&zoneid=16 Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 25 September 2004 21:59 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Boc:`Secrets Revealed' And fascinating reading it is. Excellent overview of the band's music on an album by album,song by song basis; with just enough history for continuity. Interesting to hear different POVs of the same incidents, makes you wonder what the REAL truth is. Also, a very nice review of the album can be found at in the review section (sorry, not hi-tech enough to actually get the URL here). But go find it anyway, Brian Coles gives the book 4-1/2 lighning bolts out of 5; that would be between `electrifying' & shockingly good'. Well, time to hunker down (as they say on the tv) as the 3rd hurricane in 6-7 weeks comes through Polk County, Fla. It's really wearing thin now!! Glad I didn't fix my fence after the first one) tim 8>)... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 26 00:47:35 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:17:35 +0930 Subject: HW: religion and the joys of sex Message-ID: Are you saying you think Hawkwind is a religion? I've gathered with other diners at the Lone Star steak restaurant several times and never thought of it as a religious experience. :) I hope you wont want to burn me at the steak if my truth differs from your truth. For me, my spiritual journey is a personal thing. That's not to say that I throw out the babies with the bath water. But I must say I get much more "enlightenment" from simply watching nature and the sun rise than I do from sitting and ultimately sleeping in a church. But I wont burn anyone at the stake either :) and on a Hawkwind note - I'm gonna release my version of Spirit of the Age if Hawkwinds single isn't out before Christmas lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: tour > So then, sounds like a gathering to see Hawkwind. I think you are catching on, but not quite. Keep meditating on it. The truth is out there. Cheers Stephe > > > > Religions are for people who need to surround themselves with alot of other > > people who hopefully share their same spiritual beliefs. When people gather > > under those circumstances its not long before a degree politics takes over - > > levels of power are alloted and ultimatly corruption follows. Spirituality > > is a 100% personal endeavour. We dont need religions - priests - gurus - > > outdated bibles etc. Spirituality is all about SELF growth. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:53 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > > > > Muad'Dib writes: > > > > > > > ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics > > > > > > Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of > > > worship. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Sep 26 09:21:31 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:21:31 -0400 Subject: HW: religion and the joys of sex Message-ID: NO, Saying the word Religion is not correct. I'd say more of a spiritual experience. Each individual has there own. Religion is for people who follow certain dogma. The HW experience is like being in nature. Everyone enjoys it, but the experience is different for everyone. Same with truth. Being that you're an Arab, you will see things differently that white folks. I don't burn people at the steak. I burn down churches and I feed lions!!! :-) Cheers Stephe > > From: "Muad'Dib" > Date: 2004/09/26 Sun AM 12:47:35 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: religion and the joys of sex > > Are you saying you think Hawkwind is a religion? I've gathered with other > diners at the Lone Star steak restaurant several times and never thought of > it as a religious experience. :) > I hope you wont want to burn me at the steak if my truth differs from your > truth. For me, my spiritual journey is a personal thing. That's not to say > that I throw out the babies with the bath water. But I must say I get much > more "enlightenment" from simply watching nature and the sun rise than I do > from sitting and ultimately sleeping in a church. > But I wont burn anyone at the stake either :) > > and on a Hawkwind note - I'm gonna release my version of Spirit of the Age > if Hawkwinds single isn't out before Christmas lol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe Lindas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > So then, sounds like a gathering to see Hawkwind. I think you are catching > on, but not quite. Keep meditating on it. The truth is out there. Cheers > Stephe > > > > > > Religions are for people who need to surround themselves with alot of > other > > > people who hopefully share their same spiritual beliefs. When people > gather > > > under those circumstances its not long before a degree politics takes > over - > > > levels of power are alloted and ultimatly corruption follows. > Spirituality > > > is a 100% personal endeavour. We dont need religions - priests - > gurus - > > > outdated bibles etc. Spirituality is all about SELF growth. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: tour > > > > > > > > > > Muad'Dib writes: > > > > > > > > > ..religion.... arrrrghhhh pwwwwt almost as 'orrible as politics > > > > > > > > Depends on the religion eh? Us Discordians use argument as a form of > > > > worship. > > > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > > > > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Sep 26 12:41:09 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:41:09 +0200 Subject: OFF: sappy prog Message-ID: didn't mean to spur on such an off-topic debate, but... DK counters my answer with... >>No, I don't think iQ is dark. They're "fake" dark, maybe. I find them very >>warm, in fact. Dreamy textures, the types of keyboards, the production? I >>don't know what it is, but something takes true 'darkness' out of my mind >>when listening to them. >I disagree. :-) OK, please return your mispressed CD to the store where you purchased it and ask for a proper copy. :) Seriously, this (Dark Matter) is a *very* happy album, full of playful guitar licks, warm sounds, upbeat melodies, and an overall uplifting spirit. Most (if not all) neo-prog is like that. The occasional 90-second "moody" passage is there just to provide some modicum of 'balance,' otherwise it would be too sickeningly happy. There is nothing here remotely unsafe or challenging in any way. And I *like* this album, though I admit it's a guilty pleasure, since I sometimes like to hear simple 'happy' music. >>Some of the Scandinavian bands are "true" dark IMHO. Some >>Anekdoten, Circle, Landberk...those are much darker than iQ I think. >I agree. :-) Also in a totally different genre. Yeah, one capable of being 'dark' for instance. :) >>Same as Marillion in that aspect (though Fugazi was produced vastly >>differently for some odd reason, and not at all very well IMHO...though >>in that way it had more edge, which for Marillion maybe wasn't >>the best thing, as it was thereby a bit 'forced'). >You don't think Script for a Jester's Tear is dark? Yeah. Well, 'dark' as opposed to 'light,' sure. Though I don't think of this album as an 'example' of dark music. If I took it song-by-song, I might say... Garden Party - dramatic, intense, and playful Forgotten Sons - dramatic, intense, and angry Chelsea Monday - dramatic, intense, and dark He Knows, You Know - dramatic, intense, spam, more intense, baked beans, and spam etc. You get the picture. Which is...this album is dramatic and intense (!), primarily. If one were to put primary adjectives on it. Dark (?)...well, sure, but that's not what comes to mind immediately, that one song notwithstanding. But anyway, 'neo-prog' for me lies much more in the direction of 'Misplaced Childhood' when (partly through production) the 'happy' sound was built into it. Other than a moody bit in the long suite at the end of Side One, this is also a very happy album. And Fish (solo) has continued to be happy most of the time, with a few notable exceptions. (I'm remembering "Speaking in Tongues" right now, and some of the Steve Wilson stuff was a bit darker.) >I agree Fugazi was the diferent. It sounds like you're simply talking about >production. No, not really (not only about production, though that's a big part of it.) >If a song is about death and mostly in a minor key, that's >pretty dark to me. A lot of IQ songs fit that bill. :-) Firstly, I don't care what the songs are about (I rarely even pay attention to that). Music is 'dark' to me when that becomes my emotional state when listening to the music, irregardless of 'key' or theme. Or vice versa (ie., I put it on *because* of my mood). Hence, if iQ is "dark," then they're "fake dark" 'cause they have no ability to do anything but lighten my mood. Which is fine of course. Adrian Belew's "Lone Rhino" does the same. >Well, I'm going to see them in October. I like the slow and atmospheric stuff. Bring your pillow. It's great at times, of course, but without bursts of energy every once in awhile, all momentum is lost in a live setting and the people stray. The Gathering is doing the same thing these days (sadly), and they're *totally* losing the audience. Why their managers, if they go out and stand out in the audience like they should, don't go back and tell them to liven up the setlist is beyond me. Hawkwind and Pink Floyd have never done this, though both have used copious amounts of atmospheric stuff. Moderation is the key, as always. >That was actually a bad gig, but mainly because here in Boston we got >a very abbreviated setlist because Pete Trewavas >had just been mugged up in Montreal the night before! They don't even need him anymore. Since he doesn't play anything remotely interesting these days, they could replace him with a bass sequencer. And I used to really like his playing! Marillion has gotten steadily worse each and every time I've seen them. I'm inclined to say that Hogarth has gradually sapped all of the life out of the group over time, but I have no idea (other than circumstantial evidence) to say whether that's really true or not. >>Their live performances have >>*twice* the energy as their discs, the exact opposite of Marillion, Marbles >>vintage. >I think that's comparing apples and oranges. Or marbles and tiddlywinks. I'll go see the tiddlywinks next time. :) Grakkl (FFA) From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sun Sep 26 14:20:25 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:20:25 +0100 Subject: HW : Norwegian Radio Special In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apparently Norwegian radio station NRK3 recently did a 2hour (2 hour!!) Hawkwind special. I've not been able to find it on their site, I think it's gone, but there's a BOC one up at the moment. You have to register, open