From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Mon Mar 1 09:51:37 2004 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Cosmos In Space) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:51:37 +0100 Subject: testing Message-ID: sorry to wake you all up but i just want to know if i really activated my account again. andre From david.dobbie at BT.COM Mon Mar 1 11:56:40 2004 From: david.dobbie at BT.COM (David Dobbie) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:56:40 -0000 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? Message-ID: Thanx for all your replies I think you managed to understand my bit about record grades I wrote > Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is mint or e mean near mint? I think I was trying to say its either mint or it isn't. I think I would except a record as mint if it looks perfect eg not the slitest bit of grime, scratch or worn looking grooves. I get fed up with Mint, NM or M- gradings. that could only be EX or even worse I only buy these if the price is right. Allways been wary of Vinyl mail order, thats a scary world of crackles, scratches and drop outs. How do you know if a record has never been palyed and that doesn't allways mean its perfect I got Live Chronicles 2xLP on GWR / Profile still in unopened shrink wrap its way crackly good job it only cost me about ?2 so thats cool. Doug wrote > Any serious record collector/dealer will tell you that the only records > that are MINT are records that have never been played. If a record has > been played once, but the vinyl is still in perfect condition, it cannot > be called Mint, hence the "Near Mint" (or "Mint Minus") grade. > -Doug (who, of course, wishes that everyone could buy a Warrior CD for ?10) too right and Quark as well with big fat booklets double pack for a fiver ok that is too much to ask for is there some kind of licencing problem with these records? > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of > chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 02:33 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? > > > Hi ya, > > Is there like some cottage industry that creates a few pressings of > vynal and sells them. > > Over the years I've seen many long forgotten albums in 'unplayed' > condition. For instance I guarantee if you go to the > indoor market in > Cardiff you will find a pristene copy of x in search of > space complete > with booklet for about ?8. I can't believe the very same > copy has been > there over 18 months so is it there are no Hawkfans bred > in Cardiff or > is there some clandesine supply of vynal? > > Chris > I grew up in Nottingham and Selectadisc there use to get strange old stuff in brand new copies of stuff five or ten years old. I think these were just copies turing up at warehouses etc. Love and Pax Dobbie From millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK Mon Mar 1 15:06:39 2004 From: millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK (Neil Wooldridge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:06:39 -0500 Subject: Hawkfest 2004 ? Message-ID: Any news on Hawkfest 2004? Having enjoyed the past 2 years, would really like to see a Hawkfest this year. Maybe on a smaller scale (to keep organisation/cost to a min.) thanks neil Passport 3064 From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 1 15:36:04 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:36:04 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:56:40 -0000, David Dobbie wrote: >Thanx for all your replies > >I think you managed to understand my bit about record grades >I wrote > > Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is mint > > or e mean near mint? > >I think I was trying to say its either mint or it isn't. I think I >would except a record as mint if it looks perfect eg not the slitest >bit of grime, scratch or worn looking grooves. I get fed up with Mint, >NM or M- gradings. that could only be EX or even worse I only buy >these if the price is right. Allways been wary of Vinyl mail order, >thats a scary world of crackles, scratches and drop outs. How do you >know if a record has never been palyed and that doesn't allways mean >its perfect I got Live Chronicles 2xLP on GWR / Profile still in >unopened shrink wrap its way crackly good job it only cost me about >?2 so thats cool. Ah, yes. You bring up an excellent point about some "mint" records. The fact is, most UK record pressings (especially indie releases) from the 80's absolutely SUCK. I think that every Hawkwind album I bought new on Flicknife or GWR was noisy and crackly straight out of the shrinkwrap. But with respect to vinyl grading - one way to keep from getting burned is to frequent the same dealer, so you know what to expect from his/her grading system. Dealers who continually mis-represent condition will (hopefully) eventually lose their customers because of it. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 1 15:39:49 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:39:49 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 04:56:40PM -0000, David Dobbie wrote: => thats a scary world of crackles, scratches and drop outs. How do you => know if a record has never been palyed and that doesn't allways mean => its perfect I got Live Chronicles 2xLP on GWR / Profile still in => unopened shrink wrap its way crackly I'm puzzled: if it's still in the unopened shrink wrap (i.e., never been played), then how do you know it's crackly? Wouldn't that require actually playing it to ascertain? ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 1 16:39:44 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:39:44 -0000 Subject: Real Festival Music - gig - Nik Turner's Space Unit Message-ID: NIK TURNER'S SPACE UNIT Will be performing at the Underworld http://www.theunderworldcamden.co.uk , Camden Town, London on Thursday the11th of March 1994, on stage at 10.30 approx, open til late. The participants in this "Spacerock Supergroup Frenzy" will include The Mighty Thunder Rider himself, Judge Trev, Commander Jim Hawkman, David Anderson, The Fabulous Angie, Jackie Windmill, Myreg, Ola, and introducing Gordy Everitt - new bass boy, and other "special guests" to be announced. The musicians will be careful to ensure that there are absolutely no rehearsals prior to the gig in order to recreate the original "vibe" of the great days of Acid Rock in old Camden Town - the heart of Inner City Unit's stomping ground. The group, "Landmarq" will be supporting, a splendid bunch of chaps who played with Nik on his mexican tour a couple of years ago. The entrance fee is ?10 Check this earlier "Spacerock Supergroup Fenzy" from the Big Green Gathering last year: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News to be removed from rfm updates, reply with "unsubscribe" From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Mar 1 17:34:48 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:34:48 -0000 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? In-Reply-To: <20040301203949.GA34868@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: > I'm puzzled: if it's still in the unopened shrink wrap (i.e., never > been played), then how do you know it's crackly? Wouldn't that > require actually playing it to ascertain? ;-) > Schr?dinger's album, perhaps? Nick From david.dobbie at BT.COM Tue Mar 2 05:49:35 2004 From: david.dobbie at BT.COM (David Dobbie) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:49:35 -0000 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness Message-ID: > I'm puzzled: if it's still in the unopened shrink wrap (i.e., never > been played), then how do you know it's crackly? Wouldn't that > require actually playing it to ascertain? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. I don't own an I meant I bought it shrinkwrapped, then I played it and to my surprise. Obviously Doug has had the same fun as me, oh those were the days: > Ah, yes. You bring up an excellent point about some "mint" records. The > fact is, most UK record pressings (especially indie releases) from the > 80's absolutely SUCK. I think that every Hawkwind album I bought new on > Flicknife or GWR was noisy and crackly straight out of the shrinkwrap. I agree but also beg to differ. I have a lot of good pressings from the 80's, started really buying stuff about '84 I was fourteen then, and a big indie kid. Things that spring to mind as good pressing and still sounding good Fall on Beggars, J&MC not indie but the early 12"s were fantastically pressed and I remember the Rough Trade being good and solid. I also remeber some of the very small labels eg early Creation, Subway Org, Sarah and the 53rd & 3rd group. The worst label I ever encountered was Fire, awfull awfull vinyl. > Schr?dinger's album, perhaps? > Nick yeah was the record crackly before I palyed it, or did the act of playing it make it crackly. Is the other copy they are also selling in the shop as bad ? If I had never opened it would it be crackle free? probably not, duff pressing I think. The worst label I ever encountered was Fire. I was a Happy boy when I could afford a CD palyer, what a great device. What a great signal to noise ratio, sounds so much better than vinyl, which sounds dead in comparision, that is pure fact and not just my opinion ;) ok I am being deliberately provocative. I have never heard an argument to covince me either way it all sounds like opinion to me, I believe that a lot of the sound comes from the equipment being used. I prefer CD if only for its practicality. I got a CD just released by indie band Bearsuit yesterday which in its way reminds me of Hawkwind eg starts with some noisy electronic stuff, has some pop type songs on it and an awfull electronic track. If any ones interested check out www.bearsuit.co.uk, I am sure there are some MP3s they even get a bit blanga at times. Love & Pax Dobbie > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Paul Mather > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 20:40 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? > > > On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 04:56:40PM -0000, David Dobbie wrote: > > => thats a scary world of crackles, scratches and drop outs. > How do you > => know if a record has never been palyed and that doesn't > allways mean > => its perfect I got Live Chronicles 2xLP on GWR / Profile still in > => unopened shrink wrap its way crackly > > I'm puzzled: if it's still in the unopened shrink wrap (i.e., never > been played), then how do you know it's crackly? Wouldn't that > require actually playing it to ascertain? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of > boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 2 06:28:44 2004 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:28:44 +0000 Subject: FESTIVAL 2004??!! Message-ID: Hi all, anyone out there got or heard any rumblings/ rumours re a 2004 hawkfest? Colin /Kris what's the latest please? Peter > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 2 07:52:09 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:52:09 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest 2004 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah I second this... a few of the people (non-passport holders) who came down with me last year are already asking about it. Dave At 15:06 01/03/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Any news on Hawkfest 2004? >Having enjoyed the past 2 years, would really like to see a Hawkfest this >year. >Maybe on a smaller scale (to keep organisation/cost to a min.) >thanks >neil >Passport 3064 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 2 10:29:11 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:29:11 -0500 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:49:35AM -0000, David Dobbie wrote: => I was a Happy boy when I could afford a CD palyer, what a great => device. What a great signal to noise ratio, sounds so much better than => vinyl, which sounds dead in comparision, that is pure fact and not => just my opinion ;) Some of the earlier Hawkwind CD releases were awful---they sounded like they were taken straight from the vinyl masters, with RIAA phono equalisation left in and all. As a consequence, they sounded terrible when played, at least compared to their vinyl counterparts. Unless I'm misremembering, _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ springs to mind, here... Now that vinyl is a niche market, and pretty much a collector's medium, the new vinyl releases tend to be very well pressed, often using virgin vinyl. I've not had the benefit of hearing any (my turntable is many, many miles away), but I'd imagine such audiophile pressings would sound superb. I'd heard that one of the contributors to awful vinyl sound quality (excessive crackles and surface noise, etc.) was the routine use of recycled vinyl and the use of poor, worn-out master discs when pressing. (That's one reason to try and buy the initial release of an LP; you often get better quality.) It didn't help much that Nth generation releases also sometimes used very poor master tapes as source. I remember a low-priced Rush LP reissue I had that had unbearably high tape hiss, making me think they must've used the umpteenth copy of a safety master when going to re-press that one. :-( Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Mar 2 13:34:08 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:34:08 -0000 Subject: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness Message-ID: By far the worst vinyl 'error' to my ears, at least, occurs when the disc is pressed with the hole off- centre. This lends the sound a slow cyclic wow which can make the disc unlistenable to anyone with a sensitivity to pitch, as I have. Flicknife were a chief offender here, but there were others. In fact I encountered so many records with this affliction, I used to use a small file to enlarge the hole, and have some parallel lines drawn on the turntable plinth to check for movement of the arm when playing. Thankfully that's one problem that has been completely erradicated by CD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: Re: HW RE: off into dodgy vinyl ness > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:49:35AM -0000, David Dobbie wrote: > > => I was a Happy boy when I could afford a CD palyer, what a great > => device. What a great signal to noise ratio, sounds so much better than > => vinyl, which sounds dead in comparision, that is pure fact and not > => just my opinion ;) > > Some of the earlier Hawkwind CD releases were awful---they sounded > like they were taken straight from the vinyl masters, with RIAA phono > equalisation left in and all. As a consequence, they sounded terrible > when played, at least compared to their vinyl counterparts. Unless > I'm misremembering, _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ springs to mind, > here... > > Now that vinyl is a niche market, and pretty much a collector's > medium, the new vinyl releases tend to be very well pressed, often > using virgin vinyl. I've not had the benefit of hearing any (my > turntable is many, many miles away), but I'd imagine such audiophile > pressings would sound superb. > > I'd heard that one of the contributors to awful vinyl sound quality > (excessive crackles and surface noise, etc.) was the routine use of > recycled vinyl and the use of poor, worn-out master discs when > pressing. (That's one reason to try and buy the initial release of an > LP; you often get better quality.) It didn't help much that Nth > generation releases also sometimes used very poor master tapes as > source. I remember a low-priced Rush LP reissue I had that had > unbearably high tape hiss, making me think they must've used the > umpteenth copy of a safety master when going to re-press that one. :-( > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 2 18:51:22 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:51:22 +0000 Subject: seeking Welsh psych/spacerock band for a date in Cardiff (other than Nik) Message-ID: Hello all, I'm looking for a possible third act for a show in Cardiff, June 19th. If anyone has contacts for interesting Welsh psych/spacerock bands who might be interested, have them e-mail me directly at: sloterdijk at msn.com cheers! Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 2 18:53:19 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:53:19 +0000 Subject: seeking Welsh psych/spacerock band for a date in Cardiff: DATE CORRECTION Message-ID: Sorry, the show is JUne 17th >From: "Burro Mike" >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, >boc-l at listserv.spc.edu >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: seeking Welsh psych/spacerock band for a date in Cardiff (other >than Nik) >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:51:22 +0000 > >Hello all, I'm looking for a possible third act for a show in Cardiff, June >19th. If anyone has contacts for interesting Welsh psych/spacerock bands >who might be interested, have them e-mail me directly at: >sloterdijk at msn.com > >cheers! Mike Burro >http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ? 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Thu Mar 4 13:07:59 2004 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:07:59 +0100 Subject: HW:Autumn gigs? Message-ID: Hi there! I?ll be in London between Sept. 6 to Sept. 13 (to see Rush at Wembley). Would be nice if Hawkwind would play the very same week in the London area? That?s what a call a great week! And why not ELP at some nice arena:-)). Well, I know the will play in Sweden in June but at that time I?ll be home with our one year old daughter Alice, which is, of course, much better than anything else in life. For the time being I think it?ll do nicelly with some new HW records and DVD?s. Cheers Hawkswede (still alive and kicking:-) ) From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Mar 6 06:51:54 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:51:54 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: Have a look at this: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hawkwind/disc_outofthedvd.html cheers Bernhard From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Sat Mar 6 08:19:56 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:19:56 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: > Have a look at this: > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hawkwind/disc_outofthedvd.html Interesting... this site also claims that there's a 2-cd version of Spaced Out In London due on 19th April from Voiceprint. Can anyone confirm? Dave From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Mar 6 11:17:09 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:17:09 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: Not sure why its a double CD as the original is only a single CD and it seems to be the same track listing! From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Sat Mar 6 11:52:42 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:52:42 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: > Not sure why its a double CD as the original is only a single CD and it > seems to be the same track listing! Even though they're not listed here, I suspect that the 2-cd version will have added encores. Which means we'll be treated to a wonderful version of Spirit of the Age, plus Silver Machine & the merging of Spacebrock & Sonic Attack (which really didn't work very well at all). Dave From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 6 14:56:12 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:56:12 -0000 Subject: Nik Turner's Space Unit - Camden Underworld - thursday Message-ID: NIK TURNER'S SPACE UNIT Will be performing at the Underworld , Camden Town, London, on Thursday the11th of March 2004, on stage at 10.30 approx, open til late. The participants in this "Spacerock Supergroup Frenzy" will include Nik, The Mighty Thunder Rider himself, Judge Trev, Dave Anderson, Commander Jim Hawkman, The Fabulous Angie, Jackie Windmill, Myreg, and introducing Gordy Everitt - new bass boy. Bob Calvert will attend in the form of his son, Nik Calvert the poet, among other "special guests" The group, "Landmarq" will be supporting, a splendid bunch of chaps who played with Nik on his mexican tour a couple of years ago. Tickets from http://www.theunderworldcamden.co.uk/ Check this earlier "Spacerock Supergroup Fenzy" from the Big Green Gathering last year: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News to be removed from rfm updates, reply with "unsubscribe" From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Mar 6 16:52:52 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:52:52 -0000 Subject: Nik Turner's Space Unit - Camden Underworld - thursday Message-ID: I thought Landmarq were all dead and gone to prog rock hell along with Pendragon. Or had split up donkey's ago? Or is it a different Landmarq? Sadly I'll be in Birmingham that day. Arse. Cheers, Rich. NIK TURNER'S SPACE UNIT Will be performing at the Underworld , Camden Town, London, on Thursday the11th of March 2004, on stage at 10.30 approx, open til late. The participants in this "Spacerock Supergroup Frenzy" will include Nik, The Mighty Thunder Rider himself, Judge Trev, Dave Anderson, Commander Jim Hawkman, The Fabulous Angie, Jackie Windmill, Myreg, and introducing Gordy Everitt - new bass boy. Bob Calvert will attend in the form of his son, Nik Calvert the poet, among other "special guests" The group, "Landmarq" will be supporting, a splendid bunch of chaps who played with Nik on his mexican tour a couple of years ago. Tickets from http://www.theunderworldcamden.co.uk/ Check this earlier "Spacerock Supergroup Fenzy" from the Big Green Gathering last year: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News to be removed from rfm updates, reply with "unsubscribe" From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Mar 6 19:48:24 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:48:24 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: The plan is to bring it out as a DVD and CD package - but not through Voiceprint so I gather - so I am not quite understanding this just now. Keep you posted. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Bottomley To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind DVD > > Have a look at this: > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hawkwind/disc_outofthedvd.html > > Interesting... this site also claims that there's a 2-cd version of Spaced > Out In London due on 19th April from Voiceprint. Can anyone confirm? > > Dave From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 7 05:02:17 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 05:02:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Electronic, Alchemical Radio and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (March 7, 2004): We've just uploaded new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #100), The Electronic Cottage (show #5), Alchemical Radio (show #57), and Drool Trough (show #6). Our radio shows broadcast in RealAudio and can be streamed or downloaded. 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Shumai - "Dog Lipstick" (from Tastes Like Summer) http://Aural-Innovations.com From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sun Mar 7 08:19:36 2004 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:19:36 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 3/7/04 -0500, Dave wrote: > >> Have a look at this: >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hawkwind/disc_outofthedvd.html > >Interesting... this site also claims that there's a 2-cd version of Spaced >Out In London due on 19th April from Voiceprint. Can anyone confirm? I've received the April updates that Voiceprint sends out to vendors and no such listing was included. Nor is it mentioned on their website as far as I can see. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Mar 7 13:49:36 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:49:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Release Info Message-ID: ++ + STAR WARRIORS + + + Release Note: A "live VCD" has recently been offered for sale from various outlets. This is essentially a bootleg and should be treated as such - the band has not sanctioned the release and will get nothing from it - avoid ! We will be releasing details of official releases very soon - keep an eye on Mission Control ! www.hawkwind.com +++ + + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + From michaeldaniel at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Mar 7 14:14:23 2004 From: michaeldaniel at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (voidcity) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:14:23 -0500 Subject: Off topic (a bit):New Flight Crew Needed! Message-ID: Hello all, Sorry to be off topic (slightly), but I need to post the following: SPACE/STONER ROCK BAND looking for new DRUMMER and SYNTHESIZER PLAYER to complete line up. Based in Liverpool, own rehearsal room, own recording facilities. Commitment required, but we are looking to have fun too. Sequencers ready to run, audio generators set to kill, guitarist ready, bass player ready, set framework ready, waiting for the flesh to be put on the bones by you guys. Once up and running, will be doing the full multi- media-audio-visual thing. Contact me off-list at: michaeldaniel at blueyonder.co.uk look forward to hearing from you. mick From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Mon Mar 8 12:35:09 2004 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:35:09 -0500 Subject: Bedouin DVD Message-ID: I saw the live Bedouin DVD in Tower a couple of days ago. Has anybody on the list bought it? Any reviews/ thoughts you'd like to share? Thanks Dan From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 8 13:19:32 2004 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:19:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted Message-ID: John's points prompted me to put up my most structured piece to date, 'The Dragons of Dinas Emrys'. Do drop by and have a listen. http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=121360&content=music Regards Tom >Part of this is that Hawkwind, like countless bands before and after, use >the good old sonata form: >2. development: develop the themes and mix them up a bit >3. recapitulation: restate the original themes >OK it's cliched, Beethoven did it, but it gives a track structure and this >makes the track a lot better to listen to. Great composers bend the rules >with the sonata form, Beethoven did, and while Hawkwind aren't that great >they bend the rules too and mostly make their tracks even better as a >result. >JR _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Mar 8 15:47:50 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:47:50 +0000 Subject: Bedouin DVD In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E1222D70F@ntguslaexs1.neuus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: Bought it, haven't played it much yet though, but your question prompted me to dig it out and put it on, and I'm glad I did. It's not just a Bedouin DVD, it's also one of those document-of-the-event type things, with footage and interviews from around the festival site and several numbers by other bands inc. Spacehead and Harvey Bainbridge. There are 9 tracks in the Bedouin section. The filming is basically one-camera stuff, with some good zooms and close-ups. It's in the same ballpark as the Huw Lloyd-Langton DVD that was on sale last year, although filmed from further away and slightly to the right rather than close-up on the left. The light show is shown fairly well. It's not so dark you can't see the band but not so light you lose all the atmosphere (the usual criticism of the Live Legends vid for example). The picture tends to pixilate a bit (if that's the right word) if you look at it close up, but it doesn't make it unwatchable or anything. The band obviously aren't the most exciting thing to look at, but you can't have everything. I would say the sound is a "genuine" live sound, so it's rough in places, but certainly much better than an audience recording if not quite a top-notch cleaned-up sound. It's more than adequate from a listenability point of view, all the instruments are clear, well balanced, stuff like the break in the middle of Ancient Light works well with the synth, guitar and cymbals are coming through ok. It captures Glenn's guitar very well. Track selection is the classic Bedouin set of their last year or so, AASB, Rock Palace, Ancient Light, Dagger Dance, Elric, One Moon Circles, Wings, Chasing The Dragon and finally Harvey joining them for Coded Shouting at the end. My only gripe is the unforgivable omission of Vision Quest, but maybe they didn't play it. I would say buy it, particularly if you like Bedouin already. It's a faithful visual document of Alan's band, and probably the only one we'll ever get, given that they seem to have stopped gigging now :-( AL --- "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > I saw the live Bedouin DVD in Tower a couple of days ago. > Has anybody on the list bought it? Any reviews/ thoughts you'd like > to share? > > Thanks > > Dan ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Mar 8 16:56:21 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:56:21 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind DVD In-Reply-To: <008201c4039b$71c58200$8ec38851@q0k3s>; from merlinas@BTCONNECT.COM on Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 04:52:42PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 04:52:42PM -0000, Dave Bottomley wrote: > [...] the merging of Spacebrock & Sonic > Attack (which really didn't work very well at all). Maybe not at Newcastle (dunno, I missed that one), but I rather liked it later in the tour... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Mar 8 17:58:39 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:58:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Look what the cat dragged in Message-ID: 1. Starfarer's "Hawkwind Trivia" has this to say, among many other bits and pieces: "The lyrics to Magnu are based upon the 3rd verse of Song of Apollo by Percy Bysshe Shelley". OK, so I Googled for the poem. Realized I needed the song lyrics to compare, googled "Magnu"... and found this: http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Pets/MagnuMisha.htm This guy was trying to figure out a name for a stray cat they'd just taken in, and "For some unknown reason, I blurted out the name Magnu. Don't ask me what it means, I still don't know." Odd enough, but just above that quote is a link "Back to the Apollo Page". Now this is getting spooky. 2. http://www.merseymouth.com/silver.htm -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 9 06:38:11 2004 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:38:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Release Info Message-ID: Rik, Colin, KRis, anybody.....a few of us passie holders have been asking for any info re hawkfest 2004. I've posted a couple of emails recently on behalf of me and 8 friends who are all passport holders. So why the stony silence? It would be really nice to get some sort of 'official' reaction considering we're dedicated long term warriors... Could someone in the know please acknowledge Petertrance >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Release Info >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:49:36 -0500 > >++ + STAR WARRIORS + + + > >Release Note: A "live VCD" has recently been offered for sale from various >outlets. This is essentially a bootleg and should be treated as such - the >band has not sanctioned the release and will get nothing from it - avoid ! > >We will be releasing details of official releases very soon - keep an eye >on Mission Control ! > >www.hawkwind.com > >+++ + + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 06:47:46 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:47:46 GMT Subject: Hawkwind DVD In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: Looking at the cover of the DVD, which is Rodney Matthews "Encore At The End of Time", do I correctlky recall a similar picture of a band by RM from some time back, which in some ways did resemble Hawkwind? Or is that cider playing tricks again? FoFP From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Mar 9 07:01:42 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:01:42 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind DVD Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:47:46 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Looking at the cover of the DVD, which is Rodney Matthews "Encore At The >End of Time", do I correctlky recall a similar picture of a band by RM >from some time back, which in some ways did resemble Hawkwind? Or is >that cider playing tricks again? > >FoFP i seem to remember a poster that you used to be able to buy about 20 years ago that depicted a group of skeleton like creatures playing in a rock band, from the imagery you got the impression that they were a "heavy" band but the big giveaway to me was that they had a sax player amongst their ranks which i assumed at the time was good 'ol uncle Nik. don't know if that was the same picture that you were refering to but to my mind there was no doubt where the inspitarion for that picture came from! cheers dave From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 08:31:27 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:31:27 +0000 Subject: HW : Glasgow ticket prices Message-ID: Bloody hell, over ?20 (inc booking fee) for the gig at the Glasgow Cathouse!! I reckon the promoter might've shot himself/herself in the foot with this one... pretty much everyone I know isn't gonna pay that much (not being fanatics like myself!). It's sickening... probably woulda been about 10 folk going through from Edinburgh with me if it'd been cheaper... as it stands, it'll be two (and I have to pay for both... argh!!). This sorta price hardly encourages people to take a chance and check out the Hawks. It's the priciest out of all the dates it seems... and being a miserly, tight-fisted Scotsman I have to complain! Yeah, I'm still gonna go, but greedy promoters make me sick! Anyone know how much the Aberdeen ones are? I'm off to break open the piggy-bank... probably full of shillings and half-crowns... it's been a while! Dave From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Mar 9 08:41:42 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:41:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: St. Cecilia Message-ID: Saw the Stalk Forrest Group CD in my local record shop the other day, complete with an "As seen on the Internet" sticker. If it's not available online anymore (haven't checked) and anyone wants it, just let me know and we can set something up. Brian NP> The Purrs, "Socially Inept" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 12:22:15 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:22:15 GMT Subject: Available at last: Time Brothers - Space Ritual video Message-ID: A note from Dave Watson, who wrote the "Born To Go" History of Hawkwind. Friends and himself, The Time Brothers, spent a day filming themselves doing Hawkwind covers from the Space Ritual era. Some of you will be familiar with their previous material doing Hawkwind covers. I helped out a little on the day throwing a light switch now and again and everyone had a lot of fun. It's very much a production by Hawkwind fans for Hawkwind fans and I'm certain all their hard work will have given us something to enjoy. I'd encourage you to give them support on this one and certainly to pass this along to others who might be interested (Andy...). FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well here we are, one year on from Space Ritual Live in Lanark. In late July 2003 we began making this film, and over seven months of hard work later, it is finally in the can. A few technical bits and pieces have still to be done, but it is finally time to notify people of ordering details and of the deadline for placing orders, as it is time to start gathering in the money which will be needed to produce the copies. The film lasts 2 hours, and features the performance as caught on 4 cameras - those operated by the main 3-man film crew, plus footage from a camera located further back in the hall. All of the material was shot on the day. The soundtrack - a soundboard mixer feed - contains no overdubs; the music is live as played. The film has been produced on mini-DV tape for direct transfer onto DVD disc, for optimum quality. The maximum time available at decent resolution, on the mini-DV master and thus the DVD discs themselves, is 2 hours. As the actual set on the day, plus encore, lasted just over 129 minutes, almost 10 minutes had to be cut from the performance. As you can imagine, not just a lot of work, but a lot of money has been invested in the making of the film. We need to recoup costs, and in order to do this there are 2 options. Either we ask those associated with the performance to subsidise us - to share in the costs and commit money to the project - or we ensure that all copies are produced by, and bought from, by ourselves. We have opted for the latter option. This means that we will be pursuing in-built protection against copying by encrypting the discs so that the DVDs cannot be bootlegged at a financial loss to ourselves. Due to our costs, we need to pursue a ?record company line? on this one: we need your hard-earned dh. We are shopping around for the best deal we can get from production companies, and will therefore be placing a bulk order in a one-off deal to get everything produced at the best quality, for the best price, and at the same time. This means that you will need to think carefully about your requirements, as you will not be able to order any more DVDs at a later date. If you will be placing orders for items intended for, or on behalf of, friends and family, or if you want to order multiple copies for yourself, you will need to order everything at the same time. In other words, orders and money for all required items have to be with me no later than the deadline date specified below, so that I know how many to order, and have the funds upfront to pay for it. Surplus profit, over and above direct costs, will go to reimburse the expenses of those who have given their time, effort, and personal income to make this film. Colin, Douglas and I have incurred considerable costs, and the only form of renumeration will come from orders placed with us. Although I would like to recoup my expenses, at least in part, I have placed myself at the bottom of the queue. The deadline for orders and remittance to be received by me is Thursday 25 March. On that evening, I will be bundling up the last cheques, for deposit with the bank on the following morning, and the money will then go to fund the DVDs. No orders which are received after this date will be honoured; the remittance would simply be returned to the sender. At the moment, obviously, the exact date of despatch of orders is not known. It all hinges on when the finalised formats are ready for reproduction, and when the production job can be undertaken and completed. In both cases, this will be as soon as can be effected. O R D E R I N G D E T A I L S : SPACE RITUAL LIVE IN LANARK (running time: 2 hours) 1. Intro 12. Ten Seconds of Forever 2. Technicians of Spaceship Earth 13. Brainstorm 3. Born to Go 14. The Watcher 4. Down Through the Night 15. Sonic Attack 5. The Awakening 16. Time We Left (This World Today) 6. Lord of Light 17. Master of the Universe 7. The Black Corridor 18. Paranoia 8. Space is Deep 19. Earth Calling 9. Electronic No 1 20. Silver Machine 10. Orgone Accumulator 21. Welcome to the Future 11. Upside Down 22. You Shouldn?t Do Tht ________________________________________________________________________ DVD (All Regions) : ?20 Post & Packing : ?2 per item (recorded delivery) ________________________________________________________________________ Send Remittance to: Dave Watson 24 Tulloch Road Shotts Lanarkshire ML7 5LD Scotland From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Mar 9 12:45:55 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (mICHAEL b) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:15:55 +1030 Subject: Glasgow ticket prices Message-ID: 20 to see Hawkwind? Thats a bargain! ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: HW : Glasgow ticket prices > Bloody hell, over ?20 (inc booking fee) for the gig at the Glasgow > Cathouse!! I reckon the promoter might've shot himself/herself in the > foot with this one... pretty much everyone I know isn't gonna pay that much > (not being fanatics like myself!). It's sickening... probably woulda been > about 10 folk going through from Edinburgh with me if it'd been cheaper... > as it stands, it'll be two (and I have to pay for both... argh!!). This > sorta price hardly encourages people to take a chance and check out the > Hawks. It's the priciest out of all the dates it seems... and being a > miserly, tight-fisted Scotsman I have to complain! Yeah, I'm still gonna > go, but greedy promoters make me sick! > Anyone know how much the Aberdeen ones are? > I'm off to break open the piggy-bank... probably full of shillings and > half-crowns... it's been a while! > > Dave > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 12:56:05 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:56:05 +0000 Subject: HW : Re: Glasgow ticket prices In-Reply-To: <001001c405fe$609eabe0$eb0a3dcb@DrBlackman> Message-ID: Maybe to you my friend! To me it's pretty expensive... approaching double what it usually costs me to see bands in that kinda place. Don't get me wrong... I've spent hundreds of pounds on travelling to see 'em in the past, and will do again, and fully recognise they deserve to get paid a good amount. My problem is that the promoter has pegged the price higher than every other gig on the tour, and at a price that's gonna put off the more casual fan, and most definitely the take-a-chance-and-see-what-they're-like type person. All my friends - who are what I'd call the more casual sorta fan... ie. they like 'em okay, but aren't gonna make any special effort to see 'em, don't buy many of the records etc - NONE of them are going now. Maybe the gig'll sell out anyway and this will be nothing more than me moaning 'cos I'm a stingy git!! ;-) Dave At 04:15 10/03/2004 +1030, you wrote: >20 to see Hawkwind? Thats a bargain! > >------------------------------------- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:01 AM >Subject: HW : Glasgow ticket prices > > > > Bloody hell, over ?20 (inc booking fee) for the gig at the Glasgow > > Cathouse!! I reckon the promoter might've shot himself/herself in the > > foot with this one... pretty much everyone I know isn't gonna pay that >much > > (not being fanatics like myself!). It's sickening... probably woulda been > > about 10 folk going through from Edinburgh with me if it'd been cheaper... > > as it stands, it'll be two (and I have to pay for both... argh!!). This > > sorta price hardly encourages people to take a chance and check out the > > Hawks. It's the priciest out of all the dates it seems... and being a > > miserly, tight-fisted Scotsman I have to complain! Yeah, I'm still gonna > > go, but greedy promoters make me sick! > > Anyone know how much the Aberdeen ones are? > > I'm off to break open the piggy-bank... probably full of shillings and > > half-crowns... it's been a while! > > > > Dave > > From millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 13:24:48 2004 From: millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK (Millennia) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:24:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Release Info Message-ID: Same here please, (again). :) Hawkfest 3 (2004)? - Small, quiet and remote would be perfect. I enjoyed many of the bands on the last two hawkfests, but only one band really counts! If the organisers wanted to cut the line up (to a choice few to make organisation/cost benefits), I'd still have a superb weekend. I'm sure others would agree. QUALITY NOT QUANTITY :) But longs it still happens ....... please neil pp3064 ----- Original Message ----- From: "PETER WILKINSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: Re: HW: Release Info > Rik, Colin, KRis, anybody.....a few of us passie holders have been asking > for any info re hawkfest 2004. I've posted a couple of emails recently on > behalf of me and 8 friends who are all passport holders. So why the stony > silence? It would be really nice to get some sort of 'official' reaction > considering we're dedicated long term warriors... > Could someone in the know please acknowledge > > Petertrance > > > >From: Rik Rx > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: HW: Release Info > >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:49:36 -0500 > > > >++ + STAR WARRIORS + + + > > > >Release Note: A "live VCD" has recently been offered for sale from various > >outlets. This is essentially a bootleg and should be treated as such - the > >band has not sanctioned the release and will get nothing from it - avoid ! > > > >We will be releasing details of official releases very soon - keep an eye > >on Mission Control ! > > > >www.hawkwind.com > > > >+++ + + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 9 13:41:26 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:41:26 -0500 Subject: Available at last: Time Brothers - Space Ritual video In-Reply-To: <200403091722.i29HMF23024121@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 05:22:15PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => A note from Dave Watson, who wrote the "Born To Go" History of Hawkwind. [...] => -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] => This => means that we will be pursuing in-built protection against copying by => encrypting the discs This sounds like an open challenge to Chris Gibbs!! >;-) (On a more on-topic note, this does mean the disc will still play on all consumer and computer DVD players, right? It's not like those broken audio CDs that are apparently popular in Europe, is it?) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 13:43:33 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:43:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfest In-Reply-To: <001701c40603$cf71b260$8a7da851@anon> Message-ID: Yeah, I'd agree with this... really, it was only Hawkwind and Arthur Brown I was interested in last year... the other stuff just wasn't really my cup o' tea. I dunno how much of the expenditure went on bands though. If it has to be smaller to make it financially viable, then go for it! The Eclipse thing in '99 was pretty small and I loved that one! As long as it happens one way or another then I'll be happy... Dave At 18:24 09/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Same here please, (again). :) > >Hawkfest 3 (2004)? - Small, quiet and remote would be perfect. > >I enjoyed many of the bands on the last two hawkfests, but only one band >really counts! > >If the organisers wanted to cut the line up (to a choice few to make >organisation/cost benefits), I'd still have a superb weekend. I'm sure >others would agree. > >QUALITY NOT QUANTITY :) > >But longs it still happens ....... please >neil >pp3064 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "PETER WILKINSON" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: HW: Release Info > > > > Rik, Colin, KRis, anybody.....a few of us passie holders have been asking > > for any info re hawkfest 2004. I've posted a couple of emails recently on > > behalf of me and 8 friends who are all passport holders. So why the stony > > silence? It would be really nice to get some sort of 'official' reaction > > considering we're dedicated long term warriors... > > Could someone in the know please acknowledge > > > > Petertrance > > > > > > >From: Rik Rx > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: HW: Release Info > > >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:49:36 -0500 > > > > > >++ + STAR WARRIORS + + + > > > > > >Release Note: A "live VCD" has recently been offered for sale from >various > > >outlets. This is essentially a bootleg and should be treated as such - >the > > >band has not sanctioned the release and will get nothing from it - avoid >! > > > > > >We will be releasing details of official releases very soon - keep an eye > > >on Mission Control ! > > > > > >www.hawkwind.com > > > > > >+++ + + +MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 14:58:06 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:58:06 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind DVD In-Reply-To: <200403091147.i29Blkqs021517@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Never seen another pic that's similar, but the DVD cover is from the Rodney Matthews illustrated version of Moorcock's Elric At The End Of Time, published by Paper Tiger in 1987. I thought the DVD cover was a new pic until I checked back to the book and saw it was the same one (although only half of it, probably the other half is on the back of the DVD cover). That pic has always struck me as being a bit HW-ish, although the inclusion of a sax-player might be seen as a tad tactless these days ;-) Apparently some of the artwork was also in a RM calendar in 1983 so perhaps you saw it there. AL --- M Holmes wrote: > Looking at the cover of the DVD, which is Rodney Matthews "Encore At > The > End of Time", do I correctlky recall a similar picture of a band by > RM > from some time back, which in some ways did resemble Hawkwind? Or is > that cider playing tricks again? > > FoFP ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Mar 9 16:34:33 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:34:33 -0000 Subject: Available at last: Time Brothers - Space Ritual video Message-ID: Yehhhhhh - I'll sell it for them - all I need is a preview copy and then if it meets up with requirements, we're on the case. You know where to find me. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Available at last: Time Brothers - Space Ritual video > A note from Dave Watson, who wrote the "Born To Go" History of Hawkwind. > Friends and himself, The Time Brothers, spent a day filming themselves > doing Hawkwind covers from the Space Ritual era. Some of you will be > familiar with their previous material doing Hawkwind covers. I helped > out a little on the day throwing a light switch now and again and > everyone had a lot of fun. It's very much a production by Hawkwind fans > for Hawkwind fans and I'm certain all their hard work will have given us > something to enjoy. I'd encourage you to give them support on this one > and certainly to pass this along to others who might be interested (Andy...). > > FoFP > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > Well here we are, one year on from Space Ritual Live in Lanark. In late > July 2003 we began making this film, and over seven months of hard work > later, it is finally in the can. A few technical bits and pieces have > still to be done, but it is finally time to notify people of ordering > details and of the deadline for placing orders, as it is time to start > gathering in the money which will be needed to produce the copies. > > The film lasts 2 hours, and features the performance as caught on 4 > cameras - those operated by the main 3-man film crew, plus footage from > a camera located further back in the hall. All of the material was shot > on the day. The soundtrack - a soundboard mixer feed - contains no > overdubs; the music is live as played. The film has been produced on > mini-DV tape for direct transfer onto DVD disc, for optimum quality. > The maximum time available at decent resolution, on the mini-DV master > and thus the DVD discs themselves, is 2 hours. As the actual set on the > day, plus encore, lasted just over 129 minutes, almost 10 minutes had to > be cut from the performance. > > As you can imagine, not just a lot of work, but a lot of money has been > invested in the making of the film. We need to recoup costs, and in > order to do this there are 2 options. Either we ask those associated > with the performance to subsidise us - to share in the costs and commit > money to the project - or we ensure that all copies are produced by, and > bought from, by ourselves. We have opted for the latter option. This > means that we will be pursuing in-built protection against copying by > encrypting the discs so that the DVDs cannot be bootlegged at a > financial loss to ourselves. Due to our costs, we need to pursue a > 'record company line' on this one: we need your hard-earned dh. > > We are shopping around for the best deal we can get from production > companies, and will therefore be placing a bulk order in a one-off deal > to get everything produced at the best quality, for the best price, and > at the same time. This means that you will need to think carefully > about your requirements, as you will not be able to order any more DVDs > at a later date. If you will be placing orders for items intended for, > or on behalf of, friends and family, or if you want to order multiple > copies for yourself, you will need to order everything at the same time. > In other words, orders and money for all required items have to be with > me no later than the deadline date specified below, so that I know how > many to order, and have the funds upfront to pay for it. > > Surplus profit, over and above direct costs, will go to reimburse the > expenses of those who have given their time, effort, and personal income > to make this film. Colin, Douglas and I have incurred considerable > costs, and the only form of renumeration will come from orders placed > with us. Although I would like to recoup my expenses, at least in part, > I have placed myself at the bottom of the queue. > > The deadline for orders and remittance to be received by me is Thursday > 25 March. On that evening, I will be bundling up the last cheques, for > deposit with the bank on the following morning, and the money will then > go to fund the DVDs. No orders which are received after this date will > be honoured; the remittance would simply be returned to the sender. At > the moment, obviously, the exact date of despatch of orders is not > known. It all hinges on when the finalised formats are ready for > reproduction, and when the production job can be undertaken and > completed. In both cases, this will be as soon as can be effected. > > O R D E R I N G D E T A I L S : > > SPACE RITUAL LIVE IN LANARK (running time: 2 hours) > > 1. Intro 12. Ten Seconds of Forever > 2. Technicians of Spaceship Earth 13. Brainstorm > 3. Born to Go 14. The Watcher > 4. Down Through the Night 15. Sonic Attack > 5. The Awakening 16. Time We Left (This World Today) > 6. Lord of Light 17. Master of the Universe > 7. The Black Corridor 18. Paranoia > 8. Space is Deep 19. Earth Calling > 9. Electronic No 1 20. Silver Machine > 10. Orgone Accumulator 21. Welcome to the Future > 11. Upside Down 22. You Shouldn't Do Tht > ________________________________________________________________________ > > DVD (All Regions) : ?20 Post & Packing : ?2 per item (recorded delivery) > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Send Remittance to: Dave Watson > 24 Tulloch Road > Shotts > Lanarkshire ML7 5LD > Scotland From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Mar 9 18:40:12 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:40:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Spaced Out Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ For a limited time, "SPACED OUT IN LONDON" will be available via postal application. A form is available via Mission Control to print out and return with your remittance. . . . . www.hawkwind.com Direct URL: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 19:18:31 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:18:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Spaced Out Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Spaced Out > ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ > > For a limited time, "SPACED OUT IN LONDON" will be available via > postal application. A form is available via Mission Control to print out > and return with your remittance. . . . . Sorry to be pedantic but could you confirm this version of the CD will be the same as the shop released version? Is it two discs or one? I`ve seen comments about extra tracks on a new version, a 2CD version etc and some clarity of the situation would be appricated as I don`t have the money to get one now, only to discover and have to buy a longer version which turns up next months.. Cheers Si From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Tue Mar 9 19:33:02 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:33:02 -0700 Subject: HW: Spaced Out In-Reply-To: <195c01c40635$3f09b290$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: following the link on Mission Control it is one disk with this track listing: 1. Earth Calling 2. Aerospaceage Inferno 3. Angels of Death 4. Out of the Shadows 5. Time Captives 6. Master of the Universe 7. The Gremlin Song 8. Time And Confusion 9. Hurry On Sundown 10. Lighthouse 11. The Watcher 12. Assassins Of Allah 13. Do That 14. Earth Calling Don't know about any 2 disk version. Pretty pricey from the States, tho- over $31! Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Si Halley Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:19 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Spaced Out Subject: Re: HW: Spaced Out > ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ > > For a limited time, "SPACED OUT IN LONDON" will be available via > postal application. A form is available via Mission Control to print out > and return with your remittance. . . . . Sorry to be pedantic but could you confirm this version of the CD will be the same as the shop released version? Is it two discs or one? I`ve seen comments about extra tracks on a new version, a 2CD version etc and some clarity of the situation would be appricated as I don`t have the money to get one now, only to discover and have to buy a longer version which turns up next months.. Cheers Si From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 19:44:53 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:44:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Spaced Out Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Spaced Out > following the link on Mission Control it is one disk with this track > listing: Doh! Didn`t spot that link. Sorry I`ll go back and hide under my rock now. Si From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Mar 10 06:17:55 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:17:55 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Mar 2004 to 10 Mar 2004 (#2004-62) In-Reply-To: <200403101000.i2A6OuYK014005@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Subject: Re: HW: Release Info > > Rik, Colin, KRis, anybody.....a few of us passie holders have been > asking for any info re hawkfest 2004. I've posted a couple of emails > recently on behalf of me and 8 friends who are all passport holders. > So why the stony silence? Do the British government respond directly to Abu Hamza? Maxine From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Wed Mar 10 10:53:28 2004 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:53:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Spaced Out Message-ID: I suppose the double CD will be sold by Voiceprint as well? Can?t say old fashion mailorder is the easiest way. Hawkswede ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: HW: Spaced Out > ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ > > For a limited time, "SPACED OUT IN LONDON" will be available via > postal application. A form is available via Mission Control to print out > and return with your remittance. . . . . > > www.hawkwind.com > > Direct URL: > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Mar 10 16:10:49 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:10:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Martian Eclipse Message-ID: Anyone seen the photos of the Martian Eclipse? The 'Opportunity' lander on Mars has imaged the tiny Martian moons as they crossed the disk of the sun. (They're on the Sky and Telescope website if anyone's interested). Anyway, in Kris's book This is Hawkwind do not Panic, there is a picture of Nik and Stacia and in the background is a slide dipicting this very event painted by David Hardy. Its not that clear, but I know its that painting as I have Hardy's book 'Challenge of the Stars' from about '74 which includes it. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Wed Mar 10 18:36:06 2004 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:36:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Martian Eclipse Message-ID: Yep...check out these pics...it is in MS Powerpoint format...stunning indeed! http://www.deltawavecomm.com/mars.pps "It's pretty clear now that what looked like it might have been some kind of counterculture is, in reality, just the plain old chaos of undifferentiated weirdness." -- Jerry Garcia From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Mar 11 17:07:56 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:07:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Online Spaced Out Form Message-ID: Hi All I noticed there were a few people that could not get the word document for the Spaced Out form - so to make things easier, there's now an online form that prints out direct from your browser window. Either follow the link in Mission Control Updates www.hawkwind.com or, the direct URL is: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/temp/s_form.htm Hope that helps ! Rik From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Mar 11 17:28:06 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:28:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Online Spaced Out Form Message-ID: I looked on Mission control and saw that there is just one tee shirt available, shield design, but couldn't print that order form, is it still available if I write and are there other tee-sgirts on offer? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 06:10:23 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:10:23 GMT Subject: HW: Online Spaced Out Form In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > Hi All > > I noticed there were a few people that could not get the word document > for the Spaced Out form - so to make things easier, there's now an > online form that prints out direct from your browser window. > > Either follow the link in Mission Control Updates > www.hawkwind.com > > or, the direct URL is: > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/temp/s_form.htm Is this the same version of the CD we picked up at the gigs? FoFP From wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET Fri Mar 12 06:47:24 2004 From: wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET (Will Brehm) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:47:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Online Spaced Out Form Message-ID: What would really help is being able to order online with a credit card and not have to deal directly with currency conversion. - Will "I plan to live forever, or die trying" - Vila "Give me immortality or give me death" - Ralph Spoilsport From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 08:17:58 2004 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alogilvy at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:17:58 EST Subject: Vynil selloff Message-ID: Hi folks Due to need for much more space for storage..(In search of space ...? Oh well, never mind !!), Im having to sell some cherished vynil Possessions, including HW items. I'd rather they went to good homes, so I'm offering them on the list first.Any offers or anyone wanting further info please contact me off list. PICTURE DISCS Zones Stonehenge (dont panic) Out and Intake First album Approved history complete includes Brian tawns booklet and all 3 unplayed albums in Wallet Silver machine 7" UA not the mispress unfortunately Official picture log book with button badge, insert, all 3 Picture albums No 0600 Plus ALBUMS Live at stonehenge 22/6/83 white label Undisclosed Files White label Buisiness Trip...Double one disc clear one black Text of festival Alien 4 Ridicule signed by Dave Xenon codex Church of Hawkwind Slight scuff to front sleeve but with booklet Zones Stonehenge (flickknife single sleeve) Space ritual vol 2 Independent days 10" PXR5 original charisma no poster in the beginning 12" vynil singles EPs Night of the hawks Decide your future Quark Spirit of the age Area s4 Hawkwind Zoo Sonic assassins 25yrs Black vynil Silver machine Samurai picture sleeve (Bike) Plus singles Some Charisma including Kerb Crawler, some UA incuding urban guerilla No pic sleeves unfirtunately contact me offlist with offers or for info on other items Lots of Hawkfans, Trevors booklets, progs etc also Yours AL Sorry to those of you who feel this is the wrong use of the list, but i'm desperate to find good homes for all items. From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Mar 12 09:21:28 2004 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:21:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pseudo Sun Message-ID: Juba Nurmenniemi of Pseudo Sun has just made 2 vinyl LP?s of some wonderful music: 1. PSEUDO SUN: Live ghosts As the title suggests this is a live album, with the sound quality being very good. The two tracks on Side One were recorded at the German Hawkwind Festival in June 2000 with the line-up of Juba on bass & vocals, Mats Singh on guitar, Eric Lindesvaerd on drums + guests Santtu Laakso (of Dark Sun) and Scott Heller, both on synths + fx. The first one is the old Darxtar classic "Metal Fatigue" which really rocks, the second one is a 14 min version of "If I only had time" which was first released on PS?s second album "Atomic Dogs don?t bark". This live version features a longer jamming middle part which really is space rock as it should be. Side Two starts of with "Circle of light", an instrumental 5 min excerpt of a very long slow jam recorded at a club called Lilla Maria in Stockholm in Dec. 2000. The line-up is the same as on Side One but without the guests. Second Track is the classic "Signs of Life", from the very first ever PS gig at the Space Rock Festival in Jonkoping/Sweden, Aug. 15th, 1998. Again featuring the same 3 piece line-up this version is played much faster than the original studio version, especially Juba?s heavy bass (Rickenbacker) playing is fantastic. The last track is a 3 and 1/2 min extract of a pretty fast jam at the Hamburg festival called "Time storm". All in all a great live album. For those people who don?t like Juba?s voice (and there are some I believe) there?s not too much of it on this album. 