From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jul 1 04:06:35 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: A couple more things to add... Ozric Tentacles - US tour '04 06/07/04 Paradise Rock Club - Cambridge, MA 07/07/04 B.B. King Blues Club - New York, NY 08/07/04 North by Northwest - Philadelphia, PA 09/07/04 All Good Music Festival and Campout - Masontown (Morgantown), WV 10/07/04 The Orange Peel, Asheville, NC 12/07/04 The Magic Bag - Ferndale (Detroit), MI 13/07/04 Martyrs - Chicago, IL 15/07/04 Cervantes' Masterpiece Ballroom - Denver, CO 16/07/04 32 Bleu -Colorado Springs, CO 17/07/04 Aggie Theater -Fort Collins, CO 19/07/04 Marquee Theater - Tempe, AZ 22/07/04 The Grove of Anaheim - Anaheim, CA 23/07/04 The Fillmore - San Francisco, CA 27/07/04 Shank Hall - Milwaukee, WI 28/07/04 Exit/In - Nashville, TN 29/07/04 Ziggy's - Winston-Salem, NC 30/07/04 The Georgia Theater - Athens, GA 31/07/04 The Funk Box - Baltimore, MD More US dates 2004 tba. And I also caught Kraftwerk in May, but I didn't write about it in the previous message 'cause there's a complete review of the show over at www.aural-innovations.com Grakkl (FAA), who has no cell phone (oder Natel/Handy), so who will be incommunicado on the way into Herzberg, so I'll wander around until I hear English spoken, or something that sounds vaguely like it. :) P.S. Last night, I saw the movie "More" on TV (1969), which of course has a Pink Floyd soundtrack. So I heard the original "Cymbaline" for the first time, which was kinda haphazardly done IMHO, so I prefer the Brock version. Actually, Floyd's music only shows up here and there and not really very powerful stuff to be honest, compared to other material from the same period. But then I was watching the movie just to see what it was about. Pretty simple affair really...just two young kids travelling around Europe and experimenting with various drugs. It seemed to glamorize marijuana and LSD while demonizing heroin, which I suppose is not an unfair treatment (though I'm not really one to know), but I suppose the irony is what happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 1 10:39:39 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:39:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: Henderson Keith's message of Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:35 +0200 Message-ID: > but I suppose the irony is what > happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) Weirdly I know someone who bumped into him in the wilds and spent some time in his company (as a retired rock star - they only figured out who after the holiday). Seems it's no rumour. It really didn't do the guy any good. Something lije 3% of the population are prone to schizophrenia and a bad LSD experience is one of the things that can set it off. As with other things, best know what youre doing before playing with it. FoFP From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Jul 1 12:49:16 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:49:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: <200407011439.i61Eddsa018714@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a bit strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have fallen off anyway. I was a major Pink Floyd fan in my youth, long before I got into Hawkwind. I've seen all the Floyd films including marginals like Zabriskie Point, and my recollection is that they were all mostly rubbish. Very few soundtracks of films really work as albums. The Virgin Suicides is one exception that stands out, though the Air album isn't really a soundtrack album in the sense that More and Obscured by Clouds are. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 01 July 2004 15:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Various > but I suppose the irony is what > happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) Weirdly I know someone who bumped into him in the wilds and spent some time in his company (as a retired rock star - they only figured out who after the holiday). Seems it's no rumour. It really didn't do the guy any good. Something lije 3% of the population are prone to schizophrenia and a bad LSD experience is one of the things that can set it off. As with other things, best know what youre doing before playing with it. FoFP From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jul 1 13:53:55 2004 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:53:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: Anyone interested in the (bad) effects of LSD need look no further than Fleetwood Mac: Peter Green: Wanted to give all the money away. Jeremy Spencer: Joined the Children of God, and is still with them today. Danny Kirwan: Became, and tragically still is, a down and out. Strange they (and Barrett) were all guitar players. ----- Original Message ----- From: "HawkFan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: HW: Various > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a bit > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > fallen off anyway. > > I was a major Pink Floyd fan in my youth, long before I got into Hawkwind. > I've seen all the Floyd films including marginals like Zabriskie Point, and > my recollection is that they were all mostly rubbish. Very few soundtracks > of films really work as albums. The Virgin Suicides is one exception that > stands out, though the Air album isn't really a soundtrack album in the > sense that More and Obscured by Clouds are. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 01 July 2004 15:40 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > > > but I suppose the irony is what > > happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) > > Weirdly I know someone who bumped into him in the wilds and spent some > time in his company (as a retired rock star - they only figured out who > after the holiday). Seems it's no rumour. It really didn't do the guy > any good. Something lije 3% of the population are prone to schizophrenia > and a bad LSD experience is one of the things that can set it off. > > As with other things, best know what youre doing before playing with it. > > FoFP From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 1 15:26:13 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:26:13 -0400 Subject: BRAIN etc In-Reply-To: <200406291819.i5TIJ4L26633@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: On Jun 29, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Jeff Berry wrote: > So did anyone make it to the Cellsum show this last weekend? (It was > this last weekend, right?) I wanted to go but was out of town. > > How was it? Well I was there of course but even though there were many of our regular crowd from NYC I don't recall any familiar faces from BOC-L. It was a great show. You knew I'd say that. It was great and a little surreal seeing the David Roter Method without David. Ya know it is a great band and we each sang our favorite Roter song. The X Brothers made like boc-l and didn't show up. Only Joe and his new song writing partner Patti G were there so they played some of the new stuff they've been working on. Surgeons with Ross the Boss were torqued. Most people will find it interesting how our sound has evolved. The wall of sound is back but this time more nimble and dynamic. Arlene's show was quite precise and relentless but next weekend in Rochester we are going to be integrating some more jamming elements. We're looking to play again in NYC in early September. Al From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 1 20:21:08 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:21:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: More (was HW: Various) Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:35 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >A couple more things to add... [snip] > >P.S. Last night, I saw the movie "More" on TV (1969), which of course >has a Pink Floyd soundtrack. So I heard the original "Cymbaline" for >the first time, which was kinda haphazardly done IMHO, so I prefer the >Brock version. >Actually, Floyd's music only shows up here and there and not really very >powerful stuff to be honest, compared to other material from the same >period. It does have "The Nile Song", which may be my favorite post-Barrett Floyd song. Of course, just because it's on the soundtrack album doesn't mean that it's in the actual movie ... >Pretty simple affair really...just two young kids travelling around Europe >and experimenting with various drugs. It seemed to glamorize marijuana and >LSD while demonizing heroin, which I suppose is not an unfair treatment >(though I'm not really one to know), I know people who died from heroin. I don't know anyone who died as a direct result of any other drug (even alcohol), although I've known people who fucked themselves up BADLY from hard drugs (speed, coke, alcohol). Of course, the ultimate irony was 'Superfly', which portrayed heroin in a very negative light, but cocaine in a completely positive one (this being years before the 80s crack epidemic). >but I suppose the irony is what >happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) As others have mentioned, LSD can be very bad for people who have some sort of pre-disposition towards schizophrenia or other brain disorders ... in the recent Neil Young biography, 'Shakey', the author recounts how Young (who was subject to seizures during his early 20s ... interestingly, they seem to have mostly stopped at around the same time he became a heavy marijuana user) was told by doctors not to ever try LSD (although he never fucked himself up from his 70s cocaine use, unlike at least one [probably two] of his CSNY bandmates, the book also contains a great anecdote about how his coke use cost the makers of 'The Last Waltz' movie a small fortune in film touch-up costs ["what the hell is that golf ball doing in his nostril?"]). This might be a good time to mention the genius of Skip Spence and Roky Erickson, also both guitarists ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 1 20:47:14 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:47:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: DTK/MC3 Message-ID: I saw the surving members of the MC5 last night in San Francisco. Definitely worth the not-so-cheap $25, although definitely not as authentic as last year's Stooges reunion. Sort of like the "Grande Ballroom" ride in the "Hippieland" section of Disneyland. The songs were played a bit on the slow side (disappointing), but the Davis/Thompson rhythm section was still extremely powerful. Wayne Kramer had the exact same stage moves & facial expressions that you see in old MC5 videos/film footage - if he still had the hair, he'd look exactly like he did 35 years ago. The second guitarist, replacing Fred Smith, was Marshall Crenshaw; I was a bit leery when I heard that, but he did an excellent job, and clearly earned his place on the stage. Most of the singing was by Mark Arm (Mudhoney), a most-inspired choice; he definitely kicked out the jams! For some reason, they also had Evan Dando (Lemonheads) singing a few of the songs, but the only one that Arm couldn't have handled better was the ballad, "Let Me Try" (which was probably the low point of the show, anyway). Most of the shows have featured local guest vocalists, too (Handsome Dick Manitoba singing "Call Me Animal" in NYC sounds particularly appealing), so in San Francisco we got Roy Loney (Flamin' Groovies) singing the '5's Chuck Berry covers (and adding percussion for the final encore). Another inspired choice. Wayne did most of the song introductions and was clearly directing the band, while letting fly with some scorching solos (although one of my punk- rock friends was making the "wank" motion while he played them). The version of "Starship" was remarkably close to the 'Kick Out The Jams' version, and incredibly spacey/psychedelic (another one the "I only like punk" people were a bit lost on). For "Ramalama Fa Fa Fa", Brother Wayne managed to get some impressive (at least impressive for typically-jaded SF audiences) three-part participation out of the audience ... granted, that's now an arena-rock cliche, but the MC5 were doing that in 67/68, before arena-rock really existed to be a cliche yet. And, not surprisingly, political statements were made immediately before they played "American Ruse". The approximate setlist was (a couple songs missing and/or out-of-order): Tonight (sung by Marshall Crenshaw) Ramblin' Rose (sung by Wayne Kramer) I Can Only Give You Everything (sung by Michael Davis) Kick Out The Jams Future/Now Call Me Animal Human Being Lawnmower Sister Ann Tutti Frutti (sung by Roy Loney) Back in the USA (Loney again) Looking At You Shakin' Street (A Ray Charles cover I can't remember the title of) Starship encore: Let Me Try High School Ramalama Fa Fa Fa (Rocket Reducer 62) American Ruse (On-topicness: one of the guest singers for their first reunion show was one Lemmy Kilminster, but to the best of my knowledge, they haven't had Eric Bloom [I assume it was Eric?] sing "Kick Out The Jams" like he did on SEE. And one of Mudhoney's most recent releases had Mark Arm singing "Urban Guerilla".) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 1 21:02:27 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:27 -0400 Subject: OT: HW: Various Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:31:24 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >I've seen quite a few good concerts in the last several weeks, and am >looking forward big time to another Burg Herzberg event, this time with >maximal space rock percentage, with Hawkwind, MQB, Guru Guru, et al. And >the weather in central Europe so far this summer has been really >wonderful, >that is, if you prefer a bit cooler temperatures as opposed to last year's >oppressive heat (such that the grass died and the dirt went airborne into >eyes/ears/nose/throat). > >It took me a long time to realize that Herzberg is *not* at Wilhelmsthal >this year ... >The confusion I've had (I guess) is related to the fact that 1) Burg >Herzberg is under 'new management' this year (otherwise it would have died >after last year), but 2) the old crew (Think Progressive, under Kalle >Becker) seems to still be planning to have a festival at the Wilhelmsthal >site the weekend *after* the "true" Herzberg, but called something like >"Herzberg goes Wilhelmstal" (which is really the renamed (Kloster) >Cornberg Festival, which was held just once (in 2001?), and then >cancelled both in 2002 and 2003, when Kalle was trying to run both >simultaneously). He's got a great lineup for that one planned, including >Tull, Amon Duul II, Outskirts Of Infinity, Bevis Frond, On Trial, and >others. But I hesitate to make >serious plans for it, because of recent history. So I might make a 'game >time' decision about staying in central Germany over the four days in >between the two fests, based on what I hear at Herzberg. > >Well, hope to see a few of you there...I know some folx are planning to >make >it. (Doug P.? Is it going to happen for you? Schade, wenn nicht.) The >Finland one might have been fun though, with Dave W. and Lemmy both >guesting. Any idea what the "complete" lineup at Herzberg will be? Unfortunately, I won't be there (but at least I have something very interesting to do on July 17th). The confusion over the two festivals didn't help, especially since the second one (weekend of July 24th) has a far stronger lineup (well, maybe not Jethro Tull for me) than the first (except, of course, Hawkwind) IMHO. Speaking of Bevis Frond, there is apparently a brand new Adrian Shaw solo album out on Woronzow. I haven't heard it yet. >So, lately I've seen... > >Circle...the next night I went down to a small town near Fribourg to >see the first night of a three day 'punk/alternative rock' festival ... > ... The so-called headliner were >the Distillers (who I'd never heard of), who seemed to me to be >Australia's answer to Hole. They drew almost all the 800-1000 people >into the tent for a spell, but I don't think the fans were so crazy >about them. Rather ordinary IMHO. I saw 'em opening for Queens of the Stoneage a while back (the singer is/was involved with either Josh or Nick). She has a powerful voice (much better than Courtney Love's), and their drummer was really good. Those are the only two nice things I have to say about the band; "ordinary" is a perfectly fine description (I had to be reminded that I had actually seen them!). >But a few other things...has anybody caught >these guys (also from Sweden) in the US yet? I've heard their first album >from 35 years ago, but not their reunion stuff. They have a few more >dates before they go home, so here they are... > >Trad, Gras och Stenar... >29/6 Neumo's, Seattle, with Kinski among others >1/7 Talking Head, Baltimore with Mighty Flashlight, Big Huge, Entrance >2/7 Tonic, New York, with Bardo Pond and Mighty Flashlight >3/7 TT the Bear, Boston, with Sunburned Hand of the Man and Major Stars Yeah, I saw them both times they played in SF. A really, really excellent band! I've been listening to the reissues of their original albums (and related bands Parson Sound & Harvester / International Harvester) a lot recently. highly recommended to the Baltimore/NYC/Boston folks if you get this message in time ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 1 22:36:39 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:36:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: DTK/MC3 Message-ID: Memory slighly rekindled by looking at album sleeves ... On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:47:14 -0400, I wrote: >The approximate setlist was (a couple songs missing and/or out-of-order): > >Tonight (sung by Marshall Crenshaw) >Ramblin' Rose (sung by Wayne Kramer) >I Can Only Give You Everything (sung by Michael Davis) >Kick Out The Jams >Future/Now Teenage Lust (how could I forget? that's the one I covered) Over And Over (and, i think) Baby Won't Ya, not Future/Now (man, my memory sucks!) >Call Me Animal >Human Being Lawnmower >Sister Ann >Tutti Frutti (sung by Roy Loney) >Back in the USA (Loney again) >Looking At You >Shakin' Street >(A Ray Charles cover I can't remember the title of) >Starship > >encore: >Let Me Try >High School >Ramalama Fa Fa Fa (Rocket Reducer 62) >American Ruse -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 2 08:41:57 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:41:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: HawkFan's message of Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: HawkFan writes: > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a bit > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > fallen off anyway. Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would apply. What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this one until the research jury comes in. Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. FoFP From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 2 10:16:16 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (jswartz@mitre.org) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:16:16 -0400 Subject: BOC Book in the works! In-Reply-To: <200407020900.i627CZUd013938@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Check out this great bit of news. Former (?) BOC-L member Martin Popoff (author of a most excellent book on Heavy Metal albums - with very positive reviews of BOC and tBS albums) will finally be releasing a book on BOC. Martin had talked to me years ago about wanting to do this, and I know he's been in touch with Bolle Gregmar (the keeper of the Museum of Cult). There's more info at this link: http://www.bravewords.com/news.html?id=15080 John From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jul 2 13:12:01 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:42:01 +0930 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: Especially the shit that is passed off as LSD these days. Which - btw - there really is very little real LSD anymore. The cost of setting up a lab that is as sterile and hygienic as is required (and keeping it secret) forces most people to just make garbage from all sorts of poisons. Not the REAL DEAL. Give it a miss. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: Various > HawkFan writes: > > > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a bit > > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > > fallen off anyway. > > Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as > pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people > over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent > psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in > the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall > over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social > sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental > recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would > apply. > > What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to > some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce > similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" > stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as > their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find > doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, > and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now > to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this one > until the research jury comes in. > > Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" > researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably > just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy > in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. > > To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and > smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue > with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking > looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic > that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be > good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. > > FoFP > From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 2 14:47:13 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:47:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:41:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as >pre-schizophrenic Not sure where you get this figure. Schizophrenia affects approx 0.8% of the population, though the rates in "at-risk" populations (e.g. the Afro- Caribbean population of the UK) can be much higher (as much as 10 times higher in one study). "Pre-schizophrenic" is a nebulous and difficult concept. Certainly family history is relevant, but in the absence of any definite evidence on the genetic factors, one can't really put a figure on that. It is estimated that the heritability of schizophrenia (i.e. the degree to which it can be attributed to genetic factors, which is not at all the same thing as the likelihood of developing it if you have a family history) is around 45%, but this is of no value in trying to predict whether a particular individual will develop the disorder. There are also certain constellations of personality traits (notably "schizotypal personality disorder") that have been claimed to predispose people to schizophrenia, but the evidence is inevitably rather circumstantial, and the supposed prevalence of this personality style varies wildly from study to study. >and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people >over the edge. This, interestingly enough, has never actually been proven, although I think you are right to presume that it must be true. Amphetamines, on the other hand, are well-known for producing a psychosis that is pretty much indistinguishable from schizophrenia. > >What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to >some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce >similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" >stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as >their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find >doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, >and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now >to 40 years ago. It's not impossible- cannabis denatures very slowly, and in any case there is data from the 60s which can be compared with the present day. I know of two well-conducted studies which have concluded that yes, cannabis has got stronger overall, and one of them did indeed mention *one* exceptional sample which was "ten times as strong as the 60s" - naturally the media seized on this and reported it as being the present-day norm, which it almost certainly isn't. But it seems likely that the expansion of interest in growing techniques, hybridisation, etc, will have produced more potent strains. As for the link between cannabis and psychosis- it is established beyond all reasonable doubt that if you *already* have a serious mental illness, cannabis use is likely to be very bad news indeed, and significantly increases your chances of relapse. What's more controversial is whether cannabis can, in and of itself, *cause* psychosis. A recent paper reviewing the evidence concluded that it is indeed a risk factor, but..."cannabis use appears to be neither a sufficient nor a necessary cause for psychosis. It is a component cause, part of a complex constellation of factors leading to psychosis". Just like almost everything else that has been identified as a risk factor, in other words. Personally I don't find it hard to believe that heavy use of mind-altering drugs can alter your mind in a lasting way, particularly when certain other conditions are satisfied. Indeed it seems very unlikely to me that it could really be otherwise. Of course, what has (to my knowledge) *never* been studied is the possibility that moderate use of cannabis may have *beneficial* effects on some people's mental health, which also strikes me as entirely plausible. Going back to Syd Barrett, I read (admittedly in a Sunday newspaper rather than anywhere scientifically reputable) that he has never been given any formal psychiatric diagnosis, and never been sectioned. I got the impression that while he surely does have his problems, he is not quite the acid-fried casualty of popular myth. There again, I also remember Dave Gilmour saying in an interview that after Syd's burnout, he (Gilmour) only took acid a couple more times, as "Syd was a walking example of why not to". So who knows. cheers Nick From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Jul 2 16:18:46 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?=) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:18:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? Cheers Mick --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Jul 2 17:54:39 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: And from what I remember, most of the $10/oz. pot we bought in the early 70s was homegrown and probably not very strong(though strong enough!). It wasn't until it was imported in vast quantities from foreign lands that it was bred for quality & potency. Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman wrote: > > Especially the shit that is passed off as LSD these days. Which - btw - > there really is very little real LSD anymore. The cost of setting up a lab > that is as sterile and hygienic as is required (and keeping it secret) > forces most people to just make garbage from all sorts of poisons. Not the > REAL DEAL. Give it a miss. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > > > HawkFan writes: > > > > > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > > > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a > bit > > > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > > > fallen off anyway. > > > > Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as > > pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people > > over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent > > psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in > > the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall > > over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social > > sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental > > recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would > > apply. > > > > What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to > > some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce > > similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" > > stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as > > their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find > > doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, > > and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now > > to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this one > > until the research jury comes in. > > > > Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" > > researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably > > just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy > > in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. > > > > To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and > > smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue > > with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking > > looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic > > that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be > > good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. > > > > FoFP > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jul 2 18:47:22 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:17:22 +0930 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: dunno mate. but I would imagine - being that they are one of the heavier electric guitars perhaps its not so favourite? anyway like I says I dunno. big guess. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 5:48 AM Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar > It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? > > Cheers > Mick > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jul 2 18:52:28 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:22:28 +0930 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: I would have liked to have spent a weekend at Dr Leary's pad man ha-ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Various > And from what I remember, most of the $10/oz. pot we bought in the early 70s was > homegrown and probably not very strong(though strong enough!). It wasn't until it was imported in vast quantities from foreign lands that it was bred for quality & potency. > Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman wrote: > > > > Especially the shit that is passed off as LSD these days. Which - btw - > > there really is very little real LSD anymore. The cost of setting up a lab > > that is as sterile and hygienic as is required (and keeping it secret) > > forces most people to just make garbage from all sorts of poisons. Not the > > REAL DEAL. Give it a miss. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > > > > > > HawkFan writes: > > > > > > > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > > > > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a > > bit > > > > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > > > > fallen off anyway. > > > > > > Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as > > > pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people > > > over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent > > > psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in > > > the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall > > > over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social > > > sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental > > > recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would > > > apply. > > > > > > What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to > > > some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce > > > similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" > > > stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as > > > their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find > > > doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, > > > and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now > > > to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this one > > > until the research jury comes in. > > > > > > Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" > > > researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably > > > just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy > > > in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. > > > > > > To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and > > > smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue > > > with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking > > > looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic > > > that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be > > > good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jul 2 19:18:09 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: Nice to see some input from someone with (unlike me) professional knowledge ... On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:47:13 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:41:57 +0100, M Holmes >wrote: > >>Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as >>pre-schizophrenic ... > >"Pre-schizophrenic" is a nebulous and difficult concept... > >>and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people >>over the edge. > >This, interestingly enough, has never actually been proven, although I >think you are right to presume that it must be true. The anecdotal evidence would seem to favor that theory, yes. I recall reading that one's mental state under the influence of LSD is very similar to the mental state of a schizophrenic, but this is only for the 12-some hours of the drug's effectiveness. >Amphetamines, on the other hand, are well-known for producing a psychosis >that is pretty much indistinguishable from schizophrenia. 'A Scanner Darkly', by (notorious speedfreak) Philip K. Dick provides an incredibly disturbing fictionalized version of this phenomenon, which, as I understand, does require long-term exposure to become a semi-permanent condition. (And is what I was talking about when I mentioned people who had screwed up their lives from amphetamine abuse to the point where they were unable to carry on human relationships.) Later in his life, Dick reported seeing visions of pink laser lights, and of being spoken to by his sister who had died in infancy, both classic symptoms. Perhaps it's the same sort of schizophrenia that makes one collect military & nazi regalia while writing anti-war songs for his albums ... ;^) >Of course, what has (to my knowledge) *never* been studied is the >possibility that moderate use of cannabis may have *beneficial* effects on >some people's mental health, which also strikes me as entirely plausible. It's been shown that mental stress can aversely affect one's health, so if it could be shown that cannabis relieves mental stress (definitely one of its effects, at least anecdotally), that would be evidence of potential benefits in that area. Continuing with rockstar anecdotes, more than one person has said that the only time in his life that John Lennon was a "nice guy" was the year (c. 66/67) that he was using LSD heavily. >Going back to Syd Barrett, I read (admittedly in a Sunday newspaper rather >than anywhere scientifically reputable) that he has never been given any >formal psychiatric diagnosis, and never been sectioned. I got the >impression that while he surely does have his problems, he is not >quite the acid-fried casualty of popular myth. He's been living with his mum for over 30 years (just like Roky Erickson!), which, I would think, would keep him out of clinics & hospitals as long as he's non-violent. I have heard that he has considerable physical health problems (diabetes, for starters) these days. It's clear that whatever it was that happened to him made it sadly impossible for him to continue his promising musical career. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jul 2 19:59:34 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:59:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:18:46 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= wrote: > >It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know >how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be >using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? I don't think that Dave has *ever* used a Les Paul (unless he borrowed one in Sweden recently) ... his Space Ritual-era guitar that looks like one is a custom job. Much useful info about his guitars here: http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html (Huw, on the other hand, seems to always be playing a Les Paul. In two- guitar bands, I definitely prefer to see/hear the guitarists using different - hopefully very different - models. One excellent example is the Dictators, with Top Ten playing roots-rock style on a Fender, and Ross The Boss playing metal-ish lead & crunch on a 'Paul.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 2 20:30:47 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:30:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > >I recall reading that one's mental state under the influence of LSD is >very similar to the mental state of a schizophrenic In the 60s there was a vogue for some psychiatrists to take LSD, allegedly so that they could get better insights into the experiences of their psychotic patients, although this may just have been a handy "acceptable" reason to put before more conservative colleagues who would otherwise have judged their curiosity and experimentation "unacceptable". (Leary, of course, made no bones about *his* reasons for taking it, but that's another story). However one has to be cautious about overstating the similarities between LSD and schizophrenia. For starters, while visual phenomena do sometimes occur in schizophrenia, they are actually relatively uncommon- whereas they are very much the norm with LSD. Secondly, schizophrenia almost always involves auditory hallucinations ("hearing voices"), whereas the perceptual distortions induced by LSD are often illusions rather than true hallucinations*, though this does vary between individuals and between experiences. Then there is the question of the emotional content of the experience: many LSD experiences are reported as highly enjoyable- hardly something one could say about the terrifying paranoia of acute schizophrenia. And while LSD and schizophrenia may both involve feelings of mystical revelation or cosmic insight, in psychosis these often have a highly unpleasant flavour, and frequently involve ideas that are so bizarre as to be unique (and baffling to anyone else)- whereas LSD "insights" - whether or not one judges them worthwhile- tend to be more benign, and expressed in ways that are more consistent with the general cultural approach to such things. But on these last points a "bad trip" may indeed be much more akin to a paranoid psychosis. *illusion= distorted perception of something that _is_ actually there e.g. seeing a table as a four-legged animal. hallucination= percept in the _absence_ of a stimulus. >>Amphetamines, on the other hand, are well-known for producing a psychosis >>that is pretty much indistinguishable from schizophrenia. > >'A Scanner Darkly', by (notorious speedfreak) Philip K. Dick provides an >incredibly disturbing fictionalized version of this phenomenon, which, as >I understand, does require long-term exposure to become a semi-permanent >condition. (And is what I was talking about when I mentioned people who >had screwed up their lives from amphetamine abuse to the point where they >were unable to carry on human relationships.) Later in his life, Dick >reported seeing visions of pink laser lights, and of being spoken to by >his sister who had died in infancy, both classic symptoms. Didn't he also claim to have been contacted by extraterrestrial intelligences... weren't the "Valis" books based on these experiences? I haven't read any of his later work but everything I've heard about it does indeed suggest that it bears all the hallmarks of speed psychosis. Anyway Doug I'm glad you popped up because I recently came across this rather fine site: http://www.cameraobscura.com.au and somewhere in there is an MP3 from one of your bands Primodial Undermind, though as far as I can make out you didn't play on that particular track.. unless it was under a pseudonym? Anyway it's interesting stuff, how do I get to hear more? Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 2 20:32:02 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:32:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > >I recall reading that one's mental state under the influence of LSD is >very similar to the mental state of a schizophrenic In the 60s there was a vogue for some psychiatrists to take LSD, allegedly so that they could get better insights into the experiences of their psychotic patients, although this may just have been a handy "acceptable" reason to put before more conservative colleagues who would otherwise have judged their curiosity and experimentation "unacceptable". (Leary, of course, made no bones about *his* reasons for taking it, but that's another story). However one has to be cautious about overstating the similarities between LSD and schizophrenia. For starters, while visual phenomena do sometimes occur in schizophrenia, they are actually relatively uncommon- whereas they are very much the norm with LSD. Secondly, schizophrenia almost always involves auditory hallucinations ("hearing voices"), whereas the perceptual distortions induced by LSD are often illusions rather than true hallucinations*, though this does vary between individuals and between experiences. Then there is the question of the emotional content of the experience: many LSD experiences are reported as highly enjoyable- hardly something one could say about the terrifying paranoia of acute schizophrenia. And while LSD and schizophrenia may both involve feelings of mystical revelation or cosmic insight, in psychosis these often have a highly unpleasant flavour, and frequently involve ideas that are so bizarre as to be unique (and baffling to anyone else)- whereas LSD "insights" - whether or not one judges them worthwhile- tend to be more benign, and expressed in ways that are more consistent with the general cultural approach to such things. But on these last points a "bad trip" may indeed be much more akin to a paranoid psychosis. *illusion= distorted perception of something that _is_ actually there e.g. seeing a table as a four-legged animal. hallucination= percept in the _absence_ of a stimulus. >>Amphetamines, on the other hand, are well-known for producing a psychosis >>that is pretty much indistinguishable from schizophrenia. > >'A Scanner Darkly', by (notorious speedfreak) Philip K. Dick provides an >incredibly disturbing fictionalized version of this phenomenon, which, as >I understand, does require long-term exposure to become a semi-permanent >condition. (And is what I was talking about when I mentioned people who >had screwed up their lives from amphetamine abuse to the point where they >were unable to carry on human relationships.) Later in his life, Dick >reported seeing visions of pink laser lights, and of being spoken to by >his sister who had died in infancy, both classic symptoms. Didn't he also claim to have been contacted by extraterrestrial intelligences... weren't the "Valis" books based on these experiences? I haven't read any of his later work but everything I've heard about it does indeed suggest that it bears all the hallmarks of speed psychosis. Anyway Doug I'm glad you popped up because I recently came across this rather fine site: http://www.cameraobscura.com.au and somewhere in there is an MP3 from one of your bands Primordial Undermind, though as far as I can make out you didn't play on that particular track.. unless it was under a pseudonym? Anyway it's interesting stuff, how do I get to hear more? Nick From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Fri Jul 2 21:01:15 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (Paul Eaton-Jones) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:01:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar In-Reply-To: <20040702201846.31315.qmail@web86208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh HAPPY day. Yes, yes, yes. Let's hope it's a decision to use it for the foreseeable future. Paul On Friday, Jul 2, 2004, at 21:18 Europe/London, Michael Crook wrote: > It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know > how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be > using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? > > Cheers > Mick > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express > yourself > From youless at COX.NET Fri Jul 2 21:12:40 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:12:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: Hi Doug, thanks for the plug :-) Dave's guitar from 71-75 looked from a distance like a Les Paul but was a Dick Knight Custom. The one Huw often played in 79-80 (and it came out again at Blackheath 1997) was a white Les Paul Custom. As this guitar of Huw's has aged it has acquired a more yellowish sheen, much like the one in the photos of Dave at UEA Norwich / Swedenrock. So, I was wondering if it *is* Huw's Les Paul. Hawkwind's music has always seemed to me to demand more "Gibsonish" guitar tones than Fender-like ones...Dave's Westone being halfway between the two as it's a guitar in the broader Strat tradition, but he uses the humbucker pickup on it. Geek speak over. Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:59:34 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:18:46 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= > wrote: >> >>It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know >>how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be >>using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? > >I don't think that Dave has *ever* used a Les Paul (unless he borrowed one >in Sweden recently) ... his Space Ritual-era guitar that looks like one is >a custom job. > >Much useful info about his guitars here: >http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html > >(Huw, on the other hand, seems to always be playing a Les Paul. In two- >guitar bands, I definitely prefer to see/hear the guitarists using >different - hopefully very different - models. One excellent example is >the Dictators, with Top Ten playing roots-rock style on a Fender, and Ross >The Boss playing metal-ish lead & crunch on a 'Paul.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jul 2 21:19:11 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:49:11 +0930 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: I have decided not to record anything more until I get a les paul guitar and a supernova synth. But then I already have an albums worth of music, which is tentatively titled "Lucid Dreams", to follow after Samsara with so I can take a break now for a while..... I think. Well at least the Alien Dreams - not Space Mirrors (don't want to give Alisa the wrong impression there :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Eaton-Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar > Oh HAPPY day. Yes, yes, yes. Let's hope it's a decision to use it for > the foreseeable future. Paul > On Friday, Jul 2, 2004, at 21:18 Europe/London, Michael Crook wrote: > > > It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know > > how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be > > using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? > > > > Cheers > > Mick > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express > > yourself > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jul 2 21:21:20 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:51:20 +0930 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: Guitar speak is never geek speak, man. Well not to me anyway! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar > Hi Doug, thanks for the plug :-) > > Dave's guitar from 71-75 looked from a distance like a Les Paul but was a > Dick Knight Custom. The one Huw often played in 79-80 (and it came out > again at Blackheath 1997) was a white Les Paul Custom. As this guitar of > Huw's has aged it has acquired a more yellowish sheen, much like the one in > the photos of Dave at UEA Norwich / Swedenrock. So, I was wondering if it > *is* Huw's Les Paul. > > Hawkwind's music has always seemed to me to demand more "Gibsonish" guitar > tones than Fender-like ones...Dave's Westone being halfway between the two > as it's a guitar in the broader Strat tradition, but he uses the humbucker > pickup on it. > > Geek speak over. > > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:59:34 -0400, Doug Pearson > wrote: > > >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:18:46 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= > > wrote: > >> > >>It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know > >>how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be > >>using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? > > > >I don't think that Dave has *ever* used a Les Paul (unless he borrowed one > >in Sweden recently) ... his Space Ritual-era guitar that looks like one is > >a custom job. > > > >Much useful info about his guitars here: > >http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html > > > >(Huw, on the other hand, seems to always be playing a Les Paul. In two- > >guitar bands, I definitely prefer to see/hear the guitarists using > >different - hopefully very different - models. One excellent example is > >the Dictators, with Top Ten playing roots-rock style on a Fender, and Ross > >The Boss playing metal-ish lead & crunch on a 'Paul.) > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 2 22:31:14 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:31:14 EDT Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2004 6:59:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: (Huw, on the other hand, seems to always be playing a Les Paul Huw also played an ES-137, I think. Like on the 'Black Sword' video. It looks like an LP, but is bigger, is a hollow body with two f-holes. Joe From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Jul 2 22:45:44 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:45:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: It's true that LSD is not easy to make as an amateur, which is why other substances are passed off as LSD. When I hear lots of people describing their "acid experiences," it sounds more like their "strychnine experiences." John Majka--pharmacist who studied a lot of medicinal chemistry > Especially the shit that is passed off as LSD these days. Which - btw - > there really is very little real LSD anymore. The cost of setting up a lab > that is as sterile and hygienic as is required (and keeping it secret) > forces most people to just make garbage from all sorts of poisons. Not the > REAL DEAL. Give it a miss. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > > > HawkFan writes: > > > > > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > > > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a > bit > > > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > > > fallen off anyway. > > > > Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as > > pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people > > over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent > > psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in > > the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall > > over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social > > sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental > > recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would > > apply. > > > > What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due to > > some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce > > similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" > > stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as > > their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find > > doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is up, > > and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now > > to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this one > > until the research jury comes in. > > > > Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" > > researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably > > just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy > > in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. > > > > To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and > > smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue > > with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking > > looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic > > that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be > > good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. > > > > FoFP > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jul 3 03:09:29 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:09:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who came along to the Pleasure Unit Bar last night and a special thanks to the Assassins of Silence for inviting Litmus to play. The stunning debut CD from Litmus "You Are Here" is now available; go to: http://www.spacemusic.biz Colin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jul 3 03:23:11 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:53:11 +0930 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: That's what it mostly is and its easy to tell when its strychnine based. Its a rather lame trip and when its over you feel like you need a new spine. Can't be good for you at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: Re: HW: Various > It's true that LSD is not easy to make as an amateur, which is why other > substances are passed off as LSD. When I hear lots of people describing > their "acid experiences," it sounds more like their "strychnine > experiences." > > John Majka--pharmacist who studied a lot of medicinal chemistry > > > Especially the shit that is passed off as LSD these days. Which - btw - > > there really is very little real LSD anymore. The cost of setting up a > lab > > that is as sterile and hygienic as is required (and keeping it secret) > > forces most people to just make garbage from all sorts of poisons. Not > the > > REAL DEAL. Give it a miss. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > > > > > > HawkFan writes: > > > > > > > I know people who took LSD regularly and seem to have survived with > > > > relatively untwisted personalities. I suspect Syd Barrett was always a > > bit > > > > strange. Maybe the LSD pushed him off the edge and maybe he would have > > > > fallen off anyway. > > > > > > Sure. As I said, about 3% of the population can be regarded as > > > pre-schizophrenic and LSD is one of the things that can tip those people > > > over the edge. While personal and family history, and to an extent > > > psychological testing, can give a little insight into whether one is in > > > the 3% or the 97%, it's not an edge anyone would actually want to fall > > > over. A lifetime on antipsychotic drugs, or sliding down the social > > > sxale due to mental illness, is a huge price to pay for a little mental > > > recreation. OTOH, if I broke my neck skiing, pretty much the same would > > > apply. > > > > > > What's been interesting recently is that there's been a moral panic due > to > > > some research claims that regular use of strong cannabis can induce > > > similar effects. It's appeared in the press as "Cannabis Psychosis" > > > stories involving "super skunk" and "marijuana ten times as strong as > > > their parents used in the 60's". It doesn't seem to be hard to find > > > doctors who'll say that the incidence of admission for this reason is > up, > > > and it wouldn't be exactly easy to compare the strength of cannabis now > > > to 40 years ago. I expect there'll be a few more moral panics on this > one > > > until the research jury comes in. > > > > > > Then again, it turned out that the "Ecstasy swiss-cheeses your brain" > > > researchers had been unknowingly testing speed all along. We'll probably > > > just have to wait a decade to see whether the 20 year olds using ecstasy > > > in the 90's turn out to be miserable 40 year olds. > > > > > > To be fair to researchers though, the 50 year study into doctors and > > > smoking is one hell of a piece of work. I doubt even FOREST could argue > > > with a straight face that it's not bad for you, and passive smoking > > > looks to be worse than previously thought too. I'm geting optimistic > > > that a public ban on smoking is close to arrival in Scotland. It'd be > > > good to get my favourite drug without breathing other people's poisons. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Jul 3 05:53:09 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:53:09 +0200 Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind Message-ID: Hello folks, Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 people went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter festival. I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME sight. Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. greetings filip From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jul 3 09:02:42 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:32:42 +0930 Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind Message-ID: The music of Hawkwind is eternal.. ...about the fender.... I can only think of all the guitar players out their in the world with cheap shitty guitars who can't afford fenders watching with a tear in their eyes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > Hello folks, > > Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the > openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 people > went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter festival. > > I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME sight. > > Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. > > greetings > filip > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jul 3 14:57:28 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:57:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Various Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:32:02 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400, Doug Pearson >wrote: > >In the 60s there was a vogue for some psychiatrists to take LSD, allegedly >so that they could get better insights into the experiences of their >psychotic patients, although this may just have been a handy "acceptable" >reason to put before more conservative colleagues who would otherwise have >judged their curiosity and experimentation "unacceptable". (Leary, of >course, made no bones about *his* reasons for taking it, but that's another >story). It IS frustrating that the cultural baggage associated with these drugs prevents legitimate research/treatment with them (with ecstasy being of unquestionable value in counseling/negotiation situations, and LSD having potential therapeutic value for addiction treatment & mental well-being of terminal disease patients). >However one has to be cautious about overstating the similarities between >LSD and schizophrenia... Thanks for the list of some pretty significant differences :^) ... >... schizophrenia almost always >involves auditory hallucinations ("hearing voices"), whereas the perceptual >distortions induced by LSD are often illusions rather than true >hallucinations* ... >*illusion= distorted perception of something that _is_ actually there e.g. >seeing a table as a four-legged animal. hallucination= percept in the >_absence_ of a stimulus. Same with audio? Hearing voices in your head = hallucination (amphetamine psychosis/schizophrenia), normal sounds sounding distorted or echoed = illusion (LSD)? >>>Amphetamines, on the other hand, are well-known for producing a psychosis >>>that is pretty much indistinguishable from schizophrenia. >> >>'A Scanner Darkly', by (notorious speedfreak) Philip K. Dick provides an >>incredibly disturbing fictionalized version of this phenomenon ... > >Didn't he also claim to have been contacted by extraterrestrial >intelligences... weren't the "Valis" books based on these experiences? I >haven't read any of his later work but everything I've heard about it does >indeed suggest that it bears all the hallmarks of speed psychosis. Yes on both accounts. The Valis books are seriously out there, involving the aforementioned psychoses, along with revolutionary alien intelligences, some sort of gnostic christian time travel (with Nixon's Amerika being the Roman Empire), and uncomfortably-autobiographical melodrama (like most speed freaks, he had horrible relations with other people and was difficult to get along with). The concepts expressed in even his earlier books (about the nature of reality vs. perception, individual identity, etc., all with massive paranoia) might seem to be evidence of a "pre-" or "proto-" schizophrenic state? >Anyway Doug I'm glad you popped up because I recently came across this >rather fine site: > >http://www.cameraobscura.com.au Yes, great psychedelic music label. >and somewhere in there is an MP3 from one of your bands Primordial >Undermind, though as far as I can make out you didn't play on that >particular track.. unless it was under a pseudonym? Anyway it's interesting >stuff, how do I get to hear more? No, that track's from the third PU album on the label (I'm only on the second, 'Universe I've Got'), although their latest is on Emperor Jones (the label run by King Koffee of the Butthole Sutfers, which put out a couple ST37 albums). Coincidentally/incestuously, I've been playing with Tom Carter (Charalambides, ex-Mike Gunn), the second guitarist on that MP3, recently. I think that 'Universe' is still in print, or I might still have extra copies. Drop me a line offlist ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jul 3 16:38:46 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:38:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar Message-ID: Oh yes - get the Les Paul out! Although the sound he was getting out of the Ibanez Artiste in the late 70's and early 80's (pre-westone) was alright. I heard that he was using a Yamaha SG on some of the Hawklords dates - I had quite a spirited dabate with a mate at a gig on the Sonic Attack tour about that! I'm a Yamaha SG 2000 man meself. Huw was still playing the white LP at LLG gigs in the mid 80's - that's another tale.... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Steve Youles To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 03 July 2004 02:12 Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar >Hi Doug, thanks for the plug :-) > >Dave's guitar from 71-75 looked from a distance like a Les Paul but was a >Dick Knight Custom. The one Huw often played in 79-80 (and it came out >again at Blackheath 1997) was a white Les Paul Custom. As this guitar of >Huw's has aged it has acquired a more yellowish sheen, much like the one in >the photos of Dave at UEA Norwich / Swedenrock. So, I was wondering if it >*is* Huw's Les Paul. > >Hawkwind's music has always seemed to me to demand more "Gibsonish" guitar >tones than Fender-like ones...Dave's Westone being halfway between the two >as it's a guitar in the broader Strat tradition, but he uses the humbucker >pickup on it. > >Geek speak over. > >Steve > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:59:34 -0400, Doug Pearson >wrote: > >>On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:18:46 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Crook?= >> wrote: >>> >>>It just looks right somehow seeing Dave with a Les Paul - anyone know >>>how long it is since he last used one on stage and how he came to be >>>using one at Sweden? Was it a one off? >> >>I don't think that Dave has *ever* used a Les Paul (unless he borrowed one >>in Sweden recently) ... his Space Ritual-era guitar that looks like one is >>a custom job. >> >>Much useful info about his guitars here: >>http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html >> >>(Huw, on the other hand, seems to always be playing a Les Paul. In two- >>guitar bands, I definitely prefer to see/hear the guitarists using >>different - hopefully very different - models. One excellent example is >>the Dictators, with Top Ten playing roots-rock style on a Fender, and Ross >>The Boss playing metal-ish lead & crunch on a 'Paul.) >> >> -Doug >> jasret at mindspring.com From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Jul 4 05:28:23 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:28:23 +0200 Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <000801c460fe$0705b230$94ca8890@homer> Message-ID: You've got a point there Michael. You remind me how long it took for me to buy a real Les Paul after having a shitty japanese clone when I was 14 years old. Beside that,I saw MM playing here in a club only 3 weeks ago (only 200 people allowed) and they started with "The Right Stuff" too and it was smoking (beter than Hawkwind). I can somehow (not fully) understand why he smashed his guitar.It was really exiting. Think about the fully blast top Hawkwind at Amsterdam with 3 guitars and one bass full power all the way. greetings filip -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2004 15:03 Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Onderwerp: Re: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind The music of Hawkwind is eternal.. ...about the fender.... I can only think of all the guitar players out their in the world with cheap shitty guitars who can't afford fenders watching with a tear in their eyes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > Hello folks, > > Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the > openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 people > went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter festival. > > I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME sight. > > Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. > > greetings > filip > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jul 4 10:56:17 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:26:17 +0930 Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind Message-ID: I would love watching them smash cheap guitars because I've smashed cheap guitars before and that was fun because they were so awful. But smashing a good quality guitar has to be a sin. I still have yet to buy a good les paul but I'll get there. However I do have a nice esp at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > You've got a point there Michael. > You remind me how long it took for me to buy a real Les Paul after having a > shitty japanese clone when I was 14 years old. > > Beside that,I saw MM playing here in a club only 3 weeks ago (only 200 > people allowed) > and they started with "The Right Stuff" too and it was smoking (beter than > Hawkwind). > I can somehow (not fully) understand why he smashed his guitar.It was really > exiting. > Think about the fully blast top Hawkwind at Amsterdam with 3 guitars and one > bass full power all the way. > > greetings > filip > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens Michael "AlIeN dReAm" > Blackman > Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2004 15:03 > Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Onderwerp: Re: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > > The music of Hawkwind is eternal.. > ...about the fender.... > I can only think of all the guitar players out their in the world with cheap > shitty guitars who can't afford fenders watching with a tear in their > eyes.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM > Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > > > Hello folks, > > > > Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the > > openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 > people > > went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter > festival. > > > > I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME > sight. > > > > Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. > > > > greetings > > filip > > > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 5 04:02:02 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:02:02 +0200 Subject: HW: From official Hawiwnd Web Site Message-ID: Saturday July 10th Ruisrock Festival (10th-11th July) Turku Finland INFOLINE Call: 0600-070 809 (In Finland) Weekdays from 9 to 5 Please send email to info at tiketti.fi for purchasing tickets from abroad. [Website] LATEST NEWS: LEMMY will be joining the band onstage on this gig !! - also Dave Wyndorf and Phil Caivano from Monster Magnet will be joining us for our set ! From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Jul 5 07:35:03 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:35:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Having seen MM a couple of times lately, with DaveW doing his guitar smashing "we all have to make sacrifices" routine, I can ease your pangs - he does it with a basic bog-standard Squier Affinity Strat (c.?125) which is obviously bought for the purpose! ChrisW > The music of Hawkwind is eternal.. > ...about the fender.... > I can only think of all the guitar players out their in the > world with cheap shitty guitars who can't afford fenders > watching with a tear in their eyes.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM > Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > > Hello folks, > > > > Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the > > openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 > people > > went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter > festival. > > > > I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME > sight. > > > > Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. > > > > greetings > > filip > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:26:17 +0930 > From: "Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman" > > Subject: Re: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > I would love watching them smash cheap guitars because I've > smashed cheap guitars before and that was fun because they > were so awful. But smashing a good quality guitar has to be > a sin. I still have yet to buy a good les paul but I'll get > there. However I do have a nice esp at the moment. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jul 5 07:44:27 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:14:27 +0930 Subject: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Squires deserve smashing - no problem with that :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet > Having seen MM a couple of times lately, with DaveW doing his guitar smashing "we all have to make sacrifices" routine, I can ease your pangs - he does it with a basic bog-standard Squier Affinity Strat (c.?125) which is obviously bought for the purpose! > > ChrisW > > > The music of Hawkwind is eternal.. > > ...about the fender.... > > I can only think of all the guitar players out their in the > > world with cheap shitty guitars who can't afford fenders > > watching with a tear in their eyes.