the radio bit, and search for Harald... the show was on 13th Sept (playlist here : http://www2.nrk.no/spillelister/sending.aspx?prog=580&tid=2004-09-13%2020:03:00Z ) Those groovy Norwegians obviously have better radio than us Brits! Dave From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 26 20:51:47 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:51:47 EDT Subject: HW: religion and the joys of sex Message-ID: In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:48:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: I hope you wont want to burn me at the steak if my truth differs from your truth. I hope you don't burn the steak! Truth is best contemplated from a bottle with a beer on the side. Joe From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Sep 27 05:08:57 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:08:57 +0200 Subject: HW: NRK radio special Message-ID: Hej, yeah... they did the show. The singer from WE (Thomas) has a show on the radio every Monday night for 2 hrs and he only plays cool space and rock form the 60's and 70s (mostly). I just helped him to fill out his 70s HW vinyl collection and he did this show soon after! Cool.. Check out the new WE CD, Smugglers. Amazing stuff... Not really space rock like Dinosaur Futurobic but ass kicking psychedelic rock for sure! scott OBCd- Black Label Society- Hangover Music Vol VI From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 27 06:11:33 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:11:33 +0100 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:33:34 +0930 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > Whats a discordian? I am curious :) See The Illuminatus Trilogy for details. > Spirituality is all about SELF growth. Self Growth: It really is all about me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 27 06:13:38 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:13:38 +0100 Subject: HW: religion and the joys of sex In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:17:35 +0930 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > I hope you wont want to burn me at the steak if my truth differs from your > truth. For me, my spiritual journey is a personal thing. That's not to say > that I throw out the babies with the bath water. No, that'd be a waste of good food, wouldn't it? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 27 11:07:48 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:07:48 -0400 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: <200409271011.i8RABXGc014476@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 06:11, M Holmes wrote: > Muad'Dib writes: > > > Whats a discordian? I am curious :) > > See The Illuminatus Trilogy for details. Or, you could go to the horse's mouth and read the Discordian bible itself: The Principia Discordia. (Nowadays, you don't have to buy it from Loompanics, like I did; there are various versions available on the WWW, e.g., http://www.principiadiscordia.com/) (It was cool to discover after reading the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy that the _Principia Discordia_ was not actually a fictitious book. It kind of enhanced the whole guerilla ontology experience of the trilogy.:) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 27 19:42:12 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:42:12 -0400 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:11:33 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Self Growth: It really is all about me. "For the prettiest one", indeed! (hmmmm ... how many other wars have come about due to Discordian pranks?) All Hail Eris, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Sep 28 11:53:18 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:53:18 -0400 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 07:42:12PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > (hmmmm ... how many other wars have come about due to Discordian pranks?) Gavrilo Princip has to be an honourary Discordian :-/ (He's the one who assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914, thereby triggering WW I.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 28 14:37:53 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:37:53 +0100 Subject: HW Classic Rock Magazine (UK This Month) Message-ID: Each month Classic Rock features at least one live review of a show from years ago. This month includes a review of a HW Belfast show from 1973. The interesting aside is that the review is written by Carol Clerk, soon to be Hawk author. The whole thing takes up practically a whole page of the magazine with a very impressive photo of a painted Stacia doing her stuff. In the same issue both the Ian Abrahams book and the Out of the Shadows DVD get belated and pretty short reviews. Welcome coverage but there's the problem. 1973 gets a full page but 2004 gets about 1 column in total. 'Spose it's a bit more than most other publications in recent times. Mark From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Sep 28 15:16:17 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:16:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: "In Thee" strange places... In-Reply-To: <20040928183758.B048B1C00276@colossus.