From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Feb 1 06:51:45 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:51:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2004 Issue Online Now Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JANUARY 2004 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS ONLINE NOW The January 2004 issue (#26) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below. This issue brings together all the reviews and articles that appeared on the What's New page in the past quarter. Stay tuned next week for new RADIO SHOWS. NOTE: If you closely watch our What's New page then note that the Roskilde Festival coverage and Pseudo Buddha, The Future Kings Of England, Chlorine Dream, and Kid Icarus reviews in this issue are new. 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For more information visit our online catalog at: http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Feb 1 11:47:23 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:47:23 -0500 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Interview Message-ID: just to let folks know that i've just posted an exclusive Q+A session with Huw that I conducted via e-mail to the museum web site, you can find it at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/huwq+a.htm hope you enjoy it regards Dave From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Feb 1 20:58:55 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:28:55 +1030 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Interview Message-ID: nice one. good to see a serious one on there. Im assuming it was anyway. cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:17 AM Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Interview > just to let folks know that i've just posted an exclusive Q+A session with > Huw that I conducted via e-mail to the museum web site, you can find it at > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/huwq+a.htm > hope you enjoy it > regards > Dave > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Feb 2 12:41:44 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:41:44 -0600 Subject: HW: Was this the guy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Was this the guy... : :Eric said... : :>Dunno about the obnoxious guy, : :Actually, it was *you* talking about the guy at the Limelight :in NYC '95 (don't actually remember him myself...it wasn't :*me* I hope!) in message #67211. I just checked the archives. :But actually, Arin started it (#67209) talking about people in :general at concerts being extra obnoxious at times. And she :being in Chicago (is she still?) matches up perfectly with the :dateline in the Onion article. Must be the same guy. :) heh. Yep, I'm still in Chicago and given that I don't actually seem to go to many local gigs, I doubt that it was the same guy ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Feb 3 11:08:48 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:08:48 +0000 Subject: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky'/Mothergong/Xitintoday Message-ID: If you want to check out my online reviews and CDS sales of Gilli Smyth and related, go to: www.progressive-rockcds.com/en-gb/dept_70.html and you should find what you want that's still available. Andy G (from the work computer as my home one crashed two weeks ago and is still being rebuilt!!!!) > from: Mick Crook > date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:35:05 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky'/Mothergong/Xitintoday > > Is 'Mother' available on CD? > > Thanks > Mick > > > > On further listens today, 'Fairy Tales' may actually be better than 'Eye', > >but I think 'Mother' by Gilli is still superior to both the other two. > > > >If you take 'Mother', 'Good Morning' By Daevid Allen, and 'Now is the > >Happiest Time of your life' also by Daevid, and some of the material from > >the Allen/Smyth/Williamson album 'Stroking the Tail of the Bird' you pretty > >much have the core of great recordings Daevid and Gilli did (post trilogy > >Gong) in Deya during the mid to late 70's. > > > >The covers not ugly enough for Nik ;-) > > > >Rich > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of dave hall > >Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:00 PM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky'/Mothergong/Xitintoday > > > > > >I beg to differ! Fairy Tales is much better - I remember when it came out > >there was a bit of talk about whether or not the cover was based on Nik. > >DAVE > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rich > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Date: 28 January 2004 01:52 > >Subject: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky'/Mothergong/Xitintoday > > > > > >EBS sneaked out 'Xitintoday' on CD in 1997 with very little promotion. It > >does have an interesting selection of people performing on it. > > > >One CD featuring Nik that sometimes people forget about is 'Fairy Tales' by > >Mother Gong, he's credited as playing Muzma Oboe. > > > >Fairy Tales is pretty much what it says it is, 3 Fairy Tales set to Music > >by > >Harry Williamson and Gilli Smyth. > > > >(Note: If you have money, and have a choice of Mother Gong CDs, buy 'Eye' > >instead it's a better album, or even better Gilli Smyths solo LP, 'Mother' > >recorded in Deya with Daevid. ;-) > > > > > >Rich > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of dave hall > >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:15 PM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' > > > > > >Alan Powell and Andy Anderson are on there too! > > > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jon Jarrett > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Date: 26 January 2004 23:41 > >Subject: Re: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' > > > > > >On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, dave hall wrote: > > > > 1978. Around about the time that Hillage and Blake were on the > >Xitintoday. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Jarrett > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Date: 15 November 2003 17:19 > > Subject: Re: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' > > > > > > >On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Rich Warren wrote: > > > > > > Having been a Gong Fan for many moons, I picked the new Virgin/EMI > >Steve > > Hillage > > > Compilation 'Light in the Sky' > > > > > > What a cracking album, very glad I picked it up indeed, has a superb > >b > > side > > > collaboration with Tim Blake called 'Shimmer', and 'Ether Ships' is > >just > > a > > > phenomenal track. 'Activation Meditation/The Glorious Om Riff' is > >truly > > awesome. > > > > > > I don't suppose any suitably pot-headed people would know when > > >that's from exactly so I can stick it in the colaborations file, would > > >they? > > > > I hadn't noticed Blake on _Xitintoday_'s credits. Shows how much I > >know... Thanks for that. Maybe some day this version of the file will make > >it to the web, you never know. Yours, > > Jon > > > >ObCD: Harvey Bainbridge - _Interstellar Chaos_ > >-- > > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > > > > > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Feb 3 11:47:31 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:47:31 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany Message-ID: Hi folks Here are some good news for the German Hawkwind fans BURG HERZBERG FESTIVAL, 15.07. - 18.07.2004 With the following bands: Anekdoten, Anne Haigis, Birth Control, Farfarello & Nippi Noya, Guru Guru, Hawkwind, Helmut Hattler, Karthago, Mark Gillespie, Mister Quimby`s Beard, Nova Drive, Pothead, Ramses, Randy Hansen, Ronnie Taheny, Sunya Beat, Sky`s Shadow, Trigon, Verspielte Zeit http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/Seiten/info.html Cheers Bernhard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 3 18:13:54 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:13:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Was this the guy... In-Reply-To: ; from nickmedford@HOTMAIL.COM on Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:12:37PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:12:37PM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > Does anyone have any more info on this band [Oneida]? http://www.enemyhogs.com/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Feb 4 14:12:03 2004 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:12:03 -0000 Subject: HW : tour dates Message-ID: The tour dates are on Mission Control. Go to the tour news link. From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 5 09:40:29 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:40:29 -0500 Subject: OFF but a bit HW: Psychedelic Scallies Message-ID: This might interest anyone who lived in Merseyside during the late 1980s and who remembers the considerable numbers of people who were into Progressive Rock/Psychedelia. Hawkwind aren't mentioned but they were certainly up there with the other bands. http://www.mccready.cwc.net/scallies.html From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Feb 5 10:19:46 2004 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:19:46 +0000 Subject: OFF but a bit HW: Psychedelic Scallies Message-ID: Thanks for that Alastair - brings back some happy memories, esp. the strange people you met at the 24 hour garage on Edge Lane, 3am, or in Freewheelers club on Wood Street. back to present day. Neil. Alastair cc: Sent by: Subject: OFF but a bit HW: Psychedelic Scallies BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List 05/02/2004 14:40 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List This might interest anyone who lived in Merseyside during the late 1980s and who remembers the considerable numbers of people who were into Progressive Rock/Psychedelia. Hawkwind aren't mentioned but they were certainly up there with the other bands. http://www.mccready.cwc.net/scallies.html From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Feb 5 15:33:41 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:33:41 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: Hello list? From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Feb 5 16:14:22 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:14:22 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: Hello Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Test > Hello list? From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Feb 5 16:20:41 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:20:41 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Brian Halligan wrote: :Subject: Test : :Hello list? Hi Brian! List is still here. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Feb 5 17:51:31 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:31 -0600 Subject: HW: hawkfest thoughts and burg herzberg q. Message-ID: Would any of the nice german speakers in the audience translate the info up at the burg herzberg fest site, so we poor english speakers know what is going on for that? Babelfish doesn't give the best translation in the world ;-) I don't see this yet up on MC, but does anyone know if a separate Hawkfest is still in the works for this year, or would Burg Herzberg be the equivalent? (yes, I'm sure B.H. would be worth it on its own, but if I get to make one trip, the Hawkfest would win for me ;-).) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Feb 6 00:19:22 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:49:22 +1030 Subject: Test Message-ID: giidday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: Test > Hello list? > From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 03:58:41 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 03:58:41 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: Sorry to be pedantic and awkward but instead of saying hello to the list come up with a topic to discuss, I asked for the top 5 albums and the response was great....the only thing I can say is why are not Hawkwind playing in the West Country on their tour, c'mon guys EXETER was great last year how about slipping that one in again! (I'll accept Torquay (played there 2001 but I couldn't go as I had travelled up country to see them, Hitchin, my first Hawkwind gig since the Choose your Masques tour at St Albans!!) From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Feb 6 04:09:44 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:09:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Message-ID: Happy happy happy !!! Maxine (Portsmouth) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 6 05:37:25 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:37:25 +0100 Subject: HW: burg herzberg q. Message-ID: Arin asked... >Would any of the nice german speakers in the audience translate >the info up at the burg herzberg fest site, so we poor english >speakers know what is going on for that? Lass es mir probieren...ich brauche noch einige Uebungen... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Freak Again Self-explanatory >Nachdem jetzt doch schon einiges an Anfragen zum Herzberg >Festival 2004 gekommen ist, hier ein paar aktuelle Info`s: After now some inquiry about Herzberg Festival 2004 has come (and gone), here is some current information. >hier erstmal ein vorlaufiges Line-Up der bisher bestaetigten >Bands: First, here is the current line-up of bands that are confirmed at this point... >Anekdoten, Anne Haigis, Birth Control, Farfarello & Nippi Noya, >Guru Guru, Hawkwind, Helmut Hattler, Karthago, Mark Gillespie, >Mister Quimby's Beard, Nova Drive, Pothead, Ramses, Randy Hansen, >Ronnie Taheny, Sunya Beat, Sky`s Shadow, Trigon, >Verspielte Zeit das Letzte.....Play(ful) time >(Dies ist nur eine vorlaeufige Liste, die in den naechsten Wochen >noch ergaenzt wird) >Datum: >Es bleibt wie gewohnt beim dritten Juli-Wochenende, das hei?t >fur naechstes Jahr: >15.07. - 18.07.2004 This is now (just) a current list, that in the next few weeks is still to be completed. Date: It remains as usual on the third weekend of July, which for the next (this) year is: July 15-18, 2004 >Groesse: >Damit meine ich, die Festivalwiese zu verkleinern, um im Anschluss >mehr Platz fuer Kinderland und Campingwiese zu erreichen. Ausserdem >soll im Bereich der Campingwiese ein Platz fuer ein Kuenstler/Theater- >Zelt geschaffen werden, wo natuerlich auch Workshops, Meetings, >Sessions und anderes stattfinden koennen. Size: By that I mean, the Festival grounds to scale down, in order to achieve more space for the surrounding Kinderland and camping fields. Moreover shall a place for an Artist/Theater-tent in the area of the camping fields be arranged, where naturally also workshops, meetings, sessions and other things can take place. >Im Anschluss an die Campingwiese natuerlich Freak-City in seiner >urspruenglichen Form. Die Staende werden ein bisschen naeher >zusammenruecken und die Festivalwiese umrahmen und es wird nur >1 Buehne geben. Das Gelande rechts der Ottrauer Strasse soll als >Ausweichparkflaeche dienen. In connection with the camping fields, naturally Freak-City in its original form (will exist). The booths will be moved a bit closer together and the Festival grounds 'fenced in' (?) and there will be only one stage. The countryside right of Ottrauerstrasse (Street) shall serve as the 'out-of-the-way' parking surface. >Ticket - Preis: >Wir versuchen, alles etwas zurueckzuschrauben, das heisst, die >Standmieten werden geringer, die Getraenke werden billiger(oder >die Becher groesser), die Essenspreise sollten sich natuerlich auch >nach unten bewegen, hier ist Initiative der Standbetreiber gefragt! >Und der Ticketpreis fuer alle vier Tage wird um einiges guenstiger >sein als in den letzten beiden Jahren, darin ist dann Camping und >auch Parken enthalten. Ausserdem wird es eine Art 'Tagesticket' >fur Leute geben, die sich halt doch nur bestimmte Bands anhoeren >wollen/koennen und nicht das ganze Wochenende am Herzberg bleiben wollen. >Aktuell sind im VVK 50,-E zzgl. VVKGeb. und 60,-E an der Tageskasse >geplant. Ticket-price: We (will) try, everything (to make) somewhat lower, which means that the booth rentals will be lesser (cheaper), the drinks cheaper (or else larger containers), and the food prices should naturally also move (go) down...here we ask for the initiative of the booth operators. And the ticketprice for all four days will be somewhat more reasonable than during the last two years, therein obtained (included) is then camping and also parking (fees). Moreover there will be a type of 'Dayticket' for people who only want/can to hear certain bands and don't want to stay the entire weekend at Herzberg. Currently it (the 4-day pass) is planned for 50 Euros "Vorverkauf" (pre-purchase) "zuzueglich" (plus) "VVKGebuehr" (pre-purchase fee*) and 60 Euros at the "Tageskasse" (Day-cashier, i.e., at the gate). [*NB: It says it's 10% (5 Euro) on the poster page, so I guess you only save 5 Euros by buying early.] >Motto: >Freak Again Self-explanatory >Herzberg hatte immer auch ein politisches Motto und wird es weiterhin >haben. Alleine die Tatsache, das jedes Jahr einige tausend Menschen am >Herzberg ein friedliches Miteinander abseits von hergebrachten Normen >und Zwaengen leben, zeigt den Protest gegen eingefahrene Strukturen . . . >zeigt, dass es auch anders geht. Somit muss man sich das nicht immer wieder >erneut auf die Fahne schreiben und in den Vordergrund stellen. Ich wuerde >lieber gerne da etwas bewegen, wo die Moeglichkeit besteht, wo Notwendigkeit >herrscht und in etwas investieren, das uns allen ein Anliegen sein sollte: >unsere Kinder. Eine solche Unterstuetzung hat fuer mich den gleichen >Stellenwert, wie den Kriegen dieser Welt den Arsch zu zeigen! Herzberg has always had also a political motto and so will it continue. The fact alone that this year a few thousand people at Herzberg (will) live together in a friendly way, apart from the conventional norms & forces (civilization), demonstrates a protest against the 'status quo'...and shows that there's also another way. Thus, one doesn't need always to renew the writing on the flag and place (it) in the foreground. I would rather move toward something, where the possibility exists, where necessity rules, and invest in something that we all should be concerned about: our children. For me, such support has the same significance as "showing your ass" to the wars of this world. >Bands: already listed. >Vielleicht gibt's auch die eine oder andere Re-Union . . . wer weiss . . ;-) Perhaps there will also be a re-union of somebody or other...who knows? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Under Neues, it says... >Der Vorverkauf startet voraussichtlich Ende Januar! >Vorabbestellungen sind bereits jetzt schon moeglich! >info at burgherzberg-festival.de The pre-sales start perhaps by the end of January! Pre-orders are then already probably possible (at that same time)! >So, nun aber lange genug gewartet, und deshalb hier einige Updates >zum Festival: Die Seite hat sich ein wenig veraendert (wird sie wohl >noch oefter) und wir haben das Ticket vorgestellt, dahinter versteckt >sich ein Bestellformular. Sobald die Tickets gedruckt sind, erfolgt >die Versendung, und eine Liste der aktuellen VVK-Stellen gibts dann >auch, kann wie gesagt, noch einige Tage dauern. Bei den Bildern >findet Ihr einige neue Shot`s von den Ozric Tentacles (an dieser Stelle >Danke an Andi und den Floyd). So..."now without further ado" (?), and therefore here some updates about the festival: The (web)page has changed a little (and it will be more often now) and we have introduced the ticket, hidden (securely) behind a order form (meaning: security protection). As soon as the tickets are printed, the shipping (will) take place, and then a list of current pre-purchase-locations also (will) exist, (which as was said?), (will) still take a few days. You can find in the pictures some new 'shots' of the Ozric Tentacles. They be here... http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/ozrics/index.htm >Mit Damo Suzuki, R. Havens, Ozric Tentacles, Das dritte Ohr, Hmmm..the Third Ear (must be a different band) >Nektar, Caravan, UFO und mit Jane sind wir noch am Verhandeln, >ebenso mit verschiedenen anderen Bands (gibt ja noch eine ganze Menge >Anfragen, und Raggae fehlt auch noch). With are we still in negotiations with, as well as with some various other bands (there are still a few inquiries being made, and a reggae band is still missing (from the lineup)). >Vielleicht fehlen im Moment noch die ganz 'grossen' Namen, aber wir >wollen das Ganze bezahlbar halten, und wenn die ein oder andere Band >in diesem Jahr nicht zum Zug kommt, dann bestimmt in 2005 oder in 2006. >Einen Zeitplan, wer wann spielt, sollte dann auch in den naechsten Wochen >fertig sein. Perhaps at the moment (we) are missing the BIG (famous) names, but (we) will want to keep the entire thing affordable, and if and when one (or another) band can't come (to play?) this year, then certainly in 2005 or 2006. A schedule, i.e., who plays when, should then also be finished in the next few weeks. >bis dahin...eine gute Zeit 'till then...(have a) nice time (day) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's all that I see that is really pertinent at the moment. Note: I was there last year (I assume it's being held at the same place again...didn't actually say, did it?), and can answer specific questions about how to get there, and how it all works. Eckardtshausen is a tiny town, so look for Eisenach (Thueringen) near the old West-East Germany border to find the general region where it is. http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue24/burgherz.html For some idea of what last year's event was like... e gueti Ziit (Swiss-German for above)...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. See you there! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 6 06:24:39 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:24:39 GMT Subject: HW: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:09:44 -0000 Message-ID: ***** ( o o ) --------------------------www--------www---------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | Wot, No Edinburgh? | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 6 06:56:01 2004 From: GHawkwind63 at AOL.COM (Michael Gee) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 06:56:01 EST Subject: Test Message-ID: Go the hawkwind group on Yahoo. Its more active, much more..Gee From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 6 08:07:24 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:07:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: ST 37 update Message-ID: Forwarded from Scott Telles... Hello! Welcome to the first ST 37 update in quite a long time. The best news is that The Insect Hospital CD/2xLP is finally here!! We'll be playing our first show since getting back from tour in August on February 27 at 33 Degrees Records in Austin at 6 pm. It's of course an instore in support of the new LP as well as a warmup for our SXSW appearance in March. More details will follow as the event draws nearer. Meanwhile, here's the scoop on all the latest releases: BWR 068 ST 37 The Insect Hospital The new double LP and single CD, with different and unique tracks on both versions (more on the double LP, natch.). Roughly half studio and half live extracts from our "Metropolis" score. CD $12, double LP $20. GI 73 ST 37 The Secret Society The vinyl finally sold out, so we present the CDR version, with the same Daniel Johnston cover art and five bonus tracks mostly unavailable elsewhere. CDR $10 GI 76 ST 37 Live 2003 Our first attempt at a proper live release. 