From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Mon Dec 1 02:54:58 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:54:58 +0100 Subject: HW: New live discs Message-ID: Hej, I am really glad that the band has decided to release these since they no longer approve of recording of their concerts. What do you think the chances are that they will try to follow some simple guidelines that will make all us hardcore fans happy: 1. Complete concerts. Please not only part of the concert if a complete concert exists. 2. Liner notes with complete information and no mistakes. Please consult us, Kris and Dave, if you are in doubt. We actually know quite alot about hawkwind in this community. As for requests... I have heard and talked with folks that Trevor Hughes or maybe Nik have the Bickershaw 72 gig. This is one we in this community would very much like to hear the show whole. Thanks.. scott ObCD Brainticket- Cottonwood Hill (Switz 72) From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 09:57:02 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:57:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: > Subject: BOC: Imaginos > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:18:24 -0500 > From: AerospaceAge Warrior > > Would one of the BOC experts briefly paint the Imagino's story for me > again? > > What I mean is the "making of" story, as opposed to the "theme" of the > album itself. > > Thanks in advance > See if what you're looking for is in the BOC FAQ - http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 1 13:05:02 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:05:02 -0500 Subject: HW: New live discs Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:54:58 +0100, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Liner notes with complete information and no mistakes. Just to second this point- whatever the difficulties the band face, there is really no excuse for the spelling mistakes and other basic errors that litter the Weird CDs and various other HW releases. No doubt the band will say that this is not their fault, and maybe that's true. But if the new live CDs are indeed going to come directly from the band, then can they promise to eliminate these kinds of amateur errors? I realise this Collector's Club scheme is probably still being thought through, but is it possible to give us at least a rough idea of what some of these live releases might be? I'm sure the obsessive Kollektors will sign up for this idea straight away, but the rest of us are going to find it difficult to sign up for something without knowing what it is. Nick From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 1 15:07:43 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:07:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Spacehead and Litmus Gig Message-ID: Spacehead and Litmus, two of the best spacerock bands around, will be playing a doublebill at: The Standard Music Venue 1 Blackhorse Lane London E17 6DS Nearest tube:Blackhorse Road Friday, January 9th 2004 Tickets: ?6.00 It should be a great night! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 1 16:08:56 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:08:56 +0000 Subject: Goodbye MP3.com & "Thanks for 6,741 total plays"...still time to download these Message-ID: Hello friends, thanks for all the support you have shown toward Sloterdijk since the inception of our mp3.com website. It's finally shutting down tomorrow, as their whole network goes with it. We will be building a new website very soon. In the meantime please address all inquiries to: Sloterdijk at msn.com and also don't forget The One Eyed Bishops site is still going at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com There are still three free cuts on the mp3.com site until tomorrow. They are all from the last studio album, 'Beware The Charlatans' You can download them at: http://www.mp3.com/sloterdijk Cheers! Sloterdijk _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Dec 1 19:33:09 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:33:09 -0000 Subject: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) Message-ID: And Haze kindly stepped in at the last minute for "UK Electronica '85" in Sheffield when whoever it was prog band failed on us at the last minute. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) > Haze... > We put them on a few times at the Sheffield Uni Rock Society and later > as, I recall, Erik Von Daniken. That was for the Solstice gig that > should've been headlined by the Atomgods if only they hadn't split... > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Neil Shilladay > Sent: 26 November 2003 08:56 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF Treebeard / Haze (was Re: OFF: TicketMaster bidding) > > > Mike Wright writes > "And if you like Treebeard get hold of some of their live tapes from > when > some of them were called Haze. They did a suitably splendid "Hurry on > Sundown", as well as a good range of other covers and wonderful proggy > nonsense." > > I was just listening to '20th anniversary show' CD when I read your > email. > Great band, great musicians. > For any that are interested, Treebeard and Haze are playing Nottingham > 27th > Feb and Sheffield 29th Feb. I'll try & talk the guys into Hurry on > Sundown > next time I see them :o) > > Cheers > Neil. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 2 20:48:31 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:48:31 -0000 Subject: BUY OR DIE! Turner vid, Tree CD update Message-ID: realfestivalmusic say... BUY OR DIE... Yes, it's BUY OR DIE time at RFM, as the great annual pagan midwinter festival approaches. Dig deep folks, and remember, the material world is just an illusion, the stuff you'll get on our CD's and Vids will rocket you to where you really wanna be. Get in with the IN crowd and rub shoulders with the likes of Nik Turner, Trajic Roundabout, Ron Tree, MOAB, Space Ritual, Judge Trev, Mr Quimby's Beard, The Big Green Gathering, Festival Eye, Guifin, Mercury Moon, etc etc. We have a new DVD of "Spacerock Supergroup Frenzy", the Space Ritual/MOAB/Ron Tree/Judge Trev/Alice Rhubarb/Jackie Windmill and friends gig at the BGG this year. It has an extra track - Ron singing "Spirit of the Age", which got lost on the video version. Bajina - Ron Tree of Hawkwind fame, and Judge Trev from Inner City Unit - bad boys of spacerock - their first gig together "Live in Hamburg" CDr, collectors item - remastered Oct 2003 - now called MOAB - Mother of All Bands - hear them on RFM. Buy or Die CD's: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html VID's/DVD: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Dec 3 12:14:41 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:14:41 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK & One Eyed Bishops items on ebay Message-ID: Greetings friends, between now and Christmas, we here at 'The Night-Owl Music' plan to offer up as many titles as we can via our listings on ebay. Currently we are offering: SLOTERDIJK: @The Wrong Way Inn 8/25/01 SLOTERDIJK & Thom The World Poet ( Strange Daze 99) @The Khyber 8/6/00 @The 2002 Devon Hawkfestival 7/20/02 Beware The Charlatans (2002) Uranium Zone (2001) Integration ( 2000) The One Eyed Bishops: @The 2002 Devon Hawkfestival 7/20/02 Rave Up EP: ( 2002) just click to http://www.ebay.com and use the following key words to search: Sloterdijk or The One Eyed Bishops There will be more titles appearing within the next days.. Cheers! Sloterdijk& The OEBs _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 16:08:55 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:08:55 -0000 Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help Message-ID: Hello Folks! Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they are no longer using? I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the only way to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there are a lot of them!), which are stored on the phone and not the sim card, is to find another phone of exactly the same model. The info can then be transferred into said phone. These phones are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I lose everything :-(...........................Help! Best wishes Kris From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Wed Dec 3 17:19:35 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:19:35 +0100 Subject: HW:Harvey turning travesty? Message-ID: Hello, have a strange Hawkwind photo? e-mail me privately ;-))) greetings filip From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 18:16:46 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:16:46 -0000 Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help Message-ID: I haven't but Tescos were recently offering a chance to re-cycle old mobile phones. It's a bit of a long shot but they might know where the phones were being sent and, if so, you might find an old Ericsson there still in a usable state. Alternatively the Carphone Wareshop was (I think) offering to exchange old phones at one time - maybe they could help? Just some sympathetic thoughts - good luck! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help Hello Folks! Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they are no longer using? I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the only way to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there are a lot of them!), which are stored on the phone and not the sim card, is to find another phone of exactly the same model. The info can then be transferred into said phone. These phones are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I lose everything :-(...........................Help! Best wishes Kris From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 3 18:25:57 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:25:57 -0000 Subject: off Urgent request for help In-Reply-To: <012d01c3b9e1$d69d0260$c4a0bd50@default> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure we used to have some Ericssons at work but they got upgraded to Nokias. I don't know if they still have the old ones around or whether they got binned, it was a while back, I think. I'll ask tomorrow... Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Hawkwind Sent: 03 December 2003 21:09 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help Hello Folks! Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they are no longer using? I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the only way to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there are a lot of them!), which are stored on the phone and not the sim card, is to find another phone of exactly the same model. The info can then be transferred into said phone. These phones are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I lose everything :-(...........................Help! Best wishes Kris From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Dec 3 18:49:43 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:49:43 -0500 Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help In-Reply-To: <012d01c3b9e1$d69d0260$c4a0bd50@default>; from boclist@HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK on Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:08:55PM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:08:55PM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: > Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they are no longer using? Someone in Kent is auctioning one on eBay's UK site: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3367281511&category=14410 As I write, the price is ?10. The auction ends Saturday evening. If that falls through, there are a bunch on the U.S. site (ebay.com, as opposed to ebay.co.uk), in the $40-50 range. Check carefully before you bid, though; many U.S. sellers refuse to ship abroad. (Though even if the "shipping and payment details" section says "U.S. only", it doesn't hurt to drop the seller an email; often they say, "sure I'll ship to , as long as you pay the shipping charges".) As well, I'll ask around work; we have a few people around here who are always upgrading to the latest-and-greatest. But that could get expensive (as could the ebay.com route), what with customs, transatlantic shipping, etc. > I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the > only way to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there > are a lot of them!), which are stored on the phone and not the > sim card, is to find another phone of exactly the same model. > The info can then be transferred into said phone. These phones > are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I lose everything > :-(...........................Help! Slaves to technology, indeed... Good luck on your search! - Eric -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Dec 3 19:25:33 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:25:33 -0500 Subject: HW: A plea for your help Message-ID: About a week ago I wrote to you somewhat "hacked off" that my PC had crashed just as i was putting together a rather interesting little survey into peoples likes and dislikes as far as hawkwind was concerned. well your response was overwhelming and I'm now pleased to announce that the much enlarged set of results have just been uploaded to the hawkwind museum, for those interested, especially those who contributed the link is http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/factsand.htm hopefully you will find it fun as well as informative and also clear enough to follow (this is the first time i've ever undertaken anything like this!) thanks again to all of you who made this possible and if you want to add your data then you can still fill out a visitor profile at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm all the best for now regards dave From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 19:45:31 2003 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (HawkFan) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:45:31 -0000 Subject: HW: A plea for your help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good grief. 1972 was the most common year for getting into Hawkwind. I just missed it as Hall of the Mountain Grill was my first album. We are officially a bunch of old gits :-) FWIW Doremi Fasol Latido is definitively the best ever Hawkwind album and your respondents clearly have not recovered the brain cells they lost taking acid in 1972. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Dave Law Sent: 04 December 2003 00:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: A plea for your help About a week ago I wrote to you somewhat "hacked off" that my PC had crashed just as i was putting together a rather interesting little survey into peoples likes and dislikes as far as hawkwind was concerned. well your response was overwhelming and I'm now pleased to announce that the much enlarged set of results have just been uploaded to the hawkwind museum, for those interested, especially those who contributed the link is http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/factsand.htm hopefully you will find it fun as well as informative and also clear enough to follow (this is the first time i've ever undertaken anything like this!) thanks again to all of you who made this possible and if you want to add your data then you can still fill out a visitor profile at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm all the best for now regards dave From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 3 20:15:39 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:15:39 +0000 Subject: HW: A plea for your help Message-ID: An interesting set of results Dave. Thanks for your efforts. Eddie. >From: Dave Law >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: A plea for your help >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:25:33 -0500 > >About a week ago I wrote to you somewhat "hacked off" that my PC had >crashed just as i was putting together a rather interesting little survey >into peoples likes and dislikes as far as hawkwind was concerned. well >your response was overwhelming and I'm now pleased to announce that the >much enlarged set of results have just been uploaded to the hawkwind >museum, for those interested, especially those who contributed the link is >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/factsand.htm >hopefully you will find it fun as well as informative and also clear >enough to follow (this is the first time i've ever undertaken anything >like this!) >thanks again to all of you who made this possible and if you want to add >your data then you can still fill out a visitor profile at >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm >all the best for now >regards >dave _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 4 00:16:38 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:46:38 +1030 Subject: HW: A plea for your help Message-ID: I was only 4 in 72. But I'll get my time machine built one day and check it all out...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "HawkFan" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: A plea for your help > Good grief. 1972 was the most common year for getting into Hawkwind. I just > missed it as Hall of the Mountain Grill was my first album. We are > officially a bunch of old gits :-) > > FWIW Doremi Fasol Latido is definitively the best ever Hawkwind album and > your respondents clearly have not recovered the brain cells they lost taking > acid in 1972. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Dave Law > Sent: 04 December 2003 00:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: A plea for your help > > > About a week ago I wrote to you somewhat "hacked off" that my PC had > crashed just as i was putting together a rather interesting little survey > into peoples likes and dislikes as far as hawkwind was concerned. well > your response was overwhelming and I'm now pleased to announce that the > much enlarged set of results have just been uploaded to the hawkwind > museum, for those interested, especially those who contributed the link is > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/factsand.htm > hopefully you will find it fun as well as informative and also clear > enough to follow (this is the first time i've ever undertaken anything > like this!) > thanks again to all of you who made this possible and if you want to add > your data then you can still fill out a visitor profile at > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm > all the best for now > regards > dave > From mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM Thu Dec 4 05:24:00 2003 From: mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:24:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Kris Phone In-Reply-To: <200312041000.hB49aed9011559@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Kris, Try your local Orange shop, they do something called a flash card which can bu used to back up your phone memory to a SIM card type device. Don't know if they can do it without the screen though, I assume it works using a PC hookup so might be worth a go. > Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they = > are no longer using? > I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the only way = > to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there are a lot of them!), = > which are stored on the phone and not the sim card, is to find another = > phone of exactly the same model. The info can then be transferred into = > said phone. These phones are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I = > lose everything :-(...........................Help! > > Best wishes > > Kris From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 4 15:03:37 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:03:37 -0000 Subject: off Urgent request for help In-Reply-To: <000f01c3b9f4$cebcbbe0$16410352@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: No joy, I'm afraid. The Ericssons had been in use when I was previously working at this company a few years back. The drawer full of old mobiles had several Nokias and Motorolas but sadly no Ericssons. Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Nick Lee Sent: 03 December 2003 23:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: off Urgent request for help I'm pretty sure we used to have some Ericssons at work but they got upgraded to Nokias. I don't know if they still have the old ones around or whether they got binned, it was a while back, I think. I'll ask tomorrow... Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Hawkwind Sent: 03 December 2003 21:09 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help Hello Folks! Has anyone got an Ericsson R520m mobile phone which still works and they are no longer using? I dropped mine and the screen has been damaged. Apparently the only way to retrieve the names and numbers stored (and there are a lot of them!), which are stored on the phone and not the sim card, is to find another phone of exactly the same model. The info can then be transferred into said phone. These phones are now quite rare, but if I don't find one I lose everything :-(...........................Help! Best wishes Kris From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Fri Dec 5 10:24:21 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:24:21 +0100 Subject: HW: collectors club - question Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering that if this collectorsclub releases are gonna be SB-recordings. Does that mean that we can resume trading concerts for wich no SB-recordings excist? --BArt From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 12:05:33 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:05:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Off (sort of) another request for help Message-ID: Hi Folks Bit of an unusual request here, but of all the Hawkfans in the North-East / Yorkshire are there any who own a farm - sheep or battery hens? Please let us know as soon as possible if you can help! :-} All will be revealed soon............................baaaaa! Thanks Kris From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 6 09:18:03 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:18:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords Message-ID: Folks, Is there any chance anybody out there has any contemporary music press reviews of the Hawklords album and could do me a scan or photocopy - or any Hawklords era NME/Sounds/Melody Maker etc interviews (with the exception of the Calvert/Moorcock interview in MM 1978) please? Regards Ian From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 7 07:47:02 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 07:47:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New CD & Concert Reviews plus Alchemical Radio show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 7, 2003): We've just uploaded new band profiles, a new Action Man story, CD reviews and a new edition of Alchemical Radio. Thanks to Roger Neville-Neil, Brian Faulkner, DJ Copelinn, Keith Henderson, Scott Heller, Brian Faulkner and Jeff Fitzgerald for their contributions. We've got a profile plus reviews of Unlimbo, a new Action Man story, concert reviews of Porcupine Tree, Seid, WE, Mars Volta and Screaming Eric and the Erections, plus CD reviews of JFK Jr Royal Airforce, The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment, Porcelin gOD, Loopian Zu, Mind Of A Squid, Alastair Galbraith/Constantine Karlis, Ink Puddle Compound, Stone Breath, Cul de Sac, Cipher, Rick Ray, The Gak Omek, First Band From Outerspace, Jack Daddy Loops AKA Loopty, Faster Distaster, Nothing 2 Declare, I Decline, Mouth Of Clay, Charles Rice Goff III/Eric Matchett/Jonathan Sielaff, My First Days On Junk, Electric Turn To Me, Invisible, The Planet The, Dadly Afters, The Davolinas, Blue Van, The Ebb and Flow, Stars in Battledress, Ruotomieli, Orphan Project, Paragon, Blue Drift, Heon, Last Laugh, Rag Time Grunge, Harris Newman and Leslie West. Access all the new reviews from our What's New page at http://www.aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html You can go directly to the Radio shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Alchemical Radio (show #50) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions. Dieter Bornzero Bornshlegal - "Space Caravan" Troy Lukkarila - "Why Can't I Get A Gig" Life Of Agony - "Heroin Dreams" Blue Cheer - "Doctor Please" Tess Arkels - "Conscience" Blue Lily Commission - "Persia" Cousin Silas - "Glass Ravine" DJ Monkey - "Big Oil" Damo Suzuki's Network - "Bigfoot Skeleton" Paradox One - "Angel Song In Neon Part 3" Dave Dill - "Left Behind" Terry Munday - "Nemesis" http://Aural-Innovations.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 7 18:04:08 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:04:08 -0000 Subject: Hawklords Message-ID: Hawklords interview from Sounds. Any good? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 06 December 2003 14:19 Subject: HW: Hawklords Folks, Is there any chance anybody out there has any contemporary music press reviews of the Hawklords album and could do me a scan or photocopy - or any Hawklords era NME/Sounds/Melody Maker etc interviews (with the exception of the Calvert/Moorcock interview in MM 1978) please? Regards Ian From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Dec 8 00:27:30 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:27:30 +0000 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi ya, Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more of what is planned. I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one and another one but hard to justify getting all. If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best for us? Small aside:- I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound proof recording studio - duh!!!) I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which should also have a pay off with more official releases. The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of standard please contact me). So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways of marketing music. If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to hallucinate in? Chris From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 8 01:48:22 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:18:22 +1030 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: I like the idea of the 5.1 mix. That should be awesome for the Hawkwind sound. However I think cd's are great. Better than lp's and cassettes I like even less. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > Hi ya, > > Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more > of what is planned. > > I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one > and another one but hard to justify getting all. > > If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. > > But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best > for us? > > Small aside:- > I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. > In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial > CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it > sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never > fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen > tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound > proof recording studio - duh!!!) > > I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. > So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or > 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we > get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. > > But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, > and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the > same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. > Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking > marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) > > I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ > greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn > off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which > should also have a pay off with more official releases. > > The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD > standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives > 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of > standard please contact me). > > So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways > of marketing music. > > If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the > same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to > hallucinate in? > > Chris From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 8 02:07:47 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:07:47 +0800 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi there I like that idea. I'm not saying I don't like CD, but since DVD's have came along, I very rarely by a CD title now. Also, CD's seem so much easier to pirate than DVD's. I know that with the titles the band have in mind it may be unlikely to go to the same lengths as other artists, & do a full-blown DVD-Audio, but there are other possibilities to be had.For a start, they could do up something fairly simple to accompany the music, such as stills for the band, lyrics, etc., or even some simple psychedelic video effects. There's also the possibility of adding the occasional video clip as well? Even if it is still only enough material to fit on one CD (which they could do at the same time, & offer one over the other), the possibilities of all the other additions would not only make things more enticing to collectors, who would be happy to collect something in that format, even if it is already part of their CD collection, but it would also be rather unique, as we don't see too many artists do things such as this on a regular basis. There is software available that has the capabilities of putting together DVDs like this, such as WinOnCD DVD Edition. In many ways, I feel CDs are now becoming obsolete. They still sell, but I think more & more people are turning to DVDs. It is still possible to put your average audio CD on DVD, along with a number of interesting extras, such as a band discography. The only drawback I see is for those who want to listen to the music in the car or walkman, so another possibility is for a 2 disc set, containing both CD & DVD??? William ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > Hi ya, > > Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more > of what is planned. > > I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one > and another one but hard to justify getting all. > > If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. > > But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best > for us? > > Small aside:- > I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. > In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial > CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it > sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never > fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen > tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound > proof recording studio - duh!!!) > > I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. > So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or > 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we > get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. > > But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, > and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the > same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. > Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking > marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) > > I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ > greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn > off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which > should also have a pay off with more official releases. > > The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD > standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives > 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of > standard please contact me). > > So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways > of marketing music. > > If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the > same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to > hallucinate in? > > Chris > > > __________ NOD32 1.574 (20031206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 8 02:13:49 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:13:49 -0000 Subject: Hawklords Message-ID: Dave, Thanks, yes, sounds good (ouch! pun!) - can you scan or photocopy please? Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave hall" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Hawklords > Hawklords interview from Sounds. Any good? > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Abrahams > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: 06 December 2003 14:19 > Subject: HW: Hawklords > > > Folks, > > Is there any chance anybody out there has any contemporary music press > reviews of the Hawklords album and could do me a scan or photocopy - or any > Hawklords era NME/Sounds/Melody Maker etc interviews (with the exception of > the Calvert/Moorcock interview in MM 1978) please? > > Regards > Ian > > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 8 03:29:28 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:29:28 +0000 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: Dave, Recent results from the best album etc poll were great. Ever thought about doing one for fav song, or version of song? Eddie. >From: Dave Law >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:07:23 -0500 > >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:40:44 +0000, eddie jobson >wrote: > > >And you try and find a Glastonbury Fayre triple vinyl with the pyramid! >I've > >got it without and since the introduction of CD's, albums like this and > >greasy truckers seem to have gone down in price. Incidentally on the > >original Silver Machine without Lemmy singing, Calvert does the main >vocals, > >but someone is singing in the background (which sounds like different > >words), any idea who and what is being sung? > > > >Eddie. > > > > > >with regards to backing vocals on silver machine, i have in fromt of me a >Trev Hughes "Hawkfrendz" newsletter from January 91 (no not april!) and in >it is an open letter from a Lori Pompan who at the time was manager of >former Pink Fairy Twink, according to this and i quote - >"did you know that Twink was on Silver Machine on backing vocals" >ones to assume this to be genuine, so could this solve the mystery? >regards >dave _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Dec 8 09:00:19 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:00:19 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3FD40BC2.3080102@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: I think you are missing a point. CD's are portable, DVD's are not. I'm not lugging around nor buying a DVD portable just to listen to music. CD's don't suck. DVD's are simply a better medium for multimedia. Finally, CD players are more ubiquitous than DVD players. It's going to be a challenge to reach the 500 critical mass of subscribers to get this off the ground. Putting it in a media that is not as accessible would be financial suicide. So if Hawkwind wants to offer both that's great, but to simply offer DVDs only just wont work from a business perspective. Mike http://corwyn.blogspot.com the web log http://www.mikemontfort.com the web site the quote of the day is: Follow the grain in your own wood. -- Howard Thurman -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:28 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Hi ya, Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more of what is planned. I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one and another one but hard to justify getting all. If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best for us? Small aside:- I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound proof recording studio - duh!!!) I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which should also have a pay off with more official releases. The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of standard please contact me). So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways of marketing music. If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to hallucinate in? Chris From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 8 09:48:36 2003 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:48:36 +0800 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Even though I now spend more money on DVD's, there are occasions when I don't have access to a DVD player, & so listening to CD's are still the preferred medium if you are driving a car, for example. I don't think it would be a good idea to offer just DVDs either, though there might be means of doing a CD that can be listened to as is, but also operate in a multimedia fashion, for those with the technology. I have one like that (Roger Glover's Butterfly Ball), which has multimedia features if played on a computer with Quick Time. It may be possible to do that with CD's as well on DVD Players, a bit like how some DVD Audio discs work? I'm not too clued up on how the technology works, but DVD Audio works like an ordinary CD if the player is not compatible with the format, so maybe it's possible to do something similar with CD's, wherein you get multimedia features on a DVD player, & just the audio on a CD player? If they can get things like that to work using Quick Time on a PC, then there must be ways of doing this as well? Personally, I think the approach I suggested earlier is the easiest alternative, if the band were to consider doing them on DVD. Offering a choice of either medium, or giving them both a CD & DVD in the one package. There are a few releases that have taken the later approach. Of course, you could take it even further, & have 3 payment options, one for CD, another for DVD, & another for both? Or how about doing CD's for most of the time, & maybe once ofr twice during that period a special DVD release? Bye for now William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > I think you are missing a point. > > CD's are portable, DVD's are not. I'm not lugging around nor buying a DVD > portable just to listen to music. > > CD's don't suck. DVD's are simply a better medium for multimedia. > > Finally, CD players are more ubiquitous than DVD players. It's going to be a > challenge to reach the 500 critical mass of subscribers to get this off the > ground. Putting it in a media that is not as accessible would be financial > suicide. > > So if Hawkwind wants to offer both that's great, but to simply offer DVDs > only just wont work from a business perspective. > > Mike > > http://corwyn.blogspot.com > the web log > http://www.mikemontfort.com > the web site > the quote of the day is: > Follow the grain in your own wood. > -- Howard Thurman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of > chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:28 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > Hi ya, > > Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more > of what is planned. > > I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one > and another one but hard to justify getting all. > > If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. > > But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best > for us? > > Small aside:- > I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. > In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial > CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it > sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never > fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen > tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound > proof recording studio - duh!!!) > > I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. > So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or > 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we > get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. > > But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, > and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the > same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. > Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking > marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) > > I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ > greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn > off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which > should also have a pay off with more official releases. > > The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD > standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives > 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of > standard please contact me). > > So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways > of marketing music. > > If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the > same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to > hallucinate in? > > Chris > > > __________ NOD32 1.574 (20031206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Dec 8 10:57:09 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:57:09 -0500 Subject: HW:Acid Daze volume 1 Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:29:28 +0000, eddie jobson wrote: >Dave, > >Recent results from the best album etc poll were great. Ever thought about >doing one for fav song, or version of song? > >Eddie. > > thanks for the kind words eddie!, i definatly think that there are other areas such as those that were suggested by yourself that i can look at in the future, but for now i'm still accepting visitor profiles for the current poles, so if you haven't done so already please fill out one! just click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage22.htm folks may (or may not!) also be interested in some new pictures that i've just posted top the museum site, these were kindly donated by former Hawkwind vocalist Bridget Wishart, to have a look click on http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/newpage34.htm i think you'll agree that they are worth a look! thanks for your time regards dave www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 8 12:10:00 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:10:00 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3FD40BC2.3080102@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:27:30AM +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: => I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the => current tour. [[...]] => Small aside:- => I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. => In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial => CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it => sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. [[ Various technical-sounding mumbo jumbo pseudo-science deleted. ]] => The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD => standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives => 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of => standard please contact me). The great thing about DVD standards is that there are so many from which to choose! :-) That would be one strike against Hawkwind using it. At least with audio CD they know they're selling something that will play on everyone's little-silver-platter players. (Recall the confusing "will this play on my player?" thread that attended the Huw PAL DVD release.) As for "the audio CD is going to die soon" (file under "death of Usenet" and other related prognostications:), that may be true ultimately, but CDs will still be playable for some time to come. New format vendors have learned that a "clean break" does not wow the customers as much as a good transition. So, witness the huge crop of DVD players that will also play CD and CD-RW. (I think there's some special logo/designation and marketing slogan to indicate this.) So, even if CD players died off virtually overnight, CDs themselves would still be a safe bet as far as a transport medium goes, because they'd still be playable (unlike the reverse). => So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways => of marketing music. As someone has pointed out, it'll be hard enough for Hawkwind to get 500 people sign up for something safe and conventional like CD. Throwing DVD---with all its format madness---into the mix is not a good business decision from their perspective. The existing proposal is risky enough. => If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the => same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to => hallucinate in? Why 96 KHz? (Was it because of that de facto pseudo-standard you mentioned?) Why not 192 KHz? Why not increase the bit depth to 24-bit whilst you're at it? Why stop at 5 channels? More importantly, why do any of that? I'm serious. I have two related observations that you appear to have overlooked: 1) Source matters! 2) You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. As you said way back in the beginning, these are likely soundboard recordings. I don't know exactly how Colin is doing these, but I'm assuming that during the sound check he finds a mix he likes (in terms of balance and dynamics), and then this mix is recorded to DAT during the show, i.e., as 48 KHz 16-bit stereo. Anything you do after that is smoke and mirrors. Okay, so you resample it to 96 KHz. Have you increased the sound quality? No, and in fact, you might actually degrade it depending upon how you do the resampling. So you decide to invent some new channels to do some kind of stereo -> surround sound conversion. Will this sound better? Again, it's doubtful; the best surround sound mixes are done from the ground up using multi-track masters. Sure, a "surround sound" mix will sound "different", but not necessarily better (and likely worse). (Importantly, a good surround sound mix takes effort, and more effort means more expense.) In other words, if you want true audio quality, you need to work for it at all stages. I'm not suggesting for a moment that these CDs will sound bad. (On the contrary, I think Colin does good work!) But I *am* countering the notion that by releasing these as regular CDs that the quality will be sub-par compared to releasing them as DVDs. That is just a fallacy. As with lots of things in the digital realm, there is a lot of marketing hype with which men in suits have worked hard to indoctrinate the public. One predominant meme is "bigger numbers is better." We see this a lot in computing, where the "faster CPU clock speed means a faster system" marketing slogan became a touchstone. (Unfortunately, life is not as simple as that, if you are talking about overall system speed, i.e., realised performance.) In digital audio is appears that "higher sample rates are better" is the mantra (followed closely by "bigger bit-depths are better.") This can be true, but it is not necessarily true. This is *especially* pertinent for consumer-grade mass market equipment, which may not use, shall we say, the finest quality components. (Have you ever considered what is the *real* resolution of a DAC?) If you are worried about the sound quality of your audio, you should actually be more worried about the quality of the analogue components of your system (and that includes the analogue stages in your DVD player). A cheap DVD player is likely to be just that: a great potential with a lousy realisation. A good CD player will beat it hands down *every time*. (BTW, there is a DVD-Audio standard (DVD-A), but the mastering software is not commonplace, like for other DVD applications, and is somewhat expensive. It is also targeted at studio-quality sourced projects.) The only sense, IMHO, in doing DVD releases right now is to release videos. If you want a bit of multimedia content (pictures, lyrics, and a bit of digital video), you can even bung that onto a regular CD by making a mixed-mode CD. (Granted, it's not nearly the capacity, but for simple things like info and pictures it works remarkably well.) Cheers, Paul. obFullDisclosure: I don't own a DVD-capable playback device, so would definitely not be interested in Collector's Club releases in that format at this point in time. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Dec 8 16:10:09 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:10:09 -0500 Subject: HW:off Urgent request for help In-Reply-To: <20031203184943.A13496@telepres.com>; from erics@TELEPRES.COM on Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:49:43PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:49:43PM -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: > As well, I'll ask around work [for an Ericsson R520m] No luck, I'm afraid. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 8 16:22:12 2003 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:22:12 -0000 Subject: RFM Xmas CD's Vids Turner, Tree, Trev, Bainbridge, ICU........ Message-ID: "Spacerock Supergroup Frenzy" Space Ritual/ Mother of All Bands now on DVD both NTSC (American) or PAL formats "Hamburg Live" Bajina CD, Ron Tree/Judge Trev first ever gig together at Hamburg Hawkfest remastered Music and Vid/DVD from: Nik Turner, Inner City Unit, Trajic Roundabout, Judge Trev, Atomgods, Harvey Bainbridge, Mr Quimby's Beard, 2000 DS, Bleeding Hearts, Rick Welsh (Nik Turners All Stars), Ralph Beauvert, Gaia Consort, Schnusic CD's http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html Vid/DVD http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html CD's from: Larry Wallis, Mick Farren, Andy Colquhoun, Wayne Kramer, Pink Fairies, Steve Peregrine Took, Tyrannosaurus Rex, Johnny Thunders, John's Children http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music-older.html RFM - Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Cd's, Reviews, Vids, Downloads, Forum, Healers, News From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Dec 8 17:46:59 2003 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:46:59 -0000 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Flippin eck!!!! The band have come up with one of the best ideas I've heard of in decades, and everyone seems to be whingeing!! Lets get real here, I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition over such a great opportunity to get hold of some "exclusive" material, endorsed by the band. CD's are great, I still like vinyl, DVD's are great too, so what??? Peace, Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > Even though I now spend more money on DVD's, there are occasions when I > don't have access to a DVD player, & so listening to CD's are still the > preferred medium if you are driving a car, for example. I don't think it > would be a good idea to offer just DVDs either, though there might be means > of doing a CD that can be listened to as is, but also operate in a > multimedia fashion, for those with the technology. I have one like that > (Roger Glover's Butterfly Ball), which has multimedia features if played on > a computer with Quick Time. It may be possible to do that with CD's as well > on DVD Players, a bit like how some DVD Audio discs work? I'm not too clued > up on how the technology works, but DVD Audio works like an ordinary CD if > the player is not compatible with the format, so maybe it's possible to do > something similar with CD's, wherein you get multimedia features on a DVD > player, & just the audio on a CD player? If they can get things like that to > work using Quick Time on a PC, then there must be ways of doing this as > well? > > Personally, I think the approach I suggested earlier is the easiest > alternative, if the band were to consider doing them on DVD. Offering a > choice of either medium, or giving them both a CD & DVD in the one package. > There are a few releases that have taken the later approach. Of course, you > could take it even further, & have 3 payment options, one for CD, another > for DVD, & another for both? Or how about doing CD's for most of the time, & > maybe once ofr twice during that period a special DVD release? > > Bye for now > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > > I think you are missing a point. > > > > CD's are portable, DVD's are not. I'm not lugging around nor buying a DVD > > portable just to listen to music. > > > > CD's don't suck. DVD's are simply a better medium for multimedia. > > > > Finally, CD players are more ubiquitous than DVD players. It's going to be > a > > challenge to reach the 500 critical mass of subscribers to get this off > the > > ground. Putting it in a media that is not as accessible would be > financial > > suicide. > > > > So if Hawkwind wants to offer both that's great, but to simply offer DVDs > > only just wont work from a business perspective. > > > > Mike > > > > http://corwyn.blogspot.com > > the web log > > http://www.mikemontfort.com > > the web site > > the quote of the day is: > > Follow the grain in your own wood. > > -- Howard Thurman > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of > > chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:28 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > > > > Hi ya, > > > > Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more > > of what is planned. > > > > I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > > current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one > > and another one but hard to justify getting all. > > > > If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. > > > > But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best > > for us? > > > > Small aside:- > > I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. > > In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial > > CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it > > sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never > > fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen > > tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound > > proof recording studio - duh!!!) > > > > I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. > > So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or > > 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we > > get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. > > > > But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, > > and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the > > same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. > > Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking > > marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) > > > > I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ > > greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn > > off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which > > should also have a pay off with more official releases. > > > > The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD > > standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives > > 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of > > standard please contact me). > > > > So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways > > of marketing music. > > > > If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the > > same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to > > hallucinate in? > > > > Chris > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.574 (20031206) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Dec 8 18:04:58 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:04:58 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Reel to reel is actually the best, but noone probably cares. :-) Wassail, Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Storer" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > Flippin eck!!!! > The band have come up with one of the best ideas I've heard of in decades, > and everyone seems to be whingeing!! > Lets get real here, > I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition over such a great opportunity > to get hold of some "exclusive" material, endorsed by the band. > CD's are great, I still like vinyl, DVD's are great too, so what??? > Peace, > Mark. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > > Even though I now spend more money on DVD's, there are occasions when I > > don't have access to a DVD player, & so listening to CD's are still the > > preferred medium if you are driving a car, for example. I don't think it > > would be a good idea to offer just DVDs either, though there might be > means > > of doing a CD that can be listened to as is, but also operate in a > > multimedia fashion, for those with the technology. I have one like that > > (Roger Glover's Butterfly Ball), which has multimedia features if played > on > > a computer with Quick Time. It may be possible to do that with CD's as > well > > on DVD Players, a bit like how some DVD Audio discs work? I'm not too > clued > > up on how the technology works, but DVD Audio works like an ordinary CD if > > the player is not compatible with the format, so maybe it's possible to do > > something similar with CD's, wherein you get multimedia features on a DVD > > player, & just the audio on a CD player? If they can get things like that > to > > work using Quick Time on a PC, then there must be ways of doing this as > > well? > > > > Personally, I think the approach I suggested earlier is the easiest > > alternative, if the band were to consider doing them on DVD. Offering a > > choice of either medium, or giving them both a CD & DVD in the one > package. > > There are a few releases that have taken the later approach. Of course, > you > > could take it even further, & have 3 payment options, one for CD, another > > for DVD, & another for both? Or how about doing CD's for most of the time, > & > > maybe once ofr twice during that period a special DVD release? > > > > Bye for now > > William > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:00 PM > > Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > > > > > I think you are missing a point. > > > > > > CD's are portable, DVD's are not. I'm not lugging around nor buying a > DVD > > > portable just to listen to music. > > > > > > CD's don't suck. DVD's are simply a better medium for multimedia. > > > > > > Finally, CD players are more ubiquitous than DVD players. It's going to > be > > a > > > challenge to reach the 500 critical mass of subscribers to get this off > > the > > > ground. Putting it in a media that is not as accessible would be > > financial > > > suicide. > > > > > > So if Hawkwind wants to offer both that's great, but to simply offer > DVDs > > > only just wont work from a business perspective. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > http://corwyn.blogspot.com > > > the web log > > > http://www.mikemontfort.com > > > the web site > > > the quote of the day is: > > > Follow the grain in your own wood. > > > -- Howard Thurman > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of > > > chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:28 AM > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > Hi ya, > > > > > > Like others I'm very interested in these CD's but want to know much more > > > of what is planned. > > > > > > I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > > > current tour. Personally if thats the deal I'd want maybe the best one > > > and another one but hard to justify getting all. > > > > > > If they cover a span of Hawkwind its a different matter. > > > > > > But I thought about this, what is the best thing for Hawkwind and best > > > for us? > > > > > > Small aside:- > > > I don't like CD I never have liked CD. I've had a DVD for 2 years. > > > In my life I have bought exactly as many music DVD as I have commercial > > > CD. I have 6 music DVD (last of big spenders!!!) I like vynal cause it > > > sounds good. My ears ain't great, but DVD is OK. CD sucks. (I never > > > fell for the you can hear the birds in the street trick CD salesmen > > > tried - since when can you hear birds in the street when your in a sound > > > proof recording studio - duh!!!) > > > > > > I don't think I'm alone in my prejudice, even dvd sales suggest I'm not. > > > So if like 500 of us said "don't give us music cd - give us 48k shn or > > > 48k mp2 instead" Its not putting Hawkwind to any extra trouble and we > > > get something better, like in the sense of value thats worth paying for. > > > > > > But why not take it a step further, spend a day doing a simple 5.1 mix, > > > and like give us 5.1 ac3 on a cd. Production cost of cd is exactly the > > > same, Hawkwind is going to sound great in 5.1 without too much effort. > > > Hawkwind get credit for doing hi-tech hi-quality ground breaking > > > marketing. We get stuff that sounds cool:-) > > > > > > I have a feeling if something were done that way there would be _much_ > > > greater interest than there already is. Its a 'turn on' not a 'turn > > > off' to go away from music cd standard and try something better, which > > > should also have a pay off with more official releases. > > > > > > The audio CD is going to die soon. Already there is an unofficial DVD > > > standard used (only???) for classical music that is 96k audio and gives > > > 1 frame of video (ie a title) for each track (anyone with details of > > > standard please contact me). > > > > > > So Hawkwind fans could be used as guinea pigs to try out different ways > > > of marketing music. > > > > > > If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the > > > same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to > > > hallucinate in? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.574 (20031206) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 10 10:19:11 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:19:11 GMT Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Mark Storer's message of Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: Mark Storer writes: > Flippin eck!!!! > The band have come up with one of the best ideas I've heard of in decades, > and everyone seems to be whingeing!! Folks are just followin' tradition. It don't mean nuthin' FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Dec 10 14:10:29 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:10:29 EST Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/2003 11:22:56 AM Atlantic Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > The band have come up with one of the best ideas I've heard of in decades, > >and everyone seems to be whingeing!! > > WHINGEING......whets this then? Best regards, Bill (King of Scots) Stewart From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 10 17:30:21 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:30:21 -0000 Subject: Astoria night Message-ID: It's getting closer! Has anyone decided on a pre-gig pub meeting place yet? I'm sure there were divided preferences last time but I can't remember what the choices were. Is anyone else staying overnight in London? I've got my accommodation sorted out but I know there are still people thinking about where to stay who would appreciate some (not too expensive!) recommendations. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 10 18:52:16 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:52:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: hawk-Vind . KoM - ooohs a cheeky boy den? In-Reply-To: <002701c3910d$4a059cb0$63e7223f@DrSBlackman> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Michael Blackman wrote: > hey man - I',m getting olderer and greyer and gradually balder > awaiting all the cool update schhtuuuufff for the HawkVind.KoM > > wasn't there going to be an online order page and theres still the > uncompleted video section and what about the download section for > passport people and I seem to recall an imminent installment of the > online Hawkwind virtual concert full immersion VR software complete > with large breasted groupie chick audience mode option. (now theres > an audience you'd be happy to be crushed in) wait..... no....... the > VR software I heard about in my recent time travel trip 100 years into > the future. Come to think of it all those updates were still pending > even then - thus this letter. Will the new single have come out by then? The album? Will it in fact by then just be Dave in the band cybernetically replicated to play all instruments by brain-waves alone? > lets all send a fiver in to get the HawkVinD dOt Kom site happenin ehhhhh? My guess is that Rik's getting better money for his other projects. I'm not however going to try to guess how hard this would be. Your six-monthly dose of cynicism from, Jon (who *will* be able to afford to go to the Xmas Party!) ObCD-R: Fiction - _DNA, The Brain, The Universe_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 08:45:06 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:45:06 GMT Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! Message-ID: That University previously mentioned now has no fewer than six places where you can speak freely: http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=texas_tech_120903.html From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Dec 11 09:04:59 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:04:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind: Astoria Update Message-ID: + + + +STAR WARRIORS + + + + We can now announce that: Lene Lovich will be guesting with us at Astoria Arthur can't make this gig, but Huwie will be there and will be doing some acoustic work........ PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE XMAS GIGS ALWAYS SELL OUT GET YOUR TICKETS NOW TO AVAID DISSAPOINTMENT: SEE MISSION CONTROL FOR FULL DETAILS: www.hawkwind.com + + ++ + + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + ++ + From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 11 09:06:06 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:06:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: <200312111345.hBBDj65o024754@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:45:06PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => That University previously mentioned now has no fewer than six places => where you can speak freely: => => http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=texas_tech_120903.html Are these like the free speech areas into which President Bush corrals protesters during his campaign and official visits? (Areas that are so far away from where he is appearing or passing by that they are literally out of his sight. They are also areas into which pro-Bush supporters are not required to be confined.) I wonder if someone will file a lawsuit complaining of overcrowding in these campus free speech areas. I would imagine such overcrowding would cause a lot of pain and suffering and undue emotional distress. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 09:51:40 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:51:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:45:06PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => That University previously mentioned now has no fewer than six places > => where you can speak freely: > => > => http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=texas_tech_120903.html > > Are these like the free speech areas into which President Bush corrals > protesters during his campaign and official visits? Who knows? I can't be a protestor because I have a day job (and let's face it, because "You can't borrow your way out of debt dumbass!" isn't as telegenic as some of the other, albeit less accurate, banners) and the nearest I've ever been to an official Bush campaign is a flashing "W" badge that someone ( a pal who's the son of a Republican Party bigwig) gave me and which I use to locate the tent at night at Glasters. > (Areas that are > so far away from where he is appearing or passing by that they are > literally out of his sight. I daresay he needs room to squeeze in the two and a half phalanxes of armed guards who accompany him on these walkabouts. > They are also areas into which pro-Bush > supporters are not required to be confined.) Not that it makes much difference since both the folks inside the conferences and outside are anti free-trade. The folks inside are just more willing to be hypoccritical about it. > I wonder if someone will file a lawsuit complaining of overcrowding in > these campus free speech areas. I would imagine such overcrowding > would cause a lot of pain and suffering and undue emotional distress. You've missed a key point: people who want free speech don't suffer from feelings of oppression. They cause them. What's clearly needed is another Amendment that says: "Nobody has a right to never feel upset. There's upsetting shit going on. Deal with it." FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Dec 11 12:34:42 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:42 +0000 Subject: NYC Greg Ridley memorial concert: New info Message-ID: Hello once again, I just wanted to inform you all that I have just confirmed the date and location of our 'NYC Greg Ridley memorial concert'. I'll send you all more detailed info soon, but here is the basic stuff.. Please share this with your subscribers and/or website visitors. We want people to be aware of this special event. Date: February 21 Place: The Baggot Inn, Greenwich Village, New York City ( Lower West Side) http://www.baggotinn.com Time: approximately 9:30 PM until closing bands and time slots: 10-11 PM The One Eyed Bishops (and guests) http://www.theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com 11-12 PM Four Day Creep ( NYC Humble Pie tribute act) There will be special guests, so come out for this show!!!! admission: $5.00 at the door anyone who wishes to ask any questions may either e-mail the club, or The OEBs at: Sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ?switch? rules are taking effect ? find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 11 14:03:11 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:03:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria night Message-ID: I always like the idea of a beer in the Fitzroy Tavern - simply for the great directions ('walk up Tottenham Court Road from Oxford Street and turn left at the Rising Sun') - who however's organising the pre-gig venue for beer this time around - please remember the lack of food in the pub at walthamstow last year :-) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Astoria night > It's getting closer! Has anyone decided on a pre-gig pub meeting > place yet? I'm sure there were divided preferences last time but I > can't remember what the choices were. > > Is anyone else staying overnight in London? I've got my accommodation > sorted out but I know there are still people thinking about where to > stay who would appreciate some (not too expensive!) recommendations. > > cheers > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Dec 11 19:39:22 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:39:22 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Astoria Update Message-ID: > > PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE XMAS GIGS ALWAYS SELL OUT > GET YOUR TICKETS NOW TO AVAID DISSAPOINTMENT: A. It's already sold out (if my information is right) B. There's only one "S" in capitalised "disappointment" C. I may be wrong on point (A), but if you're putting out an official Hawkwind information statement, at least spell it right. Yours in pedantry, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Dec 11 19:39:50 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:39:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria night Message-ID: Well, I'll be in the Angel (as ever). Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria night > I always like the idea of a beer in the Fitzroy Tavern - simply for the > great directions ('walk up Tottenham Court Road from Oxford Street and turn > left at the Rising Sun') - who however's organising the pre-gig venue for > beer this time around - please remember the lack of food in the pub at > walthamstow last year :-) > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Strobridge" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 PM > Subject: Astoria night > > > > It's getting closer! Has anyone decided on a pre-gig pub meeting > > place yet? I'm sure there were divided preferences last time but I > > can't remember what the choices were. > > > > Is anyone else staying overnight in London? I've got my accommodation > > sorted out but I know there are still people thinking about where to > > stay who would appreciate some (not too expensive!) recommendations. > > > > cheers > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Fri Dec 12 01:00:09 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:00:09 +0000 Subject: Hawk midi??? Message-ID: Hi ya, Does anyone know if any Hawkwind or related 'music' has been covered by midi mucisians? If not (or even if there is) is there interest in trying to create some? Anyone capable of creating a drum track? Another the bass and so. until something happens we can all groove to? (an interesting experimment) Maybe a kinda virtual cosmic jam, Even if people don't have midi they could use a tracker or something to add their stuff. Especially if anyone can create a decent midi drum track I want some help with an idea (slightly different experiment), Ability to do something interesting to free form kinda disturbing kinda ambient kinda manic sounds as well as ability to do rock riffs is probably what I need. Or maybe just imagination and a sense of rythm Chris From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Fri Dec 12 01:01:05 2003 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:01:05 +0000 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi ya, Paul Mather wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:27:30AM +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: > > => I get the impression they will all be soundboard recordings from the > => current tour. > [[...]] > => Small aside:- It was meant to be just that. But I maintain anyone (with ok hearing not special hearing) can tell the difference between 44.1 and 48k its a lot. > > The great thing about DVD standards is that there are so many from > which to choose! :-) That would be one strike against Hawkwind using > it. At least with audio CD they know they're selling something that > will play on everyone's little-silver-platter players. (Recall the > confusing "will this play on my player?" thread that attended the Huw > PAL DVD release.) No! That's just not the case. There is exactly one official dvd standard. A 'standard' like DAD must conform to DVD standard first! So saying a disk is DAD means it will play on your dvd player. Its not like the kareoke cd standard which requires special firmware to read sub channels. The V in dvd is for versitile, you can do much more than just put audio / visual content on a dvd, you can have quite complex user interaction more so than just 'menu trees', a wide range of audio and video quality is possible. > > As someone has pointed out, it'll be hard enough for Hawkwind to get > 500 people sign up for something safe and conventional like CD. > Throwing DVD---with all its format madness---into the mix is not a > good business decision from their perspective. The existing proposal > is risky enough. > Given the people on this list are most of the 500??? or between us we know the 500 its more than doable. What I was actually suggesting was not a 'standard' just dump 48k audio on a cd filesystem leave it to us to convert to a cd if we wish or we can play the higher quality audio on whatever we got. Its not difficult. There is no dvd standard nonsense (ok try to burn your own video dvd with motion menus, mulitiple camera angles, multiple ac3 and mp2 audio tracks - I've no idea if you can on Microsoft OS, on linux 'we' can and if 'we' find a dvd that won't work in a particular dvd player 'we' fix the software till it does. Stuff I've seen to create dvd on windows does not seem to allow you to do much - unless you pay over ?2,000) The only 'dvd standard hassle' is really for DVD-R and DVD-RW. Both dvd+ and dvd- are equal with respect to what you can do with DVDR. Both standards meet the current official dvd standard. There is a slight difference regarding how you can use RW media, but not enougth to care about. Existing proposal is a winner > > As you said way back in the beginning, these are likely soundboard > recordings. I don't know exactly how Colin is doing these, but I'm > assuming that during the sound check he finds a mix he likes (in terms > of balance and dynamics), and then this mix is recorded to DAT during > the show, i.e., as 48 KHz 16-bit stereo. > > Anything you do after that is smoke and mirrors. > > Okay, so you resample it to 96 KHz. Have you increased the sound > quality? No, and in fact, you might actually degrade it depending > upon how you do the resampling. > Thats my assumption but I have no idea really what is a soundboard or what you can do with one. I just 'assume' there must be 48k because DAT is 48k, but given modern proffessional soundcards for the pc do 128k maybe Hawkwind PA is up-to-date and starts out really good. I have no idea but 48k is so simple to do... You sould never alter sample rate upwards - unless you must because you want to make a cd. Doing so _will_ result in distortion. But down sampling also results in distortion, though its fairly easy to treat;-) > So you decide to invent some new channels to do some kind of stereo -> > surround sound conversion. Will this sound better? Again, it's > doubtful; the best surround sound mixes are done from the ground up > using multi-track masters. Sure, a "surround sound" mix will sound > "different", but not necessarily better (and likely worse). From a stereo mix you can calculate what used to be called enhanced stereo and super stereo, you can calculate 5.1 stereo just as Floyd (and others) converted certain mono tracks to stereo in the early 70's. Cheapo 5.1 low-fi makes reasonable job of stereo cd in 5.1 mode. I'm sure Hawkwind can do better than that without using any ceribral effort!!! > This can be true, but it is not necessarily true. This is > *especially* pertinent for consumer-grade mass market equipment, which > may not use, shall we say, the finest quality components. (Have you > ever considered what is the *real* resolution of a DAC?) > Yup!!! I got a socket A motherboard that has via82c833 chip. That is certainly not the best chip but it performs as well as my 'proper' card. But I prefer a Audigy2 cause its more usefull and has much better midi, the DAC is worth the price. If I need to I can use both cards to record, and I'll get the channels to synch OK:-) If I were in any way 'proffessional' I'd want a card capable of recording at 128k but at moment they are >= ?1,000 or they were last time I looked. If you got something like a soundblaster live you actually have a better DAC than most recording studios had in the 80's !!!! If you can't take full advantage of your kit change operating system. > If you are worried about the sound quality of your audio, you should > actually be more worried about the quality of the analogue components > of your system (and that includes the analogue stages in your DVD > player). A cheap DVD player is likely to be just that: a great > potential with a lousy realisation. A good CD player will beat it > hands down *every time*. > I think you miss the point. (Ok I don't actually have a tv as such so I have no dedicated dvd-payer) A pc dvd player costs less than ?50 the only 'analoge' stage is the ad converter to mantain compatibility with pc analogue audio cd input. Most pc dvdplayer has also a digital audio out now, and good cheep soundcards like soundblaster live really are fine hi-fi devices, hell ancient cards like Ensonique and GUS sound great. So computer is very much the center of my hi-fi, its how I control 2 cheep 5.1 sound systems and an old 80's Hi-fi. The result is supprisingly cool. Almost by accident I've ended up with 3 tv cards in the pc, so its possible to watch 3 different channels at once each on its own hi-fi for sound. (definately you can't do that on MS, on linux the limit is four cards). Speaking to people that use dedicated DVD players I get the impression the cheeper players are actually better than mid range players in that they are less choosy about what they will play and what they reject. The video quality will be limeted not by the dvd player but the tv its played on. All you really get for extra money is 'better' sound ie speakers and ability to play propriety formats. Yea I can record tv from digital source, either encoding to mpeg in hardware or I can record to avi and do encoding with software. I can get the video at a higher bit rate than dvd standard allows! Probably you only need spend about ?200 to get this functionality. Why do you feel need to spend money to get quality? Pick your kit with care, technology is very cheep now. Sometimes you'll get better results from a second hand ?10 Hauppauge card than you will from a new one costing ?150 - depends on what you are doing or more importantly _how_ you want to do it. A second hand dxr3 card (Hollywood+) is all you need for tv out (?20 secondhand and they have _great_ audio + they give you hardware de-coding) > (BTW, there is a DVD-Audio standard (DVD-A), but the mastering software > is not commonplace, like for other DVD applications, and is somewhat > expensive. It is also targeted at studio-quality sourced projects.) > Do you have details about this? Have you tried linux lately??? The software is free. Not simple to use but even old versions of dvdauthor are capable of any DVD audio standards I'm aware of. The only audio standard I have problem with is SACD like pink floyd dsotm. You need special player that might or might not also be a dvd. I think relience on non-standard hardware means the take-up for the standard will be small, there is no advantage over using dvd instead. If it does become popular pc drives will appear. Something thats been driving the evolution of my pc (The 'GigaHawk') was my desire to offer a video dvd of kinetic playground - sadly that ain't going to happen. A desire to clean up an ICU recording (which I'm trying again now, this time it'll work - I hope). and I want to do an audio cd created entirely on gigahawk to see if ya like it. And maybe add video later. Sorry I'm getting completely off track - Man! heres how Fuc&ed up my life is right now. - I've never done coke, I'd quite like to once to see what the fuss is about, went to doctor yesterday and she perscribed me 1.5 grames of cocaine - Guess what? It ain't white powder:-( It ain't for up the nose either;-( Chris From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 02:44:16 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:44:16 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Astoria Update Message-ID: Whoops - sorry. There should have been a ":-)" after that! :-) Cheers, Rich. > > > > PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE XMAS GIGS ALWAYS SELL OUT > > GET YOUR TICKETS NOW TO AVAID DISSAPOINTMENT: > > A. It's already sold out (if my information is right) > B. There's only one "S" in capitalised "disappointment" > C. I may be wrong on point (A), but if you're putting out an official > Hawkwind information statement, at least spell it right. > > Yours in pedantry, > > Rich. > From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Fri Dec 12 03:14:36 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:14:36 +0100 Subject: Hawk midi??? In-Reply-To: <3FD95969.1030008@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Hi, I have Quark Strangeness & Charm as midi file and use it as ringtone for my mobile...and no, i have no idea how to create a track. --BArt Citeren "chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET" : > Hi ya, > > Does anyone know if any Hawkwind or related 'music' has been covered by > midi mucisians? > > If not (or even if there is) is there interest in trying to create some? > Anyone capable of creating a drum track? > Another the bass and so. until something happens we can all groove to? > (an interesting experimment) > > Maybe a kinda virtual cosmic jam, Even if people don't have midi they > could use a tracker or something to add their stuff. > > Especially if anyone can create a decent midi drum track I want some > help with an idea (slightly different experiment), Ability to do > something interesting to free form kinda disturbing kinda ambient kinda > manic sounds as well as ability to do rock riffs is probably what I > need. Or maybe just imagination and a sense of rythm > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 03:10:40 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:10:40 -0000 Subject: Hawklords Message-ID: Ian I'll dig it out and photocopy it. When do you need it by? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 08 December 2003 07:14 Subject: Re: Hawklords >Dave, > >Thanks, yes, sounds good (ouch! pun!) - can you scan or photocopy please? > >Regards >Ian > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dave hall" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:04 PM >Subject: Re: Hawklords > > >> Hawklords interview from Sounds. Any good? >> Dave >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Abrahams >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: 06 December 2003 14:19 >> Subject: HW: Hawklords >> >> >> Folks, >> >> Is there any chance anybody out there has any contemporary music press >> reviews of the Hawklords album and could do me a scan or photocopy - or >any >> Hawklords era NME/Sounds/Melody Maker etc interviews (with the exception >of >> the Calvert/Moorcock interview in MM 1978) please? >> >> Regards >> Ian >> >> > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Dec 12 06:07:00 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:07:00 +0100 Subject: Hawklords Message-ID: Can you send it trough to me too? thanks Filip.Vanhuyse at pandora.be ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave hall" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Hawklords > Ian > I'll dig it out and photocopy it. When do you need it by? > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Abrahams > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: 08 December 2003 07:14 > Subject: Re: Hawklords > > > >Dave, > > > >Thanks, yes, sounds good (ouch! pun!) - can you scan or photocopy please? > > > >Regards > >Ian > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "dave hall" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:04 PM > >Subject: Re: Hawklords > > > > > >> Hawklords interview from Sounds. Any good? > >> Dave > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ian Abrahams > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Date: 06 December 2003 14:19 > >> Subject: HW: Hawklords > >> > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> Is there any chance anybody out there has any contemporary music press > >> reviews of the Hawklords album and could do me a scan or photocopy - or > >any > >> Hawklords era NME/Sounds/Melody Maker etc interviews (with the exception > >of > >> the Calvert/Moorcock interview in MM 1978) please? > >> > >> Regards > >> Ian > >> > >> > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 06:18:32 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:18:32 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria night In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:03:11 -0000 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > I always like the idea of a beer in the Fitzroy Tavern - simply for the > great directions ('walk up Tottenham Court Road from Oxford Street and turn > left at the Rising Sun') - who however's organising the pre-gig venue for > beer this time around - please remember the lack of food in the pub at > walthamstow last year :-) We had some cheap and nice food last Astoria at the Angel bar once we finally found it. I'd be in favour of eating there and then heading for a drink at that ex-club place where I met Nick Lee last time. The beer there was good and I was stunned by the, errrr, scenery. This time though, we'd have to use Multipmap. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 06:22:24 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:22:24 GMT Subject: Hawk midi??? In-Reply-To: Bart Brugmans's message of Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:14:36 +0100 Message-ID: Bart Brugmans writes: > Hi, > > I have Quark Strangeness & Charm as midi file and use it as ringtone for my > mobile...and no, i have no idea how to create a track. If I could have the violin intro to Hassan I Sabha as a ringtone, I might even buy a mobile. I've been hanging out for the watch-mobiles where there's no speaker and you have to stick your finger in your ear to hear the conversation by bone conduction. FoFP From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Dec 12 08:12:08 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:12:08 +0100 Subject: Astoria night, PT, Lem, more... Message-ID: Jill said... >Is anyone else staying overnight in London? I've got my accommodation >sorted out but I know there are still people thinking about where to >stay who would appreciate some (not too expensive!) recommendations. Yeah, me for one. What's 'affordable' and reasonably close? Denis, what did you find? So, looking forward to this 'holiday' vacation. It comes at the end of a great run for concerts here in the central Europe area. Two weeks ago, I caught Porcupine Tree in Olten, which I refer to as the Breezewood of Switzerland, which probably won't be understood to more than one or two listmembers, but hey. Its train station is three times as large as it should be based on the city's population, but it lies precisely in the middle of a rectangle with Basel, Bern, Luzern, and Zuerich at the four corners. Anyway, it was a good show...not quite as hot as the show in Zuerich four or five months ago, but that one was sizzling (in more ways than one). The Olten show featured unusual tracks like Moon Touches Your Shoulder and Fadeaway, though the latter was rather disappointing as Wesley sang it in some falsetto voice that was really quite dreadful. And they wasted a lot of time on this boring Russia on Ice 'prog-opus' thing from Lightbulb Sun. Actually, I'm happy that they focus mainly on stuff from the new album, as it's really quite good in its own way. They're really not much of a psychedelic band anymore (which is a little sad, though I feel less discouraged as now they seem to be a pretty decent 'prog-metallish' band without the predictability of 'prog-metal' such as Dream Theater and their ilk...which is in fact what Russia on Ice sounds like), so perhaps there's a good reason why they should jettison the 'classic' material (that most of the new fans don't even really know). Sadly, they didn't play Tinto Brass this time, but still amazing things like Creater had a Mastertape were enough to give this show high marks. Last week was Procol Harum in Zuerich...I'd seen them once before on the previous reunion following the Prodigal Stranger album (that I thought was acceptable)....so about 10 years ago? It was at a open-air food festival in Cleveland, actually on a temp. stage set up about where the Rock n' Roll Hall of Shame sits today I believe. That was an ok show, but lots of the people probably had no idea who the hell was playing (I think Donnie Iris opened the show, and he probably drew more fans), and it was 'free' to anyone who paid admission to the food fest I think. That was fine, but not amazing or anything. This show in Zuerich was really quite impressive. Of course, the only people under 50 were myself and the children (or grandchildren) of some of the audience members who couldn't find babysitters. But it was a packed house of 1,200 or so, and the band was playing their final show of the world tour, and were extra 'playful' and seemingly picked songs at random towards the end of the show. And they went on nearly 2 full hours by the end of the encores. I was over by Matt Fisher the whole time, and it was nice to watch him work up close...it looks like he essentially plays the same Hammond organ that was used for the recordings from 1967. And Brooker's voice hasn't changed one bit....but I think he always sounded 60 years old when he was just 25, so I guess that's an advantage. Presumably he hasn't done so much long touring in the last 20 + years, and so his voice is hardly shot, but rather sailed right through easily. I was happy that they played some cool tracks like Cerdes and Homburg, and the 'rockier' ones like Whisky Train and Simple Sister were pretty heavy for such a 'subtle' band. A Salty Dog is a wonderful studio track, but it proved nigh on impossible to reproduce on stage, it being so full of incidentals and orchestration...but it was still nice to hear it live. Really surprisingly good show, that turned out to be worth the high ticket price in the end. Last night was Motorhead in Zuerich...different club, but very nearly the same size, strangely enough on *their* very last show of a long world tour. I had seen them way back at the outset of Phase 1, in a club in Basel. Then they'd at least done a few songs from the new album, but last night it was all 'oldies.' Actually a really well-diversified selection of tunes covering about every phase of the band's existence...with the continued exception of Robbo stuff. I don't know why, but Lem seems completely averse to playing *anything* from Another Perfect Day live. I've seen them on just about every tour starting with Orgasmatron, and never have I heard a single track from that album. But last night, they ripped through the usual standards, including much of the No Sleep till Hammersmith set (where Metropolis is always a highlight for me). But also Shoot you in the back, Iron Fist, Damage Case, Love Me Like a Reptile (the coolest choice...first time I can remember this one resurrected!). And then from the post-Eddie days, Civil War, Over the top (another surprise choice), Dr. Rock (another highlight), Sacrifice, Going to Brazil, Ramones, We Are Motorhead, and God Save the Queen. The crowd was more than packed, we were pretty 'friendly.' Which is ok by me, except that for some reason, half the idiots feel like it's their god-given right to leave the floor in the middle of the show, go take a piss, grab another beer at the counter, and then fight their way back through the throngs of people to where their buddies were still holding fort. That would still be ok, if they weren't so damn obnoxious about it, coming at you from behind completely unawares by slamming their fat sweaty bodies into your backside and elbowing you in the face without so much as a kind tap or nod of appreciation for you not thrusting their beer up into their nose and kneeing them simultaneously in the crotch. Still, not even that and the horrid pall of cigarette stench, sticky floor, and still-ringing ears could persuade me that this wasn't another worthwhile show. Despite Lem's best efforts, he still seems more than capable of performing just the same as 15 years ago. Well, with a voice like that, how could you ruin it so easily? :) Encore was Ace of Spades and extended Overkill, but then you already knew that, didn't you? Opening act was some band from Berlin, with a crazy- haired female singer, that sounded much like AC/DC in every way. I guess one of their tunes was actually written for them by Lemmy himself, and I think it was one of the better ones. So, tomorrow I head for Stuttgart to see Korai ?r?m, and that should be really cool. Next week is On Trial in Winterthur (not so far from Zuerich), and then Quimby on Sat., HW on Sunday. Oh, yeah, more good shows coming next year already. Including Fish in late March, Monster Magnet (nothing on their website, but it's going on sale here already) in early April, and the old German band Jane the next night. And Guru Guru plays again in der Schweiz in late April. I dunno...I don't see how I could ever move back to the states again, but as my job will (almost) certainly end next year December, I'm not sure how I'll be able to remain in Switzerland. So..hope to see some of you soon in London (anybody still planning to go check out that crazy art exhibit that some folx were mentioning? Where is it again?)