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM > > Subject: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > Dave wyndorf of Monster Magnet smashed his Fender guitar during the > > > openingsong "The Right Stuff" after 5 min. into the gig while 70.000 > > people > > > went bananas and out of their skull yesterday at the Rock Wechter > > festival. > > > > > > I wasn't there but a friend of mine was and he said it was an AWSOME > > sight. > > > > > > Now isn't that a good plug for our beloved hawks. > > > > > > greetings > > > filip > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:26:17 +0930 > > From: "Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman" > > > > Subject: Re: Monster Magnet/Hawkwind > > > > I would love watching them smash cheap guitars because I've > > smashed cheap guitars before and that was fun because they > > were so awful. But smashing a good quality guitar has to be > > a sin. I still have yet to buy a good les paul but I'll get > > there. However I do have a nice esp at the moment. > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Jul 5 07:50:28 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:50:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: The "Les Paul" that I've seen Huw toting with Hawkwind in recent years is actually a Guild Bluesbird - can't 'member if it was the one with P90s or the humbucker version. Definitely a very nice guitar either way, and as "good" as a Les Paul (for want of a better way of putting it). All power to Dave & Huw for not going with the standard stuff. Me, I have a thing for Washburns & DeArmonds. If anybody wants a Westone, they've currently got one in the London Bass Centre right now, and in Andy's on Denmark St. they've got an earlier version of the Ibanez/Roland thing with active cicuits & synth-pickup. The latest version of the Roland guitar synth/hexaphonic pickup is ludicrously cheap (about ?360 for both, or ?99 just for the midi pickup ), so you could get the Westone and kit it out.... Cheers ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:31:14 EDT > From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar > > In a message dated 7/2/2004 6:59:44 PM US Eastern Standard > Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: (Huw, on the other hand, > seems to always be playing a Les Paul Huw also played an > ES-137, I think. Like on the 'Black Sword' video. > > It looks like an LP, but is bigger, is a hollow body with two f-holes. > > Joe From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jul 5 09:34:38 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael "AlIeN dReAm" Blackman) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:04:38 +0930 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: Yeah that black guitar on out of the shadows is not a Les Paul. Sounds hot tho. Brand names should not be included in the first 3 reasons for choosing a guitar if one knows what to look for and listen for in a good guitar. cheap washburn guitars are ok to be smashed as well as squires. awful guitars both(the cheapo ones). and I hate cheap junk Ibanez guitars as well but I've heard some nice Ibanez models. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: HW: Guitars (more Geek Speak) > The "Les Paul" that I've seen Huw toting with Hawkwind in recent years is actually a Guild Bluesbird - can't 'member if it was the one with P90s or the humbucker version. Definitely a very nice guitar either way, and as "good" as a Les Paul (for want of a better way of putting it). All power to Dave & Huw for not going with the standard stuff. Me, I have a thing for Washburns & DeArmonds. > > If anybody wants a Westone, they've currently got one in the London Bass Centre right now, and in Andy's on Denmark St. they've got an earlier version of the Ibanez/Roland thing with active cicuits & synth-pickup. > The latest version of the Roland guitar synth/hexaphonic pickup is ludicrously cheap (about ?360 for both, or ?99 just for the midi pickup ), so you could get the Westone and kit it out.... > > Cheers > ChrisW > > > -----Original Message----- > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:31:14 EDT > > From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: Dave Brock's Guitar > > > > In a message dated 7/2/2004 6:59:44 PM US Eastern Standard > > Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: (Huw, on the other hand, > > seems to always be playing a Les Paul Huw also played an > > ES-137, I think. Like on the 'Black Sword' video. > > > > It looks like an LP, but is bigger, is a hollow body with two f-holes. > > > > Joe > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Jul 5 10:02:21 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:02:21 +0100 Subject: Off:Re: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: Michael wrote: > Yeah that black guitar on out of the shadows is not a Les Paul. > Sounds hot tho. Actually, I could be getting my wires crossed - it might have been a Gibson Blueshawk rather the Guild Bluesbird, but they are kith & kin as alternatives to Pauls... > Brand names should not be included in the first 3 reasons for choosing a > guitar if one knows what to look for and listen for in a good guitar. Absolutely, and the budget brands of the big companies aren't to be sniffed at, you just have to check 'em out more carefully - I have an Epiphone G400 (SG), and it's difficult to justify the extra cost for a real Gibbo. The only real weakness is the pickups (which aren't actually bad) - I'm figuring on fitting a pair of Bareknuckle Warpigs to it to turn it into a real metal monster. >cheap washburn guitars are ok to be smashed as well as squires. Awful >guitars both(the cheapo ones). You're definitely wrong there - I have a BT9 Bandit, and it's a terrific axe. Really slick neck, comfy to play and despite being a non-locking one, the whammy's not too disastrous for the tuning. Granted it came from a guitar store with a legendary tech so it was well set-up, and it looks a bit messy under the scratch plate, but hey, for the money... I've tried a few other Washburns - there's a BT-10 with locking trem and twin 'buckers from the same range in Andy's on Denmark Street, they want too much ??? for it, but it's another fab guitar. The Idols are a good alternative to Epihone Les Pauls & the new X-Series are a good option for would be widdlers. > and I hate cheap junk Ibanez guitars as well but I've heard some nice Ibanez models. Sho' 'nuff - most of their guitars aren't my thing, but I've been quite impressed by the ones I've checked out recently. The poorest thing about cheaper guitars generally is the quality control. Just make sure that the one that you try (and like) in the shop is the one that you actually walk out with, and then give it some tlc and a good set-up. TTFN ChrisW From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Jul 5 10:10:53 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:10:53 +0200 Subject: OT: HW: Various Message-ID: Doug replied (below)... >It took me a long time to realize that Herzberg is *not* at Wilhelmsthal >this year ... >The confusion I've had (I guess) is related to the fact that 1) Burg >Herzberg is under 'new management' this year (otherwise it would have died >after last year), but 2) the old crew (Think Progressive, under Kalle >Becker) seems to still be planning to have a festival at the Wilhelmsthal >site the weekend *after* the "true" Herzberg, but called something like >"Herzberg goes Wilhelmstal" (which is really the renamed (Kloster) >Cornberg Festival, which was held just once (in 2001?), and then >cancelled both in 2002 and 2003, when Kalle was trying to run both >simultaneously). He's got a great lineup for that one planned, including >Tull, Amon Duul II, Outskirts Of Infinity, Bevis Frond, On Trial, and >others. But I hesitate to make serious plans for it, because of recent >history. So I might make a 'game time' decision about staying in central >Germany over the four days in between the two fests, based on what I hear >at Herzberg. -------------- >The confusion over the two festivals didn't help, especially since the >second one (weekend of July 24th) has a far stronger lineup (well, >maybe not Jethro Tull for me) than the first (except, of course, Hawkwind) >IMHO. Soooooo...today I went to www.thinkprogressive.de and found a 'dead' site, with only the nebulous warning of "Houston, we have a problem." Whether that was technical or something to deal with the Wilhelmsthal (non- Hawkwind) festival, I couldn't tell. So I went to see the forum at www.hippies-united.de to find out what's going on, and from that (trying my best to make sense out of all the German posts, without spending too much time with my nose in my dictionary), I learned that Kalle's festival either definitely *is* going to happen, or definitely *not*. Or perhaps somewhere in between. :) So I was right to be a bit skeptical, but the final story has yet to be told, I guess. Perhaps someone (Bernhard?) could have a brief look at the posts there (Forum link is down on the left side of the main page, and then go into the thread for the Wilhelmsthal fest) and let me/us know what's the likely outcome. I guess it has something to do with obtaining the permit from the local government. So, at the moment, I'm only going to be intending to come for the first weekend. I'll probably arrive late Friday afternoon...will anybody (that is due to arrive earlier) be there with a flag of any kind that will be distinctive? Well, anyway, if there's only going to be the one weekend this year (again), I think I'll plan to go to Budapest for the Sziget festival (www.sziget.hu) in early August, where Ole Lukkoye, the Gathering, Amorphis, Uzgin Uver, Korai Orom, Colorstar, and Masfel will all play. See ya' soon...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I distinctly remember Brock playing a whitish-colored Les Paul-like guitar during soundchecks on one of the US tours (either '91 or '95?). Perhaps it was even the one from the '70s shown in those photos Doug linked to....does anyone know if he still owns it? If so, that was likely what he was playing last week. It seemed that he was using it as his backup guitar in case of a broken string mid-song. He never played it during a gig that I saw...only briefly during soundchecks. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jul 5 10:28:20 2004 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:28:20 +0100 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman wrote: > Yeah that black guitar on out of the shadows is not a Les Paul. Sounds hot > tho. It's an Epiphone Nighthawk special. I've got one of those too - lovely guitar. The blue one is a Gibson Blueshawk and it's an absolute pig to restring in a hurry! Keef From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 5 10:36:37 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:36:37 +0200 Subject: OT: HW: Various In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi >Whether that was technical or something to deal with the Wilhelmsthal (non- >Hawkwind) festival, I couldn't tell. So I went to see the forum at www.hippies-united.de to find out what's going >on, and from that (trying my best to make sense out of all the German posts, without spending too much time with my >nose in my dictionary), I learned that Kalle's festival either definitely *is* going to happen, or definitely *not*. >Or perhaps somewhere in between. :) So I was right to be a bit skeptical, but the final story has yet to be told, I >guess. Perhaps someone (Bernhard?) could have a brief look at the posts there (Forum link is down on the left side >of the main page, and then go into the thread for the Wilhelmsthal fest) and let me/us know what's the likely >outcome. I guess it has something to do with obtaining the permit from the local government. Well, all the postings seem to be very primitive Not easy to understand what the folks are trying to say All I could understand is that there will be another Festival (without hawkwind) They had some problems to get the right area but now they got it The festival WITH Hawkwind will be near Breitenbach Here is the link: http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/ You can find here a decription how to go to the festival >So, at the moment, I'm only going to be intending to come for the first weekend. I'll probably arrive late Friday >afternoon...will anybody (that is due to arrive earlier) be there with a flag of any kind that will be distinctive? I will be there, but only on SATURDAY If someone needs my mobile phonenumber please contact me offlist Bernhard From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Jul 5 12:18:51 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:18:51 -0400 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: so keith, what's the story behind dave using the Gibson recently and is this likely to become his main guitar? also still on the subject of guitars, well basses to be precise, anybody got any thoughts on an Epiphone EB-O (Gibson SG shape basically) it's not for me but my daughters taken up the instrument and is also a bit of an AC/DC - Angus Young fan so obviously she likes it for it's cosmetic appearence but any feedback regarding if it's actually any good or not would be appreciated! thanks for your time as ever dave On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:28:20 +0100, Keith Barton wrote: >Michael \"AlIeN dReAm\" Blackman wrote: > >> Yeah that black guitar on out of the shadows is not a Les Paul. Sounds hot >> tho. > >It's an Epiphone Nighthawk special. I've got one of those too - lovely guitar. >The blue one is a Gibson Blueshawk and it's an absolute pig to restring in a >hurry! > >Keef From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jul 5 12:51:21 2004 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:51:21 +0100 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: Dave Law wrote: > so keith, what's the story behind dave using the Gibson recently and is > this likely to become his main guitar? Well I guess we all know that guitars need maintenance work on them from time to time so it's always handy to have another one... I know that was the case for the last Norwich gig... > also still on the subject of guitars, well basses to be precise, anybody > got any thoughts on an Epiphone EB-O (Gibson SG shape basically) > it's not for me but my daughters taken up the instrument and is also a bit > of an AC/DC - Angus Young fan so obviously she likes it for it's cosmetic > appearence but any feedback regarding if it's actually any good or not > would be appreciated! Dunno, best ask a bass player. Epiphone guitars can be very good so I assume it's a similar case with their basses. I'd check a few different ones of the same model in the shop though cos sometimes quality varies from instrument to instrument. If you know any bass players in your area take them along with you. Good luck and don't forget to buy some earplugs for the neighbours (and the cat) - heh heh! Keef From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jul 5 16:22:30 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:30 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival Message-ID: So who's going this at the weekend then? Nick From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jul 5 17:27:45 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:27:45 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival Message-ID: Well, all of us from Litmus are;). By the way, the debut album from Litmus "You Are Here" is now available from http://www.spacemusic.biz We will also have copies at the fest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival > So who's going this at the weekend then? > > Nick From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Jul 5 17:28:42 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:28:42 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival Message-ID: Me and a sales stand - nice to meet any of you, Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival > So who's going this at the weekend then? > > Nick From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 5 21:02:01 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:02:01 EDT Subject: BOC: Remasters?? Message-ID: Y'all: Has anyone heard about any new BOC remasters? The Sony/Legacy site is still flogging the first four. Is this it??? Joe From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jul 5 22:34:39 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:34:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <2b.5b691161.2e1b5409@aol.com> Message-ID: On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:02 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > Has anyone heard about any new BOC remasters? > > The Sony/Legacy site is still flogging the first four. > > Is this it??? I don't think the band really considered how much the remastering would cost. It took 18 months to recoup the cost of the first four. Agents alone was 60K. That was 18 months of no royalties my friends. The plan is to do one at a time from here on in. And to space it out so that the expense of one will not be incurred until the last one has recouped. Looks like Spectres will be next. Al From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 6 11:52:29 2004 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:52:29 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival Message-ID: I'm coming and I'll have a copy Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival > Well, all of us from Litmus are;). > > By the way, the debut album from Litmus "You Are Here" is now available from > http://www.spacemusic.biz > > We will also have copies at the fest. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:22 PM > Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival > > > > So who's going this at the weekend then? > > > > Nick From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jul 6 12:48:29 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:48:29 EDT Subject: HW: From official Hawiwnd Web Site Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2004 4:03:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE writes: > LATEST NEWS: > LEMMY will be joining the band onstage on this gig !! - also Dave > Wyndorf and Phil Caivano from Monster Magnet will be joining us for our > set ! > Am I understanding this correctly? The Hawkwind line-up is Lemmy: Bass/voc, Alan Davey: wavestation/voc/ samples/effects, Brock:/quitar/electronics/samples/programming/keybds/voc, Richard: drums/drum programming/voc/synths, Dave wyndorf: voc/quitar? Phil Caviano:lead guitar. Does this sound right? Best regards, Bill Stewart From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Tue Jul 6 14:20:01 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (Paul Eaton-Jones) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:20:01 +0100 Subject: HW: From official Hawiwnd Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If not correct it certainly sounds noisy. On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 17:48 Europe/London, Stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/2004 4:03:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE writes: > >> LATEST NEWS: >> LEMMY will be joining the band onstage on this gig !! - also Dave >> Wyndorf and Phil Caivano from Monster Magnet will be joining us for >> our >> set ! >> > > Am I understanding this correctly? The Hawkwind line-up is Lemmy: > Bass/voc, > Alan Davey: wavestation/voc/ samples/effects, > Brock:/quitar/electronics/samples/programming/keybds/voc, Richard: > drums/drum programming/voc/synths, Dave > wyndorf: voc/quitar? Phil Caviano:lead guitar. > Does this sound right? > Best regards, > Bill Stewart > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jul 6 15:33:06 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:33:06 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Tour Poster online Message-ID: If anyone would like to see the poster for the Bug Jar gig in Rochester, it's up at: http://www.garagepoprecords.com/images/BSb.jpg It's one of those cool/strange pics that only makes sense on a tour poster. ;-) Brian From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jul 6 17:44:06 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:44:06 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Tour Poster online Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:33:06 -0400, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: >If anyone would like to see the poster for the Bug Jar gig in Rochester, >it's up at: > >http://www.garagepoprecords.com/images/BSb.jpg > >It's one of those cool/strange pics that only makes sense on a tour >poster. ;-) ... or on the inner sleeve of 'Dictators Go Girl Crazy' (from whence it originally came) ... ;^) (Ross the Boss ROCKS!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Jul 6 18:33:35 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:33:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Remasters?? Message-ID: Unky Albert writes: I don't think the band really considered how much the remastering would cost. It took 18 months to recoup the cost of the first four. Agents alone was 60K. That was 18 months of no royalties my friends. The plan is to do one at a time from here on in. And to space it out so that the expense of one will not be incurred until the last one has recouped. Looks like Spectres will be next. Coool! Thanx!! Are the live albums included, or is it just the studio ones? And is 'Imaginos' also included? That would be way too heavily massively cool! It's nice to have friendly people in the know in the right places Joe From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Jul 6 19:15:36 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Guitars EB-O Message-ID: >>>also still on the subject of guitars, well basses to be precise, anybody got any thoughts on an Epiphone EB-O I played one about 3 years ago. It had a great tone, played well and smaller neck so it would be good for someone with small hands. I was playing it through an Ampeg though and I got the feeling that almost any bass would have sounded good through that rig. Personally, I would prefer an actual Gibson (I have played them and they rock), but the Epiphone was pretty decent. I would keep it if someone gave me one! Make sure your daughter learns to play standing up (and dancing around), so she can be a real tribute to Mr. Young. I have recently become a fan of Jackson's basses and own two C5-A's. Nice product for a really sweet price. Brad Dahl From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jul 6 20:14:07 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:14:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jul 6, 2004, at 6:33 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > Are the live albums included, or is it just the studio ones? > And is 'Imaginos' also included? That would be way too heavily > massively cool! The original plan was to do them all with the possible exception of Imaginos. :-( That's what I've been told. CN before Imaginos? Blasphemy! Al From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Wed Jul 7 05:06:25 2004 From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:06:25 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 6 Jul 2004 to 7 Jul 2004 (#2004-164) Message-ID: I think it might be a good idea for me to turn up, we're playing !! Mark (Hasbeen) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:22 PM > Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival > > > > So who's going this at the weekend then? > > > > Nick DISCLAIMER: Information contained in this email or any attachment may be of a confidential nature which should not be disclosed to, copied or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you receive this email in error, please delete the email from your computer. 