From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Fri Oct 1 05:06:04 2004 From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:06:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Elric Message-ID: Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but; Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be made about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief surf around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that after everyone else goes home ya know. And on a slightly serious note: Does anybody on here live in the Elland area of Huddersfield and if so would they care to recommend places to live ? Gotta new job and need new home (rent). Mark (Hasbeen) DISCLAIMER: Information contained in this email or any attachment may be of a confidential nature which should not be disclosed to, copied or used by anyone other than the addressee. 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From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Oct 1 05:16:30 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:16:30 +0100 Subject: Off: No-Frills SpaceRock Message-ID: Carl wrote: > On 29/09/2004 22:19, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a > >> no-frills spacerock band? :) > > > > Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time > > I say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little > > that prevented me agreeing to in the first place... [1] I > > leave aside suchtrifles as my complete lack of musical talent > > naturally. > The whole point of no-frills spacerock is that [1] doesn't > matter so much :) At least, I've never let it bother _me_ :) Doesn't bother me too much either - there are enough ways of blurring the edges (fuzz-boxes, oscillators, ring-modulators *heh-heh*) My problem is that everything between my elbows and the loudspeaker conspires to produce scuzzy blues-rock. However, between my V-Amp and some of the more extreme settings on my Alesis GuitarFX, I can at least make swooshy noises & sinister industrial/interstellar clatter. > > Nah, tune down :) > > > > Naaahhh: turn on, tune up, rock out! > > Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even > faster than through the normal process of corrosion :) You could always *koff* BUY NEW STRINGS! I have also seen a debate concerning the whys & wherefores of taking your bass strings off, tossing 'em in a pan of boiling water for half an hour and then restringing when dry. Sounds iffy to me, but if your strings are in a terrible state in the first place, what's to lose?? ChrisW :- wondering if he can afford a)more memory, b)a half-decent soundcard c)a bigger monitor for his crappy eyesight & d) a bigger, faster hard-disk while at the same time saving for a trip to Canada. (What is it with Helen's relatives & weddings in awkward places - Medicine Hat ferpetessake!) NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 1 05:38:41 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:38:41 +0100 Subject: Off: No-Frills SpaceRock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01/10/2004 10:16, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > Carl wrote: >> On 29/09/2004 22:19, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a >> >> no-frills spacerock band? :) >> > >> > Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time >> > I say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little >> > that prevented me agreeing to in the first place... [1] I >> > leave aside suchtrifles as my complete lack of musical talent >> > naturally. >> The whole point of no-frills spacerock is that [1] doesn't >> matter so much :) At least, I've never let it bother _me_ :) > > Doesn't bother me too much either - there are enough ways of blurring > the edges (fuzz-boxes, oscillators, ring-modulators *heh-heh*) > My problem is that everything between my elbows and the loudspeaker > conspires to produce scuzzy blues-rock. Well, what is spacerock but the sound of drug-crazed Mongolian shamans with powerful amplification equipment trying to play the Dr. Who theme as scuzzy blues-rock? :) > However, between my V-Amp and > some of the more extreme settings on my Alesis GuitarFX, I can at least > make swooshy noises & sinister industrial/interstellar clatter. Twiddling the knobs on the old delay pedal will get some good swoosh, too. Though I figure spacerock guitar really ought to just riff along crunchily while proper audio generators 'n' synths are called upon for swooshy noises. I mean, isn't Motorhead just Hawkwind except faster and without the swooshy noises? And isn't Motorhead also just basically scuzzy blues rock? So there ya go :) >> Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even >> faster than through the normal process of corrosion :) > > You could always *koff* BUY NEW STRINGS! Hmmm, a _radical_ idea, but it just might work! ;) > I have also seen a debate concerning the whys & wherefores of taking > your bass strings off, tossing 'em in a pan of boiling water for half an > hour and then restringing when dry. Sounds iffy to me, but if your > strings are in a terrible state in the first place, what's to lose?? I did actully break a bass string in rehersal earlier this year :) Admittedly, I had never changed the bass strings that were on the instrument when I bought it in '95, so I guess they had a good run :) Then I decided to be a string nazi and get exactly the gauge and brand I wanted, which turned out to mean ordering them from Germany. Sheesh. But I got 'em in the end. I really ought to get another set for when these break in another 10 years :) I've already got a random pile of different brands of guitar strings, and tend to slap any ol' new string on when an old one breaks. Actually, I think my mandolin has a mismatched string on it as well .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 1 09:29:21 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:29:21 -0500 Subject: Elric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but; >Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be >made >about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in >Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief >surf >around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that >after everyone else goes home ya know. Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did the American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from Mike. The first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of Melnibone. In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the post Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom. Mike has said that he is pushing for Paul Bettany as Elric http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079273/ who was in Master and Commander. A vote among fans has suggested they'd like Johnny Depp ;-) He has also said his last Eternal Champion book will be 'White Wolfs Son' which he's just finishing. Check out www.multiverse.org for more information, Mike posts alot of replies to messages on the forums. Rich From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Oct 1 10:05:32 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:32 -0400 Subject: Elric In-Reply-To: ; from cosmicdolphin@COMCAST.NET on Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:29:21AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:29:21AM -0500, Rich wrote: > >Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but; > > >Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be > >made > >about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in > >Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief > >surf > >around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that > >after everyone else goes home ya know. > > Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did the > American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from Mike. The > first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of Melnibone. > In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the post > Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom. I had an email exchange with Mike Moorcock a little while back (I was looking to use Elric in a little online writeup), and I was kind of shocked to hear that he had sold the rights to Elric lock, stock and barrel. He doesn't own anything to do with the character anymore. (Needless to say, I dropped the idea. Asking permission of a known fan-friendly author is one thing, approaching the IP-obsessive lawyers of Hollyweird is quite another.) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Oct 2 06:34:45 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:34:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Purple Overdose Tribute Special, and Atomic Bongload shows!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (October 2, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio, which is a Purple Overdose Tribute Special (show #112), and The Atomic Bongload (show #7). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NEW at the Aural Innovations CD Mail Order Catalog: Quarkspace - Node In Peril... The latest from Quarkspace is a collaboration with artist Matt Howarth, who created a comic book to go along with the ultra cosmic Quarkspace space journeys. Wicked Minds - From The Purple Skies... HEAVY prog-psych from Italy that recalls the glory days of Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, and other heavy Hammond and guitar driven 70's bands. Great songs and a killer rockin' set. For more information you can visit our mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: Purple Overdose Tribute Special (show #112) Purple Overdose were a band from Greece who became one of my favorite psychedelic bands of the past decade. Though they disbanded a couple years ago, the Purple Overdose spirit lives on with the recent release by On Stage Records of Painting The Air, an LP only collection of rarities and unreleased tracks from the 1980's. So having revisited the entire Purple Overdose catalog I decided to do a tribute special with selections from all their albums. "Magic Forest" (from Painting The Air) "Her Arms Embraced The Sun" (from Reborn) "Solemn Visions" (from Solemn Visions) "Fell From The Stars" (from Purple Overdose) "Holes" (from Exit #4) "Chase The Colour" (from The Salmon's Trip Live - LP version) "Golden Eyes" (from Indigo) 53:45-1:01:30 "Still Ill" (from Painting The Air) "Nobody There" (from Reborn) The Atomic Bongload (show #7) Gas Giant - "Storm Of My Enemies" (from Pleasant Journey In Heavy Tunes) Colour Haze - "Mountain" (from Colour Haze) Pentagram - "Show em How" (from Show em How) Wicked Minds - "From The Purple Skies" (from From The Purple Skies) Church Of Misery - "Road To Ruin" (from Early Works Compilation) Nebula - "Atomic Ritual" (from Atomic Ritual) Datura - "Euphoria" (from Visions For The Celestial) Zess - "A Forest Mass" (from Et In Arcadia Ego) Trigon - "Wenn Wir Dich Rauchen Schreien Wir" (from Herzberg 2004) Phased - "His Sordid Past" (Music For Gentlemen) Ripper - "Sinister Minister" (from ...And The Dead Shall Rise) http://Aural-Innovations.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 2 09:31:23 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:31:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Take Me To Your Leader on MC Message-ID: + + + ++ ++STAR WARRIORS + +++ In a few days time Mission Control will have downloadable preview clips of our new album "Take Me To Your Leader" in Real Audio and MP3 Preview tracks featured will be: To Love a Machine Greenback Massacre Spirit of the Age Out Here We Are Take Me To Your Leader Sunray Digital Nation Reality of Poverty Angela Android Letter it Robert More info on Mission Control early next week + ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + + + www.hawkwind.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 2 11:08:47 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:08:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Xmas Party Message-ID: + ++ +++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ + ++ We are pleased to announce our Xmas Party 2004 A very spectacular gig with loads of surprises (!!!) London Astoria 19th December 2004 Full details on Mission Control ASAP ! +++++++++ ++ ++ ++MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ ++ + From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 2 11:39:50 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:39:50 -0500 Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs Message-ID: Hi folks, Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates. That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to people, so who is going where? (since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) ) ..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the country for it. (woo hoo!) Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for accomodations?) Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again? I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Oct 2 11:50:44 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:50:44 +0200 Subject: upcoming HW gigs Message-ID: Hello Arin, Any chance of repeating the increadible work you did with the getting together of a hotel and band as you did a few years back? That was really great. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs > Hi folks, > > Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp > paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates. > > That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to > people, so who is going where? > > (since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs > ;-) ) > > ..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the > country for it. (woo hoo!) > > Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the > others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for > trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for > accomodations?) > > Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again? > I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to > hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.) > > Thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 2 12:16:56 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:16:56 -0500 Subject: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: <003d01c4a897$941308e0$0100a8c0@filip> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: :Subject: Re: upcoming HW gigs : :Hello Arin, : :Any chance of repeating the increadible work you did with the getting :together of a hotel and band as you did a few years back? :That was really great. I certainly hope to do group accomodation for London for we fans (if folks are interested), but I've no idea about band stuff (that's a bit early to tell, I think.) So as long as you just want accomodation, hopefully, I can find something ;-) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Oct 2 17:09:08 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:09:08 +0100 Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arin - Both Julie and I will be at the Astoria so pencil us in for possible group accomodation! Mick --- Arin Komins wrote: > Hi folks, > > Rich and I are coming into the country (having > *finally* gotten the temp > paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the > US) for the Dec. dates. > > That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really > love to catch up to > people, so who is going where? > > (since I'd like to know who we need to come > a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) ) > > ..and, they've just announced London! and we are > actually still in the > country for it. (woo hoo!) > > Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of > the gigs to any of the > others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, > if not, anyone up for > trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the > same places for > accomodations?) > > Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for > group accomodation again? > I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), > but I might be able to > hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous > years.) > > Thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 3 07:50:29 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:50:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Frond (variety of fern) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Brian Halligan wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > The Bevis Frond still going, > > just about, does anyone know what the new one's like yet? > > I wrote a review of it here: > > http://www.acidattackmusic.co.uk/ > > Basically, it's their best album of the post-Superseeder era. It's full > band along with Ade Shaw, Paul Simmons of the Alchemysts on occasional > leads and new drummer Jules Fenton, who is truly amazing. The song > "Through the Hedge" is a nice return to the sound of Miasma or Inner > Marshland, albeit better produced. Thanks for that Brian, it seems like a good one, and since they've kindly laid on a gig on a day I shall already be in London at someone else's expense I imagine I shall be getting it from the band themselves in fairly short order! Hurrah for psychedelic liveness! Yours, Jon n/p: My Dog Popper - _668: Neighbor of the Beast_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 4 03:40:54 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:40:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20040904151631.0255a310@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ian Jeffcock wrote: > BTW, anyone looked at Huw's site recently, there are a few MP3s up there: > 5 demo tracks from Huw's late 70's band Jawa, including a great version > of Rocky Paths for all you Huw era Hawkind fans! Definitely worth checking out! Following this up, I have to agree, those MP3s are worth checking out, but two questions spring to mind as a result; the first is, what on earth was Simon King on at the time? He's really very far from his best here, considering what he was doing the year before and the year after... The second thing is, in those files about guest appearances I in some sense maintain, of which the revised versions will be going public, ooh, any year now, I have Huw and Simon down as being in a band called Quasar in 1978; I'm guessing this is the same band, but does anyone know for sure? The other thing that's up on that website which is worth mentioning is a video of snippets of a fairly recent guest slot by Huw with the Assassins of Silence. Now, I've not seen the Assassins, but if that's what they're usually like I may not bother... It's like Hawkwind with all the life sucked out of it! Perhaps the video isn't catching the ambience properly, and as the site maintainer says there is a quite just concentration on the dancer, but still. Something about the vocals and pace. Ah well. Am I being unfair? Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 4 05:07:44 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:07:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence Message-ID: Hi Jon, No Assassins do really suck. The only folks I've really seen raving about them are themselves. Cheers Stephe > > From: Jon Jarrett > Date: 2004/10/04 Mon AM 03:40:54 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ian Jeffcock wrote: > > > BTW, anyone looked at Huw's site recently, there are a few MP3s up there: > > 5 demo tracks from Huw's late 70's band Jawa, including a great version > > of Rocky Paths for all you Huw era Hawkind fans! Definitely worth checking out! > > Following this up, I have to agree, those MP3s are worth checking > out, but two questions spring to mind as a result; the first is, what on > earth was Simon King on at the time? He's really very far from his best > here, considering what he was doing the year before and the year > after... The second thing is, in those files about guest appearances I in > some sense maintain, of which the revised versions will be going public, > ooh, any year now, I have Huw and Simon down as being in a band called > Quasar in 1978; I'm guessing this is the same band, but does anyone know > for sure? > > The other thing that's up on that website which is worth > mentioning is a video of snippets of a fairly recent guest slot by Huw > with the Assassins of Silence. Now, I've not seen the Assassins, but if > that's what they're usually like I may not bother... It's like Hawkwind > with all the life sucked out of it! Perhaps the video isn't catching the > ambience properly, and as the site maintainer says there is a quite just > concentration on the dancer, but still. Something about the vocals and > pace. Ah well. Am I being unfair? Yours, > Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Mon Oct 4 05:08:58 2004 From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:58 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes' work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works per se, just not my cuppa, might be time to reread them given the 25 year gap. Now I have something else to look forward too, wonder who they'll cast as Zarozania and Moonglum ? Mark (Hasbeen) >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:29:21 -0500 >From: Rich >Subject: Re: Elric >>Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but; >>Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be >>made >>about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in >>Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief >>surf >>around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that >>after everyone else goes home ya know. > >Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did the >American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from Mike. The >first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of Melnibone. >In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the post >Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom. > >Mike has said that he is pushing for Paul Bettany as Elric >http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079273/ who was in Master and Commander. A vote >among fans has suggested they'd like Johnny Depp ;-) > >He has also said his last Eternal Champion book will be 'White Wolfs Son' >which he's just finishing. > >Check out www.multiverse.org for more information, Mike posts alot of >replies to messages on the forums. > >Rich DISCLAIMER: Information contained in this email or any attachment may be of a confidential nature which should not be disclosed to, copied or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you receive this email in error, please delete the email from your computer. Internet communications are not secure and therefore W & J Linney Limited and/or its associated companies does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the W & J Linney Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the W & J Linney Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the W & J Linney Group for operational or business reasons. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 06:02:29 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:02:29 +0100 Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the > others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for > trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for > accomodations?) > > Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again? > I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to > hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.) Count me in. I'll probably try to do Cambridge/Exeter/London. Cheers Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 06:06:36 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:06:36 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: Mark Lee's message of Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:58 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Lee writes: > Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes' > work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth > and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some > of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the > other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works > per se, just not my cuppa I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. Cheers Mike From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Oct 4 06:52:57 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:52:57 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: Just for the look, Edgar Winter would make a great Elric, eh? tim 8>)... M Holmes wrote: > > Mark Lee writes: > > > Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes' > > work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth > > and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some > > of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the > > other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works > > per se, just not my cuppa > > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. > > Cheers > > Mike From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 4 07:21:52 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:21:52 +0100 Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: <200410041002.i94A2TF0001400@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 04/10/2004 11:02, M Holmes wrote: > Count me in. I'll probably try to do Cambridge/Exeter/London. Having been taken by surprise when the Cambridge Motorhead gig sold out over two months in advance (!), I'll definitely be aiming to do Cambridge Hawkwind! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 4 07:32:04 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:32:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkzine Message-ID: Dear All, slightly odd query this, but I ask it for someone else, to wit the sister of the late Larry Boyd. Apparently someone from Hawkzine has been in touch with her, and having learned with surprise and regret about Larry's death, asked if they could have a photo for the magazine. I know nothing about the people who run Hawkzine (for all I know you'e on the list) but she was after some reassurance that they couldn't `misuse' it. I'm not quite sure what she fears, but would anyone who does know the people involved feel able to provide such a reassurance? Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Fire in the Hole_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 4 12:55:30 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:55:30 -0600 Subject: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Arin & gang, The wife and I are interested in the Xmas show, so please put us on the group accommodation list/reunion. Br, Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:40 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs Hi folks, Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates. That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to people, so who is going where? (since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) ) ..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the country for it. (woo hoo!) Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for accomodations?) Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again? I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:29:05 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:29:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Date Additions Message-ID: + + +++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ ++ Additional GIG DATES: Saturday 4th December - Newcastle Opera House - 01912-320899 Sunday 19th December - London Astoria - 0207-434-9592 (XMAS PARTY) www.hawkwind.com ------------- + + + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + "I like to use automatic"................ From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:32:39 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:32:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Album Clips Online ! Message-ID: + ++ + + + STAR WARRIORS + + ++ A selection of clips from TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER are now available on Mission Control !!!! www.hawkwind.com + ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Oct 4 18:22:36 2004 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:22:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Album Clips Online ! Message-ID: All the links work for me, except Angela. Sounds excellent, can't wait to see them at Cheltenham!! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Album Clips Online ! >+ ++ + + + STAR WARRIORS + + ++ > > A selection of clips from TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER are > now available on Mission Control !!!! > > www.hawkwind.com > > + ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ > From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue Oct 5 04:37:27 2004 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:37:27 +0200 Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, On Oct 2, 2004, at 17:39 Uhr, Arin Komins wrote: > Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation > again? > I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able > to > hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.) Count me in, as well (and as usual with my sister). (c)IAO D+R -- || All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts || pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that || it is magnetic to the corruptible. || -- Missionaria Protectiva "Chapterhouse: Dune" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 5 08:27:37 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:27:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <4146DEEB.7090802@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > It's a fine line, I suppose, but there often seems to be that > indefinable bit of soul that makes you recognize a band as that band > even when the sound and even lineup can change radically. And other > times, even apparently minimal changes can completely chuck the band's > "soul" out the window. This has always struck me very much with BOC. Even after the Bouchards' departures, there's almost always a kind of breathlessness and excitement about BOC that keeps my attention. It's one of the things I missed in the Brain Surgeons before I finally adjusted to the fact that this was a Different Band. > Motorhead still sounds like "Motorhead" to me, though there are > (surprisingly ;) actual objective changes to the way their songs work > and sound (surprisingly). God knows that _Magical Mystery Tour_ sounds > damn little like _Please Please Me_, but it sounds like the Beatles > (wheras, say, John Lennon's solo stuff generally doesn't feel really > that "Beatley" to me). _Spectres_ sounds a lot different from _BOC_ to > me, but still like "BOC". _Club Ninja_, erm, doesn't, for some reason. > I was, however, willing to believe in _Imaginos_ as a "return to form" > (though it sounds little like other BOC albums) until I learned it was > nothing of the sort ;) Still cool, though :) Motorhead will always sound like Motorhead as long as Lemmy plays a Rickenbacker that fast :-) I reckon _Club Ninja_ fits my BOC template personally, it's just not very good, but it sounds more like a BOC record to me than _Mirrors_ and tRbN do in some ways. The latter is good and heavy on the lurking menace though which is what saves it for me. The only time I've really felt a BOC record entirely lacked that excitement was _Curse of the Hidden Mirror_, and after that it was quite hard to find in _Long Day's Night_ too. And it looks sadly as if in that respect LDN is just capturing the current live show accurately... Yours, Jon ObMP3: ICU - `Hurricane Fighter Plane' -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 09:42:11 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:42:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <41471CBE.5040000@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, John Swartz wrote: > The fact that "You'e Not the One" is a BOC song, now that we know "the > rest of the story"...well, I for one think that's great. A real Spinal > Tap moment for sure. The drummer goes off and writes a stupid song > about the producer (ripping off another song in the process), and the > producer puts it on the album! How cool is that? Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie Denise' in my book :-) You know? To get one joke song on an album by mistake is unfortunate; to get two on records begins to look like carelessness... :-) Yours, Jon ObLP: Iggy & the Stooges - _Raw Power_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 10:01:18 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:01:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <1095185745.41473551a3944@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Jason M. Scruton wrote: > Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be > re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name > here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour > obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." One > of the things that contributed to the "classic" sound is born out of the > "bandhouse"/SFG jamming telepathy methinks. I admit to kind of hoping, although I thought Danny was a fabulous bassist in his own right, that the new one will be slightly more metallised than Danny is. I don't hold out much hope of the sound changing dramatically for the new rhythm section because ultimately it will remain Buck, Eric and Allen (in about that order?) setting the pace, but when push comes to shove Danny's virtuosity, welcome though it be, seemed to drive less than, for example, Jon Rogers's simpler playing. I don't mean that the tendency I've mentioned for the band to become, don't know, softer and more comfortable, is actually down to Danny, but I can't help thinking that a change of bassist and possibly also drummer might be one way of halting or reversing it. You know? Bring back the raw edge! I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still, I'm not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another _Cultosaurus Erectus_... This does rather assume that we get another album at all, but again in that respect, if stagnation has set in, change has to be a first step towards solving that problem. > Sadly, I don't get the sense that the weight of the band's past catalog will let > them go far afield from what's comfortable, except for the inclusion of Allen's > jamming in Last Days of May and the drum/bass solo in Godzilla. We surely can't be the only fans thinking that's been there too long by now; I'm amazed it continues. > I don't know if eric is capable of evil freaking without lyrics referring to a > biker/convict/stranger out for revenge. Of course, we who think we could do better could always fling lyrics at them ourselves. I've got this sub-Clutch set I've been working on for ages now with no real will because they'll never be as good as whom I'm trying to rip off :-) If they'd be any good to BOC, I bet I can do better than John Shirley :-) Though the issue did seem partly to be what the band did to Shirley's original lyrics, as I remember. Ah well, never that simple eh? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 6 10:50:43 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:50:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06/10/2004 15:01, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But > as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still, I'm > not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another > _Cultosaurus Erectus_... Well, I wouldn't mind the lyrical-musical vibe of _ST_ but maybe with rather better production? I just can't get into the _thin_ sound of the early albums (and its a testament to the actual material on them that I still like them a lot :) Which isn't to say that I think BOC should sound like Kyuss :) That would be silly. BOC should sound solid and powerful; not too fuzzy and _definitely_ not to _thin_! :) Damn, they should get that guy who produced that Bruce Dickenson album, Chemical Wedding, to produce! What was his name? Roy Z, I think .... Great sound on that album. > Of course, we who think we could do better could always fling > lyrics at them ourselves. I've got this sub-Clutch set I've been working > on for ages now with no real will because they'll never be as good as whom > I'm trying to rip off :-) If they'd be any good to BOC, I bet I can do > better than John Shirley :-) Though the issue did seem partly to be what > the band did to Shirley's original lyrics, as I remember. Ah well, never > that simple eh? Thinking of Bruce D. plundering Blake, BOC could do worse than point themselves back towards the likes of HP Lovecraft .