From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Aug 31 10:32:48 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:02:48 +0930 Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright Message-ID: doesn't work - error downloading codec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Hawkwind on Matthew Wright > good news to all who missed yesterdays show, someone i know has kindly > encoded it so you can view it on your PC! so click on either - > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/links1.htm > or > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/history_and_updates.htm > and scroll down to the bottom of either page and there's a link from there. > > hope you enjoy it, all 1minute 22 seconds of it! > > regards > > dave > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 1 07:43:05 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:43:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations JULY 2004 Issue Online Now!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com THE JULY 2004 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS ONLINE NOW The July 2004 issue (#28) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below. This issue brings together all the reviews and articles that appeared on the What's New page in the past quarter, but those who watch closely should note that there is LOTS of new stuff too. New in the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER catalog: Architectural Metaphor - "Other Music": The latest from long running space rockers Architectural Metaphor is an all instrumental live set from 2001 featuring Greg Kozlowski on guitars, Paul Eggleston on keyboads and Dinosaur Jr. drummer Pat Murphy on the skins. The classic Arc Met space symphonic keyboards and intense, ripping Dave Gilmour-esqe guitars are all here. We've got 4 news songs, a killer rendition of "Kairos" (from their Creature Of The Velvet Void CD), and covers of Hawkwind's "Hassan I Sabbah" and "Welcome To The Future", and Pink Floyd's "On The Run". For more information you can visit our mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html The July 2004 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Hallucinating book review & interview with author Stephen Palmer Ten Years of Stone Premonitions: Happy Birthday celebration, interview with Tim Jones, and Stone Premonitions Family Tree Roskilde Festival 2004 coverage and photo gallery Sweden Rocks Festival 2004 coverage and photo gallery Copenhagen FuzzFest coverage Gas Giant tour March 2004 coverage Concert reviews Recent releases from Blue Circle Recent releases from Slutfish Records Recent releases from Nasoni Records Recent releases from Camera Obscura Recent releases from Strange Attractors Audio House Releases from Harsh Reality Recent releases from Electroshock Records Recent releases from Rise Above Records Recent releases from Haltapes Releases from Zenapolae Recent releases from Pax Recordings And loads of reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue28/issue28.html All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Aug 1 15:55:25 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:55:25 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <4108BDDD.2020908@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 10:05:33AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > David Kuznick wrote: > > I'm back. :-) > > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) > > Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... > well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! Me three! Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Aug 2 03:56:19 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:56:19 +0200 Subject: Hi again Message-ID: SSwann said... On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> David Kuznick wrote: >> > I'm back. :-) >> > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) >> >> Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... >> well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! >Me three! > >Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? Maybe so...seems that way. Must be your fault. :) Grakkl (FAA), who can't remember how that all started...but hopes he hasn't implicated the wrong person by way of poor memory. ObCD: Steve Hillage - Fish Rising ("Salmon Song" seems appropriate about now) From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Mon Aug 2 11:16:58 2004 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:16:58 CDT Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:00:04 CDT." <200408020900.i727udIG012196@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: >On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> David Kuznick wrote: >> > I'm back. :-) >> > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) >> Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... >> well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! > >Me three! Well it's about damn time you got back here. My shift ended over a year ago, and my back is killing me. Here, I think this torch is yours. >Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? Naw, that can't be right. That would mean that some of us would be approaching...oh, crap. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 2 11:34:56 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:34:56 +0100 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <200408021516.i72FGwu12541@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: Matthew Braun wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: >>Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? > > Naw, that can't be right. That would mean that some of us would be > approaching...oh, crap. Just think -- it's now been just over 10 years since _Cult Classic_ was released, which is the same amount of time (more or less) as between the first BOC album and _Extraterrestrial Live_ .... Well now, that's a grim though ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From chrisow at SHAW.CA Mon Aug 2 15:14:01 2004 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:14:01 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Mind Journey Message-ID: Thanks for the partial lyrics to the Mind Journay poem. I hope I will one day find out the missing bits! I dont know if anyone is interested, but I find this list extremely awkward to use and I wondered if you guys would be interested in using this discussion/Q&A site I created a few months ago, but had'nt been able to tell anyone about? http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Jademan Best J From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 2 18:21:58 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:21:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mean Fiddler/OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > Moved downstairs - musta bin a big fall off in ticket sales this time! > Maybe Jon & I weren't the only ones put off by last years poor show. > > Paging Rich Lockwood... Did you go? Yeah, it strikes me that I've seen no review of that gig beyond a setlist, or indeed any reviews from that tourlet at all. I've been having trouble tinkering with list settings lately which means I have missed some mail, but there didn't seem to be anything at the time. Were they any better this time out people? The Fiction and Nektar gig didn't seem like a worse option. Fiction were playing with a stand-in drummer because their usual one had broken some limb or other. This left them in the awkward position of playing with someone much better than their usual drummer who was presumably then going to do something else rather than hang around Alan-Powell-like. It was a good and tight performance, though, no insult meant to the rhythm section because there's nothing wrong there especially with a better-than-usual drummer, it was all about the guitar, and that's what anyone going to see Tony Hill's solo outfit presumably expects, I know it's what I do. Most of the set was done on his usual axe, I'm afraid I can't tell you what it is but he gets a crushingly heavy yet sweet sound out of it, like treacle fired through a high-pressure hose. No, okay, not very much like that I imagine, but I can't describe it better. What, apart from my vocabulary failure, strikes me about Fiction is that lately more and more and more of the material has been upbeat. Now, don't get me wrong, bouncy songs full of loud guitar as done by a seventies psych wizard rather than a bunch of East Londoners who're sorry they're too young to be in Madness, this is a good thing, but Tony Hill's particular brand of hopeless gloom is uniquely powerful and cathartic and sort of one of the things I go to see him for. If it's a toss-up between him being happier and his band being less of an experience I suppose I'd have to choose the former but I have to admit I won't enjoy it as much. Last song was done on a spare guitar, anyway, tuned differently, or rather not tuned, as Tony spent a minute or two trying to get it in tune and then gave up, saying, "If it's still out of tune, sod it", but unfortunately it was and it did make the last song drag rather, because you could hear it wasn't where it was supposed to be. But incendiary playing and cosmic Geordie doom we got, and I was pretty happy with it. I had no idea what to expect from Nektar, as I'd only discovered minutes before I got in that they weren't German and that I couldn't remember which of their albums Calvert guested on, so had to choose which to buy on the basis of which cover I liked best. I got _A Tab in the Ocean_, even before they played, and that seems to have been a good bargain, because they opened with what I now know is its title track and did almost all of the album in the course of the (long) set. Keyboards, played apparently by a Welsh hobbit, were as with modern Man slightly too new and digital to be entirely authentic but they were also very low in the mix, so that when things got going the general effect was of a fearsomely loud prog rock three-piece. But prog in a way that escapes at least one usual definition, because there were almost no solos. They just played and played, as a three-piece (and occasionally some keyboards made it through) going through ceaselessly changing complex rock, no one pattern or riff really played out because they moved on too fast. I was dazzled before the end of the first track, and I remember also being very impressed by `Remember the Future' and what I know now as `Desolation Valley'. As I said to Chris Warburton at the time, "I haven't had to mosh in 9:8 since Porcupine Tree were interesting!", which is a little unfair perhaps as I haven't seen the current PT lineup and they might for all I know be positively fascinating, and in any case the section I meant transpires to actually be in 4:4 with a very clever guitar line, but I quote myself anyway just to give you the impression I was getting second-hand. They didn't mess about, they just came out and delivered a long and blistering set of meaty prog workouts and I was sorry I didn't have enough money for more albums (or, in the end, even though they started playing at nine-forty, enough time to stay for the encore). So I say, go see them if you get the chance as they will pin back your ears and wash your forebrain over with the Real Stuff. Now, someone tell me what I missed, OK? Yours, Jonathan ObCD: V/A - _Doomed_ CD3 -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Aug 2 18:56:48 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:56:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Litmus CD now available at Aural Innovations Message-ID: Sorry folks for the purely commerical post to the list. I usually try to only send this stuff as part of my usual zine and radio show announcements. But so many people have been emailing me asking when this would be available that I had to get the word out. The new Litmus CD, You Are Here, arrived today. You can drop me a note at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com or visit the freshly updated catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html. I also just got in stock the new CD by Bahrain, which is a side project of ST 37 bassist/vocalist Scott Telles. Heavy rockin stuff! Jerry From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Aug 3 04:26:20 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:26:20 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ficton & Nektar Message-ID: JonJ relates... >I had no idea what to expect from Nektar, as I'd only discovered >minutes before I got in that they weren't German Yeah, they're all UK natives, but the band was formed and based in Germany (originating in Hamburg at that famous Star Club I think, just like the Beatles) :) from their formation in c. 1970 until sometime around 1976 when they migrated to New Jersey, where all but Roye Albrighton (who is still in the UK) continue to live. So lots of people consider them part of the 'krautrock movement' even though none of them are German. >and that I couldn't remember which of their albums Calvert guested on, "Down to Earth," the circus-based concept album, where Calvert is 'ringmaster.' The album is spotty, but Calvert's bits are fun and I like "Nelly the Elephant." Which perhaps they played live for you? >I got _A Tab in the Ocean_, even before they played, and that >seems to have been a good bargain, Yeah, that one is consistently good throughout and "Desolation Valley" is one of my favourite Nektar tracks. The very first album, "Journey to the Centre of the Eye," which is now available in that 5.1 sound format on CD (plays normally on a regular stereo system, so it's a "hybrid" disc), is the true Space-rock album from Nektar. A classic. I wish they would play some songs from that one (esp. Dream Nebula). >Keyboards, played apparently by a Welsh hobbit, :) He has the strangest accent of any person I've ever heard. I can only understand about every fifth word! I thought he was from Liverpool, hearing some similarities to other Liverpudlians I've heard (Lister from Red Dwarf is one, yeah?), but perhaps north(?)* Wales is just a more extreme version of this bizarre accent. ? *He doesn't sound like Terry Jones, who I use as a Welsh example, but then I don't know what part of Wales Jones hails from. Anyway, his name is Allan Freeman, but he goes by "Taff." (Isn't there another Allan Freeman who is a DJ in the UK somewhere? At one point, I thought maybe it was him, but since Freeman lives in NJ, it couldn't be.) >were as with modern Man slightly too new and digital to be entirely >authentic I thought he did pretty well with the digital stuff. Granted, it was better at Burg Herzberg '03, when he had his 'real' keyboards, but then he was also low in the mix, so mainly he was prominent just in the quieter parts. >which is a little unfair perhaps as I haven't seen the current PT lineup >and they might for all I know be positively fascinating, I like the current PT just as much as the old PT, but in a different way, as they are now seriously metallized (poor Barbieri has almost nothing to do now) and hardly any psychedelia remains in the mix. But Wilson is still a good songwriter, and as long as he keeps the sappy choral vocals to a minimum, and doesn't do any more of that string orchestration (as on Lightbulb Sun), he's still got my interest. And now Adrian Belew will be contributing to the new PT album, so we'll see where that goes. >I was sorry I didn't have...enough time to stay for the encore). So I say, >go see them if you get the chance as they will pin back your ears and wash >your forebrain over with the Real Stuff. > >Now, someone tell me what I missed, OK? Yours, You mean the encore? "Fidgety Queen" perhaps. An ok song...from that "Down to Earth" album. And of course, those in the US should *definitely* make it to any and all of these shows in reasonable driving distance!! Especially since you will see Caravan on the same night! I think the Nektar team have spent a lot of time, money, and effort on setting up this tour, and I sincerely hope it doesn't turn out to be a financial disaster. I don't know if very many (regular) people actually remember either of these bands, so it might be difficult to draw any but the hard-core fans. So take some friends if you can. Nektar/Caravan - No. American tour 2004 Sept 7 - Club Tundra, Syracuse, NY Sept 8 - The Egg, Albany, NY Sept 10 - The Regent Theatre, Arlington, MA Sept 11 - BB Kings, New York, NY** Sept 12 - The Birchmere, Alexandria, VA Sept 15 - The Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA Sept 17 - Headliners, Louisville, KY Sept 18 - Pops, St. Louis, MO Sept 19 - Martyrs, Chicago, IL Sept 21 - Toronto Opera House, Canada Sept 22 - Odeon Concert Club, Cleveland, OH Sept 23 - Rex Theatre, Pittsburgh, PA Sept 24 - The Keswick Theatre, Glenside, PA **odd coincidence, eh? Grakkl (FAA) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 3 04:57:12 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:57:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mean Fiddler/OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > As I said to Chris Warburton at the time, "I haven't > had to mosh in 9:8 since Porcupine Tree were interesting!", which is a > little unfair perhaps as I haven't seen the current PT lineup and they > might for all I know be positively fascinating, and in any case the > section I meant transpires to actually be in 4:4 with a very clever guitar > line, but I quote myself anyway just to give you the impression I was > getting second-hand. If I remember aright, there's a bit of the Spiritual Beggars' "Monster Astronauts" that _is_ in 9/8 (guitar line more cool than clever), but I digress .... Very moshable, though :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Aug 3 10:42:38 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:42:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mean Fiddler/OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Jon Jarrett : > > I had no idea what to expect from Nektar, as I'd only discovered > minutes before I got in that they weren't German and that I couldn't > remember which of their albums Calvert guested on, That was fortunate, as _Down to Earth_ is one of their worst albums IMO. The best studio ones are Tab in the Ocean, Remember the Future, Recycled, and Journey to the Centre of the Eye (this is the most space-rock-y IMO). -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 3 10:50:21 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:50:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:26, Henderson Keith wrote: > >Keyboards, played apparently by a Welsh hobbit, > > :) > > He has the strangest accent of any person I've ever heard. I can only > understand about every fifth word! I thought he was from Liverpool, > hearing some similarities to other Liverpudlians I've heard (Lister > from Red Dwarf is one, yeah?), but perhaps north(?)* Wales is just a > more extreme version of this bizarre accent. ? > > *He doesn't sound like Terry Jones, who I use as a Welsh example, but > then I don't know what part of Wales Jones hails from. According to the Internet Movie Database, Terry Jones was born in Colwyn Bay, North Wales. That is just a little east of the popular seaside destination of Llandudno (just one stop over on the North Wales Coast main line). I lived for several years in Bangor, Gwynedd, Wales, which is further west along the coast in North-West Wales. I remember when living there the locals used to refer to South Wales as "English Wales." Perhaps that had something to do with North-West Wales having the highest concentration of native Welsh speakers. If memory serves, it was something like 60% in the county of Gwynedd. So, unless Terry's accent was particularly diluted or mangled through schooling and later life, he perhaps is a good Welsh example---unless you're looking for a South Wales example. ;-) (Note that Liverpool is near North-East Wales.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Aug 3 11:11:42 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Henderson Keith : > JonJ relates... > > >I had no idea what to expect from Nektar, as I'd only discovered > >minutes before I got in that they weren't German > > Yeah, they're all UK natives, but the band was formed and based in > Germany (originating in Hamburg at that famous Star Club I think, > just like the Beatles) :) from their formation in c. 1970 until > sometime around 1976 when they migrated to New Jersey, where all > but Roye Albrighton (who is still in the UK) continue to live. Here is a wacky coincience. My mother had hip replacement surgery in NYC 3 weeks ago. My wife and baby were down with me and we went out to a store near the hospital to pick up some baby food. I am wearing my NEARFest 2002 t-shirt (which featured the Nektar reunion) and a guy on line at the supermarket asks me how the show was. I said it was great. He said he used to be Nektar's manager. :-) > >which is a little unfair perhaps as I haven't seen the current PT lineup > >and they might for all I know be positively fascinating, > > I like the current PT just as much as the old PT, but in a different way, > as they are now seriously metallized (poor Barbieri has almost nothing > to do now) and hardly any psychedelia remains in the mix. I was disappointed with In Absentia. When PT toured *BEFORE* it came out and they were "previewing" the new material, is sounded AWESOME. But for some reason, it didn't grab me on the album. But supposedly the new album is going to be in a different style. > But Wilson > is still a good songwriter, and as long as he keeps the sappy choral > vocals to a minimum, and doesn't do any more of that string orchestration > (as on Lightbulb Sun), he's still got my interest. I actually liked that stuff too. He can't do too much wrong for my tastes. And my wife LOVES PT (especially Radioactive Toy), so that's a bonus. :-) > And now Adrian Belew > will be contributing to the new PT album, so we'll see where that goes. Yes, that should be pretty interesting. > And of course, those in the US should *definitely* make it to any > and all of these shows in reasonable driving distance!! Especially > since you will see Caravan on the same night! Yes, Caravan is great (but not vaguely related to space-rawk :-) > Nektar/Caravan - No. American tour 2004 > Sept 10 - The Regent Theatre, Arlington, MA Got tickets for my wife and I a while ago for this. It's 2 blocks from my house. :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Tue Aug 3 15:05:40 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (Paul Eaton-Jones) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:05:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: <1091544620.19584.29.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: I too come from North Wales specifically Flintshire in N.E. Wales and whenever my voice is played back on tape people think I come from Liverpool!! ( much to my chagrin as my "normal" voice is quite comprehensible, clear and accentless). The reason is, I think, that at one time many Scousers moved to N. Wales to work in the steel works and aircraft factory that were just over the border from Chester. Paul. On Tuesday, Aug 3, 2004, at 15:50 Europe/London, Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:26, Henderson Keith wrote: > >>> Keyboards, played apparently by a Welsh hobbit, >> >> :) >> >> He has the strangest accent of any person I've ever heard. I can only >> understand about every fifth word! I thought he was from Liverpool, >> hearing some similarities to other Liverpudlians I've heard (Lister >> from Red Dwarf is one, yeah?), but perhaps north(?)* Wales is just a >> more extreme version of this bizarre accent. ? >> >> *He doesn't sound like Terry Jones, who I use as a Welsh example, but >> then I don't know what part of Wales Jones hails from. > > According to the Internet Movie Database, Terry Jones was born in > Colwyn > Bay, North Wales. That is just a little east of the popular seaside > destination of Llandudno (just one stop over on the North Wales Coast > main line). > > I lived for several years in Bangor, Gwynedd, Wales, which is further > west along the coast in North-West Wales. I remember when living there > the locals used to refer to South Wales as "English Wales." Perhaps > that had something to do with North-West Wales having the highest > concentration of native Welsh speakers. If memory serves, it was > something like 60% in the county of Gwynedd. > > So, unless Terry's accent was particularly diluted or mangled through > schooling and later life, he perhaps is a good Welsh example---unless > you're looking for a South Wales example. ;-) > > (Note that Liverpool is near North-East Wales.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > This email and all attachments have been scanned by Kingston > Communications' > email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 3 16:21:50 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:21:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:14:01PM -0400, Jade man wrote: > I dont know if anyone is interested, but I find this list extremely > awkward to use [...] Email lists in general, or just this one? If it's this list in particular, what do you find awkward about it? (Not that I could do anything about it, since I'm not the moderator.) > [...] and I wondered if you guys would be interested in using > this discussion/Q&A site I created a few months ago, but had'nt been able > to tell anyone about? > > http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Jademan Umm, my opinion is exactly the opposite of yours, I'm afraid. I much MUCH *MUCH* prefer email lists over web forums! With the latter, I have to periodically scan all the forums I'm interested in, one after another, to check for new messages. That's a royal pain -- I want the messages to come to me! Funny, ISTR having just this discussion (except maybe it was BBS's vs. Usenet; same difference [sic]) over coffee at a Quality Inn in London, when we were all there for HawXMas in 2000. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 3 17:19:04 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:19:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus - The Cartoon, Croydon - June 22nd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > Litmus are headlining at the Cartoon in Croydon tomorrow night > (Tuesday 22nd June). Come along for a slab of space rock to make > your ears rattle (the Cartoon has a 10K rig!!!!). That was also a very fine gig. The Cartoon's rig appears to be expensive in the sense of `high quality' rather than `louder than death (tm)' but it took me a while to discover this. The whole thing was very nearly a personal gig-going disaster in fact. I got to Croydon, found the right street having correctly found it was quicker to walk there than get a bus to West Croydon, and then tried to find the venue. By the time I'd walked far enough up the road (it's a long road) to be verging on the `leafy suburbia' kind of effect I thought I might have missed it. So back I went and eventually found myself back at West Croydon station none the wiser. At this point I did what I ought to have done forty minutes earlier and asked someone. They told me it was next-door to a club I'd definitely noticed, so back I went again and looked harder. One door up, finally, I found that there were a pair of doors under the inspiring and switched-off neon legend "The ". There were also some gig posters in the windows which told me I'd finally found it, but I'd been on the wrong side of the road and couldn't read them from there. I discovered once I got in that the sign had been taken down for repair that weekend and no-one had yet thought to put it back up. Hardly the bands' fault but I bloody nearly didn't make it for that little oversight. So I was there about nine thirty after all this, and some fairly dreary indie pop band were only just setting up. I thought they were taking down, but when they played a bog-standard jangly set and were then succeeded on the stage at just before ten by another conspicuously normal band I began to worry if I'd managed to get the right place but the wrong night. There was a fairly familiar set of synths in a corner but no sign of anyone I reocgnised from Litmus and mine was the longest male hair in the place by some way. Asking at the bar revealed that yes, Litmus were on tonight, probably at half-ten and they were currently in the noodle bar across the road. At this point things started to come together, but if I'd been heading back to Cambridge, I'd have caught about two bars of Litmus's set before having to head home in order to arrive even at three a. m. Gods bless the British railways. Happily I was going to Brighton instead so everything was fine. The second support were some slightly more interesting indie outfit whose sound was in a kind of more tuneful Radiohead or Muse area, but they only had a couple of songs where this showed up to advantage, and though I did feel they'd deserved a clap I didn't really put my heart into it. Eventually, Litmus. Setting up seemed to take very little time but getting going did, that's OK, it's part of the show. Only two synthmen tonight (unless the third was exceptionally well-hidden) but lots of good noises, and glissando and random sonar-pinging guitar noise swirled the relatively unsuspecting audience into a dark nebulous space where eventually the rumbling of Martin's bass threatened, and then promised definition, which emerged quite suddenly in the form of, I think, the album opener as it has now been revealed, `Infinity Drive', and I think they followed that with `Sonic Light' so as to leave no space for breathing at all. Maximum force and energy; by the end of the second song they'd acquired two girls dancing with each other to their male companions' bemusement and all was really quite together, fierce and impressive. My recollections dim after this point. I didn't take a tracklist down because at this point I knew the names of only two Litmus tracks and one of those (`Invader') they didn't play. But I think they let the pressure off slightly after the first two, possibly it was `Dreams of Space', and was there another one in there before `(Theta Wave) Inductor'? That one, even nameless as it then was to me, I had been waiting for, it's fantastic and was no disappointment. I later managed to more or less convey the riff to Sherman and she said, "isn't that that Gong song, `Master Builder'?" which took a little of my enthusiasm away but not very much, and at the actual gig I was well away on it, sweat running off me before they were halfway done. Fabulous high-speed mantric harmonised shouty number, exactly what this band do best. More converts on the floor before the end, and not a crowd that seemed at all likely to provide them either (and a fair few left, I choose to believe simply because of the hour rather than that they couldn't handle the weird obviously). It was perhaps not the best move, in retrospect, to follow this with a number that will apparently be on the second album, already under some kind of work. Not because of a need to stick to standards, because who apart from me knew any of the songs, but because, well, it was slow, sounded worryingly EMO or lumbering prog, and was sung by the drummer, whose voice carries more strain via fewer notes than Martin or Simon's. It went on for too long, wasn't really finished (I hope) and rather bled the intensity out of the audience. The sweat I'd soaked my shirt with became uncomfortably cold. Now that I have the album, I've heard `Stone Oscillator' and realise that like that this song, in the right place and with the right finishing touches, may well be a monster, but tonight I think Dr Frankenstein would have taken the bits back to the mortuary and waited for more and bigger lightning strikes. They finished up with `Twinstar', mind, which is a good way to recover, and the new fans were buzzing with it again before they'd done. Martin and Colin Allen were both good enough to have a long chat with me, and the new fans, who turned out to be friends of the drummer but dazzled anyway, were impressed by my dedication, not realising that a Croydon gig was more or less en route for me. As Martin said, it was a good example of what hppens when you lock a band in a room for most of a year and then let them out, but I hope the creative process keeps up and running at this kind of speed.[1] I haven't been able to make it to the two subsequent gigs to see but I shall give the next Croydon one a shot because it's always been worth seeing Litmus so far. Every gig I see them at they make new converts (and also drive people off for being too loud but hey, omelettes, eggs), and until Tommy Grenas finally reforms Farflung they're the only band going making the music I crave. Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Bedouin - _As Above So Below_[2] [1] And given that there's, what, at least five good-to-excellent songs they had before they recorded the first one but still didn't use, I don't see why the second one should take that long :-) [2] Do you suppose that if the Hawkwind album ever comes out we'll see something else happen on the Bedouin front or is that a closed book now? -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Aug 3 17:34:49 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:34:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: <20040803202150.GB25279@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) : :> http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Jademan : :Umm, my opinion is exactly the opposite of yours, I'm afraid. I :much MUCH *MUCH* prefer email lists over web forums! With the :latter, I have to periodically scan all the forums I'm interested :in, one after another, to check for new messages. That's a royal :pain -- I want the messages to come to me! : :Funny, ISTR having just this discussion (except maybe it was :BBS's vs. Usenet; same difference [sic]) over coffee at a Quality :Inn in London, when we were all there for HawXMas in 2000. : For my part, I just wish the repository was distinguished from the presentation medium, so that folks could use whatever client they liked ;-) (email, news, web, etc.) Eh, 'til then I vastly prefer email over web forums, as I've yet to meet a web forum I didn't find horribly annoying or terribly insecure ;-) (of course, I also wouldn't mind a nice nntp gateway either, but I'm not so bothered that I'm about to write one ;-) ) ...and yeah, we did have this conversation already :-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 3 23:17:23 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:17:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:34, Arin Komins wrote: > (of course, I also wouldn't mind a nice nntp gateway either, but I'm not > so bothered that I'm about to write one ;-) ) (On, e.g., FreeBSD:) cd /usr/ports/mail/lmtp2nntp make install clean Voila! Alternatively: cd /usr/ports/news/p5-Gateway/ make install clean [[Use News::Gateway Perl module...]] Again, Voila! :-) Personally, I despise mail->news gateways, at least unsanctioned or unknown ones. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Aug 4 09:33:25 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:33:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: <1091589442.49153.9.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Paul Mather wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) : :On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:34, Arin Komins wrote: : :> (of course, I also wouldn't mind a nice nntp gateway either, but I'm not :> so bothered that I'm about to write one ;-) ) : :(On, e.g., FreeBSD:) : :cd /usr/ports/mail/lmtp2nntp :make install clean : :Voila! : :Alternatively: : :cd /usr/ports/news/p5-Gateway/ :make install clean :[[Use News::Gateway Perl module...]] : :Again, Voila! : ::-) : :Personally, I despise mail->news gateways, at least unsanctioned or :unknown ones. : Thanks for the pointers! I've not looked in the last couple of years, so didn't realize someone had put them together ;-) I like the news interface, on occasion. I'd never actually propogate list to Usenet. Arin (although I hear mutt might have a decent threading interface for email, so I should probably investigate that first ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 4 10:10:19 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:10:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 09:33, Arin Komins wrote: > (although I hear mutt might have a decent threading interface for email, > so I should probably investigate that first ;-) ) I can verify from personal experience that mutt's threading interface is good. I tend to use Evolution nowadays, and it also does threading for e-mail. (As an aside, I love Evolution's virtual folder [VFolder] feature. For example, it's easy to make a VFolder [logical folder] for "all unread BOC-L mail in my incoming mail," or "all mail in all my subscribed-to *BSD mailing lists," etc. and then utilise those mail folders like they were regular folders. VFolders differ from regular filters in that messages aren't routed physically to destination folders but appear only "virtually" in those virtual folders [and can appear in many VFolders depending upon criteria]. Deleting, or otherwise acting upon, a message in a VFolder will also delete [act upon] the message being pointed to, supporting the illusion that VFolders are just like regular folders.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed Aug 4 10:46:38 2004 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:46:38 +0200 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum (was Re: Hawkwind Mind Journey) In-Reply-To: <20040803202150.GB25279@telepres.com> Message-ID: > > [...] and I wondered if you guys would be interested in using > > this discussion/Q&A site I created a few months ago, but had'nt been able > > to tell anyone about? > > > > http://www.myphpbb.co.uk/phpbb/index.php?forum=Jademan > > Umm, my opinion is exactly the opposite of yours, I'm afraid. I > much MUCH *MUCH* prefer email lists over web forums! With the > latter, I have to periodically scan all the forums I'm interested > in, one after another, to check for new messages. That's a royal > pain -- I want the messages to come to me! I agree with Eric. Never been much into forums. They can be such a pain to use. It takes way too much time and effort, IMHO. I'd hate to see the list replaced by a forum. Although I wouldn't see a problem with having both -- just don't expect me to use the forum, lol. Not like I've been very active on the list lately anyway, but there you go. I check my mail several times a day. On the few forums I use, I tend to only visit them once a month, if even that. Just my two cents. Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 4 11:13:01 2004 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:13:01 -0400 Subject: New tracks at soundclick Message-ID: sorry if you've read this elsewhere I'm sure many of you are aware of the site http://www.soundclick.com/ as fellow list member Tom Byrne has got a number of tracks uploaded here. well I'd just like to give a little plug to a good friend of the Hawkwind museum (and a relation of a certain Hawkwind "bass assassin!), Nigel Potter who has also added the tracks to the site. whilst he'll be the first to admit that they are "a little rough around the edges" as they are basically demo versions i for one think that they are well worth a listen and i think they will be of interest to Hawk fans the world over! you can access them by either clicking on http://www.soundclick.com/ and typing in a search for N Potter http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/npottermusic.htm will take you straight to them http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/links1.htm if you fancy stopping by the museum for a quick browse on your way (yes, ok cheap plug!) anyway hope you enjoy them and feel free to give some feedback either via the list or to me direct at dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk either way i will make sure Nigel gets them thanks for your time regards Dave From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Wed Aug 4 20:32:56 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:32:56 -0700 Subject: The Oyster Band and The Cult In-Reply-To: <200408041646.39828.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: Play The Guess Who game: I remember mr. Dave Kuznick - welcome back from the distant 90's, time traveller! regards The Elkhund of The Wind From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 4 18:45:19 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:45:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Email list vs. web forum Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:21:50 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:14:01PM -0400, Jade man wrote: >> I dont know if anyone is interested, but I find this list extremely >> awkward to use [...] Have you tried changing your list setting to NOMAIL and simply accessing the list through the web interface: http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/archives/boc-l.html This basically has the effect of making your list access more like that to a forum, and it stops your inbox filling up with list mail. And it's very easy to use. Caveat: I am a non-techie, and may well be ignorant of reasons why one might not want to do this. But it works for me. Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 5 09:20:24 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:20:24 +0100 Subject: Attention Galactic Police: CDR's on Ebay Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4027826267&rd=1 The Hawkestra in full. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 5 12:28:59 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:28:59 +0100 Subject: So are they real? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=3830803072&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Space Ritual platinum discs. From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 5 12:47:54 2004 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:47:54 +0100 Subject: So are they real? In-Reply-To: <200408051628.i75GSxqd017960@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Nah, it's some geezer making 'em up. Saw a few Damned ones go a some months back... first one went for a fortune as I assume the buyer thought they were getting a one-off. Lo and behold, a couple of days later another exact copy appeared. I think the buyer refused to pay (it was in the hundreds of pounds), which was fair enough I think. It gets really annoying when people just flood eBay with this sorta thing. Dave At 17:28 05/08/2004 +0100, you wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem&rd=1&item=3830803072&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > >Space Ritual platinum discs. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Aug 5 15:11:16 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:11:16 -0400 Subject: So are they real? In-Reply-To: <200408051628.i75GSxqd017960@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 05:28:59PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Subject: Re: So are they real? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=3830803072&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > Space Ritual platinum discs. Depends what you mean by "real" :-) I'm willing to believe they're really platinum (even if the plating is only microns thick), and done up nicely and all. But are they the official ones awarded to the band? Not likely. Ummm, did SR even go platinum? (I should know this of course! But it seems I don't...) "This Award is a product of ~ UK MUSIC AWARDS.CO.UK ~ (Established for over 30 years)". See http://www.ukmusicawards.co.uk/ -- the whole site, but especially http://www.ukmusicawards.co.uk/hawk.html and http://www.ukmusicawards.co.uk/info.html. The description on eBay is a gem of deception. They use the word "original" four times, but three of them are only saying that they used an actual copy of SR in the manufacture. They even give the game away by describing the manufacturing technique -- if these were the official award discs, who'd care how they were made? (If you were auctioning off the watch that Hillary took to the summit of Everest, how much would it matter whether it was a Rolex or a Timex?) Their fourth use of the word is pretty dodgy: "The original platinum discs are mounted on ..." That does seem to say that these are the official pair, but I presume that, if challenged, they'll claim that the phrase means no more than, again, that it's original vinyl Space Ritual discs under the platinum plating. >From the "Info" page on their site: They are individually crafted & limited to between 1 and 10 They are not mass produced, replica imported Awards. Indeed not. Instead, they would seem to be hand-crafted replica domestic Awards. Scumbags. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 5 19:27:20 2004 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:27:20 -0400 Subject: So are they real? Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:11:16 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >http://www.ukmusicawards.co.uk/hawk.html Where you can also buy a gold disc for that well-known HW album "QUARK,STRANGERS AND CHARM" >Scumbags. Indeed, although they may not be actually breaking any laws. Nevertheless I'd have thought Ebay's code of conduct would mitigate against this sort of stunt- worth contacting them perhaps? Nick From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 5 18:45:44 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:45:44 +0100 Subject: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? Message-ID: Nooooooo - long since deleted - oddly enough, this CD must have attained quite a rarity status by now as you rarely see any copies around which is a shame coz it's a stonkingly good set. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Youles To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Which Hawkwind Live album is this excerpt from? > That would be from "The Friday Rock Show Sessions (Live At Reading '86)" I > don't know whether it's currently available - check with CD Services > > Steve > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:20:58 -0400, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan > wrote: > > >Can anyone here tell me which album this excerpt of > >Assault and Battery live is from? I wish to buy it > >and dont want to get the wrong one! MANY thanks in advance! > > > >http://members.shaw.ca/filiz/Assaultlive.mp3 From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 5 18:51:35 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:51:35 +0100 Subject: CD Services Message-ID: Also lots of links directly to reviews on the CD Services website from my Dead Earnest website at www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk and it's agcdser at aol.com or you can get me at deadearnest at btopenworld.com Always happy to hear from anyone, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Muad'Dib To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: Re: CD Services > http://www.cd-services.com/ > > Agcdser at aol.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:21 AM > Subject: CD Services > > > > I am new here,,,, is there a link here to "CD Services"? TIA > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 5 18:56:51 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:56:51 +0100 Subject: Assault and Battery Live Message-ID: The Griffin version is well deleted. We recently had back in the UK version (which is oddly enough deleted in the UK) but supplies are eratic and none are on the shelves right now - so I would suggest you try me again in a few weeks time - if not, then it's "bye bye" to yet another release by Hawkwind. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Youles To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 AM Subject: Re: Assault and Battery Live > Hi Chris > > Well I prefer the Friday Rock Show Sessions version to the one on Live > Chronicles, but doubtless others don't. Yes, I think A&B was originally > omitted from Live Chronicles for contractual reasons, and only got added on > after these had been resolved, hence the Griffin release has it where the > GWR version didn't. > > I think CD Services can still supply Live Chronicles but I don't recall > offhand if it's the Griffin version. > > I'd contact them by phone or email (orders at cd-services.com) since, IMHO, > and it pains me to say it: I think they have the worst website in the > world. (Mine's not far behind, but that's another story.) > > Good luck > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:31:41 -0400, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jademan > wrote: > > >Steve thanks for the reply. > > > >I particularly liked the energetic bass line on this version of > >Assault, which is why I wanted to buy the full copy, also the sound > >quality was excellent. That said, sessions is impossible to get hold of. > >Can you recall if the version on Live Chronicles is as good? > >I recall the sound quality of live chronicles wasnt quite as good as this > >excerpt.Also I dont recall assault being on my original version of Live > >Chonicles (now lost due to bad loan), was it added as a bonus track to > >later version? > > > >TIA > >J From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Aug 6 19:43:08 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (tim 8>)...) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:43:08 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: While browsing through (always a good place to find used cds), they actually had a copy of Club Ninja, listed as a collector's item. Apparently it is, since their used copy was selling for $30 !! Glad i bought mine at the flea market for $5. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Aug 6 21:26:06 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:26:06 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Especially after listening to it. hehe. -- Quoting "tim 8>)..." : > While browsing through (always a good place to find used > cds), they actually had a copy of Club Ninja, listed as a collector's item. > Apparently it is, since their used copy was selling for $30 !! Glad i bought > mine at the flea market for $5. > > From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Sat Aug 7 04:42:03 2004 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:42:03 +0200 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <1091841966.41142fae6419f@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason M. Scruton wrote: >Especially after listening to it. hehe. >-- >Quoting "tim 8>)..." : > > > >>While browsing through (always a good place to find used >>cds), they actually had a copy of Club Ninja, listed as a collector's item. >>Apparently it is, since their used copy was selling for $30 !! Glad i bought >>mine at the flea market for $5. >> >> OK, here we go again..... ;-) Actually, I like Club Ninja, just _because_ it is so different. I like to be surprized, and Club Ninja was one. Imaginos was a bigger (and better) one, I'll admit right away. That's probably why I love The Almighty. Four different styles of hard rock/heavy metal on four CDs.... Gr, Arjan H From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 7 07:25:54 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:25:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > P.S. Last night, I saw the movie "More" on TV (1969), which of course has a > Pink Floyd soundtrack. So I heard the original "Cymbaline" for the first > time, which was kinda haphazardly done IMHO, so I prefer the Brock version. I've never quite been able to choose between the two. The Floyd version seems anything but haphazard to me, it's perfectly rhythmical and measured but very low-key. This makes it a very peaceful piece of listening, but also a listless one. It seems to me to fit onto the album, well, as a kind of siesta when it's too hot to move very much. Possibly I'm too metaphorical here but I do find it very peaceful, despite the lyrics. On the other hand the spaciness and eeriness of the Hawkwind (Zoo?) version play the lyrics up much better and it's generally more exciting. They both work, I think, but the Hawkwind once might be the more coherent version (shocking!); only, not because of the playing, just because they're matching sound to lyrics better. > Actually, Floyd's music only shows up here and there and not really very > powerful stuff to be honest, compared to other material from the same > period. But then I was watching the movie just to see what it was about. > Pretty simple affair really...just two young kids travelling around Europe > and experimenting with various drugs. It seemed to glamorize marijuana and > LSD while demonizing heroin, which I suppose is not an unfair treatment > (though I'm not really one to know), but I suppose the irony is what > happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) Syd's not on the album, of course, and the script wasn't Floyd's, but I see what you mean. I think it's quite a nice little album, actually, very much on the same lines as _Ummagumma_ and if without the tremendous live stuff also without the nadir of the solo pieces; a lot of experiments and mostly at least partway sucessful, and an overall feel and atmosphere that fits very nicely with what stills they give you from the film in the sleeve. You can imagine it operating as soudtrack in a way that I personally can't inagine _Obscured By Clouds_ doing. _More_ is certainly one of the three Floyd albums I listen to most now that I've mostly got over the teenage angst that had me (and how many others?) lauding _Wish You Were Here_ and _The Wall_, not that they're not both great as they go but I very rarely want to play them any more. _More_ has retained my interest for longer. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET Sat Aug 7 09:58:52 2004 From: ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:58:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins Message-ID: Spotted the first on-line review (Amazon aside) for this book, via the Rockahead.com website: http://www.rockahead.net/reviews/reviewpage.php?link=HAWKWIND_SONIC_BOOK.HTM Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Sat Aug 7 19:31:05 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:31:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: FinnTroll Message-ID: Att. seekers of adventure: The new FinnTroll CD called "Nattf?dd" comes highly recommended from all of them to all of You, the Christmas spirit is kept alive with real witchy and evil psycho trolls blood death vocals and a great folk anthemic Finnish black/death sound, though the lyrics would be hard to understand if you don't speak Norw/Swe/Dan-ish I suppose (they sing in Swedish), stuff stuff stuff your stockings kids. Recommended!!! Nice artwurk too. Maybe I will review it in Aural Innovations. Christian Elkhund m/f From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Sat Aug 7 11:22:35 2004 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:22:35 +0800 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <200408070900.i778K6Ok002887@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: It certainly is becoming a collector's item. Took me a while to get hold of the Collectors Choice CD of Club Ninja, which incidentally is quite different to the standard USA / UK and Koch versions. I got a shock on first listening to the regular USA CD, having been exposed to the original UK vinyl edition for so long! At 05:00 7/08/04 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:43:08 -0400 >From: "tim 8>)..." >Subject: Club Ninja > >While browsing through (always a good place to find >used cds), they actually had a copy of Club Ninja, listed as a collector's >item. Apparently it is, since their used copy was selling for $30 !! Glad >i bought mine at the flea market for $5. From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Sat Aug 7 19:40:43 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:40:43 -0700 Subject: HW: "The Best of Indie Metal" (kollektors nugget bulletin) Message-ID: Anyone else ever pick this up. I got this at a supermarket with the almost recent Stranglers "Written In Blood" CD (the new singer is just as good =) Anyway, It has two Hawkwind tunes from the "Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-85" and Huw Lloyd-Langton's "Wind Of Change" plus +++ Persian Risk, Tygers Of Pan Tang, Girlschool, The Scrubs and other classic 80's UK "indie" metal. on Emporio EMPRCD552 Tracklist later cause I gotta go... Christian Elkhund m/f From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Aug 7 20:05:53 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:05:53 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: What was different about the U.K. vinyl edition? tim 8>)... Ian Jeffcock wrote: > > It certainly is becoming a collector's item. > Took me a while to get hold of the Collectors Choice CD of Club Ninja, > which incidentally is quite different to the standard USA / UK and Koch > versions. > I got a shock on first listening to the regular USA CD, having been > exposed to the original UK vinyl edition for so long! > > At 05:00 7/08/04 -0400, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:43:08 -0400 > >From: "tim 8>)..." > >Subject: Club Ninja > > > >While browsing through (always a good place to find > >used cds), they actually had a copy of Club Ninja, listed as a collector's > >item. Apparently it is, since their used copy was selling for $30 !! Glad > >i bought mine at the flea market for $5. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 7 23:44:32 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:44:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Magic Cat Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 8, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #108), Alchemical Radio (show #65), and Magic Cat Radio (show #7). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html New in stock at the Aural Innovations CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Litmus - "You Are Here" (Heavy metallic Space Rock from the UK) Bahrain - s/t (Heavy rock and psych from band that includes Scott Telles of ST 37) For more information visit our mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: Space Rock Web Ring Members Special Part 1 (show #108) Litmus - "Dreams Of Space" (from You Are Here) The Invisible Band - "Muzik 108" (from Galactic Citizen) Seven That Spells - "Radio Luxemburg Orbital Station Of Love" (from The Blowout) Tom Byrne - "Grey Goo" (from The Store Of All The Worlds) Babylonian Tiles - "Crystal Gavel" (from Teknicolour Aftermath) Nik Turner - "Yyrckoon" (from Transglobal Friends and Relations) Nik Turner - "Sea King" (from Transglobal Friends and Relations) Dark Sun - "Astral Magic" (from Feed Your Mind) Judge Trev - "Tremblin Hand" (from God and Man) Mr Quimby's Beard - "Within The Mind" (from Mr Quimby's Beard) Aspect - "Uncover The Black Dome" (from Circle Of Windows) Alchemical Radio (show #65) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Introduction by The Reverend Rabbit Gargantua Soul - "Rat Pack" Life Of Agony - "Lost At 22" Blue Cheer "Out Of Focus" Purple Overdose - "So Apropos" Bitter Little Cider Apples - "Butter Face Down" Dark Water - "Don't Tell Me" Mercury Boy "Bus Driver" Terry Munday - "Good, God & Retribution" The Lucky Bishops - "She's Breaking Up" Peace Mafia - "Pride" Queensryche - "Falling Behind" The Electric Riders - "Ocean Velvet" Ya-Ni-Zniyoo - "Black Cats" Morph - "7th Son Parts 1 & 2" Daniele Brusaschetto - "Arancioni" Jamison Young - "Cold World" Magic Cat Radio (show #7) Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Dr Brown and Majic Cat, and features special live performances from Majic Cat, related bands, and anything else that Kev cares to share. This edition of Magic Cat Radio features the last album Dr. Brown recorded before splitting up, Trolleyed, in its entirety. As a bonus we have a remix of the first track, "Take It Easy". TRACKS: "Taking The Easy Way Out" "Meditation 1" "Out Of The In" "Swivel" "Meditation 2" "Family" "Taking The Easy Way Out" (bonus remix track) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 8 08:04:32 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:04:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: <200407011439.i61Eddsa018714@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, M Holmes wrote: (quoting Keith Henderson) > > but I suppose the irony is what > > happened to Syd Barrett stemmed mainly from LSD. (Unless that's myth.) > > Weirdly I know someone who bumped into him in the wilds and spent some > time in his company (as a retired rock star - they only figured out who > after the holiday). Seems it's no rumour. It really didn't do the guy > any good. Something lije 3% of the population are prone to schizophrenia > and a bad LSD experience is one of the things that can set it off. Certainly the sate he's in is documented, every now and then when there's some Floyd-like news the _Cambridge Evening News_ prints a picture of Syd and tries to tie the story in with him. When that recent Barrett best of came out they even tried to get an interview, but he wouldn't let them. He `doesn't deal terribly well with people', is the best way I've so far seen it put. Meanwhile, of course, finding somebody round here with a Syd story is not hard to do. My favourite one is an erstwhile Cambridge friend of mine who, being small and female, was in the habit of singing to herself when she had to walk places alone to keep her spirits up. One time she was trying to find a friend's house in a part of Cambridge she'd not been before, and passed a guy standing by himself at the entrance to the road. She was singing something of her own devising, but when she realised she'd got the wrong, dead-end, road and came back again, the guy was singing a harmony part to it. Then when she finally found the friend she was after, said friend heard about this and said, all open-mouthed, "oh, but that's the area Syd Barrett goes walking in..." My friend unfortunately had no idea what Syd then looked like, and doesn't have very good sight anyway, so we'll never know how likely that is, but it's a good little story anyway. Yours, JOn -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Sun Aug 8 11:08:25 2004 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:08:25 +0800 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <200408080900.i788leKi016062@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Tim, the UK mix is a bit more raw, not as many overdubs, my understanding was that the UK release was rushed out early to coincide with the tour. From the BOC FAQ about Club Ninja (and totally worthwhile getting hold of all 3 mixes in my opinion!): Notes: There were three different releases by Columbia of this album, each with a slightly different mix. A somewhat rushed mix was released in England in November of 1985 (this release is believed to be available only on LP and cassette, but not on CD). Another mix was released in Holland in December of 1995. The third mix (released in the U.S. and elsewhere), was released in January 1986. EPIC records released this album as a "Collector's Choice" edition in 1992 using the Holland mix. Produced by Sandy Pearlman. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, guitar), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (vocals, guitars, keyboards), Jimmy Wilcox (background vocals, percussion), Tommy Zvoncheck (synthesizers, piano, organ), Thommy Price (drums), Phil Grande (additional guitars), Kenny Aaronson (additional bass). This is the first CD recorded by BOC (as opposed to previous releases, where the CD was later cut from the LP masters). The spoken words at the start of "When the War Comes" ("When the bones of our oppressors... All hail the revolution") are done by New York DJ Howard Stern (who's mother is presumably related to Eric Bloom's wife's mother). The European releases of this album do not contain these spoken words. In addition, on the first (England) mix, "White Flags" does not end via fade-out. This version is available on some single versions of this song. There are other various discrepancies between the album and single releases due to the various mixes (there are noticeable variations in "White Flags", "Make Rock Not War", "Spy In The House Of The Night", "When The War Comes", "The Shadow Warrior", and "Madness To The Method"). The song "White Flags" was originally recorded on Hugh and Gordon Leggatt's 1982 album, *Illuminations*. According to "Morning Final #2", the song "Shadow Warrior" was originally a song called "I'm A Rebel" (with different lyrics), and written (but not used) for the 1984 film, *Teachers*. This album was discontinued in the U.S., although it was re-released in March of 1997 on Koch records, with new liner notes. At 05:00 8/08/04 -0400, you wrote: >What was different about the U.K. vinyl edition? >tim 8>)... From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Aug 8 15:51:02 2004 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:51:02 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: Ian Many thanks for the info. tim 8>)... Ian Jeffcock wrote: > > Tim, the UK mix is a bit more raw, not as many overdubs, my > understanding was that the UK release was rushed out early > to coincide with the tour. From the BOC FAQ about Club Ninja > (and totally worthwhile getting hold of all 3 mixes in my opinion!): > > Notes: There were three different releases by Columbia of this album, > each with a slightly different mix. A somewhat rushed mix was released > in England in November of 1985 (this release is believed to be available > only on LP and cassette, but not on CD). Another mix was released in > Holland in December of 1995. The third mix (released in the U.S. and > elsewhere), was released in January 1986. EPIC records released this > album as a "Collector's Choice" edition in 1992 using the Holland mix. > Produced by Sandy Pearlman. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar), > Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, guitar), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser > (vocals, guitars, keyboards), Jimmy Wilcox (background vocals, > percussion), Tommy Zvoncheck (synthesizers, piano, organ), Thommy Price > (drums), Phil Grande (additional guitars), Kenny Aaronson (additional > bass). This is the first CD recorded by BOC (as opposed to previous > releases, where the CD was later cut from the LP masters). The spoken > words at the start of "When the War Comes" ("When the bones of our > oppressors... All hail the revolution") are done by New York DJ Howard > Stern (who's mother is presumably related to Eric Bloom's wife's > mother). The European releases of this album do not contain these > spoken words. In addition, on the first (England) mix, "White Flags" > does not end via fade-out. This version is available on some single > versions of this song. There are other various discrepancies between > the album and single releases due to the various mixes (there are > noticeable variations in "White Flags", "Make Rock Not War", "Spy In The > House Of The Night", "When The War Comes", "The Shadow Warrior", and > "Madness To The Method"). The song "White Flags" was originally > recorded on Hugh and Gordon Leggatt's 1982 album, *Illuminations*. > According to "Morning Final #2", the song "Shadow Warrior" was > originally a song called "I'm A Rebel" (with different lyrics), and > written (but not used) for the 1984 film, *Teachers*. This album was > discontinued in the U.S., although it was re-released in March of 1997 > on Koch records, with new liner notes. > > At 05:00 8/08/04 -0400, you wrote: > >What was different about the U.K. vinyl edition? > >tim 8>)... 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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 9 09:43:24 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:43:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Various In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Doug Pearson wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400 > From: Doug Pearson > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Various > > Nice to see some input from someone with (unlike me) professional > knowledge ... > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:47:13 -0400, Nick Medford > wrote: > > >Going back to Syd Barrett, I read (admittedly in a Sunday newspaper rather > >than anywhere scientifically reputable) that he has never been given any > >formal psychiatric diagnosis, and never been sectioned. I got the > >impression that while he surely does have his problems, he is not > >quite the acid-fried casualty of popular myth. > > He's been living with his mum for over 30 years (just like Roky > Erickson!), which, I would think, would keep him out of clinics & > hospitals as long as he's non-violent. I have heard that he has > considerable physical health problems (diabetes, for starters) these > days. It's clear that whatever it was that happened to him made it sadly > impossible for him to continue his promising musical career. Supposedly his sister these days, his mother having died a while back. He's bald these days, and quite heavy-set, and one wouldn't necessarily take him for anything other than a confused townie now I think. I tried searching the Cambridge Evening News archive for the story I remembered, but it's not there. Google does produce one reasonably articulate article including a recent interview (not very enlightening), at: And this generic page has what seems to be a recent picture at the top: Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Aug 9 14:54:34 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:54:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins In-Reply-To: <2991674.1091887132510.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 03:58:52PM +0200, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Spotted the first on-line review (Amazon aside) for this book Hmm, I guess it's time to get my order in. What's the publisher's URL again, Ian? I'm still boycotting Amazon... >From the review: > [...] surely there is no stone left > unturned within the text contained on its almost three hundred > pages. Nor any Turner unstoned :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Tue Aug 10 19:38:30 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:30 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?OFF:_Mot=F6rhead_"Inferno"?= Message-ID: Just got this the other day, it is quite excellent though I found "Hammered" to be a wee bit better... errr... almost... a wee bit more "hip" sounding if I dare say.... ! though speaking as hard rocking motherf*cker to all you blind english ppl: "Fight, Fight, Fight, Motherf*cker!" Lemmy still rules! Chr. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 10 11:52:00 2004 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:52:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Message-ID: Whoda thunk it? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/music_poll_results/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 10 12:25:12 2004 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:25:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Message-ID: Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? no surprise there --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story bobm From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Aug 10 14:17:24 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:17:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's a little unkind. If by Rush you mean the Caress of Steel, Farewell to Kings, 2112 era then the albums are great albums, but sadly ideal only for teenage males. As a teenage (43teen) male I still love them :-) Actually a lot of the albums I loved as a teenage male now sound embarrassingly juvenile. Still love them though :-) Having said that, Hawkwind (desparate attempt to get back on topic) has aged remarkably well. Rather better than such luminaries as Pink Floyd. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sent: 10 August 2004 17:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? no surprise there --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 10 14:32:35 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:32:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mot=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6rhead?= "Inferno" Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:30 -0700, Christian wrote: >Just got this the other day, it is quite excellent though I found >"Hammered" to be a wee bit better... errr... almost... a wee bit >more "hip" sounding if I dare say.... ! Indeed, I've heard "Killers" on the radio (college, natch), and that song certainly smokes! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From zim594j at TNINET.SE Tue Aug 10 15:00:44 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:00:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice In-Reply-To: <002301c47f06$497237d0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: I must add that the Rush's latest masterpiece Vapour Trails is really noisy and great... > That's a little unkind. > > If by Rush you mean the Caress of Steel, Farewell to Kings, 2112 era > then > the albums are great albums, but sadly ideal only for teenage males. > As a > teenage (43teen) male I still love them :-) > > Actually a lot of the albums I loved as a teenage male now sound > embarrassingly juvenile. Still love them though :-) > > Having said that, Hawkwind (desparate attempt to get back on topic) > has aged > remarkably well. Rather better than such luminaries as Pink Floyd. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of RMayo19761 at AOL.COM > Sent: 10 August 2004 17:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice > > > Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? > no surprise there > --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story > bobm > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 10 15:44:49 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:44:49 +0100 Subject: Rush - the people's choice Message-ID: Bizarre - those jobs must be some BORING jobs!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Allen To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Whoda thunk it? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/music_poll_results/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 10 15:46:09 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:46:09 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mot=F6rhead_=22Inferno=22?= Message-ID: Agree totally - "Hammered" for me is, composition and playing wise, a far more urgent, purposeful and convincing album - if you ask me (and nooone has) he's tried too hard on this new one!! Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: OFF: Mot?rhead "Inferno" > Just got this the other day, it is quite excellent though I found > "Hammered" to be a wee bit better... errr... almost... a wee bit more "hip" > sounding if I dare say.... ! > > > though speaking as hard rocking motherf*cker to all you blind english ppl: > "Fight, Fight, Fight, Motherf*cker!" > > Lemmy still rules! > > Chr. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 10 15:51:13 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:51:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Message-ID: Agree about Floyd - surely I can't be the only one who thinks DSOTM these days sounds lifeless and plodding. I think that's why I got so much out of the three Pink Floyd tribute CD's - classic songs given whole new leases of life by modern artsists who keep faithful to the feel and structure of the originals - I listen to these more than I listen to Floyd!! As to the Hawks, most albums still sound surprisingly contemporary. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: HawkFan To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice > That's a little unkind. > > If by Rush you mean the Caress of Steel, Farewell to Kings, 2112 era then > the albums are great albums, but sadly ideal only for teenage males. As a > teenage (43teen) male I still love them :-) > > Actually a lot of the albums I loved as a teenage male now sound > embarrassingly juvenile. Still love them though :-) > > Having said that, Hawkwind (desparate attempt to get back on topic) has aged > remarkably well. Rather better than such luminaries as Pink Floyd. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of RMayo19761 at AOL.COM > Sent: 10 August 2004 17:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice > > > Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? > no surprise there > --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story > bobm From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 10 15:52:53 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:52:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Message-ID: A band for me who've never made a perfect album but whose career is littered with perfect songs. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Magnusson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice > I must add that the Rush's latest masterpiece Vapour Trails is really > noisy and great... > > > That's a little unkind. > > > > If by Rush you mean the Caress of Steel, Farewell to Kings, 2112 era > > then > > the albums are great albums, but sadly ideal only for teenage males. > > As a > > teenage (43teen) male I still love them :-) > > > > Actually a lot of the albums I loved as a teenage male now sound > > embarrassingly juvenile. Still love them though :-) > > > > Having said that, Hawkwind (desparate attempt to get back on topic) > > has aged > > remarkably well. Rather better than such luminaries as Pink Floyd. > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of RMayo19761 at AOL.COM > > Sent: 10 August 2004 17:25 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice > > > > > > Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? > > no surprise there > > --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story > > bobm > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 10 19:20:26 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:20:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus In-Reply-To: <007201c460cc$aeaa2e80$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > The stunning debut CD from Litmus "You Are Here" is now available; go to: > http://www.spacemusic.biz Having done as he suggested I strongly suggest you do similar. Not only is it only eleven quid[1] for 60 minutes of top-notch spacerock, but some people on reading Andy Garibaldi's write-up in the CD Services mailout might be forgiven for thinking this band were another Hawkwind clone. There are some moments of unmistakable derivation (perhaps we could say `tribute') but never delivered as Hawkwind would have delivered them. This is actually pretty damn close to being new and exciting in my cynical and tattered book and though I haven't been able to buy many albums so far this year this must be in the running for best one, against Clutch's _Blast Tyrant_ and Nektar's _A Tab In The Ocean_. So buy it I say. The more they realise they can actually sell stuff the quicker they'll do the next one :-) Yours, Jon (who will do some proper reviews again some day) [1] At time of writing obviously. ObCD: Hawkwind - _The Best of Hawkwind_ (the Castle one) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 10 21:07:36 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:07:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:20:26 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Colin J Allen wrote: > >> The stunning debut CD from Litmus "You Are Here" is now available; >> go to: >> http://www.spacemusic.biz > > Having done as he suggested I strongly suggest you do similar... Yep, gotta agree. I actually heard the CD for the first time just last night (thanks for the loan, Arin! Time for me to buy it!), and it's definitely one of the best pieces of spacerock to come out of the UK in some time (since the last HW album?!?). Great energy levels, pretty memorable songwriting, and definitely some great playing that sounds like a real band playing together ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 11 00:22:34 2004 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:22:34 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Mot=F6rhead=20"Inferno"?= Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2004 3:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: Agree totally - "Hammered" for me is, composition and playing wise, a far more urgent, purposeful and convincing album - if you ask me (and nooone has) he's tried too hard on this new one!! Andy G $.02: i think "Inferno" is brilliant. it's easily their best since "Bastards" (perhaps that will explain where i'm coming from...). "Hammered" had some weak tracks: Dr Love, Mine all Mine, Down the Line... "Inferno" is strong throughout. and in terms of intensity, it really doesn't let up, and that may be why some find the 'subtler (!) "Hammered" better. But in my book, when i put on Motorhead, one of the reasons i did so was for my intensity fix. bobm From gg at SIO4.COM Wed Aug 11 03:24:45 2004 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:24:45 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_Mot=F6rhead_=22Inferno=22?= In-Reply-To: <105.4db07669.2e4af90a@aol.com> Message-ID: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM wrote: > i think "Inferno" is brilliant. it's easily their best since "Bastards" Bastards is my favourite album (after the great albums with Philty & Fast Eddie, of course), but I think that his successor is Snake Bite Love. Insted, I think Hammered is the worst Motorhead album ever. I like only a couple of songs, I jump always over the others. Fontunately, Inferno change directions from Hammered, I think is a very good album with some great great songs like "Life's A Bitch" (the only one they played in wacken last week), "In The Black", "Killers", and the last whorehouse Blues. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 11 04:43:58 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:43:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice In-Reply-To: <002e01c47f13$64c8bd80$0f797ad5@andy> Message-ID: Cyberkrel wrote: > Agree about Floyd - surely I can't be the only one who thinks DSOTM these > days sounds lifeless and plodding. Eh, I always though Floyd got a bit like that. Even as an impressionable teenager, I thought: "People who take that many drugs and still sound that miserable are clearly taking the wrong drugs!" Still, I can appreciate the technical recording acheivement of DSotM at the time, and there are some good bits: every once in a while, a burst of fab Gilmour guitar or something pierces the clouds and make you realize a) that's what you had been waiting for, and b) it was all a bit dreary while you had been waiting ;) > As to the Hawks, most albums still sound surprisingly contemporary. Though I'd also argue that there's maybe a single CD's worth of genuinely excellent HW material since after CotBS. OK, leave room for a few obligatory tracks of weird noises (there have always been a few of those, so it's fair), and maybe a double disk. Still that's better than Floyd's done :) Or BOC, for that matter if we discount _Imaginos_ (which technically came out after CotBS). I recognize that mileage varies, of course :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM Wed Aug 11 06:18:47 2004 From: MLee at GROUPWISE.LINNEY.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:18:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk. Message-ID: Well I thunk it for a start... and yes I suppose I fit into the category of IT pro (sometimes), agree with the comments about changing attitudes with age tho'. I first started Rush with 2112 at the tender age of 14/15, moved into Deep Purple, tried Floyd, gave up on Rush in the late 80's (Domino, Roll The Bones), still listen to Floyd and early Rush albums with some degree of regularity, the only music thats ever stuck with me is Hawkwind, got 'forced' into listening to Levitation on a regular basis at school (6th form) and picked up albums here and there as I could, along came Martyn and rekindled my interest in all things 'Space' in the late 90's. As for Motorhead, well I must admit to not having kept up with the Lemsters output for several years, never stopped playing the old stuff tho - No Sleep, Iron Fist yadda yadda. Seeing the comments in some of the posts makes me suspect I've been missing out, must check the discography and see what I'm missing, anyone care to make recommendations ? (That's opened a can of worms) Right then, back to work we go... tap tap tap, scratch, tap tap, slurp, it's hard being in IT :)) Mark (Hasbeen) -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:52:00 +0100 From: Chris Allen Subject: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Whoda thunk it? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/music_poll_results/ -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:25:12 EDT From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice Rush is the favorite band of IT pros? no surprise there --unless you're the pissy snob who wrote that story bobm -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:17:24 +0100 From: HawkFan Subject: Re: OFF: Rush - the people's choice That's a little unkind. If by Rush you mean the Caress of Steel, Farewell to Kings, 2112 era then the albums are great albums, but sadly ideal only for teenage males. As a teenage (43teen) male I still love them :-) Actually a lot of the albums I loved as a teenage male now sound embarrassingly juvenile. Still love them though :-) Having said that, Hawkwind (desparate attempt to get back on topic) has aged remarkably well. Rather better than such luminaries as Pink Floyd. JR DISCLAIMER: Information contained in this email or any attachment may be of a confidential nature which should not be disclosed to, copied or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you receive this email in error, please delete the email from your computer. Internet communications are not secure and therefore W & J Linney Limited and/or its associated companies does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the W & J Linney Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the W & J Linney Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the W & J Linney Group for operational or business reasons. From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Aug 11 06:24:46 2004 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:24:46 +0100 Subject: off: rush & lT directors Message-ID: >Whoda thunk it? >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/music_poll_results/ snipped from the website: >CIO/IT director >1. Rush And the men who hold high places Must be the ones who start To mold a new reality Closer to the heart >2. Pink Floyd Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar. You're gonna go far, fly high, You're never gonna die, you're gonna make it if you try;they're gonna love you. and cant stop lose job mind gone silicon what bomb get away pay day make hay break down need fix big six clickity click hold on oh no brrrrrrrrrring bingo! or Money, get away Get a good job with good pay and you're okay Money, it's a gas Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think I'll buy me a football team and For long you live and high you fly But only if you ride the tide And balanced on the biggest wave You race towards an early grave >3. Heart The love I'm sending Ain't making it through to your heart You've been hiding - never letting it show Always trying to keep it under control You got it down and you're well On the way to the top But there's something that you forgot What about love Don't you want someone to care about you What about love Don't let it slip away What about love >4. Slayer -- got stuck here as i don't know any slayer stuff? >5. Dead Kennedys "so you been to school for a year or two and you know you've seen it all. In daddies car thinking you'll go far, back east your type don't crawl! Play ethnicky jazz to parade your snazz on your 5 grand sterio, bragging that you know how the niggers feel cold and the slums got so much soul!...." and "Kill kill kill kill kill the poor.... MAxine From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 11 06:41:31 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:41:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead (was Re: OFF: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Lee wrote: > As for Motorhead, well I must admit > to not having kept up with the Lemsters output for several years, > never > stopped playing the old stuff tho - No Sleep, Iron Fist yadda yadda. > Seeing the comments in some of the posts makes me suspect I've been > missing out, must check the discography and see what I'm missing, > anyone care to make recommendations ? (That's opened a can of worms) Having only encountered Motorhead properly in university (some 10 or so years ago now), I am a staunch believer in the "latter day" Motorhead albums. IMO, most of the recent output is as good as if not often better than the "classic" stuff. I'll take _Sacrifice_ over _Iron Fist_ anyday! I'll admit to not yet having _Inferno_ or _Hammered_, but I've picked up most of the others. IMO, _1916_ has great songs, though the sound is a bit on the thin side. _Bastards_ and _Sacrifice_ sound much better (and have good stuff, too). _March or Die_ is a bit lame, IMO. _Overnight Sensation_ and _Snake Bite Love_ I think are great though. And there's solid stuff on _We Are Motorhead_, though I've never warmed to it as much as the others (I thought the "God Save the Queen" Sex Pistols cover was a bit cheezy and pointless). And though even I would not stoop to such blasphemy as impuning _No Sleep 'til Hammersmith_'s exalted status, I would say there's an argument to be made that if you have only one Motorhead album, it should possibly be _Everything Louder Than Everyone Else_ live one (from the _Snake Bite Love_ tour), which has all the classics (old and new) played great and sounding surprisingly well recorded. In any case, it sounds exactly like Motorhead :) IMO, the weakest albums (though each having a few good tracks) I've heard are _Iron Fist_, _Rock'n'Roll_, and _March or Die_, and everything else has varying degrees of excellentness. (And I'll pick up _Hammered_ and _Inferno_ eventually, no doubt about it!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 11 06:43:22 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:43:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmmm, I _had_ been wondering whether this would live up to the hype -- and it sounds promising. I must get a listen to Jon's .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Aug 11 07:25:25 2004 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:25:25 +0800 Subject: HW: Litmus Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: Having done as he suggested I strongly suggest you do similar. Not > only is it only eleven quid[1] for 60 minutes of top-notch spacerock, but > some people on reading Andy Garibaldi's write-up in the CD Services > mailout might be forgiven for thinking this band were another Hawkwind > clone. There are some moments of unmistakable derivation (perhaps we could > say `tribute') but never delivered as Hawkwind would have delivered > them. I agree with Jon - go out a buy it! "Do yourself a favour," as Molly Meldrum says. "It is written" in the liner notes about nicking riffs etc. but hey, it brings out a smile while listening to it. The album certainly holds your attention. This is actually pretty damn close to being new and exciting in my > cynical and tattered book and though I haven't been able to buy many > albums so far this year this must be in the running for best one, against > Clutch's _Blast Tyrant_ and Nektar's _A Tab In The Ocean_. So buy it I > say. The more they realise they can actually sell stuff the quicker > they'll do the next one :-) Yours, > Jon (who will do some proper reviews > again some day) Last year's discovery was 7% Solution with their "All About Satellites and Spaceships" CD. This year it's Litmus. Exciting things await.... Cheers Bill > > [1] At time of writing obviously. > ObCD: Hawkwind - _The Best of Hawkwind_ (the Castle one) > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 11 07:33:41 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:33:41 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Sonic Chillout Festival In-Reply-To: <002901c462cd$cc54e530$38f80352@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Nick Lee wrote: > So who's going this at the weekend then? I was hoping to but couldn't in the end; when I looked into getting there it became pretty clear it was `drivers only' and in any case I had charge of the child for the weekend and couldn't have got there without taking him out of school on the Friday. The trouible with hippies that breed... Anyway. How was it, like the BOC gigs I've seen nothiong on-list about it? Yours, Jon ObCD: Thin Lizzy - _Live and Dangerous_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 11 07:49:35 2004 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:49:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead (was Re: OFF: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk.) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2004 6:41:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: IMO, the weakest albums (though each having a few good tracks) I've heard are _Iron Fist_, _Rock'n'Roll_, and _March or Die I agree completely, and i'd add "Hammered' to that list as well... bobm From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Aug 11 08:03:23 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:03:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Mark Lee : > Well I thunk it for a start... and yes I suppose I fit into the > category > of IT pro (sometimes), agree with the comments about changing > attitudes with age tho'. I first started Rush with 2112 at the tender > age of 14/15, moved into Deep Purple, tried Floyd, gave up on Rush > in the late 80's (Domino, Roll The Bones), still listen to Floyd and > early > Rush albums with some degree of regularity, the only music thats ever > stuck with me is Hawkwind, got 'forced' into listening to Levitation > on a regular basis at school (6th form) and picked up albums here > and there as I could, along came Martyn and rekindled my interest > in all things 'Space' in the late 90's. I'd say it's somewhat the opposite for me. I started listening to Hawkwind and Rush around the same time (1980 or so), but over the last few years (especialy since I've been offlist) I've certainly listened to my Rush CD's a lot more than Hawkwind. Guess I need to go do something about that. ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 11 08:12:13 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:12:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead (was Re: OFF: Rush and stuff plus a little Hawk.) In-Reply-To: <86.12d2bdfa.2e4b61cf@aol.com> Message-ID: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 8/11/2004 6:41:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: >> IMO, the weakest albums (though each having a few good tracks) I've >> heard are _Iron Fist_, _Rock'n'Roll_, and _March or Die > > I agree completely, and i'd add "Hammered' to that list as well... Yeah, I haven't heard a lot of good things about _Hammered_, and most of what I've heard suggests _Inferno_ is better. Though, clearly, a few folks here have recently posted the opposite! Just as well, Lemmy screws it up once in a while, I suppose -- helps combat the occasional feeling I get of "Another brilliant Motorhead album, ho hum ..." ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Aug 11 09:45:00 2004 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:45:00 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Mot=F6rhead=20NA=20Tour?= Message-ID: The NA tour starts Sept 10. Thought some would like to know. Bill From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 11 10:10:17 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:10:17 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mot=F6rhead_NA_Tour?= In-Reply-To: <80.12d214f9.2e4b7cdc@aol.com> Message-ID: Stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > The NA tour starts Sept 10. > Thought some would like to know. And they hit Cambridge, UK on 24 Nov. That's where I'll be, I reckon :) Been too long, really .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 11 19:29:14 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:29:14 -0400 Subject: Rush - the people's choice In-Reply-To: <000b01c47f12$80133da0$0f797ad5@andy> Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 15:44, Cyberkrel wrote: > Bizarre - those jobs must be some BORING jobs!!!! Wot, the BOFH boring? I suppose some of those workers could get some giggles on a slow day by reading your private e-mail and faking messages from you... >;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Aug 11 23:03:35 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:03:35 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IFJlOl9Nb3TDtnJoZWFkXyJJbmZlcm5vIg==?= Message-ID: I definitely agree with most of this. I found Hammered to be painfully bland. At first listen, I was afraid Inferno was the same. But from the second time I heard it onward, I've been loving it more and more. I think Snakebite is another modern classic, with Sacrifice and Bastards not far behind. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Pierluigi Fumi >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:24:45 > >RMayo19761 at AOL.COM wrote: > >> i think "Inferno" is brilliant. it's easily their >best since "Bastards" > >Bastards is my favourite album (after the great >albums with Philty & >Fast Eddie, of course), but I think that his >successor is Snake Bite >Love. >Insted, I think Hammered is the worst Motorhead >album ever. I like >only a couple of songs, I jump always over the >others. >Fontunately, Inferno change directions from >Hammered, I think is a >very good album with some great great songs like >"Life's A Bitch" (the >only one they played in wacken last week), "In The >Black", "Killers", >and the last whorehouse Blues. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 12 06:49:54 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > I actually heard the CD for the first time just last > night (thanks for the loan, Arin! Time for me to buy it!), and it's > definitely one of the best pieces of spacerock to come out of the UK in > some time (since the last HW album?!?). Great energy levels, pretty > memorable songwriting, and definitely some great playing that sounds like > a real band playing together ... I managed to hear a few tracks of the good Mr. Jarrett's copy last night, and was of the general opinion that if current HW actually released something that blangoid, everyone would piss their pants. Pretty rockin', it has to be said! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 12 10:11:36 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:11:36 +0100 Subject: Germany again... Message-ID: After Burg Herzberg and all those friendly Germans and Bavarians, we've decided to emulate Kris'n'Dave and take the ferry to travel through Holland/Belgium/Germany for the last third of the month. Does anyone know of any bands playing or festivals in that corner of Europe that I should try to catch? Any tips on towns/places worth visiting grafefully accepted (Dave? Kris?). We're into nice towns, scenery, and of course beer. Also if any of you guys figure we can meet up on my travels then please drop me a line. I'd like to get as far as Bohemia before heading back, though we may not want to do as much driving as that would require. FoFP From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Aug 12 11:08:29 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:08:29 +0200 Subject: Germany again... Message-ID: Mike asked... >After Burg Herzberg and all those friendly Germans and Bavarians, we've >decided to emulate Kris'n'Dave and take the ferry to travel through >Holland/Belgium/Germany for the last third of the month. Does anyone >know of any bands playing or festivals in that corner of Europe that I >should try to catch? I just took a brief look at: http://www.eclipsed.de/tourdaten/tourdaten.html and it doesn't look like much interesting is happening...but I'll keep a lookout. BTW, do you mean end of *August*? If you can get to the area between Ulm and Bodensee (far south in Germany) by next weekend, 20-22.8, there is a small festival from the Faust (Klangbad label) folks, including Circle, Ole Lukkoye, and a freak-electronic band called S/T, among others. www.klangbad.de for details. I *might* make it there. >Any tips on towns/places worth visiting grafefully accepted (Dave? >Kris?). We're into nice towns, scenery, and of course beer. I much prefer the medium-sized cities over the really big ones. Frankfurt and the Ruhr Valley (and along the Rhein from Koeln north) is pretty boringly industrialized (sorry, Bernhard). But farther south on the Rhein is a nice section, where it narrows to almost a canyon, around the town of Lorelei. I went through there on the train (only), and hope to actually stop and visit sometime. Also, I like Muenster, Kassel, and Wuerzburg. Nice "green" areas and some stuff that actually survived the bombing, or else rebuilt in the same style. There's the famous tourist-trap town of Rothenburg ob der Taube that might be a nice stop if you're in the Wuerzburg area, or on your way to either Muenchen or Bohemia. Natuerlich ist die Schweiz doch noch schoener! :) >I'd like to get as far as Bohemia before heading back, though we may >not want to do as much driving as that would require. That part of 'Germany' is really in Czech Rep., yeah? Just so you know. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I'm just back from Budapest and this enormous Sziget festival. My first experience with such a huge (>100,000?) event, with maybe 20 different stages of all shapes and sizes, and massively (over)- commercialized. (Presumably, Roskilde and/or modern-day Glasters are like this?!) Well, ok, I can complain about that, but I won't complain about the quality of the music, 'cause I saw some awesome bands like Korai Orom, Colorstar, Masfel, Amorphis, and this very Ozric-y band TanuTuva which has very little (or none) web presence, from what I can tell so far. I didn't find any CDs of theirs at any vendor, so maybe they don't have any, but I would like to know more about them if anyone can tell me, or can go to this page and read Hungarian. Here, or alternately, here... http://underground.pcdome.hu/cikk.php?id=2168 http://www.underground.pcdome.hu/galeria.php?id=497 From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Aug 12 11:44:24 2004 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:44:24 +0200 Subject: Germany again... Message-ID: Also... there's this other festival I forgot about. It's next weekend (20-22.8) also, in Germany but very close to the Czech border (between Regensburg DE and Plzen CZ). Might be a fun time too...with Liquid Visions, Ole Lukkoye, Orange (who I saw at "Herzberg II" fest...not bad), and Trottel Stereodream Experience (who I saw in Budapest...underwhelmed but ok), et al. Click on the flower that says "Aktivitaeten" to get the band lineup for each day and running order. http://www.freakweeknoend.de/ And Liquid Visions are doing a few other dates around then, including the day before (Thurs. the 19th in Nuernberg) and then the 28th near Berlin, i.e., Ragelin (bei Neuruppin), link below. http://www.black-door-concerts.de/liquid/280804.htm http://www.liquidvisions.de for more details (again click around on the design to find the right link to tour dates). Grakkl (FAA) From sebastian at WELTON.DE Fri Aug 13 05:57:30 2004 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:57:30 -0400 Subject: Germany again... Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:11:36 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >After Burg Herzberg and all those friendly Germans and Bavarians, we've >decided to emulate Kris'n'Dave and take the ferry to travel through >Holland/Belgium/Germany for the last third of the month. Does anyone >know of any bands playing or festivals in that corner of Europe that I >should try to catch? > Have a look at this site: http://www.festivalplaner.de/69.html And the German Yahoo has a few links. Have a good time while you're here, the weather has, until today been good and I reckon when you get here it's going to be good again. The Finkenbach Festival (last weekend) which is Guru Guru's yearly bash, and a very enjoyable occasion, was cancelled due to poor ticket sales. Seb. From zim594j at TNINET.SE Fri Aug 13 05:55:41 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:55:41 +0200 Subject: HW: Oh dear! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Go to http://www.musicstack.com/ and search for Hawkwind. From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Fri Aug 13 15:05:00 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:05:00 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_OFF:_Mot=F6rhead_"Inferno"?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:32 10.08.04 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:30 -0700, Christian > wrote: > > >Just got this the other day, it is quite excellent though I found > >"Hammered" to be a wee bit better... errr... almost... a wee bit > >more "hip" sounding if I dare say.... ! > >Indeed, I've heard "Killers" on the radio (college, natch), and that song >certainly smokes! Yes "Killers" is the best song on the record! "We're Killers!" Chr. NP: TSOL - "Disappear" From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Aug 13 09:09:38 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:09:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: And so the nickname has come to pass... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was looking at the rider for BOC's touring schtick on is management's webpage, and at the bottom: For the signatures, it lists 3OC Music Blue Oyster Cult Funny. Also, if you want a teaser for Martin Popoff's book, go to his webpage and look at the "review" he wrote for Cultosaurus. Interesting history. Q: Has martin birch ever talked about he albums he did with BOC in interviews? Jason From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 14 09:30:39 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:30:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Kozmik Ken Experience, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 14, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from The Kozmik Ken Experience (August 2004), Alchemical Radio (show #66), and Drool Trough (show #14). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Kozmik Ken Experience (August 2004) The Henry Kaiser Band - "Are You Experienced" (from Heart's Desire) Ectogram - "Herald Speke" (from All Behind The Witchtower) The Ramones - "Somebody To Love" (from Acid Eaters) Steepy Rojo - "Orange Days And Purple Nights" (from Far Over And Booby Gravy) More Experience (from Follow Me) Naz Nomad And The Nightmares - "I Can't Stand This Love Goodbye" (from Give Daddy The Knife Cindy) Plan 9 - "Frustration" (from Frustration) Epidaurus - "Tonight" (from ...Endangered) The Electric Prunes - "The Rickenbacker 12 String" (from California) Ren And Stimpy - "Is Anyone Out There?" (from Radio Daze) Acid Mother's Temple - "Bois-tu de la Biere?" (from La Novia) Kaplick - "Conspiracy" Dr. Frond - "Play It Soft" (from Dr. Frond) Alchemical Radio (show #66) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Album - "Despues" Ameba - "Vegetable Man" Arms Of Kismet - "Sail Seven" Basement 3 - "Games" Cafebar 401 - "Senses Working Overtime" Ceramic Hobs - "Safe To Heaven" Dan McClew - "Tenderly" Dead Barons - "Two Peso Whore" Eric Blakely - "Still Life At Full Speed" Fixer - "Two Into One" The Flexible Flyers - "Church Of Dreams" Force Of Evil - "Demonized" Going Some Place - "Evil Man" Greg Segal - "Discharge (edit)" Henry - "That's What Happened" The Insane Picnic - "Military" Jen Gloeckner - "Hazy Sky" Jonah - "Good Enough" Drool Trough (shows #14) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Brian Ritchie - "Oyster Stomp" (from Shakuhachi Club NYC) Book Of Shadows - "Hermetic Science" (from Hanged Man) Eureka S?n - "Cowboy" (from Por Album) Ego Eimi - "There Is Not Anybody To Drink Tea With" (from Transcendental Diseases) Dreamend - "Four Days In May" (from As If By Ghosts...) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment - "Blue Cheer" (from Shockibus Eruptum) Billy Syndrome - "We Will Love Again" (from Beyond) Intra - "T.I. Sky" (from Ear To Mind) Rare Blend - "Z'Hadum" (from Infinity) Desperate Friends - "Family Of Thieves" (from Passion and Pain) The White Liars - "Normal" (from Pharmacia) Pushing Red Buttons - "Tad" (from Foreign Film or Tango Dance?) Death & Taxes - "It Is Now Becoming Fantastic" (from The Alaska Expeditions) Ritual - "Second Thought" (from Nothing Strange) Roz Vitalis - "Play With Everlasting Fire" (from Painssadist) Sasquatch! - "Let It Come Down" (from Groove Came Down The Mountains) Arms Of Kismet - "Beautiful Career" (from Eponymous) Basement 3 - "Ten Fee Thick" (from Fuzzyland) Thebrotherkite - "Death Ray" (from Thebrotherkite) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 14 10:35:12 2004 From: Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM (Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:35:12 EDT Subject: Original SONIC ROCK SOLSTICE 2002 VHS for sale Message-ID: _http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6316216293&ssPageNa me=STRK:MESE:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6316216293&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT) From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Aug 14 18:00:40 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:00:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: (and OT: Monster Magnet) Upcoming shows In-Reply-To: <1092402578.411cbd92d1f6e@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: We are about a month away from two excellent shows at Northern Lights in Clifton Park NY. BOC on the 22nd and Monster Magnet on the 24th of September. These are bookends for my birthday on the 23rd so it is patently obvious that the godz of Rock like me this year. Any upstater's going to either or both shows? Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ We are not going to be afraid to stand up for what we believe in ever again. We are not going to let those who disagree with us shout us down under a banner of false patriotism. -- Howard Dean at the Democratic Convention -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jason M. Scruton Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: And so the nickname has come to pass... I was looking at the rider for BOC's touring schtick on is management's webpage, and at the bottom: For the signatures, it lists 3OC Music Blue Oyster Cult Funny. Also, if you want a teaser for Martin Popoff's book, go to his webpage and look at the "review" he wrote for Cultosaurus. Interesting history. Q: Has martin birch ever talked about he albums he did with BOC in interviews? Jason From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Aug 16 07:20:09 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:20:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: (and OT: Monster Magnet) Upcoming shows Message-ID: >>> mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM 8/14/2004 6:00:40 PM >>> We are about a month away from two excellent shows at Northern Lights in Clifton Park NY. BOC on the 22nd and Monster Magnet on the 24th of September. These are bookends for my birthday on the 23rd so it is patently obvious that the godz of Rock like me this year. Any upstater's going to either or both shows? Heh, you know I'm wresting with this big time. Never seen Monster Magnet, but I somehow think their live show could be disappointing. B?C, I know will be great, and they're playing almost in their backyard. They like the venue, and the venus likes them. I can't see both shows, so which to choose? Probably B?C... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Aug 16 08:36:45 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: (and OT: Monster Magnet) Upcoming shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm planning on MM in Rochester the next night. I've been wanting to see them live since I picked up Spine of God sometime in the mid '90s. Brian Michael Montfort wrote: > BOC on the 22nd and Monster Magnet on the 24th of September. These are > bookends for my birthday on the 23rd so it is patently obvious that > the godz > of Rock like me this year. > > Any upstater's going to either or both shows? From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 10:57:59 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:57:59 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <200408021516.i72FGwu12541@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com>; from mbraun@URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM on Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 10:16:58AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 10:16:58AM -0500, Matthew Braun wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > >On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> David Kuznick wrote: > >> > I'm back. :-) > >> > Been offlist for about 8 years I think... How is everyone? :-) > >> Howdy David :) I too just rejoined a couple of weeks ago after ... > >> well, a bunch of years off-list, anyway! > > > >Me three! > Well it's about damn time you got back here. My shift ended over a year ago, > and my back is killing me. Here, I think this torch is yours. Hey - shouldn't you be doing ILTP transcribing, instead of yacking at me? Oh wait... that ended years ago, didn't it? > >Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? > Naw, that can't be right. That would mean that some of us would be > approaching...oh, crap. Yeah... it ain't the big 3-0, dude. ;-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 11:04:18 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:04:18 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <410E5F20.9080308@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 04:34:56PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 04:34:56PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Matthew Braun wrote: > > Stephen Swann writes: > >>Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? > > > > Naw, that can't be right. That would mean that some of us would be > > approaching...oh, crap. > > Just think -- it's now been just over 10 years since _Cult Classic_ was > released, which is the same amount of time (more or less) as between the > first BOC album and _Extraterrestrial Live_ .... > > Well now, that's a grim though ;) Probably the grimmest thought that I've had recently was the realization that most of the music that I will ever really love has already been released. That's partly due to the fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting more and more ossified. ;-) Coolest thing I've heard recently: Shomu Yamashta's East Wind "Freedom is Frightening". Kind of early 70's heavy synthesizery progressive jazz, or maybe jazz-rock fusion. Sounds almost like something John Lord might have done as a solo project. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Aug 16 11:25:44 2004 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:25:44 -0400 Subject: Hi again Message-ID: > Stephen Swann wrote: > > Probably the grimmest thought that I've had recently was the > realization that most of the music that I will ever really > love has already been released. That's partly due to the > fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the > dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to > the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting > more and more ossified. ;-) Sirius. And Rhapsody. And, dare I say it, New Napster. They've saved what's left of my brain, anyway. > Coolest thing I've heard recently: Shomu Yamashta's East > Wind "Freedom is Frightening". Kind of early 70's heavy > synthesizery progressive jazz, or maybe jazz-rock fusion. > Sounds almost like something John Lord might have done as > a solo project. *makes note* Have you heard of Tomoyasu Hotei? -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Aug 16 11:32:59 2004 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:32:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040816110418.B2316@cugc.org> Message-ID: Although the book cover is a little big....'unappealing,' you can order the new BOC book on martinpopoff.com, by clicking on the BOC book link in the banner and then paying him 22 bucks. Neatly, he will sign it! speaking about the oyster-output, that they wanted a best of to cover Haven forbid, curse, and the live one is a bit silly, or might it be the result of ending their contract? Unfortunately, although I know BOC's coming to the capital district Im not exactly enthusiastic anymore about seeing them. Sad. Jason From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 11:43:22 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: Assault and Battery Live In-Reply-To: ; from cosmicdolphin@COMCAST.NET on Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:34:43PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:34:43PM -0500, Rich wrote: > The sound quality on the Griffin records USA release of Live Chronicles was > far better than the original CD, and it had the Moorcock spoken word tracks > restored to the LP as it should have originally been, plus a couple more > tracks like 'Assault and Battery' which originally came as b sides on single > releases/bonus tracks on the 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' Flicknife CD. > > Also the cover artwork is great :-) I've got all 3 of the CD releases of Luive Chronicles. 