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From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Jul 7 06:56:40 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:56:40 +0200 Subject: OT: HW: Various Message-ID: Bernhard answered... >>Perhaps someone (Bernhard?) could have a brief look at the >>posts there (Forum link is down on the left side of the main >>page, and then go into the thread for the Wilhelmsthal >>fest) and let me/us know what's the likely outcome. I guess >>it has something to do with obtaining the permit from >>the local government. >Well, all the postings seem to be very primitive >Not easy to understand what the folks are trying to say Ah, that makes me feel better! :) Thanks for checking! >All I could understand is that there will be another Festival >(without hawkwind) >They had some problems to get the right area but now they got it Yeah, OK, they've posted more information about it, and now have shown where it will be held. It will happen at the KOSMOS Gelande site in the small town of Mohra, which is in fact just a few km south of the Eckardtshausen/Wilhelmsthal site from last year's Herzberg event. So going through Eisenach (or perhaps Bad Salzungen) is the way to go still. I think the thinkprogressive.de site is also supposed to come back to life again very shortly with the new information made official. So, as I would very much like to see Amon Duul II again, as well as the Frond, and especially Bari Watts' band (Outskirts of Infinity), I think I will (in the end) intend to hang out in the area in order to attend both fests. It means a full week of vacation, but here vacation days are not so 'precious' as in the US...amazingly, people here are *supposed* to find time to relax and enjoy time off. Crazy idea. >The festival WITH Hawkwind will be near Breitenbach >Here is the link: >http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/ Yep...nice bus connection from Bad Hersfeld straight to the town of Breitenbach...should be easy. You can find here a decription how to go to the festival Grakkl (FAA) From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Jul 7 07:27:04 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:27:04 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Tour Poster online Message-ID: >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 07/06/04 03:33PM >>> If anyone would like to see the poster for the Bug Jar gig in Rochester, it's up at: http://www.garagepoprecords.com/images/BSb.jpg It's one of those cool/strange pics that only makes sense on a tour poster. ;-) Isn't that a pic of Ross from the old Dictators days? theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 7 10:10:35 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <200407070900.i679032U004453@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >>> On Jul 6, 2004, at 6:33 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: >>> >>>> Are the live albums included, or is it just the studio ones? >>>> And is 'Imaginos' also included? That would be way too heavily >>>> massively cool! >>> >>> >>> The original plan was to do them all with the possible exception of >>> Imaginos. :-( That's what I've been told. CN before Imaginos? >>> Blasphemy! >>> Al Given the treatment this album has gotten over the years in terms of both availability and songs (or lack thereof) appearing on compilations, I get the impression that the record company is afraid to touch Imaginos. I know there were legal wranglings after its release, and while I don't want to necessarily dredge up old battles, I wonder if might have something to do with it? John PS: Interesting to hear that the band lost 18 months of royalties while the record label recouped the costs of remastering - just another example of how unscrupulous they are, having the bands foot the costs. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jul 9 19:49:16 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:16 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Article Message-ID: The band's getting good media support for their show tomorrow night in Rochester. This article is from the local daily, though there are decent-sized blurbs in the alternative papers as well. The author's not too kind to the current BOC lineup, and there's no new info (not even a mention of Ross the Boss), but coverage is coverage. Stay tuned for a show review. -Brian Shucking with the Brain Surgeons Jeff Spevak Democrat and Chronicle 7/7/2004 -- Blue Oyster Cult was once a great band. Its 1974 magnum opus, Secret Treaties, is pure amphetamine freak occultism. And literate, as well. Patti Smith wrote some lyrics. Horror writer Stephen King and sci-fi author Michael Moorcock were early fans; King did a spoken-word intro to one song. The cyber-punk novelist John Shirley based his first novel on a Blue Oyster Cult biker rocker, "Transmaniacon MC.' Blue Oyster Cult is still out there, if you're looking to book a band to rattle your company barbecue. "Two Oyster Cult' is how I've heard them referred to recently, just a couple of the original guys in Dockers ? real magnum Opies ? going through the motions. The band's been the subject of a frequently repeated Saturday Night Live skit, "Blue Oyster Cult on Behind the Music,' with Christopher Walken as a studio producer during the recording of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper,' urging on percussionist Will Ferrell. "I gotta have more cowbell, baby!' The Brain Surgeons were playing a small club in Columbus, Ohio, a couple of years ago, when that skit appeared on the TV over the bar. "We were packing up our equipment,' recalls Albert Bouchard. "All of a sudden we heard this big "Whoo!' coming from bar, and someone says, 'Look, look, check this out!'" If you remember that moody, psychedelic Blue Oyster Cult hit from 1976, you'll remember that there was, indeed, a cowbell in it. Bouchard, a drummer and one of the founding members of the band, put the cowbell there. And as one who would know, Bouchard concedes that the Saturday Night Live portrayal was pretty dead-on: "The guys,' he says, "were adequately dopey.' A rock band on life support is a terrible thing to watch. It's best to pull the plug and, in Bouchard's case, call in the Brain Surgeons, who play Saturday at the Bug Jar. "I took some time off from Blue Oyster Cult, because I wanted to do my own thing,' the 57-year-old Bouchard says. "It didn't work out, so I said, 'Hey, I want to be back in the band.' And they said, "No. You quit, you left us in the lurch. What's gonna keep it from happening again?' "I didn't do anything for a while. I was writing songs, but I couldn't get anything out. It was like being constipated.' Finally, there was some movement. And the Brain Surgeons were born, in 1994. Bouchard's wife, Deborah Frost, is a guitarist and one of three lead singers. Her experience was as a punk drummer and, like a couple of the old Blue Oyster Cult guys, working in the rock-criticism arts as well. Hmmmm Nah. Anyway, the Brain Surgeons rock but are unrestrained by labels. They can space rock, they can harmonize like a barbershop quartet. And they play a few Blue Oyster Cult songs. Best of all, Bouchard has a mask depicting a Tokyo-stomping lizard if the band decides to cover BOC's 1977 hit, "Godzilla." Blue Oyster Cult hasn't completely drifted into the '70s cutout bin. Metallica included a version of "Astronomy,' one of many BOC songs written by Bouchard, on its 1998 collection of covers, Garage, Inc. It was a nice pick-me-up for Bouchard. "I was feeling like I was not connected to the current music scene,' he says. "I had students then who said, 'Well, I've never heard of Blue Oyster Cult. I'm into Metallica.' And the next thing you know, one of my songs is on their record. "We had our weaknesses,' Bouchard says of BOC. "There wasn't really a strong lead singer.' Three of them shared vocals, including the band's former road manager. Blue Oyster Cult also very nearly had a female lead singer. "One of the guys met her at a poetry reading,' Bouchard recalls. "He said, 'Well, I've never heard her sing, but she's pretty cool.' She came over and I said, 'Wow, we gotta get this person in this band. She's awesome, with this great poetry.' The rest of the band was not as enthusiastic as I was. Certain people did not want to have a girl in the band at that time.' Ah, the road not taken. The cowbell not rung. How would you like to have been the guy who turned down Patti Smith for a job in your rock band? Jeff Spevak is our staff music critic. You can contact him at jspevak at DemocratandChronicle.com or (585) 258-2452. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jul 10 19:49:09 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:49:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Atomic Bongload, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (June 27, 2004):We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #6), Alchemical Radio (show #62), and Drool Trough (show #13). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Atomic Bongload (show #6) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we review at Aural Innovations. Church of Misery - "Red Ripper Blues" (from The Second Coming) Greenmachine - "Fire Never Ends" (from The Archives of Rotten Blues) Planet 0 - "A Rain Of Cold Blood Part 1" (from A Ragged Silhouette Against The Clouds) Gravitron - "The Black Wing Interceptors" (from Black Wing E.P.) Birdwing - "Let Them Know" (from Black Wing E.P.) Dirty Bird - "Brains" (from Black Wing E.P.) Amps II Eleven - "Waste Of A Pretty Face" (from Amps II Eleven) Low Ton - "Mouse" (from Dead Words) Lord Sterling - "Poison Lips" (from Today's Song For Tomorrow) Highlight - "In My Head" (from Demo 2004) WE - "1971" (from Dinosauric Futurobic) Alchemical Radio (show #62: Non-Stop Jukebox) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Tony Denikos - "Kill ?Em All" Johnny Parry - "Little Ghost" Jonah - "Wishes" Anton Barbeau - "Guladong" Greg Segal - "Neal Smith's Invisible Trike Part 2" Anton Barbeau - "I'm Just A Country Girl" Jen Gloeckner - "Miles Away" Nothing 2 Declare - "No Man" Robbie Roxx And The Monster Band - "Ever Been To Sea Billy?" Strangers On A Train - "Pity On My Name" Kathy Compton - "Sunrise" The Izzys - "Stand Up Laughing, Falling Down To Cry" Force Of Evil - "The Calling" Basement 3 - "Pieces" Sonus Umbra - "Amnesia Junkies Part 1 (Pax Americana)" Syrinx - "Le Vingtieme Cercle" Space Mirrors - "A Trip Through Inner Space" Drool Trough (show #13) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Somebody Famous - "Prisoners Of The Real World" (from Prisoners Of The Real World) Astronaut - "Buried" (from Times New Romance) Rick McAlister - "Apologize" (from Surplus Cheese) The Omegas - "Time Has Come" (from The Omegas) Bruce Atchison - "Watson Lake" (from Space In My Head) Mahi Mahi - "Blue and Gold" (from He No Wa) Alec K. Redfearn & The Eyesores - "Black Holes" (from Every Man For Himself and God Against All) Rebuilthangartheory - "Rusted Magnet" (from With Hurricane Blows) Vinyl Soup - "Mr. Jello" (from Chasing Yesterday) Superczar - "Reality Aroused" (from 6 Lives) Sean Brooks - "Hang Your Hats" (from In Preparation For Dance) Skinbat Scramble - "Pin Cushion" (from Volume Two) Ricky Ropesack - "Five Years To The Red Spot" (from The Be Quick Or Be Dead EP) Coltrane Motion - "Pi Is Exactly Three" (from Datawaslost: Beep Click Strum Sing) Replicator - "It Seems Like The Real Deal, But The Citizenship Doesn't Hurt" (from You Are Under Surveillance) Afterthem - "Remember" (from Afterthem) Canard - "Live In Spain" (from A Pleasure To Be Around) Colin Clary and the Magogs - "" (from Her Life Of Crime) Logic Alley - "Barbie" (from Diabolical Songs) Soniq Theater - "Vamos a Ver" (from The Third Eye) http://Aural-Innovations.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Jul 11 02:07:45 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:07:45 EDT Subject: The Fort on Flame with Rock and Roll Message-ID: Here in Fort Wayne we kicked of our Three Rivers Festival today, and the opening night concert was BOC! 'Bout time the made it back here. Sweated out the stuffy tent and overpriced pop and beer, but it was worth it. The setlist was: R.U. Ready 2 Rock?--in the middle of this the power to the amps failed, causing Eric to claim: "Once again BOC proves too powerful for the amps!" Don't know if this was a 'bit' or not, but Eric, Buck and Danny went over to help Bobby do a four-man drum solo while repairs were being made. Harvester of Eyes Burning for You O.D'd on Life Itself E.T.I The Vigil--don't think I've seen this one live before. Great song. Joan Crawford--Alan and his flying fingers on his keyboards Cities on Flame Last Days of May--Buck had trouble with his 'Cheeseberger' (so maybe the amp prob wasn't a 'bit'?) so Alan stepped in with his Tele and did some grreat soloing. Godzilla--crowd fav, of cuss. everyone sang along (Don't Fear) The Reaper for the encore: Maserati GT (Ain't Got You)--Eric said they were going to do a boogie number. I thought it would be 'Buck's Boogie.' Turned out to be 'Maserati,' which I've never seen live. Eric played his black SG with the silver/pearl-ish Chronos inlay. Cool to see that, since I had an Epiphone SG (a G-310) done up like Eric's; Bigsby tailpiece, but no Chronos. Now, come to find out Eric had his Bigsby removed, and a stop-bar put in . Oh, well, he can play his A LOT BETTER than I can play mine. Joe From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Jul 11 12:37:56 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:37:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: A "dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world" In-Reply-To: <200407092349.i69NnGkv032702@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: from an interview with a bandmember of a group that pearlman produced, avail at http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/082202/overtones.html ---- Years later, Prasad talks about the experience as a soul-scraping enterprise, and a dizzying excursion into Pearlman's world. "He has-well, this is a ridiculous understatement-a very unique way of working," she said. "It's hard now to describe it all. We'd do basic tracks, like eight or nine versions of them, and then he'd do a tape edit on them, pulling little bits out of each performance and literally sticking them together. They did this all the time in the '70s. "Then we'd do the overdubs, countless versions, and try them all on top of what Sandy had pasted together. Then the mixing, and then the mastering. I was flying out to California for weeks at a time, and I even lived in San Rafael for awhile during all of this. "The further you get into a project like this, the more you feel like you have invested in it, and you're sort of trapped by it. You can't walk away. I left a lot of blood on the floor of that studio. At one point, he said to me, 'You have to avoid psycho-spiritual fatigue.' I'm not sure, but I think I passed that once or twice." From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sun Jul 11 16:44:03 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:44:03 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: The Bug Jar, 7/10/04 Message-ID: As a non-professional reviewer, I reserve the right to post my "interpretation" of the setlist. I'm just not that detail-oriented, okay? Sue me. The full setlist looked something like this: Rock 'N' Roll is Dead Tattoo Vampire Gun Cities On Flame Lady of the Harbor Revenge of Vera Gemini State of Emergency Godzilla Dominance & Submission 1st encore The Red & The Black 2nd encore Born to Be Wild I walked into the Bug Jar around 11 as the UV Rays were setting up. So I spent a minute scanning the room for people in Surgeons T-shirts. Rich was there, a long time fan I'd met at a Buffalo gig a few years ago. There were also a couple rocker chics sporting the badass new skull 'n' crossbones style Ts. See: http://www.cellsum.com/Merch.htm My new wife had decided to stay home and catch some Zs after a long work week, so this time it was just me at the bar with a $4 Guinness and an anxiousness to see the UV Rays off the stage and the Surgeons up there with Ross the Boss. You know, the guitarist whose name is ever destined to be followed by "of The Dictators and Manowar." The Rays are the kind of garage band/punk rock outfit that rules the Rochester music scene right now. Though what mostly drew my attention to them was the fact their their rhythm guitarist looks a lot like Burke Shelley from Budgie.... At several points in their set, the singer reminded us how we'd all get the chance to see Ross the Boss tonight. So as the Rays wailed away, I went to the bar area and spoke briefly with Al about the circumstances behind Ross becoming a Brain Surgeon. While Al was editing the Helen Wheels Tribute DVD, he discovered that the most exciting moments were The Dictators set, and the two songs Ross played with the Surgeons. Al, Deb and David had been looking for a new guitarist and here was someone they already knew, who was a NYC rock legend in his own right, and who even knew some of their songs. It was a natural fit, and Ross was into it too. As Ross came over and I introduced myself, Al noticed that the UV Rays were playing a Dictators cover. Ross took off to catch the tribute and I followed him in for the rest of the set. Next up was a band I've seen open for the Surgeons many times, both as Static Cling and as Helen Wheel's backup band: The Skeleton Crew. The Cling put in their usual high-energy set, with Cathi Lee Otis taking the front-person role instead of playing keys. I thought this worked out great. She has an ease at the mic contradicted by what seems like a touch of shyness at being front-and-center. She also has the knack for belting out hard rock anthems. She was especially powerful on Helen Wheel's "Room to Rage." Kim Draheim played his usual blistering guitar with all the technical flair and feeling great lead guitarists possess. At least, all my favorite guitarists. Oh yeah, the Brain Surgeons played too. At about quarter to one Al's harmonica launched the band into a massive version of "Rock 'N' Roll" is Dead", to the yells and raised fists of an anxious crowd. This was the heavy, muscular sound we'd been waiting all night to hear. The Surgeons with Ross the Boss. Or as Deb yelled to the UV Rays at the front of the stage, "Ross the F*cking Boss!" So what did they pull out of their collective ass to follow such a stomping opener? "Tattoo Vampire." The crowd, including yours truly, completely lost it. I'd seen the Surgeons play Tattoo Vampire before, but this version was every bit as maniacal as the original--and then some. Of course, you could say the same about almost every song they played last night. Al had told me that this was only the third time Ross had played or practiced with the Surgeons, and it led to some exciting interpretations. Every solo was Ross. Not Ross playing Buck Dharma, or Ross playing Billy Hilfiger/Pete Bohovesky. He found his way into every song and stamped it with his garage-fired speed metal. That didn't mean it wasn't messy at times. There was a moment or two where the band lost it, but they always got right back on track. When you're like me and have every note of these songs firmly planted in your brain cells, not knowing what's coming next makes every old song feel like the first time you've heard it. The crowd could feel it too. It was the most enthusiastic group I'd seen at a Surgeons gig since the first time they played Ithaca at The Haunt, when a bunch of Billy's family and friends were there and Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" Scruton earned a "you rock!" for his all out freak-out dancing. As for the venerable founders of this hard rock institution, (It's been 10 years since Eponymous, believe it or not.) they were dead-on as usual. David laid down his groovy "monster bass" lines under and around the twin-guitar crunch of Ross and Deb, and did his best Florence Ballard impersonation to Deb and Al's Diana Ross. At her best, Deb is the Surgeon's middle finger. Five feet of concentrated New York attitude. Last night she had it all together, playing off the crowd with a smirk and shreading the paint off the walls on "Gun" and "State of Emergency" in particular. Her guitar rumbled with Ross's the whole set, with her comfortably taking the lead a couple times. She even got in a few literal guitar "licks" during "The Red & The Black." Al is Al. That is to say there's nobody quite like him. His wild vocal takes on "Tattoo Vampire", "Cities On Flame" and "Dominace & Submission" were fun, funny and cool, while his drumming skills are already well known and appreciated here. So there's not much to add besides the fact he had at least one local drummer I know of nodding his head and raising his fist in acknowledgement of Al's talent. Some other interesting moments included walking into the bathroom to find Al playing Astronomy on an acoustic guitar and singing in front of a small audience which I later found included John Weisenthal, the guitarist from Soft White Underbelly. Or at least that's what I thought I heard Al say as he had the band's picture taken with him during the set. Unfortunately, I couldn't hear him too clearly. Another stand out moment for me was the crowd stamping and clapping for a second encore after the Surgeons' storming version of "The Red & The Black," which even inspired a mosh pit. Ross started playing the riff to Born to Be Wild and the band all looked at each other as if to say, "OK, let's go with it." Soon the whole club was singing along, jumping around, smiling and shouting. It was a show stopper to end all shows, and as this one came to an end Al said he hoped they'd get back here soon. I can't wait. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 12 07:50:32 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:50:32 +0100 Subject: How to get there in Germany? Message-ID: Any tips for getting to the festie from Frankfurt airport by car? So is it us, Bernhard, Ian and Nick? FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Jul 12 08:46:19 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:46:19 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Set list addendum Message-ID: Add "Operation Luv" after "Tattoo Vampire." Disclaimer still applies.... From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Jul 12 08:53:16 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:53:16 +0200 Subject: How to get there in Germany? Message-ID: Mike asked... >Any tips for getting to the festie from Frankfurt airport by car? It should be pretty easy I think. Get on the A-5 going north(east), and when you reach Alsfeld, get off onto the B-62 going east, and take it straight to Breitenbach (am Herzberg), and you shouldn't need to ask, as the town is small enough that it should be obvious where all the cars are going. >So is it us, Bernhard, Ian and Nick? And me. And surely Denis, no? Is this Ian Abrahams? Will you have books for sale? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Up at burgherzberg-festival.de there are pictures of the site, e.g., the stage being set up and such, and the grounds look nice. Green and lush, as opposed to nasty brown and dusty. Here, we're having the opposite weather as last summer...here, there's again snow up in the hills! From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 12 11:51:48 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:51:48 +0200 Subject: How to get there in Germany? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Keith Hi Mike >It should be pretty easy I think. Get on the A-5 going north(east), and when you reach Alsfeld, get off onto the B- >62 going east, and take it straight to Breitenbach (am Herzberg), and you shouldn't need to ask, as the town is small >enough that it should be obvious where all the cars are going. Perfect description Keith !! >>So is it us, Bernhard, Ian and Nick? >And me. And surely Denis, no? Yes, Denis Regenbrecht will be there too And Rainer Wangler, Andreas Stuewe and Alfred Koessl Looking forward to meet you all there !! Cheers Bernhard From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Jul 12 12:15:07 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:15:07 -0400 Subject: BOC Book in the works! Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > Former (?) BOC-L member Martin Popoff > (author of a most excellent book on Heavy Metal albums - with very > positive reviews of BOC and tBS albums) will finally be releasing a book > on BOC. Are you one of the people he interviewed for the project between '95 and now? As keeper of the FAQ, I'd say you're eminently qualified to provide the fans' perspective. Maybe even more so than Bolle, since he has a kind of insider status. Brian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 12 12:34:14 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:34:14 +0100 Subject: How to get there in Germany? In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:51:48 +0200 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > Hi Keith > Hi Mike > > > >It should be pretty easy I think. Get on the A-5 going north(east), > and when you reach Alsfeld, get off onto the B- How easy is it to get to the A5 from Frankfurt airport? See ya there... Mike From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 12 13:16:48 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:16:48 +0200 Subject: How to get there in Germany? In-Reply-To: <200407121634.i6CGYEHm013971@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike >How easy is it to get to the A5 from Frankfurt airport? Very easy The A5 goes through Frankfurt City You have to drive into the BAD HERSFELD direction (North / Nortwest) Should be about 110 KM Cheers Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 12 13:42:05 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:42:05 +0200 Subject: How to get there in Germany? In-Reply-To: <200407121634.i6CGYEHm013971@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ooops! Not North / Northwest but North / Northeast direction !!!! Bernhard Hi Mike >How easy is it to get to the A5 from Frankfurt airport? Very easy The A5 goes through Frankfurt City You have to drive into the BAD HERSFELD direction (North / Nortwest) Should be about 110 KM Cheers Bernhard From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jul 12 16:24:13 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:24:13 +0100 Subject: How to get there in Germany? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Is this Ian Abrahams? Will you have books for sale? > No, its Ian Brazewell, a non-listmember friend of mine. I can ask if he's got any books he's trying to offload though... Nick From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 13 09:42:16 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:42:16 +0100 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) In-Reply-To: <40E98709.AE58E6F2@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: Keith Barton wrote: > Dunno, best ask a bass player. Epiphone guitars can be very good so I assume > it's a similar case with their basses. I've never played an Epiphone bass, that I recall, but the late Allen Woody (of Gov't Mule) was a big fan of Epiphone basses and quite a bassist, so Ep basses can't have been that bad! :) BTW: Hi all. I thought this was a good moment to delurk :) I used to be active on BOC-L some years back and just resubscribed from a current address recently :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Jul 13 10:03:39 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:03:39 -0500 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) In-Reply-To: <40F3E6B8.4030809@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Welcome back Carl :-) Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:42 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Keith Barton wrote: > Dunno, best ask a bass player. Epiphone guitars can be very good so I assume > it's a similar case with their basses. I've never played an Epiphone bass, that I recall, but the late Allen Woody (of Gov't Mule) was a big fan of Epiphone basses and quite a bassist, so Ep basses can't have been that bad! :) BTW: Hi all. I thought this was a good moment to delurk :) I used to be active on BOC-L some years back and just resubscribed from a current address recently :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 13 12:43:07 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (jswartz@mitre.org) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:43:07 -0400 Subject: BOC Book in the works! In-Reply-To: <200407130900.i6D903gV017062@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >>Former (?) BOC-L member Martin Popoff >>(author of a most excellent book on Heavy Metal albums - with very >>positive reviews of BOC and tBS albums) will finally be releasing a book >>on BOC. >> >> > >Are you one of the people he interviewed for the project between '95 and >now? As keeper of the FAQ, I'd say you're eminently qualified to provide the >fans' perspective. Maybe even more so than Bolle, since he has a kind of >insider status. > > Martin and I have chatted a bit - Martin certainly qualifies as much as a "fan" as I am - he actually listed me in the acknowledgements in his Heavy Metal Collectors Guide. It was I who pushed Martin to work with Bolle where possible on this project. I haven't heard from Martin in awhile, but at the time we talked he indicated that he would credit the FAQ if any of the material shows up in it. I don't expect his book is going to replace the FAQ or other things like the official BOC site, but I expect it will be a most interesting book for most BOC fans. John From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jul 13 14:56:29 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:29 -0400 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:42:16 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >Keith Barton wrote: >> Dunno, best ask a bass player. Epiphone guitars can be very good so I >> assume it's a similar case with their basses. > >I've never played an Epiphone bass, that I recall, but the late Allen >Woody (of Gov't Mule) was a big fan of Epiphone basses and quite a >bassist, so Ep basses can't have been that bad! :) The only Epiphone bass I've played (just in the store) was the Jack Cassady signature model (a hollow-body Guild Starfire-style bass with weird pickup-impedance selector knob), which was definitely quite nice. The general rule-of-thumb for "budget" lines (budget: Epiphone/ major: Gibson, or budget: Squier/ major: Fender) - and often the major lines, too - is that they tend to have cheap hardware (which can usually be upgraded easily, especially with "standard" models like Strats & Les Pauls & P basses), and tend to be of uneven workmanship. So the most important thing is to try them out. If it plays well, buy it! If not, try another of the same model and maybe it'll play better. >BTW: Hi all. I thought this was a good moment to delurk :) I used to >be active on BOC-L some years back and just resubscribed from a current >address recently :) Hi Carl, Welcome back! Where are you located these days? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jul 13 15:05:23 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:05:23 -0400 Subject: BOC Book in the works! In-Reply-To: <40F4111B.9060808@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > I don't expect his book is > going to replace the FAQ or other things like the official BOC site, > but > I expect it will be a most interesting book for most BOC fans. Certainly. It's going to be exciting to hear what so many contributers to the band have to say about the creative process behind the songs. Brian From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Jul 13 14:15:23 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:15:23 -0400 Subject: OT: Hidria Spacefolk and other Nearfest Pics up Message-ID: http://www.mikemontfort.com/Nearfest04/index.htm Enjoy Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein From dave at ESPARTNERSHIP.CO.UK Tue Jul 13 18:57:21 2004 From: dave at ESPARTNERSHIP.CO.UK (Dave Turner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:57:21 -0400 Subject: Advice on DVD media Message-ID: DVD- has the best compatability and tend to be cheaper than DVD+. Purple is the best, apparently, with Orange (which I use) as second best. Look for sellers of BulkPak DVD-, it's less than ?15 for 25 DVDs. Cases bought in bulk work out abour 20p each. Shop around. I use ULead DVD movie factory, with which you can add scenes as a sub menu from the main title screen. By compressing to MPEG-1 (VCD quality) I can get about 3+1/2 hours on a DVD with menus & sound clips behind the menus. Aparrently Nero 6 does the same. ULead Video Studio is also a good bit of kit for joining/splitting videos, but I have a problem sometimes converting. EO Video is a useful, cheap converter/joiner with a play facility. I find it easier that Windows Media as a player. Older DVD players do have a problem with DVDr, but I've tried the Orange BulkPak DVD- on a PS2 and they work fine. One tip, in ULead it will tell you you are under 4.3Gb with the movies (which is the write size after format) but don't try to write over 4Gb as a rule. It can't close the disk. I found out the hard way. Drop me a line if you want any more info. Best, Dave T. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 14 06:07:55 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:07:55 +0100 Subject: Guitars (more Geek Speak) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > The general rule-of-thumb for "budget" lines (budget: Epiphone/ major: > Gibson, or budget: Squier/ major: Fender) - and often the major lines, > too - is that they tend to have cheap hardware (which can usually be > upgraded easily [...] Yeah, I've often heard that the most cost effective way to get the classic "Gibson sound" is to buy a nice-playing Epiphone and replace its stock pickups. I haven't tried this technique, since the second guitar I ever got was a second-hand Gibson LP Std and I've been pretty happy with how it soudns (I've occasionally been tempted to replace _its_ pickups, but only occasionally :) > Hi Carl, Welcome back! Where are you located these days? In Cambridge, UK (again, rather than still ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Jul 14 21:46:56 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:46:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: AMON D=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=DC=DCL?= II Seeks Performance Opportunities in the USA Message-ID: AMON D??L II SEEKS PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE USA Amon D??l II will performing at the 10th annual ProgDay Festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina over Labor Day weekend (September 3-5). They would like to book as many shows as possible in the eastern USA in the period before and after the festival (August 27-September 2 & September 6-12). If you are interested in booking this pioneering Krautrock band, or know someone who would, please contact Peter Thelen at ptlk at expose.org. For more information about the ProgDay Festival you can visit their web site at www.progday.com. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 15 05:47:19 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:47:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <90181580-CFAA-11D8-875B-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Jul 6, 2004, at 6:33 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: >> Are the live albums included, or is it just the studio ones? >> And is 'Imaginos' also included? That would be way too heavily >> massively cool! > > The original plan was to do them all with the possible exception of > Imaginos. :-( That's what I've been told. CN before Imaginos? > Blasphemy! Blasphemy indeed! All things considered, the sound of the CD doesn't seem so dreadful to me -- but there are a lot of things to be considered. I have a vague memory of Al saying that the original tapes got quite a lot of wear in the making of the record, though I suppose that may not be relevant to the remastering process. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jul 15 07:30:03 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:30:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy in the Guardian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 May 2004, Doug Pearson wrote: > Nothing revelatory here (it's the Guardian, not a music rag!), but always > enjoyable to read pontifiactions from the man ... > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1228373,00.html That's a quality interview! Send someone who doesn't like heavy metal to interview Lemmy, of course! But how many other rockstars would you get anything like that much content from with so little about the music? Odd, though, it suggests he doesn't do speed any more. Since it dates an apparent transition only to alcohol from 1975, I think that might have been a misunderstanding but given how he evangelises it in other interviews I've seen, a difficult one to explain... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Jul 15 14:18:10 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:18:10 -0600 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <40F652A7.3080304@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > All things considered, the sound of the CD doesn't > seem so dreadful to me The vinyl version is a mess with varying volume levels and other sound quality issues. The CD is much better, but I belive there is room for improvement. I'll have to whip it out and give it a listen. Thanks for arousing my appetite for BOC (even if it is pseudo BOC). I wonder if there is any hope for Revolution by Night? (that is, hope of it sounding better) Brad From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 15 15:28:45 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:28:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Remasters?? Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:18:10 -0600, dahl at AROS.NET wrote: >> All things considered, the sound of the CD doesn't >> seem so dreadful to me > >The vinyl version is a mess with varying volume levels and other sound >quality issues. The CD is much better, but I belive there is room for >improvement. It's very difficult to make a 60-minute vinyl LP sound good (this I know from experience!), and I don't believe that 'Imaginos' got any of the treatment (Direct Metal Mastering, for instance) that's required to do that, especially since it came out right at the time when vinyl sales were seriously plummeting. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 16 05:56:19 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:56:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <07B581D5-CEF5-11D8-875B-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > I don't think the band really considered how much the remastering would > cost. It took 18 months to recoup the cost of the first four. Agents > alone was 60K. That was 18 months of no royalties my friends. Wow, I certainly hadn't realized CD remastering was still so expensive (though then again, I'm not in The Biz). > The plan > is to do one at a time from here on in. And to space it out so that the > expense of one will not be incurred until the last one has recouped. > Looks like Spectres will be next. Probably a good idea in the current economy anyway. I'm seldom in a position to justify buying 4 CDs at once that I already own in a different form! Though admittedly a remastered "Death Valley Nights" would make _Spectres_ about worth the price of admission :) I've been listening to the tBS _Malpractice_ version quite a bit since "rediscovering" it a few months ago. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Jul 17 22:37:37 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:37:37 -0400 Subject: OT: Hidria Spacefolk concert review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hidria Spacefolk at Nearfest July 11th, 2004 Considering that British Airways lost their equipment until late Sat night or Sun morning it was amazing how comfortable the band looked on stage. How many opening morning performances get an encore? Frankly I cannot remember if any have, and Hidria Spacefolk very much deserved it. YES they sound a bit like Ozric Tentacles in their early years (I personally think OT is getting tired in their recent stuff). But this is a new band, with young musicians who are evolving their sound. As others have commented, who knew where I was sitting, I was bopping big time to their swirling guitar and keyboard work. Of all the bands at NF04 this was the only one where I had actively searched out their music by getting the first CD off their website, and taking one of their shows with me. So I was excited about seeing them and loved the performance. They have a great product, and should go far. As I was leaving the Strawbs show to go home, I had a chance to speak with the two members who were fluent in English and expressed to them that they had a great sound that was very popular in the US now with the JAM BAND circuit. I encouraged them to look into spreading their sound through the Phish / Dead model of freely traded recordings and touring. Time will tell. Because they were yet not truly unique in their sound, though it was very enjoyable, I give the show a B+. Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: Mike Montfort [mailto:mikemont at nycap.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:15 PM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Cc: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Subject: [Hawkwind] OT: Hidria Spacefolk and other Nearfest Pics up http://www.mikemontfort.com/Nearfest04/index.htm Enjoy Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein Space is deep!

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You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations CD Mail Order: For those of you who have been waiting for the new Litmus and Liquid Visions CD's to arrive, please note that the Liquid Visions was shipped surface mail from Germany and that takes about a month, which means it should be here very soon. And all you eager Litmus fans please hang in there. The package might be having some problems in transit from the UK but we'll get it sorted out. Thanks for your patience. NOTICE: AMON D??L II SEEKS PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE USA Amon D??l II will performing at the 10th annual ProgDay Festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina over Labor Day weekend (September 3-5). They would like to book as many shows as possible in the eastern USA in the period before and after the festival (August 27-September 2 & September 6-12). If you are interested in booking this pioneering Krautrock band, or know someone who would, please contact Peter Thelen at ptlk at expose.org. For more information about the ProgDay Festival you can visit their web site at www.progday.com. Alchemical Radio (show #63) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Introduction By The Reverend Rabbit Spunik Weazel - "CN Enemy" Saturnia - "Sunflower" Josda Dan - "Instant Access" Fran Gray - "Ghost" Terry Munday - "Eurasian" Dieter Born Zero Born Shlegal - "Padua" The Suicide Of Miss Melancholy - "Yet Much Unhappily" Famous Last Words - "Faith In The Dark" Six Fing Thing - "Banana Tree Roots With Ants" Radium 88 - "White Noise" The Insane Picnic - "Secrets & Wishing Stones" Ron Noyes - "Breakdown" The Rick Ray Band - "Demons & Men" Hamfatter - "Saturday" http://Aural-Innovations.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jul 19 14:18:17 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:18:17 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: Hi folks Managed to go for the 1st Hawkwind gig in Germany after 8 years. And it was a great one !!! Met lot of folks from the lists Mike Holmes, Keith Henderson, Nick Lee, Alfred Koessl, Rainer Wangler, Andreas Stuewe, Dietrich Pless, Christos Had a great time I had the chance to chat with THE CAPTAIN for about 20 minutes and of course Richard, Alan and Keith Barton were not far away No new t-shirt poster or CD. Just the familiar stuff Hawkwind played a blinding set. They hit the stage at 23:59h (after the hell has opened with black massive clouds and heavy lightning and it pissed down for about 30 minutes) and played a blinding 90 minutes set Here is the track listing 17.07.2004, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL intro / assault & battery / golden void / where are they now / out here we are / sword of the east / right stuff / paranoia / brainstorm / angels of death / psychedelic warlords / watcher / spirit of the age / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / brainbox pollution Only Dave Alan and Richard on stage but we all had the feeling that there were more It was one of the heaviest sets Hawkwind have ever played It was pissing for the most part of the set but we all did not care The band had fun. And we had fun as well !! Do not know what happened to Dave but I have NEVER heard him play so many (and excellent) guitar solos !!!!! Highlights were without doubts WATCHER (Dave played for the complete song a guitar solo) BRAINSTORM (again here lots of guitar) SPIRIT The 2 songs I could live without were WINGS OUT HERE WE ARE Lots of stereo effect during the songs SPACE IS THEIR was very interesting cheers Bernhard From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Jul 20 06:02:25 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:02:25 +0100 Subject: Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: Gut tag, I am so sad i missed this one - sounds like they almost did a Hawkestra/Hawkfest 2003 cross which would be my dream.. the more upbeat tunes with loads of guitar breaks and blanga! sigh Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 20 06:41:14 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:41:14 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:18:17 +0200 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > Lots of stereo effect during the songs Yep. Dave was saying that they had a new toy. > SPACE IS THEIR was very interesting Mein Gott! Haven't you been saying they should drop this for the last ten years? Great gig. Unfortunately I got ill, possibly precipitated by being kidnapped by Bavarians ("We're not German!") and forced to drink Schnapps by their fire until breakfast, but probably not since the hangover had already been and gone by Saturday night. Unfortunately there was a problem with the left speqker stack at the site after the second thunderstorm and this meant that Alan's base feed came through distorted and cutting out - it afected all the bands after Hawkwind who were bass-heavy. Clearly I should have moved to Dave's side of the stage but I was having a hard time staying upright by the gig, never mind moving. Highlights were Where Are They Now and Spirit of the Age. I thought Out Here We Are was pretty damned good too. FoFP From sebastian at WELTON.DE Tue Jul 20 07:18:45 2004 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (sebastian at WELTON.DE) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:18:45 +0200 Subject: AW: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:18:17 +0200 > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 > > Hi folks > > Managed to go for the 1st Hawkwind gig in Germany after 8 years. > And it was a great one !!! I hope people had a good time, I was going to go as its only a short drive but got called out for work. There was a short (10 minute) piece about it on the local TV news and it looked nice and chilled out. Next up is the Finkenbach Festival in the Odenwald (at Guru Guru's place.) Sebastian. From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Jul 20 11:10:50 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:10:50 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: <200407201041.i6KAfENk018703@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi >> Lots of stereo effect during the songs >Yep. Dave was saying that they had a new toy. And he used it excellent >> SPACE IS THEIR was very interesting >Mein Gott! Haven't you been saying they should drop this for the last ten years? OK, OK, everyone makes mistakes ;-))) >Unfortunately I got ill, possibly precipitated by being kidnapped by Bavarians ("We're not German!") and forced to >drink Schnapps by their fire until breakfast :-))))))))) Bernhard