12 tracks culled from three really well-recorded shows from last year's tour. Mininal packaging...CDR $8 GI 37 ST 37 from space w/love Our 1989 cassette release, lovingly remixed and remastered for CDR by Bryan Nelson and SL Telles at Sweatbox, summer 2003. With one bonus track not on the original cassette...CDR $10 GI 72 The moray eels Veto Powered Scott's new solo release. Have actually been performing a fair number of these songs live recently. CDR features lotsa various guest superstars... CDR $10 GI 31 The moray eels The eponymous first cassette release from 1991 now remastered for CDR. Tracks from 1980-1991, illustrating the weirdass musical journey from the Vast Majority to ST 37... CDR $10 "The Secret Society" and "Veto Powered" are available from our website, www.ST37.com , with yer handy credit card, as well as recent releases from Abigail and Hansel and Jherri Sighnfeldt's Atrophied Sac. The rest have yet to be entered, but please email Scott at scotttelles at yahoo.com if you are interested in spending yr hard earned cash on any of our other golden recorded droplets. Thanks for reading, yer pals at ST 37 PO Box 4962, Austin, TX 78765 http://www.geocities.com/bahrainrock From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Feb 6 08:47:06 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:47:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris Dove wrote: > Sorry to be pedantic and awkward but instead of saying hello to the list > come up with a topic to discuss, That was because I was sincerely sending a test message. My email provider has had problems, probably due to MyDoom, and I hadn't received mail from the list for a longer amount of time than usual. There's no sense in typing out an interesting message if you don't even know anyone can read it. ;-) Topic? I'm curious about what HW songs have been the most covered by the musicians on this list. I mean everything from singing into a tape recorder to a full-blown production. I play pretty basic bass, guitar and keys and have always wanted to cover Hassan I Sahba, but like many things it's been pushed to the backburner. Brian From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Feb 6 09:40:55 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:40:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bands Reunited Message-ID: "Bands Reunited" is a VH1 show where they try to convince all the original members of a band to put differences aside and play one reunion concert for the hard core fans. The biggest/best band I've seem them do this for so far is The Alarm. In the back of my head though I've been picturing Al and Joe back on stage with BOC. Unfortunately, all of the bands you can vote for to be reunited right now are ridiculous. Winger? T'Pau? Please God no. I also found this amusing take on the subject: >From RodneyAnonymous.com > I'm assuming that by now, you've all seen an episode or two of Bands Reunited. > It's not surprising that, once again, VH1 has the wrong idea. Why waste all of > that time and energy convincing bands to reunite when there are so many bad > bands out there that they could be convincing to break up? > > That's the show I wanna see. VH1 could call it Bands Considered. "Mick, I've > spoken with Keith and he says that he's willing to put an end to this fiasco > if you are." Brian From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Feb 6 09:47:16 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:47:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bands Reunited Message-ID: >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 02/06/04 09:40AM >>> "Bands Reunited" is a VH1 show where they try to convince all the original members of a band to put differences aside and play one reunion concert for the hard core fans. The biggest/best band I've seem them do this for so far is The Alarm. In the back of my head though I've been picturing Al and Joe back on stage with BOC. I saw an episode last week. I think the band was Squeeze. I didn't stick around to see the concert of the reunited group, though. I think the premise is for bands who broke up with all members going their separate ways. B?C wouldn't qualify, as they've stayed together albeit with different personnel. But I do know a devil's advocate when I see one! theo From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Feb 6 10:10:24 2004 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:10:24 -0700 Subject: HW: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: <200402061124.i16BOdbe006016@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: ***** ( o o ) --------------------------www--------www---------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | Wot, No North America? | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Feb 6 10:41:28 2004 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:41:28 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Message-ID: LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Licht" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates > ***** > ( o o ) > --------------------------www--------www---------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | Wot, No North America? | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Feb 6 10:50:32 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:50:32 -0600 Subject: HW: burg herzberg q. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: burg herzberg q. : :Arin asked... : [translation of Burg Herzberg page snipped] Thanks Keith! You rock. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 6 10:50:31 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:50:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Korai Orom in Canada... Message-ID: OK, so no Hawkwind dates in No. America (just yet?!), but here's something for those interested to consider! It's a 'one-off' and maybe a bit of a travel headache, but I've just seen them, and it's a worthwhile thing to see and hear. And I think this is their first ever show on the North American continent! Korai Orom (Budapest, Hungary) - Live at the 'Hungarian Festival' in Toronto, Ontario, Saturday March 6, 2004 at the Magyar Haz (aka Hungarian House, Heritage Building on St. Clair Ave?) Hmmm...here it does not seem to be listed (yet)... http://www.torontomagyarhaz.org/ but it is confirmed at http://www.korai.hu Enjoy...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. If I wasn't planning to be visiting with friends/relatives in Pittsburgh just then, I would be going myself. :( Oh, well, they play in southern Germany again soon, so... From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Feb 6 14:44:47 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:44:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: burg herzberg q. Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:50:32 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > >[translation of Burg Herzberg page snipped] > >Thanks Keith! You rock. > >Arin He's pretty good going the other way, too ... at least I assume so ... ;^) -Doug (flipping through the dictionary) jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Feb 6 14:59:53 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:59:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Test Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:47:06 -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: >Topic? >I'm curious about what HW songs have been the most covered by the >musicians on this list. I mean everything from singing into a tape >recorder to a full-blown production. Some of these were never recorded (or, in a couple cases, recorded by lineups of the band I wasn't part of), but at least were rehearsed/performed by me ... with various bands: Silver Machine (Cardinal Sin) Psychedelic Warlords (Monoshock) Brainstorm (Monoshock) Ejection (Monoshock) It's So Easy (Space Dust) Back on the Streets (Dogbreath, who also covered "Evil Rock" [Calvert solo] and "Fungus Among Us" [ICU], as well as Pink Fairies & Deviants tunes) Psi Power (Go Commando) Motorhead (Terminalwasteband) Flying Doctor (D'JellyBrains, which we played last thursday) High Rise (Spirits Burning) fronting the tribute band (Ad Hawk): Warrior on the Edge of Time / Assault & Battery / Golden Void Quark, Strangeness & Charm Ten Seconds of Forever / Brainstorm Ground Control / Ejection Spirit of the Age Silver Machine all by my lonesome self (both excuses to pull out the Ric 12-string): Only Dreaming Space Is Deep still meaning to get around to: Urban Guerilla D-Rider Damnation Alley Death Trap Robot 25 Years etc. and, for the other half of the list ... B?C songs covered: Flaming Telepaths (Primordial Undermind) Dominance And Submission (Dogbreath) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 15:29:11 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:29:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: <200402061124.i16BOdbe006016@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: They were nearly booked into the Calton Studios, or Studio 24 as it's now known. I think the geezer was worried he wouldn't reclaim his costs though as he didn't know much about 'em. Persuasion was tried to no avail unfortunately. I thought the last Edinburgh gig was one of the best I've seen too. Still, Glasgow and Aberdeen here I come! cheers, Dave At 11:24 06/02/2004 +0000, you wrote: > ***** > ( o o ) >--------------------------www--------www---------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | Wot, No Edinburgh? | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | | | | | | >-------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Feb 6 15:38:12 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:38:12 +0100 Subject: HW: burg herzberg q. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well done Keith !!!!!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:37 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: burg herzberg q. Arin asked... >Would any of the nice german speakers in the audience translate the >info up at the burg herzberg fest site, so we poor english speakers >know what is going on for that? Lass es mir probieren...ich brauche noch einige Uebungen... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Freak Again Self-explanatory >Nachdem jetzt doch schon einiges an Anfragen zum Herzberg Festival 2004 >gekommen ist, hier ein paar aktuelle Info`s: After now some inquiry about Herzberg Festival 2004 has come (and gone), here is some current information. >hier erstmal ein vorlaufiges Line-Up der bisher bestaetigten >Bands: First, here is the current line-up of bands that are confirmed at this point... >Anekdoten, Anne Haigis, Birth Control, Farfarello & Nippi Noya, Guru >Guru, Hawkwind, Helmut Hattler, Karthago, Mark Gillespie, Mister >Quimby's Beard, Nova Drive, Pothead, Ramses, Randy Hansen, Ronnie >Taheny, Sunya Beat, Sky`s Shadow, Trigon, Verspielte Zeit das Letzte.....Play(ful) time >(Dies ist nur eine vorlaeufige Liste, die in den naechsten Wochen noch >ergaenzt wird) >Datum: >Es bleibt wie gewohnt beim dritten Juli-Wochenende, das hei?t fur >naechstes Jahr: 15.07. - 18.07.2004 This is now (just) a current list, that in the next few weeks is still to be completed. Date: It remains as usual on the third weekend of July, which for the next (this) year is: July 15-18, 2004 >Groesse: >Damit meine ich, die Festivalwiese zu verkleinern, um im Anschluss mehr >Platz fuer Kinderland und Campingwiese zu erreichen. Ausserdem soll im >Bereich der Campingwiese ein Platz fuer ein Kuenstler/Theater- Zelt >geschaffen werden, wo natuerlich auch Workshops, Meetings, Sessions und >anderes stattfinden koennen. Size: By that I mean, the Festival grounds to scale down, in order to achieve more space for the surrounding Kinderland and camping fields. Moreover shall a place for an Artist/Theater-tent in the area of the camping fields be arranged, where naturally also workshops, meetings, sessions and other things can take place. >Im Anschluss an die Campingwiese natuerlich Freak-City in seiner >urspruenglichen Form. Die Staende werden ein bisschen naeher >zusammenruecken und die Festivalwiese umrahmen und es wird nur 1 Buehne >geben. Das Gelande rechts der Ottrauer Strasse soll als >Ausweichparkflaeche dienen. In connection with the camping fields, naturally Freak-City in its original form (will exist). The booths will be moved a bit closer together and the Festival grounds 'fenced in' (?) and there will be only one stage. The countryside right of Ottrauerstrasse (Street) shall serve as the 'out-of-the-way' parking surface. >Ticket - Preis: >Wir versuchen, alles etwas zurueckzuschrauben, das heisst, die >Standmieten werden geringer, die Getraenke werden billiger(oder die >Becher groesser), die Essenspreise sollten sich natuerlich auch nach >unten bewegen, hier ist Initiative der Standbetreiber gefragt! Und der >Ticketpreis fuer alle vier Tage wird um einiges guenstiger sein als in >den letzten beiden Jahren, darin ist dann Camping und auch Parken >enthalten. Ausserdem wird es eine Art 'Tagesticket' fur Leute geben, >die sich halt doch nur bestimmte Bands anhoeren wollen/koennen und >nicht das ganze Wochenende am Herzberg bleiben wollen. Aktuell sind im >VVK 50,-E zzgl. VVKGeb. und 60,-E an der Tageskasse geplant. Ticket-price: We (will) try, everything (to make) somewhat lower, which means that the booth rentals will be lesser (cheaper), the drinks cheaper (or else larger containers), and the food prices should naturally also move (go) down...here we ask for the initiative of the booth operators. And the ticketprice for all four days will be somewhat more reasonable than during the last two years, therein obtained (included) is then camping and also parking (fees). Moreover there will be a type of 'Dayticket' for people who only want/can to hear certain bands and don't want to stay the entire weekend at Herzberg. Currently it (the 4-day pass) is planned for 50 Euros "Vorverkauf" (pre-purchase) "zuzueglich" (plus) "VVKGebuehr" (pre-purchase fee*) and 60 Euros at the "Tageskasse" (Day-cashier, i.e., at the gate). [*NB: It says it's 10% (5 Euro) on the poster page, so I guess you only save 5 Euros by buying early.] >Motto: >Freak Again Self-explanatory >Herzberg hatte immer auch ein politisches Motto und wird es weiterhin >haben. Alleine die Tatsache, das jedes Jahr einige tausend Menschen am >Herzberg ein friedliches Miteinander abseits von hergebrachten Normen >und Zwaengen leben, zeigt den Protest gegen eingefahrene Strukturen . . >. zeigt, dass es auch anders geht. Somit muss man sich das nicht immer >wieder erneut auf die Fahne schreiben und in den Vordergrund stellen. >Ich wuerde lieber gerne da etwas bewegen, wo die Moeglichkeit besteht, >wo Notwendigkeit >herrscht und in etwas investieren, das uns allen ein Anliegen sein >sollte: unsere Kinder. Eine solche Unterstuetzung hat fuer mich den >gleichen Stellenwert, wie den Kriegen dieser Welt den Arsch zu zeigen! Herzberg has always had also a political motto and so will it continue. The fact alone that this year a few thousand people at Herzberg (will) live together in a friendly way, apart from the conventional norms & forces (civilization), demonstrates a protest against the 'status quo'...and shows that there's also another way. Thus, one doesn't need always to renew the writing on the flag and place (it) in the foreground. I would rather move toward something, where the possibility exists, where necessity rules, and invest in something that we all should be concerned about: our children. For me, such support has the same significance as "showing your ass" to the wars of this world. >Bands: already listed. >Vielleicht gibt's auch die eine oder andere Re-Union . . . wer weiss . >. ;-) Perhaps there will also be a re-union of somebody or other...who knows? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Under Neues, it says... >Der Vorverkauf startet voraussichtlich Ende Januar! Vorabbestellungen >sind bereits jetzt schon moeglich! info at burgherzberg-festival.de The pre-sales start perhaps by the end of January! Pre-orders are then already probably possible (at that same time)! >So, nun aber lange genug gewartet, und deshalb hier einige Updates zum >Festival: Die Seite hat sich ein wenig veraendert (wird sie wohl noch >oefter) und wir haben das Ticket vorgestellt, dahinter versteckt sich >ein Bestellformular. Sobald die Tickets gedruckt sind, erfolgt die >Versendung, und eine Liste der aktuellen VVK-Stellen gibts dann auch, >kann wie gesagt, noch einige Tage dauern. Bei den Bildern findet Ihr >einige neue Shot`s von den Ozric Tentacles (an dieser Stelle Danke an >Andi und den Floyd). So..."now without further ado" (?), and therefore here some updates about the festival: The (web)page has changed a little (and it will be more often now) and we have introduced the ticket, hidden (securely) behind a order form (meaning: security protection). As soon as the tickets are printed, the shipping (will) take place, and then a list of current pre-purchase-locations also (will) exist, (which as was said?), (will) still take a few days. You can find in the pictures some new 'shots' of the Ozric Tentacles. They be here... http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/ozrics/index.htm >Mit Damo Suzuki, R. Havens, Ozric Tentacles, Das dritte Ohr, Hmmm..the Third Ear (must be a different band) >Nektar, Caravan, UFO und mit Jane sind wir noch am Verhandeln, ebenso >mit verschiedenen anderen Bands (gibt ja noch eine ganze Menge >Anfragen, und Raggae fehlt auch noch). With are we still in negotiations with, as well as with some various other bands (there are still a few inquiries being made, and a reggae band is still missing (from the lineup)). >Vielleicht fehlen im Moment noch die ganz 'grossen' Namen, aber wir >wollen das Ganze bezahlbar halten, und wenn die ein oder andere Band in >diesem Jahr nicht zum Zug kommt, dann bestimmt in 2005 oder in 2006. >Einen Zeitplan, wer wann spielt, sollte dann auch in den naechsten >Wochen fertig sein. Perhaps at the moment (we) are missing the BIG (famous) names, but (we) will want to keep the entire thing affordable, and if and when one (or another) band can't come (to play?) this year, then certainly in 2005 or 2006. A schedule, i.e., who plays when, should then also be finished in the next few weeks. >bis dahin...eine gute Zeit 'till then...(have a) nice time (day) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ That's all that I see that is really pertinent at the moment. Note: I was there last year (I assume it's being held at the same place again...didn't actually say, did it?), and can answer specific questions about how to get there, and how it all works. Eckardtshausen is a tiny town, so look for Eisenach (Thueringen) near the old West-East Germany border to find the general region where it is. http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue24/burgherz.html For some idea of what last year's event was like... e gueti Ziit (Swiss-German for above)...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. See you there! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Feb 6 18:26:50 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:26:50 -0500 Subject: Fw: REVIEW IS UP!... Message-ID: > Hello Folks! > For those who are interested, I put up a bit of a review about Harvey > Bainbridge's recent English and Belgium gigs (complete with pictures) on > http://www.Strange-Trips.com and http://Harvey.Strange-Trips.com I > hope you enjoy it! Any feedback is also welcome. > Thanks! > Jim > From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 08:55:02 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:55:02 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Great thread!....least 5..anyone? Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: pauleatonjones > Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:59:58 pm Europe/London > To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Subject: Re: Great thread!....least 5..anyone? > > How about favourite tour(s)? > My first - The Ridiculous Roadshow 1974 (28th Jan as it happens) > 1979 Winter > Live Chronicles > Hawkestra > Leeds Spring 2001 > But then all have been fabulous. Except of course those with Ginger > Baker in 1980 and his insistence on that interminable, non-Hawkwind > drum solo during Brainstorm. I think he dragged it out from The Toad > from back in1969. > Paul. > On Saturday, January 24, 2004, at 09:53 am, Michael Gee wrote: > >> The Masters >> Spirit of the Age >> The Best Of >> In The Beginning >> Cosmic Overdrive >> >> because there really all the same bloody CD >> > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Feb 7 20:39:00 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:39:00 EST Subject: OFF: NEKTAR Message-ID: UK Nektar fans may be interested to know that the legendary Nektar guitarist/vocalist Roye Albrighton has a solo appearance at the Joxer Brady pub? in Stafford on Feb 11th. Don't pass up the opportunity to see this one...one of the best! Best regards, Bill Stewart From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Feb 7 23:52:49 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:52:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock & Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (February 8, 2004):We've just uploaded new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #98), Drool Trough (show #4) and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #31). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlists below. AURAL INNOVATIONS MAIL ORDER CATALOG: The new ELECTRIC ORANGE album entitled PLATTE, is a limited edition release, 300 copies, vinyl only, and won't be reissued on CD. If you are familiar with this German band then you know that they are cosmic carriers of the Krautrock torch. I'd like to stock the album but it's a bit expensive and therefore I need to know in advance how many copies I could sell before making the investment. The cost will be about $21 (postage included) to US destinations and a couple dollars more to Canada. Anyone outside the US/Canada will want to contact Gregor from Catweezle at catweezle at rtlworld.de to inquire about ordering. So check out the new album and everything you need to know about Electric Orange at http://www.electric-orange.com and then drop me a note at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com if you would like to reserve a copy. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #98) Igra Staklenih Perli - "Putovanje U Plavo" (from Igra Staklenih Perli) Vas Deferens Organization - "Purple Aerosol" (from Saturation) Jet Jaguar - "Brain Stun" (from Free Space) Melting Euphoria - "Celestial Hysteria" (from Inside The Gardens Of The Mind) Twelve - "Travelin' Light" (from First Album) Walls Of Genius - "The Massacre" (from Raw Sewage, Vol. I) Man In Space - "Psyche'd'Hell'ic" (from For Medicinal Use Only) Sow Belly - "Sub Urban Space Man" (from Sub Urban Space Man) The Honey Palace - "Love Spell" (from Have You Seen Love?) Bit's - "Can Beee" (from Home-Run) Escapade - "Transformation 2" (from A Thousand Shades Of Grey) Drool Trough (show #4) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring all kinds of cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Little Bare Big Bear - "Little Man" (from Little Man/Dr. Morgan's Panacea 7") The Lazy Lane - "The Girl Upstairs" (from Sea Witch 7") The Gene Drayton Unit - "Due Bottoni" (from Due Buttoni/Juicy Lucy 7") Walls Of Genius - "Red River Valley" (from Raw Sewage, Vol. I) Little Fyodor - "I Believe In God" (from Idiots Are Closer To God) The Kitchen Cynics - "Fossil Song" (from Parallel Dog Days) The New Digital Sound - "You" (from The New Digital Sound) Jack Daddy Loops aka Loopty - "Trader Shag's" (from A Tribute To Brockport) The Painted Air - "Take A Drive" (from The Painted Air 7") Joshua Charles - "They Danced" (from Being In The Energy Funnel) Arthur Loves Plastic - "Vapour" (from Higher Fruit) Skinbat Scramble - "North By Northwest" (from Vol 3) C. Goff III/Killr Kaswan/Mike Adams - "Macromolecular" (from Coo Sticky) C. Goff III - "Fiber Con" (from Coo Sticky) Pulse Engine - "Inner Second" (from Polarised) Kemialliset Ystavat - "Kuuntelin Kuinka Puut Kuiskivat" (from Kellari Juniversumi) Carol Blaze - "Where The Night Is Calling" (from Deep Recession) Saints & Devils - "The Preacher & The Devil" (from Saints & Devils) Trench Coat Yuppies - "Tora Bora" (from This Is Next...) Ehmes - "Oil's Of The Evening Prim's" (from You Can Hear Me) The William Academy - "Regret" (from Five Fight Songs) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #31) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we review at Aural Innovations. My Fun - "Holiday" (from Quotidian Assemblages Volume One) Blintian Vuzhdig - "Mister" (from Mister single) Mystified - "Pan Pan Pot Spoon" (from Quotidian Assemblages Volume One) Saints & Devils - "Couldn't Hear Nobody Pray" (from Saints & Devils) Djamra - "Mood" (from Transplantation) Carl Howard - "Dispension Of Notbelief" (from Quotidian Assemblages Volume Two) Joseph Benzola - "Portraits Of The Dead: Kerouac-Burroughs-Gysin" (from Winter In America) Walls Of Genius - track 2 (from Ludovico Treatment: Music To Cure Your Ills) Scott Taylor - "Sweet Dreams" (from Quotidian Assemblages Volume Two) Charles Rice Goff III/Eric Matchett/Jonathan Sielaff - "Blowing & Fingering" (from Puddle Town) http://Aural-Innovations.com From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Feb 8 15:17:54 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:17:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bands Reunited Message-ID: I haven't seen the actual show, but I've read the list of bands that'll be featured, and it's excessively lame. I think any band that a significant number of people have wanted to see reunite has already pretty much done so. Or, as Theo alluded to in the case of BOC, the band itself has soldiered on in one form or another. VH1 doesn't have much to work with. I'm surprised they even bothered to go ahead with the series with a lineup like that. Kajagoogoo??? --Nick From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Feb 8 15:33:47 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:33:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: On Trial in the USofA Message-ID: FYI... The Danish 'stoner/psych-revivalists' (as I'll call them) On Trial are playing at the South-by-Southwest fest in Texas, and appear to be doing show in NYC both on the way in and (hope to) also on the way out of the country. So, even if there is a total lack of boc-lers in Tejas (?), then the folx around the 'city' might still be interested. Having just seen them, I can tell you it's a worthwhile show to catch. Grakkl (FAA) March 16 - Piano's, NY March 18 - Club DeVille, Austin TX (TeePee Records showcase) March 23 - ???, NY From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 18:56:54 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:56:54 EST Subject: OFF: On Trial in the USofA Message-ID: I'm there! Bill From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Feb 8 20:09:00 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:09:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Oneida Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:13:54 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:12:37PM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >> Does anyone have any more info on this band [Oneida]? > >http://www.enemyhogs.com/ Thanks for that. On closer inspection it seems the London date I mentioned, which I got from the Heads website, was last year! Obviously the Heads' famously, er, laidback approach to life extends to updating their site too. Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 06:32:29 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:32:29 GMT Subject: HW: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:29:11 +0000 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > They were nearly booked into the Calton Studios, or Studio 24 as it's now > known. I think the geezer was worried he wouldn't reclaim his costs though > as he didn't know much about 'em. Persuasion was tried to no avail > unfortunately. I thought the last Edinburgh gig was one of the best I've > seen too. Still, Glasgow and Aberdeen here I come! Yep, they've put on some fine performances at the Liquid Rooms. FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 9 09:44:37 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:44:37 +0000 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: Does anyone know the source of the Dave Brock interview on the DVD portion of this package? Thanks, Eddie. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Feb 9 11:31:06 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:31:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: HW: Monster Magnet tour/album... Message-ID: Hey Folks... The European leg of the Monster Magnet tour starts soon. The new album entitled "Monolithic Baby" comes out here on Feb. 16th, but a little later in the US (I guess). Note that there is a special ltd. ed. 2xCD version that will include two videos (one of the Hawkwind/Calvert cover "The Right Stuff"...hmmm...is it intended as a single?), an interview, and two live tracks from a show at the Astoria (titles not given on the page that I saw). Here are the dates, according to the official site. I'll be at the on in Fribourg, which also features a band called Gluecifer (ring a bell, anyone?) and also a German (?) stoner band that I know called The Quill. I have their first CD (in the US, so I haven't heard it in some time), and I see they have two more now. I didn't rate the first S/T one so highly (IIRC)...anybody heard their more recent stuff? Grakkl (FAA) 20-Feb-2004 Wolves Civic Hall United Kingdom 21-Feb-2004 Nottingham Rock City United Kingdom 22-Feb-2004 Manchester MDH United Kingdom 24-Feb-2004 Dublin Ireland 25-Feb-2004 Glasgow Garage Scotland 26-Feb-2004 Northampton Roadmenders United Kingdom 28-Feb-2004 Paris Trabendo France 29-Feb-2004 Brussels Ab Belgium 01-Mar-2004 Amsterdam Melkweg Holland 02-Mar-2004 Dortmund Soundgarden Germany 04-Mar-2004 Malmo KB Sweden 05-Mar-2004 Gotengorg Tragarn Sweden 06-Mar-2004 Oslo Rockefeller Norway 08-Mar-2004 Helsinki Tavastia Finland 10-Mar-2004 Stockholm Arenan Sweden 11-Mar-2004 Copenhagen Pumpehuset Denmark 12-Mar-2004 Arhus Vaxhall Denmark 14-Mar-2004 Hamburg Gr. Freitheit Germany 15-Mar-2004 Hannover Capitiol Germany 16-Mar-2003 Cologne Live Music Germany 18-Mar-2004 Berlin Columbiahalle Germany 19-Mar-2004 Dresden Schlachthof Germany 20-Mar-2004 Warsaw Stodola Poland 22-Mar-2004 Prague Palace Acropolis Czech Republic 23-Mar-2004 Stuttgart Longhorne Germany 24-Mar-2004 Nuremberg Lowensaal Germany 26-Mar-2004 Munich Elsarhalle Germany 27-Mar-2004 Vienna Plannet Austria 28-Mar-2004 Graz Orpheum Austria 30-Mar-2004 Milan Transilvania Live Italy 31-Mar-2004 Rome Circolo Degli Artis Italy 01-Apr-2004 Treviso New Age Italy 03-Apr-2004 Fribourg Fri-Son Switzerland 04-Apr-2004 Zurich Rote Fabrick Switzerland 05-Apr-2004 Barcelona Razzmataz Spain 06-Apr-2004 Madrid Arenan Spain 08-Apr-2004 Lyon Transbordeur France 09-Apr-2004 Strasbourg Laterie France 11-Apr-2004 Schijndel Paaspop Festival Holland 12-Apr-2004 London Shepards Bush Empire United Kingdom 16-Apr-2004 Athens Greece From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Feb 9 11:48:49 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:48:49 +0100 Subject: Korai Orom in Canada... Message-ID: Previously, I said... >It's a 'one-off' and maybe a bit of a travel headache, but >I've just seen them, and it's a worthwhile thing to see and >hear. And I think this is their first ever show on the North >American continent! > >Korai Orom (Budapest, Hungary) - Live at the 'Hungarian Festival' >in Toronto, Ontario, Saturday March 6, 2004 at the Magyar Haz >(aka Hungarian House, Heritage Building on St. Clair Ave?) > >Hmmm...here it does not seem to be listed (yet)... >http://www.torontomagyarhaz.org/ > >but it is confirmed at >http://www.korai.hu Well, OK, Emil now tells me that the Toronto show is still uncertain, as they are still not sure if the money will be there for them to make the overseas travel. So don't make any definite plans yet to go there for the show, until there's a definitive word. I'll let you know if I find out, or else keep checking these two pages for more information. Grakkl (FAA) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Feb 9 14:34:10 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:34:10 -0000 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: Source? Not sure what you mean. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD > Does anyone know the source of the Dave Brock interview on the DVD portion > of this package? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Feb 9 15:00:13 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: HW: 17th April - Celtic Warriors Bash Message-ID: Hawkwind will not now be playing at this event due to licencing problems. Colin From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Feb 9 15:14:13 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:14:13 -0500 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: Probably means date and location. Cheers Stephe > > From: Colin J Allen > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 02:34:10 EST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD > > Source? Not sure what you mean. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eddie jobson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:44 PM > Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD > > > > Does anyone know the source of the Dave Brock interview on the DVD portion > > of this package? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eddie. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 9 17:22:29 2004 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:22:29 -0000 Subject: 17th April - Celtic Warriors Bash Message-ID: Shame would have been a good weekend seeing as Dumpy's play the Friday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: HW: 17th April - Celtic Warriors Bash > Hawkwind will not now be playing at this event due to licencing problems. > > Colin > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 10 04:17:26 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:17:26 +0000 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough. Wasn't sure if the Brock interview was from a tv clip already shown or some unseen footage? >From: Stephe Lindas >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD >Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:14:13 -0500 > >Probably means date and location. Cheers Stephe > > > > From: Colin J Allen > > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 02:34:10 EST > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD > > > > Source? Not sure what you mean. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "eddie jobson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:44 PM > > Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD > > > > > > > Does anyone know the source of the Dave Brock interview on the DVD >portion > > > of this package? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > > > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Tue Feb 10 04:33:06 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:33:06 -0000 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: > Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough. Wasn't sure if the Brock interview > was from a tv clip already shown or some unseen footage? And, is it the same interview that's mooted for the Newcastle 2002 DVD release? Dave From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Feb 10 05:25:40 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 05:25:40 -0500 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: The interview footage was shot for this use. Colin From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Tue Feb 10 05:34:44 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:34:44 -0000 Subject: Welcome the the Future CD & DVD Message-ID: > The interview footage was shot for this use. Sorry if I'm being a bit obtuse here Colin, but does "this" mean the WtfF CD/DVD or the Newcastle DVD or both (or something else!)? Cheers Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 10 09:08:00 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:08:00 GMT Subject: Will there be more tour dates? Message-ID: I gotta commit to some other stuff in April/May. It'd be useful to know whether there are likely to be any more tour dates added, particularly at weekends. Also, has Edinburgh on the 24th been entirely given up? FoFP From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 11 17:50:17 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:50:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Message-ID: There's always the Corn Exchange in Edinburgh (I think its called that?). It's a bit of a strange and out of the way place though and the only time I went there (a few years ago now) there were individual seats laid out almost like a village hall and drinks were served in a back room that looked like it had been set up as a temporary bar only an hour or so earlier. But I'm sure there have been other shows there and the stage looked a decent size. No idea what it would be like to perform on though! just a thought jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates > gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > > > They were nearly booked into the Calton Studios, or Studio 24 as it's now > > known. I think the geezer was worried he wouldn't reclaim his costs though > > as he didn't know much about 'em. Persuasion was tried to no avail > > unfortunately. I thought the last Edinburgh gig was one of the best I've > > seen too. Still, Glasgow and Aberdeen here I come! > > Yep, they've put on some fine performances at the Liquid Rooms. > > FoFP From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Feb 12 15:18:01 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:18:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Tour Dates Message-ID: + + + + STAR WARRIORS + + + HAWKWIND SPRING TOUR DATES UPDATED Please see Mission Control for the latest information: www.hawkwind.com http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_04st-fly.htm + ++ + + MESSAGE ENDS + + + ++ + From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 12 22:25:10 2004 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:25:10 EST Subject: HW: Spring Tour Dates Message-ID: I have given up on any US dates. It's just not going to happen. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Feb 13 06:25:18 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:25:18 +0100 Subject: Hawk midi??? Message-ID: Hallo Bart, Hoe kan ik die op mijn gsm plaatsen?? groetjes filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Brugmans" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Hawk midi??? Hi, I have Quark Strangeness & Charm as midi file and use it as ringtone for my mobile...and no, i have no idea how to create a track. --BArt Citeren "chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET" : > Hi ya, > > Does anyone know if any Hawkwind or related 'music' has been covered by > midi mucisians? > > If not (or even if there is) is there interest in trying to create some? > Anyone capable of creating a drum track? > Another the bass and so. until something happens we can all groove to? > (an interesting experimment) > > Maybe a kinda virtual cosmic jam, Even if people don't have midi they > could use a tracker or something to add their stuff. > > Especially if anyone can create a decent midi drum track I want some > help with an idea (slightly different experiment), Ability to do > something interesting to free form kinda disturbing kinda ambient kinda > manic sounds as well as ability to do rock riffs is probably what I > need. Or maybe just imagination and a sense of rythm > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 13 10:41:31 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:41:31 GMT Subject: One possible digital music future Message-ID: This may be of interest: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/35260.html From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Feb 14 04:14:17 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:44:17 +1030 Subject: alien dream OFF Message-ID: Hello list(s) Just wanted to have a wee blab because my latest track "In The Void" has now jumped to # 24 in the Progressive rock catagory at SOUND CLICK So thanks to anyone who popped in there and had a listen and voted. For anyone who may still be interested you may get over there via this link: http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=136265 Cheers Michael B http://www.alien-dream.com From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sat Feb 14 06:59:30 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:59:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: One possible digital music future In-Reply-To: <200402131541.i1DFfVIe015673@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On average I buy around a CD a week, say ?60 a month. If I could get them for $6 a month as the article suggests that would be great, but I don't see it happening. Even if it did, human nature being what it is many peope would still try and get the music for nothing. I can see a time, in the not too distant future, when anything in digital form will be routinely pirated and circulated on the Internet. That means any CD, any film or any book can be downloaded provided only you make a minimal effort to look for it. A few people will still want to buy the originals to get the packaging, but in general the market will collapse. Maybe that means people will stop making CDs and films, but I suspect that it actually means artists will derive their income from other means like live performances. JR PS For the record all my Hawkwind CDs are originals, even though many of them I had to buy on eBay at a grossly inflated price of which the band get nothing :-( -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 13 February 2004 15:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: One possible digital music future This may be of interest: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/35260.html From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Feb 14 09:12:33 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:42:33 +1030 Subject: OFF: One possible digital music future Message-ID: All these things are allready being pirated and circulated either on the net or at "black markets" - cd's, movies, programs etc and I dont know of anyone who gets a "royalty" payment on second hand sales for products they created. They normally get paid the royalty when it is sold new. ----- Original Message ----- From: "HawkFan" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: OFF: One possible digital music future > I can see a time, in the not too distant future, when anything in digital > form will be routinely pirated and circulated on the Internet. That means > any CD, any film or any book can be downloaded provided only you make a > minimal effort to look for it. A few people will still want to buy the > originals to get the packaging, but in general the market will collapse. > Maybe that means people will stop making CDs and films, but I suspect that > it actually means artists will derive their income from other means like > live performances. > > JR > > PS For the record all my Hawkwind CDs are originals, even though many of > them I had to buy on eBay at a grossly inflated price of which the band get > nothing :-( > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Feb 14 12:02:54 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:02:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: One possible digital music future In-Reply-To: <000101c3f2f2$0150dd30$8080a8c0@ratworks.local> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 11:59:30AM -0000, HawkFan wrote: => On average I buy around a CD a week, say ?60 a month. If I could get them => for $6 a month as the article suggests that would be great, but I don't see => it happening. Even if it did, human nature being what it is many peope would => still try and get the music for nothing. There would be no point in doing so. If I read the article correctly, the $6/month figure represents an increase in Broadband subscription costs to finance the "free" download system. (Think of it as a flat $6/month "arts and entertainment" tax on your high-speed connection.) So, given you've already paid it, and it's high-speed downloaders who are downloading large media content, why would you try and get the music for nothing when you've already bought legitimate access to it? Of course, the tricky stumbling block is getting the system in place. But, if it were in place, I can't think of any real incentive why Joe Blow on the street would want to download material outside that framework. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From senator at PFENNIG.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sat Feb 14 12:12:05 2004 From: senator at PFENNIG.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:12:05 -0800 Subject: Dorktower mentions Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <20040214170254.GB58981@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Feb 14, 2004 12:02:54 PM Message-ID: http://www.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/images/comics/dorktower319.jpg Okay, it amused me... Bill From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Feb 15 17:05:56 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:05:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (February 15, 2004):We've just uploaded new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #99), Drool Trough (show #5) and Alchemical Radio (show #55). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlists below. NEW IN STOCK @ THE AURAL INNOVATIONS CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Jelly Planet - "Food" Jelly Planet are a quartet from Germany who play an accessible but power rocking brand of space rock. Reference points include Porcupine Tree, general hard rock, and even a bit of Farflung. For more information visit our online catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #99) Jelly Planet - "Cosmic" (from Food) When's The Future - "Land Of Milk And Money" (from Then) Cosmo Jones Beat Machine - "Hellbait" (from Negrospiritualized) Planet 0 - "The Minds Eye Sees Porkpie" (from The Hermit Dreams In Color!!!!) Tyko - "Solid Air" (from A Long Way From One To Zero) Flesh Resonance - "Twilight" (from The Dark Between The Stars) The Pyramids Of Snafu - "Free Energy" (from Alternative Present) Anomie - "Paths Of Life" (from A Trip Into The Unknown) Paradox One - "We Are As One" (from Escalators To Mars) Blade Of The Sun - "Rise Into The Sky" (from T-30 Control) Barry Cleveland - "Obsidian Night" (from Volcano) World Of Tomorrow - "Start Over, Go Faster" (from Interstellar Immigrant) Drool Trough (show #5) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring all kinds of cool music from the underground. 