1. Original 1-disk Castle release CCS CD 321 3. Griffin 2-CD release w/Moorcock tracks 3. Castle 2-CD set release CCS CD 829 #1 sounds very clear, but slightly thin/tinny/overly bright, especially the synth washes. I suspect it was created from the master tapes meant to cut LPs with. #2 is much better balanced, at the expense of not sounding as clear. #3 is basically #1 rebalanced to reign in the tinnyness with serious amounts of bass and drum kick added. Which one you will prefer the sound of is stricly a matter of taste. I personally #3. Actually, I personally prefer the sound of the LP, but I don't even have my turntable hooked up anymore. so that's not an option. :) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 11:50:30 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:50:30 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040816152544.NKJH8009.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>; from oystrgal@BELLSOUTH.NET on Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 11:25:44AM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 11:25:44AM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > > Stephen Swann wrote: > > fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the > > dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to > > the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting > > more and more ossified. ;-) > > Sirius. And Rhapsody. And, dare I say it, New Napster. They've > saved what's left of my brain, anyway. I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that could turn out to be just as crappy and monopolized (i.e. my grouse with Clear Channel could just as easily turn out to be my grouse with XM?). Do you have any personal experience of it? Rhapsody? > > Coolest thing I've heard recently: Shomu Yamashta's East > > Wind "Freedom is Frightening". Kind of early 70's heavy > > synthesizery progressive jazz, or maybe jazz-rock fusion. > > Sounds almost like something John Lord might have done as > > a solo project. > > *makes note* > > Have you heard of Tomoyasu Hotei? Excuse you! No, I haven't. What should I know about him/her? -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 12:08:35 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:08:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Please help Message-ID: Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for years. Help! What I know about it for sure: 1. It's late 80's vintage Hawkwind (c.Palace Springs) 2. It has footage of the band warming up, playing Needle Gun 3. It has an interview with at least Brock and Davey 4. It features lots of animated images of alien planetscapes and solar vistas 5. It features maybe 20 or so early HW album covers flying past on the screen while the music is playing 6. It claims to have been shot at the Cleveland Phantasy Theater What is this video???? I will pay any reasonable price for a copy in any format. I will even discuss an unreasonable price, for an original in good condition! :) I want this video! Help! -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Aug 16 12:38:41 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:38:41 -0400 Subject: Almighty In-Reply-To: <411495DB.9010603@wolfpack.nl>; from arjanh@WOLFPACK.NL on Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:42:03AM +0200 Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:42:03AM +0200, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > That's probably why I love The Almighty. Four different styles of hard > rock/heavy metal on four CDs.... I just recently heard something by them, and was impressed enough to put them on my "must investigate" list... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 16 12:52:08 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:52:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Please help Message-ID: Has the office in the warm up and an american gig, I have it think I got it from HW merchandise a few years ago. Have no means of copying it though. Eddie. >From: Stephen Swann >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Please help >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:08:35 -0400 > >Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for >years. Help! > >What I know about it for sure: > 1. It's late 80's vintage Hawkwind (c.Palace Springs) > 2. It has footage of the band warming up, playing Needle >Gun > 3. It has an interview with at least Brock and Davey > 4. It features lots of animated images of alien >planetscapes and solar vistas > 5. It features maybe 20 or so early HW album covers flying >past on the screen while the music is playing > 6. It claims to have been shot at the Cleveland Phantasy >Theater > >What is this video???? > >I will pay any reasonable price for a copy in any format. > >I will even discuss an unreasonable price, for an original >in good condition! :) > >I want this video! > >Help! > >-- >Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make >swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://www.ejdvillas.com From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Aug 16 14:04:50 2004 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:04:50 -0400 Subject: Hi again Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 11:25:44AM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > > > Stephen Swann wrote: > > > fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the > > > dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to > > > the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting > > > more and more ossified. ;-) > > > > Sirius. And Rhapsody. And, dare I say it, New Napster. They've > > saved what's left of my brain, anyway. > > I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm > leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that > could turn out to be just as crappy and monopolized (i.e. my > grouse with Clear Channel could just as easily turn out to > be my grouse with XM?). Do you have any personal experience > of it? Better than the stations around here (which isn't hard to do), and some of the specialty stations play things you don't hear on the radio. > Rhapsody? Real Networks version of the New Napster. Better interface and music selection AFAIAC. > > Have you heard of Tomoyasu Hotei? > > Excuse you! Dank oo. *sniffles* > No, I haven't. What should I know about him/her? I think he would be a harder version of Stomu Yamashta, based on your description. (I can't find any samples of Yamashta except the "neat swooshy sounds" from his older albums.) Hotei contributed to the soundtrack of Kill Bill I. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Aug 16 14:34:43 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:34:43 +0100 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040816110418.B2316@cugc.org> Message-ID: You've touched one of my most strongly held views here. It's very very easy to lose interest in anything new and just listen to all your old CDs, and it gets easier as you get older. I don't want to be the embarrassing dad trying to be hip, but I'd hate to think I'd just given up. You have to look around, but there's a lot of new interesting stuff out there. I don't know much about the US scene, though I like the Von Bondies album and I think both Strokes albums are excellent. In the UK my recent favourites are the Razorlight and Libertines albums, Slipknot's latest album, the two Cooper Temple Clause albums and on a lighter note the Zutons. Go back a couple of years and you have Air, Feeder, Ash and so on. I've been listening to Inferno, but sorry guys it sounds just like Motorhead always did. Lemmy needs some lessons from Dave Brock on how to move on. There are also hundreds of old albums that I never got around to buying. I've just been listening to the Zappa albums Burny Weeny Sandwich and Weasels Ripped My Flesh (both rubbish, but you can't win them all). I've also got heavily into Julian Cope. Very Syd Barrett influenced but, dare I say it, even better. Actually if you risk embarrassing the kids and start asking their friends about music they seem to be remarkably ill informed. Most of them seem to have never heard of the bands mentioned above, or indeed precious little outside the top 40. Mind you I suppose it was always this way. John Rennie -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephen Swann Sent: 16 August 2004 16:04 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hi again On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 04:34:56PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Matthew Braun wrote: > > Stephen Swann writes: > >>Sheesh, has this list really been around for 14 years? > > > > Naw, that can't be right. That would mean that some of us would be > > approaching...oh, crap. > > Just think -- it's now been just over 10 years since _Cult Classic_ was > released, which is the same amount of time (more or less) as between the > first BOC album and _Extraterrestrial Live_ .... > > Well now, that's a grim though ;) Probably the grimmest thought that I've had recently was the realization that most of the music that I will ever really love has already been released. That's partly due to the fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting more and more ossified. ;-) Coolest thing I've heard recently: Shomu Yamashta's East Wind "Freedom is Frightening". Kind of early 70's heavy synthesizery progressive jazz, or maybe jazz-rock fusion. Sounds almost like something John Lord might have done as a solo project. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Aug 16 15:47:27 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:47:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: (and OT: Monster Magnet) Upcoming shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 07:20, Ted Jackson wrote: > Heh, you know I'm wresting with this big time. Never seen Monster Magnet, > but I somehow think their live show could be disappointing. B?C, I know will > be great, and they're playing almost in their backyard. They like the venue, and > the venus likes them. I can't see both shows, so which to choose? Probably > B?C... If you can pick only one out of the two to attend and you haven't seen Monster Magnet yet, I'd say to go see them instead of B?C. Having seen both bands live exactly once, I'd have to say that Monster Magnet put on the better show by far. I know, that's not exactly a huge sample size, and it was back circa the _Powertrip_ album when I saw them, before the lineup change, but Dave Wyndorf *is* Dave Wyndorf and he knows how to please the punters. Besides, won't B?C just be playing the same setlist the same old way as the last time you saw them? You've already been to that show. >;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 16 16:08:22 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:08:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gigs Message-ID: Two Litmus gigs for your diaries: August 28th: The Cartoon, Croydon (support to Motley Crued) http://www.thecartoon.co.uk September 3rd: The Underworld, Camden (Support to Arthur Brown) http://www.theunderworldcamden.co.uk From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Aug 16 23:58:47 2004 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:58:47 -0400 Subject: Hi again (XM radio) In-Reply-To: <20040816115030.D2316@cugc.org> Message-ID: I freaking Love my XM radio. Michael Corwyn Montfort, esq. http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the website _________________________ We are not going to be afraid to stand up for what we believe in ever again. We are not going to let those who disagree with us shout us down under a banner of false patriotism. -- Howard Dean at the Democratic Convention -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephen Swann Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:51 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hi again I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that could turn out to be just as crappy and monopolized (i.e. my grouse with Clear Channel could just as easily turn out to be my grouse with XM?). Do you have any personal experience of it? From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Aug 17 01:23:31 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:23:31 +0200 Subject: Please help Message-ID: Hello Stephen, I have it.Can make you a copy this weekend in vhs-pal,but if you can wait I can transfer it to dvd. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Swann" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: HW: Please help > Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for > years. Help! > > What I know about it for sure: > 1. It's late 80's vintage Hawkwind (c.Palace Springs) > 2. It has footage of the band warming up, playing Needle > Gun > 3. It has an interview with at least Brock and Davey > 4. It features lots of animated images of alien > planetscapes and solar vistas > 5. It features maybe 20 or so early HW album covers flying > past on the screen while the music is playing > 6. It claims to have been shot at the Cleveland Phantasy > Theater > > What is this video???? > > I will pay any reasonable price for a copy in any format. > > I will even discuss an unreasonable price, for an original > in good condition! :) > > I want this video! > > Help! > > -- > Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make > swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Aug 17 05:15:35 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:15:35 +0200 Subject: BOC- MM Message-ID: Hej, If you have to choose between BOC and Monster Magnet and you have not seen Monster Magnet, go see them. They are rocking hard and psychedelic these days! A good mix of the old and the new and the new members are great! I saw 3 shows this year. All excellent. scott ObCD- Ozric Tentacles- Chicago 7/13/04 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 17 05:38:24 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:38:24 +0100 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <003101c483bf$b36772f0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: HawkFan wrote: > You have to look around, but there's a lot of new interesting stuff out > there. I don't know much about the US scene, though I like the Von Bondies > album and I think both Strokes albums are excellent. In the UK my recent > favourites are the Razorlight and Libertines albums, Slipknot's latest > album, the two Cooper Temple Clause albums and on a lighter note the Zutons. > Go back a couple of years and you have Air, Feeder, Ash and so on. I've been > listening to Inferno, but sorry guys it sounds just like Motorhead always > did. Lemmy needs some lessons from Dave Brock on how to move on. Eeeek! I can't say I think Brock's efforts to "move on" have been very successful. I mean: _Spacebrock_ and endless retreads that don't live up to the originals. Moving on is great, if the music is great. And if Motorhead still sound like, well, Motorhead, that's OK as long as it sounds good. I don't buy into the "evolution is always better" thing; I think "better is always better" (though, obviously, better is subjective :) Very few artists seem to "move on" very successfully. The Beatles, I suppose .... For my part, the current UK scene isn't doing much for me, though it's always possible that there's something amazing happening in some corner that I've not heard of. For me it just sounds like a yet another load of vaguely depressed pop-rock acts, much as have dominated the UK rock seen since the demise of overblown heavy rock (long may it reign ;) I pray to every god that I _am_ missing something here. But hey -- this may just be cultural conditioning, since I hear a lot of things I like coming out of the US scene, more sorta improvisational and happening in my book (but that's what I grew up on). > There are also hundreds of old albums that I never got around to buying. I have been expanding through back catalogs myself. I figure any music I haven't heard is "new" and anything I like is "good" :) And my wife is a raging Latin music fan, so I've been making some interesting discoveres down that way. And I got into some cool Americana and jamgrass stuff through seeing a wide range of different artists at a couple of Telluride bluegrass festivals, and keeping an eye on up'n'coming artists playing Bonnaroo proves interesting. Honestly, giving the zillions of years that people have been making and enjoying music, what are the real chances that everything cool a) has already been done, and b) happened since 1960 ;) Pretty low, I reckon. So I reckon I've got plenty of awesome music yet to hear :) > Actually if you risk embarrassing the kids and start asking their friends > about music they seem to be remarkably ill informed. Most of them seem to > have never heard of the bands mentioned above, or indeed precious little > outside the top 40. Mind you I suppose it was always this way. Yup. I may have been 16 twice over now ;) but I remember the first time ;) and darned if most of the kids I knew did'nt know a damn about anything that wasn't on MTV (though that was when MTV still played music ;) 'Course, the few of us were interested didn't know much back then either -- this was before the internet put the whole world of music at your fingertips -- but we did go forth and learn ..... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 17 06:33:39 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:33:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Please help In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for > years. Help! > > What I know about it for sure: > 1. It's late 80's vintage Hawkwind (c.Palace Springs) > 2. It has footage of the band warming up, playing Needle > Gun > 3. It has an interview with at least Brock and Davey > 4. It features lots of animated images of alien > planetscapes and solar vistas > 5. It features maybe 20 or so early HW album covers flying > past on the screen while the music is playing > 6. It claims to have been shot at the Cleveland Phantasy > Theater > > What is this video???? I think it's this one: 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 Assault & Battery The Golden Void Treadmill Interview (Brock & Bainbridge) Wind of Change Time We Left Heads Time We Left Needle Gun The Golden Void Ejection Brainstorm Your Secret's Safe With Me Brainstorm Wings Out of The Shadows Snake Dance Night of the Hawk Eons TV Suicide Blue Shift Back in the Box Hassan I Sabha Images Reefer Madness I remember my shock when I saw a cover I didn't have: Rock Legends cover of the first album. I have it and can probably do a copy to VHS or DVD if it's confirmed that it's no longer available from Hawkwind (which is where I got mine). FoFP From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Aug 17 07:51:14 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:51:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Please help Message-ID: I have a much-copied version of this video but would dearly like to have a more pristinte copy on dvd... would it be possible to convince you of such a thing? I have a fair amount to trade if need be.... John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > Stephen Swann writes: > > > Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for > > years. Help! > > > > What I know about it for sure: > > 1. It's late 80's vintage Hawkwind (c.Palace Springs) > > 2. It has footage of the band warming up, playing Needle > > Gun > > 3. It has an interview with at least Brock and Davey > > 4. It features lots of animated images of alien > > planetscapes and solar vistas > > 5. It features maybe 20 or so early HW album covers flying > > past on the screen while the music is playing > > 6. It claims to have been shot at the Cleveland Phantasy > > Theater > > > > What is this video???? > > I think it's this one: > > 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 > Assault & Battery > The Golden Void > Treadmill > Interview (Brock & Bainbridge) > Wind of Change > Time We Left > Heads > Time We Left > Needle Gun > The Golden Void > Ejection > Brainstorm > Your Secret's Safe With Me > Brainstorm > Wings > Out of The Shadows > Snake Dance > Night of the Hawk > Eons > TV Suicide > Blue Shift > Back in the Box > Hassan I Sabha > Images > Reefer Madness > > I remember my shock when I saw a cover I didn't have: Rock Legends cover > of the first album. > > I have it and can probably do a copy to VHS or DVD if it's confirmed > that it's no longer available from Hawkwind (which is where I got mine). > > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 17 10:28:45 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:28:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Please help In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > > 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 > I have a much-copied version of this video but would dearly like to > have a more pristinte copy on dvd... would it be possible to convince > you of such a thing? I have a fair amount to trade if need be.... > John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com Well, Hawkwind have banned trading, but if it can be confirmed that they definitely no longer sell the vide then perhaps something can be sorted. I do have the Panasonic DMRE100 HDD/DVD recorder (as does Dave apparently) but haven't quite workd out all the wrinkles about writing to DVD. From a quick perusal of the manual I should be able to do an S-video transfer of the VHS tape onto the hard disk. Then it would appear that I can write it to DVD in PAL at least, and there's the implication that NTSC may be possible (some translating from the Japanese translation still to be accomplished). I have succeeded in writing films to DVD. I have not succeeded in writing films with chapters or whatever, and so you may not be able to jump to tracks unless I can work out how to do that. It won't be imminent though, I'm about to take some leave. Meanwhile perhaps someone could check with Hawkwind as to whether they're still shipping that video and we can resume discussions in September. Dave did say that Hawkwind would like to look again at getting some of his older video stuff out on DVD but I understand that he needs an archivist to work out what's on what from when by whom. Obviously I wouldn't want to preempt that by moving official releases to DVD myself. Note also that my trades for the Bikefest video, which were pre-ban, are still incomplete, so I have to be regarded as working not in realtime but Hughes-Time. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 17 11:01:04 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:01:04 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: I thught we'd have had an email about this. Can I order one yet? FoFP From christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO Tue Aug 17 19:52:07 2004 From: christian.eric_mumford at CHELLO.NO (Christian) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:52:07 -0700 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <4121D210.8060404@carlaz.com> Message-ID: At 10:38 17.08.04 +0100, you wrote: >HawkFan wrote: >>You have to look around, but there's a lot of new interesting stuff out >>there. I don't know much about the US scene, though I like the Von Bondies >>album and I think both Strokes albums are excellent. In the UK my recent >>favourites are the Razorlight and Libertines albums, Slipknot's latest >>album, the two Cooper Temple Clause albums and on a lighter note the Zutons. >>Go back a couple of years and you have Air, Feeder, Ash and so on. I've been >>listening to Inferno, but sorry guys it sounds just like Motorhead always >>did. Lemmy needs some lessons from Dave Brock on how to move on. > >Eeeek! I can't say I think Brock's efforts to "move on" have been very >successful. I mean: _Spacebrock_ and endless retreads that don't live >up to the originals. > >Moving on is great, if the music is great. And if Motorhead still sound >like, well, Motorhead, that's OK as long as it sounds good. I don't buy >into the "evolution is always better" thing; I think "better is always >better" (though, obviously, better is subjective :) Very few artists >seem to "move on" very successfully. The Beatles, I suppose .... > >For my part, the current UK scene isn't doing much for me, though it's >always possible that there's something amazing happening in some corner >that I've not heard of. For me it just sounds like a yet another load >of vaguely depressed pop-rock acts, much as have dominated the UK rock >seen since the demise of overblown heavy rock (long may it reign ;) I >pray to every god that I _am_ missing something here. But hey -- this >may just be cultural conditioning, since I hear a lot of things I like >coming out of the US scene, more sorta improvisational and happening in >my book (but that's what I grew up on). > >>There are also hundreds of old albums that I never got around to buying. > >I have been expanding through back catalogs myself. I figure any music >I haven't heard is "new" and anything I like is "good" :) And my wife >is a raging Latin music fan, so I've been making some interesting >discoveres down that way. And I got into some cool Americana and >jamgrass stuff through seeing a wide range of different artists at a >couple of Telluride bluegrass festivals, and keeping an eye on >up'n'coming artists playing Bonnaroo proves interesting. > >Honestly, giving the zillions of years that people have been making and >enjoying music, what are the real chances that everything cool a) has >already been done, and b) happened since 1960 ;) Pretty low, I reckon. > So I reckon I've got plenty of awesome music yet to hear :) > >>Actually if you risk embarrassing the kids and start asking their friends >>about music they seem to be remarkably ill informed. Most of them seem to >>have never heard of the bands mentioned above, or indeed precious little >>outside the top 40. Mind you I suppose it was always this way. > >Yup. I may have been 16 twice over now ;) but I remember the first time >;) and darned if most of the kids I knew did'nt know a damn about >anything that wasn't on MTV (though that was when MTV still played music >;) 'Course, the few of us were interested didn't know much back then >either -- this was before the internet put the whole world of music at >your fingertips -- but we did go forth and learn ..... :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >http://www.carlaz.com/ Major Major Major! Lemmy is the man.... Chr. Elkhund m/f From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 17 12:19:46 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:19:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040816115030.D2316@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 11:50, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 11:25:44AM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > > > Stephen Swann wrote: > > > fact that I seldom get to hear cool new music (given the > > > dire state of modern commercial radio), and partly due to > > > the fact that my musical tastes are almost certainly getting > > > more and more ossified. ;-) The PBS Frontline documentary "The Way the Music Died" pretty much confirmed my thinking that if you are looking to radio to introduce you to novel or interesting music then you are on a hiding to nothing. (See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/ and watch the show.) Even aside from the corporate commercial concerns, there's just too many new releases and too few hours in which to air it. That's just for official releases. There's so much more unofficial (yet legitimate) output from which to choose. Even just considering the bands that allow taping and trading leads to a frightening mountain of material. So, I find myself with the opposite problem to you: too much interesting material to explore and not enough time to do it. > > Sirius. And Rhapsody. And, dare I say it, New Napster. They've > > saved what's left of my brain, anyway. > > I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm > leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that > could turn out to be just as crappy and monopolized (i.e. my > grouse with Clear Channel could just as easily turn out to > be my grouse with XM?). Do you have any personal experience > of it? I don't have any personal experience with these, but I keep coming across people all the time who became total converts after renting cars with XM or Sirius in them. (I don't know which one: the one that is commercial free seems to be the most popular in my experience.) It seems to be largely a factor of the increased choice and themed channels that attracts most people I hear sing its praises. But, I've also heard plenty of people say that a well-stocked CD changer is a much better alternative for long drives. :-) Good music is unlikely to land on your doorstep (e.g., via radio or TV); you'll have to seek it out. Cheers, Paul. PS: Will the guy who said "Burnt Weeny Sandwich" is rubbish please pass along some of the stuff he's smoking! >;-) -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 17 12:38:26 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:38:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <1092759585.84460.33.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > The PBS Frontline documentary "The Way the Music Died" pretty much > confirmed my thinking that if you are looking to radio to introduce you > to novel or interesting music then you are on a hiding to nothing. Man, I gave up on radio when I was a teen; actually, from basically the first moment that I took an interest in contemporary "pop/rock/whatever" I realized that nobody was playing anything I liked on the radio. Some college stations in the Boston area played some interesting stuff, but by then I was already dead set against radio and never really bothered to listen. I can't actually remember the last time I _owned_ a radio (don't have one now). I suppose some of the Walkmans I used to have probably had one .... Oh, when I last lived in the States, I had a car, and _that_ had a radio in it, I guess! So about four years :) I pick up new music by osmosis, I guess :) Quite a lot from this list, back in the day (like Hawkwind, for example :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 17 16:19:44 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:19:44 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > I thught we'd have had an email about this. Can I order one yet? > > FoFP From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Aug 17 16:51:46 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:51:46 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: does anyone know yet what record label is going release the single/album? ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > I thught we'd have had an email about this. Can I order one yet? > > FoFP > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 17 18:38:58 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:38:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:38:26 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >Man, I gave up on radio when I was a teen; actually, from basically the >first moment that I took an interest in contemporary "pop/rock/whatever" >I realized that nobody was playing anything I liked on the radio. Some >college stations in the Boston area played some interesting stuff, but >by then I was already dead set against radio and never really bothered >to listen... > >I pick up new music by osmosis, I guess :) Quite a lot from this list, >back in the day (like Hawkwind, for example :) This would seem like a good time to credit college radio for exposing me to Hawkwind ("Psychedelic Warlords", WJHU [RIP] Baltimore, twenty[!] years ago next month!) in the first place. I would contend that if you live in an area with decent college stations (definitely not the case in most of the USA, sadly), you're doing yourself a major disservice by not tuning in occasionally. But then again, I'm fortunate enough to live in an area with several good-to-excellent college stations (KUSF in San Francisco, KALX in Berkeley, and KFJC on the peninsula ... Stanford's KZSU is pretty good, too). And heck, since it's on Sub Pop, probably every college radio station in the USA has a copy of the new Comets On Fire album, so there's a fine piece of space/psych/blanga-rock that you can call 'em up and request. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 17 21:18:50 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Based on Doug's recommendation, I have to get this. But it was cinched when I read this one-star "review" on amazon.com (keeping in mind that 'Blue Cathedral' is actually the album title): "Sometimes I pick up an album so wretched, so awful, so utterly irredeemable that I'm compelled to review it, lest other's make the same mistake I did. Blue Cathedral is easily the worst band I've heard since The Darkness. Not that those two bands have anything in common, but I'm so completely offended to have either band in my iPod that I want to magnetize the harddrive and scour my eardrums with Ajax. I got this album based on a foolishly glowing review from Pitchfork. Their review compared Blue Cathedral to Hendrix or Zeppelin, but a more honest comparison would have been Cream or Deep Purple. This is flat out 70s stoner rock. Long winded solos, ham-handed drug fills, and instrumentals that stretch 7, 9, 10, 14 minutes long, until you want to drive red-hot knitting needles into your alimentary canals, forever protecting yourself from the sonic blight of Blue Cathedral." Can't wait to hear those drug fills. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:39 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Hi again This would seem like a good time to credit college radio for exposing me to Hawkwind ("Psychedelic Warlords", WJHU [RIP] Baltimore, twenty[!] years ago next month!) in the first place. I would contend that if you live in an area with decent college stations (definitely not the case in most of the USA, sadly), you're doing yourself a major disservice by not tuning in occasionally. But then again, I'm fortunate enough to live in an area with several good-to-excellent college stations (KUSF in San Francisco, KALX in Berkeley, and KFJC on the peninsula ... Stanford's KZSU is pretty good, too). And heck, since it's on Sub Pop, probably every college radio station in the USA has a copy of the new Comets On Fire album, so there's a fine piece of space/psych/blanga-rock that you can call 'em up and request. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Aug 17 22:24:56 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:24:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <41223482.90404@carlaz.com>; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:38:26PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:38:26PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Man, I gave up on radio when I was a teen; actually, from basically the > first moment that I took an interest in contemporary "pop/rock/whatever" > I realized that nobody was playing anything I liked on the radio. Some See, the NY/NJ metro area is the first place I've ever lived where radio really, truly just sucks ass. Even in North Carolina, where commercial radio is still stuck on Tom Petty and the Eagles, there were still college stations. Here, I can get one decent college station, that has a low output broadcast, and comes in poorly. > I pick up new music by osmosis, I guess :) Quite a lot from this list, > back in the day (like Hawkwind, for example :) I haven't been as engaged in chat groups and mailing lists as I used to (well, I am, but not music related ones recently). And no new musical wave has come along lately to wash away the crap currently on the radio. For a while I thought the "return to roots rock" movement of the Strokes and Jet would do it, but they haven't ignited a revolution yet. And I'm also not convinced that going backwards is the right answer to the problem. I'm sure that somebody somewhere is recording something that I would like. The problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once awesome) MTv2 went pop-commercial...? -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Aug 17 22:30:51 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:30:51 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040816180450.SEIJ8009.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>; from oystrgal@BELLSOUTH.NET on Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:04:50PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:04:50PM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > > I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm > > leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that > > Better than the stations around here (which isn't hard to do), > and some of the specialty stations play things you don't hear > on the radio. Not even in Raleigh? Jean, the things you tell me. Actually, there was on really awesome college station there that did play a lot of interesting heavy rock. They introduced me to Kerbdog, a band who despite only putting out 2 albums, are one of my favorite bands, EVAR... > > Rhapsody? > > Real Networks version of the New Napster. Better interface and > music selection AFAIAC. Hmmm. Real? Is it in Real format? > I think he would be a harder version of Stomu Yamashta, based on > your description. (I can't find any samples of Yamashta except the > "neat swooshy sounds" from his older albums.) Hotei contributed to > the soundtrack of Kill Bill I. Cool. Will investigate. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Aug 17 22:39:23 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:39:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <1092759585.84460.33.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>; from paul@GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU on Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 12:19:46PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 12:19:46PM -0400, Paul Mather wrote: > > The PBS Frontline documentary "The Way the Music Died" pretty much > confirmed my thinking that if you are looking to radio to introduce you > to novel or interesting music then you are on a hiding to nothing. > (See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/ and watch the > show.) http://dir.salon.com/topics/clear_channel/ I'm not so delusional as to think that commercial radio was ever quite the thing, but at least the old AOR (album oriented radio) format that I grew up with certainly didn't suck nearly so much as what we have now. And DJs used to have a large amount of autonomy. And personalities, too. ;-) > I don't have any personal experience with these, but I keep coming > across people all the time who became total converts after renting cars > with XM or Sirius in them. (I don't know which one: the one that is > commercial free seems to be the most popular in my experience.) It > seems to be largely a factor of the increased choice and themed channels > that attracts most people I hear sing its praises. Also, unlike Clear Channel, I believe that those satellite services use enthusiasts of the various types of music that they broadcast to do the programming for those channels. Clear Channekl basically has about 4 people who program all types of formats that they broadcast. So the guy who does jazz and country also does alternative and adult contemporary. Think he's a big alternative fan? Or that he even likes music, for that matter? > Good music is unlikely to land on your doorstep (e.g., via radio or TV); > you'll have to seek it out. I know, I'm just hard pressed to make the time to do it like I used to, and the channels of information that I used to use have either dried up, or take a lot of time and effort to pursue. Yes I'm being a big whiner, instead of just knuckling down and putting in the effort like I used to. :-P -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 17 23:20:53 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:20:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040817222456.A24559@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > The > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once > Come on you know Napster never promoted any new music. It was all about getting stuff you already knew was good for free! ;-) From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Aug 17 23:22:20 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:22:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Please help In-Reply-To: ; from eddiejobson@HOTMAIL.COM on Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:52:08PM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:52:08PM +0000, eddie jobson wrote: > Has the office in the warm up and an american gig, I have it think I got it > from HW merchandise a few years ago. Have no means of copying it though. Make me an unreasonable and gouging offer for the original. Is it in good/playable condition? I'm totally sincere in this - that vid is the Hawkwind item that I want most in the world. If I can't buy an original, I will make whatever best effort I can to get a decent copy. But I would really like a well-preserved original. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Aug 17 23:26:16 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:26:16 -0400 Subject: Please help In-Reply-To: <001801c4841a$55d14250$0752a551@filipod5g2xcyd>; from Filip.Vanhuyse@PANDORA.BE on Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 07:23:31AM +0200 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 07:23:31AM +0200, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Hello Stephen, > > I have it.Can make you a copy this weekend in vhs-pal,but if you can wait I > can transfer it to dvd. I can wait a while - heck, I've been looking for it on and off for years. :-) The reason I'm seriously turning up the heat on my search now, is because I thought recently that leaving those vids aging away in tape format is steadily reducing my chances of _ever_ getting a good copy... Let me know, willya? Thanks! -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Aug 17 23:42:27 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:42:27 -0500 Subject: Off: Now paging Bernhard Message-ID: Mr. Bernhard P.-- I've misplaced your email address! If you could please get in touch.... John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Aug 18 02:40:55 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:10:55 +0930 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: stealing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Bouchard" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Hi again > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > The > > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its > > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once > > > > Come on you know Napster never promoted any new music. It was all about > getting stuff you already knew was good for free! ;-) > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 18 04:24:49 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi In-Reply-To: <000b01c4849c$02c16590$5f9d6d51@IRONDREAM> Message-ID: colm mcwilliams wrote: > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the single/album? Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not releasing directly to iTMS? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 18 09:10:30 2004 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:10:30 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <200408180900.i7I6f0IE001743@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >>>>> The >>>>> problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its >>>>> clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once >>>>> >>>> >>>> Come on you know Napster never promoted any new music. It was all about >>>> getting stuff you already knew was good for free! ;-) Yeah, like BOC :-) But, it's STILL all Steve Swann's fault - and good to hear from him (and Carl...and Jean...and...) again. John From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Aug 18 12:41:39 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:41:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: Comets on Fire / Blue Cathedral - cool album. Just as sloppily energetic as their earlier stuff but with more obvious blanga riffs this time around, as well as a few structured bits to grab hold of. Best thing is still when they all go berserk and the sound effects just fry your mind! Makes Monster Magnet sound mainstream, so you've been warned. Stephan >> And heck, since it's on Sub Pop, probably every college radio station >> in the USA has a copy of the new Comets On Fire album, so there's a >> fine piece of space/psych/blanga-rock that you can call 'em up and >> request. > >Based on Doug's recommendation, I have to get this. But it was cinched when >I read this one-star "review" on amazon.com (keeping in mind that 'Blue >Cathedral' is actually the album title): >"Sometimes I pick up an album so wretched, so awful, so utterly >irredeemable..." From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 18 12:43:33 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:43:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040817222456.A24559@cugc.org> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:38:26PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>Man, I gave up on radio when I was a teen; actually, from basically the >>first moment that I took an interest in contemporary "pop/rock/whatever" >>I realized that nobody was playing anything I liked on the radio. Some > > See, the NY/NJ metro area is the first place I've ever lived > where radio really, truly just sucks ass. Yeah, that's where I grew up, and yeah, it sucked giant flaming pox-ridden asses :) (Well, when I was in high school, there was a classic rock station that played a "psychedelic six-pack" special every so often, and though in reality it wasn't that adventurous, it sounded pretty far out to my then-virgin ears. That was about it, though!) > Even in North > Carolina, where commercial radio is still stuck on Tom Petty > and the Eagles, There are far _worse_ things ;) > I haven't been as engaged in chat groups and mailing lists > as I used to (well, I am, but not music related ones > recently). Likewise. Though I seem to hear about enough interesting new things that I still can't anything like afford them all (though this is due more to budget reduction than music explosion ;) > For a while I > thought the "return to roots rock" movement of the Strokes > and Jet would do it, but they haven't ignited a revolution > yet. And I'm also not convinced that going backwards is the > right answer to the problem. Yeah, as far as the Strokes, it's like: I've heard this before. I'm all for rocking out like they used to rock out, but maybe not _quite_ so clonified .... > I'm sure that somebody > somewhere is recording something that I would like. The > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once > awesome) MTv2 went pop-commercial...? They need to let you tape their gigs, get a fan buzz going (by actually being good), and the you score the FLAC files via bittorrent :) After a while, you've heard such amazing stuff that you say "Goddam! I'm gonna buy their album!" :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 18 15:08:57 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:08:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:24:56 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: >See, the NY/NJ metro area is the first place I've ever lived >where radio really, truly just sucks ass. Even in North >Carolina, where commercial radio is still stuck on Tom Petty >and the Eagles, there were still college stations. Here, I >can get one decent college station, that has a low output >broadcast, and comes in poorly. What?! No WFMU (Hoboken)? (Best radio station in the USA, if not the world.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Aug 18 15:19:23 2004 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:19:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hi Again Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: ... And no new musical wave has come along lately to wash away the crap currently on the radio. For a while I thought the "return to roots rock" movement of the Strokes and Jet would do it, but they haven't ignited a revolution yet. And I'm also not convinced that going backwards is the right answer to the problem. I'm sure that somebody somewhere is recording something that I would like. The problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once awesome) MTv2 went pop-commercial...? The Strokes, Jet, the Libertines et al are a complete waste of musical space. What are they supposed to be? New punk, Post Rock, New Recycle, Old tricks in new suits. Groups like the Godfathers did all of those tricks back in the 1980's. A bit of musical variety is called for these days while waiting for the old favourites to produce some new output. So... System of A Down - to fill those really HEAVY moments The Music - to add the 70's freak-out vibe The Coral - for the 60's psyche tinged pop vibe Foo Fighters - for the fun rock and the neat videos And King's X - for the hell of it. BUT, for a tune, nobody can beat Ken Dodd. All together now >> Happiness, Happiness, The Greatest Gift that I possess, I thank the Lord, That I've been blessed, With more than my share of happiness. Tickle along now Folks! Mark ________________________________________ For a wide range of mobile phones,free upgrades,accessories and tariffs plus special deals when you buy online,visit www.o2.co.uk/shop From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 18 16:25:10 2004 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:25:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: <40ED16AC00010749@eeyor.london.ongenie.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 15:19, mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK wrote: > BUT, for a tune, nobody can beat Ken Dodd. My sister told me she'd recently attended an outdoor gig by Rolf Harris at Bents Park, South Shields. She said he put on an amazing blinder of a show... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 18 18:36:21 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:36:21 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the band knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was away Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label knew nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - even suggesting another label we hadn't tried. So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed the "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I await a reply. Now you know............about as much as I do. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the single/album? > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not releasing > directly to iTMS? ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 18 18:33:32 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:33:32 -0400 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: Did you try NikT records? > > From: Cyberkrel > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed PM 06:36:21 EDT > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the band > knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was away > Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label knew > nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - even > suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed the > "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I await a > reply. > Now you know............about as much as I do. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the > single/album? > > > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not releasing > > directly to iTMS? ;) > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Aug 18 19:06:46 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:06:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <9C67A70A-F0C5-11D8-9F30-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:20:53PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:20:53PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its > > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once > > Come on you know Napster never promoted any new music. It was all about > getting stuff you already knew was good for free! ;-) Actually, I like to own CDs, gives me a nice solid materialistic feeling of ownership. ;-) And the quality of most shared MP3s *sucked*. By the time they were starting to use better algorithms/bitrates, the whole thing came crashing down. Anyway, what I used to do was surf for stuff that I knew I liked, the browse that user's directory to see what else they had, on the grounds that if they liekd on of my favorite bands, maybe they would know of other good stuff that I hadn't heard of. I can name about 30 CDs that I bought strictly because of Napster. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 18 19:30:22 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:30:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040818190646.A13261@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Aug 18, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > maybe they would know of other good stuff > that I hadn't heard of. I can name about 30 CDs that I > bought strictly because of Napster. OK Sir, I stand corrected. ?but I was just teasing you anyway. ;-) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 18 19:49:15 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:49:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:06:46 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: >On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:20:53PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: >> On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: >> > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its >> > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once >> >> Come on you know Napster never promoted any new music. It was all about >> getting stuff you already knew was good for free! ;-) > >Actually, I like to own CDs, gives me a nice solid >materialistic feeling of ownership. ;-) > >Anyway, what I used to do was surf for stuff that I knew I >liked, the browse that user's directory to see what else >they had, on the grounds that if they liekd on of my >favorite bands, maybe they would know of other good stuff >that I hadn't heard of. I can name about 30 CDs that I >bought strictly because of Napster. Well, Steve, you're probably an exception ;^). I never used Napster, myself, but the one way I did make use *of* it was that a former, now sadly deceased :^(, boc-l member used to send me the stuff that he would download from Napster, which was never either new stuff, nor stuff I already knew was good, but rather the weirdest, most off-the-wall things (a lot of novelty songs & "real person"/amateur music [ala the Shaggs, but much more obscure]) that probably never were, and never will be, released on CD (this makes me thing that it would be pretty cool if crate-digging DJ's could "dig the crates" electronically). But he was definitely an exception, too ... BTW since we're on the subject, there was an excellent editorial in yesterday's New York Times about how the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office recently came up with a report saying that (grossly paraphrased) the current legislative approach to copyright issues in general has been sort of hijacked by extremists on both sides, and that congress needs to recognize that copyrights are not intended to either allow monopolized "what-the-market-will-bear" charges by copyright holders, nor fully free exchange of copyrighted materials by the general (non-copyright- holding) public. If anyone's interested, I'll try to dig up a URL (but you need to register - free and they don't spam - to look at the NYT website). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 18 20:46:51 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:46:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Comets (was Re: Hi again) Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0700, Kevin Sommers wrote: >Based on Doug's recommendation, I have to get this. But it was cinched >when I read this one-star "review" on amazon.com (keeping in mind >that 'Blue Cathedral' is actually the album title): > >"Sometimes I pick up an album so wretched, so awful, so utterly >irredeemable that I'm compelled to review it, lest other's make the >same mistake I did. >Blue Cathedral is easily the worst band I've heard since The Darkness. Not >that those two bands have anything in common, but I'm so completely >offended to have either band in my iPod that I want to magnetize the >harddrive and scour my eardrums with Ajax. >I got this album based on a foolishly glowing review from Pitchfork. Their >review compared Blue Cathedral to Hendrix or Zeppelin, but a more honest >comparison would have been Cream or Deep Purple. This is flat out 70s >stoner rock. Long winded solos, ham-handed drug fills, and instrumentals >that stretch 7, 9, 10, 14 minutes long, until you want to drive red-hot >knitting needles into your alimentary canals, forever protecting yourself >from the sonic blight of Blue Cathedral." Oh, man! That's a brilliant review! I have passed on that information in the direction of the band :^). >Can't wait to hear those drug fills. Of course, I would highly recommend picking up their new album, but if there's interest (I guess I should take this to Neo-Quark), I'll record one (or both) of their upcoming shows for a tree (I've never bothered to record 'em since I can see them every month if I want). good article here: http://www.sfbg.com/38/47/cover_comets.html ... and be sure to go to the bay guardian home page for the three "sidebar" articles, including an interview with their audio- generator/echoplex player: http://www.sfbg.com/ (obviously, this link won't be appropriate after next tuesday, when they put up the new issue) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Aug 18 21:03:22 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:03:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <9310D9B2-F16E-11D8-A08F-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 07:30:22PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 07:30:22PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Aug 18, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Stephen Swann wrote: > > maybe they would know of other good stuff > > that I hadn't heard of. I can name about 30 CDs that I > > bought strictly because of Napster. > > OK Sir, I stand corrected. > but I was just teasing you anyway. ;-) I knew that - I've known the smiley code since 1984. ;-) But it's a very common notion that Napster didn't promote sales, which just isn't true. Lots of us who knew how to use it to explore new music. I bought many, many CDs (of bands that I would otherwise have never heard of) during the heyday of Napster. I don't buy nearly as many now, because I don't have the means to discover nearly as much cool music as I did back then. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Aug 18 21:06:42 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:06:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hi Again In-Reply-To: <40ED16AC00010749@eeyor.london.ongenie.net>; from mark.von-bargen@O2.CO.UK on Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:19:23PM +0100 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:19:23PM +0100, mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK wrote: > > The Strokes, Jet, the Libertines et al are a complete waste of musical space. > What are they supposed to be? New punk, Post Rock, New Recycle, Old tricks > in new suits. Groups like the Godfathers did all of those tricks back in > the 1980's. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Aug 19 01:21:15 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:21:15 -0600 Subject: Damn Napster! Message-ID: If it wasn't for napster, I wouldn't have purchased the complete Dictators collection. : ) What's up with that? Brad From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Aug 19 01:43:31 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:13:31 +0930 Subject: OFF: Hi Again Message-ID: That must have been a Rolf Harris tribute. The real rolf was eaten alive by rabid wombats last year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:55 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Hi Again > On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 15:19, mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK wrote: > > > BUT, for a tune, nobody can beat Ken Dodd. > > My sister told me she'd recently attended an outdoor gig by Rolf Harris > at Bents Park, South Shields. She said he put on an amazing blinder of > a show... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Aug 19 01:52:12 2004 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:52:12 -0600 Subject: Radio:was: OFF: Re: Hi again Message-ID: I detest radio. Here in Boise, we've got Citadel & Clear Channel stations. There's still a couple of independents, but we've a choice of: Pop, Classic Rock, Country, then there the college/NPR station which does Classical & Jazz during the day, and Edges & Echoes in the eves, with some sort of weird stuff on the weekends. Not a very nice mix. One I found funny, tho: I got a high muckety form Citadel one evening out of the airport. Taking him home, I asked his line of work. He told me, then asked my "unvarnished opinion" of Boise radio. He got told that they used 3 CD's: One ads, the rest tunes "mixed" of course. Told him that was the month's format. Kinda made him a bit angry. I probably hit too close to the mark. Needless to say, I got no tip on that one! It was fun, tho.....:) Pam Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Stephen Swann wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:38:26PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >>Man, I gave up on radio when I was a teen; actually, from basically the > >>first moment that I took an interest in contemporary "pop/rock/whatever" > >>I realized that nobody was playing anything I liked on the radio. Some > > > > See, the NY/NJ metro area is the first place I've ever lived > > where radio really, truly just sucks ass. > > Yeah, that's where I grew up, and yeah, it sucked giant flaming > pox-ridden asses :) > > (Well, when I was in high school, there was a classic rock station that > played a "psychedelic six-pack" special every so often, and though in > reality it wasn't that adventurous, it sounded pretty far out to my > then-virgin ears. That was about it, though!) > > > Even in North > > Carolina, where commercial radio is still stuck on Tom Petty > > and the Eagles, > > There are far _worse_ things ;) > > > I haven't been as engaged in chat groups and mailing lists > > as I used to (well, I am, but not music related ones > > recently). > > Likewise. Though I seem to hear about enough interesting new things > that I still can't anything like afford them all (though this is due > more to budget reduction than music explosion ;) > > > For a while I > > thought the "return to roots rock" movement of the Strokes > > and Jet would do it, but they haven't ignited a revolution > > yet. And I'm also not convinced that going backwards is the > > right answer to the problem. > > Yeah, as far as the Strokes, it's like: I've heard this before. I'm all > for rocking out like they used to rock out, but maybe not _quite_ so > clonified .... > > > I'm sure that somebody > > somewhere is recording something that I would like. The > > problem is how to get to hear it, since Napster and its > > clones got litigated out of existence, and (the once > > awesome) MTv2 went pop-commercial...? > > They need to let you tape their gigs, get a fan buzz going (by actually > being good), and the you score the FLAC files via bittorrent :) After a > while, you've heard such amazing stuff that you say "Goddam! I'm gonna > buy their album!" :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 19 05:01:19 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:01:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <000501c484c1$528292a0$72251418@cx904100a> Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > "This is flat out 70s stoner > rock. Long winded solos, ham-handed drug fills, and instrumentals that > stretch 7, 9, 10, 14 minutes long, until you want to drive red-hot knitting > needles into your alimentary canals, forever protecting yourself from the > sonic blight of Blue Cathedral." > > Can't wait to hear those drug fills. Man, I bet there's a drug solo! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 19 05:24:08 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:24:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040818210322.B13261@cugc.org> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > But it's a very common notion that Napster didn't promote > sales, which just isn't true. Lots of us who knew how to > use it to explore new music. I bought many, many CDs (of > bands that I would otherwise have never heard of) during the > heyday of Napster. I don't buy nearly as many now, because > I don't have the means to discover nearly as much cool music > as I did back then. I would agree with that, generally. I mean, I bet some real sales were lost to Napster, but I also bet that more were then generated by other people hearing stuff and thinking, "Woah, that's cool" and buying the album. I'm also sure that plenty of college students with time and bandwidth on their hands downloaded vast piles of stuff on spec -- and probably never listened to it again! And some of the sales that were lost, well they probably "shouldn't" have been "sales". I mean, half the time you have to shell out full price for the CD just to hear even a smidgin of what it sounds like. And if it sucks, then you're stuck: you've bought it! I used Napster some -- mostly searching for available rarities :) or stuff I heard was cool. And if I played a track I found and like a bunch of times, I bought the CD (if it was available). Otherwise, I usually deleted files of songs that were crap or boring in order to save disk space :) But mostly I found Napster a pain in the ass: it was slow, most files were encoded like crap, were mislabelled, and ... it was a pain in the ass. I don't want free music -- I can get more free'n'legal music than I could possibly listen to anytime from etree or whatever. I want to hear something I haven't before so I can know whether its worth buying. Nowadays, I might buy the CD of an artist with which I'm familiar without hearing it, but if there's not at least a little 128kbps full length MP3 for me to hear ... well, I'll risk my money on someone else's CD who gave me a bit better sense of what I can expect. I mean, how is that different from radio? Radio gives away songs for free (bar some advertising!) and you can record it if you want. Obviously, the majority of artists will never be on the radio, but they can put some tasters on their web site. Or encourage you to tape and trade their live shows while buying their studio output :) Then you can spend hours downloading those bittorrents and figuring out where the hell you're going to put all the disks you burned ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 19 05:55:57 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:55:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comets (was Re: Hi again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > Of course, I would highly recommend picking up their new album, but if > there's interest (I guess I should take this to Neo-Quark), I'll record > one (or both) of their upcoming shows for a tree (I've never bothered to > record 'em since I can see them every month if I want). Do it! Do it! I would love to hear what these guys sound like :) I found this "mission statement on the subpop web site: ----- Their original intent was to create a rock group free of commercial pretensions or genre trend; one that simply dealt in pure bombast, attack, overwhelming distortion and chaos, and yet possessing a shameless love for anthemic choruses, shattering hooks and riffs, and the smoke and magic of yesteryears? rock and roll iconoclasts. ----- And how fucking cool is that? Man, if I could put together any band I wanted, I could hardly improve on that philosophy. Hardly "progressive", but sure sounds like fun :) I went cruising for MP3 samples from the latest album, but haven't found any yet, so I'd be keen to hear a happening live recording :) > good article here: > http://www.sfbg.com/38/47/cover_comets.html Great gods above, I must hear this band! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Aug 19 07:57:07 2004 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:57:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040818190646.A13261@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: >Anyway, what I used to do was surf for stuff that I knew I >liked, the browse that user's directory to see what else >they had, on the grounds that if they liekd on of my >favorite bands, maybe they would know of other good stuff >that I hadn't heard of. I can name about 30 CDs that I >bought strictly because of Napster. New Napster has tried to replicate that, within the limits of their available music. YMMV on how well they did it. They'll also build you a custom radio station based on your library or on three tracks you select. Amazon's ListMania is another attempt at doing the same thing, one that I've put to good use in the search for books on obscure subjects. I'd suggest trying both New Napster and Rhapsody and seeing if either suits you. (Rhapsody has To Helen With Love available. And the BOC remasters. ;) ) I wasn't as impressed with CDNow. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. - Cyril Connolly From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Aug 19 08:03:12 2004 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:03:12 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040817223051.B24559@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Stephen Swann wrote: >On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:04:50PM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: >> > I'm currently debating between Sirius and XM, although I'm >> > leery of investing in the hardware to receive something that >> >> Better than the stations around here (which isn't hard to do), >> and some of the specialty stations play things you don't hear >> on the radio. > >Not even in Raleigh? Jean, the things you tell me. > >Actually, there was on really awesome college station there >that did play a lot of interesting heavy rock. They >introduced me to Kerbdog, a band who despite only putting >out 2 albums, are one of my favorite bands, EVAR... *g* You know how consistent college stations are. I find mostly rap on them these days. >> > Rhapsody? >> >> Real Networks version of the New Napster. Better interface and >> music selection AFAIAC. > >Hmmm. Real? Is it in Real format? 'Fraid so. But the service itself is good enough to drag me back, kicking and screaming, to having RealPlayer on my computer. >> I think he would be a harder version of Stomu Yamashta, based on >> your description. (I can't find any samples of Yamashta except the >> "neat swooshy sounds" from his older albums.) Hotei contributed to >> the soundtrack of Kill Bill I. > >Cool. Will investigate. Hotei's cover of The Immigrant Song is, ah, interesting. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. - Cyril Connolly From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Aug 19 08:47:10 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:47:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <412471B8.2060407@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I mean, half > the time you have to shell out full price for the CD just to hear even > a > smidgin of what it sounds like. And if it sucks, then you're stuck: > you've bought it! I've found that many record stores now have scanning devices that let you sample tracks before you decide to buy. It has introduced me to some great groups I would've originally been wary of, while warning me about others I thought I might like, but didn't. Of course, if your taste runs eclectic enough, those particular record stores won't have what you're looking for. Still, it's a major step in the right direction. Brian From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 19 09:09:05 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:09:05 +0000 Subject: Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: Apparantly Amazon have shipped mine to me. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 19 09:36:06 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:36:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > I've found that many record stores now have scanning devices that let > you sample tracks before you decide to buy. It has introduced me to > some great groups I would've originally been wary of, while warning me > about others I thought I might like, but didn't. > Of course, if your taste runs eclectic enough, those particular record > stores won't have what you're looking for. Still, it's a major step in > the right direction. Agreed. And I like that Amazon at least has some samples of some tracks, and the iTunes Music Store will give you 30 seconds of whatever they've got. Admittedly, sometimes the quality is so bad that you can't tell if its good or not, but it's something. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Aug 19 10:06:36 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:06:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Please help In-Reply-To: <200408171033.i7HAXdTB011158@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:33:39AM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 11:33:39AM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > Ok, I've been looking for this video with no sucess for > > years. Help! > > I think it's this one: > > 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 > I remember my shock when I saw a cover I didn't have: Rock Legends cover > of the first album. > > I have it and can probably do a copy to VHS or DVD if it's confirmed > that it's no longer available from Hawkwind (which is where I got mine). If Hawkwind were still selling it, where would I find out? -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Thu Aug 19 10:23:21 2004 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:23:21 +0200 Subject: Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: Hi! Got mine a few days ago. Looks really great I must say. Looking forward to read the book shorthly. Cheers Hawkswede ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: Sonic Assassins book > Apparantly Amazon have shipped mine to me. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Aug 19 12:41:46 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:11:46 +0930 Subject: Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: I received my copy today. Thanks Andy! Yes its a beautiful looking book and what I've read so far is outstanding! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkswede" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Sonic Assassins book > Hi! > > Got mine a few days ago. Looks really great I must say. Looking forward to > read the book shorthly. > > Cheers > > Hawkswede > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eddie jobson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:09 PM > Subject: Sonic Assassins book > > > > Apparantly Amazon have shipped mine to me. > > > From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Aug 19 13:13:53 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:13:53 -0400 Subject: Hi again In-Reply-To: <41235546.3050504@mitre.org>; from jswartz@MITRE.ORG on Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:10:30AM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:10:30AM -0400, John Swartz wrote: > > But, it's STILL all Steve Swann's fault - and good to hear from him (and > Carl...and Jean...and...) again. The mailing list must be radiating some kind of psychic summons, calling us back to our ancestral posting grounds... ;-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Aug 19 13:44:12 2004 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:44:12 -0400 Subject: Hi again Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:10:30AM -0400, John Swartz wrote: > > > > But, it's STILL all Steve Swann's fault - and good to hear > > from him (and Carl...and Jean...and...) again. > > The mailing list must be radiating some kind of psychic > summons, calling us back to our ancestral posting > grounds... ;-) We shall live again, we shall live again, We shall live again, shake out the ghost dance. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 19 16:31:44 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:31:44 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: Actually, no. Of course I have forgoten the one obvious thing - that the band might sell it exclusively through their website for the first month of release. If they do that, I sincerely hope they let us have it even if noone else gets it - for reasons I've stated and justified many times before now. Either way, until I know for sure, the search continues...... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe Lindas To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > Did you try NikT records? > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed PM 06:36:21 EDT > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the band > > knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was away > > Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > > nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > > thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label knew > > nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - even > > suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed the > > "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I await a > > reply. > > Now you know............about as much as I do. > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the > > single/album? > > > > > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not releasing > > > directly to iTMS? ;) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Carl > > > > > > -- > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 19 17:17:22 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:17:22 -0400 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:36:21 +0100, Cyberkrel wrote: >OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the >band knew what the new label is - Sounds like that's still the case :^). >speculation here was rife - while I was away >Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew >nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I >thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label >knew nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - >even suggesting another label we hadn't tried. Any chance you could provide the list of labels that have *denied* having a Hawkwind single on their upcoming release schedule (hardly secret information, I would think)? There aren't THAT many labels in the UK, are there ... ? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Aug 19 17:27:40 2004 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:27:40 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: one of the labels must be voiceprint as that would be the most obvious choice colm > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:36:21 +0100, Cyberkrel > wrote: > > >OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the > >band knew what the new label is - > > Sounds like that's still the case :^). > > >speculation here was rife - while I was away > >Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > >nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > >thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label > >knew nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - > >even suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > Any chance you could provide the list of labels that have *denied* having > a Hawkwind single on their upcoming release schedule (hardly secret > information, I would think)? There aren't THAT many labels in the UK, are > there ... ? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Aug 19 17:54:47 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:54:47 -0400 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! Message-ID: [from Knut Gerwers] Hi there - at looooong last.... it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and FINALLY it happened. as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. so, from now on: the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert can be found @: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert there is A LOT of new material - way too much to be even shortlisted here. just check the NEWS page for a complete listing: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/news/calvertnews.htm a few notes on the update: you will STILL find a lot of monstrous files (in terms of datasize) - sometimes this just couldn't be helped....still, it's all worthwhile, OF COURSE! for the Hawkwind fans: well, what is there to tell you haven't heard yet... the main additions are quite a few original articles, reviews, interview snippets and stuff that have mostly been annexed in pop-up-files - and: some original live-photos, to be seen here for the first time. (especially from the Hawklords '78 tour) for details, again, check the news-page. everyone who's interested in the not-so-well-known works of Calvert - particularly on the literary and "hybrid" projects - you will find a lot of new stuff. what I definitely like to recommend to everyone: the special extensive feature on THE KID FROM SILICON GULCH. just so much: it's the entire thing! well....I could go on for ages - but I did that already on that news-page, so you might like to check this out first... - and please: don't forget to turn your speakers on.... and as always: please let everyone know about this who might be interested, and do feel free to send comments, cash and criticism.... all the best, knut gerwers From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 19 18:43:47 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:43:47 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: Well, so far, Dave tried SPV/Inside Out, Snapper and Sanctuary, while I tried Voiceprint, who suggested Talking Elephant which I havn't tried as it seemed unlikely. T be fair to the band - which I am often accused of not being - I can understand why, if they do have BIG plans afott for the release of a single and album in terms of promotion, that they are keeping plans under wraps until the timing is EXACT. You think about it - if they really do plan a coordinated campaign witht he video on MTV or VH1, the single out in the shops and more publicity than you could shake a stick at, the last thing they want is someone like me getting in there first and muddying the waters for them. But, that said, until someone trusts me enough to tell me what's going on but to stay quiet, then I guess I'll go on speculating as we all will - as Bruce Forsyth once sed (and this will be lost on our overseas friends) - "good game, good game" - lol Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:36:21 +0100, Cyberkrel > wrote: > > >OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the > >band knew what the new label is - > > Sounds like that's still the case :^). > > >speculation here was rife - while I was away > >Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > >nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > >thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label > >knew nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - > >even suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > Any chance you could provide the list of labels that have *denied* having > a Hawkwind single on their upcoming release schedule (hardly secret > information, I would think)? There aren't THAT many labels in the UK, are > there ... ? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Aug 20 00:49:32 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:49:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <412471B8.2060407@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:24:08AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > And some of the sales that were > lost, well they probably "shouldn't" have been "sales". I mean, half > the time you have to shell out full price for the CD just to hear even a > smidgin of what it sounds like. And if it sucks, then you're stuck: > you've bought it! Well, from the record companies' point of view, those "shouldn't"s have been a significant chunk of their business model -- the old "two hit singles and eight songs of filler" scam. No wonder they squawked at something that let the marks (that's us) make *informed* buying decisions. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Fri Aug 20 03:22:54 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:22:54 +0100 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: Line: 173 Char: 55 Error: Expected ')' Code: 0 URL: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/calvart/calvart.htm JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry Kranitz Sent: 19 August 2004 22:55 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! [from Knut Gerwers] Hi there - at looooong last.... it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and FINALLY it happened. as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. so, from now on: the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert can be found @: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert there is A LOT of new material - way too much to be even shortlisted here. just check the NEWS page for a complete listing: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/news/calvertnews.htm a few notes on the update: you will STILL find a lot of monstrous files (in terms of datasize) - sometimes this just couldn't be helped....still, it's all worthwhile, OF COURSE! for the Hawkwind fans: well, what is there to tell you haven't heard yet... the main additions are quite a few original articles, reviews, interview snippets and stuff that have mostly been annexed in pop-up-files - and: some original live-photos, to be seen here for the first time. (especially from the Hawklords '78 tour) for details, again, check the news-page. everyone who's interested in the not-so-well-known works of Calvert - particularly on the literary and "hybrid" projects - you will find a lot of new stuff. what I definitely like to recommend to everyone: the special extensive feature on THE KID FROM SILICON GULCH. just so much: it's the entire thing! well....I could go on for ages - but I did that already on that news-page, so you might like to check this out first... - and please: don't forget to turn your speakers on.... and as always: please let everyone know about this who might be interested, and do feel free to send comments, cash and criticism.... all the best, knut gerwers From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Aug 20 05:07:38 2004 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:07:38 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic assassins Message-ID: Hej Just got my copy of the Sonic Assassin book. It is fantastic. I read 40 pages of various parts last night and damn it is the best book on Hawkwind ever for sure. All the great quotes really makes for a nice read. Pick it up for sure! I also got the Out of the Shadows DVD. Quite good but huw annoys me. He plays better than he has in a long time in the context of Hawkwind but he only has two ways of playings and he repeats himself over and over on the different songs. Either the slow spacey stuff or the fast fluid leads. Very dominant as well. Tim, if you want to play with Hawkwind bring back the analog synths please... Arthur Brown.. he was cool... Only saw half the DVD though. Great sound. later, scott ObCD- WE- Smugglers (Norway 2004) released only in Norway sept 13th, 2004 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Aug 20 05:13:40 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:13:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040820044931.GA27868@telepres.com> Message-ID: Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:24:08AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>And some of the sales that were >>lost, well they probably "shouldn't" have been "sales". I mean, half >>the time you have to shell out full price for the CD just to hear even a >>smidgin of what it sounds like. And if it sucks, then you're stuck: >>you've bought it! > > Well, from the record companies' point of view, those > "shouldn't"s have been a significant chunk of their business > model -- the old "two hit singles and eight songs of filler" > scam. No wonder they squawked at something that let the marks > (that's us) make *informed* buying decisions. I am, of course, arguing from the POV of the "informed consumer" :) who sees putting pressure on labels (and artists) to release songs that actually stand up to audience scrutiny as a Good Thing :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 20 05:26:40 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:26:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic assassins Message-ID: Am really looking forward to receiving mine now! Noticed recently how many links in entertainment and the real world there are to Hawkwind songs, specifically the 1977 Calvert era. Hassan I Sahba - middle east threat (well explained in a 1977 Calvert/Brock radio interview I have with Tommy Vance), Damnation Alley - nuclear threat, High Rise - 9/11 and even entertainment, the films the Right Stuff about American pilots trying to break the sound barrier and |The Will Smith film I Robot - the 3 laws. The late Robert Calvert, the 20th centuries answer to the prophet Nostradamus? My twopenneth. Eddie. >From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Sonic assassins >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:07:38 +0200 > >Hej > >Just got my copy of the Sonic Assassin book. It is fantastic. I read 40 >pages of various parts last night and damn it is the best book on >Hawkwind ever for sure. All the great quotes really makes for a nice >read. Pick it up for sure! > >I also got the Out of the Shadows DVD. Quite good but huw annoys me. He >plays better than he has in a long time in the context of Hawkwind but >he only has two ways of playings and he repeats himself over and over on >the different songs. Either the slow spacey stuff or the fast fluid >leads. Very dominant as well. Tim, if you want to play with Hawkwind >bring back the analog synths please... Arthur Brown.. he was cool... >Only saw half the DVD though. Great sound. > >later, > >scott > >ObCD- WE- Smugglers (Norway 2004) released only in Norway sept 13th, >2004 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Aug 20 05:31:33 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:31:33 -0400 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! Message-ID: >On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: Hmmmmm..... not sure what the problem is. I can load it fine and I have a fairly old computer. But I just forwarded your message to Knut to see if he has any thoughts. Jerry From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 20 10:49:55 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:49:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records In-Reply-To: <616D8AB8-2E64-11D8-8EE4-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 01:36:07PM -0500 Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 01:36:07PM -0500, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Ask David Lucas. He practically had to beg me to play it and he (David) > played vibra-slap and I played the triangle on the middle break. It was > all on one channel. Has anyone heard the SACD version of it? I wonder > if some of those buried parts are more audible, like Eric's organ part. Hey Al, that reminds me of something I'd been meaning to ask. One or two of the early BOC records (like, I'm almost sure Secret Treaties, and maybe one or two others) got released on vinyl in Quadrophonic, right? Were those albums recorded with that kind of thing in mind, or is that just some funky studio wizardry they performed after the fact? And has anyone ever actually heard those records played back in quad? Heck I've never even laid eyes on actual working quad system... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Aug 20 11:01:06 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:01:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records Message-ID: >>> swann at CUGC.ORG 8/20/2004 10:49:55 AM >>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 01:36:07PM -0500, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Ask David Lucas. He practically had to beg me to play it and he (David) > played vibra-slap and I played the triangle on the middle break. It was > all on one channel. Has anyone heard the SACD version of it? I wonder > if some of those buried parts are more audible, like Eric's organ part. Hey Al, that reminds me of something I'd been meaning to ask. One or two of the early BOC records (like, I'm almost sure Secret Treaties, and maybe one or two others) got released on vinyl in Quadrophonic, right? Were those albums recorded with that kind of thing in mind, or is that just some funky studio wizardry they performed after the fact? And has anyone ever actually heard those records played back in quad? Heck I've never even laid eyes on actual working quad system... I had [maybe still have?] a copy of Tyranny and Mutation in Quad <8-Track>!! But I just played it on a regular system... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 20 11:52:37 2004 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:52:37 +0100 Subject: G for Germany Message-ID: Could the German folks please send me their phone numbers? I still don't have any fixed plans, but if you gie me a number and the area you're in, I'll call to met up for a beer if I get there... Looks like the consensus is to head for the Ruhr and south areas. Cheers FoFP From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 20 11:54:18 2004 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:54:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records In-Reply-To: <20040820104955.A13017@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Stephen Swann wrote: > Hey Al, that reminds me of something I'd been meaning to > ask. One or two of the early BOC records (like, I'm almost > sure Secret Treaties, and maybe one or two others) got > released on vinyl in Quadrophonic, right? Were those albums > recorded with that kind of thing in mind, or is that just > some funky studio wizardry they performed after the fact? > I only remember T&M being in quad. Sandy did the quad mix right along with the stereo mix. The would get the stereo one then go right on the the quad version. I think they split the sounds among the different speakers. WWD was especially good in quad as I remember. > And has anyone ever actually heard those records played back > in quad? Heck I've never even laid eyes on actual working > quad system... How they got all that information into a little groove of vinyl I don't know but it did work. Al From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 20 12:04:20 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:04:20 -0400 Subject: HW: ordering direct from Hawkwind? Message-ID: So, how does one check to see what Hawkwind currently has available for direct order? Does Dave or Kris still read this list? -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Aug 20 14:16:33 2004 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:16:33 +0100 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! Message-ID: Loads ok for me, and first impressions are looking excellent!! Just tried the "Death Trap" presentation....very interesting. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "HawkFan" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! > On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: > > Line: 173 > Char: 55 > Error: Expected ')' > Code: 0 > URL: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/calvart/calvart.htm > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry Kranitz > Sent: 19 August 2004 22:55 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! > > > [from Knut Gerwers] > > Hi there - > at looooong last.... > it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and > FINALLY it happened. > as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. > so, from now on: > the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert > can be found @: > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert > > there is A LOT of new material - way too much to be even shortlisted here. > just check the NEWS page for a complete listing: > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/news/calvertnews.htm > > a few notes on the update: you will STILL find a lot of monstrous files (in > terms of datasize) - sometimes this just couldn't be helped....still, it's > all > worthwhile, OF COURSE! > > for the Hawkwind fans: well, what is there to tell you haven't heard yet... > the main additions are quite a few original articles, reviews, interview > snippets > and stuff that have mostly been annexed in pop-up-files - and: some original > live-photos, to be seen here for the first time. (especially from the > Hawklords '78 tour) > for details, again, check the news-page. > > everyone who's interested in the not-so-well-known works of Calvert - > particularly > on the literary and "hybrid" projects - you will find a lot of new stuff. > what I definitely like to recommend to everyone: the special extensive > feature > on THE KID FROM SILICON GULCH. just so much: it's the entire thing! > > well....I could go on for ages - but I did that already on that news-page, > so you might > like to check this out first... - and please: don't forget to turn your > speakers on.... > > and as always: please let everyone know about this who might be interested, > and do feel free to send comments, cash and criticism.... > > all the best, > knut gerwers > From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 20 14:22:26 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:22:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records In-Reply-To: <31938099-F2C1-11D8-9FDF-000A2794A214@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:54:18AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:54:18AM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > I only remember T&M being in quad. Sandy did the quad mix right along > with the stereo mix. The would get the stereo one then go right on the > the quad version. I think they split the sounds among the different > speakers. WWD was especially good in quad as I remember. Hmmm... woulda sworn I'd seen a quad Secret Treaties once. The reason I didn't buy it was that it was already long after the heyday of vinyl, and I knew perfectly well that I'll never, ever own a working quad system... I personally thought it would be really cool to take those old quad mixes and convert them to DVD Audio. After all, the Powers That Be never seem to have a problem with doing yet another re-release/remastering of the first 4 BOC albums, even though they never get around to doing Spectres, which is MUCH MORE in need of it (heck they've even done Cultosaurus, which sounded just fine!). > How they got all that information into a little groove of vinyl I don't > know but it did work. Maybe some kind of sound matrixing, similar to analog Dolby Pro Logic surround. Boy am I just guessing wildly here. :-) I should probably just google it, I bet somewhere there's a technical page about it, complete with engineering diagrams and the name and address of the who designed the system... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 20 14:54:46 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:54:46 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: Anyone tried Griffin or whatever Rob Godwin trades as these days? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > Actually, no. > Of course I have forgoten the one obvious thing - that the band might sell > it exclusively through their website for the first month of release. If they > do that, I sincerely hope they let us have it even if noone else gets it - > for reasons I've stated and justified many times before now. Either way, > until I know for sure, the search continues...... > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephe Lindas > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > Did you try NikT records? > > > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed PM 06:36:21 EDT > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the > band > > > knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was > away > > > Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > > > nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > > > thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this label > knew > > > nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - even > > > suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > > So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed the > > > "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I await a > > > reply. > > > Now you know............about as much as I do. > > > Andy G. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the > > > single/album? > > > > > > > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not releasing > > > > directly to iTMS? ;) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 20 14:58:21 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:58:21 -0400 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! Message-ID: I get the javascript error, too, but everything seems to work fine. The interview with Jill Calvert is very interesting, especially for fans of her late husband. I can't wait to explore the rest ... Thank you Knut and Jerry! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:22:54 +0100, HawkFan wrote: >On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: > >Line: 173 >Char: 55 >Error: Expected ')' >Code: 0 >URL: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/calvart/calvart.htm > >JR > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry Kranitz >Sent: 19 August 2004 22:55 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! > > >[from Knut Gerwers] > >Hi there - >at looooong last.... >it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and >FINALLY it happened. >as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. >so, from now on: >the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert >can be found @: >http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Aug 20 15:36:11 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <4125C0C4.6090907@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:13:40AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Eric Siegerman wrote: > >Well, from the record companies' point of view, [...] > > I am, of course, arguing from the POV of the "informed consumer" :) Geez, I wasn't saying I agreed with them! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Aug 20 16:01:35 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:01:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records In-Reply-To: <20040820142225.A23583@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 02:22:26PM -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:54:18AM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Maybe some kind of sound matrixing, [...] Two parallel grooves, a la Matching Tie and Handkerchief, but with dual styli to read them? Seriously, there were three different flavours. "SQ" and "QS" used matrixing; "discrete" used a weird kind of frequency-division multiplexing. http://www.rdrop.com/~dano/tunes/quad.html -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Aug 20 19:26:41 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:26:41 -0600 Subject: BOC: early quadrophonic records In-Reply-To: <20040820142225.A23583@cugc.org> Message-ID: > Hmmm... woulda sworn I'd seen a quad Secret Treaties once. Yep, I own a vinyl copy of Secret Treaties in Quad. It was my second copy of that album (you had to actually buy them then since there was no Napster) after wearing out my stereo copy. I had a quad receiver back then which was destroyed when my Dad was pulling into the garage, stepped on the gas instead of the brake and drove through the wall hitting my receiver which smashed into a billion pieces against the opposite wall. The insurance adjuster had a difficult time deciding if the home owners policy or the auto policy should pay for my receiver. I am pretty sure I still have the quad vinyl and I do remember the mix sounding different, especially the vocals on Career of Evil (much easier to figure out the harmonies). If anyone would like to give it a listen, email me off list. If I can find it, I'll send it to you for free. I listened to it a lot (had to learn every song note for note) so it may not be in the best condition. I also have the original CD version with the flub in Cagey Cretins and the remaster. It's one of the few albums ever recorded that deserves to be bought 4 times. Brad From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sat Aug 21 03:17:18 2004 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:17:18 +0100 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Javascript errors may be due to the latest Windows update. I've noticed a few pages (like eBay!) have started giving errors since I last updated. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: 20 August 2004 19:58 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! I get the javascript error, too, but everything seems to work fine. The interview with Jill Calvert is very interesting, especially for fans of her late husband. I can't wait to explore the rest ... Thank you Knut and Jerry! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:22:54 +0100, HawkFan wrote: >On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: > >Line: 173 >Char: 55 >Error: Expected ')' >Code: 0 >URL: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/calvart/calvart.htm > >JR > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry Kranitz >Sent: 19 August 2004 22:55 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! > > >[from Knut Gerwers] > >Hi there - >at looooong last.... >it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and >FINALLY it happened. >as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. >so, from now on: >the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert >can be found @: >http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert From zim594j at TNINET.SE Sat Aug 21 03:15:09 2004 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:15:09 +0200 Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! In-Reply-To: <000001c4874e$e5164fa0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: Yeah, windows, what a system. . . l?rdagen den 21 augusti 2004 kl 09.17 skrev HawkFan: > The Javascript errors may be due to the latest Windows update. I've > noticed > a few pages (like eBay!) have started giving errors since I last > updated. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: 20 August 2004 19:58 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! > > > I get the javascript error, too, but everything seems to work fine. > > The interview with Jill Calvert is very interesting, especially for > fans > of her late husband. I can't wait to explore the rest ... > > Thank you Knut and Jerry! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:22:54 +0100, HawkFan > wrote: > >> On my PC (IE6 latest update) I get a Javascript error: >> >> Line: 173 >> Char: 55 >> Error: Expected ')' >> Code: 0 >> URL: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/calvart/calvart.htm >> >> JR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry Kranitz >> Sent: 19 August 2004 22:55 >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Rober Calvert: The Spirit Of The P/age...... is back!!! >> >> >> [from Knut Gerwers] >> >> Hi there - >> at looooong last.... >> it had been announced ages ago...the re-launch of the Calvert - and >> FINALLY it happened. >> as a kind of birthday-present (to MYSELF) I've just pushed the button. >> so, from now on: >> the spirit of the p/age - an online portrait of Robert Calvert >> can be found @: >> http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert > From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Aug 21 03:54:07 2004 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:54:07 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: I've read the book 2 and a bit times now and I think it's fabulous. It's a real fan's book. A theme of the book is the way that Ian Abrahams has been fair to all concerned and has interviewed as many people as he could and has let them all have their say. He's made a genuine attempt to tell it like it is/was, without sensationalisation. There was information on each and every page that was new to me. There were so many things, from Jello Biafra's comments through to Richard Chadwick's studio drum technique (yes I found that interesting!), that were revelatory. He put the free festival movement and it's demise into context - also in terms of the Hawkfests he highlighted the achievement behind these and their importance. It was a joy to dive into and now, having read it, it's great just to pick it up and re-read choice pieces. Another thing - Mr Abrahams wasn't tempted to skip over any period in their history (it's one of my bug-bears that people tend to dismiss post-70's Hawkwind), and even gives a page or 2 to 1998 and the Strange Daze fiasco - not that I was desperate to read about it but it happened so it's in the book. I was intrigued about the Brock/Turner thing going on in the book - It was almost inevitable that one of them would say "black" and the other would say "white". The way that the characters come across in print is true to form, i.e. Brock as the captain with so much invested in Hawkwind, Turner as the joker who over the years has (unwittingly perhaps) diluted Hawkwind's power, Davey and Chadwick as the increasingly important and solid rhythm section and backbone. Harvey comes across as a lovely bloke and Ron Tree as very candid. Although Ian quoted them from press articles etc, the 2 Simons were conspicuous by their absence as interviewees. As ever, with all matters to do with Hawkwind, I always feel like I've been into them too long to be objective, so I think it'd be really interesting to see what non-fans or just critics in general think of it and what impression they get from it. (I ain't been able to get my wife to read it- she knows it all by osmosis anyway!) A final point- am I the only person who liked the Hawkestra? Anyhow, I'm glad to see the book is starting to filter through to all you good folks - you're in for a treat. Cheers Alan From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Aug 21 06:15:21 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:15:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Hi again In-Reply-To: <20040820193611.GA8730@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 20 Aug 2004, at 20:36, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:13:40AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Eric Siegerman wrote: >>> Well, from the record companies' point of view, [...] >> >> I am, of course, arguing from the POV of the "informed consumer" :) > > Geez, I wasn't saying I agreed with them! Well, I didn't think you were :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 21 21:05:42 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:05:42 +0100 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: <40F652A7.3080304@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Albert Bouchard wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2004, at 6:33 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > >> Are the live albums included, or is it just the studio ones? > >> And is 'Imaginos' also included? That would be way too heavily > >> massively cool! > > > > The original plan was to do them all with the possible exception of > > Imaginos. :-( That's what I've been told. CN before Imaginos? > > Blasphemy! > > Blasphemy indeed! All things considered, the sound of the CD doesn't > seem so dreadful to me -- but there are a lot of things to be > considered. I have a vague memory of Al saying that the original tapes > got quite a lot of wear in the making of the record, though I suppose > that may not be relevant to the remastering process. I would dearly love to hear _Imaginos_ remastered. I find its thick overcrowded sound and its low volume levels, on CD or on cassette (have never heard the vinyl) put me off listening to it (after all, otherwise it would only be `Imaginos' itself that did that and I could just program that out :-) ) Obviously the bonus tracks would be worth having too but basically it needs opening out so very badly. I realise this is all to do with the limitations of format and technology in 1988, but given that we're not in 1988 now I wish someone thought it worth having a crack at it. Failing that though, I confess that _Spectres_ and _Mirrors_ are my two least favourite BOC albums (with _Club Ninja_ wandering around in a kind of Neptune-Pluto-Charon configuration so that sometimes it's my least favourite) almost entirely because of the way they sound, which again I accept is period detail but which I would love to lose so that the material doesn't sound so dense and wooly. I mean ideally it would all have been Pearlman-produced and jammed out as a band before studio even became an issue but as there were real people involved and so forth, let's make the best of what we have. Thankyou Al for clarifying what's taking the time; you are as ever a model of careful and timely information. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 21 21:27:07 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:27:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 22, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #109), Alchemical Radio (show #67), and Drool Trough (show #15). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html New in stock at the AURAL INNOVATIONS CD MAIL ORDER CATALOG: Daze of the Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind: 2-CD set of Hawkwind covers by all sorts of space rock, psych and metal bands. Back in stock: Numerous Eternity's Jest Records titles (Quarkspace and Church of Hed) NOTE: I've not had time to update the catalog and won't be around much until Monday so email me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com if interested in the Hawkwind tribute or to get a list of available Eternity's Jest titles. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: General Playlist (show #109) The Psychedelic Avengers - "In which the mighty Silver Wing leaves the solar system, starts its old tremendous metagrav drive and jumps into hyperspace" (from The Psychedelic Avengers and the Curse of the Universe) Litmus - "(Theta Wave) Inductor" (from You Are Here) Book Of Shadows - "The Beach" (from Hanged Man) Mushroom - "Tonite Let's All Make Love In Oakland" (from Glazed Popems) The Urania News - "Grip" (from Horizon Expansion) WE - "Freak Capital Of The Universe" (from Lightyears Ahead) Tim Burness - "Unstoppable Waves of Joy" (from Finding New Ways To Love) John Frankovic - "Too Spread Out" (from Space Zombie) Rich Serafin - "Old Worm" (from Naked Monsters) Mono - "16.2" (from Mono - "Walking Cloud And Deep Red Sky, Flag Fluttered And The Sun Shined") Alchemical Radio (show #67) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Kathy Compton - "Rainbow Thunder Shooting Star" Keven Brennan - "The Machine Is Edible, But Not Digestible" Kim - "La Grande Traverse" Larsen - "Vegetable Man" Layne - "671" Liquid Visions - Untitled Lotus - "The Hypnotist" Mango - "Itching In A Thousand Places At Once" Mirror Figure - "Breach" Mystery - "The Inner Journey Part 1" Nothing 2 Declare - "Forgive Me" Nelli Rees - "I Don't Do Good" The Paul Rose Band - "Rise & Shine" Radio Dystopia - "The Planet Lux-Ptah Lounge" Richard Gilpin - "A Man Of 33" The Rick Ray Band - "The Ugly Puppet's Head" Drool Trough (shows #15) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. The Helio Sequence - "Don't Look Away" (from Love And Distance) Replicator - "Alter Status" (from You Are Under Surveillance) Paul Roland - "Dice With The Devil" (from Pavane) The Electric Prunes - "Rosy Made Me Crazy" (from California) The Insane Picnic - "This Is Winter Darkness" (from This Is The Winter Darkness) Tim Burness - "Love Is For Giving" (from Finding New Ways To Love) Mary Newsletter - "Nothing But The Net" (from L'attenzione Debole) The Byron Nemeth Group - "Lightning's Touch" (from 100 Worlds) KMOB - "The Pleasure's Mine" (from Big Broadcast) The Rick Ray Band - "Glass Man" (from Insanity Files) Princess - "Miss Adventures" (from Miss Adventures) Concentric - "Mazar-e-Sharif" (from Concentric) John Frankovic - "You're Telling Me" (from Space Zombie) Josda Dan - "Instant Access" (from Mess_age) Sparky Grinstead - "Cosmic Anarchy" (from Le Bonx) Grayson Wray - "Sun Is Shining Through" (from Picasso's Dream) Aaron Acosta - "Medical" (from Frequency, Amplitude and Time) Years - "Man Overboard" (from Years) http://Aural-Innovations.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Aug 22 11:39:34 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:39:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Remasters?? In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 02:05:42AM +0100 Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 02:05:42AM +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > > Blasphemy indeed! All things considered, the sound of the CD doesn't > > seem so dreadful to me -- but there are a lot of things to be > > considered. I have a vague memory of Al saying that the original tapes > > got quite a lot of wear in the making of the record, though I suppose > > that may not be relevant to the remastering process. > > I would dearly love to hear _Imaginos_ remastered. I find its > thick overcrowded sound and its low volume levels, on CD or on cassette > (have never heard the vinyl) put me off listening to it (after all, If you listen to it on a sufficiently revealing sound system, the sound of the CD isn't so much "thick" as complex and layered. The vinyl sounds rather worse - the album is really too long for a vinyl release, and they had to squeeze the grooves too tightly together. Can't speak for the cassette, although it's just a truism that commerically produced cassette tapes are going to muddy the sound. > Failing that though, I confess that _Spectres_ and > _Mirrors_ are my two least favourite BOC albums (with > _Club Ninja_ wandering around in a kind of > Neptune-Pluto-Charon configuration so that sometimes it's > my least favourite) almost entirely because of the way > they sound, which again I accept is period detail but > which I would love to lose so that the material doesn't > sound so dense and wooly. I think that Spectres is probably the worst mastered BOC album ever. To me it sounds worse (more boomy/muddy) than the debut album, which people have described as sounding like it was recorded on a 4 track recorder buried in sand. :) Which sucks, because Spectres is one of my favorite BOC albums... And did you just describe the sound of _Mirrors_ as dense and wooly? Mirrors is probably the brightest, openest sounding BOC album ever recorded, so much that people have harshed on it for being "too light", and sounding "like a pop album"! :-) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From cosmonaut at ORANGE.NET Sun Aug 22 14:10:37 2004 From: cosmonaut at ORANGE.NET (Spacelard Moothafarkar) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:10:37 -0400 Subject: (off) Spacehead Gig Message-ID: Spacehead are celebrating 10 years of blistering psychedelic spacerock this year, and to start the ball rolling, are playing a special gig on September 11th, at The George Hotel, The Square, Buxton (01298 24711) Lighting will be by Chaos Illumination, and entry is FREE!!!!! More details TBA, check www.spacehead-lab23.co.uk for further announcements. Thankyew. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 23 04:04:16 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:04:16 +0000 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: I have only read two chapters so far, but the detail is great, a lot of it I knew the basics from other books/interviews/articles, but the detail and comments from other bank members etc is great after all these years. It must have taken some pieceing together is all I can say! Well done, can't wait for my next train journey home from London. It almost makes coming to work a pleasure!! I did say almost. Eddie. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Aug 23 04:35:16 2004 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:35:16 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book In-Reply-To: <002801c48754$0b2a7130$fcde2f50@al74ybgib5c6h8> Message-ID: Hi Alan, You wrote, > A final point- am I the only person who liked the Hawkestra? Nah, i bloody loved it, nigh on 4 hours of Hawkwind was awesome.... There were bits I thought were a bit slack, ( to be expected with so many people on stage), But I just loved the whole space ritual set, with the Lemster in full flow, The sonic difference between his set up & ali's was amazing, Lemmy's Bass really did pound the hall. Never got to see Hawkwind with Lemmy back in the 70's as I was too young.( 79 was my first). Therefore any chance of seeing Lemmy & Hawkwind was worth double the ticket price alone... finally there was a reel of Vintage Lemmy HAwkwind film found 2 years ago, that was without the sound... I wonder if one day soon we'd get to see it.... That would just be fantastic. Regards Iain From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 23 04:46:50 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:46:50 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book In-Reply-To: <4129AC44.6000208@aol.com> Message-ID: Iain Ferguson wrote: > Nah, i bloody loved it, nigh on 4 hours of Hawkwind was awesome.... > There were bits I thought were a bit slack, ( to be expected with so > many people on stage), > But I just loved the whole space ritual set, with the Lemster in full > flow, The sonic difference between his set up & ali's was amazing, > Lemmy's Bass really did pound the hall. > Never got to see Hawkwind with Lemmy back in the 70's as I was too > young.( 79 was my first). Therefore any chance of seeing Lemmy & > Hawkwind was worth double the ticket price alone... That pretty much sums up my sense of the Hawkestra: it was great fun in the moment, and it would make a terrible live album. I only have Scott Heller's audience recording, but IMO its chief effect is to show up how half-assed the whole Hawkwind reunion was when you're not being overwhelmed by the experience of Being There. If I want to hear the Lemmeister with HW--well, _Space Ritual_ and _Doremi_ still *rule*. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 23 20:41:45 2004 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:41:45 +0100 Subject: HW:Sonic Assassins book Message-ID: I've tried to write this dispassionately as if I knew nothing about Hawkind but it rambles a bit. Oh what the heck! jill Oh Brave New World that has such musicians in it. A few years ago I was involved in a new-start business - it was such an exciting time. There was a director (formaliser, actuater, realiser, forward thinker, pragmatist); a management team (visionaries, creators, idealists); a workforce that included short-term skilled employees; a business advisor and, of course, clients who had to go away satisfied each time. The initial start-up period was dynamic, full of uncertainty and a sharing of ideals and hopes and fears - each person felt they contributed to the entire whole and that what they did mattered as much as what anyone else was doing. Several years on the company is thriving but things have formalised. Management have closed ranks, the business adviser has gone and the dynamism and interplay of innovative problem-solving activities have been segregated out. Everyone now has their job to do, but that job is bounded not by what is possible but by the limitations imposed on it. In other words the company is a success. This could, of course, break down horribly - the visionary team might no longer trust the director's view; or the director feel he can't rely on his team or both director and team fail utterly to motivate the rest of the workforce who steadily drift off elsewhere. It might grow overlarge and restructure, stagnate and lose its market, or simply dwindle and fade away altogether. So what has this to do with Ian Abrahams' book on the history of Hawkwind? Well everything! Here is an intelligent, carefully crafted, well thought out book written in an easy style that draws you smoothly across the pages, through the chapters and down the years from Ladbroke Grove to Acid House raves in Brixton Academy and it demonstrates that - whether you are in a rock band or any other business enterprise - commercial survival requires leadership (by group or individual), forward thinking, a loyal workforce and constant creativity. For anyone who might still think that the pure artistic principal alone - the desire to create something perfect and beautiful - can transcend all things and all personalities - think again gentle reader. It is not sufficient. If you are expecting a book about the dynamic experience of interacting on stage, the thrill of creating an energy of sound and communicating it to a receptive audience you won't find it here. But neither will you find sordid sensationalism or torrid descriptions of wild drug-crazed out-of-control rock musicians. Riots do get a mention as well as over-indulgent lifestyles and out-of-control characters but the importance of Ian's book is that it unfolds and illuminates an extraordinary cycle of artistically talented people that have flowed through Hawkwind enabling the band to flourish, transform, drift, evolve and keep starting anew creatively. It is an impressive achievement. Crucial moments of the band's career (high and low points) are selected, analysed from both sides by quoted conversations and sometimes include a reasoned comment from Ian taking his viewpoint as the public fan-based audience member. It would have been all too easy to take a high-minded opinionated stand on one side or another of some of the recent issues but Ian has avoided this by leaving judgemental decisions and opinions largely to the reader. Personal and private matters have been studiously avoided except where they have already intruded into the public domain and ultimately what comes across is the interplay of personalities of a wide and varied group of gifted musicians across a period of some 25 years who have come into the band, contributed some of their finest musical creativity under the leadership of Dave Brock, stayed for a while and then moved on. Ian's book is a salutary reminder that every Hawkwind track has embedded within it a contribution from the people who have passed through the band. Each carries its own package of history and every re-presentation wraps the shadows of the past more tightly around it. It must be a constant challenge to contrive a gig that is more than just a stale repetition of classic tracks - anyone can do that - and contain music that has been re-energised, revitalised and renewed. And this theme of renewal occurs many times throughout the book, usually involving the introduction of new members, but also new technology (as happened in the 90s) so that tracks initially written in the 70s can stand today alongside tracks written only a year or so ago. It demonstrates the quality of Brock's leadership and capability of the Hawkwind musicians that they can merge the decades so fluently and craft a timeless live show blending past and present together into something stimulating and new. If there is a weakness in the book it is the lack of creative excitement. Music-making is made to seem very mundane. There are remarkable insights from Richard Chadwick in the section on the 90s music which clearly demonstrate how much time and hard work has to be done between gigs, in this case learning and coming to terms with new technology as well as a new musical culture. With Richard's input Hawkwind met the rave culture head on and did so successfully but somehow the feeling of excitement is nowhere visible although one assumes it must be there otherwise the musicians would not keep playing. There are tales of bad gigs, disastrous events and disappointed talents but few positives, joys or high points. Perhaps good gigs are like good holidays - it was great - Why? - well it was just great, everything worked, the vibe was good - what more is there to say? Whereas disastrous holidays - well there's always a good story to recount over and over again in horror. Is the business of creating successful music so mundane? Only a musician can answer that and I am not one. But ultimately the long term success of a band as in any other kind of business depends on how much people care and what exactly they care about. Motivation, man-management and personalities all come into it but hopefully behind all the characters and the controversy there is the music and if Hawkwind can still craft "lyrically provocative" music forms for people out there to listen to then that's what matters in the end. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 23 20:41:58 2004 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:41:58 +0100 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: It's (believe it or not) now Wheezy Multimedia not Griffin any more. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J Allen To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > Anyone tried Griffin or whatever Rob Godwin trades as these days? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyberkrel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > Actually, no. > > Of course I have forgoten the one obvious thing - that the band might sell > > it exclusively through their website for the first month of release. If > they > > do that, I sincerely hope they let us have it even if noone else gets it - > > for reasons I've stated and justified many times before now. Either way, > > until I know for sure, the search continues...... > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephe Lindas > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:33 PM > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > Did you try NikT records? > > > > > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > > > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed PM 06:36:21 EDT > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside the > > band > > > > knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was > > away > > > > Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all knew > > > > nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > > > > thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this > label > > knew > > > > nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - > even > > > > suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > > > So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed the > > > > "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I await > a > > > > reply. > > > > Now you know............about as much as I do. > > > > Andy G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM > > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > > > > > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > > > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the > > > > single/album? > > > > > > > > > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not > releasing > > > > > directly to iTMS? ;) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Aug 23 23:14:41 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:44:41 +0930 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi Message-ID: What a stupid sounding name for a label..... to me it invokes an image of flatulent A&R personnel in a TB hospital ward. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > It's (believe it or not) now Wheezy Multimedia not Griffin any more. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin J Allen > To: > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > Anyone tried Griffin or whatever Rob Godwin trades as these days? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cyberkrel" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:31 PM > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > Actually, no. > > > Of course I have forgoten the one obvious thing - that the band might > sell > > > it exclusively through their website for the first month of release. If > > they > > > do that, I sincerely hope they let us have it even if noone else gets > it - > > > for reasons I've stated and justified many times before now. Either way, > > > until I know for sure, the search continues...... > > > Andy G. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephe Lindas > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > > > Did you try NikT records? > > > > > > > > > > From: Cyberkrel > > > > > Date: 2004/08/18 Wed PM 06:36:21 EDT > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > > > OK - This is how it goes so far - up to two days ago noone outside > the > > > band > > > > > knew what the new label is - speculation here was rife - while I was > > > away > > > > > Dave foned up all the labels we thought it might be and they all > knew > > > > > nothing about it. Then I was tipped off as to the label. "At last" I > > > > > thought, so I contacted the label. I got a reply to say that this > > label > > > knew > > > > > nothing about the CD at all and had had no contact with the band - > > even > > > > > suggesting another label we hadn't tried. > > > > > So, to prvent tearing out what little hair I have left, I e mailed > the > > > > > "horse's mouth", ie, the Hawks themselves - that was today and I > await > > a > > > > > reply. > > > > > Now you know............about as much as I do. > > > > > Andy G. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > > > > > does anyone know yet what record label is going release the > > > > > single/album? > > > > > > > > > > > > Label? That's, like, so retro, dude! You mean they're not > > releasing > > > > > > directly to iTMS? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > > From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 24 01:41:17 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:41:17 -0700 Subject: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles In-Reply-To: <00fb01c486a0$32301dc0$2c694254@tinyfofzplfq> Message-ID: http://www.designtoscano.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1477&ite mType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=nature KevinSommers From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue Aug 24 05:13:10 2004 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:13:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles Message-ID: > > Subject: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:41:17 -0700 > From: Kevin Sommers > hmmm.... there's a resemblance, especially with the hair - which is a mirror view in a way .... http://www.deans-inter.net/mike/music/hawkwind/thumbs/ritual.gif http://www.designtoscano.com/images/us/local/products/viewlarger/NG31240_vl.jpg Ketil, Bergen flying is trying is dying > > > emType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=nature> > http://www.designtoscano.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1477&ite > mType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=nature > > KevinSommers From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 24 11:30:39 2004 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:30:39 -0700 Subject: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles In-Reply-To: <412B06A7.F7FF7349@fiskaren.no> Message-ID: And more Mucha: http://www.nymuseum.com/Mucha%20Museum/Mucha%20Pages/salambo.htm http://www.nymuseum.com/Mucha%20Museum/Mucha%20Pages/byzantine.htm -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:13 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles > > Subject: HW: Inspired by an artist who inspired Barney Bubbles > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:41:17 -0700 > From: Kevin Sommers > hmmm.... there's a resemblance, especially with the hair - which is a mirror view in a way .... http://www.deans-inter.net/mike/music/hawkwind/thumbs/ritual.gif http://www.designtoscano.com/images/us/local/products/viewlarger/NG31240_vl. jpg Ketil, Bergen flying is trying is dying > > > 477&it > emType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=nature> > http://www.designtoscano.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1477&ite > mType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=nature > > KevinSommers From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 24 12:52:35 2004 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:52:35 -0400 Subject: New Single? Paging Mr. Garibaldi In-Reply-To: <001e01c48988$7f2ab780$3acb8890@homer> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:44:41PM +0930, Muad'Dib wrote: > [Wheezy Multimedia] What a stupid sounding name for a label..... to me it invokes an image of > flatulent A&R personnel in a TB hospital ward. Well, appropriate enough, given where HW got their name :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 25 10:49:11 2004 From: Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM (Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:49:11 EDT Subject: TRADING Message-ID: Hi all As most of us know Hawkwind requested a ban on trading, and Neo Quark as much as died overnight. It was at this point I joined BOC-L, I read the posts to keep up with the news etc, etc. However I have never noticed any mention of trading BOC, is this allowed? are other groups about, that do trade? Please let me know direct Take Care Graham From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Aug 25 10:59:43 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: TRADING Message-ID: >>> Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM 8/25/2004 10:49:11 AM >>> Hi all As most of us know Hawkwind requested a ban on trading, and Neo Quark as much as died overnight. It was at this point I joined BOC-L, I read the posts to keep up with the news etc, etc. However I have never noticed any mention of trading BOC, is this allowed? are other groups about, that do trade? Please let me know direct I don't know if B?C have an 'official' policy on taping, but I do know that plenty of stuff circulates, and I've seen tapers in action at B?C concerts. Granted, I haven't seen them in over a year, so that could have changed... theo From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 25 11:15:21 2004 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:15:21 +0000 Subject: TRADING Message-ID: I presume this is not allowed officially either, as bootleg recordings always were discorouged. Most true fans though would only trade with other fans to build up a collection of what is not available on official release, whereas a minority would sell them at record fairs and effectively take money from the bands. I can honestly say I have never sold any unofficial recording, but did buy a couple initially when staarting my collection. I was actually considering tackling the task of transferring all of my 200 odd HW tape recordings onto CD, before the tapes deteriorate too much to play. I know some people are doing a similar thing with video to DVD, but would think this is permitted as it is for private use to preserve what you already have. Luckily I built up my collection since 1979 and pretty much have all I want. Now all I have to decide is whether to copy all the analogue recordings onto pc and burn onto disc or from my cassette deck onto a cd recorder? I know someone on the list did me a Music Machine '77 cleaned up copy onto CD a few years ago which is excellent, but I think my attempts will be a very basic tape to CD copy in order to preserve them. Any tips welcome. Eddie. >From: Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: TRADING >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:49:11 EDT > >Hi all >As most of us know Hawkwind requested a ban on trading, and Neo Quark as >much as died overnight. It was at this point I joined BOC-L, I read the >posts to >keep up with the news etc, etc. >However I have never noticed any mention of trading BOC, is this allowed? >are other groups about, that do trade? >Please let me know direct > >Take Care > >Graham Want to rent a quality villa in the Algarve? http://ejdvillas.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 25 16:32:46 2004 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:32:46 -0400 Subject: Show of the year Message-ID: Greetings from Space... Strange Trips has announced that NIK TURNER will be touring the US with the Atlanta band SPACESEED and the amazing SOLAR FIRE LIGHTSHOW! They will be coming to Cleveland, OH on Oct. 9th for a show at the Phantasy Nite Club. Also making a special guest appearance at the Cleveland show will be HARVEY BAINBRIDGE! This evening will be in the tradition of the past STRANGE DAZE FESTIVALS that brought so many of us together a few years ago and should not be missed as it may very well prove to be the show of the year! Details of this show and Nik's tour are now available on: http://www.strange-trips.com where advance tickets for the Cleveland show can be ordered via PayPal. Hope to see everyone there! ;-) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 26 10:55:18 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus - The Cartoon Croydon, Saturday August 28th Message-ID: Hi all, A few changes to this gig: Firstly, the "headliners" Motley Crued have cancelled so the line-up is now Litmus plus DJs. Secondly, the gig is now FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! There will be a lightshow courtesy of Big Dave and his shining things. Scorching heavy psychedelic rock (plus Simon's "women's pants!") for free; what more could you want????? http://www.thecartoon.co.uk See you there! Colin From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 26 11:49:15 2004 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:49:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus - The Cartoon Croydon, Saturday August 28th Message-ID: Ok, we can offer something more! Anyone enthusiastic enough come to this gig and the one with Arthur Brown at the Underworld on September 3rd will have the chance to win a signed copy of the new Litmus album "You Are Here". Just pick up a flyer at the Cartoon and hand it in at the Litmus CD stand (ie: to me!) at the Underworld to enter the draw. Colin From ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET Thu Aug 26 15:09:50 2004 From: ianabrahams at FSMAIL.NET (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:09:50 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins Message-ID: Thanks to Dave and Steve (fine gentlemen, both!) for their kind reviews. Hope you don't mind me posting the links here, guys: http://www.starfarer.net/iabook.html http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/bookreview.htm And a very generous mention from Mike Moorcock, here: http://www.multiverse.org/posts1258-start0.html Ian -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Aug 26 16:38:01 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:38:01 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UmU6ICBCT0M6ICBSb25kaW5lbGxpIHF1aXRz?= Message-ID: Blabbermouth is reporting that Bobby quit BOC to concentrate on the Lizards. Anybody know any more about this? --Nick From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Aug 26 17:28:31 2004 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:28:31 -0400 Subject: Sonic Assassins Message-ID: I just received my book in the mail today!! My wife called me at work and told me that it had arrived. I'm looking forward to a good read tonight. After reading the online reviews, my mouth is watering!!!!!! Dan From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Aug 26 17:54:34 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:54:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: Rondinelli quits In-Reply-To: <200408262038.i7QKc15U6138982@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: > Blabbermouth is reporting that Bobby quit BOC to concentrate on the Lizards. > Anybody know any more about this? Here is the post I received from the Riot list I'm on: <<>> I know this doesn't add much, but how many times does a rumor have to appear on the internet to be true? Anyone know anything about the "Lizards"? Hmmmm, empty drum seat anyone? Brad From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 26 18:08:58 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:08:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rondinelli quits Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:54:34 -0600, dahl at AROS.NET wrote: >Here is the post I received from the Riot list I'm on: > ><<they will be touring the UK this fall.Is this true..anyone know anything? >Also the Bobby Rondinell left BOC to to be part of the Lizards full >time.>>> > >I know this doesn't add much, but how many times does a rumor have to >appear on the internet to be true? > >Anyone know anything about the "Lizards"? > >Hmmmm, empty drum seat anyone? Interesting ... they're scheduled to play the big local amphitheater next sunday (5 september) with Deep Purple/Thin Lizzy/etc. Sam Adato, proprieter of San Francisco's best (only?) drum shop is a long- time acquaintence of Bobby, so perhaps I should drop by and ask him ... the shop's only about six blocks from my workplace. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Aug 26 22:41:12 2004 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:12 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBCT0M6ICBSb25kaW5lbGxpIHF1aXRz?= Message-ID: I checked out the Lizards on the Web one time, can't remember the URL, but I'm sure a quick Google search would find it. I actually liked what I heard quite a bit. --Nick >Anyone know anything about the "Lizards"? > >Hmmmm, empty drum seat anyone? > >Brad From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Aug 27 05:54:57 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:54:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: drum tabs? In-Reply-To: <1093557274.412e5c1a7d0b4@secure.aros.net> Message-ID: dahl at AROS.NET wrote: > Hmmmm, empty drum seat anyone? Speaking of drums, does anyone know where to scrounge up any BOC or HW drum tabs (or failing that, MIDI files). I've been messing around with drum programming for the purposes of home recording, and never having had any drum instruction (despite occasionally being called on to whack along for jam sessions) I've been drifting around the web hunting down drum tabs for songs with patterns and fills that I like just to learn how they're put together in a structural sort of way. But I can't find any HW drum tab (not so surprising! ;) not any BOC drum tab (rather more surprising). Some of Simon King's drumming seems so blindingly unsubtle :) in that blangablangablanga kinda way that I'm actually having trouble zeroing in on the reproducing the feel :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 27 06:58:30 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:58:30 +0100 Subject: HW: BURG HERZBERG 17.07.2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > Related to HW, Bevis Frond did headline Friday night, playing after > Bari Watts' Outskirts of Infinity and Denmark's On Trial, and Adrian > Shaw was outstanding on bass (as to be expected). A second guitarist > now, and a new drummer (from what I remember in the US four or five > years ago). And Jethro Tull was pretty darn good too, but it seemed > weird for them to be there, all this big money and 'professionalism' > (if you will) amidst a festival without any sense of 'sh*ttogetherness.' How were Outskirts of Infinity? I've seen them twice now, once with a scratch line-up with Nick on bass and which was very loose but quite a lot like seeing Band of Gypsies live, I'm guessing, and certainly the closest I'll ever get. The second time Rick Gunther was doing his first gig sober for twenty years, and this was an occasion for much celebration, and I don't know who the bass player was but with him on board the band was a completely different animal. The rhythm section just muscled through everything at impressive speed, the tunes were all being carried by the bass and Bari was left to go stratospheric for the whole set. It was great, almost ideally designed for the way I hear music, lowe registers from the neck down, guitar for the head... Anyway, since they as far as I know haven't played between these two gigs, did they continue toi kick arse or did I just catch them at the right time? The extra Frond members are Paul Simmons of The Alchemysts and one of the many bands called Nova Express (this one having his girlfriend (I think) on vocals and playing a kind of acid-fried Tori-type folk) as well as Scorched Earth in the studio. I don't really think he does anything in the Frond, except free Nick up to play more soloes, but I'd rather see Nick pushed a bit, as he rallies wonderfully. The stage interplay is quite good though. The new drummer, after Andy Ward's various problems became sufficient to stop him from playing live, is a man called Jules Fenton and I don't know what he does otherwise. He doesn't half hit things hard though. I don't know what the line-up is on the new album, but given how disheartened Nick seemed to be with the whole thing in the mail-out whith which he announced it, we should all buy it and send him messages of encouragement whatever it's like... Hope all that's information, anyway, yours, Jon ObCD: Clutch - _Transnational Speedway League_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Aug 28 09:36:40 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:36:40 -0400 Subject: HW: ordering from Hawkwind, part II Message-ID: Ok, 2nd attempt. I would like to find out if a particular item is still available direct from Hawkwind. I have checked the official Hawkwind web page, and it points to some online retail outlets (which do not sell said video). I also can't find contact info for the band. Does anyone know if they still do direct sales? Thanks! -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Aug 28 10:02:40 2004 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:02:40 +0200 Subject: ordering from Hawkwind, part II Message-ID: Hello, If you go to www.hawkwind.com and go to latest news,I think you can still order the "Spaced Out In London" cd. Also a t-shirt (not sure about this).No video,no,but were in the dvd age now,aren't we? You can't actually contact the band through e-mail (well you can but that's not obvious and it's doubtful if they respond.Dave and co. have other things to do than answering fan-stuff,like making music,no offence). Kris & Dave promised me years ago to inventory the stuff they have lying around,but still no luck,so? For buying stuff the best sources are still CDservices in Scotland,ebay and doing record-faires,mate (oh,and not forgetting a considirable amount of money ;-)) Well I haven't helped you much,haven't I,but this are really the facts,there isn't more. greetings the hawknut p.s.:what do you mean with particular item? Maybe I can help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Swann" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: HW: ordering from Hawkwind, part II > Ok, 2nd attempt. > > I would like to find out if a particular item is still > available direct from Hawkwind. I have checked the official > Hawkwind web page, and it points to some online retail > outlets (which do not sell said video). I also can't find > contact info for the band. > > Does anyone know if they still do direct sales? > > Thanks! > > -- > Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make > swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Aug 28 11:10:54 2004 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:10:54 -0500 Subject: ordering from Hawkwind, part II Message-ID: Ordering from the band has always been a somewhat risky venture. Since handling mail order isn't something they specialize is, and that they do themselves, the level of organization is a bit below par. I'm still waiting (six months later) for a T-shirt which is unlikely to ever arrive. Still, at least the money has gone to a good cause. John Majka > Ok, 2nd attempt. > > I would like to find out if a particular item is still > available direct from Hawkwind. I have checked the official > Hawkwind web page, and it points to some online retail > outlets (which do not sell said video). I also can't find > contact info for the band. > > Does anyone know if they still do direct sales? > > Thanks! > > -- > Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make > swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From info at MACDIGITAL-UK.COM Sat Aug 28 13:40:21 2004 From: info at MACDIGITAL-UK.COM (ralph) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:40:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rondinelli quits Message-ID: Bobby Rondinelli is leaving after the BOC gig on Sept 26 at Sayreville, NJ - seems like he'd rather do the Pat Travers tour with the Lizards than play the bar circuit with BOC.... Who'll replace him? Well, there was one bloke who helped them out for a couple of weeks when they were stuck for a drummer back in 85 - perhaps he should chuck his hat (or Godzilla mask) into the ring ...? (just for a week or two, for auld langs syne...after all, he already knows the songs...) :-) From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Aug 28 18:47:18 2004 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl at AROS.NET) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:47:18 -0600 Subject: BOC: Rondinelli quits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Who'll replace him? We can dream, can't we? Bobby is one of the all time great rock drummers. I've seen BOC twice with him and feel that he wasn't the right drummer for them anyway. Maybe he feels the same. When they opened with RU Ready 2 Rock last month (here in fabulous Utah), it was the most lethargic version of the tune I've ever heard. Luckily the glucosamine kicked in about the 6th song (Shooting Shark) and they got off the deck and tore it up for the rest of the show. I thought Bobby's playing with Rainbow and Black Sabbath was spetacular (not to mention him tearing it up on the Riot and Rondinelli albums) and his playing with BOC was rather plodding and lethargic. Hopefully they can get someone who is really interested in making the songs sound good and infusing some energy into the shows. Brad From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 28 23:12:36 2004 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:12:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 29, 2004): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #110), Alchemical Radio (show #68), Drool Trough (show #16), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #33). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: General Playlist (show #110) Alientar - "Music Box" (from Alientar) The Invisible Band! - "Sports Model" (from It's Music, Jim. But Not As We Know It) Quarkspace - "Reality Resumed (All Stars Shine)" (from Node In Peril) A Five And Dime Ship - "Burnin Chrome" (from The Way It All Would End) Electric Blackbird - "Killing A Nickel" (from Electric Blackbird) Marble Sheep - "The Drop" (from For Demolition Of A Spiritual Framework) Earthloop - "Illumination" (from Grounded) Skye Klad - "Mary Magdalene" (from The Musick of Cupid's Orkustra Asleep Within the Magick Powerhouse of Oz) The Wire Orchestra - "Generations Come Before" (from The Wire Orchestra) Kyron - "What I Know" (from Persistence of Secrets) Alchemical Radio (show #68) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Grip Inc. - "Endowment Of Apathy" Enzima - "Vegetable Man" Van & Borner - "Mystic" Essence - "Nascent" Going Some Place - "Haunted Garden" Liquid Visions - "What It Is" Fixer - "What Do You Want From Me" Layne - "La Fin" Arms Of Kismet - "Karma Never Forgets" Album - "Holy Foley" Barry Lamb & Peter Ashby - "Ermin Grud" Bugo - "Vegetable Man" Art Of Infinity - "Supernova" Radio Dystopia - "A New Wonder" Stef & Arno - "Loco" Drool Trough (shows #16) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. David Thomas & Two Pale Boys - "New Orleans Fuzz" (from 18 Monkeys on a Dead Man's Chest) African Underground - Simon (Bis Bi Klan) Chagga (from African Underground Vol 1: Hip-Hop Senegal) A Five And Dime Ship - "Reoccurring Girl" (from A Five And Dime Ship) 9 on Bali - "The Ballad of Tony & Angel" (from Gist EP) Verdun - "Nightfall" (from Verdun) Deathsquad - "Corporate Daughter" (from Vague Memory and Self Assassinations) Traindodge - "The Taste Of Broken Glass" (from The Truth) Monster Movie - "Sweet Lemonade" (from To The Moon) The Frenchmen - "Like The Weather" (from Sorry We Ruined Your Party) Highspire - "Vesperbell" (from Your Everything) Gazelle - track 4 (from Gazelle) Sunday Night Midnight - "Platypus n' Boots" (from Who In The World Could Possibly Give A Rats Ass?) Blow Up Hollywood - "Fake" (from Fake) Lope - "Panik" (from Variation) Rich Serafin - "Old Worm" (from Naked Monsters) Stellarscope - "All For" (from Fingerpaint The Colour Of Sound) Panophonic - "Perdido" (from Todo Es Azul: Lo Mejor De Mi) Tunnels - "Wall To Wall Sunshine" (from Live: The Art Of Living Dangerously) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #33) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we review at Aural Innovations. Black Forest/Black Sea - live at Tchai-Ovna Tearoom, Glasgow (from Radiant Symmetry) Urdog - "DMZ" (from Garden of Bones) Dave Tucker West Coast Project - "SoMa" (from Tenderloin) Ernesto Diaz-Infante & Chris Forsyth - "On A Morning Five Years Ago (Touched My Trembling Ears)" (from As Is Stated... Before Known) Miba - "Weird Birds" (from The Corporate Porblem) Heath Yonaites & K.M. Krebs - "Foreign Scents" (from The Seed Project) George W. Self - "A Jungle Of Sharp Elbows" (from A Jungle Of Sharp Elbows) Concentric - "Allocate" (from Concentric) Greg Segal - "Part Three" (from The Hero As Pantry) The Goslings - "Summer For Spring" (from Spaceheater) Aaron Acosta - "Fire Study Song" (from Frequency, Amplitude and Time) http://Aural-Innovations.