From chrisow at SHAW.CA Mon Nov 1 16:16:38 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:16:38 -0500 Subject: The Second Either Message-ID: David, Was not intending to cause offence. I Thought it might be complimentary to this list not competitive to it!!! Cheers Chris From chrisow at SHAW.CA Mon Nov 1 16:22:54 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:22:54 -0500 Subject: The Second Either Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:04:22 -0500, David Kuznick wrote: >Quoting Jade man : > >> Hey all, >> >> I just created a new website Forum for discussing >> Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about >> anything else. > >We certainly don't want any of THAT discussed on THIS mailing list! > >-- >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >"We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines >joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings >as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" > Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL David, Was not intending to cause offence. I Thought it might be complimentary to this list not competitive to it!!! Cheers Chris From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 1 17:02:30 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:02:30 +0000 Subject: The Second Either In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01 Nov 2004, at 21:22, Jade man wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:04:22 -0500, David Kuznick > wrote: >> Quoting Jade man : >>> I just created a new website Forum for discussing >>> Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about >>> anything else. >> >> We certainly don't want any of THAT discussed on THIS mailing list! > > Was not intending to cause offence. > I Thought it might be complimentary to this list not competitive to > it!!! False alarm, space warrior! Only a humourous sarcasm detection failure :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Nov 1 18:12:55 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:12:55 -0500 Subject: The Second Either Message-ID: Yes, and we can all use more compliments! tim 8>)... Jade man wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:04:22 -0500, David Kuznick > wrote: > > >Quoting Jade man : > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> I just created a new website Forum for discussing > >> Moorcock, Hawkwind, Sci-fi, Space Rock and just about > >> anything else. > > > >We certainly don't want any of THAT discussed on THIS mailing list! > > > >-- > >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > >"We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines > >joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings > >as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" > > Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL > > David, > > Was not intending to cause offence. > I Thought it might be complimentary to this list not competitive to it!!! > > Cheers > Chris From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Nov 2 11:08:37 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:08:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mike Burro's solo 'All Hollows eve' show, 11/29 : 'Rollin & Tumblin' Message-ID: Tim , here's the story of the authorship of 'Rollin & Tumblin', in a nutshell. You're right that Muddy Waters is often credited as the author, but this is somewhat misleading, as he may have been credited with HIS version. Here's the story: Peace, Mike Rollin' and Tumblin' Lyrics: Traditional Music: Traditional The best known version of this song is by Muddy Waters, but it goes back earlier than that. Hambone Willie Newbern did an early version and is sometimes credited as the author. But it seems likely that its origins predate that. > >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:26:44 -0500 >From: Mike Burro >Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Mike Burro 'all hollows' solo acoustic mini-set 10/29 > >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:51:08 -0400, Tim wrote: > > >Sounds like you had a good time, Mike, glad it went well. Isn't `Rolling >& >Tumbling' generally credited to Muddy Waters? > >tim 8>)... > >Burro Mike wrote: > > > > > > Having not performed solo acoustic in nearly 16 months; last night was > > > somehwhat mentally challenging for me. Of course I've performed many >solo > > > acoustic shows in the past, but playing exclusively in a band >situation for > > > what seems like an age now has made me realize how much 'personal >security' > > > and 'self confidence' comes from just seeing other bodies on the >stage. > > > For this reason, last night's mini-set became a much bigger deal for >me > > > personally and artistically than one would have imagined. > > > > > > I had not performed in such a 'stripped' manner for awhile, and with >no >one > > > to deflect to, everything was all on me again. I knew this going into >the > > > slot, and wrestled with the lack of comfort that my bandmates, and > > > collaborators offer me. This was something I felt I needed to do for >myself, > > > to re-evaluate. > > > > > > Happily, it was a great success, and I had a good time playing. When >you're > > > solo acoustic there is absolutely no where to hide if you screw up, > > > especially when you're playing slide, so I look forward to more 'semi > > > acoustic' solo and group performances in the future. The short list of >tunes > > > appears below: Peace, Mike Burro > > > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > > > > > Borders Books, Mays Landing , New Jersey 10/29/04 > > > > > > Mike Burro: hollow body electric guitar, *=slide & vocals > > > > > > On The Road Again ( Jones/Wilson) > > > The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro) > > > Rolling & Tumbling ( Unknown) * > >Yes, Muddy played it and made it famous, but to my knowledge it has always >remained an 'author unknown' piece of blues...peace, mike > >------------------------------ > >End of BOC-L Digest - 31 Oct 2004 to 1 Nov 2004 (#2004-274) >*********************************************************** From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Nov 2 11:31:34 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:31:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: 1/2 inch 8 Track Master Reel ( seeking help with mixdown and production ) Message-ID: Hi all, I have a Master Ampex 10.5 half inch 8 track Master reel which I've kept in pristine shape since the sessions in 1987. There are 6 tunes in all, with the original track notes etc. I'm trying to see if anyone has a compatible piece of equipment, who might be interested in doing a re-mix project. These are excellent quality recordings, done in a professional studio, by the first band I fronted, 'The Observation' in 1987. There were two sessions, with three tunes recorded in each session..All the best...Mike Burro http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk PS: Here's a link to today's version of the same tape: http://www.synthtopia.com/items/Ampex/AMX456273111.htm http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk From personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM Tue Nov 2 12:18:40 2004 From: personal at PORRIDGEPOT.COM (Colin Watt) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:18:40 -0500 Subject: HW:Ian Rankin in today's Sunday Times Message-ID: he actually *loves* hawkwind From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Nov 2 13:17:52 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Keith V. Kniveton) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:17:52 -0000 Subject: 1/2 inch 8 Track Master Reel ( seeking help with mixdown and production ) Message-ID: Hello Mike, I have a Fostex 16 track which I've used to mix down 8 track half-inch tapes of Hawkwind (track1 of the tape appears on tracks 1&2 of the 16 track etc). Tape speed is 15ips. Any use? KK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burro Mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: OFF: 1/2 inch 8 Track Master Reel ( seeking help with mixdown and production ) > Hi all, > I have a Master Ampex 10.5 half inch 8 track Master reel which I've kept in > pristine shape since the sessions in 1987. There are 6 tunes in all, with > the original track notes etc. I'm trying to see if anyone has a compatible > piece of equipment, who might be interested in doing a re-mix project. > > These are excellent quality recordings, done in a professional studio, by > the first band I fronted, 'The Observation' in 1987. There were two > sessions, with three tunes recorded in each session..All the best...Mike > Burro > > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk > > PS: Here's a link to today's version of the same tape: > http://www.synthtopia.com/items/Ampex/AMX456273111.htm > > > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 2 15:06:07 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:06:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: 1/2 inch 8 Track Master Reel ( seeking help with mixdown and production ) Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:31:34 +0000, Burro Mike wrote: >Hi all, >I have a Master Ampex 10.5 half inch 8 track Master reel which I've kept >in pristine shape since the sessions in 1987. There are 6 tunes in all, >with the original track notes etc. I'm trying to see if anyone has a >compatible piece of equipment, who might be interested in doing a re-mix >project. > >These are excellent quality recordings, done in a professional studio, by >the first band I fronted, 'The Observation' in 1987. There were two >sessions, with three tunes recorded in each session..All the best...Mike >Burro I have a Tascam 80-8 that's biased for 456 (although it will still be helpful if there are test tones so I can verify the bias). With a Tascam board of the same vintage (M50, IIRC), plus decent compressors (RNC, Symetrix, UREI) and EQ (Symetrix, again). However, Ampex tape from the 80s will *definitely* have to be baked (even if it's been stored in a dark, dry location) before threading it into a tape machine, or most of it will be left all over the heads/transport in the form of black, sticky, gunk. The only thing is that, being too busy for my own good, I can't promise a rapid turnaround for certain. But I like mixing stuff :^). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 2 16:32:54 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:32:54 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Arthur Brown material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Steve Youles wrote: > Very timely, this. I've very recently added a review of Arthur's albums to > Starfarer's Hawkwind Page. It's written (not by me) from and for a > Hawkwind fan's persepctive: > > http://www.starfarer.net/solowrks12.html I like that page, and would mostly agree with the reviews. It doesn't go further forward than 1974, however, which is a pity as it's with the later stuff I'd appreciate the guidance. Certainly the self- titled Crazy World album is a classic, if with some odd choices of material which the review explains, and I'm glad to see that someone other than me thinks _Kingdom Come_ is a more satisfying album than _Galactic Zoo Dossier_ (not that the latter isn't amazing, it's just more ethereally so and there's considerably more to get one's rock teeth into on the former). But this is what puzzles me, here's this man who in the 70s was so full of odd rhythms that he decided a drum machine would be better than drummer because of being able to switch between them effortlessly and we finish up now with a live unit with almost no percussion at all and very very simple rhythms indeed. Odd. I should have got the album by him and Jimmy Carl Black as I imagine it doesn't suffer from this. But there's another ten odd listed on (top domain name!) and I wonder what they're all like... Yours, Jon ObCD: Litmus - _You Are Here_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Nov 2 18:12:39 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:12:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Message-ID: + ++ Greetings Star Warriors + + + + + If you are a HAWKWIND passport holder, please visit Mission Control and update your details IF your data has changed since you registered. Click on the link on our UPDATES page to make your changes. Please leave the subject line unaltered. Note that this link is for updates only, so please just supply the data only. New registrations should follow the 'new registrations' link We have a very special item for PASSPORT HOLDERS ONLY that will be available soon, so we need your corrected info ASAP If you do not have your Passport number, please supply your name and phone number. + ++ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + + + ++ ++ www.hawkwind.com From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 3 07:31:31 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:31:31 -0000 Subject: HW: HW in advert Message-ID: >From TotalRock newsletter "SPIRIT OF THE SQUARE Hawkwind classic 'Spirit Of The Age' is to be used on the new TV advert for alcopop Red Square. The commercial itself has been developed by Slinky Animation." Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Nov 3 11:15:16 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:15:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: 2 excellent NAZZ shows: 11/10 & 11/12 only $5.00 ( really worth seeing) Message-ID: Hi everyone, If you want a chance to see 'The Nazz' at some decent clubs with decent prices ( both $5.00) check out the following dates: Wed 11/10 'Brownies' : 38th St. Philadelphia PA http://www.brownies38thstreet.com/ The Nazz Janet Bessler Alex Leviene This is a going to be a great show. Not only do you get to see Stewkey do his thing with 'The Nazz', but these are excellent suppoting acts. I can't say enough good things about 'Janet Bessler'. The woman can really sing, and has a powerhouse stage presence. Alex Leviene has been around for a long time, so if you want a real night of 'Philly rock-n-roll' go see this show!!! 11/12 AJs Sports Bar, Levittown PA http://www.ajsportsbar.com/fridaybands.html If you live in Bucks county PA, or anywhere near Trenton NJ or the other side of the Delaware river, you should go see The NAZZ at this venue. Both these shows have the ticket price of yore..For $5.00 you can't go wrong with either or both shows!!! THE OFFICIAL NAZZ website URL: http://www.stewkey.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 3 12:11:14 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:11:14 -0500 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <0ad101c4c1a1$0cbced20$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:31:31PM -0000, Si Halley wrote: > Hawkwind classic 'Spirit Of The Age' is to be used on the new TV advert for alcopop Red Square. The commercial itself has been > developed by Slinky Animation." Whenever a HW gig is announced, I find myself really wishing I lived in the UK (and start imagining ways to move there). But every once in a while, a reason comes up to be glad I *don't*. This is one of the latter :-/ I mean, the exposure is nice and all, but really! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 3 12:31:47 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:31:47 -0500 Subject: HW: HW in advert Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:11:14 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:31:31PM -0000, Si Halley wrote: >> Hawkwind classic 'Spirit Of The Age' is to be used on the new TV >> advert for alcopop Red Square. The commercial itself has been >> developed by Slinky Animation." > >Whenever a HW gig is announced, I find myself really wishing I >lived in the UK (and start imagining ways to move there). But >every once in a while, a reason comes up to be glad I *don't*. > >This is one of the latter :-/ > >I mean, the exposure is nice and all, but really! I suppose it would be nicer if it was for a product I actually had an interest in consuming :^) (I probably would've seriously considered buying a Mazda, if the ad hadn't come out a year after I'd just bought a new car). But definitely a good thing if Dave & Bob's families benefit from it. Does anyone know which version of the song is being used? It would be rather ironic if you could hear the original one (which would hopefully then provide some extra cash to Ade, Simon & Simon, too) on the adverts, but still couldn't legitimately purchase a new copy of the album it's on! And who knows, maybe this will do for Hawkwind's career what those ads did for Nick Drake's ... ! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Nov 3 12:59:19 2004 From: John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:59:19 +0000 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to the following link, it's not Spirit of the Age that is being used but Silver Machine. http://www.halewood-int.com/hawkwind.htm Seems a somewhat strange choice as it was only used in that Mazda ad a couple of years ago. Still, any publicity is good publicity especially with gigs and an album on the way. John Doug Pearson wrote: >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:11:14 -0500, Eric Siegerman >wrote: > > > >>On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:31:31PM -0000, Si Halley wrote: >> >> >>>Hawkwind classic 'Spirit Of The Age' is to be used on the new TV >>>advert for alcopop Red Square. The commercial itself has been >>>developed by Slinky Animation." >>> >>> >>Whenever a HW gig is announced, I find myself really wishing I >>lived in the UK (and start imagining ways to move there). But >>every once in a while, a reason comes up to be glad I *don't*. >> >>This is one of the latter :-/ >> >>I mean, the exposure is nice and all, but really! >> >> > >I suppose it would be nicer if it was for a product I actually had an >interest in consuming :^) (I probably would've seriously considered buying >a Mazda, if the ad hadn't come out a year after I'd just bought a new >car). But definitely a good thing if Dave & Bob's families benefit from it. > >Does anyone know which version of the song is being used? It would be >rather ironic if you could hear the original one (which would hopefully >then provide some extra cash to Ade, Simon & Simon, too) on the adverts, >but still couldn't legitimately purchase a new copy of the album it's on! > >And who knows, maybe this will do for Hawkwind's career what those ads did >for Nick Drake's ... ! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > From gg at SIO4.COM Wed Nov 3 13:00:13 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:00:13 +0100 Subject: T-Shirt Message-ID: I always would like to have an HW tshirt, but it seems impossible to find one out in this world! I asked to our typo/lyto customer, and said that it is possible to print a low number (about 50 pieces) of t-shirt at reasonable price (less than 10 eur at piece). I could keep some pieces for me and then sell at price of cost (I don't need to earn by that) the other to my hawkfan friends. Now, what do you think about that? I could meet the hunger of the hawkwind members? The t-shirt that I would like to print is black with white stamps; on the front i'd like to have the little logo (the 2-headed hawk) and on the back the the big shield, the one on the Doremi cover. If there's no problem to print them, is someone out there who would like to have this shirt? ciao!, gg From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 3 13:00:53 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:00:53 -0000 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One wonder whether this is why the release of the single was delayed? Maybe either the ad campaign was put back or a better label deal was dependent on getting the advert? While I would generally tend to agree with Bill Hicks on artists appearing in adverts (see 'Artistic Roll Call' on the 'Rant In E-Minor' Album), I'll always cut HW some slack in such matters as they so rarely get the exposure and recognition they deserve. I don't see any way in which this can be a bad thing for the band. Worst case: the campaign fails, HW don't get used for any more ads and the single/album sales are no better than they would've been. Best case: the single is a massive hit, album sales are way up accordingly and HW get to do a sell-out tour of lots of major venues. Can't see the down-side of that, other than for those folk who would rather HW stayed as our little underground secret and don't want to them achieve any mass appeal. Nick From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 3 13:32:05 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:32:05 -0000 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <20041103171114.GA16198@telepres.com> Message-ID: For more details, click on the following link: http://www.halewood-int.com/hawkwind.htm Halewood International's worldwide base is about 5 minutes drive from my house. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: 03 November 2004 17:11 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: HW in advert On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:31:31PM -0000, Si Halley wrote: > Hawkwind classic 'Spirit Of The Age' is to be used on the new TV advert for alcopop Red Square. The commercial itself has been > developed by Slinky Animation." Whenever a HW gig is announced, I find myself really wishing I lived in the UK (and start imagining ways to move there). But every once in a while, a reason comes up to be glad I *don't*. This is one of the latter :-/ I mean, the exposure is nice and all, but really! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Nov 3 19:05:02 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:05:02 -0700 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <20041103183207.64B15E0000CD@blaster.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: Did this beverage always feature a double-headed hawk on the label or is this part of the tie in? Another Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mark Von Bargen Subject: Re: HW: HW in advert For more details, click on the following link: http://www.halewood-int.com/hawkwind.htm Halewood International's worldwide base is about 5 minutes drive from my house. Mark From gg at SIO4.COM Thu Nov 4 03:14:05 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:14:05 +0100 Subject: T-Shirt In-Reply-To: <1001796050.20041103190013@manoweb.com> Message-ID: Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > I could meet the hunger of the hawkwind members? ehhmm... sorry for my english, it's very long time that i don't write some good english i mean: I could met the anger of the band member? (I don't wanna be eat by someone...) From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 4 05:24:40 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:24:40 +0000 Subject: T-Shirt In-Reply-To: <1622681892.20041104091405@manoweb.com> Message-ID: Hi Pierluigi, I no little about the law... But I guess you could say that you'd get slapped a bit if you started printing Hawkwind Tee-Shirts. It would be illegal as the name Hawkwind is a Trade mark & Copywrited by Dave Brock. If you start printing Tee-shirts up, you will most likley end up in Court like Nik did when he tried to trade his band of old members under the name X-hawkwind. having read the bitter "saga of" i'd stay way clear of any form of bootlegging these days, the tee shirt idea being one of them. Hey, its sounds like a cool tee-shirt mind, always fancied a descrete double headed eagle on the front myself... iain Pierluigi Fumi wrote on 11/4/2004, 8:14 AM: > Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > > > I could meet the hunger of the hawkwind members? > > ehhmm... sorry for my english, it's very long time that i don't write > some good english > > i mean: > > I could met the anger of the band member? > (I don't wanna be eat by someone...) > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 4 06:55:46 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:25:46 +1030 Subject: T-Shirt Message-ID: I would contact Dave & Kris regarding that t-shirt idea and if they don't respond take it as a no. But if you really want a hawkwind t-shirt - a real Hawkwind one, again, contact Dave & Kris and tell them you want to buy one. No doubt they would have some for sale. They seemed to have quite a variety of them at the Amsterdam gig in 2003. Perhaps they still have some. and on that note it would be outstanding if that online hawkwind merchandise order page ever happened. I'm sure its in the ether tho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: Re: T-Shirt > Hi Pierluigi, > > I no little about the law... But > I guess you could say that you'd get slapped a bit if you started > printing Hawkwind Tee-Shirts. > It would be illegal as the name Hawkwind is a Trade mark & Copywrited by > Dave Brock. > If you start printing Tee-shirts up, you will most likley end up in > Court like Nik did when he tried to trade his band of old members under > the name X-hawkwind. > > having read the bitter "saga of" i'd stay way clear of any form of > bootlegging these days, the tee shirt idea being one of them. > > Hey, its sounds like a cool tee-shirt mind, always fancied a descrete > double headed eagle on the front myself... > > iain > > > Pierluigi Fumi wrote on 11/4/2004, 8:14 AM: > > > Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > > > > > I could meet the hunger of the hawkwind members? > > > > ehhmm... sorry for my english, it's very long time that i don't write > > some good english > > > > i mean: > > > > I could met the anger of the band member? > > (I don't wanna be eat by someone...) > > > From gg at SIO4.COM Thu Nov 4 08:41:38 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:41:38 +0100 Subject: T-Shirt In-Reply-To: <001301c4c265$38e34380$eec98890@homer> Message-ID: Muad'Dib wrote: > I would contact Dave & Kris regarding that t-shirt idea and if they don't > respond take it as a no. ok, thanks for your help > Amsterdam gig in 2003. Perhaps they still have some. i hope! From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Nov 4 18:24:13 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:24:13 -0500 Subject: The Second Either In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Jade man : > David, > > Was not intending to cause offence. > I Thought it might be complimentary to this list not competitive to it!!! You didn't offend me, I just thought it was funny. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 4 18:31:50 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:31:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Just to remind you that Litmus will be playing at the Standard in Walthamstow on Friday, November 5th with support from Huw Lloyd-Langton, who will be playing an acoustic set. Litmus are also playing at the Twist in Colchester on December 10th. Colin From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 4 18:37:54 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:37:54 -0500 Subject: HW: HW in advert Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:59:19 +0000, John Cartledge wrote: >According to the following link, it's not Spirit of the Age that is >being used but Silver Machine. Just seen the ad on Channel 4, and it is indeed "Silver Machine". >http://www.halewood-int.com/hawkwind.htm The bullshit on this page is really quite something: "the finished ads portray audacious free running in a gritty environment and closes as all three stenciled characters freeze as they spot a bottle of Red Square Reloaded. Building on the following of previous creatives these new ads focus the customer on the urban nature of Red Square Reloaded." Bleeurgh. I hope Bob Calvert's family are making something out of this, I very much doubt it however. Do HW even own the copyright for the song? Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 4 20:52:02 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:52:02 GMT Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:37:54 -0500 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > The bullshit on this page is really quite something: > > "the finished ads portray audacious free running in a gritty environment > and closes as all three stenciled characters freeze as they spot a bottle > of Red Square Reloaded. Building on the following of previous creatives > these new ads focus the customer on the urban nature of Red Square > Reloaded." Translation: Some Stick People stop for a drink. This Was a Friends of Fernando Poo Service. Please give generously to the Coup Fund. From _jt at COX.NET Thu Nov 4 23:23:09 2004 From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:23:09 -0800 Subject: T-Shirt In-Reply-To: <418A0368.8040706@aol.com> Message-ID: Iain Ferguson wrote: > Hi Pierluigi, > > I no little about the law... But > I guess you could say that you'd get slapped a bit if you started > printing Hawkwind Tee-Shirts. > It would be illegal as the name Hawkwind is a Trade mark & Copywrited by > Dave Brock. Design it as a "Hawkwind Discussion List" shirt and not a "Hawkwind the band" shirt, plan for a very small run (limited to 1 or 2 per list member), and I doubt Dave and Kris would veto it. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 4 23:19:08 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:19:08 -0500 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:37, Nick Medford wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:59:19 +0000, John Cartledge > wrote: > > >According to the following link, it's not Spirit of the Age that is > >being used but Silver Machine. > > Just seen the ad on Channel 4, and it is indeed "Silver Machine". > > > >http://www.halewood-int.com/hawkwind.htm You can view the ad via that Web page, and it is "Silver Machine." It sounds like Lemmy on vocals. > The bullshit on this page is really quite something: > > "the finished ads portray audacious free running in a gritty environment > and closes as all three stenciled characters freeze as they spot a bottle > of Red Square Reloaded. Building on the following of previous creatives > these new ads focus the customer on the urban nature of Red Square > Reloaded." I agree! I was amused by this hyperbole: >>>>> "HA new advertising campaign for Red Square Reloaded, the number one pre-mix vodka drink with caffeine, is the first of its kind as stenciled people 'free-run' around urban streets and buildings. [[...]] Breaking on November 1, the 30-second ad is entitled 'Silver Machine' and features filming and production techniques that have never before been used in a commercial advertisement." <<<<< For a "first of its kind" with "never before" used techniques, the ad reminded me a *lot* of those Apple iPod ads featuring the dancing people on the posters... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Nov 5 07:16:59 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:16:59 +0100 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <200411051001.iA5A03Kn027245@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Seems the advertising world is jumping the "Parkour" bandwagon ;-) Healthy and drug-free youth jumping up an down buildings; with a severely drug fueled soundtrack ... lol, Ketil > Subject: > Re: HW: HW in advert > From: > Nick Medford > Date: > Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:37:54 -050 > >Just seen the ad on Channel 4, and it is indeed "Silver Machine". > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 5 10:13:06 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:13:06 GMT Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Ketil Svendsen's message of Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: Ketil Svendsen writes: > Seems the advertising world is jumping the "Parkour" bandwagon ;-) > Healthy and drug-free youth jumping up an down buildings; with a > severely drug fueled soundtrack ... Things are all very healthy these days. It should be announced today that smoking is to be banned in public places in Scotland, so if there are any Hawkgigs here this tour, it'll be the last ones where we have to put up with having our lungs assaulted by sundry cindered substances. Weirldy the talk is that the forthcoming ban in England will allow pubs to apply to have "smoking areas". Having Reid as Health Minister is a bit like having Osama Bin Laden as Minister of Safety. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 5 11:10:46 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:40:46 +1030 Subject: HW: HW off smoking in public venues Message-ID: if there are smoking areas they should include a provision for industrial level ventilation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: HW in advert > Ketil Svendsen writes: > >> Seems the advertising world is jumping the "Parkour" bandwagon ;-) >> Healthy and drug-free youth jumping up an down buildings; with a >> severely drug fueled soundtrack ... > > Things are all very healthy these days. It should be announced today > that smoking is to be banned in public places in Scotland, so if there > are any Hawkgigs here this tour, it'll be the last ones where we have to > put up with having our lungs assaulted by sundry cindered substances. > > Weirldy the talk is that the forthcoming ban in England will allow pubs > to apply to have "smoking areas". Having Reid as Health Minister is a > bit like having Osama Bin Laden as Minister of Safety. > > FoFP > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Nov 5 11:17:16 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:17:16 +0000 Subject: HW: HW off smoking in public venues In-Reply-To: <000701c4c352$02a244e0$eec98890@homer> Message-ID: On 05-Nov-2004 16:10, Muad'Dib wrote: > if there are smoking areas they should include a provision for industrial > level ventilation. I was imagining a kind of "reverse oxygen tent" to keep smokers' air away from mine :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 5 11:30:57 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:30:57 -0500 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <200411051513.iA5FD6Np009096@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:13, M Holmes wrote: > Weirldy the talk is that the forthcoming ban in England will allow pubs > to apply to have "smoking areas". Having Reid as Health Minister is a > bit like having Osama Bin Laden as Minister of Safety. Maybe Mr. Reid is adopting the King Canute school of thought, and believes he can command the smoke to stay in its designated section? I've always thought those "smoking/non-smoking" sections of restaurants a bit daft. It would be truer to label them "smoky" and "less smoky." Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 5 12:23:09 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:23:09 GMT Subject: HW: HW off smoking in public venues In-Reply-To: Muad'Dib's message of Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:40:46 +1030 Message-ID: Muad'Dib writes: > if there are smoking areas they should include a provision for industrial > level ventilation. That seems to work well in parts of the US. It could have worked here too. The problem is that "nonsmoking areas" had been set up in pubs in ways such that nobody explained to the smoke that it wasn't supposed to travel to the immediately adjacent and non-separated nonsmoking areas. After years of this the bars, faced with the ban, are whining that they could set up proper smoking areas with real separate ventilation, nobody believes a word of it. I think a separate problem in Scotland is that once winter sets in, the bars tend to switch off all ventilation because it drags in cold air and forces either much higher heating costs or the punters leaving because it's too cold. As far as I'm concerned, people can take whatever drugs they please. They simply have the responsibility not to dose or otherwise inconvenience others through their drug use. Smoking in public clearly breaks both those caveats. If someone should want to wear a nicotine patch or take snuff in public, I'd have no objection. If the bars want to keep selling nicotine, perhaps they should figure out how to put it into a drink. If it's possible to make cannabis tea and beer, what's the problem with using tobacco leaves instead? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 5 12:27:56 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:27:56 GMT Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:13, M Holmes wrote: > > > Weirldy the talk is that the forthcoming ban in England will allow pubs > > to apply to have "smoking areas". Having Reid as Health Minister is a > > bit like having Osama Bin Laden as Minister of Safety. > > Maybe Mr. Reid is adopting the King Canute school of thought, and > believes he can command the smoke to stay in its designated section? I reckon that once the ban is up and running in Scotland, visiting England will become even more like being a tourist in a primitive society. It's already antediluvian enough with the bars closing two hours early. > I've always thought those "smoking/non-smoking" sections of restaurants > a bit daft. It would be truer to label them "smoky" and "less smoky." Wasn't it Reid who suggested that it was bad to raise taxes on ciggies because "it's one of the few pleasures poor people can afford"? It's ethnic cleansing I tell ya. He's trying to kill off the chavs. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 5 13:04:54 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 04:34:54 +1030 Subject: HW: HW off smoking in public venues Message-ID: tobacco brownies? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:53 AM Subject: Re: HW: HW off smoking in public venues > Muad'Dib writes: > >> if there are smoking areas they should include a provision for industrial >> level ventilation. > > That seems to work well in parts of the US. > > It could have worked here too. The problem is that "nonsmoking areas" > had been set up in pubs in ways such that nobody explained to the smoke > that it wasn't supposed to travel to the immediately adjacent and > non-separated nonsmoking areas. After years of this the bars, faced with > the ban, are whining that they could set up proper smoking areas with > real separate ventilation, nobody believes a word of it. I think a > separate problem in Scotland is that once winter sets in, the bars tend > to switch off all ventilation because it drags in cold air and forces > either much higher heating costs or the punters leaving because it's too > cold. > > As far as I'm concerned, people can take whatever drugs they please. > They simply have the responsibility not to dose or otherwise > inconvenience others through their drug use. Smoking in public clearly > breaks both those caveats. If someone should want to wear a nicotine > patch or take snuff in public, I'd have no objection. If the bars want > to keep selling nicotine, perhaps they should figure out how to put it > into a drink. If it's possible to make cannabis tea and beer, what's the > problem with using tobacco leaves instead? > > FoFP > From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sat Nov 6 00:07:27 2004 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 05:07:27 +0000 Subject: T-Shirt In-Reply-To: <1001796050.20041103190013@manoweb.com> Message-ID: On 03/11/2004 18.00, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: Hi gg, > If there's no problem to print them, is someone out there who would > like to have this shirt? I'm in. If with the due permission you'll still carry out the project, of course. Stay cool, GM -- ID Low there do I see my father. Low there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers. Low there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning. Low they do call to me, they bit me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Nov 6 01:00:17 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:00:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... In-Reply-To: <0FE56F06-2475-11D9-A967-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: November 5, 2004 Black & Blue, the concert DVD featuring material culled from various performances during Black Sabbath's 1980 trek with the Blue Oyster Cult is reportedly set for a European release on December 22nd. From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Nov 6 02:38:45 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:38:45 -0700 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041106005941.0219ba58@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: > Black & Blue, the concert DVD featuring material culled from various > performances during Black Sabbath's 1980 trek with the Blue Oyster Cult is > reportedly set for a European release on December 22nd. Great show. I look forward to getting an official release of this. BOC was definitely tops on that bill. No disrespect to the Sabs, but their performance didn't have much intensity. Brad From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Nov 6 10:42:00 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:42:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041106005941.0219ba58@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2004, at 1:00 AM, Jason wrote: > Black & Blue, the concert DVD featuring material culled from various > performances during Black Sabbath's 1980 trek with the Blue Oyster > Cult is > reportedly set for a European release on December 22nd. This is news to BOC management. This project has been locked up with Tony Iommi blocking the release for the last 2 years. OTOH there are a lot of rumors around the web in the past couple days that it is finally happening. I'd love to get a better copy than that VHS one I currently have. Al From des at SUPERLINK.NET Sat Nov 6 14:37:56 2004 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:37:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... In-Reply-To: <65D8D14D-300A-11D9-99F6-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: I bought my DVD from someone/place on EBay last year. I guess it's a Sout American Import. Any idea as to whether or not the European version will be any different (other than the subtitles :-) --Eric Saturday, November 6, 2004, 10:42:00 AM, you wrote: AB> On Nov 6, 2004, at 1:00 AM, Jason wrote: >> Black & Blue, the concert DVD featuring material culled from various >> performances during Black Sabbath's 1980 trek with the Blue Oyster >> Cult is >> reportedly set for a European release on December 22nd. AB> This is news to BOC management. This project has been locked up with AB> Tony Iommi blocking the release for the last 2 years. OTOH there are a AB> lot of rumors around the web in the past couple days that it is finally AB> happening. I'd love to get a better copy than that VHS one I currently AB> have. AB> Al --Eric From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat Nov 6 14:57:09 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:57:09 -0000 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... In-Reply-To: <1494065988.20041106143756@superlink.net> Message-ID: According to one write up, it's the same with the exception of screen menus (of course) and an interview with Ronnie James Dio. They're obviously trying to attract the Christmas Sabbath audience. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of E F Sent: 06 November 2004 19:38 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: Black and Blue (again)... I bought my DVD from someone/place on EBay last year. I guess it's a Sout American Import. Any idea as to whether or not the European version will be any different (other than the subtitles :-) --Eric Saturday, November 6, 2004, 10:42:00 AM, you wrote: AB> On Nov 6, 2004, at 1:00 AM, Jason wrote: >> Black & Blue, the concert DVD featuring material culled from various >> performances during Black Sabbath's 1980 trek with the Blue Oyster >> Cult is >> reportedly set for a European release on December 22nd. AB> This is news to BOC management. This project has been locked up with AB> Tony Iommi blocking the release for the last 2 years. OTOH there are a AB> lot of rumors around the web in the past couple days that it is finally AB> happening. I'd love to get a better copy than that VHS one I currently AB> have. AB> Al --Eric From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 7 00:00:04 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:00:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 7, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #114), and Alchemical Radio (show #72). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #114) Spaceseed with Nik Turner - "Mojo" (from Future Cities of the Past Pt. 1) Dr. Hasbeen - "Space Riders" (from The Alien Within) Comets On Fire - "The Bee and the Cracking Egg" (from Blue Cathedral) Evolution Control Committe - "The F**king Moon" (from Plagiarhythm Nation) Nigel Potter - "Something There Black Against The Stars" (from Soundclick.com page) Thru Black Holes Band - "Punks From Another Planet" (from U.F.O.) Floorian - "Or So They Say" (from What The Buzzing) Vernon Dent - "Benevolence" (from yet to be released album) Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective - "Earth Men Like Them Stupid" (from Jihad Cafe) The Invisible Band! - "Underworld" (from It's Music, Jim. But Not As We Know It) Greyscale - "Silicon and Steel" (from Cruel Machine) Mike VanPortfleet - ""Stellar Buckshot Awaits" (from Beyond The Horizon Line) Alchemical Radio (show #72) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Taba - "Hiroshima 1945" The Maledictus Sound - "Jim Clark Was Driving Recklessly" Keith Mills - "Hmmm Remix" Frank Gingeleit - "Extraterrestrial Language Studies" Romislokus - "Trance Aviation Pilots" Mountain Mirrors - "A Short Burst Of Clarity" Cousin Silas - "Rossini Pump Device" The Motives Project - "I've Been Up & Down" Leandra Hill - "Till The End Of Time" Blue Cheer - "Big Trouble In Paradise" Smoke & Mirrors - "Inside Saguaros" Lope - "Helorean" Radium 88 - "Life Is Now" Jelinek Horst Attila - "Power Station" Electric Riders - "El Nagual" Superczar - "Sunshine Ends" http://Aural-Innovations.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Nov 7 19:42:03 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:42:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS: 10/13 ( from electro-music info group) Message-ID: Hello, friends, here the link to a pretty comprehensive description of the upcoming Sloterdijk/Scattered Planets show, Saturday, November 13th..( also a decent discussion news group) http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4033&highlight= PS: PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND THIS INFORMATION ON TO ANY RELEVENT NEWS OR DISCUSSION GROUPS ETC.. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 8 04:19:16 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:19:16 +0000 Subject: HW: HW in advert In-Reply-To: <200411051727.iA5HRu5U013069@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 05-Nov-2004 17:27, M Holmes wrote: > Wasn't it Reid who suggested that it was bad to raise taxes on ciggies > because "it's one of the few pleasures poor people can afford"? Aren't cigarettes fabulously expensive though? Those poor people must be richer than me! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon Nov 8 16:08:53 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Blue Wizard) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:08:53 -0800 Subject: AW: Hawkfest 2002 In-Reply-To: <200410281756.i9SHurxo011184@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: At 19:56 28.10.04 +0200, you wrote: >Great to hear that, enjoy and please leave feedback as well... > >Wilfried Hi, Yes it is a good collection- the second disc with particularly Connecting Routes, Litmus and Bedouin, and Huw Lloyd Langton's Broken Bits Band to be excellent stuff! I just thought the Hawkwind track to be abit old ho-hum with many of the same sounds as the original version (my original post was written while I had just put that on...) regards Christian >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im >Auftrag von Christian >Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 02:06 >An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Betreff: HW: Hawkfest 2002 > >finally got this and just put it on > >still many of the same old Hawkwind sounds we have all come to love > >:) > >anticipating the rest of this thing to be more varied! From mlooney at COX.NET Mon Nov 8 13:38:52 2004 From: mlooney at COX.NET (Mike Looney) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:38:52 -0600 Subject: BOC: In the Media In-Reply-To: <000001c4c43a$cca2b8e0$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: "Don't fear the reaper" was played during the pilot of UPN's "Veronica Mars". A good show that you should be watching just BTW. This isn't so much a direct BOC reference, but the "More Cowbell/Don't Fear the Reaper" SNL skit is referred to roughly 10 times a day on the "Television With Out Pity" site http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3120172&st=15 being the most recent. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 9 09:42:13 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041021223634.021a6058@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jason wrote: > 2. Allen,when he's asked something, gave onger answers than I though he'd give. > I wonder what he says when asked "Why are there so few Allen Lanier > compositions in BOC?" I've sometimes wondered a similar thing, which is why did the change to home demo recording that went on around _Agents of Fortune_ hit Allen so badly? If you look at the tracks with Lanier credits on the SFG album and the first three BOC albums: `What is Quicksand', `Gil Blanco County', and now we have the remasters `Mes Dames Sarat' are all his entirely bar the words, and even those seem to be his on the last, and he's also got credits in `She's as Beautiful as a Foot', `Workshop of the Telescopes' & `Redeemed' though they'e low in the list. But that's nothing at all that made the cut to either _Tyranny and Mutation_ or _Secret Treaties_. I think what we can take from that is Allen's natural song ideas style is better suited to the light end of BOC's sound, and that the fierceness of those two albums meant that whatever he was coming up with didn't fit. I bet he was coming up with stuff, because as soon as the change over to home 4-tracks happens here come the credits again, `True Confessions', `Tenderloin', and I'm afraid `Dance the Night Away', but then also `Searchin' for Celine' and `In Thee' and `Lonely Teardrops'. None of them exactly my favourites but fairly coherent in style. So I wonder if it's that the shift away from jamming to compose gave Allen more room to get his softer style into the tracklisting, and then that a slow metallisation after _Mirrors_ (which favoured his style quite strongly) began to leave it out again (seems only thing after _Mirrors_ beyond `Marshall Plan', which if I recall correctly was a deliberate attempot at a `group number', that gives him a credit is `Don't Turn Your Back', which has however got his name first in the list). He was clearly coming up with stuff in jams in the early days too, the SFG bag is quite respectable there, but I think it just must have not fitted as well as what everyone else was doing with the "heavy pomp" thing (whose phrase was that again? Ah well, it's a useful one). That doesn't really go to explain why he firstly didn't go solo when he left (maybe he couldn't get anyone interested?), and why when he was playing out so much more than he had been around the time of CotHM that album bears almost no trace of him even in the apparently-`group' numbers. I guess for some people the songs stop coming. I mean, this all relies on the album credots not only being correctly printed and everything but also their being in some way reflective of reality, and Deep Purple and Hawkwind horror stories tell us that this need not be true, but if they are that's one way to read it all perhaps. Just a guess, in any case, yours, Jon ObCD: Gorilla - _Gorilla_ (this is the goods, as long as what you ordered was someone trying to combine all Blue Cheer's and Sabbath's least subtle and sensitive moments... I'm happy with it anyway :-) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:18:54 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:18:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Support Announced Message-ID: + ++ + STAR WARRIORS + + + + The V's and Dumpy's Spacenutz will be supporting at the Astoria Christmas Party.......... Don't forget to come dressed as an Alien/Clone/Mad Scientist To the Astoria gig.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dumpy will be supporting at Manchester, Telford and Exeter..... The V's will be supporting at Cambridge and Swindon...... More info on other dates to be released asap. . . . . . + ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ ++ + www.hawkwind.com From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Nov 9 20:04:18 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:04:18 -0000 Subject: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's a very good point Jon. With songs like these to his name, I really hope also that he can rediscover his muse. 14 or 15 songs doesn't seem much for a 35 year career. All power to his arm. I hope he rocks forever with BOC. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jon Jarrett Sent: 09 November 2004 14:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC:Popoff's text and miscellany. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jason wrote: > 2. Allen,when he's asked something, gave onger answers than I though he'd give. > I wonder what he says when asked "Why are there so few Allen Lanier > compositions in BOC?" I've sometimes wondered a similar thing, which is why did the change to home demo recording that went on around _Agents of Fortune_ hit Allen so badly? If you look at the tracks with Lanier credits on the SFG album and the first three BOC albums: `What is Quicksand', `Gil Blanco County', and now we have the remasters `Mes Dames Sarat' are all his entirely bar the words, and even those seem to be his on the last, and he's also got credits in `She's as Beautiful as a Foot', `Workshop of the Telescopes' & `Redeemed' though they'e low in the list. But that's nothing at all that made the cut to either _Tyranny and Mutation_ or _Secret Treaties_. I think what we can take from that is Allen's natural song ideas style is better suited to the light end of BOC's sound, and that the fierceness of those two albums meant that whatever he was coming up with didn't fit. I bet he was coming up with stuff, because as soon as the change over to home 4-tracks happens here come the credits again, `True Confessions', `Tenderloin', and I'm afraid `Dance the Night Away', but then also `Searchin' for Celine' and `In Thee' and `Lonely Teardrops'. None of them exactly my favourites but fairly coherent in style. So I wonder if it's that the shift away from jamming to compose gave Allen more room to get his softer style into the tracklisting, and then that a slow metallisation after _Mirrors_ (which favoured his style quite strongly) began to leave it out again (seems only thing after _Mirrors_ beyond `Marshall Plan', which if I recall correctly was a deliberate attempot at a `group number', that gives him a credit is `Don't Turn Your Back', which has however got his name first in the list). He was clearly coming up with stuff in jams in the early days too, the SFG bag is quite respectable there, but I think it just must have not fitted as well as what everyone else was doing with the "heavy pomp" thing (whose phrase was that again? Ah well, it's a useful one). That doesn't really go to explain why he firstly didn't go solo when he left (maybe he couldn't get anyone interested?), and why when he was playing out so much more than he had been around the time of CotHM that album bears almost no trace of him even in the apparently-`group' numbers. I guess for some people the songs stop coming. I mean, this all relies on the album credots not only being correctly printed and everything but also their being in some way reflective of reality, and Deep Purple and Hawkwind horror stories tell us that this need not be true, but if they are that's one way to read it all perhaps. Just a guess, in any case, yours, Jon ObCD: Gorilla - _Gorilla_ (this is the goods, as long as what you ordered was someone trying to combine all Blue Cheer's and Sabbath's least subtle and sensitive moments... I'm happy with it anyway :-) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 10 04:19:30 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:19:30 -0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: TODAY ON TOTALROCK Malcolm Dome will be talking live to Hawkwind's Dave Brock, as the band prepare for a new tour and album. Tune in from 3-6pm. www.totalrock.com Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 10 07:16:52 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:16:52 -0000 Subject: HW Astoria and Hotel Message-ID: Hi peeps, seems i now need a room for the 19th - any recommendations for a hotel near to the Astoria (i have lost the original email with the list of hotels - also it might be nice to stay in the same one as a few of you if there are still vacancies) best regards Maxine From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 10 09:55:00 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:55:00 +0000 Subject: Astoria tickets Message-ID: Thought it was about time I got my tickets for the Xmas show. Clicked on the Ticketmaster link, 2 ?20 tickets, plus ?11.20 in charges! Think I'll nip on the bus one lunchtime from work, no extras if you buy them from the box office direct. Ticketmaster, what a rip off! From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 10 09:58:15 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:15 -0600 Subject: HW Astoria and Hotel In-Reply-To: <419207CC.25494.B0E62CB@port.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Maxine Wesley wrote: :Subject: Re : HW Astoria and Hotel : :Hi peeps, : :seems i now need a room for the 19th - any recommendations for a :hotel near to the Astoria (i have lost the original email with the list of :hotels - also it might be nice to stay in the same one as a few of you if :there are still vacancies) Hi Maxine. A bunch of us are staying at the Radisson Edwardian Grafton, which is about 15 mins walk away from the astoria. Do you want me to see if they still have rooms available at our group rate for you? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 10 10:10:39 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:10:39 +0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing Dave Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to my pc? >From: Si Halley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Total Rock newsletter >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:19:30 -0000 > >TODAY ON TOTALROCK >Malcolm Dome will be talking live to Hawkwind's Dave Brock, as the band >prepare for a new tour and album. Tune in from 3-6pm. > >www.totalrock.com > >Si > >"Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from >www.roxie77.com >------------ >The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk >UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Nov 10 10:13:59 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:13:59 +0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10-Nov-2004 15:10, eddie jobson wrote: > Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing Dave > Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to my pc? If you have a Mac with OS X, you can just use Audio Hijack. Dunno about Windows machines, but there's bound to be something(s) equivalent. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 10 10:15:02 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:15:02 -0500 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: just tuned into aforementioned station, according to Mr Dome "Dave Brock" from Hawkwind appearing on the show around 5 o'clock uk time (just gone three as i write this) i don't know if you can contact the show by phone but you can send e- requests via it's own media player so why don't we send in a few for Hawkwind, lets make the captain feel welcome! regards Dave p.s - if you look at todays schedule it says it's Uriah Heeps Mick Box but according to Mr Dome it's definately Brocky, oh yes and eddie you've gotin before me! From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 10 10:36:49 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:36:49 -0600 Subject: Total Rock newsletter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, eddie jobson wrote: :Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter : :Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing Dave :Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to my pc? Could someone post up a copy (if they do manage to tape it off) or a summary of it? I'll be stuck in the middle of my workday, and can't listen to it :-( Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Nov 10 10:48:20 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:48:20 +0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This would be really cool if it could make it up online somewhere, I'm travelling and no access to it at this time. Plus Dave is sure to spill some beans on the forthcoming Single, LP & tour, Like who is playing on the tour is it the great 3 piece making an outing, or is it augmented with other musicians Regards Iain Arin Komins wrote on 11/10/2004, 3:36 PM: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > : > :Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing > Dave > :Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to > my pc? > > Could someone post up a copy (if they do manage to tape it off) or a > summary of it? I'll be stuck in the middle of my workday, and can't > listen to it :-( > From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 10 11:47:19 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:47:19 -0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > : > :Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing Dave > :Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to my pc? Hmm. 15 minutes to go and TotalRock's live stream seems to have died. Or is it just me? Has Nik been at the wiring? Luckly this link does still appear to be working: http://www.totalrock.com/streams/TRLive.asx Si From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 10 11:59:17 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:59:17 +0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: About to start, have found recording software but can't get it to work on totalrock web stream aarrgghhh!!! >From: Si Halley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:47:19 -0000 > >Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > > > :Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > > : > > :Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing >Dave > > :Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to >my pc? > >Hmm. 15 minutes to go and TotalRock's live stream seems to have died. Or is >it just me? >Has Nik been at the wiring? > >Luckly this link does still appear to be working: >http://www.totalrock.com/streams/TRLive.asx > >Si From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Nov 10 12:16:24 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:16:24 -0600 Subject: Total Rock newsletter In-Reply-To: <061a01c4c744$f2673490$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: Their broadband stream can be a bit erratic, if you tried that, try the low quality stream. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Si Halley Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:47 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > : > :Thanks for that. The DJ has just confirmed they will be interviewing Dave > :Brock about 5pm. Now need to find out if I can record from the web to my pc? Hmm. 15 minutes to go and TotalRock's live stream seems to have died. Or is it just me? Has Nik been at the wiring? Luckly this link does still appear to be working: http://www.totalrock.com/streams/TRLive.asx Si From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 10 12:15:52 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:15:52 -0000 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: Subject: Re: Total Rock newsletter > About to start, have found recording software but can't get it to work on > totalrock web stream aarrgghhh!!! I`m taping it and will endevour to put up a realaudio version in the next hour or so for those who can`t hear it unless someone is planning to post a version taped from a broadband connection in which case they`ll get a far better recording then I will on dial-up. If that`s the case can they shout out as it will save me the trouble. Only real news so far is that the single is now February and the album in March... Ho hum. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 10 12:34:36 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:34:36 +0000 Subject: I'm going to type it in as it happens... Message-ID: Started at 5pm with Silver Machine playing Dave on telephone chatting about Silver Machine Dave saying EMI never told him SM was going to be used on advert, he found out when he heard it on telly! Discussing dancers and Androids on tour Matthew Wright and Arthur Brown involved Question from Dave Law asking if Spirit of the Age will be released as a single. DB saying Spirit of the Age a bit different but hard to change that much due to chord sequence (laugh laugh), single and album with Spring tour in Feb/March. Discusses tracks on new album. Mentions Alan practising new songs. Richard picks up phone and talks about recording new songs. DJ played Lord of Light. DB back on phone, question about Hawkfest, DB saying need to find suitable site. My question about old songs, might play ode to a time flower, farenheit 451, uncle sams on mars. Question about Newcastle United from Dave Laws and also greyhounds! Talking about free movement around the world and mentions books about Hawkwind. Also mentions excerpts available from new album on web site. Closes with Master of the Universe from Space Ritual. But now that Si Halley has taped this was all probably in vain! Oh well was good fun anyway. Eddie (not the musician one) Jobson. From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 10 12:36:04 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:36:04 -0500 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: quick resume for those unable to listen in, big news, according to Dave single due for release in Febuary with single with album in March, they're going to give it a go as far as getting the single in the charts. (in reply to a question posed by yours truly) as were two other questions, sorry if it looked like i hogged that section but i thought at most he'd ask one of the three i posed so appologies to all concerned especially seeing as two of them were completely throw away! - one concerning Football and the other dogs anyway i've recorded the piece onto my MP3 player (i think) and so time permitting i'll either transpose it or put up appropriate sections all the best dave p.s - did anyone catch the "Soundtrack Of Our Lives" track played about 45 mins before the interview, definate HW influence as picked up by Mr Dome From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 10 12:56:09 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: Total Rock newsletter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 04:59:17PM +0000, eddie jobson wrote: > About to start, have found recording software but can't get it to work on > totalrock web stream aarrgghhh!!! Too late now, but for future reference, the one time I recorded one of their broadcasts, I used Total Recorder (http://www.highcriteria.com/). It worked excellently. Admittedly this was several years ago, so the situation may well have changed... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 10 12:57:33 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:57:33 -0000 Subject: I'm going to type it in as it happens... Message-ID: Subject: I'm going to type it in as it happens... > But now that Si Halley has taped this was all probably in vain! Oh well was > good fun anyway. It's online now. http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/files/files_menu.php You need something able to play realaudio to play. I've cut the songs for file size reasons as we`ve all got them anyway. Should serve the purpose until a better version is posted. I'll leave it up at least for the next few days. Enjoy Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 10 15:14:36 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:14:36 -0500 Subject: Total Rock newsletter Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:36:04 -0500, Dave Law wrote: >p.s - did anyone catch the "Soundtrack Of Our Lives" track played about 45 >mins before the interview, definate HW influence as picked up by Mr Dome I haven't heard any of their most recent stuff, but although I heard lots of 70s rock influences in their first album, I didn't hear much that made me think of HW. I greatly prefer Union Carbide Productions (one of my alltime favorite Swedish bands, along with the Brainbombs), the band that some of them (including the singer) used to be in, but they sounded more like the Stooges (first two albums) or Stones (third & fourth albums) than anything HW related (although the second album is *very* psychedelic in parts). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 10 19:13:17 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:13:17 +0000 Subject: HW: New album... In-Reply-To: <000401c4b884$4ef85d30$d3201418@cx904100a> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Kevin Sommers wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0200, Henderson Keith > wrote: > > >Hey Folks ... I just thought that I > >might persuade one of you fine folks who has been taking part/following > >the discussion to clue us clueless people in as to what the general > >consensus it. (Yeah, I know, I know, half the people hate it, and half > >the people love it, right?) I was quite scared, actually, when I discovered that somewhat against my jaded expectations there's bits in those samples I rather like. It's hard to judge a whole track from what's there, of course, but if quality awareness has been sufficient to pick the best bits, maybe it was also present at the moment of creation? Or maybe that's too much to hope for. Anyway, roughly: To Love a Machine - mmm, nothing special I thought but at least it's there. I can get on with this perfectly well, and it does have the guitar we want, even if it's still a techno number in real terms; Greenback Massacre - not Ali's finest hour, and as sampled here sounds oddly mixed compared to the others; Spirit of the Age - about as good as could be expected I suppose. Wright isn't Calvert but he's putting some expression into it at least. The whole association with him still irks me, though. I suppose if it does them some good it may have been worth it but he'd have hyped the album without it I'm sure; Out Here We Are & Take Me To Your Leader - I like both of these a lot, at least once `Out Here... ' is past the first break (I can't say I like the sax synth either but hey), it's as if Brock's been going to see the Ozrics and realised the truth of their little yin-yang badge with the guitar and synth wrapped into each other. This is techno, again, but techno which successfully incorporates the space chords of Alan's _Alien 4_ wavestation work or the real guitar crunch. Crossover territory and probably my favourites except for... Sunray - we already knew this was great, and except in one small feature I think this does that all right. That small feature is the extra backing vocals in the final `never...' in the chorus. It sounds like Ali, and it's not harmonising right. Please, Dave, if by some chance you're reading, take that backing vocal out and let Arthur get that anthemic note by himself, its presence is weakening a classic which should be the follow-up single without any question; Digital Nation - ech, less keen on this, sounds like a Star Nation leftover, not that I've anything against the Star Nation stuff but this wouldn't have made their cut; Reality of Poverty - presumably, from the lyrics, the song that was called `Population Overload', which makes me pleased that it's not the _Distant Horizons_ track revamped, but unfortunately it's not even as good as that one... Angela Android - blimey, Richard, I didn't know you had this kind of smut in you, this is worthy of Lemmy, I love this, techno though it be. No prizes then for guessing whose the obsession with robot sex is then... Letter to Robert - it is what it is, I guess; I'd like to hear the full track, but I'm not sure how many times... I'm also curious about how much of a connection with `Robert' it really has. References to mobile phones and terrorists sound very current for pre-1989, unless the idea that `Robert' is Calvert is one of my own and not something that was actually said somewhere. I think the worrying thing about this in some ways is that all the stuff I like here is either halfway or all the way towards techno. There doesn't seem to be much actual rock beyond `Sunray'. But if the album matches the quality of what's here (assuming that these mixes are only preliminary, or else that mastering for CD will be rather higher-quaklity than these MP3s...) I suspect I'll play it a fair bit. The other worrying thing is that I mentioned these clips on a BBS I inhabit and three other people leapt to download them (one `for a friend'), and responses were generally positive. I'm not used to the mention of Hawkwind there (not something I do infrequently) eliciting that kind of response. Perhaps there is a market for songs about shagging robots that Hawkwind have cunningly identified? Yours, Jon ObMP3s: Nil8 - _Eunuch_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Nov 10 19:10:21 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:10:21 -0500 Subject: I'm going to type it in as it happens... Message-ID: Thanks, Eddie`ntmo' J tim 8>)... eddie jobson wrote: > > Started at 5pm with Silver Machine playing > Dave on telephone chatting about Silver Machine > Dave saying EMI never told him SM was going to be used on advert, he found > out when he heard it on telly! > Discussing dancers and Androids on tour > Matthew Wright and Arthur Brown involved > Question from Dave Law asking if Spirit of the Age will be released as a > single. > DB saying Spirit of the Age a bit different but hard to change that much due > to chord sequence (laugh laugh), single and album with Spring tour in > Feb/March. > Discusses tracks on new album. > Mentions Alan practising new songs. > Richard picks up phone and talks about recording new songs. > DJ played Lord of Light. > DB back on phone, question about Hawkfest, DB saying need to find suitable > site. > My question about old songs, might play ode to a time flower, farenheit 451, > uncle sams on mars. > Question about Newcastle United from Dave Laws and also greyhounds! > Talking about free movement around the world and mentions books about > Hawkwind. Also mentions excerpts available from new album on web site. > Closes with Master of the Universe from Space Ritual. > But now that Si Halley has taped this was all probably in vain! Oh well was > good fun anyway. > > Eddie (not the musician one) Jobson. From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 11 09:24:32 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:24:32 -0500 Subject: Astoria tickets Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:55:00 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >Ticketmaster, what a rip off! Not for nothing have they earned the nickname Ticketbastard. I once used them to buy tickets for a gig (not HW) in Brighton, when I got down there I found the venue was still being built!! The gig itself was taking place at a different venue, something I discovered purely by chance. When I got to the second venue nobody knew anything about our supposed "reserved tickets" although the promoter was kind enough to let us in for free when I explained the situation. When I subsequently complained to Ticketmaster I received no reply. I swore I would never use them again, but foolishly did so- I booked a ticket through them to see the Magic Band at the Garage earlier this year. The gig was cancelled but they declined to provide a refund on the grounds that the ticket was valid for the following night's gig - however I could not go the following night. Subsequent emails were again met with a wall of silence. Short of contacting a lawyer there's not much that can be done about such practices, except to alert others. My advice: avoid Ticketmaster like the plague. Nick From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Nov 11 11:04:31 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:04:31 -0500 Subject: Astoria tickets Message-ID: This is interesting, because I had a similar experience just a couple months ago. I ordered tickets for a Ravi Shankar concert and they never showed up in the mail. I contacted Ticketmaster the day before the event, and they assured me that new tickets would be waiting for me at the box office at the venue, but that I had to arrive to pick them up between the hours of noon and four in the afternoon (considerably earlier than the concert). I was annoyed at having to drive to another town and hang around for hours and hours before the show, but nevertheless I went there early to find that the box office wasn't even open until 6 pm that day! I was forced to wander around town for hours, and when the box office did open, they knew nothing of my plight. Strangely, some philanthropist had left a couple of tickets at the window to be given away free, and they kindly gave me one of those, but had that not happened, I never would have seen the show. I telephoned ticketmaster the next day (something which will require at least an hour of your time as you are transferred between operators) and told them I wanted a refund for tickets that were never used, and they told me I couldn't get a refund because the event had already occurred! How moronically stupid! Why else would I want a refund? I could understand not refunding before the event... but not doing so after??? No amount of arguing would convince them to do anything, even though I called every day for a week. There were of course all the additional "handling charges" etc. and they would not even refund those. In short, I was ripped off for around fifty dollars. I did in fact see the show, but that was only through the kindness of a donated ticket. Had it been down to ticketmaster, I would have paid them fifty dollars and received nothing in exchange. *still fuming* John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > >Ticketmaster, what a rip off! > > Not for nothing have they earned the nickname Ticketbastard. > > I once used them to buy tickets for a gig (not HW) in Brighton, when I got > down there I found the venue was still being built!! The gig itself was > taking place at a different venue, something I discovered purely by chance. > When I got to the second venue nobody knew anything about our > supposed "reserved tickets" although the promoter was kind enough to let us > in for free when I explained the situation. When I subsequently complained > to Ticketmaster I received no reply. > > I swore I would never use them again, but foolishly did so- I booked a > ticket through them to see the Magic Band at the Garage earlier this year. > The gig was cancelled but they declined to provide a refund on the grounds > that the ticket was valid for the following night's gig - however I could > not go the following night. Subsequent emails were again met with a wall of > silence. Short of contacting a lawyer there's not much that can be done > about such practices, except to alert others. My advice: avoid Ticketmaster > like the plague. > > Nick From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Nov 12 01:08:03 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:08:03 -0500 Subject: Astoria tickets In-Reply-To: <000d01c4c808$246d4150$6701a8c0@MAJKA>; from jmajk@INDY.RR.COM on Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:04:31AM -0500 Message-ID: Whatever else you may think about Pearl Jam, they actually tried to take on the Evil Empire of TicketBastard. At the height of their popularity in the mid-90's, they undertook a tour where they tried to sell tickets for reasonable prices through alternative distribution methods, and they got beaten into the ground for their efforts. They completely lost the fight, and TicketBastard is still a monopoly. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:04:31AM -0500, John Majka wrote: > This is interesting, because I had a similar experience just a couple months > ago. I ordered tickets for a Ravi Shankar concert and they never showed up > in the mail. I contacted Ticketmaster the day before the event, and they > assured me that new tickets would be waiting for me at the box office at the > venue, but that I had to arrive to pick them up between the hours of noon > and four in the afternoon (considerably earlier than the concert). I was > annoyed at having to drive to another town and hang around for hours and > hours before the show, but nevertheless I went there early to find that the > box office wasn't even open until 6 pm that day! I was forced to wander > around town for hours, and when the box office did open, they knew nothing > of my plight. Strangely, some philanthropist had left a couple of tickets > at the window to be given away free, and they kindly gave me one of those, > but had that not happened, I never would have seen the show. I telephoned > ticketmaster the next day (something which will require at least an hour of > your time as you are transferred between operators) and told them I wanted a > refund for tickets that were never used, and they told me I couldn't get a > refund because the event had already occurred! How moronically stupid! Why > else would I want a refund? I could understand not refunding before the > event... but not doing so after??? No amount of arguing would convince them > to do anything, even though I called every day for a week. There were of > course all the additional "handling charges" etc. and they would not even > refund those. In short, I was ripped off for around fifty dollars. I did > in fact see the show, but that was only through the kindness of a donated > ticket. Had it been down to ticketmaster, I would have paid them fifty > dollars and received nothing in exchange. *still fuming* > John Majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > >Ticketmaster, what a rip off! > > > > Not for nothing have they earned the nickname Ticketbastard. > > > > I once used them to buy tickets for a gig (not HW) in Brighton, when I got > > down there I found the venue was still being built!! The gig itself was > > taking place at a different venue, something I discovered purely by > chance. > > When I got to the second venue nobody knew anything about our > > supposed "reserved tickets" although the promoter was kind enough to let > us > > in for free when I explained the situation. When I subsequently complained > > to Ticketmaster I received no reply. > > > > I swore I would never use them again, but foolishly did so- I booked a > > ticket through them to see the Magic Band at the Garage earlier this year. > > The gig was cancelled but they declined to provide a refund on the grounds > > that the ticket was valid for the following night's gig - however I could > > not go the following night. Subsequent emails were again met with a wall > of > > silence. Short of contacting a lawyer there's not much that can be done > > about such practices, except to alert others. My advice: avoid > Ticketmaster > > like the plague. > > > > Nick From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 12 02:19:42 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:49:42 +1030 Subject: Astoria tickets Message-ID: Does England have a consumer affairs protection agency? You should contact them and file a complaint. They may be able to investigate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Astoria tickets > This is interesting, because I had a similar experience just a couple > months > ago. I ordered tickets for a Ravi Shankar concert and they never showed > up > in the mail. I contacted Ticketmaster the day before the event, and they > assured me that new tickets would be waiting for me at the box office at > the > venue, but that I had to arrive to pick them up between the hours of noon > and four in the afternoon (considerably earlier than the concert). I was > annoyed at having to drive to another town and hang around for hours and > hours before the show, but nevertheless I went there early to find that > the > box office wasn't even open until 6 pm that day! I was forced to wander > around town for hours, and when the box office did open, they knew nothing > of my plight. Strangely, some philanthropist had left a couple of tickets > at the window to be given away free, and they kindly gave me one of those, > but had that not happened, I never would have seen the show. I telephoned > ticketmaster the next day (something which will require at least an hour > of > your time as you are transferred between operators) and told them I wanted > a > refund for tickets that were never used, and they told me I couldn't get a > refund because the event had already occurred! How moronically stupid! > Why > else would I want a refund? I could understand not refunding before the > event... but not doing so after??? No amount of arguing would convince > them > to do anything, even though I called every day for a week. There were of > course all the additional "handling charges" etc. and they would not even > refund those. In short, I was ripped off for around fifty dollars. I did > in fact see the show, but that was only through the kindness of a donated > ticket. Had it been down to ticketmaster, I would have paid them fifty > dollars and received nothing in exchange. *still fuming* > John Majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > >> >Ticketmaster, what a rip off! >> >> Not for nothing have they earned the nickname Ticketbastard. >> >> I once used them to buy tickets for a gig (not HW) in Brighton, when I >> got >> down there I found the venue was still being built!! The gig itself was >> taking place at a different venue, something I discovered purely by > chance. >> When I got to the second venue nobody knew anything about our >> supposed "reserved tickets" although the promoter was kind enough to let > us >> in for free when I explained the situation. When I subsequently >> complained >> to Ticketmaster I received no reply. >> >> I swore I would never use them again, but foolishly did so- I booked a >> ticket through them to see the Magic Band at the Garage earlier this >> year. >> The gig was cancelled but they declined to provide a refund on the >> grounds >> that the ticket was valid for the following night's gig - however I could >> not go the following night. Subsequent emails were again met with a wall > of >> silence. Short of contacting a lawyer there's not much that can be done >> about such practices, except to alert others. My advice: avoid > Ticketmaster >> like the plague. >> >> Nick From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Nov 12 16:56:01 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Blue Wizard) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:56:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Here & Now In-Reply-To: <419207CC.25494.B0E62CB@port.ac.uk> Message-ID: I am incessently listening to Here & Now's "All Over The Show" and I just can't get over the awesome track "Open Door" or the lyric "A Flaming Lance, A Whirling Dance, Shining Like A Beacon".... quite excellent to relive those childhood years of the late 70's with such rousing and inspiring elevated anarchist hippie consciousness lyricism. I wonder what is the line up on this album and when excactly was it released. Anyone? Chr. aka FRIGG aka Blue Wizard "I was the commie from Luxembourg Jim Morrison in the last life, ye olde hunters's Christmas "ham" who made 'Hammond Cheese' with The Doors.... Maloney Baloney and The Black Mahoney!!! -Thee Eville Kinge Rippe Offe From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Nov 12 17:03:40 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Blue Wizard) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:03:40 -0800 Subject: HW/OFF: Larry Wallis' Pink Fairies Message-ID: I always found "Live and Unreleased" to be an exciting document for Motorhead/Hawkwind fans/collectors, it's so fresh and exciting like Mot?rhead MK I and Hawkwind ca "ASAM/QS&C" - a fast and furious one from the best PF line up with Larry Wallis... Stuff like "Waiting For The Lightening To Strike", "Can't Find The Lady" or "I Think It's Coming Back Again" is just f*ckin great stuff... =) Chr. aka FRIGG aka Blue Wizard "I was the commie from Luxembourg Jim Morrison in the last life, ye olde hunters's Christmas "ham" who made 'Hammond Cheese' with The Doors.... Maloney Baloney and The Black Mahoney!!! -Thee Eville Kinge Rippe Offe From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 12 15:02:19 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:02:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: cheap rates into stansted Message-ID: just in case anyone wanted to go to the astoria gig from europe but didn't have airfare/trainfare yet, ryanair are offering rates under 1 pound from Dublin Cork Shannon Glasgow Prestwick Milan Bergamo Bologna Forli Pisa Pescara Turin Verona Brescia Aarhus Haguesund Malmo Oslo Torp Stockholm Vasteras Frankfurt Hahn Erfurt Hamburg Lubeck Dusseldorf Niederrhein Karlsruhe Baden Berlin Schoenefeld Reus Barcelona Blackpool Newquay Eindhoven Klagenfurt just fyi ;-) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 12 16:36:57 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:36:57 -0000 Subject: Here & Now In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041112135212.00a0e730@mail.chello.no> Message-ID: Here & Now always had a pretty fluid line-up but the following info from the Gong Appreciation Society website is probably the best guess www.planetgong.co.uk Here & Now 3 spring'79-autumn'80 recorded All over the show (Charly NOW2) + single the end of the beginning (CYS 1055) and off the cuff (CASS 1) steffe sharpstrings gtr/vox. to Here & Now 4 keith th' bass bass/vox. to Here & Now 4 gavin da blitz synths/vox. to Here & Now 4 rob bougie drums. to Here & Now 4 bernie elliot gtr. Great band who have traversed many different music styles across the years. They're back in operation now, catch them if you can. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Blue Wizard Sent: 12 November 2004 21:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Here & Now I am incessently listening to Here & Now's "All Over The Show" and I just can't get over the awesome track "Open Door" or the lyric "A Flaming Lance, A Whirling Dance, Shining Like A Beacon".... quite excellent to relive those childhood years of the late 70's with such rousing and inspiring elevated anarchist hippie consciousness lyricism. I wonder what is the line up on this album and when excactly was it released. Anyone? Chr. aka FRIGG aka Blue Wizard "I was the commie from Luxembourg Jim Morrison in the last life, ye olde hunters's Christmas "ham" who made 'Hammond Cheese' with The Doors.... Maloney Baloney and The Black Mahoney!!! -Thee Eville Kinge Rippe Offe From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 12 20:39:46 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:39:46 -0000 Subject: Here & Now Message-ID: The original Here and Now are best, and most recently, represented (In my opinion), by the band "Ici Maintenants" - "Here and Now", in French. Their latest album, featuring the legendary Kif Kif on percussion as well as Stephie Sharpstrings, Twink, and Timmah is available here - right now - : http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Here & Now > Here & Now always had a pretty fluid line-up but the following info from > the > Gong Appreciation Society website is probably the best guess > www.planetgong.co.uk > > Here & Now 3 spring'79-autumn'80 > recorded All over the show (Charly NOW2) + single the end of the beginning > (CYS 1055) and off the cuff (CASS 1) > > steffe sharpstrings gtr/vox. to Here & Now 4 > keith th' bass bass/vox. to Here & Now 4 > gavin da blitz synths/vox. to Here & Now 4 > rob bougie drums. to Here & Now 4 > bernie elliot gtr. > > Great band who have traversed many different music styles across the > years. > They're back in operation now, catch them if you can. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Blue Wizard > Sent: 12 November 2004 21:56 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF: Here & Now > > I am incessently listening to Here & Now's "All Over The Show" and I just > can't get over the awesome track "Open Door" or the lyric "A Flaming > Lance, > A Whirling Dance, Shining Like A Beacon".... quite excellent to relive > those childhood years of the late 70's with such rousing and inspiring > elevated anarchist hippie consciousness lyricism. > > > I wonder what is the line up on this album and when excactly was it > released. Anyone? > > Chr. aka FRIGG aka Blue Wizard > > "I was the commie from Luxembourg Jim Morrison in the last life, ye olde > hunters's Christmas "ham" who made 'Hammond Cheese' with The Doors.... > Maloney Baloney and The Black Mahoney!!! > -Thee Eville Kinge Rippe Offe > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 12 23:46:48 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:46:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: Some questions for the German speakers on the list. So, I'm looking at the Wikipedia article on Krautrock (actually it's a section of the article on German Rock, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_rock). It raises a couple of questions in my mind. First, the article says, "In Germany, the term 'Krautrock' is not used." Is this true? The German Wikipedia has an article called "Krautrock" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock). It seems to me that the word might well be considered insulting, given its origins. Is that the case? Later, the article says that T. Dream and Faust called what they were doing "komische musik", and someone on the discussion page suggests that that's "a translation of 'krautrock'", but that a particular German speaker disagreed. A few questions here: - Should that be "kosmische"? "Cosmic" seems rather more appropriate than "comic", for the music in question :-) But "komische musik" gets over 500 Google hits -- far less than "kosmische", but the first bunch are all on German-language pages, so I hesitate to edit the article without confirmation. - Does that term (whichever is the correct spelling) now refer to Krautrock in general, or was it limited to those two bands' usage of it "back in the day"? - Shouldn't "Musik" be capitalized? (That's about the only rule of German grammar that I think I know, so again I'm skating on pretty thin ice...) Speaking of the German-language article, it looks as though that has quite a detailed etymology of the term, including references to John Peel (RIP) and Amon D??l. Too bad I can't read it. Thanks much. P.S.: If you point Google at the German article, it translates Krautrock *into* English as "herb skirt". Too funny! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE Sat Nov 13 04:41:15 2004 From: Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE (Wilfried Schuesler) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:41:15 +0100 Subject: AW: What's the German for "Krautrock"? In-Reply-To: <20041113044648.GA19193@telepres.com> Message-ID: Eric, it is true. We use the term "Deutschrock" here instead of "Krautrock". Also you are right it should read "Kosmische Musik". This term was used for electronic bands only. The reason was a record company run by Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser with labels like "Ohr" and "Pilz". Bands on it were Ash-Ra Tempel, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, Popol Vuh to name the well known ones. Kr?uter (Kraeuter if the Umlaut isn't shown) is a German word for herbs in general with Kraut = 1 of them if you don't know the exact name. Here is some information in French (if that helps?): http://neospheres.free.fr/kraut/kosmische.htm Wilfried -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Eric Siegerman Gesendet: Samstag, 13. November 2004 05:47 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: OFF: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Some questions for the German speakers on the list. So, I'm looking at the Wikipedia article on Krautrock (actually it's a section of the article on German Rock, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_rock). It raises a couple of questions in my mind. First, the article says, "In Germany, the term 'Krautrock' is not used." Is this true? The German Wikipedia has an article called "Krautrock" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock). It seems to me that the word might well be considered insulting, given its origins. Is that the case? Later, the article says that T. Dream and Faust called what they were doing "komische musik", and someone on the discussion page suggests that that's "a translation of 'krautrock'", but that a particular German speaker disagreed. A few questions here: - Should that be "kosmische"? "Cosmic" seems rather more appropriate than "comic", for the music in question :-) But "komische musik" gets over 500 Google hits -- far less than "kosmische", but the first bunch are all on German-language pages, so I hesitate to edit the article without confirmation. - Does that term (whichever is the correct spelling) now refer to Krautrock in general, or was it limited to those two bands' usage of it "back in the day"? - Shouldn't "Musik" be capitalized? (That's about the only rule of German grammar that I think I know, so again I'm skating on pretty thin ice...) Speaking of the German-language article, it looks as though that has quite a detailed etymology of the term, including references to John Peel (RIP) and Amon D??l. Too bad I can't read it. Thanks much. P.S.: If you point Google at the German article, it translates Krautrock *into* English as "herb skirt". Too funny! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 13 06:52:57 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: How about Sauer rock? Funny it needs a label. Cheers Stephe > > From: Eric Siegerman > Date: 2004/11/12 Fri PM 11:46:48 EST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF: What's the German for "Krautrock"? > > Some questions for the German speakers on the list. > > So, I'm looking at the Wikipedia article on Krautrock (actually > it's a section of the article on German Rock, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_rock). It raises a couple of > questions in my mind. > > First, the article says, "In Germany, the term 'Krautrock' is not > used." Is this true? The German Wikipedia has an article called > "Krautrock" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock). > > It seems to me that the word might well be considered insulting, > given its origins. Is that the case? > > Later, the article says that T. Dream and Faust called what they > were doing "komische musik", and someone on the discussion page > suggests that that's "a translation of 'krautrock'", but that a > particular German speaker disagreed. A few questions here: > > - Should that be "kosmische"? "Cosmic" seems rather more > appropriate than "comic", for the music in question :-) But > "komische musik" gets over 500 Google hits -- far less than > "kosmische", but the first bunch are all on German-language > pages, so I hesitate to edit the article without > confirmation. > > - Does that term (whichever is the correct spelling) now refer > to Krautrock in general, or was it limited to those two > bands' usage of it "back in the day"? > > - Shouldn't "Musik" be capitalized? (That's about the only > rule of German grammar that I think I know, so again I'm > skating on pretty thin ice...) > > Speaking of the German-language article, it looks as though that > has quite a detailed etymology of the term, including references > to John Peel (RIP) and Amon D??l. Too bad I can't read it. > > Thanks much. > > P.S.: If you point Google at the German article, it translates > Krautrock *into* English as "herb skirt". Too funny! > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so > many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to > represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. > - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Nov 13 08:10:28 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:10:28 +0100 Subject: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: Eric asked... >First, the article says, "In Germany, the term 'Krautrock' is not >used." Is this true? The German Wikipedia has an article called >"Krautrock" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock). It's used in Austria at least...I was just in Wien (Vienna) last week, and visited a record/CD shop that had a special section devoted to 'krautrock.' >Later, the article says that T. Dream and Faust called what they >were doing "komische musik", and someone on the discussion page >suggests that that's "a translation of 'krautrock'", but that a >particular German speaker disagreed. A few questions here: > >Should that be "kosmische"? Yes, of course. >"Cosmic" seems rather more appropriate than "comic", for the >music in question :-) Well, I might agree, but some people think my taste in music is sehr komisch*! And they've even told me as much. :) *komisch could translate (literally) to 'comic' but it is very commonly used as just 'odd' or 'strange.' >Does that term (whichever is the correct spelling) now refer >to Krautrock in general, or was it limited to those two >bands' usage of it "back in the day"? Hard for me to say really...as I only have a 'revisionist' view of things, not having been aware of it until the early 80s. But I doubt that it was ever focussed on just two (or a few) bands. But, yes, of course, Faust famously included a track called "Krautrock" on the IV album (a recommended album, BTW, though I like the rest of it better than the "Krautrock" track). Julian Cope seemed to suggest (though I don't know if I believe his story) that a track by Amon Duul (ADI essentially) made first reference to 'kraut' and thus the name was born. I tend to think it was just called such by English fans who just naturally put the two words together, whether intended to be derogatory or not. I suppose Jerryrock would have been yet worse? (Though this term is not known in America, so I don't know how it's used.) Oh, wait, you meant 'kosmische.' Well, I don't think that was also limited so narrowly...in fact, Rolf Ulrich Kaiser had a whole label dedicated to the Cosmic Couriers. And I think Agitation Free, Ash Ra, and that whole Berlin scene must have been together in the 'kosmische' category, as well as AD2 and a bunch of other lesser knowns around the country. But I would suggest 'krautrock' was yet broader than 'kosmische' 'cause there are some hard Deep Purple-ish German 70s bands that are often dubbed krautrock without being particularly 'kosmische.' Lucifer's Friend, Birth Control, that sort of thing. Here's an article worth linking to, for a perspective from someone who was 'there.' I didn't re-read it entirely just now, but I do remember that he's quite critical of those who 'worship' (and create legends from) what to them was just amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any great movement going on. (I tend to disagree.) :) http://www.furious.com/perfect/krautrock.html >Shouldn't "Musik" be capitalized? (That's about the only >rule of German grammar that I think I know, so again I'm >skating on pretty thin ice...) Yes. >Speaking of the German-language article, it looks as though that >has quite a detailed etymology of the term, including references >to John Peel (RIP) and Amon D??l. Too bad I can't read it. Apparently, Peel may have used the term on the radio introducing the aforementioned Amon Duul track, which is likely the rumoured story that Cope picked up on for his book. (Which has some errors, BTW, including the identity of the "reaper model" on the book cover, the image taken from the "Yeti" album, which is not who Cope said it was, i.e., Shrat, but instead a AD2 roadie who mysteriously died shortly thereafter.) >P.S.: If you point Google at the German article, it translates >Krautrock *into* English as "herb skirt". Too funny! That's absolutely correct. I hadn't thought of that before, as 'der Rock' isn't really pronounced like "Rock." (What's also funny is that 'Rock' is masculine. Maybe not to a Scotsman, but...) Anyway, from what I know, 'kraut' meaning 'cabbage' is not in principle true, though it seems like the dish 'sauerkraut' may have made the shortened 'kraut' also generally refer to something that is indeed 'dominated' by cabbage, and over time has led to the word 'kraut' also having that 2nd meaning. 'Kohl' is the (original?) German word for cabbage, e.g., Rotkohl (red cabbage) being served on occasion in these parts. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Krautrock is often (by people like me, for example) used now to describe bands that are stylistically similar to old kosmische music, irrespective of their (non)German origin. Normally, that would only refer to 'revivalist' bands from the 90s/00s (Fuxa, IEM, Circle, Tungsten 74, Ausgang, etc.) though I think Igra Staklenih Perli (of Belgrade, Serbia) may have been the 'kosmischste' of the 'kosmische' bands, and they were active in the late 70s. It wouldn't offend me to say they were a Krautrock band. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Nov 13 08:22:29 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:22:29 +0100 Subject: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: Wilfried answered... >Kr?uter (Kraeuter if the Umlaut isn't shown) is a German word for herbs >in general with Kraut = 1 of them if you don't know the exact name. And the word "Unkraut" (where the German prefix "un-" generally means an opposite, just like the English "un-" or sometimes "in-") means "weed" (no, not *that* kind of weed...just 'weeds' you know), which I find really funny. Un-herb, like a useless plant, so I guess it would follow that it should be so. Still, it's funny to me. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. BTW, ?u is pronounced 'oy' so Kr?uter is 'Kroyter.' And so yeah, L?wenbr?u is really "Loevenbroy" or something. (I hope the umlauts come through the SPC "filter"...otherwise you won't see them and then will be confused.) From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Nov 13 08:36:40 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:36:40 +0100 Subject: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: Hello folks Lets start a new thread here After reading the gig reviews (Cheltenham / Bournemouth 2004) I feel that I have to say a few words here OK, where to start? What is the new tour called ? Yes, TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. It is based on the new CD and the theme of this CD is CLONING I think that the songs during a gig (of the new tour) should be related with the CLONING theme (Like most of the songs during the Black Sword tour were releded with the BS theme) This is the setlist from both 2004 shows: spirit of the age / sword of the east / greenback massacre / psychedelic warlords / uncle sams on mars / iron dream / out here we are / digital nation / hassan I sahba / space is their / hassan I sahba / angels of death / ode to a time flower / reality of poverty / to love a machine / angela android / brainstorm / wave upon wave / brainstorm / brainbox pollution / master of the universe / welcome A) These songs have NOTHING to do with the CLONING theme: 1) sword of the east 2) hassan I sahba / space is their 3) ode to a time flower 4) wave upon wave 5) psychedelic warlords B) No idea about these songs: 6) greenback massacre 7) uncle sams on mars 8) iron dream 9) out here we are 10) brainstorm 11) welcome C) These songs fit PERFECT to the CLONING theme: 12) spirit of the age 13) digital nation 14) angels of death 15) reality of poverty 16) to love a machine 17) angela android 18) brainbox pollution 19) master of the universe Here are some songs which should fit perfectly to the theme of the forthcoming tour: - Orgone Accumulator - Arrival In Utopia - Born To Go - Children Of The Sun - Dust Of Time (!) - Fable Of A Failed Race - Heads - Infinity - Micro Man - Transdimensional Man - We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago - Robot - ... I am sure that there are many more... Please let me know what you think Cheers Bernhard From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Nov 13 08:49:43 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:49:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: Bernhard starts a nice thread... >Here are some songs which should fit perfectly to the theme >of the forthcoming tour: >Arrival In Utopia I'm for this one! >Dust Of Time (!) They'd need Huw IMHO, and a healthy Huw. >Fable Of A Failed Race Sure, why not! >Heads Yes, definitely...this song always works well live, esp. linked in with heavier songs on either end. It belongs in the set for sure this year. >Micro Man Absolutely! On the final US tour (or at least the most recent...don't want to bum you guys out over there too much), they played this for the first couple dates (Toronto, St. Catherines??) and it was really excellent, with Dave doing an excellent job with the vocals. And then, suddenly, boom, it was gone from the set, replaced with MotU or something. Bring it back!! >Transdimensional Man >We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago >Robot >I am sure that there are many more... "Star Cannibal"? Maybe a stretch (topically), but it would be interesting to try. Did they *ever* do this one live? Grakkl (FAA) From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 13 09:04:19 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:04:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: Don't think Kings of Speed or The Demented Man would fit the theme, but I'd give my right arm to hear them played live. Shame Hurry on Sundown has been dropped. Knowing HW there's every chance that that set list could change by the time I see them at the Astoria. Good set list though in my opinion. Missed the earlier gig reviews, what's the line up? I guess DB,AD,RC and guests Arthur Brown, Tim Blake? Eddie. >From: Henderson Keith >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:49:43 +0100 > >Bernhard starts a nice thread... > > >Here are some songs which should fit perfectly to the theme > >of the forthcoming tour: > >Arrival In Utopia > >I'm for this one! > > >Dust Of Time (!) > >They'd need Huw IMHO, and a healthy Huw. > > >Fable Of A Failed Race > >Sure, why not! > > >Heads > >Yes, definitely...this song always works well live, esp. linked in with >heavier songs on either end. It belongs in the set for sure this year. > > >Micro Man > >Absolutely! On the final US tour (or at least the most recent...don't want >to bum you guys out over there too much), they played this for the first >couple dates (Toronto, St. Catherines??) and it was really excellent, with >Dave doing an excellent job with the vocals. And then, suddenly, boom, it >was gone from the set, replaced with MotU or something. Bring it back!! > > >Transdimensional Man > >We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago > >Robot > >I am sure that there are many more... > >"Star Cannibal"? Maybe a stretch (topically), but it would be interesting >to try. Did they *ever* do this one live? > >Grakkl (FAA) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Nov 13 17:09:55 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:09:55 -0500 Subject: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: Henderson Keith wrote: I tend to think it was just called such by > English fans who just naturally put the two words together, whether intended > to be derogatory or not. I suppose Jerryrock would have been yet worse? > (Though this term is not known in America, so I don't know how it's used.) Oh, I wouldn'd say that, some of us watched old WWII movies on tv when we were growing up; though I would say Jerryrock sounds kinda silly... tim 8>)... From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 06:21:38 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:21:38 -0000 Subject: What's the German for "Krautrock"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Here's an article worth linking to, for a perspective from someone who was >'there.' I didn't re-read it entirely just now, but I do remember that he's >quite critical of those who 'worship' (and create legends from) what to them >was just amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any great movement >going on. (I tend to disagree.) :) > >http://www.furious.com/perfect/krautrock.html The article seems a bit cynical. It has that "written on a bad day" feel. Having said that, "amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any great movement" seems a fair description of the early Hawkwind. Reading Ian Abrahams' book shattered a few of my illusions about the early albums. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: 13 November 2004 13:10 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Eric asked... >First, the article says, "In Germany, the term 'Krautrock' is not >used." Is this true? The German Wikipedia has an article called >"Krautrock" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock). It's used in Austria at least...I was just in Wien (Vienna) last week, and visited a record/CD shop that had a special section devoted to 'krautrock.' >Later, the article says that T. Dream and Faust called what they >were doing "komische musik", and someone on the discussion page >suggests that that's "a translation of 'krautrock'", but that a >particular German speaker disagreed. A few questions here: > >Should that be "kosmische"? Yes, of course. >"Cosmic" seems rather more appropriate than "comic", for the >music in question :-) Well, I might agree, but some people think my taste in music is sehr komisch*! And they've even told me as much. :) *komisch could translate (literally) to 'comic' but it is very commonly used as just 'odd' or 'strange.' >Does that term (whichever is the correct spelling) now refer >to Krautrock in general, or was it limited to those two >bands' usage of it "back in the day"? Hard for me to say really...as I only have a 'revisionist' view of things, not having been aware of it until the early 80s. But I doubt that it was ever focussed on just two (or a few) bands. But, yes, of course, Faust famously included a track called "Krautrock" on the IV album (a recommended album, BTW, though I like the rest of it better than the "Krautrock" track). Julian Cope seemed to suggest (though I don't know if I believe his story) that a track by Amon Duul (ADI essentially) made first reference to 'kraut' and thus the name was born. I tend to think it was just called such by English fans who just naturally put the two words together, whether intended to be derogatory or not. I suppose Jerryrock would have been yet worse? (Though this term is not known in America, so I don't know how it's used.) Oh, wait, you meant 'kosmische.' Well, I don't think that was also limited so narrowly...in fact, Rolf Ulrich Kaiser had a whole label dedicated to the Cosmic Couriers. And I think Agitation Free, Ash Ra, and that whole Berlin scene must have been together in the 'kosmische' category, as well as AD2 and a bunch of other lesser knowns around the country. But I would suggest 'krautrock' was yet broader than 'kosmische' 'cause there are some hard Deep Purple-ish German 70s bands that are often dubbed krautrock without being particularly 'kosmische.' Lucifer's Friend, Birth Control, that sort of thing. Here's an article worth linking to, for a perspective from someone who was 'there.' I didn't re-read it entirely just now, but I do remember that he's quite critical of those who 'worship' (and create legends from) what to them was just amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any great movement going on. (I tend to disagree.) :) http://www.furious.com/perfect/krautrock.html >Shouldn't "Musik" be capitalized? (That's about the only >rule of German grammar that I think I know, so again I'm >skating on pretty thin ice...) Yes. From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Sun Nov 14 22:12:47 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Blue Wizard) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:12:47 -0800 Subject: HW: Golden Void Interview Message-ID: Just got this nice double set of stuff I already have heard (or, rather, have had on CD before on numerous compilations and CDs, fellow kompeletists!) all save the tasty Dave Brock interview which was a nice bonus. "We were the evil guys, Johnny Rotten mentioned us, we weren't just peace and love" etc. etc. Brock seems lucid and informative and cutting edge as hell. The girl interviewing seems to be into grebo... Enjoyable =) Chr. aka FRIGG aka Blue Wizard "I was the commie from Luxembourg Jim Morrison in the last life, ye olde hunters's Christmas "ham" who made 'Hammond Cheese' with The Doors.... Maloney Baloney and The Black Mahoney!!! -Thee Eville Kinge Rippe Offe From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Nov 14 17:43:10 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:43:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK & SCATTERED PLANETS ( afterthoughts and sloterdijk setlist) Message-ID: Greetings friends, I just want to say "thanks" to Ken Palmer and all the good folks at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse'. Having grown up only a few miles away from the gig, I'm still blown away by the fact that an eclectic musician with a mind for 'community activities', moved to the town of Crosswicks and started such a unique music series...Once again.."thanks" It was really a treat to be sharing a bill with Doug McMahon's Scattered Planets again. I think it's been about 2 years now since we both played the same place, at the same time. I know many of the people who attended our first 'Garden Party' event, have fond memories of SP from that night as well. I was impressed by Doug's expanded lineup, and truly enjoyed the work of his 'glissando' guitarist, paired off with John Price ( of the John Price trio). It was quite a mini' 'who's who' last night and thouroghly enjoyable. So, now having said all that, here's the setlist from Sloterdijk. Maybe Doug could post his own setlist too? SLOTERDIJK: 'Cosmic Coffeehouse', Crosswicks, NJ: 11/13/04 Alien Inside You Alien Theme Integration Fred Goldman's Mustache Intersteller Overdrive ( Barrett) The One Eyed Hawk Golden Void ( Brock) Personnel: Mike Burro: synth, programming, tape effects, electric guitar & vocals Jay Adcock: synth, theremins, effects Greg Elwell: electric guitar and effects Jaime DeJesus: Bass guitar and effects website URLs: Cosmic Coffeehouse ( pics from the gig to be posted on this site soon) http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org Sloterdijk http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk Scattered Planets: http://www.scatteredplanets.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 14 18:40:03 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:40:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Electronic Cottage, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 14, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Electronic Cottage (show #9), Alchemical Radio (show #73), and Drool Trough (show #20). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Electronic Cottage (show #9) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we review at Aural Innovations. The Electronic Cottage is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Steve Nicholas - "Nightmare (Iraq)" (from Soundclick.com page) 9 Volt Haunted House - "Astral Sovereign" (from Second Appropriation) Paradox One - "Space Race" (from Alternative Reality) Just Offshore - "Meditation Medication" (from Just Offshore) Furiosa Curiosa - "Chromzungentango" (from Momentum) Graffiti 61 - "Sunspot" (from Droning Velvet) Kyron - "What I Know" (from Persistance Of Secrets) Altres - "Ohrwurm" (from Inkeys 18) Silvercord - "Bioluminesence" (from Chasing Broken Shadows) Dan Pound - "B Mi Suite" (from Other Worlds) Alchemical Radio (show #73) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Weedeater - "Woe's Me" The Vigilantes - "Hoodoo Man" Van & Borner - "Miracles" Tony Denikos - "All I Want" thekokoon - "Ted" The Izzys - "Strange" Strangers On A Train - "Hangin Tree" Spaced Out - "Toxix" Space Mirrors - "It's Cold Today In Underworld" Soundoctrine - "Seven Years Of Good Luck" Soniq Theater - "Vamos A Ver" Shed Studio - "I Know Something" Sasquatch! - "Ramblin' Gyro Blues" Salem Hill - "Love Won't Save The World" Root Deco - "We Come In Peace" Ronin - "Vegetable Man" Drool Trough (show #20) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Diet - "Image This, Alone" (from Cringe.com/pilation Volume IV) Railroads And Clearcuts - "Saga City" (from Cringe.com/pilation Volume IV) Apocalypso - "Then She Remembered The Fur-Lined Glove" (from Cringe.com/pilation Volume IV) Greg Segal - "Wrongs Of Passage" (from Episodes) Satyrswitch - "El Dorado" (from The High Lonesome Sound of Satyrswitch) Skye Klad - "The Windy Tree" (from The Musick of Cupid's Orkustra Asleep Within the Magick Powerhouse of Oz) The Electric Prunes - "Sideshow Charade" (from California) Ritual - "Ava G" (from Nothing Strange) Death & Taxes - "The Suffer Ring" (from The Alaska Expeditions) Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective - "That Old Guy" (from Jihad Cafe) The Slow Slushy Boys - "When Will We Get The Power? Part 2" (from When Will We Get The Power single) Lou & Benny with The Teen Axel Soul Arkestra - "These Eyes" (from Dents De Lait, Dents De Loup/These Eyes single) Parma International - "Don't Live A Lie" (from All About You/Don't Live A Lie single) C. Goff III - "Gwatamokie" (from Bacterial Culture) C. Goff III - "Phonetiquette" (from Ants In My Cabana) M.T. Wizzard - "Holes In Your Gloves" (from We Will Meet Again) Null_Objct - "Come Down From There" (from The Blind Clockmaker) Mahi Mahi - "Blue And Gold" (from He No Wa) Astronaut - "Buried" (fom Times New Romance) Yakuzi - "Instrumental m." (from Ibai Lehorretan Itota) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 14 19:43:18 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:43:18 -0500 Subject: What's the German for "Krautrock"? Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:21:38 -0000, John Rennie wrote: >>Here's an article worth linking to, for a perspective from someone who was >>'there.' I didn't re-read it entirely just now, but I do remember that >>he's quite critical of those who 'worship' (and create legends from) what >>to them was just amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any >>great movement going on. (I tend to disagree.) :) >> >>http://www.furious.com/perfect/krautrock.html > >The article seems a bit cynical. It has that "written on a bad day" feel. >Having said that, "amateurish stuff by people who never thought of any >great movement" seems a fair description of the early Hawkwind. ... or much of my favorite music from *many* different genres. I don't think that's a bad thing at all, which probably contributes a good deal to my love for Hawkwind's music. There's lots of horrible music made by professionals attempting to create a "great movement" ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 14 20:00:10 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:00:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:36:40 +0100, bernhard.pospiech wrote: >What is the new tour called ? Yes, TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. >It is based on the new CD and the theme of this CD is CLONING > >I think that the songs during a gig (of the new tour) should be related >with the CLONING theme >(Like most of the songs during the Black Sword tour were releded with >the BS theme) > > >A) These songs have NOTHING to do with the CLONING theme: > >1) sword of the east >2) hassan I sahba / space is their >3) ode to a time flower If they're going to do a Robert Calvert cover, wouldn't "Test Tube Conceived" be the obvious choice for this tour? Actually, I could imagine that being sung by Alan in his "real" voice (which is a bit thin and vulnerable-sounding, well-suited to the resigned emotion of the song) as opposed to his gruff "Lemmy" voice. >4) wave upon wave >5) psychedelic warlords It strikes me that neither "Brainstorm", "Assault & Battery"/"Golden Void", "Magnu" (unless it's a cloned horse ala Dolly the Sheep, I guess), nor "Hassan i Sahba" have anything to do with cloning (or even androids/robotics). Is it possible to have a HW setlist without *any* of those songs in it? When's the last time THAT happened? ;^) >B) No idea about these songs: > >11) welcome I think that "Welcome" fits any theme related to the potential failings/pitfalls of new technology, sort of a "Brave New World" theme. >Here are some songs which should fit perfectly to the theme of the >forthcoming tour: >- Orgone Accumulator >- Arrival In Utopia >- Born To Go >- Children Of The Sun >- Dust Of Time (!) >- Fable Of A Failed Race >- Heads >- Infinity >- Micro Man >- Transdimensional Man >- We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago >- Robot >- ... Good choices! "Fable of a Failed Race" is a song I'd love to hear them try out. I think it would sound great sung by Dave. >I am sure that there are many more... > >Please let me know what you think Possibly "Right To Decide" (since it's a song about conformity, albeit not necessarily conformity as extreme as being a clone!), maybe "25 Years" too (wasn't the 25th anniversary of the first test tube baby a couple years ago?), then. Any of those Ron Tree raps/rants that mentioned "genetic engineering" ;^). Too bad they don't have a song that covers biology the same way that "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" covers astrophysics (but I can't think of any good double-entendres around names like Watson and Crick). There must be more ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Nov 14 18:56:31 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:56:31 -0500 Subject: Hawk:What a great day!! Message-ID: What a great day...not only did I go to the Orlando Beer Festival(...mmmmmm...beer),but made a stop at the Virgin Megastore on the way. Was able to find the new Hawkwind book, Lemmy's autobio,& the Hawkfest 2002 cd; & also a cd by Adrian Shaw on the bargain rack...my cup runneth over! (None of this easy to find in central Florida, let alone all in one place). Life is good. tim 8>)... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 15 10:13:54 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:13:54 GMT Subject: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:36:40 +0100 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > A) These songs have NOTHING to do with the CLONING theme: > > 1) sword of the east > 2) hassan I sahba / space is their > 3) ode to a time flower > 4) wave upon wave > 5) psychedelic warlords Wave Upon Wave is electronic, so no more reason not to have it than The Iron Dream. > B) No idea about these songs: > > 6) greenback massacre > 7) uncle sams on mars > 8) iron dream > 9) out here we are > 10) brainstorm > 11) welcome Brainstorm fits OK with the concept since presumably clones can go mad too. Welcome is a nice dystopic future hymn and fits OK. > C) These songs fit PERFECT to the CLONING theme: > > 12) spirit of the age > 13) digital nation > 14) angels of death > 15) reality of poverty > 16) to love a machine > 17) angela android > 18) brainbox pollution > 19) master of the universe > > Here are some songs which should fit perfectly to the theme of the > forthcoming tour: > - Orgone Accumulator > - Arrival In Utopia > - Born To Go > - Children Of The Sun > - Dust Of Time (!) > - Fable Of A Failed Race > - Heads > - Infinity > - Micro Man > - Transdimensional Man > - We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago > - Robot Can't see why "Where Are They Now?" shouldn't be in there too ;-) FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 15 10:14:46 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:14:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Disarray (was: CD Rot) In-Reply-To: <417F7059.7090207@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 27/10/2004 10:11, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Weirdest thing I've seen in this line, or rather heard, was last > > time Sherman and I were working on Larry Boyd's Disarray stuff. The `first > > album' we have now put together was generating test discs (burnt through > > Nero using files created in Cool Edit) which were full of unlistenable > > crackly fizz. On one machine only. We burnt a second one and the effect > > had got worse, as if delay had been applied to it. But the blaster in the > > kitchen played them absolutely clean, while two computers' CD drives and > > soundcards picked up a tiny fragment of crackle but no more. We couldn't > > figure out what on earth had happened to the files that made it so > > disastrous for just this one player... > > It could be that errors introduced by a somewhat wonky burner are > smoothed out by the hefty error correction that's built in (especially > these days) to consumer audio CD players but that computer CD drives > (not equipped with such error correction features) cough and spit a bit > more when they run into a bit of digital gristle. > > In my admittedly non-pro experience, computer CD drives are much more > picky about what they will or won't read than standard audio CD players > (which you have to feed a pretty suspect slab of CD before they start to > run into trouble). Yes, but that's just it; it was the best CD player in the house that picked up the trouble. The crap blaster was fine with it and both computers only had a tiny crackle. We got a working copy out in the end, anyway, and the trick now is to get a web-page up for downloads and also some packaging for anyone who might want something they could actually hold. It's all a long way off at the moment, what with term-time and distances, but we are getting somewhere. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Grateful Dead - _Anthem of the Sun_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 15 10:58:06 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:58:06 GMT Subject: The DNA Cowboys [Was: some thoughts...] In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > Too bad they don't have a song that covers biology the > same way that "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" covers astrophysics Well, taking a crack at it between user visits, though it could use a little more work: The DNA Cowboys --------------- Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind Cos I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's nothing to fear Pick the colour of his eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead and exactly how tall Just call me The Clone Ranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet Here's a word in his ear I make Pick'n'Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm a gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone Ranger And I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Don't leave it to nature, get your baby defined We'll release the beta version of the new humankind -- A sub-versive Friend of Fernando Poo From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 15 13:53:23 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:53:23 -0500 Subject: Here & Now Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:39:46 -0000, trev wrote: >The original Here and Now are best, and most recently, represented >(In my opinion), by the band "Ici Maintenants" - "Here and Now", in >French. Their latest album, featuring the legendary Kif Kif on >percussion as well as Stephie Sharpstrings, Twink, and Timmah is >available here - right now - : >http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html I think 'Space and Time' from Ici Maintenants is extremely good, and definitely recommended to those who like mostly instrumental extended jamming-style space-rock. If I had any complaints, it would be that the disc has a sort of candy-coated over-saturated feel, like its TOO colorful, TOO sweet, laid on TOO thick - all dessert and no main course, kind of, like. And also there is the obligatory reggae bit which kind of stops things dead in their tracks for 10 minutes, at least for me. But this is still one of, if not the, best festi-style releases of the past few years in my book. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 15 14:08:17 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:08:17 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:13:54 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Wave Upon Wave is electronic, so no more reason not to have it than >The Iron Dream. But 'The Iron Dream' is ostensibly named for the Spinrad book, so the theme there certainly fits in. Stephan From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 15 15:42:46 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:42:46 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts about the "Take Me To Your Leader" Tour Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:08:17 -0500, Stephan Forstner wrote: >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:13:54 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>Wave Upon Wave is electronic, so no more reason not to have it than >>The Iron Dream. > >But 'The Iron Dream' is ostensibly named for the Spinrad book, so the >theme there certainly fits in. Good point ... albeit in relation more to eugenics than genetics ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 15 18:52:14 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:52:14 GMT Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys (2nd draft) Message-ID: Hmmm, it's easy to obsess once you start at this lark. The DNA Cowboys --------------- Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's nothing to fear Pick the colour of his eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead And exactly how tall Just call me Clone Arranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet Here's a word in his ear I make Pick'n'Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution, which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm the gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone 'Ranger Cos I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Nov 16 05:54:30 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:54:30 +0100 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: Hej, I know a lot of people out there in the Hawkwind musical realm would like to hear about a new project that I have started. It is called the ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com). It is musicians from Malm? and Copenhagen (the ?resund bridge connects the two cities) and we get together as often as we can to make free form space rock improvisations. It contains members of Mantric Muse, Bland Bladen, Gas Giant and the Carpet Knights. We have had so much fun that we will start to play concerts next year as well and maybe record a CD. Anyway, we have a few hours of jams up on our web site. I would love to hear any comments people have.. Enjoy.. scott ObCD- The International Tussler Society- Dresden 10/12/04 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 16 05:59:13 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:59:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Brian Halligan wrote: > Thanks for the show review. I haven't seen the band with Paul and Jules > in the lineup and it was interesting to hear your take on how Paul and > Nick interact as guitarists. I was hoping they would recreate their > chemistry from the excellent Scorched Earth album, but that was a > record/band that had a more egalitarian focus. I would love to see them do a couple of Scorched Earth tracks live, but I don't suppose it'll happen. Adrian wasn't on that of course, but I'm sure he could cope with what is, after all, not a bass-focussed project. That said, when that project was in its first offings, Nick's mail-out talked about exorcising his and Paul's Monster Magnet and Sabbath demons. I love the result, but I can't help feeling we're still waiting for an album answering that description. Given their mutual ear for The Riff, Paul and Nick could do that pretty well I think (and hell, Paul's doing nothing else at the moment :-( ). > Of course, the Walthamstow gig was just one of a scarce few dates the > Frond has played lately. Gearing up for full-on tour might "unleash the > beasts" so to speak. I think it might, if only because Paul would get bored. I don't think Nick wants to tour that intensively *ever* though. > Do your reservations about the current lineup extend to Hit Squad? I'd > say it's among their best records thanks in part to the addition of > Jules on drums. Paul's contribution also helps, though he's basically > relegated to a guest role a la Bari Watts on previous Frond albums. No, I like _Hit Squad_. My reservations don't extend to Jules full-stop, I think he's a good thing. I liked Andy Ward's drumming too but Jules seems to have more attack, if not the same unusual ear for spaces in the rhythm. I can't really tell where Paul is on _Hit Squad_ though, it's not like Bari where you always know when his guitar gets going ("Haven't I heard this excellent solo somewhere before?" Why he's so much more inventive live I'm not quite sure). But as Frond, it's top stuff; songs as ever great, a couple of long pieces (and `Fast Falls The Eventide' is very powerful I think), and a few real rockers which _What Did For the Dinosaurs_ rather lacked I felt. Couple of nothing tracks (I don't go much on `Way Back When' or `It's a Gut Thing') but it's a great album and I'm glad Nick pushed himself to do it, it shows that he's made the extra effort IMO. Classic artwork also :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Hit Squad_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 09:03:13 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:03:13 GMT Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys lyrics (3rd draft) Message-ID: AARRGHHH! Make it stop! I woke up this morning with half another verse. The DNA Cowboys --------------- I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's nothing to fear Pick the colour of his eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead And exactly how tall Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind Just call me Clone Arranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet I'll put a word in his ear I make Pick'n'Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution, which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm the dark horse writer Of the DNA express For the black sheep of your family I'll always do my best Or I'll throw in codon couplets For the long arm of the law But to get through the male This must come from his paw Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do It's a romancing revolution, with love redefined As we release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm the gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone 'Ranger Cos I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind From jperkins at LYCOS.COM Tue Nov 16 09:15:41 2004 From: jperkins at LYCOS.COM (Jeff Perkins) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:15:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys (2nd draft) Message-ID: Of course, it might just be simpler to update some old songs into a useable format. That way the old guys won't have to write/learn new music for these new songs. I thought we could update Magnu which already deals with an animal (and sounds like a genetically modified animal at that, so maybe I didn't need to stray so far) and make it about Dolly. Dolly, sheep with off white wool, I want to cross you with a bull, Taste like lean beef and not like old mutton, do it all at the push of a button Swift as anything that sheep might do, come to me like a good little ewe Sunbeams are my shafts to kill all men who defy my will, Deceit that fears the light of science fly from the glory of my defiance, Good minds are open and take DNA until we have gene maps with which we can play A burning brand was seen to fall, it marked your rump for once and all, The flying hoofbeats gamboling in, come to me and let us spin [wool presumably]. Jeff From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 16 10:20:10 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:20:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys lyrics (3rd draft) In-Reply-To: <200411161403.iAGE3DlJ009871@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:03 +0000, M Holmes wrote: > AARRGHHH! Make it stop! I woke up this morning with half another > verse. Okay, now you just need to come up with a couple of chords of BLANGA to complete everything. Cheers, Paul. PS: Nicely done on the song lyrics. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Nov 16 10:48:15 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:48:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote re: Scorched Earth > That said, when that project was in its first offings, Nick's > mail-out talked about exorcising his and Paul's Monster Magnet and > Sabbath > demons. I love the result, but I can't help feeling we're still waiting > for an album answering that description. Oddly enough, there's a review of Hit Squad floating around from Aquarius Records in San Francisco that described it, at its best, as sounding like bad Monster Magnet and at it's worst imitating Lenny Kravtiz! > Given their mutual ear for The > Riff, Paul and Nick could do that pretty well I think (and hell, Paul's > doing nothing else at the moment :-( ). I'd love to see Scorched Earth become more than a one-off band, I have no doubt they'd eventually reach that Magnet/Sabbath sound. Unfortunately, if it's only an itch to be scratched we probably won't see Scorched Earth 2 any time soon, if ever. Brian --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 11:04:17 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:04:17 GMT Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys lyrics (3rd draft) In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:03 +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > AARRGHHH! Make it stop! I woke up this morning with half another > > verse. > > Okay, now you just need to come up with a couple of chords of BLANGA to > complete everything. Havta admit, I kinda had the chords for Secret Agent running though my head while doing the verses. Not sure about the chorus. The trouble is, even if I could think of music, I dunno how to write it down. > PS: Nicely done on the song lyrics. Thanks. Some thematic conclusion required perhaps? I wondered if it needs a final verse on the dilemma of creating a Hitler/President. It doesn't work very well into western puns though. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Nov 16 11:29:59 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:29:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: DNA Cowboys lyrics (3rd draft) In-Reply-To: <200411161604.iAGG4H8s010337@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 16-Nov-2004 16:04, M Holmes wrote: > Some thematic conclusion required perhaps? I wondered if it > needs a final verse on the dilemma of creating a Hitler/President. It > doesn't work very well into western puns though. Successful interaction with the western puns could be achieved by creating a Texan Hitler/President .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 12:20:40 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:20:40 GMT Subject: OFF: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) Message-ID: The DNA Cowboys --------------- I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's nothing to fear Pick the colour of his eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead And exactly how tall Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind Just call me Clone Arranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet I'll put a word in his ear I make Pick'n'Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution, which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm the dark horse writer Of the DNA express For the black sheep of your family I'll always do my best Or I'll throw in codon couplets For the long arm of the law But to get through the male These must come from his paw Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do It's a romancing revolution, with love redefined As we release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm the gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone 'Ranger Cos I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind So as the gold rush gathers For manufactured spawn And we look to the lands onward And the times to which they're drawn Will they be welcome to the future Or regarding it with fear For producing Good, Bad and Ugly I'm a Clone Engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do We're tailoring our futures with new genes recombined In an untested beta version of the new humankind From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 13:50:28 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:50:28 -0000 Subject: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) In-Reply-To: <200411161720.iAGHKeof012472@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: What tune am I supposed to be singing this to? JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 16 November 2004 17:21 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) The DNA Cowboys --------------- I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's nothing to fear Pick the colour of his eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead And exactly how tall Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind Just call me Clone Arranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet I'll put a word in his ear I make Pick'n'Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution, which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm the dark horse writer Of the DNA express For the black sheep of your family I'll always do my best Or I'll throw in codon couplets For the long arm of the law But to get through the male These must come from his paw Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do It's a romancing revolution, with love redefined As we release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm the gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone 'Ranger Cos I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind So as the gold rush gathers For manufactured spawn And we look to the lands onward And the times to which they're drawn Will they be welcome to the future Or regarding it with fear For producing Good, Bad and Ugly I'm a Clone Engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do We're tailoring our futures with new genes recombined In an untested beta version of the new humankind From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 16 16:05:32 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:35:32 +1030 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Hej, I know a lot of people out there in the Hawkwind musical realm would like to hear about a new project that I have started. It is called the ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com). It is musicians from Malm? and Copenhagen (the ?resund bridge connects the two cities) and we get together as often as we can to make free form space rock improvisations. It contains members of Mantric Muse, Bland Bladen, Gas Giant and the Carpet Knights. We have had so much fun that we will start to play concerts next year as well and maybe record a CD. Anyway, we have a few hours of jams up on our web site. I would love to hear any comments people have.. Enjoy.. scott ObCD- The International Tussler Society- Dresden 10/12/04 From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 16 16:08:45 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:38:45 +1030 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: Hi Scott, Listening to Spacecake. Sounds cool. Cool jams. I would like a cd of this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Hej, I know a lot of people out there in the Hawkwind musical realm would like to hear about a new project that I have started. It is called the ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com). It is musicians from Malm? and Copenhagen (the ?resund bridge connects the two cities) and we get together as often as we can to make free form space rock improvisations. It contains members of Mantric Muse, Bland Bladen, Gas Giant and the Carpet Knights. We have had so much fun that we will start to play concerts next year as well and maybe record a CD. Anyway, we have a few hours of jams up on our web site. I would love to hear any comments people have.. Enjoy.. scott ObCD- The International Tussler Society- Dresden 10/12/04 From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 16:37:03 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:37:03 -0500 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: Hi, am listening to Flying free , a cool groove, would love to have a Cd of this, maybe a double Cd From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 16 17:05:26 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 10:48 -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote re: Scorched Earth > > > That said, when that project was in its first offings, Nick's > > mail-out talked about exorcising his and Paul's Monster Magnet and > > Sabbath > > demons. I love the result, but I can't help feeling we're still waiting > > for an album answering that description. > > Oddly enough, there's a review of Hit Squad floating around from > Aquarius Records in San Francisco that described it, at its best, as > sounding like bad Monster Magnet and at it's worst imitating Lenny > Kravtiz! Do you mean _Hit Squad_ or _Fed To Your Head_? I found a disparaging online review of the latter that made some reference to Lenny Kravitz. Mind you, the reviewer unfortunately did not seem to realise that the Scorched Earth album was a spoof, the band member names were fake, etc. Sad indeed... BTW, here's Paul Simmons' take on the story behind the album (from http://members.rott.chello.nl/cvanderlely/bfrond/disco/projects/projects.htm): >>>>> Ok, so the Scorched earth album was an idea that me and Nick came up with after we went to the pub, had a few beers and thought it would be good to put together a "lost" late 60's fake power trio kind of biker band thing. We spent the next day writing the songs together and then booked some studio time and basically went in and recorded it live with a few overdubs. The lineup