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Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Charles Goff III - Soul Lang Syne Tony Winn - Satan's Zoo MC Ear - Priest The Clumsy Lovers - Highland Skip The New York City Reggae Collective - Nuclear War Queeensryche - Under My Skin TheHandsome Donkeys - ScarboroughFair Cheap Wine - Reckless Six Fing Thing - The Basic Nobility Of A Small Boy Daniele Brusaschetto - Poesia Totale Dei Muscoli Lamp Of The Universe - Tantra Asana The Electric Riders - Metamorphosis Absolute Zero - Bared Cross Charles Goff III - Lite & Lightning Lang Syne http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 15 18:28:56 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:28:56 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Dave Law wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000, eddie jobson > wrote: > >Incidentally on the original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, > >Calvert does the main vocals, but someone is singing in the background > >(which sounds like different words), any idea who and what is being > >sung? > > with regards to backing vocals on silver machine, i have in fromt of me a > Trev Hughes "Hawkfrendz" newsletter from January 91 (no not april!) and in > it is an open letter from a Lori Pompan who at the time was manager of > former Pink Fairy Twink, according to this and i quote - > "did you know that Twink was on Silver Machine on backing vocals" > ones to assume this to be genuine, so could this solve the mystery? I'm not sure about that. Let's remember that this is Twink, who claims to have been a member of Hawkwind and Syd Barrett's bands on the strength of two and three partial gigs respectively, and who alters writing credits in his name almost as freely as, well, Dave Brock or Nik Turner. I wouldn't trust him or his manager to be right about this. Furthermore however, this `Silver Machine' is originally from the 1971 Greasy Truckers' Party, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's right there's a hint of a different answer in that. The `Master of the Universe' from that recording, on the _Space Ritual_ remaster should you want to check, has also got extra vocals that evening, mostly echoing Nik's lines in the next phrase. And they sound to me as if they're in a Welsh accent. Whatever else Twink may have claimed to be, he's not Welsh; I think Dik Mik had a mike that night (and he was by Doug Smith's own account, webbed somewhere I think, along with Lemmy sufficiently wrecked as to be unable to move, not very long before the performance). I think his is probably the extra voice on `Silver Machine' too. Yours, Jon ObCD: Anubian Lights - _Eternal Sky_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Feb 16 02:25:15 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:55:15 +1030 Subject: alien dream Message-ID: Hi just a quickie to let you all know of a new track uploaded to click start - in case anyone wants to have a listen its called "When Gods Dream" http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=136265 btw - "IN THE VOID" lept to # 18 yesterday - I'm curious to see where it will be tonight.... ok I'll be quiet now. http://www.alien-dream.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 16 06:38:33 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:33 GMT Subject: OFF: One possible digital music future In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:02:54 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 11:59:30AM -0000, HawkFan wrote: > => On average I buy around a CD a week, say ?60 a month. If I could > get them => for $6 a month as the article suggests that would be > great, but I don't see => it happening. Even if it did, human nature > being what it is many peope would => still try and get the music for > nothing. > There would be no point in doing so. If I read the article correctly, > the $6/month figure represents an increase in Broadband subscription > costs to finance the "free" download system. (Think of it as a flat > $6/month "arts and entertainment" tax on your high-speed connection.) > So, given you've already paid it, and it's high-speed downloaders who > are downloading large media content, why would you try and get the > music for nothing when you've already bought legitimate access to it? > Of course, the tricky stumbling block is getting the system in place. The argument as to how this will come about is essentially that the music industry and Hollywood, being faced with massive loss of revenue in face of widespread piracy and the failure of Digital Right Management, will cry uncle and agree to the system given that their current levels of revenue will be guaranteed in perpetuity. Any increase would essentially be like the BBC begging for an increase in the Licence Fee. There's little doubt that the ISP's have an interest in having the system in place: guaranteed extra cash as folks get access to an entire planet's entertainment output for 6 Dollars (3 quid pretty soon the way things are headed) per month on top. They'd easily build up subscribers and the folks with all that extra glass under the roads would get to see it lit. Also it'd end the legal harassment of their current customers. The advertisers would probably get some of their wares in there too. The main downside I can see to it is that it's as likely as not to get implented by politicians as by those in the business. > But, if it were in place, I can't think of any real incentive why Joe > Blow on the street would want to download material outside that > framework. Essentially Danny Downloader would be being subsidised by folks who only got time to occasionally graze online entertainment, just as folks who watch a lot of TV are essentially subsidised by those who watch only a little. Seems we're able to live with that. I wouldn't go so far to argue that this is certainly the future but the article is persuasive in putting it forward as a future that makes economic sense. I wouldn't be surprised to see some variant of it once every effort has been expended by the entertainment indudstries to create a sound'n'vision police state. What's being tried right now though is based on the model of the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and just about as unrealistic in practice. FoFP From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Feb 16 10:31:21 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:31:21 -0000 Subject: Off: RE: Dorktower mentions Hawkwind Message-ID: But isn't this what the majors are actually trying to do... Cheers ChrisW NP:First Steps (Klangbad Sampler from "The Wire") ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Bill Bradley > Subject: Dorktower mentions Hawkwind > http://www.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/images/comics/dorktower319.jpg Okay, it amused me... Bill From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 16 15:25:21 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:25:21 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: Doubtless some here will already know about this site but I just came across it: http://www.musicstack.com amazing selection, just picked up Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off Baby" for a little over 8 quid, which has to qualify as a serious bargain (saw it for ?45 on Portobello Road just yesterday). Anyway there's loads of HW listed, including tour programmes, tickets and other memorabilia, and collectors may well find something to interest them. A couple of HW records I didn't recognise- an album called "Assassins of Allah"- a bootleg maybe? And an EP called "Your last chance"- any guesses? Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 16 15:51:42 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:51:42 -0000 Subject: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > A couple of HW records I didn't recognise- an album called > "Assassins of > Allah"- a bootleg maybe? And an EP called "Your last chance"- > any guesses? > There was a 12" Assassins single (shaped pic disc) featuring a recording from Reading '86 (I think). The Last Chance was a Flicknife release of HW Zoo, Calvert (Lord of the Hornets and Moorcock's Dodgem Dude IIRC. Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 17 06:32:22 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:32:22 GMT Subject: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Nick Lee's message of Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:51:42 -0000 Message-ID: Nick Lee writes: > > A couple of HW records I didn't recognise- an album called > > "Assassins of > > Allah"- a bootleg maybe? And an EP called "Your last chance"- > > any guesses? > > > > There was a 12" Assassins single (shaped pic disc) featuring a recording > from Reading '86 (I think). Not quite. The shaped disc was the Magnu/Silver machine disc. There was a single released with the Italian "Vinile" magazine which had an insert with the "Assassins" track on it - as you say, the Hassan I Sabha track from the Reading 1986 concert. "Assassins of Allah" though was indeed a bootleg LP released in 1994 with the tracks: Master of the Universe - From Greasy Truckers LP Born To Go - " " " Silver Machine - From Glastonbury Fayre LP (GreasyTruckers gig) Welcome to the Future - " " " " " Assassins of Allah - From the Vinile single Master of the Universe - From Bristol Custom Bike Show LP Silver Machine - " " " " " FoFP From GutterCat at AOL.COM Tue Feb 17 08:02:28 2004 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:02:28 EST Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: In a message dated 16/02/04 20:26:36 GMT Standard Time, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > Anyway there's loads of HW listed, including tour programmes, tickets and > other memorabilia, and collectors may well find something to interest them. > A couple of HW records I didn't recognise- an album called "Assassins of > Allah"- a bootleg maybe? And an EP called "Your last chance"- any guesses? The "Your Last Chance" EP was released by Flicknife in 1983 as a 7" 45rpm in a pic sleeve, under the banner 'Hawkwind & Co'. Tracks are: 'Hurry On Sundown' - Hawkwind Zoo, 'Dodgem Dude' - Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix, and 'Lord Of The Hornets' - Robert Calvert. Hope that helps. Steve. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 17 11:52:04 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:52:04 GMT Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: I should have added, re the Silver Machine/Magnu shaped bike single; there are some rare smapler versions of these around which are a whole disc with the cutout in the middle of it. These sell for much more. It's one of the things that I don't have. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 17 12:12:49 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". Does anyone know what this one is? FoFP From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 17 12:20:43 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > >Does anyone know what this one is? > Could be wrong but I suspect this is actually "The Very Best Rock Album Ever" or something of that ilk, with Silver Machine (plus Smoke On the Water, Paranoid, Freebird, and all the other usual suspects). In fact the very first time I ever heard Silver Machine was on such an album although I can't remember the exact title of the comp. Thanks to you and everyone else who responded. Nick From youless at COX.NET Tue Feb 17 13:11:22 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:11:22 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: Hi Mike I have this. It's the Dutch version of "Masters of Rock" Hawkwind sampler ("A 2002 EMI compilation that includes two otherwise unavailable live tracks culled from the Autumn 2001 UK tour - 'Lighthouse' and 'Love In Space'"). It was released by EMI Netherlands with a different cover. Hope that helps Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > >Does anyone know what this one is? > >FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 17 13:22:57 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:22:57 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: <200402171712.i1HHCnuB023534@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Think I have seen this one, maybe. If so it was just the usual Castle licensed material. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 17 February 2004 17:13 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > > > I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > > Does anyone know what this one is? > > FoFP > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Feb 17 15:56:37 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:56:37 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: Blimey - I've got a Hawkwind item you don't have! Mmmmmmmmm purchasing power....... jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > I should have added, re the Silver Machine/Magnu shaped bike single; > there are some rare smapler versions of these around which are a whole > disc with the cutout in the middle of it. These sell for much more. It's > one of the things that I don't have. > > FoFP From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Feb 17 18:39:26 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:39:26 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: Dutch version of the cheapo one that came out over here on EMI - a best of with two bonus tracks of which I completely forget the title right now - but the Dutch one is same music - just way different cover art. We do stock it when asked. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > > Does anyone know what this one is? > > FoFP From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Feb 17 18:41:06 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:41:06 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: nooooooo - not that at all - I will get the full details tomorrow I hope. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > >I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > > > >Does anyone know what this one is? > > > > Could be wrong but I suspect this is actually "The Very Best Rock Album > Ever" or something of that ilk, with Silver Machine (plus Smoke On the > Water, Paranoid, Freebird, and all the other usual suspects). > > In fact the very first time I ever heard Silver Machine was on such an > album although I can't remember the exact title of the comp. > > Thanks to you and everyone else who responded. > > Nick From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Feb 17 18:42:05 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (deadearnest) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:42:05 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: that's the one - thanks Steve. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Youles To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > Hi Mike > > I have this. It's the Dutch version of "Masters of Rock" Hawkwind sampler > ("A 2002 EMI compilation that includes two otherwise unavailable live > tracks culled from the Autumn 2001 UK tour - 'Lighthouse' and 'Love In > Space'"). It was released by EMI Netherlands with a different cover. > > Hope that helps > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > >I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". > > > >Does anyone know what this one is? > > > >FoFP From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Feb 17 19:47:33 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:47:33 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:42:05 -0000, deadearnest wrote: > >that's the one - thanks Steve. ... except that the version of "Love In Space" is from 1996 or so, not 2001 ("Lighthouse" is from 2001). But close enough :^). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Youles >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:11 PM >Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > >> I have this. It's the Dutch version of "Masters of Rock" Hawkwind >> sampler ("A 2002 EMI compilation that includes two otherwise >> unavailable live tracks culled from the Autumn 2001 UK tour - >> 'Lighthouse' and 'Love In Space'"). It was released by EMI >> Netherlands with a different cover. >> >> Hope that helps >> >> Steve >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- >> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:12:49 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >> >> >I saw a CD on this site called "The Very best Hawkwind Album Ever". >> > >> >Does anyone know what this one is? >> > >> >FoFP From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 17 22:01:02 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:01:02 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:41:06 -0000, deadearnest wrote: >nooooooo - not that at all Evidently not! Well, you live and learn. I do remember now that the comp I mentioned with Silver Machine on it was simply called (ahem) "HEAVY". (Well, they say brevity is the soul of clarity.)It must have been about 1982. As well as various hoary old "rock classics" it had some tracks by bands that were supposedly the up-and- coming cutting edge as far as all things "heavy" were concerned. IIRC it thus included such luminaries as, erm, Diamond Head and Tygers of Pan Tang. It absolutely amazes me to think that this was what introduced me to the 'Wind. (Remember when everyone called them "the 'Wind"? Why did that stop?) Nick From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Feb 17 22:05:00 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:05:00 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: Hey - don't knock the Tygers, err, man. (Thieving bastards...) :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:01 AM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:41:06 -0000, deadearnest > wrote: > > >nooooooo - not that at all > > Evidently not! Well, you live and learn. > > I do remember now that the comp I mentioned with Silver Machine on it was > simply called (ahem) "HEAVY". (Well, they say brevity is the soul of > clarity.)It must have been about 1982. As well as various hoary old "rock > classics" it had some tracks by bands that were supposedly the up-and- > coming cutting edge as far as all things "heavy" were concerned. IIRC it > thus included such luminaries as, erm, Diamond Head and Tygers of Pan Tang. > It absolutely amazes me to think that this was what introduced me to > the 'Wind. > > (Remember when everyone called them "the 'Wind"? Why did that stop?) > > Nick > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 17 22:17:33 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:17:33 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: ; from nickmedford@HOTMAIL.COM on Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 10:01:02PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 10:01:02PM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > (Remember when everyone called them "the 'Wind"? Nope. Must be a UK thing. Over here, nobody calls them anything at all :-( If I say I'm a fan and am not met with a blank stare, it's a banner day... When I was in Manchester for the Dec. 02 tour, and told a cab driver why I was in town, not only had he heard of them, but had rather liked them back in the day. It was one of those "geez, are *they* back [sic] together?" conversations. Still, I was quite impressed. > Why did that stop?) Probably the same reason it never got started here: not enough (in your case, no longer enough) mindshare to sustain a nickname. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From youless at COX.NET Wed Feb 18 01:40:00 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:40:00 -0500 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: This I did not know - thanks for the correction, Doug. And I can confirm Andy G's mention of CD Services providing it upon request....that's whence and how my copy got to me :-) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:47:33 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: >... except that the version of "Love In Space" is from 1996 or so, not >2001 ("Lighthouse" is from 2001). But close enough :^). From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 18 06:56:25 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:56:25 GMT Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:56:37 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: [uncut magnu disc...] > Blimey - I've got a Hawkwind item you don't have! > Mmmmmmmmm purchasing power....... I didn't know you had that. Wheere did yu find one? FoFP From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Wed Feb 18 14:02:31 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (pauleatonjones) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:31 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello people. In reply to who's voice we hear in the background of the Trucker's version of Silver Machine, I was told at the time that it was Dikmik. I'm also sure that it's his voice we hear right at the end of the 'tidied up' version. Y'know someone screaming, " Silver Machine, Silver Machine". On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 11:28 pm, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Dave Law wrote: > >> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000, eddie jobson >> >> wrote: > > > >>> Incidentally on the original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, >>> Calvert does the main vocals, but someone is singing in the >>> background >>> (which sounds like different words), any idea who and what is being >>> sung? >> >> with regards to backing vocals on silver machine, i have in fromt of >> me a >> Trev Hughes "Hawkfrendz" newsletter from January 91 (no not april!) >> and in >> it is an open letter from a Lori Pompan who at the time was manager of >> former Pink Fairy Twink, according to this and i quote - >> "did you know that Twink was on Silver Machine on backing vocals" >> ones to assume this to be genuine, so could this solve the mystery? > > I'm not sure about that. Let's remember that this is Twink, who > claims to have been a member of Hawkwind and Syd Barrett's bands on the > strength of two and three partial gigs respectively, and who alters > writing credits in his name almost as freely as, well, Dave Brock or > Nik > Turner. I wouldn't trust him or his manager to be right about this. > > Furthermore however, this `Silver Machine' is originally from > the > 1971 Greasy Truckers' Party, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if > that's right there's a hint of a different answer in that. The `Master > of > the Universe' from that recording, on the _Space Ritual_ remaster > should > you want to check, has also got extra vocals that evening, mostly > echoing > Nik's lines in the next phrase. And they sound to me as if they're in a > Welsh accent. Whatever else Twink may have claimed to be, he's not > Welsh; I think Dik Mik had a mike that night (and he was by Doug > Smith's own account, webbed somewhere I think, along with Lemmy > sufficiently wrecked as to be unable to move, not very long before the > performance). I think his is probably the extra voice on `Silver > Machine' too. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Anubian Lights - _Eternal Sky_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 18 18:32:01 2004 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:32:01 -0000 Subject: HW: site for collectors Message-ID: ah - funny you should ask - I was in a wheatfield somewhere - it was kinda late at night and the moon was a gleaming orb in a dark night sky while the Milky Way cut a clearly visible thin haze across the heavens. I stood and stared upwards and while I was gazing at it there was a rustling sound behind me - almost like feathers followed by a sudden burst of light so brilliant I could see my shadow stretching across the field like a thin black line. So I shielded my eyes and turned round but the light was so bright I had to shut them. Then suddenly the light was gone - as if a switch had been turned off and there was only darkness and the sound of the wind gently caressing the wheat. But in front of me was a pale glowing circle - about 12 inches in diameter - and the object that occupied that circle was - the uncut disc with the motorbike. But I could have been imagining all that I guess and probably just found it in a record sale. Sadly it has a stress fracture across the hole so I daren't play it. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: HW: site for collectors > Jill Strobridge writes: > > [uncut magnu disc...] > > > Blimey - I've got a Hawkwind item you don't have! > > Mmmmmmmmm purchasing power....... > > I didn't know you had that. Wheere did yu find one? > > FoFP From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 18 19:23:20 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:23:20 -0500 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:31 +0000, pauleatonjones wrote: >Hello people. In reply to who's voice we hear in the background of the >Trucker's version of Silver Machine, I was told at the time that it was >Dikmik. I'm also sure that it's his voice we hear right at the end of >the 'tidied up' version. Y'know someone screaming, " Silver Machine, >Silver Machine". This has come up here before- I always thought it was Dave Brock's voice at the end of the hit single version. Somewhere on the web there was an interview with Nik Turner and Simon House from about '99 (when Nik was briefly back in the live line-up) where the DJ interviewing them played Silver Machine and specifically asked "who's that doing the high-pitched backing vocals at the end?"- Nik immediately replying "Dave Brock". Of course, Nik's take on Hawkwind history is known to be a little idiosyncratic (shall we say) at times :-) Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 18 23:12:53 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 04:12:53 GMT Subject: HW: site for collectors In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:32:01 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > ah - funny you should ask - I was in a wheatfield somewhere - it was > kinda late at night and the moon was a gleaming orb in a dark night sky > while the Milky Way cut a clearly visible thin haze across the heavens. > I stood and stared upwards and while I was gazing at it there was a > rustling sound behind me - almost like feathers followed by a sudden > burst of light so brilliant I could see my shadow stretching across the > field like a thin black line. So I shielded my eyes and turned round > but the light was so bright I had to shut them. Then suddenly the light > was gone - as if a switch had been turned off and there was only > darkness and the sound of the wind gently caressing the wheat. But in > front of me was a pale glowing circle - about 12 inches in diameter - > and the object that occupied that circle was - the uncut disc with the > motorbike. > > But I could have been imagining all that I guess and probably just found > it in a record sale. Sadly it has a stress fracture across the hole so I > daren't play it. I can only dream of a stress fracture across the hole. FoFP From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Wed Feb 18 11:58:32 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:58:32 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND 1997 Message-ID: Hello Alfred, Maybe you could try the adress were to get the passport. It was the same adress for the cd at the time. Can make you a copy,if you want greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "alfred" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: HAWKWIND 1997 > Hello ! > > Is there anyone on this list with a spare copy of the Hawkwind 1997 CD > (HAWKVP999) which was available via the Fan Club and wants to sell it ? > I'll pay a fair price for it. Please E-Mail me offlist > ( alfred.koessl at netway.at ) > > All the best and a happy new year > Alfred > > From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Feb 19 05:35:43 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:35:43 +0100 Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) Message-ID: I'm _pretty_ sure it's Nik Turner's vocals that can be heared - i definately sounds like him to my ears. Apart from that, they both sound 'stoned out of this world'. Pretty amazing they managed to overdub and clean it up for single release .... or is there more to the story ...? Are we talking "Greasy Trucker's..." or "Glastonbury Fayre"? ....I got both LPs, and the Silver Machine track is on the latter... Same concert, though. Ketil Svendsen, Norway On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:31 +0000, pauleatonjones wrote: >Hello people. In reply to who's voice we hear in the background of the >Trucker's version of Silver Machine, I was told at the time that it was >Dikmik. I'm also sure that it's his voice we hear right at the end of >the 'tidied up' version. Y'know someone screaming, " Silver Machine, >Silver Machine". This has come up here before- I always thought it was Dave Brock's voice at the end of the hit single version. Somewhere on the web there was an interview with Nik Turner and Simon House from about '99 (when Nik was briefly back in the live line-up) where the DJ interviewing them played Silver Machine and specifically asked "who's that doing the high-pitched backing vocals at the end?"- Nik immediately replying "Dave Brock". Of course, Nik's take on Hawkwind history is known to be a little idiosyncratic (shall we say) at times :-) Nick From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Wed Feb 18 21:33:24 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 03:33:24 +0100 Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) Message-ID: The "Silver Machine"-track on "Glastonbury"(you're right it's from the same concert) is Robert Calvert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) > I'm _pretty_ sure it's Nik Turner's vocals that can be heared - i definately > sounds like him to my ears. Apart from that, they both sound 'stoned out of > this world'. > Pretty amazing they managed to overdub and clean it up for single release .... > or is there more to the story ...? > Are we talking "Greasy Trucker's..." or "Glastonbury Fayre"? ....I got both > LPs, and the Silver Machine track is on the latter... Same concert, though. > > Ketil Svendsen, > Norway > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:31 +0000, pauleatonjones > wrote: > > >Hello people. In reply to who's voice we hear in the background of the > >Trucker's version of Silver Machine, I was told at the time that it was > >Dikmik. I'm also sure that it's his voice we hear right at the end of > >the 'tidied up' version. Y'know someone screaming, " Silver Machine, > >Silver Machine". > > This has come up here before- I always thought it was Dave Brock's voice at > the end of the hit single version. Somewhere on the web there was an > interview with Nik Turner and Simon House from about '99 (when Nik was > briefly back in the live line-up) where the DJ interviewing them played > Silver Machine and specifically asked "who's that doing the high-pitched > backing vocals at the end?"- Nik immediately replying "Dave Brock". Of > course, Nik's take on Hawkwind history is known to be a little > idiosyncratic (shall we say) at times :-) > > Nick > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Feb 19 14:59:09 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:59:09 -0000 Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) Message-ID: With multitrack recordings it is very easy; you just leave out the tracks that you do not want and can record new tracks as you want them. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) > I'm _pretty_ sure it's Nik Turner's vocals that can be heared - i definately > sounds like him to my ears. Apart from that, they both sound 'stoned out of > this world'. > Pretty amazing they managed to overdub and clean it up for single release .... > or is there more to the story ...? > Are we talking "Greasy Trucker's..." or "Glastonbury Fayre"? ....I got both > LPs, and the Silver Machine track is on the latter... Same concert, though. > > Ketil Svendsen, > Norway > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:02:31 +0000, pauleatonjones > wrote: > > >Hello people. In reply to who's voice we hear in the background of the > >Trucker's version of Silver Machine, I was told at the time that it was > >Dikmik. I'm also sure that it's his voice we hear right at the end of > >the 'tidied up' version. Y'know someone screaming, " Silver Machine, > >Silver Machine". > > This has come up here before- I always thought it was Dave Brock's voice at > the end of the hit single version. Somewhere on the web there was an > interview with Nik Turner and Simon House from about '99 (when Nik was > briefly back in the live line-up) where the DJ interviewing them played > Silver Machine and specifically asked "who's that doing the high-pitched > backing vocals at the end?"- Nik immediately replying "Dave Brock". Of > course, Nik's take on Hawkwind history is known to be a little > idiosyncratic (shall we say) at times :-) > > Nick From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Feb 20 05:10:48 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:10:48 +0100 Subject: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) Message-ID: I was more thinking of the, uhm, let's say 'bi vocals' to Calvert's. The main vocals are undoubtly Calvert's, but to my ears the back(ground) vox sounds like mr Turner's ravings ;-) I think the question has been posted before; but has anybody heared rumours of a release of the complete 'roundhouse' concert ...? And what happens to the hw's 'collector's club' ...? :}) Ketil Subject: Re: HW Greasy Truckers and Silver Machine (was HW:Acid Daze volume 1) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 03:33:24 +0100 From: Filip Vanhuyse The "Silver Machine"-track on "Glastonbury"(you're right it's from the same concert) is Robert Calvert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" > I'm _pretty_ sure it's Nik Turner's vocals that can be heared - i definately > sounds like him to my ears. Apart from that, they both sound 'stoned out of > this world'. From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Feb 20 07:47:08 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:47:08 -0500 Subject: Capt lockheed flies again Message-ID: In this months Classic Rock there is a full page dedicated to the Capt Lockheed album in their Every Home Should Have One series. Nice to see good old Robert getting the praise he deserves. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 20 09:13:16 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:13:16 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: Monster Magnet/Right Stuff Message-ID: Hey Folks... Well, I picked up the ltd. ed. version of "Monolithic Baby" (with bonus DVD) last weekend, even before the scheduled release date (which was odd). Anyway, I haven't gotten around to posting anything about it yet...so here goes... I've only managed two complete airings so far....but I think it's a pretty good album. It's clear that Dave Wyndorf will sing any tune with the word "Baby." So I guess that's why he chose "The Right Stuff (Baby)" to cover. So, I think it's a pretty good version...*definitely* true to the blanga spirit...with headphones on (esp.), one can really appreciate the Lemmy-esque meandering-yet-rhythmic style of playing by bassist Jim Baglino (who's pretty new to the band, right?). So, the bonus DVD includes the two music videos, one for what appears to be the intended hit single "Unbroken" (subtitled "Hotel Baby"...again with the "Baby"!). Uh, I doubt anyone in the states is gonna see this one on MTV...that is, unless Viacom is planning to keep nudity, blatant sexual imagery, and lesbian kissing part of their on-air repertoire (following the Super Bowl). Perhaps they have a PG rated version as well? If so, it would have to be 60% replaced footage. The Right Stuff video is, on the other hand, entirely clean, and mainly just Dave flying a futuristic warplane through a animated wormhole and such. After awhile, it gets a little redundant. On the website (just now refurbished, so check it out), it mentions that the video is an extended version (roughly 90 seconds longer than on the album), but I'm surprised at that, 'cause I thought it seemed about the same length (I was trying to pay attention to that aspect too...hmmm). I'll have to check it again this weekend. The two live tracks from the Astoria are "Radiation Day" and "Monolithic" so they were obviously performed in concert before the album was recorded. It warns that they are 'bootleg' videos, but really they are reasonably professional-looking multi-camera edited works. The sound is a little 'dampy' and 'muffly' but having just seen/heard Hawkwind there, I think that's the fault of the theatre more than the recording quality. Everything's a bit 'red' too, but maybe that was just the lighting guys. And the interview bit is 17 minutes long, and snippets of one longer session (that they had room for on the DVD for sure, but chose only these spliced bits for some reason) that featured Dave (90% of the time) and short bits with Ed (and another guy, Phil maybe?). Dave does speak for a half-minute or so about the Right Stuff cover and the story of Cap'n Lockheed, so that was cool. So, ok, I dunno if this special version is going to be available in the US, or what. Here, it's on SPV, a German label, but perhaps they're worldwide also? I know they've moved off of 'major label' status everywhere...I saw an online interview with Dave talking about what a relief it was. Though I always think of Spinal Tap and the suggestion that playing in smaller theaters was just an indication of having a 'more select audience' rather than waning popularity. :) But I'll give Dave the benefit of the doubt here...I mean the way the music industry is today; I think I heard that we may be down to just *three* so-called major labels soon (depending on Bertlesmann & Sony?). So the 'future' in 'non-online' music IMHO must lie in niche indie labels I think, if it in fact exists at all. The 'big' business will soon convert, yet again, to non-brick&mortar commerce (sadly). As Mike was just indicating (though I didn't read much of that article to be honest, 'cause I'm not into it personally). Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I also don't know if the DVD is PAL-only, region-coded, or what. (I'll try to check that, too, this weekend.) But if it's not to be made available in the US, and somebody really wants one (that they are sure they can play), let me know. P.P.S. For cowbell fans, "Supercruel" features some of my favorite yet. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 20 09:40:15 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:40:15 +0000 Subject: Astoria night, PT, Lem, more... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: > So, looking forward to this 'holiday' vacation. It comes at the end > of a great run for concerts here in the central Europe area. Two weeks > ago, I caught Porcupine Tree in Olten, which I refer to as the Breezewood > of Switzerland, which probably won't be understood to more than one or > two listmembers, but hey. Its train station is three times as large > as it should be based on the city's population, but it lies precisely > in the middle of a rectangle with Basel, Bern, Luzern, and Zuerich at the > four corners. Anyway, it was a good show...not quite as hot as the show > in Zuerich four or five months ago, but that one was sizzling (in more > ways than one). The Olten show featured unusual tracks like Moon Touches > Your Shoulder and Fadeaway, though the latter was rather disappointing > as Wesley sang it in some falsetto voice that was really quite dreadful. > And they wasted a lot of time on this boring Russia on Ice 'prog-opus' > thing from Lightbulb Sun. Actually, I'm happy that they focus mainly > on stuff from the new album, as it's really quite good in its own way. I really like `Russia on Ice', I must admit but I haven't seen they've since before it had come out and this may be why; it was by a long way the most spell-binding thing they played that night. It's almost the only time on either _Stupid Dream_ or _Lightbulb Sun_ where Steven manages to sing about being upset without descending into really maudlin sentiment because it's so allusive and flip-uncaring. But then I seem to remember we disagree fundamentally about the merits of _Lightbulb Sun_ anyway... From what reviews I've seen, anyway, two songs from the Delerium era is double what they're normally doing these days. I guess Wes must just really like `Fadeaway'. It's a pity, because there's plenty of stuff in that clutch of albums which would stand the new band's treatment. And I still want to see them do `Burning Sky' dammit. > They're really not much of a psychedelic band anymore (which is a little > sad, though I feel less discouraged as now they seem to be a pretty > decent 'prog-metallish' band without the predictability of 'prog-metal' > such as Dream Theater and their ilk...which is in fact what Russia on > Ice sounds like), so perhaps there's a good reason why they should > jettison the 'classic' material (that most of the new fans don't even > really know). Sadly, they didn't play Tinto Brass this time, but still > amazing things like Creater had a Mastertape were enough to give this > show high marks. I think both of those in one set would start to show how much material PT really have... Much like `Piano Lessons' and `How Is Your LIfe Today?', `Baby Dream in Cellophane' and `Prodigal'... I could go on but I won't. I should see them again, for all that. It sounds as if rather than being as disappointed as I was the last few times, I might be surprised instead. They won't do what I used to go and see them for, though, this is the trouble. I can't get that anywhere any more. > Last night was Motorhead in Zuerich...different club, but very nearly > the same size, strangely enough on *their* very last show of a long world > tour. I had seen them way back at the outset of Phase 1, in a club in > Basel. > Then they'd at least done a few songs from the new album, but last night > it was all 'oldies.' Actually a really well-diversified selection of tunes > covering about every phase of the band's existence...with the continued > exception of Robbo stuff. I don't know why, but Lem seems completely > averse to playing *anything* from Another Perfect Day live. I've seen them > on just about every tour starting with Orgasmatron, and never have I heard > a single track from that album. I wonder if it's actually that Phil doesn't like the stuff; he'd be the one who'd have to learn a very different guitarist's parts. > But last night, they ripped through the > usual standards, including much of the No Sleep till Hammersmith set (where > Metropolis is always a highlight for me). But also Shoot you in the back, > Iron Fist, Damage Case, Love Me Like a Reptile (the coolest choice...first > time I can remember this one resurrected!). And then from the post-Eddie > days, Civil War, Over the top (another surprise choice), Dr. Rock (another > highlight), Sacrifice, Going to Brazil, Ramones, We Are Motorhead, and > God Save the Queen. The crowd was more than packed, we were pretty > 'friendly.' Which is ok by me, except that for some reason, half the > idiots feel like it's their god-given right to leave the floor in the > middle of the show, go take a piss, grab another beer at the counter, > and then fight their way back through the throngs of people to where > their buddies were still holding fort. That would still be ok, if they > weren't so damn obnoxious about it, coming at you from behind completely > unawares by slamming their fat sweaty bodies into your backside and elbowing > you in the face without so much as a kind tap or nod of appreciation for > you not thrusting their beer up into their nose and kneeing them > simultaneously in the crotch. Still, not even that and the horrid pall > of cigarette stench, sticky floor, and still-ringing ears could persuade > me that this wasn't another worthwhile show. Despite Lem's best efforts, > he still seems more than capable of performing just the same as 15 years > ago. Well, with a voice like that, how could you ruin it so easily? :) > Encore was Ace of Spades and extended Overkill, but then you already knew > that, didn't you? Opening act was some band from Berlin, with a crazy- > haired female singer, that sounded much like AC/DC in every way. I > guess one of their tunes was actually written for them by Lemmy himself, > and I think it was one of the better ones. At a guess, that would be Doro? Lemmy was on a couple of tracks on her solo album in 1996 or thereabouts, of which was a cover of `Love Me Forever' from _1916_. The other was called `Alone Alone' or something like that, so if you saw that, that's probably who it was :-) > So, tomorrow I head for Stuttgart to see Korai ?r?m, and that should be > really cool. Next week is On Trial in Winterthur (not so far from > Zuerich), and then Quimby on Sat., HW on Sunday. Oh, yeah, more good > shows coming next year already. Including Fish in late March, Monster > Magnet (nothing on their website, but it's going on sale here already) > in early April, and the old German band Jane the next night. And > Guru Guru plays again in der Schweiz in late April. I dunno...I don't > see how I could ever move back to the states again, but as my job will > (almost) certainly end next year December, I'm not sure how I'll be > able to remain in Switzerland. Why didn't we get a review of On Trial, then, eh? :-) > P.S. On BBC TV, all I seem to see are silly shows about crack home- > improvement 'teams' that makeover your house with wonderful results. > Why is it then that England looks more run down and dumpy every time > I visit? No offens(c)e intended, just an observation. :) More and more people priced out of the buyer's market, thus forced to rent and unable to carry out such makeovers because of their tenancy agreements? That's my theory until proven otherwise :-) Yours, Jon (oh god-- economics!) ObCD: Hangnail - _Ten Days Before Summer_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Fri Feb 20 09:54:16 2004 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:54:16 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Monster Magnet/Right Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not a shameless plug because I work for the BBC and have been running around the UK switching on more DAB digital radio transmitters, but Dave Wyndorf of MM will be on the Rock Show on BBC 6 Music this Saturday night. I'm not sure if it's live or recorded, but email the show or something: Maybe we can get some HW played! I wouldn't mind hearing MM's cover of the Right Stuff too! Cheers, Andy From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 20 10:17:23 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:17:23 +0100 Subject: Astoria night, PT, Lem, more... Message-ID: Jon J sayz... >I should see them again, for all that. It sounds as if rather >than being as disappointed as I was the last few times, I might be >surprised instead. They won't do what I used to go and see them for, >though, this is the trouble. I can't get that anywhere any more. Ah, maybe a PT-tribute band will start up, once they hit it big. :) > with the continued > exception of Robbo stuff. I don't know why, but Lem seems completely > averse to playing *anything* from Another Perfect Day live. I've seen them > on just about every tour starting with Orgasmatron, and never have I heard > a single track from that album. >I wonder if it's actually that Phil doesn't like the stuff; he'd >be the one who'd have to learn a very different guitarist's parts. Yeah, that's a good point, actually, that I hadn't even considered. I think about Motorhead as being Lemmy + whoever, such that Lemmy could decide to play whatever he wanted to, and the rest just have to put up with it. But Phil's been there for nearly 20 years now...hard not to accept his opinion if/when he would say, 'Nah, that's just not my style.' Still, they should try it, just for my sake. :) >> Opening act was some band from Berlin, with a crazy- >> haired female singer, that sounded much like AC/DC in every way. I >> guess one of their tunes was actually written for them by Lemmy himself, >> and I think it was one of the better ones. >At a guess, that would be Doro? Nope, I've 'remembered' since (by seeing their CD in the stacks the other day, when picking up that Monster Magnet), that the band was called Skew Siskin. I thought originally that that must have been *her* (stage) name, but nope, it's something else entirely. *That* I've forgotten for good (though I'm sure if I really wanted to know, I could look it up online in 10 seconds). Doro (Pesch?) is still around these parts...I'm sure I've seen her name listed on concert schedules...I think she opened for Saxon even. >Why didn't we get a review of On Trial, then, eh? :-) Sorry, here it is...didn't post it to boc-l directly this time. http://aural-innovations.com/2004/january/ontrial7.html Grakkl (FAA) From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Feb 20 15:26:47 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] Exclusive new pictures of Alan davey Message-ID: whilst i try not to use the lists purely for publicizing the Hawkwind Museum i do like to alert folks to items of particular interest and so would like to invite you to have a look at the following page of exclusive pictures of Alan Davey pre Hawkwind (please note this is genuine and not one of my feeble attempts at humor!), click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/youngala.htm any feedback greatly appreciated regards Dave From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Feb 20 20:37:41 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 01:37:41 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] Exclusive new pictures of Alan davey Message-ID: ACE! It's a shame you couldn't find an "Alan sees Lemmy and decides that singing with a mic stand eight inches too high for him looks really, really cool" photo... :-) (Did anyone else ever have a copy of the Games Workshop game "DungeonQuest" where you got a figure of a dwarf warrior that looked just like Alan in classic Lemmy pose?) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] Exclusive new pictures of Alan davey > whilst i try not to use the lists purely for publicizing the Hawkwind > Museum i do like to alert folks to items of particular interest and so > would like to invite you to have a look at the following page of exclusive > pictures of Alan Davey pre Hawkwind (please note this is genuine and not > one of my feeble attempts at humor!), click on > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/youngala.htm > any feedback greatly appreciated > regards > Dave > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Feb 20 21:15:59 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:45:59 +1030 Subject: [Hawkwind] Exclusive new pictures of Alan davey Message-ID: Maybe its easier for him to play the bass and sing at the same time that way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Exclusive new pictures of Alan davey > ACE! It's a shame you couldn't find an "Alan sees Lemmy and decides that > singing with a mic stand eight inches too high for him looks really, really > cool" photo... :-) > > (Did anyone else ever have a copy of the Games Workshop game "DungeonQuest" > where you got a figure of a dwarf warrior that looked just like Alan in > classic Lemmy pose?) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Feb 21 12:24:51 2004 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:51 +0000 Subject: Monster Magnet - Wolverhampton Fri 20th Feb Message-ID: Caught the opening date on the European tour last night and so I thought I'd bore you all with some obervations. Disappointed to see MM booked into the smaller Wulfrun Hall rather than the main Civic Hall where I'd seen them last time with QOTSA. Audience spanned all ages, although the schoolage kids in Limp Bizkit tshirts didn't seem to be enjoying it quite as much as the high quotient of 30+ blokes wearing Motorhead or HW tshirts. I missed both support acts, The Quill & Gluecifer so can't comment there. MM came on approx 9:30 and played til the 11pm curfew. Although I can't remember the set list with complete accuracy it seemed to include something from each of the 6 albums. The ridiculously titled Negasonic Teenage Warhead was a highlight, as was the chunk of stuff from Powertrip, inc. the title track, Tractor ("I'm drivin' a tractor on a drug farm"?!), the opening Bummer and the inevitable singalong Space Lord Mother F**ker. Having only had Monolithic Baby for a few days I couldn't place all that they played from it, but On The Verge, Unbroken, Radiation Day and Monolithic were definitely played. Melt is all I can remember from God Says No. A treat for Hawkfans came during the middle of Dinosaur Vacume [sic]. Dave had previously brought a guitar on just to strum a bit before bashing it on the stage in a slightly choreagraphed manner I thought, so when he strapped one on again for this number I wasn't expecting anything much. In the mid-section he stepped back towards the drums and started to adopt a Brock-esque riffing pose and I thought "Wyndorf, you sooo want to be in Hawkwind don't you? Fair enough though, go on, play something like Brainstorm then". Well moments after thinking that, that's exactly what the band did, DV segued into the mid-section of Brainstorm, "what's he say, what's he say?" or whatever it is HW sing, then Dave stepped up to sing "Brain...Storm! Brain...Storm!" as the strobes kicked in. Quite impressive, although only for a couple of minutes before going back into DV. The encore was The Right Stuff, less of a surprise following reviews posted here and elsewhere of the Astoria gig last year coupled with its inclusion on the new CD, but a cracking version nevertheless, even if he does miss out "...and my eyes are eagle sharp". Two of the best numbers were probably from Spine of God, although I can't swear to it as it's the one MM LP I don't have. An epic in the middle of the set (including some comment about "you can't hide it under your Army Coat"?) seemed to get the more die-hard fans going, while the second encore number certainly included Spine of God in the lyrics, and was much more trippy and even kraut-rockish than the rest of the set. Good to see them returning to their roots like that for the end of the gig. If anybody could confirm what these numbers were I'd be grateful, although SoG is definitely on the shopping list now regardless. Visuals included the obligatory bubbling liquid psychedelics, horror movie footage, screensaver-style space-scapes and marvel comic characters, although none of the simpler yet more effective black n white shapes and swirls of some recent HW lightshows ;-) I was relieved to see that the band themselves haven't transferred their occasionaly Spinal Tap-esque album photo look to their stage act, they're still very much a jeans-and-tshirts bunch. However, two platforms were specially built at the front of the stage to allow them all to jump up and pose a bit, although only Dave does it at all convincingly. He's very into it, a born frontman, regaling the crowd with his, er, messages like "Rock Is Alive!" etc, but the others aren't necessarily classic crowd pleasers. Ed Mundell for example is just an effortlessly superb guitarist who looks a bit sheepish posing on a box. Good gig. I'd recommend them to any HW or BOC fans who get the chance to see them. Like anybody here needs telling anyway. I'll certainly be trying to fit in that Shepherds Bush date in April. AL ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Feb 21 14:28:07 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:28:07 -0500 Subject: Monster Magnet - Wolverhampton Fri 20th Feb In-Reply-To: <20040221172451.37654.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 05:24:51PM +0000, Alan Linsley wrote: => Two of the best numbers were probably from Spine of God, although I => can't swear to it as it's the one MM LP I don't have. An epic in the => middle of the set (including some comment about "you can't hide it => under your Army Coat"?) seemed to get the more die-hard fans going, This sounds like "Zodiac Lung" from _Spine of God_. => while the second encore number certainly included Spine of God in the => lyrics, and was much more trippy and even kraut-rockish than the rest The title track "Spine of God" includes the lyric "you don't yank on the spine of God." => of the set. Good to see them returning to their roots like that for => the end of the gig. If anybody could confirm what these numbers were => I'd be grateful, although SoG is definitely on the shopping list now => regardless. The omission of _Spine of God_ from anyone's Monster Magnet collection is, IMHO, a hanging offence. ;-) => I was relieved to see that the band themselves haven't transferred => their occasionaly Spinal Tap-esque album photo look to their stage act, => they're still very much a jeans-and-tshirts bunch. However, two => platforms were specially built at the front of the stage to allow them => all to jump up and pose a bit, although only Dave does it at all => convincingly. He's very into it, a born frontman, regaling the crowd => with his, er, messages like "Rock Is Alive!" etc, but the others aren't => necessarily classic crowd pleasers. Ed Mundell for example is just an => effortlessly superb guitarist who looks a bit sheepish posing on a box. Wot, you mean Ed has stopped wearing those leather trousers? :-) I remember most of Ed's embarrassment when I saw them in Roanoke stemmed from the two ebullient ladies in the front who kept grabbing for his crotch. After a while it looked like he was kind of scared to go to the front to do his 70s wah-wah guitar hero pose. :-) I met Ed in the car park after the show, on my way back to my car. He seemed a really nice bloke. He complimented me on my Hawkwind _Doremi..._ t-shirt, and I thanked him for having the band play "Time We Left^W^W^WBummer" during the show... => Good gig. I'd recommend them to any HW or BOC fans who get the chance => to see them. Like anybody here needs telling anyway. I'll certainly => be trying to fit in that Shepherds Bush date in April. They put on a great show, and I would recommend folks go see them. I don't know how they stand up to repeated attendances on the same tour, as I hear a lot of Dave's "spontaneous stage antics" are quite scripted and I don't know if they mix up the setlist very much at different gigs. Does he still set that old guitar on fire, for example, or did they put the kibosh on that after The Station fire? (When they did it in Roanoke I couldn't help thinking "my, that ceiling is rather low and those flames are rather high." I was in the front row and could feel the heat easily.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Feb 22 12:17:46 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:17:46 -0500 Subject: Gunslinger track added to Hawkwind Museum Message-ID: in addition to the pictures i recently posted of a young Alan Davey in his pre Hawkwind days I've just posted a track from his band Gunslinger to the site, to hear it click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/youngala.htm and follow the link enjoy! cheers Dave From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Feb 22 16:17:12 2004 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:17:12 -0500 Subject: HW: New Tour Date Announced Message-ID: ++ + + STAR WARRIORS + + + + NEW HAWKWIND GIG ANNOUNCED 10th-12th June Sweden Rock Festival Solvesborg (near Malmo) Sweden URL: http://www.ticketline.co.uk/event_details.asp?CPFlag=0&EventId=24683 Lineup for the weekend to also include: (subject to change) JUDAS PRIEST(UK), UFO(UK), SCORPIONS (Germany), Nightwish(Finland), Children of Bodom(Fin), April Wine(Canada), Exodus(USA), Slade(UK), Magic Slim & the Teardrops(USA), Kingdome Come(Denmark), Entombed(Sweden), Opeth(Sw), Wasa Express(Sw), Abramis Brama(Sw), Heart (Can), Dr Feelgood (UK), Carnal Forge (Sw), U.D.O(D), Helloween (D), Testament (US), In Flames (S), Astral Doors(S), Grand Magus (S), Sun Caged (Netherlands), Pat Travers Band (Can), Europe (Sw), Udo (Germany), Monster Magnet (US), Skid Row (US), Foghat (UK), Axel Rudi Pell (Ger), Coney Hatch (Can) Visit the Sweden Rock website for directions and further details about Scandinavia's biggest festival: http://www.swedenrock.com FULL OFFICIAL HAWKWIND TOUR DETAILS ARE ALWAYS ON MISSION CONTROL AS SOON AS THEY ARE RELEASED !! www.hawkwind.com + ++ + + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + ++ + + From youless at COX.NET Sun Feb 22 20:06:59 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:06:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Out Of The Shadows Message-ID: Hi A sneak preview of the cover and tracklist for the new Hawkwid DVD 'Out Of The Shadows' (Newcastle 2002) is at Starfarer's Hawkwind Page, thanks to the good offices of CD Services and Secret Records. 1. Go to http://www.starfarer.net 2. Click on the 'What's New' link in red at the top of the index page 3. Click on the 'Out Of The Shadows' link listed under 22/02/04 Apologies to those on both HW lists who are going to see this message twice... Cheers Steve From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 12:45:31 2004 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:45:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted Message-ID: Hi all Apologies if you've seen this plea on the Yahoo newsgroup. I'm #4 (out of 620) in the Soundclick "Instrumental Chart" with "Byrneblanga" and #8 (out of 270) in the "New Age" chart with "Knowing Another World". If you would be kind enough to go to: http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=121360&content=music And select hi fi, lo fi or mp3 on these two tracks you may put me up to #1 and make an old spaceprogceltrocker very happy. Regards Tom _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 13:49:40 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:49:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well you got two votes from me :-) Given that I've done my bit can I now do my critic impression, something for which I'm ideally suited as I've never composed a note :-) Your pieces are pleasant, but that's all. They don't seem to have anything to say so there's nothing to grab your attention. The great thing about pre 1980 Hawkwind is that it really grabs you. There's always a message to the song (even if it's just that composing whilst smoking recreational drugs isn't a great idea :-). OK your pieces are instrumental and it's a lot harder to have a message without lyrics, but even the Hawkwind instrumentals still have a definite progression to them. They go somewhere, they don't just start, run on for a bit then end. Part of this is that Hawkwind, like countless bands before and after, use the good old sonata form: 1. statement: state your themes 2. development: develop the themes and mix them up a bit 3. recapitulation: restate the original themes OK it's cliched, Beethoven did it, but it gives a track structure and this makes the track a lot better to listen to. Great composers bend the rules with the sonata form, Beethoven did, and while Hawkwind aren't that great they bend the rules too and mostly make their tracks even better as a result. While I'm on a rant, I think the reason Hawkwind aren't quite the band they were (is it too contentious to say that) is that Dave Brock got into dance/trance, which doesn't really have a structure, and no-one else took up the torch. Church of Hawkwind is OK, actually I quite like it as background music, but nothing in it grabs you like Doremi Fasiol Latido or In Search of Space, or indeed Quark or PXR5. No-one wants the band to just carry on doing the same thing forever, and indeed a good example of a change was when they switched to Charisma and Calvert became a dominant force. They certainly changed since, but they don't seem to have the sme focus that they used to. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Tom Byrne Sent: 23 February 2004 17:46 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Help Wanted Hi all Apologies if you've seen this plea on the Yahoo newsgroup. I'm #4 (out of 620) in the Soundclick "Instrumental Chart" with "Byrneblanga" and #8 (out of 270) in the "New Age" chart with "Knowing Another World". If you would be kind enough to go to: http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=121360&content=music And select hi fi, lo fi or mp3 on these two tracks you may put me up to #1 and make an old spaceprogceltrocker very happy. Regards Tom _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Feb 23 17:21:13 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:21:13 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?HW=2FOFF:_Mot=F6rhead_reviewed_by_an_opera_critic?= Message-ID: Mot?rhead played last night at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden(!) The gig was reviewed in today's (Feb. 23, 2004) Times, by their opera critic, Robert Thicknesse. It's a piss-take, of course, but an amusing one. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 18:42:57 2004 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:42:57 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Thanks for the votes, much appreciated :) I take issue with your musical analysis, however (As you might expect). First of all, sonata form is rather more than theme, mess about with theme and repeat theme. The exposition divides into a 'first group' in the tonic and, after transitional material, a 'second group' in another key (usually the dominant in major movements, the relative major in minor ones), often with a coda to round the section off. Both groups may include a number of different themes. The development usually develops material from the exposition in a variety of ways, moving through a number of keys. Compared with the exposition, this section is usually one of considerable tonal instability and of rhythmic and melodic tension. The recapitulation restates the themes of the exposition; however, the second group is now heard in the tonic (possibly tonic major if the movement is minor), and there may be temporary excursions to other keys. Your description as applied to any Hawkwind songs (perhaps "Damnation Alley" or "Levitation") is more appropriate to what I would understand as 'ternary form': The first and third parts are identical, or very nearly identical, while the second part is sharply contrasting. As for Hawkwind writing in Sonata form, I find it hard to find the evidence. Picking some tunes at random: "Spirit of the Age"? Two chords with multiple overlays and fx. "Assault and Battery"? Conistent repeated chord structure of type E - G -F# - A with improvisations overlaid. "Assassins of Allah"? Two separate fused sections. I would agree that "Brainstorm"'s theme is repeated at the end, but I don't think the rules of sonata form as stated above are followed. "Wind of Change" is a four chord figure repeated with improvised violin and synths. As for my pieces, they're not all instrumental - there are two songs (with lyrics) on soundclick, "The Buddha in the Internet" and "Three Minutes". The former is self-consciously influenced by the Brock school of composition, most notably "On the Case" or "Spirit of the Age". The latter follows a simple verse / chorus structure, but I use a fugue form for the synth instrumental. As for the instrumental pieces, they do actually follow a form, if not a strict Sonata form. Phive starts by exposing a theme on a diatonic scale of C and, develops it over a chromatic scale of C and F and then recapitulates the theme. Byrneblanga exposes the theme in F, develops it in D minor and Bb and then restates it in F. This piece is actually an extract from a single composition in two parts "The Eye of the Cyclone" which was an exercise I set myself in developing four intertwining themes over several keys for 50 minutes, while hopefully retaining the listener's interest. "A Short Life" is classical A-A-B-A ternary form. "Knowing Another World" is an extended reel combined with a four part canon. Of course the beauty is in the ear of the listener. It either grabs you or it doesn't. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring. What attracted me to Hawkwind originally, rather than form in their music was, to use the old SF phrase, that 'sense of wonder' they provoked in pieces like D-Rider, The Golden Void, Demented Man and others. Couple this emotional force with Calvert's lyrics in the Charisma albums - High Rise, Robot, Micro Man and bingo! I also like the Doremi - PXR5 period the best; however some of the live arrangements the band has turned out recently on Canterbury 2001 and Yule Ritual are as good as any of the live stuff I can remember (and I first saw them in 1976). Furthermore I thought they were astonishingly good at Hawkfest 2003, a powerful and consistent performance. I know others like Kevin Perry don't share this view - it just goes to show how subjective the appreciation of music is. I appreciate the votes and the feedback and shall certainly take your impressions on board for the future. Best regards Tom >Well you got two votes from me :-) >Given that I've done my bit can I now do my critic impression, something >for >which I'm ideally suited as I've never composed a note :-) >Your pieces are pleasant, but that's all. They don't seem to have anything >to say so there's nothing to grab your attention. >The great thing about pre 1980 Hawkwind is that it really grabs you. >There's >always a message to the song (even if it's just that composing whilst >smoking recreational drugs isn't a great idea :-). OK your pieces are >instrumental and it's a lot harder to have a message without lyrics, but >even the Hawkwind instrumentals still have a definite progression to them. >They go somewhere, they don't just start, run on for a bit then end. >Part of this is that Hawkwind, like countless bands before and after, use >the good old sonata form: >2. development: develop the themes and mix them up a bit >3. recapitulation: restate the original themes >OK it's cliched, Beethoven did it, but it gives a track structure and this >makes the track a lot better to listen to. Great composers bend the rules >with the sonata form, Beethoven did, and while Hawkwind aren't that great >they bend the rules too and mostly make their tracks even better as a >result. >While I'm on a rant, I think the reason Hawkwind aren't quite the band they >were (is it too contentious to say that) is that Dave Brock got into >dance/trance, which doesn't really have a structure, and no-one else took >up >the torch. Church of Hawkwind is OK, actually I quite like it as background >music, but nothing in it grabs you like Doremi Fasiol Latido or In Search >of >Space, or indeed Quark or PXR5. >No-one wants the band to just carry on doing the same thing forever, and >indeed a good example of a change was when they switched to Charisma and >Calvert became a dominant force. They certainly changed since, but they >don't seem to have the sme focus that they used to. >JR _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 18:46:04 2004 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:46:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted Message-ID: (Sorry - sent also without header by mistake) Thanks for the votes, much appreciated :) I take issue with your musical analysis, however (As you might expect). First of all, sonata form is rather more than theme, mess about with theme and repeat theme. The exposition divides into a 'first group' in the tonic and, after transitional material, a 'second group' in another key (usually the dominant in major movements, the relative major in minor ones), often with a coda to round the section off. Both groups may include a number of different themes. The development usually develops material from the exposition in a variety of ways, moving through a number of keys. Compared with the exposition, this section is usually one of considerable tonal instability and of rhythmic and melodic tension. The recapitulation restates the themes of the exposition; however, the second group is now heard in the tonic (possibly tonic major if the movement is minor), and there may be temporary excursions to other keys. Your description as applied to any Hawkwind songs (perhaps "Damnation Alley" or "Levitation") is more appropriate to what I would understand as 'ternary form': The first and third parts are identical, or very nearly identical, while the second part is sharply contrasting. As for Hawkwind writing in Sonata form, I find it hard to find the evidence. Picking some tunes at random: "Spirit of the Age"? Two chords with multiple overlays and fx. "Assault and Battery"? Conistent repeated chord structure of type E - G -F# - A with improvisations overlaid. "Assassins of Allah"? Two separate fused sections. I would agree that "Brainstorm"'s theme is repeated at the end, but I don't think the rules of sonata form as stated above are followed. "Wind of Change" is a four chord figure repeated with improvised violin and synths. As for my pieces, they're not all instrumental - there are two songs (with lyrics) on soundclick, "The Buddha in the Internet" and "Three Minutes". The former is self-consciously influenced by the Brock school of composition, most notably "On the Case" or "Spirit of the Age". The latter follows a simple verse / chorus structure, but I use a fugue form for the synth instrumental. As for the instrumental pieces, they do actually follow a form, if not a strict Sonata form. Phive starts by exposing a theme on a diatonic scale of C and, develops it over a chromatic scale of C and F and then recapitulates the theme. Byrneblanga exposes the theme in F, develops it in D minor and Bb and then restates it in F. This piece is actually an extract from a single composition in two parts "The Eye of the Cyclone" which was an exercise I set myself in developing four intertwining themes over several keys for 50 minutes, while hopefully retaining the listener's interest. "A Short Life" is classical A-A-B-A ternary form. "Knowing Another World" is an extended reel combined with a four part canon. Of course the beauty is in the ear of the listener. It either grabs you or it doesn't. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring. What attracted me to Hawkwind originally, rather than form in their music was, to use the old SF phrase, that 'sense of wonder' they provoked in pieces like D-Rider, The Golden Void, Demented Man and others. Couple this emotional force with Calvert's lyrics in the Charisma albums - High Rise, Robot, Micro Man and bingo! I also like the Doremi - PXR5 period the best; however some of the live arrangements the band has turned out recently on Canterbury 2001 and Yule Ritual are as good as any of the live stuff I can remember (and I first saw them in 1976). Furthermore I thought they were astonishingly good at Hawkfest 2003, a powerful and consistent performance. I know others like Kevin Perry don't share this view - it just goes to show how subjective the appreciation of music is. I appreciate the votes and the feedback and shall certainly take your impressions on board for the future. Best regards Tom >Well you got two votes from me :-) >Given that I've done my bit can I now do my critic impression, something >for >which I'm ideally suited as I've never composed a note :-) >Your pieces are pleasant, but that's all. They don't seem to have anything >to say so there's nothing to grab your attention. >The great thing about pre 1980 Hawkwind is that it really grabs you. >There's >always a message to the song (even if it's just that composing whilst >smoking recreational drugs isn't a great idea :-). OK your pieces are >instrumental and it's a lot harder to have a message without lyrics, but >even the Hawkwind instrumentals still have a definite progression to them. >They go somewhere, they don't just start, run on for a bit then end. >Part of this is that Hawkwind, like countless bands before and after, use >the good old sonata form: >2. development: develop the themes and mix them up a bit >3. recapitulation: restate the original themes >OK it's cliched, Beethoven did it, but it gives a track structure and this >makes the track a lot better to listen to. Great composers bend the rules >with the sonata form, Beethoven did, and while Hawkwind aren't that great >they bend the rules too and mostly make their tracks even better as a >result. >While I'm on a rant, I think the reason Hawkwind aren't quite the band they >were (is it too contentious to say that) is that Dave Brock got into >dance/trance, which doesn't really have a structure, and no-one else took >up >the torch. Church of Hawkwind is OK, actually I quite like it as background >music, but nothing in it grabs you like Doremi Fasiol Latido or In Search >of >Space, or indeed Quark or PXR5. >No-one wants the band to just carry on doing the same thing forever, and >indeed a good example of a change was when they switched to Charisma and >Calvert became a dominant force. They certainly changed since, but they >don't seem to have the sme focus that they used to. >JR _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Feb 24 07:41:29 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:41:29 +0100 Subject: HW:ebay cdr Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how to complain for a cdr item on e-bay? They are offering that Inner City Unit/Robert Calvert cdrs on ebay.It's already ?29 ! greetings filip From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Feb 24 08:44:19 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:44:19 +0100 Subject: ebay cdr Message-ID: Filip... >Can anyone tell me how to complain for a cdr item on e-bay? >They are offering that Inner City Unit/Robert Calvert cdrs >on ebay.It's already ?29 ! Make sure first that it's actually a *pirated* CD-R. I say this, because I bought an 'official' CD-R of the first ICU album with bonus tracks. I say official, 'cause it was sold to me at "Nik's table" at the (sadly) final Strange Daze in Cleveland. If you post a link, maybe some/one of us could perhaps tell the difference? (Maybe it's Nik himself.) :) BTW, I don't know how to file a complaint, but I imagine that the answer could be easily found somewhere in a FAQ on Ebay's site without much effort (I say that based on the many reports of crazy things* being offered there...kidneys, fighter jets, 'pretend' girlfriends, Paris Hilton's phone number, etc.). Although maybe that's not the case...from experience, I know that software help pages are wonderful at answering every possible question you could pose *except* for the one you currently have. Anyway... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. On Monster Magnet DVD...no indication on the packaging about either PAL/NTSC issue *or* region encoding...I'll keep trying. Oh, and The Right Stuff video is indeed longer, by almost two minutes (of extra jamming), than the CD version. Lastly, if "Unbroken (Hotel Baby)" is to be a 'radio hit' (and it has the potential, if my ears are any judge), then "look" for a sanitized version with the 'f' word removed. Sigh. *ok, the last one I made up...the second-to-last-one *is* something I read about and *absolutely* have not bid on. :) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 24 09:14:09 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:14:09 -0500 Subject: HW:ebay cdr In-Reply-To: <002a01c3fad3$8687dc40$5ee6a451@pandora.be> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:41:29PM +0100, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: => Can anyone tell me how to complain for a cdr item on e-bay? => They are offering that Inner City Unit/Robert Calvert cdrs on ebay.It's already ?29 ! If it states it is a CD-R in the item description, then it is in clear violation of the eBay listing policies. You can write to the "safeharbor" e-mail address, or use their online complain form (buried somewhere in their site). Remember to mention specifically it violates their acceptable listing policy because it is a CD-R, otherwise you'll get back a form response saying the copyright holder/representative needs to complain and the auction will not be cancelled. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 24 09:35:10 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:35:10 -0500 Subject: ebay cdr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:44:19PM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: => Make sure first that it's actually a *pirated* CD-R. I say => this, because I bought an 'official' CD-R of the first ICU => album with bonus tracks. I say official, 'cause it was sold => to me at "Nik's table" at the (sadly) final Strange Daze in => Cleveland. It used to be that even official CD-Rs were explicitly against the acceptable listing policies. I think Mike of the One-Eyed Bishops might have said he couldn't sell his CD-R albums through eBay because of that. But, I just looked at the policy for recordable material and they are now allowed---so long as you make clear in the item listing that you are the copyright owner of the material: >>>>> Note: * A local band decides to release its latest album on CD-R. The band may list the album on eBay so long as it is clear from the listing that the band is the copyright owner. * A buyer purchases an album on eBay that was released by a local band on CD-R. The buyer may not list the album on eBay, even though the band released the album on CD-R, because it violates eBay's Recordable Media policy. <<<<< (The above is from http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/recordable.html) => BTW, I don't know how to file a complaint, but I imagine that => the answer could be easily found somewhere in a FAQ on Ebay's => site without much effort You can report items via the "Contact Us" section of the eBay site: http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_inline/index.html There is a category for "Report a listing policy violation or prohibited (banned) item" on the contact form. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 14:49:16 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:49:16 -0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >First of all, sonata form is rather more than theme, mess about with theme >and repeat theme. O level music was rather a lot of years ago now :-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Tom Byrne Sent: 23 February 2004 23:46 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Help Wanted (Sorry - sent also without header by mistake) Thanks for the votes, much appreciated :) I take issue with your musical analysis, however (As you might expect). First of all, sonata form is rather more than theme, mess about with theme and repeat theme. The exposition divides into a 'first group' in the tonic and, after transitional material, a 'second group' in another key (usually the dominant in major movements, the relative major in minor ones), often with a coda to round the section off. Both groups may include a number of different themes. The development usually develops material from the exposition in a variety of ways, moving through a number of keys. Compared with the exposition, this section is usually one of considerable tonal instability and of rhythmic and melodic tension. The recapitulation restates the themes of the exposition; however, the second group is now heard in the tonic (possibly tonic major if the movement is minor), and there may be temporary excursions to other keys. Your description as applied to any Hawkwind songs (perhaps "Damnation Alley" or "Levitation") is more appropriate to what I would understand as 'ternary form': The first and third parts are identical, or very nearly identical, while the second part is sharply contrasting. As for Hawkwind writing in Sonata form, I find it hard to find the evidence. Picking some tunes at random: "Spirit of the Age"? Two chords with multiple overlays and fx. "Assault and Battery"? Conistent repeated chord structure of type E - G -F# - A with improvisations overlaid. "Assassins of Allah"? Two separate fused sections. I would agree that "Brainstorm"'s theme is repeated at the end, but I don't think the rules of sonata form as stated above are followed. "Wind of Change" is a four chord figure repeated with improvised violin and synths. As for my pieces, they're not all instrumental - there are two songs (with lyrics) on soundclick, "The Buddha in the Internet" and "Three Minutes". The former is self-consciously influenced by the Brock school of composition, most notably "On the Case" or "Spirit of the Age". The latter follows a simple verse / chorus structure, but I use a fugue form for the synth instrumental. As for the instrumental pieces, they do actually follow a form, if not a strict Sonata form. Phive starts by exposing a theme on a diatonic scale of C and, develops it over a chromatic scale of C and F and then recapitulates the theme. Byrneblanga exposes the theme in F, develops it in D minor and Bb and then restates it in F. This piece is actually an extract from a single composition in two parts "The Eye of the Cyclone" which was an exercise I set myself in developing four intertwining themes over several keys for 50 minutes, while hopefully retaining the listener's interest. "A Short Life" is classical A-A-B-A ternary form. "Knowing Another World" is an extended reel combined with a four part canon. Of course the beauty is in the ear of the listener. It either grabs you or it doesn't. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring. What attracted me to Hawkwind originally, rather than form in their music was, to use the old SF phrase, that 'sense of wonder' they provoked in pieces like D-Rider, The Golden Void, Demented Man and others. Couple this emotional force with Calvert's lyrics in the Charisma albums - High Rise, Robot, Micro Man and bingo! I also like the Doremi - PXR5 period the best; however some of the live arrangements the band has turned out recently on Canterbury 2001 and Yule Ritual are as good as any of the live stuff I can remember (and I first saw them in 1976). Furthermore I thought they were astonishingly good at Hawkfest 2003, a powerful and consistent performance. I know others like Kevin Perry don't share this view - it just goes to show how subjective the appreciation of music is. I appreciate the votes and the feedback and shall certainly take your impressions on board for the future. Best regards Tom >Well you got two votes from me :-) >Given that I've done my bit can I now do my critic impression, something >for >which I'm ideally suited as I've never composed a note :-) >Your pieces are pleasant, but that's all. They don't seem to have anything >to say so there's nothing to grab your attention. >The great thing about pre 1980 Hawkwind is that it really grabs you. >There's >always a message to the song (even if it's just that composing whilst >smoking recreational drugs isn't a great idea :-). OK your pieces are >instrumental and it's a lot harder to have a message without lyrics, but >even the Hawkwind instrumentals still have a definite progression to them. >They go somewhere, they don't just start, run on for a bit then end. >Part of this is that Hawkwind, like countless bands before and after, use >the good old sonata form: >2. development: develop the themes and mix them up a bit >3. recapitulation: restate the original themes >OK it's cliched, Beethoven did it, but it gives a track structure and this >makes the track a lot better to listen to. Great composers bend the rules >with the sonata form, Beethoven did, and while Hawkwind aren't that great >they bend the rules too and mostly make their tracks even better as a >result. >While I'm on a rant, I think the reason Hawkwind aren't quite the band they >were (is it too contentious to say that) is that Dave Brock got into >dance/trance, which doesn't really have a structure, and no-one else took >up >the torch. Church of Hawkwind is OK, actually I quite like it as background >music, but nothing in it grabs you like Doremi Fasiol Latido or In Search >of >Space, or indeed Quark or PXR5. >No-one wants the band to just carry on doing the same thing forever, and >indeed a good example of a change was when they switched to Charisma and >Calvert became a dominant force. They certainly changed since, but they >don't seem to have the sme focus that they used to. >JR _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 18:36:20 2004 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:36:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted Message-ID: I think that was what you said, albeit more eloquently... Wasn't it? :-) (I quite agree, but I've never heard a better description of a sonata in as few words in my life!) Cheers, Rich. (I still prefer songs that go "BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA!!!!!" though. Sod sonatas.) :-) > > First of all, sonata form is rather more than theme, mess about with theme > and repeat theme. > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 24 21:49:50 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted / Jamming technique In-Reply-To: <04a801c3fb2f$01fb58b0$9300a8c0@brian>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 11:36:20PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 11:36:20PM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > (I still prefer songs that go "BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA!!!!!" though. Sod > sonatas.) > :-) So who says you have to choose? A song can go theme/mess-about/repeat *and* go BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA -- HW's often do. Of course live, "mess about with" tends to be code for "abandon in favour of something else entirely" :-) Speaking of which, I've wondered for quite some time: when HW are off jamming and it's time to return to the main theme ... how do they manage to all come back at once? Does Dave cue everyone somehow with a subtle musical change, or Alan with a visual signal since everyone onstage can see him, or are they all counting bars? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Feb 24 23:25:10 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cheech) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:55:10 +1030 Subject: OFF: Help Wanted / Jamming technique Message-ID: Its PSI POWER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Help Wanted / Jamming technique entirely" :-) > > Speaking of which, I've wondered for quite some time: when HW > are off jamming and it's time to return to the main theme ... how > do they manage to all come back at once? Does Dave cue everyone > somehow with a subtle musical change, or Alan with a visual > signal since everyone onstage can see him, or are they all > counting bars? From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Feb 26 18:56:40 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:56:40 -0500 Subject: did we miss this one? Message-ID: i think it's fair to say that thanks to the sharing of information via such lists we rarely miss too much in the way of Hawkwind related trivia but how about this clip that I've just posted to the museum web site, click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hwcinema.htm and scroll down to the **NEW** caption and follow the link below. I've only the briefest of information on it, but it apparently comes from a show called "Rather Good Videos" and i think this episode might be repeated on Saturday night - Sunday morning on Channel 4 at 02.10. hope you enjoy it regards Dave From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 26 19:14:38 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:14:38 +0000 Subject: did we miss this one? Message-ID: Nice one. Have just being viewing (like an excited 10 year old with a new toy) my Welcome to the Future CD/DVD and the main part you want it for is the interview with Dave 2 years ago. Now the interviewer (sorry loads of JD's tonight), has gone through an ellaborate build up of about 15 minutes of how the first line up formed and once Dik Mik and Nik Turner were on board said to Dave 'did you have a vision of what the next two years would have been?' obviously expecting Dave to go into some musical plan but Dave just shakes his head and says 'No'. I nearly fell off my chair, absolutely classic and sums up why I love the band so much. Off to watch the next 30 minutes. Unique stuff and very interesting. Eddie. P.S. Anyone interested Rush Wembley Arena Sept 8th, got my tickets already. >From: Dave Law >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: did we miss this one? >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:56:40 -0500 > >i think it's fair to say that thanks to the sharing of information via >such lists we rarely miss too much in the way of Hawkwind related trivia >but how about this clip that I've just posted to the museum web site, >click on >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hwcinema.htm >and scroll down to the **NEW** caption and follow the link below. >I've only the briefest of information on it, but it apparently comes from >a show called "Rather Good Videos" and i think this episode might be >repeated on Saturday night - Sunday morning on Channel 4 at 02.10. >hope you enjoy it >regards >Dave _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From david.dobbie at BT.COM Fri Feb 27 07:08:03 2004 From: david.dobbie at BT.COM (David Dobbie) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:08:03 -0000 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? Message-ID: Like the Musicstack site found my self a copy of Warrior On The Edge Of Time from B side the C side in Herne Bay Kent sent cheque Wed eve came this Morning very good service Cheers for posting that link Nick But I don't what people will think of this but I think its dodgy or what, off musicstack Hawkwind Warrior On The Edge Of Time ?52.21 Other Condition: NM Item Number: Q15568 CD-R + Vinyl Combo: UK / 1975 GATEFOLD TSUAG29766 Basically I thinks its vinyl with a copy burnt to Cd-r for those analogue challenged out there. I can understand this could be a valuble service for some people, but how many people interested in early Hawkwind won't have a record player If they could afford these prices they can afford a burner. But a charge of ?40 for the service phewww over what I paid for LP with Shield sleeve. Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is mint or e mean near mint? Why oh why do people pay these silly prices. Is this even legal, as they are making money by copying material to which they do not own the copy right ? Love & Pax Dobbie From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Feb 27 08:57:41 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:57:41 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 24 Feb 2004 to 25 Feb 2004 (#2004-51) Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote > > (I still prefer songs that go "BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA!!!!!" though. Sod > sonatas.) > :-) I thought it was "Badger Badge Badger" these days... Cf. http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com if you've no idea what I'm talking about! ChrisW From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Feb 27 10:47:37 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:08:03PM -0000, David Dobbie wrote: => But I don't what people will think of this but I think its dodgy or => what, off musicstack => => Hawkwind Warrior On The Edge Of Time ?52.21 Other => Condition: NM => Item Number: Q15568 => CD-R + Vinyl Combo: UK / 1975 GATEFOLD TSUAG29766 => => Basically I thinks its vinyl with a copy burnt to Cd-r for those => analogue challenged out there. I can understand this could be a => valuble service for some people, but how many people interested in => early Hawkwind won't have a record player If they could afford these => prices they can afford a burner. But a charge of ?40 for the service => phewww over what I paid for LP with Shield sleeve. Actually, this is an interesting way of circumventing the fact that _Warrior..._ is unavailable on CD, but there are people who still want to buy it (legally) in that format. I think there are *lots* of people who don't have turntables. I have one, albeit several thousand miles away, so for practical purposes I don't right now. => Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is => mint or e mean near mint? This takes me back to my vinyl collecting days. NM means "near mint." With vinyl, you usually get two gradings: one for the sleeve and one for the vinyl record itself. => Why oh why do people pay these silly prices. Because the items are no longer in print but people still want to listen to them? => Is this even legal, as they are making money by copying material to => which they do not own the copy right ? Yes, this is legal. Although the big content companies (music and film) would have us believe differently, it is not a copyright violation to make a copy of an album you own to listen to in some other format (or just to make a "safety backup"). This falls under the "fair use" provisions of the copyright law. (Provisions that the big content companies are trying to roll back.) So, for example, it is "fair use" to make and possess a tape of a CD to listen to in the car *so long as you own the original CD.