2. ACHILLEUS: Achilleus Achilleus is the band that existed from 1982 to 1984 and featured future Darxtar members Patric Danielson on drums, Juba on bass and "Dark Lord" Soren Martensson on Keyboards. Bjorn Jacobson played Guitar & and sang all the (swedish) songs. The only released material by this band was a single ("Allt vi begar"/"Obergs Praster") and a private Cassette ("AV"). So this LP is a sort of "Best of" of the recorded unreleased stuff which must be some 30 or 40 songs according to Juba. It contains 8 songs altogether, 5 on Side One, 3 on Side Two. Musically this is more progressive rock than spacerock, but hints of the Darxtar sound of are already there, at least partly. Ok, the swedish language might sound strange to some ears, but the music itself and the songs (real songs) are very good. "Snabbare an Tiden" features even some synth swooshing and is a more spacier song. The best track to my ears is the first one on side 2 "I vantan pa nagot Battre", some 12 min long. Overall it?s a very interesting and enjoyable album, sounding nothing like being made in the early 80?s, feels more like produced in the early 70?s. Apart from that I cannot compare this band to any other band, the sound being quite unique. For those people who don?t like Juba?s voice (and there are some I believe) he?s not singing on this album (well, apart for some backing vocals I assume). You can get these ltd. ed. LP?s (Achilleus is limited to 150 copies, and PS only 130 copies) via: warp9.to/pseudosun the prices are: 10 UK pounds 15 Euro 20 US dollars including p&p Andreas From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Fri Mar 12 15:32:36 2004 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:32:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Truck Message-ID: did anybody spot this ugly item? http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3278934049&category= 13284 This seller has a huge collection of trucks..... -- BArt From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 07:31:31 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:31:31 EST Subject: Choose Your Masques CD... Message-ID: Shameless self promotion, but you might want to know I've just put this on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43652& item=4001955560&ssPageName=STRK:MEASE:IT Steve. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Mar 14 07:00:53 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:00:53 EST Subject: More HW on ebay... Message-ID: I've just put a couple more Hawkwind items on Ebay. Out & Intake DOJO CD: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43652& item=4002108846&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT and the CHAOS video, recorded just up the road from me back in 1986 at Preston's Guildhall: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60980& item=3393576577&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT End of transmission. Steve. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Mon Mar 15 18:03:47 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:03:47 EST Subject: Orgone Accumulator... Message-ID: ...It's got to be included in the set list. Anyone know of a good watering hole meet up point for the Portsmouth show? Never been there before. Preferably real ale and a good attitude! Like Preston... those were the daze! There's a cracking live music venue here in Preston now called the Mill... http://www.themillpreston.com/ Would be great to see The Hawks back here again. Rock and Roll! Steve. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Mar 15 20:55:22 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:25:22 +1030 Subject: pop up killer software Message-ID: If anyone was to ask me if I would recomend a software pop up killer product called EXIT KILLER - I would have to say no. and I would warn people away from it. They dont reply to tech support questions and pop ups still pop up ocassionally. From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Mar 16 10:40:25 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:40:25 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Museum - the site the stars talk to! ;-) Message-ID: apologies for those who may have already recieved a very similar message, however people on the list may be interested in a new interview that i have just posted to the museum web site with daytime TV star and big time hawkfan Matthew wright, hopefully it provides a little insight into his love of the band as well as his thoughts about his performance with them at the Astoria last year, to have a read, click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/the4.htm hope you enjot it, all the best Dave p.s as always feedback appreciated From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 10:56:05 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:56:05 EST Subject: Hawkwind Museum - the site the stars talk to! ;-) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2004 10:42:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, dplaw at IC24.NET writes: http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/the4.htm excellent stuff....thnks! Bill From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Mar 17 04:58:48 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (Warburton, Chris (OAG)) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:58:48 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Michael wrote: >If anyone was to ask me if I would recomend a software pop up killer >product called EXIT KILLER - I would have to say no. and I would warn >people away from it. > >They dont reply to tech support questions and pop ups still pop up >ocassionally. Hey, just ditch Intersnot Exploiter, use Mozilla Firefox & Agnitum Outpost firewall Both of them free (as in beer)... & Mozilla is open source too! Cheers ChrisW ObCD: Califone - Heron King Blues From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 17 11:43:21 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:43:21 +0100 Subject: HW:/OFF: Burg Herzberg/Cornberg... Message-ID: Hey Folks... If anyone was still thinking about planning a trip to Deutschland for Burg Herzberg (Hawkwind's still on, yeah?) on 15-18 July, 2004...you should note that the following week at the same grounds, there's to be another "Cornberg" festival* (note that the last two times it ended up cancelled, so...put a *maybe* in there perhaps) on 22-25 July. And here (I guess) is the intended lineup...some tasty stuff there too obviously. So maybe some folks might want to consider *two* music weekends bookending a 4-day sight-seeing tour around central Germany. ? *the thinkprogressive.de site is pretty confusing, but I assume this is what they're intending it to be called Jethro Tull Groundhogs Blodwyn Pig Carl Palmer Alias Eye Sunya Beat (Harald Grosskopf's project) On Trial Kirsche und Co. Alex Oriental She's China Amon D??l 2 Twin Dragons Wishbone Ash Kozmic Blue Outskirts of Infinity (Bari Watts' band!) Bevis Frond Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Oh, and BTW, Amon Duul II is supposed to go to the US this summer to play at ProgDay in North Carolina. Interesting news. From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 17 11:45:35 2004 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:45:35 +0000 Subject: pop up killer software Message-ID: You'll find as you get older this becomes less of a problem....... ......so I've been told. Tom > pop ups still pop up = >ocassionally. > >------------------------------ > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 17 12:12:45 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:12:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Old masters In-Reply-To: <000701c3e213$8d42d810$93473518@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Stephe wrote: > Why should Alan bother? He's much better than Lemmy. He's good enough to not > waste his time on covers. Well, I think there's a big genre gap now. Alan's keyboard skills are obviously greater than Lemmy, and maybe he's even a more technically able player, but Lemmy never plays that sort of show-off music now. Equally, Alan can't write rock'n'roll like Lemmy can. And there's still an attack Lemmy has which is entirely personal which Alan can't replicate. Alan's a better space bassist now, though whether he's better than Lemmy was for 1973 Hawkwind, I'm less sure. Lemmy's better for Motorhead, being all-round frontman/musician/song-writer in a way that Alan's not. I mean, Phil Campbell (hell, Jerry Richards too) is a technically better player than Dave Brock. But Dave's irreplaceable, because of the way he plays being so personal. Meanwhile, I've no urge to hear what Phil's solo material sounds like and I'm not over-impressed with what I've heard of Jerry's so I guess I *would* rather they played someone else's songs. Do you know what I mean? And there's a technicality to both Dave's and Lemmy's (and Alan's) sound which is down to how they like to play and similarly isn't replicable by someone else using different kit, and that's part of the experience too. Just my two penn'orth, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Mar 17 16:48:40 2004 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:48:40 +0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Hi, MUCH BETTER.... Ditch MS crap operating systems and run linux and have your pc working - not crashing. OK Wintendo XP is a half way decent games platform but beyond that its completely disfunctional Chris Now thats evangalism;-) > > Hey, just ditch Intersnot Exploiter, use Mozilla Firefox & Agnitum > Outpost firewall > > Both of them free (as in beer)... & Mozilla is open source too! > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 17 16:59:17 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:59:17 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <4058C7B8.8000807@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 09:48:40PM +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: => MUCH BETTER.... => => Ditch MS crap operating systems and run linux and have your pc working - => not crashing. People who hate M$-Windows run Linux. People who love Unix run *BSD. :-) Linux people just need to let go. Ditch the M$-envy wannabe syndrome altogether and run *BSD, not Linux. That way, you'll have your computer (not just PC) running *reliably*. *BSD: no hype required. >;-) (Is that sufficient evangelism?:) Cheers, Paul. PS: More pertinent, perhaps to the original thread is that the problem lies with the browser---specifically, with M$IE. Other browsers, such as current Firefox, Mozilla, and even Netscape 7.1 (all available under M$-Windows) have built-in functionality that allow you to block unrequested popup windows in a configurable way via settings in Preferences. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Mar 17 17:46:59 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:46:59 -0700 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <20040317215917.GA843@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: The Google toolbar effectively blocks pop-ups while using MSIE. Over 550 ads blocked so far. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Off: pop up killer software PS: More pertinent, perhaps to the original thread is that the problem lies with the browser---specifically, with M$IE. Other browsers, such as current Firefox, Mozilla, and even Netscape 7.1 (all available under M$-Windows) have built-in functionality that allow you to block unrequested popup windows in a configurable way via settings in Preferences. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 17 19:52:58 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:52:58 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 03:46:59PM -0700, Mark Licht wrote: => The Google toolbar effectively blocks pop-ups while using MSIE. => Over 550 ads blocked so far. That's cool, so long as you don't mind running spyware on your system (http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html, item 6)... >;-) Sure, there are lots of add-ons and plugins for M$IE for blocking pop-ups. My point was that there are also browser alternatives that have this functionality as a built-in, designed feature. Unfortunately, some WWW sites are implemented such that using something other than M$IE is not an option... :-( Cheers, Paul. PS: The browser I use a lot (links -g) even has a built-in pop-up blocker! e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Mar 17 20:47:50 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:47:50 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Oh buggrit, here we go again. As a web developer, what standards do I develop for? WWW standards compliant browsers (ha!) or IE? Given that less than 5% of users use non-IE browsers - and, to quote Mr Dillon, "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error margin" I can either do what's morally right (develop to standards), or I can develop what 96% (in reality around 99.2% when it comes to sites I've worked on recently) of users can use. No contest. And don't tell me that you can develop complex, stylesheeted sites for IE that work perfectly well in Mozilla (Standards compliant my ar5e) based browsers, because there are significant differences between the implementations of CSS. As evidence, I give you the "padding" attribute. Right - my point has been made. I'll develop for my users, and frankly, that means developing for IE. Yes, there are browser alternatives to IE, some of them very good, but a) none of them are a patch on IE, and b) From my point of view, they should all die, horribly. I want one browser that all users have got. So I'm happy to go with IE. Sorry and all that. Cheers, Rich. ps. For those who insist on using browsers other than IE while still using a Windows machine, I present Netscape as evidence that YOU'RE WRONG. Can anyone tell me how you spell "Backward Compatibility"? pps. Mind you, probably not round here. (See spelling / rants passim) * Without browser rants to decorate it, life on a mailing list inhabited by pedants, hardware geeks and web developers is a pointless waste of time. * * That's why we're here. * > > => The Google toolbar effectively blocks pop-ups while using MSIE. > => Over 550 ads blocked so far. > > That's cool, so long as you don't mind running spyware on your system > (http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html, item 6)... >;-) > > Sure, there are lots of add-ons and plugins for M$IE for blocking > pop-ups. My point was that there are also browser alternatives that > have this functionality as a built-in, designed feature. > > Unfortunately, some WWW sites are implemented such that using > something other than M$IE is not an option... :-( > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: The browser I use a lot (links -g) even has a built-in pop-up > blocker! > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Wed Mar 17 22:16:41 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:16:41 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: I would have to agree with this sentiment. There are lots of computer dorks out there insisting on this or that browser, but you can only use those if you have loads of computer knowledge--"user friendly" isn't something considered in the least by these applications, which is exactly why they are marginalized and used only by those more or less in the computer field... few others can use or understand them. I would prefer to use IE which for my purposes is a completely straight-forward browser that gets the job done. john majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > Oh buggrit, here we go again. > > As a web developer, what standards do I develop for? WWW standards > compliant browsers (ha!) or IE? Given that less than 5% of users use non-IE > browsers - and, to quote Mr Dillon, "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error > margin" > > I can either do what's morally right (develop to standards), or I can > develop what 96% (in reality around 99.2% when it comes to sites I've worked > on recently) of users can use. > > No contest. > > And don't tell me that you can develop complex, stylesheeted sites for IE > that work perfectly well in Mozilla (Standards compliant my ar5e) based > browsers, because there are significant differences between the > implementations of CSS. As evidence, I give you the "padding" attribute. > > Right - my point has been made. I'll develop for my users, and frankly, > that means developing for IE. Yes, there are browser alternatives to IE, > some of them very good, but a) none of them are a patch on IE, and b) From > my point of view, they should all die, horribly. I want one browser that > all users have got. So I'm happy to go with IE. Sorry and all that. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ps. For those who insist on using browsers other than IE while still using a > Windows machine, I present Netscape as evidence that YOU'RE WRONG. Can > anyone tell me how you spell "Backward Compatibility"? > > pps. Mind you, probably not round here. (See spelling / rants passim) > > * Without browser rants to decorate it, life on a mailing list inhabited by > pedants, hardware geeks and web developers is a pointless waste of time. * > * That's why we're here. * > > > > > => The Google toolbar effectively blocks pop-ups while using MSIE. > > => Over 550 ads blocked so far. > > > > That's cool, so long as you don't mind running spyware on your system > > (http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html, item 6)... >;-) > > > > Sure, there are lots of add-ons and plugins for M$IE for blocking > > pop-ups. My point was that there are also browser alternatives that > > have this functionality as a built-in, designed feature. > > > > Unfortunately, some WWW sites are implemented such that using > > something other than M$IE is not an option... :-( > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > PS: The browser I use a lot (links -g) even has a built-in pop-up > > blocker! > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 03:01:16 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:01:16 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Wahey! Someone who agrees with me on this one. (Apologies for the "Mr Dillon" reference - I forgot which mailing list I was posting to!) :-) (I thought I was posting to Technique and Ferret (the virtual pub for techy types), not BOC-L!) Cheers, Rich. > I would have to agree with this sentiment. There are lots of computer dorks > out there insisting on this or that browser, but you can only use those if > you have loads of computer knowledge--"user friendly" isn't something > considered in the least by these applications, which is exactly why they are > marginalized and used only by those more or less in the computer field... > few others can use or understand them. I would prefer to use IE which for > my purposes is a completely straight-forward browser that gets the job done. > john majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > > Oh buggrit, here we go again. > > > > As a web developer, what standards do I develop for? WWW standards > > compliant browsers (ha!) or IE? Given that less than 5% of users use > non-IE > > browsers - and, to quote Mr Dillon, "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error > > margin" > > > > I can either do what's morally right (develop to standards), or I can > > develop what 96% (in reality around 99.2% when it comes to sites I've > worked > > on recently) of users can use. > > > > No contest. > > > > And don't tell me that you can develop complex, stylesheeted sites for IE > > that work perfectly well in Mozilla (Standards compliant my ar5e) based > > browsers, because there are significant differences between the > > implementations of CSS. As evidence, I give you the "padding" attribute. > > > > Right - my point has been made. I'll develop for my users, and frankly, > > that means developing for IE. Yes, there are browser alternatives to IE, > > some of them very good, but a) none of them are a patch on IE, and b) From > > my point of view, they should all die, horribly. I want one browser that > > all users have got. So I'm happy to go with IE. Sorry and all that. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ps. For those who insist on using browsers other than IE while still using > a > > Windows machine, I present Netscape as evidence that YOU'RE WRONG. Can > > anyone tell me how you spell "Backward Compatibility"? > > > > pps. Mind you, probably not round here. (See spelling / rants passim) > > > > * Without browser rants to decorate it, life on a mailing list inhabited > by > > pedants, hardware geeks and web developers is a pointless waste of time. * > > * That's why we're here. * > > > > > > > > => The Google toolbar effectively blocks pop-ups while using MSIE. > > > => Over 550 ads blocked so far. > > > > > > That's cool, so long as you don't mind running spyware on your system > > > (http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html, item 6)... >;-) > > > > > > Sure, there are lots of add-ons and plugins for M$IE for blocking > > > pop-ups. My point was that there are also browser alternatives that > > > have this functionality as a built-in, designed feature. > > > > > > Unfortunately, some WWW sites are implemented such that using > > > something other than M$IE is not an option... :-( > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > PS: The browser I use a lot (links -g) even has a built-in pop-up > > > blocker! > > > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > > > From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 05:45:56 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:45:56 -0000 Subject: Subject: Re: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: >From: Richard Lockwood >Subject: Re: Off: pop up killer software >Wahey! Someone who agrees with me on this one. That'd be 2 people. Although I would personally would love to see Microsnot fold & go under and everyone shift to 'open code' mentality - more expandable base operating systems etc the fact is, as Rich explains, 95% of users do use IE. Netscrape is the bain of my life and when I am asked to implement cross browser functionality I have to basically recode everything 3 times: once for IE - once for Netscrape 7x and again for Netscrape 4.7x. (NS 7 doesn't handle events from embedded media objects, 4.7 does.. that really spooked me!) Ouch - I'm a geek! Maxine From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Mar 18 08:15:06 2004 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:15:06 -0700 Subject: Ahhh, a mini-tour Message-ID: Hello to all, and to all who all who will be in Salisbury on April 20th. What a perfect date to see Hawkwind! Just the usual "where will we me meet, and who will be there?" question. And: I'll be seeing Binar at the National Space Centre in Leicester on 17th April (who used to be Spank The Dark Monkey) (http://www.spankthedarkmonkey.co.uk/), who are Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle, with a new and improved name. Recommended, of course. KevinSommers From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 18 09:43:09 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:43:09 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <033201c40c8b$05a16ff0$9300a8c0@brian> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 01:47:50AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: => Oh buggrit, here we go again. => => As a web developer, what standards do I develop for? WWW standards => compliant browsers (ha!) or IE? Given that less than 5% of users use non-IE => browsers - and, to quote Mr Dillon, "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error => margin" => => I can either do what's morally right (develop to standards), or I can => develop what 96% (in reality around 99.2% when it comes to sites I've worked => on recently) of users can use. => => No contest. No contest for me, either. Running M$IE is a non-issue in my case. Why? It won't run on my systems because I use non-x86 hardware. But then, as you state above, I am in error for not conforming like I should. (Points stern finger at self in admonishing fashion for not being like everyone else.) => Right - my point has been made. I'll develop for my users, and frankly, => that means developing for IE. Yes, there are browser alternatives to IE, => some of them very good, but a) none of them are a patch on IE, and b) From => my point of view, they should all die, horribly. I want one browser that => all users have got. So I'm happy to go with IE. Sorry and all that. Don't be sorry. Grab the work, now, whilst you can. When "Trustworthy Computing" swings into high gear, little independents like you will be out of a job anyway. Or, at the very least, begging the big boys for digital compliance signatures on the fruits of your labours so other "trustworthy" applications will not consider your work unclean and untouchable. So, make hay while the sun shines. (If you're not promoting standards you're promoting monopolies. Trustworthy Computing is a monopolist's wet dream come true.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 18 10:35:34 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <000701c40c97$6f2335b0$6701a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:16:41PM -0500, John Majka wrote: => I would have to agree with this sentiment. There are lots of computer dorks => out there insisting on this or that browser, but you can only use those if => you have loads of computer knowledge--"user friendly" isn't something => considered in the least by these applications, which is exactly why they are => marginalized and used only by those more or less in the computer field... => few others can use or understand them. I would respectfully suggest this is a myth fostered by a lack of practical experience. (Alternatively, would you care to name some of these computer dork-endorsed browsers?) For example, Mozilla is functionally identical to Netscape---a browser that predates M$IE and was (and still is) used by many non-technical people. Firefox is functionally very similar to the WWW browser aspect of Mozilla. (It is basically just a different underlying implementation.) Opera is very easy to use, and very fast. Some non-M$IE browsers support additional concepts not found in M$IE, like tabbed browsing. But, it has been my direct experience that non-technical users do not find such concepts innately difficult. (In fact, they welcome the features, in my experience.) Most non-technical people do not maintain their own computer systems, especially in the workplace. So, "user friendliness" (if you mean it to include installation, too) is a bit difficult to assess, because someone else does the heavy lifting in ensuring the system continues to run smoothly. As an aside, kiosk and embedded applications can have the dreaded "unusable" Unix behind them, putting paid to the de facto myth that anything using Unix is not "user friendly." User friendliness is affected hugely by ones prior knowledge. In other words, tasks will be easier if they map onto the way your brain is already accustomed to doing them. M$ committed a MAJOR usability faux pas, for example, when they introduced the concept of menu hiding in M$-Office, where least-recently used menu options are omitted from a pull-down menu, and are only revealed if you wait long enough or click on the chevrons at the bottom to reveal the entire menu. This approach (amongst other things) destroys spatial locality used by the brain to locate menu options quickly, because they, um..., keep moving about from where you remembered them to be. So, M$IE will be "user friendly" (despite its lack of useful features) if that is all you are used to (or what you are largely used to). Similarly, if you are raised on Opera, it will be "user friendly" and other browsers may seem strange and unnatural if you try and switch to them after having used Opera for a long time. A case in point is a non-technical friend I have who prefers to use Netscape. She had me put it on her machine at home and (clandestinely) at work. Why? Because she finds it more "user friendly" than M$IE. Why? Because she is "used" to Netscape. Why? I suspect because her use of WWW browsers predates the existence of M$IE, and so she never developed the brain patterns for the M$IE way of doing everything. (She first started using the WWW with Mosaic [remember that?], and then went onto Netscape and has used it ever since.) The thing she finds annoying is that she has to have M$IE on her system, because things like Windows Update will only work with M$IE. I keep having to remind her, "no, you can't get rid of it" every time she asks me why it is still there. Finally, you have to remember that, historically, M$IE copied a lot of the functionality/user interface of other browsers like Netscape to gain market share and acceptance. So, to decry those other browsers as not "user friendly" when they share a common usability lineage with M$IE is a bit odd. I guess I don't know, then, what you mean by the term "user friendly." In the end, the *real* reason M$IE is used by a lot of people is because M$IE is used by a lot of people. (Even Rich admitted that.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 18 11:05:26 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:05:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Ron Tree related album Message-ID: Just received an email catalogue update from a record dealer, and noticed this in the list: Capt Jesus and the Sun Ray Dream : The Day that Nebulan Exploded This, if memory serves, was one of Ron Tree's pre-HW bands. Anyone heard it? Comments? thanks Nick From millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 11:36:07 2004 From: millennia at ECLIPSE.CO.UK (Millennia) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:36:07 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Is this group moderated? What counts as 'off topic' and what counts as just 'boring'? Have added this conversation thread, to my spam blocker exclude list. Most people think hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. Actually, its stupidity. (Not a direct quote, but still FZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Off: pop up killer software > On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:16:41PM -0500, John Majka wrote: > > => I would have to agree with this sentiment. There are lots of computer dorks > => out there insisting on this or that browser, but you can only use those if > => you have loads of computer knowledge--"user friendly" isn't something > => considered in the least by these applications, which is exactly why they are > => marginalized and used only by those more or less in the computer field... > => few others can use or understand them. > > I would respectfully suggest this is a myth fostered by a lack of > practical experience. (Alternatively, would you care to name some of > these computer dork-endorsed browsers?) > > For example, Mozilla is functionally identical to Netscape---a browser > that predates M$IE and was (and still is) used by many non-technical > people. Firefox is functionally very similar to the WWW browser > aspect of Mozilla. (It is basically just a different underlying > implementation.) Opera is very easy to use, and very fast. Some > non-M$IE browsers support additional concepts not found in M$IE, like > tabbed browsing. But, it has been my direct experience that > non-technical users do not find such concepts innately difficult. (In > fact, they welcome the features, in my experience.) > > Most non-technical people do not maintain their own computer systems, > especially in the workplace. So, "user friendliness" (if you mean it > to include installation, too) is a bit difficult to assess, because > someone else does the heavy lifting in ensuring the system continues > to run smoothly. As an aside, kiosk and embedded applications can > have the dreaded "unusable" Unix behind them, putting paid to the de > facto myth that anything using Unix is not "user friendly." > > User friendliness is affected hugely by ones prior knowledge. In > other words, tasks will be easier if they map onto the way your brain > is already accustomed to doing them. M$ committed a MAJOR usability > faux pas, for example, when they introduced the concept of menu hiding > in M$-Office, where least-recently used menu options are omitted from > a pull-down menu, and are only revealed if you wait long enough or > click on the chevrons at the bottom to reveal the entire menu. This > approach (amongst other things) destroys spatial locality used by the > brain to locate menu options quickly, because they, um..., keep moving > about from where you remembered them to be. > > So, M$IE will be "user friendly" (despite its lack of useful features) > if that is all you are used to (or what you are largely used to). > Similarly, if you are raised on Opera, it will be "user friendly" and > other browsers may seem strange and unnatural if you try and switch to > them after having used Opera for a long time. > > A case in point is a non-technical friend I have who prefers to use > Netscape. She had me put it on her machine at home and > (clandestinely) at work. Why? Because she finds it more "user > friendly" than M$IE. Why? Because she is "used" to Netscape. Why? > I suspect because her use of WWW browsers predates the existence of > M$IE, and so she never developed the brain patterns for the M$IE way > of doing everything. (She first started using the WWW with Mosaic > [remember that?], and then went onto Netscape and has used it ever > since.) > > The thing she finds annoying is that she has to have M$IE on her > system, because things like Windows Update will only work with M$IE. > I keep having to remind her, "no, you can't get rid of it" every time > she asks me why it is still there. > > Finally, you have to remember that, historically, M$IE copied a lot of > the functionality/user interface of other browsers like Netscape to > gain market share and acceptance. So, to decry those other browsers > as not "user friendly" when they share a common usability lineage with > M$IE is a bit odd. I guess I don't know, then, what you mean by the > term "user friendly." > > In the end, the *real* reason M$IE is used by a lot of people is > because M$IE is used by a lot of people. > > (Even Rich admitted that.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 18 12:04:14 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:04:14 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 04:36:07PM -0000, Millennia wrote: => Is this group moderated? It is not actively moderated. => What counts as 'off topic' and what counts as just 'boring'? Usually, posts complaining about things being either off-topic or boring are themselves both. Going by past experience, these kind of "off-topic" diversions last about two or three iterations and then die a natural death. Most people just patiently wait them out. Of course, there are others who can't wait that long, especially given the very high volumes of e-mail that pass through this list. Cheers, Paul. PS: Personally, I find the flurries of "test" and "is this list still on?" messages that inevitably crop up during periods of excessive list quietness to be both boring and off-topic, but not sufficiently annoying or distracting as to enquire publicly about list moderation policies. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu Mar 18 14:04:38 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:04:38 +0100 Subject: Ron Tree related album Message-ID: I've got it,it's rather punky,Stooges,kind of thing. It's rather rare(only 500 copies,if my mind serves correct) Must say,it's not mindblowing but I rather like it. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: HW: Ron Tree related album > Just received an email catalogue update from a record dealer, and noticed > this in the list: > > Capt Jesus and the Sun Ray Dream : The Day that Nebulan Exploded > > This, if memory serves, was one of Ron Tree's pre-HW bands. Anyone heard > it? Comments? > > thanks > > Nick > > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 14:25:26 2004 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:25:26 -0000 Subject: Ahhh, a mini-tour Message-ID: Will be at Salisbury, though whether in time for beer, who knows????? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Ahhh, a mini-tour > Hello to all, and to all who all who will be in Salisbury on April 20th. > What a perfect date to see Hawkwind! Just the usual "where will we me meet, > and who will be there?" question. > And: I'll be seeing Binar at the National Space Centre in Leicester on 17th > April (who used to be Spank The Dark Monkey) > (http://www.spankthedarkmonkey.co.uk/), who are Andy Pickford and Paul > Nagle, with a new and improved name. Recommended, of course. > > KevinSommers > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Mar 18 15:22:52 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:22:52 -0500 Subject: HW: New Album / Single Info Message-ID: ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + + + + + NEW ALBUM/SINGLE: Our new album, titled "Take me to your Leader" is now finished and is currently being pressed. A single, 'Spirit of the age', will also be coming out soon and will be promoted on radio etc. anytime now, so keep your ears open! We are currently finalising a promo video for the album and single, which is set in a laboratory in space! We will release more details about all of the above releases as soon as all systems are GO......... + + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + www.hawkwind.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 18 15:36:16 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:36:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Ron Tree related album Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:05:26 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >Just received an email catalogue update from a record dealer, and noticed >this in the list: > >Capt Jesus and the Sun Ray Dream : The Day that Nebulan Exploded > >This, if memory serves, was one of Ron Tree's pre-HW bands. Anyone heard >it? Comments? I have both Captain Jesus albums (the other one is 'All Thanks To Lord Jesus Christ Amen'). Ron plays bass, and a bit of keyboard, but does not sing at all. I love both of the albums, and think they're great examples of psychedelic punk (they cover the Sex Pistols and MC5). If you like that sort of music, and think (as I do) that Ron really kicks out the jams on bass, you'll almost certainly like these albums. And, if anyone is interested, I have transferred my vinyl copies to CD-R, so I can easily provide listening copies. The LP's are great looking though, with white labels and hand-stamped (it appears) sleeves. Very DIY/private-press looking. And just a bit too weird to look truly "punk". -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 16:04:49 2004 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:04:49 -0000 Subject: HW: New Album / Single Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: See, Its worth sticking through all the OFF stuff - that's if you haven't switched it OFF. Good news indeedy Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: 18 March 2004 20:23 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: New Album / Single Info ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + + + + + NEW ALBUM/SINGLE: Our new album, titled "Take me to your Leader" is now finished and is currently being pressed. A single, 'Spirit of the age', will also be coming out soon and will be promoted on radio etc. anytime now, so keep your ears open! We are currently finalising a promo video for the album and single, which is set in a laboratory in space! We will release more details about all of the above releases as soon as all systems are GO......... + + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + www.hawkwind.com From terry at TMK.COM Thu Mar 18 16:49:51 2004 From: terry at TMK.COM (Terry Kennedy) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:49:51 -0500 Subject: It's that time (moving day) again 8-} Message-ID: Greetings to the citizens of BOC-L! We'll be upgrading the server that the BOC-L list runs on (actually, we're moving the list from one system to another one). This means that there *should* be no user-visible changes during / after the move, but as they say: "Nothing can go wrong... go wrong... go wrong...", so I'm sending out this email to let you know that something is about to hap- pen. I anticipate that I'll be performing the actual move some time Sat- urday (the 20th) night. I'll shut down the existing server, copy all of the files over and start it up on the new server. I'll keep both of the servers shut down for about 2 hours to allow the DNS changes to be effective. I'll send another message after the list is back up on the new sys- tem and ready for use. As always, if you encounter any problems that you think might be re- lated to this move, feel free to email me... Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry at tmk.com New York, NY USA From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Mar 18 17:43:34 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:43:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Crows Nest Records Chicago In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For anyone near Enough in Illinois: FYI: Crows Nest Records Chicago is Closing Down. Bargains Galore. Crows Nest is Closing :-( They are selling off everything. Any CD less than 18.98$ is on sale for $10.98, everything else is 25% off, except imports which are a whopping 40% off. Note they have a damn good selection, especially imports. They have a pretty good set of HW/Related stuff, as well as Gong and Related. Closing day is 2nd April. Their lease has been pulled. The staff have said the owners have bought into another shop 'Rock?' records elsewhere in Chicago. Sigh... cosmicdolphin From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 18 19:20:22 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <20040318170414.GA4362@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Paul Mather wrote: > => Is this group moderated? > > It is not actively moderated. > > => What counts as 'off topic' and what counts as just 'boring'? > > Usually, posts complaining about things being either off-topic or > boring are themselves both. > > Going by past experience, these kind of "off-topic" diversions last > about two or three iterations and then die a natural death. I wasn't going to reply to this thread but call me a geek because I found it interesting, more so than some musty rusty vinyl somebody found in a record shop's going-out-of business sale. Hey anybody see School of Rock? That's me now! Al PS I think I just hate computers in general. I used to think Apple was cool but it's all the same cobbled code that gobbles processing power and makes you have to buy a newer faster computer. Bah humbug! PPS OTOH it's making me learn UNIX which is not a bad thing really. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 20:17:16 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:17:16 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Taken off list - if anyone wants to argue their point, then email me direct. It's nothing to do with BOC or HW, so lets keep it off list.# Cheers, Rich. (Oh - and to keep it on-topic, I am actually listening to Secret Treaties as I type this) :-) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Mar 18 20:42:18 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:42:18 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <35F49F18-793B-11D8-BB31-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 07:20:22PM -0500 Message-ID: Pop killer software? Hmmmm, that'd be the utility for searching out those pesky Britney Spears MP3s that have somehow found their way onto your machine, and trashing them with extreme prejudice. Kind of like anti(music)virus S/W, right? (Of course, it'd need to be configurable: leave those Sweet MP3s alone, dammit!) On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 07:20:22PM -0500, Albert Bouchard wrote: Al> I wasn't going to reply to this thread I've been trying to resist too, but I find I just can't... On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:35:34AM -0500, Paul Mather wrote: Paul> In the end, the *real* reason M$IE is used by a lot of people is Paul> because M$IE is used by a lot of people. And the real reason for *that* was amply documented by Judge Jackson a couple of years back. Feh! Al> PPS OTOH it's making me learn UNIX which is not a bad thing really. In fact, it can be kinda fun. Welcome! (Wow, seeing you mention UNIX reminds that I was just starting to explore it when The Reaper was on the charts. Yikes!) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 02:19:37 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:19:37 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software Message-ID: Hey Albert, do you have an LP-ROM drive? :-) Cheers, Rich. > > I wasn't going to reply to this thread but call me a geek because I > found it interesting, more so than some musty rusty vinyl somebody > found in a record shop's going-out-of business sale. > From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:37:47 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:37:47 -0000 Subject: Subject: Re: HW: New Album / Single Info Message-ID: ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + + + + + >NEW ALBUM/SINGLE: Our new album, titled "Take me to your Leader" is >now finished and is currently being pressed. A single, 'Spirit of the >age', will also be coming out soon and will be promoted on radio etc. >anytime now, so keep your ears open! What is on the 'B' side? If it's a success how about doing a follow up single with 'Brainbox Pollution' - I think of all the 'live' versions I have heard recently that one sounds the most 'modern'... just a thought (I would suggest Hassan as Asian music is pretty popular at the mo, bangra styley, but it's a bit 'sensitive'?) Maxine From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 19 15:09:35 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:09:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Ron Tree related album Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:36:16 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: >I have both Captain Jesus albums (the other one is 'All Thanks To Lord >Jesus Christ Amen'). Ron plays bass, and a bit of keyboard, but does not >sing at all. I love both of the albums, and think they're great examples >of psychedelic punk (they cover the Sex Pistols and MC5). If you like >that sort of music And you know I do! Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Nick From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 19 16:04:25 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:04:25 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com Message-ID: re: www.judgetrev.com erm, your inbox is over quota so i'm responding in full outrageous public view weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeee Hi Richard, Aha, I agree that the form might detract a little from the content but I think it's more a matter of Art above Form. As an artist and not a technician, I feel that the design of websites should primarily be designed to reflect the subject rather than reflect the web designers tastes. In my case - Whizzy and Whooshy. This is one of the basic precepts of creating "Art". I mean do you want - a world of grey efficient formulas - or one of vibrant unpredictable humanity? You see, existing like wot i do, not in material form, but as a Godlike entity cavorting with the Immortals, such things as dynamic drives, IE6's and 5% error margins are as particles of dust, lost in the Mighty Cosmic Wind of Truth. I'm sure there are many areas you could help with though - how to technically maximise accessability, you know, which servers, metatags etc, all the dirty web tricks. So there lol Judge Trev RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: trev Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: Re: RFM update - new website - Judge Trev (inner city unit/spaceritual/etc) AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! It's very whizzy (haven't tried it in Mozilla based browsers yet), but it's very much "form over content". I've not really looked at the content - the whizzy bits (Dynamic Drive slidey menus etc) take the focus away from what you're saying and make people go "Whoooo! Look at the whizzy things!" Sorry an' all that - but from a professional's point of view - lose the whizzy things, and keep the content concise simple and to the point. (I've not looked at it in any other browser other than IE6, but frankly, if it works in that I wouldn't worry about anything else. When people tell you "Yes, very nice, but 5% of people don't use Internet Explorer", you reply "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error margin.") If you want a chat about it, feel free to drop me a line. Just an idea, Cheers, Rich. > > > From _jt at COX.NET Fri Mar 19 16:17:12 2004 From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:17:12 -0600 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: trev wrote: > Sorry an' all that - but from a professional's point of view - lose the > whizzy things, and keep the content concise simple and to the point. (I've > not looked at it in any other browser other than IE6, but frankly, if it > works in that I wouldn't worry about anything else. When people tell you > "Yes, very nice, but 5% of people don't use Internet Explorer", you reply > "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error margin.") That's silly. IE is a malfunctioning twit on Macintosh OS X, isn't so great on older versions of the mac os, and isn't available at all for linux and bsd fans. I'd recommend giving a site a once-over using Mozilla, and if it looks good on Mozilla AND IE, then saying it's done. If it looks good on Mozilla it's going to look good on a lot of browsers on a lot of platforms. But if it's horribly broken for Mozilla and requires IE, then you're certainly shutting out linux and bsd users as well as the majority of mac users who have given up on IE for Mac just as Microsoft has. That said, the site runs great on Mozilla / Firefox. Nicely done. From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 16:30:28 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:30:28 +0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com In-Reply-To: <405B6358.4000403@cox.net> Message-ID: As a newish computer user ( and Mac user) can anyone explain in simple but not patronising terms what I need to do to stop pop-ups/ I'd be really grateful. Paul. On Friday, Mar 19, 2004, at 21:17 Europe/London, Jeff Thompson wrote: > trev wrote: > >> Sorry an' all that - but from a professional's point of view - lose >> the >> whizzy things, and keep the content concise simple and to the point. >> (I've >> not looked at it in any other browser other than IE6, but frankly, if >> it >> works in that I wouldn't worry about anything else. When people tell >> you >> "Yes, very nice, but 5% of people don't use Internet Explorer", you >> reply >> "5% isn't significant, 5% is an error margin.") > > That's silly. IE is a malfunctioning twit on Macintosh OS X, isn't > so great on older versions of the mac os, and isn't available at all > for linux and bsd fans. I'd recommend giving a site a once-over using > Mozilla, and if it looks good on Mozilla AND IE, then saying it's > done. If it looks good on Mozilla it's going to look > good on a lot of browsers on a lot of platforms. But if it's > horribly broken for Mozilla and requires IE, then you're certainly > shutting out linux and bsd users as well as the majority of mac > users who have given up on IE for Mac just as Microsoft has. > > That said, the site runs great on Mozilla / Firefox. Nicely done. > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 19 17:41:01 2004 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:41:01 +0000 Subject: HW:Blinding newsEsp.Video!! Message-ID: I'm on cloud nine guys!! You guys are just gettig it together (any London Gig?) and David Byrnes new cd's just out (seeing him 9/4 and now this too!)Aprils gonna be tops!!Anyone going to Dublin?? I've gotta place to stay about 1 1/4 hours west of Dub but no transport that time of night !! An I suppose noone wil be in any state to drive any way!!Silly Idea but poss??Keep the faith !! yadnala.'n andi.I'm wicked an I'm lazy.............. >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: New Album / Single Info >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:22:52 -0500 > >++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + + + + + > >NEW ALBUM/SINGLE: Our new album, titled "Take me to your Leader" is now >finished and is currently being pressed. A single, 'Spirit of the >age', will also be coming out soon and will be promoted on radio etc. >anytime now, so keep your ears open! We are currently finalising a promo >video for the album and single, which is set in a laboratory in space! We >will release more details about all of the above releases as soon as all >systems are GO......... > >+ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + > >www.hawkwind.com _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Mar 19 18:45:43 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:45:43 -0500 Subject: Off: pop up killer software In-Reply-To: <054001c40d82$896da3b0$9300a8c0@brian> Message-ID: On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:19 AM, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Hey Albert, do you have an LP-ROM drive? An unreasonable amount of space in my apartment is devoted to storing that LP-software, even though I listen to less than 1 record a week. CD are just so more convienient. I do like the sound of rusty musty vinyl though. From hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM Fri Mar 19 21:53:34 2004 From: hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM (Dr. T.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:53:34 -0500 Subject: NIK: Yet another pioneering effort Message-ID: Found while looking for other things, an interesting blog article about Vinyl Encoded Data - see http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000053.html >From the site " The most ordinary of these vinyl-encoded programs are purely informational. Inner City Unit, a spinoff from Hawkwind, released an album called 'New Anatomy' in 1984. The last song on side two - 'Hectic Electric' consists of the audio pulses of a program that can be recorded to cassette and loaded into a 48k Sinclair Spectrum. When run, the program reportedly displays "a comprehensive description of the band, their recordings and tour schedules, etc." I was unable to find this program data online, but the track has been included on the CD reissue." Perhaps there's more to that digital noise than we supposed... From denis at PTI-INC.DE Sat Mar 20 04:12:15 2004 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:12:15 +0100 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul, On Mar 19, 2004, at 22:30 Uhr, pauleatonjones wrote: > As a newish computer user ( and Mac user) can anyone explain in simple > but not patronising terms what I need to do to stop pop-ups/ I'd be > really grateful. Paul. What browser are you using? If you're using "Safari" just press Command (that's the key with the Apple-symbol on it) and "K" together. You can also go to the Preferences and then click the Security button. You can now enable or disable Pop-Up Blocking. (c)IAO D+R From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 09:22:39 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:22:39 -0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com Message-ID: From: trev Subject: Re: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com >You see, existing like wot i do, not in material form, but as a Godlike >entity cavorting with the Immortals, Weren't you the scruffy grey haired one at Hawfest 2000/1?!! lol um err....Anon?! Judge Trev From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 09:55:56 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:55:56 +0000 Subject: Off: pop up killer software and judgetrev.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks very much Denis. I appreciate your help. Hope it works. Paul On Saturday, Mar 20, 2004, at 09:12 Europe/London, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Mar 19, 2004, at 22:30 Uhr, pauleatonjones wrote: > >> As a newish computer user ( and Mac user) can anyone explain in simple >> but not patronising terms what I need to do to stop pop-ups/ I'd be >> really grateful. Paul. > > What browser are you using? > If you're using "Safari" just press Command (that's the key with the > Apple-symbol on it) and "K" together. > You can also go to the Preferences and then click the Security button. > You can now enable or disable Pop-Up Blocking. > > (c)IAO > D+R > From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Mar 20 11:31:47 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:31:47 -0500 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST 2002 Release (Updated Graphics) Message-ID: + + + + STAR WARRIORS + + + + ++ Various Artists Releases : The double CD of HAWKFEST 2002 has been repressed with updated artwork and is available NOW from Voiceprint and your regular Hawkwind outlets such as CD Services. Visit the link(s) below for more details or to purchase. The CD is a perfect memento of the Festival for people that attended and the new booklet has loads of exclusive photos and feedback that captures the flavour of the event perfectly. The tracks on the CD include contributions from Bedouin, Huw Lloyd Langton, Spacehead, Litmus etc. so even if you didn't attend, you can still experience the first HAWKFEST....... More details: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/hf2002.htm Voiceprint Sales: http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Search/hawkwind/HAWKVP100CD Mission Control www.hawkwind.com + + + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + + From terry at TMK.COM Sat Mar 20 13:59:14 2004 From: terry at TMK.COM (Terry Kennedy) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:59:14 -0500 Subject: The server migration has been completed Message-ID: listserv.ispnetinc.net is now running on new hardware and all of the list stuff has been moved over. By the time you see this, the name servers should have the new IP address for listserv, assuming you aren't behind some sort of funky firewall. As always, if you see any problems, feel free to email me at the address in my .sig. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry at tmk.com New York, NY USA From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Mar 20 19:12:31 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:12:31 -0000 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST 2002 Release (Updated Graphics) Message-ID: Thanks Rik - it's been selling exceedingly well, too. Must give it more promotion as soon as things "return to normal" at CD Services. Two weeks to the Newcastle DVD - now THAT'S exciting!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: Re: HW: HAWKFEST 2002 Release (Updated Graphics) > + + + + STAR WARRIORS + + + + ++ > > Various Artists Releases : The double CD of HAWKFEST 2002 has been repressed with updated artwork and is available NOW from Voiceprint > and your regular Hawkwind outlets such as CD Services. Visit the link(s) below for more details or to purchase. > > The CD is a perfect memento of the Festival for people that attended and the new booklet has loads > of exclusive photos and feedback that captures the flavour of the event perfectly. > > The tracks on the CD include contributions from Bedouin, Huw Lloyd Langton, Spacehead, Litmus > etc. so even if you didn't attend, you can still experience the first HAWKFEST....... > > More details: > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/hf2002.htm > > Voiceprint Sales: > > http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Search/hawkwind/HAWKVP1 00CD > > Mission Control > > www.hawkwind.com > > + + + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + ++ + + From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 21 04:57:21 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:57:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Electronic, and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (March 21, 2004): We've just uploaded new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #101), The Electronic Cottage (show #6), Alchemical Radio (show #58), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #32). Our radio shows broadcast in RealAudio and can be streamed or downloaded. You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #101) Tungsten74 - "Trojan Carjacker/Didgetaldroo" (from Aleatory Element) Floorian - "Symptoms Alone" (from What The Buzzing) Church Of Hed - "The Lone Freak" (from Church Of Hed) Aether - "Red Maroon" (from In Between The Frames) Pandemonium Seesaw - "Orion One" (from The Moon Orion Project) ST 37 - "Retz (The Capital Of Venus) (from From Space w/Love) A.G. Cavinae - "Beyond The Farthest Star" (from Music To Listen To In The Dark) PXR.1 - "The Day The Earth Stood Still" (from Not Of This Earth: Sci-Fi Movies Tribute) Bruce Atchison - "Galactic Centre Club" (from Darkness Path) The Unintended - "So Long Goodbye" (from The Unintended) Smokin' Granny - "Iron Tongue Of Midnight" (from Equilibrium) The Electronic Cottage (show #6) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we review at Aural Innovations. The Electronic Cottage is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. The Interstellar Cementmixers - "Dimension Y" (from Dimension Y) Mental Anguish - "Insolence" (from Psykokinesis) Conrad Schnitzler - "00/117 <19-21>" (from Ponder This) Mental Anguish - "Sad Sad Life - Anguish Remix" (from Particles) Douglas Ferguson - "616" (from Lexical Passages) Groove Stream Attractor - "The Edge Of The World" (from Into The Vortex) Mental Anguish - "Drifter (Autocad Remix)" (from Drifter) Miles MacMillan - "Irreversable Fall Into An Abyss Of Obscurity" (from Alienated) Kent Sparling - "Pearl Rolling In An Open Palm" (from Leaf Spring) Mental Anguish - "Flares" (from All Alone) Alchemical Radio (show #58) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Introduction by Charles Goff III & Eric Matchet - Con Spiro See. Contact: www.geocities.com/padukem Troy Lukkarila - Saviour DJ Monkey - Hollywood And Vine The Motives Project - Deserve Skid Row - New Generation Pseudo Buddha - November 14 Smoke And Mirrors - Ring Around The Moon Atomic Jefferson - Small Potatoes Revolution Terry Munday - Eye Of Reason Dieter Born Zero Born Schlegal - Phase To Phase Exit Terra - Te Deum The Ceramic Hobs - Psychic Vampires Frank Gingeleit - Don't Know Where To Go (Neither Do I) Nectarphonic - Hands Ya-Ne-Zniyoo - Dingo Romislokus - Come Tomorrow Howl In The Typewriter - Extract From Grand Theft Audio The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #32) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we review at Aural Innovations. Satoko Fujii Quartet - "15 Minutes To Get To The Station" (from Zephyros) Natsuki Tamura Quartet - "Incident" (from Hada Hada) Nods Off - "Dadeedah Dadoodah" (from Live At Tellus) Moisten Before Use - "Reptiles" (from Still No Reply) Roderik De Man - "Air To Air" (from Electrified Music) Anatoly Pereslegin - "John" (from Passion Models) Antanas Jasenka - "Tonus" (from An Artist And A Plane) Eric Barber - "Rubric" (from Maybeck Constructions) Tiner/Phillips/Schoenbeck Trio - "Skujellifeddy" (from Breathe In, Feed Out) Brad Dutz & John Holmes - "Pig On Cow" (from My Bongo) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 06:44:30 2004 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alogilvy at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:44:30 EST Subject: NIK: Yet another pioneering effort Message-ID: Its true !! I have a copy, and, some time ago I had an old spectrum, and I actually did record it and load it. It had lyrics, biographical data, and an effects package that produced swirly effects on the monitor screen, (To go with the music), if I remember correctly. There were also bits about stonehenge and discographical info , if my memory serves. Al From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 16:18:31 2004 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:18:31 -0000 Subject: NIK: Yet another pioneering effort In-Reply-To: <11f.2c46be4a.2d8eda1e@aol.com> Message-ID: Yup, It was all written by Steve Pond if I remember correctly. Most of the biographical data now forms the history section of the innercityunit.com website. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sent: 21 March 2004 11:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: NIK: Yet another pioneering effort Its true !! I have a copy, and, some time ago I had an old spectrum, and I actually did record it and load it. It had lyrics, biographical data, and an effects package that produced swirly effects on the monitor screen, (To go with the music), if I remember correctly. There were also bits about stonehenge and discographical info , if my memory serves. Al From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 23 09:46:04 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:46:04 +0000 Subject: The One Eyed Bishops: seeking drummer for Barnet show: June 11th, 2004 Message-ID: Hello all, We're looking to add a full drumkit to the lineup for our opening night In Barnet, Herfordshire, Friday June 11th. Anyone intertested, please e-mail to: Sloterdijk at msn.com Here's some info about the show, including the lineup as it stands now: Cheers and all the very best...Mike Burro ( The One Eyed Bishops) June 11th: Barnet, Herfordshire: 'The Greenman' http://www.thegreenmanbarnet.co.uk ( see special announcement) Special lineup for this show includes: Paul Hirsh ( Voyager, Status Quo) http://www.paul-hirsh.com Mitch 'The Harp Hog' Logan ( harmonicas) Phil Smith: lead guitars http://www.headsmith.co.uk Andy Roberts: bass guitars http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AndyOnBass/ Dr. Maria Ramundo: Darbuka _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 10:06:01 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:06:01 GMT Subject: Subject: Re: HW: New Album / Single Info In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:37:47 -0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > If it's a success how about doing a follow up single with 'Brainbox > Pollution' - I think of all the 'live' versions I have heard recently > that one sounds the most 'modern'... just a thought (I would suggest > Hassan as Asian music is pretty popular at the mo, bangra styley, but > it's a bit 'sensitive'?) Buggr sensitivity. Let's put out Aerospaceage Inferno as the Hawkwind entry for the Eurovision Song Contest. FoFP From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Tue Mar 23 13:51:14 2004 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just noticed this... Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. Hawkwind Blues Band Rage Against The Machine Mogwai http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml Richard. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 23 17:00:59 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:00:59 +0000 Subject: The One Eyed Bishops: seeking drummer for Barnet show: June 11th, 2004 Message-ID: I neglected to add myself to the personnel roster: Mike Burro: guitar & vocals also the URL for the band: http://theoneeyedbsihsop.iuma.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:46:04 +0000 Hello all, We're looking to add a full drumkit to the lineup for our opening night In Barnet, Herfordshire, Friday June 11th. Anyone intertested, please e-mail to: Sloterdijk at msn.com Here's some info about the show, including the lineup as it stands now: Cheers and all the very best...Mike Burro ( The One Eyed Bishops) June 11th: Barnet, Herfordshire: 'The Greenman' http://www.thegreenmanbarnet.co.uk ( see special announcement) Special lineup for this show includes: Mike Burro: Guitar & vocals http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Paul Hirsh ( Voyager, Status Quo) http://www.paul-hirsh.com Mitch 'The Harp Hog' Logan ( harmonicas) Phil Smith: lead guitars http://www.headsmith.co.uk Andy Roberts: bass guitars http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AndyOnBass/ Dr. Maria Ramundo: Darbuka _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ? all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 23 17:05:03 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:05:03 +0000 Subject: OEBs seeking drummer for Barnet show: June 11th ( URL CORRECTION..sorry ) Message-ID: I am out of sorts today!!..I've gone and give the wrong URL sorry all. I neglected to add myself to the personnel roster: Mike Burro: guitar & vocals also the URL for the band: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:46:04 +0000 Hello all, We're looking to add a full drumkit to the lineup for our opening night in Barnet, Herfordshire, Friday June 11th. Anyone interested, please e-mail to: Sloterdijk at msn.com Here's some info about the show, including the lineup as it stands now: Cheers and all the very best...Mike Burro ( The One Eyed Bishops) June 11th: Barnet, Herfordshire: 'The Greenman' http://www.thegreenmanbarnet.co.uk ( see special announcement) Special lineup for this show includes: Mike Burro: Guitar & vocals http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Paul Hirsh ( Voyager, Status Quo) http://www.paul-hirsh.com Mitch 'The Harp Hog' Logan ( harmonicas) Phil Smith: lead guitars http://www.headsmith.co.uk Andy Roberts: bass guitars http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AndyOnBass/ Dr. Maria Ramundo: Darbuka _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 18:13:08 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:13:08 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 Message-ID: Everyone should listen to 6Music at all possible times. And enter even the most trite competitions. I've won shedloads of stuff - gig tickets, limited edition (500) Oasis 12" singles, CDs, DVDs - such a small audience at the moment, and loads of freebies to be grabbed! Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Crossley" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Radio 6 > Just noticed this... > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > Hawkwind > Blues Band > Rage Against The Machine > Mogwai > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > Richard. > From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Mar 24 05:10:45 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:10:45 +0100 Subject: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) Message-ID: Seems to be the BBC Radio 1 (Paris Theatre) gig from 1972 ... personally i prefer the 'Space rock from London' version .... speaking of ...: will we ever know the full story behind those two releases? were there two simultaneous recordings going on (the tape change seems to have been done at different times), or is it merely somebody having done a better job mixing the beeb tapes afterwards ...? Ketil, Norway > > Subject: Radio 6 > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0000 > From: Richard Crossley > > Just noticed this... > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > Hawkwind > Blues Band > Rage Against The Machine > Mogwai > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > Richard. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Mar 24 08:32:28 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (Warburton, Chris (OAG)) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:32:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Radio 6 Message-ID: Ssssh... Stop giving away secrets *G* > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:13:08 -0000 > From: Richard Lockwood > Subject: Re: Radio 6 > > Everyone should listen to 6Music at all possible times. And > enter even the > most trite competitions. I've won shedloads of stuff - gig > tickets, limited > edition (500) Oasis 12" singles, CDs, DVDs - such a small > audience at the > moment, and loads of freebies to be grabbed! > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Mar 24 10:44:27 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:44:27 -0600 Subject: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) In-Reply-To: <40615EA7.1A09E641@fiskaren.no> Message-ID: I though someone had remixed it from what I remember. Though I've only heard the Windsong version. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:11 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) Seems to be the BBC Radio 1 (Paris Theatre) gig from 1972 ... personally i prefer the 'Space rock from London' version .... speaking of ...: will we ever know the full story behind those two releases? were there two simultaneous recordings going on (the tape change seems to have been done at different times), or is it merely somebody having done a better job mixing the beeb tapes afterwards ...? Ketil, Norway > > Subject: Radio 6 > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0000 > From: Richard Crossley > > Just noticed this... > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > Hawkwind > Blues Band > Rage Against The Machine > Mogwai > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > Richard. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 24 16:33:11 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:33:11 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) Message-ID: The official BBC release is, for some reason, in mono - why on earth a reissue has never happened considering they have the master tapes and keep broadcasting them, is beyond my comprehension for sure. I remember hearing this Radio One In Concert when it was first aired and recording it onto 5" open reel tape, long since disappeared. I ended up with a really excellent tape thanks to a Canadianm guy who recorded it off one of those broadcasts that the BBC used to licence out to overseas radio stations - so that mine has this plummy voiced announcer at the beginning saying something about tonight's concert being Hawkwind - then the countdown and then the hour of ecstacy. Daresay the digital broadcasts are way better nowadays - just wish I could get hold of one or find the time to listen if one ever comes along. On a separate subject, the new Architectural Metaphor CD is currently being pressed by them in the USA, so look out for that from us soon - it's a gem. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ketil Svendsen To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) > Seems to be the BBC Radio 1 (Paris Theatre) gig from 1972 ... personally i prefer > the 'Space rock from London' version .... speaking of ...: will we ever know the > full story behind those two releases? were there two simultaneous recordings going > on (the tape change seems to have been done at different times), or is it merely > somebody having done a better job mixing the beeb tapes afterwards ...? > > Ketil, > Norway > > > > > Subject: Radio 6 > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0000 > > From: Richard Crossley > > > > Just noticed this... > > > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > > > Hawkwind > > Blues Band > > Rage Against The Machine > > Mogwai > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > > > Richard. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Mar 24 17:07:35 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:07:35 -0600 Subject: free vinyl Message-ID: Hi folks, Rich and I are moving, and are in the process of culling everything we own to move. To that end, I've got some misc vinyl for anyone who wants it. Free, but if we need to ship it to you, then we are going to charge shipping. (I figure you folks can give stuff a good home.) Hawklords Psi Power US promo 12" (charisma) Hawkwind (first album ;-) ), standard UA copy. Hawkwind Independent Days 10" (flicknife) Hawkwind Live 70-73 (castle) Hawkwind Roadhawks (EMI fame) Hawkwind Utopia 1984 (Mausoleum) The Great Society (w/Grace Slick) Conspicuous only in its Absence (columbia) The Great Society (w/Grace Slick) How it was, newly discovered recordings (columbia) Tangerine Dream Hyperborea (Virgin) Bill Bruford One of a Kind (Polydor) Bill Bruford Feels Good to Me (EG Records) Ravi Shankar Six Ragas (Capitol) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 17:40:51 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:40:51 -0000 Subject: Hawkfest 2002 Message-ID: Hi Andy Are you stocking the updated HAWKFEST 2002? If so can I purchase a copy please? I think you should still have my details - or should I make this enquiry of CD Services rather than yourself? If so please let me know and I shall do so. Many thanks jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 24 18:14:52 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:14:52 -0000 Subject: Hawkfest 2002 Message-ID: Yes - we will be - under "current circumstances" I am just a bit slow on this but I shd have copies in next week so consider the order standing - thanks alot. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Hawkfest 2002 > Hi Andy > > Are you stocking the updated HAWKFEST 2002? If so can I purchase a > copy please? I think you should still have my details - or should I > make this enquiry of CD Services rather than yourself? If so please > let me know and I shall do so. > > Many thanks > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 24 18:23:29 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:23:29 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) Message-ID: Not officially, no. The "Space Rock From London" bootleg seems to be low on the guitar channel if I remember rightly so even that isn't definitive - amazing considering probably most of you out there now have bright sparkly digital radio copies from the rebroadcast now - amother CD that demands a reissue somewhere down the line - unless of course there is better lurking on the Brockian Archive Shelves. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) > I though someone had remixed it from what I remember. Though I've only heard > the Windsong version. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:11 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Radio 6 (oh, and the bootleg) > > > Seems to be the BBC Radio 1 (Paris Theatre) gig from 1972 ... personally i > prefer > the 'Space rock from London' version .... speaking of ...: will we ever know > the > full story behind those two releases? were there two simultaneous recordings > going > on (the tape change seems to have been done at different times), or is it > merely > somebody having done a better job mixing the beeb tapes afterwards ...? > > Ketil, > Norway > > > > > Subject: Radio 6 > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0000 > > From: Richard Crossley > > > > Just noticed this... > > > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > > > Hawkwind > > Blues Band > > Rage Against The Machine > > Mogwai > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > > > Richard. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 24 18:28:16 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:28:16 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 Message-ID: Wow - the only thing I ever won off Radio One was a record token - for getting the song connection right on the Tommy Vance rock show - I spotted the connection betwen Robin Trower's "Bridge of Sighs", Frank Zappa's "Florentine Pogen" and a Colosseum II track whose title I've completely forgotten, then had to devise a connection of my own which consisted of Foghat's "Chateau Lafitte '59 Boogie", Kiss's "Cold Gin" and some other track to do with booze-lol. Ahhhh - those were the days!!!! Sadly mine was also spotted the following week. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Radio 6 > Everyone should listen to 6Music at all possible times. And enter even the > most trite competitions. I've won shedloads of stuff - gig tickets, limited > edition (500) Oasis 12" singles, CDs, DVDs - such a small audience at the > moment, and loads of freebies to be grabbed! > > Cheers, > > Rich. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Crossley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:51 PM > Subject: Radio 6 > > > > Just noticed this... > > > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > > > Hawkwind > > Blues Band > > Rage Against The Machine > > Mogwai > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > > > Richard. > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 20:44:47 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:44:47 -0000 Subject: Radio 6 Message-ID: Funnily enough, I nearly ended up with Tommy Vance as a prize once. We (a bunch of mates and I) "kidnapped" him live on "Friday Rock Show" air with the help of one Mr I.Gillan on the first ever Comic Relief night, and weren't going to let him go until enough pledges of cash had been made. Fortunately, for all concerned, the pledges were eventually made, and he was freed, live on air by Mr B.Dickinson of Iron Maiden fame, and Mr Robert Catley of Magnum fame. Two short blokes rescuing a DJ from a tall bloke. Unlikely I feel, but the whole thing raised thousands for Comic Relief. Oh, and it was the only time that I met Bob Catley that he didn't have his mum with him. (true - out of about eight occasions) :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "deadearnest" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Radio 6 > Wow - the only thing I ever won off Radio One was a record token - for > getting the song connection right on the Tommy Vance rock show - I spotted > the connection betwen Robin Trower's "Bridge of Sighs", Frank Zappa's > "Florentine Pogen" and a Colosseum II track whose title I've completely > forgotten, then had to devise a connection of my own which consisted of > Foghat's "Chateau Lafitte '59 Boogie", Kiss's "Cold Gin" and some other > track to do with booze-lol. Ahhhh - those were the days!!!! > Sadly mine was also spotted the following week. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Lockwood > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: Radio 6 > > > > Everyone should listen to 6Music at all possible times. And enter even > the > > most trite competitions. I've won shedloads of stuff - gig tickets, > limited > > edition (500) Oasis 12" singles, CDs, DVDs - such a small audience at the > > moment, and loads of freebies to be grabbed! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Crossley" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:51 PM > > Subject: Radio 6 > > > > > > > Just noticed this... > > > > > > Tuesday 23 March 10PM GMT. > > > Dream Ticket, Live Music from the BBC archives. > > > > > > Hawkwind > > > Blues Band > > > Rage Against The Machine > > > Mogwai > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml > > > > > > Richard. > > > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Mar 26 04:17:17 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:17:17 -0000 Subject: Space Mirrors debut album Message-ID: Hi People, Just to let you know that, in the absence of an "en masse" contact from CD Services for now, the Space Mirrors album on Dead Earnest is now in stock and can be ordered from the Space Mirrors site (www.spacemirrors.com) or Dead Earnest (www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk) or CD Services ( existing customers can just e mail quoting account number or postcode). A deal is being set up whereby shops throughout UK will be able to order copies shortly. Thanks, Andy G. agcdser at aol.com From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Fri Mar 26 08:51:34 2004 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:51:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Radio 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please keep listening to Radio 6 and TELL THE BBC HOW GOOD IT IS! (sorry for shouting!) Ok, I may be biased as I work for the BBC and have been running around the UK commissioning new DAB digital radio transmitters for the BBC National services, but I do honestly think that Radio 6 is probably the best radio station out there. Go on, have a listen, be it on DAB, online, or digital TV/Sat. It also has not escaped the BBC management that listener figures are not as high as some of the other new BBC radio services. Whilst I believe there are no major plans to "revamp" Radio 6, it will be a concern if the number of listeners doesn't rise to "expected" levels. I would hate to see the "bean-counters" drop Radio 6, so please keep listening (and winning all their competitions!) Cheers, Andy From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Mar 26 13:40:28 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:40:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Radio 6 Message-ID: He's right you know. It's the only radio station worth listening to (unless you count the Andy Kershaw show on Radio 3) (Any man who can describe Half Man Half Biscuit as "The Greatest British Folk Band Since The Clash" is alright be me...) :-) 6Music - it rocks. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ball" To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Radio 6 > Please keep listening to Radio 6 and TELL THE BBC HOW GOOD IT IS! (sorry > for shouting!) > Ok, I may be biased as I work for the BBC and have been running around the > UK commissioning new DAB digital radio transmitters for the BBC National > services, but I do honestly think that Radio 6 is probably the best radio > station out there. Go on, have a listen, be it on DAB, online, or digital > TV/Sat. > > It also has not escaped the BBC management that listener figures are not > as high as some of the other new BBC radio services. Whilst I believe there > are no major plans to "revamp" Radio 6, it will be a concern if the number > of listeners doesn't rise to "expected" levels. > I would hate to see the "bean-counters" drop Radio 6, so please keep > listening (and winning all their competitions!) > > Cheers, > > Andy > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 17:24:35 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:24:35 EST Subject: BIONAUT NYC TOMORROW Message-ID: Anyone goin? Take note it's a 1PM to 5PM gig with a futuristic art show. Bill From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 28 11:56:44 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:56:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome Tribute: Call for Submissions Message-ID: Hello all. I'm posting this on behalf of Aktivator Records, so please respond to them at the email address in the post, rather than replying to me. AKTIVATOR RECORDS WILL BE ASSEMBLING AND RELEASING A CHROME TRIBUTE IN EARLY 2005: To be titled: You've Been Duplicated: Burning Chrome To Disc In The Cyberage All interested parties should airmail their submissions to: Charles van de Kree 4800 San Mateo Ln. NE #142 Albuquerque, NM 87109 USA Please include the following information with your submission: 1) Band or artist name 2) Contact address & e-mail 3) Band or artist credits (i.e., names and instrumentation) 4) Any other information you think is necessary or pertinent Note: Please do not master your submission. Once all of the songs that will be on the disc are collated, they will each be mastered individually to conform to red book specifications. For more information about this project, please e-mail us at outworlder5 at hotmail.