From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 1 08:24:53 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:24:53 +0800 Subject: OFF: 2003 Message-ID: Richard wrote: > However, while you're celebrating the new year, please bear a thought for > Larry "DASLUD" Boyd. Amen to that. Does anyone know how Larry's doing? Cheers Bill From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Jan 1 09:21:55 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:21:55 -0000 Subject: OFF: 2003 Message-ID: > Richard wrote: > > However, while you're celebrating the new year, please bear a thought for > > Larry "DASLUD" Boyd. > > Amen to that. Does anyone know how Larry's doing? > Larry's been moved to the SICU unit in Southshore Hospital, 55 Fogg Road, South Weymouth, MA 02190 Phone: 781-340-8354. Apparently he's stable - ie, not any worse, no better either. :-( Rich. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 1 09:40:05 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:40:05 +0800 Subject: OFF: 2003 Message-ID: Thanks for the update Rich. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: OFF: 2003 > > Richard wrote: > > > However, while you're celebrating the new year, please bear a thought > for > > > Larry "DASLUD" Boyd. > > > > Amen to that. Does anyone know how Larry's doing? > > > > Larry's been moved to the SICU unit in Southshore Hospital, 55 Fogg Road, > South Weymouth, MA 02190 Phone: 781-340-8354. > > Apparently he's stable - ie, not any worse, no better either. :-( > > Rich. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 2 00:51:54 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:21:54 +1030 Subject: New years party Message-ID: Captain Blue Skins(alien Dream) - New Years party report Played a blinder of a live show new years eve which included two sets of very cool hawkwind tunes. The Hawkwind songs were enjoyed by the crowd the most. It was so obvious. Songs played: Psi Power Levitation Magnu Money Tree Sputnik Stan Song Of the swords Sea King Love iN space Reefer madness Flying Dr Our light show was very psychedelic - love those fogger machines. Picture available if anyone wants a peek! Cheers ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 2 16:18:58 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:18:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pearlman on Strummer Message-ID: The latest 'San Francisco Bay Guardian' has several articles written in homage to the late Joe Strummer, including one by 'Give 'em Enough Rope' producer and (of course) B?C lyricist/producer Sandy Pearlman. Among other things, mr. Pearlman describes his first encounter with the Clash: "The first time I saw them was during the English firefighters strike of 1977. CBS had taken me up to Manchester to see them play; they had me on a tour of England where I got to see every new wave or punk band they wanted me to produce. They took me to Manchester, I walked into the hall, and I guess the sound guy signaled to them that I was in the room. As soon as I got up to the mixing position, they said, 'We're dedicating this to Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, and most of all, the Blue Oyster Cult,' and they played 'I'm So Bored with the U.S.A.' With the first chord, I told the CBS guy, 'Let's cut the tour short. This is fine. I love 'em. Let's do it.'" full text here: http://www.sfbg.com/37/14/art_joe_strummer.html -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rockypaths at MSN.COM Fri Jan 3 04:53:34 2003 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:53:34 +0000 Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on Message-ID: Hi All Did 25 Years On ever get released on CD? It I believe is the only key album I am missing (I only collect CDs). If it hasn't or is has been deleted - what are the chances of it being reissued? Happy New Year to all Jon _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Fri Jan 3 05:12:58 2003 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:12:58 -0000 Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on Message-ID: Have only ever seen it on Ebay second hand and goes for about 50UK pounds. It is also the only mainstream CD I don't have. I have another question if anyone knows. While listening to Epoch Eclipse in the car yesterday and particularly Silver Machine as I am also reading Lemmy's White Line Fever book at the moment, at the end of the hit version with him singing, who is it who screams Silver Machine a few timers at the end of the song? I remember someone telling me years ago when I first got into HW that it was Nik. Anyone know for sure. Thanks and happy new year, Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Norman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 03/01/03 09:53 Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on Hi All Did 25 Years On ever get released on CD? It I believe is the only key album I am missing (I only collect CDs). If it hasn't or is has been deleted - what are the chances of it being reissued? Happy New Year to all Jon _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 3 10:02:09 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:02:09 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: So Bob was wrong then! Message-ID: "Al, why don't you get a haircut?" Marion Davies (01/03/1897 - 09/22/1961), to Albert Einstein US actor So was Mr Calvert wrong on more than one count here then? From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 3 10:05:52 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:05:52 -0000 Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on Message-ID: THis the hardest to find cd and the most expensive on ebay, ive seen it go for over 100 dollars on many an occasion. colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Norman" To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on > Hi All > > Did 25 Years On ever get released on CD? It I believe is the only key album > I am missing (I only collect CDs). > > If it hasn't or is has been deleted - what are the chances of it being > reissued? > > Happy New Year to all > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Jan 3 11:17:29 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:17:29 -0000 Subject: Some early Hawk items for Kollektors Message-ID: http://www.walrus.co.uk/ddisc/rock.htm Their main biz is amazing hi-fi - mucho interesting stuff on the 2ndhand page (esp. for vinyl buffs!) ChrisW ObCDThe Wire Tapper 09 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Jan 3 10:07:38 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:07:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Reminder: One Eyed Bishops hit London on the 12th!! Message-ID: For complete gig details visit: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com If you are around South Norwood on the eve of the 11th, why not come out and party with us. That's the night we arrive. We'll be attending a concert by The TT's, the band fronted by our producer Terry Clemsom. You can find out about this at: www.tts.ttfans.com or drop us a line. Feel free to drop us a line, if you might come out to see us un Merton ( Wimbleton) or Shoreditch.. Peace, Mike From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 3 14:08:21 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:08:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawklords - 25 years on Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:12:58 -0000, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Have only ever seen it on Ebay second hand and goes for about 50UK pounds. >It is also the only mainstream CD I don't have. Moi, aussi. I suspect that the Virgin CD's in the late 80's sold fewer copies than the other 3 Virgin/Charisma albums ('Astounding', 'Quark', 'P.X.R.5', the first two of which were also available on Griffin), hence it's the rarest. >I have another question if anyone knows. While listening to Epoch Eclipse >in the car yesterday and particularly Silver Machine as I am also reading >Lemmy's White Line Fever book at the moment, at the end of the hit version >with him singing, who is it who screams Silver Machine a few timers at the >end of the song? I remember someone telling me years ago when I first got >into HW that it was Nik. Anyone know for sure. Right, those screams aren't on the un-overdubbed 'Glastonbury Fayre' version, are they? (I'll have to double-check when I get home.) They don't really sound like Nik to me, but they don't sound like Dave, Bob, or Lemmy, either. We know that Lemmy's vocals, Dave's guitar solo, and some synth bits were added during the overdub session, but I'm not quite sure of what else. Interesting food for thought ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 4 09:35:37 2003 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:35:37 +0000 Subject: Hawklords - 25 years on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jobson, Eddie writes >I have another question if anyone knows. While listening to Epoch Eclipse in >the car yesterday and particularly Silver Machine as I am also reading >Lemmy's White Line Fever book at the moment, at the end of the hit version >with him singing, who is it who screams Silver Machine a few timers at the >end of the song? I remember someone telling me years ago when I first got >into HW that it was Nik. Anyone know for sure. It's actually Dave. Nik was asked this very question in a radio interview (DJ plays Silver Machine, as it's fading out asks, 'so who's making those high-pitched screams at the end there?') and confirmed that it was Brock. And I think it *is* recognisably him if you listen closely. The interview in question is with Nik and Simon House from late '99 I think, and it certainly used to be available as an MP3 online, but I can't remember where I'm afraid. Quite interesting if you can find it though, Nik on good form- he does most of the talking as you would expect. -- Nick Medford From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 4 09:47:01 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:47:01 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (January 4, 2002): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #65) and Alchemical Radio (show #32). See the playlists below. The OFFICIAL STONE PREMONITIONS web site is now online at http://www.aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Stone Premonitions is the home to Census Of Hallucinations, Krom Lek, The Rabbit's Hat, and numerous other artists. Visit our site for information on all the artists, plus discographies, photos, reviews, and mp3's. LOTS of amazing psychedelia and progressive rock! We are also the producers of the Alchemical Radio shows! Aural Innovations Radio (show #65) Circle - "Scotch" (from First Steps [Klangbad compilation]) Jet Jaguar - "The Emissary"/"I.C.U." (from Free Space) The AcidGuitarKing - "Spacedreamer" (from Liquid Sky) Skye Klad - "Outrider" (from Skye Klad II) The Liquid Sound Company - "Cubehead" (from Inside The Acid Temple) The High Violets - "Wheel" (from 44 Down) Junkyard Genius - "UFO" (from The Diary Of Dick Benito) Pocket Venus - "Tell Me Why" (from Tell Me Why) Bevis Frond - "Grounded" (from Pull Up The Paisley Covers: A Psychedelic Omnibus) Mr Quimby's Beard - "Deejam" (from The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries Of...) Mick Polich - "Dreaming Backwards" (from Experiments In Ambient Groove Volume One) Paradise Lost - "Perfect Mask" (from Symbol Of Life) Opeth - "A Fair Judgement" (from Deliverence) Alchemical Radio (show #32) Mystery Juice - "Open My Mouth And Don Nothing" Crowhead - "Fire Eye (Kill You)" Saturnia - "Vimana" The Dipsomaniacs - "Hear Me, Take Me" Doro - "Fight By Your Side" The Baptist Generals - "Burning" Superczar - "Sunshine Ends" Barra - "Power Of Three" Rick Ray - "They've Created A Monster" Room With A View - "L'enfant Italie" Hilda Garman - "UFO" Blackmore's Night - "Minstrel Hall" Room With A View - "Madeleine" Tim Mungenast - "Demons" Joshua Charles - "Seconds" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Jan 4 10:57:42 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:57:42 -0400 Subject: HW: One Eyed Bishops appearance at The King's Head pub ALL SCREWED UP Message-ID: Hello, to my dismay and disappointment the gig at The King's Head Pub in Merton, January 12th is ALL SCREWED UP. Although I received word from The Sutton acoustic music club, confirming our appearance about two weeks ago, when I made my final confirmation yesterday, I was told that the club will not meet until January, 26. Now we have a real dilemma. I am seeking an alternative venue for this evening, however it is not going to be easy. If you want to contact the pub on High Street in Merton, and see if they can sort this and still have us play, it would be greatly appreciated. I can't dial long distance till after 9 PM US time, and the pub has no internet address: Pub can be reached at: 07703 472824 Cheers! Mike Burro PS: If this does not work we will likely perform at The Blue Angel, St. Albans..on the same night From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 4 10:26:21 2003 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:26:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: <008001c2a790$e92f0fe0$96ad6fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: In message <008001c2a790$e92f0fe0$96ad6fd4 at lucidzoo>, Captain Bl at ck writes >This is true - it may be bass heavy and not sonically acurate but it is >quite listenable on my system at least. Agreed. The bass sound is somewhat synthetic but overall it sounds good, certainly better than plenty of other HW live releases. Perhaps it depends on your hi-fi system. And of course your nervous system. It was a tremendous gig and the recording doesn't *quite* do it justice, but it's good enough. Indeed the version of Angels of Death would be in my live HW top 10. -- Nick Medford From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Jan 4 17:16:29 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:16:29 -0500 Subject: Cellar tapes Message-ID: I was trying to find the Calvert site, Spirit of the Page. Is it gone, I can't locate it? I was looking for the tracklist for this. Can anyone send me it or tell me where to find it? I'm looking for the original, not the Blueprints version. Cheers Stephe From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Jan 4 21:38:19 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:38:19 -0500 Subject: Cellar tapes Message-ID: I believe the website shut down, and is eventually going to be re-opened as part of `aural innovations' Believe this was discussed a few months back,if not here,then on the hawkwind/yahoo list tim 8>)... stephe lindas wrote: > > I was trying to find the Calvert site, Spirit of the Page. Is it gone, I can't > locate it? I was looking for the tracklist for this. Can anyone send me it or > tell me where to find it? I'm looking for the original, not the Blueprints > version. Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jan 5 06:51:56 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 06:51:56 -0500 Subject: Cellar tapes Message-ID: HI TIM, Thanks. I remember this now. Anyone happen to have the tracklist for this? I have a 2cd set called beyond the cellar. I'm trying to figure out what it actually is. I don't have the cellar tapes, just Blueprints. Is this something different or the same? Can anyone help? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Cellar tapes > I believe the website shut down, and is eventually going to be > re-opened as part of `aural innovations' Believe this was discussed a few > months back,if not here,then on the hawkwind/yahoo list > tim 8>)... > stephe lindas wrote: > > > > I was trying to find the Calvert site, Spirit of the Page. Is it gone, I can't > > locate it? I was looking for the tracklist for this. Can anyone send me it or > > tell me where to find it? I'm looking for the original, not the Blueprints > > version. Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jan 5 12:38:40 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:38:40 -0500 Subject: catapilla Message-ID: Anyone know anything about this band? Says Robert Calvert was a member. Is it safe to assume this is the Calvert that was in Mother Gong and not the HW one? Cheers Stephe From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 5 14:45:11 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:45:11 -0000 Subject: catapilla Message-ID: Ah - this one has resurfaced! The Robert Calvert playing on the Catapilla album is NOT the Bob Calvert of Hawkwind! I understand from those that have bought it in error that it's not that bad an album actually - but definitly not Hawkwind related! Happy New Year to all jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: catapilla Anyone know anything about this band? Says Robert Calvert was a member. Is it safe to assume this is the Calvert that was in Mother Gong and not the HW one? Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jan 5 14:54:21 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:54:21 -0500 Subject: catapilla Message-ID: Hi, Thank you Jill. So its the guy from Mother Gong then? I ended up buying The Owl and the Tree. Not really my thing, but I found out too late. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: Re: catapilla > Ah - this one has resurfaced! The Robert Calvert playing on the > Catapilla album is NOT the Bob Calvert of Hawkwind! I understand > from those that have bought it in error that it's not that bad an album > actually - but definitly not Hawkwind related! > > Happy New Year to all > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephe lindas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: catapilla > > > Anyone know anything about this band? Says Robert Calvert was a member. > Is it safe to assume this is the Calvert that was in Mother Gong and not > the HW one? Cheers Stephe From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 5 16:19:04 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:19:04 -0000 Subject: catapilla Message-ID: Hi Stephe, This is indeed the Mother Gong related Robert Calvert rather than the Hawkwind related version. Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: catapilla Anyone know anything about this band? Says Robert Calvert was a member. Is it safe to assume this is the Calvert that was in Mother Gong and not the HW one? Cheers Stephe From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 5 07:34:08 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:34:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away Message-ID: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away for being conspired against by The Hell's Angels over being a Hawkwind deadhead: *Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch 1991 black UK tour t-shirt *Black Fluorescent Doremi logo t-shirt US tour 1998 * Strange Daze 1997 black Alien logo w/Alien Planetscapes/Quarkspace/Architectural Metaphor and other bands * White Strange Daze '98 t-shirt w/meditating alien logo and festival bands on the back These were all my favorite T-shirts and I had to throw them away because I was being conspired against by Hell's Angels for owning so much Hawkwind memorabilia and for walking down the street in a Hawkwind t-shirt. I post this in an act of self-preservation to be remembered as a Hawkwind fan and a deadhead on this list. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 5 18:24:41 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:54:41 +1030 Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away Message-ID: I will erect a statue of you (depicitng you wearing one of these lost shirts) next to the waterfall of eternal life where grows all manner of natural hallucinogenic plant species. That is, if I can remember how to find that damn waterfall. Theres quite a few of them on my hundred thousand acre ranch here on venus. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away > Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away for being conspired > against by The Hell's Angels over being a Hawkwind > deadhead: > > *Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch 1991 black UK tour > t-shirt > *Black Fluorescent Doremi logo t-shirt US tour 1998 > * Strange Daze 1997 black Alien logo w/Alien > Planetscapes/Quarkspace/Architectural Metaphor and > other bands > * White Strange Daze '98 t-shirt w/meditating alien > logo and festival bands on the back > > These were all my favorite T-shirts and I had to throw > them away because I was being conspired against by > Hell's Angels for owning so much Hawkwind memorabilia > and for walking down the street in a Hawkwind t-shirt. > I post this in an act of self-preservation to be > remembered as a Hawkwind fan and a deadhead on this > list. > > Chr. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Jan 5 17:24:16 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:24:16 -0400 Subject: One Eyed Bishops: New venue for January 12th in St. Albans Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops will appear as 'visiting band', at Blue Angel Acoustic Cafe, on January 12th. We will arrive at the cafe by 8PM. This is technically an open mic event, so the admission is FREE. Most likely we will only play about 4-5 tunes, however it's a nice place to meet people, have a drink and talk to our UK friends. There should be no problems with regard to another cancellation. We are very happy about this alternative, even though it was rather a headache rearranging the gig. We'll be playing material which will be recorded in the studio the following day, so we are making this a warm up for that. The following is the pertinent information: Blue Angel Acoustic Cafe, Victoria St. St Albans For directions, map, description of venue and more visit:www.lemonrock.com/blueangel.php3 You can also help us out by calling the club and telling Bill Johnson, that you are coming to see us at: 01727 730681 He might be able to give you an estimate as to what time we'll actually take to the stage. This place has a nice PA, and decent house lighting. Hope some of you will check it out. Peace, Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com PS: and don't forget our show Jan 15th at Catch 22, Kingsland Rd. London E2 8DA We will headline a 5 band bill which includes: The One Eyed Bishops, Jebs, Hokum Clones, The Monkey Shot, Barth admission: 5 quid For additional venue information, directions, nearest tube & rail lines see: http://www.myvillage.press.net/results.php?venuid=catch&maincat=mus&domain=myshoreditch From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Jan 5 17:50:12 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:50:12 -0400 Subject: 'Blues Matters' announces OEBs gigs and project; see link below Message-ID: http://bluesmatters.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48&mode=&order=0&thold=0 From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 6 08:03:39 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:33:39 +1030 Subject: oiiiiiii Message-ID: Who is Ivan Milat? ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 6 08:24:13 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:24:13 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Re: Passport Message-ID: NICE TO SEE PASSPORTS ARE FINALLY COMING THRU.I HAVE RECEIVED MINE AFTER INITIALLY ENQUIRING ON OUR WONDERFUL NETWORK. I SUGGEST TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT THAT YOUR PHOTO SHOWS YOU TO BE TOO GOOD LOOKING AND EARTH LIKE TO BE A PASSPORT HOLDER!! ALTERNATIVELY IT MAY HAVE BEEN MISSPLACED SO I SUGGEST YOU CONTACT PASSIE CONTROL >From: Alan Linsley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Fwd: Re: Passport >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:20:01 +0000 > >Folks > >Just wanted to point out that, following the attached >post, my Passport arrived 2 days ago. Shame it was too >late for the tour, I'll just have to do even more gigs >on the Spring Tour to make up for it. Bummer huh? :-) > >So a big thank-you to whoever-it-was who got things >moving on this. For others like D-Rider who are still >waiting, don't give up! > >Cheers > >AL >--- Alan Linsley wrote: > >Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:21:36 +0000 > > From: Alan Linsley > > Subject: Re: Passport > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > I too have been waiting for a HW Passport. Since > > August/September-ish I think. And I live in > > Bristol, > > just up the M5 from the band! > > > > So at the Hanley gig I asked Kris what on earth was > > going on with the passports. She recommended I > > contact Captain Black via this list, or at least his > > partner "Tone" who processes Passport applications. > > So, if you're out there Passport Tone - can I and > > all > > the others who have been clearly been waiting a > > while > > please have an update? > > > > Thanks > > > > AL > > > > --- Richard Lockwood > > wrote: > Agreed. > > No, they don't. I sent away for mine some > > > two/three years ago - > > > whenever the idea was raised, and never got cunt > > all > > > back. > > > > > > Still, that's Hawkwind for you. > > > > > > Love 'em or hate 'em, you'd never accuse them of > > > being predictable. > > > > > > *sigh* > > > > > > See you all at Walthamstow. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Be Patient :-) > > > > > > > > If they've been preparing for a tour, rehearsing > > > etc, and now on tour, > > > it's bound to slow things down. The band don't > > have > > > an army of admin > > > personnel. > > > > > > > > So I would wait a little longer, it will come. > > > > > > > > Rich W > > > > > > > > > > > > > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR > > AUGUST > > > GROUP AND START BY > > > ASKING > > > > > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND > > > PASSPORT. HAVING NOT > > > RECEIVED > > > > > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO > > REPLY. > > > ADDRESS I USED WAS PO > > > BOX28 > > > > > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC > > > WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 6 09:45:12 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:15:12 +1030 Subject: YO! Message-ID: Just so everyone knows - I am NOT an AUSTRALIAN I was born in CANADA but I consider myself to be a citizen and loyal PATRIOT of planet Earth so..... there ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 6 10:22:34 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:22:34 GMT Subject: YO! In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:15:12 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > but I consider myself to be a citizen and loyal PATRIOT of planet Earth Eat Flaming Death, Terran Scum! FoFP From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 6 10:26:08 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:26:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Weird Virus? Message-ID: Some of my posts have been affected by something pretty bloody weird. I send an Email and when it is received by the recipient it has words added, for example I ended an Email "Happy New Year" when it arrived it read "Happy New year from the one who died" I dont know what this is, maybe a virus? Does anyone know? If it is a virus it's bloody clever because it excuses people from writing whatever they like because they can claim that they were infected by said virus. it calculates and intelligently adds all sorts of tosh. This problem was only on my Windows machine, I'm now using my Linux Box which is of course much better! Ian A: This affected the mail I sent you. See you later Ben From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 6 10:52:40 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:22:40 +1030 Subject: YO! Message-ID: Not a Terran, no. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:52 AM Subject: Re: YO! > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > > but I consider myself to be a citizen and loyal PATRIOT of planet Earth > > Eat Flaming Death, Terran Scum! > > FoFP > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Jan 6 10:44:11 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:44:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away Message-ID: Captain, Please erect your statue of me with the 1991 Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch shirt as that was my favorite and I wore it so much around my first girlfriend, Dorothea. Remember me as a wee little girl named Aleister Crowley in a Hawkwind t-shirt with a thrashmetal mohawk. I'll be skinhead warrior hero to all of Hawkwind forever. Chr. Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:54:41 +1030 From: Cpt Blue Skin Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away I will erect a statue of you (depicitng you wearing one of these lost shirts) next to the waterfall of eternal life where grows all manner of natural hallucinogenic plant species. That is, if I can remember how to find that damn waterfall. Theres quite a few of them on my hundred thousand acre ranch here on venus.---------------------------Cpt Blue Skin(Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away > Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away for being conspired > against by The Hell's Angels over being a Hawkwind> deadhead:> > *Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch 1991 black UK tour> t-shirt > *Black Fluorescent Doremi logo t-shirt US tour 1998 > * Strange Daze 1997 black Alien logo w/Alien > Planetscapes/Quarkspace/Architectural Metaphor and> other bands > * White Strange Daze '98 t-shirt w/meditating alien > logo and festival bands on the back> > These were all my favorite T-shirts and I had to throw > them away because I was being conspired against by > Hell's Angels for owning so much Hawkwind memorabilia > and for walking down the street in a Hawkwind t-shirt. > I post this in an act of self-preservation to be > remembered as a Hawkwind fan and a deadhead on this> list.>> Chr.> > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> http://uk.my.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 6 11:17:15 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:47:15 +1030 Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away Message-ID: and to set the scene off and make it really special the morning glories will be grown in a way that they appear to be eternally draped around your shoulders and the magic mushrooms will ever sprout from where the cow patties have been placed most strategically tween the toes. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away > Captain, > Please erect your statue of me with the 1991 > Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch shirt as that was my > favorite and I wore it so much around my first > girlfriend, Dorothea. Remember me as a wee little girl > named Aleister Crowley in a Hawkwind t-shirt with a > thrashmetal mohawk. I'll be skinhead warrior hero to > all of Hawkwind forever. > > Chr. > > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:54:41 +1030 > From: Cpt Blue Skin > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away > I will erect a statue of you (depicitng you wearing > one of these lost > shirts) next to the waterfall of eternal life where > grows all manner of > natural hallucinogenic plant species. That is, if I > can remember how to > find that damn waterfall. Theres quite a few of them > on my hundred thousand > acre ranch here on > venus.---------------------------Cpt Blue Skin(Alien > Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amphetamine Embalmer > > To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, > 2003 11:04 PM > Subject: HW: Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away > > Hawkwind t-shirts I threw away for being conspired > > against by The Hell's Angels over being a Hawkwind> > deadhead:> > > *Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch 1991 black UK tour> > t-shirt > > *Black Fluorescent Doremi logo t-shirt US tour 1998 > > * Strange Daze 1997 black Alien logo w/Alien > > Planetscapes/Quarkspace/Architectural Metaphor and> > other bands > > * White Strange Daze '98 t-shirt w/meditating alien > > logo and festival bands on the back> > > These were all my favorite T-shirts and I had to > throw > > them away because I was being conspired against by > > Hell's Angels for owning so much Hawkwind > memorabilia > > and for walking down the street in a Hawkwind > t-shirt. > > I post this in an act of self-preservation to be > > remembered as a Hawkwind fan and a deadhead on this> > list.>> Chr.> > > __________________________________________________> > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 6 12:37:39 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:37:39 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to blame other than themselves and so... FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Jan 6 16:52:58 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:52:58 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Bikinis and Bonfires and Beer Message-ID: Here's the latest from cellsum.com: > The Brain Surgeons, the critically acclaimed power trio led by Blue ?yster > Cult founder Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost, are in the final throes of > mixing a sixth (seventh? depends on who's counting) CD release. In the near > decade since the 1994 debut Eponymous, the band, once a quintet, has been > forced, by death, disaster and the simple facts of the road, to redefine its > music, mission and self damn near completely. > > Beach Party, due March, 2003, featuring a handful of contributions from > familiar collaborators, bassist Joe Bouchard and lyricist Richard Meltzer, is > the organic, essential Brain Surgeons, stripped straight to the rock hard bone > and occasionally thoroughly ridiculous nonsense that is generally only fully > experienced live. Beach Party will be accompanied by the band's most extensive > touring to date including select shows scheduled for France and Great Britain > in April. Hoo-Ha! Looks like there might be a hint of the cover art on the site's splash page too. I can't make out what the pattern is in the sand though. Brian From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Jan 6 17:52:44 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:52:44 -0500 Subject: YO! Message-ID: Oh, a moose, eh tim 8>)... Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > Just so everyone knows - I am NOT an AUSTRALIAN > > I was born in CANADA > > but I consider myself to be a citizen and loyal PATRIOT of planet Earth > > so..... there > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > (alien dream) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 6 19:38:13 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:08:13 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: the fools - what wonderful free promotion. They still haven't learned- which is handy for the bands.... From the day we are old enough to play with toys we (children) have guns placed in our hands. Toy guns yes. But to a child - you cant tell me [mr politician] that doesn't leave an impact on the childs psyche. Then give these kids years of brain damaging vaccinations and sedatives so the parents dont have to worry about the kids (all well documented abd researched by medical studies) - THEN set them in front of violent tv shows from the age of two without the slightest supervision - nah that hasn't had an affect on anyone. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Once again music gets the blame > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm > > Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have > been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to > blame other than themselves and so... > > FoFP > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jan 6 23:49:12 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:49:12 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/4/03 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . 1.Loopian Zu "Intelligence Park/Aquawalk" (Valley of the Brains; Warped and Wounded) 2.Amon Duul II "Hawknose Harlequin" (Carnival in Babylon; Captain Trip/Repetoire) 3.Lithium X-mas "Boston Strong Girl" (Helldorado; Direct Hit) 4.ST 37 "Caves of Ice" (Down on Us; Emperor Jones) 5.Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band "Space-Age Couple/The Clouds are Full of Wine not Whisky or Rye/Flash Gordon Ape" (Lick My Decals Off, Baby; Warner Brothers) 6.Farflung "Mother Orbis" (So Many Minds, So Little Time; Purple Pyramid) 7.Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "Stranger than Kindness" (Your Funeral...My Trial; LSR) 8.Scattered Planets "Digital Strangers" (Andromeda Keg Party) 9.45 Self "Behind the Veil" (Aztec Gameshow Death Ritual; Sirius Death Ritual) 10.Chrome "title-track" (Half Machine Lip Moves; Touch and Go) 11.Hawkwind "Brainstorm" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 12.Schittstelle "Hallmarke 2" (ST'd; Rather Interesting) 13.Krom Lek "Letting it Run" (Rariteality; Stone Premonitions) 14.Bionaut "Goliath" (Big Causeway to Gone; Triptych ) 15.Ashqelon Quilt "title-track" (The Event; Headline/Hi-Note) 16.Abunai! "Toast" (Mystic River Sound; Camera Obscura) 17.Rollerball "Butter Fairy" (Trail of the Butter Yeti; Road Cone) thanks, Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 7 10:44:57 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:44:57 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:08:13 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > the fools - what wonderful free promotion. They still haven't learned- > which is handy for the bands.... > From the day we are old enough to play with toys we (children) have guns > placed in our hands. Toy guns yes. But to a child - you cant tell me [mr > politician] that doesn't leave an impact on the childs psyche. > Then give these kids years of brain damaging vaccinations and sedatives so > the parents dont have to worry about the kids (all well documented abd > researched by medical studies) - THEN set them in front of violent tv shows > from the age of two without the slightest supervision - nah that hasn't had > an affect on anyone. I think it's even simpler than that. We had machinegun drivebys by the end of Prohibition I. There's scant reason to expect the Prohibition II experiment to have different results. The answer isn't to make Prohibition III a gun ban, it's to quit Prohibition II before things get any worse than they already have. Unless Britain were stupid enough to again ban prostitution and gambling, there's no possible source of criminal profit high enough to pay people to risk their lives outside of Prohibition II. We don't have driveby shootings for alcohol retail rights any more. It really is that simple. In the meantime, I expect banning guns to have every bit the success that banning drugs did. We can therefore look forward to routinely armed Police, and when that fails, routinely armed citizens. Welcome to the future. FoFP From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Tue Jan 7 17:55:32 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:55:32 -0700 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: Anybody know what/when gig this is from? HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. or this one, too? GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. Mark From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 7 18:12:04 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:12:04 -0000 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: These are the audio versions of the video recordings issued on DVD last year. The Hawkwind recording is available on the Nottingham 1990 2 Cd set. You should note that neither Gong nor Hawkwind have ever received a penny from these releases. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Licht" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: HW: what show is this? > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. > > or this one, too? > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > Productions. 2002. > > Mark > From novadrive at COX.NET Tue Jan 7 18:29:14 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:29:14 -0700 Subject: HW: what show is this? In-Reply-To: <003701c2b6a2$3168bca0$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: What about from the videotape/laserdisc releases of "Live Legends"? KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Colin J Allen > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:12 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: what show is this? > > > > You should note that neither Gong nor Hawkwind have ever received a penny > from these releases. > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Licht" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:55 PM > Subject: HW: what show is this? > > > > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. > 2002. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Jan 7 18:28:36 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:28:36 -0000 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: Both shows were specially recorded for a UK television series called Bedrock (late night music show) in 1990. The Hawkwind show forms part of the recently released Nottingham90 cd from Voiceprint. Mark (again) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Licht" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: HW: what show is this? > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. > > or this one, too? > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > Productions. 2002. > > Mark > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Jan 7 19:41:42 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:41:42 -0000 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: To pre-empt Colin, I would imagine not this either - all due to this wonderful activity in the UK industry called "licensing" so that once the ball is rolling, if someone wants, then it need never stop as the item(s) concerned get licensed from label to label to label a la Dave Anderson. Funny old world!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: what show is this? > What about from the videotape/laserdisc releases of "Live Legends"? > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Colin J Allen > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:12 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: what show is this? > > > > > > > > You should note that neither Gong nor Hawkwind have ever received a penny > > from these releases. > > > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Licht" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:55 PM > > Subject: HW: what show is this? > > > > > > > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > > > > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > > > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > > > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. > > 2002. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Jan 7 20:09:19 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:09:19 -0500 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: Where did you find these for sale?? tim Mark Licht wrote: > > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. > > or this one, too? > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > Productions. 2002. > > Mark From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 8 04:25:37 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 04:25:37 -0500 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:09:19 -0500, Tim wrote: >Where did you find these for sale?? >tim >Mark Licht wrote: > > > > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. Any chance that "Wind of Change" or "Dream Worker" (or "Treadmill"/"Heads"/"Time We Left" or the inevitable "Hassan i Sahba") are on this (i.e. the tracks missing from the Voiceprint 'Lice 1990')? 2002. > > > > or this one, too? > > > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies > > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > > Productions. 2002. > > > > Mark From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 8 05:25:40 2003 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:25:40 -0000 Subject: gong dvd Message-ID: > > From: Mark Licht > asked what show is this? GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 try the Gong Appreciation Soc site: http://www.planetgong.co.uk/ dave From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 06:50:23 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:50:23 EDT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301061737.RAA18733@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 6 Jan 2003 at 17:37, M Holmes wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm > > Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have > been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to > blame other than themselves and so... > You'd think the rest of the world would have the sense to learn from the multiple mistakes we Americans have made regarding firearms. Gun crime increases because the criminals know that there is a smaller likelihood that an honest citizen will now have a gun to defend his house. And, making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals from getting them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't buy them legally anyway! So the law doesn't change the procurement means for criminals, just honest folks! theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 07:59:50 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:59:50 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:50:23 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > On 6 Jan 2003 at 17:37, M Holmes wrote: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm > > > > Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have > > been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to > > blame other than themselves and so... > You'd think the rest of the world would have the sense to learn from > the multiple mistakes we Americans have made regarding firearms. We don't get the chance in the uK. We're constantly lied to concerning guns in the uS and since the average citizen here's "ecperience" of US gun crime is Hollywood movies, mythmaking is passed off as not only fact, but analysis. Otherwise bright people just plain don't believe me when I tell them that football kills more students than guns in US schools; that the areas of the US with most guns have lower crime rates; that the states which relegalised handguns saw crime rates fall rapidly; and that Britain has higher violent crime rates than the uS in all but homicide and since our murder rates rise while yours fall, we're fast headed for the intersect. Quite why people prefer it this way has me quite baffled. It's almost like we'd rather see people raped and killed than admit that Hollywood movies aren't true. > Gun > crime increases because the criminals know that there is a smaller > likelihood that an honest citizen will now have a gun to defend his > house. And, making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals from getting > them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't buy them > legally anyway! So the law doesn't change the procurement means for > criminals, just honest folks! You'd think that'd be as plain as your nose, but none of our politicians appear able to understand it. obHawkwind: It seems almost quaint that they pulled a verse of Right to decide concerned with gun crime when you see the fuss about rap music. FoFP From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Wed Jan 8 08:18:54 2003 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:18:54 +0000 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <3E1BD83F.23294.151CC3@localhost> Message-ID: I'd rather live here in London/UK where gun crime is still lower per year than any week in a major US city. And that's not counting "accidental" shootings or people just "losing it". I'm all for the current ban on handguns in the UK. Letting the public carry firearms is not going to lower gun crime in the UK. Yes, I agree that polititians have some silly knee jerk reactions , but also people over react and scaremonger. Andy, London UK, and not living in fear of being shot on my door step. At 07:50 08/01/03 EDT, you wrote: >On 6 Jan 2003 at 17:37, M Holmes wrote: > > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm >> >> Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have >> been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to >> blame other than themselves and so... >> >You'd think the rest of the world would have the sense to learn from the multiple >mistakes we Americans have made regarding firearms. Gun crime increases >because the criminals know that there is a smaller likelihood that an honest citizen >will now have a gun to defend his house. And, making guns illegal doesn't stop >criminals from getting them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't buy >them legally anyway! So the law doesn't change the procurement means for >criminals, just honest folks! > >theo > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 09:13:46 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:13:46 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Andy Ball's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:18:54 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Ball writes: > I'd rather live here in London/UK where gun crime is still lower per year > than any week in a major US city. Perhaps so, but the burglary, mugging and rape figures are a lot higher per capita. Which is more likely to happen to you? > And that's not counting "accidental" shootings or people just "losing it". > I'm all for the current ban on handguns in the UK. > Letting the public carry firearms is not going to lower gun crime in the UK. Why would we behave any differently to Anmericans? Are we so morally inferior that we can't be trusted? Are our criminals more heedless of their own lives? > London UK, and not living in fear of being shot on my door step. I wouldn't live there for any money, and the same isn't true of a lot of places in the US. FoFP From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Jan 8 09:31:21 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:31:21 +0000 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: M Holmes wrote : obHawkwind: It seems almost quaint that they pulled a verse of Right to decide concerned with gun crime when you see the fuss about rap music. I remember the controversy when RtD came out. IIRC, was it not to do with some chap, who, when approached by officials trying to forcibly evict him from his house, pulled a gun and shot one of them ? (my memory is a little hazy) I don't suppose anyone out there knows the gist of the pulled lyrics ? Cheers Neil. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jan 8 09:41:51 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:41:51 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030108131854.009c30a0@pop3> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:18:54PM +0000, Andy Ball wrote: => I'd rather live here in London/UK where gun crime is still lower per year => than any week in a major US city. => And that's not counting "accidental" shootings or people just "losing it". => I'm all for the current ban on handguns in the UK. => Letting the public carry firearms is not going to lower gun crime in the UK. => Yes, I agree that polititians have some silly knee jerk reactions , but => also people over react and scaremonger. => => Andy, => => London UK, and not living in fear of being shot on my door step. Before Xmas, I saw at my local cinema what I think is an interesting and thought-provoking film: BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE. Your mention of "scaremongering" and "living in fear" made me think of this film, as it's one of the themes that arises. One of the things noted during the film is that whilst gun crime has actually decreased about 20% in the USA over the last few years, reporting of it has *increased* about 600%, giving people the impression things are getting much worse. Plus, that reporting tends to be skewed towards certain ethnic groups, setting up various reinforced lines of distrust. Jumpy, scared people with guns is not a good thing. :-) One interesting point raised in the film is that although many other countries around the world have much the same circumstances as the USA (e.g., availability of guns; bloody historical past; watch violent films; play violent video games), for some reason those other countries are not killing themselves at the same rate as the USA: tens or hundreds of deaths per year vs. many thousands. In particular, the film highlights Canada, which has about the same ethnic mix and guns per capita as the USA, yet has only a fraction of the gun deaths (plus they don't lock their doors;). So, the root cause must lie somewhere other than guns or violent films, music, and video games: perhaps it is something innately cultural, but what? I don't know, but, like I said, it's thought provoking. Don't buy the fear hype. Remember, as Sir Paul McCartney reminds us, "it's getting better all the time." :-) Perform a reality check. The next time someone tells you "it's not safe to walk the streets," or "illegal immigrants are flooding the country," or similar doom and gloom, ask yourself when was the last time you or someone you know was a victim of crime on the street, or, if the country is "flooded" with them, why haven't you or anyone you know actually met an illegal immigrant personally. :-) Info about "Bowling For Columbine" can be found via http://www.michaelmoore.com. It's actually a really humourous film quite a bit of the time (and very sombre at others)---the animated "brief history of the USA" segment narrated by the talking bullet is hilarious, IMHO. Go to see the film if you can. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 08:57:23 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:57:23 EDT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <20030108144151.GB13298@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2003 at 9:41, Paul Mather wrote: > One interesting point raised in the film is that although many other > countries around the world have much the same circumstances as the USA > (e.g., availability of guns; bloody historical past; watch violent > films; play violent video games), for some reason those other > countries are not killing themselves at the same rate as the USA: tens > or hundreds of deaths per year vs. many thousands. In particular, the > film highlights Canada, which has about the same ethnic mix and guns > per capita as the USA, yet has only a fraction of the gun deaths (plus > they don't lock their doors;). > > So, the root cause must lie somewhere other than guns or violent > films, music, and video games: perhaps it is something innately > cultural, but what? I don't know, but, like I said, it's thought > provoking. Don't buy the fear hype. Remember, as Sir Paul McCartney > reminds us, "it's getting better all the time." :-) > I think one key factor in the US is the easy availability of gun dealership licenses. Virtually anyone can become a 'gun dealer' here, even if they aren't in business or have no intention of ever doing retail business. An average bloke can buy a hundred assault weapons if he wants. Of course you don't have to be a 'dealer' to own hundreds of guns here, but if you're a dealer, you can get more 'exotic' weapons... the analogy to Canada is an interesting one. I'd like to know what the per capita ownership is in Canada, and how many multiple weapon owners are there, also how many are licensed gun dealers... > Perform a reality check. The next time someone tells you "it's not > safe to walk the streets," or "illegal immigrants are flooding the > country," or similar doom and gloom, ask yourself when was the last > time you or someone you know was a victim of crime on the street, or, > if the country is "flooded" with them, why haven't you or anyone you > know actually met an illegal immigrant personally. :-) > Geez, I've met lots of them, though they weren't threatening people. They were migrant laborers. Too damned tired to think of robbing anyone! theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 09:58:08 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:58:08 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:31:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: M Holmes Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:31:21 +0000 Reply-To: M.Holmes at ed.ac.uk Cc: Neil Shilladay writes: > M Holmes wrote : > obHawkwind: It seems almost quaint that they pulled a verse of Right to > decide concerned with gun crime when you see the fuss about rap music. > > I remember the controversy when RtD came out. IIRC, was it not to do with > some chap, who, when approached by officials trying to forcibly evict him > from his house, pulled a gun and shot one of them ? (my memory is a little > hazy) I did have a copy of the pulled lyrics but seem to have lost them. The story was of a chap near Newcastle who had troubles getting planning permission for a bungalow. Since the objection had to do with height, he dug a ditch and built the bungalow in it, thus lowering the roof below the maximum height. The council then said that he'd built it six inches too far to one side and ordered him to dismantle it. Acrimonius exchanges followed as well as threats to anyone coming to bulldoze the property. In the end the bulldozer arrived along with a Council officer who had felt it only fair to turn up in person to serve the writ upon the hapless occupant. The Council officer was shot dead and an accompanying policeman shot and injured. The occupant was jailed and his family and friends in the end dismantled the bungalow. Can't remember the chap's name though. Alf something? FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 10:04:29 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:34:29 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Spend some time in LA and just watch the news reports. I would believe that football kills more students in the us than guns - but are those stats regarding student gunshot deaths vs football deaths? I would imagine so. The stats that I have seen show that there are an alarming number of gunshot fatalaties in the US. But then guns are glorified over there as well. How many movies have you seen where the "good guy" has gotten his revenge by scoring a weapon and blowing away the "bad guys." I think there should be better education, starting in school, regarding firearms. The laws regarding purchasing firearms should be strict - background checks - waiting periods - etc and that the police should not have to waste their resources chasing pot smokers when they could be directing that energy towards eradicating - or working towards eradicating black market weapons trade/sales etc. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Ted Jackson writes: > > > On 6 Jan 2003 at 17:37, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm > > > > > > Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have > > > been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to > > > blame other than themselves and so... > > > You'd think the rest of the world would have the sense to learn from > > the multiple mistakes we Americans have made regarding firearms. > > We don't get the chance in the uK. We're constantly lied to concerning > guns in the uS and since the average citizen here's "ecperience" of US > gun crime is Hollywood movies, mythmaking is passed off as not only > fact, but analysis. Otherwise bright people just plain don't believe me > when I tell them that football kills more students than guns in US > schools; that the areas of the US with most guns have lower crime rates; > that the states which relegalised handguns saw crime rates fall rapidly; > and that Britain has higher violent crime rates than the uS in all but > homicide and since our murder rates rise while yours fall, we're fast > headed for the intersect. > > Quite why people prefer it this way has me quite baffled. It's almost > like we'd rather see people raped and killed than admit that Hollywood > movies aren't true. > > > Gun > > crime increases because the criminals know that there is a smaller > > likelihood that an honest citizen will now have a gun to defend his > > house. And, making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals from getting > > them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't buy them > > legally anyway! So the law doesn't change the procurement means for > > criminals, just honest folks! > > You'd think that'd be as plain as your nose, but none of our politicians > appear able to understand it. > > obHawkwind: It seems almost quaint that they pulled a verse of Right to > decide concerned with gun crime when you see the fuss about rap music. > > FoFP > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jan 8 10:04:55 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <3E1BD83F.23294.151CC3@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 07:50:23AM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: => And, making guns illegal doesn't stop => criminals from getting them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't buy => them legally anyway! What, not even through newspaper ads and at gun shows?!? I'm shocked! ;-) I remember the brouhaha here in Virginia when the General Assembly wanted to pass a law limiting people to buying only one gun PER MONTH. (Yes folks, that's only a measly twelve guns per year.) You should've seen the feathers fly over that one! I guess there are some pretty avid "collectors" in Virginia... :-) (Aside: Virginia is a major source of guns that eventually end up in surrounding states that have very restrictive gun laws [I think New York may be one of them]. Obviously there's good money to be made buying guns in bulk in Virginia and selling them through "alternative channels"---no-questions-asked---elsewhere.) Cheers, Paul. PS: Is there a "gun of the month club?" (How about a "two guns of the month club?";) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Jan 8 09:38:09 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:38:09 -0700 Subject: HW: what show is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From the latest newsletter from: ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** thanks one and all for the responses, one of the Mark's -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: what show is this? Where did you find these for sale?? tim Mark Licht wrote: > > Anybody know what/when gig this is from? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. 2002. > > or this one, too? > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead Pixies > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > Productions. 2002. > > Mark From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 10:17:29 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:17:29 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:57:23 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > On 8 Jan 2003 at 9:41, Paul Mather wrote: > > > One interesting point raised in the film is that although many other > > countries around the world have much the same circumstances as the USA > > (e.g., availability of guns; bloody historical past; watch violent > > films; play violent video games), for some reason those other > > countries are not killing themselves at the same rate as the USA: tens > > or hundreds of deaths per year vs. many thousands. In particular, the > > film highlights Canada, which has about the same ethnic mix and guns > > per capita as the USA, yet has only a fraction of the gun deaths (plus > > they don't lock their doors;). Similarly the UK had the right to keep and bear arms, and at one point it was even mandatory for a man with the means to buy a gun to do so specifically in order to prevent crime. Every infringement of this right up through the Dunblane Act has led to higher gun crime. On its own, that can perhaps be written off to higher crime rates generally (but why?). In conjunction with experience of 33 US states relegalsing and seeing crime rates fall faster than states which didn't, it raises the very ominous question that we're pursuing exactly the opposite strategy that we ought to be. That is if the aim is to reduce crime rather than to exercise a pogrom against gun owners and satisfy a hoplophobic streak in the UK. On the latter terms, we've done excellently well. Perhaps I'm strange, but I'd very much rather see crime go down, even if it means making the criminals scared to go about their business. > > So, the root cause must lie somewhere other than guns or violent > > films, music, and video games: perhaps it is something innately > > cultural, but what? I don't know, but, like I said, it's thought > > provoking. Don't buy the fear hype. Remember, as Sir Paul McCartney > > reminds us, "it's getting better all the time." :-) The trouble with Mike Moore is that he has an axe to grind and he can just make it up as he goes along. Some of the stats in the movie have been hilariously debunked and he's been forced to admit that you can't walk in to a bank, open an account, and walk out with a gun as shown in the movie. The bank passed on a credit for a gun which had to be obtained in the normal way after background checks. I find Mark Thomas amusing whereas Mike Moore seems merely irritating. That said, I did enjoy his Pink Bus tour of Bubba country. > I think one key factor in the US is the easy availability of gun > dealership licenses. Virtually anyone can become a 'gun dealer' here, > even if they aren't in business or have no intention of ever doing > retail business. An average bloke can buy a hundred assault weapons > if he wants. Of course you don't have to be a 'dealer' to own > hundreds of guns here, but if you're a dealer, you can get more > 'exotic' weapons... Well, to be honest, though I'm very much in favour of well-balanced and law-abiding citizens rights to carry for defence of themselves and others, I'd be put in the "gun banners" category in the US because I'd insist on training in target acquisition, law, security and safety, with a veto going to the gun clubs doing the training if they felt anything was amiss in the attitude of the trainee (three Scottish clubs practically begged the Police to pull Thomas Hamilton's licence and the Police failed to do so). > the analogy to Canada is an interesting one. I'd like to know what > the per capita ownership is in Canada, and how many multiple weapon > owners are there, also how many are licensed gun dealers... Per capita ownership is higher in Switzerland in the US (it's mandatory for males to keep a gun and ammunition) while the crime rate is lower. There's something about the US all right. The places with the most legal guns have the lowest crime rates and places which extend legal rights see crime rates fall. The most likely explanation is that even criminals want to live through an extended career and adjust their behavior to achieve this. The other side is the inner cities where guns are illegal. Prohibition II provides the cash to pay people to risk their lives to defend retail rights. There's also the tradition aspect garnered there from Prohibition I. I'd really really like the UK to see sense on this one before we garner that level of tradition. There's no obvious cause for hope as yet though and even the politicians must realise that a gun ban will work about as well as a drug ban. Back to the topic: music is obviously linked to drugs to some degree and I doubt that the rap glamorisation of gun culture helps matters but the basic facts are that singing about it is very far from the core of the problem. Of course it's easier for New Nanny to pick on rap musicians than admit they got it wrong with the Dunblane Act. Sick of politicians... FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 10:22:29 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:52:29 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: I dont think people should be carrying firearms to go outdoors to town etc - but having said that - I have known woman (in america) who have avoided being mugged or raped because they were able to pull a gun and scare the attackers off long enough to get to safety. I certainly do believe that a homeowner should have the right to have a registered weapon for self defense and should have the right to use that weapon if someone breaks into their home. Not like here in Australia where if someone breaks into your home (even if they are armed) and you practically have to hand them a questionaire to determine whether or not they are actually breaking in with intent to harm you or just to rob you before you are able to defend yourself - AND EVEN THEN you still might end up being charged. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:11 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:18:54PM +0000, Andy Ball wrote: > => I'd rather live here in London/UK where gun crime is still lower per year > => than any week in a major US city. > => And that's not counting "accidental" shootings or people just "losing it". > => I'm all for the current ban on handguns in the UK. > => Letting the public carry firearms is not going to lower gun crime in the UK. > => Yes, I agree that polititians have some silly knee jerk reactions , but > => also people over react and scaremonger. > => > => Andy, > => > => London UK, and not living in fear of being shot on my door step. > > Before Xmas, I saw at my local cinema what I think is an interesting > and thought-provoking film: BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE. Your mention of > "scaremongering" and "living in fear" made me think of this film, as > it's one of the themes that arises. One of the things noted during > the film is that whilst gun crime has actually decreased about 20% in > the USA over the last few years, reporting of it has *increased* about > 600%, giving people the impression things are getting much worse. > Plus, that reporting tends to be skewed towards certain ethnic groups, > setting up various reinforced lines of distrust. Jumpy, scared people > with guns is not a good thing. :-) > > One interesting point raised in the film is that although many other > countries around the world have much the same circumstances as the USA > (e.g., availability of guns; bloody historical past; watch violent > films; play violent video games), for some reason those other > countries are not killing themselves at the same rate as the USA: tens > or hundreds of deaths per year vs. many thousands. In particular, the > film highlights Canada, which has about the same ethnic mix and guns > per capita as the USA, yet has only a fraction of the gun deaths (plus > they don't lock their doors;). > > So, the root cause must lie somewhere other than guns or violent > films, music, and video games: perhaps it is something innately > cultural, but what? I don't know, but, like I said, it's thought > provoking. Don't buy the fear hype. Remember, as Sir Paul > McCartney reminds us, "it's getting better all the time." :-) > > Perform a reality check. The next time someone tells you "it's not > safe to walk the streets," or "illegal immigrants are flooding the > country," or similar doom and gloom, ask yourself when was the last > time you or someone you know was a victim of crime on the street, or, > if the country is "flooded" with them, why haven't you or anyone you > know actually met an illegal immigrant personally. :-) > > Info about "Bowling For Columbine" can be found via > http://www.michaelmoore.com. It's actually a really humourous film > quite a bit of the time (and very sombre at others)---the animated > "brief history of the USA" segment narrated by the talking bullet is > hilarious, IMHO. Go to see the film if you can. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 09:21:46 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:21:46 EDT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <001301c2b727$3ebbd560$41cb223f@studio> Message-ID: On 9 Jan 2003 at 1:34, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > Spend some time in LA and just watch the news reports. I would > believe that football kills more students in the us than guns - but > are those stats regarding student gunshot deaths vs football deaths? > I would imagine so. I think Mike was trying to say that more US kids die AT SCHOOL from sports injuries than being shot. The Columbine-type incidents get so much publicity that people think it's a daily occurrence... The stats that I have seen show that there are an > alarming number of gunshot fatalaties in the US. Murder is the leading cause of death for teenage African American males in the US... But then guns are > glorified over there as well. How many movies have you seen where the > "good guy" has gotten his revenge by scoring a weapon and blowing away > the "bad guys." > > I think there should be better education, starting in school, > regarding firearms. The laws regarding purchasing firearms should be > strict - background checks - waiting periods - etc and that the police > should not have to waste their resources chasing pot smokers when they > could be directing that energy towards eradicating - or working > towards eradicating black market weapons trade/sales etc. > That's the root of the problem. See, a supposed gun dealer can buy a hundred assault rifles, and put them in storage. He can then arrange to have them 'stolen' by an associate, and duly report the theft to the authorities, so he's in the clear. His buddy trucks the weapons to the opposite coast, and sells them for a huge markup. And the original 'dealer' can even claim the loss on his insurance [of course his policy will get dropped, but then he'll have a bunch of money from the illegal sale and the insurance claim!] And he can still buy a bunch more guns! One answer in the US is restricting the number of weapons an individual can buy, and mainly, by making it harder to get a firearms dealership license. But it wouldn't stop weapons crime either. The larger causes are sociological, I think, as Canada has lots of guns and a lot less crime than the US... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 10:26:44 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:26:44 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:52:29 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > I dont think people should be carrying firearms to go outdoors to town etc - > but having said that - I have known woman (in america) who have avoided > being mugged or raped because they were able to pull a gun and scare the > attackers off long enough to get to safety. Well yeah, there aren't so many muggings indoors, though sadly it's far from unknown. One caveat for the UK though: folks who carry to the pub definitely ought to hand them in at the bar before being served, and pick up the next day. I'm sure the muggers would get the drift though, but the risks of drunkards probably outweigh the risks to drunkards in that case. How do they handle that issue in redneck towns in the US? > I certainly do believe that a homeowner should have the right to have a > registered weapon for self defense and should have the right to use that > weapon if someone breaks into their home. Not like here in Australia where > if someone breaks into your home (even if they are armed) and you > practically have to hand them a questionaire to determine whether or not > they are actually breaking in with intent to harm you or just to rob you > before you are able to defend yourself - AND EVEN THEN you still might end > up being charged. That's pretty much the state of affairs here in the UK after the Dunblane Safety At Work Act. Hell, if a home invader trips on a child's toy left carelessly on the floor you can be sued. My blood reaches fahrenheit 451 every time a politician asks "How can we stop crime?". FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jan 8 10:29:02 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:29:02 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301081259.MAA11713@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:59:50PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => We don't get the chance in the uK. We're constantly lied to concerning => guns in the uS and since the average citizen here's "ecperience" of US => gun crime is Hollywood movies, mythmaking is passed off as not only => fact, but analysis. I have to admit that this was my experience. Because of reporting, et al., my perception of the USA was of a place more far violent than I have found it to be. (In fact, the only gun I've ever seen in public [other than on police officers] in all the years I've been here was at a Waffle House, where a seedy looking guy in the booth behind me was twirling a Saturday Night Special around his finger to impress his girlfriend. That did not make me feel safer, for some reason.:) But then again, I live in a place that consistently makes it into national top ten lists of places to retire, so perhaps I'm living in a statistical outlier? ;-) => that the areas of the US with most guns have lower crime rates; Remember the golden rule: correlation doesn't always imply causality. The area I live in is quite rural, and has a large gun ownership due to the immense popularity of hunting. (The local schools often empty due to mass truancy at the first days of hunting season as the boys go out to bag their game.) There's also a very strong sense of community and neighbourliness (despite the sparser population density). Crime rates are low. So, is the crime rate low because of the high gun ownership, or because of the strong community spirit? If you want to advocate for guns, you'll pick the former and conveniently ignore the latter. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 10:31:47 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:01:47 +1030 Subject: off Message-ID: Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 10:39:52 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:09:52 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an interesting trend. The Japanese have banned many vaccination programmes aimed at infants because they are both seeing the adverse affects and their politicians seem to be above the blatant bribery and corruption that is so obvious in our countries. (Oz/US/uk) Supposedly we are living in an age where our medical institutions are at their peak - where the kids are sposed to be protected by vacine programs but the kids are sicker than they have been for a long time. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > On 9 Jan 2003 at 1:34, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > Spend some time in LA and just watch the news reports. I would > > believe that football kills more students in the us than guns - but > > are those stats regarding student gunshot deaths vs football deaths? > > I would imagine so. > > I think Mike was trying to say that more US kids die AT SCHOOL from sports injuries > than being shot. The Columbine-type incidents get so much publicity that people > think it's a daily occurrence... > > The stats that I have seen show that there are an > > alarming number of gunshot fatalaties in the US. > > Murder is the leading cause of death for teenage African American males in the > US... > > But then guns are > > glorified over there as well. How many movies have you seen where the > > "good guy" has gotten his revenge by scoring a weapon and blowing away > > the "bad guys." > > > > I think there should be better education, starting in school, > > regarding firearms. The laws regarding purchasing firearms should be > > strict - background checks - waiting periods - etc and that the police > > should not have to waste their resources chasing pot smokers when they > > could be directing that energy towards eradicating - or working > > towards eradicating black market weapons trade/sales etc. > > > That's the root of the problem. See, a supposed gun dealer can buy a hundred > assault rifles, and put them in storage. He can then arrange to have them 'stolen' by > an associate, and duly report the theft to the authorities, so he's in the clear. His > buddy trucks the weapons to the opposite coast, and sells them for a huge markup. > And the original 'dealer' can even claim the loss on his insurance [of course his > policy will get dropped, but then he'll have a bunch of money from the illegal sale > and the insurance claim!] And he can still buy a bunch more guns! > > One answer in the US is restricting the number of weapons an individual can buy, > and mainly, by making it harder to get a firearms dealership license. But it wouldn't > stop weapons crime either. The larger causes are sociological, I think, as Canada > has lots of guns and a lot less crime than the US... > > theo From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 8 10:39:17 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:39:17 -0500 Subject: HW: what show is this? Message-ID: I have bought from him before. He's a reliable source. 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Hawkwind in concert is always an amazing > > experience. 8 tracks. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock Productions. > 2002. > > > > or this one, too? > > > > GONG-LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM $13.95 > > Originally released as DVD. Join Daevid Allen as he leads the Pothead > Pixies > > from The Planet Gong on an eccentric journey through the Sonic Anarchy, > > which made the band such a firm favorite with a huge cult following of > > devoted fans around the world. Digitally remastered. Classic Rock > > Productions. 2002. > > > > Mark > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 10:43:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:13:35 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: The rednecks have their pistols under the seats and the rifles on gun racks inside their pick ups lol I thought about mentioning that as well about burglars who can sue you after they break into your home and trip on the kids skate board. Weird but true. I think the lawmakers must have been on the other side of the law sometime before they turned to "fight " crime. either that or they are all brain damaged from vacinations as well. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > I dont think people should be carrying firearms to go outdoors to town etc - > > but having said that - I have known woman (in america) who have avoided > > being mugged or raped because they were able to pull a gun and scare the > > attackers off long enough to get to safety. > > Well yeah, there aren't so many muggings indoors, though sadly it's far > from unknown. > > One caveat for the UK though: folks who carry to the pub definitely > ought to hand them in at the bar before being served, and pick up the > next day. > > I'm sure the muggers would get the drift though, but the risks of > drunkards probably outweigh the risks to drunkards in that case. > > How do they handle that issue in redneck towns in the US? > > > I certainly do believe that a homeowner should have the right to have a > > registered weapon for self defense and should have the right to use that > > weapon if someone breaks into their home. Not like here in Australia where > > if someone breaks into your home (even if they are armed) and you > > practically have to hand them a questionaire to determine whether or not > > they are actually breaking in with intent to harm you or just to rob you > > before you are able to defend yourself - AND EVEN THEN you still might end > > up being charged. > > That's pretty much the state of affairs here in the UK after the > Dunblane Safety At Work Act. Hell, if a home invader trips on a child's > toy left carelessly on the floor you can be sued. > > My blood reaches fahrenheit 451 every time a politician asks "How can we > stop crime?". > > FoFP > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 09:41:20 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:20 EDT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301081517.PAA16529@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2003 at 15:17, M Holmes wrote: > Similarly the UK had the right to keep and bear arms, and at one point > it was even mandatory for a man with the means to buy a gun to do so > specifically in order to prevent crime. Every infringement of this > right up through the Dunblane Act has led to higher gun crime. On its > own, that can perhaps be written off to higher crime rates generally > (but why?). In conjunction with experience of 33 US states relegalsing > and seeing crime rates fall faster than states which didn't, it raises > the very ominous question that we're pursuing exactly the opposite > strategy that we ought to be. > I don't have access to the statistics, but i'm willing to bet that those 33 states are likely of smaller population, and, more importantly, of smaller URBAN population. Primarily rural US states will have a lot of gun owners, but they will be the most responsible ones, e.g. hunters. Florida has easy access to handguns, and there are a lot of accidents each year from senior citizens being triggerhappy. I'm not wild about 70-year-olds carrying handguns, unless they're Clint Eastwood [a big gun owner in 'real life'] > The trouble with Mike Moore is that he has an axe to grind and he can > just make it up as he goes along. Some of the stats in the movie have > been hilariously debunked and he's been forced to admit that you can't > walk in to a bank, open an account, and walk out with a gun as shown > in the movie. The bank passed on a credit for a gun which had to be > obtained in the normal way after background checks. > > I find Mark Thomas amusing whereas Mike Moore seems merely irritating. > That said, I did enjoy his Pink Bus tour of Bubba country. > The best way to treat Moore is like Oliver Stone's 'political' films: enjoy them as filmmaking, and take the 'issues' with a big grain of salt... > Well, to be honest, though I'm very much in favour of well-balanced > and law-abiding citizens rights to carry for defence of themselves and > others, I'd be put in the "gun banners" category in the US because I'd > insist on training in target acquisition, law, security and safety, > with a veto going to the gun clubs doing the training if they felt > anything was amiss in the attitude of the trainee But over here, you'd be labeled a 'wierdo' if you went to join a club and DIDN'T advocate spraying the countryside with ammo! (three Scottish > clubs practically begged the Police to pull Thomas Hamilton's licence > and the Police failed to do so). > I doubt that would happen here, though... > > the analogy to Canada is an interesting one. I'd like to know what > > the per capita ownership is in Canada, and how many multiple weapon > > owners are there, also how many are licensed gun dealers... > > Per capita ownership is higher in Switzerland in the US (it's > mandatory for males to keep a gun and ammunition) while the crime rate > is lower. Right you are. But compare the education level and socio-economic state of Swiss gun owners to that in the US... > > There's something about the US all right. The places with the most > legal guns have the lowest crime rates and places which extend legal > rights see crime rates fall. The most likely explanation is that even > criminals want to live through an extended career and adjust their > behavior to achieve this. > See above. The states in the US with the most crime are those with the largest urban populations, and those are the states that don't facilitate handgun ownership. The states where crime levels are falling are also those where the population level is falling! I see it as a sociological problem here, and gun crime is an urban thing... theo From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 8 10:55:46 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:55:46 -0600 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <004501c2b72c$30533a40$41cb223f@studio> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: :Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame : :Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun :problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an :interesting trend. :The Japanese have banned many vaccination programmes aimed at infants :because they are both seeing the adverse affects and their politicians seem :to be above the blatant bribery and corruption that is so obvious in our :countries. (Oz/US/uk) :Supposedly we are living in an age where our medical institutions are at :their peak - where the kids are sposed to be protected by vacine programs :but the kids are sicker than they have been for a long time. um, Japanese politicians used to be, at least, fairly well known for being terribly corrupt, so I'm kind of doubting what you say here ;-) (Of course, I live in Chicago, also well known for being corrupt, so ymmv.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Jan 8 11:04:20 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:04:20 +0100 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Mike U.G. Holmes offers... > Per capita ownership is higher in Switzerland (than) in the US > (it's mandatory for males to keep a gun and ammunition) while the > crime rate is lower. Um...I will qualify that by saying that only male Swiss (native) citizens are required to pack heat in their homes. So far, nobody has come knocking on my door telling me to arm myself. But yes, after I was surprised to see Swiss military get on the train and store their rifles in the overhead bins, I learned from my Zurich-native colleague here that indeed they retain their weapons for life after their service is up. And that they do have this little box of ammunition that is to be only opened in case of some legitimate situation. Like Nazis marching across the border or something. Or perhaps an invasion force from Liechtenstein on sheepback, I dunno. Since the Swiss don't seem to have much influence on international politics/affairs (an understatement) apart from organizations that are *intended* to cross int'l boundaries without political concerns (i.e., Red Cross, etc.), I guess you might sum up the attitude of this place as "Speak not-at-all, and *everyone* carries a big stick. (So leave us the hell alone.)" Guns in the home here don't have much of anything to do with the kind of violence you're all talking about though. That doesn't exist here (hardly) 'cause I can't seem to find a 'slum' here, and I don't think there are any poor/forgotten people here either. But then, you really *can't* be forgotten, 'cause everyone registers with their local community as an official resident (I guess censuses (censa?) aren't necessary?) and if you get into any kind of serious financial trouble, I guess they call you into a hearing and take over management of your personal finances. That leaves 'crimes of passion,' and maybe they don't have much passion here either. :) OK, a bit of a close-to-on-topic music bit...here's an old Alien Planetscapes tape being offered on Ebay...FYI. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=935431512 Grakkl (FAA), who knows better than to go into *those* areas of certain towns like Detroit and Cleveland, unless there's a really good reason, like a space-rock concert or something. And who's never come across a problem/spooky feeling otherwise in the states, and hence is more relieved about the lack of PC-hypersensitivity about everything (from sex, to nipples (what are they?), to race, to marijuana, to...) here. And the fact that everything in the states is so darn LOUD and in-your- face...this coming from my recent 2-week visit there after 4 months away. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Jan 8 11:04:44 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:04:44 -0600 Subject: way off Message-ID: ..Organized religion is the root of all evil, IMO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: off > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 11:08:18 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:38:18 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Re; Jap politicians ..... that was just a guess. Perhaps they are being bribed by a wealthy anti vaccination group HAR HAR HAR ;-) dunno what ymmv means. Made me hungry tho for some reason. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > : > :Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun > :problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an > :interesting trend. > :The Japanese have banned many vaccination programmes aimed at infants > :because they are both seeing the adverse affects and their politicians seem > :to be above the blatant bribery and corruption that is so obvious in our > :countries. (Oz/US/uk) > :Supposedly we are living in an age where our medical institutions are at > :their peak - where the kids are sposed to be protected by vacine programs > :but the kids are sicker than they have been for a long time. > > um, Japanese politicians used to be, at least, fairly well known for > being terribly corrupt, so I'm kind of doubting what you say here ;-) > > (Of course, I live in Chicago, also well known for being corrupt, so > ymmv.) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jan 8 11:06:45 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301081517.PAA16529@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 03:17:29PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => The trouble with Mike Moore is that he has an axe to grind and he can => just make it up as he goes along. Some of the stats in the movie have => been hilariously debunked and he's been forced to admit that you can't => walk in to a bank, open an account, and walk out with a gun as shown in => the movie. The bank passed on a credit for a gun which had to be => obtained in the normal way after background checks. AFAIR, the bank in the film was also a licensed gun dealer (as stated by a clerk in the film). The gun wasn't for opening a regular checking account, but for buying a CD (certificate of deposit) from them. Basically, you got the gun not as a "freebie," but in lieu of all the interest the CD would earn over its maturation period. (They were giving you all of the interest "up front" in the form of a gun.) It was also clear in the film (at least to me) that they performed a background check (again, something stated by the clerk). FWIW, this is from the FAQ currently on Michael Moore's WWW site: >>>>> Q. Is that bank that hands out guns for real? A. Yes. North Country Bank (with branches throughout Northern Michigan) offers you a wide choice of guns when you open up a certificate of deposit account. In effect, they are giving you all of the interest the account will earn in advance in the form of a gun. The bank is also an authorized federal arms dealer so they can do the quick background check right there at the bank. I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, walked out with my new Weatherby-just as you see it in the film. (I did have a choice of getting a pair of golf clubs or a grandfather clock, but they didn't have either of those hanging on the wall like they did those three rifles). I learned about the bank's gun offer from an ad in the local paper that showed a gun across the top with the heading, "More Bang for Your Buck" from North Country Bank. I still have the account and the gun to this day (though I plan to legally "auction" off the gun for charity, and creatively have it destroyed (more on that later!). <<<<< Sure, Mike Moore probably has an axe to grind. But who doesn't? Can you say honestly that Rush Limbaugh or that O'Reilly bloke that's wildly popular give balanced coverage to the topics they cover? Not a chance! They're just blowhards that like the sound of their own voice and the cult of personality that goes with it. Just about the only place I find any chance of a level, rhetoric-free discussion of the news is on PBS, where they devote more than just soundbite coverage to news stories. (I like "60 Minutes," too.) => I find Mark Thomas amusing whereas Mike Moore seems merely irritating. I wasn't familiar with Moore's work prior to this film (though did know he was dubbed as a left-winger), and found the film interesting, enjoyable and thought-provoking (and, at times, bust-a-gut funny). I don't think it's getting very wide release (I saw it at our local "Art House" cinema; I've not seen it listed as showing at any of the Mall cineplexes), so you might have a hard time catching it yourself (saving on the irritation factor for you, no doubt:). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 11:17:25 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:47:25 +1030 Subject: way off Message-ID: once again - its the people who organise it. (or should I say - in the end - disorganise and ruin it) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:34 AM Subject: Re: way off > ..Organized religion is the root of all evil, IMO. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:31 AM > Subject: off > > > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 11:24:41 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:54:41 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: I like that idea. Everyone should be trained to use weapons properly - have a weapon and the ammunition for self defense if it is ever needed. It wouldn't hurt for people to have a graphic depiction of the damage these weapons actually cause. Most people dont realise that a simple leg wound or arm wound can be just as fatal as a head or chest wound. and its amazing to discover how ignorant most people are about guns and gunshot wounds. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Henderson Keith To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Mike U.G. Holmes offers... > > > Per capita ownership is higher in Switzerland (than) in the US > > (it's mandatory for males to keep a gun and ammunition) while the > > crime rate is lower. > > Um...I will qualify that by saying that only male Swiss (native) > citizens are required to pack heat in their homes. So far, nobody > has come knocking on my door telling me to arm myself. But yes, after > I was surprised to see Swiss military get on the train and store their > rifles in the overhead bins, I learned from my Zurich-native colleague > here that indeed they retain their weapons for life after their > service is up. And that they do have this little box of ammunition > that is to be only opened in case of some legitimate situation. > Like Nazis marching across the border or something. Or perhaps an > invasion force from Liechtenstein on sheepback, I dunno. > > Since the Swiss don't seem to have much influence on international > politics/affairs (an understatement) apart from organizations that > are *intended* to cross int'l boundaries without political concerns > (i.e., Red Cross, etc.), I guess you might sum up the attitude of > this place as "Speak not-at-all, and *everyone* carries a big stick. > (So leave us the hell alone.)" > > Guns in the home here don't have much of anything to do with the > kind of violence you're all talking about though. That doesn't > exist here (hardly) 'cause I can't seem to find a 'slum' here, and > I don't think there are any poor/forgotten people here either. > But then, you really *can't* be forgotten, 'cause everyone > registers with their local community as an official resident (I > guess censuses (censa?) aren't necessary?) and if you get into > any kind of serious financial trouble, I guess they call you into > a hearing and take over management of your personal finances. > That leaves 'crimes of passion,' and maybe they don't have much > passion here either. :) > > OK, a bit of a close-to-on-topic music bit...here's an old Alien > Planetscapes tape being offered on Ebay...FYI. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=935431512 > > Grakkl (FAA), who knows better than to go into *those* areas of certain > towns like Detroit and Cleveland, unless there's a really good reason, > like a space-rock concert or something. And who's never come across > a problem/spooky feeling otherwise in the states, and hence is more > relieved about the lack of PC-hypersensitivity about everything (from > sex, to nipples (what are they?), to race, to marijuana, to...) here. > And the fact that everything in the states is so darn LOUD and in-your- > face...this coming from my recent 2-week visit there after 4 months away. From chip at PCC.COM Wed Jan 8 11:50:36 2003 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:50:36 -0500 Subject: Immunizations In-Reply-To: <004501c2b72c$30533a40$41cb223f@studio>; from michael_1968@OZEMAIL.COM.AU on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 02:09:52AM +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun > problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an > interesting trend. This garbage is waaaay off topic, but I finally had to chime in. If people are just going to dump bs like this to BOC-L, I'm going to offer a little reality. I work with pediatricians for a living and while it's clear that the science of immunizations has improved over the years, the *overwhelming majority* of anti-imms data - like the above - has been debunked. The immunization "debate" is one of the best examples of "anecdote vs. data" and "emotion vs. fact" I've seen. I mean, doesn't ANYONE see the absurdity of the comment above? Tying gun control issues into immunization information - what a riot. Care for me to correlate "gun problems" with Internet Access or something like that? Yeesh. If you want a brief and limited overview of the anti-vaccine crowd, head to places like: http://pages.ivillage.com/vaccinesupport http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htm http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/anti-immune.htm http://www.geocities.com/issues_in_immunization/fearmongers/opposition_to_immunization.htm ...and much more. In a nutshell: unless your scientific "data" comes from a peer reviewed source (i.e., _real_ doctors and _real_ scientists), it's probably not reputable now is it? Have you ever seen or HEARD someone with whooping cough? Know anyone with Polio? Unless, of course, there's a Great Big Conspiracy going around that we're all missing. -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 11:54:47 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:54:47 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:54:41 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > I like that idea. Everyone should be trained to use weapons properly > - have a weapon and the ammunition for self defense if it is ever > needed. It wouldn't hurt for people to have a graphic depiction of > the damage these weapons actually cause. Most people dont realise > that a simple leg wound or arm wound can be just as fatal as a head or > chest wound. and its amazing to discover how ignorant most people are > about guns and gunshot wounds. It certainly couldn't hurt for Hollywood to get realistic on street gun use in the way that Band of Brothers got for the effects of warfare. Better still, they could have the hero use logic and reasonable discussion to solve problems. Of course it'd me much harder to write drama based on this than on a shootout and the evidence is against IQ exceeding shoe size there, so I'm not holding my breath on that one either. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 12:10:59 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:40:59 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: You haven't been following the conversation. Previous emails etc.... Even the Dr's who hand out the drugs/vaccines dont know everything about the documented side effects. This is documented by the fact that these Dr's are telling patients the drugs/vaccines are 100% safe when the studies and warnings say otherwise. I was refering to infants who are brain damaged (however slightly) from vaccines and certain prescribed drugs who grow up with all the violent images etc ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hart To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: Immunizations > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun > > problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an > > interesting trend. > > This garbage is waaaay off topic, but I finally had to chime in. > If people are just going to dump bs like this to BOC-L, I'm > going to offer a little reality. > > I work with pediatricians for a living and while it's clear that > the science of immunizations has improved over the years, the > *overwhelming majority* of anti-imms data - like the above - has > been debunked. The immunization "debate" is one of the best > examples of "anecdote vs. data" and "emotion vs. fact" I've > seen. > > I mean, doesn't ANYONE see the absurdity of the comment above? > Tying gun control issues into immunization information - what a > riot. Care for me to correlate "gun problems" with Internet > Access or something like that? Yeesh. > > If you want a brief and limited overview of the anti-vaccine > crowd, head to places like: > > http://pages.ivillage.com/vaccinesupport > http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htm > http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/anti-immune.htm > http://www.geocities.com/issues_in_immunization/fearmongers/opposition_to_im munization.htm > > ...and much more. > > In a nutshell: unless your scientific "data" comes from a peer > reviewed source (i.e., _real_ doctors and _real_ scientists), > it's probably not reputable now is it? > > Have you ever seen or HEARD someone with whooping cough? Know > anyone with Polio? > > Unless, of course, there's a Great Big Conspiracy going around > that we're all missing. > -- > Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 12:14:20 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:44:20 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Alot of people think you get shot and the next day you have a bandage on it and you are fine. Like - they can just shoot someone a little bit. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:24 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > I like that idea. Everyone should be trained to use weapons properly > > - have a weapon and the ammunition for self defense if it is ever > > needed. It wouldn't hurt for people to have a graphic depiction of > > the damage these weapons actually cause. Most people dont realise > > that a simple leg wound or arm wound can be just as fatal as a head or > > chest wound. and its amazing to discover how ignorant most people are > > about guns and gunshot wounds. > > It certainly couldn't hurt for Hollywood to get realistic on street gun > use in the way that Band of Brothers got for the effects of warfare. > > Better still, they could have the hero use logic and reasonable > discussion to solve problems. Of course it'd me much harder to write > drama based on this than on a shootout and the evidence is against IQ > exceeding shoe size there, so I'm not holding my breath on that one > either. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 13:38:14 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 05:08:14 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: false advertising as well. people still contract the diseases they have been injected for..... so to say those people have been immunized is false advertising. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hart To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: Immunizations > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > Just correlate the stats regarding child vaccination programs vs gun > > problems over the past thirty years in any country and you will see an > > interesting trend. > > This garbage is waaaay off topic, but I finally had to chime in. > If people are just going to dump bs like this to BOC-L, I'm > going to offer a little reality. > > I work with pediatricians for a living and while it's clear that > the science of immunizations has improved over the years, the > *overwhelming majority* of anti-imms data - like the above - has > been debunked. The immunization "debate" is one of the best > examples of "anecdote vs. data" and "emotion vs. fact" I've > seen. > > I mean, doesn't ANYONE see the absurdity of the comment above? > Tying gun control issues into immunization information - what a > riot. Care for me to correlate "gun problems" with Internet > Access or something like that? Yeesh. > > If you want a brief and limited overview of the anti-vaccine > crowd, head to places like: > > http://pages.ivillage.com/vaccinesupport > http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htm > http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/anti-immune.htm > http://www.geocities.com/issues_in_immunization/fearmongers/opposition_to_im munization.htm > > ...and much more. > > In a nutshell: unless your scientific "data" comes from a peer > reviewed source (i.e., _real_ doctors and _real_ scientists), > it's probably not reputable now is it? > > Have you ever seen or HEARD someone with whooping cough? Know > anyone with Polio? > > Unless, of course, there's a Great Big Conspiracy going around > that we're all missing. > -- > Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 13:44:04 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:44:04 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:44:20 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > Alot of people think you get shot and the next day you have a bandage on it > and you are fine. Like - they can just shoot someone a little bit. I have to admit the opposite: I was quite surprised that shootings in the US are fatal less than 50% of the time. I was positively stunned when I read Lott and Kleck on defensive gun use and discovered that guns in defensive use in the US are fired less than 2% of the estimated 1.5 million times they're used to prevent crime and hit someone less than half the times they're fired. Assuming that even half the time it's an innocent that's shot and killed, that's 1.5 million crimes stopped for innocent fatalities in less than a quarter of a percent of incidents. So while we're fed the story of the US being a more or less continuous armed shootout zone that would make the Lebanon seem like a library, the real story is of a kind of armed anti-crime spree without the bullets. To some extent Hollywood is more real than newspaper reporting. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 13:45:06 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:45:06 GMT Subject: Immunizations In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 05:08:14 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > false advertising as well. people still contract the diseases they have been > injected for..... so to say those people have been immunized is false > advertising. Yeah, I once got a headache after taking aspirin. Mind you, I had it beforehand. That's why I took the aspirin. FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jan 8 13:28:42 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:28:42 EST Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2003 10:24:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Murder is the leading cause of death for teenage African American males in the US... >> The majority of which are directly related to the illicit drug business! Draw your own conclusons. bill From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 12:58:49 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:58:49 EDT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301081844.SAA25979@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2003 at 18:44, M Holmes wrote: > So while we're fed the story of the US being a more or less continuous > armed shootout zone that would make the Lebanon seem like a library, > the real story is of a kind of armed anti-crime spree without the > bullets. > Excellent point. I live in an old, decayed, rustbelt city with a population around 150K [metro area more than twice that] full of unemployment and no hope of a decent job for a local kid, and gun crime here is ridiculously low. You'd think this place would be a breeding ground for gun crime. And, although there is some gang activity, and we get about 10 murders a year, this is a relatively safe place to live. Sounds a lot safer than the Scotland you describe! theo From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Jan 8 14:30:16 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:30:16 -0700 Subject: OFF: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <20030108160645.GE13298@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Bowling for Columbine showed at a mall-plex here in Santa Fe. We're not the norm with 2 dozen screens for a community of 60,000+/-. In fact, the artist Andrew Goldsworthy film "Time and Tides" is currently held over for the 16th week! Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:07 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame big snip> ... I don't think it's getting very wide release (I saw it at our local "Art House" cinema; I've not seen it listed as showing at any of the Mall cineplexes), so you might have a hard time catching it yourself (saving on the irritation factor for you, no doubt:). Cheers, Paul. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 14:38:10 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:08:10 +1030 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: wicked - respeK! ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > Alot of people think you get shot and the next day you have a bandage on it > > and you are fine. Like - they can just shoot someone a little bit. > > I have to admit the opposite: I was quite surprised that shootings in > the US are fatal less than 50% of the time. I was positively stunned > when I read Lott and Kleck on defensive gun use and discovered that guns > in defensive use in the US are fired less than 2% of the estimated 1.5 > million times they're used to prevent crime and hit someone less than > half the times they're fired. > > Assuming that even half the time it's an innocent that's shot and > killed, that's 1.5 million crimes stopped for innocent fatalities in > less than a quarter of a percent of incidents. > > So while we're fed the story of the US being a more or less continuous > armed shootout zone that would make the Lebanon seem like a library, the > real story is of a kind of armed anti-crime spree without the bullets. > > To some extent Hollywood is more real than newspaper reporting. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 14:43:08 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:13:08 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: Thats right - asprin is crap too but better for you than paracetamol. Paracetamol will actually - in the long term - cause more headaches as your liver gets trashed. Check out the expiry dates on "vaccination" batches when they are promoting the next "epidemic" and you will no doubt find that the "vaccine" is nearing its expiry date. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Immunizations > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > false advertising as well. people still contract the diseases they have been > > injected for..... so to say those people have been immunized is false > > advertising. > > Yeah, I once got a headache after taking aspirin. > > Mind you, I had it beforehand. That's why I took the aspirin. > > FoFP > From chip at PCC.COM Wed Jan 8 15:56:24 2003 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:56:24 -0500 Subject: Immunizations In-Reply-To: <000d01c2b74e$2bbc7ba0$a9d0223f@studio>; from michael_1968@OZEMAIL.COM.AU on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 06:13:08AM +1030 Message-ID: My last comments on this subject, as the URLs I provided later refer to the kind of behavior we're witnessing here. No physician I've ever worked with (and I've met 1000s over the last 10+ years) EVER says that a) imms are completely safe or b) completely effective. Never. Ever. Blue Skin: >people still contract the diseases they have been >injected for..... Yes, sometimes. And, people who don't benefit from herd immunity *OFTEN* contract the diseases they have not been immunized against (not all immunizations are injections, btw, but you knew that). Tell me - do you know how many African children will not live to see their 5th birthdays *THIS YEAR* due to death from immunization-preventable-diseases? [Hint: it's in the multiple-hundred-thousand range.] >Check out the expiry dates on "vaccination" batches when they are promoting >the next "epidemic" and you will no doubt find that the "vaccine" is nearing >its expiry date. Hmmm. I write software that helps track this kind of thing and I'm willing to wager that I've done a *lot* more work looking at immunizations (from reimbursement in the US to treatment patterns) than you and everyone you know combined and... You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Wow. With comments like this, I now know you're trolling. This is my last response on this subject. -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 16:52:19 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:22:19 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hart To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Immunizations > My last comments on this subject, as the URLs I provided later > refer to the kind of behavior we're witnessing here. No > physician I've ever worked with (and I've met 1000s over the > last 10+ years) EVER says that a) imms are completely safe or > b) completely effective. Never. Ever. I have medical pamphlets that say otherwise - > Blue Skin: > >people still contract the diseases they have been > >injected for..... > > Yes, sometimes. And, people who don't benefit from herd > immunity *OFTEN* contract the diseases they have not been > immunized against (not all immunizations are injections, btw, > but you knew that). Yes I did know - they have other methods. I will revert to the term vaccine instead of immunisation because immunisation is a false description. Have the US pharmaceutical companies been forced to ban their mercury based vaccines yet? Last I heard they had refused because they would lose out on alot of money if they destroyed all those batches that are documented to cause brain damage and is directly linked to ADD in young children. This was in the public news forum not long ago. America is having an epedemic of vaccinated children with ADD and degrees of brain trauma after recieving mercury based vaccination. > Tell me - do you know how many African children will not live to > see their 5th birthdays *THIS YEAR* due to death from > immunization-preventable-diseases? [Hint: it's in the > multiple-hundred-thousand range.] the reason for their suffering is their poor sanitation etc. Just like our own countries of many years ago - hygeine and improved sanitation is the reason all the diseases thought to be contained by vaccine were halted not the vaccines. If you look at the stats you will see that polio was quickly dyieng out before the vaccines were introduced. After introduction of the vaccine there was a sharp increase in polio related cases death etc and then it dipped again. Pharmaceutical companies show the stats at the point some time after the vaccines were introduced - they don't display the actual time the vaccine was introduced. > >Check out the expiry dates on "vaccination" batches when they are promoting > >the next "epidemic" and you will no doubt find that the "vaccine" is nearing > >its expiry date. > > Hmmm. I write software that helps track this kind of thing and > I'm willing to wager that I've done a *lot* more work looking > at immunizations (from reimbursement in the US to treatment > patterns) than you and everyone you know combined and... > > You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Wow. > > With comments like this, I now know you're trolling. This is my > last response on this subject. Yes and we all know - those who have children who have had adverse vaccine reactions - that the medical Doctors ALWAYS report an honest and accurate detail of what happened. No - actually - im the majority of the cases the Dr's refuse to admit that an adverse reaction could have been caused by the vaccine. If something is not reported and documented then how can an accurate study be taken - how can I be expected to believe the data you pop into your software is accurate. You would be well aware of the fact that when America bans a bad batch of vaccine for their own people they quickly ship the bad batch out to third world countries where it has not yet been banned and you wouldn't be surprised to learn that they have also shipped the bad batches to our indigenous people in Australia. yes, I have friends - medics who have worked out in the sticks trying to help the australian aboriginal folk - watched them become sick and die. But it gets covered up and they simply send out a new and improved vaccine. > > > > -- > Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices > From chip at PCC.COM Wed Jan 8 16:13:48 2003 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:13:48 -0500 Subject: Immunizations In-Reply-To: <20030108155623.E101722@pcc.com>; from chip@PCC.COM on Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 03:56:24PM -0500 Message-ID: Chip Hart wrote: > My last comments on this subject, as the URLs I provided later ...er, "earlier." Sorry. I must be over-immunized. -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 17:00:55 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:30:55 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: :) Lots of toxic stuff in those things - as stated by an Army medical Doctor (and a captain) "Don't squeeze the bump that will come up otherwise you'll just end up with a load of toxic substance running down your arm." The obvious thought passed thru my mind and...... I couldn't keep my mouth shut for an Army Captain either..... ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hart To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Immunizations > Chip Hart wrote: > > My last comments on this subject, as the URLs I provided later > > ...er, "earlier." Sorry. I must be over-immunized. > > -- > Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 16:20:54 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:50:54 +1030 Subject: Immunizations Message-ID: The only emotional responses seem to be coming from you, sir. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hart To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Immunizations > My last comments on this subject, as the URLs I provided later > refer to the kind of behavior we're witnessing here. No > physician I've ever worked with (and I've met 1000s over the > last 10+ years) EVER says that a) imms are completely safe or > b) completely effective. Never. Ever. > > Blue Skin: > >people still contract the diseases they have been > >injected for..... > > Yes, sometimes. And, people who don't benefit from herd > immunity *OFTEN* contract the diseases they have not been > immunized against (not all immunizations are injections, btw, > but you knew that). > > Tell me - do you know how many African children will not live to > see their 5th birthdays *THIS YEAR* due to death from > immunization-preventable-diseases? [Hint: it's in the > multiple-hundred-thousand range.] > > >Check out the expiry dates on "vaccination" batches when they are promoting > >the next "epidemic" and you will no doubt find that the "vaccine" is nearing > >its expiry date. > > Hmmm. I write software that helps track this kind of thing and > I'm willing to wager that I've done a *lot* more work looking > at immunizations (from reimbursement in the US to treatment > patterns) than you and everyone you know combined and... > > You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Wow. > > With comments like this, I now know you're trolling. This is my > last response on this subject. > > > > -- > Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 8 17:41:11 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:41:11 -0000 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: > I remember the controversy when RtD came out. IIRC, was it not to do with > some chap, who, when approached by officials trying to forcibly evict him > from his house, pulled a gun and shot one of them ? (my memory is a little > hazy) I went down to Newcastle to do some checking up on this when it happened. It is a deeply sad story that ended in the death of a man who tried to be fair, open and honest and who paid for it with his life. This event has left a deeply distasteful memory for me and a sense of wrongness in every aspect of it. The newspaper reports make it clear that there is considerable uncertainty about the details behind the story but whatever the problems that led up to it, Harry Collinson did not deserve to die and I think we should commemorate him, the everyday person doing a job like us, living a life like us, trying to help and not hurt another. He was the victim. He was the hero and it is he who deserves our sympathy and he is the one I always try to remember out of this - not his killer. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 8 17:56:12 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:56:12 EST Subject: way off Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:05:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > ..Organized religion is the root of all evil, IMO. > > <> > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > Organized religious people with money! Bastards, every one of 'em!! Joe From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Jan 8 18:34:28 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:34:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dig this antitrust suit against the industry Message-ID: This was sent to the Mikewatt mailing list, and given the amount of CDs this list owns collectively... you get the point. http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm It seems legit. Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 14:37:55 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:37:55 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:58:49 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Excellent point. I live in an old, decayed, rustbelt city with a > population around 150K [metro area more than twice that] full of > unemployment and no hope of a decent job for a local kid, and gun > crime here is ridiculously low. You'd think this place would be a > breeding ground for gun crime. And, although there is some gang > activity, and we get about 10 murders a year, this is a relatively > safe place to live. Sounds a lot safer than the Scotland you > describe! To be fair, Scotland as yet tops world leagues only in murder by knife. Still, we're double England's homicide rate more or less and as ours rises and the US's falls, we should be ahead of you on homicide some time before the decade is out. We already have you beat nine ways from Sunday on other violent crime and burglary, as does England. The idea that the US is more dangerous than Britain is laughable for anyone not involved in the retail of recreational pharmaceuticals. Even the Home Office had to concede that one recently, though it didn't make the newspapers. FoFP From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jan 8 18:57:52 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:57:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this year. If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty soon. Our main question is: If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders only this time? For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht m MISSION CONTROL www.hawkwind.com ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jan 8 19:26:06 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:26:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dig this antitrust suit against the industry In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030108183428.006927c4@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:34:28PM -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: => This was sent to the Mikewatt mailing list, and given => the amount of CDs this list owns collectively... => you get the point. => => http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm => => It seems legit. I saw a full page ad for this in a recent issue of a mainstream magazine (_People_, IIRC), so I would concur about it seeming legit. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Jan 8 19:32:20 2003 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:32:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200301082357.SAA22597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Yee-Haaaaar! Absolutely, definitely and completely interested in a return visit. Not sure about the passport holders bit though; Personally I would prefer to keep it to passport holders qnd their guests only but maybe I'm being selfish. I'd almost certainly want to keep the numbers down to 1000 max. (exacly how many did attend last years bash) as this would mean there is plenty of space(!) for all and one of the great things about last year was the lack of claustrophobia which made me give up going to festivals. One last thing - please, please, please get better crapping arrangements. I'm definitely taking a shovel this year though just in case! Horse On 8 Jan 2003 at 18:57, Rik Rx wrote: > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > year. > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty > soon. > > Our main question is: > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > only this time? > > For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > m > > MISSION CONTROL > www.hawkwind.com > > ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Jan 8 19:29:26 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:29:26 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Of course,if they stopped making all the cheap guns,they wouldn't be so easy to get. tim 8>)... Ted Jackson wrote: > > On 6 Jan 2003 at 17:37, M Holmes wrote: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2631401.stm > > > > Summary: every time in the past 100 years that gun laws in the UK have > > been tightened, gun crime has increased. Politicians need someone to > > blame other than themselves and so... > > > You'd think the rest of the world would have the sense to learn from the multiple > mistakes we Americans have made regarding firearms. Gun crime increases > because the criminals know that there is a smaller likelihood that an honest > citizen > will now have a gun to defend his house. And, making guns illegal doesn't stop > criminals from getting them, as outlaws already have criminal records and can't > buy > them legally anyway! So the law doesn't change the procurement means for > criminals, just honest folks! > > theo From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Jan 8 19:33:44 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:33:44 -0500 Subject: off Message-ID: Ahhh...and i thought evil was the root of all evil... tim 8>)... Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 19:35:06 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:35:06 GMT Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > year. > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty > soon. If you build it I will come. Definitely. I worked over xmas to save the leave for it. > Our main question is: > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > only this time? There's something to be said for making it mainly for the the fans. Certainly I wouldn't want to see it as commercial as Glastonbury has become nor as awfully rock'n'burgers as Reading. The Hawkwind fan community by and large know each other and are a community in the real sense and diluting that too far in a festival would make it lose something special. That said, clearly we need enough people so that the bands can be paid and the stallholders make a living. That amounts to more than last time. I'm sure that with one success behind us we can attract more of the dedicated fans. However the net will probably have to go at least a little further than that. Certainly let's extend it to family and friends of passport holders and those Hawkwind fans who aren't yet passport holders. It'd also be reasonable to get in folks from the rest of the spacerock community. I think just opening it right up to a public festival would risk diluting it too far. That can be mitigated by choice of bands being kept to Hawkwind related and spacerock but while we should extend the attendee base, I think we should think carefully about how to do that rather than just advertise to the general public. I know from experience that the wrong crowd can pretty easily break a festival and the band have more than enough similar experience with the likes of the Brew Crew. I know that there was an issue between keeping it to a similar remit to last time or going in with a more general festival. I'm very much for the former. Keep it Hawk-related, but yes, let's extend the fanbase. Moving it geographically closer to Bristol than Exeter might encourage more folks to travel. Beer was a great area of the country, but not exactly easy to get to for those far from the South. Could we have comment from the bands and organisers about how many we need to make this work without anyone losing their shirts? Then take into account having enough loos etc for that number and recalculate? Once we have a ballpark figure for that, we know how much further we need to extend it. >From my own long experience of rock festivals, once you get past 5000 you lose the sense of community and it becomes something else. Hopefully we're not talking that kind of number? And thanks to all concerned for the last one and for being prepared to host this rabble again ;-) FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 19:41:30 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:11:30 +1030 Subject: off Message-ID: we are the angels and the demons - mwa hahhaha cup of tea? ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: off > Ahhh...and i thought evil was the root of all evil... > tim 8>)... > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Jan 8 19:42:58 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:42:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dig this antitrust suit against the industry Message-ID: Actually,this is legit,i there was a page in our newspaper about this,and i've been meaning to file. thanx for the reminder,now i've done it tim 8>)... Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > This was sent to the Mikewatt mailing list, and given > the amount of CDs this list owns collectively... > you get the point. > > http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm > > It seems legit. > > Jason From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 8 20:15:44 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:45:44 +1030 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: but it should be in australia - otherwise mmmmm ummmmmm it just should be hear ;-) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > Rik Rx writes: > > > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > > year. > > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty > > soon. > > If you build it I will come. Definitely. I worked over xmas to save the > leave for it. > > > Our main question is: > > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > > only this time? > > There's something to be said for making it mainly for the the fans. > Certainly I wouldn't want to see it as commercial as Glastonbury has > become nor as awfully rock'n'burgers as Reading. The Hawkwind fan > community by and large know each other and are a community in the real > sense and diluting that too far in a festival would make it lose > something special. > > That said, clearly we need enough people so that the bands can be paid > and the stallholders make a living. That amounts to more than last time. > I'm sure that with one success behind us we can attract more of the > dedicated fans. However the net will probably have to go at least a > little further than that. Certainly let's extend it to family and > friends of passport holders and those Hawkwind fans who aren't yet > passport holders. It'd also be reasonable to get in folks from the rest > of the spacerock community. > > I think just opening it right up to a public festival would risk > diluting it too far. That can be mitigated by choice of bands being kept > to Hawkwind related and spacerock but while we should extend the > attendee base, I think we should think carefully about how to do that > rather than just advertise to the general public. I know from experience > that the wrong crowd can pretty easily break a festival and the band > have more than enough similar experience with the likes of the Brew Crew. > > I know that there was an issue between keeping it to a similar remit to > last time or going in with a more general festival. I'm very much for > the former. Keep it Hawk-related, but yes, let's extend the fanbase. > Moving it geographically closer to Bristol than Exeter might encourage > more folks to travel. Beer was a great area of the country, but not > exactly easy to get to for those far from the South. > > Could we have comment from the bands and organisers about how many we > need to make this work without anyone losing their shirts? Then take > into account having enough loos etc for that number and recalculate? > > Once we have a ballpark figure for that, we know how much further we > need to extend it. > > From my own long experience of rock festivals, once you get past 5000 you > lose the sense of community and it becomes something else. Hopefully > we're not talking that kind of number? > > And thanks to all concerned for the last one and for being prepared to > host this rabble again ;-) > > FoFP From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Jan 8 20:54:32 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:54:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I already said "yes" on the Yahoo group but please count this as an additional vote in favour. Although I previously said yes to non-passport holders on the grounds of improving the financial viability of the fest, Mike and Horse both raise very good points in favour of keeping it as it was. I think Mike has hit on the ideal solution, sell tickets to passport holders, friends and family only, i.e. anyone can buy a ticket but you need to be accompanied by a passport holder to get in. Last year I estimate numbers were approx 500, this could easily be doubled and still retain the intimate atmosphere. Steve From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Jan 9 03:43:01 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:43:01 +0000 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: Mike Holmes wrote : Better still, they could have the hero use logic and reasonable discussion to solve problems. Hollywood allready has done this - Basil Rathbone on excellent form as Sherlock Holmes, as repeated over the xmas hols on BBC :o) So I expect Hollywood to remake them, with Bruce Willis as the master sleuth, packing an uzi :o( From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 9 05:39:54 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:39:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I AM VERY KEEN THAT THE FEST IS ON AGAIN THIS YEAR. THERE IS NOW A DEARTH OF THIS TYPE OF FESTIVAL WHILST AT THE SAME TIME I BELIEVE THERE IS QUITE A DEMAND. THE CATCHMENT NET MAY NEED TO BE WIDENED WE ALREADY HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS-FRIENDS OF PASSPORT HOLDERS, FAMILY ETC. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I AND MY FRIENDS HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE BIG CHILL FEST AT LARMER TREE SINCE IT BEGAN 6 YEARS AGO. IT HAS GONE GRADUALLY MORE COMMERCIAL UNTIL WE NO LONGER WISH TO GO THIS YEAR. I HAVE SPOKEN TO OTHERS WHO ARE OF THE SAME MIND. FUNNILY ENUF WE PICKED THIS FEST BECAUSE THE MAINSTREAM ONES JUST DID NOT CATER FOR OUR TASTES ETC. PITY HAWKFEST DID NOT START THEN. MY FESTI FRIENDS TOTAL ABOUT 15 PEOPLE -ALL INTO GONG HAWKWIND ASTRALASIA ETC AND ALL ARE VERY KEEN ON THE HAWKFEST 2003 IDEA. IF ENOUGH PASSPORT HOLDERS AND ALLIES SPREAD THE WORD THEN I AM SURE WE CAN GET SUFFUCIENT NUMBERS TO MAKE IT VIABLE. A MAIN PROBLEM I CAN SEE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING NEED TO KNOW MONTHS BEFORE IF AND WHEN IT IS ON SO THAT THEY CAN BOOK TIME OFF AT WORK (AND IT DOES NOT CLASH WITH OTHER HOLIDAY COMMITMENTS) A PROBLEM WITH HAWKFEST LAST YEAR WAS LACK OF PROPER PUBLICITY OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE PRONTO. SO, LETS GET IT ON AND IF WE CANNOT GET ENUF PEOPLE TO GO BETWEEN US, TOGETHER WITH THE RIGHT PUBLICITY, (WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS) IT'S A 'BAD DO'. >From: Cpt Blue Skin >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:45:44 +1030 > >but it should be in australia - otherwise mmmmm ummmmmm >it just should be hear ;-) > >------------------------------------------------ >Cpt Blue Skin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: M Holmes >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:05 AM >Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > > > > Rik Rx writes: > > > > > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > > > > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > > > > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest >this > > > year. > > > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it >pretty > > > soon. > > > > If you build it I will come. Definitely. I worked over xmas to save the > > leave for it. > > > > > Our main question is: > > > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport >holders > > > only this time? > > > > There's something to be said for making it mainly for the the fans. > > Certainly I wouldn't want to see it as commercial as Glastonbury has > > become nor as awfully rock'n'burgers as Reading. The Hawkwind fan > > community by and large know each other and are a community in the real > > sense and diluting that too far in a festival would make it lose > > something special. > > > > That said, clearly we need enough people so that the bands can be paid > > and the stallholders make a living. That amounts to more than last time. > > I'm sure that with one success behind us we can attract more of the > > dedicated fans. However the net will probably have to go at least a > > little further than that. Certainly let's extend it to family and > > friends of passport holders and those Hawkwind fans who aren't yet > > passport holders. It'd also be reasonable to get in folks from the rest > > of the spacerock community. > > > > I think just opening it right up to a public festival would risk > > diluting it too far. That can be mitigated by choice of bands being kept > > to Hawkwind related and spacerock but while we should extend the > > attendee base, I think we should think carefully about how to do that > > rather than just advertise to the general public. I know from experience > > that the wrong crowd can pretty easily break a festival and the band > > have more than enough similar experience with the likes of the Brew >Crew. > > > > I know that there was an issue between keeping it to a similar remit to > > last time or going in with a more general festival. I'm very much for > > the former. Keep it Hawk-related, but yes, let's extend the fanbase. > > Moving it geographically closer to Bristol than Exeter might encourage > > more folks to travel. Beer was a great area of the country, but not > > exactly easy to get to for those far from the South. > > > > Could we have comment from the bands and organisers about how many we > > need to make this work without anyone losing their shirts? Then take > > into account having enough loos etc for that number and recalculate? > > > > Once we have a ballpark figure for that, we know how much further we > > need to extend it. > > > > From my own long experience of rock festivals, once you get past 5000 >you > > lose the sense of community and it becomes something else. Hopefully > > we're not talking that kind of number? > > > > And thanks to all concerned for the last one and for being prepared to > > host this rabble again ;-) > > > > FoFP _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Jan 9 05:46:09 2003 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 05:46:09 EST Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: Yes, A summer fest would be brilliant. Not too worried about it being just Passport holders ( nice and personal but it wont pay for the bands). What about a Cricket St Thomas sized festie That was cracking Regards iain From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 07:50:46 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:50:46 GMT Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: Steve Youles's message of Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: Steve Youles writes: > I already said "yes" on the Yahoo group but please count this as an > additional vote in favour. > > Although I previously said yes to non-passport holders on the grounds of > improving the financial viability of the fest, Mike and Horse both raise > very good points in favour of keeping it as it was. I think Mike has hit > on the ideal solution, sell tickets to passport holders, friends and family > only, i.e. anyone can buy a ticket but you need to be accompanied by a > passport holder to get in. Technically we had that this year. I'd go a little further and extend the invite around the spacerock community. Let the Gong folks know for example and also pass the word around the Science Fiction community (maybe even get an outside cinema screen after curfew?) We won't get a lot extra that way, but we'll get a few and they'll be interesting folks. Basically the idea would be to pass the word through the likeminded but not advertise openly to the public (not sure a licence would be easy if this were done anyway). > Last year I estimate numbers were approx 500, this could easily be doubled > and still retain the intimate atmosphere. Yep, the first Glasto had 1000 and that certainly looked like fun in the movie. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 07:53:04 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:53:04 GMT Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:43:01 +0000 Message-ID: Neil Shilladay writes: > Mike Holmes wrote : > Better still, they could have the hero use logic and reasonable > discussion to solve problems. > > Hollywood allready has done this - Basil Rathbone on excellent form as > Sherlock Holmes, as repeated over the xmas hols on BBC :o) > So I expect Hollywood to remake them, with Bruce Willis as the master > sleuth, packing an uzi :o( It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with the remake of Tarkovsky's "Solaris". That's a very cerebral film. A remake could produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into Event Horizon II. As ever, I'm not holding my breath. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Jan 9 08:03:45 2003 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:03:45 +0000 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > A remake could > produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into > Event Horizon II. Oooh, that hurt... From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 9 08:03:47 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:03:47 -0500 Subject: Administrative Announcement from the Owner and Co-Mods of Neo-Quark Message-ID: >From the owner and mods of the Neo-Quark Group: As you all know by now Hawkwind has formally requested via the Mission Control page that all of us stop the recording and trading of Hawkwind live shows. As fans of Hawkwind and after much discussion between us we have decided to support this request. Henceforth please refrain from offering trades, trees, chains and weeds of Hawkwind material. For reasons yet unexplained Hawkwind has decided that trading is not in their best interest. Although we disagree wholeheartedly with this sentiment we will abide by the bands' request. We would like this group to continue as a "blanga" or Spacerock trading group. There are still many groups out there, some of which are Hawkwind ex members, whom support recording and trading as a way of getting their music out to their fans. If you as a member of Neo-Quark do not feel that you can support this decision, we encourage you to unsubscribe to this group. Although we cannot stop private trading we will condone no public Hawkwind trading on this forum. We sincerely hope that you will remain a member of Neo-Quark and continue to trade the fantastic SpaceRock and related bands that are still out there. Best regards Mike Montfort signed by: Bryan owner Mike Bernhard Stephe co-mods And many other contributors. ________________________________ A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to. -- Granville Hicks ________________________________ I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them their jobs. -- Samuel Goldwyn From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 9 08:06:59 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:06:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I will go again. From a festival goers point of view I agree with Steve on the passport holders, friends and family. I think the fact of the people attending being fans contributes to the atmosphere as well as the small numbers. Also agree that if you doubled last years attendance you could still retain the atmosphere. I thought that Canterbury 2001 also had a good atmosphere although I don't know the numbers in attendance there. Regards, Alastair. On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:54:32 -0500, Steve Youles wrote: >I already said "yes" on the Yahoo group but please count this as an >additional vote in favour. > >Although I previously said yes to non-passport holders on the grounds of >improving the financial viability of the fest, Mike and Horse both raise >very good points in favour of keeping it as it was. I think Mike has hit >on the ideal solution, sell tickets to passport holders, friends and family >only, i.e. anyone can buy a ticket but you need to be accompanied by a >passport holder to get in. > >Last year I estimate numbers were approx 500, this could easily be doubled >and still retain the intimate atmosphere. > >Steve From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 08:25:08 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:25:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: My 4 penneth..... Having gone to the Hawkfest last year I would have to say "yes" to a 'repeat performance'... met some great people, had a ball!! As for the site, great location, lovely views, tent peggable ground... actually thought the place could have catered for at least a couple of thousand more 'punters', it seemed a little sparse at times in the main arena... which was a shame for the performers? Also at night a larger crowd would provide a bigger huddle to keep out the cold! I don't think you would lose the intimacy/fun factor ..... As for 'passport holders only' I felt what, to a certain extent, was missing from the Fest were the ordinary Hawkwind fans, the ones I meet at the gigs, not all of whom have internet access, not to mention 'passports'. In fact I know a lot of people who have expressed an interest in the festival, who had absolutely no idea that it was an event last year... real fans who have been following Hawkwind for years (bought all the albums, didn't even know HW still do live gigs).... they were the spirit of HW past... to exclude them is bordering on criminal. I don't know how you go about advertising to attract the 'core' fans of yore but it's a poser for the organisers? Maybe a solution is to 'reserve' a certain amount of tickets for PP holders and sell the remaining 1000's to Joe Public. Double the size of the 'cafe' ( a great place to 'chill' perched on wooden tree stumps) & get me (and I hear the roadies screaming for..) a meat eating burger stall, gotta keep the strength up & loathe to get too involved with trying to cook & get drunk simultaneously. With a few more punters you would, of course have to provide more (as someone so eloquently put) 'crapping' facilities. Infact based on last year I would say that we could have done with 2 x the amount of toilets for the same number. Not that I minded sneaking off into the bushes in the top field when the portaloos became unsavoury... I was not alone (except at the crucial moment of course). I will start saving now (the latest crop of shrooms are poking their little heads out of the fertilizer.....) :-) Maxine Always willing to express an opinion. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 08:04:49 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:34:49 +1030 Subject: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: With the advance notice of this event I would imagine the turn out to this summer camp will be exellent. This ought to be filmed and recorded with Dave Brock having total control over the final product. I can see it all so clearly. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Once again music gets the blame > Neil Shilladay writes: > > > Mike Holmes wrote : > > Better still, they could have the hero use logic and reasonable > > discussion to solve problems. > > > > Hollywood allready has done this - Basil Rathbone on excellent form as > > Sherlock Holmes, as repeated over the xmas hols on BBC :o) > > So I expect Hollywood to remake them, with Bruce Willis as the master > > sleuth, packing an uzi :o( > > It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with the remake of > Tarkovsky's "Solaris". That's a very cerebral film. A remake could > produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into > Event Horizon II. > > As ever, I'm not holding my breath. > > FoFP From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 09:18:09 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:18:09 +1100 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I agree whole-heartedly with the guy with the blue skin.... but unfortunately you mention Hawkwind down here & most people ask if it's the name of a boat or horse. The worst part is that my wife wouldn't let me call my daughter Hawkwind or Magnu - I thought it might help to create public awareness. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > but it should be in australia - otherwise mmmmm ummmmmm > it just should be hear ;-) > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > > > > Rik Rx writes: > > > > > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > > > > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > > > > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > > > year. > > > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it > pretty > > > soon. > > > > If you build it I will come. Definitely. I worked over xmas to save the > > leave for it. > > > > > Our main question is: > > > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > > > only this time? > > > > There's something to be said for making it mainly for the the fans. > > Certainly I wouldn't want to see it as commercial as Glastonbury has > > become nor as awfully rock'n'burgers as Reading. The Hawkwind fan > > community by and large know each other and are a community in the real > > sense and diluting that too far in a festival would make it lose > > something special. > > > > That said, clearly we need enough people so that the bands can be paid > > and the stallholders make a living. That amounts to more than last time. > > I'm sure that with one success behind us we can attract more of the > > dedicated fans. However the net will probably have to go at least a > > little further than that. Certainly let's extend it to family and > > friends of passport holders and those Hawkwind fans who aren't yet > > passport holders. It'd also be reasonable to get in folks from the rest > > of the spacerock community. > > > > I think just opening it right up to a public festival would risk > > diluting it too far. That can be mitigated by choice of bands being kept > > to Hawkwind related and spacerock but while we should extend the > > attendee base, I think we should think carefully about how to do that > > rather than just advertise to the general public. I know from experience > > that the wrong crowd can pretty easily break a festival and the band > > have more than enough similar experience with the likes of the Brew Crew. > > > > I know that there was an issue between keeping it to a similar remit to > > last time or going in with a more general festival. I'm very much for > > the former. Keep it Hawk-related, but yes, let's extend the fanbase. > > Moving it geographically closer to Bristol than Exeter might encourage > > more folks to travel. Beer was a great area of the country, but not > > exactly easy to get to for those far from the South. > > > > Could we have comment from the bands and organisers about how many we > > need to make this work without anyone losing their shirts? Then take > > into account having enough loos etc for that number and recalculate? > > > > Once we have a ballpark figure for that, we know how much further we > > need to extend it. > > > > From my own long experience of rock festivals, once you get past 5000 you > > lose the sense of community and it becomes something else. Hopefully > > we're not talking that kind of number? > > > > And thanks to all concerned for the last one and for being prepared to > > host this rabble again ;-) > > > > FoFP > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jan 9 09:52:49 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <200301091253.MAA06781@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with the remake of => Tarkovsky's "Solaris". That's a very cerebral film. A remake could => produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into => Event Horizon II. This remake was shilled out the wazoo some time before Xmas. Most of the press I saw, though, seemed to be fixated on George Clooney's bare butt. :-\ I did see a review, and it seemed to me that the remake was an homage to Tarkovsky's original (though bizarrely, Tarkovsky was mentioned so briefly you'd think he wasn't). I think an homage is a shame, in that it's a bit redundant and a wasted opportunity. I love Tarkovsky's original (in fact, I re-watched it when I heard Hollywood was re-making it), but even it does not cover all of Lem's book (which I also love), so there was room for more exploration of the novel in a possible remake. But, it seems that the remake of Solaris is not as bad as I'd imagined when I first heard it was being remade. (I had visions of wave upon wave of the visitors attacking the station occupants a la _Aliens_, _Resident Evil_, _Night of the Living Dead_ et al.;) What I'd *really* like to see is a remake of _Stalker_ (Tarkovsky's film based on the Strugatsky brother's _Roadside Picnic_) that actually follows the story... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 9 10:06:41 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:06:41 -0700 Subject: Once again music gets the blame Message-ID: I'd rather see them make a movie of one of Lem's other books, such as _Memoirs found in a Bath Tub_. Guido M Holmes wrote: >It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with the remake of >Tarkovsky's "Solaris". That's a very cerebral film. A remake could >produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into >Event Horizon II. > >As ever, I'm not holding my breath. > >FoFP > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jan 9 10:02:49 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:02:49 -0500 Subject: Once again music gets the blame In-Reply-To: <3E1D9001.2070402@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:06:41AM -0700, Guido Vacano wrote: => I'd rather see them make a movie of one of Lem's other books, such as => _Memoirs found in a Bath Tub_. Or what about _The Futurological Congress_? But I guess they already kind of did that one and called it _The Matrix_... Cheers, Paul. PS: _The Cyberiad_ would be fun, maybe as an anime. I'm not into anime, but I saw _Spirited Away_ before Xmas and was totally blown away... e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 10:11:01 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:11:01 GMT Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:52:49 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with the remake of > => Tarkovsky's "Solaris". That's a very cerebral film. A remake could > => produce one of the best SF movies made, or it could degenerate into > => Event Horizon II. > > This remake was shilled out the wazoo some time before Xmas. Most of > the press I saw, though, seemed to be fixated on George Clooney's bare > butt. :-\ Hmmmm, I certainly won't be buying a ticket based purely on that selling point. Maybe it'll bring more of the distaff element to SF though so perhaps this moon has a silver lining. > I did see a review, and it seemed to me that the remake was an homage > to Tarkovsky's original (though bizarrely, Tarkovsky was mentioned so > briefly you'd think he wasn't). I think an homage is a shame, in that > it's a bit redundant and a wasted opportunity. Well, perhaps. Special effects have now grown up enough to give the hallucinatory sequences some bite. I that lies the danger of course. > I love Tarkovsky's > original (in fact, I re-watched it when I heard Hollywood was > re-making it), but even it does not cover all of Lem's book (which I > also love), so there was room for more exploration of the novel in a > possible remake. Even just the concept of an intelligent planet trying to communicate, and that being indistinguishable from an attack when the means and message is truly alien, opens up some very interesting possibilities should they not want to remain confined to the original. Personally I'm very intrigued by the idea of an encounter with the truly alien. Of course, like the previously mentioned idea of rationality versuis a gun spree as dramatic narrative, it's very much harder to write drama based on this than it is to do a rockets'n'rayguns story based on Sinbad In Space, such as Star Wars. Even Kubrick's "2002" dodged that bullet by using visual art and metaphor, and therein sacrificed drama for cinematography in what I still regard as the best SF movie ever made. Maybe I'll say more on this later. I have an idea of how this could be done, but I require a specific idea rooted in biology which I haven't hit on yet. Are there any biologists in the house? > But, it seems that the remake of Solaris is not as bad as I'd imagined > when I first heard it was being remade. (I had visions of wave upon > wave of the visitors attacking the station occupants a la _Aliens_, > _Resident Evil_, _Night of the Living Dead_ et al.;) As I said, Event Horizon II is a distinct possibility where hallucinatory aliens are concerned. > What I'd *really* > like to see is a remake of _Stalker_ (Tarkovsky's film based on the > Strugatsky brother's _Roadside Picnic_) that actually follows the > story... :-) Yes, that'd have great possibilities. For concerns of maintaining the correct mood to the film though, I'd rather see it done by Australian cinema than Hollywood. Somehow since "Walkabout", "The Last Wave", "Picnic At Hanging Rock" and whatever that movie was with the undeground hospital treating radiation victims, I've been very impressed by the moodiness of such movies. It's a great antodote to Hollywood fare. FoFP From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 9 10:31:48 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:31:48 -0700 Subject: OFF: Solaris Message-ID: Erm, do molecular biologists qualify? :-) Even if your question is rooted in more "traditional" biology, I might be able to help. Guido M Holmes wrote: >Maybe I'll say more on this later. I have an idea of how this could be >done, but I require a specific idea rooted in biology which I haven't >hit on yet. Are there any biologists in the house? > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 10:28:17 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:58:17 +1030 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I have named two of my pets - one Magnu and the other Zarozinia ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Sharpe To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > I agree whole-heartedly with the guy with the blue skin.... but > unfortunately you mention Hawkwind down here & most people ask if it's the > name of a boat or horse. > The worst part is that my wife wouldn't let me call my daughter Hawkwind or > Magnu - I thought it might help to create public awareness. > > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > > > > but it should be in australia - otherwise mmmmm ummmmmm > > it just should be hear ;-) > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: M Holmes > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:05 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > > > > > > > Rik Rx writes: > > > > > > > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > > > > > > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > > > > > > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest > this > > > > year. > > > > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it > > pretty > > > > soon. > > > > > > If you build it I will come. Definitely. I worked over xmas to save the > > > leave for it. > > > > > > > Our main question is: > > > > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport > holders > > > > only this time? > > > > > > There's something to be said for making it mainly for the the fans. > > > Certainly I wouldn't want to see it as commercial as Glastonbury has > > > become nor as awfully rock'n'burgers as Reading. The Hawkwind fan > > > community by and large know each other and are a community in the real > > > sense and diluting that too far in a festival would make it lose > > > something special. > > > > > > That said, clearly we need enough people so that the bands can be paid > > > and the stallholders make a living. That amounts to more than last time. > > > I'm sure that with one success behind us we can attract more of the > > > dedicated fans. However the net will probably have to go at least a > > > little further than that. Certainly let's extend it to family and > > > friends of passport holders and those Hawkwind fans who aren't yet > > > passport holders. It'd also be reasonable to get in folks from the rest > > > of the spacerock community. > > > > > > I think just opening it right up to a public festival would risk > > > diluting it too far. That can be mitigated by choice of bands being kept > > > to Hawkwind related and spacerock but while we should extend the > > > attendee base, I think we should think carefully about how to do that > > > rather than just advertise to the general public. I know from experience > > > that the wrong crowd can pretty easily break a festival and the band > > > have more than enough similar experience with the likes of the Brew > Crew. > > > > > > I know that there was an issue between keeping it to a similar remit to > > > last time or going in with a more general festival. I'm very much for > > > the former. Keep it Hawk-related, but yes, let's extend the fanbase. > > > Moving it geographically closer to Bristol than Exeter might encourage > > > more folks to travel. Beer was a great area of the country, but not > > > exactly easy to get to for those far from the South. > > > > > > Could we have comment from the bands and organisers about how many we > > > need to make this work without anyone losing their shirts? Then take > > > into account having enough loos etc for that number and recalculate? > > > > > > Once we have a ballpark figure for that, we know how much further we > > > need to extend it. > > > > > > From my own long experience of rock festivals, once you get past 5000 > you > > > lose the sense of community and it becomes something else. Hopefully > > > we're not talking that kind of number? > > > > > > And thanks to all concerned for the last one and for being prepared to > > > host this rabble again ;-) > > > > > > FoFP > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 9 10:32:34 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:32:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: CBS claims... > I have named two of my pets - one Magnu Is Magnu a horse, or a Golden Retriever at least? Grakkl (FAA), who once had a pet hamster named Mendelssohn and a terrier/poodle mix named Donovan, but despite them both being named after composers/musicians, I was not responsible for naming either one... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 9 09:33:25 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:33:25 EDT Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <002201c2b7f3$bd4a6320$edcb223f@studio> Message-ID: On 10 Jan 2003 at 1:58, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > I have named my pets - ... the other Zarozinia > Geez, by the time you get that out of your mouth, he'll have killed the neighbor's cat! theo From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Jan 9 10:56:55 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:56:55 +0000 Subject: OFF:pet names Message-ID: I have a cat named Kilmister (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be Elric & Moonglum :o) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 9 10:46:24 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? Message-ID: HELL YES!!! I am there. Just need dates and I'll get my ticket right away. I think the Passport holders should be able to get tickets over the public. I'm sure alot of fans aren't online. If Brian Tawn sent a flyer out to all on his mailing list. Maybe more folks will find out. Try to keep it HW fans/likeminded only. THe last Strange Daze that was out doors had alot of Riff Raff going around. Peoples campsites had stuff stolen and bad drugs were going around. I'm talking the heavy stuff. Any ways, as some others have stated, the Loo's need better organized and more food stands too. I'm not a vegetarian and I'd like to see a burger stall with real burgers. Also the last night I ended up eating Chocolate bars, because thats all that was left. They just don't taste good after drinking. :-) I had so much fun last year, met loads of people, both new and old. All around wonderful time. Would love to meet up with all my friends that couldn't make it last year. The earlier you can give out dates would maybe get more folks to come too. See ya there. I hope. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik To: HW Yahoogroups Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this year. If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty soon. Our main question is: If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders only this time? For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.htm MISSION CONTROL www.hawkwind.com ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 9 10:51:29 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:51:29 -0500 Subject: pet names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mine was called China Cat Sunflower. ________________________________ I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them their jobs. -- Samuel Goldwyn ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Neil Shilladay ::->Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:57 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: OFF:pet names ::-> ::-> ::->I have a cat named Kilmister ::->(and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) ::->I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they ::->were to be ::->Elric & Moonglum :o) ::-> From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 9 10:58:03 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:58:03 -0500 Subject: pet names Message-ID: My cats name is Scooby Doo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: pet names > Mine was called China Cat Sunflower. > > ________________________________ > I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth > even if it costs them their jobs. > > -- Samuel Goldwyn > > > > ::->-----Original Message----- > ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::->Behalf Of Neil Shilladay > ::->Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:57 AM > ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::->Subject: OFF:pet names > ::-> > ::-> > ::->I have a cat named Kilmister > ::->(and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) > ::->I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they > ::->were to be > ::->Elric & Moonglum :o) > ::-> From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 11:09:27 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:39:27 +1030 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: neither lol - tis a rat ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Henderson Keith To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > CBS claims... > > > I have named two of my pets - one Magnu > > Is Magnu a horse, or a Golden Retriever at least? > > Grakkl (FAA), who once had a pet hamster named Mendelssohn > and a terrier/poodle mix named Donovan, but despite them > both being named after composers/musicians, I was not > responsible for naming either one... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 11:10:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:40:35 +1030 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: tis a rat - :)) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 > On 10 Jan 2003 at 1:58, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > > I have named my pets - ... the other Zarozinia > > > Geez, by the time you get that out of your mouth, he'll have killed the neighbor's cat! > > theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 11:11:59 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:41:59 +1030 Subject: OFF:pet names Message-ID: other pet names of mine were or are Hawkmoon Elric Corum Jherrek ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Shilladay To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:26 AM Subject: OFF:pet names > I have a cat named Kilmister > (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) > I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be > Elric & Moonglum :o) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 11:14:00 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:44:00 +1030 Subject: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? Message-ID: you've never had my vegetarian cooking then - second thoughts - it might freak ye out so I wont describe it on list ;-) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: stephe lindas To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? HELL YES!!! I am there. Just need dates and I'll get my ticket right away. I think the Passport holders should be able to get tickets over the public. I'm sure alot of fans aren't online. If Brian Tawn sent a flyer out to all on his mailing list. Maybe more folks will find out. Try to keep it HW fans/likeminded only. THe last Strange Daze that was out doors had alot of Riff Raff going around. Peoples campsites had stuff stolen and bad drugs were going around. I'm talking the heavy stuff. Any ways, as some others have stated, the Loo's need better organized and more food stands too. I'm not a vegetarian and I'd like to see a burger stall with real burgers. Also the last night I ended up eating Chocolate bars, because thats all that was left. They just don't taste good after drinking. :-) I had so much fun last year, met loads of people, both new and old. All around wonderful time. Would love to meet up with all my friends that couldn't make it last year. The earlier you can give out dates would maybe get more folks to come too. See ya there. I hope. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik To: HW Yahoogroups Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this year. If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty soon. Our main question is: If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders only this time? For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht m MISSION CONTROL www.hawkwind.com ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 11:15:10 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:45:10 +1030 Subject: pet names Message-ID: > I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth > even if it costs them their jobs. > > -- Samuel Goldwyn how about if it costs Sam his job - does he still want the truth then? LoL ;-) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 11:24:14 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:24:14 GMT Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:31:48 -0700 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Erm, do molecular biologists qualify? :-) Even if your question is > rooted in more "traditional" biology, I might be able to help. OK, a game open to all anyway. The idea was to set a story on a planet of aliens who were in some way actually alien rather than just eggheaded or brutish humans. The difficulty is of course how to set a narrative where some of the characters can't be understood by the reader. My solution was to have a human protagonist who is a detective, be called in to solve a murder on the alien planet. He'd be unable to understand the alien thinking, but would be able, in a Holmesian way, to work it out, and thus solve the murder. Which is where biology, and evolutionary psychology come in. Humans have male sexual jealousy, according to the evolutionary psychologists, because the plumbing and methodology of mating means that males can't be certain of paternity, and thus might waste considerable resources raising a child not genetically theirs (human cuckoldry rate seems to be running at 15% to 25% though cheap DNA tests might well change this). The incest taboo comes from the dangers of double-recessive genes, difficulties of sexual behaviour between siblings when child-rearing and other problems which need to be circumvented. So the basic idea of evolutionary psychology is that emotions develop from some economic/logistic problem in the organism's environment or life cycle. So what I need is some peculiar breeding cycle of some organism which could be logically extrapolated through similar reasoning into an emotion in a sentient being which would be peculiar to understand but which could be rationally arrived at by examining the life cyycle or evolutionary history of the organism. It'd of course help if there were some logical reason to keep it secret from others or other species (our protagonism) a la incest and if it were clearly to be strong enough to be a motive for murder. Over to you.... FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 9 11:37:13 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: <200301091624.QAA28397@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Over to you.... > > FoFP Reminds me somewhat of Ursula K. LeGuin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" where a human emissary lives with aliens who are asexual until they become one sex or the other, based on personal and environmental conditions, in order to mate. Mating is also more like in the animal kingdom, in that they were not always "in heat." Those who were, were considered freaks of nature and perverts. The story also involved their particular brand of government (not so different than the norm), and the fact that they were living through an ice age, which affected their sociology. I'm sure there was even more to it that I'm missing, since I haven't read it in quite some time. As far as examples in nature that could be drawn from, a friend of mine is studying a fish called the Gobi, which can change sex based on the mating situation it finds itself in. He would be able to tell you much more about how and why it happens. So, if you're interested let me know and I can put you in contact with him. Brian NP> Monster Magnet "God Says No" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 9 12:27:51 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:27:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9 Jan 2003 at 11:37, Brian Halligan wrote: > Reminds me somewhat of Ursula K. LeGuin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" > where a human emissary lives with aliens who are asexual until they > become one sex or the other, based on personal and environmental > conditions, in order to mate. Mating is also more like in the animal > kingdom, in that they were not always "in heat." Those who were, were > considered freaks of nature and perverts. > Although some non-human species on earth mate out of season, c.f. dolphins... theo From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 9 13:56:37 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:56:37 -0500 Subject: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? Message-ID: Try me.????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? > you've never had my vegetarian cooking then - second thoughts - it might > freak ye out so I wont describe it on list ;-) > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephe lindas > To: > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? > > > HELL YES!!! I am there. Just need dates and I'll get my ticket right away. I > think the Passport holders should be able to get tickets over the public. > I'm sure alot of fans aren't online. If Brian Tawn sent a flyer out to all > on his mailing list. Maybe more folks will find out. Try to keep it HW > fans/likeminded only. THe last Strange Daze that was out doors had alot of > Riff Raff going around. Peoples campsites had stuff stolen and bad drugs > were going around. I'm talking the heavy stuff. Any ways, as some others > have stated, the Loo's need better organized and more food stands too. I'm > not a vegetarian and I'd like to see a burger stall with real burgers. Also > the last night I ended up eating Chocolate bars, because thats all that was > left. They just don't taste good after drinking. :-) I had so much fun last > year, met loads of people, both new and old. All around wonderful time. > Would love to meet up with all my friends that couldn't make it last year. > The earlier you can give out dates would maybe get more folks to come too. > See ya there. I hope. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rik > To: HW Yahoogroups > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:56 PM > Subject: RE: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? > > > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > year. > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it > pretty soon. > > Our main question is: > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > only this time? > > For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > m > > MISSION CONTROL > www.hawkwind.com > > ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Jan 9 14:33:05 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:33:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: I'm interested of course! I think that the Hawkfest should be kept just for passport holders and their family and friends - but if the band would like to explore the idea of widening the audience, then it could be done while keeping a friendly atmosphere - the Canterbury festival for example. I'm being greedy now, but if the band go for a bigger audience, I'd also like to see a genuine 'private HW party' lasting just for a day perhaps, but where just HW play a few free and easy sets or jam sessions - like the eclipse party - what a day/night that was! Mick > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > >Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > >The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this >year. >If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty >soon. > >Our main question is: >If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders >only this time? > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 9 15:23:52 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:23:52 -0600 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200301082357.SAA22597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Rik Rx wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 : :+ + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + : :Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 : :The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this :year. Um, yes! (although, unless it ends up being around the time of the wedding, I won't be able to go :-( (sigh)) :If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty :soon. : :Our main question is: :If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders :only this time? I think having it be passport holders only was nice, just because of the intimate feel. However, it's more important that the band be able to recoup its costs, and if that necessitates a wider audience, then so be it. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 9 16:39:32 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:39:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Solaris Message-ID: Sheri S. Tepper's book "Grass" comes close to this. A planet apparently unaffected by a plague, a human population apparently totally integrated into a strange alien environment, an apparently benign system of three different alien species co-existing together in an increasingly complex biological interaction and the reason why the planet "Grass" appears untouched by the plague. A calm, ordered way of life that grows more and more sinister as the story progresses and yet, at the end, isn't sinister at all - just alien. If you haven't read it yet, you should! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris > Guido Vacano writes: > > > Erm, do molecular biologists qualify? :-) Even if your question is > > rooted in more "traditional" biology, I might be able to help. > > OK, a game open to all anyway. > > The idea was to set a story on a planet of aliens who were in some way > actually alien rather than just eggheaded or brutish humans. The > difficulty is of course how to set a narrative where some of the > characters can't be understood by the reader. My solution was to have a > human protagonist who is a detective, be called in to solve a murder on > the alien planet. He'd be unable to understand the alien thinking, but > would be able, in a Holmesian way, to work it out, and thus solve the > murder. > > Which is where biology, and evolutionary psychology come in. Humans > have male sexual jealousy, according to the evolutionary psychologists, > because the plumbing and methodology of mating means that males can't be > certain of paternity, and thus might waste considerable resources > raising a child not genetically theirs (human cuckoldry rate seems to be > running at 15% to 25% though cheap DNA tests might well change this). > The incest taboo comes from the dangers of double-recessive genes, > difficulties of sexual behaviour between siblings when child-rearing and > other problems which need to be circumvented. So the basic idea of > evolutionary psychology is that emotions develop from some > economic/logistic problem in the organism's environment or life cycle. > > So what I need is some peculiar breeding cycle of some organism which > could be logically extrapolated through similar reasoning into an > emotion in a sentient being which would be peculiar to understand but > which could be rationally arrived at by examining the life cyycle or > evolutionary history of the organism. It'd of course help if there were > some logical reason to keep it secret from others or other species (our > protagonism) a la incest and if it were clearly to be strong enough to > be a motive for murder. > > Over to you.... > > FoFP > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 9 16:47:48 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:47:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: <006701c2b827$999661c0$e34e87d9@jds> Message-ID: Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. MM From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 9 23:28:18 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:28:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: Solaris Message-ID: I think Piers Anthony has visited this territory (crazy alien sex and the attendant psychology) in his _Cluster_ series (perhaps elsewhere too). Italo Calvino's _Cosmicomics_ comes close too, in some ways. Guido M Holmes wrote: >Guido Vacano writes: > > > >>Erm, do molecular biologists qualify? :-) Even if your question is >>rooted in more "traditional" biology, I might be able to help. >> >> > >OK, a game open to all anyway. > >The idea was to set a story on a planet of aliens who were in some way >actually alien rather than just eggheaded or brutish humans. The >difficulty is of course how to set a narrative where some of the >characters can't be understood by the reader. My solution was to have a >human protagonist who is a detective, be called in to solve a murder on >the alien planet. He'd be unable to understand the alien thinking, but >would be able, in a Holmesian way, to work it out, and thus solve the >murder. > >Which is where biology, and evolutionary psychology come in. Humans >have male sexual jealousy, according to the evolutionary psychologists, >because the plumbing and methodology of mating means that males can't be >certain of paternity, and thus might waste considerable resources >raising a child not genetically theirs (human cuckoldry rate seems to be >running at 15% to 25% though cheap DNA tests might well change this). >The incest taboo comes from the dangers of double-recessive genes, >difficulties of sexual behaviour between siblings when child-rearing and >other problems which need to be circumvented. So the basic idea of >evolutionary psychology is that emotions develop from some >economic/logistic problem in the organism's environment or life cycle. > >So what I need is some peculiar breeding cycle of some organism which >could be logically extrapolated through similar reasoning into an >emotion in a sentient being which would be peculiar to understand but >which could be rationally arrived at by examining the life cyycle or >evolutionary history of the organism. It'd of course help if there were >some logical reason to keep it secret from others or other species (our >protagonism) a la incest and if it were clearly to be strong enough to >be a motive for murder. > >Over to you.... > >FoFP > > > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 10 12:49:45 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:49:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200301082357.SAA22597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Definitely Yes! Last year's was near perfect so this year should be even better! On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 11:57 pm, you wrote: > + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 > > The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this > year. > If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it > pretty soon. > > Our main question is: > If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders > only this time? > > For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.h >t m > > MISSION CONTROL > www.hawkwind.com > > ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + From m.french at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jan 10 14:08:55 2003 From: m.french at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Merrick French) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:08:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200301082357.SAA22597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: YES of course we want another hawkfest!!!! It will be busier this year as more people will know about it, but I think it does need to be kept exculsive in order to keep that special vibe love and peace Julie From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Fri Jan 10 14:13:49 2003 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:13:49 +1300 Subject: Hawkwind listening Message-ID: Over the New Year I was working as the fireworks contractor to Napier, a modest but pretty coastal resort in the North Island of New Zealand; along with the truckload of necessary gear I packed my discman and Hawkwind CDs and, at the end of day, slumped on my hotel balcony with Dave Brock et al filling my head. This intensive listening changed my valuation of respective releases. For years I've played a handful of titles and neglected the rest of the catalogue. I guess it's no surprise to many of you when I say that 'Space Ritual', after gathering dust, reclaimed its place as a highpoint; 'Hall of the Mountain Grill' eased out 'Doremifasol' (which I thought was my favourite early disc until this back-to-back comparison), and 'Palace Springs' confirmed my high opinion of it. The unexpected runner was 'The Business Trip', which I came to admire above many other more touted releases. There is one rider to my comparisons: I only have the delightful 'Quark Strangeness & Charm', and 'Angels of Death' on vinyl (which remains my preferred medium) so they weren't part of the listening exercise. Having returned home I can confirm that 'Quark' sounds as powerful as ever, while 'Angels' remains marginal. As a result of this I'm now selling nineteen CDs; if you're interested in a list backchannel me. David Howard From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Jan 10 12:43:03 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:43:03 -0400 Subject: so long, see you in London! Message-ID: Hope to see some of you in London. We have cds, t-shirts & more. Come check us out...Mike That's The Torrington in Finchley; January 12th and Catch, 22 Portobello Rd on January 15th From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Jan 10 13:07:30 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:07:30 -0400 Subject: venue address correction Message-ID: The Catch is on Kingsland Rd. , shoreditch From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Jan 10 18:20:40 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:20:40 -0500 Subject: OFF:pet names In-Reply-To: ; from neil.shilladay@MICROLISE.COM on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:56:55PM +0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:56:55PM +0000, Neil Shilladay wrote: > I have a cat named Kilmister > (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) > I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be > Elric & Moonglum :o) A friend of mine once lived in a house with many cats (though not that many): - his was Nico(sp?), which he said was Japanese for "cat" (no apparent relation to the singer) - his roommate's was Kashmir, because she had especially soft fur (and also for another reason :-) - the landlord/upstairs-neighbour's two were John and Bob, after the dead Kennedies -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jan 10 18:25:13 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:25:13 -0600 Subject: OFF:pet names In-Reply-To: <20030110182040.E25980@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF:pet names : :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:56:55PM +0000, Neil Shilladay wrote: :> I have a cat named Kilmister :> (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) :> I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be :> Elric & Moonglum :o) : :A friend of mine once lived in a house with many cats (though not :that many): : - his was Nico(sp?), which he said was Japanese for "cat" (no : apparent relation to the singer) Random note, but cat in Japanese is neko ;-) (who cannot draw the kanji for you in ascii, unfortunately.) Arin (former japanese studies major, in another life.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 10 18:42:07 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:12:07 +1030 Subject: OFF:pet names .... just delete this one lol Message-ID: fortunatly ;-) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: Re: OFF:pet names > On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF:pet names > : > :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:56:55PM +0000, Neil Shilladay wrote: > :> I have a cat named Kilmister > :> (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) > :> I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be > :> Elric & Moonglum :o) > : > :A friend of mine once lived in a house with many cats (though not > :that many): > : - his was Nico(sp?), which he said was Japanese for "cat" (no > : apparent relation to the singer) > > Random note, but cat in Japanese is neko ;-) > (who cannot draw the kanji for you in ascii, unfortunately.) > > Arin > (former japanese studies major, in another life.) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 10 23:08:48 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:08:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Raids Recover Original Beatles Tapes Message-ID: Raids Recover Original Beatles Tapes Police appear to have recovered about 500 original Beatles tapes, including some never-released tracks, that were stolen in the 1970s, during raids today (Jan. 10) on members of a piracy racket in England and the Netherlands. British police said the tapes were "priceless." Dutch police, who found the tapes in the Netherlands, agreed, but said analysis of the material was ongoing. "We're investigating whether they really are the originals, but it appears to be so," prosecutor spokesman Robert Meulenbroek said in Amsterdam. "There are about 500 tapes, so there's quite a bit to research." The tapes soon will be turned over to British authorities, he said. Police arrested five people in raids in England and in Holland, following an investigation that began about a year ago. The suspects' names were not immediately released. The tapes contain songs, including "Get Back," for an album the Beatles planned in 1969. The project was shelved, and some of the songs instead became part of the band's final studio album, "Let It Be" (1969's "Abbey Road" was actually an album of the band's final recordings together before breaking up, but "Let It Be" was released after the split). The rest of the tapes disappeared shortly after the sessions, during which the band attempted a more back-to-basics approach to recording after the tensions of 1968's "White Album." Band members met in the Twickenham area of London to rehearse, rather than Abbey Road, where they usually recorded. Continued problems within the band saw Harrison briefly quit during that period. The recovered reels are believed to contain dozens of entire songs, as well as snippets of tracks the band attempted, then abandoned. Along with new songs, the Beatles ran through earlier tracks for old time's sake. "We applaud this exemplary police operation, which reflects the extraordinary level of international coordination that is needed to tackle the sophisticated cross-border strategies of today's organized music pirates," said Jay Berman, chairman of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), which led the investigation with help from London detectives. IFPI and London police first identified suspects who were thought to have been involved in the theft and handling of the tapes. Further inquiries across Europe led to the joint operation by British and Dutch police. Two British men were arrested in West London, and two Dutch men and a British man were arrested south of Amsterdam, where Dutch and British police were working together. "This is a good example of how an international multiagency approach by both the private sector and police agencies can combat offenses of this nature," Detective Inspector Paul Johnston said in London. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 11 06:57:49 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:57:49 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Magic Cat Radio Special (Dr Brown & Friends) Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (January 4, 2002): We've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. This is a guest contribution from Magic Cat Radio featuring 45 minutes of mixed psychedelic sounds from Dr Brown & family. If you dig British Festie Space Rock and Psychedelia then you're sure to enjoy this show. See the playlist below. The January 2003 issue of Aural Innovations is getting close. It will be late this month but we're on schedule. Celebrate with us as we begin our SIXTH year of publication! The 15th issue of THE BROKEN FACE is now available!! The 69 pages includes the seriously damaged psychedelic excess of P?rson Sound, the transcendental drone/noise of Thuja, the slow motion drone marathons, guitar explosions and abstract folk structures of Arco Flute Foundation and the earthy melodies and layered choral harmonies of Japanese duo Nagisa Ni te. On top of all this we're happy to deliver one man's story from Terrastock 5, a glimpse from Sharron Kraus' shady side of folk music, the Warlocks' jagged Velvetsian rock, Oneida's blast of interstellar warp action and acid rawk, Fursaxa's blurry drone sketches, the blissful elegance of Tarentel, top 2002 lists and too many reviews to count them all. ALL Aural Innovations readers should check out this mag. It's a GREAT read!! For more information visit The Broken Face web site at: http://brokenface.fupp.net Aural Innovations Radio: Magic Cat Radio show #1 Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis and features 45 minutes of mixed psychedelic sounds from Dr Brown & family. If you dig British Festie Space Rock and Psychedelia then you're sure to enjoy this show. "We Go Far" Kev Ellis solo home recordings 2002 "Improv" Dr Blue (Kev, Andy, Al, Grant, Paul, Pete, Steff) live @ The Horseshoe, 2001 "Radio Announcement" Heliotrope @ Bands On The Beck, Bradford , 1995 "Father Jack Vs Unlimbo" Irish folk collides with Stanley Unwin! "Lucky Jack" Dr Brown (Kev, Andy, Al, Grant, Pete, Will) from Philosophers Stone cdr Earthloop (Kev, Andy, Grant, Pete, Al) Live @ The Fawcett, 2000 "Stage Announcements" Roly @ The Taswell, 1997 Earthloop (Kev, Andy, Grant, Al) recorded @ Grants, 2000 "Enter" Sonic Arcana (Andy, Kev) from Music & Elsewhere tape "Enter The Sonic Arcana", 1996 "The Land Of Red & Gold" Dr Brown (Kev, Andy, Al, Rick, Grant, Pete, Steff, Jason) Live on Channel 21 Leicester TV, 1999 So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From gg at NINJANET.COM Sat Jan 11 13:59:52 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:59:52 +0100 Subject: Administrative Announcement + passport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike wrote: > For reasons yet unexplained Hawkwind has decided that trading is not in > their best interest. Although we disagree wholeheartedly with this > sentiment we will abide by the bands' request. anyone can tell me why a band decide to put a stop at the trading about their live concerts? I thought that the trading was the first manner to make a band a famous and well-know band. uhmm...thinking better, I interviewed many band that like that people trade their albums, but there were only undeground band, no one like Hawkwind :) anyway, I have no bootleg, so I can't copy anything to anyone. :) PS does someone know how I can take the Hawkwind's passport? I am out of the UK, so I can't send the IRC requested... any idea? thanks a lot and sorry for my not-so-good english!! ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 02:57:11 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:27:11 +1030 Subject: Administrative Announcement + passport Message-ID: Go to the Mission Control website http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm click on "control" ((this is one of the little menues in the red eye - right bottom hand corner)) then click on "passports" here you will find instructions and two files that you can download and print from your computer as well as the address to send in the application. Its all there. So easy even I got one :-) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierluigi Fumi To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 5:29 AM Subject: Re: Administrative Announcement + passport > Mike wrote: > > > > For reasons yet unexplained Hawkwind has decided that trading is not in > > their best interest. Although we disagree wholeheartedly with this > > sentiment we will abide by the bands' request. > > anyone can tell me why a band decide to put a stop at the trading > about their live concerts? > I thought that the trading was the first manner to make a band a > famous and well-know band. > uhmm...thinking better, I interviewed many band that like that people > trade their albums, but there were only undeground band, no one like > Hawkwind :) > > anyway, I have no bootleg, so I can't copy anything to anyone. :) > > PS > does someone know how I can take the Hawkwind's passport? I am out of > the UK, so I can't send the IRC requested... any idea? > thanks a lot and sorry for my not-so-good english!! > > > > ciao!, gg > > > -- > www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Jan 12 07:53:46 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:53:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farflung 1st classic CD Message-ID: available here... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1572&item=2500386887 FYI...Grakkl (FAA) From natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK Sun Jan 12 09:03:44 2003 From: natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK (Natalie ELLIS) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:03:44 -0000 Subject: off Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: off > Ahhh...and i thought evil was the root of all evil... > tim 8>)... > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin and guns don`t kill people............. P C> From natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK Sun Jan 12 09:17:46 2003 From: natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK (Natalie ELLIS) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:17:46 -0000 Subject: Fw: Fw: Ever Wonder Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Siouxsie Hacking" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Ever Wonder > > > You've probably seen these before.... > > > > > > > > EVER WONDER... > > > > > > > > ...why the sun lightens our hair, but darkens our skin? > > > > > > > > ...why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed? > > > > > > > > ...why you don't ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"? > > > > > > > > ...why "abbreviated" is such a long word? > > > > > > > > ...why doctors call what they do "practice"? > > > > > > > > ...why you have to click on "Start" to stop Windows 98? > > > > > > > > ...why lemon juice is made with artificial flavor, while dishwashing > >liquid > > > > is made with real lemons? > > > > > > > > ...why the man who invests all your money is called a broker? > > > > > > > > ...why there isn't mouse-flavored cat food? > > > > > > > > ...who tastes dog food when it has a "new & improved" flavor? > > > > > > > > ...why Noah didn't swat those two mosquitoes? > > > > > > > > ...why they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? > > > > > > > > ...why they don't make the whole plane out of the material used for > >the > > > > indestructible black box ? > > > > > > > > ...why sheep don't shrink when it rains? > > > > > > > > ....why they are called apartments when they are all stuck together? > > > > > > > > ...if con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of > >progress? > > > > > > > > ...why they call the airport "the terminal" if flying is so safe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you need further proof that the human race is doomed because > >of > > > > stupidity, here are some actual label instructions on consumer goods. > > > > > > > > On a Sears hairdryer: Do not use while sleeping. (and that's the only > >time > > > > I have to work on my hair). > > > > > > > > On a bag of Fritos: ..You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. > >details > > > > inside. (the shoplifter special)? > > > > > > > > On a bar of Dial soap: "Directions: Use like regular soap." (and that > >would > > > > be how???....) > > > > > > > > On some Swanson frozen dinners: "Serving suggestion: Defrost." (but, > >it's > > > > "just" a suggestion). > > > > > > > > On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom): "Do not turn upside > > > > down."(well...duh, a bit late, huh)! > > > > > > > > On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding:"Product will be hot after heating." > > > > (...and you thought????...) > > > > > > > > On packaging for a Rowenta iron: "Do not iron clothes on body." (but > > > > wouldn't this save me more time?) > > > > > > > > On Boot's Children Cough Medicine:"Do not drive a car or operate > >machinery > > > > after taking this medication." (We could do a lot to reduce the rate > >of > > > > construction accidents if we could just get those 5-year-olds with > > > > head-colds off those forklifts.) > > > > > > > > On Nytol Sleep Aid: "Warning: May cause drowsiness." (and...I'm taking > >this > > > > because???....) > > > > > > > > On most brands of Christmas lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only." > >(as > > > > opposed to...what?) > > > > > > > > On a Japanese food processor: "Not to be used for the other use." > >(now, > > > > somebody out there, help me on this. I'm a bit curious.) > > > > > > > > On Sunsbury's peanuts: "Warning: contains nuts." (talk about a news > >flash) > > > > > > > > On an American Airlines packet of nuts: "Instructions: Open packet, > >eat > > > > nuts." (Step 3: maybe, uh...fly Delta?) > > > > > > > > On a child's superman costume: "Wearing of this garment does not > >enable > >you > > > > to fly." > > > > > > > > I don't blame the company. I blame the parents for > > > > this one > > > > > > > > On a Swedish chainsaw:"Do not attempt to stop chain with your > >hands." > > > > > > > > (...was there a lot of this happening somewhere?) > > > > > > > > Now that you've smiled at least once, it's your turn to spread > >the > > > > stupidity and send this to someone you want to bring a smile to > > > > (maybe even a chuckle)...in other words send it to everyone. We > >all > > > > need to smile every once in a while. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > From natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK Sun Jan 12 09:12:20 2003 From: natalie at GLITTERBUG.FSLIFE.CO.UK (Natalie ELLIS) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:12:20 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? Message-ID: Me too. Eagrely awaitin Dtails. P C ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? HELL YES!!! I am there. Just need dates and I'll get my ticket right away. I think the Passport holders should be able to get tickets over the public. I'm sure alot of fans aren't online. If Brian Tawn sent a flyer out to all on his mailing list. Maybe more folks will find out. Try to keep it HW fans/likeminded only. THe last Strange Daze that was out doors had alot of Riff Raff going around. Peoples campsites had stuff stolen and bad drugs were going around. I'm talking the heavy stuff. Any ways, as some others have stated, the Loo's need better organized and more food stands too. I'm not a vegetarian and I'd like to see a burger stall with real burgers. Also the last night I ended up eating Chocolate bars, because thats all that was left. They just don't taste good after drinking. :-) I had so much fun last year, met loads of people, both new and old. All around wonderful time. Would love to meet up with all my friends that couldn't make it last year. The earlier you can give out dates would maybe get more folks to come too. See ya there. I hope. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik To: HW Yahoogroups Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [Hawkwind] SummerFest 2003 ? + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this year. If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty soon. Our main question is: If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders only this time? For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht m MISSION CONTROL www.hawkwind.com ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 09:36:52 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:06:52 +1030 Subject: off Message-ID: lOl.. They do when they go bang ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie ELLIS To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: off > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: off > > > > Ahhh...and i thought evil was the root of all evil... > > tim 8>)... > > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > > > > Money is not the root of evil in this world - people are..... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > and guns don`t kill people............. > > P C> > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 09:39:23 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:09:23 +1030 Subject: Fw: Fw: Ever Wonder Message-ID: How about this one :) why people whinge about the price of petrol per litre then happily pay double that for a litre of water to drink when its free from the tap ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie ELLIS To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: Ever Wonder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Siouxsie Hacking" > To: ; ; > ; ; > ; ; > ; ; > ; ; > ; ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:38 PM > Subject: Fwd: Fw: Ever Wonder > > > > > > > > You've probably seen these before.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > EVER WONDER... > > > > > > > > > > ...why the sun lightens our hair, but darkens our skin? > > > > > > > > > > ...why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed? > > > > > > > > > > ...why you don't ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"? > > > > > > > > > > ...why "abbreviated" is such a long word? > > > > > > > > > > ...why doctors call what they do "practice"? > > > > > > > > > > ...why you have to click on "Start" to stop Windows 98? > > > > > > > > > > ...why lemon juice is made with artificial flavor, while dishwashing > > >liquid > > > > > is made with real lemons? > > > > > > > > > > ...why the man who invests all your money is called a broker? > > > > > > > > > > ...why there isn't mouse-flavored cat food? > > > > > > > > > > ...who tastes dog food when it has a "new & improved" flavor? > > > > > > > > > > ...why Noah didn't swat those two mosquitoes? > > > > > > > > > > ...why they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? > > > > > > > > > > ...why they don't make the whole plane out of the material used for > > >the > > > > > indestructible black box ? > > > > > > > > > > ...why sheep don't shrink when it rains? > > > > > > > > > > ....why they are called apartments when they are all stuck together? > > > > > > > > > > ...if con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of > > >progress? > > > > > > > > > > ...why they call the airport "the terminal" if flying is so safe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you need further proof that the human race is doomed because > > >of > > > > > stupidity, here are some actual label instructions on consumer > goods. > > > > > > > > > > On a Sears hairdryer: Do not use while sleeping. (and that's the > only > > >time > > > > > I have to work on my hair). > > > > > > > > > > On a bag of Fritos: ..You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. > > >details > > > > > inside. (the shoplifter special)? > > > > > > > > > > On a bar of Dial soap: "Directions: Use like regular soap." (and > that > > >would > > > > > be how???....) > > > > > > > > > > On some Swanson frozen dinners: "Serving suggestion: Defrost." (but, > > >it's > > > > > "just" a suggestion). > > > > > > > > > > On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom): "Do not turn upside > > > > > down."(well...duh, a bit late, huh)! > > > > > > > > > > On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding:"Product will be hot after > heating." > > > > > (...and you thought????...) > > > > > > > > > > On packaging for a Rowenta iron: "Do not iron clothes on body." (but > > > > > wouldn't this save me more time?) > > > > > > > > > > On Boot's Children Cough Medicine:"Do not drive a car or operate > > >machinery > > > > > after taking this medication." (We could do a lot to reduce the rate > > >of > > > > > construction accidents if we could just get those 5-year-olds with > > > > > head-colds off those forklifts.) > > > > > > > > > > On Nytol Sleep Aid: "Warning: May cause drowsiness." (and...I'm > taking > > >this > > > > > because???....) > > > > > > > > > > On most brands of Christmas lights: "For indoor or outdoor use > only." > > >(as > > > > > opposed to...what?) > > > > > > > > > > On a Japanese food processor: "Not to be used for the other use." > > >(now, > > > > > somebody out there, help me on this. I'm a bit curious.) > > > > > > > > > > On Sunsbury's peanuts: "Warning: contains nuts." (talk about a news > > >flash) > > > > > > > > > > On an American Airlines packet of nuts: "Instructions: Open packet, > > >eat > > > > > nuts." (Step 3: maybe, uh...fly Delta?) > > > > > > > > > > On a child's superman costume: "Wearing of this garment does not > > >enable > > >you > > > > > to fly." > > > > > > > > > > I don't blame the company. I blame the parents for > > > > > this one > > > > > > > > > > On a Swedish chainsaw:"Do not attempt to stop chain with your > > >hands." > > > > > > > > > > (...was there a lot of this happening somewhere?) > > > > > > > > > > Now that you've smiled at least once, it's your turn to > spread > > >the > > > > > stupidity and send this to someone you want to bring a smile > to > > > > > (maybe even a chuckle)...in other words send it to everyone. > We > > >all > > > > > need to smile every once in a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 11:01:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:31:35 +1030 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 12 11:12:40 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:12:40 +0800 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the 4 disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: hawk quastion Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin From gg at NINJANET.COM Sun Jan 12 13:27:03 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:27:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farflung 1st classic CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Henderson wrote: > available here... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1572&item=2500386887 ??? what kind of CD is it?? I've never heard about it! ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Jan 12 13:35:00 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:35:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farflung 1st classic CD Message-ID: GG asks... > > available here... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1572&it > em=2500386887 > > ??? what kind of CD is it?? I've never heard about it! It's a Space Rock CD. By Farflung, perhaps the premiere space rock band of the US, though nowadays they've apparently have had to leave their space-rocking daze behind them in order to have enough money to eat, given that space-rock doesn't sell quite as well as the 'trance-rock' they're doing as Anubian Lights (in conjunction with Nik Turner). And this ("25K ft/sec") is their first, and best IMHO (though all of their stuff is good, up to and including their swan-song, 2002's "Nine-Pin Body"), and being OOP and quite old now it's becoming harder to find. I recommend it wholeheartedly, especially if you've never heard their music before. Grakkl (FAA) From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jan 12 14:18:23 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:18:23 +0000 Subject: hawk quastion In-Reply-To: <003701c2ba55$6ee0adc0$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it only contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and have never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are worth buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has run out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor Hughes at Hawkwind gigs and by post. On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the 4 > disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > Subject: hawk quastion > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin From coral at APORT.RU Sun Jan 12 15:48:41 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:48:41 +0300 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: The talk about 25 Years On Box set? I bought at 25 and I haven't had a lot of HW cds or lps like Quark, Hawklords, PXR5, Choose, Sonic Attack, etc. so it was really a help in hearing at least few songs from those albums. Wonderful collection of HW songs, Comic books... good set. Alisa From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 12 18:07:56 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:07:56 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/11 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . 1/11/04 1.F/i "Aum" (Out of Space and Out of Time; RRR) 2.Church of Hed "The Lone Freak" (ST'd; Eternity's Jest ) 3.Scattered Planets "Drifter" (Andromeda Keg Party) 4.The Dao Son For "The Crawler" (ST'd; Country Club) 5.The Fugs "Ah! Sunflower Weary of Time" (First Album; ESP-Disk) 6.Vibrasonic "Don't Leave Me Tired" (ST'd; Yep!) 7.Legendary Pink Dots "Wax and Feathers" (All the King's Horses; Soleilmoon) 8.45 Self "SparkWeb Galaxies" (Aztec Gameshow Death Ritual; Sirius Death Ritual) 9.Exit Terra "Next Phase pt. 2" (ST'd; Riverside) 10.Rollerball "Narcisse" (Trail of the Butter Yeti; Roadcone) 11.Loopian Zu "Dementalinger" (Valley of the Brains; Warped and Wounded) 12.Ozone Player "Re-Ollism" (E; Visual Power) 13.Melting Euphoria "Daisychain of Thoughts (Inside the Gardens of the Mind; Cleopatra) 14.Liquid Sound Company "Preparation for the Psychedelic Eucharist" (Inside the Acid Temple; Brainticket) 15.SubArachnoid Space "Flicker" (Ether Or; Unit Circle) 16.Hawkwind "Days of the Underground/Iron Dream" (Quark Strangeness and Charm; Virgin/Charisma) 17.Heavenly Music Corporation "Octal" (Anechoic; Silent) 18.Lithium X-Mas "Approx. In Flesh" (Helldorado; Direct Hit) 19.ST 37 "Valentine Alibi" (Down on Us; Emperor Jones) thanks, Chuck From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 13 00:36:04 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:06:04 +1030 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have that comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent release? I don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM Subject: Re: hawk quastion > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it only > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and have > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are worth > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has run > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor Hughes > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the 4 > > disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > William > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 13 00:49:31 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:49:31 +0800 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: It was released ages ago, before Alien 4 (as the unreleased track was an instrumental version of the yet to be released Blu Skin), but don't remember exactly how far back. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: hawk quastion > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have that > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent release? I > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it only > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and > have > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are > worth > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has > run > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor > Hughes > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the 4 > > > disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 13 01:03:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:33:35 +1030 Subject: hawk quastion Message-ID: Cheers, thats one more to add to the shopping list. btw - ya'll I've got a trade offering. These are for legitimate releases (eg; NOT cdr's) I have a spare Quark.... (virgin) cd. this one never played (I have 3) and a spare Alien 4 (ebs) cd exellent comdition I am after either: a PXR5 - CD or an Astounding Sounds and Amazing Music - CD feel free to contact me privatley michael_1968 at ozemail.com.au its a really straightforward deal so haggling will not be encouraged :>) cheers --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: Re: hawk quastion > It was released ages ago, before Alien 4 (as the unreleased track was an > instrumental version of the yet to be released Blu Skin), but don't remember > exactly how far back. > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have that > > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent release? > I > > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > > > --------------------------- > > Cpt Blue Skin > > (Alien Dream) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it > only > > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and > > have > > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are > > worth > > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has > > run > > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor > > Hughes > > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the > 4 > > > > disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 13 01:39:14 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:39:14 +0000 Subject: hawk quastion In-Reply-To: <001001c2bac5$ab42ca80$0ae7223f@laptop> Message-ID: It was released in 1995 to mark the bands 25th anniversary. On Monday 13 Jan 2003 05:36, you wrote: > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have that > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent release? I > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it only > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and > > have > > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are > > worth > > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has > > run > > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor > > Hughes > > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the > > > 4 disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Cpt Blue Skin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 13 03:14:37 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:44:37 +1030 Subject: hawk question Message-ID: Thanks man, I was out of the loop back then - missed everything. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: hawk quastion > It was released in 1995 to mark the bands 25th anniversary. > > > On Monday 13 Jan 2003 05:36, you wrote: > > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have that > > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent release? I > > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > > > --------------------------- > > Cpt Blue Skin > > (Alien Dream) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it only > > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 and > > > > have > > > > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log are > > > > worth > > > > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate has > > > > run > > > > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off Trevor > > > > Hughes > > > > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of the > > > > 4 disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > Cpt Blue Skin > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 13 03:34:40 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:34:40 +0000 Subject: hawk question In-Reply-To: <001201c2badb$d0dace80$14e8223f@laptop> Message-ID: haha, what were you up to then? :) On Monday 13 Jan 2003 08:14, you wrote: > Thanks man, I was out of the loop back then - missed everything. > > > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > It was released in 1995 to mark the bands 25th anniversary. > > > > On Monday 13 Jan 2003 05:36, you wrote: > > > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have > > that > > > > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent > > > release? > > I > > > > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > (Alien Dream) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ben Fagin > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it > > only > > > > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 > > > > and > > > > > > have > > > > > > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log > > are > > > > worth > > > > > > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate > > has > > > > run > > > > > > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off > > > > Trevor > > > > > > Hughes > > > > > > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of > > the > > > > > > 4 disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Cpt Blue Skin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 13 05:11:12 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:41:12 +1030 Subject: hawk question Message-ID: I was under the spell of a witch and spent my days and nights slaying demons and hell spawn with my dark long bow - Tempus Subvertio - It wasn't untill, after one very near fatal battle, I was taken, near death, to the deep dark caverns of the Slender White Ones. There, I was healed and later given access to their technology. Where I learned of the continuing adventures of the Hawkwind clan. ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: hawk question > haha, what were you up to then? > > :) > > On Monday 13 Jan 2003 08:14, you wrote: > > Thanks man, I was out of the loop back then - missed everything. > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > Cpt Blue Skin > > (Alien Dream) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:09 PM > > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > > It was released in 1995 to mark the bands 25th anniversary. > > > > > > On Monday 13 Jan 2003 05:36, you wrote: > > > > I would have to check my Hawkwind treasure chest - but I think I have > > > > that > > > > > > comic book - complete with autographs. Is the box set a recent > > > > release? > > > > I > > > > > > don't recall seeing it listed anywhere lately. > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > > (Alien Dream) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ben Fagin > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:48 AM > > > > Subject: Re: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > Well worth having only for The Ledge of Darkness Comic Book. IIRC it > > > > only > > > > > > > contains 1 prev. unreleased track. I bought it at the time for ?50 > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > never played it but the LOD plus Further extracts from the Hawk Log > > > > are > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > > buying the box set for, only if the guy who was selling LOD separate > > > > has > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > out of copies. Also you can get extracts of the comic books off > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > Hughes > > > > > > > > > at Hawkwind gigs and by post. > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 16:12, you wrote: > > > > > > That sounds more like one of the CD's that was released as part of > > > > the > > > > > > > > 4 disc box set, which is not a Dave Anderson job at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:01 AM > > > > > > Subject: hawk quastion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is 25 years on 1977 to 1986 a dave anderson special? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Cpt Blue Skin From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Jan 13 05:34:03 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:34:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Soundtrack of our Lives Message-ID: Hey Folks... How on earth did their album get nominated for a Grammy? I didn't realize that they were even known around the world. But then I see also that they will be on Letterman Thursday, so I guess maybe they *are* gaining a large fan base. Looks like Porcupine Tree still has work to do to catch up. :) Grakkl (FAA), who imagines that somebody like Beck will actually win though. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jan 13 12:32:40 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:32:40 -0600 Subject: Administrative Announcement + passport In-Reply-To: <000901c2ba10$3869dc20$8fd0223f@studio> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: :Subject: Re: Administrative Announcement + passport : :Go to the Mission Control website :http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm : :click on "control" ((this is one of the little menues in the red eye - :right bottom hand corner)) : :then click on "passports" : :here you will find instructions and two files that you can download and :print from your computer as well as the address to send in the application. :Its all there. :So easy even I got one :-) Alternately, direct URL is http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/pa_.htm Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 13 14:57:04 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:27:04 +1030 Subject: Administrative Announcement + passport Message-ID: I think Rik prefers folks enter via the main page first. At least thats wott he told me several months ago. Maybe iss okay now? Whatevva - diggitt ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: Administrative Announcement + passport > On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Administrative Announcement + passport > : > :Go to the Mission Control website > :http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > : > :click on "control" ((this is one of the little menues in the red eye - > :right bottom hand corner)) > : > :then click on "passports" > : > :here you will find instructions and two files that you can download and > :print from your computer as well as the address to send in the application. > :Its all there. > :So easy even I got one :-) > > Alternately, direct URL is > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/pa_.htm > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Jan 13 14:08:01 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Nik Turner in a straight jacket Message-ID: I'm watching the "Night Of The Hawks" video, can't you tell? The beautiful longhaired Dave Brock in a skeleton costume and the clowning and villainous Nik Turner with a red mohawk and makeup and lots of black plastic... Chr. (bona-fide Hawkwind-head since 1988) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 13 19:06:45 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:06:45 -0500 Subject: Administrative Announcement + passport In-Reply-To: <19020411510.20030111195952@ninjanet.com>; from gg@NINJANET.COM on Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 07:59:52PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 07:59:52PM +0100, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > I am out of > the UK, so I can't send the IRC requested... any idea? You probably can. IRC means International Reply Coupon. They're not just for UK people -- in fact, they're really intended for sending money from one country to another (but only in very small amounts). You should be able to buy IRCs at your post office. Here's what my post office has to say about them: http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/d11-e.asp (I hope their bureaucratic English isn't too hard for non-native-speakers to follow :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 14 07:47:34 2003 From: anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM (Simon) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:47:34 -0500 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: Hello, Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) If you want to catch our set, we're on quite early, 6:30 I think- in any case it will be a great evening. If anyone would like any info, can email me or litmus at litmusmusic.co.uk Booking details can be found at http://www.themarquee.com Cheers! Simon. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 14 07:58:19 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:28:19 +1030 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: Have a great time ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb > Hello, > > Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... > > Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee > supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) > If you want to catch our set, we're on quite early, 6:30 I think- in any > case it will be a great evening. > If anyone would like any info, can email me or litmus at litmusmusic.co.uk > Booking details can be found at http://www.themarquee.com > > Cheers! > > Simon. > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 14 10:38:03 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:38:03 -0500 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: When's the world tour? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb > Hello, > > Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... > > Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee > supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) > If you want to catch our set, we're on quite early, 6:30 I think- in any > case it will be a great evening. > If anyone would like any info, can email me or litmus at litmusmusic.co.uk > Booking details can be found at http://www.themarquee.com > > Cheers! > > Simon. > From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 14 10:54:22 2003 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:54:22 +0000 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb In-Reply-To: <200301141247.HAA29112@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Simon wrote: > Hello, > > Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... > > Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee > supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) We want to come, but it's going to be quite difficult. So, if we're (Jon Jarrett and I) not there, it's not because we don't love you. -- Kirsten Procter ghoti What's round and bad tempered? A vicious circle From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 14 11:56:16 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:56:16 GMT Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb In-Reply-To: Kirsten Procter's message of Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:54:22 +0000 Message-ID: > > Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee > > supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) "Can *You* Pass The Litmus Test?" FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 14 12:29:31 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:29:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: New CD in 2003 Message-ID: >From EricBloom.net > January 8, 2003: New BOC CD in 2003 > Exclusive to EricBloom.Net. JOIN NOW and see the latest details including > title and tracklist in the members section. I don't have the dough to join, and I'm not asking for anyone to spill the beans. Just thought I'd post that there will be a new CD. Now, will it be a new studio album, another hits collection, or the Spectres reissue? Guess I for one will have to wait and see. Brian NP> The Brain Surgeons "Trepanation" From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Jan 14 14:15:04 2003 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:15:04 EST Subject: BOC: New CD in 2003 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:30:18 AM Central Standard Time, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: > I don't have the dough to join, and I'm not asking for anyone to spill the > beans. Just thought I'd post that there will be a new CD. Now, will it be a > new studio album, another hits collection, or the Spectres reissue? Guess I > for one will have to wait and see. > Looks like a mix of the three Sanctuary/CMC records. So the only thing I'm hoping for new is the Joan Crawford that didn't make onto either of the Navy Pier releases. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 14 14:48:52 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:48:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: ; from mikemont@NYCAP.RR.COM on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: > Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 14 14:57:47 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:57:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: <20030114144852.D15561@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris : :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: :> Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. : :Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) :reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ hey...not at all reminiscent of freebsd. Solaris is sys V based, not bsd based. So more reminiscent of the other sys V based systems (aix, hpux, irix, etc.) ...and isn't a bad OS! Just not a free one ;-) (a pointless post brought to you by:) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 14 17:28:41 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:28:41 -0000 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: If you can get there, do so! This will be an amazing evening! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb > Hello, > > Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... > > Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee > supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) > If you want to catch our set, we're on quite early, 6:30 I think- in any > case it will be a great evening. > If anyone would like any info, can email me or litmus at litmusmusic.co.uk > Booking details can be found at http://www.themarquee.com > > Cheers! > > Simon. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 14 16:36:57 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:36:57 EDT Subject: BOC: New CD in 2003 In-Reply-To: <8a.22837bb8.2b55bbb8@aol.com> Message-ID: On 14 Jan 2003 at 14:15, Chuck Saden wrote: > blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: > > > I don't have the dough to join, and I'm not asking for anyone to > > spill the beans. Just thought I'd post that there will be a new CD. > > Now, will it be a new studio album, another hits collection, or the > > Spectres reissue? Guess I for one will have to wait and see. > > > > Looks like a mix of the three Sanctuary/CMC records. So the only > thing I'm hoping for new is the Joan Crawford that didn't make onto > either of the Navy Pier releases. Or that they include Telepaths, LDoM, and D&S which are on the DVD but not the CD... theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 14 17:40:17 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:40:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: <200301091624.QAA28397@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:24:14PM +0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:24:14PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > My solution was to have a > human protagonist who is a detective, be called in to solve a murder on > the alien planet. Ender Wiggin, in Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead". > He'd be unable to understand the alien thinking, but > would be able, in a Holmesian way, to work it out, and thus solve the > murder. Well if you wrote it, it would perforce be Holmesian :-) > So what I need is some peculiar breeding cycle of some organism which > could be logically extrapolated through similar reasoning into an > emotion in a sentient being which would be peculiar to understand but > which could be rationally arrived at by examining the life cyycle or > evolutionary history of the organism. Some possibilities: - Check out the title essay in Lewis Thomas's "The Medusa and the Snail". - There are insects, of course, but those have been rather done to death. In this sort of way, though? I don't know. Joe Haldeman brushed up against this in "The Forever War" -- I can't remember now whether the Taurans really are insects, but they certainly set priorities in a way I can imagine insects doing. So, for that matter, did Card in "Ender's Game". (Poor Ender does keep getting himself written into these situations...) - How about parthenogenesis? Relatedness would be binary -- everyone else would be either your twin/clone (100% shared DNA), or completely unrelated (some smaller species-wide shared baseline, but no greater than the rest of your non-twins). And thus, no gradations of loyalty. The many biologically-based loyalties/conflicts we manage to find in family, clan, race, sex, etc., would be reduced to just one, but an even more powerful one than most humans ever know -- you and your many twins vs. the rest of the species. Like the Montague/Capulet feud on *serious* steroids. (Reasoning: It's been observed that our notions of family loyalty -- children, parents, siblings, and down through more distant relatives, clan, tribe -- correlate remarkably closely with amount of shared DNA -- children & parents 50%, siblings 25% I think, grandchildren, aunts & uncles & cousins rather less, and so on. A couple doesn't have greater-than-baseline shared DNA -- that incest-taboo thing :-) -- but your childrens' other parent has a greater genetic stake than anyone else in the kids' survival and future procreation, and so presumably rides on the coattails of the 50% of DNA you share with the kids...) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 14 18:30:17 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:30:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Right on. Ben at LinuxChaos still trying to get Samba working. On Tuesday 14 Jan 2003 7:57 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: > :Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris > : > :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: > :> Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. > : > :Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) > :reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ > > > > hey...not at all reminiscent of freebsd. Solaris is sys V based, not > bsd based. So more reminiscent of the other sys V based systems (aix, > hpux, irix, etc.) > > ...and isn't a bad OS! Just not a free one ;-) > > (a pointless post brought to you by:) > > Arin From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jan 14 19:16:22 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:16:22 -0500 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb In-Reply-To: <200301141247.HAA29112@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I have heard the Litmus demos and thought they were great. Do you guys have a CD fans can buy. I am from the USA and will not be able to see your band. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Simon Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:48 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Hello, Apologies for shamelessly plugging our gig but..... Just a reminder that Litmus are playing Feb 2nd at The Marquee supporting Arthur brown(!!!) and the Ozric Tentacles(!!!) If you want to catch our set, we're on quite early, 6:30 I think- in any case it will be a great evening. If anyone would like any info, can email me or litmus at litmusmusic.co.uk Booking details can be found at http://www.themarquee.com Cheers! Simon. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Jan 14 16:40:46 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:40:46 -0000 Subject: BOC: New CD in 2003 Message-ID: I'm not one of those sad losers who collects every different release slavishly (although I do have all the different catalogue numbered versions of the vinyl albums - but that was an accident!) - if it's another re-release of the "greatest hits" (which, in the UK would include "Don't Fear The Reaper" and nothing else, so quite a short album) then I'll be very disappointed. If it's actually another BOC album, I'll be there at the front of the queue on day of release. Cheers y'all, Rich. > >From EricBloom.net > > > January 8, 2003: New BOC CD in 2003 > > Exclusive to EricBloom.Net. JOIN NOW and see the latest details including > > title and tracklist in the members section. > > I don't have the dough to join, and I'm not asking for anyone to spill the > beans. Just thought I'd post that there will be a new CD. Now, will it be a > new studio album, another hits collection, or the Spectres reissue? Guess I > for one will have to wait and see. > > Brian > NP> The Brain Surgeons "Trepanation" > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jan 14 20:40:48 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:40:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:57:47PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: => On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: => => :Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris => : => :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: => :> Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. => : => :Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) => :reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ => => => => hey...not at all reminiscent of freebsd. Solaris is sys V based, not => bsd based. So more reminiscent of the other sys V based systems (aix, => hpux, irix, etc.) Indeed, Solaris is when Sun chose to leave the True Path[tm] of BSD they'd followed with their previous SunOS releases and munge in SysV-isms ("to get the best of both worlds"), resulting in the hybrid abomination that is Solaris... => ...and isn't a bad OS! We shall agree to disagree, then. ;-) (Actually, you can get get a "free"---as in [almost?] zero dollars---Solaris, but it's not "free" as in open source. Kind of like how you can get a "hobbyist licensed" version of Tru64 for those of us that have DEC Alphas...) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Jan 15 00:00:29 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:00:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Godzilla on Letterman Message-ID: Just had it on, and the houseband played the venerable riff institution, "Godzilla" as the newest member of the Yankees walked on to do the Top 10. Also done as the top 10 ended. Saving his pennies for Beach Party, J From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Jan 15 02:03:35 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:03:35 -0700 Subject: OFF: Solaris Message-ID: Solaris sucks! Nuff said! :-) Guido Paul Mather wrote: >On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:57:47PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >=> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: >=> >=> :Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris >=> : >=> :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: >=> :> Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. >=> : >=> :Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) >=> :reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ >=> >=> >=> >=> hey...not at all reminiscent of freebsd. Solaris is sys V based, not >=> bsd based. So more reminiscent of the other sys V based systems (aix, >=> hpux, irix, etc.) > >Indeed, Solaris is when Sun chose to leave the True Path[tm] of BSD >they'd followed with their previous SunOS releases and munge in >SysV-isms ("to get the best of both worlds"), resulting in the hybrid >abomination that is Solaris... > >=> ...and isn't a bad OS! > >We shall agree to disagree, then. ;-) > >(Actually, you can get get a "free"---as in [almost?] zero >dollars---Solaris, but it's not "free" as in open source. Kind of >like how you can get a "hobbyist licensed" version of Tru64 for those >of us that have DEC Alphas...) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 15 08:58:26 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:58:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Godzilla on Letterman In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030115000029.006910c4@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason wrote: > Just had it on, and > the houseband played the venerable > riff institution, "Godzilla" as > the newest member of the Yankees > walked on to do the Top 10. > Also done as the top 10 ended. Hideki Matsui was nicknamed "Godzilla" in the Japanese league because he's a power hitter. I bet the Yankee Stadium PA system will play Godzilla whenever Matsui comes up to bat. If he's any good, he might unwittingly end up selling a few BOC Greatest Hits comps. ;-) Brian NP> Joe Bonamassa "New Day Yesterday" History shows again and again Steinbrenner buys up The talented men From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Jan 15 09:51:48 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:51:48 -0700 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200301082357.SAA22597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I think it is a great idea. My plans to attend last years were thwarted by financial emergencies, and I welcome another chance. I'd like it to be solely kept to passport holders (friends and family accompanied by holders OK.) Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rik Rx Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 + + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this year. If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it pretty soon. Our main question is: If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders only this time? For details of Last Year's festie, follow this link: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht m MISSION CONTROL www.hawkwind.com ++++++MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Jan 15 11:41:56 2003 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:41:56 CST Subject: BOC: Free BOC on DirecTV In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:00:01 CST." <200301151000.FAA03581@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: This month's DirecTV brochure says that there's a free BOC concert showing weekends during January on DirecTV's channel 103. I suspect that it's highlights from "A Long Day's Night", but don't know for sure. (There's also a free Widespread Panic show this month as well.) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 15 11:42:44 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:42:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Solaris In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:57:47PM -0600 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:57:47PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eric Siegerman wrote: > > :Subject: Re: OFF: Solaris > : > :On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Mike Montfort wrote: > :> Is also a phenomenal Prog Rock band reminisent of Jethro Tull. > : > :Is *also* not-so-phenomenal operating system (vaguely) > :reminiscent of FreeBSD :-/ > > hey...not at all reminiscent of freebsd. Solaris is sys V based, not > bsd based. So more reminiscent of the other sys V based systems (aix, > hpux, irix, etc.) That's why I said *vaguely* reminiscent :-) I was trying to imply, "vaguely reminiscent of a decent UN*X"; guess that didn't come across. I've rarely heard anything good about the other SysV's you mention (AIX is sometimes nicknamed "aches and pains"), and the one other SysV I've used, Novell UnixWare, was truly horrid -- weird C2isms getting in the way all the time. (Linux isn't horrid because it's SysV, but only because all the distro's feel rather half-assed -- well, all the ones I've tried anyway.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 15 11:11:51 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:11:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Free BOC on DirecTV In-Reply-To: <200301151641.h0FGfuq21262@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: On 15 Jan 2003 at 10:41, Matthew Braun wrote: > This month's DirecTV brochure says that there's a free BOC concert > showing weekends during January on DirecTV's channel 103. I suspect > that it's highlights from "A Long Day's Night", but don't know for > sure. > You are correct, sir! But I'm pretty sure it's the whole concert. Buddy of mine recorded it. Doesn't have the 'special features' of the DVD, obviously... theo From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Jan 15 12:18:48 2003 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:18:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Free BOC on DirecTV Message-ID: > This month's DirecTV brochure says that there's a free BOC concert showing > weekends during January on DirecTV's channel 103. I suspect that it's > highlights from "A Long Day's Night", but don't know for sure. It is, indeed, highlights. Still fun, though it was probably not the best background noise for writing an NC-17 scene for my latest fic project.... -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 15 14:23:35 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:23:35 -0500 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: HI, Can someone send me the structure for this tree? At least my part. I printed it out and now I can't locate it. Thanks in advance. Cheers Stephe From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 15 14:55:12 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:55:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: Hello fellow Hawkwind..,But really, we are all at your mercy..we all live for the next 1 we can get to...I mean this...I can't depart U.K. while I know there's a chance that you're gonna weave your magic...you people keep many of us people going...and long may we all remain?! You list folks are the biz!!!!!!we love you lots! happy new 1! Yadnala. PS? Mr. Al. T? can u get in touch And Hi BEn + ALI! >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:23:52 -0600 > >On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Rik Rx wrote: > >:Subject: Re: HW: Summerfest 2003 >: >:+ + + + + +STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + >: >:Greetings and best wishes to all from Hawkwind for 2003 >: >:The band wondered if people would be interested in another Hawkfest this >:year. > >Um, yes! > >(although, unless it ends up being around the time of the wedding, I won't >be able to go :-( (sigh)) > >:If there is enough interest, then we will have to begin organising it >pretty >:soon. >: >:Our main question is: >:If it happens, would people still want it to be kept to passport holders >:only this time? > >I think having it be passport holders only was nice, just because of the >intimate feel. However, it's more important that the band be able to >recoup its costs, and if that necessitates a wider audience, then so be >it. > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Jan 14 16:43:11 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:43:11 -0000 Subject: Larry (DASLUD) Boyd Message-ID: Hi guys, I know some of you are keen to know how Larry's getting on - below are two emails I received in the last couple of days from Debi. Keep Larry in your thoughts, yeah? Cheers, Rich. ============================================================== Hi folks, I received a phone call yesterday from Larry's new Neurologist the official diagnosis, Larry is out of his coma! Larry CAN understand you or at least they think so. He is opening his eyes when spoken too. He cannot move his legs or arms. Several of his friends and myself have been telling the doctors for sometime we were getting responses from him finally, a doctor agrees. One of his closest friends went to see him yesterday after the news and there really isn't much change except he seems to be opening his eyes more when spoken to. If there is any more progress, it will come very slowly. It's a start.... Debi Hi Folks, I left something out Larry cannot speak...He seems to answer a few questions by blinking his eyes but this could be coincidence or not... They doctors believe Larry has Locked-In Syndrome... Keep Larry in your prayers Debi From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 15 18:06:40 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:06:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dig this antitrust suit against the industry In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030108183428.006927c4@acmenet.net>; from js3619@ACMENET.NET on Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:34:28PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:34:28PM -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm The judge handling the case is one "Honorable D. Brock Hornby of the District of Maine". Too funny! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 15 18:08:29 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:08:29 -0500 Subject: OFF:pet names In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:25:13PM -0600 Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:25:13PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > Random note, but cat in Japanese is neko ;-) Yah, I kind of thought there might be a K in there somewhere... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jan 15 20:49:58 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:49:58 -0500 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree In-Reply-To: <001501c2bccb$9948c020$c150a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Hi Stephe, I never saw the whole structure. Keith emailed it out on December 19 if that helps... I have been skimming through these discs, have not given them a thorough listen yet, but... This is a completely brilliant collection. It is truly amazing. Keith and Doug have done a tremendous job on this. Anybody that does not have a set is really missing out! Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree HI, Can someone send me the structure for this tree? At least my part. I printed it out and now I can't locate it. Thanks in advance. Cheers Stephe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 15 21:43:22 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:43:22 -0500 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:49:58 -0500, Chris Raymond wrote: >This is a completely brilliant collection. It is truly amazing. Keith and >Doug have done a tremendous job on this. Anybody that does not have a set >is really missing out! Just to clarify ... Keith deserves all the credit for vols. 5-8, I just transferred a couple songs and ran off the duplicates. Stephe, I'll try to dig up the tree structure when I get home tonight ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Wed Jan 15 23:53:31 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:53:31 +1100 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: 'evening all I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & try to limit the number to 10 artists. Here's mine, in no particular order Pink Floyd Dire Straits Petula Clark Fleetwood Mac Gary Numan The Angels Kraftwerk Metallica AC/DC Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 16 00:16:51 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:16:51 +0800 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: There's only one other artist on that list that I listen to, & that's Pink Floyd. Aside from that there is:- Deep Purple Sweet Golden Earring Utopia Gong Tangerine Dream (up to early 80's) White Noise (particularly Electric Storm In Hell) Bill Nelson John Foxx But there are a few more that I could add to that list (ie Brian Eno). William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: HW: Other Bands > 'evening all > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > Here's mine, in no particular order > > Pink Floyd > Dire Straits > Petula Clark > Fleetwood Mac > Gary Numan > The Angels > Kraftwerk > Metallica > AC/DC > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > > From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Thu Jan 16 01:09:00 2003 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:09:00 +1300 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: My answer respects the bias of the question towards popular genres, otherwise jazz saxophonist Billy Harper and classical composers like Arvo Part would dominate. I've also tried to cancel out mood by listing those artists I own the most records by; in this instance quantity is indicative of quality: - Robert Fripp solo - especially his 'Soundscapes' series - and with King Crimson; his signature sound gets inside my bones. - Fairport Convention: the early lineup with Richard Thompson, Sandy Denny, and Ian Matthews has haunted me for thirty years; my delight extends through their various (and erratic) solo projects. - Terry Callier, for his tender experimentation. - Mike Heron, both solo and with the Incredible String Band, for the innocence in his songs. - Robin Holcomb, for her knowing regret and her deft arrangements. - John Martyn, particularly his acoustic period, where he redeems slurring from the gutter. - Alain Stivell, who did not exactly invent Celtic music but certainly brought it to international attention. - Chris Whitley, for his determination to keep the blues moving rather than to rehash it like Clapton et al. - Soft Machine, because they were my bridge to jazz. - Dead Can Dance, who reduce me to silence. David Howard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 16 01:39:29 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:39:29 +0800 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: If I had the opportunity to add more to my previous list, I would have also added Early Fairport Convention, with Sandy Denny (Reynardine sends a chill up my spine!), & early King Crimson. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Howard & Kim Pieters" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > My answer respects the bias of the question towards popular genres, > otherwise jazz saxophonist Billy Harper and classical composers like Arvo > Part would dominate. I've also tried to cancel out mood by listing those > artists I own the most records by; in this instance quantity is indicative > of quality: > > - Robert Fripp solo - especially his 'Soundscapes' series - and with King > Crimson; his signature sound gets inside my bones. > - Fairport Convention: the early lineup with Richard Thompson, Sandy Denny, > and Ian Matthews has haunted me for thirty years; my delight extends through > their various (and erratic) solo projects. > - Terry Callier, for his tender experimentation. > - Mike Heron, both solo and with the Incredible String Band, for the > innocence in his songs. > - Robin Holcomb, for her knowing regret and her deft arrangements. > - John Martyn, particularly his acoustic period, where he redeems slurring > from the gutter. > - Alain Stivell, who did not exactly invent Celtic music but certainly > brought it to international attention. > - Chris Whitley, for his determination to keep the blues moving rather than > to rehash it like Clapton et al. > - Soft Machine, because they were my bridge to jazz. > - Dead Can Dance, who reduce me to silence. > > David Howard > > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Jan 16 02:00:59 2003 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 02:00:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <01ea01c2bd1b$3c2639e0$8c01a6cb@default> Message-ID: Current 10 Djam Karet Spacehead ST37 Floorian Krom Lek Lamp Of The Universe Greg Segal Pseudo Sun Friends Of Mescalito Spacious Mind Previous 10 (blues) Buddy Guy Allman Brothers Son Seals Mike Morgan Derek & The Dominos Kenny Blue Ray Sue Foley John Mayall Corey Harris Billy Branch Previous 10(jazz) John Coltrane Miles Davis Art Blakey Cannonball Adderly Bill Evans Thelonious Monk Duke Ellington Pat Metheny Dave Brubeck Sonny Rollins Next...that's enough for now. Jerry From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 16 02:46:23 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:46:23 +0100 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: > HI, Can someone send me the structure for this tree? At least > my part. I printed it out and now I can't locate it. Thanks > in advance. Cheers Stephe Here's your branch, Stephe...enjoy. Keith > Stephe Lindas* > 97 Bard Drive > Hudson Ohio 44236-3329 > lindas1 at adelphia.net > > Arin Komins > 100 Forest Place, #C4 > Oak Park, IL 60301 > denizen at pobox.com (akomins at uchicago.edu) > > John McIntyre > 309 N Fairview Ave > Lansing MI 48912-3109 > United States > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > > Jay Guthrie > 1928 Fairacres Ave > Pittsburgh, PA > 15216 USA > siriusbe at yahoo.com > > Bryan Pitkin > 8 Duh Drive #323 > Bethlehem PA 18015 > E-mail: bpp2 at lehigh.edu From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 16 02:47:31 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:47:31 +0100 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: Damn...another personal post sent to the list. And now another wasted apologetic post to the list explaining my error. Schade...Grakkl (FAA) From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 03:21:38 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:21:38 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still get it? From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 03:43:44 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:43:44 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <200301160821.DAA07903@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: White Zone is a Brilliant album of very technical music and white noise but not Techno or Danceable in any way. Not everybody likes it, my mate called it "shite zone". It's anything but, I love it! On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 8:21 am, you wrote: > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still get > it? From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Jan 16 04:05:11 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:05:11 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: I don't have this, but I do remember that it was an ambient noodling from HW (under the aforementioned pseudonym) The opinion at the time was if you lliked 'It is the Business of the Future.....' then you would like TWZ. Doesn't do it for me, but I know some do like it. Cheers Neil. From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Jan 16 04:13:38 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 04:13:38 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: i do have a copy of this and indeed it does have a very "techno" feel about it, but also very obviously "hawkwind at the same time". i can't remember if it was released before or after it is the future... but IMHO the two go very much "hand in hand" once you have read this why not visit the new website www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk which is being set up by myself and my friend simon. it is in the very early stages of design and construction so please do not be put off by the lack of content, but we would appreciate your thoughts either positive or negative, on what we are trying to achieve and also would welcome any comments - suggestions, there is a guestbook, a visitor profile + email links so there is no excuse to not get in touch!!!! regards dave From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 16 04:24:42 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 04:24:42 -0500 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: Arin sent me the structure for my part. I can't wait to hear them. Thank you, Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Covers All 5-8 tree > Hi Stephe, > I never saw the whole structure. Keith emailed it out on December 19 if that > helps... > > I have been skimming through these discs, have not given them a thorough > listen yet, but... > > This is a completely brilliant collection. It is truly amazing. Keith and > Doug have done a tremendous job on this. Anybody that does not have a set is > really missing out! > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Stephe Lindas > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:24 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree > > > HI, Can someone send me the structure for this tree? At least my part. I > printed it out and now I can't locate it. Thanks in advance. Cheers Stephe From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 16 04:48:13 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:48:13 +0800 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: It was released bere "Business", & I don't think it is like that album at all. The only similarity is that this one is all instrumental, which the other almost was, but I think there's a lot more creativity on this one. I also think it is much heavier. William > i do have a copy of this and indeed it does have a very "techno" feel > about it, but also very obviously "hawkwind at the same time". i can't > remember if it was released before or after it is the future... but IMHO > the two go very much "hand in hand" > > once you have read this why not visit the new website > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk which is being set up by myself and my friend > simon. it is in the very early stages of design and construction so please > do not be put off by the lack of content, but we would appreciate your > thoughts either positive or negative, on what we are trying to achieve and > also would welcome any comments - suggestions, there is a guestbook, a > visitor profile + email links so there is no excuse to not get in touch!!!! > regards > dave > > From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 04:52:02 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:52:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: SOME INTERESTING COLLECTIONS OUT THERE GROOVERS!! HERE'S MINE MUST START OFF WITH THE AMAZING 1 SEVENTH WAVE (PSI FI) -YOU REALLY NEED TO HEAR THIS 70S ALBUM 2. ALL GENTLE GIANT ALBUMS 3. BILL NELSON (SUNBURST FINISH AND SOLO PROJECTS) 4. NEIL ARDLEY (KALEIDOSCOPE OF COLOURS) 5. NIK KERSHAW (NEW ALBUM -SIMPLY GREAT1) 6. COSMOSIS (INTERGALACTIC, COSMOLOGY ETC) 7 SHAMANIC TRIBES ON ACID 8. BLACK SABBATH 9. REVOLUTIONARY DUB WARRIORS 10. BLACK UHURU >From: William Duffy >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:16:51 +0800 > >There's only one other artist on that list that I listen to, & that's Pink >Floyd. Aside from that there is:- > >Deep Purple >Sweet >Golden Earring >Utopia >Gong >Tangerine Dream (up to early 80's) >White Noise (particularly Electric Storm In Hell) >Bill Nelson >John Foxx > > >But there are a few more that I could add to that list (ie Brian Eno). > >William > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allan Sharpe" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:53 PM >Subject: HW: Other Bands > > > > 'evening all > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list >& > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > Here's mine, in no particular order > > > > Pink Floyd > > Dire Straits > > Petula Clark > > Fleetwood Mac > > Gary Numan > > The Angels > > Kraftwerk > > Metallica > > AC/DC > > > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means >something - > > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From admin at SHROPS.NET Thu Jan 16 05:11:45 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:11:45 -0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi... Heres my List 1 Budgie 2 Motorhead 3 Pink Floyd 4 Black Sabbath 5 Rammstein 6 Bap 7 Wishbone Ash 8 Scorpions 9 Lloyd Langton Band 10 Sisters of Mercy I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them Pete www.budgie.uk.com From Mark.Gorst at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 16 05:07:07 2003 From: Mark.Gorst at BTINTERNET.COM (Mark Gorst) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:07:07 -0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: You can get it at www.101cd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > It was released bere "Business", & I don't think it is like that album at > all. The only similarity is that this one is all instrumental, which the > other almost was, but I think there's a lot more creativity on this one. I > also think it is much heavier. > > William > > > > i do have a copy of this and indeed it does have a very "techno" feel > > about it, but also very obviously "hawkwind at the same time". i can't > > remember if it was released before or after it is the future... but IMHO > > the two go very much "hand in hand" > > > > once you have read this why not visit the new website > > www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk which is being set up by myself and my friend > > simon. it is in the very early stages of design and construction so please > > do not be put off by the lack of content, but we would appreciate your > > thoughts either positive or negative, on what we are trying to achieve and > > also would welcome any comments - suggestions, there is a guestbook, a > > visitor profile + email links so there is no excuse to not get in > touch!!!! > > regards > > dave > > > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Jan 16 05:20:10 2003 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 05:20:10 EST Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi Top ten of others.... Eliza Carthy ( awesome fiddler & daughter of martin carthy the folk institute himself. Fairport Convention ( and family RT & IM both very cool dudes) The Sonics ( 60's garage dudes) Black rebel Motorcycle Club ( some very hawkwind / Cure crossovers going on their) Dreadzone All Reggae ( can't split it as I listen to so much) Thomas Mapfumo - Music at its most most hipnotic Rizwan Muzzwan Qawwali ( sufi music, in fact I love Indian music aswell All 60's Garage US & UK... ( hense me being in a 60's garage band Shooglenifty - If you understand the modern revival of traditional scottish music you'll know about this lot, and the likes of the peatbog faeries. regards iain From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Thu Jan 16 06:17:05 2003 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:17:05 -0500 Subject: Other Bands Message-ID: Other bands: Can Thin White Rope Guided By Voices The Smiths / Morrissey Cocteau Twins Pale Saints Husker Du Dinosaur Jr Sonic Youth Tangerine Dream Klaus Schulze Stereolab John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Thu Jan 16 06:18:41 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:18:41 +0100 Subject: HW:other bands Message-ID: Fairly interesting thread.. These are the ten bands besides HW I am listening to a lot these days. Ole Lukk?ye (Russian pyshcedelic trance rock) The Spacious Mind (Just got the new Live digipack CD!) Gas Giant (Heavy psychedelic space rock- new CD Mana, out in 2003!) Motorpsycho (great norweigen jam band. Studio lps are too pop but the live shows are brilliant!) WE (Norweigen psychdelic rock band) Alien Planetscapes (the ultimate far out space jazz band) Gov't Mule (my current fave band) Ozric Tentacles (no intro needed!) Awaiting the DVD of the Pongmasters Ball Kingston Wall (incredible Finnish psychedelic guitar rock band) Monster magnet (always been a huge fan... Ever heard them play The Right Stuff?? Pretty cool... scott From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 06:28:40 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:28:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Other bands: 60s/70s (and beyond in some cases): Led Zeppelin Captain Beefheart Can Faust Pink Floyd Jimi Hendrix MC5 Gong Roy Harper Pink Fairies 70s/80s/90s: Coil Residents Aphex Twin Jah Wobble Dead Can Dance African Head Charge Lee 'Scratch' Perry Wagonchrist The Damned The Fall Throbbing Gristle The Orb Acid Mothers Temple Nurse With Wound Other: Iannis Xenakis songs of 14th century troubadours humpback whale sounds the eerie noises in my head at 3am Is that enough for starters? Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 06:35:36 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:35:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Just saw John Majka's post and realised I committed the cardinal sin of omitting Sonic Youth and Husker Du. Have a few Thin White Rope albums too, definitely had their moments. And how could I forget Suicide... .. and early Sabbath... ..and Cardiacs.. and Swans.. on and on it goes, but I'll stop now. NM From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 06:15:03 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:15:03 EDT Subject: Re HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <002301c2bd47$ac946810$1634a8c0@OSNET.local> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > > Pete > www.budgie.uk.com Ok, fisherman, what's Budgie up to these days? Any US gigs on the horizon? theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 07:43:24 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:13:24 +1030 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Space Mirrors Tangerine Dream The Doors Alan Davy / Bedouin Starfield Alien Dream (und hawkvind) ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Sharpe To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: HW: Other Bands > 'evening all > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > Here's mine, in no particular order > > Pink Floyd > Dire Straits > Petula Clark > Fleetwood Mac > Gary Numan > The Angels > Kraftwerk > Metallica > AC/DC > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 07:44:13 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:14:13 +1030 Subject: Covers All 5-8 tree Message-ID: busted ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Henderson Keith To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Covers All 5-8 tree > Damn...another personal post sent to the list. And now another wasted > apologetic post to the list explaining my error. Schade...Grakkl (FAA) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 07:45:14 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:15:14 +1030 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: sounds like something I might like ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Shilladay To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > I don't have this, but I do remember that it was an ambient noodling from > HW (under the aforementioned pseudonym) > The opinion at the time was if you lliked 'It is the Business of the > Future.....' then you would like TWZ. > Doesn't do it for me, but I know some do like it. > > Cheers > Neil. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 16 08:08:53 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:08:53 +0800 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hurray - a Zeppelin fan :-) My other bands are: Yes 7% Solution (only have one CD but it's a beaut) Ozric Tentacles Pink Floyd Rush Jefferson Starship (up to Nuclear Furniture) Dream Theatre (a new one for me) Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Other bands: > > 60s/70s (and beyond in some cases): > > Led Zeppelin > Captain Beefheart > Can > Faust > Pink Floyd > Jimi Hendrix > MC5 > Gong > Roy Harper > Pink Fairies > > > 70s/80s/90s: > > Coil > Residents > Aphex Twin > Jah Wobble > Dead Can Dance > African Head Charge > Lee 'Scratch' Perry > Wagonchrist > The Damned > The Fall > Throbbing Gristle > The Orb > Acid Mothers Temple > Nurse With Wound > > Other: > > Iannis Xenakis > songs of 14th century troubadours > humpback whale sounds > the eerie noises in my head at 3am > > > Is that enough for starters? > > Nick > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 16 08:10:17 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:10:17 +0800 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Tis a good one. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > sounds like something I might like > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Shilladay > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > I don't have this, but I do remember that it was an ambient noodling from > > HW (under the aforementioned pseudonym) > > The opinion at the time was if you lliked 'It is the Business of the > > Future.....' then you would like TWZ. > > Doesn't do it for me, but I know some do like it. > > > > Cheers > > Neil. > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 16 08:18:13 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:18:13 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <200301160821.DAA07903@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Fantastic CD ________________________________ Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- E. W. Dijkstra ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Dr _ Technical ::->Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:22 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone ::-> ::-> ::->Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here ::->http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla ::->and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can ::->you still get ::->it? From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 16 08:24:06 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:24:06 -0500 Subject: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <01ea01c2bd1b$3c2639e0$8c01a6cb@default> Message-ID: No order and no way to keep it to 10 The Other Ones Genesis and ex-Genesis String Cheese Incident Yes Jean Luc Ponty Monster Magnet Ozrics T. Dream Camel Magma Flower Kings Isuldurs Bane Nektar Rush High Wheel Anglagard And many more. With Prog literally exploding with new bands and resurgent old bands it's hard to keep up. Almost like the laste 70's! MM ________________________________ Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- E. W. Dijkstra From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 16 08:26:16 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:26:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Quimby CD Message-ID: Oh, just passing along another item that might be of some interest to someone here. (Note: Since this is second-hand, none of your money would go directly to one Mr. Dave Anderson of Powys, Wales. Which, in a sense, it would had you bought it new...when it was still 'in print.') http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2500255265&category=1572 Grakkl (FAA) From anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 09:02:10 2003 From: anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM (Simon Litmus) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:02:10 -0500 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: Hi Chris, We're 'working' on a CD at the moment which will have 6 new songs + things. (the tape demos are quite old now...) We had hoped to have it finished by the end of last year but for various reasons(not just that I haven't finished my words) it's probably going to be later, maybe this spring. If you like, I'll email you when its available- let me know. Cheers, all the best, Simon. > >Do you guys have a CD fans can buy. I am from the USA and will not be able to see your band. >Thanks, >Chris > From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Jan 16 09:17:56 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:17:56 +0000 Subject: Other Bands Message-ID: (in no particular order....) Rainbow (esp with Dio, although I like all vintages) Iron Maiden (me & my mates always demanded Number of the Beast to be played at school discos when it came out) Deep Purple (ok I admit it, I am a Blackmore fan) Jethro Tull (same lad who got me into HW got me inot Tull at the same time) Bob Marley (always lifts my spirits) Alice Cooper (esp live !) Led Zepplin (the DBs. 'nuff said) Rush (early stuff) Ministry (*the* most intense noise makers I've ever seen live) Nick Drake (the man wrote beautiful music, may he RIP) Cheers Neil. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 09:15:52 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:15:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <17e.1553daf6.2b57e15a@aol.com> Message-ID: My Top 10 Bevis Frond Guided By Voices Blue Oyster Cult Olivia Tremor Control Brain Surgeons Elvis Costello Deep Purple King Crimson The Cult The Dead Milkmen Honorable mention (as of last week): The Twelve Caesars From jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE Thu Jan 16 10:13:06 2003 From: jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE (Jean Collin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:13:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Belgian hawk fans tend to listen to : - Korai ?r?m - Masf?l (both stunning Hungarian ethno psychedelic cult bands) - Spacious Mind (Swedish space rock) - Death in Vegas - Mogwai - Afro Celt Sound System - Gong - Ozrics - Ole Lukkoye (psychelic grooves from Russia) - Circle (Finnish space rock ? la Can/Magma) - At 09:52 16/01/03 +0000, you wrote: >BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 09:29:22 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:29:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: OK, time to play too.... In no particular order: godspeed you black emperor! Dead Can Dance Man Porcupine Tree Yes BOC Pink Floyd The Levellers Grateful Dead Rain Parade But of course, I'd come up with a different list tomorrow.. Dave From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 16 10:15:48 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:15:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Just of late... Guru Guru Laika Stereolab Farflung Circle Supertramp The Pursuit of Happiness Man Saxon Porucupine Tree and of course, the Cheeky Girls. How could I forget? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Touch my bum. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 10:17:28 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <01a101c2bd71$257e8d40$ec3a70c2@merlinas> Message-ID: Dave Bottomley wrote: > OK, time to play too.... > > In no particular order: > > godspeed you black emperor! Yes, but what is your opinion of Godspeed You! Black Emperor. I think they're excellent as well. ;-) Brian How bizarre of them, changing the position of the exclamation point like that. They're whole persona is a brilliant marketing device, whether they intend it or not. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 16 10:30:10 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:30:10 -0500 Subject: Litmus gig 2nd Feb Message-ID: Hi Simon, let me know too. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Litmus" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Litmus gig 2nd Feb > Hi Chris, > We're 'working' on a CD at the moment which will have 6 new songs + > things. (the tape demos are quite old now...) We had hoped to have it > finished by the end of last year but for various reasons(not just that I > haven't finished my words) it's probably going to be later, maybe this > spring. If you like, I'll email you when its available- let me know. > Cheers, all the best, > Simon. > > > > > >Do you guys have a CD fans can buy. I am from the USA and will not be able > to see your band. > >Thanks, > >Chris > > > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 11:13:35 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:13:35 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party Message-ID: Hey Al, Just salivating over here. It's not a pretty sight. Is there anything more you'd like to share about the new album? Maybe pop a track over on your MP3 site? Is Steve Brodner doing the album cover again? Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 10:24:30 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:24:30 EDT Subject: off: joe b. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 11:13, Brian Halligan wrote: > Hey Al, > > Just salivating over here. It's not a pretty sight. Is there anything > more you'd like to share about the new album? Maybe pop a track over > on your MP3 site? Is Steve Brodner doing the album cover again? > > Brian Hey, you mentioned Joe Bonamassa. Are you going to the Milestones gig tonight? theo From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 11:13:44 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:13:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: >> godspeed you black emperor! > >Yes, but what is your opinion of Godspeed You! Black Emperor. I think >they're excellent as well. ;-) Yeah; but punctuation was, never my strong point? But yes, both bands are indeed terrific :@) Dave From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jan 16 06:08:55 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:08:55 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: I believe it still available from cdnow.com,that's where i got mine. tim 8>)... Dr _ Technical wrote: > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still get > it? From admin at SHROPS.NET Thu Jan 16 11:16:36 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:16:36 -0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi... There is a New York gig and maybe more later in the year Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re HW: Other Bands > On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > > > I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > > > > Pete > > www.budgie.uk.com > > Ok, fisherman, what's Budgie up to these days? Any US gigs on the horizon? > > theo From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 11:33:01 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: >On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > >> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them >> >> Pete >> www.budgie.uk.com What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but I've never heard anything by them AFAIK. Nick From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 16 11:34:37 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:34:37 +0100 Subject: Re OFF: Other Birds Message-ID: >>> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them >>> >>> www.budgie.uk.com > > What do Budgie actually sound like? They sing with sort of a 'chirping' sound. Sorry, I couldn't resist. :) Grakkl (FAA) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 11:37:49 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:37:49 -0500 Subject: off: joe b. In-Reply-To: <3E26966D.10872.E9BF49@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Hey, you mentioned Joe Bonamassa. Are you going to the Milestones gig > tonight? Yeah. My girlfriend and I will be there. MP3.com sent me a chance to get free tickets, but it looks like I didn't get them. Brian P.S. The local free rag mentioned that Joe was from Syracuse. Here's to well-researched journalism! ;-) From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 11:41:51 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:41:51 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still get > > it? I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds rather uninspired to me. Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 10:43:53 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:43:53 EDT Subject: Re HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <200301161633.LAA10979@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 11:33, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but > I've never heard anything by them AFAIK. > Didn't Metallica cover one of their tunes? Considering that they also covered a B?C tune, it's a wonder they don't have better taste in writing their own material! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 10:46:23 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:46:23 EDT Subject: off: joe b. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 11:37, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo wrote: > > > Hey, you mentioned Joe Bonamassa. Are you going to the Milestones > > gig tonight? > > Yeah. My girlfriend and I will be there. MP3.com sent me a chance to > get free tickets, but it looks like I didn't get them. > > Brian > > P.S. The local free rag mentioned that Joe was from Syracuse. Here's > to well-researched journalism! ;-) Howls! Last time here about a couple months ago he drew a pretty small crowd, which is too bad. What kind of joint is Milestones? Don't think I can make it tonight, given the freakin' snow we've been getting and all... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 12:14:28 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:14:28 -0500 Subject: off: joe b. In-Reply-To: <3E269B8D.8384.FDC518@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > What kind of joint is Milestones? Don't think I can make it tonight, given > the freakin' > snow we've been getting and all... Milestones is the best bar venue in Rochester. It can hold a couple hundred people. Big stage (for a bar), good beer, professional sound, though it's a little too loud sometimes, and an outdoor patio for those months when it's not snowing a mountain on our heads. For some bands they leave tables in front of the stage, but most of the time they clear the area to pack the most people in as possible. I guess the best thing to say about the place is that bands keep coming back there year after year. I've seen John Brown's Body (reggae), Danu (Trad. Irish) Project/Object (Zappa tribute band with Ike Willis) and now Joe Bonamassa there multiple times. I always thought it would be great if the Brain Surgeons could play there, but I don't know what the logistics behind that would be. Brian From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 16 12:25:30 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:25:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: 10 recent(ish) purchases: Bardo Pond Circle Can Porcupine Tree Ozric Tentacles Mercury Rev Ship of Fools Anubian Lights Pressurehed Chrome 10 from the general playlist: Pink Floyd Black Sabbath The Only Ones The Stranglers William Orbit The Nazz Todd Rundgren Yes Steve Hillage Pere Ubu Steve From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jan 16 12:37:03 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:37:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Military Aircraft Customer Survey Message-ID: This is one of those funny things making the rounds. 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If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg and egg whites, whisk, and place in a warm oven for 40 minutes. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 12:09:39 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:09:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Military Aircraft Customer Survey In-Reply-To: <20030116123703.I29338@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 12:37, Eric Siegerman wrote: > [_] Lt. > [_] Gen. I guess all those captains and majors and colonels will have to flap their arms real hard or walk. I doubt that many Generals get behind the stick too much, as it were, or Lts. for that matter! theo From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 13:10:35 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:10:35 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Thanks all. Its got to be worth a go. I'll get 'its the business..' at the same time as I haaven't got it yet.:) From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jan 16 13:22:07 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:22:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Wallflowers Wildhearts Cheap Trick Alison Krauss Fleetwood Mac (all incarnations) Sash Bucks Fizz (don't say one word!!!) Linkin Park KD Laing Bad English now there's s list you mite not expect............ Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: HW: Other Bands > 'evening all > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > Here's mine, in no particular order > > Pink Floyd > Dire Straits > Petula Clark > Fleetwood Mac > Gary Numan > The Angels > Kraftwerk > Metallica > AC/DC > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Jan 16 13:27:06 2003 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:27:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: My current Top 10 in no particular order: Blue ?yster Cult Pseudo Sun Golden Earring Gov?t Mule Robert Plant Camel Liquid Visions Green Pajamas Jimi Hendrix Julian Cope From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Thu Jan 16 13:29:53 2003 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alistair Ogilvy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:29:53 EST Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: I like this Game !! ...For me its ; Pink Floyd Ozrics Afro Celts Alan Stivell Miles Davies..(Rockier stuff only..ie: Bitches brew, Black beauty, Jack johnson etc.) Peatbog Faeries (Honest ..Check em out, Brilliant celtic psych rock !) Traffic Dhol Foundation Hendrix Tom Rapp From kruch7 at COX.NET Thu Jan 16 13:31:58 2003 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:31:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Well here is what is in my machine in the living room at the moment ken Oingo Boingo Monkeys Adam ant moody blues B 52 King Crimson Rush Dead Kennedy's ELO Alan parsons project Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > > 'evening all > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > Here's mine, in no particular order From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jan 16 13:22:29 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:22:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Whatever happened to Starfield anyway? And I'm surprised no one's listed The Flying Creamshots, one of John Peel's faves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Space Mirrors > Tangerine Dream > The Doors > Alan Davy / Bedouin > Starfield > Alien Dream > > (und hawkvind) > > ------------------------------------------------ > Cpt Blue Skin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allan Sharpe > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:23 PM > Subject: HW: Other Bands > > > > 'evening all > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > Here's mine, in no particular order > > > > Pink Floyd > > Dire Straits > > Petula Clark > > Fleetwood Mac > > Gary Numan > > The Angels > > Kraftwerk > > Metallica > > AC/DC > > > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means > something - > > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 13:32:08 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:32:08 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <200301161641.LAA11183@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: It's certainly a mixture of various environmental experiences from around the world. I like the painal bit where you can make out a girls screams as if halfway between extasy and agony, listen to the title track and see what I mean. On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 4:41 pm, you wrote: > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > > get > > > > it? > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > rather uninspired to me. > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > Nick From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 13:27:56 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:27:56 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <200301161641.LAA11183@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 4:41 pm, you wrote: > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > > get > > > > it? > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > rather uninspired to me. > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > Nick From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 13:43:00 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:43:00 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:48:13 +0800 From: William Duffy Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone >It was released bere "Business", & I don't think it is >like that album at all. The only similarity is that >this one is all instrumental, which the other almost >was, but I think there's a lot more creativity on this >one. I also think it is much heavier. >William I bought this when it came out in the cheap bin and wondered what kind of Hawkwind release it was. Parts of it was later remixed for Dave Brock's "Strange Dreams And Pipe Dreams" if I remember correctly. It is very much an album in the style of "IITBOTFTBD", rather ambient really. > i do have a copy of this and indeed it does have a very "techno" feel > about it, but also very obviously "hawkwind at the same time". i can't > remember if it was released before or after it is the future... but IMHO > the two go very much "hand in hand" I think it came out right before. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 13:47:45 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:47:45 +0000 Subject: HW: The Hawkwind Electric Library has moved! Message-ID: BOC-L, Please update your links; the "The Hawkwind Electric Library" website has been updated with new information. The old eunet URL is for some strange reason still functional after they closed my account there, but it lacks the updates like the radio playlist. Go to http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/hawkwind.html ...and tell your friends.... :) Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Jan 16 14:10:05 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:10:05 -0700 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030116160801.0201b710@pop.tiscalinet.be> Message-ID: Fun thread: 1 Gong 2 Klaus Schulze 3 Ash Ra (all manifestations) 4 Phonoroid 5 Eno 6 Popul Vuh 7 VDGG 8 surf music (Man or Astroman, Mermen, Los Strait Jackets, etc.) 9 Warlocks 10 Eloy Mark From admin at SHROPS.NET Thu Jan 16 14:34:01 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:34:01 -0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi.. Budgie sound like a typical 70's heavy rock band.... Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > >On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > > > >> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > >> > >> Pete > >> www.budgie.uk.com > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but I've > never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > Nick From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 16 14:32:41 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:32:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: I would have included Starfield (& Star Nation) were it not for the 'no HW friends or relations' exclusion clause. Any news on the next album? Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:22:29 -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >Whatever happened to Starfield anyway? From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Jan 16 15:19:21 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:19:21 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: Its a good album, and one of the few I play straight through - . I don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but it should be Psych.Warriors, not Warlords. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Jan 16 16:04:55 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:04:55 +0300 Subject: ICU: new anatomy lyrics Message-ID: > Hello, > > can anyone help me with finding lyrics to New Anatomy album, please? > > cheers, > Alisa > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Jan 16 16:09:00 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:09:00 +0300 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: only few of what I listen to... Pressurehed (& related) Helios Creed Amorphis Blind Guardian Bathory Mortiis Ozric Tentacles Tiamat Lake of Tears Ayreon I could write more... cheers, Alisa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 16:10:37 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:40:37 +1030 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: My ex wife had an album called - If I were britania I'd waive the rules. It was quite a cool rock sound. (for lack of a better analogy - and a slightly hazy memory --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > >On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > > > >> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > >> > >> Pete > >> www.budgie.uk.com > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but I've > never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > Nick > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 16:14:10 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:44:10 +1030 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: I think I will bump this one to the top of the list - Im very curious now --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > get > > > it? > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > rather uninspired to me. > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > Nick From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 16 16:49:05 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:49:05 -0500 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <001901c2bda3$b86a7a60$2ce7223f@laptop> Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > My ex wife had an album called - If I were britania I'd waive the rules. It > was quite a cool rock sound. (for lack of a better analogy - and a slightly > hazy memory My college radio station had a couple of their albums. One I think had an illustration of Budgie birds in space suits. I remember playing "Crash Course in Brain Surgery" on my show, because it was the track that Metallica covered.... Brian BA-a-da-DA-d-da BA-a-da-DA-d-da BA-da BA-da BA-da BA-da.... From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 16 16:56:20 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Ten musicians/acts who have been getting lots of play recently ... Velvet Underground John Fahey Dead Moon Kinks Lee "Scratch" Perry Black Sabbath Love Miles Davis (esp. Bitches Brew through Pangaea/Agharta) Soft Machine (plus Ayers' & Wyatt's solo albums) Ramones Ask me tomorrow, and I'll probably come up with a completely different list ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jan 16 16:59:09 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:59:09 -0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Ah yes Budgie!!!!!! First band I ever saw live - amazing trio - their first five albums are essential seventies rock but "Never Turn Your Back " is perfection Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > My ex wife had an album called - If I were britania I'd waive the rules. It > was quite a cool rock sound. (for lack of a better analogy - and a slightly > hazy memory > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:03 AM > Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > > > > >On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > > > > > >> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > > >> > > >> Pete > > >> www.budgie.uk.com > > > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but I've > > never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > > > Nick > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 17:00:46 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:30:46 +1030 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: thats ok Andy. we're no giggling here . :P actually I could have written quite a bizarre list of alternate bands to rival your list but they are further doon the list. It's all good to the ear of the beholder. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Garibaldi To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Wallflowers > Wildhearts > Cheap Trick > Alison Krauss > Fleetwood Mac (all incarnations) > Sash > Bucks Fizz (don't say one word!!!) > Linkin Park > KD Laing > Bad English > now there's s list you mite not expect............ > Andy G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:53 AM > Subject: HW: Other Bands > > > > 'evening all > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > Here's mine, in no particular order > > > > Pink Floyd > > Dire Straits > > Petula Clark > > Fleetwood Mac > > Gary Numan > > The Angels > > Kraftwerk > > Metallica > > AC/DC > > > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means > something - > > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 15:17:05 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:17:05 +0000 Subject: other bands Message-ID: Great thread. Mine, not limiting to 10: Kingston Wall (I agree with Scott Heller on this band. Where is Carl Edlund Anderson when you need him?) Third World War (their first album from 1971, terrorism tributing the last skinhead of the 1960's...) Entombed ("Clandestine" and "Morning Star" albums) Venom ("A Thousand Days In Sodom" has to be my fave treatsie on 60's skinhead) Tiamat ("The Astral Sleep" and "Skeleton Skeletron" are my fave albums by Edlund and Co.) Metallica (esp. "Master of Puppets" and "Sanitarium" off MoP when smoking hash) Vo?vod (just got a bunch of live CDR boots from a guy in France, Vo?vod are the stuff of legend) The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band (fave albums are "Golden Light", "Global Brain" and "Cosmic Dialogues", fantastic psych/folk) 13th Floor Elevators (I enjoy their three albums immensely, and find "Bull Of The Woods" to be rather underrated) The Legendary Pink Dots ("Faces In The Fire" and "Asylum" are two favorites, as well as parts of "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By" and "Legendary Pink Box") MC5 ("Back In The USA" - Ron Tyner was a hero after all, and this was the skinhead album bar none and a classic in the Marines...) Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 17:06:14 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:36:14 +1030 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: You tell us Captain :) feel free to do a gig over my way. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Whatever happened to Starfield anyway? > > And I'm surprised no one's listed The Flying Creamshots, one of John Peel's > faves. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > > > Space Mirrors > > Tangerine Dream > > The Doors > > Alan Davy / Bedouin > > Starfield > > Alien Dream > > > > (und hawkvind) > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Cpt Blue Skin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Allan Sharpe > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:23 PM > > Subject: HW: Other Bands > > > > > > > 'evening all > > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list > & > > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > > Here's mine, in no particular order > > > > > > Pink Floyd > > > Dire Straits > > > Petula Clark > > > Fleetwood Mac > > > Gary Numan > > > The Angels > > > Kraftwerk > > > Metallica > > > AC/DC > > > > > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > > > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means > > something - > > > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > > > Allan Sharpe > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 17:08:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:38:35 +1030 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: I waived the rules - lol on my planet we have no word for rules nii! --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Youles To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > I would have included Starfield (& Star Nation) were it not for the 'no HW > friends or relations' exclusion clause. Any news on the next album? > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:22:29 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > wrote: > > >Whatever happened to Starfield anyway? > From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Jan 16 17:12:48 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:12:48 -0700 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <3E269AF7.6203.FB7C44@localhost> Message-ID: And for any Judas Priest fans out there, Budgie originally did "Better My You, Better Than Me" (although it is possible that I'm confusing them with Spooky Tooth....?) KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Ted Jackson > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:44 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > > > On 16 Jan 2003 at 11:33, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but > > I've never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > > Didn't Metallica cover one of their tunes? Considering that they > also covered a B?C > tune, it's a wonder they don't have better taste in writing their > own material! > > theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 17:11:45 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:41:45 +1030 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: that sounds like the same one - budgies in space suits with little space helmets on --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > > My ex wife had an album called - If I were britania I'd waive the rules. It > > was quite a cool rock sound. (for lack of a better analogy - and a slightly > > hazy memory > > My college radio station had a couple of their albums. One I think had an > illustration of Budgie birds in space suits. I remember playing "Crash > Course in Brain Surgery" on my show, because it was the track that Metallica > covered.... > > Brian > > BA-a-da-DA-d-da BA-a-da-DA-d-da BA-da BA-da BA-da BA-da.... From admin at SHROPS.NET Thu Jan 16 17:20:29 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:20:29 -0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi... We have not long come back from San Antonio Texas where we recorded a live album (Budgie). We appeard with Judas Priest. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > And for any Judas Priest fans out there, Budgie originally did "Better My > You, Better Than Me" (although it is possible that I'm confusing them with > Spooky Tooth....?) > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Ted Jackson > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:44 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > > > > > > On 16 Jan 2003 at 11:33, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > > > > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but > > > I've never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > > > > Didn't Metallica cover one of their tunes? Considering that they > > also covered a B?C > > tune, it's a wonder they don't have better taste in writing their > > own material! > > > > theo From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 16 17:45:03 2003 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:45:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Peter Tosh Marrianne Faithful Tom Waits Discharge The Prodigy Prince Buster Linton Kwezi Johnson Jools Holland Joy Division Sam Cooke >From: Allan Sharpe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Other Bands >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:53:31 +1100 > >'evening all >I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & >thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. >Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like >Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & >try to limit the number to 10 artists. >Here's mine, in no particular order > >Pink Floyd >Dire Straits >Petula Clark >Fleetwood Mac >Gary Numan >The Angels >Kraftwerk >Metallica >AC/DC > >Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I >listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - >Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). >Allan Sharpe >sharpies at idx.com.au _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 17:54:18 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:54:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: I'll try for 10, no particular order - here we go! System of A Down Demon Kings X Astralasia Pink Floyd Poisoned Electrik Head Cooper Temple Clause Muse Anthrax There's about another 50/60 who could have been number 10 but none of them are up there with the nine above. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: HW: Other Bands > 'evening all > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > Here's mine, in no particular order > > Pink Floyd > Dire Straits > Petula Clark > Fleetwood Mac > Gary Numan > The Angels > Kraftwerk > Metallica > AC/DC > > Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I > listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - > Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 16 17:58:56 2003 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:58:56 +0000 Subject: Other Bands Message-ID: :-) Gong ( Solo) Ozric Tentacles Mr Quimbys Beard Afro Celt Sound System Banco De Gaia Astralasia Pressurehed/Anubian Lights ( related) All About Eve The Mission (upto Carved in Sand) New Model Army ( solo) As Ever there could be many more :-) :-) Rich W From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 16 18:00:44 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:00:44 EST Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: deep purple black sabbath ac/dc ramones cheap trick ufo thin lizzy budgie judas priest voivod (i put voivod's name on any list i make... fave movies? top ten restaurants? etc) From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 18:05:06 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:05:06 +0000 Subject: Way OFF - Miles Davis Q In-Reply-To: <200301162156.QAA14059@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: --- Doug Pearson wrote: > Ten musicians/acts who have been getting lots of > play recently ... > Miles Davis (esp. Bitches Brew through > Pangaea/Agharta) This reminds me - did any of you (UK) folks see "Happiness" on Tuesday night BBC2 10pm? A Miles Davis album was played - anybody know which one it was? Pretty sure it wasn't Birth of the Cool or Kind of Blue. Sorry it's so OFF but I don't know who ese to ask :-( Thanks folks AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 18:03:31 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:33:31 +1030 Subject: HW songs that get you HIGH Message-ID: Songs that get me high naturally Fable of a failed race Voices inside your head (live from cotbs) love in space --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 18:07:05 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:07:05 +0000 Subject: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <3106142.1042757936642.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: --- Rich Warren wrote: > New Model Army ( solo) One of my alltime favourite bands, but whaddya mean by solo? Red Sky Coven? Dazed & Confused AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Jan 16 19:03:54 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:03:54 -0000 Subject: HW:Out and About Message-ID: Browsing in my local shops, I came across the following HW references. Mojo Magazine (usually rather dull UK monthy music mag) - this month has a special feature on English Eccentrics, including a top 50 essential Eccentric English albums - in date order. Interested to see Capt. Lockheed in the list with a very short write up. Loaded (UK lads monthly mag) - this month has a feature on the mighty Tenaious D. Amongst the five rock greats who were major influences on the might D are Hawkwind!!. Finally, saw a CD in the local music store - Wizzards & Demons - a compilation inspired by the works of JR Tolkein. The final track on the album is by Sam Gopal - any ideas whether it features Mr Kilminster. I'd have to go back to get the track title tho' - maybe tomorrow. Mark From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jan 16 19:11:56 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:11:56 -0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: and us - don't forget us!!!!!!!!!!!!! Andy G (CD Services) agcdser at aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > I believe it still available from cdnow.com,that's where i got mine. > tim 8>)... > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still get > > it? From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Jan 16 19:16:15 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:16:15 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <002701c2bda4$371367a0$2ce7223f@laptop> Message-ID: I must state the unpopular opinion that Psychedelic Warlords - White Zone and HW - IITBOTFTBD are two the most boring albums ever released by Brock/Hawkind. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Cpt Blue Skin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:14 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: I think I will bump this one to the top of the list - Im very curious now --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > get > > > it? > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > rather uninspired to me. > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > Nick From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 19:19:56 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:49:56 +1030 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: How much Andy? I need one :) --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Garibaldi To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > and us - don't forget us!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Andy G (CD Services) > agcdser at aol.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > I believe it still available from cdnow.com,that's where i got mine. > > tim 8>)... > > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > get > > > it? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 19:23:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:53:35 +1030 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: I dont mind your opinion that you think "its..." is a boring album But I happen to be listening to it now and preparing to order white zone. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Raymond To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > I must state the unpopular opinion that Psychedelic Warlords - White Zone > and HW - IITBOTFTBD are two the most boring albums ever released by > Brock/Hawkind. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Cpt Blue Skin > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: > > > I think I will bump this one to the top of the list - Im very curious now > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:11 AM > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > > get > > > > it? > > > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > > rather uninspired to me. > > > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > > > Nick > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Jan 16 19:48:23 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:48:23 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <00e501c2bdbe$ad389e40$2ce7223f@laptop> Message-ID: On the back of the White Zone CD it says that Track 9 (Moonbeam, written by Richard) is from the CD Chalice of the Stars. At the time I thought it was going to be a Chadwick solo album, but I never heard anymore about it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Cpt Blue Skin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone I dont mind your opinion that you think "its..." is a boring album But I happen to be listening to it now and preparing to order white zone. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Raymond To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > I must state the unpopular opinion that Psychedelic Warlords - White Zone > and HW - IITBOTFTBD are two the most boring albums ever released by > Brock/Hawkind. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Cpt Blue Skin > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: > > > I think I will bump this one to the top of the list - Im very curious now > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:11 AM > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you still > > get > > > > it? > > > > I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. I would describe it as an > > album of so-so ambient techno, nothing more. I like a lot of electronica, > > so it's not that I'm biased against the genre, nor do I believe that HW > > should restrict themselves to guitar-fuelled blanga. And I love *some* of > > "It is the Business..." However much of the stuff on White Zone sounds > > rather uninspired to me. > > > > Mind you I haven't played it for quite a while, so maybe the time is ripe > > for a re-appraisal. Look out for a post from me tomorrow saying it's the > > greatest work of musical genius of the last 500 years. > > > > Nick > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 16 20:36:35 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:36:35 -0500 Subject: HW songs that get you HIGH In-Reply-To: <00b901c2bdb3$7f527060$2ce7223f@laptop> Message-ID: All the instrumentals from Electric Teepee :-) _____________________________________________ If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. -- Isaac Asimov ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Cpt Blue Skin ::Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:04 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: HW songs that get you HIGH :: :: ::Songs that get me high naturally :: ::Fable of a failed race ::Voices inside your head (live from cotbs) ::love in space :: ::--------------------------- ::Cpt Blue Skin ::(Alien Dream) :: From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 16 20:58:18 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:58:18 EST Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Utopia Laurie Anderson Capt Beefheart Can Patti Smith Plastic People of the Universe The Tony Levin Band Sparks Bongwater Kevin Ayers From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Jan 16 21:48:12 2003 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:48:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <14.785bcb3.2b58bd3a@aol.com> Message-ID: Dale K. Ford wrote: > Laurie Anderson I saw her in the 80's in State College,PA. I had a video with her, David Byrne, and someone else performing somewhere in New York. Don't know where it is now. From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 17 00:53:34 2003 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:53:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: As I write this I'm listening to "The Last Bright Light" by Mostly Autumn - quite superb I think. Other than Hawkwind, I have been playing: 1. Fields of the Nephilim 2, Savior Machine 3. Karnataka 4. Pink Floyd 5. Patti Smith 6. Queen 7. Mr Quimbys Beard 8. Led Zepplin 9. Saxon 10. Scorpions Oh, and the other day I cranked the stereo up to 11 and played some Ramones Roger From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 04:08:51 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:08:51 +0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone In-Reply-To: <20030116201812.MAO17710.wmpmta03-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Message-ID: Psychedelic Warriors on the cover and Psychedelic Warlords on the inside of the original Digipack. On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 8:19 pm, you wrote: > Its a good album, and one of the few I play straight through - . I don't > know if it was mentioned earlier, but it should be Psych.Warriors, not > Warlords. > > Mick > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > http://www.talk21.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Jan 17 05:42:26 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:42:26 +0100 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: KS says, confusingly... > And for any Judas Priest fans out there, Budgie originally > did "Better My You, Better Than Me" (although it is possible > that I'm confusing them with Spooky Tooth....?) "Better *By* You..." of course. But yes, your second instinct was the correct one. Interestingly, IIRC, this particular tune was one of the main prosecution arguments against Judas Priest in that ridiculous suicide-due-to-rock-music-influence trial out in Utah or wherever. And so of course, they didn't even *write* this tune. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I'll leave the HW: identifier in the header just because of the fact that Huwy and Luther Grosvenor (of Spooky Tooth and Mott the Hoople) played together in Widowmaker, of course. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 17 05:55:48 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:55:48 EST Subject: OFF: Priest/Other Bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2003 5:43:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > And so of course, they didn't even *write* this tune. > but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was that their recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages ("Do it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing it"; the LP (Stained Class) is certified platinum. liah natas bobm From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 17 06:06:18 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My list: Acid Mothers Temple Circle Porcupine Tree Gong Far East Family Band Rammstein M?t?rhead Kingston Wall Amorphis Ozric Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 06:30:28 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:30:28 EDT Subject: Re HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Jan 2003 at 11:42, Henderson Keith wrote: > "Better *By* You..." of course. > > But yes, your second instinct was the correct one. > > Interestingly, IIRC, this particular tune was one of the main > prosecution arguments against Judas Priest in that ridiculous > suicide-due-to-rock-music-influence trial out in Utah or wherever. > > And so of course, they didn't even *write* this tune. > Anyone see the outstanding PBS coverage of this trial back in the day? Truly amazing stuff on many levels. And also very sad. The parents, trying to blame a band for their own failure as parents. The lawyers, willing to pick any corpse for a headline or a dollar. The band in palpable disbelief, trying not to laugh out loud at times. Of course, the parents' fundamentalist religious beliefs and their obsession with controlling their son drove him to embrace loud heavy music. The judge essentially said that he saw no evidence of backward masking, and that even if the band did encode messages telling you to kill yourself, it would be protected by the right to free speech anyway... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 07:33:40 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:33:40 GMT Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:31:58 -0500 Message-ID: Eloy Nektar Tangerine Dream (up to Hyperborea) Klaus Schulze Ian Boddy Software From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 06:34:33 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:34:33 EDT Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <3E276EEC.2050901@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: > Dale K. Ford wrote: > > Laurie Anderson > > I saw her in the 80's in State College,PA. I had > a video with her, David Byrne, and someone else > performing somewhere in New York. Don't know > where it is now. I catalogued an incredible coffee table book about her performance art a while back. It covered her whole career, pretty much. Some great photography too... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 06:36:43 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:36:43 EDT Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <14.785bcb3.2b58bd3a@aol.com> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 20:58, Dale K. Ford wrote: > Laurie Anderson Any recommendations for a good overview of her stuff? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 06:43:47 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:43:47 EDT Subject: other bands In-Reply-To: <20030116201705.84224.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2003 at 20:17, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > Metallica (esp. "Master of Puppets" and "Sanitarium" > off MoP when smoking hash) > > Vo?vod (just got a bunch of live CDR boots from a guy > in France, Vo?vod are the stuff of legend) > Didn't the bassist from Metallica just join Voivod? theo From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 17 08:16:53 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:16:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: In order of favouriteness: Faust Circle Can Alastair. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 10:46:32 2003 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:46:32 +0000 Subject: HW:Question for Messrs Anderson & Turner Message-ID: Just been reading at the Nik interview on www.starfarer.net Nik says: "The only album which I have had any thing to do was 'Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gargarin' on Demi Monde [Dave Anderson's label]." and Dave Anderson is playing bass with spaceritual.net Perhaps somebody, if they get the opportunity, can ask them at the shows why the market is being saturated with the same product & who's getting the royalties from these releases? Does anyone know how many versions of this are out there at the moment? For reference this page looks reasonably up to date: http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html I'm just curious....Wouldn't it be 'in the spirit' to see where the fans' money has gone over the years? From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Jan 17 10:55:15 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:55:15 -0500 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: And I just changed the text in the article to 'Psychedelic Warriors', too! Thanks Mick & Ben for the corrections. BTW the URL to the page was slightly mangled at the start of this thread. It shoulda been http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.html Steve --------------------------------------------- On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:08:51 +0000, Ben Fagin wrote: >Psychedelic Warriors on the cover and Psychedelic Warlords on the inside of >the original Digipack. > > >On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 8:19 pm, you wrote: >> Its a good album, and one of the few I play straight through - . I don't >> know if it was mentioned earlier, but it should be Psych.Warriors, not >> Warlords. >> >> Mick >> >> >> -------------------- >> talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at >> http://www.talk21.com From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Jan 17 11:03:39 2003 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:03:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <01ea01c2bd1b$3c2639e0$8c01a6cb@default> Message-ID: Hi folks, in no particular order: - Magma - Chrome - Univers Zero - Gong - The Orb - Pink Floyd - Ozric Tentacles - Front 242 - Pressurehed - Goblin (c)IAO D+R From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 17 11:04:58 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:34:58 +1030 Subject: HW:Question for Messrs Anderson & Turner Message-ID: The thing that pisses me off when I search for Hawkwind releases on the net is there are always several versions of the YURI cd available - but all the good ones I need or would like a spare copy of are not available. ASAM - PXR5 - WARRIOR - LOVE IN SPACE - HAWKLORDS ~ 25 YEARS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: HW:Question for Messrs Anderson & Turner > Just been reading at the Nik interview on www.starfarer.net > > Nik says: > > "The only album which I have had any thing to do was 'Bring Me The Head > Of Yuri Gargarin' on Demi Monde [Dave Anderson's label]." > > and Dave Anderson is playing bass with spaceritual.net > > Perhaps somebody, if they get the opportunity, can ask them at the shows > why the market is being saturated with the same product & who's getting > the royalties from these releases? > > Does anyone know how many versions of this are out there at the moment? > > For reference this page looks reasonably up to date: > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html > > I'm just curious....Wouldn't it be 'in the spirit' to see where the > fans' money has gone over the years? > From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Jan 17 11:20:09 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:20:09 -0500 Subject: HW:Question for Messrs Anderson & Turner Message-ID: could'nt agree more with the sentiments expressed! i have an idea that i would like to put to the group - how about anybody who runs a website (like our new one www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk yes that is a shameless plug!) and who agree with the issues being raised here, have a page that prominently states all these "dodgy titles" and to "advise" people why they are not worth buying! at the end of the day it is a free world (well most of it is, alegedly!)so you can'y pysically stop people from buying this "stuff". however i think that it does the reputation of the name "hawkwind" no good at all to be associated with these releases. put it this way "how many people would be members of this group if the first hawkwind album that they purchased was 'yuri' or text of festival?' i think most if not all of us know the answer!!!! anyway, all the best From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 17 11:37:30 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (10 Segments of the Ether) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:37:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: 10 artists seeing heavy play around here in the past couple of months: Acid Mothers Temple Blue Oyster Cult Circle Tony Conrad F/i Farflung Henry Flynt Gjallarhorn Ilitch Jethro Tull Stephan From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 17 13:10:54 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:10:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Just a bit of fun... Scattered around the turntable/CD player at present are: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Focus - Moving waves Future Sound Of London - The Isness The Orb - Glasgow 'Orblivion Tour' Live Tape Tim Blake - New Jerusalem Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts Starfield - Insomniac (2nd album rough mixes) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Hi folks, > > in no particular order: > > - Magma > - Chrome > - Univers Zero > - Gong > - The Orb > - Pink Floyd > - Ozric Tentacles > - Front 242 > - Pressurehed > - Goblin > > (c)IAO > D+R From coral at APORT.RU Fri Jan 17 13:35:19 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:35:19 +0300 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: > Whatever happened to Starfield anyway? Just received the album today :). Alisa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jan 17 13:53:53 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:53:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hi Captain Black, When's the second LP coming out? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Just a bit of fun... > > Scattered around the turntable/CD player at present are: > > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon > Focus - Moving waves > Future Sound Of London - The Isness > The Orb - Glasgow 'Orblivion Tour' Live Tape > Tim Blake - New Jerusalem > Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts > Starfield - Insomniac (2nd album rough mixes) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denis Regenbrecht" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > > > Hi folks, > > > > in no particular order: > > > > - Magma > > - Chrome > > - Univers Zero > > - Gong > > - The Orb > > - Pink Floyd > > - Ozric Tentacles > > - Front 242 > > - Pressurehed > > - Goblin > > > > (c)IAO > > D+R From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 17 17:28:22 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:28:22 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/16/03 11:13 AM, "Brian Halligan" wrote: > Just salivating over here. It's not a pretty sight. Is there anything more > you'd like to share about the new album? Maybe pop a track over on your MP3 > site? Is Steve Brodner doing the album cover again? Les see here How about a track list? Will that hold you for now? Steve Brodner is working on the cover as we speak but it's not done yet. Naked If I Want To State of Emergency the Red and the Black (acoustic) Medusa Krakatoa Niagara Falls (acoustic) Frankenstein Date With A Guitar (acoustic) Stealin' Thing Whatever Works Gas Hog Pissin' Away The Summer From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 17:33:30 2003 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:33:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Welcome to the edit Message-ID: Hi, Just noticed what sounds like an edit, 49 seconds into Welcome To The Future, on standard Space Ritual. Never noticed it before. I wonder if it was to remove something or to splice London & Liverpool together? Anybody else spotted it or any others on Ritual? Cheers, Jez From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Jan 17 18:03:02 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:03:02 -0600 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: 10 lately.. Phish Motorhead Gong Ozrics Deep Purple Gov't Mule Henry Rollins Marillion Black Uhuru Col. Bruce Hampton and the Codetalkers! (just gotta plug these guys... www.thecodetalkers.com ...some MP3's are there...jammy!) From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 17 19:34:19 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:34:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Good thread..... It's tough to limit to only 10, since music is my life's blood. I will leave out the spacerock in my list of ten here and just say that I love Farflung and any Tommy Grenas project along w/ DarXtar, The Spacious Mind, Korai ?r?m, MQB and prog like Nektar, the Flower Kings, Eloy, King Crimson, Djam Karet. Then there's the Grateful Dead and all their numerous offshoots. Jerry Garcia is one of my spiritual leaders. As some know, I am a DAT taper and I get out there and tape many of the bands in what has been labeled the "Jamband scene" which follows in spirit to what the DEAD pioneered. There's moe. String Cheese Incident, Galactic and many more. One of my favorites is Les Claypool's Frog Brigade. In fact, I have nearly the entire 2000 Tour! Les Claypool is just my kinda freak - all the way ") Then there's the bands that fall more into the jazz realm, such as the Derek Trucks Band, Medeski Martin & Wood, John Scofield, Helborg, Lane & Sipe, the Steve Kimock Band and Project Object. Just one word: ZAPPA! The two "Jambands" that sit at the top for their longevity are Phish and Widespread Panic. I am not too happy w/ Phish these days, due to their new ticket service which screwed me out of making it to Hampton, Virginia. The way that they are making shows available to fans is not too cool either. Sure you can download the shn of the most recent 4 shows, but it costs a pretty penny and you have to use all your own materials and do all the work yourself. I just have gotten the impression that they don't give a shit about their fans. And this is from a "Phan" whose "Phirst" show was 3/14/92! That could change if they make some modifications...... These days I am much much more interested in Widespread Panic! One of my favorite bands that is associated w/ most of the bands listed above is Government Mule. When I was younger I was a metal head and I still break out some heavy stuff, as you will see from the list of the last 10 recordings played...... I love the old UFO, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Sabbath and some of the lesser known bands like Riot, Exciter, Warlord, Manowar etc. etc.... Here's the last 10 things played at my place (not in any order): Hendrix ~ 7/30/70 ~ Maui Government Mule - Deep End Vol. II, Life Before Insanity - Warren, Weir & Friends - 14th Annual Christmas Jam The Legendary Pink Dots ~ 6/9/00 Jacksonville, FL Iron Maiden - Eddie's Archive Frog Brigade - Mountain Aire Festival 5/27/00 Halford - Crucible Mahavishnu Orchestra - Between Nothingness & Eternity Joy Division - Closer Elektrum - Live At The Opera Jane's Addiction ~ 12/28/02 ~ Denver, CO Currently cloning my Derek Trucks Band 12/27/02 master.... ") Peace, D - so it was me on the mic, Dave Murray on guitar, and we would do "Silver Machine" by Hawkwind, because that was 3 chords and it was easy. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Jan 17 22:23:49 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:23:49 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Albert, > Naked If I Want To > State of Emergency > the Red and the Black (acoustic) > Medusa > Krakatoa > Niagara Falls (acoustic) > Frankenstein > Date With A Guitar (acoustic) > Stealin' Thing > Whatever Works > Gas Hog > Pissin' Away The Summer > Very intriguing setlist, I mean CD track listing! To truly make it a beach party, you all must do an a cappella beach blanket bingo:) Or maybe not. Good lord, I need to listen to my James Brown box set more. (seriously, Bleach Blanket Bingo???) J ---------------------------------------------------- "Visit Capital.NET online at http://www.capital.net" From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Fri Jan 17 23:21:45 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:21:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Alan Parsons Project - mmmm you've just convinced me to pull out a few "records". sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Well here is what is in my machine in the living room at the moment > ken > > > Oingo Boingo > Monkeys > Adam ant > moody blues > B 52 > King Crimson > Rush > Dead Kennedy's > ELO > Alan parsons project > > Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you > http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > > > 'evening all > > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & > > > thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like > > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list > & > > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > > Here's mine, in no particular order > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 23:34:16 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:34:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <001f01c2bea9$1f6bbca0$ba03a6cb@default> Message-ID: Nobody has mentioned Devo yet, are you reading this Tom? :) On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 4:21 am, you wrote: > Alan Parsons Project - mmmm you've just convinced me to pull out a few > "records". > sharpies at idx.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:31 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > > Well here is what is in my machine in the living room at the moment > > ken > > > > > > Oingo Boingo > > Monkeys > > Adam ant > > moody blues > > B 52 > > King Crimson > > Rush > > Dead Kennedy's > > ELO > > Alan parsons project > > > > Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics > > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you > > http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > > > > > > 'evening all > > > > I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to > > > > & thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. > > > > Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all > > like > > > > > Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the > > list > > > & > > > > > > try to limit the number to 10 artists. > > > > Here's mine, in no particular order From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sat Jan 18 00:23:56 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:23:56 +1100 Subject: HW: Other Bands - info Message-ID: To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is a list of Artists that received more than one entry - it's not a contest though. I just thought it might be interesting to know what other artists people listen to & as I have not heard of some of these bands, it may be interesting to have a listen to the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find enjoyable (just for FUN). Pink Floyd (x10) Gong (x7) Ozric Tentacles (x7) Circle ( x5) Black Sabbath (x4) Blue Oyster Cult (x4) Deep Purple (x4) Government Mule (x4) Jimi Hendrix (x4) Tangerine Dream (x4) Acid Mothers Temple (x3) Can (x3) Dead Can Dance (x3) Led Zeppelin (x3) Porcupine Tree (x3) The Orb (x3) Yes (x3) AC/DC (x2) Afro Celt Sound System (x2) Alain Stivell (x2) Bill Nelson (x2) Black Uhuru (x2) Captain Beefheart (x2) Cheap Trick (x2) Eloy (x2) Fairport Convention (x2) Farflung (x2) Faust (x2) Fleetwood Mac (x2) Golden Earring (x2) Joy Division (x2) King Crimson (x2) Kingston Wall (x2) Klaus Schulze (x2) Lee 'Scratch' Perry (x2) Man (x2) Miles Davis (x2) Patti Smith (x2) Pseudo Sun (x2) Ramones (x2) Rush (x2) Saxon (x2) Soft Machine (x2) Spacious Mind (x2) Starfield (x2) The Only Ones (x2) Utopia (x2) Van Der Graaf Generator (x2) Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Jan 18 01:37:27 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:37:27 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Priest Message-ID: >>>but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was that their recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages ("Do it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing it"; the LP (Stained Class) is certified platinum. I "do it" every chance I get. Brad NP: British Steel (remastered), yes, I may just go out and break the law tonight. By the way, I think Country music has inspired more suicide attempts than any other type. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 01:56:54 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:56:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Priest In-Reply-To: <004901c2bebc$1222e100$7fdcdb42@sony> Message-ID: What about all the Wars inspired by classical music, not to mention Wagner! On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 6:37 am, you wrote: > >>>but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was that > > their > recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages ("Do > it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing it"; the > LP > (Stained Class) is certified platinum. > > I "do it" every chance I get. > > Brad > > NP: British Steel (remastered), yes, I may just go out and break the law > tonight. > > By the way, I think Country music has inspired more suicide attempts than > any other type. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 02:04:13 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:04:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands - info In-Reply-To: <00dc01c2beb1$ceb432c0$ba03a6cb@default> Message-ID: OK heres my SixPence worth: Motorhead Saxon Judas Priest UFO Michael Schenker Group Mike Oldfield Marillion Rush Rainbow The Orb Astralasia Pink Floyd Stiff Little Fingers Dio Alan Jackson Recordings of Diesel Locomotives (Better than music!) On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 5:23 am, you wrote: > To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is a list of > Artists that received more than one entry - it's not a contest though. > I just thought it might be interesting to know what other artists people > listen to & as I have not heard of some of these bands, it may be > interesting to have a listen to the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find > enjoyable (just for FUN). > > Pink Floyd (x10) > Gong (x7) > Ozric Tentacles (x7) > Circle ( x5) > Black Sabbath (x4) > Blue Oyster Cult (x4) > Deep Purple (x4) > Government Mule (x4) > Jimi Hendrix (x4) > Tangerine Dream (x4) > Acid Mothers Temple (x3) > Can (x3) > Dead Can Dance (x3) > Led Zeppelin (x3) > Porcupine Tree (x3) > The Orb (x3) > Yes (x3) > AC/DC (x2) > Afro Celt Sound System (x2) > Alain Stivell (x2) > Bill Nelson (x2) > Black Uhuru (x2) > Captain Beefheart (x2) > Cheap Trick (x2) > Eloy (x2) > Fairport Convention (x2) > Farflung (x2) > Faust (x2) > Fleetwood Mac (x2) > Golden Earring (x2) > Joy Division (x2) > King Crimson (x2) > Kingston Wall (x2) > Klaus Schulze (x2) > Lee 'Scratch' Perry (x2) > Man (x2) > Miles Davis (x2) > Patti Smith (x2) > Pseudo Sun (x2) > Ramones (x2) > Rush (x2) > Saxon (x2) > Soft Machine (x2) > Spacious Mind (x2) > Starfield (x2) > The Only Ones (x2) > Utopia (x2) > Van Der Graaf Generator (x2) > > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Jan 18 02:56:03 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:56:03 -0700 Subject: OFF: War Message-ID: >>>What about all the Wars inspired by classical music, not to mention Wagner! Music is not dangerous. People are dangerous. Disney, well, they are a front for Satan's kingdom here on earth. NP: UDO "Live From Russia" I love heavy metal midgets. From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Jan 18 03:33:54 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:33:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: Here's what comes to my mind for bands I would not miss and/or buy all releases: BOC Black Sabbath Saxon UFO Queensryche Judas Priest Iron Maiden Mike Keneally Frank Zappa Be Bop Deluxe (I thank BOC for turning me onto these guys when they opened for them at the LA Forum) Eddie Money Ronnie Montrose Coney Hatch Riot Toto Dokken Emerson, Lake and Palmer Of course, this would include artists associated with these bands as well, and there are many more than these fine musical outfits that I find enjoyable. Brad, still playing UDO, he makes me laugh From alan_taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Jan 18 04:27:01 2003 From: alan_taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:27:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: my top bands = Husker Du Pixies REM (pre 1989) Propaganda Rush can't think of anyone else. HW & relations is/are the only band that I try to buy everything for(that is worth having) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Jan 18 05:26:06 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:26:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands - info Message-ID: Wouldn't Starfield be considered HW related? They would in my book. Captain Black has played with them many times if I'm not mistaken. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands - info > To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is a list of > Artists that received more than one entry - it's not a contest though. > I just thought it might be interesting to know what other artists people > listen to & as I have not heard of some of these bands, it may be > interesting to have a listen to the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find > enjoyable (just for FUN). > > Pink Floyd (x10) > Gong (x7) > Ozric Tentacles (x7) > Circle ( x5) > Black Sabbath (x4) > Blue Oyster Cult (x4) > Deep Purple (x4) > Government Mule (x4) > Jimi Hendrix (x4) > Tangerine Dream (x4) > Acid Mothers Temple (x3) > Can (x3) > Dead Can Dance (x3) > Led Zeppelin (x3) > Porcupine Tree (x3) > The Orb (x3) > Yes (x3) > AC/DC (x2) > Afro Celt Sound System (x2) > Alain Stivell (x2) > Bill Nelson (x2) > Black Uhuru (x2) > Captain Beefheart (x2) > Cheap Trick (x2) > Eloy (x2) > Fairport Convention (x2) > Farflung (x2) > Faust (x2) > Fleetwood Mac (x2) > Golden Earring (x2) > Joy Division (x2) > King Crimson (x2) > Kingston Wall (x2) > Klaus Schulze (x2) > Lee 'Scratch' Perry (x2) > Man (x2) > Miles Davis (x2) > Patti Smith (x2) > Pseudo Sun (x2) > Ramones (x2) > Rush (x2) > Saxon (x2) > Soft Machine (x2) > Spacious Mind (x2) > Starfield (x2) > The Only Ones (x2) > Utopia (x2) > Van Der Graaf Generator (x2) > > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jan 18 06:54:02 2003 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:02 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 2003 to 18 Jan 2003 (#2003-22) Message-ID: > > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:34:16 +0000 > From: Ben Fagin > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > Nobody has mentioned Devo yet, are you reading this Tom? :) > Hi Ben & all Yes, Devo - "It's a Beautiful World" track and video could have come straight out of the "25 Years" tour. I remember seeing them several times, in Manchester but most notably at Knebworth in 1978 when they were liberally showered with beer cans by the audience who wished that they would retire so that the enormously overblown (4 guitarists - 10 musicians on stage) Jefferson Starship could come on. Devo's concept of "De-evolution" - that just as slavering wolves de-evolved into slobbering dogs, so society is forcing all of us to become Woody Allen lookalikes, is pretty clever and makes for some striking and fun videos. Say what you like, I'm sure it influenced Calvert's 25 years concept. I saw the Hawklords tour in 78 and still have the programme - it looks pretty Devoish to me. "God made man, but he used the monkey to do it/Ape's in the blood, we're all here to prove it/I can walk like an ape, talk like an ape, do what monkeys do/God made man, but monkeys are in the brew - Are we not men? We are Devo - etc" - from Devo's Jocko Homo I notice some overlap in the lists of favourite bands My favourites: Van Der Graaf Generator (esp "Pawn Hearts" & "Still Life" - Peter Hammill's complex lyrics and tortured delivery combined with the raucous sax of David Jackson are spellbinding - also some excursions into SF - The track "Still Life" is about immortality - "At the time it seemed a reasonable course to harness all of the force of life wthout the threat of death, but soon we found that boredom and inertia are not negatives, but all the law we know." Terrific. Magma - (I recommend the majestic "Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh" & "Attahk" - do not play these at a tea dance!). Drummer Christian Vander's epic set of albums centres on the war between an evil earth and the utopian Kobaia - at least I think so - the whole lot is in his own artificial language. Nektar - especially "Recycled" - a powerful yet somewhat confused album. Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - neo-psychedelia - some very melodic and cleverly constructed tunes - especially the album "Barafundle". I also admire the uncompromising attitude they show by singing most of their songs in Welsh. Mr Quimby's Beard - The Unsolved Mysteries - awsome - I can't convince the wife it's not Hawkwind. Cockney Rebel - (believe it or not!) - Have you heard "Sebastian" and "Death Trip" from 1973's "Human Menagerie" album? - amazing orchestrations - "Death Trip" is a 10 minute account of a fatal overdose - very boppy. Wagner - The Ring Cycle and Parzival. If the hippies had discovered Wagner before LSD there would not have been a drugs boom. A mighty trip. His scion, Adrian Wagner - I'm listening to "Realm of the Ring Lords" at the moment - very melodic. Alan Stivell - especially "Live at the Dublin Olympia" and "Before Landing" - Breton folk rock - "Before Landing" is a concept album which tells the story of the Breton people. Yes - "Relayer". Indeed, they are pretentious, I agree Anderson's lyrics are meaningless, but they know how to develop and arrange a good tune. Rimsky-Korsakoff - "Scheherezade". This piece of music is staggeringly well orchestrated. R_K served in the Russian navy, and his evocation of the sea in the 4th movement is unsurpassed. If you like music that provokes imagery, I can't recommend this highly enough. High Tide - Simon House's band before Hawkwind. I have two albums from 1970 and 1971 which are years before their time - "High Tide" and "Sea Shanties". Tony Hill's guitar playing is sometimes a little too prominent and indulgent, but both of these albums display rough genius. Michael Moorcock - "Fair Dealer" from "New World's Fair". In my opinion the best thing he's ever done, and I include all his novels with the exception of "The Warlord of the Air" which is excellent SF in the style of Conan Doyl e. The Albion Band - "Stella Maris" Side 2 is a wonderful concept track about a man who is admiring in an art gallery a portrait by Reynolds of a lady done up as a shepherdess. He then has a vision of what went into the production of the portrait- the portrait is a sham, how the lady is really a rich dowager and her outfit is produced by the local tenants at he whim, etc. Very clever. Alien Dream's Dogon Dance - well done Michael. I'm looking forward to the next one. Mirrors, Neutron Star - good music for concentration, but definitely not muzak. The Magic Mushroom Band - I would have thought that this fast, psychedelic rock would have appealed to most Hawkwind fans. Shockingly, a lot of their songs appear to be about getting high. Arthur Brown "Journey" - "Time Captives" is of course special - but the rest of the tracks on this album are also innovative and would appeal to lovers of space rock. Brian Eno - "Another Green World", "Before and After Science", "Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy". All very evocative albums. There you are. And I haven't mentioned "The Last Druids" once - D'oh! Regards Tom Byrne From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 06:54:54 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: A few on my list that haven't been mentioned (and a few that have): The Jesus & Mary Chain James The Smiths Killing Joke Jane Wieldin Sparks Porcupine Tree Ozrics Tangerine Dream The Clash Ian Current Reading: "Cherry" - A Life of Apsley Cherry Gerrad Current Listening: Just A Minute! Current Viewing: All the stuff I taped at Xmas..... From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 18 06:58:56 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:58:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Ozric Tentacles Pink Floyd Bevis Frond Roy Harper Mandragora Ship Of Fools Omnia Opera Frank Zappa Poisoned Electrick Head Magic Mushroom Band Led Zeppelin Dead Kennedys just a few that spring to mind immediately, could probably come up with a different list on a different day... Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 18 07:09:49 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:09:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Porcy Tree as well, of course! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > Ozric Tentacles > Pink Floyd > Bevis Frond > Roy Harper > Mandragora > Ship Of Fools > Omnia Opera > Frank Zappa > Poisoned Electrick Head > Magic Mushroom Band > Led Zeppelin > Dead Kennedys > > just a few that spring to mind immediately, could probably come up with a > different list on a different day... > > Nick From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Jan 18 07:27:52 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:27:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Theres just too many to decide on 10. THese aren't necessarily them, but the first 10 I thought of. Litmus Jah Wobble Public Image Ltd Killing Joke Mr. Quimby's Beard Xtc Sex Pistols Blur Monster Magnet Gruntruck ki From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 18 08:05:05 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:35:05 +1030 Subject: OFF: Re: Priest Message-ID: We NEED a good old fashioned war. I'm itching for a some merciless blood leetting. Who's up for a bit of carnage? Swords and axes...ehhhh? We need two teams now. sign you name here X ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Priest > What about all the Wars inspired by classical music, not to mention Wagner! > > > > > On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 6:37 am, you wrote: > > >>>but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was that > > > > their > > recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages ("Do > > it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing it"; the > > LP > > (Stained Class) is certified platinum. > > > > I "do it" every chance I get. > > > > Brad > > > > NP: British Steel (remastered), yes, I may just go out and break the law > > tonight. > > > > By the way, I think Country music has inspired more suicide attempts than > > any other type. > From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Sat Jan 18 09:55:45 2003 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:55:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Gong Magma Amon Duul II Novalis Eloy Carl Orff Van Der Graaf Generator Blue Oyster Cult Here & Now Nektar From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 18 10:42:52 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:12:52 +1030 Subject: HW: a message for the management at mision control Message-ID: Sorry but the computer I am on at the moment doesn't have your email address listed. The Hawkestra.info link on the ether page gives me this message when I click on it. Thought you might appreciate the feedback. Cheers Error 404: page not found The page you requested was not found on this web server. This could be for a variety of reasons, including: a.. You followed a broken or out-of-date link. b.. You entered the URL for the page incorrectly. c.. The page no longer exists. If you followed a broken link, please inform the owner of the referring page. From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 10:56:50 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:56:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: We used to have a really good Alan Parsons Project album. We lent it to someone and never got it back. I can't remember what it was called, but would love to get hold of it again. The only thing I can remember is that it had a track on it with the lyrics........ "And the same old sun will shine in the morning The same bright eyes will welcome me home, The moon will rise right over my head......... I'll get through the night on my own" Can anyone help to identify this album?? Thanks Kris :-) > > Alan Parsons Project - mmmm you've just convinced me to pull out a few > > "records". > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Jan 18 11:19:27 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:19:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle Message-ID: Allan tallied... > To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is > a list of Artists that received more than one entry - it's not > a contest though. I just thought it might be interesting to know > what other artists people listen to & as I have not heard of > some of these bands, it may be interesting to have a listen to > the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find enjoyable (just for FUN). > > Pink Floyd (x10) > Gong (x7) > Ozric Tentacles (x7) > Circle ( x5) Well, it's nice to see that one of my favorite groups (that *hardly* gets the distribution that these other three get on a worldwide basis!) is so well represented here on this list (ignoring the fact for the moment that one of the five was from me!). Anyway, then (perhaps) my latest concert review (that will appear on A-I.com momentarily anyway, but what the hey?) might interest more than just one or two people. If not, I apologize for the assumption. So here goes... Circle - Caf? Cairo, W?rzburg Germany, 6.12.02 After touring with the Acid Mothers Temple in their native Finland, Circle broke off on their own and made their first trip to Germany (apart from a one-off performance at a recent Burg Herzberg) in about six years. So, whereas AMT came through my current homeland of Switzerland to do three dates in succession, Circle made it more difficult on me by "forcing" me to take a day off from work to ride a train north for about 5 hours into the heart of the country in scenic W?rzburg. They were to play the very next night (a Saturday) in Munich, which is perhaps a little closer, but I had already visited there and already arranged to spend that day visiting the city of W?rzburg. Which I then did, including a hike up Ste. Mary's Hill on the west bank of the River Main, where one can find the historic castle complex of "Marienburg Festung" as well as a great view of the city below. And straight down from this overlook sits the Jugendkulturhaus (essentially a 'youth hostel') which houses the Caf? Cairo establishment, the very site of Friday night's festivities. My travel plans weren't quite as well-prepared as one would like, given that I couldn't manage to get on a bus that took me directly to my hotel (far from the Altstadt since those seemed all to be booked up). I learned the hard way that Bus No. 26 has *two* different routes (why are they both called 26 then?), but I improvised and did manage to check in and turn back around toward towncenter soon enough. Of course, then there was no bus back at that time, so only after a sizeable walk back to town was I able to make my way toward Caf? Cairo. At 9:45, I finally walked into the door of the Jugendkulturhaus and heard something quite rumbly and hypnotic-like coming from the floors above, and swore to myself as I raced up the spiral staircase (two floors) to find the club entrance and the cashier at the open door. So I didn't have to wipe the fog from my glasses as I handed over some denomination of Euros to the man, who perhaps sensing my concern at perhaps missing much of the show (advertised for 9:00 start) as he made change and said, in effect, "They've only just started - this is the first song." Ah, cool - waiting for the bus would have been a huge mistake - I'd have missed much more than just four minutes or so that way! I kinda expected there to be an opening act with such an early start time, but apparently not. Caf? Cairo is a cozy place, obviously a coffee bar by day with tables and chairs, but of course these had been taken away leaving just enough space for ~100 of us to arrange ourselves as we wished. I didn't recognize the opening piece, but I soon noticed the songlist laying out on the soundboard at the back of the club. Song 1 was entitled "Alotus," so we were hearing the title track from the next album due out on Klangbad (Faust's home label...interestingly, one Hans-Joachim Irmler was visible in the audience this night!) any day now. The 2002-vintage five-piece Circle features three new members compared to when I first saw them in the USA in 2000. Mikka R?tt? (of Moonfog Prophet, aka Kuusumun Profeetta) is now the lead singer of Circle as well, and he also helps out new drummer Tomi Lepp?nen on his own smaller percussion kit. Joining veteran Jyrki Laiho on guitars is Janne Westerlund. Jussi Lehtisalo is the lone original member now (still running the Ektro label back in Pori) and onstage these days he sticks to playing the bass (and doing occasional vocals), though in years past he's played guitar and various keyboards as well. "Alotus" was still going strong and building in intensity as I worked my way forward - I was trying to figure out where the keyboards were hidden on stage, because I could definitely hear freaky sounds and such in the mix. Eventually I could tell that the soundman has a digital playback unit linked up with a small module containing several knobs and such, so that he (Teemu is his name, or rather just "T-Mu") was actually a sixth member of the band this night, albeit less visible. For the next tune, Jussi took over on vocals (while Mika sat down at his kit to drum away) for a track entitled (at least for the moment) simply "G." In not-so-atypical Circle fashion, Jussi's baseline seemed to consist of mostly just this one note, but then the great thing about this band is how much they can do with so little. The dueling guitars were uncharacteristic though, both doing their own thing in "lead" fashion simultaneously, which skewed the sound mix a little too much towards the bass. But this only was momentarily, because the driving rhythm guitars came back soon enough to reestablish the proper 'pyramid of sound' that's so important here. The next tune, another 'prototype-in-progress' called simply "Judas Priest" on the setlist (some sort of inside joke there I'm guessing), eventually kicked into an excellent metallized "chorus" of sorts that indeed had a bit of 'Stained Class' character to it. But unfortunately the enhanced volume blew the power to the PA stack on stage right during the climactic point. Oh well, an onstage visit by someone-in-the-know quickly solved that problem, as the track continued into an extended section with one of the guitarists (Jyrki I think) doing some interesting e-bow/glissando-style playing. The highlight of the night came next in the form of a 15-minute blistering version of "Dedofiktion" from the 'Prospekt' album. After what seemed to take an eternity in build-up (only acting to enhance the expectation), the break into Riff#2 finally occurred with the five uniformly set into a dynamic groove that got many of us up near the front (especially) jammin' out to this wonderful hypnotic slurry of sound! After an interesting impromptu sidebar piece that feature Mika and Jussi doing semi-spoken vocalizations against a simple traditional melody (complete with military-style percussion cadence and copious sonic effects), Circle *finally* played a couple tracks from the new album, "Sunrise." "Vaanen vatiatar" started with a laid-back 'climbing' and 'looping' riff as on the album, but in the end it became another medium for crazed expression from Mika as he did he best Michael Jackson impersonation with one hand firmly inside his own trousers. Not to be outdone, Jussi showed how limber his sturdy Nordic frame could be when he literally bent over backwards during the final climactic moments of the performance during the album's opener "Nopeuskuningas." An excellent finish to a sonic-blitzkrieg of a set! Encores were again unfamiliar works (they're never hesitant to try out new things each and every night!). As such, while some interesting moments occurred here and there, these works still need a little 'hashing out' to get them into proper form I think. Everyone hung around for this additional 'rehearsal' though, and the crowd was duly pleased to have them play a full 110-minute set, high energy throughout. There's no doubt that this show outdid those that they did in the US several years ago, mainly because of the extra length and the more enthusiastic audience here that the band obviously drew 'energy' from. With "Sunrise" being such a strong album and a somewhat unique from all previous works, due especially to R?tt?'s very peculiar falsetto-ish delivery, Circle continues to be among a short list of my favorite currently-active groups in the world today. Well worth a journey of five hours...I'd do it again in a minute. Set-list: Alotus "G" "Judas Priest" Dedofiktion Marssi Vaanen valtiatar Nopeuskuningas ------------------- Potto Teolaisten Laulu ------------------- Faarao (?) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 18 11:21:02 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:21:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <001101c2bf0a$539be8e0$d811bd50@default> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 03:56:50PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: => We used to have a really good Alan Parsons Project album. We lent it to => someone and never got it back. I can't remember what it was called, but => would love to get hold of it again. The only thing I can remember is that it => had a track on it with the lyrics........ => => "And the same old sun will shine in the morning => The same bright eyes will welcome me home, => The moon will rise right over my head......... => I'll get through the night on my own" => => Can anyone help to identify this album?? According to a Google search, those lyrics come from an Alan Parsons Project song called "The Same Old Sun." Another Google search for a discography reveals that song is on the albums VULTURE CULTURE (1984) and LIMELIGHT - THE BEST OF VOL. 2 (1987). (Amazon.com also lists that song as being on another APP compilation called LOVE SONGS.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Jan 18 12:19:05 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:19:05 -0700 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Here's my list (I hope Jazz is allowed :-) ): Miles Davis Faith No More (and Mr. Bungle, and Fantomas) Bill Frisell Jimi Hendrix King Crimson (and Projekcts) Ozric Tentacles Primus (and other Claypool projects, like The Fearless Flying Frog Brigade) John Scofield Tool Frank Zappa Cheers, Guido Allan Sharpe wrote: >'evening all >I was wondering the other day, what other artists you guys listen to & >thought it might be interesting to get everyone to share. >Just to put set some ground rules, it's pretty obvious that we all like >Hawkwind & many of their relatives so we should leave them off the list & >try to limit the number to 10 artists. >Here's mine, in no particular order > >Pink Floyd >Dire Straits >Petula Clark >Fleetwood Mac >Gary Numan >The Angels >Kraftwerk >Metallica >AC/DC > >Seems without Hawkwind, Motorhead...etc I can't get to more than 9 - I >listen to a lot of other stuff but this is the stuff that means something - >Ok, so I am very old & very commercial :). >Allan Sharpe >sharpies at idx.com.au > > > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Jan 18 12:25:03 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:25:03 -0700 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Um, I guess I need to add Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple (though these are more old favorites rather than new crazes). Guido Bill & Cynthia wrote: >Hurray - a Zeppelin fan :-) > >My other bands are: >Yes >7% Solution (only have one CD but it's a beaut) >Ozric Tentacles >Pink Floyd >Rush >Jefferson Starship (up to Nuclear Furniture) >Dream Theatre (a new one for me) >Cheers >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:28 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > > > >>Other bands: >> >>60s/70s (and beyond in some cases): >> >>Led Zeppelin >>Captain Beefheart >>Can >>Faust >>Pink Floyd >>Jimi Hendrix >>MC5 >>Gong >>Roy Harper >>Pink Fairies >> >> >>70s/80s/90s: >> >>Coil >>Residents >>Aphex Twin >>Jah Wobble >>Dead Can Dance >>African Head Charge >>Lee 'Scratch' Perry >>Wagonchrist >>The Damned >>The Fall >>Throbbing Gristle >>The Orb >>Acid Mothers Temple >>Nurse With Wound >> >>Other: >> >>Iannis Xenakis >>songs of 14th century troubadours >>humpback whale sounds >>the eerie noises in my head at 3am >> >> >>Is that enough for starters? >> >>Nick >> >> >> > > > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Jan 18 12:28:01 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:28:01 -0700 Subject: Other Bands Message-ID: . . . and Jethro Tull, and Camel, and Eloy . . . :-P The list never ends. Also Arvo Part (Classical), Beethoven, J.S. Bach . . . okay, I'll stop already. :-) Guido Neil Shilladay wrote: >(in no particular order....) > >Rainbow > (esp with Dio, although I like all vintages) >Iron Maiden >(me & my mates always demanded Number of the Beast to be played at school >discos when it came out) >Deep Purple >(ok I admit it, I am a Blackmore fan) >Jethro Tull >(same lad who got me into HW got me inot Tull at the same time) >Bob Marley >(always lifts my spirits) >Alice Cooper >(esp live !) >Led Zepplin >(the DBs. 'nuff said) >Rush >(early stuff) >Ministry >(*the* most intense noise makers I've ever seen live) >Nick Drake >(the man wrote beautiful music, may he RIP) > >Cheers >Neil. > > > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 18 12:10:22 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:10:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: I actually have all the Alan Parson's albums up to and including Vulture Culture (Kris, you're welcome to borrow it). I felt the later ones all sounded a bit 'samey' after a while though. Still, I Robot is a good album by anybody's standards. Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > We used to have a really good Alan Parsons Project album. We lent it to > someone and never got it back. I can't remember what it was called, but > would love to get hold of it again. The only thing I can remember is that it > had a track on it with the lyrics........ > > "And the same old sun will shine in the morning > The same bright eyes will welcome me home, > The moon will rise right over my head......... > I'll get through the night on my own" > > Can anyone help to identify this album?? > > Thanks > > Kris :-) > > > > Alan Parsons Project - mmmm you've just convinced me to pull out a few > > > "records". > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 18 12:11:13 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:11:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands - info Message-ID: Guilty, your honour. All rise! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands - info > Wouldn't Starfield be considered HW related? They would in my book. Captain > Black has played with them many times if I'm not mistaken. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands - info > > > > To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is a list of > > Artists that received more than one entry - it's not a contest though. > > I just thought it might be interesting to know what other artists people > > listen to & as I have not heard of some of these bands, it may be > > interesting to have a listen to the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find > > enjoyable (just for FUN). > > > > Pink Floyd (x10) > > Gong (x7) > > Ozric Tentacles (x7) > > Circle ( x5) > > Black Sabbath (x4) > > Blue Oyster Cult (x4) > > Deep Purple (x4) > > Government Mule (x4) > > Jimi Hendrix (x4) > > Tangerine Dream (x4) > > Acid Mothers Temple (x3) > > Can (x3) > > Dead Can Dance (x3) > > Led Zeppelin (x3) > > Porcupine Tree (x3) > > The Orb (x3) > > Yes (x3) > > AC/DC (x2) > > Afro Celt Sound System (x2) > > Alain Stivell (x2) > > Bill Nelson (x2) > > Black Uhuru (x2) > > Captain Beefheart (x2) > > Cheap Trick (x2) > > Eloy (x2) > > Fairport Convention (x2) > > Farflung (x2) > > Faust (x2) > > Fleetwood Mac (x2) > > Golden Earring (x2) > > Joy Division (x2) > > King Crimson (x2) > > Kingston Wall (x2) > > Klaus Schulze (x2) > > Lee 'Scratch' Perry (x2) > > Man (x2) > > Miles Davis (x2) > > Patti Smith (x2) > > Pseudo Sun (x2) > > Ramones (x2) > > Rush (x2) > > Saxon (x2) > > Soft Machine (x2) > > Spacious Mind (x2) > > Starfield (x2) > > The Only Ones (x2) > > Utopia (x2) > > Van Der Graaf Generator (x2) > > > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 18 12:28:09 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:28:09 +0800 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Whereabouts does Time Machine fit in, which was the last one of his I got? Of the other Alan Parsons Project albums, I still feel Mystery & Imagination is the best. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > I actually have all the Alan Parson's albums up to and including Vulture > Culture (Kris, you're welcome to borrow it). > > I felt the later ones all sounded a bit 'samey' after a while though. Still, > I Robot is a good album by anybody's standards. > > Keith. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hawkwind" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > > > > We used to have a really good Alan Parsons Project album. We lent it to > > someone and never got it back. I can't remember what it was called, but > > would love to get hold of it again. The only thing I can remember is that > it > > had a track on it with the lyrics........ > > > > "And the same old sun will shine in the morning > > The same bright eyes will welcome me home, > > The moon will rise right over my head......... > > I'll get through the night on my own" > > > > Can anyone help to identify this album?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kris :-) > > > > > > Alan Parsons Project - mmmm you've just convinced me to pull out a few > > > > "records". > > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > > > > > From jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE Sat Jan 18 13:20:03 2003 From: jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE (Jean Collin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:20:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello there! Quite interesting to find out how the hawkworld gets divided into two or three taste zones which seem intimately related to time and place... As a Belgian local gig promoter (last one was Circle!), my top ten I would die for would be something like : (in no particular order) - Mogwai - Neutral Milk Hotel - Korai Orom (Hugarian ethno psychedelic percussion-based stunning outfit -promoted them 4 times) -Ole Lukkoye (Fantastic Russian eastern-folk dance pysych - same!) -Death in Vegas -Spacious Mind (one of our first gigs an eternity ago!) -Afro celt Sound System -Gorky's Zygotic Mynci -Asian Dub Foundation -Ozrics At 17:19 18/01/03 +0100, you wrote: >Allan tallied... > > > To date, there have been 33 responses to this thread. Here is > > a list of Artists that received more than one entry - it's not > > a contest though. I just thought it might be interesting to know > > what other artists people listen to & as I have not heard of > > some of these bands, it may be interesting to have a listen to > > the stuff that other Hawkwind fans find enjoyable (just for FUN). > > > > Pink Floyd (x10) > > Gong (x7) > > Ozric Tentacles (x7) > > Circle ( x5) > >Well, it's nice to see that one of my favorite groups (that *hardly* >gets the distribution that these other three get on a worldwide basis!) >is so well represented here on this list (ignoring the fact for the >moment that one of the five was from me!). > >Anyway, then (perhaps) my latest concert review (that will appear on >A-I.com momentarily anyway, but what the hey?) might interest more >than just one or two people. If not, I apologize for the assumption. > >So here goes... > >Circle - Caf? Cairo, W?rzburg Germany, 6.12.02 > >After touring with the Acid Mothers Temple in their native Finland, Circle >broke off on their own and made their first trip to Germany (apart from a >one-off performance at a recent Burg Herzberg) in about six years. So, >whereas AMT came through my current homeland of Switzerland to do three >dates in succession, Circle made it more difficult on me by "forcing" me to >take a day off from work to ride a train north for about 5 hours into the >heart of the country in scenic W?rzburg. They were to play the very next >night (a Saturday) in Munich, which is perhaps a little closer, but I had >already visited there and already arranged to spend that day visiting the >city of W?rzburg. Which I then did, including a hike up Ste. Mary's Hill on >the west bank of the River Main, where one can find the historic castle >complex of "Marienburg Festung" as well as a great view of the city below. >And straight down from this overlook sits the Jugendkulturhaus (essentially >a 'youth hostel') which houses the Caf? Cairo establishment, the very site >of Friday night's festivities. My travel plans weren't quite as >well-prepared as one would like, given that I couldn't manage to get on a >bus that took me directly to my hotel (far from the Altstadt since those >seemed all to be booked up). I learned the hard way that Bus No. 26 has >*two* different routes (why are they both called 26 then?), but I improvised >and did manage to check in and turn back around toward towncenter soon >enough. Of course, then there was no bus back at that time, so only after a >sizeable walk back to town was I able to make my way toward Caf? Cairo. > >At 9:45, I finally walked into the door of the Jugendkulturhaus and heard >something quite rumbly and hypnotic-like coming from the floors above, and >swore to myself as I raced up the spiral staircase (two floors) to find the >club entrance and the cashier at the open door. So I didn't have to wipe >the fog from my glasses as I handed over some denomination of Euros to the >man, who perhaps sensing my concern at perhaps missing much of the show >(advertised for 9:00 start) as he made change and said, in effect, "They've >only just started - this is the first song." Ah, cool - waiting for the bus >would have been a huge mistake - I'd have missed much more than just four >minutes or so that way! I kinda expected there to be an opening act with >such an early start time, but apparently not. > >Caf? Cairo is a cozy place, obviously a coffee bar by day with tables and >chairs, but of course these had been taken away leaving just enough space >for ~100 of us to arrange ourselves as we wished. I didn't recognize the >opening piece, but I soon noticed the songlist laying out on the soundboard >at the back of the club. Song 1 was entitled "Alotus," so we were hearing >the title track from the next album due out on Klangbad (Faust's home >label...interestingly, one Hans-Joachim Irmler was visible in the audience >this night!) any day now. The 2002-vintage five-piece Circle features three >new members compared to when I first saw them in the USA in 2000. Mikka >R?tt? (of Moonfog Prophet, aka Kuusumun Profeetta) is now the lead singer of >Circle as well, and he also helps out new drummer Tomi Lepp?nen on his own >smaller percussion kit. Joining veteran Jyrki Laiho on guitars is Janne >Westerlund. Jussi Lehtisalo is the lone original member now (still running >the Ektro label back in Pori) and onstage these days he sticks to playing >the bass (and doing occasional vocals), though in years past he's played >guitar and various keyboards as well. "Alotus" was still going strong and >building in intensity as I worked my way forward - I was trying to figure >out where the keyboards were hidden on stage, because I could definitely >hear freaky sounds and such in the mix. Eventually I could tell that the >soundman has a digital playback unit linked up with a small module >containing several knobs and such, so that he (Teemu is his name, or rather >just "T-Mu") was actually a sixth member of the band this night, albeit less >visible. > >For the next tune, Jussi took over on vocals (while Mika sat down at his kit >to drum away) for a track entitled (at least for the moment) simply "G." In >not-so-atypical Circle fashion, Jussi's baseline seemed to consist of mostly >just this one note, but then the great thing about this band is how much >they can do with so little. The dueling guitars were uncharacteristic >though, both doing their own thing in "lead" fashion simultaneously, which >skewed the sound mix a little too much towards the bass. But this only was >momentarily, because the driving rhythm guitars came back soon enough to >reestablish the proper 'pyramid of sound' that's so important here. The >next tune, another 'prototype-in-progress' called simply "Judas Priest" on >the setlist (some sort of inside joke there I'm guessing), eventually kicked >into an excellent metallized "chorus" of sorts that indeed had a bit of >'Stained Class' character to it. But unfortunately the enhanced volume blew >the power to the PA stack on stage right during the climactic point. Oh >well, an onstage visit by someone-in-the-know quickly solved that problem, >as the track continued into an extended section with one of the guitarists >(Jyrki I think) doing some interesting e-bow/glissando-style playing. > >The highlight of the night came next in the form of a 15-minute blistering >version of "Dedofiktion" from the 'Prospekt' album. After what seemed to >take an eternity in build-up (only acting to enhance the expectation), the >break into Riff#2 finally occurred with the five uniformly set into a >dynamic groove that got many of us up near the front (especially) jammin' >out to this wonderful hypnotic slurry of sound! After an interesting >impromptu sidebar piece that feature Mika and Jussi doing semi-spoken >vocalizations against a simple traditional melody (complete with >military-style percussion cadence and copious sonic effects), Circle >*finally* played a couple tracks from the new album, "Sunrise." "Vaanen >vatiatar" started with a laid-back 'climbing' and 'looping' riff as on the >album, but in the end it became another medium for crazed expression from >Mika as he did he best Michael Jackson impersonation with one hand firmly >inside his own trousers. Not to be outdone, Jussi showed how limber his >sturdy Nordic frame could be when he literally bent over backwards during >the final climactic moments of the performance during the album's opener >"Nopeuskuningas." An excellent finish to a sonic-blitzkrieg of a set! > >Encores were again unfamiliar works (they're never hesitant to try out new >things each and every night!). As such, while some interesting moments >occurred here and there, these works still need a little 'hashing out' to >get them into proper form I think. Everyone hung around for this additional >'rehearsal' though, and the crowd was duly pleased to have them play a full >110-minute set, high energy throughout. There's no doubt that this show >outdid those that they did in the US several years ago, mainly because of >the extra length and the more enthusiastic audience here that the band >obviously drew 'energy' from. With "Sunrise" being such a strong album and >a somewhat unique from all previous works, due especially to R?tt?'s very >peculiar falsetto-ish delivery, Circle continues to be among a short list of >my favorite currently-active groups in the world today. Well worth a >journey of five hours...I'd do it again in a minute. > >Set-list: >Alotus >"G" >"Judas Priest" >Dedofiktion >Marssi >Vaanen valtiatar >Nopeuskuningas >------------------- >Potto >Teolaisten Laulu >------------------- >Faarao (?) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 18 13:21:43 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:21:43 +0800 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Now, how about a list of some artits that you like, but are afraid to admit it to some people. There's not too many that springs to my mind at the moment, but I'll give it a try:- The Glitterband (but not Gary!) The Sweet (but now their music has come a long way since Funny Funny, so it is safe to mention them now) Abba (didn't like all their music, but there was some interesting bits on their ealy albums. A track called Eagle springs to mind) The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) Graham Bonnet (safe since he joined Rainbow) The Goodies (basically a comedy TV series, but they made a fantastic album called Nothing To Do With Us!!!) I'll think of more eventually. William From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 13:28:12 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:28:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Ha! Good One, William! - Yes to early Abba (lets say that they lost it after Knowing Me, Knowing You...) - course, there's a whole world of un-converteds out there that would place Hawkwind in this part of the thread...... Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Now, how about a list of some artits that you like, but are afraid to admit > it to some people. There's not too many that springs to my mind at the > moment, but I'll give it a try:- > > The Glitterband (but not Gary!) > The Sweet (but now their music has come a long way since Funny Funny, so it > is safe to mention them now) > Abba (didn't like all their music, but there was some interesting bits on > their ealy albums. A track called Eagle springs to mind) > The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) > Graham Bonnet (safe since he joined Rainbow) > The Goodies (basically a comedy TV series, but they made a fantastic album > called Nothing To Do With Us!!!) > > I'll think of more eventually. > > William > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 18 13:34:06 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 05:04:06 +1030 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: I love tits regardles. especialy ertits ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:51 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Now, how about a list of some artits that you like, but are afraid to admit > it to some people. There's not too many that springs to my mind at the > moment, but I'll give it a try:- > > The Glitterband (but not Gary!) > The Sweet (but now their music has come a long way since Funny Funny, so it > is safe to mention them now) > Abba (didn't like all their music, but there was some interesting bits on > their ealy albums. A track called Eagle springs to mind) > The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) > Graham Bonnet (safe since he joined Rainbow) > The Goodies (basically a comedy TV series, but they made a fantastic album > called Nothing To Do With Us!!!) > > I'll think of more eventually. > > William > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Jan 18 13:40:59 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:40:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Abba? Bwaahahahaha! Actually, that was one of those bands that did compose quite good pop songs, some of which, admittedly, made one sick to the stomach, but others were quite good. Didn't want to admit liking them either. Recently, wasn't there an album put out of ABBA covers redone by a bunch of Heavy Metal bands? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 18 14:00:53 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 05:30:53 +1030 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Hey! Me and my very first girlfriend (we were 8 y/o) thought abba was the shit, brutha. with our little cardboard 45 record spinner and the little cruddy built in speaker - we spent many a romantic moment after school listening to abba. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:10 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Abba? Bwaahahahaha! > > Actually, that was one of those bands that did compose quite good pop songs, > some of which, admittedly, made one sick to the stomach, but others were > quite good. Didn't want to admit liking them either. Recently, wasn't > there an album put out of ABBA covers redone by a bunch of Heavy Metal > bands? > From gg at NINJANET.COM Sat Jan 18 13:15:22 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:15:22 +0100 Subject: HW:other bands In-Reply-To: <27839F4FFBF6D21181E20008C7C564080BFC5247@exdkba04.novo.dk> Message-ID: other bands I love: Motorhead - eheh Manowar - True Metal, you know? :) Deep Purple Rainbow Black Sabbath Uriah Heep and some from the extreme gender: Venom Death Darkthrone Carpathian Forest Slayer ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From gg at NINJANET.COM Sat Jan 18 13:10:43 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:10:43 +0100 Subject: HW songs that get you HIGH In-Reply-To: <00b901c2bdb3$7f527060$2ce7223f@laptop> Message-ID: Cpt wrote: > Songs that get me high naturally Lord Of Light (the bass of Lemmy is incredibly amrvellous) Space is Deep Spirit of the Age Brainstorm (the version on Live '79 rulez!) You Shouldn't do That Master of the universe (the version on the Live And Rare disc is the 1st song I heard from Hawkwind) Silver Machine Psy Power and so on and on and on... ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Jan 18 14:10:35 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Does it have Motorhead doing Dancing Queen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Abba? Bwaahahahaha! > > Actually, that was one of those bands that did compose quite good pop songs, > some of which, admittedly, made one sick to the stomach, but others were > quite good. Didn't want to admit liking them either. Recently, wasn't > there an album put out of ABBA covers redone by a bunch of Heavy Metal > bands? From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 18 15:35:28 2003 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:35:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Definitely The Sweet saw them live at Southampton, the Gaumont I think, in the seventies.....brilliant! Also: Sparks Roxy Music and I, er...... also quite liked Middle of the Road, You know Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep and Wheres your Momma gone? however, now playing on the stereo is my pristine vinyl copy of Mountain Live. Nantucket Sleighride........whole of one side. Excellent Dudes Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures : Now, how about a list of some artits that you like, but are afraid to admit : it to some people. There's not too many that springs to my mind at the : moment, but I'll give it a try:- : : The Glitterband (but not Gary!) : The Sweet (but now their music has come a long way since Funny Funny, so it : is safe to mention them now) : Abba (didn't like all their music, but there was some interesting bits on : their ealy albums. A track called Eagle springs to mind) : The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) : Graham Bonnet (safe since he joined Rainbow) : The Goodies (basically a comedy TV series, but they made a fantastic album : called Nothing To Do With Us!!!) : : I'll think of more eventually. : : William : From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 15:36:58 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:36:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2bf1f$5e14ad60$6f61893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - Abba, Abba Gold rules Tears For Fears, undergoing a small revival due to Donnie Darko ELO The Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack. No, really, the full version of Disco Inferno has a certain hypnotic quality to it. Ok, so I'm a sick individual. Consider the Gauntlet thrown... AL --- Ian Abrahams wrote: > Ha! Good One, William! - Yes to early Abba (lets say > that they lost it after > Knowing Me, Knowing You...) - course, there's a > whole world of un-converteds > out there that would place Hawkwind in this part of > the thread...... > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > > > Now, how about a list of some artits that you > like, but are afraid to > admit > > it to some people. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Sat Jan 18 15:45:54 2003 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:45:54 +1300 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: I'm mildly embarrassed, even irritated with myself, for liking: Yes, because as another list-member acknowledged, Jon Anderson's lyrics are ridiculous and so are Wakeman's endless arpeggios (to hear inventive organ playing in popular music you have only to go to Garth Hudson of The Band) however I forget their excesses when I hear Chris Squire's bass; ELP, whose classical cliches are forgiven when I listen to Greg Lake's From the Beginning (I also admire Carl Palmer's drumming); Kate Bush, because she has that I'm-a-schoolgirl-with-bedroom-eyes appeal that causes most grown men to look at their shoes; Ian Hunter solo and with Mott the Hoople, because the music is as formulaic as his hard-living posturing but it's saved by that old-football-sock voice and the odd set of arch lyrics. David Howard From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 18 16:50:13 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:50:13 EST Subject: OFF:War/music dangerous? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/18/2003 2:46:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, dahl at AROS.NET writes: > Music is not dangerous. > > it's power to incite, unite, incite, and inspire, however, is considerable. why else has music of all genres been banned in countless societys throughout recorded history? certainly someone considered it dangerous. from stravinsky's 'the rite of spring' to the damned's 'smash it up', music can 'cause trouble', albeit under the right circumstances (meaning when it is heard by those with the inclination to behave dangerously, i suppose....). so i suppose i do beleive music can be dangerous; and i think rock music should aim at being dangerous... the opposite of which is safe=boring. to these ears and this heart anyway. bobm From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 18:13:05 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:13:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" [snip a bit] > The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) [snip a bit more] yeah, there used to be a great game for winding up Yes fans. get them talking and bring the topic round to 'what do you reckon was Yes' best ever song'. let them have half an hour to do their overblown piece about one song or another. Wait for that strategic two second gap and then get in there. 'Actually, I've always thought the best Yes song ever was......... Video Killed the Radio Star. Then leg it before they sussed the wind up. It was a great time being a Hawkwind fan as a teenager. used to wind up the Genesis/Yes/Wakeman bunch something wicked. Those were the days: Hawkwind, Clash, Specials, Early Madness, Pistols, Motorhead, Ramones, Floyd - remember, this was Liverpool where I grew up. Years later it seemed almost unreal seeing HW in a top ten alongside such prog greats. Stiil, it got them on telly for a few minutes. Mark From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Jan 18 22:35:30 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:35:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Um, I was into Dan Fogelberg's stuff once upon a time (being heavily infatuated with my first girlfriend had clearly robbed me of my sanity). I like Renaissance. I used to like Styx and Triumph (a long time ago). Somehow, the Triumph tune "Little Boy Blues" doesn't impress me any more, and Styx got a bit repulsive with Mr. Roboto, etc. Serious guilty pleasure . . . Yngwie Malmsteen's first album. A band called Star People . . . good stuff Maynard. My wife likes Camper van Beethoven, so I'll probably get hooked on that shit too at some point. "Take the skinheads bowling, take them bowling . . . " :-) Guido William Duffy wrote: >Now, how about a list of some artits that you like, but are afraid to admit >it to some people. There's not too many that springs to my mind at the >moment, but I'll give it a try:- > >The Glitterband (but not Gary!) >The Sweet (but now their music has come a long way since Funny Funny, so it >is safe to mention them now) >Abba (didn't like all their music, but there was some interesting bits on >their ealy albums. A track called Eagle springs to mind) >The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) >Graham Bonnet (safe since he joined Rainbow) >The Goodies (basically a comedy TV series, but they made a fantastic album >called Nothing To Do With Us!!!) > >I'll think of more eventually. > >William > > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 18 22:30:07 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:30:07 +0800 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Although I'm not a big Yes fan, I did really like the one they did with The Buggles (the first track has a great heavy riff). I also quite liked the one Yes fans regard as the worst, Tormato (maybe because the songs are shorter?). I didn't mind Jon Anderson's solo material. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" [snip a bit] > > The Buggles (safe since they became part of Yes) > [snip a bit more] > yeah, there used to be a great game for winding up Yes fans. > get them talking and bring the topic round to 'what do you reckon was Yes' > best ever song'. > let them have half an hour to do their overblown piece about one song or > another. Wait for that strategic two second gap and then get in there. > 'Actually, I've always thought the best Yes song ever was......... Video > Killed the Radio Star. > Then leg it before they sussed the wind up. > It was a great time being a Hawkwind fan as a teenager. used to wind up the > Genesis/Yes/Wakeman bunch something wicked. > Those were the days: > Hawkwind, Clash, Specials, Early Madness, Pistols, Motorhead, Ramones, > Floyd - remember, this was Liverpool where I grew up. > Years later it seemed almost unreal seeing HW in a top ten alongside such > prog greats. Stiil, it got them on telly for a few minutes. > > Mark > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 21:56:03 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:56:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Voïvod (was: Re: other bands) Message-ID: theo wrote: >Didn't the bassist from Metallica just join Voivod? > >theo Good sir, that would be Jason Newstead, also previously of Flotsam And Jetsam (I had a girlfriend once who played "Doomsday For The Deceiver" for me). Newstead originally joined Vo?vod as a shadow member but is now full time. Snake (Denis Belanger) has also rejoined on vocals now that Eric Forrest (vocals and bass) is gone. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 19 00:02:04 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 05:02:04 +0000 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Ah yes Budgie!!!!!! I had "In For The Kill!", they were a pretty good 70's heavy rock band. Along the lines of Third World War, AC/DC, Atomic Rooster... perhaps ahead of their times heralding NWOBHM to some extent. Chr. > My ex wife had an album called - If I were britania I'd waive the rules. It > was quite a cool rock sound. (for lack of a better analogy - and a slightly > hazy memory > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:03 AM > Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > > > > >On 16 Jan 2003 at 10:11, OS-NET wrote: > > > > > >> I would be biased on the Budgie one, I work for them > > >> > > >> Pete > > >> www.budgie.uk.com > > > > What do Budgie actually sound like? The name is always coming up, but I've > > never heard anything by them AFAIK. > > > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From gg at NINJANET.COM Sun Jan 19 03:50:05 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:50:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <00a201c2bd60$6be0cd40$59703bcb@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Bill wrote: > Hurray - a Zeppelin fan :-) eheh, he's not alone > Dream Theatre (a new one for me) (BTW, it is written Dream Theater) argh!! Save yourself! You're in time! They are only 5 good musician with no feelings... I personally hate them :) ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jan 19 05:54:49 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:54:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <012d01c2becc$56ea59c0$7fdcdb42@sony> Message-ID: Do you mean Udo Dirkschneider? > > Brad, still playing UDO, he makes me laugh From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jan 19 06:05:47 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:05:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: My god. I forgot about him. He is an amazing singer. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:54 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > Do you mean Udo Dirkschneider? > > > > > Brad, still playing UDO, he makes me laugh From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 19 06:28:02 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:28:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Summerfest 2003 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merrick French" > YES of course we want another hawkfest!!!! > > It will be busier this year as more people will know about it, but I > think it does need to be kept exculsive in order to keep that special > vibe > love and peace > > Julie > Julie - you certainly convinced me & Stuart at Walthamstow that we were pretty remiss for not going last year...so I'm pretty sure we'd make it this year if it happened. Now to organise that passport! Ian From dahl at AROS.NET Sun Jan 19 07:01:31 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 05:01:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: UDO Message-ID: >>>Do you mean Udo Dirkschneider? Yes, I do. His band is called UDO, basically an extension of Accept. Good players. Brad From gg at NINJANET.COM Sun Jan 19 07:21:30 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:21:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <003501c2bfaa$b84f5e70$ce50a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Stephe wrote: > My god. I forgot about him. He is an amazing singer. Cheers Stephe >> Do you mean Udo Dirkschneider? I saw him last summer at Wacken, he was one of the Headliner: he is always a great man! I didn't know any of him new song, but when he began to sing Midnight Highway... I was crying! ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Jan 19 16:17:42 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:17:42 -0000 Subject: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone Message-ID: let you know soon enough when back in office Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > How much Andy? I need one :) > > --------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > (Alien Dream) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Garibaldi > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > and us - don't forget us!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Andy G (CD Services) > > agcdser at aol.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:08 AM > > Subject: Re: Psychedelic Warlords -White Zone > > > > > > > I believe it still available from cdnow.com,that's where i got mine. > > > tim 8>)... > > > Dr _ Technical wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard or got this? I read about it here > > > > http://www.starfarer.net/recenthist.htmla > > > > and its not something I'm familiar with? Is it any good? Can you > still > > get > > > > it? From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Jan 19 17:24:42 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:24:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <00f201c2bf1e$8a756a30$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: Funny most of the "guilty pleasures" listed I proudly proclaim to be a fan of. For starters I came to Hawkwind from Prog not Metal.. so I think Yes, ELP, etc are amazing. And no you can't wind me up over the Buggles. I was a DJ in Los Angeles in the early 80's when "new wave" started and there were a ton of great bands that have stood the test of time musically. I liked the Buggles before they met up with Yes for the Drama album. I even saw the Buggles meets Yes tour. I loved the Glam/Glitter bands of the 70's and 80's like Queen, Sweet, Kiss etc so I don't feel guilty about those either Ok so then my guilty pleasures: Dan Fogleberg. My wife is into Fogleberg. I saw him live a few years ago and he was touring with a very hard rocking band. Great show. Nancy Griffith. Spice Girls first CD. As a youth I liked the Bay City Rollers and Abba. Neil Diamond. Moody Blues. I loved Styx at the time but except for the first four albums they don't stand up to the test of time. I loved Tears for Fears when they came out. Still do. America Will Smith 3rd Bass. Sade Sting. Ok I won't make anymore of you Ill. The fact is that although Hawkwind consistently lives at the tip top of my loved bands. That my NYS Plates say HWKWND, that like everyone else on this list I own every single "official" Hawkwind release.. .. I still have a very eclectic and wide range of music tastes. MM _____________________________________________ If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. -- Isaac Asimov From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Jan 19 17:29:21 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:29:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <007501c2bf14$7ee9d520$a0a86fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: As do I Captain. Except for the Eve/Turn of a friendly card period it is all pretty damn good. Espeially the Instrumentals MM _____________________________________________ If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. -- Isaac Asimov ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Captain Bl at ck ::Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:10 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands :: :: ::I actually have all the Alan Parson's albums up to and including Vulture ::Culture (Kris, you're welcome to borrow it). From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Jan 19 19:32:45 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:32:45 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering 53 twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - blame the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. Tell me your sins my child!!! Andy G (confessing his sins) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Linsley" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - > > Abba, Abba Gold rules > Consider the Gauntlet thrown... > From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 19 20:14:01 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:14:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <02e601c2c01b$74a956a0$8c387ad5@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <02e601c2c01b$74a956a0$8c387ad5 at dial.pipex.com>, Andrew Garibaldi writes >And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering 53 >twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine >cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - blame >the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any >doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. >Tell me your sins my child!!! >Andy G (confessing his sins) You have 113 Bananarama recordings, and you think that's bad? It's nothing, I can beat that easily. I've got a Barry Manilow album. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Linsley" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > >> Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - >> >> Abba, Abba Gold rules >> Consider the Gauntlet thrown... Eagle is one of my all-time favourite songs. My current favourites - Concrete Blonde Steve Hackett Rush Pekka Pohjohla Beethoven -- David Blair From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Mon Jan 20 02:24:58 2003 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:24:58 +1300 Subject: New email address for David Howard Message-ID: Hello, New Year resolutions are invariably more petty than expectations suggest: one of mine was to change my e-mail address, which you should now record as davidhoward at xtra.co.nz When travelling I will be able to read messages sent here (as if 'here' was anywhere in particular) from a computer with net access; this means there should be fewer delays in advancing projects, confirming restaurant locations, and exchanging malicious gossip about American foreign policy. As Gunnar Ekelof said: Everything has its time, even this darkness and these catacombs - finally life needs those who want a meaning. Warm regards, David Howard From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 02:34:10 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:34:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Priest In-Reply-To: <004801c2bef2$391f9790$7cd0223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: I'm up for it! The silence is unbearable, I can't take anymore. Delatrons are us! Can anyone tell me who the infidels are? I was never quite clear about that one. linuxchaos On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 1:05 pm, you wrote: > We NEED a good old fashioned war. I'm itching for a some merciless blood > leetting. > > Who's up for a bit of carnage? Swords and axes...ehhhh? We need two teams > now. > > sign you name here X > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Re: Priest > > > What about all the Wars inspired by classical music, not to mention > > Wagner! > > > On Saturday 18 Jan 2003 6:37 am, you wrote: > > > >>>but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was > > that > > > > their > > > recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages > > ("Do > > > > it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing it"; > > the > > > > LP > > > (Stained Class) is certified platinum. > > > > > > I "do it" every chance I get. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > NP: British Steel (remastered), yes, I may just go out and break the > > > law tonight. > > > > > > By the way, I think Country music has inspired more suicide attempts > > than > > > > any other type. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 03:35:46 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:35:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <003501c2bfaa$b84f5e70$ce50a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Yeah, top notch! we used to see them in the 80s and they were superb. used to blow everyone away. German bands really have it sussed. I used to like Kiss & Van Halen but after Donington 1987 where I met Lemmy on the way I had a revelation that all music is bollocks apart from Hawkwind, we had a chat and I said "are you going to Hawkwind tommorrow" he didnt answer but shook my hand and walked off to his car. the next day I got back to London and Acid Daze blew me away, Silver machine was incredible! I swapped all the other records i had for hawkwind and motorhead and got my hair cut. I used to hate Motley Crue and Ratt but "Lay it Down" is an ok song, though I dont think they wrote it. Sorry, but I dont think any US Metal bands "have it" especially Kiss which is commercial tripe. "Shake you heads and fill your heart with..... Accept Scorpions MSG Saxon Motorhead......" On Sunday 19 Jan 2003 11:05 am, you wrote: > My god. I forgot about him. He is an amazing singer. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:54 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > Do you mean Udo Dirkschneider? > > > > > Brad, still playing UDO, he makes me laugh From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 04:12:30 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:12:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <02e601c2c01b$74a956a0$8c387ad5@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: [Message deleted by author] From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 20 04:52:59 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:52:59 +0800 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Anyone here ever heard a track by an artist whom they either don't normally like, or something completely different to what you would expect from them, which made you actually sit up & take notice? One example that springs to my mind was the song Eagle by Abba. It was almost what you could call Prog Rock! William From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 20 05:41:31 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:11:31 +1030 Subject: Test - off Message-ID: What is this test for? a) To judge your IQ b) Help increase intelligence by 50% c) just me checking that my email thang is werking ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Mon Jan 20 08:49:29 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:49:29 +1100 Subject: HW:other bands Message-ID: Yes, I would agree that Starfield do not fit the original criteria but "rules were made to be broken". The thing I found of particular interest is the fact that there were only a few other bands that stuck out like - dare I say it - dogs balls, Pink Floyd being the most noticeable. The other artists that were mentioned were from every era in the past 50 years of music & included Buck's Fizz, couldn't resist that. It shows a diverse range of music that in many ways are reflected in the works of Hawkwind - ballads, heavy metal, light rock & pop, stirring primitive rhythms, orchestral movements, blues, pure electronic, poetry, acoustic (unplugged - little licence here) melodies, dance (well almost). This is what I like about the Hawks, you can go to one band & find an album, or song, that will fit any or every mood you are in - one band that throughout history has played it all & after 30+ years can still bring me to tears while completely blowing me away. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Jan 20 15:01:12 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (The Circle is the Square) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:01:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:19:27 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >...Song 1 was entitled "Alotus," so we were hearing >the title track from the next album due out on Klangbad (Faust's home >label... This piece was also on their recent live album "Raunio". Does anyone know when "Alotus" is supposed to come out? > The next tune, another 'prototype-in-progress' called simply "Judas > Priest" on the setlist (some sort of inside joke there I'm guessing), > eventually kicked into an excellent metallized "chorus" of sorts that > indeed had a bit of 'Stained Class' character to it .... as the track > continued into an extended section with one of the guitarists > (Jyrki I think) doing some interesting e-bow/glissando-style playing. That sounds like an exact description of the lead-off track on "Sunrise" right down to the Judas Priest sound, but I guess its not, since you say they played that later... > the form of a 15-minute blistering version of "Dedofiktion" from > the 'Prospekt' album. Also on "Raunio"! If you don't have that yet get it immediately. Recently reissued on Squealer with a long mellow-ish bonus track. >Set-list: >... >Potto >... Was Potto buried in a scree of noise the way it was on "Raunio"? Thanks for the review! Stephan From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jan 20 15:19:49 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:19:49 +0200 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle In-Reply-To: <200301202001.PAA03335@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 15:01 20.1.2003 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:19:27 +0100, Henderson Keith > wrote: > > >...Song 1 was entitled "Alotus," so we were hearing > >the title track from the next album due out on Klangbad (Faust's home > >label... > >This piece was also on their recent live album "Raunio". Does anyone know >when "Alotus" is supposed to come out? Go: http://www.unimeri.com/PsychotropicZone/ > > The next tune, another 'prototype-in-progress' called simply "Judas > > Priest" on the setlist (some sort of inside joke there I'm guessing), > > eventually kicked into an excellent metallized "chorus" of sorts that > > indeed had a bit of 'Stained Class' character to it .... as the track > > continued into an extended section with one of the guitarists > > (Jyrki I think) doing some interesting e-bow/glissando-style playing. > >That sounds like an exact description of the lead-off track on "Sunrise" >right down to the Judas Priest sound, but I guess its not, since you say >they played that later... > > > the form of a 15-minute blistering version of "Dedofiktion" from > > the 'Prospekt' album. > >Also on "Raunio"! If you don't have that yet get it immediately. Recently >reissued on Squealer with a long mellow-ish bonus track. > > >Set-list: > >... > >Potto > >... > >Was Potto buried in a scree of noise the way it was on "Raunio"? > >Thanks for the review! > >Stephan From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 16:37:14 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:37:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: 18 Mike Oldfield singles, plus 12 vinyl and 13 CD albums, and an embarrassing number of Moody Blues and Barclay James Harvest albums...... On the plus side though I have just bought a Gov't Mule CD! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering 53 > twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine > cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - blame > the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any > doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. > Tell me your sins my child!!! > Andy G (confessing his sins) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Linsley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > > > Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - > > > > Abba, Abba Gold rules > > Consider the Gauntlet thrown... > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 19:00:43 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:00:43 -0000 Subject: Test - off Message-ID: >What is this test for? > >a) To judge your IQ >b) Help increase intelligence by 50% >c) just me checking that my email thang is werking d) None of the above - it's a spelling test. :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 20 19:01:30 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:01:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Oh arse. Now I have to run to the racks and play "Mockingbird"... :-) Cheers, Rich. > 18 Mike Oldfield singles, plus 12 vinyl and 13 CD albums, and an > embarrassing number of Moody Blues and Barclay James Harvest > albums...... > On the plus side though I have just bought a Gov't Mule CD! > > jill > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 20 21:29:19 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:29:19 +0800 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: I also have a collection of singles, albums, DVDs, etc., by these same artists, though I don't regard them as guilty pleasures as such. I actually got into Hawkwind because of the Moody Blues, as I just loved the sound of the mellotron, so I started hunting for others that used it too. As soon as I heard the opening to Warrior on the Edge of Time, I was hooked. My introduction to BJH was through an album titled Eye of Wendor, by the Mandalaband, which was a concept album featuring members of various bands, including BJH, 10CC (who I liked up to the point Godley & Creme left), The Moody Blues & Steeleye Span (who I also quite liked). I also just happen to have in my collection recordings by Mud, The Rubettes, & Showaddywaddy. I haven't listened to them for years though. William > 18 Mike Oldfield singles, plus 12 vinyl and 13 CD albums, and an > embarrassing number of Moody Blues and Barclay James Harvest > albums...... > On the plus side though I have just bought a Gov't Mule CD! > > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Garibaldi" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > > > And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering > 53 > > twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine > > cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - > blame > > the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any > > doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. > > Tell me your sins my child!!! > > Andy G (confessing his sins) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Linsley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > > > > > > Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - > > > > > > Abba, Abba Gold rules > > > Consider the Gauntlet thrown... > > > > > > > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jan 21 02:58:13 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:58:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: First, my top ten, in no order at all : Rush Solaris IQ Camel Legendary Pink Dots Ozrics Djam Karet Jethro Tull Aeryon My guilty pleasures: Klaatu Renaissance A huge stack of Moody Blues All The Jean-Michel Jarre that I can get my hands on :) Tangerine Dream' Klaus Schulze Fleetwood mac Old Scorpions:) Have a good one! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On 17 Jan 2003 at 23:37, Brad Dahl wrote: > >>>but the 'writing' of the tune wasn't the issue; the allegation was > >>>that > their > recording of it contained 'backward-masked' suicide-inducing messages > ("Do it! Do It!"). one wonders why kids by the millions weren't "doing > it"; the LP (Stained Class) is certified platinum. > You the man! theo From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 21 08:10:34 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:10:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:19:27 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >> Circle ( x5) > >Well, it's nice to see that one of my favorite groups (that *hardly* >gets the distribution that these other three get on a worldwide basis!) >is so well represented here on this list (ignoring the fact for the >moment that one of the five was from me!). > >Anyway, then (perhaps) my latest concert review (that will appear on >A-I.com momentarily anyway, but what the hey?) might interest more >than just one or two people. Certainly of interest. Circle were a revelation when I saw them in London with AMT in 2001. The only albums I've picked up are Prospekt and Tantuumus, both of which have some excellent tracks- however there is one aspect of their sound I really don't like, namely the lead vocals: sort of bombastic cod-opera meets Judas Priest (them again). Since many of the tracks are instrumental this isn't a *huge* problem but I wonder if the earlier albums are free of this blemish, as I think I read that the vocalist is a relatively recent addition. Comments from those who know? Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 21 08:12:44 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:12:44 -0500 Subject: Re OFF: Other Birds Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:34:37 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >> What do Budgie actually sound like? > >They sing with sort of a 'chirping' sound. Ah, OK, so they're the guys who did "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep". Of course! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 21 08:39:34 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:39:34 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party Message-ID: Ah yes, Uncle Albert does know how to make us salivate, doesn't he? I'll ask some follow-up questions, should Mr. Bouchard have time/desire to comment: 1. Is "Medusa" substantially re-worked from the *Trepanation* version? 2. Is "Frankenstein" a re-working of the Imaginos song? Don't suppose Mr. Cerisano is guesting on vocals? 3. Is "Pissin' Away The Summer" a Joe Bouchard tune from years gone by? I have a recording of something labelled "Back Room Blues" (I think that was the title) from the (I belive) early 80s with Joe singing and I remember the last line of the chorus being "...just pissin' away the summer, trying to forget you. 4. Are any of the other songs (besides the obvious acoustic numbers) former songs demoed in one form or another during BOC album sessions? Looking forward to the new CD!! John > > > Just salivating over here. It's not a pretty sight. Is there anything more > > you'd like to share about the new album? Maybe pop a track over on your MP3 > > site? Is Steve Brodner doing the album cover again? > > Les see here > How about a track list? Will that hold you for now? Steve Brodner is working > on the cover as we speak but it's not done yet. > > Naked If I Want To > State of Emergency > the Red and the Black (acoustic) > Medusa > Krakatoa > Niagara Falls (acoustic) > Frankenstein > Date With A Guitar (acoustic) > Stealin' Thing > Whatever Works > Gas Hog > Pissin' Away The Summer > > -------------- From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Jan 21 08:45:51 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:45:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle Message-ID: Nick asked... > Certainly of interest. Circle were a revelation when I saw > them in London with AMT in 2001. The only albums I've picked > up are Prospekt and Tantuumus, both of which have some > excellent tracks- however there is one aspect of their sound > I really don't like, namely the lead vocals: sort of bombastic > cod-opera meets Judas Priest (them again). Since many of the > tracks are instrumental this isn't a *huge* problem but I > wonder if the earlier albums are free of this blemish, as I > think I read that the vocalist is a relatively recent addition. > Comments from those who know? Oh, this is a different guy. The 'new' vocalist Mika just joined for the 'Sunrise' album and wasn't on (I don't think) any of the earlier albums. (I don't have 'Raunio' here with me in Europe, so I don't recall whether he appeared there also or not...which was why I also didn't remember that "Alotus" first appeared there as well). Anyway, I *think* that most of the vocals from all the earlier days were done by Jussi himself (the leader, and these days mainly just the bassist, at least on stage), but I'm not sure even about that. But then, as you say, most of their stuff is instrumental (until now, with Mika) and so the vocal tracks are normally only 2-3 per album at the most. And 'Andexelt' (I think it is, and maybe 'Fraten' too) is entirely instrumental. Can't remember exactly about 'Pori'...there might be a couple ones there with vocals. Anyway, Mika's singing is totally 'whack' too, and perhaps wouldn't be "your bag," but *I* think it works well with the music (and I never had a problem with Jussi's wacko singing either, esp. on tracks like "Lyhytaallosta" (spelling approximate) from 'Taantuumus' which is just an awesome track in every respect IMHO). So anyway, I think the three discs I mentioned above will all be 'safe' for you. And all three are sufficiently different and so there *is* a point to having them all. 'Fraten' is their most laid-back and 'post-rock-ish' album. 'Andexelt' is mostly long loopy, krauty rhythmic instrumentals, again Can-like. 'Pori' has a lot more range in dynamics, from spooky-ambientish stuff to more raucous space-rocky things like the awesome track "Kartano" and is a good place to start for a Circle 'newbie' wanting to hear the most variety of their works. The really old stuff (from 10 years ago) is more industrial-like, with a lot more heavy fuzz and more screamy vocals, but I bet these are really hard to find these days. Titles include 'Meronia,' 'Zopalki' and the EP/single compilation 'Kollekt.' They are fairly hit-and-miss, but the 'hits' are quite wonderful all the same, including the phenomenal 1-2 punch of the ambient-but-edgy "Brilliant Colours for Bright Ideas" and the countering hard-hitting "Valerian" (here the live version from the Marble Sheep/Circle split live CD being just fantastic, albeit too brief). OK, that should be enough info...note: I think 'Prospekt' is (apart from the excellent 'Dedofiktion' track) perhaps their least interesting studio album. Grakkl (FAA) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 21 10:17:31 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:17:31 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Al wrote: > Les see here > How about a track list? Will that hold you for now? That'll do fine. Thanks! > Steve Brodner is working > on the cover as we speak but it's not done yet. Can't wait to see what he comes up with. > Naked If I Want To I tried that argument at work, but they didn't buy it. > State of Emergency > the Red and the Black (acoustic) This'll be interesting. I can't imagine what it'll sound like. > Medusa One of my fave Surgeons tunes in both the 5- and 3-piece versions! > Krakatoa A "somebody's slightly perturbed" metaphor? Sounds like it'll be a riff-o-rama. > Niagara Falls (acoustic) > Frankenstein I sense an all-out air guitar performance for this one. Better start getting in shape now! > Date With A Guitar (acoustic) > Stealin' Thing "Love will make you clepto. It'll make you swipe heart strings. Because loooooooo-uh-uhv is a stealin' thing." Well, you were recording with Joe, right? > Whatever Works > Gas Hog > Pissin' Away The Summer Right now, while it's 9 degrees outside (-13 C), I vow never to piss away a summer ever again. Thanks for the rundown, Brian From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 21 09:40:36 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:40:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <200301200835.46438.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Ben Fagin wrote: > Sorry, but I dont think any US Metal bands "have > it" especially Kiss which is commercial tripe. Speaking of bad US metal bands, a co-worker of mine occasionally uses the phrase "Suckin' like Dokken" to describe anything that's particularly heinous, musically or otherwise. :-) Of course, a guilty pleasure of mine is the Dokken album "Back For the Attack," especially the song "Kiss of Death." I also quite enjoy the Pseudo-Sabbath album "TYR," which, I think, received one star on the All Music Guide. And by the time I was four years old, I had collected a decent number of Disco 45s (my parents didn't care one way or the other) including Chic, Donna Summer and the Bee Gees (R.I.P. Maurice). The guitar solo in DS's "Hot Stuff" still blows me away.... Dancin' Fool, Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 21 09:50:05 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:50:05 EDT Subject: OFF: Guilty pleasure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21 Jan 2003 at 9:40, Brian Halligan wrote: > Of course, a guilty pleasure of mine is the Dokken album "Back For the > Attack," especially the song "Kiss of Death." I like Dokken's live album [with the Japanes art on the cover?] Yeah, you have to hold your nose at the lyrics, but George is a rippin' guitar player, one of the best ever. And his instrumental, Mr. Scary, requires no nose-holding... And I'll chip in with Night Ranger. Again, execrable lyrics and smarmy singing, but 2 smokin' gtr players in that band, and a great keyboardist too... I also quite enjoy the > Pseudo-Sabbath album "TYR," which, I think, received one star on the > All Music Guide. > Guilty as charged. I've got every album Sab made. Tony's gtr playing's enough for me to buy them... theo From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Jan 21 11:03:24 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:03:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: Brian (the dancin fool) wrote : I also quite enjoy the Pseudo-Sabbath album "TYR," which, I think, received one star on the All Music Guide. Hey, I liked that album too. I was just a shame the band didn't feel confident enough to play more songs from it when they toured that album. Certainly worth more than one star. Ob Tyr tune : Valhalla From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 21 11:13:58 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: TYR (was OFF: Other bands) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil Shilladay wrote: > Hey, I liked that album too. I was just a shame the band didn't feel > confident enough to play more songs from it when they toured that album. > Certainly worth more than one star. > > Ob Tyr tune : Valhalla You, me, Theo, that makes three. Anyone else want to fess-up? I love the Latin chanting/singing at the beginning of Anno Mundi, and the way the balady Odin's Court melds into the crushing Valhalla. I checked All Music again and it did receive one star. But the reviewer liked it. I guess the ratings aren't tied to the review? > Gothic in approach, but crushing guitar riffs galore, T Y R followed Black > Sabbath's previous return to the spotlight by less than a year. Again leaning > heavily on the darker side of life, or perhaps, death, T Y R is a set of tunes > loosely based around the Norse tales of Odin and the gods of war. "Valhalla" > is unlike anything the old Sabbath tried, yet still sounds familiar. "The > Sabbath Stones" mix myth with metal in a crushing display of musical > synthesis. With T Y R, Black Sabbath sounded as serious as can be. ? James > Chrispell Brian "Leading us on to the land of eternity. Riding the cold, cold...winds of Valhalla!" [blanga blanga, etc.] :-) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 21 06:14:47 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:14:47 +0000 Subject: HW: my Hawkwind recommendations Message-ID: Just thought I had to post my recommendations in alt.punk from awhile back to someone asking for recommendations on Hawkwind, and I answered thusly: Re: Hey Fairy Yuga Speedfreak... On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:51:47 GMT, Ned Ludd wrote: >I listened to some Hawkwind the other night and was duly impressed for >the most part. I mean, it's kind of hit-or-miss...some of the stuff >I've heard is a little too hippy/Pink-Floyd-y. But that heavy shit like >"Sliver Machine" and "Motorhead" (duh)...Oh, mama! I don't know why I >never got into this stuff before... > >Anyway, can you recommend a good CD release that's heavy on the heavy >and light on the spacey?? Favorites: * "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" - original Flicknife release w/bonus tracks like "Assault & Battery" and the original version of the album which includes the ripping speedmetal of "Arioch", it is scorching heavy metal based on the books by Michael Moorcock * "Friday Rock Show Sessions: Reading '86" - great live set with Lemmy guesting on "Silver Machine" and a great version of "Assassins Of Allah" * "Choose Your Masques Collector's Edition: Live '82" - great rerelease from their early 80's metal anarchy/NWOBHM period with highlights like "Arrival In Utopia" and "Social Alliance" * "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" - remaster edition recorded in 1974 partially at the Edmonton Sundown with classic psychedelic tracks like "You'd Better Beleive It" and "Web Weaver" * "Sonic Attack" - 1981 album rereleased on CD by EBS, the album has classic tracks like "Living On A Knife Edge" and "Trans-Dimensional Man" - Tibetan Book of The Dead optional in the metal anarchy! * "Live 1997" - brilliant live set including recent members Ron "Bastard" Tree and Jerry Richards doing scorching punk tracks like "Reptoid Vision" and "Phetamine Street" * "PXR5" - 1978 release with the same lineup as "Quark, Strangeness And Charm" and includes such classic sf new wave as "Robot", "High Rise", "Jack Of Shadows" and others * "Warrior On The Edge Of Time" - the Dojo CD edition of this classic 1975 fantasy epic includes the original version of "Motorhead" as well as "Kings Of Speed", otherwise "Opa-Loka" and "Assault & Battery" and other classics are included on this last album with Lemmy, and also has Michael Moorcock doing some crazy spoken pieces * "Electric Tepee" - a masterful 1992 release from the power trio of Brock/Davey/Chadwick with a massive psychedelic track like "LSD" opening the album along with other tracks like "Snake Dance" and "Blue Shift" also being classics enjoy! Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 11:27:48 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:27:48 EST Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: My definition: Music you know is "Bad", but love anyway. Angel Uriah Heep The Godz (Michigan; 2 late 70's lps on Casablanca) Atomic Rooster -bobm From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 11:35:08 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:35:08 EST Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: Sparks From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Jan 21 11:41:45 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:41:45 +0100 Subject: guilty pleasures Message-ID: BM suggests... > My definition: > Music you know is "Bad", but love anyway. > > Angel > Uriah Heep > The Godz (Michigan; 2 late 70's lps on Casablanca) I thought they were from Ohio. I think I even saw them in a small club in Youngstown when I was but a teenager, and 18 was still the drinking age there. But then, wasn't there another band called the Gods/Godz that were actually related to the band listed just above? Kerslake and such? They would then of course have been English, eh? Well, not such a big deal in any case. Grakkl (FAA), who with this definition can only talk (again) about Blondie's "Heart of Glass" (and maybe Ohio Express from when I was just a tiny creature, but then for the latter I would hardly say I continue to 'love' such drivel), because I don't really know that 10,000 Maniacs are "Bad" (because the songs that I *know* are "Bad" I hate just as much as the rest of you) and because Komeda, who sound like Abba mixed with Can, aren't "Bad" either despite their copious sugar-coating. P.S. That Madonna song from the 2nd (or was it the 3rd already?) Austin Powers movie was fairly interesting I thought...but then I only heard it two or three times by chance and so it hardly was very popular, as compared to the Ray of Light thingy (not awful) and the new Bond theme (horrid). P.P.S. I always thought a death-metal band should cover Stacey Q's "Two of Hearts"...but then Type O Negative went and did Seals & Crofts' "Summer Breeze" so that kinda made that M.O. a done deal already.... From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Jan 21 11:49:59 2003 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:49:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <78.360754ff.2b5ecf04@aol.com> Message-ID: Starz Angel Kiss From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 11:53:26 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:53:26 EST Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2003 11:50:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, jguizar at STNY.RR.COM writes: > Starz > Angel > Kiss > Daslud has referred to Starz in conversation as 'AeroKiss'... got all the records, and they do suck........ .........but i love 'em bobm From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 21 12:01:59 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:01:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <000601c2bf25$47944630$ce50a944@amyandstephe>; from lindas1@ADELPHIA.NET on Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:10:35PM -0500 Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:10:35PM -0500, Stephe Lindas wrote: > Does it have Motorhead doing Dancing Queen? I'd like to hear ABBA doing The Watcher -- now *that'd* be twisted :-) Or a soul cover of.... Lead singer: I've got a silver machine Backup singers: [syncro dancing] Ooo Ooo Ooo Horn section: blat blat -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 13:51:36 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:51:36 EST Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/03 9:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > I'd like to hear ABBA doing The Watcher -- now *that'd* be > twisted :-) Who the hell is James Last, btw?? Still trying to suss out all those Red Dwarf references (He's part of the world's worst villains along w/Hitler, Calugula, The Boston Strangler, etc in "Meltdown" - Lister recognized him from Rimmer's record collection). I think I even saw a reference to him here recently. Did he actually do something w/"Silver Machine"?? thanks, Chuck, who recently enjoyed some Bee Gees - my girl and I both thought that the Gibbs' backing vox at the end of one tune sounded like falsetto sheep From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 21 14:01:37 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:01:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures > My definition: > Music you know is "Bad", but love anyway. > > Angel > Uriah Heep > The Godz (Michigan; 2 late 70's lps on Casablanca) > Atomic Rooster > > -bobm > From ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM Tue Jan 21 14:06:26 2003 From: ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM (Chris Purdon) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:06:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Here's a link for all you need to know: www.jameslast.com. And yes, he did a cheesy version of Silver Machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In a message dated 1/21/03 9:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > I'd like to hear ABBA doing The Watcher -- now *that'd* be > twisted :-) Who the hell is James Last, btw?? Still trying to suss out all those Red Dwarf references (He's part of the world's worst villains along w/Hitler, Calugula, The Boston Strangler, etc in "Meltdown" - Lister recognized him from Rimmer's record collection). I think I even saw a reference to him here recently. Did he actually do something w/"Silver Machine"?? thanks, Chuck, who recently enjoyed some Bee Gees - my girl and I both thought that the Gibbs' backing vox at the end of one tune sounded like falsetto sheep From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 21 14:07:31 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:07:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: I have to admit that James Last is a guilty pleasure of mine. OK, OK, not his stuff from about 1973 onwards, but the early Non-Stop Dancing albums from '67 and '68 are really quite good, he had a great band of musicians there. Great production, too. I used to have an old Bush Radiogram, and as a kid those records sounded wonderful on it. And Voodoo Party (1972) features some of the fattest synth sounds this side of Isao Tomita. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > In a message dated 1/21/03 9:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, > erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > > > I'd like to hear ABBA doing The Watcher -- now *that'd* be > > twisted :-) > > Who the hell is James Last, btw?? Still trying to suss out all those Red > Dwarf references (He's part of the world's worst villains along w/Hitler, > Calugula, The Boston Strangler, etc in "Meltdown" - Lister recognized him > from Rimmer's record collection). I think I even saw a reference to him here > recently. Did he actually do something w/"Silver Machine"?? > thanks, Chuck, who recently enjoyed some Bee Gees - my girl and I both > thought that the Gibbs' backing vox at the end of one tune sounded like > falsetto sheep From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 21 14:34:50 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:04:50 +1030 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: He's some sort of a folk singer from the uk - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > In a message dated 1/21/03 9:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, > erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > > > I'd like to hear ABBA doing The Watcher -- now *that'd* be > > twisted :-) > > Who the hell is James Last, btw?? Still trying to suss out all those Red > Dwarf references (He's part of the world's worst villains along w/Hitler, > Calugula, The Boston Strangler, etc in "Meltdown" - Lister recognized him > from Rimmer's record collection). I think I even saw a reference to him here > recently. Did he actually do something w/"Silver Machine"?? > thanks, Chuck, who recently enjoyed some Bee Gees - my girl and I both > thought that the Gibbs' backing vox at the end of one tune sounded like > falsetto sheep > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 16:02:49 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:02:49 EST Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2003 2:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? > it is indeed... "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." -bobm From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 21 16:07:52 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:07:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: I thought they were from the NE Ohio area. Anyways that song is a classic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: OFF: guilty pleasures > In a message dated 1/21/2003 2:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > > > > Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? > > > > it is indeed... > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > > -bobm From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 21 16:38:23 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:38:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD Message-ID: Guess I didn't have to wait long to find out what was on the CD. From blueoystercult.com : > A new compilation disc, titled "Then And Now" will be released March 18, 2003. > The disc features 12 songs, 4 each from "A Long Day's Night", "Curse of the > Hidden Mirror" and "Heaven Forbid." > > From the live "A Long Day's Night" record: Godzilla, Burnin' For You, (Don't > Fear) The Reaper and Cities on Flame. From "Heaven Forbid": Harvest Moon, Cold > Grey Light of Dawn, Damaged and See You In Black. From "Curse of the Hidden > Mirror": One Step Ahead of the Devil, Dance on Stilts, Old Gods Return and > Pocket. Disappointing choices from LDN. Everything else looks good, though I'd probably swap One Step Ahead of the Devil with Stone of Love or Here Comes That Feeling. Would've been nice to throw in an unreleased track or two as well, just to give the diehards a reason to buy it. Though on the other hand, I'm glad I don't have to spend $15 for two tracks. -Brian "I'm damaged and I like it" Halligan From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 21 16:38:26 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:38:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21 Jan 2003 at 16:38, Brian Halligan wrote: > > A new compilation disc, titled "Then And Now" will be released March > > 18, 2003. The disc features 12 songs, 4 each from "A Long Day's > > Night", "Curse of the Hidden Mirror" and "Heaven Forbid." > > > > From the live "A Long Day's Night" record: Godzilla, Burnin' For > > You, (Don't Fear) The Reaper and Cities on Flame. From "Heaven > > Forbid": Harvest Moon, Cold Grey Light of Dawn, Damaged and See You > > In Black. From "Curse of the Hidden Mirror": One Step Ahead of the > > Devil, Dance on Stilts, Old Gods Return and Pocket. > > Disappointing choices from LDN. You got THAT right! Why didn't they include the stuff from the DVD that wasn't on LDN? Esp. considering that most of it's better than the stuff they did put on LDN? A killer LDoM, Flaming Telepaths, a great D&S? Arghh... Everything else looks good, though I'd > probably swap One Step Ahead of the Devil with Stone of Love or Here > Comes That Feeling. Absolutely. Well, at least they didn't put those 2 EB love songs on there! > > Would've been nice to throw in an unreleased track or two as well, > just to give the diehards a reason to buy it. Though on the other > hand, I'm glad I don't have to spend $15 for two tracks. > Yep, nothing on there to interest me. What a brilliant marketing decision! theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 21 17:45:15 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:45:15 +0000 Subject: NIK: All the Christmas Parties No. 1 Message-ID: Dear All, very very late, I know. Massive backlogs of e-mail, tribes of hostile natives, all kinds of stuff: but I did promise Alan that this would be sent out to the list, and I wrote it on the train out of London after the Greasy Truckers Party last November so it woudl be fresh... ha. Anyway. "The Mean Fiddler's not a bad little venue apart from the management and the drinks: the staff are always friendly, and the floor space and stage is good." Though now I think of it the stairwell being in the middle like that is a bit annoying. But if I subedit this it'll be even longer so I'll stop. "Inner City Unit (or whatever it was; the Inner City Pompadours was I think Nik's final decision) started while I was still outside, well before Nik's site's claim of 19:30, but I think I only missed one number. I came in just as they started `Solitary Astrid', and then spent a while taking in the lineup, which was, um, unorthodox. >From left to right, then, we had Commander Jim Hawkman on synths, Nik Turner on sax and vocals, Dave Anderson on lead bass, Nasr Ali-Khan on rhythm bass", yes, two bass guitars and no normal ones, you got it, I did make sure honest, "Terry Ollis on drums and the woman with the big hair who was at the last few gigs and whose name I have never heard. Can I say now, but for the fact that she's tone-deaf, amateur, has no sense of timing, and can't sing or play, she's lots of fun. I don't think this brave attempt at a rally when the the group won't play came off, but had she not had her oar in, it might just have done. "Anyway, setlist was whatever they started with, `Solitary Astrid'. `Little Black Egg', `Watching the Grass Grow'. `The Crusher', `Space Invaders'. `Fungus Among Us', `Bones of Elvis', `Gas Money' and `In The Nood'. Of these some definitely didn't work with that little treble, `Astrid', `Grass' and `Space Invaders' most obviously. For all of them had Anderson been playing with all he had it might have worked but he only let loose a few times. Better than Nasr though, who couldn't stay on as well as one might have liked. On the other hand, `Fungus' was barely affected and `The Crusher' and `Bones of Elvis' became different songs that worked just as well. None of it was good enough to work better though. A brave try, as I say, but not good enough. And Hawkman was nothing as usual: I mention this only because of later. "Tell you what though, Tractor were rather fine. I didn't know any of their stuff but the drummer is very good (still) and the other guy still has a good voice. They did a song about war leaders which was very powerfully put over and several other pieces I was pleasantly surprised by. For the last two numbers they were joined y Eric Bell, a man whose sole claim to fame appears to be having written `Whiskey in the Jar', so they did that, with Bell on guitar that may have been good once; he seemed to remember this but not how to get there and Jim Milne on bass (which he did well) and some blues number where Bell really started to grate. But the actual Tractor set was really quite pretty. "Did I mention the MC was Andy Dunkley? It took me a while to be sure. He has become a grey-haired man in a puffer jacket, but still quite sharp and unhecklable. "Then there was the Hawkestra. This was chaos for much of it, but a real freakout also. Line-up was as follows, stage right to stage left: Commander Jim Hawkman on synths, Sam Ollis on drumkit two, Jerry Richards on lead guitar, Ron Tree on bass and occasional vocals, Adrian Shaw on bass, Nik Turner on sax, flute and vocals, Dave Anderson on bass, Thomas Crimble on guitar and twelve-string acoustic, Mick Slattery on lead guitar, Alice Rhubarb (apparently) on vocals, Marian Windmill on djembe and for a few numbers Thomas Hewitt on guitar and Nick Calvert on backing vocals (`D-Rider' and `Silver Machine' only). I have to mention the dancers. I may possibly lech. The woman who's danced for ICU was there, powerful and dignified and most importantly a good dancer; but there was also a big blonde lass of abundant stature who couldn't dance as well but was really giving it everything she had. It was very difficult not to look at her and figure she must, generally, be a lot of fun. People behind me were decided she was a stripper but if they were hopiing for Stacia they were disappointed, she only got down to her underwear. But they were both lots better than Hawkwind's usual dancers, Kris of course excepted because of being incendiary. They made it lots of fun to watch. Alice Rhubarb on the other hand appeared to be a kind of sub-fusc Iggy Pop, who realising that he would never be Iggy, had dragged up and covered himself in glitter, and it didn't really help. Neither could he sing. The woma with the djembe could also have been dispensed with, In fact so could (it's heresy I know) Adrian Shaw, who was right at the back and indistinguishable for the bass noise. But everyone else did well, especially, and this did surprise me because he's never been anything other than forgettable ever while on stage before now", where I've seen anyway, "Jim Hawkman. He was no Del, but he did better than Dik Mik would have done undrugged. Lots of swoosh, quite well-felt too, I would have kept him on if I'd only ever seen that performance. Jerry was also very good, but seemed to be taking his job much more seriously than everyone else. There was a lot of space noise and some damn good solos coming from him but only once did anyone else in band apart from Ron, who stayed close to him, seem to notice. "So the set-list opened with a rather shhaky `Born To Go' that took a very long time to take form. Vocals were uncertain (Ron and Nik) and out of place, or the case of Rhubarb just random. It didn't really take off, it managed a minute or so of hop but otherwise it was thud thud along the ground. Last year I gave a deep analysis of all the communication going on; it wasn't there this year. Jerry was watching other people by the end so as to try and be relevant and involved, but otherwise there was not much communication, and this made stopping, especially the Ollis power drum duo (the boy is the spit image of young Terry, it's very scary, and was clearly feeling the rhythm very strongly, he was well away), very difficult. `Born To Go' actually ended fairly cleanly, I think because everyone was lost. They followed it with `Orgone Accumulator' which was only just recognisable, and didn't sound much good. There was one patch where Jerry got a solo and the band brifely became his backing group but that didn't really save it. There was no free flight section as there is on the original, just monophonic bashing at the riff, and if anyone left it he was drowned out. I could hear Slattery this time, sometimes, but though at least he was playing out a bit he was nothing geat. But the swoosh was very good. "So, not very good so far, which only shows how wrong you can be because now they did `Master of the Universe' and it was _great_. Perfect. Best I've heard, except possibly the Fairfield Halls '98 one where Nik playd in tune; but with the real bass part which hits harder. I loved it. And they followed it with `D-Rider', which was, well, as it always is, how much can go wrong, and that was therefore good. After that a rattling `Brainstorm', not great but perfectly good, and lastly `Silver Machine' with Nick Calvert singing out of pitch at points and looking, again, very lost. Then they cleared us out, but very slowly, I was favourably impressed by the floor staff considering what they're normally like. "Afterthoughts: the dancers wee good. The big blonde lass got a lot of applause, partluy because a lot of the audience clearly appreciated her as much as I did, but partly just for having so much fun on stage. A second thing: it was all freaky and pretty lights, and the venue has a cafe that does decent burgers, and the bar staff boither to smile as they overcharge you. And the atmospheree in the crowd was really good. ICP got heckled, but lots of people were very happy to see Tractor, and I got dragged into dancing by several people during Hawkestra and I wasn't the only one. "A last thought. As I'd been walking to the venue from college, I passed the British Museum, which is currently", or was when I write this originally anyway, "hosting a Korean exhibition. Some function on there this evening was being announced by a Korean drum duo outside, and thet were very very good, and why I was late for ICP. I could have watched them all night for free, and I only didn't because otherwise I'd never see waht happened with ICP. But I heard them mightily in my head all the way there and I could still hear them after ICP. I forgot about them during Tractor and only remembered as I walked north to St Pancras for a strange weekend. So I think it must have been fun, don't you?" Yours, Jon ObCD: The MC5 - _Kick Out The Jams_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE Tue Jan 21 18:38:31 2003 From: jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE (Jean Collin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:38:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Circle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello again! As a gig promoter I received "alotus" quite a while ago. It's a 47.11 minute and 6-track album on Klangbad. jean At 14:45 21/01/03 +0100, you wrote: >Nick asked... > > > Certainly of interest. Circle were a revelation when I saw > > them in London with AMT in 2001. The only albums I've picked > > up are Prospekt and Tantuumus, both of which have some > > excellent tracks- however there is one aspect of their sound > > I really don't like, namely the lead vocals: sort of bombastic > > cod-opera meets Judas Priest (them again). Since many of the > > tracks are instrumental this isn't a *huge* problem but I > > wonder if the earlier albums are free of this blemish, as I > > think I read that the vocalist is a relatively recent addition. > > Comments from those who know? > >Oh, this is a different guy. The 'new' vocalist Mika just >joined for the 'Sunrise' album and wasn't on (I don't think) >any of the earlier albums. (I don't have 'Raunio' here with >me in Europe, so I don't recall whether he appeared there also >or not...which was why I also didn't remember that "Alotus" first >appeared there as well). > >Anyway, I *think* that most of the vocals from all the earlier >days were done by Jussi himself (the leader, and these days mainly >just the bassist, at least on stage), but I'm not sure even about >that. But then, as you say, most of their stuff is instrumental >(until now, with Mika) and so the vocal tracks are normally only >2-3 per album at the most. And 'Andexelt' (I think it is, and >maybe 'Fraten' too) is entirely instrumental. Can't remember >exactly about 'Pori'...there might be a couple ones there with >vocals. > >Anyway, Mika's singing is totally 'whack' too, and perhaps wouldn't >be "your bag," but *I* think it works well with the music (and I >never had a problem with Jussi's wacko singing either, esp. >on tracks like "Lyhytaallosta" (spelling approximate) from >'Taantuumus' which is just an awesome track in every respect IMHO). >So anyway, I think the three discs I mentioned above will all be >'safe' for you. And all three are sufficiently different and >so there *is* a point to having them all. 'Fraten' is their most >laid-back and 'post-rock-ish' album. 'Andexelt' is mostly long >loopy, krauty rhythmic instrumentals, again Can-like. 'Pori' >has a lot more range in dynamics, from spooky-ambientish stuff >to more raucous space-rocky things like the awesome track "Kartano" >and is a good place to start for a Circle 'newbie' wanting to hear >the most variety of their works. The really old stuff (from 10 years >ago) is more industrial-like, with a lot more heavy fuzz and more >screamy vocals, but I bet these are really hard to find these days. >Titles include 'Meronia,' 'Zopalki' and the EP/single compilation >'Kollekt.' They are fairly hit-and-miss, but the 'hits' are quite >wonderful all the same, including the phenomenal 1-2 punch of the >ambient-but-edgy "Brilliant Colours for Bright Ideas" and the >countering hard-hitting "Valerian" (here the live version from the >Marble Sheep/Circle split live CD being just fantastic, albeit too >brief). > >OK, that should be enough info...note: I think 'Prospekt' is (apart >from the excellent 'Dedofiktion' track) perhaps their least interesting >studio album. > >Grakkl (FAA) From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jan 21 18:23:26 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:23:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 04:38 PM 1/21/03 -0500, you wrote: >Guess I didn't have to wait long to find out what was on the CD. From >blueoystercult.com : (snip) Argh. I wonder if the artwork will be a collage of all the chronos symbols on those 3 discs? To paraphrase Chistopher Walken, "we need more chronos..." wait a second, this best-of-for-the-past-decade-plus-a-lil-extra is missing tracks from Cult Classic... :) I think they should release that cool promo "God Save the Blue Oyster Cult >From Themselves" with the demo's of Hot Rails to Hell and John L. Sullivan. Has anyone on the list actually seen, or owned, this disc? If so, how do those two doodads sound? Presently obsessed with the guitar in "What is Quicksand?", Jason From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Jan 21 19:18:32 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:18:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Wow Mike...... You have alot to feel guilty about....") While I say that I came to HW via Motorhead, I was a big Prog freak as a kid, as well...... Way back when, Yes and ELP were 2 of my favorites.... In fact, in 1984 when I bought my first CD player and the first batch of CD's, I got the Yes Album and Brain Salad Surgery........ I even got put in jail for disturbing the peace when I borrowed a new (at the time) Harmon Kardon 100 watt integrated amp and blasted Close To The Edge....... I have to say though.... I never liked the Buggles. I hated the Video Killed The Radio Star song and I thought that the addition of Buggles to Yes was the beginning of the end for them. Dram had some high points, but after that.... Of course, it's my understanding that Chris Squire wanted to take the band off to the pop realm. So there ya go...... Peace, D -----Original Message----- From: Mike Montfort [mailto:mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Funny most of the "guilty pleasures" listed I proudly proclaim to be a fan of. For starters I came to Hawkwind from Prog not Metal.. so I think Yes, ELP, etc are amazing. And no you can't wind me up over the Buggles. I was a DJ in Los Angeles in the early 80's when "new wave" started and there were a ton of great bands that have stood the test of time musically. I liked the Buggles before they met up with Yes for the Drama album. I even saw the Buggles meets Yes tour. I loved the Glam/Glitter bands of the 70's and 80's like Queen, Sweet, Kiss etc so I don't feel guilty about those either Ok so then my guilty pleasures: Dan Fogleberg. My wife is into Fogleberg. I saw him live a few years ago and he was touring with a very hard rocking band. Great show. Nancy Griffith. Spice Girls first CD. As a youth I liked the Bay City Rollers and Abba. From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Jan 21 19:32:18 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:32:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre in general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda crap...... There were some eclectic so-called "New Wave" bands that were cool though..... XTC, The Stranglers, Boomtown Rats, Gary Numan... But the crap on the radio and MTV was awful and overall I am a firm believer that the 1980's sucked! I graduated high school in 1983, so I think I know a little about that time period. Just before graduation, we were jammin Iron Maiden's Piece of Mind, not Tears For Queers or whatever (sorry Mike ").... And while, I think that European metal bands do have the edge on American metal bands, lumping all American Metal bands into the Motley Crue, Ratt, Kiss mold is underselling us Yanks by a longshot. To me, that's like saying punk was invented in England. By saying that - a person is overlooking Iggy and The Stooges, The MC5 and the Ramones..... who were "Kickin Out The Jams, Mother Fuckers!" long before the Sex Pistols said "Never Mind The Bollocks"..... I love all 5 bands listed below. I even went to see Motley Crue in 1984 at Veterans Memorial in Columbus, Ohio because SAXON was the opening band. The show was scheduled to start at 8:00 PM. We got there at 7:20 PM to be sure to see SAXON and they were 1/2 way through their set. I was pissed!! Peace, D -----Original Message----- From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:36 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands Yeah, top notch! we used to see them in the 80s and they were superb. used to blow everyone away. German bands really have it sussed. I used to like Kiss & Van Halen but after Donington 1987 where I met Lemmy on the way I had a revelation that all music is bollocks apart from Hawkwind, we had a chat and I said "are you going to Hawkwind tommorrow" he didnt answer but shook my hand and walked off to his car. the next day I got back to London and Acid Daze blew me away, Silver machine was incredible! I swapped all the other records i had for hawkwind and motorhead and got my hair cut. I used to hate Motley Crue and Ratt but "Lay it Down" is an ok song, though I dont think they wrote it. Sorry, but I dont think any US Metal bands "have it" especially Kiss which is commercial tripe. "Shake you heads and fill your heart with..... Accept Scorpions MSG Saxon Motorhead......" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 21 19:29:42 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:29:42 +0000 Subject: HW: All the Christmas Parties No. 2: HW at Walthamstow Message-ID: Dear All, this one I write fresh now, which means of course that it will be much shorter as I don't remember so clearly. But anyway. We were late in and had seats on the balcony, which meant that we weren't allowed downstairs and saw no-one else from the list. A pity but as Litmus had already started more or less as we came in I didn't stop to worry. They, well, they're really quite good aren't they. As I searched for descriptions I could only come up with, it's like there was a bunch of punks who got so bored with both punk and all this modern heavy metal everyone wanted them to play that they stopped for a bit, and the one day when they were all stopping round the bass-player's place for a smoke someone they didn't know very well had a copy of _Space Ritual_, played it at them once and vanished leaving them to try and recreate it only using what they could vaguely remember and what they could already do. I realise they must have a good few copies of it between them but it sounds like they were trying to do that but without being able to copy it properly. They had very drawn-out shouty vocals which I found a little too loud, but the song structures were choppy and metal and moved a great deal within a slower-changing dynamic from song end to song end. I enjoyed their set very much. They promise an album next year, and I can't wait. I don't know if they will be the band that will save space-rock now that Farflung have quit, and they won't make the music I want to have someone make, but their doing what they want will do very nicely meanwhile. I highly recommend catching them if you possibly can. The bill had been rather confused, as it listed Tim Blake and Arthur Brown separately and we weren't sure how they would fit four bands in in the time. In fact next band on was Hawkwind, including Messrs Blake and Brown onboard, and so that was OK and put an end to my worries about having to leave early for last train and so on. The sound was OK for once, but there was one spot stage right that shone right in my eyes for most of the set and did cause me some synesthesic can't-hear-properly problems. Bah. Anyway. First thing that must be said is Dave played guitar. Lots of it. It sounded damn good. I was happy just with that. May be just as well as Tim Blake wasn't all that. Everyone else was fine, and Arthur Brown was very himself, but the band don't really know what to do witgh him any more than they do with Blake sometimes. The songs don't *need* a man with a three-octave range singing them, they were never designed for that sort of voice and he doesn't have anything much he can do with them. I'd have been much much happier with Ron singing. And it's nothing against Arthur Brown, whom I think is fantastic, it's just that there was no need for his talent. Song by song is the only way for anything more detailed, anyway. If my recollection falters forgive me, but the set-list I wrote down at the time was like this, played by Tim Blake, Richard Chadwick, Al? Davey and Dave Brock, and there was someone sat by the drum-kit all set and I couldn't work out if he was emergency roadie, switch-doctor or extra swoosh or what. If the last he wasn't audible. Anyway. They opened with take one at `Earth Calling', the take at it that has lots of noise wash and spoken vocals, some of which had come from the _Spacebrock_ version however, and this turned into `Aerospaceage Inferno'. This rather proved my point that Arthur Brown is not the man to sing songs whose vocal line is a monotone but it was far from bad. Just that the Ron-fronted line-up made this one its own. The mid-section that Ron built into `Ejection' turned up here too, only briefly and without the words but it was there which I found slightly odd. Next was `Angels of Death', and well, this was as good as it has been. I think *this* incarnation has taken possession of this song. No complaints. Dave did the vocals as is right and proper. Also, it had developed a new break at the end, which spoke of new things to come, only short but there. Then, `Out of the Shadows'. Well, I mean,. I'd been playing _California Brainstorm_ before we left to get into the mood, and the song hasn't changed much in the twelve years it's been in the wardrobe. Missed Harvey but Dave was there in full force, and there was even a bit where he wasn't playing what was on the record :-) Not that I minded at all, that sort of playing is very good medicine for this head and it's great to see Dave letting rip like that. I think having neither Simon nor Huw to do lead brings him out of his shell, or stops him being able to retreat into it. If I didn't love them so much I'd wish they never come back. As it is I want Simon to manage to appear with Bedouin when I can see them at least... But I digress. Arthur Brown returned for `Time Captives', which wa sprobably quite good from the floor where Brown standing on an amp to give a something like nine-foot height to solemly declaim from would have made the whole thing very haunting. From above it all though I was rather bored with it. The lyrics were lame; I was expecting better by Arthur Brown, and it has no progression either lyrically or musically. Oh well. They played it well enough, it seemed. Then, `Master of the Universe', and well, I've seen better. Arthur Brown did seem to be, if not remembering the words, at least singing words of his own he was prepared to remember, which weren't as good, and everyone was on form all right, but it was nothing special. But then, hell, I liked the Hawkestra version which was nothing like as well-played so what would I know, right? But it wasn't quite there I thought. `Gremlin Pt. 2', with Arthur Brown on full force on a song that actually was designed for his voice, however, was a bit more like it. Again he seemed to have made changes to the words, and while I can live with this when theuy're Nik's anyone modifying Calvert needs to do better than that. But I couldn't argue with the performance, except that with Tim and Dave on synth the final big chords seemed cheesy and ineffective compared to the rest of the thing. I'm not sure what they could have done about that but it was sort of anticlimactic all the same. The second Brown number appeared next, possibly called `Time To Time' or something like that, and this I thought was more interesting but less powerful than `Time Captives' and that's about all you could say. But, it was followed with a minute or two of new song! Or so it seemed to me. That sixty-whatever percent of the new album in the can really making its presence felt tonight, yeah! But no, it was a short riffy section of something that I didn't recognise and it didn't last very long at all but it was there, before turning slightly lumpily into `Hurry on Sundown'. All well and good, little you can do wrong but I'm bored of it now, sorry. `Lighthouse', which I suppose we all knew we'd get, was good. Tim's voice seemed weirdly different; he was in tune for a start. I wondered if someone else were really singing, it didn't sound like him at all, but apparently not. Perfectly good anyway. Not as good however as `The Watcher' where Dave again put foot to the floor and let rip. I was forced to wonder if he'd fixed his old Coloursound pedal so 1973 was the space noise coming from him, I've never seen him play like this. Lemmy's snotty comments about the lead playing at Hawkestra would have had to be retracted and replaced with "He never fuckin' played like that when I was in the band!". Al? should be the obvious focus of this song of course, and he held it all through, but I was hearing Dave before everything. `Assassins' is never bad but it's predictable and we had to come down somehow. We did so in the techno mid-break which was that Brock- Blake-Chadwick idea that worked so well last year. Not so well this year, I think mostly Tim's fault. Last year he seemed to build the shapes that Dave lopped noises through while Richard found beats for it. This year, well, it was just unremarkable techno and mostly playd by Richard in so far as any of it was worth anything. The actual song was very good, of course, but too short to pick the excitement up as it had been, Got the younger section of the crowd going perhaps; there was one girl I guessed was being dragged by a boyfriend who played something with strings on who only seemed to wake up at this point, but not up to scratch compared to what I was hoping for based on last year. Ah well. I confess I don't really remember `You Shouldn't Do That'. I remember thinking it was much more like `Do That' off _The Business Trip_ than the genuine article and not being able to work out whether they were doing the vocals like that or not. I was also looking out for the `Seeing It As You Really Are' coda and in fact I'd never realised that that's what the version on the _Space Ritual_ remaster is doing, so when they just did that, I was hugely pleased and then wondered where `Seeing It' had gone for a few moments afterwards. Stupid boy . Anyway. THye really finished it off with a second take at `Earth Calling', another new riff married to it and more new words, not the _Spacebrock_ version as I'd been expecting, but still not a full song and still much too short. Also possibly less convincing than that version but showing a bit more room for development I thought. We shall see, or more likely not. But again I digress. That was closing number and I have to say that while I was still being critical, of course, I was having a great time. The encore `Somic Attack' left me a little underwhelmed; too drawn out, and they did insist on playing `Spacebrock' under it, which doesn't fit with any rhythm you can give the lyrics at all. If you must give it a tune give it the one from _Zones_ that you can chant to... So we got two songs at once which would both have been fine separately. But they followed it with `Silver Machine' and that was lots of fun. There was even a second encore, which given set-lists I hadn't expected. It was `Spirit of the Age', and seemed under-rehearsed. I get bored of this one too now, but if anyone has to sing it it's Dave. Trouble with that is that I hear the _Live '79_ version, which to my mind is the best without Calvert, and any deviation kind of spoils it for me. It was probably very good, but not that good. Not complaining really though. Overall, well, I've seen better gigs than this and they've all been recent. At Canterbury I was explaining to Jill how Carl Anderson was less bothered about seeing Hawkwind gigs now because he reckoned he'd seen a good few good Hawkwind gigs and given that one can't be sure one'll get one it wasn't really worth risking it. Jill said something like, "But you can never be sure you've seen the best one ever", and given that we were possibly at it, I agreed. But you know, now I think I probably have seen the best this version can do, either at Canterbury 2001 or at Walthamstow last year, or even the Astoria 2000 gig. They've missed the peak point of this arc when they should have recorded and though there were some flickers of creativity around that mean I can't do what I was imagining I could do after Wembley, and just talk about there being two ex-Hawkwinds on tour these days both covering the real band's material, I'm not as bothered about them as I feel I should be. It was a good gig. It seemed to be the best they can do. There was a *lot* of great guitar. But these people were better than this last year. Oh well. Yours, Jon ObTape: V/A - _If You Meet Sky Saxon On the Road, Kill Him!_--keep a thought spare for Larry Boyd people. -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From coral at APORT.RU Tue Jan 21 19:53:00 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:53:00 +0300 Subject: HW: All the Christmas Parties No. 2: HW at Walthamstow Message-ID: > problems. Bah. Anyway. First thing that must be said is Dave played > guitar. Lots of it. It sounded damn good. I was happy just with that. May > be just as well as Tim Blake wasn't all that. Everyone else was fine, What do you mean? Tim was supposed to play the solos instead of a lead guitar due to Huw absence. And I was told he played. Alisa From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jan 21 19:56:45 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:56:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <134.19dcd06e.2b5f0f79@aol.com> Message-ID: Is this on CD? I have looked for it. All I have found was a live one that had my favorite song - Cross Country on it. Would love to track down the studio version. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: guilty pleasures In a message dated 1/21/2003 2:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? > it is indeed... "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." -bobm From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 21 21:30:46 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:00:46 +1030 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: During that "glorius" era - I too was into the metal - more so for the music than the lifestyle. Iron Maiden - Scorpions - Black Sabbath etc etc (some I refuse to admit to as well hahaha) **I can just see Alisa shaking her head - as she reads this :)) ** But fortunatly I had the Doors and Hendrix and a fondness for some blues bands - oh the list is too long to mention.... and praise Hawkwind - the band I discovered in 88 or 89. Yea, and they feasted merrily on the fruits and the fruitbats and smoked the herbs for it was good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre in > general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda crap...... > > There were some eclectic so-called "New Wave" bands that were cool > though..... > XTC, The Stranglers, Boomtown Rats, Gary Numan... > > But the crap on the radio and MTV was awful and overall I am a firm believer > that the 1980's sucked! I graduated high school in 1983, so I think I know a > little about that time period. Just before graduation, we were jammin Iron > Maiden's Piece of Mind, not Tears For Queers or whatever (sorry Mike ").... > > And while, I think that European metal bands do have the edge on American > metal bands, lumping all American Metal bands into the Motley Crue, Ratt, > Kiss mold is underselling us Yanks by a longshot. > > To me, that's like saying punk was invented in England. > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 21:37:08 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:37:08 EST Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2003 9:31:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > more so for the music > than the lifestyle. > lifestyle? i'm interested... please describe? bobm From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 21 21:47:46 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:17:46 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: What? The lifestyle I lead - or how I would describe this "heavy metal lifestyle" that I didn't subscribe to? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > In a message dated 1/21/2003 9:31:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > > more so for the music > > than the lifestyle. > > > > lifestyle? > i'm interested... please describe? > bobm From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 21 20:59:10 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:59:10 +0800 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: > I have to say though.... > > I never liked the Buggles. I hated the Video Killed The Radio Star song and > I thought that the addition of Buggles to Yes was the beginning of the end > for them. Dram had some high points, but after that.... > > Of course, it's my understanding that Chris Squire wanted to take the band > off to the pop realm. So there ya go...... The little known 2nd Buggles album, Adventures in Modern Recording, was great, & was much more of a Prog rock album. It even had the original version of I Am A Camera (which reappeared on Drama), as well as a guest appearance by Chris Squire. William From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 21 22:10:50 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:10:50 EST Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you describe this? thanks bobm From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Jan 21 22:32:21 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:32:21 -0600 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > describe this? > thanks > bobm Wayne's World?? From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jan 21 22:55:29 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:55:29 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: <3E2D4D96.6A7A761F@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 1/21/03 8:39 AM, "John Swartz" wrote: > 1. Is "Medusa" substantially re-worked from the *Trepanation* version? I think so. It is almost identical to the version we played last summer. > 2. Is "Frankenstein" a re-working of the Imaginos song? Don't suppose > Mr. Cerisano is guesting on vocals? Frankenstein is the song from Imaginos "The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Vasseria". As are most of the tunes it's just the tBS trio. It is similar to the version we played last summer but we got to tweak the background vocals a little. > 3. Is "Pissin' Away The Summer" a Joe Bouchard tune from years gone > by? I have a recording of something labelled "Back Room Blues" (I think > that was the title) from the (I belive) early 80s with Joe singing and I > remember the last line of the chorus being "...just pissin' away the > summer, trying to forget you. It is indeed that same tune. Our version is very similar to the demo abet sounding more in the spirit of the song. Joe also has a version that is substantially updated (sounding great) and will appear on the new Joe Bouchard album. > 4. Are any of the other songs (besides the obvious acoustic numbers) > former songs demoed in one form or another during BOC album sessions? "Krakatoa" originally began life as a demo for BOC. "Naked" it the Moby Grape tune. "Whatever Works" is a song by my brother Jim and is on his Toots Rambles CD. The other 3 songs are brand new. We finished another 13 songs that we left off the record because I think (after Piece of Work) that a CD should not be much longer than 50 minutes. Maybe we'll have to put something else out in the fall. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jan 21 23:07:24 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:07:24 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow Albert -- some truly fun stuff in the beach party.. without having heard it, the disc feels like a good bookend for "To helen with Love" because it seems to be bringing together some well-known with less well-known histories, for, well..., a beach party; like a Brain Surgeon Summer bonfire. Very cool. For those of you in BRAIN: filter on-land, Medusa and Frankenstein were reallly, really cool during that summer tour. I never would have thought (SaIoBv)F(CaW) would be possible in a trio format, but then i heard it (twice). Jason From spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM Wed Jan 22 00:28:00 2003 From: spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM (Space Wreck) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:28:00 -0800 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yikes. I've got 'em all! Even the solos and (ulp) even the soundtrack to Ladyhawke. And I genuinely like Turn of a Friendly Card! Could be worse, I could have a Bananarama collection - oops, sorry, Andy! Other guilty pleasures: Renaissance Moody Blues (those 2 have appeared several times, does that mean I don't have to feel guilty anymore?) Tangerine Dream (60+ CDs, but little guilt, except for "Lily on the Beach" - yeccch) Asia (John Wetton era) Jonn Serrie Loreena McKennitt Kitaro (4-5 CDs) Rhapsody Trans-Siberian Orchestra And I'm far to embarrassed to admit that I have all of the Enya CDs. Well, not the boxed set - I had to draw the line somewhere! Shamefully, MWood NP: "Imaginations from the Other Side" - Blind Guardian (minor guilt) --- Mike Montfort wrote: > As do I Captain. Except for the Eve/Turn of a friendly card period it > is > all pretty damn good. > > Espeially the Instrumentals > > MM > > _____________________________________________ > > If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we > can > solve them. > > -- Isaac Asimov > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Captain Bl at ck > ::Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:10 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > :: > :: > ::I actually have all the Alan Parson's albums up to and including > Vulture > ::Culture (Kris, you're welcome to borrow it). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 00:28:38 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:58:38 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: LMfugginAO!!!!! Definatly never banged me head to Bohemian Rhapsody - thats fer sure hahahahaha --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert C. Mayo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > > > > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > > describe this? > > thanks > > bobm > > Wayne's World?? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 00:51:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:21:35 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: Only if you acknowledge that Mr Flibble IS the king of the potato people and put it in writing. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > describe this? > thanks > bobm > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 00:55:58 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:25:58 +1030 Subject: Re HW: Other Bands Message-ID: If they come to Australia I would attend a gig or two --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Garibaldi To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Re HW: Other Bands > Ah yes Budgie!!!!!! > First band I ever saw live - amazing trio - their first five albums are > essential seventies rock but "Never Turn Your Back " is perfection > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 22 01:08:44 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:08:44 EST Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: um..... i guess that's a NO? I mean, i can DO the Flibble thing, if I must.... who do i forward that to? really, i was just curious as to what your (and no doubt, others in their responses) ideas of what a 'metal lifestyle' might be. courting controversy :-) i remain bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 02:59:44 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:59:44 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > describe this? > thanks > bobm Bob, I think this was best summed on the sleeve notes of a Venom Album which says that coming from the industrial North East of England one could not really identify with soul / dance music, something had to be done about it! Heavy Metal is just that, industry, sweat, blood & toil. The same has been said many times. The Lyrics of Black Sabbath, Saxon, Judas Preist, Motorhead, Venom & others are mostly to do with: 1. Black Magic 2. Sex 3. Beer 4. Industry/Motorbikes/Cars/Trains Pretty Damn Good if you ask me! Cheers Ben From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 03:03:16 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:03:16 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I forgot to mention War! Woooaaarrrrggghhh...!!! On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > describe this? > thanks > bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 03:16:22 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:16:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <0b3901c2c1ad$b8d895a0$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: Can you name any decent US Metal bands? I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were a bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 12:32 am, you wrote: > While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre in > general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda crap...... > > There were some eclectic so-called "New Wave" bands that were cool > though..... > XTC, The Stranglers, Boomtown Rats, Gary Numan... > > But the crap on the radio and MTV was awful and overall I am a firm > believer that the 1980's sucked! I graduated high school in 1983, so I > think I know a little about that time period. Just before graduation, we > were jammin Iron Maiden's Piece of Mind, not Tears For Queers or whatever > (sorry Mike ").... > > And while, I think that European metal bands do have the edge on American > metal bands, lumping all American Metal bands into the Motley Crue, Ratt, > Kiss mold is underselling us Yanks by a longshot. > > To me, that's like saying punk was invented in England. > > By saying that - a person is overlooking Iggy and The Stooges, The MC5 and > the Ramones..... > who were "Kickin Out The Jams, Mother Fuckers!" long before the Sex Pistols > said "Never Mind The Bollocks"..... > > I love all 5 bands listed below. I even went to see Motley Crue in 1984 at > Veterans Memorial in Columbus, Ohio because SAXON was the opening band. The > show was scheduled to start at 8:00 PM. We got there at 7:20 PM to be sure > to see SAXON and they were 1/2 way through their set. I was pissed!! > > Peace, > > D > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:36 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > Yeah, top notch! we used to see them in the 80s and they were superb. used > to > blow everyone away. German bands really have it sussed. I used to like Kiss > & > Van Halen but after Donington 1987 where I met Lemmy on the way I had a > revelation that all music is bollocks apart from Hawkwind, we had a chat > and I said "are you going to Hawkwind tommorrow" he didnt answer but shook > my hand and walked off to his car. the next day I got back to London and > Acid Daze blew me away, Silver machine was incredible! I swapped all the > other records i had for hawkwind and motorhead and got my hair cut. > > I used to hate Motley Crue and Ratt but "Lay it Down" is an ok song, though > I > dont think they wrote it. Sorry, but I dont think any US Metal bands "have > it" especially Kiss which is commercial tripe. > > "Shake you heads and fill your heart with..... > > Accept > Scorpions > MSG > Saxon > Motorhead......" From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 03:26:53 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:26:53 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was such a laugh it really was! We used to go to Shades to meet all these unknown yank bands, and my mate who at the time was a fat skinhead with Motorhead T-Shirt used to abuse them so much and everyone just pissed themselves laughing. The bands used to come down St Annes Court on foot shouting woo hoo or whatever and he'd start yelling, "wankers, who are you?" and much much worse!!!! On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > describe this? > thanks > bobm From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 04:25:36 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:55:36 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: Sounds like my brother in his wilder days. Now hes a father of two daughters and settled.... settling down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > It was such a laugh it really was! We used to go to Shades to meet all these > unknown yank bands, and my mate who at the time was a fat skinhead with > Motorhead T-Shirt used to abuse them so much and everyone just pissed > themselves laughing. The bands used to come down St Annes Court on foot > shouting woo hoo or whatever and he'd start yelling, "wankers, who are you?" > and much much worse!!!! > > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the lifestyle. > > this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. could you > > describe this? > > thanks > > bobm > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 22 04:26:39 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:26:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: I have a vinyl copy, but haven't seen another around in years. Not sure if it was released on cd. Maybe on 8 track. :-) Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: OFF: guilty pleasures > Is this on CD? I have looked for it. All I have found was a live one that > had my favorite song - Cross Country on it. Would love to track down the > studio version. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:03 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: guilty pleasures > > > In a message dated 1/21/2003 2:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > > > > Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? > > > > it is indeed... > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." > > -bobm From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 22 04:33:13 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:33:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: Megadeth, Anthrax, Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Death Angel, Manowar, Corrosion of Conformity, Slayer, just to name a few. Later Suicidal Tendencies maybe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were a > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 12:32 am, you wrote: > > While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre in > > general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda crap...... > > > > There were some eclectic so-called "New Wave" bands that were cool > > though..... > > XTC, The Stranglers, Boomtown Rats, Gary Numan... > > > > But the crap on the radio and MTV was awful and overall I am a firm > > believer that the 1980's sucked! I graduated high school in 1983, so I > > think I know a little about that time period. Just before graduation, we > > were jammin Iron Maiden's Piece of Mind, not Tears For Queers or whatever > > (sorry Mike ").... > > > > And while, I think that European metal bands do have the edge on American > > metal bands, lumping all American Metal bands into the Motley Crue, Ratt, > > Kiss mold is underselling us Yanks by a longshot. > > > > To me, that's like saying punk was invented in England. > > > > By saying that - a person is overlooking Iggy and The Stooges, The MC5 and > > the Ramones..... > > who were "Kickin Out The Jams, Mother Fuckers!" long before the Sex Pistols > > said "Never Mind The Bollocks"..... > > > > I love all 5 bands listed below. I even went to see Motley Crue in 1984 at > > Veterans Memorial in Columbus, Ohio because SAXON was the opening band. The > > show was scheduled to start at 8:00 PM. We got there at 7:20 PM to be sure > > to see SAXON and they were 1/2 way through their set. I was pissed!! > > > > Peace, > > > > D > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:36 AM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > > > > Yeah, top notch! we used to see them in the 80s and they were superb. used > > to > > blow everyone away. German bands really have it sussed. I used to like Kiss > > & > > Van Halen but after Donington 1987 where I met Lemmy on the way I had a > > revelation that all music is bollocks apart from Hawkwind, we had a chat > > and I said "are you going to Hawkwind tommorrow" he didnt answer but shook > > my hand and walked off to his car. the next day I got back to London and > > Acid Daze blew me away, Silver machine was incredible! I swapped all the > > other records i had for hawkwind and motorhead and got my hair cut. > > > > I used to hate Motley Crue and Ratt but "Lay it Down" is an ok song, though > > I > > dont think they wrote it. Sorry, but I dont think any US Metal bands "have > > it" especially Kiss which is commercial tripe. > > > > "Shake you heads and fill your heart with..... > > > > Accept > > Scorpions > > MSG > > Saxon > > Motorhead......" From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 04:43:09 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:43:09 -0000 Subject: OFF: guilty pleasures Message-ID: For my sins I endured a James Last Concert back in 1978... he's german and at that time was doing big band covers of popliar tunes. The beatles section (at which point the central part of the stage became elevated with the Kings singers (or similar)) was about as bad as it gets, the word sterile springs to mind, yet he has a really devout following...I seem to recall the James Last tickets were about ?27 (in 1978 !!). It was about the same time as I first saw Hawkwind, fortunatley for me I didn't have to pay for either of them (selling programmes) but Hawkwind commanding the normal ?8.50 of the time. No prizes for guessing which concert I enjoyed the most... As for guilty pleasures... At age 11 I was listening to: The Rolling Stones, Staus Quo, Queen, (sisters albums) David Essex (my first album - All the Fun of the Fair!), Darts & Showaddywaddy In my late teens my turntable used to be graced incessantly with: Dead Kennedy's (esp Holiday in Cambodia) Killing Joke (esp Psyche) & The Clash (London Calling) The Undertones Stiff Little Fingers The Ruts, Bob Dylan Selector/Madness Lou Reed/Iggy Pop. Udo Lindenberg ("es ist in Moto Guzzi !!") Needless to say my mum went prematurely grey. :-( & simultaneously at the Heavy Rock Disco, headbanging away to : Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Whitesnake, Deep Purple Of late I am a little confused about what music to stick on the turntable - most of my 'collection' is not easy on the ears & approaching 40 I am hunting out some more chilled vibes, got a long shopping list which includes more Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles, Tim Blake, James, Moby...... and maybe even a bit of Judge Trev..... but then again I also quite like the hard hitting rap stuff/R & B .... UhOh.... I dunno anymore! Maxine From coral at APORT.RU Wed Jan 22 04:54:51 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:54:51 +0300 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? Iced Earth is the best one. Never liked and cared about Metallica, too dumb music. Alisa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 05:01:54 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:31:54 +1030 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: :))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > Iced Earth is the best one. > > Never liked and cared about Metallica, too dumb music. > > Alisa > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 06:18:06 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:18:06 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off In-Reply-To: <000f01c2c1f8$393770a0$fbcb223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: Wonderful Michael! I still see David every now and then, still listens to the 'ol HM. Didnt like Hawkwind tho' Loved Motorhead. Hopefully we'll have a re-union some day, only problem is that one of us is now a Bank Manager which would be fine but the c**t bounces my cheques, would you believe it? lol On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 9:25 am, you wrote: > Sounds like my brother in his wilder days. Now hes a father of two > daughters and settled.... settling down. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > > > It was such a laugh it really was! We used to go to Shades to meet all > > these > > > unknown yank bands, and my mate who at the time was a fat skinhead with > > Motorhead T-Shirt used to abuse them so much and everyone just pissed > > themselves laughing. The bands used to come down St Annes Court on foot > > shouting woo hoo or whatever and he'd start yelling, "wankers, who are > > you?" > > > > > and much much worse!!!! > > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > > > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the > > > lifestyle. this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. > > > could you describe this? > > > thanks > > > bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 06:25:41 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:25:41 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: [Message deleted by author] From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 06:36:02 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:06:02 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: LOL! I bet he has an (friendly) evil grin as he bounces em too :) Funny thing is I was listening to the metal bands when he was listeing to crap - I mean Rap - he's the younger brother - then he turned into a raving metal maniac But no one will deny I got him into Hawkwind.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > Wonderful Michael! I still see David every now and then, still listens to the > 'ol HM. Didnt like Hawkwind tho' Loved Motorhead. Hopefully we'll have a > re-union some day, only problem is that one of us is now a Bank Manager which > would be fine but the c**t bounces my cheques, would you believe it? > > lol > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 9:25 am, you wrote: > > Sounds like my brother in his wilder days. Now hes a father of two > > daughters and settled.... settling down. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Fagin" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:56 PM > > Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > > > > > It was such a laugh it really was! We used to go to Shades to meet all > > > > these > > > > > unknown yank bands, and my mate who at the time was a fat skinhead with > > > Motorhead T-Shirt used to abuse them so much and everyone just pissed > > > themselves laughing. The bands used to come down St Annes Court on foot > > > shouting woo hoo or whatever and he'd start yelling, "wankers, who are > > > you?" > > > > > > > > > and much much worse!!!! > > > > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 3:10 am, you wrote: > > > > you said you were into metal, but more for the music than the > > > > lifestyle. this implies that you beleive there to be a metal lifestyle. > > > > could you describe this? > > > > thanks > > > > bobm From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 06:42:35 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:42:35 -0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: Ha, this 'liestyle' debate raised it's head on friday night in a 'heavy rock' nightclub in Leicester. We were verbally attacked by a 'goth' - actually he denied being a goth but swore there is no colour other than black... and nearly died when I suggested a trim! - 'goth'? I was with a couple of mates , one of whom was sporting a nike sweatshirt, the other a columbian football shirt. Both short haired. The central core of the debate revolved around the fact that the above 'goth' really couldn't comprehend what on earth a guy with short cropped hair & a nike sweater was doing in this type of disco! (the guy in question has been a HW fan since he was 3!!) Guess that's 'lifestyle' - you gotta look the part to like the music (not my opinion, obviously!!) Maxine From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 06:51:53 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:21:53 +1030 Subject: OFF - W T F??? OFF Message-ID: Now thats simply SICK!! .................never mind the men in the white suits and the large butterfly nets - please, tell me more - GET 'IM LADS, NOWWWWWWWWW!!! :)) ---------------------------------------------------- the guilty one wrote: > And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering 53 > twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine > cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - blame > the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any > doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. > Tell me your sins my child!!! > Andy G (confessing his sins) ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 07:04:52 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:34:52 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: > Guess that's 'lifestyle' - you gotta look the part to like the music (not > my opinion, obviously!!) Thats perfectly what I meaning but not actually saying lol. I also think its quite bizzare that some people think you have to look a certain way to be into a certain style of music. I almost always wear all black - have done since I was 13 or 14 and have had long hair off n on over the years but I listen to a WIDE variety of musical styles. But I'm not a goth or a metal head or a deth thrash or whatever other new name its called since yesterday. and thats not because I think any of em are lame either - I'm just little ole me doing whatever I please.... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 06:37:18 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:37:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <0b3901c2c1ad$b8d895a0$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: On 21 Jan 2003 at 19:32, DRider wrote: > While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre > in general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda > crap...... > I listen to one of my wife's Thompson Twins albums every once in a while because Steve Stevens is on a couple of cuts. Steve can do no wrong on guitar... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 22 08:46:41 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:46:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD Message-ID: > > Disappointing choices from LDN. It sounds like the point was to include BOC's biggest past his (the "THEN") - hence the Big 3 plus Cities on Flame. > Yep, nothing on there to interest me. What a brilliant marketing decision! When's the last time a record company did something RIGHT by BOC anyway? > > I think they should release that cool promo "God Save the Blue Oyster Cult > From Themselves" with the demo's of Hot Rails to Hell and John L. Sullivan. > > Has anyone on the list actually seen, or owned, this disc? If so, how do > those two doodads sound? I've got this. The tracks are pretty good, although it's been awhile since I've listened to them. Will have to spin it again soon... John From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Jan 22 09:20:21 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:20:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD Message-ID: As someone who has a passing interest in BOC, but none of the last 3 (?) albums, would T&N be a good place to sample recent BOC ? Cheers Neil. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 08:15:19 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:15:19 EDT Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2003 at 14:20, Neil Shilladay wrote: > As someone who has a passing interest in BOC, but none of the last 3 > (?) albums, would T&N be a good place to sample recent BOC ? > The studio stuff is pretty good. The live stuff is the big 3 + CoF, so hardly essential, although the version of Reaper IS really good. If ya ask me, you'd be better off getting the DVD. It only has 2 recent songs, but it's full of great music, a lot of which was ommited from LDN... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 22 09:18:25 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:18:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil Shilladay wrote: > As someone who has a passing interest in BOC, but none of the last 3 (?) > albums, would T&N be a good place to sample recent BOC ? Yeah. Other than hearing the "Big 3" live *again*, the tracks on T&N are all definitely worth checking out. Then, if T&N floats your boat, consider picking up A Long Day's Night on CD or DVD. It's an excellent representation of where the band is today...and it rocks. ROCKS! There, I got that out of my system. :-) Brian obRiff> See You In Black From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 09:20:05 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:20:05 GMT Subject: HW: All the Christmas Parties No. 2: HW at Walthamstow In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > `Assassins' is never bad but it's predictable and we had to come > down somehow. We did so in the techno mid-break which was that Brock- > Blake-Chadwick idea that worked so well last year. Not so well this year, > I think mostly Tim's fault. Last year he seemed to build the shapes that > Dave lopped noises through while Richard found beats for it. This year, > well, it was just unremarkable techno and mostly playd by Richard in so > far as any of it was worth anything. The actual song was very good, of > course, but too short to pick the excitement up as it had been The night before, in Brighton, they extended this techno riff and it really came alive. If they produced an album of that quality then it'd be what Electric Teepee should have been. > I was also looking out for the `Seeing > It As You Really Are' coda and in fact I'd never realised that that's > what the version on the _Space Ritual_ remaster is doing, so when they > just did that, I was hugely pleased and then wondered where `Seeing It' > had gone for a few moments afterwards. Stupid boy . Anyway. THye really > finished it off with a second take at `Earth Calling', another new riff > married to it and more new words, not the _Spacebrock_ version as I'd been > expecting The music was still Seeing It As You Really Are, as on the 1st album and on Roadhawks. > but still not a full song and still much too short. Indeed and if an extended version appears on the new album I'll forgive them for again not including a fuller version of "Where Are They Now?" > The encore `Somic > Attack' left me a little underwhelmed; too drawn out, and they did insist > on playing `Spacebrock' under it, which doesn't fit with any rhythm you > can give the lyrics at all. Yeah, it bombed for me, but then the only time I've lked Sonic Attack when Nik wasn't doing it was the version from the Sonic Attack album. If they're going to marry poetry with instrumentals as "new tracks" then I'd voe for something with Wind of Change. > Overall, well, I've seen better gigs than this and they've all > been recent. At Canterbury I was explaining to Jill how Carl Anderson was > less bothered about seeing Hawkwind gigs now because he reckoned he'd seen > a good few good Hawkwind gigs and given that one can't be sure one'll get > one it wasn't really worth risking it. Jill said something like, "But you > can never be sure you've seen the best one ever", and given that we were > possibly at it. Well, I've been at a few Hawkwind gigs and I can honestly say that Brighton this year was one of the best I've seen. FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 22 09:23:37 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:23:37 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Beach Party In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030121230724.00697178@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > For those of you in BRAIN: filter on-land, > Medusa and Frankenstein were reallly, really cool during that > summer tour. I never would have thought (SaIoBv)F(CaW) would > be possible in a trio format, but then i heard it (twice). Yeah, it's amazing how much power can come from a guitar, bass and drums, especially when the kit is being played with marching band bass drum sticks.... Brian "A drug by the name of World without end." From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 22 10:13:36 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:13:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Contents of the Then & Now CD In-Reply-To: <3E2EA0C1.1F121D5D@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: >>> Disappointing choices from LDN. > > It sounds like the point was to include BOC's biggest past his (the > "THEN") - hence the Big 3 plus Cities on Flame. Better choices would have been Stairway, Last Days of May, Buck's Boogie and Reaper. Plenty of "then," and it's got their top hit. The LDN version of Cities is too slow and heavy-handed, and the remainder of the Big 3 just don't do it for me. All IMHO, but I bet I'm not the only one who would agree. Brian From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 22 10:26:33 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:26:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: The First 3 Metallica Lp's were fantastic. Kill'em all/Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. After that is all S***. I always say those are Dave Mustaines Metallica. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:54 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > Iced Earth is the best one. > > Never liked and cared about Metallica, too dumb music. > > Alisa From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Jan 22 10:27:04 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:27:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: Other U.S. Metal Bands .. Are Queensryche and Alice in Chains considered metal? and one cannot forget Blue Cheer, Bloodrock (DOA is a heavy song, maaaaaan)...... From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 22 10:30:16 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:30:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: Better than Culture Club. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:37 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > On 21 Jan 2003 at 19:32, DRider wrote: > > > While I agree that during the 1980's, Metal was the best music genre > > in general. I hated that Tompson Twins, big hair synth kinda > > crap...... > > > I listen to one of my wife's Thompson Twins albums every once in a while because > Steve Stevens is on a couple of cuts. Steve can do no wrong on guitar... > > theo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 22 11:42:42 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:42:42 EST Subject: OFF: "Pirates" clamp-down Message-ID: WASHINGTON (Jan. 22) - A federal judge's decision significantly raises the risks for computer users who illegally trade music or movies on the Internet, making it much simpler for the entertainment industry to tie a digital pirate's online activities to his real-world identity. U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ruled Tuesday that Verizon Communications Inc. must identify an Internet subscriber suspected of illegally offering more than 600 songs from top artists. He said Verizon argued a ''strained reading'' of U.S. law and that its courtroom argument ''makes little sense from a policy standpoint.'' The Recording Industry Association of America, the trade group for the largest music labels, had sought the user's identity with a subpoena approved under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The law doesn't require a judge's permission for such subpoenas, a central complaint in the dispute. The ruling means consumers using dozens of popular Internet file-sharing programs can more easily be identified and tracked by copyright owners. Even for consumers hiding behind hard-to-decipher aliases, that could result in warning letters, civil lawsuits or even criminal prosecution. Verizon promised to appeal and said it would not immediately disclose its customer's identity. The ruling had ''troubling ramifications'' for future growth of the Internet, said Verizon's associate general counsel, Sarah B. Deutsch. ''The case clearly allows anyone who claims to be a copyright holder to make an allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without protections afforded by the courts,'' she said. Deutsch said Verizon planned no immediate changes to disrupt sharing of computer files among its customers. Cary Sherman, president of the recording association, said piracy is a ''serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and providing them with legitimate alternatives.'' The judge acknowledged the case was an important test of new subpoena powers Congress granted copyright holders. He said the 1998 law permits music companies to force Internet providers to turn over the name of a suspected pirate upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk's office, without a judge's order. Critics of the procedure said judges ought to be more directly involved, given the potential privacy issues involved when a corporation is asked to reveal personal information about customers over an allegation of wrongdoing. ''This puts a huge burden on Internet service providers,'' said Harris Miller, head of the Washington-based Information Technology Association of America, a trade group. ''It turns them into judge, jury and executioner just because someone makes an allegation about a problem.'' The entertainment industry traditionally has fought illegal trading by suing companies that operated file-sharing networks. But technology has made it possible to decentralize these networks, allowing users to trade from computer to computer without a service like Napster's. In response, the industry has increasingly worked to trace users individually, either threatening them into shutting down their collections or persuading Internet providers to pull the plug. It also has resorted to seeding networks with fake files and clogging network connections to frustrate people looking for free music. The Computer and Communications Industry Association predicted the music industry ''will be cranking up its presses pretty quickly'' to send legal warnings to Internet users sharing songs and movies. ''This has the potential to really mushroom out of control, to be very burdensome,'' said Will Rodger, a spokesman for the computer group, whose membership includes one firm, Streamcast Networks Inc., that distributes file-sharing software. Napster, the Web site that led the way for computer users to swap recordings for free, has been down since July 2001, when a judge found that its operations violated copyright law and ordered it to remove copyright recordings. From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Jan 22 11:50:15 2003 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:50:15 -0500 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > really, i was just curious as to what your (and no doubt, others in their > responses) ideas of what a 'metal lifestyle' might be. When the Detroit band Feast or Famine came to Lansing to play the Ghetto Diaper, each band member was wearing black leather from head to foot, adorned with more studs than a monster truck's snow tires. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM Wed Jan 22 12:08:44 2003 From: jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:08:44 -0600 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <14a.1aac6372.2b5f5dd4@aol.com> Message-ID: Robert C. Mayo wrote: > lifestyle? > i'm interested... please describe? How about -- a lifestyle similar to that stereotypically enjoyed by the many of the musicians who play it. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 12:18:22 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:18:22 GMT Subject: OFF Old Bang-Bang is Back! Message-ID: It's a Nuclear Drive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2684329.stm FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 11:31:31 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:31:31 EDT Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <3E2ED01C.4020004@nuclearcluck.com> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2003 at 11:08, Jeff Thompson wrote: > Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > > lifestyle? > > i'm interested... please describe? > > How about -- a lifestyle similar to that stereotypically enjoyed by > the many of the musicians who play it. You mean the lifestyle portrayed by the media, not that actually pursued, right? theo From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 22 12:56:48 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Zombie Hunger) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other bands Message-ID: >> Can you name any decent US Metal bands? Hell yes. >Megadeth, Anthrax, Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Death Angel, Manowar, Corrosion >of Conformity, Slayer, just to name a few. Later Suicidal Tendencies maybe Also Trouble, Sleep, and especially Saint Vitus (great albums tho they sure sukked live at least half the times I saw them). Later on you get Soundgarden and then Kyuss and the start of stoner rock, tho maybe those aren't really the kind of metal you're talknig about. Also later and maybe more in the Guilty Pleasures list is Type O Negative. And speaking of Guilty Pleasures why is Renaissance popping up so often there? Unless you're talking post-76 and even then... Stephan From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 12:03:51 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:03:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Other bands In-Reply-To: <200301221756.MAA17927@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2003 at 12:56, Zombie Hunger wrote: > >> Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > Hell yes. > >Megadeth, Anthrax, Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Death Angel, Manowar, > >Corrosion of Conformity, Slayer, just to name a few. Later Suicidal > >Tendencies maybe > Also Trouble, Sleep, and especially Saint Vitus (great albums tho they > sure sukked live at least half the times I saw them). Later on you get > Soundgarden and then Kyuss and the start of stoner rock, tho maybe > those aren't really the kind of metal you're talknig about. Also later > and maybe more in the Guilty Pleasures list is Type O Negative. And > speaking of Guilty Pleasures why is Renaissance popping up so often > there? Unless you're talking post-76 and even then... > Does Monster Magnet count? They do for me... theo From jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM Wed Jan 22 13:58:32 2003 From: jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:58:32 -0600 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <14a.1aac6372.2b5f5dd4@aol.com> Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > On 22 Jan 2003 at 11:08, Jeff Thompson wrote: >>Robert C. Mayo wrote: >> >>> lifestyle? >>> i'm interested... please describe? >> >>How about -- a lifestyle similar to that stereotypically enjoyed by >>many of the musicians who play it. > > > You mean the lifestyle portrayed by the media, not that actually > pursued, right? That's why I threw in "stereotypically", but yes. Definitely not worded well. How about "A lifestyle that seeks to emulate the (albeit largely mythical) lifestyle of the musicians who play it." From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 22 14:34:25 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:34:25 EST Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2003 1:56:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM writes: > That's why I threw in "stereotypically", but yes. Definitely not > worded well. How about "A lifestyle that seeks to emulate > the (albeit largely mythical) lifestyle of the musicians who play it." which is....what? nobody's described this 'lifestyle' yet, after many many posts.... i now understand the original intent behind the phrase that started this thread, but i am genuinely curious, especially after so many posts have taken a cursory stab (intimating that many think they know what this means), but have really fallen short bobm From jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM Wed Jan 22 15:00:50 2003 From: jt at NUCLEARCLUCK.COM (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:50 -0600 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <65.7c88529.2b604c41@aol.com> Message-ID: Robert C. Mayo wrote: > which is....what? > > nobody's described this 'lifestyle' yet, after many many posts.... That's the point. As a mythical thing, it is subjective and dependent on the perspective of the person using the phrase. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 17:27:41 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:57:41 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > > which is....what? > > > > nobody's described this 'lifestyle' yet, after many many posts.... you haven't acknowledged Mr Flibbles rightful place on the throne yet. Now we require video evidence of the ceremony of which details will be sent via African swallow - unless there are some European swallows around. then two european swallows will deliver said message. ;-) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 22 17:29:48 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:29:48 EST Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2003 5:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > you haven't acknowledged Mr Flibbles rightful place on the throne yet. Now > we require video evidence of the ceremony of which details will be sent via > African swallow - unless there are some European swallows around. then two > european swallows will deliver said message. > ;-) > ok, ok, i give up... moving on bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 17:55:38 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:55:38 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <15.7ff6630.2b60755c@aol.com> Message-ID: I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the Summer European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to guess an answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have to wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. But in the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered into various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who wield Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa munny. Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in Satanic Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. Thats it! In a Nutshell. My Sixpence worth. On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 10:29 pm, you wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/2003 5:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > you haven't acknowledged Mr Flibbles rightful place on the throne yet. > > Now we require video evidence of the ceremony of which details will be > > sent via African swallow - unless there are some European swallows > > around. then two european swallows will deliver said message. > > ;-) > > ok, ok, i give up... > moving on > bobm From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Jan 22 18:19:02 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:19:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: YOU WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I stand defeated, knowing that I can but bask in the glory of a true master!!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blair" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:14 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > In article <02e601c2c01b$74a956a0$8c387ad5 at dial.pipex.com>, Andrew > Garibaldi writes > >And I'll trump your selection with a Bananarama collection numbering 53 > >twelve inch singles, 27 seven inch singles, thirteen cassettes, nine > >cassette singles, about 20 CD singles and about thirteen CD albums - blame > >the eighties and call the men in white coats - by the way - for any > >doubters - this is absolutely 100% serious - I own all of the above. > >Tell me your sins my child!!! > >Andy G (confessing his sins) > > You have 113 Bananarama recordings, and you think that's bad? It's > nothing, I can beat that easily. > > I've got a Barry Manilow album. > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alan Linsley" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:36 PM > >Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > > > > > >> Ha! I'll beat you all hands down on this one - > >> > >> Abba, Abba Gold rules > >> Consider the Gauntlet thrown... > > Eagle is one of my all-time favourite songs. > > My current favourites - > Concrete Blonde > Steve Hackett > Rush > Pekka Pohjohla > Beethoven > -- > David Blair From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 18:17:27 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:17:27 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <200301222255.39002.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Where will the ceremony take place? How will the Swallows get from Africa (where they are now) to the location of the ceremony? Dont get me wrong Mike, I have no need of video evidence, I know full well of the noble lord flibble's entitlement to the accession. Oh goody, now there's always a Silver Lining! Sorry I mean Silver Machine. > xtracted from Ore and refined and engineered > into various Machines On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 10:55 pm, you wrote: > I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the Summer > European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to guess an > answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have to > wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. But > in the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: > > Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered > into various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who > wield Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa > munny. > > Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in > Satanic Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. > > Thats it! > > In a Nutshell. > > My Sixpence worth. > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 10:29 pm, you wrote: > > In a message dated 1/22/2003 5:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > you haven't acknowledged Mr Flibbles rightful place on the throne yet. > > > Now we require video evidence of the ceremony of which details will be > > > sent via African swallow - unless there are some European swallows > > > around. then two european swallows will deliver said message. > > > ;-) > > > > ok, ok, i give up... > > moving on > > bobm From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 18:22:42 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:22:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: <009d01c2c26c$a7b1d060$e47e7ad5@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: [Message deleted by author] From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 18:25:36 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:55:36 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the Summer > European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to guess an > answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have to > wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. But in > the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: > > Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered into > various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who wield > Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa munny. > > Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in Satanic > Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. you forgot the illicit drugs - dont forget the illicit drugs From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Jan 22 18:25:53 2003 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:25:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <3E298C89.7030302@attbi.com> Message-ID: Catching up on old mail. Oher bands other than HW... To many to mention so here's what's sitting by the (and in one case on) the stereo in no particular order: N?UGHT - N?UGHT. Less - "...and I'll see you never work again" taunted Florence. Cardiacs - A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King. Omnia Opera - Omnia Opera Stratford Mercenaries - No Sighing Strains of Violins. Camp Blackfoot - Critical Seed vs. The Spartan Society. Ex-Girl - Back to the Mono Kero! Head Mix Collective - Birthrights. Farflung - The Belief Module The Spacious Mind - The Mind of a Brother The Sound - Jeoparday Rita Lynch - Far Away Zounds - The Curse of Zounds Richard. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 18:37:43 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:37:43 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <004e01c2c26d$93ae1b40$bcd0223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: But can they still be considered Illicit? Now that it's all gone official I have to watch my back a bit! RAF pilots have been taking amphetamine since WW1 so the only objection now must be from Bananarama and their ilk. With the imminent downfall of the lesbots one could ask, has the World gone mad or is it me? What about Nik Kershaw? He was quite a senior government official before he'd had enough and packed it all in. I think The Riddle was about stone circles, anyone know what was going on there? Pretty good song but tends to stick in your head like glue and repeat itself, not very healthy. On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 11:25 pm, you wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > > > I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the > > Summer European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to > > guess > > an > > > answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have > > to wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. > > But > > in > > > the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: > > > > Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered > > into > > > various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who > > wield > > > Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa > > munny. > > > Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in > > Satanic > > > Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. > > you forgot the illicit drugs - dont forget the illicit drugs From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 18:44:09 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:14:09 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: I shall endeavour to describe the ceremony as it stands. (Can't find a bloody swallow african or european - might be because Im in Australia and the only thing I can catch are wombats - dunno) anyway..... The initiate shall make a pilgrimage to the sacred lands of Tibet. On the third day after arrival the initiate shall don the traditional robes - which are - red plaid cotton dress and long blonde double pony tail wig that curls out from the side of the head. An authentic OOMPAH band costume would suffice at a pinch........ then the initiate shall - for exactly three hours - run around the streets screaming GO HOME FASCISTS - GO HOME COMMIE PIGS - WARBBLE WARBBLE PaTWaNNNNG - kachooie! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > Where will the ceremony take place? > > How will the Swallows get from Africa (where they are now) to the location of > the ceremony? > > Dont get me wrong Mike, I have no need of video evidence, I know full well of > the noble lord flibble's entitlement to the accession. > > Oh goody, now there's always a Silver Lining! > > Sorry I mean Silver Machine. > > > xtracted from Ore and refined and engineered > > into various Machines > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 10:55 pm, you wrote: > > I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the Summer > > European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to guess an > > answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have to > > wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. But > > in the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: > > > > Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered > > into various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who > > wield Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa > > munny. > > > > Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in > > Satanic Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. > > > > Thats it! > > > > In a Nutshell. > > > > My Sixpence worth. > > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 10:29 pm, you wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/22/2003 5:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > > you haven't acknowledged Mr Flibbles rightful place on the throne yet. > > > > Now we require video evidence of the ceremony of which details will be > > > > sent via African swallow - unless there are some European swallows > > > > around. then two european swallows will deliver said message. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ok, ok, i give up... > > > moving on > > > bobm From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 18:43:42 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:43:42 -0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: I remember a readers letters discussion in Sounds years ago where the thread was that Rainbow had lost it as a Metal band when they employed Graham Bonnet as vocalist. Several jerks wrote that Rainbow could no longer be described as Heavy Metal coz they had a short haired vocalist. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off > Ha, this 'liestyle' debate raised it's head on friday night in a 'heavy rock' > nightclub in Leicester. > > We were verbally attacked by a 'goth' - actually he denied being a goth > but swore there is no colour other than black... and nearly died when I > suggested a trim! - 'goth'? > > I was with a couple of mates , one of whom was sporting a nike > sweatshirt, the other a columbian football shirt. Both short haired. The > central core of the debate revolved around the fact that the above > 'goth' really couldn't comprehend what on earth a guy with short > cropped hair & a nike sweater was doing in this type of disco! (the guy > in question has been a HW fan since he was 3!!) > > Guess that's 'lifestyle' - you gotta look the part to like the music (not > my opinion, obviously!!) > > Maxine > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 18:44:44 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:44:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: Here's another sixpence worth. The whole concept of the master must dissolve in accordance with the masters will. (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 18:49:56 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:19:56 +1030 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Off Orrf Message-ID: Calling them illicit make it more fun. Buying illicit drugs from an illicit drug dealer is more fun than buying them from your Uncle Herb. Unless Uncle herb has a flash sports car and lets you borrow it. Or at least it used to be back in da olden days :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > But can they still be considered Illicit? Now that it's all gone official I > have to watch my back a bit! > > RAF pilots have been taking amphetamine since WW1 so the only objection now > must be from Bananarama and their ilk. With the imminent downfall of the > lesbots one could ask, has the World gone mad or is it me? > > > What about Nik Kershaw? He was quite a senior government official before he'd > had enough and packed it all in. I think The Riddle was about stone circles, > anyone know what was going on there? Pretty good song but tends to stick in > your head like glue and repeat itself, not very healthy. > > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 11:25 pm, you wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Fagin" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle > > > > > I thought they were the same, in the Winter they're African and the > > > Summer European? I think that this process is called Migration. Anyway to > > > guess > > > > an > > > > > answer to your most intelligent quest sir, I imagine that Bob will have > > > to wait until Summer when the Swallows return to us from sunnier climes. > > > But > > > > in > > > > > the meantime I'll hint at what a Metal lifestyle might be: > > > > > > Heavy Metal: A Substance extracted from Ore and refined and engineered > > > > into > > > > > various Machines which are capable of driving people into lunatics who > > > > wield > > > > > Axes on stage shouting Woooaaarrrgghhhh and generally get paid loadsa > > > > munny. > > > > > Lifestyle: Drinking Beer, Whoring, insulting journalists, Indulging in > > > > Satanic > > > > > Sex Magick. Driving various forms of Transport extremely fast. > > > > you forgot the illicit drugs - dont forget the illicit drugs > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 18:59:16 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:16 +1030 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - pulling a coin out of someones nose either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > Here's another sixpence worth. > > The whole concept of the master must dissolve > in accordance with the masters will. > > (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jan 22 19:04:41 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:04:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: Those are called BOOGERS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:14 AM > Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > > > Here's another sixpence worth. > > > > The whole concept of the master must dissolve > > in accordance with the masters will. > > > > (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 19:15:16 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:15:16 -0000 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: > Here's another sixpence worth. > > The whole concept of the master must dissolve > in accordance with the masters will. > > (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) > I give in. "Herring"? "Lobster"? "Hot Air Balloon"? "Rack of Ribs"? "Tarmac gang"? Could be anything! :-) R. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 19:12:35 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:42:35 +1030 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone OrFFul Message-ID: I am the master of my own boogers as well - get yer own ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > Those are called BOOGERS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > > > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Fagin" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:14 AM > > Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > > > > > > Here's another sixpence worth. > > > > > > The whole concept of the master must dissolve > > > in accordance with the masters will. > > > > > > (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 19:18:06 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:48:06 +1030 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > Here's another sixpence worth. > > > > The whole concept of the master must dissolve > > in accordance with the masters will. > > > > (The Eagle Laughed and Snatched the..............) (snatched the....) toopay off the judges head as he walked to work? From novadrive at COX.NET Wed Jan 22 20:30:30 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:30:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Help with a concept Message-ID: A bit of help requested from those on the east side of the pond: When referring to a "local," is it: - The bar/pub/whatever closest to home - the one most frequented - the one one is most comfortable in - something else completely different? KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 22 20:33:08 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:33:08 -0600 Subject: HW: backup irc channel Message-ID: Hi folks, As some of you may know, irc.dal.net has been extremely sporadic over the last few months due to excessive DDoS attacks. While dal.net is having troubles, I've created a backup irc channel on a different irc network, newnet.net, with Rik's permission. You should be able to use any irc client that you prefer in order to connect. If you do not have an irc client, try downloading Rik's custom mirc client for windows at http://www.hawkwind.org.uk/irc/HW-IRC.zip, or try http://ww.mirc.com/. Macintosh users can use http://www.ircle.com/. Unix users can use a handful of clients. I rather like ircII myself ;-) There is also a Java client present on the http://www.newnet.net/ home page. (I also have a Mozilla javascript file that will allow you to connect to newnet. If you are interested in that, please email me.) To connect: from your irc client type: /server irc.newnet.net /join #hawkwind.org.uk and you should be in channel. We've tended to be most active between 10pm-midnight UK time (4pm-6pm chicago time ;-) ), with weekends seeing folks dropping on channel after 7pm uk time (but feel free to stop by and lurk until people show up ;-) ). newnet.net supports many of the same features as dal.net (nickname registry, channel services, memo-writing, etc.) If, for some reason, you are having problems connecting with irc.newnet.net, try the individual servers comprising newnet, ie: irc.eskimo.com US irc.aohell.org US irc.josephbarnhart.net US irc2.fdt.net US irc.eviltwins.org US irc.dividedspace.com US irc.moo.me.uk UK irc.flamez.net US irc.firex.org US irc.linux-friendly-56k.com US irc.sweatnet.net US Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jan 23 01:18:45 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:18:45 -0500 Subject: HW: All the Christmas Parties No. 2: HW at Walthamstow In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:29:42AM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:29:42AM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > [Litmus], well, they're really quite good aren't they. To me they seemed, um, mostly very loud -- and that was with my 25-dB plugs in. > [...] it's like there was a bunch of > punks who got so bored with both punk and all this modern heavy metal > everyone wanted them to play that they stopped for a bit, Ah, well that's it then. I never was much into either, having come to HW via prog and Kraftwerk, and via synthy classical renditions by Walter/Wendy Carlos and imitators thereof. > [HW's] sound was OK for once, > but there was one spot stage right that shone right in my eyes for most of > the set and did cause me some synesthesic can't-hear-properly > problems. Bah. Ummmm ... I think that actually was my fault :-( If I recall, it was originally aimed above peoples' heads, to shine oil projections on the back wall and ceiling. But for Lighthouse I wobbled a prism around in front of the lens to make bits of oil projection dance all around the room. Very cool effect ... but to see what I was doing I had to turn away from the projector, and so to keep the prism aligned properly I leaned a finger *very lightly* on top of the lens just for the tactile feedback ... but the projector was so heavy that my little finger was enough to make it kind of sag down in its mounting, so that it shone right in peoples' eyes once I took the prism away. I tried to re-aim the thing afterward, but it was too heavy for me to do that during the set without potentially making the situation even worse, so I had to leave it. Sorry, Jon and everyone else up there! (In case you're curious about the device that caused your pain, you can see a blurb for it here -- http://www.optikinetics.com/project2A.html -- it's the K4.) > Anyway. First thing that must be said is Dave played > guitar. Lots of it. It sounded damn good. I was happy just with that. :-) > Arthur Brown was very himself, but the band don't really know what to do > witgh him any more than they do with Blake sometimes. The songs don't > *need* a man with a three-octave range singing them, they were never > designed for that sort of voice and he doesn't have anything much he can > do with them. Musically perhaps, though I thought he found his way into the material as the tour progressed. But for stage presence, sheer front-man-ness, I like him. I agree about his talent; he can do that Ian-Gillan wail far better than Gillan himself can these days. Damn I'd love to hear him sing Highway Star! > I think having neither Simon nor Huw to do > lead brings him out of his shell, or stops him being able to retreat into > it. If I didn't love them so much I'd wish they never come back. Well said. There were persistent rumours that Simon would put in an appearance, so I was eagerly awaiting Spiral Galaxy, but it was not to be. > Arthur Brown returned for `Time Captives', which wa sprobably > quite good from the floor where Brown standing on an amp to give a > something like nine-foot height to solemly declaim from would have made > the whole thing very haunting. That climbing-on-the-equipment thing started part way through the tour. Northampton, wasn't it? Can anyone else recall? The first time, it looked like impromptu silliness, complete with grabbing onto one of the venue's disco-lights for balance. I guess they all decided it worked, though, because it became part of the act after that. > From above it all though I was rather bored > with it. The lyrics were lame; I was expecting better by Arthur Brown, and > it has no progression either lyrically or musically. Agreed. The song left me rather cold. > Then, `Master of the Universe', and well, I've seen better. Arthur > Brown did seem to be, if not remembering the words, at least singing words > of his own he was prepared to remember, Yeah, there was a fair amount of that throughout the tour. He never made it off-book for Sonic Attack. But there was the one night he flubbed a line of Aerospaceage Inferno -- made the natural mistake of singing "set the controls for the heart of the sun" -- and then on the spot improvised two more lines to rhyme with it! I remain in absolute awe of that. > `Hurry > on Sundown'. All well and good, little you can do wrong but I'm bored of > it now, sorry. I'm not; I'm still thrilled to be hearing it live. What more can I say? > Not as good however as > `The Watcher' where Dave again put foot to the floor and let rip. Oh yeah! > `Assassins' is never bad but it's predictable and we had to come > down somehow. We did so in the techno mid-break On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 02:20:05PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > The night before, in Brighton, they extended this techno riff and it > really came alive. If they produced an album of that quality then it'd > be what Electric Teepee should have been. That break actually had two parts. First the "Space is Their (Palestine)" part (though this year that riff just wafted through like the merest hint of nargileh smoke on the breeze), and then ... something else. It started off as a short bridge between the SiT(P) break and the end of Assassins proper, but as the tour progressed, that something-else got longer and hotter, until by Brighton and W'stow they were just cooking!, and that segment had become pretty much my favourite part of the set. So, I'm sure I'll be really embarrassed when someone tells me, but I gotta ask anyway ... What the $!,)~ *was* it? Jon again: > I confess I don't really remember `You Shouldn't Do That'. It rocked. Hard. > The encore `Somic > Attack' left me a little underwhelmed; too drawn out, and they did insist > on playing `Spacebrock' under it, which doesn't fit with any rhythm you > can give the lyrics at all. Agreed. On the other hand, it was cool hearing it live. On the other hand, for me The One True Version is the one on Space Ritual; all others are pale imitations (Zones included, sorry). On the other hand, in Liverpool I had a moment of sheer strobe-light bliss during Sonic Attack -- one of those silly spur-of-the-moment ideas that worked out about three times as well as I'd imagined -- so I can't really complain. > So we got two songs at once which > would both have been fine separately. Well, once Spacebrock got going I think I pretty much ignored the rest of the Sonic Attack part :-) > But they followed it with `Silver > Machine' and that was lots of fun. Now here's one I can take or leave. All week it just felt wrong that it *didn't* explode a few bars in :-) ... There's supposed to be a conclusion here. Can't think of one. Oh well. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 01:56:11 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:26:11 +1030 Subject: HW: backup irc channel Message-ID: the link to the hwzip thing is bunged it seems ... und ze uther link iss mizzing a w - but das iz eazily fixed. Error 404: page not found The page you requested was not found on this web server. This could be for a variety of reasons, including: a.. You followed a broken or out-of-date link. b.. You entered the URL for the page incorrectly. c.. The page no longer exists. If you followed a broken link, please inform the owner of the referring page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: HW: backup irc channel > Hi folks, > > As some of you may know, irc.dal.net has been extremely sporadic over the > last few months due to excessive DDoS attacks. > > While dal.net is having troubles, I've created a backup irc channel on a > different irc network, newnet.net, with Rik's permission. > > You should be able to use any irc client that you prefer in order to > connect. If you do not have an irc client, try downloading Rik's custom > mirc client for windows at http://www.hawkwind.org.uk/irc/HW-IRC.zip, or > try http://ww.mirc.com/. > > Macintosh users can use http://www.ircle.com/. > > Unix users can use a handful of clients. I rather like ircII myself ;-) > > There is also a Java client present on the http://www.newnet.net/ home > page. > > (I also have a Mozilla javascript file that will allow you to connect to > newnet. If you are interested in that, please email me.) > > To connect: > > from your irc client type: > > /server irc.newnet.net > /join #hawkwind.org.uk > > and you should be in channel. We've tended to be most active between > 10pm-midnight UK time (4pm-6pm chicago time ;-) ), with weekends seeing > folks dropping on channel after 7pm uk time (but feel free to stop by > and lurk until people show up ;-) ). > > newnet.net supports many of the same features as dal.net (nickname > registry, channel services, memo-writing, etc.) > > If, for some reason, you are having problems connecting with > irc.newnet.net, try the individual servers comprising newnet, ie: > > irc.eskimo.com US > irc.aohell.org US > irc.josephbarnhart.net US > irc2.fdt.net US > irc.eviltwins.org US > irc.dividedspace.com US > irc.moo.me.uk UK > irc.flamez.net US > irc.firex.org US > irc.linux-friendly-56k.com US > irc.sweatnet.net US > > Thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 01:58:51 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:58:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: Help with a concept Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" > A bit of help requested from those on the east side of the pond: When > referring to a "local," is it: > - The bar/pub/whatever closest to home Usually > - the one most frequented Could also be this as well > - the one one is most comfortable in Or this > - something else completely different? No, its one of the others depending on how your feeling at the time. But usually the first. Ian From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 02:11:12 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:41:12 +1030 Subject: The Electric Tepee - LIVES!! Message-ID: http://alien-dream.com/electric_tepee/enter.html after nearly 6 months of hybernation the ELECTRIC TEPEE is back online. All shiny and better. There is still alot of stuff yet to be added - but I'm getting there. My clones scarpered so I'm doing it alone. Enjoy..... ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 02:44:14 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:44:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Help with a concept Message-ID: Agreed. a, b or c. (c only if it's reasonably close to home - ie, staggering difference.) Cheers, Rich. > > > A bit of help requested from those on the east side of the pond: When > > referring to a "local," is it: > > - The bar/pub/whatever closest to home > Usually > > - the one most frequented > Could also be this as well > > - the one one is most comfortable in > Or this > > - something else completely different? > No, its one of the others depending on how your feeling at the time. But > usually the first. > > Ian > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 03:10:06 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:10:06 -0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle Message-ID: > What about Nik Kershaw? He was quite a senior government official before he'd > had enough and packed it all in. I think The Riddle was about stone circles, > anyone know what was going on there? Pretty good song but tends to stick in > your head like glue and repeat itself, not very healthy. > > Yup - Nik Kershaw was on TV a while ago confessing that The Riddle wasn't about anything, just a bunch of words that rhymed and had a few good images. The whole "what is The Riddle?" thing was a PR stunt. Cheers, Rich. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 23 03:39:15 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:39:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works from the Black Widow folx in Italy. This is the followup to the Horror Film tribute compilation they did several years ago (which I've never heard...what/who is on that one anyway?), and it's of course the "Sci-fi Movies Tribute" package, although there's some tributing done to TV here and there also (Dr. Who, Star Drek, and esp. the Prisoner). In fact, there's a lot of stuff related to the Prisoner here. The package includes three CDs (nicely decorated - Disc 1 art is from Astounding (so it looks like ASAM, duh), Disc 2 is Robby the Robot, and Disc 3 is McGoohan (No. 6). Each is about 70 minutes long, so the whole package is about 3 1/2 hours. There is one track per band, a who's who list of worldly space and prog rock acts, maybe 40 tracks in all? Each one is attributed to a particular work of Sci-Fi TV/Movie-making, all the important stuff with only a few notable absences. However, some of the tracks are only tangentially related to the work listed (from my limited perspective), whereas some artists actually wrote new music/lyrics especially intended to 'tributize' the work they were challenged to do. Adrian Shaw for instance, wrote a nice song about the Bruce Dern movie "Silent Running." Hawkwind's contribution is a new (or I should say 'yet again different') version of Sonic Attack, entitled "This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack" the lyrics of which seem unchanged. The lineup is given as Brock/Davey/Tree/Chadwick, so this is from a few years ago (and would seemingly match up with when this project was started). The vocals are a dead ringer for Calvert, but I guess it's really Ron doing an amazing likeness, or else Dave uncovered an old track of Calvert's from the distant past. I dunno...I've only given the thing a quick cursory listen. The music seemed totally different than any other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. Not sure what Alan was doing...wave sequencer stuff perhaps, whatever that is. It's 7 minutes long, and I think it's just fine though not superior to actually hearing something that's not already 30 years old in part. Interestingly, it's associated with "When Worlds Collide" but I really don't know how - they have a writeup about said SF story, but nothing about how it connects to Moorcock's words. Or if it even does. The writing credits go to Moorcock, Calvert, Brock, Chadwick...not sure when/why Calvert was ever awarded writing credit here, but you know how these things have continually evolved over the years! The other Hawkwind-related tracks are: the Adrian Shaw solo piece (nice gtr playing, the only downside being synth-drums), Alan's solo piece (for Forbidden Planet)...synthy stuff (not heavy), Dark Sun with NikT doing "Abduction Files" (live, a track from their studio disc IIRC; nice version, and Nik even seemed to have rehearsed a minute or two), Pete Pavli doing something for "Day of the Triffids" (synthy stuff with violin playing to boot). Well, and then there are tracks by F&R, like the Quimby's doing "Quatermass & the Pit," Dr. Hasbeen doing "Apollo 13," and both PXR1 (who you'll remember from the Hawk & Elf CD) doing "Day the Earth Stood Still" and Krel (solo Martin M.) doing "2001." The Prisoner theme is redone by Gary Ramon/SunDial (and there's a hidden bonus track on Disc 3 that seems like him/them again doing it again slightly differently?), and Dr. Who theme is redone by a Finnish band called "Reverend Bizarre." The Star Trek piece (by Italy's Deviate Damaen) is the only thing I heard on here that is awful! Watered-down techno/sampling piece that seemingly took about a half-hour to churn out. Other luminaries such as ArcMet, Quarkspace, ST 37, Moon Fog Prophet, Standarte, Fantasyy Factoryy, Mooseheart Faith (nice), Paul Chain (synthy with some gtr...different/weird), Eternal Elysium (good Japanese stoner band...nice job! "Godzilla" of course, but *not* the same as the BOC track of course), Nekropolis (aka Peter Frohmander), and Braindance (remember them from the NYC 1995 HW gig?) all contribute works too. Braindance actually represented here by just the synth player (I guess maybe it's Vora Vor?), and actually is pretty decent. There a bunch more Italian bands here (not surprisingly), some of whom I've never heard of before. Helden Rule's track is really nice...ambient-like and well done. The Farflung/Pressurehed wing is (oddly) not represented here anywhere, but a trio based in Kassel, Germany called "Fulvio Tori's Madre del Vizio" (one Italian guy and two Germans I guess) offer a track that sounds very much like P-hed's trademark 'gtr-techno' sound, so that style is covered. Disc Two is the one that is really avant-garde...some Italian prog-rockers here, like Universal Totem Orchestra and Presence (both w/ bad singing IMHO). Sethian, from Finland, is another cool stoner-like band that I've never heard of previously...familiar to anyone here? The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. There's a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had there been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the center spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art reproductions and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and English. It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the other text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant (what else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the writings themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could get most of it edited properly, but hey... My initial impression is that it's uniformly 'good' and really everyone should have one, but I only heard a few things that made me suddenly get excited. In any case, I suspect it's a lot better than if Cleopatra had run the thing, although that would have had six or seven tracks by the Farflung/P-hed contingent. :) And Alien Planetscapes too, another obvious omission here. I would have preferred to have the booklets be loose and more easily perusable without having to deal with the whole package at once, but anyway... Be seeing you...Grakkl (FAA) From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Jan 23 04:03:37 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:03:37 -0500 Subject: THE HAWKWIND MUSEUM - NOW OPEN Message-ID: THE CO - CURATORS, SIMON AND DAVE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL BOC-L MEMBERS, FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO THEIR NEW WEBSITE AT - www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk , ALTHOUGH WE DID ANNOUNCE IT TO THE GROUP VIA ANOTHER POSTING LAST WEEK, WE ARE NOW PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE BUILDERS HAVE MOVED OUT AND EXHIBITS ARE STARTING TO MOVE IN. SO WHY NOT DROP BY AND SEE WHAT IS ON OFFER, WHILE YOU'RE THERE SIGN THE GUESTBOOK AND FILL OUT YOUR VISITOR PROFILE. MOST OF ALL LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT AND FAR FROM FINISHED. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN NOTICE OF COMMENTS MADE BY SOME OF OUR EARLY CUSTOMERS AND MADE APPROPRIATE CHANGES. SO COME ON AND TREAT YOURSELF VISIT - www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk , "A GREAT DAY OUT FOR ALL THE FAMILY". THANKS FOR YOUR TIME - SIMON AND DAVE P.S - IF YOUR COMING BY ROAD THE DIRECTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS WHEN YOU GET TO SPIRAL GALAXY 28948, TAKE THE FIRST EXIT ON YOUR LEFT, YOU SHOULD SEE THE CHRONOGLIDE SKYWAY STRAIGHT AHEAD OF YOU, FOLLOW THIS FOR A FEW MILLION MILES TILL YOU SEE SIGNS FOR MOTORWAY CITY AND THEN EXIT ON THE RIGHT! THE MUSEUM IS SITUATED ABOUT 100 METERS UP HERE ON THE LEFT BETWEEN THE MCDONALDS AND STARBUCKS From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 04:35:36 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:35:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Help with a concept In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 1:30 am, you wrote: > A bit of help requested from those on the east side of the pond: When > referring to a "local," is it: > - The bar/pub/whatever closest to home > - the one most frequented > - the one one is most comfortable in > - something else completely different? > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" Answer: All of the above! From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 04:36:54 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:36:54 +0000 Subject: HW: backup irc channel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Top Notch Arin! On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 1:33 am, you wrote: > Hi folks, > > As some of you may know, irc.dal.net has been extremely sporadic over the > last few months due to excessive DDoS attacks. > > While dal.net is having troubles, I've created a backup irc channel on a > different irc network, newnet.net, with Rik's permission. > > You should be able to use any irc client that you prefer in order to > connect. If you do not have an irc client, try downloading Rik's custom > mirc client for windows at http://www.hawkwind.org.uk/irc/HW-IRC.zip, or > try http://ww.mirc.com/. > > Macintosh users can use http://www.ircle.com/. > > Unix users can use a handful of clients. I rather like ircII myself ;-) > > There is also a Java client present on the http://www.newnet.net/ home > page. > > (I also have a Mozilla javascript file that will allow you to connect to > newnet. If you are interested in that, please email me.) > > To connect: > > from your irc client type: > > /server irc.newnet.net > /join #hawkwind.org.uk > > and you should be in channel. We've tended to be most active between > 10pm-midnight UK time (4pm-6pm chicago time ;-) ), with weekends seeing > folks dropping on channel after 7pm uk time (but feel free to stop by > and lurk until people show up ;-) ). > > newnet.net supports many of the same features as dal.net (nickname > registry, channel services, memo-writing, etc.) > > If, for some reason, you are having problems connecting with > irc.newnet.net, try the individual servers comprising newnet, ie: > > irc.eskimo.com US > irc.aohell.org US > irc.josephbarnhart.net US > irc2.fdt.net US > irc.eviltwins.org US > irc.dividedspace.com US > irc.moo.me.uk UK > irc.flamez.net US > irc.firex.org US > irc.linux-friendly-56k.com US > irc.sweatnet.net US > > Thanks! > > Arin From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 04:46:51 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:46:51 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <023301c2c2b6$d7558e20$105127d9@bernard> Message-ID: I'm not sure sure I believe that! "Near a tree by a river there's a hole in the ground where an old man of aran goes around and round" Maybe Nik (or xNik) didnt realise the deep meaning!! or maybe it was one of dem subconscious tings, who cares eh? :) On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 8:10 am, you wrote: > > What about Nik Kershaw? He was quite a senior government official before > > he'd > > > had enough and packed it all in. I think The Riddle was about stone > > circles, > > > anyone know what was going on there? Pretty good song but tends to stick > > in > > > your head like glue and repeat itself, not very healthy. > > Yup - Nik Kershaw was on TV a while ago confessing that The Riddle wasn't > about anything, just a bunch of words that rhymed and had a few good > images. The whole "what is The Riddle?" thing was a PR stunt. > > Cheers, > > Rich. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 04:55:57 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:55:57 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle In-Reply-To: <023301c2c2b6$d7558e20$105127d9@bernard> Message-ID: I thought it had a very Celtic & Irish feel to it. Especially the Tin Whistle bit. On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 8:10 am, you wrote: > > What about Nik Kershaw? He was quite a senior government official before > > he'd > > > had enough and packed it all in. I think The Riddle was about stone > > circles, > > > anyone know what was going on there? Pretty good song but tends to stick > > in > > > your head like glue and repeat itself, not very healthy. > > Yup - Nik Kershaw was on TV a while ago confessing that The Riddle wasn't > about anything, just a bunch of words that rhymed and had a few good > images. The whole "what is The Riddle?" thing was a PR stunt. > > Cheers, > > Rich. From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jan 23 05:06:58 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:06:58 +0200 Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! At 09:39 23.1.2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Folks... >I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works from >the Black Widow folx in Italy. This is the followup to the Horror Film >tribute compilation they did several years ago (which I've never >heard...what/who is on that one anyway?), Bands are: DeathSS, Tenebre, Northwinds, Malobra, Al Feste, Wounded Knee, Presence, Iconae, Akron, Standarte, Sun Dial, A Piedi Nudi, God.Zilla, Humus, Ars Nova, Lingam, Helden Rune, Claudio Simonetti, Morte Macabre, The Black, Il Segno Del Comando, Bevis Frond ( Song isDeath of Night), Somnambulist, Abiogenesi, Una Stagione All inferno, Nekropolis, Mottorismus > Sethian, from Finland, >is another cool stoner-like band that I've never heard of >previously...familiar to anyone here? ? Never heard. I look if I can get more info. >The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. There's >a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's >sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had there >been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the center >spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art reproductions >and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and English. >It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the other >text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant (what >else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the writings >themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could get >most of it edited properly, but hey... > >My initial impression is that it's uniformly 'good' and really everyone >should have one, but I only heard a few things that made me suddenly get >excited. In any case, I suspect it's a lot better than if Cleopatra had run >the thing, although that would have had six or seven tracks by the >Farflung/P-hed contingent. :) And Alien Planetscapes too, another obvious >omission here. I would have preferred to have the booklets be loose and >more easily perusable without having to deal with the whole package at once, >but anyway... >Be seeing you...Grakkl (FAA) I have vinyl version, which is beautiful too. Book is vinyl size, so it?s must be bigger than cd version?! From admin at SHROPS.NET Thu Jan 23 05:42:42 2003 From: admin at SHROPS.NET (OS-NET) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:42:42 -0000 Subject: Help Wanted Message-ID: Hi.. I don't know if anyone can help, I am looking for the CD (Album not single) Love in Space and cannot locate it anywhere. If anyone has this CD and wishes to trade as I have many Hawkwind Albums both LP and CD duplicated etc or will pay well for it. My Email address is pete at os-net.co.uk Pete Williamson Budgie Promotions www.budgie.uk.com From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 07:04:04 2003 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:04:04 -0500 Subject: Harvey Bainbridge - it wasn't me!! Message-ID: Ah, those were the days.. I remember my first HW gig at Preston in 1981 and would like recount a little tale from it. It was a very sparse HW line up as I recall (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton/Griffiths)and a very techno sound to boot! Well this was 1981, remember and they certainly used a lot of synthy sequencers etc. Think of the Sonic Attack/Church of albums. Anyway, back to the story-after jostling my way to the front, I took up prime positon at Harvey's feet, an ideal postition for the view and the LOUD loudspeakers. From the start, someone behind me was throwing bits of ripped up fag packet at por old Harv (don't ask me why, I think it was a post punk thing). I could see he was not amused by this and his face became more like thunder as the song went on (I think it was Psi Power). Eventually he cracked as the pieces of paper continued to come and he bent down to me, looked me right in the eyes and shouted 'F*** OFF'. and nonchalntly continued playing whilst giving me the occasional evil eye. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, after all Harvey had spoken to me and in mine and my mates eyes (we were school boys back then)me and old Harv were almost best mates! Of course I was the toast of the school playground for months afterwards and obviously the story was blown out of all proportion in that we talked for ages etc etc! So, just to put the record straight - Harvey, it wasn't me! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 07:10:57 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:10:57 GMT Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone In-Reply-To: Cpt Blue Skin's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:16 +1030 Message-ID: Cpt Blue Skin writes: > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. I stole someone's nose once. FoFP From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 23 07:11:16 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:11:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Trivia - Grand Theft Auto Message-ID: A friend of mine pointed out to me that during the startup sequence of 'Grand Theft Auto - Vice City' on the PS2, while the game is loading, there is an image of a biker standing in front of a poster/ banner with a picture of a hawk like bird and some text underneath. Half of the text is obscured by the biker but the visible part of it says '...WIND'. An intentionally obfuscated reference to Hawkwind by the artist perhaps? Alastair. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 07:19:17 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:49:17 +1030 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone OrFF Message-ID: and I want it back... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > Cpt Blue Skin writes: > > > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. > > I stole someone's nose once. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 07:24:26 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:54:26 +1030 Subject: THE HAWKWIND MUSEUM - NOW OPEN Message-ID: Good stuff chaps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: THE HAWKWIND MUSEUM - NOW OPEN > THE CO - CURATORS, SIMON AND DAVE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL BOC-L MEMBERS, > FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO THEIR NEW WEBSITE AT - www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk , > ALTHOUGH WE DID ANNOUNCE IT TO THE GROUP VIA ANOTHER POSTING LAST WEEK, WE > ARE NOW PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE BUILDERS HAVE MOVED OUT AND EXHIBITS ARE > STARTING TO MOVE IN. SO WHY NOT DROP BY AND SEE WHAT IS ON OFFER, WHILE > YOU'RE THERE SIGN THE GUESTBOOK AND FILL OUT YOUR VISITOR PROFILE. MOST OF > ALL LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT AND FAR FROM > FINISHED. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN NOTICE OF COMMENTS MADE BY SOME OF OUR > EARLY CUSTOMERS AND MADE APPROPRIATE CHANGES. SO COME ON AND TREAT > YOURSELF VISIT - www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk , "A GREAT DAY OUT FOR ALL THE > FAMILY". THANKS FOR YOUR TIME - SIMON AND DAVE > P.S - IF YOUR COMING BY ROAD THE DIRECTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS > WHEN YOU GET TO SPIRAL GALAXY 28948, TAKE THE FIRST EXIT ON YOUR LEFT, YOU > SHOULD SEE THE CHRONOGLIDE SKYWAY STRAIGHT AHEAD OF YOU, FOLLOW THIS FOR A > FEW MILLION MILES TILL YOU SEE SIGNS FOR MOTORWAY CITY AND THEN EXIT ON > THE RIGHT! THE MUSEUM IS SITUATED ABOUT 100 METERS UP HERE ON THE LEFT > BETWEEN THE MCDONALDS AND STARBUCKS From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:30:30 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:30:30 -0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off Message-ID: From: Cpt Blue Skin >I almost always wear all black - have done since I was 13 or 14 and >have had long hair off n on over the years but I listen to a WIDE >variety of musical styles. As this guy claimed he did - but it didn't help his argument as he only sang along to songs that went "Rooorrrrraaaaarrrrrgh" The rest of the time he was very quietly sipping his coca-cola! Maxine From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 08:32:07 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:32:07 +0000 Subject: Harvey Bainbridge - it wasn't me!! In-Reply-To: <200301231204.HAA23687@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: If you listen to the Hammy *November* 88 recording, DB says "here's our new album Travellers Aid Trust, it's got a lot of good bands on it and you might like to get it for Christmas, a few of us reached out maybe saying "let's have it" (like those Bailey Bros. used to chuck out (mostly faulty) stuff) Anyway Harvey quips, "Yes thats right, Dave will come amongst you and throw you presents". LOL LOL !! Top Notch. On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 12:04 pm, you wrote: > Ah, those were the days.. > I remember my first HW gig at Preston in 1981 and would like recount a > little tale from it. It was a very sparse HW line up as I recall > (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton/Griffiths)and a very techno sound to boot! Well > this was 1981, remember and they certainly used a lot of synthy sequencers > etc. Think of the Sonic Attack/Church of albums. > Anyway, back to the story-after jostling my way to the front, I took up > prime positon at Harvey's feet, an ideal postition for the view and the > LOUD loudspeakers. From the start, someone behind me was throwing bits of > ripped up fag packet at por old Harv (don't ask me why, I think it was a > post punk thing). I could see he was not amused by this and his face > became more like thunder as the song went on (I think it was Psi Power). > Eventually he cracked as the pieces of paper continued to come and he bent > down to me, looked me right in the eyes and shouted 'F*** OFF'. and > nonchalntly continued playing whilst giving me the occasional evil eye. > I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, after all Harvey had spoken to me > and in mine and my mates eyes (we were school boys back then)me and old > Harv were almost best mates! Of course I was the toast of the school > playground for months afterwards and obviously the story was blown out of > all proportion in that we talked for ages etc etc! > So, just to put the record straight - Harvey, it wasn't me! From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:37:42 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:37:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone Message-ID: >From: Stephe Lindas >Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone >Those are called BOOGERS In the y'uk the correct spelling is bogies... Maxine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. If that's not magic what is? From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 08:53:27 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:53:27 +0000 Subject: OFF:Other bands/metalifestyle off In-Reply-To: <3E2FF026.29873.E6AB8D@localhost> Message-ID: Which Guy? Cronos? Anyway IIRC it was actually a recording of a Train passing at exceptionally High Speed. Correct me if I'm wrong :) On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 1:30 pm, you wrote: > From: Cpt Blue Skin > > >I almost always wear all black - have done since I was 13 or 14 and > >have had long hair off n on over the years but I listen to a WIDE > >variety of musical styles. > > As this guy claimed he did - but it didn't help his argument as he only > sang along to songs that went > > "Rooorrrrraaaaarrrrrgh" > > The rest of the time he was very quietly sipping his coca-cola! > > Maxine From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 08:57:28 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:57:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone In-Reply-To: <3E2FF1D6.10061.ED4549@localhost> Message-ID: Maybe Boogeyman off of Rock 'N Roll, Motorhead 1987. You can't boogey wid da Boogeyman. I know it's not bogies because they're things that support Railway Locomotives & Carriages. On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 1:37 pm, you wrote: > From: Stephe Lindas > > >Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > > >Those are called BOOGERS > > In the y'uk the correct spelling is bogies... > > Maxine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: There is no Master - We are alone > > > We are the masters of our destiny. We are the wizards und witches - (the > > wize ones). There are many kinds of magic. and I'm not talking about - > > pulling a coin out of someones nose either. > > If that's not magic what is? From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Jan 23 10:50:45 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:50:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki's Network Message-ID: Damo gigs...2003 Damo Suzuki/Network...musicians vary *widely* from gig to gig!!!!! check www.damosuzuki.de for details... February 12 Cambridge, MA/USA February 14 Baltimore, MD/USA February 15 Winston-Salem, NC/USA February 16 New York, NY/USA February 22 Chicago, IL/USA March 16 New York, NY/USA March 17 San Francisco, CA/USA w/ Cul de Sac March 21 Bonn/Germany March 22 Dortmund/Germany March 23 Weinheim/Germany March 24 Frankfurt/Germany March 26 W?rgl/Austria March 27 M?nchen/Germany March 28 Zagreb/Croatia March 29 Beograd/Yugoslavia March 30 Wien/Austria March 31 Berlin/Germany April 01 Halle/Germany April 02 Marburg/Germany and there will be more...Grakkl (FAA) From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 23 10:57:30 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:57:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:25:53 -0000, Richard Crossley wrote: >Zounds - The Curse of Zounds Classic album! Haven't heard it for years though. Is it available on CD then? Could you post any more info (label etc)? thanks Nick From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Jan 23 11:14:10 2003 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:14:10 +0100 Subject: guilty pleasures Message-ID: At 17:41 2003-01-21 +0100, you wrote: >BM suggests... > >> My definition: >> Music you know is "Bad", but love anyway. >> >> Angel >> Uriah Heep >> The Godz (Michigan; 2 late 70's lps on Casablanca) > >I thought they were from Ohio. I think I even saw >them in a small club in Youngstown when I was but >a teenager, and 18 was still the drinking age there. > >But then, wasn't there another band called the Gods/Godz >that were actually related to the band listed just >above? Kerslake and such? They would then of course >have been English, eh? Well, not such a big deal >in any case. The Godz did a stunning version of a Golden Earring track. Wasn't that "Candy's going bad"? the Gods was a pre Uriah Heep band. Ken Hensley/Lee Kerslake was musicians along with Greg Lake (replaced by John Glascock of Jethro Tull). "Real Love Guaranteed" was the only track I've ever cared to listen to. .joe From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 23 11:27:31 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:57:30 -0500, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:25:53 -0000, Richard Crossley >wrote: > >>Zounds - The Curse of Zounds > >Classic album! Haven't heard it for years though. Is it available on CD >then? OK I can answer this myself with a little help from Google- CD can be bought from www.plastichead.com, who must be good people since they also distribute Cardiacs albums, and there's a big archive of Zounds info at: http://www.stevelake.co.uk/index.html enjoy Nick From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Thu Jan 23 13:25:47 2003 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:25:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands In-Reply-To: <200301231627.LAA25322@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:57:30 -0500, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > > >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:25:53 -0000, Richard Crossley > > > >wrote: > > > >>Zounds - The Curse of Zounds > > > >Classic album! Haven't heard it for years though. Is it > available on CD > >then? > > OK I can answer this myself with a little help from Google- > CD can be bought from www.plastichead.com, who must be good > people since they also distribute Cardiacs albums, and > there's a big archive of Zounds info at: > > http://www.stevelake.co.uk/index.html Thanks for the link, was aware that Steve Lake had been doing solo gigs but didn't know they had 'reformed'. I now know what I'll be doing on Feb 6th :) Have had to rummage around in the back of the cupboard to find my copy of the Weird Noise E.P. not knowing there was a connection until now! Cheers, Richard. 'Don't make another bass guitar Mr. Rickenbacker'! NP: Androids of Mu - Blood Robots From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jan 23 13:22:51 2003 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:22:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Loosely based on this thread, someone put up Mike Oldfield. Does anyone know what the story behind the Amarok LP was - I read that there was a competition and a prize which remains unclaimed, anyone know anything about this? From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 13:36:23 2003 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:36:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: > NP: Androids of Mu - Blood Robots Blimey, I never thought I would see the day....... nice one Richard! :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/03 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 13:40:02 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:40:02 GMT Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures In-Reply-To: Captain Bl@ck's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:22:51 -0000 Message-ID: Of course I should mention under this rubrik that I have collected a number of Chicory Tip singles. I note that they've also reformed and are playing gigs. FoFP From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 23 13:54:20 2003 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:54:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: GONG REMASTERS Message-ID: >From the GAS website just in case you missed it: GONG BACK CATALOGUE TO GET THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES Tue 21 Jan 2003 by jonny The time has come...EMI (the owners of Virgin Records) are to re-release much of the Gong back catalogue this year. The CDs will be re-mastered from the original tapes, be expanded with previously unheard bonus tracks and have totally new, detailed and illustrated booklets. The Radio Gnome Trilogy of Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg and You are due at the end of May and Live Etc, expanded to a double CD, will be available in October. The You CD should also contain the 1974 Quad mix re-mastered for 5.1 surround sound and there is a strong possibility of Flying Teapot and Angel's Egg being similarly treated. This most exciting venture is being co-ordinated by Mark Powell who has overseen many other similar projects, such as a masterful job on the Caravan catalogue a couple of years back. We are in regular contact with him to help to make these releases the best ever - no contest. Also: REISSUES A GO-GO Wed 22 Jan 2003 by jonny Gong related back catalogues which have had, or are just about to have the 're mastered from master tapes, added unheard bonus tracks, new deluxe booklet treatment' are Kevin Ayers (almost completed and due first), Khan (all done awaiting a release date) and Steve Hillage (at the planning stage). Boy it's going to be an expensive year. I can feel the financial pain already. Rich W From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jan 23 13:56:13 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:56:13 -0500 Subject: guilty pleasures Message-ID: Thats not the same band. The Godz from Ohio have no connection to Uriah Heep. There were bands called the Gods, the Godz and the Godzz. Could be more. When I was a vinyl collector I'd come accross many bands with the same name, but totally different. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Edlundh" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: guilty pleasures > At 17:41 2003-01-21 +0100, you wrote: > >BM suggests... > > > >> My definition: > >> Music you know is "Bad", but love anyway. > >> > >> Angel > >> Uriah Heep > >> The Godz (Michigan; 2 late 70's lps on Casablanca) > > > >I thought they were from Ohio. I think I even saw > >them in a small club in Youngstown when I was but > >a teenager, and 18 was still the drinking age there. > > > >But then, wasn't there another band called the Gods/Godz > >that were actually related to the band listed just > >above? Kerslake and such? They would then of course > >have been English, eh? Well, not such a big deal > >in any case. > > The Godz did a stunning version of a Golden Earring track. > Wasn't that "Candy's going bad"? > > the Gods was a pre Uriah Heep band. Ken Hensley/Lee Kerslake was musicians > along with Greg Lake (replaced by John Glascock of Jethro Tull). "Real Love > Guaranteed" was the only track I've ever cared to listen to. > > .joe From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 13:58:54 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:58:54 GMT Subject: Hmmmm, Chicory Tip Message-ID: Seems that they had a new album out in 2000. One track was "It's So Easy". So: anyone know if it's a Hawkwind cover or a coincidence? AndyG: can you get this one? FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 12:35:39 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:35:39 -0400 Subject: HW: New OEBs live cuts and pictures from The 'School Daze' UK visit online now! Message-ID: Hello friends, doing our best to update the website. Lost of new pictures coming in from the 'School Daze' visit. You'll see a picture on the site listed as 'The Redhill Players'. Well, there's a slight problem with the website server, so we can't edit the file tag at the moment, so the players are as follows: left to right: Jay Adcock, Chas McDevitt, Keith Grant, Don Crane & Mike Burro. Other players not shown in the photo included, Phil Smith and Paul 'Prof' McDowell. Mick Farren recorded his bit in LA and we took it to the studio. 2 new live cuts are now available for FREE download. These were recorded at our bon voyage show at The Catch, London, 1/15/03 Hymie The Winey & London Rocker lineup was: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Phil Smith: electric lead guitars Dan Tilbury: drumkit Errol Rodericks: bass Here them now at: theoneyedbishops at iuma.com PS: also see 'additional artwork' PPS: We very much missed the presence of Spacehead's Mr. Dibs, and wish him well. Thanks for calling the studio dibsy! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 14:08:00 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: New OEBs live cuts and pictures from The 'School Daze' Message-ID: that's http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:36 PM To: boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: New OEBs live cuts and pictures from The 'School Daze' UK visit online now! Hello friends, doing our best to update the website. Lost of new pictures coming in from the 'School Daze' visit. You'll see a picture on the site listed as 'The Redhill Players'. Well, there's a slight problem with the website server, so we can't edit the file tag at the moment, so the players are as follows: left to right: Jay Adcock, Chas McDevitt, Keith Grant, Don Crane & Mike Burro. Other players not shown in the photo included, Phil Smith and Paul 'Prof' McDowell. Mick Farren recorded his bit in LA and we took it to the studio. 2 new live cuts are now available for FREE download. These were recorded at our bon voyage show at The Catch, London, 1/15/03 Hymie The Winey & London Rocker lineup was: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Phil Smith: electric lead guitars Dan Tilbury: drumkit Errol Rodericks: bass Here them now at: theoneyedbishops at iuma.com PS: also see 'additional artwork' PPS: We very much missed the presence of Spacehead's Mr. Dibs, and wish him well. Thanks for calling the studio dibsy! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 23 16:24:29 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:24:29 -0600 Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: :Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD : :Hi Folks... : :I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works from :the Black Widow folx in Italy. [snip] I just got this one as well. [snip] :Hawkwind's contribution is a new (or I should say 'yet again different') :version of Sonic Attack, entitled "This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack" the lyrics :of which seem unchanged. The lineup is given as Brock/Davey/Tree/Chadwick, :so this is from a few years ago (and would seemingly match up with when this :project was started). The vocals are a dead ringer for Calvert, but I guess :it's really Ron doing an amazing likeness, or else Dave uncovered an old :track of Calvert's from the distant past. I dunno...I've only given the :thing a quick cursory listen. It sounds very much like Calvert to me, and was driving me nuts to figure out how they did that. It doesn't sound like Ron to me, imho.... :The music seemed totally different than any :other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey :synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. Not sure what :Alan was doing...wave sequencer stuff perhaps, whatever that is. It's 7 :minutes long, and I think it's just fine though not superior to actually :hearing something that's not already 30 years old in part. Interestingly, :it's associated with "When Worlds Collide" but I really don't know how - :they have a writeup about said SF story, but nothing about how it connects :to Moorcock's words. Or if it even does. The writing credits go to :Moorcock, Calvert, Brock, Chadwick...not sure when/why Calvert was ever :awarded writing credit here, but you know how these things have continually :evolved over the years! I was fairly curious about that as well, as I wasn't aware of a "When Worlds Collide" influence. I wish there was a bit more on why a given track is indicative of its corresponding movie listed in the right up. :The other Hawkwind-related tracks are: the Adrian Shaw solo piece (nice gtr :playing, the only downside being synth-drums), Alan's solo piece (for I liked the vocal around the "silent running" bit. [snip] :Well, and then there are tracks by F&R, like the Quimby's doing :"Quatermass & the Pit," I really liked the Q&tP track. Very identifiable as MQB, I think. [snip] :The Prisoner theme is redone by :Gary Ramon/SunDial (and there's a hidden bonus track on Disc 3 that seems :like him/them again doing it again slightly differently?), and Dr. Who theme :is redone by a Finnish band called "Reverend Bizarre." The hidden bonus track sounded more like it was ripped almost directly from the soundtrack of the show. It was very disconcerting. Is there a track missing, btw, on that disc? I don't have the set near at hand, but I seem to recall there being 13 tracks on that disc, with #13 being the prisoner piece, but there was supposed to be 13 real tracks on it? I liked the pseudo "Pyramids of Mars" track as well. I was impressed given that according to the writeup, the band had only seen Dr. Who once. :The Star Trek piece :(by Italy's Deviate Damaen) is the only thing I heard on here that is awful! :Watered-down techno/sampling piece that seemingly took about a half-hour to :churn out. I'll agree wholeheartedly with Keith's assessment, here. [snip] :The Farflung/Pressurehed wing :is (oddly) not represented here anywhere, but a trio based in Kassel, I was disappointed in this, as I was quite looking forward to hearing something from that contingent. I was also hoping for an Astralasia remix (as was on the Cleopatra Sci-Fi Cafe release), but that didn't happen either. [snip] :The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. There's :a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's :sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had there :been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the center :spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art reproductions :and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and English. :It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the other :text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant (what :else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the writings :themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could get :most of it edited properly, but hey... It's very dense material, and I'm not finished reading it myself. Out of curiosity, was there supposed to be a 4th disc? Does anyone know? [snip] Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 17:02:56 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:02:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD Message-ID: It is Calvert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: > > :Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > : > :Hi Folks... > : > :I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works from > :the Black Widow folx in Italy. > > [snip] > > I just got this one as well. > > [snip] > > :Hawkwind's contribution is a new (or I should say 'yet again different') > :version of Sonic Attack, entitled "This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack" the lyrics > :of which seem unchanged. The lineup is given as Brock/Davey/Tree/Chadwick, > :so this is from a few years ago (and would seemingly match up with when this > :project was started). The vocals are a dead ringer for Calvert, but I guess > :it's really Ron doing an amazing likeness, or else Dave uncovered an old > :track of Calvert's from the distant past. I dunno...I've only given the > :thing a quick cursory listen. > > It sounds very much like Calvert to me, and was driving me nuts to figure > out how they did that. It doesn't sound like Ron to me, imho.... > > :The music seemed totally different than any > :other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey > :synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. Not sure what > :Alan was doing...wave sequencer stuff perhaps, whatever that is. It's 7 > :minutes long, and I think it's just fine though not superior to actually > :hearing something that's not already 30 years old in part. Interestingly, > :it's associated with "When Worlds Collide" but I really don't know how - > :they have a writeup about said SF story, but nothing about how it connects > :to Moorcock's words. Or if it even does. The writing credits go to > :Moorcock, Calvert, Brock, Chadwick...not sure when/why Calvert was ever > :awarded writing credit here, but you know how these things have continually > :evolved over the years! > > I was fairly curious about that as well, as I wasn't aware of a "When > Worlds Collide" influence. I wish there was a bit more on why a given > track is indicative of its corresponding movie listed in the right up. > > :The other Hawkwind-related tracks are: the Adrian Shaw solo piece (nice gtr > :playing, the only downside being synth-drums), Alan's solo piece (for > > I liked the vocal around the "silent running" bit. > > [snip] > > :Well, and then there are tracks by F&R, like the Quimby's doing > :"Quatermass & the Pit," > > I really liked the Q&tP track. Very identifiable as MQB, I think. > > [snip] > > :The Prisoner theme is redone by > :Gary Ramon/SunDial (and there's a hidden bonus track on Disc 3 that seems > :like him/them again doing it again slightly differently?), and Dr. Who theme > :is redone by a Finnish band called "Reverend Bizarre." > > The hidden bonus track sounded more like it was ripped almost directly > from the soundtrack of the show. It was very disconcerting. Is there a > track missing, btw, on that disc? I don't have the set near at hand, but > I seem to recall there being 13 tracks on that disc, with #13 being the > prisoner piece, but there was supposed to be 13 real tracks on it? > > I liked the pseudo "Pyramids of Mars" track as well. I was impressed > given that according to the writeup, the band had only seen Dr. Who once. > > :The Star Trek piece > :(by Italy's Deviate Damaen) is the only thing I heard on here that is awful! > :Watered-down techno/sampling piece that seemingly took about a half-hour to > :churn out. > > I'll agree wholeheartedly with Keith's assessment, here. > > [snip] > > :The Farflung/Pressurehed wing > :is (oddly) not represented here anywhere, but a trio based in Kassel, > > I was disappointed in this, as I was quite looking forward to hearing > something from that contingent. I was also hoping for an Astralasia remix > (as was on the Cleopatra Sci-Fi Cafe release), but that didn't happen > either. > > [snip] > > :The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. There's > :a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's > :sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had there > :been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the center > :spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art reproductions > :and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and English. > :It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the other > :text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant (what > :else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the writings > :themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could get > :most of it edited properly, but hey... > > It's very dense material, and I'm not finished reading it myself. > > Out of curiosity, was there supposed to be a 4th disc? Does anyone know? > > [snip] > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 17:33:48 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:33:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack (on Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD) Message-ID: Is this the same version that was on the 3 track love in space single? i remember reading/hearing somewhere that they had mixed on a calvert vocal track to a current/contemporary recording of the tune. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > It is Calvert. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arin Komins" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: > > > > :Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > > : > > :Hi Folks... > > : > > :I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works from > > :the Black Widow folx in Italy. > > > > [snip] > > > > I just got this one as well. > > > > [snip] > > > > :Hawkwind's contribution is a new (or I should say 'yet again different') > > :version of Sonic Attack, entitled "This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack" the > lyrics > > :of which seem unchanged. The lineup is given as > Brock/Davey/Tree/Chadwick, > > :so this is from a few years ago (and would seemingly match up with when > this > > :project was started). The vocals are a dead ringer for Calvert, but I > guess > > :it's really Ron doing an amazing likeness, or else Dave uncovered an old > > :track of Calvert's from the distant past. I dunno...I've only given the > > :thing a quick cursory listen. > > > > It sounds very much like Calvert to me, and was driving me nuts to figure > > out how they did that. It doesn't sound like Ron to me, imho.... > > > > :The music seemed totally different than any > > :other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey > > :synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. Not sure > what > > :Alan was doing...wave sequencer stuff perhaps, whatever that is. It's 7 > > :minutes long, and I think it's just fine though not superior to actually > > :hearing something that's not already 30 years old in part. > Interestingly, > > :it's associated with "When Worlds Collide" but I really don't know how - > > :they have a writeup about said SF story, but nothing about how it > connects > > :to Moorcock's words. Or if it even does. The writing credits go to > > :Moorcock, Calvert, Brock, Chadwick...not sure when/why Calvert was ever > > :awarded writing credit here, but you know how these things have > continually > > :evolved over the years! > > > > I was fairly curious about that as well, as I wasn't aware of a "When > > Worlds Collide" influence. I wish there was a bit more on why a given > > track is indicative of its corresponding movie listed in the right up. > > > > :The other Hawkwind-related tracks are: the Adrian Shaw solo piece (nice > gtr > > :playing, the only downside being synth-drums), Alan's solo piece (for > > > > I liked the vocal around the "silent running" bit. > > > > [snip] > > > > :Well, and then there are tracks by F&R, like the Quimby's doing > > :"Quatermass & the Pit," > > > > I really liked the Q&tP track. Very identifiable as MQB, I think. > > > > [snip] > > > > :The Prisoner theme is redone by > > :Gary Ramon/SunDial (and there's a hidden bonus track on Disc 3 that seems > > :like him/them again doing it again slightly differently?), and Dr. Who > theme > > :is redone by a Finnish band called "Reverend Bizarre." > > > > The hidden bonus track sounded more like it was ripped almost directly > > from the soundtrack of the show. It was very disconcerting. Is there a > > track missing, btw, on that disc? I don't have the set near at hand, but > > I seem to recall there being 13 tracks on that disc, with #13 being the > > prisoner piece, but there was supposed to be 13 real tracks on it? > > > > I liked the pseudo "Pyramids of Mars" track as well. I was impressed > > given that according to the writeup, the band had only seen Dr. Who once. > > > > :The Star Trek piece > > :(by Italy's Deviate Damaen) is the only thing I heard on here that is > awful! > > :Watered-down techno/sampling piece that seemingly took about a half-hour > to > > :churn out. > > > > I'll agree wholeheartedly with Keith's assessment, here. > > > > [snip] > > > > :The Farflung/Pressurehed wing > > :is (oddly) not represented here anywhere, but a trio based in Kassel, > > > > I was disappointed in this, as I was quite looking forward to hearing > > something from that contingent. I was also hoping for an Astralasia remix > > (as was on the Cleopatra Sci-Fi Cafe release), but that didn't happen > > either. > > > > [snip] > > > > :The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. > There's > > :a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's > > :sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had > there > > :been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the > center > > :spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art reproductions > > :and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and > English. > > :It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the > other > > :text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant > (what > > :else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the > writings > > :themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could get > > :most of it edited properly, but hey... > > > > It's very dense material, and I'm not finished reading it myself. > > > > Out of curiosity, was there supposed to be a 4th disc? Does anyone know? > > > > [snip] > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 17:37:28 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:37:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack (on Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD) Message-ID: I am 99% certain that it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: HW: Sonic Attack (on Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD) > Is this the same version that was on the 3 track love in space single? i > remember reading/hearing somewhere that they had mixed on a calvert vocal > track to a current/contemporary recording of the tune. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > > > > It is Calvert. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arin Komins" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:24 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: > > > > > > :Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD > > > : > > > :Hi Folks... > > > : > > > :I just picked up this box-set thingy that had been long in the works > from > > > :the Black Widow folx in Italy. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > I just got this one as well. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > :Hawkwind's contribution is a new (or I should say 'yet again > different') > > > :version of Sonic Attack, entitled "This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack" the > > lyrics > > > :of which seem unchanged. The lineup is given as > > Brock/Davey/Tree/Chadwick, > > > :so this is from a few years ago (and would seemingly match up with when > > this > > > :project was started). The vocals are a dead ringer for Calvert, but I > > guess > > > :it's really Ron doing an amazing likeness, or else Dave uncovered an > old > > > :track of Calvert's from the distant past. I dunno...I've only given > the > > > :thing a quick cursory listen. > > > > > > It sounds very much like Calvert to me, and was driving me nuts to > figure > > > out how they did that. It doesn't sound like Ron to me, imho.... > > > > > > :The music seemed totally different than any > > > :other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey > > > :synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. Not sure > > what > > > :Alan was doing...wave sequencer stuff perhaps, whatever that is. It's > 7 > > > :minutes long, and I think it's just fine though not superior to > actually > > > :hearing something that's not already 30 years old in part. > > Interestingly, > > > :it's associated with "When Worlds Collide" but I really don't know > how - > > > :they have a writeup about said SF story, but nothing about how it > > connects > > > :to Moorcock's words. Or if it even does. The writing credits go to > > > :Moorcock, Calvert, Brock, Chadwick...not sure when/why Calvert was ever > > > :awarded writing credit here, but you know how these things have > > continually > > > :evolved over the years! > > > > > > I was fairly curious about that as well, as I wasn't aware of a "When > > > Worlds Collide" influence. I wish there was a bit more on why a given > > > track is indicative of its corresponding movie listed in the right up. > > > > > > :The other Hawkwind-related tracks are: the Adrian Shaw solo piece (nice > > gtr > > > :playing, the only downside being synth-drums), Alan's solo piece (for > > > > > > I liked the vocal around the "silent running" bit. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > :Well, and then there are tracks by F&R, like the Quimby's doing > > > :"Quatermass & the Pit," > > > > > > I really liked the Q&tP track. Very identifiable as MQB, I think. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > :The Prisoner theme is redone by > > > :Gary Ramon/SunDial (and there's a hidden bonus track on Disc 3 that > seems > > > :like him/them again doing it again slightly differently?), and Dr. Who > > theme > > > :is redone by a Finnish band called "Reverend Bizarre." > > > > > > The hidden bonus track sounded more like it was ripped almost directly > > > from the soundtrack of the show. It was very disconcerting. Is there a > > > track missing, btw, on that disc? I don't have the set near at hand, > but > > > I seem to recall there being 13 tracks on that disc, with #13 being the > > > prisoner piece, but there was supposed to be 13 real tracks on it? > > > > > > I liked the pseudo "Pyramids of Mars" track as well. I was impressed > > > given that according to the writeup, the band had only seen Dr. Who > once. > > > > > > :The Star Trek piece > > > :(by Italy's Deviate Damaen) is the only thing I heard on here that is > > awful! > > > :Watered-down techno/sampling piece that seemingly took about a > half-hour > > to > > > :churn out. > > > > > > I'll agree wholeheartedly with Keith's assessment, here. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > :The Farflung/Pressurehed wing > > > :is (oddly) not represented here anywhere, but a trio based in Kassel, > > > > > > I was disappointed in this, as I was quite looking forward to hearing > > > something from that contingent. I was also hoping for an Astralasia > remix > > > (as was on the Cleopatra Sci-Fi Cafe release), but that didn't happen > > > either. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > :The package is nicely done....fold-out double-height wallet-thing. > > There's > > > :a CD-sized booklet of information about the bands/tracks/movies that's > > > :sealed into the place where the 4th digipak tray *would* have been had > > there > > > :been four discs. And then there's a bigger booklet sealed into the > > center > > > :spine (so it's "double-height" also) that has articles, art > reproductions > > > :and a whole Prisoner guide section, everything in both Italian and > > English. > > > :It looks nice too, but haven't had time to read any of it. From the > > other > > > :text bits, the usual heap of misspellings and other typos are rampant > > (what > > > :else is new?), and I wonder how well the translation is done in the > > writings > > > :themselves. They spent several years on this, you'd think they could > get > > > :most of it edited properly, but hey... > > > > > > It's very dense material, and I'm not finished reading it myself. > > > > > > Out of curiosity, was there supposed to be a 4th disc? Does anyone > know? > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Arin > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 23 18:13:37 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:13:37 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: I have never seen this available on CD. It was put out on a local label in Columbus, Ohio. The vinyl is even hard to find these days. 20 years ago, it was in every used record store in Ohio.......... I don't think that they ever scored a deal w/ the majors.... Quite a bunch of ugly fellows. But then again...... "We're everything your parents ever warned you about." Good luck and let us know if you find it on disc! Peace, D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Is this on CD? I have looked for it. All I have found was a live one that had my favorite song - Cross Country on it. Would love to track down the studio version. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: guilty pleasures In a message dated 1/21/2003 2:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > Is that The Godz that do Gotta keep a runnin? it is indeed... "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." "The Godz are rock and roll machines..." -bobm From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 23 18:17:16 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:17:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: Oh, that's an interesting tidbit! I certainly would be willing to give Adventures in Modern Recording a good listen......... I never even knew such a thing existed. I assume that it's not the easiest thing to find...... Thanx for the info.... Peace, D -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy [mailto:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > I have to say though.... > > I never liked the Buggles. I hated the Video Killed The Radio Star song and > I thought that the addition of Buggles to Yes was the beginning of the end > for them. Drama had some high points, but after that.... > > Of course, it's my understanding that Chris Squire wanted to take the band > off to the pop realm. So there ya go...... The little known 2nd Buggles album, Adventures in Modern Recording, was great, & was much more of a Prog rock album. It even had the original version of I Am A Camera (which reappeared on Drama), as well as a guest appearance by Chris Squire. William From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 18:20:24 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:20:24 EST Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 6:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > It was put out on a local label in > Columbus, Ohio. The vinyl is even hard to find these days. 20 years ago, it > was in every used record store in Ohio.......... > > I don't think that they ever scored a deal w/ the majors.... > > my copies of both their albums (on vinyl) are on Casablanca. bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 18:24:09 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:24:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: the Godz Message-ID: As far as I'm concerned, the only Godz (or Gods) that ever mattered were the band from NYC who had several albums on ESP-disk in the late-60s/early- 70s, contemporaries of the Fugs, Pearls Before Swine, Holy Modal Rounders, etc. ... maybe even the folk-ish side of the Velvet Underground. Really crazy stuff, like folkies on bad acid, but great songs, despite the lo-fi recording / lo-talent performances (but they still sound like ELP or Mashivishnu Orchestra next to the Shaggs). Highly recommended to those who like their musicians "eccentric". For more information ... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6115/godz2.htm http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6115/godzhistb.htm http://demonbeach.com/bmodern/articles.htm (bottom of the page) http://rockmusic.hypermart.net/list06a_.htm (interesting company they're in, here) Their first two albums, 'Contact High', and 'Godz 2', are both utterly brilliant, but their later stuff, unfortunately, isn't. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Jan 23 18:31:21 2003 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:31:21 +0300 Subject: HW: Not of this Earth 3-CD Message-ID: Is it not the same version as on the Love in Space E.P.? > It is Calvert. > > :The music seemed totally different than any > > :other version...no real bass guitar I don't think, but kinda trancey > > :synths/percussion along with some guitar playing from Dave. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 18:47:31 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:47:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures Message-ID: As i tripped along through my nearly teenage years, Chicory Tip was one of many bands that i bought - 'tho my budget was restricted to singles back then - Hawkwind arrived in my life sometime in 1976 at the age of 13. Other 70's icons (for the nearly teenage me anyway) Slade Wizzard Sweet Rubettes Later, there were also good vibes with: Earth Wind and Fire Parliament Funkadelic I'm surprised that nobody else has drawn across a reference to the Space Rock disco branch. Some of their stuff was really far out there - especially the live work. The one that I should really feel mega guilty about though is ELO - Electric Light Orchestra - the guilt being attributed to the 'post Roy Wood' years. Hell,! they even credited an 'orchestral arranger' on their albums - Louis Clarke IIRC. Thats my guilt trip out the bag.Soomewhere in me ma&pa's house there's a blue vinyl copy of Out of the Blue. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Other Bands - Guilty pleasures > Of course I should mention under this rubrik that I have collected a > number of Chicory Tip singles. > > I note that they've also reformed and are playing gigs. > > FoFP > From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 23 19:20:32 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:20:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:36:23 -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: >> NP: Androids of Mu - Blood Robots > >Blimey, I never thought I would see the day....... nice one Richard! :) May I say how refreshing it is to see some fine old punk bands getting a mention here, instead of all the laughable Metal bollocks that's been discussed of late on this esteemed list. Er, IMHO of course. donning flameproof suit Nick From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 19:26:30 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:56:30 +1030 Subject: HW: Other Bands - off orff off Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: HW: Other Bands > May I say how refreshing it is to see some fine old punk bands getting a > mention here, instead of all the laughable Metal bollocks that's been > discussed of late on this esteemed list. > > Er, IMHO of course. > > donning flameproof suit > > Nick > wheres me damned matches - lighter - anything!! haven't had a good witch burning for a few centuries now...... with a bit of make up and creative dressing Im sure we could make you look like a witch. From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Thu Jan 23 19:33:34 2003 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:33:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Other Bands Message-ID: Hey, I had this one too. One of the pieces of vinyl that unfortunately got let behind in Australia I'm afraid Jeff On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:20:32 -0500, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM wrote: >On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:36:23 -0000, Peter Wibrew > wrote: > >>> NP: Androids of Mu - Blood Robots >> >>Blimey, I never thought I would see the day....... nice one Richard! :) > >May I say how refreshing it is to see some fine old punk bands getting a >mention here, instead of all the laughable Metal bollocks that's been >discussed of late on this esteemed list. > >Er, IMHO of course. > >donning flameproof suit > >Nick From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 23 19:59:45 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:59:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. When I started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter Sandman" was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. The mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no heavy tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never bought it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it for me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after Napster. Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the article w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP opening. That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the black album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... First: what is heavy metal music? Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American music form. Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any heavy metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a major influence. Hendrix was an American! Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they have a couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig the tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better at partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group of musicians and not worthy. Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, but once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy metal. Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic 3 chord riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal heads - fans and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures of the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went prog on the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody out there. Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who cares?! What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is dark and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can figure out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch Glen Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through the new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the release of Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider U.S. Metal. What about Ministry? I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum Destruction?? My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If some fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve 1987 at their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never could find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist before they called a quits. A total shame really :( Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know of their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for Hawkwind at the Empire. If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in your collection, you better hit the streets! Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most notable band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the tragic death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be something they just could not rebound from..... Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell me he was not a great American metal guitarist! There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of John Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was sent to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, "World War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they released their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a 3-record-deal with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their second album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and produced by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered their bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL going to this day! Long Live The Loud!!! There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel and Megaforce labels. Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise Exodus Nuclear Assault Death Angel Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride Corrosion of Conformity Slayer - the name says it all!! Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal Blue Cheer - early metal Bloodrock Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! WASP Armored Saint Ted Nugent Primus Great White Dream Theater Riot - Fire Down Under!! Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree Soundgarden Biohazard How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? Come on man..... Let's get..... INTO THE PIT!!! Dragon Rider ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original Message----- From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands Can you name any decent US Metal bands? I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were a bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 20:31:04 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:31:04 EST Subject: OFF: the Godz Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 6:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: I saw the Godz in NYC opening for REO Speedwagon in the late 70s. Pretty uneventful show except for the 1st act on the 3 band bill..Judas Priest, who were playing for the first time in the USA. It would be an understatement to say the Priest stole the show! Bill From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 20:48:20 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:48:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands In-Reply-To: <0e6b01c2c343$e2ddb140$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I still think it's all a bit plastic. Dont bomb Iraq, Tony Blair has gone mad. See you in the pit maybe :) :( :) On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:59 am, you wrote: > I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. When I > started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter Sandman" > was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. The > mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no heavy > tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never bought > it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! > Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it for > me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after Napster. > Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the article > w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. > > I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP opening. > That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the black > album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. >` > And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... > > First: what is heavy metal music? > > Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural > progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. > > The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American music > form. > > Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? > > Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any heavy > metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a major > influence. Hendrix was an American! > > Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! > > They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. > > Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they have a > couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig the > tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better at > partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group of > musicians and not worthy. > > Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, but > once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy metal. > Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic 3 chord > riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal heads - fans > and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures of > the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went prog on > the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody out there. > Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who cares?! > > What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is dark > and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, > there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even > rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can figure > out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch Glen > Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! > Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. > Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through the > new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the release of > Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! > > But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider U.S. > Metal. > > What about Ministry? > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! > > Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum > Destruction?? > > My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If some > fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve 1987 at > their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never could > find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist before > they called a quits. > A total shame really :( > Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know of > their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for Hawkwind at > the Empire. > > If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in your > collection, you better hit the streets! > > Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most notable > band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The > Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the tragic > death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be something they just > could not rebound from..... > > Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an > American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell me > he was not a great American metal guitarist! > > There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. > > In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of John > Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, > they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was sent > to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, "World > War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly > after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they released > their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a 3-record-deal > with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their second > album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and produced > by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). > > So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered their > bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that > started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL going to > this day! Long Live The Loud!!! > > There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel and > Megaforce labels. > > Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise > Exodus > Nuclear Assault > Death Angel > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > Corrosion of Conformity > Slayer - the name says it all!! > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > Blue Cheer - early metal > Bloodrock > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > WASP > Armored Saint > Ted Nugent > Primus > Great White > Dream Theater > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > Soundgarden > Biohazard > > How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? > > Come on man..... > > Let's get..... > > INTO THE PIT!!! > > Dragon Rider > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were > a > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. From piccallopaul at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 20:56:18 2003 From: piccallopaul at MSN.COM (Paul Gartside) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:56:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: how about nine inch nails >From: Ben Fagin >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:48:20 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from cpimssmtpa07.msn.com ([207.46.181.96]) by >mc9-f34.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 23 Jan >2003 17:53:14 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu ([192.107.46.113]) by cpimssmtpa07.msn.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:47:55 -0800 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu >[192.107.46.113])by listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with >ESMTP id UAA02757;Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:50:45 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 40852 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, >23 Jan 2003 20:50:45 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SPC-4.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >UAA02750 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:50:44 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) >by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.9.3/SPC-5.4-NORELAY) with ESMTP id >UAA21857 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:50:42 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from pc-62-30-170-181-ca.blueyonder.co.uk ([62.30.170.181]) by > blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 24 > Jan 2003 01:51:42 +0000 >X-Message-Info: dHZMQeBBv44lPE7o4B5bAg== >X-MSN-Trace: {DC7CF481-BD8D-41A0-8EB7-42060BEC093C} >User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 >References: ><08AF1F5DF3CB574FBAEB064E5E32EDBB826BC3 at TLHEXSMB2.floridadep.net> > <0e6b01c2c343$e2ddb140$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.com> >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.spc.edu id > UAA02751 >Message-ID: <200301240148.20744.vulcanfoundry at blueyonder.co.uk> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Organization: linuxchaos.org.uk >In-Reply-To: <0e6b01c2c343$e2ddb140$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.com> >Return-Path: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2003 01:47:56.0093 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9DB8DED0:01C2C34A] > >Thanks! > > > >I still think it's all a bit plastic. > >Dont bomb Iraq, Tony Blair has gone mad. > >See you in the pit maybe :) :( :) > > > >On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:59 am, you wrote: > > I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. >When I > > started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter >Sandman" > > was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. >The > > mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no heavy > > tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never bought > > it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! > > Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it >for > > me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after >Napster. > > Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the >article > > w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. > > > > I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP >opening. > > That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the >black > > album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. > >` > > And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... > > > > First: what is heavy metal music? > > > > Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural > > progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. > > > > The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American >music > > form. > > > > Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? > > > > Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any >heavy > > metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a >major > > influence. Hendrix was an American! > > > > Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! > > > > They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. > > > > Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they >have a > > couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig >the > > tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better >at > > partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group of > > musicians and not worthy. > > > > Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, but > > once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy metal. > > Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic 3 chord > > riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal heads - >fans > > and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures of > > the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went prog on > > the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody out there. > > Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who cares?! > > > > What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is >dark > > and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, > > there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even > > rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can >figure > > out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch >Glen > > Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! > > Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. > > Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through >the > > new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the release >of > > Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! > > > > But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider >U.S. > > Metal. > > > > What about Ministry? > > > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER >witnessed. > > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! >That's > > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > > > The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! > > > > Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum > > Destruction?? > > > > My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If >some > > fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve 1987 >at > > their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never >could > > find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist >before > > they called a quits. > > A total shame really :( > > Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know of > > their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for Hawkwind >at > > the Empire. > > > > If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in >your > > collection, you better hit the streets! > > > > Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most >notable > > band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The > > Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the tragic > > death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be something they >just > > could not rebound from..... > > > > Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an > > American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell >me > > he was not a great American metal guitarist! > > > > There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. > > > > In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of >John > > Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, > > they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was >sent > > to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, >"World > > War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly > > after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they >released > > their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a >3-record-deal > > with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their >second > > album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and >produced > > by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). > > > > So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered >their > > bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that > > started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL going >to > > this day! Long Live The Loud!!! > > > > There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel >and > > Megaforce labels. > > > > Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... > > > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White >Noise > > Exodus > > Nuclear Assault > > Death Angel > > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > > Corrosion of Conformity > > Slayer - the name says it all!! > > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > > Blue Cheer - early metal > > Bloodrock > > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > > WASP > > Armored Saint > > Ted Nugent > > Primus > > Great White > > Dream Theater > > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > > Soundgarden > > Biohazard > > > > How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? > > > > Come on man..... > > > > Let's get..... > > > > INTO THE PIT!!! > > > > Dragon Rider > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > > > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at >Shades, > > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they >were > > a > > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://messenger.msn.co.uk From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 21:15:33 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:15:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands In-Reply-To: <0e6b01c2c343$e2ddb140$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: What about those Union Pacific Railroads? that was top notch US Metal imo, can someone tell me about those or is this off on a tangent too far? On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:59 am, you wrote: > I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. When I > started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter Sandman" > was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. The > mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no heavy > tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never bought > it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! > Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it for > me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after Napster. > Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the article > w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. > > I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP opening. > That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the black > album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. > > And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... > > First: what is heavy metal music? > > Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural > progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. > > The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American music > form. > > Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? > > Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any heavy > metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a major > influence. Hendrix was an American! > > Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! > > They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. > > Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they have a > couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig the > tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better at > partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group of > musicians and not worthy. > > Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, but > once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy metal. > Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic 3 chord > riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal heads - fans > and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures of > the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went prog on > the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody out there. > Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who cares?! > > What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is dark > and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, > there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even > rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can figure > out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch Glen > Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! > Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. > Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through the > new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the release of > Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! > > But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider U.S. > Metal. > > What about Ministry? > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! > > Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum > Destruction?? > > My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If some > fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve 1987 at > their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never could > find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist before > they called a quits. > A total shame really :( > Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know of > their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for Hawkwind at > the Empire. > > If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in your > collection, you better hit the streets! > > Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most notable > band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The > Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the tragic > death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be something they just > could not rebound from..... > > Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an > American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell me > he was not a great American metal guitarist! > > There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. > > In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of John > Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, > they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was sent > to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, "World > War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly > after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they released > their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a 3-record-deal > with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their second > album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and produced > by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). > > So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered their > bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that > started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL going to > this day! Long Live The Loud!!! > > There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel and > Megaforce labels. > > Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise > Exodus > Nuclear Assault > Death Angel > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > Corrosion of Conformity > Slayer - the name says it all!! > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > Blue Cheer - early metal > Bloodrock > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > WASP > Armored Saint > Ted Nugent > Primus > Great White > Dream Theater > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > Soundgarden > Biohazard > > How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? > > Come on man..... > > Let's get..... > > INTO THE PIT!!! > > Dragon Rider > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were > a > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 21:25:09 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:25:09 EST Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki's Network Message-ID: Does anyone know where the show is in Chicago. I'm about to put on Monster Movie. I hope this happens...thanks for the post. Dale From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Jan 23 21:30:53 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:30:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki's Network In-Reply-To: <95.29042e1a.2b61fe05@aol.com> Message-ID: Here you go, Damo Suzuki with Defender: Jorge Ledezma (Guitar), Gabor Meszoros (Bass) and Angel Ledezma (Drums) February 22 2003 USA Chicago, IL Fireside Bowl Listen to Live Radio Show on www.wnur.org between 4pm-7pm US central standard time Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Dale K. Ford Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Damo Suzuki's Network Does anyone know where the show is in Chicago. I'm about to put on Monster Movie. I hope this happens...thanks for the post. Dale From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 23 21:43:47 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:43:47 -0500 Subject: GONG REMASTERS In-Reply-To: <3883269.1043348060126.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: So where are the PM Gong remasters? My fave period _____________________________________________ If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. -- Isaac Asimov ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Rich Warren ::Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:54 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: OFF: GONG REMASTERS :: :: ::From the GAS website just in case you missed it: :: ::GONG BACK CATALOGUE TO GET THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES Tue 21 Jan ::2003 by jonny ::The time has come...EMI (the owners of Virgin Records) are to ::re-release much of the Gong back catalogue this year. The CDs ::will be re-mastered from the original tapes, be expanded with ::previously unheard bonus tracks and have totally new, detailed ::and illustrated booklets. :: ::The Radio Gnome Trilogy of Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg and You ::are due at the end of May and Live Etc, expanded to a double CD, ::will be available in October. The You CD should also contain the ::1974 Quad mix re-mastered for 5.1 surround sound and there is a ::strong possibility of Flying Teapot and Angel's Egg being ::similarly treated. :: ::This most exciting venture is being co-ordinated by Mark Powell ::who has overseen many other similar projects, such as a ::masterful job on the Caravan catalogue a couple of years back. ::We are in regular contact with him to help to make these ::releases the best ever - no contest. :: ::Also: :: ::REISSUES A GO-GO Wed 22 Jan 2003 by jonny ::Gong related back catalogues which have had, or are just about ::to have the 're mastered from master tapes, added unheard bonus ::tracks, new deluxe booklet treatment' are Kevin Ayers (almost ::completed and due first), Khan (all done awaiting a release ::date) and Steve Hillage (at the planning stage). Boy it's going ::to be an expensive year. :: ::I can feel the financial pain already. :: ::Rich W From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 22:08:51 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:08:51 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:22:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise > Exodus > Nuclear Assault > Death Angel > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > Corrosion of Conformity > Slayer - the name says it all!! > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > Blue Cheer - early metal > Bloodrock > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > WASP > Armored Saint > Ted Nugent > Primus > Great White > Dream Theater > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > Soundgarden > Biohazard guy, you need to get the 1st montrose lp NOW... bobm From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Jan 23 22:20:41 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:20:41 -0600 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Was about to mention the Montrose record as well...that's two votes for Montrose...(first album only) Aerosmith was OK until they quit doing drugs....then they sucked. Aerosmith "Rocks" is a classic.....Toys In the Attic rocks! From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Jan 23 22:39:04 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:39:04 -0700 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Montrose was certainly the best work Sammy Hagar (he was only Sam Hagar back then) ever did. "Space Station Number 9"!! :-) "Rocks" was always my favorite Aerosmith. In Junior High, my best friend bought "Toys", I bought "Rocks". He thought he had the better album. I knew better. Guido Tom Clark wrote: >Was about to mention the Montrose record as well...that's two votes for >Montrose...(first album only) > >Aerosmith was OK until they quit doing drugs....then they sucked. > >Aerosmith "Rocks" is a classic.....Toys In the Attic rocks! > > > From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 22:42:16 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:42:16 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I saw that tour, Metallica was only into "who had some coke". I still have my Ride the Lightning LP from the show signed by everyone. They were idiots. I offered to smoke some "hemp" with a band member and he said, "bring some coke to the spaced out bus". I explained to him I wasn't into hard drugs and he told me that..."hemp slows me down, forget it". The show wasn't that good except for Wasp. Email me for pics of Metallica signing things at the record store. Once again...They were idiots. Dale From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 23:06:45 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:06:45 EST Subject: OFF: the Godz Message-ID: I have some reel to reel shows of the Godz opening for The Fred Sonic Smith band from Ann Arbor. I will transfer these soon to CD. I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind opening on reel to reel. Is there any interest of these shows from this group? Zappa fan From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 23:45:51 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:45:51 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 11:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > that's two votes for > Montrose...(first album only) > hey hey hey...the 2nd lp (paper money) is very good, an overlooked gem. not as 'balls-out' as the debut, but worth checking out (same line-up as 1st, too). bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 23:46:23 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:46:23 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 11:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > Space Station Number 9 number 5; sorry From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 23:49:46 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:49:46 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2003 11:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM writes: > The show wasn't that good except for Wasp. > > WTF???????????????????????? Once again...They (Metallica) were idiots. oh, ok....that wasp-being-good thing is becoming clearer now... bobm From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 01:19:18 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:19:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Knew I should have checked the track list. Oh well. Guido Robert C. Mayo wrote: >In a message dated 1/23/2003 11:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, >nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > > > > >>Space Station Number 9 >> >> > >number 5; sorry > > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Jan 24 02:30:27 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:30:27 -0500 Subject: THE HAWKWIND MUSEUM - NOW OPEN Message-ID: thanks to all those who have visited already, looking forward to seeing more of you come through the turnstiles!!. also note that things are being updated and added on an almost daily basis!! cheers dave and simon From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Fri Jan 24 03:37:34 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:37:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Dragon Rider writes : What about Ministry? I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! I second that opinion of live Ministry. Saw them at Brixton 1991(2?) and they were armageddon with guitars ! I had to pay a tout (as the show was sold out) 40 quid for the ticket, and have never regretted it. (Well, regretted not getting myself sorted sooner & paying standard price, but you know what I mean....) They had a *lot* of strobes & I seem to remeber a rather disturbing slide show.... Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ding-dong ! :o) Cheers Neil. PS I got in the pit From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jan 24 04:32:18 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:32:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I prefer Burlington Northern myself. Now BNSanta Fe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > What about those Union Pacific Railroads? that was top notch US Metal imo, can > someone tell me about those or is this off on a tangent too far? > > > On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:59 am, you wrote: > > I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. When I > > started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter Sandman" > > was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. The > > mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no heavy > > tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never bought > > it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! > > Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it for > > me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after Napster. > > Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the article > > w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. > > > > I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP opening. > > That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the black > > album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. > > > > And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... > > > > First: what is heavy metal music? > > > > Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural > > progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. > > > > The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American music > > form. > > > > Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? > > > > Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any heavy > > metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a major > > influence. Hendrix was an American! > > > > Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! > > > > They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. > > > > Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they have a > > couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig the > > tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better at > > partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group of > > musicians and not worthy. > > > > Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, but > > once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy metal. > > Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic 3 chord > > riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal heads - fans > > and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures of > > the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went prog on > > the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody out there. > > Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who cares?! > > > > What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is dark > > and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, > > there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even > > rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can figure > > out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch Glen > > Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! > > Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. > > Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through the > > new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the release of > > Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! > > > > But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider U.S. > > Metal. > > > > What about Ministry? > > > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > > > The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! > > > > Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum > > Destruction?? > > > > My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If some > > fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve 1987 at > > their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never could > > find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist before > > they called a quits. > > A total shame really :( > > Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know of > > their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for Hawkwind at > > the Empire. > > > > If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in your > > collection, you better hit the streets! > > > > Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most notable > > band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The > > Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the tragic > > death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be something they just > > could not rebound from..... > > > > Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an > > American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell me > > he was not a great American metal guitarist! > > > > There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. > > > > In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of John > > Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, > > they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was sent > > to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, "World > > War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly > > after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they released > > their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a 3-record-deal > > with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their second > > album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and produced > > by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). > > > > So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered their > > bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that > > started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL going to > > this day! Long Live The Loud!!! > > > > There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel and > > Megaforce labels. > > > > Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... > > > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise > > Exodus > > Nuclear Assault > > Death Angel > > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > > Corrosion of Conformity > > Slayer - the name says it all!! > > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > > Blue Cheer - early metal > > Bloodrock > > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > > WASP > > Armored Saint > > Ted Nugent > > Primus > > Great White > > Dream Theater > > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > > Soundgarden > > Biohazard > > > > How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? > > > > Come on man..... > > > > Let's get..... > > > > INTO THE PIT!!! > > > > Dragon Rider > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > > > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at Shades, > > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they were > > a > > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 24 04:37:55 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:07:55 +1030 Subject: OFF: decent Metal bands Message-ID: SPINAL TAP!!! I'm STILL waiting for spinal tap to tour australia - thaaaa royal BASTARDS!! Gotta say - lick my love pump is a classic METAL tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > Dragon Rider writes : > What about Ministry? > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > I second that opinion of live Ministry. Saw them at Brixton 1991(2?) and > they were armageddon with guitars ! > I had to pay a tout (as the show was sold out) 40 quid for the ticket, and > have never regretted it. (Well, regretted not getting myself sorted sooner > & paying standard price, but you know what I mean....) > They had a *lot* of strobes & I seem to remeber a rather disturbing slide > show.... > > Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ding-dong ! :o) > > Cheers > Neil. > > PS I got in the pit > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 24 04:48:56 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:48:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: RUSH, er kinda. Neil Peart book. Message-ID: Fomr a biking list I'm on, might be of some interest to those Rush fans aboard... ----- Original Message ----- I am now reading "Ghost Rider: Travels on the Healing Road" by Neil Peart and would like to recommend it to you. If you are not familiar with the book, it's written by the drummer for the rock group, Rush. He lost his daughter in an auto accident and, very soon after that, lost his wife to cancer. The book is the story of a long long trip around North America on his BMW . Nicely written. He is well read, well-traveled - a good guy going through an interesting time in his life. Even so, this isn't one of those "woe is me" stories. Peart would be great fun to hang out with for a few thousand miles. From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 24 05:18:07 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:18:07 +0200 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind Association). The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Jan 24 05:43:34 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:43:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: the Godz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Everyone would be extremely interested in the Detroit Hawkwind gig. But I guess the trading ban extends to rare never before seen film of the band as well. Maybe someone from the Hawkwind organization will see this post and contact you about an official release of the footage. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Dale K. Ford Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:07 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz I have some reel to reel shows of the Godz opening for The Fred Sonic Smith band from Ann Arbor. I will transfer these soon to CD. I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind opening on reel to reel. Is there any interest of these shows from this group? Zappa fan From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Jan 24 06:10:05 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 06:10:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, wanted to repost this under the HW instead of off. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Chris Raymond Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:44 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz Everyone would be extremely interested in the Detroit Hawkwind gig. But I guess the trading ban extends to rare never before seen film of the band as well. Maybe someone from the Hawkwind organization will see this post and contact you about an official release of the footage. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Dale K. Ford Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:07 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz I have some reel to reel shows of the Godz opening for The Fred Sonic Smith band from Ann Arbor. I will transfer these soon to CD. I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind opening on reel to reel. Is there any interest of these shows from this group? Zappa fan From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 24 06:43:07 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:43:07 +0800 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: Hi I think when he refers to reel to reel footage he is meaning tape, though I am also curious as to the band's position on film & video footage? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage > Sorry, wanted to repost this under the HW instead of off. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Raymond > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:44 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz > > > Everyone would be extremely interested in the Detroit Hawkwind gig. But I > guess the trading ban extends to rare never before seen film of the band as > well. Maybe someone from the Hawkwind organization will see this post and > contact you about an official release of the footage. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Dale K. Ford > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:07 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz > > > I have some reel to reel shows of the Godz opening for The Fred Sonic Smith > band from Ann Arbor. I will transfer these soon to CD. > > I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind > opening on reel to reel. > > Is there any interest of these shows from this group? > > Zappa fan > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:12:36 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:12:36 GMT Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:18:07 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > Association). > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). So how do we get this item? Mike From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 24 08:25:32 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:25:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent Metal bands Message-ID: > SPINAL TAP!!! > > I'm STILL waiting for spinal tap to tour australia - thaaaa royal BASTARDS!! > > Gotta say - lick my love pump is a classic METAL tune It's in the key of D minor you know - the saddest of all keys... John From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 08:44:37 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:44:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No-ones mentioned Twisted Fuckin Sista or Quiet Riot yet? These are blinding bands. Top Banana! We used to see them in the 80s as well. Nobody would mess wid Dee Snider! On Friday 24 Jan 2003 8:37 am, you wrote: > Dragon Rider writes : > What about Ministry? > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > I second that opinion of live Ministry. Saw them at Brixton 1991(2?) and > they were armageddon with guitars ! > I had to pay a tout (as the show was sold out) 40 quid for the ticket, and > have never regretted it. (Well, regretted not getting myself sorted sooner > & paying standard price, but you know what I mean....) > They had a *lot* of strobes & I seem to remeber a rather disturbing slide > show.... > > Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ding-dong ! :o) > > Cheers > Neil. > > PS I got in the pit From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jan 24 09:13:48 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:13:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands In-Reply-To: <010b01c2c357$93bddd60$0b01a8c0@TomMain> Message-ID: Tom Clark wrote: > Aerosmith "Rocks" is a classic.....Toys In the Attic rocks! I found out about Aerosmith from the Permanent Vacation album backward and I remember thinking, after hearing the song Toys In the Attic, "these are the same guys who did 'Angel?' What happened?!?" For me, Toys is still near and dear. Back on the metal track, VH1 had the Top 40 Hair Band countdown last night. I managed to catch WASP, Europe, Brittany Fox, The Scorpions and KISS (post make-up). It inspired me as I left to pop Van Halen's 5150 album into my car CD player. It was the first album I ever owned (originally on cassette) and it eventually led me through winding paths to BOC, HW and all my current favorites. So in my biased opinion, as far as US metal/hard rock bands go, VH is tops. "Hello baby!" Brian obMetalSong> "Get Up" Van Halen 5150 From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Fri Jan 24 10:12:39 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:12:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Ben wrote: No-ones mentioned Twisted Fuckin Sista or Quiet Riot yet? TS were a fantastic band. Never was lucky enough to see them live, but I remeber their notorious sowing on The Tube, which still makes me smile. Happy daze. Cheers N From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Jan 24 10:18:47 2003 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:18:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I got to see TS in concert when they cam to my home town, they are a great concert act, spent a lot of time talking, and or screaming at the audience very funny and good act too ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > Ben wrote: > No-ones mentioned Twisted Fuckin Sista or Quiet Riot yet? > > TS were a fantastic band. Never was lucky enough to see them live, but I > remeber their notorious sowing on The Tube, which still makes me smile. > Happy daze. > > Cheers > N From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 10:23:02 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:23:02 GMT Subject: OFF: decent Metal bands In-Reply-To: John Swartz's message of Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: John Swartz writes: > > SPINAL TAP!!! > > > > I'm STILL waiting for spinal tap to tour australia - thaaaa royal BASTARDS!! > > > > Gotta say - lick my love pump is a classic METAL tune > > It's in the key of D minor you know - the saddest of all keys... Yeah, that Albinoni guy did a fugue in D minor and that's really sad. ObScure: Which space 1999 episode did this piece feature in and on what maritime legend was it based? FoFP From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 11:26:16 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:26:16 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 9:14:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: > VH is tops. > check out mid 70's us metal band MOXY bobm From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jan 24 12:42:31 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:42:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: >>>check out mid 70's us metal band MOXY They're Canadian, eh? Brad From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 13:15:42 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:15:42 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 1:03:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dahl at AROS.NET writes: > MOXY > > They're Canadian, eh? > yes, but they're still good :-) ok, so they're not US....North American, though lol? bobm From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 13:46:04 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:46:04 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/03 15:03:02 GMT Standard Time, neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM writes: > TS were a fantastic band. Never was lucky enough to see them live, but I > remeber their notorious sowing on The Tube, which still makes me smile. > Happy daze. > Twisted Sister were a blast live. Second only to Slade, (happy daze indeed ;) for the sort of atmosphere the whipped up. A standout for me though was Sammy Hagar in 1982 over here in England. That ROCKED and I'll never forget that gig. Then there's Alice Cooper of course. Gutter Cat. From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 14:02:00 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:02:00 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: just before posting, I checked my collection and my album was missing....... DOH! so I went ahead and sent the post....... shortly thereafter I made a call up to my brother in Ohio.... he has it! and a heated discussion ensued over the ownership.... even still - Casablanca would not be considered a major label, right? certainly not in the same league as say A&M - right Bob? In a message dated 1/23/2003 6:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > It was put out on a local label in > Columbus, Ohio. The vinyl is even hard to find these days. 20 years ago, it > was in every used record store in Ohio.......... > > I don't think that they ever scored a deal w/ the majors.... my copies of both their albums (on vinyl) are on Casablanca. bobm From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 14:06:09 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:06:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I was going to mention Montrose, but thought that my post was getting a little long...... I love Montrose and was lucky enough to see them in November 1976 opening for Ted Nugent at Veterans Memorial in Columbus, Ohio......... the Nuge must have been jealous of Ronnie or something because all of the tickets had the line under Ted Nugent marked out w/ a black marker if you moved the ticket in the light, you could see that it said, "special guest Montrose" I still have that ticket stub....... I saw him a again a couple times in the late 1980's w/ his machine gun guitar (the most memorable was in 1988 at the Phantasy Nite Club in Cleveland, Ohio w/ Allan Holdsworth opening ") I have been impressed that he actually responds to email. I own most off all his releases including Gamma. My brother turned me onto Montrose and the first time I heard Space Station #5, I was hooked...... That was right after the record came out... I was 9 years old ") If I had to pick my favorite Ronnie Montrose records..... That would be tough. The first (self-titled) release is a true classic. Paper Money is good, but not quite up to the first. The Bob James era is pretty good. I like Warner Bros Presents better than Jump On It. Open Fire is fantastic! The band Gamma was pretty cool. Their first release is my favorite of the 3. Then I would say Territory would be my favorite of the instrumental stuff. Music From here is also good....... Many folks have no idea that Montrose plays guitar on the classic Edgar Winter release "They Only Come Out At Night" featuring the hits - Frankenstein and Free Ride.... Get On Your Bad Motor Scooter and Ride!! Also, I can't think about Montrose w/o mentioning Rick Derringer. To me he peaked w/ his band called Derringer that put out a self-titled record, another called Sweet Evil, and a great live album...... Sittin By The Pool, D -----Original Message----- From: Robert C. Mayo [mailto:RMayo19761 at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:22:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise guy, you need to get the 1st montrose lp NOW... bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 13:56:34 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:56:34 EST Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 1:51:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > even still - Casablanca would not be considered a major label, right? > > certainly not in the same league as say A&M - right Bob? > > of course not, but it's also a far cry from a 'local release'. so we're both wrong...um, I mean both RIGHT! right? :-) bobm From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 14:00:28 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:00:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Would any of the following bands be considered metal? Kings X Queens of the Stone Age System of A Down Masters of Reality Living Colour Blue Oyster Cult??? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:22:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > > > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White Noise > > Exodus > > Nuclear Assault > > Death Angel > > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > > Corrosion of Conformity > > Slayer - the name says it all!! > > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > > Blue Cheer - early metal > > Bloodrock > > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > > WASP > > Armored Saint > > Ted Nugent > > Primus > > Great White > > Dream Theater > > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > > Soundgarden > > Biohazard > > guy, you need to get the 1st montrose lp NOW... > bobm > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 14:06:28 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:06:28 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/03 18:56:28 GMT Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > If I had to pick my favorite Ronnie Montrose records..... > That would be tough. The first (self-titled) release is a true classic. > Paper > Money is good, but not quite up to the first. The first is an absolute classick. Indispensible. Useless trivia: There was a TV series one time called Man About The House, and I remember when he (Richard O Sullivan) walked in the room carrying a bunch of LPs, Paper Money was on top. Montrose reformed for one song on Sammy Hagar's 'Marching To Mars' CD. The song: 'Leaving The Warmth Of The Womb'. Steve. From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 14:25:16 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:25:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Never been into meeting band members, celebrities etc.... However, I have met a few. The most memorable would be meeting all the members of Iron Maiden on the Beast On The Road tour when they came to Buzzards Nest Records in Columbus, Ohio to sign autographs before the show...... It was also cool to meet the members of UFO on the 1995 American Tour. They were all very very cool. Schenker had his own camper w/ his wife and kids and the rest of the band had their own tour bus. They actually invited me and my friend John into the bus to sign autographs after the public signing and they were crankin Humble Pie's Rockin The Fillmore on the stereo.... Never met the Metallica boys, but I will trust your opinion. My friend Paul Resnik went backstage when Metallica played Richfield Coliseum and told me that they were doing mounds of coke. So that verifies what you say..... When he told me that, it seemed weird knowing the lyrics to Master of Puppets. Maybe, those lyrics are some sort of self-loathing......? I saw them on every tour, up to and including And Justice For All and I thought they were great live. Meeting them may have proven to be a disappointment...... In August of 1997 when Hawkwind played the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, Ron Tree asked me if I had any coke. That REALLY disappointed me!! Total Eclipse D -----Original Message----- From: Dale K. Ford [mailto:Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands I saw that tour, Metallica was only into "who had some coke". I still have my Ride the Lightning LP from the show signed by everyone. They were idiots. I offered to smoke some "hemp" with a band member and he said, "bring some coke to the spaced out bus". I explained to him I wasn't into hard drugs and he told me that..."hemp slows me down, forget it". The show wasn't that good except for Wasp. Email me for pics of Metallica signing things at the record store. Once again...They were idiots. Dale From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 14:21:34 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:21:34 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 1:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > Rick Derringer. To me he > peaked w/ his band called Derringer that put out a self-titled record, > another called Sweet Evil, and a great live album...... Sweet Evil: the great lost 70's-rock record...? bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 24 14:35:10 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:35:10 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:02:00 -0500, DRider wrote: >even still - Casablanca would not be considered a major label, right? > >certainly not in the same league as say A&M - right Bob? Casablanca was financed and distributed by Polydor, so it was definitely a major label. And that would have been at the time when Casablanca artists Kiss, Donna Summer, and the Village People were going multiplatinum with every release (and others, like Parliament, weren't doing too shabbily, either, with their "Mothership" stage setup and all). (I'm not sure when A&M was bought out, but I think it would have been around that time - late 70s.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jan 24 14:52:13 2003 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:52:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: Derringer Message-ID: >>>Sweet Evil: the great lost 70's-rock record...? Yep, I just burned a CD of this and Live from my vinyl. Fun stuff. Brad From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 24 14:57:06 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:57:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: the Godz Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:06:45 EST, Dale K. Ford wrote: >I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind >opening on reel to reel. Hawkwind played Detroit 5 times from 73-75 (they didn't play anywhere in the USA before 1973): Ford Auditorium, 28.11.1973 Michigan Palace, 23.03.1974 Ford Auditorium, 06.09.1974 Theatre, 31.10.1974 Ford Auditorium, 10.05.1975 The first one (Ford Auditorium, November 28, 1973) is the only one known to exist on tape. If your recording is the last one (Ford Auditorium, May 10, 1975), then you have THE HOLY GRAIL of Hawkwind live recordings, as it would be the show right before Lemmy got busted, and the only known recording of Hawkwind performing the 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' set *with* Lemmy (all known recordings are from after he was fired, and feature Paul Rudolph on bass). However, according to this website: http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/index.html ... Zappa played the following Detroit dates during that time: Masonic Auditorium 2.11.1973 & 14.11.1973 (on 28.11.1973, he played Ashland, OH) 2.7.1974 Cobo Hall, w/Peter Frampton (on 23.3.1974, he played Denver, on 06.09.1974, he was in Rome, and on 31.10.1974, he played the New York City Felt Forum) 18.05.1975 Cobo Hall (on 10.05.1975, he played Indianapolis) ... so it seems very unlikely that Hawkwind & Zappa ever performed together in Detroit, since Frank was performing elsewhere on every night that Hawkwind appeared in Detroit. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jan 24 15:24:36 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:24:36 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: Wasn't casablanca Kiss's label? ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Off: the Godz > just before posting, I checked my collection and my album was missing....... > DOH! > so I went ahead and sent the post....... > shortly thereafter I made a call up to my brother in Ohio.... > he has it! > and a heated discussion ensued over the ownership.... > > even still - Casablanca would not be considered a major label, right? > > certainly not in the same league as say A&M - right Bob? > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 6:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM writes: > > > It was put out on a local label in > > Columbus, Ohio. The vinyl is even hard to find these days. 20 years ago, > it > > was in every used record store in Ohio.......... > > > > I don't think that they ever scored a deal w/ the majors.... > > my copies of both their albums (on vinyl) are on Casablanca. > bobm From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 15:35:08 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:35:08 EST Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/03 20:25:24 GMT Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > > > Wasn't casablanca Kiss's label? > Aye. The Godz were on RCA if I remember rightly. Gonna have to dig some of this stuff out again. Right now most of my vinyl is stuck away in boxes. Alice and Hawkwind being the exceptions. Steve. And Uncle Sam...... From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jan 24 15:44:48 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:44:48 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: I'd check mine, but my vinyl is buried too, except the newer things I've bought and can't play. NO Turntable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Off: the Godz > In a message dated 24/01/03 20:25:24 GMT Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > writes: > > > > > > > > Wasn't casablanca Kiss's label? > > > > Aye. The Godz were on RCA if I remember rightly. Gonna have to dig some of > this stuff out again. Right now most of my vinyl is stuck away in boxes. > > Alice and Hawkwind being the exceptions. > > Steve. > > And Uncle Sam...... From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 24 16:14:53 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:14:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Circle Discography Message-ID: Here's a quick rundown of Circle's discography to hopefully answer some previous questions and give my own opinions on the releases which may differ from others already expressed. For much more in-depth info go to http://www.aural-innovations.com, and there's bound to be further differing opinions here as well, so post 'em if you got 'em. The main and only continuous member is Jussi Lehtisalo, who also leads Ektroverde and Pharoah Overlord as well as running the Ektro label. I believe he did most of the vocals prior to Prospekt, and they are very different from M Ratto's current style (more below). Circle's main mode is repetitive, hypnotic, mostly instrumental pieces, with krautrock being the main influence (also some prog and art-rock) but with lots of other ingredients mixed in at various times and with some albums tending to lean toward a certain genre. So while the underlying idea remains more or less constant, each album ends up sounding pretty different from the previous one, as well as usually sounding pretty much unlike any other bands in whatever genre they are approximating this time round. Kollekt (compilation of material from 91-94, released in 98) A compilation of their earliest singles, EPs, and some alternate takes of tracks from their 1st full-length (Meronia). The earlier pieces have a metal and slightly punk sound to them, and some of the songs have an experimental edge too. Heavy riffing guitars and rock percussion provide the momentum - half the tracks have vocals which are like Gregorian chanting but in Meronian (made-up language) or maybe Finnish - they are embedded in the mix, not on top of it. Slightly rough but the elements are all in place and you can hear where they'll be going - once you have the other discs you'll want this. Meronia (94) The overall sound here is similar to the earlier material but a bit more restrained and much more 'produced' - the main instrument here is still guitars, with most of the tracks based around a riff that may change slightly during the song, but now there is a denser, more constructed sound, with added keyboards, synths and occasionally violin. Vocals appear on most of the tracks and are again Meronian chanting buried in the mix and so sounding like another instrument. I think this one sounds a bit like a harder-edged Loop or a less-mechanical Godflesh with the occasional prog or experimental touch. An excellent album and recommended if you're not allergic to a slight industrial tinge to your music. Zopalki (96) Very varied in its approach but holds together perfectly, I consider this to be their most overtly kraut album. Some of the tracks have the more industrial guitar-riff sound of Meronia, some are more melodic and have a lighter feel, with the repetition supplied by picked guitar patterns that have an echoed acoustic sound, some are again experimental, some have an ambient-ish feel, synths are a bit more prominent this time around, there is even something like a song on here, co-written by M Ratto, maybe his first appearance in the Circle universe. Vocals are still Meronian chants in the mix. I rate this as the band's first masterpiece. Surface (live 96, released in 98) split CD with Marble Sheep - Marble Zone 2 A great live set with very good sound, including material from the 1st 2 full-lengths, 2 tracks that would appear on the next release, and 2 that are unique to this release. Very slight quibble being that although the energy and drive are clearly here you might miss some of the subtlety and complexity present in the studio versions. But then thats probably true of many if not most live albums. And it also has some great Marble Sheep pieces including an 18 minute demo track that is one of my favorite bits of completely stoned blanga from those guys. Hissi (96) A big departure from the arc of their previous work, here most of the repetition is provided by synths and drums as the main instruments. There are almost no riffs and much less guitar overall. Also, up until now the percussion has been fairly rock-ish; for the first time now several tracks are using odd jazzy off-kilter rhythms. No real vocals though occasionally voices are used as an effect. Some of this material has similarities to some of the ambient / experimental work that was being produced as the side-projects of many industrial acts in the early 90s, and occasionally some of the rhythmic synth repetition puts it into sort of trance territory. It has a more 'open' sound than previously. There is 1 more rock-ish piece on here that could have been called "Hash Cake 96". Fraten (97) Again almost no guitar riffs. The repetitive hypnotism is this time almost entirely provided by the rhythm section. This album has an even more 'open' feel than Hissi, much more so when compared to the wall of sound on the earlier albums, and is pretty mellow overall. All the other instruments provide licks and accents over the top. Almost all instrumentals but there are wordless vocals on some tracks. Most of this sounds kind of like 'typical' post-rock. The more jazzy and off-kilter rhythms now predominate. Not my favorite album though some tracks do stand out. Pori (98) Another album with a very varied approach that holds together perfectly. The riff-o-rama is back on a few pieces, some tracks are dense, some more open, there are some ambient sound construction bits that include opera singers (which I believe were recorded inside a church), some of the rhythms are like the older rock approach and some are like those used on Fraten, with some odd time signatures. In effect, various tracks sound like they would fit right in on various previous albums, but they all work together very well here. There are a few tracks with vocals in the Meronian chanting style. I rate this as their second masterpiece. Andexelt (99) Many of the tracks have a sound a bit like Fraten but often much more aggressive and with somewhat denser sound. The jazzy rhythms have completely taken over, seemingly to stay. But heavy guitar riffs occassionally appear to great effect, as on the opening and closing tracks, though other tracks have no guitar at all but rather ambient-ish synths and keyboards over the percussion. Almost no vocals anywhere. I've seen it described as King Crimson meets krautrock. Prospekt (00) A heavy dense layered sound that hearkens back to Meronia, but is much more organic. The rhythms are still non-straightforward but you don't notice them as much with everything else that is going on. Vocals now by M Ratto, probably for the 1st time, on half the tracks, but used sparingly, and only really noticeable on the opener. I hear this as being the most space-rock of all their albums and its probably my favorite. The third masterpiece. Taantumus (01) Another one collecting tracks with widely varied sound and approach, and the first album that sounds to me a bit more like a collection of individual pieces and less like a monolithic unit. Vocals are a bit more prominent and Ratto is doing most of them, though if you listen to the vox on the 1st track, they sound very much like the Meronian chanting that was pretty much the style of all the pre-Prospekt vocals. Another excellent album, I would have rated it the fourth masterpiece if it were a tiny bit more cohesive. Raunio (01) Live in 2001, mostly good sound and great performance, with the odd noisiness on one long track that is kind of jarring and doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the set. Whats noticeable here is the return of more rock-ish beats on some new material, and now Ratto is doing vocals on most of the tracks. This should be easy to find because its been reissued by the Squealer label. Sunrise (02) All their previous releases have been very 'serious', this is the first one that could be considered to be sort of 'fun'. Ratto sings on most of the tracks, many of which are structured more like songs than anything previously, and there are more vocals here than on any 3 previous discs. Theres a strong Judas Priest ca 79 flavor to some of the riffs and vocals, especially in the lead-off track, but then about 2/3 of the way thru that track it suddenly goes all "Hall of the Mountain Grill" (the HW album) with layers of synths and effected guitars over the riffs. The metal stuff is interspersed with acoustic numbers, one of which is a quirky little piece that sounds like it came from Ratto's other band Moon Fog Prophet, the rest of which are more long hypnotic pieces, the album closer "Lokki" being practically "Opa-Loka 2002". Not a bad place to start but not likely to give you an accurate picture of their previous output. Alotus (03), according to PsychotropicZone (thanks Miikka), though not yet out, was apparently recorded before Sunrise and has more of the older serious style. I look forward to hearing it. In retrospect, probably the most consistently great group of the 90's, and probably my favorite band of that decade. And they show no signs of burning out or slowing down or wimping out. Stephan From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 17:16:19 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:16:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: OK, to clarify this: The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film and video footage. Regards, Colin Business Manager - Hawkwind ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > Hi > > I think when he refers to reel to reel footage he is meaning tape, though I > am also curious as to the band's position on film & video footage? > > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Raymond" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:10 PM > Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > Sorry, wanted to repost this under the HW instead of off. > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Chris Raymond > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:44 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz > > > > > > Everyone would be extremely interested in the Detroit Hawkwind gig. But I > > guess the trading ban extends to rare never before seen film of the band > as > > well. Maybe someone from the Hawkwind organization will see this post and > > contact you about an official release of the footage. > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Dale K. Ford > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:07 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: OFF: the Godz > > > > > > I have some reel to reel shows of the Godz opening for The Fred Sonic > Smith > > band from Ann Arbor. I will transfer these soon to CD. > > > > I also have a Frank Zappa show from around 72-75 from Detroit with Hawkind > > opening on reel to reel. > > > > Is there any interest of these shows from this group? > > > > Zappa fan > > > > > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 17:22:25 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:22:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands In-Reply-To: <003401c2c38b$7d51d2a0$ce50a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I remember them! My grandmother used to send me the models. Dash 9s are pretty good, but the old ones are always best from an Enthusiasts point of view. :) On Friday 24 Jan 2003 9:32 am, you wrote: > I prefer Burlington Northern myself. Now BNSanta Fe. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > > > What about those Union Pacific Railroads? that was top notch US Metal > > imo, > > can > > > someone tell me about those or is this off on a tangent too far? > > > > On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:59 am, you wrote: > > > I have to say that after 1990, I began to really question Metallica. > > When I > > > > started seeing them on the covers of teeny bopper mags and "Enter > > Sandman" > > > > was played to death, it was the beginning of the end of my liking them. > > The > > > > mellow songs on the black album are pretty good, but there were no > > > heavy tunes at all. Wherever I May Room was the only good rocker. Never > > > bought it. Then they covered Bob Segar's "Turn The Page"-- YUCK!! > > > Growing up in central Ohio, I grew to hate Bob Segar. That clinched it > > for > > > > me.... Then they pulled the "We're artists" thang and went after > > Napster. > > > > Some of you may remember my BOC-L response to that by posting the > > article > > > > w/ "Metallica Sucks" as the subject. > > > > > > I saw them in February 1984 in Detroit w/ Armored Saint and WASP > > opening. > > > > That was killer. I maintain that from their earliest daze until the > > black > > > > album, they were a GREAT metal band. But no longer. > > > > > > And now to your question about decent U.S. metal bands...... > > > > > > First: what is heavy metal music? > > > > > > Lemmy has been quoted as saying Motorhead's music is the natural > > > progression of Eddie Cochran - an American. > > > > > > The core of most hard rock and heavy metal is The BLUES - an American > > music > > > > form. > > > > > > Was Jimi Hendrix heavy metal? > > > > > > Some may say no, while others may say yes. One thing is for sure, any > > heavy > > > > metal or hard rock guitarist that's worth a crap cites Hendrix as a > > major > > > > influence. Hendrix was an American! > > > > > > Calling Ratt heavy metal, as you did before is a fucking joke! > > > > > > They sucked as a band, let alone as a heavy metal group. > > > > > > Motley Crue - not the greatest bunch of musicians either. Yeah, they > > have a > > > > couple decent tunes on Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil. I dig > > the > > > > tune Dr. Feelgood. Tommy is a pretty good drummer, but they were better > > at > > > > partying than anything else. I just don't see them as a serious group > > > of musicians and not worthy. > > > > > > Kiss - come on dude! Yeah, they are not the best bunch of musicians, > > > but once again - are they truly heavy metal?? Their outfits are heavy > > > metal. Their stage show is heavy metal. But their songs are simplistic > > > 3 chord riffs. They may be responsible for many folks becoming metal > > > heads - > > fans > > > > and musicians alike. The song Parasite was thrash for 1975. Creatures > > > of the Night is a great record and so is Kiss Alive. They even went > > > prog on the Elder. They also put on one of the best shows of anybody > > > out there. Period. I guess they might be my guilty pleasure. Who > > > cares?! > > > > > > What about Alice Cooper?? Was his original band heavy metal? Killer is > > dark > > > > and full of guitar crunch. So is School's Out. I Love The Dead - now, > > > there's a heavy metal topic for ya. Billion Dollar Babies - they even > > > rip-off Hendrix on one of the tunes on that record. See if you can > > figure > > > > out which one..... Find some old video from the early 1970's and watch > > Glen > > > > Buxton and Michael Bruce shred! > > > Then Welcome to my Nightmare - Cold Ethyl - another heavy metal topic. > > > Alice Cooper Goes To Hell - simply kickass! After the Coop went through > > the > > > > new wave phase in the early 1980's, he went full-on metal w/ the > > > release > > of > > > > Constrictor. His stage show is pure heavy metal! > > > > > > But this does not even get into the realm of what many would consider > > U.S. > > > > Metal. > > > > > > What about Ministry? > > > > > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in > > > Cleveland, Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have > > > EVER > > witnessed. > > > > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! > > That's > > > > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > > > > > The Mind Truly IS A Terrible Thing To Taste. But I need Just One Fix!! > > > > > > Have you ever heard the release by Cleveland's own Destructor: Maximum > > > Destruction?? > > > > > > My friends Pat Rabid and Dave Overkill had a kickass metal band!! If > > some > > > > fuck would not have stabbed their bassist to death on New Years Eve > > > 1987 > > at > > > > their very own practice spot, they would have been huge. They never > > could > > > > find a good bassist and only did a handful of gigs w/ a new bassist > > before > > > > they called a quits. > > > A total shame really :( > > > Still, we had fun w/ their punk band later and some list members know > > > of their collaboration w/ Paul Resnik in Spacecore, who opened for > > > Hawkwind > > at > > > > the Empire. > > > > > > If you are a true metal fan and you don't have Maximum Destruction in > > your > > > > collection, you better hit the streets! > > > > > > Then theirs the metal seen that erupted in Tampa, Florida. The most > > notable > > > > band being Savatage. Power of The Night, Sirens and The Hall of The > > > Mountain King are quintessential metal albums. Unfortunately, the > > > tragic death of their guitarist in a car accident proved to be > > > something they > > just > > > > could not rebound from..... > > > > > > Sure.... Ozzy is not an American by birth, but his first band was an > > > American band. Tommy Aldridge on drums - awesome and Randy Rhodes. Tell > > me > > > > he was not a great American metal guitarist! > > > > > > There was another California band called Warlord that was also great. > > > > > > In 1978 Hell Razor was formed in Ottawa, Canada. The band consisted of > > John > > > > Ricci (guitars), Dan Beehler (drums) and Allan Johnson (bass). In 1980, > > > they changed their name to Exciter and recorded a demo. This demo was > > sent > > > > to Mike Varney of Shrapnel Records, who included one song from it, > > "World > > > > War III", on the compilation album US Metal Volume II in 1982. Shortly > > > after that Exciter was signed to Shrapel Records and in 1983 they > > released > > > > their debut LP, Heavy Metal Maniac. Later that year signed a > > 3-record-deal > > > > with John Zazula's Mega Force Records and 1984 they released their > > second > > > > album, Violence & Force. This album was recorded in New York and > > produced > > > > by Carl Canedy (The Rods - another good metal band). > > > > > > So Exciter might not be a U.S. Metal band per se. But they buttered > > their > > > > bread right here and released records on U.S. metal record labels that > > > started the resurgence of metal across the globe. Exciter is STILL > > > going > > to > > > > this day! Long Live The Loud!!! > > > > > > There were plenty of other U.S. metal bands represented on the Shrapnel > > and > > > > Megaforce labels. > > > > > > Then there's the bands mentioned earlier..... > > > > > > Megadeth - Rust In Peace - killer > > > Anthrax - Fistful of Metal, Spreading The Disease, The Sound of White > > Noise > > > > Exodus > > > Nuclear Assault > > > Death Angel > > > Manowar - first release, Sign of the Hammer, Into Glory Ride > > > Corrosion of Conformity > > > Slayer - the name says it all!! > > > Queensryche - Operation Mind Crime - a masterpiece! > > > Alice in Chains - fuck grunge - these guys were metal > > > Blue Cheer - early metal > > > Bloodrock > > > Trouble - their first 3 releases were great! > > > Monster Magnet - yeah, they ARE metal! > > > WASP > > > Armored Saint > > > Ted Nugent > > > Primus > > > Great White > > > Dream Theater > > > Riot - Fire Down Under!! > > > Guns & Roses - despise them, but many disagree > > > Soundgarden > > > Biohazard > > > > > > How many guys in Halford's band are Americans? > > > > > > Come on man..... > > > > > > Let's get..... > > > > > > INTO THE PIT!!! > > > > > > Dragon Rider > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Original Message----- > > > From: Ben Fagin [mailto:vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: OFF: Other bands > > > > > > > > > Can you name any decent US Metal bands? > > > > > > I think Metallica are the only one really, we met them in 1984 at > > Shades, > > > > (Metal shop in soho, London W1) remember that? Anyway, I thought they > > were > > > > a > > > bunch of c***ts apart from Cliff Burton who was terrific, RIP. From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 17:47:33 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:47:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Confession (Not Guilty) US Metal Bands Message-ID: I went to the Motorhead / Hawkwind / Anthrax show last year at Wembley (with mates) and Anthrax were totally awesome! That Dan bloke has a truly amazing voice, I enjoyed it so much and he's hilarious. It's funny how you forget things! :) From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 18:07:31 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:07:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: blah blah blah! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > OK, to clarify this: > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film and > video footage. > > Regards, > > Colin > Business Manager - Hawkwind From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 18:09:50 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:09:50 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: Kiss and a band called Angel I liked Angel's first 2 releases quite alot.... > In a message dated 24/01/03 20:25:24 GMT Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > writes: > > Wasn't casablanca Kiss's label? > > > > Aye. The Godz were on RCA if I remember rightly. Gonna have to dig some of > this stuff out again. Right now most of my vinyl is stuck away in boxes. > > Alice and Hawkwind being the exceptions. > > Steve. > > And Uncle Sam...... > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 18:01:25 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:01:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: A useful response! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > blah blah blah! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > OK, to clarify this: > > > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film and > > video footage. > > > > Regards, > > > > Colin > > Business Manager - Hawkwind > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 18:26:58 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:26:58 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: Polydor's parent company was actually Polygram - right? Was Casablanca - Bill Aucoin's (sp?) label? Casablanca did go belly up though, correct? Financed and distributed..... I am not a business guy.... But doesn't that mean Casablanca was a small independent label that got backed by the major label (Polygram).......? This would have been because Polygram knew Casablanca had a money making band on their hands, right? Mercury was/is a subsidiary of Polygram. I am sure of that. Isn't there a difference between an independent label being backed by a major and a major having subsidiaries? I know that Kiss went from Casablanca to Mercury when Creatures Of The Night came out..... Same label basically?? IMHO, Mercury were some of the worst pressed records ever! Lot's of surface noise. I was so happy when Lovedrive and Animal Magnetism came out on CD to finally get a clean sounding recording. Polydor was better than Mercury when it came to pressing. If I remember right, the old Mahogany Rush records are Polydor. My Mahogany Rush Live is definitely 200 grams or more of thick vinyl.... Peace, D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Off: the Godz > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:02:00 -0500, DRider wrote: > >even still - Casablanca would not be considered a major label, right? > > > >certainly not in the same league as say A&M - right Bob? > > Casablanca was financed and distributed by Polydor, so it was definitely a > major label. And that would have been at the time when Casablanca artists > Kiss, Donna Summer, and the Village People were going multiplatinum with > every release (and others, like Parliament, weren't doing too shabbily, > either, with their "Mothership" stage setup and all). (I'm not sure when > A&M was bought out, but I think it would have been around that time - late > 70s.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 18:32:13 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:32:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Some more than others.....but yeah! Queens of The Stone Age are taping friendly and I will be seeing/taping them right here in lovely Jacksonville, FL Tour dates to follow ") System of A Down - definitely the heaviest and freakiest of the bunch. I have a show of theirs from the Ozzfest tour. Ironically, the 2 songs that have gotten the most air ply Chop Suey and Aerials are the best 2 songs they did....... (IMHO) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > Would any of the following bands be considered metal? > Kings X > Queens of the Stone Age > System of A Down > Masters of Reality > Living Colour > Blue Oyster Cult??? > > Mark From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 18:48:58 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:48:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Twisted Sister - This is worse and it's only the second verse! TW was definitely better than Ratt and Motley Crue and any of the other bands that wore women's makeup from that time period....... Loved the tune - Burn In Hell TW should be credited for breaking through in the video realm. "What's that? A Twisted Sister pledge pin?!" Quiet Riot - w/ Randy Rhoads - yeah Quiet Riot w/o Randy Rhoads - no way! Funny, both of these bands opened for Maiden. I was in the 12th row for the Piece of Mind show w/ QR opening. I booed them big time. Probably the ONLY band that I have EVER booed. Later in the night Nicko rewarded me by throwing his drumsticks in my direction. I was lucky enough to catch one. If I saw that wig wearing Kevin Dubrow today, I would let him Cum On And Feel The Noise of me beating him in the head w/ that very same drumstick..... Not sure whose voice grates on me worse - Kevin Dubrow or Axel Rose D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > In a message dated 24/01/03 15:03:02 GMT Standard Time, > neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM writes: > > > > TS were a fantastic band. Never was lucky enough to see them live, but I > > remeber their notorious sowing on The Tube, which still makes me smile. > > Happy daze. > > > > Twisted Sister were a blast live. Second only to Slade, (happy daze indeed > ;) for the sort of atmosphere the whipped up. > > A standout for me though was Sammy Hagar in 1982 over here in England. That > ROCKED and I'll never forget that gig. > > Then there's Alice Cooper of course. > > Gutter Cat. > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 24 18:41:26 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:41:26 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:26:58 -0500, DRider wrote: >Polydor's parent company was actually Polygram - right? Other way around ... Polydor was the parent company, and Polygram, Mercury, Casablanca, and Phillips were among its labels (I can't remember now, but it's now part of either BMG or Universal, BMG I think). I think, though, that European releases were on the Polydor label. >Was Casablanca - Bill Aucoin's (sp?) label? Neil Bogart's. The man who gave us the 1910 Fruitgum Company and other bubblegum hits on Buddah (and also put out Captain Beefheart and Flamin' Groovies albums on the label, so he's A-OK by me!). >Casablanca did go belly up though, correct? Yes, although nose-up might be a better description ;^). >Financed and distributed..... I am not a business guy.... > >But doesn't that mean Casablanca was a small independent label that got >backed by the major label (Polygram).......? No, it was more of a major-financed "vanity" label, sort of like Dave Geffen's DGC or Madonna's Maverick. Not like current labels such as Sub Pop and Matador which DID start as independents (as A&M previously did), but are now (mostly) major-owned/distributed. >This would have been because Polygram knew Casablanca had a money making >band on their hands, right? AFAIK the seed money Casablanca came from Polydor, so it was financed entirely by the major label. From what I've read, the Europeans who ran Polydor didn't have a clue about the music biz at the time (just look at how many hit bands were on Mercury in the mid-70's, before Rush & the Scorpions got big) and were desperate to increase their market share. So they gave a ton of money to a guy with a proven track record (Bogart), and didn't pay enough attention to where their money went. But I don't think that the Polydor executives had any inkling that Kiss (or Donna Summer) was going to be huge, they just knew that Bogart was a successful record industry guy. >Mercury was/is a subsidiary of Polygram. I am sure of that. Isn't there a >difference between an independent label being backed by a major and a major >having subsidiaries? It depends on your definition of "independent". I take a pretty strict definition, where a label needs to be independently financed, manufactured AND distributed. Under a looser definition, a partially-major-owned, major- m&d'ed label could be considered "independent" (although not by me). But with Casablanca, all three came from Polydor, so the only way it was "independent" is that Polydor didn't interfere with Bogart's management of the label (until it was too late). If you consider *that* to be independent, you might as well call early-1970s Columbia an "independent" label, since Irving Azoff (or was that David Geffen? now it's all getting fuzzy) was able to run it without corporate interference. >I know that Kiss went from Casablanca to Mercury when Creatures Of The >Night came out..... > >Same label basically?? Yep, just one division of Polydor to another, and yes, that would have been right around the time that Casablanca went up to the great coke-mirror in the sky. Sadly, Neil Bogart died of cancer shortly after that, a broke and broken failure who had been on top of the world only five years previously. But you already knew that cocaine can be a bad thing ;^) ... While we're on the subject of Casablanca, I'll just add that I've been immensely enjoying my recent purchase of the Parliament '12" collection' album ... some pretty intensely repetitive synth grooves on some of those ... -Doug (whew! enough record label history for one day!) jasret at mindspring.