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: Went to the UK on US Air. On their classic rock channel was Lanier's "In Thee" from Mirrors. I wonder how much the airline pays for that kind of deal. Jason PS: the beautiful south is coming out with a cover of (df)tr on a new album. I saw it in a mag i was reading in the airport. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 28 16:47:09 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:47:09 -0400 Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) Message-ID: Hi, Last night I was in the studio, messing around with a bunch of Hawkwind songs on keys, and came up with a few songs that don't already have their chords on the Starfarer site (since some of them are instrumentals; a couple songs are missing chords for instrumental bridges on the website, so I've listed a those, too), so I thought I'd share my findings (as always, corrections/clarifications are most welcome!). I'm too lazy to type lyrics, so I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine the rhythms ... Seeing It As You Really Are: main riff: G-A end: G-F-(E) Wind of Change: Am-G-F-E Gremlin I: piano arpegio: Em piano+synth intro: Am-C-D-Em (x2) B-Em-Am-D (x2) Em synth midsection: mostly E octaves with the occasional D final piano part: D-G-A-D-G-C-D-Em (some of these only sound right with the correct chord inversion, so I could be wrong about some) Gremlin II: noise part: starts on F ... up chromatically to D ... stays around D & Eb melodic part: Cm-Ab-Bb-G-Eb-Fm-G Reefer Madness: instrumental starts by holding A (synth solo) instrumental/speech riff: D-C and/or D-Am (or maybe D-C6 or D-Am7) (the rest looks correct) City of Lagoons: main riff: E-D9 (repeated) chorus (for lack of better term): C-Bm Chronoglide Skyway: main riff: C-Bb (repeated) then Gb-Ab-Bb-C to resolve later, the bass line is C-D-E-F, so the main riff would be written as: C-Bb/D-C/E-Bb/F Jack of Shadows (I think this is in the wrong key on the Starfarer site): verses: A-G-C-D choruses: E-F-D(x2) E-F-G A-G-E-D-C-G-A instrumental bridge: C-D-Bb-C-Am-Bb-Em-F (missing from Starfarer site) outro: A-G-E-D-C-G-A (like end of chorus) Psi Power: instrumental bridge (keyboard solo): Bb-C (everything else looks correct) Valium Ten: instrumental bridge (organ chords): E-D-E-A-G (again, everything else looks correct) Have fun (I did!) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 28 17:03:06 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:06 +0100 Subject: "In Thee" strange places... In-Reply-To: <1096398977.4159b88199cfe@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: You should check out the cover too. Pretty clever stuff. Scroll down to the second posting on the thread over on the Buck Dharma site. http://www.buckdharma.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4159cd1f2c5d ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=9018 Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason M. Scruton Sent: 28 September 2004 20:16 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: "In Thee" strange places... Went to the UK on US Air. On their classic rock channel was Lanier's "In Thee" from Mirrors. I wonder how much the airline pays for that kind of deal. Jason PS: the beautiful south is coming out with a cover of (df)tr on a new album. I saw it in a mag i was reading in the airport. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 28 17:06:11 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:06:11 +0100 Subject: Beautiful South cover (Don't Fear) The Reaper In-Reply-To: <1096398977.4159b88199cfe@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: http://www.beautifulsouth.co.uk/bs/album.php (Don't Fear) The Reaper "The bleakly toe-tapping light metal classic re-imagined as a Latin salsa. No, really "Dave Rotheray was playing the riff in the studio and Damon, our keyboardist, joined in and, to be honest, I don't think he knew what the song was. So he just began to play this very Latin piano riff and Steady fell in and I wanted to say, no, let's stop this right here but it sort of suits it. Alison [Wheeler - co-vocalist] had no idea what the song was. I always thought they were German because of that umlaut in the name but they were from New York. Great lyrics but no idea what he's singing about. '40,000 men and women every day'. What does that mean?"" From youless at COX.NET Wed Sep 29 02:06:48 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:06:48 -0400 Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) Message-ID: Hi Doug Thanks for the suggestions and corrections! Generally I haven't bothered with trying to represent instrumentals...as I'm not really providing tablature, just lyrics & chords, you kind of *have* to have lyrics in there to show exactly where to place the chords :- ) Without writing out proper tablature I wouldn't know how else to represent the rhymthic nature of an instrumental. I've also largely focussed on the guitar parts and not those played by any other instruments. And you are quite right about the fact that I've put Jack of Shadows in the wrong key. (Apologies, everyone.) I know exactly how this happened. We've come across this phenomenon before of vinyl albums and CD's not having the same pitch. With the PXR5 album, the CD does have the verse as A-G-C-D. However the vinyl is Bb-Ab-Db-Eb, not a very guitar friendly key. I obviously listened to the vinyl when figuring out the chords and transposed the song by a half-step; but in the wrong direction. I sharpened it (the same as many