From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat May 1 01:46:41 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 07:46:41 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany Message-ID: Hi folks I have just ordered my ticket for the Hawkwinds Burg Herberg show in Germany on 17.07.2004 Looking forward to see the band again live! I was told that they will hit the stage at 23:00h on Saturday Any chance to meet one of you ?? cheers Bernhard www.burgherzberg-festival.de From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat May 1 08:36:29 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:36:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Northampton Last Night Message-ID: Another superb gig last night. Ian, Bill (says hi to Ian Abrahams) and myself arrived in time to grab a drink have a quick chat with Steve Hibbert while buying programmes (signed tonight) then cram into the auditorium where we find Dave Hall, just in time for Huw's set. Not the best I've heard him do this tour but very good, particularly when joined by Rich and Dibs for a cover of Smokestack Lightning. Still no harmonica for Dave so he doesn't join in on Hurry On Sundown, perhaps we should club together and get him one in time for next gig? Hawkwind tonight were the best they've been all tour for me. The low-ish ceiling didn't do the video clips & images any favours but the psychedelics worked superbly in the closer confines of this hall, shining off the lighting gantries and sides of the hall. The band were tighter than, Richard starting the show with a reading of Adjust Me before launching into Angela Android. Same set as Manchester but even tighter and heavier. Dave was playing a LOT of lead guitar, particularly on The Right Stuff, Spirit of the Age, Brainbox Pollution (matching Alan's bass run here) and Brainstorm. Absolutely stunning. A mention should go to Fleece, as once again the sound was excellent last night. Shame there's only one more gig that I can manage this tour. Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat May 1 12:46:19 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 17:46:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Northampton Last Night In-Reply-To: Nick Lee's message of Sat, 1 May 2004 13:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: Nick Lee writes: > Still no harmonica for Dave so he doesn't join in > on Hurry On Sundown, perhaps we should club together and get him one in > time for next gig? Yeah, I'd be up for a group effort on this if we'd get harmonica back on HOS. FoFP From c.krawczyk at COMCAST.NET Sun May 2 00:10:12 2004 From: c.krawczyk at COMCAST.NET (Christopher Krawczyk) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 22:10:12 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany Message-ID: bernhard, were you at strange daze 98 in ohio? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Hawkwind in Germany > Hi folks > > I have just ordered my ticket for the Hawkwinds Burg Herberg show in > Germany on 17.07.2004 > Looking forward to see the band again live! > > I was told that they will hit the stage at 23:00h on Saturday > > > Any chance to meet one of you ?? > > > cheers > Bernhard > > www.burgherzberg-festival.de From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun May 2 02:41:54 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 08:41:54 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany In-Reply-To: <000901c42ffb$5dd678d0$10560918@solaris> Message-ID: No, sorry Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Christopher Krawczyk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind in Germany bernhard, were you at strange daze 98 in ohio? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Hawkwind in Germany > Hi folks > > I have just ordered my ticket for the Hawkwinds Burg Herberg show in > Germany on 17.07.2004 Looking forward to see the band again live! > > I was told that they will hit the stage at 23:00h on Saturday > > > Any chance to meet one of you ?? > > > cheers > Bernhard > > www.burgherzberg-festival.de From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 2 04:01:37 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 04:01:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: April 2004 Issue Online Now!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 2004 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS ONLINE NOW The April 2004 issue (#27) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below. This issue brings together all the reviews and articles that appeared on the What's New page in the past quarter. NOTE: If you closely watch our What's New page then note that the Space Mirrors and Jet Jaguar interviews in this issue are new. We've also got coverage of the Doug Walker Testimonial Space Rock Festival recently held in Baltimore, and a brand new Action Man story. We've also got a slew of new reviews, some of which are in the live show and label specific sections, and the first bunch listed in the General Reviews section are new. 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You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue27/issue27.html All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 3 11:07:44 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:07:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind to Ireland Message-ID: I've just been watching one of the more severe gale warnings I've seen for quite a while and Hawkwind are about to take a ferry across to Ireland! I can't remember exactly when you are travelling folks - but if you can get across tonight and delay your return for a day it might be worth doing - it's looking a bit bouncy around the Irish Sea area. Safe journey! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon May 3 13:47:21 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:47:21 -0400 Subject: Computer trivia and Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <002701c43120$64085a40$a126883e@jds> from "Jill Strobridge" at May 03, 2004 04:07:44 PM Message-ID: http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000053.html Apparently, ICU was encoding computer programs for the 48k Sinclair Spectrum onto vinyl in 1984. JB From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon May 3 15:55:16 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:55:16 +0200 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: Hi Received and watched the DVD today What a great piece of music !! Huwie in top form I missed him in Walthamstow The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! Bernhard From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue May 4 05:11:59 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:11:59 +0200 Subject: Computer trivia and Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi! Has anybody got this sound snippet on an mp3/wav/aif to send me? tryin' to set up my brother's old zx spectrum :-) :-) grateful thanks!! Ketil > > Subject: Computer trivia and Hawkwind > Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:47:21 -0400 > From: Jeff Berry > > http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000053.html > > Apparently, ICU was encoding computer programs for the 48k > Sinclair Spectrum onto vinyl in 1984. > > JB From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 4 06:16:16 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:16:16 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Mon, 3 May 2004 21:55:16 +0200 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > Hi > > Received and watched the DVD today > > What a great piece of music !! > Huwie in top form > I missed him in Walthamstow > > The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! I concur, but how come we never get "Where Are They Now?" on these things? FoFP From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Tue May 4 06:24:27 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:24:27 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: > > The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! > > I concur, but how come we never get "Where Are They Now?" on these > things? Well, it wasn't in the set in Dec 2002 for starters. First live appearance was the Spring tour 2003, as I recall. But fingers crossed for its appearance on the Hawkfest 2003 DVD. But, being greedy, I'd love them to start playing the second half of the song as well....... Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 4 07:47:24 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:47:24 +0100 Subject: Burg Herzberg tickets - help please? Message-ID: Got our flights booked but there seems to be a problem with tickets. For foreign tickets (under the English language section?) they just give some sort of bank account number. They don't seem to have facilities to take cheques or credit cards? My understanding is that a foreign currency transfer from my bank would be a significant fraction of the ticket price. Anyone know of any other way? Would any of the German folks be willing to order me a couple of tickets and I'll arrange payment to them in some way? Someone with a Paypal account for example I could just pay directly... Cheers FoFP From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Tue May 4 08:59:45 2004 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:59:45 +0200 Subject: Burg Herzberg tickets - help please? In-Reply-To: <200405041147.i44BlOGh003629@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, european bank transfers should be (almost?) free (it is a european law). If you have the iban (international bank account number) and a bic (bank indentification code). When you transfer money to their account make sure you tick the box that says "shared costs". Bart On 4 May 2004, at 12:47, M Holmes wrote: > Got our flights booked but there seems to be a problem with tickets. > For foreign tickets (under the English language section?) they just > give some sort of bank account number. They don't seem to have > facilities to take cheques or credit cards? My understanding is that a > foreign currency transfer from my bank would be a significant fraction > of the ticket price. Anyone know of any other way? Would any of the > German folks be willing to order me a couple of tickets and I'll > arrange payment to them in some way? Someone with a Paypal account for > example I could just pay directly... > > Cheers > > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 4 09:18:41 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:18:41 +0100 Subject: Burg Herzberg tickets - help please? In-Reply-To: Bart Brugmans's message of Tue, 4 May 2004 14:59:45 +0200 Message-ID: Bart Brugmans writes: > Hi, > > european bank transfers should be (almost?) free (it is a european > law). If you have the iban (international bank account number) and > a bic (bank indentification code). When you transfer money to their > account make sure you tick the box that says "shared costs". OK, how do I do one of these? We're not in the Euro if that makes any difference? FoFP > > Bart > > On 4 May 2004, at 12:47, M Holmes wrote: > > > Got our flights booked but there seems to be a problem with tickets. > > For foreign tickets (under the English language section?) they just > > give some sort of bank account number. They don't seem to have > > facilities to take cheques or credit cards? My understanding is that a > > foreign currency transfer from my bank would be a significant fraction > > of the ticket price. Anyone know of any other way? Would any of the > > German folks be willing to order me a couple of tickets and I'll > > arrange payment to them in some way? Someone with a Paypal account for > > example I could just pay directly... > > > > Cheers > > > > FoFP > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue May 4 14:16:59 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:16:59 +0100 Subject: Computer trivia and Hawkwind Message-ID: I'll have a look. I do remember running it OK on mine but that was many years ago. About the only thing I can remember about it is it includes Fred's review of Fish and Chip Shops visited whilst on tour. Aye, them were't days, lad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Computer trivia and Hawkwind > Hi! > Has anybody got this sound snippet on an mp3/wav/aif to send me? > tryin' to set up my brother's old zx spectrum :-) :-) > > grateful thanks!! > Ketil > > > > > Subject: Computer trivia and Hawkwind > > Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:47:21 -0400 > > From: Jeff Berry > > > > http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000053.html > > > > Apparently, ICU was encoding computer programs for the 48k > > Sinclair Spectrum onto vinyl in 1984. > > > > JB From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 4 19:49:46 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 00:49:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Wolverhampton the other night Message-ID: A few random comments and to say hello and goodbye to everyone I caught up with again at Wolverhampton (including Nick Lee and Alan Linsley who had seen five and six shows respectively!). Arrived late having located the venue mid afternoon but getting lost on the back to the hotel had trouble (a) refinding the place and (b) discovering that the tickets were in fact being dealt from a tiny backroom office in a dubious looking pub that under normal circumstances (actually under any circumstances) I would not have dared venture across the threshhold of. I did, with some trepidation, and it turned out to be a noisy bikers den (I think) - there seemed to be only men there - many of them wearing Motorhead shirts, 3 metres broad around the chest and well endowed with tattoos. I tried to be inconspicuous - an impossible feat as those who know me will realise - by not looking at anyone at all and focussing entirely on walls, ceilings, posters, doors to avoid catching anyone's attention and had anyone asked what I was doing there I would probably have fled from the place but mercifully the queue was short and I managed to find a piece of paper with my address on it to claim my ticket and escape. I wish I could say I liked Wolverhampton but sadly I don't. Quite clearly I 'was not from around here' and it was a strangely intimidating place. The venue however was full of friendly sociable Hawkwind folk who were polite at the bar despite the endless slowness of service which meant the set began while loads of people were still trying to get a drink. It's a good venue, high ceiling, quite large so though it was well attended it didn't feel mobbed. The sound was very good and this time around I found I noticed small things you don't pick up on first time around - the way the light show starts with really intense irridescent colours and you can feel the effect on the audience - the way that "Where Are They Now" causes an astonishing number of people to instinctively reach for their cigarette lighters - the unexpectedly strong jazz/blues section in the first instrumental track (is it Out Here We Are?) and some very varied music styles that make interesting (although sometimes discontinuous) listening when you concentrate on what is happening in the bits between one flowing section and another. And curiously Bob Calvert's voice which I heard properly for the first time (although through a computer!) I realise he didn't just recite a poem - he talked it through, as if in conversation or relating a story. Surprisingly hypnotic! No new surprises though Alan and Dave lost it completely during "Wings" and collapsed in laughter but they recovered by the end of the track and finished strongly. With just three on stage there is a lot of electronic layering in the sound and it does work extremely well creating a solid full effect but I really did notice this time whenever the lead guitar came in and it made all the difference. Ah well - enough rambling. Back to the interlude between events..... Thanks to everyone involved in the tour and I hope there was a chance to see something of Ireland between rain showers! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Wed May 5 03:24:18 2004 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:24:18 +0200 Subject: Burg Herzberg tickets - help please? In-Reply-To: <200405041318.i44DIffb013424@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, I do not know if the UK is excluded 'cause you're not in the Euro...but I think your bank should be able to hand you an international money transfer thingie (my bank in the Netherlands does have them). With that you can transfer the money from your account to theirs. The BIC and IBAN numbers are on the site. Otherwise you try to email them and ask if there is another way 2 pay... Bart On 4 May 2004, at 14:18, M Holmes wrote: > Bart Brugmans writes: > > > Hi, > > > > european bank transfers should be (almost?) free (it is a european > > law). If you have the iban (international bank account number) and a > > bic (bank indentification code). When you transfer money to their > > account make sure you tick the box that says "shared costs". > > OK, how do I do one of these? We're not in the Euro if that makes any > difference? > > FoFP > > > > > > Bart > > > > On 4 May 2004, at 12:47, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Got our flights booked but there seems to be a problem with > > > tickets. For foreign tickets (under the English language section?) > > > they just give some sort of bank account number. They don't seem > > > to have facilities to take cheques or credit cards? My > > > understanding is that a foreign currency transfer from my bank > > > would be a significant fraction of the ticket price. Anyone know > > > of any other way? Would any of the German folks be willing to > > > order me a couple of tickets and I'll arrange payment to them in > > > some way? Someone with a Paypal account for example I could just > > > pay directly... > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > FoFP > > From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed May 5 07:10:27 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:10:27 +0100 Subject: OFF Wolverhampton Message-ID: Jill Stribridge remarked: >I wish I could say I liked >Wolverhampton but sadly I don't. Quite clearly I 'was not from around >here' and it was a strangely intimidating place. Have to agree with you there... I used to drive a commercial van in and around the midlands on deliveries... on getting lost once in the Wolverhapton area I wound down the window and asked a woman by the side of the road where I might find the colliery (or wherever it was) - the reply was undecipherable, resembled english, but not as we know it! A strange bunch! ;-) Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 5 14:23:50 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:23:50 +0100 Subject: Good paper on downloads and music sales Message-ID: Longish, but interesting: http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf Short version: Sample of one ten thousandth of all US downloads in 17 weeks drawn against Neilsen data for album sales. Time variance work done against German holidays (US fans download a lot from Germany and track availability varies depending on whether German kids are at uni or at home) etc to see how sales correlate with downloads. Also variability across genres drawn agaist net congestion numbers. The results were that any effect is down there with the noise. If there's an overall effect it's one lost album sale per 5000 downloads from the album (or 2 million albums per year, which is well short of the 139 million albums per year sales loss in the US industry). Interestingly, they conclude that (i there's an effect) then for every 150 downloads of a popular album (top quartile of the sample) there's a gain of an album sale. Since this is where the record companies actually make their money, they really oght to be in favour of downloading. The paper also confirms that airplay on radio and MTV, and touring, does improve album sales. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 6 10:25:01 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:25:01 +0100 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? Message-ID: Since my trusty tape player died at Hawkfest, I've been persuaded by some of the denizens here (the guilty know who they are) to enter the digital age with these newfangled M3P and hard disc thingies. I've therefore bought an AV380 (see www.archos.com). This has a hard disc and permits external microphone use. My attempt to just use it without any manual reading ended in abject failure in the form of a recording so distorted that Dave Anderson would be ashamed to release it. So after 3 hours of reading manuals, I have questions. Mainly these are about MP3's and what form CD tracks normally arrive in. There appear to be different kinds of MP3 based on bitrates, sampling frequencies, and lord knows what else. Is there a site with a non-geek level of explanation of all this, codecs and whatnot? Basically I want to now what settings to use the microphone on, and what settings to use to store music on the hard disc. I'm told that Itunes converts between all these different formats anyway? While I'm ice-climbing the learning curve, a trusty VCR also died. Looking at the options, I think the thing to buy in replacement would be a PVR that's a combination hard disk video recorder and DVD recorder. This seems to offer a nice choice to watch-n-delete or to save anything that's particulartly good to a beermat that takes a lot less room than a VHS tape. Of course I'm then faced with 5 different recording formats for DVD (only 5?). Anywhere I can find out about those? Also, the Archos widget mentioned above will record movies as well as MP3's. This is handy for taking films to watch while I'm away. However, seems I have to play a film on a VCR and transfer it to the widget in real time to its MP4 (avi?) format. The widget however does take (with an adapter) flashcards. Seems that some of these DVD/HDD recorders do too. Presumably I could move films from one to the other via the flashcards much more quickly? However the HDD/DVD units that I've seen seem to record in MP2 format rather than MP4. The Archos won't play MP2. Am I likely to find a DVD/HDD which records in MP4 or is there some reason why the companies won't do that? Anyway, plenty of questions to go. Thanks in advance for any advice or web sites which will get this old fart into the digital age. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 6 10:55:47 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:55:47 -0400 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: <200405061425.i46EP1kj025157@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:25:01PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: => So after 3 hours of reading manuals, I have questions. Mainly these are => about MP3's and what form CD tracks normally arrive in. There appear to => be different kinds of MP3 based on bitrates, sampling frequencies, and => lord knows what else. Is there a site with a non-geek level of => explanation of all this, codecs and whatnot? Basically I want to now => what settings to use the microphone on, and what settings to use to => store music on the hard disc. I'm told that Itunes converts between all => these different formats anyway? I don't know about "non-geek" :-), but CD players ultimately work with 16-bit stereo samples @ 44.1 KHz sample rate. MPEG audio (somewhat erroneously lumped into the grab-bag catch-all category of "MP3" in the popular mainstream) allows quite a bit of flexibility in encoding. Normally, though, it comes down to the bitrate you decide to use: the rate of MPEG data into which your original digital audio must be squeezed. The lower the bitrate, the more quality you throw away to fit things in (but the smaller the resultant encoded file size). Another important encoding setting is whether to use constant bitrate (CBR) or variable bitrate (VBR). VBR is better, though CBR is older and hence likely to be universal. VBR will dynamically alter the bitrate used on a frame-by-frame basis depending upon the complexity of the music. So, "simple" things like "quiet bits" are encoded using a lower bitrate than "complex" things like "noisy whooshy bits." :-) I have a Panasonic "walkman" that also supports "MP3" CD-ROM/R/RW discs. It seems to accept VBR-encoded MPEG audio on a standard ISO 9660 disc. I encoded about 7 hours of my Bevis Frond studio discs to provide a nice sample disc for when programming, and it will play it no bother. I used the freeware "LAME" encoder encoding CDDA WAV files using VBR mode on high quality setting (128--320 kbps bitrate). You can get a version of LAME for Windows. EAC can even rip CDs to MPEG audio using LAME as the encoder. => Of course I'm then faced with 5 different recording formats for DVD => (only 5?). Anywhere I can find out about those? How about the DVD FAQ? (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) => flashcards much more quickly? However the HDD/DVD units that I've seen => seem to record in MP2 format rather than MP4. The Archos won't play MP2. => Am I likely to find a DVD/HDD which records in MP4 or is there some => reason why the companies won't do that? I'm guessing they'll be loathe to do that because MP2 is standard, whereas MP4 subjects you to to "codec hell." The Archos is undoubtedly using MP4 so it can use a (possibly proprietary) high-compression codec to maximise the amount of video they can fit on the installed hard disc/flash card. Note that "high compression codec" does not necessarily equate to "high quality codec." :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 6 12:07:45 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:07:45 +0100 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 6 May 2004 10:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > I don't know about "non-geek" :-), but CD players ultimately work with > 16-bit stereo samples @ 44.1 KHz sample rate. MPEG audio (somewhat > erroneously lumped into the grab-bag catch-all category of "MP3" in > the popular mainstream) allows quite a bit of flexibility in encoding. > Normally, though, it comes down to the bitrate you decide to use: the > rate of MPEG data into which your original digital audio must be > squeezed. The lower the bitrate, the more quality you throw away to > fit things in (but the smaller the resultant encoded file size). OK, that makes sense. So what bitrate would give CD quality? The lowest bitrate for MP3 seems to knock nearly 90% off the filesize. Presumably that means the quality is quite poor? What do others use as the reasonable compromise on portable players? > Another important encoding setting is whether to use constant bitrate > (CBR) or variable bitrate (VBR). VBR is better, though CBR is older > and hence likely to be universal. VBR will dynamically alter the > bitrate used on a frame-by-frame basis depending upon the complexity > of the music. So, "simple" things like "quiet bits" are encoded using > a lower bitrate than "complex" things like "noisy whooshy bits." :-) Yep, I can follow that :-) > I have a Panasonic "walkman" that also supports "MP3" CD-ROM/R/RW > discs. It seems to accept VBR-encoded MPEG audio on a standard ISO > 9660 disc. I encoded about 7 hours of my Bevis Frond studio discs to > provide a nice sample disc for when programming, and it will play it > no bother. I used the freeware "LAME" encoder encoding CDDA WAV files > using VBR mode on high quality setting (128--320 kbps bitrate). You > can get a version of LAME for Windows. EAC can even rip CDs to MPEG > audio using LAME as the encoder. EAC? It can do this on the fly? > => Of course I'm then faced with 5 different recording formats for DVD > => (only 5?). Anywhere I can find out about those? > > How about the DVD FAQ? (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) Looks good. I'll have a read of it. > => flashcards much more quickly? However the HDD/DVD units that I've seen > => seem to record in MP2 format rather than MP4. The Archos won't play MP2. > => Am I likely to find a DVD/HDD which records in MP4 or is there some > => reason why the companies won't do that? > > I'm guessing they'll be loathe to do that because MP2 is standard, > whereas MP4 subjects you to to "codec hell." The Archos is > undoubtedly using MP4 so it can use a (possibly proprietary) > high-compression codec to maximise the amount of video they can fit on > the installed hard disc/flash card. Ah. So the best I might be able to hope for is to plug in a flashcard to the HDD/DVD recorder and transfer a movie (how fast are flashcards? Would I get a whole movie on one? Do these thing allow editing where I could split a whole move (MP2?) file into smaller files for transfer?) to it; then plug the flashcard into the Archos and do a transfer; then plug in the Archos as a portable drive on my computer and run an MP2 to MP4 converter program (do these even exist?). Or would I be better just recording a movie in realtime to the Archos? FoFP From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu May 6 13:28:07 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:28:07 +0100 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: <200405061607.i46G7jlh022462@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >OK, that makes sense. So what bitrate would give CD quality? 192KHz is good enough for playing back on a PC or probably one of the little MP3 players. 128KHz is about as low as you'd want to go and audibly worse that 192KHz. Where I'm not fussed about file size I rip at 320KHz. This is pretty near CD quality. On your average Hawkwind track I'd be surprised if you could tell the difference :-) Remembering back to the days of Walkmen, cassettes used to make the sound duller and less dynamic. MP3 compression doesn't seem to do that as even on a high compression it still sounds lively and the bass is good. It seems to make the sound a bit shallow, if that's not a strange metaphor. JR From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 6 15:31:56 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:31:56 -0400 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: <20040506145547.GB79847@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>; from paul@GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU on Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:55:47AM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:55:47AM -0400, Paul Mather wrote: > The lower the bitrate, the more quality you throw away to > fit things in (but the smaller the resultant encoded file size). Be aware that this throwing-away is irreversible. [1] Thus, as you convert from one format to another to still another, there *can* be generational losses, as with analog. This isn't true of straight bit-for-bit copying (of either the compressed or the uncompressed data); that's what has the RIAA in such a tizzy. But depending on the device, bit-for-bit copies might not be possible. E.g. with (some?) minidisc recorders, the device does lossy compression while recording and decompresses on playback, and that compression can't be turned off. The way to avoid generational losses if you want to work on the material (edit home videos, clean up clicks and pops on stuff recorded from vinyl, etc.) is to keep it uncompressed on your computer, or else to use only lossless compression like the "shorten" program; and when you're finished, only then convert it to a lossily compressed format for playback. (And burn the lossless version to a CD/DVD as a backup, even if it isn't directly playable, in case you decide down the road that the material needs more work). [1] The technical term is "lossy compression", as opposed to "lossless compression" as in WinZip. Lossy compression smoothes out fine detail, the challenge being to choose detail that is imperceptible (or at least less perceptible) by the human nervous system. By very rough analogy, think of a naturalistic painting of a cat, vs. a high-res photograph taken in good light. The photo will have captured every single hair. The painter won't have bothered, but that won't cause the viewer any trouble. But as the artist makes takes less effort to draw all that furry detail, the result becomes less realistic, until you end up with a cartoon sketch. That's analogous to turning up the compression level until you end up with the tinny squawk that's all that telephones are capable of. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu May 6 21:32:21 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:32:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Help with all this digital stuff? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 2004 18:28:07 +0100, HawkFan wrote: >>OK, that makes sense. So what bitrate would give CD quality? > >192KHz is good enough for playing back on a PC or probably one of >the little MP3 players. 