From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Fri Oct 1 05:06:04 2004
From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:06:04 +0100
Subject: HW: Elric
Message-ID: <FRI.1.OCT.2004.100604.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but;
Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be
made
about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in
Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief
surf
around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that
after everyone else goes home ya know.
And on a slightly serious note: Does anybody on here live in the
Elland
area of Huddersfield and if so would they care to recommend places
to live ? Gotta new job and need new home (rent).
Mark (Hasbeen)
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From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Oct 1 05:16:30 2004
From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:16:30 +0100
Subject: Off: No-Frills SpaceRock
Message-ID: <FRI.1.OCT.2004.101630.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Carl wrote:
> On 29/09/2004 22:19, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a
> >> no-frills spacerock band? :)
> >
> > Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time
> > I say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little
> > that prevented me agreeing to in the first place... [1] I
> > leave aside suchtrifles as my complete lack of musical talent
> > naturally.
> The whole point of no-frills spacerock is that [1] doesn't
> matter so much :) At least, I've never let it bother _me_ :)
Doesn't bother me too much either - there are enough ways of blurring
the edges (fuzz-boxes, oscillators, ring-modulators *heh-heh*)
My problem is that everything between my elbows and the loudspeaker
conspires to produce scuzzy blues-rock. However, between my V-Amp and
some of the more extreme settings on my Alesis GuitarFX, I can at least
make swooshy noises & sinister industrial/interstellar clatter.
> > Nah, tune down :)
> >
> > Naaahhh: turn on, tune up, rock out!
>
> Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even
> faster than through the normal process of corrosion :)
You could always *koff* BUY NEW STRINGS!
I have also seen a debate concerning the whys & wherefores of taking
your bass strings off, tossing 'em in a pan of boiling water for half an
hour and then restringing when dry. Sounds iffy to me, but if your
strings are in a terrible state in the first place, what's to lose??
ChrisW
:- wondering if he can afford a)more memory, b)a half-decent soundcard
c)a bigger monitor for his crappy eyesight & d) a bigger, faster
hard-disk while at the same time saving for a trip to Canada. (What is
it with Helen's relatives & weddings in awkward places - Medicine Hat
ferpetessake!)
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 1 05:38:41 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:38:41 +0100
Subject: Off: No-Frills SpaceRock
In-Reply-To: <EBD259E53B6F74408D54029AE0D1E0EC01176B50@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.OCT.2004.103841.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 01/10/2004 10:16, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> On 29/09/2004 22:19, Jon Jarrett wrote:
>> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>> >> Effing dead, so it is :P Anyone want to start a
>> >> no-frills spacerock band? :)
>> >
>> > Well, yes. But I've been saying this for years and every time
>> > I say it I seem to have even less money[1] than the too little
>> > that prevented me agreeing to in the first place... [1] I
>> > leave aside suchtrifles as my complete lack of musical talent
>> > naturally.
>> The whole point of no-frills spacerock is that [1] doesn't
>> matter so much :) At least, I've never let it bother _me_ :)
>
> Doesn't bother me too much either - there are enough ways of blurring
> the edges (fuzz-boxes, oscillators, ring-modulators *heh-heh*)
> My problem is that everything between my elbows and the loudspeaker
> conspires to produce scuzzy blues-rock.
Well, what is spacerock but the sound of drug-crazed Mongolian shamans
with powerful amplification equipment trying to play the Dr. Who theme
as scuzzy blues-rock? :)
> However, between my V-Amp and
> some of the more extreme settings on my Alesis GuitarFX, I can at least
> make swooshy noises & sinister industrial/interstellar clatter.
Twiddling the knobs on the old delay pedal will get some good swoosh,
too. Though I figure spacerock guitar really ought to just riff along
crunchily while proper audio generators 'n' synths are called upon for
swooshy noises.
I mean, isn't Motorhead just Hawkwind except faster and without the
swooshy noises? And isn't Motorhead also just basically scuzzy blues
rock? So there ya go :)
>> Tune up?! My strings will all start to break! (I mean, even
>> faster than through the normal process of corrosion :)
>
> You could always *koff* BUY NEW STRINGS!
Hmmm, a _radical_ idea, but it just might work! ;)
> I have also seen a debate concerning the whys & wherefores of taking
> your bass strings off, tossing 'em in a pan of boiling water for half an
> hour and then restringing when dry. Sounds iffy to me, but if your
> strings are in a terrible state in the first place, what's to lose??
I did actully break a bass string in rehersal earlier this year :)
Admittedly, I had never changed the bass strings that were on the
instrument when I bought it in '95, so I guess they had a good run :)
Then I decided to be a string nazi and get exactly the gauge and brand I
wanted, which turned out to mean ordering them from Germany. Sheesh.
But I got 'em in the end. I really ought to get another set for when
these break in another 10 years :)
I've already got a random pile of different brands of guitar strings,
and tend to slap any ol' new string on when an old one breaks.
Actually, I think my mandolin has a mismatched string on it as well ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 1 09:29:21 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:29:21 -0500
Subject: Elric
In-Reply-To: <s15d2c1e.054@awpo1.linney.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.OCT.2004.082921.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but;
>Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be
>made
>about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in
>Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief
>surf
>around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that
>after everyone else goes home ya know.
Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did the
American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from Mike. The
first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of Melnibone.
In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the post
Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom.
Mike has said that he is pushing for Paul Bettany as Elric
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079273/ who was in Master and Commander. A vote
among fans has suggested they'd like Johnny Depp ;-)
He has also said his last Eternal Champion book will be 'White Wolfs Son'
which he's just finishing.
Check out www.multiverse.org for more information, Mike posts alot of
replies to messages on the forums.
Rich
From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Oct 1 10:05:32 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: Elric
In-Reply-To: <GBECKJOIGBIGCHCKCNPICEKECMAA.cosmicdolphin@comcast.net>; from
cosmicdolphin@COMCAST.NET on Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:29:21AM -0500
Message-ID: <FRI.1.OCT.2004.100532.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:29:21AM -0500, Rich wrote:
> >Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but;
>
> >Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to be
> >made
> >about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in
> >Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief
> >surf
> >around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like that
> >after everyone else goes home ya know.
>
> Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did the
> American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from Mike. The
> first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of Melnibone.
> In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the post
> Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom.
I had an email exchange with Mike Moorcock a little while
back (I was looking to use Elric in a little online
writeup), and I was kind of shocked to hear that he had sold
the rights to Elric lock, stock and barrel. He doesn't own
anything to do with the character anymore.
(Needless to say, I dropped the idea. Asking permission of a
known fan-friendly author is one thing, approaching the
IP-obsessive lawyers of Hollyweird is quite another.)
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Oct 2 06:34:45 2004
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:34:45 -0400
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Purple Overdose Tribute
Special, and Atomic Bongload shows!!
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.063445.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
Announcements (October 2, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural
Innovations Space Rock Radio, which is a Purple Overdose Tribute Special
(show #112), and The Atomic Bongload (show #7). See the playlists below.
You can go directly to the Radio shows page at:
http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
NEW at the Aural Innovations CD Mail Order Catalog:
Quarkspace - Node In Peril... The latest from Quarkspace is a collaboration
with artist Matt Howarth, who created a comic book to go along with the
ultra cosmic Quarkspace space journeys.
Wicked Minds - From The Purple Skies... HEAVY prog-psych from Italy that
recalls the glory days of Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, and other heavy Hammond
and guitar driven 70's bands. Great songs and a killer rockin' set.
For more information you can visit our mail order catalog at
http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: Purple Overdose Tribute Special (show #112)
Purple Overdose were a band from Greece who became one of my favorite
psychedelic bands of the past decade. Though they disbanded a couple years
ago, the Purple Overdose spirit lives on with the recent release by On Stage
Records of Painting The Air, an LP only collection of rarities and
unreleased tracks from the 1980's. So having revisited the entire Purple
Overdose catalog I decided to do a tribute special with selections from all
their albums.
"Magic Forest" (from Painting The Air)
"Her Arms Embraced The Sun" (from Reborn)
"Solemn Visions" (from Solemn Visions)
"Fell From The Stars" (from Purple Overdose)
"Holes" (from Exit #4)
"Chase The Colour" (from The Salmon's Trip Live - LP version)
"Golden Eyes" (from Indigo) 53:45-1:01:30
"Still Ill" (from Painting The Air)
"Nobody There" (from Reborn)
The Atomic Bongload (show #7)
Gas Giant - "Storm Of My Enemies" (from Pleasant Journey In Heavy Tunes)
Colour Haze - "Mountain" (from Colour Haze)
Pentagram - "Show em How" (from Show em How)
Wicked Minds - "From The Purple Skies" (from From The Purple Skies)
Church Of Misery - "Road To Ruin" (from Early Works Compilation)
Nebula - "Atomic Ritual" (from Atomic Ritual)
Datura - "Euphoria" (from Visions For The Celestial)
Zess - "A Forest Mass" (from Et In Arcadia Ego)
Trigon - "Wenn Wir Dich Rauchen Schreien Wir" (from Herzberg 2004)
Phased - "His Sordid Past" (Music For Gentlemen)
Ripper - "Sinister Minister" (from ...And The Dead Shall Rise)
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 2 09:31:23 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:31:23 -0400
Subject: HW: Take Me To Your Leader on MC
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.093123.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ + + ++ ++STAR WARRIORS + +++
In a few days time Mission Control will have downloadable preview clips
of our new album "Take Me To Your Leader" in Real Audio and MP3
Preview tracks featured will be:
To Love a Machine
Greenback Massacre
Spirit of the Age
Out Here We Are
Take Me To Your Leader
Sunray
Digital Nation
Reality of Poverty
Angela Android
Letter it Robert
More info on Mission Control early next week
+ ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + + +
www.hawkwind.com
From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 2 11:08:47 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:08:47 -0400
Subject: HW: Xmas Party
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.110847.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ +++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ + ++
We are pleased to announce our Xmas Party 2004
A very spectacular gig with loads of surprises (!!!)
London Astoria 19th December 2004
Full details on Mission Control ASAP !
+++++++++ ++ ++ ++MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ ++ +
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 2 11:39:50 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:39:50 -0500
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.103950.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks,
Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp
paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates.
That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to
people, so who is going where?
(since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) )
..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the
country for it. (woo hoo!)
Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the
others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for
trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for
accomodations?)
Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again?
I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to
hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.)
Thanks!
Arin
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu
Manager of Web Systems Architecture
University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087
1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559
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From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Oct 2 11:50:44 2004
From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:50:44 +0200
Subject: upcoming HW gigs
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.175044.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hello Arin,
Any chance of repeating the increadible work you did with the getting
together of a hotel and band as you did a few years back?
That was really great.
greetings filip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arin Komins" <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
> Hi folks,
>
> Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp
> paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates.
>
> That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to
> people, so who is going where?
>
> (since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs
> ;-) )
>
> ..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the
> country for it. (woo hoo!)
>
> Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the
> others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for
> trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for
> accomodations?)
>
> Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again?
> I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to
> hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu
> Manager of Web Systems Architecture
> University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 2 12:16:56 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:16:56 -0500
Subject: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4a897$941308e0$0100a8c0@filip>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.111656.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
:Subject: Re: upcoming HW gigs
:
:Hello Arin,
:
:Any chance of repeating the increadible work you did with the getting
:together of a hotel and band as you did a few years back?
:That was really great.
I certainly hope to do group accomodation for London for we fans (if
folks are interested), but I've no idea about band stuff (that's a bit
early to tell, I think.)
So as long as you just want accomodation, hopefully, I can find something
;-)
Thanks,
Arin
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu
Manager of Web Systems Architecture
University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087
1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559
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From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Oct 2 17:09:08 2004
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:09:08 +0100
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410021033120.25993@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.OCT.2004.220908.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Arin - Both Julie and I will be at the Astoria so
pencil us in for possible group accomodation!
Mick
--- Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Rich and I are coming into the country (having
> *finally* gotten the temp
> paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the
> US) for the Dec. dates.
>
> That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really
> love to catch up to
> people, so who is going where?
>
> (since I'd like to know who we need to come
> a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) )
>
> ..and, they've just announced London! and we are
> actually still in the
> country for it. (woo hoo!)
>
> Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of
> the gigs to any of the
> others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or,
> if not, anyone up for
> trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the
> same places for
> accomodations?)
>
> Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for
> group accomodation again?
> I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice),
> but I might be able to
> hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous
> years.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arin
> --
>
------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins
> akomins at uchicago.edu
> Manager of Web Systems Architecture
> University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel:
> (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax:
> (773)702-0559
>
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>
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 3 07:50:29 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:50:29 +0100
Subject: OFF: Frond (variety of fern)
In-Reply-To: <C11D774C-0327-11D9-A5A0-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.OCT.2004.125029.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Brian Halligan wrote:
> Jon Jarrett wrote:
>
> > The Bevis Frond still going,
> > just about, does anyone know what the new one's like yet?
>
> I wrote a review of it here:
>
> http://www.acidattackmusic.co.uk/
>
> Basically, it's their best album of the post-Superseeder era. It's full
> band along with Ade Shaw, Paul Simmons of the Alchemysts on occasional
> leads and new drummer Jules Fenton, who is truly amazing. The song
> "Through the Hedge" is a nice return to the sound of Miasma or Inner
> Marshland, albeit better produced.
Thanks for that Brian, it seems like a good one, and since they've
kindly laid on a gig on a day I shall already be in London at someone
else's expense I imagine I shall be getting it from the band themselves in
fairly short order! Hurrah for psychedelic liveness! Yours,
Jon
n/p: My Dog Popper - _668: Neighbor of the Beast_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 4 03:40:54 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:40:54 +0100
Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20040904151631.0255a310@pacific.net.sg>
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.084054.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ian Jeffcock wrote:
> BTW, anyone looked at Huw's site recently, there are a few MP3s up there:
> 5 demo tracks from Huw's late 70's band Jawa, including a great version
> of Rocky Paths for all you Huw era Hawkind fans! Definitely worth checking out!
Following this up, I have to agree, those MP3s are worth checking
out, but two questions spring to mind as a result; the first is, what on
earth was Simon King on at the time? He's really very far from his best
here, considering what he was doing the year before and the year
after... The second thing is, in those files about guest appearances I in
some sense maintain, of which the revised versions will be going public,
ooh, any year now, I have Huw and Simon down as being in a band called
Quasar in 1978; I'm guessing this is the same band, but does anyone know
for sure?
The other thing that's up on that website which is worth
mentioning is a video of snippets of a fairly recent guest slot by Huw
with the Assassins of Silence. Now, I've not seen the Assassins, but if
that's what they're usually like I may not bother... It's like Hawkwind
with all the life sucked out of it! Perhaps the video isn't catching the
ambience properly, and as the site maintainer says there is a quite just
concentration on the dancer, but still. Something about the vocals and
pace. Ah well. Am I being unfair? Yours,
Jonathan
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 4 05:07:44 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:07:44 -0400
Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.050744.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Jon, No Assassins do really suck. The only folks I've really seen raving about them are themselves. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: Jon Jarrett <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
> Date: 2004/10/04 Mon AM 03:40:54 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: HW: Huw, Assassins of Silence
>
> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ian Jeffcock wrote:
>
> > BTW, anyone looked at Huw's site recently, there are a few MP3s up there:
> > 5 demo tracks from Huw's late 70's band Jawa, including a great version
> > of Rocky Paths for all you Huw era Hawkind fans! Definitely worth checking out!
>
> Following this up, I have to agree, those MP3s are worth checking
> out, but two questions spring to mind as a result; the first is, what on
> earth was Simon King on at the time? He's really very far from his best
> here, considering what he was doing the year before and the year
> after... The second thing is, in those files about guest appearances I in
> some sense maintain, of which the revised versions will be going public,
> ooh, any year now, I have Huw and Simon down as being in a band called
> Quasar in 1978; I'm guessing this is the same band, but does anyone know
> for sure?
>
> The other thing that's up on that website which is worth
> mentioning is a video of snippets of a fairly recent guest slot by Huw
> with the Assassins of Silence. Now, I've not seen the Assassins, but if
> that's what they're usually like I may not bother... It's like Hawkwind
> with all the life sucked out of it! Perhaps the video isn't catching the
> ambience properly, and as the site maintainer says there is a quite just
> concentration on the dancer, but still. Something about the vocals and
> pace. Ah well. Am I being unfair? Yours,
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
> jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
> "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
> So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
> (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
>
From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Mon Oct 4 05:08:58 2004
From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:58 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.100858.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes'
work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth
and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some
of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the
other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works
per se, just not my cuppa, might be time to reread them given the
25 year gap. Now I have something else to look forward too, wonder
who they'll cast as Zarozania and Moonglum ?
Mark (Hasbeen)
>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:29:21 -0500
>From: Rich <cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET>
>Subject: Re: Elric
>>Tenuous way to start a thread maybe but;
>>Did anybody else see the banter about a proposed trilogy of films to
be
>>made
>>about Elric perchance, wondered if this was a sensible discussion in
>>Hollywood or just noise on the mail groups ? This stems from a brief
>>surf
>>around last night in a moment of sheer boredom, work can be like
that
>>after everyone else goes home ya know.
>
>Moorcock sold the rights to Universal, and the Weisz? Brothers who did
the
>American Pie Series are writing/producing with alot of input from
Mike. The
>first film is being scripted based on Dreaming City and Elric of
Melnibone.
>In theory Universal are fast tracking the project, to cash in on the
post
>Lord of the Rings Fantasy Boom.
>
>Mike has said that he is pushing for Paul Bettany as Elric
>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079273/ who was in Master and Commander. A
vote
>among fans has suggested they'd like Johnny Depp ;-)
>
>He has also said his last Eternal Champion book will be 'White Wolfs
Son'
>which he's just finishing.
>
>Check out www.multiverse.org for more information, Mike posts alot of
>replies to messages on the forums.
>
>Rich
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 06:02:29 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:02:29 +0100
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:39:50 -0500
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.110229.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Arin Komins writes:
> Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the
> others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for
> trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for
> accomodations?)
>
> Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again?
> I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to
> hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.)
Count me in. I'll probably try to do Cambridge/Exeter/London.
Cheers
Mike
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 06:06:36 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:06:36 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: Mark Lee's message of Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:58 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.110636.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Mark Lee writes:
> Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes'
> work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth
> and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some
> of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the
> other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works
> per se, just not my cuppa
I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
Cheers
Mike
From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Oct 4 06:52:57 2004
From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:52:57 -0400
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.065257.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Just for the look, Edgar Winter would make a great Elric, eh?
tim 8>)...
M Holmes wrote:
>
> Mark Lee writes:
>
> > Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes'
> > work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth
> > and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some
> > of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the
> > other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works
> > per se, just not my cuppa
>
> I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
> havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 4 07:21:52 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:21:52 +0100
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: <200410041002.i94A2TF0001400@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.122152.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 04/10/2004 11:02, M Holmes wrote:
> Count me in. I'll probably try to do Cambridge/Exeter/London.
Having been taken by surprise when the Cambridge Motorhead gig sold out
over two months in advance (!), I'll definitely be aiming to do
Cambridge Hawkwind!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 4 07:32:04 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:32:04 +0100
Subject: HW: Hawkzine
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.123204.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Dear All,
slightly odd query this, but I ask it for someone else,
to wit the sister of the late Larry Boyd. Apparently someone from Hawkzine
has been in touch with her, and having learned with surprise and regret
about Larry's death, asked if they could have a photo for the magazine. I
know nothing about the people who run Hawkzine (for all I know you'e on
the list) but she was after some reassurance that they couldn't `misuse'
it. I'm not quite sure what she fears, but would anyone who does know the
people involved feel able to provide such a reassurance? Yours,
Jonathan
ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Fire in the Hole_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 4 12:55:30 2004
From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:55:30 -0600
Subject: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410021033120.25993@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.105530.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Arin & gang,
The wife and I are interested in the Xmas show, so please put us on the
group accommodation list/reunion.
Br,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Arin Komins
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:40 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
Hi folks,
Rich and I are coming into the country (having *finally* gotten the temp
paperwork needed to allow him to get back into the US) for the Dec. dates.
That said, who is coming to the gigs? I'd really love to catch up to
people, so who is going where?
(since I'd like to know who we need to come a-visiting outside of gigs ;-) )
..and, they've just announced London! and we are actually still in the
country for it. (woo hoo!)
Needless to say, if anyone is driving from any of the gigs to any of the
others, Rich and I would be grateful for rides. Or, if not, anyone up for
trying to catch the same trains? (or staying in the same places for
accomodations?)
Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation again?
I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able to
hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.)
Thanks!
Arin
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From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:29:05 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:29:05 -0400
Subject: HW: Tour Date Additions
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.162905.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ + +++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ ++
Additional GIG DATES:
Saturday 4th December - Newcastle Opera House - 01912-320899
Sunday 19th December - London Astoria - 0207-434-9592 (XMAS PARTY)
www.hawkwind.com
-------------
+ + + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + +
"I like to use automatic"................
From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:32:39 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:32:39 -0400
Subject: HW: Album Clips Online !
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.163239.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ + + + STAR WARRIORS + + ++
A selection of clips from TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER are
now available on Mission Control !!!!
www.hawkwind.com
+ ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++
From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Oct 4 18:22:36 2004
From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:22:36 +0100
Subject: HW: Album Clips Online !
Message-ID: <MON.4.OCT.2004.232236.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
All the links work for me, except Angela.
Sounds excellent, can't wait to see them at Cheltenham!!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Rx" <hw at CY-B.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Album Clips Online !
>+ ++ + + + STAR WARRIORS + + ++
>
> A selection of clips from TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER are
> now available on Mission Control !!!!
>
> www.hawkwind.com
>
> + ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++
>
From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue Oct 5 04:37:27 2004
From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:37:27 +0200
Subject: HW: upcoming HW gigs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410021033120.25993@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.OCT.2004.103727.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hiya,
On Oct 2, 2004, at 17:39 Uhr, Arin Komins wrote:
> Given the xmas party in london....anyone up for group accomodation
> again?
> I can't guarantee a party (although it'd be nice), but I might be able
> to
> hunt down accomodation for all of us (as in previous years.)
Count me in, as well (and as usual with my sister).
(c)IAO
D+R
--
|| All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
|| pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that
|| it is magnetic to the corruptible.
|| -- Missionaria Protectiva "Chapterhouse: Dune"
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 5 08:27:37 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:27:37 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <4146DEEB.7090802@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.OCT.2004.132737.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> It's a fine line, I suppose, but there often seems to be that
> indefinable bit of soul that makes you recognize a band as that band
> even when the sound and even lineup can change radically. And other
> times, even apparently minimal changes can completely chuck the band's
> "soul" out the window.
This has always struck me very much with BOC. Even after the
Bouchards' departures, there's almost always a kind of breathlessness and
excitement about BOC that keeps my attention. It's one of the things I
missed in the Brain Surgeons before I finally adjusted to the fact that
this was a Different Band.
> Motorhead still sounds like "Motorhead" to me, though there are
> (surprisingly ;) actual objective changes to the way their songs work
> and sound (surprisingly). God knows that _Magical Mystery Tour_ sounds
> damn little like _Please Please Me_, but it sounds like the Beatles
> (wheras, say, John Lennon's solo stuff generally doesn't feel really
> that "Beatley" to me). _Spectres_ sounds a lot different from _BOC_ to
> me, but still like "BOC". _Club Ninja_, erm, doesn't, for some reason.
> I was, however, willing to believe in _Imaginos_ as a "return to form"
> (though it sounds little like other BOC albums) until I learned it was
> nothing of the sort ;) Still cool, though :)
Motorhead will always sound like Motorhead as long as Lemmy plays
a Rickenbacker that fast :-) I reckon _Club Ninja_ fits my BOC template
personally, it's just not very good, but it sounds more like a BOC record
to me than _Mirrors_ and tRbN do in some ways. The latter is good and
heavy on the lurking menace though which is what saves it for me.
The only time I've really felt a BOC record entirely lacked that
excitement was _Curse of the Hidden Mirror_, and after that it was quite
hard to find in _Long Day's Night_ too. And it looks sadly as if in that
respect LDN is just capturing the current live show accurately... Yours,
Jon
ObMP3: ICU - `Hurricane Fighter Plane'
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 09:42:11 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:42:11 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <41471CBE.5040000@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.144211.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, John Swartz wrote:
> The fact that "You'e Not the One" is a BOC song, now that we know "the
> rest of the story"...well, I for one think that's great. A real Spinal
> Tap moment for sure. The drummer goes off and writes a stupid song
> about the producer (ripping off another song in the process), and the
> producer puts it on the album! How cool is that?
Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie
Denise' in my book :-) You know? To get one joke song on an album by
mistake is unfortunate; to get two on records begins to look like
carelessness... :-) Yours,
Jon
ObLP: Iggy & the Stooges - _Raw Power_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 10:01:18 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:01:18 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world"
In-Reply-To: <1095185745.41473551a3944@www.webmail.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.150118.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Jason M. Scruton wrote:
> Chart burning (with rock and roll) aside, it'll bever be
> re-established in the old mold even if Miranda and (insert new drummer's name
> here...or at least the name of a drummer who sticks around for more than tour
> obligation purposes) go "hi, don and eric. let's jam and find our sound." One
> of the things that contributed to the "classic" sound is born out of the
> "bandhouse"/SFG jamming telepathy methinks.
I admit to kind of hoping, although I thought Danny was a fabulous
bassist in his own right, that the new one will be slightly more
metallised than Danny is. I don't hold out much hope of the sound changing
dramatically for the new rhythm section because ultimately it will remain
Buck, Eric and Allen (in about that order?) setting the pace, but when
push comes to shove Danny's virtuosity, welcome though it be, seemed to
drive less than, for example, Jon Rogers's simpler playing. I don't mean
that the tendency I've mentioned for the band to become, don't know,
softer and more comfortable, is actually down to Danny, but I can't help
thinking that a change of bassist and possibly also drummer might be one
way of halting or reversing it.
You know? Bring back the raw edge!
I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But
as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still, I'm
not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another
_Cultosaurus Erectus_... This does rather assume that we get another album
at all, but again in that respect, if stagnation has set in, change has to
be a first step towards solving that problem.
> Sadly, I don't get the sense that the weight of the band's past catalog will let
> them go far afield from what's comfortable, except for the inclusion of Allen's
> jamming in Last Days of May and the drum/bass solo in Godzilla.
We surely can't be the only fans thinking that's been there too
long by now; I'm amazed it continues.
> I don't know if eric is capable of evil freaking without lyrics referring to a
> biker/convict/stranger out for revenge.
Of course, we who think we could do better could always fling
lyrics at them ourselves. I've got this sub-Clutch set I've been working
on for ages now with no real will because they'll never be as good as whom
I'm trying to rip off :-) If they'd be any good to BOC, I bet I can do
better than John Shirley :-) Though the issue did seem partly to be what
the band did to Shirley's original lyrics, as I remember. Ah well, never
that simple eh? Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 6 10:50:43 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:50:43 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410061449290.3958-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.155043.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 06/10/2004 15:01, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But
> as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still, I'm
> not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another
> _Cultosaurus Erectus_...
Well, I wouldn't mind the lyrical-musical vibe of _ST_ but maybe with
rather better production? I just can't get into the _thin_ sound of the
early albums (and its a testament to the actual material on them that I
still like them a lot :)
Which isn't to say that I think BOC should sound like Kyuss :) That
would be silly. BOC should sound solid and powerful; not too fuzzy and
_definitely_ not to _thin_! :)
Damn, they should get that guy who produced that Bruce Dickenson album,
Chemical Wedding, to produce! What was his name? Roy Z, I think ....
Great sound on that album.
> Of course, we who think we could do better could always fling
> lyrics at them ourselves. I've got this sub-Clutch set I've been working
> on for ages now with no real will because they'll never be as good as whom
> I'm trying to rip off :-) If they'd be any good to BOC, I bet I can do
> better than John Shirley :-) Though the issue did seem partly to be what
> the band did to Shirley's original lyrics, as I remember. Ah well, never
> that simple eh?
Thinking of Bruce D. plundering Blake, BOC could do worse than point
themselves back towards the likes of HP Lovecraft ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 6 16:19:25 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:19:25 -0400
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410061440280.3958-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.161925.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie
> Denise' in my book :-)
Debbie Denise isn't a joke. Sorry if you don't like it. :-(
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 16:52:59 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:52:59 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <04A2C0D2-17D5-11D9-B723-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.215259.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Albert Bouchard wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote:
>
> > Well... it's about as cool as when it happened with `Debbie
> > Denise' in my book :-)
>
> Debbie Denise isn't a joke. Sorry if you don't like it. :-(
I'm sorry Al! I've been having a search on the archives for where
on earth I got that idea and I can't find it. I remember, or seem to, a
post of yours about the song `Fire of Unknown Origin', and how it had been
meant to go on instead of `Debbie Denise' but the producer had vetoed
it. Because then you'd have been singing more songs on the album than
Eric? And yet they put one of yours on anyway...