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 6 16:19:25 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:19:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie > Denise' in my book :-) Debbie Denise isn't a joke. Sorry if you don't like it. :-( From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 16:52:59 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:52:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <04A2C0D2-17D5-11D9-B723-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie > > Denise' in my book :-) > > Debbie Denise isn't a joke. Sorry if you don't like it. :-( I'm sorry Al! I've been having a search on the archives for where on earth I got that idea and I can't find it. I remember, or seem to, a post of yours about the song `Fire of Unknown Origin', and how it had been meant to go on instead of `Debbie Denise' but the producer had vetoed it. Because then you'd have been singing more songs on the album than Eric? And yet they put one of yours on anyway... Now I'm sure this post I remember was yours because I remember you saying how frustrating that was after you'd put every piece of imaginative expression you owned into those vocals. But I can't find hide nor hair of such a post in the archives so maybe I dreamt it :-( Anyay, somewhere in this mess I must have got the idea you weren't terribly attached to `Debbie Denise' since you'd wanted a different song on the album instead. But if I was wrong about that... and I discover whilst *trying* to find that post that tBS do `Debbie Denise' live occasionally... Ach. I made a mistake. It's not my favourite BOC song but I've never programmed it out of the CD. There are those I have. I'd rather have had that version of `Fire' myself, but hey, I got it in the end :-) Still rather abashed, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 6 21:19:39 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:19:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I'm sorry Al! I've been having a search on the archives for > where > on earth I got that idea and I can't find it. I remember, or seem to, a > post of yours about the song `Fire of Unknown Origin', and how it had > been > meant to go on instead of `Debbie Denise' but the producer had vetoed > it. Because then you'd have been singing more songs on the album than > Eric? And yet they put one of yours on anyway... Right story, wrong song. It was Tenderloin. I also think, though, that Fire is a better song than DD. Neither Debbie Denise or Tenderloin were very good live and it's easy to imagine a dramatic version of Fire that would stoke the applause meters. We did DD live in tBS but it didn't go over well either. Now that Ross the Boss is in the band it's unlikely we will ever play it again. We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. Any BOC-Lers in the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the website for details. Al From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 7 04:36:09 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:36:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07/10/2004 02:19, Albert Bouchard wrote: > We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to > let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a > major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. Ahhwooo! Sounds like fun :) > Any BOC-Lers in > the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in > Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the > website for details. Hmmm, still a little out of striking distance at present, which is a terrible shame! Ah well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Oct 7 07:53:11 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:53:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: ; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:39PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:39PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > We did DD live in tBS but it didn't go over well either. Now that Ross > the Boss is in the band it's unlikely we will ever play it again. > We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to > let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a > major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. Any BOC-Lers in > the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in > Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the > website for details. Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the Boss... :) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 7 08:52:21 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:52:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <20041007075311.A27958@cugc.org> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the > Boss... :) When I saw them it was the most high-energy Surgeons show I'd seen in 7 years. Wait until you hear how they're attacking songs like Tattoo Vampire and Operation Luv! Brian obCD> Box of Hammers From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Oct 7 13:38:08 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:08 -0500 Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question Message-ID: Hi folks, If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win? Thanks! Arin (still trying to find group rates on places.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Oct 7 14:02:21 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:02:21 +0100 Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arin, Location I reckon for us - its's only for one night. Thanks, Mick --- Arin Komins wrote: > Hi folks, > > If you had your choice between cost and location, > which would win? > > Thanks! > > Arin > (still trying to find group rates on places.) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Oct 7 19:54:44 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:54:44 -0600 Subject: rooms for xmas question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Arin, Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography. And thank you, Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question Hi folks, If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win? Thanks! Arin (still trying to find group rates on places.) From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:33:09 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:33:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: ; from blackblade@BHALLIGAN.COM on Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:52:21AM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:52:21AM -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: > Stephen Swann wrote: > > > > Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the > > Boss... :) > > When I saw them it was the most high-energy Surgeons show I'd seen in 7 > years. Wait until you hear how they're attacking songs like Tattoo > Vampire and Operation Luv! When Al announced the new guitarist I, no shit, jumped out of my chair and went bouncing around the room going Yes! Yes! -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Oct 8 03:54:58 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200 Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today. Message-ID: Forwarded from another list. Of course, I would recommend these guys strongly to anyone who likes improvisational hypnotic rock...these guys 'blanga' in their own unique way. Grakkl (FFA) ObCD: KromLek - Collective Conscious The next few days sees rare appearances by Finland's finest CIRCLE! If you're a fan of prog rock, krautrock, trance rock, psychedelic space rock - the CIRCLE experience is not to be missed... CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004 8th BRISTOL The Croft (w/ Fuzz Against Junk) 9th LEEDS Holy Trinity Chruch, Boar Street (w/ Guapo, Jazzfinger, LAKOM, etc) 10th NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE The Cluny (w/ :ultralyd / Jazzfinger Sound System) 11th EDINBURGH Studio 24 (w/ Moniak) 12th NOTTINGHAM Rescue Rooms (w/ Oxes) 13th LIVERPOOL Heven And Hell Club, Fleet Street 14th EXETER Three Fat Fish 15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!) 16th BRIGHTON The Engine Room (w/ Raised By Wolves / Charlottefield / Southall Riot) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:55:06 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:55:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome. So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004 From personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM Fri Oct 8 10:22:28 2004 From: personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM (Colin Watt) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:22:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House Message-ID: guys, has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if it is happening ? the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been closed for months now... I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but no reply - help, please ? cheers Col From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 06:10:54 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:54 +0100 Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:08 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hi folks, > > If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win? Location for me I guess. From gg at SIO4.COM Fri Oct 8 10:57:38 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:57:38 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris Allen wrote: > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive > that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid > move on my part because it is awesome. > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? i don't know the song, I have only "Alan Davey - bedouin", bought at the wacken open air festival... i've never found the cds online. Keep an eye on play.com , sometimes they got some succulent CDs... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 8 09:14:38 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:14:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: <002d01c49b46$de3ea540$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Tony wrote: > Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't use > for a "comfort" break! Honourable mention for Jean-Paul Gaster from Clutch. All Clutch songs should have a drum break in! Though I'm inclined otherwise to agree with something I remember Larry Boyd saying about drum soloes, which was to wonder why the band traditionally stops playing for these, when they don't for any other instrument... Otherwise... Well, Carl Palmer's soloes are something to *watch*, but not really to listen to. I've never yet had the luck to be able to catch a Bouchard drum solo but I can well imagine it'd be music all right, which is where most seem to fall down to my ears. Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Out and Intake_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 8 11:33:36 2004 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:33:36 +0100 Subject: Bedouin Message-ID: It is track 1 off (sadly missed) Bedouin's last album "As Above So Below" which was available through their website http://www.bedouin.info/ if it's not mail me off list and i can perhaps help you out cheers Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: HW: Bedouin I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome. So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.767 / Virus Database: 514 - Release Date: 21/09/2004 From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 8 11:41:58 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House Message-ID: Hi I have no server records of emails from you at the address wherever you mailed, it wasn't here ! Newcastle info will be up by Monday at the latest ! Hope that helps Rik On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:22:28 -0400, Colin Watt wrote: >guys, >has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if it >is happening ? > >the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been >closed for months now... > >I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but no >reply - help, please ? > >cheers >Col From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 8 11:43:43 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:43:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: Hi Why not check out our www.bedouin.info site? Rik On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:55:06 +0100, Chris Allen wrote: >I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome. >So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? > >Chris > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004 From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 8 12:09:05 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:09:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today. Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004 >15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!) Circle, Guapo, and Sunroof!. What an incredible lineup. I suspect that if you go in cold, Circle and Sunroof! might not immediately click, depending on what vein Circle is currently mining, and depending on how your eardrums can handle high-decibal ringing drone. And how Guapo sounds might depend a lot on whether they're playing as a duo or a trio. But boy would I love to hear this show. Stephan From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:14:57 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:14:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote: > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome. > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty cool. There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy the album , though it hasn't been updated since 2002 .... Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a US reseller!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:40:04 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:40:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <4166A679.8080509@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 08/10/2004 15:38, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Oh, looks like Freak Emporium has some. Go to > and > scroll down to Bedouin. Ah, sorry false alarm! They have Alan's solo album titled _Bedouin_ (which, frankly, isn't as good). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:38:49 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:38:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote: > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? Oh, looks like Freak Emporium has some. Go to and scroll down to Bedouin. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 04:12:21 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:12:21 +0100 Subject: rooms for xmas question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08/10/2004 00:54, Mark Licht wrote: > Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also > in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography. Not really. It's only an hour by train between Cambridge and London, but you'd have a tough time getting a London train at the time of night that a gig (even a Cambridge gig) was finishing. It's a scramble even getting a post gig London>Cambridge train. 'Course, if you had rented a car or something you could try driving .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Oct 8 14:55:58 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:55:58 -0700 Subject: HW: my Hawkwind radio show playlist Message-ID: Boc-L Recordings of my Norwegian radio broadcasts of Hawkwind and related spacerock specials on RadioRakel and Topp Radio are now availible on CDR for trade - please specify, some broadcasts are not yet availible as they have to be transferred somehow from videotape! Thanks! http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/playlist.html From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Oct 8 14:39:05 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:39:05 -0700 Subject: HW: is anyone still listening? who invented the spacerock riff? Message-ID: One may make claim to saying Dave Brock as a gentleman or as a criminal mind after Syd Barrett. One could also say a Bob Calvert was great man with Orgones, or that there was an assault and battery for a battery hen. As a pensioned spacerocker/spacerock head on welfare I make cliams to have invented the spacerock riff on welfare, baddoumbaddoum baddoum.. rumbliy bass, to quote Here And Now "A Flaming Lance Shining Like A Beacon" or that Daevid Allen invented the Glorious Om Riff with Steve Hillage, though they were "inverted". Is anyone still listening to me? X-Ray Spex "Germ Free Adolescents" - Great Spacerock. Michael Moorcock-Jerusalem Commands - Four Minute Warning! +++In Your Area (a CD I once had in my proud posession with over 70 other Hawkwind CD's) - By the way, this list is full of jukes!!! regards, still in psychiatric prison for criminal minds, Chr. aka Blockbuster (who fell from the Stars and went on a Rampage) "have you ever spent the night in jail, well I have!" -The Standells From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:01:15 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:01:15 -0500 Subject: rooms for xmas question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exeter is about 3 hours by rail from London, cambridge is slightly nearer, about 1 hour by rail from London. We will be at both those gigs. Currently we have tickets for Telford, Cambridge, and Exeter, we will also be at London and Swindon (though the tix aren't on sale yet) Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:55 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: rooms for xmas question Hey Arin, Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography. And thank you, Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question Hi folks, If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win? Thanks! Arin (still trying to find group rates on places.) From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:16:30 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:16:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Tickets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heads up Swindon gig tickets are now on sale via the Oasis Box Office: http://www.swindon.gov.uk/sbc-thedomeseries-lnk Rich From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:20:36 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:20:36 -0500 Subject: HW: (the former) Newcastle Opera House In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heres what happened to the venue, it's now under new management, with a new name and re-opens on October 17th. http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0300entertainment/0600theatre/tm_objectid= 14669987&method=full&siteid=50081&headline=spotlights-back-on-at-tyne-name_p age.html Rich From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Fri Oct 8 15:29:34 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:29:34 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?TU9UT1JIRUFEOiAgRnJvbSB0aGUgbW91dGhzIG9mIGJhYmVz?= Message-ID: I couldn't make this up if I tried. . . My 3-year-old daughter just heard Motorhead for the first time. . . (No, not on purpose. I'm not trying to indoctrinate her this young.) The first thing she said upon hearing it was, "Dad, is that Cookie Monster singing?" --Nick From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Oct 8 15:33:57 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57 -0600 Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes In-Reply-To: <200410081929.i98JTYXC10373547@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: > The first thing she said upon hearing it was, "Dad, is that Cookie Monster > singing?" and your answer? Brad From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:41:40 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:41:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: << I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still, I'm not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another _Cultosaurus Erectus_... >> I wouldn't mind another Club Ninja! From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:44:31 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:44:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I may just say - F***ING EXCELLENT. I cannot wait!!!! Please do a tour in the UK. I know at least three people who will go....!;-) <<...Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. >>> From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:45:42 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:45:42 +0100 Subject: Newcastle Opera House In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought the Opera House had closed down? Maybe that's just a poor rumour. T -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Colin Watt Sent: 08 October 2004 15:22 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House guys, has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if it is happening ? the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been closed for months now... I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but no reply - help, please ? cheers Col From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Oct 8 20:23:06 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:23:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves as we speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and I'll give you full details. Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote: > > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome. > > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon? > > The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty cool. > > There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy > the album , though it hasn't been > updated since 2002 .... > > Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even > Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a > US reseller!). > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Oct 9 11:12:00 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:12:00 -0500 Subject: (the former) Newcastle Opera House In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excellent! we now have tickets for all the December gigs (except Newcastle) Rich From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Oct 9 11:28:25 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:28:25 -0500 Subject: Nik's US tour Message-ID: So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any reports from other shows? John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Oct 9 11:35:43 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:35:43 -0400 Subject: Nik's US tour Message-ID: Hi John, I'll be going to the Cleveland gig tonight. I can let you know tomorrow. Cheers Stephe > > From: John Majka > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat AM 11:28:25 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Nik's US tour > > So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any > reports from other shows? > John Majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 9 12:07:11 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:07:11 -0400 Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED Message-ID: + ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ + 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control: www.hawkwind.com + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ + From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 12:41:40 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:41:40 EDT Subject: Nik's US tour Message-ID: Hi Jon, I saw 3 Nik shows this tour. The 1st in NYC i'd rank a 7.5..short show kind of disjointed. The 2nd in Philly and 8.5, disjointed in spots but great venue and lightshow. The 3rd in NJ a 9.1..the band has completely gelled, it is a much different band than the one I first saw in NYC a few nights before, very tight, very heavy!. Excellent show even if the venue was a bit small. This one ranks with the Hawks! DO NOT MISS THIS TOUR!!!!! YOU ARE IN FOR A BIG SURPRISE!! Best regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:13:10 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:13:10 EDT Subject: NEW HAWKWIND BOOK Message-ID: As and extra bonus to attending the nik shows, one can purchase the EXCELLENT new book by our very own Ian Abrahams. I was not going to buy it, considering I have read just about everthing on the Hawks in the last 30 years, including the difinitive 'Do Not Panic' by Kris Tait. A friend picked it up for me as a birthday present at one of Nik's gigs. Well guess what?...I knew shit!. This one is chocked with new info i'd never heard anywhere before and it is extremely well written..I'm on my 3rd read since last friday. The 'Afterward ' was worth the price of the book and leaves the reader with a sense of sadness over the riff between Nik and Dave but leaves little doubt on which side of the line the author's feet are firmly planted. Job well done! Best regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:21:19 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:21:19 EDT Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST Message-ID: Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and Mike. And also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an excellent slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin! Best regards, Bill Stewart From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:37:14 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:37:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: Believe it or not, rather than go to the bank and ask for a chequebook, I did a wee Google search and found it on the CD Services site. I recognised the name of the site and bought the CD. I was actually just about to post saying "here, doesn't someone on this list run CD Services?"... Funny how things go, innit? C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves as we > speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and I'll > give you full details. > Andy G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > To: > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > > > > On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote: > > > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that > for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my > part because it is awesome. > > > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't > Amazon? > > > > The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty cool. > > > > There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy > > the album , though it hasn't been > > updated since 2002 .... > > > > Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even > > Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a > > US reseller!). > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004 From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 17:35:21 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:35:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: Nice one - but one thing - I don't RUN CD Services, or more the point (I presume you meant) I don't own CD Services - I merely work for them - it may LOOK as tho' I run it (lol) but that's what ya get for having pride in yer work, I guess. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Allen To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > Believe it or not, rather than go to the bank and ask for a chequebook, I > did a wee Google search and found it on the CD Services site. I recognised > the name of the site and bought the CD. I was actually just about to post > saying "here, doesn't someone on this list run CD Services?"... > Funny how things go, innit? > > C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyberkrel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > > > > We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves as > we > > speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and I'll > > give you full details. > > Andy G > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > > > > > > > On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote: > > > > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that > > for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my > > part because it is awesome. > > > > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't > > Amazon? > > > > > > The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty > cool. > > > > > > There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy > > > the album , though it hasn't been > > > updated since 2002 .... > > > > > > Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even > > > Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a > > > US reseller!). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Carl > > > > > > -- > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004 From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 17:43:35 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:43:35 +0100 Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST Message-ID: Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last track is still to die for. But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!! Andy G (mix of humour and request) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and Mike. And > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an excellent > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin! > > Best regards, > Bill Stewart From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Oct 9 17:48:10 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:48:10 -0400 Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST Message-ID: Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you. Cheers Stephe > > From: Cyberkrel > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last > track is still to die for. > But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And > noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have > you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!! > Andy G (mix of humour and request) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > > > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the > > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and > Mike. And > > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an > excellent > > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin! > > > > Best regards, > > Bill Stewart > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 21:25:14 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:25:14 +0100 Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST Message-ID: Thanks alot - that's real good of you. Have a good one, Andy Garibaldi (Dead Earnest/CD Services) www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe Lindas To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you. Cheers Stephe > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > > > Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last > > track is still to die for. > > But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And > > noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have > > you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!! > > Andy G (mix of humour and request) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM > > Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > > > > > > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the > > > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and > > Mike. And > > > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an > > excellent > > > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Bill Stewart > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 21:27:44 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:27:44 +0100 Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST Message-ID: ooops - that should have gone privately - ah wot the heck, it's 2.25am and I'm tired - altho tomorrow night it's off to see Wildhouse in concert up here (like a cross between Can, Velevet Underground and psych jamming - awesome band). Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe Lindas To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you. Cheers Stephe > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > > > Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last > > track is still to die for. > > But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And > > noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have > > you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!! > > Andy G (mix of humour and request) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM > > Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST > > > > > > > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the > > > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and > > Mike. And > > > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an > > excellent > > > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Bill Stewart > > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 9 21:26:02 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:26:02 -0500 Subject: Nik's US tour In-Reply-To: <000701c4ae14$9ece36b0$6701a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, John Majka wrote: :Subject: Nik's US tour : :So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any :reports from other shows? I don't think we are going to go, but for anyone who is going....the Chicago marathon is on tomorrow, so traffic to/from Chicago could be impacted. Just keep it in mind for your travel plans. Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 10 07:54:53 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:54:53 -0400 Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland Message-ID: Hi Folks, What an amazing evening. Great to see some old friends and meet some new ones. I was looking forward to seeing this show for quite some time. I have no idea who the opening act were. Pretty good space rock jam type band. Harvey was up next. The 1st song, I have no idea what it was called. He did Dreamworker, It could be day, Smart pills in the DNA lounge and a newer one I don't know the title to. Harvey just keeps getting better and better in my opinion. All this soaked with the images from the solar fire light show. They got some new lights and put on an amazing light show. Can't wait to see them again at Halloween. Up next was Nik and Spaceseed. The setlist for them was posted in the review of the NY gig I believe. These guys were tight. They made the band he played with in 2001 look like amateurs. Spaceseed has a great stage presence. I'd like to see them again on their own. Anyone who is thinking of going to the gig in Chicago tonight, do so. It will be an amazing time. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Oct 10 09:11:25 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:11:25 EDT Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/2004 7:55:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: Which song was the highlight? Did Nik do Communique? Bill From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Oct 10 09:39:06 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:39:06 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBNT1RPUkhFQUQ6ICBGcm9tIHRoZSBtb3V0aHMgb2YgYmFiZXM=?= Message-ID: Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep listening, which would have resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying some things that Cookie Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the Children's Television Workshop cameras are rolling. Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as well. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: dahl at AROS.NET >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57 > >> The first thing she said upon hearing it was, >"Dad, is that Cookie Monster >> singing?" > >and your answer? > > >Brad From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 10 12:30:38 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:30:38 -0400 Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland Message-ID: I'd have to say Orgone Accumulator. As far as Communique I don't think so. There were a couple of version that were strange. Like You shouldn't do that. It was a good, but different than how I've ever heard it done. Cheers Stephe > > From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM > Date: 2004/10/10 Sun AM 09:11:25 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland > > In a message dated 10/10/2004 7:55:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > > Which song was the highlight? Did Nik do Communique? > > Bill > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 10 19:31:56 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:31:56 EDT Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/04 15:49:39 GMT Daylight Time, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as > well. > I certainly did. So did everyone else I told. Thanks for that one. Are you taking her to see Motorhead? Give her some cookies to throw at Lemmy. Steve. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 03:20:33 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:50:33 +0930 Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes Message-ID: and you don't want to lie to your kids either :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes > Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep listening, which would have > resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying some things that Cookie > Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the Children's Television > Workshop cameras are rolling. > > Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as > well. > > > --Nick > >>----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >>From: dahl at AROS.NET >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57 >> >>> The first thing she said upon hearing it was, >>"Dad, is that Cookie Monster >>> singing?" >> >>and your answer? >> >> >>Brad > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 03:23:48 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:53:48 +0930 Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes Message-ID: hash cookie monster perhaps ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes > In a message dated 10/10/04 15:49:39 GMT Daylight Time, > nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > >> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as >> well. >> > > I certainly did. So did everyone else I told. > Thanks for that one. > > Are you taking her to see Motorhead? Give her some cookies to throw at > Lemmy. > > Steve. > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 11 05:47:14 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:47:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Cambridge venue Message-ID: Hey Folks... I'm still trying to decide about what weekend to come to the UK. The "change" in plan to make the Xmas show again in London, as opposed to the Exeter gig the night before, makes the 'second' weekend perhaps more enticing now. However, I didn't much care for the Astoria's acoustics last year, and figure that nothing much has changed in the last 12 months on that account. But, if it will indeed be the show with some surprise guests and/or extra encore tracks, or even the pre-/post-game festivities as in year's past, it might still be a worthwhile experience. So...as one gig (especially in an murky echo chamber) is never enough from one HW tour, I would think about the Cambridge show on the 17th as well. Exeter is kind of far to travel out and back, you know. And so I had a look just now online to see about this so-called "Corn Exchange". (Is this name the subject of some sort of local joke these days? Or am I the only one who thinks such awful thoughts?) Anyway, this place looks really cool...photo-wise I mean. And although I would prefer a place where one has the option of either standing *or* sitting (and this place seems to be 100% seating?), I would be willing to "sit" through a Hawkwind show to have a really excellent view and great sound. Given that the Astoria show will be the exact opposite. And plus....read what they put in the "Wir ueber uns" bit! ---------------------------------------------------------- Situated in the heart of the historic university city of Cambridge, the Corn Exchange is an impressive example of Victorian architecture, combined with 21st Century technology and full disabled access. One of the leading concert venues of the UK, the venue offers above all S P A C E in the heart of the city - space which is flexible, well serviced and expertly staffed and is large enough to cater up to thirteen hundred delegates. ----------------------------------------------------------- offers *ABOVE ALL* SPACE!!! Can't get much better than that! So...as Cambridge could also potentially become my next home (sad, but true), I might also want to check out the area in advance. So, Arin...that means I might be a participant in the 'hotel search' plan. Put me in the "cheap" category! :) Actually, I'll pay anything to avoid that nonsense of two years ago of taking the trip back to Gatwick at 4 AM in the morning completely off my ass. I have to shed some of my 'Geizhals' ways. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Pothead - Live in Berlin P.S. Why do they make it so hard to go from Luton to Cambridge (and vice versa) by train? They've got these two parallel lines very close to together going north (from what I remember) and no easy way to switch over without going all the way into King's Cross and back out. And the airport bus (I think) only runs every two hours, which (because it's going to an AIRPORT, with flights rather more often than just every two stinking hours) makes it almost entirely useless. Anyway.... From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 11 06:01:14 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:01:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Cambridge venue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/10/2004 10:47, Henderson Keith wrote: > And so I had a look just now online > to see about this so-called "Corn Exchange". (Is this name the subject of > some sort of local joke these days? Or am I the only one who thinks such > awful thoughts?) > Anyway, this place looks really cool...photo-wise I mean. And although I > would prefer a place where one has the option of either standing *or* > sitting (and this place seems to be 100% seating?), I would be willing to > "sit" through a Hawkwind show to have a really excellent view and great > sound. Given that the Astoria show will be the exact opposite. The Cambridge Corn Exchange is a bit of a barn, really (it being where corn used to be bought and sold), but we ain't got no better here! The put out plastic stacking chairs on the main floor for shows where they expect the audience to creak into their chairs, but clear the floor for standing otherwise; I'm guessing HW's audience still rate a standing show, but I suppose I could be wrong :) I think the seats in the balcony are permanent, but I've actually never been up there .... So, in short, the Cambridge Corn Exchange ain't got the greatest acoustics in the world, and the seating comes and goes at the whim of the venue, but it is much closer and cheaper to get to than London (for me)! It does the job. > P.S. Why do they make it so hard to go from Luton to Cambridge (and vice > versa) by train? They've got these two parallel lines very close to > together going north (from what I remember) and no easy way to switch over > without going all the way into King's Cross and back out. And the airport > bus (I think) only runs every two hours, which (because it's going to an > AIRPORT, with flights rather more often than just every two stinking hours) > makes it almost entirely useless. Anyway.... Because, by European standards, the UK's transport network (I use the term loosely) sucks. And I assume that some directive has been issued somewhere that states that this suckiness must be maintained and expanded at the greatest cost possible, since only this can explain the current state of affairs adequately. Ah well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 11 06:07:52 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:07:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today. Message-ID: At last...Circle headlining and doing their own tour. I've only ever seen them as a support band. I think I saw them at the Spitz before which is quite a small venue so it makes the gigs very intimate. I know the venue in Liverpool to which is also quite small. Circle really are the best trance rock band going. I hope to be at the London gig on Friday. On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Forwarded from another list. > >Of course, I would recommend these guys strongly to anyone who likes >improvisational hypnotic rock...these guys 'blanga' in their own unique way. > >Grakkl (FFA) > >ObCD: KromLek - Collective Conscious > >The next few days sees rare appearances by Finland's finest CIRCLE! >If you're a fan of prog rock, krautrock, trance rock, psychedelic >space rock - the CIRCLE experience is not to be missed... > >CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004 > >8th BRISTOL The Croft (w/ Fuzz Against Junk) >9th LEEDS Holy Trinity Chruch, Boar Street (w/ Guapo, Jazzfinger, >LAKOM, etc) >10th NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE The Cluny (w/ :ultralyd / Jazzfinger Sound >System) >11th EDINBURGH Studio 24 (w/ Moniak) >12th NOTTINGHAM Rescue Rooms (w/ Oxes) >13th LIVERPOOL Heven And Hell Club, Fleet Street >14th EXETER Three Fat Fish >15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!) >16th BRIGHTON The Engine Room (w/ Raised By Wolves / >Charlottefield / Southall Riot) From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 12:05:33 2004 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:05:33 EDT Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews Message-ID: I had a great time seeing Nik Turner and Spaceseed last week at two of their gigs, and wanted to write a brief report. The first gig I caught was on Saturday Oct.2 at the University of Pennsylvania. The Rotunda was a great venue for this FREE show. It was a large room with a very high ceiling, and Scott from The Solar Fire Lightshow used the full height of the wall behind the stage for the lightshow. He had projectors at ground level and up in the balcony as well. The light show was awesome. As I arrived Sub-primitive were just starting their set. They played heavy space rock with a strong Chrome influence. As this was the first time I'd seen them, I'm not sure who is in the regular line up, but it seemed like they were joined by some guests, including Damon on digideroo, and Nik Turner came on to jam for the end of their set. A very nice performance from Bob Lennon and the guys. The only two numbers I recognized were Brainstorm (without Nik), and the garage rock oddity Little Black Egg., but I enjoyed the new tunes very much as well. Next up were Cotton and Billawtwm and friends. This was a very intense set spotlightling the synth playing of Cotton Casino, formerly of Acid Mothers Temple, with Billawtwm on guitar, and a drum and bass rhythm section. Otherworldly, intergalactic space rock, with heavy guitar rhythms, this stuff nearly took the top of my head off in a good way. After a short break it was time for Nik and Spaceseed. This was the first time I got to see Spaceseed and I was really blown away. They definitely had their Hawkwind music down. The set, was comprised entirely of Hawkwind material from the seventies. Everybody in ?Spaceseed was fantastic . John Pack on guitar and vocals, and John Stanton on bass were just great recreating the classic Hawkwind sound. The band also featured the very strong stage prescence of two wonderful female performers, Gal-Axy ?rockin' away on keyboards, and Cyndee Leee Rule on violin. Rounding out the group[ were The Subliminator on synths and subliminal and liminal vocals, and a fine drummer whose name I unfortunately did not catch. The set was, more or less, from memory: Spaceseed opened with one of their tunes Nik's introduction The Right Stuff Soni Attack Ejection Children of the Sun The Awakening Orgone Accumulator D-Rider Welcome To The Future You Shouldn't Do That/ Opa-Loka Brainstorm Masters of the Universe Silver Machine Everything was played really well, and Nik did an audience sing along of Bones of Elvis to cap it off. Also, Chef Jeff provideed a wonderful spread of salads, pastas, and other snacks, so thanks to him for that. Great to see Bob Lennon, Bill and Beverly Stewart, Damon and Diane, and others ?I'm bound to have forgotten. I also got to pick up Ian Abrahams new Hawkwind book which was available at the gig, as well as the Nik and Spaceseed CD Future Cities of the Past. The CD is truly great as well, and features all new originals, good strong tunes in a space rock vein. Nik contrubutes sax to most of the tracks, and does a spoken word vocal on the final track. I highly recommend this. It's the best new spacerock CD since Litmus's You Are Here CD. I also got new stuff from Cotton Casino, who had many CD's on offer at the show as well. The other gig was at The Court Tavern in New Jersey clsoe to the Rutgers University campus, really making this feel like a university tour for me. This was on Weds. Oct. 5. I got completely lost on the way there, (what do New Yorkers know about New Jersey), and misssed the Cosmic Brotherhood of Ra. I'm sure they were very good, as everyone gave me a good report, and they performed High Rise with Nik as a guest. I did get their 3 song EP and loved it, so I feel extra bad I didn't make it on time for them. I did get to see The One Eyed Bishops featuring Mike Burro of Sloterdijk fame. I enjoyed their set. I would put them more in the garage rock or rockin' blues band category, than space rock. Their version of Smokestack Lightening with Stewkey from the old band The Nazz on vocals evoked the Yardbirds sound for me. The highlight of their set was a version of Hurry On Sundown with Nik Turner guesting. Nik and Spaceseed were even hotter and tighter this night than at the othere gig I saw. They didn't get on until close to one AM, and the versions of some of the songs were a bit less jammed out than in Philly. The set list was the same except that they added the song Communique (off the Prophets of Time CD) into the set. This was played just before You Shouldn't Do That, I believe, and was a really excellent surprise addition. I don't think I've seen Nik do this one live before. Orgone Accumulator, Opa-Loka, and Silver Machine were all especially fantastic at this gig. I just want to close by thanking Bob Lennon and Mike Burro for their excellent support slots. Big thanks to Scott from Solar Fire, for the awesome light show, for driving the bus, for bringing live space rock to America yet again. Huge thanks to the lads and lasses of Spaceseed. What can I say. I had no idea. You folks rule. You may yet save space rock in America. And thanks to Nik. Thanks for keeping the spirit alive in the U.S. Thanks for coming and come back soon. Peace out, everybody, Eli Friedman From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Oct 11 12:53:04 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:53:04 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBNT1RPUkhFQUQ6ICBGcm9tIHRoZSBtb3V0aHMgb2YgYmFiZXM=?= Message-ID: Never understimate lying as an important parental tool! --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: "Muad'Dib" >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:50:33 > >and you don't want to lie to your kids either :) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:09 PM >Subject: RE: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of >babes > > >> Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep >listening, which would have >> resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying >some things that Cookie >> Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the >Children's Television >> Workshop cameras are rolling. >> >> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I >figured some of you would as >> well. >> >> >> --Nick >> >>>----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >>>From: dahl at AROS.NET >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57 >>> >>>> The first thing she said upon hearing it was, >>>"Dad, is that Cookie Monster >>>> singing?" >>> >>>and your answer? >>> >>> >>>Brad >> From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 11 13:11:14 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Hey Folks... I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online. I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people love it, right?) Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out Here, We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. the studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the last several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I guess they weren't that important after all. Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to that, but... Grakkl (FFA) P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was happy to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If they'd been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool. And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) Strange Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration factor, not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of them were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon King was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 13:18:35 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:18:35 EDT Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2004 12:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, EliPXR5 at AOL.COM writes: <<<<>> The Heat Worshipping Space Zombies (instrumental version)*** from Future Cities of the Past PT1, would be the tune. B From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 13:54:18 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:54:18 -0500 Subject: New album... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hola Keith.. Tickets are on sale for Cambridge and London, (as well as Swindon, Exeter, and Telford) http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/cgi/asp_events/perfname.asp?searchname=Hawkwin d&vaxname=UK2&venuenum=28&category=Music (Ticketmaster link for the Astoria Tickets) http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=CAMBRIDGECORNEX&organ_ val=3517&schedule=list&pid=5357419 (Cambridge Corn Exchange Box Office) Rich From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 11 13:57:30 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:57:30 -0500 Subject: HW: New album... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: :Subject: HW: New album... : :Hey Folks... : :I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but :just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion :about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online. :I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I :might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the :discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus :it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people :love it, right?) That's seems to be about accurate ;-) [snip] :Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are :tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to :that, but... [snip] Yes, tickets are on sale for both venues. Shout out if you need the appropriate URLs. Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 14:24:54 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:24:54 -0400 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is much better. Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here. Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe > > From: Henderson Keith > Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: New album... > > Hey Folks... > > I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but > just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion > about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online. > I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I > might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the > discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus > it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people > love it, right?) > > Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out Here, > We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. the > studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set > yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! > > I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the last > several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I guess > they weren't that important after all. > > Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are > tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to > that, but... > > Grakkl (FFA) > > P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. > > P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were > called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was happy > to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space > Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a > Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If they'd > been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool. > And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) Strange > Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration factor, > not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity > IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of > others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The > Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a > couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of them > were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was > absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon King > was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 15:20:42 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:50:42 +0930 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at the next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at the next hawkfest. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM Subject: Re: HW: New album... > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is > much better. > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here. > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe >> >> From: Henderson Keith >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: HW: New album... >> >> Hey Folks... >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, >> but >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted >> online. >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought >> that I >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following >> the >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people >> love it, right?) >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out >> Here, >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. >> the >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the >> last >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I >> guess >> they weren't that important after all. >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. >> Are >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer >> to >> that, but... >> >> Grakkl (FFA) >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was >> happy >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If >> they'd >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool. >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) >> Strange >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration >> factor, >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover >> entity >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of >> them >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon >> King >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. >> > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 15:31:09 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:31:09 -0400 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get any from me. > > From: "Muad'Dib" > Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you > cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at the > next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at the > next hawkfest. LOL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe Lindas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > > > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be > > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. > > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is > > much better. > > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band > > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of > > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like > > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here. > > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul > > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new > > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe > >> > >> From: Henderson Keith > >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: HW: New album... > >> > >> Hey Folks... > >> > >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, > >> but > >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion > >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted > >> online. > >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought > >> that I > >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following > >> the > >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus > >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people > >> love it, right?) > >> > >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out > >> Here, > >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. > >> the > >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set > >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! > >> > >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the > >> last > >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I > >> guess > >> they weren't that important after all. > >> > >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. > >> Are > >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer > >> to > >> that, but... > >> > >> Grakkl (FFA) > >> > >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. > >> > >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were > >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was > >> happy > >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space > >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a > >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If > >> they'd > >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool. > >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) > >> Strange > >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration > >> factor, > >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover > >> entity > >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of > >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The > >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a > >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of > >> them > >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was > >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon > >> King > >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. > >> > > > From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 11 15:36:19 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:36:19 -0600 Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page? Mark -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED + ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ + 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control: www.hawkwind.com + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ + From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 15:55:47 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:25:47 +0930 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: :) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The food was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food. I can arrange my own mind food thank you very much. Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM Subject: Re: HW: New album... > Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy > boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not > bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that > tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get > any from me. >> >> From: "Muad'Dib" >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you >> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at >> the >> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at >> the >> next hawkfest. LOL >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephe Lindas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> >> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be >> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. >> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group >> > is >> > much better. >> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band >> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of >> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked >> > like >> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here. >> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul >> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a >> > new >> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe >> >> >> >> From: Henderson Keith >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> Subject: HW: New album... >> >> >> >> Hey Folks... >> >> >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, >> >> but >> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious >> >> discussion >> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted >> >> online. >> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought >> >> that I >> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking >> >> part/following >> >> the >> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general >> >> consensus >> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the >> >> people >> >> love it, right?) >> >> >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out >> >> Here, >> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, >> >> esp. >> >> the >> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date >> >> set >> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! >> >> >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over >> >> the >> >> last >> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I >> >> guess >> >> they weren't that important after all. >> >> >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London >> >> shows. >> >> Are >> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the >> >> answer >> >> to >> >> that, but... >> >> >> >> Grakkl (FFA) >> >> >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. >> >> >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they >> >> were >> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was >> >> happy >> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the >> >> Space >> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a >> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If >> >> they'd >> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright >> >> cool. >> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) >> >> Strange >> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration >> >> factor, >> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover >> >> entity >> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast >> >> of >> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). >> >> The >> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a >> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some >> >> of >> >> them >> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was >> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where >> >> Simon >> >> King >> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. >> >> >> > >> > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 16:21:05 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:21:05 -0400 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: We should wait until after HW plays in case we get thrown out. :-) I don't eat fries actually. American food isn't even food. Its grease and feces. Ask Ronald Mcdonald. I agree with you there. Its nasty. Yogurt and sardines please. My fat is my investment in German breweries, not food. I really don't eat that much. Not like alot of my fellow country men and ladies. Cheers Stephe > > From: "Muad'Dib" > Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:55:47 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > :) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a > festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last > festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The food > was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food. I > can arrange my own mind food thank you very much. > Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe Lindas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > > > Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy > > boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not > > bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that > > tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get > > any from me. > >> > >> From: "Muad'Dib" > >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... > >> > >> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you > >> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at > >> the > >> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at > >> the > >> next hawkfest. LOL > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Stephe Lindas" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM > >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... > >> > >> > >> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be > >> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. > >> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group > >> > is > >> > much better. > >> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band > >> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of > >> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked > >> > like > >> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here. > >> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul > >> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a > >> > new > >> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe > >> >> > >> >> From: Henderson Keith > >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT > >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> >> Subject: HW: New album... > >> >> > >> >> Hey Folks... > >> >> > >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, > >> >> but > >> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious > >> >> discussion > >> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted > >> >> online. > >> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought > >> >> that I > >> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking > >> >> part/following > >> >> the > >> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general > >> >> consensus > >> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the > >> >> people > >> >> love it, right?) > >> >> > >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out > >> >> Here, > >> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, > >> >> esp. > >> >> the > >> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date > >> >> set > >> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! > >> >> > >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over > >> >> the > >> >> last > >> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I > >> >> guess > >> >> they weren't that important after all. > >> >> > >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London > >> >> shows. > >> >> Are > >> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the > >> >> answer > >> >> to > >> >> that, but... > >> >> > >> >> Grakkl (FFA) > >> >> > >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. > >> >> > >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they > >> >> were > >> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was > >> >> happy > >> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the > >> >> Space > >> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a > >> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If > >> >> they'd > >> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright > >> >> cool. > >> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) > >> >> Strange > >> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration > >> >> factor, > >> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover > >> >> entity > >> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast > >> >> of > >> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). > >> >> The > >> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a > >> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some > >> >> of > >> >> them > >> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was > >> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where > >> >> Simon > >> >> King > >> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 11 17:09:24 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:09:24 +0100 Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Its probably these messages, at least the first 2 anyway. On the Ether...... LATEST STUFF: Gigs in Holland, Germany and (possibly) the USA are being arranged for 2005 !!! Dave has done several interviews lately that will appear in both print and on radio/TV. Full details of all publication and transmission dates will be announced when known. LATEST PRESS INCLUSION: The November 2004 issue of Classic Rock Magazine contained a full page feature of the band (& colour pic of Stacia), and reviews of Ian Abraham's 'Sonic Assassins' Book and the Newcastle DVD release. FORTHCOMING RELEASES: We will soon be releasing a single featuring Matthew Wright, Lemmy, Arthur Brown and Lene Lovich..... HawkFest 2003 was also recorded, and may also be released as a DVD in the near future ! Also being released is compilation CD from Hawkfest 2002, as well as a compilation album with other friends of HW........ Our gig at the Melkweg in Amsterdam 2003 was also recorded in 24 track, and could possibly make release at some stage.....tune in here for updates STUDIO ALBUM: Our new studio album has great new cover artwork by artist Peter Pracownik, and features Lene Lovich, Matthew Wright & Arthur Brown. Download audio clips from 'TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER' here: [link] Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mark Licht Sent: 11 October 2004 20:36 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page? Mark -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED + ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ + 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control: www.hawkwind.com + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ + From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 17:10:11 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:10:11 -0500 Subject: HW: New album... In-Reply-To: <20041011202105.MMOF2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Ok...taking bets. Mushroom Man vs Bald Twig Boy ;-) Seconds out round One! From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Oct 11 20:00:48 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:00:48 +0100 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Hi Stephen - if you are in contact, be sure to tell Nucleon to send one this way, OK. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe Lindas To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: New album... > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 11 20:25:57 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:25:57 -0400 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Hey Folks ... I just thought that I >might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following >the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general >consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half >the people love it, right?) What about those of us who love half of it and hate half of it? ;^) I can't say that I have any sort of overall opinion on it, since I've only listened to the clips a few times, and anyway, they're only clips, so you don't get a feel for the flow of the album, or even the full flow of the individual songs (I note that they've done a good job of including both verse/chorus and "break" sections in the clips, thanks to whoever made those edits!). I'll forego comments on the individual songs until I can hear 'em all the way through, but I can come up with a number of general impressions. First off, it's apparent that there's a lot of variety, any one song sounds little like any other song (although they're all recognizably Hawkwind). That's definitely a good thing in my book, and I think all the best HW albums have been well-balanced (which may explain why I don't care for IitBotFtbD, although my second-least-favorite HW album is fairly well stylistically balanced, so what do I know?). Unfortunately, the one style that doesn't seem to be represented is the straight ahead hard rock that's always been an important part of the band's sound (and is certainly well- represented in any of their live albums). One of the reasons I like 'Distant Horizons' so much is *because* it rocked out more than any HW studio album of the prior 10 years (and still had tracks like "Clouded Vision" and the instrumental "Love In Space" for the all-important balance - just as xISOS had "Wrong Step" and "Children of the Sun", HotMG had "Web Weaver" and the title track, CotBS had ambient instrumentals like "Shade Gate", etc. etc.). On TMTYL, the heaviest tracks seem to be mid-tempo, or "anthemic", at best. My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the lite-jazz Kenny G sax (or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound brings to mind velour-leisure- suited cocktail lounge musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of music that Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death Generator in 'Time Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if they'd put a power ballad with that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes piano preset on CotBS (or if Rudolph/Powell had successfully carried out their coup and made a disco/funk/fusion HW album in '77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in your rock band, it's *gotta* have balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it! (Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.) Arthur Brown sounds great on the tracks he's on. I realize I'm stating the obvious when I mention how amazing his voice is, but he also brings a much-needed sense of humor to the proceedings (since Harvey isn't around). Unfortunately, his presence underscores the fact that none of the other three have a particularly strong voice, which probably goes a long way to indicate that it's probably for the best that he hasn't become a permanent member. And, for many older HW tracks, his voice is probably a bit much (but a rendition of, say, "Steppenwolf", would seem like a winner to me). Well ... while I'm on the subject of singers, I'll make my only comment about a single track: Matthew Wright may have a good voice to be a talk show host or tv personality (or whatever he is), but he does not have a good voice to be a singer in a rock band! Elsewhere in the clips, I hear some nice guitar leads & noodling that sound like they're from Dave; if so, they don't sound like anything Huw would/could have done any better, so I don't hear anything that would make me miss his presence. I don't really hear anything to make me miss Simon's presence, either, and I don't think he would have fit in well with most of the songs. Which is too bad, as he's one instrumentalist who always seems to have something to add on the live albums he's on (which I find to be less-often true for, say, Harvey or Tim). Synth noises throughout seem cool enough, but I'm positive that they'd be better if Keith Kniveton had contributed. I didn't hear anything that would recognizably Alan's Wavestation work, which I enjoy hearing in compact doses (2-minute instrumental or break is great; 5-minute Wavestation instrumental is way too long); maybe there's just nothing in the clips so far ... Now, how about some comments from someone who loves the half I hate and hates the half I love ... ? :^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Oct 11 22:31:32 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:31:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: An auditioned excursion into 3OC world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Drumming is something that is best not to obsess about once you figure >out your part. From the BOC site: October 2, 2004 After holding auditions in New York, B?C has chosen to hire Jules Rodino to fill the vacancy left by Bobby Rondinelli.Jules came recommended by former B?C drummer, John Miceli, and was formerly one of his drum students. ---- I wonder what this guy will sound like. curiously, the drummer for Bevis Frond is a Jules, too. Jason From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 23:33:09 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:03:09 +0930 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Hell yes. Its a long expensive trek to get there. Actually a few years ago I was at 97 kilos - then I went overboard losing weight. Back to the fist fight. America vs Australia. :) Maybe there could be a title belt - an anual hawkwind festival fist fight event!! Sounds funny tho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: New album... > We should wait until after HW plays in case we get thrown out. :-) I don't > eat fries actually. American food isn't even food. Its grease and feces. > Ask Ronald Mcdonald. I agree with you there. Its nasty. Yogurt and > sardines please. My fat is my investment in German breweries, not food. I > really don't eat that much. Not like alot of my fellow country men and > ladies. Cheers Stephe >> >> From: "Muad'Dib" >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:55:47 EDT >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> :) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a >> festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last >> festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The >> food >> was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food. >> I >> can arrange my own mind food thank you very much. >> Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephe Lindas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> >> > Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your >> > twiggy >> > boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not >> > bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that >> > tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna >> > get >> > any from me. >> >> >> >> From: "Muad'Dib" >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> >> >> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like >> >> you >> >> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal >> >> at >> >> the >> >> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at >> >> the >> >> next hawkfest. LOL >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Stephe Lindas" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM >> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it >> >> > be >> >> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless. >> >> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This >> >> > group >> >> > is >> >> > much better. >> >> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band >> >> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of >> >> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked >> >> > like >> >> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came >> >> > here. >> >> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul >> >> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing >> >> > a >> >> > new >> >> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Henderson Keith >> >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT >> >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> >> Subject: HW: New album... >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey Folks... >> >> >> >> >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and >> >> >> views, >> >> >> but >> >> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious >> >> >> discussion >> >> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted >> >> >> online. >> >> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just >> >> >> thought >> >> >> that I >> >> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking >> >> >> part/following >> >> >> the >> >> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general >> >> >> consensus >> >> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the >> >> >> people >> >> >> love it, right?) >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and >> >> >> Out >> >> >> Here, >> >> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, >> >> >> esp. >> >> >> the >> >> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date >> >> >> set >> >> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?! >> >> >> >> >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over >> >> >> the >> >> >> last >> >> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. >> >> >> So I >> >> >> guess >> >> >> they weren't that important after all. >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London >> >> >> shows. >> >> >> Are >> >> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the >> >> >> answer >> >> >> to >> >> >> that, but... >> >> >> >> >> >> Grakkl (FFA) >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review. >> >> >> >> >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they >> >> >> were >> >> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I >> >> >> was >> >> >> happy >> >> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the >> >> >> Space >> >> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a >> >> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. >> >> >> If >> >> >> they'd >> >> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright >> >> >> cool. >> >> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final >> >> >> (indoor) >> >> >> Strange >> >> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration >> >> >> factor, >> >> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind >> >> >> cover >> >> >> entity >> >> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating >> >> >> cast >> >> >> of >> >> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than >> >> >> others). >> >> >> The >> >> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions >> >> >> of a >> >> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), >> >> >> some >> >> >> of >> >> >> them >> >> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who >> >> >> was >> >> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where >> >> >> Simon >> >> >> King >> >> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Oct 12 05:08:15 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:08:15 -0400 Subject: HW: New album... Message-ID: Hi Andy, Ok, Cheers Stephe > > From: Cyberkrel > Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 08:00:48 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > Hi Stephen - if you are in contact, be sure to tell Nucleon to send one > this way, OK. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephe Lindas > To: > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: HW: New album... > > > > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 12 07:00:59 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:00:59 +0100 Subject: Circle: Edinburgh 11/10/04 Message-ID: I went to see these guys last night. The venue is an old cinema ripped out to provide the usual nightclub hangar arrangement. Not a huge stage for a lightshow, and the bar at the back is separated by a semi-transparent perspex screen, which means that the band can only be heard rather than seen from the bar area, which is strange since the bar area is raised above the dancefloor. The band had four members: basically lead, bass, drums and a synth guy right up front. Everyone but the drummer did some vocals, and the synth guy at some points turned around back to the audience, facing the drumkit and did some percussion. The sound is as if Paranoia and Seeing It As You Really Are were melded with "The End" from the Doors and brought up to date. Each song would start with sonic soundscapes produced with the instruments. Gradually the drumming would get heavier and the vocals would involve chanting and screaming, possibly in Finnish. This would be held for minutes either building to a crescendo or slowing down again to rebuild later. This worked for me on a couple of tracks, which were about half of the quite short gig, and not really for the rest. These guys had power, but I found myself wanting to hear them break out into some solid rhythmical blanga rather than holding to the sonic soundscape concept. I also didn't like the drums, which were held to various military rhythms done robotically and without much expression. It's hard to see the point of having a live drummer basically imitate a drum machine. Maybe I just don't get it. I'm glad I went, and I was inspired enough by the tracks I liked to ask which CD's had these on them, but the seller and the soundman didn't know - maybe it's just all jamming? I bumped into gingoblin there and we had a couple of drinks afterwards. It's always great to see other local hawkfans, and having any sort of spacerock around here ought to be encouraged. FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Oct 12 10:38:14 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:38:14 -0500 Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date Message-ID: Hi folks, OK. So far, this is what I've found: :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube station. Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 65.00 per room per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night. (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.) : :Radisson Edwardian Marlborough Hotel, 4 star. Bloomsbury Street, near Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 70.00 per room per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 85.00 per room per night. (much closer to the venue) Travelodge in Covent Garden: 80.00 per room per night (as a group booking.) If you are willing to go to their website and book direct, you can get 45.00 a night, but room only, and nonrefundable. St. Giles (right by the Tottenham Court Station): 89.00 a night. Best Western's Shaftesbury hotel is booked solid for the night, regrettably. There are also a host of smaller hotel options, but I'm having difficulty reaching them :-(. (As most of them don't have email, and I can't really call around during the day while I work ;-) ) The bloomsbury thistle is in the over 100.00 range :-(, and the Choice Hotels folks (comfort inn, quality inn, etc.) aren't showing anything in the immediate area. Of our choices, the st. giles is closest, with the travelodge and the edwardian marlborough close. Votes? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Oct 12 10:14:16 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:14:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: An auditioned excursion into 3OC world In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041011222941.02192b00@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason Scruton wrote: > > From the BOC site: > October 2, 2004 > After holding auditions in New York, B?C has chosen to hire Jules > Rodino to > fill the vacancy left by Bobby Rondinelli.Jules came recommended by > former > B?C drummer, John Miceli, and was formerly one of his drum students. > > ---- I wonder what this guy will sound like. curiously, the drummer for > Bevis Frond is a Jules, too. Well, if John Miceli recommended him, he must be good. I would've voted for Miceli himself to take over the skins, but I guess he's busy playing in the same Queen musical as Danny Miranda. Also, if this Jules is as good as the BF's Jules, then we're in for some fun. Brian From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Oct 12 10:54:18 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:54:18 +0200 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arin Thanks for all you work I am for the 65 per room Pound Hotel Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:38 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date Hi folks, OK. So far, this is what I've found: :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube station. Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 65.00 per room per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night. (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.) : :Radisson Edwardian Marlborough Hotel, 4 star. Bloomsbury Street, near Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 70.00 per room per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 85.00 per room per night. (much closer to the venue) Travelodge in Covent Garden: 80.00 per room per night (as a group booking.) If you are willing to go to their website and book direct, you can get 45.00 a night, but room only, and nonrefundable. St. Giles (right by the Tottenham Court Station): 89.00 a night. Best Western's Shaftesbury hotel is booked solid for the night, regrettably. There are also a host of smaller hotel options, but I'm having difficulty reaching them :-(. (As most of them don't have email, and I can't really call around during the day while I work ;-) ) The bloomsbury thistle is in the over 100.00 range :-(, and the Choice Hotels folks (comfort inn, quality inn, etc.) aren't showing anything in the immediate area. Of our choices, the st. giles is closest, with the travelodge and the edwardian marlborough close. Votes? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Tue Oct 12 11:51:15 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:51:15 -0600 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Either of the Radissons sound acceptable. The Travelodge didn't have any 45.00 rooms available now. The place we stayed for the Yule Ritual (2000) didn't want us back? :-) Mark ------------------------------------------- From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Oct 12 12:56:03 2004 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:03 +0200 Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date Message-ID: Hi Arin, I vote for this one: > :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube > station. Tottenham Court Road. > :Double / twin rooms: > :Room only: 65.00 per room per night. > :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night. > (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.) Probably a 15-20 min walk. A 3 star hotel would be enough for me though! Anyway, thanks for your efforts. Andreas From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 12 13:07:11 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:07:11 +0100 Subject: HW: New album... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug wrote: ....[snip]..... Arthur Brown sounds great on the tracks he's on. I realize I'm stating the obvious when I mention how amazing his voice is, but he also brings a much-needed sense of humor to the proceedings (since Harvey isn't around). Unfortunately, his presence underscores the fact that none of the other three have a particularly strong voice, which probably goes a long way to indicate that it's probably for the best that he hasn't become a permanent member. ....[snip].... I actually thought that Dave's vocals on Reality of Poverty where he shared the vocal chores with Arthur sounded really strong. I particularly like the effect that shared vocals have. ....[snip again, sorry]...... Elsewhere in the clips, I hear some nice guitar leads & noodling that sound like they're from Dave; if so, they don't sound like anything Huw would/could have done any better, so I don't hear anything that would make me miss his presence. I don't really hear anything to make me miss Simon's presence, either, and I don't think he would have fit in well with most of the songs. Which is too bad, as he's one instrumentalist who always seems to have something to add on the live albums he's on (which I find to be less-often true for, say, Harvey or Tim). I thought I heard some violin on Sunray; maybe its me old ears. ...[snip]... Now, how about some comments from someone who loves the half I hate and hates the half I love ... ? :^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com I don't know if anybody else did the same as me. I converted the mp3's to wav files and burnt them onto a cd. Then I gave the cd a really good blast in the car. Its pretty good driving music throughout most of the 14 minutes or so of clips. The other thing that stood out was that there is absolutely loads going on in every track, even the quieter ones. Its not the kitchen sink effect but lots of layers of musical activity if you listen closely enough. Whoever has done the engineering/mixing deserves plenty of credit. By the end, the disjointed nature of the clips married with the inferior quality delivered by mp3 files makes it difficult to make a truly objective judgement. There's enough there to whet my appetite tho' and make me want this album on the day its released. Lets hope that the winning record label do a good job of packaging & delivery. No missing tracks or wrong names on the credits. The world needs a good Hawkwind album; the pre-season activity looks promising. Mark From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 18:19:28 2004 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:19:28 EDT Subject: OFF/Re:Sun Machine Message-ID: Date:? ? Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200 From:? ? Henderson Keith Subject: HW: New album... Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). Date:? ? Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:24:54 -0400 From:? ? Stephe Lindas Subject: Re: HW: New album... Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. Hi, Most of the members of Sun Machine are now in a band called Secret Saucer. We Have 2 CD's recorded and we are looking for a label to put them out.We play space rock with no vocals. (The members are) Steve T. Gtr+bass Steve H. synth Billy Bass+Gtr. Thom M. Drums+Synth Dan S. Gtr. Greg K. Gtr. from Arc Met Paul W. Synth from Qspace Dave H. Synth+Gliss Gtr. Jay S. keys? from Qspace only on the first CD this is a link to our yahoo group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Secret-Saucer/ Dave From personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM Tue Oct 12 18:43:10 2004 From: personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM (Colin Watt) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:43:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House Message-ID: ok, well, I *know* that I emailed management at hawkwind.com twice requesting this info (possibly using one of my other porridgepot.com accounts) - ...however I'm happy to communicate with you here instead... I would *really* like to get to the gig in newcastle (if indeed hw are playing). How can I get tickets ?? many thanks Col From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Oct 13 01:17:51 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:17:51 -0400 Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0600, Mark Licht wrote: > > 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control: > > What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music > links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page? This has often messed me up too. I've just now realized why: - "On the Ether" is NOT the same page as "Latest Info" - you can't get to OTE directly from the home page, but only from the navigation bar at the top of "inside" pages; this lack of a home-page link is what has in the past confused me into thinking that "On the Ether" was another name for "Latest Info" OK, it makes sense that the two pages are separate; it looks as though LI is intended for hard news, and OTE for rumours and fluff (though the distinction seems rather fuzzy in practice). What doesn't make sense is that LI can be accessed from the home page, but not from the site-wide nav. bar, and OTE vice versa. ISTM that both pages should have links in both places. Just another of those www.hawkwind.com mysteries... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 13 08:46:22 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:46:22 +0100 Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Andreas Stuewe's message of Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:03 +0200 Message-ID: Andreas Stuewe writes: > Hi Arin, > > I vote for this one: > > > :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube > > station. Tottenham Court Road. > > :Double / twin rooms: > > :Room only: 65.00 per room per night. > > :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night. > > (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.) > > Probably a 15-20 min walk. Yeah, I could go with that too. Mike From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 13 09:45:08 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <20040916063358.A21265@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:53:13PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > > I was just thinking today about those times and thinking about my > > thought process which was, I don't want to be a one hit band. I knew we > > had the goods again but the lack of ambition from the rest of the guys > > was worrying me (and Martin Birch). They couldn't understand why I was > > getting so crazy about every little thing and I think some of them were > > thinking I was making a power grab but honestly I was worried that we'd > > mess it up. > > It's funny, I remember you once saying that you felt that > Martin Birch was the producer who had "done the least" for > BOC's sound. Oddly, in some ways that's what I liked best > about his mixes, is that they sound really "transparent". I > always got the impression, when listening to a Martin Birch > produced album (and he produced quite a surprising number of > my favorite hard rock and metal albums) that I was listening > to the band, and not the producer (if that makes any sense). :-) > My only real gripe with the albums he mixed (which I didn't > even discover until pretty recently) was the huge amount of > compression he used (or was that BOC's choice?). And I > imagine that probably seemed like a very sensible choice in > the context of the time... It seems worth tacking a quote onto this, if only because it varies so sharply from those two opinions on Birch: "Martin was a great engineer... I think eventully you ended up with Martin's sound rather than your own, but initially it was such a good sound you didn't mind." Which is Ian Paice, quoted from the liner of the 25th Anniversary edition of _In Rock_. I suppose the difference that he's talking about Birch as engineer, not as producer, but all the same I thought it was odd, especially as I agree with Steve as a listener; stuff with which Birch was involved that I've heard still sounds clean and authentic today, as if not much had got in the way of the bands' sounds except for audiophilia. Odd. Anyway... Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _In Search of Space_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Oct 13 13:34:17 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:34:17 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <1AB2D9EF-05DC-11D9-92C9-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from "Albert Bouchard" at Sep 13, 2004 07:24:48 PM Message-ID: So, I'm looking at the card and the website and I can't find out what time the Brain Surgeons are hitting the stage this Fridayy in Montclair. Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps? JB From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 13 16:30:12 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:30:12 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <200410131734.i9DHYHB18123@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Berry wrote: > So, I'm looking at the card and the website and I can't find out > what time the Brain Surgeons are hitting the stage this Fridayy in > Montclair. > > Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps? There is an opening act at around 10:30. we're supposed to hit the lights around 11:15-11:30. Al From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 13 18:06:39 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:06:39 -0500 Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED In-Reply-To: <20041013051751.GB2810@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED : :On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0600, Mark Licht wrote: :> > 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control: :> :> What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music :> links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page? : :This has often messed me up too. I've just now realized why: : - "On the Ether" is NOT the same page as "Latest Info" : - you can't get to OTE directly from the home page, but only : from the navigation bar at the top of "inside" pages; this : lack of a home-page link is what has in the past confused me : into thinking that "On the Ether" was another name for : "Latest Info" : :OK, it makes sense that the two pages are separate; it looks as :though LI is intended for hard news, and OTE for rumours and :fluff (though the distinction seems rather fuzzy in practice). : :What doesn't make sense is that LI can be accessed from the home :page, but not from the site-wide nav. bar, and OTE vice versa. :ISTM that both pages should have links in both places. Just :another of those www.hawkwind.com mysteries... You can always access both LI and OTE via direct URLs if the navigation starts getting confusing. LI: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm OTE: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_!.htm#ether (Of course, you probably want to go via the official mechanism, since Rik is likely to change these URLs as he works on the site, but these are good as of right now....) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 13 22:28:50 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:28:50 -0400 Subject: BOC:club ninja Message-ID: In case anyone's interested, and doesn't have a copy of Club Ninja, Nina's discount oldies has available for $2.99!! Shipping is cheap too. You can call 1-800-336-4627 to order; Fall 2004 catalog,page 12, item ZKOCH7943. Request a catalog too, they have lot's of interesting cds, vinyl, dvds, & r&r related books. Even some Hawkwind, and music of other types; jazz,blues,etc. Check it out, found these folks by accident, and even when i don't buy, love looking through their catalogs and special sale catalogs. This is not a commercial, i just love to share music finds with people, as i've discovered so much interesting stuff through groups like this (Brain Surgeon's-you oughta be more famous) tim 8>)... From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Oct 14 08:28:41 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:28:41 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: from "Albert Bouchard" at Oct 13, 2004 04:30:12 PM Message-ID: >> Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps? >There is an opening act at around 10:30. we're supposed to hit the >lights around 11:15-11:30. >Al Cool! I may be able to make it after all, then, JB From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 14 10:38:46 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:38:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:26:24 +0000, eddie jobson > wrote: > > >The Hawkwind Zoo 12" says Kings of Speed (live) though doesn't it? So are > >the single and WOTEOT versions from an orginal live track? Doubt it as it's > >not listed in the '74 or '75 live sets anywhere. > > I'm sure that in this case, "live" would mean "live in the studio" i.e. the > basic track recorded in real time without any overdubs or edits. Hmm. It's not clear at first but before long there's a noticable second guitar line that seems to first come in at about 01:54. I think the track is probably a rehearsal take, but if it's live at all it's in the Thin Lizzy sense. It stops again at about 02:43 then comes in again much more clearly at 03:33 to the end, though I'm not convinced it isn't the same track used again. Just the one overlay I think, then. Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Hawkwind - _Mighty Hawkwind Classics_ (would you believe) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 14 10:51:25 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:51:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <414A9D02.5000007@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 16/09/2004 20:49, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > > I mean, since when have kids not listened to whatever was surrounding > them and been influenced by it. How could people who were kids when the > first Green Day album broke big _not_ be influenced by it? If this is > _so_ different than anything that's happened before? Green Day are one of the more forgivable skate punk bands. Not only have they always correctly denied that they're punk, but they also actually have some talent. Apart from making pop music with guitars that comes in at about two and a half minutes I don't really see how they've stolen the Ramones' crown. They're not about the same thing at all, even if they are starting from the same basic set-up. I was just hitting university when _Dookie_ broke big; it hit my four-years-younger brother a lot harder but I liked it then and I still like it. They keep producing albums that show a little bit of change and don't stay quite the same, and they tour regularly. I don't have any problem with this band being successful nor do I think they were somehow keeping the Ramones or the other groups that have influenced them out of the spotlight. To pick a contemporary example, did Kula Shaker destroy the exposure of sixties psych? Not where I noticed... > Sure, its unfortunate that so much money and effort is spent to ensure > people hear stuff that isn't very good, but that's true for the > mass-marketing of anything. The gourmets just gotta work a bit harder .... The industry may some day realise that there are savinhgs to be made with music that sells itself more easily than the pap it's currently spending most on, but they've picked up on the Microsoft designed-in- obsolescence business model for now and I'm not sure either large- scale audience nor industry really have the attention span for a new band with staying power just now... Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 14 11:10:18 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:10:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14/10/2004 15:51, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Apart from making pop music with guitars that > comes in at about two and a half minutes I don't really see how they've > stolen the Ramones' crown. They're not about the same thing at all, even > if they are starting from the same basic set-up. It's not possible to steal the Ramones' crown! The Ramones crown is invincible! untouchable! But, indeed, there's naught wrong with making pop music with guitars; IMO, it's a damn sight better than making pop music with cheezy sounding synths. Surely "pop" music just means a catchy riff that's produced to fit current sonic fashions and isn't so long that it will break the short-attention-span limit? Oh, and marketed with sufficient aggression that it spills all over the radio :) Eh, a good song is a good song. It's usually the production on pop songs (which seems to have become increasingly inorganic over the years) that drives me nuts. If pop music just had more crushingly heavy guitars, that would be OK :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Oct 14 11:12:55 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here Here, I don't know where the topic started, but Green Day are head and shoulders above meer copyists. They have their own political agenda, consistantly good Skate albums and a none too serious look at life. what is true & I find quite funny is that Busted are a teenyboppers version of Green day, My son aged 6 loves Busted and has the CD, I have to listen to it , and its so copyist of GD. However at least they are having a laugh & playing something with a bit of edge. If we are gonna pick on somthing shabby, then we should look at the POPIDOL type music, which is essentially just faeces & parasitic in the extreme. The poor young teens are being force fed this excrement everyday, being told its the best thing ever. All being run by the same management teams, same production houses & record companies. With "live PA", meaning no live vocals or instruments.... Hey ho... Lets go... Jonnys in the basement Dee Dees in the basement Joeys in the basement Tommys the only one left.... God why does it always happen to cool bands....and never to the usual scum sucking arseholes that make up the charts regards Iain From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 14 11:19:03 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:19:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <416E9777.3020609@aol.com> Message-ID: On 14/10/2004 16:12, Iain Ferguson wrote: > God why does it always happen to cool > bands....and never to the usual scum sucking arseholes that make up the > charts I think because usually because by the time the average chart-topper dies, everyone has long since forgotten 'em. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Oct 14 11:28:45 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Mike Burro) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:28:45 -0400 Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews Message-ID: Thanks Eli for the kind words regarding The One Eyed Bishops set in New Brunswick. Thanks also to Bill Stewart and all those who attended the show. I'd be interested to know if anyone got any pix from the gig? Peace, Mike Burro From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 14 11:54:46 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:54:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <416E96DA.6030905@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :) Los ladrones est?n en mi iTunes antes de Los Lobos. :-) Brian -- Brian Halligan Copywriter Martino Flynn, LLC bhalligan at martinoflynn.com 585-421-0100 From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Oct 14 13:31:02 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Letter to Robert In-Reply-To: <5F144154-1DF9-11D9-9EF9-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com> Message-ID: Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound like anything I've heard in his stuff. In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album I suppose :-) JR From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 14 13:35:27 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:35:27 -0400 Subject: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour Message-ID: + ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ + Two more dates added to the winter tour; Date: Monday 20th December Venue: Manchester Academy 2 Box Office: 0161 832 1111 Website: www.manchesteracademy.net Date: Tuesday 21st December Venue: Birkenhead Pacific Rd Arts Centre Box Office: 0151 647 0752 Website: www.pacificroad.co.uk ------------- Info for Newcastle: Saturday 4th December - The Journal Tyne Theatre - Newcastle (Formerly known as Newcastle Opera House) Credit Card Hotline 0870 145 1200 (24hours/7days) BOX OFFICE INFORMATION: 0870 145 1200 Fax Number 0870 043 5898 / Special Needs 0191 260 6066 Group bookings 0191 260 6062 + ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++ www.hawkwind.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 14 13:46:15 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:46:15 -0400 Subject: HW: On the Ether Message-ID: + ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + Just to highlight a few things that people seem to have missed in the last Ether update we announced; OUR NEW STUDIO ALBUM: 'Take Me To Your Leader' Our new album has great new cover artwork by artist Peter Pracownik, and features contributions from Lene Lovich, Matthew Wright, *Simon House*, & Arthur Brown. Tracks on the album include; (Final album running order tba). 