128KHz is about as low as you'd want to go and >audibly worse that 192KHz. This is a fair assessment to my ears. But keep in mind that you can NEVER have CD quality from MP3s because they use lossy compression (but it might sound close enough to CD quality for your ears). >Where I'm not fussed about file size I rip at 320KHz. This is pretty >near CD quality. On your average Hawkwind track I'd be surprised if >you could tell the difference :-) Actually, "non-musical" stuff like synth swoosh tends to be a bit problematic for MP3 encoders, so the average Hawkwind track might not be the best example. :^) >Remembering back to the days of Walkmen, cassettes used to make the sound >duller and less dynamic. MP3 compression doesn't seem to do that as even >on a high compression it still sounds lively and the bass is good. It >seems to make the sound a bit shallow, if that's not a strange metaphor. Different formats, different sound degradation issues. LP's have surface noise but no hiss, cassettes have hiss (and a narrower frequency response than LP & CD) but no surface noise. MP3 compression, especially at lower bitrates, can add a bit of digital "crunch" (especially in the higher frequency ranges) and impart a shallowness (or flatness) to the music. None of those are serious problems for "walkman" (or iPod) type applications, but they're the sort of things you want to minimalize when listening on a quality home system ... (Sorry I can't help with any of the DVD stuff - I know squat about those.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 7 06:57:34 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 06:57:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On May 6, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Doug Pearson wrote: > (Sorry I can't help with any of the DVD stuff - I know squat about > those.) Having just put together the Brain Surgeons DVD I know a little about it. Your recorder must have plenty of room to store the materials for a DVD. There are three main formats, 2 consumer formats that look virtually identical and one commercial format that most of the DVDs that you get at the video rental place are in. All the formats play on most newer DVD players. The difference is in storage space, menu mapping, surround channels, extra audio tracks. Consumer formats are limited to around 90 minutes of video, stereo sound and no extra audio channels and 4.7 gigs of memory. The other thing is price. Commercial recorders start in the 5 figure range and require a completely dust free environment, not the sort of thing you'd have in your house. It's a complicated subject and your best bet is to get a copy of Videomaker or some such video magazine and do some research. Good luck. Al From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 7 10:32:00 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:32:00 +0000 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: Does anyone know where to purchase this online? Thanks, Eddie. >From: "bernhard.pospiech" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD >Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:55:16 +0200 > >Hi > >Received and watched the DVD today > >What a great piece of music !! >Huwie in top form >I missed him in Walthamstow > >The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! > > >Bernhard From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri May 7 10:39:30 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:39:30 +0200 Subject: OFF: Nektar US/Can/London dates Message-ID: now listed online at: http://www.nektarmusic.co.uk more to come (hopefully)... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Hawkwind-related point...Tony Hill's Fiction will open in London (if Robert Calvert's appearance on "Down to Earth" wasn't already enough*)...BTW, really Ian A.?, you haven't heard this, and you call yourself a Hawkwind historian?! :) Just kidding...the "Journey..." is (finally) in the mail...hope you like it. *of course, why I bothered checking out Nektar at all, some twenty-? years ago. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri May 7 10:45:23 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:45:23 -0500 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: :Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD : :Does anyone know where to purchase this online? : You can get it from AndyG at cd services. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Fri May 7 12:05:11 2004 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:05:11 -0400 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: <200405061607.i46G7jlh022462@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Ah. So the best I might be able to hope for is to plug in a flashcard to > the HDD/DVD recorder and transfer a movie (how fast are flashcards? > Would I get a whole movie on one? Do these thing allow editing where I > could split a whole move (MP2?) file into smaller files for transfer?) > to it; then plug the flashcard into the Archos and do a transfer; then > plug in the Archos as a portable drive on my computer and run an MP2 to > MP4 converter program (do these even exist?). Or would I be better just > recording a movie in realtime to the Archos? Check out www.dvdrhelp.com . Browse through the forums, check out the guides. There's a lot of information there. Converting from MP2 to MP4, There's Divx (and Dr. Divx). From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Fri May 7 15:11:40 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:11:40 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: have www.play.com got it yet? colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > Does anyone know where to purchase this online? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. > > > >From: "bernhard.pospiech" > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD > >Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:55:16 +0200 > > > >Hi > > > >Received and watched the DVD today > > > >What a great piece of music !! > >Huwie in top form > >I missed him in Walthamstow > > > >The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! > > > > > >Bernhard > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri May 7 19:02:41 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL "aLiEn DrEaM" bLaCkMaN) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 08:32:41 +0930 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:02 AM Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > Does anyone know where to purchase this online? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. > > > >From: "bernhard.pospiech" > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD > >Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:55:16 +0200 > > > >Hi > > > >Received and watched the DVD today > > > >What a great piece of music !! > >Huwie in top form > >I missed him in Walthamstow > > > >The DVD is a MUST for every Hawkwind fan!!! > > > > > >Bernhard > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat May 8 22:27:50 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 22:27:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Magic Cat, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (May 9, 2004):We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #103), Magic Cat Radio (show #5), and Drool Trough (show #9). Note that Magic Cat Radio had previously appeared as guest shows on Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio, but Kev Ellis has contributed such a great bunch of cool shows that it seemed only fitting that he should get his own separate show. You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlist below. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #103) Jet Jaguar - "The Last Kings Of Space" (from Billion Year Spree) Fireclan - "Electric Sunrise" (from Sunrise to Sunset) 7:40 (with Daevid Allen) Sh'mantra - "Headlight" (from Further Adventurs Of Telepathic Explorers) New Planet Trampoline - "Phantom Picture Taker" (from The Curse of the New Planet Trampoline) World Of Tomorrow - "Inbetweenie" (from Interstellar Immigrant) Space Mirrors - "It's Cold Today In Underworld" (from The Darker Side of Art) Phased - "Woke Up This Morning And Gave Myself Head" (from Music For Gentlemen) Electric Poem - "On The Moon" (from The Crystal Mind) Scott Mosher - "Look Into You" (from Inferno) Chrome - "Zombie Warfare" (from Anthology 1979-1983 / Half Machine Lip Moves) Ethereal - "Into The Void" (from Beyond Neptune E.P.) Greg Segal - "Human In Sleep" (from Standard) Dave Skipper - "Fervescent" (from Essence) Planet 0 - "Moonbeams, Satellites and Shooting Stars" (from The Hermit Dreams In Color!!!!) Magic Cat Radio (show #5) This show is a compilation of live music recorded at "Songs From The Wood" that can be heard live & direct at The Fawcett Arms, Southsea, UK every tuesday night. for info on the weird and wonderful world of the Fawcett go to http://groups.msn.com/thefawcetteffect The Mushroom Men - "Mushroom Head" The Fawcett Suspects - "Blues Bar" A Bloke from New Zealand - "Sleep With The Radio On" Pete The Poet - "Peace Protest" The Fawcett Suspects - "Psychedelic Panther" David - "Urban Spaceman" Simon & Ian - "Don't Stop" The Fawcett Suspects - "You Don't Love Me" Chris Monkey - "Insane" Pixiephonic - "Elemental Child" David - "Sunday Afternoon" The Mushroom Men - "The Mushroom Song" The Fawcett Suspects - "Hurry On Closing Time" Drool Trough (show #9) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Listen to today's show for the chance to win a free SACK TRICK promo sampler CD!!! Benny Gordini with the Teen Axel Soul Arkestra - "Believe It Or Not" (from Ring-A-Dang Doo) The Slow Slushy Boys - "Why (I Want To Know" (from Shotgun Boo-Ga-Loo/Why (I Want To Know 7") The Come Ons - "Je T'aime... Moi Non Plus" (from The Come Ons Play Selections From The Serge Gainsbourg Songbook 7") Sack Trick - "All I Want Is Fish" (from Penguins On The Moon) Monno - "Torboyau" (from Candle Light Technology) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment - "Trippin' Too Hard" (from Shockibus Eruptum!) Billy Syndrome - "Human Shield" (from Beyond) Skinbat Scramble - "Pin Cushion" (from Volume Two) Brian Ritchie - "Watazumi's Tea Bowl" (from Shakuhachi Club NYC) Charles Rice Goff III - "Little Lizard King" (from Coo Sticky) Tristen Shields - "Sunbeams" (from Migrations) Mental Anguish - "Skunk Butter Brotha" (from Second Ashtray To Dawn) Mental Anguish - "Never A Nest Again" (from The Tapegerm Mixes) Sharron Kraus - "The Tree of Knowledge" (from Songs of Love and Loss) Ultraviolet Makes Me Sick - "I Think I Feel The Night Comin' On" (from ...No Freeway, No Plan, No Trees, No Ghosts) Somebody Famous - "Stop Playing!" (From A Chip Off The Old Block) Patrick Porter - "Low Command" (from Maybe Waltz) Deep Turtle - "Martillos Malditos" (from Turkele) Poor Luther's Bones - "That's What Keeps You Goin' On" (from Inside The Outsider) Big Big Train - "Pell Mell" (from Gathering Speed) http://Aural-Innovations.com From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 10 13:56:33 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:56:33 +0000 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: Thanks. Contact number or url for CD Services please anyone? >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD >Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:45:23 -0500 > >On Fri, 7 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > >:Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD >: >:Does anyone know where to purchase this online? >: > >You can get it from AndyG at cd services. > >Thx, > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon May 10 14:23:31 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:23:31 -0500 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: :Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD : :Thanks. : :Contact number or url for CD Services please anyone? : URL: http://www.cd-services.com/ email: orders at cd-services.com phone: (+44) 01382 776595 Fax: (+44) 01382 736702 Thanks, Arin (just a satisfied customer) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Mon May 10 14:31:33 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:31:33 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: info at cd-services.com or 40-42 Brantwood Avenue, DUNDEE, DD3 6EW. U.K. On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 18:56 Europe/London, eddie jobson wrote: > Thanks. > > Contact number or url for CD Services please anyone? > > >> From: Arin Komins >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD >> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:45:23 -0500 >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: >> >> :Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD >> : >> :Does anyone know where to purchase this online? >> : >> >> You can get it from AndyG at cd services. >> >> Thx, >> >> Arin >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >> Manager of Web Systems Architecture >> University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >> 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon May 10 16:14:00 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:00 EDT Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/2004 2:23:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: > http://www.cd-services.com > I could not find Out of the shadows, do they have it? From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon May 10 17:57:39 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:57:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Solstice at Stonehenge DVD In-Reply-To: <000e01c43487$66c321b0$b4cb8890@DrSBlackman> Message-ID: It looks like the last of the old Jettisoundz/Visionary Videos has a release date for DVD: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000260QAQ/qid=1084226023/sr=1-7/re f=sr_1_11_7/026-4979934-3356428 Rich From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon May 10 18:01:11 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:11 -0500 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD In-Reply-To: <15d.34b41095.2dd13c88@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 May 2004 Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: :Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD : :In a message dated 5/10/2004 2:23:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, :akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: : :> http://www.cd-services.com :> I could not find Out of the shadows, do they have it? Yep, although it may not yet be listed on their website. (At least, they *had* it in stock, as my copy arrived from them last week ;-) ) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon May 10 19:00:27 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:00:27 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: awwwww...............I'm blushing - thanks Arin!!!!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > On Mon, 10 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > : > :Thanks. > : > :Contact number or url for CD Services please anyone? > : > > URL: http://www.cd-services.com/ > email: orders at cd-services.com > phone: (+44) 01382 776595 > Fax: (+44) 01382 736702 > > Thanks, > > Arin > (just a satisfied customer) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon May 10 19:06:40 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:06:40 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: Arin's done it but if you want to e mail me privately it's deadearnest at btopenworld.com also. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: eddie jobson To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > Thanks. > > Contact number or url for CD Services please anyone? > > > >From: Arin Komins > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > >Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:45:23 -0500 > > > >On Fri, 7 May 2004, eddie jobson wrote: > > > >:Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > >: > >:Does anyone know where to purchase this online? > >: > > > >You can get it from AndyG at cd services. > > > >Thx, > > > >Arin > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > >Manager of Web Systems Architecture > >University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > >1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon May 10 19:16:35 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:16:35 +0100 Subject: Newcastle 2002 DVD Message-ID: Please please please - the CDS website has not been updated since its inception, over a year ago - it's a long story, not one I want to repeat and out of my hands anyway - so while the things on there of a back catalogue nature are still OK, for anything newer, e mail or phone or write to me and I'l be happy to answer all and any query. Thanks alot, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Newcastle 2002 DVD > In a message dated 5/10/2004 2:23:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: > > > http://www.cd-services.com > > I could not find Out of the shadows, do they have it? From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue May 11 09:42:48 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:42:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw Solo Gig In-Reply-To: <013501c436e2$96831ba0$5b038751@andy> Message-ID: >From www.planetgong.co.uk KANGAROO MOON/HUW LLOYD LANGTON Updated Tue 11 May 2004 Long time Gasser Dave Sheppard is putting on this full Moonie band gig in deepest (and by then warmest) Kent. Huw Lloyd Langton will abe a solo acouctic support - could be GAS members summer outing this one! There are a limited number of tickets and they're going fast. Fri 09 Jul - UK, Lyminge, Village Hall, nr Folkestone, Kent. ?5.00, 7.00pm. Tickets only available from Dave - Tel 01303-863474 Rich From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue May 11 12:59:40 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:59:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Circle tour Message-ID: Hello everyone... I'm just passing along these tour dates for the Finnish band Circle (an excellent hypnotic, psychedelic band), in case anyone happens to be in the area. 01.06.04 D-Hamburg, Kampnagel, www.kampnagel.de 02.06.04 D-Berlin, either Ausland (www.ausland-berlin.de) or Bastard (www.dorfdisco.de) 03.06.04 D-W?rzburg, Cafe Cairo (www.cafecairo.de) 04.06.04 - 07.06.04 in Studio 08.06.04 CH-Genf (Geneva), KAB-Usine (www.fusions.ch/clubs/kab.html) 09.06.04 F-Montreuil (Paris), Instants Chavires (www.instantschavires.com) 10.06.04 CH-D?dingen (Fribourg), Cafe Bad Bonn - Kilbi fest (www.badbonn.ch) 11.06.04 D-Kisslegg (n. Bodensee), Dodek's Farm (Wiggenreute 12) 12.06.04 D-Chemnitz, Voxxx (www.voxxx.de) D-Germany, F-France, CH-Switzerland I apologize for the x-posting... That's all... Grakkl (FAA) From gg at SIO4.COM Wed May 12 03:42:22 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:42:22 +0200 Subject: HW: Passport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: goooodmorning starwarriors! I have a question for the passport: what does it mean that I have to send a SAE to Hawkwind? They need only a large envelope with my address or I have to attach also the stamps? (I live in Italy, do you think there are problems?) thanks for all! ciao, gg From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 12 06:35:04 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:35:04 +0100 Subject: The whole shebang Message-ID: Nobody by any chance has copied every track in the Hawkwind Codex onto their MP3 player/DVD disc, have they? Just in case I'm about to waste a lot of time repeating the effort when some more convenient arrangement could be made. Note that I'm not soliciting for copyright breakage. I do have legit versions of all of it, usually multiple copies of. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 12 07:09:38 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:09:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Passport In-Reply-To: Pierluigi Fumi's message of Wed, 12 May 2004 09:42:22 +0200 Message-ID: Pierluigi Fumi writes: > goooodmorning starwarriors! > > I have a question for the passport: > what does it mean that I have to send a SAE to Hawkwind? They need > only a large envelope with my address or I have to attach also the > stamps? (I live in Italy, do you think there are problems?) Yes, you should attach the stamps to an envelope with your address on it and include that with your application. I seem to recall some EU deal that there's some stamp you can buy in any EU country which will get a letter to any other EU country. The Passport shouldn't breach the weight limit for a letter. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 12 10:23:46 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:23:46 -0400 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? In-Reply-To: <200405061607.i46G7jlh022462@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:07:45PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: => OK, that makes sense. So what bitrate would give CD quality? The lowest => bitrate for MP3 seems to knock nearly 90% off the filesize. Presumably => that means the quality is quite poor? What do others use as the => reasonable compromise on portable players? Actually, the lowest bitrate for MPEG audio would knock more than 90% off the filesize. Normal linear PCM audio (as on a CD) consists of 16-bit stereo samples at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz. So, that's a bitrate of 44100*16*2 = 1411200 bps of data. Here are the supported bitrates for MPEG layer 3 audio: MPEG-1 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 32 48 44.1 bitrates (kbps): 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 160 192 224 256 320 MPEG-2 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 16 24 22.05 bitrates (kbps): 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 MPEG-2.5 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 8 12 11.025 bitrates (kbps): 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 So, for 44.1 KHz audio, the lowest bitrate is actually 32 kbps. That amounts to more than a 97% saving over the original audio stream size. If you were also prepared to downsample (say to 22.05 KHz), you could use an 8 kbps bitrate (MPEG-2 layer 3) for a greater than 99% reduction in size compared to the original uncompressed audio. Of course, I'd only recommend such low bitrates for _Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_... :-) The quality loss depends upon several factors, which includes these, amongst others: target bitrate, encoder bandpass filtering, encoder subsampling, encoder psychoacoustic model employed, constant vs. variable bitrate, etc.. All of these (except constant vs. variable bitrate) trade off audio quality for encoded file size. As Doug pointed out, certain types of music are easier to compress than others without obvious audible quality loss. As a general rule, studio material compresses better than live audience recordings. A big reason for this is that the room ambience in an audience recording is more complex noise than the recording studio ambience (where great pains are taken to remove extraneous, unwanted noise sources). Noise is a source of randomness, and randomness does not compress well (by its very nature). In addition, the subband coding approach of MPEG audio compression allows you to treat different parts of the audible spectrum with different encoding fidelity. (A simple way of thinking of this is to view the encoder like a "graphic equaliser" where the heights of the slider for that portion of the frequency range represents how many bits from out of the bitrate will be allocated to encode that portion. The more bits allocated, the better the quality.) So, if you wanted more detail in the midrange, you could devote most of your bitrate to that section of the audible spectrum. One famous (and dominant) MPEG encoder notoriously cheated to obtain great compression by filtering out entirely all audio above 16 KHz. Because that was a huge source of noise, leaving it in and compressing it lowered the compression ratio. :-) So, what encoding bitrate to use? Note that the highest is 320 kbps, which is actually only 40 Kbytes/s. (Uncompressed CD audio is ~176 Kbytes/s.) The 320 kbps bitrate was used in blind listening tests by industry "golden ears" and was apparently adjudged acceptable (i.e., not distinguishable from the original uncompressed CD audio). In other words, even at the highest bitrate (quality), you're going to see a big reduction in encoded file size. For my encoding, I use LAME in high-quality variable bitrate (VBR) mode, allowing the bitrate to vary between 128 and 320 kbps. When I encoded a bunch of Bevis Frond studio material for a listening CD, it seemed that the average bitrate ended up at 224 kbps. (LAME actually outputs a histogram showing the distribution of bitrates used across encoded frames.) The encoded files sound great, IMHO. Actually, LAME supports an average bitrate (ABR) encoding mode where you can tell it to aim for a target average bitrate used. It uses VBR encoding, but chooses the bitrate for each frame such as to head towards the desired average. LAME has several "preset" ABR modes, as follows: >>>>> A few aliases are available for ABR mode: phone => 16kbps/mono phon+/lw/mw-eu/sw => 24kbps/mono mw-us => 40kbps/mono voice => 56kbps/mono fm/radio/tape => 112kbps hifi => 160kbps cd => 192kbps studio => 256kbps <<<<< This may serve as a guide to choosing encoding bitrates depending upon input source. => EAC? It can do this on the fly? EAC = Exact Audio Copy. This is the most respected CDDA extraction program for Windows when used in Secure mode and after having had the sector offset correctly calibrated. It has also mushroomed into an audio burning program now. It can do the CD -> MPEG compression on the fly. => Ah. So the best I might be able to hope for is to plug in a flashcard to => the HDD/DVD recorder and transfer a movie (how fast are flashcards? => Would I get a whole movie on one? Do these thing allow editing where I => could split a whole move (MP2?) file into smaller files for transfer?) => to it; then plug the flashcard into the Archos and do a transfer; then => plug in the Archos as a portable drive on my computer and run an MP2 to => MP4 converter program (do these even exist?). Or would I be better just => recording a movie in realtime to the Archos? Does the Archos have a FireWire (IEEE 1394) connection? That is the de facto standard for digital video, and can often be found on digital camcorders for download of digital video. It would be better for moving around digital video. I'm not sure how big flash cards are these days, but "less than a gigabyte" springs to mind. (128 MB and 256 MB USB "pen drives" seem very popular around here.) As for the "would I get a whole movie on one," it depends upon how it was encoded. Again, like audio, digital video is a tradeoff between perceptual quality and encoded file size. For one, just the dimensions of the picture frame will have a big impact on the size of the encoded movie: a 640x480 pixel frame size will require a lot more space than a tiny 160x120 pixel frame size. The larger the frame size, the more detail you will be able to capture (but the more space it will require). There are a bunch of standard frame sizes, governed by all kinds of things such as adherance to broadcast standards, whether the pixels are square or not, and widescreen vs. normal aspect ratios. As you mentioned recording VHS, it might be handy to use the VCD encoding parameters, which I've heard said is aimed at "VHS quality." (VCD is 352x240 for NTSC, 352x288 for PAL.) There is a handy reference table of standard frame sizes at http://www.mir.com/DMG/aspect.html The type of codec also plays a large part in the encoded file size. MPEG-4 proprietary codecs may be able to achieve higher compression ratios, but they are less standard than, say, MPEG-2, and your encoded film may not play on someone else's machine if they lack the codec. As an example of the difference it can make in size, consider everyone's favourite film, _Reefer Madness_, available for download from the "Feature Films" area of the "Moving Images" section of the Internet Archive (www.archive.org). It has a running time of 1:08:17. They offer it for download in various formats with different sizes: 256Kb MPEG-4: 177.9 MB MPEG-2: 2.7 GB MPEG-1: 371.3 MB So I guess "format matters" where size is concerned. :-) BTW, as an alternative to the Archos for video, have you considered just buying a graphics card with a TV-in/out for digital video capture and playback purposes on your existing PC? (They are cheap and standard these days.) A friend's desktop PC has a nVidia GeForce4 MX/440 with TV-in/out, and I used it to record an old VHS recording she wished to preserve. I connected the video out of my VHS VCR to the video in of the graphics card, and the audio out of the VCR to the audio in of the PC's sound card. I then used video capture software to record the VHS playing to the PC hard drive. I just recorded it directly to MPEG. If I were going to do any kind of editing on it, I would have recorded it using a "lossless" codec like HuffYUV so as to minimise editing-induced quality loss. Then, after doing all the editing, I'd have done a high-quality MPEG encoding. As you probably use Windows, you can use free software like VirtualDub to do capture and video transformations (like de-interlacing, noise cleanup, logo removal, etc.) via the many available plugins. There are also lots of tutorials for VirtualDub that also give handy tips and guides on doing video capture without frame drop and editing whilst maintaining good quality. There is also a free Windows utility called VirtualVCR that is aimed at easy high-quality video capture. Given the large amounts of storage space digital video consumes, and the cheapness of PC hard drives, a PC-based digital video solution might be the cheapest and most flexible. Of course, unlike a hardware solution aimed at the consumer market, it may require a slightly higher learning curve. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed May 12 12:32:59 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:32:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Passport In-Reply-To: <1519421855.20040512094222@sio4.com>; from gg@SIO4.COM on Wed, May 12, 2004 at 09:42:22AM +0200 Message-ID: On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 09:42:22AM +0200, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > what does it mean that I have to send a SAE to Hawkwind? They need > only a large envelope with my address or I have to attach also the > stamps? When I had this problem, I solved it by enclosing a couple of International Reply Coupons (IRCs). They were invented for just this purpose. See http://www.upu.int/irc/en/index.html for an explanation. They were quite expensive compared to a postage stamp, so one wouldn't want to use them for large amounts, but I could live with it for two coupons. You should be able to buy them at your post office. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 12 13:02:36 2004 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:02:36 +0100 Subject: The whole shebang In-Reply-To: <200405121035.i4CAZ4B3004127@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: As it happens, I've digitized about 30% of it over the last few weeks. It's in .m4a though if that is of any use to you. I'm using iTunes/iPod and Mac OS X. If your player will support AAC I'll stick my library into an ftp share. Dave On 12 May 2004, at 11:35, M Holmes wrote: > Nobody by any chance has copied every track in the Hawkwind Codex onto > their MP3 player/DVD disc, have they? Just in case I'm about to waste a > lot of time repeating the effort when some more convenient arrangement > could be made. > > Note that I'm not soliciting for copyright breakage. I do have legit > versions of all of it, usually multiple copies of. > > FoFP > From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Wed May 12 14:22:20 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:22:20 EDT Subject: HW: Passport Message-ID: In a message dated 12/05/04 17:33:46 GMT Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 09:42:22AM +0200, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > > what does it mean that I have to send a SAE to Hawkwind? They need > > only a large envelope with my address or I have to attach also the > > stamps? > Remember to also send 2 passport size/style photos From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed May 12 16:36:40 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:36:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found this on the net, so You old gaffers, do You know these songs, is this something I should be anticipating with joy or fear like the plague ? Wow wow wow -- word has it RUSH are releasing a covers EP June 22, in time for their 30th Anniversary tour! Can't wait to hear Rush cover bands like The Who, Love, and The Yardbirds, Buffalo Springfield, and others on classics like "Summertime Blues," "7 & 7 Is," "For What It's Worth," "The Seeker," "Crossroads," and "Shape of Things." (5/10) From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed May 12 17:06:28 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:06:28 -0400 Subject: New Hawkwind Book Message-ID: just to let folks know that I've just uploaded an exclusive interview with author of the upcoming book "Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins" to the Hawkwind museum web site, to access it just click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/ian.htm there's also the necessary links to order it if you haven't done so already! hope you enjoy it regards Dave From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed May 12 18:08:48 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:08:48 +0100 Subject: Help with all this digital stuff? Message-ID: How I wish I knew what all this meant!!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Help with all this digital stuff? > On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:07:45PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > => OK, that makes sense. So what bitrate would give CD quality? The lowest > => bitrate for MP3 seems to knock nearly 90% off the filesize. Presumably > => that means the quality is quite poor? What do others use as the > => reasonable compromise on portable players? > > Actually, the lowest bitrate for MPEG audio would knock more than 90% > off the filesize. Normal linear PCM audio (as on a CD) consists of > 16-bit stereo samples at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz. So, that's a > bitrate of 44100*16*2 = 1411200 bps of data. Here are the supported > bitrates for MPEG layer 3 audio: > > MPEG-1 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 32 48 44.1 > bitrates (kbps): 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 160 192 224 256 320 > > MPEG-2 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 16 24 22.05 > bitrates (kbps): 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 > > MPEG-2.5 layer III sample frequencies (kHz): 8 12 11.025 > bitrates (kbps): 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 > > > So, for 44.1 KHz audio, the lowest bitrate is actually 32 kbps. That > amounts to more than a 97% saving over the original audio stream > size. If you were also prepared to downsample (say to 22.05 KHz), you > could use an 8 kbps bitrate (MPEG-2 layer 3) for a greater than 99% > reduction in size compared to the original uncompressed audio. etc etc etc From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed May 12 20:30:55 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:30:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Confirmed Message-ID: + ++ +STAR WARRIORS + + ++ NEXT GIGS: These dates are now CONFIRMED: Thursday 20th May Mylos Club Thessaloniki Greece Venue Info: http://www.mylos.gr/programma.php Local Info: http://en.saloniki.org/ Friday 21st May Gagarin205 Club Athens Greece Venue Info / Location: http://www.gagarin205.gr/ Friday 11th June Sweden Rock Festival (10th-12th June) Solvesborg (near Malmo) Sweden www.Ticketline.co.uk Saturday 10th July Ruisrock Festival (10th-11th July) Turku Finland INFOLINE Call: 0600-070 809 (In Finland) Weekdays from 9 to 5 Please send email to info at tiketti.fi for purchasing tickets from abroad. http://www.ruisrock.fi/ Saturday 17th July Burg Hurzberg - Germany We will be headlining the Burg Herzberg Festival on July 17th 2004; Full details (albeit in German) are available from the website: http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/ ++MESSAGE ENDS + + + ++ From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed May 12 21:38:37 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:38:37 -0400 Subject: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: <1293D94F-A454-11D8-9409-0050E450F316@tninet.se> Message-ID: These are all great songs, and I will be looking forward to the RUSH covers. Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:37 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands I found this on the net, so You old gaffers, do You know these songs, is this something I should be anticipating with joy or fear like the plague ? Wow wow wow -- word has it RUSH are releasing a covers EP June 22, in time for their 30th Anniversary tour! Can't wait to hear Rush cover bands like The Who, Love, and The Yardbirds, Buffalo Springfield, and others on classics like "Summertime Blues," "7 & 7 Is," "For What It's Worth," "The Seeker," "Crossroads," and "Shape of Things." (5/10) From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Thu May 13 04:33:30 2004 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alogilvy at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:33:30 EDT Subject: Cricket star Message-ID: Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? Why was it released as a flexi? I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a copy. How was it made available, was it with a magazine? Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a photo of the disc? Thanks Al From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 13 05:32:16 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:16 +0000 Subject: Cricket star Message-ID: Will try and take a picture of it for you next time I get a chance. No spare though. Saw it on Ebay a while back, wasn't that dear, about ?10 I think. Eddie. >From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Cricket star >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:33:30 EDT > >Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? >Why was it released as a flexi? >I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a >copy. >How was it made available, was it with a magazine? >Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a >photo of the disc? >Thanks >Al From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 13 06:35:22 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:35:22 +0100 Subject: The whole shebang In-Reply-To: David Greenhalgh's message of Wed, 12 May 2004 18:02:36 +0100 Message-ID: David Greenhalgh writes: > As it happens, I've digitized about 30% of it over the last few weeks. > It's in .m4a though if that is of any use to you. I'm using iTunes/iPod > and Mac OS X. If your player will support AAC I'll stick my library > into an ftp share. Thanks but unfortunately the Archos only handles MP3. Cheers FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu May 13 06:56:00 2004 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:56:00 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Confirmed Message-ID: Rikwrote: > NEXT GIGS: These dates are now CONFIRMED: No Australian dates...WTF is going on :-) Cheers Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 13 13:45:12 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: <1293D94F-A454-11D8-9409-0050E450F316@tninet.se>; from zim594j@TNINET.SE on Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:36:40PM +0200 Message-ID: On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:36:40PM +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > I found this on the net, so You old gaffers, do You know these songs, Half of them, classics all. > is this something I should be anticipating with joy or fear like the > plague ? Good question! This could be good ... or a complete desecration. Personally, I vote for "an interesting novelty", but we'll have to wait and see. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Thu May 13 13:49:46 2004 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Cosmos In Space) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:49:46 +0200 Subject: OT: some vinyl In-Reply-To: <20040513134512.B5643@telepres.com> Message-ID: i'm cleaning out some vinyl records from my own collection. if anyone is interested do let me know. -priority shipping is extra: Europe: 6 euro Rest of the world: 11 euro -payment is only possible by using PAYPAL HERE AND NOW - FANTASY SHIFT 10 euro HERE AND NOW - BEEN & GONE 10 euro IMPERIAL POMPADOURS - ERSATZ 25 euro GREASY TRUCKERS LIVE AT DINGWALLS 25 euro all these records are in perfect condition as are the covers too. REPLY OFF-LIST PLEASE as we don't want to bother anyone with private mails. sorry for this commercial but if you don't like it just use DELETE regards andre From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 13 13:50:31 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:50:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Confirmed In-Reply-To: <001101c438d8$e0dd2fe0$b1e9fea9@iinet>; from freeaqua@IINET.NET.AU on Thu, May 13, 2004 at 06:56:00PM +0800 Message-ID: On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 06:56:00PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > No Australian dates...WTF is going on :-) Or North American ones, despite the rumblings a while back! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Thu May 13 14:09:48 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:09:48 +0100 Subject: Cricket star In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Grief!!! I really doubt you'll be able to find a copy.There is bound to someone in the group who'll be able to fill in the history for you. I can't lay my hands on the details at the moment. Sorry. Paul. On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 09:33 Europe/London, Alogilvy at AOL.COM wrote: > Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? > Why was it released as a flexi? > I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a > copy. > How was it made available, was it with a magazine? > Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail > me a > photo of the disc? > Thanks > Al > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu May 13 14:43:21 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:43:21 -0500 Subject: Cricket star In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not too hard to pick up, I've seen it a number of times for between 6 and 10 UK Pounds, at record fairs, and in 2/H Record Stores. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:34 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Cricket star Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? Why was it released as a flexi? I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a copy. How was it made available, was it with a magazine? Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a photo of the disc? Thanks Al From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu May 13 15:12:45 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:12:45 -0400 Subject: OT: some vinyl Message-ID: On Thu, 13 May 2004 19:49:46 +0200, Cosmos In Space wrote: >i'm cleaning out some vinyl records from my own collection. >if anyone is interested do let me know. > >IMPERIAL POMPADOURS - ERSATZ 25 euro Someone needs to jump on this one, since this is a very good price for an extremely rare album that is probably the WEIRDEST-ever Hawkwind-related album. Essential for Calvert & Turner fans IMHO. >GREASY TRUCKERS LIVE AT DINGWALLS 25 euro This is the one with Gong & Camel, not the one with Hawkwind & Man. Still a good album (the Gong side is GREAT). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu May 13 15:14:52 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:14:52 +0100 Subject: Cricket star Message-ID: Robert Calvert and the 1st XI. 'Cricket Star'. Wake Up Records WUR5. Bob recorded Cricket Star with his band in 1974 for UA in what was apparently a very authentic reggae style - unfortunately the record company weren't impressed and the song was shelved, the master tapes subsequently lost. He later took the song to Adrian Wagner, who owned the Electronic Dream Plant, responsible for the Wasp synthesiser. At the time, bands were releasing coloured vinyl, picture discs, flexi discs, single sided singles etc, so Bob put all these ingredients together to release a one-sided green picture flexi single. It was sold through independent record shops - Graduate in Dudley (remember them?) were one stockist - for something like 75p. That would have been in 1979, as I recall. I have a copy here - I'll scan the disc in and send you the image off list. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Cricket star > Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? > Why was it released as a flexi? > I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a copy. > How was it made available, was it with a magazine? > Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a > photo of the disc? > Thanks > Al From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu May 13 15:21:33 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:21:33 +0100 Subject: Cricket star Message-ID: Just noticed its 33rpm, which makes it a one-sided green picture flexi EP. Can't be many of them about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Cricket star > Robert Calvert and the 1st XI. 'Cricket Star'. Wake Up Records WUR5. > > Bob recorded Cricket Star with his band in 1974 for UA in what was > apparently a very authentic reggae style - unfortunately the record company > weren't impressed and the song was shelved, the master tapes subsequently > lost. > > He later took the song to Adrian Wagner, who owned the Electronic Dream > Plant, responsible for the Wasp synthesiser. At the time, bands were > releasing coloured vinyl, picture discs, flexi discs, single sided singles > etc, so Bob put all these ingredients together to release a one-sided green > picture flexi single. > > It was sold through independent record shops - Graduate in Dudley (remember > them?) were one stockist - for something like 75p. That would have been in > 1979, as I recall. > > I have a copy here - I'll scan the disc in and send you the image off list. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:33 AM > Subject: Cricket star > > > > Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? > > Why was it released as a flexi? > > I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a > copy. > > How was it made available, was it with a magazine? > > Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a > > photo of the disc? > > Thanks > > Al From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu May 13 18:55:03 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:55:03 +0100 Subject: Cricket star Message-ID: I've got a spare one - if nobody else has offered you one yet. Still in its original white (now rather yellow) paper bag! I think it's a fantastic record - still play it occasionally and every year I keep thinking I should somehow let the BBC commentry team know about it - the West Indies are touring this year aren't they - it seems a good time for a re-release - topical music style too these days! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Cricket star > Does anyone out there know the history of Bobs Flexidisc? > Why was it released as a flexi? > I've never owned a copy, and am finding it difficult to get hold of a copy. > How was it made available, was it with a magazine? > Does anyone out there have a spare copy for sale? can someone EMail me a > photo of the disc? > Thanks > Al From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu May 13 23:29:37 2004 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:29:37 EDT Subject: OT: some vinyl Message-ID: One of my favorite Gong rarities. If it has the insert it is worth a lot more than the asking price. From zim594j at TNINET.SE Fri May 14 01:12:33 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:12:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: <20040513134512.B5643@telepres.com> Message-ID: Well...hmmm... the cover looks promising anyway.... http://www.t-n-m-s.com torsdagen den 13 maj 2004 kl 19.45 skrev Eric Siegerman: > On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:36:40PM +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> I found this on the net, so You old gaffers, do You know these songs, > > Half of them, classics all. > >> is this something I should be anticipating with joy or fear like the >> plague ? > > Good question! This could be good ... or a complete desecration. > Personally, I vote for "an interesting novelty", but we'll have > to wait and see. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer > wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the > drum kit around during songs. > - Patrick Lenneau > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 14 02:57:44 2004 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:57:44 +0100 Subject: Nektar US/Can/London dates Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: OFF: Nektar US/Can/London dates > > P.S. Hawkwind-related point...Tony Hill's Fiction will > open in London (if Robert Calvert's appearance on "Down to > Earth" wasn't already enough*)...BTW, really Ian A.?, you > haven't heard this, and you call yourself a Hawkwind > historian?! :) Just kidding...the "Journey..." is (finally) > in the mail...hope you like it. > > *of course, why I bothered checking out Nektar at all, > some twenty-? years ago. > Thanks for the CD, Keith! I'm sure it'll go well towards improving my musical education! So, yes, unfortunately my text will have to do without any reference to Nektar and we'll have to satisfy ourselves with Jello Biafa's thoughts on the influence of Hawkwind and Calvert on his work instead ;-) Thanks again for the disc - nice one! Ian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 14 05:22:38 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:38 +0100 Subject: Cricket star In-Reply-To: Captain Bl@ck's message of Thu, 13 May 2004 20:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: Captain Bl at ck writes: > Just noticed its 33rpm, which makes it a one-sided green picture flexi EP. > > Can't be many of them about. That whole Calvert subversion thing is what makes me suspect that Silver Machine was originally meant to be an "anti-single" made simply to satisfy Suit demands for a single to put out. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri May 14 08:34:35 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:34:35 +0100 Subject: BOC/OFF: the Jams,. kicked out or otherwise In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040403175853.00695f1c@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Jason Scruton wrote (quoting John MacIntyre): > >Kick Out The Jams. If you don't like that, there's no need in going any > >further. Absolutely, positively, do not start with Back In The USA. > >That album is a textbook example of the difference a producer can make, > >in this case for the worse. Speaking as someone who did just what John says not to, I heartily second his advice. There is almost nothing good that can be said about _Back In The USA_, and I think what there is can be put in the three words `Human Being Lawnmower'. > The jams, for the 5, -- I'd say be 'props'. in the context of The original > phrase, "Kick out the jams or get off the stage", i'd say they're equal to > lettin' everything go, do IT full throttle or not at all. Carl Anderson long ago challenged me to translate `Kick Out the Jams' into Latin, following early successes with `rock and roll motherfucker' and `swings like God's own dick' (yes, we were listening to Monster Magnet now you come to mention it). I'm still at a loss to come up with a handy *English* definition of `jams' here, let alone one that takes into account the _Illuminatus!_ version... Yours, Jon ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Nour d'Oui_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri May 14 08:50:22 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:50:22 +0100 Subject: Off- 21st Century Schizoid Band In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E1222D7AB@ntguslaexs1.neuus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > Hey, has anyone on the list seen these guys? I love old King Crimson and > was delighted to see that 21st SB are touring the U.S. Any info that > can be shared is most appreciated! Meant to get to this sooner, but yes, I saw them when they played Cambridge a while back, and I even wrote a review, which follows. I grant you it's eighteen months old now, and the setlist must have changed, but this was how it was then. On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I wrote elsewhere: > > "The 21st Century Schizoid Band. This, should you not know, is > four ex-members of King Crimson and a new vocalist-guitarist doing old KC > material and new solo etc. stuff. So we sort of had to go, what with them > being in our town and everything. > > "Support was one man with a six-string fretless bass, a load of > pedals and a box which I shall term a loop generator. He came on stage, > said, `Clap then, I'm the support act', and transpired to be called Steve > Lawson. He had a lot of pedals, at least one of which was a pitchshifter, > and thus managed to cover a lot of ground with his bass. What he did was > to set up riffs and odd-noise patterns, loop them and build on them, but > this is a rather limited art-form, and nothing he could do was interesting > for longer than about two minutes because it became impossible to change > anything much. He wasn't in full control of it either; he messed up the > timing on a couple of the loops, his natural rhythm wasn't perfect and he > was trying to work too many controls. He had to keep telling the audience > when stuff was finished. I thought that there would be people interested > to see how it was done who would then do similar things but not all by > themselves. It wasn't an act in itself. > > "The actual band though, whom we went to see and everything, were > rather better. One may learn something from the instruments on stage as > they took it; Mel Collins, ex-Lindisfarne among other things, had a > treble, tenor and a baritone saxophone, a flute, and a synthesizer; the > drummer, Michael Giles, had a huge drum-kit with ten cymbals on it, half > of which turned out to be pressure pads set *loud* so that he sounded as > if he were really belting it when in fact he was being normal; Jacko > Jakszyk, the guitarist and vocalist, ex-Level 42 of all things but also > Michael Giles's son-in-law, was also playing a flute in one number and > helped Mel with the synth; the other Giles brother nearly only played the > bass but also took a hand (literally--he pressed one key) with the second > synth at one point; and Ian MacDonald played synthesizer, tambourines, > flute and grand piano. They didn't have a mellotron, which was rather a > pity but beyond that it was difficult to see what they might be > missing. We got several twin-lead-flute passages therefore and everyone > shifted round quite a lot outside the rhythm section. All were very good, > *especially* the rhythm section; the bass player made everything look > utterly effortless, doing everything the simplest way, and the drummer as > I say was making full use of electronics to boost his kit, though the > pressure pads didn't always help as they only seemed to have quiet and > *loud* options and they were often louder than the rest of the kit, and at > moments indeed the whole band. That was the only mix problem though. To > get all criticisms done with quickly, Ian MacDonald shouldn't sing; and > Jacko, though he was very good at imitating early Robert Fripp, wasn't > half as good as Fripp is now, and seemed to actually want to be Satriani > or someone more widdly than Fripp when he was actually let solo. > Furthermore, though his pitch was perfect, unusually so, he couldn't reach > the high notes as clearly as the (admittedly much-treated-in-the-studio) > voice of Greg Lake does on the first album, and it was odd hearing the > crystal-clear lines of `Epitaph' so husky, and losing the top note that > makes it so poignant. He did very well but wasn't quite the thing. If you > had to pick a weak link... but that would be very unfair because the band > was ridiculously well-drilled and made no mistakes that I could spot, > apart from nearly fluffing one of the all-change moments which you have to > be damn good to try anyway mid-song, so no weakest link title need be > awarded. > > "The set-list, with comments, was like this: > > Pictures of a City (big sax!) > Cat Food (this is a test song really, isn't it? A bad band can't do > it, only a good band can do it well; this proved we had a good > band here) > Let There Be Light (a new number by MacDonald and Pete Seinfeld, not > bad but rather less ambitious in terms of rhythm and so on than > I might have hoped, 4/4 all through) > Progress (a solo number of I think Mel's, social commentary of a > fairly usual sort--at this point I realised the problem of > having such a good band playing, it made it difficult to tell > when the material was poor because it was all given virtuoso > treatment anyway) > The Court of the Crimson King (before which Jacko explained his > presence in the band as the result of winning 2001 Prog Idol > with this number... It was very good, but the lack of mellotron > meant it didn't swamp one as much it should do. 9/10) > Formentara Lady (lovely building long jam here) > Tomorrow's People (a Giles-MacDonald number, bouncy, again its > essential floppy-hippiness and lack of interest hidden by the > excellent playing--nonetheless I did not feel I needed the > album) > If I Was (a solo number by Ian, again, not inspiring compared to what > else they were playing) > Ladies of the Road (this was top stuff; Jacko's voice was fine for > this, and I'm probably going to like any song that starts in > 9/4 and then `settles' into 7/4...) > I Talk to the Wind (not so right for this, though he did it perfectly > well; he's just not Greg Lake) > Epitaph (this would have been excellent had he made that top note, > but he, perhaps wisely, didn't try, and again only 9/10) > * > ? (I don't know what the first tune of the encore was--other setlists > suggest it would be `Birdman--The Reflection'? But it sounded > like a Rick Wright number and was easily the weakest thing they > played all night) > 21st Century Schizoid Man (no complaints about this at all!) > > "In sum, they weren't quite King Crimson but they were doing stuff > KC don't do now, and they came damn close. I didn't feel the need to get > their album because, basically, the studio recordings aren't different > enough, which is a commendation of a sort I suppose? Worth seeing live > though, definitely!" Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri May 14 11:25:41 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:25:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Another cover? Message-ID: Found on... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006O0PQ/ref=pd_ir_m_h_/026-6 234791-4312426 Sucking the 70's - Various Artists Track 11. Brainstorm - Los Natas From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri May 14 11:32:43 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:32:43 +0200 Subject: Another cover? Message-ID: >Sucking the 70's - Various Artists > >Track 11. Brainstorm - Los Natas Yes! http://www.stonerrock.com/store/info.asp?item_num=ATH-1786 Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Anybody heard it? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 14 11:38:10 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:38:10 +0100 Subject: Burg Herzberg Message-ID: Flight Navigation Vectors Now Maintained. Ground Translation Now Awaits. Personal Accreditation Status established (thanks Wilfried) So who else is coming? FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri May 14 12:02:17 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:02:17 +0100 Subject: Burg Herzberg In-Reply-To: <200405141538.i4EFcARD016289@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Me & Ian are coming, flights sorted tickets for festival yet to be bought. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 14 May 2004 16:38 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Burg Herzberg > > > Flight Navigation Vectors Now Maintained. > Ground Translation Now Awaits. > Personal Accreditation Status established (thanks Wilfried) > > So who else is coming? > > FoFP > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri May 14 12:10:46 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:10:46 +0200 Subject: OFF:Kyuss Message-ID: Hello, This is really of topic,but I'm looking for the e-mail adress of Scott Heller or does anyone know the right date of the Kyuss concert in The Vooruit,Gent,Belgium? greetings filip From youless at COX.NET Fri May 14 13:22:11 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:22:11 -0400 Subject: HW: New Adrian Shaw Interview Message-ID: Hi I've just added a new interview with Adrian Shaw to Stafarer's Hawkwind Page. 1. Go to http://www.starfarer.net 2. Click on the red "What's New" link near the top of the home page 3. Click on the "Adrian Shaw Interview" link, in red. Cheers Steve From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri May 14 13:36:44 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:44 EDT Subject: HW: New Adrian Shaw Interview Message-ID: Good one...thanks! Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri May 14 15:20:14 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:20:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: <4EAC79E0-A565-11D8-BAF8-0050E450F316@tninet.se>; from zim594j@TNINET.SE on Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:12:33AM +0200 Message-ID: On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:12:33AM +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Well...hmmm... the cover looks promising anyway.... Thanks for the link. I'm rather curious as to how they'll will manage the more bluesy numbers. "Heart Full of Soul"? That's so not a Rush song! I could as well imagine Hawkwind covering Surfin' Safari :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 14 18:19:31 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:19:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 2004 15:20:14 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >I could as well imagine Hawkwind covering Surfin' Safari :-) Why not? "Silver Machine" and "Surfin' USA" are almost the same chords/riff ... ;^) (Not to mention Calvert's "Lay Of The Surfers" - and the harmonies on "Catch A Falling Starfighter" [where else can you hear Lemmy and Eno harmonizing?!?!] are nearly as impressive as the BB's, thankyou Roy Thomas Baker [aka mr. "Bohemian Rhapsody"].) And I *do* think that "7 and 7 Is" could sound pretty cool sung with the Geddy screech ... -Doug (Beach Boys fan, Love [not Mike] fan, not Rush fan) jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 14 19:58:37 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:58:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: diverging off the previous topic a bit - I was listening to a Chicago Blues programme the other evening and a lady came onto the stage and launched into a dynamic and intense blues track I didn't know the name of BUT the bass intro and the riff underlying it .... the same intro and riff underlying Orgone Accumulator. In fact the more I hear of blues music the more I realise why I get drawn into (particularly the early) Hawkwind tracks - that music underlies everything! Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands > On Fri, 14 May 2004 15:20:14 -0400, Eric Siegerman > wrote: > > >I could as well imagine Hawkwind covering Surfin' Safari :-) > > Why not? "Silver Machine" and "Surfin' USA" are almost the same > chords/riff ... ;^) (Not to mention Calvert's "Lay Of The Surfers" - and > the harmonies on "Catch A Falling Starfighter" [where else can you hear > Lemmy and Eno harmonizing?!?!] are nearly as impressive as the BB's, > thankyou Roy Thomas Baker [aka mr. "Bohemian Rhapsody"].) > > And I *do* think that "7 and 7 Is" could sound pretty cool sung with the > Geddy screech ... > > -Doug (Beach Boys fan, Love [not Mike] fan, not Rush fan) > jasret at mindspring.com From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri May 14 21:04:58 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:04:58 +0100 Subject: Another cover? Message-ID: yes - we sold a few of this ages back - a fine album - although not the greatest cover of a Hawkwind song in the world, it has to be said. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: HW: Another cover? > Found on... > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006O0PQ/ref=pd_ir_m_h_/026-6 > 234791-4312426 > > Sucking the 70's - Various Artists > > Track 11. Brainstorm - Los Natas From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat May 15 00:57:13 2004 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:57:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2004 3:20:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > I'm rather curious as to how they'll will manage the more bluesy > numbers. "Heart Full of Soul"? That's so not a Rush song! I > could as well imagine Hawkwind covering Surfin' Safari :-) > their first (pre-peart) 45 b-side was a cover of "not fade away" mp3, anyone? -bobm From zim594j at TNINET.SE Sat May 15 06:39:35 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:39:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: Rush covers 60's bands In-Reply-To: <20040514152013.A13314@telepres.com> Message-ID: Things getting more promising as details unfolds... Summertime Blues is going to be based on Blue Cheer's version rather than The Who's... maybe they'll make justice to the title "Feedback". fredagen den 14 maj 2004 kl 21.20 skrev Eric Siegerman: > On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:12:33AM +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> Well...hmmm... the cover looks promising anyway.... > > Thanks for the link. > > I'm rather curious as to how they'll will manage the more bluesy > numbers. "Heart Full of Soul"? That's so not a Rush song! I > could as well imagine Hawkwind covering Surfin' Safari :-) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer > wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the > drum kit around during songs. > - Patrick Lenneau > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat May 15 07:40:00 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:40:00 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: name your best of... In-Reply-To: <200405121035.i4CAZ4B3004127@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Seeing as how tBS' first best of (Wow, that reads oddly) is in the works, what would be your top 12 brain surgeon songs? and what would you title it? "a baker's dozen of golden hits" Most Romantic Place in the World Medusa Name your monster 666 (devil got your mother) Krakatoa Hansel and Gretel Kiss is a Promise Rock and Roll is Dead St. Vitus Dance Donkey Show My Civilization Gimme Nothing (or On the Road Again) Alpha and Omega (or Swamp Thing) More than the truth Overture From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat May 15 17:10:32 2004 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:10:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: <00a301c43a0f$6057be20$122687d9@jds> Message-ID: Jill Strobridge wrote: > diverging off the previous topic a bit - I was listening to a Chicago > Blues programme the other evening and a lady came onto the stage and > launched into a dynamic and intense blues track I didn't know the name > of BUT the bass intro and the riff underlying it .... the same intro and > riff underlying Orgone Accumulator. In fact the more I hear of blues > music the more I realise why I get drawn into (particularly the early) > Hawkwind tracks - that music underlies everything! > > Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues > albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... Artists I like - BB King, T-Bone Walker, Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters and Buddy Guy. From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sat May 15 18:03:35 2004 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 23:03:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: I lent the Space Ritual to someone years ago and they said Orgone Accumulator was a rip off of Booker T and the MGs "Green Onions". Same riff. I agree with him. I'm sure this has probably been mentioned on the list before.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues > Jill Strobridge wrote: > > diverging off the previous topic a bit - I was listening to a Chicago > > Blues programme the other evening and a lady came onto the stage and > > launched into a dynamic and intense blues track I didn't know the name > > of BUT the bass intro and the riff underlying it .... the same intro and > > riff underlying Orgone Accumulator. In fact the more I hear of blues > > music the more I realise why I get drawn into (particularly the early) > > Hawkwind tracks - that music underlies everything! > > > > Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues > > albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... > > > Artists I like - BB King, T-Bone Walker, Howlin Wolf, Muddy > Waters and Buddy Guy. > From dplaw at IC24.NET Sat May 15 18:07:29 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:07:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: i thought orgone accumulator was a direct rip off, well very similar to canned heats "on the road again", the thing is with a lot of thee old blues riffs is that they have been recycled on a number of occasions! cheers dave From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat May 15 18:23:33 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:23:33 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2004 7:04:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... Well, they're not 'live,' but I've got 'Robert Johnson King of the Delta Blues,' and several 'Best of' CDs of Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, and Leadbelly. All very good. Joe From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 16 00:39:55 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL "aLiEn DrEaM" bLaCkMaN) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:09:55 +0930 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: If one looks at music that way then all music is a "rip off" of something depending what you hear in the song or who is listening - some clown tried to tell me that psychedelic warlords (disapear in smoke) was a rip off of a Nirvana song until I mentioned the fact that the hawkwind track was recorded in the early 70's. and I tend to find that the average listener can't really differentiate one da-dada riff from another da-da-dada-dada riff even when each individual riff has its own distinctive da-da-da sound. and thats not even taking into account the melody or the lyric content which gives a song something differrent again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues > i thought orgone accumulator was a direct rip off, well very similar to > canned heats "on the road again", the thing is with a lot of thee old > blues riffs is that they have been recycled on a number of occasions! > cheers > > dave > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 16 03:39:14 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 03:39:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Atomic Bongload & Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (May 16, 2004):We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #5), and Drool Trough (show #10). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlist below. The Atomic Bongload (show #5) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we review at Aural Innovations. Liquid Visions - "Ebola-Monster" (from From The Cube) WE - "Cosmic Bound" (from Dinosauric Futurobic) Black Nasa - "Light" (from Deuce) Phased - "Anubia-Beyond The Point Of No Return" (from Music For Gentlemen) Shovelhead - "The Weight" (from Red Sky Horizon) Monster Magnet - "Ultimate Everything" (from Monolithic Baby!) 3Speed Automatic - "Walk On The Sun" (from NoMans Land) Radiopuhelimet - "Hein?kuu" (from T?n??n!) Linus Pauling Quartet - "La Tapatia" (from C6H8O6) Foe - "Myrmidon" (from The Combined Stupidity Of Spiteful Men) Kingston Wall - "Nepal" (from Kingston Wall I) Drool Trough (show #10) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Listen to today's show for the chance to win a free SACK TRICK promo sampler CD!!! H.R. Funk N' Puff - "Zoe" (from Songs From The Electric Greenwood) Utham - "So Mote It Be" (from s/t CDEP) Colin Clary and the Magogs - "I Only Give You Bad Advice Because I Love You" (from Her Life Of Crime) The Stoneage Hearts - "Wish You Were Mine" (from Turn On With The Stoneage Hearts) Hands Of Time - "Dementias Child" (from I Am A Hideous Monster) Green Circles - "Black Vinyl Heart" (from Brass Knobs, Bevelled Edges (And In 23 Different Positions) SummerRain - "Black-Eyed Gnome" (from Out of Chaos - "The Sublime") Nebula - "The Way To Venus" (from Atomic Ritual) Magic Cat - "Seline" (from Acoustic Demo) New Planet Trampoline - "Fishbone Song" (from The Curse of the New Planet Trampoline) Motherjane - "Walk On" (from Insane Biography) Sack Trick - "Penguins On The Moon" (from Penguins On The Moon) Chrome - "Firebomb" (from Anthology 1979-1983 / 3rd From The Sun) Plain Fade - "Trial Balloon" (from Datura/Trial Ballon single) Random Touch - "Slowing Down Time" (from A Parade Of Dusty Hobos) Kuma - "Agatha" (from The Moment Of Silence Before A Disaster) Highspire - "Vesperbell" (from Your Everything) Park Avenue Music - "The Mellow One" (from For Your Home Or Office) Stellastarr* - "No Weather" (from Stellastarr*) The Phasers - "Rotor" (from Universe Crawls EP) Radiant Republic Of Texas - "Sympathy For The Treble" (from Golden Gate Mistake) http://Aural-Innovations.com From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Sun May 16 07:20:27 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:20:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: <001c01c43aff$d63e86f0$33ca8890@DrSBlackman> Message-ID: I once wrote to the Hawkwind Feedback office when they were in west London saying that I thought that 'Time We Left This World Today' was surely influenced by the second movement of Beethoven's 7th symphony and what did they think. Steve Gilmore wrote back saying he/they hadn't listened to the Beethoven piece but said that nearly all music could be linked in some way whether as a conscious rip-off or a subliminal influence. Just look at the way the technical, heavy rock musicians such as Satriani, Vai, Vinnie Moore, Tony Macalpine et al have applied the form of baroque music to guitar music. Little or nothing is new under the sun. (Except Paranoia parts 1+2 and Electronic No.1). Paul. On Sunday, May 16, 2004, at 05:39 Europe/London, MiChAeL "aLiEn DrEaM" bLaCkMaN wrote: > If one looks at music that way then all music is a "rip off" of > something > depending what you hear in the song or who is listening - some clown > tried > to tell me that psychedelic warlords (disapear in smoke) was a rip off > of a > Nirvana song until I mentioned the fact that the hawkwind track was > recorded > in the early 70's. > and I tend to find that the average listener can't really > differentiate one > da-dada riff from another da-da-dada-dada riff even when each > individual > riff has its own distinctive da-da-da sound. and thats not even > taking into > account the melody or the lyric content which gives a song something > differrent again. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Law" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues > > >> i thought orgone accumulator was a direct rip off, well very similar >> to >> canned heats "on the road again", the thing is with a lot of thee old >> blues riffs is that they have been recycled on a number of occasions! >> cheers >> >> dave >> > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun May 16 10:46:03 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:46:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 06:07:29PM -0400, Dave Law wrote: => i thought orgone accumulator was a direct rip off, well very similar to => canned heats "on the road again" Canned Heat were, in turn, very much an homage to the blues boogie of John Lee Hooker. (Canned Heat even got to be Hooker's "backing band" on the _Hooker 'n' Heat_ album.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun May 16 13:11:44 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:11:44 +0200 Subject: Burg Herzberg In-Reply-To: <002b01c439cc$d4e956b0$9fe10352@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: Perfect. I'll be there as well !!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Nick Lee Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Burg Herzberg Me & Ian are coming, flights sorted tickets for festival yet to be bought. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 14 May 2004 16:38 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Burg Herzberg > > > Flight Navigation Vectors Now Maintained. > Ground Translation Now Awaits. > Personal Accreditation Status established (thanks Wilfried) > > So who else is coming? > > FoFP > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun May 16 13:39:12 2004 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: PowerWave USB audio interface Message-ID: This sounds pretty useful! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4969110/ A USB audio interface and amplifier, the PowerWave is basically an external digital sound card. No software is necessary to hook it up, just plug it into any USB port. It measures 5.75 by 3.75 by 0.9 inches and weighs 3 ounces or so. Hook up any microphone or line input to the PowerWave, and then go wild: Digitize your old record collection, tape your niece playing the piano, learn to speak Spanish. It's up to you. The PowerWave sells for $99. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun May 16 13:59:31 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:59:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" > i thought orgone accumulator was a direct rip off, well very similar to > canned heats "on the road again", which was apparently originally recorded by The Memphis Jug Band in the late 20s! > the thing is with a lot of these old > blues riffs is that they have been recycled on a number of occasions! I know - I didn't mean to say it was 'ripped off' I was more interested in discovering where the roots of the music style came from - all musical composition can be said to be derivative in some way - it's less a question of what you use, more how you use it. I was wondering what aspect catches my attention and I'm fairly sure it's the blues rhythms that do it - every time! Later in the programme the presenter was talking to a rap artist who had become really interested in music styles and tracing them back and who had then gone on to incorporate blues rhythms into his rap style. Now normally I don't bother with rap and wouldn't know one artist from another but when I *listened* to the beat underlying his rap I heard it - he had changed the tempo to make it more of a staccato beat but the underlying driving rhythm was clearly a blues track - and that was the hook that held your attention - probably completely subconsciously for many people - but it was effective! jill --------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun May 16 14:17:16 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:17:16 EDT Subject: HW: New Adrian Shaw Interview Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/04 10:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, youless at COX.NET writes: > Hi > > I've just added a new interview with Adrian Shaw to Stafarer's Hawkwind > Page. > > 1. Go to http://www.starfarer.net > 2. Click on the red "What's New" link near the top of the home page > 3. Click on the "Adrian Shaw Interview" link, in red. > > Cheers > > Steve thanks, steve. lately i've developed a greater appreciation of his work w/HW. before he was just whoever was playing bass at the time. but i've been listening much to Weird 3 a lot, the free festivals, and it's so great to just follow him throughout that whole set... wasn't it doug pearson who went against the grain and declared Ade his favorite HW bassist? it's clearer now... (though i picked up one of his solo albums a few years ago, and didn't care for it much...) chuck From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun May 16 15:22:37 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:22:37 +0200 Subject: test Message-ID: just testing From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun May 16 18:28:57 2004 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:28:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: <12c.41dc2773.2dd7f265@aol.com> Message-ID: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2004 7:04:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues > albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... > Well, they're not 'live,' but I've got 'Robert Johnson King of the Delta > Blues,' and several 'Best of' CDs of Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, and Leadbelly. > > All very good. Check out Albert King, Lightnin Hopkins, T-Bone Walker, Luther "Guitar Junior" Johnson (in Muddy Waters band in 70's), Big Bill Morganfield (Muddy Waters son), Rod Piazza (if you like harmonica), Koko Taylor, Gary Moore, Elmore James, Peter Green, Big Bill Broonzy (acoustic), Matt 'Guitar' Murphy, Sunnyland Slim, Otis Rush, Lonnie Brooks, Albert Collins, Little Walter, Billy Branch, Angela Strehli, Kenny 'Blue' Ray, Mike Morgan & the Crawl, Son Seals, The Nighthawks, Smokey Wilson, Byther Smith, Guy Davis, Monster Mike Welch, Bill Perry, and of course Paul Butterfield, John Mayall. Check allmusic.com for more info. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon May 17 10:37:36 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:37:36 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: name your best of... In-Reply-To: <200405160900.i4G902pF023554@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Seeing as how tBS' first best of (Wow, that reads oddly) is in the works, > what would be your top 12 brain surgeon songs? and what would you title it? > > "a baker's dozen of golden hits" > Most Romantic Place in the World > Medusa > Name your monster > 666 (devil got your mother) > Krakatoa > Hansel and Gretel > Kiss is a Promise > Rock and Roll is Dead > St. Vitus Dance > Donkey Show > My Civilization > Gimme Nothing (or On the Road Again) > Alpha and Omega (or Swamp Thing) > More than the truth > Overture > Off the top of my head, my top songs would be: My Civilization Name Your Monster Gimme Nothin' Time Will Take Care of You St. Vitus Dance Swamp Thing Dominance and Submission Overture Gun Operation Luv Whatever Works State of Emergency Bonus Track: Pete Bohovesky's Christmas Song Possible Titles: "Puberty is not an option" (Don't ask me why the f___ THAT came to me...) "Get Crunchy" "Rise and Reverberate" From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon May 17 11:03:00 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:03:00 +0100 Subject: OFF:from [AdrianBelewTribe] NEWS: Adrian & Porcupine Tree Message-ID: I know that this is likely to be of interest to some on here. >-----Original Message----- >To: AdrianBelew at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [AdrianBelewTribe] NEWS: Adrian & Porcupine Tree > >Adrian is currently in the studio adding his guitar to the new >Porcupine Tree record. You should hear Porcupine Tree. Very good >stuff... and soon, they will only be getting better - of course, >we're a little bias. ;) > > www.porcupinetree.com > www.adrianbelew.net In fact, the presence of Mr.Belew might even pique my interest in the new PT album... ChrisW From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon May 17 11:41:53 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:41:53 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: name your best of... Message-ID: Jason wrote: > Seeing as how tBS' first best of (Wow, that reads oddly) is in the works, > what would be your top 12 brain surgeon songs? and what would you title "Pick Your Brain" (In kinda/sorta chronological order) Naked if I Want To Language of Love Name Your Monster Time Will Take Care of You Medusa Kiss is a Promise St. Vitus Dance Donkey Show Baby Ice Dog Lost Operation Luv Overture Of course, I'd rather it be a 2 CD set with 30 songs.... Brian From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 17 13:24:39 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:24:39 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: name your best of... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040515074000.006913d8@pop.acmenet.net>; from js3619@ACMENET.NET on Sat, May 15, 2004 at 07:40:00AM -0400 Message-ID: On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 07:40:00AM -0400, Jason Scruton wrote: > Seeing as how tBS' first best of (Wow, that reads oddly) is in the works, > what would be your top 12 brain surgeon songs? and what would you title it? Al & Deb, congrats on the band's lasting long enough for this! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 17 14:29:17 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:29:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: <086F5233-A72B-11D8-B340-000A959BC38E@imrryr.karoo.co.uk>; from paul@IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK on Sun, May 16, 2004 at 12:20:27PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 12:20:27PM +0100, pauleatonjones wrote: > I once wrote to the Hawkwind Feedback office when they were in west > London saying that I thought that 'Time We Left This World Today' was > surely influenced by the second movement of Beethoven's 7th symphony Heh! Dunno about that (I can't bring the 7th to mind -- guess I don't know it as well as I thought), but there's a stock (read clich?) techno drum-machine riff that I was amused to trace back to The Sweet's "AC/DC", though played there by a real drummer of course. Imagine my astonishment at pulling out an old favourite, Beethoven's 6th, and hearing that same riff in the first movement -- only there it appears in the strings! (The riff in its techno version consists of the drum machine taking the lead for a bar, or is it two, of I guess they're 16th notes (Doug, can you help me here? :-), then a bar-long roll, then the drum machine cuts off suddenly while the rest of the instruments go on to do something else.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Mon May 17 19:25:00 2004 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:25:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and the Blues In-Reply-To: <00a301c43a0f$6057be20$122687d9@jds> Message-ID: Jill Strobridge wrote: >Looks like I'm going to have to chase down some live Chicago blues >albums. I don't suppose anyone has any recommendations..... > > Fathers and Sons by Muddy Waters and some of the youngsters he inspired. John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Tue May 18 17:02:12 2004 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:02:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: DFtR cover version Message-ID: I expect someone's already mentioned this but there is a storming version of DFtR on the latest album called Evil Star by Scandinavian band Wolf - possibly one of the best versions I have heard IMHO. The rest of the album is pretty good too - heavy rock in the Maiden/Priest/Sabbath vein. .......Charles the Grinning Boy. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue May 18 19:13:48 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 00:13:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet, other rubbish, usw... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:39:55 +0200, Henderson Keith > wrote: > > >P.P.S. The 25...Tab album from early MM days is definitely space-rock > >derived in character. Doug P. I think is the MM historian of note, so > >best ask him about the early daze. Wasn't there other cassette/vinyl or > >even pre-MM stuff done back then? > > - "Lizard Johnny" / "Freak Shop USA" 7" on Circuit Records > - demo cassette from the Circuit era (containing one of the 2 tracks, the > first MM version of "Brainstorm", and an early version of "TAB") > - "Murder" / "Tractor" 7" on Primo Scree/Caroline > - 12"/CD on Glitterhouse containing one track from the above 7" (both > tracks on the CD, I think), *remakes* of the two songs from the first 7", > plus an early version of "Nod Scene" (and one other 'Spine of God' track, > perhaps?) > - 'TAB ... 25' CD on Glitterhouse Just for completeness here... The Glitterhouse self-titled *CD* has tracklist as follows: Snake Dance [not the _Spine of God_ version, rougher and shorter] Tractor [I believe this is the same version as used _Tab... 25_] Nod Scene (from The Resin Scrapers) [as `Snake Dance'] Freak Shop USA Lizard Johnny Murder [see `Tractor'] My copy of _Tab... _ is on Caroline, and lists `Murder' as `Lord 13' and doesn't list `Tractor' at all though it's there on the end. > There was also a second demo cassette (I believe it contained Glitterhouse- > era recordings of several 'Spine of God' tracks), but I don't have that > one ... It might be cruel, but judging by the self-titled CD, it might not really live up to the _Spine of God_ versions. But then, what could? Yours, Jon ObLP: I. E. M. - _Arcadia Son_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From sebastian at WELTON.DE Wed May 19 16:29:11 2004 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:29:11 +0200 Subject: FW: Hawkwind, Acid Mothers Message-ID: Good for other stuff as well... http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/11281 MfG / Best Regards Sebastian Welton sebastian at welton.de www.welton.de 0171 8880522 From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 20 15:37:57 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:37:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: I hate doing this, but... It's Thursday. No traffic since Sunday, including a couple of my own posts from Monday that haven't come through. Let's see what happens to this one... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun May 23 13:55:56 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:55:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Les Braunstein interview! In-Reply-To: <40A8CE30.9080007@mitre.org> Message-ID: http://www.the-fuze.com/lesbraunstein.html From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon May 24 09:32:34 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:32:34 -0400 Subject: 24th of May - I'll Gather Up Your Reins In-Reply-To: <200405220900.i4M90397019911@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Happy Birthday to Albert T. Bouchard - Keep on rockin'! John From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 20:10:47 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:10:47 -0700 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet, other rubbish, usw... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00:13 19.05.04 +0100, you wrote: > Just for completeness here... > > The Glitterhouse self-titled *CD* has tracklist as follows: > >Snake Dance [not the _Spine of God_ version, rougher and shorter] >Tractor [I believe this is the same version as used _Tab... 25_] >Nod Scene (from The Resin Scrapers) [as `Snake Dance'] >Freak Shop USA >Lizard Johnny >Murder [see `Tractor'] > > My copy of _Tab... _ is on Caroline, and lists `Murder' as `Lord >13' and doesn't list `Tractor' at all though it's there on the end. > > > There was also a second demo cassette (I believe it contained Glitterhouse- > > era recordings of several 'Spine of God' tracks), but I don't have that > > one ... > > It might be cruel, but judging by the self-titled CD, it might not >really live up to the _Spine of God_ versions. But then, what >could? Yours, > Jon > >ObLP: I. E. M. - _Arcadia Son_ Oh Yes Doug and Keith, the first s/t Mini LP and "...Tab 25" are awesome... those two and the "Evil" EP and the "Spine Of God" CD/LP are probably the "essinshiul" MM... ..and Dave Wyndorf is a dead flying pig! -Christian From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 20:36:09 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. -Chr- (the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm Hawkwind - PXR5 Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live Hawkwind - Live '79 Hawkwind - Levitation Hawkwind - Sonic Attack Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind Hawkwind - Zones Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, "Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and "Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic "Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just as well along with it.) Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) Hawkwind - Out & Intake Hawkwind - Live Chronicles Hawkwind - Xenon Codex Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) Hawkwind - Electric Tepee Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, charity EP) Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone Hawkwind - Alien 4 Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) Hawkwind - Love In Space EP Hawkwind - Distant Horizons Hawkwind - In Your Area Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 (remastered) Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres tribute) Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan 12" LP) HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, Sweden) From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 20:50:27 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:50:27 -0700 Subject: OFF: Gong/Soft Machine Message-ID: I was just was at one of the local record stores here in Asker and there was a sale... 2 CD's for ca $12 and I got Gong - "Wingfull Of Eyes" and a Kevin Ayers compilation... and just last week I got "Soft Machine 3 & 4" and put the full price "Vol. 1 & 2" on hold (actually my fave SM release(s) which I listened to all of the winter 1996 when I lived in Oslo, though nobody here on BOC-L would beleive I do anything but lie about it would they as this list is full of enemies) , but "3 & 4" is a whole other game isn't it, much like "3rd". And I swear Norman Carl Odam aka Legendary Stardust Cowboy aka "Ledge" to his friends is not the only Ratledge there is... "Would the real Ratledge Stand Up In Praise Of Learning!" -Chr- NP: Entombed - "Morning Star" "the album about the story of how I beheaded my old mum as a rallycross driver in russia" From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 20:55:16 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:55:16 -0700 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040524173430.0094be70@mail.chello.no> Message-ID: Though I bought back "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" at 25% price off with a bum cheapo bin Stiff Little Fingers CD so I guess you can call me... The Kingpin! -The Kingpin At 17:36 24.05.04 -0700, you wrote: >I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the >trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. > >-Chr- >(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) > > >Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) >Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) >Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) >Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) >Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) >Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) >Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm >Hawkwind - PXR5 >Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On >Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live >Hawkwind - Live '79 >Hawkwind - Levitation >Hawkwind - Sonic Attack >Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques >Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind >Hawkwind - Zones >Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic >Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being >the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the >original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" >proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of >Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats >led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a >concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's >mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior >Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having >yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny >Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and >synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic >lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live >performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which >was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, >"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock >heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of >The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, >Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of >psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". >Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, >with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, >evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically >chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting >psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and >"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal >summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos >Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces >chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's >sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned >classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original >Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the >classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic >"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black >Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK >underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just >as well along with it.) >Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) >Hawkwind - Out & Intake >Hawkwind - Live Chronicles >Hawkwind - Xenon Codex >Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum >Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) >Hawkwind - Electric Tepee >Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, >charity EP) >Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) >Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live >Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone >Hawkwind - Alien 4 >Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) >Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) >Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) >Hawkwind - Love In Space EP >Hawkwind - Distant Horizons >Hawkwind - In Your Area >Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to >Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from >the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, >as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry >Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics >including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" >and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable >touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of >spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) >Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 >Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) >Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) >Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) >Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool >Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) >Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 >(remastered) >Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) >Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) >Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) >Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) >Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) >Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) >Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years >Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years >Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) >Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) >Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) >Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) >Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) >Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) >Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres tribute) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan >12" LP) >HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, >Sweden) From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 24 11:58:18 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:58:18 +0000 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Hi, If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? Eddie. >From: Christian >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant >Horizons" >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 > >I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the >trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. > >-Chr- >(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) > > >Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) >Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) >Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) >Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) >Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) >Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) >Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm >Hawkwind - PXR5 >Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On >Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live >Hawkwind - Live '79 >Hawkwind - Levitation >Hawkwind - Sonic Attack >Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques >Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind >Hawkwind - Zones >Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic >Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being >the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the >original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" >proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of >Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats >led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a >concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's >mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior >Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having >yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny >Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and >synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic >lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live >performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which >was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, >"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock >heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of >The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, >Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of >psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". >Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, >with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, >evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically >chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting >psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and >"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal >summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos >Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces >chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's >sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned >classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original >Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the >classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic >"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black >Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK >underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just >as well along with it.) >Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) >Hawkwind - Out & Intake >Hawkwind - Live Chronicles >Hawkwind - Xenon Codex >Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum >Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) >Hawkwind - Electric Tepee >Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, >charity EP) >Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) >Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live >Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone >Hawkwind - Alien 4 >Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) >Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) >Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) >Hawkwind - Love In Space EP >Hawkwind - Distant Horizons >Hawkwind - In Your Area >Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to >Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from >the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, >as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry >Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics >including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" >and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable >touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of >spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) >Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 >Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) >Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) >Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) >Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool >Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) >Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 >(remastered) >Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) >Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint >2CD) >Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) >Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) >Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) >Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) >Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) >Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years >Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years >Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) >Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) >Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) >Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) >Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) >Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) >Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres >tribute) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) >Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust >Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan >12" LP) >HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, >Sweden) From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 21:02:38 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:02:38 -0700 Subject: OFF: marillion in hello? hellblazer! Message-ID: I for some strange reason felt the urge to get Marillion's new "Marbles" CD and I can't figure out what they are singing about now. The old Fish stuff was better but ho-hum. Ho-Garth must be abit of a Ho for Garth Ennis or be the real Garth for Wayne. Looking forward to the new Hellblazer film- still conspiracy in Ulster i suppose. regards, MISTER HELLO! From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Mon May 24 21:06:22 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:06:22 -0700 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got my copy of 25 Years On (not the Hawklords Live) from Christopher Stier and it is not for sale because I threw it all away. :( all gone. - regards, the people under the Stiers (must be the Queers, or at least one of the Legendary Dots) At 15:58 24.05.04 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? > >Eddie. > > >>From: Christian >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant >>Horizons" >>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 >> >>I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the >>trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. >> >>-Chr- >>(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) >> >> >>Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) >>Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) >>Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) >>Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) >>Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) >>Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) >>Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >>Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm >>Hawkwind - PXR5 >>Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On >>Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live >>Hawkwind - Live '79 >>Hawkwind - Levitation >>Hawkwind - Sonic Attack >>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques >>Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind >>Hawkwind - Zones >>Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic >>Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being >>the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the >>original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" >>proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of >>Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats >>led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a >>concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's >>mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior >>Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having >>yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny >>Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and >>synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic >>lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live >>performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which >>was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, >>"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock >>heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of >>The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, >>Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of >>psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". >>Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, >>with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, >>evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically >>chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting >>psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and >>"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal >>summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos >>Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces >>chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's >>sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned >>classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original >>Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the >>classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic >>"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black >>Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK >>underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just >>as well along with it.) >>Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) >>Hawkwind - Out & Intake >>Hawkwind - Live Chronicles >>Hawkwind - Xenon Codex >>Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum >>Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) >>Hawkwind - Electric Tepee >>Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, >>charity EP) >>Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) >>Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live >>Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >>Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone >>Hawkwind - Alien 4 >>Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) >>Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) >>Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) >>Hawkwind - Love In Space EP >>Hawkwind - Distant Horizons >>Hawkwind - In Your Area >>Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to >>Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from >>the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, >>as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry >>Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics >>including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" >>and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable >>touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of >>spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) >>Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 >>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) >>Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) >>Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) >>Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool >>Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) >>Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 >>(remastered) >>Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) >>Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint >>2CD) >>Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) >>Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) >>Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) >>Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) >>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) >>Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years >>Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years >>Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) >>Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) >>Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) >>Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) >>Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) >>Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) >>Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres >>tribute) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust >>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan >>12" LP) >>HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, >>Sweden) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 24 12:13:06 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:13:06 +0100 Subject: Time Brothers DVD Message-ID: Word from Chronobrother Dave about the Space Ritual DVD: Dear All As it's about 2 months since the orders' deadline passed, I thought it was about time for an update. You'll be glad to know that we've not been idly sitting around during that time ? we have been extremely busy trying out all kinds of options in order to get the film onto Region-free DVD with menu options, which has been proving more difficult than you'd imagine for a 2 hour film. Just when we thought we had it in the bag, the trial disc would only play on Panasonic DVD players! Asking everyone to buy a Panasonic machine wasn't really on, so we had hit another brick wall. Having now exhausted all our ideas and worked methodically through screeds of options, we are now attempting to smash down those brick walls we were continuous running into, by sending the film off to a Somerset-based company to get a fully-indexed master done. If all goes according to plan we should get the all singing/dancing master back late next week, with copies following over the few weeks thereafter. Orders will be processed according to the date on which I received them from you, which seems the fairest way, over a period of several weeks. Those who ordered earliest will receive the first mail-outs, hopefully starting early in June, with the process continuing over the following few weeks until the whole job is done and all DVDs have been despatched. But, in the way of things, don't be altogether surprised if slippage occurs with this tight timescale! If all goes well, the next circular I issue will be to alert you all to expect a Recorded-Delivery DVD package coming your way soon. Best for now, Dave 24 May 2004 From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Tue May 25 08:51:00 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:51:00 EDT Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Actually i would like to hear your story of how you where made to trash your Hawkwind collection by Hells Angels. I know Hells Angels can be very brave when there is a gaggle of them as experienced @ the Stonehenge free festival. They had a law that any drugs could be sold except Heroin. I guy who tried to sell it ended up with his belongings burnt and beaten off the site. Heroin may seem to be evil but if i want to buy it what's it to do with anyone else. Heroin is a fairly safe drug its the rubbish that it gets cut with that makes it bad. And as for making you trash your Hawkwind albums, please tell us the story. Or did you make it up? Acid flash backs come to mind. Mike... In a message dated 24/05/04 16:41:41 GMT Daylight Time, christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO writes: > I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the > trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. > > -Chr- > (the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) > > > Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) > Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) > Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) > Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) > Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) > Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) > Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm > Hawkwind - PXR5 > Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On > Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live > Hawkwind - Live '79 > Hawkwind - Levitation > Hawkwind - Sonic Attack > Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques > Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind > Hawkwind - Zones > Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being > the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the > original release on the Flicking label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" > proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of > Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats > led by Baron Dave Brooke himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a > concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's > mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior > Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having > yet again teamed up with bassets Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny > Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Hue Lloyd Llangollen (Rocky Paths) and > synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic > line-up of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live > performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which > was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, > 'Live Chronicles." Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brooke > heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "chronicle of > The Black Sword" is que a varied effort as shown with the next track, > Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of > psychedelic, followed by a characteristic Llangollen piece, "Sea King". > Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, > with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a soaped up, > evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically > chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting > psychedelic ballad of Eric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and > "Arch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal > summoning the ditty and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos > Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces > chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Eric's > sacrifice to Arch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned > classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original > Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the > classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic > "Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black > Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "idea" wasn't dead afterall in the UK > underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just > as well along with it.) > Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) > Hawkwind - Out & Intake > Hawkwind - Live Chronicles > Hawkwind - Xenon Codex > Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum > Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) > Hawkwind - Electric Tepee > Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, > charity EP) > Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remises) > Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live > Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous > Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone > Hawkwind - Alien 4 > Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) > Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) > Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) > Hawkwind - Love In Space EP > Hawkwind - Distant Horizons > Hawkwind - In Your Area > Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to > Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from > the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, > as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry > Richards blaze through this quickies set containing old and new classics > including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" > and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable > touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of > spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) > Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 > Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) > Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) > Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) > Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool > Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) > Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 > (remastered) > Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) > Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) > Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint > 2CD) > Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) > Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) > Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) > Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) > Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) > Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years > Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years > Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) > Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) > Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) > Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) > Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) > Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) > Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres tribute) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan > 12" LP) > HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and darter live in Jonk?ping, Sweden > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue May 25 09:05:10 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:05:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy of the Rings Message-ID: This surprised me. I knew about Lemmy's interest in WWII, but I never thought his interests extended to mythical battles. Brian From: http://www.lordofthefans.net > Rock Legend Lemmy Kilmister of Mot?rhead Interviewed For Ringers: Lord > of the Fans! > Beverly Hills , CA -- MAY 24, 2004 > Singer/Bassist Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister of Mot?rhead granted an exclusive > interview to the producers of the upcoming feature documentary, > Ringers: Lord of the Fans. With razor sharp wit and outrageous humor, > Mr. Kilmister shared many thoughts and stories of being a Tolkien fan > living the rock n' roll life. Flying in the face of expectations, his > playful barbs struck a variety of targets from the worlds of both rock > and literature. From chstier at AOL.COM Tue May 25 11:10:14 2004 From: chstier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Couldn't of gotten it from me... I've only come across two copies of 25 Years On and both are safe with me. Unless there other Christopher Stiers in the Multiverse.... Do I know you? Chris On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:06:22 -0700, Christian wrote: >I got my copy of 25 Years On (not the Hawklords Live) from Christopher >Stier and it is not for sale because I threw it all away. :( all gone. - >regards, the people under the Stiers (must be the Queers, or at least one >of the Legendary Dots) > >At 15:58 24.05.04 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? >> >>Eddie. >> >> >>>From: Christian >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant >>>Horizons" >>>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 >>> >>>I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the >>>trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. >>> >>>-Chr- >>>(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) >>> >>> >>>Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) >>>Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >>>Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm >>>Hawkwind - PXR5 >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live >>>Hawkwind - Live '79 >>>Hawkwind - Levitation >>>Hawkwind - Sonic Attack >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques >>>Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind >>>Hawkwind - Zones >>>Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being >>>the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the >>>original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" >>>proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of >>>Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats >>>led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a >>>concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's >>>mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior >>>Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having >>>yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny >>>Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and >>>synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic >>>lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live >>>performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which >>>was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, >>>"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock >>>heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of >>>The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, >>>Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of >>>psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". >>>Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, >>>with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, >>>evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically >>>chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting >>>psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and >>>"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal >>>summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos >>>Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces >>>chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's >>>sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned >>>classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original >>>Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the >>>classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic >>>"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black >>>Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK >>>underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just >>>as well along with it.) >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) >>>Hawkwind - Out & Intake >>>Hawkwind - Live Chronicles >>>Hawkwind - Xenon Codex >>>Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum >>>Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) >>>Hawkwind - Electric Tepee >>>Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, >>>charity EP) >>>Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) >>>Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live >>>Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >>>Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone >>>Hawkwind - Alien 4 >>>Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) >>>Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space EP >>>Hawkwind - Distant Horizons >>>Hawkwind - In Your Area >>>Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to >>>Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from >>>the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, >>>as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry >>>Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics >>>including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" >>>and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable >>>touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of >>>spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) >>>Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) >>>Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) >>>Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) >>>Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 >>>(remastered) >>>Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) >>>Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint >>>2CD) >>>Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) >>>Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) >>>Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) >>>Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years >>>Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years >>>Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres >>>tribute) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan >>>12" LP) >>>HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, >>>Sweden) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue May 25 11:23:15 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:23:15 +0200 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour Message-ID: dates.... Anybody seen/going to see them? Anybody heard "The Whispering Wall"? Comments? Grakkl (FAA) 5/25: Pittsburgh, PA - Brew House Art Space 5/26: Cleveland, OH - Beachland Ballroom 5/28: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag 5/29: Toronto, ONT - Lee's Palace 5/30: Montreal, QUE - El Salon 6/01: Boston, MA - Middle East with Dresden Dolls (acoustic set) 6/02: New York, NY - BB King's 6/03: Washington, DC - Velvet Lounge 6/05: Charlotte, NC - Tremont Music Hall 6/06: Chapel Hill, NC - Room 4 6/08: Ft. Lauderdale, FL - Culture Room 6/09: Orlando, FL - The Social with Rasputina 6/10: St. Petersburg, FL - State Theatre with Rasputina 6/11: Atlanta, GA - Echo Lounge with Whitelodge 6/12: New Orleans, LA - Howlin' Wolf 6/13: Houston, TX - Engine Room 6/14: Austin, TX - Elysium 6/16: Tulsa, OK - Ikon 6/17: Dallas, TX - Gypsy Tea Room with A Tiger Named Lovesick 6/18: Oklahoma City, OK - The Green Door 6/19: Albuquerque, NM - Launch Pad with Random Access Memory 6/20: Phoenix, AZ - The Mason Jar 6/21: San Diego, CA - The Casbah 6/22: West