From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Nov 1 06:57:55 2003 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 06:57:55 -0500 Subject: Exeter 25th October Message-ID: In general I'm pretty cautious about being in the front at any show just because it tends to be the most physically dangerous place to be. Granted, Hawkwind has a tendency to draw a somwhat more sedate audience such that I don't really expect a "pit" to develop, but I've had uniformly bad experiences at the front. This opinion may be unduly influenced by a single person who seems inevitably toshow up at all Chicago area HW shows, go to the front, and generally cause trouble. I'm sure others probably remember this person as well. I particularly remember in 1995 at the Park West, standing right in front of the stage while this guy shouted and whistled at maximum volume pretty much nonstop for the entire show, to the annoyance of everyone nearby. He was flailing around as well, knocking into people, and at some point said to me, "You don't look like you're having fun," and he grabbed my arms and raised them over my head and flailed them around against my will for probably ten minutes... other people got similar treatment. I remember the same character right next to me at the Strange Daze 1998 show where all the same behavior ensued, except this time people were more pissed off and would give him a good shove any time he got too close. Of course this precipitated some minor fighting and eventually the guy was seemingly removed. At the same show it seemed like fans were extraordinarily territorial as well. At one point when I was knocked into by the above mentioned fellow, I was jostled two feet to my left where the gentleman behind me took my shoulder and informed me that he had been standing at the front of the stage for hours waiting for Hawkwind and wasn't going to have his spot taken by a newcomer! As if I hadn't been there for hours as well... *sigh* it was very much a "can't win" situation. In general, I've found that it isn't necessarily the most hardcore fans one finds at the front... it's mainly the most aggressive ones. Mainly these days I don't even bother troubling myself but just try to get a good view in a comfortable area. In some ways the issue is reminiscent of many punk/indie rock bands I've seen. All the scenesters/mohawk kids etc gravitate toward the front, while the fans of the band are lurking shyly somewhere near the back. A sad state of affairs. John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > I always find in these "smaller" venues you're better off near the front. It > took alot of persuading to get Andrea up there as she gets panicky > normally,( I mean at OTHER gigs) but at Hawkwind, everyone seems to respect > each others space. The novices seem to gravitate towards the back! I felt > very out of place? People obviously didn't have much idea about what they > were about to see.... I'm glad (VERY) that I moved to stage left?? > Wonderful!!Al. > > > >From: Colin J Allen > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:17:15 -0000 > > > >The new material is there, it is just not allowed out to play yet:). > > > >It was a bit of an odd gig; the promoters (Future Sound of Exeter) put on > >regular events at the Phoenix and try to get an eclectic (and full) > >line-up; > >I also thought that the guitarist in the bar band was very good, although I > >thought that Dbkaos was the guy in the hall before Hawkwind went on; the > >band in the bar were (I think) Sembalance with the Iconoclast. The food at > >the Phoenix was worthy of mention as was the lovely, lovely (and virtually > >unique) mixing desk; it was just such a pity that they kept such a careful > >eye on the latter after the gig:(. Now that I would not have minded > >lifting > >and pushing to the van! > > > >Colin > > > > > > > >Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any > >legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. > >Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of > >valid information. You use the information contained in this message at > >your > >own risk. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jill Strobridge" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:42 PM > >Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > > > > > > > There ought to be a page at Mission Control just for the roadies and > > > all > > > > those fine individuals who work so hard behind the scenes to make the > > > gigs > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - there definitely should. I must confess to a twinge of guilt > > > sometimes when I leave a venue and look back at the stage - empty of > > > people but piled high with equipment - knowing that some poor folks have > > > still got to dismantle all that lot and pack it away before the evening > > > is really over. > > > > > > Anyhow I finally introduced my sister and her family to a Hawkwind gig - > > > Hawkwind People here are my relatives - Relatives this is Hawkwind. > > > Thankfully it seemed to go ok - no Damascenian conversions sadly - the > > > neices have been too brought up on mainstream I'm afraid but the eldest > > > has learned how to get work at Glastonbury (thank you Merrick!) so her > > > horizons might broaden a bit and everyone seemed to enjoy the > > > experience. > > > > > > A strange mixture of a gig though - there was a DJ in the main hall > > > right up until Hawkwind played, with a very trippy visual show but not > > > much else by way of inspiration. The support band (who > > > were.........?dbChaos) set up in a tiny cramped corner of a smallish bar > > > space and the lead guy played (to my ear) some fairly decent guitar. > > > But it was very very packed and everyone was standing on everyone else > > > so there wasn't much room to hang around and socialise never mind relax > > > and listen. Everyone managed to squeeze into the main hall - > > > just -but there was no way I was ever going to see much of the stage so > > > it was a question of watching the lights (which were flashy and dramatic > > > but clearly not the Chaos Lightshow - it was a real shame about their > > > computer failure) and listening to the sound - which was good and > > > powerful without being excessively loud - very well balanced. I found > > > it difficult to separate out the different guitars (but then I don't > > > have the ear of experience) but thought that overall it had a nice > > > depth and surroundsound feel to it and certainly everyone around me was > > > having a wonderful time! > > > > > > I'm (selfishly) glad there wasn't much new material but I confess I was > > > expecting more - in fact I was expecting a lot more! Where has it > > > gone then?? > > > > > > Anyhow - hi to everyone I met - everyone I recognised and didn't know > > > the name of, everyone I would have known the name of but didn't > > > recognise and everyone for whom I managed to get both right. > > > > > > Ah dear - signs of senility......... > > > jill > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jill Strobridge > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 1 07:19:29 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:19:29 -0500 Subject: Exeter 25th October Message-ID: Hawkwind is the only band I go to the front for. Only because most of the folks are around my age and don't need to act like Buffoons to enjoy the show. I never got to experience the guy your talking about. If someone grabbed my arms I think there would be trouble. I'm not a big guy but thats BS. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > In general I'm pretty cautious about being in the front at any show just > because it tends to be the most physically dangerous place to be. Granted, > Hawkwind has a tendency to draw a somwhat more sedate audience such that I > don't really expect a "pit" to develop, but I've had uniformly bad > experiences at the front. This opinion may be unduly influenced by a single > person who seems inevitably toshow up at all Chicago area HW shows, go to > the front, and generally cause trouble. I'm sure others probably remember > this person as well. I particularly remember in 1995 at the Park West, > standing right in front of the stage while this guy shouted and whistled at > maximum volume pretty much nonstop for the entire show, to the annoyance of > everyone nearby. He was flailing around as well, knocking into people, and > at some point said to me, "You don't look like you're having fun," and he > grabbed my arms and raised them over my head and flailed them around against > my will for probably ten minutes... other people got similar treatment. I > remember the same character right next to me at the Strange Daze 1998 show > where all the same behavior ensued, except this time people were more pissed > off and would give him a good shove any time he got too close. Of course > this precipitated some minor fighting and eventually the guy was seemingly > removed. At the same show it seemed like fans were extraordinarily > territorial as well. At one point when I was knocked into by the above > mentioned fellow, I was jostled two feet to my left where the gentleman > behind me took my shoulder and informed me that he had been standing at the > front of the stage for hours waiting for Hawkwind and wasn't going to have > his spot taken by a newcomer! As if I hadn't been there for hours as > well... *sigh* it was very much a "can't win" situation. In general, I've > found that it isn't necessarily the most hardcore fans one finds at the > front... it's mainly the most aggressive ones. Mainly these days I don't > even bother troubling myself but just try to get a good view in a > comfortable area. In some ways the issue is reminiscent of many punk/indie > rock bands I've seen. All the scenesters/mohawk kids etc gravitate toward > the front, while the fans of the band are lurking shyly somewhere near the > back. A sad state of affairs. > John Majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > > I always find in these "smaller" venues you're better off near the front. > It > > took alot of persuading to get Andrea up there as she gets panicky > > normally,( I mean at OTHER gigs) but at Hawkwind, everyone seems to > respect > > each others space. The novices seem to gravitate towards the back! I felt > > very out of place? People obviously didn't have much idea about what they > > were about to see.... I'm glad (VERY) that I moved to stage left?? > > Wonderful!!Al. > > > > > > >From: Colin J Allen > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:17:15 -0000 > > > > > >The new material is there, it is just not allowed out to play yet:). > > > > > >It was a bit of an odd gig; the promoters (Future Sound of Exeter) put on > > >regular events at the Phoenix and try to get an eclectic (and full) > > >line-up; > > >I also thought that the guitarist in the bar band was very good, although > I > > >thought that Dbkaos was the guy in the hall before Hawkwind went on; the > > >band in the bar were (I think) Sembalance with the Iconoclast. The food > at > > >the Phoenix was worthy of mention as was the lovely, lovely (and > virtually > > >unique) mixing desk; it was just such a pity that they kept such a > careful > > >eye on the latter after the gig:(. Now that I would not have minded > > >lifting > > >and pushing to the van! > > > > > >Colin > > > > > > > > > > > >Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any > > >legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes > only. > > >Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form > of > > >valid information. You use the information contained in this message at > > >your > > >own risk. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jill Strobridge" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:42 PM > > >Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Exeter 25th October > > > > > > > > > There ought to be a page at Mission Control just for the roadies and > > > > all > > > > > those fine individuals who work so hard behind the scenes to make > the > > > > gigs > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - there definitely should. I must confess to a twinge of guilt > > > > sometimes when I leave a venue and look back at the stage - empty of > > > > people but piled high with equipment - knowing that some poor folks > have > > > > still got to dismantle all that lot and pack it away before the > evening > > > > is really over. > > > > > > > > Anyhow I finally introduced my sister and her family to a Hawkwind > gig - > > > > Hawkwind People here are my relatives - Relatives this is Hawkwind. > > > > Thankfully it seemed to go ok - no Damascenian conversions sadly - the > > > > neices have been too brought up on mainstream I'm afraid but the > eldest > > > > has learned how to get work at Glastonbury (thank you Merrick!) so her > > > > horizons might broaden a bit and everyone seemed to enjoy the > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > A strange mixture of a gig though - there was a DJ in the main hall > > > > right up until Hawkwind played, with a very trippy visual show but not > > > > much else by way of inspiration. The support band (who > > > > were.........?dbChaos) set up in a tiny cramped corner of a smallish > bar > > > > space and the lead guy played (to my ear) some fairly decent guitar. > > > > But it was very very packed and everyone was standing on everyone else > > > > so there wasn't much room to hang around and socialise never mind > relax > > > > and listen. Everyone managed to squeeze into the main hall - > > > > just -but there was no way I was ever going to see much of the stage > so > > > > it was a question of watching the lights (which were flashy and > dramatic > > > > but clearly not the Chaos Lightshow - it was a real shame about their > > > > computer failure) and listening to the sound - which was good and > > > > powerful without being excessively loud - very well balanced. I > found > > > > it difficult to separate out the different guitars (but then I don't > > > > have the ear of experience) but thought that overall it had a nice > > > > depth and surroundsound feel to it and certainly everyone around me > was > > > > having a wonderful time! > > > > > > > > I'm (selfishly) glad there wasn't much new material but I confess I > was > > > > expecting more - in fact I was expecting a lot more! Where has it > > > > gone then?? > > > > > > > > Anyhow - hi to everyone I met - everyone I recognised and didn't know > > > > the name of, everyone I would have known the name of but didn't > > > > recognise and everyone for whom I managed to get both right. > > > > > > > > Ah dear - signs of senility......... > > > > jill > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Jill Strobridge > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 1 13:34:38 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:34:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: moe. covered "Godzilla" on Halloween Message-ID: I just read this on another list I'm on. I know moe. have covered BOC in the past, so this is no surprise. I wonder how their version of Maiden's "The Trooper" sounded? I'll have to hunt down this show... Cheers, Paul. ----- Forwarded message from "Mark D. White" ----- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:18:46 -0500 From: "Mark D. White" Subject: moe.'s Halloween setlist (NMC) To: EMULE at LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG For those who don't know, moe. did a metal show last night -- here's the setlist: Later, Mark -------------------------- Enter Sandman (Jim, Rob) Metallica > Meat Breaking the Law (al.) Judas Priest Stranger Than Fiction Sweet Leaf (Jim) Black Sabbath > Akimbo The Trooper (Jim) Iron Maiden Threw It All Away Unchained (Rob) Van Halen Faker > Reboob Godzilla The Ghost of Ralph's Mom Shout at the Devil (Rob) Motley Crue Encore Beth (Rob) Kiss Flying High (al.) Ozzy Osbourne Seat of My Pants ----- End forwarded message ----- From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 1 21:22:13 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:22:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: October 2003 Issue Online + New Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 2003 ISSUE + NEW RADIO SHOWS The October 2003 issue (#25) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Progressive rock and Jazz. See the index of this issue's contents below. This issue brings together all the reviews and articles that appeared on the What's New page in the past quarter. The October 2003 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Eric Wallack reviews and interview Hawkfest 2003 coverage and photo gallery Finkenbach 2003 coverage and photo gallery Fuzzfest II coverage Sulphur Sonic Festival 2003 coverage Woronzow ?Summer Pudding' 2003 coverage and photo gallery Riffs That Rocked The Galaxy Raymond Franks: 1957-2003 (Obituary + music reviews) Nostra-Rogus: Shaman Of The Vacuum Goddess Live Recordings and Shows Recent Releases from Strange Attractors Audio House Recent Releases from Camera Obscura Recent Releases from Ektro Records Releases from Sireena Records Recent Releases from HalTapes Releases from Owl Head Man Music Recent Releases from Circumvention Music Releases from Intangible Cat Recent Releases from IMCR Records Releases from Musea/Gazul Recent Releases from Magna Carta And loads of reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue25/issue25.html MAIL ORDER: I'm trimming the fat from the mail order catalog, which means there's lots of great stuff that hasn't been selling so I'm offering them at clearance prices. Great prices on music by Spacehead, ST 37, Escapade, Judge Trev, Heavy Liquid, Mushroom, W.O.O. Revelator, World Of Tomorrow, Joseph Benzola and more. I also lowered the prices on items already on the clearance page so look them over and take a chance on something different at cheap prices. Go to our catalog page and click the Clearance Sale link: http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html New Aural Innovations Radio Show. You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio show #91: General Playlist Marcel van Dam - "Space Church" (unreleased) Drunken Gunmen - "We Are Visitors To Your Galaxy" (from Deep Space, Distant Future) Alpha Omega - "The Eye Trilogy" (from Live At Australis 2002) Cyrille Verdeaux - "Claire de Lune" (from Nocturnes Digitales) When - "The Greatest Sorrow On Earth" (from The Lobster Boys) Sun Zoom Spark - "Seventh Space Dream This Week" (from Electricity) Majik Cat - untitled (from Live at the Horseshoe) Cul de Sac - "First Victim" (from The Strangler's Wife) Widescope - "Camel Race" (from Shouting In The Desert) Gavan Kearney - "Innerspaceage" (from 3-song CDEP) Blue Drift - "The Eighth Room" (from Cobalt Coast) The Spacious Mind - "Sunchild" (from Cosmic Minds At Play) All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 1 22:52:37 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:52:37 -0000 Subject: Pissed warblings Message-ID: Hi all, I'm very drunk again. Back after two weeks in Tennessee (y'all) Despite there being two kinds of music I really hate (Country *and* Western), I managed to rock out like a ba*tard at a a couple of pub gigs in Nashville. Anyway, I'm off to buy a banjo. (After the guys in the instrument shop in Dollywood let me let rip on a Mandolin, I'll never be allowed near one of those b***ards ever again.) I suppose that's what you get for tuning your instrument to the same as a violin, and letting an Albert Hall fiddler turn up... Anyway, y'all (y'all) See y'all soon... (I did manage to Cheers, Rich. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 1 23:16:10 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:16:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Pissed warblings In-Reply-To: <035d01c3a0f4$c1f85e50$0100a8c0@NoddyHolder> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:52:37AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: => Back after two weeks in Tennessee (y'all) [[...]] => Anyway, y'all (y'all) => => See y'all soon... As a Brit living in the American South for many a year now, I have learned one important grammatical lesson: Y'all = singular All y'all = plural Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 2 09:15:36 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:15:36 -0500 Subject: Harvey gigs Message-ID: Hi Folks, Anyone planning on going to see any of the upcoming Harvey gigs? If you don't know about it check the dates out here. http://harvey.strange-trips.com/tour.htm For those who have seen him before will know what an amazing show he puts on. Backed with Solar Fire lightshow it should be cosmic. Those who attended Strange Daze 00 and 01 can verify this. Also the recent Sunderland gig with MQB. I only wish I could be going. If he comes to your area, then you don't want to miss this. Cheers Stephe From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 2 09:46:32 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:46:32 +0100 Subject: HW: MQB/Xmas combo? Message-ID: Hey Folks... Was just curious as to whether there were any Geordies and/or Scots(wo)men looking to do a double Xmas concert experience with MQB in Sunderland on Sat. 20.12 and HW at Astoria 21.12. Particularly somebody with their own vehicle who had extra space. I guess I won't be leaving Europe quite yet (at least one more year in der Schweiz!) and won't go home for the holidaze either, so I'm thinking of trying to make both shows to make another SleasyJet flight to my favorite town, aka Luton, again worthwhile. But I haven't made up my mind quite yet. New out in the local CD shop is a DVD of the Pretty Things doing the SF Sorrow rock opera in 1998 (presumably a 30-year anniversary of same), along with guest appearances by Dave Gilmour & Arthur Brown, if Dick Taylor himself weren't enough of a Hawkwind connection to begin with. Anyway, I was hoping when I picked it up off the shelf that it was some amazing uncovered old document from the original time of recording, but instead it's this recent gig. I haven't decided whether it's worth risking 39 Swiss Francs on anyway. Well, if anyone has seen it, maybe they'd like to comment. I was listening to the album the other day, and was thinking that perhaps "Old Man Going" would be an interesting song for Hawkwind to try. And perhaps AB has some recent experience with it? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I got the Amon Duul II video DVD from 1968...hmmm...interesting bit of psychedelic madness, but it's only 25 minutes, and not shot so well (and for a spell it's out of sync with the music, which is maddening). The packaging is confusing...it looks like a digipack CD, with the identical artwork as Phallus Dei, the only difference being that it is B&W (and grey) as opposed to dark blues and such. And it says 'Play' Phallus Dei. From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 2 12:27:49 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:27:49 -0000 Subject: HW: NIK: Exeter Part Two Message-ID: Exactly one week on from a storming Hawkwind gig at the Phoenix Arts Centre, Exeter and we're back in town again for Nik Turner's Space Ritual. I don't do more than one or two gigs at most per year - but this last month kicked off with Killing Joke in Bristol a couple of weeks back, the Hawkwind and Nik shows in Exeter - and in the middle of the this week a detour to Plymouth for the Waterboys (a sort of Folk Rock filling for our Space Rock sandwich). So, you know the form - meet up, get some food, a have a beer etc etc. Unlike last week, there's no Nick Lee - so tonight the "Alien 4" are core members Alan Linsley and Ian Abrahams, with semi-regular Stuart Miller and special guest Chris Purdon (hope I got that right, Chris). Oh, Space Ritual - for the interested - are Turner, Ollis Senior and Ollis Junior, Slattery, Crimble, Anderson, "John the Ghost" and the rather cute "Angel". Didn't really know what to expect, having not seen these guys play together before and early signs are little worrying. When we arrived last week, the Phoenix was absolutely buzzing with anticipation and a sell-out crowd. This week at 8pm there are a few people who've popped in for supper and a couple of Hawkwind t-shirts wandering around. I was think it a little sad how poorly in comparision are the attendances for "related" bands, Motorhead aside. The crowd gets a little better, but honestly not great. Stu guesses it at 150 but I'd think that a little optimistic. Which, as it turns out, is a bit of a shame as Space Ritual are really rather good at what they do. Which is to say, its a Nik Turner spotlight which some fairly competent supporting musicians. And its good to hear a few numbers that I've not heard Hawkwind play live and which they are pretty unlikely to ever include again. Set, roughly, is: Ghost Dance Born to Go Watching the Grass Grow Sonic Savages Brainstorm D-Rider Time Flight (?) Orgone Accumulator Master of the Universe Ejection Silver Machine Might have missed a couple (AL?) but they are all pretty extended jams and filled the evening out nicely. Very authentic feel of what early 70s HW might have been like, complete with a couple of dogs-on-strings wandering around the hall and barking at the wrong moments, like Nik's flute intro to D-Rider (he *can* make more than the discordant blowing that was most of his HW contributions at times - he's actually really very good to listen to) - a number that I particularly enjoyed despite the woofing! Nik had the usual thistle alien head piece and entered for the first number through the crowd - when he did this last time I saw him with HW he had to barge his way through, this time it was more of a gentle wander around. A cheer for the dancer, she was very entertaining - plenty of costume changes and she was on stage for most of the set. So, Hawkwind it aint by any stretch - particularly after last weekend's blinder, but on a pulled together basis (Stu asks on the way up how much Nik rehearses - I laugh so much there's nearly a bad accident) I thought these guys pretty proficient and very worth a look. A fun evening, I'd certainly see them again if the chance comes around. Took the chance to have a quick word with Nik after the show, he seemed pretty happy and on good form. Ian From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 2 13:26:25 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: Harvey tour dates so far Message-ID: HARVEY BAINBRIDGE'S DNA LOUNGE TOUR w/ The Solar Fire Lightshow (ENGLAND & BELGIUM DATES) Nov. 7th - Leeds, England - Royal Park Cellars 39 Queens Road, Leeds, West Yorkshire Info: 0113 274 1758 Nov. 8th - Hastings, England for Bonfire Night * Private Party Nov. 14th - Felixstowe, England - Lix's Bar 7 Sea Road, Felixstowe Info: 01 394 273 414 Nov. 18th - Verviers, Belgium - Spirit of '66 Place Du Martyr 16 B4800 Verviers, Belgium From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sun Nov 2 14:20:10 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:20:10 -0500 Subject: Pissed warblings In-Reply-To: <035d01c3a0f4$c1f85e50$0100a8c0@NoddyHolder>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:52:37AM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:52:37AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Despite there being two kinds of music I really hate (Country *and* > Western), I managed to rock out like a ba*tard at a a couple of pub gigs in > Nashville. Yah, I've heard Nashville has quite the non-CW scene too. > Anyway, I'm off to buy a banjo. Oh oh. Stay tuned for the bluegrass cover of Spiral Galaxy... Finger pickin' good! (Call me a sick puppy, but I'd actually like to hear that...) > (After the guys in the instrument shop in > Dollywood let me let rip on a Mandolin, I'll never be allowed near one of > those b***ards ever again.) If you like Indian music, check out U. Srinivas. Absolutely bitchin' mandolin player. Of late, he's been touring with John McLaughlin et al in Remember Shakti. F**k what a show that was! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 2 18:24:08 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:24:08 -0000 Subject: MQB/Xmas combo? Message-ID: tell me about it. For the last week or so I've been muttering imprecations against not only the Greater but any or all of the Lesser gods who might happen to be in charge of general gig-booking and life-timetabling arrangements (there has to be a god-in-charge-of-timetables doesn't there(?) or perhaps I just have to settle for the influence-in-charge-of-coincidences both benign and malign). It would have been theoretically possible to do MQB in Sunderland on Saturday and Hawkwind on Sunday but by the time the MQB gig was announced I'd already booked accommodation in London for Saturday night and wasn't planning to come back up north again. So - much as I would love to catch MQB again I regret that this isn't going to happen. Nor will I be travelling by car - putting my faith and trust in the fact that all the leaves will have long fallen and that with global warming there will be no snow - so I shall be buying a train ticket! I shall come and shall choose to do what I came to do - but it will be in London I'm afraid and not Sunderland. Hope to see you somewhere around! cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: HW: MQB/Xmas combo? > Hey Folks... > > Was just curious as to whether there were any Geordies and/or Scots(wo)men > looking to do a double Xmas concert experience with MQB in Sunderland on > Sat. 20.12 and HW at Astoria 21.12. Particularly somebody with their own > vehicle who had extra space. I guess I won't be leaving Europe quite yet > (at least one more year in der Schweiz!) and won't go home for the holidaze > either, so I'm thinking of trying to make both shows to make another > SleasyJet flight to my favorite town, aka Luton, again worthwhile. But I > haven't made up my mind quite yet. > > New out in the local CD shop is a DVD of the Pretty Things doing the SF > Sorrow rock opera in 1998 (presumably a 30-year anniversary of same), along > with guest appearances by Dave Gilmour & Arthur Brown, if Dick Taylor > himself weren't enough of a Hawkwind connection to begin with. Anyway, I > was hoping when I picked it up off the shelf that it was some amazing > uncovered old document from the original time of recording, but instead it's > this recent gig. I haven't decided whether it's worth risking 39 Swiss > Francs on anyway. Well, if anyone has seen it, maybe they'd like to > comment. I was listening to the album the other day, and was thinking that > perhaps "Old Man Going" would be an interesting song for Hawkwind to try. > And perhaps AB has some recent experience with it? > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. I got the Amon Duul II video DVD from 1968...hmmm...interesting bit of > psychedelic madness, but it's only 25 minutes, and not shot so well (and for > a spell it's out of sync with the music, which is maddening). The packaging > is confusing...it looks like a digipack CD, with the identical artwork as > Phallus Dei, the only difference being that it is B&W (and grey) as opposed > to dark blues and such. And it says 'Play' Phallus Dei. > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Nov 3 09:18:59 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:18:59 -0000 Subject: HW: CotBS DVD Message-ID: Forgive me if this turns out to be a rehash, but... Got said DVD on Saturday (thanx Helen) - and quite enjoyed it, never having seen the Hawks perform this show, but what's with the sound? The overall quality ain't to bad, but I only got slightly more than f*ck-all out of the left hand channel except on the "Needle Gun Promo" which promptly blew me off my bean-bag with the sudden arrival of said channel at full whack. Anybody else found this? Cheers ChrisW From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 3 12:31:47 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:31:47 -0000 Subject: CotBS DVD In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D20602669939@uk01ex01.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: No problem with my copy but I think someone else may have posted about such trouble. Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of CWarburton at OAG.COM Sent: 03 November 2003 14:19 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: CotBS DVD Forgive me if this turns out to be a rehash, but... Got said DVD on Saturday (thanx Helen) - and quite enjoyed it, never having seen the Hawks perform this show, but what's with the sound? The overall quality ain't to bad, but I only got slightly more than f*ck-all out of the left hand channel except on the "Needle Gun Promo" which promptly blew me off my bean-bag with the sudden arrival of said channel at full whack. Anybody else found this? Cheers ChrisW From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 4 01:46:57 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael B) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:16:57 +1030 Subject: CotBS DVD Message-ID: My copy has poor sound quality - have to turn it right up.. ----------------------------------- Ace Rimmer (Space Adventurer) http://www.alien-dream.com ** smoke me a kipper.... I'll be back for breakfast ** (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: Re: CotBS DVD > No problem with my copy but I think someone else may have posted about > such trouble. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of CWarburton at OAG.COM > Sent: 03 November 2003 14:19 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: CotBS DVD > > > Forgive me if this turns out to be a rehash, but... > > Got said DVD on Saturday (thanx Helen) - and quite enjoyed it, never > having > seen the Hawks perform this show, but what's with the sound? The overall > quality ain't to bad, but I only got slightly more than f*ck-all out of > the > left hand channel except on the "Needle Gun Promo" which promptly blew > me > off my bean-bag with the sudden arrival of said channel at full whack. > Anybody else found this? > > Cheers > ChrisW > From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Tue Nov 4 05:09:04 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:09:04 +0100 Subject: HW:Daze of the Underground Message-ID: Hej, I just picked up this fantastic compilation CD at the Darxtar gig in Helsinki! Yes... for those who remember the Swedish Space rock band Darxtar, who produced 3 very Hawkwind inspired CDs before heading off in their own unique direction, they are alive and playing well. The compilation CD I was very surprised at some of the bands on it and the over all great quality of the stuff. I would be curious to know others opinions as well. All Hawkwind fans should check out the track Freak Capital of the Universe by the Norwegen band WE. Very Hawkwind inspired stuff. www.werock.org scott ObCD- Dark Sun- Helsinki 10/30/03 From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Nov 4 13:35:55 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:35:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Battle of the shortest bands Message-ID: BOC the shortest rock band in the world? Not by a long shot. http://www.matteblack.com/minikiss/ I supposed it makes as much sense as anything else in the world these days. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com "Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a senior administration official who asked that his name not be used." --Philadelphia Enquirer, 10/16/03 From novadrive at COX.NET Tue Nov 4 17:15:12 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:15:12 -0700 Subject: BOC: Battle of the shortest bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if they have a fake Ace Frehley too..... KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Brian Halligan Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:36 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: Battle of the shortest bands BOC the shortest rock band in the world? Not by a long shot. http://www.matteblack.com/minikiss/ I supposed it makes as much sense as anything else in the world these days. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com "Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a senior administration official who asked that his name not be used." --Philadelphia Enquirer, 10/16/03 From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Nov 4 18:27:31 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: phew, where do you start, well recently i've listened to Air - 10,000 HZ legend (anybody else on the list got this, very mellow and very "spacey"), 1st white stripes album (very raw), led zep remasters (need i say more), graham coxon - the kiss of morning (wasn't he supposed to have jammed with hawkwind a while back!), AC/DC back in black (when it comes to pure rock 'n' roll probably the best in the business) moby - play (fine when you've got friends around), primal scream - evil heat (another one i'd like to know if anybody else out there's got, is it me or has this got a huge hawkwind influence running through it) elliot smith - figure 8 (great singer songwriter and a tragic loss, he died a couple of weeks ago, suicide, terrible loss!), oh and i did listen to some of space bandits the other day as well. well that's what i've listened to recently, my collectiom also a load of 80's metal and heavy rock - maiden, priest, aerosmith, a lot of britpop indie stuff - oasis, blur, pulp and of course a shed load of hawkwind! (amongst others) regards dave From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 5 15:59:54 2003 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:59:54 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The last week I've been listening to Rush In Rio constantly (superb album) otherwise I have periods of Gentle Giant and SAHB...when it comes to new music I have a soft spot for (swedish) Hip Hop. Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 5 18:53:33 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: the gotan project are a French band if i remember correctly, their web site can be found at http://www.gotanproject.com/ where you should be able to find out more. again i stand to be corrected but if memory serves me correctly both dave and Kris were full of praise for them when interviewed on the Matthew Wright show earlier this year. hope that helps regards dave From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 6 04:28:23 2003 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:28:23 +0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: What A hawkfan listens to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cracking band - Gotan Project are indeed French, they play Argentinian Tango music with good dose of drums to keep you swinging. I am also listening to Kings of Leon, Thrills, Sonics, The Kills, Yeah yeah Yeahs, dreadzone, & show of hands When it gets cold next week, it'll be accoustic guitar around the fire Hey Dr Brock, how about a solo accoustic CD please !!!!! regards Iain Dave Law wrote: > the gotan project are a French band if i remember correctly, their web > site can be found at http://www.gotanproject.com/ where you should be > able > to find out more. > again i stand to be corrected but if memory serves me correctly both dave > and Kris were full of praise for them when interviewed on the Matthew > Wright show earlier this year. > hope that helps > regards > dave > From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Thu Nov 6 05:05:31 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:05:31 +0100 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: Hej, The last cds that I have listened in the last two days: Purple Overdose- Reborn (Greece 1999) Wall of Sleep Tom Rapp- A Journal of the Plague years (2000) Gov't Mule- Vic Theatre, Chicago 10/25/03 (amazing show!) Octopus Syng- Stella Star, Helsinki 10/31/03 WE- Lightyears Ahead Ep (Norway 2003) Colourstar (Hungary 2002) Sick Animal Demo CD Finland 2003?? Can't remember the others right now... scott Right now I am listening to Harvey Bainbridge- Live 2000 From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 6 09:59:17 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:59:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Can article Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1078577,00.html Nick From gg at NINJANET.COM Thu Nov 6 09:50:30 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:50:30 +0100 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to In-Reply-To: <6C4C2180C82034499D3755A78D0D125419F787@exdkba022.novo.dk> Message-ID: SHLL wrote: > The last cds that I have listened in the last two days: in the last week i listened some new groups for me: Enthroned, amsvartner, decapitated (ok ok always extreme metal), monster magnet. The ones that I listened because they're too cool: the Emperor split, Excrementory Grindfuckers, Carpathian Forest (always metal), Motorhead (No Sleep and Bastards are always in my player) and tons and tons and tons of Warrior on the Edge of time (finally I got the turntable!!), Hawklords (I've never listen to it before yesterday!!) and some EP. bye!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Nov 6 12:05:16 2003 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:05:16 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: Last ten on my hi-fi: Dub Terror Exhaust Beatles The Cult Nirvana Robert Calvert Leftfield Hawkwind Dave Brock Air Sculpture Motorhead Mark From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Nov 6 12:44:44 2003 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:44:44 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: What's in my car.... Residents Can DEVO Tangerine Dream Buzzcocks Hawkwind Bryan Ferry King Crimson Brain Surgeons Stan Ridgway Dan From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Nov 6 13:44:51 2003 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:44:51 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This weeks line-up so far: Most of the Porcupine Tree catalog. ARC / Blaze Arcane / Future Wreck Joe Walsh / Homemade Best Of Spank The Dark Monkey / Ambient Space Monkeys Jim Kirkwood / Tower Of Darkness Ancient Technology Cult / Sacred Engines Gamma / 1, 2 & 3 Radio Massacre International / MP3 disk with the first 7 CD/CD-R releases on it BeBop Deluxe / MP3 disk with all the BBD/Red Noise releases on it Redshift-ARC / MP3 disk with all the current releases except Blaze (these last three being played on the DVD player while I finish the family room ceiling; needed something that didn't need to be changed too often) Ship --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003 From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 6 21:47:56 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:47:56 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Nice timing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 05:09 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I'm also awed by the extent of your > conspiracy with the US and UK postal services: this couldn't have come > at > a time when I more needed a nice surprise. Thanks, thanks quite a > lot! Yours, Me too. Sometimes things work out like that. Thanks, Al From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 6 22:38:42 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:38:42 EST Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: Gong Damo Suzuki's Network Box set King Crimson Spacemen 3 The first 4 Eno Lps The first 2 Roxy Music Lps Chrome Patti Smith Pressurehed Pink Faries From mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM Fri Nov 7 05:16:40 2003 From: mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:16:40 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 6 Nov 2003 to 7 Nov 2003 (#2003-151) In-Reply-To: <200311071000.hA7A01d7026953@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: So what did I play, Tangerine Dream - Le Parc/Melrose/Tangram Some as MP3 at work , the rest late at night. Sex Pistols - The Goodman Files Early evening to wake me up after work Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists The first album when I reached into the Hawks section of my CD collection on Tuesday. Chemical Brothers - Exit Planet Dust And why not - her indoors likes it too Stone Temple Pilots - My own compilation Very very loud last night Claude Challe - Buddha Bar 1/2/3/ Nirvana Lounge 1/2 Bedtime relaxing stuff Also been playing several compilations of current dance/trance in a sort of Ibiza/Euphoria/Chillout kind of vein recently. Motorhead will as usual appear for the weekend, most likely NSTH and Iron Fist, again. Mark (Hasbeen). From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Nov 7 06:55:14 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:55:14 -0000 Subject: HW: re. What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: Well, yesterday it was Iron Maiden's "Dance Of Death", Robert Plant's "66 to Timbuktu" (absolutely fab!), The Strokes' "Room On Fire", Phil Manzanera's "Diamond Head" (a neglected masterpiece) and at bedtime , Paul Schutze's "Apart" (CD2) But that's only a partially representative collection. On headphones from my office PC I'm listening to "Miles In The Sky" by Miles Davis (I have lots of Miles...Coltrane, Coleman, Monk & Mingus too), have lots of the Soft Machine and their brethren, all but one of King Crimson's "public" releases and all of Calexico's albums (including the "fan" releases). I'll stop now before this turns into a catalogue *G* ChrisW From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri Nov 7 07:20:36 2003 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alogilvy at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:20:36 EST Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: OK ...This is a game i cant resist...cant beat a good list!! Miles Davis ..Jack Johnson Pearl Jam ..Ten Peatbog Faeries.. welcome to Dun Vegas Alan Stivell .. Celtic Symphony Neil Young .. Ragged Glory Bob Weir ..Ace Nitin Sawney .. Prophecy Afrocelts ..Seed Afrocelts .. Live at Shepherds Bush Netcast Bevis Frond .. Any Gas Faster Pearls before swine .. Balaklava Julian Cope ..Floored Genius 2 Bonzo Dog Band .. Cornology Dhol Foundation .. Big Drum, Small World Nektar .. Tab in The Ocean I'm Usually to be found with a Miles Davis disc on the machine, and Alan Stivell, Pearl Jam, and Afrocelts are never far away. ....and tommorrow it'll all be different....Almost....I seriously Do reccomend Peatbog Faeries to ALL you Hawkfans out there....Space Rock meets Celtic Rock Meets Psychedelia....plus something. Checkout Faeriestories...It really is an amazing album. All the best Al From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 7 07:36:28 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:36:28 -0700 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: well, here's what's gonna be in the car today...can't resist!! Solaris ... Nostradamus, Book of Prophecy Ayreon.... Into the Electric castle (2 disc) Rush.... Grace Under Pressure Jean-Michel Jarre...Live in Hongkong Hawkwind....Warrior on the Edge of Time Pink Floyd ... Wish You Were Here Yes... Magnification Ozric Tentacles.....Strangitude Good stuff, all!! Pam Alogilvy at AOL.COM wrote: > OK ...This is a game i cant resist...cant beat a good list!! > > Miles Davis ..Jack Johnson > Pearl Jam ..Ten > Peatbog Faeries.. welcome to Dun Vegas > Alan Stivell .. Celtic Symphony > Neil Young .. Ragged Glory > Bob Weir ..Ace > Nitin Sawney .. Prophecy > Afrocelts ..Seed > Afrocelts .. Live at Shepherds Bush Netcast > Bevis Frond .. Any Gas Faster > Pearls before swine .. Balaklava > Julian Cope ..Floored Genius 2 > Bonzo Dog Band .. Cornology > Dhol Foundation .. Big Drum, Small World > Nektar .. Tab in The Ocean > > I'm Usually to be found with a Miles Davis disc on the machine, and Alan > Stivell, Pearl Jam, and Afrocelts are never far away. > > ....and tommorrow it'll all be different....Almost....I seriously Do > reccomend Peatbog Faeries to ALL you Hawkfans out there....Space Rock meets Celtic > Rock Meets Psychedelia....plus something. Checkout Faeriestories...It really is > an amazing album. > > All the best > > Al -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hello again, Re-subscribing after 2 years and missed the discussion group. Much Hawkwind with more Hawkwind. How is everybody, I don't even know whether the same people are on here. Anyway saw them yet again at Astoria in May and going again in December, does anyone know whether Arthur is still touring with them? Sam K From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 7 14:48:15 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:48:15 -0500 Subject: Sad News (fwd) Message-ID: Forwarded with permission... > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Kozlowski [mailto:arcmetgreg at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:28 PM > To: arcmetgreg3 at yahoo.com > Subject: Sad News > > > Hello, > > > I am writing this email to tell you that Doug Walker's > wife passed away last week. I do not know all the > details because I still need to talk to Doug myself, > but I believe she was in a car accident. As most of > you must know, Doug has had his own health problems > and struggles so this must be devastating. I am sure > he would appreciate any kind words or support from > you, his friends. > > > Take Care, > > Greg > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From denis at PTI-INC.DE Fri Nov 7 16:13:58 2003 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:13:58 +0100 Subject: What A hawkfan listens to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, can't resist neither. So those are the last 10 CDs I bought: Dave Brock - "Earthed to the Ground & Agents of Chaos" Chrome - "Angel of the Clouds" Front 242 - "Pulse" Heldon - "Agneta Nilsson" King Crimson - "The Power to Believe" Kraftwerk - "Tour de France Soundtracks" Shub-Niggurath - "C'Etaient De Tres Grands Vents" Skinny Puppy - "VIVIsectVI" Throbbing Gristle - "D.o.A." Univers Zero - "Rhythmix" (c)IAO D+R np: King Crimson, "Red" From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 7 17:02:44 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:02:44 -0000 Subject: Sad News (fwd) Message-ID: Oh ****. She was the nicest person to me during my stay in NY. We never stayed in touch. :-( Best wishes to Doug and any famiily. I'm sure I've got a couple of pics somewhere. Now I've got a scanner I'll try and dig them out. Raise a glass. Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Sad News (fwd) > Forwarded with permission... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Kozlowski [mailto:arcmetgreg at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:28 PM > > To: arcmetgreg3 at yahoo.com > > Subject: Sad News > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am writing this email to tell you that Doug Walker's > > wife passed away last week. I do not know all the > > details because I still need to talk to Doug myself, > > but I believe she was in a car accident. As most of > > you must know, Doug has had his own health problems > > and struggles so this must be devastating. I am sure > > he would appreciate any kind words or support from > > you, his friends. > > > > > > Take Care, > > > > Greg > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would > be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view > of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was > all of humanity, except me. > - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 7 17:48:50 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:48:50 -0000 Subject: HW list people - missed you all Message-ID: I do not expect Arthur to be there. Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam K" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: HW list people - missed you all > Hello again, > Re-subscribing after 2 years and missed the discussion group. Much Hawkwind with more Hawkwind. How is everybody, I don't even know whether the same people are on here. > Anyway saw them yet again at Astoria in May and going again in December, does anyone know whether Arthur is still touring with them? > > Sam K > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Nov 7 21:31:34 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:31:34 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: Well Stephan F - I said hi to your friend Cliff (who's a guitar tech on the Killing Joke tour) when he/they were in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US. This hawkfan doesn't listen to KJ anymore since the Milwaukee show was a disaster: Lots of posts/comments here: http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/ Would love to know what Cliff thinks of the tour so far but I'm sure he doesn't have time or can't give us the nitty gritty anyway ... All I know is that I was at the Milwaukee, WI show and it was not one iota as good as when I saw the band over 10 years ago. There are a lot of questions about what happened at that show that haven't been answered. There wasn't much of a crowd first of all since it was a Sunday night with major football on TV ... you UKers could relate to this if you're rabid soccer fans ... and the sound was terrible. Partly from the venue, partly due to Jaz's vocals which we don't know if that was because (these are guesses) he *was* still sick, had no voice from being sick, did something to make himself sick, just plain didn't hold the mike up to his mouth ... (I thought he did sound OK when he did.) All I know is that I heard him say "F*ck them if they don't like my voice" and he just stared straight ahead during the whole "show" with no interaction and definitely no encore. We were shafted. Those few people who *did* turn out *were* true fans and deserved better. Blame booking management for picking a bad night and a bad venue, not the fans. My Killing Joke days are over. It's too bad. So ... what I will be continuing to listen to is: Mr. Quimby's Beard of course Kingston Wall Monster Magnet Ayreon - Arjen Anthony Lucassen Zomby Woof Blonde on Blonde [UK] Rebirth (70) Eloy Everon Igra Staklenih Perli Kopecky Man In Space Il Segno del Comando Ship of Fools Amorphis a little Rush (yes, Kenneth) ;-) and *anything* recommended by Aural Innovations! So there. :) Karen From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 8 08:51:25 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:51:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke was Re: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems like that was an off-night for them. I saw 'em in London in August, and Glasgow in October and they were incredible both times... up there with the best shows I've seen them do. Dublin wasn't quite so good, but that was more the crowd than the band. It's a shame to write off a band 'cos of one bad night, though can understand since you so seldom get to see them it must've been very disappointing. Anyway, to take it back the original topic... TURBONEGRO RADIO BIRDMAN ROKY ERICKSON THE DAMNED DAVE BROCK NEKROMANTIX That's the last few days anyway. Oh yes, and the Exploited On Stage, but that was for a joke so doesn't count! Dave At 21:31 07/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Well Stephan F - I said hi to your friend Cliff (who's a guitar tech on the >Killing Joke tour) when he/they were in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US. > >This hawkfan doesn't listen to KJ anymore since the Milwaukee show was a >disaster: > >Lots of posts/comments here: >http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/ > >Would love to know what Cliff thinks of the tour so far but I'm sure he >doesn't have time or can't give us the nitty gritty anyway ... > >All I know is that I was at the Milwaukee, WI show and it was not one iota >as good as when I saw the band over 10 years ago. > >There are a lot of questions about what happened at that show that haven't >been answered. > >There wasn't much of a crowd first of all since it was a Sunday night with >major football on TV ... you UKers could relate to this if you're rabid >soccer fans ... and the sound was terrible. Partly from the venue, partly >due to Jaz's vocals which we don't know if that was because (these are >guesses) he *was* still sick, had no voice from being sick, did something to >make himself sick, just plain didn't hold the mike up to his mouth ... (I >thought he did sound OK when he did.) All I know is that I heard him say >"F*ck them if they don't like my voice" and he just stared straight ahead >during the whole "show" with no interaction and definitely no encore. We >were shafted. Those few people who *did* turn out *were* true fans and >deserved better. Blame booking management for picking a bad night and a bad >venue, not the fans. > >My Killing Joke days are over. It's too bad. > >So ... what I will be continuing to listen to is: > >Mr. Quimby's Beard of course >Kingston Wall >Monster Magnet >Ayreon - Arjen Anthony Lucassen >Zomby Woof >Blonde on Blonde [UK] Rebirth (70) >Eloy >Everon >Igra Staklenih Perli >Kopecky >Man In Space >Il Segno del Comando >Ship of Fools >Amorphis >a little Rush (yes, Kenneth) ;-) > >and *anything* recommended by Aural Innovations! > >So there. :) > >Karen From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 8 12:17:14 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:17:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke was Re: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:51:25 +0000, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: >Seems like that was an off-night for them. >From the descriptions on the KJ message board, that's probably something of an understatement... sounds like it was a total disaster. Jaz has always been somewhat unstable and it sounds like the wheels fell off badly at this gig. I've never perused that message board before and having done so (as with almost any internet forum I glance at) I'm reminded that we're actually quite lucky here on boc-l, in terms of having mostly civilised discussion. On a happier note, I picked up the "Pandemonium" album recently following the recommendations here, and some of it is superb- "Communion" is every bit as great as it sounded at the Astoria... a late contender for my very fave KJ song. Nick From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Nov 8 14:40:13 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:40:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke was Re: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: Thank you Nick! I think you hit the nail on the head. (strange expression, I know) "I'm reminded that we're actually quite lucky here on boc-l, in terms of having mostly civilised discussion." I'm *so* grateful for that too. Our couple "jokers" have really quieted down and the posts here have been interesting, intelligent and informative. That KJ message board is quite unstable as the lead singer of KJ can be. Guess they have a listserv too which I wasn't about to be bombarded with. Thank you boc-l gang. I've read so many good posts here over the years and really appreciate them. I know I post a lot of OFF/OT stuff but hopefully you've found some of it interesting too. The web interface doesn't seem to want to take a message if I use OFF:, that's why I've been using OT: instead. Karen (digest mailing mode and web interface mode) On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:17:14 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:51:25 +0000, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >>Seems like that was an off-night for them. > >>From the descriptions on the KJ message board, that's probably something of >an understatement... sounds like it was a total disaster. Jaz has always >been somewhat unstable and it sounds like the wheels fell off badly at this >gig. > >I've never perused that message board before and having done so (as with >almost any internet forum I glance at) I'm reminded that we're actually >quite lucky here on boc-l, in terms of having mostly civilised discussion. > >On a happier note, I picked up the "Pandemonium" album recently following >the recommendations here, and some of it is superb- "Communion" is every >bit as great as it sounded at the Astoria... a late contender for my very >fave KJ song. > >Nick Thank you Nick! I think you hit the nail on the head. (strange expression, I know) "I'm reminded that we're actually quite lucky here on boc-l, in terms of having mostly civilised discussion." I'm *so* grateful for that too. Our couple "jokers" have really quieted down and the posts here have been interesting, intelligent and informative. Thank you boc-l gang. Karen From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 8 15:38:15 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:38:15 -0500 Subject: Justin Adams-desert road Message-ID: Hi, Anyone ever hear this one? Wondering if its worth picking up. Cheers Stephe From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Nov 8 22:30:05 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:30:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke - possible good news out of the Milwaukee show disaster Message-ID: Well ... Some *good* news here. I received a call from KJ's management today after contacting The Rave (the venue where KJ played) which passed along my contact info to the record company. Jaz *was* sick at the Milwaukee show from mixing antihistamines for an inflammation problem along with a couple drinks. He *was* quite out of it. He's getting better but we *did* see him at his worst. As I had mentioned here and/or on the KJ message boards, 2 longtime fans/DJs were in the audience that night. Well ... it looks like I may have brokered an interview between one of them and Jaz through management. If all goes well, it should air on a Saturday in the next few weeks and I'll post more details. If it goes off, the DJ's show is automatically archived on the internet and will be available for download for several weeks after the fact as well. Here's to harmony and bringing forth good promotion out of a bad concert experience. I wanted to do more than just complain about a bad show/off night for the band. Keep your fingers, toes, eyes ... whatever crossed that this will be a success and we'll get a great interview in place of a great show. Thank you management for responding and making an effort to turn the disaster of the Milwaukee show into a win-win for fans and the band. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 9 11:54:40 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:54:40 -0000 Subject: HW: MTV2 - Hair Rock Day Message-ID: Skimming through the TV channels just now I've discovered MTV2 (Channel 302 on cable) is having a "Hair Rock Day" (hmm). Sadly I've missed most of this session but as I flicked onto the channel I recognised the cloud of bubbles drifting across the screen - yep they were showing the Silver Machine video! There's another session at 7.30pm though they'll doubtless be showing a different set of bands then however they might do a repeat later on tonight. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Nov 9 12:10:04 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:10:04 -0500 Subject: HW - MTV 2 Hair Rock Day Message-ID: Just wondered if any other group members have been watching MTV 2's hair rock day. Whilst cheerfully, albeit painfully reliving my youth by watching videos by the likes of Poison, Kiss, Whitesnake (ok 1 out of 3 aint bad!) imagine my supprise when some 40 minutes into an hour of what were billed as "hair rock anthems", what should be played but the full length version of "silver machine". whilst it's true to say that all members of the band were very hairy I wouldn't personally class them as "hair rock" which must beggar the question whoever put this together must have had there own agenda whebn this is included in front of the likes of Motley Crue, Ratt and Skid Row. anyway it was great to see and I also see that Jill has beaten me to posting this to the group, oh well never mind, at least one other person saw it! regards dave p.s i assume that the band don't get a royalty payment for that showing? From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 9 15:18:56 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:18:56 -0000 Subject: HW - MTV 2 Hair Rock Day Message-ID: Royalty payment???????? Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: HW - MTV 2 Hair Rock Day > Just wondered if any other group members have been watching MTV 2's hair > rock day. Whilst cheerfully, albeit painfully reliving my youth by > watching videos by the likes of Poison, Kiss, Whitesnake (ok 1 out of 3 > aint bad!) imagine my supprise when some 40 minutes into an hour of what > were billed as "hair rock anthems", what should be played but the full > length version of "silver machine". whilst it's true to say that all > members of the band were very hairy I wouldn't personally class them > as "hair rock" which must beggar the question whoever put this together > must have had there own agenda whebn this is included in front of the > likes of Motley Crue, Ratt and Skid Row. > anyway it was great to see and I also see that Jill has beaten me to > posting this to the group, oh well never mind, at least one other person > saw it! > regards > dave > p.s i assume that the band don't get a royalty payment for that showing? > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Nov 9 20:48:48 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:48:48 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to Message-ID: How about the ten new/recent/underrated bands that a Hawkwind fan SHOULD be listening out for................. Jet Jaguar, Scattered Planets Dr Hasbeen ST 37 Pinkstuff Anomie Growing Weird Biscuit Teatime Pyramids Of Snafu Moly Something for some of you to check out there, methinks.......... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] What A hawkfan listens to > phew, where do you start, well recently i've listened to Air - 10,000 HZ > legend (anybody else on the list got this, very mellow and very "spacey"), > 1st white stripes album (very raw), led zep remasters (need i say more), > graham coxon - the kiss of morning (wasn't he supposed to have jammed with > hawkwind a while back!), AC/DC back in black (when it comes to pure > rock 'n' roll probably the best in the business) moby - play (fine when > you've got friends around), primal scream - evil heat (another one i'd > like to know if anybody else out there's got, is it me or has this got a > huge hawkwind influence running through it) elliot smith - figure 8 (great > singer songwriter and a tragic loss, he died a couple of weeks ago, > suicide, terrible loss!), oh and i did listen to some of space bandits the > other day as well. > > well that's what i've listened to recently, my collectiom also a load of > 80's metal and heavy rock - maiden, priest, aerosmith, a lot of britpop > indie stuff - oasis, blur, pulp and of course a shed load of hawkwind! > (amongst others) > regards > dave From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Nov 10 01:08:28 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:08:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke - possible good news out of the Milwaukee show disaster Message-ID: Well ... the interview was taped today and is scheduled to air next Saturday, Nov 15th on www.wmse.org between 4 and 6 pm central time. The interview and music will be about an hour somewhere in that 2 hour window. I'll post more specific links and interview stop/start times after the show is aired and archived in .mp3 format for download from the web site. (The station does also air live over the internet.) If it gets bumped for some reason, it *will* be aired and this information will be updated. I posted the same introductory message to this post to the unofficial KJ "The Gathering" board and got shit from a poster, Savatos!, that he was tired about hearing about my 2 DJ friends that were at the Milwaukee show. Supposedly "Mrs Coleman" is posting on that board but there's no guarantee that it's really her. I have the band's manager's phone # and will give him the details of the interview to distribute as he sees fit as well. Gee - I try to do something to help promote the band in a more positive light after a bad concert performance and get hassled for it. I think boc-l and the killing-joke.com forum is a bit more mature and will appreciate what Jaz did have to say. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Nov 10 11:11:37 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:11:37 -0000 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: Alogilvy at AOL.COM wrote: > Miles Davis ..Jack Johnson Damn fine... Saving up for the "Complete..." box set > Peatbog Faeries.. welcome to Dun Vegas Oooo Errr... Is this a new one... I have Faerie Stories & Mellowosity > I'm Usually to be found with a Miles Davis disc on the > machine, and Alan Stivell, Pearl Jam, and Afrocelts are never far away. Obviously a man of greta taste & discernment *G* > I seriously Do reccomend Peatbog Faeries to ALL you Hawkfans out > there....Space Rock meets Celtic Rock Meets Psychedelia....plus something. > Checkout Faeriestories...It really is an amazing album. Seconded...fervently ChrisW From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 10 11:28:15 2003 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:28:15 +0000 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D2060266995D@uk01ex01.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: I can third that, Faerie Stories & Mellowosity are cracking Cd's... Mr Ogilvy has already pursuaded me to get the new one if only they'd do some bloody gigs south of Skye that I can make regards iain > > Peatbog Faeries.. welcome to Dun Vegas > > Oooo Errr... Is this a new one... I have Faerie Stories & Mellowosity > > > I seriously Do reccomend Peatbog Faeries to ALL you Hawkfans out > > there....Space Rock meets Celtic Rock Meets Psychedelia....plus > something. > > > Checkout Faeriestories...It really is an amazing album. > > Seconded...fervently > ChrisW > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Nov 10 12:35:05 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:35:05 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK & One Eyed Bishops News!!! Message for Deitrich Pless too!!! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm moving at a pretty good clip this morning, due in part to the powerful cup of Coffee I'm drinking ( the world's most widely used psycoactive substance)!! There are losts of things going on with both bands, so I thought I'd try to pass along what I know and what seems to be developing. As many of you may know, I am also a college professor of Philosophy & Religion. This is why I no longer tour so extensively as I once did, my open dates now corresponding with the academic calender and so forth. Sloterdijk & The OEBs are still actively looking for dates between Janaury 3-13th and also more local shows between now and January 14th. Regionally, we are hoping to do a New York, New England roadtrip sometime between now and the end of February. If you are in the New England area and you think you can help with this booking let us know. It's also looking like we MIGHT make it to Germany to perform a gig or two in the greater Frankfurt area. I know that at least one gig would probably be a bill which would include the German psych band 'ST'. The chances of Sloterdijk performing more than two gigs on this trip is doubtful, however if you have an idea, please drop us a line. We are DESPARETELY SEEKING DATES IN THE NETHERLANDS!!!!!! We would like to enter europe through The Netherlands and do at least one show there prior to the date(s) in Germany. It would be our ideal hope to fly into Amsterdam and then fly home either from Frankfurt or back from Amsterdam. It all depends on what happens. Right now, our main focus is Germany, but we are hoping to be able to add a show or shows in Holland. If any of you is in contact with Dietrich Pless, publisher of the German 'Hawkzine' please tell him that I would be willing to come to Holstein/Helweg or wherever he is for a show. It need not be a big show, and could even be a private one. I want to do this for Dietrich as I consider him a friend and a long time supporter of the band. Please someone let him know this, as I haven't got any way of contacting him except by mailing a letter the old fashioned way. The lineup for these shows is still undetermined, however it will include me, possibly my wife Dr. Maria Ramundo, on synth and maybe Jay Adcock on synths/percussion as well. We may use some guest players from Germany too, so if you are interested drop us a line. Because of short notice, travel expenses and all that, I am not going any further east, this time round. I would however like to do a proper German/Dutch/UK tour in the future possibly summer 2004. I know we hope to return to The UK at least once within the next 8-10 months ( probably for the festival season). Musically, the new SLOTERDIJK CD ( scheduled for a spring release) is beginning to take shape, and looks like it will be a mixture of live and studio cuts. There will be some special guests, and we still need quite a bit of time for this one, but it should be worth the wait. I have told several people before, that in the meantime, I plan to release a few more live shows, and I have not forgotten about this. I hope to begin working on the signal processing for the first of these releases soon. The first offerings will be 'Live Transmania': 9/30/2000. This was a biker event, called 'The 30th annual Bike Day Weekend, sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, Redhill, Pennsylvania. The other show will be 'Amityville' , New York, at 'The Wrong Way Inn' 8/25/01 On the ether, I also plan to re-issue the original two SLOTERDIJK releases, ( once only available on cassette). These being 'Alien Theme' ( 1997) and 'Technoanthropology' (1998). I have not yet even begun digitally remastering these tracks, but this is something I plan to do within the next months. At this point, my post as professor begins heating up, as the semester winds it's way toward completion in December. I want to thank those of you who continue to support the bands, who have purchased cds and who have provided us with hospitality. For those of you who are still looking for a place to find our cds, we have opted for using Ebay, as the most cost effcient way of distributing our own products. As many of you know, all our cds, artwork etc ( with the exception of Integration) are put together by us, and manufactured here in our home studios. We have tried to eliminate the need for a 'middle man' aka 'outside distributor' in order to offer the products as cheaply as possible. Just type in http://www.Ebay.com and search for Sloterdijk, The One Eyed Bishops, or OEBs.( also often cross referenced with Hawkwind). We try to offer as many titles as we can, and update these listings weekly. Here's hoping someone will get the message through to Dietrich, and we'll see you on the road!!! Peace...Mike Burro web resources for these two bands: SLOTERDIJK: http://www.mp3.com/sloterdijk http://aural-innovations.com/issues/ss/.html ( see column for list of Sloterdijk reviews and interview) http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/index2.html ( search index for either band name) http://www.citypaper.net/articles/121400/mus.space.shtml ( Philadelphia City Paper article) http://www.godreah.com ( Godreah Records UK: see 'Daze of the Underground' Hawkwind tribute cd ) The One Eyed Bishops: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( Official band website) http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/entertainment/nightlife/scout2.shtml (recent press article) http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/entertainment/nightlife/bandarchive/bishops\shtml ( press article) http://www.struzzin.com/videos/arcstruzzinspotlight120302.html ( radio interview 12/03/02) http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-hawk-camp-2002.html ( Real Festival Music video 7/02) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFest_oeb.htm (Hawkfest 2002) http://www.voiceprint.co.uk ( see Hawkfest 2002 cd set under Hawkwind) http://www.mp3.com/The_OEBs ( mp3 mirror site w/ additional free files) _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 10 16:01:01 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:01:01 -0500 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to In-Reply-To: <3FAB91CC.51F24C68@TransWestTaxi.com>; from cwheaton@TRANSWESTTAXI.COM on Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 05:36:28AM -0700 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 05:36:28AM -0700, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > well, here's what's gonna be in the car today...can't resist!! Damn. Some day I'm going to have to visit Boise, just to take a cab ride with you guys. :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Nov 10 19:07:07 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:07:07 -0700 Subject: HW: What a fan listens to Message-ID: I change out the changer magazine daily. My rule of thumb is to cycle through the ones I don't make it thru to the next day, also, if I don't get over halfway thru the disc, it gets on the next day. Makes for interesting listening! My Sister asked how I manage to listen to all the tunes I have, well, above is how:) I will admit to having some I haven't listened to as of yet, but that's only 'cause I've been too broke to get blanks, and what I haven't sampled is in MP3 form, and the car player won't play them :( Pam Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 05:36:28AM -0700, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > well, here's what's gonna be in the car today...can't resist!! > > Damn. Some day I'm going to have to visit Boise, just to take > a cab ride with you guys. :-) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would > be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view > of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was > all of humanity, except me. > - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace just a test From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 11 14:55:08 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:55:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: KIlling Joke - possible good news out of the Milwaukee show disaster In-Reply-To: ; from kkusic@EXECPC.COM on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:08:28AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:08:28AM -0500, Karen Kusic wrote: > Well ... the interview was taped today and is scheduled to air next > Saturday, Nov 15th on www.wmse.org between 4 and 6 pm central time. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is 22:00 - 0:00 UTC. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 11 15:26:05 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:26:05 -0600 Subject: test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: :Subject: test : :just a test which apparently worked ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 11 16:28:29 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:28:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, its very quiet here at the moment Thought that my e-mail software failed Glad to see that it is OK B. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Arin Komins > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:26 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: test > > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > :Subject: test > : > :just a test > > which apparently worked ;-) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Nov 11 16:30:09 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:30:09 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Big audiovisual news Message-ID: go to cellsum.com to know what I'm talkin'bout. Jason ---------------------------------------------------- "Visit AcmeNet.NET online at http://www.acmenet.net" From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Nov 11 16:45:28 2003 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:45:28 -0500 Subject: MM at the Astoria Message-ID: Monster Magnet will be playing the Astoria in London on Dec. 7Th 2003 Hmm. Too bad they couldn't wait 2 weeks. It would make an excellent double bill!! Dan From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 12 15:14:09 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:14:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Great Bassists (was100 Greatest Guitarists) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Doug Pearson wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:30:45 EDT, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM wrote: > > >In a message dated 9/6/2003 3:40:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > > >> Ross The Boss > > > >...is a guitarist!! > >joey demayo: bassist in manowar > >mark mendoza: bassist in dictators > > Thanks for the correction, Bob, although it should be noted that Mark just > filled-in on one 'tators album. The REAL Dictators bassist was, and still > is (as of a month or two ago, when I last saw 'em), Andy/Adny Shernoff, > who *definitely* belongs on the list! (And is also a fine keyboard > player, which is what he was doing on the Mendoza-bassed Dictators album. > And producer. And *killer* songwriter. And stands about 8 feet tall in > his Converse All-Stars.) And of course he plays on the version of `Room To Rage' on _To Helen With Love_ alongside Ross the Boss and indeed Al and Joe Bouchard and Deb Frost (seems unfair not to mention Jack Secret & Dave Hirschberg now I've listed everyone else on the song) and so gets us those much-sought-after connection points... Yours, Jon ObCD: Ash Ra Tempel - _Ash Ra Tempel_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From denis at PTI-INC.DE Wed Nov 12 15:23:10 2003 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:10 +0100 Subject: [HW] Astoria Xmas-Gig Hotels Message-ID: Hiya, As many of the BOClers will be going to this year's Xmas-Gig, the non-London list-folks have to stay at a hotel, of course. Has any booked a hotel yet? Will there be some centralized booking efforts like in the last years? (c)IAO D+R From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 12 16:11:47 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:11:47 -0600 Subject: [HW] Astoria Xmas-Gig Hotels In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20031112211359.01fce008@post.strato.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: :Subject: [HW] Astoria Xmas-Gig Hotels : :Hiya, : :As many of the BOClers will be going to this year's Xmas-Gig, the :non-London list-folks have to stay at a hotel, of course. :Has any booked a hotel yet? Will there be some centralized booking efforts :like in the last years? : Well, I handled the bookings over the last couple of years, and unfortunately, I cannot go this year :-( :-( As I can't go, I'd rather not handle all the hotel bookings, as it really needs someone to be inhouse :-( Hopefully, I can do it all again next year (if there is an xmas gig next year, of course ;-) ) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 20:52:48 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:52:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Other groups, etc. Message-ID: Hi, it's Chuck, I re-subscribed again. thought i should try "reaching out". I live in San Luis Obispo, Ca, which is kind of a drag. (Steve Youles, when ya comin??) ah, but i did come to LA last weekend for family business and also managed to catch day 2 of All Tomorrow's Parties. I know this is originally a UK festival, I don't recall folks discussing it here. anyway, i think I saw a note on the web-site that the Boredoms may play the next one...if so, don't miss it! I picked up "Vision Creation New Sun" recently, and it is MIND-fucking-blowing space/kraut-rock, with some serious HW moments. anyway, missing day one, I missed the Magic Band, which is my main regret. Marc Groening (Simpsons) "curated" the festival this year, and the MB is his favorite. anyway, the best group I saw Sunday was Jackie O'Motherfucker: motherfuck yeah! I picked up the "Wow/Magick Fire Music" disc, too, which is wonderful. Bardo Pond were good. American Analog Set were disappointing. Mars Volta were cool...uhh...the headliners were Iggy and the Stooges, whose originals I've hear little of...they sounded pretty good, but I was too cold and drunk by then to come out from under the blanket, didn't have my jacker. You Brits w/yer muddy fields and what-not certainly must chuckle at such California naievete. Terry Riley was the "elder statesman" of Sun, he played a little keyboard set, with his white beard all the way down to his waist or so. that's all that's coming back to me at the moment. i know there was at least one more band i wanted to comment on. uh...i hope to be doing radio again by jan...maybe w/some luck i'll even have a regular slot again by April. Turns out the program manager at KCPR (Cal Poly SLO) grew up listening to KUCR and the DJ who inspired him the most was his high-school english teacher Ron McCafferty...whom i just happened to be back-to-back w/on sat nights for two years... uhh...I sold 2/3 of my collection when i moved up to this stupid town, but i recently repurchased a coupla items: Mushroom's "Compared to What" and Salaryman's self-titled...goddamn, they're both great, I own the latter due to one of Keith Henderson's CD-R mixes. I'm really into Barry Adamson. He used to be in Magazine and Nick Cave/BS, then went solo. "Oedipus Schmoedipus" and "As Above So Below" are discs I'm listening to alot. This guy rules, he's so diverse. caught on to him via the "Lost Highway" sound-track. Speaking of which, I also listen to Lynch/Badalamenti soundtracks compulsively.A picked up a Sh'Mantra double-CD which has some GREAT songs on it. Bought the first album by Comets on Fire...it's good, sometimes great, but i didn't get as excited over it as I'd expected from reviews I read. Came across an album by Heru Avenger, it's really long spacey jazz-fusion instrumentals, definitely been growing on me lately, though apparently not nearly as good as their previous one, which Jerry and Keith raved about back in AI number whatever.The only really good show here in San Luis since I arrived back in Feb was Mogwai, who played the Univ. There were some incredible, jaw-dropping jams in the set (incredibly loud, too). anyway, I finally picked up an album, "Rock Action", it's just...blah. what happened?? where's the fucking power?! Picked up another Flowchart record, lovely stuff once again. Another album by Red Temple Spirits, "If the Train were leaving for Lhasa..." Anyone here into these guys? Back when I picked up another of theirs, I mentioned it here, wondering if anyone knew more about 'em...they're still kinda mysterious to me, though it's obvious they were british and active in the '80s. oh, and there's the actual music, depressing apoco-rock (ragna-rock?), which is at times boring, at times really really moving.hmm...same trip I finally picked up a Here and Now album...definitely sounds Hillagey...it's either just kinda average to my ears or I need to listen to it more. New F/i reissues are out on Lexicon Devil!!! "The Past Darkly/The Future Lightly" box-set ('83-'89 retrospective) on a 2-disc CD for the first time and "Why Not Now?...Allan!" from '87. They were at Amoeba, i'd had no idea, and I gave a great cry. The new Census of Hallucinations "8th Dwarf" is great, their best since their 4th (which wasn't really that long ago). The new Rollerball, Twin Atlas and Primordial Undermind albums are all fine, too, discs that i recently reviewed for AI. oh, yeah, HW! well, I picked up Weird #3...I think that's it, the one with the '75 and '77 free festivals...man these buggers is pricey, that shows ya how much I couldn't resist hearing some of these tracks again. I used to have a cassette, but I'd lost it and was trying to remember "Circles" and such... BOC? All I can say is that last weekend my sister made me watch an SNL video, which included a skit of the group rehearsing DFtR in the studio...the funny bit was that the guy playing Bloom (can't remember the actor's name, but the video was the Best of Him) was just jumping around, no guit, banging on the cow-bell. what's actually playing is the studio recording of Reaper, but then the Bloom figure starts banging obnoxiously on live, way up-front underproduced cowbell. The manager/agent guy, played by Christopher Walken and certainly not meant to have anything to do w/Pearlman, keeps telling him "less cowbell"... that's it! i've talked too much!chuck From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 14 06:45:34 2003 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:45:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Other groups, etc. Message-ID: Hi Chuck Nice to see you back, and thanks for putting "The Last Druids" in your top 10 of 2002 (even if it was 1 behind "Dogon Dance" by that young whippersnapper Michael Blackman)! Michael and I joined forces for Hawkfest (which was brilliant both musically and weatherwise) to do an Alien Dream live set. You can see the pictures at www.hawkwind.com Drop me an email with your address and I'll send you a copy of "The Eye of the Cyclone" for possible plugging in a future radio show! Best regards Tom >From: Automatic digest processor >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Recipients of BOC-L digests >Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Nov 2003 to 14 Nov 2003 (#2003-158) >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:00:01 -0500 > >There is one message totalling 17 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. HW: Other groups, etc. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:52:48 -0500 >From: Chuck Rosenberg >Subject: HW: Other groups, etc. > >Hi, it's Chuck, I re-subscribed again. thought i should try "reaching out". >I live in San Luis Obispo, Ca, which is kind of a drag. (Steve Youles, when >ya comin??) ah, but i did come to LA last weekend for family business and >also managed to catch day 2 of All Tomorrow's Parties. I know this is >originally a UK festival, I don't recall folks discussing it here. anyway, >i think I saw a note on the web-site that the Boredoms may play the next >one...if so, don't miss it! I picked up "Vision Creation New Sun" recently, >and it is MIND-fucking-blowing space/kraut-rock, with some serious HW >moments. anyway, missing day one, I missed the Magic Band, which is my main >regret. Marc Groening (Simpsons) "curated" the festival this year, and the >MB is his favorite. anyway, the best group I saw Sunday was Jackie >O'Motherfucker: motherfuck yeah! I picked up the "Wow/Magick Fire Music" >disc, too, which is wonderful. Bardo Pond were good. American Analog Set >were disappointing. Mars Volta were! > cool...uhh...the headliners were Iggy and the Stooges, whose originals >I've hear little of...they sounded pretty good, but I was too cold and >drunk by then to come out from under the blanket, didn't have my jacker. >You Brits w/yer muddy fields and what-not certainly must chuckle at such >California naievete. Terry Riley was the "elder statesman" of Sun, he >played a little keyboard set, with his white beard all the way down to his >waist or so. that's all that's coming back to me at the moment. i know >there was at least one more band i wanted to comment on. >uh...i hope to be doing radio again by jan...maybe w/some luck i'll even >have a regular slot again by April. Turns out the program manager at KCPR >(Cal Poly SLO) grew up listening to KUCR and the DJ who inspired him the >most was his high-school english teacher Ron McCafferty...whom i just >happened to be back-to-back w/on sat nights for two years... >uhh...I sold 2/3 of my collection when i moved up to this stupid town, but >i recently repurchased a coupla items: Mushroom's "Compared to What" and >Salaryman's self-titled...goddamn, they're both great, I own the latter due >to one of Keith Henderson's CD-R mixes. I'm really into Barry Adamson. He >used to be in Magazine and Nick Cave/BS, then went solo. "Oedipus >Schmoedipus" and "As Above So Below" are discs I'm listening to alot. This >guy rules, he's so diverse. caught on to him via the "Lost Highway" >sound-track. Speaking of which, I also listen to Lynch/Badalamenti >soundtracks compulsively.A picked up a Sh'Mantra double-CD which has some >GREAT songs on it. Bought the first album by Comets on Fire...it's good, >sometimes great, but i didn't get as excited over it as I'd expected from >reviews I read. Came across an album by Heru Avenger, it's really long >spacey jazz-fusion instrumentals, definitely been growing on me lately, >though apparently not nearly as good as their previ! > ous one, which Jerry and Keith raved about back in AI number whatever.The >only really good show here in San Luis since I arrived back in Feb was >Mogwai, who played the Univ. There were some incredible, jaw-dropping jams >in the set (incredibly loud, too). anyway, I finally picked up an album, >"Rock Action", it's just...blah. what happened?? where's the fucking >power?! >Picked up another Flowchart record, lovely stuff once again. Another album >by Red Temple Spirits, "If the Train were leaving for Lhasa..." Anyone here >into these guys? Back when I picked up another of theirs, I mentioned it >here, wondering if anyone knew more about 'em...they're still kinda >mysterious to me, though it's obvious they were british and active in the >'80s. oh, and there's the actual music, depressing apoco-rock >(ragna-rock?), which is at times boring, at times really really >moving.hmm...same trip I finally picked up a Here and Now >album...definitely sounds Hillagey...it's either just kinda average to my >ears or I need to listen to it more. New F/i reissues are out on Lexicon >Devil!!! "The Past Darkly/The Future Lightly" box-set ('83-'89 >retrospective) on a 2-disc CD for the first time and "Why Not >Now?...Allan!" from '87. They were at Amoeba, i'd had no idea, and I gave a >great cry. The new Census of Hallucinations "8th Dwarf" is great, their >best since their 4t! > h (which wasn't really that long ago). The new Rollerball, Twin Atlas and >Primordial Undermind albums are all fine, too, discs that i recently >reviewed for AI. >oh, yeah, HW! well, I picked up Weird #3...I think that's it, the one with >the '75 and '77 free festivals...man these buggers is pricey, that shows ya >how much I couldn't resist hearing some of these tracks again. I used to >have a cassette, but I'd lost it and was trying to remember "Circles" and >such... >BOC? All I can say is that last weekend my sister made me watch an SNL >video, which included a skit of the group rehearsing DFtR in the >studio...the funny bit was that the guy playing Bloom (can't remember the >actor's name, but the video was the Best of Him) was just jumping around, >no guit, banging on the cow-bell. what's actually playing is the studio >recording of Reaper, but then the Bloom figure starts banging obnoxiously >on live, way up-front underproduced cowbell. The manager/agent guy, played >by Christopher Walken and certainly not meant to have anything to do >w/Pearlman, keeps telling him "less cowbell"... that's it! >i've talked too much!chuck > >------------------------------ > >End of BOC-L Digest - 13 Nov 2003 to 14 Nov 2003 (#2003-158) >************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 07:12:53 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:12:53 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hello folks! The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc from next month, so keep your ears open! We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 hours of footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice stuff though. The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! Any more questions? :-) Kris . From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Nov 14 07:21:18 2003 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:21:18 +0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers In-Reply-To: <00ff01c3aaa8$a4adff40$b8acbd50@default> Message-ID: Whats the single please, and are there remixes ? is arthur still aboard the mothership, heard he wans't at exeter and isnt at Astoria ? regards niai nosugref Hawkwind wrote: > Hello folks! > > The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the > moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > > The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January > > The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc > from next month, so keep your ears open! > > We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 > hours of footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice > stuff though. > > The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. > > Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and > Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! > > Any more questions? :-) > > Kris > > . > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Nov 14 09:06:55 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:06:55 -0500 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hi Kris, Any chance of the full Hawkfest 02 being released. The quality on the comp is brilliant. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: HW:Questions and answers Hello folks! The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc from next month, so keep your ears open! We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 hours of footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice stuff though. The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! Any more questions? :-) Kris . From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Nov 14 09:53:24 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:53:24 -0700 Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Mark Licht [mailto:mlicht at cybermesa.com] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:43 AM To: boc-l Subject: Off: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair For those in the UK, I hope you will give the smirking chimp the welcome he deserves. Sounds like he's saying to bring them on; don't disappoint him. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20031114/ts_nm /bush_britain_dc From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 10:50:28 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:50:28 GMT Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair In-Reply-To: Mark Licht's message of Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: Mark Licht writes: > For those in the UK, I hope you will give the smirking chimp the welcome he > deserves. If he drops by my place, I'll be sure to offer him a pretzel. FoFP From ptl at WELL.COM Fri Nov 14 11:53:17 2003 From: ptl at WELL.COM (Patrick Lenneau) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:53:17 -0800 Subject: OFF: SF Joke Message-ID: Killing Joke made it to SF last night and despite my worst fears, fueled by previous gig reports, they were great. I think Jaz was looking forward to speaking to us on California politics so he made sure he was in good form. Almost thought he mistook Slims for Speaker?s Corner a time or two. Of course it all started earlier as things always do when I was preparing for the show and I heard my mad neighbor wailing away in some foreign tongue, or was it just in tongues? He was no doubt writhing on the floor in need of a playing of Exorcism, my favorite from Pandemonium and not on the set list or played I might add, but my being a mean spirited sort, I denied him his cure. Instead, I jumped into my car and played it on my iPod while driving away. I wasn?t sure what to make of this omen. Was Jaz? presence driving them crazier or was Jaz himself going over the edge. The show started with an opening act called Amen that I quite liked. I would think most boc-l list members who like M?t?rhead could find some common ground. They are a fast metalish band with an remarkably high energy singer. I almost got hit by the mike stand a time or two as it went flying about. It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn?t throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. It took a while for Killing Joke to appear on stage and I admit I started to worry. Would Jaz go insane in San Francisco? Did he fail his sanity roll? Would he be sent to Napa? That?s our Bellevue for you New Yorkers. I don?t know if there?s a real asylum in either place now. Even the intro song, whatever it was, played all the way through. Did Jaz fall back down the stairs on his way up to the stage? But no. The band finally appears on stage and breaks into Communion, not Exorcism like I wanted them to. I actually knew what the set list would be since they taped it down right in front of me. Jaz finally marches out with his camouflage war paint peering out from behind a hooded frock while carrying a tall staff. He is in good form tonight dancing around, posing, shaking like a leaf? almost looked sane. Sorry Jaz but the truth?s the truth. Couldn?t tell if his eyes still look right through you as I was too close and too low to notice. That?s the reason I went to the show alone tonight because the person I usually go to shows with refuses to be in the same room with Jaz after the last show. Guess he was spooked. I guess Jaz felt sorry for us on account of our government because they played an extra tune, Follow the Leader which was requested by many in the audience, as their first encore number. Of course, I would have preferred Exorcism which you probably know by now. They played another number which I didn?t know but was listed as Loose Cannon on the set list although I don?t believe it was and they finished with Pandemonium as planned. I pinched Jaz? set list on the way out so I?ll post it in a followup email. My TiBook?s battery is about to die so I had better post this now. Tyranny, PTL -- "?there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra Wonder if it?ll work for laptop batteries? From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 14 12:32:25 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:32:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Other groups, etc. Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:52:48 -0500, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > i think I saw a note on the web-site that the Boredoms may play the next one...if so, don't miss it! I picked up "Vision Creation New Sun" recently, and it is MIND-fucking-blowing space/kraut-rock Yes yes! Amazing album. Loose psychedelic jamming but with seriously pounding rhythms underlying the whole thing- completely irresistible. And rather more accessible than some of the other Japanese psych that gets discussed here- I'm sure many people on this list would love it. They played a big London gig last year (Royal festival hall) which I missed, and apparently it was incredible- I still haven't forgiven myself. Especially as I actually met the promoter who told me that he would never try to bring them back to the UK as the logistics had been a nightmare- whether this was due to the group's legendary eccentricities, or more mundane reasons, he wouldn't say. On the strength of "Vision Creation Newsun" I picked up one of their early albums, "Chocolate Synthesizer", which has a completely different sound, ridiculously OTT wacky and incoherent stop-start psych-punk, funny at first but a bit wearing over a whole album, and nowhere near as good as "VCN". And that's all I know about them really- I'd be very interested to read anything else anyone has to say about this band. Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 14 13:01:51 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:01:51 -0500 Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair In-Reply-To: <200311141550.hAEFoStU001598@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:50:28PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => Mark Licht writes: => => > For those in the UK, I hope you will give the smirking chimp the welcome he => > deserves. => => If he drops by my place, I'll be sure to offer him a pretzel. Offer him two. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 14 14:23:41 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:23:41 -0500 Subject: HW:Questions and answers In-Reply-To: <00ff01c3aaa8$a4adff40$b8acbd50@default>; from boclist@HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK on Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:12:53PM -0000 Message-ID: Hi, Kris. On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:12:53PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: > Any more questions? :-) Yeah, actually :-) The web site mentions plans to release the Walthamstow 2002 Xmas-party gig. Is that still in the works? (I'm eagerly looking forward to a CD from a gig I was actually at, you see ... I'm looking forward to the Newcastle DVD too, but alas, that was the only gig on that tour that I missed.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Nov 14 14:25:58 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:25:58 -0500 Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair Message-ID: Make sure you poison it first. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair > Mark Licht writes: > > > For those in the UK, I hope you will give the smirking chimp the welcome he > > deserves. > > If he drops by my place, I'll be sure to offer him a pretzel. > > FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 15:25:23 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:25:23 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hi Iain, Arthur will not be at the Astoria; he is otherwise engaged over Christmas. Arthur has never been a full member of the band, he is a guest who appears when it suits both him and us. As to the single...wait and see! Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > Whats the single please, and are there remixes ? > > is arthur still aboard the mothership, heard he wans't at exeter and > isnt at Astoria ? > > regards > niai nosugref > > > > > > Hawkwind wrote: > > > Hello folks! > > > > The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the > > moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > > > > The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January > > > > The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc > > from next month, so keep your ears open! > > > > We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 > > hours of footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice > > stuff though. > > > > The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. > > > > Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and > > Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! > > > > Any more questions? :-) > > > > Kris > > > > . > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 15:25:38 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:25:38 -0000 Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair Message-ID: Oh, we will:) Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Licht" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Licht [mailto:mlicht at cybermesa.com] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:43 AM > To: boc-l > Subject: Off: Bush Ready for UK Protests, Talks Up Blair > > > For those in the UK, I hope you will give the smirking chimp the welcome he > deserves. Sounds like he's saying to bring them on; don't disappoint him. > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20031114/ts_nm > /bush_britain_dc > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 16:57:07 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:57:07 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Yes it is; we are working on a massive amount of stuff at the moment and it is in there. Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > Hi, Kris. > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:12:53PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: > > Any more questions? :-) > > Yeah, actually :-) > > The web site mentions plans to release the Walthamstow 2002 > Xmas-party gig. Is that still in the works? (I'm eagerly > looking forward to a CD from a gig I was actually at, you see ... > I'm looking forward to the Newcastle DVD too, but alas, that was > the only gig on that tour that I missed.) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would > be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view > of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was > all of humanity, except me. > - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 11:40:05 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:40:05 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hello Iain, Sorry its taken so long to reply, just after I invited questions, our computer crashed........ The single is a new version of Spirit of the Age with special guests (with a live version and studio version) and "b" track Angela Android. Unfortunately Arthur cannot appear at the Astoria show as he flies out to USA on 19th Dec. He says that he would have loved to have done it..........just bad timing I'm afraid. He will appear again sometime soon :-) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Ferguson To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > Whats the single please, and are there remixes ? > > is arthur still aboard the mothership, heard he wans't at exeter and > isnt at Astoria ? > > regards > niai nosugref > > > > > > Hawkwind wrote: > > > Hello folks! > > > > The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the > > moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > > > > The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January > > > > The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc > > from next month, so keep your ears open! > > > > We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 > > hours of footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice > > stuff though. > > > > The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. > > > > Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and > > Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! > > > > Any more questions? :-) > > > > Kris > > > > . > > > > > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 11:43:24 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:43:24 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hi Stephe, By "full Hawkfest 02", do you mean all the tracks by all the bands or all the tracks by Hawkwind? The double cd was meant to be an overall best of taste of the festie, it may be overkill to release it all????? What do you think? Kris . ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe Lindas To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > Hi Kris, Any chance of the full Hawkfest 02 being released. The quality on > the comp is brilliant. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hawkwind" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: HW:Questions and answers > > > Hello folks! > > The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the > moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > > The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January > > The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc from > next month, so keep your ears open! > > We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 hours of > footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice stuff though. > > The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. > > Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and > Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! > > Any more questions? :-) > > Kris > > . > > > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 12:14:22 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:14:22 -0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hi EricThere are plans to release this as a DVD, but we have only just started to edit it. Should not be too long now!Too much to do, too few people doing it :-)Kris Hi, Kris. On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:12:53PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: > Any more questions? :-) Yeah, actually :-) The web site mentions plans to release the Walthamstow 2002 Xmas-party gig. Is that still in the works? (I'm eagerly looking forward to a CD from a gig I was actually at, you see ... I'm looking forward to the Newcastle DVD too, but alas, that was the only gig on that tour that I missed.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 15 12:19:06 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:19:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' In-Reply-To: <200307301717.h6UHH5ug026722@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Rich Warren wrote: > Having been a Gong Fan for many moons, I picked the new Virgin/EMI Steve Hillage > Compilation 'Light in the Sky' > > What a cracking album, very glad I picked it up indeed, has a superb b side > collaboration with Tim Blake called 'Shimmer', and 'Ether Ships' is just a > phenomenal track. 'Activation Meditation/The Glorious Om Riff' is truly awesome. I don't suppose any suitably pot-headed people would know when that's from exactly so I can stick it in the colaborations file, would they? And I'm in two minds about that evrsion of the Om Riff; it doesn't have as much pure energy going as some of the Gong versions but on the other hand Andy Anderson's drumming is *fabulous*, changes the shape of the track every turn-around. It's just a little bit too finished, it doesn't hammer the riff into your head the way it should. But I do like it. > The sound is bolt clear, so the Hillage remasters should be worth the wait. I > hadn't realised 'GREEN' was such gem, it must be based on the 4 tracks I'm > hearing on this compilation. The second half of _Green_ is one long suite which finishes up with `Activation Meditation' and `The Glorious Om Riff', but the first half makes me cringe rather in places. In particular, being the age I am, I can't hear `Unidentified Flying Being' without immediately thinking of the Grange Hill theme tune. And `Musik of the Trees', even though I tolerate Hillage's lyrical New Age excess better than some I know, is very difficult to hear without wincing. But, with possible exception of `UFB', which is an escaped funk track that doesn't really belong, the music is great. The second side works very well (but then, it's mostly instrumental... ). Yours, Jon ObCD: Spiritual Beggars - _Per Aspera Ad Astra_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 15 12:50:21 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:50:21 -0500 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Hi Kris, I meant just the Hawkwind set. It would be quite a bit to do it all. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > Hi Stephe, > > By "full Hawkfest 02", do you mean all the tracks by all the bands or all > the tracks by Hawkwind? > The double cd was meant to be an overall best of taste of the festie, it may > be overkill to release it all????? > What do you think? > > Kris > > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephe Lindas > To: > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Questions and answers > > > > Hi Kris, Any chance of the full Hawkfest 02 being released. The quality on > > the comp is brilliant. Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hawkwind" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:12 AM > > Subject: HW:Questions and answers > > > > > > Hello folks! > > > > The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the > > moment so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > > > > The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January > > > > The new single will be out in Jan, but will be promoted on radio etc from > > next month, so keep your ears open! > > > > We are working on Hawkfest 2003 DVD at the moment. We have about 18 hours > of > > footage and need to get it down to about 6! Some really nice stuff though. > > > > The Hawkfest 2002 cd will be available soon with a new cover. > > > > Listen out on Planet Rock for a special show with Dave interview and > > Hawkwind music. Not sure when its scheduled for, but should be soon! > > > > Any more questions? :-) > > > > Kris > > > > . > > > > > > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Nov 15 21:57:13 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:57:13 -0500 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online Message-ID: The exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke has been aired and archived for streaming / download. The show is archived on www.wmse.org. Instructions: Schedule page link: http://www.wmse.org/schedule.php Scroll down to Saturday and choose: 4:00 PM - The Host with Alternative. Display available archives for this show Click on the word "Display" to see the archive list. (This may take a minute or so to pop up / fill in.) There are *3* .mp3 quality versions of the same file to stream and/or download from the airing date of Nov 15, 2003. What a radio station, huh? I downloaded the 56k version to test things and the DJ, Paul Host, had a totally great show from 4pm to 6pm and the highlights start at about the 00:18:00 minute mark with "Faith Healer" from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band which Killing Joke used for their intro music before getting on stage and then the whole interview with KJ and music clips start at about the 01:00:00 mark opening with "The Death and Resurrection Show" and ending at the very end of the 2 hour .mp3 file / 1 hour interview with "Tension". Paul did a fantastic job and spent a ton of time on this. He had to edit the interview a bit to take out a few words the fcc.gov still won't let you say on the air but otherwise, it was the whole interview he had with Jaz. Jaz definitely still has a few amazing brain cells left in that wonderful, intelligent, insightful head of his. He apologized to Milwaukee for the "off" show they had here and confirmed he had mixed medication with alcohol and was not at all himself. I do feel for the Philly folks who didn't get to see any show at all but in a way, no show might have been better that having to witness what I thought was the fall of one of my favorite bands! I just couldn't bear that to be my last memory of them. So, a little persistence paid off and management graciously agreed to arrange the interview for all of us to hear. Not a great concert but something pretty cool in its place. Thanks again to KJ management, Jaz, the band, DJ Paul Host and radio station WMSE for saving and archiving this program including the interview. Enjoy!!! From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 16 02:01:40 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:01:40 -0500 Subject: pardon my not posting OFF before this ... sorry gang, I do know better! eom Message-ID: message in subject From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Nov 16 07:08:37 2003 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:08:37 -0000 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online > Paul did a fantastic job and spent a ton of time on this. He had to edit > the interview a bit to take out a few words the fcc.gov still won't let > you say on the air but otherwise, it was the whole interview he had with > Jaz. cool i look forward to listening to it, but one thing though after reading your post i was wondering what are these words you mention that are banned from being spoken on air? many thanks colm From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 16 12:47:31 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:47:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Updates and Teazers In-Reply-To: <008f01c37706$9be48620$0d736751@IRONDREAM> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Colm McWilliams wrote: > I cant see why they dont just tell us who this band is or if they cant cos > it hasnt been finalised yet not say anything at all till it has. > > Also when they say a well known American psychedelic band do they mean well > known within our circles only or well known outside our circles? > > Rik lets out... > > > > >We are not now doing an Autumn tour, as we have the opportunity > > >to tour with a very well known American psychedelic band in the > > >spring, with the possibility of producing a joint live CD with > > >them.... More info to come on this as soon as things are firmed up !!! Amid the flurry of other news, this seems to have got lost... Has it foundered as a plan, and been consigned with the other half-baked ones, or what? Yours, always gotta be sceptical about something, Jon P. S. I'll be at the Christmas gig anyway money permitting; sadly I don't know that it's going to permit, however... ObCD: Jimi Hendrix - _Blue Wild Angel: live at the Isle of Wight_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 16 13:35:53 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:35:53 -0500 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online Message-ID: Good question on the banned words. I believe I found some good info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words In the Killing Joke interview ... I know the DJ had to remove a couple sh*ts. ;) I didn't even notice them when hearing the uncut interview since that's a pretty common word in today's vocabulary, that I probably use myself too much too, for better or worse. I'll probably find out more about this next year in school since I'm a first semester Broadcast Captioning student ... that is, someone who's learning to do "closed captioning" for TV. Let's hope the words get bleeped out in the live feeds I'll be getting so I don't have to think about whether I should type it or not! In court, they probably do type the exact words since they need a verbatim record of what was said. Censorship. Not to endorse the "banned" words but after they've been used so much in today's society, they've really lost a lot of their shock value. I suppose they're not words someone would want their kid using though ... I'm very opposed to censorship of any kind but I'm not a parent and could see why they might not want young children exposed to certain things before they should be. Hope those of you who are interested in Killing Joke find the interview worthwhile. I learned a few new things. I should have posted OFF: before the subject but forgot ... The lead singer, Jaz Coleman, was introduced to rock at 15 by a girl who got him stoned and played him a Can album! More about that in this article: http://www.westword.com/issues/2003-10-30/music2.html/1/index.html So, a little spacerock connection there. :) Karen From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Nov 16 14:12:27 2003 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:12:27 -0000 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online Message-ID: Cheers for the info karen colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online > Good question on the banned words. > > I believe I found some good info here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words > > In the Killing Joke interview ... I know the DJ had to remove a couple sh*ts. > > ;) > > I didn't even notice them when hearing the uncut interview since that's a > pretty common word in today's vocabulary, that I probably use myself too > much too, for better or worse. > > I'll probably find out more about this next year in school since I'm a first > semester Broadcast Captioning student ... that is, someone who's learning to > do "closed captioning" for TV. > > Let's hope the words get bleeped out in the live feeds I'll be getting so I > don't have to think about whether I should type it or not! In court, they > probably do type the exact words since they need a verbatim record of what > was said. > > Censorship. Not to endorse the "banned" words but after they've been used > so much in today's society, they've really lost a lot of their shock value. > > I suppose they're not words someone would want their kid using though ... > > I'm very opposed to censorship of any kind but I'm not a parent and could > see why they might not want young children exposed to certain things before > they should be. > > Hope those of you who are interested in Killing Joke find the interview > worthwhile. I learned a few new things. I should have posted OFF: before > the subject but forgot ... > > The lead singer, Jaz Coleman, was introduced to rock at 15 by a girl who got > him stoned and played him a Can album! More about that in this article: > > http://www.westword.com/issues/2003-10-30/music2.html/1/index.html > > So, a little spacerock connection there. :) > > Karen > From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Sun Nov 16 14:31:48 2003 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:31:48 -0600 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online..FWIW Message-ID: FWIW....here's a text of the George Carlin monologue that started it all... http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml ....and a recent news release that explainds how the FCC allows the use of the third word as an adjective...(Thanks, Bono!") I heard about it a few weeks ago...just found this article that confirms it... http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1249 From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 16 15:17:18 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:17:18 -0500 Subject: exclusive Milwaukee, WI radio interview with Jaz of Killing Joke is online..FWIW Message-ID: That was a really, really, fucking brilliant article! ;) Cool. On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:31:48 -0600, Tom Clark wrote: >FWIW....here's a text of the George Carlin monologue that started it all... > >http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml > >....and a recent news release that explainds how the FCC allows the use of >the third word as an adjective...(Thanks, Bono!") I heard about it a few >weeks ago...just found this article that confirms it... > >http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1249 From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 16 17:13:06 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:13:06 -0000 Subject: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' Message-ID: 1978. Around about the time that Hillage and Blake were on the Xitintoday. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jon Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 15 November 2003 17:19 Subject: Re: OFF: Steve Hillage 'Light in the Sky' >On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Rich Warren wrote: > >> Having been a Gong Fan for many moons, I picked the new Virgin/EMI Steve Hillage >> Compilation 'Light in the Sky' >> >> What a cracking album, very glad I picked it up indeed, has a superb b side >> collaboration with Tim Blake called 'Shimmer', and 'Ether Ships' is just a >> phenomenal track. 'Activation Meditation/The Glorious Om Riff' is truly awesome. > > I don't suppose any suitably pot-headed people would know when >that's from exactly so I can stick it in the colaborations file, would >they? > > And I'm in two minds about that evrsion of the Om Riff; it doesn't >have as much pure energy going as some of the Gong versions but on the >other hand Andy Anderson's drumming is *fabulous*, changes the shape of >the track every turn-around. It's just a little bit too finished, it >doesn't hammer the riff into your head the way it should. But I do like >it. > > > >> The sound is bolt clear, so the Hillage remasters should be worth the wait. I >> hadn't realised 'GREEN' was such gem, it must be based on the 4 tracks I'm >> hearing on this compilation. > > The second half of _Green_ is one long suite which finishes up >with `Activation Meditation' and `The Glorious Om Riff', but the first >half makes me cringe rather in places. In particular, being the age I am, >I can't hear `Unidentified Flying Being' without immediately thinking of >the Grange Hill theme tune. And `Musik of the Trees', even though I >tolerate Hillage's lyrical New Age excess better than some I know, is very >difficult to hear without wincing. But, with possible exception of `UFB', >which is an escaped funk track that doesn't really belong, the music is >great. The second side works very well (but then, it's mostly >instrumental... ). Yours, > Jon > >ObCD: Spiritual Beggars - _Per Aspera Ad Astra_ >-- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Nov 16 18:59:07 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:59:07 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK & One Eyed Bishops sale price cds on Ebay/ gig announcement Message-ID: Hello friends, Many of you have supported Sloterdijk & The One Eyed Bishops and for this I thank you very much. For this reason, I'd like to call to your attention, that we have slashed prices on some of our cd offerings on ebay. We have several titles beginning at $1.99, including our show from Hawkfest 2002, our collaboration with 'Thom The World Poet', from Strange Daze 1999 ( Nelson Ledges, Ohio), and more. We are also offering a 'Buy it Now' option on the recent Hawkwind tribute double CD, 'Daze of The Underground' for $12.99 plus shipping & handling. Additionally, we have just released 'The Wrong Way Inn', Amityville, Long Island, New York 8/25/01 You can see the track listings and info on the ebay listing. If you are looking to purchase this disc for your collection and you don't win the current auction, don't worry, because we will be offering it on a continuous basis, until everyone who wants one obtains it. This will be the first in a series of live shows we plan on making available over the next months. Just go to http://www.ebay.com and search for Sloterdijk, The One Eyed Bishops or One Eyed Bishops. You can also find them cross listed under Hawkwind. The One Eyed Bishops will be appearing at 'The Geraldine Clinton Little Theater', Wednesday December 3rd, 2003 on the campus of Burlington County College ( Parker Center Building ). There will be various other acts performing as well and the event offically runs from 7-10 PM, however The OEBs will take the stage between 8:00-8:30 PM. The performance is FREE & there will also be FREE FOOD and FREE non-alcoholic beverages, so why not drop by. We will be playing all new material including several numbers popularized by Eric Burdon & The Animals. For directions you can contact: Jesan Sorella Literary Club President 609-894-9311 extension 7510 e-mail to: cross109_ at excite.com or check out the BCC website at: http://www.bcc.edu Hope to see some of you there!!!! Cheers! Mike Burro _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From ptl at WELL.COM Mon Nov 17 11:16:05 2003 From: ptl at WELL.COM (Patrick Lenneau) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:16:05 -0800 Subject: OFF: SF Joke Set List Message-ID: Communion Requiem Total Invasion Wardance Blood On Your Hands Change Seeing Red Fall Of Because D & R Empire ? Wait Asteroid White Out Frenzy Pssyche ------------------------ Loose Cannon Pandemonium As mentioned in the previous email, Follow The Leader was the first encore number instead of Loose Cannon and I believe something else was played in place of Loose Cannon although I didn?t recognize it, wasn?t Exorcism. Perhaps someone else did. Anyone else at the SF show? Tyranny, PTL From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:44:30 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:44:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Questions & Answers Message-ID: >Hi Stephe, >By "full Hawkfest 02", do you mean all the tracks by all the bands or all >the tracks by Hawkwind? What I think he meant was the whole of the Hawkwind set from Hawkfest 2003 ;-) >The double cd was meant to be an overall best of taste of the festie, it may >be overkill to release it all????? >What do you think? >Kris I'd be the first in the queue for the whole of the Hawkwind set from Hawkfest 2003 xx Maxine Kris From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Mon Nov 17 13:41:01 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:41:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Natas cover Message-ID: Anyone on the list heard this? ** LOS NATAS - NEW 7" IN STOCK NOW: This super cool 7" is specially imported direct from Sweden and features seriously spaced out covers of Hawkwind's "Brainstorm" (Tormenta Mental in Spanish) and Black Sabbath's classic "Paranoid" (Paranoico). I beleive it is sung in spanish as well. I want to find this! scott Ob CD- Sundial- One Way Out (UK 1990) Amazing album! From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Nov 17 15:54:49 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:54:49 -0500 Subject: HW:Questions and answers Message-ID: Kris wrote - >By "full Hawkfest 02", do you mean all the tracks by all the bands or all >the tracks by Hawkwind? >The double cd was meant to be an overall best of taste of the festie, it may >be overkill to release it all????? >What do you think? I'd certainly buy a CD of the full Hawkwind set from Hawkfest 02. I'm sure most fans would welcome official recordings from each tour and special gigs like the Astoria. The sound wouldn't have to be perfect and artwork could be provided for free by artistic fans. Why not sell them as CD-Rs direct from Mission Control and generate a few extra quid for the band? I'm sure this has been raised before and there are 'Good Reasons' why it can't happen - but the demand is there and I can't see how it would conflict with official studio releases with a label. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 18 08:36:40 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:36:40 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: tBS in Boston this weekend Message-ID: Well, Cambridge technically... The Brain Surgeons will be at T. T. the Bears in Cambridge (Central Square) this Saturday night (11/22) - tBS are headlining the evening of about 5 bands and are expected to operate at around 11:30 pm. Hope to see some of you there. Also, you can now order the Brain Surgeons DVD, "Barn Dance" online from CustomFlix: http://www.customflix.com/Store/ShowTtl.jsp;jsessionid=a5WojjeLtwUc?rtnPt=0&id=205200&isPreview John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 12:21:01 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:21:01 GMT Subject: Right to decide? Message-ID: A good story of someone standing up for their rights: http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/frederick/frederick1.html From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 18 21:02:38 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:02:38 EST Subject: Right to decide? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2003 12:22:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: A good story of someone standing up for their rights: http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/frederick/frederick1.html I thought this kind of shit only happened in Other Countries, not The Land of the Free! Joe From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Nov 19 01:47:10 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:47:10 -0500 Subject: Right to decide? Message-ID: What a great story. Thanks for sharing! I hope that student wins his case. Please keep me posted. I'm going to check out the rest of that site too! Looks like a good one. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 07:13:08 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:13:08 GMT Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: JLoehr4299@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:02:38 EST Message-ID: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 11/18/2003 12:22:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > A good story of someone standing up for their rights: > > http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/frederick/frederick1.html > I thought this kind of shit only happened in Other Countries, not The Land of > the Free! I have something of a politically incorrect interest in political correctness in education. In the US, the lunatics have taken over the asylum and they're charging fees to share the experience (attr: some peever wag). Some campuses have set up "free speech zones" which amount to a bandstand where you can say what you like. Elsewhere on campus, if you say anything that offends anyone (particularly anyone on the left on anything to do with gay black disabled cognitively challenged folks) you'll be hauled up before a reeducation committee before you can say First Amendment. Classes in "Herstory" have been scheduled where "conservative-thinking" students have been advised not to apply. Staff who've supported Israel have been disciplined because they offended Palestinian-supporting students. Conservative student clubs have been either banned, had their magazines burned on campus, or have been prevented from inviting speakers. What Mr. O'Rourke called "the Perpetually Indignant" are now making an academic career out of finding things to be offended about and having the offender hauled over the coals on pain of being expelled for refusal. It's got so bad that Congressional Bills are now being threatened to bring about "diversity" in education by selective appointment of conservative academics. Schools are faring barely better. Students are being piss tested at random where the students and their parents are being too lax in tackling administrations. Students are searched without warrant (in one case public searches to check the girls were wearing approved underwear to a school dance). Several students who've written fiction involving violence have been suspended. Meanwhile the adults have banned themselves from having on school grounds, the handguns with which they could protect their charges from threat. I know of a couple of cases in which staff who illegally had handguns in their cars managed to prevent massacres. Basically it's barking over there and there are folks who'd have it the same way over here. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 19 08:17:49 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:17:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet activity (was: Re: HW: Updates and Teazers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Karen Kusic wrote: > What *is* up with Monster Magnet? Anything new in the works? Well, I've been trying to learn this myself. If you have a look at the official site, there's very little information, but if you follow the links through to the Tribute to Monster Magnet site at there's an interview from last year where Dave gives more background (and just generally bombasts to Olympic standard). The summary of that would be: shortly after the new deal with SPV assuming you knew they had a new deal with SPV) Dave fired the rhythm section, for not being into it enough, midway through last year, and hired on bassist Jim Baglino and a drummer by the name of Michael Wildwood. At that point there were demos under work for a new album which was then provisionally entitled _Radiation Day_, and Dave was also doing a soundtrack for a film about motorcycles by Joseph Khan called _Torque_, of which one song at least will be on the new album. That was with some but not all of the MM people, and others including Tommy Lee ("yes, that Tommy Lee" says Dave). Then, European dates appeared, or at least one in London December 7th; and then just yesterday I got a message from Stuart's _Zeitgeist_ newsfeed and on going to look, apparently Dave's fired the new drummer as well and is looking for a new one, while meanwhile there are more confirmed dates in the UK and Brussels in February. This is corroborated by Freak Shop USA, the Tribute site I cite above, but nothing on the official site as yet. So, they're doing something but we don't really know what or with whom yet, but have a chance to see soon... Yours, Jon ObCD: The Crazy World of Arthur Brown - _The Crazy World of Arthur Brown_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 19 12:22:35 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:22:35 -0500 Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: <200311191213.hAJCD8rU029023@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:13:08PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => I have something of a politically incorrect interest in political => correctness in education. In the US, the lunatics have taken over the => asylum and they're charging fees to share the experience (attr: some => peever wag). Some campuses have set up "free speech zones" which amount => to a bandstand where you can say what you like. Elsewhere on campus, if => you say anything that offends anyone (particularly anyone on the left on => anything to do with gay black disabled cognitively challenged folks) => you'll be hauled up before a reeducation committee before you can say => First Amendment. Classes in "Herstory" have been scheduled where => "conservative-thinking" students have been advised not to apply. Staff => who've supported Israel have been disciplined because they offended => Palestinian-supporting students. Conservative student clubs have been => either banned, had their magazines burned on campus, or have been => prevented from inviting speakers. What Mr. O'Rourke called "the => Perpetually Indignant" are now making an academic career out of finding => things to be offended about and having the offender hauled over the => coals on pain of being expelled for refusal. It's got so bad that => Congressional Bills are now being threatened to bring about "diversity" => in education by selective appointment of conservative academics. You know Mike, you might actually try *being* on a US university campus rather than getting your facts vicariously through various chaps like O'Rourke who strike me as being more about making a living selling books and promoting themselves than presenting unbiased fact. Your world-view of US campuses bears no relation to my direct ongoing experience, nor of anyone I know at other campuses (both as faculty or student). And I'm at a university that has acknowledged "campus diversity issues" and occasional "diversity forums!" So, either someone is generalising marginal cases to the whole damn system, or there is a carefully orchestrated cover-up being erected around me and everyone I know to shield us from this rampant political re-education programme. Now if you want to talk about loony, why not have a butchers at "No Child Left Behind," where children are mandated not to be sick because perfect attendance is required to be in compliance... :-\ Cheers, Paul. PS: Actually, here at VT it's been the lefties so far who've been stopped from speaking by the administration. We had some "Earth First!" speakers at one time refused to speak on campus as invited speakers by a club, and it was stated that henceforth all speakers would have to be cleared by the university before being allowed to speak. The reason given was it allegedly violated some "promotion of terrorism" aspect of some gubbins like the Patriot Act (or similar heavy-handed right-wing legislation currently under effect). After a brouhaha (including faculty mass silent protests), the Powers That Be eventually backed down and removed the vetting requirement. But it's only conservatives who are being singled out, right? e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Nov 19 13:02:15 2003 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:15 -0500 Subject: Right to decide? Message-ID: >>> paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU 11/19/03 12:22PM >>> You know Mike, you might actually try *being* on a US university campus rather than getting your facts vicariously through various chaps like O'Rourke who strike me as being more about making a living selling books and promoting themselves than presenting unbiased fact. ................ And who started out as a liberal. He knew enough to change horses when he realized that the conservatives needed somebody to do their thinking for them, a la Limbaugh, and that he could make a good buck off them... ........................... Your world-view of US campuses bears no relation to my direct ongoing experience, nor of anyone I know at other campuses (both as faculty or student). And I'm at a university that has acknowledged "campus diversity issues" and occasional "diversity forums!" Cheers, Paul. ................................ Same here, and I'm in the 'yankee' northeast, and at this University, W enjoys a high approval rating among the spoiled rich kids who party here... .................................... PS: Actually, here at VT it's been the lefties so far who've been stopped from speaking by the administration. We had some "Earth First!" speakers at one time refused to speak on campus as invited speakers by a club, and it was stated that henceforth all speakers would have to be cleared by the university before being allowed to speak. The reason given was it allegedly violated some "promotion of terrorism" aspect of some gubbins like the Patriot Act (or similar heavy-handed right-wing legislation currently under effect). After a brouhaha (including faculty mass silent protests), the Powers That Be eventually backed down and removed the vetting requirement. But it's only conservatives who are being singled out, right? .................................. You said a mouthful! I suppose it's the lefties that are responsible for spying on peoples reading habits here at my library, or the lefties who were responsible for all those new video cameras at just about every intersection. It's lucky for us that there are so many conservatives around protecting my civil rights, or there's be a camera in my shithouse due to all the hand-wringing lefties! If the US is so awash in liberal fright, then why do you suppose that pinhead idiot in the White House was able to steal the election, and will doubtless be reelected even if he choses not to campaign? And how do you suppose that his puppeteer's company got to be the beneficiary of a cool $87 billion to 'rebuild' Iraq? What were those idiot lefties thinking? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 13:24:26 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:24:26 GMT Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:22:35 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > You know Mike, you might actually try *being* on a US university > campus rather than getting your facts vicariously through various > chaps like O'Rourke Hey, I just get them of wesites by looking at what FIRE and others have been up against. > Your world-view of US campuses bears no relation to my direct ongoing > experience, nor of anyone I know at other campuses (both as faculty or > student). And I'm at a university that has acknowledged "campus > diversity issues" and occasional "diversity forums!" So what proportion of academics are Republicans where you are? Why are there "diversity issues" where you are if there's no problem? Why would they need "diversity forums"? Do First Amendment rights hold for everyone anywhere on campus or are there "speech codes" concerning things people aren't permited to say? Where are you? > Now if you want to talk about loony, why not have a butchers at "No > Child Left Behind," where children are mandated not to be sick because > perfect attendance is required to be in compliance... :-\ I haven't been following that programme. Got a reference I could look at? > PS: Actually, here at VT it's been the lefties so far who've been > stopped from speaking by the administration. Surely they have the same rights as everone else? > We had some "Earth > First!" speakers at one time refused to speak on campus as invited > speakers by a club, and it was stated that henceforth all speakers > would have to be cleared by the university before being allowed to > speak. The reason given was it allegedly violated some "promotion of > terrorism" aspect of some gubbins like the Patriot Act (or similar > heavy-handed right-wing legislation currently under effect). After a > brouhaha (including faculty mass silent protests), the Powers That Be > eventually backed down and removed the vetting requirement. > But it's only conservatives who are being singled out, right? Not what I said and I'm pro free speech for everyone from Stalinist Communist right through to the National Front. Still, do you know of any bills going through Congress to increase the number of leftwingers in Academia? Do you think there's a shortage? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 13:33:49 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:33:49 GMT Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > I suppose it's the lefties that are responsible for > spying on peoples reading habits here at my library, or the lefties who > were responsible for all those new video cameras at just about every > intersection. Certainly our lefties in the UK are rather keen on them. Blunkett has yet to suggest keeping recods of what we read, but it wouldn't be out of haracter for him. If you're sugesting hwever that I'm a fan of either Bush or Ashcroft then you're very much mistaken. > It's lucky for us that there are so many conservatives around > protecting my civil rights I suspect you'll find that in the US, the Libertarians are keener to protect them than are the conservatives. > or there's be a camera in my shithouse due to all > the hand-wringing lefties! Is there a website? > If the US is so awash in liberal fright, then why do you suppose that > pinhead idiot in the White House was able to steal the election Idiot leftwingers voting for Pat Buchanan is what I heard. > and > will doubtless be reelected even if he choses not to campaign? So let's see: Bush is running an economy where yanks borrow a billion and a half Dollars per day from the rest of us. He's mired down in two wars. The government is borrowing near half a trillion Dollars per annum and it still can't balance the books. Damn near every city and state would be near bankrupt if the books weren't faked. Yet you'll reelect Bush even if he can't be bothered to campaign. Why is that? Beats the hell out of me. > And how do you suppose that his puppeteer's company got to be the > beneficiary of a cool $87 billion to 'rebuild' Iraq? What were those > idiot lefties thinking? Probably just the same as the Right: that they'll indulge politicians who ignore the law just so long as it's their guy. What goes around comes around I guess. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 19 14:43:01 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:43:01 -0500 Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: <200311191824.hAJIOQ2G007559@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 06:24:26PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => So what proportion of academics are Republicans where you are? To be honest, I don't know. Faculty are not required to divulge political affiliations upon employment, nor should they, IMHO. => Why are => there "diversity issues" where you are if there's no problem? The "diversity issues" are an unfortunate statistical fact. We are underrepresented in faculty hiring of ethnic minorities compared to the proportions of those same minorities in the student body. So, there is an effort to try and address that imbalance. => Why would => they need "diversity forums"? By my perspective, the "diversity forums" were to placate the local media, who seem to latch onto stories like little terriers and make a big deal out of them. (This is not to say that vocal minorities also do not play the media for their own ends.) So, it seems the forums are to ensure that everything is "above board" and people are being allowed their say. Also playing into it are several underhanded moves by the Board of Governors, who passed some measures by fiat in closed session that angered quite a few on campus (one such being the pre-vetting requirement). There was also the high-profile (for our campus) case where they reversed a decision regarding faculty hiring after they discovered the person was gay. That didn't seem to go down very well with the department that wanted to do the hiring. So, all these BOG shenanigans created an atmosphere of "demand" for these forums. => Do First Amendment rights hold for => everyone anywhere on campus or are there "speech codes" concerning => things people aren't permited to say? They hold for everyone, so far as I know (modulo perhaps that vague "promotion of terrorism" gubbins I mentioned before, but that may be a more general law now than a campus regulation). I think, too, if you maybe stood up in Diff.Eq. class to give a lengthy treatise of how, like totally cool, Britney Spears' latest video and album are, you might be asked to shut up/leave, so there may be some limits on First Amendment rights (which, as I'm sure you know, are modified in an educational setting). :-) I'd actually dub our student body as being more conservative, certainly going by the campus newspaper letters page. :-) => Where are you? Virginia Tech, a.k.a. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, b.k.a. one of those scoundrels who jumped ship from the Big East for the Big Bucks of the ACC. ;-) (We're Michael Vick's former school. Oh, wait a minute, you're British. That'll mean nothing to you.;) It's (I believe) the largest publicly-funded four-year college in Virginia, and is located in Blacksburg, Virginia. I think it has about 25000+ currently-enrolled students. It's probably best known for its engineering programme (and its vet med college). Its biotechnology centre is also gaining recognition. (BTW, the partners to the company that cloned "Dolly the Sheep" are based at the Corporate Research Center, I believe.) Very recently, we installed a cluster supercomputer that currently ranks as #3 fastest in the world. There is an on-campus Corps of Cadets with three active ROTC programmes. One of our cadets was killed in the recent Iraqi invasion. => > Now if you want to talk about loony, why not have a butchers at "No => > Child Left Behind," where children are mandated not to be sick because => > perfect attendance is required to be in compliance... :-\ => => I haven't been following that programme. Got a reference I could look at? The official government site is at http://www.nclb.gov. (Remember, though, when it comes to compliance, the devil is in the details.:) Like most things, I'd say it is a curate's egg. Having observed the standards kick they've been on here in Virginia with the Commonwealth's "Standards of Learning" (SOL), I'd say when it comes down to the crunch they'll lower the bar (and other creative ways to remain certified) when schools begin flunking en masse. So much for accountability; it's only important to maintain the *appearance* of accountabilty here. :-) => Not what I said and I'm pro free speech for everyone from Stalinist => Communist right through to the National Front. Still, do you know of => any bills going through Congress to increase the number of leftwingers => in Academia? Do you think there's a shortage? Sorry about the mischaracterisation, Mike. As for the numbers of left/right wingers, my view is that faculty should focus on teaching and not have to inject politics or declare a political affiliation. If political quotas are deemed necessary by the current Congress, I feel that's a sad day for us all. (Besides, how do you measure this? Do you have to be registered with an approved political party to be able to count against the quota? Wouldn't that be a Closed Shop? Do we go back to the loyalty oaths that were once de rigeur even unto the 1970s?) I do have a sneaking feeling that the apparent push in the current Congress to increase the numbers of right-wingers in academia might be coincidentally allied with the current makeup of said Congress. Besides that, surely if students, etc. wanted more right-wingers in faculty positions it would be reflected in their spending^Whiring patterns... ;-) (Sorry, thanks to you, that's now my catch-all answer to everything.:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 15:17:18 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:17:18 GMT Subject: Right to decide? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 06:24:26PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => So what proportion of academics are Republicans where you are? > > To be honest, I don't know. Faculty are not required to divulge > political affiliations upon employment, nor should they, IMHO. That's fair. > => Why are > => there "diversity issues" where you are if there's no problem? > > The "diversity issues" are an unfortunate statistical fact. We are > underrepresented in faculty hiring of ethnic minorities compared to > the proportions of those same minorities in the student body. So, > there is an effort to try and address that imbalance. Is the student body fairly selected or, as in other Universities i the US I've read of, are there different qualifying bars set for people of different races? (Note that I'm to trying to be offensive - I'm as amazed as anyone else that entry wouldn't just be based on results and totally race-blind - I've had an experment run here where we blinded all sex, religion, address, school status and race information before looking at folks making part-time job applications) > Also playing into it are several underhanded moves by the Board of > Governors, who passed some measures by fiat in closed session that > angered quite a few on campus (one such being the pre-vetting > requirement). What's that? > There was also the high-profile (for our campus) case > where they reversed a decision regarding faculty hiring after they > discovered the person was gay. That didn't seem to go down very well > with the department that wanted to do the hiring. It's legal to cancel a apointment simply from sexual bias? > (We're Michael Vick's former school. Oh, wait a minute, you're > British. That'll mean nothing to you.;) I'm afraid so. > It's (I believe) the largest publicly-funded four-year college in > Virginia, and is located in Blacksburg, Virginia. I think it has > about 25000+ currently-enrolled students. It's probably best known > for its engineering programme (and its vet med college). Its > biotechnology centre is also gaining recognition. (BTW, the partners > to the company that cloned "Dolly the Sheep" are based at the > Corporate Research Center, I believe.) Yep, they're based near here and in deep financial trouble IIRC. > => > Now if you want to talk about loony, why not have a butchers at "No > => > Child Left Behind," where children are mandated not to be sick because > => > perfect attendance is required to be in compliance... :-\ > => > => I haven't been following that programme. Got a reference I could look at? > > The official government site is at http://www.nclb.gov. (Remember, > though, when it comes to compliance, the devil is in the details.:) > Like most things, I'd say it is a curate's egg. Having observed the > standards kick they've been on here in Virginia with the > Commonwealth's "Standards of Learning" (SOL), I'd say when it comes > down to the crunch they'll lower the bar (and other creative ways to > remain certified) when schools begin flunking en masse. So much for > accountability; it's only important to maintain the *appearance* of > accountabilty here. :-) Sounds like the targets boondoggle we have in the schools here. We still get students who are functionally illiterate. Basically a minister says they'll resign if the targets aren't met and so the targets are later lowered to meet the abysmal exam results. > Sorry about the mischaracterisation, Mike. As for the numbers of > left/right wingers, my view is that faculty should focus on teaching > and not have to inject politics or declare a political affiliation. > If political quotas are deemed necessary by the current Congress, I > feel that's a sad day for us all. Amen, but if the tenor of the FIRE stuff is even half correct, I can see how they got there. "Herstory" classes indeed. > (Besides, how do you measure this? The World's Smallest Political Quiz? ;-) I wonder what the quota for libertarians will be. > Do you have to be registered with an approved political party to be > able to count against the quota? Heh. I'm in trouble if that ever comes about here. > Wouldn't that be a Closed Shop? Do > we go back to the loyalty oaths that were once de rigeur even unto the > 1970s?) Don't joke. I was at a Disability Awareness seminar last week and we got a session on "Special Needs": is this a Good Word, A Bad Word or a Medium Word. The Blind bloke from Disability Scotland who was leading the proceedings took the hump when I asked him if it used to be a good word (it's a Bad Word y'see) and when he confirmed this I asked who got to decide when it got made a bad one. On his stating "the disabled" I questioned the mechanism for ths and whether they had any right to control the language. After that they floated the "Social model of disability" (that the disabled aren't disabled by medical conditions, they're disabled by society's response to this). I thought I did well to avoid the word "bollocks" and used "silly" instead. I'm not their favourite person apparently. PC is on its way in here too. > I do have a sneaking feeling that the apparent push in the current > Congress to increase the numbers of right-wingers in academia might be > coincidentally allied with the current makeup of said Congress. Maybe, but they're usually keener to go where the money is. > Besides that, surely if students, etc. wanted more right-wingers in > faculty positions it would be reflected in their spending^Whiring > patterns... ;-) I think that's where FIRE come in... > (Sorry, thanks to you, that's now my catch-all answer to everything.:) It's a good answer most of the time... Cheers FoFP From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 18:22:00 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:22:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Right to decide? Message-ID: Dunno about anyone else but this is pretty much the kind of school I grew up in. Basically there was only one rule - if you were told it was Wrong to do something then it was Wrong. Full stop. End of story. No point arguing, protesting, complaining or anything else. That was the rule. You just made sure no-one caught you next time! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Right to decide? > A good story of someone standing up for their rights: > > http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/frederick/frederick1.html > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu Nov 20 12:22:12 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Subject: Off: Right To Decide et. al. Message-ID: y'know, I thought this might stir things up (knowing Mr. Holmes as I do ;-{)> ) So I thought I'd have my 2p worth... > ------------------------------ > From: M Holmes > Ted Jackson writes: > > > I suppose it's the lefties that are responsible for spying on > > peoples reading habits here at my library, or the lefties who > > were responsible for all those new video cameras at just about every > > intersection. > > Certainly our lefties in the UK are rather keen on them. Blunkett has > yet to suggest keeping recods of what we read, but it wouldn't be out of > haracter for him. If you're sugesting hwever that I'm a fan of either > Bush or Ashcroft then you're very much mistaken. Wakey-wakey Mike, what on earth gives you the idea that Blunkett is a lefty - OK, so he used to be the head-lad in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire (that's Sheffield for you furriners!), but like so many of his fellows in the Labour party (Straw, Blair, Clarke...) he's swung so hard right it's a wonder he's not spinning with his guide dog orbiting on the end of its lead! > => > Now if you want to talk about loony, why not have a butchers at "No > => > Child Left Behind," where children are mandated not to be sick because > => > perfect attendance is required to be in compliance... :-\ They have a similar kind of policy on my daughter's BTEC course - I understand the sentiment but the way it's implemented is bonkers! As for the standards in education issue - as somebody with two teenage kids, I am left speechless by the low academic standards of todays exams, and at the way that the drive to have "continuous improvement" means that we are reaching a point where soon it will be almost impossible to differentiate between students on the basis of their academic results. We're already at a point where GCSE (exams at 16) results are being taken into consideration by some Unis, how long before they're looking at the age 12 & 14 assessments...madness - maybe it's time we went back to the old "shift the bell curve method" that at least meant you could differentiate between the members of a year group. A teacher friend of mine commented that his students were no longer interested in finding out how to derive a solution to a problem, they just wanted to "know what the answer was" for the purposes of the exam. Bye-bye Socratic method! > => Not what I said and I'm pro free speech for everyone from Stalinist > => Communist right through to the National Front. I'll (mostly) go along with that too; although some of these people may have distasteful views, if they air them in public, you can argue against them, and you know who the buggers are! That said, during my time in Belgium, I was quite shocked at some of the things that were said at dinner tables in ostensibly "polite company"! It was a reminder that cultural norms in one country can be way different to another, even in Western Europe. ChrisW From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 20 14:39:41 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:39:41 -0500 Subject: Off: Right To Decide et. al. In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D20602669979@uk01ex01.travel.oag.com>; from CWarburton@OAG.COM on Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 05:22:12PM -0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 05:22:12PM -0000, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > A teacher friend of mine commented that his > students were no longer interested in finding out how to derive a solution > to a problem, they just wanted to "know what the answer was" for the > purposes of the exam. Bye-bye Socratic method! When I was in school, an answer without a derivation would be worth approximately 0 (except in highschool chemistry, where the tests were all multiple-guess). Has that changed too? Chemistry finals, on the other hand, went the other way entirely. They weren't multiple-guess -- but they were open-book. The questions were designed to test understanding, not simple knowledge of facts. and so the teachers felt (and told us so quite clearly) that having your textbook available to look facts up in wouldn't help you much if you didn't understand the material. (I suppose they must also have felt that by making the exams open-book, and thus freeing us from the need for rote memorization, they were steering us toward using our study time on the stuff that isn't so easily looked up in reference books.) I have a lot of respect for that. It much more closely models real, working life. I'm forever looking up facts (command syntaxes, calling sequences, file formats, HTML tags, and on and on); a lot of the skill is in knowing *where* to find them, and knowing *which* facts you want in the first place. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 06:01:13 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:01:13 GMT Subject: Off: Right To Decide et. al. In-Reply-To: CWarburton@OAG.COM's message of Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: CWarburton at OAG.COM writes: > y'know, I thought this might stir things up (knowing Mr. Holmes as I do Argumentative? Moi? > Wakey-wakey Mike, what on earth gives you the idea that Blunkett is a lefty > - OK, so he used to be the head-lad in the Socialist Republic of South > Yorkshire (that's Sheffield for you furriners!), but like so many of his > fellows in the Labour party (Straw, Blair, Clarke...) he's swung so hard > right it's a wonder he's not spinning with his guide dog orbiting on the end > of its lead! This smacks of the "well, they're not really christians" argument offered by those faced with bad examples of the genre. Simply because someone becomes very authoritarian doesn't mean they've joined the right unless you want to redefine right to simply mean authoritarian. The left has always had its own authoritarians too. In fact it's inherent in much of left politics inasmuch as individuals are deemed to owe the state some control over their lives. In the extreme this leads to left mutations such as National Socialism and Stalinism where individuals live almost purely to serve the state. IMHO it just so happens that we have a government that's traveled further down that murky road than any previous Labour government. As for my views. I don't like authoritarians of any flavour. > As for the standards in education issue - as somebody with two teenage kids, > I am left speechless by the low academic standards of todays exams, and at > the way that the drive to have "continuous improvement" means that we are > reaching a point where soon it will be almost impossible to differentiate > between students on the basis of their academic results. I'm beginning to wonder if that's not the plan of some folks. How egalitarian the world will be if we can pretend that everyone is equally clever. > > => Not what I said and I'm pro free speech for everyone from Stalinist > > => Communist right through to the National Front. > > I'll (mostly) go along with that too; although some of these people may have > distasteful views, if they air them in public, you can argue against them, > and you know who the buggers are! Arguing's a tough job, but someone as to do it ;-) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 06:03:18 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:03:18 GMT Subject: Off: Right To Decide et. al. In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > Chemistry finals, on the other hand, went the other way entirely. > They weren't multiple-guess -- but they were open-book. The > questions were designed to test understanding, not simple > knowledge of facts. and so the teachers felt (and told us so > quite clearly) that having your textbook available to look facts > up in wouldn't help you much if you didn't understand the > material. Now *that's* how to run an exam. I just hope the true teachers can win out against the tide of drive that's being imposed on education. FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Nov 21 12:37:54 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:37:54 +0000 Subject: OFF:very sad news: Greg Ridley of Humble Pie & Spooky Tooth has passed away Message-ID: Hello, friends, I just received the following sad note from Greg Ridley's management. The One Eyed Bishops were set to help support Greg Ridley's Humble Pie, on a North American Tour. Sadly, this dream will never be realized as Greg has gone to join Steve Marriot at 'the great gig in the sky'...Peace, Mike Burro Hello, First off, let me express our appreciation for the interest you showed in Greg Ridley's Humble Pie 2004 American tour. Unfortunately though, if you haven't already heard, I'm afraid I have some sad news to report. Greg passed away yesterday in Spain after a sudden onset of pneumonia and resulting complications. He was 56. I'm "happy" to report that Greg was aware of the interest shown by venue owners, who stretched from coast-to-coast and Canada to Mexico. That fact brought him much joy and he was anxiously looking forward to next Spring's tour. In fact, we were so impressed with the response that the time span for the tour was being expanded from the original plans. So again, thank you - your interest is appreciated in more ways than one! Best regards, Keith Stallbories _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kg at THING.ORG Fri Nov 21 14:34:18 2003 From: kg at THING.ORG (kgerwers) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:34:18 +0100 Subject: Calvert - HW live 76 albums Message-ID: hello all! I am (still....) working on the update of the Calvert / spirit of the p/age site. hopefully, you can help me with some infos reg. the release(s) of the Hawkwind live 76 albums: Atomhenge 76 and Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures. Are these recordings taken from the same gig? Are there major differences (apart from the extended set-list of the 2-disc set) in regard to sound-quality etc.? any other interesting anecdotes / infos about these releases? I have difficulties getting them over here for "decent" prices, so, any help is appreciated.... best regards, knut gerwers ps: another question: does anyone out there has contact to a guy named Sandy Cameron? I was in touch with him re. the Calvert site and would like to have his current email-address... From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 21 20:22:27 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:22:27 -0500 Subject: Calvert - HW live 76 albums Message-ID: Hello, Knut! Good to hear from you! Glad to hear that you're still working on the Calvert website, I look forward to seeing it back up under the auspices of Aural Innovations. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:34:18 +0100, kgerwers wrote: >hello all! >I am (still....) working on the update of the Calvert / spirit of the >p/age site. >hopefully, you can help me with some infos reg. the release(s) of the >Hawkwind live 76 albums: Atomhenge 76 and Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures. >Are these recordings taken from the same gig? Yes. I'm sure Bernhard can chime in with exactly which gig ;^) (it may be in the list archives somewhere, but I'm too lazy to check at the moment). >Are there major differences (apart from the extended set-list of the 2- >disc set) in regard to sound-quality etc.? Not major, no. They sound a tiny bit different, perhaps, but both are acceptable sound quality. There's no real reason to buy 'Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures' since all tracks from it are present on the double- CD 'Atomhenge 76'. I'd consider 'Atomhenge 76' to be an absolute "must-buy" for serious Calvert fans (great booklet with lots of photos, too; photos of the correct lineup, even!). I'd also put Weirds 101-105 in that category (although they all include photos of the *wrong* lineups). >any other interesting anecdotes / infos about these releases? >I have difficulties getting them over here for "decent" prices, so, any >help is appreciated.... I believe I've seen secondhand copies of 'Atomhenge 76' inexpensively around San Francisco. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com P.S. Where are you (or other Germans on the list) located? I will be in Stuttgart (again) in early December (6th-15th) ... From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Nov 22 04:10:53 2003 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:10:53 +0100 Subject: OFF:Rush in Rio screenings in the UK In-Reply-To: <200311212034180400.002C1469@mail.vr.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: I think I've mentioned this before so here's a reminder. Let's just say that I wish I was there, on the brighter side one looks forward to the proposed Euro-tour next year. Anyway, have fun: It's been a long time coming, but we're just about there. On Sunday the 23rd of November 2003, TNMS Productions, in association with the Sanctuary Visual Entertainment presents "Rush In Rio" Promotional Movie screenings. Details: Glasgow: GFT , 12 Rose Street, Glasgow. - Capacity: 142 spaces - Start time "11:30" Leeds: Hyde Park Picture House, Brudenell Road, Leeds, LS6 1JD. Capacity: 320 spaces - Start time 1pm. London: Ritzy, Brixton Oval, Coldharbour Lane, Brixton, London SW2 1JG. Capacity: 179 spaces - Start time 12:45pm (doors at 12:30) Birmingham/Crewe: Limelight Club, Hightown, Crewe, CW1 3BP. Capacity: 200 spaces - Start time 1:00pm Cost: FREE* Update: As you can see we have now added the Limelight club in Crewe to the list, this is the FINAL venue. The Limelight is just a short run up the M6 from Birmingham. The event is purely a first come first served, however on the day itself we will be giving out special tickets, which will entitle you to a prize, the winner of which will be announced on Monday the 24th at Noon. * - Due to circumstances beyond our control (dealing with 2 continents, 8 organisations and about 100 people), this has only JUST all come together today. The main problem we had was that if we were to charge for the screenings, then we would have needed a BBFC classification, which costs ?1400.00, so we are billing these events as "FREE". Although the total costs for the screenings is still significantly high so donations on the day or before will be gratefully received and hopefully if all goes well then TNMS Productions will be able to hold future events. ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 22 11:21:13 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:21:13 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: tset From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 22 11:48:13 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:48:13 +0000 Subject: HW: I Got An.......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Rik Rx wrote: > Wanna feel greater? > > http://orgone.org/IOOeng/ortk1.htm#oracsales That, historically speaking, would be a good way to wind up dying in jail courtesy of the FBI... Yours, Jon ("Wilhelm Reich died for your sins") ObCD: Clutch - _Slow Hole To China_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Sat Nov 22 11:48:41 2003 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:48:41 -0600 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <002b01c3b114$a5c4b460$afbd1543@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Grade: 81% No capitalization and misspelled test as tset. Riordan -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:21 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: test tset From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Nov 22 12:23:07 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:23:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: organizing possible Greg Ridley memorial concert in NJ or PA Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello again, I suppose most of you have received the sad news of Humble Pie & Spooky Tooth bassist Greg Ridley passing away on Wednesday. I am interested in organizing a memorial concert in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. If you are interested in being considered as a performer, or contributor, please e-mail me at: sloterdijk at msn.com All the very best....Mike Burro Hello, this is Mike Burro of The One Eyed Bishops ( boogie band). We were very excited to support Greg and his management company, with regard to the proposed tour of North America. Sadly, this dream will not be realized, as our friend has passed away. I've been deeply moved by this, and wander if there is any interest in helping organize a Greg Ridley memorial concert in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. Also , if you have worked with Greg in the past, or your musical style reflects Humble Pie/Spooky Tooth, feel free to contact me. I am not going to definitively organize anything, until there can be a short period of mourning, as perhaps Greg's management has feelings about this. Nonetheless, sincerest sympathies on behalf of myself, my band, family & friends. Cheers! and all the very best...Mike Burro The One Eyed Bishops: theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( Official band website) www.pressofatlanticcity.c...hops.shtml ( press article) www.struzzin.com/videos/a...20302.html ( radio interview 12/03/02) www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm...-2002.html ( Real Festival Music video 7/02) www.users.globalnet.co.uk...st_oeb.htm (Hawkfest 2002) www.voiceprint.co.uk ( see Hawkfest 2002 cd set under Hawkwind) www.mp3.com/The_OEBs ( mp3 mirror site w/ additional free files) _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Nov 22 12:33:11 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:33:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: organizing possible Greg Ridley memorial concert in NJ or PA Message-ID: I apologize for resending again, but their were errors on the first try...cheers! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello again, I suppose most of you have received the sad news of Humble Pie & Spooky Tooth bassist Greg Ridley passing away on Wednesday. I am interested in organizing a memorial concert in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. If you are interested in being considered as a performer, or contributor, please e-mail me at: sloterdijk at msn.com All the very best....Mike Burro Hello, this is Mike Burro of The One Eyed Bishops ( boogie band). We were very excited to support Greg and his management company, with regard to the proposed tour of North America. Sadly, this dream will not be realized, as our friend has passed away. I've been deeply moved by this, and wander if there is any interest in helping organize a Greg Ridley memorial concert in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. Also , if you have worked with Greg in the past, or your musical style reflects Humble Pie/Spooky Tooth, feel free to contact me. I am not going to definitively organize anything, until there can be a short period of mourning, as perhaps Greg's management has feelings about this. Nonetheless, sincerest sympathies on behalf of myself, my band, family & friends. Cheers! and all the very best...Mike Burro The One Eyed Bishops: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( Official band website) http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/entertainment/nightlife/bandarchive/bishops.shtml ( press article) http://www.struzzin.com/videos/arcstruzzinspotlight120302.html ( radio interview 12/03/02) http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-hawk-camp-2002.html ( Real Festival Music video 7/02) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFest_oeb.htm (Hawkfest 2002) http://www.voiceprint.co.uk ( see Hawkfest 2002 cd set under Hawkwind) http://www.mp3.com/The_OEBs ( mp3 mirror site w/ additional free files) _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 23 00:43:08 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:43:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Great Hubble telescope pics site Message-ID: Flash presentation: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Nov 23 08:59:43 2003 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:59:43 -0000 Subject: Great Hubble telescope pics site Message-ID: Amazing pics!! Wonder how you came across this? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:43 AM Subject: OFF: Great Hubble telescope pics site > Flash presentation: > > http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 23 10:02:06 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:02:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Reviews, Interviews, and Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 23, 2003): We've just uploaded new interviews and reviews, plus new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio, The Atomic Bongload and The Electronic Cottage. We've got interviews with Man In Space and Frank Gingeleit, a photo gallery from the 2003 Spacerock Con in Cullman, Alabama, lots of live reviews, and CD reviews of AcidGuitarKing, Primordial Undermind, Steven R. Smith, Census Of Hallucinations, When's The Future, Elscientisto, The Psychedelic Breakfast, Daniel Patrick Quinn, Depressive Art, Black Sun, UFO Jim, and Upstate. Access all the new reviews from our What's New page at http://www.aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Radio show #92: General Playlist When's The Future - "Psilocybe Astral Glide" (from Then) Census Of Hallucinations - "Feel It" (from The 8th Dwarf) Man In Space - "Bombdreaming" (from For Medicinal Use Only) Loopian Zu - "Dwelling" (from Submerged) Shiva Shakti - "Dolphin Dreaming" (from Cosmic Surfer) Saturnia - "Omnia" (from Hydrophonic Gardening) Unlimbo - "FlyFishLive" (from Unlimbits) David Unlimbo - "Dreamery" (from Celestial Mechanic) Linus Pauling Quartet - "Drunkest Man" (from C6H8O6) Terry Munday - "The Liberty Project" (from The Liberty Project) Robbie Rox & The Monster Horn Band - "And The Alien Twitched" (from Earl Owns The World) The Atomic Bongload show #3: General Playlist (Stoner/Heavy Rock show) Linus Pauling Quartet - "Switzer" (from C6H8O6) Pilotos - "Head Trip" (from Powers Of Evil) Nothing 2 Declare - "Ranvier" (from As We Are) Comets On Fire - "Let's Take It All" (from Comets On Fire) Nebula - "Full Throttle" (from Dos Eps) The Hidden Hand - "The Hidden Hand [theme]" (from Divine Propaganda) AcidGuitarKing - "Junkie Parade" (from Savage Saint II) Faster Disaster - "Desert Freaks" (from Exploding Head Phenomenon) I Decline - "Skeleton Dance" (from The Ides Of Riffdom) SOS - "Foolproof" (from SOS) Pentagram - "Sub-Basement" (from Sub-Basement) Trigon - "Peitscht das Kamel" (from Live at Burg Herzberg 2003) The Electronic Cottage show #3: Frank Gingeleit Special Frank Gingeleit is a German musician whose music has an electronic sound and feel, even when it's produced exclusively with non-electronic instrumentation. Each of Frank's four CD's to date has covered different ground, from avant-garde explorations, cosmic space, avant-pop and rock. For more information you can visit Frank's web site at http://frankgingeleit.de. "Chinese Cosmology" (from Megalopolis) "Abstract Jazz" (from Nightmares & Escapades) "Toy Island - Part One" (from Toy Island) "Adjust Your Clock" (from Megalopolis) "Love And Reality" (from Lost In The Deep Blue) "...Everest!... And Then?" (from Nightmares & Escapades) "Some Kind Of Cello Sonata In E Maj" (from Lost In The Deep Blue) "Hot Socks" (from Toy Island) "Bad State Of Mind" (from Megalopolis) "X-tra-Terrestial Language Studies" (from Nightmares & Escapades) "Lost In The Deep Blue" (from Lost In The Deep Blue) "Free And Easy" (from Toy Island) http://Aural-Innovations.com From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 23 14:05:24 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:05:24 -0500 Subject: Great Hubble telescope pics site Message-ID: Glad you enjoyed them! I'm always interested in reading and searching for new space/science/tech news but think I found this from an Australian site since I was looking for info on the sad news that two of the crew of the truck shipping all of Killing Joke's equipment were killed in a head on collision while driving from Brisbane to Melbourne. Appears to be true. So ... I don't know exactly where I saw the Hubble link as a side link but I'm glad I did! Ah ha! It looks like I found it at: http://news.com.au/mm/ That must be it since the only info KJ fans could find online _possibly_ regarding the accident yesterday so far was this link: http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7944805%255E1702,00.html Yup - http://news.com.au/ and then multimedia section http://news.com.au/mm/ The Hubble pics are really amazing and inspiring. Karen On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:59:43 -0000, Mark Storer wrote: >Amazing pics!! >Wonder how you came across this? > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Kusic" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:43 AM >Subject: OFF: Great Hubble telescope pics site > > >> Flash presentation: >> >> http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm >> From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 24 00:09:43 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:39:43 +1030 Subject: test Message-ID: sorry mate - you failed the spelling test.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:51 AM Subject: test tset From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Nov 24 11:57:18 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:57:18 -0500 Subject: HW: rate your music website Message-ID: not sure if people are aware of the following web site but as the title suggests it's somewhere where you can have your say on the music that you love ( or don't for that matter! ) rate individual albums as well as writing reviews on them if you so wish, hawkwind are well represented with, i'd estimate 100+ albums listed, the following link take you directly to the Hawkwind page but i'd say it's also worth looking around the rest of it! http://rateyourmusic.com/view_albums/artist_id_is_1629 hope that might be of interest to some of you regards dave From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Nov 23 15:16:40 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:16:40 +0100 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Hello all, Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid Daze Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony ?0.99 (cost me much more to get it here) So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. (also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) greetings filip From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Nov 25 06:47:38 2003 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:47:38 -0500 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Strange how some records can be nearly impossible to find and then out of the blue they turn up in droves. In the mythical days before the internet and Ebay really took off, it could be quite a hunt, even for records that one would think would be readily available. I spent almost 8 years trying to get a copy of "Church of Hawkwind" with the booklet! John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com Hello all, Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid Daze Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony ?0.99 (cost me much more to get it here) So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. (also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) greetings filip From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 25 10:41:02 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:41:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: TicketMaster bidding In-Reply-To: <200309191702.h8JH2vvJ012082@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, M Holmes wrote: > > Someone with a large > > disposable income can bid a large amount that represents an > > insignificant blip on his or her income---perhaps even bidding an > > amount that exceeds the total resources of an avid fan. That high > > bidder may have a negligible interest in the band, but see the high > > ticket price as no barrier whatsoever to attendance. > > People can only outbid other people so long before they have less money > than the folks they've been outbidding. If I have 50 credits and 10 > other people have 5 and we're all very determined then I'll be paying 6 > credits at the start of the tour and I'll see 8 gigs. After that I'll > have 2 credits and everyone else will have 5. I'm seeing no more gigs > and each of them will see one of the next 10 gigs at half what I paid. > After that we all have 2 credits for the next tour. > > Note that for my cash, I see half the return that they do in terms of > gigs since I'm paying twice as much. This, at least, and I'm not really competent to judge the other stuff, but this is screwy. It assumes finite assets and neglects to consider income. By the next tour the first buyer will likely have fifty-two credits while the others will still only have seven each. The high-income bidder will see many more gigs over any long period than any one of the buyers, even if the return is as you say proportionally smaller. I doubt the low-income bidders much care about that when if you weren't bidding at all they could get their seats cheaper. > > I don't believe there is any correlation between fan loyalty and the > > size of your wallet, measured in absolute terms. > > Me neither. I do believe there's a correlation in what's bid. It's what > you'll give up, not what you have left afterwards. Again, a low-income fan can only sell their house or car once. I can quite easily (all too easily just at the moment) envisage a situation where a fan has nothoing left to seel that isn't life-essential, because capital can only be alienated once and doesn't replenish itself. Someone on a higher income doesn't have that problem. So there is a threshold beyond which means is actually more relevant than will to be there. This only works, of course, if it's impossible for the low-income type to improve his income by working harder or getting a better job. I've seen you argue that their failure to do this holds up your theory because they don't care enough to do that. But jobs like that aren't available to everyone because the demand for good jobs sadly doesn't force the market to create them. At the bottom level these things are based on the exploitation of capital and resources, and there's a certain distance beyond the availability of these things which development of economies can't carry; witness the dotcom bust. I also heartily dislike the implication that if I wanted to see more gigs, I should have become a management consultant. But I would, wouldn't I. > If they get a better monopoly then what else are they going to do but > organise more gigs??? The *only* point in getting a monopoly is in order > to maximise the extra (monopoly) profit that you take. The way to do > that is to increase the opportunities to take it. Not everyone does this though; sometimes they're content to ensure that their hold on the monopoly isn't threatened by throttling any comptetion. Then they have a guaranteed and safe income which they can invest on other development projects or their own leisure or whatever. I suppose they're just insufficiently greed-powered to make capitalism work as it should dammit. > You forgot about all those folks priced out in the bidding. They're now > ready to roll... They're not, as I point out above. They're still priced out. > If the others will still pay more than the marginal cost of extra seats > then you lose profit by not bringing them on board. But, it's about the music right? Yeah, yeah, I know. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 11:20:35 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:20:35 GMT Subject: OFF: TicketMaster bidding In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: [..a now rather old thread which I suspect most were glad to see the back of...] > > If the others will still pay more than the marginal cost of extra seats > > then you lose profit by not bringing them on board. > But, it's about the music right? Yeah, yeah, I know. Yours, The music industry is a global business. It's been that way for rather a long time. It's not nice and it's not pretty but that's the way it is. On the plus side we (albeit very occasionally in Scotland) get gigs and records. On the minus side there's all this business shit that someone has to wade though. On a nicer planet where economics has been repealed, I'm sure all the musicians just stroll around playing and eating what the fans kindly donate, and all for the love of music. On our planet, these musicians are at the bottom of stairs on the Tube. I tell ya, it's enough to make one cynical. FoFP From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Nov 25 11:41:46 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:41:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: TicketMaster bidding Message-ID: Mike Holmes writes "The music industry is a global business. It's been that way for rather a long time. It's not nice and it's not pretty but that's the way it is. On the plus side we (albeit very occasionally in Scotland) get gigs and records. On the minus side there's all this business shit that someone has to wade though." Not necessarily. There's a very excellent band that play in my area (North Derbyshire , UK), who all have day jobs, but play a gig every week or so *just for the hell of it*. They play originals aswell as covers, have CDs to sell, but only once have I had to pay to see them. (The band are called Treebeard, and play the most bizarre version of 'Ace of Spades' you'll ever hear - bass balilika, accordion and acoustic guitar !) Neil. From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Nov 25 11:59:29 2003 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: TicketMaster bidding Message-ID: And if you like Treebeard get hold of some of their live tapes from when some of them were called Haze. They did a suitably splendid "Hurry on Sundown", as well as a good range of other covers and wonderful proggy nonsense. Actually, now I think about it, a band like this who do it mainly for fun, with no pressures to produce product or make a living from what they do, is quite a nice model for something or other. I fear my memory is failing, due to lack of sleep from having a tiddler present in the house. Melissa Iantaffi-Wright, 23 days old and suffering from terrible baby acne. At the moment she likes Mel C, but I am trying to infiltrate her ears with beat heavy Hawkwind or poppy Chumbawamba. And just wait until she doesn't need to be carried everywhere, then gigs will be forced upon her. Big Mike PS Neil, next time you have the opportunity to see Treebeard please let long haired Chris McMahon that Big Mike from his past has had a baby, and is looking forward to bringing her to the Haze 30th reunion gig. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Shilladay [mailto:neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM] Sent: 25 November 2003 16:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding Mike Holmes writes "The music industry is a global business. It's been that way for rather a long time. It's not nice and it's not pretty but that's the way it is. On the plus side we (albeit very occasionally in Scotland) get gigs and records. On the minus side there's all this business shit that someone has to wade though." Not necessarily. There's a very excellent band that play in my area (North Derbyshire , UK), who all have day jobs, but play a gig every week or so *just for the hell of it*. They play originals aswell as covers, have CDs to sell, but only once have I had to pay to see them. (The band are called Treebeard, and play the most bizarre version of 'Ace of Spades' you'll ever hear - bass balilika, accordion and acoustic guitar !) Neil. Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. Foundation for the Built Environment, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales. Building Research Establishment Ltd, Registered under number 3319324 in England and Wales. BRE Certification Limited, Registered under number 3548352 in England and Wales. Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 25 13:54:14 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:54:14 -0500 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 In-Reply-To: <000c01c3b1fe$ba75d5c0$5ee6a451@pandora.be>; from Filip.Vanhuyse@PANDORA.BE on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 09:16:40PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 09:16:40PM +0100, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid Daze Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony ?0.99 (cost me much more to get it here) > So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. Supply and demand -- or lack thereof :-/ As I recall, Acid Daze is pretty awful. Maybe it's cheeep 'cause nobody wants it. > (also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) Which book? Do you mean that the album came with the full "Hype" novel, or was there a different booklet included? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 25 17:35:26 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:35:26 +0000 Subject: brain: deb frost interview! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20031006172108.006a6964@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Jason Scruton wrote: > check out rockcritics.com for it. > a good read! mostly Deborah layin' down > words. That is very fine wordiage. I especially like "I only finish a sentence on pain of deadline--or worse", and have made it into a .sig file :-) But she does make it clear, albeit in a style slightly Julie Burchill's at times (not necessarily a bad thing) just how much of her history is tied up with rock's. The advice to the early Allman Bros. band is a fabulous story... Thanks for the URL! Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 25 17:40:44 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! I've got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main vocals, but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different words), any idea who and what is being sung? Eddie. >From: John Majka >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:47:38 -0500 > >Strange how some records can be nearly impossible to find and then out of >the blue they turn up in droves. In the mythical days before the internet >and Ebay really took off, it could be quite a hunt, even for records that >one would think would be readily available. I spent almost 8 years trying >to get a copy of "Church of Hawkwind" with the booklet! >John Majka >jmajk at indy.rr.com > > >Hello all, > >Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic >attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid Daze >Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony ?0.99 >(cost me much more to get it here) >So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. >(also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) > >greetings >filip _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 25 19:09:11 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:09:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki, Acid Mothers Gong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, Nick's already posted a long review of this gig, but I thought what I wrote soon after it touched some different spots and so on, and hey, I'm vain enough think someone might want to read it, so here it is. The Incredible String Band/ Damo Suzuki & The Switch Doctors/ Acid Mothers Gong, Royal Festival Hall London 21/10/03 "The Incredible String Band, sadly, weren't. At least one of their members was definitely reminding me of Clive Dunn and he didn't really do anything. For one song he was all the percussion there was, on a djembe-like thing, which he barely patted and he couldn't be heard at all. Great deal of enthusiasm from the two stage right, keyboardist-singer and violinist-cellist-guitarist-songstress, but not that much to be enthusiastic with. They had some fans in and they had a good time but I'm afraid this was a Past It performance. "Mr Suzuki is not past it. He started with a huge scream and didn't shut up for most of his set, or stop moving, but it still wasn't that tremendous. Only when Mike Howlett, the Gong bassist moonlighting with the Switch Doctors as backing band, explained that they were in fact improvising, did this begin to be forgivably explained. The drummer was very high-end-of-the-kit though, and whenever he got people with him he would try and speed them up; I got tired of this the third time. Mike Howlett by far the best player present, would try and agitate the rhythm so as to speed people up rather than actually leave the beat because he was holding people together, but he also couldn't really move the band. The guitarist was bedroom standard and reminded me terribly of Carl Anderson, he had many of the same noises but rather less of the ability, and Carl would be first to admit he's never yet been up to this sort of gig.[1] The keyboardist was worse, wouldn't move when the time signature changed, kept hitting half-tones off the harmony... he really spoilt several otherwise quite good moments for me by not listening to his band-mates. He was all right on swooshbox (EMS synthi I mean) because that doesn't require you to listen, though it's better if you do I think, but he was bad on organ, and I wish he'd stopped. It got better towards the end but it still wasn't good. "This all only went to impress on me how good Acid Mothers Temple's rhythm section are. In a performance which I can't even fully describe, they were the stars: shifting in split seconds from one speed or pattern to another, shape-changing throughout, they were free of any kind of hindrance whatever. Forgive me if I don't attempt the AMT's names, bar the one Anglicised one, but the full stage complement was: one synth player with beard, from AMT, dressed in an orange fur suit and playing at least sometimes with a trackball controller some way away from his machine; the other AMT synth player, tiny Cotton Casino, chain-smoking almost ceaselessly (I said as the smoke rose, "we don't need no steenkin' smoke-machine") and often dancing in a kind of St-Vitus-afflicts-only-my- left-leg way as well as giving up playing to dance more freely reasonably often--there was plenty of other noise; Bloomdido Bad de Grasse of Gong and the Hadouk Trio, completely unflappable despite much to be flapped by throughout on a variety of wind instruments, two saxes at least, also a flute and one strange metal closed hoop with holes in and a thing of African (I expect) provenance I couldn't identify; Gilli Smyth of Gong, Mother Gong and Glo on space whisper vocals; a gap centre stage; Josh Pollock of The University of Errors in red pyjamas and on upside-down guitar and megaphone vocals; and the AMT's lead guitarist in silver lame body-suit and cape with Fender and hair. Behind them lurked the fabulous AMT rhythm section, the bass-player also singing in a variety of voices growly, falsetto and Tibetan throat and attired in something like Morris dance costume but more ragged and peasant-hero-like. And the drummer, dressed in a housewife's dress and headscarf (he is not, I think, female). "There was, I thought, a danger that Daevid Allen would not be the most sillily-dressed person present. I need not have feared. He arrived topless in blue harem trousers and a silver cape and a strange hat which I can no longer picture, and as he arrived, the noise, which had started with the synths and the AMT guitarist, building in treble with clouds of scorching star-dust a long way off rising invisibly but audibly into the hall, began to acquire force. Gilli moaned, Josh squawked a great deal through his megaphone, using the switch to blip his voice on and off, the AMT bass-player also contributed strange vocals and began a slow and at first almost inaudible thundering noise from his bass, the drummer played free and fast drawing shapes within the clouds. Daevid swung his headless guitar about the place and contributed some glissando work, the AMT guy also got out a knife and did similar, the noise built, and built some more, Cotton could no longer stand still (though still smoking), the other synth player was also intoning into a mike now when he wasn't standing back from the synth with his trackball creating waves of noise he pretended to surf on... the bass rumble grew, squeaks, squawks and shrieks punctuated the rushing electronic fizz, the noise built, I don't know how long they kept it up for, it felt like at least five minutes growing all the time and in the last thirty seconds something like a shape emerged, a frantic bass pounding, the huge ship they'd created just began to clear the ground-- "And it all stopped, all at once, and in the space in which our thwarted brains writhed the bass-player dropped a thin funk pattern and the drummer some similarly jazz-lined fills and Daevid started reciting while Didier blew smokey notes into the dark, but it was the most awesome deliberate anticlimax, and I couldn't really tell you how it ended. And that was just one song, which seemed to have some good words in it at the time but by the end of the set it was all washed over in my memory by what was to follow. "Now, I can't even attempt to separate the rest of the pieces they did. They were all distinct, and at least one more did the lots-of-noise- then-change-into-a-funk-band thing, in a very AMT way, and another patch where the core trio of guitar, drums and bass were firing off pauses at each other which also struck me as being like the last time I'd seen them, in this same hall. They did actually do one Acid Mothers Temple number more or less off their own bat by conspiracy between the bass-player and guitarist. But most of it was, not shapeless, but shape-shifting and some of it was just noise. Let me try and describe one number that seemed to be separate so I can try and tell you how this was to be near. "This one started slow. Over a quietly-growing synth, sax and gliss backdrop Gilli, in the most sarcastic form I've ever seen her (she's something of a hippy at the best of times so outright contempt is a rare thing to hear from her), started in on George Dubya Bush, chiding him like a child from after the apocalypse she depicted him causing. `But that's all right George, you couldn't help it. Evil unbelievers made you do it! And now you've got no-one to play with! But that's all right George...' and so on. The noise built meanwhile and Daevid, who had for some time been playing around with a pair of Mickey Mouse gloves on sticks, or very like that, now dropped out of sight for a second and reappeared with new headgear, a bird's skull mask with wings pointing up from his temples in a strange and grotesque Pan-like form of the Devil. He moved off stage and dragged on, while Didier calmly walked through him and the new appearance to change instruments, a man in black jumper and jeans whom I didn't know. The noise built and shape swirled in it while the bass player contributed low guttural Yeti-like heavy breathing noises. As he did so Daevid stood the guest between the synth-players and back a bit, and stretched out the guest's arms crucifixion-like, before moving forward to grope Cotton with the hands-on-sticks. The mummery changed round until both Cotton and the guest were standing in front of Daevid and then they dropped to their knees to worship. Gilli was silent by now and the growling and noise grew around her, while Didier ignored everything and kept on blowing where he could find space to be heard. The noise reached a fever pitch as Daevid bent his acolytes over and beat them on the rears with the sticks before moving away to take up his guitar, leaving them the sticks. I was so intent on the tableau that I didn't quite notice the bass-player shift things round and slowly bleed off the tension with a livelier bassline that seemed to belong to folk, and as Daevid started in on the glissando Cotton and the guy in black started getting off with each other on the floor, she (I'm told she's female, I wasn't sure at the time) rapidly disappearing underneath him. The noise was coming from I'm not sure where by now. Josh was still sort of playing; I suspect Cotton's synth was still running while she did whatever she was doing on the floor, and the other guy was still working the trackball; there was Didier and Daevid too, but a few seconds later the lead guitarist, the drummer and very rapidly the bass-player all downed tools to run around in the middle of the stage in a kind of crabwise tag, just like their playing in that they would all move into a new pattern and freeze, with arms out warning each other away, at some signal before moving again; Josh joined in and there was shrieking and shouting which, it being some way away from microphones, didn't really interfere with the soundscape the remaining musicians played. Smoke from behind the synths indicated that Cotton's mouth was free for a cigarette again and the two seemed to be lazily playing at each other with one each of the hands on sticks. It truly was `absolutely freak out' (one of the AMT albums' titles), I couldn't remove the phrase from my head. Slowly the musicians resumed stations again and brought the shapes back together through several different places before letting the whole thing close down. "I think that was the third number. I think they did six, counting the encore which was shorter than the others. I do not know how many cigarettes Cotton smoked: she is an Olympic-standard smoker. I do not know how Didier stayed so calm. I do not how Daevid gets away with it. I don't really know what I saw and heard. When I left the world seemed much less relevant and very drab and grey and unreal. I was not on anything except alcohol and love. It was an amazing gig. "Sherman put it down as `complete musical indescribability', but I've had to try for fear I might forget even more. You really did have to be there. If they ever do it again I'll leave more warning, but it won't be anything like this one because even while it was happening it was changing from anything it had already been. Mad. Fantastic. Out of words." Yours all, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Nov 25 21:00:22 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:00:22 -0500 Subject: HW: A plea for your help Message-ID: hello all it's 01.45 UK time, which us far later than I would usually post a message as I'm normally tucked up in bed by now but to say I've had a bad evening would be an understatement for the past 3 hours or so I've been working on a new feature for the hawkwind museum that basically involved collating a load of information from various sources and putting them into graph form. it really started out as a bit of fun while at the same time it also taught me the rudiments of spreadsheets, things were going fine and project was nearing completion when about half hour ago my computer crashes completely, blank screen the lot, everything i tried was fruitless and i was left with no option but to switch of the PC and restart it, and yes you've guessed it all those 3 hours plus work has been lost, if i said i was "hacked off" that would be a very polite way of putting it, actually I'm completely *%?!)*&^* off. so why am i posting this message, well a lot of the information i was using came from what is known as the museum's "visitor profile" and whilst this has been a popular part of the site with many replies I'm sure that there are a lot of you on the list who have yet to fill it out, it'll take a matter of moments, it's just a brief outline of your hawkwind likes and dislikes and none of the information or e-mail address is passed on, you have my word on that. the fact that the more data i have to work with the more trends and fashions become apparent and seeing as I've got to start this project from scratch once more this seems an ideal opportunity for me to make such a request. thanks for reading this and also thanks in advance to those kind enough to fill out one of these on-line forms, you can find them at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm all the best regards Dave From youless at COX.NET Wed Nov 26 03:08:50 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:08:50 -0500 Subject: HW: We Are The Road Crew Message-ID: Hi Just added to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page, at http://www.starfarer.net : We Are The Road Crew, a terrific "on the road" diary from the Winter 2002 Tour, penned by Rob Dreamworker. This is an excellent read. Once you get to the site, click on "What's New" and then on the topmost link on the What's New page. It was recently suggested that there should be a web page to commemorate the hard work of the Hawkwind crew...well, this is it. Many thanks to Rob for putting it together, and apologies to those who are members of both BOC- L and the Yahoo! group, who are seeing this message twice. Steve From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Nov 26 03:55:39 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:55:39 +0000 Subject: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) Message-ID: Mike Wright writes "And if you like Treebeard get hold of some of their live tapes from when some of them were called Haze. They did a suitably splendid "Hurry on Sundown", as well as a good range of other covers and wonderful proggy nonsense." I was just listening to '20th anniversary show' CD when I read your email. Great band, great musicians. For any that are interested, Treebeard and Haze are playing Nottingham 27th Feb and Sheffield 29th Feb. I'll try & talk the guys into Hurry on Sundown next time I see them :o) Cheers Neil. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Nov 23 22:48:01 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:48:01 +0100 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Ok,but a Glastonbury is pricy anyway. Had to buy 3 with bits and pieces to get one! The hardest to find is the plastic printed cover. Did you know the 7" "Silver Machine" is cut and edited from the Glastonbury?They erased Roberts voice and put Lemmy's on it.Actual it isn't from the Glastonbury concert. It's from the Roundhouse concert(Greasy Truckers) I think,but Bernhard knows that better. My guess on the second voice is Nik,as he sings second voice on the Dunstable video? greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 > And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! I've > got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and > greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the > original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main vocals, > but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different > words), any idea who and what is being sung? > > Eddie. > > > >From: John Majka > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 > >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:47:38 -0500 > > > >Strange how some records can be nearly impossible to find and then out of > >the blue they turn up in droves. In the mythical days before the internet > >and Ebay really took off, it could be quite a hunt, even for records that > >one would think would be readily available. I spent almost 8 years trying > >to get a copy of "Church of Hawkwind" with the booklet! > >John Majka > >jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > > > >Hello all, > > > >Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic > >attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid Daze > >Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony ?0.99 > >(cost me much more to get it here) > >So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. > >(also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) > > > >greetings > >filip > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Nov 23 22:58:09 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:58:09 +0100 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Yes the album came originally with the full novel > (also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) Which book? Do you mean that the album came with the full "Hype" novel, or was there a different booklet included? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 26 06:07:40 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:07:40 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Interesting comments. Yes I already knew Glastonbury Silver Machine was from the Roundhouse but thanks for the info anyway. And Nik as second vocals makes sense. Cheers, Eddie. >From: Filip Vanhuyse >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:48:01 +0100 > >Ok,but a Glastonbury is pricy anyway. >Had to buy 3 with bits and pieces to get one! >The hardest to find is the plastic printed cover. > >Did you know the 7" "Silver Machine" is cut and edited from the >Glastonbury?They erased Roberts voice and put Lemmy's on it.Actual it isn't >from the Glastonbury concert. >It's from the Roundhouse concert(Greasy Truckers) I think,but Bernhard >knows >that better. >My guess on the second voice is Nik,as he sings second voice on the >Dunstable video? > >greetings >filip > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie jobson" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:40 PM >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 > > > > And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! >I've > > got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and > > greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the > > original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main >vocals, > > but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different > > words), any idea who and what is being sung? > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > >From: John Majka > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 > > >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:47:38 -0500 > > > > > >Strange how some records can be nearly impossible to find and then out >of > > >the blue they turn up in droves. In the mythical days before the >internet > > >and Ebay really took off, it could be quite a hunt, even for records >that > > >one would think would be readily available. I spent almost 8 years >trying > > >to get a copy of "Church of Hawkwind" with the booklet! > > >John Majka > > >jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >Everybody's always talking about rare prices for "Warriors" and "sonic > > >attack one-sided singles" etc.,but try to get your hands on a "Acid >Daze > > >Volume One".I've been for 7 or 8 years and finally got luck for ony >?0.99 > > >(cost me much more to get it here) > > >So it isn't the pricy records that are the hardest to get. > > >(also try to get your hands on a Cavert "Hype" with the book!) > > > > > >greetings > > >filip > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone >http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > > > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 26 11:14:37 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:14:37 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: tBS in Boston last week - quick review Message-ID: Glad a few online fans could make the Brain Surgeons gig in Boston last Saturday night (Cambridge actually). The Surgeons got cut short due to time restrictions (and the fact that about 7 bands went on before them - luckily some of them sounded half-way decent), but we did get to hear: Dr. Music Operation Luv Cities on Flame (Deb does a funny spoof of the Buck Dharma knuckle-cracking routine) Il Duce (David Roter/Albert Bouchard collaboration - sung by Dave Hirschberg) State of Emergency Astronomy Also planned were Krakatoa, The Revenge of Vera Gemini, St Vitus, and Godzilla. Since the soundman had them stop at 1:00, we missed those, but the fans and the band joined in for an a capella rendition of Godzilla. Albert then got out his Godzilla mask and posed for pictures - one or two will probably show up on the cellsum.com website in the next few days (I'm the one on Albert's immediate left). A great time was had by all - hopefully it's not 7 years before they come back to Boston, and hopefully they'll get to play a few more songs. John From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 26 16:48:24 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:48:24 -0500 Subject: HW: A plea for your help Message-ID: hello all many thanks to all of you who have taken the time to fill out one of the "visitor profile" forms on my site, gutted as i was last night having lost all that info your added involvement can only make for a better piece in the long run!, i'm going to give folks a few more days before i post the results so if you haven't already done so you can access the form directly at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm once you've done that make sure you head over to starfarer's site and read his "we are the road crew" piece, one of the best hawkwind related articles i've had the pleasure to read in ages! all the best for now and once again thanks in anticipation regards dave On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:00:22 -0500, Dave Law wrote: >hello all >it's 01.45 UK time, which us far later than I would usually post a message >as I'm normally tucked up in bed by now but to say I've had a bad evening >would be an understatement >for the past 3 hours or so I've been working on a new feature for the >hawkwind museum that basically involved collating a load of information >from various sources and putting them into graph form. it really started >out as a bit of fun while at the same time it also taught me the rudiments >of spreadsheets, things were going fine and project was nearing completion >when about half hour ago my computer crashes completely, blank screen the >lot, everything i tried was fruitless and i was left with no option but to >switch of the PC and restart it, and yes you've guessed it all those 3 >hours plus work has been lost, if i said i was "hacked off" that would be >a very polite way of putting it, actually I'm completely *%?!)*&^* off. >so why am i posting this message, well a lot of the information i was >using came from what is known as the museum's "visitor profile" and whilst >this has been a popular part of the site with many replies I'm sure that >there are a lot of you on the list who have yet to fill it out, it'll take >a matter of moments, it's just a brief outline of your hawkwind likes and >dislikes and none of the information or e-mail address is passed on, you >have my word on that. >the fact that the more data i have to work with the more trends and >fashions become apparent and seeing as I've got to start this project from >scratch once more this seems an ideal opportunity for me to make such a >request. >thanks for reading this and also thanks in advance to those kind enough to >fill out one of these on-line forms, you can find them at > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm >all the best >regards >dave From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 26 16:49:13 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:49:13 -0000 Subject: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haze... We put them on a few times at the Sheffield Uni Rock Society and later as, I recall, Erik Von Daniken. That was for the Solstice gig that should've been headlined by the Atomgods if only they hadn't split... Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Neil Shilladay Sent: 26 November 2003 08:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) Mike Wright writes "And if you like Treebeard get hold of some of their live tapes from when some of them were called Haze. They did a suitably splendid "Hurry on Sundown", as well as a good range of other covers and wonderful proggy nonsense." I was just listening to '20th anniversary show' CD when I read your email. Great band, great musicians. For any that are interested, Treebeard and Haze are playing Nottingham 27th Feb and Sheffield 29th Feb. I'll try & talk the guys into Hurry on Sundown next time I see them :o) Cheers Neil. From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Nov 26 17:07:23 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:07:23 -0500 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! I've >got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and >greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the >original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main vocals, >but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different >words), any idea who and what is being sung? > >Eddie. > > with regards to backing vocals on silver machine, i have in fromt of me a Trev Hughes "Hawkfrendz" newsletter from January 91 (no not april!) and in it is an open letter from a Lori Pompan who at the time was manager of former Pink Fairy Twink, according to this and i quote - "did you know that Twink was on Silver Machine on backing vocals" ones to assume this to be genuine, so could this solve the mystery? regards dave From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 26 19:07:19 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:07:19 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Good detective work Dave, thanks for that. Wonder what words he was singing, bet they were all too wasted to remember. BTW couldn't re-enter my details on your web page. Am in Oz right now, swing low sweat chariot and all that so will try again from the UK next week. Cheers for the info. Eddie. >From: Dave Law >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:07:23 -0500 > >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000, eddie jobson >wrote: > > >And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! >I've > >got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and > >greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the > >original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main >vocals, > >but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different > >words), any idea who and what is being sung? > > > >Eddie. > > > > > >with regards to backing vocals on silver machine, i have in fromt of me a >Trev Hughes "Hawkfrendz" newsletter from January 91 (no not april!) and in >it is an open letter from a Lori Pompan who at the time was manager of >former Pink Fairy Twink, according to this and i quote - >"did you know that Twink was on Silver Machine on backing vocals" >ones to assume this to be genuine, so could this solve the mystery? >regards >dave _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu Nov 27 05:21:50 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:21:50 +0100 Subject: HW:Samantha Fox quote Message-ID: "I've got 10 pairs of shoes,one for everyday of the week" I've had to translate it from dutch so not sure if it grammically fits. From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 27 07:45:14 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:45:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Can DVD - first impressions Message-ID: I received the new Can DVD in the post yesterday. First impressions are that this is a well put together package containing a live concert from 1972, a documentary, alot of behind the scenes footage and interviews among other things. I watched some of the live concert last night and it blew me away, having never seen any live footage of them before. I have to go away this weekend so I can't wait to get back to watch more. I don't buy many music DVDs but this is the kind of document that I would like to see for a band with a history like Can. DVD makes a great archival format and I'd love to see something similar produced by Hawkwind if ever any old footage turned up. Alastair. From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 13:58:01 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:58:01 -0000 Subject: HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: Folks, With apologies to everybody who has got this message twice, here's the news I've been waiting to confirm regarding the Hawkwind biography that I've been working on this year. I signed a contract last weekend with SAF Publishing Ltd to deliver, for publication we anticipate in September 2004, a biography of Hawkwind entitled "Sonic Assassins". Subtitle is to be confirmed, but provisionally "The Hawkwind Cosmos". 110,000 words plus photographs and other illustrations (if half of the items we have been promised come to fruition, the illustrative content will be terrific). Hardback edition. The text is based on a substantial number of new interviews with current "core" members, past members, friends & relations and also contains a detailed appendices with a "tracks & references" section that has references, allusions, inspirations and anecdotes. SAF Publishing Ltd are a terrific little company who appear very excited about this project. They have a passion for rock music, and for good quality rock books. I think there is a great synergy between this book and SAF's back catalogue which includes editions on Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Alex Harvey, Mountain and a host of other subjects. They have good distribution into UK bookstores like Borders, Waterstones & Ottakars and an on-line shop in association with London's Helter Skelter bookshop. Visit them at http://www.safpublishing.com/ - they haven't starting listing next year's projects yet but its well worth having a look at their current list. I'm extremely pleased to be working with them, I'm sure together we are going to produce the book that Hawkwind deserve to have written about them, and that members of our discussion groups will be pleased with the end result. I am open to donations of photographs etc for the interior - if you have anything you'd like to offer please drop me a note off-list. It *must*, however, be something you have the copyright for! I'm also scouting around for contemporary reviews of albums from Hawklords onwards, if anyone can do any scans or photocopies, again a note off list would be appreciated. Finally, many apologies to anybody who has been waiting on e-mails from me over recent months - this is why! Wish us luck, folks - I think this'll be good! Ian From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 16:11:57 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:11:57 -0000 Subject: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: Good luck Ian - this sounds fantastic. I can only imagine the amount of work you've been putting into this. 110,000 words - that's about 25 of my essays and I'm struggling to get even one of those completed on time! And the publisher sounds perfect. I really hope this works out and will see if I've got any reviews from the relevant period lurking around! cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Folks, With apologies to everybody who has got this message twice, here's the news I've been waiting to confirm regarding the Hawkwind biography that I've been working on this year. I signed a contract last weekend with SAF Publishing Ltd to deliver, for publication we anticipate in September 2004, a biography of Hawkwind entitled "Sonic Assassins". Subtitle is to be confirmed, but provisionally "The Hawkwind Cosmos". 