1. To Love A Machine (Brock) 2. Greenback Massacre (Davey) 3. Spirit of the Age (Brock/Calvert) 4. Out Here We Are (Davey) 5. Take Me To Your Leader (Brock/Chadwick/Davey) 6. Sunray (Davey/Brown) 7. Digital Nation (Chadwick) 8. Reality of Poverty (Brock/Morley) 9. Angela Android (Brock/Chadwick) 10. Letter to Robert (Brock/Chadwick) Album contains more tracks such as 'Long Time Friend' (Brock) which were not available when samples were taken......... The clips on Mission Control were also taken prior to the final mix !....... + +++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ www.hawkwind.com From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Oct 14 13:56:31 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:56:31 -0500 Subject: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess we'll be visiting the rellies in Liverpool then ;-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour + ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ + Two more dates added to the winter tour; Date: Monday 20th December Venue: Manchester Academy 2 Box Office: 0161 832 1111 Website: www.manchesteracademy.net Date: Tuesday 21st December Venue: Birkenhead Pacific Rd Arts Centre Box Office: 0151 647 0752 Website: www.pacificroad.co.uk ------------- Info for Newcastle: Saturday 4th December - The Journal Tyne Theatre - Newcastle (Formerly known as Newcastle Opera House) Credit Card Hotline 0870 145 1200 (24hours/7days) BOX OFFICE INFORMATION: 0870 145 1200 Fax Number 0870 043 5898 / Special Needs 0191 260 6066 Group bookings 0191 260 6062 + ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++ www.hawkwind.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 14 17:23:36 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:23:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Letter to Robert Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100, HawkFan wrote: >Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from >the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound >like anything I've heard in his stuff. Some of the opinions do seem a bit bizarre, yes. But remember that Bob was very much about "getting into" the characters he wrote about, sometimes going a bit too far. So I'd find it entirely plausible that these are things he might have discussed, even if they weren't necessarily what he believed. The song will definitely make the perfect soundtrack for the next time I put on my tinfoil hat and start checking my apartment for the microwave transmitter that's beaming mind-control signals from Alpha Centauri (or the republicans?) into my head ;^). >In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting >interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album >I suppose :-) Can't wait! This sounds like a particularly fun one ... I always greatly enjoy manifestations of Hawkwind's sense of humor ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Oct 14 20:33:34 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:33:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Letter to Robert Message-ID: I too greatly enjoyed the "Letter to Robert" track. It has a real psychotic strangeness (and charm!) about it that really drew me in and I can't wait to hear more! When I initially heard that "Spirit of the Age" was being rehashed, I was very disappointed with the idea of treading over old ground, but I have to admit the results are much better than what I had anticipated and the new version doesn't make me cringe at all, but instead fills my psyche with the warm glow of Hawkwind! John Majka > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100, HawkFan wrote: > > >Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from > >the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound > >like anything I've heard in his stuff. > > Some of the opinions do seem a bit bizarre, yes. But remember that Bob > was very much about "getting into" the characters he wrote about, > sometimes going a bit too far. So I'd find it entirely plausible that > these are things he might have discussed, even if they weren't necessarily > what he believed. > > The song will definitely make the perfect soundtrack for the next time I > put on my tinfoil hat and start checking my apartment for the microwave > transmitter that's beaming mind-control signals from Alpha Centauri (or > the republicans?) into my head ;^). > > >In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting > >interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album > >I suppose :-) > > Can't wait! This sounds like a particularly fun one ... I always greatly > enjoy manifestations of Hawkwind's sense of humor ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 14 23:42:22 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:42:22 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <200410141228.i9ECSfq08628@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: On Oct 14, 2004, at 8:28 AM, Jeff Berry wrote: > Cool! > > I may be able to make it after all, then, We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait for you? Al From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Oct 15 08:32:40 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:32:40 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <390E351E-1E5C-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from "Albert Bouchard" at Oct 14, 2004 11:42:22 PM Message-ID: >> Cool! >> I may be able to make it after all, then, >We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait >for you? >Al I appreciate the thought, but don't count on me. I've got to be in Booklyn for a meeting which I'm hoping will end early enough for me to cross a few bridges and get out there. But given the basically perverse nature of the universe, I'm not counting on it. JB From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Oct 15 10:41:07 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:41:07 -0600 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue? Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London? Thanks in advance. Mark ------------------------------------------------ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 15 10:50:44 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They're about 3 to 3.5 hours by rail from London I think, but the Manchester and Birkenhead gigs are close together (45 Minutes to 1 Hour Apart)by rail. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:41 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue? Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London? Thanks in advance. Mark ------------------------------------------------ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 11:21:26 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:21:26 +0100 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yep, tiz 3 to 3.5 hours by train, but don't go telling anyone from outside of the UK how much they'd have to pay... Its one of the joys of coming to the UK to get totally & utterly fleeced by such a shower of B*ST*RDS Seriously though folks if you are going to take the train from London to Manchester or Liverpool, expect a real nasty shock at the price. Go during the day, not during rush hour. try and book tickets in advance, I've seen people have to pay ?150 return during rush hour and that was what the euthemistically called standard class ( try filth truck , its more apt).... Yep you probibly guessed I have to travel to London every week for work from Bristol, & I tell yo u, its only due to the fact that the company pay that I travel on such an aweful system........ national express coaches will be far cheaper, though you may have to put up with someone smelling of Piss sitting next to you. But hey it'll only cost about 30 quid return..... best of luck travellers... I'll be at Swindon & Astoria, might get to exeter as well........ regards Iain Rich wrote on 10/15/2004, 3:50 PM: > They're about 3 to 3.5 hours by rail from London I think, but the > Manchester > and Birkenhead gigs are close together (45 Minutes to 1 Hour Apart)by > rail. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:41 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date > > > Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of > transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue? > > Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London? > > Thanks in advance. > Mark > ------------------------------------------------ > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 15 14:00:31 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:00:31 +0100 Subject: Make your own blanga Message-ID: http://www.zanorg.com/prodperso/indian.htm From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 15 17:38:42 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:38:42 +0100 Subject: hotel options for xmas date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Far away from London but in a much better part of the country Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mark Licht Sent: 15 October 2004 15:41 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue? Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London? Thanks in advance. Mark ------------------------------------------------ From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 09:23:55 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:23:55 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <200410151232.i9FCWeb08822@panix5.panix.com>; from nexus@PANIX.COM on Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 08:32:40AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 08:32:40AM -0400, Jeff Berry wrote: > >> Cool! > >> I may be able to make it after all, then, > >We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait > >for you? > >Al > > I appreciate the thought, but don't count on me. I've got to be in > Booklyn for a meeting which I'm hoping will end early enough for > me to cross a few bridges and get out there. But given the basically > perverse nature of the universe, I'm not counting on it. Heh, that was pretty funny. I and the friend who came to the show with me, were looking up and down the length of "Park St" looking for #8 (which, although the numbering schema was a little opaque, seemed it must be either a church or a high school), when Jeff showed up. Of course, eventually (after much fruitless searching for a secret sub-basement under the church where they would let people play stuff like "666 Devil Got your Mother") it fell out that we three were all on Park Street in the WRONG TOWN. I found it sort of a delightful coincidence that we managed to show up on the same wrong street in the wrong town, within 5 minutes of each other. BOC-L solidarity! All was well, though. We all made it to the show in plenty of time. Review coming up soon. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Sat Oct 16 19:12:02 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:12:02 -0700 Subject: OFF: Persian Risk Message-ID: ...anyone here else like Persian Risk? "Too Different" is a great tune. Shishkabob! NP: Chaos UK "Victimized" (single version) "Blitz The Nations" From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 11:00:00 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:00:00 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons played live last night at the Meat Locker/Underground Eight in Montclair, NJ. The performance space was once a "presentation studio" - basically a cozy (in the sense of small but comfortably furnished) below street level club, apparently long in disuse, recently re-opened. The sound mix was good, I thought Ross' guitar and Deb's vocals both could have used a bit of boost, but both were still clearly audible. The setlist consisted of: Tattoo Vampire Jimmy Boots Gun Operation Luv Lonestar Constantine's Sword Verboten Cities on Flame Godzilla Dominance & Submission The Red and the Black Encore: Born To Be Wild They were filming the performance, so I presume there is some chance of some or all of it making it to video at some point. The opening numbers were a pair of Helen Wheels numbers (Tattoo Vampire being significantly different from the BOC version). Great songs, both of them. Then the band went through a mix old old and new Surgeons tunes, before getting to the "BOC standards" closing part of the setlist. So, you're probably wondering how it was? Holy shredding metal monsters, Batman! The influences of Ross the Boss' presence in the band are immediate and obvious: (1) they're more metal than ever (2) they're more intense in their performances Don't get me wrong, the Surgeons have always played great shows. They've always had loads of energy and a great live "vibe", and they never, ever mail in a performance. I used to really look forward to the later-in-the-set numbers once Deb's voice was warmed up, and she would start really belting out the tunes. But there was time for ballads and goofing around at the mike, and at times it had more of a "hanging out with friends" vibe to it. Last night (except for the traditional comedy break during Godzilla), it was a lot more head-down, full-tilt rock and roll. Ross has lost none of his shredding, melt-the-strings lead guitar capabilities. More than that, he obviously *loves* the material, is totally into the show, and the rest of the band seems to draw new energy off of his enthusiasm. The new material is real "damn the torpedoes full speed ahead" type stuff, and Al intimated that the other new material (which they haven't debuted yet), which is even more intense. The vibe of their live show now is less relaxed than it used to be, and with more restless, boiling energy. I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 16 13:18:53 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:18:53 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 Message-ID: Thanks for the review! On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:00:00 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: [snip] >Holy shredding metal monsters, Batman! > >The influences of Ross the Boss' presence in the band are >immediate and obvious: >(1) they're more metal than ever >(2) they're more intense in their performances > >Ross has lost none of his shredding, melt-the-strings >lead guitar capabilities. More than that, he obviously >*loves* the material, is totally into the show, and the rest >of the band seems to draw new energy off of his enthusiasm. And not only is Ross a shredding metal monster, he has what far too many metal lead guitarists lack: a GREAT, refined and evocative (from sleazy to grandiose), sense of melody. One of the great thing about seeing him in the Dictators (and presumably the Brain Surgeons) is that it's incredibly obvious that he and the rest of the band absolutely love playing rock'n'roll on stage. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Oct 16 15:04:58 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:04:58 -0600 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: <20041016110000.A12066@cugc.org> Message-ID: > I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen. Excellent review, Steve. Hopefully this was filmed for something that I may actually get to see (since tBS will probably play in Utah about the same time that a democratic presidential candidate wins the states delegates). At least we have the Osmonds! Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC version? Was the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I was in a band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and certainly a great show opener. Brad From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Oct 16 18:43:03 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:43:03 EDT Subject: hotel options for xmas date Message-ID: In a message dated 15/10/04 22:39:22 GMT Daylight Time, atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM writes: > Far away from London but in a much better part of the country HAWKWIND IN MY AREA! Whatever happened to Preston? Why do they never play there now?? Steve. From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 23:14:43 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:14:43 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: <1097953498.417170dab9d5a@secure.aros.net>; from dahl@AROS.NET on Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 01:04:58PM -0600 Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 01:04:58PM -0600, dahl at AROS.NET wrote: > > I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen. > > Excellent review, Steve. Hopefully this was filmed for something that I may > actually get to see (since tBS will probably play in Utah about the same time > that a democratic presidential candidate wins the states delegates). At least > we have the Osmonds! Thanks, although I can see that it might have merited another read-through *after* I'd had my coffee... :-) > Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC version? Was > the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I was in a > band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and certainly > a great show opener. I wish I was a musician so I could tell you! :) Fortunately, the world's leading expert on tBS' music happens to read this list, and is often willing to field questions... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 17 09:07:30 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:07:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Magic Cat Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (October 17, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #113), Magic Cat Radio (show #8), and Drool Trough (show #19). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #113) Hidria Spacefolk - "Pajas" (from Balansia) Nigel Potter - "Callsign" (from Soundclick.com page) Second Sight - "Alive In The Dead Of Night" (from Soundclick.com page) Litmus - "Sonic Light" / "Rays Of Sonic Light" (from You are Here) Psychosexual Sex Terrestrials v Sons Of Selina - "Creatures Of The Night" The Stoneage Hearts - "Eye Of A Lie" (from Guilty As Sin) Daydream Nation - "Neon" (from Bella Vendetta) Steve Lawson - "The Space Between The Silence" (from Grace and Gratitude) Nifty Eagu & the Glo-Pilots - "Second Vision" (from Glo-Balisation) Sula Bassana - "Dealer McDope" (from Dreamer) Tom Byrne - "Grey Goo" (from The Store Of All The Worlds) Sloterdijk - "Integration" (from PEMAF) Magic Cat Radio (show #8) Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Dr Brown and Majic Cat, and features special live performances from Majic Cat, related bands, and anything else that Kev cares to share. This edition of Magic Cat Radio is a compilation of friends and companions musical utterances. The Valles Brothers Band - "Aeroplane" Firegarden - "Eden" Zachariah Toadstool - "Deforest Kelley Of Arden" The One Eyed Bishops - "Shorty George" Acousticat - "Kiffcat Blues" Superczar - "The Flight" Neil Forbes & Bill Newsinger - "Big Red Van" Bubbledubble - "Hubblescope" Sonic Arcana - "Sonic 1" The Burning Wood Project - "Track No. 7" The Far Look - "The Fruit Of Frost Mayhem" Drool Trough (show #19) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. The Stoneage Hearts - "Rock N Roll Boys Rock N Roll Girls" (from Guilty As Sin) Dada Dicky - "Black And White" (from Dada Dicky) Zmrzlina - "Confection" (from Azadi! A Benefit Compilation for the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan) Qualone - "Insanity Ride" (from Qualone) Nick Castro - "Jack Of All Seasons" (from A Spy In The House Of God) David Shamrock - "Farewell" (from Thin Pillow) The Mothers Anger - "So" (from The Mothers Anger) New Planet Trampoline - "Whirlpool Clyde" (from The Curse Of The New Planet Trampoline) The Volta Sound - "I Knew You'd Know" (from Dandelion Wine) Aspects Of Physics - "3:55:58" (from Marginalized Information Forms One: Ping) Ginger Leigh - "In The Month Of March" (from If I Should Die Tomorrow) Superczar - "C.O.W." (from Pop Art) Bob Seawick - "Breakthrough" (from Distant Latitudes) Liam Macdonald - "Eagle And Snake" (from Verge) Johnny Jones - "Wouldn't Mind It (Jack Kelly Blues)" (from Suffering Halos) A Five And Dime Ship - "A Small Death" (from The Way It All Would End) Owen - "The Moon Is Dipped In Silver" (from Psychedelic Tour De Force) Terry Munday - "Behind The Veil Of Ignorance" (from The Human Zone) Rebuilthangartheory - "Rusted Magnet" (from With Hurricane Blows) Blow Up Hollywood - "Oceans" (from Fake) http://Aural-Innovations.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Oct 17 09:42:21 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:42:21 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: <20041016110000.A12066@cugc.org>; from swann@CUGC.ORG on Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 11:00:00AM -0400 Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 11:00:00AM -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: > The Brain Surgeons played live last night at the Meat > Locker/Underground Eight in Montclair, NJ. [...] > The new material is real "damn the torpedoes full speed > ahead" type stuff, and Al intimated that the other new > material (which they haven't debuted yet), which is even > more intense. The vibe of their live show now is less > relaxed than it used to be, and with more restless, boiling > energy. > > I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen. As an addendum to the review, I thought I would add a couple of notes... [1] I never looked forward to the Born to be Wild cover at BOC concerts. That's because (1) I go to hear BOC's songs, not Steppenwolf's, and (2) David Lee Roth is wild. Ted Nugent is *wild*. BOC was born to be dark and mysterious and slightly weird, I never thought of them as particularly wild. On the other hand, with the new Ross the Boss influenced Brain Surgeons, you could believe that they're wild - and they play a *really* kick-ass cover of that tune. Instead of it being a slight let down from the rest of the concert as I've always seen it before, it ended up being kind of an unexpected high note. [2] I think there's enough great Brain Surgeons material at this point (and as I mentioned in the review, we haven't even heard all the new stuff yet) that the BOC section of the show should be chopped down to maybe 2 songs. And given the quality of the Brain Surgeons material that Al has been turning out for years now, in my opinion the BOC songs are no longer the highlight of the show, and they they should be moved to the middle of the set, instead of the end. Don't get me wrong, I love those songs, but I've been listening to them for decades, and hearing Al's recent work is just more exciting. The Brain Surgeons are too good to be acting like a tribute band, even to Al's own amazing past. [3] I think they should add a Manowar tune to the setlist. Something completely over the top, like Sign of the Hammer, or Blood of My Enemies, and that Al should move the comedy drum solo into the middle of *that*. I think the contrast would be great. I know Al would do it, too, if Ross will let him. ;-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Oct 17 10:57:06 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:57:06 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets In-Reply-To: <20041017094221.B17868@cugc.org> Message-ID: At 09:42 AM 10/17/2004, you wrote: >[2] I think there's enough great Brain Surgeons material at >this point (and as I mentioned in the review, we haven't >even heard all the new stuff yet) that the BOC section of >the show should be chopped down to maybe 2 songs. And given >the quality of the Brain Surgeons material that Al has been >turning out for years now, in my opinion the BOC songs are >no longer the highlight of the show, I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit? What's truly exciting, though, is how much of that set is new material. When was the last time BOC's shows were that way? 1981? That said, if chopping down TBS's "let me show you how it SHOULD be done" section of the show to 2 B' O Cult songs, i'd go with Death valley nights and Baby Ice Dog... the heavy version from "Career of Christmas"/Malpractice fits with the mood, and DVN would be a nice "break" before ragin' fuill on into the set's home stretch. That and the lyrics kick the most ass for your dollar (excepting Dominance and Submission... but that's a different kind of kicking.) Jason From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 17 13:04:55 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: <20041016231443.A17868@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2004, at 11:14 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > >> Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC >> version? Was >> the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I >> was in a >> band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and >> certainly >> a great show opener. > > I wish I was a musician so I could tell you! :) > Fortunately, the world's leading expert on tBS' music > happens to read this list, and is often willing to field > questions... > Uh, it's not very different from the BOC version IMO. We've split the voicings of the two guitars with Deb playing a higher, lighter more sustained part and Ross doing the down and dirty chugging part. I also altered the melody to give myself some higher notes and changed some of the words to what Helen sang on the Archetype record. It's pretty straightforward now. I've done versions where the tempo was speeded up and other ones with Helen where the riff was totally different but now we're doing it more like BOC than ever except we play it heavier. ;-) Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 17 13:08:26 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:08:26 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th In-Reply-To: <20041016092355.A6267@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Stephen Swann wrote: > that we three were all on Park Street in the WRONG TOWN. I > found it sort of a delightful coincidence that we managed to > show up on the same wrong street in the wrong town, within 5 > minutes of each other. BOC-L solidarity! > > All was well, though. We all made it to the show in plenty > of time. Review coming up soon. > Great to see Mr Swann again at a tBS show. The night was just about perfect. Picture to follow. AL From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 16:48:19 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:48:19 +0100 Subject: t Message-ID: t From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 16:51:28 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:51:28 +0100 Subject: Fw: Carol Clerk book Message-ID: Subject: HW: Carol Clerk book Just finished reading this!! I also have Ian's. My suggestion - get both - read Ian's first; has more of a music content, then read Carol's. My thoughts? Well the people come across basically as I thought they were/are. Dave as a bit of a hustler, Nik desperate to be seen as "the conscience of hawkwind" (and back in the band) (and doesn't like Lemmy - that is obvious) - the rest judge for yourselves. There are some real arseholes amongst the ex-members! I was at some of the events discussed in CCs book. Backstage at Earth Ritual and Black Sword tours - Hawkon - Stonehenge etc etc., some of doesn't exactly square with my memory. Dave B following Dave A about at Hawkon? Don't think so - DB couldn't move for fans. Trev Hughes has jumped ship for Nik, again! Saw Trev at the Edinburgh gig a couple of years back- care to repeat what you said there? As Huw says: without Dave B it isn't Hawkwind!! All jolly fun. Dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Oct 17 17:52:33 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:52:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK to perform at 'Cosmic Cofeehouse': Nov 13th ( news story) Message-ID: To access the story click to: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/10/prweb167767.htm SLOTERDIJK @ 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse': Saturday, November 13th! SLOTERDIJK will perform at New Jersey's 'Cosmic Coffeehouse', Saturday, November 13th visit: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org for more information or call Ken Palmer ( Brainstatik) at: (609) 298-4080 Doors usually open about 7PM with shows beginning at 8PM entree: $5.00 ( benefits local community association) From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 17 18:49:31 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:49:31 EDT Subject: t Message-ID: In a message dated 17/10/04 21:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > t > minus .. . and counting. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 17 18:58:28 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:58:28 -0400 Subject: t Message-ID: u > > From: GutterCat at AOL.COM > Date: 2004/10/17 Sun PM 06:49:31 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: t > > In a message dated 17/10/04 21:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, > dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > t > > > minus .. . and counting. > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 17 19:13:45 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:13:45 EDT Subject: t Message-ID: In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > u > t From asg at MVDBASE.COM Sun Oct 17 22:42:16 2004 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:42:16 +0200 Subject: t In-Reply-To: <1f1.2d02f6e6.2ea456a9@aol.com> Message-ID: > In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time, > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > > writes: > > u > > t Some people must be incredibly bored................. (unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!) It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave... Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 05:07:17 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:07:17 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041017104714.021ab558@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote: > I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to > pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit? "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster" (reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :) No reason not to play a few BOC songs (I mean, Al was kinda involved with writing quite a lot of them ;) but it would be OK (with me) to turn them into a "rotating cast", pulling out a couple of different ones at different shows. > That said, if chopping down TBS's "let me show you how it SHOULD be done" > section of the show to 2 B' O Cult songs, i'd go with Death valley nights > and Baby Ice Dog... Those would be good choices. I like the recorded tBS versions of those rather more than the BOC recordings :) And I'd be into some cool stuff from _Imaginos_ being pulled out, since like 30C is ever gonna play those. Man, an "I am the One" with Ross would *dominate*! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 05:10:49 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:10:49 +0100 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: <20041017094221.B17868@cugc.org> Message-ID: On 17/10/2004 14:42, Stephen Swann wrote: > [3] I think they should add a Manowar tune to the setlist. > Something completely over the top, like Sign of the Hammer, > or Blood of My Enemies, and that Al should move the comedy > drum solo into the middle of *that*. I think the contrast > would be great. I know Al would do it, too, if Ross will > let him. ;-) Blood of My Godzilla? No, no, perhaps we're moving into far to cheezy a territory there .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 05:23:43 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:23:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farflung reading list Message-ID: Dear All, ages back, when we were still expecting a Farflung album called _The Myth of Solid Ground_ to emerge, I remember I think Keith H. googling for the title and coming up with an SF news report about the San Andreas fault or something like that, and suggesting that at least we knew what Tommy Grenas had been reading a little while ago. Rather more recently I've come across references to this, which gave me another of those moments: Sorry about the long URL. Not sure if I can recommend the book from a medievalists's point of view ;-) but the modern stuff sounds like good journalistic intrigue... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 06:03:23 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:03:23 +0200 Subject: Farflung reading list Message-ID: Jon "A Good Thread Never Dies" Jarrett comes up with.... >ages back, when we were still expecting a Farflung album >called _The Myth of Solid Ground_ to emerge, I remember I think Keith H. >googling for the title and coming up with an SF news report about the San >Andreas fault or something like that, and suggesting that at least we >knew what Tommy Grenas had been reading a little while ago. LA Weekly it was... Now a brand new search yields that this story has become much more than that, given that its author has now published a book under that same title. You can find it at amazon.com in fact. Not everyone is thrilled with Mr. Ulin though... http://quake.exit.com/A000409.html But I don't quite understand the situation, 'cause the Amazon review seems to suggest that Ulin's book shows some amount of amazement at the current level of earthquake prediction ability. But the LAWeekly article (which I haven't actually read) was subtitled "On The Science, Pseudoscience and Lunatic Logic of Earthquake Prediction." So what is he? A flip-flopper? Hmm...but anyway...searching on the title via Yahoo still hits Aural Innovations at No. 2 (sadly below "Wal-Mart")...Google puts us on the second page after a bunch of inevitable big name book-sellers following the Ulin publication. Grakkl (FFA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 06:36:55 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:36:55 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > There are new bands coming through, but they're not necessarily (at > the moment) to the taste of habitu?s of this list - the whole ska/punk > scene seems to be truly thriving judging by my son's idea of a good > night out. Jon may wish to note that Josiah (who opened Canterbury a > coupla years back) are still going, and appear to be recording now (I > heard some stuff on (believe it or not) Radio Scotland while on > holiday. While I wouldn't knock tribute/cover bands - I was most > entertained by Whole Lotta Led recently - I think that the large > number of them that are touring may be having a stultifying effect on > small venues. I am interested in the Josiah thing, although I had heard that they had an album out some time ago. The last place I heard of this, though, was practically on topic. I don't know if anyone but me has gone to look at recently, but in its static state it is pluggi a new label called Molten Records who are currently boasting On Trial and, you guessed it, Josiah. Because it's mentioned there I'm wondering if Richard Allen is behind this? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 07:00:09 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:00:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: <20040922184701.GA14351@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 05:39:09PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > > we'll need to start having > > tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet. > > Well, 10cc did a soundtrack to a movie that hadn't been made yet > (and still hasn't, to my knowledge). So did Bobbie Gentry and > Gladys Knight, but both those movies did eventually get made :-) And The Mothers of Invention's _Uncle Meat_ did get made, but probably shouldn't have been. Not that I've seen it but to judge from the dialogue excerpts included on the remaster CD, it must have been *awful*. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 07:16:25 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:16:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: <20040922150036.4haa5i0cskswo4k4@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Henderson Keith : > > > Hmmm...Nektar are really (still) very good. > > I was somewhat disappointed with them at NEARFest, whereas I thought Caravan > kicked ass. I was taking my wife because she likes Caravan a lot, but Nektar > isn't really her cup of tea. That does surprise me, I must admit. Having seen both in reasonably recent years (Caravan last in 2001 at the Canterbury Festival) Nektar earlier this year as keen readers of my screeds to this list will know, I thought Caravan were bland, self-indulgent and more or less content-free, while Nektar were driven, imaginative and focused. Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me (one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records website, for heaven's sakes--what?!). Nektar on the other hand have fast become a fixation in the CD player (albeit currently between endless Bevis Frond). So I am surprised that one could come out favouring Caravan over Nektar live. What kind of ears am I not listening with? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 08:12:01 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:12:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: CD Rot Message-ID: Hey Folks... Well, this is in a way on-topic, but only coincidentally. So, I put on my Virgin (1989) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm CD on the other day, and discovered to my horror, that it is 'going bad.' I don't know much about the CD rot phenomenon (as I've never had this happen before), but I suppose this must be it. It's got a heap of crackly noise at the outset during the first bit of SotA, but that quickly dies out when the real song kicks in. But then it slowly creeps back toward the end of the album, starting again around Days of the Underground. Never gets as bad as the first two minutes, but it's enough to be distracting. And the noise is louder when the music is louder, and vice versa. It seems strange that it appears to creep in from the edges on both sides, but in non-uniform way. I mean, the noise propagates just a tiny distance in from the center ring (the beginning) through (apparently) the 'Table of Contents' and the first two minutes only. But because QSC is 'short' (42 minutes or so), it has a wide ring of unused disc space, and the 'rot' seems to have already crept from the far edge across this empty zone into the last cm or so of actual music. Or am I reading too much into this pattern? Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe I have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just curious as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or else Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of CDs and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against things like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with was the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old PDO discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see whether this one was also a PDO disc. Anyway, out of 3,000 discs or so that I've owned, to have one go 'south' is not such a terrible thing. But I hope that I don't suddenly get a bunch of them rotting out as all those I bought in the late 80s get to be 20 years old. OK, back to regular programming... Grakkl (FFA) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Oct 18 06:48:52 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:48:52 -0400 Subject: t Message-ID: Or Joan Crawford... tim 8>)... Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > > In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time, > > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > > > > writes: > > > u > > > > t > > Some people must be incredibly bored................. > > (unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!) > > It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave... > > > > Alex. > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 08:27:05 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:27:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote: > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe I > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just curious > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or else > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of CDs > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against things > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with was > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old PDO > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see > whether this one was also a PDO disc. My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only interested in the music, not the media :) My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still have both of these, somewhere ....). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 18 08:41:43 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:41:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Rot Message-ID: I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield albums, both on Virgin too... I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which has gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it plays perfectly. Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot > On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote: > > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe I > > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just curious > > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or else > > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of CDs > > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against things > > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with was > > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old PDO > > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see > > whether this one was also a PDO disc. > > My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or > not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only > interested in the music, not the media :) > > My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird > bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from > Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the > company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember > aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still > have both of these, somewhere ....). > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Oct 18 08:58:01 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:58:01 EDT Subject: OFF: sappy prog Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/04 4:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing > going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never > see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even > though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me > (one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records > website, for heaven's sakes--what?!). Lee Dorian, wot?? ah, haven't listened to some old Napalm Death or Cathedral in a while... (hey, chris??) see ya in a few months, jon? chuck, whose appearances are becoming even more seldon than thou...and who's currently on the brink of sleep-deprivation delerium, while having to go to work in a few hours...withdrawals from alcohol sure are a bitch...if that's what it is... nevermind, and this ain't sappy prog - n. death. celebrating my 10-year boc-l anniversary, remembering when i was just a wee lad, charles the grinning boy only still...who where or what would i be now if i hadn't joined?? c a few key moments and precious memories - Jill S's generous package to a fledgeling: all for $10 incl. postage (a jewish memory) - Doremi (remember thinking at the time that "brainstorm" was about the strangest thing i'd ever heard), Roadhawks (w/a note from jill's vendor still in the sleeve from who knows when) and the AoD/Trans Man single. picking up the griffin box-set for Bernard, and being so excited when he gave me permission to open it, so's i could dub what stuff i didn't have yet...my hunger for fresh hawkwind was so intense at the time i would have eaten stale hawk-droppings...hmmm... i got my first CD player just so i could purchase hawk-discs from the then-good Best Buy, not ever finding hw in my old formats in the stores of the area... BBC Radio 1, Church (STILL a favorite, even if it really is solo brock-tronics basically, it all may as well be hawkwind to me, they did beautiful electronic space-music under the mother name - I love Brock-Tronics!! and what he and Harvey did together then!), MHWC...the lushness of it all...Foff-puh mailing me a packet of lyrics... the hand-full of space-rock exposures to follow...ADII, Gong, Can, Darxtar, Pressurehed, '90s Nik... the nostalgia is always there... from lee to all of that... c From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 09:05:14 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:05:14 +0200 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Euro Tour (no UK) Message-ID: starts tomorrow. Still haven't picked up The Whispering Wall, but did get "All the King's Men" not too long ago. Which didn't thrill me all that much, to be honest, though there was one really cool long-winded electronic track, which is the kind of thing they often do very well live (usually towards the end of the set) as well. LPD are a bit maddening in that way, having a tendency to waste precious time wallowing away in their own self-indulgent misery, only then to let Silverman open up all his 'stops' and then a totally amazing psychedelic madness comes through to save the day. But it takes some patience, mind you. Worth a go, if you're in the area, natch. Grakkl (FFA) 19 Oct: Rostock (D) / MS Stubnitz 20 Oct: Arhus / Musickcafeen (DK) 21 Oct: Copenhagen (DK) / Rust 23 Oct: Oslo (N) / Elm Street 24 Oct: Stockholm (S) / Debaser 26 Oct: Helsinki (SF) / Taviasti-Semifinal 27 Oct: Riga (LV) / Klub Depo 29 Oct: Vilnius (LT) / Mulen Ruzas 30 Oct: Gdansk (PL) / Zak 31 Oct: Berlin (D) / Knaack 02 Nov: Hamburg (D) / Logo 04 Nov: Brno (CZ) / Fleda 05 Nov: Krakow (PL) / RE 06 Nov: Warszawa (PL) / Fabryka 07 Nov: Wroclaw (PL) / WK 08 Nov: Plzen (CZ) /Pod Lampou 09 Nov: Prague (CZ) / Roxy 10 Nov: Munchen (D) / Feierwerk 11 Nov: Vienna (A) / Monastery 12 Nov: Budapest (H) / Marco Polo 13 Nov: Debrechen (H) / Kasanthaz 16 Nov: Ostrava (CZ) / TBA 17 Nov: Ljubljana (SI) / Channel Zero 21 Nov: Athens (GR) / Gagarin 205 26 Nov: Campo Bisenzio (IT) / Werk 30 Nov: Innsbruck (A) / TBA 01 Dec: Basel (CH) / Wagenmeister 02 Dec: Brussels (B) / Magasin 4 03 Dec: Verviers (B) / Spirit of 66 04 Dec: Darmstadt (D) / Villa Oetinger 08 Dec: Weinheim (D) / Cafe Central 15 Dec: Cologne (D) / Underground 23 Feb 2005: Munster (D) / Gleis 22 24 Feb 2005: Potsdam (D) / Waschhaus From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Mon Oct 18 08:49:33 2004 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:49:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also have a few of these disks. The're brown, but still play (some UK pressing of Alternative Tentacles cd's), and mabey even some other ones (but then i'll have to check the all). Supposedly, you should be able to send the defected disc back and get a new one... see: http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html and http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp Bart Citeren Chris Allen : > I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield > albums, both on Virgin too... > I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which has > gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it > plays perfectly. > > Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot > > > > On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote: > > > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe > I > > > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just > curious > > > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or > else > > > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of > CDs > > > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against > things > > > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with > was > > > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old > PDO > > > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see > > > whether this one was also a PDO disc. > > > > My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or > > not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only > > interested in the music, not the media :) > > > > My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird > > bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from > > Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the > > company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember > > aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still > > have both of these, somewhere ....). > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 18 09:45:04 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:45:04 -0400 Subject: HW: October Support Announced Message-ID: OCTOBER Our 'Take Me To Your Leader' preview gigs; Oct 23rd - Cheltenham Town Hall :- 01242-227979 Support: Dumpy ----- Oct 28th - Bournemouth BIC :- 0870 -1113000 Support: The VS (pronounced 'vees' - an all girl rock outfit) ---------------------- XMAS PARTY GIG 2004 Sunday 19th December London - ASTORIA Fancy Dress Competition: Come to this gig dressed as an android, robot, mad scientist or clone and you could win a chance to join the band on tour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Venue Location: 157 Charing Cross Rd, London, WC2 0EN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TICKET SALES Phone: Ticketmaster UK 0870-1544040, International 00 44 161 385 3500 Payment by Cash, cheque and credit card Venue Box Office Information: 020-7434-9592 Opening hours Mon - Sat 10:00am until 6:00pm. Payment by cash cheque and credit card. Online: Ticketmaster.co.uk From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 18 09:51:07 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:51:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: <1098103773.4173bbdd35eb4@webmail.b-movies.nl> Message-ID: Yep. The older Ozrics CDs pressed by PDO are rotting, my strangeitude looks terrible but still plays ok. Also my ltd triple CD of last train to Lhasa by Banco De Gaia has browned. My Virgin Quark is just dandy though. I have a few early CDVideo Singles, ie audio singles that will play some video on the old laserdisc players as well, that have laser rot and will be useless in a few years. If I remember rightly my UK Dead Kennedys (Alternative Tentacles) Disc is also bronzing. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Bart Brugmans Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:50 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot I also have a few of these disks. The're brown, but still play (some UK pressing of Alternative Tentacles cd's), and mabey even some other ones (but then i'll have to check the all). Supposedly, you should be able to send the defected disc back and get a new one... see: http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html and http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp Bart Citeren Chris Allen : > I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield > albums, both on Virgin too... > I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which has > gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it > plays perfectly. > > Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot > > > > On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote: > > > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe > I > > > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just > curious > > > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or > else > > > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of > CDs > > > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against > things > > > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with > was > > > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old > PDO > > > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see > > > whether this one was also a PDO disc. > > > > My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or > > not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only > > interested in the music, not the media :) > > > > My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird > > bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from > > Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the > > company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember > > aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still > > have both of these, somewhere ....). > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 12:48:10 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:48:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Doug Pearson wrote: > I wouldn't quite say, "new favorite" yet, but I was pretty blown away last > night by Electrelane, who were opening for the Ex (who were amazing, but I > already knew to expect that). Four girls from the UK (Bristol?) playing > really driving (but still fairly polite) drone/noise rock. The singer > switched off between spacey/melodic keyboards (slight minus for the prog- > stylee "U" configuration, but maybe that will get fans of "sappy prog" to > check them out ;^) ), guitar, and some seriously freaked-out sax > (unfortunately only for one song) that recalls Nik's most-waterfowlish > moments - a sound I love! They were recently signed to Too Pure, and > sound like it. Any UK listmembers familiar with them? I'm definitely > inspired to go out and buy at least one of their albums ... Not Bristol but Brighton, apparently, as I discovered when I found that despite being in the town on the right day I'd missed them there this Friday. I went on to miss Circle, because the mailout I was working from advertised the wrong start time and when Sherman and I got there it was (a) half an hour from the end of the (four bands in four hours!) show and (b) so full they weren't letting anyone else in. So I have still not seen either of these bands. Electrelane however I shall probably manage to see given that they apparently play their home town a lot and that it's almost my second one. I did at least manage to see Dead Empire, whom I'd actually gone down there to see, and who are probably currently my favourite band who are still at the demo stage. But because of that, I can't point you at recordings that show this, unless their bass-player's been foolish enough to leave them up on his website. Aha! He has. Anyone bored could do worse than have at the MP3s on . They've just finished recording more so it may be worth checking back. Anyway, that's my plug for the day. I'm assuming no-one needs Litmus plugging by now? Yours, Jon ObLP: Bevis Frond - _Superseeder_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 18 13:44:10 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:44:10 -0700 Subject: HW: October Support Announced In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would that be for the next two December dates, or is this not "the" tour? KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: October Support Announced ... XMAS PARTY GIG 2004 Sunday 19th December London - ASTORIA Fancy Dress Competition: .... you could win a chance to join the band on tour. From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Oct 18 19:28:53 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:28:53 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets In-Reply-To: <417387C5.6010803@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote: > > I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to > > pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit? > > "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster" > (reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :) Hah! Those are the same two songs I asked Al if there was any chance of making it back into rotation! You know, I think I remember that I once named you to speak for me in any BOC-L discussions I might miss out on... this is probably why. ;) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 19 04:33:08 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:33:08 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld, 3rd September Message-ID: Dear All, forgive me for this late and sketchy review, but I had assumed till just recently that I'd reviewed it elsewhere and this turns out not be so. Briefly, a great gig with lots of fun had by all. I arrived only just in time to get a beer before Litmus took the stage. They courageously opened the set with a new song, though I thought a new listener wouldn't have known. Apparently things didn't seem quite so rosy from the stage, but the second one, also new, though it did seem to come dangerously loose during its early stages when guitar and bass had to go through three iterations of their complex riffs before they were finally in step, seemed to present the band with an opportunity to laugh at the clumsiness and recovery from it rather than a horrible failure. It looked and felt as if they were having fun pushing the limits of their competence. And the quite fantastic lights made everything experimental seem more worthwhile anyway. I didn't write a set-list so at some point I'll get this wrong; I think they now opted for the safer ground of `Infinity Drive' followed by `Dreams of Space', both of which were full-on. I got stuck into a moshing loop during the break of the latter, I was damned if I was going to give up before they were. It was very intense and tight. But even then, secure for a bit, they branched out into new stuff again, and we got (I think these occurred here) two more new ones. I don't remember too much about the former, though I thought at the time that it was very much more together than the second one of the set. Martin did tell me the name of the latter after the set, but I've forgotten it; it was definitely the one that blew me away most. An evil bassline--if this long track was in space, which it definitely was, Willie Dixon flung it there by main force--and a fantastic break are what I mostly remember about it; guitar and bass carrying on in the same time signature but without reference to each other, like Beefheart having half of his band in a different room, irresistibly unscrewing the top of the listener's head. Simon and Martin looking out at different sections of the crowd, you could have photographed them and superimposed a spaceship cockpit's glazing for the next album cover, two spacemen staring out at the void while Matt and Anton tune banks of electronics in the background and somewhere behind them almost invisible but evident by the sheer noise of him, Marek shovels coal into the rhythm section. Anyway. Too metaphorical perhaps but it very much impressed me, and the number wound down in a very stoner coda and they gave us a few seconds break with `Rays of Sonic Light' before going into `Sonic Light' itself and finally closing with `Twinstar'. It was all very good. Some might say the first two numbers were a bit too risky, but it was a risk I was glad they took. Arthur Brown also managed to be unexpected. Although he did take the stage in the same way as I last saw him doing for one of his own performances, that is, in a big black overcoat, carrying a lantern and a staff with a black stocking entirely obscuring his face, he didn't open with the same number (which was a pity in a way because that was `Hard Rain Gonna Fall' and he didn't do it at all). He opened with a new one, I think, it must have been fairly recent because it mentioned crack, anal sex and the Gulf War, all of which are apparently things he thinks part of the collapse of worthwhile civilisation. It also included the lines: Give me back the Berlin Wall Give me Stalin and Saint Paul I've seen the future And it's *murder* which, I don't know about you but when someone like Arthur Brown tells me in his most sepulchral voice that the world's finished, good's dead and from here it can only get worse, which was the general import of things, I wonder what he knows that I don't... He rapidly had the crowd's attention anyway. Can't remember everything else he did; we got, as well as a clutch of things I didn't know, `I Put a Spell on You', `That's How Strong My Love Is', `Fire Poem' & `Fire' of course and without half as much of the clowning about whether he's going to do it or not to which I've got used, and particularly notable, a really strong version of `Time Captives', a song which I was never impressed by when Hawkwind did it. Somehow, with a three-piece band all wearing (for this number only) what appeared to be upturned halves of medicine-ball sized spheres on their heads adorned with LEDs, and Arthur standing stock still with glowing raver-type mini disco balls on handles in each hand, the number acquired a solemnity a full band in a big venue couldn't have given it. The band worth a mention: most of the work, on guitar, dulcimer, and at least one other instrument I now forget (I really should have written this up sooner) along with a pedal bass organ set-up, a very able chap whose name I cannot now discover ( being rather behind the times sad to tell), and on the other side a guitarist who was rather less stable, but freaked high as well as low, by which I mean that his solos were generally excellent after about forty seconds work to get into it. A lot of backchat between him and Brown, and one or two spots of duelling acoustics (yes, no electric really here, except during `Fire' and a couple of other numbers which followed), everyone seemingly not quite sure what they were doing but willing to throw everything they in and see what came out. They knew the songs well enough, just not how they'd be this time... The whole set-up also led to a very top-end show. The focus was Brown's voice of course, but for someone who once put together the Kingdom Come stuff and complained how ordinary drummers couldn't cope with what they wanted you'd think the terribly terribly sparse and basic rhythm section that the bass pedals and (on one song only) a foot-board gave would be insufficient. The main reason I didn't wind up buying the live CD-R of this band that was on sale was that I could imagine how on a stereo this would all sound terribly empty and dull without the spirit of the performance to animate it. But with it, while you were there, it was all forgivable because it was after all Arthur Brown live. Brown himself was in fine and unpredictable form, his voice as ever fantastic but also his stage banter. At one point he idly paused a minute to flick some fluff or something from his belly, and looking up at the crowd as if surprised to find them watching him, solemnly intoned,"My belly-button's better than your belly-button". Some wag in the crowd presumably shouted, "Want to bet on it?" because Brown replied "Yes, actually, I would like to bet on it. I've rubbed it with coconut oil,", making with the appropriate actions, "I've warmed it slightly over the stove, and I've had it licked by sixteen Vestal Virgins before coming on stage... *Some* of them were *girls*!" He didn't get heckled much after that, which is almost a shame given the quality of response. Also, because I haven't mentioned her yet, a blonde Russian girl playing Hammond for `Fire' and a few following numbers. She was quite good I suppose, but mostly she won points for being attired in flowing hippy-chick clothes and dancing a great deal like a Bond girl behind the organ. What with her dress, dance style and the lights, it was all dangerously Austin Powers but thankfully the rest of the band made it rather more serious than that. Apparently she's part of Instant Flight whom Brown sometimes uses as backing band. Last number beat them all, after she'd gone off stage again, being a huge blues medley. I couldn't tell you all the songs that were in there, I didn't know them all for a start, but at least (I think?) `Hoochie Coochie Man' (might be making that one up actually), `Spoonful' and, what surprised me most, U2's `Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', which he probably gave more time than any of the others and which he did very well. Having seen U2 do it twice at the old Wembley Stadium I wouldn't like to say it was the best version I've seen but it was good to see that Brown presumably thought it worth including along with the other classics. The whole medley went on for a good ten minutes, anyway, and if we'd needed reminding that Arthur Brown can sing the blues, we knew it now. There was no encore, because of a club afterwards I think, though the clearing-out was still fairly leisurely. I was skint so I didn't buy either the 1997 `Vampire Love' single or a new live CD-R of this band which probably would have been worth it had I been richer. I was interested to see both, plus also the _Brown Black and Blue_ album which I thought long unavailable. I hope he keeps going long enough for me to come back into funds, anyway. He shows *no* signs of stopping. -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 19 06:23:42 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:23:42 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld, 3rd September Message-ID: Hi, A great review of a great night. However, just to be pedantic, a few corrections:). For Litmus, Matt was not there; the long haired electronics/keyboards man is Andy. The on-stage problems came about because they did not get a soundcheck and there were also major problems with the monitors:(. For Arthur's band, the two guitarists were Nick Pynn and Chris Bryant; Nick being the one with dulcimer, violin etc. while Chris played Arthur's foot drums. Lucie Rejchtrova is, I believe, from the Czech Republic not Russia. Hope to see you at the Standard on November 5th:). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld, 3rd September > Dear All, > forgive me for this late and sketchy review, but I had > assumed till just recently that I'd reviewed it elsewhere and this turns > out not be so. > > Briefly, a great gig with lots of fun had by all. I arrived only > just in time to get a beer before Litmus took the stage. They courageously > opened the set with a new song, though I thought a new listener wouldn't > have known. Apparently things didn't seem quite so rosy from the stage, > but the second one, also new, though it did seem to come dangerously loose > during its early stages when guitar and bass had to go through three > iterations of their complex riffs before they were finally in step, seemed > to present the band with an opportunity to laugh at the clumsiness and > recovery from it rather than a horrible failure. It looked and felt as if > they were having fun pushing the limits of their competence. And the quite > fantastic lights made everything experimental seem more worthwhile anyway. > > I didn't write a set-list so at some point I'll get this wrong; I > think they now opted for the safer ground of `Infinity Drive' followed by > `Dreams of Space', both of which were full-on. I got stuck into a moshing > loop during the break of the latter, I was damned if I was going to give > up before they were. It was very intense and tight. But even then, secure > for a bit, they branched out into new stuff again, and we got (I think > these occurred here) two more new ones. I don't remember too much about > the former, though I thought at the time that it was very much more > together than the second one of the set. Martin did tell me the name of > the latter after the set, but I've forgotten it; it was definitely the one > that blew me away most. An evil bassline--if this long track was in space, > which it definitely was, Willie Dixon flung it there by main force--and a > fantastic break are what I mostly remember about it; guitar and bass > carrying on in the same time signature but without reference to each > other, like Beefheart having half of his band in a different room, > irresistibly unscrewing the top of the listener's head. Simon and Martin > looking out at different sections of the crowd, you could have > photographed them and superimposed a spaceship cockpit's glazing for the > next album cover, two spacemen staring out at the void while Matt and > Anton tune banks of electronics in the background and somewhere behind > them almost invisible but evident by the sheer noise of him, Marek shovels > coal into the rhythm section. > > Anyway. Too metaphorical perhaps but it very much impressed me, > and the number wound down in a very stoner coda and they gave us a few > seconds break with `Rays of Sonic Light' before going into `Sonic Light' > itself and finally closing with `Twinstar'. It was all very good. Some > might say the first two numbers were a bit too risky, but it was a risk I > was glad they took. > > Arthur Brown also managed to be unexpected. Although he did take > the stage in the same way as I last saw him doing for one of his own > performances, that is, in a big black overcoat, carrying a lantern and a > staff with a black stocking entirely obscuring his face, he didn't open > with the same number (which was a pity in a way because that was `Hard > Rain Gonna Fall' and he didn't do it at all). He opened with a new one, I > think, it must have been fairly recent because it mentioned crack, anal > sex and the Gulf War, all of which are apparently things he thinks part of > the collapse of worthwhile civilisation. It also included the lines: > > Give me back the Berlin Wall > Give me Stalin and Saint Paul > I've seen the future > And it's *murder* > > which, I don't know about you but when someone like Arthur Brown tells me > in his most sepulchral voice that the world's finished, good's dead and > from here it can only get worse, which was the general import of things, I > wonder what he knows that I don't... He rapidly had the crowd's attention > anyway. > > Can't remember everything else he did; we got, as well as a clutch > of things I didn't know, `I Put a Spell on You', `That's How Strong My > Love Is', `Fire Poem' & `Fire' of course and without half as much of the > clowning about whether he's going to do it or not to which I've got used, > and particularly notable, a really strong version of `Time Captives', a > song which I was never impressed by when Hawkwind did it. Somehow, with a > three-piece band all wearing (for this number only) what appeared to be > upturned halves of medicine-ball sized spheres on their heads adorned with > LEDs, and Arthur standing stock still with glowing raver-type mini disco > balls on handles in each hand, the number acquired a solemnity a full band > in a big venue couldn't have given it. > > The band worth a mention: most of the work, on guitar, dulcimer, > and at least one other instrument I now forget (I really should have > written this up sooner) along with a pedal bass organ set-up, a very able > chap whose name I cannot now discover ( > being rather behind the times sad to tell), and on the other side a > guitarist who was rather less stable, but freaked high as well as low, by > which I mean that his solos were generally excellent after about forty > seconds work to get into it. A lot of backchat between him and Brown, and > one or two spots of duelling acoustics (yes, no electric really here, > except during `Fire' and a couple of other numbers which followed), > everyone seemingly not quite sure what they were doing but willing to > throw everything they in and see what came out. They knew the songs well > enough, just not how they'd be this time... The whole set-up also led to a > very top-end show. The focus was Brown's voice of course, but for someone > who once put together the Kingdom Come stuff and complained how > ordinary drummers couldn't cope with what they wanted you'd think the > terribly terribly sparse and basic rhythm section that the bass pedals and > (on one song only) a foot-board gave would be insufficient. The main reason > I didn't wind up buying the live CD-R of this band that was on sale was > that I could imagine how on a stereo this would all sound terribly empty > and dull without the spirit of the performance to animate it. But with it, > while you were there, it was all forgivable because it was after all > Arthur Brown live. > > Brown himself was in fine and unpredictable form, his voice as > ever fantastic but also his stage banter. At one point he idly paused a > minute to flick some fluff or something from his belly, and looking up at > the crowd as if surprised to find them watching him, solemnly intoned,"My > belly-button's better than your belly-button". Some wag in the crowd > presumably shouted, "Want to bet on it?" because Brown replied "Yes, > actually, I would like to bet on it. I've rubbed it with coconut > oil,", making with the appropriate actions, "I've warmed it slightly over > the stove, and I've had it licked by sixteen Vestal Virgins before coming > on stage... *Some* of them were *girls*!" He didn't get heckled much after > that, which is almost a shame given the quality of response. > > Also, because I haven't mentioned her yet, a blonde Russian girl > playing Hammond for `Fire' and a few following numbers. She was quite good > I suppose, but mostly she won points for being attired in flowing > hippy-chick clothes and dancing a great deal like a Bond girl behind the > organ. What with her dress, dance style and the lights, it was all > dangerously Austin Powers but thankfully the rest of the band made it > rather more serious than that. Apparently she's part of Instant Flight > whom Brown sometimes uses as backing band. > > Last number beat them all, after she'd gone off stage again, being > a huge blues medley. I couldn't tell you all the songs that were in there, > I didn't know them all for a start, but at least (I think?) `Hoochie > Coochie Man' (might be making that one up actually), `Spoonful' and, what > surprised me most, U2's `Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', which > he probably gave more time than any of the others and which he did very > well. Having seen U2 do it twice at the old Wembley Stadium I wouldn't > like to say it was the best version I've seen but it was good to see that > Brown presumably thought it worth including along with the other > classics. The whole medley went on for a good ten minutes, anyway, and if > we'd needed reminding that Arthur Brown can sing the blues, we knew it > now. > > There was no encore, because of a club afterwards I think, though > the clearing-out was still fairly leisurely. I was skint so I didn't buy > either the 1997 `Vampire Love' single or a new live CD-R of this band > which probably would have been worth it had I been richer. I was > interested to see both, plus also the _Brown Black and Blue_ album which I > thought long unavailable. I hope he keeps going long enough for me to > come back into funds, anyway. He shows *no* signs of stopping. > > > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Oct 19 10:40:24 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:40:24 -0400 Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04 In-Reply-To: from "Albert Bouchard" at Oct 17, 2004 01:04:55 PM Message-ID: >Uh, it's not very different from the BOC version IMO. We've split the >voicings of the two guitars with Deb playing a higher, lighter more >sustained part and Ross doing the down and dirty chugging part. I also >altered the melody to give myself some higher notes and changed some of >the words to what Helen sang on the Archetype record. It's pretty >straightforward now. I've done versions where the tempo was speeded up >and other ones with Helen where the riff was totally different but now >we're doing it more like BOC than ever except we play it heavier. ;-) >Al One thing I noticed was that the backing vocals seemed more together now. It seems like David was singing more than I recall him doing in the past (although I may just have noticed it more) but Ross is also chiming in. With all four members singing, the vocal sound has some added chunk. Moving on to more general comments now ... Ross has, naturally, added some depth and pyrotechnics to the sound. It's nice to have a shredder in the lineup:-) He's also got his share and more of rock star charisma, so the visual aspects of the show picked up some - one downside to all the singers is that they often find themselves trapped behind mike stands. Even in the limited space at the Meatlocker, Ross was able to get out from behind his and show off some. As for the three Senior Surgeons, they just keep getting better. The time as a trio seems to have paid off in their chops and playing. All three are playing as well as I've ever seen them. The new material is strong and the old material was executed with style and authority. It's almost a pity that the BS back catalog is so strong, since favorites are almost certain to be overlooked. (Time ... is a favorite here, too. And I missed Il Duce.) And that's ignoring both Al's and Ross'es old bands songs. (But I'll never complain about hearing D&S.) The bottom line is this: this is the strongest lineup I think the BS have ever had, and a lot of things seem to be jelling. I really think they could take off now. I'm hoping to see them in some bigger venues soon (BB King's, guys? What about a double bill with Ian Hunter on Dec. 12? There's no other act listed and Ian has worked with BOC before ...) JB From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 19 11:21:59 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:21:59 -0400 Subject: Circle Gig in London Last Friday Message-ID: I just wondered if anyone else from the list went. Circle were delayed because apparently someone spilt Red Bull on the mixing desk so they had to fetch another one. Consequently I had to leave way before the end to catch a last train home. A real downer. What I saw though seemed unbelievably intense to me. Pure driving hypnotic rock that just seemed to go on and on and expand into different layers. This was the first time I'd seen them headlining and they really shine when they are given the space to do their stuff. About time to in my opinion. These guys are easily one of the best bands out there. They take the repetition/hypnosis thing further than anybody else. And although you can hear elements of other bands in there (think Can with a Hawkwind riff) you can't accuse them of imitating anyone, they sound so original. Some people don't like the singing but I think it sounds amazing live and just adds to the strangeness of their sound. I was really impressed. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 19 17:04:41 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:41 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: <200410041006.i94A6an7003453@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote: > Mark Lee writes: > > > Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes' > > work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth > > and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some > > of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the > > other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works > > per se, just not my cuppa > > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit of debate, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Hit Squad_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Oct 19 22:32:48 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:32:48 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote: > > > > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I > > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. > > He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion > save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to > go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This > hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the > part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you > to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit of > debate, In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably get Jim Carrey... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 05:30:26 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:30:26 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:41 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion > save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to > go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This > hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the > part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you > to be Mike... I'm not particularly into the vampire thing. I only watched Buffy for the humour and Angel because Charisma Carpenter is in it. I did think "Ultraviolet" had possibilities but they dropped it. > Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Could be. Jeremy Irons in the remake of the Time Machine looked like a pretty good Elric too. FoFP From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 05:40:01 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:40:01 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: > > He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion > > save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to > > go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This > > hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the > > part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you > > to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit of > > debate, What about Richard E. Grant? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 20 05:44:02 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:02 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets In-Reply-To: <20041018192853.A11350@cugc.org> Message-ID: On 19/10/2004 00:28, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote: >> > I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to >> > pull tunes from. >> >> "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster" >> (reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :) > > Hah! Those are the same two songs I asked Al if there was > any chance of making it back into rotation! On 19/10/2004 15:40, Jeff Berry wrote: > It's almost a pity that the BS back catalog is so strong, > since favorites are almost certain to be overlooked. (Time ... is a > favorite here, too. The fans have spoken! (Well, uh, a couple o' dudes hanging around online have spoken, anyway :) Let there be Rock, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 20 05:44:56 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone In-Reply-To: <5F144154-1DF9-11D9-9EF9-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com> Message-ID: On 14/10/2004 16:54, Brian Halligan wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :) > > Los ladrones est?n en mi iTunes antes de Los Lobos. :-) Como debe ser! Saludos, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Oct 20 06:31:07 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:31:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Tim Blake's accident In-Reply-To: <200410200900.i9K903G7004933@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: from Gong's newsletter: TIM BLAKE'S ACCIDENT Tim was badly injured in car accident near his home in France at the end of May. I have seen pictures of the wreck, he was very fortunate to have escaped at all. After spending some time in hospital and weeks recuperating at a convalescent home, learning to walk and having all manner of treatment it seems happily that he's almost mended and getting back to his old self, however the final all clear won't be given until mid November. He is hoping to have a short residency of 'come-back' gigs in Paris in January. k From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Oct 20 09:22:21 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:52:21 +0930 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?) that's him I'm pretty sure. No way will it be Jim Carrey. It wont be Orlando bloom either hehe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Swann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote: >> > >> > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I >> > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. >> >> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion >> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has >> to >> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This >> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the >> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take >> you >> to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit >> of >> debate, > > In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably > get Jim Carrey... > > -- > Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make > swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Oct 20 10:01:11 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:01:11 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: <000601c4b6a7$d49d0370$eec98890@homer> Message-ID: Yah the fanbase on his website who voted on it would like Mr Depp :-) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Muad'Dib Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:22 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?) that's him I'm pretty sure. No way will it be Jim Carrey. It wont be Orlando bloom either hehe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Swann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote: >> > >> > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I >> > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric. >> >> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion >> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has >> to >> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This >> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the >> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take >> you >> to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit >> of >> debate, > > In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably > get Jim Carrey... > > -- > Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make > swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 10:08:50 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:08:50 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:52:21 +0930 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?) > that's him I'm pretty sure. The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric have a cockney acccent? FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Oct 20 11:07:10 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:37:10 +0930 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him then. He has also been in several other good movies his latest being some tennis movie. From what I read on the moorcock list some including Mike think he'd be ideal. Anyway I haven't read the latest on that for a few weeks now so it all could have changed. I wonder what a melnibonean accent would sound like? :) re; rich's email on the same topic. Johnny Depp voted most popular choice as Elric? I can't visualise him really. My initial reaction is to laugh at that idea. but who knows - Depp is quite versatile - still I cannot visualise him in the role at all. Bettany yes because he is fairly tall and lean, has quite a fair complexion and with a good wig, contacts and the right makeup - might just work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) > Muad'Dib writes: > >> Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right >> name?) >> that's him I'm pretty sure. > > The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric > have a cockney acccent? > > FoFP > From _jt at COX.NET Wed Oct 20 13:16:36 2004 From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:16:36 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos question. Which track(s) most accurate? In-Reply-To: <07B581D5-CEF5-11D8-875B-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: In the opinion of those who may have heard demos of the un-BOC-itized version (Albert's version) of Imaginos, which track or tracks sound the truest to Albert's intentions? Ie the least altered or polluted by the subsequent production and additions of Buck et al? From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 20 11:28:34 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:28:34 -0500 Subject: HW: london hotel stuff Message-ID: Folks, I've booked us into the Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel (the 65 pound one at the top of tottenham ct rd.), which is the one that folks indicated earlier that they wanted. Hotel details are at http://www.radisson.com/hoteldirectory/hotelbio.jsp?hotelCode=GBGRAFTO&key=hoteldirectory.info.&submenu=hoteldirectory.info.highlight.&origin=Hotel%20Directory&backURI=/reservation/hotelPreference.do?locationUni=638&maintitle=Hotel+Overview My current list of folks who are interested in this is: filip vanhuyse mike holmes bernard pospiech + christos andreas steuwe + his wife arin komins + rich warren keith henderson Note: I've claimed 1 extra person for both Filip and Mike or else we can't get the group rate. (We need at least 10 people for the group rate, you see.) Note: they won't actually charge you any differently, so help me out here ;-) (If anyone else is interested in joining in, please pipe up now, so I can get rooms reserved for you.) Mark L. and Mick C., let me know as soon as you can if you are going to be joining us, and I'll see what I can do. (Keith, I'm assuming you wanted in from your email, but if you need to cancel, that's ok, too ;-) ) Could folks please call my group contact and get their rooms swapped over to their own credit cards. I will cancel anyone's space if they've not done this by (oh, let's say midNovember?) (Note: I don't think she has PGP, so you probably want to call rather than emailing your credit card.) You may need to reference our group booking info number, which is: 1219UNI. Group contact: Carolyn Cooper Group Sales Manager Radisson Edwardian Hotels 19-25 Granville Place London. W1H 6PA Ph: +44 (0)20 7451 0196 Fax: +44 (0)20 8797 4144 E-mail: cooperc at radisson.com Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 12:11:33 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:11:33 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:37:10 +0930 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him > then. Nah, it's a BBC TV series about a group of conmen. He's the youngest recruit to the group if it's the guy I'm thinking of. FoFP From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 12:42:39 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:39 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: >Muad'Dib writes: > >> Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? That's "Gangster No.1", where he plays a London mobster with a penchant for protracted grisly killings involving hammers, chisels etc. Malcolm McDowell plays the same character in later life. Good film- given the recent fad for Brit gangster movies it was surprisingly underrated/unsuccessful, perhaps because the lead character is just too psychopathic to be presented as a loveable diamond geezer who also happens to torture and murder the odd person now and then. Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 12:50:38 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:50:38 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:39 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >That's "Gangster No.1", where he plays a London mobster with a penchant for >protracted grisly killings involving hammers, chisels etc. Forgot to add, on the basis of his performance in that, I imagine he'd make an excellent Elric. He also had a major role in the brilliant "Dogville"- where he played a completely different kind of character very convincingly- no question about his ability to act. Nick From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Oct 20 12:59:41 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:41 -0400 Subject: Arthur Brown material Message-ID: Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones? Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Oct 20 13:36:39 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:36:39 -0500 Subject: Arthur Brown material In-Reply-To: <20041020165941.VIMO2497.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: 'Journey' by Arthur Brown and Kingdome Come is a good album (and recently remastered by Sanctuary with bonuses)Includes Time Captives I have some of the more recent albums which aren't to my taste as much as the earlier stuff. Sanctuary also have an AB 2CD compilation out called 'Fire' I think, which has a pretty good track selection. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Arthur Brown material Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones? Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe From youless at COX.NET Wed Oct 20 14:03:03 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:03:03 -0400 Subject: Arthur Brown material Message-ID: Very timely, this. I've very recently added a review of Arthur's albums to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page. It's written (not by me) from and for a Hawkwind fan's persepctive: http://www.starfarer.net/solowrks12.html Cheers Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:41 -0400, Stephe Lindas wrote: >Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones? Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Wed Oct 20 17:04:03 2004 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:04:03 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: <200410201611.i9KGBXel007638@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Muad'Dib writes: > > > Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him > > then. > > Nah, it's a BBC TV series about a group of conmen. He's the youngest > recruit to the group if it's the guy I'm thinking of. > > FoFP The guy in 'Hustle' is Marc Warren. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 21 09:05:24 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:05:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos question. Which track(s) most accurate? In-Reply-To: <200410210900.i9L903b8017678@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >> In the opinion of those who may have heard demos of the >> un-BOC-itized version (Albert's version) of Imaginos, which >> track or tracks sound the truest to Albert's intentions? Ie >> the least altered or polluted by the subsequent production and >> additions of Buck et al? An interesting question. The overall istrumental sound didn't change much between Al's demos and the final product (which is why those who hear Al's demos know who the real creative force behind this album is). The biggest change is probably more of omission (no "Gil Blanco County", "The Girl the Love Made Blind", plus a few other tracks like the overture...) than comission. Having made that caveat, perhaps "...Frankenstein..." is the closest, retaining Joey Cerisano's lead vocal. After that, I'd probably say "Blue Oyster Cult", "Del Rio's Song" and "I Am the One You Warned Me Of" are perhaps the closest, as memory serves ... hmm... maybe it's time to dig that tape out and give it another spin... John From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Oct 21 23:04:37 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:04:37 -0400 Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany. In-Reply-To: <41769D74.8090307@cox.net> Message-ID: Just finished it. My impressions --- 1. Eric is very glib in his answers to questions. Perhaps suprisingly so, given Popoff's description of Eric as a driving force. I juse don't see how. 2. Allen,when he's asked something, gave onger answers than I though he'd give. I wonder what he says when asked "Why are there so few Allen Lanier compositions in BOC?" 3. I loved Pearlman's judgement about Club Ninja. I might have missed it, but how did he get roped into doing it with so many outside, un BOC songs? 4. Bolle seems like the fan version of Sandy Pearlman. 5. Murray K's role in the band was very interesting to read about; I've not read/heard that much about his role in the Oystercrew. I think the book most importantly, (not the best word...) captures the way a band can cease to exist (c. Fire of Unknown Origin & Lanier's departure in Ninjatimes), and how its individual members find ways to carry on in their own rights. Lastly, a question about today: is BOC still on Sanctuary? I always get the feelign when the co. issues a Best of that it's an end-of-contract dealie. Lastly + !, reading about Il Duce made me want to hear the tune again after seeing tBS-as-trio perform the tune. How different was the BOC version of the song? J From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 22 06:43:38 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:43:38 +0100 Subject: xmas fun in the music industry? Message-ID: Elliot Spitzer is the man who kicked ass on Wall Street exposing dodgy dealings in the tech stocks boom, then made arrests at big corporations faking earnings, and who has this last week exposed a giant insurance scam that ripped off customers. THe news today is that he has invited execs of Sony BMG, EMI, Vivendi Universal, and Warner Music Group in for a chat. He's asked them to bring contracts, billing details and papers concerning their links to the independents who pitch sales and put records onto radio shows. In short, he's going to start lifting rocks to see what crawls out. Anyone reckon the music industry will come out with a clean bill of health? FoFP From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Oct 22 07:26:53 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:26:53 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246) In-Reply-To: <200410201408.i9KE8oOi000349@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 03:08:50PM +0100 Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 03:08:50PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Muad'Dib writes: > > > Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?) > > that's him I'm pretty sure. > > The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric > have a cockney acccent? The man has range, though. Try watching him in Master & Commander, and then in A Beautiful Mind. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 22 09:44:13 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:44:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Press Release Extract Message-ID: THE WRIGHT STUFF - MATTHEW JOINS HAWKWIND! Hawkwind can confirm that they will be joined by narrator Matthew Wright on December's 'Take Me To Your Leader' tour. Matthew will also sing and recite poetry when he accompanies the band onstage at their shows in Cambridge, Exeter and London. And depending on his TV commitments with Channel 5's 'The Wright Stuff', he is also hoping to confirm appearances in Newcastle, Manchester and Birkenhead. As previously announced, there will be preview shows at Cheltenham Town Hall on October 23, with Dumpy as 'Spacenutz' supporting, and Bournemouth BIC on October 28, with support from The VS (pronounced ?Vees?), an all-girl rock band. The Astoria gig - scene of Hawkwind's traditional Yule Ritual ? features a fancy dress competition with fans invited to come as an android, a robot, a mad scientist or clones for the chance to win a place on tour with the band. There will also be fire-eating courtesy of Kris Tait and all sorts of "weird and special things" going on. The tour will showcase new material such as 'To Love A Machine' from the group's long-awaited 'Take Me To Your Leader', which will be released as soon as Hawkwind have finalised their label deal. In keeping with the themes of the album, the live gigs, complete with dancers, will be set in a space laboratory carrying out experiments in cloning - a place where people fall in love with clones and machinery is king. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 22 17:55:18 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:55:18 -0400 Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041021223634.021a6058@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:04 PM, Jason wrote: > How different was the BOC version of the song? That was mentioned as one of the songs they would include on a remaster of FOUO. There is a version on Bambo that is the exact same track but with David Roter singing instead of Donald. From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 22 18:13:06 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:13:06 -0700 Subject: HW: New album... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This might be a first: I disagree with Doug's opinion. I think that sax sound goes well with the sound of the snippet (of course I'd love to hear the entire song to base a better judgment on, but....). Sax has "gotta" have balls when it's appropriate, just as guitar's "gotta" be driving and forceful in the right context, but can be lite acoustic strumming or whatever when need be. In my book, sometimes well-mannered *does* cut it. KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:26 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: New album... On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Hey Folks ... I just thought that I >might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following >the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general >consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half >the people love it, right?) ... My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the lite-jazz Kenny G sax (or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound brings to mind velour-leisure- suited cocktail lounge musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of music that Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death Generator in 'Time Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if they'd put a power ballad with that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes piano preset on CotBS (or if Rudolph/Powell had successfully carried out their coup and made a disco/funk/fusion HW album in '77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in your rock band, it's *gotta* have balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it! (Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.)... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Oct 23 14:46:57 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:46:57 -0400 Subject: BOC:at Hot Topic??? In-Reply-To: <0FE56F06-2475-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Went in there with some friends searching for suitably garish./cheesy apprarel for the 31st, and on the wall of T shirts there was the BOC tour shirt from 77, black with the logo on the front and the bandname all down the back. Needless to say I bought one (though I wonder who exactly owns the rights to that shirt logo? the band? Jason From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 24 17:15:13 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:15:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh Message-ID: I have read many HW articles, interviews, reviews, books and whatever else but I don't think that I have ever read anything with so many mistakes as the group's biography that is up on the MP3.com site. Take a look just here: http://www.mp3.com/Hawkwind/artists/3800/biography.html I never knew that ANITA Baker was a member. Anybody publishing HW related material, be that books or web delivered, can take heart, be generally satisfied and say "I can't be as bad as that" iCU soon mark From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Oct 24 22:56:03 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:56:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Woes of the psychic wars II Message-ID: Guess what? look through GEMM and you'll find "Tales of the psychic wars II" in LP form this time. From the rather terse descriptions offered, it seems to be the same 83 pasadena show that they used the first time 'round. ..."don't let these 'boots go on..." Jason From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Oct 25 06:32:22 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:32:22 +0100 Subject: xmas fun in the music industry? Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > Anyone reckon the music industry will come out with a clean > bill of health? MRSA at least, if not ebola ChrisW ObCD: V/A - Tango Argentina NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Oct 25 06:40:46 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:40:46 +0100 Subject: HW: New album (Kenny G etc.) Message-ID: Doug wrote: > My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the > lite-jazz Kenny G sax (or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound > brings to mind velour-leisure- suited cocktail lounge > musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of music that > Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death > Generator in 'Time Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if > they'd put a power ballad with that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes > piano preset on CotBS (or if Rudolph/Powell had successfully > carried out their coup and made a disco/funk/fusion HW album > in '77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in your rock band, > it's *gotta* have balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it! > (Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.)... Which reminded me about this that came up on the AdrianBelewTribe list ================================= > > Somebody sent me this snippet from an interview with Pat Metheny. > > Pat is my new choice for U.S. President. > > http://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm > > > > Pat Metheny on Kenny G... > > For entertaining and insightful audio commentary on > Pat's essay, go to: > > http://www.richardthompson-music.com/audio/I_Agree_With_Pat_Metheny.mp3 ==================================== Mr. Thompson's contribution nearly left me with an embarassing puddle under my office chair... 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From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Oct 25 08:52:36 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:52:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: quarter inch reel to reel tape machine Message-ID: Hi was wondering if anyone has a quarter inch reel to reel player, and if so would they be interested in mixing about half a dozen tunes from a master reel? Drop me a line off list..Peace, Mike Burro From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 25 19:55:33 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:33 EDT Subject: HW: Its A Laugh Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:47:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM writes: I have read many HW articles, interviews, reviews, books and whatever else but I don't think that I have ever read anything with so many mistakes as the group's biography that is up on the MP3.com site. But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit about Lemmy being on XISOS. The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version. Joe From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue Oct 26 05:25:03 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:25:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh In-Reply-To: <200410260900.i9Q903rp012104@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..." Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor.... ;-) Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate. anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on: "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band." whoa ... Ketil >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit >about Lemmy being on XISOS. > >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version. > >Joe > > From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 26 09:11:45 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:11:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh In-Reply-To: <417E17EF.9010801@fiskaren.no> Message-ID: McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John Gorman who later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of years back. They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and Thank You Very Much (for the Aintree Iron). More details here: http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/ Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..." Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor.... ;-) Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate. anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on: "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band." whoa ... Ketil >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit >about Lemmy being on XISOS. > >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version. > >Joe > > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 09:13:24 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:13:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh In-Reply-To: <20041026131148.C301AE00021C@galaxy.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: ERM !!! Roger McGough is live and kicking actually, He's just released a new book of his fantastic poetry. Mark Von Bargen wrote on 10/26/2004, 2:11 PM: > McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of > the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John > Gorman who > later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of > years back. > They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and > Thank You > Very Much (for the Aintree Iron). > More details here: > http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/ > > Cheers, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen > Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh > > "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..." > > Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor.... > ;-) > Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a > less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate. > > anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on: > > "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album > when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and > went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band." > > whoa ... > > Ketil > > > >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for > the bit > >about Lemmy being on XISOS. > > > >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw > this > >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' > version. > > > >Joe > > > > > -- Iain Ferguson Networks, AOL UK AOL (UK) Ltd. 80 Hammersmith Road, London W14 8UD United Kingdom email: iainferguson at aol.com URL: www.aol.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 117 927 8071 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7348 8007 Mobile: 44 (0) 771 266 1993 AOL UK's recommended destination for online giving: givenow.org This email, its contents and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately via telephone or fax and delete the material from your computer system. AOL (UK) Ltd is registered in England under number 03462696, with its registered office at 80 Hammersmith Road, London W14 8UD. From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 26 09:38:57 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:38:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh In-Reply-To: <417E4D74.6040805@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh dear; WHO was it who dies?? Sorry Roger!! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Iain Ferguson Sent: 26 October 2004 14:13 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh ERM !!! Roger McGough is live and kicking actually, He's just released a new book of his fantastic poetry. Mark Von Bargen wrote on 10/26/2004, 2:11 PM: > McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of > the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John > Gorman who > later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of > years back. > They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and > Thank You > Very Much (for the Aintree Iron). > More details here: > http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/ > > Cheers, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen > Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh > > "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..." > > Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor.... > ;-) > Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a > less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate. > > anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on: > > "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album > when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and > went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band." > > whoa ... > > Ketil > > > >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for > the bit > >about Lemmy being on XISOS. > > > >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw > this > >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' > version. > > > >Joe > > > > > -- Iain Ferguson Networks, AOL UK AOL (UK) Ltd. 80 Hammersmith Road, London W14 8UD United Kingdom email: iainferguson at aol.com URL: www.aol.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 117 927 8071 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7348 8007 Mobile: 44 (0) 771 266 1993 AOL UK's recommended destination for online giving: givenow.org This email, its contents and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance upon it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately via telephone or fax and delete the material from your computer system. AOL (UK) Ltd is registered in England under number 03462696, with its registered office at 80 Hammersmith Road, London W14 8UD. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 26 13:09:50 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:09:50 +0100 Subject: t In-Reply-To: <200410180442.17070.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time, > > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > > > > writes: > > > u > > > > t > > Some people must be incredibly bored................. > > (unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!) > > It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave... Desdinova isn't dead... Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Recordings_ (no, I'm not sure why either) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:11:10 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:11:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > Well, this is in a way on-topic, but only coincidentally. > > So, I put on my Virgin (1989) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm CD on the other > day, and discovered to my horror, that it is 'going bad.' I don't know much > about the CD rot phenomenon (as I've never had this happen before), but I > suppose this must be it. It's got a heap of crackly noise at the outset > during the first bit of SotA, but that quickly dies out when the real song > kicks in. But then it slowly creeps back toward the end of the album, > starting again around Days of the Underground. Never gets as bad as the > first two minutes, but it's enough to be distracting. And the noise is > louder when the music is louder, and vice versa. It seems strange that it > appears to creep in from the edges on both sides, but in non-uniform way. I > mean, the noise propagates just a tiny distance in from the center ring (the > beginning) through (apparently) the 'Table of Contents' and the first two > minutes only. But because QSC is 'short' (42 minutes or so), it has a wide > ring of unused disc space, and the 'rot' seems to have already crept from > the far edge across this empty zone into the last cm or so of actual music. > Or am I reading too much into this pattern? I've had symptoms like this with a few discs here and there, but it's never been lasting, ad I've always put it down to the discs being slightly unbalanced. My first CD player was terribly sensitive to this, and my second didn't have enough clearance in the compartment so you did know about it when a disc wobbled because its edges would tick against the casing! But in more substantial machines, this seems to be audible as a rhythmic static-type fizzing background pulse, which gets louder when the music does and quieter likewise. It's more pronounced at the ends of the disc for obvious reasons, but usually it's also something to do with the ambient temparature and doesn't occur generally. It does sound as though keith's disc is actually decaying but I feel I should warn against all such phenomena being permanent. Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so disastrous for just this one player... Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:44:11 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:44:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 Message-ID: I wrote: "Long awaited, this, after what seemed suspiciously like a slowing down on the Woronzow label and a new album from the Frond whose announcement mailout reported how sick Bevis Frond main man and Woronzow founder Nick Saloman was getting of the music and media businesses. It made the whole slight uncertainty I've always had that there will be another Bevis Frond gig rather more nagging. So of course I went," a friend's marriage, "having kindly ensured that I'd be coming through London on the right day already. "I clearly wasn't the only person who felt it was essential as the Standard was full by the time Outskirts had finished, and among other people I recognised two-fifths of Litmus, Seaweed from the Ozric Tentacles and Eliza Skelton from the Nova Express; London's underground was out for the show. "I got there just in time for the Outskirts of Infinity, anyway. They are a psych guitar three-piece, and last time I saw them the way they worked seemed to be that Terry Horbury (bass) and Ric Gunther (drumkit with too many floor toms for any one man to use[1]) played the tunes themselves and occasionally, at the beginning and end of each song Bari Watts (Hendrix clonery with cigarette tucked under strings at the top end of the neck) managed to join in from his place somewhere off on another planet. This is in many ways my ideal way of using the three-piece format, so it was almost (but not quite) a shame to find them playing more like a three-person band tonight. Bari was more in touch with what was going on than last time, Ric unfortunately was less; the rhythm section was still impressive but not quite as flat-out powerful as they had been last time. Shame. Still a fine performance from the band as a whole, however, with the exception of one jam for which Nick Saloman joined them which didn't really go anywhere. Ric, to his credit, did apparently realise only he could make it move after a minute or two and gave it a rhythm but neither guitarist seemed to want to be the one to find a tune. They could have played ten minutes more actual song instead of trying that but I suppose it *might* have been the best bit of the gig. "Setlist was: I'm Only Sleeping, Eyes in the Back of My Head, Warning to the Curious, Lord of the Dark Skies (this was very good, but it always is), Meet Me at the Bottom, Jam, You Want Change for your Rerun (which seemed to have a whole lot of `Hey Joe' squashed into it), Nowhere Fast. So two Frond numbers but none of their stock covers. Fun anyway. "I have my reservations about the current line-up of the Bevis Frond. Everyone in it is excellent, even the newest member, drummer Jules Fenton, who despite having a pedigree that includes ABC and the Lightning Seeds hits things very hard, pretty fast and with considered intent. Adrian Shaw on bass is as consummately understated a bandmate as any guitarist could want, which is also a pity as he never really gets to play at full strength in the Frond, but what we get is subtle and very well-placed. Paul Simmons is an excellent guitarist and I would love to be able to buy more of his stuff. And Nick is not only one of the world's finest and most expressive guitarists, but one of the world's most eloquent founts of lyrical melancholy since Nick Drake. What could go wrong? Well. The Frond is Nick's band. Everyone there is backing Nick. This is only really a problem for Paul, who's nearly as good a guitarist and is wasted playing mainly rhythm. What's worse is that with Paul there, I don't think Nick is scared enough. He knows there's someone to back him up and he doesn't stretch himself as a result. I suppose for all I know he may be vomiting with stage-fright beforehand when he has to cover guitar by himself, but I've seen him do it once and it was much better than since. With Paul playing at about 40% strength, and Nick playing at 80% or so, I suppose we've got more than we would from one guitarist, such as a guitar lead when Nick plays a sitar as in `Superseded', and some twin lead (though much less than I'd expect). Nick could run to one of the organs that so often feature on the Frond's albums too, but doesn't. I'd sacrifice `Superseded' if it meant Nick playing at the 100% mark though. "Anyway, we got: Doing Nothing (good), Hole Song #2 (good), Maybe (OK), Stoned Train Driver (good), He'd Be a Diamond (good), Lights Are Changing (OK), Dragons (good but a bit over-long for its strength; considering most of the others struck me as short, I suspect this isn't a good sign), Alpha Waves (OK), Stain on the Sun (a bit sub-par to be honest, Nick's heart didn't seem to be in the vocals, which is probably not surprising given how much of his happy family were there but still), Superseeder (excellent--but I do love this song), and lastly something that might have been called `In No Time', which was a very simple four-chord number. Just as well as it got all the soloes wedged into it. "The Frond now do this as part of the routine, introducing the band in the last number and letting each member take a solo; Paul's was really the first time he'd been able to cut loose all gig but still left me slightly underwhelmed, I don't think he's getting enough practice. Adrian's was mostly delay, which meant he not so much played a solo as played two tunes on top of each other and then turned them both into twiddly noise and feedback. Jules's solo was very good; he made a determined attempt to keep a steady beat going on the high hat throughout whilst playing all kinds of other rhythms round it, and nearly made it except that he got too excited towards the end and roped the hat into a big rool a couple of times. He's definitely proficient though. Nick, who had punctuated the whole concert with anecdotes about his mates who'd come to see him[3] or the mediocrity of his past, had told us about first meeting Bari and on discovering that this then-18-year-old could play a Stratocaster like Hendrix,[4] electing to play songs instead of trying to impress him, said he'd do the same thing again, and thus his solo was a one-man version of `Waving' from New River Head. Then there was kind of whole-band solo which was a short version of Love's `Signed DC', which was very good but left out the big break at the end in favour of finally finishing the track that had begun all the soloes. This track must have taken twenty-five minutes to play with everything they stuffed into the middle of it and it was easily the weakest thing they played, so perhaps it was best that it was so broken up... "And then an encore! I thought it was Hendrix's `Red House', and seemingly so did at least Adrian who was definitely playing that. I've been back and played the Frond track that it actually was, which was `Medieval Sienese Acid Blues', again since then and I swear the bassline is different, so Adrian was presumably larking about, but either way, a fine version of the track left us finally free to leave at just after eleven thirty, half an hour after they'd sworn they were going to finish. It was just as well I'd managed to arrange a lift back to Cambridge... But I went home happy. Not just because of having picked up four albums for 25 quid including 2 very fine ones but because even if Outskirts of Infinity hadn't been top-class and the larking about in the soloes had been the only part of the set that the Frond seemed to give their full attention to except perhaps `Superseded', it had still been a good do full of friends having a laugh. Possibly more a party than a gig, but in that case a fairly successful one." "[1] Okay. He has two. He did use them both. He does use a big kit though. "[3] My favourite one was "That's my friend [whoever]! He doesn't know I can play guitar!" This was half-an-hour into the set, I think the secret might have been out by then... "[4] He's still only nine of Hendrix's logarithmic ten so I think Nick exaggerates, but I can see why he chose not to compete..." Yours all, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Oct 27 05:48:49 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:48:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:38:57 +0100 > From: Mark Von Bargen > > Oh dear; WHO was it who dies?? > Sorry Roger!! Adrian Henri, who was anthologised with McGough & Brian Patten in "The Mersey Sound" (probably the most successful of all of the "Penguin Modern Poets" anthologies) and was a member of "The Liverpool Scene" who more successfully combined music and poetry than most. A sweet guy. http://www.andyrobertsmusic.com/poetry.html http://home.luna.nl/~poetry/part/41/ And more besides if you go and stick his name into google. Rather splendidly, and unusually these days, the google results really DO have a high signal-to-noise ratio for this search! Also (I guess comments are already in, but I only get the digest) R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft) I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it will only be a "ghost in the machine". Except when on holiday I haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there. I have, however, been an aficionado of his Radio 4 "Home Truths" programme since its inception - true "human interest" broadcasting, untainted by tabloid sleaze or any kind of high-minded looking down. A true public service broadcaster. Rock on, John! ChrisW NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 05:54:33 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:54:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27/10/2004 10:11, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last > time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first > album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through > Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable > crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect > had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the > kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and > soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't > figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so > disastrous for just this one player... It could be that errors introduced by a somewhat wonky burner are smoothed out by the hefty error correction that's built in (especially these days) to consumer audio CD players but that computer CD drives (not equipped with such error correction features) cough and spit a bit more when they run into a bit of digital gristle. In my admittedly non-pro experience, computer CD drives are much more picky about what they will or won't read than standard audio CD players (which you have to feed a pretty suspect slab of CD before they start to run into trouble). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 05:58:17 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27/10/2004 10:48, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft) > I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about > 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it > will only be a "ghost in the machine". Except when on holiday I > haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it > was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there. That's because in recent years his Radio 1 show (at least the late night one I sometimes heard -- maybe there were others!?) seemed dedicated to an experiement along the lines of "How much hideous noise can I possibly play without getting kicked off the air?" ;) But then, I suppose that was always part of his job :) > Rock on, John! Amen! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:58:24 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: sappy prog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > In a message dated 10/18/04 4:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > > Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing > > going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never > > see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even > > though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me > > (one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records > > website, for heaven's sakes--what?!). > > Lee Dorian, wot?? ah, haven't listened to some old Napalm Death or Cathedral > in a while... (hey, chris??) see ya in a few months, jon? chuck, whose > appearances are becoming even more seldon than thou...and who's currently on the > brink of sleep-deprivation delerium, while having to go to work in a few > hours...withdrawals from alcohol sure are a bitch...if that's what it is... nevermind, > and this ain't sappy prog - n. death. celebrating my 10-year boc-l > anniversary, remembering when i was just a wee lad, charles the grinning boy only > still...who where or what would i be now if i hadn't joined?? c I now feel I have to point out that my mail turnround is currently down to less than ten days :-) Watch out... But no, I don't know Mr Dorian himself, just his erstwhile webmaster. I recently read Stuart Maconie (British music journo)'s autobiography, which I thoroughly recommend to everyone and not just on the grounds that it's called _Cider With Roadies_. He has a short but vry pointed chapter about Napalam Death, with whom he once went on tour. It doesn't seem to have been a happy experience for anyone concerned, though Lee doesn't actually feature very much from what I remember. I shan't see them in the same light again, in any case :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 27 11:34:28 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:34:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > I wrote: [Review clipped] Thanks for the show review. I haven't seen the band with Paul and Jules in the lineup and it was interesting to hear your take on how Paul and Nick interact as guitarists. I was hoping they would recreate their chemistry from the excellent Scorched Earth album, but that was a record/band that had a more egalitarian focus. Of course, the Walthamstow gig was just one of a scarce few dates the Frond has played lately. Gearing up for full-on tour might "unleash the beasts" so to speak. Do your reservations about the current lineup extend to Hit Squad? I'd say it's among their best records thanks in part to the addition of Jules on drums. Paul's contribution also helps, though he's basically relegated to a guest role a la Bari Watts on previous Frond albums. Brian --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com "I?m voting for myself because I don?t believe anybody else can represent me as well as I can represent myself." -Robert Anton Wilson From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 27 12:51:07 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:51:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: <417F7059.7090207@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 05:54, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 27/10/2004 10:11, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last > > time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first > > album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through > > Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable > > crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect > > had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the > > kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and > > soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't > > figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so > > disastrous for just this one player... > > It could be that errors introduced by a somewhat wonky burner are > smoothed out by the hefty error correction that's built in (especially > these days) to consumer audio CD players but that computer CD drives > (not equipped with such error correction features) cough and spit a bit > more when they run into a bit of digital gristle. > > In my admittedly non-pro experience, computer CD drives are much more > picky about what they will or won't read than standard audio CD players > (which you have to feed a pretty suspect slab of CD before they start to > run into trouble). Both consumer audio and computer CD players have the same error-correction abilities (unless you're speaking about "anti-skip" buffering used in portable CD players, which is a different kettle of fish). The major difference between consumer audio and computer CD players is the quality of the transport: it's usually worse in the computer unit, due to less well-engineered and constructed components. A poorer transport will increase the raw error rate coming off the disc (e.g., because it doesn't track the data spiral as well due to an inferior quality stepper motor), leading to an increased likelihood of uncorrectable block errors, which will manifest itself in audible defects. Also, the primary function of a computer CD-ROM drive is to read data CDs, which do have extra redundancy to help out. (That's why data CDs have 2048 bytes of data per sector vs. 2352 bytes of data per audio CD sector.) Cheers, Paul. -- Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot... From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 12:56:46 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:56:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Rot In-Reply-To: <1098895865.6202.15.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 27 Oct 2004, at 17:51, Paul Mather wrote: > The major difference between consumer audio and computer CD > players is the quality of the transport: it's usually worse in the > computer unit, due to less well-engineered and constructed components. Ah, well, that would explain the finicky computer units then! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 13:17:01 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (Alan Linsley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:17:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Florida Voting Message-ID: I know it's predictable but I just never get tired of this sort of thing - http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Latest-News/BoomChicagoVotingMachine AL Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 27 13:57:17 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:57:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:17 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On 27/10/2004 10:48, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: >> R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft) >> I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about >> 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it >> will only be a "ghost in the machine". Last night's playlist: - "Children of the Sun" by the Misunderstood (not a Peel session, but he "discovered" them when he lived in Riverside, CA circa 1966, and they moved to England on his advice, even staying with his mum for a week!) - Stiff Little Fingers (3 78/79 sessions) - Pink Fairies (70 session) - The Damned (2 77 sessions) - Mudhoney (89 session plus "Urban Guerilla" from 2002 session) - Joy Division (79 session) - Wire (that 79 session with one 15-minute song) - Can (73 session) - Hawkwind (side 1 of 'Text of Festival' with 70/71 sessions) - Kevin Ayers & This Whole World (70 session) - Soft Machine (the classic 1969 "Moon In June" session) And yes, I was bawling like a baby when Robert Wyatt sang, "Tell me how would you feel / In the place of John Peel? / You just can't please all the musicians all the time ...". >> Except when on holiday I >> haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it >> was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there. > >That's because in recent years his Radio 1 show (at least the late night >one I sometimes heard -- maybe there were others!?) seemed dedicated to >an experiement along the lines of "How much hideous noise can I possibly >play without getting kicked off the air?" ;) ... nor, apparently, all the listeners. ;^) Not that I liked all of his recent choices, but I'm not sure how one could consider (say) the Strokes to be "hideous noise". "Way-too-blatantly- derivative-guitar-rock", sure, but ... And I always appreciated the fact that even obscure bands from Oakland (or wherever) that friends of mine were in could get played on his show because they *made good music* (again, including incredibly poppy stuff as far removed from "hideous noise" as one can imagine). Not because they were cute, trendy, MOJO- (or NME-) favorites, or had big publicity budgets. It's sad that he was such an exception in that he actually *listened* to the music he received, and made the decision to play it based on his own opinions instead of selecting tunes from the computer-generated playlist like every other major radio DJ in the world is forced to do. >But then, I suppose that was always part of his job :) That was the common reaction in 1977, when he decided he wasn't going to spend his whole life playing the same-old-same-old! >> Rock on, John! > >Amen! Amen, indeed. The greatest radio DJ ever, no question. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Oct 27 14:43:56 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:43:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mike Burro 'all hallows' solo performance: Friday, Free!!! Borders Books! Message-ID: Greeting friends, I'm going to venture out 'solo' for the first time in a long while. I'll be performing at Borders Books, in Mays Landing, New Jersey, this coming Friday night, October 29th, as part of their 'Garden State Songwriters Songshare' event. Consider it an 'all hollows' appearance! The music starts at 8PM.. For complete information visit: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 All the very best..Mike Burro ( The One Eyed Bishops ) http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Borders Books & Music 2200 Wrangleboro Rd. Mays Landing, NJ (609) 407-1960 * see website for map and directions From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 14:46:36 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (Alan Linsley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:46:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andy Kershaw was interviewed on Channel 4 news last night and stated that the last time he saw him (about 3 weeks ago) Peel looked awful. Peel confirmed he *felt* awful and complained that being bumped to the 11pm - 1am slot on R1 wasn't doing him any good at all. Kershaw pretty much suggested the BBC schedulers had killed him off. Controversial... AL --- Doug Pearson wrote: > Amen, indeed. The greatest radio DJ ever, no question. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 27 16:57:43 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:57:43 -0400 Subject: BOC:at Hot Topic??? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041023144441.021b2298@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason Scruton wrote: > Went in there with some friends searching for suitably garish./cheesy > apprarel for the 31st, and on the wall of T shirts there was the BOC > tour > shirt from 77, black with the logo on the front and the bandname all > down > the back. So which band member circa Spectres are you going as for Halloween? ;-) Brian --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com "I?m voting for myself because I don?t believe anybody else can represent me as well as I can represent myself." -Robert Anton Wilson From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 02:20:09 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:20:09 EDT Subject: Warrior CD... Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4046873289& ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Currently ?17.00. Steve. From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Thu Oct 28 20:06:07 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:06:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2002 Message-ID: finally got this and just put it on still many of the same old Hawkwind sounds we have all come to love :) anticipating the rest of this thing to be more varied! From Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE Thu Oct 28 13:56:54 2004 From: Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE (Wilfried Schuesler) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:56:54 +0200 Subject: AW: Hawkfest 2002 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041028170400.00a0ca10@mail.chello.no> Message-ID: Great to hear that, enjoy and please leave feedback as well... Wilfried -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Christian Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 02:06 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: HW: Hawkfest 2002 finally got this and just put it on still many of the same old Hawkwind sounds we have all come to love :) anticipating the rest of this thing to be more varied! From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 28 15:06:53 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:06:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: John Peel / Delia Derbyshire Message-ID: Delia Derbyshire (BBC Radio Workshop and Space Music pioneer) made a wonderful electronically processed recording using John's voice in 1969.... Thought it might prove topical to listen to...... MP3 Link on this page: http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/recordings.php Enjoy and savour John's unique voice one last time.... Rik From youless at COX.NET Fri Oct 29 12:29:03 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:29:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Bournemouth? Message-ID: Does anyone have a gig report and / or setlist from Hawkwind's Bournemouth gig last night? Or from Cheltenham last weekend, for that matter? Cheers Steve From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 12:10:37 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:10:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29 Message-ID: Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many solo acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band situation for what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal security' and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage. For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me personally and artistically than one would have imagined. I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no one to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into the slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for myself, to re-evaluate. Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When you're solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up, especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of tunes appears below: Peace, Mike Burro http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04 Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson) The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro) Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) * From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Oct 30 19:51:08 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:51:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29 Message-ID: Sounds like you had a good time, Mike, glad it went well. Isn't `Rolling & Tumbling' generally credited to Muddy Waters? tim 8>)... Burro Mike wrote: > > Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was > somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many solo > acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band situation for > what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal security' > and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage. > For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me > personally and artistically than one would have imagined. > > I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no one > to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into the > slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and > collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for myself, > to re-evaluate. > > Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When you're > solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up, > especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi > acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of tunes > appears below: Peace, Mike Burro > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04 > > Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals > > On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson) > The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro) > Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) * From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 20:48:07 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:48:07 +0000 Subject: Sloterdijk/Scattered Planets gig flyer/ press article for November 13th Message-ID: SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse', Crosswicks, New Jersey Saturday, November 13th!! To print a flyer click the URL below http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf To read the story which is running is at Only Punjab.com's news service see: http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004-insight-Spacerock+Band+to+Play+Hometown+Crowd-status-20-newsID-60.html To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org SLOTERDIJK websites: http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk SCATTERED PLANETS website: http://www.scatteredplanets.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 20:50:18 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:50:18 +0000 Subject: Sloterdijk/Scattered Planets gig flyer for November 13th Message-ID: SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse', Crosswicks, New Jersey Saturday, November 13th!! To print a flyer click the URL below http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org SLOTERDIJK websites: http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk SCATTERED PLANETS website: http://www.scatteredplanets.com SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse', Crosswicks, New Jersey Saturday, November 13th!! To print a flyer click the URL below http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf To read the story which is running is at Only Punjab.com's news service see: http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004-insight-Spacerock+Band+to+Play+Hometown+Crowd-status-20-newsID-60.html To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org SLOTERDIJK websites: http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk SCATTERED PLANETS website: http://www.scatteredplanets.com From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sun Oct 31 14:22:57 2004 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:22:57 -0000 Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times Message-ID: There was an article in the Ecosse section of the Sunday Times which reads ... "DIRGES TO DIE FOR Ian Rankin, author of the Inspector Rebus series, has been musing on his funeral - hardly surprising when your daily grind is penning novels about Burke, Hare and corpses in Edinburgh Vennels. He's been deciding on the music he'll play. Before his ashes are scattered on Arthur's Seat, Rankin wants the service at Cluny Church in Morningside to begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know hates Hawkwind". Then there'll be Death is Not the End by Bob Dylan ("When the cities are on fire with the burning flesh of men/just remember that death is not the end"). Third is You Can't Always Get What You Want by the Rolling Stones. These are very much the choices of the middle-aged rock bore: Hawkwind to demonstrate that the departed never lost their crazy, outlaw side; Dylan to show that despite never losing their outlaw side, the departed was capable of deep reflection; the Stones to make a wry comment on the transcience of things. All of which got me musing on my own soundtrack. I'm having the David Bowie's The Laughing Gnome, the third movement of the Eroica symphony - and the bleak music of inconsolable grief." From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 31 14:35:08 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:35:08 -0000 Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" - and > the bleak music of inconsolable grief." that'll be the sobbing lady on the Church of Hawkwind album > begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know > hates > Hawkwind". Dammit - I've gone right off Ian Rankin now - didn't I always say he was just an ignorant student with no proper sense of values...... jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Oct 31 18:04:06 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:04:06 -0500 Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times In-Reply-To: <013001c4bf80$bc728f40$6565a8c0@sherlock>; from jill.strobridge@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:35:08PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:35:08PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > > begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know > > hates > > Hawkwind". > > Dammit - I've gone right off Ian Rankin now - didn't I always say > he was just an ignorant student with no proper sense of > values...... He only said that "everybody he knows" hates Hawkwind. I could almost say the same thing... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sun Oct 31 18:45:41 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:45:41 -0500 Subject: The Second Either Message-ID: Hey all, I just created a new website Forum for discussing Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about anything else. Most of us there are budding space rock musicians and you are most welcome indeed to join in! The Second Ether Forum can be found at: http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Corum Cheers for now Chris From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sun Oct 31 19:04:22 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:04:22 -0500 Subject: The Second Either In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Jade man : > Hey all, > > I just created a new website Forum for discussing > Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about > anything else. We certainly don't want any of THAT discussed on THIS mailing list! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 31 22:19:41 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:19:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations October 2004 Issue Online NOW!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com THE OCTOBER 2004 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS IS ONLINE NOW The October 2004 issue (#29) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below. The October 2004 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Mushroom review and interview Burg Herzberg Festival 2004 Breitenbach (Hessen), Germany July 15-18, 2004 & photo gallery Herzberg Goes Wilhelmsthal M?hra July 22-25, 2004 & photo gallery Swamp Room Happening Kafe Kult, Munich Germany September 18, 2004 Sziget Festival ?budai-Sziget, Budapest, Hungary August 5-8, 2004 Space Rock Con 2004, Cullman, Alabama, September 24, 2004 photo gallery Tales Of The Action Man: I Want You To Die, Vol. 1 Live Recordings & Shows Recent Releases from Leafhound Records Recent Releases from Smog Veil Records Recent Releases from Garden of Delights Recent Releases from Freakophonic Records Recent Releases from Molten Records Recent Releases from Orpheus Records Recent Releases from Musea Records And loads of reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue29/issue29.html All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Oct 31 22:26:44 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Mike Burro) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:26:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29 Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:51:08 -0400, Tim wrote: >Sounds like you had a good time, Mike, glad it went well. Isn't `Rolling & Tumbling' generally credited to Muddy Waters? >tim 8>)... >Burro Mike wrote: > > > > Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was > > somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many solo > > acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band situation for > > what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal security' > > and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage. > > For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me > > personally and artistically than one would have imagined. > > > > I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no one > > to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into the > > slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and > > collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for myself, > > to re-evaluate. > > > > Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When you're > > solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up, > > especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi > > acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of tunes > > appears below: Peace, Mike Burro > > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > > > Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04 > > > > Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals > > > > On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson) > > The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro) > > Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) * Yes, Muddy played it and made it famous, but to my knowledge it has always remained an 'author unknown' piece of blues...peace, mike