was Nick on guitar, bass & vocals (Chuck "The Horse" Kowalski), Joe Propatier (Jay "The Pharaoh" Curd) on drums and me (Randy "The Snake" Kyser) on guitar, harmonica and vocals........guest appearances also included the legendary Bob "Devilfinger" Kramer (that feisty young guitar slinger by the name of Bari Watts) on a couple of tracks too..... <<<<< Interesting! The "basically went in and recorded it live" would imply the bulk of the guitar work is Paul's, not Nick's. > > Given their mutual ear for The > > Riff, Paul and Nick could do that pretty well I think (and hell, Paul's > > doing nothing else at the moment :-( ). > > I'd love to see Scorched Earth become more than a one-off band, I have > no doubt they'd eventually reach that Magnet/Sabbath sound. > Unfortunately, if it's only an itch to be scratched we probably won't > see Scorched Earth 2 any time soon, if ever. I really like the Scorched Earth album, but I'd have to say I'd be a bit uncomfortable with Nick putting out *another* pastiche album in the same genre. I think once is enough. The guy is just too talented to waste time being so overtly derivative. I guess I see it as "been there, done that." I'm a huge fan of power trios, but I think even that august format is not the best for Nick's work. I think his densely layered compositional approach gains immensely from having at least an extra guitar around to fill out the sound---the more virtuoso the better. Cheers, Paul. NP: Scorched Earth, "Woman Gone Bad," _Fed To Your Head_ -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 06:51:55 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:51:55 GMT Subject: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) In-Reply-To: John Rennie's message of Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: John Rennie writes: > What tune am I supposed to be singing this to? I dunno. Something fast like Secret Agent for the verses? It's not like I've ever written music or anything. Suggestions very welcome from those who do. Still tweaking it. I'm not totally happy with the construction of the puns on "The Mail must go through" and "I've come for my paw", though I've had a better idea for the line in the last chorus as a result of Lucy explaining how crossword clues work. Then the question is whether I'd be too embarassed to send it to Dave. FoFP > Subject: OFF: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) > > > The DNA Cowboys > --------------- > > I'm a DNA cowboy > I'm a clone engineer > Just pop your foetus in the tank > There's nothing to fear > Pick the colour of his eyes > From the chart on the wall > Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead > And exactly how tall > > Violets are red, Roses are blue > It's amazing what genetic engineering can do > Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind > We'll release the beta version of the new humankind > > Just call me Clone Arranger > I'm at your service Ma'am > Just a little dash of thymine > Will put a tiger in your pram > Or if you'd prefer a poet > I'll put a word in his ear > I make Pick'n'Mix people > I'm a clone engineer > > Violets are red, Roses are blue > It's amazing what genetic engineering can do > Replacing evolution, which was operating blind > We'll release the beta version of the new humankind > > I'm the dark horse writer > Of the DNA express > For the black sheep of your family > I'll always do my best > Or I'll throw in codon couplets > For the long arm of the law > But to get through the male > These must come from his paw > > Violets are red, Roses are blue > It's amazing what genetic engineering can do > It's a romancing revolution, with love redefined > As we release the beta version of the new humankind > > I'm a midwife of modernity > I'm the gene pool guard > Writing whole generations > I'm a four-letter bard > So when you do your shopping > For the latest kid in town > Come visit the Clone 'Ranger > Cos I'll never let you down > > Violets are red, Roses are blue > It's amazing what genetic engineering can do > So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed > And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind > > So as the gold rush gathers > For manufactured spawn > And we look to the lands onward > And the times to which they're drawn > Will they be welcome to the future > Or regarding it with fear > For producing Good, Bad and Ugly > I'm a Clone Engineer > > Violets are red, Roses are blue > It's amazing what genetic engineering can do > We're tailoring our futures with new genes recombined > In an untested beta version of the new humankind > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 17 07:28:44 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:28:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Peel / Delia Derbyshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Rik Rx wrote: > Delia Derbyshire (BBC Radio Workshop and Space Music pioneer) > made a wonderful electronically processed recording using John's voice in > 1969.... > > Thought it might prove topical to listen to...... > > MP3 Link on this page: > > http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/recordings.php > > Enjoy and savour John's unique voice one last time.... There's some fascinating stuff on that page. Not just the John Peel track, topical though it be, but a load of stuff. I'm now wondering how difficult it would be to find her early works. Also, the couple of interviews, both done when she was sixty-plus and unbeknownst to her going to die in a few years... But *how* alive does she come across? Had she stopped in any way? It seems not. I hope I'm still getting that much out of things when I'm in my closing stages. Yours, Jon ObCD: Lotus - _Complete Fruitage_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 17 12:48:37 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:48:37 -0000 Subject: DNA cowboys lyrics (nearly final version?) In-Reply-To: <200411171151.iAHBptPO005852@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Then the question is whether I'd be too embarassed to send it to Dave. > > FoFP > There's a strong chance that either he or Kris has already seen it, but I'd say 'go for it'. Very much in the spirit of Bob's work and it would fit in superbly with the TMTYL concept. Nick From ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET Wed Nov 17 13:46:45 2004 From: ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:46:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: HW: Amazon Deal Message-ID: In a coupling that's just about perfect for this list, I noticed that on Amazon.com they are prompting Hawkwind-Sonic Assassins and Martin Popoff's Blue Oyster Cult book on a "buy together" basis: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0946719691/qid=1094710084/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl14/103-8988817-5475066?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Nov 18 12:44:01 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:44:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mike Burro/OEB Final appearance of 2004! ( Yule tide performace) 12/10/04 Message-ID: Greetings friends, This e-mail is being sent to inform you of my final appearance of 2004. I'll be returning to Borders Books & Music in Mays Landing, New Jersey as part of their 'New Jersey Songwriters Songshare' evening. The whole thing is FREE and takes place between 8-10 PM on Friday December 10th 2004. At the time of this writing I'll be joined by current OEB bassist Jaime DeJesus, and possibly one or more additional Bishops. We'll be performing three or four acoustic/semi acoustic numbers. Jaime will be playing acoustic bass and I think this will be a great way to ring in the Yule season. For those of you interested in attending, there are several good bars & restaurants nearby, and if there is an interest we'll have an 'after party' at Cavallino Nero, 4760 Route 322, Mays Landing ( 609) 625-0144 In addition to 'beverages', they serve excellent Italian fare, as well as 'bar food'. http://yp.com/yppc.php?pi=NJG2008002&cid=sb To access complete info on the location of the gig, click to: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 2004 was a very good year for The OEBs & SLOTERDIJK. Now I have to hang up my hat for a few months while I prepare for the arrival of our first child in early January. We are already booking shows for the spring and summer seasons, so I hope to see many of you then. Thanks for all the memories on both sides of the Atlantic. All the very best...Mike From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Nov 18 15:58:23 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:58:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1100642727.89067.17.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: >> Oddly enough, there's a review of Hit Squad floating around from >> Aquarius Records in San Francisco that described it, at its best, as >> sounding like bad Monster Magnet and at it's worst imitating Lenny >> Kravtiz! > > Do you mean _Hit Squad_ or _Fed To Your Head_? It was definitely for Hit Squad. I suppose it's possible they had read the Fed to Your Head review at some point and absorbed the Lenny Kravitz comparison. > Interesting! The "basically went in and recorded it live" would imply > the bulk of the guitar work is Paul's, not Nick's. If that's the case, it's nice to see a "name" guitarist without the ego to insist he hog all the playing time. >> I'd love to see Scorched Earth become more than a one-off band, [...] > > I really like the Scorched Earth album, but I'd have to say I'd be a > bit > uncomfortable with Nick putting out *another* pastiche album in the > same > genre. I think once is enough. I just miss the aspect of the Bevis Frond that Scorched Earth represents. I'd be satisfied with a cousin of "Long Black Gown" on the next Frond album. In related news, on the Bevis Frond mailing list there has been discussion about how Nick has been neglecting the long, freakout jams of earlier albums for his three-minute pop song alter-ego. Nick agreed and assembled a CD of unreleased epics called "The Long Stuff" as a community-only release. I've wondered if "Through the Hedge" on Hit Squad wasn't inspired somewhat by the discussion. Still, even though I think it's an amazing song, it's not quite in the same vein as "Superseeder" or "Long Black Gown." Brian --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Nov 18 18:00:33 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:00:33 +0000 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective In-Reply-To: <6C4C2180C82034499D3755A78D0D12540394196E@exdkba022.novo.dk> Message-ID: On 16 Nov 2004, at 10:54, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > the ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com) [...] > musicians [...] get together as often as we can to make free form > space rock improvisations. This is great! :) This is they way space rockers should be working together :) The aficionados can get it unexpurgated in downloaded MP3 form, but I think you could very easily edited some of this down into a plausible CD of space/improv stuff. It wouldn't burn up the charts, maybe, but it would fit into THAT market :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Thu Nov 18 18:19:02 2004 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:19:02 -0600 Subject: HW: Classic Rock magazine Message-ID: The November 2004 issue of Classic Rock magazine has a couple of Hawkwind reviews in it, as well as a few miscellaneous mentions. There is a review of the Queen's University, Belfast, from March 8, 1973 (favorable) and a review of the "Sonic Assassins" book (not so favorable). There is also a beginner's guide to Ozric Tentacles and a discussion of Deep Purple and their "Burn" album. Frank ObCD: Burn - definitely underrated. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 19 11:30:39 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:30:39 GMT Subject: Hawkwind: DNA Cowboys lyrics (final?) Message-ID: I managed to have a couple of SF writers pick at it last night resulting in a couple of edits and a change to the last verse. Any last criticisms needed now... The DNA Cowboys --------------- I'm a DNA cowboy I'm a clone engineer Just pop your foetus in the tank There's no need to fear Pick the colour of her eyes >From the chart on the wall Choose from blonde, brunette or redhead And exactly how tall Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Enhancing intelligence and editing the mind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind Just call me Clone Arranger I'm at your service Ma'am Just a little dash of thymine Will put a tiger in your pram Or if you'd prefer a poet I'll drop a word in his ear I make Pick 'n' Mix people I'm a clone engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do Replacing evolution, which was operating blind We'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm a midwife of modernity I'm the gene pool guard Writing whole generations I'm a four-letter bard So when you do your shopping For the latest kid in town Come visit the Clone 'Ranger 'Cos I'll never let you down Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do So don't leave it to nature, get your baby designed And we'll release the beta version of the new humankind I'm the dark horse writer Of the DNA express For the black sheep of your family I'll always do my best Or I'll throw in codon couplets For the long arm of the law Through the male they must go And they'll come from his paw Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do It's a romancing revolution, with love redefined As we release the beta version of the new humankind So as the gold rush gathers For manufactured spawn Towards the frontier of the future Our world's ever faster drawn Will we be arriving in utopia Or regarding it with fear? By producing Good, Bad and Ugly I'm a Clone Engineer Violets are red, Roses are blue It's amazing what genetic engineering can do We're tailoring our futures with live genes recombined In an untested beta version of the new humankind From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 20 08:30:14 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:30:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 20, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #115), Alchemical Radio (show #74), and Drool Trough (show #21). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #115) The Oresund Space Collective - "Stoned H?ralden" (from Oresund Space Jam 1, web site only) The Black Sea - "California Contact" (from Set and Setting) Stellarscope - "Darklight" (from Wasted Time) Anubis Spire - "It Has Been A Long Time, Hasn't It..." (from Old Lions (In The World Of Snarling Sheep) Spaceseed with Nik Turner - "The Heat Worshipping Space Zombies" (from Future Cities of the Past Pt. 1) Dr Hasbeen - "Looking Glass/World Of Dreams" (from Powered By Beer: Live 1998-2000) Zeitloop - "First Train (Of No Return)" (from Marrakesch) Bampf! - "Behemoth" (from Completely Ear Relevant) Sparkydog - "Donnas (for the)" (from I Am The Machines Vol. 1) The Volta Sound - "Faustrock" (from Dandelion Wine) Alchemical Radio (show #74) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Adrian Shaw - "Bide My Time" Album - "El Dia Que" Annie Grace - "Farewell To Lochaber" Anton Barbeau - "Keep My Face Clean" Axess Maxxess - "Close Encounter" Beggar's Belief Ltd - "Icon (Only This)" The Bevis Frond - "Am I Burning?" Bronze - "Can't Laugh" The Buzzrats - "Cool Papa Bell" Cafebar 401 - "Full-Pro Disco!" Don Campau & Ray Carmen - "All Of It" Cheap Wine - "Fade Out" Crevice - "Vegetable Man" Deejer - "Father Figure" David Eggar & Thomas Simon - "Boreas" Drool Trough (show #21) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Captain Exploder - "Skywriting For Rocket Angel" (from Cringe.com/pilation Volume IV) Argon Evolution - "5v7" (from Human) Silvercord - "God Came Down" (from Chasing Broken Shadows) Rik Wright's Zen Tornado - "Hummingbirds Don't Sing" (from Rik Wright's Zen Tornado) Little Fyodor - "You Give Me Hardon" (from Beneath The Uber-Putz) Little Fyodor - "I Wanna Be The Buddha" (from Beneath The Uber-Putz) Walls Of Genius - "I Live For The Sun" (from Before ...And After) Infinite Ego - track 12 (from Savior Onasis) Paradox One - "The End Of All Things" (from Alternative Reality) Thekokoon - "Order" (from Independent) The Flatmates - "Happy All The Time" (from Love and Death: The Flatmates 86-89) The Wire Orchestra - "Me, My, Why Oh Why?" (from The Wire Orchestra) Human Host - "Space Pilgrim" (from Invisible Arteries) Jules Worsley - "Strawberry Cream" (from Purge) Sub-Primitive - "Cave Painting" (from Cave Painting Demo) Holy Frog - "Robert Pirsig Blues" (from Holy Frog) Sparkydog - "Freaky" (from I Am The Machines Vol. 1) Stellarscope - "Out Of Time" (from Wasted Time) Wake the Pilot - track 3 (from Wake the Pilot) Camilla - "Fear Level Orange" (from Of Beas and Flies) http://Aural-Innovations.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Nov 22 14:37:41 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:37:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK & One Eyed Bishops Holiday sale items on Ebay Message-ID: Hello all, we're offering 7 titles on ebay with very low starting bids..Many of them haven;t been available for awhile..all the best...Mike titles include: SLOTERDIJK: Hamburg Hawkfest 2000 SLOTERDIJK: Uranium Zone SLOTERDIJK: PEMAF SLOTERDIJK: Alien Theme One Eyed Bishops: Landing Pad ( Live 2003) One Eyed Bishops: 'At the School of Rock-n-Roll' studio album 2003 w/ many special guests) OEB: NYC Greg Ridley Memorial Concert ( with Stewkey from The Nazz ) From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Nov 22 21:41:46 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:41:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: HW: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: <9777680.1100717205221.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>; from ianabrahams@FSMAIL.NET on Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 07:46:45PM +0100 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 07:46:45PM +0100, Ian Abrahams wrote: > In a coupling that's just about perfect for this list, I noticed that on Amazon.com they are prompting Hawkwind-Sonic Assassins and Martin Popoff's Blue Oyster Cult book on a "buy together" basis: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0946719691/qid=1094710084/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl14/103-8988817-5475066?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 I wonder whether those Buy Them Together deals are prompted by people's actual buying patterns, or by selection by Amazon staff? If it's the former, then how many of you are like me, partly responsible for that pairing? ;-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Nov 23 11:43:31 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:43:31 +0000 Subject: BOC: "Blue =?UTF-8?B?aVDDtmQgQ3VsdCI=?= Message-ID: Someone forwarded me this image, so I guess it's been doing the rounds on the internet. Still, if anyone hasn't seen it, I've linked to it: It's a quick chuckle :) Cheer, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 06:37:03 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:37:03 GMT Subject: BOC: HW: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > I wonder whether those Buy Them Together deals are prompted > by people's actual buying patterns, or by selection by Amazon > staff? If it's the former, then how many of you are like me, > partly responsible for that [BOC & HW] pairing? ;-) Besos was very into automation. I'd bet he has some data-mining algorithms to track buying patterns. Lately they seem to be introducing an Ebay type feedback/reputation system too. Apart from them being unable to find one thing (not a book) that I ordered, I've been a happy bunny. I was also worried when they took over Bibliofind, which I used to use, but their "Find it Used" service has proved pretty damn good also. The only trick is having to compile orders so that I don't have to pay postage. FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 24 08:41:02 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:41:02 +0000 Subject: 1973 question Message-ID: What was the story with Orgone Accumulator and Upside Down? They were very Doremi type songs but obviously not on the album only Space Ritual live. Were they part of the Doremi sessions and couldn't fit on the single album or were they written only for the Space Ritual tour? Orgone Accumulator (which is one of my favourite songs) also has quite a good version on the Space Ritual 2 album also, which was probably from the same tour. Eddie. From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed Nov 24 09:00:01 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:00:01 +0100 Subject: 1973 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Isn't Space Ritual 2 the very same recording remixed and with complete version of the songs, the original is much better mixed IMHO. onsdagen den 24 november 2004 kl 14.41 skrev eddie jobson: > What was the story with Orgone Accumulator and Upside Down? They were > very > Doremi type songs but obviously not on the album only Space Ritual > live. > Were they part of the Doremi sessions and couldn't fit on the single > album > or were they written only for the Space Ritual tour? Orgone Accumulator > (which is one of my favourite songs) also has quite a good version on > the > Space Ritual 2 album also, which was probably from the same tour. > > Eddie. > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 24 09:20:27 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:20:27 +0000 Subject: 1973 question In-Reply-To: <220AB49F-3E21-11D9-926E-0050E450F316@tninet.se> Message-ID: Yeah I think SR live came from Liverpool and Brixton and SR2 is the Brixton gig. Think Orgone Accumulator is different though. Think I might have the Liverpool one on a bootleg cassette? >From: Kenneth Magnusson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: 1973 question >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:00:01 +0100 > >Isn't Space Ritual 2 the very same recording remixed and with complete >version of the songs, the original is much better mixed IMHO. >onsdagen den 24 november 2004 kl 14.41 skrev eddie jobson: > >>What was the story with Orgone Accumulator and Upside Down? They were >>very >>Doremi type songs but obviously not on the album only Space Ritual >>live. >>Were they part of the Doremi sessions and couldn't fit on the single >>album >>or were they written only for the Space Ritual tour? Orgone Accumulator >>(which is one of my favourite songs) also has quite a good version on >>the >>Space Ritual 2 album also, which was probably from the same tour. >> >>Eddie. >> From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 24 12:59:36 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:59:36 -0500 Subject: HAWK AID - OFFICIAL LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: THE HAWKWIND MUSEUM IN CONJUNCTION WITH STARFARER'S HAWKWIND PAGE PRESENT HAWK AID For full details visit the following pages http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hawk_aid.htm http://www.starfarer.net/hawkaid.html This is a fan based attempt to get Hawkwind back to somewhere they haven't been for the last 30 years - the UK singles charts (we're talking major hits here, we'll ignore the minor success of QSC) We firmly believe that with a co-ordinated approach and the help of you - the fans we can achive this goal and in doing so create a little bit of history. Things are in their very early stages at the moment but this has to change quickly as basically we don't have a lot of time. Hopefully we can count on the support of list members in this project and will keep you informed of major developments as and when they occur, but for more general news make sure you regualrly visit either the Hawkwind Museum or Starfarer's Hawkwind Page. Regards one and all DAVE AND STEVE From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 24 14:38:15 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:38:15 -0000 Subject: "LIVE AT GLASTONBURY" Judge Trev and jaki Windmill - new RFM album Message-ID: Hi Y'All - thought you might be interested in this LIVE AT GLASTONBURY JUDGE TREV and JAKI WINDMILL Recorded live at the pedal generator powered Mandala Marquee at Glastonbury Fest 2004, this milestone album is a CDR of the their first ever gig as a duo. Jaki will surprise you with her beautiful "meadow lark" vocals as well as her songwriting talents. Towards the end of the gig, who should walk in but Hawkwind's Ron Tree who took the stage and performed a couple of acoustic solo songs, including "Negative Positive", one of his latest compositions. This is a numbered limited edition of 100, signed by Trev and Jakie. Get it here: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html#judge-jaki REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 26 15:04:30 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:04:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cookin' For You Message-ID: Just in time for the holidays! A B?C-inspired cookbook! http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2004/11/25/Arts/BOC041125.html "Some of the recipes involve arranging ingredients into the shape of an upside-down question mark, the symbol that B?C borrowed from Greek mythology to represent the group." -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Nov 26 15:15:08 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:15:08 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: Here's a list of some of my favorite space and spacerock albums. I've divided them into loose categories, with primary selections and alternates in each category. They are not in any particular order, except that number 1 is number 1 and number 10 probably shouldn't be there at all so it is number 10. I'm sure I'm missing some titles, and next week the list will undoubtedly be slightly different, as it will the week after that, and some of what's there might have its positioning argued with, but what the hey, this is just an excuse for me to list some stuff I like. Read it and then give your own choices. Or don't. 1) ---------------------------------------- Hawkwind - Space Ritual ---- Hawkwind - X In Search of Space Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time Was, is, and probably always will be my number 1 pick. Mention should also be made of Complete Live 79, Levitation, Palace Springs, and IITBOTFTBD. 2) ---------------------------------------- Heldon - I Electronique Guerilla Heldon - III It's Always Rock n Roll Heldon - IV Agneta Nilsson Heldon - VII Stand By --- Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting Richard Pinhas - Chronolyse Heldon started fairly mellow, with guitar lines over synth backing, sometimes sounding much like Fripp & Eno, then moved into krautrock, avant prog, quasi-industrial, and finally full-on prog overload on VII. Pinhas solo albums at this time were more minimalist keys and synth affairs, but the half-hour side-long 'Paul Atreides' track on Chronolyse is one of the all-time great spacerock tracks. 3) ---------------------------------------- Circle - Zopalki Circle - Pori Circle - Prospekt --- Pharaoh Overlord - #1 Ektroverde - Ukkossalama Finnish collective centered around Jussi Lehtisalo, playing space / psych / drone / kraut / punk / industrial / soundscape / jazz / metal / minimalist / hypno / experimental / kitchen sink music. Best band(s) of the 90's. 4) ---------------------------------------- Ash Ra Temple - Ash Ra Temple --- Acid Mothers Temple - La Novia Acid Mothers Temple - In C Agitation Free - At the Cliffs of the River Rhine Pharaoh Overlord - #1 SubArachnoid Space - The Sleeping Sickness Intense, layered, mostly instrumental, guitar-based spacerock. SubArachnoid Space is a US band with a back catalog you can reach into pretty much at random and pull out a winner. I like the Pharaoh Overlord so much I wanted to make it a primary selection, but ended up unable to give it a slot of its own, so to make up for that I've listed it as an alternate twice, here and with Circle. 5) ---------------------------------------- Magma - Mekanik Kommandoh Christian Vander - Wurdah Itah Magma - Kohntarkosz Magma - Hhai / Live --- Weidorje - s/t Universal Totem Orchestra - Rituale Alieno Prog rather than space, and fairly avant prog at that, but its all about space flight to distant planets and the struggle for peace against both human and alien foes so its here. Some of the most intense and, occasionally, beautiful, music ever made in a rock(ish) context. Magma's new release K.A. promises to merit consideration for inclusion as well. 6) ---------------------------------------- Tony Conrad with Faust - Outside the Dream Syndicate Perfect rock minimalism. The 30th anniversary CD edition gives you 40 extra minutes. 7) ---------------------------------------- Amon Duul II - Yeti --- Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei Farflung - So Many Minds, So Little Time Farflung - The Belief Module Pressurehed - Explaining the Unexplained Most space and spacerock music seems to be defined by long-form instrumentals but the occasional band (like Hawkwind) will structure their work mainly around songs. Nevertheless, these songs often have unusual formats and non-standard structures, and extended instrumental takes, both within songs and on their own, are pretty much a requirement. 8) ---------------------------------------- F/i - Space Mantra Vocokesh - Paradise Revisited Yin and yang, two sides of the same coin. Possibly the peak of American spacerock. Vocokesh's recent The Tenth Corner may end up on this list as well. 9) ---------------------------------------- Klaus Schulze - X Tangerine Dream - Zeit Tangerine Dream - Atem Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Analog synths in space. 10) ---------------------------------------- Synaesthesia - Desideratum --- Delerium - Spheres 1 & 2 In the 80's, space music started being made with digital rather than analog synths. As time went on there were good space music discs made with digisynths, but to my ears the level of goodness seemed proportional to how close they came to emulating the old analog sounds. Music made with digital synths that explicitly displays its digital-ity usually just doesn't do it for me. So here are 2 releases that maybe aren't exactly 'best', but which are at least representative. 