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Jan 24 18:44:17 2003 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:44:17 -0600 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: Wasn't Quiet Riot a Slade cover band anyway? From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 19:14:27 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:14:27 -0500 Subject: QOTSA Tour Dates Message-ID: Here are Queens Of The Stone Age's tour dates: Jan. 10: Fukuoka, Japan (Crossing Hall) Jan. 11: Osaka, Japan (On Air Osaka) Jan. 13: Nagoya, Japan (Club Quattro) Jan. 14: Tokyo (Akasaka Blitz) Jan. 17: Auckland (Ericcson Stadium) Jan. 19: Gold Coast, Australia (Parklands) Jan. 24: Sydney (Enmore Theatre) Jan. 25: Sydney (Olympic Park Showgrounds) Jan. 27: Melbourne (Royal Melbourne Showgrounds) Jan. 31: Adelaide, Australia (RA&HS Showgrounds) Feb. 2: Perth, Australia (Claremont Showgrounds) Feb. 22: Las Vegas (the Joint) Feb. 23: Pomona, Calif. (Glass House) Feb. 25: Anaheim, Calif. (the Grove) Feb. 26: Ventura, Calif. (Ventura Theatre) Feb. 28: La Jolla, Calif. (RIMAC Arena) March 1: Tucson, Ariz. (Rialto) March 2: Tempe, Ariz. (Nita's Hideaway) March 4: El Paso, Texas (XCape) March 5: Albuquerque, N.M. (Sunshine Theatre) March 6: Lubbock, Texas (West Texas Canyon Amphitheatre) March 8: Oklahoma City, Okla. (Diamond Ballroom) March 9: Tulsa, Okla. (Cain's Ballroom) March 10: Fort Worth, Texas (Ridglea Theatre) March 11: San Antonio, Texas (Sunset Station) March 13: New Orleans (House of Blues) March 14: Memphis (New Daisy Theatre) March 17: Jacksonville, Fla. (Marquee Theatre) March 18: Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (Culture Room) March 19: Tampa, Fla. (Twilight) March 21: Orlando, Fla. (Hard Rock Live) March 22: Myrtle Beach, S.C. (House of Blues) March 23: Raleigh, N.C. (Lincoln Theatre) March 24: Norfolk, Va. (NorVa) I'll be hiting the Jacksonville, FL show. Get out and record this kickass TAPING FRIENDLY band!! Peace, D From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 19:40:04 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:40:04 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/03 23:45:40 GMT Standard Time, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > Wasn't Quiet Riot a Slade cover band anyway? > Yup! No one could equal Slade live. They blew Reading apart in '80 (I think) then there was Donnington, (Oops, they did it again) amd then the tour. By the way.........anyone know what's happening with the Destruction Of The Death Generator album? Steve. Life? Don't talk to me about life! From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Fri Jan 24 20:37:36 2003 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:37:36 -0700 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: I like Frank Zappa song "Punky's Whips". :-) Guido DRider wrote: >Kiss and a band called Angel >I liked Angel's first 2 releases quite alot.... > > > >>In a message dated 24/01/03 20:25:24 GMT Standard Time, >> >> >lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET > > >>writes: >> >> >>>Wasn't casablanca Kiss's label? >>> >>> >>> >>Aye. The Godz were on RCA if I remember rightly. Gonna have to dig some >> >> >of > > >>this stuff out again. Right now most of my vinyl is stuck away in boxes. >> >>Alice and Hawkwind being the exceptions. >> >>Steve. >> >>And Uncle Sam...... >> >> >> > > > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 21:57:41 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:57:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Confession (Not Guilty) US Metal Bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > Anthrax were totally awesome! That Dan bloke has a truly > amazing > voice, the singer's name is john bush... bobm the stickler From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 24 22:08:56 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:08:56 -0500 Subject: Off: the Godz Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 3:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: > The Godz were on RCA if I remember rightly. Gonna have to > dig some of > this stuff out again. once again, i have to point out that the Godz (at least the godz that we've been discussing) were on Casablanca. bobm From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Jan 24 23:28:42 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:28:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com The January 2003 issue (#22) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers SpaceRock, Psychedelia, Electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of Jazz and Progressive rock. See the index of this issue's contents below. 2003 begins our SIXTH year of publication!!! The January 2003 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Staff picks for Best of 2003 Church Of Hed Matt Borghi Charles Rice Goff III Gas Giant / Colourhaze Belgium-German Tour Diary, October 2002 Composer meets Director: The making of King Black Acid's "Soul Systems Burn" video Live show coverage Recent Releases from Camera Obscura Recent Releases from September Gurls Recent Releases from Meteor City Releases from Oggum Records Recent Releases from Orphan Sounds Recent Releases from Haltapes Recent Releases from InstrumenTales Recent Releases from Best Kept Secret Recent Releases from Koch Records Releases from Spinner Ace Records Releases from Unauthorized Medicine Records/Owl Head Man Music Releases from Akarma Recent Releases from Magna Carta And a loads and loads of reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue22/issue22.html Don't forget to check out Aural Innovations Radio for the best sounds on the planet and the Aural Innovations CD mail order catalog for some of the best space rock and psychedelia that you've never heard. All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 00:32:30 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:02:30 +1030 Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: I remember Twisted SISTA. We're not gonna take it. Either did I. Fuggin smelly old cunt dressed up like a poofy clown. RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: OFF: decent US Metal bands > No-ones mentioned Twisted Fuckin Sista or Quiet Riot yet? > > These are blinding bands. Top Banana! We used to see them in the 80s as well. > Nobody would mess wid Dee Snider! > > On Friday 24 Jan 2003 8:37 am, you wrote: > > Dragon Rider writes : > > What about Ministry? > > > > I saw them live on January 5, 1990 at the Phantasy Theater in Cleveland, > > Ohio. The most brutal onslaught of guitars and drums I have EVER witnessed. > > They could chew up many bands all over the world and spit them out!! That's > > metal, right? Lookout for their upcoming relaes and subsequent tour!! > > > > I second that opinion of live Ministry. Saw them at Brixton 1991(2?) and > > they were armageddon with guitars ! > > I had to pay a tout (as the show was sold out) 40 quid for the ticket, and > > have never regretted it. (Well, regretted not getting myself sorted sooner > > & paying standard price, but you know what I mean....) > > They had a *lot* of strobes & I seem to remeber a rather disturbing slide > > show.... > > > > Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ding-dong ! :o) > > > > Cheers > > Neil. > > > > PS I got in the pit > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 00:35:04 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:05:04 +1030 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > OK, to clarify this: > > > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film and > > video footage. > > > > Regards, > > > > Colin > > Business Manager - Hawkwind > No problem. From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Jan 24 18:06:57 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:06:57 -0000 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: Guess!!!!!!!!!!!! Andy G (CD Services) agcdser at aol.com or deadearnest at btopenworld.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > Association). > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > So how do we get this item? > > Mike From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 05:34:30 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:34:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage In-Reply-To: <00ae01c2c3fc$859f9c00$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I hope you (Hawkwind Management) get out there and Snatch the footage for Official release. Maybe that will pave the way to liberating the exellent Taste videos that very few have seen. If you have any trouble with Thacker I'll go round there with a Cricket bat like I used to in School :) On Friday 24 Jan 2003 11:01 pm, you wrote: > A useful response! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DRider" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > blah blah blah! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > > OK, to clarify this: > > > > > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film > > > and video footage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Colin > > > Business Manager - Hawkwind From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 05:41:25 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:11:25 +1030 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > > > > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > > Association). > > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and > Dark Sun. > > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > > > So how do we get this item? > > > > Mike > For the answer to your question you must first bring us a......................... SHRUBBERY!!!!! With a little white picket fence - not to expensive...... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 05:54:51 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:24:51 +1030 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: Maybe the next Summer camp could be filmed - focusing primarily on Hawkwind if the entire event is too much to cope with. Just something I thought about while I was watching the Huw Lloyd Langton dvd. Which, btw, I enjoyed very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > I hope you (Hawkwind Management) get out there and Snatch the footage for > Official release. Maybe that will pave the way to liberating the exellent > Taste videos that very few have seen. If you have any trouble with Thacker > I'll go round there with a Cricket bat like I used to in School :) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 06:07:52 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:37:52 +1030 Subject: albums I've bought and now wonder - why da f**k did I buy that!?! Message-ID: Album ~ Prince - Purple rain - Why? ~ F***ed if I can think of a decent excuse ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 06:26:09 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:26:09 +0000 Subject: albums I've bought and now wonder - why da f**k did I buy that!?! In-Reply-To: <002801c2c462$01f46c30$f7cb223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: Oh, Ho ho! Ere we go! Tears for Fears Jermaine Dupri er, for study purposes? No? um Sonick Attack? still not good enough? Ok, I really bought dem cuz when da man smoke da weed tis just too good, dey dont like me cuz I'm *too* good. (Prince Nazeem c. 1995). On Saturday 25 Jan 2003 11:07 am, you wrote: > Album ~ Prince - Purple rain - > Why? ~ F***ed if I can think of a decent excuse > > > ----------------------------------- > Cpt Blue Skin > http://www.alien-dream.com > (Alien Dream) From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jan 25 08:05:32 2003 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:05:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! Message-ID: As Jerry has broached the subject I should just mention that Aural Innovations has a review of my album at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue22/tombyrne.html A taster track for my forthcoming second album "The Eye of the Cyclone" is available for play or download at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/3024/3024008.html Its working title is "ByrneBlanga". Have a listen and let me know your views (but be gentle, I have a fragile ego which I have to feed regularly). Cpt Blue Skin - when's Alien Dream III out? Regards Tom > > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:28:42 -0500 > From: Jerry Kranitz > Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! > > http://Aural-Innovations.com > From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 10:23:14 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:23:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Circle Discography In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20030124211453.0073ace8@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: --- Stephan Forstner wrote: > Here's a quick rundown of Circle's discography to > hopefully answer some > previous questions Thanks for all that Stephan. They sound great. I've been trying to find a clip/sample somewhere but no joy. No tracks listed in Aural Innovations radio shows either. I don't fancy buying unless I can hear a bit first. Can you point me to somewhere I can download a quick taster? Cheers AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From roger2002 at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 12:40:00 2003 From: roger2002 at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:40:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Rescheduled Birmingham gig? Message-ID: Hi - does anybody know anything about the rescheduled dates yet? Thanks, Roger. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 15:09:40 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:09:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: Hi Michael, Thanks:). Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:35 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > > > > OK, to clarify this: > > > > > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film and > > > video footage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Colin > > > Business Manager - Hawkwind > > > > No problem. > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 15:18:24 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:18:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: LOL. Hopefully that will not prove necessary:). Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > I hope you (Hawkwind Management) get out there and Snatch the footage for > Official release. Maybe that will pave the way to liberating the exellent > Taste videos that very few have seen. If you have any trouble with Thacker > I'll go round there with a Cricket bat like I used to in School :) > > > > On Friday 24 Jan 2003 11:01 pm, you wrote: > > A useful response! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DRider" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:07 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > > blah blah blah! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > > > > OK, to clarify this: > > > > > > > > The request not to record or trade Hawkwind gigs does extend to film > > > > and video footage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > Business Manager - Hawkwind > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 15:19:43 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:19:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: It will be:). Thanks for the comment on the HLL DVD; thankfully, my camera technique has moved on somewhat since then! Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > Maybe the next Summer camp could be filmed - focusing primarily on Hawkwind > if the entire event is too much to cope with. > Just something I thought about while I was watching the Huw Lloyd Langton > dvd. Which, btw, I enjoyed very much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > I hope you (Hawkwind Management) get out there and Snatch the footage for > > Official release. Maybe that will pave the way to liberating the exellent > > Taste videos that very few have seen. If you have any trouble with Thacker > > I'll go round there with a Cricket bat like I used to in School :) > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 15:21:04 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:21:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Rescheduled Birmingham gig? Message-ID: There will be new dates announced very soon. All existing tickets will be honoured for the new Bristol and Birmingham dates. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Elmer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: HW: Rescheduled Birmingham gig? Hi - does anybody know anything about the rescheduled dates yet? Thanks, Roger. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 15:21:36 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:21:36 -0000 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: How much then? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r Guess!!!!!!!!!!!! Andy G (CD Services) agcdser at aol.com or deadearnest at btopenworld.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > Association). > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > So how do we get this item? > > Mike From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Jan 25 16:21:14 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:21:14 -0000 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: With a bit of luck and a fair wind, around ?9 although Mikka is still due to send them as I learn tonite - seems payment is a problem but we'll get round that. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r How much then? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r Guess!!!!!!!!!!!! Andy G (CD Services) agcdser at aol.com or deadearnest at btopenworld.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > Association). > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > So how do we get this item? > > Mike From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 16:20:14 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:20:14 +0000 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r In-Reply-To: <001901c2c4b7$b1cc2300$7f587ad5@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Is the Finnish megamix with Dave Brock still available? cheers in advance. On Saturday 25 Jan 2003 9:21 pm, you wrote: > With a bit of luck and a fair wind, around ?9 although Mikka is still due > to send them as I learn tonite - seems payment is a problem but we'll get > round that. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > > > How much then? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Garibaldi" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > > > Guess!!!!!!!!!!!! > Andy G (CD Services) > agcdser at aol.com or deadearnest at btopenworld.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > > > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > > Association). > > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and > > Dark Sun. > > > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > > > So how do we get this item? > > > > Mike From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 25 17:21:59 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:21:59 -0000 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r Message-ID: Could you put me down for a copy as and when they arrive? Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r With a bit of luck and a fair wind, around ?9 although Mikka is still due to send them as I learn tonite - seems payment is a problem but we'll get round that. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r How much then? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r Guess!!!!!!!!!!!! Andy G (CD Services) agcdser at aol.com or deadearnest at btopenworld.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: FinnWind cd-r > Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-r) is now available. > > The spirit of Hawkwind was captured alive at The First Hawkwind Tribute > > -fest in Helsinki arranged by FinnWind (The Official Finnish Hawkwind > > Association). > > The full length album contains live material by the bands Speedo and Dark Sun. > > You?ll get this special item (limited edition!) with a very reasonable > > price: only 6 euros (containing the P&P). > > So how do we get this item? > > Mike From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 21:00:03 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:30:03 +1030 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! Message-ID: Hello Tom! I'm downloading now. Cheers! Actually Alien Dream III is complete. I've just sent out some copies to be reviewed. Theres a couple of full length samples if you want to have a listen - here: http://www.alien-dream.com/html/ad_download_eleven_realms.html I thought I'd also share the review from the gang at Aural Innovations on my 2nd cd. :) http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/aliendr1.html just don't send me an email to those addresses listed :) they were the emails. I got rid of the aol account (blah) and the hotmail one - I must have let it slide to long - couldn't get in. Anyway all cd's now have the updated email address on the artwork.(thisone) Cpt BlueSkin ----- Original Message ----- From: "t.byrne" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! > Cpt Blue Skin - when's Alien Dream III out? > > Regards > > Tom From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 21:09:05 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:39:05 +1030 Subject: HW: Rare Film Footage Message-ID: That would be absolutely wonderful! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > It will be:). > > Thanks for the comment on the HLL DVD; thankfully, my camera technique has > moved on somewhat since then! > > Cheers, > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cpt Blue Skin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > Maybe the next Summer camp could be filmed - focusing primarily on > Hawkwind > > if the entire event is too much to cope with. > > Just something I thought about while I was watching the Huw Lloyd Langton > > dvd. Which, btw, I enjoyed very much. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Fagin" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:04 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Rare Film Footage > > > > > > > I hope you (Hawkwind Management) get out there and Snatch the footage > for > > > Official release. Maybe that will pave the way to liberating the > exellent > > > Taste videos that very few have seen. If you have any trouble with > Thacker > > > I'll go round there with a Cricket bat like I used to in School :) > > > From micci at SCI.FI Sun Jan 26 06:06:05 2003 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:06:05 +0200 Subject: HW: FinnWind cd-r In-Reply-To: <200301241212.MAA02759@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi! At 12:12 24.1.2003 +0000, you wrote: >So how do we get this item? >Mike Sorry! I have been away and just read all these. Go to our page. There is information and address where to send money ( 6? ) or you can wait and buy it from CD services. Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jan 26 06:17:50 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:17:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: I've been logged onto the Newnet IRC channel #hawkwind.org.uk for about 24 hours and no-ones been in. Has anyone logged in over the last 24 hours? Or maybe there's an error my end I'm using Kirc on Linux and it seems to be logging in ok, any ideas? Cheers Ben From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 06:30:47 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:00:47 +1030 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: whats up with the HW irc download? It says error 404 page not found.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: HW: Newnet IRC > I've been logged onto the Newnet IRC channel #hawkwind.org.uk for about 24 > hours and no-ones been in. Has anyone logged in over the last 24 hours? Or > maybe there's an error my end I'm using Kirc on Linux and it seems to be > logging in ok, any ideas? > > Cheers > > Ben > From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jan 26 06:41:02 2003 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:41:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! Message-ID: Hi Michael (Cpt Blue Skin) Eleven Realms of Night samples - Spectacular stuff "Thru the Clouds" reminds me of The Enid - mid 70s Britsh prog band. I wouldn't be surprised if "Enter the Ninth Realm" had taken its inspiration from "Seven by Seven". Do you fancy doing a swap? Regards Tom > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:30:03 +1030 > From: Cpt Blue Skin > Subject: Re: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! > > Hello Tom! > > I'm downloading now. Cheers! > > Actually Alien Dream III is complete. I've just sent out some copies to be > reviewed. Theres a couple of full length samples if you want to have a > listen - here: > http://www.alien-dream.com/html/ad_download_eleven_realms.html > > I thought I'd also share the review from the gang at Aural Innovations on my > 2nd cd. :) > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/aliendr1.html > just don't send me an email to those addresses listed :) they were the > emails. I got rid of the aol account (blah) and the hotmail one - I must > have let it slide to long - couldn't get in. Anyway all cd's now have the > updated email address on the artwork.(thisone) > > Cpt BlueSkin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t.byrne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Aural Innovations January 2003 issue online NOW!!! > > > > Cpt Blue Skin - when's Alien Dream III out? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom > > ------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 06:49:06 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:19:06 +1030 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at all - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > whats up with the HW irc download? It says error 404 page not found.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:47 PM > Subject: HW: Newnet IRC > > > > I've been logged onto the Newnet IRC channel #hawkwind.org.uk for about 24 > > hours and no-ones been in. Has anyone logged in over the last 24 hours? Or > > maybe there's an error my end I'm using Kirc on Linux and it seems to be > > logging in ok, any ideas? > > > > Cheers > > > > Ben > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jan 26 08:30:29 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:30:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Circle Discography Message-ID: >No tracks listed in Aural Innovations radio shows either. Actually I played a track very recently from their upcoming CD on the Klangbad label. It's the first song in the playlist of show #65. There are also several RealAudio and mp3 tracks at the Ektro Records web site. http://www.ektrorecords.com/jukebox.html Y'know, I've been wanting for a while to do a special radio show dedicated to Circle and their related projects. This has inspired me to do so, so look for that sometime in February. Jerry From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 26 09:14:15 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:14:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Circle Discography In-Reply-To: <200301261330.IAA20133@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Apologies Jerry, couldn't see it for looking. Thanks for the link to Ektro - everybody on this list should give dedofiktion a listen for reasons that will become clear when you hear the riff! I'm now looking forward to your Circle Friends & Relations radio show. AL --- Jerry Kranitz wrote: > >No tracks listed in Aural Innovations radio shows > either. > > > Actually I played a track very recently from their > upcoming CD on the > Klangbad label. It's the first song in the playlist > of show #65. > > There are also several RealAudio and mp3 tracks at > the Ektro Records web site. > http://www.ektrorecords.com/jukebox.html > > Y'know, I've been wanting for a while to do a > special radio show dedicated > to Circle and their related projects. This has > inspired me to do so, so look > for that sometime in February. > > Jerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Sun Jan 26 09:17:36 2003 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted Blair) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:17:36 -0000 Subject: OFF:pet names Message-ID: I missed this earlier so apologies for the late input Three cats, one of them called Dusty (Hill of ZZ Top) and one called Marion (named after Huw's missus who I've met on loads of occasions and is always good fun - I wasn't allowed to call any of the cats after anyone in Hawkwind!). Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cpt Blue Skin" Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: OFF:pet names > other pet names of mine were or are > Hawkmoon > Elric > Corum > Jherrek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Shilladay > Subject: OFF:pet names > > > > I have a cat named Kilmister > > (and other cats named Blackmore, Hendrix, Lynott, Zoso, Tyler, Perry) > > I had my eye on two more kittens, one of which was white - they were to be > > Elric & Moonglum :o) > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jan 26 14:18:00 2003 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:18:00 +0000 Subject: HW: film footage Message-ID: Assuming noone else has yet stepped up to bat, I'll happily take on the task of converting the (presumably 8mm cine) film of HW in Detroit onto DVD or similar modern medium. So let me know... ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield 3-Lib, for conversion of VHS or 8mm video material onto DVD General video capturing & DVD authoring knowhow and reviews http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/dvd From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 26 14:27:11 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:27:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <001701c2c530$eebc38d0$11cb223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC : :Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at :all - What errors are you getting? Please email me offlist, so I can give you a hand. thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Jan 26 14:27:01 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:27:01 +0100 Subject: film footage Message-ID: > Assuming noone else has yet stepped up to bat, I'll happily > take on the task of converting the (presumably 8mm cine) > film of HW in Detroit onto DVD or similar modern medium. Um...who said they had film? I thought that the guy said he had reel-to-reel tape....why does that suddenly mean 'film'? Just wondering...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. On Not of this Earth...yeah, no doubt this is Calvert, and that it is the same as on the LiS EP (which I don't have). Nice that I don't need it now though! From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 26 14:28:30 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:28:30 -0600 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <200301261117.50491.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Ben Fagin wrote: :Subject: HW: Newnet IRC : :I've been logged onto the Newnet IRC channel #hawkwind.org.uk for about 24 :hours and no-ones been in. Has anyone logged in over the last 24 hours? Or :maybe there's an error my end I'm using Kirc on Linux and it seems to be :logging in ok, any ideas? I was off doing other things yesterday (sorry!), so i can't tell you.... Try logging in today. I'll be on 'til about 6pm my time, midnight yours. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Jan 26 14:55:31 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:55:31 -0500 Subject: film footage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was I who incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that it was film and then spread my misinformation to the list. Chris Raymond -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Steve Litchfield Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:18 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: film footage Assuming noone else has yet stepped up to bat, I'll happily take on the task of converting the (presumably 8mm cine) film of HW in Detroit onto DVD or similar modern medium. So let me know... ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield 3-Lib, for conversion of VHS or 8mm video material onto DVD General video capturing & DVD authoring knowhow and reviews http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/dvd From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Jan 26 15:32:30 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:32:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin Mini Tour Message-ID: NEW BEDOUIN DATES ANNOUNCED ! Thursday February 20th The Rigger 35 Marsh Parade Newcastle-Under-Lyme TEL: 01782-616602 AS 'ACE OF SPADES' Band onstage (c) 9.30pm ALL DAY GIG - phone for details Tickets ?4.00 Friday February 21st The Rigger 35 Marsh Parade Newcastle-Under-Lyme TEL: 01782-616602 BEDOUIN set Band onstage (c) 9.30pm ALL DAY GIG - phone for details Tickets ?4.00 Friday February 28th Marrs Bar [ 12 Pierpont Street Worcester TEL: 01905-613336 BEDOUIN set Doors 7.30pm Tickets ?5.00 Saturday March 1st Scallys Carlton Street Western-Super-Mare TEL: 01905-613336 BEDOUIN set Doors 7.30pm Tickets ?3.00 Sunday March 2nd Concorde 2 2 Madeira Drive Brighton TEL: 01273 772770 / 01273 325440 SCRAP RECORDS 'ALLDAYER' For further details including sitelinks and maps etc. visit: www.bedouin.info From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jan 26 15:58:19 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:58:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well it still doesnt work for us, so you'll have to do without us in your hour of need! Has anyone managed to log onto NewNet? On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 7:28 pm, you wrote: (sorry!), so i can't tell you.... From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 26 16:04:54 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:04:54 -0600 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <200301262058.19188.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Ben Fagin wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC : :Well it still doesnt work for us, so you'll have to do without us in your hour :of need! : :Has anyone managed to log onto NewNet? : We are netsplit at the moment. Try irc.eviltwins.org or irc.moo.me.uk right now. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From novadrive at COX.NET Sun Jan 26 17:03:53 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:03:53 -0700 Subject: HW: LiS EP (was 'film footage') In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unless you also want the live '95 version of "Lord of Light" with Jerry's guitar added..... KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Henderson Keith > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:27 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: film footage > > > Just wondering...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. On Not of this Earth...yeah, no doubt this is Calvert, > and that it is the same as on the LiS EP (which I don't have). > Nice that I don't need it now though! From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 26 21:29:54 2003 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:29:54 EST Subject: film footage Message-ID: Correct, it's a reel to reel concert of a Frank Zappa/Hawkwind show from the mid 70s. Not sure how anyone thought I had video footage. I think I'm gonna keep this locked in my basement for a few more years. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 23:19:48 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:49:48 +1030 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: no errors - just trys to connect - after a few hundred attempts - I just exited the program. I've never had this happen before and I have installed this software several times on various computers. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Cpt Blue Skin wrote: > > :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > : > :Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at > :all - > > What errors are you getting? > > Please email me offlist, so I can give you a hand. > > thx, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 04:13:38 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:13:38 +0000 Subject: film footage In-Reply-To: <38.34b4f2f9.2b65f3a2@aol.com> Message-ID: THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT SCHTUM ABOUT IT. I know that you'll never get any money out of it no matter how long you keep it. It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? On Monday 27 Jan 2003 02:29, you wrote: > Correct, it's a reel to reel concert of a Frank Zappa/Hawkwind show from > the mid 70s. Not sure how anyone thought I had video footage. I think I'm > gonna keep this locked in my basement for a few more years. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 27 06:24:42 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:24:42 EDT Subject: film footage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Jan 2003 at 14:55, Chris Raymond wrote: > Assuming noone else has yet stepped up to bat, I'll happily take on > the task of converting the (presumably 8mm cine) film of HW in Detroit > onto DVD or similar modern medium. > After getting the band's permission, of course, as they 'don't allow' circulation of live materials... theo From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 16:25:33 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:25:33 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be nobody left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, just in case he is reading this!). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: film footage > THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT SCHTUM ABOUT IT. > > > I know that you'll never get any money out of it > no matter how long you keep it. > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 02:29, you wrote: > > Correct, it's a reel to reel concert of a Frank Zappa/Hawkwind show from > > the mid 70s. Not sure how anyone thought I had video footage. I think I'm > > gonna keep this locked in my basement for a few more years. > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 16:48:40 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:48:40 -0000 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the internet. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 27 17:18:51 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:18:51 -0000 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: Any info on what form this 'headline' appearance will take? Live recording, interviews? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: HW: On the radio > Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on > Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the > internet. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 17:59:50 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:59:50 -0000 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: A live recording; probably either the 1986 Reading appearance or the April 1988 Hammersmith broadcast. We are trying to find out whcih one it will be. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > Any info on what form this 'headline' appearance will take? > Live recording, interviews? > > Nick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:48 PM > Subject: HW: On the radio > > > > Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on > > Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the > > internet. > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Jan 27 18:05:34 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:05:34 -0500 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: Will it just be the concert then? No interveiws? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > A live recording; probably either the 1986 Reading appearance or the April > 1988 Hammersmith broadcast. We are trying to find out whcih one it will be. > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > > > > Any info on what form this 'headline' appearance will take? > > Live recording, interviews? > > > > Nick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:48 PM > > Subject: HW: On the radio > > > > > > > Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on > > > Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the > > > internet. > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 18:10:53 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:10:53 -0000 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: Yes, just a concert; this is a BBC programme that recycles old concert recordings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > Will it just be the concert then? No interveiws? Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > > > > A live recording; probably either the 1986 Reading appearance or the April > > 1988 Hammersmith broadcast. We are trying to find out whcih one it will > be. > > > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Lee" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:18 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > > > > > > > Any info on what form this 'headline' appearance will take? > > > Live recording, interviews? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:48 PM > > > Subject: HW: On the radio > > > > > > > > > > Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on > > > > Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the > > > > internet. > > > > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jan 27 19:05:57 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:05:57 EST Subject: BOC: Sample Sighting Message-ID: Hello. A BOC-related post, the first for me in a while. I was listening to KCPR in San Luis Obispo last night and heard the beginning of "Astronomy" (Secret Treaties), but then a hip-hop beat laid over it, becoming quite a different thing. Only a bit of it was played before the DJ came on and announced it as Buck 65 (an underground hip-hop outfit I've actually heard from the Anticon label...). Dunno what album this tune is from, though. Chuck From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Mon Jan 27 19:35:50 2003 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:35:50 -0500 Subject: Harvey Bainbridge recording... Message-ID: Hi people... I have a recording that I'm hoping someone can provide some details on... I got the tape a few years back and haven't labeled it and now I can't remember the when and where of the show. Anyway, it's a CDR of Harvey Bainbridge's live radio broadcast from one of his recents tours of the USA in MP3 format... can someone tell me the venue and date? Thanks... John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net > Hawkwind will be the "headline" act on BBC 6 Music's Dream Ticket on > Thursday 30th January, This is available on digital radio or on the > internet. From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Mon Jan 27 19:45:17 2003 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: also... can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert Calvert's "The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 04:01:47 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:01:47 -0000 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: John asked: >can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert Calvert's >"The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? Hi John This was recorded at the Theatrespace in London on April 28th 1981. Cheers Dave From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 28 04:22:30 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:22:30 -0500 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: That is Theatrespace London May 1, 81. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch > also... > can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert Calvert's > "The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? > John Majka > jmajka2 at comcast.net From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 28 04:29:45 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:29:45 -0500 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: HI, If you got the Programme with it, its May 1, 81. Unless there were 2 performances. I tree'd that on neo-quark quite awhile ago. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bottomley" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: Re: Kid From Silicon Gulch > John asked: > > >can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert Calvert's > >"The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? > > Hi John > > This was recorded at the Theatrespace in London on April 28th 1981. > > Cheers > > Dave From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 06:02:45 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:02:45 -0000 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: Interesting. I got my copy via neo-quark too & was explicitly told it was from 1981-04-28. Maybe there *are* 2 shows circulating. Or maybe I was given the wrong date - I certainly didn't get a programme with it. Dave >HI, If you got the Programme with it, its May 1, 81. Unless there were 2 >performances. I tree'd that on neo-quark quite awhile ago. Cheers Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Bottomley" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:01 AM >Subject: Re: Kid From Silicon Gulch > > >> John asked: >> >> >can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert >Calvert's >> >"The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? >> >> Hi John >> >> This was recorded at the Theatrespace in London on April 28th 1981. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dave From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 07:12:09 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:12:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: HW: Fwd: [chaoskaos] The human cost Message-ID: Focus: The human cost 'Does Tony have any idea what the flies are like that feed off the dead?' By Robert Fisk Independent, January 26, 2003 On the road to Basra, ITV was filming wild dogs as they tore at the corpses of the Iraqi dead. Every few seconds a ravenous beast would rip off a decaying arm and make off with it over the desert in front of us, dead fingers trailing through the sand, the remains of the burned military sleeve flapping in the wind. "Just for the record,'' the cameraman said to me. Of course. Because ITV would never show such footage. The things we see - the filth and obscenity of corpses - cannot be shown. First because it is not "appropriate" to depict such reality on breakfast-time TV. Second because, if what we saw was shown on television, no one would ever again agree to support a war. That of course was in 1991. The "highway of death", they called it - there was actually a parallel and much worse "highway of death" 10 miles to the east, courtesy of the US Air Force and the RAF, but no one turned up to film it - and the only true picture of the horrors we saw was the photograph of the shrivelled, carbonised Iraqi soldier in his truck. This was an iconic illustration of a kind because it did represent what we had seen, when it was eventually published. For Iraqi casualties to appear on television during that Gulf War - there was another one between 1980 and 1988, and a third is in the offing - it was necessary for them to have died with care, to have fallen romantically on their backs, one hand over a ruined face. Like those First World War paintings of the British dead on the Somme, Iraqis had to die benignly and without obvious wounds, without any kind of squalor, without a trace of shit or mucus or congealed blood, if they wanted to make it on to the morning news programmes. I rage at this contrivance. At Qaa in 1996, when the Israelis had shelled Lebanese refugees at the UN compound for 17 minutes, killing 106 civilians, more than half of them children, I came across a young woman holding in her arms a middle-aged man. He was dead. "My father, my father," she kept crying, cradling his face. One of his arms and one of his legs was missing - the Israelis used proximity shells which cause amputation wounds - but when that scene reached television screens in Europe and America, the camera was close up on the girl and the dead man's face. The amputations were not to be seen. The cause of death had been erased in the interests of good taste. It was as if the old man had died of tiredness, just turned his head upon his daughter's shoulder to die in peace. Today, when I listen to the threats of George Bush against Iraq and the shrill moralistic warnings of Tony Blair, I wonder what they know of this terrible reality. Does George, who declined to serve his county in Vietnam, have any idea what these corpses smell like? Does Tony have the slightest conception of what the flies are like, the big bluebottles that feed on the dead of the Middle East, and then come to settle on our faces and our notepads? Soldiers know. I remember one British officer asking to use the BBC's satellite phone just after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991. He was talking to his family in England and I watched him carefully. "I have seen some terrible things," he said. And then he broke down, weeping and shaking and holding the phone dangling in his hand over the transmission set. Did his family have the slightest idea what he was talking about? They would not have understood by watching television. Thus can we face the prospect of war. Our glorious, patriotic population - albeit only about 20 per cent in support of this particular Iraqi folly - has been protected from the realities of violent death. But I am much struck by the number of letters in my postbag from veterans of the Second World War, men and women, all against this new Iraqi war, with an inalienable memory of torn limbs and suffering. I remember once a wounded man in Iran, a piece of steel in his forehead, howling like an animal - which is, of course, what we all are - before he died; and the Palestinian boy who simply collapsed in front of me when an Israeli soldier shot him dead, quite deliberately, coldly, murderously, for throwing a stone; and the Israeli with a chair leg sticking out of her stomach outside the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem after a Palestinian bomber had decided to execute the families inside; and the heaps of Iraqi dead at the Battle of Dezful in the Iran-Iraq war - the stench of their bodies wafted through our helicopter until the mullahs aboard were sickened; and the young man showing me the thick black trail of his daughter's blood outside Algiers where armed "Islamists" had cut her throat. But George Bush and Tony Blair and Dick Cheney and Jack Straw and all the other little warriors who are bamboozling us into war will not have to think of these vile images. For them it's about surgical strikes, collateral damage and all the other examples of war's linguistic mendacity. We are going to have a just war; we are going to liberate the people of Iraq - some of whom we will obviously kill - and we are going to give them democracy and protect their oil wealth and stage war crimes trials and we are going to be ever so moral, and we are going to watch our defence "experts" on TV with their bloodless sandpits and their awesome knowledge of weapons which rip off heads. Come to think of it, I recall the head of an Albanian refugee, chopped neatly off when the Americans, ever so accidentally, bombed a refugee convoy in Kosovo in 1999 which they thought was a Serb military unit. His head lay in the long grass, bearded, eyes open, severed as if by a Tudor executioner. Months later, I learned his name and talked to the girl who was hit by the severed head during the US air strike and who laid the head reverently in the grass where I found it. Nato, of course, did not apologise to the family. Nor to the girl. No one says sorry after war. No one acknowledges the truth of it. No one shows you what we see. Which is how our leaders and our betters persuade us - still - to go to war. 26 January 2003 06:17 ------------------------------------------------------------------ DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email with errors or harmful and damaging material please notify your Systems Administrator. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ==^^=============================================================== This email was sent to: vulcanfoundry at blueyonder.co.uk EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i1nb.a5cJ6v.dnVsY2Fu Or send an email to: chaoskaos-unsubscribe at topica.com TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^^=============================================================== ------------------------------------------------------- From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 07:33:13 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:33:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's great it works at last. I thought one of my many Linux settings may be wrong but alas no. I was out Trainspotting but will endeavor to be online soon. Thanks :) Ben On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 21:04, you wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Ben Fagin wrote: > :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > : > :Well it still doesnt work for us, so you'll have to do without us in your > : hour of need! > : > :Has anyone managed to log onto NewNet? > > We are netsplit at the moment. > > Try irc.eviltwins.org or irc.moo.me.uk right now. > > Thx, > > Arin From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 08:03:31 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:03:31 +0000 Subject: film footage In-Reply-To: <002001c2c64a$a0a76640$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: IMHO Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no intentrion of ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. Top Man! On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be nobody > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, just in > case he is reading this!). > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 08:06:19 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:06:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: HW: Fwd: [chaoskaos] The human cost In-Reply-To: <200301281212.09716.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Sorry if off topic, but everyone should read this excellent article (posted earlier). On Tuesday 28 Jan 2003 12:12, I forwarded: > Focus: The human cost > 'Does Tony have any idea what the flies are like that feed off the dead?' > By Robert Fisk > > Independent, January 26, 2003 From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Tue Jan 28 08:05:04 2003 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:05:04 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts from either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Fagin To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 Subject: Re: film footage IMHO Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no intentrion of ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. Top Man! On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be nobody > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, just in > case he is reading this!). > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 28 08:31:42 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:31:42 +0800 Subject: film footage Message-ID: Is the Hawklords 78 footage you mention have them performing 25 Years On? If so, I did make a recording of this video clip back in the days (long before Beta) when I had a recorder by Philips which used a format called simply VCR. I was never able to transfer these tapes over to any other format, & one or two tapes snapped. I also gave some away. But I suspect I held on to the ones that may have had possibly rare material on them. I only have 3 or 4 tapes in my possesion still, but cannot say whether this clip is on them or not??? William > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts from > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > Subject: Re: film footage > > IMHO > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > intentrion of > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > Top Man! > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > nobody > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > just in > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Tue Jan 28 08:46:59 2003 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:46:59 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: Someone said a while back this this was filmed by an Italian film crew when it was thought it was the bands last concert. From memory I think the clip they showed on tv was Bob signing Psi Power? Might be wrong though. If you have the recording in some form, maybe someone like Steve Litchfield could transfer it onto a more watchable format, subject to no objections from the band involving copyright etc? -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 28/01/03 13:31 Subject: Re: film footage Is the Hawklords 78 footage you mention have them performing 25 Years On? If so, I did make a recording of this video clip back in the days (long before Beta) when I had a recorder by Philips which used a format called simply VCR. I was never able to transfer these tapes over to any other format, & one or two tapes snapped. I also gave some away. But I suspect I held on to the ones that may have had possibly rare material on them. I only have 3 or 4 tapes in my possesion still, but cannot say whether this clip is on them or not??? William > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts from > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > Subject: Re: film footage > > IMHO > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > intentrion of > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > Top Man! > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > nobody > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > just in > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 28 09:04:19 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:04:19 +0800 Subject: film footage Message-ID: The one thing I am definate of is that the clip was 25 Years On (along with the Automaton intro). It wasn't from a live concert, & I seem to recall Bob dressed in his urban guerilla gear, resting on a large stool! I believe some of the video recorders that used this type of tape are now up on Ebay. If I could locate a machine in Australia it would make things easier. William > Someone said a while back this this was filmed by an Italian film crew when > it was thought it was the bands last concert. From memory I think the clip > they showed on tv was Bob signing Psi Power? Might be wrong though. If you > have the recording in some form, maybe someone like Steve Litchfield could > transfer it onto a more watchable format, subject to no objections from the > band involving copyright etc? > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Duffy > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 28/01/03 13:31 > Subject: Re: film footage > > Is the Hawklords 78 footage you mention have them performing 25 Years > On? If > so, I did make a recording of this video clip back in the days (long > before > Beta) when I had a recorder by Philips which used a format called simply > VCR. I was never able to transfer these tapes over to any other format, > & > one or two tapes snapped. I also gave some away. But I suspect I held on > to > the ones that may have had possibly rare material on them. I only have 3 > or > 4 tapes in my possesion still, but cannot say whether this clip is on > them > or not??? > > William > > > > > > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts > from > > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > > Subject: Re: film footage > > > > IMHO > > > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > > intentrion of > > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > > > Top Man! > > > > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after > every > > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > > nobody > > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > > just in > > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 28 09:24:24 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:54:24 +1030 Subject: film footage Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: Re: film footage > The one thing I am definate of is that the clip was 25 Years On (along with > the Automaton intro). It wasn't from a live concert, & I seem to recall Bob > dressed in his urban guerilla gear, resting on a large stool! > > I believe some of the video recorders that used this type of tape are now up > on Ebay. If I could locate a machine in Australia it would make things > easier. I've got a silver one - but you can't have it.... From gg at NINJANET.COM Mon Jan 27 15:07:41 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:07:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <001701c2c530$eebc38d0$11cb223f@DrBlackman> Message-ID: Cpt wrote: > Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at > all - on wed evening and night I was on the channel, but there were anyone... what time (GMT eheh, I know many of you are in USA) do you usually chat? ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Jan 28 10:26:16 2003 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:26:16 +0000 Subject: URGENT... Hurry on Sundown Chords required please.... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 28 10:25:57 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:25:57 +0800 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: I believe there are some problems with the internet worldwide at the moment, which is either slowing things down, or cutting some places off completely. This might explain why so many chat rooms & forums are empty or out of action? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierluigi Fumi" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > Cpt wrote: > > > Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at > > all - > > on wed evening and night I was on the channel, but there were > anyone... what time (GMT eheh, I know many of you are in USA) do you usually chat? > > ciao!, gg > > > > -- > www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 28 10:42:51 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:42:51 -0500 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: When I tree'd it, I sent out copies of the original program. I may have a few left. I can send you one. I have no clue where the April date came from. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bottomley" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: Re: Kid From Silicon Gulch > Interesting. I got my copy via neo-quark too & was explicitly told it was > from 1981-04-28. Maybe there *are* 2 shows circulating. Or maybe I was given > the wrong date - I certainly didn't get a programme with it. > > Dave > > >HI, If you got the Programme with it, its May 1, 81. Unless there were 2 > >performances. I tree'd that on neo-quark quite awhile ago. Cheers Stephe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dave Bottomley" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:01 AM > >Subject: Re: Kid From Silicon Gulch > > > > > >> John asked: > >> > >> >can someone give me a date and venue for the recording of Robert > >Calvert's > >> >"The Kid From Silicon Gulch" which is widely available? > >> > >> Hi John > >> > >> This was recorded at the Theatrespace in London on April 28th 1981. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Dave From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 28 10:47:52 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:47:52 -0600 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <1d3e01c2c6e1$9362eb70$0200a8c0@xl5> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, William Duffy wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC : :I believe there are some problems with the internet worldwide at the moment, :which is either slowing things down, or cutting some places off completely. :This might explain why so many chat rooms & forums are empty or out of :action? : The internet outages were due to the Slapper/Sapphire MS SQL worm that hit late Friday evening. I'd think that most folks should have patched up their systems by now.... Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 28 10:25:51 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:25:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC In-Reply-To: <12518311460.20030127210741@ninjanet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC : :Cpt wrote: : :> Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at :> all - : :on wed evening and night I was on the channel, but there were :anyone... what time (GMT eheh, I know many of you are in USA) do you usually chat? : Normally 10pm - midnight GMT. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jan 28 14:01:01 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:01:01 EST Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki's Network Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/03 8:20:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes: > Here you go, > > > Damo Suzuki with Defender: Jorge Ledezma (Guitar), Gabor Meszoros (Bass) and > Angel Ledezma (Drums) > February 22 2003 > USA > Chicago, IL > Fireside Bowl > Listen to Live Radio Show on www.wnur.org between 4pm-7pm US central > standard time > > Chris Defender is a most excellent improv post/kraut-rock group out of Chicago...don't miss it. Chuck From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jan 28 14:06:44 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:06:44 -0500 Subject: Foot in mouth/silicon gulch Message-ID: HI, I just checked my program and it says first performance was April 28th. My cd copy is from May 1st. I wasn't a fan back then, but maybe someone here can help. Are both dates correct? Could my copy be mislabeled, or a different performance. Anyone? Cheers Stephe From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jan 28 14:14:25 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:14:25 EST Subject: OFF: decent US Metal bands Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/03 8:27:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > > VH is tops. > > > > check out mid 70's us metal band MOXY > bobm anyone on this list (other than Scott Heller) ever hear Manilla Road? They were from Kansas and released albums all thoughout the '80s on a French label (the villainous Black Dragon) and their own label. Quiet in the '90s though they've reformed again. Really the best '80s metal band besides Maiden, no kiddin'. Not a "hair band" by any means. Not a Cirith Ungol situation. Their main dude Mark Shelton is a *very* serious scholar of Arthur, Atlantis, Lovecraft, Poe, Occult, etc. I truly believe many on this list would dig them. Chuck From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 14:41:25 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:41:25 +0000 Subject: URGENT... Hurry on Sundown Chords required please.... In-Reply-To: <3E36A118.5090709@aol.com> Message-ID: Goes like dis: dee dee see ee, dee dee see ee. D D C E Repeated througout. Let us hear it when finished! On Tuesday 28 Jan 2003 15:26, you wrote: > Hi Guitarists...
>
> About to go to our little studio and record Hurry on Sundown. Yep Thee > Herbert Oranges will be doing a 60's Garage version of the classic > tune.  ( Colin do I come to you to get permissions ?)
>
> Now the guitarists don't seem to quite have the right chords to me (I > am a drummer so what the feck do I know, but it doesn't sound quite > right, The drums however fecking rock man <G>)
>
> So whats the general consensus on the old chords please... Or please > point me to online fellows who have the tune down in Tabs please.
>
> As a thankyou i'll never force it upon any of you,  unless YOU choose > to come and see us... Next outing is the MAG Mad hatter Tea Party in > gloucestershire this sat Night <G>
>
> Regards
> Iain
From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Jan 28 15:48:20 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:48:20 -0500 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: See http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml There is a link to listen over the internet on this page. Right now it is sending out mixed messages, describing Hawkwind as the headliners (i.e. on at about 11pm GMT) in the 'Coming Up' panel on the right; however in the detailed listings halfway down the page, Argent are shown as the headliners. Hawkwind's set is listed as being from '1972 BBC Paris Theatre'; I would assume this is the 1972 BBC session previously released on CD as 'the BBC Radio 1 Sessions' and (different mix) as 'Space Rock From London' Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:10:53 -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: >Yes, just a concert; this is a BBC programme that recycles old concert >recordings. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephe Lindas" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:05 PM >Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > > >> Will it just be the concert then? No interveiws? Cheers Stephe From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 16:49:27 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Re: film footage > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts from > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > Subject: Re: film footage > > IMHO > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > intentrion of > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > Top Man! > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > nobody > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > just in > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 16:53:25 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:53:25 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: To be honest, I would not bother getting it transferred;). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: film footage > Someone said a while back this this was filmed by an Italian film crew when > it was thought it was the bands last concert. From memory I think the clip > they showed on tv was Bob signing Psi Power? Might be wrong though. If you > have the recording in some form, maybe someone like Steve Litchfield could > transfer it onto a more watchable format, subject to no objections from the > band involving copyright etc? > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Duffy > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 28/01/03 13:31 > Subject: Re: film footage > > Is the Hawklords 78 footage you mention have them performing 25 Years > On? If > so, I did make a recording of this video clip back in the days (long > before > Beta) when I had a recorder by Philips which used a format called simply > VCR. I was never able to transfer these tapes over to any other format, > & > one or two tapes snapped. I also gave some away. But I suspect I held on > to > the ones that may have had possibly rare material on them. I only have 3 > or > 4 tapes in my possesion still, but cannot say whether this clip is on > them > or not??? > > William > > > > > > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts > from > > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > > Subject: Re: film footage > > > > IMHO > > > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > > intentrion of > > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > > > Top Man! > > > > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after > every > > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > > nobody > > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > > just in > > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 17:04:30 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:04:30 -0000 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: The "Argent" listing is a show broadcast last week when they played Brainstorm from the 1972 BBC recording. HW ARE headlining on Thursday. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > See http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml There is a > link to listen over the internet on this page. > > Right now it is sending out mixed messages, describing Hawkwind as the > headliners (i.e. on at about 11pm GMT) in the 'Coming Up' panel on the > right; however in the detailed listings halfway down the page, Argent are > shown as the headliners. Hawkwind's set is listed as being from '1972 BBC > Paris Theatre'; I would assume this is the 1972 BBC session previously > released on CD as 'the BBC Radio 1 Sessions' and (different mix) as 'Space > Rock From London' > > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:10:53 -0000, Colin J Allen > wrote: > > >Yes, just a concert; this is a BBC programme that recycles old concert > >recordings. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Stephe Lindas" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:05 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: On the radio > > > > > >> Will it just be the concert then? No interveiws? Cheers Stephe > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 28 17:12:57 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:42:57 +1030 Subject: HW: Newnet IRC Message-ID: I am in Australia - and there ussually wasn't anyone there untill 4am to 9am my time. A bit early unless hawkwind are online for a chat. --------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierluigi Fumi To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: Newnet IRC > Cpt wrote: > > > Stuff this. I downloaded the regular mIrc program and cannot connect at > > all - > > on wed evening and night I was on the channel, but there were > anyone... what time (GMT eheh, I know many of you are in USA) do you usually chat? > > ciao!, gg > > > > -- > www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Jan 28 17:44:43 2003 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:44:43 -0500 Subject: HW: On the radio Message-ID: Ah, that explains that then. I probably didn't read it properly. Thanks Colin! Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:04:30 -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: >The "Argent" listing is a show broadcast last week when they played >Brainstorm from the 1972 BBC recording. HW ARE headlining on Thursday. > >Colin > >----- Original Message ----- >> Right now it is sending out mixed messages, describing Hawkwind as the >> headliners (i.e. on at about 11pm GMT) in the 'Coming Up' panel on the >> right; however in the detailed listings halfway down the page, Argent are >> shown as the headliners. Hawkwind's set is listed as being from '1972 BBC >> Paris Theatre'; I would assume this is the 1972 BBC session previously >> released on CD as 'the BBC Radio 1 Sessions' and (different mix) as 'Space >> Rock From London' >> >> Steve From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 17:51:34 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:51:34 -0000 Subject: silicon gulch Message-ID: The printed programme lists the first performance as: Tuesday 28th April, 1981 at Theatrespace, London WC2. However the audio tape is dated Charing Cross 01 05 81 (which being British makes it 1st May!). Given the amount of work that was put into the production there were very likely two performances (?at least?). Is The Spirit of the Page website still around - the person in charge of that will know. He was also talking about re-staging this show but I don't know what became of that plan. For anyone interested who doesn't have a copy here's the Introductory page of the Programme: "THE KID FROM SILICON GULCH. An electronic musical. Will Brad Spark, private eye of the cybernetic age, solve the mystery of the murdering micros? Book, lyrics and music by Robert Calvert. Additional music by Dave Brock. BRAD SPARK - Robert Calvert SERGEANT KARELLI - Peter Pavli COUNTESS/HOOD - Jill Riches COMPUTER VOICES - Glen Swanborough, Jill Riches, Peter Pavli, Robert Calvert. Design - Larry Smart. Technics - Jonathan Smeeton. Tape realization - Robert Calvert and Peter Pavli. Stage management - Anna Roberts. Directed by Glen Swanborough." There's also a brief biog for each of the cast members and lyrics for the songs performed during the show. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Foot in mouth/silicon gulch HI, I just checked my program and it says first performance was April 28th. My cd copy is from May 1st. I wasn't a fan back then, but maybe someone here can help. Are both dates correct? Could my copy be mislabeled, or a different performance. Anyone? Cheers Stephe From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 28 18:06:42 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:06:42 -0000 Subject: film footage Message-ID: I do hope you're hinting at what I think here, Colin! Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: film footage > :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jobson, Eddie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: film footage > > > > Do nobody ever have any joy with getting hold of the footage excerpts from > > either Dunstable '72 or Hawklords '78 shown on Top Ten? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: 28/01/03 13:03 > > Subject: Re: film footage > > > > IMHO > > > > Just go after the ones who entice us with something and have no > > intentrion of > > ever handing it over to Hawkwind Authorities. > > > > Top Man! > > > > > > On Monday 27 Jan 2003 21:25, you wrote: > > > It could well be "illegal" but I suspect that, if we went after every > > > soundman who ever made an illicit recording of a gig, there would be > > nobody > > > left to mix any gigs anywhere (with the exception of Tim of course, > > just in > > > case he is reading this!). > > > > > > > > > It could turn out that this was an Illegal recording, Colin? > > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 28 18:40:23 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:40:23 EST Subject: URGENT... Hurry on Sundown Chords required please.... Message-ID: Check out Starfarer's Hawkwind Page http://www.starfarer.net/ Tons o' Hawkwind tabs (sorta/kinda) will be found there Joe From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jan 28 19:32:38 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:32:38 +0000 Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! Message-ID: Hi, I was logged in @eviltwins 22:00 - 00:30 Tuesday night and no-one was there. The thing with UNIX is that it tells you everything is ok with no errors but this is not nessarily the case. I was looking forward to chatting with you. were you online? See you later Ben From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 28 19:54:15 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:54:15 -0600 Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! In-Reply-To: <200301290032.38671.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Ben Fagin wrote: :Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! : :Hi, : :I was logged in @eviltwins 22:00 - 00:30 Tuesday night and no-one was there. :The thing with UNIX is that it tells you everything is ok with no errors but :this is not nessarily the case. I was looking forward to chatting with you. :were you online? Ben, Take this to private email, k? I was online up to midnight your time. Don't know why you didn't see us. If you are using kirc, then what did your error logs show? (btw, are you allowing identd through your firewall?) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Jan 28 19:32:24 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:32:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: New internet blues station BellyUp 4 Blues Message-ID: Hello friends, I'd like to pass on this link to an up and coming Blues Station http://www.shoutcast.com/waradio.phtml?s=BellyUp From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 29 05:23:56 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:23:56 +0000 Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arin, I got a message this morning "server too busy try again later" see you soon! Ben On Wednesday 29 Jan 2003 00:54, you wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Ben Fagin wrote: > :Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! > : > :Hi, > : > :I was logged in @eviltwins 22:00 - 00:30 Tuesday night and no-one was > : there. The thing with UNIX is that it tells you everything is ok with no > : errors but this is not nessarily the case. I was looking forward to > : chatting with you. were you online? > > Ben, > > Take this to private email, k? > > I was online up to midnight your time. Don't know why you didn't see us. > If you are using kirc, then what did your error logs show? (btw, are you > allowing identd through your firewall?) > > Arin From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Wed Jan 29 05:51:15 2003 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:51:15 -0000 Subject: Kid From Silicon Gulch Message-ID: >HI, If you got the Programme with it, its May 1, 81. Unless there were 2 >performances. I tree'd that on neo-quark quite awhile ago. Cheers Stephe OK, this is my fault - sorry about that folks. I've just discovered that the correct date for the version of the show I have is indeed May 1st. The document I took this from also listed the date of the first performance (April 28) & I clearly mis-read this as the actual performance date of the show. Must pay more attention! Apologies for any confusion. Dave From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jan 29 05:56:22 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:56:22 +0000 Subject: Even more Computer Chaos! In-Reply-To: <200301291023.57011.vulcanfoundry@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Sorry I dont know how this got on to the list, I swore I addressed it to Arin. On Wednesday 29 Jan 2003 10:23, you wrote: > Hi Arin, > > I got a message this morning "server too busy try again later" From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Jan 29 10:25:35 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:25:35 -0400 Subject: BOYARM 'Concept' Compilation calls for 15 second songs! Submit now!! Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops announce that we will be appearing on a 'theme compilation' cd due out, Summer 1993. The theme is 'Popes of the last 2000 years, and the length of each piece can not exceed 15 seconds! So far there are about 132 submissions. Why not visit Boyarm's site and read about this project. I encourage anyone who feels interested to submit material. They need over 160 more pieces, so help make the album happen by being part of it. Details at: http://www.boyarm.com/ Cheers! Mike Burro From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Wed Jan 29 18:36:17 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:36:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Judge Rules Jardine Cannot Tour As Beach Boys Message-ID: Spot the similarity......... Judge Rules Jardine Cannot Tour As Beach Boys The Beach Boys' Al Jardine will have to get around without using the name of the band that helped define the 1960s California sound, a U.S. court of appeals ruled yesterday (Jan. 28) in San Francisco. Jardine, who co-founded the group in 1961 with brothers Brian, Carl, and Dennis Wilson and their cousin Mike Love, had toured in recent years with a group called the Beach Boys Family & Friends. But other members of the band objected, resulting in a complicated legal dispute. "With two bands touring as the Beach Boys or as a similar sounding combination, show organizers sometimes were confused about what exactly they were getting when they booked Jardine's band," a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in its opinion. "A number of show organizers booked Jardine's band thinking they would get the Beach Boys along with special added guests, but subsequently canceled the booking when it was discovered that Jardine's band was not what they thought it was," the ruling continued. Love had negotiated a deal in 1998 to use the name Beach Boys for his band. Band members went to court and in 2000 won an injunction prohibiting Jardine from using the trademark "The Beach Boys" in the name of his latest group. The Appeals Court decision upheld that ruling. On his official Web site http://www.aljardine.com, Jardine calls his latest group the All-Star Beach Band. From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Wed Jan 29 18:39:36 2003 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:39:36 -0500 Subject: HW: We Want Live Shows! Message-ID: Pearl Jam does it. Why can't Hawkwind??? Meanwhile, Pearl Jam has revealed further details about the official "bootlegs" it will make available following each upcoming show. As reported yesterday, fans who pre-order the double-disc sets through the band's Ten Club http://www.tenclub.net fan organization will be able to access a secure stream of unmastered MP3 files from a given show within hours of its completion. A mastered double-CD copy of the concert, complete with custom-designed packaging, will be shipped two to three days later (shows from the pre-North American tour of Australia and Japan will take seven to 10 days to arrive). The band's soundman, Brett Eliason, will be mixing each show as it happens, and will afterward upload the music as a digital file via a secure network connection directly to an MP3 server and a mastering lab. "After the show, we will literally just take the hard drive with the files and go and upload them to the locations [where] they're supposed to show up," he says. "It's exciting. The components just fell together to be able to do this in the fashion we're doing it." And although 72 complete shows from Pearl Jam's 2000 world tour were available from the Ten Club and in traditional retail outlets, Curtis stresses the 2003 shows will initially be available only through the Ten Club. "My concern is that of retail and the consumer," he says. "Right now, there's too much [leftover 2000 tour] product out there. Until we're able to clean it up, we're not going to release anything to retail. Our intention was never to market this project in a huge way. It was intended to be a one or two-time offer to retail and then it's gone." Taken from www.billboard.com Peace, D From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 29 21:28:25 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:28:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Judge Rules Jardine Cannot Tour As Beach Boys Message-ID: Unfortunately, this article leaves out the most pertinent statement by the judge(s) ruling the case. Of course, this is American law, so it can't necessarily be applied to similar situations under UK juristiction, but anyway ... from: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/chronicle/archive/2003/01/29/MN157086.DTL "The court said a former member of a famous band now touring on his own may have the right to mention the band's name, but not in a way that wrongly suggests sponsorship or endorsement." That sounds like a fair summary judgement, as it applies to any similar dispute, to me (of course, what exactly constitutes "sponsorship or endorsement" is always subject to debate). (WARNING: Beach Boys trivia ahead, turn back before it's too late!) The ironic thing is that Al Jardine is being sued by Mike Love (a lawsuit- happy guy who had also successfully sued Brian Wilson over songwriting credits - including those for songs written while by Wilson when Love wasn't even in the USA!), who currently licenses the name "Beach Boys" from the corporation owned by Love, Jardine, Brian Wilson, and the late Carl Wilson's estate. In the late 1970's, it was Mike Love and Al Jardine *together* who KILLED the band by ganging up against the creative portion of the band (Wilson brothers Carl and Dennis, now both deceased, and anyone who thinks that Dennis Wilson wasn't a musical contributor because he was the drummer needs to hear his BRILLIANT solo album, 'Pacific Ocean Blue') while Brian Wilson was too addled (and under the "supervision" of Love's cousin) to stand up for his brothers. The result was that the band stopped making fascinating & creative (if flawed) albums like 'Sunflower', 'Holland', and 'Love You' and started churning out utter crap like '15 Big Ones' (with the wretched cover of "Rock'n'Roll Music") and 'LA Light Album' (famed for a crappy disco bastardization of their classic "Here Comes The Night"), culminating with the truly horrid "Kokomo". Yeah, about the nicest thing I can say about Al Jardine is that he's not Mike Love ... (ironically, the only person who deserves to be able to use the band name, Brian Wilson, isn't even using it!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Jan 29 20:39:59 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:39:59 -0400 Subject: The One Eyed Bishops: Open Stage; Ocean City, NJ ; Fine Arts League 2/8 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops invite you to join us at the 'Open Stage' event offered by 'The Fine Arts League' of Ocean City New Jersey: Date: Saturday, February 8th 2003 Time: 8:30-11:PM Place: Fine Arts League Building, 943 Asbury Ave; Ocean City New Jersey price: $4.00 donation to Arts League for building maintenance You can sign up too!!! prepare an up to 3 song set and call: Ingrid@ 399-9278 Sponsored by the Acoustic Music Society http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Jan 30 02:17:02 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:17:02 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind on Radio 6 Message-ID: Hi all, Just to let you know that BBC 6Music will be broadcasting a 'wind show from the BBC Paris Theatre, 1972 on "The Dream Ticket" tonight (Thurs 30th), 10pm 'til midnight. For those who don't know about 6Music, it's digital / internet only radio. Have a look at www.bbc.co.uk/6music for info, or to listen over the web. If you're in the UK it's available on Freeview channel 77. Cheers, Rich. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 30 04:35:14 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:35:14 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind on Radio 6 Message-ID: The pity is that they broadcast the same show 2 or 3 months ago! So stupid when they have 2 other shows! Colin On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:17:02 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Hi all, > >Just to let you know that BBC 6Music will be broadcasting a 'wind show from >the BBC Paris Theatre, 1972 on "The Dream Ticket" tonight (Thurs 30th), 10pm >'til midnight. > >For those who don't know about 6Music, it's digital / internet only radio. >Have a look at www.bbc.co.uk/6music for info, or to listen over the web. If >you're in the UK it's available on Freeview channel 77. > >Cheers, > >Rich. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 30 08:42:03 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:42:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Judge Rules Jardine Cannot Tour As Beach Boys In-Reply-To: <030201c2c7ef$38bcbe80$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: DRider wrote: > On his official Web site http://www.aljardine.com, Jardine calls his latest > group the All-Star Beach Band. Update: The P-Funk All-Stars have just filed suit against Jardine, as has The Band. Jardine now plans to call his group xBeach.net. Brian From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Jan 30 14:03:39 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:03:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: death comes like a compilation down the highway... Message-ID: >From the BOC website: Sony Records will release "The Essential Blue ?yster Cult" on March 18, 2003. This compilation joins several others Sony has released in its "Essential" series. It will contain 16 songs from B?C's back catalog. Songs will be: Stairway to the Stars, Cities on Flame, Buck's Boogie (studio version), 7 Screaming Diz-busters, Harvester of Eyes, Astronomy, (Don't Fear) The Reaper, E.T.I., Godzilla, I Love the Night, In Thee, Black Blade, Burnin' For You, Veteran of the Psychic Wars, Shooting Shark and Take Me Away. BUT WAIT! THere's more! "Agents of Fortune" is being released by Sony on high fidelity SACD (Super Audio CD) format. Release date is March 18, 2003. The disc will contain both a Multichannel Stereo and Multichannel Surround version of the songs. It includes one bonus track, "Fire of Unknown Origin" from those original recording sessions (Not the later version that appeared on "Fire of Unknown Origin." The album was remixed for surround by Shelley Yakus, the engineer on the original recording. Playing SACDs requires an SACD player. The discs do not play on standard CD playing equipment. There's always a catch, and this is it: "A Long Day's Night" is being released on Silverline Records in 6-channel DVD- Audio (DVD-A) format. Release date is set for February 25, 2003. This format is playable on any standard DVD player or computer DVD-ROM drive.The disc will also contain still images from the con Why does anyone think we need this much redundancy at one time? Maybe this is what happens if you sign a contract in blood with a guy in a shark skin suit... Jason ---------------------------------------------------- "Visit Capital.NET online at http://www.capital.net" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 30 13:15:30 2003 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:15:30 EDT Subject: BOC: death comes like a compilation down the highway... In-Reply-To: <1043953419.3e39770b1c57a@webmail.capital.net> Message-ID: On 30 Jan 2003 at 14:03, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Sony Records will release "The Essential Blue ?yster Cult" on March > 18, 2003. This compilation joins several others Sony has released in > its "Essential" series. It will contain 16 songs from B?C's back > catalog. > > Songs will be: Stairway to the Stars, Cities on Flame, Buck's Boogie > (studio version), Is that from 'The Guitars That Destroyed The World?' Can't remember but I thought that was live. Or is that the same as one of the bonus tracks from the remasters? 7 Screaming Diz-busters, Harvester of Eyes, > Astronomy, (Don't Fear) The Reaper, E.T.I., Godzilla, I Love the > Night, In Thee, Black Blade, Burnin' For You, Veteran of the Psychic > Wars, Shooting Shark and Take Me Away. > Not a bad selection, really... > BUT WAIT! THere's more! > Who is this guy, Ron Popiel? > "Agents of Fortune" is being released by Sony on high fidelity SACD > (Super Audio CD) format. Release date is March 18, 2003. The disc will > contain both a Multichannel Stereo and Multichannel Surround version > of the songs. It includes one bonus track, "Fire of Unknown Origin" > from those original recording sessions (Not the later version that > appeared on "Fire of Unknown Origin." It's the version on the Agents remaster? The album was remixed for > surround by Shelley Yakus, the engineer on the original recording. > Playing SACDs requires an SACD player. The discs do not play on > standard CD playing equipment. > But you CAN play them on a DVD player, right? > There's always a catch, and this is it: > "A Long Day's Night" is being released on Silverline Records in > 6-channel DVD- Audio (DVD-A) format. Release date is set for February > 25, 2003. This format is playable on any standard DVD player or > computer DVD-ROM drive.The disc will also contain still images from > the con > > Why does anyone think we need this much redundancy at one time? > Maybe this is what happens if you sign a contract in blood with a guy > in a shark skin suit... > Yeah, well, these guys are getting closer to meeting up with that shrkskin suit guy again, right? tj From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 30 15:45:56 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:45:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: [Real Magick ] storms In-Reply-To: <008901c2c877$d1834660$8a5c063e@mc> Message-ID: Another gem from chaoskaos!! On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 15:54, Mark wrote: > > That's my theory at least. That's the only thing that > > explains, to me, how so many people can have the same > > feelings of "something big is about to happen" or > > "the world is about to end" > I think I would have to agree with this. The way I see it is the intuition > picking up a macrocosmic reflection of microcosmic change. When starting > serious magical work something big is about to happen... the world, or at > least the percieved world within existing boundries is about to end as a > new level of perception is created. > > There have been so many doomsday theories over the centuries when hearing > them I just sigh. If it ends so be it but frankly I'll believe it when the > air starts to boil and not a moment before :) > > LVX > Mark > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > realmagick-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 30 18:36:04 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:36:04 EST Subject: OFF: Judge Rules Jardine Cannot Tour As Beach Boys Message-ID: Yeah, Doug, I totally agree with everything you said! I think they (Mike Love) have a lotta balls to call themselves The Beach Boys, when the most creative members (the Wilson brothers) aren't in the band! But then, wasn't it Mike who, during the Pet Sounds sessions, told Brian, "don't fuck with the formula?" Why grow when one can sing Surfer Girl at sixty or seventy years of age? Joe From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jan 30 21:14:45 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:14:45 +0000 Subject: HW: BBC Radio Live in London Message-ID: Hi, I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed tonights session, I never realised what a superb recording this is, a fine example of Brock & Turner sonic attack. Totally blew away all the other shit the BBC played. Cheers Ben From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Fri Jan 31 12:12:04 2003 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:12:04 CST Subject: BOC: death comes like a compilation down the highway... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:00:06 CST." <200301311000.FAA15349@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: >On 30 Jan 2003 at 14:03, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >> "Agents of Fortune" is being released by Sony on high fidelity SACD >> (Super Audio CD) format. Release date is March 18, 2003. >> >> Playing SACDs requires an SACD player. The discs do not play on >> standard CD playing equipment. >> >But you CAN play them on a DVD player, right? Not on a "standard" DVD player, no. Last month's issue of "Sound and Vision" magazine published a survey of DVD players on the market, and listed (IIRC) no more than a half-dozen models which can handle both DVD and SACD. Among them was the Yamaha DVD-S2300 and Marantz DV8300 models, which play DVDs, DVD-Audio and SACDs, CDs, and a couple other things. Otherwise your option is a standalone SACD player. Sony recently introduced an SACD changer for <$400. I just got the Yamaha this week, but only have a 2-channel setup. :-( m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Jan 31 11:03:29 2003 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:03:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" Message-ID: DAVE BROCK is "HAWKWIND-BUDDHA", NOT ME! Already in my youth I had already reasoned that Dave Brock, founder member/guitarist/singer of Hawkwind was "Hawkwind-Buddha" because he was the only remaining founder member and was the head of the spaceship Hawkwind. Brock is a woman who whores out the Hawkwind name through other members as well over the years and is the sole leader of the band. Competing founder member/vocalist/saxophonist Nik Turner competes quite well, but doesen't quite make it as "Hawkwind-Buddha" due to too many years away from the spotlight in Hawkwind, both as an auxhilary member in the early 80's as a frontman as well, and his return in the 90's to stylishly fleece Brock as an old magi punk. Turner is also a woman in magi. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jan 31 12:40:01 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:40:01 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" In-Reply-To: <20030131160329.10126.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Huh? ________________________________ If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. -- Voltaire ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer ::->Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:03 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: HW: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" ::-> ::-> ::->DAVE BROCK is "HAWKWIND-BUDDHA", NOT ME! ::-> ::->Already in my youth I had already reasoned that Dave ::->Brock, founder member/guitarist/singer of Hawkwind was ::->"Hawkwind-Buddha" because he was the only remaining ::->founder member and was the head of the spaceship ::->Hawkwind. Brock is a woman who whores out the Hawkwind ::->name through other members as well over the years and ::->is the sole leader of the band. Competing founder ::->member/vocalist/saxophonist Nik Turner competes quite ::->well, but doesen't quite make it as "Hawkwind-Buddha" ::->due to too many years away from the spotlight in ::->Hawkwind, both as an auxhilary member in the early ::->80's as a frontman as well, and his return in the 90's ::->to stylishly fleece Brock as an old magi punk. Turner ::->is also a woman in magi. ::-> ::->Chr. ::-> ::-> ::-> ::->__________________________________________________ ::->Do You Yahoo!? ::->Everything you'll ever need on one web page ::->from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts ::->http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Jan 31 14:49:48 2003 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:49:48 -0000 Subject: HW: NIK: Nikwind report Message-ID: Hi, Saw Nik and his merry band of warriors at Bilston last night. Main reason for going was to see the members from decades past (Slattery, Crimble, Anderson, Ollis & Dettmar). Wasn't expecting much musically, but generally exceeded expectations. Streets ahead of last time I saw Nik, Huw, Ollis & Crimble at Welsh festival (Ystalefera) ... ie You could tell which songs they were playing! Stuff of interest included Born To Go, D-Rider, Children Of The Sun, Master, Orgone, Silver Machine, Brainstorm, Ejection and no doubt a couple I've forgotten. Nik welcomed tapers, camcorders & photos, but asked for copies (seems reasonable). Del was on "axe", pretty much full time which was a marvel to witness. Terry not changed one iota from 70/71, instantly recognisable - the 2nd drummer was his son, Sam. Enjoyed it, good fun gig, catch 'em whilst you can. 3 others on stage as well, taking total up to 10, although later on they were also joined by some young guy on guitar (Hewitt?). Spiky outfits a-plenty! Jez From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 31 15:02:52 2003 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:02:52 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What on Earth is whover wrote this on about? On Friday 31 Jan 2003 17:40, you wrote: > ::->"Hawkwind-Buddha" because he was the only remaining > ::->founder member and was the head of the spaceship > ::->Hawkwind. Brock is a woman who whores out the Hawkwind > ::->name through other members as well over the years and > ::->is the sole leader of the band. Competing founder > ::->member/vocalist/saxophonist Nik Turner competes quite > ::->well, but doesen't quite make it as "Hawkwind-Buddha" > ::->due to too many years away from the spotlight in > ::->Hawkwind, both as an auxhilary member in the early > ::->80's as a frontman as well, and his return in the 90's From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 31 20:38:35 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:38:35 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: this album absolutely flat-out rules ... Message-ID: ... and I'm not just saying that because I guested on three of the songs. http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/ -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 31 22:24:33 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:54:33 +1030 Subject: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" OFF babble Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: Re: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" > Huh? > > ________________________________ > If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. If we were snails god would have the biggest, bestest most glorious snail shell you ever saw.... If we were poultry god would be the most noble rooster with the biggest coolest comb you ever saw... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 31 22:26:15 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:56:15 +1030 Subject: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" Message-ID: He's on about 12 grams of super wicked strength Amphetamine ----------------------------------- Cpt Blue Skin http://www.alien-dream.com (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Dave Brock is "Hawkwind-Buddha" > What on Earth is whover wrote this on about? > > > On Friday 31 Jan 2003 17:40, you wrote: > > ::->"Hawkwind-Buddha" because he was the only remaining > > ::->founder member and was the head of the spaceship > > ::->Hawkwind. Brock is a woman who whores out the Hawkwind etc etc etc etc etc yadda yadda