UA-era recordings have to be sharpened from Eb to E to make them guitar-friendly) instead of making it a half-step flatter. So I'll change this on the site :-) Minor quibbles aside, the only other thing where I would disagree with you is on 'Seeing It As You Really Are', which I think has a main riff of F#....... E....... and a final chord of Eb lasting from 10:16 through to the end of the song at around 10:41 Does anyone know the words that were sung to this on the Space Ritual encore version? (It forms the coda to 'You Shouldn't Do That') Cheers Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:47:09 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >Hi, > >Last night I was in the studio, messing around with a bunch of Hawkwind >songs on keys, and came up with a few songs that don't already have their >chords on the Starfarer site (since some of them are instrumentals; a >couple songs are missing chords for instrumental bridges on the website, >so I've listed a those, too), so I thought I'd share my findings (as >always, corrections/clarifications are most welcome!). I'm too lazy to >type lyrics, so I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine >the rhythms ... (snip) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Sep 29 05:04:38 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:04:38 +0100 Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29/09/2004 07:06, Steve Youles wrote: > With the PXR5 album, the CD does have the verse as > A-G-C-D. However the vinyl is Bb-Ab-Db-Eb, not a very guitar friendly > key. I obviously listened to the vinyl when figuring out the chords and > transposed the song by a half-step; but in the wrong direction. I > sharpened it (the same as many UA-era recordings have to be sharpened from > Eb to E to make them guitar-friendly) instead of making it a half-step > flatter. Nah, tune down :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 29 06:54:33 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:54:33 +0100 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 07:42:12PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > > (hmmmm ... how many other wars have come about due to Discordian pranks?) > > Gavrilo Princip has to be an honourary Discordian :-/ (He's the > one who assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in > 1914, thereby triggering WW I.) I think Michael Mann and Mark Thatcher ought to get honorary membership too, for trying to ogranise a coup in Fernando Poo. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 29 14:37:05 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:37:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Germany again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Nick Medford wrote: > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:05:26 +0100, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > > > > Am I remembering right from old Freak Emporium catalogues that > >S/T's first release was called _Catatonic Airkraut_? I've always wondered > >what they were like just on the basis of that splendid title > > There's an entire S/T concert available for free download at > > http://www.faust-pages.com/st.durmentingen.download.html > > Includes a cover of "Silver Machine" incidentally. Quality is a bit > bootleggy, but listenable enough. I think they're an excellent band. They > have a rather nifty website at > > http://www.get-happy-records.com/st.htm > > which also has more MP3s. So we have a band who cover `Silver Machine' and `Woooly Bully' in their live set, issue an EP with the title of _Catatonic Airkraut_ and a follow-up called _The Difficult Second Album_, and whose promotional goods include a pizza which they then ate and mark on the website as "no longer available". To say nothing of the foundation legend I just about managed to piece together from the German which rivals the one in the _Doremi_ remaster for inspirational claptrap (this is good, by the way), and that that live set opens with a ten-minute track called `Story of a Long-Distance Flight'. I did rather feel as if someone had got themselves a time machine and gone back to 199-whatever and founded a krautrock band expressly designed to get my attention. They must have a time-machine, because I'd forgotten `Woolly Bully' completely for some years until hearing it in a club a scant few days before Nick posted this message and remembering how great it was. Kind of inevitable that the music disappoints given the level of self-marketing there; all quite clever and spooky but no interest in the rhythms at all. Remarkably full sound for a two-piece anyway, but both the basslines and guitar parts quite wearing after a while, or so I found. I had to listen to the concert several times before I decided this mind, and I imagine I will again. Their recorded work is definitely still on a to-investigate list. I decided that my final summation of the band based only on that concert was that if Steve Albini had, in some parallel dimension, been born instead to German hippies, somehow escaped his rage against digital media but not the fascination with novelty sleeves, and then one day somehow heard some Big Black on the radio (yes, I see the basic conceptual problem here but bear with me), then that might explain S/T. But as this hasn't obviously happened, I'm at a loss to explain them any other way. But, but, if you go and