... Grakkl (FFA) P.S. On BBC TV, all I seem to see are silly shows about crack home- improvement 'teams' that makeover your house with wonderful results. Why is it then that England looks more run down and dumpy every time I visit? No offens(c)e intended, just an observation. :) From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Fri Dec 12 09:03:30 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:03:30 +0100 Subject: Hawk midi??? In-Reply-To: <200312121122.hBCBMOkF014463@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Citeren M Holmes : > > If I could have the violin intro to Hassan I Sabha as a ringtone, I > might even buy a mobile. Well most mobile nowadays can play wav-files as ringtone, so what's the problem ;-) > I've been hanging out for the watch-mobiles > where there's no speaker and you have to stick your finger in your ear > to hear the conversation by bone conduction. Hmmm..intersting idea...i'll talk to R&D about it, and see if they can gen-mod a babelfish at the same time... -BArt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Dec 12 09:09:38 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:09:38 +0100 Subject: Hawk midi??? Message-ID: Bart Brugmans hat geschrieben... >>I've been hanging out for the watch-mobiles >>where there's no speaker and you have to stick your finger in your ear >>to hear the conversation by bone conduction. >Hmmm..intersting idea...i'll talk to R&D about it, and see if they can gen-mod >a babelfish at the same time... No, I think this is real (the bone-phone I mean; sadly not the Babelfish, just yet anyway), as I saw something about it too. But you never know...just because it was on the 'news' doesn't mean much these days, as far as truth goes. Grakkl (FAA), who's holding out for a 'Frankenbabelfish' in glow-in-the-dark designer colors From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 09:23:57 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: OK, I am baffled by the DVD technicalities but agree on the general uselessness of sensibly priced Windows based video editing tools. On the subject of how I record Hawkwind gigs, the following might be of interest (then again, it might not). Wherever possible, I do 2 recordings: The first is a stereo feed from the mixing desk either direct to a laptop at 16/48 or into two channels of a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48. The second is a multitrack recording into a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48; dependent on circumstances, this may be either a "pure" multitrack with every input recorded to an individual track or there may sometimes be a slight compromise with the drumkit inputs being grouped and taken as a stereo pair. This is usually OK as Fleece does a lovely drum mix. One of the problems with the stereo feed approach is that certain instruments that are very loud on stage (ie: the amp is turned up to 11) do not figure very strongly in the desk mix; this is often the case with Alan's bass or any instrument in Litmus *grin*. This problem is accentuated in smaller venues, such as the Exeter Phoenix, where there is virtually no bass on the recording from the stereo feed. This can be overcome by live mixing in another feed from an ambient mic, which also has the benefit of providing some crowd noise and general atmosphere. On top of that, there is also a third recording which I sometimes do which is digital video footage, initially with a stereo input from the desk but with the possibility of replacing this with the mixed multitrack recording. Colin From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:32:17 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:32:17 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind: Astoria Update Message-ID: Yep. Also, next time you have the luxury of spare time to comment on my spelling, at least tell the whole story.....i.e. if you want to be *really* petty, you'll see that AVOID was spelled wrong too ! More haste, less speed eh? Rik On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:44:16 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Whoops - sorry. There should have been a ":-)" after that! > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > >> > >> > PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE XMAS GIGS ALWAYS SELL OUT >> > GET YOUR TICKETS NOW TO AVAID DISSAPOINTMENT: >> >> A. It's already sold out (if my information is right) >> B. There's only one "S" in capitalised "disappointment" >> C. I may be wrong on point (A), but if you're putting out an official >> Hawkwind information statement, at least spell it right. >> >> Yours in pedantry, >> >> Rich. >> From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Dec 12 12:22:37 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:22:37 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:23:57 -0500, Colin J Allen wrote: >OK, I am baffled by the DVD technicalities but agree on the general >uselessness of sensibly priced Windows based video editing tools. > >On the subject of how I record Hawkwind gigs, the following might be of >interest (then again, it might not). > >Wherever possible, I do 2 recordings: > >The first is a stereo feed from the mixing desk either direct to a laptop >at 16/48 or into two channels of a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48. > >The second is a multitrack recording into a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48; >dependent on circumstances, this may be either a "pure" multitrack with >every input recorded to an individual track or there may sometimes be a >slight compromise with the drumkit inputs being grouped and taken as a >stereo pair. This is usually OK as Fleece does a lovely drum mix. > >One of the problems with the stereo feed approach is that certain >instruments that are very loud on stage (ie: the amp is turned up to 11) do >not figure very strongly in the desk mix; this is often the case with >Alan's bass or any instrument in Litmus *grin*. This problem is >accentuated in smaller venues, such as the Exeter Phoenix, where there is >virtually no bass on the recording from the stereo feed. This can be >overcome by live mixing in another feed from an ambient mic, which also has >the benefit of providing some crowd noise and general atmosphere. > >On top of that, there is also a third recording which I sometimes do which >is digital video footage, initially with a stereo input from the desk but >with the possibility of replacing this with the mixed multitrack recording. > >Colin actually i found that pretty interesting, i'm sure that i wasn't alone in thinking that live recordings still required some sort of mobile studio, some which would arrive on the back of a lorry and often seen parked behind venues such as Hammersmith odeon in the 80's, so thanks for the insight! on a totally unrelated thread, Collin mentioned on one of the lists the other week that he had tried to get more hawkwind played on the Bruce Dickinson freak show on Radio 6, a great station that is unfortunately only availible via the net, satelite and cable or DAB digital radio. is he or anybody else aware that last week started the show with Motorway City, the Levitation version, in it's entirety! the show can still be accessed from - http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/index.shtml?logo one word of warning though, open the radio player first and click on Freak zone from there, the link from the main web pages appear to be broken. regards dave From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Dec 12 12:49:58 2003 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:49:58 -0500 Subject: was: A suggestion NOW: Hawkwind Air Play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Dave Law Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind (snip) on a totally unrelated thread, Collin mentioned on one of the lists the other week that he had tried to get more hawkwind played on the Bruce Dickinson freak show on Radio 6, a great station that is unfortunately only availible via the net, satelite and cable or DAB digital radio. is he or anybody else aware that last week started the show with Motorway City, the Levitation version, in it's entirety! (snip) To continue the totally unrelated thread.... I have XM radio here in the states, its satellite radio, and their channel 51 "Music Lab" DOES play Hawkwind from time to time. I have heard Silver Machine and Motorway City for sure. Also this Wednesday their "XM LIVE" channel played a "Hawkwind 72" live recording though I didn't stay up to listen to it. www.xmradio.com Pretty cool. Mike http://corwyn.blogspot.com the web log http://www.mikemontfort.com the web site the quote of the day is: Follow the grain in your own wood. -- Howard Thurman From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 12 13:19:59 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:19:59 -0500 Subject: Astoria night, PT, Lem, more... In-Reply-To: ; from keith.henderson@PSI.CH on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:12:08PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:12:08PM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: > Why is it then that England looks more run down and dumpy every time > I visit? No offens(c)e intended, just an observation. :) 'Cause every time you visit, you've been living in Switzerland for longer than the time before? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 12 13:41:18 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:41:18 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: ; from colin@CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:23:57AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:23:57AM -0500, Colin J Allen wrote: > On top of that, there is also a third recording which I sometimes do which > is digital video footage, initially with a stereo input from the desk but > with the possibility of replacing this with the mixed multitrack recording. Geek curiosity: How do you sync them up? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 17:44:51 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:44:51 -0000 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: I don't. Someone else has access to state of the art video editing equipment and that is their job (thankfully!). However, it is something that I have been considering for other bands where we are not so fortunate and my idea is to have the drummer give one sharp tap on the snare about 1 minute before the set starts. I should then be able to align this peak on the multitrack with the peak in the 2 track, then mute the 2 track; hopefully, we should then be left with synchronised multitrack recording. At least that is the theory! Failing that, I will have to investigate the use of time codes. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:23:57AM -0500, Colin J Allen wrote: > > On top of that, there is also a third recording which I sometimes do which > > is digital video footage, initially with a stereo input from the desk but > > with the possibility of replacing this with the mixed multitrack recording. > > Geek curiosity: How do you sync them up? > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer > wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the > drum kit around during songs. > - Patrick Lenneau > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 17:47:39 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:47:39 -0000 Subject: A suggestion NOW: Hawkwind Air Play Message-ID: Hi Mike, Yes, I was listening;perhaps my nagging paid off! Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: was: A suggestion NOW: Hawkwind Air Play > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Dave Law > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > > (snip) > > on a totally unrelated thread, Collin mentioned on one of the lists the > other week that he had tried to get more hawkwind played on the Bruce > Dickinson freak show on Radio 6, a great station that is unfortunately > only availible via the net, satelite and cable or DAB digital radio. is he > or anybody else aware that last week started the show with Motorway City, > the Levitation version, in it's entirety! > > (snip) > > > To continue the totally unrelated thread.... > > I have XM radio here in the states, its satellite radio, and their channel > 51 "Music Lab" DOES play Hawkwind from time to time. I have heard Silver > Machine and Motorway City for sure. > > Also this Wednesday their "XM LIVE" channel played a "Hawkwind 72" live > recording though I didn't stay up to listen to it. > > www.xmradio.com > > Pretty cool. > > Mike > > http://corwyn.blogspot.com > the web log > http://www.mikemontfort.com > the web site > the quote of the day is: > Follow the grain in your own wood. > -- Howard Thurman > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 17:56:53 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:53 -0000 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: The lastest version of my recording gear (24 track digital) measures about 24"x20"x12" and I can (just) lift it with one hand. It consists of a Fostex D2424LV and three Behringer HA8000s as gain controllers all in a Gator case; if you are coming to the Astoria, come and have a look. To continue the information: On returning to base the tracks are dumped onto DVD-RAM disks as wav files for transfer to the PC for mixing and "fiddling with" in Logic. Much easier than a large lorry, and cheaper! Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:23:57 -0500, Colin J Allen > wrote: > > >OK, I am baffled by the DVD technicalities but agree on the general > >uselessness of sensibly priced Windows based video editing tools. > > > >On the subject of how I record Hawkwind gigs, the following might be of > >interest (then again, it might not). > > > >Wherever possible, I do 2 recordings: > > > >The first is a stereo feed from the mixing desk either direct to a laptop > >at 16/48 or into two channels of a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48. > > > >The second is a multitrack recording into a Fostex D2424LV at 16/48; > >dependent on circumstances, this may be either a "pure" multitrack with > >every input recorded to an individual track or there may sometimes be a > >slight compromise with the drumkit inputs being grouped and taken as a > >stereo pair. This is usually OK as Fleece does a lovely drum mix. > > > >One of the problems with the stereo feed approach is that certain > >instruments that are very loud on stage (ie: the amp is turned up to 11) > do > >not figure very strongly in the desk mix; this is often the case with > >Alan's bass or any instrument in Litmus *grin*. This problem is > >accentuated in smaller venues, such as the Exeter Phoenix, where there is > >virtually no bass on the recording from the stereo feed. This can be > >overcome by live mixing in another feed from an ambient mic, which also > has > >the benefit of providing some crowd noise and general atmosphere. > > > >On top of that, there is also a third recording which I sometimes do which > >is digital video footage, initially with a stereo input from the desk but > >with the possibility of replacing this with the mixed multitrack > recording. > > > >Colin > > actually i found that pretty interesting, i'm sure that i wasn't alone in > thinking that live recordings still required some sort of mobile studio, > some which would arrive on the back of a lorry and often seen parked > behind venues such as Hammersmith odeon in the 80's, so thanks for the > insight! > > on a totally unrelated thread, Collin mentioned on one of the lists the > other week that he had tried to get more hawkwind played on the Bruce > Dickinson freak show on Radio 6, a great station that is unfortunately > only availible via the net, satelite and cable or DAB digital radio. is he > or anybody else aware that last week started the show with Motorway City, > the Levitation version, in it's entirety! > > the show can still be accessed from - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/index.shtml?logo > one word of warning though, open the radio player first and click on Freak > zone from there, the link from the main web pages appear to be broken. > regards > dave > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 03:30:00 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:30:00 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Astoria Update Message-ID: *chortle* I had to fill in a questionnaire yesterday (long story) and listed "pedantry" as one of my hobbies... Cheers, R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind: Astoria Update > Yep. > > Also, next time you have the luxury of spare time to comment on my spelling, > at least tell the whole story.....i.e. if you want to be *really* petty, you'll see > that AVOID was spelled wrong too ! > > More haste, less speed eh? > > Rik > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:44:16 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >Whoops - sorry. There should have been a ":-)" after that! > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > > > >> > > >> > PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE XMAS GIGS ALWAYS SELL OUT > >> > GET YOUR TICKETS NOW TO AVAID DISSAPOINTMENT: > >> > >> A. It's already sold out (if my information is right) > >> B. There's only one "S" in capitalised "disappointment" > >> C. I may be wrong on point (A), but if you're putting out an official > >> Hawkwind information statement, at least spell it right. > >> > >> Yours in pedantry, > >> > >> Rich. > >> > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Dec 13 08:36:03 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:36:03 +0100 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Dec 12 15:30:46 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:30:46 EST Subject: Off: OLE LUKKOYE Message-ID: Just received a CD from these guys......sooooo very cool..Kinda hard trance with a definite Ozric feel. The CD is called Crystal Crow Bar. It was produced by one the guys in Faust. Get this one kiddies! Bill From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 11:57:51 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:57:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria night - hotel hunt Message-ID: In case anyone is interested: I went to the following web page http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/ and searched for a single room for the night of 21 December. I don't know what you want to spend but the following were listed Best Western Mostyn Hotel (Marble Arch - reasonably close - very posh looking! ?55 single ?60 double) Best Western Phoenix Hotel (Bayswater, Westminster - quite close ?35 single ?42 twin - excellent value) Blakemore Hotel (Bayswater - quite close ?32 single ?45 twin - looks ok) Blandford Hotel (Baker Street - fairly close ?40 single ?55 twin) Norfolk Towers Hotel (Paddington ?30 single ?40 twin) 10 Manchester Street (near Baker St. and Oxford Street at ?60 single ?70 double) Caesar Hotel (maybe too far away - the other side of Hyde Park) at ?49 single and ?64 twin - which seems very reasonable) Abcone Hotel (South Kensington - some way out but not too bad ?55 single ?80 double) Best Western Delmere Hotel (Paddington ?50 single ?70 double) And there are plenty of others if you look down and many of them have very good rates for London. The best value of the above look like Best Western Phoenix Hotel, Blakemore Hotel and Norfolk Towers. However - (1) the prices are room only - breakfast will be extra. (2) you will have to book on line for the cheap rates. But it looks as if there is plenty available. Good luck ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:24:13 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:24:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: pedantry (was Hawkwind: Astoria Update) Message-ID: Hey, If there wasn't a specific box, you should have added one..... :-} Rik On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:30:00 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >*chortle* > >I had to fill in a questionnaire yesterday (long story) and listed >"pedantry" as one of my hobbies... > >Cheers, > >R. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Dec 13 12:46:08 2003 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:46:08 -0600 Subject: Astoria night - hotel hunt In-Reply-To: <007101c3c19a$3f7d3380$c45187d9@jds> Message-ID: I'll just add 1 more to Jills list :-) Try Regents Palace Hotel at Picadilly circus (book from pretty much anywhere online), it's a very average hotel, but it has a hell of a lot of rooms(2500), and they usually do singles for 45 a night, which considering where it is is fantastic, not so good though for double rooms. I've stayed there a few times on Hawktrips. It's almost accross the road from Tower Records on Picadilly Circus. Not too far to walk up to the Astoria, or 1 or 2 tube stops. You might get away with sneaking extra into the rooms as it's a pretty large place ;-) Just sad we can't make it this year :-( Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:58 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Astoria night - hotel hunt In case anyone is interested: I went to the following web page http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/ and searched for a single room for the night of 21 December. I don't know what you want to spend but the following were listed Best Western Mostyn Hotel (Marble Arch - reasonably close - very posh looking! ?55 single ?60 double) Best Western Phoenix Hotel (Bayswater, Westminster - quite close ?35 single ?42 twin - excellent value) Blakemore Hotel (Bayswater - quite close ?32 single ?45 twin - looks ok) Blandford Hotel (Baker Street - fairly close ?40 single ?55 twin) Norfolk Towers Hotel (Paddington ?30 single ?40 twin) 10 Manchester Street (near Baker St. and Oxford Street at ?60 single ?70 double) Caesar Hotel (maybe too far away - the other side of Hyde Park) at ?49 single and ?64 twin - which seems very reasonable) Abcone Hotel (South Kensington - some way out but not too bad ?55 single ?80 double) Best Western Delmere Hotel (Paddington ?50 single ?70 double) And there are plenty of others if you look down and many of them have very good rates for London. The best value of the above look like Best Western Phoenix Hotel, Blakemore Hotel and Norfolk Towers. However - (1) the prices are room only - breakfast will be extra. (2) you will have to book on line for the cheap rates. But it looks as if there is plenty available. Good luck ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 13:23:07 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:23:07 -0000 Subject: Astoria night - hotel hunt Message-ID: a.k.a "The Fleapit" - I used to stay there lots! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Astoria night - hotel hunt I'll just add 1 more to Jills list :-) Try Regents Palace Hotel at Picadilly circus (book from pretty much anywhere online), it's a very average hotel, but it has a hell of a lot of rooms(2500), and they usually do singles for 45 a night, which considering where it is is fantastic, not so good though for double rooms. I've stayed there a few times on Hawktrips. It's almost accross the road from Tower Records on Picadilly Circus. Not too far to walk up to the Astoria, or 1 or 2 tube stops. You might get away with sneaking extra into the rooms as it's a pretty large place ;-) Just sad we can't make it this year :-( Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:58 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Astoria night - hotel hunt In case anyone is interested: I went to the following web page http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/ and searched for a single room for the night of 21 December. I don't know what you want to spend but the following were listed Best Western Mostyn Hotel (Marble Arch - reasonably close - very posh looking! ?55 single ?60 double) Best Western Phoenix Hotel (Bayswater, Westminster - quite close ?35 single ?42 twin - excellent value) Blakemore Hotel (Bayswater - quite close ?32 single ?45 twin - looks ok) Blandford Hotel (Baker Street - fairly close ?40 single ?55 twin) Norfolk Towers Hotel (Paddington ?30 single ?40 twin) 10 Manchester Street (near Baker St. and Oxford Street at ?60 single ?70 double) Caesar Hotel (maybe too far away - the other side of Hyde Park) at ?49 single and ?64 twin - which seems very reasonable) Abcone Hotel (South Kensington - some way out but not too bad ?55 single ?80 double) Best Western Delmere Hotel (Paddington ?50 single ?70 double) And there are plenty of others if you look down and many of them have very good rates for London. The best value of the above look like Best Western Phoenix Hotel, Blakemore Hotel and Norfolk Towers. However - (1) the prices are room only - breakfast will be extra. (2) you will have to book on line for the cheap rates. But it looks as if there is plenty available. Good luck ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 14:55:58 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:55:58 -0000 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Ha! Serves you right! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Dec 13 17:01:53 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:01:53 -0500 Subject: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3FD959A1.7000002@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 06:01:05AM +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: => It was meant to be just that. But I maintain anyone (with ok hearing not => special hearing) can tell the difference between 44.1 and 48k its a lot. Have you confirmed this with blind listening tests? => >The great thing about DVD standards is that there are so many from => >which to choose! :-) That would be one strike against Hawkwind using => >it. At least with audio CD they know they're selling something that => >will play on everyone's little-silver-platter players. (Recall the => >confusing "will this play on my player?" thread that attended the Huw => >PAL DVD release.) => => No! That's just not the case. There is exactly one official dvd => standard. A 'standard' like DAD must conform to DVD standard first! So => saying a disk is DAD means it will play on your dvd player. => Its not like the kareoke cd standard which requires special firmware to => read sub channels. With regards to application formats, there are at least two standards: DVD-Video and DVD-Audio. (DVD-Audio came later, to cater to audiophiles.) It is possible to create DVD-Audio discs that will not play in DVD-Video players. (E.g., a disc consisting only of PCM audio at a sample rate of 192 KHz. The maximum sample rate supported by the DVD-Video standard is 96 KHz.) As for physical formats, pressed discs adhere to the DVD-ROM standard, and, as Colin said these would be pressed discs, that would eliminate *that* potential incompatibility. (But pressed DVDs would likely increase the price compared to pressed CDs, which require lower quality control standards.) But, if you step into the recordable physical formats, then you do get a hodge-podge of potential incompatibilities as you wade through the morass of acronyms that includes DVD-R, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD+R. (I know for a fact that a friend's laptop CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive will not read DVD+R or DVD+RW discs.) This is an issue of physical incompatibility (mostly due to reflectivity problems), and is not a matter of which OS you run or what firmware your drive has. As for the encoding within application formats, the confusing "will this play on my player?" thread that attended the Huw PAL DVD release I mentioned was a real concern, and a source of head-scratching at the time. Here is what the DVD FAQ (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) has to say on the topic of "Is DVD-Video a worldwide standard? Does it work with NTSC, PAL, and SECAM?": >>>>> The MPEG video on a DVD is stored in digital format, but it's formatted for one of two mutually incompatible television systems: 525/60 (NTSC) or 625/50 (PAL/SECAM). Therefore, there are two kinds of DVDs: "NTSC DVDs" and "PAL DVDs." Some players only play NTSC discs, others play PAL and NTSC discs. [[...]] Almost all DVD players sold in PAL countries play both kinds of discs. These multi-standard players partially convert NTSC to a 60-Hz PAL (4.43 NTSC) signal. [[..]] Most NTSC players can't play PAL discs. A very small number of NTSC players (such as Apex and SMC) can convert PAL to NTSC. [[..]] Many standards-converting players can't convert anamorphic widescreen video for 4:3 displays. [[..]] Bottom line: NTSC discs (with Dolby Digital audio) play on over 95% of DVD systems worldwide. PAL discs play on very few players outside of PAL countries. <<<<< So, I would say that for those with consumer DVD players, this compatibility issue is somewhat real. (BTW, NTSC is used in the USA; PAL in the UK.) => What I was actually suggesting was not a 'standard' just dump 48k audio => on a cd filesystem leave it to us to convert to a cd if we wish or we => can play the higher quality audio on whatever we got. Its not difficult. It's perhaps not difficult (in your opinion), but hardly user-friendly---at least compared to a conventional CD, which requires no additional steps to play. Your suggestion is just one step removed from simply making the tracks available for download in FLAC format. => There is no dvd standard nonsense (ok try to burn your own video dvd => with motion menus, mulitiple camera angles, multiple ac3 and mp2 audio => tracks - I've no idea if you can on Microsoft OS, on linux 'we' can and => if 'we' find a dvd that won't work in a particular dvd player 'we' fix => the software till it does. Stuff I've seen to create dvd on windows does => not seem to allow you to do much - unless you pay over ?2,000) The only => 'dvd standard hassle' is really for DVD-R and DVD-RW. Both dvd+ and dvd- => are equal with respect to what you can do with DVDR. Both standards => meet the current official dvd standard. There is a slight difference => regarding how you can use RW media, but not enougth to care about. I suggest you check your facts. There are incompatibilities in the various recordable DVD standards. It has been claimed that this is partly intentional, at least in the case of the DVD+ variants, to avoid having to split format royalties amongst so many companies. Greed is a big motivator. This is from the DVD FAQ (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html): >>>>> [4.3.1] Is it true there are compatibility problems with recordable DVD formats? Yes. None of the writable formats are fully compatible with each other or even with existing drives and players. In other words, a DVD+R/RW drive can't write a DVD-R or DVD-RW disc, and vice versa (unless it's a combo drive that writes both formats). As time goes by the different formats are becoming more compatible and more intermixed. A player with the DVD Forum's DVD Multi is guaranteed to read DVD-R, DVD-RW, and DVD-RAM discs, and a DVD Multi recorder can record using all three formats. Some new "super combo" drives can record in both plus and dash format, and a few "super multi" drives can record all 5 disc types (DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM). In addition, not all players and drives can read recorded discs. The basic problem is that recordable discs have different reflectivity than pressed discs (the pre-recorded kind you buy in a store -- see 5), and not all players have been correctly designed to read them. There are compatibility lists at CustomFlix, DVDMadeEasy, DVDRHelp, YesVideo.com, HomeMovie.com, and Apple that indicate player compatibility with DVD-R and DVD-RW discs. DVDplusRW.org maintains a list of DVD+RW compatible players and drives. (Note: test results vary depending on media quality, handling, writing conditions, player tolerances, and so on. The indications of compatibility in these lists are often anecdotal in nature and are only general guidelines.) Very roughly, DVD-R and DVD+R discs work in about 85% of existing drives and players, while DVD-RW and DVD+RW discs work in around 70%. The situation is steadily improving. In another few years compatibility problems will mostly be behind us, just as with CD-R (did you know that early CD-Rs had all kinds of compatibility problems?). [[...]] <<<<< Again, this is not an OS issue, and "you" cannot change "your" software until it is fixed, no matter how hard you wish you could. => Existing proposal is a winner It is from your point of view. But then again, you are speaking from a PC-user perspective. I would argue that most people's home audio or home theatre system does *not* revolve around a PC. It probably uses standalone consumer DVD and audio devices. => Thats my assumption but I have no idea really what is a soundboard or => what you can do with one. And you feel qualified to chime in on the best way to do audio, why? :-) => You sould never alter sample rate upwards - unless you must because you => want to make a cd. Doing so _will_ result in distortion. But down => sampling also results in distortion, though its fairly easy to treat;-) You have that exactly backwards. (What you say is also incorrect in parts: are you saying that I _will_ get distortion if I, say, double the sample rate??) There are much more serious problems with sample rate reduction than with increasing the sample rate. (See Nyquist's Theorem for details.:) Quick quiz: Which will sound more different: a) an 8 KHz source upsampled to 32 KHz, or, b) a 32 KHz source downsampled to 8 KHz? => Cheapo 5.1 low-fi makes reasonable job of stereo cd in 5.1 mode. I'm "low-fi" does not sound very hi-fi to me. This was all about improving sound quality, wasn't it? => >This can be true, but it is not necessarily true. This is => >*especially* pertinent for consumer-grade mass market equipment, which => >may not use, shall we say, the finest quality components. (Have you => >ever considered what is the *real* resolution of a DAC?) => => Yup!!! I got a socket A motherboard that has via82c833 chip. Sadly, you obviously did not understand the question. => That is => certainly not the best chip but it performs as well as my 'proper' card. => But I prefer a Audigy2 cause its more usefull and has much better midi, => the DAC is worth the price. If I need to I can use both cards to => record, and I'll get the channels to synch OK:-) If I were in any way => 'proffessional' I'd want a card capable of recording at 128k but at => moment they are >= ?1,000 or they were last time I looked. If I were in any way "professional," I'd be more interested in the signal to noise ratio of my sound card more than how high went its sample rate. I'd also be worried if its digital inputs did unnecessary resampling (as do many consumer PC sound cards), or whether it suffered excessive jitter. Those sound cards you mention are good for gaming. (For example, I believe the Audigy2 card does unneccesary resampling, making it a poor choice for bit-accurate transfers from digital sources.) => >If you are worried about the sound quality of your audio, you should => >actually be more worried about the quality of the analogue components => >of your system (and that includes the analogue stages in your DVD => >player). A cheap DVD player is likely to be just that: a great => >potential with a lousy realisation. A good CD player will beat it => >hands down *every time*. => => I think you miss the point. (Ok I don't actually have a tv as such so I => have no dedicated dvd-payer) A pc dvd player costs less than ?50 the => only 'analoge' stage is the ad converter to mantain compatibility with => pc analogue audio cd input. Most pc dvdplayer has also a digital audio => out now, and good cheep soundcards like soundblaster live really are => fine hi-fi devices, hell ancient cards like Ensonique and GUS sound => great. So computer is very much the center of my hi-fi, its how I => control 2 cheep 5.1 sound systems and an old 80's Hi-fi. The result is => supprisingly cool. I think you are confusing, misusing and abusing the term "hi-fi." None of the sound cards you mention meet my definition of hi-fi (which I take to mean "of audiophile quality"). I would not use my computer as my audio listening device, anyway. For one, it is not physically set up very well for that: speaker placement is an issue, immediately. Then there's the high-frequency whine from my monitor. Plus there's the ambient noise from multiple case and disk drive enclosure fans---not to mention the noise from the drives themselves. And that's just the ambient noise. The electromagnetic noise *inside* the computer is worse. The inside of a modern computer case is *hell* for analogue signals. Sure, the FCC regulates how much interference is allowed to leak *outside* the case, but what goes on inside is its own business. As motherboards become smaller and cheaper, and CPUs faster, the problem of electromagnetic noise and interference grows larger. Good shielding costs in terms of component quality and PCB real estate. Once your samples leave your DAC and become analogue, they're battered and bruised by various noise sources in the components through which they then pass on their way ultimately to your speakers. This is one reason why outboard DAC and ADC units are popular in audiophile editing and recording setups. Computers may be great at digital signal processing (DSP), but DSP is but one aspect of digital audio. Digital audio is not just about the digital domain. I don't think you fully realise that. => Why do you feel need to spend money to get quality? Pick your kit with => care, technology is very cheep now. Sometimes you'll get better => results from a second hand ?10 Hauppauge card than you will from a new => one costing ?150 - depends on what you are doing or more importantly => _how_ you want to do it. I don't think I ever said you had to spend a lot to get good audio quality. I just said you had to use good quality components. Now I will admit there seems to be a positive correlation between having to spend more and getting good quality components, but, like you said, if you choose wisely, you can buck the trend and get lucky for less money. Although value for money is increasing in the computer industry, the physical quality of hardware is tending to go down, especially for mass-market commodity hardware as used in x86-based systems. (I hear complaints of this all the time from sysadmin who find buying reliable hardware more difficult these days.) This is understandable, as vendors seek to preserve margins in an industry beset by falling prices and increasing expectations. Like anything, electronic components (capacitors, resistors, diodes, etc.) have different operating characteristics depending upon the materials they use and how they were manufactured. Operating characteristics can vary under ambient conditions (heat, humidity, etc.) or different loads. It's all a trade-off. But, it is usually a sad fact that the highest quality components usually require purer materials, and so ultimately cost more. If you believe a capacitor is a capacitor is a capacitor, then you probably also believe boomboxes and all-in-one midi systems sound just as good as hi-fi separates and wonder what all the fuss is about. If that is the case, there's no point in discussing audio quality. We have to agree to disagree. :-) => software is free. Not simple to use but even old versions of dvdauthor => are capable of any DVD audio standards I'm aware of. Care to provide an existence proof? I looked at the WWW page of dvdauthor and there was no mention of it supporting DVD-Audio. => The only audio standard I have problem with is SACD like pink floyd => dsotm. You need special player that might or might not also be a dvd. I heard that some SACD discs are released in dual-layer format. One of these layers is readable and playable on ordinary CD players. (I think the Rolling Stones remasters [or some incarnation of them] recently came out in this format.) So, in some ways, SACD discs are more compatible with legacy players than DVD. :-) In the end, when I think of compatibility with "DVD players" I'm thinking of people with consumer DVD players, not DVD drives in a PC. That's because I believe most people's home entertainment solution right now is not centred around their PC, but is invested in some kind of "home theatre" or hi-fi setup that has its own DVD player. (This is particularly true of people fond of those big-screen TVs.:) To target people using DVD devices in a PC would unduly limit the potential reach of the releases to no real useful gain. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 13 21:17:32 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:17:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 14, 2003): We've just uploaded new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #94), Alchemical Radio (show #51), and our brand new Drool Trough radio show, which features excellent underground artists of all genres and styles. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #94): General Playlist The Future Kings Of England - "10:66" (from The Future Kings Of England) Alien Planetscapes - "Red Mars Overture" (from Official Bootleg #6) Thundering Lizards - "Do You Wanna?" (From 10 Years Of Slutfish Records) Astro Zombies - "Heinous" (From 10 Years Of Slutfish Records) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment - "Death Star 5" (from We Are) Elscientisto - "Trapezium" (from Moonsick EP) Pseudo Buddha - "October 4" (from 3 Months In Fat City) Beneficial Gene - "Spirit Of Opening" (from Live & Sessions) Nihil Project - "La Realta E' La Mia Illusione" (from Paria) Ai Phoenix - "We Think You Are Very Brave" (from The Driver Is Dead) Psychik Atters - "Made In Sheffield" (from Mystic Minutes) Drool Trough (show #1): General Playlist Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring all kinds of cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Chicken Mchead - "Where Do The Elephants Go When They Die?" (From Squawk!) TriPod - "Jerome's Spotlight" (from TripPod) Michael J. Bowman - "Hey Forty" (from Hey Forty/Fake Rock single) Electric Turn To Me - "Ride The Wave" (from Electric Turn To Me) Kudzu - "Bullseye" (from Swamp Gothic) Flaming Fire - "The Way You Kill Me (Blood Does Shine) Joshua Charles - "Dollar Bills" (from A Positive Flow) The Planet The - "Man Called Wife" (from Physical Angel) William Steffey - "Grow Crazy" (from Roadstar) Michael J. Bowman - "Kite" (from Kite single) Scapeland Wish - "Ostrich Alternative" (from The Ghost Of Autumn) The Ronis Brothers - "True Beauty" (from The Ronis Brothers Sampler) The Gak Omek - "Robotomy" (from Alien Eye) Buzz Forward & Space Boy - "Blowin' Lunch'" (from All The Way From Outer Space) Dave Schmeidler - "Morontyme" (from Skyrats Scraps) Dreamfield - "Christopher's Dream" (from Christopher's Dream) Tyko - "Elastic Brain" (from Transmissions From The Biosphere) Alchemical Radio (show #51) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions. Rick Ray Band - "A Willing Servant" Seth Osburn - "Coagulation" Second Sight - "October" Carl Burnett - "Crazy Crazy Crazy" DJ Monkey - "Messages" Linda McLean - "Choose That Road" Famous Last Words - "Smells Like Candy" John Danley - "Deconstructing Gregory Barsamian" Mercury Boy - "Cyber Junkie" Paul Bullock - "Shining Star" Ron Noyes - "Long Ride Home" NFD - "Unleashed" Dark Water - "This Need" Patrick Porter - "Cordwood & Spark" Jelinek Horst Attila - "Steppin' Off" Vine Sweetland & The Forefather's Of The New Millennium - "Mendocino Mojo Madness" John Danley - "Satori" http://Aural-Innovations.com From maxgate at CLEAR.NET.NZ Sun Dec 14 02:34:59 2003 From: maxgate at CLEAR.NET.NZ (David Howard) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:34:59 +1300 Subject: Stacia Message-ID: At the turn of the millennium I was working with a television producer who was pursuing that tired idea: whatever happened to X.... Now the reptilian Nik Turner has answered that question by assembling many former members of the one and only, but there's a glaring (and gender-related) exclusion: Stacia. Given that she was 19 in 1973, she must be hovering on 50 now. No, I don't want to watch her imitating Isadora Duncan (these days a glimpse of Nik or Harvey is troubling enough) but I do, idly, wonder what has become of her. Is a rotund double-chinned Stacia happily married to an accountant in Milton Keynes; or teaching aerobics to Newcastle LaLeche League members; or playing the crazy aunt all families have and hold at bay? Perhaps she has shacked up with Syd Barrett and is blissfully gyrating to a single shrill and infinitely repeated chord in the backroom of a council house in Never-Never Land? David Howard From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Sun Dec 14 03:24:31 2003 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:24:31 -0600 Subject: Off: Hawkwind Moments Message-ID: For what it's worth..a report from the nether regions of this planet.... Thought I had to share this with you...as a fellow Hawkfan who happens to live in a relatively musically deprived area and a bit far away to be close enough to a large city where one can indulge in various flavors of music besides coutry and cajun music... Consider this for a moment....a small town in southern Louisiana... A local cover band (among two ino town who play rock and roll) playing ZZTop, Grand Funk, and a particular Fleetwood Mac song - Dreams.... Of course, during the time I have lived here (12 years) , I have managed to turn a few people on to Hawkwind music. As the played the "Dreams" song, a table of us broke out in the midst of it with the chorus to "Spirit of the Age". The singer did as well. It fit quite nicely, despite some strange looks amongst the regular clientele , but most definitely brought back memories of Brixton....a very strange and joyous moment indeed! Whatever....just happily keeping the spirit alive here in southern bumfeck egypt..... Have a great day! Tom OT: Dan Ductor...if you are still here on the list, I'll be in LA for 10 days from the 24th onward ....my computer crashed a month ago, and I lost all previous e-mail addresses backed everyithing else up except e-mails...go figger........let's meet up and check out some gigs there if anything is happening there at the time, or have a beer or two and catch up.... From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 06:23:01 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:23:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: If we are settled on the Angel - who has directions and what time are people likely to be getting into town? Show of hands who is likely to be around? Ian From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sun Dec 14 07:52:15 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:52:15 +1100 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to fill me in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > Ha! Serves you right! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > From sam.kirwan at NTLWORLD.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 07:56:18 2003 From: sam.kirwan at NTLWORLD.CO.UK (Sam K) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:56:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: T-Minus & 7 days and counting..... Thought there was a rumour around the now hazy millenium that Stacia was married to a Multi-millionaire and living in the States. And finally, who the hell is Lene Lovich? Sam :-) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 08:55:39 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:55:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: Stacia Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Howard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Stacia > Is a rotund double-chinned Stacia happily married to an > accountant in Milton Keynes; or teaching aerobics to > Newcastle LaLeche League members; Kris's book "This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic" (1984) says she married drummer Roy Dyke in August 1975 and went off to do some modelling work. No information after that tho'. Just plugged in all my hi-fi stuff again after a couple of months of silence and celebrated by listening to the 2nd Annual Christmas Party CD - just to get in the mood - track 3 is wonderful but I can't remember what it was called - can anyone help? Thanks! jill > or playing the crazy aunt all families have and hold at bay? ummm - actually that sounds worryingly like me....... 8-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Dec 14 09:11:50 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:11:50 -0500 Subject: Stacia Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:34:59 +1300, David Howard wrote: >At the turn of the millennium I was working with a television producer who was pursuing that tired idea: whatever happened to X.... > >Now the reptilian Nik Turner has answered that question by assembling many former members of the one and only, but there's a glaring (and gender- related) exclusion: Stacia. > >Given that she was 19 in 1973, she must be hovering on 50 now. No, I don't want to watch her imitating Isadora Duncan (these days a glimpse of Nik or Harvey is troubling enough) but I do, idly, wonder what has become of her. > >Is a rotund double-chinned Stacia happily married to an accountant in Milton Keynes; or teaching aerobics to Newcastle LaLeche League members; or playing the crazy aunt all families have and hold at bay? > >Perhaps she has shacked up with Syd Barrett and is blissfully gyrating to a single shrill and infinitely repeated chord in the backroom of a council house in Never-Never Land? > >David Howard if memory serves me right, Dave was asked about Stacia when he was interviewed by Matthew Wright on his radio show a few months back, i think his answer was something along the lines of "she got married, moved to ireland and had some kids!" that's all i can add regards dave From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 09:13:55 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:13:55 +0000 Subject: HW: 2nd Ann Xmas Party disc (was Stacia) In-Reply-To: <007701c3c249$f62002c0$346187d9@jds> Message-ID: --- Jill Strobridge wrote: > > Just plugged in all my hi-fi stuff again after a couple of months of > silence and celebrated by listening to the 2nd Annual Christmas Party > CD - just to get in the mood - track 3 is wonderful but I can't > remember what it was called - can anyone help? Thanks! My copy has the tracks written on the disc, inc. - 3. Untitled (Tim Blake) AL ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save ?80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=21064/*http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 14 10:48:42 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:48:42 EST Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: Hey: Just got the Jan '04 issue of Guitar One, and they have and article, "Top 10 Cowbell Classics," compiled by Robert Cherry: 10. 'Dance the Night Away'-Van Halen 9. 'Hair of the Dog'-Nazareth 8. 'We're Not Gonna Take It'-Twisted Sister 7. 'Low Rider'-War 6. 'Working for the Weekend'-Loverboy 5. 'Evil Ways'-Santana 4. 'We're an American Band'-Grand Funk Railroad 3. 'Mississippi Queen'-Mountain 2. 'Honky Tonk Woman'- The Rolling Stones And, our heroes 1. 'Don't Fear the Reaper'-Blue Oyster Cult :"Contrary to the SNL skit, it was 'stun' guitarist Eric Bloom, not the fictional Gene Frenkle who 'explored the studio space' with his cowbell. The thinking man's hard-rock group were doubtless making a clever literary allusion with their choice in percussion, as in 'Ask not for whom the [cow] bell tolls; it tolls for thee.' Or maybe they just wanted to peg the kickass-ometer." From youless at COX.NET Sun Dec 14 10:53:32 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:53:32 -0500 Subject: Stacia Message-ID: IIRC "she's working as an artist [i.e. painting] in Ireland" Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:11:50 -0500, Dave Law wrote: > >if memory serves me right, Dave was asked about Stacia when he was >interviewed by Matthew Wright on his radio show a few months back, i think >his answer was something along the lines of "she got married, moved to >ireland and had some kids!" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Dec 14 11:47:04 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:47:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: <200312111451.hBBEpeoW021360@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:51:40PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => Paul Mather writes: => => > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:45:06PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => > => > => That University previously mentioned now has no fewer than six places => > => where you can speak freely: => > => => > => http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=texas_tech_120903.html => > => > Are these like the free speech areas into which President Bush corrals => > protesters during his campaign and official visits? => => Who knows? I can't be a protestor because I have a day job (and let's => face it, because "You can't borrow your way out of debt dumbass!" isn't => as telegenic as some of the other, albeit less accurate, banners) and => the nearest I've ever been to an official Bush campaign is a flashing => "W" badge that someone ( a pal who's the son of a Republican Party => bigwig) gave me and which I use to locate the tent at night at Glasters. => => > (Areas that are => > so far away from where he is appearing or passing by that they are => > literally out of his sight. => => I daresay he needs room to squeeze in the two and a half phalanxes of => armed guards who accompany him on these walkabouts. => => > They are also areas into which pro-Bush => > supporters are not required to be confined.) => => Not that it makes much difference since both the folks inside the => conferences and outside are anti free-trade. The folks inside are just => more willing to be hypoccritical about it. The example I was thinking of is not the WTC/Republican Party Conference-type appearances. It was a fairly recent report on the CBS evening news. A specific example they cited was when Bush was doing some kind of whistle-stop appearance at a small town. The anti-Bush protesters were herded off the beaten path, completely out of his sight and earshot. However, pro-Bush supporters (or those neutral to him) were allowed to line Main Street and cheer and wave signs as his motorcade drove buy. Apparently this is standard MO at his personal appearances. => What's clearly needed is another Amendment that says: => => "Nobody has a right to never feel upset. There's upsetting shit going on. => Deal with it." I'm not sure that would help at all, except maybe the bank balances of lawyers. A corollary of the amendment would be that there are times when one can legitimately feel upset. The question then would be to delineate exactly what and when they are. (Hooray for the lawyers!) The other interpretation would be that any upsetting feelings could be attributed to the "deal with it" part, meaning there are no times at which you could legitimately be upset. (Hooray for authoritarians!) So, although superficially pragmatic, the amendment would appear to be self-contradictory, or at least ambiguous. ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Dec 14 13:36:07 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:36:07 -0500 Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? In-Reply-To: <1ed.1578282b.2d0de05a@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 10:48 AM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > Contrary to the SNL skit, it > was 'stun' guitarist > Eric Bloom, not the fictional Gene Frenkle who 'explored the studio > space' > with his cowbell. Where were the fact checkers when they wrote this witty paragraph? Although they made Gene Frenkle look a lot like Eric and that lead guitarist looks quite a bit like I did back in those days as I recall I handled all the drums and David Lucas and I split the percussion parts. And Buck played all the guitar parts. Ask David Lucas. He practically had to beg me to play it and he (David) played vibra-slap and I played the triangle on the middle break. It was all on one channel. Has anyone heard the SACD version of it? I wonder if some of those buried parts are more audible, like Eric's organ part. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 14 14:48:47 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:48:47 EST Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2003 2:26:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Contrary to the SNL skit, it > was 'stun' guitarist > Eric Bloom, not the fictional Gene Frenkle who 'explored the studio > space' > with his cowbell. Where were the fact checkers when they wrote this witty paragraph? After that sketch was aired, I believe Eric said HE played the cowbell, if I remember correctly. Joe From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 15:05:19 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:05:19 -0000 Subject: Stacia Message-ID: Still in Ireland as far as I am aware. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Stacia > On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:34:59 +1300, David Howard > wrote: > > >At the turn of the millennium I was working with a television producer > who was pursuing that tired idea: whatever happened to X.... > > > >Now the reptilian Nik Turner has answered that question by assembling > many former members of the one and only, but there's a glaring (and gender- > related) exclusion: Stacia. > > > >Given that she was 19 in 1973, she must be hovering on 50 now. No, I > don't want to watch her imitating Isadora Duncan (these days a glimpse of > Nik or Harvey is troubling enough) but I do, idly, wonder what has become > of her. > > > >Is a rotund double-chinned Stacia happily married to an accountant in > Milton Keynes; or teaching aerobics to Newcastle LaLeche League members; > or playing the crazy aunt all families have and hold at bay? > > > >Perhaps she has shacked up with Syd Barrett and is blissfully gyrating to > a single shrill and infinitely repeated chord in the backroom of a council > house in Never-Never Land? > > > >David Howard > > if memory serves me right, Dave was asked about Stacia when he was > interviewed by Matthew Wright on his radio show a few months back, i think > his answer was something along the lines of "she got married, moved to > ireland and had some kids!" > that's all i can add > regards > dave > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 15:07:04 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:07:04 -0000 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Lene was a reasonably big name back in the early 80s and had a couple of hits. She has done some vocals on the new album and is appearing at the Astoria gig. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to fill me > in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > Ha! Serves you right! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Dec 14 15:10:25 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:10:25 -0500 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: You forgot to say big among Freaks!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > Lene was a reasonably big name back in the early 80s and had a couple of > hits. She has done some vocals on the new album and is appearing at the > Astoria gig. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to fill me > > in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. > > Allan Sharpe > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > Ha! Serves you right! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > > > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > > > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 14 15:18:01 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:18:01 -0000 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: I was trying to be polite;). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > You forgot to say big among Freaks!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > Lene was a reasonably big name back in the early 80s and had a couple of > > hits. She has done some vocals on the new album and is appearing at the > > Astoria gig. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:52 PM > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to fill > me > > > in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. > > > Allan Sharpe > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > Ha! Serves you right! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > > > > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > > > > > > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Dec 14 15:32:59 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Well there aren't any here right? Noone's heard of her except you and Uh!!! Never mind :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > I was trying to be polite;). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > You forgot to say big among Freaks!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > Lene was a reasonably big name back in the early 80s and had a couple of > > > hits. She has done some vocals on the new album and is appearing at the > > > Astoria gig. > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to > fill > > me > > > > in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. > > > > Allan Sharpe > > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM > > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha! Serves you right! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > > > > > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > > > > > > > > > > > From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Sun Dec 14 15:42:39 2003 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:42:39 -0600 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Lena Lovich...hmmm..lessee....her 80's "hit song" - "A New Toy" - (Oh Ay Oh!) Kewl keyboards...but one of those songs that you hate because the melody sticks in yer brain. A tamer Nina Hagen, perhaps? http://www.knitwitology.net/knitlog/LenaLovich_NewToy.mp3 (Did this guy bootleg that mp3???) From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Sun Dec 14 15:43:25 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:43:25 +0100 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c281$76fce200$afbd1543@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Ok I admit, I'm a freak ;-) (which HW-fan isn't?) I have some albums and singels by Lene Lovich and I would love te hear her with HW! --BArt Citeren Stephe : > Well there aren't any here right? Noone's heard of her except you and Uh!!! > Never mind :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > I was trying to be polite;). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephe" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:10 PM > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > You forgot to say big among Freaks!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > Lene was a reasonably big name back in the early 80s and had a couple > of > > > > hits. She has done some vocals on the new album and is appearing at > the > > > > Astoria gig. > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:52 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's with the Lene Lovich thing - could someone be so kind as to > > fill > > > me > > > > > in - I hate to think I may have missed something important. > > > > > Allan Sharpe > > > > > sharpies at idx.com.au > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Colin J Allen" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:55 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha! Serves you right! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Filip Vanhuyse" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:36 PM > > > > > > Subject: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh no,now I have to buy all her records too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Dec 14 16:28:20 2003 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Alogilvy at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:28:20 EST Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Did she do a single called "Lucky Number" that was a top ten hit...On stiff wasnt it? Isnt she the person to whom that memorable quote..." A nuclear war would really f**K up my carreer" was attributed ? Or am i thinking of someone else? From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Dec 14 16:33:45 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:33:45 -0500 Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? In-Reply-To: <11c.295ae895.2d0e189f@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 02:48 PM, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > After that sketch was aired, I believe Eric said HE played the > cowbell, if I > remember correctly. Who is always know for his strict adherence to the truth! ;-) Hey I don't really care it's just a stupid cowbell part but it is more audible than Eric's organ (which wasn't bad as I recall). What about the SACD, that Columbia charged us a small fortune to produce? There were other instruments on there as well, French Horn and Sax, played by the Brecker brothers as I recall. The reviews I've seen are quite glowing but no mention of hidden instruments appearing out of the mix. I don't have a player yet so I'll have to pick our more economically fortunate members' brains for details. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Dec 14 20:18:30 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:18:30 -0500 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: I used to be in love with Nina Hagen. Like 25 years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > Lena Lovich...hmmm..lessee....her 80's "hit song" - "A New Toy" - (Oh Ay > Oh!) Kewl keyboards...but one of those songs that you hate because the > melody sticks in yer brain. > > A tamer Nina Hagen, perhaps? > > http://www.knitwitology.net/knitlog/LenaLovich_NewToy.mp3 > > (Did this guy bootleg that mp3???) From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Dec 14 22:19:25 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:19:25 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK & OEBs Official merchandise: Apparel, gift ideas, cds and more!!!! 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Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Dec 14 22:27:15 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:27:15 -0700 Subject: Happy birthday to me! Message-ID: Again even!! Lazy day :) Got Tomb Raider 6, my favorites series!! Looking forward to another year here! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: Hi gang, This is my first post to boc-l since 1991. I think I was the fourth member when the list started, but have been somewhat inactive "lately." Yesterday (Saturday) I went to the BOC concert in Tuttlingen. I was quite excited as my previous BOC encounter was in 1992 in Portland (OR). When I reflect on yesterday it's therefore natural to compare my impressions of these two occasions and how things change. It started off badly as I erroneously thought the boys would headline, so after the warm-up band I didn't fight for a position in the first row. Well, seems like the Heep is more known in Germany for whatever reason, so BOC came up next. That would also mean that they wouldn't play very long; I was dismayed. Anyway, I was perhaps in the fourth "row" so can't complain. Except for the fact that the front row seemed to be filled with people who weren't into the band - must be frustrating to play to a front row of blank faces. Here's the setlist as I remember it (probably not quite the correct order): Buck's Boogie OD'd Burning Stilts Quicklime Girl See you in black Black Blade Cities on Flame Buck guitar solo Godzilla (w/ Bass & Drum solo) Reaper -- D&S They seem to be changing the set list for every show; from my point of view this was perhaps the weakest set. Like, Black Blade is perhaps an interesting song and I hadn't heard it live before, but when you haven't played Germany for years, is this a good choice? Considering the many truly great songs that were left out? Same goes for Buck's Boogie. Also bothering were the prolonged bass and drum solos - in this space would easily fit 2-3 more songs. I realize precious little of BOC's material provides a good context for showing off your slap bass skills - as an exception Shooting Shark comes to mind - but I still would prefer hearing good bass and drum work in the context of the songs considering the available time. And why are they playing CoF so excruciatingly slow? This seems to be a trend they started a few years ago. Frequently it looked as if the guys weren't into it anymore. Interestingly, the new songs (Stilts, See you..) were played with more energy and the band was at its tightest. Perhaps not so surprising, after all. The sound in the venue was average. Buck's rhythm work came over clear, but the soloing was lost in the mix somewhere. Highlights for me were Quicklime Girl and D&S. The Reaper was also excellent; I think I heard a bit more cowbell than usual. :-) And, no, Eric wasn't responsible. The set was over much too quickly - naturally it wasn't their decision - and my ringing ears and sore throat prove that I enjoyed myself. However, looking back to that concert in 1992 it is obvious that the band has gotten older. Of course, who hasn't? But the sad truth is that I can't see BOC going for another ten years. I'd also wish that they'd be on tour forever - sharing their wonderful music - but the sad realization is that it's not going to happen. I can only hope that they stay healthy and keep on touring for as long as they deem meaningful. Maybe we'll get a few good years out of them yet. Pell -- Lysator Computer Society | email: pell at lysator.liu.se Linkoping University | WWW home at: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~pell/ Sweden | Life was easier when I didn't have one. From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Mon Dec 15 03:07:43 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c2a9$59d66430$afbd1543@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Lene Lovich & Nina Hagen did sing together on different occasions. (Don't kill the animals as most famous song. I think they even appeard in a movie together (Cha Cha), at least they are on the soundtrack together, and I have seen the movie but I dont remeber (the movie is completely crap btw, but if you love to see Herman Brood and Nina Hagen, go see it) And no, i never was in love with nina or lene...i was to young for it 25 years ago..... --BArt Citeren Stephe : > I used to be in love with Nina Hagen. Like 25 years ago. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Clark" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > Lena Lovich...hmmm..lessee....her 80's "hit song" - "A New Toy" - (Oh Ay > > Oh!) Kewl keyboards...but one of those songs that you hate because the > > melody sticks in yer brain. > > > > A tamer Nina Hagen, perhaps? > > > > http://www.knitwitology.net/knitlog/LenaLovich_NewToy.mp3 > > > > (Did this guy bootleg that mp3???) > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 05:13:46 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:13:46 -0000 Subject: HW - Lene Lovich Message-ID: I don't thin kit got to number one but it was a big chart hit in the late 1970's - post punk - on the Stiff label - I think it must be the 3rd verse that caught HW's eye? Lucky Number - Lebe Lovich Udy, udy, udy, udy etc... I never used to cry 'cause I was all alone For me, myself and I is all I've ever known I never felt the need to have a hand to hold In everything I do I take complete control That's where I'm coming from My Lucky Number's one I've everthing I need to keep me satisfied There's nothing you can do to make me change my mind I'm having so much fun My Lucky Number's one Ah! Oh! Ah! Oh! Ay ay ay ay ay... I now detect an alien vibration here There's something in the air besides the atmosphere The object of the action is becoming clear An imminent attack upon my heart I fear The evidence is strong My Lucky Number's rung Ah! Oh! Ah! Oh! Something tells me my Lucky Number's gonna be changing soon Something tells me Lucky Number's gonna be oweoweoweoweoweowe... You certainly do have a strange effect on me I never thought that I could feel the way I feel There's something in your eyes gives me a wild idea I never want to be apart from you my dear I guess it must be true My Lucky Number's two This rearrangement suits me now I must confess The number one was dull and number two is best I wanna stay with you My Lucky Number's two Ah! Oh! Ah! Oh! Number... Number... Fade Maxine From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Dec 14 05:51:35 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:51:35 +0100 Subject: HW:Lund-Olympen 1975 Message-ID: Hello, Somewhere on the net there are photos of the 1975 Lund Olympen (Sweden) concert. Does anyone know where? greetings filip From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Mon Dec 15 06:27:17 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:17 +0100 Subject: HW:Lund-Olympen 1975 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c230$41f1f2e0$5ee6a451@pandora.be> Message-ID: here: http://m1.315.telia.com/~u31507736/hawkew.html Citeren Filip Vanhuyse : > Hello, > > Somewhere on the net there are photos of the 1975 Lund Olympen (Sweden) > concert. > Does anyone know where? > > greetings > filip > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 06:31:38 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:31:38 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > If we are settled on the Angel - who has directions and what time are > people likely to be getting into town? > Show of hands who is likely to be around? Yup, I'll be there, as will Narendra. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 06:38:22 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:38:22 GMT Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > The example I was thinking of is not the WTC/Republican Party > Conference-type appearances. It was a fairly recent report on the CBS > evening news. A specific example they cited was when Bush was doing > some kind of whistle-stop appearance at a small town. The anti-Bush > protesters were herded off the beaten path, completely out of his > sight and earshot. However, pro-Bush supporters (or those neutral to > him) were allowed to line Main Street and cheer and wave signs as his > motorcade drove buy. > > Apparently this is standard MO at his personal appearances. More fool Bush and his cohort. Politicians who don't see what's going on stay uninformed and end up making the bad decisions which get 'em kicked out. > => What's clearly needed is another Amendment that says: > => > => "Nobody has a right to never feel upset. There's upsetting shit going on. > => Deal with it." > I'm not sure that would help at all, except maybe the bank balances of > lawyers. The nature of people is what will always improve the bank balances of lawyers. If only I'd realised this in my callow youth. The idea of getting paid to argue holds a strange fascination for me. > A corollary of the amendment would be that there are times when one > can legitimately feel upset. Absolutley, but it oughtn't to follow that someone can then ban whatever it was that upset them from being said. It's incumbent on folks who don't like what's said to argue with it, not whine for another law banning it. Usual limits apply regarding "theatre" and "fire". FoFP From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Dec 15 06:40:26 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:40:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:31:38 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Ian Abrahams writes: > >> If we are settled on the Angel - who has directions and what time are >> people likely to be getting into town? > >> Show of hands who is likely to be around? > you can count me in as well, look forward to seeing you all regards dave From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 15 07:54:56 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:54:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: Great! But - still need some directions :-) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > If we are settled on the Angel - who has directions and what time are > > people likely to be getting into town? > > > Show of hands who is likely to be around? > > Yup, I'll be there, as will Narendra. > > FoFP > > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Mon Dec 15 08:04:44 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:04:44 +1100 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: Lucky Number was a huge hit for Lovich in Australia in the mid eighties, but she is considered a One-hit Wonder. She had a very good vocal range, but we are talking 15 years, still I can't wait to hear what she's done on "The Album". Only one thing to say now - HURRY UP! Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > Did she do a single called "Lucky Number" that was a top ten hit...On stiff > wasnt it? > > Isnt she the person to whom that memorable quote..." A nuclear war would > really f**K up my carreer" was attributed ? Or am i thinking of someone else? > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 15 08:56:12 2003 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:56:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Yesterday's gig Message-ID: > Here's the setlist as I remember it (probably not quite the correct > order): > > Buck's Boogie > OD'd > Burning > Stilts > Quicklime Girl > See you in black > Black Blade > Cities on Flame > Buck guitar solo > Godzilla (w/ Bass & Drum solo) > Reaper > -- > D&S > > They seem to be changing the set list for every show; from my point of > view this was perhaps the weakest set. Like, Black Blade is perhaps an > interesting song and I hadn't heard it live before, but when you haven't > played Germany for years, is this a good choice? Considering the many > truly great songs that were left out? Same goes for Buck's Boogie. Sometimes, in terms of setlists, I think BOC can't ever do it right in some fans' opinions. What to choose out a vast and interesting catalog of music spanning 30 some odd years? Some fans would prefer to hear some of those more-rarely-played chestnuts, like Black Blade, and then others feel somehow cheated if every song off *Secret Treaties* isn't played. I'm not sure that the fact that they haven't played Germany for years is a good argument for leaving something out - o.k., maybe if they had left out one of the Big 3... > > Also bothering were the prolonged bass and drum solos - in this space > would easily fit 2-3 more songs. I realize precious little of BOC's > material provides a good context for showing off your slap bass skills - > as an exception Shooting Shark comes to mind - but I still would prefer > hearing good bass and drum work in the context of the songs considering > the available time. > I agree - Danny and Bobby are great musicians, but these solos are really not necessary - and as the setlists shrink, they should definitely be left out, or at least shortened way down. > And why are they playing CoF so excruciatingly slow? This seems to be a > trend they started a few years ago. Maybe Buck can't move his fingers as fast these days? ;-) I don't know - I've heard this song at many speeds, and I think it is somewhat interesting slow (maybe it makes for a better audience sing-along at that speed?), but not my preference. > > Frequently it looked as if the guys weren't into it anymore. > Interestingly, the new songs (Stilts, See you..) were played with more > energy and the band was at its tightest. Perhaps not so surprising, > after all. The sound in the venue was average. Buck's rhythm work came > over clear, but the soloing was lost in the mix somewhere. > Highlights for me were Quicklime Girl and D&S. The Reaper was also > excellent; I think I heard a bit more cowbell than usual. :-) And, no, > Eric wasn't responsible. > > The set was over much too quickly - naturally it wasn't their decision - > and my ringing ears and sore throat prove that I enjoyed myself. > > However, looking back to that concert in 1992 it is obvious that the band > has gotten older. Of course, who hasn't? But the sad truth is that I > can't see BOC going for another ten years. I'd also wish that they'd be > on tour forever - sharing their wonderful music - but the sad realization > is that it's not going to happen. I can only hope that they stay > healthy and keep on touring for as long as they deem meaningful. Maybe > we'll get a few good years out of them yet. > Well, enjoy 'em while you can - in 10 years Eric will be almost 70, so yeah, it's likely BOC won't be touring then. Then again, in 10 years I'll be almost 50 and probably won't be let into a club without taking my grandkids with me... ;-) John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 09:07:40 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:07:40 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > Great! But - still need some directions :-) I think The Angel was around the corner of Shaftesbur Avenue and St Giles High St. A 5 minute walk from the Astoria. Could someone in London please look up the address? FoFP From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Dec 14 09:07:05 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:07:05 +0100 Subject: HW:Lund-Olympen 1975 Message-ID: thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Brugmans" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lund-Olympen 1975 here: http://m1.315.telia.com/~u31507736/hawkew.html Citeren Filip Vanhuyse : > Hello, > > Somewhere on the net there are photos of the 1975 Lund Olympen (Sweden) > concert. > Does anyone know where? > > greetings > filip > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 15 09:23:04 2003 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:23:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: I'll be there to if anyone knows me, if I can find it that is. >From: Dave Law >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:40:26 -0500 > >On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:31:38 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > >Ian Abrahams writes: > > > >> If we are settled on the Angel - who has directions and what time are > >> people likely to be getting into town? > > > >> Show of hands who is likely to be around? > > > >you can count me in as well, look forward to seeing you all >regards >dave _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 15 10:34:18 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:34:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,181278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > Great! But - still need some directions :-) > > I think The Angel was around the corner of Shaftesbur Avenue and St > Giles High St. A 5 minute walk from the Astoria. Could someone in > London please look up the address? > > FoFP > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Dec 15 10:40:04 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:40:04 -0500 Subject: OT-Ancient Scottish Rite Message-ID: Scots Mark New Year With Fiery Ancient Rites Lara Suziedelis Bogle for National Geographic News December 31, 2002 Greeting the new year with friends and spirits is customary in many parts of the world. Residents of Scotland mark the arrival of the new year with particular passion in a holiday they call Hogmanay that draws on their history of Viking invasions, superstition, and ancient pagan rituals. Hogmanay's origins date back to pagan rituals that marked the time of the winter solstice. Roman celebrations of the hedonistic winter festival of Saturnalia and Viking celebrations of Yule (the origin of the twelve days of Christmas) contributed to celebrations in Scotland around the new year. These celebrations and other ceremonies evolved over the centuries to become the Hogmanay holiday celebrated in Scotland today. For many centuries in Scotland, Hogmanay was a far more important holiday than Christmas. Historians suggest this may have been a result of the Protestant Reformation after which Christmas, and its close ties to the Roman Catholic Church, was seen as "too Papist." Others point to the grueling work schedules of laborers during the Industrial Revolution which did not provide time off for the Christmas holiday. A costumed reveler watches the burning of a Viking long ship during the Up Helly Aa festival in Scotland's Shetland Islands. The festival is one of many customs practiced in Scotland to mark the new year. Only in the mid-20th century did Christmas emerge as the popular holiday it is in other Christian countries. But don't be fooled?New Year's still reigns supreme. In the last several years, two of Scotland's cities have hosted some of the largest street parties in the world. Hogmanay?Then and Now Today, Edinburgh and Glasgow are renowned for large outdoor street celebrations similar to New York City's New Year's Eve celebration in Times Square. Despite cold weather, the festivities draw large crowds and are marked by drinking and carousing into the wee hours of the morning. Thanks to marketing efforts, attendance has grown so overwhelming in recent years that tickets are now required to control crowds. Some of the country's more interesting Hogmanay traditions are found in private homes and in the Scottish Highlands and islands. A number extend well into the new year. A custom known as "first footing" dictates that the first person to cross a home's threshold after midnight on New Year's Eve will determine the homeowner's luck for the new year. The ideal visitor bears gifts?preferably whiskey, coal for the fire, small cakes, or a coin?and should be a man with a dark complexion. Why? The answer hearkens back to the 8th century, when the presumably fair-haired Vikings invaded Scotland: a blond visitor was not a good omen. Although less commonly practiced today, friends celebrate first footing by visiting each other's homes shortly after midnight. They share food and drink and exchange small gifts. It is also customary to sing Auld Lang Syne, the traditional song famously transcribed by Scottish poet Robert Burns. Another custom is to clean the house thoroughly and burn juniper to rid the house of evil spirits in the coming year. Many Hogmanay traditions involve fire, another throwback to pagan and Viking times. It is believed fire symbolized the sun's return after the winter solstice or was used to ward off evil spirits. Locals in the small town of Biggar in southern Scotland have built a bonfire every Hogmanay for hundreds of years, despite the complaints of some residents. In Stonehaven, a town on Scotland's east coast, the Ancient Fireballs Ceremony unfolds as sixty locals march through the town swinging large flaming spheres over their heads. Even more extreme is the ritual known as Up Helly Aa, which is carried out in towns in the Shetland Islands on the last Tuesday in January. A custom dating only back to the early 1800s, Up Helly Aa involves entire towns dressing up as Vikings and ceremonially burning a replica of a Viking ship?followed by raucous celebrating. No one can say for sure which traditions came from exactly where exactly when, only that thousands of years of history have blended to create the cultural centerpiece of the Scottish holiday season. Hogma-what? Even the origin of the word Hogmanay is a subject of debate. A few possibilities: It may derive from the Gaelic oge maiden meaning "new morning"; the Celtic hogunnus meaning "new year"; hoog min dag, a Flemish-Dutch phrase meaning "great love day"; or the Old French word aguillanneuf, which refers to both the last day of the year and the gift traditionally given on that day. The last possibility seems especially likely since one of the old Scottish traditions was for children to run from door to door on New Year's Eve asking for presents and shouting, Hogmanay! Whatever its origins, Hogmanay is an integral part of Scottish culture today. Apparently, one day to recover isn't enough: January 2nd is an official holiday in Scotland, too. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 11:20:55 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:20:55 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:34:18 -0000 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,181278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head down St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with Shaftesbury Avenue. Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on Charing Cross Road. FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 15 13:41:39 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:41:39 +0000 Subject: OT: OEB site changes and end of year message from SLOTERDIJK/OEBs Message-ID: Just a quick note to mention that I've updated the OEB/SLOTERDIJK site for the first time in quite a while. I've added an end of year message on behalf of the bands, my family and myself. You won't see any new images, but the place is now up to date. There are 8 free mp3 files, a few of which were unavailable before. Hope to see you at 'The NYC Greg Ridley Memorial Concert' , February 21rst. To check out the club, visit: http://www.baggotinn.com also see: http://www.gregridley.com and http://www.humblepie.net Best Wishes....Mike Burro _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 15 14:04:53 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:04:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: <200312151620.hBFGKtdx014839@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll be there too. Definitely a Wetherspoons, think it's the Moon Under Water (they often are, Wetherspoons that is, not moons). Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 15 December 2003 16:21 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Ian Abrahams writes: > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,18 1278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head down St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with Shaftesbury Avenue. Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on Charing Cross Road. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Dec 15 15:49:38 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:49:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: <200312151138.hBFBcMme004833@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:38:22AM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:38:22AM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > More fool Bush and his cohort. Politicians who don't see what's going on > stay uninformed and end up making the bad decisions which get 'em kicked > out. Indeed. Bush's desire to have underlings protect him from witnessing dissent reminds me very much of Suharto. I'm just glad they caught Saddam now instead of, say, next September. With luck, the thrill will have worn off by election day. > The idea of > getting paid to argue holds a strange fascination for me. You, Mike? Really? Who'd *ever* have guessed? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / It must be said that they would have sounded better if the singer wouldn't throw his fellow band members to the ground and toss the drum kit around during songs. - Patrick Lenneau From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 15 16:11:19 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:11:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: Sounds good - any particular Angelic time? I'll be having a lazy day in London (after what is brewing up to be a fairly gawd-awful day before I suspect 8-(() jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > I'll be there too. > Definitely a Wetherspoons, think it's the Moon Under Water (they often > are, Wetherspoons that is, not moons). > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 15 December 2003 16:21 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,18 > 1278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y > > That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head down > St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with > Shaftesbury Avenue. > > Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on Charing > Cross Road. > > FoFP > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Dec 15 16:25:48 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:25:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: <009201c3c34f$fd4fbd40$f8d7193e@jds> Message-ID: Hi Please lets choose only one pub In which one should we all meet? The ANGEL or the other one ??? Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Sounds good - any particular Angelic time? I'll be having a lazy day in London (after what is brewing up to be a fairly gawd-awful day before I suspect 8-(() jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > I'll be there too. > Definitely a Wetherspoons, think it's the Moon Under Water (they often > are, Wetherspoons that is, not moons). > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 15 December 2003 16:21 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,18 > 1278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y > > That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head down > St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with > Shaftesbury Avenue. > > Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on Charing > Cross Road. > > FoFP > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 15 16:54:02 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:54:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: yippee! this is what happened last time 8-) I begin to suspect that mailing lists are just rotating energy masses floating in a timewarp and sooner or later all the elements will recombine to form a previously existing environment. I vote we start off at the Angel (it's got food). Then folk can either stay there or drift off elsewhere but at least everyone will have had a chance to meet up there first. yrs in space jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > Hi > > Please lets choose only one pub > > In which one should we all meet? > The ANGEL or the other one ??? > > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > Sounds good - any particular Angelic time? I'll be having a lazy day in > London (after what is brewing up to be a fairly gawd-awful day before I > suspect 8-(() jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > I'll be there too. > > Definitely a Wetherspoons, think it's the Moon Under Water (they often > > > are, Wetherspoons that is, not moons). > > > > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On Behalf Of M Holmes > > Sent: 15 December 2003 16:21 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > > > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > > > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,18 > > 1278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y > > > > That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head > down > > St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with > > Shaftesbury Avenue. > > > > Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on Charing > > Cross Road. > > > > FoFP > > > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 15 17:24:14 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:24:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet Message-ID: I agree with Jill, the Angel is a good starting point. I guess we'll be there around 4.30 - 5.00 Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > yippee! this is what happened last time 8-) I begin to suspect that > mailing lists are just rotating energy masses floating in a timewarp and > sooner or later all the elements will recombine to form a previously > existing environment. > > I vote we start off at the Angel (it's got food). Then folk can either > stay there or drift off elsewhere but at least everyone will have had a > chance to meet up there first. > > yrs in space > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > Hi > > > > Please lets choose only one pub > > > > In which one should we all meet? > > The ANGEL or the other one ??? > > > > > > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > > > Sounds good - any particular Angelic time? I'll be having a lazy day > in > > London (after what is brewing up to be a fairly gawd-awful day before > I > > suspect 8-(() jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Lee" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:04 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > > > > I'll be there too. > > > Definitely a Wetherspoons, think it's the Moon Under Water (they > often > > > > > are, Wetherspoons that is, not moons). > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > > On Behalf Of M Holmes > > > Sent: 15 December 2003 16:21 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Pub Meet > > > > > > > > > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > > > > > This one, I guess? A Samuel Smith pub, 61 St Giles High Street. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530012&y=181278&z=0&sv=530012,18 > > > 1278&st=4&tl=Angel+-+location&bi=bgcolor=cccccc&lu=N&ar=y > > > > > > That's it. So from the Astoria, cross Charing Cross Road and head > > down > > > St.Giles High Street and it's on the right before the junction with > > > Shaftesbury Avenue. > > > > > > Closer to the gig we can head for the Moon Under Water (?) on > Charing > > > Cross Road. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 15 17:24:53 2003 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:24:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: obscure reference Message-ID: I was reading the Harvey Pekar comics the other day ("American Splendor"). I believe it was the last or second to last "strip" of Part 1 (roughly halfway through the book), at the end of the strip entitled "Grubstreet", a grubby Cleveland city street is shown, some graffiti, amongst which the names scribbled on a wall are "The Godz" and "B.O.C." - next to said name though was also the BOC symbol (what do we call that again??). the hook-cross and the dot...whatever... don't recall who the artist on that partic. strip was, maybe R. Crumb. Chuck From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 15 18:13:24 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:13:24 +0000 Subject: Hawk midi??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Henderson Keith writes >Bart Brugmans hat geschrieben... > >>>I've been hanging out for the watch-mobiles >>>where there's no speaker and you have to stick your finger in your ear >>>to hear the conversation by bone conduction. > >>Hmmm..intersting idea...i'll talk to R&D about it, and see if they can >gen-mod >>a babelfish at the same time... > >No, I think this is real (the bone-phone I mean; sadly not the Babelfish, >just yet anyway), as I saw something about it too. But you never >know...just because it was on the 'news' doesn't mean much these >days, as far as truth goes. > >Grakkl (FAA), who's holding out for a 'Frankenbabelfish' in >glow-in-the-dark designer colors Bonephones will be available at the end of the month. Allegedly. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/34516.html -- David Blair From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Dec 15 18:32:44 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:32:44 -0000 Subject: HW:Lene Lovich Message-ID: me neither - if it works well, can we look forward to a rendezvous with Diamanda Galas next (just kidding!!) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > Lucky Number was a huge hit for Lovich in Australia in the mid eighties, but > she is considered a One-hit Wonder. > > She had a very good vocal range, but we are talking 15 years, still I can't > wait to hear what she's done on "The Album". > > Only one thing to say now - HURRY UP! > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: HW:Lene Lovich > > > > Did she do a single called "Lucky Number" that was a top ten hit...On > stiff > > wasnt it? > > > > Isnt she the person to whom that memorable quote..." A nuclear war would > > really f**K up my carreer" was attributed ? Or am i thinking of someone > else? > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Dec 15 19:02:02 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:02:02 -0500 Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: Speaking of cowbells.... watching `cannibal the musical' the other day..quite funny, a musical about Alferd Packer the 19th century cannibal from Colorado... in the grand finale dance number (`hang the bastard' i believe it's called) they stop and someone yells out COWBELL SOLO and some guy bangs away on a cowbell for a good 15 seconds. Had to back that up and run it again. LOL interestingly enough, the dvd also has a public service announcement done by Lemmy about hermaphrodites!! yeah...life is good... tim 8>)... JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > > Hey: > > Just got the Jan '04 issue of Guitar One, and they have and article, "Top 10 > Cowbell Classics," compiled by Robert Cherry: > 10. 'Dance the Night Away'-Van Halen > 9. 'Hair of the Dog'-Nazareth > 8. 'We're Not Gonna Take It'-Twisted Sister > 7. 'Low Rider'-War > 6. 'Working for the Weekend'-Loverboy > 5. 'Evil Ways'-Santana > 4. 'We're an American Band'-Grand Funk Railroad > 3. 'Mississippi Queen'-Mountain > 2. 'Honky Tonk Woman'- The Rolling Stones > And, our heroes > 1. 'Don't Fear the Reaper'-Blue Oyster Cult :"Contrary to the SNL skit, it > was 'stun' guitarist > Eric Bloom, not the fictional Gene Frenkle who 'explored the studio space' > with his cowbell. The thinking man's hard-rock group were doubtless making a > clever literary allusion with their choice in percussion, as in 'Ask not for whom > the [cow] bell tolls; it tolls for thee.' Or maybe they just wanted to peg > the kickass-ometer." From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Dec 15 22:10:27 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:10:27 -0500 Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: Very funny movie. . . pre "South Park" insanity from the creators of that show. "Let's Build a SNowman". . . easily one of greatest moments in the history of the movie musical. --Nick >Speaking of cowbells.... watching `cannibal the >musical' the other day..quite funny, a musical >about Alferd Packer the 19th century cannibal from >Colorado... in the grand finale dance number (`hang >the bastard' i believe it's called) they stop and >someone yells >out COWBELL SOLO and some guy bangs away on a >cowbell for a good 15 seconds. >Had to back that up and run it again. LOL >interestingly enough, the dvd also has a public >service announcement done by Lemmy >about hermaphrodites!! >yeah...life is good... >tim 8>)... >JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > Hey: > > > > Just got the Jan '04 issue of Guitar One, and >they have and article, "Top 10 > > Cowbell Classics," compiled by Robert Cherry: > > 10. 'Dance the Night Away'-Van Halen > > 9. 'Hair of the Dog'-Nazareth > > 8. 'We're Not Gonna Take It'-Twisted Sister > > 7. 'Low Rider'-War > > 6. 'Working for the Weekend'-Loverboy > > 5. 'Evil Ways'-Santana > > 4. 'We're an American Band'-Grand Funk Railroad > > 3. 'Mississippi Queen'-Mountain > > 2. 'Honky Tonk Woman'- The Rolling Stones > > And, our heroes > > 1. 'Don't Fear the Reaper'-Blue Oyster Cult >:"Contrary to the SNL skit, it > > was 'stun' guitarist > > Eric Bloom, not the fictional Gene Frenkle who >'explored the studio space' > > with his cowbell. The thinking man's hard-rock >group were doubtless making a > > clever literary allusion with their choice in >percussion, as in 'Ask not for whom > > the [cow] bell tolls; it tolls for thee.' Or >maybe they just wanted to peg > > the kickass-ometer." From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 06:13:40 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:13:40 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:11:19 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: [The Night of the Hawk...] > Sounds good - any particular Angelic time? I'll be having a lazy day in > London (after what is brewing up to be a fairly gawd-awful day before I > suspect 8-(() OK The Angel it is, between 3.30 and 4.30 starting time depending on who gets there first. We'll eat there and consider heading for the Moon Under Water ex-club place on Charing Cross about 6.00-6.30. To get to the Angel, cross Charing Cross Road from the Astoria and head up St.Giles High Street. The Angel is on the Right and if you get to the junction with Shaftesbury Avenue, you've gone too far. See y'all there... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 06:22:43 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:22:43 GMT Subject: OFF: Free speech entended at US University! In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:38:22AM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > More fool Bush and his cohort. Politicians who don't see what's going on > > stay uninformed and end up making the bad decisions which get 'em kicked > > out. > > Indeed. Bush's desire to have underlings protect him from > witnessing dissent reminds me very much of Suharto. Y'see I wonder if that really is Bush's wish. I don't hold with all this talk of him being stupid. He's clumsy and clearly has some kind of speech aphasia which runs in the family, but I think he makes a lot of political capital by playing to the cowboy stereotype and letting his opponents underestimate him. The guy beat Ann Richards, who was a talented politician to say the least. What I suspect is that the folks around him get too overprotective. They blew it imagewise on 11/9 by moving him to a Secret Underground Base and I think they're making a mess of it by having legions of armed guards to tour London etc. > I'm just glad they caught Saddam now instead of, say, next > September. With luck, the thrill will have worn off by election > day. If the Dems run Dean, it'll be down to the economy. If the secular bear market makes a new low in 2004 (which assumes that mid 2003 to now is a standard bull rally), and the housing market/debt bubble goes south with it, I think Bush will lose. Otherwise nothing short of a terrorist nuke on the mainland will shift him. Looks like Gore and Hilary have already figured that out and are betting that the economy will hold. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 06:24:42 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:24:42 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Pub Meet In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > Hi > > Please lets choose only one pub > > In which one should we all meet? > The ANGEL or the other one ??? The Angel unless it's very close to doors opening, in which case check the Moon Under Water. My days of liquid-only diets before hawkgigs are over. Food is mandatory for me now. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 08:17:25 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:17:25 GMT Subject: OFF: Bun sales banned at Universities after violence erupts In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:22:43 GMT Message-ID: Campus cookies canned as critics create crisis: http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=bake_sale_121103.html From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 16 09:56:30 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:56:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bun sales banned at Universities after violence erupts In-Reply-To: <200312161317.hBGDHP5e014425@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:17:25PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => Campus cookies canned as critics create crisis: => => http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=bake_sale_121103.html Were legacy admissions and "student athletes" given free cookies? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 11:35:47 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:35:47 GMT Subject: OFF: Bun sales banned at Universities after violence erupts In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:17:25PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => Campus cookies canned as critics create crisis: > => > => http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=bake_sale_121103.html > > Were legacy admissions and "student athletes" given free cookies? It'd be better if the athletes got them as prizes on Games Day and the legacy students had to have their parents buy them cookies. I gather Bureaucrash tried a similar stunt with cold drinks at the sundry Global Whining events: they had "Fair Trade" prices and "Free Trade" prices. I'd have added "Rigged Trade" prices too, but maybe that's just me. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 16 12:29:25 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:29:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bun sales banned at Universities after violence erupts In-Reply-To: <200312161635.hBGGZldB017787@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 04:35:47PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => > Were legacy admissions and "student athletes" given free cookies? => => It'd be better if the athletes got them as prizes on Games Day and the => legacy students had to have their parents buy them cookies. But that would not model well the students-who-happen-to-be-athletes- and-strictly-not-athletes-who-happen-to-be-students paradigm that is the Official Truth. Maybe legacy students could also have others eat the cookies for them, and others take the rap for any spilled crumbs? :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 16 17:00:07 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:00:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:27:30 +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: >If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the >same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to >hallucinate in? Can I have my "Collectors Club" releases on 15ips 1/2" 8-track, please? The sound quality of those is far superior to CD's. (Yes, that's sarcasm. I'm as likely to hook up the reel-to-reel and mixer to my stereo as I am to hook up the computer so I can play 48kHz audio files. Or to buy a 5:1 system to listen to Hawkwind live recordings on. Although the sound quality issue is very true.) -Doug (back from Stuttgart, where I left two days too early to see B?C, and was too lazy to see Mot?rhead last week ... did catch the Dirtbombs and Jacobites, though!) jasret at mindspring.com From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Dec 16 18:33:11 2003 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:33:11 -0500 Subject: The Right Stuff on upcoming Monster Magnet? Message-ID: As seen on the MM bulletin board: The new MM album Just heard on a Swedish radio show that there will be a cover of Captain Lockhead & the Starfighter's song "The right stuff" on the new album. Maybe this is old news. Anyone hear it at the Astoria show? Dan. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:27:30 +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: >If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the >same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to >hallucinate in? Can I have my "Collectors Club" releases on 15ips 1/2" 8-track, please? The sound quality of those is far superior to CD's. (Yes, that's sarcasm. I'm as likely to hook up the reel-to-reel and mixer to my stereo as I am to hook up the computer so I can play 48kHz audio files. Or to buy a 5:1 system to listen to Hawkwind live recordings on. Although the sound quality issue is very true.) -Doug (back from Stuttgart, where I left two days too early to see B?C, and was too lazy to see Mot?rhead last week ... did catch the Dirtbombs and Jacobites, though!) jasret at mindspring.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 16 19:44:13 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:44:13 EST Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/2003 7:03:26 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: interestingly enough, the dvd also has a public service announcement done by Lemmy about hermaphrodites!! This wasn't a Troma film perchance? Lemmy does a PSA about hermies (featuring the two dudes from South Park, I recall) at the end of 'Tromeo and Juliet' or maybe 'Terror Firma.' Joe From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Wed Dec 17 04:16:25 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:16:25 +0100 Subject: The Right Stuff on upcoming Monster Magnet? Message-ID: I've got it on a live gig they played in 1999,Brighton Bar,Longbranch,New Jersey Powerfull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: The Right Stuff on upcoming Monster Magnet? As seen on the MM bulletin board: The new MM album Just heard on a Swedish radio show that there will be a cover of Captain Lockhead & the Starfighter's song "The right stuff" on the new album. Maybe this is old news. Anyone hear it at the Astoria show? Dan. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: A suggestion :was: From Hawkwind On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:27:30 +0000, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET wrote: >If it turns out production costs of limited edition dvd is about the >same as for cd then why not give us 96k multichannel dreamscape void to >hallucinate in? Can I have my "Collectors Club" releases on 15ips 1/2" 8-track, please? The sound quality of those is far superior to CD's. (Yes, that's sarcasm. I'm as likely to hook up the reel-to-reel and mixer to my stereo as I am to hook up the computer so I can play 48kHz audio files. Or to buy a 5:1 system to listen to Hawkwind live recordings on. Although the sound quality issue is very true.) -Doug (back from Stuttgart, where I left two days too early to see B?C, and was too lazy to see Mot?rhead last week ... did catch the Dirtbombs and Jacobites, though!) jasret at mindspring.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 16 21:45:33 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:45:33 -0500 Subject: BOC:"Stun Cowbell"? Message-ID: Yes, it is a Troma film, probably same psa you saw. tim JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 12/15/2003 7:03:26 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > interestingly enough, the dvd also has a public service announcement done by > Lemmy > about hermaphrodites!! > This wasn't a Troma film perchance? Lemmy does a PSA about hermies > (featuring the two dudes from South Park, I recall) at the end of 'Tromeo and > Juliet' > or maybe 'Terror Firma.' > > Joe From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Dec 17 10:36:46 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:36:46 -0000 Subject: Astoria, 21st Message-ID: I too will be in the Angel, subject to the ususal caveats. The easiest way to find it (nobody else seems to have mentioned this) >From the Astoria, cross the road and turn right down Charing X Rd. Turn left along Denmark St. (dangerous for guitar freaks - you can die of dehydration drooling in the shop windows) At the end of Denmark St. bear (slightly) right and the Angel is just past the church on the right. Cheers ChrisW See ya there. P.S. Monster Magnet rocked! Current playlist: All of the "Best of Year" Cds from the music mags.... From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Dec 17 11:00:01 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:00:01 -0000 Subject: Off:/HW:Re: The Right Stuff on upcoming Monster Magnet? Message-ID: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: >As seen on the MM bulletin board: >The new MM album >Just heard on a Swedish radio show that there will be a cover >of Captain Lockhead & the Starfighter's song "The right stuff" >on the new album. > >Maybe this is old news. Anyone hear it at the Astoria show? Sho' 'nuff. They played it at The Astoria. Large grins immediately induced. Dam' fine night out it was too. Amusing and v.calculated "sacrifice" of a cheap Squier Strat by DW... ChrisW From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Dec 17 12:23:29 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:23:29 +0000 Subject: URL for NYC Greg Ridley Memorial Concert, February 21, 2002 Message-ID: The following URL will take you to a specially designed flyer for 'The NYC Greg Ridley Memorial Concert' at The Baggot Inn, New York City, February 21, 2004 http://www.spraci.net/events/27838.html On the flyer site, there is a discussion board for those who wish to network or exchange thoughts regarding the concert. If you plan to attend and you want to talk about the show with other people who might be going, this is the ideal forum. Please exchange this information with all interested or relevent parties. Don't forget, another way of getting most of the same information is by visiting the Official Greg Ridley website at: http://www.gregridley.com see also: http://www.humble-pie.net PS: The One Eyed Bishops website is experiencing difficulties due to a data & image crash yesterday. We are working to rebuild it, and hope to have all the errors corrected within a few days. Cheers and all the very best...Mike Burro _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Dec 17 13:57:10 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:57:10 -0500 Subject: Recent Harvey gigs Message-ID: Did anyone go to any of the recent gigs? I haven't seen any posts about them. Surely somebody had to have. Cheers Stephe From opticmind at MSN.COM Thu Dec 18 15:27:10 2003 From: opticmind at MSN.COM (ANNETTE VILLANI) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:27:10 +0000 Subject: Recent Harvey gigs Message-ID: hey take note ........my new email address is johnvillani at sbcglobal.net cheers >From: Stephe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Recent Harvey gigs >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:57:10 -0500 > >Did anyone go to any of the recent gigs? I haven't seen any posts about >them. Surely somebody had to have. Cheers Stephe _________________________________________________________________ Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Fri Dec 19 14:12:03 2003 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:12:03 -0000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind Dreams Message-ID: I had a Hawkwind dream the other night, no doubt due to my impending Astoria trip. I'm no dream analyst but there are some roots to these dreams which I will mark in square brackets. It was a summer's night and the venue for the gig was in an English town (dunno what it was called, but let's call it Nottingcesterham). The venue itself, dunno its name but I had been there in previous Hawkwind dreams. It was bounded on both sides by 2 roads and inside there was a modern swing door foyer. At the back you had to go up a small round stone staircase to get out. This had a kind of balcony and it was nicely painted in black, purple and orange stars and things. The hall itself had a low stage. ( just checking if anyone else recognises it.) The gig itself was strange. I was running around trying to take photos but my flash wouldn't work [this is probably because I'm thinking my disposable camera photos will be crap]. Dave, Alan and Richard were sitting round a table, surrounded by fans, and were playing er, no instruments. I forget the first numbers they played but they finished with an a capella version of Golden Void. [As far as I am consciously aware, I have no desire to hear an unplugged Hawkwind]. After that I saw the new album and I remember being distinctly dismayed that Sunray and Slide weren't on it, but a few re-hashed oldies were on it. [I know exactly where I'm coming from here - I think Sunray was fabulous and would like it to become a mainstay of the live set, but that'll never happen as it can only ever be played when Arthur's there. A bit like my feelings for Xenomorph in that it's a "Ron" song. Anyway I digress. I think Slide I thought of cos it's in the website, and the title intrigued me, even if it's a working title. And the re-hashed oldies bit - that's dead obvious - it's all about Spirit of the Age and my feeling of dismay that it's the single, when the current live version is one of the poorest renditions I've heard]. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by the single when I get it. That's about all I can remember apart from that I met some of you there. One of you had your wife with you and she was small and had long dark wavy hair. We always seemed to start talking at the same time and she got really annoyed with me interrupting. Also, I was supposed to get a lift from someone from the airport to the venue, but I had somehow made it to the venue myself with no recollection of the journey (as happens in dreams). I was trying to phone my lift when.... And then I woke up. Cheers Alan See you in WC2. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Dec 19 14:38:52 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:38:52 -0000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind Dreams In-Reply-To: <005201c3c663$fd6fcb50$89cc2f50@al74ybgib5c6h8> Message-ID: At least I wasn't in that one. Didn't know whether to feel flattered or slightly disturbed at my appearance in Mike's. Nick - not making any jokes this time about Trev Hughes turning up ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor > Sent: 19 December 2003 19:12 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW : Hawkwind Dreams > > > I had a Hawkwind dream the other night, no doubt due to my > impending Astoria trip. I'm no dream analyst but there are > some roots to these dreams which I will mark in square brackets. > > It was a summer's night and the venue for the gig was in an > English town (dunno what it was called, but let's call it > Nottingcesterham). The venue itself, dunno its name but I > had been there in previous Hawkwind dreams. It was bounded > on both sides by 2 roads and inside there was a modern swing > door foyer. At the back you had to go up a small round stone > staircase to get out. This had a kind of balcony and it was > nicely painted in black, purple and orange stars and things. > The hall itself had a low stage. ( just checking if anyone > else recognises it.) > > The gig itself was strange. I was running around trying to > take photos but my flash wouldn't work [this is probably > because I'm thinking my disposable camera photos will be > crap]. Dave, Alan and Richard were sitting round a table, > surrounded by fans, and were playing er, no instruments. I > forget the first numbers they played but they finished with > an a capella version of Golden Void. [As far as I am > consciously aware, I have no desire to hear an unplugged Hawkwind]. > > After that I saw the new album and I remember being > distinctly dismayed that Sunray and Slide weren't on it, but > a few re-hashed oldies were on it. [I know exactly where I'm > coming from here - I think Sunray was fabulous and would like > it to become a mainstay of the live set, but that'll never > happen as it can only ever be played when Arthur's there. A > bit like my feelings for Xenomorph in that it's a "Ron" song. > Anyway I digress. I think Slide I thought of cos it's in > the website, and the title intrigued me, even if it's a > working title. And the re-hashed oldies bit - that's dead > obvious - it's all about Spirit of the Age and my feeling of > dismay that it's the single, when the current live version is > one of the poorest renditions I've heard]. Maybe I'll be > pleasantly surprised by the single when I get it. > > That's about all I can remember apart from that I met some of > you there. One of you had your wife with you and she was > small and had long dark wavy hair. We always seemed to start > talking at the same time and she got really annoyed with me > interrupting. Also, I was supposed to get a lift from > someone from the airport to the venue, but I had somehow made > it to the venue myself with no recollection of the journey > (as happens in dreams). I was trying to phone my lift when.... > > And then I woke up. > > Cheers > Alan > > See you in WC2. > From tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM Fri Dec 19 20:38:19 2003 From: tclark at COX-INTERNET.COM (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:38:19 -0600 Subject: Soundbytes of forthcoming album?? In-Reply-To: <003701c3c667$bb67a990$af540352@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: Quick question to Hawkwind is to ask if the band might offer sneak preview soundbytes of the new album?? Perhaps if enough list members vote for that, we can talk them into it? Hmmmmm..... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 20 14:32:56 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:32:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards (was: my trip to the Milky Way) In-Reply-To: <001c01c397ff$8eb9ecf0$dde7223f@DrSBlackman> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Michael Blackman wrote: > Keith Barton... Added some exellent sounds to the amsterdam set at the > melkweg and at the fest seemed to do fine but I couldn't really hear him > well enough to really say. Then again I was right at the front of the > stage. Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing him with the Hawks, I haven't managed it yet. While I mention it, does anyone want a ticket? It's looking increasingly likely that we can't find a babysitter so Kirsten won't be able to make it. This means I have a spare ticket... > Jerry Richards is a definate talent on the guitar and his part in the > Australian studio 22 show was exellent.... but to compare his playing as > being too much like Dave??????? Thanks for the laugh - but I see no > comparison - two totally distinct styles I'd say. Jerry's style is his own, but he can do what not many other people can which is a passable impression of Dave's. And then some stuff of his own. > Huw Lloyd Langton - well, no one can compare. Forever legendary in my book. This is it, another unique or all-but player. But when I've seen them both with Dave, separately or together, it's seemed to me that whereas Huw's soloes are utterly apart from what Dave does, though they work well with the music of course, Jerry's fitted *with* Dave's parts better, and thus stood out less, which was my original point or was meant to be. Huw is stark and clear where Jerry is cunning and choppy. Does anyone else know what I mean? I prefer Huw's playing, to listen to, but Jerry's possibly more fun to watch. Yours, Jon ObCD: Pink Floyd - _Atom Heart Mother_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 14:53:58 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:53:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: Can you believe this, in the 21st Century there are no scheduled trains from Cornwall on the last Sunday before Christmas? Makes you wonder why we ever got mixed up with the English in the first place. So, its a drive to Exeter and then train to London. Arrive at hotel about 2pm, to meet-up with Hawkwind-virgin Keith Topping (motto: "kill the hippies" or on good days "why did we fight the Punk wars again?") and settle down in the lounge in front of a very welcome log fire and await the arrival of Bernhard and Andreas, who we've sorted out accommodation for. The Germans duly arrive, and we make the Angel by about 5pm. Great to see a lot of the list crowd, Alan Linsley, Alan Taylor, Mike Holmes, Jill Stobridge, David Law, Chris Purdon, Nick Lee et al - people who I didn't know this time last year and many of who are now great friends. Interesting chat with Mike about various of his Glastonbury and Stonehenge experiences. We all try to remember the name of the Tory MP who played in a Hawkwind tribute band, and nobody can come up with it - any takers here? Grab some food in the Moon Under Water (serious lack of table space nearly prevents this) and then on to the gig. Grab a quick chat with Colin then stand back to watch the support band. Hmmm, not quite my taste but o/k - sort of expect to see Huw do his acoustic numbers before the main act and start to wonder where he is. Hawkwind set. The trio, plus Keith B and Lene Lovich. I still see this, no disrespect to Keith, as a trio gig. I know Colin explained what to listen out for, but I still struggled with my non-musician's ear to pick out what bits Keith was playing. Now, nothing wrong with a trio gig - by nature they are very tight and well defined musically and produced two of my favourite albums. But, sometimes I feel that they still need a Huw, or a Simon House or a Keith K to produce something a bit more random, a bit more unexpected. It can be a bit like a mis-produced Cadbury's Creme Egg - nice to look at, tasty on the outside, but with a bit of the fondant centre missing. Still, a great show none-the-less - there's been some set-lists posted already, so I'll just pick-out the highlights as being the new material (roll-on the new record), Lene Lovich who looked and sounded pretty damn weird, Brainbox Pollution and the very cute dancers. Unreconstructed male, me. Boy was Davey giving it some on the bass! But also a lot more keyboards than at Exeter a couple of months back, so not such a gritty, grungy sound. Alan playing synths for the first time since he came back (?), and Keith B as well, which gave a richer texture to the wall of sound - very much in favour of this. Huw's bit came mid show and would have been better as an opener, I thought but: Marvellous to see Huw in such good form, played really well and looked so much better than the pictures from Hawkfest revealed - lots of nice comments going around the audience - I think everybody was relieved to see this. Nice to see Dave sat on stage listening to some of Huw's stuff - showed a bit of support, I thought. Amused to see Dave singing Spirit of the Age without having to play guitar as well - its the first time I've seen him just stand up and sing a song - and it showed, because he certainly didn't know what to do with his hands! Downside, I thought the backdrop projections were spoilt from where I was standing by the fixed Astoria multi-coloured lighting that swamped out some of the images - a shame because what we did see looked really cool (a few clips of the Reefer Madness film in there?) and would have been really effective with the big screen to show them on. Best bit? Blagging our way into the 12-Bar on Denmark Street after the show via Mike Holmes' "Let us in - we're the hardcore fans". Laugh - well, yes, I did! Only bit afterwards of note was chatting to Martin Griffin at the party - quite a character! Yep, Good One. For my particular Hawkwind taste, preferred Bristol early in the year with Simon and with Arthur Brown's theatrics, but this was a damn good expression of Hawkwind as well and made particularly exciting by the amount of new material going around. Ian From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 11 02:58:38 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael B) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:28:38 +1030 Subject: Astoria night Message-ID: you can all stay at my place - condition - bring Hawkwind as well. ----------------------------------- Ace Rimmer (Space Adventurer) http://www.alien-dream.com ** smoke me a kipper.... I'll be back for breakfast ** (Alien Dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Astoria night > It's getting closer! Has anyone decided on a pre-gig pub meeting > place yet? I'm sure there were divided preferences last time but I > can't remember what the choices were. > > Is anyone else staying overnight in London? I've got my accommodation > sorted out but I know there are still people thinking about where to > stay who would appreciate some (not too expensive!) recommendations. > > cheers > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From sam.kirwan at NTLWORLD.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 01:19:26 2003 From: sam.kirwan at NTLWORLD.CO.UK (Sam K) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:19:26 +0000 Subject: HW:Astoria Message-ID: Excellent gig, even with Dave fixing his Electronic Chess half way through?!? :-) And, as usual, after Hawkwind....Reality Sucks! Roll on the next gig. Sam K From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Dec 23 04:43:16 2003 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:43:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <020801c3c8c5$572d3980$fa23fea9@r1e1j2> Message-ID: Hi folks, Due to booking Kings of Leon tickets B4 the Hawkwind gig, I missed the XMAS Hawkwind gig - Kings of Leon were brilliant thanks I seem to be having problem with mail and Ian Abrahams mail is the only one I seem to have on the subject. Can anyone tell me what the Set list was please... how were the Astoria Police as pleasant as ever ? Regards Iain Ian Abrahams wrote: > Can you believe this, in the 21st Century there are no scheduled > trains from Cornwall on the last Sunday before Christmas? Makes you > wonder why we ever got mixed up with the English in the first place. > So, its a drive to Exeter and then train to London. > From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Dec 23 05:24:54 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:54 -0000 Subject: ASTORIA Message-ID: > Can you believe this, in the 21st Century there are no scheduled > trains = from Cornwall on the last Sunday before Christmas? Makes you > wonder why = we ever got mixed up with the English in the first place. > So, its a = drive to Exeter and then train to London.=20 Bugger, we got this messsage to late to muster the 'English' troups at the border, blast!! > Boy was Davey giving it some on the bass! He was a tad 'animated' wasn't he!! > Huw's bit came mid show and would have been better as an opener, I = > thought but: Marvellous to see Huw in such good form, played really > well [snip] >Nice to see Dave sat on stage > listening to some of = Huw's stuff - showed a bit of support, I > thought.=20 I couldn't figure out why he was playing solo, the songs were HW - guess it was because he just playing 'snippets'. As you say tho' Ian - on really great form. > Amused to see Dave singing Spirit of the Age By this time I had meandered up onto the balcony and I think my optician might be right - a pair of glasses might be on the cards for the next year.. >From up in the clouds the whole band looked like small furry balls... but sound wise I was, as ever, in heaven. > cool (a few clips of the Reefer Madness film in > there?) and would have = been really effective with the big screen to > show them on. You should have gone to the Hawfest, although all that way north is an awfull anount of 'england' to travel through & survive ;-) !! regards Maxine From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 23 07:19:30 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:49:30 +1030 Subject: new fans in oztraylia Message-ID: I've been watching the Love in space and black sword dvd's with my band mates and their respective girlfriends and friends of our band. We got in the "zone" a few nights ago and everyone was totally blown away! Comments varied from simple "wows" to"holy shit this is trippin me right out....." These friends are all eager to see a live show now. I really hope Hawkwind can come to Australia next year. From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Dec 23 09:42:38 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:42:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: Iain Ferguson writes :- "I seem to be having problem with mail and Ian Abrahams mail is the only one I seem to have on the subject. Can anyone tell me what the Set list was please..." I seem to be suffering from the same problem. Any kind Santas out there want to repost / post setlist & review of the Astoria gig ? Cheers Neil. From youless at COX.NET Tue Dec 23 10:10:55 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:10:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: Hi BOC-L has been down, hence the lack of posts. But I have what you are looking for at Starfarer's Hawkwind Page... http://www.starfarer.net Click on the red What's New link and then on the London Astoria 21/12/03 Gig Review link. (There are 4 full-length reviews posted there including a setlist) Cheers Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:42:38 +0000, Neil Shilladay wrote: >Iain Ferguson writes :- > >"I seem to be having problem with mail and Ian Abrahams mail is the only >one I seem to have on the subject. Can anyone tell me what the Set list >was please..." > >I seem to be suffering from the same problem. Any kind Santas out there >want to repost / post setlist & review of the Astoria gig ? > >Cheers >Neil. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 16:12:01 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:12:01 -0000 Subject: HW:Astoria Message-ID: 3D electronic chess!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam K" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:19 AM Subject: HW:Astoria > Excellent gig, even with Dave fixing his Electronic Chess half way through?!? :-) And, as usual, after Hawkwind....Reality Sucks! > > Roll on the next gig. > > Sam K > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 19:10:29 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:10:29 -0000 Subject: Astoria Gig Message-ID: As far as I'm concerned, they ROCKED. Yes, dull passages, but when they rocked out, they rocked. Seriously rocked. And, much as I love Huw, was his set a case of "HEY! LOOK! HUW CAN STAND UP AND BORE EVERYONE SH1TLESS"? Maybe that's just me. Lena Lovitch was fantastic (if it was in fact Lena Lovitch - I suspect it was actually Nik in a funny wig and a dress...) Hey - it is in fact the spirit of the age. Loved it. Cheers, Rich. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Dec 23 19:27:19 2003 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:27:19 -0500 Subject: BRAIN:no electic slide at this barn dance Message-ID: First off, thanks Bri for the Xmas pres. just got it today. Started "in the beginning..." Wow, I felt old alluvasuddin; back to the days where everyone's hair was flagrantly in violation of any military barbering requirement with Billy,Pete and co. Kudos on having footage of the grat and mightly piglip which graces the cover of Pete's sole solo CD. Most suprising and welcome were "Kiss TOmorrow Goodbye" (what was that TV show?), Albert's cornrows, David's beard, the 5 guitars, Sally(!), and the stately and joyous closing music recalling the Christmas of our lives. The stills include guest "shots" of Mike Watt, Richard Meltzer (right?), and some excellent snaps of the exhaustion and fun of being on the road. The interview is funny because of Albert n' Deb in their Eponymous backphoto jackets. Blast of the past indeed! Part 2 is the brain surgeons now. A classic version of Godzilla for including a minor and for those who haven't hear them yet, it provides a ery different take on sounds you're used to from the studio. Good stuff! Also, props to BOC-l'er jean lansford for her camera duties. The Travelogue is cool -- a peak behind what happens when a band is on tour, with a very informative waitress. This is definitely for those who are hardcore Brain Surgeon fans because it rocks out and reminds y'all what a rare thing it is for work to be play. All that aside, thisi s a great DVD, for me me at least, because it quite honestly made me nostalgic for a run through of all the ole' albums again and it astonished me how much has changed for Albert, Deborah and Dave since they set off as the Brain Surgeons. To put it one way, this collection proves how a life without music would be a mistake. Thanks to everynioe involved in rocking and rolling (here and beyond) Jason From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 23 21:01:04 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:01:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:10:29 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >As far as I'm concerned, they ROCKED. Yes, dull passages, but when they >rocked out, they rocked. Seriously rocked. Agreed! > >And, much as I love Huw, was his set a case of "HEY! LOOK! HUW CAN STAND >UP AND BORE EVERYONE SH1TLESS"? Not agreed! I thought Huw was superb- easily the best acoustic spot I've seen him do. Those were the definitive versions of Solitary Mind Games and Waiting for Tomorrow as far as I'm concerned- great fiery playing, and great to see Huw up and at 'em again. I did a review of this gig which didn't make it onto the list during the recent listserv problems, but it and a few others are on Steve Youles' www.starfarer.net site, if anyone cares. season's greetings to all Nick From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 23 05:50:04 2003 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:50:04 +0100 Subject: HW:Astoria Setlist Message-ID: -Arrival in Utopia -Angela Android* -Assault and Battery -The Golden Void -Where are you now -New Instrumental- -Another New Instrumental- -The Right Stuff -Paranoia -Hurry on Sundown -Acoustic Set by Huwie: 5th Second of Forever Solitary Mindgames 5th Second of Forever Waiting for Tomorrow -Wings -Ejection* -Heads -Sun Ray -Brainbox Pollution Encore: -Spirit of the Age* -Master of the Universe -Welcome to the Future (* Lene Lovich - Vocals) From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Dec 24 10:22:01 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:22:01 -0500 Subject: HAPPY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: just a short message to wish all list members a happy Christmas and a prosperous 2004. hope to meet up with some of you at various gigs next year, or as on Sunday, in the pub beforehand and finally here's hoping that we don't have to wait too long for the new studio album to appear and that it's worth the wait! all the best regards Dave www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk p.s don't forget if your bored or the kids are driving you nuts feel free to call by the museum over the festive period, we're always open! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 24 10:48:11 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:48:11 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: Iain Ferguson's message of Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:43:16 +0000 Message-ID: Iain Ferguson writes: > how were the Astoria Police as pleasant as ever ? When we went in, they were refusing entry to some guy because they thought "he looked too drunk". Certainly I can see that they probably don't get too many drunk people there when they're charging L3.30 for a measly can of Worthingtons. [Gambit here for Paul to lecture me on free markets...] Afterwards, when we were trying to get the tickets for the party afterwards from "someone from Voiceprint", they threw us out. Luckily a drunken alter-ego's silver-tongued brogue got us all in anyway. I really dunno how that guy does it. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 24 11:05:05 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:05:05 GMT Subject: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > As far as I'm concerned, they ROCKED. Yes, dull passages, but when they > rocked out, they rocked. Seriously rocked. > > And, much as I love Huw, was his set a case of "HEY! LOOK! HUW CAN STAND > UP AND BORE EVERYONE SH1TLESS"? > > Maybe that's just me. I wouldn't go quite that far but it did add to pacing problems with the gig. The first problem was that just as the band had got into high gear, they played two instrumentals (new ones) back to back and the whole crowd where I was (next to the sounddesk)lost the flow and started chatting amongst themselves. This happened again during Huw's set. It was great to see Huw's health had improved from Hawkfest, but I think it'd have been better to have the set before Hawkwind, or if not, for him to do a couple of solo songs and then lead the band into "Moonglum" to kick up the pace a bit again. The same happened during "Wings". It's too slow for a gig unless it's there to take down a blistering pace for a bit. This time it added to the pacing problems. It would have added interest to have Lene Lovich try the vocals since it was female vocals on it when the song first aired. I've never thought tjis song suited Alan's voice, but maybe that is just me. It was just a shame to see three breakpoints in the gig really ruin the pace. Maybe I've just got so used to Dave's instincts on this being damn near perfect that it took me by surprise. That said, when things got going, it really was a great gig. Where Are They Now? was absolutely excellent, and I've been writing to Santa to say that since this has been left off the album, it'd better be Hawkwind's bid for a Christmas single or I'm going to kill all the reindeer. Golden Void featured Void's End again and I really think that's the best piece of melodic synth since Wave Upon Wave. Angela's Android and Brainbox Pollution really rocked too. Hurry On Sundown was excellent, though I'd still like to see that tried as a fugue by the band. I saw this once by accident when Nik sang the wrong line and Thom Crimble covered up by turning it into a fugue. It sounds unlikely I know, but it really worked very well. Great to see everyone at the Angel (and pretty damn good to find a pub with a fire on a day like Sunday). Dunno what happened with the whole Voiceprint and Party tickets thing though... FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 24 11:21:31 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:21:31 +0100 Subject: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <200312241605.hBOG55kO005205@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike >Great to see everyone at the Angel (and pretty damn good to find a pub with a fire on a day like Sunday). Dunno >what happened with the whole Voiceprint and Party tickets thing though... The Voiceprint party was dissapointing With only 7 or 8 known Hawkwind-fans. No band member appeared. What a shame Same to Rob Ayling. Did not notice him at the pub But we had one highlight: MARTIN GRIFFIN was there. He told us some funny stories especialy about Hawkwind supporting Krokus in March 1982 on their German/Dutch tour He is a very friendly guy. We had a great chat Cheers Bernhard From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 24 12:36:41 2003 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:36:41 -0000 Subject: OT-Ancient Scottish Rite Message-ID: According to my father Christmas wasn't even a full public holiday until the 60's. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Stephe To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 15 December 2003 16:48 Subject: OT-Ancient Scottish Rite Scots Mark New Year With Fiery Ancient Rites Lara Suziedelis Bogle for National Geographic News December 31, 2002 Greeting the new year with friends and spirits is customary in many parts of the world. Residents of Scotland mark the arrival of the new year with particular passion in a holiday they call Hogmanay that draws on their history of Viking invasions, superstition, and ancient pagan rituals. Hogmanay's origins date back to pagan rituals that marked the time of the winter solstice. Roman celebrations of the hedonistic winter festival of Saturnalia and Viking celebrations of Yule (the origin of the twelve days of Christmas) contributed to celebrations in Scotland around the new year. These celebrations and other ceremonies evolved over the centuries to become the Hogmanay holiday celebrated in Scotland today. For many centuries in Scotland, Hogmanay was a far more important holiday than Christmas. Historians suggest this may have been a result of the Protestant Reformation after which Christmas, and its close ties to the Roman Catholic Church, was seen as "too Papist." Others point to the grueling work schedules of laborers during the Industrial Revolution which did not provide time off for the Christmas holiday. A costumed reveler watches the burning of a Viking long ship during the Up Helly Aa festival in Scotland's Shetland Islands. The festival is one of many customs practiced in Scotland to mark the new year. Only in the mid-20th century did Christmas emerge as the popular holiday it is in other Christian countries. But don't be fooled?New Year's still reigns supreme. In the last several years, two of Scotland's cities have hosted some of the largest street parties in the world. Hogmanay?Then and Now Today, Edinburgh and Glasgow are renowned for large outdoor street celebrations similar to New York City's New Year's Eve celebration in Times Square. Despite cold weather, the festivities draw large crowds and are marked by drinking and carousing into the wee hours of the morning. Thanks to marketing efforts, attendance has grown so overwhelming in recent years that tickets are now required to control crowds. Some of the country's more interesting Hogmanay traditions are found in private homes and in the Scottish Highlands and islands. A number extend well into the new year. A custom known as "first footing" dictates that the first person to cross a home's threshold after midnight on New Year's Eve will determine the homeowner's luck for the new year. The ideal visitor bears gifts?preferably whiskey, coal for the fire, small cakes, or a coin?and should be a man with a dark complexion. Why? The answer hearkens back to the 8th century, when the presumably fair-haired Vikings invaded Scotland: a blond visitor was not a good omen. Although less commonly practiced today, friends celebrate first footing by visiting each other's homes shortly after midnight. They share food and drink and exchange small gifts. It is also customary to sing Auld Lang Syne, the traditional song famously transcribed by Scottish poet Robert Burns. Another custom is to clean the house thoroughly and burn juniper to rid the house of evil spirits in the coming year. Many Hogmanay traditions involve fire, another throwback to pagan and Viking times. It is believed fire symbolized the sun's return after the winter solstice or was used to ward off evil spirits. Locals in the small town of Biggar in southern Scotland have built a bonfire every Hogmanay for hundreds of years, despite the complaints of some residents. In Stonehaven, a town on Scotland's east coast, the Ancient Fireballs Ceremony unfolds as sixty locals march through the town swinging large flaming spheres over their heads. Even more extreme is the ritual known as Up Helly Aa, which is carried out in towns in the Shetland Islands on the last Tuesday in January. A custom dating only back to the early 1800s, Up Helly Aa involves entire towns dressing up as Vikings and ceremonially burning a replica of a Viking ship?followed by raucous celebrating. No one can say for sure which traditions came from exactly where exactly when, only that thousands of years of history have blended to create the cultural centerpiece of the Scottish holiday season. Hogma-what? Even the origin of the word Hogmanay is a subject of debate. A few possibilities: It may derive from the Gaelic oge maiden meaning "new morning"; the Celtic hogunnus meaning "new year"; hoog min dag, a Flemish-Dutch phrase meaning "great love day"; or the Old French word aguillanneuf, which refers to both the last day of the year and the gift traditionally given on that day. The last possibility seems especially likely since one of the old Scottish traditions was for children to run from door to door on New Year's Eve asking for presents and shouting, Hogmanay! Whatever its origins, Hogmanay is an integral part of Scottish culture today. Apparently, one day to recover isn't enough: January 2nd is an official holiday in Scotland, too. From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Dec 24 15:29:36 2003 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:29:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: Re the point below :- I don't know how he did it either, but the keener eared ones amongst us (e.g. not me who was deaf from the music and hoarse from cheering) reported that when he went blagging his (and our) way into the 12 Bar he was heard making the following statements: "Let us in, we're the hardcore fans" "We've been to 427 Hawkwind gigs between us" "If you laid out our Hawkwind collections end to end, they would reach to the moon. And back. 3 times" "We've travelled a combined 3287 miles to be here tonight" "Cool, is that a theremin I hear playing below" "Trust me, I'm a FoFP" Amazing. Merry Christmas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" >Luckily a > drunken alter-ego's silver-tongued brogue got us all in anyway. I really > dunno how that guy does it. > > FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 24 17:56:32 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:56:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <200312241548.hBOFmBru000041@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 03:48:11PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => Certainly I can see that they probably don't get too many drunk people => there when they're charging L3.30 for a measly can of Worthingtons. => => [Gambit here for Paul to lecture me on free markets...] Surely if I really wanted to give you a lecture on free markets it would be reflected in my spending patterns? :-) (I'm glad to hear a good time was had by all at the Astoria gig.) Seasons Greetings to all, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 24 23:57:11 2003 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:27:11 +1030 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: Looks like I still hold the record for distance travelled just to see a Hawkwind show. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 6:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Gig .........> "We've travelled a combined 3287 miles to be here tonight"......... From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Dec 25 06:19:50 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 06:19:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Holiday Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 25, 2003): HAPPY HOLIDAYS! We've just uploaded this fine Christmas morning new radio shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #95), Alchemical Radio (show #52), and Drool Trough radio (show #2). Having a New Years party? Consider Aural Innovations radio shows as the music of choice to entertain your guests. The new Drool Trough show is something of a New Years special. But you better stock up on the alcohol. Because our songs will make your guests want to drink LOTS! I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of our listeners and readers for making 2003 yet another fun and enjoyable year. And as usual the number of visitors to our site continues to grow and grow and grow. I hope you'll all join us in 2004 as we begin our SEVENTH year of publication! You can go directly to the Radio shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #95): General Playlist Litmus - "Invader" (from second Litmus cassette) Alpha Omega - "Reefer Madness" (from Daze Of The Underground: A Tribute To Hawkwind) Paradox One - "Son Of Little Green Men" (from Escalators To Mars) Buzz Forward & Space Boy - "Cruisin'" (from All The Way From Outer Space) Fez Dispenser - "Like A Simile" (from This Is Trip-Bop) Spirits Burning - "High Rise" (from Daze Of The Underground: A Tribute To Hawkwind) Vocokesh - "Vibe #4" (from The Tenth Corner) Depressive Art - "A Summer Day To Me" (from Gothic Country Songs For The Sorry Ones) Mountain Mirrors - "Last Resort" (from Lunar Ecstasy) Sun Zoom Spark - "Blues For The Shifting Sands" (from Transmissions From Satellites Volume One) Liquid Visions - "Endless Plasmatic Childhood Overdose" (from Endless Plasmatic Childhood Overdose) Alchemical Radio (show #52) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions. Queensryche - "Blood" Laura Veirs - "Cannon Fodder" Gargantua Soul - "Drive" Superczar - "Reality Aroused" Patrick Porter - "Kolorado" Fran Gray - "Ancient Of Days" Cousin Silas - "Window Spinneretes" Carl Burnett - "Suffer" Arthur's Dream - "Wayfaring Stranger" Blue Cheer - "Gypsy Ball" Mercury Boy - "Keep It Real" The Forresters - "Skin Deep" Litmus - "Twinstar" Trybe - "The Julia Tree" Paradox One - "Yap! Yap! Yap!" Troy Lukarrila - "Compulsion" Drool Trough (show #1): General Playlist Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring all kinds of cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Charles Rice Goff III - "Soul Lang Syne" (from Happy New Year) Root Deco - "Maybe Someday" (from Dragon Rings A Bell) Somebody Famous - "Glory" (from A Chip Off The Old Block) Charles Rice Goff III - "New Lang Syne" (from Happy New Year) Funkmeister G - "I'm Going Nowhere But I'm Doing It In Style (New vox loungey mix)" (from Who Got Da Fonk?) Solution Science Systems - "Phonotonic Duality As Observed In Q-Field Transduction (from Daemon Ex Machina) Charles Rice Goff III - "Auld Lang Syne" (from Happy New Year) Hipbone - "Build A Bridge" (from Cho-Rok) Guignol - "Invisible Sports" (from Angela, David And The Great Neopolitan Road Issue) Charles Rice Goff III - "Auld Lunar Syne" (from Happy New Year) Aviary - "Yes And No" (from Ambition) Juggernaut - "White Castles" (from Better Than Everyone) Charles Rice Goff III - "Lite & Lightning Lang Syne" (from Happy New Year) Little Fyodor - "Happy People" (from Idiots Are Closer To God) Michael J. Bowman - "Apple Orchards" (from Bad Faith) Maximum Coherence - "The Vine" (from promo single) Charles Rice Goff III - "Odd Lang Syne" (from Happy New Year) Thebrotheregg - "Theta Clear" (from The 1090 Club) Mana ERG - "Rain Forever" (from Borderliners) Charles Rice Goff III - "Old Lounge Syne" (from Happy New Year) http://Aural-Innovations.com From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 25 06:59:46 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:59:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" < > Re the point below :- > > I don't know how he did it either, but the keener eared ones amongst us > (e.g. not me who was deaf from the music and hoarse from cheering) reported > that when he went blagging his (and our) way into the 12 Bar he was heard > making the following statements: > > "Let us in, we're the hardcore fans" > "We've been to 427 Hawkwind gigs between us" > "If you laid out our Hawkwind collections end to end, they would reach to > the moon. And back. 3 times" > "We've travelled a combined 3287 miles to be here tonight" > "Cool, is that a theremin I hear playing below" > "Trust me, I'm a FoFP" > > Amazing. Ah, that was the hold-up in getting in - he missed out "Big Name Fans, Coming Through....." Ian From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Fri Dec 26 13:20:44 2003 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:20:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Gig In-Reply-To: <20031224225631.GB48691@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Paul, Are you still ensconced in that educational institution by the New River? Thought you were getting a graduate degree or somesuch. Dave At 05:56 PM 12/24/03 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 03:48:11PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > >=> Certainly I can see that they probably don't get too many drunk people >=> there when they're charging L3.30 for a measly can of Worthingtons. >=> >=> [Gambit here for Paul to lecture me on free markets...] > >Surely if I really wanted to give you a lecture on free markets it >would be reflected in my spending patterns? > >:-) > >(I'm glad to hear a good time was had by all at the Astoria gig.) > >Seasons Greetings to all, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 26 13:57:04 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:57:04 +0000 Subject: HW: what a wonderful gig Message-ID: Happy greatings ! i'm still buzzin from the Astoria gig. Thanks for the setlist1 I've seen "Sunray" on setlists before but couldn't connect it with anything I remembered from memory. this song was the highlight of that gig,even though I don't know it! Oh JOY at hearing new stuff!! It blew us all away!!What a great "Brainbox Pollution" and I haven't seen Hawkwind from a vantage point since i can't remember!1991 Forum maybe?It was kicking upstairs! Great Show!!Miss them at your peril! alan. >From: Alan Taylor >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Gig >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:29:36 -0000 > >Re the point below :- > >I don't know how he did it either, but the keener eared ones amongst us >(e.g. not me who was deaf from the music and hoarse from cheering) reported >that when he went blagging his (and our) way into the 12 Bar he was heard >making the following statements: > >"Let us in, we're the hardcore fans" >"We've been to 427 Hawkwind gigs between us" >"If you laid out our Hawkwind collections end to end, they would reach to >the moon. And back. 3 times" >"We've travelled a combined 3287 miles to be here tonight" >"Cool, is that a theremin I hear playing below" >"Trust me, I'm a FoFP" > >Amazing. > >Merry Christmas. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "M Holmes" > > >Luckily a > > drunken alter-ego's silver-tongued brogue got us all in anyway. I really > > dunno how that guy does it. > > > > FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Fri Dec 26 17:10:23 2003 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:10:23 -0600 Subject: test Message-ID: test From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 26 17:38:04 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:38:04 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: sucks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip A Jaeger" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: test > test From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 26 19:30:48 2003 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:30:48 EST Subject: test Message-ID: In a message dated 12/26/2003 5:12:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM writes: test Earth calling . . .earth calling . . . this is earth calling . . . From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Dec 27 04:59:24 2003 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:24 +0100 Subject: test Message-ID: Earth heard @.! -- original message -- Subject: Re: test From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Date: 26th December 2003 7:30:48 In a message dated 12/26/2003 5:12:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM writes: test Earth calling . . .earth calling . . . this is earth calling . . . From murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Dec 27 06:15:20 2003 From: murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM (Murray Ewing) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:15:20 +0000 Subject: BOC: Record Collector In-Reply-To: <200312271000.hBRA02d7007602@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: I see that the Jan edition of Record Collector (UK mag) has a short article on BOC. Murray From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Sat Dec 27 08:37:06 2003 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (alfred) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:37:06 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND 1997 Message-ID: Hello ! Is there anyone on this list with a spare copy of the Hawkwind 1997 CD (HAWKVP999) which was available via the Fan Club and wants to sell it ? I'll pay a fair price for it. Please E-Mail me offlist ( alfred.koessl at netway.at ) All the best and a happy new year Alfred From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Dec 27 17:36:58 2003 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:36:58 +0100 Subject: HW: The 36 hours trip. A short gig review Message-ID: Hi Folks Well, I did it again. Made it from Germany to the UK with my mate Andreas to see our favorite band again: HAWKWIND. And we were not disappointed It all started at 11:00h on 21.12.2003 in the morning when I was driving to Andreas and then drive to a local airport to catch a cheap flight to Stansted. With my handy I was in contact with Ian, Rob and Alfred who were already in London. We arrived in our hotel at 16:30h where Ian Abrahams and his mate Keith were waiting. Thanks again Ian for organizing the hotel for us. 15 minutes later we 4 made it to the Angel pub where we met Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge, Alan Linsley, Alan Taylor, Rob Pullan (thanks for the tickets Rob !!), Nick Lee, Nicky Carroll, Dennis Regenbrecht plus his sister and Alfred Koessl (and all the folks I forgot to mention here). We had some interesting chats. Its always great to meet these very friendly folks. 2 hours later some of us went to a chinese restaurant and then to the Astoria Theatre. Inside the Astoria we bought (of course !!) the new Walthamstow 2002 live CD and had some chats with Keith Barton and Eddie Jobson. Then we made it into the theatre. Hawkwind started exactly at 09:00h. Now I will try to give my comments and feelings from my memory to every track that was played. The band started with: - Arrival In Utopia A straight song. No special surprises. A good starter - Angela Android A song from the forthcomming album. With Lene Lovich on vocals. Very interesting. Good guitar playing by Dave and Keith - Assault & Battery Nothing special about this song - Golden Void Same here. Very short played. Good guitar by Dave - Where Are You Now Again: Nothing special here. Short and good ! - Out There We Are Another new song. In fact the band played 2 instrumentals. The 1st one sounded like "Wave Upon Wave" and the 2nd one was a rhythmic instrumental. Not bad. I'd say the band played 2 songs but Colin said it was one. OK, why not For my taste both tracks were to long and they stole some drive from this gig. I'd have place them on 2 different positions - Right Stuff / Paranoia Fast and heavy played. Dave on vocals. He made his job much better than Alan who is a great bass player but not the best singer. The song faded into Paranoia. - Hurry On Sundown A very good and fast version. Except Brixton 2000 it was the best one I've heard - 5th Second Of Forever / Solitary Mind Games / Waiting For Tomorrow Then a (positive) break in the set. Huwie appeared on stage and played an acoustic set. Perfect guitar playing. Perfect singing. Huwie in top form !! - Wings Huwie left the stage and the band went on with Wings A good version. Much better than in 1990/1991. Good vocals by Alan - Ejection / Lenes Robot Great played. With very heavy guitars. Alan on vocals. The song faded into a song I call "Lenes Robot". Lene Lovich performed a Robot. It is not comparable to Calverts ROBOT but it has to do with robots and their behaviour. And the basic rhythm was "Robot-like" - Heads The highlight of the evening. At 1st I had problems to recognise this song but then it floated over me. Very different to the 1988-1992 one. Dave and Keith played FANTASTIC guitars. What a great song !!!! Started slow and ended heavy and fast!. WOW !!! - Sun Ray Another one from the forthcoming album. Again with Lene who were doing some "noises". I enjoyed that song. - Brainbox Pollution The 2nd highlight. Though to short it was a great performance. Very heavy - Hassan I Sahba / Space Is Their / Hassan I Sahba Well, what should I say about this song. Very simple: I do not like it..except the middle part (Space Is Their). Hawkwind played it very good tonight. With Dave and Keith doing good guitar work This was the end of the main set The encore started with: - Spirit of The Age The 3rd highlight of the evening. My favourite Hawkwind-song!! One of the best performances of that song I've ever heard. Again both guitarists played like there was no tomorrow. That's it !!! - Master Of The Universe A very unusual performance of that song. It started with Richard singing and after about 2 minutes it went into the song we all know. Not bad ! - Welcome Nothing special about this one. The gig ended with tis song. 115 minutes were gone I couldn't believe it. About 2 hours have gone!!! Well, overall I must say that it was a good gig. Not the best one but one of the better ones. Unfortunately it could have been better if the band had changed the positions of the slower tracks After the show some folks were invited to a Voiceprint party in the 12 Bars club. Unfortunately the band did not appear and Rob Ayling (from Voiceprint) did not appear as well. Some fans made it (about 8 or 10). And we had the luck to talk to Martin Griffin. He told us some funny stories about Hawkwind doing support for Krokus on their German tour in 1982 (my very 1st Hawkwind gig) and about Robert Calvert in 1978. Martin is a very friendly person. Then we left the pub to go to our hotel. Next morning we had breakfast with Ian and Keith and talked mainly about his Hawkwind book which will be released in 2004 Then we assaulted to record and book stores of London. For my wife I had to buy some English Tea at Harrods. I did it. After spending some money we flew home. I was at home at 23:00h in the evening. Exactely 36 hours after starting this amazing trip. Met great folks, saw a great gig. I was tired but I would to it again and again Bernhard p.s. Thanks again to Ian Abrahams and Rob Pullan From des at SUPERLINK.NET Mon Dec 29 00:14:01 2003 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:14:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: SWU info site Message-ID: Found this surfing the net. Pretty cool UK site for BOC/SWU info, etc. http://www.macdigital-uk.com/boc/blueskybag/lesbraunstein/ From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Dec 29 08:23:05 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:23:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria (FAO Mike Holmes) Message-ID: Hi Mike, Good to see you on the way out of the Astoria - don't suppose you remembered who it was who was looking for me did you? :-) Cheers, Rich. (Sorry to post this to the list - lost your email address!) From info at MACDIGITAL-UK.COM Tue Dec 30 15:22:38 2003 From: info at MACDIGITAL-UK.COM (ralph@macdigital-uk.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:22:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: 1985 CA Tour w/ Albert Bouchard Message-ID: After Rick Downey departed, BOC were re-united with Albert Bouchard for a short already-booked California tour back in Feb 1985. This is where everything should have gone back to normal, and BOC should have gone from strength-to-strength with it's reformed Bouchard-core. We all know that hatchets didn't get buried and wounds apparently hadn't healed up, so it didn't happen... but I'd like to try and discover more about this tour for the Hot Rails site. If anybody went and was gobsmacked to see Albert back behind the drums, please get in touch. Here are the gigs I KNOW about: 05 Feb 1985: El Rancho Tropicana, Santa Rosa 07 Feb 1985: Waters Club, San Pedro 08 Feb 1985: JR College, Modesto 09 Feb 1985: La Casa de la Raza, Santa Barbara (2 Shows) 11 Feb 1985: Sherwood Hall, Salinas Plus I think these two were also played, but I have no dates as of yet: Civic Auditorium, Fresno Civic Auditorium, Reading If you know of any other gigs, or any show details/band line-ups, setlists etc, please let me know... By the way - Merry Cultmas!! Ralph ralph at macdigital-uk.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 30 17:31:53 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:31:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Spacehead + Litmus + Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: Spacehead and Litmus will be playing on Friday January 9th 2004 at: The Standard Music Venue, 1 Blackhorse Lane, London. E17 6DS Nearest tube: Blackhorse Road (Victoria Line) Price: ?6.00 Special guest: Huw Lloyd-Langton Probably the best space-rock gig in January 2004. From youless at COX.NET Wed Dec 31 11:28:03 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:28:03 -0500 Subject: HW: new web finds Message-ID: Recent www finds which may be of interest: The Evil Sherriff: polaroids from backstage Dec 1985 on the COTBS tour - http://timpollard.tripod.com/tim_photos_hawkwind_index.htm Mark Flowers Photography: photos of Hawkwind live at the Jul 2003 Rock'n'Blues festival - http://www.markflowersphotography.com/music/hawkwind/hawkwind.html Rockbeast: interview (plus photos) with Dave Brock and Pete Pracownik in Oct 2003 - http://www.rockbeast.co.uk/Interviews/hawkwind/index.htm Starfarer (plug, plug): review of Spaced Out in London CD (thanks to Rob Dreamworker) - http://www.starfarer.net/spacedout.html Happy New Year to all list members! Steve