From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 20 15:01:10 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:01:10 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: <009b01c46dbc$c43b33f0$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: Definitely a very good weekend, despite the weather which was truly biblical at times. On Saturday night it managed to go from 0 to force 10 in a few seconds! The weather had stayed fine on Friday though and Mr Quimby's Beard played a cracking set. Very similar to the Sonic Chillout set but tighter, the sound was excellent and they got a great reception from the crowd. Though it may have soaked people through it certainly didn't dampen their spirits. There was a great crowd for Hawkwind who played an excellent set. Very similar to the spring tour but with the addition The Watcher and Angels of Death in place of Angela Android and Wings. Dave was out front for most of the set (playing the Les Paul again for those that are interested). Though I'm still not sure about the amount of sequencing being used now that it comes from Alan's side of the stage it certainly seems to leave Dave free to play a lot more lead guitar and experiment with 'live' effects, and Dave was certainly on fire on Saturday. From where I was stood the sound seemed fine, I was near the front and more to Dave's side of the stage so I probably wasn't placed to hear the sound problems Mike could hear. Could've been a bit longer though at barely 90 minutes but they were on an hour late and with another band to follow. The audience didn't seem to want to hear that there was to be no second encore and the poor MC didn't really stand a chance against their shouts while a very sheepish looking Mr Barton had to start taking down the Baron's equipment. A very sociable festival all in all with a great atmosphere, reminiscent of a larger Hawkfest or maybe Treworgey, the sort of festival we don't have too many of over here any more. Good to catch up with lots of people from the list and crew as well. I'd probably consider going back to this one, despite the distance, even without HW on the bill. Nick > Hi folks > > Managed to go for the 1st Hawkwind gig in Germany after 8 years. > And it was a great one !!! > > Met lot of folks from the lists > Mike Holmes, Keith Henderson, Nick Lee, Alfred Koessl, Rainer Wangler, > Andreas Stuewe, Dietrich Pless, Christos > Had a great time > > I had the chance to chat with THE CAPTAIN for about 20 minutes and of > course Richard, Alan and Keith Barton were not far away > No new t-shirt poster or CD. Just the familiar stuff > > Hawkwind played a blinding set. They hit the stage at 23:59h > (after the > hell has opened with black massive clouds and heavy lightning and it > pissed down for about 30 minutes) and played a blinding 90 minutes set > > Here is the track listing > > > 17.07.2004, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL > > intro / assault & battery / golden void / where are they now > / out here > we are / sword of the east / right stuff / paranoia / brainstorm / > angels of death / psychedelic warlords / watcher / spirit of the age / > hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / brainbox pollution > > > > Only Dave Alan and Richard on stage but we all had the feeling that > there were more > > It was one of the heaviest sets Hawkwind have ever played > > > > It was pissing for the most part of the set but we all did not care > > The band had fun. And we had fun as well !! > > > > Do not know what happened to Dave but I have NEVER heard him play so > many (and excellent) guitar solos !!!!! > > > > Highlights were without doubts > > WATCHER (Dave played for the complete song a guitar solo) > > BRAINSTORM (again here lots of guitar) > > SPIRIT > > > > The 2 songs I could live without were > > WINGS > > OUT HERE WE ARE > > > > Lots of stereo effect during the songs > > SPACE IS THEIR was very interesting > > > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Tue Jul 20 16:39:00 2004 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:39:00 EDT Subject: Off new Arc Met Message-ID: THE NEW LIVE ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR CD IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!!! Go to the website to get ordering information, and while you're there, check out the photos of the new line up and back issues of Future Days. Future Days was an Arc Met fan newsletter that gave news and updates about the band plus other articles. It was distributed at shows and through snail-mail. Spread the word and forward this on to anyone who might be interested. http://www.geocities.com/arcmetgreg/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 21 06:18:52 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:18:52 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind gig review BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: Nick Lee's message of Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:01:10 +0100 Message-ID: Nick Lee writes: > Definitely a very good weekend, despite the weather which was truly > biblical at times. On Saturday night it managed to go from 0 to force > 10 in a few seconds! Yeah. My flagpole was knocked down. It's a cosmic tragedy I tell ya. > The weather had stayed fine on Friday though Heh, obviously you weren't there early afternoon when we got a thunderstorm complete with the instant wind preceding it. I counted four thunderstorms from when we got there on Thursday. Three at night. > and Mr Quimby's Beard > played a cracking set. Very similar to the Sonic Chillout set but > tighter, the sound was excellent and they got a great reception from the > crowd. Yes, they were outstanding. Pothead also did a great set. > Very similar to the spring tour but with the addition The Watcher and > Angels of Death in place of Angela Android and Wings. I thought they played Wings. I must have been more ill than I thought. > Good to catch up with lots of people from the list and crew as well. Yep, everyone seemed in a great mood and Dave'n'Kris were clearly happy to be going on holiday in Germany. > I'd probably consider going back to this one, despite the distance, even > without HW on the bill. Yeah, I feel the same way about this one. From Edinburgh, the difference between this and Glastonbury (flying to Bristol and taxi) is an extra hour on the plane and an extra half hour in the car. Cut the hour walking across Glastonbury to the side we like to camp, and the three hours on the Monday morning praying for a place on a bus to Bristol and in total the travelling comes out about even. On cost, the difference in the plane flights is cacelled by the difference in the ticket price, and there's absolutely no doubt that eating and drinking is very much cheaper at Herzberg than Glastonbury. I guess the logistics are different in England because you're within driving distance of the festivals. FoFP From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 21 10:32:15 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: August Record Collector Magazine - Pink Faires and Crass Message-ID: The August issue of Record Collector Magazine has a two page - 'Beginners Guide to the Pink Faires' and a three page article on Crass. From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Fri Jul 23 05:20:26 2004 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:20:26 +0100 Subject: Dr Hasbeen + HLL @ Lumb Farm 13.08.04 Message-ID: Hi Mark, Hope you don't mind me contacting you off list, but I saw the above listed in Ents24. Is this true ? If so I'll see you there. Cheers Neil From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 23 07:59:18 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:59:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: misc Stonehenge and the Prisoner In-Reply-To: <00c301c44fee$0fccb060$e9ae193e@jds> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jill Strobridge wrote: > And for anyone who missed it first (or second) time around if you have > access to BBC4 they are showing the first of the series of The Prisoner > at 11.00pm tonight. > > I'll be seeing you > jill It was preceded by a (good) documentary on Viv Stanshall too. Odd evening's viewing. The Hawkwind relationship of the Stanshall documentary is pretty obvious, but for the second I have to come up with this: there's a song on the Gadsby & Skol self-titled album called `Number 6' which makes me wince when they get to the vocals as he misquotes the great `I am not a number' exchange, but anyway that gets us to Hawkwind as of course it came out on Woronzow, and a more reasonable attempt to supply Blue Cheer in the lack of the actual band themselves I've not heard. Does anyone know what's up with Woronzow at the moment? Almost everything on their website is at massively reduced prcies, even the most recent Frond album isn't in print any more (but two older ones are) and they generally give the impression of being on their uppers. Please not them too... Yours, Jon ObMP3: ICU - `Amyl Nitrate' -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 23 10:51:25 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:51:25 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright Message-ID: A little avian told me that on the last show, he'll do a cideo of Spirit of the Age. Anyone know the date of the last show? FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 23 11:09:22 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:09:22 +0100 Subject: Off: Pyramids at Glasto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Steve Youles wrote: > Look for Terry Ollis, Mick Slattery and possibly Nik Turner to guest with > the Pyramids of SNAFU during their 2 sets at Glasto (2pm Friday 25/6/04 and > 4pm Saturday 26/6/04) in the "pedal-powered Mandala marquee in the Green > Fields" that Judge Trev mentioned t'other day... Did anyone see how that came out, in the end? Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Kingdom Come - _Galactic Zoo Dossier_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Jul 23 13:13:20 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:13:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: misc Stonehenge and the Prisoner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- Jon Jarrett wrote: > It was preceded by a (good) documentary on Viv Stanshall too. I have a VHS copy of this which I would be happy to pass on to anybody here who missed it. Just mail me off list. AL ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Also, of course, available at Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk and other Amazon websites or direct from the author on the following e-bay link (or search for "New Hawkwind Biography" if this round of auctions has completed): http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6914871679&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I'll take my marketing hat off now! Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Jul 26 04:57:13 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:57:13 +0200 Subject: HW: BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: Mike said... >Unfortunately there was a problem with the left speqker stack at the >site after the second thunderstorm and this meant that Alan's base feed >came through distorted and cutting out - it afected all the bands after >Hawkwind who were bass-heavy. Clearly I should have moved to Dave's side >of the stage but I was having a hard time staying upright by the gig, >never mind moving. I was on Dave's side of the stage, and it was the same. Well, actually, it sounded like the *guitar* cutting out to me! I thought it was Dave's own equipment, but then it made sense what you said later about the rain getting into the unprotected PA. I don't remember it affecting Pothead's performance (BTW, who the hell are they, and why haven't I heard of them before...they were excellent! I'm glad I wasn't too knackered to have gone and staggered up the mudslope to 'home' before they went on.) And during HW's set, it was only a problem (to my ears) during "Angels of Death" and (sadly) "Psychedelic Warlords" (the excitement of which was pretty much killed off by the two minutes of constant 6-million-dollar-man sound effects). Luckily, all seemed normal during an awesome Spirit of the Age (double guitar breaks from Dave thanks to Bernhard's shameless pleading earlier that afternoon). Just home from *both* Herzberg festivals...it's really silly what's going on 'politically' there, from what I can tell (as the discussion occurs mainly in German, so I have to concentrate extra hard to tell what the 'truth' is), almost like the Dave & Nik debate. But the Think Progressive festival (the originators of Burg Herzberg, but no longer the organizers, but instead now running this other one that they called "Herzberg Goes Wilhelmsthal" but is really more accurately the reborn Cornberg festival, after a two-year failure-driven hiatus) was, in contrast to the tight organization of Andi Schnell's crew (which gladly did not interfere whatsoever with the 'freeness' of the BH event), quite the clusterf*ck. Not so surprisingly, but still disappointing to see. Despite this, I saw some great bands there too, and in places there was a lot of 'free spirit' going on that made me forget the nonsense of the festival dis-organization. In short (much more to come soon, when I have the time to sit and write *two* long festival reviews), Amon Duul II decided not to 'risk' coming (and not being paid), and it seemed to be a popular theme as a number of advertised bands did not show (no Groundhogs for instance), though oddly two that had appeared to pull out a week before the event *did* come to play. Chris Karrer himself came anyway and played a solo set, and I had a chance to talk to him briefly about what the hell was (not) going on. (BTW, don't be surprised if a cancellation announcement about AD2 playing at ProgDay '04, or anywhere else in the US this year, comes soon.) Related to HW, Bevis Frond did headline Friday night, playing after Bari Watts' Outskirts of Infinity and Denmark's On Trial, and Adrian Shaw was outstanding on bass (as to be expected). A second guitarist now, and a new drummer (from what I remember in the US four or five years ago). And Jethro Tull was pretty darn good too, but it seemed weird for them to be there, all this big money and 'professionalism' (if you will) amidst a festival without any sense of 'sh*ttogetherness.' Oh, and it rained every day there too (HGW won the mud battle even!), and even on two of the days in between while I 'herumgelungert' in Kassel (the Staatspark Karlsaue is the most peaceful 'civilized' place on the planet, I think). Grakkl (FAA) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Jul 26 06:31:36 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:31:36 +0200 Subject: HW: BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 Message-ID: I said... >Related to HW, Bevis Frond did headline Friday night, playing after >Bari Watts' Outskirts of Infinity and Denmark's On Trial, *Thursday* night, actually. Grakkl (FAA) BTW...Bevis Frond was written on the poster as "Beavis Fond," to the disgust of one Nick Salomon. And apparently, the addition of the 'a' indicates that there are still quite a few people who don't know that Bevis is pronounced with a short 'e'. Oh, and On Trial was written as On Trail, and Blodwyn Pig as Bloodwyn Pig (they didn't show anyway, but then Ian Anderson had said the previous night that Mick was not well, as they began to play his song "Beggar's Farm" and so it wasn't a surprise). Other than that, they got them all right! From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Jul 26 07:14:55 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:14:55 +0100 Subject: Off: Viv Stanshall Message-ID: > --- Jon Jarrett wrote: > > It was preceded by a (good) documentary on Viv Stanshall too. > > I have a VHS copy of this which I would be happy to pass on > to anybody here who missed it. Just mail me off list. > > AL Or, alternatively, it's being shown on BBC2 this Friday - of course, this clashes with the BBC4 "Prisoner" re-runs... Thank **** for VHS ChrisW From chrisow at SHAW.CA Tue Jul 27 22:20:58 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:20:58 -0400 Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? Message-ID: Can anyone here tell me which album this excerpt of Assault and Battery live is from? I wish to buy it and dont want to get the wrong one! MANY thanks in advance! http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/Assaultlive.mp3 PS. I dont know who thought up this password system, but it is total nightmare. It took an hour to get to post this and I still think it is wierd to have posting name "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan" !!! If that is how my name appears I apologise! From chrisow at SHAW.CA Tue Jul 27 22:30:56 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:30:56 -0400 Subject: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan Message-ID: Anyone know a way of changing this name, I intended it to be just Jademan? TIA! From youless at COX.NET Wed Jul 28 02:41:58 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:41:58 -0400 Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? Message-ID: That would be from "The Friday Rock Show Sessions (Live At Reading '86)" I don't know whether it's currently available - check with CD Services Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:20:58 -0400, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan wrote: >Can anyone here tell me which album this excerpt of >Assault and Battery live is from? I wish to buy it >and dont want to get the wrong one! MANY thanks in advance! > >http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/Assaultlive.mp3 From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Jul 28 05:09:35 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:09:35 +0100 Subject: Off: Assassins of Silence Message-ID: Lokos like the south is becoming a hotbed for HW activity... more advertising for ya: The world's number one Hawkwind tribute band, ASSASSINS OF SILENCE are at South Parade Pier on Friday. The Assassins of Silence deliver the full-on 1970's Hawkwind experience - light show, smoke, dancers, hypnotic rhythms and soaring leads.With a set list ranging from 1969 to 1993 and a visual presentation situated firmly in the Space Ritual era they provide a virtual space rock experience. Renowned in the space rock scene for their light show and dancers, The Assassins have played a range of festivals and gigs and have built up a loyal following. Formed in 2002 by a hardcore cadre of Hawkwind fans and led by Dave Adams on Rickenbacker bass and vocals, the current lineup includes Chris Crosskey on keyboards, Kevin "Spook" Perry on guitar and vocals, Rob Holmes on drums and Ben Deschamps on woodwinds and violin. Their dancer, Kat, in a variety of costumes, is a highlight of the set, and Des the Roadie even guests on vocals for a few numbers. The band's chaotic but focused live show has become legendary, and its fame has even spread to the Hawkwind camp, who invited them to play Hawkfest 2003, thus making them one of the few tribute acts ever to be booked by the band whose songs they play! ASSASSINS OF SILENCE appear at South Parade Pier, Southsea, on Friday 30th July. Doors open at 8.p.m. regards maxine From chrisow at SHAW.CA Wed Jul 28 10:51:47 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:51:47 -0400 Subject: CD Services Message-ID: I am new here,,,, is there a link here to "CD Services"? TIA From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jul 28 11:11:44 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:41:44 +0930 Subject: CD Services Message-ID: http://www.cd-services.com/ Agcdser at aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: CD Services > I am new here,,,, is there a link here to "CD Services"? TIA > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jul 28 11:13:19 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:19 -0500 Subject: CD Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan wrote: :Subject: CD Services :I am new here,,,, is there a link here to "CD Services"? TIA http://www.cd-services.com/ On that page, you should be able to find the appropriate phone numbers. Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Jul 28 14:25:06 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:25:06 +0100 Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cor, did you know that from memory or did you have to check it on the CD? I'd have said I know Hawkwind pretty well, but it would have taken me a while to find that! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Youles Sent: 28 July 2004 07:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? That would be from "The Friday Rock Show Sessions (Live At Reading '86)" I don't know whether it's currently available - check with CD Services Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:20:58 -0400, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan wrote: >Can anyone here tell me which album this excerpt of >Assault and Battery live is from? I wish to buy it >and dont want to get the wrong one! MANY thanks in advance! > >http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/Assaultlive.mp3 From youless at COX.NET Wed Jul 28 15:08:35 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:08:35 -0400 Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? Message-ID: Well, as Huw is on it, it could only have been from either the Reading 86 or the Live Chronicles albums. I was pretty sure it was Reading 86 but yeah I did have to check the CD! Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:25:06 +0100, HawkFan wrote: >Cor, did you know that from memory or did you have to check it on the CD? > >I'd have said I know Hawkwind pretty well, but it would have taken me a >while to find that! > >JR > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Youles >Sent: 28 July 2004 07:42 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? > > >That would be from "The Friday Rock Show Sessions (Live At Reading '86)" I >don't know whether it's currently available - check with CD Services > >Steve From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Jul 28 15:21:14 2004 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:21:14 +0200 Subject: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E B-O-C-L Jademan wrote: >Anyone know a way of changing this name, I intended it to be just Jademan? >TIA! > > > > Ghad, how did you ever get registered? I tried to reply, but got it bounced back. The list software complained about the body looking like a LISTSERV command... I'd try to unsubscribe, and then resubscribe. Giving the difficulties I had replying to your message, that may very well fail the first N times. Worst case you'd just subscribe again, and filter your unwanted duplicates into the trash bin. But that's more like an action-of-last-resort, when even getting the moderator involved has failed. Good luck! Arjan H From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 28 17:06:30 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:06:30 EDT Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/28/2004 2:09:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time, youless at COX.NET writes: Well, as Huw is on it, it could only have been from either the Reading 86 or the Live Chronicles albums. I was pretty sure it was Reading 86 but yeah I did have to check the CD! I don't think it's from 'Live Chronicles,' at least not the Griffin issue. Joe From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Jul 28 17:02:33 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:02:33 -0400 Subject: Hi again Message-ID: I'm back. :-) Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) Still waiting for HW to return to the Northeast US in a venue that does not require camping out. Yes, I have joined the ranks of old fart. Is Craig Shipley still here? ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From chrisow at SHAW.CA Thu Jul 29 00:22:12 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:12 -0400 Subject: The Mind Journey Message-ID: Anyone have the words for the poem introduction used on the Hawkwind Mind Journey first bootleg from 1975? It should have been on the Hawkwind.com lyrics list but they forgot that one... How did it go now? Something Like... Dont mind the way you touch others Dont mind the way others touch you... Well I been searching all night in vain for a copy of the The friday rock show sessions Live 1986 Anyone have a copy to sell? Cheers J From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 29 05:05:33 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:05:33 +0100 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040728170233.vcwjogg4cowocwcs@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: > I'm back. :-) > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 29 06:05:05 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:05:05 +0100 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: David Kuznick's message of Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: David Kuznick writes: > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) Older. Welcome back! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 29 06:20:36 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:20:36 +0100 Subject: The Mind Journey In-Reply-To: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan's message of Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: > Anyone have the words for the poem introduction used > on the Hawkwind Mind Journey first bootleg from 1975? Mind Journey ============ Your Mind Journey touches others Your Mind is the way others touch you ?????????????????????????? us A chain of ideas It is capable of ????????? ??????? infinite ??????????? Your mind is Mind Journey Mind Journey is your mind We invite you to share Mind Journey with us We are Hawkwind You are out of your mind We are all together on The Mind Journey From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jul 29 06:47:05 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:47:05 +0200 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... Message-ID: A fun read...and with both BOC and HW content natch... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut But how could they ignore Grotus, with umlauts over each of the four consonants, but none over the two vowels? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Welcome back to both Carl Edlundh and David (I remember talking to you at the Limelight '95 was it?)! From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jul 29 06:57:52 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:57:52 -0400 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... Message-ID: Thanks for digging that up Keith; it was informative in case i decid to put umlauts in my name. Over the i or maybe the t tim Henderson Keith wrote: > > A fun read...and with both BOC and HW content natch... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut > > But how could they ignore Grotus, with umlauts over each of the four > consonants, but none over the two vowels? > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Welcome back to both Carl Edlundh and David (I remember talking to you > at the Limelight '95 was it?)! From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 29 07:04:25 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:04:25 +0100 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Henderson Keith wrote: > A fun read...and with both BOC and HW content natch... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut > But how could they ignore Grotus, with umlauts over each of the four > consonants, but none over the two vowels? It's the Wikipedia; you should go and fix this! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 29 10:07:41 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:07:41 EDT Subject: Hi again Message-ID: In a message dated 7/29/2004 5:05:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: > >I'm back. :-) > >Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) > > Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... > well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! > > Cheers, > Carl > There must be a dip in crime in at least 2 locations. Welcome back guys! What next? Tania? Bill From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jul 29 10:29:50 2004 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:29:50 +0100 Subject: Fw: Matthew Wright programme tomorrow Message-ID: Hello Folks For those of you who would like a preview of the new Hawkwind promo video for Spirit of the Age, tune in to The Wright Stuff on Channel 5 at 10am tomorrow morning! From chrisow at SHAW.CA Thu Jul 29 10:31:41 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:31:41 -0400 Subject: Assault and Battery Live Message-ID: Steve thanks for the reply. I particularly liked the energetic bass line on this version of Assault, which is why I wanted to buy the full copy, also the sound quality was excellent. That said, sessions is impossible to get hold of. Can you recall if the version on Live Chronicles is as good? I recall the sound quality of live chronicles wasnt quite as good as this excerpt.Also I dont recall assault being on my original version of Live Chonicles (now lost due to bad loan), was it added as a bonus track to later version? TIA J From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Thu Jul 29 10:46:16 2004 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:16 -0500 Subject: Assault and Battery Live Message-ID: It's also on the Flickknife (Sharp 033D) issue of Chronicles of the Black Sword. Sound quality is OK. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Jul 29 13:25:55 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:25:55 -0500 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <4108BDDD.2020908@carlaz.com> Message-ID: It's nice to see people coming back :-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:06 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hi again David Kuznick wrote: > I'm back. :-) > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Jul 29 13:34:43 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: Assault and Battery Live In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The sound quality on the Griffin records USA release of Live Chronicles was far better than the original CD, and it had the Moorcock spoken word tracks restored to the LP as it should have originally been, plus a couple more tracks like 'Assault and Battery' which originally came as b sides on single releases/bonus tracks on the 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' Flicknife CD. Also the cover artwork is great :-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Assault and Battery Live Steve thanks for the reply. I particularly liked the energetic bass line on this version of Assault, which is why I wanted to buy the full copy, also the sound quality was excellent. That said, sessions is impossible to get hold of. Can you recall if the version on Live Chronicles is as good? I recall the sound quality of live chronicles wasnt quite as good as this excerpt.Also I dont recall assault being on my original version of Live Chonicles (now lost due to bad loan), was it added as a bonus track to later version? TIA J From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jul 29 17:43:46 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:43:46 -0400 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... In-Reply-To: <4108D9B9.8010809@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:04:25PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Henderson Keith wrote: > >But how could they ignore Grotus, with umlauts over each of the four > >consonants, but none over the two vowels? > > It's the Wikipedia; you should go and fix this! :) A bit of a challenge, in ISO 8859-1 :-/ I find it amusing that Mot?rhead sorta kinda works ... Germans please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "?" make a sound somewhat like schwa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa)? Not exactly the same sound, and length and stress are all wrong, but still... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From youless at COX.NET Thu Jul 29 19:02:58 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:02:58 -0400 Subject: Assault and Battery Live Message-ID: Hi Chris Well I prefer the Friday Rock Show Sessions version to the one on Live Chronicles, but doubtless others don't. Yes, I think A&B was originally omitted from Live Chronicles for contractual reasons, and only got added on after these had been resolved, hence the Griffin release has it where the GWR version didn't. I think CD Services can still supply Live Chronicles but I don't recall offhand if it's the Griffin version. I'd contact them by phone or email (orders at cd-services.com) since, IMHO, and it pains me to say it: I think they have the worst website in the world. (Mine's not far behind, but that's another story.) Good luck Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:31:41 -0400, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan wrote: >Steve thanks for the reply. > >I particularly liked the energetic bass line on this version of >Assault, which is why I wanted to buy the full copy, also the sound >quality was excellent. That said, sessions is impossible to get hold of. >Can you recall if the version on Live Chronicles is as good? >I recall the sound quality of live chronicles wasnt quite as good as this >excerpt.Also I dont recall assault being on my original version of Live >Chonicles (now lost due to bad loan), was it added as a bonus track to >later version? > >TIA >J From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 29 19:23:07 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:23:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Assault and Battery Live Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:02:58 -0400, Steve Youles wrote: >Well I prefer the Friday Rock Show Sessions version to the one on Live >Chronicles, but doubtless others don't. Yes, I think A&B was originally >omitted from Live Chronicles for contractual reasons, and only got added >on after these had been resolved, hence the Griffin release has it where >the GWR version didn't. The "Live Chronicles" version of "Assault & Battery" (in the medley with 'Sleep Of A Thousand Tears') was originally released by Flicknife on the B-side of the "Zarozinia" 12" single (both later appeared on the Flicknife CD of 'Chronicle of the Black Sword', as someone already mentioned). So presumably Steve is correct and it didn't go on the GWR 'Live Chronicles' since Flicknife had the rights. Which is different from the reason that the Moorcock poems weren't on the original (GWR) 'Live Chronicles'. Fortunately, Robert Godwin is not Doug Smith, so Moorcock consented to their release on the Griffin version :^). NOW, if only Griffin had included the encore medley on their 2-CD version (gotta spring for the DVD for that), it would have been the perfect Chronicles. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 30 05:23:18 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:23:18 +0200 Subject: HW:Moonhead Message-ID: Hej, I am writing a 4 part history on Hawkwind for the German Magazine Moonhead. Does anyone know what record label is releasing Take me to your leader in Sept? First single, Spirit of the Age due out Aug 27th... I won't believe it until I see it but lets hope! I have assumed it is Voiceprint for my article. IF this is incorrect, someone please let me know! scott From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 30 05:21:21 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:21:21 +0200 Subject: HW:Lemmy Biography Message-ID: Hej, Welcome back Carl and David! I finally got it sorted out so I can post again. Anyway, I just finished reading White Line Fever and it is a great book 3/4 of the way and then I think Lemmy lost interest or something. He takes like 20 pages to cover the last 10 years of Motorhead.. Anyway, his stories of how he and Dik Mik were the total speed freaks in Hawkwind and the rest were acid heads (although Lemmy and Dik Mik did their share of LSD!). A fun read. There are for sure some things that Lemmy says that are different from what Kris Tait has in her book! One thing I was really surprised that Lemmy said was that Dave and Doug Smith were against the band playing so many free gigs in the early days. It was so nice to see Hawkwind this summer... scott ObCd- Free.-Highway From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Jul 30 06:18:24 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:18:24 +0200 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: Copied from the Gong-GAS site...just FYI... Grakkl (FAA) Those of you who do not regularly visit the Planet Gong Forum will not be up to date on Tim Blake's recovery after a very serious car accident on 3Oth May. Well I'm happy to report that although still temporarily housed in a wheelchair and armed with set of crutches he is almost fully rebuilt, mending well (although there is a way to go yet) and will hopefully be fully restored to rude health in a month or so. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Jul 30 09:48:11 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:48:11 -0400 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Henderson Keith : > P.S. Welcome back to both Carl Edlundh and David (I remember talking to you > at the Limelight '95 was it?)! Yes, that's right! With Braindance (who I still really like) opening for Hawkwind, and the mosher who got thrown out, right? -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Jul 30 09:48:50 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:48:50 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Stewartbas at AOL.COM: > In a message dated 7/29/2004 5:05:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM > writes: > > > >I'm back. :-) > > >Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) > > > > Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... > > well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > There must be a dip in crime in at least 2 locations. Welcome back guys! Thanks, though I'm still tryign to get my head wrapped around yor first sentence... -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 30 09:58:36 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:58:36 +0100 Subject: Matthew Wright Message-ID: So did Hawkwind play on THe Wright Stuff today? FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 30 11:25:24 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:25:24 +0100 Subject: Matthew Wright In-Reply-To: <200407301358.i6UDwaVO013231@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: There was only a 20-30 second clip at the start of the show, plus a plug from Matthew. Shame, but it's a talk show and he may well have had to fight with his producer to get that much on. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 30 July 2004 14:59 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Matthew Wright > > > So did Hawkwind play on THe Wright Stuff today? > > FoFP > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Jul 30 14:52:20 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:52:20 -0400 Subject: HW: BOC: Fun with umlauts... In-Reply-To: <20040730094811.sh6ogcc0g0484048@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 09:48:11AM -0400, David Kuznick wrote: > Yes, that's right! With Braindance (who I still really like) opening for > Hawkwind, and the mosher who got thrown out, right? He did? I'd always figured he just gave up in disgust :-) Welcome back, guys! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jul 30 15:03:40 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:03:40 -0400 Subject: HW:Lemmy Biography Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:21:21 +0200, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: >Anyway, I just finished reading White Line Fever and it is a great book >3/4 of the way and then I think Lemmy lost interest or something. He >takes like 20 pages to cover the last 10 years of Motorhead.. ... and too much of those last 10 years are "blah blah ... Ozzy ... blah blah ... Slash ... blah blah ... Metallica ..." a lot of name dropping (once Motorhead finally got the recognition they so richly deserved) and not as much fun as the earlier years. But I've never read a band/musician bio where the "recent" history was anywhere near as interesting as the early history. Still, a great read overall and highly recommended! >Anyway, >his stories of how he and Dik Mik were the total speed freaks in >Hawkwind and the rest were acid heads (although Lemmy and Dik Mik did >their share of LSD!). A fun read. There are for sure some things that >Lemmy says that are different from what Kris Tait has in her book! It's probably like the quote, "if you can remember the 60s accurately, you weren't really there". And the story of the two of them being "frozen" at the Greasy Truckers Party Roundhouse gig is classic! >One thing I was really surprised that Lemmy said was that Dave and Doug >Smith were against the band playing so many free gigs in the early days. I was under the impression that he was referring to Dave *Anderson*, not Brock. And it would be logical that Doug Smith would be opposed to the band playing non-paying gigs since as manager, it's his job to make money for the band. Of course, the most frustrating part of a manager's job is that the band's job is to make music, not money, and the two don't always intersect (the recent Neil Young biography, 'Shakey', has some great parts about artist/manager dynamics, since Neil has had the same manager ever since leaving Buffalo Springfield, and occasionally made his life hellish). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Sat Jul 31 04:30:51 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:30:51 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright Message-ID: good news to all who missed yesterdays show, someone i know has kindly encoded it so you can view it on your PC! so click on either - http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/links1.htm or http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/history_and_updates.htm and scroll down to the bottom of either page and there's a link from there. hope you enjoy it, all 1minute 22 seconds of it! regards dave From youless at COX.NET Sat Jul 31 12:28:02 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:28:02 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright Message-ID: Hi This video clip requires an older component called audio codec 75 which is not included with recent versions of Windows Media Player. I have version 6.4 installed and got it to work by going into IE; Tools; Internet Options and temporarily enabling downloading of unsigned ActiveX components. (Change this setting back again after success!). Then I played the clip again in WMP 6.4 and it downloaded the codec, and played the clip with sound. Media Player 6.4 is already in Windows XP. Click Start/Run... type mplayer2 and hit enter. Media Player Classic can also be downloaded here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84358 Can't personally vouch for the above since just changing the ActiveX setting worked for me. Cheers Steve From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Sat Jul 31 12:34:41 2004 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Cosmos In Space) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:34:41 +0200 Subject: some cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sorry to spam you here but i have some interesting hawkwind, pink fairies, mick farren and ya ho wa 13 and father yod on ebay. if interested take a look now. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=jgongy&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 regards and have a nice weekend. andre From zim594j at TNINET.SE Sat Jul 31 13:01:24 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:01:24 +0200 Subject: HW: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040731183428.01ccf8c8@pop.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: I saw a video on some Arthur page with a version of Time Captains (Captives?) and Master Of The Universe from Bristol Academy 2003. . . what line-up is it and is it available as video or cd ? Kenneth From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jul 31 13:26:00 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:26:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <412CBFCA-E313-11D8-A7E4-0050E450F316@tninet.se> Message-ID: This was 26 May 2003, line-up was Dave Brock, Simon House, Alan Davey, Richard Chadwick, Arthur Brown. I would be surprised if the video clip was from a source other than Colin Allen, their Business Manager at the time who used to record and film most of the gigs, and so it's probably now owned by the band themselves. As it seems they're planning a DVD from the Hawkfest that took place 3 months later I guess we won't see a DVD from the Bristol gig as Dave Brock tends to release only one representative recording from each tour/year/phase of the band (except 1990 of course :-)) That'd be a shame IMHO, because Simon House was on form on the May tour but below par at Hawkfest, and now he's gone altogether (never to return if the rumours are to be believed) so a DVD from the May tour would be a nice document of his contribution to the band last year. AL --- Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > I saw a video on some Arthur page with a version of Time Captains > (Captives?) and Master Of The Universe from Bristol Academy 2003. . . > what line-up is it and is it available as video or cd ? > > Kenneth > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Sat Jul 31 13:43:36 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:43:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <20040731172600.60931.qmail@web25304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I haven't heard the rumors in question, but how many members have left the band "never to return" then later returned? KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alan Linsley Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 10:26 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Arthur Brown ......That'd be a shame IMHO, because Simon House was on form on the May tour but below par at Hawkfest, and now he's gone altogether (never to return if the rumours are to be believed) ...... AL From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jul 31 14:30:56 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:30:56 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 2004-07-31 at 12:28, Steve Youles wrote: > This video clip requires an older component called audio codec 75 which is > not included with recent versions of Windows Media Player. I have version > 6.4 installed and got it to work by going into IE; Tools; Internet Options > and temporarily enabling downloading of unsigned ActiveX components. > (Change this setting back again after success!). Then I played the clip > again in WMP 6.4 and it downloaded the codec, and played the clip with > sound. Ironically, my FreeBSD/i386 desktop system plays this clip without any problems using mplayer with the multimedia/win32-codecs port installed: bash-2.05b$ mplayer | head -6 MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team CPU: Intel Pentium II Klamath/Pentium II OverDrive 301.2 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 4) Detected cache-line size is 32 bytes CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0 Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX bash-2.05b$ pkg_info | grep win32 win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 Huge compilation of Win32 binary codecs, including MPEG-4(D (I thought I might have problems when I saw the M$ .asf extension...) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa