From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Mar 1 00:10:54 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:40:54 +1030 Subject: Conwy Island High pics Message-ID: I'll take a peek at the band pics when your ready Richard. Cheers ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Conwy Island High pics > Just as a matter of interest, does anyone want to see about 80 pics of the > Bunny Babies, Alien Planetscapes and Hawkwind from Coney Island High? > > They're rubbish pics, but someone might want to see them. > > (And having said that, I can't post them until after we move anyway, so > it'll be mid-March before I can do anything with them, as they're all boxed > up ready for the move) > > And hey, like it matters, because Ben probably won't let me post this > anyway. > > Because I'm an anti-nazi. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Mar 1 02:01:32 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:01:32 +0100 Subject: Conwy Island High pics Message-ID: Wouldn't mind a look at them. send them straight through Filip.Vanhuyse at pandora.be Whenever you're ready greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Conwy Island High pics > Just as a matter of interest, does anyone want to see about 80 pics of the > Bunny Babies, Alien Planetscapes and Hawkwind from Coney Island High? > > They're rubbish pics, but someone might want to see them. > > (And having said that, I can't post them until after we move anyway, so > it'll be mid-March before I can do anything with them, as they're all boxed > up ready for the move) > > And hey, like it matters, because Ben probably won't let me post this > anyway. > > Because I'm an anti-nazi. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Mar 1 04:36:21 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:36:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Questions...... Message-ID: Answers in line below: "DRider" Questions...... > > > Hey Now! > > First off, thanx for the link to the classic rock website w/ the interview > w/ Al. It's a really cool site w/ great interviews! > > And now, some questions..... > > Recently someone mentioned a magazine w/ a bonus CD that has someone > covering a Hawkwind tune...... > I thought for sure that it was MOJO..... Am I wrong?? > It is MOJO > I went to Barnes & noble today and the MOJO has Santana on the cover and no > CD.... > Thats the previous issue; the latest was out in UK about 2 weeks ago. It has a pink cover and references to a PUNK SPECIAL - the HW cover on the CD is Urban Guerilla by Mudhoney. > Taking a break from studying and it's time for "Rust Never Sleeps"...... Absolute Classic!! Mark From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sat Mar 1 10:28:00 2003 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:28:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw LL audio Message-ID: For anyone who's interested, I've put up a free CD-quality track from the Huw Lloyd-Langton DVD up on the site. It's "Alien Jiggers" and is rather good. Anyway, happy downloading! http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Mar 1 04:02:57 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:02:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Questions...... Message-ID: If you're in the States you may well get it without the CD - it happens occasionally. "This CD not available to overseas readers". I don't know, as my present of a MOJO subscription has been going to our new house for the last three months! Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:16 AM Subject: HW: Questions...... > > > Hey Now! > > First off, thanx for the link to the classic rock website w/ the interview > w/ Al. It's a really cool site w/ great interviews! > > And now, some questions..... > > Recently someone mentioned a magazine w/ a bonus CD that has someone > covering a Hawkwind tune...... > I thought for sure that it was MOJO..... Am I wrong?? > > I went to Barnes & noble today and the MOJO has Santana on the cover and no > CD.... > > HELP! > > Also, I got a DVD player about a month ago and just got paid..... At Best > Buy, I saw a copy of the Motorhead Anniversary DVD from the Brixton Academy. > I have been in a Motorhead mood since ready Lemmy's book. Could someone post > their thoughts of this DVD? > > Taking a break from studying and it's time for "Rust Never Sleeps"...... > > Have a Grateful Day! > > D > > - so it was me on the mic, Dave Murray on guitar, and we would do "Silver > Machine" by Hawkwind, because that was 3 chords and it was easy. > Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden > From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Mar 1 11:22:47 2003 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:22:47 EST Subject: HW: Questions......Mojo Message-ID: Just picked up the new issue of Mojo in question at a newstand in NYC. It's got a Clash photo on the hot pink cover ...and a "punk" CD compilation attached....with Mudhoney covering Urban Guerrila from a John Peel radio session. So you should be able to find it with CD attached in the US. Peace...Eli From gg at NINJANET.COM Sat Mar 1 11:40:31 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:40:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Questions...... In-Reply-To: <023101c2dfa0$fb334d80$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: DRider wrote: > I have been in a Motorhead mood since ready Lemmy's book. Could someone post > their thoughts of this DVD? only one word: GREAT! you see, there are all the classic songs like Ace of Spades, Overkill, Bomber, Dead man tell no tales, etc, the coolest new and better songs... and there are a lot of guest musician like Brian May, Doro, the sons of Lemmy and Phil, the guitarist of skunk anansie and, last but not least, the greatest and marvellous Fast Eddie Clarke! WHOOOO!!!!! He's always the N1 at the woody fender! and more, there are some backstage act, the description of the all past members by lemmy, the video of some songs (sacrifice, god save the queen and a unreleased version of "I ain't no nice guy" for 2 classical guitar (Phil and LEMMY (he's fantastic also behind the guitar!))), and some other things I forgot :) > - so it was me on the mic, Dave Murray on guitar, and we would do "Silver > Machine" by Hawkwind, because that was 3 chords and it was easy. > Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden ooohh!! where did you find this cit? -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Mar 2 19:18:03 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:18:03 -0500 Subject: Coney Island High pics In-Reply-To: <02c801c2df82$d22be5f0$a89e27d9@bernard> Message-ID: Id love to see them. I have mine laying around somewhere. Took them with a cheapie digital camera but they came out pretty cool. Mike mikemont at nycap.rr.com ________________________________________________ The really frightening thing about middle age is that you know you'll grow out of it. -- Doris Day ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Richard Lockwood ::Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:41 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Conwy Island High pics :: :: ::Just as a matter of interest, does anyone want to see about 80 ::pics of the ::Bunny Babies, Alien Planetscapes and Hawkwind from Coney Island High? :: ::They're rubbish pics, but someone might want to see them. :: ::(And having said that, I can't post them until after we move anyway, so ::it'll be mid-March before I can do anything with them, as ::they're all boxed ::up ready for the move) :: ::And hey, like it matters, because Ben probably won't let me post this ::anyway. :: ::Because I'm an anti-nazi. :: ::Cheers, :: ::Rich. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Mar 3 03:05:58 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:05:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: godspeed (gybe!) tour in US/Canada Message-ID: for those interested... mon 03 march philadelphia, pennsylvania starlight ballroom * tue 04 march washington, d.c. 9:30 club * wed 05 march baltimore, maryland scottish rite temple of freemasonry * thu 06 march carborro, north carolina cat's cradle * fri 07 march asheville, north carolina orange peel * sat 08 march athens, georgia 40 watt club * sun 09 march atlanta, georgia variety playhouse ** tue 11 march new orleans, louisiana twiropa ** wed 12 march houston, texas engine room ** thu 13 march austin, texas texas union ballroom ** fri 14 march forth worth, texas ridglea theater ** sun 16 march st. louis, missouri mississippi nights ** mon 17 march columbia, missouri blue note ** tue 18 march omaha, nebraska music box ** wed 19 march minneapolis, minnesota first avenue ** thu 20 march chicago, illinois abbey pub ** fri 21 march chicago, illinois abbey pub * sat 22 march chicago, illinois abbey pub * mon 24 march newport, kentucky southgate house * tue 25 march cleveland, ohio beachland ballroom * wed 26 march detroit, michigan st. andrew's hall * thu 27 march toronto, ontario palais royale * / *** fri 28 march toronto, ontario palais royale * / **** sat 29 march hamilton, ontario tivoli theatre * / *** mon 31 march pittsburgh, pennsylvania carnegie mellon university, mcconomy auditorium * tue 01 april new york, new york bowery ballroom * wed 02 april new york, new york bowery ballroom * thu 03 april brooklyn, new york warsaw ***** fri 04 april brooklyn, new york warsaw ***** sat 05 april wheaton, massachusetts cole chapel - wheaton ***** sun 06 april boston, massachusetts the roxy ***** mon 07 april portland, maine space ***** wed 09 april halifax, nova scotia the marquee ***** thu 10 april moncton, new brunswick oxygen ***** fri 11 april fredericton, new brunswick bailey auditorium at the university of new brunswick ***** sat 12 april quebec city, quebec l'eglise st-roch ***** sun 13 april montreal, quebec rialto theater mon 14 april montreal, quebec rialto theater tue 15 april montreal, quebec rialto theater http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 3 03:45:49 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:45:49 +0800 Subject: OFF: Jon Lord Downunder Message-ID: Hi there I know this isn't anything to do with HW, BOC, & associates, but I felt I needed somewhere to whinge about the gawdawful abomination that I was unfortunate enough to witness last night, Jon Lord's Concerto For Group & Orchestra. Being in West Australia we were given a band called George to fill the shoes of Deep Purple. Personally, I'd never heard of them, but they are apparantly very big downunder. I had sen pictures of them, & had visions of an Australian TV show called Hi-5, combined with a UK band called S Club 7!!! I had always thought the concerto was to take 2 complete extremes of music, & somehow merge them into something dramatic & original (thus classical & hard rock). The tickets for this concert was $30 if you were under 25, & $45 if you were over (in other words, fans of George get a discount, but fans of Deep Purple don't). This show was dreadful! George did not fit the shoes of Deep Purple at all, & could quite easily have been any of those aforementioned groups. The only member of the group who showd any talent was their drummer, who was the only person (other than Jon Lord himself) to do any sort of solo. They did have a female playing piano, who played what sounded like a piece of music from Peter Pan at the exact point in the composition where a certain Mr. Blackmore would have been doing his bit. I could go on & on about how bad this was but won't. I was even annoyed when Jon Lord claimed George to be one of the most talented bands he has ever worked with! There are plenty of musicians living here in WA that would have fitted the bill more aptly. Perth even has a local musician who has worked overseas with Jon Lord on numerous occasions by the name of Jamie Paige (He's on Cozy Powell's last album), but I suspect the idea was to get people of all ages there, thus they chose a band that is popular with young screaming girls (who all actually screamed every time someone on stage said the word 'George"). I am dreading his next tour of The Gemini Suite, with The Wiggles filling in all the appropriate bits! Let's hope not to many of our idols go down the same sad path!!!! William From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Mar 2 21:06:08 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 02:06:08 -0000 Subject: Coney Island High pics Message-ID: Will send them when we unpack after our move! (Need to scan them all in). An, whaddya mean - you had a CHEAP digital camera five year ago?!! I only got a cheap digital camera last week and that was a hundred quid!!! :-) What I might do is set up a public FTP site with a web front end for thumbnails. Seems like a lot of people wat these pics - I warn you, they're not very good! Cheers, Rich. From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Coney Island High pics > Id love to see them. > > I have mine laying around somewhere. Took them with a cheapie digital > camera but they came out pretty cool. > > Mike > mikemont at nycap.rr.com > > ________________________________________________ > > The really frightening thing about middle age is that you know you'll grow > out of it. > > -- Doris Day > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > ::Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:41 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Conwy Island High pics > :: > :: > ::Just as a matter of interest, does anyone want to see about 80 > ::pics of the > ::Bunny Babies, Alien Planetscapes and Hawkwind from Coney Island High? > :: > ::They're rubbish pics, but someone might want to see them. > :: > ::(And having said that, I can't post them until after we move anyway, so > ::it'll be mid-March before I can do anything with them, as > ::they're all boxed > ::up ready for the move) > :: > ::And hey, like it matters, because Ben probably won't let me post this > ::anyway. > :: > ::Because I'm an anti-nazi. > :: > ::Cheers, > :: > ::Rich. > From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Mar 3 15:32:31 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:32:31 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. who's your team? regards dave www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk p.s interview in question can be found at http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html From youless at LVCM.COM Mon Mar 3 15:45:12 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:45:12 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: I saw another interview in which he was asked this question directly, and the reply was "All I will say is that I support a *good team*". Given his West London origins my guess would be Chelsea or Fulham. I'm a West Ham fan, fwiw...can say that without it being a guilty pleasure as we beat Spurs on Saturday! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:32:31 -0500, Dave Law wrote: >whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links >page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching >football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. >also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do >they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. >who's your team? From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Mar 3 16:16:39 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:16:39 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: I'm not into sports that involve grown men playing with balls. Sorry. Only really like Gravity sports. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > who's your team? > regards > dave > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > p.s interview in question can be found at > http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html > From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 16:17:08 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:17:08 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <200303032032.PAA10970@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. No idea, but (tenuous link time folks) when interviewing them in 1985 I asked Harvey how things were going since moving to keybds after so many years on bass and he replied "It's like a football team, we just change positions". >what about the group itself. who's your team? Bristol Shoguns. They're supposed to be a Rugby Union team. Season-ticket holder for 7 years. So now you know why I'm such a pessimist. AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 16:31:28 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:31:28 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: > I'm not into sports that involve grown men playing with balls. Sorry. Only > really like Gravity sports. Cheers Stephe Gravity as in "I'm going to take this terribly seriously and not smile or enjoy myself at all" or gravity as in "I'm going to jump off this incredibly tall chunk of natural landcape/artificial contruction and hope like hell this large elastic band/nylon canopy/small puttering lawnmower engine/large glider plane will delay my descent sufficiently to let me land gently in one piece? Just curious jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Mar 3 16:49:03 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:49:03 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: :-) No I was refering mostly to Skateboarding. THeres alot that can fall into that category such as rollerblading/BMX biking...... Was a huge skater in my younger years. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > I'm not into sports that involve grown men playing with balls. Sorry. > Only > > really like Gravity sports. Cheers Stephe > > Gravity as in "I'm going to take this terribly seriously and not smile > or enjoy myself at all" or gravity as in "I'm going to jump off this > incredibly tall chunk of natural landcape/artificial contruction and > hope like hell this large elastic band/nylon canopy/small puttering > lawnmower engine/large glider plane will delay my descent sufficiently > to let me land gently in one piece? > > Just curious > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 17:29:31 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:29:31 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Mr. Brock's team is Fulham. Adrian Shaw was/is a Spurs fan - so it said in the 1977 tour program. For myself, its Liverpool. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > who's your team? > regards > dave > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > p.s interview in question can be found at > http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html > From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Mar 3 17:50:04 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:50:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: I recently underwent surgery, and a friend of mine decided to help me recover by going on Amazon UK and getting me Lemmy's autobiography, "White Line Fever". I'm surprised nobody made a bigger deal when the book first came out about Lemmy's thoughts on BOC. . . or maybe this all went down and I just didn't catch it for some reason. Well, Lemmy's not much of a fan, but mainly because he felt BOC screwed them over quite badly when Motorhead opened Hammersmith for them -- giving them no soundcheck and that sort of thing. Lemmy says, "I've noticed that a lot of American bands treat their openers poorly, like they want to destroy the competition before it even has a chance to compete! British bands don't do that -- at least mostly they don't -- nor does Motorhead." Lemmy must have been scarred pretty deeply by this, because he mentions this incident two more times in passing later in the book. Overall, BTW, I think it's a cool book. Not quite as entertaining as a book by Lemmy should be, but a lot of fun nonetheless. --Nick From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 3 18:54:05 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:54:05 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > Lemmy says, "I've noticed that a lot of American bands treat their openers > poorly, like they want to destroy the competition before it even has a > chance to compete! British bands don't do that -- at least mostly they > don't -- nor does Motorhead." > i must tell you, i promise you you wont find a bigger motorhead fan on this list, but they DID screw over my band when we played with them at the agora theatre in cleveland oh. on the Bastards tour. their lighting guy told my guitarist and myself that there was a technical problem with the lights, and we would only be able to use two acl's; one on either side of the stage, lighting us from the sides ONLY with WHITE light. ridiculous!!! of course, the problem miraculously sorted itself out before M'head's set... hmmmm.... bobm From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 3 19:04:26 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:04:26 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2003 6:55:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > must tell you, i promise you you wont find a bigger motorhead fan on this > list, but they DID screw over my band when we played with them at the agora > theatre in cleveland oh. on the Bastards tour. But, did Lemmy and the band know about this? In the book, Lemmy relates how some other act they performed with (Alice Cooper, maybe?), it was the road manager that was being a dick, not the performer themselves who was causing the problem. I wonder if that was the same case with BOC? Joe From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 3 19:20:26 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:20:26 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > But, did Lemmy and the band know about this? > maybe, maybe not; but i think in the book, when Lem says "Motorhead doesn't do that" or whatever he said, he meant the Motorhead 'organization' doesn't do that. the band members themselves are hardly in a position to deny an opening band lights/food/PA etc, but the crew ARE, and the crew works for the band..... I doubt anyone in BOC said 'let's screw the opener'... it's a toura manager thing, in my experience. bobm From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Mar 3 19:34:31 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:04:31 +1030 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: But is that the headline band or the crew that are the ones..... sometimes you just never know. ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Lemmy on BOC > In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > > > Lemmy says, "I've noticed that a lot of American bands treat their openers > > poorly, like they want to destroy the competition before it even has a > > chance to compete! British bands don't do that -- at least mostly they > > don't -- nor does Motorhead." > > > > i must tell you, i promise you you wont find a bigger motorhead fan on this > list, but they DID screw over my band when we played with them at the agora > theatre in cleveland oh. on the Bastards tour. their lighting guy told my > guitarist and myself that there was a technical problem with the lights, and > we would only be able to use two acl's; one on either side of the stage, > lighting us from the sides ONLY with WHITE light. ridiculous!!! of course, > the problem miraculously sorted itself out before M'head's set... > hmmmm.... > bobm From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Mar 3 20:01:55 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:01:55 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <200303032032.PAA10970@listserv.spc.edu>; from dplaw@IC24.NET on Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:32:31PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:32:31PM -0500, Dave Law wrote: > and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > who's your team? I happened past Manchester United's stadium in a train last December... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 3 21:27:10 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:27:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC In-Reply-To: <54.bac3ec4.2b95451d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > i must tell you, i promise you you wont find a bigger motorhead fan on > this > list, but they DID screw over my band when we played with them at the > agora > theatre in cleveland oh. on the Bastards tour. their lighting guy told > my > guitarist and myself that there was a technical problem with the > lights, and > we would only be able to use two acl's; one on either side of the > stage, > lighting us from the sides ONLY with WHITE light. ridiculous!!! of > course, > the problem miraculously sorted itself out before M'head's set... Yea, and in my tour diary of 1975. I wrote that I watched Motorhead's sound check at Hammersmith and thought they were awful. Maybe they just didn't get a long ENOUGH sound check. ;-) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 3 21:36:06 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:36:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:50:04 -0500, Nick English wrote: >I'm surprised nobody made a bigger deal when the book first came out about >Lemmy's thoughts on BOC. . . or maybe this all went down and I just didn't >catch it for some reason. I can't speak for others here, but the fact that headlining bands (or their organisation/crew) frequently do things to screw over the openers is hardly new news to me (nor, obviously, to Bob Mayo!). There might have been more of a discussion if he had commented on BOC's *music*, whether in a positive or negative light. >Lemmy must have been scarred pretty deeply by this, because he mentions >this incident two more times in passing later in the book. It WAS Motorhead's first "high-profile" gig, so I'd have to believe it would be among the most memorable ones in Lemmy's career of thousands of shows (memorable to Lemmy, that is). And he's certainly notorious for complaining about bands on the same bill being "difficult" (W.A.S.P., anyone?) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Mar 4 02:31:48 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:31:48 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: >what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do they support? - read in an interview that simon king was a liverpool supporter. no wonder there have been so many fall outs over the years, nothing to do with musical differences, more like team differences!! one other interesting theory. lemmy, who is well known for his lack of love for football, left hawkwind in may 75, which would have been a matter of days after daves (if the information is to be believed) beloved fulham lost in the f.a cup final to west ham. was the drugs bust story just a front?, was the real reason for his departure that he could'nt stand the moaning and depression that dave would have suffered after this defeat!. just a thought , and not a very good one at that! From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Mar 4 03:40:33 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (The Book of Cyril) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:10:33 +1030 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: a load of bollocks i would say..... really. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > >what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > they support? - > read in an interview that simon king was a liverpool supporter. > no wonder there have been so many fall outs over the years, nothing to do > with musical differences, more like team differences!! > > one other interesting theory. lemmy, who is well known for his lack of > love for football, left hawkwind in may 75, which would have been a matter > of days after daves (if the information is to be believed) beloved fulham > lost in the f.a cup final to west ham. was the drugs bust story just a > front?, was the real reason for his departure that he could'nt stand the > moaning and depression that dave would have suffered after this defeat!. > just a thought , and not a very good one at that! > From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 03:58:11 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Sean McMahon) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:58:11 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Liverpool for me too - Worthington Cup winners 2003! From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Tue Mar 4 04:41:10 2003 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:41:10 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: and I was there, my love for the Hammers has always rivalled my love for Hawkwind. They're both unique in their own areas. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Youles To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 03/03/03 20:45 Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game I saw another interview in which he was asked this question directly, and the reply was "All I will say is that I support a *good team*". Given his West London origins my guess would be Chelsea or Fulham. I'm a West Ham fan, fwiw...can say that without it being a guilty pleasure as we beat Spurs on Saturday! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:32:31 -0500, Dave Law wrote: >whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links >page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching >football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. >also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do >they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. >who's your team? From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Mar 4 05:24:17 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:24:17 +0100 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Don't think Dave's for one club. He phoned me a few years back during the world championship and said he liked the game,period. I didn't went into it as I'm not a football-fan at all (yes,those persons excist ;-)) greetings filip the hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > who's your team? > regards > dave > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > p.s interview in question can be found at > http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 06:19:42 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:19:42 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <200303032032.PAA10970@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I'm a Football Enthusiast, by that I mean I like to watch good Football whoever plays it. The days of player loyalty have largely gone. Players will just play for whoever gives them the most money, so why should fans stick to one team? I'm not saying they shouldnt, I just wonder why. I grew up supporting Liverpool & Scotland (Thanks to the superb Dalglish) later my local team Arsenal, but how many of the 11 or so Arsenal players are from the local area? Not Many. How many are from the UK? I'm not saying this is wrong, in some respects it's very good. What I do think is wrong is people like David Beckham earning ?90,000 a week for wearing sunglasses and playing football. The commercial aspects have ruined the game for me. End of Rant. On Monday 03 Mar 2003 20:32, you wrote: > whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > who's your team? > regards > dave > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > p.s interview in question can be found at > http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 06:31:30 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:31:30 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <000f01c2e1ce$b5126770$8e50a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Stephe, You know when these kids (including some in my family) jump on they're skateboards and make a terrible racket, whats that all about? It seems the kids who cant do all the 70s moves just throw they're boards down steps shouting Arrrggghhhh!! Regards Ben On Monday 03 Mar 2003 21:49, you wrote: > :-) No I was refering mostly to Skateboarding. THeres alot that can fall > > into that category such as rollerblading/BMX biking...... Was a huge skater > in my younger years. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Strobridge" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > I'm not into sports that involve grown men playing with balls. Sorry. > > > > Only > > > > > really like Gravity sports. Cheers Stephe > > > > Gravity as in "I'm going to take this terribly seriously and not smile > > or enjoy myself at all" or gravity as in "I'm going to jump off this > > incredibly tall chunk of natural landcape/artificial contruction and > > hope like hell this large elastic band/nylon canopy/small puttering > > lawnmower engine/large glider plane will delay my descent sufficiently > > to let me land gently in one piece? > > > > Just curious > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 06:39:05 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:39:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC In-Reply-To: <200303032250.RAA05386@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: And then when Blue Oyster Cult supported Motorhead [Needless to say] They were totally screwed themselves. Excellent Book. On Monday 03 Mar 2003 22:50, you wrote: > I recently underwent surgery, and a friend of mine decided to help me > recover by going on Amazon UK and getting me Lemmy's autobiography, "White > Line Fever". > > I'm surprised nobody made a bigger deal when the book first came out about > Lemmy's thoughts on BOC. . . or maybe this all went down and I just didn't > catch it for some reason. > > Well, Lemmy's not much of a fan, but mainly because he felt BOC screwed > them over quite badly when Motorhead opened Hammersmith for them -- giving > them no soundcheck and that sort of thing. Lemmy says, "I've noticed that > a lot of American bands treat their openers poorly, like they want to > destroy the competition before it even has a chance to compete! British > bands don't do that -- at least mostly they don't -- nor does Motorhead." > > Lemmy must have been scarred pretty deeply by this, because he mentions > this incident two more times in passing later in the book. > > Overall, BTW, I think it's a cool book. Not quite as entertaining as a > book by Lemmy should be, but a lot of fun nonetheless. > > --Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 4 06:32:32 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:32:32 EDT Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC In-Reply-To: <37.34ff59ac.2b95478a@aol.com> Message-ID: On 3 Mar 2003 at 19:04, Joe Loehr wrote: > But, did Lemmy and the band know about this? > In the book, Lemmy relates how some other act they performed with > (Alice Cooper, maybe?), it was the road manager that was being a dick, > not the performer themselves who was causing the problem. > > I wonder if that was the same case with BOC? > Geez, does anyone here actually think Schenck is capable of screwing somebody over? theo From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 4 08:01:42 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:01:42 -0000 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: I *love* a concise and witty putdown just before lunch! Excellent! ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Bouchard > > Yea, and in my tour diary of 1975. I wrote that I watched Motorhead's > sound check at Hammersmith and thought they were awful. Maybe they just > didn't get a long ENOUGH sound check. ;-) > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 19:28:46 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:28:46 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Are you local to the Boleyn Ground then Steve? Given Dave's Ladbroke Grove area origins, I'm guessing Queens Park Rangers. Although fitting them into the category of "a good team" is an exercise best left to the reader. Cheers, Rich. ("I'm Huddersfield 'til I die, I'm Huddersfield 'til I die, I know I am I'm, I'm sure I am, I'm Huddersfield 'til I die!") ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > I saw another interview in which he was asked this question directly, and > the reply was "All I will say is that I support a *good team*". Given his > West London origins my guess would be Chelsea or Fulham. > > I'm a West Ham fan, fwiw...can say that without it being a guilty pleasure > as we beat Spurs on Saturday! > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:32:31 -0500, Dave Law wrote: > > >whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > >page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > >football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > >also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > >they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > >who's your team? > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 19:03:33 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:03:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: I caught the last few minutes of "The Heaven and Earth Show" on BBC1 on Sunday - for those not acquainted with said show, it's a kind of non-religious spiritual/moral/let's talk about religeon but not shove it down peoples necks kind of religion show. Actually, I can't quite describe it... A sort of gentle Sunday morning talk show, but more spiritual than religious... Anyway... At the end of it last week, they had a quick trailer for what's going to be on next week, and apparently they've got an interview with The Good Lord Noddy Of Holder, Patron Saint Of Leather Lunged Singers and Lord On High Of Top Three Singles. Which, let's face it, is as close as they'll ever get to an interview with God. :-) Anywy, it's on at about 10:30 on Sunday mornings, so set the video. Cheers, Rich. (Obviously this doesn't apply to our American friends, who, not only will they be in church on Sunday morning, will never have heard of Slade.) (That was a joke!) (Honest!) :-) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 19:40:38 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:40:38 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: > Mr. Brock's team is Fulham. I've just decided to flog all my Hawkwind stuff. Since Fulham did us out of a play-off place to the Premier League a couple of years ago on the last day of the season, I've taken it as my god given right to mow down (either with a machine gun, Calvert style, or in my car) any Fulham fans I ever meet. That was fun when I worked in Fulham. > Adrian Shaw was/is a Spurs fan - so it said in the 1977 tour program. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! > > For myself, its Liverpool. Hey everyone, keep an eye on your hubcaps!!! > > Mark :-) Mind you, having slagged everyone off, I'm a fan (as you might have noticed) of the first team to win the League Championship three seasons running. Arsenal? P'shaw. Liverpool? Amateurs. Manchester United? Don't make me laugh... (To the tune of "Those were the days...") Those were the days my friend, We thought they'd never end, We won the league, Three times in a row. We won the FA cup, and now we're going up, We are the Town, Oh yes we are the Town... Those were the days my friend... (Repeat ad nauseum) Sadly, we're not going up, and yes, we're rubbish. Mind you - could be worse. I could be a glory chaser... :-) At least I share the same team as at least one captain of the starship "Enterprise". I leave it as an exercise to the reader to work out which one... (Oh, and at least one British Prime Minister) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Mar 3 19:46:36 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:46:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy's selective memory in his book Message-ID: In the book, he also states that he'd never heard of Phil Campbell's band "Persian Risk" until Phil turned up for the audition. Funny that. I saw Persian Risk opening for Motorhead at Bradford University in the early eighties. Selective memory Mr Kilmister? Cheers, Rich. (Who is still of the opinion that Lemmy is God) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Lemmy on BOC > In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > > > But, did Lemmy and the band know about this? > > > > maybe, maybe not; but i think in the book, when Lem says "Motorhead doesn't > do that" or whatever he said, he meant the Motorhead 'organization' doesn't > do that. the band members themselves are hardly in a position to deny an > opening band lights/food/PA etc, but the crew ARE, and the crew works for the > band..... > > I doubt anyone in BOC said 'let's screw the opener'... it's a toura manager > thing, in my experience. > bobm > From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 08:41:04 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Sean McMahon) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:41:04 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:40:38 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> Mr. Brock's team is Fulham. > >I've just decided to flog all my Hawkwind stuff. Since Fulham did us out of >a play-off place to the Premier League a couple of years ago on the last day >of the season, I've taken it as my god given right to mow down (either with >a machine gun, Calvert style, or in my car) any Fulham fans I ever meet. >That was fun when I worked in Fulham. > >> Adrian Shaw was/is a Spurs fan - so it said in the 1977 tour program. > >BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! > >> >> For myself, its Liverpool. > >Hey everyone, keep an eye on your hubcaps!!! > >> >> Mark > >:-) > >Mind you, having slagged everyone off, I'm a fan (as you might have noticed) >of the first team to win the League Championship three seasons running. > >Arsenal? P'shaw. Liverpool? Amateurs. Manchester United? Don't make me >laugh... > >(To the tune of "Those were the days...") >Those were the days my friend, >We thought they'd never end, >We won the league, >Three times in a row. >We won the FA cup, >and now we're going up, >We are the Town, >Oh yes we are the Town... > >Those were the days my friend... (Repeat ad nauseum) > >Sadly, we're not going up, and yes, we're rubbish. > >Mind you - could be worse. I could be a glory chaser... :-) > >At least I share the same team as at least one captain of the starship >"Enterprise". I leave it as an exercise to the reader to work out which >one... (Oh, and at least one British Prime Minister) > >Cheers, > >Rich. IPSWICHIAN!! From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Mar 4 08:54:08 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:54:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy's selective memory in his book Message-ID: yeah, i saw persian risk also supprort motorhead, about 1984, if my memory serves me right though, phil had already left and was part of motorhead, i seem to think that the support slot was something of a favor thing, having left them in the lurch when he left. i may be wrong but thats what i remember!! From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 08:57:55 2003 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:57:55 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > Mind you, having slagged everyone off, I'm a fan (as you might have noticed) > of the first team to win the League Championship three seasons running. > > Arsenal? P'shaw. Liverpool? Amateurs. Manchester United? Don't make me > laugh... > > (To the tune of "Those were the days...") > Those were the days my friend, > We thought they'd never end, > We won the league, > Three times in a row. > We won the FA cup, > and now we're going up, > We are the Town, > Oh yes we are the Town... > > Those were the days my friend... (Repeat ad nauseum) > > Sadly, we're not going up, and yes, we're rubbish. > > Mind you - could be worse. I could be a glory chaser... :-) > > At least I share the same team as at least one captain of the starship > "Enterprise". I leave it as an exercise to the reader to work out which > one... (Oh, and at least one British Prime Minister) Huddersfield Too easy! From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Mar 4 10:07:01 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (=?utf-8?B?SGVuZGVyc29uIEtlaXRo?=) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:07:01 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IEhlYXZlbiBhbmQgRWFydGggLyBOb2RkeQ==?= Message-ID: RL hat gesagt... > At the end of it last week, they had a quick trailer for > what's going to be > on next week, and apparently they've got an interview with > The Good Lord > Noddy Of Holder, Patron Saint Of Leather Lunged Singers and > Lord On High Of > Top Three Singles. Which, let's face it, is as close as > they'll ever get to an interview with God. > (Obviously this doesn't apply to our American friends, who, > not only will they be in church on Sunday morning, will > never have heard of Slade.) > (That was a joke!) I hope so (2nd part...the first was too obvious)! Slade *did* have a hit single in the USofA (long after their 'prime'), something with "Run, run, away" in the chorus ("Chameleon" perhaps, tho' not to be confused with the Boy George song). And of course, Slade also had great success in the USA under their other name "Quiet Riot." :) Grakkl (FAA), who must admit to having seen Quiet Riot...long after one Mr. Randy Rhoads had split (and perhaps even perished) and have to say that Carlos Carvaso (or whatever his name is) was really a hack guitarist (IMHO) let alone having DuBros (sp?) as hack lead singer. What a crap band they turned out to be! P.S. Does anybody remember Krokus? :) Here in der Schweiz (home of America's Cup BTW), they've returned (hasn't *everybody* by now?) to seemingly great indifference....given that kids here seem to be much more interested in some horrid band named Mash and a guy who goes by DJ Bobo and seems to have no talent whatsoever. And that androgynous 'dude' named Daniel that was just ousted from the German version of American Idol. P.P.S. In football, I (traditionally) root for Penn State Nittany Lions (at the expense of Ohio State Buckeyes, who sadly won the last championship...thank goodness I'd left by then), but given that this sport is unknown here, has decided to support FC Basel, who must have a miracle or two v. ManU and/or Juve soon to retain any slim hope of advancing to the 3rd round of the CL...and who are also single-handedly responsible for the upcoming Celtic-Reds tie in the UEFA cup, which was quite an astonishing feat for a little Swiss club (full of Argentine strikers notwithstanding). Not unlike the "Swiss yachting team" (pronounced 'Throat-wobbler Mangrove') full of Kiwis. :) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 4 10:42:15 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:42:15 EST Subject: krokus Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2003 10:27:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > P.S. Does anybody remember Krokus? :) sure! great bunch of albums around '80-'82 notorious for stealing licks and entire sets of lyrics verbatim from ac/dc... still, fun records bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 10:39:54 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:39:54 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <200303040731.CAA16572@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: No it's a good thought, I'd say there was definitely some connection! > one other interesting theory. lemmy, who is well known for his lack of > love for football, left hawkwind in may 75, which would have been a matter > of days after daves (if the information is to be believed) beloved fulham > lost in the f.a cup final to west ham. was the drugs bust story just a > front?, was the real reason for his departure that he could'nt stand the > moaning and depression that dave would have suffered after this defeat!. > just a thought , and not a very good one at that! From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Tue Mar 4 11:35:32 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:35:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: > Geez, does anyone here actually think Schenck is capable of screwing somebody > over? Sheez, next we need a Smiff v. Schenck brawl..... From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Tue Mar 4 11:30:39 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:30:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: Well, recall that one where BOC, Man and some other band tried to do a tour with alternating headlining act? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 4 09:40:37 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:40:37 EDT Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Mar 2003 at 16:07, Henderson Keith wrote: > > (Obviously this doesn't apply to our American friends, who, > > not only will they be in church on Sunday morning, will > > never have heard of Slade.) > > > (That was a joke!) > > I hope so (2nd part...the first was too obvious)! Slade *did* > have a hit single in the USofA (long after their 'prime'), > something with "Run, run, away" in the chorus ("Chameleon" > perhaps, tho' not to be confused with the Boy George song). > And of course, Slade also had great success in the USA under > their other name "Quiet Riot." :) > Slade had a much-hyped intro to the US in their prime, and a modicum of success, albeit nothing like they enjoyed in the UK. Their early stuff got played on US radio, c.f. Gudbye to Jane [sp.?] but not a lot... Grakkl (FAA), who must admit to having seen Quiet Riot...long after > one Mr. Randy Rhoads had split (and perhaps even perished) and have to > say that Carlos Carvaso (or whatever his name is) was really a hack > guitarist (IMHO) let alone having DuBros (sp?) as hack lead singer. > What a crap band they turned out to be! > Turned out to be? They always sucked! How 'bout that bizzare dead squirell DuBrow used to wear on his head? Oh, wait, it's a toup?e... > P.S. Does anybody remember Krokus? :) Here in der Schweiz (home of > America's Cup BTW), they've returned (hasn't *everybody* by now?) to > seemingly great indifference.... Returned the way they left, then. Yeah, I remember 'em... > > P.P.S. In football, I (traditionally) root for Penn State > Nittany Lions (at the expense of Ohio State Buckeyes, who > sadly won the last championship...thank goodness I'd left by > then), but given that this sport is unknown here, But they DO have a Euro league of US-style football. Naturally, the krauts like it, but strangely, so do the Spaniards... thei From _jt at COX.NET Tue Mar 4 11:49:49 2003 From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:49:49 -0600 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >I hope so (2nd part...the first was too obvious)! Slade *did* >have a hit single in the USofA (long after their 'prime'), >something with "Run, run, away" in the chorus ("Chameleon" >perhaps, tho' not to be confused with the Boy George song). >And of course, Slade also had great success in the USA under >their other name "Quiet Riot." :) > Heh! I remember Slade's American hit. "I like black and white! She likes black and white! You like black and white! Run, run away . See the chameleon Lying there in the sun All things to everyone Run, run away! If you gotta crush don't beat about the bush When I gotta crush Run run away Oh now can't you wait love don't come on a plate Oh now can't you wait Run run away See the chameleon Lying there in the sun All things to everyone Run run away! I believe it was simply titled "Run Run Away." Fun song, actually! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 4 11:20:42 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:20:42 EDT Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC In-Reply-To: <005b01c2e26c$7b1b5790$298f8497@AAA> Message-ID: On 4 Mar 2003 at 11:30, Andrew Apold wrote: > Well, recall that one where BOC, Man and some other band tried to do a > tour with alternating headlining act? B?C did the tour with Sabbath, and they alternated headlining. Last summer's Sam & Dave tour did the same thing. Probably that horrible Elton JOhn/Billy Joel tour did likewise... theo From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Tue Mar 4 12:55:34 2003 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:55:34 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Southampton Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the last 36 years. Oh when the Saints........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. : also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. : who's your team? : regards : dave : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk : : p.s interview in question can be found at : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html : From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 14:52:46 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:52:46 -0000 Subject: krokus Message-ID: "K.R.O.K.U.S., Krokus have my home address!" Ahem. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: krokus > In a message dated 3/4/2003 10:27:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > > > P.S. Does anybody remember Krokus? :) > > sure! > great bunch of albums around '80-'82 > notorious for stealing licks and entire sets of lyrics verbatim from ac/dc... > still, fun records > > bobm > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 4 14:57:33 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:57:33 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Mark wrote > Mr. Brock's team is Fulham. >Adrian Shaw was/is a Spurs fan - so it said in the 1977 tour program. And Dave must be a BIG fan, or at least was - according to Mr Tawn, Dave walked out of his 1st wedding reception to watch Fulham at home! Very brave man! (Source - Hawkfan 10 1984) Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 11:28:05 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:28:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy's selective memory in his book In-Reply-To: <200303041354.IAA20102@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Then you sussed it cos Phil had already joined Motorhead at that time. On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 13:54, you wrote: > yeah, i saw persian risk also supprort motorhead, about 1984, if my memory > serves me right though, phil had already left and was part of motorhead, i > seem to think that the support slot was something of a favor thing, having > left them in the lurch when he left. i may be wrong but thats what i > remember!! From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Tue Mar 4 16:10:04 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:10:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: > On 4 Mar 2003 at 11:30, Andrew Apold wrote: > > > Well, recall that one where BOC, Man and some other band tried to do a > > tour with alternating headlining act? > B?C did the tour with Sabbath, and they alternated headlining. Last summer's Sam > & Dave tour did the same thing. Probably that horrible Elton JOhn/Billy Joel tour did > likewise... That's not the one I'm thinking of. I remember someone from one of the other bands relating how BOC would headline in the northeast, another band would headline in the midwest, and the third band would headline in the west coast, where presumably each of them had the largest following. BOC was listed as immediately taking over the dressing rooms at the start of the tour and making everyone else change in the hallways, and the other two bands hated BOC and united against them... until the second leg, during which the second band did the same thing, causing BOC and ("Man", I think) to unite against the now headlining band, and the tour fell apart before the third leg.... The part I most remember of the account was the two completely different descriptions of the 5-guitar lineup... From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Tue Mar 4 16:02:29 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:02:29 -0500 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: > I remember Slade's American hit. Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 4 16:23:26 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:23:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Questions......Mojo Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:22:47 EST, Eli Friedman wrote: >Just picked up the new issue of Mojo in question at a newstand in NYC. It's >got a Clash photo on the hot pink cover ...and a "punk" CD compilation >attached....with Mudhoney covering Urban Guerrila from a John Peel radio >session. So you should be able to find it with CD attached in the US. >Peace...Eli And one more bonus in this issue! The article on the Damned (mostly covering the Brian James years) includes a photo from the "Doomed" gig, with Lemmy's backside (unmistakeable, given the ammo belt and Rickenbacker) onstage with Vanian and Sensible. I'd never actually seen a photo of the lineup, so that was very cool. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 17:03:09 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:03:09 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean McMahon" > > IPSWICHIAN!! > Goodness me - that dates you. The last true interglacial (before the current one) it commenced about 130,000 years ago, lasted around 11,000 years and, yes, homo sapians sapians did emerge on the scene during that period. The question, I suppose, is whether either humankind or football has evolved most in the hundred thousand years or so since then. 8-) Answers on a small piece of ice please in a gin and tonic jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Mar 4 18:41:56 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:41:56 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <002d01c2e299$de4da7a0$7afd193e@jds>; from jill@THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:03:09PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:03:09PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > From: "Sean McMahon" > > > > IPSWICHIAN!! > > > Goodness me - that dates you [...] > about 130,000 years ago 250,000,000 more like. The Cenozoic epochs are all in "-ene". If it's "-ian", it's gotta be Paleozoic. Does that mean soccer predates the dinosaurs? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 4 19:06:23 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:06:23 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:21:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > maybe, maybe not; but i think in the book, when Lem says "Motorhead doesn't > do that" or whatever he said, he meant the Motorhead 'organization' doesn't > do that. the band members themselves are hardly in a position to deny an > opening band lights/food/PA etc, but the crew ARE, and the crew works for > the > band..... > Is any employer 100% cognizant of what it's employee's are doing at any given time? Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 4 19:14:05 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:14:05 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2003 4:12:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG writes: > BOC was > listed as immediately taking over the dressing rooms at the start of the > tour and making everyone else change in the hallways, and the other two > bands hated BOC and united against them... until the second leg, during > which the second band did the same thing, causing BOC and ("Man", I think) > to unite against the now headlining band, and the tour fell apart before > the > third leg.... Must be what they mean: "Never meet your heroes." You find out they're just as stupid and full of the same childish BS as everyone else! From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Mar 4 19:30:38 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:30:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC In-Reply-To: ; from JLoehr4299@AOL.COM on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 07:14:05PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 07:14:05PM -0500, Joe Loehr wrote: > Must be what they mean: "Never meet your heroes." > You find out they're just as stupid and full of the same childish BS as > everyone else! Or spend too much time discussing them on a mailing list. I'd never heard that, but it's true! I've been realizing it about HW, the last few years. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 21:00:01 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 02:00:01 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <002d01c2e299$de4da7a0$7afd193e@jds> Message-ID: sheer genius. On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 22:03, you wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean McMahon" > > > IPSWICHIAN!! > > Goodness me - that dates you. The last true interglacial (before the > current one) it commenced about 130,000 years ago, lasted around 11,000 > years and, yes, homo sapians sapians did emerge on the scene during that > period. The question, I suppose, is whether either humankind or > football has evolved most in the hundred thousand years or so since > then. 8-) > > Answers on a small piece of ice please in a gin and tonic > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Tue Mar 4 21:25:45 2003 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:25:45 -0600 Subject: krokus Message-ID: Yeah cool albums. and they were cool to cook dinner for too!! "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > In a message dated 3/4/2003 10:27:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > > > P.S. Does anybody remember Krokus? :) > > sure! > great bunch of albums around '80-'82 > notorious for stealing licks and entire sets of lyrics verbatim from ac/dc... > still, fun records > > bobm -- Thank you, Phillip A Jaeger 512-335-3713 mailto:riordan at austin.rr.com mobile: 512-422-8356 mailto:5124228356 at mobile.att.net From _jt at COX.NET Tue Mar 4 22:27:26 2003 From: _jt at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:27:26 -0500 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > >I remember Slade's American hit. > > > Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the one that included "Run Run Away." Was "My oh my" a hit as well? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 00:24:58 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:54:58 +1030 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: my dear ole dad is from southhampton - now hes lives in Umerika. Next trip over there I should check out the old family roots. whats the place like? --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > Southampton > Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the last 36 > years. > Oh when the Saints........ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Law" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM > Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like watching > : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. > : also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone do > : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group itself. > : who's your team? > : regards > : dave > : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > : > : p.s interview in question can be found at > : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html > : From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 5 00:49:44 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:49:44 EST Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2003 7:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > Is any employer 100% cognizant of what it's employee's are doing at any > given > time? > > if it becomes 'standard practice', IE happening night after night, even perhaps tour after tour, then I would hope so... bobm From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 5 02:03:13 2003 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:03:13 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: I'm not too sure to be honest, possib;y much the same, nothing ever changed while I lived there but I've been living in exile in the"midlands" for the last few years I don't get to see the "Saints" play much these days, in fact over the last 10 years I've seen Hawkwind play more often than going to a football match. Its cheaper and loads more fun. I never leave a Hawkwind gig so pissed off it affects the rest of the weekend, however badly they play (rare). but when the Saints lose a shadow falls around me that warns my friends and family to steer clear for a few hours. I hiss, spit, kick the cat and generally am a pain in the arse. Strange how some things affect you more than others? cheers Roger www.dumpysrustynuts.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:24 AM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game : my dear ole dad is from southhampton - now hes lives in Umerika. Next trip : over there I should check out the old family roots. whats the place like? : : --------------------------- : Cpt Blue Skin : (Alien Dream) : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Roger : To: : Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 AM : Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game : : : > Southampton : > Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the last 36 : > years. : > Oh when the Saints........ : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Dave Law" : > To: : > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM : > Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game : > : > : > : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links : > : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like : watching : > : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team is?. : > : also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if anyone : do : > : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group : itself. : > : who's your team? : > : regards : > : dave : > : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk : > : : > : p.s interview in question can be found at : > : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at : > : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html : > : : From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 02:14:38 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:14:38 -0000 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: Number 2 in England, kept off the Christmas number 1 slot by the Flying Pickets version of "Only You". Incidentally, the "You Boyz Make Big Noize" album was originally titled "The Amazing Kamekaze Syndrome", but had the name changed for reasons of taste in the USA... Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Thompson" <_jt at COX.NET> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Heaven and Earth / Noddy > Andrew Apold wrote: > > > >I remember Slade's American hit. > > > > > > Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > > > Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the > one that included "Run Run Away." > > Was "My oh my" a hit as well? > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 5 04:06:43 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:06:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: irrelevant & irreverent Lemmy reference Message-ID: Hey... The Onion (the world's greatest news source) has offered the following take on the Great White tragedy. Note to those who are unfamiliar with the Onion (and BTW, shame on you!)....uh, in spectacular un-American fashion, they are (at least) politically incorrect, and at "best" downright cruel and offensive. I love it. :) http://www.theonion.com/onion3908/wdyt_3908.html Grakkl (FAA), who thinks the last statement pretty much sums up what the US media believes that all Americans must feel 'cause that seems to be the basic premise by which they slant (I mean 'cover') their stories. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 17:34:17 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:34:17 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > > For myself, its Liverpool. > > Hey everyone, keep an eye on your hubcaps!!! > ?????????????????? Not surprised that you're on moderation - can't resist the outdated jibes eh?? Mark From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 5 09:03:24 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:03:24 +0100 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and paleoclimatology Message-ID: Eric hat gesagt... > On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:03:09PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > > From: "Sean McMahon" > > > > > > IPSWICHIAN!! > > > > > Goodness me - that dates you [...] > > about 130,000 years ago > > 250,000,000 more like. > > The Cenozoic epochs are all in "-ene". If it's "-ian", it's > gotta be Paleozoic. Nei...this "Ipswichian" is not an 'epoch' or 'era,' but rather a Quaternary term, and essentially then, a 'period.' And those are different across the globe, which can cause some confusion. So 130 ka is correct, although in the literature one normally refers to this as the "Eem" or "Eemian" period, which is from some other part of Europe (?). And the American-derived "Sangamon" (which is essentially the same) has seemingly gone out of favor. I think that had to do with the fact that it referred to *all* of Marine Isotope Stage 5, whereas Eemian was attached only to MIS 5e, which is the true interglacial lasting until about 110 ka. And so 'Eemian' and 'Wisconsinan' are often mixed together which is kinda weird but it's accepted. The glacial periods (colloquially "Ice Ages") are similarly regionally-distinct-yet-generally-simultaneous, so that the American 'Wisconsinan' is coincident to the Alpine 'Wuerm' and the NEurope/Fennoscandian 'Weichselian'. Nice that they all start with 'W.' Back into the more distant past, the US sequence WIKN (Wi, Illinoisan, Kansan, Nebraskan) is then reproduced by the Jura-derived alphabetically-inverted WRMG sequence (Wuerm, Riss, Mindel, Gunz). Before that, no glacial-geomorphological evidence has survived, and so that even though there were still ice ages further back, they weren't given geographical names. And so we call them MIS 12, 14, 16, etc. How boring. Of course, it was the polar (and then eventually high-elevation tropical) ice cores that put all of these into an accurate time frame and confirmed global synchroneity (to a first order, given some discrepancies of chronology of glacial onset across the equator from 30N-30S that I won't get into). And now I have heard rumours that the new EPICA Antarctic core (based on modelling that may well be a crock, I should point out) *may* have 850,000 years of continuous history (Vostock ended at 475,000 years BP, since they came upon a lake under the ice). And so that would predate the onset of the 100,000-yr. ice age cycle (by about 150,000 years) and thus would be quite an important feat (if true). And if that team had hired me, I'd live in Tromso, Norway at the moment. And be an alcoholic by now. :) YHRPC...Grakkl (FAA) From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 09:01:18 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:01:18 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <002101c2e2d7$96ad9700$bde7223f@laptop> Message-ID: It's an Industrial docking town by the Sea with a Huge shopping centre and Port. Fair amount of History. I'd describe it as POSH in the Military sense. On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 05:24, you wrote: > my dear ole dad is from southhampton - now hes lives in Umerika. Next trip > over there I should check out the old family roots. whats the place like? > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > Southampton > > Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the last > > 36 years. > > Oh when the Saints........ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Law" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM > > Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > > : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like > > watching > > > : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team > > : is?. also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if > > : anyone > > do > > > : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group > > itself. > > > : who's your team? > > : regards > > : dave > > : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > : > > : p.s interview in question can be found at > > : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > > : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Wed Mar 5 09:09:34 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:09:34 -0500 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: > Andrew Apold wrote: > > > >I remember Slade's American hit. > > > > > > Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > > > Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the > one that included "Run Run Away." > > Was "My oh my" a hit as well? I mainly remember it from a parody of it done by Joe Piscopo as David Letterman (remember when both were funny?) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 09:22:28 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:52:28 +1030 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Cool. My grandfather on my dads side was a gunner during WW2. Somewhere in England. Was credited with taking out several of them thar nasty nazi lufftwaffe boys at the time. ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > It's an Industrial docking town by the Sea with a Huge shopping centre and > Port. Fair amount of History. I'd describe it as POSH in the Military sense. > > > On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 05:24, you wrote: > > my dear ole dad is from southhampton - now hes lives in Umerika. Next trip > > over there I should check out the old family roots. whats the place like? > > > > --------------------------- > > Cpt Blue Skin > > (Alien Dream) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Roger > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 AM > > Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > > Southampton > > > Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the last > > > 36 years. > > > Oh when the Saints........ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Law" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM > > > Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > > > : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's links > > > : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like > > > > watching > > > > > : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team > > > : is?. also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who if > > > : anyone > > > > do > > > > > : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group > > > > itself. > > > > > : who's your team? > > > : regards > > > : dave > > > : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > > : > > > : p.s interview in question can be found at > > > : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > > > : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 09:25:50 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:55:50 +1030 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy off Message-ID: I remember Dave Letterman back in the mid 80s doing all kinds of weird stuff like crushing things under a 2 ton press and dropping things off a 4 story building to see what happened to them - and the velcro suit and the trampoline - that was funny ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Apold" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Heaven and Earth / Noddy > > Andrew Apold wrote: > > > > > >I remember Slade's American hit. > > > > > > > > > Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > > > > > Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the > > one that included "Run Run Away." > > > > Was "My oh my" a hit as well? > > I mainly remember it from a parody of it done by Joe Piscopo as David > Letterman (remember when both were funny?) From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Wed Mar 5 09:11:06 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:11:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lemmy on BOC Message-ID: > > Is any employer 100% cognizant of what it's employee's are doing at any > > given > > time? I certainly hope not. (gets back to work) From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Mar 5 08:38:42 2003 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:38:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: Super-tangential in that the aforementioned did "I Ain't Got You", just as BOC did done do .. but still, it's pretty neat. In April, they have a new album coming out called "Birdland", consisting of revisitings of old material and new tunes, too. What about the coveted lead guitar role? well, how bout this roster of people: Steve Vai Slash Brian May Satriani oh, and some guy called Jeff Beck. heh. check out theyardbirds.com (their new official website) Rocking mightily to _The Power to Believe_ by King Crimson, Jason From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Wed Mar 5 09:45:01 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:45:01 -0500 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy off Message-ID: > I remember Dave Letterman back in the mid 80s doing all kinds of weird stuff > like crushing things under a 2 ton press and dropping things off a 4 story > building to see what happened to them - and the velcro suit and the > trampoline - that was funny When I was in college int he 80s, it was something to not miss. I don't know when exactly, but I just stopped watching it. More than anything else, when he changed to CBS, it was on too early for me. I'd never be home in time to see it. On occasion he has a really good thing I'll catch, like when he had Warren Zevon on for the entire show after he was diagnosed with lung cancer..... (I'll admit I'm biased, Zevon is one of my favorite songwriters)... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 5 08:56:13 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:56:13 EDT Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD868@exchsen0a1md.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On 5 Mar 2003 at 8:38, Scruton, Jason wrote: > What about the coveted lead guitar role? > well, how bout this roster of people: > Steve Vai > Slash > Brian May > Satriani > oh, and some guy called Jeff Beck. heh. > > check out theyardbirds.com > (their new official website) > Check it yourself! It's Jeff Baxter not the immortal one. What a bummer! theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Mar 5 10:01:43 2003 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:01:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: Theo rightly admonishes, > Check it yourself! It's Jeff Baxter not the immortal one. > What a bummer! > Well, I got the Jeff Beck part from looking at ICE magazine, for it had a page long article about this disc (which is where I found out about it to begin with). According to it, Beck plays on one of the new tracks (Can't remember which, though). Hopefully, ICE is right this time around and the website was just with-holding info. jason From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 10:01:32 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:01:32 +0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game In-Reply-To: <002a01c2e322$b0a93e70$a8d0223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: Do you know any more details? I'd be happy to look up a few things for you, I'm going to the archives anyway. Email me offlist? On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 14:22, you wrote: > Cool. My grandfather on my dads side was a gunner during WW2. Somewhere > in England. Was credited with taking out several of them thar nasty nazi > lufftwaffe boys at the time. > ----------------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > http://www.alien-dream.com > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > It's an Industrial docking town by the Sea with a Huge shopping centre > > and Port. Fair amount of History. I'd describe it as POSH in the > > Military > > sense. > > > On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 05:24, you wrote: > > > my dear ole dad is from southhampton - now hes lives in Umerika. Next > > trip > > > > over there I should check out the old family roots. whats the place > > like? > > > > --------------------------- > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > (Alien Dream) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Roger > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > > > > Southampton > > > > Through all the good times (few) and the heartaches (many) for the > > last > > > > > 36 years. > > > > Oh when the Saints........ > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dave Law" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > > > > > > > > : whilst reading a newly found dave brock interview on "starfarer's > > links > > > > > : page" i came accross the following quote from mr brock "I do like > > > > > > watching > > > > > > > : football over here ". does anyone on the list know who dave's team > > > > : is?. also what about other hawkwind members past and present, who > > > > : if anyone > > > > > > do > > > > > > > : they support? and finally while we're at it, what about the group > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > : who's your team? > > > > : regards > > > > : dave > > > > : www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk > > > > : > > > > : p.s interview in question can be found at > > > > : http://www.starfarer.net/links1.html (link192) or direct at > > > > : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 5 09:14:57 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:14:57 EDT Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD869@exchsen0a1md.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On 5 Mar 2003 at 10:01, Scruton, Jason wrote: > Well, I got the Jeff Beck part from looking at ICE magazine, > for it had a page long article about this disc (which > is where I found out about it to begin with). > According to it, Beck plays on one of the new tracks > (Can't remember which, though). > > Hopefully, ICE is right this time around and the website > was just with-holding info. > That would be cool. But really, the current band is pretty lame, with just 2 guys from the original band. Is Samwell-Smith still alive? If so, why can't they get him onboard? Is this just the Box of Frogs part II? theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 10:30:42 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:30:42 +0800 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: > That would be cool. But really, the current band is pretty lame, with just 2 guys from > the original band. Is Samwell-Smith still alive? If so, why can't they get him > onboard? Is this just the Box of Frogs part II? > Believe it or not, but I was just about to make a comment about this sounding more like a Box of Frogs reunion! William From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Mar 5 10:37:55 2003 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:37:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: > Believe it or not, but I was just about to make a comment about this > sounding more like a Box of Frogs reunion! > > William Stranger things have happened, or are happening.. after all, who would have thought You'd hear that Procol Harum has a NEW (not a best-off) album out this week? I actually heard this on television the other night. The revival of the 1960's revival is on! jason From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 11:14:29 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:14:29 +0800 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz Message-ID: Hi there I was just contemplating over another email I wrote about The Sweet re-recording their old material yet again, & got to thinking that, as someone living in West Australia, it is almost impossible to find nothing but Greatest Hits or Best Of CDs by a vast majority of artists (with the exception of the really big names). If you go into any shops here, you are very unlikely to find anything by Hawkwind, with the exception of maybe 2 CDs in the specialty shops in Perth itself. With many others you have no chance, which brings me to my headline. No wonder a great deal of people are doing this sort of thing, when it's impossible to get the stuff (not being into drugs myself, I bet it's a lot easier in WA to get it than a CD by someone like Bill Nelson!). I just wish more artists could find a way to make this material more easily accessable to the fans (and in a legal way too). They could provide some means to download all the material, covers, etc., off the net, but through some sort of secure server? Going very slightly off topic again, why do companies that produce software sometimes make you charge about the same amount as a PC for an upgrade? I know this sort of thing has been covered before, but the way things seem now, it's becoming easier to get things illegally than it is legally. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 10:55:03 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:55:03 +0800 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: And even although I am a fan of The Sweet (who still do the occasional new album. Sweetlife being the most recent), they are going to re-record their old hits yet again for another new album (they only just did one a few years ago, & brought out a live recording with basically the same material on it at the same time!). William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scruton, Jason" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:37 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) > > Believe it or not, but I was just about to make a comment about this > > sounding more like a Box of Frogs reunion! > > > > William > > Stranger things have happened, or are happening.. > after all, who would have thought You'd hear > that Procol Harum has a NEW (not a best-off) > album out this week? > I actually heard this on television the other night. > > The revival of the 1960's revival is on! > jason > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 11:30:10 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:00:10 +1030 Subject: Heaven and Earth / Noddy off Message-ID: I stopped watching when I moved back to Australia in 87 because the show wasn't aired here untill only a few years ago or so. Lately he has been very good. ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Apold" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Heaven and Earth / Noddy off > > I remember Dave Letterman back in the mid 80s doing all kinds of weird > stuff > > like crushing things under a 2 ton press and dropping things off a 4 story > > building to see what happened to them - and the velcro suit and the > > trampoline - that was funny > > When I was in college int he 80s, it was something to not miss. I don't > know when exactly, but I just stopped watching it. More than anything else, > when he changed to CBS, it was on too early for me. I'd never be home in > time to see it. > > On occasion he has a really good thing I'll catch, like when he had Warren > Zevon on for the entire show after he was diagnosed with lung cancer..... > (I'll admit I'm biased, Zevon is one of my favorite songwriters)... > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 11:48:53 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:18:53 +1030 Subject: free mp3 if anyone is interested Message-ID: Anyone interested in a totally free mp3 of a song I recorded with my ex wife a couple of years ago. { Non alien dream material here...... } I've been playing around with the mix and have come up with quite an interesting remix. and yaa - it is professionally recorded. Not a ghetto blaster recording in one take or anything sad like that. Its quite a mellow track (not a dance remix - arrrgh hehe) but it has lovely synths and a clean guitar sound with a cool bass sound and superb vocals for the style. Oh yes and I even added some of Cpt Blacks synthiA samples in here which I processed with some interesting filters - but they are very sparingly used. Needless to say - I did not do the vocals. Anyway mail me private ( michael_1968 at ozemail.com.au ) and if there is enough interest I will upload it to my website and announce it on these lists soon. btw I have been paitning most of the night with oil paints and turps so if I have rambled on a bit its probably cause I'm slightly wacked on the turps fumes..... you know how it is eh what? anyway - let me know - we'll do lunch - be good Poka ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 5 10:03:36 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:03:36 EDT Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD86C@exchsen0a1md.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On 5 Mar 2003 at 10:37, Scruton, Jason wrote: > Stranger things have happened, or are happening.. > after all, who would have thought You'd hear > that Procol Harum has a NEW (not a best-off) > album out this week? > I actually heard this on television the other night. > This isn't unprecedented, c.f. Prodigal Stranger. But I bet Robin Trower is MIA on this project, eh? theo From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 11:51:37 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:51:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz In-Reply-To: <0b0001c2e332$4e873930$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: I coudnt agree more. On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 16:14, you wrote: > Hi there > > I was just contemplating over another email I wrote about The Sweet > re-recording their old material yet again, & got to thinking that, as > someone living in West Australia, it is almost impossible to find nothing > but Greatest Hits or Best Of CDs by a vast majority of artists (with the > exception of the really big names). > If you go into any shops here, you are very unlikely to find anything by > Hawkwind, with the exception of maybe 2 CDs in the specialty shops in Perth > itself. With many others you have no chance, which brings me to my > headline. No wonder a great deal of people are doing this sort of thing, > when it's impossible to get the stuff (not being into drugs myself, I bet > it's a lot easier in WA to get it than a CD by someone like Bill Nelson!). > > I just wish more artists could find a way to make this material more easily > accessable to the fans (and in a legal way too). They could provide some > means to download all the material, covers, etc., off the net, but through > some sort of secure server? > > Going very slightly off topic again, why do companies that produce software > sometimes make you charge about the same amount as a PC for an upgrade? > > I know this sort of thing has been covered before, but the way things seem > now, it's becoming easier to get things illegally than it is legally. > > William From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 5 12:02:22 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:02:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: TJ said... > That would be cool. But really, the current band is pretty > lame, with just 2 guys from > the original band. Is Samwell-Smith still alive? If so, why > can't they get him > onboard? Is this just the Box of Frogs part II? Yeah, it never ends doesn't it? And I just saw an announcement today that Thin Lizzy is coming to play near here. I don't care how many "original members" this band has, I can pretty much say for certain that it doesn't include the only one that really counts! Grakkl (FAA), who just this past weekend purchased the Keith Relf-fronted Armageddon CD at a CD show in Zurich, along with High Tide's "Interesting Times" (or something...that's a 90s thing is it? No bloody date on the silly digipack/disc) and Eloy-Floating (new version, with bonus tracks). P.S. *Who* isn't/won't-ever-be back? At some point? I guess the Beatles, and that's it. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 5 11:11:42 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:11:42 EDT Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5 Mar 2003 at 18:02, Henderson Keith wrote: > Yeah, it never ends doesn't it? And I just saw an announcement > today that Thin Lizzy is coming to play near here. I don't > care how many "original members" this band has, I can pretty > much say for certain that it doesn't include the only one that > really counts! > Yah, Thin Lizzy is a bizzare case, in that the whole rest of the band is there except for the one guy who HAS to be there... > P.S. *Who* isn't/won't-ever-be back? At some point? I guess > the Beatles, and that's it. The Stones, but that doesn't stop them from playing gigs... theo From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 13:22:37 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:22:37 -0000 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: Simon King was/is a Chelsea fan Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 March 2003 09:52 Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game >Richard Lockwood wrote: >> > For myself, its Liverpool. >> >> Hey everyone, keep an eye on your hubcaps!!! >> >?????????????????? >Not surprised that you're on moderation - can't resist the outdated jibes >eh?? > >Mark > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 13:54:02 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 05:24:02 +1030 Subject: free mp3 available for download now Message-ID: Ok - you can grab this little freebee from here: http://www.alien-dream.com/html/ad_download_mp3.html you will spot the link easy enough on the page as its in bright purple titled: "I call to you" all feedback appreciated especially on the tonal qualities of the mix as I already know its a good song :) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Mar 5 13:55:44 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:55:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz In-Reply-To: <0b0001c2e332$4e873930$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, William Duffy wrote: :Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz : :Hi there : :I was just contemplating over another email I wrote about The Sweet :re-recording their old material yet again, & got to thinking that, as :someone living in West Australia, it is almost impossible to find nothing :but Greatest Hits or Best Of CDs by a vast majority of artists (with the :exception of the really big names). :If you go into any shops here, you are very unlikely to find anything by :Hawkwind, with the exception of maybe 2 CDs in the specialty shops in Perth :itself. With many others you have no chance, which brings me to my headline. :No wonder a great deal of people are doing this sort of thing, when it's :impossible to get the stuff (not being into drugs myself, I bet it's a lot :easier in WA to get it than a CD by someone like Bill Nelson!). : :I just wish more artists could find a way to make this material more easily :accessable to the fans (and in a legal way too). They could provide some :means to download all the material, covers, etc., off the net, but through :some sort of secure server? : :Going very slightly off topic again, why do companies that produce software :sometimes make you charge about the same amount as a PC for an upgrade? : :I know this sort of thing has been covered before, but the way things seem :now, it's becoming easier to get things illegally than it is legally. I'm a bit confused. If you already have access to the 'net, and are willing to commit yourself to online credit card use, surely you can just use an online retailer to pick up whatever you happen to be looking for? Cranium from NZ, Andy G from cd services, Gary from Artist Shop all carry good stuff and they are all available from the 'net. (not to mention any of the horde of faceless corp. online retailers, like amazon and friends.) Arin (sigh. who found herself typing "e-tailer" rather than retailer, and got very very annoyed.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 14:21:57 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:21:57 +0800 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:55 AM Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, William Duffy wrote: > > :Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > : > :Hi there > : > :I was just contemplating over another email I wrote about The Sweet > :re-recording their old material yet again, & got to thinking that, as > :someone living in West Australia, it is almost impossible to find nothing > :but Greatest Hits or Best Of CDs by a vast majority of artists (with the > :exception of the really big names). > :If you go into any shops here, you are very unlikely to find anything by > :Hawkwind, with the exception of maybe 2 CDs in the specialty shops in Perth > :itself. With many others you have no chance, which brings me to my headline. > :No wonder a great deal of people are doing this sort of thing, when it's > :impossible to get the stuff (not being into drugs myself, I bet it's a lot > :easier in WA to get it than a CD by someone like Bill Nelson!). > : > :I just wish more artists could find a way to make this material more easily > :accessable to the fans (and in a legal way too). They could provide some > :means to download all the material, covers, etc., off the net, but through > :some sort of secure server? > : > :Going very slightly off topic again, why do companies that produce software > :sometimes make you charge about the same amount as a PC for an upgrade? > : > :I know this sort of thing has been covered before, but the way things seem > :now, it's becoming easier to get things illegally than it is legally. > > I'm a bit confused. > > If you already have access to the 'net, and are willing to commit yourself > to online credit card use, surely you can just use an online retailer to > pick up whatever you happen to be looking for? > > Cranium from NZ, Andy G from cd services, Gary from Artist Shop all carry > good stuff and they are all available from the 'net. > > (not to mention any of the horde of faceless corp. online retailers, like > amazon and friends.) > I myself am already doing this sort of thing but, unlike people in other countries who find it easier to buy CD by the more obscure artists, it is impossible to do so here in West Australia. Also, a great deal of things I like are no longer available anywhere (Can someone point me in the direction of Larry Fast's Synergy CDs, or any White Noise?). I know other people who are curious enough to by many of those artists, but would much rather have the freedom to go into a shop to buy such an artist. The problem with places such as West Australia is that they categorize artists like Dire Straits as progressive rock, Tangerine Dream as new age or meditation, & that's about it! You have buckley's trying to find anything like Robert Calvert or Golden Earring, or even something you would not imagine to be as difficult as Todd Rundgren. On another side note, I hate this new way of putting artists under what type of music they do. I have seen Monty Python in the Children's section & Steeleye Span in Heavy Metal??? William From novadrive at COX.NET Wed Mar 5 14:55:05 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:55:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz In-Reply-To: <0b4b01c2e34c$83cf3650$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: What I hate is how everything HAS to be pigeonholed. I can't count the times when someone hears me listening to something and says "What kind of music is that?" I want to say "You can hear it, you tell me what kind it is if you feel so forced to categorize it!" but I suppose I'm usually just too polite for my own good........ KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of William Duffy > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > > > On another side note, I hate this new way of putting artists > under what type > of music they do. I have seen Monty Python in the Children's section & > Steeleye Span in Heavy Metal??? > > William From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 14:59:54 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:59:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Audience Participation Message-ID: It strikes me while watching this Status Quo Video that Hawkwind have never been an Audience Participation band in the same way. What I mean is that Quo seem to have a Command Structure where Francis Rossi tells the audience to "Sing" "Let's be havin' ya" "you do an o o" "I'll do an o o" "Helloooo" lifting his Arms then theres a whole loads of closures like "schtum" or "This is a song about a prostitute that Rick used to know, is it?????" Then the whole audience falls dumb silent. I far prefer the Hawks approach. All the Quo stuff makes me cringe, it really does. The musics ok but I really cant get involved "in that way" Doing an agadoo or even the Slade stuff. Sorry Folks. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 15:15:46 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:45:46 +1030 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz Message-ID: and when someone asks you (as a musician) what "kind" of music do you play. answer - the kind of music you listen to...... reply: what.... country rock light rock acid rock heavy rock pop rap metal old school metal death metal dirty death metal with a skull jambed........ok yeah i made it up) grind goth ambient etc etc etc etc etc its amazing how many different labels there are in our modern world...... ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > What I hate is how everything HAS to be pigeonholed. I can't count the times > when someone hears me listening to something and says "What kind of music is > that?" > I want to say "You can hear it, you tell me what kind it is if you feel so > forced to categorize it!" but I suppose I'm usually just too polite for my > own good........ > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of William Duffy > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > > > > > On another side note, I hate this new way of putting artists > > under what type > > of music they do. I have seen Monty Python in the Children's section & > > Steeleye Span in Heavy Metal??? > > > > William From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Mar 5 16:48:42 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:48:42 -0600 Subject: HW: Audience Participation Message-ID: What was kewl about the Brixton 30th anniversary show was when they did "Spirit of the Age". The audience was not prompted to sing the chorus, but did so spontaneously. That was magical. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 16:57:43 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:27:43 +1030 Subject: HW: Audience Participation Message-ID: 100% agreed!! ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Re: HW: Audience Participation > What was kewl about the Brixton 30th anniversary show was when they did > "Spirit of the Age". The audience was not prompted to sing the chorus, but > did so spontaneously. That was magical. > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Mar 5 18:56:52 2003 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:56:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly recommended. It's their best work in years!! Dan From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 20:15:28 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:15:28 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Hi guys, I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll put you in touch with Sean. I think this is an aposite moment to discuss MP3s and rips of CDs. (and it might avoid some shouty matches on the list) Bear with me on this... We're all agreed that selling bootlegs is a *bad thing*. Most of us agree that trading bootlegs is a *good thing* When we say "bootlegs", we mean "recordings of Hawkwind (or other band - for now I'll just say Hawkwind, but you know what I'm getting at) which are not commercially available, but have been recorded by some bloke with a condenser mic or recorded by bribing the bloke on the sound desk". (I've just fired up BBC 6 Music (www.bbc.co.uk/6music) and they're advertising Motorhead!!!! 1am GMT, 6/3/03) Now, this is an interesting one. WOTEOT has been released twice, and deleted twice. If your mate offered you an MP3 copy of it, on a cheap 18p CD for the price of a pint - not because it cost him the price of a pint (to our American Friends - a pint is TWENTY fluid ounces - but that's by the by) but because he wanted to give you this great music, does that make it pirated, bootleg or illegal? I know full well that it's both pirated *AND* illegal, but my point is this... (I'm probably not making myself clear here) If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? My view is that if the thing's deleted, then there's no way you could get a copy that would give the band any profit, so - go for it, with the thought in the back of your hed that if you ever see that CD with that gorgeous pink and blue Rodney Matthews cover, then you'll buy it. So if anyone wants the sounds of WOTEOT (rather than the full package!), drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Sean who can provide you with a copy of Warrior - but not the original any more. So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for him!)? Cheers, Rich. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 20:44:08 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:44:08 +0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <056b01c2e37d$e020ac50$644123d9@bernard> Message-ID: I couldnt agree more! Come on Hawkwind Management get you're Master Tapes in order. I sent my Earthed to the Ground LP to Rob Ayling for re-mastering and nich heard since. You're [Hawkwind Management] throwing away money. On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 01:15, you wrote: > Hi guys, > > I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just > to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's > anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to > MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > put you in touch with Sean. > > I think this is an aposite moment to discuss MP3s and rips of CDs. (and it > might avoid some shouty matches on the list) > > Bear with me on this... > > We're all agreed that selling bootlegs is a *bad thing*. > > Most of us agree that trading bootlegs is a *good thing* > > When we say "bootlegs", we mean "recordings of Hawkwind (or other band - > for now I'll just say Hawkwind, but you know what I'm getting at) which are > not commercially available, but have been recorded by some bloke with a > condenser mic or recorded by bribing the bloke on the sound desk". > > (I've just fired up BBC 6 Music (www.bbc.co.uk/6music) and they're > advertising Motorhead!!!! 1am GMT, 6/3/03) > > Now, this is an interesting one. WOTEOT has been released twice, and > deleted twice. If your mate offered you an MP3 copy of it, on a cheap 18p > CD for the price of a pint - not because it cost him the price of a pint > (to our American Friends - a pint is TWENTY fluid ounces - but that's by > the by) but because he wanted to give you this great music, does that make > it pirated, bootleg or illegal? > > I know full well that it's both pirated *AND* illegal, but my point is > this... (I'm probably not making myself clear here) > > If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > My view is that if the thing's deleted, then there's no way you could get a > copy that would give the band any profit, so - go for it, with the thought > in the back of your hed that if you ever see that CD with that gorgeous > pink and blue Rodney Matthews cover, then you'll buy it. > > So if anyone wants the sounds of WOTEOT (rather than the full package!), > drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Sean who can provide you with > a copy of Warrior - but not the original any more. > > So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for > him!)? > > Cheers, > > Rich. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 21:21:04 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:21:04 +0800 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz Message-ID: > and when someone asks you (as a musician) what "kind" of music do you play. > answer - the kind of music you listen to...... > reply: > what.... > country > rock > light rock > acid rock > heavy rock > pop > rap > metal > old school metal > death metal > dirty death metal with a skull jambed........ok yeah i made it up) > grind > goth > ambient > etc > etc > etc > etc > etc > > its amazing how many different labels there are in our modern world...... > A friend & I did an album's worth of demo tapes. One track was inspired by Mototrhead, another by Brian Eno, another by Monty Python, anther by BBC Sound Effects albums, etc., etc.. It always annoyed me when I would hear my brother try to explain the type of music on it by saying "It's a bit like Pink Floyd"! William From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 21:36:01 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:36:01 -0000 Subject: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz Message-ID: To paraphrase The Blues Brothers... "There are two kinds of music that I really hate. Country, and Western." :-) Cheers, Rich. > and when someone asks you (as a musician) what "kind" of music do you play. > answer - the kind of music you listen to...... > reply: > what.... > country > rock > light rock > acid rock > heavy rock > pop > rap > metal > old school metal > death metal > dirty death metal with a skull jambed........ok yeah i made it up) > grind > goth > ambient > etc > etc > etc > etc > etc > > its amazing how many different labels there are in our modern world...... > > > ----------------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > http://www.alien-dream.com > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KevinSommers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:25 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > > > > What I hate is how everything HAS to be pigeonholed. I can't count the > times > > when someone hears me listening to something and says "What kind of music > is > > that?" > > I want to say "You can hear it, you tell me what kind it is if you feel so > > forced to categorize it!" but I suppose I'm usually just too polite for my > > own good........ > > > > > > KevinSommers > > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > > Behalf Of William Duffy > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OFF: MP3s, pirates, & all that jazz > > > > > > > On another side note, I hate this new way of putting artists > > > under what type > > > of music they do. I have seen Monty Python in the Children's section & > > > Steeleye Span in Heavy Metal??? > > > > > > William > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 21:25:23 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:25:23 +0800 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: I presume though that it is in the same new style they adopted after they reformed, & not like the good old days of Red, Lizard, etc., which I prefer. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF: New King Crimson CD > Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some > incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly > recommended. It's > their best work in years!! > > Dan > > From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Mar 5 22:02:31 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:02:31 -0500 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I totally sympathise with these sentiments, and simultaneously feel that it is totally the wrong way to go about things. There is huge demand for WOTEOT to be made available on CD again - along with Quark, ASAM, PXR5, Hawklords and whatever else is missing from the pantheon. That isn't going to happen if people do things that are (technically) piractical and illegal, however understandable that is. I'd also chip in with the observation that copying official albums is not the same as audience taping of live gigs. I've slightly more sympathy with the latter, but am quite ready to accept the band's ban on that. *Of course*, any Hawkwind fan who's committed enough to belong to this list is not going to be satisfied with MP3 copies, or a tape. They want the real album, on an official release. I know that. You know that. But the accountants who run major record companies (i.e. the only people who could ensure these works get re-released) don't know that. They are bean counters who will regard this kind of copying as loss of sales. And let's face it, Hawkwind's back catalogue has to be their main commercial asset, more so than future albums. (As a case in point, I have an audience-taping CDR of the 18/08/01 Canterbury Sound Festival gig. When I get my hands on the official release, I'll break the CDR into a thousand pieces, place the wreckage on the scanner and post an image of it on my website for all to see.) So, while I don't think this is an immoral action, I don't think it's The Right Thing To Do, either. I hope that wasn't shouty! And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... Cheers Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:15:28 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Hi guys, > >I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just >to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > >He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's >anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to >MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll >put you in touch with Sean. >If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your >mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a >copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? >So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for >him!)? > >Cheers, > >Rich. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Mar 5 22:24:53 2003 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:24:53 CST Subject: OFF: Heaven and Earth / Noddy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 2003 05:00:10 CST." <200303051000.FAA25549@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Jeff Thompson <_jt at COX.NET> writes: >Andrew Apold wrote: >> >I remember Slade's American hit. >> Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > >Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the >one that included "Run Run Away." Actually it was on the _same_ album as "Run, Runaway". In the UK, it was "The Amazing Kamikaze Syndrome", but in the US, "Cocky Rock Boys (Rule OK)" was replaced with what became the title track, "Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply". This was one album that really showed how a record company can hack up an album when it goes to the states. Side 2 of TAKS rocked, but KYHOMPS rearranged the tracks, destroying the flow of one song into another, and seemed like a real chop job in comparison. TAKS/KYHOMPS was followed in 1985 by "Rogues Gallery", and "You Boyz Make Big Noize" in 1986. Richard Lockwood replied: >Incidentally, the "You Boyz Make Big Noize" album was originally titled "The >Amazing Kamekaze Syndrome", but had the name changed for reasons of taste in >the USA... "Keep..." that was the retitled one, not "You Boyz..." m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Mar 5 22:47:10 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:47:10 -0700 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: Why don't you stop presuming and give it a listen? :-) I'm in full agreement with Dan. Guido William Duffy wrote: >I presume though that it is in the same new style they adopted after they >reformed, & not like the good old days of Red, Lizard, etc., which I prefer. > >William > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:56 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: New King Crimson CD > > > > >>Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some >>incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly >>recommended. It's >>their best work in years!! >> >>Dan >> >> >> >> > > > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Mar 5 22:48:15 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:48:15 -0700 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: I think it might be their best album since 1974. Guido Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: >Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some >incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly >recommended. It's >their best work in years!! > >Dan > > > From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 5 22:46:38 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:46:38 EST Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: I agree...it's the best since Beat...Happy to be Happy to be what your Happy with is one of my fav Crimson songs. I have seen every tour since 74 when my sister took me to the Larks in Aspic Tongues tour...I was 8 years old. Please email mail me if anyone on this list would like a "Dales fav" Crison CD'r. Do yourselves a favor and see this show!!! From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 5 22:48:28 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:48:28 EST Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: They have performed Red on every tour since THRAK. One of the Highlights of every tour. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 22:55:30 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:55:30 +0800 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: I hope that is the case, however, in my own personal view, all of the material I have heard by them since they reformed was not the same band that I liked, & was more in the vein of Talking Heads. I don't suppose they do material like Epitaph anymore (or have they gone back to using other instruments as well as just guitars?). I know it's all down to personal taste really, but I never liked anything they did when they got back as a band, since it didn't sound like the band they were in the first place. William PS It's unlikely I would give it a listen, partly because i feel I won't like it, but mostly because I probably would be very unlikely to find it anywhere in West Australia! > I think it might be their best album since 1974. > > Guido > > Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > > >Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some > >incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly > >recommended. It's > >their best work in years!! > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 5 23:54:00 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:54:00 +0800 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: What I loved about the original sound King Crimson had was the way the could put a rich diversity into their albums. Using their first album as an example, you could put 21st Century Schizoid Man on, & annoy anyone within earshot. You could play I Talk to the Wind, & your mother would love it. Then there's all the wonderful tracks they did that blended rock, jazz, & classical music, & the use of instruments like the flute, mellotron, or violin. I also loved the tracks where they would build up to a crescendo, then go quite for a minute or so, with the occasional faint sound being heard, then back to the music again! Although I admit I haven't listened to anything they may have done in the past 10 years, I did buy the first 3 or 4 albums of the reformed band out of loyalty, but didn't like any of them at all. I never heard any of the things on those albums that made me like their music in the first place! All I seem to hear nowadays is mostly American-style fast funky bass guitar & frentic guitar playing, combined with vocals that sound more like David Byrne than John Wetton! I do sincerely hope things have changed again though, but I won't be buying any albums to find out! If there are anywhere on the net with excerpts from their current material that can prove me wrong, then please point me to the address? William From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Mar 6 03:13:12 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:13:12 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as Hawkwind, Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased studio material are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. Robat Voiceprint has got the right idea by trying to release existing bootlegs on the market in conjunction with the band so that the band gets the benefit not the bootlegger and he is about the only one to get that right. However, there is always the thorny subject of musicians. I won;t name names (sorry) but I know several bands of interest to you here (or labels) who would like to release archive material but simply CANNOT because ONE of the key (or just plain band) members refuses to snaction the release, and it only takes this to stop the release of any archive stuff. It must be infuriating for both other group members and/or label owner, who can but watch the bootleg market or MP3 circuit or whatever,flourish, but then I suppose you can only say to the musician in that position to lighten up and see the big picture - or at least see it from the fans point of view. One band member actually said they wouldn;t sanction the release of any live material by that band (no longer in existence) because of (a) the versions weren;t THAT different from the studio album, and (b) the live versions had the odd bum note in them!! The words "forest" and "trees" spring to mind. So, until universal band peace and ego-loss break out "en masse", welcome to the immoral world of MP3'ing (just kidding). Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > I couldnt agree more! > > Come on Hawkwind Management get you're Master Tapes in order. > > I sent my Earthed to the Ground LP to Rob Ayling for re-mastering and nich > heard since. You're [Hawkwind Management] throwing away money. > > > On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 01:15, you wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just > > to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > > > He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's > > anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to > > MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > > put you in touch with Sean. > > > > I think this is an aposite moment to discuss MP3s and rips of CDs. (and it > > might avoid some shouty matches on the list) > > > > Bear with me on this... > > > > We're all agreed that selling bootlegs is a *bad thing*. > > > > Most of us agree that trading bootlegs is a *good thing* > > > > When we say "bootlegs", we mean "recordings of Hawkwind (or other band - > > for now I'll just say Hawkwind, but you know what I'm getting at) which are > > not commercially available, but have been recorded by some bloke with a > > condenser mic or recorded by bribing the bloke on the sound desk". > > > > (I've just fired up BBC 6 Music (www.bbc.co.uk/6music) and they're > > advertising Motorhead!!!! 1am GMT, 6/3/03) > > > > Now, this is an interesting one. WOTEOT has been released twice, and > > deleted twice. If your mate offered you an MP3 copy of it, on a cheap 18p > > CD for the price of a pint - not because it cost him the price of a pint > > (to our American Friends - a pint is TWENTY fluid ounces - but that's by > > the by) but because he wanted to give you this great music, does that make > > it pirated, bootleg or illegal? > > > > I know full well that it's both pirated *AND* illegal, but my point is > > this... (I'm probably not making myself clear here) > > > > If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > > mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > > copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > > > My view is that if the thing's deleted, then there's no way you could get a > > copy that would give the band any profit, so - go for it, with the thought > > in the back of your hed that if you ever see that CD with that gorgeous > > pink and blue Rodney Matthews cover, then you'll buy it. > > > > So if anyone wants the sounds of WOTEOT (rather than the full package!), > > drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Sean who can provide you with > > a copy of Warrior - but not the original any more. > > > > So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for > > him!)? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 03:21:44 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:21:44 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Hi Steve, Quite agree. However, if I own the album on vinyl, and don't have a turntable any more, I'd still want to be able to listen to it. Agreed, I'd rather buy it than have to "pirate" it, as you say, but if a recording's no longer available, for no good reason... I think I'm agreeing and disagreeing with you simultaneously, as you did with me. :-) It's a dilemma, frankly. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > I totally sympathise with these sentiments, and simultaneously feel that it > is totally the wrong way to go about things. There is huge demand for > WOTEOT to be made available on CD again - along with Quark, ASAM, PXR5, > Hawklords and whatever else is missing from the pantheon. That isn't going > to happen if people do things that are (technically) piractical and > illegal, however understandable that is. I'd also chip in with the > observation that copying official albums is not the same as audience taping > of live gigs. I've slightly more sympathy with the latter, but am quite > ready to accept the band's ban on that. > > *Of course*, any Hawkwind fan who's committed enough to belong to this list > is not going to be satisfied with MP3 copies, or a tape. They want the > real album, on an official release. I know that. You know that. But the > accountants who run major record companies (i.e. the only people who could > ensure these works get re-released) don't know that. They are bean > counters who will regard this kind of copying as loss of sales. And let's > face it, Hawkwind's back catalogue has to be their main commercial asset, > more so than future albums. > > (As a case in point, I have an audience-taping CDR of the 18/08/01 > Canterbury Sound Festival gig. When I get my hands on the official > release, I'll break the CDR into a thousand pieces, place the wreckage on > the scanner and post an image of it on my website for all to see.) > > So, while I don't think this is an immoral action, I don't think it's The > Right Thing To Do, either. > > I hope that wasn't shouty! And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album > seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... > > Cheers > > Steve > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:15:28 -0000, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > > >Hi guys, > > > >I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just > >to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > > >He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's > >anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to > >MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > >put you in touch with Sean. > > > > >If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > >mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > >copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > > > >So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for > >him!)? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Mar 6 03:20:08 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:20:08 -0000 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson CD Message-ID: Absolutely agree- just reviewed it for the forthcoming CDS prog catalogue and it is simply a sensational album- not a poor minute on the entire thing. The Tony Levin double CD is also sensational so make sure you check that out too!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Vacano" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:48 AM Subject: Re: OFF: New King Crimson CD > I think it might be their best album since 1974. > > Guido > > Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > > >Just picked up the new King Crimson CD. It's amazing!!! There are some > >incredible noisy spacey jams and wonderful mellow parts. Highly > >recommended. It's > >their best work in years!! > > > >Dan > > > > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 03:26:48 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:26:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: That's it. I'm going to shoot myself in the head with a small bore rifle now. How could I get that wrong?!! I've got the bl00dy albums - UK *AND* US versions. I went to NYC primarily to find a copy of Keep Your Hands Off... I'm so upset with myself now I'm going to go out and break my copy of "Beginnings" into a thousand pieces. How could I get that wrong? How could I get that wrong? SMASH! How could I get that wrong? BANG Cheers, Rich. > Jeff Thompson <_jt at COX.NET> writes: > >Andrew Apold wrote: > >> >I remember Slade's American hit. > >> Weren't they the ones that did "My oh my"? > > > >Yup, from "You Boyz Make Big Noize," the album following the > >one that included "Run Run Away." > > Actually it was on the _same_ album as "Run, Runaway". In the UK, it was > "The Amazing Kamikaze Syndrome", but in the US, "Cocky Rock Boys (Rule OK)" > was replaced with what became the title track, "Keep Your Hands Off My > Power Supply". This was one album that really showed how a record company > can hack up an album when it goes to the states. Side 2 of TAKS rocked, > but KYHOMPS rearranged the tracks, destroying the flow of one song into > another, and seemed like a real chop job in comparison. > > TAKS/KYHOMPS was followed in 1985 by "Rogues Gallery", and "You Boyz > Make Big Noize" in 1986. > > Richard Lockwood replied: > >Incidentally, the "You Boyz Make Big Noize" album was originally titled "The > >Amazing Kamekaze Syndrome", but had the name changed for reasons of taste in > >the USA... > "Keep..." that was the retitled one, not "You Boyz..." > > m@ > > +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ > | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | > | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| > +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 13:39:03 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:39:03 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: Keith said: > P.S. *Who* isn't/won't-ever-be back? At some point? I guess > the Beatles, and that's it. > And you can probably add the *Who* to that list. Sorry couldn't resist. Mark From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 6 04:34:09 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:34:09 +0100 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Steve suggests... > And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album > seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... Hmmm...you know, I made the public offer recently (which still holds) to pick up a Dojo WOTEOT CD that is still resting in a store just down the street from me. Of course, I also made the offer for the Griffin box set from that same store (which was quickly claimed), so that got more attention given that the Dojo one is a vinyl transfer and the Griffin from masters (and also included the collector's guide). So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 of those per British pound....so you do the math. Anybody? Grakkl (FAA) From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 06:37:31 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:37:31 +0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <200303060302.WAA29923@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Steve, When you smash your cdrs make sure you wear protective goggles [seriously]. As you knpw the cds break into very small shards like glass. I found this out when I smashed a Bros cd in 1991! Cheers Ben On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 03:02, you wrote: > I totally sympathise with these sentiments, and simultaneously feel that it > is totally the wrong way to go about things. There is huge demand for > WOTEOT to be made available on CD again - along with Quark, ASAM, PXR5, > Hawklords and whatever else is missing from the pantheon. That isn't going > to happen if people do things that are (technically) piractical and > illegal, however understandable that is. I'd also chip in with the > observation that copying official albums is not the same as audience taping > of live gigs. I've slightly more sympathy with the latter, but am quite > ready to accept the band's ban on that. > > *Of course*, any Hawkwind fan who's committed enough to belong to this list > is not going to be satisfied with MP3 copies, or a tape. They want the > real album, on an official release. I know that. You know that. But the > accountants who run major record companies (i.e. the only people who could > ensure these works get re-released) don't know that. They are bean > counters who will regard this kind of copying as loss of sales. And let's > face it, Hawkwind's back catalogue has to be their main commercial asset, > more so than future albums. > > (As a case in point, I have an audience-taping CDR of the 18/08/01 > Canterbury Sound Festival gig. When I get my hands on the official > release, I'll break the CDR into a thousand pieces, place the wreckage on > the scanner and post an image of it on my website for all to see.) > > So, while I don't think this is an immoral action, I don't think it's The > Right Thing To Do, either. > > I hope that wasn't shouty! And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album > seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... > > Cheers > > Steve > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:15:28 -0000, Richard Lockwood > > wrote: > >Hi guys, > > > >I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just > >to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > > >He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's > >anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to > >MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > >put you in touch with Sean. > > > > >If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > >mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > >copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > > > >So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for > >him!)? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 6 06:15:31 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:15:31 EDT Subject: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <000e01c2e3b8$3c784dc0$83d88351@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On 6 Mar 2003 at 8:13, Andrew Garibaldi wrote: > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as > Hawkwind, Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased > studio material are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. I'm no authority on HW, but in most cases, the band has little to do with the decision. I suspect that someone else 'owns' the material, and it's their call on whether to release it. I expect they think they can't make any money off it, so why bother? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 6 07:56:44 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 Subject: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9@bernard> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:21:44AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: => However, if I own the album on vinyl, and don't have a turntable any more, => I'd still want to be able to listen to it. => => Agreed, I'd rather buy it than have to "pirate" it, as you say, but if a => recording's no longer available, for no good reason... Actually, making a copy so you can listen to it is not pirating, so long as you own (and continue to own) the album. This falls under the (dangerously eroding) "Fair Use" provisions of the Copyright law. It is perfectly legal to make a copy of something you own so you can, say, listen to it in the car, or whilst jogging, or to make a safety backup in case the original becomes damaged. All those are perfectly legal, when made for personal use. What is not legal is to make copies for others that don't own legal copies of the material, or to retain the copies you make after you sell or give away the original (i.e., what your friend did). I personally don't think obtaining, say MP3, copies of albums necessarily diminishes demand for a reissue (and may in some cases stimulate it), but I do think it is perceived as doing so in the eyes of the record companies, which is probably the dominating factor. (I do also think it's a little unwise to advertise the availability of copies of official albums on a group that the band [or at least their business manager] reads...;) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 09:00:50 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:30:50 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I think that record companies don't particularly make decisions on releasing or not releasing an album based on the level of home duplicating (cdr) how can that be accuratly determined anyway. They base their future decisions on releasing back catalogue material based on past sales etc. And as Andy said its also something that is held back by legal dilemas with either managment or an ex band member. Personally I really can't understand how anyone could be satisfied with just a cdr given that the legit version is available in a store. People say - too expensive - got no money - plenty of money for booze and smokes tho - hehe that sort of thing..... ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Hi Steve, > > Quite agree. > > However, if I own the album on vinyl, and don't have a turntable any more, > I'd still want to be able to listen to it. > > Agreed, I'd rather buy it than have to "pirate" it, as you say, but if a > recording's no longer available, for no good reason... > > I think I'm agreeing and disagreeing with you simultaneously, as you did > with me. :-) > > It's a dilemma, frankly. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Youles" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:02 AM > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > I totally sympathise with these sentiments, and simultaneously feel that > it > > is totally the wrong way to go about things. There is huge demand for > > WOTEOT to be made available on CD again - along with Quark, ASAM, PXR5, > > Hawklords and whatever else is missing from the pantheon. That isn't > going > > to happen if people do things that are (technically) piractical and > > illegal, however understandable that is. I'd also chip in with the > > observation that copying official albums is not the same as audience > taping > > of live gigs. I've slightly more sympathy with the latter, but am quite > > ready to accept the band's ban on that. > > > > *Of course*, any Hawkwind fan who's committed enough to belong to this > list > > is not going to be satisfied with MP3 copies, or a tape. They want the > > real album, on an official release. I know that. You know that. But the > > accountants who run major record companies (i.e. the only people who could > > ensure these works get re-released) don't know that. They are bean > > counters who will regard this kind of copying as loss of sales. And let's > > face it, Hawkwind's back catalogue has to be their main commercial asset, > > more so than future albums. > > > > (As a case in point, I have an audience-taping CDR of the 18/08/01 > > Canterbury Sound Festival gig. When I get my hands on the official > > release, I'll break the CDR into a thousand pieces, place the wreckage on > > the scanner and post an image of it on my website for all to see.) > > > > So, while I don't think this is an immoral action, I don't think it's The > > Right Thing To Do, either. > > > > I hope that wasn't shouty! And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album > > seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:15:28 -0000, Richard Lockwood > > wrote: > > > > >Hi guys, > > > > > >I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. > Just > > >to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > > > > >He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if > there's > > >anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out > to > > >MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > > >put you in touch with Sean. > > > > > > > > >If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > > >mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > > >copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > > > > > > > >So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price > (for > > >him!)? > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Rich. > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 09:11:47 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:41:47 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: but what if he is only actually smashing his kids hanson cdR?? we would never know. hehehe ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Steve, > > When you smash your cdrs make sure you wear protective goggles [seriously]. As > you knpw the cds break into very small shards like glass. I found this out > when I smashed a Bros cd in 1991! > > Cheers > From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 6 08:49:54 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:49:54 -0500 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > On 6 Mar 2003 at 8:13, Andrew Garibaldi wrote: > > > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as > > Hawkwind, Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased > > studio material are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. > > I'm no authority on HW, but in most cases, the band has little to do with the decision. > I suspect that someone else 'owns' the material, and it's their call on whether to > release it. I expect they think they can't make any money off it, so why bother? Steve Pond went and released just about everything ICU ever did on one CDR. It think he said he was just trying to cover the cost of his CDR burner... From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 6 08:45:38 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:45:38 -0500 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > > I totally sympathise with these sentiments, and simultaneously feel that > it > > is totally the wrong way to go about things. There is huge demand for > > WOTEOT to be made available on CD again - along with Quark, ASAM, PXR5, > > Hawklords and whatever else is missing from the pantheon. That isn't > going > > to happen if people do things that are (technically) piractical and > > illegal, however understandable that is. I'd also chip in with the > > observation that copying official albums is not the same as audience > taping > > of live gigs. I've slightly more sympathy with the latter, but am quite > > ready to accept the band's ban on that. If nothing else, I've lost six hawk cds (and a number of others too) due to a theft of my car a couple years ago, but I had ripped mp3s of them (and several albums by other bands that were also stolen) on my work computer. So thanks to that I can still listen to them. . Incidentally because I keep most of them in vinyl cd carriers (makes for easier theft, I suppose) I still have the jewel cases with the backs (the inserts were in the carrier) as I keep those in a cabinet at home. I keep wondering if the thief might have left them if he'd seen it was hawkwind.... I have this image of him getting somewhere and trying to figure out what he has... who knows, there may be a hawk cult started somewhere in the ghetto.... From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 6 08:46:48 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:46:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: > That's it. I'm going to shoot myself in the head with a small bore rifle > now. Well, as this is trepenation, in a way, I guess that makes it on-topic again.... From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 09:54:08 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:54:08 +0300 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > key (or just plain band) members refuses to snaction the release, and it > only takes this to stop the release of any archive stuff. It must be > infuriating for both other group members and/or label owner, who Nik Turner blocking the re-release of Warrior remastered from master tapes? Alisa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 10:00:46 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:30:46 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: you oughta score it and sell it on ebay. but - ok if its still available I will have it. Maybe I can add it to my tradeable list or something :) 2 pounds is like nearly $6 AU - bargain I'll take two of em :)) ok one 'll do - let me know ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Steve suggests... > > > And forty quid for a Dojo version of the album > > seems like a reasonably good price to have attained... > > Hmmm...you know, I made the public offer recently (which > still holds) to pick up a Dojo WOTEOT CD that is still > resting in a store just down the street from me. Of course, > I also made the offer for the Griffin box set from that > same store (which was quickly claimed), so that got more > attention given that the Dojo one is a vinyl transfer and > the Griffin from masters (and also included the collector's > guide). > > So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly > 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 > of those per British pound....so you do the math. > > Anybody? > > Grakkl (FAA) > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 10:42:28 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:42:28 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Hey, Doug why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: "Doug Bates" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > all the HW groups over and over. > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > Please, quote or shut up. > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 10:48:56 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:48:56 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Do you always have to blame Nik Turner for Everything? > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > all the HW groups over and over. > > Let it go!!!!!!! > > > -- > Doug Bates > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 6 10:54:29 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:54:29 +0800 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: If there was any ex-members to hate, shouldn't it be Dave Anderson, for his constant rehashing of the same recordings, without the band getting anything out of it!!! William > Hey, Doug > > why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alisa" > To: "Doug Bates" > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > > all the HW groups over and over. > > > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > > > Please, quote or shut up. > > > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 6 10:59:32 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:59:32 +0100 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Yo! > Hey, Doug > > why to spam my mailbox and send me this reply to list > subject privately? Excuse me?! Why indeed to forward a comment obviously intended to be kept private to the entire list. Terrible faux pas, dontcha know?! Yeah, and what makes you think Nik is blocking the rerelease of anything in the backcatalog that includes him. Makes no sense....in many people's opinion (including mine), it's the best album ever made by HW. Plus, the rap on Nik is that he hasn't written a real song since Dying Seas, and so releasing it again would remind people he was actually once worth something. :) And if your comment was meant as a joke, please indicate so. As stupid as emoticons are, they at least help to deflect unintended offenses (or offences if you prefer). > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > > all the HW groups over and over. > > > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > > > Please, quote or shut up. Grakkl (FAA) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 11:09:07 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:39:07 +1030 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I think the question of hating ex members is not the question. Alisa only asked the question "was it nik who blocks warrior re release" btw - I have heard her say good things about nik - never any hate. even dave anderson needs lurve - even if some would like his head on a spike lol peace hawkfamily :) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > If there was any ex-members to hate, shouldn't it be Dave Anderson, for his > constant rehashing of the same recordings, without the band getting anything > out of it!!! > > William > > > Hey, Doug > > > > why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alisa" > > To: "Doug Bates" > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > > > all the HW groups over and over. > > > > > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > > > > > Please, quote or shut up. > > > > > > > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 11:11:06 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:11:06 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > If there was any ex-members to hate, shouldn't it be Dave Anderson, for his > constant rehashing of the same recordings, without the band getting anything > out of it!!! Well, Dave Anderson is a big friend and business partner of Nik Turner. Where do you think Anderson got all this Gaga stuff? :) Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 11:14:43 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:14:43 +0300 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > Excuse me?! > Why indeed to forward a comment obviously intended to be kept > private to the entire list. Terrible faux pas, dontcha know?! Because it was the HW list subject going and if I wanted to discuss it privately I wouldn't write anything to the list. So why to reply to me privately? He was afraid to show to all how clever and polite he is? bye Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 10:56:40 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:56:40 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: And below is what Doug had to answer... Nik has wonderful fans... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: "'Alisa'" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: RE: HW: WOTEOT > Fuck off > > -- > Doug Bates > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alisa [mailto:coral at aport.ru] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:39 AM > To: Doug Bates > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > all the HW groups over and over. > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > Please, quote or shut up. > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 6 11:23:37 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:23:37 +0100 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Alisa responds to my comment... > > Excuse me?! > > Why indeed to forward a comment obviously intended to be kept > > private to the entire list. Terrible faux pas, dontcha know?! > > Because it was the HW list subject going and if I wanted to discuss it > privately I wouldn't write anything to the list. So why to reply to me > privately? He was afraid to show to all how clever and polite he is? It doesn't matter to me *what* reason he had for wanting his comment/ suggestion to be kept private. I respect people's right to privacy for that reason alone. Unless you're a mindreader, you can't really say for sure why someone else chooses to do what they do. *Most* internet discussion is done without any of the participants knowing each other personally. (And so boc-l is a little different, since many of us do silly things like fly across oceans to see gigs and end up 'accidentally' bumping into a number of our online penpals). But anyway, I still think it's best in this case to always respond privately when someone does likewise as 'first contact.' Common courtesy I woulda thought. And you're welcome not to write anything to the list. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Yes, that's a joke! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 6 11:29:16 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:29:16 +0800 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > I think the question of hating ex members is not the question. Alisa only > asked the question "was it nik who blocks warrior re release" > I'd say some of Nik's greatest work is on the Warrior... album, so I would be very surprized if he was rtying to block it! From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 11:53:18 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:53:18 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > I'd say some of Nik's greatest work is on the Warrior... album, so I would > be very surprized if he was rtying to block it! I didn't say he is really blocking it. But if it is the case - the answer is money. If there is not very special contract for re-release there will be only copyright money. No usual royalties to all who played. So he will get money only for one song as an author of Dying Seas, right? And who will have most of the money then? Right, Dave Brock. I think it could be enough reason for Nik. cheers, Alisa From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 6 11:51:35 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:51:35 +0100 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: CBS fails the math exam... > you oughta score it and sell it on ebay. Why? I don't embrace 'opportunistic capitalism'... what do you think I am, American? :) (Now, if I'd found a really large Chee-to in my bag of munchies, it'd be entirely different story!) Really, not to sound superior and all "idealistic" and everything...but I am just fine offering such things (as I've been doing for quite some number of years) at 'cost.' I'll continue to go to every little second-hand CD shop everywhere I travel from now until the cows come home, whether or not I find bargain discs (that I already own)...the ones I find that I *don't* already own are ok too, and in fact the whole point! So anyway, you failed miserably the math, so you aren't eligible to receive it until you get it right....and then maybe you won't want it then either. > but - ok if its still available I > will have it. Maybe I can add it to my tradeable list > or something :) 2 pounds is like nearly $6 AU - bargain > > I'll take two of em :)) ok one 'll do - let me know Here it is again...c'mon, it's not that hard (BTW, the CHF-UKP exchange is about 2.15...I was close.) > > So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly > > 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 > > of those per British pound....so you do the math. Grakkl (FAA) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Mar 6 11:58:44 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:58:44 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Why do you hate Nik so much? What did he ever do to you? This is on list too. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > Hey, Doug > > why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alisa" > To: "Doug Bates" > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > > all the HW groups over and over. > > > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > > > Please, quote or shut up. > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Mar 6 12:02:00 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Nik fans are the best fans. They are the spirit of Hawkwind!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > And below is what Doug had to answer... > > Nik has wonderful fans... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Bates" > To: "'Alisa'" > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: RE: HW: WOTEOT > > > > Fuck off > > > > -- > > Doug Bates > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alisa [mailto:coral at aport.ru] > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:39 AM > > To: Doug Bates > > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > > > all the HW groups over and over. > > > > Where I said I hate him?.. > > > > Please, quote or shut up. > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 12:02:25 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:32:25 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I see. I didn't read it pwoperly. its ok I've already got one :) I'll never be a rocket scientist will I? LOL ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > CBS fails the math exam... > > > you oughta score it and sell it on ebay. > > Why? I don't embrace 'opportunistic capitalism'... > what do you think I am, American? :) > > (Now, if I'd found a really large Chee-to in my > bag of munchies, it'd be entirely different story!) > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 6 12:11:18 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:11:18 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <000701c2e3f8$fac51610$bffd2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 06:56:40PM +0300, Alisa wrote: => And below is what Doug had to answer... [[Doug's private answer omitted.]] Don't you know it's extremely bad form to post private e-mail to public lists? If you must do it, you should seek permission from the author first. If you have a problem with what someone sends you, take it up with the person or with his or her ISP if it becomes persistent. Please don't air your dirty laundry here. Cheers, Paul. NP: Motorhead, "No Class" e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 12:13:56 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:13:56 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour Dates Message-ID: Hi all, First tour dates for May: May 18th Cambridge Junction May 25th London Astoria May 26th Bristol Academy May 27th Birmingham Academy More dates will follow soon. These will all appear on Mission Control as soon as Rik gets back from foreign parts. Provisionally, Hawkfest 2003 will take place on August 8th-10th in the north west of England. Colin Business Manager - Hawkwind From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 12:16:12 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:16:12 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Tour Dates In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:13:56 -0500 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > First tour dates for May: > > May 18th Cambridge Junction > May 25th London Astoria > May 26th Bristol Academy > May 27th Birmingham Academy > > More dates will follow soon. Let's hope for some Scottish ones... > Provisionally, Hawkfest 2003 will take place on August 8th-10th in the > north west of England. Lake District? That'd certainly be very nice. FoFP From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Mar 6 12:16:33 2003 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:16:33 -0600 Subject: OFF:RE: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: >Because it was the HW list subject going and if I wanted to discuss it >privately I wouldn't write anything to the list. So why to reply to me >privately? He was afraid to show to all how clever and polite he is? OK, this is like arguing with a child, and I knew that before my first email. So I guess I deserve this. Keith explained it to you, but you didn't get it, and most likely my explanation would have the same result. If you don't understand the question, the answer won't make sense either. Alisa, please respond in one email if you must, sometimes posting over and over is like standing in quicksand. Sorry to everyone who had to read these off-topic emails. The last thing I wanted was the Nik vs Dave thread again. -- Doug Bates From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Mar 6 12:16:57 2003 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:16:57 -0600 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: >Well, Dave Anderson is a big friend and business partner of Nik Turner. >Where do you think Anderson got all this Gaga stuff? :) >Alisa I think I know the answer to your question, but you probably know more about Hawkwind than me, so please tell us. HOW/WHERE DID DAVE ANDERSON GET THE TAPES? -- Doug Bates From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Mar 6 13:56:31 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:56:31 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as Hawkwind, > Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased studio material > are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. We are, at this very moment, working on it! From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 14:22:38 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:22:38 +0000 Subject: Yuri Gagarin (was HW: WOTEOT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > HOW/WHERE DID DAVE ANDERSON GET THE TAPES? Not taking sides or nuffink but, for info, the answer is here - column 1, penultimate paragraph... http://www.starfarer.net/deadfred.html AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 14:11:03 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:41:03 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: wicked! :) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Garibaldi" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as Hawkwind, > > Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased studio material > > are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. > > > > We are, at this very moment, working on it! > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Mar 6 15:37:50 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:37:50 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Blimey - I've just got in to see all THIS!!!!!!!! Hang on a minute - all Alissa did was ask a question as to whether or not in my original reply I was referring to Nik. The answer is 'No' - my reply was not referring to Nik or any member of Hawkwind - that answer's Alissa's question. So, can we all be friends again - after all we are all entitled to our opinions, however wrong history may prove them to be - and move on. Thank you - sorry Alissa Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > I'd say some of Nik's greatest work is on the Warrior... album, so I would > > be very surprized if he was rtying to block it! > > I didn't say he is really blocking it. But if it is the case - the answer is > money. > If there is not very special contract for re-release there will be only > copyright money. No usual royalties to all who played. So he will get money > only for one song as an author of Dying Seas, right? > And who will have most of the money then? Right, Dave Brock. > > I think it could be enough reason for Nik. > > cheers, > Alisa From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Mar 6 15:41:00 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:41:00 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Ah haaaaaaaaa - you see - I was right!! Just kidding!!! Thanks Captain - the world waits with baited breath. Nice to know though. The future's looking brighter - where are my shades! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Garibaldi" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as Hawkwind, > > Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased studio material > > are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. > > > > We are, at this very moment, working on it! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 11:59:59 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:59:59 GMT Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:54:29 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > If there was any ex-members to hate, shouldn't it be Dave Anderson, > for his constant rehashing of the same recordings, without the band > getting anything out of it!!! Nah. If we're going to hate anyone it shoud be William Jefferson Satan. Come on folks. This is a waste of electrons. FoFP From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:13:42 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkperson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:13:42 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: I think you'll find that Dave follows a team much further north than Fulham :-) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:23:41 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:23:41 -0000 Subject: OFF: Maths Message-ID: "Maths", or "mathematics" please. We're not American here... Yes, that's my mantle of pedantry over there - if you could pass it to me on my way out... :-) Cheers, Rich. > > So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly > 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 > of those per British pound....so you do the math. > > Anybody? > > Grakkl (FAA) > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:24:28 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:24:28 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > I found this out > when I smashed a Bros cd in 1991! > You're only human. Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:27:42 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:27:42 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Exactly my point Ted. However, we, "the fans" want to hear the music, so if it's not commercially available and a mate has it on MP3, why not grab a copy? We want to hear the music! Cheers, Rich. > On 6 Mar 2003 at 8:13, Andrew Garibaldi wrote: > > > Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as > > Hawkwind, Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased > > studio material are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. > > I'm no authority on HW, but in most cases, the band has little to do with the decision. > I suspect that someone else 'owns' the material, and it's their call on whether to > release it. I expect they think they can't make any money off it, so why bother? > > theo > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:33:46 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:33:46 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Well Paul, I agree totally with you. But if I can walk into (for example) Virgin Megastore, and say "Do you have 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' by Hawkwind please?" and have them say "Sorry, it's deleted", then it's the record company's own fault for not supplying their public's needs. All I'm saying is that I can get you the WotEoT MP3s if you want them. Cheers, Rich. > > (I do also think it's a little unwise to advertise the availability of > copies of official albums on a group that the band [or at least their > business manager] reads...;) > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 17:33:55 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:03:55 +1030 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: :) whos the bookie around here? any bets on who it may be? hehe --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkperson To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game > I think you'll find that Dave follows a team much further north than > Fulham :-) From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 17:45:46 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkperson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:45:46 -0500 Subject: H.W - hawkwind and the beautiful game Message-ID: The clues are in the last lot of radio interviews that he did in December From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 6 18:00:38 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:00:38 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: As others have said, forwarding private mail to a public forum without the original author's consent is at best, extremely rude, at worst, an illegal invasion of privacy (if someone is harassing you with threatening/offensive email, you should contact their ISP). But if you insist on making your reply public ... On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:42:28 +0300, Alisa wrote: >Hey, Doug > >why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alisa" >To: "Doug Bates" >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM >Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > >> > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on >> > all the HW groups over and over. >> >> Where I said I hate him?.. >> >> Please, quote or shut up. this is too easy (from the searchable archives at http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=boc-l ) ... http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0209B&L=BOC-L&P=R1109 "Nik can't sing, can't play sax" http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0208D&L=BOC-L&P=R3174 "gigs of Hawkwind enemy - Nik Turner" http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0208D&L=BOC-L&P=R2863 "When you all, Nik's raging fans, stop this nonsence?" "Nik's can't play, can't copmpose anymore." http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R5186 "this crappy guy Nik Turner" http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0109A&L=BOC-L&P=R181 "But there Nik was there who spoiled everything." http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0207C&L=BOC-L&P=R2814 "I don't think that someone can be as bad as recent Nik Turner and Co. shows." http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110D&L=BOC-L&P=R12198 "Nik can't sing since early 80's..." http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R7309 "And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim themselves 'honest people'." "Maybe I should sign off this list..." NOBODY else on this list (although I suppose there are a couple of close runner-ups on this topic) has spewed out so many negative and unmitigated statements about ANY member of Hawkwind (not even Dave Anderson!). Nor blanket condemnations of any member's fans. Where does all that hate come from?!?!? Please send reasoned responses to the list, and flames to private email. Thanks, -Doug (not Bates - he's the polite one, not me) jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Mar 6 18:10:11 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:40:11 +1030 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: what a bunch of pedantic bullshit. whoopty fuckin doo so you actually went thru the archives to locate this..... jeez --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > As others have said, forwarding private mail to a public forum without the > original author's consent is at best, extremely rude, at worst, an illegal > invasion of privacy (if someone is harassing you with threatening/offensive > email, you should contact their ISP). But if you insist on making your > reply public ... > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:42:28 +0300, Alisa wrote: > >Hey, Doug > > > >why to spam my maildbox and send me this reply to list subject privately? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alisa" > >To: "Doug Bates" > >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:39 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > >> > Give it a rest everyone knows you HATE Nik, you've said it on > >> > all the HW groups over and over. > >> > >> Where I said I hate him?.. > >> > >> Please, quote or shut up. > > this is too easy (from the searchable archives at > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=boc-l ) ... > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0209B&L=BOC-L&P=R1109 > "Nik can't sing, can't play sax" > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0208D&L=BOC-L&P=R3174 > "gigs of Hawkwind enemy - Nik Turner" > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0208D&L=BOC-L&P=R2863 > "When you all, Nik's raging fans, stop this nonsence?" > "Nik's can't play, can't copmpose anymore." > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R5186 > "this crappy guy Nik Turner" > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0109A&L=BOC-L&P=R181 > "But there Nik was there who spoiled everything." > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0207C&L=BOC-L&P=R2814 > "I don't think that someone can be as bad as recent Nik Turner and Co. > shows." > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110D&L=BOC-L&P=R12198 > "Nik can't sing since early 80's..." > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R7309 > "And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim > themselves 'honest people'." > "Maybe I should sign off this list..." > > NOBODY else on this list (although I suppose there are a couple of close > runner-ups on this topic) has spewed out so many negative and unmitigated > statements about ANY member of Hawkwind (not even Dave Anderson!). Nor > blanket condemnations of any member's fans. > > Where does all that hate come from?!?!? > > Please send reasoned responses to the list, and flames to private email. > > Thanks, > > -Doug (not Bates - he's the polite one, not me) > jasret at mindspring.com > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Mar 6 18:47:16 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:47:16 +0300 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Good work, Doug! Where is the hatred here? Did I say a word "hate" once? All these you quotes are just the facts of the reality. But you omitted here that I also often said that my fave song is D-Rider, that I like his Sphynx album his ICU work, his 90' recordings. that he plays wonderful flute and should play it more instead of sax. Be more careful with that, Doug, do not take out the words without giving the background. cheers, Alisa > As others have said, forwarding private mail to a public forum without the > original author's consent is at best, extremely rude, at worst, an illegal > invasion of privacy (if someone is harassing you with threatening/offensive > email, you should contact their ISP). But if you insist on making your > reply public ... From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 12:04:14 2003 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:04:14 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Yeah, and what makes you think Nik is blocking the > rerelease of anything in the backcatalog that includes him. > Makes no sense....in many people's opinion (including mine), > it's the best album ever made by HW. In any case, I thought it was reported here a while back that the reason Warrior hasn't been re-released is because the master tapes have been lost. Jas. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 13:41:38 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:41:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Yardbirds are back (??) Message-ID: Theo said: > The Stones, but that doesn't stop them from playing gigs... > There's an example of a band that doesn't count for anything anymore even tho' they still have 3 of the key original members. Get out there and see a new young band instead. 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>From: Richard Lockwood >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:33:46 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa08.msn.com ([207.46.181.97]) by >mc4-f24.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar >2003 14:38:46 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa08.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:33:32 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id RAA07517;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:30:04 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 81856 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, >6 Mar 2003 17:30:03 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >RAA07510 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:30:03 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com > [194.73.73.147]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) > with ESMTP id RAA18130 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > 17:29:54 -0500 (EST) >Received: from host217-35-65-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.65.100] > helo=bernard) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 >#23) id 18r3sA-00069J-00 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, 06 Mar >2003 22:29:54 +0000 >X-Message-Info: yilqo4+6kc64AXpUCzRAW30W84h6gtv8 >X-MSN-Trace: {7F44C372-6160-425D-9C97-5FF9DE1AC3DE} >References: <200303060302.WAA29923 at listserv.spc.edu> ><062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9 at bernard> ><20030306125644.GB75567 at gromit.dlib.vt.edu> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Message-ID: <072901c2e430$73845250$644123d9 at bernard> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 22:33:32.0226 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6ADD8220:01C2E430] > >Well Paul, > >I agree totally with you. But if I can walk into (for example) Virgin >Megastore, and say "Do you have 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' by Hawkwind >please?" and have them say "Sorry, it's deleted", then it's the record >company's own fault for not supplying their public's needs. > >All I'm saying is that I can get you the WotEoT MP3s if you want them. > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > > > > (I do also think it's a little unwise to advertise the availability of > > copies of official albums on a group that the band [or at least their > > business manager] reads...;) > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Thu Mar 6 20:42:36 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:42:36 +0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Anyway the first verse of Assault and Battery from Warrior is a total rip from a hundred year old poem! >From: Paul Mather >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa42.msn.com ([207.46.181.14]) by >mc6-f11.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar >2003 05:04:32 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa42.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 05:02:59 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id HAA02718;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:17 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 81118 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, >6 Mar 2003 07:57:16 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >HAA02711 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:16 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >HAA28943 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:14 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (localhost.dlib.vt.edu [127.0.0.1]) by > gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h26CuilY075794 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) > (envelope-from paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu) >Received: (from paul at localhost) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu >(8.12.8/8.12.7/Submit) id h26Cui5H075793 for >BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) >X-Message-Info: yilqo4+6kc64AXpUCzRAW30W84h6gtv8 >X-MSN-Trace: {04F2A236-93CA-4B68-9CCC-D9CEFC4F2370} >References: <200303060302.WAA29923 at listserv.spc.edu> ><062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9 at bernard> >X-No-Archive: yes >X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.8-PRERELEASE >User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i >Message-ID: <20030306125644.GB75567 at gromit.dlib.vt.edu> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >In-Reply-To: <062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9 at bernard> >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 13:02:59.0361 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B67CD910:01C2E3E0] > >On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:21:44AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >=> However, if I own the album on vinyl, and don't have a turntable any >more, >=> I'd still want to be able to listen to it. >=> >=> Agreed, I'd rather buy it than have to "pirate" it, as you say, but if a >=> recording's no longer available, for no good reason... > >Actually, making a copy so you can listen to it is not pirating, so >long as you own (and continue to own) the album. This falls under the >(dangerously eroding) "Fair Use" provisions of the Copyright law. It >is perfectly legal to make a copy of something you own so you can, >say, listen to it in the car, or whilst jogging, or to make a safety >backup in case the original becomes damaged. All those are perfectly >legal, when made for personal use. > >What is not legal is to make copies for others that don't own legal >copies of the material, or to retain the copies you make after you >sell or give away the original (i.e., what your friend did). > >I personally don't think obtaining, say MP3, copies of albums >necessarily diminishes demand for a reissue (and may in some cases >stimulate it), but I do think it is perceived as doing so in the eyes >of the record companies, which is probably the dominating factor. > >(I do also think it's a little unwise to advertise the availability of >copies of official albums on a group that the band [or at least their >business manager] reads...;) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 6 21:20:25 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:20:25 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:47:16 +0300, Alisa wrote: >Good work, Doug! Just a couple minutes in the archives ... the list archives are an absolutely INVALUABLE resource. I use them on (at least) a weekly basis, and encourage all listmembers to do the same (you can probably find the answers to many of your questions about Hawkwind and related subjects there). >Where is the hatred here? Did I say a word "hate" once? It's not necessary to use the word to express the sentiment. I wouldn't say things like that about somebody I didn't hate! I might say, "I don't like this musician's playing", but I would NEVER say, "this musician can't play," unless I detested the individual. >All these you quotes are just the facts of the reality. They are *opinions*, not facts. That is a *very* important distinction to recognize in discussion forums like this one. >But you omitted here that I also often said that my fave song is D-Rider, >that I like his Sphynx album his ICU work, his 90' recordings. that he >plays wonderful flute and should play it more instead of sax. Yes, you're absolutely correct about these. I should not have said "unmitigated", since you have, indeed, made mitigating statements such as those. But if you like his flute playing, then it seems clear to me that the statement, "he cannot play" is false (which doesn't really matter, since the statement is an opinion, not a fact). >Be more careful with that, Doug, do not take out the words without giving >the background. I did give the background - anyone who wanted to view the full context could follow the links in my message to your original posts. However, I believe that most all of the statements I quoted are completely unambiguous, and their meaning would certainly not be changed by viewing the context that they were originally stated in. Thanks for the reasoned reply, it is greatly appreciated. If you want to discuss this further, that's fine, but I WILL take it to private email in that case. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 6 21:42:51 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Doug typing merrily away stated: > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. Bill From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Thu Mar 6 22:01:45 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:01:45 +0000 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT REMOVE" covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live and earth to nuetral >From: Bill & Cynthia >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar >2003 18:55:20 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa03.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id VAA24992 > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 >(EST) >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by mail.iinet.net.au >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Mar 6 22:14:53 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:14:53 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: I have a rather naive question. Somebody said earlier here that there is great demand for these albums. Realistically, how many WOTEOT could be sold if it was rereleased? 1,000, or 10,000 copies? It might seem in great demand to some of the people on this list, but is it really?. I wonder (perhaps someone here knows) how many each of the EMI remasters were sold. Those all eventually sold out I imagine, but how many were there? How many Distant Horizons and In Your Area were sold? I wonder how many of the 25 Years on Box Set were made.I know that the Metal Shield sets said that only 500 were made and it took a long time to sell all of those. I hope to see reissues of the back catalogue, that would be great, but more importantly, a new HW CD to buy. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Bill & Cynthia Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:43 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Doug typing merrily away stated: > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 6 22:21:18 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:21:18 +0800 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek It is for me to weep It is for me to weep Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gartside" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT REMOVE" > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live and > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 > >-0500 (EST) > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id VAA24992 > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > >(EST) > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by mail.iinet.net.au > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > >Bill > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 6 23:54:36 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:54:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: > I have a rather naive question. Somebody said earlier here that there is > great demand for these albums. Realistically, how many WOTEOT could be sold > if it was rereleased? 1,000, or 10,000 copies? It might seem in great demand > to some of the people on this list, but is it really?. Good point. Even when I already have the albums, I always look for them in record stores and like to rearrange the display to put the hawks in front of whoever else is in the "H" section. I wonder if this is a common habit, and if so perhaps their deletion might be a result of music stores or pressure from other artists alphabetically close to them (man, the number of Ritchie Havens albums I've moved to the next row to get them out of the hawks way....). And for the ones I do have, it does irk me when I don't see them there. I'll go but the store for not having them (this was before they were deleted. If they got them I'd tell them I already had them, I just wanted to make sure someone else could get them. Once in awhile (not that often) I might feel bad enough to pick it up as a gift. But I was worried if I did they might not reorder it again.... Nowadays, no luck at all.... From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Mar 7 01:29:19 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:29:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour Dates Message-ID: Hello Colin, Any chance of continental dates? greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Hawkwind Tour Dates > Hi all, > > First tour dates for May: > > May 18th Cambridge Junction > May 25th London Astoria > May 26th Bristol Academy > May 27th Birmingham Academy > > More dates will follow soon. These will all appear on Mission Control as > soon as Rik gets back from foreign parts. > > Provisionally, Hawkfest 2003 will take place on August 8th-10th in the > north west of England. > > Colin > Business Manager - Hawkwind > From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Mar 7 03:21:37 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:21:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Prog Map Message-ID: For the genre-challenged among us, this is a very cool piece of work: http://www.e-prog.net/images/progmap.gif From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Mar 7 04:33:39 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:03:39 +1030 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: So - everything is a "rip" from something. "Theres you can do that can't be done" (or hasn't been done before) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gartside" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > Anyway the first verse of Assault and Battery from Warrior is a total rip > from a hundred year old poem! > > > > > > > >From: Paul Mather > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from cpimssmtpa42.msn.com ([207.46.181.14]) by > >mc6-f11.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar > >2003 05:04:32 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa42.msn.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 05:02:59 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > >ESMTP id HAA02718;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:17 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > >release 1.8d) with spool id 81118 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, > >6 Mar 2003 07:57:16 -0500 > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > >HAA02711 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:16 > >-0500 (EST) > >Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > >HAA28943 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:57:14 > >-0500 (EST) > >Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (localhost.dlib.vt.edu [127.0.0.1]) by > > gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h26CuilY075794 > > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) > > (envelope-from paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu) > >Received: (from paul at localhost) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >(8.12.8/8.12.7/Submit) id h26Cui5H075793 for > >BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) > >X-Message-Info: yilqo4+6kc64AXpUCzRAW30W84h6gtv8 > >X-MSN-Trace: {04F2A236-93CA-4B68-9CCC-D9CEFC4F2370} > >References: <200303060302.WAA29923 at listserv.spc.edu> > ><062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9 at bernard> > >X-No-Archive: yes > >X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.8-PRERELEASE > >User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i > >Message-ID: <20030306125644.GB75567 at gromit.dlib.vt.edu> > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >In-Reply-To: <062f01c2e3b9$6c5eeb10$644123d9 at bernard> > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 13:02:59.0361 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[B67CD910:01C2E3E0] > > > >On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:21:44AM -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > >=> However, if I own the album on vinyl, and don't have a turntable any > >more, > >=> I'd still want to be able to listen to it. > >=> > >=> Agreed, I'd rather buy it than have to "pirate" it, as you say, but if a > >=> recording's no longer available, for no good reason... > > > >Actually, making a copy so you can listen to it is not pirating, so > >long as you own (and continue to own) the album. This falls under the > >(dangerously eroding) "Fair Use" provisions of the Copyright law. It > >is perfectly legal to make a copy of something you own so you can, > >say, listen to it in the car, or whilst jogging, or to make a safety > >backup in case the original becomes damaged. All those are perfectly > >legal, when made for personal use. > > > >What is not legal is to make copies for others that don't own legal > >copies of the material, or to retain the copies you make after you > >sell or give away the original (i.e., what your friend did). > > > >I personally don't think obtaining, say MP3, copies of albums > >necessarily diminishes demand for a reissue (and may in some cases > >stimulate it), but I do think it is perceived as doing so in the eyes > >of the record companies, which is probably the dominating factor. > > > >(I do also think it's a little unwise to advertise the availability of > >copies of official albums on a group that the band [or at least their > >business manager] reads...;) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Mar 7 04:33:33 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:33:33 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I only need 25 years on. If they were remastered with some extra goodies, like the EMI reissues, I'd buy them. How many fans already have most of these anyway. How great is the demand? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > It is for me to weep > It is for me to weep > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Gartside" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT REMOVE" > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > and > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > Thu, > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) > by > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 > > >-0500 (EST) > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > VAA24992 > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > >(EST) > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by mail.iinet.net.au > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Mar 7 04:37:30 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:07:30 +1030 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I scored a new PXR5 just recently.... only ASAM and h'lords 25 years to go (and weirds 1 to 5) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > It is for me to weep > It is for me to weep > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Gartside" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT REMOVE" > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > and > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 Mar > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > Thu, > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) > by > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 > > >-0500 (EST) > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > VAA24992 > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > >(EST) > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by mail.iinet.net.au > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint and > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others delisted - > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Mar 7 04:44:45 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:14:45 +1030 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: I would buy an extra copy of EVERYTHING it it was re-issued as I try to do now as I learn of its re-issue. Some albums I would buy several copies just in case one gets buggered and also cause Im fuggin ma-a-a-a-ad :) peace and love and all those nice things ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > I only need 25 years on. If they were remastered with some extra goodies, > like the EMI reissues, I'd buy them. How many fans already have most of > these anyway. How great is the demand? Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > > > It is for me to weep > > It is for me to weep > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Gartside" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT > REMOVE" > > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > > and > > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 > Mar > > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > > Thu, > > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu > [192.107.46.158]) > > by > > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > 21:51:15 > > > >-0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) > by > > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > > VAA24992 > > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > > >(EST) > > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by > mail.iinet.net.au > > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint > and > > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others > delisted - > > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 7 04:55:21 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:55:21 +0800 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Oh yes, I need the Weird also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > I scored a new PXR5 just recently.... only ASAM and h'lords 25 years to go > (and weirds 1 to 5) > > ----------------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > http://www.alien-dream.com > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > > > It is for me to weep > > It is for me to weep > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Gartside" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT > REMOVE" > > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > > and > > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 > Mar > > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > > Thu, > > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu > [192.107.46.158]) > > by > > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > 21:51:15 > > > >-0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) > by > > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > > VAA24992 > > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > > >(EST) > > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by > mail.iinet.net.au > > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint > and > > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others > delisted - > > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > From ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM Fri Mar 7 05:05:43 2003 From: ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM (Chris Purdon) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:05:43 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Hawkwind should take a leaf out of Deep Purple's book: Simon Robinson at Purple Records has a fabulous back catalogue of well-produced re-issues and offshoot bands. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cpt Blue Skin To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT I would buy an extra copy of EVERYTHING it it was re-issued as I try to do now as I learn of its re-issue. Some albums I would buy several copies just in case one gets buggered and also cause Im fuggin ma-a-a-a-ad :) peace and love and all those nice things ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > I only need 25 years on. If they were remastered with some extra goodies, > like the EMI reissues, I'd buy them. How many fans already have most of > these anyway. How great is the demand? Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > > > It is for me to weep > > It is for me to weep > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Gartside" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT > REMOVE" > > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > > and > > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 > Mar > > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > > Thu, > > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu > [192.107.46.158]) > > by > > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > 21:51:15 > > > >-0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) > by > > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > > VAA24992 > > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > > >(EST) > > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by > mail.iinet.net.au > > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint > and > > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others > delisted - > > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > > From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 7 06:38:25 2003 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:38:25 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 6 Mar 2003 to 7 Mar 2003 (#2003-78) WOTEOT flames Message-ID: re the Nik-Hate-Flame situation: "Please send reasoned responses to the list, and flames to private email." abosluitely- and the other aspect of the repetition and anlaity of looking up and quoting the minutiae of past postings it is that it bores the crap out of everyone else and fills our inbxes with shit, so "pleae shut the f--- up" would be my only addition to the debate dave From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 7 06:57:15 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:57:15 +0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 6 Mar 2003 to 7 Mar 2003 (#2003-78) WOTEOT flames Message-ID: What frustrates me are those ppl who seem to know the ones they are talking about personally, & blame them for certain things, when they do not or could not know all the facts! William > re the Nik-Hate-Flame situation: "Please send reasoned responses to the > list, and flames to private email." > > abosluitely- and the other aspect of the repetition and anlaity of looking > up and quoting the minutiae of past postings it is that it bores the crap > out of everyone else and fills our inbxes with shit, so "pleae shut the f--- > up" would be my only addition to the debate > > dave > > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Mar 7 09:58:26 2003 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:58:26 -0600 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: >and like to rearrange the display to put the hawks in front of whoever else >is in the "H" section. >I wonder if this is a common habit, and if so perhaps their deletion might >be a result of music stores or pressure from other artists alphabetically >close to them (man, the number of Ritchie Havens albums I've moved to the >next row to get them out of the hawks way....). Love it, yes I've done the same thing. It seems like its Sophie (?) Hawkins and Screaming Jay Hawkins for me tho, although I've stared placing Screamin after the Hawks because he's so cool. If an out of stock HW bin is noticed I ask the clerk about them... sick really. -- Doug Bates From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Mar 6 23:46:46 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:46:46 EST Subject: OFF:King Crimson Message-ID: Saw KC last night in NYC they played the whole new album. Heaviest Ive seen them in 10yrs. bill From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 7 09:08:27 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:08:27 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C_in_UK?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess nobody on the east side of the pond is psyched that B?C is playing a bunch of gigs in the UK later this year? Too bad, as they've been adding some stuff to the set that hasn't been played in years, if ever. And if the quality of recent gigs is any indication, you'll be in for some great shows... theo From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Fri Mar 7 11:39:36 2003 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:39:36 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20B=D6C=20in=20UK?= Message-ID: >I guess nobody on the east side of the pond is psyched that BVC is playing a bunch of gigs in the UK later this year? NOT TRUE!! Remember us Brits are all quiet, reserved people with stiff upper lips, and haven't responded quite as vocally to the news yet ! ; >) We are just as keen to see them as you guys - probably more so since we get less chances. It's also looking hopeful for a possible UK visit from the Brain Surgeons this year - but no dates yet. The set list from Las Vegas posted recently (was that from you Theo?) held a good few surprises - esp. I Love the Night, Tattoo Vampire and Divine Wind. I have never seen those songs played since I first saw BOC here in 1978 (25th anniversary of that soon!). I've seen them at least once on every UK tour (13 times so far) since then, including an SWU show just before Albert left. The 90s were a low period, since we only got 3 gigs, all in London (1992, 1995 and 1998). The 2002 tour was a good one with some surprises in the set list (I caught 2 of those shows). I will catch at least 2, maybe 3 or 4, dates on the June 2003 UK tour. Looking forward to June.....! Hope you guys over there keep us posted with some set lists! Martin >>> tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU 03/07/03 02:08pm >>> I guess nobody on the east side of the pond is psyched that BVC is playing a bunch of gigs in the UK later this year? Too bad, as they've been adding some stuff to the set that hasn't been played in years, if ever. And if the quality of recent gigs is any indication, you'll be in for some great shows... theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Mar 7 14:11:17 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:11:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Adventures in "H Misc" In-Reply-To: <004301c2e465$cac98730$0202a8c0@aapold>; from andrew@SILVERWATER.ORG on Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 11:54:36PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 11:54:36PM -0500, Andrew Apold wrote: > I always look > for [HW] in record stores and like to rearrange the display to > put the hawks in front of whoever else is in the "H" section. > I wonder if this is a common habit, Never occurred to me. I confess, I've actually been known to do the opposite -- misfile something so it won't get scooped before I've had a chance to check whether I already have it. When I first discovered HW (1977), one of the things I kept seeing in "H Misc" was Annie Haslam's "Annie in Wonderland". The number of $4.99 copies of that I passed up! Cool Alice-esque cover, but I'd never heard of her, and I was a man on a mission... Then, in the mid-80s, someone dragged me out to a Renaissance concert. Of course by that time, "Wonderland" was long gone from the delete bins. I searched and searched, and finally ended up paying a fortune for a copy. And hated it! *sigh* I fared rather better with the Alex Harvey Band. I once mentioned their live album rather dismissively to a friend, as in "Alex who?" He surprised me by saying it was good and I should check it out. A couple of years ago I finally got around to it, having tripped across yet another copy (now on CD). In fact it's not bad. It'll never be a fave, but I throw it on occasionally. And don't even talk to me about Hanson! Interesting that the second letter of all of those is "a". I guess I can filter out the rest without even consciously noticing them, but the "Ha..." pattern I have to look at a bit more closely :-) So ... can anyone comment on the Keef Hartley Band's "Battle of North West Six"? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Mar 7 14:53:16 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:53:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: Adventures in "H Misc" Message-ID: My mission to the "H" album section in te 80's always consisted of: Hawkwind Roy Harper Hillage and yes, even the Sensational Alex Harvey Band...don't recall the name of it (have to check a discography somewhere), but I remember what I beleive was his last album - perhaps 1979 or, so was quite good..been trying to locate it. Nowadays, do most CD shopping on-line From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Fri Mar 7 16:03:48 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:03:48 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:______B=D6C_in_FL?= Message-ID: I was surprised to hear a radio advert for them here in Florida, playing at a club in Boynton Beach. I only heard it today, the gig is in about 4 hours and i have a prior commitment :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: B?C in UK > I guess nobody on the east side of the pond is psyched that B?C is playing a bunch > of gigs in the UK later this year? Too bad, as they've been adding some stuff to the > set that hasn't been played in years, if ever. And if the quality of recent gigs is any > indication, you'll be in for some great shows... > > theo > From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Mar 7 17:17:32 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Sean McMahon) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:17:32 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour Dates Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:16:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Colin Allen writes: > >> First tour dates for May: >> >> May 18th Cambridge Junction >> May 25th London Astoria >> May 26th Bristol Academy >> May 27th Birmingham Academy >> >> More dates will follow soon. > >Let's hope for some Scottish ones... > >> Provisionally, Hawkfest 2003 will take place on August 8th-10th in the >> north west of England. > >Lake District? That'd certainly be very nice. > It certainly would, mainly because I live there! >FoFP From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Mar 7 18:26:33 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:26:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Meltzer on moe. Message-ID: Since said band has popped up on the list, though you all might like to read http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0307/meltzer.php I chuckled! you might, too! Jason From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Mar 8 02:03:06 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:03:06 +0100 Subject: HW:The dog chew it Message-ID: Hello all, had some friends over last night with a dog. before we mentioned he chew up the cases of "Inner City Unit:Blood and Bone" and the "Gimme Shelter" video (the ICU also the video) Luckely the videos weren't in it,as we were looking at them. Asked the dog what he was up to,but unfortunaly I don't speak labradors. Now,could anyone scan me the sleeves of these two for me? Would be very gratefull greetings filip Filip.Vanhuyse at pandora.be From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Mar 8 02:25:54 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:25:54 +0100 Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: Sad news folks Here is the mail I received from LARRY BOYDS sister.... To all that loved him.... Larry pasted away Thursday, March 3, 2003 at 4:20pm. He did not suffer and he was not alone. There will be a memorial service in honor of Larry on March 15, 2003 at 2pm. We will be having it at Davis Funeral Home, 373 Court Street, Plymouth, MA 02360, phone-800-770-2231 It will be an informal gathering. There will be pictures and memories of Larry's displayed (bring pictures to share). We will be playing Larry's music. Please bring any tape or CD that you have of Larry's music or something you know he would appreciate. Larry was loved and did love all of you. Through these past few months I have gotten to know many of you and I loved hearing the memories you shared with Larry. Thank you for sharing these and letting me into your lives. I know why Larry stayed in a place that is so cold for soooo long, FRIENDS We are asking that no flowers be sent to the memorial but ask donations be sent in Larry's memory to New England Sinai Hospital, 150 York St., Stoughton, MA 02072. They took very good care of Larry in his last few months. Thank you all for your support and I look forward to seeing you all very soon. Love Debi From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Mar 8 03:18:10 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:18:10 -0700 Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: May the angels welcome him with open arms. Good vibes to all his kith & kin. Pam Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Sad news folks > > Here is the mail I received from LARRY BOYDS sister.... > > To all that loved him.... > Larry pasted away Thursday, March 3, 2003 at 4:20pm. He did not suffer and > he was not alone. > There will be a memorial service in honor of Larry on March 15, 2003 at > 2pm. We will be having it at Davis Funeral Home, 373 Court Street, > Plymouth, MA 02360, phone-800-770-2231 > It will be an informal gathering. There will be pictures and memories of > Larry's displayed (bring pictures to share). We will be playing Larry's > music. Please bring any tape or CD that you have of Larry's music or > something you know he would appreciate. > Larry was loved and did love all of you. Through these past few months I > have gotten to know many of you and I loved hearing the memories you shared > with Larry. Thank you for sharing these and letting me into your lives. I > know why Larry stayed in a place that is so cold for soooo long, FRIENDS > We are asking that no flowers be sent to the memorial but ask donations be > sent in Larry's memory to New England Sinai Hospital, 150 York St., > Stoughton, MA 02072. They took very good care of Larry in his last few months. > Thank you all for your support and I look forward to seeing you all very soon. > Love Debi -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I just take one Hawkwind CD at a time and put it in front of all the other artists nearby. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > >and like to rearrange the display to put the hawks in front of whoever else > >is in the "H" section. > >I wonder if this is a common habit, and if so perhaps their deletion might > >be a result of music stores or pressure from other artists alphabetically > >close to them (man, the number of Ritchie Havens albums I've moved to the > >next row to get them out of the hawks way....). > > > Love it, yes I've done the same thing. It seems like its Sophie (?) Hawkins > and Screaming Jay Hawkins for me tho, although I've stared placing Screamin > after the Hawks because he's so cool. If an out of stock HW bin is noticed > I ask the clerk about them... sick really. > > > > -- > Doug Bates > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 8 05:38:46 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:38:46 -0000 Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: I guess not unexpected and at least his long suffering has now passed, but very sad news indeed. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: Larry Boyd > Sad news folks > > Here is the mail I received from LARRY BOYDS sister.... > > > > To all that loved him.... > Larry pasted away Thursday, March 3, 2003 at 4:20pm. He did not suffer and > he was not alone. > There will be a memorial service in honor of Larry on March 15, 2003 at > 2pm. We will be having it at Davis Funeral Home, 373 Court Street, > Plymouth, MA 02360, phone-800-770-2231 > It will be an informal gathering. There will be pictures and memories of > Larry's displayed (bring pictures to share). We will be playing Larry's > music. Please bring any tape or CD that you have of Larry's music or > something you know he would appreciate. > Larry was loved and did love all of you. Through these past few months I > have gotten to know many of you and I loved hearing the memories you shared > with Larry. Thank you for sharing these and letting me into your lives. I > know why Larry stayed in a place that is so cold for soooo long, FRIENDS > We are asking that no flowers be sent to the memorial but ask donations be > sent in Larry's memory to New England Sinai Hospital, 150 York St., > Stoughton, MA 02072. They took very good care of Larry in his last few months. > Thank you all for your support and I look forward to seeing you all very soon. > Love Debi > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Mar 8 08:30:25 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:30:25 EST Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: I had known Larry since around 1989; we worked for the same company for about 5 yrs. He bacame a musical mentor of sorts; both being musicians, we inevitably talked music. Larry quickly sussed the 'deficiencies' in my knowledge/collection :-) and made what must amount to 150 or so cassttes for me during that period, When he left the company, the cassettes kept on coming thru the mail (right up until last summer). I literally have 4 milk crates overflowing with his homemade cassettes. His hand-written liner notes were always outstanding; accurate, concise, smart, and funny. Any question I ever had about music was answered by him. Not musical trivia, but the philosophical, the technical, the artistic; supplying both objectivity and subjectivity (Larry had VERY strong opnions on all of the above). His specialty was the 'secret history' of rock music, as he saw it; and I have his manifesto, contained within 13 yrs of magnetic impulses, catalogued in a makeshift milk crate museum in my basement. Larry also located a cassette copy of an LP he told me right out wasn't sure ever existed: Leigh Stevens' Red Weather LP.... I asked if he could dig it up and he told me he had never heard of it, and that meant it might not actually exist :-). But he found it for me, trading his way thru his gigantic network and mailing it to me. He supplied me with a ton of stuff I never knew I needed until I heard it. Music was the most important thing to Larry, of that I have no doubt. Passion doesn't describe it.... he considered himself a 'keeper of the flame' with his favorite music and considered it his mission to keep that flame burning. He succeeded with me. And Larry was an accomplished writer, but he communicated most effectively with some thru music. Our decade-long 'conversation' left me enriched, endebted, and amazed. Of course, I never really kept up my end of the 'trading', as Larry didn't 'need' to a mentor, he was one. He cherished the role and told me so; I was greatful to him and told him that often. We have lost a great lover of music, an amazing mind, a rockin' drummer, and a gentle spirit. We should remember him each our own way, and be thankful that has found peace. If anyone would like cassette :-) copies of any of the music Larry actually made with his many bands, email me. I must keep the flame burning...... BobM From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 8 08:49:38 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:49:38 +0800 Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: Bob, a great look into Larry's music life. I would love to read Larry's "secret history of music." To keep the flame burning, someday you must quote some of it. Even if a little.... Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Larry Boyd > I had known Larry since around 1989; we worked for the same company for about > 5 yrs. He bacame a musical mentor of sorts; both being musicians, we > inevitably talked music. Larry quickly sussed the 'deficiencies' in my > knowledge/collection :-) and made what must amount to 150 or so cassttes for > me during that period, When he left the company, the cassettes kept on coming > thru the mail (right up until last summer). I literally have 4 milk crates > overflowing with his homemade cassettes. His hand-written liner notes were > always outstanding; accurate, concise, smart, and funny. Any question I ever > had about music was answered by him. Not musical trivia, but the > philosophical, the technical, the artistic; supplying both objectivity and > subjectivity (Larry had VERY strong opnions on all of the above). > > His specialty was the 'secret history' of rock music, as he saw it; and I > have his manifesto, contained within 13 yrs of magnetic impulses, catalogued > in a makeshift milk crate museum in my basement. > > Larry also located a cassette copy of an LP he told me right out wasn't sure > ever existed: Leigh Stevens' Red Weather LP.... I asked if he could dig it up > and he told me he had never heard of it, and that meant it might not actually > exist :-). But he found it for me, trading his way thru his gigantic network > and mailing it to me. He supplied me with a ton of stuff I never knew I > needed until I heard it. > > Music was the most important thing to Larry, of that I have no doubt. Passion > doesn't describe it.... he considered himself a 'keeper of the flame' with > his favorite music and considered it his mission to keep that flame burning. > He succeeded with me. And Larry was an accomplished writer, but he > communicated most effectively with some thru music. Our decade-long > 'conversation' left me enriched, endebted, and amazed. Of course, I never > really kept up my end of the 'trading', as Larry didn't 'need' to a mentor, > he was one. He cherished the role and told me so; I was greatful to him and > told him that often. > > We have lost a great lover of music, an amazing mind, a rockin' drummer, and > a gentle spirit. We should remember him each our own way, and be thankful > that has found peace. > > If anyone would like cassette :-) copies of any of the music Larry actually > made with his many bands, email me. I must keep the flame burning...... > > BobM > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Mar 8 11:35:15 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:35:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock & Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (March 8, 2003):We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #70) and Alchemical Radio (show #36). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations CD Mail Order: I have one copy each left of the following CD's. I got a handful in and sold most of them before they made it into the catalog. Email me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com if you're interested in one or both of them. Into The Abyss - "Adrenochhrome" (Space/Prog band from Greece) The Nothing Booth - "A Journey" (strange cosmic Folk-Psych from New Zealand) Be sure and check out the NEWS items after the playlists. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #70) SubArachnoid Space - "Burn Shot" (from Also Rising) Farflung - "Breach Of Eye" (from Nine Pin Body) Vocabularinist - "Communifusion" (from The Spinostics Of Chukinski) The New Digital Sound - "You" (from The New Digital Sound) Church Of Hed - "The Lone Freak" (from Church Of Hed) Alpha Omega - "Space Pilot" (from Electronic Mind Project) Rustcycle - "Lotus Carving" (from Twin Arcs) Fit & Limo - "Der Kosmiche PFAD" (from Ginnistan) Tim Mungenast - "Invaders From Below" (from The Un-Stableboy) Saturn V - "I Left My Heart On The Moon (Tom's Song) Mega X Brand - "Strawberry Dresses" (from Halogen) Cobweb Strange - "On With The Show" (from A Breath Of October) Ole Lukkoye - "White Stone (Net Doma)" (from First Steps [Klangbad compilation]) Alchemical Radio show #36 Peter Johnston - "Be Your Own Best Friend" Bronze - "The Statue In The Stone" Biohazard - "Penalty" Kwabena & The Lion Train Band - "Freeman" Rick Ray - "Power Gone Mad" John Bartles & Arpad - "Leviathan Lullaby" Gong - "Bambolay/Ya Sunne" Romislokus - "Dreg" Dave Corwin - "Not Your Place" Michael Monroe - "Shattered Smile" Dogstar Poets - "Magic Mile" Life In A Blender - "Dolly Down The Hole" Neosoreskin - "Bird's Eye View" Hilda - "Sparklers" Lily Holbrook - "King's Castle" Nothing 2 Declare - "Amber" Phil Naro - "Under The Night Sun" Tim Mungenast - "Birth Of Monsters" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. GROOVE STREAM ATTRACTOR http://hometown.aol.com/tjohn62124/groovestreamattractor.html When: Thursday March 13 Early Show (7:30-9:30) Where: the Cave on Franklin Street in Chapel Hill http://www.caverntavern.com/this.html What to expect: Electronic Space Rock improvisations http://ghostland.com/gagliarchives Join the GAGLIARCHIVES this Saturday night, 3/08/03, at 10pm-2am EST, for program 786. We will world premier the new Derek Sherinian CD Black Utopia which features Jerry Goodman, Zakk Wylde, Steve Lukather, Yngwie Malmsteen and many others...we'll also premier the new Nathan Mahl CD Shadows Unbound...also a world premier of the new archive from Soleilzeuhl Records label and the CD Ardeur from Eskaton...in our March guitarists focus, we look at California Guitarist Al Garcia and his Make It So CD...in our 4th Hour Space Out, music from Greg Segal and Jugalbandi...more music from the Mellow Records label and the Cuban band Anima Mundi and the Septentrion CD...music compilations from the Garden Of Delights label...music from the Carbon 7 label and the Grosso Modo CD from Pierre Vervloesem featuring Guy Segers on bass...recent releases from the Voiceprint label and the Nektar Man In The Moon album from 1980, and Roye Albrighton and The Follies Of Rupert Treacle..a local concert focus! featuring tracks from The Red Masque and Second Sufis as part of The Philadelphia Underground Music and Culture Festival...into the vaults with Italian band Sensation's Fix and Delire Chameleon Family Band...and a classic from Camel and the Mirage album... Click Here To listen Saturday night @ 10pm-2am Eastern at WBZC.org: http://wbzc.bcc.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/wbzc889.rm Click Here To Listen Through Aural Moon Radio: Instant message us through AOL IM = GAGLIARCHIVES http://www.auralmoon.com http://live.str3am.com:2010/ (Broadbanders) http://live.str3am.com:2020/ (Dial Uppers) Our Stations: 88.9FM and 95.1FM in the Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 8 11:44:34 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:44:34 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:______B=D6C_in_UK?= Message-ID: Saw them the last time they played here, last year....superb!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 07 March 2003 15:11 Subject: B?C in UK I guess nobody on the east side of the pond is psyched that B?C is playing a bunch of gigs in the UK later this year? Too bad, as they've been adding some stuff to the set that hasn't been played in years, if ever. And if the quality of recent gigs is any indication, you'll be in for some great shows... theo From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 8 11:39:51 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:39:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: Maths Message-ID: Hate to be pedantic, it is arithmetic not math, maths, or mathematics. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lockwood To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 March 2003 22:20 Subject: OFF: Maths >"Maths", or "mathematics" please. We're not American here... > >Yes, that's my mantle of pedantry over there - if you could pass it to me on >my way out... > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >> >> So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly >> 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 >> of those per British pound....so you do the math. >> >> Anybody? >> >> Grakkl (FAA) >> > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 8 12:36:17 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:36:17 +0000 Subject: Larry Boyd In-Reply-To: <189.16803ec5.2b9b4a71@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear All, I can't do better than Bob Mayo's tribute. I never actually met Larry, for all I corresponded with him for most of the last three years and my tape museum only has 11 cassettes and a CD-R in it, all of his stuff. Now a dead man's voice will sing to me from them and this change is hard to take on board. Best to let the man's own words do the job I think. This is a transcript I made of one of his lyrics from one of those tapes. There were a few words I wasn't sure of, but though I mailed him to ask what they were he was never to reply. It's an unjust world. Larry had given far more to rock and roll, by playing it, writing it, propagating it and living it, than it ever gave back to him, and the only comfort in it is probably that I think that's the way round he'd rather have had it. Anyway, this was from 1983 but twenty years later it still seems so close to the bone I can't not include it: > TELL THEM I DIED > > "Well whaddaya say, long time no see > But surely I tried to find you here" > 'Twas narrow starin' eyes like yours > From which I tried to disappear > I thought I was some [hero then] > I went to catch that lonesome train > But I met a bunch of nowhere men > With mush for guts and shit for brains > And I never found the romance of the road > And it's all that I can do now > Not to huff and explode > Watch me now... > > [Did it too much for equal] time > I wish I had it back again > Three years in an [Iowa chair] > At least I knew my home was there > I stomped salvation on my boot > [Ate] the stale meat [we call bread] > I sold my clothes I sold my blood > I hustled creeps I fed my head > And I told myself I must have had it made > That I wasn't just some burnout [fourth] > Who couldn't get laid > Won't you tell them, tell them I died > I'll ask you once and once again > Don't say you've seen me on the slide > And tell them, tell them I died > 'Cause they don't need to know > Turn around now, go > > I don't care what you call it > Either suicide or self-defence > Pass it on like second-hand > Don't matter if it don't make sense > I used to be the teacher's pet > I did what had been told to me > I shot my gun I waved my flag > I saw from Caesar's shining sea > But Uncle Sam was nodding on the side > Beneath a mighty mound of garbage > Just as deep as it was wide > So won't you tell them, tell them I died > I'll ask you once and once again > Don't say you've seen me on the slide > And tell them, tell them I died > 'Cause they don't need to know > Turn around now, go > > Tell them I died > Tell them I died... Goodbye Larry. Better luck next time, you surely deserved it. Jonathan -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 8 12:42:04 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:42:04 +0800 Subject: OFF: Alex Harvey (was OFF: Adventures in "H Misc") Message-ID: > My mission to the "H" album section in te 80's always consisted of: > > Hawkwind > Roy Harper > Hillage > and yes, even the Sensational Alex Harvey Band...don't recall the name of it > (have to check a discography somewhere), but I remember what I beleive was > his last album - perhaps 1979 or, so was quite good..been trying to locate > it. > > Nowadays, do most CD shopping on-line > The last SAHB one that I know of (which is fantastic) was Rock Drill. After that, an album came out under the name of Alex Harvey, The New Band, called The Mafia Stole My Guitar, which had on bass guitar someone who I belive is now rather famous (but using his pre-fame name? I'll let people guess over that one). After that game an album just under his own name (but whether it was recorded before or not, I'm not too sure?). I could be wrong with the title, but I seem to recall Soldier On The Wall? William From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Mar 8 14:43:14 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:43:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Maths Message-ID: Its none of those, its Rithmatic. Haven't you ever heard of the three 'R's, the other two being Reading and Riting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave hall" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Maths > Hate to be pedantic, it is arithmetic not math, maths, or mathematics. > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lockwood > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 06 March 2003 22:20 > Subject: OFF: Maths > > > >"Maths", or "mathematics" please. We're not American here... > > > >Yes, that's my mantle of pedantry over there - if you could pass it to me > on > >my way out... > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > >> > >> So anyway, it's still here available for (I think) a measly > >> 32 Swiss Francs, and last time I checked, there were 2.2 > >> of those per British pound....so you do the math. > >> > >> Anybody? > >> > >> Grakkl (FAA) > >> > > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Mar 8 15:35:36 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:35:36 -0600 Subject: OFF: Alex Harvey (was OFF: Adventures in "H Misc") Message-ID: Whooops...indeed, it was "Soldier on the Wall"... From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 8 17:29:02 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:29:02 +0000 Subject: YET AGAIN JUDGE TREV RENDS MUSICAL BARRIERS ASUNDER!!! Message-ID: YET AGAIN JT SPITS UPON REC CO. CATEGORIES HA HA HA HA HA HA HA god and man review: Modern Dance (p22 #43) Judge Trev - God and Man. Real Festival Music Recorded in Rome, and produced by Dino Ferari, God and Man is a pretty tasty little album from the ever resourceful Judge Trev. Guests on the album include Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree, Dr Syntax, as well as Dino Ferari on percussion. The album kicks off with Beside the Sea Side, which is quite anthemic, and is a rather catchy piece. The majority of the music on the album is what's become known as psych/folk and as the press release says is nothing like the man's done before. Well, it's worked quite well and has opened up another facet to the spacerock fraternity. Tremblin' Hand is quite a dark piece while Black Raven Love is more in the folk vein. One Move is a great song with some pretty nice flourishes on the guitar. The Personality-The Mind is more band orientated where Battle begins with sfx and then veers more towards traditional folk aka sea shanty (although not quite if you know what I mean). The album's mainly acoustic and I can see where, or even why, the term psych/folk, is relevant to these songs. Check out the link on the MD web for Judge Trev. (DW) get it here http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev RFM Real Festival Music www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festy CD's, vids, downloads, news, forum, fest reviews, healers, Judge Trev is a member of Inner City Unit and Inner City Hawks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ICU-ICH/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat online in real time with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Mar 8 15:33:42 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:33:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Alex Harvey (was OFF: Adventures in "H Misc") Message-ID: Ahhh...it was "The Poet and I" (1982) - his last studio album as far as I know.. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 8 22:23:41 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:23:41 +0800 Subject: OFF: Alex Harvey (was OFF: Adventures in "H Misc") Message-ID: I think that was a name of a track on the album, but I'm fairly sure the album itself was "Soldier on the Wall", & has a pic of Hadrian's Wall (I presume) with another of Alex in an artist type of pose (with artist hat) superimosed over the top. William PS He also made a documentary album about The Loch Ness Monster! But that was while SAHB was still in existance. At the same time they recorded an album without Alex. > Ahhh...it was "The Poet and I" (1982) - his last studio album as far as I > know.. > > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Mar 9 03:14:42 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:14:42 +0100 Subject: HW:The dog chew it Message-ID: Have got the scans in. Thanks a lot filip From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Mar 9 06:06:05 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:06:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Heaven and Earth / Noddy Message-ID: > At the end of it last week, they had a quick trailer for what's going to be > on next week, and apparently they've got an interview with The Good Lord > Noddy Of Holder, Patron Saint Of Leather Lunged Singers and Lord On High Of > Top Three Singles. Which, let's face it, is as close as they'll ever get to > an interview with God. Well, apologies to anyone who got up early to watch this, as there was no Noddy. Grr. I suspect they canned him for a reshowing of the Adam Faith interview from last year. Sorry. Maybe they'll do Lemmy later in the year. Then again... :-) Cheers, Rich. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 8 11:41:53 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:41:53 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Seconded!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chris Purdon To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 07 March 2003 10:07 Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT Hawkwind should take a leaf out of Deep Purple's book: Simon Robinson at Purple Records has a fabulous back catalogue of well-produced re-issues and offshoot bands. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cpt Blue Skin To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT I would buy an extra copy of EVERYTHING it it was re-issued as I try to do now as I learn of its re-issue. Some albums I would buy several copies just in case one gets buggered and also cause Im fuggin ma-a-a-a-ad :) peace and love and all those nice things ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > I only need 25 years on. If they were remastered with some extra goodies, > like the EMI reissues, I'd buy them. How many fans already have most of > these anyway. How great is the demand? Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > PXR5, ASAM and Hawklords are the only three CDs I seek > > > > It is for me to weep > > It is for me to weep > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Gartside" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > > > > > I've got a copy of PXR5 with a sticker on the back saying "DO NOT > REMOVE" > > > covering the slightly dodgy wireing .. eg live to earth nuetral to live > > and > > > earth to nuetral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: HW: WOTEOT > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:51 +0800 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from cpimssmtpa03.msn.com ([207.46.181.90]) by > > > >mc7-f9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 6 > Mar > > > >2003 18:55:20 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by > > cpimssmtpa03.msn.com > > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:43 -0800 > > > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > > > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > > > >ESMTP id VAA09494;Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > > > >release 1.8d) with spool id 82054 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; > > Thu, > > > >6 Mar 2003 21:51:15 -0500 > > > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu > [192.107.46.158]) > > by > > > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > > > >VAA09487 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > 21:51:15 > > > >-0500 (EST) > > > >Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) > by > > > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with SMTP id > > VAA24992 > > > > for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:51:11 -0500 > > > >(EST) > > > >Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ADSL) (203.59.108.180) by > mail.iinet.net.au > > > >with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 02:42:21 -0000 > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > > > >X-MSN-Trace: {9E3C9A00-103F-4E8C-9E8A-AA1230CA763A} > > > >References: <200303070220.VAA09337 at listserv.spc.edu> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > > >Message-ID: <006501c2e453$3f468580$b46c3bcb at iinet.net.au> > > > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2003 02:50:44.0062 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[58F4CFE0:01C2E454] > > > > > > > > Doug typing merrily away stated: > > > > > > > > > P.S. Thanks to all the listmembers who exercised greater restraint > and > > > > > maturity than myself in this issue. And those who didn't ... you're > > > > > obviously as much of an asshole as I am! Welcome to the club! > > > > > > > > > > > > >LOL But it WAS on topic. :-) > > > > > > > >On another note - with WotEoT, ASAM, QS&C and PXR5 and others > delisted - > > > >makes me wonder whether Hawkwind is the biggest secret in the music > > > >industry. These are all MAJOR albums. Should be available everywhere. > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 9 14:42:27 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:42:27 -0500 Subject: Larry Boyd Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:36:17 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Goodbye Larry. Better luck next time, you surely deserved it. > >Jonathan Amen to that, Jon. The world has lost a truly fine musician, and a brilliant, if unconventional, scholar. I only got to meet Larry once, at Strange Daze 99, where I had the great experience of jamming with Das Ludicroix, now one of my most treasured memories; he came very close to driving across the country to visit, so we could jam some more, but sadly, due to first automotive, and then medical reasons, it was not to happen. So now that's one of my biggest lifetime regrets. The depth and breadth of his musical knowledge cannot be overstated. The conversations we had on the "secret history of music" were some of the most enlightening (and sometimes also most heated and challenging) that I've ever had, but even when we disagreed, I could never fail to have enormous respect for his knowledge, and equally importantly, his expert analysis and processing of that knowledge. Thank you for your comments and memories, Bob, and everyone else who's spoken about Larry. Damn, I can barely see through the tears. Goodbye, Larry, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 9 17:35:19 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:35:19 -0000 Subject: OFF: Maths Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" > Its none of those, its Rithmatic. > Haven't you ever heard of the three 'R's, the other two being Reading and > Riting. Sigh - what do they teach in skools these days? It's "Reeling and Writhing, of course, to begin with ... and then the different branches of Arithmetic - Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision" And I shall leave it to Lewis Carroll via the Mock Turtle's Story in "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" to explain about Mystery, ancient and modern with Seaography; the Classical Master who teaches Laughing and Grief and the Drawling-master who teaches Drawling, Stretching and Fainting in Coils. Lessons being 10 hours the first day, 9 the next - because they lessen from day to day... jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 02:36:51 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:36:51 -0000 Subject: HW: USA Tours Message-ID: Folks, For a project that I'm currently working on - are there any list members who saw Hawkwind in their USA Tours of 89/90/91/95/97? If you did, and would be happy to share your thoughts/memories of these gigs - particularly if you met the band at the time and *most* particularly (though certainly not exclusively) if you were inspired to "go away and form a band", I'd like to have a chat off-list: ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk Thanks! Ian From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Mon Mar 10 08:06:40 2003 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?=) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:06:40 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey - Live And Beyond + Al Chemicals Lysergic Orchestra Message-ID: Hello ! Has anyone here on this list still bought those 2 CDs of Alan Davey ? How do they sound ? Are those recordings good ? Best wishes Alfred From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 10:50:32 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:50:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Hello all, Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location is in the north-west of England. Tickets will be on sale soon. Just as a reminder, tour dates are: May 18th Cambridge Junction May 25th London Astoria May 26th Bristol Academy May 27th Birmingham Academy. More dates will follow soon. Colin From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Mar 10 11:13:26 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:13:26 -0600 Subject: Off: Hepatitis C Message-ID: This has absolutely nothing to do with music, but I though it important to pass along, and am doing my part to do spread awareness. Hepatitis C has become a "silent" epidemic lately, and people of our age group are mostly affected. Thought I would use this forum to spread awareness. I was shocked to find I have it, and only found out when I went for a routine phycical and asked for the test because an ex-girlfriend has it. I had absolutely no symptoms. More people than you realizes has it or knows of someone who does have it. (People you have heard of include: Dusty Hill (ZZTop), David Crosby, Phil Lesh, Freddie Fender, Pamela Anderson, Naomi Judd.) Hepatitis C is a virus that infects the liver, and can take up to 20-30 years before damage is done or symptoms exhibited. The virus is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact such as occurs with a blood transfusion, receiving a tattoo from a dirty needle, during intranasal cocaine snorting when sharing razor blades, toothbrushes, even. or when sharing intravenous needles. There are lots of ways to get it. The virus can have a prolonged asymptomatic period for many months to years and can come to attention through routine screening at the time of blood donation, or when a person infected with the virus develops symptoms of the disease. The symptoms, which are fairly nonspecific, include fatigue and joint aches. Occasionally, the disease is not diagnosed until its end stages at which time liver failure has ensued. Testing is NOT a routing part of a physical, and must be asked for specifically. Millions of people are walking around with it, who do not even know they have it. I was one of them. (felt a bit of fatigue and tiredness all the time, and did not know why..though I partied too much.) It can be treated and actually cured these days. (Am undergoing treatment now with good results so far.) This is not the "disease of the month", but is very real, and I though it important to pass this along, since it affects our age group the most, partiers and non-partiers alike. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/index.htm Best Regards, Tom Clark From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Mar 10 11:36:14 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:36:14 -0500 Subject: Off: Hepatitis C Message-ID: How old are you? Just curious. My aunt has this too. Probably sharing needles. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Off: Hepatitis C This has absolutely nothing to do with music, but I though it important to pass along, and am doing my part to do spread awareness. Hepatitis C has become a "silent" epidemic lately, and people of our age group are mostly affected. Thought I would use this forum to spread awareness. I was shocked to find I have it, and only found out when I went for a routine phycical and asked for the test because an ex-girlfriend has it. I had absolutely no symptoms. More people than you realizes has it or knows of someone who does have it. (People you have heard of include: Dusty Hill (ZZTop), David Crosby, Phil Lesh, Freddie Fender, Pamela Anderson, Naomi Judd.) Hepatitis C is a virus that infects the liver, and can take up to 20-30 years before damage is done or symptoms exhibited. The virus is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact such as occurs with a blood transfusion, receiving a tattoo from a dirty needle, during intranasal cocaine snorting when sharing razor blades, toothbrushes, even. or when sharing intravenous needles. There are lots of ways to get it. The virus can have a prolonged asymptomatic period for many months to years and can come to attention through routine screening at the time of blood donation, or when a person infected with the virus develops symptoms of the disease. The symptoms, which are fairly nonspecific, include fatigue and joint aches. Occasionally, the disease is not diagnosed until its end stages at which time liver failure has ensued. Testing is NOT a routing part of a physical, and must be asked for specifically. Millions of people are walking around with it, who do not even know they have it. I was one of them. (felt a bit of fatigue and tiredness all the time, and did not know why..though I partied too much.) It can be treated and actually cured these days. (Am undergoing treatment now with good results so far.) This is not the "disease of the month", but is very real, and I though it important to pass this along, since it affects our age group the most, partiers and non-partiers alike. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/index.htm Best Regards, Tom Clark From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Mar 10 11:41:31 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:41:31 -0600 Subject: Off: Hepatitis C Message-ID: 39 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Mar 10 11:46:07 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:46:07 -0500 Subject: Off: Hepatitis C Message-ID: So am I. Thats pretty scarey. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Off: Hepatitis C > 39 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 10 12:33:20 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:33:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Hello all, > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location is > in the north-west of England. Tickets will be on sale soon. > > Just as a reminder, tour dates are: > > May 18th Cambridge Junction > May 25th London Astoria > May 26th Bristol Academy > May 27th Birmingham Academy. > > More dates will follow soon. > > Colin > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 13:50:02 2003 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:50:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin gig this week Message-ID: Hello, Just a reminder that Alan Davey's Bedouin are playing in London this week. Details below: Thursday March 13th Dingwalls Camden Lock London TEL: 020-7267-1577 Doors 7pm. Tickets are ?8 in advance or ?10 on the door. See ya there. From murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Mar 8 14:45:42 2003 From: murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM (Murray Ewing) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:45:42 +0000 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman In-Reply-To: <200303081000.FAA21121@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi all, Something that's always bugged me is what's said right at the start of BOC's On Your Feet... Someone says something ("go for it"?) then someone says "The Subhuman" and the start the song. Does anyone know what that first thing said is? Murray From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Mar 10 16:57:05 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman In-Reply-To: <8BFC8B3C-519E-11D7-89A2-0003934D967E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Murray Ewing wrote: > Something that's always bugged me is what's said right at the start of > BOC's On Your Feet... > > Someone says something ("go for it"?) then someone says "The Subhuman" > and the start the song. Does anyone know what that first thing said is? Oooh, good one. I don't remember this ever being discussed here before. The CD's not on me right now, but how about, "now here's...The Subhuman?" I'll have to put my headphones on tonight and give it a listen. Brian From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Mar 10 17:06:28 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:06:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Oooh, good one. I don't remember this ever being discussed here before. The >CD's not on me right now, but how about, "now here's...The Subhuman?" > >I'll have to put my headphones on tonight and give it a listen. I hear it as "They'll hear it..." -prince of turbojets From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 10 19:50:35 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:50:35 EST Subject: HW: USA Tours Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2003 2:40:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > For a project that I'm currently working on - are there any list members who > saw Hawkwind in their USA Tours of 89/90/91/95/97? > SARCASM ON: Hawkwind tours the US? SARCASM OFF Joe From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Mon Mar 10 20:46:44 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:46:44 +0100 Subject: HW: being just another common Hawkwind fan Message-ID: I don't want to be center of attention or anything, as I never thought I was Buddha in the band despite the track "Reptoid Vision", but "The Hawkwind Electric Library" has joined The Hawkwind Webring (just to prove I am just another common Hawkwind fan in the metal anarchy): http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/hawkwind.html Chr. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Mar 11 02:19:05 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:19:05 +0100 Subject: Off: Hepatitis C Message-ID: Adrian Shaw has it too I've had hepatitis A,and can tell you it's a hell sleeping for 20-22 hours aday,looking television it too much,etc. Still are easy tired,not feeling well etc.(and it's about 2-3 years ago) yes,you should all check you out greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Off: Hepatitis C This has absolutely nothing to do with music, but I though it important to pass along, and am doing my part to do spread awareness. Hepatitis C has become a "silent" epidemic lately, and people of our age group are mostly affected. Thought I would use this forum to spread awareness. I was shocked to find I have it, and only found out when I went for a routine phycical and asked for the test because an ex-girlfriend has it. I had absolutely no symptoms. More people than you realizes has it or knows of someone who does have it. (People you have heard of include: Dusty Hill (ZZTop), David Crosby, Phil Lesh, Freddie Fender, Pamela Anderson, Naomi Judd.) Hepatitis C is a virus that infects the liver, and can take up to 20-30 years before damage is done or symptoms exhibited. The virus is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact such as occurs with a blood transfusion, receiving a tattoo from a dirty needle, during intranasal cocaine snorting when sharing razor blades, toothbrushes, even. or when sharing intravenous needles. There are lots of ways to get it. The virus can have a prolonged asymptomatic period for many months to years and can come to attention through routine screening at the time of blood donation, or when a person infected with the virus develops symptoms of the disease. The symptoms, which are fairly nonspecific, include fatigue and joint aches. Occasionally, the disease is not diagnosed until its end stages at which time liver failure has ensued. Testing is NOT a routing part of a physical, and must be asked for specifically. Millions of people are walking around with it, who do not even know they have it. I was one of them. (felt a bit of fatigue and tiredness all the time, and did not know why..though I partied too much.) It can be treated and actually cured these days. (Am undergoing treatment now with good results so far.) This is not the "disease of the month", but is very real, and I though it important to pass this along, since it affects our age group the most, partiers and non-partiers alike. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/index.htm Best Regards, Tom Clark From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Tue Mar 11 04:31:30 2003 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman Message-ID: I always thought it was: "We have here....the Subhuman" >>> murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM 03/08/03 07:45pm >>> Hi all, Something that's always bugged me is what's said right at the start of BOC's On Your Feet... Someone says something ("go for it"?) then someone says "The Subhuman" and the start the song. Does anyone know what that first thing said is? Murray From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sat Mar 8 06:01:27 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:01:27 +1100 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Allen > To: > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > Hello all, > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location is > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 11 06:32:08 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:32:08 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: WEST AUSTRALIA AS WELL, PLEASE!!!!!!! William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) > > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Allen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Allen > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location > is > > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 11 06:10:24 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:10:24 EDT Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030310170628.0069d66c@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 10 Mar 2003 at 17:06, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > >Oooh, good one. I don't remember this ever being discussed here > >before. The CD's not on me right now, but how about, "now > >here's...The Subhuman?" > > > >I'll have to put my headphones on tonight and give it a listen. > > I hear it as "They'll hear it..." > I always thought it was '...You'll hear it...' as in BD assuring a fan that the song he's screaming for will get played that night... Others have heard '...We're here...' theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 11 06:13:13 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:13:13 EDT Subject: Off: Hepatitis C In-Reply-To: <000f01c2e79e$80751140$8f1c5251@pandora.be> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2003 at 8:19, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: Hey Filip, I'm going to be in Belgium and the Netherlands next month, any good gigs coming up? theo From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 11 07:47:13 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:47:13 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > WEST AUSTRALIA AS WELL, PLEASE!!!!!!! > > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) > > > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Allen > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > > > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the > location > > is > > > > > > > > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 11 07:46:50 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:46:50 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Can you hear me in the West Alan? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) > > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Allen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Allen > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location > is > > > From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Tue Mar 11 06:53:07 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:53:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: What about Norway??? They haven't played in Norway since 1991!!! I saw them play at the Alaska with Diamond Dogs there in 1991. About time they return after 11 1/2 years. Chr. xl5 at IINET.NET.AU wrote: >WEST AUSTRALIA AS WELL, PLEASE!!!!!!! > >William > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allan Sharpe" >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > >>AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) >> >>Allan Sharpe >>sharpies at idx.com.au >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Allen" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM >>Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 >> >> >> >> >>>I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Colin Allen >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM >>>Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello all, >>>> >>>>Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the >>>> >>>> >location > > >>is >> >> >> >> -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Tue Mar 11 09:03:00 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:03:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: > What about Norway??? They haven't played in Norway since 1991!!! I saw > them play at the Alaska with Diamond Dogs there in 1991. About time they > return after 11 1/2 years. Don't get me started, I can't remember the last time they were in Florida, if ever. Norway is closer to england than Florida is to the places they do play in the U.S. And before that I lived in Central America, I think it is safe to say they have never played there.... From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sat Mar 8 09:53:39 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:53:39 +1100 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: I'm hoping that Hawkwind & some promoter can hear you as well as I can. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Can you hear me in the West Alan? :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA..... (shouted very loudly)... ;) > > > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:33 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Allen > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > > > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the > location > > is > > > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 11 09:59:41 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:59:41 GMT Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: Andrew Apold's message of Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew Apold writes: > And before that I lived in Central America, I think it is safe to say they > have never > played there.... You got the biggest Space Rock ever there just 65 million years ago. Wanting more is just greedy. FoFP From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Mar 11 10:25:12 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:25:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman Message-ID: I think its "Go here" Cheers Neil. I always thought it was: "We have here....the Subhuman" >>> murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM 03/08/03 07:45pm >>> Hi all, Something that's always bugged me is what's said right at the start of BOC's On Your Feet... Someone says something ("go for it"?) then someone says "The Subhuman" and the start the song. Does anyone know what that first thing said is? Murray From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 11 10:12:21 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:12:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Hello folks! We are working on Australia, European and USA tour dates at the moment. If any of you know of a really good gig/festival in your area which you think would be suitable for Hawkwind, email us off list and we will try to fit it in. Thanks Kris From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Mar 11 11:53:07 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <005e01c2e7e0$c7eec600$b712bd50@default> Message-ID: Hello Kris! That's great news that the band's making it back to the USA. Here's some info I've found that hopefully means I'll get to see HW for the first time. ;-) The Grassroots festival is a wonderful event held every year in the gorgeous Finger Lakes region of upstate New York. If it's too late to get in on it this year, perhaps somewhere down the line you might be interested in becoming a part of it. http://www.grassrootsfest.org/ Here's some info on the Finger Lakes as well: http://www.fingerlakes.org/ If you can't make it to Grassroots, I would love it if you were able to play somewhere in upstate NY. I live in Rochester and wasn't able to make it to the St. Catherine's gig. Other places to look into in my area: Milestones--Rochester, NY I've seen the new version of Mahavishnu Orchestra here. Project/Object (the Zappa tribute band with Ike Willis) and Tony Levin have also played Milestones, among many other big and not so big names in music. http://www.milestonesmusicroom.com/ Water St. Music Hall/Club at Water St.--Rochester, NY I recently saw Gov't Mule play at the music hall. It's a great venue that's tied together with a cozier club. http://www2.cityofrochester.net/cs/nsn/index.cfm?business=1418 Armory High--Syracuse, NY I saw Guided By Voices in this club, which was built with live music in mind. You can tell they paid a lot of attention to the acoustics. It's in the popular Armory Square section of Syracuse. http://armoryhigh.micronpcweb.com/ > We are working on Australia, European and USA tour dates at the moment. If > any of you know of a really good gig/festival in your area which you think > would be suitable for Hawkwind, email us off list and we will try to fit it > in. > > Thanks > > Kris From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Mar 11 12:06:39 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:06:39 -0600 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 - USA gigs Message-ID: Not sure how to e-mail off-list... This gig is in July at Mariaville, New York, 25 miles northwest of Albany. Camping allowed. May be too late in the stage at this point in time since it takes place mid-July.... http://www.gatheringofthevibes.com/Band_2003.html Here's another outdoor fest slated for August... http://www.benjerry.com/festival/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Mar 11 12:24:02 2003 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:24:02 EST Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman Message-ID: In a message dated 03/11/2003 10:16:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM writes: > > > I think its "Go here" > > Cheers > Neil. I always thought it was "Go ahead." :-) SET From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 11 12:29:30 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:29:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 - USA gigs Message-ID: You can mail us at management at hawkwind.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 - USA gigs > Not sure how to e-mail off-list... > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Mar 11 11:50:39 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:50:39 -0600 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: Just ordered Cantebury 2001..should be arriving soon. Any reviews of that CD good or bad? Sound quality? Also, got my Church of Hawkwind on the way as well....feel like a little kid anticipating it's arrival. Have the LP, but no turntable..no reviews required....I like it. Rgds, Tom Best Regards, Tom Clark Delta Wave Communications, Inc. Toll Free - 1-800-706-2515 Facsimile - 1-985-384-4102 www.deltawavecomm.com (Please note that my new e-mail address is: tom.clark at deltawavecomm.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Allen > To: > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > Hello all, > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location is > > in the north-west of England. Tickets will be on sale soon. > > > > Just as a reminder, tour dates are: > > > > May 18th Cambridge Junction > > May 25th London Astoria > > May 26th Bristol Academy > > May 27th Birmingham Academy. > > > > More dates will follow soon. > > > > Colin > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Mar 11 14:58:41 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:58:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: Its fantastic. I got mine a month ago. The quality is 11/10. You won't be disappointed. Its the best thing they released in a long time. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 > Just ordered Cantebury 2001..should be arriving soon. > > Any reviews of that CD good or bad? Sound quality? > > Also, got my Church of Hawkwind on the way as well....feel like a little kid > anticipating it's arrival. > Have the LP, but no turntable..no reviews required....I like it. > > Rgds, > > Tom > > > > Best Regards, > > > Tom Clark > Delta Wave Communications, Inc. > Toll Free - 1-800-706-2515 > Facsimile - 1-985-384-4102 > www.deltawavecomm.com > (Please note that my new e-mail address > is: tom.clark at deltawavecomm.com) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Allen" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > I wonder will they ever come back to Belfast? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Allen > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:50 PM > > Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Hawkfest 2003 is now confirmed for August 8th, 9th & 10th; the location > is > > > in the north-west of England. Tickets will be on sale soon. > > > > > > Just as a reminder, tour dates are: > > > > > > May 18th Cambridge Junction > > > May 25th London Astoria > > > May 26th Bristol Academy > > > May 27th Birmingham Academy. > > > > > > More dates will follow soon. > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Mar 11 15:16:28 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:16:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 In-Reply-To: <002201c2e7ee$589752a0$0d01a8c0@DELTAMAIN> Message-ID: Hi Tom At 10:50 11.03.2003 -0600, you wrote: >Just ordered Cantebury 2001..should be arriving soon. > >Any reviews of that CD good or bad? Sound quality? One of the best Hawkwind performances I have ever heard !! Superb sound !! Bernhard From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 11 16:15:59 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:15:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:50:39 -0600, Tom Clark wrote: >Just ordered Cantebury 2001..should be arriving soon. > >Any reviews of that CD good or bad? Sound quality? Mine just arrived yesterday, too. As Bernhard and Stephe have pointed out, it is very, very good! There are a few sound quality glitches (near the end of "Levitation", as someone pointed out last month), but overall the sound quality is excellent (without any of the "issues" that 'Yule Ritual' had - the bass guitar tone and overall mix both sound accurate to me). Lots of crunchy guitar from Dave, the best I've heard from Huw on the 80's material ("Levitation", "5th Second Of Forever", "Angels of Death"), and Keith Kniveton's synth work is *fantastic*. The closest to complaints I can come up with are that we don't really need yet another version of "Hassan i Sahba"/"Space is Their" (but we finally get a *complete* show on a live album, so I'm not complaining!), and that Arthur Brown doesn't really do very much except improvise some words for "Silver Machine" (but it sounds like this was not the case on the recent tour, so I guess we'll have a live album from that one with considerably more Arthur to look forward to!). So both are really non- issues. Definitely essential for fans of current-day Hawkwind. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 11 17:56:41 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:56:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Just to clarify, the USA also includes Canada in this context:). Colin (now awaiting the brickbats from that cold, cold country) From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Mar 11 20:37:25 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:37:25 -0700 Subject: BOC: On Your Feet's The Subhuman Message-ID: and I always thought it was... "You'll hear, the Subhuman". Brad From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 12 06:07:28 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:07:28 EDT Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200303112256.RAA17799@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2003 at 17:56, Colin Allen wrote: Date sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:56:41 -0500 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Colin Allen Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Just to clarify, the USA also includes Canada in this context:). > > Colin (now awaiting the brickbats from that cold, cold country) How 'bout Mexico? theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Mar 12 09:11:08 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:11:08 EST Subject: OFF: NEKTAR in UK Message-ID: Sorry I can't separate out the UK fans from the mailing list. Just to let you all know, Nektar will be playing at the Astoria-Charing Cross Road, London on Thursday 17th July with a support act TBA Tickets are ?12.50 adavance and doors open 7pm. Tickets are now on sale. Astoria box office number is 0207 344 0044 or call in and avoid booking fee. . Tickets also available from StarGreen 0207 734 8932 or WayAhead, www.wayahead.com I know the band are looking forward to a UK show so do come along to what should be a terrific night. Kind Regards Vicky Powell nektarmusicuk at aol.com --This is the message footer-- From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Mar 12 11:43:23 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:43:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200303112256.RAA17799@listserv.spc.edu>; from colin@CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:56:41PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:56:41PM -0500, Colin Allen wrote: > Just to clarify, the USA also includes Canada in this context:). > > Colin (now awaiting the brickbats from that cold, cold country) Not! In this context *only*, if it hadn't included Canada, that's when you'd have been hearing howls of anguish. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Mar 12 15:37:57 2003 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:37:57 -0000 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: My first posting for ooooh - a year either i've missed a posting or i'm the first according to blueoystercult.com the band are playing the following dates: All June 2 Wavedon Milton Keynes, The Stables 3 Leeds, England Irish Centre 4 Nottingham, England Rock City 5 Southampton, England The Brook 6 London, England The Astoria 7 Swansea, Wales Patti Pavilion 8 Wolverhampton Robin 2 9 Aberdeen, Scotland Lemon Tree 10 Glasgow, Scotland Renfrew Ferry 11 Manchester, England Live Cafe 12 Newcastle, England Opera House .......Charles the grinning boy From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Mar 12 15:51:26 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:26 -0500 Subject: British tour In-Reply-To: <002201c2e8d7$43f46ce0$3dfa0750@r5g8u8> Message-ID: You missed the postings but there is nothing wrong with keeping the BOC jive going!! Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Charlie Grant Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:38 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: BOC: British tour My first posting for ooooh - a year either i've missed a posting or i'm the first according to blueoystercult.com the band are playing the following dates: All June 2 Wavedon Milton Keynes, The Stables 3 Leeds, England Irish Centre 4 Nottingham, England Rock City 5 Southampton, England The Brook 6 London, England The Astoria 7 Swansea, Wales Patti Pavilion 8 Wolverhampton Robin 2 9 Aberdeen, Scotland Lemon Tree 10 Glasgow, Scotland Renfrew Ferry 11 Manchester, England Live Cafe 12 Newcastle, England Opera House .......Charles the grinning boy From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 16:35:41 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:35:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Many Hawkfans there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > On 11 Mar 2003 at 17:56, Colin Allen wrote: > > Date sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:56:41 -0500 > Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > From: Colin Allen > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Just to clarify, the USA also includes Canada in this context:). > > > > Colin (now awaiting the brickbats from that cold, cold country) > > How 'bout Mexico? > > theo > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 16:39:53 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:39:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: So where should we play in Toronto, Eric? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:56:41PM -0500, Colin Allen wrote: > > Just to clarify, the USA also includes Canada in this context:). > > > > Colin (now awaiting the brickbats from that cold, cold country) > > Not! In this context *only*, if it hadn't included Canada, > that's when you'd have been hearing howls of anguish. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, > because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. > - Leslie Lamport > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Mar 12 16:50:20 2003 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:50:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Colin- Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's been too long!! I know for a fact that there are many fans in California. Dan From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 16:56:25 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:56:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Colin- > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's been too > long!! I know for a fact that there are > many fans in California. > > Dan > From cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET Wed Mar 12 17:09:25 2003 From: cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET (cosmicdolphin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:09:25 -0600 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Don't Forget Chicago ;-) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). > > Cheers, > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > Colin- > > > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's been > too > > long!! I know for a fact that there are > > many fans in California. > > > > Dan > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 17:09:33 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:09:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Now, would we? ----- Original Message ----- From: "cosmicdolphin" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Don't Forget Chicago ;-) > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Colin- > > > > > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's been > > too > > > long!! I know for a fact that there are > > > many fans in California. > > > > > > Dan > > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Mar 12 17:55:11 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:55:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: I suppose mentioning Cleveland would be dumb too. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Now, would we? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cosmicdolphin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > Don't Forget Chicago ;-) > > > > Rich > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Colin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > Colin- > > > > > > > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's > been > > > too > > > > long!! I know for a fact that there are > > > > many fans in California. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 17:57:54 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:57:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Only if you cannot let me know a possible venue (offline). Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > I suppose mentioning Cleveland would be dumb too. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > Now, would we? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cosmicdolphin" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:09 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Don't Forget Chicago ;-) > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Colin- > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's > > been > > > > too > > > > > long!! I know for a fact that there are > > > > > many fans in California. > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Mar 12 19:05:47 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:05:47 -0700 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <006e01c2e8e2$3a908d40$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: And on the way to the west coast, make a stop in Santa Fe. Could always do a benefit show for our Tibetan community... mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Colin J Allen Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > Colin- > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. It's been too > long!! I know for a fact that there are > many fans in California. > > Dan > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Mar 12 19:30:59 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:30:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Florida,Florida,Florida (that' 3 votes for Florida) tim Colin J Allen wrote: > > Only if you cannot let me know a possible venue (offline). > > Cheers, > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe Lindas" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > I suppose mentioning Cleveland would be dumb too. Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:09 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > Now, would we? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "cosmicdolphin" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > Don't Forget Chicago ;-) > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have made contact with a promoter from the west coast:). > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:50 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Colin- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully there are plans to visit the west coast of the U.S. > It's > > > been > > > > > too > > > > > > long!! I know for a fact that there are > > > > > > many fans in California. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Mar 12 22:48:01 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:48:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:15:59 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: >Mine just arrived yesterday, too. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mine came today. This has to be one of the best live albums, an absolute must-have. Of course it meant the enforced death of my audience-taped CDR of the occasion, and I can *prove* I didn't just trash my kid's Hanson CD! http://www.starfarer.net/gigreview4.html , down at the bottom of the page. (I discovered that a reasonably solid pair of craft scissors will cut up a CD nicely...) Steve From kg at THING.DE Thu Mar 13 02:38:45 2003 From: kg at THING.DE (kgerwers) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:38:45 +0100 Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: test - please ignore From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 13 07:31:51 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:31:51 -0000 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: Anyone have any idea if we should just turn up at this venue on the night, or if we should get tickets beforehand? If beforehand - where? Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Grant > 10 Glasgow, Scotland Renfrew Ferry From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 13 06:40:26 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:40:26 EDT Subject: BOC: British tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Mar 2003 at 12:31, Chris Allen wrote: > Anyone have any idea if we should just turn up at this venue on the > night, or if we should get tickets beforehand? If beforehand - where? > > Chris. My memory's a bit hazy, but I think some of the gigs on the last tour sold out early... theo From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Thu Mar 13 04:34:32 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:34:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: The question is: why do people like music? I've been a music fanatic since 8th grade, getting into bands like Queen, Duran Duran, Genesis, A-Ha, Phil Collins, Dire Straits and other contemporaries at the time (mid-80's). I was also a big MTV fanatic and picked up on bands I liked like Siouxie & The Banshees, Julian Cope, The Stranglers, Sisters Of Mercy, The Cult, Bryan Ferry, The Cure, Marillion and others in the late 80's, watching SKY Channel, SUPER Channel and MTV Europe on a daily basis. I had gotten into Hawkwind in my first year of high school as a Moorcock fanatic, picking up "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" in 1988 on Flicknife. I soon got "The Xenon Codex" and "British Tribal Music" and "In Search Of Space" on CD. In the early 90's I started watching 120 Minutes on MTV and picked up on bands like Sun Dial, My Bloody Valentine, Spiritualized and Ship Of Fools, also reading music papers like NME and Melody Maker. The whole "grunge" revolution affected me as well as my friends, everybody owning a copy of Nirvana's "Nevermind" album at some stage, a big hit to say the least, with everyone being into Husker Du or The Pixies picking up on Nirvana and such. I saw Pearl Jam in Oslo in 1992. I got into Monster Magnet in 1991 with "Spine Of God" and was a big fan of Soundgarden and Mudhoney as well. My first live show was Lenny Kravitz with Stress in 1989 and my first Hawkwind show was at the same venue in Oslo, The Alaska, in 1991. In 1992 I picked up Faith No More's "Angel Dust" and immediately was hooked. This was something else. I had already seen their videos on MTV and such from "The Real Thing" in 1989 and 1990 but this was a big change as Mike Patton had matured as a vocalist and frontman. I soon got the Chuck Mosley era discs too like "Introduce Yourself" and "We Care Alot". My first FNM show was attended in 1993 with my friend Espen. I also saw Motorhead a bunch of times throughout the 90's, mostly alone, as I never seemed to convince my friends to like the, except for a show in New Jersey with a couple of friends from Kubert where I studied art and my girlfriend, Dorothea. It was a very romantic evening to say the least at the Stone Pony in NJ. I had seen plenty of bands in Oslo during the early 90s, bands like Faith No More, Kingmaker, Teenage Fanclub, K?re & The Cavemen, O-Men, The God Machine, Seigmen, Bel Canto, Ym: Stammen, Cranes, and many others. I saw Marilyn Manson in NJ in 1995 with Daisy Cutter and Mental Hippie Blood with a bunch of friends from Kubert. I saw Hawkwind again in New York at The Limelight in 1995 and was astounded at Ron Bastard as a manic frontman, reminding me of something like Johnny Rotten fronting The Sex Pistols again. I interviewed Nik Turner in 1998 in Hamburg with Scott Heller when we went to see him playing with The Moor and Knut Gerwers. Bands I saw in the latter part of the 90's in Oslo ranged from Voivod, Fu Manchu, Cathedral, Kula Shaker, Orange Goblin, Black Sabbath, Legendary Pink Dots and Laibach. I have to say as an MTV Generation spokesperson that music is alive and well still in the 21st century! The question remains: why do people like me and others like myself go to such lengths to see a band live or find just the right album or live recording? Are we as crazy as we were in our younger years about music? The answer would be YES. Chr. From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Thu Mar 13 08:08:10 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:08:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C_dreams?= Message-ID: Last night I had a dream about B?C. I dreamt that I still lived in Oslo and that there was a Blue ?yster Cult show at an outdoor festival held at Karl Johans gt. near the royal palace park in the middle of Oslo city. The show was attended by many punks and I met a few girls. I was invited to watch the latest 3 B?C videos with Eric Bloom and Buck Dharma and the other guys in the band at Bloom's parents apt. in Oslo where he lived with the other guys in the band. His mother served drinks. They were awesome videos, I remember. It felt like Oslo had become NYC and that I was my old design teacher Judy Mates as a city punk. Then we went back to the show which was awesome as well, the stage being huge, and it was great to be alive in the city of Oslo as a punk with all these girls (I remember a short haired blonde punk girl I had the hots for). Two years ago I also had another B?C dream. I dreamt that I was interviewing Buck Dharma by a rack of Michael Moorcock books and that I was looking for Jello Biafra who was an editor. His office was in the back in a small room by the lavatories of the bookstore, but he wasn't in so I left and had another appointment made. I guess I made the appointment last night with B?C! Anyone else have interesting Hawkwind or Blue ?yster Cult dreams? Perhaps B?C or Hawkwind should do a concept album on the subject's many mysteries... Chr. From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 13 08:11:02 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:11:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Um, well, there is the city of Opa-Locka, a Miami suburb that apparently has no connection to the track from WOTEOT. Don't know of any venues there. In West Palm I am wondering if the Carefree theater might be suitable... I know some other hawkfans in the area that I could check with... > Florida,Florida,Florida (that' 3 votes for Florida) > tim > Colin J Allen wrote: > > > > Only if you cannot let me know a possible venue (offline). From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 08:40:51 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:40:51 +0800 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: I started getting interested in rock music whe I was in high school back in the early 70's in NSW, Australia (I'm now at the other side, WA). Back then the shows on TV that probably introduced me to it, was Saturday morning music shows. My early interests were bands from the UK glam rock scene, such as The Sweet, T Rex, Bowie, etc.. After that I started to get into slightly heavier bands like Uriah Heep & Status Quo, then progressing some more with Deep Purple. I heard a lot of these bands through the radio here which, back then was rather progressive. The radio also introduced me to Pink Floyd with Echoes (I'd heard Pink Floyd before then, but not REALLY heard them!), Queen (with Queen II played in it's entirety), Tangerine Dream & then, of course, Hawkwind!!! The first concert I ever saw was The Glitterband (who are far better without Gary). The 2nd was the Sweet, then Status Quo. The next, if memory serves me right, was Deep Purple (with Tommy Bolin on guitar). Others I saw include Queen, Rainbow (with Dio), Black Sabbath (with Dio), and many, many more. Being from that era, I never got into anything really from the MTV Generation (let alone never seeing MTV until recently), as for me a lot of the music from the 80's onwards (there are exceptions though) never broke any new grounds, with most of them doing things I've seen done much better long before then. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Mumford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: OFF: The MTV generation > The question is: why do people like music? I've been a music fanatic > since 8th grade, getting into bands like Queen, Duran Duran, Genesis, > A-Ha, Phil Collins, Dire Straits and other contemporaries at the time > (mid-80's). I was also a big MTV fanatic and picked up on bands I liked > like Siouxie & The Banshees, Julian Cope, The Stranglers, Sisters Of > Mercy, The Cult, Bryan Ferry, The Cure, Marillion and others in the late > 80's, watching SKY Channel, SUPER Channel and MTV Europe on a daily > basis. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 13 08:42:26 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:42:26 -0000 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: I've just had a look at the Renfrew Ferry site, and the BOC tickets are ?20! ?20 ?! Does this seem excessive or am I just getting frugal in my old age? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > On 13 Mar 2003 at 12:31, Chris Allen wrote: > > > > Anyone have any idea if we should just turn up at this venue on the > > night, or if we should get tickets beforehand? If beforehand - where? > > > > Chris. > > My memory's a bit hazy, but I think some of the gigs on the last tour sold out early... > > theo > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 13 08:47:41 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:47:41 -0000 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: I've always wondered - what did "Come Taste the Band" sound like? I've never seen it anywhere and I'd like to know if it's any good. I' like DP Mk1 as much as Mk2, and I'm quite fond of Mk3's Burn, but what of Mk4? Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The MTV generation > The next, if memory serves me > right, was Deep Purple (with Tommy Bolin on guitar). From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Mar 13 08:56:13 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: B=?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=C dreams In-Reply-To: <3E7082BA.5010104@netscape.net> Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > Anyone else have interesting Hawkwind or Blue ?yster Cult dreams? > Perhaps B?C or Hawkwind should do a concept album on the subject's many > mysteries... Well, there's the most famous BOC dream...the one Mike Watt had. I dreamed I was E. Bloom But I woke up Joe Bouchard In some town out on the road With patent-leather boots on Just like Richard told me Another hack on the "Spectres" tour Brian NP> "North Circular" The Bevis Frond From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 13 08:02:28 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:02:28 EDT Subject: BOC: British tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Mar 2003 at 13:42, Chris Allen wrote: > I've just had a look at the Renfrew Ferry site, and the BOC tickets > are ?20! ?20 ?! Does this seem excessive or am I just getting frugal > in my old age? > What's that, about 35 bucks USD? Yeah, I usually see them in bars for $15-20. But the nearby casino charges up to $50 to see them, so I guess you aren't doing too bad with it. Think of it this way: when's the next time you're likely to see them? Who knows how much longer they'll keep touring anyway? BD has hinted that they could retire in a couple years... theo From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 13 09:19:48 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:19:48 -0000 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: Yeah, I realize that each time they play in th UK could be the past, so I'll shell out the beans and not begrudge it. I hope there isn't any tempting merchandise or I could broke myself....what with the plane flight to get there in the first place... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > On 13 Mar 2003 at 13:42, Chris Allen wrote: > > > I've just had a look at the Renfrew Ferry site, and the BOC tickets > > are ?20! ?20 ?! Does this seem excessive or am I just getting frugal > > in my old age? > > > What's that, about 35 bucks USD? Yeah, I usually see them in bars for $15-20. > But the nearby casino charges up to $50 to see them, so I guess you aren't doing > too bad with it. Think of it this way: when's the next time you're likely to see them? > Who knows how much longer they'll keep touring anyway? BD has hinted that they > could retire in a couple years... > > theo > From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Thu Mar 13 09:06:33 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: >I've always wondered - what did "Come Taste the Band" sound like? I've >never seen it anywhere and I'd like to know if it's any good. I' like DP >Mk1 as much as Mk2, and I'm quite fond of Mk3's Burn, but what of Mk4? > >Chris. > > DP MK4 isn't bad at all. I like most of their stuff (judging from compilations I've had). My fave has to be MK 2 and MK3. MK1 is good too, IMO. Chr. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 09:35:43 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:35:43 +0800 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: I cannot remember exactly what it's like, as I never really got into the Coverdale\Hughes era as much, so I haven't heard it for a long time. What I do remember though is that Blackmore was quite right in leaving after Stormbringer (which was too funky, as he put it), but I think Come Taste The Band was slightly better. In other words, the 2nd worst Purple album, in my view. William PS Saw the band at that stage partly out of loyalty, partly because it was obvious it was their last tour for a long, long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The MTV generation > I've always wondered - what did "Come Taste the Band" sound like? I've > never seen it anywhere and I'd like to know if it's any good. I' like DP > Mk1 as much as Mk2, and I'm quite fond of Mk3's Burn, but what of Mk4? > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Duffy > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: The MTV generation > > > > The next, if memory serves me > > right, was Deep Purple (with Tommy Bolin on guitar). > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 09:45:19 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:45:19 +0800 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: Burn was really the last Purple album of the 70's, & even though Come Taste the band was slightly better than Stormbringer, It was really to late to ave the band by then. I believe the reason the MK4 lineup made an improvement on Stormbringer though was down to the fact that Paice, Lord & Coverdale could see exactly why Blackmore had left, & could also see the focus of the band changing, so they made some drastic measures to rectify things, though I think it was already too late. William PS Tommy Bolin made 2 solo albums around that time as well that were quite good, & the early Whitesnake albums were almost like how Deep Purple should have gone (until Coverdale ruined all that by replacing what he believed to be an aging backing band with Bon Jovi lookalikes!). > beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > > >I've always wondered - what did "Come Taste the Band" sound like? I've > >never seen it anywhere and I'd like to know if it's any good. I' like DP > >Mk1 as much as Mk2, and I'm quite fond of Mk3's Burn, but what of Mk4? > > > >Chris. > > > > > > DP MK4 isn't bad at all. I like most of their stuff (judging from > compilations I've had). My fave has to be MK 2 and MK3. MK1 is good too, > IMO. > > Chr. > > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Mar 13 10:12:12 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:12:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: boc dreamspeil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Well, there's the most famous BOC dream...the one Mike Watt had. > >I dreamed I was E. Bloom >But I woke up Joe Bouchard >In some town out on the road >With patent-leather boots on >Just like Richard told me >Another hack on the "Spectres" tour I always liked the fact that in the liner notes for that disc, the band notes after seeing BOC sometime in the Rick Downey era, they noted the lyric should be changed to "I dreamed I was E. Bloom But I woke up as E.Bloom." I think that would change it into a nightmare.. (grin) Speaking of which, Watt and the Secondmen (drum and hammond organ+his bass) are on tour this spring for his new album, based on Dante and his own health-related experiences. Good stuff. Jason From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Mar 13 10:46:14 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:46:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) Message-ID: All this talk about Purple reminds me that I've seen adverts for a 30 years of DP concert. (Strange as its 34+years?) Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd Skynrd are supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the current line up ? Last year there was rumour of reforming MkII 'one last time'..... Neil. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 10:52:05 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:52:05 +0800 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) Message-ID: I read recently that Jon Lord had this idea of getting a lot of ex-members together for a 'Hawkestra' type of show! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: OFF: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) > All this talk about Purple reminds me that I've seen adverts for a 30 > years of DP concert. (Strange as its 34+years?) > > Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd Skynrd are > supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the current line up ? > > Last year there was rumour of reforming MkII 'one last time'..... > > Neil. > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 13 11:21:58 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:21:58 +0100 Subject: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) Message-ID: Neil asked... > All this talk about Purple reminds me that I've seen adverts for a 30 > years of DP concert. (Strange as its 34+years?) 1967-2003...36 or 37 really. "Smoke on the Water" is over 30 alone. Ah, wait! Maybe it's 30 years, non-continuously...like 1967-76, and then 1984-2003. I bet that's it. > Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd > Skynrd are supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the > current line up ? There are some past DP people *in* the current lineup! These days, that doesn't even seem to be required for a band to go on tour! But maybe Jon Lord will show up or something. He 'retired' from DP last year, but I thought that was because he wasn't into touring any more now that he's 100 years old and the size of a walrus. But then it was just pointed out here that he just went to Australia for a strange Concerto concert thing. That apparently was no bloody good. > Last year there was rumour of reforming MkII 'one last time'..... Really? Seems highly improbable, though in five years' time, they'll prove me wrong. When they, Black Sabbath, and BOC are all inducted into the RnRHoF! (Yeah, right!) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Y&T is back again! They're coming to CH soon. 'Rock and Roll's Gonna Save the World!' I think Diamond Head is too (again). And as already mentioned, Procol Harum minus Trower as well. P.P.S. Neil Young's Canadian isn't he? What the heck was he saying about 'we' going to bomb people in Iraq then...or are they in on it too? Maybe he should sing 'God Bless America' too. Perhaps a duet with Celine Dion (or Avril Lavigne if he would rather pull a Carlos Santana). :) P.P.P.S. On the first page of the "News in Brief" archives at the Onion, is a very funny umlauts-in-rock parody, with no BOC reference but at least a Motorhead one. See here... http://www.theonion.com/archive/archive_nib.html From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 13 10:34:49 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:34:49 EDT Subject: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Mar 2003 at 17:21, Henderson Keith wrote: > > Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd > > Skynrd are supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the > > current line up ? > > There are some past DP people *in* the current lineup! These days, > that doesn't even seem to be required for a band to go on tour! But > maybe Jon Lord will show up or something. He 'retired' from DP last > year, but I thought that was because he wasn't into touring any more > now that he's 100 years old and the size of a walrus. Hey, there's several members of Skynyrd that fit that description! Maybe they can sort of shuffle the 2 lineups? theo From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 13 12:24:44 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:24:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: MC5 advertising jeans Message-ID: Interesting, if a little depressing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,912932,00.html At least they're making some money at last. Nick From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Thu Mar 13 12:39:13 2003 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:39:13 -0500 Subject: MC5 advertising jeans Message-ID: > Interesting, if a little depressing: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,912932,00.html > > At least they're making some money at last. > > Nick a nicely heated debate about this very issue is (sadly) open for all to read on waynekramer.com 's message boards. Last I looked, no word from the man on this. MC5 news, part II: Little steven's underground garage played Sonic's Renezvous Bands "Street Slang" and Wanye's "great big amp" back to back, preceeded by a story about "Shakin' Street." Before rolling the final credits for the show, Steve played the intrumental version of "looking at you" under his speil (i think it was the one on HUMAN BEING LAWNMOWER best-of). Brother J. 'Sonic' Scruton From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 13 12:40:21 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Great Sun Quester) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:40:21 -0500 Subject: HW: BOC: New releases Message-ID: Just got an ad from a big online retailer listing titles that will be released on Tuesday March 18 - one is BOC - Then and Now - already discussed here, and another is: Hawkwind : Complete Set Lake Shore Records Book & CD Anyone have a clue what the HW release is? A quick web-search turns up nada. Stephan From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 13 12:29:27 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:29:27 +0100 Subject: The MTV generation (sorry, long) Message-ID: CM queries... > The question is: why do people like music? I've been a music fanatic > since 8th grade, getting into bands like Queen, Duran Duran, NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) But ok, I consider the entire early 80s to be one gigantic unmitigated disaster...I took refuge in unknown-in-the-US bands like Marillion, Diamond Head, Saxon, & Scorps/Rainbow/Whitesnake (who did eventually find massive audiences in the US once Randy Rhoads made it all possible with a little name-recognition-help from one pre-doddering self- proclaimed Prince of Darkness, but by then they'd been watered down to the same pathetic mysogynistic brand of hair metal that fought against the horribly insipid synth-pop of Thompson Twins et al. for MTV supremacy, and thankfully, as indicated below, created some sort of matter-antimatter sonic explosion that wiped both from the charts simultaneously about 1988). Of course, I also waited breathlessly for every new HW album to come in the mail from California, like Sonic Attack, CYM and CoH. Oh, and to link to the latest RnRHoF induction, I was quite fond of the Police (mainly the reggae-rockers, esp. due to Copeland's drumming who I've always liked), and actually saw them in 1981 (?), which I think was my third concert (after Judas Priest/ Whitesnake/Iron Maiden triple bill, and Rainbow w/ Riot). Bow Wow Wow was the opener. "I Want Candy!" Oh, and I liked Y&T and Queensryche quite a lot too, though again, recent spinnings of their catalogs don't quite come across like they used to. Still the Mindcrime piece is a great thing. And I guess I'll repeat once more my thought that bands like the Clash, Police, REM, and U2, that not only were huge in the early-mid 80s but are also highly regarded still (unlike New Wave and Hair Metal, Bon Jovi's continued popularity against all odds notwithstanding), is mainly due to having almost zero 'competition.' I mean, *some* music from every half-decade has to continue to be memorable-without-embarassment to all those people who happened to be 16 yrs. old at that time! And I doubt 30-somethings are really going to still kick back to a little Flock of Seagulls or the like. Though perhaps I underestimate the staying power of bad taste! Si House *really* worked with Thomas Dolby? Sheez...that's as bad as Huwy with Leo Sayer! :) > The whole "grunge" revolution affected me as well as my friends, > everybody owning a copy of Nirvana's "Nevermind" album at some stage, > a big hit to say the least, with everyone being into Husker Du or > The Pixies picking up on Nirvana and such. Yeah, me, too, 'cause it seemed that *finally* something with some courage was showing up to shake up the whole global scene that had gone so horribly jaded. So I remember purchasing "Nevermind" when I only had heard about it from a friend (they hadn't made it onto radio yet, as least in Cleveland), and thinking that it was OK but there were similar bands with more interesting music and the same level of energy. Like the Buck Pets, from Dallas TX on Island Records, who for some reason never found an audience. During this time, I saw the Replacements, Soul Asylum (pre-Runaway Train...ich!, with just a handful of others), Bob Mould, and even some non-Minnesota bands like Jane's Addiction w/ Rollins (yikes!), the aforementioned Buck Pets, and 13 Engines (Toronto). As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well already. I'm not even sure that I can really think of Janes' "Nothing Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy piece of plastic. I find myself actually preferring the pseudo-psychedelic experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working for them). What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway? Waiting for the inevitable Jane's reunion? Or has he already died from heroin overdose? Oh, yeah, as I've occasionally mentioned here, I was oddly taken by 10,000 Maniacs early material (1983-89), which I thought was a wonderfully bizarre mixture of reggae, 'alternative,' and folk. But their commercial breakthrough "In My Tribe" is starting to lose its luster in my mind, though I still retain my full interest in the first three albums. And also "Our Time in Eden," the last album before Merchant split (for the purpose of making the world's worst music ever it seems) I find interesting still. He was underutilized greatly most times, but Rob Buck was a very interesting and creative guitar player...sadly the band died with him. I like Talking Heads too, who I think were probably a strong early influence on 10KM. > I have to say as an MTV Generation spokesperson that music is alive > and well still in the 21st century! The question remains: why do > people like me and others like myself go to such lengths to see a band > live or find just the right album or live recording? Are we as crazy > as we were in our younger years about music? The answer would be YES. Well, to go back to the very first line of text in this message that you posed... I don't think the majority of people really experience music to its full extent, and so they don't really care so much about it. I mean, many people I've known over the years seem to only listen to music superficially and so they don't really know or care what it is they're listening to...so if music comes on that is challenging or outside their life experience to that date, they don't have the interest in trying to make sense out of it. It just isn't important enough for them to care about. (I can come up with a lot of things that I feel the same way about (e.g., movies), but that others are passionately into... so I guess it's not so surprising.) But for some of us (at least me), music enters our consciousness completely and so it becomes 'entwined' (or something) in our active mind at the expense of most other stimuli (in my case at least). And so for me, listening to music is 'doing something' in and of itself. I think this is reasonably rare...at least I think that I experience music far more personally and 'emotionally' (I suppose) than the vast majority of people. Which is probably not unrelated to the fact that I also experience other forms of art (or simple communication for that matter) far *less* vividly. Esp. if it requires a connection to be made between one another. I dunno...I don't ever feel like I 'connect' to the musicians...the music that I hear in my head could just as well have been created there. That's even true when I'm at a concert, though of course the visual aspect can also help to create a certain atmosphere. But still, for me it's really the music itself that makes it 'alive.' And if I close my eyes (and I sometimes do), it really is much the same for me. Anyway, perhaps I'm talking nonsense, but I do think there's a connection between my fondness for 'my' music and the fact that my brain seems so internally focussed. I have a hard time seeing 'outside of my mind,' but since music easily enters it and can be 'processed,' then it's something that I can analyze (if I care to) and enjoy (at any level). And I like to hear music for *all* of its various properties... despite the apparent narrowness of my tastes (that some often accuse me of), I can come up with a song/album/artist/whatever that accentuates just about any adjective one can suggest to describe music in all its 'voices.' Something for every mood that I might have. Grakkl (FAA), who's always wished to be synaesthetic (in a 'colors-in- music' way), but not enough to ever have tried the artificial way of doing it...i.e., LSD. P.S. Oh yeah, fIREHOSE was great too, to link up to the other thread about dreams and BOC. I saw them in Columbus, when I actually still lived in Cleveland, and I think that was the first time I ever bought merchandise from a member of the band itself...none other than Mike Watt was the one selling me my "Totem Pole" t-shirt. I think they may have done Red & Black on that night too. P.P.S. I used to have dreams all the time about unknown record stores that had racks full of Hawkwind albums, a bunch of which I had never seen before. And I'd always be panicking, 'cause I never had enough money to buy them all and I didn't think I'd ever be back to that store again. I wish I could remember all the weird titles and weird cover art that was on those lost albums of my dreams, 'cause they were quite vivid at the time. Although in the end, they *all* would have turned out to be reissues* of 'Yuri Gagarin.' :) I also remember a reoccurring dream in a record store where the whole ceiling was giving way and a giant pile of dust and debris was falling on the record bins, but I was undeterred and fighting my way through it into the "H" Misc. section. Or perhaps that one was real. :) *I think these dreams occurred before the endless reissuing began tho'. P.P.P.S. To link to that other thread about H bands that you always saw and wondered about while searching for Hawkwind albums in Misc. bins, for me it was Horslips. To this day, I still don't have any clue who this band is/was! But I'd recognize their LPs in a second. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Mar 13 10:39:58 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:39:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: The MTV generation Message-ID: Come Taste the Band It's a great album, though I wouldn't necessarily call it a Deep Purple album. Tommy Bolin (a crafty guitaris), David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes on vocals are a departrure from previous DP styles - leaning a bit towards the jazzy and funk side, though still keeping it all in a hard rock vein. That leaves Ian Paice Jon Lord as the only original members. Keyboard are not as prominent on this album as are the vocals and guitars. It's got a few tunes worthy of cranking up the stereo - especially the first track. Definitely worth getting. A few clips can be checked out here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005RTG/ref=pd_sbs_m_1/103- 1406579-4804631?v=glance&s=music From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Thu Mar 13 13:04:34 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:04:34 +0100 Subject: The MTV generation (sorry, long) Message-ID: keith.henderson at PSI.CH wrote: > >P.P.S. I used to have dreams all the time about unknown record stores >that had racks full of Hawkwind albums, a bunch of which I had never >seen before. And I'd always be panicking, 'cause I never had enough >money to buy them all and I didn't think I'd ever be back to that store >again. I wish I could remember all the weird titles and weird cover >art that was on those lost albums of my dreams, 'cause they were quite >vivid at the time. Although in the end, they *all* would have turned >out to be reissues* of 'Yuri Gagarin.' :) I also remember a reoccurring >dream in a record store where the whole ceiling was giving way and a >giant pile of dust and debris was falling on the record bins, but I >was undeterred and fighting my way through it into the "H" Misc. section. >Or perhaps that one was real. :) > >*I think these dreams occurred before the endless reissuing began tho'. > > I've always been a fanatic about Hawkwind and am the same way about the "H" section in record stores. Have to take a look and see if there is something new! >P.P.P.S. To link to that other thread about H bands that you always >saw and wondered about while searching for Hawkwind albums in Misc. >bins, for me it was Horslips. To this day, I still don't have any clue >who this band is/was! But I'd recognize their LPs in a second. > > Haha. With me it was/is The Hatters. They must suck. And Hanson. Chr. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 13 13:24:17 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Happy To Meet) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:24:17 -0500 Subject: The MTV generation (sorry, long) Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:29:27 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >P.P.P.S. To link to that other thread about H bands that you always >saw and wondered about while searching for Hawkwind albums in Misc. >bins, for me it was Horslips. To this day, I still don't have any clue >who this band is/was! But I'd recognize their LPs in a second. Short answer is that Horslips were a very good (though somewhat uneven - but then who isn't) Irish rock band whose albums had varying degrees of Irish folk influence. Comparisions thrown about are usually Jethro Tull from the rock side and Steeleye Span/Fairport Convention from the folk-rock side. I rate at least 2 of their albums (The Tain and Book of Invasions) as excellent and both are highly recommended, and just about all of their material prior to their eventual slide into attempted mass-market accessibility at the end of the 70's has much to recommend it. Stephan From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 13 14:04:42 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:04:42 -0500 Subject: The Hatters In-Reply-To: <3E70C832.9010701@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:04:34PM +0100, Christian Mumford wrote: => >P.P.P.S. To link to that other thread about H bands that you always => >saw and wondered about while searching for Hawkwind albums in Misc. => >bins, for me it was Horslips. To this day, I still don't have any clue => >who this band is/was! But I'd recognize their LPs in a second. => > => Haha. With me it was/is The Hatters. They must suck. Funnily enough, I believe I have an album by The Hatters, that I picked up either free or incredibly cheaply from the Record Exchange's stall at Steppin' Out one Summer. I don't remember what it's called, but I dimly recall it having either an aubergine or an avocado on the front. I also don't remember much about what it sounds like (so I can't say whether "they suck"), as I haven't listened to it in a long while. Again, my recollection is that it is in the "jam band" vein a la Screaming Cheetah Wheelies, Cry of Love, et al. Maybe a professed ex hippie like yourself might actually like it? ;-) I guess I should try and give it a spin one of these days. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET Thu Mar 13 15:10:58 2003 From: cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET (cosmicdolphin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:10:58 -0600 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: I would be pay ?20 to see anyone at the renfrew Ferry, it's a fantastic venue. I've seen Gong and Ozric Tentacles there, and it's simply magical. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:42 AM Subject: Re: BOC: British tour I've just had a look at the Renfrew Ferry site, and the BOC tickets are ?20! ?20 ?! Does this seem excessive or am I just getting frugal in my old age? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > On 13 Mar 2003 at 12:31, Chris Allen wrote: > > > > Anyone have any idea if we should just turn up at this venue on the > > night, or if we should get tickets beforehand? If beforehand - where? > > > > Chris. > > My memory's a bit hazy, but I think some of the gigs on the last tour sold out early... > > theo > From cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET Thu Mar 13 15:28:43 2003 From: cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET (cosmicdolphin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:28:43 -0600 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: You should make that into a t shirt Steve :-) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cantebury 2001 > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:15:59 -0500, Doug Pearson > wrote: > > >Mine just arrived yesterday, too. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mine came today. This has to be one of the best live albums, an absolute > must-have. Of course it meant the enforced death of my audience-taped CDR > of the occasion, and I can *prove* I didn't just trash my kid's Hanson > CD! http://www.starfarer.net/gigreview4.html , down at the bottom of the > page. (I discovered that a reasonably solid pair of craft scissors will > cut up a CD nicely...) > > Steve From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Mar 13 15:38:34 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:38:34 -0500 Subject: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) In-Reply-To: ; from keith.henderson@PSI.CH on Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:21:58PM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:21:58PM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: > P.P.S. Neil Young's Canadian isn't he? What the heck was he saying > about 'we' going to bomb people in Iraq then... Originally yes, but he's lived in California since ... I don't know, but I suspect ever since the Buffalo Springfield days. That's pretty much his whole his adult life. It'd be a bit weird if he didn't at least partially self-identify as American by now. > or are they in on it > too? Christ I hope not! Last I heard, we're sitting on the fence -- staying out of Iraq per se, but sending more people into Afghanistan instead. That'll relieve American troops, who can then be redeployed you-know-where... > Maybe he should sing 'God Bless America' too. Maybe he does. I bet he accompanies it with some bitchin' guitar work :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 13 15:59:26 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:59:26 -0500 Subject: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:38:34 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:21:58PM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >> P.P.S. Neil Young's Canadian isn't he? What the heck was he saying >> about 'we' going to bomb people in Iraq then... > >Originally yes, but he's lived in California since ... I don't >know, but I suspect ever since the Buffalo Springfield days. >That's pretty much his whole his adult life. He lives in Woodside, which is up in the Santa Cruz Mountains, less than an hour from San Francisco. (My ex-boss is the godmother of his kids. Another ex-boss of mine is now touring the USA in a pop/punk band where he plays to kids half his age or less - they don't care 'cause they're all staring at the guitarist/singer, who is probably sick TO DEATH of Avril comparisons by now, speaking of Canadian musicians...) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Mar 13 18:11:32 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:11:32 -0500 Subject: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records In-Reply-To: <200303131740.MAA04086@listserv.spc.edu>; from stemfors@PIPELINE.COM on Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:40:21PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:40:21PM -0500, Great Sun Quester wrote: > Hawkwind : Complete Set > Lake Shore Records > Book & CD > Anyone have a clue what the HW release is? A quick web-search turns up nada. A search on Lake Shore Records turned up: - a Madonna compilation, with a book - a Led Zep compilation, with a book - an Elvis compilation, with a book Hmmm, there does seem to be a pattern emerging :-) Also: - Queens of the Stone Age - "Queens of the Stone Age" -- which Amazon says is on Loose Groove Records! - A Rocky Horror CD, panned here: http://www.rockymusic.org/cds/toronto.html - no official Internet presence that I could find Judging by all that, but especially by the RHPS review, it looks like another dodgy comp. Out of Toronto this time, it shames me to say. Oh yeah, LSR also has no listing in the Toronto phone book. Nor is there one for Audio Visual Concepts, where the RHS CD was "Produced, engineered, mixed and digitally recorded by Michael White". (Long and McQuades is for real, but they're just a big music store -- instruments and studio gear, that is, not CDs. No reason to assume any non-arms-length involvement there.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Mar 13 13:47:08 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:47:08 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Disconnection Notice - Bailing out in style Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Disconnection Notice Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:38:03 +0000 From: Ben Fagin To: various-others at blueyonder.co.uk Hello All, My Telewest & Blueyonder Services are due to be disconnected tommorrow 14th March 2003. I will be available as follows: Home: 020 8450 1913 Mobile: 07817 775360 Email: 55017 at vulcanfoundry.fsnet.co.uk Thank You Ben ------------------------------------------------------- From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 13 19:35:37 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:35:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: MC5 advertising jeans Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:24:44 -0500, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: >Interesting, if a little depressing: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,912932,00.html > >At least they're making some money at last. Not as depressing as seeing a photo of some boy-band guy (Justin Timberlake, maybe?) on the cover of a magazine, wearing an MC5 t-shirt, which I would assume is one of the Levi's ones referred to in the article ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Mar 13 20:51:15 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:51:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Cantebury 2001 Message-ID: It wouldn't cover my beer gut and the edges are a bit jagged anyway ------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:28:43 -0600, cosmicdolphin wrote: >You should make that into a t shirt Steve :-) > >Rich > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Youles" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:48 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Cantebury 2001 I discovered that a reasonably solid pair of craft scissors will cut up a CD nicely... From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 13 22:57:26 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:57:26 -0500 Subject: The MTV generation (sorry, long) Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:29:27 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: > >CM queries... > >> The question is: why do people like music? I've been a music fanatic >> since 8th grade, getting into bands like Queen, Duran Duran, > >NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely >coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered >recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the >reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran >Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and >Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) What's with all the hataz here?!? :^) I'm *proud* of the fact that my current band covers the Hawklords AND Johnny Cash! And a previous band that covered "Psi Power" also had Merle Haggard and Loretta Lynn songs in our repertoire. Judging country music based on the likes of Kenny Rogers and Garth Brooks would be like judging rock music based on Air Supply and Bon Jovi. (And ST37 have that great "Sunburst Yodel #9" country-space tune!) >But ok, I consider the entire early 80s to be one gigantic unmitigated >disaster... Hard to disagree with that. Even in the underground, it was pretty grim. Punk rock, once an inclusive and diverse genre, had devolved into a rote form of macho jock-infested hardcore. Once-interesting bands (from Cabaret Voltaire to Devo) became bland synthpop purveyors (the first two Thompson Twins albums are actually pretty experimental, and were produced by Mike Howlett of Gong). Some of the best bands the US had to offer (the Chesterfield Kings and Plasticland, to name two) were deeply emmeshed in slavish imitations of the past, with as much attention paid to fashion as the music. Helios Creed split from Chrome and Damon Edge got boring. I hardly listened to any new music (except by old-fart bands - either classic rock like the Beatles, Who, Kinks, Doors etc. or mainstream prog like Yes, "old" Genesis & Tull) in the early 80's, with the notable exception being the Ramones, who an older friend in another town had turned me onto around the time of the 'Rock & Roll High School' movie (the same guy would later tell me that the Velvet Underground and Hawkwind were two bands I had to check out), but I couldn't admit to liking them in my horrible suburban town, for fear of ridicule. Getting the hell out of there to college changed things for the (much, much) better. Not only did I hear Hawkwind on the school radio station within a month, but I *finally* got the exposure to lesser-known bands (both past and contemporary) that I'd been yearning for. Stuff like Fairport Convention, Stooges/MC5, Spirit, Gong, Alex Chilton/Big Star, the Pink Fairies, Love, Amon Du?l II, Soft Machine, Syd Barrett, etc. as well as then-current bands like the Replacements, Sonic Youth, Cramps, Swans, Camper Van Beethoven, Dinosaur (pre-"junior"), Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys, Aussie stuff like the Lime Spiders (and, going back, Radio Birdman!), New Zealanders like the Chills & the Verlaines, etc. At the same time, I also lost interest in the prog rock that I'd liked so much in high school ('cause none of them could kick out the jams like Hawkwind!). By then, I was seeing small bands in clubs as much as possible ... >> The whole "grunge" revolution affected me as well as my friends, >> everybody owning a copy of Nirvana's "Nevermind" album at some stage, >> a big hit to say the least, with everyone being into Husker Du or >> The Pixies picking up on Nirvana and such. > >Yeah, me, too, 'cause it seemed that *finally* something with some >courage was showing up to shake up the whole global scene that had gone >so horribly jaded. So I remember purchasing "Nevermind" when I only >had heard about it from a friend (they hadn't made it onto radio yet, >as least in Cleveland), and thinking that it was OK but there were >similar bands with more interesting music and the same level of energy. By the time grunge "hit", I was already pretty deeply into the underground, so I already knew the bands and it was great to see the good ones get some recognition (but also a drag to see bandwagon-jumping-poseurs like Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam getting too much of the sales and attention). The only time I saw Nirvana was in a pretty small club, long before 'Nevermind'; of the Seattle bands, I greatly preferred Mudhoney (still at it, god bless 'em! They may be a lot smaller than they were during the height of grunge, but they're still bigger now than most of the hair metal bands that were selling out arenas in the 80's.). >As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well >already. I'm not even sure that I can really think of Janes' "Nothing >Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy >piece of plastic. I find myself actually preferring the pseudo-psychedelic >experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working >for them). What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway? Waiting for >the inevitable Jane's reunion? Or has he already died from heroin >overdose? Aren't they reuniting for a Lollapalooza tour this summer? I was never that into JA; saw 'em opening for Iggy Pop right before 'Nothings Shocking' came out and it was like, "ok, so this guy fronting these Led Zep wannabes is obviously proud of the fact he went to art school". >> I have to say as an MTV Generation spokesperson that music is alive >> and well still in the 21st century! The question remains: why do >> people like me and others like myself go to such lengths to see a band >> live or find just the right album or live recording? Are we as crazy >> as we were in our younger years about music? The answer would be YES. It certainly is for me, I was pogo-ing like a maniac last night! Completely unavoidable with a band that rocks like these guys: http://www.theepoxies.com/ ... a "neo new wave" act who play new wave music unlike that of the early 80s - this stuff actually ROCKS. (Last night's show was the kickoff of their march/april US tour, so check 'em out when they hit your town!) Hmmm ... I'd type some more, but I need to get to rehearsal, and while listening to music is better than talking about it, playing it is the best! -Doug (who has no idea WHY he likes music so much) jasret at mindspring.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 13 23:40:36 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:40:36 EST Subject: OFF: MTV generation Message-ID: in Boston, circa 1974 and up, it was WRKO AM radio, and Creem/Circus/Hit Parader... being drawn to the louder/edgier stuff that i heard, but being limited to pretty much that station (top 40), and those magazines, i was an AERO-KISS kid, for sure...buying 45's by BOSTON, BTO, FOGHAT...then lps by KISS (1st lp ever purchased: "Rock and Roll Over"), AEROSMITH, CHEAP TRICK.... and then, completely by accident... my dad had bought a new stereo, one with an 8-track player, and after fooling with it one night and going to sleep, I awoke the next day to find the 8-track deck had been recording all night---WAAF in Worcester Ma had a Friday night feature called the Friday Night 6-pack, where, overnight, they'd play 6 ENTIRE LPS (sounds crazy now, I know), usually new releases. I rewound the tape and listened, thinking cool, I have maybe 6 new free albums, let's see what i got... welp, i got VAN HALEN's debut.... 2 weeks before it's release. OH MY GOD did this record blow my mind and change my world (mind you, i was 14.) In hindsight, they were the ramones of metal**. As Creem's concurrent 'is metal dead?' issue was trumpeting the death of that particular dinosaur, VH's lp was giving the tired and bloated carcass a huge boot in the ass. the difficulty i had in finding ANY info on this band (for the two weeks prior to its release and a lengthy period thereafter) convinced me that WRKO and those rock mags didnt know everything; that i didnt need them telling me what i'd like, which bands i should be a fan of... this entire experience was my first exposure to the idea of 'underground' (i know its hard to conceive of VH as ever being an underground band, but for about half-year, they were...) and gave me the confidence to champion 'unknown' bands all throughout high school: motorhead, ac/dc (well before bon's death and their breakthru), the entire nwobhm, montrose, UFO... mtv ruined everything; the 80's sucked. all of my fave bands sold out, one after another... so i started my own. the end bobm **high energy, comical/nonsense lyrics, genre-self-parody and minimalism, 3-minute songs, "finally, the right idea"... From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 23:40:43 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:40:43 +0800 Subject: The MTV generation (sorry, long) Message-ID: > >> The question is: why do people like music? I've been a music fanatic > >> since 8th grade, getting into bands like Queen, Duran Duran, > > > >NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely > >coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered > >recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the > >reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran > >Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and > >Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) > > What's with all the hataz here?!? :^) I'm *proud* of the fact that my > current band covers the Hawklords AND Johnny Cash! And a previous band > that covered "Psi Power" also had Merle Haggard and Loretta Lynn songs in > our repertoire. Judging country music based on the likes of Kenny Rogers > and Garth Brooks would be like judging rock music based on Air Supply and > Bon Jovi. (And ST37 have that great "Sunburst Yodel #9" country-space > tune!) > With myself, I couldn't say that I'd hate C&W music, because I usually just turn a blind ear to it (in much the same way as I do with certain genres of film & TV). It just doesn't interest me. Other styles I know are really bad thogh, such as Rap! > >But ok, I consider the entire early 80s to be one gigantic unmitigated > >disaster... > > Hard to disagree with that. Even in the underground, it was pretty grim. > Punk rock, once an inclusive and diverse genre, had devolved into a rote > form of macho jock-infested hardcore. Once-interesting bands (from Cabaret > Voltaire to Devo) became bland synthpop purveyors (the first two Thompson > Twins albums are actually pretty experimental, and were produced by Mike > Howlett of Gong). Some of the best bands the US had to offer (the > Chesterfield Kings and Plasticland, to name two) were deeply emmeshed in > slavish imitations of the past, with as much attention paid to fashion as > the music. Helios Creed split from Chrome and Damon Edge got boring. > What I found really sad was to discover your heroes doing things musically that you'd never dream of them doing, such as Pete Sinfield writing most of the Bucks Fizz songs, & Willie Wilcox (from Todd Rundgren's Utopia) co-writing songs with Kylie Minogue. Also seeing musicians from bands like Rainbow becoming backing musicians for ppl like Enrique Inglasies & Madonna. There was also the bands that started off really good, like OMD who, as soon as they got recognized, changed their style to boring pop music (and now they are the backing band and song writers for Atomic Kitten). Ultravox was the same. As soon as John Foxx left they became boring. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 23:48:41 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:48:41 +0800 Subject: The MTV generation (short) Message-ID: For me, the 80's started to seem to bring about the death of rock music, because all the artists that I respected were selling themselves out! their music was suffering too (try comparing Queen II & Hot Spaces, for example). When these UK artists (the ones I tended to listen to) all wanted to get recognized in the USA, their musical direction changed completely! William From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Mar 14 04:14:14 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:14:14 -0000 Subject: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records Message-ID: Almost certainly it is the "Never Ending Story" reissue of the book plus CD that we hope to have in here at CD Services within a couple of weeks time for anyone this side (or that side) of the pond that wants it. BTW - if you see advertised Hawkwind - Obsessions - it is YET ANOTHER Dave Anderson reissue license job so be warned. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:40:21PM -0500, Great Sun Quester wrote: > > Hawkwind : Complete Set > > Lake Shore Records > > Book & CD > > Anyone have a clue what the HW release is? A quick web-search turns up nada. > > A search on Lake Shore Records turned up: > - a Madonna compilation, with a book > - a Led Zep compilation, with a book > - an Elvis compilation, with a book > Hmmm, there does seem to be a pattern emerging :-) > > Also: > - Queens of the Stone Age - "Queens of the Stone Age" -- which > Amazon says is on Loose Groove Records! > > - A Rocky Horror CD, panned here: > http://www.rockymusic.org/cds/toronto.html > > - no official Internet presence that I could find > > Judging by all that, but especially by the RHPS review, it looks > like another dodgy comp. Out of Toronto this time, it shames me > to say. > > Oh yeah, LSR also has no listing in the Toronto phone book. Nor > is there one for Audio Visual Concepts, where the RHS CD was > "Produced, engineered, mixed and digitally recorded by Michael > White". (Long and McQuades is for real, but they're just a big > music store -- instruments and studio gear, that is, not CDs. No > reason to assume any non-arms-length involvement there.) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, > because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. > - Leslie Lamport From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 14 05:46:00 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:46:00 -0000 Subject: BOC: British tour Message-ID: Well, I'm going twenty quid or not. If you see a bloke who looks eaxctly like Nick Oliveri (QotSA), then I'll be the bloke standing beside him.. ----- Original Message ----- From: cosmicdolphin To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > I would be pay ?20 to see anyone at the renfrew Ferry, it's a fantastic > venue. I've seen Gong and Ozric Tentacles there, and it's simply magical. > > Rich W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Allen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > > > I've just had a look at the Renfrew Ferry site, and the BOC tickets are ?20! > ?20 ?! > Does this seem excessive or am I just getting frugal in my old age? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Jackson > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: BOC: British tour > > > > On 13 Mar 2003 at 12:31, Chris Allen wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone have any idea if we should just turn up at this venue on the > > > night, or if we should get tickets beforehand? If beforehand - where? > > > > > > Chris. > > > > My memory's a bit hazy, but I think some of the gigs on the last tour sold > out early... > > > > theo > > > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Tue Mar 11 08:59:14 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:59:14 +1100 Subject: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records Message-ID: Andy, Can you please announce when available? Thanks Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records > Almost certainly it is the "Never Ending Story" reissue of the book plus CD > that we hope to have in here at CD Services within a couple of weeks time > for anyone this side (or that side) of the pond that wants it. > BTW - if you see advertised Hawkwind - Obsessions - it is YET ANOTHER Dave > Anderson reissue license job so be warned. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Siegerman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:11 PM > Subject: HW: "Complete Set" / Lake Shore Records > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:40:21PM -0500, Great Sun Quester wrote: > > > Hawkwind : Complete Set > > > Lake Shore Records > > > Book & CD > > > Anyone have a clue what the HW release is? A quick web-search turns up > nada. > > > > A search on Lake Shore Records turned up: > > - a Madonna compilation, with a book > > - a Led Zep compilation, with a book > > - an Elvis compilation, with a book > > Hmmm, there does seem to be a pattern emerging :-) > > > > Also: > > - Queens of the Stone Age - "Queens of the Stone Age" -- which > > Amazon says is on Loose Groove Records! > > > > - A Rocky Horror CD, panned here: > > http://www.rockymusic.org/cds/toronto.html > > > > - no official Internet presence that I could find > > > > Judging by all that, but especially by the RHPS review, it looks > > like another dodgy comp. Out of Toronto this time, it shames me > > to say. > > > > Oh yeah, LSR also has no listing in the Toronto phone book. Nor > > is there one for Audio Visual Concepts, where the RHS CD was > > "Produced, engineered, mixed and digitally recorded by Michael > > White". (Long and McQuades is for real, but they're just a big > > music store -- instruments and studio gear, that is, not CDs. No > > reason to assume any non-arms-length involvement there.) > > > > -- > > > > | | /\ > > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > > | | / > > A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, > > because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. > > - Leslie Lamport > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 12:45:39 2003 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:45:39 +0000 Subject: OFF:Test - please ignore Message-ID: just checkin' From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Fri Mar 14 06:54:52 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:54:52 +0100 Subject: The Hatters Message-ID: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU wrote: >Maybe a professed >ex hippie like yourself might actually like it? ;-) > I may be a professed ex-hippie to some but I don't think stuff like the Hatters would make me any more of a hippie! It would probably make me an ex-hippie real fast :) Chr. (still a hippie with a complete Sun Dial and Hawkwind collection) From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Fri Mar 14 08:25:46 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:25:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorpsycho Message-ID: I definetly have to recommend this latest CD by Norway's psych darlings Motorpsycho, called "It's A Love Cult" - I just borrowed it at the local library to check it out after seeing a review in Kerrang! of all places as they are definetly not heavy metal anymore (were they ever?) but more 60's psych type stuff like Elevators, Beatles, "Pet Sounds", meets Mercury Rev at their best, it's very nice, mellow and sunny. Motorpsycho used to be more pop/rock in the 90's after the excellent "Demon Box" (which sounded more like Amon Duul II and Husker Du), but "It's A Love Cult" is one of the releases of the year with masterful 60's stylings and classy studio production and solid songwriting. A true hippie record that should appeal to all 60's heads. Check it out! tracklist: ?berwagner or A Billion Bubbles in my Mind Circles Neverland This Otherness Carousel What if... The Mirror and The Lie Serpentine Custer's Last Stand (One More Daemon) Composite Head Chr. From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Fri Mar 14 09:24:38 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:24:38 +0100 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: cuz today I am 31 ;) Hawkwind forever, Chr. From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Fri Mar 14 09:46:01 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:46:01 +0100 Subject: HW: making up stories of alternate realities Message-ID: In an alternate reality I probably copied my entire Hawkwind CD collection to CDR and threw the originals away and was accused by Dave Brock of fleecing the band. Chr. From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Fri Mar 14 13:55:15 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:55:15 -0500 Subject: HW: making up stories of alternate realities Message-ID: > In an alternate reality I probably copied my entire Hawkwind CD > collection to CDR and threw the originals away and was accused by Dave > Brock of fleecing the band. Just tie these alternate realities in with Michael Moorcock's multiverse with various avatars of the same figures and conjunctions of the spheres.... In an alternate universe #23423b This alternate universe proceeds pretty much as normal until the Atomhenge tour. Then... Bob Calvert accidentally shoots Doug Smith with his gun "prop". After a highly publicized court trial which gained the group much publicity and notoriety, Hawkwind launched a benefit concert to fund his legal defense. Due to the high level of attention, huge sums of revenue are generated. After an argument, Dave Brock sacks their lawyer, and decides to let Calvert defend himself. Without informing Calvert about this, mind you. Calvert's brilliant improvisation is a piece of poetic mastery, but the Judge doesn't know brilliance and finds Calvert guilty. All appears lost until Lemmy returns to lead a prison break which is successful, but forces the band to flee, picking up fellow cellmate Bainbridge (outside the law) who has made contacts with the french underground while in prison. They make it to France, where by clever use of wigs they are able to take a jet to Reunion, staying one steap ahead of interpol until they are granted refuge in the Comoros by french mercenary Bob Denard. Another huge concert is planned in the caldera of the volcano of the main isle, with a major pyrotechnics show being one of the main attractions. Many friends and relations from around the world attend this event, including Nik, who is a member of the "boy band" IZU (in this alternate universes the punk movement never happened and the "boy band" movement took its place). Nik attempts to convince Dave that this trend will be useful in impressing chicks, but in the middle of this conversation the volcano begins to erupt. All appears lost until a mysterious silvery flying machine appears and..... From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Mar 14 18:38:23 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:38:23 -0500 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: Happy birthday, youngster tim Christian Mumford wrote: > > cuz today I am 31 ;) > > Hawkwind forever, > Chr. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 18:53:09 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:53:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Tickets Now On Sale Message-ID: Tickets for the Astoria gig are now on sale from the Mean Fiddler website. http://www.meanfiddler.com Go to the Astoria section and select May 2003. Colin From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 19:17:22 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:17:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Tickets On Sale Message-ID: Tickets for Cambridge, Astoria, Birmingham & Bristol are now available from Wayahead while Ticketweb have tickets for Birmingham & Bristol. Colin From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 19:42:53 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:42:53 -0000 Subject: Problems of moving gouse Message-ID: I've just moved into my lovely new house, and I can't find my slide, or my short leads. And I want to give the guitar a real thrashing. I know they're here somewhere, but I'm bu99ered if I can find them. AR5E!!!! B0ll0cks. Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 19:44:29 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:44:29 -0000 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: Happy Birthday Christian. That's it. Rich. > cuz today I am 31 ;) > > Hawkwind forever, > Chr. > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Mar 14 20:11:48 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:11:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: offline - not gonna do it not w/ all the BS posts that others send..... plus - others might find this helpful somewhere down the line... We be talkin' FLORIDA! Andrew is correct about the Carefree Theater being a potential venue in South Florida. Another good one would be a club called Culture. The Carefree is like the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland - an old movie theatre turned concert venue. They don't get alot of shows there, but the ones they get are good - MMW, Govt. Mule etc... Culture is more eclectic w/ a jamband one night and the ORB another. Steve Kimock is playing there tonight and tomorrow. I have some contacts that may be able to help out w/ scheduling gigs at either one of these venues. If the band wanted to start in the south and work North, there's a decent venue in Orlando called The Social. The Legendary Pink Dots played there some months back..... similar roster as the Culture, but not nearly as big.... In St. Pete, we have one of the best venues in the state: Jannus Landing. This is a restaurant on the front side and the back is an open courtyard w/ large oak trees. Basically the stores that circle the block surround this courtyard. Here in Jacksonville, there are several clubs that would work well. I know the promoter in town personally and could definitely get a gig booked if given enough advance notice. I have already laid the groundwork, so I would just need a heads up...... Just say the word and I would be happy to help out! Peace, D NP: Bozio, Levin & Stevens - Black Light Syndrome -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Apold [mailto:andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Um, well, there is the city of Opa-Locka, a Miami suburb that apparently has no connection to the track from WOTEOT. Don't know of any venues there. In West Palm I am wondering if the Carefree theater might be suitable... I know some other hawkfans in the area that I could check with... > Florida,Florida,Florida (that' 3 votes for Florida) > tim > Colin J Allen wrote: > > > > Only if you cannot let me know a possible venue (offline). From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Mar 14 20:15:16 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:15:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lynyrd Skynrd (was Deep Purple) Message-ID: Lynyrd Skynrd (tribute band) will not be playing ANY gigs for the upcoming months. Gary Rossington is recovering from open heart surgery........ Southern Man, D-Rider Jacksonville, FL (redneck mecca) -----Original Message----- From: Neil Shilladay [mailto:neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: OFF: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) All this talk about Purple reminds me that I've seen adverts for a 30 years of DP concert. (Strange as its 34+years?) Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd Skynrd are supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the current line up ? Last year there was rumour of reforming MkII 'one last time'..... Neil From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Mar 14 20:29:55 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:29:55 -0500 Subject: Off: Neil Young Tour Dates Message-ID: April 22 ~ Cirkus Stockholm, Sweden April 23 ~ Oslo KonsertHus Oslo, Norway April 25~ Grieghallen, Ole Blues Festival Bergen, Norway April 27 ~ Falconer Salen Copenhagen, Denmark April 29 ~ CCH 1 Hamburg, Germany April 30 ~ Tempodrom Berlin, Germany May 1 ~ Alte Oper Frankfurt, Germany May 5 ~ Philharmonie Munich, Germany May 7 ~ Liederhalle Stuttgart, Germany May 8 ~ Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam, Holland May 9 ~ Kuppelsaal Hannover, Germany May 11 ~ Vicar Street Dublin, Ireland May 12 ~ Vicar Street Dublin, Ireland May 13 ~ Vicar Street Dublin, Ireland May 23 ~ Koningin Elisabethzaal Antwerp, Belgium May 24 ~ Palais des Congr?s Paris, France June 13-15 Bonnaroo Festival Manchester, Tennessee USA! Can't believe you guys are slammin Neil! Does this mean you don't agree w/ what he said about G.W. Bush? Give me a break! Cortez The Killer D -----Original Message----- From: Henderson Keith [mailto:keith.henderson at PSI.CH] P.P.S. Neil Young's Canadian isn't he? What the heck was he saying about 'we' going to bomb people in Iraq then...or are they in on it too? Maybe he should sing 'God Bless America' too. Perhaps a duet with Celine Dion (or Avril Lavigne if he would rather pull a Carlos Santana). :) From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Fri Mar 14 20:16:10 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:16:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lynyrd Skynrd (was Deep Purple) Message-ID: Here and now are touring with Deavid Allen, they will be round my part of the world in may. >From: DRider >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: OFF: Lynyrd Skynrd (was Deep Purple) >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:15:16 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa37.msn.com ([207.46.181.15]) by >mc6-f31.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 14 Mar >2003 17:02:19 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa37.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:01:26 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id UAA15511;Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:00:50 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 88070 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Fri, >14 Mar 2003 20:00:50 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >UAA15504 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:00:49 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) >by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >UAA19703 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:00:44 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from g6z5f9 (c-24-129-66-231.se.client2.attbi.com[24.129.66.231]) >by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id ><2003031501001300100e51jje>; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:00:13 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-MSN-Trace: {0B1B674D-89D6-46DB-BBEC-C07478D99603} >References: ><08AF1F5DF3CB574FBAEB064E5E32EDBB826D6F at TLHEXSMB2.floridadep.net> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >Message-ID: <0cf301c2ea90$56e47c40$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.com> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2003 01:01:26.0466 (UTC) >FILETIME=[67A11220:01C2EA8E] > >Lynyrd Skynrd (tribute band) will not be playing ANY gigs for the upcoming >months. Gary Rossington is recovering from open heart surgery........ > >Southern Man, > >D-Rider >Jacksonville, FL (redneck mecca) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Neil Shilladay [mailto:neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM] >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:46 AM >Subject: OFF: Deep Purple (was The MTV generation) > >All this talk about Purple reminds me that I've seen adverts for a 30 >years of DP concert. (Strange as its 34+years?) > >Anway, does anyone know anything about this ? I think Lynyrd Skynrd are >supporting, but are there any past DP people or just the current line up ? > >Last year there was rumour of reforming MkII 'one last time'..... > >Neil _________________________________________________________________ Chat online in real time with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Fri Mar 14 20:21:13 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:21:13 +0000 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: Lives of great men all remind us, we may make our lives sublime. >From: Richard Lockwood >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: say happy b'day >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:44:29 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa02.msn.com ([207.46.181.107]) by >mc5-f5.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 14 Mar >2003 16:58:41 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa02.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:57:52 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id TAA15371;Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:56:35 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 88043 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Fri, >14 Mar 2003 19:56:35 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >TAA15351 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:56:28 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (mta7-svc.business.ntl.com > [62.253.164.47]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) > with ESMTP id TAA19594 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 > 19:56:20 -0500 (EST) >Received: from bernard ([62.252.36.7]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com >(InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id > <20030315005619.NPKS27609.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com at bernard> for > ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:56:19 +0000 >X-Message-Info: yilqo4+6kc64AXpUCzRAW30W84h6gtv8 >X-MSN-Trace: {70772EBD-AC3D-4D14-9D54-87FB58B9CC96} >References: <3E71E626.3000205 at netscape.net> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Message-ID: <003c01c2ea8d$b44d7a60$0724fc3e at bernard> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2003 00:57:53.0075 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E8703030:01C2EA8D] > >Happy Birthday Christian. > >That's it. > >Rich. > > > > cuz today I am 31 ;) > > > > Hawkwind forever, > > Chr. > > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Mar 14 22:18:06 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:18:06 -0500 Subject: The MTV generation (not sorry, long ") Message-ID: Congratulations Christian Mumford - for starting a good thread that has generated many positive responses. I hope this is a good sign! -----Original Message----- Henderson Keith writes:[mailto:Keith.Henderson at PSI.CH] NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Come on man! Duran Duran - better than the Bee Gees? There are plenty of bands worse than both of these bands combined. Just turn on any modern rock radio station..... Better yet a rap/hiphop radio station....... Which brings up another topic: Rap is NOT music That's probably why you put the word music in quotes, right? I pulled up to a thump car w/ it's license plate all a buzz the other day.... "Mother-fucker this" "Mother-fucker that" "I like women w/ da..." "... big fat ass" Inside was a pasty white geek, rappin along w/ his chains all a "bling bling" like he's real bad This got me wonderin: why is this terrible excuse for sound SO popular?? The only theory that I could conclude was that the average American has TASTE FOR SHIT! I don't know if rap/hiphop are as popular in other countries, as it is here...... Young people are spending loads of $$$ to support crooks. Yeah, we all have been supporting white collar crooks for years. Oh, boohoo the recording industry is in a slump. Serves them right for ripping us off for all these years........ But that's not what I mean. When I say crooks, I mean it in the literal sense. Sug Knight or whatever his name is a gangbangin thug. Most of these guys are in the same category. "Oh, I went from sellin dope on the street corner to being a star on MTV." Talk about money for nothing! At least when he was sellin drugs he was providing a service.(tongue in cheek) And people wonder why these guys get killed...... Even defending rap from the angle that it's about pissing off the parents does not hold up. Rock N Roll originally pissed off parents, but at least part of it had substance. Yeah, rock N roll ripped off the old bluesmen. But isn't there some type of homage being paid in that form? Not like some rap thug sampling a line from a previous hit for the main melody of his "song" and putting disgusting lyrics to it. At least rock n roll had innuendo and not some skank shakin her ass 6 inches from the camera. I could go on an on, but simply said: rap is crap! Moving on..... How can you put county in the same category as rap? Garth Brooks etc. is not really country, but it WAY better than rap! Do you mean to say that a guy w/ as eclectic tastes in music as you have, that you don't like even one song by Johnny Cash? I know, I know - Johnny Cash - don't smoke hash ") (I bet he did) I saw Willie Nelson open for Phil Lesh this past summer at Red Rocks and was fortunate enough to record the show on DAT. That guy was awesome! He played for 90 minutes non-stop one song right into another. The funny thing is, I bet if you were there you would have recognized more songs than you think and you just may have enjoyed it...... A way that I have learned to tell how much a crowd like a performer is by how quiet and respectable/considerate they are when the performer is playing.... The place was packed and everyone was extremely attentive. As it should be. Willie Nelson is a legend! But hey.. I'm just a Deadhead - what do I know? We are in agreement that the best music in the '80s was METAL. It continues to baffle me when clubs have what they call "old wave" nights where they play '80's crap music. Then again, back to the theory: Americans have taste for crap. Case in point: look who are president is..... "Oh, that boy on death row is retarded? Let's fry him anyway!" - G.W. Bush Too bad old George was not in the series finale of "OZ". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well already. I'm not even sure that I can really think of Jane's "Nothing Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy piece of plastic. I find myself actually preferring the pseudo-psychedelic experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working for them). What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway? Waiting for the inevitable Jane's reunion? Or has he already died from heroin overdose? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hmmm.... are you just playing devil's advocate? Jane's Addiction have a new album about to be released and as someone said Lollapalooza is coming back. It bums me out that you would speak so poorly of Perry. Then again, I have met the guy. Hell, I even smoked a joint w/ him at the venue I mentioned in another post (Jannus Landing) when Porno For Pyros played there on 7/5/96. I saw JA at Peabody's Downunder in 1988. What a great show! It was not until the end when one of the road crew came up w/ a pair of crutches, that I realized the man had done the entire show w/ a broken leg. He was all over the place like a madman. Incredible! I saw them the next year at the Phantasy Theatre and the magic was definitely going away.... Then last year, I scored front row tix to see them in Gainesville, FL. I was right in front of Dave Navarro. I saw over 60 shows last year and that show was by far the best. 2 stages, dancers on the stage (w/ a strip club type pole and a swing), dancers on pedestals out in the arena itself, a second small stage 3/4 of the way back where they played an acoustic set..... With Lollapalooza, Perry gave America the opportunity to see an eclectic bunch of bands in a festival atmosphere. These were alternative bands that defined the term "alternative". The "straight" folks came just to see the freaks, but ended up getting into the music. The media soaked it up and "alternative" became mainstream. Now we have suburban kids all tattooed up and cheerleaders pierced. That may or may not be a good thing, but Perry got alot of people's attention and alot of great bands got the much needed exposure that they needed and deserved. Stephen Perkins - the drummer has a great taping friendly band called Banyan. It's like tribal jazz w/ horns. Think Korai Orom w/ horns. Another cool point about JA - they are a bunch of Deadheads. Yeah, that's right. My friend Jim Charna, a fellow taper had mail order tix for the Dead at Cal Expo in 1989. He was not taping and went to his seat, after some time went by a fellow showed up w/ his girlfriend. It was none other than Perry. Jim struck up a conversation w/ the amicable man and not long after he said, we will enjoy the show much better out on the lawn w/ the guys. He invited Jim along. On the lawn was the rest of the band. They puffed it up on some "kind" and Jim ended up following them back to their car after the show. Stephen had a shoebox w/ cassette masters of live performances that he loaned to Jim to dub. This is no bullshit! Now, being a Deadhead may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. Loaning master live tapes out may not be cool to some folks, but it is too me. Being able to approach someone like Perry and having an intelligent conversation while smoking a joint may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. Putting on a festival of very talented eclectic non-mainstream bands may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. I'll stop there. Other than that I agree w/ a good portion of what you have to say..... MTV was interesting for a while. I'll admit that when it first came on, I tuned-in alot. I watched Beavis & Butthead. The reality show - I forget the name... w/ the guy Puck. The first version of Road Rules. But MTV became less about music an more about crap reality shows...... Ironic how network television is following suit.......... The third and final testament to my theory - the average American has TASTE FOR SHIT! Much Music and MTV2 still have their moments and sometimes fill the void. The show called Control Freak is cool....... Bring Back Head Bangers Ball (but not Ricky Rakkman!) Ocean Size, D From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Sat Mar 15 00:00:39 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:00:39 +0000 Subject: British tour Message-ID: Where in Mnchester? >From: Mike Montfort >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: British tour >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:26 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa11.msn.com ([207.46.181.24]) by >mc10-f20.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 12 >Mar 2003 12:57:39 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa11.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:54 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id PAA25301;Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 86151 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, >12 Mar 2003 15:51:38 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >PAA25294 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:37 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com >[24.92.226.153]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) >with ESMTP id PAA20527 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 > 15:51:35 -0500 (EST) >Received: from deepthought (rrcs-nys-24-97-45-166.biz.rr.com >[24.97.45.166]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with >SMTP id h2CKpWbV010213 for ; Wed, 12 Mar >2003 15:51:34 -0500 (EST) >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-MSN-Trace: {E102A672-0844-4411-B5E8-11DDBECCF512} >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >Importance: Normal >Message-ID: >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >In-Reply-To: <002201c2e8d7$43f46ce0$3dfa0750 at r5g8u8> >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 20:54:54.0303 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A1FC9EF0:01C2E8D9] > >You missed the postings but there is nothing wrong with keeping the BOC >jive >going!! > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Charlie Grant >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:38 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: BOC: British tour > > >My first posting for ooooh - a year >either i've missed a posting or i'm the first >according to blueoystercult.com the band are playing the following dates: > >All June > >2 Wavedon Milton Keynes, The Stables >3 Leeds, England Irish Centre >4 Nottingham, England Rock City >5 Southampton, England The Brook >6 London, England The Astoria >7 Swansea, Wales Patti Pavilion >8 Wolverhampton Robin 2 >9 Aberdeen, Scotland Lemon Tree >10 Glasgow, Scotland Renfrew Ferry >11 Manchester, England Live Cafe >12 Newcastle, England Opera House > >.......Charles the grinning boy _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Mar 15 02:15:37 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:15:37 -0000 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: Happy birthday, for yesterday; probably! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Mumford" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: HW: say happy b'day > cuz today I am 31 ;) > > Hawkwind forever, > Chr. > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Mar 15 02:36:13 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:36:13 -0700 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: A very happy day to you, young'un! May you have many more! Pam Christian Mumford wrote: > cuz today I am 31 ;) > > Hawkwind forever, > Chr. -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace You forgot to mention Mcdonalds and Burger King. I mean as Americans have a taste for Shit. It amazes me that folks even eat there. I'd rather eat vegetarian. No Offense to folks who are. I am not. Anyone remember a band named MDC. THeir first EP Multi Death Corporations. Had the poster in there with all the facts about how Mcdonalds beef isn't fit for human consumption. If you look at the wrapper it says 100% american beef. Try to eat it cold. Sure doesn't taste like beef. Sorry for the off post. I couldn't resist. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: The MTV generation (not sorry, long ") > Congratulations Christian Mumford - for starting a good thread that has > generated many positive responses. I hope this is a good sign! > > -----Original Message----- > Henderson Keith writes:[mailto:Keith.Henderson at PSI.CH] > > NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely > coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered > recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the > reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran > Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and > Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Come on man! > Duran Duran - better than the Bee Gees? > There are plenty of bands worse than both of these bands combined. > Just turn on any modern rock radio station..... > > Better yet a rap/hiphop radio station....... > > Which brings up another topic: Rap is NOT music > That's probably why you put the word music in quotes, right? > > I pulled up to a thump car w/ it's license plate all a buzz > the other day.... > > "Mother-fucker this" > "Mother-fucker that" > "I like women w/ da..." > "... big fat ass" > > Inside was a pasty white geek, rappin along > w/ his chains all a "bling bling" > like he's real bad > > This got me wonderin: why is this terrible excuse for sound SO popular?? > > The only theory that I could conclude was that the average American > has TASTE FOR SHIT! > > I don't know if rap/hiphop are as popular in other countries, as it is > here...... > > Young people are spending loads of $$$ to support crooks. Yeah, we all have > been supporting white collar crooks for years. Oh, boohoo the recording > industry is in a slump. Serves them right for ripping us off for all these > years........ > > But that's not what I mean. When I say crooks, I mean it in the literal > sense. Sug Knight or whatever his name is a gangbangin thug. Most of these > guys are in the same category. "Oh, I went from sellin dope on the street > corner to being a star on MTV." Talk about money for nothing! At least when > he was sellin drugs he was providing a service.(tongue in cheek) And people > wonder why these guys get killed...... > > Even defending rap from the angle that it's about pissing off the parents > does not hold up. Rock N Roll originally pissed off parents, but at least > part of it had substance. Yeah, rock N roll ripped off the old bluesmen. But > isn't there some type of homage being paid in that form? Not like some rap > thug sampling a line from a previous hit for the main melody of his "song" > and putting disgusting lyrics to it. At least rock n roll had innuendo and > not some skank shakin her ass 6 inches from the camera. > > I could go on an on, but simply said: rap is crap! > > Moving on..... > > How can you put county in the same category as rap? > Garth Brooks etc. is not really country, but it WAY better than rap! > > Do you mean to say that a guy w/ as eclectic tastes in music as you have, > that you don't like even one song by Johnny Cash? > > I know, I know - Johnny Cash - don't smoke hash ") > (I bet he did) > > I saw Willie Nelson open for Phil Lesh this past summer at Red Rocks and was > fortunate enough to record the show on DAT. That guy was awesome! He played > for 90 minutes non-stop one song right into another. The funny thing is, I > bet if you were there you would have recognized more songs than you think > and you just may have enjoyed it...... A way that I have learned to tell how > much a crowd like a performer is by how quiet and respectable/considerate > they are when the performer is playing.... The place was packed and everyone > was extremely attentive. As it should be. Willie Nelson is a legend! > > But hey.. I'm just a Deadhead - what do I know? > > We are in agreement that the best music in the '80s was METAL. > > It continues to baffle me when clubs have what they call "old wave" nights > where they play '80's crap music. Then again, back to the theory: > Americans have taste for crap. > > Case in point: look who are president is..... > > "Oh, that boy on death row is retarded? Let's fry him anyway!" > - G.W. Bush > > Too bad old George was not in the series finale of "OZ". > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well > already. I'm not even sure that I can really think of Jane's "Nothing > Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy > piece of plastic. I find myself actually preferring the pseudo-psychedelic > experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working > for them). What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway? Waiting for > the inevitable Jane's reunion? Or has he already died from heroin > overdose? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > hmmm.... > are you just playing devil's advocate? > > Jane's Addiction have a new album about to be released and as someone said > Lollapalooza is coming back. It bums me out that you would speak so poorly > of Perry. Then again, I have met the guy. Hell, I even smoked a joint w/ him > at the venue I mentioned in another post (Jannus Landing) when Porno For > Pyros played there on 7/5/96. I saw JA at Peabody's Downunder in 1988. What > a great show! It was not until the end when one of the road crew came up w/ > a pair of crutches, that I realized the man had done the entire show w/ a > broken leg. He was all over the place like a madman. Incredible! I saw them > the next year at the Phantasy Theatre and the magic was definitely going > away.... Then last year, I scored front row tix to see them in Gainesville, > FL. I was right in front of Dave Navarro. I saw over 60 shows last year and > that show was by far the best. 2 stages, dancers on the stage (w/ a strip > club type pole and a swing), dancers on pedestals out in the arena itself, a > second small stage 3/4 of the way back where they played an acoustic > set..... > > With Lollapalooza, Perry gave America the opportunity to see an eclectic > bunch of bands in a festival atmosphere. These were alternative bands that > defined the term "alternative". The "straight" folks came just to see the > freaks, but ended up getting into the music. The media soaked it up and > "alternative" became mainstream. Now we have suburban kids all tattooed up > and cheerleaders pierced. That may or may not be a good thing, but Perry got > alot of people's attention and alot of great bands got the much needed > exposure that they needed and deserved. > > Stephen Perkins - the drummer has a great taping friendly band called > Banyan. It's like tribal jazz w/ horns. Think Korai Orom w/ horns. Another > cool point about JA - they are a bunch of Deadheads. Yeah, that's right. My > friend Jim Charna, a fellow taper had mail order tix for the Dead at Cal > Expo in 1989. He was not taping and went to his seat, after some time went > by a fellow showed up w/ his girlfriend. It was none other than Perry. Jim > struck up a conversation w/ the amicable man and not long after he said, we > will enjoy the show much better out on the lawn w/ the guys. He invited Jim > along. On the lawn was the rest of the band. They puffed it up on some > "kind" and Jim ended up following them back to their car after the show. > Stephen had a shoebox w/ cassette masters of live performances that he > loaned to Jim to dub. This is no bullshit! > > Now, being a Deadhead may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. > Loaning master live tapes out may not be cool to some folks, but it is too > me. Being able to approach someone like Perry and having an intelligent > conversation while smoking a joint may not be cool to some folks, but it is > to me. Putting on a festival of very talented eclectic non-mainstream bands > may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. I'll stop there. > > Other than that I agree w/ a good portion of what you have to say..... > > MTV was interesting for a while. I'll admit that when it first came on, I > tuned-in alot. I watched Beavis & Butthead. The reality show - I forget the > name... w/ the guy Puck. The first version of Road Rules. But MTV became > less about music an more about crap reality shows...... Ironic how network > television is following suit.......... The third and final testament to my > theory - the average American has TASTE FOR SHIT! > > Much Music and MTV2 still have their moments and sometimes fill the void. > The show called Control Freak is cool....... > > Bring Back Head Bangers Ball (but not Ricky Rakkman!) > > Ocean Size, > > D From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Mar 15 07:31:18 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:31:18 -0500 Subject: British tour Message-ID: Isn't it near Leds? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gartside" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: British tour > Where in Mnchester? > > > > > > > >From: Mike Montfort > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: British tour > >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:26 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from cpimssmtpa11.msn.com ([207.46.181.24]) by > >mc10-f20.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 12 > >Mar 2003 12:57:39 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa11.msn.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:54 -0800 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with > >ESMTP id PAA25301;Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > >release 1.8d) with spool id 86151 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, > >12 Mar 2003 15:51:38 -0500 > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > >PAA25294 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:51:37 > >-0500 (EST) > >Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com > >[24.92.226.153]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) > >with ESMTP id PAA20527 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 > > 15:51:35 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from deepthought (rrcs-nys-24-97-45-166.biz.rr.com > >[24.97.45.166]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with > >SMTP id h2CKpWbV010213 for ; Wed, 12 Mar > >2003 15:51:34 -0500 (EST) > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > >X-MSN-Trace: {E102A672-0844-4411-B5E8-11DDBECCF512} > >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > >Importance: Normal > >Message-ID: > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >In-Reply-To: <002201c2e8d7$43f46ce0$3dfa0750 at r5g8u8> > >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 20:54:54.0303 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[A1FC9EF0:01C2E8D9] > > > >You missed the postings but there is nothing wrong with keeping the BOC > >jive > >going!! > > > >Mike > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Charlie Grant > >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:38 PM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: BOC: British tour > > > > > >My first posting for ooooh - a year > >either i've missed a posting or i'm the first > >according to blueoystercult.com the band are playing the following dates: > > > >All June > > > >2 Wavedon Milton Keynes, The Stables > >3 Leeds, England Irish Centre > >4 Nottingham, England Rock City > >5 Southampton, England The Brook > >6 London, England The Astoria > >7 Swansea, Wales Patti Pavilion > >8 Wolverhampton Robin 2 > >9 Aberdeen, Scotland Lemon Tree > >10 Glasgow, Scotland Renfrew Ferry > >11 Manchester, England Live Cafe > >12 Newcastle, England Opera House > > > >.......Charles the grinning boy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 From CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET Sat Mar 15 07:46:04 2003 From: CharlieYuga at NETSCAPE.NET (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:46:04 +0100 Subject: HW: say happy b'day Message-ID: I am an evil man, Rich! Ate Schezuan at a Chinese restaurant and got a lamp and a sandwich maker for my birthday plus 50 dollars from my dad with a card. Got drunk and retired early (drank too much beer and had a stiff whiskey at my mom's house) Chr. rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK wrote: >Happy Birthday Christian. > >That's it. > >Rich. > > > > >>cuz today I am 31 ;) >> >>Hawkwind forever, >>Chr. >> >> >> -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 15 13:42:59 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:42:59 -0000 Subject: USA Tours Message-ID: A quick note: Thanks to everybody who has responded so far on my post regarding 1989-97 USA tours. I'm reading and collating and will get back to everybody ASAP. Still room for any more anecdotes or memories of these gigs...and particularly still room to hear from anybody who saw the 1989 tour and formed a band afterwards! Thanks again to all list members who have answered the original postings. Ian Current Reading: "The White Nile" by Alan Moorhead Current Listening: Springsteen Covers UnCut CD Current Viewing: The Avengers DVD with "A Touch of Brimstone" and "Honey for the Prince" Kinky! From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Mar 15 16:11:25 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:11:25 -0600 Subject: HW: irc Message-ID: Hey folks, Just a quick note: dal.net appears to be mostly on its feet again, so we've relegated newnet.net back to "backup" status. If you can't get into dal.net (matrix.de.eu.dal.net and arcor.de.eu.dal.net have been reliable over the last 2 weeks), feel free to try newnet, but I'll keep the status message of the channel accurate. (newnet's channel message currently reads "Please join us back on dal.net" for instance.) thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Mar 15 16:13:49 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:13:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview Message-ID: Hi folks, The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the interview isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock interview in it. If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the scanners at work to get it scanned in. thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Mar 15 16:38:29 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:38:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arin This has also been mentioned on the Nomads mail group. I posted to ask how a UK non-subscriber-to-Locus could get to see the interview and nobody has replied. So if you could, er, make this more available to us then I at least would be v.grateful. Cheers AL --- Arin Komins wrote: > Hi folks, > > The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the > interview > isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock > interview in it. > > If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the > scanners at work to get it scanned in. > > thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Mar 15 16:58:17 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:58:17 -0000 Subject: USA Tours Message-ID: Sorry - meant to say, I've got some Coney Island High pics that I intend scanning shortly - now that I've moved - and they'll be with you, and everyone who asked for them soon. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: USA Tours A quick note: Thanks to everybody who has responded so far on my post regarding 1989-97 USA tours. I'm reading and collating and will get back to everybody ASAP. Still room for any more anecdotes or memories of these gigs...and particularly still room to hear from anybody who saw the 1989 tour and formed a band afterwards! Thanks again to all list members who have answered the original postings. Ian Current Reading: "The White Nile" by Alan Moorhead Current Listening: Springsteen Covers UnCut CD Current Viewing: The Avengers DVD with "A Touch of Brimstone" and "Honey for the Prince" Kinky! From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Mar 15 15:34:42 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:34:42 -0000 Subject: USA Tours Message-ID: >The Avengers DVD with "A Touch of Brimstone" and "Honey for the Prince" Kinky! Touch of Brimstone I remember (who wouldn't - Emma Peel as the Hellfie Club's Queen of Sin :-)) ). Sure I'd have seen the other but doesn't ring a bell - which episode was that? Nick From grodog at PACBELL.NET Sat Mar 15 17:59:12 2003 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:59:12 -0800 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview In-Reply-To: <20030315213829.14833.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll second that request! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Linsley > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:38 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Moorcock interview > > > Hi Arin > > This has also been mentioned on the Nomads mail group. I > posted to ask > how a UK non-subscriber-to-Locus could get to see the interview and > nobody has replied. So if you could, er, make this more available to > us then I at least would be v.grateful. > > Cheers > > AL > --- Arin Komins wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the > > interview > > isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock > > interview in it. > > > > If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the > > scanners at work to get it scanned in. > > > > thanks, > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM Sat Mar 15 20:13:06 2003 From: hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM (Dr. Technical) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:13:06 -0500 Subject: OFF More Moorcock - Review of Philip K Dick Message-ID: "A difficult gift...As The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch is reissued, Michael Moorcock finds he has some problems with Philip K Dick" http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/sciencefiction/0,6121,914290,00.html From kruch7 at COX.NET Sat Mar 15 20:26:04 2003 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:26:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview Message-ID: Yes please scan it in ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview > Hi folks, > > The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the interview > isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock > interview in it. > > If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the > scanners at work to get it scanned in. > > thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM Sun Mar 16 11:41:24 2003 From: fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM (Frank Cinnella) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:41:24 -0500 Subject: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <0cec01c2ea8f$dac71be0$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: Have to agree with DRider on Jannus Landing as a perfect venue. Went to see BOC there last week and they have had some quality acts over the years at good prices. BOC was $16.00 per ticket, and we have seen King Crimson there for $25.00 a shot. I do know the ownership and promoters there and could put HW Management in contact if the band is truly interested. Also, I am sure you would enjoy the "Vacation" time here and we could find you a good place to stay that would beat any hotel room you can find. Feel free to let me know if I can be of any help. Frank Cinnella -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of DRider Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 offline - not gonna do it not w/ all the BS posts that others send..... plus - others might find this helpful somewhere down the line... We be talkin' FLORIDA! Andrew is correct about the Carefree Theater being a potential venue in South Florida. Another good one would be a club called Culture. The Carefree is like the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland - an old movie theatre turned concert venue. They don't get alot of shows there, but the ones they get are good - MMW, Govt. Mule etc... Culture is more eclectic w/ a jamband one night and the ORB another. Steve Kimock is playing there tonight and tomorrow. I have some contacts that may be able to help out w/ scheduling gigs at either one of these venues. If the band wanted to start in the south and work North, there's a decent venue in Orlando called The Social. The Legendary Pink Dots played there some months back..... similar roster as the Culture, but not nearly as big.... In St. Pete, we have one of the best venues in the state: Jannus Landing. This is a restaurant on the front side and the back is an open courtyard w/ large oak trees. Basically the stores that circle the block surround this courtyard. Here in Jacksonville, there are several clubs that would work well. I know the promoter in town personally and could definitely get a gig booked if given enough advance notice. I have already laid the groundwork, so I would just need a heads up...... Just say the word and I would be happy to help out! Peace, D NP: Bozio, Levin & Stevens - Black Light Syndrome -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Apold [mailto:andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Dates & Hawkfest 2003 Um, well, there is the city of Opa-Locka, a Miami suburb that apparently has no connection to the track from WOTEOT. Don't know of any venues there. In West Palm I am wondering if the Carefree theater might be suitable... I know some other hawkfans in the area that I could check with... > Florida,Florida,Florida (that' 3 votes for Florida) > tim > Colin J Allen wrote: > > > > Only if you cannot let me know a possible venue (offline). From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 16 14:35:16 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:35:16 -0500 Subject: OFF More Moorcock - Review of Philip K Dick Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:13:06 -0500, Dr. Technical wrote: >"A difficult gift...As The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch is reissued, >Michael Moorcock finds he has some problems with Philip K Dick" >http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/sciencefiction/0,6121,914290,00.html Thanks for posting this ... an interesting review. Moorcock's issues about the shortcomings of Dick's prose are completely correct IMHO. But that doesn't stop me from having enjoyed reading 'The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch' far more than I've enjoyed reading any Moorcock novel. It may not be great literature, but it *is* the most mind-blowing sci-fi book I've ever read (and probably my favorite PKD novel). (I wonder if the tone of the review has anything to do with the fact that PKD was an utter shithead to the women in his life, a fact not reflected in his writing. On the other hand, as Moorcock notes, his writing certainly does reflect the fact that he was a chronically-paranoid left-leaning speedfreak!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 17 02:36:15 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:36:15 -0000 Subject: USA Tours Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" > >The Avengers DVD with "A Touch of Brimstone" and "Honey for the Prince" > Kinky! > > Touch of Brimstone I remember (who wouldn't - Emma Peel as the Hellfie > Club's Queen of Sin :-)) ). Sure I'd have seen the other but doesn't ring > a bell - which episode was that? Last b/w episode. "Steed becomes a genie, Emma joins a Harem". "Em does a rather clodhopping dance of the seven veils" says the Avengers Dossier. Tasty, oh yes... Ian From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Mar 17 04:00:53 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:00:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: UofE/Here 'n' Now/Tony Hill Message-ID: Gruezi mitenand... As someone just mentioned, there's this very interesting tour taking shape! Not sure if it's good that these are 'competing' with HW dates or not. Maybe some that travel to one, can see both? Haven't cross-compared the dates in terms of geographic correlation. Are tickets on sale for WotW in a way that 'foreigners' can order online? Grakkl (FAA) DAEVID ALLEN'S UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS/HERE & NOW UK and European dates are being booked now. Dates shaping up throughout the UK, Italy, France, Belgium, Austria and possibly Prague. The Errors probably need no introduction here - they are simply an amazing live experience and would be are an absolute must to see. But...it looks like an equally amazing line-up for Here & Now. The band is shaping up to be Keith the Bass and Steffe from the original Here & Now band, alongside Joie and Merv of Eat Static! UK Wed 21 May - Birkenhead Iron Door. Thr 22 May - Oxford Zodiac, 120 Cowley Rd. Fri 23 May - Glastonbury Assembly Rooms, High St. Sat 24 May - Manchester Royal Arms. Sun 25 May - Ashton under Lymne Witchwood Mon 26 May - TBA Tue 27 May - Crewe Limelight. Wed 28 May - Sheffield Boardwalk. Thr 29 May - Leeds The Roscoe. Fri 30 May - Northampton Roadmenders. Sat 31 May - London New Mean Fiddler Tony Hill's Fiction - GIGS We're playing a few shows. It'll be cool to see you guys there. Anyway, the dates... Thursday 3rd April 2003 The Standard Music Venue (Walthamstow, London E17) www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk Thursday 10th April 2003 The Grapes (1 Brentgovel st, Bury st Edmonds, Suffolk) www.grapes-pub-bury.co.uk Monday (bank holiday) 26th May 2003 Gilberts Nite Club (Field st, Willenhall, West Midlands) This event is in aide of The parkinsons Society Of Britain. The festy is being organized by one time Budgie drummer, Pete Boot. www.fillyourheadwithrock.com Saturday 5th July Stamford Riverside Festival 12 miles north of Peterboro' www.stamfordonline.co.uk/riverside/ Anyway, I hope some of you luvly people can make any of the gigs. Take care Dean (Fiction) Tony Hill's Fiction. Another gig Gigs are like buses. Nothing for ages and then a whole bunch of 'erm turn up at once. Typical ! Anyway we got another one at The Club Riga, Southend (westcliffe). It's another sodding support slot but what the hell, it's fun. Saturday 12th April The Club Riga 228 London Road, Westcliff On Sea, Essex SS0 7JG Hope you can make it... Spangles, Rainbows and whoopie www.dreamwater.net/music/fiction Dean From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Mar 17 10:34:31 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:34:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview : :Hi folks, : :The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the interview :isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock :interview in it. : :If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the :scanners at work to get it scanned in. : Forgot the damn magazine at home today :-( Will scan in tomorrow. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Mar 17 13:11:23 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:11:23 +0100 Subject: The MTV generation (not sorry, long ") Message-ID: D-rides... > Henderson Keith writes:[mailto:Keith.Henderson at PSI.CH] > > NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely > coincidental. :) Although I must have to admit that I've considered > recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the > reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran > Duran was the worst band in history. :) (Not counting Country and > Rap "music." And 'serious' techno either.) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Come on man! > Duran Duran - better than the Bee Gees? > There are plenty of bands worse than both of these bands combined. I have a hard time thinking of any. I don't think *any* "sound" of any time in my lifetime was as awful as the "sound" of early-80s techno-pop-new-wave-rubbish. 'Cept maybe horrid disco-jazz amalgam of the late 70s, with comically-bad synth effects. Try a Maynard Ferguson album from c. 1978 as an example. Anyway... > Just turn on any modern rock radio station..... Why? > Better yet a rap/hiphop radio station....... I haven't owned a car since 2001, and even then I almost never listened to radio....and I haven't turned one on here in CH yet. >From a ride or two in friends' cars, I've learned that here they have a text service in car radios that spell out in LED characters the title & artist of the song on the radio currently playing. We also have a boatload of "TeleText" pages on every TV station too, with all sorts of news, sports, weather, enter- tainment crap (concert schedules even)...this is actually really cool. But my guess is that it would be a waste of time to try (commercial) radio, anywhere in the world. :) > How can you put country in the same category as rap? Same category? What are you talking about? I listen to neither, that's the only 'categorization' I was making. > Do you mean to say that a guy w/ as eclectic tastes in music > as you have, that you don't like even one song by Johnny Cash? I remember one song, "Boy Named Sue" from when I was perhaps 8. Prolly wouldn't recognize it now though. > We are in agreement that the best music in the '80s was METAL. Well, what I listened to *most* was metal, and perhaps most of the best music was indeed metal (in a numbers sense), but then if I listed my top 10 favorite albums from that decade *now*, I'm not sure what it would include. Certainly a lot different than what I thought then, even though most of the choices would have existed in my collection at the time. Like I was saying, I think things have aged differently from that time. Whereas 1968-75 music (the best of it anyway) seems never to "age" whatsoever...suppose that's why it's called "Classic Rock." > What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway? > Waiting for the inevitable Jane's reunion? Or has he already > died from heroin overdose? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > hmmm.... > are you just playing devil's advocate? > > Jane's Addiction have a new album about to be released and as > someone said Lollapalooza is coming back. OK, I hadn't heard this... > It bums me out that you would speak so poorly of Perry. Poorly? I was only insinuating that after the end of Lolla- palooza, that he vanished (?) into obscurity. And I wasn't even really sure if he hadn't indeed passed on...though my offhandish remark was just intended as an acknowledgement of the vast quantity of rockers that have so recently departed this earth, many by way of poor living habits. And I think Perry was indeed a fairly serious heroin user in the past at least. So I don't know a bloody thing about Perry's character, or really care one way or the other about how nice a guy he is. Anyway, he was a big part of my initial attraction to Janes' music...he was whiny, which I usually dislike strongly, but his energy and outlandishness worked with the extremes of the group as a whole, so... Oh, and Neil Young...I don't know much at all about him either...wasn't even *really* sure if my memory of him being Canadian was accurate. So I wasn't making any judgement whatsoever about his comment about the war. Just the 'we' part of it...didn't realize that he was a long-time US resident (or perhaps even naturalized?). Certainly not *every* famous Canadian has emigrated to the states! :) Pam, Mike Myers, Michael J. Fox, Wayne Gretzky, Alan Thicke (oh wait, I said *famous*!), the SCTV cast, Avril & Celine... not *all* of the "talent" has gone 'south' has it? :) Grakkl (FAA), who in the future will try harder not to make comments that might be taken multiple ways, lest I offend some folk with thoughts like, "You know, this whole Elizabeth Smart thing is an important reminder that out in Utah there are a lot of weird, dangerous people who travel and preach the gospel, and think that they'll be protected by covering themselves from head to toe in white cotton" :) From youless at LVCM.COM Mon Mar 17 16:54:07 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:54:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview Message-ID: *Excerpt from* the interview is up on the site: http://www.locusmag.com/2003/Issue03/Moorcock.html Steve -------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:13:49 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >Hi folks, > >The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the interview >isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock >interview in it. > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Mar 17 18:25:27 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:25:27 -0000 Subject: HW: WOTEOT Message-ID: Oh!!! - so the CD is being taken off your vinyl then? Blimey - the complete history of a release in one fell swoop.Wonder why they have to take it off a vinyl rather than the master tapes? Sounds omminous. Does that mean Mr Brock no longer has them? Find that hard to believe. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT > I couldnt agree more! > > Come on Hawkwind Management get you're Master Tapes in order. > > I sent my Earthed to the Ground LP to Rob Ayling for re-mastering and nich > heard since. You're [Hawkwind Management] throwing away money. > > > On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 01:15, you wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior. Just > > to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon. > > > > He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if there's > > anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out to > > MP3. So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll > > put you in touch with Sean. > > > > I think this is an aposite moment to discuss MP3s and rips of CDs. (and it > > might avoid some shouty matches on the list) > > > > Bear with me on this... > > > > We're all agreed that selling bootlegs is a *bad thing*. > > > > Most of us agree that trading bootlegs is a *good thing* > > > > When we say "bootlegs", we mean "recordings of Hawkwind (or other band - > > for now I'll just say Hawkwind, but you know what I'm getting at) which are > > not commercially available, but have been recorded by some bloke with a > > condenser mic or recorded by bribing the bloke on the sound desk". > > > > (I've just fired up BBC 6 Music (www.bbc.co.uk/6music) and they're > > advertising Motorhead!!!! 1am GMT, 6/3/03) > > > > Now, this is an interesting one. WOTEOT has been released twice, and > > deleted twice. If your mate offered you an MP3 copy of it, on a cheap 18p > > CD for the price of a pint - not because it cost him the price of a pint > > (to our American Friends - a pint is TWENTY fluid ounces - but that's by > > the by) but because he wanted to give you this great music, does that make > > it pirated, bootleg or illegal? > > > > I know full well that it's both pirated *AND* illegal, but my point is > > this... (I'm probably not making myself clear here) > > > > If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your > > mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you a > > copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it? > > > > My view is that if the thing's deleted, then there's no way you could get a > > copy that would give the band any profit, so - go for it, with the thought > > in the back of your hed that if you ever see that CD with that gorgeous > > pink and blue Rodney Matthews cover, then you'll buy it. > > > > So if anyone wants the sounds of WOTEOT (rather than the full package!), > > drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Sean who can provide you with > > a copy of Warrior - but not the original any more. > > > > So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price (for > > him!)? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Mar 17 18:52:15 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:52:15 +0000 Subject: The Hatters Message-ID: Hi ya, Horslips! I had a buttie heavily into them. Mid-late seventies Irish group who mixed Irish traditional stylie with 70's rock stylie with to my mind mixed results. Some of it is good, some a little pretentous (in a 70's sort of way) Its OK some albums are better than others but don'task me its 10's of years since I heard them. Chris Paul Mather wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:04:34PM +0100, Christian Mumford wrote: > > => >P.P.P.S. To link to that other thread about H bands that you always > => >saw and wondered about while searching for Hawkwind albums in Misc. > => >bins, for me it was Horslips. To this day, I still don't have any clue > => >who this band is/was! But I'd recognize their LPs in a second. > => > > => Haha. With me it was/is The Hatters. They must suck. > > Funnily enough, I believe I have an album by The Hatters, that I > picked up either free or incredibly cheaply from the Record Exchange's > stall at Steppin' Out one Summer. I don't remember what it's called, > but I dimly recall it having either an aubergine or an avocado on the > front. I also don't remember much about what it sounds like (so I > can't say whether "they suck"), as I haven't listened to it in a long > while. Again, my recollection is that it is in the "jam band" vein a > la Screaming Cheetah Wheelies, Cry of Love, et al. Maybe a professed > ex hippie like yourself might actually like it? ;-) > > I guess I should try and give it a spin one of these days. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From kg at THING.DE Tue Mar 18 14:04:45 2003 From: kg at THING.DE (kgerwers) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:04:45 +0100 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: hi everybody, after a long long silence... a lot of response and requests to bring the site back to life AND most of all a generous offer by Jerry Kranitz to host the site, the spirit of the p/age will -eventually- return. I am still in the process of updating the site - adding lots of new stuff etc. maybe some of you can help me out with a few infos and/or material: > I want to update most of the sound-files in terms of quality - does anybody have a 1st generation copy of Calvert reading the poems from "Centigrade 232" and has it -ideally- already copied onto cd? (and of course could pass on a copy...) I already have a copy on tape which is, I believe 2nd or 3rd generation....having something better would be quite good... > can anyone help me out on this: there's a song and a poem by Calvert called "Crane Fly" - but...what's a "Crane Fly" an insect, a construction machine...a mixture of both - my dictionaries won't help... > this is more of a "fan" question - I've bought all of the original "Weird Tapes" feat. Calvert and have seen that they've now been released on cd as well. is the sound-quality "significantly" better...I mean, do I absolutely got to have those? --- and then there were/are (I believe) two releases of Hawkwind live material from 1976. are these identical recordings / the same gig? do those releases feature the same tracks, and which one would you recommend? > another / similar request: what about that "Revenge" release - is the quality exceeding that of the tape that was around (and which I already have)? > and.... of course, if you think you have any material that might find its place on the Calvert-site, do let me know... - oh yes, I am in possession of one of those original 8-track copies of the Capt. Lockheed albums - I don't have a machine to play it, have the cd etc....so, if anyone's interested, I'd be happy to swap it with all things Calvertian... - or, in case you have a cd copy of the moorcock entropy-tango / gloriana recordings... - if you got anything you like to offer / swap, please mail to my own account - thanks best, knut.gerwers From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 18 15:57:18 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:57:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: testing 2 Message-ID: I think my first testing message didn't go through. Trying this one w/o x-no-archive header. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 18 15:38:11 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:38:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: testing Message-ID: testing to see if this will show up in the list archives. (ie. if listserv obeys x-no-archive: headers.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 18 16:20:43 2003 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:20:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Transferable tickets Message-ID: Hi, More of a question for Kris or Colin really, but others may be interested in any reply .... I have pre Xmas 02 tickets for the postponed HW gig at Bristol. Now that the gig has been re-scheduled for May 03, how do I ensure not getting turned away at the door by some jobsworth who might think that "old" tickets are no longer valid? Should I get replacements from the venue beforehand, to iron out any problems? Any ideas? Cheers, Jez From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 18 16:32:31 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:32:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: OFF: Moorcock interview : :Hi folks, : :The new Locus magazine (http://www.locusmag.com/, although the interview :isn't up on their website at the moment) has a long Mike Moorcock :interview in it. : :If anyone is interested, let me know. I might be able to abuse the :scanners at work to get it scanned in. http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/moorcock/ pdf format, 5 pages. Note: this is copyrighted material. Please do whatever is necessary to ensure that you have a legal copy of this, as I really don't want to get into trouble. Plus, Locus is a decent mag for sf/f/h/etc and should be supported. This is intended for this list only. Please do not forward to anyone else. (username: bocl, password .... moorcock's favorite city, all lowercased. If you can't figure it out, holler at me in private email, and I'll send it along. I just don't want the password up where the web archives of the list can snaffle it. Hence a small (mostly useless) bit of obfuscation.) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 18 16:31:14 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:31:14 -0600 Subject: OFF: testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: OFF: testing : :testing to see if this will show up in the list archives. :(ie. if listserv obeys x-no-archive: headers.) : piffle. The answer appears to be "no" :-( Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Mar 18 17:33:48 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:33:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Mini Tour Message-ID: STAR WARRIORS + ++ + + Full Details of spring mini-tour venues are on Mission Control Please tune in for updates regularly.. more dates to be added. As ever, treat Mission Control is your OFFICIAL Hawkwind resource http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm ++ MESSAGE ENDS.... www.hawkwind.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 18 16:32:10 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:32:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Transferable tickets Message-ID: As I understand it, December tickets for Birmingham and Bristol will be valid on the door. The venues are aware of the situation and will be reminded of it on the day of the gig. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Dacombe" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: HW: Transferable tickets Hi, More of a question for Kris or Colin really, but others may be interested in any reply .... I have pre Xmas 02 tickets for the postponed HW gig at Bristol. Now that the gig has been re-scheduled for May 03, how do I ensure not getting turned away at the door by some jobsworth who might think that "old" tickets are no longer valid? Should I get replacements from the venue beforehand, to iron out any problems? Any ideas? Cheers, Jez From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Tue Mar 18 22:29:58 2003 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:29:58 -0500 Subject: BOC Tabs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heh all, I been searching for BOC guitar tabs, but keep finding the same ones at multiple sites. The ones I can't find are Godzilla, Dom & Submission, Agents of Fortune, and Black Blade. Any help would be appreciated. Dave From Mark.Gorst at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 19 02:09:59 2003 From: Mark.Gorst at BTINTERNET.COM (Mark Gorst) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:09:59 -0000 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: "Crane Fly" is also known as the "daddy long legs" - it's flying insect, looks more like a spider.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "kgerwers" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos > hi everybody, > after a long long silence... > a lot of response and requests to bring the site back to life > AND most of all a generous offer by Jerry Kranitz to host the site, > the spirit of the p/age will -eventually- return. > I am still in the process of updating the site - adding lots of new stuff etc. > > maybe some of you can help me out with a few infos and/or material: > > > I want to update most of the sound-files in terms of quality - does anybody > have a 1st generation copy of Calvert reading the poems from "Centigrade 232" > and has it -ideally- already copied onto cd? (and of course could pass on a copy...) > I already have a copy on tape which is, I believe 2nd or 3rd generation....having something > better would be quite good... > > > can anyone help me out on this: there's a song and a poem by Calvert called "Crane Fly" - > but...what's a "Crane Fly" an insect, a construction machine...a mixture of both - my dictionaries won't help... > > > this is more of a "fan" question - I've bought all of the original "Weird Tapes" > feat. Calvert and have seen that they've now been released on cd as well. > is the sound-quality "significantly" better...I mean, do I absolutely got to have those? > --- and then there were/are (I believe) two releases of Hawkwind live material from 1976. > are these identical recordings / the same gig? do those releases feature the same tracks, > and which one would you recommend? > > > another / similar request: what about that "Revenge" release - is the quality exceeding > that of the tape that was around (and which I already have)? > > > and.... of course, if you think you have any material that might find its place on the > Calvert-site, do let me know... > > - oh yes, I am in possession of one of those original 8-track copies of the Capt. Lockheed > albums - I don't have a machine to play it, have the cd etc....so, if anyone's interested, I'd be > happy to swap it with all things Calvertian... - or, in case you have a cd copy of the moorcock > entropy-tango / gloriana recordings... - if you got anything you like to offer / swap, please > mail to my own account - thanks > > best, > knut.gerwers From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Mar 19 05:09:22 2003 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:09:22 +0100 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: Seems to be a "daddy longlegs" :-) Encyclopedia.com crane fly crane fly,true flyresembling a mosquito, often called daddy longlegs because of its six long, delicate legs. (The harvestman, also called daddy longlegs, belongs to an unrelated order.) Most species of crane flies have a single pair of wings and slender bodies. They feed upon plant substances and frequent damp places ... Merriam Webster: Main Entry: crane fly Function: noun Date: 1658 : any of a family (Tipulidae) of long-legged slender dipteran flies that resemble large mosquitoes but do not bite best regards, Ketil Svendsen, Norway ps. happy to hear your site'll be back online! > > can anyone help me out on this: there's a song and a poem by Calvert called "Crane Fly" - > but...what's a "Crane Fly" an insect, a construction machine...a mixture of both - my dictionaries won't help... From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 05:33:52 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:33:52 -0000 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: >hi everybody, >after a long long silence... >a lot of response and requests to bring the site back to life Is this the site that used to have audio/gif animation of the 10th second of forever, if so yeeehaaaaa - it was a corking site, - can you rebuild the above synchronised piece. >AND most of all a generous offer by Jerry Kranitz to host the site, Three cheers for good 'ol Jerry Hip Hip.... Maxine From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 19 06:49:36 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:49:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Spring Mini Tour/WotW Message-ID: Um...this is all great and everything. I'm happy that these dates are coming together. However, what's the deal with WotW? All mentions of it are gone from HW-MC it seems, as though it had never existed. Of course, I began to suspect that something terrible was amiss, and searched in more detail on the web to discover that a suitable venue for the production could not be found for that date, 3 May, 2003. So they've rescheduled it (again) for sometime around 2 August, 2003, in other words, one week before the intended Summerfest in the Lake District. OK, so, was it actually announced here (or anywhere) that the event was postponed? Maybe some of us would have liked to have heard this information, I dunno. :) Anyway, my question is now...will HW still intend to perform at WotW if and when it happens in early August? Will this be decided far enough in advance for those of us who might then want to plan for a double-weekend in the UK for both events? And does anybody know anything interesting going on around London (or anywhere in the southern half of England I suppose) over the weekend of 3.May? I've got some time to kill. :) Concerts, fests, beer drinking contests, Tony-Blair-effigy-burning, etc. Grakkl (FAA) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 07:31:27 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:31:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Mini Tour/WotW Message-ID: A notice about WOTW and the band's involvement will be on MC very soon, that being the official source of information about the band's activities. Unfortunately, communication with Red Planet Productions has been "difficult" at best and we were not informed of the lastest cancellation. Not sure about Tony Blair effigy burnings that weekend; maybe we could burn the real thing though? Colin On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:49:36 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >Um...this is all great and everything. >I'm happy that these dates are coming together. > >However, what's the deal with WotW? > >All mentions of it are gone from HW-MC it seems, >as though it had never existed. > >Of course, I began to suspect that something terrible >was amiss, and searched in more detail on the web to >discover that a suitable venue for the production could >not be found for that date, 3 May, 2003. > >So they've rescheduled it (again) for sometime around >2 August, 2003, in other words, one week before the >intended Summerfest in the Lake District. > >OK, so, was it actually announced here (or anywhere) that >the event was postponed? Maybe some of us would have >liked to have heard this information, I dunno. :) > >Anyway, my question is now...will HW still intend to >perform at WotW if and when it happens in early August? >Will this be decided far enough in advance for those >of us who might then want to plan for a double-weekend >in the UK for both events? > >And does anybody know anything interesting going on >around London (or anywhere in the southern half of >England I suppose) over the weekend of 3.May? I've >got some time to kill. :) Concerts, fests, beer >drinking contests, Tony-Blair-effigy-burning, etc. > >Grakkl (FAA) From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 07:45:00 2003 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:45:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Lightshow artwork wanted Message-ID: Hi, Would you like to see your name in lights at the next Hawkwind gig? Well, perhaps not quite your name, but if you are a budding artist and have any suitable original artwork that you think could be used in the lightshow, then here's your chance to see it used. As you may have noticed we have the ability to project any still images or animations/video sequences behind the band, and are always on the lookout for new material. We can accept images in almost any format such as BMP, JPEG, AVI or just plain old paper that we can scan. If you have a flick-book animation (running stick man anyone?), then we can scan that and produce a suitable video file from that. It must be *original* artwork and preferrably in keeping with the Hawkwind style (plenty to go at there then). Simple kaleidoscope type patterns are most welcome, and high contrast black and white images are also good, as they can easily be used or animated by us, but more specific art is also useful as long as it can be related to the songs being played, far-off planets are a good bet. Or dogs that talk like boys. You can EMail any bitmaps, GIFs or AVIs to artwork at chaosillumination.co.uk The higher resolution the better as far as we're concerned, but please EMail us first before posting more than about 5Mb per file. If you want to send us paper then drop us an EMail and we'll arrange something. By sending Chaos Illumination artwork you will be agreeing to Chaos Illumination using it directly or indirectly at any Hawkwind (only) show at our and the bands' discretion. We may warp or distort the images as we feel neccessary to fit in with the show. You will also agree to the artwork being filmed or photographed for potential transfer to videocassette, DVD or other distribution. No payment will be made for any artwork used. The copyright of any artwork supplied to Chaos Illumination will remain with the provider. Thanks, Chaos Illumination. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 19 06:13:22 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:13:22 EDT Subject: BOC Tabs In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030318222647.0570af00@mail.hypernova.net> Message-ID: On 18 Mar 2003 at 22:29, dhuggins wrote: > Heh all, > > I been searching for BOC guitar tabs, but keep finding the same ones > at multiple sites. The ones I can't find are Godzilla, Dom & > Submission, Agents of Fortune, and Black Blade. > > Any help would be appreciated. > Have you gotten the TAB book for Cult Classic yet? It's got all the tunes from that album, and is pretty accurate... theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 19 14:07:46 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:07:46 -0500 Subject: HW: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: Hello Knut, Great to have you on board! On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:04:45 +0100, kgerwers wrote: >hi everybody, >after a long long silence... >a lot of response and requests to bring the site back to life >AND most of all a generous offer by Jerry Kranitz to host the site, >the spirit of the p/age will -eventually- return. >I am still in the process of updating the site - adding lots of new >stuff etc. That's fantastic news. I'm definitely looking forward to the update ... >maybe some of you can help me out with a few infos and/or material: > >> this is more of a "fan" question - I've bought all of the >> original "Weird Tapes" feat. Calvert and have seen that they've now >> been released on cd as well. >> is the sound-quality "significantly" better...I mean, do I absolutely >> got to have those? I don't have the original cassettes. The CD reissues do include a "remastering" credit, but the sound quality is pretty much the same as on other LP/CD releases which have included the same material (Sonic Assassins tracks, "Spirit of the Age" from 'F&R vol.2', "Valium Ten", etc.). I'd say they're not an *absolute* must if you already have the tapes, but even if I'd already owned the tapes, I probably would have gotten them anyway, since they're very good. >--- and then there were/are (I believe) two releases of Hawkwind live >material from 1976. are these identical recordings / the same gig? The two releases are the single-CD 'Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures' (Griffin), and the double-CD 'Atomhenge 76' (Voiceprint). They're both taken from the same gig. >do those releases feature the same tracks, >and which one would you recommend? Definitely 'Atomhenge 76' since it includes the entire set. The single CD doesn't contain any tracks not found on 'Atomhenge 76'. >> another / similar request: what about that "Revenge" release - is the >> quality exceeding that of the tape that was around (and which I already >> have)? I don't have the tape, but I can't imagine that the sound quality is any rougher than the CD! So again, not an *essential* purchase if you already have the tape. Hope this helps ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Mar 19 14:33:03 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:33:03 -0500 Subject: HW: the calvert site...needs some infos In-Reply-To: <200303191907.OAA22509@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: >>> another / similar request: what about that "Revenge" release - is the >>> quality exceeding that of the tape that was around (and which I already >>> have)? > > I don't have the tape, but I can't imagine that the sound quality is any > rougher than the CD! So again, not an *essential* purchase if you already > have the tape. Just a note on this. If anyone wants the Revenge CD, but is having trouble finding it, there was a copy at a local record shop last I looked. I'd be willing to work out payment or a trade. Brian NP> Nothing. I've been way too busy! From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 18:58:28 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:58:28 -0000 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "kgerwers" Hi Knut - glad to hear the spirit of the (p)age is coming to life again! > does anybody have a 1st generation copy of Calvert > reading the poems from "Centigrade 232" Yes, I have one of the original Harbour Production tapes of this - no.32 of 500 signed by Robert Calvert. 8-) Would you like to borrow it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 19:02:15 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:02:15 -0000 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gorst" > "Crane Fly" is also known as the "daddy long legs" - it's flying insect, > looks more like a spider.... It has a short thorax, a long narrow abdomen about 1 inch or so [3-4cms] in length and is an unprepossessing dull brownish grey colour with very narrow long wings and terribly fragile jointed legs - at least as long as its body. They appear from goodness only knows where at the end of summer and fly or crawl up the walls to try and get into the warmth of houses in the cool evenings. Once inside they will head for the nearest light source but on the whole are fairly torpid and having found somewhere warm and safe will stay there for hours or even days - usually just out of reach. The dreadful trait they have is a tendency to lose their legs when frightened or struggling to escape so trying to pick one up to liberate it out of the window can be a distressing experience. In their larval form they are called "leatherjackets" and are a favourite food of starlings. Finally, some literary personage (CS Lewis perhaps?) wrote a book of moral sensibleness to a young child under the pseudonym of Daddy Long Legs, and though I was much encouraged to read it, I never did. Which probably explains a lot! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Mar 19 19:05:56 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:05:56 -0500 Subject: HW: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: What a coincidence,just found a copy in the `music 4 less' cutout bin along with lloyd langton group `elegy' 2 for $10!! tim Brian Halligan wrote: > > Doug Pearson wrote: > > > >>> another / similar request: what about that "Revenge" release - is the > >>> quality exceeding that of the tape that was around (and which I already > >>> have)? > > > > I don't have the tape, but I can't imagine that the sound quality is any > > rougher than the CD! So again, not an *essential* purchase if you already > > have the tape. > > Just a note on this. If anyone wants the Revenge CD, but is having trouble > finding it, there was a copy at a local record shop last I looked. I'd be > willing to work out payment or a trade. > > Brian > > NP> Nothing. I've been way too busy! From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Thu Mar 20 06:46:38 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:46:38 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Subject: Urgent - U.N. Petition. They are now evacuating non-essential personnel from the US embassies in the middle-east. This means they are about to start. All it takes is 20% of us to cry out for "NO WAR", but they say our numbers are more like 2%. The United States Congress has authorized the President of the U.S. to go to war against Iraq. Please consider this an urgent request. Petition for Peace. Stand for Peace. Islam is not the Enemy. War is NOT the Answer. Today we are at a point of imbalance in the world and are moving toward what may be the beginning of a THIRD WORLD WAR. If you are against this possibility, the UN is gathering signatures in an effort to avoid a tragic world event. Please COPY (rather than Forward) this e-mail in a new message, sign at the end of the list, and send it to all the people whom you know. If you receive this list with more than 500 names signed, please send a copy of the message to: usa at un.int and president at whitehouse.gov president at whitehouse.gov. Even if you decide not to sign, please consider forwarding the petition on instead of eliminating it. > 1) Suzanne Dathe, Grenoble, France 2) Laurence COMPARAT, Grenoble, France 3) Philippe MOTTE, Grenoble, France 4) Jok FERRAND, Mont St. Martin, France 5) Emmanuelle PIGNOL, St Martin d'Heres, FRANCE 6) Marie GAUTHIER, Grenoble, FRANCE 7) Laurent VESCALO, Grenoble, FRANCE 8) Mathieu MOY, St Egreve, FRANCE 9) Bernard BLANCHET, Mont St Martin,FRANCE 10) Tassadite FAVRIE, Grenoble, FRANCE 11) Loic GODARD, St Ismier, FRANCE 12) Benedicte PASCAL, Grenoble, FRANCE 13) Khedaidja BENATIA, Grenoble, FRANCE 14) Marie-Therese LLORET, Grenoble,FRANCE 15) Benoit THEAU, Poitiers, FRANCE 16) Bruno CONSTANTIN, Poitiers, FRANCE 17) Christian COGNARD, Poitiers, FRANCE 18) Robert GARDETTE, Paris, FRANCE 19) Claude CHEVILLARD, Montpellier, FRANCE 20) gilles FREISS, Montpellier, FRANCE 21) Patrick AUGEREAU, Montpellier, FRANCE 22) Jean IMBERT, Marseille, FRANCE 23) Jean-Claude MURAT, Toulouse, France 25) Mireia DUNACH, Barcelona, Catalonia 26) Michel VILLAZ, Grenoble, France 27) Pages Frederique, Dijon, France 28) Rodolphe FISCHMEISTER,Chatenay-Malabry, France 29) Francois BOUTEAU, Paris, France 30) Patrick PETER, Paris, France 31) Lorenza RADICI, Paris, France 32) Monika Siegenthaler, Bern, Switzerland 33) Mark Philp, Glasgow, Scotland 34) Tomas Andersson, Stockholm, Sweden 35) Jonas Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 36) Karin Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 37) Ake Ljung, Stockholm, Sweden 38) Carina Sedlmayer, Stockholm, Sweden 39) Rebecca Uddman, Stockholm, Sweden 40) Lena Skog, Stockholm, Sweden 41) Micael Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 42) Britt-Marie Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 43) Birgitta Schuberth, Stockholm, Sweden 44) Lena Dahl, Stockholm, Sweden 45) Ebba Karlsson, Stockholm, Sweden 46) Jessica Carlsson, Vaxjo, Sweden 47) Sara Blomquist, Vaxjo, Sweden 48) Magdalena Fosseus, Vaxjo, Sweden 49) Charlotta Langner, Goteborg, Sweden 50) Andrea Egedal, Goteborg, Sweden 51) Lena Persson, Stockholm, Sweden 52) Magnus Linder, Umea ,Sweden 53) Petra Olofsson, Umea, Sweden 54) Caroline Evenbom, Vaxjo, Sweden 55) Asa Peterson, Grimes, Sweden 56) Jessica Bjork, Grimes, Sweden 57) Linda Ahlbom Goteborg, Sweden 58) Jenny Forsman, Boras, Sweden 59) Nina Gunnarson, Kinna, Sweden 60) Andrew Harrison, New Zealand 61) Bryre Murphy, New Zealand 62) Claire Lugton, New Zealand 63) Sarah Thornton, New Zealand 64) Rachel Eade, New Zealand 65) Magnus Hjert, London, UK 67) Madeleine Stamvik, Hurley, UK 68) Susanne Nowlan, Vermont, USA 69) Lotta Svenby, Malmoe, Sweden 70) Adina Giselsson, Malmoe, Sweden 71) Anders Kullman, Stockholm, Sweden 72) Rebecka Swane, Stockholm, Sweden 73) Jens Venge, Stockholm, Sweden 74) Catharina Ekdahl, Stockholm, Sweden 75) Nina Fylkegard, Stockholm, Sweden 76) Therese Stedman, Malmoe, Sweden 77) Jannica Lund, Stockholm, Sweden 78) Douglas Bratt 79) Mats Lofstrom, Stockholm, Sweden 80) Li Lindstrom, Sweden 81) Ursula Mueller, Sweden 82) Marianne Komstadius, Stockholm, Sweden 83) Peter Thyselius, Stockholm, Sweden 84) Gonzalo Oviedo, Quito, Ecuador 85) Amalia Romeo, Gland, Switzerland 86) Margarita Restrepo, Gland, Switzerland 87) Eliane Ruster, Crans p.C., Switzerland 88) Jennifer Bischoff-Elder, Hong Kong 89) Azita Lashgari, Beirut, Lebanon 90) Khashayar Ostovany, New York, USA 91) Lisa L Miller, Reno NV 92) Danielle Avazian, Los Angeles, CA 93) Sara Risher,Los Angeles,Ca. 94) Melanie London, New York, NY 95) Susan Brownstein , Los Angeles, CA 96) Steven Raspa, San Francisco, CA 97) Margot Duane, Ross, CA 98) Natasha Darnall, Los Angeles, CA 99) Candace Brower, Evanston, IL 100) James Kjelland, Evanston, IL 101) Michael Jampole, Beach Park, IL, USA 102) Diane Willis, Wilmette, IL, USA 103) Sharri Russell, Roanoke, VA, USA 104) Faye Cooley, Roanoke, VA, USA 105) Celeste Thompson, Round Rock, TX, USA 106) Sherry Stang, Pflugerville, TX, USA 107) Amy J. 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Nowak, South Bend, IN U.S.A. 285) Dennis Moore, South Bend, IN USA 286) John Haynes, South Bend, IN USA 287) Jessica Chalmers, South Bend, IN USA 288) Tiela Chalmers, San Francisco, CA USA 289)Anne Firth Murray, Palo Alto, CA, USA 290) Cynthia Carey-Grant, Oakland, CA 291) Yeshica Weerasekera, San Francisco, CA USA 292) William Tobey, South Burlington, VT USA 293) Susan Tobey, Lexington, MA, USA 294) Eugenie Delaney, N. Ferrisburgh, VT USA 294) Susan Raber Bray,Charlotte yt usa 295) Lynn Imperatore 296) Beth Haggart, VT USA 297) Martha L. Dyson, VT USA 298) Annette Browne, VT USA 299) Heather Finley, VT USA 300) Laurel Clark, VT USA 301) John Tobey Clark USA 302) Julie Burger Pierson, VT USA 303) Martha Lawton Nielsen, RI USA 304) Louis Nielsen , RI, USA 305) Lina Ivar Andersen, Copenhagen, Denmark 306) Malene Raagaard, Copenhagen, Denmark 307) Thomas Enghave, Copenhagen, Denmark 308) Jonas Fjelding Carlsen, Copenhagen, Denmark 309) Piet Voulhoej, Copenhager, Denemark 310) Nikolaj Lykke Nielsen, Copenhagen, Denmark 311) R. Scott Heller, Copenhagen, Denmark From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Mar 20 08:47:19 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:47:19 -0700 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <6C4C2180C82034499D3755A78D0D1254884FE1@exdkba022.novo.dk> Message-ID: Hi Scott (and everyone else on boc-l)-- This looks very much like another "UN sponsored" petition that I received, which turned out not to be UN sponsored at all (at least, according to the UN web site). There is a declaration against war, sponsored by MoveOn.org, which might be a more effective way of expressing resistance. If you want to sign it, go to http://www.moveon.org/declaration. The declaration will be revealed in a press conference on Friday, March 21st, along with the number of signers. True Majority is another excellent organization (http://www.truemajority.com), and I'd encourage peace-minded folks from all over the world to get involved in both. Thanks, Guido SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: >Subject: Urgent - U.N. Petition. > >They are now evacuating non-essential personnel from > >the US embassies in the middle-east. This means they > >are about to start. All it takes is 20% of us to cry > >out for "NO WAR", but they say our numbers are more > >like 2%. > >The United States Congress has authorized the > >President of the U.S. to go to war against Iraq. > > > >Please consider this an urgent request. Petition for > >Peace. Stand for Peace. Islam is not the Enemy. War is > >NOT the Answer. Today we are at a point of imbalance > >in the world and are moving toward what may be the > >beginning of a THIRD WORLD WAR. If you are against > >this possibility, the UN is gathering signatures in an > >effort to avoid a tragic world event. Please COPY > >(rather than Forward) this e-mail in a new message, > >sign at the end of the list, and send it to all the > >people whom you know. If you receive this list with > >more than 500 names signed, please send a copy of the > >message to: usa at un.int and > >president at whitehouse.gov > >president at whitehouse.gov. Even if you decide not to >sign, > >please consider forwarding the petition on instead of eliminating it. > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 20 13:35:17 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:35:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: speaking your mind (was: Guido) In-Reply-To: <20020925125628.GA8029@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Hey, here's an old argument. I was going to reply to Paul through private mail then I thought that would be missing the point. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote: > => I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my > => contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than > => your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it > => now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something > => happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now > => would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! > > What are you, the thought police? > > This is disgraceful. Guido has been on this list literally for years, > and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made > many positive contributions to the list and its society. > > What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so > cloying on BOC-L now. It seems there is little tolerance for > dissenting voices. You can't dislike the Web site. You can't > complain about the band. You can't like Nik because you are being > disloyal to Dave. You can't do this, you can't do that. The Emperor > is wearing a fine set of threads. > > The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the > other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling > fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... > > It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive > thing. > > I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion. I'll "STFU" now. I'm always glad of someone saying this. One of the nice things about BOC-L has always been that it's got more brains than any Usenet forum, and more respect for opinions. We're centred around two bands who've done "... questionable things" in their time (_Mirrors_ and _Space Bandits_, and royalty cheques all round) so we know they're not perfect, we know in too much detail maybe. To maintain blind loyalty when things are plainly being done less well than they have been, or, indeed, will be (because both bands have been through good patches since I signed up to BOC-L and BOC at least are still in one and various people whose opinions I respect think Hawkwind is too) is to abdicate the use of your brain, and it's because we've got brains we're into the music in the first place. It's not just about choosing your new infallible figure. That doesn't mean we can't have fully-sighted loyalty of course but there has to be room for criticism and judgement. After all, as Tool put it, everything we know about the bands is what they've sold us, so I'd say deciding whether or not we `buy it' is fair enough, no? So I nail my current opinions to the mast. BOC-L has more rubbish traffic on it these days than it did four years ago but much less than it did a year ago, thank gods. There is now no-one I would kill-file (I am reading up to date, just not finding much time to write). Hooray. The (HW) website is much improved from when I posted my long critque of it. Now there seems to be only one Javascript error per page (Line 67: undefined is not a number) and the updates page is only duplicated twice. Maybe Rik took my comments into account, as I didn't expect after he was kind enough to heap abuse on me for my browser choice, maybe not, either way I won't give forth on that again until his update is finished. Tell you what though, the BOC website is great and I've never had any problems with it. I *always* have something to complain about with Hawkwind. This is because I hold them to ridiculously high standards, I freely admit, because they have been at various times my personal passport to transcendence and it's nice to have that reliably available. Right now, actually, I can't complain very much. When the new album still isn't out by Christmas and there's no winter tour, maybe then I'll complain. Anything else would just be my black-hearted suspicion. But I am going to greet the new album cautiously because I think they missed their absolute peak for recording it. And I do hope someone will eventually get Doug Smith back on board so that the mess with EBS can be sorted out, not that I want Colin to lose his job obviously because if an album follows this tour he's clearly doing something right :-) BOC appear to be doing everything right except writing new songs and having Buck play lead guitar with the Brain Surgeons some gigs, so I'll just say, hurray, they're coming over in June and pass on with that, with but an eager glance in the direction of the next batch of remasters. Both Nik and Dave have their faults, and Nik may possibly be more fun and more active (if less together). But as long as Dave is producing new music (ah... ) he's clearly got the edge. Does it matter, as long as what they're doing isn't interfering with the other? Of course not. Right now we've got both regularly gigging, in several of the same venues even, and no whisper of lawsuits, and though the Space Ritual.net album is a woeful pile of single-chord uninspiration in my opinion I say good luck to 'em both and I just wish Nik hadn't managed to blow up ICU by dealing with Dave Anderson (which is my guess only I stress). It's not as if there's, like, enough space-rock or anything. But in both cases, the loyalty these people want from me is located in my pocket, and I'm happy to give it to anyone who's turning out decent-quality music and making it easy for me to get it, that's the way I see it. Yours all, Jonathan ObCD-R: Farflung - _Live with Nik Turner_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 20 13:43:11 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:43:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: speaking your mind (was: Guido) Message-ID: > Hey, here's an old argument. I was going to reply to Paul through > private mail then I thought that would be missing the point. > snip > forum, and more respect for opinions. We're centred around two bands > who've done "... questionable things" in their time (_Mirrors_ and _Space > Bandits_, and royalty cheques all round) so we know they're not perfect, but I like Mirrors and Space Bandits..... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 20 12:55:49 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:55:49 EDT Subject: OFF: speaking your mind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Mar 2003 at 18:35, Jon Jarrett wrote: > One of the nice things > about BOC-L has always been that it's got more brains than any Usenet > forum, and more respect for opinions. We're centred around two bands > who've done "... questionable things" in their time (_Mirrors_ and > _Space Bandits_, and royalty cheques all round) so we know they're not > perfect, we know in too much detail maybe. To maintain blind loyalty > when things are plainly being done less well than they have been, or, > indeed, will be (because both bands have been through good patches > since I signed up to BOC-L and BOC at least are still in one and > various people whose opinions I respect think Hawkwind is too) is to > abdicate the use of your brain, and it's because we've got brains > we're into the music in the first place. It's not just about choosing > your new infallible figure. That doesn't mean we can't have > fully-sighted loyalty of course but there has to be room for criticism > and judgement. > One of the best things about this list. The members feel free to criticize the bands. On other lists, you never see one word of criticism. I love B?C, but I'll be the forst to point out when they've had a less-than-great show. Hell, they're entitled, given they've played a couple thousand shows over their careers! Tell you what though, the BOC website is great > and I've never had any problems with it. > Buck's site is pretty impressive too... > BOC appear to be doing everything right except writing new > songs I wonder what their status is with Sanctuary/CMC? Does this new comp CD indicate they're finishing their contract? It is notable that B?C had a lot of down time [for them] this winter, so hopefully they're working on some new stuff. Anyone heard rumors? > and having Buck play lead guitar with the Brain Surgeons some gigs, so > I'll just say, hurray, they're coming over in June and pass on with > that, with but an eager glance in the direction of the next batch of > remasters. > Looks like you'll have some good shows too, esp. if they keep up with polishing off old, rarely played material for the set. You may have to sacrifice some favorites like Flaming Telepaths or LDoM, though... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 20 12:56:49 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:56:49 EDT Subject: OFF: speaking your mind (was: Guido) In-Reply-To: <001701c2ef10$97b12780$298f8497@AAA> Message-ID: On 20 Mar 2003 at 13:43, Andrew Apold wrote: We're centred around two bands > > who've done "... questionable things" in their time (_Mirrors_ and > > _Space Bandits_, and royalty cheques all round) so we know they're > > not perfect, > > > but I like Mirrors and Space Bandits..... What, no heaped abuse for Club Ninja? theo From andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG Thu Mar 20 15:37:28 2003 From: andrew at SILVERWATER.ORG (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:37:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: speaking your mind (was: Guido) Message-ID: > > but I like Mirrors and Space Bandits..... > > What, no heaped abuse for Club Ninja? (hands over his ears) There is no such thing as Ninja! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 20 16:54:53 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:54:53 -0400 Subject: HW: UPDATE on The One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK ( New Free tunes & more!! ) Message-ID: Greetings friends, Having found this moment to write, I'd like to update you on The One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK The One Eyed Bishops: The OEBs are currently booking concert & festival dates for their summer 2003 season. Our next appearance will be at Borders Books in Mays Landing New Jersey, Friday, April 18th ( see http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com under shows ). We'll be pulling out some different & new material, as well as supporting our soon to be released new album entitled: The One Eyed Bishops @ The School of Rock-n-Roll. *As a taster for the new album, I have uploaded two cuts to our website. The titles are: 'The Red Rooster' & 'Hymie The Winey' Personnel for these tracks include the following: Mike Burro, Jay Adcock, Phil Smith ( Headsmith), Keith Grant Evans ( The Downliners Sect) & Paul 'Prof' McDowell (The Famous Potatoes) post production & engineering by Terry Clemson ( The Downliners Sect, Gene Vincent, The TT's) In addition, I continue to make current demo & live recordings available to those who are interested and have just replaced and rearranged the song list at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Included now are three new demos straight from the studio 2 u! I am happy to offer a new original composition to The OEBs repertoire entitled, 'All I want is You'. This version with an additional lead guitar was an experiment. In actuality I prefer the instrumentation without the lead work. Also a variation of Carl Perkins' 'Boppin The Blues' NEW SLOTERDIJK RECORDINGS & NEWS SLOTERDIJK has contributed to the Hawkwind tribute cd being released by Godreah Records UK. www.godreah.com Other artists include, Tim Blake ( Hawkwind, Gong), Huw Lloyd Langton ( Hawkwind), Alan Davey ( Hawkwind, Bedouin), Harvey Bainbridge ( Hawkwind, Intersteller Chaos), Spacehead & more. This is sure to be an exceptional comp! I have also uploaded a new version of an old tune ( much shorter too) for all you SLOTERDIJK supporters. 'Integration 203' basically represents my trying to figure out how to teach the instrument parts to other musicians. It's rather rough, and not of any great significance, other than, that it represents my interest in putting together a new lineup ( with Jay Adcock remaining) and possibly doing a few very select live dates. Sloterdijk will no longer employ drum machines for percussive programming. I will be looking to add a live drummer, synth player, and bassist; as well as an additional lead guitarist. It will be Jay Adcock's choice as to whether he wants to remain on guitar & synth, or to take up the drumkit. Recently it has come to my attention, that a lot more people are interested in seeing SLOTERDIJK than I realistically imagined. Although I continue to press ahead with The OEBs, it seems there is a genuine and sincere interest in SLOTERDIJK. I'd like to thank those of you who have written or have purchased various cds. Every cent goes directly back into the band(s) most likely funding travel expenses somewhere down the line. Your continued interest in Sloterdijk, is what keeps me interested in Sloterdijk Enjoy the music! Cheers! Mike Burro From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 20 17:55:37 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Farfliver) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung info Message-ID: Some news from Farflung: 'When Science Fails' will be re-released to hopefully wider distribution. Falcata-Galia (the label WSF came out on last year) has apparently folded and moved to Europe, helping to explain why it was so difficult to get a hold of the album. There is a new FF album in the works, which will consist of 'refined jams' from the 2002 European 'Mission Under Gravity' tour plus new studio stuff. Things are looking up. See You Up There, Stephan From kg at THING.DE Fri Mar 21 00:30:43 2003 From: kg at THING.DE (kgerwers) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 06:30:43 +0100 Subject: the calvert site...needs some infos Message-ID: hi everybody - many thanks for the infos, kind words and offers to everyone! I am replying privately re. the offers and stuff... best, knut From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Mar 21 13:22:10 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:22:10 +0000 Subject: HW: UPDATE on The One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK ( New Free tunes & more!! ) Message-ID: I have been having problems with the new audio files. Hopefully they are all there now.I unwittingly deleted a number of them, so I'll be replacing the version of Keith Colley's 'Bird Doggin' in a few days,as I'm currently working on the road. If you try to play the files and there are problems,please inform me, so I can make the appropriate corrections. Again the URL is: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Cheers! Mike >From: "Burro Mike" >To: >,,,,,,,,,, >Subject: HW: UPDATE on The One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK ( New Free tunes & >more!! ) >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:54:53 -0400 > >Greetings friends, >Having found this moment to write, I'd like to update you on The One Eyed >Bishops & SLOTERDIJK >The One Eyed Bishops: >The OEBs are currently booking concert & festival dates for their summer >2003 season. Our next appearance will be at Borders Books in Mays Landing >New Jersey, Friday, April 18th ( see http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com >under shows ). We'll be pulling out some different & new material, as well >as supporting our soon to be released new album entitled: The One Eyed >Bishops @ The School of Rock-n-Roll. >*As a taster for the new album, I have uploaded two cuts to our website. >The titles are: 'The Red Rooster' & 'Hymie The Winey' >Personnel for these tracks include the following: Mike Burro, Jay Adcock, >Phil Smith ( Headsmith), Keith Grant Evans ( The Downliners Sect) & Paul >'Prof' McDowell (The Famous Potatoes) >post production & engineering by Terry Clemson ( The Downliners Sect, Gene >Vincent, The TT's) >In addition, I continue to make current demo & live recordings available to >those who are interested and have just replaced and rearranged the song >list at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com >Included now are three new demos straight from the studio 2 u! I am happy >to offer a new original composition to The OEBs repertoire entitled, 'All I >want is You'. This version with an additional lead guitar was an >experiment. In actuality I prefer the instrumentation without the lead >work. >Also a variation of Carl Perkins' 'Boppin The Blues' >NEW SLOTERDIJK RECORDINGS & NEWS >SLOTERDIJK has contributed to the Hawkwind tribute cd being released by >Godreah Records UK. www.godreah.com Other artists include, Tim Blake ( >Hawkwind, Gong), Huw Lloyd Langton ( Hawkwind), Alan Davey ( Hawkwind, >Bedouin), Harvey Bainbridge ( Hawkwind, Intersteller Chaos), Spacehead & >more. This is sure to be an exceptional comp! >I have also uploaded a new version of an old tune ( much shorter too) for >all you SLOTERDIJK supporters. 'Integration 203' basically represents my >trying to figure out how to teach the instrument parts to other musicians. >It's rather rough, and not of any great significance, other than, that it >represents my interest in putting together a new lineup ( with Jay Adcock >remaining) and possibly doing a few very select live dates. Sloterdijk will >no longer employ drum machines for percussive programming. I will be >looking to add a live drummer, synth player, and bassist; as well as an >additional lead guitarist. It will be Jay Adcock's choice as to whether he >wants to remain on guitar & synth, or to take up the drumkit. >Recently it has come to my attention, that a lot more people are interested >in seeing SLOTERDIJK than I realistically imagined. Although I continue to >press ahead with The OEBs, it seems there is a genuine and sincere interest >in SLOTERDIJK. I'd like to thank those of you who have written or have >purchased various cds. Every cent goes directly back into the band(s) most >likely funding travel expenses somewhere down the line. Your continued >interest in Sloterdijk, is what keeps me interested in Sloterdijk >Enjoy the music! Cheers! Mike Burro _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Mar 21 14:57:09 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:57:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lemmy, movie star Message-ID: Looks like Lemmy's in another movie, 'Down And Out With The Dolls', about an all-female punk/indie/whatever band from Portland, OR. From the local (San Francisco) papers: "Mot?rhead's incomparable and incomprehensible Lemmy Kilmister provides Ozzy-like laughs in a small role." http://www.sfweekly.com/listings/film/210/index.html "The film also features some rock-star cameos, including Janis Tanaka of L7 and Mot?rhead's Lemmy Kilmister (as a sagelike character who dispenses advice from a closet)." http://www.sfbg.com/37/25/art_film_dolls.html He can also be seen in some of the print ads for the film. Feel free to post reviews if you've seen it ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Mar 21 18:00:27 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:00:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin & Harvey Bainbridge in London Message-ID: BEDOUIN will be playing a one off LONDON gig on **Saturday April 19th** Standard Music Venue Blackhorse Lane Walthamstow E17 LONDON (Opposite Blackhorse Road Tube Station on the Victoria Line) Support by Harvey Bainbridge plus Assassins of Silence Doors 8.00pm Tickets ?8.00 TEL: 020 8503 2523 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 22 08:26:18 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:26:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Wembley In-Reply-To: <20021021192023.59141.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Alan Linsley wrote: > >From your description I think this must have been You > Better Run, which is from the March Or Die album (the > one with Cat Scratch Fever, and I Ain't No Nice Guy > with Ozzy) > > --- Nick Medford wrote: > > Also a souped-up blues thing which I > > can't put a name too (wasn't 'Hoochie Coochie Man' > > was it?). Heh. If that's on _March or Die_ it's the first good thing I've heard about that album :-) I thought it was that thing which is billed as `Hoochie Coochie Man' on _Anthology_, I don't know if it's on any of the remaster albums or not. It doesn't sound any more like `Hoochie Coochie Man' to me than what we got at Wembley but I grant you that at Wembley I was listening for familiar words and there wasn't one I could pick out. That could have been the sound. Does anyone who was there know `You Better Run', and if so was that it? If so it pushes _March or Die_ up my priority list considerably... Yours, Jon n/p: v/a, _BOC-L Trade Tape 1999_ as compiled by Tim Fulcher, of all things... currently Download, `Flight of Luminous Insects'. So there. -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 22 09:11:26 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:11:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron Tree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Henderson Keith wrote: > SL responds... > > > Last thing I know of was Inner City Hawks gig with Judge Trev > > last spring. > > 2001 or 2002 do you mean? > > > > I have been 'out of touch' with the HW comings and goings > > > for the last few years. > > > What happened to Ron Tree ? > > Um, isn't there a band called "Bajina" or something that Ron's part of, or > perhaps 'fronts'? That's still an ongoing thing isn't it? Was/is Trev part > of that too? (seems like maybe that's right?) With who else? I suppose if > Trev's listening, then he could tell us what the deal is with Ron. Ron was > also a guest at some of the X-HW gigs I believe. And he was never really > fired from HW, so I suppose he just sort of drifted off on his own accord. Well, a while ago I received spam about *this*: So it seems that Inner City Hawks which appears to be Bajina as was (sorry change of name that, now it's much more clearly a second-hand band IMO), is still alive and functional, in some form, or at least, that was this year and it suggests they can be booked... Wonder what you'd get if you tried, I must admit. And Ron was at the Greasy Truckers Party show, though he turned up late, during the ICP set. So both sections of it are still sort of functioning, but as usual the real test will be whether anything new emerges from it or not. I suspect that no-one, not even Ron, knows what the real deal with him is, mind.... Yours, Jon ObLP: Curve - _Doppelganger_ (a friend has parked a load of vinyl with us till he gets a place with room for it, and I'm seeing what some of the names in it I know but have never heard actually sound like... ) -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 23 11:12:07 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:12:07 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Tim Hall wrote: > OK, so when do us Brits get to see The Brain Surgeons over on our side > of the Atlantic? It may be five months on but I'm still quite keen to know the answer to this question myself... At the moment, almost all the bands I'm fanatic about seeing live are playing within reach of me within the next few months, Hawkwind, BOC, Tony Hill, The University of Errors and Clutch, and Bedouin and Harvey Bainbridge too. It needs now The Heads, Orange Goblin, the Ozric Tentacles (whose Februrary London gig I had to miss dammit) and The Bevis Frond and I'm sorted for the year. Except that there was this whisper of a Brain Surgeons UK appearance... so I remain tantalised. Yours, Jon ObLP: Inner City Unit - _Punkadelic_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From admin at SHROPS.NET Sun Mar 23 13:36:01 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:36:01 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: Hi All Hawkind Fans Out there I am trying to find 3 Hawkwind CD's with absolutly no success: Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. Hawkwind: - The Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords Book/CD. ITALIAN PRESSING. Hawkwind: - The Remix Project. I would like any information where I might attempt to get these CD's, trade with me for them or buy them from anyone at a good price. Please email me at pete at os-net.co.uk All the best and thanks in advnace Peter J Williamson FRAS Budgie PR www.budgie.uk.com Peter J Williamson FRAS OS-NET Data Networks (UK) The Observatory Top Street Whittington Shropshire SY11 4DR United Kingdom TEL: 0870 9220168 Email: info at os-net.co.uk Web: http://www.os-net.co.uk WebHosting and Domains Nominet UK Tag Holder This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the intended recipient(s)") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by OS-NET ALL MESSAGES SCANNED WITH SOPHOS ANTI VIRUS From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 23 14:36:15 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:36:15 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. I believe Andy G at CD Services still this one... From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 23 15:38:29 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:38:29 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: According to his latest list, he does. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: CD's > Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. > > I believe Andy G at CD Services still this one... > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sun Mar 23 16:10:49 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:10:49 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: And, The online address that you might need is: http://www.psychedelic-music-cds.com/ Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: CD's > According to his latest list, he does. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: CD's > > > > Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. > > > > I believe Andy G at CD Services still this one... > > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 23 16:34:42 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:34:42 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 11:12 AM, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Tim Hall wrote: > >> OK, so when do us Brits get to see The Brain Surgeons over on our side >> of the Atlantic? > > It may be five months on but I'm still quite keen to know the > answer to this question myself... At the moment, almost all the bands > I'm > fanatic about seeing live are playing within reach of me within the > next > few months, Hawkwind, BOC, Tony Hill, The University of Errors and > Clutch, > and Bedouin and Harvey Bainbridge too. It needs now The Heads, Orange > Goblin, the Ozric Tentacles (whose Februrary London gig I had to miss > dammit) and The Bevis Frond and I'm sorted for the year. Except that > there > was this whisper of a Brain Surgeons UK appearance... so I remain > tantalised. Yours, We are actively working on finalizing shows in Newcastle, Birmingham and Liverpool around June 6-9. We're supposed to play a BOC convention. There are some details still to be worked out but as of today that's our plan. Oh yea, and we also have a date in Bordeaux on June 4th. Al From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 23 17:02:29 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:02:29 +0000 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD In-Reply-To: <200210301233.MAA04842@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M Holmes wrote: > Jobson, Eddie writes: > > > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have > > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise > > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl one. > > Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the > Codex: > > High Rise > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals > L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield > L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind > L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] > L 1 b Castle Masters Collection > L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > 2 PXR5 [LP only] > 2 Repeat Performance > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > 2 Tales From Atom Henge > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > 3 PXR5 [CD only] > 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line > 5 The Hawklords Live > > * 1a is a remix of 1 > * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour > * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > on the PXR5 CD. > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) > * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists This sparks a question which I've been meaning to ask for, ooh, even longer than this mail's been kicking about my INBOX. I have neither LP nor CD, but an official Virgin pressing cassette copy of _P.X.R.5_. Which version of `High Rise' have I got? I've heard both _Tales from Atomhenge_ and _Epoch Eclipse_ and I don't remember noticing ether of their `High Rise' versions as not being the one I own... So I have cloth ears. Can anyone else tell me which version of the album I need to look out for more urgently? Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _In Absentia_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 23 17:17:09 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:17:09 -0000 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD/tape Message-ID: At a guess the tape will most likely be the same as the vinyl album (and hence Tales from Atomhenge). But if you want to try the test yourself the best way is to set both the tape and the Epoch Eclipse CD track playing at the same time and switch between them to locate any differences. However I've got the PXR5 tape as well so I'll also have a listen when I get a chance. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M Holmes wrote: > > > Jobson, Eddie writes: > > > > > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have > > > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise > > > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl one. > > > > Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the > > Codex: > > > > High Rise > > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals > > L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield > > L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I > > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I > > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind > > L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] > > L 1 b Castle Masters Collection > > L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > > 2 PXR5 [LP only] > > 2 Repeat Performance > > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > > 2 Tales From Atom Henge > > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > > 3 PXR5 [CD only] > > 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line > > 5 The Hawklords Live > > > > * 1a is a remix of 1 > > * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour > > * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > > on the PXR5 CD. > > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a > > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) > > * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists > > This sparks a question which I've been meaning to ask for, ooh, > even longer than this mail's been kicking about my INBOX. > > I have neither LP nor CD, but an official Virgin pressing cassette > copy of _P.X.R.5_. Which version of `High Rise' have I got? I've heard > both _Tales from Atomhenge_ and _Epoch Eclipse_ and I don't remember > noticing ether of their `High Rise' versions as not being the one I > own... So I have cloth ears. Can anyone else tell me which version of the > album I need to look out for more urgently? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _In Absentia_ > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) > From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Mar 23 18:18:08 2003 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:18:08 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: Well I can't find it!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: CD's > And, > The online address that you might need is: > http://www.psychedelic-music-cds.com/ > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: CD's > > > > According to his latest list, he does. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Lee" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:36 PM > > Subject: Re: CD's > > > > > > > Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. > > > > > > I believe Andy G at CD Services still this one... > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003 From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 05:10:26 2003 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:10:26 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, BOC, UK appearances Message-ID: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM wrote: We are actively working on finalizing shows in Newcastle, Birmingham and Liverpool around June 6-9. We're supposed to play a BOC convention. There are some details still to be worked out but as of today that's our plan. Oh yea, and we also have a date in Bordeaux on June 4th. Al Hmm...a BOC convention in the middle of a BOC UK tour and the first UK visit by the Brain Surgeons - seems like an opportunity here!! Why not give us UK fans a treat - forget past differences & tour together (Brain / BOC) ?? !! Whilst I'm going through my wish list, can anyone send me (off-list!) next week's lottery numbers? ; >) Anyway hope you all enjoy the tours, and some of us can work out a way to be in 2 places at once! An Optimist (Martin) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 24 09:58:56 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:58:56 +0000 Subject: BOC: ericbloom.net is online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brian Halligan wrote: > It looks like they're still sorting out some bugs, at least as far as the > Mac I use at work goes (I viewed it with the latest versions of IE and > Netscape), but otherwise the site looks pretty cool. There's a nifty Flash > intro of Eric riding his Harley on an alien planet. > > Please no e-mail on how Flash intros are the antithesis of responsible Web > design. ;-) It's a SHORT Flash intro that you can easily skip. Works all right under w3m too :-) > http://www.ericbloom.net Difficult to get a full impression without signing up, but it seems like an awful lot of money to join Erc's fanclub. He's basically got the idea that he can charge for putting what he puts in AOL folders and such like here a day or two early, is a nasty way to look at it. But hey, he's on-line and in touch and this I applaud. Just there's an awful lot of hardsell and little enough to see on the outside... Yours, Jon ObCD: Roky Erickson and the Explosives - _Casting the Runes_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 24 10:01:11 2003 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:01:11 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: <42860222-5D77-11D7-9D7C-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Albert Bouchard wrote: > We are actively working on finalizing shows in Newcastle, Birmingham > and Liverpool around June 6-9. We're supposed to play a BOC convention. > There are some details still to be worked out but as of today that's > our plan. Hurray! (Um, that'#s a little unspecific, I know) I guess we (that is, Jon and I) will see you in Birmingham, then. I'd like to see all three, obviously, but that would be more difficult. -- Kirsten Procter ghoti From cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET Mon Mar 24 14:05:03 2003 From: cosmicdolphin at FIREFLYUK.NET (cosmicdolphin) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:05:03 -0600 Subject: New Tim Blake CD Message-ID: For those people that missed it, Tim Blake has a new CD out, called: 'Caldea Music II' Check Tims website for more info http://moonweed.free.fr/solo_albums.html Rich W From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 24 15:26:20 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:26:20 +0000 Subject: HW: The Business Trip Album In-Reply-To: <20021107214926.12686.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Robert Damian wrote: > Hey does anyone out there know how Dave Brock set up > things to trigger certain sounds while playing guitar > on the Business Trip CD? I find it so interesting that > this was pulled off with just three people. Thank you > to anyone for help. This was still kicking about my INBOX because I didn't remember anyone answering it. Went to the archives and found that Captain Bl at ck had in fact explained that Dave's guitar had a MIDI controller in it back then and gave you the details... But no-one seems to have mentioned the fact that Richard Chadwick was also controlling the sequencer lines from the drum-kit at that point (or very soon after). Have a look at this interview from the 1995 US tour (conducted by current or erstwhile list-members Chris Bruce, Scott Heller & Carl Anderson) if you're interested: The key bit goes like this: " CB- Now that you are using triggers (devices that allow one person to trigger synthesizer sequences to match a beat or tempo) how has your set changed and your actual drum kit, since say 91', the last time I saw you? RC- I'm not using any electronic drums at all anymore. CB- Are you still following Dave's sequencer, say dave is running a certain speed, do you have a mid-line going between you to? RC- I trigger it. CB- Oh... you trigger it! RC- Just press go and we start... CB- And they follow your tempo from there. RC- I would really like to get back to a stage where we can jam, instead of using triggers. CB- Instead of being locked in. " Plenty of other interesting stuff in there for a historian of the band and their plans too. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Mar 24 15:59:57 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:59:57 -0500 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' is on Channel 4 tonight, which reminds me to ask - does anyone have a decent copy - tape or CD of the Dave Brock readings from the book on the Mark Radcliffe radio show from a few years back - my poor quality tape has just about given up, and I missed some of the readings which MR added a few weeks after the first set - they're very amusing if you haven't heard them! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Mar 24 15:23:47 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:23:47 +0000 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: Hi ya, I'm recording this from digital tv source, and compressing it and putting it on DVD+R in a way that should play on any dvd player (except things like sony playstations). If any should want a copy all I need is a blank media.... of the dvd+ kind. The result should be better than recording to VHS.... Usually it is.... I say should play on any dvd player cause I've no way to test this.... I'm fairly certain it will tho. And if non UK people want a copy please tell me you tv standard (if not pal uk or ntsc usa please say resolution and frame rate if possible) Chris m.j.crook at talk21.com wrote: > > 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' is on Channel 4 tonight, which reminds me to ask - > does anyone have a decent copy - tape or CD of the Dave Brock readings from the book on the Mark Radcliffe radio show from a few years back - my poor quality tape has just about given up, and I missed some of the readings which MR added a few weeks after the first set - they're very amusing if you haven't heard them! > > Mick > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 24 17:21:36 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:21:36 -0500 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing In-Reply-To: <3E7F6953.247A60C@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:23:47PM +0000, Chris Gibbs wrote: => I'm recording this from digital tv source, and compressing it and => putting it on DVD+R in a way that should play on any dvd player (except => things like sony playstations). => => If any should want a copy all I need is a blank media.... of the dvd+ => kind. => => The result should be better than recording to VHS.... Usually it => is.... => I say should play on any dvd player cause I've no way to test this.... => I'm fairly certain it will tho. => => And if non UK people want a copy please tell me you tv standard (if not => pal uk or ntsc usa please say resolution and frame rate if possible) Am I reading you correctly? Are you offering to record the movie _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ from a Channel 4 TV broadcast and make copies for people? If so, isn't it more conventional for people simply to buy or rent the movie?? (It has been available on DVD---at least in the USA---since 1998.) If they do, not only will they not get any adverts/TV cuts, but they'll also benefit from the following (according to amazon.com for the Criterion Collection version): DVD Features: * New digital transfer supervised by the director and new Dolby sound mixes * Three commentary tracks: director Terry Gilliam; stars Johnny Depp and Benicio Del Toro and producer Laila Nabulsi; and author Hunter S. Thompson * Deleted scenes, with commentary by Terry Gilliam * Collection of storyboards and production designs * Collection of original artwork by famed illustrator Ralph Steadman * Fear and Loathing on the Road to Hollywood: A BBC feature documentary with Hunter S. Thompson and Ralph Steadman * Hunter Goes to Hollywood, a short documentary video by Wayne Ewing * A look at the controversy over the screenwriting credit * A selection of Hunter S. Thompson's correspondence read on-camera by Johnny Depp * Rare material on Oscar Zeta Acosta, the attorney on whom the character Dr. Gonzo is based * Excerpt from the 1996 audio CD * Trailer and stills galleries * A booklet featuring an essay by J. Hoberman and two pieces by Hunter S. Thompson * Widescreen anamorphic format * Number of discs: 2 I suspect the Channel 4 broadcast (and your home-made version) will lack some or all of the above. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Of course the *people* don't want war. [...] But, after all, it is the *leaders* of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. [...] Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way in any country." --- Hermann Goering during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 17:28:49 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:28:49 -0000 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: Fear and loathing aint availiable in the UK on DVD, never has been even though you can get it on video. Does anyone know why this is? I had to buy it on amazon.com and get it sent over, the only problem is that it is region 1. colm ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: HW Fear and Loathing On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:23:47PM +0000, Chris Gibbs wrote: => I'm recording this from digital tv source, and compressing it and => putting it on DVD+R in a way that should play on any dvd player (except => things like sony playstations). => => If any should want a copy all I need is a blank media.... of the dvd+ => kind. => => The result should be better than recording to VHS.... Usually it => is.... => I say should play on any dvd player cause I've no way to test this.... => I'm fairly certain it will tho. => => And if non UK people want a copy please tell me you tv standard (if not => pal uk or ntsc usa please say resolution and frame rate if possible) Am I reading you correctly? Are you offering to record the movie _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ from a Channel 4 TV broadcast and make copies for people? If so, isn't it more conventional for people simply to buy or rent the movie?? (It has been available on DVD---at least in the USA---since 1998.) If they do, not only will they not get any adverts/TV cuts, but they'll also benefit from the following (according to amazon.com for the Criterion Collection version): DVD Features: * New digital transfer supervised by the director and new Dolby sound mixes * Three commentary tracks: director Terry Gilliam; stars Johnny Depp and Benicio Del Toro and producer Laila Nabulsi; and author Hunter S. Thompson * Deleted scenes, with commentary by Terry Gilliam * Collection of storyboards and production designs * Collection of original artwork by famed illustrator Ralph Steadman * Fear and Loathing on the Road to Hollywood: A BBC feature documentary with Hunter S. Thompson and Ralph Steadman * Hunter Goes to Hollywood, a short documentary video by Wayne Ewing * A look at the controversy over the screenwriting credit * A selection of Hunter S. Thompson's correspondence read on-camera by Johnny Depp * Rare material on Oscar Zeta Acosta, the attorney on whom the character Dr. Gonzo is based * Excerpt from the 1996 audio CD * Trailer and stills galleries * A booklet featuring an essay by J. Hoberman and two pieces by Hunter S. Thompson * Widescreen anamorphic format * Number of discs: 2 I suspect the Channel 4 broadcast (and your home-made version) will lack some or all of the above. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Of course the *people* don't want war. [...] But, after all, it is the *leaders* of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. [...] Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way in any country." --- Hermann Goering during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Mar 25 10:22:06 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:22:06 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: new news is ...news. Message-ID: break out yer sun block and water wingz! http://www.cellsum.com/news.htm From micci at SCI.FI Tue Mar 25 03:49:10 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:49:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Vote for the best Prog/Space Rock band Message-ID: Hi! HW is now 2. !! Vote before it?s too late! http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 25 05:43:52 2003 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:43:52 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: <42860222-5D77-11D7-9D7C-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Albert Bouchard wrote: > We are actively working on finalizing shows in Newcastle, Birmingham > and Liverpool around June 6-9. I realise that this is not really a consideration, but having the Brainsurgeons play Birmingham on the 8th of June would be *really* annoying, given that BOC are playing Wolverhampton on the 8th - it means that choices are going to have to be made by people who would otherwise see both, and I'm sure that will lead to you guys losing out :( -- Kirsten Procter Ghoti From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Mar 25 08:05:36 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:05:36 +0000 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: Hi ya, Yes you understand me correctly. I frame edit tv broadcast to remove adverts and stuff. Sometimes I'll even remove voice over, though in this case its only at the end in the credits and I havn't. I know this is available on dvd but only in USA and I think its region 1 encoded so even if someone in uk can handle ntsc they might not manage the encoding (although on linux this is not a problem) If you want perfect copy buy it. I know us running time differs from uk vhs running time, I have no idea what the differences are or what version was aired. and the aired version probably had other cuts? If you want something better than you can record to vhs and want dvd I'm here. I think thats fair, its just the same as recording to vhs for someone - only much better quality. Chris Paul Mather wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:23:47PM +0000, Chris Gibbs wrote: > > => I'm recording this from digital tv source, and compressing it and > => putting it on DVD+R in a way that should play on any dvd player (except > => things like sony playstations). > => > => If any should want a copy all I need is a blank media.... of the dvd+ > => kind. > => > => The result should be better than recording to VHS.... Usually it > => is.... > => I say should play on any dvd player cause I've no way to test this.... > => I'm fairly certain it will tho. > => > => And if non UK people want a copy please tell me you tv standard (if not > => pal uk or ntsc usa please say resolution and frame rate if possible) > > Am I reading you correctly? Are you offering to record the movie > _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ from a Channel 4 TV broadcast and > make copies for people? If so, isn't it more conventional for people > simply to buy or rent the movie?? (It has been available on DVD---at > least in the USA---since 1998.) > > If they do, not only will they not get any adverts/TV cuts, but > they'll also benefit from the following (according to amazon.com for > the Criterion Collection version): > > DVD Features: > > * New digital transfer supervised by the director and new Dolby sound mixes > * Three commentary tracks: director Terry Gilliam; stars Johnny Depp and Benicio Del Toro and producer Laila Nabulsi; and author Hunter S. Thompson > * Deleted scenes, with commentary by Terry Gilliam > * Collection of storyboards and production designs > * Collection of original artwork by famed illustrator Ralph Steadman > * Fear and Loathing on the Road to Hollywood: A BBC feature documentary with Hunter S. Thompson and Ralph Steadman > * Hunter Goes to Hollywood, a short documentary video by Wayne Ewing > * A look at the controversy over the screenwriting credit > * A selection of Hunter S. Thompson's correspondence read on-camera by Johnny Depp > * Rare material on Oscar Zeta Acosta, the attorney on whom the character Dr. Gonzo is based > * Excerpt from the 1996 audio CD > * Trailer and stills galleries > * A booklet featuring an essay by J. Hoberman and two pieces by Hunter S. Thompson > * Widescreen anamorphic format > * Number of discs: 2 > > I suspect the Channel 4 broadcast (and your home-made version) will > lack some or all of the above. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Of course the *people* don't want war. [...] But, after all, it is the > *leaders* of the country who determine the policy and it is always a > simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy, a > fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. [...] > Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of > the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are > being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and > exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way in any > country." > > --- Hermann Goering during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Mar 25 08:10:51 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:10:51 +0000 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: Hi ya, If you want, I can transcode it so you have an unencoded reigon free version, will need blank dvd+ and original The region free version will be identical in every other way to original, unless it don't fit on one dvd+, in which case its tricky... I'll need two blanks and youll probably loose menus but not content. Chris colm mcwilliams wrote: > > Fear and loathing aint availiable in the UK on DVD, never has been even though you can get it on video. Does anyone know why this is? > > I had to buy it on amazon.com and get it sent over, the only problem is that it is region 1. > > colm From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 25 12:36:07 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:36:07 -0500 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing In-Reply-To: <3E805420.8DF6240F@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:05:36PM +0000, Chris Gibbs wrote: => If you want perfect copy buy it. I know us running time differs from => uk vhs running time, I have no idea what the differences are or what => version was aired. and the aired version probably had other cuts? If they butcher films the same way broadcast TV in the US does, then the result will not be worth having, IMHO. Some hatchet jobs are so bad, it's not really defensible to broadcast them afterwards. :-( => If you want something better than you can record to vhs and want dvd I'm => here. I think thats fair, its just the same as recording to vhs for => someone - only much better quality. Okay, I see. It's a moot point for me as far as I'm concerned, as I don't have a DVD player. It just struck me as a bit odd to see someone openly offering a piracy service on a list that has had a lot of flak over that in recent times. Out of interest, does your offer stand for Hawkwind videos, and the HLL DVD that is PAL-only? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Of course the *people* don't want war. [...] But, after all, it is the *leaders* of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. [...] Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way in any country." --- Hermann Goering during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 25 14:54:27 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:54:27 -0400 Subject: The One Eyed Bishops - index page - Free MP3 download: Smokestack Lightning Message-ID: Smokestack Lightning now online!!! recorded January 13th & 14th 2003 @ 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', Redhill, South London (http://www.tts.ttfans.com ) http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/The_One_Eyed_Bishops/ personnel: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar & vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Phil Smith: electric lead guitar Keith Grant Evans: Bass post production & engineering: Terry Clemson From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Mar 25 16:28:26 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:28:26 -0500 Subject: HW Fear and Loathing Message-ID: http://www.relix.com/vegas/ -----Original Message----- From: colm mcwilliams [mailto:mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: HW Fear and Loathing Fear and loathing aint availiable in the UK on DVD, never has been even though you can get it on video. Does anyone know why this is? I had to buy it on amazon.com and get it sent over, the only problem is that it is region 1. colm From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 25 18:34:53 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:34:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 05:43 AM, Kirsten Procter wrote: > I realise that this is not really a consideration, but having the > Brainsurgeons play Birmingham on the 8th of June would be *really* > annoying, given that BOC are playing Wolverhampton on the 8th - it > means that choices are going to have to be made by people who would > otherwise see both, and I'm sure that will lead to you guys losing out > :( I've contacted the promoter with your concerns. I'm sure they're figuring that people will want to come to both shows. I'm told that the shows are only 2 miles apart. Al From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 25 18:36:18 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:36:18 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <200211110904.EAA15261@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical wrote: > Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all > the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > year after it was released. > > I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD without > having to transfer them myself! $ w3m http://www.cow.co.uk A search on Robert Calvert produces, among mismatches: ROBERT CALVERT - CAPTAIN LOCKHEED & THE STARFIG UNI-BGOCD5 CD / 12.22 - FREQ REVISITED PIN-CDMGRAM55 CD 03/01 9.39 - FREQ REVISITED PHD-CDMGRAM055 CD / 13.25 - HYPE GLD-VP261CD CD 03/03 13.10 - LUCKY LIEF UNI-BGOCD2 CD / 12.22 - REVENGE PIN-BP320CD CD 06/00 5.85 CALVERT ROBERT - LIVE AT THE QUEEN ELIZABETH USA-VGO187 CD 04/02 18.26 - TEST TUBE CONCEIVED PHD-CDTB113 CD / 14.10 Which ones couldn't you find? I grant you a non-import version of QEH would be nice and _Hype_ wasn't out when you pasted, but still. Yours, Jon ObCD: Alan Davey - _Bedouin_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Mar 26 11:58:06 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: SLOTERDIJK News: mp3 file 'Uranium Zone' now online Message-ID: Hello friends, I have temporarily uploaded 'Uranium Zone' to The OEBs site as there is someone who wanted to hear it and that's how I made it available for them. I'm not going to leave it there for long, as it's really not OEB related. Mp3.com has increasingly become less and less effective of a way for Sloterdijk to keep the site changing. They now only offer three Free cuts for 'non subscription based artists'. In addition, it can take months to have a file approved by their staff, before it actually appears on the site. They go in pecking order from those who pay for the most perks. In the coming months, I hope to offer an alternative website for Sloterdijk. This is why you are seeing Sloterdijk tunes popping up on The OEBs site, because in my view iuma is a much better service to artists. Cheers! Mike Burro To hear Uranium Zone click: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com and then scroll down to the end of the songlist From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Mar 26 13:03:41 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:03:41 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: <6162FEFC-5F1A-11D7-9A98-000A2794A214@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Ummmm Why don't you play togther? Or is that not possible.... mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Albert Bouchard Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BRAIN: UK appearances? On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 05:43 AM, Kirsten Procter wrote: > I realise that this is not really a consideration, but having the > Brainsurgeons play Birmingham on the 8th of June would be *really* > annoying, given that BOC are playing Wolverhampton on the 8th - it > means that choices are going to have to be made by people who would > otherwise see both, and I'm sure that will lead to you guys losing out > :( I've contacted the promoter with your concerns. I'm sure they're figuring that people will want to come to both shows. I'm told that the shows are only 2 miles apart. Al From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 26 13:16:31 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:16:31 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 01:03:41PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: => Ummmm => => Why don't you play togther? Or is that not possible.... I presume that unless they "co-headline," playing together would cheat one of the fan bases out of a full set from their preferred band. (That is, if by "play together" you mean both bands play the same venue on the same night.