110,000 words plus photographs and other illustrations (if half of the items we have been promised come to fruition, the illustrative content will be terrific). Hardback edition. The text is based on a substantial number of new interviews with current "core" members, past members, friends & relations and also contains a detailed appendices with a "tracks & references" section that has references, allusions, inspirations and anecdotes. SAF Publishing Ltd are a terrific little company who appear very excited about this project. They have a passion for rock music, and for good quality rock books. I think there is a great synergy between this book and SAF's back catalogue which includes editions on Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Alex Harvey, Mountain and a host of other subjects. They have good distribution into UK bookstores like Borders, Waterstones & Ottakars and an on-line shop in association with London's Helter Skelter bookshop. Visit them at http://www.safpublishing.com/ - they haven't starting listing next year's projects yet but its well worth having a look at their current list. I'm extremely pleased to be working with them, I'm sure together we are going to produce the book that Hawkwind deserve to have written about them, and that members of our discussion groups will be pleased with the end result. I am open to donations of photographs etc for the interior - if you have anything you'd like to offer please drop me a note off-list. It *must*, however, be something you have the copyright for! I'm also scouting around for contemporary reviews of albums from Hawklords onwards, if anyone can do any scans or photocopies, again a note off list would be appreciated. Finally, many apologies to anybody who has been waiting on e-mails from me over recent months - this is why! Wish us luck, folks - I think this'll be good! Ian From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 16:59:57 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:59:57 -0500 Subject: HW: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Special Announcement! Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors? Club. This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: ? Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) ? Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and colour covers ? Each release will be unique to the Collectors? Club and will not be available anywhere else. So, what will this cost? ? UK ?80.00 per year, overseas ?85.00 per year. However, we can only do this if a minimum of 500 people sign up. We are not asking for payment at the moment, but would like to know how many of you would like to sign up for the Collectors? Club. Please send confirmation of your interest to: colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk or, if you do not have e-mail, write to us at: Collectors? Club PO Box 28 Honiton East Devon EX14 8AP England From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Nov 27 18:44:29 2003 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:44:29 -0000 Subject: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Please register MUCH interest!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: HW: From Hawkwind > Special Announcement! > > Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors' Club. > > This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: > > . Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) > > . Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and > colour covers > > . Each release will be unique to the Collectors' Club and will not be > available anywhere else. > > So, what will this cost? > > . UK ?80.00 per year, overseas ?85.00 per year. > > However, we can only do this if a minimum of 500 people sign up. > > We are not asking for payment at the moment, but would like to know how > many of you would like to sign up for the Collectors' Club. Please send > confirmation of your interest to: > > colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk > > or, if you do not have e-mail, write to us at: > > Collectors' Club > PO Box 28 > Honiton > East Devon > EX14 8AP > England From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 27 19:36:19 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:36:19 -0500 Subject: HW: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: ; from colin@CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 04:59:57PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 04:59:57PM -0500, Colin J Allen wrote: > ? Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) Sounds intriguing! A couple of questions: - Will these all be from recent (at time of release) gigs, or covering the entire history of the band? - Will you consider taking requests? Thanks. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 27 22:21:06 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:21:06 EST Subject: HW: From Hawkwind Message-ID: I have done this with King Crimson's club for a couple years. Great idea, good luck!!! From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Nov 28 03:45:33 2003 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:45:33 +0100 Subject: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm interested. I presume you'll keep us up-to-date in BOC-L. What will be the quality be of the live recordings, tho? Gr, Arjan Hulsebos -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens Colin J Allen Verzonden: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:00 PM Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Onderwerp: HW: From Hawkwind Special Announcement! Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors? Club. This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: ? Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) ? Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and colour covers ? Each release will be unique to the Collectors? Club and will not be available anywhere else. So, what will this cost? ? UK ?80.00 per year, overseas ?85.00 per year. However, we can only do this if a minimum of 500 people sign up. We are not asking for payment at the moment, but would like to know how many of you would like to sign up for the Collectors? Club. Please send confirmation of your interest to: colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk or, if you do not have e-mail, write to us at: Collectors? Club PO Box 28 Honiton East Devon EX14 8AP England From michael.crosby3 at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 28 03:55:21 2003 From: michael.crosby3 at NTLWORLD.COM (Michael Crosby) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:55:21 -0000 Subject: From Hawkwind Message-ID: well up for it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: HW: From Hawkwind > Special Announcement! > > Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors' Club. > > This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: > > . Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) > > . Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and > colour covers > > . Each release will be unique to the Collectors' Club and will not be > available anywhere else. > > So, what will this cost? > > . UK ?80.00 per year, overseas ?85.00 per year. > > However, we can only do this if a minimum of 500 people sign up. > > We are not asking for payment at the moment, but would like to know how > many of you would like to sign up for the Collectors' Club. Please send > confirmation of your interest to: > > colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk > > or, if you do not have e-mail, write to us at: > > Collectors' Club > PO Box 28 > Honiton > East Devon > EX14 8AP > England > From sebastian at WELTON.DE Fri Nov 28 08:48:33 2003 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:48:33 +0100 Subject: Disco '72 In-Reply-To: <200311281000.hAS8tgdR025368@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Just seen on 3sat a repeat of a program from 14.10.1972 from German Tv of a program called Disco '72. Starting with Golden Earring through Alice Cooper and a bunch of strangely dressed groovy people, the announcer then said he was now showing a film of 'The Hawkwind' doing 'Silvermachine' (I thought they might look out of place in the studio.) There followed a short, they only showed about 1 1/2 minutes of Hawkwind live in concert featuring Stacia, Lemmy on bass and vocals, Terry Ollis on drums a freaking out Nik Turner. Any ideas on what concert this would have been taken from? http://www.cine4.de/deutschd/disco.html Cheers, Seb. From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:01:40 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:01:40 -0000 Subject: Off: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: Hi, I've been thinking about this for a long time...(must have too much time on my hands?) >With apologies to everybody who has got this message twice, here's the >news I've been waiting to confirm regarding the Hawkwind biography that >I've been working on this year. Anybody fancy entering Mastermind with 'Hawkwind' as their specialist subject? (You could laugh but one of the competitors on an earier programme did "The Manic Street Preachers 1995 - 2002 (or similar!!). I reckon we have our fair share of Boffins here (who could hold thier own in the GK section)... no offence intended..or implied Maxine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:05:31 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:05:31 -0000 Subject: HW:Samantha Fox quote Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:21:50 +0100 >From: Filip Vanhuyse >Subject: HW:Samantha Fox quote >"I've got 10 pairs of shoes,one for everyday of the week" Flip have you quoted out of context? Wasn't it "I've got 10 pairs of shoes,one for everyday of the week.... and 3 spare" >I've had to translate it from dutch so not sure if it grammically fits. I guess in well structured english one might say "I've had to translate it from dutch so I'm not sure if it fits grammatically" Hope this helps Maxine From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Nov 28 10:25:45 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:25:45 +0100 Subject: Disco '72 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi It is the show from Dunstable, 07.07.1972 cheers Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Sebastian Welton > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:49 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Disco '72 > Importance: High > > > Just seen on 3sat a repeat of a program from 14.10.1972 from German Tv > of a program called Disco '72. Starting with Golden Earring through > Alice Cooper and a bunch of strangely dressed groovy people, the > announcer then said he was now showing a film of 'The Hawkwind' doing > 'Silvermachine' (I thought they might look out of place in the studio.) > There followed a short, they only showed about 1 1/2 minutes of Hawkwind > live in concert featuring Stacia, Lemmy on bass and vocals, Terry Ollis > on drums a freaking out Nik Turner. Any ideas on what concert this would > have been taken from? > > http://www.cine4.de/deutschd/disco.html > > Cheers, > > Seb. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:40:27 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:40:27 GMT Subject: Off: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Anybody fancy entering Mastermind with 'Hawkwind' as their specialist > subject? (You could laugh but one of the competitors on an earier > programme did "The Manic Street Preachers 1995 - 2002 (or > similar!!). I reckon we have our fair share of Boffins here (who could > hold thier own in the GK section)... no offence intended..or implied Maybe we could enter a Boppin' Boffins team on University Challenge. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:46:13 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:46:13 GMT Subject: Disco '72 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Welton's message of Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:48:33 +0100 Message-ID: Sebastian Welton writes: > Just seen on 3sat a repeat of a program from 14.10.1972 from German Tv > of a program called Disco '72. Starting with Golden Earring through > Alice Cooper and a bunch of strangely dressed groovy people, the > announcer then said he was now showing a film of 'The Hawkwind' doing > 'Silvermachine' (I thought they might look out of place in the studio.) > There followed a short, they only showed about 1 1/2 minutes of Hawkwind > live in concert featuring Stacia, Lemmy on bass and vocals, Terry Ollis > on drums a freaking out Nik Turner. Any ideas on what concert this would > have been taken from? > > http://www.cine4.de/deutschd/disco.html Sounds like the Top of the Pops video. Usually TotP was mimed in the studio and the single played. hawkwind refused and so the BBC Outside Broadcast team went to a Hawkwind gig. TotP then played footage of the gig with the actual single being played over it. Our assumption has been that this was the same gig as was broadcast (Silver Machine and Brainstorm anyway) on the Brian Matthews Show BBC Transcription Disc (one copy known to us). Thanks to sterling archaological research by Jill Strobridge concerning Wings' arrests and Beegees tours referred to on the same disc, we reckon that the gig recorded was Dunstable 7/7/72. Of course anyone in the band who actually remembers any of this should feel free to advise us otherwise. FoFP From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 28 14:20:01 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:20:01 -0000 Subject: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" > > Anybody fancy entering Mastermind with 'Hawkwind' as their specialist > subject? (You could laugh but one of the competitors on an earier > programme did "The Manic Street Preachers 1995 - 2002 (or > similar!!). I reckon we have our fair share of Boffins here (who could > hold thier own in the GK section)... no offence intended..or implied Oddly enough, at one of the old Dr Who "Fan Olympiads" (like conventions but with silly games instead of guest stars .... I'll stop digging at this point....), I did a round of "Mastermind". The one I didn't get was the 3 Dr Who stories with the same name as Hawkwind numbers. I'll get me coat....... Ian From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Fri Nov 28 14:21:43 2003 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:21:43 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons DVD Message-ID: Hi, folks: For the Brain Surgeons fans on this list, we've now added the following to our Cellsum Records page in The Artist Shop. The Brain Surgeons/Barn Dance ....DVD Cellsum Records' first DVD release features rare studio and live footage spanning the Brain Surgeons' first decade. This 90 minute DVD is an eight year retrospective featuring videos from tBS version 1 (the quintet) and some live footage from the second year of tBS version 2 (the power trio). There are also two small movies featuring interviews with the band and people they've met on their travels and some bloopers as well. See why so many of America's most smartypants critics and heavy duty beerdrinkers alike dig this little ol' power trio from New York City. Led by Blue Oyster Cult founder Albert Bouchard, the dude who really put the cowbell in "Don't Fear the Reaper," the Brain Surgeons are the smartest, silliest independent kickass rock & roll band in the world. Al Bouchard told me he's got a lot of other video material available. So if he has a decent amount of success with this release, more Brain Surgeons DVD's will follow! And on a Hawkwind related note we now have the following Robert Calvert releases on our Voiceprint page Robert Calvert/Test-Tube Conceived Robert Calvert/Hype Robert Calvert was born in Pretoria, South Africa, and died on the 14 August 1988. Domiciled in London's bohemian Ladbroke Grove/Portobello Road area, Calvert became acquainted with Hawkwind, one of the area's atypical "underground" attractions. His poetry readings became part of the group's act during the early 70s and in 1972 he joined the line-up as an official member. "Test Tube Conceived" was originally issued in 1986 and watermarked with Calvert's inimitable style and interest with science fiction/fact. Whereas 'Hype' was the soundtrack to a novel of the same title which was a sound track to a play of the same title and features one of the all time absloute Calvert classics "Lord of the Hornets". In addition this CD reissue comes with some bonus tracks comprising of different mixes and demo versions of some of the tracks on the original album. soundbite - soundbite - Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 28 18:17:55 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:17:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy & the MC5 on TV Message-ID: Anybody catch this on Channel 4 earlier this week? A half hour programme filmed at a "celebration" of the MC5 in London earlier this year, sponsored by Levis (...). Lemmy joined them for Sister Anne, good stuff, and he said without the MC5 there would be no Motorhead and no Damned. Ian Astbury & Dave Vanian joined them on other numbers. This was one of those glad-I-set-the-recorder moments :-) AL ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Nov 29 07:13:39 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:13:39 +0800 Subject: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: > > Anybody fancy entering Mastermind with 'Hawkwind' as their specialist > > subject? (You could laugh but one of the competitors on an earier > > programme did "The Manic Street Preachers 1995 - 2002 (or > > similar!!). I reckon we have our fair share of Boffins here (who could > > hold thier own in the GK section)... no offence intended..or implied > > > Oddly enough, at one of the old Dr Who "Fan Olympiads" (like conventions but > with silly games instead of guest stars .... I'll stop digging at this > point....), I did a round of "Mastermind". > > The one I didn't get was the 3 Dr Who stories with the same name as Hawkwind > numbers. > Got me thinking, & I discovered these three (by slightly cheating & looking at the video spines):- Robot The Awakening Snakedance There may be even more as well. There was even a rumour at one stage that one of the script writers was a big fan, & on recent reflection of stories he was involved with (featuring Sylvester McCoy), quite a numer of those stories were based on ideas that were also covered by Hawkwind & Co. Paradise Towers was based on the novel High Rise. Greatest Show in the Galaxy featured the gods of Ragna Rok (Lucky Lief?), & Curse of Fenric was virtually a visual interpretation of that same song by Bob Calvert. There's others as well, that I can't think of at the moment, but it might get some other Who fans thinking as well? Bye for now William From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 08:24:03 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:24:03 -0000 Subject: HW: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi Eric, As wide a range as we can manage (there may be problems getting agreement from an ex-member for some tours. Request away; if we have it we will do it. Regards, Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Re: HW: From Hawkwind On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 04:59:57PM -0500, Colin J Allen wrote: > . Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) Sounds intriguing! A couple of questions: - Will these all be from recent (at time of release) gigs, or covering the entire history of the band? - Will you consider taking requests? Thanks. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 08:40:03 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:40:03 -0000 Subject: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi Arjan, All desk 2 track or multitracks. Regards, Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arjan Hulsebos" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Re: From Hawkwind I'm interested. I presume you'll keep us up-to-date in BOC-L. What will be the quality be of the live recordings, tho? Gr, Arjan Hulsebos -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]Namens Colin J Allen Verzonden: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:00 PM Aan: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Onderwerp: HW: From Hawkwind Special Announcement! Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors' Club. This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: . Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) . Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and colour covers . Each release will be unique to the Collectors' Club and will not be available anywhere else. So, what will this cost? . UK ?80.00 per year, overseas ?85.00 per year. However, we can only do this if a minimum of 500 people sign up. We are not asking for payment at the moment, but would like to know how many of you would like to sign up for the Collectors' Club. Please send confirmation of your interest to: colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk or, if you do not have e-mail, write to us at: Collectors' Club PO Box 28 Honiton East Devon EX14 8AP England From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 10:13:59 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:13:59 -0000 Subject: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: > > > > The one I didn't get was the 3 Dr Who stories with the same name as > Hawkwind > > numbers. > > > > Got me thinking, & I discovered these three (by slightly cheating & looking > at the video spines):- > > Robot > The Awakening > Snakedance Robot was the one I didn't get! There aren't any more (are there????) > > There may be even more as well. There was even a rumour at one stage that > one of the script writers was a big fan, & on recent reflection of stories > he was involved with (featuring Sylvester McCoy), quite a numer of those > stories were based on ideas that were also covered by Hawkwind & Co. > Paradise Towers was based on the novel High Rise. Greatest Show in the > Galaxy featured the gods of Ragna Rok (Lucky Lief?), & Curse of Fenric was > virtually a visual interpretation of that same song by Bob Calvert. > There's others as well, that I can't think of at the moment, but it might > get some other Who fans thinking as well? Andrew Cartmel was the script editor in question - but his passion for Hawkwind was, apparently, just a rumour and nothing more. Ian From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Nov 29 10:21:24 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:21:24 -0000 Subject: but HW: New Hawkwind Biography Confirmed In-Reply-To: <006201c3b68b$6a200aa0$fa23fea9@r1e1j2> Message-ID: >Andrew Cartmel was the script editor in question - but his passion for >Hawkwind was, apparently, just a rumour and nothing more. So I hear... ;-) From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 12:58:55 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:58:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright Message-ID: Amazed that no one spotted Dave and Alan on the Wright Stuff (Matthew Wright's TV show) live on Thursday morning :-) From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 13:13:16 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:13:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright In-Reply-To: <02da01c3b6a2$761746e0$eca5bd50@default> Message-ID: Any chance we could be told *before* the show next time? Just a thought folks... AL --- Hawkwind wrote: > Amazed that no one spotted Dave and Alan on the Wright Stuff (Matthew > Wright's TV show) live on Thursday morning :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 29 13:57:02 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:57:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright In-Reply-To: <02da01c3b6a2$761746e0$eca5bd50@default> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 05:58:55PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: => Amazed that no one spotted Dave and Alan on the Wright Stuff => (Matthew Wright's TV show) live on Thursday morning :-) Was that on PBS, NBC, or CBS? (ABC just comes in as static on my telly.) :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 15:44:48 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:44:48 -0000 Subject: HW: New DVD Release Question Message-ID: Hi All, Anybody got any info on this release. http://www.mvc.co.uk/common/product.jhtml?pid=30052575 At less than ?20 for three dvd's it can't be bad, unless..... Cheers, Mark From youless at COX.NET Sat Nov 29 16:14:33 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:14:33 -0500 Subject: HW: New DVD Release Question Message-ID: The blurb on that page is exactly the same as on the Classic Rock website for each of the 3 bands mentioned. So it must be a reissue of the Classic Rock titles - see http://www.classicrockproductions.com/storen/index.html and compare the entries for Hawkwind, Gong and Nektar with what's on the MVC page Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:44:48 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >Hi All, > > Anybody got any info on this release. > >http://www.mvc.co.uk/common/product.jhtml?pid=30052575 > >At less than ?20 for three dvd's it can't be bad, unless..... > >Cheers, > >Mark From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 29 16:39:55 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:39:55 +0000 Subject: HW: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Colin J Allen writes >Special Announcement! > >Hawkwind announce the arrival of the Collectors? Club. > >This is a new idea from Hawkwind for the fans; the concept is as follows: > >? Every year we will send you 6 live recordings (one every two months) Will there be any element of choice, or will it only be pre- determined/scheduled releases? That's one thing I don't like about a lot of book/music clubs - having to take/buy something at a set interval even if it's not something you want. For instance, I probably wouldn't want any that are already covered by a good live release (Such as the collectors series '82, Live Chronicles), most tours I'd only want one recording from (Unless there's a gig I was at, like my first one - Newcastle '76), and some (84 springs to mind) I wouldn't want at all. >? Each release will be a pressed CD (not a CDR) with a jewel case and >colour covers _A_ CD? Will these be full gigs? -- David Blair From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 29 16:47:40 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:47:40 +0000 Subject: HW:Questions and answers In-Reply-To: <00ff01c3aaa8$a4adff40$b8acbd50@default> Message-ID: In article <00ff01c3aaa8$a4adff40$b8acbd50 at default>, Hawkwind writes >Hello folks! > >The album is finished and sounds great. the cover is being done at the moment >so I am not quite sure of the intended release date. > >The Newcastle DVD will not be released till January What's the sound quality like? Where we were sitting (Just to the left of the mixing desk), the keyboards were completely inaudible all the way through the set, and Huw's guitar was a bit too audible (He didn't seem fit to play that night) Is there any messing about with the video? That's one thing I hate about the COTBS video, I want to see a HW gig, not video fades/effects) -- David Blair From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 16:55:33 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:55:33 -0000 Subject: HW: New DVD Release Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nothing new then eh? Assume that there will be at least one Uriah Heap trailer on each of the disks then! Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Youles Sent: 29 November 2003 21:15 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: New DVD Release Question The blurb on that page is exactly the same as on the Classic Rock website for each of the 3 bands mentioned. So it must be a reissue of the Classic Rock titles - see http://www.classicrockproductions.com/storen/index.html and compare the entries for Hawkwind, Gong and Nektar with what's on the MVC page Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:44:48 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >Hi All, > > Anybody got any info on this release. > >http://www.mvc.co.uk/common/product.jhtml?pid=30052575 > >At less than ?20 for three dvd's it can't be bad, unless..... > >Cheers, > >Mark From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 17:20:11 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:20:11 -0000 Subject: HW: New DVD Release Question Message-ID: Unfortunately, it is just such a rerelease. Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: New DVD Release Question The blurb on that page is exactly the same as on the Classic Rock website for each of the 3 bands mentioned. So it must be a reissue of the Classic Rock titles - see http://www.classicrockproductions.com/storen/index.html and compare the entries for Hawkwind, Gong and Nektar with what's on the MVC page Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:44:48 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >Hi All, > > Anybody got any info on this release. > >http://www.mvc.co.uk/common/product.jhtml?pid=30052575 > >At less than ?20 for three dvd's it can't be bad, unless..... > >Cheers, > >Mark From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Nov 29 23:18:24 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (AerospaceAge Warrior) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:18:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos In-Reply-To: <000401c3b68c$73b2f310$df320252@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: Would one of the BOC experts briefly paint the Imagino's story for me again? What I mean is the "making of" story, as opposed to the "theme" of the album itself. Thanks in advance Mike http://corwyn.blogspot.com http://www.mikemontfort.com ________________________________________________ Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. -- Benjamin Franklin From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Nov 30 06:46:04 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:46:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright Message-ID: It wasn't planned........didn't know till just before.......too late to announce it....sorry :-{ Next time we will be forewarned :-)...........Meanwhile, stay vigilant!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Linsley To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright > Any chance we could be told *before* the show next time? Just a > thought folks... > > > > AL > --- Hawkwind wrote: > Amazed that no > one spotted Dave and Alan on the Wright Stuff (Matthew > > Wright's TV show) live on Thursday morning :-) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams > > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Nov 30 12:33:18 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:33:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and Matthew Wright Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:58:55 -0000, Hawkwind wrote: >Amazed that no one spotted Dave and Alan on the Wright Stuff (Matthew Wright's TV show) live on Thursday morning :-) with reference to the recent appearance on the Matthew Wright show, I've just posted some video stills to the Hawkwind museum, to have a look, click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/the3.htm as i said previously,there not of the best quality but I think you'll agree it was worth it! enjoy Dave From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 30 16:50:01 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:50:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence quick review Message-ID: Caught the Assassins of Silence gig at Bicester on Friday night... Arrived just after the support band had finished, Andensum. I was fairly glad of this as having heard them support the Assassins earlier this year was not too keen to repeat the experience. Still, they dragged a lot of their friends in some of whom stuck around for the Assassins' set. Mostly a pretty tight set, though monitor problems led to Master of the Universe going somewhat awry half way though. Kev has slotted very well into the guitar role (ex-member Milo was running the sound desk tonight, which must've been a little strange). Tracks included: Brainstorm, Assault & Battery/Golden Void (very good version), Demented Man (with great vocals from drummer Rob, as usual), High Rise, Master of the Universe, Hurry On Sundown, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City and Silver Machine. As always great dancing from Kat in a variety of very fetching outfits. Do try and catch these guys (and girl) sometime, they're worth the effort! Nick