have a crack at that concert, you have to agree with me, when they wrote `My New Mobile' they were clearly channelling Bob Calvert. If _Test Tube Conceived_ had been written in 1995 not 1985 that song would have been on it. Anyway! I was supposed to be doing something productive I'm sure. Yours, Jon ObLP: Hawkwind - _Zones_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 29 17:19:22 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:19:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: <41416B35.8050400@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I never found either QotSA or the Foo Fighters fully satisfying. I mean, > the Foos particularly have occasionally turned out well-crafted little > pop-rock numbers -- I'll snap fingers whilst humming along to "Times > Like These" with the best of 'em -- I've never warmed to either band's > output as a whole. They just never seemed like enough _fun_. > > Both QotSA and the Foos seemed to benefit from Grohl's association with > the former, but now ..... eh, there's not so much to lose, IMO. Well, I played _Songs for the Deaf_ to death when I got it, and I still think it's very good though now I rarely feel the urge to play it. And the second one, _R_, that was also pretty good though less successfully contained in the MTV2 straitjacket. But it's undeniable I think that Grohl gave them the extra pace and credibility to break into that market, both by drumming and by celebrity, and while they might not now need the latter I wonder if they can, without Nick either who did, like, contribute almost all the fast numbers or so it sometimes seems, really find the former again. I'd like to see them continue to succeed just because it shows that archetypal stoners with a big affection for HW and the down-tuned sludge riff have the possibility of commercial success, you know? The fact that the records are good enough to be worth listening to is a bonus for a whole different set of reasons, such as for one radio I don't hate all the time. > Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a no-frills spacerock > band? :) Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time I say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little that prevented me agreeing to in the first place... Yours, Jon [1] I leave aside such trifles as my complete lack of musical talent naturally. ObCD: Neu! - _Neu!_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 29 21:04:10 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:04:10 EDT Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/2004 4:05:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: Nah, tune down :) Naaahhh: turn on, tune up, rock out! Joe From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 30 05:04:12 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:04:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29/09/2004 22:19, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a no-frills spacerock >> band? :) > > Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time I > say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little that > prevented me agreeing to in the first place... > [1] I leave aside such trifles as my complete lack of musical talent > naturally. The whole point of no-frills spacerock is that [1] doesn't matter so much :) At least, I've never let it bother _me_ :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Sep 30 05:05:40 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:05:40 +0100 Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 30/09/2004 02:04, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/2004 4:05:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: > > Nah, tune down :) > > Naaahhh: turn on, tune up, rock out! Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even faster than through the normal process of corrosion :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 30 19:51:46 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:51:46 EDT Subject: HW: chords (FAO Starfarer) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2004 4:05:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even faster than through the normal process of corrosion :) Naaaahhhh: tune up to get 'in tune'; whatever tuning yer using! Joe From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Sep 30 20:31:55 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:31:55 -0400 Subject: Beautiful South cover (Don't Fear) The Reaper Message-ID: According to the new BOC book, it's how many people they thought died everyday, but only a guess by the lyricist. (If you owned the book, you'd know that) tim 8>)... Tony wrote: > > http://www.beautifulsouth.co.uk/bs/album.php > (Don't Fear) The Reaper > > "The bleakly toe-tapping light metal classic re-imagined as a Latin > salsa. No, really > > "Dave Rotheray was playing the riff in the studio and Damon, our > keyboardist, joined in and, to be honest, I don't think he knew what the > song was. So he just began to play this very Latin piano riff and Steady > fell in and I wanted to say, no, let's stop this right here but it sort > of suits it. Alison [Wheeler - co-vocalist] had no idea what the song > was. I always thought they were German because of that umlaut in the > name but they were from New York. Great lyrics but no idea what he's > singing about. '40,000 men and women every day'. What does that mean?""