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 26 13:38:44 2003 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:38:44 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 05:43 AM, Kirsten Procter wrote: > > > I realise that this is not really a consideration, but having the > > Brainsurgeons play Birmingham on the 8th of June would be *really* > > annoying, given that BOC are playing Wolverhampton on the 8th - it > > means that choices are going to have to be made by people who would > > otherwise see both, and I'm sure that will lead to you guys losing out > > :( > > I've contacted the promoter with your concerns. I'm sure they're > figuring that people will want to come to both shows. I'm told that the > shows are only 2 miles apart. Thankyou! It seems slightly petty, I know, but it seems to me that maxmising attendance would be, um, good. I want you guys to come back :) -- Kirsten Procter Ghoti From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 26 12:50:30 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:50:30 EDT Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: <20030326181631.GB13375@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 26 Mar 2003 at 13:16, Paul Mather wrote: > I presume that unless they "co-headline," playing together would cheat > one of the fan bases out of a full set from their preferred band. > (That is, if by "play together" you mean both bands play the same > venue on the same night.) > There's also the issue of material overlap. tBS do a few B?C tunes. I wonder if the punters would want to hear 2 versions of CoF or Godzilla? Not sure I'd want to hear ONE version of Godzilla, by either band! theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 26 17:34:13 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:34:13 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <200211111445.OAA13361@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, M Holmes wrote: > Michael Blackman writes: > > > True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on the edge of > > time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly wouldn't get any > > royalties from ebay sales. > > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear > that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the > resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a > healthy secondhand market does add to their income. Basic piracy > obviously doesn't unless it serves to bring new buyers into the process. Mike, is this actually true at all? It seems to me that if it were to be then someone would have to be surveying all second-hand outlets to have an idea of which artists were selling and which weren't, and I find it very unlikely that sort of information's available to high-street retailers, or even that they'd let it affect their prices if it were. Surely high-street prices are effectively set by the distributors plus management policy. For example, the HMV in Cambridge recently seems to have found itself hurt by the fact that a FOPP has opened up three doors down from the central supermarket. They're doing all right, have driven one of the two actually-independent record shops in the town out of business (and, for what it's worth their pricing policy is sufficiently structured that I doubt this kind of subtlety could be contained in it), and HMV appears to be suffering. The symptom of this is that they've put *everything* in the store up to about ?15.99, give or take a quid, except stuff in their now-permanent sale. Now surely what goes into the sale is going to be based on their supply and what *they* find to be shifting, not what someone else does. I mean, I'd love to think that by picking up stuff second-hand I was still doing the band some good, but I can't believe the case you make here. Do set me right if I'm missing something obvious. Yours, Jon ObLP: Golden Earring - _Moontan_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 26 18:36:41 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:36:41 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Summer ahead of schedule In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030325102206.006944f0@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 10:22 AM, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > break out yer sun block and water wingz! > Well I guess! After a long cold snowy Winter we're going to skip Spring this year. The new fun fun fun Brain Surgeons album, Beach Party arrived ahead of schedule (thanks to former BOC road manager Paul Mozian and Mozian.com) and is available right now. Order online at http://cellsum.com/Merch.htm From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 26 18:17:04 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:17:04 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: UK appearances? In-Reply-To: <3E81B024.17690.1711D37@localhost> Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 01:50 PM, Ted Jackson wrote: > There's also the issue of material overlap. tBS do a few B?C tunes. > I wonder if the > punters would want to hear 2 versions of CoF or Godzilla? Not sure > I'd want to hear > ONE version of Godzilla, by either band! That really wouldn't be a problem because tBS has lots of great old songs (Vera Gemini, Baby Ice Dog, Sinful Love etc.) that BOC doesn't play usually. But although that is a logical idea it isn't being talked about buy the promoters (I don't think). I'm not into making any of my old friends uncomfortable either. ;-) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 26 18:12:27 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:12:27 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <006301c289dd$e51520a0$c5b13bcb@xl5> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, William Duffy wrote: > Todd Rundgren has a site set up where (for a small yearly fee) you can > download various audio & video material. Why don't the band not set up > something similar? They could put all the material on there that gets > constantly re-released, such as Text of Festival. They couldn't, though, because they don't *own* that stuff, Dave Anderson does, and he could have it legally taken down. Marvellous, innit? Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 26 19:01:40 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:01:40 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <20021112220035.36528.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > a little Hawkwind poll: > > *Hawkwind fan: massive, obsessed since 1988 Previously massive, now rather disenchanted. > *how many CD's: about 120 32 CDs, 3 LPs, 5 cassette albums, 3 CDEPs and 1 12" EP. Not counting the Friends and Relations stuff which probably doubles that (or more, depending on how many links you allow :-> ) > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes No. Don't turn it down if it comes my way, but don't need it. > *why a Hawkwind fan: their longevity, punk, > psychedelia and heavy metal fused into spacerock Because of the places you can go on _Space Ritual_ and the effect their output has on my head. When it's good... > *First album you picked up: Chronicle of The Black > Sword, 1988 _Spirit of the Age_ comp on Elite in 1995; then some person on this list gave me a copy of _Live Chronicles_ they didn't want. They didn't quite say, "First one's always free kid!" but they might as well've. Thankyou that person :-) > *Seen live how many times: twice, in 1991 and 1995 Um, 1996 at Brixton, Blackheath and Shepherd's Bush in 1997, Fairfield Halls in 1998 if that's when it was, Hawkestra and again at Croydon and then at the Astoria 2000, Canterbury, Walthamstow and the Forum 2001 and Walthamstow again 2002, which is 11. > *Nik or Dave: Dave Both or neither is right, but Dave's slightly more likely to produce music. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 26 19:02:07 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:02:07 -0000 Subject: CD's Message-ID: It's out of print right now and not reissued until June. We actually had it in stock,sold out then found out that this was the case. For anyone that wants it, the Farflung "Belief Module" CD has just turned up but that's not going to last long as I think we have the final copies around. Finally, if you want to get our very soon-to-be-regular stock/rarity/offers e-mail-outs, then all you have to do is e mail me at agcdser at aol.com with "Hawk" in the subject box. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: CD's > According to his latest list, he does. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: CD's > > > > Hawkwind: - Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Tribute. > > > > I believe Andy G at CD Services still this one... > > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Mar 26 20:33:33 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:33:33 -0500 Subject: Adrian Shaw Interview Message-ID: Hope it is okay to post this here. This comes from another list I am on... >From Santtu, the bass player of the great Finnish space rock band Dark Sun, a great Adrian Shaw interview if anyone is interested. Chris ----------- Adrian Shaw interview is now on-line at: http://www.unimeri.com/PsychotropicZone/interview_005.html if anyone's interested... Santtu alias DJ Astro darksanttu at hotmail.com http://hop.to/darksun http://www.unimeri.com/PsychotropicZone From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Mar 26 22:54:05 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:54:05 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Hi ya, I have my own idea as to what to do with Text and Yuri. On the grounds Hawkwind don't own this stuff my guess is they (at least) won't give a 'shit' if it gets bootlegged (not piracy just a form of bootlegging that don't seem to have been triied yet). At some distant time I might even make idea reality and tell ya. Chris Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, William Duffy wrote: > > > Todd Rundgren has a site set up where (for a small yearly fee) you can > > download various audio & video material. Why don't the band not set up > > something similar? They could put all the material on there that gets > > constantly re-released, such as Text of Festival. > > They couldn't, though, because they don't *own* that stuff, Dave > Anderson does, and he could have it legally taken down. Marvellous, > innit? Yours, > Jon > > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Mar 27 05:43:23 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:23 -0000 Subject: Off Hawkwind Ringtones Message-ID: Hi, Somebody sent me a ringtone of Hassan I Sabha (which is nice & has been used for the last few months , but is starting to grate a little & in the light of the current war somewhat innapropriate...) - was wondering if anyone out there had made/attained any other HW ringtones for a mobile phone? Cheers Maxine From micci at SCI.FI Thu Mar 27 07:05:25 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:05:25 +0200 Subject: HW: two head hawk Message-ID: Hi! I need that HW logo, where is two headed hawk, but I need it big, I mean BIG! I mean a4 size or something like. If someone can scan it, please contact me privately. Thanks. Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Mar 27 06:13:38 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:13:38 -0000 Subject: HW: New album Message-ID: For those who may not yet have seen this posted on Mission Control: "The new studio album is about finished now, and Arthur Brown has contributed guest vocals on some tracks, with Lene Lovich also appearing as an android !! A few downloadable clips will appear here in a few days." This I am looking forward to! Dave From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Mar 26 21:00:47 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:00:47 EST Subject: Adrian Shaw Interview Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:34:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes: << http://www.unimeri.com/PsychotropicZone/interview_005.html >> Thanxs Chris that was great! Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Mar 27 13:09:48 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:48 -0500 Subject: Off Hawkwind Ringtones In-Reply-To: <3E82D798.16389.7E840E@localhost>; from maxine.wesley@PORT.AC.UK on Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:43:23AM -0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:43:23AM -0000, Maxine Wesley wrote: > [Hassan ringtone] in > the light of the current war somewhat innapropriate...) I suppose that depends on whether the people who overhear your phone ringing know the lyrics; if they don't, it'd just sound to them like Arab-influenced whatever. Good way to flush out the closet racists in the crowd :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 27 12:01:26 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Rave pictures, free party news and drugs information] How SLOTERDIJK came to be Message-ID: Hey all, I was perusing the internet when I cam across this site with reviews and experiences pertaining to psychedelic events. I was blown away when I found a review from 1996, which described the 'festival', that altered me enough to consider SLOTERDIJK ( the band) to have been 'born' there. For those of you with any interest, the story appears at the link below. Cheers! Mikehttp://www.partyvibe.com/articles/alien_eclipse.htm From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Mar 27 13:46:13 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:46:13 -0000 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD Message-ID: I have a copy here of PXR5 on reel-to-reel tape from February 1978, labelled Office Copy. The version of High Rise is not the one on the vinyl at least. Curiously the running order is also different, with PXR5 being the opening track with an extended intro and outro, followed by Robot then High Rise. The remainding tracks are the same as side 1 of the LP. One wonders if High Rise was reworked/remixed at the last minute for the vinyl, and the original version has been used on the CD release? Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M Holmes wrote: > > > Jobson, Eddie writes: > > > > > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have > > > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise > > > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl one. > > > > Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the > > Codex: > > > > High Rise > > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals > > L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield > > L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I > > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I > > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind > > L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] > > L 1 b Castle Masters Collection > > L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > > 2 PXR5 [LP only] > > 2 Repeat Performance > > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > > 2 Tales From Atom Henge > > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > > 3 PXR5 [CD only] > > 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line > > 5 The Hawklords Live > > > > * 1a is a remix of 1 > > * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour > > * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > > on the PXR5 CD. > > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a > > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) > > * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists > > This sparks a question which I've been meaning to ask for, ooh, > even longer than this mail's been kicking about my INBOX. > > I have neither LP nor CD, but an official Virgin pressing cassette > copy of _P.X.R.5_. Which version of `High Rise' have I got? I've heard > both _Tales from Atomhenge_ and _Epoch Eclipse_ and I don't remember > noticing ether of their `High Rise' versions as not being the one I > own... So I have cloth ears. Can anyone else tell me which version of the > album I need to look out for more urgently? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _In Absentia_ > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 27 16:02:18 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:02:18 +0100 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD In-Reply-To: <001301c2f491$2703f040$5cac6fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: Hi Keith Do you think that either the CD or the LP version is a live one ?? cheers Bernhard At 18:46 27.03.2003 +0000, you wrote: >I have a copy here of PXR5 on reel-to-reel tape from February 1978, labelled >Office Copy. The version of High Rise is not the one on the vinyl at least. >Curiously the running order is also different, with PXR5 being the opening >track with an extended intro and outro, followed by Robot then High Rise. >The remainding tracks are the same as side 1 of the LP. > >One wonders if High Rise was reworked/remixed at the last minute for the >vinyl, and the original version has been used on the CD release? > >Captain Bl at ck. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Jarrett" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD > > >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M Holmes wrote: >> >> > Jobson, Eddie writes: >> > >> > > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have >> > > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise >> > > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl >one. >> > >> > Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the >> > Codex: >> > >> > High Rise >> > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals >> > L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield >> > L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind >> > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I >> > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] >> > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I >> > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind >> > L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) >> > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] >> > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] >> > L 1 b Castle Masters Collection >> > L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] >> > 2 PXR5 [LP only] >> > 2 Repeat Performance >> > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] >> > 2 Tales From Atom Henge >> > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] >> > 3 PXR5 [CD only] >> > 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology >> > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line >> > 5 The Hawklords Live >> > >> > * 1a is a remix of 1 >> > * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour >> > * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared >> > on the PXR5 CD. >> > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a >> > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) >> > * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists >> >> This sparks a question which I've been meaning to ask for, ooh, >> even longer than this mail's been kicking about my INBOX. >> >> I have neither LP nor CD, but an official Virgin pressing cassette >> copy of _P.X.R.5_. Which version of `High Rise' have I got? I've heard >> both _Tales from Atomhenge_ and _Epoch Eclipse_ and I don't remember >> noticing ether of their `High Rise' versions as not being the one I >> own... So I have cloth ears. Can anyone else tell me which version of the >> album I need to look out for more urgently? Yours, >> Jon >> >> ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _In Absentia_ >> -- >> "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine >> law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient >> to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the >> delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. >> >> (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 27 17:27:30 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Not Ron Tree) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:27:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Ron Tree Message-ID: >>>> What happened to Ron Tree ? >> Um, isn't there a band called "Bajina" or something that Ron's part >> of, or perhaps 'fronts'? That's still an ongoing thing isn't it? >> Was/is Trev part of that too? (seems like maybe that's right?) >> With who else? I suppose if Trev's listening, then he could tell >> us what the deal is with Ron. Ron was also a guest at some of the >> X-HW gigs I believe. And he was never really fired from HW, so I >> suppose he just sort of drifted off on his own accord. > > Well, a while ago I received spam about *this*: > > > > So it seems that Inner City Hawks which appears to be Bajina > as was (sorry change of name that, now it's much more clearly a > second-hand band IMO), is still alive and functional, in some form, > or at least, that was this year and it suggests they can be booked... > Wonder what you'd get if you tried, I must admit. The Inner City Hawks and Fee Mercury Moon have made available free audio and PC video CDs of the Frome February 15 2003 gig. You can see excerpts from the video at the URL quoted above. The name ICH actually seems more appropriate since much of the set is Hawkwind covers - though there are also some very nice space jams and a coupla new Ron Tree-ish style songs, plus a song from the recent Trev solo CD God and Man. Overall the sound is much more space-rock and much less punk than you might expect. According to the ICH list the lineup is said to be fairly stable and includes Ron, Judge Trev, and Commander Jim Hawkman (who previously played with Nik and Co.) doing some good spacy synth stuff. The audio/video discs were recently treed on Neo-Quark - if there is anyone here who wants a copy you can contact me off-list with your mailing address. Can't guarantee rapid response tho, coz I'm swamped at the moment. Stephan From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 27 16:14:14 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:14:14 -0400 Subject: Gig announcement: The One Eyed Bishops; special Beltane set; May 1, FREE Show Message-ID: Thursday, May 1, 2003: The One Eyed Bishops will perform their annual 'Beltane Celebration' set on the main campus of Burlington County College, Pemberton, New Jersey The event is Free and begins in The Campus Cafe ( Parker Center) at 7:00PM EST For directions to the college click to: http://www.bcc.edu also you can telephone (609) 894-9311 Beltane is one of our most long awaited appearances, this being the fourth annual!!! We will perform festy music for your listening pleasure!!! This and all our other dates are listed on our website at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 27 22:58:59 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:58:59 EST Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: I have been a member of the Todd site for 3 years...I agree. This would be a great idea. From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 28 11:33:27 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:33:27 -0500 Subject: [Rave pictures, free party news and drugs information] How SLOTERDIJK came to be Message-ID: I always wondered why an American band was named after a district of Amsterdam. I didn't go to the Alien Eclipse, some of my friends did, but I used to go to loads of secret location parties in Amsterdam, the Beat Club and Hellraiser etc. in 1991-1992 and later in the summers of 1996-1997. You had to go behind Central Station on a Saturday night, look at the flyers, pick a party and off you went on a little bus waiting there for you. Best parties I have ever been to by far. It was easy to see why people got swallowed up in Amsterdam. Alastair. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:01:26 -0400, Burro Mike wrote: >Hey all, >I was perusing the internet when I cam across this site with reviews and experiences pertaining to psychedelic events. I was blown away when I found a review from 1996, which described the 'festival', that altered me enough to consider SLOTERDIJK ( the band) to have been 'born' there. For those of you with any interest, the story appears at the link below. Cheers! Mikehttp://www.partyvibe.com/articles/alien_eclipse.htm From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Mar 28 09:32:40 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:32:40 -0000 Subject: Off: Ringtones Message-ID: No joy with existing ringtones so I've downloaded the ringtone composer. (Piano keyboard you enter notes via then send the ringtone to the phone). What i need now is some sheet music!!! Since Hawkwind (IMO) are the kings of the riff I was wandering who can think of a tune with the catchiest one..... or if anyone has the notes for some of the following: Magnu Intro to Master of the Universe or can think of a really good HW tune that would work well as a ringtone (want something cheerful....) Following my declaration that I was actually in possession of Hassan I Sabha I was asked to send it to a couple of people - unfortunately I have exhausted the options on my phone & can't figure out how to extract the tune from my tone settings & send it (I assume as a amessage) Anyone know how you do that (can email me off list so folks don't get pissed..) best regards again M at xine From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Mar 29 06:20:31 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:20:31 -0500 Subject: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works Message-ID: I received the following email from a gentleman names Steve Rowlstone who recently contacted me regarding a film project he is working on and asked me to spread the word. I've included Steve's email at the end in case you care to contact him. Here it is: What we are doing is hoping to produce a documentary and a tribute to Robert Calvert. We are interviewing as many people as we can who worked with Robert i.e. Nik Turner, Adrian Shaw, Steve Pond, Simon House and others, as well as Brian Tawn, Jill Calvert, Pete Pavli, Michael Moorcock, Tommy Grenas, Steve Sneyd, Fred Reeves, Roger Neville-Neil. We are hoping that we will be able to produce a documentary that covers all aspects of Robert's output - music, plays, poetry and books - a lot of which people don't know much about, as well as trying to provide more of an understanding of the person rather than the persona. All of the profits raised from the project have been offered to Jill Calvert, who wants them donated to a charity that both she and Robert were in favour of - one of the animal campaign groups I think - I've got it written down somewhere. We are also trying to build up a photo-gallery, so obviously we are looking for any photo's of Robert - either on stage or more personal ones if possible, as well as audio and video footage of Robert with Hawkwind and solo. We are building up a large collection of live material and on the tribute part of the project we are hoping to put out as much of a concert as possible - just Calvert songs for obvious legal reasons. Although I've not yet managed to get in touch with Dave Brock, hopefully soon and maybe we'll be given permission - you never know! As well as the docu-tribute, there will be a booklet with contributions from Steve Sneyd, Jill Calvert, Steve Pond, Rod Goodway, Roger N-N, Brian Tawn - either something written about Robert or recollections and stories that didn't make there way into the film. I'm hoping to collect lots of peoples favourite memories and stories - just little snippets so that people who never met Robert, or ever saw him on stage can begin to see why he is still such a respected and popular man - a genius who has affected many lives either directly or indirectly through his music and words. Steve Rowlstone (sr51 at cant.ac.uk) From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Mar 29 07:15:57 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:15:57 +0100 Subject: Support Act Message-ID: Hello, Have the Porcupine Tree concert in from 21/10/95. It's the support act concert from Brixton "Academy" for Hawkwind.Anyone interested? greetings filip From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 29 13:42:03 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:42:03 -0000 Subject: Off: Ringtones Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" > or can think of a really good HW tune that would work well as a > ringtone (want something cheerful....) > Just a few quick thoughts. Hurry on Sundown Quark Strangeness and Charm Spirit of the Age Angels of Life/Death? Brainstorm? Magnu? Orgone Accumulator? Urban Guerilla (mmm - then again maybe not! 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Mar 29 14:39:26 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:39:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Tour Updates Message-ID: ++++++STAR WARRIORS+++++++ HAWKWIND SPRING 2003 MINI-TOUR: --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 18th 2003 CAMBRIDGE - The Junction Ticket Sales: 0870 771 2000 (24 hours) Online Sales: www.wayahead.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 19th 2003 NOTTINGHAM - Rock City Support: Ozric Tentacles Ticket Sales: 0115 9588484 (24 hours) Online Sales: www.wayahead.com www.alt-tickets.co.uk / Ticketmaster.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 25th 2003 LONDON - Astoria Theatre Support: Doctor & The Medics Phone: UK+44 (0)20 7316 4709(Mon-Sat) Online Sales: Ticketmaster.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 26th 2003 BRISTOL - Academy(Postponed from December 2002) Ticket Sales: 0870 771 2000 (24 hours) Online Sales: www.wayahead.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 27th 2003 BIRMINGHAM - Academy(Postponed from December 2002) Ticket Sales: 0870 771 2000 (24 hours) Online Sales: www.wayahead.com FULL TOUR AND VENUE DETAILS ON MISSION CONTROL:# www.hawkwind.com Direct URLS: TOUR DETAIL: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm VENUES:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/st_2003/info.htm + +++ + + ++MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + ++ From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Mar 28 15:40:51 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:40:51 -0000 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD Message-ID: Good question. I would say yes to both - I've not heard the CD version but I presume its the one on this tape. Same backing track but different vocal and mix with the tape version starting earlier. Unfortunately the tape needs to be treated before it can be played properly; it leaves a waxy deposit on the heads. Fahrenheit 110 for 4 hours, apparently. Anybody got an incubator? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD > Hi Keith > > Do you think that either the CD or the LP version is a live one ?? > > > cheers > Bernhard > > > > At 18:46 27.03.2003 +0000, you wrote: > >I have a copy here of PXR5 on reel-to-reel tape from February 1978, labelled > >Office Copy. The version of High Rise is not the one on the vinyl at least. > >Curiously the running order is also different, with PXR5 being the opening > >track with an extended intro and outro, followed by Robot then High Rise. > >The remainding tracks are the same as side 1 of the LP. > > > >One wonders if High Rise was reworked/remixed at the last minute for the > >vinyl, and the original version has been used on the CD release? > > > >Captain Bl at ck. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jon Jarrett" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:02 PM > >Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD > > > > > >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M Holmes wrote: > >> > >> > Jobson, Eddie writes: > >> > > >> > > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have > >> > > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise > >> > > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl > >one. > >> > > >> > Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the > >> > Codex: > >> > > >> > High Rise > >> > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals > >> > L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield > >> > L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > >> > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I > >> > L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > >> > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I > >> > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind > >> > L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > >> > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > >> > L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] > >> > L 1 b Castle Masters Collection > >> > L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > >> > 2 PXR5 [LP only] > >> > 2 Repeat Performance > >> > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > >> > 2 Tales From Atom Henge > >> > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > >> > 3 PXR5 [CD only] > >> > 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > >> > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line > >> > 5 The Hawklords Live > >> > > >> > * 1a is a remix of 1 > >> > * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour > >> > * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > >> > on the PXR5 CD. > >> > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a > >> > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) > >> > * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists > >> > >> This sparks a question which I've been meaning to ask for, ooh, > >> even longer than this mail's been kicking about my INBOX. > >> > >> I have neither LP nor CD, but an official Virgin pressing cassette > >> copy of _P.X.R.5_. Which version of `High Rise' have I got? I've heard > >> both _Tales from Atomhenge_ and _Epoch Eclipse_ and I don't remember > >> noticing ether of their `High Rise' versions as not being the one I > >> own... So I have cloth ears. Can anyone else tell me which version of the > >> album I need to look out for more urgently? Yours, > > >> Jon > >> > >> ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _In Absentia_ > >> -- > >> "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > >> law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > >> to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > >> delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > >> > >> (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) > > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Mar 30 06:34:59 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:34:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach party at my house! Message-ID: My mailbox happily had the New disc inside of it this afternoon. So, withoutfurhterado: This album is full of snapshots of a band's past, its present and its future. Like Piece of Work, it opens w/ a capella. Like Malpractice, it holds stripped down, reupholstered ditties from multiple histories, and Snowy's triumphant return! The sounds? What is the Production of this disc is something that I thinks works VERY well -- each musician's place is audible and sounds right. (Dudes, the drummin' ... THE DRUMMIN.... Yes. It is exactly that. The guitars are approached in a much diferent manner than we've heard on the past 6 discs and it's smoove and edgy at the same time.). This album makes me feel happy as I heart and as I remember it. It does not wax with nostaliga. Its flows with respect for where the surgeons have come from, the people and place that make up Life, and what drives them onwards. Oh, before I forget --- the 'tators asked, "who will save rock and roll?" THe surgeons answer, "At our own lil' place in the universe, we will my brothahs." Friends, they do it WELL. Thank you Albert,Deborah and Dave. Jason From senator at RIYAL.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sat Mar 29 22:04:42 2003 From: senator at RIYAL.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:04:42 -0800 Subject: Off: Ringtones In-Reply-To: <000d01c2f622$e6851ec0$09e0193e@jds> from "Jill Strobridge" at Mar 29, 2003 06:42:03 PM Message-ID: > From: "Maxine Wesley" > > > or can think of a really good HW tune that would work well as a > > ringtone (want something cheerful....) > > > Just a few quick thoughts. > > Hurry on Sundown > Quark Strangeness and Charm > Spirit of the Age > Angels of Life/Death? > Brainstorm? > Magnu? > Orgone Accumulator? > > Urban Guerilla (mmm - then again maybe not! 8-) > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Definately Hassan I Sahba, the violin intro Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sun Mar 30 02:58:35 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:58:35 -0500 Subject: Baking Tapes (like that PXR5 "office copy") In-Reply-To: <005d01c2f56a$534ba4c0$74aa6fd4@lucidzoo>; from starfield@SUPANET.COM on Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:40:51PM -0000 Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:40:51PM -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > Unfortunately the tape needs to be treated before it can be played properly; > it leaves a waxy deposit on the heads. > > Fahrenheit 110 for 4 hours, apparently. Anybody got an incubator? And then transfer it! Wendy Carlos writes, "you can supposedly do the bake trick again, but after 2-3 times, all bets are off!" Have you seen these? Lots of details about the process, suggestions for a machine to bake them in, how to handle them afterwards, etc.: http://www.wendycarlos.com/newsold.html#baketape A chatty intro, but has some details too http://www.interlog.com/~erics/baking1.html An article describing the process in detail. (This is the "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a tape!" article referenced by the preceding page.) http://www.josephson.com/bake_tape.html Another detailed article There's a lot of verbiage in those articles, but a number of important-sounding details scattered throughout, so it seems to be worth taking the time to read them thoroughly, and not just scan. Caveat: I have no experience with any of this; *everything* I know about it comes from the pages mentioned above. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / A distributed system is one on which I cannot get any work done, because a machine I have never heard of has crashed. - Leslie Lamport From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Mar 30 10:21:16 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:21:16 +0100 Subject: Pink Fairies/Hawkwind "Weird" tapes Message-ID: Might be of interest to some of you, but when the first three Pink Fairies albums got the "remaster plus bonus tracks" treatment last year, at CD Services, I advertised "What A Bunch Of Sweeties" as having five extra tracks. Later after release, it was pointed out to me that the release did only have two extra tracks and so I assumed I'd blown a fuse. But in last week's CDS catalogue spring clean, I found the original promo sheet for the album, and, indeed five bonus tracks were listed, notably: Going Down(5.35) and Walk Don't Run(10.35) that did appear plus three tracks that, for reasons unknown, were scheduled to appear but didn't notably: Paul Nr 37(3.48)/X-Ray(Alt version/3.02)/I Saw Her Standing There(alt version/3.14) Another mystery kind of solved!!! If anyone's interested, I picked up a copy each of the original Hawkwind Weird TAPES, notably numbers 102 and 103, originals not copies, from our local second hand shop, so if anyone wants them, then ?5.99 plus postage secures each (what I paid for them, basically). Transaction can be done via CD Services or Paypal - first one in gets them. More soon! Oh - the reissued "Stasis" CD and "Epoch Eclipse" 3CD set are in stock this coming Friday. Toodles, Andy G. deadearnest at btopenworld.com www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 30 13:54:13 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:54:13 -0500 Subject: Baking Tapes (like that PXR5 "office copy") Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:58:35 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:40:51PM -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >> Unfortunately the tape needs to be treated before it can be played >> properly; it leaves a waxy deposit on the heads. ... and on the capstan, and on the guide arms, and on all the other metal parts of the transport. Black gummy stuff. Yuck! >> Fahrenheit 110 for 4 hours, apparently. Anybody got an incubator? > >And then transfer it! Wendy Carlos writes, "you can supposedly >do the bake trick again, but after 2-3 times, all bets are off!" This shouldn't be *too* much of a problem, since baking a tape will make it good again for several years. And if you store it properly with a dessicant (sp?), such as those little bags of silica, in a cool, dark, dry place, it won't absorb the moisture that causes the shedding which requires the baking. > http://www.interlog.com/~erics/baking1.html > An article describing the process in detail. (This is > the "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a tape!" > article referenced by the preceding page.) This is a good one, since it mentions other important tape storage issues, such as getting an even pack on the reel and storing tails-out. > http://www.josephson.com/bake_tape.html > Another detailed article It's notable that this one contains a recommendation from George Horn of Fantasy Studios; while I don't have much personal experience with baking reels, a friend of mine runs a label (Anopheles) that reissues obscure mid/late-70s recordings, so he regularly brings reels TO Fantasy in Berkeley to get them baked. I'm sure that many UK studios (Rockfield, for instance) would have similar capabilities. >Caveat: I have no experience with any of this; *everything* I >know about it comes from the pages mentioned above. -Doug (Teac 80-8 1/2" 8-track owner/user) jasret at mindspring.com P.S. Yes, the 'PXR5' CD version of "High Rise" is the one with the alternate, very differently phrased, lead vocal. Interestingly, that's the version that Tommy Grenas sings on Nik's 'Past Or Future' live album from 1995. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 31 08:38:13 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:38:13 +0100 Subject: Off: Metallica In-Reply-To: <3DD4A064.14765.CA5FC@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Ted Jackson wrote: > On 14 Nov 2002, at 23:42, Tom Clark wrote: > > > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I > > hate Metallica" list. > > > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very > > original, and the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced > > wannabe rock star from day one, > > They are, to me, irrelevant, but they did have the good taste to cover > a B?C song, and not a thrashing one at that. If some misguided > kid got turned on to B?C because of them, then their existence is > justified... 'Tis maybe worth mentioning that when Bouchard Dunaway Smith played in London Joe introduced `Astronomy', if memory serves, as, "a song I wrote which Metallica covered". I don't think that, at least, has done anyone any harm. Yours, Jon (who, before he gave up on Usenet (this time) had seen far too much to think that a bash-Metallica list was a new idea... ) ObCD: Pink Fairies - _Never Never Land_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Mar 31 08:47:56 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:47:56 -0400 Subject: seeking date(s) in The Netherlands July-August 2003 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops are seeking festival date(s) in The Netherlands, July-August 2003 We plan to be back in The United Kingdom in July or August and we would like to sail over to Holland to play a few gigs. I have not played in The Netherlands since the summer of 2000 and I'm eager to return. If you have any suggestions or if you are putting together a summer event, drop us a like at sloterdijk at msn.com PS: This search is also for SLOTERDIJK http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Mar 31 10:25:47 2003 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:25:47 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: More o' my comments and stuff Message-ID: First, Nothing makes me crazy like seeing Jeniffer Aniston wearing an MC5 T-Shirt on a commercial for this week's "Friends." (I guess that can be read in a few ways. Heh.) (However, for more of a low-down on the whys and wherefores of the shirt, Brother wayne's webpage offers a few words.) Two: After being tantalized by the funk of "Tender was the Night," We finally get a full-fledged FUNKSOUL workout on this album -- "Whatever Works." mmm mmm mmm! Its gettin' on the good foot, good gawd,y'all! Not to mention the first full-scale surf-strumental "Gas Hog." Albert, is Static Cling going to be sharing the bill with tBS at Tommy's place in Newark? This would be a perfect tune for the two bands to rip through, given Cling's own smokin' surf-rock medley. hehee! Anyone else gots da disc yet? Can I hear an amen? Jason From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 31 10:37:01 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37:01 +0000 Subject: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works Message-ID: Hi Lord and Steve, I dont have any footage or recordings of Bob, but I would be glad to relate any memories I have. I played guitar on his "Hype" album and performed at several gigs with him in the early 80's. I regard his songs as being generally the best Hawkwind had to offer, especially from a musicians point of view. Trev (Judge) >I received the following email from a gentleman names Steve Rowlstone who >recently contacted me regarding a film project he is working on and asked >me >to spread the word. I've included Steve's email at the end in case you care >to contact him. Here it is: > >What we are doing is hoping to produce a documentary and a tribute to >Robert >Calvert. We are interviewing as many people as we can who worked with >Robert >i.e. Nik Turner, Adrian Shaw, Steve Pond, Simon House and others, as well >as >Brian Tawn, Jill Calvert, Pete Pavli, Michael Moorcock, Tommy Grenas, Steve >Sneyd, Fred Reeves, Roger Neville-Neil. We are hoping that we will be able >to produce a documentary that covers all aspects of Robert's output - >music, >plays, poetry and books - a lot of which people don't know much about, as >well as trying to provide more of an understanding of the person rather >than >the persona. > >All of the profits raised from the project have been offered to Jill >Calvert, who wants them donated to a charity that both she and Robert were >in favour of - one of the animal campaign groups I think - I've got it >written down somewhere. > >We are also trying to build up a photo-gallery, so obviously we are looking >for any photo's of Robert - either on stage or more personal ones if >possible, as well as audio and video footage of Robert with Hawkwind and >solo. We are building up a large collection of live material and on the >tribute part of the project we are hoping to put out as much of a concert >as >possible - just Calvert songs for obvious legal reasons. Although I've not >yet managed to get in touch with Dave Brock, hopefully soon and maybe we'll >be given permission - you never know! > >As well as the docu-tribute, there will be a booklet with contributions >from >Steve Sneyd, Jill Calvert, Steve Pond, Rod Goodway, Roger N-N, Brian Tawn - >either something written about Robert or recollections and stories that >didn't make there way into the film. I'm hoping to collect lots of peoples >favourite memories and stories - just little snippets so that people who >never met Robert, or ever saw him on stage can begin to see why he is still >such a respected and popular man - a genius who has affected many lives >either directly or indirectly through his music and words. > >Steve Rowlstone (sr51 at cant.ac.uk) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 31 10:46:08 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:46:08 +0000 Subject: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works Message-ID: sorry, not lord - jerry >I received the following email from a gentleman names Steve Rowlstone who >recently contacted me regarding a film project he is working on and asked >me >to spread the word. I've included Steve's email at the end in case you care >to contact him. Here it is: > >What we are doing is hoping to produce a documentary and a tribute to >Robert >Calvert. We are interviewing as many people as we can who worked with >Robert >i.e. Nik Turner, Adrian Shaw, Steve Pond, Simon House and others, as well >as >Brian Tawn, Jill Calvert, Pete Pavli, Michael Moorcock, Tommy Grenas, Steve >Sneyd, Fred Reeves, Roger Neville-Neil. We are hoping that we will be able >to produce a documentary that covers all aspects of Robert's output - >music, >plays, poetry and books - a lot of which people don't know much about, as >well as trying to provide more of an understanding of the person rather >than >the persona. > >All of the profits raised from the project have been offered to Jill >Calvert, who wants them donated to a charity that both she and Robert were >in favour of - one of the animal campaign groups I think - I've got it >written down somewhere. > >We are also trying to build up a photo-gallery, so obviously we are looking >for any photo's of Robert - either on stage or more personal ones if >possible, as well as audio and video footage of Robert with Hawkwind and >solo. We are building up a large collection of live material and on the >tribute part of the project we are hoping to put out as much of a concert >as >possible - just Calvert songs for obvious legal reasons. Although I've not >yet managed to get in touch with Dave Brock, hopefully soon and maybe we'll >be given permission - you never know! > >As well as the docu-tribute, there will be a booklet with contributions >from >Steve Sneyd, Jill Calvert, Steve Pond, Rod Goodway, Roger N-N, Brian Tawn - >either something written about Robert or recollections and stories that >didn't make there way into the film. I'm hoping to collect lots of peoples >favourite memories and stories - just little snippets so that people who >never met Robert, or ever saw him on stage can begin to see why he is still >such a respected and popular man - a genius who has affected many lives >either directly or indirectly through his music and words. > >Steve Rowlstone (sr51 at cant.ac.uk) _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 31 11:11:36 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:11:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron Tree Message-ID: Hi, Monumental events are in the air. At this very moment Tree, Trev and Hawkman are in the studio, making their contribution to world peace in the way they are best able. Forces of light are being channeled, spirits of purification are being invoked in preparation for the great day of unleashing! - A day when the spirits of evil and corruption (and we've seen plenty of those recently eh?)will be thrown back in shock and dismay as these Lords of Light assume their true aspects. I can say no more for security reasons. May the spirit of LOVE and LIGHT triumph and walk with you all. Judge Trev > >>>> What happened to Ron Tree ? > >> Um, isn't there a band called "Bajina" or something that Ron's part > >> of, or perhaps 'fronts'? That's still an ongoing thing isn't it? > >> Was/is Trev part of that too? (seems like maybe that's right?) > >> With who else? I suppose if Trev's listening, then he could tell > >> us what the deal is with Ron. Ron was also a guest at some of the > >> X-HW gigs I believe. And he was never really fired from HW, so I > >> suppose he just sort of drifted off on his own accord. > > > > Well, a while ago I received spam about *this*: > > > > > > > > So it seems that Inner City Hawks which appears to be Bajina > > as was (sorry change of name that, now it's much more clearly a > > second-hand band IMO), is still alive and functional, in some form, > > or at least, that was this year and it suggests they can be booked... > > Wonder what you'd get if you tried, I must admit. > >The Inner City Hawks and Fee Mercury Moon have made available free audio >and PC video CDs of the Frome February 15 2003 gig. You can see excerpts >from the video at the URL quoted above. The name ICH actually seems more >appropriate since much of the set is Hawkwind covers - though there are >also some very nice space jams and a coupla new Ron Tree-ish style songs, >plus a song from the recent Trev solo CD God and Man. Overall the sound is >much more space-rock and much less punk than you might expect. According to >the ICH list the lineup is said to be fairly stable and includes Ron, Judge >Trev, and Commander Jim Hawkman (who previously played with Nik and Co.) >doing some good spacy synth stuff. The audio/video discs were recently >treed on Neo-Quark - if there is anyone here who wants a copy you can >contact me off-list with your mailing address. Can't guarantee rapid >response tho, coz I'm swamped at the moment. > >Stephan _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 31 11:25:57 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:25:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, M Holmes wrote: > > Michael Blackman writes: > > > True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on > > > the edge of time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly > > > wouldn't get any royalties from ebay sales. > > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's > > clear that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes > > account of the resale value. Therefore if the band are on a > > percentage royalty then a healthy secondhand market does add to > > their income. Basic piracy obviously doesn't unless it serves to > > bring new buyers into the process. > Mike, is this actually true at all? What's truth? It is standard economics though. > It seems to me that if it were to > be then someone would have to be surveying all second-hand outlets to > have an idea of which artists were selling and which weren't, and I > find it very unlikely that sort of information's available to > high-street retailers, or even that they'd let it affect their prices > if it were. Nope. It's the buyers who know that stuff they buy has some resale value and have some rough idea of what that value might be. in the case of cars, there's actually a book of resale values of various models modified by age and condition. This plays a key part in the financing of new cars where "trade in" is used. In the case of items such as CD's the buyers generally know the rough resale price of a CD which is modified by the band's popularity and sometimes by rarity of the release. The retailer can't charge any more for an item than the consumer is willing to pay and what the consumer is willing to pay will depend in part on what the consumer calculates that they can recover on resale of the item. That makes for a top price. Obviously effects like competition from other retailers might force that price lower for any particular retailer. Not that these are the only factors affecting pricing, but the resale value is a factor which affects price. FoFP From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Mon Mar 31 11:58:51 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:58:51 +0100 Subject: Off: Ringtones Message-ID: Try The flute intro from Assault and battery from WOTEOT >From: Bill Bradley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Off: Ringtones >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:04:42 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc6-f37.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.173]) by >mc6-s16.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 29 Mar >2003 19:06:06 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by >mc6-f37.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 29 Mar >2003 19:06:05 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id WAA28466;Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:04:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 98382 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sat, >29 Mar 2003 22:04:50 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >WAA28459 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:04:50 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu (riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu >[131.215.43.166]) by mailgate.spc.edu >(8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id WAA02951 for >; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:04:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: by riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 2689) id >1446645804; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:04:42 -0800 (PST) >X-Message-Info: N4u0pqWW+O0FK/zWy/zAaJtag4N4KGPV >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] >Message-ID: <20030330030442.1446645804 at riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >In-Reply-To: <000d01c2f622$e6851ec0$09e0193e at jds> from "Jill Strobridge" >at Mar 29, 2003 06:42:03 PM >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2003 03:06:06.0037 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4DFF4850:01C2F669] > > > From: "Maxine Wesley" > > > > > or can think of a really good HW tune that would work well as a > > > ringtone (want something cheerful....) > > > > > Just a few quick thoughts. > > > > Hurry on Sundown > > Quark Strangeness and Charm > > Spirit of the Age > > Angels of Life/Death? > > Brainstorm? > > Magnu? > > Orgone Accumulator? > > > > Urban Guerilla (mmm - then again maybe not! 8-) > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Definately Hassan I Sahba, the violin intro > > Bill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Mon Mar 31 12:06:10 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:06:10 +0100 Subject: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works Message-ID: I saw Bob on his 1988 tour just before he died, try your hardest to get a tribute to him. >From: "Trev (Judge)" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37:01 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.71] >X-Originating-Email: [judge48 at hotmail.com] >Received: from mc6-f14.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.150]) by >mc6-s14.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 31 Mar >2003 07:40:57 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by >mc6-f14.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 31 Mar >2003 07:40:56 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id KAA02491;Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:37:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 99124 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, >31 Mar 2003 10:37:43 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >KAA02484 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:37:43 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-f34.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.247.34]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >KAA20150 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:37:33 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:37:01 -0800 >Received: from 195.92.198.71 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, >31 Mar 2003 15:37:01 GMT >X-Message-Info: N4u0pqWW+O0FK/zWy/zAaJtag4N4KGPV >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2003 15:37:01.0915 (UTC) > FILETIME=[5FCE6AB0:01C2F79B] >Message-ID: >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Hi Lord and Steve, > >I dont have any footage or recordings of Bob, but I would be glad to relate >any memories I have. I played guitar on his "Hype" album and performed at >several gigs with him in the early 80's. I regard his songs as being >generally the best Hawkwind had to offer, especially from a musicians point >of view. > >Trev (Judge) > > > > > > > >>I received the following email from a gentleman names Steve Rowlstone who >>recently contacted me regarding a film project he is working on and asked >>me >>to spread the word. I've included Steve's email at the end in case you >>care >>to contact him. Here it is: >> >>What we are doing is hoping to produce a documentary and a tribute to >>Robert >>Calvert. We are interviewing as many people as we can who worked with >>Robert >>i.e. Nik Turner, Adrian Shaw, Steve Pond, Simon House and others, as well >>as >>Brian Tawn, Jill Calvert, Pete Pavli, Michael Moorcock, Tommy Grenas, >>Steve >>Sneyd, Fred Reeves, Roger Neville-Neil. We are hoping that we will be able >>to produce a documentary that covers all aspects of Robert's output - >>music, >>plays, poetry and books - a lot of which people don't know much about, as >>well as trying to provide more of an understanding of the person rather >>than >>the persona. >> >>All of the profits raised from the project have been offered to Jill >>Calvert, who wants them donated to a charity that both she and Robert were >>in favour of - one of the animal campaign groups I think - I've got it >>written down somewhere. >> >>We are also trying to build up a photo-gallery, so obviously we are >>looking >>for any photo's of Robert - either on stage or more personal ones if >>possible, as well as audio and video footage of Robert with Hawkwind and >>solo. We are building up a large collection of live material and on the >>tribute part of the project we are hoping to put out as much of a concert >>as >>possible - just Calvert songs for obvious legal reasons. Although I've not >>yet managed to get in touch with Dave Brock, hopefully soon and maybe >>we'll >>be given permission - you never know! >> >>As well as the docu-tribute, there will be a booklet with contributions >>from >>Steve Sneyd, Jill Calvert, Steve Pond, Rod Goodway, Roger N-N, Brian Tawn >>- >>either something written about Robert or recollections and stories that >>didn't make there way into the film. I'm hoping to collect lots of peoples >>favourite memories and stories - just little snippets so that people who >>never met Robert, or ever saw him on stage can begin to see why he is >>still >>such a respected and popular man - a genius who has affected many lives >>either directly or indirectly through his music and words. >> >>Steve Rowlstone (sr51 at cant.ac.uk) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile/mobilehotmail From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Mar 31 12:23:07 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:23:07 +0100 Subject: Cooking tapes in an oven Message-ID: Hi ya, Trivia time for cooks:-) On Star Wars Episode II disk 2 there is a documentry of a sound person cooking his manky tapes in his oven. Unfortunately they don't go into details on the process but you do see what happens if the recipe is wrong. Chris From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 31 14:28:26 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:28:26 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:25:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Jon Jarrett writes: > >> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, M Holmes wrote: > >> > Michael Blackman writes: > >> > > True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on >> > > the edge of time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly >> > > wouldn't get any royalties from ebay sales. > >> > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's >> > clear that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes >> > account of the resale value. Therefore if the band are on a >> > percentage royalty then a healthy secondhand market does add to >> > their income. Basic piracy obviously doesn't unless it serves to >> > bring new buyers into the process. > >> Mike, is this actually true at all? > >What's truth? It is standard economics though. > >> It seems to me that if it were to >> be then someone would have to be surveying all second-hand outlets to >> have an idea of which artists were selling and which weren't, and I >> find it very unlikely that sort of information's available to >> high-street retailers, or even that they'd let it affect their prices >> if it were. > >Nope. It's the buyers who know that stuff they buy has some resale value >and have some rough idea of what that value might be. in the case of >cars, there's actually a book of resale values of various models >modified by age and condition. This plays a key part in the financing of >new cars where "trade in" is used. Yes, there are "blue books" for secondhand CD's (and LP's/45's), just as there are for cars, rare books, guns, collectibles, and just about anything else with a secondhand market. And at least with CD's/LP's, the blue books are notoriously inaccurate, both overpricing common items, and underpricing rarities known only to obsessive collectors. Stores that rely solely on those aren't generally the most profitable ones in town ... >In the case of items such as CD's the buyers generally know the rough >resale price of a CD which is modified by the band's popularity and >sometimes by rarity of the release. > >The retailer can't charge any more for an item than the consumer is >willing to pay and what the consumer is willing to pay will depend in >part on what the consumer calculates that they can recover on resale of >the item. > >That makes for a top price. Obviously effects like competition from >other retailers might force that price lower for any particular >retailer. > >Not that these are the only factors affecting pricing, but the resale >value is a factor which affects price. This explains why some secondhand CD's cost more than others, but it doesn't explain how, as you say, "if the band are on a percentage royalty then a healthy secondhand market does add to their income". I think THAT is the statement that Jon is confused about - I certainly am! The statement doesn't make any sense to me, since bands don't get any royalty percentages from secondhand sales. If anything, it seems to me that a healthy secondhand market would *detract* from a band's income, since a band's fans have a finite amount of funds to spend on the band's releases. Just as you describe "basic piracy", secondhand sales do not help a band economically "unless it serves to bring new buyers into the process" (which, of course, both sometimes do, at least in my personal experience). Also (as an aside), I seriously doubt that very many people buy new CD's (unlike new cars) with any consideration as to what the resale value might be (the notable exception being pre-fab "collectors' items", limited editions, and the like). If that were the case, nobody would buy top-40 releases, because those will all necessarily have lower resale values due to excessive supply. I wish I could cite actual papers, but some of the most interesting recent findings in economics have been studies showing that consumers (including consumers of stocks & securities) do *not* behave in the "rational" manner that the current supposed laws of economics were presumed to dictate. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 31 17:18:37 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:18:37 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: More o' my comments and stuff In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD8AA@exchsen0a1md.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Scruton, Jason wrote: > Albert, is Static Cling going to be sharing the bill with tBS at > Tommy's place in Newark? This would be a perfect tune for the two bands > to rip through, given Cling's own smokin' surf-rock medley. hehee! Yes, they will as well as several other upstate tBS shows so we will have to work out some extravaganzas for y'all.! From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Mar 31 21:24:43 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:24:43 -0500 Subject: Robert Calvert Documentary in the works Message-ID: >sorry, not lord - >jerry Hey that's ok Trev. People make the same mistake all the time :-) But seriously... Steve is not a member of this list. I'm just spreading the word on his behalf so please email him directly. Jerry From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Mar 31 23:30:33 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:30:33 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND MUSEUM - WORLD EXCLUSIVE Message-ID: the curators of the hawkwind museum would like to invite all members of the BOC-L group to view the "world exclusive" pictures of the band that have just been posted to the site. we don't want to say too much, but this is a previously unknown side to the band, that we for one, were not aware of. to find these gems either go to www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk and look for the "world exclusive" header on the homepage, or to straight to them it's www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hawkfilm.htm . i hope you find this stuff as interesting as we did and we look foreward to you comment either to the newsgroup or to us directly at the museum. thanks a lot, dave and simon