From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 1 04:38:40 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:38:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: LOL; the full setlist was: Intro Twinstar Destroy the Mothership The Tempest Dreams of Space (Theta Wave) Inductor Sonic Light Under the Sign Twiddly Synthy Bit (while band recover and Huw is prepared for action!) Infinity Drive Waiting for Tomorrow Motorway City Moonglum Magnu Needle Gun Right Stuff (Encore) T-shirts? Ah, yes...T-shirts! We are working on designs and hope (plan) to have them ready very early in the new year. On another track, the wonderful Julian Cope has selected "You Are Here" as his "Album of the Month" for December; a review will be appearing on his site http://www.headheritage.co.uk. There is also a review in the latest edition of Terrorizer. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:18:49 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > >> Just to remind you that Litmus will be playing at the Standard in >> Walthamstow on Friday, November 5th with support from Huw Lloyd-Langton, >> who will be playing an acoustic set. > > I went, of course, what could I be doing on Bonfire Night that >could be better than that. A fair few other people did also so the word is >clearly spreading, even if only in North-East London. > > Gigs at the Standard are beginning to fall into a special category >for me. There's always people I know there, the bands seem more relaxed >than you see them elsewhere, and what was meant as a gig often winds up >being more like being down the pub with some mates who happen to be >musicians. I come away not caring so much what the performance was like >because I had a good time anyway. Not to say I haven't seen some very fine >gigs there but it's not as much the point of going as elsewhere. > > The other thing is that I seem to keep going there to see ageing >guitarists on what we fervently hope, but sometimes easily could be, their >last time on stage. Tony Hill I never expected to see set up to playing >live so readily again; I'm never quite sure the Bevis Frond will ever gig >a next time each time I see them; and then there's Huw Lloyd Langton, on >whom the world seems to drop so much health and life woe that it's always >a relief to see him actually present and able to play. He was sitting for >most of the time he was on stage this time, and walking with evident >difficulty, but after seeing him I always feel the world will probably >continue a bit longer and have my faith renewed in the power of music to >keep people going and other bits of hippy twaddle like that. > > Again, it doesn't always matter whether or not he's very >good, and I've seen him both better and worse than he played this >night. He was clearly not well, he also repeatedly complained that the >stage lights were so bright that he couldn't see his own strings, but he >was still chirpy and chatty. First thing he said to the crowd was, "Well, >wot yer gonna sing for me then?" (how can one man have a speaking voice >*so* Cockney and a singing voice *so* Welsh?) and he kept us entertained >throughout, including by starting with `Wars Are the Hobby There' of which >he almost spoke more than he sang. The rest of thet was `Wind of Change' >(with the `Fifth Second of Forever' theme as intro and outro), `Smokestack >Lightning' (which his voice, not good tonight, actually fitted quite >well), `Rocky Paths' (with an excellent coda I didn't recogniand may well >have been spontaneous), `Solitary Mind Games' (which rather fell over at >the end) and an oddly minor-key version of `Hurry on Sundown' which >sounded much more plaintive in his voice. I hope his health improves, >because I've seen him so much better than this, but seeing him at all is >always a blessing and he was no disgrace to his reputation at all. I'm >still trying to work out what it is about Huw's playing that always gets >me; he always seems to go for the most mournful path through any given >musical stage, there's no-one else like him. > > As for Litmus, well, I guess there has to come a point when any >band which is excelling its previous performance every gig turns in one >which isn't quite as excellent as one of the previous ones and I thought >this was probably it. Slightly freer attitude to things maybe, more >experimentation, more to not quite hit the `eleven' mark. Maybe I was just >grum. I thought it was very good, but not up to their usual world-beating >standards. > > They opened with `Twinstar', though, so that was obviously good, >and followed it with the new `Destroy the Mothership' which is going to be >very very good on record and always better live. Very short number full of >attack (you'd never guess from the title eh?) and diving riff. If this >number was a soldier it'd be a Ghurkha. Top stuff. So it was after that >that it started to wander just a little, maybe. `Dreams of Space' was very >good, but it wasn't quite as fiercely intense as the version at the >Underworld which I nearly died trying to stay the course of the mosh for >the entire break in. Maybe an unrealistic standard but obviously once you >know they can do that you're going to hope for it again... I don't think >there was anything wrong with `(Theta Wave) Oscillator' either but as a >result of the new stuff it's no longer my favourite thing they do live and >it seemed shorter than usual this time as well. And though `Sonic Light' >is a great little bounce it's beginning to look a little throwaway besides >the rest of the setlist. > > You can probably tell that by now I'd made up my mind this wasn't >the best I'd seen them, and I was tired and guarding a rucksack so it's >only fair to say I may have been less open to it than I was at the >Underworld. I did think things just weren't *quite* as tightly focussed as >that time. Partly I think it felt as if Marek's steamroller drum approach >wasn't being quite subtle enough to really kick the songs into orbit; he >was hitting as much as he could all the time, and without much by way of >variation between numbers. There definitely wasn't as much of the `Om >Riff'-like shape-changing in `Oscillator' you get on the record. Maybe as >I say not as much time for it though. So yeah, Difficult to put my finger >on, I just wasn't quite as blown away as usual. > > The site went on with `Rays of Sonic Light', anyway, and then into >the new `Under the Sun', where I can tell you what I thought was off. This >number is plainly still under development and I like the previous bassline >a lot better. It's got the potential to be one of those five-minute songs >that feels as if it took you through three times that much at serious >intensity, but it was more insanely danceable at the Underworld and >whatever they've done to it I hope it gets changed back. It may have just >been the way things worked that day of course in which case I hope to see >it better yet, it's a great piece and will make their name live eternal if >done right. Moreover, they followed it with `Evil', which I only knew from >the sample on the website and had sadly assumed was now discarded. I do >hope not. Even if, as it seems, it's little more than the crushing riff >and mantra chorus that the sample holds, it's still magic and should be >sandwiched between two big numbers in a suite as soon as possible, and I >was very glad thear it, but it did seem to me as if the band weren't quite >sure what to do with because it's so encapsulated, difficult to lead into >or stop and not worth doing for long in case its effect weakens. Still, >helped make my night. > > A few minutes of electronic noise ensued while the stringsmen went >off stage with Marek and all three retruned with Huw, which he'd warned us >might happen (his electric being on stage was a small hint also) and which >obviously we were delighted to see. Bravely, they started with a Litmus >number, which was `Infinity Drive', and that went OK, but Huw didn't >really know where the changes were coming and con't contribute much beyond >understudied space noise. The care Litmus were taking of him rather damped >their own performance without helping his, I thought, but it's still a >good number, it just had a bit of trouble during the last break because of >all this. Perhaps wisely, therefore, that was the last Litmus track we got >for a while, which is obviously a shame, but on the other hand with Huw >on stage this wasn't quite Litmus anyway. It did show how Simon can share >the stage with another excellent guitarist and not look either shoddy or >stage-hogging though. > > Anyway, we got `Waiting For Tomorrow', a really quite good >`Motorway City', an excellent `Moonglum' (I've never seen a bad version of >this though--I was impressed by Martin apparently being faithful to the >lyrics in the chrous, I could never pronounce them correctly and with a >straight face at the same time... ) and then something which I can't now >read in my notes. I remember them doing `Invader', but I've scratched it >out further up the setlist--perhaps it was here? I should remember, but >this detail eludes me (and I await corrections from Colin on half of the >others :-) > > Last track of the main set was an unexpected but thoroughly >enjoyable `Needle Gun' (it's appalling how long it took me to recognise >this, I clearly haven't played _Malpractise_ half enough lately), and with >it still ringing in the rafters Litmus left the stage. Before too long >coaxed back on again, they formed up for more and Simon told us they were >going to attempt a jam. Whether this was really the plan I don't know but >after about a minute-and-a-half of noodling he himself got bored of the >idea and went into a certain well-known riff, and thus the encore was a >thoroughly excellent `Right Stuff'. It seems like I'm seeing this number >at every second gig I'm going to nowadays (I wonder if Space Ritual did it >on the 12th?) but when it's this good I don't mind. Finished just about in >time for me to see that Colin had finally overcome the band's seeming >reluctance to ever have anything to do with merchandise (t-shirts I tell >you!), in as much as there were CDs available, and then scooted for last >tube, which I caught with one to spare, and heaed southward. A good >night. Looking forward to the next one I can get to, yours, > Jon > >ObCD: Gorilla - _Gorilla_ >-- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 06:36:11 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:36:11 GMT Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > Anyone know what this is? (basically, bootleg or legit?) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=16137&item=4055994748&rd=1 > > (link may break) > > The description suggests it a) wasn't all recorded in 1984 and 2)might > contain tracks from "Do Not Panic". It's all from Zones, Stonehenge, or the Earth Ritual Preview EP Not a bad compilation though. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 06:38:20 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:38:20 GMT Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:37:42 -0500, Paul Mather > wrote: > > >I have a copy of this LP > > Thanks for the info. I suppose if it's listed in the HW discography it must > be legal (although possibly not band-approved), or is that an unsafe > assumption? No. I put in all legitimate and semi-legitimate releases, plus the bootleg runs that made it past 500 on silver CD's or LP's. When I finally get around to bringing the Codex up to date, I'll also include all music that's on DVD. Are there any serious objections to that? FoFP From chrisow at SHAW.CA Wed Dec 1 10:47:15 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:47:15 -0500 Subject: The Awakening Message-ID: I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be fun to try to cover the whole album, but that remains to be seen! http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm Best J From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 11:34:21 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:34:21 GMT Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: Jade man's message of Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: Jade man writes: > I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt > at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere > of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be > fun to try to cover the whole album, but that > remains to be seen! > > http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm I'd be very interested in hearing the whole of the Lord of Light that you started here... FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Dec 1 11:39:40 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:39:40 -0500 Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Umm, .ca, eh? So where in Canada are you? Anywhere near Southern Ontario? And do you want a light show when you take it on tour? (OK, the on tour part is joking, but the light show part is absolutely for real....) I've had it in mind for a few years now to organize a Hawkwind tribute night at some local club (which we'd light of course). The reason it hasn't happened is that I'm totally lousy at organizing *anything* (sigh). I know a few bands that'd be into participating. Maybe now I know one more :-) On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:47:15AM -0500, Jade man wrote: > I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt > at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere > of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be > fun to try to cover the whole album, but that > remains to be seen! > > http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm > > Best > J -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 1 11:42:13 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:42:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Julian Cope's review of the Litmus album "You Are Here" is now online at: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/1240 Enjoy! From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Dec 1 11:50:19 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:50:19 -0000 Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My favourite version of the lyrics is the version of First Landing on Medusa on Spacebrock (I think there are three songs those lyrics appear in). I love the trance feel to it, and I prefer the electronic voice reciting the lyrics. With lyrics like that it's dangerously easy to sound pretentious if you read them in a normal voice. I like covers that try and keep the spirit of the original but bring a new twist to it (I'm the one who liked the Scissor Sisters version of Comfortably Numb :-). Dave's version on Spacebrock isn't especially innovative in musical terms but it does bring a new feel to the track. I'm sure First Landing on Medusa has appeared on albums other than Spacebrock, and a demo on Wierd Tapes 7, but I can't think which. Does anyone know? JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jade man Sent: 01 December 2004 15:47 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: The Awakening I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be fun to try to cover the whole album, but that remains to be seen! http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm Best J From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Dec 1 12:27:35 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:27:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 1984 In-Reply-To: <200412011138.iB1BcK9E008624@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:38:20AM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:38:20AM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > When I finally get around to bringing the Codex up to date, I'll also > include all music that's on DVD. Are there any serious objections to > that? No. Get to work. :-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Dec 1 12:34:47 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:34:47 -0500 Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: ; from chrisow@SHAW.CA on Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:47:15AM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:47:15AM -0500, Jade man wrote: > I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt > at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere > of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be > fun to try to cover the whole album, but that > remains to be seen! > > http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm Dude that was pretty cool! :) Be more forceful on the vocal delivery, though. Bob was a poet, but he still sounded like he was on his way to kick someone's ass. :-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 1 12:44:16 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:44:16 +0000 Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: <20041201163940.GA27065@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 01-Dec-2004 16:39, Eric Siegerman wrote: > I've had it in mind for a few years now to organize a Hawkwind > tribute night at some local club (which we'd light of course). > The reason it hasn't happened is that I'm totally lousy at > organizing *anything* (sigh). I know a few bands that'd be into > participating. Maybe now I know one more :-) I will take this (cheap) opportunity to reissue another summons to any East Anglian spacelords to form a Cantabrigian horde. Failing that, I'll issue a call to any deskbound spacelords aroudn the galaxy to record parts to their PCs that we can glue together in cyberspace :) Ah .... I've run out of calls now ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Dec 1 19:39:43 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:39:43 -0500 Subject: STARSHIP HAWKWIND'S CHART TREK - online info form now available Message-ID: this project really gets off the ground when we start collecting details from people at the upcoming December dates. however for those who are either not attending these shows for whatever reason or would like to "Fast track" the system you can now fill out an online information form simply by clicking on http://forms5.createonlineforms.com/4207/form_1_1.html and filling out as much as possible. hope this is of use to many of you and will hopefully speed things up thanks as always for your time in this matter regards Dave From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 1 19:49:48 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:49:48 -0000 Subject: Cookin' For You In-Reply-To: <001601c4d3f7$104b7520$0400000a@studybox> Message-ID: OK, so who's ordered the book yet? Hands up! (I have!) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: 26 November 2004 20:33 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Cookin' For You And if you want to order a copy, you'll be pleased to hear that all profits will be put towards the cost of getting someone to a BOC gig, someone who otherwise would not be able to afford to go. The people primarily behind the book (Kira, Mark and Mike) are GOOD people and they deserve your support. The book can be ordered at http://www.bocfanscookbook.com/. There's only a limited supply so you'll have to hurry. While you're there, check out Mark's BOC inspired artwork (under Mark's work). He's done some great work. I've got a copy of "Poison's In My Bloodstream" frame and on my wall! Tony From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Dec 2 06:12:35 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:12:35 +0000 Subject: The Awakening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01-Dec-2004 15:47, Jade man wrote: > I wondered if you might enjoy my attempt > at trying to recreate the sounds and atmosphere > of the original Space Ritual 1972. It would be > fun to try to cover the whole album, but that > remains to be seen! > http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/awakening.htm I've given this a few more listenings now, and it's pretty cool. I agree with Steve Swann (natch) you might want to make the vocals sound more pissed off :) but the swooshy noises behind them are top notch! Highly realistic How'd ya do it? I've yet to find something which which I can cause my ridiculously powerful (by the '70s standards) computer to emit Hawkesque swooshy noises! I dig that it segues into Lord of Light (as is right and proper!), though the sound there seems inevitably MIDIfied to me (in comparison to the booster rocket roar of live Hawkwind, anyway). Hmmm, must go away and remind myself how Lord of Light goes on bass ..... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 2 15:20:18 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:20:18 -0500 Subject: The Awakening Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:50:19 -0000, John Rennie wrote: >I'm sure First Landing on Medusa has appeared on albums other than >Spacebrock, and a demo on Wierd Tapes 7, but I can't think which. Does >anyone know? In Your Area. Nick From chrisow at SHAW.CA Thu Dec 2 23:06:49 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:06:49 -0500 Subject: The Awakening Message-ID: Thanks Mr Holmes for your very kind words. Unfortunately, thats all there is of Lord of Light at the moment I need to get off my backside and make the time to it. It might not be until the summer though! It would be great to do the whole double album, a real tribute to the mothership. Hi Eric, I am in North Vancouver BC... originally from S Wales UK. I spent 20 years getting to the point where I have most of the stuff to do my favourite Hawkwind sound and I find myself marooned where there are few others interested. I am looking to form a Canadian Hawkwind cover band perhaps called Pangaea, but that doesnt matter. I even have a bit of cash saved up for eqpt as well, main problem is time and finding others who want to give it a go. Theres no money in it of course, but thats not the motivation. John I was trying to reproduce the sound of Bob's voice and intonation on Space Ritual. I imagine the way those guys feel after the wake up in the film Alien! As for my voice, I can scream when I get going. I get told to calm down alot! My main problem is that my Mic is back home in Wales and I had to use a poxy little mic on a cheap pair of computer headphones. Lets see what Santa brings! Best J From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 3 16:58:22 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:58:22 -0500 Subject: HW: My Top 10 Space albums Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:43:54 -0500, Stephan Forstner wrote: >On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:06:37 -0500, Tim wrote: >>...Would like to know where you find Marble Sheep cds, all i've ever >> found was _Stone Marby_(love the track "inside out") > >All the early (i.e. their best IMHO) stuff is out of print (Old From New >Heads, Whirl Live, Shinjuku Loft, s/t) so probably it will have to be >eBay. I agree about this stuff being the best Marble Sheep. And if you're a fan of Radio Gnome-era Gong, you'll want to check out the first (s/t, on Alchemy) Marble Sheep album just for the pothead pixie-inspired graphics. >Note that the early stuff doesn't sound like Stone Marby, it has more of a >Hawkwind meets Amon Duul I vibe and is a bit rougher around the edges - a >psychedelic garage band doing jamming versions of the Stone Marby songs >and stretching them out to twice their length might give an idea! > >On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:02:49 -0500, Nick Medford >wrote: >>the first Ash Ra Tempel album (probably because I saw it going cheap >>somewhere, thus are a few great purchases and some not-so-great ones >>made) and it is as you say an absolute classic, a thousand times better >>than the concert I'd seen. The only other one I have is "Join Inn", >>which- naff title aside- is of a similar standard (similar format too- >>two side-long pieces, first side freaked-out jamming enlivened by >>Schulze's incredible drumming, second side much more meditative, almost >>devotional). > >I rank the debut and 'Join Inn' as 1 and 2, so you've got what I would >consider their must-haves. 'Schwingungen' and '7-up' are the other 2 early >albums, which actually came out betweeen the 1st and JI, and Schulze was >not on either of those - I think they're also pretty good, though not at >the same level, and with more of a weirdness factor to them due to some >odd vocals (Timothy Leary on 7-up for example) and stylistic shifts. >After Join Inn they did 'Starring Rosi' which is more hippy-folky, with >prominent female vocals (from Rosi, thus the title) - not bad but no >longer really spacerock. I would agree that the first four Ash Ra Tempel albums (the ones with Harmut Enke on bass) are the ones to get. Also essential for fans of those albums would be the Cosmic Jokers albums, especially s/t, 'Galactic Supermarket', and 'Planeten Sit-In' (the other two are bizarre Rolf Ulrich- Kaiser-narrated medleys/studio-edits/compilations of a bunch of Jokers & related stuff), which carry the loose, jamming, aspects of Ash Ra to their logical extreme. Also highly-recommended is the Walter Wegm?ller double- album, 'Tarot', which features Gottsching, Enke, and Schulze (on synths), along with several other krautrock "all-stars" playing material that's more song-oriented (but is still completely freaked-out), ranging from Funkadelic-like vamps to spacey interludes to melodic chamber-pop (however, I don't recommend paying for a copy, since its only availability is/was an overblown box set). >>Moving on to Acid Mothers, I've generally found them an amazing live >>band, but they unfortunately seem to have got into the habit of >>releasing far toom much (any old noisy jam session will do it seems) >>regardless of quality- I think that other Japanese psych bands like Ghost, Overhang Party, and Kousokuya have much better quality control (and, consequently, smaller/easier-to-handle discographies). I prefer all three of those (all though Kousokuya can range towards being more "difficult" than the former two) to AMT. >>Another question- Amon Duul's "Psychedelic Underground"- where does this >>fit into the Amon Duul I/II saga- is this the one that was recorded right >>at the start before the split? How does it sound compared to >>Paradieswarts Duul, say? > >This was the very first official Amon Duul (I) release, from before the >split as you say. Muddy sound, repetitive tribal strumming, drumming, and >humming (OK, no humming, chanting actually - but some of the muddy sound >could be due to mains hum I guess), and odd tape effects - it sounds like >someone used a beat-up old tape recorder at a hippy commune doing a sing- >along jam session, then accidentally taped over bits of it, which is what >it basically was! By comparison Paradieswarts Duul sounds like a >professionally produced mainstream folk-psych album - and its far from >being that, as you know, so that should give you an idea of how far >underground Psychedelic Underground really is. (I like Paradieswarts a lot >too, but its a very different animal). All four Amon Du?l (I) albums aside from Paradieswarts (the fifth) sound like they're taken from the same jam session, as well-described by Stephan above :^). If you like 'Psychedelic Underground', you might want to get 'Disaster', 'Collapsing', and/or 'Experimente', but if you don't like it (or if it's enough of what it is), don't bother with them. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From alfred.koessl at AON.AT Fri Dec 3 19:33:05 2004 From: alfred.koessl at AON.AT (alfred.koessl@aon.at) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:33:05 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: test From alfred.koessl at AON.AT Sat Dec 4 08:15:55 2004 From: alfred.koessl at AON.AT (alfred.koessl@aon.at) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:15:55 -0500 Subject: another test Message-ID: another test From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sat Dec 4 12:55:55 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:55:55 -0500 Subject: The awakening Message-ID: Carl, Thanks for your kind comments I produced the background Spacey ambient noise simply by downloading a sample of audio white noise, loading it up into my PC sampler software and setting Glide so that the note frequency glides smoothly from one note or octave to another. I also set up some slow rise and fall time envelopes and a large ambient reverb. That part was relatively easy. I actually put the whole piece together with my old Cakewalk v8. I didnt use it with a midi synth, it was done in cakewalk as audio samples to built up patterns. I agree, it is difficult to avoid the patterns sounding repetitive. All best J From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 4 14:21:38 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:21:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel (was: Re: My Top 10 Space albums) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Nick Medford wrote: > Interesting list... a few comments/questions... > > > >4) ---------------------------------------- > >Ash Ra Temple - Ash Ra Temple > > --- > >Acid Mothers Temple - La Novia > >Acid Mothers Temple - In C > >Agitation Free - At the Cliffs of the River Rhine > >Pharaoh Overlord - #1 > >SubArachnoid Space - The Sleeping Sickness > > > >Intense, layered, mostly instrumental, guitar-based spacerock. > > I only discovered Ash Ra Tempel relatively recently- I knew the name for > aeons, but my first exposure to their music was at the Manuel > Gottsching/Klaus Schulze reunion gig (under the ART name) at the RFH a few > years ago... which wasn't great- noodly chillout music, nice enough but > nothing special (that performance was released as a live album, Gin Rose, > though I've never heard it). Anyway I gave them the benefit of the doubt > and sometime later picked up the first Ash Ra Tempel album (probably > because I saw it going cheap somewhere, thus are a few great purchases and > some not-so-great ones made) and it is as you say an absolute classic, a > thousand times better than the concert I'd seen. The only other one I have > is "Join Inn", which- naff title aside- is of a similar standard (similar > format too- two side-long pieces, first side freaked-out jamming enlivened > by Schulze's incredible drumming, second side much more meditative, almost > devotional). For what use an additional perspective may be, I have these two and also _Schwingungen_; I listen to the first one most of all, and _Join Inn_ probably the least, perhaps because of the amount of Das Ludicroix I have which does broadly similar stuff, albeit with less electronics and not quite such frantic playing. More form however. Anyway. _Schwingungen_ doesn't have Klaus Schulze on it and makes up for it with an entire additional band, which I believe is Agitation Free, so the sound is more packed. This one's an occasional thing fr me, there are times when it disagrees with me and times when it's just right, but its first track is very fragile and slowly-building blues and its third track is a long piece ending in a Floydian vocal like `Saucerful of Secrets', which really is more or less equivalent to what `Alpha Centauri' is on the epnoymous Tangerine Dream album, very kosmische. The trouble spot is the second track (I can't remember any titles but I think this may be `Flowers Must Die') which is a fairly fierce freak-out with really quite stressful vocals and there are only times when this seems like a thing worth listenoing to to me. I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting _Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. Anyway, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 4 15:39:14 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:39:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel (was: Re: My Top 10 Space albums) Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:21:38 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting >_Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. Anyway, yours, I'd agree that 'Seven Up' would be the one to get if you like the other three of the first four. In my message yesterday, I forgot to mention that there was also a 6-CD set of Ash Ra Tempel 'Private Tapes', almost half of which is live from '71 & '73, both trios with Klaus Schulze on drums (and occasional, but sadly inaudible keyboard/synth). Pretty lo-fi, but well worth it for fans of the first four albums ... (I'm pretty sure that the set is out-of-print, which makes it fair trade game for me) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 4 22:55:38 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:55:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Electronic Cottage, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 5, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Electronic Cottage (show #10), Alchemical Radio (show #76), and Drool Trough (show #22). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Electronic Cottage (show #10) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we review at Aural Innovations. The Electronic Cottage is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Hal McGee & Rick Franecki - "The Plate Trembles and Produces an Apple" (from Moon Egg Rabbit Star) Hal McGee (with Brian Noring) - "Journey Through A Brain" (from Excursions) Tantroniq - "Exodus Machina" (from Mantra Machine) Austerity - "Austerity III" (from Austerity) Loki - track 4 (from Possessed By Demons) Marcel Herms & Marc van Elburg - "Singalongasylumsong" (from Feedback Distortion) National Holographic - "Event Horizon" (excerpt) (from Event Horizon) Steve Nicholas - "Journey Through Somewhere Else" (from Same Space But Sometimes Another Place) Jorge Cortez - "Seven Rounds" (from Tree of Life) Prospero - track 13 (from Fibonacci) Arbeitsgemeinschaft Fruchttanz und Artverwandte Orgien - "Ekstatische Gef?hle durch Scharbockskraut" (from Fisch zum Fr?hst?ck) Artridge - "Infusion" (from Finished Soundtracks for Unshot Films) Alchemical Radio (show #76) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Elliot Levine - "Bladum" Eric Blakely - "Kensington" Flyboy & The Rhythm Bandits - "Edgy O' Rourke" Geoff Oelsner - "Double World" Going Some Place - "Haven" Greg Segal - "Alone" Guitar Junkie - "Taratula Blues" Jelinek Horst Attila - "Natural" H.R. Funk N' Puff - "Closing The Circle" The Insane Picnic - "The Awkward Cage" Jen Gloeckner - "Glue" Jimmy Sparks & The Mist - "Dreams" Jonah - "Tremor # 7" Josh Williams - "Untitled 1" Kathy Compton - "Time" Kenny Butterill - "Balsam Lake" Keven Brennan - "Martian Jellybeans" Liam Macdonald - "Eagle & Snake" Drool Trough (show #22) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Sons of Armageddon - "Hoels" (from The Softest Touch) Absolute Grey - "Elements" (from Greenhouse 20th Anniversary Expanded Edition) Tantroniq - "Forgotten" (from Mantra Machine) Hedaya - "The Last Optimist" (from This Is Where I Keep It) The Skygreen Leopards - "Egyptian Rosemarie" (from Life & Love in Sparrow's Meadow) Sparkydog - "Bright Apple Sun" (from Soul Shine) Two Separate Gorillas - "Tap Dancing In A Mine Field" (from Two Separate Gorillas) Foetus - "Miracle" (from Love EP) Coyote - "Crab Legs For Chords" (from Coyote) Brother JT - "Easier To Smile" (from Off Blue) S. Peters - "The Ordered Course" (from The 4th Day) Rick Ray - "Chainsaw Manicure" (from Chainsaw Manicure) Rotcod Zzaj & Eric Wallack - "Deranged Organ" (from Zee Zzaj Zinger) Charles Rice Goff III - "The Winstones" (from Bacterial Culture) Charles Rice Goff III - "Chocolate Moose" (from Bacterial Culture) The Impossible Shapes - "The Beast" (from Horus) Macaque - "I Wanna Be Your Failure" (from Macaque) Artridge - "Delos-One Way, Slight Return" (from Finished Soundtracks for Unshot Films) One for Jude - "The Punishment of the White Rose" (from H?lice) The Insane Picnic - "Goin' Down To The Ocean" (from This Is The Winter Darkness) http://Aural-Innovations.com From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Sun Dec 5 10:31:13 2004 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:31:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting >_Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. > I strongly recommend "Hear before buying" for _Seven Up_. It's not really ART, just Manuel with a bunch of other musicians and Timothy Leary on vocals and refreshments. An interesting historical document, but not Gottsching's best. John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 5 11:56:03 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:56:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: <41AAED60.1080903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 29-Nov-2004 09:21, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I tend to use abebooks as my first stop for genuinely out-of-print > books, or books published further outside the English-speaking world > (though I've occasionally hit up Amazon.fr or Amazon.de). Abebooks have > a .com and a .co.uk site, and the UK site optionally lets me list > results with UK sellers first if I _really_ want it fast (though the > weak dollar means even with shipping things from outside the UK are > usually cheaper, if I can wait a couple of weeks -- which I generally can). ABE are pretty good, and also quite responsible about banning sellers who don't actually send stuff and pressing for compensation on your behalf and so on. It's run by a pair of conscientious Canadians whom we always found pleasant to deal with. If you're looking for serious obscura, however, I recommend , for two reasons; firstly, they have a more European basis than ABE, so you can often find equally cheap shipping on stuff from e. g. Germany or the Netherlands; and secondly, ABE list through them, so you're actually just broadening your search rather than looking somewhere different. The downsides are that the operation is more anonymous and less accountable, they don't deal direct with their sellers so won't go to town on them for you if the sellers fail to deliver and so on, and that given that it lists ABE and several other resellers, for anything other than complete obscura, the rather less subtle search engine it uses will drown you in hits. ABE tell you more about the books and provide a better service, but Bookfinder will find stuff they can't. If you're after German stuff, meanwhile, you should cut out the middleman and go direct to , and similarly with Spanish stuff , neither of whom seem to list through other sites but do have stuff you won't find elsewhere. Disclaimer: I learnt all this by working for people who list through these sites, so I could be said to have a bias if I were still working for them. See if you recognise the prose style on any of the book descriptions :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Man or Astroman? - _Made From Technetium_ ("it's radioactive, so watch your fingers!") -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Sun Dec 5 17:20:35 2004 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulahtd) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:20:35 -0000 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle Message-ID: Evening All The Hawks played an excellent set last night lots of new material (hooray) Outstanding items were Digital Nation, Angela Android ,To Love a machine, and Greenback Massacre as well as a spoken track to start delivered my Mr. Dibs. Wasnt sure about the dancers though but they added a bit to the theatricals. Nice to hear Uncle Sams on Mars again could have done without Assasins of Allah is it just me or could it do with a rest. Got the new Xmas single very good worth it for the live version of Angela alone. Got one of the Hawkwind Fleeces they are ultra cool we are talking the final word in designer are for this season. Cant wait until Manchester. Brian From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Dec 5 18:33:45 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:33:45 -0500 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle Message-ID: Hej, What was the Xmas single? Cheers Stephe > > From: Brian Coulahtd > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 05:20:35 EST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle > > Evening All > The Hawks played an excellent set last night lots of new > material (hooray) Outstanding items were Digital Nation, Angela Android ,To > Love a machine, and Greenback Massacre as well as a spoken track to start > delivered my Mr. Dibs. Wasnt sure about the dancers though but they added a > bit to the theatricals. Nice to hear Uncle Sams on Mars again could have > done without Assasins of Allah is it just me or could it do with a rest. > Got the new Xmas single very good worth it for the live version of Angela > alone. Got one of the Hawkwind Fleeces they are ultra cool we are talking > the final word in designer are for this season. Cant wait until Manchester. > Brian > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 6 11:27:58 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:27:58 GMT Subject: Is this an official box set? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14732& item=4057385275&rd=1 From youless at COX.NET Mon Dec 6 11:41:06 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:41:06 -0500 Subject: Is this an official box set? Message-ID: Yes...reviewed here (FWIW): http://www.starfarer.net/wttf2003.html Did you get to the Newcastle gig, Mike? Any chance of a set list? Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:27:58 GMT, M Holmes wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=14732&item=4057385275&rd=1 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Dec 6 11:43:58 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:43:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amazon Deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05-Dec-2004 16:56, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I recommend , for two > reasons; firstly, they have a more European basis than ABE, so you can > often find equally cheap shipping on stuff from e. g. Germany or the > Netherlands [...] ABE > tell you more about the books and provide a better service, but Bookfinder > will find stuff they can't. > If you're after German stuff, meanwhile, you should cut out the > middleman and go direct to , and similarly with > Spanish stuff , neither of whom seem to list > through other sites but do have stuff you won't find elsewhere. These things are definitely worth knowing (if, yes, somewhat off topic for BOC-L :) I've added the URLs to my usual collection of bookbuying links :) Ta! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 6 12:04:02 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:04:02 GMT Subject: Is this an official box set? In-Reply-To: Steve Youles's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: Steve Youles writes: > Yes...reviewed here (FWIW): http://www.starfarer.net/wttf2003.html Thanks. > Did you get to the Newcastle gig, Mike? Aye. They were gie canny mind. > Any chance of a set list? Errr, Jill was writing 'em down, but from a somewhat hazy memory: Spirit of the Age Psychedelic Warlords Greenback Massacre Sword of the East To Love a Machine Angels of Death Hassan I Sabha/ Space is Their Palestine Ten Seconds of Forever Angela Android Letter From Robert (Ode to a Time Flower with some noodling) Brainstorm Welcome to the Future Brainbox Pollution Master of the Universe There were 3 or 4 other tracks but I don't have time to rack my brain right now... Stars of the show were Angela Android, To Love a Machine and Brainbox Pollution. Hassan sounded a biot weak due to lack of the violin but the Palestine insert was a variation on the usual and was very good. Angels of Death doesn't fit the mood of the set at all. Nice to hear 10 Seconds again and a bit of a surprise not to follow it with Brainstorm. FoFP From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 14:17:28 2004 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:17:28 -0000 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle Message-ID: What's the deal with the Christmas single? Do we need to take our passport to get it? Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Coulahtd" To: Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle > Evening All > The Hawks played an excellent set last night lots of new > material (hooray) Outstanding items were Digital Nation, Angela Android ,To > Love a machine, and Greenback Massacre as well as a spoken track to start > delivered my Mr. Dibs. Wasnt sure about the dancers though but they added a > bit to the theatricals. Nice to hear Uncle Sams on Mars again could have > done without Assasins of Allah is it just me or could it do with a rest. > Got the new Xmas single very good worth it for the live version of Angela > alone. Got one of the Hawkwind Fleeces they are ultra cool we are talking > the final word in designer are for this season. Cant wait until Manchester. > Brian > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 6 14:36:05 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:36:05 GMT Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: Alan Taylor's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:17:28 -0000 Message-ID: Alan Taylor writes: > What's the deal with the Christmas single? Do we need to take our passport > to get it? I didn't need mine. Next year though, you'll need a biometric ID card just to go to Newcastle. That's if Blunkett is still Home Secretary after giving First Class rail tickets paid for by the taxpayers to his floosie. Let's see: Howard, Straw, Blunkett... There's a definite progression towards Uber_Authoritarianism there. Who the hell can they find to fill the slot? To top Blunkett, they'd have to let Saddam out of jail. FoFP From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 14:42:47 2004 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (brian Coullthard) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:42:47 -0000 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <025601c4dbc8$3b012750$77a22952@al74ybgib5c6h8> Message-ID: The only thing you need to present to get the single is a five pound note and money well spent if you ask me -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor Sent: 06 December 2004 19:17 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW:last night in Newcastle What's the deal with the Christmas single? Do we need to take our passport to get it? > From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 14:48:51 2004 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (brian Coullthard) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:48:51 -0000 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <20041205233345.TAF18426.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: The single is a four track on the Hawkwind record label Hawk SR002 it comes in a clear plastic sleeve. The first track is entitled Chrismas treat and is a version of we wish you a merry Xmas, Track 2 is a live version of Angela Android, track 3 is The secret knowledge of Water an instrumental with some excellent guitar, Track four is Ritual Breathing another instumental. It has Seasons greetings from Deep Space on the label which is red with silver writing. Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: 05 December 2004 23:34 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW:last night in Newcastle Hej, What was the Xmas single? Cheers Stephe > > From: Brian Coulahtd > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 05:20:35 EST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle > > Evening All > The Hawks played an excellent set last night lots of > new material (hooray) Outstanding items were Digital Nation, Angela > Android ,To Love a machine, and Greenback Massacre as well as a spoken > track to start delivered my Mr. Dibs. Wasnt sure about the dancers > though but they added a bit to the theatricals. Nice to hear Uncle > Sams on Mars again could have done without Assasins of Allah is it > just me or could it do with a rest. Got the new Xmas single very good > worth it for the live version of Angela alone. Got one of the Hawkwind > Fleeces they are ultra cool we are talking the final word in designer > are for this season. Cant wait until Manchester. Brian > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Dec 6 14:54:29 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:54:29 +0100 Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <000501c4dbcc$9c40f2d0$0b839a51@259ES00ORX> Message-ID: Thanks for this exact description Brian !! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of brian Coullthard Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:49 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW:last night in Newcastle The single is a four track on the Hawkwind record label Hawk SR002 it comes in a clear plastic sleeve. The first track is entitled Chrismas treat and is a version of we wish you a merry Xmas, Track 2 is a live version of Angela Android, track 3 is The secret knowledge of Water an instrumental with some excellent guitar, Track four is Ritual Breathing another instumental. It has Seasons greetings from Deep Space on the label which is red with silver writing. Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: 05 December 2004 23:34 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW:last night in Newcastle Hej, What was the Xmas single? Cheers Stephe > > From: Brian Coulahtd > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 05:20:35 EST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW:last night in Newcastle > > Evening All > The Hawks played an excellent set last night lots of > new material (hooray) Outstanding items were Digital Nation, Angela > Android ,To Love a machine, and Greenback Massacre as well as a spoken > track to start delivered my Mr. Dibs. Wasnt sure about the dancers > though but they added a bit to the theatricals. Nice to hear Uncle > Sams on Mars again could have done without Assasins of Allah is it > just me or could it do with a rest. Got the new Xmas single very good > worth it for the live version of Angela alone. Got one of the Hawkwind > Fleeces they are ultra cool we are talking the final word in designer > are for this season. Cant wait until Manchester. Brian > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 18:53:58 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:53:58 -0000 Subject: HW: one night in Newcastle Message-ID: Probably haven't got everything cos I'm not sure of the new titles yet but my (almost illegible - what was I doing?!) scribblings read: Spirit of the Age (as the first number it was too early for everyone to want to sing the chorus and in a seated venue it takes a while for folk to relax so it was more of a straight track) - a couple of dancers wrapped in white muslin slowly unwrapped themselves - I wondered if we were going to have a dance sequence of gestation through childhood into adulthood and then androidness - but it didn't seem to work out that way. Sword of the East (slightly a surprise) slide show of daggers in orange light - the dancers did a slo-mo fight sequence - a bit like a Matrix type display. Greenback Massacre - don't think the dancers were on stage for this one Psychedelic Warlords after a techno intro - I've written BLANGA here so it was pretty tight and solid Uncle Sam's on Mars - I enjoyed this one - tight and fast but the dancers must have been doing something strange I couldn't make sense of! Then Dave had a comment on Newcastle's apparently rather miserable football afternoon - losing comprehensively to Chelsea I think Then a spacey instrumental with electronic saxaphone included - is this Wave upon Wave? Nice but couldn't put a name to it - the dancers had a green ball they played with. A track about computer game wars - with video of Pac-Man images marching down the walls Assassins of Allah - with prancing dancers (can't remember if this was when they were acting out childish tantrums with each other? or maybe it was the one where the guy is acting dreamy and vague while the girl is trying to practice their acrobatic act - which would be relevant for this track) - but the video of dancing smoke was delightful - just like that orange juice advert where the juice becomes alive and twists and dances and flows. Angels of Life/Death - very heavy Ode to a Timeflower - I hadn't realised this was also Letter to Robert - the Ode was much better than earlier versions - Calvert's voice was really clear you could hear his intonation and - bizarrely - even though it was from a computer it was astonishingly hypnotic - I found myself really listening to it, unexpectedly so. To Love a Machine - enjoyed this very much and there was some lovely acoustic guitar background throughout parts of it that worked really well. Either this track or the later one had the dancers acting out a love-lorne guy rejected by a huffy android Then Dibs came on and recited 10 Seconds of Forever - always nice to hear this Angela Android - this was excellent and everyone in the audience seemed to be thoroughly enjoying themselves by now (management was pretty severe on not allowing folk to stand and dance but it was a seated venue so they really had no choice) Finally Brainstorm - I thought this was going to be a short version but there was an electronic break in the middle I didn't recognise before it finished off. Encore was: Brainbox Pollution - this was good and the dancers did an excellent lively act in 1950s(?) dress - this worked very well Masters of the Universe - I was well taken with this version - thoroughly enjoyed it Welcome And that was it. A full 2 hour show and very very satisfactory. I don't usually enjoy seated venues but the Tyne Theatre has a good intimate seating arrangement so you don't feel too far from the stage but you can relax as well. Saw Kris and loads of other folk afterwards but we had to drive back to Edinburgh so there wasn't time to stay and chat but it was definitely worth the journey down, even though I ended up spending loads of money 8-( But the t-shirt has a nice flying saucer and alien image - the CD single was a delightful surprise - and the fleece with its embroidered Hawkwind logo I'm really pleased to have. Don't know whether to keep it safe in the cupboard unused or wear it and show it off to everyone! Think it'll be the latter somehow. A good evening in all jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Is this an official box set? > Steve Youles writes: > >> Yes...reviewed here (FWIW): >> http://www.starfarer.net/wttf2003.html > > Thanks. > >> Did you get to the Newcastle gig, Mike? > > Aye. They were gie canny mind. > >> Any chance of a set list? > > Errr, Jill was writing 'em down, but from a somewhat hazy memory: > > Spirit of the Age > Psychedelic Warlords > Greenback Massacre > Sword of the East > To Love a Machine > Angels of Death > Hassan I Sabha/ Space is Their Palestine > Ten Seconds of Forever > Angela Android > Letter From Robert (Ode to a Time Flower with some noodling) > Brainstorm > Welcome to the Future > > Brainbox Pollution > Master of the Universe > > > There were 3 or 4 other tracks but I don't have time to rack my > brain > right now... > > Stars of the show were Angela Android, To Love a Machine and > Brainbox > Pollution. > > Hassan sounded a biot weak due to lack of the violin but the > Palestine > insert was a variation on the usual and was very good. Angels of > Death > doesn't fit the mood of the set at all. Nice to hear 10 Seconds > again > and a bit of a surprise not to follow it with Brainstorm. > > FoFP > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 7 11:57:04 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:57:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > LOL; the full setlist was: > > Intro > Twinstar > Destroy the Mothership > The Tempest Yeah, I'm clearer about this now, I thought that was going to be `Invader' and then it wasn't so I scribbled it out on my setlist, hence confusion. > Dreams of Space > (Theta Wave) Inductor Excuse my brain failure there, got it mixed up with `Stone Oscillator' but that was what I meant. > Sonic Light > Under the Sign Hang on, hang on, I may be prematurely demented but no way did I imagine `Evil' there. Is it now being used as a coda to the coda of `Under the Sign'? Not that I mind as long as it turns up somewhere... > Twiddly Synthy Bit (while band recover and Huw is prepared for action!) > Infinity Drive > Waiting for Tomorrow > Motorway City > Moonglum > Magnu Not sure how I forgot that, but it isn't really reconstructible from my scrawl :-) > Needle Gun > Right Stuff (Encore) > > T-shirts? Ah, yes...T-shirts! We are working on designs and hope (plan) to > have them ready very early in the new year. Hurrah! > On another track, the wonderful Julian Cope has selected "You Are Here" as > his "Album of the Month" for December; a review will be appearing on his > site http://www.headheritage.co.uk. There is also a review in the latest > edition of Terrorizer. That Julian Cope review is a piece of work, isn't it... He says several things I more or less agree with and then rants for a paragraph in such a way that I wonder if he's listening to the same album. And then the cycle goes round again... He definitely hears things in his own framework. Like many things in the music world, it's close enough to what I'd like to see done that it annoys me for not being that, but at least in the case of reviewing I could do my own version. I think he and I are in broad agreement on the basics of the matter, however, viz that the album kicks arse and that it's full of indications that even better may yet follow. Yours, Jon ObCD: Litmus - _You Are Here_ (as luck would have it) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Dec 8 12:38:06 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:38:06 -0500 Subject: CDs (and one video) for sale Message-ID: There are a LOT of good CDs here, as well as some rare stuff (along with the usual sale/trade fodder :-), so take a good look. Unless it says differently, the CD's are $8 each. I'm in the US and take checks, money orders and paypal from US banks. If you are overseas, we'll discuss payment separately. Buyer pays shipping. Electronic Music and related Boddy, Ian ? Shrouded Decapolis - 2nd Flight Decapolis - The River FFWD ? s/t (very rare, featuring Fripp and the Orb) - $20 Franke, Christopher - Universal Soldier Glass, Philip - Hydrogen Jukebox Gottsching, Manuel / Ashra - Dreams & Desire v/a - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Free System Projekt, Air Sculpture, Dave Brewer, Bill Fox) Keller & Schonwalder - The Reason Why - Live at the Jodrell Bank Kistenmacher, Bernd - Starting Again Kruger, Klaus ? Collection O?Hearn, Patrick - Rivers Gonna Rise (sealed) Roach, Steve - On this Planet Schulze, Klaus ? Moondawn Strawe, Joerg ? Jewels Sylvian & Czukay - Plight & Premonition Tales - Interstellar Memories Tyndall, Nik - Voices of Asia Progressive Rock, Space Rock, Progressive Metal, etc. Abiogenesi - Le Notti di Salem Acron - Labyrinth of Fears Alien Planetscapes - Life on Earth Annalist ? Memories Ant-Bee - Lunar Muzik Aragon - The Meeting Assassins of Silence - Hundred-Watt Violence Bal Sagoth - The Power Cosmic Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso ? s/t Bensusan & Malherbe - Live in Paris Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other Side Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth Blind Guardian - Tales from the Twilight World Cairo - Conflict and Dreams Cairo ? s/t Caravan - Ether Way Clearlight - Visions Comma - Elusive Dreams Cruachan - The Middle Kingdom Crystal Maze - Waiting in the Spider?s Web Deadline - Dressed to Kill Devil Doll - The Girl who was Death Eldritch - El NinoEloy ? Inside Eloy - Power and the Passion Eloy ? Rarities Evil Wings - Colors of the New World Fish - Internal Exile CD single French, Sally - The Other Side Furia - Un Lac de Larmes et de Sang GB Arts - Return to Forever Gentle Giant - Live Rome 1974 Group 87 - A Career in Dada Processing Hall, Daryl - Sacred Songs Harper, Roy - Burn the World However - Sudden Dusk Ines - Hunting the Fox Infernal Dreams - And I Dream . Into Eternity - Buried in Oblivion Jadis ? Somersault Janos Varga Project - The Wings of Revelation Jester?s Crown - Above the Storm Jester?s Crown ? Away Legacy - Where We Go Lethal - Poison Seed Livgren, Kerry - Time Line Livgren, Kerry/AD - Prime Mover Louise Brooks ? Timelock Maeve of Connacht - Imaginary Tales Mandra Gora Lightshow Society - Beyond the Mushroam Gate Mercyful Fate - Dead Again Moonlight ? Candra Mundanus Imperium ? The Spectral Spheres Coronation Mystic Fishook - Electric Skies Nektar - The Prodigal Son New Trolls ? UT Nightsky Bequest - Keep the Lonelytrees Nightsky Bequest - Of Sea - Wind and Farewell Nolan & Wakeman ? Jabberwocky North Star ? Tempest Numan, Gary - Dream Corrosion (2CD) - $10 Pangaea - The Rite of Passage Paragone ? s/t Phillips, Anthony - Finger Painting Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (Japanese ?Black Label? pressing) ? make me an offer, this is quite rare Plastic People of the Universe ? 1997 Ponty, Jean Luc ? Tchokola Ramses - Light Fantastic Rivendel ? Manifesto Rush - Moving Pictures (gold MSFL CD) ? make me an offer Sagrado - A Leste Do Sol - Geste da Lua Secret Sphere - Scent of Human Desire Silent Force ? Infatuator Spectrum - Soul Kiss (Glide Divine) Starglow Energy - Gate to Celdan Steel Prophet ? Messiah Ten ? Spellbound Ten - The Name of the Rose Teru?s Symphonia - Do Androids Dream of Electric Camel? Thieve?s Kitchen ? Head Thorne ? Iago Top Left Corner ? Nowhere Transatlantic ? SMPTe Tristania - Beyond the Veil Tulipe Noire, La - In the Gates of Dream Twelth Night - Fact and Fiction Uriah Heep - The Magician?s Birthday (CD in mini LP package) Verdaux, Cyrille - Journey to Tantraland Where echoes end - My sweet grotesque Zello ? s/t Video (VHS, NTSC) Savior Machine - Live in Deutschland - $10 Soundtracks - Robot Carnival (very hard to find) - $20 Tributes v/a - Working Man, Rush Tribute - $6 Comedy Carlin, George - Classic Gold (2CD) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 8 13:21:10 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:21:10 EST Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel (was: Re: My Top 10 Space albums) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/04 11:23:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > > For what use an additional perspective may be, I have these two > and also _Schwingungen_; I listen to the first one most of all, and _Join > Inn_ probably the least, perhaps because of the amount of Das Ludicroix I > have which does broadly similar stuff, albeit with less electronics and > not quite such frantic playing. More form however. Anyway. _Schwingungen_ > doesn't have Klaus Schulze on it and makes up for it with an entire > additional band, which I believe is Agitation Free, so the sound is more > packed. This one's an occasional thing fr me, there are times when it > disagrees with me and times when it's just right, but its first track is > very fragile and slowly-building blues and its third track is a long piece > ending in a Floydian vocal like `Saucerful of Secrets', which really is > more or less equivalent to what `Alpha Centauri' is on the epnoymous > Tangerine Dream album, very kosmische. The trouble spot is the second > track (I can't remember any titles but I think this may be `Flowers Must > Die') which is a fairly fierce freak-out with really quite stressful > vocals and there are only times when this seems like a thing worth > listenoing to to me. but, but, but...that's the best bit!! The "Centrepiece"!! ARG!!!! AYAAAAYAGAYAYARAAAHAHHH!!!!!!!!! (i'm not really that upset, more trying to emulating that vocal...didn't do a great job, did I?) (DIE, DIE, DIE, DIE...Die, Die, Die, Die...die die die die...) oh well. wow, scary, i'm starting to sound like Mumford... > > I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting > _Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. Anyway, yours, > Jon > > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 8 13:23:23 2004 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:23:23 EST Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel Message-ID: In a message dated 12/5/04 7:43:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU writes: > > I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting > >_Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. > > > I strongly recommend "Hear before buying" for _Seven Up_. It's not > really ART, just Manuel with a bunch of other musicians and Timothy > Leary on vocals and refreshments. An interesting historical document, > but not Gottsching's best. > > John McIntyre > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > > tsk, tsk, tsk... Maybe not Manny's best, but definitely ART and T. Leary's by far... :) And how could i have forgotten "Planeten Sit-in"?? thanks, doug. c From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 8 16:55:16 2004 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:55:16 -0000 Subject: "LIVE AT GLASTONBURY" Judge Trev and jaki Windmill - new RFM album Message-ID: Ahar John, Jaki Windmill is (or was) by far and away the best vocalist in Space Ritual. I don't think she was actually allowed to "sing" with that band though. She is also a competent multi instrumentalist and a very talented songwriter. I was surprised at her talents - which is why I'm playing duo stuff with her (She's got a van too). She's also a bit mad, which helps as well. You write very good reviews don't you - I mean accurate ones. In one of your reviews you even noticed the bass playing of Terry Horbury (You didn't know his name) who sometimes plays with Outskirts of Infinity. Yes, he often "carries" bands by his superb playing and I think he's one of the best rock bass players in the country. Maybe you should review the MOAB album which may or may not ever see the light of day unless there's a major shift in the attitude of todays record companies (some hope). Contact me off-list if you want. Trev (Judge) Oh, you can get "Live at Glastonbury" (featuring Jaki Windmill), here: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: OFF: Re: "LIVE AT GLASTONBURY" Judge Trev and jaki Windmill - new RFM album > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, trev wrote: > >> LIVE AT GLASTONBURY >> JUDGE TREV and JAKI WINDMILL >> >> Recorded live at the pedal generator powered Mandala Marquee at >> Glastonbury Fest 2004, this milestone album is a CDR of the their >> first ever gig as a duo. Jaki will surprise you with her beautiful >> "meadow lark" vocals as well as her songwriting talents. Towards the >> end of the gig, who should walk in but Hawkwind's Ron Tree who took >> the stage and performed a couple of acoustic solo songs, including >> "Negative Positive", one of his latest compositions. > > The Ron stuff sounds interesting but it has to be said, with no > offence meant to the Rt Hon Judge, I would indeed be surprised by Jaki's > "beautiful" vocals as the only noise I've ever heard her produce is > an ill-timed and atonal screech. Perhaps she thinks that's what Space > Ritual really needs, but I beg to differ. There is stuff I need to get > from RFM, but I might wait a while on this one. > > What we need[1] from RFM is Bajina/ICH/whatever-the-Judge- > Trev/Ron-combo is currently called up and gigging, because that'd be > fabulous. Put them on a double bill with Litmus, see who goes fastest > :-) Yours, > Jon > > [1] Obviously when I say "we need", I mean "I want", but phrased in some > way that makes it seem as if that's actually a good enough reason for it > to be organised. > > ObCD: Litmus - _You Are Here_ > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Dec 9 14:11:30 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:11:30 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Boss video footage Message-ID: Watch cities burn here: http://www.cellsum.com/SurgeonsatArlenes04.mov --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com NP: The Phonies, "Down in the Well" From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Dec 9 20:33:51 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:33:51 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Bring on the rockin'! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons head into the studio in downtown Manhattan to record their eighth album December 18 with master engineer, Paul Special, once again behind the board. This recording will have all new music, no covers, just the kick ass material written during the summer 2004. Some may see these songs as a change of direction for the band but others will see it as a natural evolution given the history of it's newest member. Prepare to be surprised. A video clip of the Brain Surgeons first official gig with Ross the Boss is available here. It's a bit dark and small but the sound is pretty good and you can get an idea of how the Boss roasts the chestnuts From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Dec 9 21:03:45 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: 10th Anniversary? or another first? Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons have released a retrospective of their recorded career. This statement might be true, but it is not quite accurate. Why? Few groups can has the boasting rights to sounding "as good, if not better" than they their initial formation with consistency. Look at the Yardbirds, 'fer instance - their arc across audio heaven was small and all over the place, crashing with finality when Mr. Page joined the group. In the Brain Surgeon's case there have been expansions and contractions which would have crippled others faced with similar circumstances. There's no 'death knell' for a functioning recording unit in this digital showcase. Indeed, and quite shrewdly planned, the initial three song salvo of tunes recorded with Ross the Boss revisits and kicks the past's ass. Of particular note is how well his approach fits into now hallowed Oyster Cult songs, and how drastically it changes them. "Vera Gemini" feels like a song that needs to be played live, while it used to "not quite" get there. This sense of transformation, if not moreso, can be felt for "Lady of the Harbor," a dame who now enters a third and more fully 'self aware' incarnation of NYC streetitude. Bookending the project is the tune from the band's infancy, so to speak. David Roter's superbly heavy, witty, and wise contribution about lookin' like John Denver is much like a blueprint for the founding of this group as it exists now. But more than that its flurry of styles finds settled, more concise explorations of its musical and lyrical themes in the rest of the 'best of', too. Selection wise, I admit I'm suprised -- Victory Boulevard,for example, would not have struck me as a choice. However, given that this album is not a 'best of' in a strict sense, but more a State of the Union, the tune does slide nicely into the cumulative groove. And groove it does. I would not label this band "traditional"; like the spirit of rock and roll that blew apart dance floors and inhibitions in the days of yore, this assemblage of musicianship, personalities and committment does not sit still long enough for any dust to settle. So, if you want to experience a thunderstorm for the first time, play this album. If you want to remember what it was like the first time, play this album. Hear and you shall receive. Jason From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 01:19:27 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:19:27 EST Subject: HW: one night in Newcastle Message-ID: Thanks Jill!! Good one. Best regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 01:22:25 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:22:25 EST Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: any tapes;)?? bill From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 04:19:55 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:19:55 +0000 Subject: HW: one night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <67.39d62fcf.2eea99ef@aol.com> Message-ID: I take it from this that Jill Sent a review to the Listserv. Yet another mail I didnt get. Is this Listserv still having problems, most of my mails never reach the audience. In the faint hope this one will make it, I'll be at Swindon tonight. Looking forward to a brilliant set, I love the 3 piece. Iain - disappearing in smoke Stewartbas/M at AOL.COM wrote on 12/10/2004, 6:19 AM: > Thanks Jill!! Good one. > > Best regards, > Bill Stewart > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 10 05:33:17 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:33:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel In-Reply-To: <41B329C1.4020404@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, John McIntyre wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting > >_Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. > > > I strongly recommend "Hear before buying" for _Seven Up_. It's not > really ART, just Manuel with a bunch of other musicians and Timothy > Leary on vocals and refreshments. An interesting historical document, > but not Gottsching's best. You have me worried now. Is Hartmut Enke on it? That's quite an important factor. Also, who's drumming? I don't need forty minutes of continuous Gottsching by himself, in fact that sounds quite bad though not as bad as several other name guitarists perhaps, as long as there's something else going on with the rhythm section... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 10 07:22:47 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:52:47 +1030 Subject: OT - SPACE MIRRORS XMmas greetings Message-ID: Greetings all, While the guest musicians are finishing their work we would like to present you a special Xmas feature of the finished songs here. Every week before Xmas we will upload a new song. They will be on website until mid-January. Today we present "Travelling to the Core" featuring Alisa Coral - synths, bass, drums; Michael Blackman - lead and rhythm guitars; Keith Kniveton - MiniMoog solo. Music by Alisa Coral. Keith Kniveton plays on Tim Blake's legendary modified minimoog and I have to say it really does sound magnificent. I received this track tonight and have been playing it over and over. The mix is fantastic. You can easily find your way to this sample by clicking the link below: http://www.spacemirrors.com/ then clicking on the "NEWS" button on the left hand side of the page. Regards The Space Mirrors crew. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 10 07:57:25 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:57:25 GMT Subject: HW: one night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:53:58 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Probably haven't got everything cos I'm not sure of the new titles > yet but my (almost illegible - what was I doing?!) scribblings > read: > > Spirit of the Age (as the first number Dibs read some of Calvert's stuff just before that. > it was too early for > everyone to want to sing the chorus I think a few down in the stalls did. > and in a seated venue it takes > a while for folk to relax so it was more of a straight track) - a > couple of dancers wrapped in white muslin slowly unwrapped > themselves - I wondered if we were going to have a dance sequence > of gestation through childhood into adulthood and then > androidness - but it didn't seem to work out that way. It's a good idea though. FoFP From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Dec 10 10:34:09 2004 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:34:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, John McIntyre wrote: > > >>Jon Jarrett wrote: >> >> >> >>> I do need more ART though. Just haven't got round to getting _Seeven Up_ yet which I think is the obvious choice. >>> >>> >>> >>I strongly recommend "Hear before buying" for _Seven Up_. It's not really ART, just Manuel with a bunch of other musicians and Timothy Leary on vocals and refreshments. An interesting historical document, but not Gottsching's best. >> >> > > You have me worried now. Is Hartmut Enke on it? That's quite an important factor. Also, who's drumming? I don't need forty minutes of continuous Gottsching by himself, in fact that sounds quite bad though not as bad as several other name guitarists perhaps, as long as there's something else going on with the rhythm section... > > Enke is on bass. Drums are credited to Dietmar Burmeister and Tommie Engel. Six people are credited with vocals. This is not a typical ART album. John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Dec 10 11:08:57 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:08:57 -0500 Subject: HW: It's Christmas! Message-ID: I'm wondering if a gentle person out there might be willing to pick up an extra tour shirt (size L) and the new single for myself, since I am stranded in the distant and mythical land of the USA. I will of course send some money, or paypal it even, or whatever.... John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Dec 10 14:05:53 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:05:53 +0100 Subject: HW: some; OFF: Latest s-o-c rant... Message-ID: Hoi z?me... I know it's been a long time since I last rapped at ya' (obligatory Jim Anchower reference, for all those fellow fans of Jim - anybody?)...but I've been too lazy lately to force myself to stay after work (it's already dark this time of day, and that's already depressing enough) and write anything much. But I've been (trying to) follow(ing) all the latest threads, and was *wanting* to contribute some wonderful bits of insight, but alas...words (or inspiration) failed me when it counted. So...in typical fashion, I'll just write a long stream of nonsense off the top of my head about what's been happening here, there, and any other place in the trans-dimensional world where music might be heard. Just to prove I *have* been paying attention (is there a test?), I have just now thrown on my brand new copy of Particle's "Launchpad" CD, which came in the mail yesterday. Thanks for the recommendation...I just bought it 'cause a few people here liked it, and I've been starving for something new and different. In fact, after the first two tracks (Track Three is just starting, and actually this one is damn good!), I see that this is *really* like Budapesti music (perhaps not so different then? Ah, no matter)...very much like the Colorstar/Korai Orom style of danceable hyperkinetic instrumental 'space.' Cool...I went to Budapest in the late summer to catch the HUGE Sziget Festival where I saw all my favorite Budapest bands, and discovered yet a couple more. Tanu Tuva (who I was completely unfamiliar with, going in) was especially fantastic, more Ozrics-like than this Particle band even, though I don't think they have any official CDs out yet. But watch for that name anyway. My review of the fest is up at A-I.com (latest issue, #29) if you want to peruse more...I'm not sure why, but the photo gallery for Sziget didn't get prepared in time to get added in. I'm not going to complain to Jerry (his job is tough enough), but maybe he'll find time during the next update to get that added in as well...I got a lot of cool photos, more than just the few that appear with the text. Of course, my reviews of both Herzberg fests are up there as well, with photo galleries in tact, the only minor error being the mis-ID of Ingo Bischof (he's the keyboard guy in the photo above the one where he's ID'd). Those were long enough ago that I'm not going to say much more about them just now. But of course, for those who want specifically to read about HW and HW-related things, you know certainly that they were the main headliners at BH, so of course, there's something there for you. As I noted there, the big 'find' of my time in Germany this past summer was Pothead, and I was lucky enough to see them again just last weekend here in Switzerland. This time I knew *all* the music they played though, 'cause I now have all six of the CDs that are still available (some of their earlier stuff is due for re-release according to their website). They are a three-piece from Berlin, though the guys up "front" are both from Seattle, WA originally. I would be tempted to say that they are a 'stoner' band, but they are not really very similar. And they are *absolutely* not a band that stretches out songs and does any improv. or jamming...just the opposite. Everything is down, dirty, and brief....their 2-hour show must have included 35 songs at least. But still...I love their power, riff construction, and lead singer Brad's voice (really strong and yet 'melodic' at the same time...again, unlike normal stoner-rock vocalists). Anyway, I got lots of good photos and will do a review for next A-I.com issue, so I won't bore you with any more details. If you look for CDs, search for either 'Dessicated Soup' or even better, 'Tuf Luv' (the newest studio, which while shorter, is brilliant). And the even newer 'Live in Berlin' is yet better, if you don't mind slightly muddier sound, and the occasional off note. I don't. So, let me now look at my calendar and remember what I've seen lately (so many concerts, I've forgotten them all!). Oh, yeah, I caught On Trial once more here in Winterthur, CH (I'll abbreviate Switzerland as CH from now on...less writing), and they were as strong as always. Didn't do photos or plan another review 'cause I've covered them twice at AI in the last year alone. Plus Scott H. writes about them as well, so they get plenty of 'face time' at AI. Just before that, I was in Munich for the "Swamp Room Happening" that included ColourHaze, Hypnos69, and Liquid Visions, among others. My review made it into AI#29 as well, so I won't go on about that here again. On 16.October, I was in Lahr, Schwarzwald (Black Forest) for the show with Trigon (from Karlsruhe) and Zone Six (from Berlin)...that was pretty cool too. Dave Schmidt, ex-bassist of Liquid Visions (and many other groups) and Martin Schorn are still in the band, but the guitarist HP Ringholz (also Liquid Visions) is out and so is the old drummer. So the four-piece now has two new guys, but they are still a 100% space-improv group of high quality. The new CD is pretty good too (Psychedelic Scripture) but is the old lineup, so the new guys will have to wait for their turn on disc. I didn't get my review done for this one, but I got good pictures and will get that done any day now. Trigon was pretty impressive too...much more so than my Herzberg '03 experience with them in the oppressive daytime heat. In fact, some of their tunes were actually quite spacey/psychedelic, whereas I had pegged them as just another 'prog-metal' band. That's not right..they're not very much like Dream Theater sort of stuff at all...my first impression was shockingly inaccurate in fact. The 2003 summer heat melted my brain I think. OK, I see here I went to the Zuerich airport (yeah, there's a concert club at the freaking *airport* in Zueri...komisch!) and saw the newest iteration of the Michael Schenker Group. Eh...who knows why? You know, sometimes 'stupid-drunk air-guitar music' just needs to be enjoyed without thinking about it too much. Especially if one gets stupid drunk at the time. Can't get too drunk there though, since the beers cost the equivalent of an average steak dinner in the US...or so it seemed. Anyway, I never knew who the hell the other guys in the band were, but who cares...everyone came just to see Schenker play his Flying V. They did lots of old UFO and Barden-era MSG stuff, and quite a lot of it came over well, so I was happy enough. In similar vein, I went to Basel to catch Saxon once more (my third time with them). I am quite surprised at how popular they continue to be here in CH! I'd say that there were about 1,000 there for that show...it was verging on uncomfortably crowded in there and that place (Z-7) is about the biggest concert club anywhere around here. Nothing much to report...they played about two hours, and missed hardly any of their best classic rock tunes...."Wheeeeeeeeelllls....Wheels of Steeeeeelllll." Sing it with me now. :) Oh wait...I was in Basel a couple days earlier to (supposedly) see the local stoner band Phased play at a place called the Wagenmeister, along with a St. Gallen (Ostschweiz) band called Cheamor Buddha. It was a weeknight though, so I had to leave even before Phased went on in order to get home with the last train. That pissed me off, 'cause they farted around for an extra 40 minutes before getting the show started, and so they ignored (in totally un-Swiss-like fashion) their own published start time. Also, the club has the tiniest stage & viewing area of any club I have ever seen in any country anywhere in the world. 15 people can comfortably fill the place it seemed. Cheamor Buddha were "OK", way too damn loud though (the limited size the obvious cause), and not the greatest songs. I *could* have stayed long enough to hear the first couple of songs from Phased maybe, but I decided to leave during the break, and leisurely make my way home, 'cause if I'd stayed then I would have been more pissed to leave during just the third song. Hopefully, I'll get to see them when Gas Giant comes down from Copenhagen to tour around with them in the spring of '05. The next week, the Ozrics were here in CH playing in Interlaken (two shows on consecutive nights), but it was the middle of the week, and it just didn't work out to get down there (it takes a while to get into the mountainous region of CH on the train). Bummer. But then on the 25th of November, the Soundtrack of our Lives came to play in Zueri (*much* closer!), and I made sure not to miss that show. I had one of their previous CDs (the one with the six plaster faces on it) and liked it, and then before the show, ordered their new CD in order to familiarize myself with the newest songs that they were likely to play that night. It's good too...kinda poppy at times, but they have a good energy and the music is crisp, well-produced, and well performed. Well, they're a major label band that has been nominated for a Grammy, so that's no surprise. Anyway, SOOL was another topic of conversation here at boc-l just recently, and some people had compared them to various bands. My take would be a mix of the Who, Velvet Underground, and the Beatles. I'd like to use somebody more 'modern' than that to use as comparison, but I'm afraid that would be largely unwarranted 'cause SOOL are pretty damn "late 60s" through and through. Anyway, their live concert was quite entertaining...they are yet more energetic and fun on stage, and did not disappoint. I would try to catch them any time they come your way, and I will do the same next tour. BTW, the song "Bigtime" from the new album is a song I might expect to be a big radio hit somewhere in the world...is it? I like it...poppy to the max, but psychy all the while. Two days later I was back at Z-7 in Basel for the Gathering, with Paatos opening. The Gathering I lambasted in my Sziget review, for reasons that I feel are justifiable. And they pretty much continued the same stupid trend of ignoring their most energetic songs for their current live set. I'm sure they must have gotten tired of playing the same songs year after year, but because each of the newer albums only *has* one or two sufficiently up-tempo numbers, they pretty much have forced themselves (if they actually would *do* the right thing, I mean) to playing these four or five songs every concert. Those would be "On Most Surfaces," "Third Chance," "Liberty Bell," and "Shot to Pieces," but sadly (again) they only did the first one of these (which was unquestionably the highlight of the show for *everybody* in the audience, not just me). The show was slightly better than in Budapest, but still they are a big disappointment lately. I think we will all see an extended hiatus of the Gathering for all of 2005 due to the fact that Anneke is obviously, uh, preggers. If *that* isn't the strangest sight I've ever seen on a rock stage!! (I mean, like four-five months at least.) And what a way to put the kibosh on the fantasies of all the horny guys in the audience...geez. Anyway, I mainly went to see Paatos, who I *must* admit are hardly much more energetic live than the Gathering were...but then they were the opener (and *shouldn't* (be able to) upstage the headliner), plus their show is actually 'true' to what is on their albums (i.e., they are not 'ignoring' their livelier music for their own self-indulgent reasons). They are Swedish and are related to other prog groups, including Landberk via bassist Stefan Dimle. He ran the merchandising himself after the show and so it was nice to talk to him about all things Swedish prog. In fact, he's the guy who runs (?) the Mellotronen label, and I bought two CDs by Trettioariga Kriget (one classic 70s reissue, one brand new 'reunion' disc). The next week I was really busy so I ended up missing out on seeing Hermano (stoner rock) in Bern and also very sadly Legendary Pink Dots in Basel. Yeah, the LPD show was in that same stupid Wagenmeister club...I can't *imagine* having as "big" a band as LPD play in that little rathole...seriously. I think that's an insult. I wasn't sure I would again see the whole concert, plus I was worried that I wouldn't even get *in* or be able to move around if there were even 80 people there. Plus, I guess LPD doesn't have a drummer anymore, so while that works on album (I have Wishing Well now, and there are, like always, some really good tracks and then a couple that I will soon start skipping over) I would really rather hear a live drummer at an actual gig. Still, it was a bummer to pass them up, but it just wasn't in the cards that night. Well, the aforementioned Pothead show was just two days later so I was again happy and able to put it all behind me. Oh, so that was just last week, and now yesterday I was (once more) in Basel at Z-7 for Steven Wilson's Blackfield. Well, it's just called Blackfield, but really...he's the main guy once again. Well, OK, the CD liner notes seem to indicate that it's a co-project between Wilson and Israeli Aviv Geffen (also ac./el. guitar and vocals) but for some reason the old SNL skit about Hall and Oates ("I'm Oates..."...pause....longer pause....shrug....nothing) seems to come to mind. Actually, that's a bit unfair, as Geffen wrote/co-wrote a fair amount of the music, and does add an important second vocal. In fact, I would think PT would have been better off if they'd added this guy instead of Wesley, as I didn't like Wesley's singing (he did a horrible "Fadeaway" as lead IMHO). Geffen's voice is nasally and it works well as harmony with Wilson, whose voice is frankly quite wimpy, even though he's getting gradually stronger in that department. I haven't really liked the all-Wilson choir backing vocals on recent PT albums (an understatement) and using this guy's voice is/would be a huge improvement. Anyway, of all Wilson entities (incl. PT, IEM, No-Man, Bass Communion), this one isn't up near the top, but they're not bad. Former PT drummer Chris Maitland played on the Blackfield CD, but sadly he wasn't in the touring band. They played *all* of the one CD they've made, plus the two songs from the bonus EP (included in the ltd. ed. version that I have), and also two PT tracks, including "Waiting" (the highlight...very good version), and still the whole show was only about 70 minutes. But then they had Richard Barbieri on for about 40 minutes ahead of that as 'warm-up.' He has a new solo CD out that he's promoting. His stuff doesn't deviate much from what one would expect, in that it would fit in well with Tim or Harvey solo set (no vocals though). That works OK as such an opener, but really...again, the 'programmed synth beat/percussion' just doesn't cut it with me in a live setting. Anyway, there was one track that I thought was particularly interesting, but overall I wasn't inspired to go out and track down this CD. I noticed that (like Saxon earlier) there was no merchandising going on at the show last night at Z-7, which I understand is because 'customs police' have been showing up to make sure that there's no under-the-table profit-taking going on, and so bands (without a proper permit) have been thwarted there. I don't know the politics of the situation, but there have been some strange things going on between CH and DE (or perhaps all Schengen lands?) as I've been stopped at the border just lately to get an Ausweis check, and that used to never happen (up to '04). Anyway, that's not really very interesting to you all, is it? But anyway, Blackfield was OK but not awe-inspiring, and they didn't draw a huge crowd...maybe 200, so roughly about half (or a third) of what I would expect if PT had played there, depending on the particular day (Friday/Saturday always does better). And Z-7 is a *big* club, so anything under 200 looks *really* empty. Well, that brings me up to the present concert-wise, except of course next week I have three concerts...Jane plays at, yep, you guessed it, Z-7 in Basel Thursday night. I'll probably stay over there in a hotel, as I fly out of Euroairport (Basel CH/Mulhouse FR/Freiburg DE) Friday morning to Luton, on my way to Cambridge's Corn Exchange for Hawkwind. Then I'll hang around somewhere until Sunday (won't go out to Exeter I'm afraid) for the Xmas show at the Astoria. It'll be fun to see you all there again (those of you lucky enough to make it, that is). Hopefully, I'm in a social mood...sometimes that comes and goes, but if anything inspires me to talk to people, it's Hawkwind. The following week Amon Duul II will play at a small club in Bonn DE, which will be filmed for broadcast on WDR (K?ln) sometime early in January. I'll get to watch that broadcast "live" but I won't be doing a DVD-R myself, as there's somebody on the KrautrockII list that has already offered to do it himself and trade copies to all interested parties. I'll try to get one myself and see if there's interest to spread it around here or at Neo-quark (still going?). Of course, with AD2, you never know if it will turn out to be worth the effort. :) As much as I love them, they are a bit uh, "undisciplined," to some degree...all part of the charm perhaps? So that takes me up to the year 2005, where I only have written in my calendar that I need to renew my passport, lest I be detained at the border for *real*. My own future in this country seems sadly limited, as my contract expires 31.December, 2004, and that point will be happily unemployed. I have gotten permission to remain here until 1.April, 2005 in my apartment, and so I might (or might not?) search for another job here in central Europe (it would be a shame to let my German studies go to waste...today I had my Abschlusspr?fung, but won't have any additional classroom instruction, for awhile at least). I had a *chance* to get a job in Cambridge UK at the British Antarctic Survey, and did go there for an interview (a whirlwind 20-hour trip), but they chose someone else for the position. Just as well...I think I would have turned it down anyway, as another two-year contract position doesn't excite me (no immigration 'value'), and I'm thinking about trying yet another different field of science for a change. I'm not very normal I guess. I'm bored now with ice-core paleoclimatology. Bummer that I won't be going to Antarctica next year, but I'll live. I might just send my crap "home" to the US and go travelling around Europe through next summer, living from festival to festival when that season comes, that is, if I don't run out of the money I've saved up just for such a reason. I'll hate to leave CH behind no matter what happens, but these people here just haven't made it easy for even 'high-qualified' people to emigrate here (there's another understatement), and so they've kind of pissed me off with their over-protective sensibilities as it pertains to the value of the CH citizenship. Not even third generation immigrants who were born/raised here/know-nothing-else-*but*-CH are "Swiss" in these people's minds...in fact they voted against it (again) just a couple months ago! Thanks Christoph (Arsch)Blocher! Well, so my days as Swiss boc-l/AI correspondent may be limited, but hopefully I'll end up in a place where lots of good music is still to be heard. Anyway, looking forward to next week...see you all at the hotel! (BTW, is there an after-concert event of some kind, any kind, this time 'round?) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Well, the craziest news for me in a looooonnnggg time is what took place two days ago in my former hometown of Columbus, OH, at the Alrosa Villa, a club that I had been to quite a number of times in the past decade. Of course, you all know what happened there...it's just about the biggest story in the US at the moment. Pantera is a band that I saw (open for Black Sabbath??) though I never called myself a fan (too fast, too loud, despite the fact that I'm a big Motorhead fan), and though I didn't know any people (at least none that I know of) at the show Wednesday night, a friend of a friend was there and essentially had a lifeless Dime fall on her. That's just too close for comfort. F*cking crazy world we all live in. Music is supposed to be the *escape* from it all the goddamned nonsense...what the hell's wrong with this planet? Jeebus. P.P.S. I never gave my thoughts about the 'must have' list of Hr. Forstner, partly because I was (as above) too damn lazy to write anything, and partly because Chuck (others?) also said many of the things I was going to say. Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone demanded that the Hungarians be added in there as one of the most important 'categories' to include. But if not, let me now suggest such an addition (I don't know about Magma...as much as I love them, and think Udu Wudu is an absolute essential album to own, it's hard to call it space-rock...so perhaps in their place...that or one of the minimalist/electronic categories as it seemed maybe a little redundant there). Korai Orom/Colorstar/Tanu Tuva/Masfel...these bands shouldn't be overlooked! And of course, Ship of Fools and Dead Flowers as 'additions/alternatives' to any category including the Ozrics. And how 'bout Kingston Wall III...maybe not 'space' enough, but instead 'psych-rock'? Anyway, the very first thing I ever wrote (wow...six-and-a-half years ago! How naive I was back then!) for A-I (Issue #2 if you care to check) was exactly this kind of thing (a top 20 instead of 10). Of course, the Hungarians are missing there too, but that was because I didn't discover Korai Orom until just thereafter. ObCD: Afresco Mantis - Harris Tweed (pulled this out last night for the first time in awhile...it's really quite excellent...they should do more) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 10 15:54:56 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:54:56 -0800 Subject: OT - SPACE MIRRORS XMmas greetings Message-ID: Excellent track. The drums dont fit in. Reminds me of Alien Dream alot. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Stephe ---- Alien Dream wrote: > Greetings all, > > While the guest musicians are finishing their work we would like to present you a special Xmas feature of the finished songs here. Every week before Xmas we will upload a new song. They will be on website until mid-January. > > Today we present "Travelling to the Core" featuring Alisa Coral - synths, bass, drums; Michael Blackman - lead and rhythm guitars; Keith Kniveton - MiniMoog solo. Music by Alisa Coral. > > Keith Kniveton plays on Tim Blake's legendary modified minimoog and I have to say it really does sound magnificent. I received this track tonight and have been playing it over and over. The mix is fantastic. > > You can easily find your way to this sample by clicking the link below: > > http://www.spacemirrors.com/ > > then clicking on the "NEWS" button on the left hand side of the page. > > Regards > The Space Mirrors crew. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Dec 10 18:50:51 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:50:51 -0500 Subject: HW: some; OFF: Latest s-o-c rant... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Henderson Keith : [snip] Could you repeat that? ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From whoohoo55 at WEBTV.NET Fri Dec 10 22:17:23 2004 From: whoohoo55 at WEBTV.NET (Brian Mccauley) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:17:23 -0500 Subject: CDs (and one video) for sale In-Reply-To: David Kuznick 's message of Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: sorry is the ashra available brian From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 11 10:26:12 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:26:12 +0000 Subject: CDs (and one video) for sale In-Reply-To: <20041208123806.c2a88sso40cw8wk4@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, David Kuznick wrote: > Alien Planetscapes - Life on Earth > Ant-Bee - Lunar Muzik > Devil Doll - The Girl who was Death > Mandra Gora Lightshow Society - Beyond the Mushroam Gate Hi David, if you've not had other offers for them I'll take any or all of these off your hands. I'm in the UK, and have no credit card, but we may be able to work omething out through PayPal as it nowes debit cards or else use more traditional BOC-L methods like the First Virtual Bank of Hawkwind or (if I'm identifying you correctly as Scylding's keyboardist?) working something out with Carl Anderson? Let me know if these are still up for grabs, anyway, and what you'd like to do about payment if . Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Bedouin - _As Above So Below_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 11 10:46:50 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:46:50 +0000 Subject: "LIVE AT GLASTONBURY" Judge Trev and jaki Windmill - new RFM album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, trev wrote: > Jaki Windmill is (or was) by far and away the best vocalist in Space Ritual. > I don't think she was actually allowed to "sing" with that band though. She > is also a competent multi instrumentalist and a very talented songwriter. I > was surprised at her talents - which is why I'm playing duo stuff with her > (She's got a van too). She's also a bit mad, which helps as well. Enough people have defended her voice to me one way or another that I'm being forced to admit I must just not have heard her sing properly. Mad I can well believe however... > You write very good reviews don't you - I mean accurate ones. In one of > your reviews you even noticed the bass playing of Terry Horbury (You didn't > know his name) who sometimes plays with Outskirts of Infinity. Yes, he often > "carries" bands by his superb playing and I think he's one of the best rock > bass players in the country. I think a few people reading would quarrel about my accuracy being 100%! I've also only seen Terry Horbury playing with Ric Gunther as the other half of the rhythm section and I think it's the power of the unit there as much as the man himself though he's clearly an excellent player. He couldn't for example save _Incident at Pilatus_ from being a mainly boring album though. Needs the drummer too, and fair enough. I can't think of a better bass player I've seen live though, some very good ones but none managing to be so fierce and so musical at the same time. Except maybe Lemmy, but that's a different game. > Maybe you should review the MOAB album which may or may not ever see the > light of day unless there's a major shift in the attitude of todays record > companies (some hope). Contact me off-list if you want. Well, you know if you can get it out, given the people involved and the reviews of your other collaborations, I'll buy it unheard anyway. I hope you can. Perhaps when the new Krel finally comes out Andy Garibaldi can be swayed :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Bedouin - _As Above So Below_ (also not a *bad* bass-player... ) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sat Dec 11 10:59:18 2004 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:59:18 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Bring on the rockin'! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041209203305.021a72b0@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 10/12/2004 2.33, Jason wrote: > A video clip of the Brain Surgeons first official gig with Ross the Boss is > available here. It's a bit dark > and small but the sound is pretty good and you can get an idea of how the > Boss roasts the chestnuts WOW! I'm crossing my fingers and toes for an Italian date in the next European tour. I wish I'll have the chance to see them! Cheers -- ID Low there do I see my father. Low there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers. Low there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning. Low they do call to me, they bit me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 11 16:20:12 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:20:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Ah yes, a type there; Evil was in the setlist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Re: HW: Litmus Gig > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > > > LOL; the full setlist was: > > > > Intro > > Twinstar > > Destroy the Mothership > > The Tempest > > Yeah, I'm clearer about this now, I thought that was going to be > `Invader' and then it wasn't so I scribbled it out on my setlist, hence > confusion. > > > Dreams of Space > > (Theta Wave) Inductor > > Excuse my brain failure there, got it mixed up with `Stone > Oscillator' but that was what I meant. > > > Sonic Light > > Under the Sign > > Hang on, hang on, I may be prematurely demented but no way did I > imagine `Evil' there. Is it now being used as a coda to the coda of `Under > the Sign'? Not that I mind as long as it turns up somewhere... > > > Twiddly Synthy Bit (while band recover and Huw is prepared for action!) > > Infinity Drive > > Waiting for Tomorrow > > Motorway City > > Moonglum > > Magnu > > Not sure how I forgot that, but it isn't really reconstructible > from my scrawl :-) > > > Needle Gun > > Right Stuff (Encore) > > > > T-shirts? Ah, yes...T-shirts! We are working on designs and hope (plan) to > > have them ready very early in the new year. > > Hurrah! > > > On another track, the wonderful Julian Cope has selected "You Are Here" as > > his "Album of the Month" for December; a review will be appearing on his > > site http://www.headheritage.co.uk. There is also a review in the latest > > edition of Terrorizer. > > That Julian Cope review is a piece of work, isn't it... He says > several things I more or less agree with and then rants for a paragraph in > such a way that I wonder if he's listening to the same album. And then the > cycle goes round again... He definitely hears things in his own > framework. Like many things in the music world, it's close enough to what > I'd like to see done that it annoys me for not being that, but at least in > the case of reviewing I could do my own version. I think he and I are in > broad agreement on the basics of the matter, however, viz that the album > kicks arse and that it's full of indications that even better may yet > follow. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Litmus - _You Are Here_ (as luck would have it) > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 12 02:13:48 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:13:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Atomic Bongload & Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 11, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #8), and Alchemical Radio (show #77). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NEW IN STOCK at the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Floorian - "What The Buzzing" For those of you that have the band released version of What The Buzzing from a couple years ago, note that the guys got signed to Bomp Records who reissued the disc with 6 songs from the original plus 4 news ones. These guys beautifully mix old time sounds we love like Pink Floyd and a little Amon D??l II with more modern sounds like King Black Acid and Porcupine Tree. You'll hear both trippy raga guitars, crunchier heavy guitars, drones, wails and more. For more information visit our mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord The Atomic Bongload (show #8) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we review at Aural Innovations. Los Natas - "Humo de Marihuana" (from M?nchen Sessions) Hypnos 69 - "The Endless Void" (from The Intrigue of Perception) Albatross - "Great Deceiver" (from Demo 2004) Qualone - "The Kind" (from Qualone) Comets On Fire - "Whiskey River" (from Blue Cathedral) Johnny Jones - "Hussy" (from Suffering Halos) Witchcraft - "The Snake" (from Witchcraft) Witchcraft - "Lady Winter" (from Witchcraft) Bandvivil - "e.g.g." (from Junaokissei) Colour Haze - "Peace, Brothers & Sisters!" (from Colour Haze) Alchemical Radio (show #77) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Ross Falzone - "The Crapitalist" Terri Hendrix - "Monopoly" Joe Freeman - "Modern Society" Paradox One - "A Faint Nimbus Of Starlight" Paradox One - "Space Race" Thork - Taken From The Album Weila (Track 6) Yanju - "Koseru" The Mick Fleetwood Band - "It's Only Money" Mamasweed - "Americana" Robert Ziino - "Plan B" Spaced Out - "Furax" Patrick Porter - "I win" Past Perfect - "Our Fatal Dream Tale" The Buzzrats - "Where The Rockets Go" Nelson Said - "Stratosphere" http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 12 06:22:01 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:22:01 +0000 Subject: CDs (and one video) for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Jon Jarrett wrote: [a mail that should have gone off-list not on] Still, at least I haven't yet wound up feeding my bank details or home address to to the listserv archive. Only a matter of time at this rate... Your pardon, all, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Dec 12 14:27:30 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:27:30 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Bring on the rockin'! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20041209203305.021a72b0@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:33, Jason wrote: > The Brain Surgeons head into the studio in downtown Manhattan to record > their eighth album December 18 with master engineer, Paul Special, once > again behind the board. This recording will have all new music, no > covers, > just the kick ass material written during the summer 2004.[...] > Prepare to > be surprised. I am prepared to be rocked! > A video clip of the Brain Surgeons first official gig with Ross the > Boss is > available here. Gee, sounds like Ross might have played guitar before ;) And I'm looking forward to hearing more :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Dec 12 15:01:35 2004 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:01:35 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Bring on the rockin'! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's the best version of Cities on Flame I have heard since Albert left BOC. I so hope tBS play the UK next year otherwise I might just have to go see them in Paris. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Dec 12 16:23:24 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:23:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sloterdijk & OEB items currently on ebay ( ending in about 16 hours ) Message-ID: Sloterdijk and OEB items currently on ebay SLOTERDIJK:submutation: Hamburg Hawkfest 2000 CD SLOTERDIJK : New PEMAF CD SLOTERDIJK: Uranium Zone CD SLOTERDIJK: alien theme CD One Eyed Bishops: 'school of rock-n-roll' studio CD One Eyed Bishops: spacerock fest t-shirt From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Dec 12 16:26:33 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:26:33 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro: Yuletide mini set: Borders Books, Mays Landing, New Jersey 12/10/04 Message-ID: This gig ended up being a solo slot. Mike: semi hollow body electric guitar/vocals Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) The One Eyed Hawk ( Burro) Rock My Soul ( Elvin Bishop ) http://www.freewebs.com/oebs The very best to all at Yuletide!!! Mike Burro From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 12 17:29:15 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:29:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Dates Message-ID: Hi all, Litmus will be playing the following dates in January 2005: January 15th, Exeter, The Phoenix (supporting the Ozric Tentacles) January 20th, Bristol, The Fleece (supporting Julian Cope) January 22nd, Wolverhampton, Wulfrun Hall (supporting Julian Cope) January 23rd, Sheffield, The Leadmill (supporting Julian Cope) January 24th, Liverpool, Carling Academy (supporting Julian Cope). Hopefully, we will see some of you at some of these. Colin From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 07:35:57 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:35:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Friday 10th Message-ID: Yes yes yes ! Dave Brock out front like he should be, giving his guitar a good thrashing.... What a cracker of a gig, fantastic stage set, with a wonderful back drop, lots of twinkley lights & some really good dancers. Topped with a great light show that washed everything with some enormous oil wheel patterns. This was a Sports centre gig & the bubble wheels shrank the whole space and made it far more intimate, Well done to all the crew there. Great to see Arin, Rich, Rob, Alan L & Alan Day ( how bizarre was that bumping into you man ) Highlights for me were Psychedelic Warlords with a great Bass solo and a classic straight down the line Dave Brock guitar sound, swirlling round the building. In fact Dave was playing the guitar much more and was great to see him Solo'ing as well. Ode to a flower ? with a Bob Calvert backing track was just superb, and the dancers did a really cool job on this as well. The new material was fantastic and all adds more light & Shade to the procedings. To Love a Machine is my fav. Some really good Drum & Bass was blasting out during a number I can't remember, I was getting disorientated with the sound shifts across the stage. Brainstorm rocked & the 50's throwback special Brainbox Pollution got a great pummelling. So, single & Fleece in hand , I skipped home thinking up a cunning plan on how I excuse a hotel room on the C/card to see the Astoria gig, I wanna go again now please ! regards iain From coral at APORT.RU Mon Dec 13 09:15:24 2004 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:15:24 +0300 Subject: Swindon Friday 10th Message-ID: Great to hear that Hawkwind rocks :). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: HW: Swindon Friday 10th > Yes yes yes ! > > Dave Brock out front like he should be, giving his guitar a good > thrashing.... > > What a cracker of a gig, fantastic stage set, with a wonderful back > drop, lots of twinkley lights & some really good dancers. Topped with a > great light show that washed everything with some enormous oil wheel > patterns. This was a Sports centre gig & the bubble wheels shrank the > whole space and made it far more intimate, Well done to all the crew there. > Great to see Arin, Rich, Rob, Alan L & Alan Day ( how bizarre was that > bumping into you man ) > > Highlights for me were Psychedelic Warlords with a great Bass solo and a > classic straight down the line Dave Brock guitar sound, swirlling round > the building. In fact Dave was playing the guitar much more and was > great to see him Solo'ing as well. > Ode to a flower ? with a Bob Calvert backing track was just superb, and > the dancers did a really cool job on this as well. > The new material was fantastic and all adds more light & Shade to the > procedings. To Love a Machine is my fav. Some really good Drum & Bass > was blasting out during a number I can't remember, I was getting > disorientated with the sound shifts across the stage. > Brainstorm rocked & the 50's throwback special Brainbox Pollution got a > great pummelling. > > So, single & Fleece in hand , I skipped home thinking up a cunning plan > on how I excuse a hotel room on the C/card to see the Astoria gig, I > wanna go again now please ! > > regards > iain > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 13 09:31:19 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:31:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel In-Reply-To: <41B9C1F1.3050701@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, John McIntyre wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > You have me worried now. Is Hartmut Enke on it? > > That's quite an important factor. Also, who's drumming? I don't need > > forty minutes of continuous Gottsching by himself, in fact that sounds > > quite bad though not as bad as several other name guitarists perhaps, > > as long as there's something else going on with the rhythm section... > > Enke is on bass. Drums are credited to Dietmar Burmeister and Tommie Engel. > > Six people are credited with vocals. This is not a typical ART album. Thanks for info, I think I can chance that one by the sounds of it. Though, really, what *is* a typical ART album? Even the ones that aren't populated with extras are atypical because of having Klaus Schulze on. Vive la diff?rence I suppose! Yours, Jon ObCD: ST37 - _The Invisible College_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Dec 13 09:50:37 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:50:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Friday 13th In-Reply-To: <41BD8CAD.90704@aol.com> Message-ID: Ominous date not withstanding, I'll be along to the Cambridge gig on Friday. Anyone else going to be there? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Dec 13 10:55:00 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:55:00 -0800 Subject: HW: Cambridge Friday 13th Message-ID: Hej, According to my calender Friday is the 17th. Cheers Stephe ---- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ominous date not withstanding, I'll be along to the Cambridge gig on > Friday. Anyone else going to be there? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 13 11:07:25 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:07:25 GMT Subject: Trev's latest missive Message-ID: Well, it's quite something. It looks like the Clerk book has stirred up a hornet's nest. The strange thing is that I haven't been sent a copy but was shown this by a guy at work. I dunno if that signifies anything or if I've just fallen victim to Trev Time. Have the usual Hawkfrendz all received theirs? FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Dec 13 11:30:49 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:30:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Friday 17th In-Reply-To: <13725667.1102953300504.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On 13-Dec-2004 15:55, Stephe Lindas wrote: > Hej, According to my calender Friday is the 17th. Cheers Stephe Whoops, yes -- this Friday anyway :) That much I knew (but obviously can't count!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Mon Dec 13 11:44:09 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:44:09 -0000 Subject: Trev's latest missive Message-ID: Hi Mike Care to be more specific?! Dave > Well, it's quite something. It looks like the Clerk book has stirred up > a hornet's nest. > > The strange thing is that I haven't been sent a copy but was shown this > by a guy at work. I dunno if that signifies anything or if I've just > fallen victim to Trev Time. Have the usual Hawkfrendz all received > theirs? > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 13 12:00:42 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:00:42 GMT Subject: Trev's latest missive In-Reply-To: Dave Bottomley's message of Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: Dave Bottomley writes: > Hi Mike > > Care to be more specific?! I don't want to go into the gory details in public. The missive indicates Trev is extremely upset and it looks like he's burning bridges. I haven't read the Clerk book yet and so don't know the details of the accusations Trev says he's responding to, but the gist of it is he seems to have been caught in the legal wars between the two bands and that's caused personal rifts which have been reopened by the Clerk book. It's a letter rebutting things which have clearly upset him and stating his own views, but dressed as a Hawkfrendz issue. I suppose those who Trev wants to read it will get copies. I daresay mine will turn up in the fullness of time. I feel quite saddened by it. FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 13 12:44:36 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:44:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Friday 10th In-Reply-To: <41BD8CAD.90704@aol.com> Message-ID: Iain Ferguson wrote: >So, single & Fleece in hand , I skipped home thinking up a cunning plan > > > Hope you can let go of Fleece by Friday, he'll be needed behind the mixing desk :-) From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Mon Dec 13 12:59:52 2004 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:59:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Friday 13th In-Reply-To: <41BDAC3D.6040507@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Unless someone steals my car and my tickets, chops off my legs and/or transports me to the far reaches of another galaxy I'll be there! On 13 Dec 2004 at 14:50, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ominous date not withstanding, I'll be along to the Cambridge gig on > Friday. Anyone else going to be there? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Dec 13 13:02:45 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:02:45 +0100 Subject: Cambridge Friday 13th Message-ID: Carl queried... >Ominous date not withstanding, I'll be along to the Cambridge gig on >Friday. Anyone else going to be there? Who's the ominous date with? :) I'll be there. Is there a good place for a pint or two near the CornX where folks could (orgone) accumulate before the show? (Please state with/without food.) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. BTW, can anyone recommend a decent, inexpensive place to find a room in Cambs.? From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Mon Dec 13 15:21:41 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:21:41 -0000 Subject: Trev's latest missive Message-ID: > I don't want to go into the gory details in public. The missive > indicates Trev is extremely upset and it looks like he's burning > bridges. No, fair enough. > I feel quite saddened by it. In which case, you might be better off avoiding Carol Clerk's book altogether - it's unlikely to cheer you up ;@) Dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 14 08:39:40 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:39:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Friday 13th In-Reply-To: <41BDAC3D.6040507@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ominous date not withstanding, I'll be along to the Cambridge gig on > Friday. Anyone else going to be there? Yes! And I'll bring the ominous date so that Carl doesn't have to. Or something. Yours all, Jon ObCD: High Tide - _Sea Shanties/High Tide_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 14 08:51:38 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:51:38 +0000 Subject: Cambridge Friday 13th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > I'll be there. Is there a good place for a pint or two near the CornX where > folks could (orgone) accumulate before the show? (Please state with/without > food.) I would recommend either Tha Bath, though not without a certain amount of pain becauses it got horribly modernised not so long ago, but as a Hogshead will do halfway decent beer and food in the *ruins* of what used to be a sixteenth-century building. Just down the street from it (this being Bene't Street, which joins onto Corn Exchange Street) is the Eagle where Dawson and Crick reputedly worked out DNA, and that's bigger, has food but also had Greene King beer (and not kept well enough to get away with it) and bouncers. I suppose however the Eagle may be the best bet. Hmm. Can't now find proof that it does food. I'll look later today. Here it is, anyway: http://www.wcities.com/en/record/127,290059/207/record.html Ah yes, though. Food, and review: http://www.businessweekly.co.uk/eating/profile.asp?establishment=184 As they say, it will likely be very full, but so will everything central enough to be local to the Corn Exchange, and it must be shading on for vacation by now surely, so the students may not be quite so numerous. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 14 20:12:20 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:12:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gwen rips off Hawkwind?!? Message-ID: In a review of the new Gwen Stefani (ex-No Doubt singer) solo album, she's described as: "squeaking like a robot Lene Lovich over an electro-disco groove". Sounds like a description of "Angela Android" to me (but probably not!). from http://slate.msn.com/id/2111008/ -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Dec 15 12:38:25 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:38:25 +0100 Subject: Cambridge Friday 13th Message-ID: Jon suggested... > I'll be there. Is there a good place for a pint or two near the CornX where > folks could (orgone) accumulate before the show? (Please state with/without > food.) >I would recommend either Tha Bath, though not without a certain >amount of pain becauses it got horribly modernised not so long ago, but as >a Hogshead will do halfway decent beer and food in the *ruins* of what >used to be a sixteenth-century building. Just down the street from it >(this being Bene't Street, which joins onto Corn Exchange Street) is the >Eagle where Dawson and Crick reputedly worked out DNA, and that's bigger, >has food but also had Greene King beer (and not kept well enough to get >away with it) and bouncers. I suppose however the Eagle may be the best >bet. I see it's an IPA, which I miss a great deal (the Ami's make good pale ales IMHO...even in Columbus!!), because the Swiss don't seem to know how to make 'em at *all*. And I don't live in a town big enough to have any specialty import stores. Only on trips to Zuerich or Basel, I'm afraid. Anyway, I'm game for this Eagle place, if we can get in. I guess there's only a few here on boc-l who are going to Cambs. for the gig Friday? Is there any interest in making a firm plan, or just acting on our own and see what happens? I'll likely meet up with Jon no matter what, and I suppose that means we'll run into Carl at some point...but don't know about the others. Well, anyway...I'll play it by ear I guess. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. What's the status of smoking bans/proposals in pubs/etc. in the UK? From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 15 12:48:35 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:35 +0000 Subject: Cambridge Friday 17th 17th 17th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15-Dec-2004 17:38, Henderson Keith wrote: > Anyway, I'm game for this Eagle place, if we can get in. I guess there's > only a few here on boc-l who are going to Cambs. for the gig Friday? Is > there any interest in making a firm plan, or just acting on our own and see > what happens? I'll likely meet up with Jon no matter what, and I suppose > that means we'll run into Carl at some point...but don't know about the > others. I'll be rolling in from a Xmas lunch earlier in the day; what time do y'all plan on seeking The Eagle (or, failing that, the Bath?). > P.S. What's the status of smoking bans/proposals in pubs/etc. in the UK? No ban in England (as opposed to Scotland) so expect plenty of smoke in pub and gig. There are a few non-smoking pubs in Cambridge, but none in the city centre, that I recall. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 15 13:29:26 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:29:26 GMT Subject: Cambridge Friday 17th 17th 17th In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:35 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > No ban in England (as opposed to Scotland) Scotland's smoking ban starts Mach 2006. FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Dec 15 13:53:25 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:53:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sloterdijk U.S. Spacerock T-shirts from only $12.99!! merry xmas!! 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I haven't tried to chart out all the mix differences yet, but they're apparent starting from the intro (where the album version just has the acoustic guitar track, but the single version also adds that synchopated one-note electric guitar track). So there are definitely alternate guitar tracks used, and some of the fx-processing (like the backwards delay on the vocals) sounds different between the two versions. As for the edits, both versions start with: 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 1 (0.27) chorus 1 (0.25) 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 2 (0.27) ... here's where things change. The LP version includes a full second chorus (0.25), followed by another 8-bar intro (0.14). The single version includes only the beginning of the second chorus (0.15) with the "Psi Power" harmony vocals, but cutting out before the actual chorus ("I can read your mind like a magazine..."), going straight to the keyboard solo bridge. Both versions include the full keyboard solo (0.21), which is followed by the trumpet solo. The LP version contains the full trumpet solo (0.28), while the single version cuts it in half (0.14). After that, both versions are the same for: chorus 3 (0.25) 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 3 (0.27) chorus 4 (0.25) The LP version then includes another 8-bar intro (0.14) that's edited out of the single version. Both versions then end with a fadeout on the keyboard solo. The single version fades out quickly, in about 15 seconds, while the album version runs over a minute (and actually ends cold on that echoed "wha-happen" statement). To recap: 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 1 (0.27) chorus 1 (0.25) 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 2 (0.27) chorus 2 (LP: 0.25, 7": 0.15) *** 8-bar intro (0.14 - LP version only) *** keyboard solo/bridge (0.21) trumpet solo (LP: 0.28, 7": 0.14) *** chorus 3 (0.25) 8-bar intro (0.14) verse 3 (0.27) chorus 4 (0.25) 8-bar intro (0.14 - LP version only) *** keyboard solo/fade (LP: 1.03, 7": 0.15) The album version runs 6.05, and can be found on several CD's. The single version runs 4.25 (10 seconds from chorus 2 + 2x 14 second 8-bar intros + extra 14 seconds on trumpet solo + extra 50 seconds of fade = 0.10 + 0.28 + 0.14 + 0.50 = 1min 42sec, which accounts for the difference in length), and has never been released on CD, only on the 'Repeat Performance' LP (along with the US & UK 7"s and the US 12"). Hopefully, if/when 'Hawklords/25 Years On' is reissued on CD, the single version will be included as a bonus track (as with "Lord of Light" on Doremi, and "You'd Better Believe It", "Psychedelic Warlords" & "Paradox" on HotMG, EMI reissues). My question: can someone who owns the US 7" with an even-shorter edit of the single version determine what has been edited out for that version? (Or send me a tape/CD-R so I can figure it out for myself?) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 15 17:13:41 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:13:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Psi Power single version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a two sided promo with a long and short version, not sure if it's American though. Could copy them onto CDR if you like? Could even hand deliver if you happen to be at the Astoria Sunday? Eddie. >From: Doug Pearson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Psi Power single version >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:00:16 -0500 > >... similar to the "Kings Of Speed" discussion from a while back ... > >I'm convinced that the single version of "Psi Power", unlike the single >version of "25 Years", is the same *recording* as the album version, but >the *mix* is different, and it has been edited in several places. I >haven't tried to chart out all the mix differences yet, but they're >apparent starting from the intro (where the album version just has the >acoustic guitar track, but the single version also adds that synchopated >one-note electric guitar track). So there are definitely alternate guitar >tracks used, and some of the fx-processing (like the backwards delay on >the vocals) sounds different between the two versions. > >As for the edits, both versions start with: >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 1 (0.27) >chorus 1 (0.25) >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 2 (0.27) > >... here's where things change. The LP version includes a full second >chorus (0.25), followed by another 8-bar intro (0.14). The single version >includes only the beginning of the second chorus (0.15) with the "Psi >Power" harmony vocals, but cutting out before the actual chorus ("I can >read your mind like a magazine..."), going straight to the keyboard solo >bridge. > >Both versions include the full keyboard solo (0.21), which is followed by >the trumpet solo. The LP version contains the full trumpet solo (0.28), >while the single version cuts it in half (0.14). > >After that, both versions are the same for: >chorus 3 (0.25) >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 3 (0.27) >chorus 4 (0.25) > >The LP version then includes another 8-bar intro (0.14) that's edited out >of the single version. Both versions then end with a fadeout on the >keyboard solo. The single version fades out quickly, in about 15 seconds, >while the album version runs over a minute (and actually ends cold on that >echoed "wha-happen" statement). > >To recap: >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 1 (0.27) >chorus 1 (0.25) >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 2 (0.27) >chorus 2 (LP: 0.25, 7": 0.15) *** >8-bar intro (0.14 - LP version only) *** >keyboard solo/bridge (0.21) >trumpet solo (LP: 0.28, 7": 0.14) *** >chorus 3 (0.25) >8-bar intro (0.14) >verse 3 (0.27) >chorus 4 (0.25) >8-bar intro (0.14 - LP version only) *** >keyboard solo/fade (LP: 1.03, 7": 0.15) > >The album version runs 6.05, and can be found on several CD's. The single >version runs 4.25 (10 seconds from chorus 2 + 2x 14 second 8-bar intros + >extra 14 seconds on trumpet solo + extra 50 seconds of fade = 0.10 + 0.28 >+ 0.14 + 0.50 = 1min 42sec, which accounts for the difference in length), >and has never been released on CD, only on the 'Repeat Performance' LP >(along with the US & UK 7"s and the US 12"). Hopefully, >if/when 'Hawklords/25 Years On' is reissued on CD, the single version will >be included as a bonus track (as with "Lord of Light" on Doremi, >and "You'd Better Believe It", "Psychedelic Warlords" & "Paradox" on >HotMG, EMI reissues). > >My question: can someone who owns the US 7" with an even-shorter edit of >the single version determine what has been edited out for that version? >(Or send me a tape/CD-R so I can figure it out for myself?) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 15 17:54:09 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:54:09 -0000 Subject: Cambridge Friday 17th Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Cambridge Friday 17th 17th 17th > Scotland's smoking ban starts Mach 2006. Wow, that fast! 8-) jill > > FoFP > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 16 09:30:48 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:30:48 GMT Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 17 10:19:41 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:19:41 +0000 Subject: Cambridge Friday 13th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > Jon suggested... > >I would recommend either Tha Bath, though not without a certain > >amount of pain becauses it got horribly modernised not so long ago, but as > >a Hogshead will do halfway decent beer and food in the *ruins* of what > >used to be a sixteenth-century building. Just down the street from it > >(this being Bene't Street, which joins onto Corn Exchange Street) is the > >Eagle where Dawson and Crick reputedly worked out DNA, and that's bigger, > >has food but also had Greene King beer (and not kept well enough to get > >away with it) and bouncers. I suppose however the Eagle may be the best > >bet. > > I see it's an IPA, which I miss a great deal (the Ami's make good pale ales > IMHO...even in Columbus!!), because the Swiss don't seem to know how to make > 'em at *all*. And I don't live in a town big enough to have any specialty > import stores. Only on trips to Zuerich or Basel, I'm afraid. Greene King IPA might be best avoided, though I'm told there are places that can do it OK. The Eagle is sadly not one of these... > Anyway, I'm game for this Eagle place, if we can get in. I guess there's > only a few here on boc-l who are going to Cambs. for the gig Friday? Is > there any interest in making a firm plan, or just acting on our own and see > what happens? I'll likely meet up with Jon no matter what, and I suppose > that means we'll run into Carl at some point...but don't know about the > others. Right, for any reading not otherwise organised into a group, *some* of us will be in the Eagle from about 6:30 at least, and more arriving after that in probably one or two instalments. > P.S. What's the status of smoking bans/proposals in pubs/etc. in the UK? Imminent but not yet through the legislature, and then only affecting places that serve food. But that' smost of them as the profit margin is so much better than on beer. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 19 01:51:06 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:51:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Magic Cat Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 19, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #117), and Magic Cat Radio (show #9). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NEW IN STOCK at the Aural Innovations MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Space Debris - Krautrock Sessions 1994-2001 (2004): 2-LP Gatefold VINYL. Space Debris are a German band whose music will transport you back 30 years to the pioneering days of Krautrock and Progressive influenced Psychedelia. Lots of lengthy stretch out guitar jams and an old time organ sound that will make you swoon. Influences range from Amon D??l and Can on the one hand to a psychedelicious take on the Santana, Allman Brothers, and early Deep Purple stylings. If you like early 70's styled jamming hard prog-psych you'll love this. Krel - Out Of Space (2004): FINALLY!! Krel's Ad Astra was the first release on Andy G's Dead Earnest label and Out Of Space is the long awaited follow-up, consisting of tracks from the unreleased 1992 Shed Studio sessions, live material from their tour opening for Hawkwind in 1992, plus newer material. Fans of Hawkwind school Space Rock will be DELIGHTED by this set! This... is... SPACE ROCK! For more information visit our mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #117) Cyberphobia - "One Small Step" (from Soundclick.com site) Krel - "Androids" (from Out Of Space) Alien Dream - "This Is Paradise" (from Soundclick.com site) Census of Hallucinations - "My God, It's Full Of Stars" (from Nine Lives) Gravanzia - "Spell Gravanzia!" (From Room 314 Sessions Volume III) Space Debris - "Long Distance Voyager" (from Krautrock Sessions 1994-2001) Helios Creed - "Late Bloomer" (from Inferior Plastic Finger) Los Natas - "Tormenta Mental" (from M?nchen Sessions) Hypnos 69 - "Twisting The Knife" (from The Intrigue of Perception) The Walt James Band - "Elevators For Your Shoes" (from Arrival) Tantroniq - "Toys" (from Mantra Machine) Drunken Gunmen - "The Crown Electric" (from One Revolving Whole) Magic Cat Radio (show #9) Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Dr Brown and Majic Cat, and features special live performances from Majic Cat, related bands, and anything else that Kev cares to share. Lots of PSYCHEDEELOVELY music!! Instant Flight - "Running Away" Space Ritual - "D-Rider" Bubbledubble - "Resonator" Spirits Burning Project - "Alien Injection" (Early Mix) Zachariah Toadstool & his Magic Mushrooms - "Blue Sky Blues" Burning Wood Project - "Seline" Andy Cooper - "Lucky Again" Chris Hopgood - "L'il Law Breaker" Bubbledubble - "Ersa Minor" Saturnia - "The Twilight Bong" Acid Guitar King - "Death March" http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 19 16:39:21 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:39:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th Message-ID: Well, we didn't manage to get all the known BOC-Lers in the same place but something of a gathering of the clans took place in The Eagle beforehand where Keith H. may have been forced to reconsider his alleged love for British Pale Ale, and Andy Gilham showed up to be sociable but couldn't be persuaded to come to the gig despite the combined entreaties of myself and Mike H. (not often he abandons an argument as hopeless, but this one was clearly a loser). So those mentioned plus Kirsten and Carl Anderson hurried Mike through his second pint and got into the venue in perfect time to miss the support band. So if anyone was hoping for a review of The Vs, can't help you there sorry. It wasn't long before the band took the stage, and an unexpected configuration it was too for though Alan had his Wavestation as well as the Rick, and Richard had his drum computer behind the kit, Dave appeared to have no sytnths or keyboards at all! This turned out not to be the case, he was getting his favourite `laser attack' noise out of a box in a stack which I suppose must have been a sampler often enough, but still, nowhere to hide. Also playing through a Pod, both guitars (he started with a wood-finish one before changing to the decorated black one he usually uses) and sampler, but as there was definitely a real amp or two behind the thing it was still OK (don't like Pods for performance usually). Perhaps someone else can tell me who the fourth member was, a big bald bloke with a boxer's nose playing keyboard and synth, one with each hand for most of the set. He was pretty good, never lost the pace, and provided live keyboards for most of the set, even over sampled stuff and wave sequences, which made it all sounds much more organic than I'd been expecting from the three-piece. We also had Dibs as occasional poetry-reader and Keef Barton was about, though not playing. Stage costume was labcoats and clipboards, Dibs especially being very officious about ticking things off on his while reading lyrics, and Dave resorting to his but rarely. Alan didn't have one but was playing with a computer as part of his set-up, which was new to me; I couldn't quite tell what role it had in the noises he was setting up. My reactions are as ever pretty personalised so best I give you the set-list and then my comments, and you can decide when to stop reading... Set-list was: ?Intro poem [Mike H. reckoned this was Calvert but I hope not as though I didn't know it I thought it was pretty childish] Spirit of the Age Sword of the East Greenback Massacre Psychedelic Warlords Uncle Sam's on Mars -> Iron Dream Out Here We Are [I think] Digital Nation Assassins of Allah->Space is their Palestine->Assassins of Allah Technoland [poem read by Dave] Angels of Death Ode to a Timeflower To Love a Machine Ten Seconds of Forever Angela Android Brainstorm pt. 1 Elfin Brainstorm pt. 2 * Brainbox Pollution Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future Technical problems seemed to dog the set, unfortunately. Alan's bass seemed to be running through some effect in the PA that made it sound oddly like the production effect on _Yule Ritual_, which was fine until the noise he was getting out of towards the end of `Greenback Massacre' (which I think is still a long way from being his best, but anyway) apparently blew something somewhere and after a few seconds of unpleasant noises as if the jack was coming out (which it wasn't) the soundman hauled it right down in the mix and then Dave's guitar to follow it. The sound was thus just about balanced, but this meant that `Psychedelic Warlords'was *awash* with keyboards and not enough rhythm to give it any force. Alan's bass was audible again by the second chorus and the guitar slowly came back up with it, but whatever had gone wrong never seemed to be entirely right after that, as there was fiddling with the bass rig throughout the evening and the initial sound (which was *glorious*) was never recovered. It was perfectly all right by, say, `Angels of Death' but it was never as good as it had been to start with. Nonetheless, a lot of good songs here, `Digital Nation' came over quite weakly but `Out Here We Are' was grand (though opinion seems to be divided as to whether the slow bit or the fast bit is the worthwhile one...) and the encore stuff all right on the mark. And hearing `Welcome to the Future' again brought a big warm smile to my face and made me cheer a great deal, I hadn't realised how much I'd missed it. Of the new stuff `To Love a Machine' came over well but "to love a machine is not commonplace" is *not* a line strong enough to bear repetition and I did slightly despair when I saw Dave throw his clipboard away halfway through the song because that meant that repetition of that line was all that remained... `Angela Android'had a lot of punch but did perhaps go on for a little too long, it's rhythmically fairly basic and it's not really blanga where that repetition adds to the build, it's the same all the way through. My impression, though, overall (you can stop reading now if you like) was a real quality control problem. From the floor, to me, it seemed as if the band had no idea what was good and what wasn't in their set. `Sword of the East' was *fabulous*, heavy and driving with enough keyboards to float on, and of course that was partly the mix which is why they didn't manage to be so transcendent again, but on the other hand they didn't help matters themselves. I don't think `Greenback Massacre' is much of a song but it's almost the only old-fashioned rocker in the new material so of course it's got to be played. And I wouldn't argue with any of the setlist choices really, just how they were done. `Angels of Death' came out of this bubbly synth set-up which was both the wrong key and the wrong rhythm, it began horribly and uninterestingly slow with no pace at all as a result. `Ode to a Timeflower' was just a techno backing which made what was once an interesting poem impossible to hear. The apparently techno-enthusiast part of the audience seemed to dig the beats but there was no point in doing the two bits together, they contributed nothing to each other and you couldn't hear either properly for the other. It's not as if they bothered to program it so that it matched the speed of the delivery... Likewise, `Ten Seconds of Forever' is a poem about the end of the world, or possibly about an aeroplane take-off as Mike H. insisted, it doesn't want a warm comfy synth backing something like `Kauai' which is what it got (though points to Dibs for a faithful reading, his contributions were, you know, familiar, but well-done at all points). What they thought they were doing with `Brainstorm' by stopping it, actually stopping, pausing to get things set up for `Elfin' (different pace and again different key unless I'm much mistaken) and then stopping that clean as well and breaking back into the riff--I mean, why do they think that's a good thing to do? After this long I'd expect them to have some idea of what material works best in combination and how to move between things and sew them together, if only because I've seen them *do* it, the Love in Space tour was a fabulous example, I don't know if _Business Trip_ is a fair reflection of the tour it records in this respect but again it's been put together by someone who understands flow and transition, and it was the same three people as I saw on stage on Friday night with no apparent sense of this at all! I don't understand why we get this warmed-up incoherent overall show. The performances, you know, they were all pretty good. The new keyboardist is definitely into it and giving some useful energy, Richard was in fine voice as well actually, Alan and Dave both playing at full strength, Dibs helping a lot, but no sensitivity to their own material, or so it seemed to me, so that it kept being set up from the wrong key or pace or mood... I said it was personal, and it is, of course, because what it's coming down to is: "if I were Hawkwind I wouldn't do it like that". I say this sort of thing about other bands around my girlfriend and she offers to buy me a guitar for next birthday to remind me gently that I actually can't do any of this stuff myself. And yeah, it's all very well acting the part of armchair creative director but Deb Frost would have torn me limb from limb for lack of valid experience if she were still reading, and she'd have been right. What it comes down to is, Hawkwind put on a show with lots of good stuff in which I myself thought was badly matched up and linked. But it can't just be that I was younger and more enthusiastic when I thought they were doing it right, can it? On the other hand, it doesn't really seem more likely that they could collectively lose it, so I don't really know why I'm not happy with this Hawkwind in performance. What I can explain I have, sort of thing. I hope the other shows were better than this. Yours, Jon ObMP3s: Quarkspace - _Drop_ (let it never be said I'm not prepared to give stuff another try when kicked at offlist by offended musicians) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From youless at COX.NET Sun Dec 19 18:13:13 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:13:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th Message-ID: Hi Jon His first name is Jason and he previously played keyboards with Captain Rizz. Having checked the sleeve notes of Rizz's "Manifesto" CD, all I can tell you about his surname is that it wasn't given - he was referred to therein as "Jason 'Jazy Jay' " Excellent review of the gig BTW Steve ----------------------------------------------- On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:39:21 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: Perhaps someone else can tell me who the fourth member was, a big bald bloke with a boxer's nose playing keyboard and synth From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Dec 20 04:45:59 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:59 -0000 Subject: Classic Rock Message-ID: Six pages on HW in the new (January) issue of Classic Rock. It's about the Space Ritual tour unfortunatly (does anyone ever actually cover anything the band have done since `75???) but still looks pretty cool. Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Dec 20 04:47:07 2004 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:47:07 -0000 Subject: Classic Rock 2 Message-ID: Ah, just read it more carefully. Its just an extract from Carol Clerks book, not an original article. Nice pics though. Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Dec 20 06:07:15 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:07:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19-Dec-2004 21:39, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Dave appeared > to have no sytnths or keyboards at all! This turned out not to be the > case, he was getting his favourite `laser attack' noise out of a box in a > stack which I suppose must have been a sampler often enough, but still, > nowhere to hide. Which is good, but I spotted his various boxes sitting back on the side of the drum kit and thought it was still more synth gear than a guitarist should be allowed. > Also playing through a Pod, both guitars (he started > with a wood-finish one Gibsonish, if not actually a Gibson. I've seen it before in pics and probably on stage, but never close enough to get a good look at. Re Jason the keys player: > He was pretty good, never lost the pace, > and provided live keyboards for most of the set, even over sampled stuff > and wave sequences, which made it all sounds much more organic than I'd > been expecting from the three-piece. Should have ditched the samplers and wave station stuff for _all_ live synths! It was bizarre to see this Jason dude moving his hands around when he was quite frequently drowned out by synths and samples that he was clearly not playing. > ?Intro poem [Mike H. reckoned this was Calvert but I hope not as though I > didn't know it I thought it was pretty childish] > Spirit of the Age > Sword of the East Have to admit I paid little mind to the intro poem (it was an intro, after all), but the two actual songs were a strong opener. Good stuff. Dave was audible :) > Greenback Massacre > Psychedelic Warlords These were, from where I was standing, a bit weak (which is a shame, since I know PsyWar at least shouldn't be). The first was a bit monotone and, alas, the second as well. I could only hear this sort of vast synth wash, which kind of sucked the energy out of the vocals. It's possible there were some mixing problem, since I could hear everything except the bass and guitar most of the time, unless the synths dropped out. But Keith assured me this was really rocking over on Dave's side of the stage (I was in front of Alan, and the bass rig is usually a good thing to be in front of :) where Dave was really loud. Not on the other side! It was weak. Oh well .... > Digital Nation I thought this was pretty much an all right song, though it would have been rather better if the band had play their instruments on it! > Assassins of Allah->Space is their Palestine->Assassins of Allah > Technoland [poem read by Dave] AoA>SITP>AoA was OK, though I was suffering from the +samples -Dave situation. Ended strong, though. And I was amused by Technoland, since quantity of sequencing in the set already let me know the machines had taken over ;) > Angels of Death This was slow and weak when it started; more like Angels of Slack. It sorted itself out towards the end though. > Ode to a Timeflower For a technoish track, this sounded pretty cool, I thought. Calvert was utterly indistinguishable, though, so they could have easily had anyone saying anything (live, even!) and it would have been equally cool. > To Love a Machine I kinda dug this. It didn't do much but get loud, and then quiet, and then loud again while repeating a lot -- but that's pretty solid HW territory :) > Ten Seconds of Forever The sequenced backing tracks were completely wrong. They sounded vaguely perky and groovy, which didn't suit the vocal delivery (classically omninous) at all. > Angela Android This was all right, though Richard clearly need to get out more ;) > Brainstorm pt. 1 > Elfin > Brainstorm pt. 2 > * > Brainbox Pollution > Master of the Universe > Welcome to the Future All this rocked totally (though the transition to Elfin in the middle of Brainstorm didn't really work terribly well). Still, a strong finish, with much less sequencing and consequently the bass and guitar much more audible (from where I was standing, anyway!) which is, clearly, to be preferred. > Technical problems seemed to dog the set, unfortunately. Alan's > bass seemed to be running through some effect in the PA that made it sound > oddly like the production effect on _Yule Ritual_, which was fine until > the noise he was getting out of towards the end of `Greenback Massacre' > (which I think is still a long way from being his best, but > anyway) apparently blew something somewhere and after a few seconds of > unpleasant noises as if the jack was coming out (which it wasn't) the > soundman hauled it right down in the mix and then Dave's guitar to follow > it. Yeah, that sounded like a blown PA speaker to me rather than anything specifically coming from Alan's rig. The result was as described, though, with Alan and Dave completely overwhelmed (on that side) by the synths/sequencers. > And hearing `Welcome > to the Future' again brought a big warm smile to my face and made me cheer > a great deal, I hadn't realised how much I'd missed it. Yes, that really made things end with a bang. Very good. > My impression, though, overall (you can stop reading now if you > like) was a real quality control problem. From the floor, to me, it seemed > as if the band had no idea what was good and what wasn't in their > set. I pretty much agree with everything Jon says following his remarks above, though I guess I liked "To Love a Machine Better" (but then I wasn't paying much attention to the lyrics :) > I said it was personal, and it is, of course, because what > it's coming down to is: "if I were Hawkwind I wouldn't do it like that". I > say this sort of thing about other bands around my girlfriend and she > offers to buy me a guitar for next birthday to remind me gently that I > actually can't do any of this stuff myself. And yeah, it's all very well > acting the part of armchair creative director but Deb Frost would have > torn me limb from limb for lack of valid experience if she were still > reading, and she'd have been right. What it comes down to is, Hawkwind put > on a show with lots of good stuff in which I myself thought was badly > matched up and linked. Well, though I won't claim to play as well as Dave or Alan (and I certainly can't drum as well as Richard, who for all his electronic toys seems quite a solid drummer), I have toddled out upon the boards with guitar and bass occasionally, and I would agree that the "production" side of things was definitely the weak link. Things were not working smoothly and the basic vibe was suffering from it (as well as more basic sound reinforcement problems). I have tremendous confidence that if one forced Dave, Alan, Richard, and whatever keysman to get out there and blast away at their instruments, that with a semi-decent mix (we're talking about a basic 4-piece set-up here) and some thought about how to go from one song to another, they could put on a blinding show. Less (in terms of complexity) would be more (in terms of rocking). > But it can't just be that I was younger and more > enthusiastic when I thought they were doing it right, can it? On the other > hand, it doesn't really seem more likely that they could collectively lose > it Oh, I dunno .... Collectively losing it is one of the things at which Hawkwind have always excelled :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Dec 20 06:55:48 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:55:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A few further useless observations :) .... On 19-Dec-2004 21:39, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Also playing through a Pod, both guitars (he started > with a wood-finish one before changing to the decorated black one he > usually uses) and sampler, but as there was definitely a real amp or two > behind the thing it was still OK (don't like Pods for performance > usually). IMO, there's not much excuse for someone like Dave to be using a POD in a gig. Or, indeed, in the studio I assume he has on the farm in Devon. I use a SansAmp GT2 because a) I record in the bedroom, where there isn't room for an amp, let alone enough sound-proofing to crank it up :) and b) when I play bass live, I use a dinky little borrowed bass amp that is warmed up considerably by the presence of the amp sim. Presumably, though, Dave should not be constrained by either of these situations. Surely simply slapping the signal through a stock JCM800 or GH100L has got to sound better than a POD. A few stomp boxes and a wah pedal ought to cover most of the effects that he actually has need of, surely? OK, a bit more processing in the studio might be normal, but when you're out there in the country and and make your studio as bunker-like as you want, why not just up a sodding great amp and moving some air? You can get away with that on stage as well :) Likewise, `Ten Seconds of Forever' is a poem > about the end of the world, or possibly about an aeroplane take-off as > Mike H. insisted, it doesn't want a warm comfy synth backing something > like `Kauai' which is what it got (though points to Dibs for a faithful > reading, his contributions were, you know, familiar, but well-done at all > points). It occurs to me that the synths that Jade Man did for his "The Awakening" remake matched the mood there _far_ better and more appropriately than Hawkwind's synths on Friday's "Ten Seconds of Forever". Sure, Jade Man was explicitly aiming to reproduce the Space Ritual vibe ... but hey! It worked. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Dec 20 08:47:37 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:47:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th In-Reply-To: <41C6B263.6030100@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:07:15AM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:07:15AM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > sound reinforcement problems). I have tremendous confidence that if one > forced Dave, Alan, Richard, and whatever keysman to get out there and > blast away at their instruments, that with a semi-decent mix (we're > talking about a basic 4-piece set-up here) and some thought about how to > go from one song to another, they could put on a blinding show. Less > (in terms of complexity) would be more (in terms of rocking). That's what they were like when I saw the Palace Springs pre-release tour years ago. Stripped to a 3 piece [Dave Alan, Richard(?)], they really rocked. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 20 17:55:54 2004 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:55:54 -0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: <200412161430.iBGEUmBX011289@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Warning for anybody planning to travel over to this show who isn't familiar with Birkenhead. The venue is well tucked away. I had trouble finding it and I only work a 10 minute walk away. As far as drinking venues go I think that the best bet would be to get close to Hamilton Square. There are several pubs/bars just up Argyle Street including the ever reliable Wetherspoons (the Brass Balance). Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 16 December 2004 14:31 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? FoFP From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Dec 20 18:47:28 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:47:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond Message-ID: 10 moments of forever.. 1 - put the staff payroll onto automatic payment for Monday (hope this has worked - I'm dead if it hasn't!) 2 - leave the work's office Christmas dinner party early (Thank goodness!) 3 - wake up and catch plane flight from Edinburgh to Exeter (I recommend this - 1.5 hours by plane rather than 9 hours train journey - cheap since they are trying to promote it - excellent journey) 4 - phone sister (who has forgotten I was coming down!) to come and pick me up from the airport. Enjoy family day out. 5 - Check into hotel. Another recommendation here - Park View Hotel in Howell Road, Exeter - slightly overpriced for a single room en-suite at ?40 but well situated - very comfortable - a dozen or so bedrooms - smallish rooms but well organised and a very friendly and laid back owner who turned out to be a Hawkwind fan. He accepted me phoning up from the Phoenix to make another booking for someone we met there even knowing we wouldn't be 'til after midnight and then gave us a reduced rate for the single room. Great place - I'm definitely going back there! 6 - get to venue early and have a enjoyable meeting up with Arin and Richard - eat dinner (enormous helpings!) - watch Hawkwind show. Slightly disappointing in some ways - possibly spoiled by the fact that I'd seen the set at Newcastle and not helped by the intense smoke that was drifting in hazy layers throughout the hall and inhaling this lot on top of a large dinner left me feeling surprisingly unwell. However once that passed - the show: no dancers - which was interesting because you could focus on Hawkwind's music without distractions and the light show was much more visible on a large backdrop. It was good but took me a while to enjoy it - too many breaks between songs - the segue flow wasn't there - Digital Nation coming after the instrumental track seemed to really slow everything down (although both are good tracks) and Angels of Death was another slow number coming after the excitement of Hassan-i-Sahba - but from Ode to a Timeflower I felt everything come to life and even a young lass in front of me in a short black dress suddenly decided this was a great gig and started dancing enthusiastically so the show ended powerfully and everyone seemed to go away really happy - except that it was chucking down waterfalls of rain outside and all the taxis were booked up until 2.45am! So we got somewhat wet walking back to the hotel which thankfully was quite close by. 7 - take a train - travel through some astonishingly flooded bits of the countryside then through snow covered countryside into a cold London. Find hotel - have dinner and a bath - find the pub and meet up with some really nice people most of whom (to my great embarrassment and shame) I could not remember the names of - I am definitely losing the memory battle here - I recognise all the faces but never a name to go with them. So apologies to everyone I spoke to but didn't know by name! 8 - wait in pub until the queue is no longer twice round the block - go along to venue and don't even get searched! Follow Mike Holmes and friends into a brilliant position on the balcony area with an excellent view - good sound and enjoy the show. This was brilliant - even the dancers were good - somehow what they were doing on this occasion was far more related to what the band were playing and felt natural without detracting from either the music or the lightshow. Matthew Wright did the readings (he does look menacing with no hair and a lab coat!) and I thought did them well - where Dibs has sonorous power in his voice Matthew Wright has feeling and emotion and I preferred that. 10 Seconds of Forever (IMO!!) needs emotion - rather than threat - the danger is already implied in the countdown but the countdown isn't important until right at the end - it's only a background to the intense images and these are the really important bits. (Digression 1: - My feeling about Calvert's poetry is that he wrote video poems - almost as if he saw a kalaidoscope of images flashing past him and then wrote them down to create a sequence of moving images (Mike Holmes cites the first verse of Quark Strangeness and Charm to show that this isn't always the case - but almost all his other writing seems to me to be intensely visual and vivid). Anyhow it's only right at the end of 10 Seconds of Forever - when time runs out that the countdown and the images become one and the same i.e. Oblivion (never, never, never...). I loved Digital Nation this time - because there seemed to be an element of threat in the background music to this that hadn't been present before and that extra dimension made the song so much more compelling (Digression 2: - also there was a story on the BBC Web site that a Gamer has just spent $26,500 - real money! - to buy an island that only exists in a computer role playing game and he will be able to recoup that money by charging other gamers real money to purchase mineral rights or to buy house plots so they can build virtual houses). All the tracks flowed beautifully into each other and the reason for the odd electronic pause in the middle of Brainstorm was completely explained when Dumpy came in and did a storming guitar session in that section and he seemed to be enjoying every second of it! (Digression 3: - the only previous occasion I've ever seen Dumpy was on stage at a small Edinburgh venue in the 1990s and he took his trousers off.... mooning I think it's called!). Angela Android was a masterly track and To Love A Machine had returned to a more guitar sounding keyboard rather than the piano it was in Exeter. The house lights were stunning - at one stage in Hassan i'Sahba the band was playing behind a wash of yellow light that transformed the whole stage into a desert coloured scene - astonishingly effective. By Brainstorm the stobes were so intense you were looking through a haze of light onto a stage that almost seemed to float disconnected behind this visual veil. And the long white strip of nylon that the dancers played with across the front of the stage had shimmering coloured light patterns reflecting off it that twisted and danced beautifully. Excellent show. 9 - follow friends back to the hotel and mellow out over sandwiches and beer, meet up with Merrick and Julie, Rik and Val (glad you liked Edinburgh!) say hi and goodbye to Arin and Richard again (these brief meetings are never long enough!) 10 - go to bed - wake up and catch train home reflecting on the astonishing way that the band have, even in the course of this one tour, taken new tracks and developed them so effectively that I have been unable (even though I don't know the words yet!) to stop singing the flipping things! They are familar tracks now. So thank you to Hawkwind and Happy Solstice and other Seasonal greetings to one and all. jill PS: I'm sure there was a quotation from Hamlet ("taking arms against a sea of troubles") during the show at Exeter but it had gone again by Astoria so I can't for the life of me remember where it fitted in! ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 21 03:46:51 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:46:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Cambridge Corn Exchange, Friday 17th In-Reply-To: <20041220084737.A19622@cugc.org> Message-ID: On 20 Dec 2004, at 13:47, Stephen Swann wrote: > That's what they were like when I saw the Palace > Springs pre-release tour years ago. Stripped to a 3 > piece [Dave Alan, Richard(?)], they really rocked. Yeah, the tapes I've heard from that period -- and from after, in the run up to Electric Teepee -- I think are some of the best post-Lemmy Hawkwind (especially if we leave the mid-80s Huw-era/COTBS stuff to one side, which I like, but which is also really quite a different thing in many ways). Which just goes to show once again what we knew: that the people in the band should play their instruments (guitar/bass/drums and a living synth-er, please) and not muck about with all the other toys in the shop. After all, surely that's what indulgent side-projects are for? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 08:28:10 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:28:10 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: Like an idiot I assumed that there would be tickets on sale at the door tonight and now I just found out that the Birkenhead gig has sold out :( On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:55:54 -0000, Mark Von Bargen wrote: >Warning for anybody planning to travel over to this show who isn't familiar >with Birkenhead. The venue is well tucked away. I had trouble finding it and >I only work a 10 minute walk away. >As far as drinking venues go I think that the best bet would be to get close >to Hamilton Square. There are several pubs/bars just up Argyle Street >including the ever reliable Wetherspoons (the Brass Balance). > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On >Behalf Of M Holmes >Sent: 16 December 2004 14:31 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > >Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? > >FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 08:42:49 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:42:49 +0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the Astoria was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that was down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe the band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in the charts, maybe, just maybe? Eddie. >From: Alastair Sumner >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:28:10 -0500 > >Like an idiot I assumed that there would be tickets on sale at the door >tonight and now I just found out that the Birkenhead gig has sold out :( > >On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:55:54 -0000, Mark Von Bargen >wrote: > > >Warning for anybody planning to travel over to this show who isn't >familiar > >with Birkenhead. The venue is well tucked away. I had trouble finding it >and > >I only work a 10 minute walk away. > >As far as drinking venues go I think that the best bet would be to get >close > >to Hamilton Square. There are several pubs/bars just up Argyle Street > >including the ever reliable Wetherspoons (the Brass Balance). > > > >Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >On > >Behalf Of M Holmes > >Sent: 16 December 2004 14:31 > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > > > >Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? > > > >FoFP From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 09:05:41 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:05:41 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: Is there likely to be anyone selling tickets outside? I could really kick myself. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:42:49 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the Astoria >was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that was >down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe the >band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in the >charts, maybe, just maybe? > >Eddie. > >>From: Alastair Sumner >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:28:10 -0500 >> >>Like an idiot I assumed that there would be tickets on sale at the door >>tonight and now I just found out that the Birkenhead gig has sold out :( >> >>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:55:54 -0000, Mark Von Bargen >>wrote: >> >> >Warning for anybody planning to travel over to this show who isn't >>familiar >> >with Birkenhead. The venue is well tucked away. I had trouble finding it >>and >> >I only work a 10 minute walk away. >> >As far as drinking venues go I think that the best bet would be to get >>close >> >to Hamilton Square. There are several pubs/bars just up Argyle Street >> >including the ever reliable Wetherspoons (the Brass Balance). >> > >> >Mark >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >>On >> >Behalf Of M Holmes >> >Sent: 16 December 2004 14:31 >> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >> > >> >Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? >> > >> >FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 09:14:13 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:14:13 +0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was at the Astoria, hate given money to ticket touts but sometimes it's the only way. Being Birkenhead which is not far from Liverpool, if there weren't touts I'd eat my hat! >From: Alastair Sumner >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:05:41 -0500 > >Is there likely to be anyone selling tickets outside? I could really kick >myself. > >On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:42:49 +0000, eddie jobson >wrote: > > >Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the >Astoria > >was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that >was > >down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe the > >band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in >the > >charts, maybe, just maybe? > > > >Eddie. > > > >>From: Alastair Sumner > >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > >>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:28:10 -0500 > >> > >>Like an idiot I assumed that there would be tickets on sale at the door > >>tonight and now I just found out that the Birkenhead gig has sold out :( > >> > >>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:55:54 -0000, Mark Von Bargen > > >>wrote: > >> > >> >Warning for anybody planning to travel over to this show who isn't > >>familiar > >> >with Birkenhead. The venue is well tucked away. I had trouble finding >it > >>and > >> >I only work a 10 minute walk away. > >> >As far as drinking venues go I think that the best bet would be to get > >>close > >> >to Hamilton Square. There are several pubs/bars just up Argyle Street > >> >including the ever reliable Wetherspoons (the Brass Balance). > >> > > >> >Mark > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >>On > >> >Behalf Of M Holmes > >> >Sent: 16 December 2004 14:31 > >> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> >Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > >> > > >> >Any folks with an idea where to meet beforehand? > >> > > >> >FoFP From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Dec 21 09:21:40 2004 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:21:40 -0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: At the astoria there were touts, who were selling at a loss (?20 compared to ?22) but then london always has touts. mike -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Sumner [mailto:alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: 21 December 2004 14:06 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Is there likely to be anyone selling tickets outside? 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Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 21 09:37:06 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:37:06 +0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead and stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21-Dec-2004 13:42, eddie jobson wrote: > maybe the > band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in the > charts, maybe, just maybe? Surely they would have had to at least release the album and the single for that to happen! ;) Cheers, Carl ps: IMO, Hawkwind should release straight to iTMS. I hear Bob Weir/Ratdog have been negotiating with Apple to release individual songs straight to iTunes without the kerfuffle of singles and albums. And they should do a Phish-style live downloads thing ... though maybe they'd be better off not running livehawkwind.com themselve and should just hook up with livedownloads.com? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 21 09:53:33 2004 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:53:33 +0300 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: How many people were there, how do you think?.. Alisa > Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the Astoria > was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that was > down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe the > band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in the > charts, maybe, just maybe? From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 10:15:10 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:15:10 +0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: <001701c4e76c$d7aab670$2efdfea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: When I bought my tickets I think the guy in the box office said it held 3,500 and it was pretty full so probably 3,000 plus. >From: Alisa >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:53:33 +0300 > >How many people were there, how do you think?.. > >Alisa > > > Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the >Astoria > > was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that >was > > down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe >the > > band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in >the > > charts, maybe, just maybe? From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 11:41:21 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:21 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:15:10 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >When I bought my tickets I think the guy in the box office said it held >3,500 and it was pretty full so probably 3,000 plus. Really?? I always thought the capacity of the Astoria was about 1500. I'm hopeless at judging the numbers in a crowd though. But 3000 sounds like a *big* crowd for HW, Hammersmith Odeon back in the glory days can't have held many more than that. Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 21 11:52:41 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:52:41 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:21 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >Really?? I always thought the capacity of the Astoria was about 1500. According to Ticketbastard it's 1600: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/venue/196636 while this site puts it at 2000: http://www.drownedinsound.com/venue.php?id=20 either way, I think 3,500 can safely be ruled out, unfortunately. Brixton Academy is 4700 incidentally. Nick From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Dec 21 14:20:24 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:20:24 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:41:21AM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > But 3000 sounds like a > *big* crowd for HW, Hammersmith Odeon back in the glory days can't have > held many more than that. Hammersmith had a capacity of 3500ish (it was precisely 3483 according to one Whitesnake page, but a few other web pages just give 3500). Now, it seems, they've increased its capacity by removing the stalls seating. They've also renamed it to the Carling Apollo Hammersmith, about which Lemmy had this to say (from its stage): We all know it's the Hammersmith Odeon, so why don't they f**kin' bring the name back? What's with all this Apollo s**t?! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 21 15:21:43 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:21:43 -0500 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:20:24 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >Now, it seems, they've increased its capacity by removing the >stalls seating. They've also renamed it to the Carling Apollo >Hammersmith, about which Lemmy had this to say (from its stage): > We all know it's the Hammersmith Odeon, so why don't they > f**kin' bring the name back? What's with all this Apollo > s**t?! I thought that when Motorhead was there, it was always the "have-a-sniff" Odeon ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Tue Dec 21 16:17:27 2004 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:17:27 -0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <01bb01c4e6ee$45568700$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: > > 8 - This was brilliant - even the dancers were good - somehow what they > were doing on this occasion was far more related to what the band > were playing and felt natural without detracting from either the > music or the lightshow. > Was this the general opinion? I was annoyed with the dancers by the end, I thought they were over used and became too much of a distraction. As for the one with the wings, I think I could dance better. Gig itself was great though. > > jill > Jas. From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Dec 21 16:19:38 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:19:38 -0500 Subject: CAMBRIDGE AND LONDON GIG REVIEWS Message-ID: if anybody is interested I've just uploaded my review for the Cambridge and London gigs to the Hawkwind museum site, to have a look click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/please_don.htm also a few Chart Trek thoughts, hope you enjoy it regards Dave From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 21 17:48:05 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:48:05 -0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: He was lying to you; the Astoria holds about 1900-2000. ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > When I bought my tickets I think the guy in the box office said it held > 3,500 and it was pretty full so probably 3,000 plus. > > >From: Alisa > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:53:33 +0300 > > > >How many people were there, how do you think?.. > > > >Alisa > > > > > Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the > >Astoria > > > was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if that > >was > > > down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or maybe > >the > > > band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age in > >the > > > charts, maybe, just maybe? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 21 20:46:08 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:16:08 +1030 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead Message-ID: man that really has to hurt. you have my sincere sympathy. http://www.alien-dream.com http://www.soundclick.com/pro/?BandID=136265 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Sumner" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > Like an idiot I assumed that there would be tickets on sale at the door > tonight and now I just found out that the Birkenhead gig has sold out :( From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Dec 21 21:56:46 2004 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:56:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: One Eyed Bishops @ 'The Five Spot' Saturday: March 19th: ( Philadelphia ) Message-ID: One Eyed Bishops to return with Spring Equinox season opener at Philly's 'Five spot' The One Eyed Bishops will open their spring & summer dates with a Saturday night performance at Philadelphia's ''Five Spot' club. March 19th will bring the band to one of old city's premier club venues, for a 'full tilt boogie' show featuring a complete electric OEB lineup. Mark your calendars and ring in the advent of spring with The OEBs!! Doors open 9PM ( opening act TBA ) ticket prices TBA ( advance tickets can be purchased in February..see club website) approx 10:30 PM: The OEBs take the stage Once again, that's 'The Five Spot', 5 South Bank St. Philadelphia, PA (215) 574-0074 check out: http://www.thefivespot.com and check The OEB site for info about this and other spring/summer shows as they develop at: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs or http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 22 05:28:49 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:28:49 +0000 Subject: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead In-Reply-To: <003601c4e7af$229ca200$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Never believe what you're told eh? Well whatever the numbers, it was good, full up and I hadn't even realised from the previous years that it had an upstairs. >From: Colin J Allen >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:48:05 -0000 > >He was lying to you; the Astoria holds about 1900-2000. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie jobson" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:15 PM >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > > > > When I bought my tickets I think the guy in the box office said it held > > 3,500 and it was pretty full so probably 3,000 plus. > > > > >From: Alisa > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: Exeter/Manchester/Birkenhead > > >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:53:33 +0300 > > > > > >How many people were there, how do you think?.. > > > > > >Alisa > > > > > > > Not surprised in a way that some venues seem to be sold out as the > > >Astoria > > > > was really full and a lot busier than previous years. Not sure if >that > > >was > > > > down to the timing (just before Xmas rather than just after) or >maybe > > >the > > > > band are having a revival, new album and all that? Spirit of the Age >in > > >the > > > > charts, maybe, just maybe? From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 22 09:08:55 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:08:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Guardian review Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,1378422,00.html Nick From denis at PTI-INC.DE Wed Dec 22 10:30:25 2004 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:30:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <41C892E7.24079.D03A58C@localhost> Message-ID: Hi, On Dec 21, 2004, at 22:17 Uhr, Jason Gool wrote: [about the dancers] > Was this the general opinion? I was annoyed with the dancers by the > end, I thought they were over used and became too much of a > distraction. As for the one with the wings, I think I could dance > better. I can only speak for myself (so no general opinion... ;-), but I really liked them. The pair with the winged one I found a bit ...bizarre... (in lack of a better word), but the other two fitted real well into the whole general theme IMO. > Gig itself was great though. Yup, I liked it much better than last year's Xmas-gig. The band (and especially Dave) seemed to really enjoy themselves and it showed in all of their performances. Highlights (IMO of course): Sword of the East (*great* rocking version), Uncle Sam/The Iron Dream (a. the first time I heard that classic live; b. I love Holst's Planet-suite), Ode to a Time Flower (despite a lot of criticism I heard after the gig, *I* liked it), To Love A Machine / Angela Android. Other random thoughts: - it was great to hear some of the new songs. - Matthew Wright, although I was a bit sceptic at first, read Bob's poetry very well. - the guest syn/key-player did a good job - Dave in front of the stage, not hidden behind his gear (in nearly Fripp-like fashion *eg")... *cool* and hopefully he stays there in the future - very cool new stage und extraordinarily good lightshow (with lots of cool ideas) So, when's the new album coming out...? (c)IAO D+R np: Magma, "K.A" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 22 11:13:55 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:13:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <6722A63C-542E-11D9-AB57-000A95E48F96@pti-inc.de> Message-ID: On 22-Dec-2004 15:30, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > The band (and especially Dave) seemed to really enjoy themselves and it > showed in all of their performances. [...] > - Dave in front of the stage, not hidden behind his gear (in nearly > Fripp-like fashion *eg")... *cool* and hopefully he stays there in the > future Cambridge's technical problems aside, I would say these observations apply equally there! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 22 10:07:14 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <41C892E7.24079.D03A58C@localhost> Message-ID: On 21-Dec-2004 21:17, Jason Gool wrote: > I was annoyed with the dancers by the > end, I thought they were over used and became too much of a > distraction. To be brutally honest, I've never much rated the dancers I've seen. I mean, it's nice to see a band trying to put on a bit of a "show" in this day and age, but ... nah. But now that I think of it, I do remember a Monster Magnet gig with some good dancers! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 22 16:34:42 2004 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:34:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <41C98DA2.2050809@carlaz.com> Message-ID: The dancers weren't at Manchester so I can't comment, myself, but this reviewers comments of the Newcastle gig amused me - http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/06/hawkwind_event_feature.shtml He says of the dancers "they were blocking my view of Dave Brock?s guitar solo." All the reviews I've seen have been very positive - if they are this good on the main spring tour to promote the single/album it should do well. Mick --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 21-Dec-2004 21:17, Jason Gool wrote: > > I was annoyed with the dancers by the > > end, I thought they were over used and became too > much of a > > distraction. > > To be brutally honest, I've never much rated the > dancers I've seen. I > mean, it's nice to see a band trying to put on a bit > of a "show" in this > day and age, but ... nah. But now that I think of > it, I do remember a > Monster Magnet gig with some good dancers! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 22 17:52:24 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:52:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond Message-ID: Thank you for that link - what an excellent review - one of the most sensible I 've ever read. He keeps his comments to the here and now and refers to the past in a straightforward and non-derogatory way. His only failing is that he mentions 'Silver Machine' but the rest of the article redeems him! I see the page has another link to a Hawkwind unplugged session - haven't played it though because I hate Real Player and am trying to keep it off my computer! cheers jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond The dancers weren't at Manchester so I can't comment, myself, but this reviewers comments of the Newcastle gig amused me - http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/06/hawkwind_event_feature.shtml He says of the dancers "they were blocking my view of Dave Brock's guitar solo." All the reviews I've seen have been very positive - if they are this good on the main spring tour to promote the single/album it should do well. Mick --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 21-Dec-2004 21:17, Jason Gool wrote: > > I was annoyed with the dancers by the > > end, I thought they were over used and became too > much of a > > distraction. > > To be brutally honest, I've never much rated the > dancers I've seen. I > mean, it's nice to see a band trying to put on a bit > of a "show" in this > day and age, but ... nah. But now that I think of > it, I do remember a > Monster Magnet gig with some good dancers! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Dec 23 06:02:53 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:02:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <20041222213442.88616.qmail@web86201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael Crook wrote: > The dancers weren't at Manchester so I can't comment, > myself, but this reviewers comments of the Newcastle > gig amused me - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/06/hawkwind_event_feature.shtml > He says of the dancers "they were blocking my view of > Dave Brock?s guitar solo." Good one! :) On 22-Dec-2004 22:52, Jill Strobridge wrote: > what an excellent review - one of the > most sensible I 've ever read. He keeps his comments to the here > and now and refers to the past in a straightforward and > non-derogatory way. Maybe there is yet life and hope! :) > I see the > page has another link to a Hawkwind unplugged session - haven't > played it though because I hate Real Player and am trying to keep > it off my computer! Wow, the general run of "unplugged" stuff usually comes across as boring to me (though I can think of some notable exceptions), but Hawkwind unplugged could really be quite interesting! Have to check it out .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 23 06:13:14 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:13:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <01bb01c4e6ee$45568700$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Jill Strobridge wrote: > 10 moments of forever.. I think ideally the list needs Jill and I to go to every Hawkwind gig. I'm good at reviews which tell you why you needn't be too worried if you missed it and whenever they're really really good I just post something like "WOW" and can't describe it at all. Then Jill comes up with something like this that reminds you why people follow them round the country, and is always too tactful to criticise for more than a phrase here and there. If we both did all gigs an important cosmic balance would be achieved :-) I couldn't make London anyway, but now I'm sorry I didn't. Thanks for an excellent review Jill, and sorry not to catch you this tour! Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 23 14:25:30 2004 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:25:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Take Me To Your Leader tour Message-ID: Just a quick post to say how hugely I've enjoyed the recent Hawktour, a full report will be forthcoming. All the gigs had something to offer but Exeter, London and Manchester were probably the stand-out shows. The Astoria gig being probably the best night overall (after a very hectic day!) due to seeing lots of old friends and a cracking party at the end of the night. Thanks to the band and all the crew, see you all next time! Cheers, Nick From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Dec 23 17:13:25 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:13:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:13:14AM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I think ideally the list needs Jill and I to go to every Hawkwind > gig. A horrid, nasty job, but someone has to do it! :-) > If we both did all gigs an important cosmic balance would > be achieved :-) The Eternal Champion would be pleased, I'm sure.... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Dec 24 07:49:03 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:49:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Cambridge & Astoria Message-ID: Hey Folks... I had another great Christmas vacation in the UK this year (three years running), thanks in part to all the great souls out there in boc-land that do likewise...good to see you all again. Of course, for the second straight year, it meant blowing off the company Xmas party here in CH, but I had no problem dealing with that! Anyway, both gigs were really strong, and it was great to see both, as some things at Astoria were improved from Cambs. (and vice versa). Of course, that means that there remained the (unfulfilled) potential that absolutely *everything* could have miraculously come together perfectly all on one night, but how often does that ever happen with *any* band? Well, they were definitely much better on this tour than during the summer at Burg Herzberg (which may have had to do with its nearly 'one-off' status and also the huge rainstorm). The Corn Exchange was a really nice venue, and was 'comfortably' filled without being stuffed full, as was the Astoria (I guess 2,000 this year, whereas I'm now guessing 2003 was probably 1,600 at most). So, as I like to move about (for both viewing and just to avoid being nudged/stepped upon), that was a negative for the Astoria show, despite the obvious advantage of revenue generation for the band. The Corn Ex also had superior acoustics IMHO, 'cause HW played *really* loud and it never got echoey really. But then the PA looked rather small, and so I think it was a bit overstressed, as the left side was facing some distortion and cracking at times. That's why I abandoned that side (where I went mainly to get close to take some photos...which one can see in the Yahoo HW group in the photos section, if one wants and is a member) and went back over to the right side where the sound was much better, and had even more of Dave's guitar. Actually, it was very strong throughout the show. The sound was punchy as well, with lots of guitar at Astoria, but that hall is a little more muffly in terms of the bass, although it was better this year than what I remember from '03. Alan's bass had more definition to it this year for some reason, but still it wasn't as good at the Corn Ex. The addition of the dancers at Astoria was something that was interesting to have, working particularly well when their performance was somehow related to the music, e.g., Angela Android. They also brought in the yellow 'fairy girl' from Hawkfest '03 (who at first I thought was the same performer as from the beginning, but then there's no way a costume change could have happened so quickly when the other one came out in something different just thereafter). The new tracks are a little hit and miss, with "Letter to Robert" being IMHO particularly uninteresting, given that the vocal bit is unintelligible (at least in a live setting), and the music is uninspired noodling. "Out Here We Are" seemed better than it did on other tours, but perhaps it's just because it fit into the set better (?). "Digital Nation" has a great vocal performance from Richard (who I really like as a vocalist, despite his 'hoarse' and somewhat 'weak' voice) and seems like it could really work on disc, but with the programmed percussion it didn't work for me on either night live. AA was *much* better, even though it too has robot-percussion...of course, it rather fits with the song, but because it's such a lively piece and has such strong rhythm from bass/guitar, it worked well (plus the visuals too, at Astoria). "To Love a Machine" was the strongest of all the new material, 'cause it had a great riff to it, and had strong vocals from Dave. His voice is actually seeming to get better with age...and when he sings in the upper registers as on this one, which reminds me a bit of "Alien I Am" in that aspect, it really comes across well. I see this song is *not* on the tracklist for the new album, which is both good and bad news, 'cause they're still writing strong new material but we'll have to wait longer to hear it on disc, respectively. Anyway, the 'problems' for each show were mostly in the middle section of the set, where "Angels of Death" was also not so great, mainly 'cause they slowed it down a bit and so it got a bit sludgy. However, I noted that it got a huge reaction from the Astoria crowd, so what do I know? However, the first and last thirds of the set were really working well, particularly the first 40 minutes of the Astoria gig, which were just outstanding. "Psychedelic Warlords" was brilliant this time (I was disappointed with it at in Germany, partly because the PA went haywire, but that wasn't the only reason), and "Uncle Sam's On Mars" was also top notch! (my first times hearing this one live in person), and Dibsy was a great addition on vocals (I preferred him to M. Wright, but he was ok too). Funny that Dave (unless I'm mistaken) screwed up and cut Dibs off before he finished his last bit on USoM at Astoria. He was doing the counter-lines "...to wind up," "to grind up" etc. a final time, but only made it through the first one when Dave suddenly cued up the transition into the "Iron Dream" coda too early, and Dibs quickly had to scurry off. Anyway, it was brilliant otherwise. (I would ask if someone could confirm my suspicion through a recording, but that's against protocol to even suggest such a thing could possibly exist, so I won't). :) The "Assassins of Allah/Palestine" bit, apart from being stale and tired, also had Richard fooling around with his electronic rack and not doing the bongoing bit that he once did. I remember it well from the Cleveland Agora (1995) show (wow...this thing has now hit 10 consecutive years at least?!) where Richard did some great stuff during Palestine. It's still "OK" and I like to have these trancey bits spliced into the occasional tracks, but it's time for a new combo. Well, OK, they did a combo this time with Brainstorm (the 'bridge' music coming from "Elfin"?) that was new, but it was a bit awkward I thought. The best thing about the set was that the songs all 'fit' with the proper vocalist(s). I mean, when Alan sang, he was doing songs that suited his voice (no godawful Ejection anymore!) - yeah, "Sword of the East" really worked too, esp. at Astoria - and likewise with Dave and Richard. As a three-piece, they are now really starting to become a core group that has equal participation in all aspects, no matter if Dave always has 'leader' status. And having been continuously together so long, ignoring for the moment the 'Ron' interval on bass, it's becoming second nature to work in this unit. And so all they have to do really is choose the best set of tracks and plug 'em in, and it should work out great as long as there aren't any 'outside' problems (ie., crap venue, bad sound). Though I think the tracklist *could* have been a bit better here, if some of the more interesting 'classics' had been chosen over the more 'standard' numbers, like e.g., '7x7' in place of 'Brainstorm,' and 'Arrival in Utopia' or 'The Watcher' in place of 'Angels of Death,' but the average HW fan probably preferred the more well-known tracks, and it's hard for them to argue against crowd reaction I guess. On that note, 'Brainbox Pollution' is pretty cool to have in there as an encore, as I know there were some people around me who didn't recognize it. They are also slowly evolving *away* from the continuous flow mode of concert-performance, into one where songs end completely and then the next queued up again (sometimes with introduction), which is a bit sad. I like it best with something sorta in-between, maybe 20-minute suites of three/four tracks all working together in a flow, and then maybe a brief full-stop and shifting of gears. And finally, as Bernhard was saying, there were definitely some odd tracks in this set that were not-at-all part of the whole clone/alien/tech. theme of the show (which, with the poetry reading, dancers, and some of the new tracks, i.e., Richard's, *did* carry through *fairly* well, but could have been yet more properly arranged, "Elric/Chronicles-style")...another good reason to have jettisoned "AoA/Palestine" but alas... :) The lab coats were kinda fun (for me, as a 'first-timer' for this shtick), 'cause Dibs and the other crew guys in the same garb looked like they were part of the performance whenever they were forced out onto stage for any problem, like Alan's obvious monitor problem during the finale at Cambridge (where it looked like he was about to explode). But anyway, most of these minor grievances I have were hardly strong enough to cause me to *not* enjoy the gigs. And this one may have been yet the best of the three Xmas shows, and plenty different enough, when you think about how it was at Walthamstow with Arthur and Tim. Oh, yeah, and the backdrop decor and the lighting was really very cool, and both venues had nice high ceilings and so it came across beautifully....great job by the Chaos Ill. team. So those are my random half-prepared thoughts, which maybe I'll write up more officially for a true AI review before the year is out. I missed the V's at Cambs. but saw them and Dumpy (first time for me) both at Astoria. The V's I could have done without, though they could play their instruments well enough. Stylistically, they were a cop-out from being 'punk' and so they were just rather boringly-featureless rock through most of it. Strangely, I would have thought they could come up with a better singer...her voice was rather shrill IMHO. Their finale track, or at least the first part of it, which was an instrumental jam of some length and quality, was encouraging though, but then the funny part was that the guitarist was all set to do her final solo-cadenza bit at the song's conclusion, and on the very first note, broke her top string and the whole thing was a mess 'cause she apparently couldn't improvise a good way to play essentially the same bit on the lower strings. That's rock and roll for you, I guess! Dumpy was pretty cool, playing one single 25-minute psychy-blues jam with robotic keyboard/drum machine support, but while it worked well as an opening act, I wouldn't pay real money to see something like that. However, he's a good guitarist and did add a bit to the HW finale as well, even though he was never quite turned up high enough to match Dave's guitar. (Though that is a *good* thing in fact, 'cause that means we could all hear Dave without having to work!) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Didn't know Dave was even a "performer" until this tour! First time for everything. And he even seemed to enjoy it...wonders never cease. P.P.S. I spent *way* too much money in the UK, which meant in the end that I decided against getting one of the very nice fleeces, which seemed at 25 UKP to be a good bargain, because I also thought I would be reluctant to wear it much in daily life because they were *too* nice to mistreat. But I managed to find both HW books - Ian's and the Clark one, and also bought some DVDs, including that movie 'Stalker' people here had recommended to me, and also the whole damn Prisoner TV series. And a couple CDs, like a Land of Nod compilation and an old Trapeze concert from 1972 (I really liked that Medusa album of theirs, really the lone Glenn Hughes thing I much care for). I failed, however, to find a copy of Litmus' CD, which bummed me out, both because I still don't have it and also because it doesn't seem to have gotten distribution into the big central London stores that it (undoubtedly) deserves. Anyway, I see something about a new Krel release, so I guess I'll have to put together a long-overdue order to CDS before too long. From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Dec 24 09:27:54 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:27:54 +0100 Subject: Cambridge & Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for a GREAT review Keith !!!