Now I'm sure this post I remember was yours because I remember you
saying how frustrating that was after you'd put every piece of imaginative
expression you owned into those vocals. But I can't find hide nor hair of
such a post in the archives so maybe I dreamt it :-(
Anyay, somewhere in this mess I must have got the idea you weren't
terribly attached to `Debbie Denise' since you'd wanted a different song
on the album instead. But if I was wrong about that... and I discover
whilst *trying* to find that post that tBS do `Debbie Denise' live
occasionally... Ach. I made a mistake.
It's not my favourite BOC song but I've never programmed it out of
the CD. There are those I have. I'd rather have had that version of `Fire'
myself, but hey, I got it in the end :-) Still rather abashed, yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 6 21:19:39 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:19:39 -0400
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410062146430.18265-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.OCT.2004.211939.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> I'm sorry Al! I've been having a search on the archives for
> where
> on earth I got that idea and I can't find it. I remember, or seem to, a
> post of yours about the song `Fire of Unknown Origin', and how it had
> been
> meant to go on instead of `Debbie Denise' but the producer had vetoed
> it. Because then you'd have been singing more songs on the album than
> Eric? And yet they put one of yours on anyway...
Right story, wrong song. It was Tenderloin. I also think, though, that
Fire is a better song than DD. Neither Debbie Denise or Tenderloin were
very good live and it's easy to imagine a dramatic version of Fire that
would stoke the applause meters.
We did DD live in tBS but it didn't go over well either. Now that Ross
the Boss is in the band it's unlikely we will ever play it again.
We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to
let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a
major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. Any BOC-Lers in
the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in
Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the
website for details.
Al
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 7 04:36:09 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:36:09 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <F57E00BD-17FE-11D9-B723-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.093609.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 07/10/2004 02:19, Albert Bouchard wrote:
> We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to
> let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a
> major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us.
Ahhwooo! Sounds like fun :)
> Any BOC-Lers in
> the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in
> Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the
> website for details.
Hmmm, still a little out of striking distance at present, which is a
terrible shame! Ah well.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Oct 7 07:53:11 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:53:11 -0400
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <F57E00BD-17FE-11D9-B723-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from
ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:39PM -0400
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.075311.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:39PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote:
>
> We did DD live in tBS but it didn't go over well either. Now that Ross
> the Boss is in the band it's unlikely we will ever play it again.
> We've written so much new material over the summer and we are dying to
> let people hear that. Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a
> major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. Any BOC-Lers in
> the NY metro area might want to check out our gig next Friday in
> Montclair NJ where we're playing over half of the new album. See the
> website for details.
Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the
Boss... :)
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 7 08:52:21 2004
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:52:21 -0400
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <20041007075311.A27958@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.085221.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Stephen Swann wrote:
>
> Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the
> Boss... :)
When I saw them it was the most high-energy Surgeons show I'd seen in 7
years. Wait until you hear how they're attacking songs like Tattoo
Vampire and Operation Luv!
Brian
obCD> Box of Hammers
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Oct 7 13:38:08 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:08 -0500
Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.123808.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks,
If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win?
Thanks!
Arin
(still trying to find group rates on places.)
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From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Oct 7 14:02:21 2004
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:02:21 +0100
Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410071237010.26481@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.190221.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Arin,
Location I reckon for us - its's only for one night.
Thanks,
Mick
--- Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> If you had your choice between cost and location,
> which would win?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arin
> (still trying to find group rates on places.)
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From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Oct 7 19:54:44 2004
From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:54:44 -0600
Subject: rooms for xmas question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410071237010.26481@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.175444.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Arin,
Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also
in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography.
And thank you,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Arin Komins
Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question
Hi folks,
If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win?
Thanks!
Arin
(still trying to find group rates on places.)
From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:33:09 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:33:09 -0400
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <BA5038CC-185F-11D9-8CC8-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com>; from
blackblade@BHALLIGAN.COM on Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:52:21AM -0400
Message-ID: <THU.7.OCT.2004.223309.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:52:21AM -0400, Brian Halligan wrote:
> Stephen Swann wrote:
> >
> > Wheeeeeee! I am dying to catch the new lineup with Ross the
> > Boss... :)
>
> When I saw them it was the most high-energy Surgeons show I'd seen in 7
> years. Wait until you hear how they're attacking songs like Tattoo
> Vampire and Operation Luv!
When Al announced the new guitarist I, no shit, jumped out
of my chair and went bouncing around the room going Yes! Yes!
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Oct 8 03:54:58 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200
Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today.
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.095458.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Forwarded from another list.
Of course, I would recommend these guys strongly to anyone who likes
improvisational hypnotic rock...these guys 'blanga' in their own unique way.
Grakkl (FFA)
ObCD: KromLek - Collective Conscious
The next few days sees rare appearances by Finland's finest CIRCLE!
If you're a fan of prog rock, krautrock, trance rock, psychedelic
space rock - the CIRCLE experience is not to be missed...
CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004
8th BRISTOL The Croft (w/ Fuzz Against Junk)
9th LEEDS Holy Trinity Chruch, Boar Street (w/ Guapo, Jazzfinger,
LAKOM, etc)
10th NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE The Cluny (w/ :ultralyd / Jazzfinger Sound
System)
11th EDINBURGH Studio 24 (w/ Moniak)
12th NOTTINGHAM Rescue Rooms (w/ Oxes)
13th LIVERPOOL Heven And Hell Club, Fleet Street
14th EXETER Three Fat Fish
15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!)
16th BRIGHTON The Engine Room (w/ Raised By Wolves /
Charlottefield / Southall Riot)
From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:55:06 2004
From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:55:06 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.135506.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome.
So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
Chris
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From personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM Fri Oct 8 10:22:28 2004
From: personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM (Colin Watt)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:22:28 -0400
Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.102228.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
guys,
has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if it
is happening ?
the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been
closed for months now...
I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but no
reply - help, please ?
cheers
Col
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 06:10:54 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:54 +0100
Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:08 -0500
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.111054.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Arin Komins writes:
> Hi folks,
>
> If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win?
Location for me I guess.
From gg at SIO4.COM Fri Oct 8 10:57:38 2004
From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:57:38 +0200
Subject: HW: Bedouin
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-DAV13YS0qPzg9u00004559@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.165738.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Chris Allen wrote:
> I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive
> that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid
> move on my part because it is awesome.
> So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
i don't know the song, I have only "Alan Davey - bedouin", bought at
the wacken open air festival... i've never found the cds online. Keep
an eye on play.com , sometimes they got some succulent CDs...
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 8 09:14:38 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:14:38 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world"
In-Reply-To: <002d01c49b46$de3ea540$0400000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.141438.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Tony wrote:
> Al and Neil Peart are the only two drummers whose drum solos I don't use
> for a "comfort" break!
Honourable mention for Jean-Paul Gaster from Clutch. All Clutch
songs should have a drum break in! Though I'm inclined otherwise to agree
with something I remember Larry Boyd saying about drum soloes, which was
to wonder why the band traditionally stops playing for these, when they
don't for any other instrument...
Otherwise... Well, Carl Palmer's soloes are something to *watch*,
but not really to listen to. I've never yet had the luck to be able to
catch a Bouchard drum solo but I can well imagine it'd be music all right,
which is where most seem to fall down to my ears. Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Hawkwind - _Out and Intake_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 8 11:33:36 2004
From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:33:36 +0100
Subject: Bedouin
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.163336.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
It is track 1 off (sadly missed) Bedouin's last album "As Above So Below"
which was available through their website http://www.bedouin.info/
if it's not mail me off list and i can perhaps help you out
cheers
Roger
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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: HW: Bedouin
I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for
some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part
because it is awesome.
So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
Chris
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From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 8 11:41:58 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0400
Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.114158.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi
I have no server records of emails from you at the address
wherever you mailed, it wasn't here !
Newcastle info will be up by Monday at the latest !
Hope that helps
Rik
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:22:28 -0400, Colin Watt <personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM> wrote:
>guys,
>has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if it
>is happening ?
>
>the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been
>closed for months now...
>
>I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but no
>reply - help, please ?
>
>cheers
>Col
From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 8 11:43:43 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:43:43 -0400
Subject: HW: Bedouin
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.114343.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi
Why not check out our www.bedouin.info site?
Rik
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:55:06 +0100, Chris Allen <beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my
part because it is awesome.
>So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
>
>Chris
>
>
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From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 8 12:09:05 2004
From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:09:05 -0400
Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today.
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.120905.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200, Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
wrote:
>CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004
>15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!)
Circle, Guapo, and Sunroof!. What an incredible lineup. I suspect that if
you go in cold, Circle and Sunroof! might not immediately click, depending
on what vein Circle is currently mining, and depending on how your eardrums
can handle high-decibal ringing drone. And how Guapo sounds might depend a
lot on whether they're playing as a duo or a trio. But boy would I love to
hear this show.
Stephan
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:14:57 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:14:57 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-DAV13YS0qPzg9u00004559@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.151457.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote:
> I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my part because it is awesome.
> So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty cool.
There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy
the album <http://www.bedouin.info/sales.htm>, though it hasn't been
updated since 2002 ....
Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even
Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a
US reseller!).
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:40:04 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:40:04 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
In-Reply-To: <4166A679.8080509@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.154004.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/10/2004 15:38, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> Oh, looks like Freak Emporium has some. Go to
> <http://www.freakemporium.com/new3/index.cgi?location=sale.cgi> and
> scroll down to Bedouin.
Ah, sorry false alarm! They have Alan's solo album titled _Bedouin_
(which, frankly, isn't as good).
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 10:38:49 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:38:49 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-DAV13YS0qPzg9u00004559@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.153849.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote:
> So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't Amazon?
Oh, looks like Freak Emporium has some. Go to
<http://www.freakemporium.com/new3/index.cgi?location=sale.cgi> and
scroll down to Bedouin.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 8 04:12:21 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:12:21 +0100
Subject: rooms for xmas question
In-Reply-To: <SERVERlffbfB2hIx55A000001d0@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.091221.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/10/2004 00:54, Mark Licht wrote:
> Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also
> in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography.
Not really. It's only an hour by train between Cambridge and London,
but you'd have a tough time getting a London train at the time of night
that a gig (even a Cambridge gig) was finishing. It's a scramble even
getting a post gig London>Cambridge train.
'Course, if you had rented a car or something you could try driving ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Oct 8 14:55:58 2004
From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:55:58 -0700
Subject: HW: my Hawkwind radio show playlist
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.115558.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Boc-L
Recordings of my Norwegian radio broadcasts of Hawkwind and related
spacerock specials on RadioRakel and Topp Radio are now availible on CDR
for trade - please specify, some broadcasts are not yet availible as they
have to be transferred somehow from videotape! Thanks!
http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/playlist.html
From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Oct 8 14:39:05 2004
From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:39:05 -0700
Subject: HW: is anyone still listening? who invented the spacerock riff?
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.113905.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
One may make claim to saying Dave Brock as a gentleman or as a criminal
mind after Syd Barrett. One could also say a Bob Calvert was great man with
Orgones, or that there was an assault and battery for a battery hen. As a
pensioned spacerocker/spacerock head on welfare I make cliams to have
invented the spacerock riff on welfare, baddoumbaddoum baddoum.. rumbliy
bass, to quote Here And Now "A Flaming Lance Shining Like A Beacon" or that
Daevid Allen invented the Glorious Om Riff with Steve Hillage, though they
were "inverted". Is anyone still listening to me? X-Ray Spex "Germ Free
Adolescents" - Great Spacerock. Michael Moorcock-Jerusalem Commands - Four
Minute Warning! +++In Your Area (a CD I once had in my proud posession with
over 70 other Hawkwind CD's) - By the way, this list is full of jukes!!!
regards,
still in psychiatric prison for criminal minds,
Chr. aka Blockbuster (who fell from the Stars and went on a Rampage)
"have you ever spent the night in jail, well I have!"
-The Standells
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:01:15 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:01:15 -0500
Subject: rooms for xmas question
In-Reply-To: <SERVERlffbfB2hIx55A000001d0@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.120115.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Exeter is about 3 hours by rail from London, cambridge is slightly nearer,
about 1 hour by rail from London.
We will be at both those gigs. Currently we have tickets for Telford,
Cambridge, and Exeter, we will also be at London and Swindon (though the tix
aren't on sale yet)
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:55 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: rooms for xmas question
Hey Arin,
Cost wins. Are the Exeter and Cambridge venues, the previous evenings, also
in the greater London area? Pardon my ignorance of local geography.
And thank you,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Arin Komins
Subject: HW: rooms for xmas question
Hi folks,
If you had your choice between cost and location, which would win?
Thanks!
Arin
(still trying to find group rates on places.)
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:16:30 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:16:30 -0500
Subject: HW: Swindon Tickets
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004100810222892@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.121630.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Heads up Swindon gig tickets are now on sale via the Oasis Box Office:
http://www.swindon.gov.uk/sbc-thedomeseries-lnk
Rich
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 8 13:20:36 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:20:36 -0500
Subject: HW: (the former) Newcastle Opera House
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004100810222892@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.122036.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Heres what happened to the venue, it's now under new management, with a new
name and re-opens on October 17th.
http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0300entertainment/0600theatre/tm_objectid=
14669987&method=full&siteid=50081&headline=spotlights-back-on-at-tyne-name_p
age.html
Rich
From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Fri Oct 8 15:29:34 2004
From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:29:34 -0400
Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?TU9UT1JIRUFEOiAgRnJvbSB0aGUgbW91dGhzIG9mIGJhYmVz?=
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.152934.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I couldn't make this up if I tried. . .
My 3-year-old daughter just heard Motorhead for the first time. . . (No, not on purpose. I'm not trying to indoctrinate her this young.)
The first thing she said upon hearing it was, "Dad, is that Cookie Monster singing?"
--Nick
From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Oct 8 15:33:57 2004
From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57 -0600
Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
In-Reply-To: <200410081929.i98JTYXC10373547@www1502.boca15-verio.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.133357.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> The first thing she said upon hearing it was, "Dad, is that Cookie Monster
> singing?"
and your answer?
Brad
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:41:40 2004
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:41:40 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into [3OC's] world"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410061449290.3958-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.204140.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
<< I know it won't be like the first three albums, of course not. But
as I said at the time we were all waiting for CotHM in Britain still,
I'm
not hoping for another _Secret Treaties_; but I wouldn't mind another
_Cultosaurus Erectus_... >>
I wouldn't mind another Club Ninja!
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:44:31 2004
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:44:31 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <F57E00BD-17FE-11D9-B723-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.204431.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
If I may just say - F***ING EXCELLENT. I cannot wait!!!! Please do a
tour in the UK. I know at least three people who will go....!;-)
<<...Those who have heard the demos agree that it is a
major change of direction (much, much heavier) for us. >>>
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 8 15:45:42 2004
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:45:42 +0100
Subject: Newcastle Opera House
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004100810222892@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.OCT.2004.204542.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I thought the Opera House had closed down? Maybe that's just a poor
rumour.
T
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]
On Behalf Of Colin Watt
Sent: 08 October 2004 15:22
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House
guys,
has anyone managed to find out how to get tickets for this gig ? or if
it
is happening ?
the number on MC is unobtainable, not surprising as the venue has been
closed for months now...
I've emailed MC twice to ask how to contact the venue / get tickets but
no
reply - help, please ?
cheers
Col
From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Oct 8 20:23:06 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:23:06 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.012306.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves as we
speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and I'll
give you full details.
Andy G
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
> On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote:
> > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that
for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my
part because it is awesome.
> > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't
Amazon?
>
> The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty cool.
>
> There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy
> the album <http://www.bedouin.info/sales.htm>, though it hasn't been
> updated since 2002 ....
>
> Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even
> Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a
> US reseller!).
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Oct 9 11:12:00 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:12:00 -0500
Subject: (the former) Newcastle Opera House
In-Reply-To: <GBECKJOIGBIGCHCKCNPIMEAOCNAA.cosmicdolphin@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.101200.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Excellent! we now have tickets for all the December gigs (except Newcastle)
Rich
From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Oct 9 11:28:25 2004
From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:28:25 -0500
Subject: Nik's US tour
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.102825.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any
reports from other shows?
John Majka
jmajk at indy.rr.com
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Oct 9 11:35:43 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:35:43 -0400
Subject: Nik's US tour
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.113543.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi John, I'll be going to the Cleveland gig tonight. I can let you know tomorrow. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: John Majka <jmajk at INDY.RR.COM>
> Date: 2004/10/09 Sat AM 11:28:25 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Nik's US tour
>
> So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any
> reports from other shows?
> John Majka
> jmajk at indy.rr.com
>
From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Oct 9 12:07:11 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:07:11 -0400
Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.120711.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ +
'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control:
www.hawkwind.com
+ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ +
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 12:41:40 2004
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:41:40 EDT
Subject: Nik's US tour
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.124140.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Jon,
I saw 3 Nik shows this tour. The 1st in NYC i'd rank a 7.5..short show kind
of disjointed. The 2nd in Philly and 8.5, disjointed in spots but great venue
and lightshow. The 3rd in NJ a 9.1..the band has completely gelled, it is a
much different band than the one I first saw in NYC a few nights before, very
tight, very heavy!. Excellent show even if the venue was a bit small. This one
ranks with the Hawks!
DO NOT MISS THIS TOUR!!!!! YOU ARE IN FOR A BIG SURPRISE!!
Best regards,
Bill Stewart
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:13:10 2004
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:13:10 EDT
Subject: NEW HAWKWIND BOOK
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.131310.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
As and extra bonus to attending the nik shows, one can purchase the EXCELLENT
new book by our very own Ian Abrahams. I was not going to buy it, considering
I have read just about everthing on the Hawks in the last 30 years, including
the difinitive 'Do Not Panic' by Kris Tait. A friend picked it up for me as a
birthday present at one of Nik's gigs. Well guess what?...I knew shit!. This
one is chocked with new info i'd never heard anywhere before and it is
extremely well written..I'm on my 3rd read since last friday. The 'Afterward ' was
worth the price of the book and leaves the reader with a sense of sadness over
the riff between Nik and Dave but leaves little doubt on which side of the line
the author's feet are firmly planted.
Job well done!
Best regards,
Bill Stewart
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:21:19 2004
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:21:19 EDT
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.132119.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the
gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and Mike. And
also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an excellent
slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin!
Best regards,
Bill Stewart
From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 9 13:37:14 2004
From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:37:14 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.183714.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Believe it or not, rather than go to the bank and ask for a chequebook, I
did a wee Google search and found it on the CD Services site. I recognised
the name of the site and bought the CD. I was actually just about to post
saying "here, doesn't someone on this list run CD Services?"...
Funny how things go, innit?
C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyberkrel" <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
> We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves as
we
> speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and I'll
> give you full details.
> Andy G
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
>
>
> > On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote:
> > > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive that
> for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on my
> part because it is awesome.
> > > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't
> Amazon?
> >
> > The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty
cool.
> >
> > There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy
> > the album <http://www.bedouin.info/sales.htm>, though it hasn't been
> > updated since 2002 ....
> >
> > Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even
> > Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by a
> > US reseller!).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Carl
> >
> > --
> > Carl Edlund Anderson
> > http://www.carlaz.com/
>
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From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 17:35:21 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:35:21 +0100
Subject: HW: Bedouin
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.223521.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Nice one - but one thing - I don't RUN CD Services, or more the point (I
presume you meant) I don't own CD Services - I merely work for them - it may
LOOK as tho' I run it (lol) but that's what ya get for having pride in yer
work, I guess.
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Allen <beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
> Believe it or not, rather than go to the bank and ask for a chequebook, I
> did a wee Google search and found it on the CD Services site. I
recognised
> the name of the site and bought the CD. I was actually just about to post
> saying "here, doesn't someone on this list run CD Services?"...
> Funny how things go, innit?
>
> C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cyberkrel" <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
>
>
> > We have seven copies of "As Above So Below" on the CD Services shelves
as
> we
> > speak. E mail me at agcdser at aol.com if you would like to buy one and
I'll
> > give you full details.
> > Andy G
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin
> >
> >
> > > On 08/10/2004 13:55, Chris Allen wrote:
> > > > I've just found an MP3 of Bedouin's Vision Quest on my hard drive
that
> > for some reason I'd never listened to. This was a very stupid move on
my
> > part because it is awesome.
> > > > So. What album is it from and where online can I buy it that isn't
> > Amazon?
> > >
> > > The album is _As Above So Below_ by Bedouin (natch), and it's pretty
> cool.
> > >
> > > There is still a band site online from which it is claimed you can buy
> > > the album <http://www.bedouin.info/sales.htm>, though it hasn't been
> > > updated since 2002 ....
> > >
> > > Best bet might be to Google about for someone selling it. Even
> > > Amazon.co.uk has only one copy on offer at present (and being sold by
a
> > > US reseller!).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carl Edlund Anderson
> > > http://www.carlaz.com/
> >
>
>
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From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 17:43:35 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:43:35 +0100
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.224335.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last
track is still to die for.
But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And
noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have
you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!!
Andy G (mix of humour and request)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Stewartbas at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the
> gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and
Mike. And
> also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an
excellent
> slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin!
>
> Best regards,
> Bill Stewart
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Oct 9 17:48:10 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:48:10 -0400
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.174810.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: Cyberkrel <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
> Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
>
> Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last
> track is still to die for.
> But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it? And
> noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this - have
> you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!!
> Andy G (mix of humour and request)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Stewartbas at AOL.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM
> Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
>
>
> > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make the
> > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and
> Mike. And
> > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an
> excellent
> > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bill Stewart
>
From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 21:25:14 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:25:14 +0100
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.022514.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks alot - that's real good of you.
Have a good one,
Andy Garibaldi (Dead Earnest/CD Services)
www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you.
Cheers Stephe
> >
> > From: Cyberkrel <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
> > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> > Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> >
> > Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last
> > track is still to die for.
> > But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it?
And
> > noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this -
have
> > you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!!
> > Andy G (mix of humour and request)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Stewartbas at AOL.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM
> > Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> >
> >
> > > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make
the
> > > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and
> > Mike. And
> > > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an
> > excellent
> > > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bill Stewart
> >
From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Oct 9 21:27:44 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:27:44 +0100
Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.022744.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
ooops - that should have gone privately - ah wot the heck, it's 2.25am and
I'm tired - altho tomorrow night it's off to see Wildhouse in concert up
here (like a cross between Can, Velevet Underground and psych jamming -
awesome band).
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> Hi Andy, I'll be seeing them tonight. I'll tell them to contact you.
Cheers Stephe
> >
> > From: Cyberkrel <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
> > Date: 2004/10/09 Sat PM 05:43:35 EDT
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> > Subject: Re: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> >
> > Yes - Space Mirrors CD is really causing heads to turn now and that last
> > track is still to die for.
> > But what's this I hear? A Spaceseed CD? And noone's told me about it?
And
> > noone's offered it to me for sale? Come on now whoever's behind this -
have
> > you forgotten something? Yes, I am here!!
> > Andy G (mix of humour and request)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Stewartbas at AOL.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:21 PM
> > Subject: SPACE MIRRORS & FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST
> >
> >
> > > Also on sale at the Nik gigs and CD Services for those who can't make
the
> > > gigs is the VERY EXCELLENT -SPACE MIRRORS- by our very own Allisa and
> > Mike. And
> > > also FUTURE CITIES OF THE PAST by Spaceseed(with Nik). Both are an
> > excellent
> > > slice of true spacerock. great stuff guys, keep it comin!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bill Stewart
> >
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Oct 9 21:26:02 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:26:02 -0500
Subject: Nik's US tour
In-Reply-To: <000701c4ae14$9ece36b0$6701a8c0@MAJKA>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.OCT.2004.202602.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, John Majka wrote:
:Subject: Nik's US tour
:
:So is anyone else going to see Nik at JJ Kelley's tomorrow night? Any
:reports from other shows?
I don't think we are going to go, but for anyone who is going....the
Chicago marathon is on tomorrow, so traffic to/from Chicago could be
impacted. Just keep it in mind for your travel plans.
Thanks,
Arin
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From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 10 07:54:53 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:54:53 -0400
Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.075453.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Folks, What an amazing evening. Great to see some old friends and meet some new ones. I was looking forward to seeing this show for quite some time. I have no idea who the opening act were. Pretty good space rock jam type band.
Harvey was up next. The 1st song, I have no idea what it was called. He did Dreamworker, It could be day, Smart pills in the DNA lounge and a newer one I don't know the title to. Harvey just keeps getting better and better in my opinion. All this soaked with the images from the solar fire light show. They got some new lights and put on an amazing light show. Can't wait to see them again at Halloween.
Up next was Nik and Spaceseed. The setlist for them was posted in the review of the NY gig I believe. These guys were tight. They made the band he played with in 2001 look like amateurs. Spaceseed has a great stage presence. I'd like to see them again on their own.
Anyone who is thinking of going to the gig in Chicago tonight, do so. It will be an amazing time.
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Oct 10 09:11:25 2004
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:11:25 EDT
Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.091125.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 10/10/2004 7:55:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes:
Which song was the highlight? Did Nik do Communique?
Bill
From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Oct 10 09:39:06 2004
From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:39:06 -0400
Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBNT1RPUkhFQUQ6ICBGcm9tIHRoZSBtb3V0aHMgb2YgYmFiZXM=?=
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.093906.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep listening, which would have resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying some things that Cookie Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the Children's Television Workshop cameras are rolling.
Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as well.
--Nick
>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: dahl at AROS.NET
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57
>
>> The first thing she said upon hearing it was,
>"Dad, is that Cookie Monster
>> singing?"
>
>and your answer?
>
>
>Brad
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 10 12:30:38 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:30:38 -0400
Subject: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.123038.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I'd have to say Orgone Accumulator. As far as Communique I don't think so. There were a couple of version that were strange. Like You shouldn't do that. It was a good, but different than how I've ever heard it done. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM
> Date: 2004/10/10 Sun AM 09:11:25 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: Nik/Harvey/Spaceseed in Cleveland
>
> In a message dated 10/10/2004 7:55:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes:
>
> Which song was the highlight? Did Nik do Communique?
>
> Bill
>
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 10 19:31:56 2004
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:31:56 EDT
Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
Message-ID: <SUN.10.OCT.2004.193156.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 10/10/04 15:49:39 GMT Daylight Time,
nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes:
> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as
> well.
>
I certainly did. So did everyone else I told.
Thanks for that one.
Are you taking her to see Motorhead? Give her some cookies to throw at Lemmy.
Steve.
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 03:20:33 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:50:33 +0930
Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.165033.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
and you don't want to lie to your kids either :)
----- Original Message -----
From: <nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:09 PM
Subject: RE: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
> Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep listening, which would have
> resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying some things that Cookie
> Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the Children's Television
> Workshop cameras are rolling.
>
> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as
> well.
>
>
> --Nick
>
>>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>From: dahl at AROS.NET
>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>>Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57
>>
>>> The first thing she said upon hearing it was,
>>"Dad, is that Cookie Monster
>>> singing?"
>>
>>and your answer?
>>
>>
>>Brad
>
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 03:23:48 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:53:48 +0930
Subject: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.165348.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
hash cookie monster perhaps
----- Original Message -----
From: <GutterCat at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of babes
> In a message dated 10/10/04 15:49:39 GMT Daylight Time,
> nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes:
>
>> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I figured some of you would as
>> well.
>>
>
> I certainly did. So did everyone else I told.
> Thanks for that one.
>
> Are you taking her to see Motorhead? Give her some cookies to throw at
> Lemmy.
>
> Steve.
>
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 11 05:47:14 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:47:14 +0200
Subject: HW: Cambridge venue
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.114714.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Folks...
I'm still trying to decide about what weekend to come to the UK. The
"change" in plan to make the Xmas show again in London, as opposed to the
Exeter gig the night before, makes the 'second' weekend perhaps more
enticing now. However, I didn't much care for the Astoria's acoustics last
year, and figure that nothing much has changed in the last 12 months on that
account. But, if it will indeed be the show with some surprise guests
and/or extra encore tracks, or even the pre-/post-game festivities as in
year's past, it might still be a worthwhile experience. So...as one gig
(especially in an murky echo chamber) is never enough from one HW tour, I
would think about the Cambridge show on the 17th as well. Exeter is kind of
far to travel out and back, you know. And so I had a look just now online
to see about this so-called "Corn Exchange". (Is this name the subject of
some sort of local joke these days? Or am I the only one who thinks such
awful thoughts?)
Anyway, this place looks really cool...photo-wise I mean. And although I
would prefer a place where one has the option of either standing *or*
sitting (and this place seems to be 100% seating?), I would be willing to
"sit" through a Hawkwind show to have a really excellent view and great
sound. Given that the Astoria show will be the exact opposite.
And plus....read what they put in the "Wir ueber uns" bit!
----------------------------------------------------------
Situated in the heart of the historic university city of Cambridge, the Corn
Exchange is an impressive example of Victorian architecture, combined with
21st Century technology and full disabled access.
One of the leading concert venues of the UK, the venue offers above all S P
A C E in the heart of the city - space which is flexible, well serviced and
expertly staffed and is large enough to cater up to thirteen hundred
delegates.
-----------------------------------------------------------
offers *ABOVE ALL* SPACE!!! Can't get much better than that!
So...as Cambridge could also potentially become my next home (sad, but
true), I might also want to check out the area in advance.