11) ---------------------------------------- Hawkwind - Text of Festival Parson Sound - s/t Pharaoh Overlord - The Battle of the Axehammer (live) Faust - Land of Ukko and Rauni Neu! - '72 Live Amon Duul - Psychedelic Underground Marble Sheep - Whirl Live Had to add one more category - lo-fi, sludgy, droning, repetitive hippief*ck jamming! Not actually recommended listening, at least to most, but I love this stuff and had to include it. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- The above only scratches the surface of course. Here are a few more that may have just missed inclusion, or that maybe are not quite space/spacerock, but which need to be mentioned anyway. ---------------------------------------- Blue Oyster Cult - B/W trilogy, Imaginos Sci-fi rock rather than spacerock. But required listening nevertheless. ---------------------------------------- Chrome - Alien Soundtracks, Half Machine Lip Moves Out-there experimental punk psych industrial spacerock. ---------------------------------------- Final - Solaris Isolationist ambient space sound sculpture. From the Godflesh crew. ---------------------------------------- Gravitar - Edifier Another US band where random selection from the back catalog pretty much guarantees a winner. Edifier was their last and best release - possibly my favorite free / experimental / noise rock record ever. And it grooves like a bastard. ---------------------------------------- King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King, USA Court is sci-fi prog rock rather than spacerock, but still pretty much required listening. Later on the band would do lots of extended instrumental improv work, much of it being really excellent spacerock - The Great Deceiver boxset offers some great examples, but USA will give you a condensed version. Also, Earthbound, though usually considered the band's nadir (and from a strictly prog-rock viewpoint, rightly so) is actually a fairly good, slightly funky spacerock record. ---------------------------------------- Loop - Fade Out, Wolf Flow Layered psych-drone-rawk. Richard Hampson would later work as the experimental / ambient Main. ---------------------------------------- Ozric Tentacles - Erpland, Strangeitude Mention should also be made of Steve Hillage - Fish Rising, and yes, I know, Gong should be in here somewhere, I promise I will be picking up their classic albums at some time in the future! ---------------------------------------- Pink Floyd - early '70s live material Together with Hawkwind, PF pretty much codified the spacerock sound in the early 70's. The band has basically given their permission for fans to freely distribute old live recordings, so try to pick up some live sets from '70 and '71. ---------------------------------------- Skullflower - Ruins, Last Shot at Heaven, Carved Into Roses Heavy noise / free rock pioneers. Matthew Bower would later work as Total and Sunroof! before recently starting up Skullflower again. ---------------------------------------- ST 37 - Spaceage, Nunavut Yet another US band with a deep and satisfying back catalog. Their releases more or less alternate between song-based collections (Spaceage) and instrumental improvs (Nunavut). Their most recent release (The Insect Hospital) is a collection of older material and contains examples of both, so would make a good introduction to the band. ---------------------------------------- Nik Turner - Past or Future? Should perhaps be in the Hawkwind slot, but I don't begrudge Nik his own section, as long as he doesn't try to appropriate the Hawkwind name. ---------------------------------------- That's it for now, Stephan From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Nov 26 15:32:35 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:32:35 -0000 Subject: Cookin' For You In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And if you want to order a copy, you'll be pleased to hear that all profits will be put towards the cost of getting someone to a BOC gig, someone who otherwise would not be able to afford to go. The people primarily behind the book (Kira, Mark and Mike) are GOOD people and they deserve your support. The book can be ordered at http://www.bocfanscookbook.com/. There's only a limited supply so you'll have to hurry. While you're there, check out Mark's BOC inspired artwork (under Mark's work). He's done some great work. I've got a copy of "Poison's In My Bloodstream" frame and on my wall! Tony From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 26 16:18:49 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:18:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > Just to remind you that Litmus will be playing at the Standard in > Walthamstow on Friday, November 5th with support from Huw Lloyd-Langton, > who will be playing an acoustic set. I went, of course, what could I be doing on Bonfire Night that could be better than that. A fair few other people did also so the word is clearly spreading, even if only in North-East London. Gigs at the Standard are beginning to fall into a special category for me. There's always people I know there, the bands seem more relaxed than you see them elsewhere, and what was meant as a gig often winds up being more like being down the pub with some mates who happen to be musicians. I come away not caring so much what the performance was like because I had a good time anyway. Not to say I haven't seen some very fine gigs there but it's not as much the point of going as elsewhere. The other thing is that I seem to keep going there to see ageing guitarists on what we fervently hope, but sometimes easily could be, their last time on stage. Tony Hill I never expected to see set up to playing live so readily again; I'm never quite sure the Bevis Frond will ever gig a next time each time I see them; and then there's Huw Lloyd Langton, on whom the world seems to drop so much health and life woe that it's always a relief to see him actually present and able to play. He was sitting for most of the time he was on stage this time, and walking with evident difficulty, but after seeing him I always feel the world will probably continue a bit longer and have my faith renewed in the power of music to keep people going and other bits of hippy twaddle like that. Again, it doesn't always matter whether or not he's very good, and I've seen him both better and worse than he played this night. He was clearly not well, he also repeatedly complained that the stage lights were so bright that he couldn't see his own strings, but he was still chirpy and chatty. First thing he said to the crowd was, "Well, wot yer gonna sing for me then?" (how can one man have a speaking voice *so* Cockney and a singing voice *so* Welsh?) and he kept us entertained throughout, including by starting with `Wars Are the Hobby There' of which he almost spoke more than he sang. The rest of thet was `Wind of Change' (with the `Fifth Second of Forever' theme as intro and outro), `Smokestack Lightning' (which his voice, not good tonight, actually fitted quite well), `Rocky Paths' (with an excellent coda I didn't recogniand may well have been spontaneous), `Solitary Mind Games' (which rather fell over at the end) and an oddly minor-key version of `Hurry on Sundown' which sounded much more plaintive in his voice. I hope his health improves, because I've seen him so much better than this, but seeing him at all is always a blessing and he was no disgrace to his reputation at all. I'm still trying to work out what it is about Huw's playing that always gets me; he always seems to go for the most mournful path through any given musical stage, there's no-one else like him. As for Litmus, well, I guess there has to come a point when any band which is excelling its previous performance every gig turns in one which isn't quite as excellent as one of the previous ones and I thought this was probably it. Slightly freer attitude to things maybe, more experimentation, more to not quite hit the `eleven' mark. Maybe I was just grum. I thought it was very good, but not up to their usual world-beating standards. They opened with `Twinstar', though, so that was obviously good, and followed it with the new `Destroy the Mothership' which is going to be very very good on record and always better live. Very short number full of attack (you'd never guess from the title eh?) and diving riff. If this number was a soldier it'd be a Ghurkha. Top stuff. So it was after that that it started to wander just a little, maybe. `Dreams of Space' was very good, but it wasn't quite as fiercely intense as the version at the Underworld which I nearly died trying to stay the course of the mosh for the entire break in. Maybe an unrealistic standard but obviously once you know they can do that you're going to hope for it again... I don't think there was anything wrong with `(Theta Wave) Oscillator' either but as a result of the new stuff it's no longer my favourite thing they do live and it seemed shorter than usual this time as well. And though `Sonic Light' is a great little bounce it's beginning to look a little throwaway besides the rest of the setlist. You can probably tell that by now I'd made up my mind this wasn't the best I'd seen them, and I was tired and guarding a rucksack so it's only fair to say I may have been less open to it than I was at the Underworld. I did think things just weren't *quite* as tightly focussed as that time. Partly I think it felt as if Marek's steamroller drum approach wasn't being quite subtle enough to really kick the songs into orbit; he was hitting as much as he could all the time, and without much by way of variation between numbers. There definitely wasn't as much of the `Om Riff'-like shape-changing in `Oscillator' you get on the record. Maybe as I say not as much time for it though. So yeah, Difficult to put my finger on, I just wasn't quite as blown away as usual. The site went on with `Rays of Sonic Light', anyway, and then into the new `Under the Sun', where I can tell you what I thought was off. This number is plainly still under development and I like the previous bassline a lot better. It's got the potential to be one of those five-minute songs that feels as if it took you through three times that much at serious intensity, but it was more insanely danceable at the Underworld and whatever they've done to it I hope it gets changed back. It may have just been the way things worked that day of course in which case I hope to see it better yet, it's a great piece and will make their name live eternal if done right. Moreover, they followed it with `Evil', which I only knew from the sample on the website and had sadly assumed was now discarded. I do hope not. Even if, as it seems, it's little more than the crushing riff and mantra chorus that the sample holds, it's still magic and should be sandwiched between two big numbers in a suite as soon as possible, and I was very glad thear it, but it did seem to me as if the band weren't quite sure what to do with because it's so encapsulated, difficult to lead into or stop and not worth doing for long in case its effect weakens. Still, helped make my night. A few minutes of electronic noise ensued while the stringsmen went off stage with Marek and all three retruned with Huw, which he'd warned us might happen (his electric being on stage was a small hint also) and which obviously we were delighted to see. Bravely, they started with a Litmus number, which was `Infinity Drive', and that went OK, but Huw didn't really know where the changes were coming and con't contribute much beyond understudied space noise. The care Litmus were taking of him rather damped their own performance without helping his, I thought, but it's still a good number, it just had a bit of trouble during the last break because of all this. Perhaps wisely, therefore, that was the last Litmus track we got for a while, which is obviously a shame, but on the other hand with Huw on stage this wasn't quite Litmus anyway. It did show how Simon can share the stage with another excellent guitarist and not look either shoddy or stage-hogging though. Anyway, we got `Waiting For Tomorrow', a really quite good `Motorway City', an excellent `Moonglum' (I've never seen a bad version of this though--I was impressed by Martin apparently being faithful to the lyrics in the chrous, I could never pronounce them correctly and with a straight face at the same time... ) and then something which I can't now read in my notes. I remember them doing `Invader', but I've scratched it out further up the setlist--perhaps it was here? I should remember, but this detail eludes me (and I await corrections from Colin on half of the others :-) Last track of the main set was an unexpected but thoroughly enjoyable `Needle Gun' (it's appalling how long it took me to recognise this, I clearly haven't played _Malpractise_ half enough lately), and with it still ringing in the rafters Litmus left the stage. Before too long coaxed back on again, they formed up for more and Simon told us they were going to attempt a jam. Whether this was really the plan I don't know but after about a minute-and-a-half of noodling he himself got bored of the idea and went into a certain well-known riff, and thus the encore was a thoroughly excellent `Right Stuff'. It seems like I'm seeing this number at every second gig I'm going to nowadays (I wonder if Space Ritual did it on the 12th?) but when it's this good I don't mind. Finished just about in time for me to see that Colin had finally overcome the band's seeming reluctance to ever have anything to do with merchandise (t-shirts I tell you!), in as much as there were CDs available, and then scooted for last tube, which I caught with one to spare, and heaed southward. A good night. Looking forward to the next one I can get to, yours, Jon ObCD: Gorilla - _Gorilla_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Nov 26 19:06:37 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:06:37 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: Great list Stephan; I'll use it as a guide to expand my spacerock collection. Would like to know where you find Marble Sheep cds, all i've ever found was _Stone Marby_(love the track "inside out") tim 8>)... Stephan Forstner wrote: > > Here's a list of some of my favorite space and spacerock albums. I've > divided them into loose categories, with primary selections and alternates > in each category. They are not in any particular order, except that number 1 > is number 1 and number 10 probably shouldn't be there at all so it is number > 10. I'm sure I'm missing some titles, and next week the list will > undoubtedly be slightly different, as it will the week after that, and some > of what's there might have its positioning argued with, but what the hey, > this is just an excuse for me to list some stuff I like. Read it and then > give your own choices. Or don't. > > 1) ---------------------------------------- > Hawkwind - Space Ritual > ---- > Hawkwind - X In Search of Space > Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido > Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill > Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time > > Was, is, and probably always will be my number 1 pick. Mention should also > be made of Complete Live 79, Levitation, Palace Springs, and IITBOTFTBD. > > 2) ---------------------------------------- > Heldon - I Electronique Guerilla > Heldon - III It's Always Rock n Roll > Heldon - IV Agneta Nilsson > Heldon - VII Stand By > --- > Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting > Richard Pinhas - Chronolyse > > Heldon started fairly mellow, with guitar lines over synth backing, > sometimes sounding much like Fripp & Eno, then moved into krautrock, avant > prog, quasi-industrial, and finally full-on prog overload on VII. Pinhas > solo albums at this time were more minimalist keys and synth affairs, but > the half-hour side-long 'Paul Atreides' track on Chronolyse is one of the > all-time great spacerock tracks. > > 3) ---------------------------------------- > Circle - Zopalki > Circle - Pori > Circle - Prospekt > --- > Pharaoh Overlord - #1 > Ektroverde - Ukkossalama > > Finnish collective centered around Jussi Lehtisalo, playing space / psych / > drone / kraut / punk / industrial / soundscape / jazz / metal / minimalist / > hypno / experimental / kitchen sink music. Best band(s) of the 90's. > > 4) ---------------------------------------- > Ash Ra Temple - Ash Ra Temple > --- > Acid Mothers Temple - La Novia > Acid Mothers Temple - In C > Agitation Free - At the Cliffs of the River Rhine > Pharaoh Overlord - #1 > SubArachnoid Space - The Sleeping Sickness > > Intense, layered, mostly instrumental, guitar-based spacerock. SubArachnoid > Space is a US band with a back catalog you can reach into pretty much at > random and pull out a winner. I like the Pharaoh Overlord so much I wanted > to make it a primary selection, but ended up unable to give it a slot of its > own, so to make up for that I've listed it as an alternate twice, here and > with Circle. > > 5) ---------------------------------------- > Magma - Mekanik Kommandoh > Christian Vander - Wurdah Itah > Magma - Kohntarkosz > Magma - Hhai / Live > --- > Weidorje - s/t > Universal Totem Orchestra - Rituale Alieno > > Prog rather than space, and fairly avant prog at that, but its all about > space flight to distant planets and the struggle for peace against both > human and alien foes so its here. Some of the most intense and, > occasionally, beautiful, music ever made in a rock(ish) context. Magma's new > release K.A. promises to merit consideration for inclusion as well. > > 6) ---------------------------------------- > Tony Conrad with Faust - Outside the Dream Syndicate > > Perfect rock minimalism. The 30th anniversary CD edition gives you 40 extra > minutes. > > 7) ---------------------------------------- > Amon Duul II - Yeti > --- > Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei > Farflung - So Many Minds, So Little Time > Farflung - The Belief Module > Pressurehed - Explaining the Unexplained > > Most space and spacerock music seems to be defined by long-form > instrumentals but the occasional band (like Hawkwind) will structure their > work mainly around songs. Nevertheless, these songs often have unusual > formats and non-standard structures, and extended instrumental takes, both > within songs and on their own, are pretty much a requirement. > > 8) ---------------------------------------- > F/i - Space Mantra > Vocokesh - Paradise Revisited > > Yin and yang, two sides of the same coin. Possibly the peak of American > spacerock. Vocokesh's recent The Tenth Corner may end up on this list as well. > > 9) ---------------------------------------- > Klaus Schulze - X > Tangerine Dream - Zeit > Tangerine Dream - Atem > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon > > Analog synths in space. > > 10) ---------------------------------------- > Synaesthesia - Desideratum > --- > Delerium - Spheres 1 & 2 > > In the 80's, space music started being made with digital rather than analog > synths. As time went on there were good space music discs made with > digisynths, but to my ears the level of goodness seemed proportional to how > close they came to emulating the old analog sounds. Music made with digital > synths that explicitly displays its digital-ity usually just doesn't do it > for me. So here are 2 releases that maybe aren't exactly 'best', but which > are at least representative. > > 11) ---------------------------------------- > Hawkwind - Text of Festival > Parson Sound - s/t > Pharaoh Overlord - The Battle of the Axehammer (live) > Faust - Land of Ukko and Rauni > Neu! - '72 Live > Amon Duul - Psychedelic Underground > Marble Sheep - Whirl Live > > Had to add one more category - lo-fi, sludgy, droning, repetitive hippief*ck > jamming! Not actually recommended listening, at least to most, but I love > this stuff and had to include it. > > ---------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------- > > The above only scratches the surface of course. Here are a few more that may > have just missed inclusion, or that maybe are not quite space/spacerock, but > which need to be mentioned anyway. > > ---------------------------------------- > Blue Oyster Cult - B/W trilogy, Imaginos > > Sci-fi rock rather than spacerock. But required listening nevertheless. > > ---------------------------------------- > Chrome - Alien Soundtracks, Half Machine Lip Moves > > Out-there experimental punk psych industrial spacerock. > > ---------------------------------------- > Final - Solaris > > Isolationist ambient space sound sculpture. From the Godflesh crew. > > ---------------------------------------- > Gravitar - Edifier > > Another US band where random selection from the back catalog pretty much > guarantees a winner. Edifier was their last and best release - possibly my > favorite free / experimental / noise rock record ever. And it grooves like a > bastard. > > ---------------------------------------- > King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King, USA > > Court is sci-fi prog rock rather than spacerock, but still pretty much > required listening. Later on the band would do lots of extended instrumental > improv work, much of it being really excellent spacerock - The Great > Deceiver boxset offers some great examples, but USA will give you a > condensed version. Also, Earthbound, though usually considered the band's > nadir (and from a strictly prog-rock viewpoint, rightly so) is actually a > fairly good, slightly funky spacerock record. > > ---------------------------------------- > Loop - Fade Out, Wolf Flow > > Layered psych-drone-rawk. Richard Hampson would later work as the > experimental / ambient Main. > > ---------------------------------------- > Ozric Tentacles - Erpland, Strangeitude > > Mention should also be made of Steve Hillage - Fish Rising, and yes, I know, > Gong should be in here somewhere, I promise I will be picking up their > classic albums at some time in the future! > > ---------------------------------------- > Pink Floyd - early '70s live material > > Together with Hawkwind, PF pretty much codified the spacerock sound in the > early 70's. The band has basically given their permission for fans to freely > distribute old live recordings, so try to pick up some live sets from '70 > and '71. > > ---------------------------------------- > Skullflower - Ruins, Last Shot at Heaven, Carved Into Roses > > Heavy noise / free rock pioneers. Matthew Bower would later work as Total > and Sunroof! before recently starting up Skullflower again. > > ---------------------------------------- > ST 37 - Spaceage, Nunavut > > Yet another US band with a deep and satisfying back catalog. Their releases > more or less alternate between song-based collections (Spaceage) and > instrumental improvs (Nunavut). Their most recent release (The Insect > Hospital) is a collection of older material and contains examples of both, > so would make a good introduction to the band. > > ---------------------------------------- > Nik Turner - Past or Future? > > Should perhaps be in the Hawkwind slot, but I don't begrudge Nik his own > section, as long as he doesn't try to appropriate the Hawkwind name. > > ---------------------------------------- > > That's it for now, > Stephan From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 27 19:02:49 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:02:49 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: Interesting list... a few comments/questions... > >4) ---------------------------------------- >Ash Ra Temple - Ash Ra Temple > --- >Acid Mothers Temple - La Novia >Acid Mothers Temple - In C >Agitation Free - At the Cliffs of the River Rhine >Pharaoh Overlord - #1 >SubArachnoid Space - The Sleeping Sickness > >Intense, layered, mostly instrumental, guitar-based spacerock. I only discovered Ash Ra Tempel relatively recently- I knew the name for aeons, but my first exposure to their music was at the Manuel Gottsching/Klaus Schulze reunion gig (under the ART name) at the RFH a few years ago... which wasn't great- noodly chillout music, nice enough but nothing special (that performance was released as a live album, Gin Rose, though I've never heard it). Anyway I gave them the benefit of the doubt and sometime later picked up the first Ash Ra Tempel album (probably because I saw it going cheap somewhere, thus are a few great purchases and some not-so-great ones made) and it is as you say an absolute classic, a thousand times better than the concert I'd seen. The only other one I have is "Join Inn", which- naff title aside- is of a similar standard (similar format too- two side-long pieces, first side freaked-out jamming enlivened by Schulze's incredible drumming, second side much more meditative, almost devotional). Anyway I'm wondering where to go next with them, the early albums featuring the original trio are, I'm guessing, all worthwhile, but at a certain point (around '76?) it seems to become essentially a Gottsching solo project- how is that stuff? One album that I've often seen available at cheapish price is "Inventions for Electric Guitar"- anyone got any comments on that? Moving on to Acid Mothers, I've generally found them an amazing live band, but they unfortunately seem to have got into the habit of releasing far toom much (any old noisy jam session will do it seems) regardless of quality- the last album I bought was "Electric Heavyland" which I felt was just an inferior rehash of their usual ingredients. But your AMT choices are interesting, as "In C" is easily my favourite of the albums I've heard, but I've never heard La Novia, (though I've heard the title track performed live a few times), so I'm wondering whether I should check that one out, despite deciding a while ago that I really didn't need any more AMT albums. Another question- Amon Duul's "Psychedelic Underground"- where does this fit into the Amon Duul I/II saga- is this the one that was recorded right at the start before the split? How does it sound compared to Paradieswarts Duul, say? Thanks for stimulating some curiosity Nick From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 27 22:34:37 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:34:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 28, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #116), and Alchemical Radio (show #75). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html BACK IN STOCK at the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Man In Space - "For Medicinal Use Only" The sophomore release from Belgian spacers Man In Space is a killer heavy Space Rock blitz. Man In Space draw on various influences including prog rock, Hawkwind, metal, King Crimson, and even shades of Neu-ish electronica... but it's pure Space Rock. 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Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Frank Gingeleit - "Toy Island Part 1" Paul Stephen Duffy (PSD) - "Dive Deep" Leandra Hill - "Fear" Jelinek Horst Attila - "Migraine" Troy Lukkarila - "Sidewalk Preacher" Paul Bullock - "Just A Poem" Sputnik Weazel - "Oranges In Rooms" Steve Power - "A Normal Man" Superczar - "Crazy" Thinking Plyers - "Saw You Dancing" Steppin In It - "Perfect Crime" Mandragora Lightshow Society - "Betty Day" Sputnik Weazel - "Look At Those Hands" Troy Lukkarila - "Match" Radium 88 - "Disenchanted" Frank Gingeleit - "Toy Island Part 2" http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 28 08:32:49 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:32:49 +0000 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective In-Reply-To: <6C4C2180C82034499D3755A78D0D12540394196E@exdkba022.novo.dk> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I know a lot of people out there in the Hawkwind musical realm would > like to hear about a new project that I have started. It is called the > ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com). It is > musicians from Malm? and Copenhagen (the ?resund bridge connects the > two cities) and we get together as often as we can to make free form > space rock improvisations. It contains members of Mantric Muse, Bland > Bladen, Gas Giant and the Carpet Knights. We have had so much fun that > we will start to play concerts next year as well and maybe record a > CD. Anyway, we have a few hours of jams up on our web site. I would > love to hear any comments people have.. There's a *lot* of material there :-) Given the mentions of Gas Giant above I was surprised how jazzy it is, mostly down to an excellent and clearly jazz-based drummer I think. More Quarkspace/Melting Euphoria than Das Ludicorix therefore despite being essentially the same aim as the latter project. I don't really go much on Quarkspace, finding them rather sterile on what little I've heard, but this is more like my idea of fun. Not to say I dopn't wish for a solid blanga riff or chord sequence to get set up at times, but the patches when all the musicians were attuned enough to jump from idea to idea with each other are worth a good deal of waiting, especially as the `hold music' is so pleasant. If this stuff was going out onto disc, a whole load could be done with editing; not brutal excisions, but I'm thinking of possibly the best Das Ludicroix track, an epic called `Frozen Other (My Wings Are Like a Shield of Steel)', which came out of a 22-minute piece which did, unlike a lot of DL pieces, manage to change direction entirely midway through and this is the main reason why it's so blinding; but the other reason is that Larry edited out a lot of the indecisive wandering from the middle where the lead guitarist tried out new shapes to fit in the space and developed the one he eventually settled on for a while till he'd worked out its full range. Makes the transition sound a lot more unexpected and startling. Is this cheating, though? I mean, the uncut version is quite fun too... Anyway, if *I* were creative director I'd be trying to make it heavier, but not everyone's tatses go that way obviously or Quarkspace would have no following, and I'd recommend having a go at `Feet', `Flying Free' and `Tolkien Jam' especially. Yours, Jon n/p: I dread to think. Benedict is playing with children's television websites. My time will soon come... -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 28 08:47:58 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:47:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Outskirts of Infinity & The Bevis Frond @ The Standard, Walthamstow, 10th October 2004 In-Reply-To: <9597F64A-39A4-11D9-AB7B-000A95EFCFB8@bhalligan.