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:49 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Cambridge & Astoria Hey Folks... I had another great Christmas vacation in the UK this year (three years running), thanks in part to all the great souls out there in boc-land that do likewise...good to see you all again. Of course, for the second straight year, it meant blowing off the company Xmas party here in CH, but I had no problem dealing with that! Anyway, both gigs were really strong, and it was great to see both, as some things at Astoria were improved from Cambs. (and vice versa). Of course, that means that there remained the (unfulfilled) potential that absolutely *everything* could have miraculously come together perfectly all on one night, but how often does that ever happen with *any* band? Well, they were definitely much better on this tour than during the summer at Burg Herzberg (which may have had to do with its nearly 'one-off' status and also the huge rainstorm). The Corn Exchange was a really nice venue, and was 'comfortably' filled without being stuffed full, as was the Astoria (I guess 2,000 this year, whereas I'm now guessing 2003 was probably 1,600 at most). So, as I like to move about (for both viewing and just to avoid being nudged/stepped upon), that was a negative for the Astoria show, despite the obvious advantage of revenue generation for the band. The Corn Ex also had superior acoustics IMHO, 'cause HW played *really* loud and it never got echoey really. But then the PA looked rather small, and so I think it was a bit overstressed, as the left side was facing some distortion and cracking at times. That's why I abandoned that side (where I went mainly to get close to take some photos...which one can see in the Yahoo HW group in the photos section, if one wants and is a member) and went back over to the right side where the sound was much better, and had even more of Dave's guitar. Actually, it was very strong throughout the show. The sound was punchy as well, with lots of guitar at Astoria, but that hall is a little more muffly in terms of the bass, although it was better this year than what I remember from '03. Alan's bass had more definition to it this year for some reason, but still it wasn't as good at the Corn Ex. The addition of the dancers at Astoria was something that was interesting to have, working particularly well when their performance was somehow related to the music, e.g., Angela Android. They also brought in the yellow 'fairy girl' from Hawkfest '03 (who at first I thought was the same performer as from the beginning, but then there's no way a costume change could have happened so quickly when the other one came out in something different just thereafter). The new tracks are a little hit and miss, with "Letter to Robert" being IMHO particularly uninteresting, given that the vocal bit is unintelligible (at least in a live setting), and the music is uninspired noodling. "Out Here We Are" seemed better than it did on other tours, but perhaps it's just because it fit into the set better (?). "Digital Nation" has a great vocal performance from Richard (who I really like as a vocalist, despite his 'hoarse' and somewhat 'weak' voice) and seems like it could really work on disc, but with the programmed percussion it didn't work for me on either night live. AA was *much* better, even though it too has robot-percussion...of course, it rather fits with the song, but because it's such a lively piece and has such strong rhythm from bass/guitar, it worked well (plus the visuals too, at Astoria). "To Love a Machine" was the strongest of all the new material, 'cause it had a great riff to it, and had strong vocals from Dave. His voice is actually seeming to get better with age...and when he sings in the upper registers as on this one, which reminds me a bit of "Alien I Am" in that aspect, it really comes across well. I see this song is *not* on the tracklist for the new album, which is both good and bad news, 'cause they're still writing strong new material but we'll have to wait longer to hear it on disc, respectively. Anyway, the 'problems' for each show were mostly in the middle section of the set, where "Angels of Death" was also not so great, mainly 'cause they slowed it down a bit and so it got a bit sludgy. However, I noted that it got a huge reaction from the Astoria crowd, so what do I know? However, the first and last thirds of the set were really working well, particularly the first 40 minutes of the Astoria gig, which were just outstanding. "Psychedelic Warlords" was brilliant this time (I was disappointed with it at in Germany, partly because the PA went haywire, but that wasn't the only reason), and "Uncle Sam's On Mars" was also top notch! (my first times hearing this one live in person), and Dibsy was a great addition on vocals (I preferred him to M. Wright, but he was ok too). Funny that Dave (unless I'm mistaken) screwed up and cut Dibs off before he finished his last bit on USoM at Astoria. He was doing the counter-lines "...to wind up," "to grind up" etc. a final time, but only made it through the first one when Dave suddenly cued up the transition into the "Iron Dream" coda too early, and Dibs quickly had to scurry off. Anyway, it was brilliant otherwise. (I would ask if someone could confirm my suspicion through a recording, but that's against protocol to even suggest such a thing could possibly exist, so I won't). :) The "Assassins of Allah/Palestine" bit, apart from being stale and tired, also had Richard fooling around with his electronic rack and not doing the bongoing bit that he once did. I remember it well from the Cleveland Agora (1995) show (wow...this thing has now hit 10 consecutive years at least?!) where Richard did some great stuff during Palestine. It's still "OK" and I like to have these trancey bits spliced into the occasional tracks, but it's time for a new combo. Well, OK, they did a combo this time with Brainstorm (the 'bridge' music coming from "Elfin"?) that was new, but it was a bit awkward I thought. The best thing about the set was that the songs all 'fit' with the proper vocalist(s). I mean, when Alan sang, he was doing songs that suited his voice (no godawful Ejection anymore!) - yeah, "Sword of the East" really worked too, esp. at Astoria - and likewise with Dave and Richard. As a three-piece, they are now really starting to become a core group that has equal participation in all aspects, no matter if Dave always has 'leader' status. And having been continuously together so long, ignoring for the moment the 'Ron' interval on bass, it's becoming second nature to work in this unit. And so all they have to do really is choose the best set of tracks and plug 'em in, and it should work out great as long as there aren't any 'outside' problems (ie., crap venue, bad sound). Though I think the tracklist *could* have been a bit better here, if some of the more interesting 'classics' had been chosen over the more 'standard' numbers, like e.g., '7x7' in place of 'Brainstorm,' and 'Arrival in Utopia' or 'The Watcher' in place of 'Angels of Death,' but the average HW fan probably preferred the more well-known tracks, and it's hard for them to argue against crowd reaction I guess. On that note, 'Brainbox Pollution' is pretty cool to have in there as an encore, as I know there were some people around me who didn't recognize it. They are also slowly evolving *away* from the continuous flow mode of concert-performance, into one where songs end completely and then the next queued up again (sometimes with introduction), which is a bit sad. I like it best with something sorta in-between, maybe 20-minute suites of three/four tracks all working together in a flow, and then maybe a brief full-stop and shifting of gears. And finally, as Bernhard was saying, there were definitely some odd tracks in this set that were not-at-all part of the whole clone/alien/tech. theme of the show (which, with the poetry reading, dancers, and some of the new tracks, i.e., Richard's, *did* carry through *fairly* well, but could have been yet more properly arranged, "Elric/Chronicles-style")...another good reason to have jettisoned "AoA/Palestine" but alas... :) The lab coats were kinda fun (for me, as a 'first-timer' for this shtick), 'cause Dibs and the other crew guys in the same garb looked like they were part of the performance whenever they were forced out onto stage for any problem, like Alan's obvious monitor problem during the finale at Cambridge (where it looked like he was about to explode). But anyway, most of these minor grievances I have were hardly strong enough to cause me to *not* enjoy the gigs. And this one may have been yet the best of the three Xmas shows, and plenty different enough, when you think about how it was at Walthamstow with Arthur and Tim. Oh, yeah, and the backdrop decor and the lighting was really very cool, and both venues had nice high ceilings and so it came across beautifully....great job by the Chaos Ill. team. So those are my random half-prepared thoughts, which maybe I'll write up more officially for a true AI review before the year is out. I missed the V's at Cambs. but saw them and Dumpy (first time for me) both at Astoria. The V's I could have done without, though they could play their instruments well enough. Stylistically, they were a cop-out from being 'punk' and so they were just rather boringly-featureless rock through most of it. Strangely, I would have thought they could come up with a better singer...her voice was rather shrill IMHO. Their finale track, or at least the first part of it, which was an instrumental jam of some length and quality, was encouraging though, but then the funny part was that the guitarist was all set to do her final solo-cadenza bit at the song's conclusion, and on the very first note, broke her top string and the whole thing was a mess 'cause she apparently couldn't improvise a good way to play essentially the same bit on the lower strings. That's rock and roll for you, I guess! Dumpy was pretty cool, playing one single 25-minute psychy-blues jam with robotic keyboard/drum machine support, but while it worked well as an opening act, I wouldn't pay real money to see something like that. However, he's a good guitarist and did add a bit to the HW finale as well, even though he was never quite turned up high enough to match Dave's guitar. (Though that is a *good* thing in fact, 'cause that means we could all hear Dave without having to work!) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Didn't know Dave was even a "performer" until this tour! First time for everything. And he even seemed to enjoy it...wonders never cease. P.P.S. I spent *way* too much money in the UK, which meant in the end that I decided against getting one of the very nice fleeces, which seemed at 25 UKP to be a good bargain, because I also thought I would be reluctant to wear it much in daily life because they were *too* nice to mistreat. But I managed to find both HW books - Ian's and the Clark one, and also bought some DVDs, including that movie 'Stalker' people here had recommended to me, and also the whole damn Prisoner TV series. And a couple CDs, like a Land of Nod compilation and an old Trapeze concert from 1972 (I really liked that Medusa album of theirs, really the lone Glenn Hughes thing I much care for). I failed, however, to find a copy of Litmus' CD, which bummed me out, both because I still don't have it and also because it doesn't seem to have gotten distribution into the big central London stores that it (undoubtedly) deserves. Anyway, I see something about a new Krel release, so I guess I'll have to put together a long-overdue order to CDS before too long. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 24 12:03:46 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:03:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond In-Reply-To: <41C98DA2.2050809@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 21-Dec-2004 21:17, Jason Gool wrote: > > I was annoyed with the dancers by the > > end, I thought they were over used and became too much of a > > distraction. > > To be brutally honest, I've never much rated the dancers I've seen. I > mean, it's nice to see a band trying to put on a bit of a "show" in this > day and age, but ... nah. But now that I think of it, I do remember a > Monster Magnet gig with some good dancers! The dancer stage left at Monster Magnet was, um. I'm not sure my choice of words won't reveal that my appreciation was not 100% art-based. But she was *really* enjoying her work. Hawkwind's dancers, Kris excepted obviously as she always seems to have fun and add a certain amount of "Rargh!" to a performance, have never struck me as terribly interesting, *except* the ones they had on the Love in Space tour, where everything was very nicely tied into the show. The trapeze artist during `Love in Space', for example, perfect complement to the show. By contrast, Angie who dances for ICU and various other bits of Nik's enterprises *can actually dance* and I've never had any objections to that except the silly iDog she uses as a prop sometimes. It can be done. For some reason Hawkwind's dancer however often don't do it, for me anyway. I sometimes wonder who does the choreography and stuff for the successful shows. Who is it that makes it work who's not there when it doesn't, or is it just that whoever does is erratic? Yours, Jon ObCD: Motorhead -_Motorhead_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Fri Dec 24 17:41:15 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:41:15 -0800 Subject: OFF: Binar, or The Artists Formerly Known As Spank The Dark Monkey Message-ID: I've been listening to Binar's "The Truth Sets Us Free" a LOT lately. If 'Stonehenge Decoded' does it for you, you'll like what Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle are doing these days..... http://www.binar.co.uk/182683/371880.html KevinSommers From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Dec 24 19:21:32 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:21:32 -0500 Subject: It's Frond-tastic, matey! Message-ID: If any in the USA are looking for a last-minute Yuletide indulgence, you should look no further than the Bevis Frond MEGA-DEAL Rubric Records are still running. I took advantage of this a month or so ago, and it seems from their page that they're still running it. It looks like they're trying to clear out their overstocks and returns (much like Woronzow in the UK seem to be doing). In short, they're flogging a bundle of 11 Bevis Frond and related CDs for $75, and that *includes* postage. Not only do you get a Frond-tastic bookend of early and recent Frond albums (including the classic _New River Head_ and the latest release, _Hit Squad_), but they also chuck in the mighty _Acid Jam 2_ and the delightful guilty pleasure _Fed to Your Head_ by Scorched Earth (pseudonymous Frond in retro stoner mode). Better yet, they bung in two tasty Adrian Shaw solo albums (though the Rubric main page appears at odds with this and substitutes this with a Tony Hill album and a Rubric compilation). If you've ever been tempted to dip into the eclectic Frond waters, this is a great deal not to pass up. Get it while they're giving them away. See http://www.rubricrecords.com/bands/bevisfrond.html for details. Cheers, Paul. PS: I have no affiliation with Rubric Records. I'm just a Bevis Frond fan who thinks this is a stonkingly good deal. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Hit me with a solid eight Jackson!" --- The Bevis Frond, "Tangerine Infringement Beak" From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Dec 24 22:31:53 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:31:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Kozmik Ken Experience and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 25, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Kozmik Ken Experience (December 2004), and Drool Trough (show #23). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Kozmik Ken Experience (December 2004) The Psychedelic Avengers - "In which the might silver wing leaves the solar system, starts its old tremendous metagrav drive and jumps into hyperspace" (from The Psychedelic Avengers and the Curse of the Universe) Apryl Fool - "The Lost Mother Land (Part 1)" (from Love, Peace and Poetry-Japanese Psychedelic Music) Kingston Wall - "On My Own" (from Kingston Wall) Liquid Visions - bonus track (from From the Cube) Ethereal Counterbalance - "Splashed" (from Mellifluous Confluence) West Indian Girl - "Miles From Monterey" (from West Indian Girl) Olivia Tremor Control - "A Sleepy Company" (from Black Foliage) Nick Nicely - "100 Years Later" (from Psychotropia) The Lazily Spun - "Halcyon Days" (from The Lazily Spun) Epidaurus - "Wings of the Dove" (from Earthly Paradise) Saturnia - "Sunflower" (from Hydroponic Gardening) Space Mirrors - "It's Cold Today in Underworld" (from The Darker Side of Art) Drool Trough (show #23) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Charles Rice Goff III - "Celebrity Jingle Bells" (from Five Jingle Bells) The Stoneage Hearts - "Your Greed" (from Guilty As Sin) Census Of Hallucinations - "Brain Drain" (from Nine Lives) General Kustard - "Unforce" (from General Kustard) Peter Ashby - "What Is Will Be" (from Crust: A Falling A Sampler) Tim Mungenast - "Dead Tree Scroll" (from The Un-Stableboy) Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective - "How Do You Dial 911?" (from Jihad Cafe) Charles Rice Goff III - "Spacey Jingle Bells" (from Five Jingle Bells) Mushroom - "Pusherman" (from Mad Dogs & San Franciscans) UFO Jim - "Buddy Holly Girl" (soon to be released) Phyllis Addison - "Mystery" (from Seven Gifts) Lust Murder Box - "Control" (from Lust Murder Box) Little Fyodor - "Small Talk" (from Beneath The Uber-Putz) Charles Rice Goff III - "Classical Jingle Bells" (from Five Jingle Bells) The Urania News - "Satisfaction First" (from Theory and Practise: How to Infiltrate the Idea of Scorched Earth Into Our Daily Soil) Canard - "Ocean W?rm" (from A Pleasure To Be Around) Flight 09 - "One Night Without You" (from Human Nature) After Them - "Man Inside My Radio" (from After Them) UFO Jim - "Czech Republic Space Girls" (soon to be released) Charles Rice Goff III - "Noisy Jingle Bells" (from Five Jingle Bells) Desperate Friends - "Running To The River" (from Passion and Pain) Vertigo Hold - "Voices That My Fingers Hear" (from For The Record #1) Tim Burness - "Unstoppable Waves Of Joy" (from Finding New Ways To Love) Jimmy Sparks & The Mist - "Mist In The Trees" (from Jimmy Sparks & The Mist) Deep Dickollective - "Burnout" (from Azadi! A Benefit Compilation for the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan) Charles Rice Goff III - "Joker Jingle Bells" (from Five Jingle Bells) http://Aural-Innovations.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Dec 25 10:47:11 2004 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:47:11 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/14/dave_brock_feature .shtml From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Dec 25 11:12:18 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:12:18 EST Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview Message-ID: In a message dated 12/25/2004 10:49:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE writes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/14/dave_brock_feature .shtml Thanks Bern and a MERRY CHRISTMAS to all! Best regards, Bill Stewart From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 25 13:31:43 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:31:43 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview In-Reply-To: <002801c4ea98$ffcf70d0$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/14/dave_brock_feature > .shtml That's another good write-up, isn't it, the emphasis on trance-before-its-time can't hurt. Interesting both to see Dave talking about jazz and Lemmy ("when I'm in Los Angeles"...! How often's Dave in USA at all?) and also interesting to see Kris is now the manager as far as journalists are concerned. Generally a good publicity piece I'd say. The BBC always take an interest it seems, but every little helps. Yours, Jon P. S. Anyone tried that Unplugged link? I've not dared install Real Player on a system already flaky. P. P. S. Oh, and, happy holiday to them as is inclined to make one. -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Dec 25 19:53:59 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:53:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond Message-ID: Thank you for the compliment though I wish I'd done a better job of trying to get the imagery across - I'm useless at the sensible balanced structured review (such as Keith's excellent article which I've just read!) and have to rely on creating a subjective feel of the show from an audience point of view and try to convey some of the excitement. Actually I feel that every Hawkwind show has to be a subjective experience since everybody goes along with a preconceived ideal in mind of the sound they are hoping to hear. People who already know Hawkwind usually have a preferred 'period' while the personal music style for anyone who doesn't already know Hawkwind is usually one that they have grown up with and these days it's usually a trance/dance or ethnic. It's a great tribute to the band that at the end of a show such as Astoria nearly everyone in the audience is saying 'that was great. I heard just what I wanted to hear and it created just the right atmosphere'. In fact for me the whole thing is an adventure! I invariably set off for an unknown part of the country that I have never visited before and would never otherwise have thought of doing so - wander, usually completely lost, around a strange and alien city trying to locate accommodation that has been chosen at random off a computer screen and could be almost anything - establish my temporary home in a stranger's house - try to find somewhere to eat in a facility that bears some resemblance to something I would trust - wander (usually in the dark) into uncertain parts of this unknown city in search of a venue guided only by a computer generated map to which I must trust the accuracy of and when I find the venue there's the uncertainty of who is playing in the band and what will it be like? It's inevitable that some aspects of the gig won't work quite as well as they should and don't produce the right atmosphere and sometimes that's due to my frame of mind and unfulfilled expectations or sometimes the fault of the performance but there are always aspects that do work and that is reward enough - to find sanctuary in a strange city - hear music I recognise and enjoy and see a show I can relax into and take away memories of at the end - and come home safe afterwards. This is a pleasure and I fully intend to appreciate every minute of it! Peace, safe journeys and a good festive season to all! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: Exeter Astoria and beyond > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Jill Strobridge wrote: > >> 10 moments of forever.. > > > > I think ideally the list needs Jill and I to go to every > Hawkwind > gig. I'm good at reviews which tell you why you needn't be too > worried if > you missed it and whenever they're really really good I just post > something like "WOW" and can't describe it at all. Then Jill > comes up with > something like this that reminds you why people follow them round > the > country, and is always too tactful to criticise for more than a > phrase > here and there. If we both did all gigs an important cosmic > balance would > be achieved :-) I couldn't make London anyway, but now I'm sorry > I > didn't. Thanks for an excellent review Jill, and sorry not to > catch you this tour! Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at > students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising > sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good > advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth > century) > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Dec 26 21:24:42 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:24:42 -0000 Subject: Cambridge & Astoria Message-ID: Sadly for your bank balance, both in stock now - lol Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henderson Keith To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: HW: Cambridge & Astoria > I failed, however, to find a copy of Litmus' CD, which bummed me out, both > because I still don't have it and also because it doesn't seem to have > gotten distribution into the big central London stores that it (undoubtedly) > deserves. Anyway, I see something about a new Krel release, so I guess I'll > have to put together a long-overdue order to CDS before too long. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 27 16:36:04 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:36:04 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview In-Reply-To: <002801c4ea98$ffcf70d0$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: Thanks for that link Bernhard. A BBC2 programme was mentioned, does anyone know when that is due to be on? >From: "bernhard.pospiech" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview >Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:47:11 +0100 > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2004/12/14/dave_brock_feature >.shtml From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Tue Dec 28 05:06:55 2004 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:06:55 -0000 Subject: HAWKWIND / Dave Brock interview Message-ID: Eddie wrote: > Thanks for that link Bernhard. A BBC2 programme was mentioned, does anyone > know when that is due to be on? If this is the Motorhead documentary you're referring to, the answer is - tomorrow night @ 11:15 when 'Ace of Spades' gets the 'Classic Albums' treatment. Unless the BBC have commissioned *2* Motorhead documentaries, this must be the one for which Dave has recently been interviewed (as announced on Mission Control). Dave From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 28 10:33:06 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my old Aiwa midi system. Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you think makes Hawkwind come alive? From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 28 13:47:50 2004 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:47:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Photos In-Reply-To: <004601c4ecc4$f6fae740$3fe58851@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: Folks, I've put together a little website with some Hawkwind photos. http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm All that's on there at present are a bunch of photos by Ron Wright who took them at the Edinburgh Playhouse soundcheck on 13 November 1986. I'll add to it in future...most of my photos ain't as good as his though. In fact some of them are downright crap, but they're going on regardless. I'll post further messages when I update the site. Cheers -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 28/12/2004 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Dec 28 14:13:30 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:13:30 EST Subject: HW: Photos Message-ID: Thanks! That was fun! Best regards, Bill Stewart From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 28 14:54:29 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:54:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Announcement Message-ID: Hi all, Just to let you know that Litmus will be playing at the 10th Roadburn Festival at the 013 in Tilburg, Holland on Saturday April 9th 2005. This event features 3 stages: spacerock, stoner/garage and doom/noise. The whole event is broadcast live over the internet by VPRO 3VOOR12; recordings of previous events are available at http://www.roadburn.com. Just to recapitulate, Litmus gigs so far booked for 2005 are: 15 January - Exeter Phoenix (supporting Ozric Tentacles) 20 January - Bristol Fleece (supporting Julian Cope) 22 January - Woverhampton Wulfrun (supporting Julian Cope) 23 January - Sheffield Leadmill (supporting Julian Cope) 24 January - Liverpool Academy (supporting Julian Cope) 4th March - The Uplands Tavern, Swansea 5th March - The Rhondda Hotel, Porth 9th April - Roadburn Festival, 013, Tilburg, Netherlands Hopefully, we will see you at one (or more) of these. Colin From youless at COX.NET Tue Dec 28 22:28:00 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:28:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: Personally I use anything that's to hand and try to hear the music and not what it's being played on. Aiwa shelf system in the bedroom, Sony boombox in the bathroom, bog standard cassette player in the (elderly) car, very loud Yamaha component system in the living room...but what I always do is mess with the tone controls, and put the graphic equaliser, if there is one, into a kind of "M" shape. I also think some of the "neutral and lifeless sound" is the flat response of CD's compared to the aurally pleasing distortions of vinyl...just IMHO Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner wrote: >I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to >listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD >player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound >I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't >put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my >old Aiwa midi system. Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead >and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new >system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you >think makes Hawkwind come alive? From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 28 22:50:23 2004 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:50:23 EST Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: Usually Real player on the 'puter, tho' Windows Media Player has that 'light show thingy' on it, which is cool. Sony shelf system in the bedroom, Panasonic DVD player in the living room, and some 'no name' CD/stereo in the car. Joe From coral at APORT.RU Wed Dec 29 02:55:17 2004 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:55:17 +0300 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: I see now why you wrote so many bad reviews... No proper drums, no proper bass, just noises you hear... > Personally I use anything that's to hand and try to hear the music and not > what it's being played on. Aiwa shelf system in the bedroom, Sony boombox > in the bathroom, bog standard cassette player in the (elderly) car, very > loud Yamaha component system in the living room...but what I always do is > mess with the tone controls, and put the graphic equaliser, if there is > one, into a kind of "M" shape. I think the sound on vinyl is more flat and lifeless than on cd. The only case when it can be lifeless on cd is when the recording is badly transfered from vinyl without proper mastering. > I also think some of the "neutral and lifeless sound" is the flat response > of CD's compared to the aurally pleasing distortions of vinyl...just IMHO > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner > wrote: > > >I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to > >listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD > >player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound > >I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't > >put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my > >old Aiwa midi system. Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead > >and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new > >system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you > >think makes Hawkwind come alive? > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 28 18:30:10 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:30:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: Your brain, of course...I listen to the Hawks (and everything else) on standard $300-400 range stereo systems, nothing fancy, and it just sounds great to me. And even better with my $16 headphones. tim 8>)... Alastair Sumner wrote: > > I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to > listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD > player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound > I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't > put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my > old Aiwa midi system. Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead > and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new > system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you > think makes Hawkwind come alive? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 29 07:44:47 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:14:47 +1030 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: the reason vinyl sounds "warm" to those who grew up listening to it before cd is because vinyl and all analog is mildly distorted and mildly fuzzy giving the impression of a warmth. I grew up with LP's to start with but now when I play them they sound awful. hissy, scratchy even new and often noisy as anything. Really CD's have a better dynamic range and total sound quality. Just a shame about the wee little inserts. LP covers are more pleasing artistically for sure. http://www.alien-dream.com http://www.soundclick.com/pro/?BandID=136265 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Re: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? >I see now why you wrote so many bad reviews... No proper drums, no proper > bass, just noises you hear... > >> Personally I use anything that's to hand and try to hear the music and >> not >> what it's being played on. Aiwa shelf system in the bedroom, Sony >> boombox >> in the bathroom, bog standard cassette player in the (elderly) car, very >> loud Yamaha component system in the living room...but what I always do is >> mess with the tone controls, and put the graphic equaliser, if there is >> one, into a kind of "M" shape. > > I think the sound on vinyl is more flat and lifeless than on cd. The only > case when it can be lifeless on cd is when the recording is badly > transfered > from vinyl without proper mastering. > >> I also think some of the "neutral and lifeless sound" is the flat >> response >> of CD's compared to the aurally pleasing distortions of vinyl...just IMHO >> >> Steve >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - >> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner >> wrote: >> >> >I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to >> >listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD >> >player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear >> >sound >> >I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I > can't >> >put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through >> >my >> >old Aiwa midi system. Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the > dead >> >and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new >> >system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you >> >think makes Hawkwind come alive? >> > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 29 15:44:41 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner wrote: >I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to >listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD >player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound >I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't >put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my >old Aiwa midi system. I use a NAD amplifier (can't remember the model number) and Vandersteen 1B speakers. I'm not sure that I would recommend the speakers in your case, since they tend to reproduce sound very flatly and accurately (they're fantastic for reviewing studio mixes since their response is so much like studio monitors) and don't "color" the sound much (which is what it sounds like you're looking for). In general, the speakers are the component that will have the most effect in that area, so all I can really recommend is auditioning a whole bunch of speakers at your local hi-fi shop. >Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead >and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new >system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you >think makes Hawkwind come alive? Dual CS5000, which sounds great IMHO. But even a low-end Rega is probably going to be just as good or better. Subjectively, I find that no CD beats the sound of *well-pressed* (this is the key!) vinyl. The German pressing of 'Warrior' that I have sounds astounding. On the other hand, playing any 80s Flicknife pressing on a decent turntable & system is a waste; those records will never sound great, and get noisy after just a couple plays. (The original London pressings of the early ZZ Top albums [not the Warner Bros reissues!] are also great examples of well-pressed records, check out "Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers" [as later covered by Motorhead] from 'Tres Hombres'.) And while it's true that CD's theoretically have a greater dynamic range than vinyl, the sad fact is that most modern mastering/remastering jobs squash everything into just a few dB's of variation in pathetic attempts to win the "loudness" wars, with the result being distorted transients, ear fatigue, and zero dynamics. Great as the recent Litmus CD is, the drums sound like crap because of the mastering job! Completely trashy and distorted; unlistenable with headphones :^(. The most recent Rush album is another example (as I try to think of a particularly egregious large- selling recent instance) of horrid-sounding drums resulting from compression/mastering. Mastering is a skill that takes *excellent* (i.e. way better than mine) ears to do right, and right now, the market is flooded with so-called experts who don't have that trait (and compound the problem by using cheap plug-ins on cheap computer systems but still consider themselves "professionals"). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Dec 29 17:50:45 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:50:45 -0600 Subject: HW: back from the UK Message-ID: Well, we finally made it back Monday. Whew. One day, we will actually take an actual vacation, and not spend all of our time following the band around on tour ;-) We were lightweights this time...only caught 5 of the shows (well, slightly less for me) at Telford, Swindon, Cambridge, Exeter and London. ..and now, the too lengthy tour report: 1) Arrive in Manchester on the 7th, head off to Birmingham, where we are staying with Rich's sister for a bit. 2) Off to Telford via the first of many trains. Attempt to figure out how to get to venue from station, fail, grab cab. Look for people. Find Nick Lee and the Chaos Illuminations guys (hi Neil!). Hang about for a bit, chatting. Wander about, listen to the sound check. Say hello to roadies (Keith and Dibs!) Get very impressed by venue elevator for setup. Get confused by dancers practicing. Get informed by venue staff that someone came in from Australia for the gig....wonder who that was. Then, gig proper. Wow, it was a blinder. New stuff (greenback massacre, digital nation, to love a machine, angela android, letter to robert/ode to a timeflower) sounds good. Really like To Love a Machine, and Ode to a Timeflower. Most old stuff was fab (psychedelic warlords! uncle sam's on mars!), but could have done without assasins of allah and sword of the east. Really like the dancers, oddly. The eye costumes were very very trippy, and I quite liked the sheer *aggression* the male dancer was exuding for sword of the east. Plus, it's kind of nice to see dancers who can keep time and rhythm! Buy fleeces (mmmm, fleeces), tour shirts, and cds. Chanukah present! Nick gave us a lift back to birmingham that night. (yay!). Spend time convincing Nick to come to Exeter and stay over in London. Succeed! sort him out for hotel (well, kind of), then we are off to: 3) Swindon. Most evil roundabout in world here. 5 in form of a pentagram. coincidence? I think not. Find our awful b'n'b for the night. (well, it was close to the station and the venue...). Venue is just dreadful. The kind of place that makes you really admire the roadies so much more. Venue staff totally useless. Am totally amazed that they managed to pull it off. Gig proper: eh! become victim of delayed jetlag. Fall asleep halfway through, wake up, but very out of sorts. Back to b'n'b, then off far too early in morning back to birmingham. 4) side quest down to hereford (I think) to meet my father-in-law for the first time. 5) Then back to birmingham, followed by up to sheffield to go chill with merrick and julie for a day. Good stuff. 6) up to carlisle to visit with rich's mum, and misc friends. 7) down to cambridge from carlisle (via london) for the next phase. Train too long. See Keith H. outside venue, chat very briefly before heading inside to catch soundcheck. Interesting venue. I decided I quite liked it! (standing and seated, depending on your preference, which suits me fine.) No dancers on this one (boo hoo). Gig quite good, although technical problems with sound throughout. Quite a good vibe, though, in the audience. Catch up to FoFP, who I spied on the top floor, and only see Jon Jarrett when he is leaving gig :-(. Catch up to Rik. Catch ride and crash at Nick Lee's place in Milton Keynes. Get up at too frickin early in the morning to catch yet another train (sigh, what's sleep?) 8) Off to Exeter next (yet another long train journey). Find ye olde b'n'b, then head off for venue. Get caught out in great deluge as the skies open up. Verify at first hand that Hawkwind fleeces are damn near waterproof (yay!) Venue very small (still bigger than some of the venues I've seen them at here in the US), and is *packed*. See Keith K. and Tone, and catch up to Jill. Good gig, but just seemingly cannot get into it. Shame, because the vibe is good. Walk back in deluge. Fleeces still held up. good stuff. 9) Off to London in the morning and good thing, as hotel has messed up group booking. Sort off poor Nick who was waiting in lobby, and then Bernhard + the german crowd, and then the band. Get everything sorted, attempt to get party arrangements sorted. Manage it, but very stressed. (side note: nice hotel this time out. very posh.) Off to the Astoria. Security at the astoria total bitch as expected. Venue itself *stinks* (literally!, as in reeks! of cigarettes.) Gig totally packed. Catch misc folks (Chris Warburton, Alan Taylor, Alan Linsley, Dave Law, etc.) End up getting very very sick (running high fever), had to leave gig just after uncle sam's on mars. Shame, as by all reports, it was a complete blinder of a set. Just couldn't handle it. Back off to the hotel for final party arrangements. Party. Seemed to go off ok. Was very dazed and ill, so really wasn't at my best. Caught briefly up to the gang of folks staying in hotel, and saw misc people. Hopefully folks enjoyed it. 10) Spent most of the rest of my time in the UK being ill (next day in london, slept all day, then up to carlisle to be ill there ;-) ). General tour comments: Backdrop was just astounding. Light show was dead on (and Neil, I want an mpeg of that mouse falling over! It made me laugh for the entire tour.) Reefer Madness pics. Very fun! ...and Dave out front! Woo hoo! Not hiding by synths anymore! Radio pickups for his guitar and alan's bass. Richard singing (and singing well!) Being mesmerized by the various video game footage in digital nation. Other misc comments: I seem to have picked up a fear of crowds at some point, so kept trying to find places to hide in the venues. Really really a bummer. Hopefully is just a temporary thing ('cause if it isn't, I'm in for trouble!). Not enough time to catch up to people as usual. sigh. One year I swear I'm going to go across and just visit people. Next stop: Worldcon in Glasgow this summer at the beginning of August. Now if Hawkfest 2005 manages to get scheduled for one of the wraparound weekends (last weekend of July or Aug 12-15), then I'll be a happy camper.... Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Dec 30 05:46:18 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:46:18 +0100 Subject: off: what hi-fi equipment do you listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: I hope everyone had a great christmas and enjoyed the Hawkwind gigs. I hope I get to hear one as it sure sounded like it was fun! As for the stereo, this year, my 41st on this earth, I decided it was time to get a "real" high end stereo. I thought it would not make such a difference but I was actually quite amazed. I have always had decent equipment. We had a 100watt per channel Kenwood receiver, good KEF (UK brand) bookshelf speakers, B&O turntable (Danish high end brand), etc.. well, I splurged and we got 4 Klipsch identical bookshelf speakers, and a Klipsch subwoofer and a 7 channel (75watt, per channel) Harmonn Kardon receiver and high end DVD player. Listening to music is a whole new experience now. I could not beleive it when we set it up at home and I cranked up Palace Springs. Wow... and when we played my mint copy of Dark Side of the Moon, the sound was so amazing. I have been pulling out a lot of my vinyl records now, which never sounded that great on the old system but now, wow... The real high end systems will blow your mind.... I hope everyone can splurge one day and do it... scott who is mourning for all the loss life in Asia........... We will donate a little extra money to the Danish relief organization we give money to every month. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Dec 30 08:20:44 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:20:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: make your own dr. who theme Message-ID: http://www0.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/news/radiophonatron.shtml Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu Dec 30 12:49:22 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:49:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: I'm only saying one thing about turntables: LINN SONDEK LP12 That's all folks,but I don't mention the price. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: Re: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner > wrote: > >>I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to >>listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD >>player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound >>I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't >>put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my >>old Aiwa midi system. > > I use a NAD amplifier (can't remember the model number) and Vandersteen 1B > speakers. I'm not sure that I would recommend the speakers in your case, > since they tend to reproduce sound very flatly and accurately (they're > fantastic for reviewing studio mixes since their response is so much like > studio monitors) and don't "color" the sound much (which is what it sounds > like you're looking for). In general, the speakers are the component that > will have the most effect in that area, so all I can really recommend is > auditioning a whole bunch of speakers at your local hi-fi shop. > >>Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead >>and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new >>system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you >>think makes Hawkwind come alive? > > Dual CS5000, which sounds great IMHO. But even a low-end Rega is probably > going to be just as good or better. > > Subjectively, I find that no CD beats the sound of *well-pressed* (this is > the key!) vinyl. The German pressing of 'Warrior' that I have sounds > astounding. On the other hand, playing any 80s Flicknife pressing on a > decent turntable & system is a waste; those records will never sound > great, and get noisy after just a couple plays. (The original London > pressings of the early ZZ Top albums [not the Warner Bros reissues!] are > also great examples of well-pressed records, check out "Beer Drinkers and > Hell Raisers" [as later covered by Motorhead] from 'Tres Hombres'.) > > And while it's true that CD's theoretically have a greater dynamic range > than vinyl, the sad fact is that most modern mastering/remastering jobs > squash everything into just a few dB's of variation in pathetic attempts > to win the "loudness" wars, with the result being distorted transients, > ear fatigue, and zero dynamics. Great as the recent Litmus CD is, the > drums sound like crap because of the mastering job! Completely trashy and > distorted; unlistenable with headphones :^(. The most recent Rush album > is another example (as I try to think of a particularly egregious large- > selling recent instance) of horrid-sounding drums resulting from > compression/mastering. Mastering is a skill that takes *excellent* (i.e. > way better than mine) ears to do right, and right now, the market is > flooded with so-called experts who don't have that trait (and compound the > problem by using cheap plug-ins on cheap computer systems but still > consider themselves "professionals"). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 30 13:19:03 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:19:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: I just got back from my local hi-fi shop where I auditioned Rega P2 and P3 turntables in their listening room. I bought a Rega P3 with a decent cartridge in the end. As reference vinyl I took the Charisma LPs - Astounding Sounds, 25 Years On, Quark, PXR5 and Levitation on Bronze. These LPs seem to be among the best produced of all Hawkwind albums to me. The system they setup for me revealed a whole new level of detail. It's hard to explain but you notice things you don't normally notice. You could hear all the little variations and tones in Robert Calvert's voice on Deathtrap. The "Deathtrap...deathtrap" background chorus became much more apparent to. I might be mistaken but during Robot I swear I heard "engine" noises which simply don't exist on my system. I actually turned the volume right down thinking there was some interference or noise from outside. It sounded like a car pulling away. The bass guitar on Freefall sounded really good and the white noise effect through both speakers was so smooth and seemed to span the whole wall. Out of all the albums I listened to 25 Years On and PXR5 stood out the most. I'm never sure if it is my imagination but PXR5 has always sounded like a really well produced album to me. In the 80s I used to listen to a PXR5 cassette through an old Ferguson cassette player. By holding the cassette player in front of my face I discovered a stereo soundstage for the first time. The illusion of space that you can get when speakers are placed correctly still fascinates me and I sometimes think that alot of people aren't really aware of what proper stereo is. On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:41 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: >On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:06 -0500, Alastair Sumner > wrote: > >>I was wondering what kind of hi-fi equipment people on this list use to >>listen to Hawkwind. For the past ten years or so I've had a Nad 5220 CD >>player, Nad 3020i amplifier and Mission speakers. Despite the clear sound >>I've always felt frustrated at how neutral and lifeless it sounds. I can't >>put my finger on it but I used to enjoy music more playing LPs through my >>old Aiwa midi system. > >I use a NAD amplifier (can't remember the model number) and Vandersteen 1B >speakers. I'm not sure that I would recommend the speakers in your case, >since they tend to reproduce sound very flatly and accurately (they're >fantastic for reviewing studio mixes since their response is so much like >studio monitors) and don't "color" the sound much (which is what it sounds >like you're looking for). In general, the speakers are the component that >will have the most effect in that area, so all I can really recommend is >auditioning a whole bunch of speakers at your local hi-fi shop. > >>Now I've decided to bring my vinyl back from the dead >>and invest in a Rega P2 or P3 turntable and will probably build a new >>system around it. So what kind of equipment do you use? And what do you >>think makes Hawkwind come alive? > >Dual CS5000, which sounds great IMHO. But even a low-end Rega is probably >going to be just as good or better. > >Subjectively, I find that no CD beats the sound of *well-pressed* (this is >the key!) vinyl. The German pressing of 'Warrior' that I have sounds >astounding. On the other hand, playing any 80s Flicknife pressing on a >decent turntable & system is a waste; those records will never sound >great, and get noisy after just a couple plays. (The original London >pressings of the early ZZ Top albums [not the Warner Bros reissues!] are >also great examples of well-pressed records, check out "Beer Drinkers and >Hell Raisers" [as later covered by Motorhead] from 'Tres Hombres'.) > >And while it's true that CD's theoretically have a greater dynamic range >than vinyl, the sad fact is that most modern mastering/remastering jobs >squash everything into just a few dB's of variation in pathetic attempts >to win the "loudness" wars, with the result being distorted transients, >ear fatigue, and zero dynamics. Great as the recent Litmus CD is, the >drums sound like crap because of the mastering job! Completely trashy and >distorted; unlistenable with headphones :^(. The most recent Rush album >is another example (as I try to think of a particularly egregious large- >selling recent instance) of horrid-sounding drums resulting from >compression/mastering. Mastering is a skill that takes *excellent* (i.e. >way better than mine) ears to do right, and right now, the market is >flooded with so-called experts who don't have that trait (and compound the >problem by using cheap plug-ins on cheap computer systems but still >consider themselves "professionals"). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Dec 30 20:05:10 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:05:10 EST Subject: off: what hi-fi equipment do you listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, shll at HAGEDORN.DK writes: << On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:19:03 -0500, Alastair Sumner wrote: >I just got back from my local hi-fi shop where I auditioned Rega P2 and P3 >turntables in their listening room. I bought a Rega P3 with a decent >cartridge in the end. Good choice, I'd say. It's worth paying a bit more for a better cartridge with Rega decks. As reference vinyl I took the Charisma LPs - >Astounding Sounds, 25 Years On, Quark, PXR5 and Levitation on Bronze. These >LPs seem to be among the best produced of all Hawkwind albums to me. Agreed, the live material on PXR5 sounds fantastic, it has amazing clarity and detail without loss of raw power. The production on 25 Years On also stands up exceptionally well today. >By holding the >cassette player in front of my face I discovered a stereo soundstage for >the first time. The illusion of space that you can get when speakers are >placed correctly still fascinates me and I sometimes think that alot of >people aren't really aware of what proper stereo is. One of the things that always intrigues me is why some music sounds great on headphones but some doesn't, often because it seems to need that space you refer to, to "breathe" somehow... Talking of headphones, I recently bought a pair of Bang + Olufsen A8 phones, these are superb, I'd recommend them to anyone looking for a lightweight pair of phones for an MP3 player or walkman. And while I'm here: >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:41 -0500, Doug Pearson >wrote: >> >>Subjectively, I find that no CD beats the sound of *well-pressed* (this is >>the key!) vinyl. The German pressing of 'Warrior' that I have sounds >>astounding. On the other hand, playing any 80s Flicknife pressing on a >>decent turntable & system is a waste; those records will never sound >>great, and get noisy after just a couple plays. (The original London >>pressings of the early ZZ Top albums [not the Warner Bros reissues!] are >>also great examples of well-pressed records, check out "Beer Drinkers and >>Hell Raisers" [as later covered by Motorhead] from 'Tres Hombres'.) >> >>And while it's true that CD's theoretically have a greater dynamic range >>than vinyl, the sad fact is that most modern mastering/remastering jobs >>squash everything into just a few dB's of variation in pathetic attempts >>to win the "loudness" wars, with the result being distorted transients, >>ear fatigue, and zero dynamics. Agree with all of this- and sad to say I think some recent Hawkwind releases suffer from over-compression- the White Zone album has a particularly weak and lifeless drum sound throughout, and Alien 4 has the same problem to a lesser extent. In terms of sound (not necessarily material) I much prefer the rawer sound of Distant Horizons, and have sometimes wondered if that album's early release, supposedly before final mix and production, might have been a blessing in disguise. Nick From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Dec 30 21:29:54 2004 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:29:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > > Talking of headphones, I recently bought a pair of Bang + Olufsen A8 > phones, these are superb, I'd recommend them to anyone looking for a > lightweight pair of phones for an MP3 player or walkman. How do they compare with the Etymotic ER-6i? J From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 31 06:53:43 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:53:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:29:54 -0500, Jerry Guizar wrote: >Nick Medford wrote: >> >> Talking of headphones, I recently bought a pair of Bang + Olufsen A8 >> phones, these are superb, I'd recommend them to anyone looking for a >> lightweight pair of phones for an MP3 player or walkman. > > How do they compare with the Etymotic ER-6i? > I don't know to be honest, I didn't try the Etymotic earbuds- I don't really like in-ear phones as a rule. The Bang + Olufsens sit on the ear and are far more comfortable than any in-ear models I've tried. But the Etymotics have got rave reviews. Nick From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 31 11:45:51 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:45:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: >One of the things that always intrigues me is why some music sounds great >on headphones but some doesn't, often because it seems to need that space >you refer to, to "breathe" somehow... Here's a short article about Stereo that I found yesterday. They make a distinction between multi-track recordings mixed down to two channels and true stereo recordings. I wish I knew more about this from a technical point of view because I've no idea what techniques are actually used in the modern music recording industry. One area where I frequently hear the stereo effect is through my bog- standard Nicam Sharp tv. When you are sat a certain distance and angle in front of the two little loudspeakers the speakers themselves seem to disappear and you can hear voices and other sounds way over to the left or to the right. You can hear the whole space, not merely left channel, right channel and middle. Interestingly the effect seems to be much more common and pronounced on Channel 5 than it is on BBC 1 or 2. I've always wondered how this works through headphones because it seems like the angle of the listener in relation to the two loudspeakers is crucial. From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 31 11:48:07 2004 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:48:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: >One of the things that always intrigues me is why some music sounds great >on headphones but some doesn't, often because it seems to need that space >you refer to, to "breathe" somehow... Here's a short article about Stereo that I found yesterday. They make a distinction between multi-track recordings mixed down to two channels and true stereo recordings. I wish I knew more about this from a technical point of view because I've no idea what techniques are actually used in the modern music recording industry. http://www.tnt-audio.com/topics/realstereo_e.html One area where I frequently hear the stereo effect is through my bog- standard Nicam Sharp tv. When you are sat a certain distance and angle in front of the two little loudspeakers the speakers themselves seem to disappear and you can hear voices and other sounds way over to the left or to the right. You can hear the whole space, not merely left channel, right channel and middle. Interestingly the effect seems to be much more common and pronounced on Channel 5 than it is on BBC 1 or 2. I've always wondered how this works through headphones because it seems like the angle of the listener in relation to the two loudspeakers is crucial. From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Dec 31 12:45:57 2004 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:45:57 +0000 Subject: HW: More Photos In-Reply-To: <68.4bf58341.2f030a5a@aol.com> Message-ID: I've added more photos to my website:- http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm This time they are of the Aberdeen Forum gig in April 2004. Included are some nice shots of the lightshow and projections. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 31 14:00:10 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:00:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:48:07 -0500, Alastair Sumner wrote: >>One of the things that always intrigues me is why some music sounds great >>on headphones but some doesn't, often because it seems to need that space >>you refer to, to "breathe" somehow... > >Here's a short article about Stereo that I found yesterday. They make a >distinction between multi-track recordings mixed down to two channels and >true stereo recordings. I wish I knew more about this from a technical >point of view because I've no idea what techniques are actually used in the >modern music recording industry. Recording in "true stereo" is one of those things that's an interesting concept, in theory, but is questionable to implement as an actual process. Basically, what it means is that *every* part of a piece of music is *recorded* in stereo (i.e. with two microphones in such a way that the two recorded signals make up an audibly-pleasing stereo image). In the normal recording process, this isn't possible because most instruments are recorded using close-micing techniques. For instance, the normal way to record a guitar that will be mostly in the left channel in the final mix is to stick a microphone in front of a guitar amp, record the guitar part to tape, and at final mixdown, pan the guitar track towards the left channel. The "true stereo" way to record this would be to place two microphones in a room, one close to the guitar amp (the left channel mic), and one on the other side of the room (the right channel mic); at final mixdown, the tracks wouldn't have to be panned, because the guitar signal is already in the left channel more than the right one. In order for this to be effective, the microphones have to be far away enough from the guitar amp to pick up the "sound" of the room (the reverberations of the guitar sound in the room), wheras with close-micing technique, the microphone *only* picks up what's coming out of the amplifier, and any reverberations are at too low a level to be perceptible. Sticking with the guitar example for the moment, modern recording techniques absolutely *rely* on being able to close-mic a guitar; moving the microphone in front of a guitar amp a couple inches, or tilting it a few degrees can *drastically* change the recorded sound (sadly, it appears that microphone placement is becoming a lost art as more and more "Pod[tm]" people run their guitars straight into some digital box into a computer; I'll say right now, that for rock guitar, absolutely NOTHING beats the sound of a Les Paul through a Marshall tube amp recorded with an SM57 [inexpensive industry-standard dynamic microphone] onto analog tape, preferably through a preamp with good transformers, like a Neve or API; no digital approximation comes close to THAT). So "true stereo" recording of an electric guitar track isn't really a practical option (although adding room/distant microphone signals to an existing close-miced guitar track can - depending on the circumstance - greatly enhance a guitar sound, overcoming the main problem with close-miced signals: the lack of ambience/environment/"room" sound/reverb, which is otherwise done with some sort of artificial reverb). There are a few applications where recording "true stereo" tracks makes a lot of sense: anything through a rotary speaker (Leslie), small-to-large ensembles like string quartets or horn sections, or massed backing vocals (useful because it allows the placement of individual singers across the stereo spectrum). The latter is probably why the only "true stereo"-recorded album that I'm aware of is the Beach Boys' 'Sunflower'. To quote: "The songs on this record were recorded in true stereophonic sound; they are not 16 monophonic signals placed somewhere between right and left speakers blended together with echo, but rather total stereo capturing the ambience of the room and the sound in perspective as heard naturally by the ear. Although more difficult to perfect, this type of recording is far more satisfying to hear, as will be demonstrated by playing this album." >http://www.tnt-audio.com/topics/realstereo_e.html > >One area where I frequently hear the stereo effect is through my bog- >standard Nicam Sharp tv. When you are sat a certain distance and angle in >front of the two little loudspeakers the speakers themselves seem to >disappear and you can hear voices and other sounds way over to the left or >to the right. You can hear the whole space, not merely left channel, right >channel and middle. Interestingly the effect seems to be much more common >and pronounced on Channel 5 than it is on BBC 1 or 2. I've always wondered >how this works through headphones because it seems like the angle of the >listener in relation to the two loudspeakers is crucial. Stereo perception through headphones vs. stereo perception from speakers are two very different animals. What works for one won't necessarily work for the other. For instance, the simple way to make "fake binaural" recordings is to delay one channel of a stereo signal by a few milliseconds (true "binaural" recordings [a fad in the late 70s, see Lou Reed's Arista LP's for example] are those recorded with stereo microphones placed to simulate the placement of one's ears - some studios have microphones for this purpose that actually look like a head with mics where the ears should be). Heard through headphones, this creates a perception of "space" because it sounds like the delayed signal is coming from farther away than the un-delayed one. However, when the two signals are blended together in the air, coming from speakers, they'll interfere with each other, causing frequency cancellations that make the music sound like certain pitches are lost, or that there's some sort of weird "flanging" going on; this can also interfere with clarity and make the sound "mushy". Proper stereo reproduction with speakers is much trickier than with headphones, since speaker angle, height, and listener location relative to the speakers can have a large effect on the listener's perception. Blah blah blah ... ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 31 14:41:55 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: What hi-fi equipment do you use to listen to Hawkwind? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2004, at 2:00 PM, Doug Pearson wrote: > I'll say right now, > that for rock guitar, absolutely NOTHING beats the sound of a Les Paul > through a Marshall tube amp recorded with an SM57 [inexpensive > industry-standard dynamic microphone] onto analog tape, preferably > through a > preamp with good transformers, like a Neve or API; no digital > approximation > comes close to THAT). That is a good sound for sure but Hendrix used mainly Fender amps in the studio. I've found the blending two sounds, say a miced Marshall cab combined with the Vox Tonelab or a POD has a very pleasant and mixable sound. In BOC we almost always used a combination of mics, cabs and amps to get the sounds especially in later years where we had all the gear we could ever want. A Mesa Boogie combined with a Hiwatt through a couple marshall cabs was especially useful. That being said I think one reason why certain great guitar-playing former bandmates have a less than great tone these days is the reliance on the POD. It's great. It's easy and quick but it has a fake quality. The Brain Surgeons new record was recorded over two days the weekend before last and we used a combination of POD, Tonelab and JCM 800's for every song (except the acoustic one). We used Senheiser 609s on the Marshalls and that had a little more full sound than the SM57. We used the studio's mixing desk for preamps (SSL) and that is comparable to Neve, Trident etc. We also recorded every instrument in true stereo with two mics (one near and one far) but I'm not sure how useful those far mics are. They make things sound a little muddy to me. We didn't worry about leakage because we were well rehearsed and didn't make any mistakes. ;-) So you can hear the sound of the room without using those extra true stereo mics. I'd been thinking I wanted to do that since I got a new dual G5 and now track count is a non-issue for me. I guess if it works on a part I'll use it and if not I won't. At least I have the option. Al From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 31 19:59:36 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:29:36 +1030 Subject: More Photos Message-ID: Thank you. http://www.alien-dream.com http://www.soundclick.com/pro/?BandID=136265 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: HW: More Photos > I've added more photos to my website:- > > http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm > > This time they are of the Aberdeen Forum gig in April 2004. Included are > some nice shots of the lightshow and projections. > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 >