So, Arin...that means I might be a participant in the 'hotel search' plan.
Put me in the "cheap" category! :) Actually, I'll pay anything to avoid
that nonsense of two years ago of taking the trip back to Gatwick at 4 AM in
the morning completely off my ass. I have to shed some of my 'Geizhals'
ways.
Grakkl (FAA)
ObCD: Pothead - Live in Berlin
P.S. Why do they make it so hard to go from Luton to Cambridge (and vice
versa) by train? They've got these two parallel lines very close to
together going north (from what I remember) and no easy way to switch over
without going all the way into King's Cross and back out. And the airport
bus (I think) only runs every two hours, which (because it's going to an
AIRPORT, with flights rather more often than just every two stinking hours)
makes it almost entirely useless. Anyway....
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 11 06:01:14 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:01:14 +0100
Subject: HW: Cambridge venue
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC09D980AA@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.110114.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11/10/2004 10:47, Henderson Keith wrote:
> And so I had a look just now online
> to see about this so-called "Corn Exchange". (Is this name the subject of
> some sort of local joke these days? Or am I the only one who thinks such
> awful thoughts?)
> Anyway, this place looks really cool...photo-wise I mean. And although I
> would prefer a place where one has the option of either standing *or*
> sitting (and this place seems to be 100% seating?), I would be willing to
> "sit" through a Hawkwind show to have a really excellent view and great
> sound. Given that the Astoria show will be the exact opposite.
The Cambridge Corn Exchange is a bit of a barn, really (it being where
corn used to be bought and sold), but we ain't got no better here! The
put out plastic stacking chairs on the main floor for shows where they
expect the audience to creak into their chairs, but clear the floor for
standing otherwise; I'm guessing HW's audience still rate a standing
show, but I suppose I could be wrong :) I think the seats in the
balcony are permanent, but I've actually never been up there ....
So, in short, the Cambridge Corn Exchange ain't got the greatest
acoustics in the world, and the seating comes and goes at the whim of
the venue, but it is much closer and cheaper to get to than London (for
me)! It does the job.
> P.S. Why do they make it so hard to go from Luton to Cambridge (and vice
> versa) by train? They've got these two parallel lines very close to
> together going north (from what I remember) and no easy way to switch over
> without going all the way into King's Cross and back out. And the airport
> bus (I think) only runs every two hours, which (because it's going to an
> AIRPORT, with flights rather more often than just every two stinking hours)
> makes it almost entirely useless. Anyway....
Because, by European standards, the UK's transport network (I use the
term loosely) sucks. And I assume that some directive has been issued
somewhere that states that this suckiness must be maintained and
expanded at the greatest cost possible, since only this can explain the
current state of affairs adequately. Ah well.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 11 06:07:52 2004
From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:07:52 -0400
Subject: OFF: Circle tour of UK begins today.
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.060752.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
At last...Circle headlining and doing their own tour. I've only ever seen
them as a support band. I think I saw them at the Spitz before which is
quite a small venue so it makes the gigs very intimate. I know the venue in
Liverpool to which is also quite small. Circle really are the best trance
rock band going. I hope to be at the London gig on Friday.
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:54:58 +0200, Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
wrote:
>Forwarded from another list.
>
>Of course, I would recommend these guys strongly to anyone who likes
>improvisational hypnotic rock...these guys 'blanga' in their own unique
way.
>
>Grakkl (FFA)
>
>ObCD: KromLek - Collective Conscious
>
>The next few days sees rare appearances by Finland's finest CIRCLE!
>If you're a fan of prog rock, krautrock, trance rock, psychedelic
>space rock - the CIRCLE experience is not to be missed...
>
>CIRCLE live in the UK October 2004
>
>8th BRISTOL The Croft (w/ Fuzz Against Junk)
>9th LEEDS Holy Trinity Chruch, Boar Street (w/ Guapo, Jazzfinger,
>LAKOM, etc)
>10th NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE The Cluny (w/ :ultralyd / Jazzfinger Sound
>System)
>11th EDINBURGH Studio 24 (w/ Moniak)
>12th NOTTINGHAM Rescue Rooms (w/ Oxes)
>13th LIVERPOOL Heven And Hell Club, Fleet Street
>14th EXETER Three Fat Fish
>15th LONDON The Spitz (w/ Guapo / Sunroof!)
>16th BRIGHTON The Engine Room (w/ Raised By Wolves /
>Charlottefield / Southall Riot)
From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 12:05:33 2004
From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:05:33 EDT
Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.120533.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I had a great time seeing Nik Turner and Spaceseed last week at two of their
gigs, and wanted to write a brief report. The first gig I caught was on
Saturday Oct.2 at the University of Pennsylvania. The Rotunda was a great venue for
this FREE show. It was a large room with a very high ceiling, and Scott from
The Solar Fire Lightshow used the full height of the wall behind the stage for
the lightshow. He had projectors at ground level and up in the balcony as
well. The light show was awesome. As I arrived Sub-primitive were just starting
their set. They played heavy space rock with a strong Chrome influence. As this
was the first time I'd seen them, I'm not sure who is in the regular line up,
but it seemed like they were joined by some guests, including Damon on
digideroo, and Nik Turner came on to jam for the end of their set. A very nice
performance from Bob Lennon and the guys. The only two numbers I recognized were
Brainstorm (without Nik), and the garage rock oddity Little Black Egg., but I
enjoyed the new tunes very much as well.
Next up were Cotton and Billawtwm and friends. This was a very intense set
spotlightling the synth playing of Cotton Casino, formerly of Acid Mothers
Temple, with Billawtwm on guitar, and a drum and bass rhythm section. Otherworldly,
intergalactic space rock, with heavy guitar rhythms, this stuff nearly took
the top of my head off in a good way.
After a short break it was time for Nik and Spaceseed. This was the first
time I got to see Spaceseed and I was really blown away. They definitely had
their Hawkwind music down. The set, was comprised entirely of Hawkwind material
from the seventies. Everybody in ?Spaceseed was fantastic . John Pack on guitar
and vocals, and John Stanton on bass were just great recreating the classic
Hawkwind sound. The band also featured the very strong stage prescence of two
wonderful female performers, Gal-Axy ?rockin' away on keyboards, and Cyndee Leee
Rule on violin. Rounding out the group[ were The Subliminator on synths and
subliminal and liminal vocals, and a fine drummer whose name I unfortunately
did not catch. The set was, more or less, from memory:
Spaceseed opened with one of their tunes
Nik's introduction
The Right Stuff
Soni Attack
Ejection
Children of the Sun
The Awakening
Orgone Accumulator
D-Rider
Welcome To The Future
You Shouldn't Do That/ Opa-Loka
Brainstorm
Masters of the Universe
Silver Machine
Everything was played really well, and Nik did an audience sing along of
Bones of Elvis to cap it off. Also, Chef Jeff provideed a wonderful spread of
salads, pastas, and other snacks, so thanks to him for that. Great to see Bob
Lennon, Bill and Beverly Stewart, Damon and Diane, and others ?I'm bound to have
forgotten. I also got to pick up Ian Abrahams new Hawkwind book which was
available at the gig, as well as the Nik and Spaceseed CD Future Cities of the
Past. The CD is truly great as well, and features all new originals, good strong
tunes in a space rock vein. Nik contrubutes sax to most of the tracks, and does
a spoken word vocal on the final track. I highly recommend this. It's the
best new spacerock CD since Litmus's You Are Here CD. I also got new stuff from
Cotton Casino, who had many CD's on offer at the show as well.
The other gig was at The Court Tavern in New Jersey clsoe to the Rutgers
University campus, really making this feel like a university tour for me. This was
on Weds. Oct. 5. I got completely lost on the way there, (what do New Yorkers
know about New Jersey), and misssed the Cosmic Brotherhood of Ra. I'm sure
they were very good, as everyone gave me a good report, and they performed High
Rise with Nik as a guest. I did get their 3 song EP and loved it, so I feel
extra bad I didn't make it on time for them. I did get to see The One Eyed
Bishops featuring Mike Burro of Sloterdijk fame. I enjoyed their set. I would put
them more in the garage rock or rockin' blues band category, than space rock.
Their version of Smokestack Lightening with Stewkey from the old band The Nazz
on vocals evoked the Yardbirds sound for me. The highlight of their set was a
version of Hurry On Sundown with Nik Turner guesting.
Nik and Spaceseed were even hotter and tighter this night than at the othere
gig I saw. They didn't get on until close to one AM, and the versions of some
of the songs were a bit less jammed out than in Philly. The set list was the
same except that they added the song Communique (off the Prophets of Time CD)
into the set. This was played just before You Shouldn't Do That, I believe, and
was a really excellent surprise addition. I don't think I've seen Nik do this
one live before. Orgone Accumulator, Opa-Loka, and Silver Machine were all
especially fantastic at this gig.
I just want to close by thanking Bob Lennon and Mike Burro for their
excellent support slots. Big thanks to Scott from Solar Fire, for the awesome light
show, for driving the bus, for bringing live space rock to America yet again.
Huge thanks to the lads and lasses of Spaceseed. What can I say. I had no idea.
You folks rule. You may yet save space rock in America. And thanks to Nik.
Thanks for keeping the spirit alive in the U.S. Thanks for coming and come back
soon.
Peace out, everybody, Eli Friedman
From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Oct 11 12:53:04 2004
From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:53:04 -0400
Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBNT1RPUkhFQUQ6ICBGcm9tIHRoZSBtb3V0aHMgb2YgYmFiZXM=?=
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.125304.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Never understimate lying as an important parental tool!
--Nick
>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>Sent: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:50:33
>
>and you don't want to lie to your kids either :)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:09 PM
>Subject: RE: Re: MOTORHEAD: From the mouths of
>babes
>
>
>> Well, If I said yes, she'd have wanted to keep
>listening, which would have
>> resulted in her hearing Cookie Monster saying
>some things that Cookie
>> Monster just doesn't say. At least not when the
>Children's Television
>> Workshop cameras are rolling.
>>
>> Got a good laugh out of it, though. And I
>figured some of you would as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> --Nick
>>
>>>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>>From: dahl at AROS.NET
>>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>>>Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:33:57
>>>
>>>> The first thing she said upon hearing it was,
>>>"Dad, is that Cookie Monster
>>>> singing?"
>>>
>>>and your answer?
>>>
>>>
>>>Brad
>>
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 11 13:11:14 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.191114.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Folks...
I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but
just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion
about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online.
I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I
might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the
discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus
it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people
love it, right?)
Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out Here,
We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. the
studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set
yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the last
several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I guess
they weren't that important after all.
Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are
tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to
that, but...
Grakkl (FFA)
P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were
called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was happy
to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space
Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If they'd
been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool.
And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) Strange
Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration factor,
not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity
IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of
others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The
Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of them
were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon King
was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 13:18:35 2004
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:18:35 EDT
Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.131835.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 10/11/2004 12:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
EliPXR5 at AOL.COM writes:
<<<<<Spaceseed opened with one of their tunes>>>
The Heat Worshipping Space Zombies (instrumental version)*** from Future
Cities of the Past PT1, would be the tune.
B
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 13:54:18 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:54:18 -0500
Subject: New album...
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC09D980AD@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.125418.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hola Keith..
Tickets are on sale for Cambridge and London, (as well as Swindon, Exeter,
and Telford)
http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/cgi/asp_events/perfname.asp?searchname=Hawkwin
d&vaxname=UK2&venuenum=28&category=Music
(Ticketmaster link for the Astoria Tickets)
http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=CAMBRIDGECORNEX&organ_
val=3517&schedule=list&pid=5357419
(Cambridge Corn Exchange Box Office)
Rich
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 11 13:57:30 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:57:30 -0500
Subject: HW: New album...
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC09D980AD@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.125730.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Henderson Keith wrote:
:Subject: HW: New album...
:
:Hey Folks...
:
:I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but
:just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion
:about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online.
:I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I
:might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the
:discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus
:it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people
:love it, right?)
That's seems to be about accurate ;-)
[snip]
:Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are
:tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to
:that, but...
[snip]
Yes, tickets are on sale for both venues. Shout out if you need the
appropriate URLs.
Thanks,
Arin
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From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 14:24:54 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:24:54 -0400
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.142454.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is much better.
Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here.
Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: HW: New album...
>
> Hey Folks...
>
> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views, but
> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion
> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted online.
> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought that I
> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following the
> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus
> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people
> love it, right?)
>
> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out Here,
> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp. the
> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set
> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
>
> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the last
> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I guess
> they weren't that important after all.
>
> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows. Are
> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer to
> that, but...
>
> Grakkl (FFA)
>
> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
>
> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were
> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was happy
> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space
> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If they'd
> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool.
> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor) Strange
> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration factor,
> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity
> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of
> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The
> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of them
> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon King
> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
>
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 15:20:42 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:50:42 +0930
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.045042.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you
cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at the
next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at the
next hawkfest. LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be
> done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
> The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is
> much better.
> Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band
> backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of
> Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like
> she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here.
> Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
> Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new
> cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
>>
>> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
>> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Subject: HW: New album...
>>
>> Hey Folks...
>>
>> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views,
>> but
>> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion
>> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted
>> online.
>> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought
>> that I
>> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following
>> the
>> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus
>> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people
>> love it, right?)
>>
>> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out
>> Here,
>> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp.
>> the
>> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set
>> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
>>
>> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the
>> last
>> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I
>> guess
>> they weren't that important after all.
>>
>> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows.
>> Are
>> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer
>> to
>> that, but...
>>
>> Grakkl (FFA)
>>
>> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
>>
>> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were
>> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was
>> happy
>> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space
>> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
>> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If
>> they'd
>> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool.
>> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor)
>> Strange
>> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration
>> factor,
>> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover
>> entity
>> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of
>> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The
>> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
>> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of
>> them
>> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
>> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon
>> King
>> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
>>
>
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 15:31:09 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:31:09 -0400
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.153109.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get any from me.
>
> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you
> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at the
> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at the
> next hawkfest. LOL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
>
> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be
> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group is
> > much better.
> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band
> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of
> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked like
> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here.
> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new
> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
> >>
> >> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> >> Subject: HW: New album...
> >>
> >> Hey Folks...
> >>
> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views,
> >> but
> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious discussion
> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted
> >> online.
> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought
> >> that I
> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following
> >> the
> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general consensus
> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the people
> >> love it, right?)
> >>
> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out
> >> Here,
> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like, esp.
> >> the
> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date set
> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
> >>
> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over the
> >> last
> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I
> >> guess
> >> they weren't that important after all.
> >>
> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London shows.
> >> Are
> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the answer
> >> to
> >> that, but...
> >>
> >> Grakkl (FFA)
> >>
> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
> >>
> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they were
> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was
> >> happy
> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the Space
> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If
> >> they'd
> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright cool.
> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor)
> >> Strange
> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration
> >> factor,
> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover
> >> entity
> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of
> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others). The
> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some of
> >> them
> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where Simon
> >> King
> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
> >>
> >
>
From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 11 15:36:19 2004
From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:36:19 -0600
Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004100912071162@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.133619.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music
links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
+ ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ +
'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control:
www.hawkwind.com
+ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ +
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 15:55:47 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:25:47 +0930
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.052547.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
:) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a
festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last
festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The food
was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food. I
can arrange my own mind food thank you very much.
Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy
> boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not
> bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that
> tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get
> any from me.
>>
>> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
>> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>>
>> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you
>> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at
>> the
>> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at
>> the
>> next hawkfest. LOL
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
>> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>>
>>
>> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be
>> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
>> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group
>> > is
>> > much better.
>> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band
>> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of
>> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked
>> > like
>> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here.
>> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
>> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a
>> > new
>> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
>> >>
>> >> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
>> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
>> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> >> Subject: HW: New album...
>> >>
>> >> Hey Folks...
>> >>
>> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views,
>> >> but
>> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious
>> >> discussion
>> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted
>> >> online.
>> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought
>> >> that I
>> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking
>> >> part/following
>> >> the
>> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general
>> >> consensus
>> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the
>> >> people
>> >> love it, right?)
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out
>> >> Here,
>> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like,
>> >> esp.
>> >> the
>> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date
>> >> set
>> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
>> >>
>> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over
>> >> the
>> >> last
>> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I
>> >> guess
>> >> they weren't that important after all.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London
>> >> shows.
>> >> Are
>> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the
>> >> answer
>> >> to
>> >> that, but...
>> >>
>> >> Grakkl (FFA)
>> >>
>> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
>> >>
>> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they
>> >> were
>> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was
>> >> happy
>> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the
>> >> Space
>> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
>> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If
>> >> they'd
>> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright
>> >> cool.
>> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor)
>> >> Strange
>> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration
>> >> factor,
>> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover
>> >> entity
>> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast
>> >> of
>> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others).
>> >> The
>> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
>> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some
>> >> of
>> >> them
>> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
>> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where
>> >> Simon
>> >> King
>> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Oct 11 16:21:05 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:21:05 -0400
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.162105.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
We should wait until after HW plays in case we get thrown out. :-) I don't eat fries actually. American food isn't even food. Its grease and feces. Ask Ronald Mcdonald. I agree with you there. Its nasty. Yogurt and sardines please. My fat is my investment in German breweries, not food. I really don't eat that much. Not like alot of my fellow country men and ladies. Cheers Stephe
>
> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:55:47 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
> :) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a
> festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last
> festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The food
> was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food. I
> can arrange my own mind food thank you very much.
> Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
>
> > Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your twiggy
> > boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not
> > bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that
> > tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna get
> > any from me.
> >>
> >> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT
> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> >>
> >> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like you
> >> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal at
> >> the
> >> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at
> >> the
> >> next hawkfest. LOL
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
> >> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it be
> >> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
> >> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This group
> >> > is
> >> > much better.
> >> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band
> >> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of
> >> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked
> >> > like
> >> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came here.
> >> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
> >> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a
> >> > new
> >> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
> >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
> >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> >> >> Subject: HW: New album...
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Folks...
> >> >>
> >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and views,
> >> >> but
> >> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious
> >> >> discussion
> >> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted
> >> >> online.
> >> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just thought
> >> >> that I
> >> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking
> >> >> part/following
> >> >> the
> >> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general
> >> >> consensus
> >> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the
> >> >> people
> >> >> love it, right?)
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and Out
> >> >> Here,
> >> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like,
> >> >> esp.
> >> >> the
> >> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date
> >> >> set
> >> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
> >> >>
> >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over
> >> >> the
> >> >> last
> >> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were. So I
> >> >> guess
> >> >> they weren't that important after all.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London
> >> >> shows.
> >> >> Are
> >> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the
> >> >> answer
> >> >> to
> >> >> that, but...
> >> >>
> >> >> Grakkl (FFA)
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
> >> >>
> >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they
> >> >> were
> >> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I was
> >> >> happy
> >> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the
> >> >> Space
> >> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
> >> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard. If
> >> >> they'd
> >> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright
> >> >> cool.
> >> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final (indoor)
> >> >> Strange
> >> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration
> >> >> factor,
> >> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind cover
> >> >> entity
> >> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast
> >> >> of
> >> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than others).
> >> >> The
> >> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions of a
> >> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs), some
> >> >> of
> >> >> them
> >> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who was
> >> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where
> >> >> Simon
> >> >> King
> >> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 11 17:09:24 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:09:24 +0100
Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
In-Reply-To: <SERVERPUeYI8odQgP5h000001e5@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.220924.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Mark
Its probably these messages, at least the first 2 anyway.
On the Ether......
LATEST STUFF: Gigs in Holland, Germany and (possibly) the USA are being
arranged for 2005 !!! Dave has done several interviews lately that will
appear in both print and on radio/TV. Full details of all publication and
transmission dates will be announced when known.
LATEST PRESS INCLUSION: The November 2004 issue of Classic Rock Magazine
contained a full page feature of the band (& colour pic of Stacia), and
reviews of Ian Abraham's 'Sonic Assassins' Book and the Newcastle DVD
release.
FORTHCOMING RELEASES: We will soon be releasing a single featuring Matthew
Wright, Lemmy, Arthur Brown and Lene Lovich..... HawkFest 2003 was also
recorded, and may also be released as a DVD in the near future ! Also being
released is compilation CD from Hawkfest 2002, as well as a compilation
album with other friends of HW........ Our gig at the Melkweg in Amsterdam
2003 was also recorded in 24 track, and could possibly make release at some
stage.....tune in here for updates
STUDIO ALBUM: Our new studio album has great new cover artwork by artist
Peter Pracownik, and features Lene Lovich, Matthew Wright & Arthur Brown.
Download audio clips from 'TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER' here: [link]
Cheers,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Mark Licht
Sent: 11 October 2004 20:36
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music
links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
+ ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ +
'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control:
www.hawkwind.com
+ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++ +
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 11 17:10:11 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:10:11 -0500
Subject: HW: New album...
In-Reply-To: <20041011202105.MMOF2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.161011.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Ok...taking bets.
Mushroom Man vs Bald Twig Boy ;-)
Seconds out round One!
From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Oct 11 20:00:48 2004
From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:00:48 +0100
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.010048.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Stephen - if you are in contact, be sure to tell Nucleon to send one
this way, OK.
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new
cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
> >
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 11 20:25:57 2004
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:25:57 -0400
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.202557.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200, Henderson Keith
<keith.henderson at PSI.CH> wrote:
>Hey Folks ... I just thought that I
>might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following
>the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general
>consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half
>the people love it, right?)
What about those of us who love half of it and hate half of it? ;^)
I can't say that I have any sort of overall opinion on it, since I've only
listened to the clips a few times, and anyway, they're only clips, so you
don't get a feel for the flow of the album, or even the full flow of the
individual songs (I note that they've done a good job of including both
verse/chorus and "break" sections in the clips, thanks to whoever made
those edits!).
I'll forego comments on the individual songs until I can hear 'em all the
way through, but I can come up with a number of general impressions.
First off, it's apparent that there's a lot of variety, any one song
sounds little like any other song (although they're all recognizably
Hawkwind). That's definitely a good thing in my book, and I think all the
best HW albums have been well-balanced (which may explain why I don't care
for IitBotFtbD, although my second-least-favorite HW album is fairly well
stylistically balanced, so what do I know?). Unfortunately, the one style
that doesn't seem to be represented is the straight ahead hard rock that's
always been an important part of the band's sound (and is certainly well-
represented in any of their live albums). One of the reasons I
like 'Distant Horizons' so much is *because* it rocked out more than any
HW studio album of the prior 10 years (and still had tracks like "Clouded
Vision" and the instrumental "Love In Space" for the all-important
balance - just as xISOS had "Wrong Step" and "Children of the Sun", HotMG
had "Web Weaver" and the title track, CotBS had ambient instrumentals
like "Shade Gate", etc. etc.). On TMTYL, the heaviest tracks seem to be
mid-tempo, or "anthemic", at best.
My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the lite-jazz Kenny G
sax (or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound brings to mind velour-leisure-
suited cocktail lounge musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of
music that Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death
Generator in 'Time Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if they'd put a
power ballad with that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes piano preset on CotBS (or if
Rudolph/Powell had successfully carried out their coup and made a
disco/funk/fusion HW album in '77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in
your rock band, it's *gotta* have balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it!
(Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.)
Arthur Brown sounds great on the tracks he's on. I realize I'm stating
the obvious when I mention how amazing his voice is, but he also brings a
much-needed sense of humor to the proceedings (since Harvey isn't
around). Unfortunately, his presence underscores the fact that none of
the other three have a particularly strong voice, which probably goes a
long way to indicate that it's probably for the best that he hasn't become
a permanent member. And, for many older HW tracks, his voice is probably
a bit much (but a rendition of, say, "Steppenwolf", would seem like a
winner to me).
Well ... while I'm on the subject of singers, I'll make my only comment
about a single track: Matthew Wright may have a good voice to be a talk
show host or tv personality (or whatever he is), but he does not have a
good voice to be a singer in a rock band!
Elsewhere in the clips, I hear some nice guitar leads & noodling that
sound like they're from Dave; if so, they don't sound like anything Huw
would/could have done any better, so I don't hear anything that would make
me miss his presence. I don't really hear anything to make me miss
Simon's presence, either, and I don't think he would have fit in well with
most of the songs. Which is too bad, as he's one instrumentalist who
always seems to have something to add on the live albums he's on (which I
find to be less-often true for, say, Harvey or Tim). Synth noises
throughout seem cool enough, but I'm positive that they'd be better if
Keith Kniveton had contributed. I didn't hear anything that would
recognizably Alan's Wavestation work, which I enjoy hearing in compact
doses (2-minute instrumental or break is great; 5-minute Wavestation
instrumental is way too long); maybe there's just nothing in the clips so
far ...
Now, how about some comments from someone who loves the half I hate and
hates the half I love ... ? :^)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Oct 11 22:31:32 2004
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:31:32 -0400
Subject: BOC: An auditioned excursion into 3OC world
In-Reply-To: <F14EBBB2-03A1-11D9-A9F8-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.OCT.2004.223132.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Drumming is something that is best not to obsess about once you figure
>out your part.
From the BOC site:
October 2, 2004
After holding auditions in New York, B?C has chosen to hire Jules Rodino to
fill the vacancy left by Bobby Rondinelli.Jules came recommended by former
B?C drummer, John Miceli, and was formerly one of his drum students.
---- I wonder what this guy will sound like. curiously, the drummer for
Bevis Frond is a Jules, too.
Jason
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Oct 11 23:33:09 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:03:09 +0930
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.130309.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hell yes. Its a long expensive trek to get there. Actually a few years ago
I was at 97 kilos - then I went overboard losing weight. Back to the fist
fight. America vs Australia. :) Maybe there could be a title belt - an
anual hawkwind festival fist fight event!! Sounds funny tho.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
> We should wait until after HW plays in case we get thrown out. :-) I don't
> eat fries actually. American food isn't even food. Its grease and feces.
> Ask Ronald Mcdonald. I agree with you there. Its nasty. Yogurt and
> sardines please. My fat is my investment in German breweries, not food. I
> really don't eat that much. Not like alot of my fellow country men and
> ladies. Cheers Stephe
>>
>> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
>> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:55:47 EDT
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>>
>> :) hhehe - cool sounds like fun. A good old fashioned fist fight at a
>> festival. But you will find that I'm not the twig I was at the last
>> festival. Maybe slightly bald-lier but back to my natural weight. The
>> food
>> was delicious - just not chock full of sugar and fat like american food.
>> I
>> can arrange my own mind food thank you very much.
>> Would you like fries with that? Enjoy your meal.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
>> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>>
>>
>> > Maybe I'll give you a knuckle sandwich. :-) Fat boy will crush your
>> > twiggy
>> > boy george crackhead body. Yes, Needs food. She has your body, but not
>> > bald. LOL!!!! There was no food at hawkfest. Are you refering to that
>> > tasteless veggie stuff? All I ate were mushrooms and you aren't gonna
>> > get
>> > any from me.
>> >>
>> >> From: "Muad'Dib" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
>> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 03:20:42 EDT
>> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>> >>
>> >> "skank girl" dancer? Needs food? Not everyone wants to be fat like
>> >> you
>> >> cheech. She looks fine... still - you could give her half your meal
>> >> at
>> >> the
>> >> next hawkfest??? mwa hawwr haaawwwwr - hell give me half your meal at
>> >> the
>> >> next hawkfest. LOL
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Stephe Lindas" <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
>> >> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:54 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Keith, How ya doing? I'm not going review the new one. How can it
>> >> > be
>> >> > done from samples? I'm sure most of us will buy it regardless.
>> >> > The HW yahoo group is crap anymore. Far too many off posts. This
>> >> > group
>> >> > is
>> >> > much better.
>> >> > Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore. The Band
>> >> > backing NIK at the Beachland were pretty bad. I didn't think Ass of
>> >> > Silence were very good. They had that skank girl dancing that looked
>> >> > like
>> >> > she needed some food. I probably wouldn't see them if they came
>> >> > here.
>> >> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
>> >> > Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing
>> >> > a
>> >> > new
>> >> > cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
>> >> >> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 01:11:14 EDT
>> >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> >> >> Subject: HW: New album...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hey Folks...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I had gone lax in checking the yahoo list for other HW news and
>> >> >> views,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> just browsed by there now. And they've had a fast and furious
>> >> >> discussion
>> >> >> about the new album (TMTYL), based on the track samples now posted
>> >> >> online.
>> >> >> I hate yahoo webgroup browsing (takes forever), and so I just
>> >> >> thought
>> >> >> that I
>> >> >> might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking
>> >> >> part/following
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general
>> >> >> consensus
>> >> >> it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half the
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> love it, right?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyway, even though I know pretty well Sunray, Angela Android and
>> >> >> Out
>> >> >> Here,
>> >> >> We Are, it would be nice to hear what the whole thing sounds like,
>> >> >> esp.
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> studio versions. And did anyone find out if there's a release date
>> >> >> set
>> >> >> yet?! Hello, is this thing working?!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know I had another five things I wanted to post to the group over
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> last
>> >> >> several weeks, but I have no idea anymore what any of them were.
>> >> >> So I
>> >> >> guess
>> >> >> they weren't that important after all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oh, BTW, I've already decided to come for the Cambridge & London
>> >> >> shows.
>> >> >> Are
>> >> >> tickets already on sale? I suppose hawkwind.com would tell me the
>> >> >> answer
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> that, but...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Grakkl (FFA)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.S. Thanks to Eli for the nice NikSeed review.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.P.S. Oh, yeah, about the Assassins of Silence...or whatever they
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> called. They played in the barn at HF'03, right? Yeah, well, I
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> happy
>> >> >> to watch them play, as they were doing their best to re-create the
>> >> >> Space
>> >> >> Ritual-style show as best they could. But given the venue (a
>> >> >> Hawkwind-themed event!), they were up against a higher standard.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> they'd
>> >> >> been playing at a bar in my hometown, it would have been downright
>> >> >> cool.
>> >> >> And they were better than the Nik backing band at the final
>> >> >> (indoor)
>> >> >> Strange
>> >> >> Daze, and I even 'liked' that show. Mainly for the fun/celebration
>> >> >> factor,
>> >> >> not so much for the performance. Of course, the best Hawkwind
>> >> >> cover
>> >> >> entity
>> >> >> IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating
>> >> >> cast
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> others, which meant that they were better on some days than
>> >> >> others).
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> Time Brothers I never saw, but while they did a few nice versions
>> >> >> of a
>> >> >> couple HW tracks (esp. the two I put on the HWCoversAll CD-Rs),
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> were also not quite 'on target' IMHO...and they had a drummer who
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> absolutely the wrong style. Kind of the alternate universe where
>> >> >> Simon
>> >> >> King
>> >> >> was replaced by Billy Cobham or something.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Oct 12 05:08:15 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:08:15 -0400
Subject: HW: New album...
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.050815.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Andy, Ok, Cheers Stephe
>
> From: Cyberkrel <deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
> Date: 2004/10/11 Mon PM 08:00:48 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
> Hi Stephen - if you are in contact, be sure to tell Nucleon to send one
> this way, OK.
> Andy G.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: New album...
>
>
> > Remember Nucleon? They haven't done much in awhile. I ran into Paul
> Reznik. He said they are getting it together and should be releasing a new
> cd by dec. Could be a classic. Cheers Stephe
> > >
>
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 12 07:00:59 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:00:59 +0100
Subject: Circle: Edinburgh 11/10/04
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.120059.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I went to see these guys last night. The venue is an old cinema ripped
out to provide the usual nightclub hangar arrangement. Not a huge stage
for a lightshow, and the bar at the back is separated by a
semi-transparent perspex screen, which means that the band can only be
heard rather than seen from the bar area, which is strange since the bar
area is raised above the dancefloor.
The band had four members: basically lead, bass, drums and a synth guy
right up front. Everyone but the drummer did some vocals, and the synth
guy at some points turned around back to the audience, facing the
drumkit and did some percussion.
The sound is as if Paranoia and Seeing It As You Really Are were melded
with "The End" from the Doors and brought up to date. Each song would
start with sonic soundscapes produced with the instruments. Gradually
the drumming would get heavier and the vocals would involve chanting and
screaming, possibly in Finnish. This would be held for minutes either
building to a crescendo or slowing down again to rebuild later.
This worked for me on a couple of tracks, which were about half of the
quite short gig, and not really for the rest. These guys had power, but
I found myself wanting to hear them break out into some solid rhythmical
blanga rather than holding to the sonic soundscape concept. I also
didn't like the drums, which were held to various military rhythms done
robotically and without much expression. It's hard to see the point of
having a live drummer basically imitate a drum machine. Maybe I just
don't get it.
I'm glad I went, and I was inspired enough by the tracks I liked to ask
which CD's had these on them, but the seller and the soundman didn't
know - maybe it's just all jamming?
I bumped into gingoblin there and we had a couple of drinks afterwards.
It's always great to see other local hawkfans, and having any sort of
spacerock around here ought to be encouraged.
FoFP
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Oct 12 10:38:14 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:38:14 -0500
Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.093814.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks,
OK. So far, this is what I've found:
:Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube
station. Tottenham Court Road.
:Double / twin rooms:
:Room only: 65.00 per room per night.
:Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night.
(at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.)
:
:Radisson Edwardian Marlborough Hotel, 4 star. Bloomsbury Street, near
Tottenham Court Road.
:Double / twin rooms:
:Room only: 70.00 per room per night.
:Bed and Breakfast: 85.00 per room per night.
(much closer to the venue)
Travelodge in Covent Garden:
80.00 per room per night (as a group booking.) If you are willing to go
to their website and book direct, you can get 45.00 a night, but room
only, and nonrefundable.
St. Giles (right by the Tottenham Court Station): 89.00 a night.
Best Western's Shaftesbury hotel is booked solid for the night,
regrettably.
There are also a host of smaller hotel options, but I'm having difficulty
reaching them :-(. (As most of them don't have email, and I can't really
call around during the day while I work ;-) )
The bloomsbury thistle is in the over 100.00 range :-(, and the Choice
Hotels folks (comfort inn, quality inn, etc.) aren't showing anything in
the immediate area.
Of our choices, the st. giles is closest, with the travelodge and the
edwardian marlborough close.
Votes?
Thanks,
Arin
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From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Oct 12 10:14:16 2004
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:14:16 -0400
Subject: BOC: An auditioned excursion into 3OC world
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041011222941.02192b00@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.101416.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jason Scruton wrote:
>
> From the BOC site:
> October 2, 2004
> After holding auditions in New York, B?C has chosen to hire Jules
> Rodino to
> fill the vacancy left by Bobby Rondinelli.Jules came recommended by
> former
> B?C drummer, John Miceli, and was formerly one of his drum students.
>
> ---- I wonder what this guy will sound like. curiously, the drummer for
> Bevis Frond is a Jules, too.
Well, if John Miceli recommended him, he must be good. I would've voted
for Miceli himself to take over the skins, but I guess he's busy
playing in the same Queen musical as Danny Miranda. Also, if this Jules
is as good as the BF's Jules, then we're in for some fun.
Brian
From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Oct 12 10:54:18 2004
From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:54:18 +0200
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410120924060.6625@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.165418.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Arin
Thanks for all you work
I am for the 65 per room Pound Hotel
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]
On Behalf Of Arin Komins
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:38 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date
Hi folks,
OK. So far, this is what I've found:
:Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube
station. Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 65.00
per room per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night. (at
the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.)
:
:Radisson Edwardian Marlborough Hotel, 4 star. Bloomsbury Street, near
Tottenham Court Road. :Double / twin rooms: :Room only: 70.00 per room
per night. :Bed and Breakfast: 85.00 per room per night. (much closer to
the venue)
Travelodge in Covent Garden:
80.00 per room per night (as a group booking.) If you are willing to go
to their website and book direct, you can get 45.00 a night, but room
only, and nonrefundable.
St. Giles (right by the Tottenham Court Station): 89.00 a night.
Best Western's Shaftesbury hotel is booked solid for the night,
regrettably.
There are also a host of smaller hotel options, but I'm having
difficulty reaching them :-(. (As most of them don't have email, and I
can't really call around during the day while I work ;-) )
The bloomsbury thistle is in the over 100.00 range :-(, and the Choice
Hotels folks (comfort inn, quality inn, etc.) aren't showing anything in
the immediate area.
Of our choices, the st. giles is closest, with the travelodge and the
edwardian marlborough close.
Votes?
Thanks,
Arin
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From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Tue Oct 12 11:51:15 2004
From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:51:15 -0600
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410120924060.6625@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.095115.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Either of the Radissons sound acceptable. The Travelodge didn't have any
45.00 rooms available now. The place we stayed for the Yule Ritual (2000)
didn't want us back? :-)
Mark
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From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Oct 12 12:56:03 2004
From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:03 +0200
Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.185603.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Arin,
I vote for this one:
> :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube
> station. Tottenham Court Road.
> :Double / twin rooms:
> :Room only: 65.00 per room per night.
> :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night.
> (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.)
Probably a 15-20 min walk.
A 3 star hotel would be enough for me though! Anyway, thanks for your efforts.
Andreas
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 12 13:07:11 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:07:11 +0100
Subject: HW: New album...
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004101120255756@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.180711.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Doug wrote:
....[snip].....
Arthur Brown sounds great on the tracks he's on. I realize I'm stating
the obvious when I mention how amazing his voice is, but he also brings a
much-needed sense of humor to the proceedings (since Harvey isn't
around). Unfortunately, his presence underscores the fact that none of
the other three have a particularly strong voice, which probably goes a
long way to indicate that it's probably for the best that he hasn't become
a permanent member.
....[snip]....
I actually thought that Dave's vocals on Reality of Poverty where he shared
the vocal chores with Arthur sounded really strong. I particularly like the
effect that shared vocals have.
....[snip again, sorry]......
Elsewhere in the clips, I hear some nice guitar leads & noodling that
sound like they're from Dave; if so, they don't sound like anything Huw
would/could have done any better, so I don't hear anything that would make
me miss his presence. I don't really hear anything to make me miss
Simon's presence, either, and I don't think he would have fit in well with
most of the songs. Which is too bad, as he's one instrumentalist who
always seems to have something to add on the live albums he's on (which I
find to be less-often true for, say, Harvey or Tim).
I thought I heard some violin on Sunray; maybe its me old ears.
...[snip]...
Now, how about some comments from someone who loves the half I hate and
hates the half I love ... ? :^)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
I don't know if anybody else did the same as me. I converted the mp3's to
wav files and burnt them onto a cd. Then I gave the cd a really good blast
in the car.
Its pretty good driving music throughout most of the 14 minutes or so of
clips.
The other thing that stood out was that there is absolutely loads going on
in every track, even the quieter ones. Its not the kitchen sink effect but
lots of layers of musical activity if you listen closely enough. Whoever has
done the engineering/mixing deserves plenty of credit.
By the end, the disjointed nature of the clips married with the inferior
quality delivered by mp3 files makes it difficult to make a truly objective
judgement. There's enough there to whet my appetite tho' and make me want
this album on the day its released. Lets hope that the winning record label
do a good job of packaging & delivery. No missing tracks or wrong names on
the credits.
The world needs a good Hawkwind album; the pre-season activity looks
promising.
Mark
From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 18:19:28 2004
From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:19:28 EDT
Subject: OFF/Re:Sun Machine
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.181928.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Date:? ? Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200
From:? ? Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
Subject: HW: New album...
Of course, the best Hawkwind cover entity
IMHO was the Sun Machine band with the two Steves (and a rotating cast of
others, which meant that they were better on some days than others).
Date:? ? Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:24:54 -0400
From:? ? Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
Sun Machine were amazing. Shame they aren't around anymore.
Hi, Most of the members of Sun Machine are now in a band called Secret
Saucer.
We Have 2 CD's recorded and we are looking for a label to put them out.We
play space rock with no vocals.
(The members are)
Steve T. Gtr+bass
Steve H. synth
Billy Bass+Gtr.
Thom M. Drums+Synth
Dan S. Gtr.
Greg K. Gtr. from Arc Met
Paul W. Synth from Qspace
Dave H. Synth+Gliss Gtr.
Jay S. keys? from Qspace only on the first CD
this is a link to our yahoo group
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Secret-Saucer/
Dave
From personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM Tue Oct 12 18:43:10 2004
From: personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM (Colin Watt)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:43:10 -0400
Subject: HW: Newcastle Opera House
Message-ID: <TUE.12.OCT.2004.184310.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
ok, well, I *know* that I emailed management at hawkwind.com twice requesting
this info (possibly using one of my other porridgepot.com accounts) -
...however I'm happy to communicate with you here instead...
I would *really* like to get to the gig in newcastle (if indeed hw are
playing).
How can I get tickets ??
many thanks
Col
From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Oct 13 01:17:51 2004
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:17:51 -0400
Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
In-Reply-To: <SERVERPUeYI8odQgP5h000001e5@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.011751.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0600, Mark Licht wrote:
> > 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control:
>
> What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music
> links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page?
This has often messed me up too. I've just now realized why:
- "On the Ether" is NOT the same page as "Latest Info"
- you can't get to OTE directly from the home page, but only
from the navigation bar at the top of "inside" pages; this
lack of a home-page link is what has in the past confused me
into thinking that "On the Ether" was another name for
"Latest Info"
OK, it makes sense that the two pages are separate; it looks as
though LI is intended for hard news, and OTE for rumours and
fluff (though the distinction seems rather fuzzy in practice).
What doesn't make sense is that LI can be accessed from the home
page, but not from the site-wide nav. bar, and OTE vice versa.
ISTM that both pages should have links in both places. Just
another of those www.hawkwind.com mysteries...
--
| | /\
|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com
| | /
The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so
many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to
represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
- Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum"
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 13 08:46:22 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:46:22 +0100
Subject: HW: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: Andreas Stuewe's message of Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:03 +0200
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.134622.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Andreas Stuewe writes:
> Hi Arin,
>
> I vote for this one:
>
> > :Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel, 4 star. Near Warren Street tube
> > station. Tottenham Court Road.
> > :Double / twin rooms:
> > :Room only: 65.00 per room per night.
> > :Bed and Breakfast: 80.00 per room per night.
> > (at the far end of Tottenham Ct Road, perhaps a bit far.)
>
> Probably a 15-20 min walk.
Yeah, I could go with that too.
Mike
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 13 09:45:08 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:45:08 +0100
Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world"
In-Reply-To: <20040916063358.A21265@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.144508.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Stephen Swann wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:53:13PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote:
>
> > I was just thinking today about those times and thinking about my
> > thought process which was, I don't want to be a one hit band. I knew we
> > had the goods again but the lack of ambition from the rest of the guys
> > was worrying me (and Martin Birch). They couldn't understand why I was
> > getting so crazy about every little thing and I think some of them were
> > thinking I was making a power grab but honestly I was worried that we'd
> > mess it up.
>
> It's funny, I remember you once saying that you felt that
> Martin Birch was the producer who had "done the least" for
> BOC's sound. Oddly, in some ways that's what I liked best
> about his mixes, is that they sound really "transparent". I
> always got the impression, when listening to a Martin Birch
> produced album (and he produced quite a surprising number of
> my favorite hard rock and metal albums) that I was listening
> to the band, and not the producer (if that makes any sense). :-)
> My only real gripe with the albums he mixed (which I didn't
> even discover until pretty recently) was the huge amount of
> compression he used (or was that BOC's choice?). And I
> imagine that probably seemed like a very sensible choice in
> the context of the time...
It seems worth tacking a quote onto this, if only because it
varies so sharply from those two opinions on Birch:
"Martin was a great engineer... I think eventully you ended up
with Martin's sound rather than your own, but initially it was such a
good sound you didn't mind." Which is Ian Paice, quoted from the liner of
the 25th Anniversary edition of _In Rock_. I suppose the difference that
he's talking about Birch as engineer, not as producer, but all the same I
thought it was odd, especially as I agree with Steve as a listener; stuff
with which Birch was involved that I've heard still sounds clean and
authentic today, as if not much had got in the way of the bands' sounds
except for audiophilia. Odd. Anyway... Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Hawkwind - _In Search of Space_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Oct 13 13:34:17 2004
From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:34:17 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <1AB2D9EF-05DC-11D9-92C9-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from
"Albert Bouchard" at Sep 13, 2004 07:24:48 PM
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.133417.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
So, I'm looking at the card and the website and I can't find out
what time the Brain Surgeons are hitting the stage this Fridayy in
Montclair.
Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps?
JB
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 13 16:30:12 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:30:12 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <200410131734.i9DHYHB18123@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.163012.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 13, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Berry wrote:
> So, I'm looking at the card and the website and I can't find out
> what time the Brain Surgeons are hitting the stage this Fridayy in
> Montclair.
>
> Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps?
There is an opening act at around 10:30. we're supposed to hit the
lights around 11:15-11:30.
Al
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 13 18:06:39 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:06:39 -0500
Subject: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
In-Reply-To: <20041013051751.GB2810@telepres.com>
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.170639.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote:
:Subject: Re: HW: MC 'On The Ether' UPDATED
:
:On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0600, Mark Licht wrote:
:> > 'On the Ether' info updated on Mission Control:
:>
:> What exactly is the update? I didn't see anything new since the music
:> links. Would it be possible to add a date of the last update on the page?
:
:This has often messed me up too. I've just now realized why:
: - "On the Ether" is NOT the same page as "Latest Info"
: - you can't get to OTE directly from the home page, but only
: from the navigation bar at the top of "inside" pages; this
: lack of a home-page link is what has in the past confused me
: into thinking that "On the Ether" was another name for
: "Latest Info"
:
:OK, it makes sense that the two pages are separate; it looks as
:though LI is intended for hard news, and OTE for rumours and
:fluff (though the distinction seems rather fuzzy in practice).
:
:What doesn't make sense is that LI can be accessed from the home
:page, but not from the site-wide nav. bar, and OTE vice versa.
:ISTM that both pages should have links in both places. Just
:another of those www.hawkwind.com mysteries...
You can always access both LI and OTE via direct URLs if the navigation
starts getting confusing.
LI: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm
OTE: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_!.htm#ether
(Of course, you probably want to go via the official mechanism, since Rik
is likely to change these URLs as he works on the site, but these are good
as of right now....)
Thanks,
Arin
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From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 13 22:28:50 2004
From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:28:50 -0400
Subject: BOC:club ninja
Message-ID: <WED.13.OCT.2004.222850.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In case anyone's interested, and doesn't have a copy of Club Ninja, Nina's discount oldies has available for $2.99!! Shipping is cheap too. You can call 1-800-336-4627 to
order; Fall 2004 catalog,page 12, item ZKOCH7943. Request a catalog too, they have lot's of interesting cds, vinyl, dvds, & r&r related books. Even some Hawkwind, and music of other types; jazz,blues,etc. Check it out, found these folks by accident, and even when i don't buy, love looking through their catalogs and special sale catalogs.
This is not a commercial, i just love to share music finds with people, as i've discovered so much interesting stuff through groups like this (Brain Surgeon's-you oughta be more famous)
tim 8>)...
From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Oct 14 08:28:41 2004
From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:28:41 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <AF40A6A4-1D56-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from
"Albert Bouchard" at Oct 13, 2004 04:30:12 PM
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.082841.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> Can someone help me out? Al, perhaps?
>There is an opening act at around 10:30. we're supposed to hit the
>lights around 11:15-11:30.
>Al
Cool!
I may be able to make it after all, then,
JB
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 14 10:38:46 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:38:46 +0100
Subject: HW: Motorhead / Kings of Speed answers
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004091215175997@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.153846.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Doug Pearson wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:26:24 +0000, eddie jobson <eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >The Hawkwind Zoo 12" says Kings of Speed (live) though doesn't it? So are
> >the single and WOTEOT versions from an orginal live track? Doubt it as it's
> >not listed in the '74 or '75 live sets anywhere.
>
> I'm sure that in this case, "live" would mean "live in the studio" i.e. the
> basic track recorded in real time without any overdubs or edits.
Hmm. It's not clear at first but before long there's a
noticable second guitar line that seems to first come in at about
01:54. I think the track is probably a rehearsal take, but if it's live
at all it's in the Thin Lizzy sense. It stops again at about 02:43 then
comes in again much more clearly at 03:33 to the end, though I'm not
convinced it isn't the same track used again. Just the one overlay I
think, then. Yours,
Jonathan
ObCD: Hawkwind - _Mighty Hawkwind Classics_ (would you believe)
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 14 10:51:25 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:51:25 +0100
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <414A9D02.5000007@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.155125.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 16/09/2004 20:49, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote:
>
> I mean, since when have kids not listened to whatever was surrounding
> them and been influenced by it. How could people who were kids when the
> first Green Day album broke big _not_ be influenced by it? If this is
> _so_ different than anything that's happened before?
Green Day are one of the more forgivable skate punk bands. Not
only have they always correctly denied that they're punk, but they also
actually have some talent. Apart from making pop music with guitars that
comes in at about two and a half minutes I don't really see how they've
stolen the Ramones' crown. They're not about the same thing at all, even
if they are starting from the same basic set-up.
I was just hitting university when _Dookie_ broke big; it hit my
four-years-younger brother a lot harder but I liked it then and I still
like it. They keep producing albums that show a little bit of change and
don't stay quite the same, and they tour regularly. I don't have any
problem with this band being successful nor do I think they were somehow
keeping the Ramones or the other groups that have influenced them out of
the spotlight.
To pick a contemporary example, did Kula Shaker destroy the
exposure of sixties psych? Not where I noticed...
> Sure, its unfortunate that so much money and effort is spent to ensure
> people hear stuff that isn't very good, but that's true for the
> mass-marketing of anything. The gourmets just gotta work a bit harder ....
The industry may some day realise that there are savinhgs to be
made with music that sells itself more easily than the pap it's currently
spending most on, but they've picked up on the Microsoft designed-in-
obsolescence business model for now and I'm not sure either large-
scale audience nor industry really have the attention span for a new band
with staying power just now... Yours,
Jonathan
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 14 11:10:18 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:10:18 +0100
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410141543040.18712-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.161018.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 14/10/2004 15:51, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> Apart from making pop music with guitars that
> comes in at about two and a half minutes I don't really see how they've
> stolen the Ramones' crown. They're not about the same thing at all, even
> if they are starting from the same basic set-up.
It's not possible to steal the Ramones' crown! The Ramones crown is
invincible! untouchable!
But, indeed, there's naught wrong with making pop music with guitars;
IMO, it's a damn sight better than making pop music with cheezy sounding
synths. Surely "pop" music just means a catchy riff that's produced to
fit current sonic fashions and isn't so long that it will break the
short-attention-span limit? Oh, and marketed with sufficient aggression
that it spills all over the radio :)
Eh, a good song is a good song. It's usually the production on pop
songs (which seems to have become increasingly inorganic over the years)
that drives me nuts. If pop music just had more crushingly heavy
guitars, that would be OK :)
Cheers,
Carl
ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :)
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Oct 14 11:12:55 2004
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:55 +0100
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410141543040.18712-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.161255.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Here Here,
I don't know where the topic started, but Green Day are head and
shoulders above meer copyists.
They have their own political agenda, consistantly good Skate albums and
a none too serious look at life.
what is true & I find quite funny is that Busted are a teenyboppers
version of Green day, My son aged 6 loves Busted and has the CD, I have
to listen to it <G>, and its so copyist of GD. However at least they are
having a laugh & playing something with a bit of edge.
If we are gonna pick on somthing shabby, then we should look at the
POPIDOL type music, which is essentially just faeces & parasitic in the
extreme. The poor young teens are being force fed this excrement
everyday, being told its the best thing ever. All being run by the same
management teams, same production houses & record companies. With "live
PA", meaning no live vocals or instruments....
Hey ho... Lets go...
Jonnys in the basement
Dee Dees in the basement
Joeys in the basement
Tommys the only one left.... God why does it always happen to cool
bands....and never to the usual scum sucking arseholes that make up the
charts
regards
Iain
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 14 11:19:03 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:19:03 +0100
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <416E9777.3020609@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.161903.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 14/10/2004 16:12, Iain Ferguson wrote:
> God why does it always happen to cool
> bands....and never to the usual scum sucking arseholes that make up the
> charts
I think because usually because by the time the average chart-topper
dies, everyone has long since forgotten 'em.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Oct 14 11:28:45 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Mike Burro)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:28:45 -0400
Subject: Off/Nik Turner and Spaceseed U.S. gig reviews
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.112845.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks Eli for the kind words regarding The One Eyed Bishops set in New
Brunswick. Thanks also to Bill Stewart and all those who attended the show.
I'd be interested to know if anyone got any pix from the gig?
Peace, Mike Burro
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 14 11:54:46 2004
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:54:46 -0400
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <416E96DA.6030905@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.115446.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :)
Los ladrones est?n en mi iTunes antes de Los Lobos. :-)
Brian
--
Brian Halligan
Copywriter
Martino Flynn, LLC
bhalligan at martinoflynn.com
585-421-0100
From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Oct 14 13:31:02 2004
From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100
Subject: HW: Letter to Robert
In-Reply-To: <5F144154-1DF9-11D9-9EF9-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.183102.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from
the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound
like anything I've heard in his stuff.
In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting
interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album I
suppose :-)
JR
From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 14 13:35:27 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:35:27 -0400
Subject: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.133527.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
Two more dates added to the winter tour;
Date: Monday 20th December
Venue: Manchester Academy 2
Box Office: 0161 832 1111
Website: www.manchesteracademy.net
Date: Tuesday 21st December
Venue: Birkenhead Pacific Rd Arts Centre
Box Office: 0151 647 0752
Website: www.pacificroad.co.uk
-------------
Info for Newcastle:
Saturday 4th December - The Journal Tyne Theatre - Newcastle
(Formerly known as Newcastle Opera House)
Credit Card Hotline 0870 145 1200 (24hours/7days)
BOX OFFICE INFORMATION: 0870 145 1200
Fax Number 0870 043 5898 / Special Needs 0191 260 6066
Group bookings 0191 260 6062
+ ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++
www.hawkwind.com
From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 14 13:46:15 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:46:15 -0400
Subject: HW: On the Ether
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.134615.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + +
Just to highlight a few things that people seem to have missed in the
last Ether update we announced;
OUR NEW STUDIO ALBUM: 'Take Me To Your Leader'
Our new album has great new cover artwork by artist Peter Pracownik, and
features contributions from Lene Lovich, Matthew Wright, *Simon House*, &
Arthur Brown.
Tracks on the album include; (Final album running order tba).
1. To Love A Machine (Brock)
2. Greenback Massacre (Davey)
3. Spirit of the Age (Brock/Calvert)
4. Out Here We Are (Davey)
5. Take Me To Your Leader (Brock/Chadwick/Davey)
6. Sunray (Davey/Brown)
7. Digital Nation (Chadwick)
8. Reality of Poverty (Brock/Morley)
9. Angela Android (Brock/Chadwick)
10. Letter to Robert (Brock/Chadwick)
Album contains more tracks such as 'Long Time Friend' (Brock)
which were not available when samples were taken.........
The clips on Mission Control were also taken prior to the final mix !.......
+ +++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ ++
www.hawkwind.com
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Oct 14 13:56:31 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:56:31 -0500
Subject: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004101413352711@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.125631.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Guess we'll be visiting the rellies in Liverpool then ;-)
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Rik Rx
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:35 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: New dates addded to Winter Tour
+ ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
Two more dates added to the winter tour;
Date: Monday 20th December
Venue: Manchester Academy 2
Box Office: 0161 832 1111
Website: www.manchesteracademy.net
Date: Tuesday 21st December
Venue: Birkenhead Pacific Rd Arts Centre
Box Office: 0151 647 0752
Website: www.pacificroad.co.uk
-------------
Info for Newcastle:
Saturday 4th December - The Journal Tyne Theatre - Newcastle
(Formerly known as Newcastle Opera House)
Credit Card Hotline 0870 145 1200 (24hours/7days)
BOX OFFICE INFORMATION: 0870 145 1200
Fax Number 0870 043 5898 / Special Needs 0191 260 6066
Group bookings 0191 260 6062
+ ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + ++
www.hawkwind.com
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 14 17:23:36 2004
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:23:36 -0400
Subject: HW: Letter to Robert
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.172336.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100, HawkFan <hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK> wrote:
>Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from
>the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound
>like anything I've heard in his stuff.
Some of the opinions do seem a bit bizarre, yes. But remember that Bob
was very much about "getting into" the characters he wrote about,
sometimes going a bit too far. So I'd find it entirely plausible that
these are things he might have discussed, even if they weren't necessarily
what he believed.
The song will definitely make the perfect soundtrack for the next time I
put on my tinfoil hat and start checking my apartment for the microwave
transmitter that's beaming mind-control signals from Alpha Centauri (or
the republicans?) into my head ;^).
>In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting
>interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album
>I suppose :-)
Can't wait! This sounds like a particularly fun one ... I always greatly
enjoy manifestations of Hawkwind's sense of humor ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Oct 14 20:33:34 2004
From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:33:34 -0500
Subject: HW: Letter to Robert
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.193334.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I too greatly enjoyed the "Letter to Robert" track. It has a real psychotic
strangeness (and charm!) about it that really drew me in and I can't wait to
hear more! When I initially heard that "Spirit of the Age" was being
rehashed, I was very disappointed with the idea of treading over old ground,
but I have to admit the results are much better than what I had anticipated
and the new version doesn't make me cringe at all, but instead fills my
psyche with the warm glow of Hawkwind!
John Majka
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:31:02 +0100, HawkFan <hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK>
wrote:
>
> >Is the letter to Bob Calvert? It sounds not unlike his spoken pieces from
> >the late 70s Hawkwind, though some of the opinions expressed don't sound
> >like anything I've heard in his stuff.
>
> Some of the opinions do seem a bit bizarre, yes. But remember that Bob
> was very much about "getting into" the characters he wrote about,
> sometimes going a bit too far. So I'd find it entirely plausible that
> these are things he might have discussed, even if they weren't necessarily
> what he believed.
>
> The song will definitely make the perfect soundtrack for the next time I
> put on my tinfoil hat and start checking my apartment for the microwave
> transmitter that's beaming mind-control signals from Alpha Centauri (or
> the republicans?) into my head ;^).