* If you sell or give away the CD, you no longer have rights to the material and the cassette copy you made no longer falls under "fair use" because you gave up (away) your rights to that material when you sold or gave it away. What this company appears to be doing is working within the fair use provisions. They are selling a vinyl version of the album *along with* a "fair use" copy derived from that album. Selling the vinyl album is legal (unless, perhaps, it's a promo). If it were not, all those folks making out like bandits on eBay would be breaking the law. :-) Personally, I think this is an interesting solution to the problem of certain classic Hawkwind albums still being out of print, especially in the CD format that most people use for playback today. By doing this, too, the company avoids the possibility of prosecution. (It would not be legal to sell CD-Rs of the album without an original album.) It's nice to see them making an *effort* to remain legal. :-) In theory, to be legal, they should also sell CD-R copies derived from the actual album with which the CD-R is being paired (making each sale unique). It's doubtful they're doing this, but you never know. It would technically be illegal to sell a CD-R copy of the original _Warrior..._ CD release paired with the _Warrior..._ vinyl, because in legal terms the two are distinct pieces of intellectual property. Having one does not entitle you to the other in the eyes of the law. IMHO, the best solution to these kinds of shenanigans and unavailability workarounds is to release the sought-after Hawkwind back catalogue in CD et al. format. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Feb 27 15:33:29 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:33:29 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:08:03 -0000, David Dobbie wrote: > >Hawkwind Warrior On The Edge Of Time ?52.21 Other >Condition: NM >Item Number: Q15568 >CD-R + Vinyl Combo: UK / 1975 GATEFOLD TSUAG29766 > >Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is mint >or e mean near mint? Any serious record collector/dealer will tell you that the only records that are MINT are records that have never been played. If a record has been played once, but the vinyl is still in perfect condition, it cannot be called Mint, hence the "Near Mint" (or "Mint Minus") grade. >Why oh why do people pay these silly prices. ?50 is small change for seriously collectable records. I believe that someone else on the list can do a better job of explaining the laws of "supply and demand" than I can ... -Doug (who, of course, wishes that everyone could buy a Warrior CD for ?10) jasret at mindspring.com From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Feb 27 22:26:06 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:26:06 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Supply and demand. "A fool and his money are soon parted" I'll get the Nobel in Econ for that I will... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? (SNIP) >Why oh why do people pay these silly prices. ?50 is small change for seriously collectable records. I believe that someone else on the list can do a better job of explaining the laws of "supply and demand" than I can ... -Doug (who, of course, wishes that everyone could buy a Warrior CD for ?10) jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Feb 27 22:41:02 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:41:02 -0500 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:33:29PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: => On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:08:03 -0000, David Dobbie => wrote: => > => >Hawkwind Warrior On The Edge Of Time ?52.21 Other => >Condition: NM => >Item Number: Q15568 => >CD-R + Vinyl Combo: UK / 1975 GATEFOLD TSUAG29766 => > => >Always been dubious of NM, what does it mean surely a record is mint => >or e mean near mint? => => Any serious record collector/dealer will tell you that the only records => that are MINT are records that have never been played. If a record has => been played once, but the vinyl is still in perfect condition, it cannot => be called Mint, hence the "Near Mint" (or "Mint Minus") grade. I've actually seen the designation "unplayed" (UNP) used to describe the above by some of the record collector outfits I've used. From memory, I think the official gradings in _Record Collector_ allow a record to me "Mint" and still have been played. I always took the gradings I was given in record lists with a HUGE grain of salt. I usually found they were elevated one or two levels above what I would have assigned when I eventually got the item (more so for vinyl than for sleeve condition). But, I did get some nice surprises the reverse, e.g., some classified EX which were NM/M... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Feb 28 21:32:55 2004 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 02:32:55 +0000 Subject: HW RE: site for collectors CDr dodgy ness ? Message-ID: Hi ya, Is there like some cottage industry that creates a few pressings of vynal and sells them. Over the years I've seen many long forgotten albums in 'unplayed' condition. For instance I guarantee if you go to the indoor market in Cardiff you will find a pristene copy of x in search of space complete with booklet for about ?8. I can't believe the very same copy has been there over 18 months so is it there are no Hawkfans bred in Cardiff or is there some clandesine supply of vynal? Chris From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 29 08:22:06 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:22:06 +0000 Subject: The Right Stuff on upcoming Monster Magnet? In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E1222D56E@ntguslaexs1.neuus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > The new MM album > > Just heard on a Swedish radio show that there will be a cover > of Captain Lockhead & the Starfighter's song "The right stuff" > on the new album. > > Maybe this is old news. Anyone hear it at the Astoria show? I was there and I heard it. I meant to post a review but there hasn't been time to get round to it. The essentials of the show as I got it were: Dave Wyndorf is bloody good at his job; Ed Mundell can play a bit but still mostly just widdles for MM compared to his stuff for The Atomic Bitchwax; the new rhythm section I thought were a bit rough at the edges but my companion, who was wearing earplugs and thus getting a different idea of the show from me thought they were spot on, and as she is herself both a bassist and drummer she was probably more right than I was; there was nothing played frm _Superjudge_ and I think only `Negasonic Teenage Warhead' from _Dopes_; the new stuff seemed more like _Powertrip_ stuff than _God Says No_ stuff, which I mean to mean kind of generic loud Dave Wyndorf shouts about sex and power a lot, not too much variation, but you know, I'll still buy the album when I can; and rather than burning a guitar, Dave smashed one on-stage during a huge long version of `Spine of God' which was one of the two encore tracks (the other was `Space Lord'), starting the whole routine with a speech about how everybody had to sacrifice something in these difficult days and how his girlfriend had given him this for Christmas... Someone in the audience got the plastic sheathing strap which came away from the body, better than a drumstick I reckon... There were two other things about the show worth mentioning, and one was this excellent version of `The Right Stuff', though as others have said he did miss out `and my eyes are eagle-sharp'... But it was very good, didn't half blanga, and was more fun than that interpolation of `Brainstorm' into `Dinosaur Vacume' (which was not played) they've been doing in previous years. Then of course a week later I saw Hawkwind play `Right Stuff' in the same venue, and then shortly after that Litmus and Spacehead together minus a few musicians also did it... I think the MM version just about did it best for me but largely because I'd not heard the song live for so long (ever?) and when the others came along they didn't have that shock value. The other thing was an extra verse Dave put into `Spine of God' before the final `centre of the universe' bit. Its lyrics were oddly familiar :-) They went, in the same tune as `Spine's other verses: `Bye bye, Miss American Pie, Drove my Chevy to the levee But the levee was dry, Them good old boys were drinking whisky and rye And singing "this'll be the day that I *DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE...*" This was very very good :-) Yours, Jon (who is sorry to be such a desultory contributor these days) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 29 10:01:25 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:01:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <020801c3c8c5$572d3980$fa23fea9@r1e1j2> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Best bit? Blagging our way into the 12-Bar on Denmark Street after the > show via Mike Holmes' "Let us in - we're the hardcore fans". Laugh - > well, yes, I did! Only bit afterwards of note was chatting to Martin > Griffin at the party - quite a character! My gods, it was in there? My girlfriend's main band's first gig was in there, the stage is so small and the place so low-ceilinged they had to pass guitars up and down to the balcony during instrument changes. Also met an excellent comedy punk band called Hacksaw whom everyone should be aware of: ... But I suppose it might be better for a party than a metal gig :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 29 10:39:34 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:39:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Nick Medford wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:10:29 -0000, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > > >As far as I'm concerned, they ROCKED. Yes, dull passages, but when they > >rocked out, they rocked. Seriously rocked. > > Agreed! I thought this was a party kind of gig. Not everything was that perfect, but we all had fun anyway I think and the band seemed to enjoy themselves. Not the sort of letter-perfect performances the previous two parties were, and probably not releasable I fear (or perhaps I hope) but I did enjoy it very much. > >And, much as I love Huw, was his set a case of "HEY! LOOK! HUW CAN STAND > >UP AND BORE EVERYONE SH1TLESS"? > > Not agreed! > > I thought Huw was superb- easily the best acoustic spot I've seen him do. > Those were the definitive versions of Solitary Mind Games and Waiting for > Tomorrow as far as I'm concerned- great fiery playing, and great to see Huw > up and at 'em again. Huw has so far been the only acoustic player I can watch and not get bored with. I remember the opening set he did at one of the Fairfield Halls gigs, he had an uninterested crowd all talking as he started and by the end he had everyone hanging on each note, enthralled. It was amazing. He wasn't *that* good this time but I thought he was well worth the money, and that his version of `Solitary Mind Games' then rather beat the one he did with Spacehead at Walthamstow even though that had the power on. After the times he's had recently it's really heart-warming to see him up and at it. Why is though that so many of the people I see at the Standard are in fact aged fate-scarred guitarists getting their pain out through music? Can it be some factor of the audience, I ask myself... Anyway, I'm all for Huw at the moment. Rich needs to listen to less Anal Cunt and more Jefferson Airplane :-) Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 29 10:54:19 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:54:19 +0000 Subject: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <200312241605.hBOG55kO005205@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, M Holmes wrote: > I wouldn't go quite that far but it did add to pacing problems with the > gig. The first problem was that just as the band had got into high gear, > they played two instrumentals (new ones) back to back and the whole > crowd where I was (next to the sounddesk)lost the flow and started > chatting amongst themselves. This happened again during Huw's set. > > It was great to see Huw's health had improved from Hawkfest, but I think > it'd have been better to have the set before Hawkwind, or if not, for > him to do a couple of solo songs and then lead the band into "Moonglum" > to kick up the pace a bit again. The same happened during "Wings". > It's too slow for a gig unless it's there to take down a blistering pace > for a bit. This time it added to the pacing problems. It would have > added interest to have Lene Lovich try the vocals since it was female > vocals on it when the song first aired. I've never thought tjis song > suited Alan's voice, but maybe that is just me. My big problem with that song is that whenever I've seen Bedouin play it, once the first line of each verse is sung I find myself automatically filling in the rest: "some waste of time you are, and you're so popular"... This wasn't quite as bad with Hawkwind, but on the other hand neither was the song half as good as the Bedouin version... > It was just a shame to see three breakpoints in the gig really ruin the > pace. Maybe I've just got so used to Dave's instincts on this being > damn near perfect that it took me by surprise. I did think that was the sort of thing that was going on, but it didn't surprise me very much. The continual appearance of techno in the set and the apparent surprise of the band when they first resurrected `Hurry on Sundown', as well as the refusal to drop `Assassins', has often left me thinking that Hawkwind don't really understand what appeals to their crowds, which isn't even the same as what appeals to their fanbase. But then again I suppose every gig's different and I've only got a personal impression also. But the idea that the effect of the individual numbers or even the whole arrangement of the set might have on a crowd wasn't really being thought through is not a new one to me... > That said, when things got going, it really was a great gig. Where Are > They Now? was absolutely excellent, and I've been writing to Santa to > say that since this has been left off the album, it'd better be > Hawkwind's bid for a Christmas single or I'm going to kill all the > reindeer. Golden Void featured Void's End again and I really think > that's the best piece of melodic synth since Wave Upon Wave. Angela's > Android and Brainbox Pollution really rocked too. Hurry On Sundown was > excellent, though I'd still like to see that tried as a fugue by the > band. I saw this once by accident when Nik sang the wrong line and Thom > Crimble covered up by turning it into a fugue. It sounds unlikely I > know, but it really worked very well. They have got to to do something with `Where Are They Now' but it's hardly a finished song as they currently do it. A live release will suit me fine, if it's being done as well as that. Gets me every time... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Feb 29 11:15:31 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:15:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New REVIEWS and Alchemical Radio show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (February 29, 2004):We've just uploaded a batch of new reviews. Thanks to Jim Lascko, Mike Reed, Steve Rowlstone, Scott Heller and Charles Van de Kree for their contributions. You can read all the new reviews at our What's New page at: http://aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html We've also got a new edition of Alchemical Radio (show #56). You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. See the playlist below. We've got live reviews of Harvey Bainbridge's DNA Tour, Bland Bladen, and Gas Giant. And CD reviews of Vocokesh, Zone Six, ZubZub, Circle, Chief Mart's, Drunken Gunmen, Johnson Noise, Jupiter Jefferson, The Pyramids Of Snafu, Mountain Mirrors, Nicholas Hill and the Universals, Paradox One, Flight 09, Phosphene, Sgt. Sunshine, Cousin Silas, Verde, Void Forum, Tyko, Chuzzlewit, Blurred Images, Natsuki Tamura Quartet, Satoko Fujii Quartet, Brazelton/Naphtali, Doktor Kettu, Brainstorm, David Rose Group, Howe/Wooten/Chambers, Pseudo Six, and Love 666. Alchemical Radio (show #56) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Introduction By Paul Bullock - Car Pool Mom. (Contact: paulbullock04 at hotmail.com) Neumeria - Open Sky Brainticket - Within Venus All About Eve - Hide Child PSD - In Time Pseudo Buddha - October 4 Robert Noble - What Is Saturnia - Planetarium Carl Burnett - 3/4 Jam Frank Gingeleit - Nightmares And Escapades Cousin Silas - Atonement With Beasts The Nightjars - Babylon Howl In The Typewriter - Extract From Grand Theft Audio John Danley - Ballad Of Marcia Trimble (1956 - 1975) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 29 12:16:44 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:16:44 +0000 Subject: Album out? In-Reply-To: <001b01c3d898$273c55c0$f1180750@roobarb> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Mark Storer wrote: > Why do you seem to be stuck in a 3-month timewarp? > 'Spose we might find out in April!! I'm afraid I can't tell you for another two months. Yours, Jon (catching up) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Feb 29 12:18:10 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:18:10 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: Well here we are at the end of February, two months into 2004 and I thought Spirit of The Age was being released in January??? still no sign or word and what about the new album....anybody????? From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Feb 29 12:22:47 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:22:47 -0500 Subject: Album out? Message-ID: well there I was sending my own message regarding the album and at the same time someone was replying to an earlier query....spooky or is it fate, is the new single about to be released and the album to tie in with the new tour or are to see the same old set they have been playing for the past few years (its still excellent though) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Feb 29 12:46:15 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:46:15 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: Its a hoax. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dove" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: new single and album > Well here we are at the end of February, two months into 2004 and I > thought Spirit of The Age was being released in January??? still no sign > or word and what about the new album....anybody????? From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Feb 29 13:46:02 2004 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:46:02 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: ...and is it a hoax that Spaced Out In London will be released..... to be honest I don't care if it is released as I bought a copy at the Astoria gig so I've got mine (its very good)....hey I've got an idea instead of releasing new material how about a live album every year! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Feb 29 15:29:10 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:29:10 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: I don't honestly know. I'm almost to the point I don't want to support the band anymore. Spaced out was sold 2 months ago. Fans who can't get to the gigs can't buy it. They don't want trading. Seems like they don't give a shit. People want to buy the stuff. Makes no sense not to sell it. Wasn't the new ablum done around 2 years ago. I can't believe they are looking for a record label. Its getting rather boring to me. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dove" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: new single and album > ..and is it a hoax that Spaced Out In London will be released..... > to be honest I don't care if it is released as I bought a copy at the > Astoria gig so I've got mine (its very good)....hey I've got an idea > instead of releasing new material how about a live album every year! From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Feb 29 17:55:27 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:55:27 -0000 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: didnt colin allen say that spaced out will be made availiable again and that the copies bought at the hawkwind gigs were only the intial batch? cheers colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: new single and album > I don't honestly know. I'm almost to the point I don't want to support the > band anymore. Spaced out was sold 2 months ago. Fans who can't get to the > gigs can't buy it. They don't want trading. Seems like they don't give a > shit. People want to buy the stuff. Makes no sense not to sell it. Wasn't > the new ablum done around 2 years ago. I can't believe they are looking for > a record label. Its getting rather boring to me. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Dove" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: new single and album > > > > ..and is it a hoax that Spaced Out In London will be released..... > > to be honest I don't care if it is released as I bought a copy at the > > Astoria gig so I've got mine (its very good)....hey I've got an idea > > instead of releasing new material how about a live album every year! > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Feb 29 19:08:20 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:08:20 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: Thats right, but will it be available next year or later. It just seems daft that all these recordings are going to be released but when they are expected to, its a big let down. It shouldn't be a chronic problem with every release. Its frustrating as hel. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "colm mcwilliams" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Re: new single and album > didnt colin allen say that spaced out will be made availiable again and that > the copies bought at the hawkwind gigs were only the intial batch? > > cheers > > colm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: new single and album > > > > I don't honestly know. I'm almost to the point I don't want to support the > > band anymore. Spaced out was sold 2 months ago. Fans who can't get to the > > gigs can't buy it. They don't want trading. Seems like they don't give a > > shit. People want to buy the stuff. Makes no sense not to sell it. Wasn't > > the new ablum done around 2 years ago. I can't believe they are looking > for > > a record label. Its getting rather boring to me. Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Dove" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:46 PM > > Subject: Re: new single and album > > > > > > > ..and is it a hoax that Spaced Out In London will be released..... > > > to be honest I don't care if it is released as I bought a copy at the > > > Astoria gig so I've got mine (its very good)....hey I've got an idea > > > instead of releasing new material how about a live album every year! > > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sun Feb 29 20:15:54 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:15:54 -0500 Subject: new single and album Message-ID: Well we've certainy been waiting some time for a new HW studio release.... stories of a new studio album due for almost immediate release date from around 2000.... and here we are 4 years later with nothing.... John Majka > > Well here we are at the end of February, two months into 2004 and I > > thought Spirit of The Age was being released in January??? still no sign > > or word and what about the new album....anybody?????