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 28 14:45:46 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:45:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Interviews, Reviews, and Alchemical Radio show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (March 28, 2004): We've just uploaded a batch of new reviews and a couple interviews. Thanks to Scott Heller, Charles van de Kree, Brian Faulkner, Jeff Fitzgerald and Andy Madden for their contributions. We've also got a new edition of Alchemical Radio (show #59). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlist below. New in stock in the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER catalog: Scattered Planets - "Andromeda Keg Party". Killer Space Rock! For more information visit our online mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Don't miss Scattered Planets LIVE, along with Alien Planetscapes, Architectural Metaphor and Church of Hed in Baltimore, Maryland on Saturday April 10th at Orion Studios. For more information visit http://www.orionsound.com We've got new interviews with Saturnia and John Likides. Plus reviews of albums by PXR.1, Linus Pauling Quartet, Ozric Tentacles, Space Mirrors, Pseudo Sun, Achilleus, Tungsten74, Monster Magnet, Cucumber Farmer, Barry Cleveland, Cloud Chamber, Kuusumum Profetta, Points Of Friction, Kurt Michaels, Dipsomaniacs, Lambert, Miles MacMillan, Moon Trotskij, Trip Tech, Electric Turn To Me, Nihil Project, Ai Phoenix, Breathe Stone, Dreamt Of By Armadillos, The Awesome Machine, Alien Heat, Orange Goblin, Phased, Shevel Knievel, SvartePan, Amgsphont, Witchcraft, Jack Daddy Loops aka Loopty, SourceCodeX, Rasal Asad, Black Forest/Black Sea, The Building Press, A Very Clever Robot, Djamra, Morsof, Kopecky, Deathsquad, Smokin' Granny, Groove Stream Attractor, Witsend, Syzygy, Romislokus, Hyam Sosnow, Moisten Before Use, Mick Polich, Icecake, Aspect, Steve Morse, and Slave To The Power. You'll find all the new reviews on our What's New page at http://aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html Alchemical Radio (show #59) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Also, BIG congratulations to Tim & Terri on the birth of their son, Jimi Jones, born on March 19th. Introduction by Paul Bullock - Mellow Hippy. Contact: paulbullock04 at hotmail.com Jamison Young - Top Of The Hill Neumeria - Destiny Keith Mills - Mmmm Nick Toone - Strangeitude Cheap Wine - Temptation Frank Gingeleit - Terra Australis Yaya Diallo - Forgeron Bitter Little Cider Apples - Butter Face Down Mountain Mirrors - Sacred Space Paradox One - Wake Up Call Peace Mafia - Revelator Skid Row - Down From Underground Steve Power - A Normal Man Sputnik Weazel - Wake Up World http://Aural-Innovations.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Mar 28 16:19:10 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:19:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas Pix Uploaded to Mission Control Message-ID: + ++ + STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ Pictures from the London Astoria - 21st Dec 2003 are now online at Mission Control www.hawkwind.com ++ ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + =++ = = ++ From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 13:30:42 2004 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:30:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins Message-ID: With apologies for those getting this message more than once, here's an update on the Hawkwind biography that I've been working on: Title is Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins, publisher SAF Publishing Ltd, release date 31st July 2004, UK ?25, US $40, hardcover. Amazon are now listing the book on their UK site (I understand it will be on their US site really soon) with a pretty generous pre-publication discount offer running. SAF will have it on their own website in the next few days: www.safpublishing.com - that's well worth a visit anyway, their current list has books on Morrissey, Mountain, Coil, Devo, Focus and many others - they've also published works on Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. As it stands, it's 115,000 words of biography, anecdote, critique, song inspirations etc. There's been over 40 new interviews conducted with the current band, past members, "friends & relations", and other associates. We also have a great selection of photographs, many of which have been rarely - if ever - published before, and we have a cover image licensed from Peter Pracownik. SAF's publicity sheet describes the book as an "authoritative, high quality biography ... loaded with new interviews and rare illustrations", about a band that "have successfully existed outside the traditional music business... space hippies, proto punks and music cybernauts". Whilst the book is unofficial, over the last year I've greatly appreciated the support of the band, of Kris, Keith K, Colin & Rik - and of the discussion group members who have helped with news cuttings, memories and encouragement. So, I think it's going to be a terrific package, from a specialist music publisher run by people who love their music and produce really good quality books. Regards Ian Abrahams From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 30 19:32:17 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:32:17 EST Subject: Mystery Hawkwind Song?? Message-ID: Greetings All: In The English Assassin, by Michael Moorcock, he mentions Jerry Cornelius listening to a Hawkwind song called 'Captain Justice.' Does anyone know if this is/was a real song or was it made up for the book? Thanx Joe From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 31 05:19:41 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:19:41 +0100 Subject: Mystery Hawkwind Song?? In-Reply-To: JLoehr4299@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:32:17 EST Message-ID: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > Greetings All: > > In The English Assassin, by Michael Moorcock, he mentions Jerry Cornelius > listening to a Hawkwind song called 'Captain Justice.' > > Does anyone know if this is/was a real song or was it made up for the book? It's the track after "Caution" on the "Strange Geometries" album ;-) One of these days Dave is going to mess with us and do one of these tracks... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 31 08:24:52 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:24:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > With apologies for those getting this message more than once, here's > an update on the Hawkwind biography that I've been working on: > Title is Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins, publisher SAF Publishing Ltd, > release date 31st July 2004, UK ?25, US $40, hardcover. > Amazon are now listing the book on their UK site (I understand it will > be on their US site really soon) with a pretty generous > pre-publication discount offer running. Ordered mine and looking forward to it... Maybe the author will sign it soon... FoFP From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 31 10:09:39 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:09:39 +0100 Subject: BOC a fanboy rerecords Message-ID: Inspired by Camper Van Beethoven's song-for-song re-recording of Fleetwood Mac's Tusk album, I felt an overwhelming urge to take similar steps and record a "re-imagining" of an entire album of personal significance to me. I spent months agonizing, speculating and jamming along to records. Would it be Black Sabbath (1st LP, Paranoid, Volume 4, Sabotage or Technical Ecstacy)? Would it be ZZ Top (Rio Grande Mud, Tejas or Eliminator)? Maybe AC/DC (Powerage, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap or Highway to Hell)? Einsturzende Neubauten (Kollaps or Tabula Rasa)? Scott Walker (Scott 4 or Tilt)? Hawkwind (Space Ritual - the challenge of the double LP!)? Masters of Reality (the first one)? All of the above had problems, either I couldn't generate the right noises or I couldn't sing well enough. So what to do? But then it came to me - Blue Oyster Cult's Secret Treaties. It's a work of genius IMHO, and it's not technically that difficult to play convincingly. So rehearsals have begun! To be honest, the only bits we're having difficulty with is getting the drum and bass parts and their interplay sounding right - it seems the brothers Bouchard had a difficult to emulate groove back in the freer days of the early 70s. Maybe this is just because as a guitarist I taught myself how to play *by* copying other players (Tony Iommi, Buck Dharma, D Boon), but as a bassist I didn't because I already had the notes and the dexterity I just had to work out how to play it in context. Who knows? So, we'll be recording our humble efforts this coming Christmas - who wants a copy? Chris. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 12:57:52 2004 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:57:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > > Ordered mine and looking forward to it... > > Maybe the author will sign it soon... > > FoFP > In the pub, first gig after publication :-) Ian From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Mar 31 12:57:44 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: <012c01c41749$afd5eaa0$fa23fea9@r1e1j2> Message-ID: Most recent broo-ha-ha about the MC5: http://www.detnews.com/2004/events/0403/31/d01-108227.htm ah, the fun of rock n' roll. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 31 15:03:56 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:03:56 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? Message-ID: That REALLY sucks! I saw the documentary last month, and it was fantastic. Anyone who doesn't "get" what was so great about the MC5 *really* needs to see the visual footage of the band playing live - they were incredible showmen/entertainers/performers in addition to being the great rock musicians who Kicked Out The Jams like no other ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:57:44 -0500, Jason Scruton wrote: >Most recent broo-ha-ha about the MC5: > >http://www.detnews.com/2004/events/0403/31/d01-108227.htm > >ah, the fun of rock n' roll. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Mar 31 15:13:24 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:13:24 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You got to see it? Would you mind typing a review of it? it seems the only way to get it for the time being are the promo copies floating out there. also, the muscletone message boards are alight with Wayne flames. Strange times. BOC content: Howard Stern this week was playing his spoken intro off of Club Ninja. Very funny, really. J > That REALLY sucks! I saw the documentary last month, and it was > fantastic. Anyone who doesn't "get" what was so great about the MC5 > *really* needs to see the visual footage of the band playing live - they > were incredible showmen/entertainers/performers in addition to being the > great rock musicians who Kicked Out The Jams like no other ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Mar 31 15:20:03 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:20:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: recent show reviewed, dig the setlist! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: from http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/concerts/BOC%202004.htm Set List: R U Ready 2 Rock, Buck?s Boogie, Burning For You, Harvester of Eyes, Shooting Shark, Career of Evil, Born To Rock, Joan Crawford, Perfect Water, Black Blade, Cities on Flame (with Rock and Roll), Godzilla, (Don?t Fear) The Reaper. Encore: Dancing in the Ruins, I Ain?t Got You. 105 minutes. I don;t know 'bout Dancing in the Ruins, but RUR and "I aint got you" are shockers! Very strange 1980s feel to the set... From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 18:07:53 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:07:53 EST Subject: Mystery Hawkwind Song?? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/2004 5:21:26 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: It's the track after "Caution" on the "Strange Geometries" album ;-) (showing large amounts of . . ) Huh, who wha?? Sounds familiar, but I can't place the name. Joe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 31 18:28:53 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:13:24 -0500, js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote: >You got to see it? Would you mind typing a review of it? it seems the >only way to get it for the time being are the promo copies floating >out there. It was screened for about a week at the Roxie in San Francisco. It also played in SF about a year ago, but I think that was an earlier cut with, allegedly, less performance footage. Viewed purely as a documentary, it's excellent: interviews with the three surviving members (where Dennis Thompson demonstrates that his nickname "machine gun" came from his mouth, not his drumming!) plus Tyner's and Smith's widows (Fred's first wife, who was there at the time, not Patti, who wasn't). All five are really entertaining. It covers the story from beginning to end, from the initial concept, their early days as a "square" show band, the Grande Ballroom, the Sinclair involvement, the Hudson's debacle (at the end of the movie, there's footage of the Hudson's department store being demolished, heh heh), getting dropped from Electra and the 'Back in the USA' debacle (Jon Landau defensively tries to justify his "production" job - I still don't know whether I hate him more for ruining that album, or for foisting Bruce Springsteen on the world), UK/European tours (including Phun City - Mick Farren is mentioned as being unable to pay the band - the bit about Phun City in his autobioggraphy is great!), 'High Time', and the band's ignominous dissolution, as they become the MC3, then MC2, then finally play a pathetic reunion show that Kramer exited half way through to go score H. Great interviews with John Sinclair (who hasn't changed except for the grey hair), Danny Goldberg (who signed them to Elektra and comes across as a total queen - pretty funny), Geoff Halsam ('High Time' producer), the English bassist who replaced Michael Davis, and a few others. But really, what you watch the movie for is the live footage. The '5 smoked like no others (as I mentioned in the previous email). There's color footage from the Grande Ballroom at the peak of their powers (un- synched, unfortunately), and even footage obtained from FBI surveillence tapes via the Freedom of Information act filmed at the 1968 Democratic Party convention in Chicago (which turned into a riot as soon as the band left the stage). One really cool thing is at the end of the credits, there's a list of all the financial backers, which includes boc-l favorites B?C (natch!), Monster Magnet, the Damned & Lemmy. Hope that helps ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Mar 31 18:36:39 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:36:39 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 06:28 PM 3/31/04 -0500, you wrote: >synched, unfortunately), and even footage obtained from FBI surveillence >tapes via the Freedom of Information act filmed at the 1968 Democratic >Party convention in Chicago (which turned into a riot as soon as the band >left the stage). Hmmmm! I think this bit is also in the MC3's Sonic Revolution package, too. > >One really cool thing is at the end of the credits, there's a list of all >the financial backers, which includes boc-l favorites B?C (natch!), >Monster Magnet, the Damned & Lemmy. > >Hope that helps ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 31 19:56:57 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:56:57 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Doug Pearson wrote: > Great interviews with John Sinclair (who hasn't changed except for the > grey hair), Danny Goldberg (who signed them to Elektra and comes > across as > a total queen - pretty funny) Uhh? Danny FIELDS signed the 5 to Elektra. Are you sure it's Danny Goldberg in the movie? Danny Fields is a great man (a great queen too) and probably the most under appreciated person in the record industry. Everybody loves him but he really doesn't get his due. He signed the Ramones, was instrumental in Patti Smith's career, Iggy Pop, MC5, the Doors. Anybody know who I'm talking about? Danny Goldberg was a rock scene person. He worked for Led Zeppelin (publicist), managed Bonnie Raitt, NIrvana and then he was the head of Atlantic for a New York minute and since then has bounced around from major to major. He does OK. A nice straight guy. I like them both. al From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Mar 31 20:44:42 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:44:42 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: <798D6C4F-8377-11D8-9A5A-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: >Everybody loves him but he really doesn't get his due. He signed the >Ramones, was instrumental in Patti Smith's career, Iggy Pop, MC5, the >Doors. Anybody know who I'm talking about? Yeah, I rmember reading about him in the "velvets to the voidoids" book a while back, and he's in the pic of Elektra's signing the 5 and the stooges. More MC5 news: http://www.dkt-mc5.com/index.cfm?pg=MDLetter is Michael Davis' response to the 5-troversy of late. Looking very forward to the Sin-E bonanza! Jason From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 31 21:08:13 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:08:13 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:56:57 -0500, Albert Bouchard wrote: >On Mar 31, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Doug Pearson wrote: > >> Great interviews with John Sinclair (who hasn't changed except for the >> grey hair), Danny Goldberg (who signed them to Elektra and comes >> across as >> a total queen - pretty funny) > >Uhh Danny FIELDS signed the 5 to Elektra. Are you sure it's Danny >Goldberg in the movie? Danny Fields is a great man (a great queen too) >and probably the most under appreciated person in the record industry. >Everybody loves him but he really doesn't get his due. He signed the >Ramones, was instrumental in Patti Smith's career, Iggy Pop, MC5, the >Doors. Anybody know who I'm talking about? Yes, that's definitely Danny Fields who I meant to identify as being interviewed in the movie. Thanks for setting me straight. The interview with Danny Fields is so cool when he talks about being blown away by the MC5, then they tell him that he should check out their little- brother-band the next night ... Iggy & the Stooges! And he was clearly bummed about Elektra dropping the MC5. Since it would have been right around the same time, did he have anything to do with signing that band from Long Island whose unreleased Elektra album finally came out a couple years ago on Rhino Handmade ;^)? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >Danny Goldberg was a rock scene person. He worked for Led Zeppelin >(publicist), managed Bonnie Raitt, NIrvana and then he was the head of >Atlantic for a New York minute and since then has bounced around from >major to major. He does OK. A nice straight guy. I like them both. > >al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 31 21:56:30 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:56:30 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Doug Pearson wrote: > Since it would have been right > around the same time, did he have anything to do with signing that band > from Long Island whose unreleased Elektra album finally came out a > couple > years ago on Rhino Handmade ;^)? I wish I could say yes but it was pretty much all Jac Holtzman idea. Danny was our ally though when the chips were down for us at Elektra. From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Mar 31 22:42:41 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:42:41 -0500 Subject: Shocking news reaches Museum HQ Message-ID: News has just reached Museum HQ of some frankly shocking news regarding Hawkwinds future plans for touring and the accompanying line up, for more information click on the following link http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage45.htm I think once you see it you'll realise the significance! Appreciate your thoughts on this either on the list or direct to me at dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk regards Dave Apologies for those who've had news of this from other sources! From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 23:00:21 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:00:21 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? Message-ID: Can i ask how you got to see the documentary if the rest of us cant see it yet? I would love to see it. Thanks Gee... > > < That REALLY sucks! I saw > the documentary last month, and it was > fantastic. Anyone who doesn't "get" what was so great about the MC5 > *really* needs to see the visual footage of the band playing live - they > were incredible showmen/entertainers/performers in addition to being the > great rock musicians who Kicked Out The Jams like no other ... > > > From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 23:09:26 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:09:26 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: why were the Jams kicked out? Message-ID: Doug please ignore my question about who you got to see the MC5 docu as i see you have already answered that question. That makes me look a prat for replying to emails straight away. Sorry and thanks, Gee.?