>
> >In the clip supplied on the web site the track only starts getting
> >interesting right at the end of the clip. Just have to wait for the album
> >I suppose :-)
>
> Can't wait! This sounds like a particularly fun one ... I always greatly
> enjoy manifestations of Hawkwind's sense of humor ...
>
> -Doug
> jasret at mindspring.com
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 14 23:42:22 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:42:22 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <200410141228.i9ECSfq08628@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.OCT.2004.234222.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 14, 2004, at 8:28 AM, Jeff Berry wrote:
> Cool!
>
> I may be able to make it after all, then,
We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait
for you?
Al
From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Oct 15 08:32:40 2004
From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:32:40 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <390E351E-1E5C-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from
"Albert Bouchard" at Oct 14, 2004 11:42:22 PM
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.083240.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> Cool!
>> I may be able to make it after all, then,
>We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait
>for you?
>Al
I appreciate the thought, but don't count on me. I've got to be in
Booklyn for a meeting which I'm hoping will end early enough for
me to cross a few bridges and get out there. But given the basically
perverse nature of the universe, I'm not counting on it.
JB
From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Oct 15 10:41:07 2004
From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:41:07 -0600
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0410120924060.6625@unecre.hpuvpntb.rqh>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.084107.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of
transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue?
Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
------------------------------------------------
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 15 10:50:44 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:50:44 -0500
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <SERVEREsgmvlmziXIKW00000202@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.095044.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
They're about 3 to 3.5 hours by rail from London I think, but the Manchester
and Birkenhead gigs are close together (45 Minutes to 1 Hour Apart)by rail.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:41 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date
Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of
transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue?
Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
------------------------------------------------
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 11:21:26 2004
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:21:26 +0100
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <GBECKJOIGBIGCHCKCNPIOEFICNAA.cosmicdolphin@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.162126.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
yep, tiz 3 to 3.5 hours by train, but don't go telling anyone from
outside of the UK how much they'd have to pay...
Its one of the joys of coming to the UK to get totally & utterly fleeced
by such a shower of B*ST*RDS
Seriously though folks if you are going to take the train from London to
Manchester or Liverpool, expect a real nasty shock at the price. Go
during the day, not during rush hour. try and book tickets in advance,
I've seen people have to pay ?150 return during rush hour and that was
what the euthemistically called standard class ( try filth truck , its
more apt)....
Yep you probibly guessed I have to travel to London every week for work
from Bristol, & I tell yo u, its only due to the fact that the company
pay that I travel on such an aweful system........
national express coaches will be far cheaper, though you may have to put
up with someone smelling of Piss sitting next to you. But hey it'll
only cost about 30 quid return.....
best of luck travellers...
I'll be at Swindon & Astoria, might get to exeter as well........
regards
Iain
Rich wrote on 10/15/2004, 3:50 PM:
> They're about 3 to 3.5 hours by rail from London I think, but the
> Manchester
> and Birkenhead gigs are close together (45 Minutes to 1 Hour Apart)by
> rail.
>
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:41 AM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date
>
>
> Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of
> transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue?
>
> Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Mark
> ------------------------------------------------
>
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 15 14:00:31 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:00:31 +0100
Subject: Make your own blanga
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.190031.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://www.zanorg.com/prodperso/indian.htm
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 15 17:38:42 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:38:42 +0100
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
In-Reply-To: <SERVEREsgmvlmziXIKW00000202@clemensandassociates.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.OCT.2004.223842.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Far away from London but in a much better part of the country <BFG>
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Mark Licht
Sent: 15 October 2004 15:41
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: hotel options for xmas date
Can one of our UK counterparts tell me the proximity and/or ease of
transport of Bayswater area to the Astoria venue?
Also, are the newly added Monday & Tuesday shows near or far from London?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
------------------------------------------------
From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 09:23:55 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:23:55 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <200410151232.i9FCWeb08822@panix5.panix.com>; from
nexus@PANIX.COM on Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 08:32:40AM -0400
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.092355.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 08:32:40AM -0400, Jeff Berry wrote:
> >> Cool!
> >> I may be able to make it after all, then,
> >We'll be playing the new stuff towards the beginning. Should we wait
> >for you?
> >Al
>
> I appreciate the thought, but don't count on me. I've got to be in
> Booklyn for a meeting which I'm hoping will end early enough for
> me to cross a few bridges and get out there. But given the basically
> perverse nature of the universe, I'm not counting on it.
Heh, that was pretty funny. I and the friend who came to
the show with me, were looking up and down the length of
"Park St" looking for #8 (which, although the numbering
schema was a little opaque, seemed it must be either a
church or a high school), when Jeff showed up. Of course,
eventually (after much fruitless searching for a secret
sub-basement under the church where they would let people
play stuff like "666 Devil Got your Mother") it fell out
that we three were all on Park Street in the WRONG TOWN. I
found it sort of a delightful coincidence that we managed to
show up on the same wrong street in the wrong town, within 5
minutes of each other. BOC-L solidarity!
All was well, though. We all made it to the show in plenty
of time. Review coming up soon.
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Sat Oct 16 19:12:02 2004
From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:12:02 -0700
Subject: OFF: Persian Risk
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.161202.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
...anyone here else like Persian Risk? "Too Different" is a great tune.
Shishkabob!
NP: Chaos UK "Victimized" (single version)
"Blitz The Nations"
From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 11:00:00 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:00:00 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.110000.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The Brain Surgeons played live last night at the Meat
Locker/Underground Eight in Montclair, NJ. The performance
space was once a "presentation studio" - basically a cozy
(in the sense of small but comfortably furnished) below
street level club, apparently long in disuse, recently
re-opened. The sound mix was good, I thought Ross'
guitar and Deb's vocals both could have used a bit of
boost, but both were still clearly audible.
The setlist consisted of:
Tattoo Vampire
Jimmy Boots
Gun
Operation Luv
Lonestar
Constantine's Sword
Verboten
Cities on Flame
Godzilla
Dominance & Submission
The Red and the Black
Encore:
Born To Be Wild
They were filming the performance, so I presume there is
some chance of some or all of it making it to video at some
point.
The opening numbers were a pair of Helen Wheels numbers
(Tattoo Vampire being significantly different from the BOC
version). Great songs, both of them. Then the band went
through a mix old old and new Surgeons tunes, before getting
to the "BOC standards" closing part of the setlist.
So, you're probably wondering how it was?
Holy shredding metal monsters, Batman!
The influences of Ross the Boss' presence in the band are
immediate and obvious:
(1) they're more metal than ever
(2) they're more intense in their performances
Don't get me wrong, the Surgeons have always played great
shows. They've always had loads of energy and a great live
"vibe", and they never, ever mail in a performance. I used
to really look forward to the later-in-the-set numbers once
Deb's voice was warmed up, and she would start really
belting out the tunes. But there was time for ballads and
goofing around at the mike, and at times it had more of a
"hanging out with friends" vibe to it.
Last night (except for the traditional comedy break during
Godzilla), it was a lot more head-down, full-tilt rock and
roll. Ross has lost none of his shredding, melt-the-strings
lead guitar capabilities. More than that, he obviously
*loves* the material, is totally into the show, and the rest
of the band seems to draw new energy off of his enthusiasm.
The new material is real "damn the torpedoes full speed
ahead" type stuff, and Al intimated that the other new
material (which they haven't debuted yet), which is even
more intense. The vibe of their live show now is less
relaxed than it used to be, and with more restless, boiling
energy.
I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen.
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 16 13:18:53 2004
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:18:53 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.131853.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks for the review!
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:00:00 -0400, Stephen Swann <swann at CUGC.ORG> wrote:
[snip]
>Holy shredding metal monsters, Batman!
>
>The influences of Ross the Boss' presence in the band are
>immediate and obvious:
>(1) they're more metal than ever
>(2) they're more intense in their performances
>
>Ross has lost none of his shredding, melt-the-strings
>lead guitar capabilities. More than that, he obviously
>*loves* the material, is totally into the show, and the rest
>of the band seems to draw new energy off of his enthusiasm.
And not only is Ross a shredding metal monster, he has what far too many
metal lead guitarists lack: a GREAT, refined and evocative (from sleazy to
grandiose), sense of melody. One of the great thing about seeing him in
the Dictators (and presumably the Brain Surgeons) is that it's incredibly
obvious that he and the rest of the band absolutely love playing
rock'n'roll on stage.
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Oct 16 15:04:58 2004
From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:04:58 -0600
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <20041016110000.A12066@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.130458.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen.
Excellent review, Steve. Hopefully this was filmed for something that I may
actually get to see (since tBS will probably play in Utah about the same time
that a democratic presidential candidate wins the states delegates). At least
we have the Osmonds!
Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC version? Was
the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I was in a
band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and certainly
a great show opener.
Brad
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Oct 16 18:43:03 2004
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:43:03 EDT
Subject: hotel options for xmas date
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.184303.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 15/10/04 22:39:22 GMT Daylight Time, atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM
writes:
> Far away from London but in a much better part of the country
HAWKWIND IN MY AREA!
Whatever happened to Preston? Why do they never play there now??
Steve.
From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Oct 16 23:14:43 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:14:43 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <1097953498.417170dab9d5a@secure.aros.net>; from dahl@AROS.NET on
Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 01:04:58PM -0600
Message-ID: <SAT.16.OCT.2004.231443.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 01:04:58PM -0600, dahl at AROS.NET wrote:
> > I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen.
>
> Excellent review, Steve. Hopefully this was filmed for something that I may
> actually get to see (since tBS will probably play in Utah about the same time
> that a democratic presidential candidate wins the states delegates). At least
> we have the Osmonds!
Thanks, although I can see that it might have merited another
read-through *after* I'd had my coffee... :-)
> Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC version? Was
> the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I was in a
> band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and certainly
> a great show opener.
I wish I was a musician so I could tell you! :)
Fortunately, the world's leading expert on tBS' music
happens to read this list, and is often willing to field
questions...
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 17 09:07:30 2004
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:07:30 -0400
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Magic Cat Radio,
and Drool Trough shows
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.090730.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
Announcements (October 17, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural
Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #113), Magic Cat Radio (show #8), and
Drool Trough (show #19). See the playlists below.
You can go directly to the Radio shows page at:
http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #113)
Hidria Spacefolk - "Pajas" (from Balansia)
Nigel Potter - "Callsign" (from Soundclick.com page)
Second Sight - "Alive In The Dead Of Night" (from Soundclick.com page)
Litmus - "Sonic Light" / "Rays Of Sonic Light" (from You are Here)
Psychosexual Sex Terrestrials v Sons Of Selina - "Creatures Of The Night"
The Stoneage Hearts - "Eye Of A Lie" (from Guilty As Sin)
Daydream Nation - "Neon" (from Bella Vendetta)
Steve Lawson - "The Space Between The Silence" (from Grace and Gratitude)
Nifty Eagu & the Glo-Pilots - "Second Vision" (from Glo-Balisation)
Sula Bassana - "Dealer McDope" (from Dreamer)
Tom Byrne - "Grey Goo" (from The Store Of All The Worlds)
Sloterdijk - "Integration" (from PEMAF)
Magic Cat Radio (show #8)
Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Dr Brown and Majic Cat, and
features special live performances from Majic Cat, related bands, and
anything else that Kev cares to share. This edition of Magic Cat Radio is a
compilation of friends and companions musical utterances.
The Valles Brothers Band - "Aeroplane"
Firegarden - "Eden"
Zachariah Toadstool - "Deforest Kelley Of Arden"
The One Eyed Bishops - "Shorty George"
Acousticat - "Kiffcat Blues"
Superczar - "The Flight"
Neil Forbes & Bill Newsinger - "Big Red Van"
Bubbledubble - "Hubblescope"
Sonic Arcana - "Sonic 1"
The Burning Wood Project - "Track No. 7"
The Far Look - "The Fruit Of Frost Mayhem"
Drool Trough (show #19)
Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the
underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far
more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to
review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into
our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and
from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and
styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels.
The Stoneage Hearts - "Rock N Roll Boys Rock N Roll Girls" (from Guilty As Sin)
Dada Dicky - "Black And White" (from Dada Dicky)
Zmrzlina - "Confection" (from Azadi! A Benefit Compilation for the
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan)
Qualone - "Insanity Ride" (from Qualone)
Nick Castro - "Jack Of All Seasons" (from A Spy In The House Of God)
David Shamrock - "Farewell" (from Thin Pillow)
The Mothers Anger - "So" (from The Mothers Anger)
New Planet Trampoline - "Whirlpool Clyde" (from The Curse Of The New Planet
Trampoline)
The Volta Sound - "I Knew You'd Know" (from Dandelion Wine)
Aspects Of Physics - "3:55:58" (from Marginalized Information Forms One: Ping)
Ginger Leigh - "In The Month Of March" (from If I Should Die Tomorrow)
Superczar - "C.O.W." (from Pop Art)
Bob Seawick - "Breakthrough" (from Distant Latitudes)
Liam Macdonald - "Eagle And Snake" (from Verge)
Johnny Jones - "Wouldn't Mind It (Jack Kelly Blues)" (from Suffering Halos)
A Five And Dime Ship - "A Small Death" (from The Way It All Would End)
Owen - "The Moon Is Dipped In Silver" (from Psychedelic Tour De Force)
Terry Munday - "Behind The Veil Of Ignorance" (from The Human Zone)
Rebuilthangartheory - "Rusted Magnet" (from With Hurricane Blows)
Blow Up Hollywood - "Oceans" (from Fake)
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Oct 17 09:42:21 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:42:21 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <20041016110000.A12066@cugc.org>; from swann@CUGC.ORG on Sat,
Oct 16, 2004 at 11:00:00AM -0400
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.094221.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 11:00:00AM -0400, Stephen Swann wrote:
> The Brain Surgeons played live last night at the Meat
> Locker/Underground Eight in Montclair, NJ.
[...]
> The new material is real "damn the torpedoes full speed
> ahead" type stuff, and Al intimated that the other new
> material (which they haven't debuted yet), which is even
> more intense. The vibe of their live show now is less
> relaxed than it used to be, and with more restless, boiling
> energy.
>
> I think it's the best Brain Surgeons show I've seen.
As an addendum to the review, I thought I would add a couple
of notes...
[1] I never looked forward to the Born to be Wild cover at
BOC concerts. That's because (1) I go to hear BOC's songs,
not Steppenwolf's, and (2) David Lee Roth is wild. Ted
Nugent is *wild*. BOC was born to be dark and mysterious
and slightly weird, I never thought of them as particularly
wild. On the other hand, with the new Ross the Boss
influenced Brain Surgeons, you could believe that they're
wild - and they play a *really* kick-ass cover of that tune.
Instead of it being a slight let down from the rest of the
concert as I've always seen it before, it ended up being
kind of an unexpected high note.
[2] I think there's enough great Brain Surgeons material at
this point (and as I mentioned in the review, we haven't
even heard all the new stuff yet) that the BOC section of
the show should be chopped down to maybe 2 songs. And given
the quality of the Brain Surgeons material that Al has been
turning out for years now, in my opinion the BOC songs are
no longer the highlight of the show, and they they should be
moved to the middle of the set, instead of the end. Don't
get me wrong, I love those songs, but I've been listening to
them for decades, and hearing Al's recent work is just more
exciting. The Brain Surgeons are too good to be acting like
a tribute band, even to Al's own amazing past.
[3] I think they should add a Manowar tune to the setlist.
Something completely over the top, like Sign of the Hammer,
or Blood of My Enemies, and that Al should move the comedy
drum solo into the middle of *that*. I think the contrast
would be great. I know Al would do it, too, if Ross will
let him. ;-)
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Oct 17 10:57:06 2004
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:57:06 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets
In-Reply-To: <20041017094221.B17868@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.105706.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
At 09:42 AM 10/17/2004, you wrote:
>[2] I think there's enough great Brain Surgeons material at
>this point (and as I mentioned in the review, we haven't
>even heard all the new stuff yet) that the BOC section of
>the show should be chopped down to maybe 2 songs. And given
>the quality of the Brain Surgeons material that Al has been
>turning out for years now, in my opinion the BOC songs are
>no longer the highlight of the show,
I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to
pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit?
What's truly exciting, though, is how much of that set is new material.
When was
the last time BOC's shows were that way? 1981?
That said, if chopping down TBS's "let me show you how it SHOULD be done"
section of the show to 2 B' O Cult songs, i'd go with Death valley nights
and Baby Ice Dog... the heavy version from "Career of
Christmas"/Malpractice fits with the mood, and DVN would be a nice "break"
before ragin' fuill on into the set's home stretch. That and the lyrics
kick the most ass for your dollar (excepting Dominance and Submission...
but that's a different kind of kicking.)
Jason
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 17 13:04:55 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:04:55 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <20041016231443.A17868@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.130455.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 16, 2004, at 11:14 PM, Stephen Swann wrote:
>
>> Can you comment a bit on how Tatoo Vampire differed from the BOC
>> version? Was
>> the music totally different? the tempo? the spitting of blood? I
>> was in a
>> band once that performed that song regulary. Great song to play and
>> certainly
>> a great show opener.
>
> I wish I was a musician so I could tell you! :)
> Fortunately, the world's leading expert on tBS' music
> happens to read this list, and is often willing to field
> questions...
>
Uh, it's not very different from the BOC version IMO. We've split the
voicings of the two guitars with Deb playing a higher, lighter more
sustained part and Ross doing the down and dirty chugging part. I also
altered the melody to give myself some higher notes and changed some of
the words to what Helen sang on the Archetype record. It's pretty
straightforward now. I've done versions where the tempo was speeded up
and other ones with Helen where the riff was totally different but now
we're doing it more like BOC than ever except we play it heavier. ;-)
Al
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 17 13:08:26 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:08:26 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Friday the 15th
In-Reply-To: <20041016092355.A6267@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.130826.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 16, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Stephen Swann wrote:
> that we three were all on Park Street in the WRONG TOWN. I
> found it sort of a delightful coincidence that we managed to
> show up on the same wrong street in the wrong town, within 5
> minutes of each other. BOC-L solidarity!
>
> All was well, though. We all made it to the show in plenty
> of time. Review coming up soon.
>
Great to see Mr Swann again at a tBS show. The night was just about
perfect. Picture to follow.
AL
From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 16:48:19 2004
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:48:19 +0100
Subject: t
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.214819.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
t
From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 16:51:28 2004
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:51:28 +0100
Subject: Fw: Carol Clerk book
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.215128.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Subject: HW: Carol Clerk book
Just finished reading this!! I also have Ian's. My suggestion - get both - read Ian's first; has more of a music content, then read Carol's. My thoughts? Well the people come across basically as I thought they were/are. Dave as a bit of a hustler, Nik desperate to be seen as "the conscience of hawkwind" (and back in the band) (and doesn't like Lemmy - that is obvious) - the rest judge for yourselves. There are some real arseholes amongst the ex-members! I was at some of the events discussed in CCs book. Backstage at Earth Ritual and Black Sword tours - Hawkon - Stonehenge etc etc., some of doesn't exactly square with my memory. Dave B following Dave A about at Hawkon? Don't think so - DB couldn't move for fans. Trev Hughes has jumped ship for Nik, again! Saw Trev at the Edinburgh gig a couple of years back- care to repeat what you said there? As Huw says: without Dave B it isn't Hawkwind!! All jolly fun.
Dave
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Oct 17 17:52:33 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:52:33 +0000
Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK to perform at 'Cosmic Cofeehouse': Nov 13th (
news story)
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.215233.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
To access the story click to:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/10/prweb167767.htm
SLOTERDIJK @ 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse': Saturday, November 13th!
SLOTERDIJK will perform at New Jersey's 'Cosmic Coffeehouse', Saturday,
November 13th
visit: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org for more information
or call Ken Palmer ( Brainstatik) at: (609) 298-4080
Doors usually open about 7PM with shows beginning at 8PM
entree: $5.00 ( benefits local community association)
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 17 18:49:31 2004
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:49:31 EDT
Subject: t
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.184931.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 17/10/04 21:55:56 GMT Daylight Time,
dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:
> t
>
minus .. . and counting.
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Oct 17 18:58:28 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:58:28 -0400
Subject: t
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.185828.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
u
>
> From: GutterCat at AOL.COM
> Date: 2004/10/17 Sun PM 06:49:31 EDT
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: t
>
> In a message dated 17/10/04 21:55:56 GMT Daylight Time,
> dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:
>
> > t
> >
> minus .. . and counting.
>
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Oct 17 19:13:45 2004
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:13:45 EDT
Subject: t
Message-ID: <SUN.17.OCT.2004.191345.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET
writes:
> u
>
t
From asg at MVDBASE.COM Sun Oct 17 22:42:16 2004
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:42:16 +0200
Subject: t
In-Reply-To: <1f1.2d02f6e6.2ea456a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.044216.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time,
> lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET
>
> writes:
> > u
>
> t
Some people must be incredibly bored.................
(unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!)
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave...
Alex.
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 05:07:17 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:07:17 +0100
Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041017104714.021ab558@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.100717.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote:
> I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to
> pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit?
"Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster"
(reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :)
No reason not to play a few BOC songs (I mean, Al was kinda involved
with writing quite a lot of them ;) but it would be OK (with me) to turn
them into a "rotating cast", pulling out a couple of different ones at
different shows.
> That said, if chopping down TBS's "let me show you how it SHOULD be done"
> section of the show to 2 B' O Cult songs, i'd go with Death valley nights
> and Baby Ice Dog...
Those would be good choices. I like the recorded tBS versions of those
rather more than the BOC recordings :) And I'd be into some cool stuff
from _Imaginos_ being pulled out, since like 30C is ever gonna play
those. Man, an "I am the One" with Ross would *dominate*!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 05:10:49 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:10:49 +0100
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <20041017094221.B17868@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.101049.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 17/10/2004 14:42, Stephen Swann wrote:
> [3] I think they should add a Manowar tune to the setlist.
> Something completely over the top, like Sign of the Hammer,
> or Blood of My Enemies, and that Al should move the comedy
> drum solo into the middle of *that*. I think the contrast
> would be great. I know Al would do it, too, if Ross will
> let him. ;-)
Blood of My Godzilla? No, no, perhaps we're moving into far to cheezy a
territory there .... ;)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 05:23:43 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:23:43 +0100
Subject: OFF: Farflung reading list
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.102343.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Dear All,
ages back, when we were still expecting a Farflung album
called _The Myth of Solid Ground_ to emerge, I remember I think Keith H.
googling for the title and coming up with an SF news report about the San
Andreas fault or something like that, and suggesting that at least we
knew what Tommy Grenas had been reading a little while ago. Rather more
recently I've come across references to this, which gave me another of
those moments:
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0090954602/103-0272847-9134216?v=glance#product-details>
Sorry about the long URL. Not sure if I can recommend the book
from a medievalists's point of view ;-) but the modern stuff sounds like
good journalistic intrigue... Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 06:03:23 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:03:23 +0200
Subject: Farflung reading list
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.120323.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon "A Good Thread Never Dies" Jarrett comes up with....
>ages back, when we were still expecting a Farflung album
>called _The Myth of Solid Ground_ to emerge, I remember I think Keith H.
>googling for the title and coming up with an SF news report about the San
>Andreas fault or something like that, and suggesting that at least we
>knew what Tommy Grenas had been reading a little while ago.
LA Weekly it was...
Now a brand new search yields that this story has become much more than
that, given that its author has now published a book under that same title.
You can find it at amazon.com in fact.
Not everyone is thrilled with Mr. Ulin though...
http://quake.exit.com/A000409.html
But I don't quite understand the situation, 'cause the Amazon review seems
to suggest that Ulin's book shows some amount of amazement at the current
level of earthquake prediction ability. But the LAWeekly article (which I
haven't actually read) was subtitled "On The Science, Pseudoscience and
Lunatic Logic of Earthquake Prediction." So what is he? A flip-flopper?
Hmm...but anyway...searching on the title via Yahoo still hits Aural
Innovations at No. 2 (sadly below "Wal-Mart")...Google puts us on the second
page after a bunch of inevitable big name book-sellers following the Ulin
publication.
Grakkl (FFA)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 06:36:55 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:36:55 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Sep 2004 to 10 Sep 2004 (#2004-223)
In-Reply-To: <EBD259E53B6F74408D54029AE0D1E0EC01176B1F@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.113655.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote:
> There are new bands coming through, but they're not necessarily (at
> the moment) to the taste of habitu?s of this list - the whole ska/punk
> scene seems to be truly thriving judging by my son's idea of a good
> night out. Jon may wish to note that Josiah (who opened Canterbury a
> coupla years back) are still going, and appear to be recording now (I
> heard some stuff on (believe it or not) Radio Scotland while on
> holiday. While I wouldn't knock tribute/cover bands - I was most
> entertained by Whole Lotta Led recently - I think that the large
> number of them that are touring may be having a stultifying effect on
> small venues.
I am interested in the Josiah thing, although I had heard that
they had an album out some time ago. The last place I heard of this,
though, was practically on topic. I don't know if anyone but me has gone
to look at <http://www.delerium.co.uk> recently, but in its static state
it is pluggi a new label called Molten Records who are currently boasting
On Trial and, you guessed it, Josiah. Because it's mentioned there I'm
wondering if Richard Allen is behind this? Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 07:00:09 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:00:09 +0100
Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting...
In-Reply-To: <20040922184701.GA14351@telepres.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.120009.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 05:39:09PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote:
> > we'll need to start having
> > tributes to bands that haven't even formed yet.
>
> Well, 10cc did a soundtrack to a movie that hadn't been made yet
> (and still hasn't, to my knowledge). So did Bobbie Gentry and
> Gladys Knight, but both those movies did eventually get made :-)
And The Mothers of Invention's _Uncle Meat_ did get made, but
probably shouldn't have been. Not that I've seen it but to judge from the
dialogue excerpts included on the remaster CD, it must have been
*awful*. Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 07:16:25 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:16:25 +0100
Subject: OFF: sappy prog
In-Reply-To: <20040922150036.4haa5i0cskswo4k4@webmail.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.121625.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, David Kuznick wrote:
> Quoting Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>:
>
> > Hmmm...Nektar are really (still) very good.
>
> I was somewhat disappointed with them at NEARFest, whereas I thought Caravan
> kicked ass. I was taking my wife because she likes Caravan a lot, but Nektar
> isn't really her cup of tea.
That does surprise me, I must admit. Having seen both in
reasonably recent years (Caravan last in 2001 at the Canterbury
Festival) Nektar earlier this year as keen readers of my screeds to this
list will know, I thought Caravan were bland, self-indulgent and more or
less content-free, while Nektar were driven, imaginative and focused.
Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing
going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never
see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even
though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me
(one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records
website, for heaven's sakes--what?!). Nektar on the other hand have fast
become a fixation in the CD player (albeit currently between endless Bevis
Frond). So I am surprised that one could come out favouring Caravan over
Nektar live. What kind of ears am I not listening with? Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 08:12:01 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:12:01 +0200
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.141201.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Folks...
Well, this is in a way on-topic, but only coincidentally.
So, I put on my Virgin (1989) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm CD on the other
day, and discovered to my horror, that it is 'going bad.' I don't know much
about the CD rot phenomenon (as I've never had this happen before), but I
suppose this must be it. It's got a heap of crackly noise at the outset
during the first bit of SotA, but that quickly dies out when the real song
kicks in. But then it slowly creeps back toward the end of the album,
starting again around Days of the Underground. Never gets as bad as the
first two minutes, but it's enough to be distracting. And the noise is
louder when the music is louder, and vice versa. It seems strange that it
appears to creep in from the edges on both sides, but in non-uniform way. I
mean, the noise propagates just a tiny distance in from the center ring (the
beginning) through (apparently) the 'Table of Contents' and the first two
minutes only. But because QSC is 'short' (42 minutes or so), it has a wide
ring of unused disc space, and the 'rot' seems to have already crept from
the far edge across this empty zone into the last cm or so of actual music.
Or am I reading too much into this pattern?
Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe I
have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just curious
as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or else
Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of CDs
and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against things
like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with was
the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old PDO
discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see
whether this one was also a PDO disc.
Anyway, out of 3,000 discs or so that I've owned, to have one go 'south' is
not such a terrible thing. But I hope that I don't suddenly get a bunch of
them rotting out as all those I bought in the late 80s get to be 20 years
old.
OK, back to regular programming...
Grakkl (FFA)
From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Oct 18 06:48:52 2004
From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:48:52 -0400
Subject: t
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.064852.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Or Joan Crawford...
tim 8>)...
Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time,
> > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET
> >
> > writes:
> > > u
> >
> > t
>
> Some people must be incredibly bored.................
>
> (unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!)
>
> It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave...
>
>
>
> Alex.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------
> http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm
> Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database]
> http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list]
> Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net
> ---------------------------------------------------
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 18 08:27:05 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:27:05 +0100
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC09D980BD@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.132705.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote:
> Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe I
> have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just curious
> as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or else
> Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of CDs
> and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against things
> like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with was
> the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old PDO
> discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see
> whether this one was also a PDO disc.
My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or
not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only
interested in the music, not the media :)
My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird
bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from
Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the
company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember
aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still
have both of these, somewhere ....).
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 18 08:41:43 2004
From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:41:43 +0100
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.134143.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield
albums, both on Virgin too...
I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which has
gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it
plays perfectly.
Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot
> On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote:
> > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe
I
> > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just
curious
> > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or
else
> > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of
CDs
> > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against
things
> > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with
was
> > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old
PDO
> > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see
> > whether this one was also a PDO disc.
>
> My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or
> not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only
> interested in the music, not the media :)
>
> My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird
> bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from
> Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the
> company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember
> aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still
> have both of these, somewhere ....).
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
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From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Oct 18 08:58:01 2004
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:58:01 EDT
Subject: OFF: sappy prog
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.085801.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 10/18/04 4:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes:
> Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing
> going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never
> see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even
> though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me
> (one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records
> website, for heaven's sakes--what?!).
Lee Dorian, wot?? ah, haven't listened to some old Napalm Death or Cathedral
in a while... (hey, chris??) see ya in a few months, jon? chuck, whose
appearances are becoming even more seldon than thou...and who's currently on the
brink of sleep-deprivation delerium, while having to go to work in a few
hours...withdrawals from alcohol sure are a bitch...if that's what it is... nevermind,
and this ain't sappy prog - n. death. celebrating my 10-year boc-l
anniversary, remembering when i was just a wee lad, charles the grinning boy only
still...who where or what would i be now if i hadn't joined?? c
a few key moments and precious memories - Jill S's generous package to a
fledgeling: all for $10 incl. postage (a jewish memory) - Doremi (remember
thinking at the time that "brainstorm" was about the strangest thing i'd ever heard),
Roadhawks (w/a note from jill's vendor still in the sleeve from who knows
when) and the AoD/Trans Man single.
picking up the griffin box-set for Bernard, and being so excited when he gave
me permission to open it, so's i could dub what stuff i didn't have yet...my
hunger for fresh hawkwind was so intense at the time i would have eaten stale
hawk-droppings...hmmm... i got my first CD player just so i could purchase
hawk-discs from the then-good Best Buy, not ever finding hw in my old formats in
the stores of the area... BBC Radio 1, Church (STILL a favorite, even if it
really is solo brock-tronics basically, it all may as well be hawkwind to me,
they did beautiful electronic space-music under the mother name - I love
Brock-Tronics!! and what he and Harvey did together then!), MHWC...the lushness of it
all...Foff-puh mailing me a packet of lyrics...
the hand-full of space-rock exposures to follow...ADII, Gong, Can, Darxtar,
Pressurehed, '90s Nik...
the nostalgia is always there... from lee to all of that... c
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Oct 18 09:05:14 2004
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:05:14 +0200
Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Euro Tour (no UK)
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.150514.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
starts tomorrow.
Still haven't picked up The Whispering Wall, but did get "All the King's
Men" not too long ago. Which didn't thrill me all that much, to be honest,
though there was one really cool long-winded electronic track, which is the
kind of thing they often do very well live (usually towards the end of the
set) as well. LPD are a bit maddening in that way, having a tendency to
waste precious time wallowing away in their own self-indulgent misery, only
then to let Silverman open up all his 'stops' and then a totally amazing
psychedelic madness comes through to save the day. But it takes some
patience, mind you. Worth a go, if you're in the area, natch.
Grakkl (FFA)
19 Oct: Rostock (D) / MS Stubnitz
20 Oct: Arhus / Musickcafeen (DK)
21 Oct: Copenhagen (DK) / Rust
23 Oct: Oslo (N) / Elm Street
24 Oct: Stockholm (S) / Debaser
26 Oct: Helsinki (SF) / Taviasti-Semifinal
27 Oct: Riga (LV) / Klub Depo
29 Oct: Vilnius (LT) / Mulen Ruzas
30 Oct: Gdansk (PL) / Zak
31 Oct: Berlin (D) / Knaack
02 Nov: Hamburg (D) / Logo
04 Nov: Brno (CZ) / Fleda
05 Nov: Krakow (PL) / RE
06 Nov: Warszawa (PL) / Fabryka
07 Nov: Wroclaw (PL) / WK
08 Nov: Plzen (CZ) /Pod Lampou
09 Nov: Prague (CZ) / Roxy
10 Nov: Munchen (D) / Feierwerk
11 Nov: Vienna (A) / Monastery
12 Nov: Budapest (H) / Marco Polo
13 Nov: Debrechen (H) / Kasanthaz
16 Nov: Ostrava (CZ) / TBA
17 Nov: Ljubljana (SI) / Channel Zero
21 Nov: Athens (GR) / Gagarin 205
26 Nov: Campo Bisenzio (IT) / Werk
30 Nov: Innsbruck (A) / TBA
01 Dec: Basel (CH) / Wagenmeister
02 Dec: Brussels (B) / Magasin 4
03 Dec: Verviers (B) / Spirit of 66
04 Dec: Darmstadt (D) / Villa Oetinger
08 Dec: Weinheim (D) / Cafe Central
15 Dec: Cologne (D) / Underground
23 Feb 2005: Munster (D) / Gleis 22
24 Feb 2005: Potsdam (D) / Waschhaus
From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Mon Oct 18 08:49:33 2004
From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:49:33 +0200
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-DAV48tlMazUSxv0000f15e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.144933.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I also have a few of these disks. The're brown, but still play (some UK pressing
of Alternative Tentacles cd's), and mabey even some other ones (but then i'll
have to check the all).
Supposedly, you should be able to send the defected disc back and get a new one...
see:
http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html
and
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp
Bart
Citeren Chris Allen <beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM>:
> I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield
> albums, both on Virgin too...
> I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which has
> gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it
> plays perfectly.
>
> Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot
>
>
> > On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote:
> > > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I believe
> I
> > > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just
> curious
> > > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or
> else
> > > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of
> CDs
> > > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against
> things
> > > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems with
> was
> > > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those old
> PDO
> > > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to see
> > > whether this one was also a PDO disc.
> >
> > My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or
> > not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only
> > interested in the music, not the media :)
> >
> > My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird
> > bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from
> > Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the
> > company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember
> > aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still
> > have both of these, somewhere ....).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Carl
> >
> > --
> > Carl Edlund Anderson
> > http://www.carlaz.com/
> >
>
>
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From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 18 09:45:04 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:45:04 -0400
Subject: HW: October Support Announced
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.094504.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
OCTOBER
Our 'Take Me To Your Leader' preview gigs;
Oct 23rd - Cheltenham Town Hall :- 01242-227979
Support: Dumpy
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Support: The VS (pronounced 'vees' - an all girl rock outfit)
----------------------
XMAS PARTY GIG 2004
Sunday 19th December
London - ASTORIA
Fancy Dress Competition:
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mad scientist or clone and you could win a chance to
join the band on tour.
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From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 18 09:51:07 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:51:07 -0500
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <1098103773.4173bbdd35eb4@webmail.b-movies.nl>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.085107.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yep. The older Ozrics CDs pressed by PDO are rotting, my strangeitude looks
terrible but still plays ok. Also my ltd triple CD of last train to Lhasa by
Banco De Gaia has browned. My Virgin Quark is just dandy though.
I have a few early CDVideo Singles, ie audio singles that will play some
video on the old laserdisc players as well, that have laser rot and will be
useless in a few years. If I remember rightly my UK Dead Kennedys
(Alternative Tentacles) Disc is also bronzing.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Bart Brugmans
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:50 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot
I also have a few of these disks. The're brown, but still play (some UK
pressing
of Alternative Tentacles cd's), and mabey even some other ones (but then
i'll
have to check the all).
Supposedly, you should be able to send the defected disc back and get a new
one...
see:
http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html
and
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp
Bart
Citeren Chris Allen <beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM>:
> I've had the same thing happen twice, but both CDs were Mike Oldfield
> albums, both on Virgin too...
> I have a copy of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon (curiously also Virgin) which
has
> gone from silver to a lovely burnished bronze and gold sunburst, but it
> plays perfectly.
>
> Wasn't it just Philips CDs that were meant to degrade like this?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF: CD Rot
>
>
> > On 18/10/2004 13:12, Henderson Keith wrote:
> > > Bummer that it's QSC, a rather rare disc, but not so tragic as I
believe
> I
> > > have a Griffin copy back in the US in storage. But anyway, was just
> curious
> > > as to whether anyone else had problems with this particular disc, or
> else
> > > Virgin CDs of the same era. This one is rather 'early generation' of
> CDs
> > > and suppose that the quality/durability of more recent discs against
> things
> > > like CD rot has been improved. The only other disc I had problems
with
> was
> > > the Dovetail "Pungent Effulgent" (Ozrics) which (like many of those
old
> PDO
> > > discs) simply became unreadable by any player. I forgot to check to
see
> > > whether this one was also a PDO disc.
> >
> > My old Virigin _QS&C_ did the same thing quite a while back. Rare or
> > not, I think I ditched it when the Griffin one came out (since I'm only
> > interested in the music, not the media :)
> >
> > My old Dovetail _Live Underslunky_ has looked rotted for years (a weird
> > bronze color), but still plays/reads fine. I had a Tull live disc from
> > Strange Fruit (?), I think, which was reported to have CD rot and the
> > company actually sent a new one to anyone who asked, if I remember
> > aright, though mine never actually failed to play (I think I might still
> > have both of these, somewhere ....).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Carl
> >
> > --
> > Carl Edlund Anderson
> > http://www.carlaz.com/
> >
>
>
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 18 12:48:10 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:48:10 +0100
Subject: OFF: Misc. ranting...
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004092221200406@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.174810.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Doug Pearson wrote:
> I wouldn't quite say, "new favorite" yet, but I was pretty blown away last
> night by Electrelane, who were opening for the Ex (who were amazing, but I
> already knew to expect that). Four girls from the UK (Bristol?) playing
> really driving (but still fairly polite) drone/noise rock. The singer
> switched off between spacey/melodic keyboards (slight minus for the prog-
> stylee "U" configuration, but maybe that will get fans of "sappy prog" to
> check them out ;^) ), guitar, and some seriously freaked-out sax
> (unfortunately only for one song) that recalls Nik's most-waterfowlish
> moments - a sound I love! They were recently signed to Too Pure, and
> sound like it. Any UK listmembers familiar with them? I'm definitely
> inspired to go out and buy at least one of their albums ...
Not Bristol but Brighton, apparently, as I discovered when I found
that despite being in the town on the right day I'd missed them
there this Friday. I went on to miss Circle, because the mailout I was
working from advertised the wrong start time and when Sherman and I got
there it was (a) half an hour from the end of the (four bands in four
hours!) show and (b) so full they weren't letting anyone else in. So I
have still not seen either of these bands. Electrelane however I shall
probably manage to see given that they apparently play their home town a
lot and that it's almost my second one.
I did at least manage to see Dead Empire, whom I'd actually gone
down there to see, and who are probably currently my favourite band who
are still at the demo stage. But because of that, I can't point you at
recordings that show this, unless their bass-player's been foolish enough
to leave them up on his website. Aha! He has. Anyone bored could do worse
than have at the MP3s on <http://www.deadempire.co.uk/music.html>. They've
just finished recording more so it may be worth checking back. Anyway,
that's my plug for the day. I'm assuming no-one needs Litmus plugging by
now? Yours,
Jon
ObLP: Bevis Frond - _Superseeder_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Mon Oct 18 13:44:10 2004
From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:44:10 -0700
Subject: HW: October Support Announced
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004101809450450@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.104410.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Would that be for the next two December dates, or is this not "the" tour?
KevinSommers
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Rik Rx
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:45 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: October Support Announced
...
XMAS PARTY GIG 2004
Sunday 19th December
London - ASTORIA
Fancy Dress Competition:
.... you could win a chance to
join the band on tour.
From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Oct 18 19:28:53 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:28:53 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets
In-Reply-To: <417387C5.6010803@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Mon,
Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100
Message-ID: <MON.18.OCT.2004.192853.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote:
> > I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to
> > pull tunes from. Anyone care to lobby for "lil Egypt"? :) or Bad Habit?
>
> "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster"
> (reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :)
Hah! Those are the same two songs I asked Al if there was
any chance of making it back into rotation! You know, I
think I remember that I once named you to speak for me in
any BOC-L discussions I might miss out on... this is
probably why. ;)
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 19 04:33:08 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:33:08 +0100
Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld, 3rd September
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.093308.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Dear All,
forgive me for this late and sketchy review, but I had
assumed till just recently that I'd reviewed it elsewhere and this turns
out not be so.
Briefly, a great gig with lots of fun had by all. I arrived only
just in time to get a beer before Litmus took the stage. They courageously
opened the set with a new song, though I thought a new listener wouldn't
have known. Apparently things didn't seem quite so rosy from the stage,
but the second one, also new, though it did seem to come dangerously loose
during its early stages when guitar and bass had to go through three
iterations of their complex riffs before they were finally in step, seemed
to present the band with an opportunity to laugh at the clumsiness and
recovery from it rather than a horrible failure. It looked and felt as if
they were having fun pushing the limits of their competence. And the quite
fantastic lights made everything experimental seem more worthwhile anyway.
I didn't write a set-list so at some point I'll get this wrong; I
think they now opted for the safer ground of `Infinity Drive' followed by
`Dreams of Space', both of which were full-on. I got stuck into a moshing
loop during the break of the latter, I was damned if I was going to give
up before they were. It was very intense and tight. But even then, secure
for a bit, they branched out into new stuff again, and we got (I think
these occurred here) two more new ones. I don't remember too much about
the former, though I thought at the time that it was very much more
together than the second one of the set. Martin did tell me the name of
the latter after the set, but I've forgotten it; it was definitely the one
that blew me away most. An evil bassline--if this long track was in space,
which it definitely was, Willie Dixon flung it there by main force--and a
fantastic break are what I mostly remember about it; guitar and bass
carrying on in the same time signature but without reference to each
other, like Beefheart having half of his band in a different room,
irresistibly unscrewing the top of the listener's head. Simon and Martin
looking out at different sections of the crowd, you could have
photographed them and superimposed a spaceship cockpit's glazing for the
next album cover, two spacemen staring out at the void while Matt and
Anton tune banks of electronics in the background and somewhere behind
them almost invisible but evident by the sheer noise of him, Marek shovels
coal into the rhythm section.
Anyway. Too metaphorical perhaps but it very much impressed me,
and the number wound down in a very stoner coda and they gave us a few
seconds break with `Rays of Sonic Light' before going into `Sonic Light'
itself and finally closing with `Twinstar'. It was all very good. Some
might say the first two numbers were a bit too risky, but it was a risk I
was glad they took.
Arthur Brown also managed to be unexpected. Although he did take
the stage in the same way as I last saw him doing for one of his own
performances, that is, in a big black overcoat, carrying a lantern and a
staff with a black stocking entirely obscuring his face, he didn't open
with the same number (which was a pity in a way because that was `Hard
Rain Gonna Fall' and he didn't do it at all). He opened with a new one, I
think, it must have been fairly recent because it mentioned crack, anal
sex and the Gulf War, all of which are apparently things he thinks part of
the collapse of worthwhile civilisation. It also included the lines:
Give me back the Berlin Wall
Give me Stalin and Saint Paul
I've seen the future
And it's *murder*
which, I don't know about you but when someone like Arthur Brown tells me
in his most sepulchral voice that the world's finished, good's dead and
from here it can only get worse, which was the general import of things, I
wonder what he knows that I don't... He rapidly had the crowd's attention
anyway.
Can't remember everything else he did; we got, as well as a clutch
of things I didn't know, `I Put a Spell on You', `That's How Strong My
Love Is', `Fire Poem' & `Fire' of course and without half as much of the
clowning about whether he's going to do it or not to which I've got used,
and particularly notable, a really strong version of `Time Captives', a
song which I was never impressed by when Hawkwind did it. Somehow, with a
three-piece band all wearing (for this number only) what appeared to be
upturned halves of medicine-ball sized spheres on their heads adorned with
LEDs, and Arthur standing stock still with glowing raver-type mini disco
balls on handles in each hand, the number acquired a solemnity a full band
in a big venue couldn't have given it.
The band worth a mention: most of the work, on guitar, dulcimer,
and at least one other instrument I now forget (I really should have
written this up sooner) along with a pedal bass organ set-up, a very able
chap whose name I cannot now discover (<http://www.godofhellfire.co.uk>
being rather behind the times sad to tell), and on the other side a
guitarist who was rather less stable, but freaked high as well as low, by
which I mean that his solos were generally excellent after about forty
seconds work to get into it. A lot of backchat between him and Brown, and
one or two spots of duelling acoustics (yes, no electric really here,
except during `Fire' and a couple of other numbers which followed),
everyone seemingly not quite sure what they were doing but willing to
throw everything they in and see what came out. They knew the songs well
enough, just not how they'd be this time... The whole set-up also led to a
very top-end show. The focus was Brown's voice of course, but for someone
who once put together the Kingdom Come stuff and complained how
ordinary drummers couldn't cope with what they wanted you'd think the
terribly terribly sparse and basic rhythm section that the bass pedals and
(on one song only) a foot-board gave would be insufficient. The main reason
I didn't wind up buying the live CD-R of this band that was on sale was
that I could imagine how on a stereo this would all sound terribly empty
and dull without the spirit of the performance to animate it. But with it,
while you were there, it was all forgivable because it was after all
Arthur Brown live.
Brown himself was in fine and unpredictable form, his voice as
ever fantastic but also his stage banter. At one point he idly paused a
minute to flick some fluff or something from his belly, and looking up at
the crowd as if surprised to find them watching him, solemnly intoned,"My
belly-button's better than your belly-button". Some wag in the crowd
presumably shouted, "Want to bet on it?" because Brown replied "Yes,
actually, I would like to bet on it. I've rubbed it with coconut
oil,", making with the appropriate actions, "I've warmed it slightly over
the stove, and I've had it licked by sixteen Vestal Virgins before coming
on stage... *Some* of them were *girls*!" He didn't get heckled much after
that, which is almost a shame given the quality of response.
Also, because I haven't mentioned her yet, a blonde Russian girl
playing Hammond for `Fire' and a few following numbers. She was quite good
I suppose, but mostly she won points for being attired in flowing
hippy-chick clothes and dancing a great deal like a Bond girl behind the
organ. What with her dress, dance style and the lights, it was all
dangerously Austin Powers but thankfully the rest of the band made it
rather more serious than that. Apparently she's part of Instant Flight
whom Brown sometimes uses as backing band.
Last number beat them all, after she'd gone off stage again, being
a huge blues medley. I couldn't tell you all the songs that were in there,
I didn't know them all for a start, but at least (I think?) `Hoochie
Coochie Man' (might be making that one up actually), `Spoonful' and, what
surprised me most, U2's `Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', which
he probably gave more time than any of the others and which he did very
well. Having seen U2 do it twice at the old Wembley Stadium I wouldn't
like to say it was the best version I've seen but it was good to see that
Brown presumably thought it worth including along with the other
classics. The whole medley went on for a good ten minutes, anyway, and if
we'd needed reminding that Arthur Brown can sing the blues, we knew it
now.
There was no encore, because of a club afterwards I think, though
the clearing-out was still fairly leisurely. I was skint so I didn't buy
either the 1997 `Vampire Love' single or a new live CD-R of this band
which probably would have been worth it had I been richer. I was
interested to see both, plus also the _Brown Black and Blue_ album which I
thought long unavailable. I hope he keeps going long enough for me to
come back into funds, anyway. He shows *no* signs of stopping.
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 19 06:23:42 2004
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:23:42 +0100
Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld,
3rd September
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.112342.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi,
A great review of a great night.
However, just to be pedantic, a few corrections:).
For Litmus, Matt was not there; the long haired electronics/keyboards man is
Andy. The on-stage problems came about because they did not get a
soundcheck and there were also major problems with the monitors:(.
For Arthur's band, the two guitarists were Nick Pynn and Chris Bryant; Nick
being the one with dulcimer, violin etc. while Chris played Arthur's foot
drums. Lucie Rejchtrova is, I believe, from the Czech Republic not Russia.
Hope to see you at the Standard on November 5th:).
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From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: HW/OFF: Litmus + Arthur Brown, Camden Underworld, 3rd September
> Dear All,
> forgive me for this late and sketchy review, but I had
> assumed till just recently that I'd reviewed it elsewhere and this turns
> out not be so.
>
> Briefly, a great gig with lots of fun had by all. I arrived only
> just in time to get a beer before Litmus took the stage. They courageously
> opened the set with a new song, though I thought a new listener wouldn't
> have known. Apparently things didn't seem quite so rosy from the stage,
> but the second one, also new, though it did seem to come dangerously loose
> during its early stages when guitar and bass had to go through three
> iterations of their complex riffs before they were finally in step, seemed
> to present the band with an opportunity to laugh at the clumsiness and
> recovery from it rather than a horrible failure. It looked and felt as if
> they were having fun pushing the limits of their competence. And the quite
> fantastic lights made everything experimental seem more worthwhile anyway.
>
> I didn't write a set-list so at some point I'll get this wrong; I
> think they now opted for the safer ground of `Infinity Drive' followed by
> `Dreams of Space', both of which were full-on. I got stuck into a moshing
> loop during the break of the latter, I was damned if I was going to give
> up before they were. It was very intense and tight. But even then, secure
> for a bit, they branched out into new stuff again, and we got (I think
> these occurred here) two more new ones. I don't remember too much about
> the former, though I thought at the time that it was very much more
> together than the second one of the set. Martin did tell me the name of
> the latter after the set, but I've forgotten it; it was definitely the one
> that blew me away most. An evil bassline--if this long track was in space,
> which it definitely was, Willie Dixon flung it there by main force--and a
> fantastic break are what I mostly remember about it; guitar and bass
> carrying on in the same time signature but without reference to each
> other, like Beefheart having half of his band in a different room,
> irresistibly unscrewing the top of the listener's head. Simon and Martin
> looking out at different sections of the crowd, you could have
> photographed them and superimposed a spaceship cockpit's glazing for the
> next album cover, two spacemen staring out at the void while Matt and
> Anton tune banks of electronics in the background and somewhere behind
> them almost invisible but evident by the sheer noise of him, Marek shovels
> coal into the rhythm section.
>
> Anyway. Too metaphorical perhaps but it very much impressed me,
> and the number wound down in a very stoner coda and they gave us a few
> seconds break with `Rays of Sonic Light' before going into `Sonic Light'
> itself and finally closing with `Twinstar'. It was all very good. Some
> might say the first two numbers were a bit too risky, but it was a risk I
> was glad they took.
>
> Arthur Brown also managed to be unexpected. Although he did take
> the stage in the same way as I last saw him doing for one of his own
> performances, that is, in a big black overcoat, carrying a lantern and a
> staff with a black stocking entirely obscuring his face, he didn't open
> with the same number (which was a pity in a way because that was `Hard
> Rain Gonna Fall' and he didn't do it at all). He opened with a new one, I
> think, it must have been fairly recent because it mentioned crack, anal
> sex and the Gulf War, all of which are apparently things he thinks part of
> the collapse of worthwhile civilisation. It also included the lines:
>
> Give me back the Berlin Wall
> Give me Stalin and Saint Paul
> I've seen the future
> And it's *murder*
>
> which, I don't know about you but when someone like Arthur Brown tells me
> in his most sepulchral voice that the world's finished, good's dead and
> from here it can only get worse, which was the general import of things, I
> wonder what he knows that I don't... He rapidly had the crowd's attention
> anyway.
>
> Can't remember everything else he did; we got, as well as a clutch
> of things I didn't know, `I Put a Spell on You', `That's How Strong My
> Love Is', `Fire Poem' & `Fire' of course and without half as much of the
> clowning about whether he's going to do it or not to which I've got used,
> and particularly notable, a really strong version of `Time Captives', a
> song which I was never impressed by when Hawkwind did it. Somehow, with a
> three-piece band all wearing (for this number only) what appeared to be
> upturned halves of medicine-ball sized spheres on their heads adorned with
> LEDs, and Arthur standing stock still with glowing raver-type mini disco
> balls on handles in each hand, the number acquired a solemnity a full band
> in a big venue couldn't have given it.
>
> The band worth a mention: most of the work, on guitar, dulcimer,
> and at least one other instrument I now forget (I really should have
> written this up sooner) along with a pedal bass organ set-up, a very able
> chap whose name I cannot now discover (<http://www.godofhellfire.co.uk>
> being rather behind the times sad to tell), and on the other side a
> guitarist who was rather less stable, but freaked high as well as low, by
> which I mean that his solos were generally excellent after about forty
> seconds work to get into it. A lot of backchat between him and Brown, and
> one or two spots of duelling acoustics (yes, no electric really here,
> except during `Fire' and a couple of other numbers which followed),
> everyone seemingly not quite sure what they were doing but willing to
> throw everything they in and see what came out. They knew the songs well
> enough, just not how they'd be this time... The whole set-up also led to a
> very top-end show. The focus was Brown's voice of course, but for someone
> who once put together the Kingdom Come stuff and complained how
> ordinary drummers couldn't cope with what they wanted you'd think the
> terribly terribly sparse and basic rhythm section that the bass pedals and
> (on one song only) a foot-board gave would be insufficient. The main
reason
> I didn't wind up buying the live CD-R of this band that was on sale was
> that I could imagine how on a stereo this would all sound terribly empty
> and dull without the spirit of the performance to animate it. But with it,
> while you were there, it was all forgivable because it was after all
> Arthur Brown live.
>
> Brown himself was in fine and unpredictable form, his voice as
> ever fantastic but also his stage banter. At one point he idly paused a
> minute to flick some fluff or something from his belly, and looking up at
> the crowd as if surprised to find them watching him, solemnly intoned,"My
> belly-button's better than your belly-button". Some wag in the crowd
> presumably shouted, "Want to bet on it?" because Brown replied "Yes,
> actually, I would like to bet on it. I've rubbed it with coconut
> oil,", making with the appropriate actions, "I've warmed it slightly over
> the stove, and I've had it licked by sixteen Vestal Virgins before coming
> on stage... *Some* of them were *girls*!" He didn't get heckled much after
> that, which is almost a shame given the quality of response.
>
> Also, because I haven't mentioned her yet, a blonde Russian girl
> playing Hammond for `Fire' and a few following numbers. She was quite good
> I suppose, but mostly she won points for being attired in flowing
> hippy-chick clothes and dancing a great deal like a Bond girl behind the
> organ. What with her dress, dance style and the lights, it was all
> dangerously Austin Powers but thankfully the rest of the band made it
> rather more serious than that. Apparently she's part of Instant Flight
> whom Brown sometimes uses as backing band.
>
> Last number beat them all, after she'd gone off stage again, being
> a huge blues medley. I couldn't tell you all the songs that were in there,
> I didn't know them all for a start, but at least (I think?) `Hoochie
> Coochie Man' (might be making that one up actually), `Spoonful' and, what
> surprised me most, U2's `Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', which
> he probably gave more time than any of the others and which he did very
> well. Having seen U2 do it twice at the old Wembley Stadium I wouldn't
> like to say it was the best version I've seen but it was good to see that
> Brown presumably thought it worth including along with the other
> classics. The whole medley went on for a good ten minutes, anyway, and if
> we'd needed reminding that Arthur Brown can sing the blues, we knew it
> now.
>
> There was no encore, because of a club afterwards I think, though
> the clearing-out was still fairly leisurely. I was skint so I didn't buy
> either the 1997 `Vampire Love' single or a new live CD-R of this band
> which probably would have been worth it had I been richer. I was
> interested to see both, plus also the _Brown Black and Blue_ album which I
> thought long unavailable. I hope he keeps going long enough for me to
> come back into funds, anyway. He shows *no* signs of stopping.
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
> jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
> "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
> So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
> (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Oct 19 10:40:24 2004
From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:40:24 -0400
Subject: tBS @ The Meat Locker, Montclair NJ 10/15/04
In-Reply-To: <AB065F98-205E-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> from
"Albert Bouchard" at Oct 17, 2004 01:04:55 PM
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.104024.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Uh, it's not very different from the BOC version IMO. We've split the
>voicings of the two guitars with Deb playing a higher, lighter more
>sustained part and Ross doing the down and dirty chugging part. I also
>altered the melody to give myself some higher notes and changed some of
>the words to what Helen sang on the Archetype record. It's pretty
>straightforward now. I've done versions where the tempo was speeded up
>and other ones with Helen where the riff was totally different but now
>we're doing it more like BOC than ever except we play it heavier. ;-)
>Al
One thing I noticed was that the backing vocals seemed more together
now. It seems like David was singing more than I recall him doing
in the past (although I may just have noticed it more) but Ross is
also chiming in. With all four members singing, the vocal sound
has some added chunk.
Moving on to more general comments now ...
Ross has, naturally, added some depth and pyrotechnics to the sound.
It's nice to have a shredder in the lineup:-) He's also got his
share and more of rock star charisma, so the visual aspects of the
show picked up some - one downside to all the singers is that they
often find themselves trapped behind mike stands. Even in the limited
space at the Meatlocker, Ross was able to get out from behind his
and show off some.
As for the three Senior Surgeons, they just keep getting better. The time
as a trio seems to have paid off in their chops and playing. All three
are playing as well as I've ever seen them.
The new material is strong and the old material was executed with style and
authority. It's almost a pity that the BS back catalog is so strong,
since favorites are almost certain to be overlooked. (Time ... is a favorite
here, too. And I missed Il Duce.) And that's ignoring both Al's and Ross'es
old bands songs. (But I'll never complain about hearing D&S.)
The bottom line is this: this is the strongest lineup I think the BS have
ever had, and a lot of things seem to be jelling. I really think they
could take off now. I'm hoping to see them in some bigger venues soon
(BB King's, guys? What about a double bill with Ian Hunter on Dec. 12?
There's no other act listed and Ian has worked with BOC before ...)
JB
From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 19 11:21:59 2004
From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:21:59 -0400
Subject: Circle Gig in London Last Friday
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.112159.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I just wondered if anyone else from the list went. Circle were delayed
because apparently someone spilt Red Bull on the mixing desk so they had to
fetch another one. Consequently I had to leave way before the end to catch
a last train home. A real downer. What I saw though seemed unbelievably
intense to me. Pure driving hypnotic rock that just seemed to go on and on
and expand into different layers. This was the first time I'd seen them
headlining and they really shine when they are given the space to do their
stuff. About time to in my opinion. These guys are easily one of the best
bands out there. They take the repetition/hypnosis thing further than
anybody else. And although you can hear elements of other bands in there
(think Can with a Hawkwind riff) you can't accuse them of imitating anyone,
they sound so original. Some people don't like the singing but I think it
sounds amazing live and just adds to the strangeness of their sound. I was
really impressed.
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 19 17:04:41 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:41 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: <200410041006.i94A6an7003453@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.220441.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote:
> Mark Lee writes:
>
> > Now this I like the sound of, I was never a huge fan of a lot of Mikes'
> > work, I read everything I could get my hands on as a spotty youth
> > and found that the only stuff I liked much were the Elric books, some
> > of the short stories were OK but I could never get into a lot of the
> > other series, Count Brass etc etc, nothing wrong with the works
> > per se, just not my cuppa
>
> I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
> havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion
save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to
go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the
part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you
to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit of
debate,
Jon
ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Hit Squad_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Oct 19 22:32:48 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:32:48 -0400
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410192201460.7633-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>;
from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Tue, Oct 19,
2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100
Message-ID: <TUE.19.OCT.2004.223248.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote:
> >
> > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
> > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
>
> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion
> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to
> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the
> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you
> to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit of
> debate,
In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably
get Jim Carrey...
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 05:30:26 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:30:26 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:41 +0100
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.103026.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon Jarrett writes:
> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion
> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has to
> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the
> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take you
> to be Mike...
I'm not particularly into the vampire thing. I only watched Buffy for
the humour and Angel because Charisma Carpenter is in it. I did think
"Ultraviolet" had possibilities but they dropped it.
> Wouldn't someone who can act be better?
Could be. Jeremy Irons in the remake of the Time Machine looked like a
pretty good Elric too.
FoFP
From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 05:40:01 2004
From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:40:01 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.104001.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express
emotion
> > save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has
to
> > go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
> > hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for
the
> > part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take
you
> > to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit
of
> > debate,
What about Richard E. Grant?
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 20 05:44:02 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:02 +0100
Subject: BRAIN: tBS sets
In-Reply-To: <20041018192853.A11350@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.104402.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 19/10/2004 00:28, Stephen Swann wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:17AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>> On 17/10/2004 15:57, Jason wrote:
>> > I completely agree with you on this, John. tBS' catalog is very exciting to
>> > pull tunes from.
>>
>> "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You"! And perhaps "Name Your Monster"
>> (reaching back to the first album, here, but I do dig those songs :)
>
> Hah! Those are the same two songs I asked Al if there was
> any chance of making it back into rotation!
On 19/10/2004 15:40, Jeff Berry wrote:
> It's almost a pity that the BS back catalog is so strong,
> since favorites are almost certain to be overlooked. (Time ... is a
> favorite here, too.
The fans have spoken!
(Well, uh, a couple o' dudes hanging around online have spoken, anyway :)
Let there be Rock,
Carl
--
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http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 20 05:44:56 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:56 +0100
Subject: OFF: Johnny Ramone
In-Reply-To: <5F144154-1DF9-11D9-9EF9-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.104456.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 14/10/2004 16:54, Brian Halligan wrote:
> Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>> ObCD: Shakira, _?D?nde est?n los ladrones?_ :)
>
> Los ladrones est?n en mi iTunes antes de Los Lobos. :-)
Como debe ser!
Saludos,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Oct 20 06:31:07 2004
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:31:07 +0200
Subject: HW: Tim Blake's accident
In-Reply-To: <200410200900.i9K903G7004933@www.ispnetinc.net>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.123107.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
from Gong's newsletter:
TIM BLAKE'S ACCIDENT
Tim was badly injured in car accident near his home in France at the end
of May. I have seen pictures of the wreck, he was very fortunate to have
escaped at all. After spending some time in hospital and weeks
recuperating at a convalescent home, learning to walk and having all
manner of treatment it seems happily that he's almost mended and getting
back to his old self, however the final all clear won't be given until
mid November. He is hoping to have a short residency of 'come-back' gigs
in Paris in January.
k
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Oct 20 09:22:21 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:52:21 +0930
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.225221.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?)
that's him I'm pretty sure. No way will it be Jim Carrey. It wont be
Orlando bloom either hehe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Swann" <swann at CUGC.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote:
>> >
>> > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
>> > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
>>
>> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion
>> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has
>> to
>> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
>> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the
>> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take
>> you
>> to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit
>> of
>> debate,
>
> In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably
> get Jim Carrey...
>
> --
> Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
> swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
>
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Oct 20 10:01:11 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:01:11 -0500
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: <000601c4b6a7$d49d0370$eec98890@homer>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.090111.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yah the fanbase on his website who voted on it would like Mr Depp :-)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Muad'Dib
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:22 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?)
that's him I'm pretty sure. No way will it be Jim Carrey. It wont be
Orlando bloom either hehe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Swann" <swann at CUGC.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, M Holmes wrote:
>> >
>> > I read all of the Champion stuff at 18. Not great writing but fun. I
>> > havta admit that I'd kinda hoped for James Marsters (Spike) as Elric.
>>
>> He looks nearly right, but his sheer inability to express emotion
>> save by setting his jaw might be kind of a problem given what Elric has
>> to
>> go through. The monotone would get boring after a while too. This
>> hasn't stopped at least one Buffy obsessive I know advocating him for the
>> part as well, but she's more female and vampire-fascinated than I take
>> you
>> to be Mike... Wouldn't someone who can act be better? Yours in a spirit
>> of
>> debate,
>
> In keeping with Hollywood casting tradition, we'll probably
> get Jim Carrey...
>
> --
> Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
> swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
>
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 10:08:50 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:08:50 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:52:21 +0930
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.150850.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Muad'Dib writes:
> Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?)
> that's him I'm pretty sure.
The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric
have a cockney acccent?
FoFP
From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Oct 20 11:07:10 2004
From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:37:10 +0930
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <THU.21.OCT.2004.003710.0930.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him
then. He has also been in several other good movies his latest being some
tennis movie. From what I read on the moorcock list some including Mike
think he'd be ideal. Anyway I haven't read the latest on that for a few
weeks now so it all could have changed. I wonder what a melnibonean accent
would sound like? :)
re; rich's email on the same topic.
Johnny Depp voted most popular choice as Elric? I can't visualise him
really. My initial reaction is to laugh at that idea. but who knows - Depp
is quite versatile - still I cannot visualise him in the role at all.
Bettany yes because he is fairly tall and lean, has quite a fair complexion
and with a good wig, contacts and the right makeup - might just work.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
> Muad'Dib writes:
>
>> Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right
>> name?)
>> that's him I'm pretty sure.
>
> The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric
> have a cockney acccent?
>
> FoFP
>
From _jt at COX.NET Wed Oct 20 13:16:36 2004
From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:16:36 -0700
Subject: BOC: Imaginos question. Which track(s) most accurate?
In-Reply-To: <07B581D5-CEF5-11D8-875B-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.101636.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In the opinion of those who may have heard demos of the
un-BOC-itized version (Albert's version) of Imaginos, which
track or tracks sound the truest to Albert's intentions? Ie
the least altered or polluted by the subsequent production and
additions of Buck et al?
From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 20 11:28:34 2004
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:28:34 -0500
Subject: HW: london hotel stuff
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.102834.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Folks,
I've booked us into the Radisson Edwardian Grafton Hotel (the 65 pound
one at the top of tottenham ct rd.), which is the one that folks indicated
earlier that they wanted.
Hotel details are at
http://www.radisson.com/hoteldirectory/hotelbio.jsp?hotelCode=GBGRAFTO&key=hoteldirectory.info.&submenu=hoteldirectory.info.highlight.&origin=Hotel%20Directory&backURI=/reservation/hotelPreference.do?locationUni=638&maintitle=Hotel+Overview
My current list of folks who are interested in this is:
filip vanhuyse
mike holmes
bernard pospiech + christos
andreas steuwe + his wife
arin komins + rich warren
keith henderson
Note: I've claimed 1 extra person for both Filip and Mike or else we can't
get the group rate. (We need at least 10 people for the group rate,
you see.) Note: they won't actually charge you any differently,
so help me out here ;-)
(If anyone else is interested in joining in, please pipe up now, so I can
get rooms reserved for you.)
Mark L. and Mick C., let me know as soon as you can if you are going to be
joining us, and I'll see what I can do.
(Keith, I'm assuming you wanted in from your email, but if you need to
cancel, that's ok, too ;-) )
Could folks please call my group contact and get their rooms swapped over
to their own credit cards. I will cancel anyone's space if they've not
done this by (oh, let's say midNovember?)
(Note: I don't think she has PGP, so you probably want to call rather than
emailing your credit card.)
You may need to reference our group booking info number, which is:
1219UNI.
Group contact:
Carolyn Cooper
Group Sales Manager
Radisson Edwardian Hotels
19-25 Granville Place
London. W1H 6PA
Ph: +44 (0)20 7451 0196
Fax: +44 (0)20 8797 4144
E-mail: cooperc at radisson.com
Thanks,
Arin
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 12:11:33 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:11:33 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:37:10 +0930
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.171133.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Muad'Dib writes:
> Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him
> then.
Nah, it's a BBC TV series about a group of conmen. He's the youngest
recruit to the group if it's the guy I'm thinking of.
FoFP
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 12:42:39 2004
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:39 -0400
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.124239.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Muad'Dib writes:
>
>> Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap?
That's "Gangster No.1", where he plays a London mobster with a penchant for
protracted grisly killings involving hammers, chisels etc. Malcolm McDowell
plays the same character in later life. Good film- given the recent fad for
Brit gangster movies it was surprisingly underrated/unsuccessful, perhaps
because the lead character is just too psychopathic to be presented as a
loveable diamond geezer who also happens to torture and murder the odd
person now and then.
Nick
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 20 12:50:38 2004
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:50:38 -0400
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.125038.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:39 -0400, Nick Medford <nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
>That's "Gangster No.1", where he plays a London mobster with a penchant for
>protracted grisly killings involving hammers, chisels etc.
Forgot to add, on the basis of his performance in that, I imagine he'd make
an excellent Elric.
He also had a major role in the brilliant "Dogville"- where he played a
completely different kind of character very convincingly- no question about
his ability to act.
Nick
From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Oct 20 12:59:41 2004
From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:41 -0400
Subject: Arthur Brown material
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.125941.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones? Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Oct 20 13:36:39 2004
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:36:39 -0500
Subject: Arthur Brown material
In-Reply-To: <20041020165941.VIMO2497.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.123639.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
'Journey' by Arthur Brown and Kingdome Come is a good album (and recently
remastered by Sanctuary with bonuses)Includes Time Captives
I have some of the more recent albums which aren't to my taste as much as
the earlier stuff.
Sanctuary also have an AB 2CD compilation out called 'Fire' I think, which
has a pretty good track selection.
Rich W
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:00 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Arthur Brown material
Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones?
Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe
From youless at COX.NET Wed Oct 20 14:03:03 2004
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:03:03 -0400
Subject: Arthur Brown material
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.140303.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Very timely, this. I've very recently added a review of Arthur's albums to
Starfarer's Hawkwind Page. It's written (not by me) from and for a
Hawkwind fan's persepctive:
http://www.starfarer.net/solowrks12.html
Cheers
Steve
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:41 -0400, Stephe Lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
wrote:
>Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest which of Arthur's albums are the best ones?
Also any that should be avoided? Thanks in advance, Cheers Stephe
From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Wed Oct 20 17:04:03 2004
From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:04:03 +0100
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: <200410201611.i9KGBXel007638@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.20.OCT.2004.220403.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Muad'Dib writes:
>
> > Is hustle the movie where he plays a psycho mafia type chap? that's him
> > then.
>
> Nah, it's a BBC TV series about a group of conmen. He's the youngest
> recruit to the group if it's the guy I'm thinking of.
>
> FoFP
The guy in 'Hustle' is Marc Warren.
From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 21 09:05:24 2004
From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:05:24 -0400
Subject: BOC: Imaginos question. Which track(s) most accurate?
In-Reply-To: <200410210900.i9L903b8017678@www.ispnetinc.net>
Message-ID: <THU.21.OCT.2004.090524.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> In the opinion of those who may have heard demos of the
>> un-BOC-itized version (Albert's version) of Imaginos, which
>> track or tracks sound the truest to Albert's intentions? Ie
>> the least altered or polluted by the subsequent production and
>> additions of Buck et al?
An interesting question. The overall istrumental sound didn't change
much between Al's demos and the final product (which is why those who
hear Al's demos know who the real creative force behind this album is).
The biggest change is probably more of omission (no "Gil Blanco
County", "The Girl the Love Made Blind", plus a few other tracks like
the overture...) than comission. Having made that caveat, perhaps
"...Frankenstein..." is the closest, retaining Joey Cerisano's lead
vocal. After that, I'd probably say "Blue Oyster Cult", "Del Rio's
Song" and "I Am the One You Warned Me Of" are perhaps the closest, as
memory serves ... hmm... maybe it's time to dig that tape out and give
it another spin...
John
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Oct 21 23:04:37 2004
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:04:37 -0400
Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany.
In-Reply-To: <41769D74.8090307@cox.net>
Message-ID: <THU.21.OCT.2004.230437.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Just finished it.
My impressions ---
1. Eric is very glib in his answers to questions. Perhaps suprisingly so,
given Popoff's
description of Eric as a driving force. I juse don't see how.
2. Allen,when he's asked something, gave onger answers than I though he'd give.
I wonder what he says when asked "Why are there so few Allen Lanier
compositions in BOC?"
3. I loved Pearlman's judgement about Club Ninja. I might have missed it,
but how did he get roped into
doing it with so many outside, un BOC songs?
4. Bolle seems like the fan version of Sandy Pearlman.
5. Murray K's role in the band was very interesting to read about; I've not
read/heard that much
about his role in the Oystercrew.
I think the book most importantly, (not the best word...) captures
the way a band can cease to exist (c. Fire of Unknown Origin & Lanier's
departure in Ninjatimes),
and how its individual members find ways to carry on in their own rights.
Lastly, a question about today: is BOC still on Sanctuary? I always get the
feelign when the co.
issues a Best of that it's an end-of-contract dealie.
Lastly + !, reading about Il Duce made me want to hear the tune again after
seeing tBS-as-trio
perform the tune. How different was the BOC version of the song?
J
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 22 06:43:38 2004
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:43:38 +0100
Subject: xmas fun in the music industry?
Message-ID: <FRI.22.OCT.2004.114338.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Elliot Spitzer is the man who kicked ass on Wall Street exposing dodgy
dealings in the tech stocks boom, then made arrests at big corporations
faking earnings, and who has this last week exposed a giant insurance
scam that ripped off customers.
THe news today is that he has invited execs of Sony BMG, EMI, Vivendi
Universal, and Warner Music Group in for a chat. He's asked them to
bring contracts, billing details and papers concerning their links to
the independents who pitch sales and put records onto radio shows.
In short, he's going to start lifting rocks to see what crawls out.
Anyone reckon the music industry will come out with a clean bill of
health?
FoFP
From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Oct 22 07:26:53 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:26:53 -0400
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Oct 2004 to 2 Oct 2004 (#2004-246)
In-Reply-To: <200410201408.i9KE8oOi000349@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from
fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 03:08:50PM +0100
Message-ID: <FRI.22.OCT.2004.072653.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 03:08:50PM +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Muad'Dib writes:
>
> > Mr Moorcock favours Paul Bettany as one choice (have I got the right name?)
> > that's him I'm pretty sure.
>
> The guy from "Hustle"? I dunno. He seems a bit young and would Elric
> have a cockney acccent?
The man has range, though. Try watching him in Master &
Commander, and then in A Beautiful Mind.
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 22 09:44:13 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:44:13 -0400
Subject: HW: Press Release Extract
Message-ID: <FRI.22.OCT.2004.094413.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
THE WRIGHT STUFF - MATTHEW JOINS HAWKWIND!
Hawkwind can confirm that they will be joined by narrator Matthew Wright on
December's 'Take Me To Your Leader' tour. Matthew will also sing and recite
poetry when he accompanies the band onstage at their shows in Cambridge,
Exeter and London. And depending on his TV commitments with Channel 5's 'The
Wright Stuff', he is also hoping to confirm appearances in Newcastle,
Manchester and Birkenhead.
As previously announced, there will be preview shows at Cheltenham Town Hall
on October 23, with Dumpy as 'Spacenutz' supporting, and Bournemouth BIC on
October 28, with support from The VS (pronounced ?Vees?), an all-girl rock
band.
The Astoria gig - scene of Hawkwind's traditional Yule Ritual ? features a
fancy dress competition with fans invited to come as an android, a robot, a
mad scientist or clones for the chance to win a place on tour with the
band. There will also be fire-eating courtesy of Kris Tait and all sorts of
"weird and special things" going on.
The tour will showcase new material such as 'To Love A Machine' from the
group's long-awaited 'Take Me To Your Leader', which will be released as
soon as Hawkwind have finalised their label deal. In keeping with the themes
of the album, the live gigs, complete with dancers, will be set in a space
laboratory carrying out experiments in cloning - a place where people fall
in love with clones and machinery is king.
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 22 17:55:18 2004
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:55:18 -0400
Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany.
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041021223634.021a6058@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.OCT.2004.175518.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:04 PM, Jason wrote:
> How different was the BOC version of the song?
That was mentioned as one of the songs they would include on a remaster
of FOUO. There is a version on Bambo that is the exact same track but
with David Roter singing instead of Donald.
From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 22 18:13:06 2004
From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:13:06 -0700
Subject: HW: New album...
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004101120255756@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.OCT.2004.151306.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
This might be a first: I disagree with Doug's opinion. I think that sax
sound goes well with the sound of the snippet (of course I'd love to hear
the entire song to base a better judgment on, but....). Sax has "gotta" have
balls when it's appropriate, just as guitar's "gotta" be driving and
forceful in the right context, but can be lite acoustic strumming or
whatever when need be. In my book, sometimes well-mannered *does* cut it.
KevinSommers
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Doug Pearson
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:26 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: New album...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200, Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH>
wrote:
>Hey Folks ... I just thought that I
>might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following
>the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general
>consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half
>the people love it, right?)
...
My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the lite-jazz Kenny G sax
(or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound brings to mind velour-leisure- suited
cocktail lounge musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of music that
Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death Generator in 'Time
Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if they'd put a power ballad with
that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes piano preset on CotBS (or if Rudolph/Powell had
successfully carried out their coup and made a disco/funk/fusion HW album in
'77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in your rock band, it's *gotta* have
balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it! (Whew! Glad I got that off my
chest.)...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Oct 23 14:46:57 2004
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:46:57 -0400
Subject: BOC:at Hot Topic???
In-Reply-To: <0FE56F06-2475-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.OCT.2004.144657.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Went in there with some friends searching for suitably garish./cheesy
apprarel for the 31st, and on the wall of T shirts there was the BOC tour
shirt from 77, black with the logo on the front and the bandname all down
the back.
Needless to say I bought one (though I wonder who exactly owns the rights
to that shirt logo? the band?
Jason
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 24 17:15:13 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:15:13 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
Message-ID: <SUN.24.OCT.2004.221513.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I have read many HW articles, interviews, reviews, books and whatever else
but I don't think that I have ever read anything with so many mistakes as
the group's biography that is up on the MP3.com site.
Take a look just here:
http://www.mp3.com/Hawkwind/artists/3800/biography.html
I never knew that ANITA Baker was a member.
Anybody publishing HW related material, be that books or web delivered, can
take heart, be generally satisfied and say "I can't be as bad as that"
iCU soon
mark
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Oct 24 22:56:03 2004
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:56:03 -0400
Subject: BOC: Woes of the psychic wars II
Message-ID: <SUN.24.OCT.2004.225603.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Guess what?
look through GEMM and you'll find "Tales of the psychic wars II"
in LP form this time. From the rather terse descriptions offered,
it seems to be the same 83 pasadena show that they used
the first time 'round.
..."don't let these 'boots go on..."
Jason
From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Oct 25 06:32:22 2004
From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:32:22 +0100
Subject: xmas fun in the music industry?
Message-ID: <MON.25.OCT.2004.113222.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> Anyone reckon the music industry will come out with a clean
> bill of health?
MRSA at least, if not ebola
ChrisW
ObCD: V/A - Tango Argentina
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From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Oct 25 06:40:46 2004
From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:40:46 +0100
Subject: HW: New album (Kenny G etc.)
Message-ID: <MON.25.OCT.2004.114046.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Doug wrote:
> My biggest complaint is: What the f*^k is up with the
> lite-jazz Kenny G sax (or sax samples)?!? Awful! The sound
> brings to mind velour-leisure- suited cocktail lounge
> musicians of the 1970s ... playing the kind of music that
> Michael Butterworth describes as coming out of the Death
> Generator in 'Time Of The Hawklords'. It's as criminal as if
> they'd put a power ballad with that awful 80's DX-7 Rhodes
> piano preset on CotBS (or if Rudolph/Powell had successfully
> carried out their coup and made a disco/funk/fusion HW album
> in '77). If you're gonna have a saxophone in your rock band,
> it's *gotta* have balls! Well-mannered doesn't cut it!
> (Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.)...
Which reminded me about this that came up on the AdrianBelewTribe list
=================================
> > Somebody sent me this snippet from an interview with Pat Metheny.
> > Pat is my new choice for U.S. President.
> > http://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
> >
> > Pat Metheny on Kenny G...
>
> For entertaining and insightful audio commentary on
> Pat's essay, go to:
>
>
http://www.richardthompson-music.com/audio/I_Agree_With_Pat_Metheny.mp3
====================================
Mr. Thompson's contribution nearly left me with an embarassing puddle
under my office chair...
Cheers
Chrisw
ObCD: Richard & Linda Thompson - Hokey Pokey
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From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Oct 25 08:52:36 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:52:36 +0000
Subject: OFF: quarter inch reel to reel tape machine
Message-ID: <MON.25.OCT.2004.125236.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi was wondering if anyone has a quarter inch reel to reel player, and if so
would they be interested in mixing about half a dozen tunes from a master
reel? Drop me a line off list..Peace, Mike Burro
From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 25 19:55:33 2004
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:33 EDT
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
Message-ID: <MON.25.OCT.2004.195533.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:47:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM writes:
I have read many HW articles, interviews, reviews, books and whatever else
but I don't think that I have ever read anything with so many mistakes as
the group's biography that is up on the MP3.com site.
But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit
about Lemmy being on XISOS.
The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this
bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version.
Joe
From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue Oct 26 05:25:03 2004
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:25:03 +0200
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
In-Reply-To: <200410260900.i9Q903rp012104@www.ispnetinc.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.OCT.2004.112503.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..."
Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor....
;-)
Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a
less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate.
anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on:
"They were touring the United States behind the release of the album
when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and
went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band."
whoa ...
Ketil
>But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit
>about Lemmy being on XISOS.
>
>The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this
>bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version.
>
>Joe
>
>
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 26 09:11:45 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:11:45 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
In-Reply-To: <417E17EF.9010801@fiskaren.no>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.OCT.2004.141145.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of
the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John Gorman who
later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of
years back.
They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and Thank You
Very Much (for the Aintree Iron).
More details here:
http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/
Cheers,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen
Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh
"Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..."
Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor....
;-)
Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a
less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate.
anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on:
"They were touring the United States behind the release of the album
when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and
went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band."
whoa ...
Ketil
>But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for the bit
>about Lemmy being on XISOS.
>
>The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw this
>bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny' version.
>
>Joe
>
>
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 09:13:24 2004
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:13:24 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
In-Reply-To: <20041026131148.C301AE00021C@galaxy.systems.pipex.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.OCT.2004.141324.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
ERM !!!
Roger McGough is live and kicking actually, He's just released a new
book of his fantastic poetry.
<G>
Mark Von Bargen wrote on 10/26/2004, 2:11 PM:
> McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of
> the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John
> Gorman who
> later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of
> years back.
> They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and
> Thank You
> Very Much (for the Aintree Iron).
> More details here:
> http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
> Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen
> Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh
>
> "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..."
>
> Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor....
> ;-)
> Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a
> less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate.
>
> anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on:
>
> "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album
> when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and
> went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band."
>
> whoa ...
>
> Ketil
>
>
> >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for
> the bit
> >about Lemmy being on XISOS.
> >
> >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw
> this
> >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny'
> version.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
>
--
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From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 26 09:38:57 2004
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:38:57 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh
In-Reply-To: <417E4D74.6040805@aol.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.OCT.2004.143857.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Oh dear; WHO was it who dies??
Sorry Roger!!
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Iain Ferguson
Sent: 26 October 2004 14:13
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh
ERM !!!
Roger McGough is live and kicking actually, He's just released a new
book of his fantastic poetry.
<G>
Mark Von Bargen wrote on 10/26/2004, 2:11 PM:
> McCartney's younger brother is/was known as Mike McGear - was a member of
> the Scaffold; a group of Liverpool poets which also included John
> Gorman who
> later went on to do kids tv and Roger McGough who passed away a couple of
> years back.
> They had a coupe of fairly serious hit singles - Lily The Pink and
> Thank You
> Very Much (for the Aintree Iron).
> More details here:
> http://iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
> Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen
> Sent: 26 October 2004 10:25
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW: Its A Laugh
>
> "Once back in England, Timothy Brock, Slattery, and ..."
>
> Timothy? surely Dave's younger brother; the composer and conductor....
> ;-)
> Springs to mind: Paul the surviving beatle has a
> less-known-brother-in-the-same-trade (mick?). What a fate.
>
> anyway ... hehe .... and it goes on:
>
> "They were touring the United States behind the release of the album
> when Lemmy was arrested on drug charges. He was fired from the band and
> went on to form (Ex) Cat Heads, a successful and influential metal band."
>
> whoa ...
>
> Ketil
>
>
> >But the thing is, the ORIGINAL review is very accurate, except for
> the bit
> >about Lemmy being on XISOS.
> >
> >The review is from The All Music Guide, or similar title. I first saw
> this
> >bio at Insound.com. I checked back there after I read the 'funny'
> version.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
>
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 26 13:09:50 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:09:50 +0100
Subject: t
In-Reply-To: <200410180442.17070.asg@mvdbase.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.OCT.2004.180950.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
> > In a message dated 17/10/04 23:58:49 GMT Daylight Time,
> > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET
> >
> > writes:
> > > u
> >
> > t
>
> Some people must be incredibly bored.................
>
> (unless this is some sort of secret code I have not yet deciphered!)
>
> It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! I bet it's Desdenova, risen from the grave...
Desdinova isn't dead... Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Recordings_ (no, I'm not sure why either)
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:11:10 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:11:10 +0100
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC09D980BD@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.101110.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Henderson Keith wrote:
> Well, this is in a way on-topic, but only coincidentally.
>
> So, I put on my Virgin (1989) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm CD on the other
> day, and discovered to my horror, that it is 'going bad.' I don't know much
> about the CD rot phenomenon (as I've never had this happen before), but I
> suppose this must be it. It's got a heap of crackly noise at the outset
> during the first bit of SotA, but that quickly dies out when the real song
> kicks in. But then it slowly creeps back toward the end of the album,
> starting again around Days of the Underground. Never gets as bad as the
> first two minutes, but it's enough to be distracting. And the noise is
> louder when the music is louder, and vice versa. It seems strange that it
> appears to creep in from the edges on both sides, but in non-uniform way. I
> mean, the noise propagates just a tiny distance in from the center ring (the
> beginning) through (apparently) the 'Table of Contents' and the first two
> minutes only. But because QSC is 'short' (42 minutes or so), it has a wide
> ring of unused disc space, and the 'rot' seems to have already crept from
> the far edge across this empty zone into the last cm or so of actual music.
> Or am I reading too much into this pattern?