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Brian Halligan wrote: > Paul Mather wrote: > > > Interesting! The "basically went in and recorded it live" would imply > > the bulk of the guitar work is Paul's, not Nick's. > > If that's the case, it's nice to see a "name" guitarist without the ego > to insist he hog all the playing time. Nick's not quite the egomaniac that other guitar heroes are. Possibly because he's too paranoid to admit it, posibly because he met Bari Watts when he was 17 and has known him ever since, possibly just because he's a nice bloke... > > I really like the Scorched Earth album, but I'd have to say I'd be a > > bit > > uncomfortable with Nick putting out *another* pastiche album in the > > same > > genre. I think once is enough. > > I just miss the aspect of the Bevis Frond that Scorched Earth > represents. I'd be satisfied with a cousin of "Long Black Gown" on the > next Frond album. I'd like Scorched Earth to go further than they did, but I think I made that clear, Unfortunately the `working ethic' has been so clearly set by the first album that the pastiche band is upright and honest that they can't really turn into Monster Magnet from here. Nick and Paul are both too big a pair of hippies for the lyrics ever to turn quite that, um, earthy, anyway. But they could be hevaier, more distorted, stranger... Someone should be doing it anyway, and they clearly could, so it's shame that they aren't. > In related news, on the Bevis Frond mailing list there has been > discussion about how Nick has been neglecting the long, freakout jams > of earlier albums for his three-minute pop song alter-ego. Nick agreed > and assembled a CD of unreleased epics called "The Long Stuff" as a > community-only release. I've wondered if "Through the Hedge" on Hit > Squad wasn't inspired somewhat by the discussion. Still, even though I > think it's an amazing song, it's not quite in the same vein as > "Superseeder" or "Long Black Gown." I'm not so happy with `Through The Hedge' as a successor to these tracks; it's too straight-ahead, it doesn't wander, I realise it may actually last ten minutes but it doesn't feel as if it does. Not that it's a bad song, at all, I like it, it's just a long one of Nick's pop numbers with extra strange noises added, not a piece that started out as a jammed-out strangeness. And it's a long way from being `Tangerine Infringement Beak' or `The Pips' which are the particular excesses I'd most like to see Nick try and repeat. Or `Garden Aeroplane Trap', or `Superseded' or `House of Mountains' or... You get the idea. Basically, I know Nick, especially with Paul as foil, could make some of the music I most want to hear if they wanted to. Ditto with however long Tommy Grenas remains not doing Farflung stuff, or Hawkwind not producing, um... No, that sentence is complete as it stands. But you see what I mean. Here are competent merchants of transcendence inexplicably failing to turn it out. Come on guys, I need my fix! Oh, it's just me, I see... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 29 04:21:11 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:21:11 +0000 Subject: BOC: HW: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: <200411241137.iAOBb3ET009803@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M Holmes wrote, of Amazon: > Apart from them being unable to find one thing (not a book) that I > ordered, I've been a happy bunny. I was also worried when they took over > Bibliofind, which I used to use, but their "Find it Used" service has > proved pretty damn good also. The only trick is having to compile orders > so that I don't have to pay postage. I was working in second-hand bookselling when Amazon took over Bibliofind, and my impression then was that they had no idea what to do with it. Bibliofind had been a useful little provider which often stocked stuff that other people didn't have, and initially any search you did in it through Amazon, if it failed, dumped you out at the main Amazon search page which looked a lot as if they were trying to route second-hand buyers to buy new stuff instead. Odd, because the margins are higher on second-hand stuff, but perhaps not for Amazon. However they seem to have picked up on the reseller model now and are also, because of this, on the music side of things, the only place other than Gemm I can find a lot of stuff I currently want. Gemm has never inspired me with confidence, and I still have the prejudices against Amazon I inherited from my old jobs, so this is causing me difficulties. But on the other hand, it also stops me spending money... Yours, Jon ObCD: The Heads - _Undersided_ (and so should you all be, it's great) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 29 04:35:28 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:35:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29-Nov-2004 09:21, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, M Holmes wrote, of Amazon: >> Apart from them being unable to find one thing (not a book) that I >> ordered, I've been a happy bunny. I was also worried when they took over >> Bibliofind, which I used to use, but their "Find it Used" service has >> proved pretty damn good also. > > I was working in second-hand bookselling when Amazon took over > Bibliofind, and my impression then was that they had no idea what to do > with it. Bibliofind had been a useful little provider which often stocked > stuff that other people didn't have [...] I tend to use abebooks as my first stop for genuinely out-of-print books, or books published further outside the English-speaking world (though I've occasionally hit up Amazon.fr or Amazon.de). Abebooks have a .com and a .co.uk site, and the UK site optionally lets me list results with UK sellers first if I _really_ want it fast (though the weak dollar means even with shipping things from outside the UK are usually cheaper, if I can wait a couple of weeks -- which I generally can). -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Nov 29 04:37:48 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:37:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Mint vinyl reocrds Message-ID: Hej, The Danish Photographer, J?rgen Angel, is selling off his Hawkwind records. He received most of these from the record company, and some most have never been played. I have jpeg photos of the sleeves, inner and outer, as well as the vinyl itself for interested parties. We have the following: hawkwind in search of space doremi faso latido space ritual astounding sounds amazing music church of Hawkwind Quark strangness and charm (I will probably buy this one for the singer in WE) PXR5 silver machine 7" (blue sleeve) probably a reissue and not original If you are interested please send me an email. scott From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 04:46:13 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:46:13 +0000 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, in a desperate bid to send someting to the listserv I've just hit reply to Jon's mail. I've been having terrible problems getting mail to the listserv for 2 weeks. The last one friday asking people of Space ritual were worth 12 quid to see them in bristol on that night... Anyone else having massive problems, are there conversations elsewhere these days? YOu've all missed my lovely review of Motorhead in Bristol & my straw poll as to whether I should spend approx 25quid to see space ritual... nevermind..... Hawkwind in Swindon in under 2 weeks iain From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 29 04:53:54 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:23:54 +1030 Subject: Mint vinyl reocrds Message-ID: How much for ASAM album and the postage. Can I see the pics please. michael_1968 at ozemail.com.au Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: HW: Mint vinyl reocrds Hej, The Danish Photographer, J?rgen Angel, is selling off his Hawkwind records. He received most of these from the record company, and some most have never been played. I have jpeg photos of the sleeves, inner and outer, as well as the vinyl itself for interested parties. We have the following: hawkwind in search of space doremi faso latido space ritual astounding sounds amazing music church of Hawkwind Quark strangness and charm (I will probably buy this one for the singer in WE) PXR5 silver machine 7" (blue sleeve) probably a reissue and not original If you are interested please send me an email. scott From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Nov 29 05:35:28 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:35:28 +0100 Subject: Off:Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: Hej Yes... Jon, we are going to do some editing and release some edited versions on CD-R with artwork and make them quite cheap as well. The full length versions will remain on the web for sure! As for not being as heavy as you expected with members of Gas Giant in the Collective, well.. Stefan Krey, guitar genius in Gas Giant, has yet to join. His first session with us is on Dec 17th! We have a session this Saturday and Eduardo (www.sgt-sunshine.com) and Tobias (www.the carpetknights.nu), will both join so I expect this to have a more heavy Hawkwind driving vibe. The guy playing the great jazzy keys, is Ola from Bland Blanden. Amazing musician. He also had a techno act called Derango. Dark psychedelic trance... phew.. heavy stuff... Thanks for enjoying.. scott www.oresundspacecollective.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon Jarrett [mailto:jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK] Sent: 28. november 2004 14:33 Subject: Re: Off:Oresund Space Collective On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I know a lot of people out there in the Hawkwind musical realm would > like to hear about a new project that I have started. It is called the > ?resund Space Collective (www.oresundspacecollective.com). It is > musicians from Malm? and Copenhagen (the ?resund bridge connects the > two cities) and we get together as often as we can to make free form > space rock improvisations. It contains members of Mantric Muse, Bland > Bladen, Gas Giant and the Carpet Knights. We have had so much fun that > we will start to play concerts next year as well and maybe record a > CD. Anyway, we have a few hours of jams up on our web site. I would > love to hear any comments people have.. There's a *lot* of material there :-) Given the mentions of Gas Giant above I was surprised how jazzy it is, mostly down to an excellent and clearly jazz-based drummer I think. More Quarkspace/Melting Euphoria than Das Ludicorix therefore despite being essentially the same aim as the latter project. I don't really go much on Quarkspace, finding them rather sterile on what little I've heard, but this is more like my idea of fun. Not to say I dopn't wish for a solid blanga riff or chord sequence to get set up at times, but the patches when all the musicians were attuned enough to jump from idea to idea with each other are worth a good deal of waiting, especially as the `hold music' is so pleasant. If this stuff was going out onto disc, a whole load could be done with editing; not brutal excisions, but I'm thinking of possibly the best Das Ludicroix track, an epic called `Frozen Other (My Wings Are Like a Shield of Steel)', which came out of a 22-minute piece which did, unlike a lot of DL pieces, manage to change direction entirely midway through and this is the main reason why it's so blinding; but the other reason is that Larry edited out a lot of the indecisive wandering from the middle where the lead guitarist tried out new shapes to fit in the space and developed the one he eventually settled on for a while till he'd worked out its full range. Makes the transition sound a lot more unexpected and startling. Is this cheating, though? I mean, the uncut version is quite fun too... Anyway, if *I* were creative director I'd be trying to make it heavier, but not everyone's tatses go that way obviously or Quarkspace would have no following, and I'd recommend having a go at `Feet', `Flying Free' and `Tolkien Jam' especially. Yours, Jon n/p: I dread to think. Benedict is playing with children's television websites. My time will soon come... -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Nov 29 06:17:05 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:17:05 -0500 Subject: [HAWKWIND] Hawk Aid - rebranding Message-ID: just to let you know that due to some reservations over the name Hawk Aid and the fact that it could be (wrongly) construed that we are both- a- taking the p*ss b - trying to cash in on the very worthwhile Band Aid cause we have decided to re-brand the campaign "STARSHIP HAWKWIND'S" "CHART TREK" with a new logo and typeface we feel that it will not only have greater resonance with the Hard core fan base but also i think it would be hard for anybody to see it as anything other than a fun and inoffensive project. we are picking up steady interest from not just the UK but worldwide but are still looking for more input in the way of ideas and help. one thing that is quite pressing now is that we still need volounteers for the Telford gig next week so if you fancy lending a hand in some way then please let us know off-list thanks all for your time and co-operation in this matter regards Dave From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 12:18:00 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:18:00 EST Subject: OFF: VDGG REUNITE Message-ID: Van Der Graaf Generator will be doing a concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, May 6, 2005! http://www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/ Bill From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 29 12:32:28 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:32:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Neil Gaiman/Assassins of Silence Message-ID: This mention has just appeared on author Neil Gaiman's journal: http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/2004/11/wolf-music.asp Those of you who have fallen in love with the Bloomsbury site for books by me and Dave McKean at http://www.gaimanmckeanbooks.co.uk/, those of you who use their marvellous screensavers and ecards, probably need to know that Kevin Perry, who is one of the people who made that site, and incidentally is also a member of the UK's Finest Hawkwind tribute band, The Assassins of Silence (which leaves me wondering about how the people in the UK's second-best Hawkwind tribute band feel about this, or even the ones in the UK's worst Hawkwind tribute band, and whether there's a whole Hawkwind tribute band league table, but that's beside the point), has a band called XOO and has done a Wolves In the Walls song. He describes it, remarkably accurately, on his website as Mid-80's Hawkwind meets early 70's Genesis round at Arthur Brown's place. Oh, and a children's picture book. If you're now wondering "how can I hear this?" wonder no more. Just go to http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/xoomusic.htm and click on it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 29 16:43:54 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:43:54 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:06:37 -0500, Tim wrote: >...Would like to know where you find Marble Sheep cds, all i've ever > found was _Stone Marby_(love the track "inside out") All the early (i.e. their best IMHO) stuff is out of print (Old From New Heads, Whirl Live, Shinjuku Loft, s/t) so probably it will have to be eBay. Note that the early stuff doesn't sound like Stone Marby, it has more of a Hawkwind meets Amon Duul I vibe and is a bit rougher around the edges - a psychedelic garage band doing jamming versions of the Stone Marby songs and stretching them out to twice their length might give an idea! On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:02:49 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >the first Ash Ra Tempel album (probably because I saw it going cheap >somewhere, thus are a few great purchases and some not-so-great ones >made) and it is as you say an absolute classic, a thousand times better >than the concert I'd seen. The only other one I have is "Join Inn", >which- naff title aside- is of a similar standard (similar format too- >two side-long pieces, first side freaked-out jamming enlivened by >Schulze's incredible drumming, second side much more meditative, almost >devotional). I rank the debut and 'Join Inn' as 1 and 2, so you've got what I would consider their must-haves. 'Schwingungen' and '7-up' are the other 2 early albums, which actually came out betweeen the 1st and JI, and Schulze was not on either of those - I think they're also pretty good, though not at the same level, and with more of a weirdness factor to them due to some odd vocals (Timothy Leary on 7-up for example) and stylistic shifts. After Join Inn they did 'Starring Rosi' which is more hippy-folky, with prominent female vocals (from Rosi, thus the title) - not bad but no longer really spacerock. >(around '76?) it seems to become essentially a Gottsching solo project- how >is that stuff? One album that I've often seen available at cheapish price >is "Inventions for Electric Guitar"- anyone got any comments on that? After 'Starring Rosi' Gottsching made ART a solo project and renamed it to Ashra, going more-or-less digitally new-age. The only thing I've got from those years is a compilation disc, pleasant but not anything that made me want to explore any deeper. 'Inventions for Electric Guitar' on the other hand is I think credited as a Gottsching solo album and has a very good reputation - I haven't heard it but do intend to pick it up at some point. >Moving on to Acid Mothers, I've generally found them an amazing live band, >but they unfortunately seem to have got into the habit of releasing far >toom much (any old noisy jam session will do it seems) regardless of >quality- Fair point - it's probably not a coincidence that my 2 favorite AMT discs have them doing covers of works by other people (Riley on In C, Trad on La Novia) - they're best when they have a solid structure on which to hang their wild jamming. >are interesting, as "In C" is easily my favourite of the albums I've heard, >but I've never heard La Novia, (though I've heard the title track performed >live a few times), so I'm wondering whether I should check that one out, >despite deciding a while ago that I really didn't need any more AMT albums. I would definitely recommend that you get it - the 40 minute title track is much better than any of the live versions I've heard from them, and is also much more varied and dynamic than their usual freak-out jam. And if you don't have it I would also put in a good word for 'Troubadours from Another Heavenly World', which is comparatively languid and mellow and has some great guitar work. >Another question- Amon Duul's "Psychedelic Underground"- where does this >fit into the Amon Duul I/II saga- is this the one that was recorded right >at the start before the split? How does it sound compared to Paradieswarts >Duul, say? This was the very first official Amon Duul (I) release, from before the split as you say. Muddy sound, repetitive tribal strumming, drumming, and humming (OK, no humming, chanting actually - but some of the muddy sound could be due to mains hum I guess), and odd tape effects - it sounds like someone used a beat-up old tape recorder at a hippy commune doing a sing- along jam session, then accidentally taped over bits of it, which is what it basically was! By comparison Paradieswarts Duul sounds like a professionally produced mainstream folk-psych album - and its far from being that, as you know, so that should give you an idea of how far underground Psychedelic Underground really is. (I like Paradieswarts a lot too, but its a very different animal). Stephan From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 18:56:13 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:56:13 EST Subject: OFF: The Music (?) Message-ID: listening to the first album now and am quite enjoying this unexpected song-based stoner/space-rock trip. minimum effects, lots of vocal reverb, good guitar. ATTN: This is major label release, even in the States. surprise, surprise... singer may need some work, though... chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 19:09:55 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:09:55 EST Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/04 1:45:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: > I rank the debut and 'Join Inn' as 1 and 2, so you've got what I would > consider their must-haves. 'Schwingungen' and '7-up' are the other 2 early > albums, which actually came out betweeen the 1st and JI, and Schulze was > not on either of those - I think they're also pretty good, though not at > the same level, and with more of a weirdness factor to them due to some odd > vocals (Timothy Leary on 7-up for example) and stylistic shifts. After Join > Inn they did 'Starring Rosi' which is more hippy-folky, with prominent > female vocals (from Rosi, thus the title) - not bad but no longer really > spacerock. > funny, i always felt the opposite. side 1 of both albums Schwin/7...wow...when i first heard those on the phones i was gone...and that's still off of those cleopatra reissues dubbed and edited from the original vinyl... chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 19:24:19 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:24:19 EST Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: excellent list! but let us also not forget Melting Euphoria 2, 3 and 4th albums, especially, Spacious Mind (esp. Organic Mind Solution), Escapade (esp. Citrus Cloud Cover), Silver Apples (seems like a missing link to me), and for a more modern representation - the Alchemysts and Simeon album, Liquid Sound Company, Darxtar (Darker and Daybreak for me more than Sju), Boredoms' later stuff is incomparable, Igra Staklenih Perli, Helios Creed, Spacehead's "In Space We Trust", Guru Guru ("Space Ship", "Electric Junk" are as space-rock as it gets, though of course you have those funk/stoner elements as well), Salamander, Fuxa's krautrock stuff, Vas Deferens Org. (though hardly a "space-rock band" really), did anyone mention Census of Hallucinations? (same goes for them as VDO, i guess)... the bus is coming soon, i better quit before i ramble anyway, i just love names... there's so much more modern stuff, too...it's just harder to categorize them as "space-rock"... as for Neu!/Can-like neo-post-kraut-whatever, one of my favorites to listen to is chicago's Defender, who finally gave up after one EP...but they submitted all this demo and live stuff to Aural Innovations that was just fantastic... i like to think of some of Camel's stuff as space-rock, too, another story perhaps... ok, maybe back for more later... chuck From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 29 21:48:50 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:48:50 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: Stephan and Chuck- thanks for replies on Ash Ra Tempel.. >'Inventions for Electric Guitar' on the other >hand is I think credited as a Gottsching solo album and has a very good >reputation - I haven't heard it but do intend to pick it up at some point. I've just discovered that if you go to http://www.ashra.com/shop/shop.htm and click on the individual CD links, there are sound samples for download. I've just snagged the ones from "Inventions..." and basically they sound like good quality chillout music but no more than that.. the first one in particular sounds like a cross between Steve Hillage and Tangerine Dream (heavy on the sequencers), which is only a partial thumbs-up... The third one does end just as it's getting going though and clearly one can't really judge a 20min track from a 2min sample- still, these might help you make up your mind as to how much you want this one. The samples from Schwingungen sound pretty good, I'm definitely tempted by that. Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 30 04:18:39 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:18:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: "LIVE AT GLASTONBURY" Judge Trev and jaki Windmill - new RFM album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, trev wrote: > LIVE AT GLASTONBURY > JUDGE TREV and JAKI WINDMILL > > Recorded live at the pedal generator powered Mandala Marquee at > Glastonbury Fest 2004, this milestone album is a CDR of the their > first ever gig as a duo. Jaki will surprise you with her beautiful > "meadow lark" vocals as well as her songwriting talents. Towards the > end of the gig, who should walk in but Hawkwind's Ron Tree who took > the stage and performed a couple of acoustic solo songs, including > "Negative Positive", one of his latest compositions. The Ron stuff sounds interesting but it has to be said, with no offence meant to the Rt Hon Judge, I would indeed be surprised by Jaki's "beautiful" vocals as the only noise I've ever heard her produce is an ill-timed and atonal screech. Perhaps she thinks that's what Space Ritual really needs, but I beg to differ. There is stuff I need to get from RFM, but I might wait a while on this one. What we need[1] from RFM is Bajina/ICH/whatever-the-Judge- Trev/Ron-combo is currently called up and gigging, because that'd be fabulous. Put them on a double bill with Litmus, see who goes fastest :-) Yours, Jon [1] Obviously when I say "we need", I mean "I want", but phrased in some way that makes it seem as if that's actually a good enough reason for it to be organised. ObCD: Litmus - _You Are Here_ From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 18:55:09 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:55:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 Message-ID: Anyone know what this is? (basically, bootleg or legit?) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=16137&item=4055994748&rd=1 (link may break) The description suggests it a) wasn't all recorded in 1984 and 2)might contain tracks from "Do Not Panic". Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 19:01:34 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:01:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 Message-ID: Anyone know what this is? (basically, bootleg or legit?) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=16137&item=4055994748&rd=1 (link may break) The description suggests it 1) wasn't all recorded in 1984 and 2)might contain tracks from "Do Not Panic". Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 30 19:37:42 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:37:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 19:01 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > Anyone know what this is? (basically, bootleg or legit?) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=16137&item=4055994748&rd=1 > > (link may break) > > The description suggests it 1) wasn't all recorded in 1984 and 2)might > contain tracks from "Do Not Panic". I have a copy of this LP, which I bought in the 80s. I don't know about how legit it is: it could be the product of those interminable re-releases that the Hawkwind _Anthology_ series seemed to spawn. (I do remember it was priced really cheaply.) Anyway, you probably have all the tracks already, as they're all previously released in the same versions on _Do Not Panic_, the _Earth Ritual Preview_, and _Zones_. Here's the track listing from the Hawkwind discography: 1985 Utopia 1984 Material from ERP, Stonehenge, and Zones (Mausoleum) Levitation (Brock) Circles (Brock/Langton) Space Chase (Langton) Zones (Brock) Motorway City (Brock) Night Of The Hawks (Brock) Dragons And Fables (Langton) Utopia 1984 (Brock/Turner) Social Alliance (Brock) Watching The Grass Grow (Turner) The cover was pretty cool. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 20:02:10 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:02:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:37:42 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >I have a copy of this LP Thanks for the info. I suppose if it's listed in the HW discography it must be legal (although possibly not band-approved), or is that an unsafe assumption? Nick From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Tue Nov 30 21:17:33 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:17:33 -0800 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not listed in the Core Albums page on Mission Control: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/alb_.htm Here's the cool cover, though: http://www.adawson.clara.net/utopia.html KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Nick Medford Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Utopia 1984 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:37:42 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >I have a copy of this LP Thanks for the info. I suppose if it's listed in the HW discography it must be legal (although possibly not band-approved), or is that an unsafe assumption? Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 30 21:51:53 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:51:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:02:10 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >Thanks for the info. I suppose if it's listed in the HW discography it >must be legal (although possibly not band-approved), or is that an unsafe >assumption? I think it's safe to say that it was legally licensed to the label that put it out (Magnum?) by Frenchy, who was legally entitled (as owner of Flicknife) to license the Flicknife material to other labels. As we well know, just because a lawyer (or a judge) says that something is legally correct, doesn't mean that it's morally *right* (or even true). Of course, it wouldn't be listed as a "core" album, since it's compiled from three sources. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com