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Aug 28 23:12:51 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:12:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: Hey folks, Is anyone coming to the sf Worldcon this week (boston, this year. see http://www.noreascon.org/ for details)? (next year, of course, it'll be in Glasgow. Now if only HW went on tour in the UK around the time of the con ;-) ) ...and hey, didn't HW play at a Brighton worldcon? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 29 08:25:20 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:25:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Henderson Keith wrote: > JonJ relates... > > >I had no idea what to expect from Nektar, as I'd only discovered > >minutes before I got in that they weren't German > > Yeah, they're all UK natives, but the band was formed and based in > Germany (originating in Hamburg at that famous Star Club I think, > just like the Beatles) :) from their formation in c. 1970 until > sometime around 1976 when they migrated to New Jersey, where all > but Roye Albrighton (who is still in the UK) continue to live. > So lots of people consider them part of the 'krautrock movement' > even though none of them are German. Yup, I learnt this from album sleeves as I pondered which to buy, so I wasn't completely surprised by it when they came on stage. > "Down to Earth," the circus-based concept album, where Calvert is > 'ringmaster.' The album is spotty, but Calvert's bits are fun and > I like "Nelly the Elephant." Which perhaps they played live for you? I don't think so, no, but I wouldn't have known it of course. Nothing with obviously connected lyrics that I remember. > Yeah, that one is consistently good throughout and "Desolation Valley" > is one of my favourite Nektar tracks. The very first album, "Journey > to the Centre of the Eye," which is now available in that 5.1 sound > format on CD (plays normally on a regular stereo system, so it's a > "hybrid" disc), is the true Space-rock album from Nektar. A classic. > I wish they would play some songs from that one (esp. Dream Nebula). They had the 5.1 version on sale, or rather I think an SACD with conventional CD layer and a 5.1 version as bonus material. Actually this is what you describe, isn't it, ignore me. But I'm pretty sure they did play `Dream Nebula', or at least something with those words in. If that helps? > >Keyboards, played apparently by a Welsh hobbit, > > :) > > He has the strangest accent of any person I've ever heard. I can only > understand about every fifth word! I thought he was from Liverpool, > hearing some similarities to other Liverpudlians I've heard (Lister > from Red Dwarf is one, yeah?), but perhaps north(?)* Wales is just a > more extreme version of this bizarre accent. ? Welsh and Scouse (colloq. term for Liverpudlian) are some way off from each other to my ears, even where the vowel sounds are similar the intonation in Scouse is much more scathing and less lilting than Welsh. But I come from nearer the relevant places of course. > *He doesn't sound like Terry Jones, who I use as a Welsh example, but > then I don't know what part of Wales Jones hails from. For all purposes of accent, Terry Jones is from Oxford. His accent has nothing of Wales about it to me at all. He was born in Colwyn Bay along the north coast of Wales, but it doesn't seem to have left any mark on him. > Anyway, his name is Allan Freeman, but he goes by "Taff." (Isn't there > another Allan Freeman who is a DJ in the UK somewhere? At one point, > I thought maybe it was him, but since Freeman lives in NJ, it couldn't > be.) `Taff' is usually a nickname for a Welshman too, so this was why I wasn't surprised by his accent and why I think it was Welsh. The other Alan Freeman, known more widely as `Fluff' (because he's always at the end of a gramophone needle, I suspect this line has aged rather with digital media) is still around, but is much taller, more cadaverous and whiter of hair than Nektar's keyboardist (who is none of these things :-) ). I did also wonder when I saw the name though. > I thought he did pretty well with the digital stuff. Granted, it was > better at Burg Herzberg '03, when he had his 'real' keyboards, but then > he was also low in the mix, so mainly he was prominent just in the quieter > parts. Is this a strategy of theirs then, or just that his amps aren't as good as the stringsmen? The album I have isn't mixed that way... > I like the current PT just as much as the old PT, but in a different way, > as they are now seriously metallized (poor Barbieri has almost nothing > to do now) and hardly any psychedelia remains in the mix. But Wilson > is still a good songwriter, and as long as he keeps the sappy choral > vocals to a minimum, and doesn't do any more of that string orchestration > (as on Lightbulb Sun), he's still got my interest. And now Adrian Belew > will be contributing to the new PT album, so we'll see where that goes. Meanwhile I discover to my complete surprise that Mr Wilson has an entire new album out under the name of Blackfield, which is a collaboration with an Israeli named Aviv Geffin. I've got the CD Services mailout about it which seems to pitch it as an even more song-based PT-style album. This does not immediately make me leap to get it; has anyone else heard it to comment? > >Now, someone tell me what I missed, OK? Yours, > > You mean the encore? "Fidgety Queen" perhaps. An ok song...from that > "Down to Earth" album. No, I meant what I'd missed from BOC, about whose shows there has seemingly still been nothing posted except from Southampton. It's either a telling sign of how suddenly fandom can die or someone is not speaking out... I believe the Nektar encore, from the look of their website which suggests that they play all of _Tab In the Ocean_ in gigs these days, must have been `Crying in the Dark', which I don't remember from the main set. So in that xcase, if I missed it I at least took it home with me :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Love in Space_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Aug 29 10:09:38 2004 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:09:38 -0400 Subject: ordering from Hawkwind, part II In-Reply-To: <000501c48d07$aeb743b0$f670a451@filip>; from Filip.Vanhuyse@PANDORA.BE on Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:02:40PM +0200 Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:02:40PM +0200, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > greetings > the hawknut > > p.s.:what do you mean with particular item? Maybe I can help Well, I don't have the email address that the band used to accept order from, it doesn't sem to be on the web page, perhaps they've removed it? All the merchandizing links now point to major retailers, none of which have the item I want. But anyway, this is the video I'm looking for. 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 Assault & Battery The Golden Void Treadmill Interview (Brock & Bainbridge) Wind of Change Time We Left Heads Time We Left Needle Gun The Golden Void Ejection Brainstorm Your Secret's Safe With Me Brainstorm Wings Out of The Shadows Snake Dance Night of the Hawk Eons TV Suicide Blue Shift Back in the Box Hassan I Sabha Images Reefer Madness I would purchase it in any format that it's available in. I have a friend with a dual PAL/NTSC deck that I could dub a PAL video from, if it came down to that. -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sun Aug 29 16:18:41 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:18:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Arin Komins : > Hey folks, > > Is anyone coming to the sf Worldcon this week (boston, this year. see > http://www.noreascon.org/ for details)? I'll be there Saturday. Mainly becauise my band, the New England Guitar Circle (http://www.necircle.com) is playing! 5-6pm and 6:30-7:30pm, we're in the program. Stop by and say hi! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 29 18:57:16 2004 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:57:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mean Fiddler/OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: <410F5368.2070604@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > As I said to Chris Warburton at the time, "I haven't > > had to mosh in 9:8 since Porcupine Tree were interesting!", which is a > > little unfair perhaps as I haven't seen the current PT lineup and they > > might for all I know be positively fascinating, and in any case the > > section I meant transpires to actually be in 4:4 with a very clever guitar > > line, but I quote myself anyway just to give you the impression I was > > getting second-hand. > > If I remember aright, there's a bit of the Spiritual Beggars' "Monster > Astronauts" that _is_ in 9/8 (guitar line more cool than clever), but I > digress .... Very moshable, though :) And there's Porcupine Tree's `Signify', unless that's 7:8 but that's what I was thinking of, and the midsection of Disarray's `As the Fog Descends' but overall there isn't really enough of it. That's what I think, anyway. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Mothers of Invention - _Uncle Meat_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Aug 29 20:11:29 2004 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:11:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mean Fiddler/OFF: Ficton & Nektar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Aug 2004, at 23:57, Jon Jarrett wrote: > And there's Porcupine Tree's `Signify', unless that's 7:8 but > that's what I was thinking of, and the midsection of Disarray's `As the > Fog Descends' but overall there isn't really enough of it. That's what > I > think, anyway. Oh, and I think bits of Corrosion of Conformity's "Long Whip/Big America" slip in and out of 11/8, but hey ... 4/4 will usually do the job :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Aug 30 08:49:16 2004 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:49:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rondinelli quits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph wrote: > Bobby Rondinelli is leaving after the BOC gig on Sept 26 at > Sayreville, NJ - [...] > Who'll replace him? Well, I read that John Miceli (BOC drummer on various occasions in the '90s) may be available. He's left Meatloaf's band and has recently played on one of Brian May's projects. I saw him play with BOC at Utica, NY on the 1996 tour and he did an amazing job. Brian From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Aug 30 10:11:21 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:11:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: <20040829161841.3xv54okkogw0oogw@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, David Kuznick wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon : :Quoting Arin Komins : : :> Hey folks, :> :> Is anyone coming to the sf Worldcon this week (boston, this year. see :> http://www.noreascon.org/ for details)? : :I'll be there Saturday. Mainly becauise my band, the New England Guitar Circle :(http://www.necircle.com) is playing! 5-6pm and 6:30-7:30pm, we're in the :program. Stop by and say hi! : That's the one as advertised as being students of robert fripp? I'll definitely drop by! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Aug 30 10:31:33 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:31:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Arin Komins : > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, David Kuznick wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon > : > :Quoting Arin Komins : > : > :> Hey folks, > :> > :> Is anyone coming to the sf Worldcon this week (boston, this year. see > :> http://www.noreascon.org/ for details)? > : > :I'll be there Saturday. Mainly becauise my band, the New England Guitar > Circle > :(http://www.necircle.com) is playing! 5-6pm and 6:30-7:30pm, we're in the > :program. Stop by and say hi! > : > > That's the one as advertised as being students of robert fripp? I'll > definitely drop by! Yup! We just had a monster practice session last night (my aching back!) and are rarin' to go! I'll be the one in the beige poker cap (ATLARGE) and Sandman shirt. Unless we all decide to dress as Borg, which would also be a good Guitar Craft inside-joke (we're all Robert Fripp clones, ya know ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Aug 30 10:46:06 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:46:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: <20040830103133.9v9wssc8wkw0k4ss@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, David Kuznick wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon : :> That's the one as advertised as being students of robert fripp? I'll :> definitely drop by! : :Yup! We just had a monster practice session last night (my aching back!) and :are rarin' to go! I'll be the one in the beige poker cap (ATLARGE) and Sandman :shirt. Unless we all decide to dress as Borg, which would also be a good Guitar :Craft inside-joke (we're all Robert Fripp clones, ya know ;-) heh. OK. I'm occasionally of fan of the crafty sound (I quite liked the league of crafty guitarists, and liked earlier california guitar trio and misc friends), so I actually already had that concert on my to do list for worldcon ;-) ) Although....how long is the set supposed to be? You are listed as being on at 6:30 and I also wanted to try to get decent seats for the Hugos at 8 ;-) (sorry for the terribly offtopic, folks ;-) ) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Aug 30 11:07:44 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Arin Komins : > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, David Kuznick wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon > : > :> That's the one as advertised as being students of robert fripp? I'll > :> definitely drop by! > : > :Yup! We just had a monster practice session last night (my aching back!) > and > :are rarin' to go! I'll be the one in the beige poker cap (ATLARGE) and > Sandman > :shirt. Unless we all decide to dress as Borg, which would also be a good > Guitar > :Craft inside-joke (we're all Robert Fripp clones, ya know ;-) > > heh. OK. I'm occasionally of fan of the crafty sound (I quite liked the > league of crafty guitarists, and liked earlier california guitar trio and > misc friends), We're actually opening for the CGT at the Playloft at the Lowell Brewery on November 3rd. http://www.newears.org/ > so I actually already had that concert on my to do list for > worldcon ;-) ) Cool! > Although....how long is the set supposed to be? You are listed as being > on at 6:30 and I also wanted to try to get decent seats for the Hugos at 8 > ;-) The one from 5:30-6:30 is likely gonig to be quite informal, kind of like amplified busking, so you can likely just drop by whenever. The 5-6 set will likely be a much more formal affair. > (sorry for the terribly offtopic, folks ;-) ) Like that's anything new for this list (and hey, it's a major science-fiction convention. How off-topic can that be? :-) Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to bring it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Aug 30 11:26:33 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:26:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: <20040830110744.zmn8kwsswkkos4w8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Quoting David Kuznick : > > The one from 5:30-6:30 is likely gonig to be quite informal, Ack, that should have been 6:30-7:30. > kind of like > amplified busking, so you can likely just drop by whenever. The 5-6 set will > likely be a much more formal affair. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Aug 30 12:08:05 2004 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:08:05 -0500 Subject: HW: David A Hardy In-Reply-To: <2464442A-FA19-11D8-ABC8-000D934FE160@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Just in case anyone else is attending Worldcon in Boston this coming week. David A Hardy the space artist who did the back cover art for Hall of the Mountain Grill, and also bunches of slides HW have used for projections in the past is being interviewed, and is on some of the panels. Rich From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Aug 30 12:54:53 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:54:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400, David Kuznick wrote: > Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to bring > it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond > Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John > McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! No no, you go via Fripp & Eno, since Eno was all over Calvert's first 2 solo albums! Stephan From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Aug 30 13:21:40 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Stephan Forstner wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon : :On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400, David Kuznick : wrote: : :> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to bring :> it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond :> Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John :> McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! : :No no, you go via Fripp & Eno, since Eno was all over Calvert's first 2 :solo albums! For an even more tenuous link: Norman Spinrad has played on and off with Heldon, who has a song named In the Wake of King Fripp (dedicated to Fripp and Eno). Hawkwind's The Iron Dream, was likely inspired by the Spinrad book of the same name ;-) Arin (fount of stupid science fiction trivia, but leaves the music trivia mostly to folks like Doug and Jon, who know far more than I do ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 30 18:07:43 2004 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:40 -0500, Arin Komins wrote: >On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Stephan Forstner wrote: > >:Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon >: >:On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400, David Kuznick >: wrote: >: >:> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to bring >:> it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond >:> Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John >:> McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! >: >:No no, you go via Fripp & Eno, since Eno was all over Calvert's first 2 >:solo albums! ... and Paul Rudolph was all over three of Eno's first four solo albums. >For an even more tenuous link: > >Norman Spinrad has played on and off with Heldon, who has a song named In >the Wake of King Fripp (dedicated to Fripp and Eno). That's a fascinating piece of trivia I did not know! I like Heldon, but I've hardly heard all their stuff. But what I REALLY want to know is, what band has J.G. Ballard (HW-links: author of 'High Rise' [did anyone who heard the Spirits Burning version notice the PETA-unfriendly nod to the first/last scenes of that book?] and 'The Drowned World', which refers to more than one "City Of Lagoons") worked with? (None, AFAIK; the closest link is that his 'Atrocity Exhibition' was published by Re/Search, former publishers of 1977-era Bay Area punk fanzine "Search And Destroy".) >Hawkwind's The Iron Dream, was likely inspired by the Spinrad book of the >same name ;-) Too bad that one wasn't accompanied by a depiction of Bob fighting nazis on mars! Would've fit well with his combat fatigues / aviator helmet look ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Mon Aug 30 18:29:01 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (Paul Eaton-Jones) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:29:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And Simon King played on Eno's 'Here Come The Warm Jets On Monday, Aug 30, 2004, at 23:07 Europe/London, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:40 -0500, Arin Komins > wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Stephan Forstner wrote: >> >> :Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon >> : >> :On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400, David Kuznick >> : wrote: >> : >> :> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to >> bring >> :> it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond >> :> Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John >> :> McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! >> : >> :No no, you go via Fripp & Eno, since Eno was all over Calvert's >> first 2 >> :solo albums! > > ... and Paul Rudolph was all over three of Eno's first four solo > albums. > >> For an even more tenuous link: >> >> Norman Spinrad has played on and off with Heldon, who has a song >> named In >> the Wake of King Fripp (dedicated to Fripp and Eno). > > That's a fascinating piece of trivia I did not know! I like Heldon, > but > I've hardly heard all their stuff. > > But what I REALLY want to know is, what band has J.G. Ballard > (HW-links: > author of 'High Rise' [did anyone who heard the Spirits Burning version > notice the PETA-unfriendly nod to the first/last scenes of that book?] > and 'The Drowned World', which refers to more than one "City Of > Lagoons") > worked with? (None, AFAIK; the closest link is that his 'Atrocity > Exhibition' was published by Re/Search, former publishers of 1977-era > Bay > Area punk fanzine "Search And Destroy".) > >> Hawkwind's The Iron Dream, was likely inspired by the Spinrad book of >> the >> same name ;-) > > Too bad that one wasn't accompanied by a depiction of Bob fighting > nazis > on mars! Would've fit well with his combat fatigues / aviator helmet > look ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > This email and all attachments have been scanned by Kingston > Communications' > email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > > > > From youless at COX.NET Mon Aug 30 21:19:16 2004 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:19:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: There's a more obvious one, well, more obvious to non-Bay Area folks, I suppose. Joy Division had a number called 'Atrocity Exhibition' on their second album, 'Closer'. IIRC it was quite as unlistenable as the original J.G.Ballard story was unreadable. Going completely off topic here, I have vol 8/9 of Re/Search, which was the J.G.Ballard issue, having bought my copy in City Lights bookshop (SF) twenty years ago. Much to my surprise, over the weekend I saw a few copies of it *still* on sale at my local, er, "Psychic Eye Bookshop". I only went there to buy some patchouli!! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:43 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >But what I REALLY want to know is, what band has J.G. Ballard (HW-links: >author of 'High Rise' [did anyone who heard the Spirits Burning version >notice the PETA-unfriendly nod to the first/last scenes of that book?] >and 'The Drowned World', which refers to more than one "City Of Lagoons") >worked with? (None, AFAIK; the closest link is that his 'Atrocity >Exhibition' was published by Re/Search, former publishers of 1977-era Bay >Area punk fanzine "Search And Destroy".) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Aug 30 22:18:46 2004 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:18:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Doug Pearson : > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:40 -0500, Arin Komins > wrote: > >On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Stephan Forstner wrote: > > > >:Subject: Re: OFF: worldcon > >: > >:On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0400, David Kuznick > >: wrote: > >: > >:> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link to bring > >:> it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in The Graham Bond > >:> Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous interview with John > >:> McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! > >: > >:No no, you go via Fripp & Eno, since Eno was all over Calvert's first 2 > >:solo albums! > > ... and Paul Rudolph was all over three of Eno's first four solo albums. The sad thing is during my first BOC-L tenure, I would have known both of those facts off the top of my head. > > >For an even more tenuous link: > > > >Norman Spinrad has played on and off with Heldon, who has a song named In > >the Wake of King Fripp (dedicated to Fripp and Eno). > > That's a fascinating piece of trivia I did not know! I like Heldon, but > I've hardly heard all their stuff. Most of it is quite good (I think I like Allez Teia best), though you need a taste for noodling and repetition. Unfortunately, I've found Richard Pinhas' (Mr. Heldon himself) recent stuff on the dull side. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Aug 31 12:12:22 2004 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:12:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: >For an even more tenuous link: > >Norman Spinrad has played on and off with Heldon, who has a song >named In the Wake of King Fripp (dedicated to Fripp and Eno). > >Hawkwind's The Iron Dream, was likely inspired by the Spinrad book >of the same name ;-) You can get a much tighter Hawkwind -> Heldon/Pinhas link via Gong: Hawkwind->Tim Blake Tim Blake->Gong Gong->Francis Moze (played bass/keys on Flying Teapot and Gazeuse) Francis Moze->Magma (played bass/keys on the 1st 2 Magma albums) Magma->Heldon/Pinhas - lots of cross-pollination here: Jannick Top, Klaus Blasquiz, Bernard Paganotti, and Patrick Gauthier all appeared on Heldon/Pinhas albums, and Pinhas returned the favor on solo works from Gauthier, Top, and Weidorje's Jean-Philippe Goude. >Unfortunately, I've found Richard Pinhas' (Mr. Heldon himself) recent >stuff on the dull side. It has been pretty bland. The Fossil Culture collaboration with Frohmader was an exception though. Another exception seems to be the last Heldon album 'Only Chaos is Real', but the officially available mp3s of that one sounded quite ... dire. Mostly because of the vocals. I think Spinrad appeared on it. Does anyone here actually own that one? Stephan From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Aug 31 12:32:46 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:32:46 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 28 Aug 2004 to 29 Aug 2004 (#2004-212) Message-ID: > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:47:18 -0600 > From: dahl at AROS.NET > Subject: Re: BOC: Rondinelli quits > > > Who'll replace him? > > We can dream, can't we? > > Bobby is one of the all time great rock drummers. I've seen > BOC twice with him and feel that he wasn't the right drummer > for them anyway. Maybe he feels the same. Puh-leeze - he's adequate, he plays drums better than I ever could, but "all time great"???? His lacklustre playing was a big factor in why BOC were so lame at the Astoria last year (probably the worst show I've seen 'em do - in 28 years). So lame that I went to see Nektar instead this year! > When they opened with RU Ready 2 Rock last month (here in > fabulous Utah), it was the most lethargic version of the tune > I've ever heard. Luckily the glucosamine kicked in about the > 6th song (Shooting Shark) and they got off the deck and tore > it up for the rest of the show. I thought Bobby's playing > with Rainbow and Black Sabbath was spetacular (not to mention > him tearing it up on the Riot and Rondinelli albums) and his > playing with BOC was rather plodding and lethargic. OK, I jumped the gun a bit, but if you can't play great when the material is so good, and the template was set by Albert... > > Hopefully they can get someone who is really interested in > making the songs sound good and infusing some energy into the shows. Hear ****ing hear - and maybe whover steps in will give the other guys a good boot up the rear too! Here's hoping for a much improved London visit in 2006 (or sooner?) ChrisW (Can't you tell I've had a sh*tty day!) NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Aug 31 12:36:42 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:36:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: worldcon Message-ID: >From: Arin Komins >Subject: OFF: worldcon >Is anyone coming to the sf Worldcon this week (boston, this year. see >http://www.noreascon.org/ for details)? I'd love to (always meant to go to Beantown again) - but alas, I'm skint as usual, so it's bonny Scotland again (Outer Hebrides this time) > (next year, of course, it'll be in Glasgow. Now if only HW went > on tour in the UK around the time of the con ;-) ) That's another matter, but since my wallet will be recovering from a family wedding in Canada, I may be out of luck again... >...and hey, didn't HW play at a Brighton worldcon? IIRC, yes Cheers ChrisW NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Aug 31 12:46:57 2004 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:46:57 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon Message-ID: > Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link > to bring it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in > The Graham Bond Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous > interview with John McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! Better yet - Baker->Bruce->Zappa->Belew->Fripp and we stay in music rather than words There may even be a more direct route, but I can't come up with it right now... ChrisW NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Aug 31 12:57:41 2004 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:57:41 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 28 Aug 2004 to 29 Aug 2004 (#2004-212) Message-ID: >>> CWarburton at OAG.COM 8/31/2004 12:32:46 PM >>> > > Bobby is one of the all time great rock drummers. I've seen > BOC twice with him and feel that he wasn't the right drummer > for them anyway. Maybe he feels the same. Puh-leeze - he's adequate, he plays drums better than I ever could, but "all time great"???? His lacklustre playing was a big factor in why BOC were so lame at the Astoria last year (probably the worst show I've seen 'em do - in 28 years). So lame that I went to see Nektar instead this year! Nothing 'lacklustre' about his playing whatsoever. Maybe a bit slick and predictable for my taste, and granted, maybe not an all-time great, but he's a very solid musician. Do you think he would have lasted several years with B?C if Buck thought otherwise? > When they opened with RU Ready 2 Rock last month (here in > fabulous Utah), it was the most lethargic version of the tune > I've ever heard. Luckily the glucosamine kicked in about the > 6th song (Shooting Shark) and they got off the deck and tore > it up for the rest of the show. Maybe you caught a bum gig? I've seen B?C with Bobby on many occasions, and he's been great, ably doing justice to the material... I thought Bobby's playing > with Rainbow and Black Sabbath was spetacular (not to mention > him tearing it up on the Riot and Rondinelli albums) and his > playing with BOC was rather plodding and lethargic. OK, I jumped the gun a bit, but if you can't play great when the material is so good, and the template was set by Albert... > There you have it. Nobody really can follow Albert. He's totally unique, and he IS one of the all-time greats. And, Bobby is a good enough drummer to the extent of the band not expecting him to merely ape Albert's parts, much as Rick Downey did... > Hopefully they can get someone who is really interested in > making the songs sound good and infusing some energy into the shows. Hear ****ing hear - and maybe whover steps in will give the other guys a good boot up the rear too! Here's hoping for a much improved London visit in 2006 (or sooner?) Heh, are you sure you want to see them again? theo From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 31 14:58:39 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:58:39 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon Message-ID: Here's one: Baker - Tim Blake -Bill Bruford (played in Gong briefly along with Blake) - Fripp Dave -----Original Message----- From: CWarburton at OAG.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 31 August 2004 18:09 Subject: Re: OFF:Worldcon >> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link >> to bring it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in >> The Graham Bond Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous >> interview with John McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! > >Better yet - Baker->Bruce->Zappa->Belew->Fripp and we stay in music >rather than words >There may even be a more direct route, but I can't come up with it right >now... >ChrisW >NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 31 15:01:34 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:01:34 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon Message-ID: Or closer to (Hawkwind) home Baker - Brock-House-Bowie-Fripp Dave -----Original Message----- From: CWarburton at OAG.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 31 August 2004 18:09 Subject: Re: OFF:Worldcon >> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link >> to bring it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in >> The Graham Bond Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous >> interview with John McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! > >Better yet - Baker->Bruce->Zappa->Belew->Fripp and we stay in music >rather than words >There may even be a more direct route, but I can't come up with it right >now... >ChrisW >NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 31 15:08:13 2004 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:08:13 +0100 Subject: OFF:Worldcon Message-ID: Or another two unsuspected connections; Baker-Clapton-Page-Al Stewart-Fripp (Al and Fripp being best of mates - check out the Al biog) Baker-Brock-House-Barbieri/Wilson-Fripp (aka Hawkwind-Japan-Porcupine Tree) Dave -----Original Message----- From: CWarburton at OAG.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 31 August 2004 18:09 Subject: Re: OFF:Worldcon >> Let's see. There is likely a Ginger Baker->Robert Fripp link >> to bring it on topic. Aha, got it. John Mclaughlin was in >> The Graham Bond Organisation, and Robert did a pretty famous >> interview with John McLaughlin in Musician magazine in 1982. Ta-da! > >Better yet - Baker->Bruce->Zappa->Belew->Fripp and we stay in music >rather than words >There may even be a more direct route, but I can't come up with it right >now... >ChrisW >NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). Whilst all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Aug 31 15:20:22 2004 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:20:22 -0500 Subject: OFF:Worldcon In-Reply-To: <005901c48f8c$87e5e340$76a54e51@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, dave hall wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF:Worldcon : :Here's one: :Baker - Tim Blake -Bill Bruford (played in Gong briefly along with Blake) - :Fripp huh. I didn't know that. Did Bruford last long enough to play on any gong albums? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Aug 31 15:50:41 2004 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Muad'Dib) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 05:20:41 +0930 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 28 Aug 2004 to 29 Aug 2004 (#2004-212) Message-ID: > Nothing 'lacklustre' about his playing whatsoever. Maybe a bit slick > and predictable for my taste, and granted, maybe not an all-time > great, but he's a very solid musician. Do you think he would have > lasted several years with B?C if Buck thought otherwise? Is Buck the leader of Boc? Hohoho hahahaha hehehehe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 28 Aug 2004 to 29 Aug 2004 (#2004-212) > >>> CWarburton at OAG.COM 8/31/2004 12:32:46 PM >>> > > > > Bobby is one of the all time great rock drummers. I've seen > > BOC twice with him and feel that he wasn't the right drummer > > for them anyway. Maybe he feels the same. > > Puh-leeze - he's adequate, he plays drums better than I ever could, but > "all time great"???? > His lacklustre playing was a big factor in why BOC were so lame at the > Astoria last year (probably the worst show I've seen 'em do - in 28 > years). So lame that I went to see Nektar instead this year! > > Nothing 'lacklustre' about his playing whatsoever. Maybe a bit slick > and predictable for my taste, and granted, maybe not an all-time > great, but he's a very solid musician. Do you think he would have > lasted several years with B?C if Buck thought otherwise? > > > > When they opened with RU Ready 2 Rock last month (here in > > fabulous Utah), it was the most lethargic version of the tune > > I've ever heard. Luckily the glucosamine kicked in about the > > 6th song (Shooting Shark) and they got off the deck and tore > > it up for the rest of the show. > > Maybe you caught a bum gig? I've seen B?C with Bobby on many > occasions, and he's been great, ably doing justice to the material... > > > I thought Bobby's playing > > with Rainbow and Black Sabbath was spetacular (not to mention > > him tearing it up on the Riot and Rondinelli albums) and his > > playing with BOC was rather plodding and lethargic. > > OK, I jumped the gun a bit, but if you can't play great when the > material is so good, and the template was set by Albert... > > > There you have it. Nobody really can follow Albert. He's totally > unique, and he IS one of the all-time greats. And, Bobby is a good > enough drummer to the extent of the band not expecting him to > merely ape Albert's parts, much as Rick Downey did... > > > > > Hopefully they can get someone who is really interested in > > making the songs sound good and infusing some energy into the shows. > > Hear ****ing hear - and maybe whover steps in will give the other guys a > good boot up the rear too! Here's hoping for a much improved London > visit in 2006 (or sooner?) > > Heh, are you sure you want to see them again? > > theo > From paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK Tue Aug 31 17:05:27 2004 From: paul at IMRRYR.KAROO.CO.UK (Paul Eaton-Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:05:27 +0100 Subject: Calvert documentary. Message-ID: Does anyone one the list know how the proposed Channel 4 documentary on Bob Calvert (apparently expanded to include Hawkwind) is progressing? 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