I've had symptoms like this with a few discs here and there, but
it's never been lasting, ad I've always put it down to the discs being
slightly unbalanced. My first CD player was terribly sensitive to this,
and my second didn't have enough clearance in the compartment so you did
know about it when a disc wobbled because its edges would tick against
the casing! But in more substantial machines, this seems to be audible as
a rhythmic static-type fizzing background pulse, which gets louder when
the music does and quieter likewise. It's more pronounced at the ends of
the disc for obvious reasons, but usually it's also something to do with
the ambient temparature and doesn't occur generally. It does sound as
though keith's disc is actually decaying but I feel I should warn against
all such phenomena being permanent.
Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last
time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first
album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through
Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable
crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect
had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the
kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and
soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't
figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so
disastrous for just this one player... Yours,
Jonathan
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:44:11 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:44:11 +0100
Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard,
Walthamstow, 10th October 2004
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I wrote:
"Long awaited, this, after what seemed suspiciously like a slowing
down on the Woronzow label and a new album from the Frond whose
announcement mailout reported how sick Bevis Frond main man and Woronzow
founder Nick Saloman was getting of the music and media businesses. It
made the whole slight uncertainty I've always had that there will be
another Bevis Frond gig rather more nagging. So of course I went," a
friend's marriage, "having kindly ensured that I'd be coming through
London on the right day already.
"I clearly wasn't the only person who felt it was essential as the
Standard was full by the time Outskirts had finished, and among other
people I recognised two-fifths of Litmus, Seaweed from the Ozric Tentacles
and Eliza Skelton from the Nova Express; London's underground was out for
the show.
"I got there just in time for the Outskirts of Infinity,
anyway. They are a psych guitar three-piece, and last time I saw them the
way they worked seemed to be that Terry Horbury (bass) and Ric Gunther
(drumkit with too many floor toms for any one man to use[1]) played the
tunes themselves and occasionally, at the beginning and end of each song
Bari Watts (Hendrix clonery with cigarette tucked under strings at the top
end of the neck) managed to join in from his place somewhere off on
another planet. This is in many ways my ideal way of using the three-piece
format, so it was almost (but not quite) a shame to find them playing more
like a three-person band tonight. Bari was more in touch with what was
going on than last time, Ric unfortunately was less; the rhythm section
was still impressive but not quite as flat-out powerful as they had been
last time. Shame. Still a fine performance from the band as a whole,
however, with the exception of one jam for which Nick Saloman joined them
which didn't really go anywhere. Ric, to his credit, did apparently
realise only he could make it move after a minute or two and gave it a
rhythm but neither guitarist seemed to want to be the one to find a
tune. They could have played ten minutes more actual song instead of
trying that but I suppose it *might* have been the best bit of the gig.
"Setlist was: I'm Only Sleeping, Eyes in the Back of My Head,
Warning to the Curious, Lord of the Dark Skies (this was very good, but it
always is), Meet Me at the Bottom, Jam, You Want Change for your Rerun
(which seemed to have a whole lot of `Hey Joe' squashed into it), Nowhere
Fast. So two Frond numbers but none of their stock covers. Fun anyway.
"I have my reservations about the current line-up of the Bevis
Frond. Everyone in it is excellent, even the newest member, drummer Jules
Fenton, who despite having a pedigree that includes ABC and the Lightning
Seeds hits things very hard, pretty fast and with considered intent.
Adrian Shaw on bass is as consummately understated a bandmate as any
guitarist could want, which is also a pity as he never really gets to play
at full strength in the Frond, but what we get is subtle and very
well-placed. Paul Simmons is an excellent guitarist and I would love to be
able to buy more of his stuff. And Nick is not only one of the world's
finest and most expressive guitarists, but one of the world's most
eloquent founts of lyrical melancholy since Nick Drake. What could go
wrong? Well. The Frond is Nick's band. Everyone there is backing
Nick. This is only really a problem for Paul, who's nearly as good a
guitarist and is wasted playing mainly rhythm. What's worse is that with
Paul there, I don't think Nick is scared enough. He knows there's someone
to back him up and he doesn't stretch himself as a result. I suppose for
all I know he may be vomiting with stage-fright beforehand when he has to
cover guitar by himself, but I've seen him do it once and it was much
better than since. With Paul playing at about 40% strength, and Nick
playing at 80% or so, I suppose we've got more than we would from one
guitarist, such as a guitar lead when Nick plays a sitar as in
`Superseded', and some twin lead (though much less than I'd expect). Nick
could run to one of the organs that so often feature on the Frond's albums
too, but doesn't. I'd sacrifice `Superseded' if it meant Nick playing at
the 100% mark though.
"Anyway, we got: Doing Nothing (good), Hole Song #2 (good), Maybe
(OK), Stoned Train Driver (good), He'd Be a Diamond (good), Lights Are
Changing (OK), Dragons (good but a bit over-long for its strength;
considering most of the others struck me as short, I suspect this isn't a
good sign), Alpha Waves (OK), Stain on the Sun (a bit sub-par to be
honest, Nick's heart didn't seem to be in the vocals, which is probably
not surprising given how much of his happy family were there but still),
Superseeder (excellent--but I do love this song), and lastly something
that might have been called `In No Time', which was a very simple
four-chord number. Just as well as it got all the soloes wedged into it.
"The Frond now do this as part of the routine, introducing the
band in the last number and letting each member take a solo; Paul's was
really the first time he'd been able to cut loose all gig but still left
me slightly underwhelmed, I don't think he's getting enough
practice. Adrian's was mostly delay, which meant he not so much played a
solo as played two tunes on top of each other and then turned them both
into twiddly noise and feedback. Jules's solo was very good; he made a
determined attempt to keep a steady beat going on the high hat throughout
whilst playing all kinds of other rhythms round it, and nearly made it
except that he got too excited towards the end and roped the hat into a
big rool a couple of times. He's definitely proficient though. Nick, who
had punctuated the whole concert with anecdotes about his mates who'd come
to see him[3] or the mediocrity of his past, had told us about first
meeting Bari and on discovering that this then-18-year-old could play a
Stratocaster like Hendrix,[4] electing to play songs instead of trying to
impress him, said he'd do the same thing again, and thus his solo was a
one-man version of `Waving' from New River Head. Then there was kind of
whole-band solo which was a short version of Love's `Signed DC', which was
very good but left out the big break at the end in favour of finally
finishing the track that had begun all the soloes. This track must have
taken twenty-five minutes to play with everything they stuffed into the
middle of it and it was easily the weakest thing they played, so perhaps
it was best that it was so broken up...
"And then an encore! I thought it was Hendrix's `Red House', and
seemingly so did at least Adrian who was definitely playing that. I've
been back and played the Frond track that it actually was, which was
`Medieval Sienese Acid Blues', again since then and I swear the bassline
is different, so Adrian was presumably larking about, but either way, a
fine version of the track left us finally free to leave at just after
eleven thirty, half an hour after they'd sworn they were going to
finish. It was just as well I'd managed to arrange a lift back to
Cambridge... But I went home happy. Not just because of having picked up
four albums for 25 quid including 2 very fine ones but because even if
Outskirts of Infinity hadn't been top-class and the larking about in the
soloes had been the only part of the set that the Frond seemed to
give their full attention to except perhaps `Superseded', it had still
been a good do full of friends having a laugh. Possibly more a party than
a gig, but in that case a fairly successful one."
"[1] Okay. He has two. He did use them both. He does use a big kit though.
"[3] My favourite one was "That's my friend [whoever]! He doesn't know I
can play guitar!" This was half-an-hour into the set, I think the secret
might have been out by then...
"[4] He's still only nine of Hendrix's logarithmic ten so I think Nick
exaggerates, but I can see why he chose not to compete..."
Yours all,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Oct 27 05:48:49 2004
From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:48:49 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.104849.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:38:57 +0100
> From: Mark Von Bargen <atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM>
>
> Oh dear; WHO was it who dies??
> Sorry Roger!!
Adrian Henri, who was anthologised with McGough & Brian Patten in "The Mersey Sound" (probably the most successful of all of the "Penguin Modern Poets" anthologies) and was a member of "The Liverpool Scene" who more successfully combined music and poetry than most. A sweet guy.
http://www.andyrobertsmusic.com/poetry.html
http://home.luna.nl/~poetry/part/41/
And more besides if you go and stick his name into google. Rather splendidly, and unusually these days, the google results really DO have a high signal-to-noise ratio for this search!
Also (I guess comments are already in, but I only get the digest)
R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft)
I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it will only be a "ghost in the machine". Except when on holiday I haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there. I have, however, been an aficionado of his Radio 4 "Home Truths" programme since its inception - true "human interest" broadcasting, untainted by tabloid sleaze or any kind of high-minded looking down.
A true public service broadcaster.
Rock on, John!
ChrisW
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 05:54:33 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:54:33 +0100
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410271001490.17711-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.105433.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 27/10/2004 10:11, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last
> time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first
> album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through
> Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable
> crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect
> had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the
> kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and
> soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't
> figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so
> disastrous for just this one player...
It could be that errors introduced by a somewhat wonky burner are
smoothed out by the hefty error correction that's built in (especially
these days) to consumer audio CD players but that computer CD drives
(not equipped with such error correction features) cough and spit a bit
more when they run into a bit of digital gristle.
In my admittedly non-pro experience, computer CD drives are much more
picky about what they will or won't read than standard audio CD players
(which you have to feed a pretty suspect slab of CD before they start to
run into trouble).
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 05:58:17 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:17 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript
In-Reply-To: <EBD259E53B6F74408D54029AE0D1E0EC01176BBA@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.105817.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 27/10/2004 10:48, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote:
> R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft)
> I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about
> 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it
> will only be a "ghost in the machine". Except when on holiday I
> haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it
> was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there.
That's because in recent years his Radio 1 show (at least the late night
one I sometimes heard -- maybe there were others!?) seemed dedicated to
an experiement along the lines of "How much hideous noise can I possibly
play without getting kicked off the air?" ;) But then, I suppose that
was always part of his job :)
> Rock on, John!
Amen!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 05:58:24 2004
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:24 +0100
Subject: OFF: sappy prog
In-Reply-To: <ee.45b3263.2ea517d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.105824.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Chuck Rosenberg wrote:
> In a message dated 10/18/04 4:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes:
>
> > Caravan got everything I don't like about the whole jam-band thing
> > going. Nice bunch of people, apparently, but I won't complain if I never
> > see them play again. I've certainly never dared try their albums, even
> > though the two biggest fans I know are into much of the same stuff as me
> > (one of them's a death metaller who used to run Rise Above Records
> > website, for heaven's sakes--what?!).
>
> Lee Dorian, wot?? ah, haven't listened to some old Napalm Death or Cathedral
> in a while... (hey, chris??) see ya in a few months, jon? chuck, whose
> appearances are becoming even more seldon than thou...and who's currently on the
> brink of sleep-deprivation delerium, while having to go to work in a few
> hours...withdrawals from alcohol sure are a bitch...if that's what it is... nevermind,
> and this ain't sappy prog - n. death. celebrating my 10-year boc-l
> anniversary, remembering when i was just a wee lad, charles the grinning boy only
> still...who where or what would i be now if i hadn't joined?? c
<snip>
I now feel I have to point out that my mail turnround is currently
down to less than ten days :-) Watch out... But no, I don't know Mr Dorian
himself, just his erstwhile webmaster.
I recently read Stuart Maconie (British music journo)'s
autobiography, which I thoroughly recommend to everyone and not just on
the grounds that it's called _Cider With Roadies_. He has a short but vry
pointed chapter about Napalam Death, with whom he once went on tour. It
doesn't seem to have been a happy experience for anyone concerned, though
Lee doesn't actually feature very much from what I remember. I shan't see
them in the same light again, in any case :-) Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 27 11:34:28 2004
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:34:28 -0400
Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard,
Walthamstow, 10th October 2004
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0410271034190.17711-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.113428.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon Jarrett wrote:
> I wrote:
[Review clipped]
Thanks for the show review. I haven't seen the band with Paul and Jules
in the lineup and it was interesting to hear your take on how Paul and
Nick interact as guitarists. I was hoping they would recreate their
chemistry from the excellent Scorched Earth album, but that was a
record/band that had a more egalitarian focus.
Of course, the Walthamstow gig was just one of a scarce few dates the
Frond has played lately. Gearing up for full-on tour might "unleash the
beasts" so to speak.
Do your reservations about the current lineup extend to Hit Squad? I'd
say it's among their best records thanks in part to the addition of
Jules on drums. Paul's contribution also helps, though he's basically
relegated to a guest role a la Bari Watts on previous Frond albums.
Brian
---
Brian Halligan
blackblade at bhalligan.com
"I?m voting for myself because I don?t believe anybody else can
represent me as well as I can represent myself." -Robert Anton Wilson
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 27 12:51:07 2004
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:51:07 -0400
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <417F7059.7090207@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.125107.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 05:54, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 27/10/2004 10:11, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> > Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last
> > time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first
> > album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through
> > Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable
> > crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect
> > had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the
> > kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and
> > soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't
> > figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so
> > disastrous for just this one player...
>
> It could be that errors introduced by a somewhat wonky burner are
> smoothed out by the hefty error correction that's built in (especially
> these days) to consumer audio CD players but that computer CD drives
> (not equipped with such error correction features) cough and spit a bit
> more when they run into a bit of digital gristle.
>
> In my admittedly non-pro experience, computer CD drives are much more
> picky about what they will or won't read than standard audio CD players
> (which you have to feed a pretty suspect slab of CD before they start to
> run into trouble).
Both consumer audio and computer CD players have the same
error-correction abilities (unless you're speaking about "anti-skip"
buffering used in portable CD players, which is a different kettle of
fish). The major difference between consumer audio and computer CD
players is the quality of the transport: it's usually worse in the
computer unit, due to less well-engineered and constructed components.
A poorer transport will increase the raw error rate coming off the disc
(e.g., because it doesn't track the data spiral as well due to an
inferior quality stepper motor), leading to an increased likelihood of
uncorrectable block errors, which will manifest itself in audible
defects.
Also, the primary function of a computer CD-ROM drive is to read data
CDs, which do have extra redundancy to help out. (That's why data CDs
have 2048 bytes of data per sector vs. 2352 bytes of data per audio CD
sector.)
Cheers,
Paul.
--
Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot...
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 27 12:56:46 2004
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:56:46 +0100
Subject: OFF: CD Rot
In-Reply-To: <1098895865.6202.15.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.175646.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 27 Oct 2004, at 17:51, Paul Mather wrote:
> The major difference between consumer audio and computer CD
> players is the quality of the transport: it's usually worse in the
> computer unit, due to less well-engineered and constructed components.
Ah, well, that would explain the finicky computer units then!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 13:17:01 2004
From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (Alan Linsley)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:17:01 +0100
Subject: OFF: Florida Voting
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.181701.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I know it's predictable but I just never get tired of this sort of
thing -
http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Latest-News/BoomChicagoVotingMachine
AL
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 27 13:57:17 2004
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:57:17 -0400
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.135717.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:58:17 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
wrote:
>On 27/10/2004 10:48, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote:
>> R.I.P. John Peel (n? Ravenscroft)
>> I shed some tears. Peel's been part of my soundscape for about
>> 35 years, it's hard to believe that if I hear his voice again it
>> will only be a "ghost in the machine".
Last night's playlist:
- "Children of the Sun" by the Misunderstood (not a Peel session, but
he "discovered" them when he lived in Riverside, CA circa 1966, and they
moved to England on his advice, even staying with his mum for a week!)
- Stiff Little Fingers (3 78/79 sessions)
- Pink Fairies (70 session)
- The Damned (2 77 sessions)
- Mudhoney (89 session plus "Urban Guerilla" from 2002 session)
- Joy Division (79 session)
- Wire (that 79 session with one 15-minute song)
- Can (73 session)
- Hawkwind (side 1 of 'Text of Festival' with 70/71 sessions)
- Kevin Ayers & This Whole World (70 session)
- Soft Machine (the classic 1969 "Moon In June" session)
And yes, I was bawling like a baby when Robert Wyatt sang, "Tell me how
would you feel / In the place of John Peel? / You just can't please all the
musicians all the time ...".
>> Except when on holiday I
>> haven't heard his Radio 1 show too much in recent years, but it
>> was always a refuge, it was great to know that it was there.
>
>That's because in recent years his Radio 1 show (at least the late night
>one I sometimes heard -- maybe there were others!?) seemed dedicated to
>an experiement along the lines of "How much hideous noise can I possibly
>play without getting kicked off the air?" ;)
... nor, apparently, all the listeners. ;^)
Not that I liked all of his recent choices, but I'm not sure how one could
consider (say) the Strokes to be "hideous noise". "Way-too-blatantly-
derivative-guitar-rock", sure, but ...
And I always appreciated the fact that even obscure bands from Oakland (or
wherever) that friends of mine were in could get played on his show because
they *made good music* (again, including incredibly poppy stuff as far
removed from "hideous noise" as one can imagine). Not because they were
cute, trendy, MOJO- (or NME-) favorites, or had big publicity budgets.
It's sad that he was such an exception in that he actually *listened* to
the music he received, and made the decision to play it based on his own
opinions instead of selecting tunes from the computer-generated playlist
like every other major radio DJ in the world is forced to do.
>But then, I suppose that was always part of his job :)
That was the common reaction in 1977, when he decided he wasn't going to
spend his whole life playing the same-old-same-old!
>> Rock on, John!
>
>Amen!
Amen, indeed. The greatest radio DJ ever, no question.
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Oct 27 14:43:56 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:43:56 +0000
Subject: OFF: Mike Burro 'all hallows' solo performance: Friday,
Free!!! Borders Books!
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.184356.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Greeting friends,
I'm going to venture out 'solo' for the first time in a long while.
I'll be performing at Borders Books, in Mays Landing, New Jersey, this
coming Friday night,
October 29th, as part of their 'Garden State Songwriters Songshare' event.
Consider it an 'all hollows' appearance! The music starts at 8PM..
For complete information visit:
http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193
All the very best..Mike Burro ( The One Eyed Bishops )
http://www.freewebs.com/oebs
Borders Books & Music
2200 Wrangleboro Rd.
Mays Landing, NJ
(609) 407-1960
* see website for map and directions
From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 14:46:36 2004
From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (Alan Linsley)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:46:36 +0100
Subject: HW: Its A Laugh (becoming more sombre )postscript
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004102713571754@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.194636.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Andy Kershaw was interviewed on Channel 4 news last night and stated
that the last time he saw him (about 3 weeks ago) Peel looked awful.
Peel confirmed he *felt* awful and complained that being bumped to the
11pm - 1am slot on R1 wasn't doing him any good at all. Kershaw pretty
much suggested the BBC schedulers had killed him off. Controversial...
AL
--- Doug Pearson <jasret at MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:
<loadsa stuff but basically>
> Amen, indeed. The greatest radio DJ ever, no question.
>
> -Doug
> jasret at mindspring.com
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 27 16:57:43 2004
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:57:43 -0400
Subject: BOC:at Hot Topic???
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041023144441.021b2298@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <WED.27.OCT.2004.165743.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jason Scruton wrote:
> Went in there with some friends searching for suitably garish./cheesy
> apprarel for the 31st, and on the wall of T shirts there was the BOC
> tour
> shirt from 77, black with the logo on the front and the bandname all
> down
> the back.
So which band member circa Spectres are you going as for Halloween? ;-)
Brian
---
Brian Halligan
blackblade at bhalligan.com
"I?m voting for myself because I don?t believe anybody else can
represent me as well as I can represent myself." -Robert Anton Wilson
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 02:20:09 2004
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:20:09 EDT
Subject: Warrior CD...
Message-ID: <THU.28.OCT.2004.022009.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4046873289&
ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Currently ?17.00.
Steve.
From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Thu Oct 28 20:06:07 2004
From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:06:07 -0700
Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2002
Message-ID: <THU.28.OCT.2004.170607.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
finally got this and just put it on
still many of the same old Hawkwind sounds we have all come to love
:)
anticipating the rest of this thing to be more varied!
From Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE Thu Oct 28 13:56:54 2004
From: Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE (Wilfried Schuesler)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:56:54 +0200
Subject: AW: Hawkfest 2002
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041028170400.00a0ca10@mail.chello.no>
Message-ID: <THU.28.OCT.2004.195654.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Great to hear that, enjoy and please leave feedback as well...
Wilfried
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im
Auftrag von Christian
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 02:06
An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Betreff: HW: Hawkfest 2002
finally got this and just put it on
still many of the same old Hawkwind sounds we have all come to love
:)
anticipating the rest of this thing to be more varied!
From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 28 15:06:53 2004
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:06:53 -0400
Subject: OFF: John Peel / Delia Derbyshire
Message-ID: <THU.28.OCT.2004.150653.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Delia Derbyshire (BBC Radio Workshop and Space Music pioneer)
made a wonderful electronically processed recording using John's voice in
1969....
Thought it might prove topical to listen to......
MP3 Link on this page:
http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/recordings.php
Enjoy and savour John's unique voice one last time....
Rik
From youless at COX.NET Fri Oct 29 12:29:03 2004
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:29:03 -0400
Subject: HW: Bournemouth?
Message-ID: <FRI.29.OCT.2004.122903.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Does anyone have a gig report and / or setlist from Hawkwind's Bournemouth
gig last night? Or from Cheltenham last weekend, for that matter?
Cheers
Steve
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 12:10:37 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:10:37 +0000
Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29
Message-ID: <SAT.30.OCT.2004.161037.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was
somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many solo
acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band situation for
what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal security'
and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage.
For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me
personally and artistically than one would have imagined.
I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no one
to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into the
slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and
collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for myself,
to re-evaluate.
Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When you're
solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up,
especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi
acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of tunes
appears below: Peace, Mike Burro
http://www.freewebs.com/oebs
Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04
Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals
On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson)
The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro)
Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) *
From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Oct 30 19:51:08 2004
From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:51:08 -0400
Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29
Message-ID: <SAT.30.OCT.2004.195108.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sounds like you had a good time, Mike, glad it went well. Isn't `Rolling & Tumbling' generally credited to Muddy Waters?
tim 8>)...
Burro Mike wrote:
>
> Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was
> somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many solo
> acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band situation for
> what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal security'
> and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage.
> For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me
> personally and artistically than one would have imagined.
>
> I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no one
> to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into the
> slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and
> collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for myself,
> to re-evaluate.
>
> Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When you're
> solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up,
> especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi
> acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of tunes
> appears below: Peace, Mike Burro
> http://www.freewebs.com/oebs
>
> Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04
>
> Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals
>
> On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson)
> The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro)
> Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) *
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 20:48:07 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:48:07 +0000
Subject: Sloterdijk/Scattered Planets gig flyer/ press article for
November 13th
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.004807.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS
Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse',
Crosswicks, New Jersey
Saturday, November 13th!!
To print a flyer click the URL below
http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf
To read the story which is running is at Only Punjab.com's news service see:
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004-insight-Spacerock+Band+to+Play+Hometown+Crowd-status-20-newsID-60.html
To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to:
http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org
SLOTERDIJK websites:
http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk
http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk
SCATTERED PLANETS website:
http://www.scatteredplanets.com
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Oct 30 20:50:18 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:50:18 +0000
Subject: Sloterdijk/Scattered Planets gig flyer for November 13th
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.005018.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS
Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse',
Crosswicks, New Jersey
Saturday, November 13th!!
To print a flyer click the URL below
http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf
To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to:
http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org
SLOTERDIJK websites:
http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk
http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk
SCATTERED PLANETS website:
http://www.scatteredplanets.com
SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS
Together again at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse',
Crosswicks, New Jersey
Saturday, November 13th!!
To print a flyer click the URL below
http://www.brainstatik.com/cc111304.pdf
To read the story which is running is at Only Punjab.com's news service see:
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004-insight-Spacerock+Band+to+Play+Hometown+Crowd-status-20-newsID-60.html
To visit the Cosmic Coffeehouse website click to:
http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org
SLOTERDIJK websites:
http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk
http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk
SCATTERED PLANETS website:
http://www.scatteredplanets.com
From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sun Oct 31 14:22:57 2004
From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:22:57 -0000
Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.192257.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
There was an article in the Ecosse section of the Sunday Times which reads
...
"DIRGES TO DIE FOR
Ian Rankin, author of the Inspector Rebus series, has been musing on his
funeral - hardly surprising when your daily grind is penning novels about
Burke, Hare and corpses in Edinburgh Vennels.
He's been deciding on the music he'll play. Before his ashes are scattered
on Arthur's Seat, Rankin wants the service at Cluny Church in Morningside to
begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know hates
Hawkwind". Then there'll be Death is Not the End by Bob Dylan ("When the
cities are on fire with the burning flesh of men/just remember that death is
not the end"). Third is You Can't Always Get What You Want by the Rolling
Stones.
These are very much the choices of the middle-aged rock bore: Hawkwind to
demonstrate that the departed never lost their crazy, outlaw side; Dylan to
show that despite never losing their outlaw side, the departed was capable
of deep reflection; the Stones to make a wry comment on the transcience of
things.
All of which got me musing on my own soundtrack. I'm having the David
Bowie's The Laughing Gnome, the third movement of the Eroica symphony - and
the bleak music of inconsolable grief."
From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 31 14:35:08 2004
From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:35:08 -0000
Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.193508.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Taylor" <Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM>
- and
> the bleak music of inconsolable grief."
that'll be the sobbing lady on the Church of Hawkwind album
> begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know
> hates
> Hawkwind".
Dammit - I've gone right off Ian Rankin now - didn't I always say
he was just an ignorant student with no proper sense of
values......
jill
======================================
Jill Strobridge <jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk>
======================================
From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Oct 31 18:04:06 2004
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:04:06 -0500
Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times
In-Reply-To: <013001c4bf80$bc728f40$6565a8c0@sherlock>; from
jill.strobridge@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Sun, Oct 31,
2004 at 07:35:08PM -0000
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.180406.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:35:08PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote:
> > begin with Silver Machine by Hawkwind, because "everybody I know
> > hates
> > Hawkwind".
>
> Dammit - I've gone right off Ian Rankin now - didn't I always say
> he was just an ignorant student with no proper sense of
> values......
He only said that "everybody he knows" hates Hawkwind. I
could almost say the same thing...
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sun Oct 31 18:45:41 2004
From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:45:41 -0500
Subject: The Second Either
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.184541.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey all,
I just created a new website Forum for discussing
Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about
anything else. Most of us there are budding space rock
musicians and you are most welcome indeed to join in!
The Second Ether Forum can be found at:
http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Corum
Cheers for now
Chris
From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sun Oct 31 19:04:22 2004
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:04:22 -0500
Subject: The Second Either
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2004103118454155@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.190422.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Jade man <chrisow at SHAW.CA>:
> Hey all,
>
> I just created a new website Forum for discussing
> Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about
> anything else.
We certainly don't want any of THAT discussed on THIS mailing list!
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines
joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings
as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered"
Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 31 22:19:41 2004
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:19:41 -0500
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations October 2004 Issue Online NOW!!!
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.221941.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
THE OCTOBER 2004 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS IS ONLINE NOW
The October 2004 issue (#29) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For
SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock,
Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of
Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below.
The October 2004 issue of Aural Innovations includes:
Mushroom review and interview
Burg Herzberg Festival 2004 Breitenbach (Hessen), Germany July 15-18, 2004 &
photo gallery
Herzberg Goes Wilhelmsthal M?hra July 22-25, 2004 & photo gallery
Swamp Room Happening Kafe Kult, Munich Germany September 18, 2004
Sziget Festival ?budai-Sziget, Budapest, Hungary August 5-8, 2004
Space Rock Con 2004, Cullman, Alabama, September 24, 2004 photo gallery
Tales Of The Action Man: I Want You To Die, Vol. 1
Live Recordings & Shows
Recent Releases from Leafhound Records
Recent Releases from Smog Veil Records
Recent Releases from Garden of Delights
Recent Releases from Freakophonic Records
Recent Releases from Molten Records
Recent Releases from Orpheus Records
Recent Releases from Musea Records
And loads of reviews!!!
You can go directly to the new issue at:
http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue29/issue29.html
All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Oct 31 22:26:44 2004
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Mike Burro)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:26:44 -0500
Subject: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29
Message-ID: <SUN.31.OCT.2004.222644.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:51:08 -0400, Tim <ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET> wrote:
>Sounds like you had a good time, Mike, glad it went well. Isn't `Rolling &
Tumbling' generally credited to Muddy Waters?
>tim 8>)...
>Burro Mike wrote:
> >
> > Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was
> > somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many
solo
> > acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band
situation for
> > what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal
security'
> > and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the stage.
> > For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for me
> > personally and artistically than one would have imagined.
> >
> > I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with no
one
> > to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into
the
> > slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and
> > collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for
myself,
> > to re-evaluate.
> >
> > Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When
you're
> > solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up,
> > especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi
> > acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of
tunes
> > appears below: Peace, Mike Burro
> > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs
> >
> > Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04
> >
> > Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals
> >
> > On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson)
> > The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro)
> > Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) *
Yes, Muddy played it and made it famous, but to my knowledge it has always
remained an 'author unknown' piece of blues...peace, mike