Hollywood, CA - Troubadour 6/23: San Francisco, CA - Cafe du Nord with Big City Orchestra 6/24: San Francisco, CA - Cafe du Nord with Big City Orchestra 6/26: Portland, OR - Berbati's Pan 6/28: Vancouver, BC - Richard's On Richards 6/29: Seattle, WA - Chop Suey 7/01: Salt Lake City, UT - In The Venue 7/02: Denver, CO - Bluebird From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Tue May 25 20:35:56 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:35:56 -0700 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:10 25.05.04 -0400, you wrote: >Couldn't of gotten it from me... I've only come across two copies of 25 >Years On and both are safe with me. Unless there other Christopher Stiers >in the Multiverse.... > >Do I know you? It might have been another Christopher but I thought it was you. It was in 1996... "Hawklords 25 Years On"... in trade for something. I got a printout of the letter somewhere and I swear it was signed "Chris Stier" RU from New England area? thanks Chr. >Chris > >On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:06:22 -0700, Christian > wrote: > > >I got my copy of 25 Years On (not the Hawklords Live) from Christopher > >Stier and it is not for sale because I threw it all away. :( all gone. - > >regards, the people under the Stiers (must be the Queers, or at least one > >of the Legendary Dots) > > > >At 15:58 24.05.04 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? > >> > >>Eddie. > >> > >> > >>>From: Christian > >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>>Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's >including "Distant > >>>Horizons" > >>>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 > >>> > >>>I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in >the > >>>trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. > >>> > >>>-Chr- > >>>(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) > >>> > >>> > >>>Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) > >>>Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > >>>Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm > >>>Hawkwind - PXR5 > >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On > >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live > >>>Hawkwind - Live '79 > >>>Hawkwind - Levitation > >>>Hawkwind - Sonic Attack > >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques > >>>Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind > >>>Hawkwind - Zones > >>>Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being > >>>the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the > >>>original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" > >>>proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of > >>>Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star >Rats > >>>led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a > >>>concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's > >>>mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior > >>>Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. >Having > >>>yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny > >>>Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and > >>>synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic > >>>lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live > >>>performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 >which > >>>was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, > >>>"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking >Brock > >>>heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle >of > >>>The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, > >>>Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece >of > >>>psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". > >>>Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical >material, > >>>with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped >up, > >>>evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically > >>>chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting > >>>psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and > >>>"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal > >>>summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos > >>>Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces > >>>chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and >Elric's > >>>sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned > >>>classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original > >>>Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the > >>>classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's >classic > >>>"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black > >>>Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the >UK > >>>underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive >just > >>>as well along with it.) > >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) > >>>Hawkwind - Out & Intake > >>>Hawkwind - Live Chronicles > >>>Hawkwind - Xenon Codex > >>>Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum > >>>Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) > >>>Hawkwind - Electric Tepee > >>>Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, > >>>charity EP) > >>>Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) > >>>Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live > >>>Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous > >>>Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone > >>>Hawkwind - Alien 4 > >>>Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) > >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) > >>>Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno >remixes) > >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space EP > >>>Hawkwind - Distant Horizons > >>>Hawkwind - In Your Area > >>>Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to > >>>Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly >from > >>>the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind >numbers, > >>>as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and >Jerry > >>>Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics > >>>including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine >Street", "Alchemy" > >>>and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable > >>>touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of > >>>spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) > >>>Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 > >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) > >>>Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) > >>>Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) > >>>Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool > >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 > >>>(remastered) > >>>Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) > >>>Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) > >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition >(Voiceprint > >>>2CD) > >>>Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw >Fruit) > >>>Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) > >>>Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) > >>>Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) > >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years > >>>Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years > >>>Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres > >>>tribute) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations >(Flicknife) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan > >>>12" LP) > >>>HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, > >>>Sweden) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 25 11:54:18 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:54:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour Message-ID: I'm going to see the Dots on June 2nd BB Kings NYC. Should be getting the new one any day now. Anyone else going? Bill From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 25 13:03:34 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:03:34 +0100 Subject: Turner plays with Pink Fairies tribute band shock! Message-ID: Yes it's true - find out all aout it here RFM updates: Neil Innes (Monty Python) gig review - http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/neil-innes.html RFM "Out and about" - Silbury Hill protest and Pink Fairies tribute band gig - http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/welcome.html New album from T30 control - http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html About Real Festival Music: 1) Offer a central point where artists who perform at UK Festivals can showcase their music. RFM is dedicated to ensuring that the performers receive the majority of the money from the sale of each CD. This is of paramount importance to RFM because as a Festival Artist Judge Trev knows what it's like to see 'record companies' & 'Music Biz' people get rich off the backs of those who actually do the work. RFM sees itself as being of primary ethical importance to ensuring that Festival Artists are able to get their own music onto the 'world stage' & see the rewards of their labours. 2) Allow Festival Goers to find Music from Festival Artists. As the site expands there will be a 'Music By Festival' Section so that if you visit a festival, see a band/artist & think "Hey they're good" you can visit this site & check to see if they have music available. 3) Festival Reviews. Because RFM is run by Festival goers, we'll be at many festivals & will be writing reviews & posting photographs of each event shortly afterwards. This will aid those who haven't visited a particular festival before so they know what to expect & whether a festival is (for them) worth visiting at all. 4) People Contact. REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Tue May 25 15:17:40 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:17:40 -0600 Subject: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe I'll go the Albuquerque show. I know their name, but not familiar with their music. Would you recommend starting with either Shadow Weaver or Malachai Shadow Weaver Part 2? Mark -----Original Message----- Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour dates.... Anybody seen/going to see them? Anybody heard "The Whispering Wall"? Comments? Grakkl (FAA) 6/19: Albuquerque, NM - Launch Pad with Random Access Memory From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue May 25 17:08:56 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:08:56 -0400 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <9f.480ced9f.2de49b34@aol.com>; from GHawkwind63@AOL.COM on Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:51:00AM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:51:00AM -0400, Michael Gee wrote: > I know Hells Angels can be very brave > when there is a gaggle of them as experienced @ the Stonehenge free festival. > They had a law that any drugs could be sold except Heroin. I guy who tried to > ell it ended up with his belongings burnt and beaten off the site. Didn't want freelancers encroaching on their monopoly, I guess... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue May 25 18:54:22 2004 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:54:22 -0400 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It came from me. I traded it for a Motorpsycho cd. Chris Raymond -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chris Stier Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Couldn't of gotten it from me... I've only come across two copies of 25 Years On and both are safe with me. Unless there other Christopher Stiers in the Multiverse.... Do I know you? Chris On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:06:22 -0700, Christian wrote: >I got my copy of 25 Years On (not the Hawklords Live) from Christopher >Stier and it is not for sale because I threw it all away. :( all gone. - >regards, the people under the Stiers (must be the Queers, or at least one >of the Legendary Dots) > >At 15:58 24.05.04 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? >> >>Eddie. >> >> >>>From: Christian >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant >>>Horizons" >>>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 >>> >>>I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in the >>>trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. >>> >>>-Chr- >>>(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) >>> >>> >>>Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) >>>Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) >>>Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >>>Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm >>>Hawkwind - PXR5 >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live >>>Hawkwind - Live '79 >>>Hawkwind - Levitation >>>Hawkwind - Sonic Attack >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques >>>Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind >>>Hawkwind - Zones >>>Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being >>>the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the >>>original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" >>>proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of >>>Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats >>>led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a >>>concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's >>>mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior >>>Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having >>>yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny >>>Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and >>>synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic >>>lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live >>>performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which >>>was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, >>>"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock >>>heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of >>>The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, >>>Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of >>>psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". >>>Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, >>>with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, >>>evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically >>>chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting >>>psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and >>>"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal >>>summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos >>>Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces >>>chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's >>>sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned >>>classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original >>>Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the >>>classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic >>>"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black >>>Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK >>>underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just >>>as well along with it.) >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) >>>Hawkwind - Out & Intake >>>Hawkwind - Live Chronicles >>>Hawkwind - Xenon Codex >>>Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum >>>Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) >>>Hawkwind - Electric Tepee >>>Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, >>>charity EP) >>>Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) >>>Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live >>>Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >>>Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone >>>Hawkwind - Alien 4 >>>Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) >>>Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space EP >>>Hawkwind - Distant Horizons >>>Hawkwind - In Your Area >>>Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to >>>Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly from >>>the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind numbers, >>>as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and Jerry >>>Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics >>>including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine Street", "Alchemy" >>>and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable >>>touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of >>>spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) >>>Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) >>>Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) >>>Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) >>>Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 >>>(remastered) >>>Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) >>>Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint >>>2CD) >>>Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) >>>Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) >>>Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) >>>Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years >>>Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years >>>Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) >>>Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres >>>tribute) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan >>>12" LP) >>>HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, >>>Sweden) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed May 26 04:32:56 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:32:56 +0200 Subject: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour Message-ID: Mark asked... >Maybe I'll go the Albuquerque show. I know their name, but not familiar >with their music. Would you recommend starting with either Shadow Weaver or >Malachai Shadow Weaver Part 2? No. From what I remember (these CDs are still sitting in Pittsburgh, waiting for me to reclaim them some future day), these are not very exciting. LPD are a strange band...quite a lot of their 'music' is downtrodden, depressing, poetic ranting by Ka-Spel. But then much of the rest is wild, spooky, pulsating electronic madness that is really quite excellent. You kinda hafta sift through the chaff to find the gems IMHO. In recent years, their live shows have (seemingly) been more of the latter, which meant that they were really good, eg. the Perfect Mystery tour. Hopefully, they've kept up in this vein, though I haven't heard the new albums since 2000. So...if you can find any of these three, I would recommend... A Perfect Mystery (2000) Hallway of the Gods (1997) The Maria Dimension (1991) or as a good live album (with a few sound quality flaws, but otherwise)... Live at the Metro (1998, '99 release) Note that LPD has *the* most ridiculously confusing discography of *any* band that I've ever seen. Stuff that originally came out on cassette/LP in the early 80s has been repackaged in small bits, retitled, rereleased in other strange countries. And they've been continually doing this "Chemical Playschool" series (that I think started out as 10" EPs), I think they're up to 13 or so...and these again have been gathered up in 100 different ways onto CD. And also a 'song' series called "Premonition," which is somewhere in the 20s. I have no idea the story/idea behind these. A long time ago, I put together a list of what was the main core of studio albums (maybe I even posted it here, so an archive search might find it), which was mainly for myself in order to avoid buying the same thing over and over again. HW may have a larger number of releases, but LPD outdoes them in terms of complexity IMHO. The three albums I list above are all 'self-contained' and without ambiguity. And all have a 'spacier' feel without so much Ka-spel ranting. Good luck, and I definitely recommend the show - LPD are very much different than HW, but appeal to the same senses Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Trying to catch up with the discography, I see albums entitled "All the King's Horses" and "All the King's Men" both from 2002 and both separate track lists. I guess this is a 'double' CD release in two parts? Just to make it harder to follow?! Other than the brand new one (Whispering Wall), these two are the only other 'new' full-length studio ones since "Perfect Mystery"? From cosmonaut at ORANGE.NET Wed May 26 04:55:25 2004 From: cosmonaut at ORANGE.NET (Spacelard Moothafarkar) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:55:25 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Message-ID: Hawkwind, Yeah! Whoop!!!! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 26 06:24:33 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:24:33 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Tue, 25 May 2004 17:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:51:00AM -0400, Michael Gee wrote: > > I know Hells Angels can be very brave when there is a gaggle of them > > as experienced @ the Stonehenge free festival. They had a law that > > any drugs could be sold except Heroin. I guy who tried to ell it > > ended up with his belongings burnt and beaten off the site. The way I heard it, Release asked them to ask the heroin dealer to leave. He declined and they dragged his car to the gate and set it on fire. Unfortunately the more impressionable youth attending the festival got enthusiastic about the pyromania and started nicking cars from the local village and setting fire to them. This, a plague of nicking from local shops, and the fact that Stonehenge was about to make it's 12th year and qualify as a "tradition" was a big part of the reason the riot cops were sent to stop the 1985 one. I had a great time in '84 but the mood had absolutely changed that year and trouble was very definately coming. FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 26 07:01:31 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:01:31 +0000 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: That memory sounds about right to me too Mike, it was my first and last Stonehenge appearance and I remember it as you stated. Eddie. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including >"Distant Horizons" >Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:24:33 +0100 > >Eric Siegerman writes: > > > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 08:51:00AM -0400, Michael Gee wrote: > > > > I know Hells Angels can be very brave when there is a gaggle of them > > > as experienced @ the Stonehenge free festival. They had a law that > > > any drugs could be sold except Heroin. I guy who tried to ell it > > > ended up with his belongings burnt and beaten off the site. > >The way I heard it, Release asked them to ask the heroin dealer to >leave. He declined and they dragged his car to the gate and set it on >fire. Unfortunately the more impressionable youth attending the festival >got enthusiastic about the pyromania and started nicking cars from the >local village and setting fire to them. This, a plague of nicking from >local shops, and the fact that Stonehenge was about to make it's 12th >year and qualify as a "tradition" was a big part of the reason the riot >cops were sent to stop the 1985 one. > >I had a great time in '84 but the mood had absolutely changed that year >and trouble was very definately coming. > >FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 26 09:03:49 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:03:49 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: eddie jobson's message of Wed, 26 May 2004 11:01:31 +0000 Message-ID: eddie jobson writes: > That memory sounds about right to me too Mike, it was my first and last > Stonehenge appearance and I remember it as you stated. Yeah. In fact while I was at Stonehenge festivals I usually went around visiting and sometimes staying at the local Peace Camps (yeh, yeah, my politics were a little different when I was an impressionable young lad). I also packed some straight gear in which I'd go to the local pubs in disguise to get some proper beer and get a shit and a shave in relatively sanitary conditions. I also got a chance to chat to the locals. By and large, up until 1983, there were mainly the blue rinse folks who'd have hated the festival under any conditions who were complaining. Some of the pubs refused to allow festivalers in but that was about the extent of the hostility. In 1984 every local pub had banned festivalers and "No Travellers" signs were on all the pubs. The local shops were also putting up signs. I was told this was because of a veritable crimewave of theft. One fireman I'd talked to had heard that 63 cars had been nicked in the local area. It was pretty obvious that something was going to happen. Thatcher being in power during a summer where "Traveller" trouble was seemingly everywhere just added to the fun. That the following year at Glastonbury there was similar nonsense (remember the burned out van in the lake of mud at what's now the Circus Field?) didn't help at all. I got back to Stonehenge in 1987 and even saw the sunrise from inside (broke into the cop compound and persuaded some aussie druids into smuggling me in on their bus and dodged the riot cops' sweep the next morning because I had a hotel room booked in Amesbury). Chatting to the locals over breakfast, they were heartily pissed off at the cops for flying helicopters all night for a month and causing general inconvenience with roadblocks. The sweep that I missed in fact walked everyone 9 miles out of the county, irrespective of where vehicles, and in one case even pets, were. I did miss what sounded like a good party in Cholderton woods though, which is where they all ended up. I tried to make Glastonbury by bicycle that day, but all the hassles at roadblocks prevented us getting there. They were fine times though. Things just haven't been nearly as weird at festivals since Stonehenge. IIRC (and I had had some cider again) Hawkwind had tried to set up on the back road from Amesbury that year. They were getting cleared out by the cops when we passed. FoFP From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed May 26 09:48:35 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:48:35 -0600 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <200405261303.i4QD3nWx004102@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: OK, I'll ask. Who are "the blue rinse folks?" Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 26 10:10:39 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:10:39 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Mark Licht's message of Wed, 26 May 2004 07:48:35 -0600 Message-ID: Mark Licht writes: > OK, I'll ask. Who are "the blue rinse folks?" Conservative old ladies from suburbia. The "blue rinse" is from the treatment they get at their hairdresser. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed May 26 11:52:51 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL 'aLiEn DrEaM' bLaCkMaN) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:22:51 +0930 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Sounds like good fun ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" > eddie jobson writes: > > > That memory sounds about right to me too Mike, it was my first and last > > Stonehenge appearance and I remember it as you stated. > > Yeah. In fact while I was at Stonehenge festivals I usually went around > visiting and sometimes staying at the local Peace Camps (yeh, yeah, my > politics were a little different when I was an impressionable young > lad). I also packed some straight gear in which I'd go to the local pubs > in disguise to get some proper beer and get a shit and a shave in > relatively sanitary conditions. I also got a chance to chat to the > locals. > > By and large, up until 1983, there were mainly the blue rinse folks > who'd have hated the festival under any conditions who were complaining. > Some of the pubs refused to allow festivalers in but that was about the > extent of the hostility. In 1984 every local pub had banned festivalers > and "No Travellers" signs were on all the pubs. The local shops were > also putting up signs. I was told this was because of a veritable > crimewave of theft. One fireman I'd talked to had heard that 63 cars had > been nicked in the local area. It was pretty obvious that something was > going to happen. Thatcher being in power during a summer where > "Traveller" trouble was seemingly everywhere just added to the fun. > That the following year at Glastonbury there was similar nonsense > (remember the burned out van in the lake of mud at what's now the Circus > Field?) didn't help at all. > > I got back to Stonehenge in 1987 and even saw the sunrise from inside > (broke into the cop compound and persuaded some aussie druids into > smuggling me in on their bus and dodged the riot cops' sweep the next > morning because I had a hotel room booked in Amesbury). Chatting to the > locals over breakfast, they were heartily pissed off at the cops for > flying helicopters all night for a month and causing general > inconvenience with roadblocks. The sweep that I missed in fact walked > everyone 9 miles out of the county, irrespective of where vehicles, and > in one case even pets, were. I did miss what sounded like a good party > in Cholderton woods though, which is where they all ended up. I tried > to make Glastonbury by bicycle that day, but all the hassles at > roadblocks prevented us getting there. > > They were fine times though. Things just haven't been nearly as weird at > festivals since Stonehenge. > > IIRC (and I had had some cider again) Hawkwind had tried to set up on > the back road from Amesbury that year. They were getting cleared out by > the cops when we passed. > > FoFP > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 26 13:14:17 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:14:17 EDT Subject: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour Message-ID: Just listened to 1/2 the The Whispering Wall. As good as Perfect Mystery so far. Just what weve come to expect from the Dots..dark songs with great electronics..Knight, Ka-spel, and Hornblower at top of their game, who's goin to the NYC show on June 2 ? Bill From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed May 26 13:17:08 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:17:08 +0200 Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer Message-ID: UFO: American Tour Cancelled - Apr. 16, 2004 UFO's American tour has been officially cancelled. Dear Purchasers: Today, the U.S. Embassy in London refused Phil Mogg, UFO's lead singer, a Work Permit Visa. As you may know, without a Work Permit Visa, no non-American is able to work (i.e. performing a commercial concert) in the United States. This seriously impacts our upcoming U. S. tour (April 22 through May 16, 2004) The band members all applied for their Work Permits (as usual) several weeks before the U. S. tour was to begin. Their Work Permits were approved and ISSUED on March 9, 2004 by the Bureau Of Citizenship and Immigration Services, located in the United States. Due to the new immigration and Work Permit laws, it is now also necessary for the applicant to attend a personal interview, in his home country, at the U.S. Embassy. During Phil's interview, today, in London, England, his name turned up in the government computer. The comment was that 'at some time in the past' his finger prints were taken while in the USA. When, where and why was not disclosed. It is true, Phil's finger prints were taken in the USA 24 years ago (!!) in Buffalo, New York. The Immigration Authority did not think, at that time, his Visa was adequate so this fingerprinting occurred. His Visa was then reissued, straight away, and everything was in order. During the intervening 24 years, Phil has returned to the USA 12 times on Work and Visitors Visas. Unfortunately, the only thing that matters now is that finger prints were taken. Under current immigration law, whether impacted by the war or not, a person having been finger printed promptly ceases the Visa clearance process. Finger prints now have to be retaken from Phil. They are sent to the FBI and, according to the information we have been given, only when the FBI gives their approval, will it be possible for Phil to acquire a Work Permit Visa. This procedure, the Embassy advises, can take from 2 to 12 weeks. The band is, therefore, forced to postpone its tour until this matter is resolved. We all respect that the United States must protect itself. We will, of course, cooperate. We are, however, puzzled and very perplexed at this unhappy last minute surprise. We hope, with all our hearts, that you will understand and join with us in the rescheduling process. Sincerely, Peter Knorn (UFO management) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ummm...I have this funny feeling, that if HW were ever to consider touring the US again, there might be some...problems. I mean, if a total "non-issue" fingerprinting gets one denied a visa, such that it could take months to finally get permission, what would happen with Hawkwind?! I mean, Ron is no longer with the band, but then Dave didn't get in for Strange Daze '99 either. And I remember Simon House had some sort of problem, didn't he? And then the LAX issue, on the way to Australia a couple years ago (forgot what that was about). And this was all *before* 9/11! And I've read recent articles in science journals that tell horror stories about graduate students (from all sorts of countries, many having no relationship whatsoever to islamic extremism) not being able to return to the US to finish their graduate studies due to some ridiculous border screening. And new prospective students are finding it so difficult right now to get approved to enter the US, that they're deciding it's not worth it and going to school in some other country. Ha. The US is likely to stupidly ruin the great advantage they've had in science/technology/innovation ever since, what 1938?, if they keep this up. And what happens if American researchers start actually *leaving* the country? Imagine that! :) Nah...never happen. But I wonder when the Sharon-style wall will start to go up along the Canadian border? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. UFO '04 seems to be Mogg, Way, Jason Bonham, Vinnie Moore (ex-Alice Cooper), and Paul Raymond. Michael Schenker has again split, which is not so surprising. I missed them here in Switzerland, 'cause I was in the US, ironically enough. (If you're listening Jerry K., you should note that Pete Way lives in Columbus, and I see that he's been doing solo acoustic shows at Andy's Treehouse in recent days!) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed May 26 13:32:52 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL 'aLiEn DrEaM' bLaCkMaN) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:02:52 +0930 Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer Message-ID: do you mean 2005? April 2004 was last month or am I lost in a time warp :-) ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:47 AM Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer > UFO: American Tour Cancelled - Apr. 16, 2004 > > UFO's American tour has been officially cancelled. > > Dear Purchasers: > Today, the U.S. Embassy in London refused Phil Mogg, UFO's lead singer, a > Work Permit Visa. As you may know, without a Work Permit Visa, no > non-American is able to work (i.e. performing a commercial concert) in the > United States. This seriously impacts our upcoming U. S. tour (April 22 > through May 16, 2004) > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed May 26 13:40:48 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:40:48 +0200 Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer Message-ID: MB asks... >do you mean 2005? No. >April 2004 was last month or am I lost in a time warp :-) You might note that I am not Peter Knorn, manager of UFO, and therefore I do not have the authority to put out press releases about UFO's activities. However, I do have the authority to surf the internet and find news items about bands I occasionally listen to, but I don't often do this for *every* single band I like *every* single day. So that when there's a 'news' item released on April 16, 2004, I might not actually swing by and read it until some weeks later, in this case, five. Now, back to my time warp...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. You should thank me for *not* posting the tour dates, that even if they weren't cancelled, would already be over anyhow. > UFO: American Tour Cancelled - Apr. 16, 2004 > > UFO's American tour has been officially cancelled. > > Dear Purchasers: > Today, the U.S. Embassy in London refused Phil Mogg, UFO's lead singer, a > Work Permit Visa. As you may know, without a Work Permit Visa, no > non-American is able to work (i.e. performing a commercial concert) in the > United States. This seriously impacts our upcoming U. S. tour (April 22 > through May 16, 2004) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed May 26 13:51:26 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL 'aLiEn DrEaM' bLaCkMaN) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:21:26 +0930 Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer Message-ID: its cool dude. I was just confused as my brain is rather addled at this hour. Another round barkeep!!! barrrchhhhhhhhhhh After I posted my reply then my brain worked and I figured it was a post of news of some interest. (I think that sentence makes sence..) anyway.. Thank you for sharing it - very interesting and rather crappy for the band member. Immigration regulations can be so damn lame.. but fortunatly I haven't had any personal experiences like that myself (knock on wood)**taps on skull** cheerio! ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer > MB asks... > > >do you mean 2005? > > No. > > >April 2004 was last month or am I lost in a time warp :-) > > You might note that I am not Peter Knorn, manager of UFO, and > therefore I do not have the authority to put out press releases > about UFO's activities. However, I do have the authority to > surf the internet and find news items about bands I occasionally > listen to, but I don't often do this for *every* single band I > like *every* single day. So that when there's a 'news' item > released on April 16, 2004, I might not actually swing by and > read it until some weeks later, in this case, five. > > Now, back to my time warp...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. You should thank me for *not* posting the tour dates, that > even if they weren't cancelled, would already be over anyhow. > > > UFO: American Tour Cancelled - Apr. 16, 2004 > > > > UFO's American tour has been officially cancelled. > > > > Dear Purchasers: > > Today, the U.S. Embassy in London refused Phil Mogg, UFO's lead singer, a > > Work Permit Visa. As you may know, without a Work Permit Visa, no > > non-American is able to work (i.e. performing a commercial concert) in the > > United States. This seriously impacts our upcoming U. S. tour (April 22 > > through May 16, 2004) From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Wed May 26 14:01:44 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:01:44 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ladies of a 'certain' age who put a coloured rinse(dye) in their hair, usually blue, sometimes pink. On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, at 14:48 Europe/London, Mark Licht wrote: > OK, I'll ask. Who are "the blue rinse folks?" > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including > "Distant Horizons" > > > FoFP > From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed May 26 14:10:04 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:10:04 -0600 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <200405261410.i4QEAd5V008127@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ahhh, the old blue hair & tennis shoe set, as we say over here. Thanks for the clarification. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:11 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Mark Licht writes: > OK, I'll ask. Who are "the blue rinse folks?" Conservative old ladies from suburbia. The "blue rinse" is from the treatment they get at their hairdresser. FoFP From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Wed May 26 14:23:04 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:23:04 EDT Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: In a message dated 26/05/04 16:53:39 GMT Daylight Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > Well if you liked taking acid and or mushrooms smoking and or eating plenty > of good hash and watching and listening to Hawkwind it was great fun. I > personally did not find it at all intimidating. Hawkwind played a good set on > solstice evening, even if Nik hogged the show and Alan looked a slight bit > nervous as i think it was his first Hawk gig. Then as night became morning and a > lovely sunrise started Hawkwind took to the stage once again to play spaced out > noise like Stonehenge decoded. I did want to go back to the site and to the > stage to see H/W but decided to stay in the circle of Stonehenge with H/W > noises blowing softly past me. They where the days. > Does anyone remember the next year seeing Hawkwind playing against a > travellers bus. We tried to get to Stonehenge but ended up at the "White Horse." From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 26 15:48:10 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:48:10 -0400 Subject: OFF:/ON: HW: The War on Tour-rer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 07:17:08PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: => And I've read recent articles in science journals that tell horror stories => about graduate students (from all sorts of countries, many having no => relationship whatsoever to islamic extremism) not being able to return to => the US to finish their graduate studies due to some ridiculous border => screening. Not to mention the gubbins that was in place for quite a while whereby students here from "certain countries" would have to travel up to Northern Virginia to report for "routine questioning" upon returning to the US after foreign travel. Failure to do so within a certain time period would result in loss of student status. I never had to attend one of these, being from good ol' Blighty (home of the shoe-bomber), but I did get talking to a lad who did when I was queuing up for my Sevis mass-processing. He said it was a stupid waste of time. They'd ask the same inane questions every visit. Eventually he got fed up, so when they asked him the name of his father, he'd say, "he's *still* called such and such," or "yes, I'm still from so and so" as if such personal details would be subject to a lot of change. :-) Of course, the worst of it was the student got to foot the bill for travelling up there and associated accommodation... => And new prospective students are finding it so difficult right => now to get approved to enter the US, that they're deciding it's not worth it => and going to school in some other country. Ha. The US is likely to => stupidly ruin the great advantage they've had in => science/technology/innovation ever since, what 1938?, if they keep this up. A friend who read Wen Ho Lee's book told me that apparently a boycott against working in the US National Laboratories was organised by Chinese students, postdocs, and researchers. By all accounts it was rather successful, and revealed how dependent the US is on cheap foreign brain power. BTW, given that tourists will be (are) routinely fingerprinted upon entry into the USA, does this mean it will be easier or harder for UFO to get work permits to gig in the USA in future? ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu May 27 05:53:56 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:53:56 +0100 Subject: Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Y'all, When we ladies mature if we do not go 'silver grey' naturally (normally associated with 'darker' hair colours) then the 'colour' just fades from the hair and can cause the skin's complexion to seem drained and sallow. A counter measure to this is to die the hair 'blue' - thus causing not only the skin to contrast & look pinker and healthier..but also it tends to attract aliens (who relate!). The correct term for this group is the 'Blue Rinse Brigade" Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 27 06:17:07 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:17:07 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Michael Gee's message of Wed, 26 May 2004 14:23:04 EDT Message-ID: Michael Gee writes: > In a message dated 26/05/04 16:53:39 GMT Daylight Time, > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > Well if you liked taking acid and or > > mushrooms smoking and or eating plenty of good hash and watching and > > listening to Hawkwind it was great fun. I personally did not find > > it at all intimidating. Hawkwind played a good set on solstice > > evening, even if Nik hogged the show That and the sound wasn't loud enough, so the crowd kept chanting "Louder". I got involved in looking for a lady's lost contact lens in the grass, and rounding up more torches to do same. > > and Alan looked a slight bit > > nervous as i think it was his first Hawk gig. Then as night became > > morning and a lovely sunrise started Hawkwind took to the stage once > > again to play spaced out noise like Stonehenge decoded. I did want > > to go back to the site and to the stage to see H/W but decided to > > stay in the circle of Stonehenge with H/W noises blowing softly past > > me. Yep, I remember that most pleasant morning. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu May 27 06:36:01 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL 'aLiEn DrEaM' bLaCkMaN) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:06:01 +0930 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: you luckay luckay - a word has yet to be invented as to how luckay you are..... sounds absolutley grand to me. ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" > Michael Gee writes: > > > In a message dated 26/05/04 16:53:39 GMT Daylight Time, > > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > > > > Well if you liked taking acid and or > > > mushrooms smoking and or eating plenty of good hash and watching and > > > listening to Hawkwind it was great fun. I personally did not find > > > it at all intimidating. Hawkwind played a good set on solstice > > > evening, even if Nik hogged the show > > That and the sound wasn't loud enough, so the crowd kept chanting > "Louder". I got involved in looking for a lady's lost contact lens in > the grass, and rounding up more torches to do same. > > > > and Alan looked a slight bit > > > nervous as i think it was his first Hawk gig. Then as night became > > > morning and a lovely sunrise started Hawkwind took to the stage once > > > again to play spaced out noise like Stonehenge decoded. I did want > > > to go back to the site and to the stage to see H/W but decided to > > > stay in the circle of Stonehenge with H/W noises blowing softly past > > > me. > > Yep, I remember that most pleasant morning. > > FoFP From david.dobbie at BT.COM Thu May 27 10:45:54 2004 From: david.dobbie at BT.COM (David Dobbie) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:45:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: HIya All Does any one know if either of these are available I live in England or are they considered beyond the pale under the 'trading ban'? The Elf & The Hawk The Hawkwind Connection ( Robert Calvert \ Michael Moorcock ) I am interested in the Moorcock stuff really Love and Pax Dobbie david.dobbie at bt.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 27 12:43:38 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:43:38 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <40B5C82E.16352.86C47D@localhost>; from maxine.wesley@PORT.AC.UK on Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:53:56AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:53:56AM +0100, Maxine Wesley wrote: > A counter measure to this is to die the hair 'blue' If a woman has blue hair she's either over 70 or under 25 ... it's only us in-betweens that see anything weird about it :-) (It's easy to tell which group she's in: just count the piercings.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 27 12:46:04 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: <001101c443d6$688fbf90$af0a3dcb@DrBlackman>; from michael_1968@OZEMAIL.COM.AU on Thu, May 27, 2004 at 08:06:01PM +0930 Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 08:06:01PM +0930, MiChAeL 'aLiEn DrEaM' bLaCkMaN wrote: > you luckay luckay - a word has yet to be invented as to how luckay you > are..... I think the word is "bastards" :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu May 27 12:47:55 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:47:55 +0200 Subject: Moorcock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Elf & The Hawk is an official release from Black Widow Records in Italy (also a Hawkfan by the way) and you should contact Andy at CDServices.Maybe he has some in stock still. There is a cd and a 2lp who differs from the cd. The Hawkwind connection is a dodgy cdr. If you're searching for something rare,you should try to find the limited 500 copy only 7" of "Brothel In Rosenstrasse" and it's signed by Michael Moorcock (mine is no.252,and no I don't sell it) Also the lp "New World's Fair" is rare (try to find a copy,if any,with the inner sleeve) greetings filip -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens David Dobbie Verzonden: donderdag 27 mei 2004 16:46 Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Onderwerp: HW: Moorcock HIya All Does any one know if either of these are available I live in England or are they considered beyond the pale under the 'trading ban'? The Elf & The Hawk The Hawkwind Connection ( Robert Calvert \ Michael Moorcock ) I am interested in the Moorcock stuff really Love and Pax Dobbie david.dobbie at bt.com From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu May 27 14:26:19 2004 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:26:19 -0400 Subject: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour In-Reply-To: <134.2f922095.2de62a69@aol.com> from "Stewartbas@AOL.COM" at May 26, 2004 01:14:17 PM Message-ID: >Just listened to 1/2 the The Whispering Wall. As good as Perfect Mystery so >far. Just what weve come to expect from the Dots..dark songs with great >electronics..Knight, Ka-spel, and Hornblower at top of their game, who's goin to the >NYC show on June 2 ? >Bill Toying with going with my wife ... JB From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed May 26 16:16:10 2004 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:16:10 +0100 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: Hi, Hence, ICU's chirpy little ditty "blue-rinse haggard robot", about a certian Mrs T, I believe. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: "pauleatonjones" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" > Ladies of a 'certain' age who put a coloured rinse(dye) in their hair, > usually blue, sometimes pink. > On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, at 14:48 Europe/London, Mark Licht wrote: > > > OK, I'll ask. Who are "the blue rinse folks?" > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including > > "Distant Horizons" > > > > > > FoFP > > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Thu May 27 16:52:25 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:52:25 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: michael moorcock has new worlds fair on his website to download as mp3's colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Moorcock > The Elf & The Hawk is an official release from Black Widow Records in Italy > (also a Hawkfan by the way) and you should contact Andy at CDServices.Maybe > he has some in stock still. > There is a cd and a 2lp who differs from the cd. > > The Hawkwind connection is a dodgy cdr. > > If you're searching for something rare,you should try to find the limited > 500 copy only 7" of "Brothel In Rosenstrasse" and it's signed by Michael > Moorcock (mine is no.252,and no I don't sell it) > > Also the lp "New World's Fair" is rare (try to find a copy,if any,with the > inner sleeve) > > greetings > filip > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens David Dobbie > Verzonden: donderdag 27 mei 2004 16:46 > Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Onderwerp: HW: Moorcock > > > HIya All > > Does any one know if either of these are available I live in England > or are they considered beyond the pale under the 'trading ban'? > > The Elf & The Hawk > The Hawkwind Connection ( Robert Calvert \ Michael Moorcock ) > > I am interested in the Moorcock stuff really > > Love and Pax > > Dobbie > david.dobbie at bt.com > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 27 17:35:51 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:35:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: was Monster Magnet, now HRGiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Nick Medford wrote: > The Necronomicon (book of dead names) is a fictitious "ancient manuscript" > dreamed up by HP Lovecraft and often mentioned in his overheated purple > prose short stories (there's a few stories by him I really like, but > generally there's just too much of the Terrible Old Ones waving their > Hideous Slimy Tentacles around, usually under the light of a Gibbous Moon > during a Night of Sickening Dread.. you get the picture). I have no idea > who JP Lovecraft is/was and suspect that was a misprint or other error. > > The kind of people that have difficulty distinguishing fantasy and reality > often have a particular enthusiasm for Lovecraft, and may claim that his > stories were based on another plane of reality that revealed itself to him > in his dreams, and that the Necronomicon really exists, and sundry other > foolish things. And thus Nick reveals which conspiracy he's part of! Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Live Chronicles_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 27 18:35:07 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:35:07 +0100 Subject: BOC in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Chris Allen wrote: > Does anyone have contact details for the three venues BOC are playing > in the UK in June - the Astoria in London, the Brook in Southampton or > the Robin2 in Wolverhampton, so I can see about buying tickets & where > the nearest airports are? Somewhat unexpectedly, I actually have money to go to some gigs again; who's going to this one, and shall we as is traditional meet at the Old Angel? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 27 18:45:11 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:45:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour Shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Nick Medford wrote: > OK, so Mr Wright is apparently a nice bloke, and clearly he's a genuine HW > fan, fair enough. And HW's public profile is now very low, the cult > following of the 70s and 80s having dwindled away to a large extent. So HW > basically need all the publicity they can get, and having a "celebrity fan" > presents some opportunities for that. However- this overdone "Matthew > Wright connection", and the way it's being milked, makes me cringe. Sorry > about that. But I still hope the single does well! I think there's an important first step here, that of actually releasing something, which would be a real help with Hawkwind's public profile just now. Sorry, this is not news, I realise, yours, Jon P.S. I do realise that `releasing something' is not actually the first step, as the last single also only made it to radio promo of course. This time, we haven't even got that far five months after hawkwind.com originally told us to expect it. Not Rik's fault of course; garbage in, garbage out... -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu May 27 18:56:49 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:56:49 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: We can get Elf and Hawk on vinyl and CD - e mail me at agcdser at aol.com and I can gfive you details. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dobbie To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: HW: Moorcock > HIya All > > Does any one know if either of these are available I live in England > or are they considered beyond the pale under the 'trading ban'? > > The Elf & The Hawk > The Hawkwind Connection ( Robert Calvert \ Michael Moorcock ) > > I am interested in the Moorcock stuff really > > Love and Pax > > Dobbie > david.dobbie at bt.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 27 20:07:35 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 01:07:35 +0100 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness In-Reply-To: <20040427161337.B21342@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 07:19:51PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I'm curious as to this idea of recycled vinyl; what was it being > > recycled from? Not old records surely! > > There were rumours of this as far back as the late 70s. We > believed that funky-coloured records (red, clear, etc.) couldn't > be made from recycled vinyl, and so offered a guarantee against > that particular form of shoddiness. > > All of this was rumour and hearsay; now, I wouldn't bet a nickel > either way on any of the above assertions :-) I didn't quite understand where they were supposed to be getting the old records from, is all? Remaindered stock thrown into the furnace? I suppose it could have happened... But actually I see Mike Montfort cleared that one up, thanks. > > Oh, and while I'm on the subject, does anyone know if such things > > as one-channel pre-amps are available which might solve my turntable > > problem? > > I take it your amp is too new to have a "phono" input? Yes, you > can get a "phono preamp" to boost the turntable's outputs up to > the standard levels expected by amplifiers' "auxiliary" inputs, > computer sound cards, and other devices. I've never used one, so > I can't make recommendations. No, it's more complex than that. My amp has a phono input, but my turntable has a very weak output. As otherwise it's gorgeous and they're not easy things to get anyway, for the sort of money I have at least, I need something that will whack up the voltage from the turntable to what phono level should be. I suspect a phono to aux one, if it's fixed voltage, will be much too powerful. I need some sort of variable resistor with its own power supply I can tape in the right place I guess. Must do some looking. Thanks everyone for responses on this yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 27 20:31:38 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:31:38 -0400 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness In-Reply-To: <20040528000735.GB3726@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Fri, May 28, 2004 at 01:07:35AM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 01:07:35AM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I > need something that will whack up the [weak] voltage from the turntable to what > phono level should be. I suspect a phono to aux one, if it's fixed > voltage, will be much too powerful. Well, you could run a standard phono preamp into an aux input, and not use the phono input at all ... or are the aux'es all taken up with other devices? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From david.dobbie at BT.COM Fri May 28 04:47:41 2004 From: david.dobbie at BT.COM (David Dobbie) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:47:41 +0100 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness Message-ID: There are two types of cartridge on turntables Moving Magnet MM and Moving Coil MC, and the provide a very different ouput level so you need a phono stage ( pre-amp ) for the right kind. I assume your phono stage is for the one that provides the weaker signal. The phono input on any amp is going to be either MC or MM, some are switchable eg have a switch on out side of amp, some are modular eg you can change a circuit board inside the amp. Phono amps are unique as they have to comply to the RIAA distortion curve, which none do exactly so every turntable has its unique sound mine has too much low end which I really like. My Tuner is made by QED and I believe they do phono stage amps, and I would recomend them my amp is very good indeed the sound quality is amazing, oh it was not cheap but I think good hi-fi is worth the invesment, mine is ten years old and still going strong. now I have a certain sound in my head ????????? MC rock on brothers and sisters -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jon Jarrett Sent: 28 May 2004 01:08 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 07:19:51PM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I'm curious as to this idea of recycled vinyl; what was it > > being recycled from? Not old records surely! > > There were rumours of this as far back as the late 70s. We believed > that funky-coloured records (red, clear, etc.) couldn't be made from > recycled vinyl, and so offered a guarantee against that particular > form of shoddiness. > > All of this was rumour and hearsay; now, I wouldn't bet a nickel > either way on any of the above assertions :-) I didn't quite understand where they were supposed to be getting the old records from, is all? Remaindered stock thrown into the furnace? I suppose it could have happened... But actually I see Mike Montfort cleared that one up, thanks. > > Oh, and while I'm on the subject, does anyone know if such > > things as one-channel pre-amps are available which might solve my > > turntable problem? > > I take it your amp is too new to have a "phono" input? Yes, you can > get a "phono preamp" to boost the turntable's outputs up to the > standard levels expected by amplifiers' "auxiliary" inputs, computer > sound cards, and other devices. I've never used one, so I can't make > recommendations. No, it's more complex than that. My amp has a phono input, but my turntable has a very weak output. As otherwise it's gorgeous and they're not easy things to get anyway, for the sort of money I have at least, I need something that will whack up the voltage from the turntable to what phono level should be. I suspect a phono to aux one, if it's fixed voltage, will be much too powerful. I need some sort of variable resistor with its own power supply I can tape in the right place I guess. Must do some looking. Thanks everyone for responses on this yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 28 05:43:19 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:43:19 +0000 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: I've got a signed Dodgem Dude 7", not sure how rare it is though? Prob my rarest is the 7" Hurry on Sundown promo that I must get signed some day. Thought Sonic Attack was about the rarest around with 200 issued I believe, but probably even less in the cloth bag nowdays. I've got Glastonbury triple but sadly without the pyramid which is also apparently hard to find. Eddie. >From: Filip Vanhuyse >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Moorcock >Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:47:55 +0200 > >The Elf & The Hawk is an official release from Black Widow Records in Italy >(also a Hawkfan by the way) and you should contact Andy at CDServices.Maybe >he has some in stock still. >There is a cd and a 2lp who differs from the cd. > >The Hawkwind connection is a dodgy cdr. > >If you're searching for something rare,you should try to find the limited >500 copy only 7" of "Brothel In Rosenstrasse" and it's signed by Michael >Moorcock (mine is no.252,and no I don't sell it) > >Also the lp "New World's Fair" is rare (try to find a copy,if any,with the >inner sleeve) > >greetings >filip > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens David Dobbie >Verzonden: donderdag 27 mei 2004 16:46 >Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Onderwerp: HW: Moorcock > > >HIya All > >Does any one know if either of these are available I live in England >or are they considered beyond the pale under the 'trading ban'? > >The Elf & The Hawk >The Hawkwind Connection ( Robert Calvert \ Michael Moorcock ) > >I am interested in the Moorcock stuff really > >Love and Pax > >Dobbie >david.dobbie at bt.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri May 28 11:06:00 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:06:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin - Sonic Rock Solstice DVD Message-ID: Hey Folks... OK, this item (coming from Visionary/Screen Edge, formerly Jettisoundz) is listed as "Region 0/NTSC (will play anywhere in World)" But with parenthetical add-on, do they mean that it won't be rejected due to the region-encoding ONLY, or do they truly mean that it's one of those PAL-compatible DVDs, such that it really will play anywhere in the World, regardless of equipment? Anybody know for certain? I imagine that it must be the latter ('cause they're a UK co., and why would they make it *only* for the US? - there seems to be only one version), but you never know! BTW, when did this thing come out and who's seen it? Grakkl (FAA) From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri May 28 11:32:30 2004 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:32:30 -0400 Subject: Bedouin - Sonic Rock Solstice DVD Message-ID: Keith- I purchased it a couple of weeks ago. It plays on both my older Sony player, which doesn't play all formats and my newer (and cheaper!) DVD player that plays anything. It's certainly worth picking up. Bedouin play about 6-7 numbers; very cool. The camera work is on the amateur side but is still very good. Spacehead and Harvey Bainbridge are other highlights. For a person like me who lives in Los Angeles, it's cool to see a video that captures the sights, sounds and smells of a cool space rock festival. I can always dream.... Dan -----Original Message----- From: Henderson Keith [mailto:keith.henderson at PSI.CH] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:06 AM To: BOC-L at listserv.ispnetinc.net Subject: HW: Bedouin - Sonic Rock Solstice DVD Hey Folks... OK, this item (coming from Visionary/Screen Edge, formerly Jettisoundz) is listed as "Region 0/NTSC (will play anywhere in World)" But with parenthetical add-on, do they mean that it won't be rejected due to the region-encoding ONLY, or do they truly mean that it's one of those PAL-compatible DVDs, such that it really will play anywhere in the World, regardless of equipment? Anybody know for certain? I imagine that it must be the latter ('cause they're a UK co., and why would they make it *only* for the US? - there seems to be only one version), but you never know! BTW, when did this thing come out and who's seen it? Grakkl (FAA) From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri May 28 20:06:26 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:06:26 -0700 Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:54 25.05.04 -0400, you wrote: >It came from me. I traded it for a Motorpsycho cd. Hi Chris Yes it did. I remember now. The new Motorpsycho "It's A Love Cult" is quite good (and quite the treat of the devil=) Chr. >Chris Raymond > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chris Stier >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:10 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including >"Distant Horizons" > > >Couldn't of gotten it from me... I've only come across two copies of 25 >Years On and both are safe with me. Unless there other Christopher Stiers >in the Multiverse.... > >Do I know you? > >Chris > >On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:06:22 -0700, Christian > wrote: > > >I got my copy of 25 Years On (not the Hawklords Live) from Christopher > >Stier and it is not for sale because I threw it all away. :( all gone. - > >regards, the people under the Stiers (must be the Queers, or at least one > >of the Legendary Dots) > > > >At 15:58 24.05.04 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>If this stuff is for sale would be interested in 25 Years On? How much? > >> > >>Eddie. > >> > >> > >>>From: Christian > >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>>Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's >including "Distant > >>>Horizons" > >>>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:36:09 -0700 > >>> > >>>I forever regret throwing them and the Brock/Turner/Calvert spinoffs in >the > >>>trash but The Hell's Angels made me do it. > >>> > >>>-Chr- > >>>(the chinese kid everybody hates for being a liar!) > >>> > >>> > >>>Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) > >>>Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) > >>>Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > >>>Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm > >>>Hawkwind - PXR5 > >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On > >>>Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live > >>>Hawkwind - Live '79 > >>>Hawkwind - Levitation > >>>Hawkwind - Sonic Attack > >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques > >>>Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind > >>>Hawkwind - Zones > >>>Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife 1985, SHARP033: Being > >>>the first Hawkwind album I ever bought back in 1988 in high school, the > >>>original release on the Flicknife label, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" > >>>proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of > >>>Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star >Rats > >>>led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a > >>>concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's > >>>mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior > >>>Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. >Having > >>>yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny > >>>Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and > >>>synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic > >>>lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live > >>>performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 >which > >>>was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, > >>>"Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking >Brock > >>>heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle >of > >>>The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, > >>>Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece >of > >>>psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". > >>>Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical >material, > >>>with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped >up, > >>>evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically > >>>chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting > >>>psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and > >>>"Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal > >>>summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos > >>>Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces > >>>chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and >Elric's > >>>sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned > >>>classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original > >>>Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the > >>>classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's >classic > >>>"Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black > >>>Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the >UK > >>>underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive >just > >>>as well along with it.) > >>>Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) > >>>Hawkwind - Out & Intake > >>>Hawkwind - Live Chronicles > >>>Hawkwind - Xenon Codex > >>>Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum > >>>Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) > >>>Hawkwind - Electric Tepee > >>>Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, > >>>charity EP) > >>>Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) > >>>Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live > >>>Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous > >>>Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone > >>>Hawkwind - Alien 4 > >>>Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) > >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) > >>>Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno >remixes) > >>>Hawkwind - Love In Space EP > >>>Hawkwind - Distant Horizons > >>>Hawkwind - In Your Area > >>>Hawkwind - Live 1997 (This excellent live CD, made availible only to > >>>Hawkwind's authorized "passport holders" through mail order directly >from > >>>the band, contains scorching punkrock versions of classic Hawkwind >numbers, > >>>as well as more recent material. Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Dave Brock and >Jerry > >>>Richards blaze through this kickass set containing old and new classics > >>>including "Ejection", Aerospaceage Inferno", "Phetamine >Street", "Alchemy" > >>>and "Reptoid Vision", this CD showcasing Hawkwind as a highly capable > >>>touring and recording band of the 90's, at least in this incarnation of > >>>spacerock's undisputed pioneers.) > >>>Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 > >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) > >>>Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) > >>>Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) > >>>Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool > >>>Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 > >>>(remastered) > >>>Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) > >>>Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) > >>>Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition >(Voiceprint > >>>2CD) > >>>Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw >Fruit) > >>>Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) > >>>Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) > >>>Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) > >>>Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years > >>>Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years > >>>Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) > >>>Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres > >>>tribute) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations >(Flicknife) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust > >>>Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan > >>>12" LP) > >>>HawXtar - HawXtar (Hawkwind's Nik Turner and DarXtar live in Jonk?ping, > >>>Sweden) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 28 17:05:27 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:05:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin - Sonic Rock Solstice DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 05:06:00PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: => OK, this item (coming from Visionary/Screen Edge, formerly Jettisoundz) is => listed as "Region 0/NTSC (will play anywhere in World)" => => But with parenthetical add-on, do they mean that it won't be rejected due to => the region-encoding ONLY, or do they truly mean that it's one of those => PAL-compatible DVDs, such that it really will play anywhere in the World, => regardless of equipment? Anybody know for certain? I imagine that it must => be the latter ('cause they're a UK co., and why would they make it *only* => for the US? - there seems to be only one version), but you never know! Remember, DVD-Video is digital video, so the playability depends upon your playback equipment. This entry from the DVD FAQ (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) might shed some light on this: >>>>> [1.19] Is DVD-Video a worldwide standard? Does it work with NTSC, PAL, and SECAM? The MPEG video on a DVD is stored in digital format, but it's formatted for one of two mutually incompatible television systems: 525/60 (NTSC) or 625/50 (PAL/SECAM). Therefore, there are two kinds of DVDs: "NTSC DVDs" and "PAL DVDs." Some players only play NTSC discs, others play PAL and NTSC discs. Discs are also coded for different regions of the world (see 1.10). Almost all DVD players sold in PAL countries play both kinds of discs. These multi-standard players partially convert NTSC to a 60-Hz PAL (4.43 NTSC) signal. The player uses the PAL 4.43-MHz color subcarrier encoding format but keeps the 525/60 NTSC scanning rate. Most modern PAL TVs can handle this "pseudo-PAL" signal. A few multi-standard PAL players output true 3.58 NTSC from NTSC discs, which requires an NTSC TV or a multi-standard TV. Some players have a switch to choose 60-Hz PAL or true NTSC output when playing NTSC discs. There are a few standards-converting PAL players that convert from an NTSC disc to standard PAL output for older PAL TVs. [[Various extra technical gubbins...]] There are actually three types of DVD players if you count computers. Most DVD PC software and hardware can play both NTSC and PAL video and both Dolby Digital and MPEG audio. Some PCs can only display the converted video on the computer monitor, but others can output it as a video signal for a TV. Bottom line: NTSC discs (with Dolby Digital audio) play on over 95% of DVD systems worldwide. PAL discs play on very few players outside of PAL countries. (This is irrespective of regions -- see 1.10.) <<<<< So, it seems the TV playability of NTSC-formatted DVDs on PAL systems rests on the capabilities of your DVD player and/or your TV. If you are playing it on a DVD-ROM drive to your computer monitor, you will have no problems at all. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat May 29 12:20:04 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:20:04 EDT Subject: HW: my long gone regular 70 real Hawkwind CD's including "Distant Horizons" Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/04 3:36:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > you luckay luckay - a word has yet to be invented as to how luckay you > are..... > but you are that lucky, and totally, totally that lucky at that... > sounds absolutley grand to me. > hmmm..."Stonehenge Decoded" at dawn??? holy hawkwind... too young, wrong continent... ...maybe wrong circumstances anyway, even if such two were in place... chuck From muspel at WEBTV.NET Sat May 29 17:34:37 2004 From: muspel at WEBTV.NET (muspel at WEBTV.NET) Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:34:37 -0700 Subject: Still in the Shadows In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor 's message of Sat, 29 May 2004 05:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: I recently purchased a copy of the "Out of the Shadows" DVD from the UK and was told that most North Americans buying it were getting it transferred to NTSC by a friendly computer acquaintance. I am disabled and my wife was kind enough to ask at work about it. The store computer expert there said to phone a video conversion place, we did and the cheapest rate we got was $30 per hour ( $90 for the whole thing, $60 for just the concert ). We simply can't afford this so I'm making a request for help: If anyone on this list would be kind enough to make an NTSC copy, hopefully from their own then I wouldn't have to send it, I (we) would be extremely grateful - and of course I'd pay for a blank disc, time, etc.. Many thanks, Jonathan (Vancouver, Canada) From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat May 29 20:03:42 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:03:42 -0500 Subject: Still in the Shadows Message-ID: I think most North American DVD players also play PAL DVD's if they are encoded for our region. I just got the "Out of the Shadows" DVD the other day and it plays just fine in my player. John Majka > I recently purchased a copy of the "Out of the Shadows" DVD from the UK > and was told that most North Americans buying it were getting it > transferred to NTSC by a friendly computer acquaintance. I am disabled > and my wife was kind enough to ask at work about it. The store computer > expert there said to phone a video conversion place, we did and the > cheapest rate we got was $30 per hour ( $90 for the whole thing, $60 for > just the concert ). We simply can't afford this so I'm making a request > for help: If anyone on this list would be kind enough to make an NTSC > copy, hopefully from their own then I wouldn't have to send it, I (we) > would be extremely grateful - and of course I'd pay for a blank disc, > time, etc.. > > Many thanks, > Jonathan > (Vancouver, Canada) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 30 06:15:49 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 06:15:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (May 30, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #104), and Drool Trough (show #11). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlists below. New to the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER Catalog: Fireclan - s/t: Fireclan is the trio of Mychael Merrill, Luis "Zero" Davila, and Don Falcone, all ex-members of Melting Euphoria. Don was the original keyboardist for Melting Euphoria and was replaced by Davila after he left. You might also know Don from Spaceship Eyes and as the organizer of the Spirits Burning project. And the new CD also includes two tracks with Daevid Allen of Gong contributing guitar. Ultra cosmic!!! For more information visit our online catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #104) Fireclan - "Sudden Mist" (from Fireclan) Liquid Visions - "Out Of This Room" (from From The Cube) Sula Bassana - "Dealer McDope" (from Dreamer) Vertigo Hold - "Sandalwood & Urine" (from For The Record #1) Disen Gage - "Solaris" (from The Screw-Loose Entertainment) The Legendary Pink Dots - "Soft Toy" (from The Whispering Wall) Ozric Tentacles - "Chewier" (from Spirals In Hyperspace) Model A - "The Wasted Line" (from Transmission Lost) Radio Dystopia - "Into The Cosmos" (from Beyond The Radar) Plain Fade - "Datura" (from Datura/Trial Ballon single) Urban Spacemen - "The Little Peace At The End" (from Plainsongs) Drool Trough (show #11) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. The Book Of Knots - "Boston To Bombay" (from The Book Of Knots) Benny Gordini with the Teen Axel Soul Arkestra - "Tease Me Baby" (from Ring-A-Dang Doo) Dreamdaze - "Illuminated Pleasures" (from This Is How Flat The World Is) Superczar - "Serial Killer" (from The Misadventures of Stanley Howard) Riddle of Steel - "Double Fister" (from Python) Blueprint Human Being - "Tucumbalam" (from Heaven Is All) Andrei Suchilin - "The Wobbly Attraction" (from Quasiland) Nothing To Declare - "Echoes In The Air" (from Stuck On Repeat) Smoke & Mirrors - "Thunderbirds" (from The Perfume of Creosote: Desert Exotica Part I) Sound Proof - "Blasted Back" (from Sound Proof 1999-2003) George W. Self - "Those Who Were Then" (from A Jungle of Sharp Elbows) Stellarscope - "Of Lost Grace" (from Fingerprint The Colour Of Sound) Pardovart - "Aria" (from Weapons Of Mass Destruction) Keven Brennan - "Never Ask If I Treat Her Right" (from God Is A Mighty Gourd) Walls Of Genius - "My World Is Empty Without You" (from The Wild and Crazy Years: The Best of Evan Cantor w/Walls of Genius) Qoph - "Stand My Ground" (from Pyrola) Eureka S?n - "Hormigus" (from Por Album) Panophonic - "Perdido" (from Todo es Azul: Lo Mejor de Mi) The White Liars - "It's All About Me" (from Pharmacia) http://Aural-Innovations.com From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Sun May 30 07:19:40 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:19:40 +0100 Subject: Still in the Shadows Message-ID: i think you will find that most modern DVD players now have a NTSC to PAL (and vice versa) convertor which allows you to play NTSC DVD and PAL DVD's with the same dvd player mine does and its a few years old now colm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Still in the Shadows > I recently purchased a copy of the "Out of the Shadows" DVD from the UK > and was told that most North Americans buying it were getting it > transferred to NTSC by a friendly computer acquaintance. I am disabled > and my wife was kind enough to ask at work about it. The store computer > expert there said to phone a video conversion place, we did and the > cheapest rate we got was $30 per hour ( $90 for the whole thing, $60 for > just the concert ). We simply can't afford this so I'm making a request > for help: If anyone on this list would be kind enough to make an NTSC > copy, hopefully from their own then I wouldn't have to send it, I (we) > would be extremely grateful - and of course I'd pay for a blank disc, > time, etc.. > > Many thanks, > Jonathan > (Vancouver, Canada) > From muspel at WEBTV.NET Mon May 31 06:25:16 2004 From: muspel at WEBTV.NET (muspel at WEBTV.NET) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 03:25:16 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor 's message of Mon, 31 May 2004 05:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: I thank the two people who replied saying that the PAL "Out of the Shadows" should play on my NTSC player. Unfortunately it doesn't; nor does it on my sister-in-law's or her son's - on mine it says (when the disc is placed in): "This type of disc cannot be played. Please insert a different one." , on my wife's sister's it reads: "Disc error" and on her son's it reads the same as mine. These displays are exactly the same on all three for another concert DVD I have when the PAL side is entered (the other side is NTSC and plays just fine - this would have been a nice idea for the Hawkwind disc). I hope he does not mind me mentioning this but when I bought the disc from Phil at CDS it was he who said that many North Americans were getting a friendly computer savvy friend to make an NTSC disc for them. My disability severely limits my ability to socialize, so I thought I'd take Phil's suggestion and see if I could find a "friend" on this list would be kind enough to help me with this. Thank you for your patience and it would be most appreciated if *anyone* could help. Thanks again, Jonathan (Vancouver, B.C.) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon May 31 06:48:16 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:48:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Re: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows Message-ID: Jonathan laments... >I thank the two people who replied saying that the PAL "Out of the >Shadows" should play on my NTSC player. Unfortunately it doesn't; nor >does it on my sister-in-law's or her son's... I'm no expert on this (to say the least), but I will offer two things that have just come to mind on the subject. One is, that somewhere I read that many 'cheap' DVD players in the US have the capability to play DVDs from Europe because they contain "one-chip-fits-all" processors in them. Or something. Whereas higher quality DVD players sometimes have individually-designed chips only containing the capability that *that* particular model has, as advertised. (I can't remember where I read that...I thought maybe it was even here, but I guess not.) The other, is that my nephew in Chicago managed to find on the internet a simple sequence of buttons to push, in order to make his otherwise- PAL-intolerable NTSC-DVD player accept PAL discs and play them without distortion or anything. I think he just searched for his model and make and 'hacking' instructions, and found the sequence without a problem. At first I didn't believe him, but he sent solid evidence to indicate it was the truth. Putting these two bits of information together, perhaps your (or other's) DVD player *does* have the capability to accept PAL DVDs, but just needs to be 'hacked' in order to make it happen. If indeed it contains one of these all-purpose chips inside. Try a search and see... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Interesting about the '95% of PAL-DVD players will accept NTSC.' I guess mine does, as I have one or two NTSC discs that do play, but I thought that was because the discs were 'special' duel format ones. Maybe no such thing exists, after all? I dunno...I've been trying to figure out this whole thing for six years, without success. Even though many people have forwarded lots of very detailed, seemingly complete explanations. Perhaps I just don't get it. :) I've got some CD-video things that *don't* play on it, though. I guess this CD-V idea is already dying out, as I think the data density was quite low such that a normal sized disc only held about 25 minutes or so of audio/video, so I guess it's not so important an issue. From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 31 11:01:51 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:01:51 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows Message-ID: hi there i am sorry to hear that your dvd doesnt play on your DVD player. one way round it but its not straightforward and it might not work either is to rip the DVD onto the hard drive on your computer and convert it to NTSC and then burn it as a SVCD onto a couple of CD-R's. but then your DVD player must be able to play SVCD's you could also copy it to DVDR after converting it to NTSC but then your DVD player might not play DVDR's colm ps. i dont think its illegal to make a copy of the disc if you already own an original copy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows > I thank the two people who replied saying that the PAL "Out of the > Shadows" should play on my NTSC player. Unfortunately it doesn't; nor > does it on my sister-in-law's or her son's - on mine it says (when the > disc is placed in): "This type of disc cannot be played. Please insert a > different one." , on my wife's sister's it reads: "Disc error" and on > her son's it reads the same as mine. These displays are exactly the same > on all three for another concert DVD I have when the PAL side is entered > (the other side is NTSC and plays just fine - this would have been a > nice idea for the Hawkwind disc). > > I hope he does not mind me mentioning this but when I bought the disc > from Phil at CDS it was he who said that many North Americans were > getting a friendly computer savvy friend to make an NTSC disc for them. > My disability severely limits my ability to socialize, so I thought I'd > take Phil's suggestion and see if I could find a "friend" on this list > would be kind enough to help me with this. > > Thank you for your patience and it would be most appreciated if *anyone* > could help. > Thanks again, > Jonathan > (Vancouver, B.C.) > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 31 11:04:12 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:04:12 +0100 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? FoFP http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 31 11:08:51 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:08:51 +0100 Subject: Galactic Patrol Alert! CDR's on Ebay! Message-ID: Enforcer Colin to Bridge. Phasers on Kill: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4015902933&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4015900032&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4015898975&rd=1 FoFP From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Mon May 31 11:24:18 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:24:18 +0200 Subject: Space Opera CD? In-Reply-To: <200405311504.i4VF4Cji013591@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well,this one is certainly NOT official -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens M Holmes Verzonden: maandag 31 mei 2004 17:04 Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Onderwerp: Space Opera CD? Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? FoFP http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon May 31 14:03:31 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (MiChAeL "aLiEn DrEaM" bLaCkMaN) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 03:33:31 +0930 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: nice insert tho.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Space Opera CD? > Well,this one is certainly NOT official > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens M Holmes > Verzonden: maandag 31 mei 2004 17:04 > Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Onderwerp: Space Opera CD? > > > Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? > > FoFP > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 31 14:12:46 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 19:12:46 +0100 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: is it the same gig as the official DVD? i wonder if someone has ripped the DVD and transfered it to CDR? colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Space Opera CD? > Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? > > FoFP > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 31 15:14:31 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:14:31 -0400 Subject: Space Opera CD? In-Reply-To: <007c01c4473a$e03484b0$42776051@IRONDREAM>; from colm.mcwilliams@NTLWORLD.COM on Mon, May 31, 2004 at 07:12:46PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 07:12:46PM +0100, colm mcwilliams wrote: > is it the same gig as the official DVD? Nope; wrong year. The one on eBay's from the 2001 tour. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Mon May 31 15:15:29 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:15:29 +0100 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: > is it the same gig as the official DVD? > i wonder if someone has ripped the DVD and transfered it to CDR? > colm Different year, different tour - this CD-R is 2001, the DVD is 2002. Dave From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon May 31 15:54:15 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:54:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy in the Guardian Message-ID: Nothing revelatory here (it's the Guardian, not a music rag!), but always enjoyable to read pontifiactions from the man ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1228373,00.html -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon May 31 16:51:40 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:51:40 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows Message-ID: Just a quick one on this - I spoke to the label before the DVD came out and they said that because it's region free or region 0 that it will play on anything - "great" I thought - "we can send out all the American ones". Then I had a conversation with Lars from the label about the possibility of putting it out as an NTSC version but apparently the economics of the situation didn't add up. But then I thought "if it's supposed to play on anything, why's he worrying about an NTSC edition?" I then spoke with Dave who owns CDS and is a good deal more technically convesant on these things than I am, and he said that, region 0 or not, if it's region0 PAL, it won't play on DVD's set up for region 0 NTSC!!! It's at this pointmy head exploded. All I can say is that, for the supposed global economy we are supposed to inhabit, for the supposed technological age in which we live, why the sodding hell we STILL have this stupid intercontinental format thing going on, is beyond me. The manufacturers of the whole shooting match want.......errrrrrr........shooting!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows > I thank the two people who replied saying that the PAL "Out of the > Shadows" should play on my NTSC player. Unfortunately it doesn't; nor > does it on my sister-in-law's or her son's - on mine it says (when the > disc is placed in): "This type of disc cannot be played. Please insert a > different one." , on my wife's sister's it reads: "Disc error" and on > her son's it reads the same as mine. These displays are exactly the same > on all three for another concert DVD I have when the PAL side is entered > (the other side is NTSC and plays just fine - this would have been a > nice idea for the Hawkwind disc). > > I hope he does not mind me mentioning this but when I bought the disc > from Phil at CDS it was he who said that many North Americans were > getting a friendly computer savvy friend to make an NTSC disc for them. > My disability severely limits my ability to socialize, so I thought I'd > take Phil's suggestion and see if I could find a "friend" on this list > would be kind enough to help me with this. > > Thank you for your patience and it would be most appreciated if *anyone* > could help. > Thanks again, > Jonathan > (Vancouver, B.C.) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 31 16:59:43 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:59:43 +0100 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: Boot! This looks like a rip of the Newcastle DVD. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Space Opera CD? > Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? > > FoFP > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 31 17:15:31 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:15:31 +0100 Subject: Space Opera CD? Message-ID: Ahhh! Can't be can it! Wrong tour! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Space Opera CD? > Boot! This looks like a rip of the Newcastle DVD. > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 4:04 PM > Subject: Space Opera CD? > > > > Anyone know what this one is? Is it official? > > > > FoFP > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4015898975 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 31 17:27:18 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:27:18 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest / Still in the Shadows In-Reply-To: <004401c44751$16089200$df977ad5@andy> Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 09:51:40PM +0100, deadearnest wrote: => All I can say is that, for the supposed global economy we are supposed to => inhabit, for the supposed technological age in which we live, why the => sodding hell we STILL have this stupid intercontinental format thing going => on, is beyond me. The manufacturers of the whole shooting match => want.......errrrrrr........shooting!! The problem only occurs when trying to play digital media (DVDs) on analogue output devices (e.g., analogue televisions). This problem does not manifest itself when playing a DVD to a digital output device (e.g., a multisync computer monitor). Don't blame the manufacturers of DVDs---blame the "golden handcuffs" of all those old analogue TVs people still want to use on which to show their shiny DVDs! It is the analogue TVs that are being finicky, and that's why DVDs are "formatted" for a particular broadcast standard (NTSC or PAL/SECAM). More modern analogue TVs may be less finicky (e.g., PAL TVs that can also do a 60 Hz pseudo-PAL for showing NTSC), and some DVD players may be more accommodating when it comes to the two TV standards, but, in the end, some people may fall between the cracks and be left with a DVD they can't view on their TV. I guess when analogue TV broadcasts are phased out, this will no longer be an issue, as those that want to watch TV will be forced to upgrade. ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa