From piekke at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 1 05:29:15 2003 From: piekke at HOTMAIL.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC/Hawkwind Dutchwind) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:29:15 -0400 Subject: Hawkfest Message-ID: Hello there! Finnally I'm joining the Hawklist which i have been enjoying for more than a year. Hope to see you all at the Hawkfest!!! Last year was a fantastic happening. Hope it will even better than that. Sadly Hawkwind won't play a warming-up gig before the fest. Why doesn't Bedouin play?! And I hope I'm one of the first 500 Who will get the CD. How many tickets have been sold yet? Cheers, Pierre, Frank and Frank! From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 1 06:05:44 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:05:44 EDT Subject: Hawkfest Sunday Message-ID: In a message dated 31/07/03 16:57:54 GMT Daylight Time, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: > Any other questions?...... ;-) Yes. What's the full line up for the fest? Steve. From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Aug 1 06:09:18 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:09:18 +0100 Subject: Subject: Hawkfest Sunday Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:56:56 +0100 > From: Hawkwind > Subject: Hawkfest Sunday Are there any succinct directions/map of the site? Made really good progress from Pompe to Devon last year.... then got extremely lost and confused. I printed off the map from the HW website only to find that the 'farm' was not mentioned on the road nor map. After several diversions (in an already overheated D- reg Peugot!!) into quaint villages/petrol stations & subsequently all of the left & right turns in the area.. not to mention overshooting the site (as from the road everything was obscured).... I spotted a car full of likely suspects and flagged them down .. only to find they too had not found the site, despite also being the approximate vicinity for an hour themselves. > Any other questions?...... ;-) Is this one going to be easier to find or do you credit Hawkwind fans with some sort of divine astral navigation system? I don't think the car can face another Festival hunt..... especially after the long drive north. regards (HELP?) Maxine Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 1 08:47:03 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:47:03 +0100 Subject: Subject: Hawkfest Sunday In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:09:18 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Is this one going to be easier to find or do you credit Hawkwind fans > with some sort of divine astral navigation system? GPOS? FoFP From stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 1 14:36:15 2003 From: stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM (Ian) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:36:15 -0400 Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: There have been several posts aboout transport to the festival site and people seem to be getting a little confused! I live in Lancashire, so I know the area. The festival is in a fairly rural location but it is only a few miles from Preston and Blackpool and very near the A6 which is quite a major road, so it isn't exactle in the middle of nowhere. For folks coming by car it's dead easy. Exit the M6 motorway at junction 32, the M55. Take the A6 slip road off the M55 almost immediately after joining and head north following signs for Garstang. Follow the A6 for about 5 miles. Turn left off the A6 taking the A586 towards Fleetwood/Blackpool, this is clearly signposted. The festival site is about a mile or so along the A586, on the left, just after Churchtown. Use the link below for a map. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=348500&Y=442500&A=Y&Z=3 For public transport its a bit more tricky but not too bad. There are regular buses that go fairly close to the site. You have a choice, bus no. 40 or 41 from Preston goes to Morecambe and stops just off the A6 at Catterall which is about a couple of mile from the site, or if you want a shorter walk bus no. 42 from Blackpool, which again is heading for Morecambe stops at Churchtown, I think this is approx. half a mile from the site (see map link above). Here's a bus timetable: Service No 42 40 41 42 40 41 42 40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn..... .... .... 0858 .... .... 1008 .... POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... .... .... 0908 .... .... 1018 .... GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull .... .... .... 0918 .... .... 1028 .... ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel .... .... .... 0923 .... .... 1033 .... CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn .... .... .... 0927 .... .... 1037 .... PRESTON, Bus Station .... 0835 0855 .... 0935 0955 .... P35 BROUGHTON, Post Office .... 0850 0910 .... 0950 1010 .... P50 BILSBORROW, Roebuck .... 0857 0917 .... 0957 1017 .... P57 CATTERALL Brockholes Arms .... 0900 0920 .... 1000 1020 .... P00 GARSTANG Park Hill Rd .... 0908 0928 0938 1008 1028 1048 P08 CABUS, Hamilton Arms .... 0915 0935 0945 1015 1035 1055 P15 GALGATE Crossroads .... 0922 0942 0952 1022 1042 1102 P22 LANCASTER University Underpass .... .... .... 0957 .... .... .... .... LANCASTER, University Gates .... 0925 0945 0959 1025 1045 1105 P25 LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 0925 0945 1005 1019 1045 1105 1125 P45 MORECAMBE, Euston Road 0939 0959 1019 1033 1059 1119 1139 P59 MORECAMBE Bus Station 0941 1001 1021 1035 1101 1121 1141 P01 MORECAMBE, Battery 0946 1006 1026 1040 1106 1126 1146 P06 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Service No 41 42 42 40 40 40 40 41 Notes Sch H Sch Sch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn..... P08 1408 .... .... .... .... .... POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... P18 1418 .... .... .... .... .... GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull .... P28 1428 .... .... .... .... .... ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel .... P33 1433 .... .... .... .... .... CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn .... P37 1437 .... .... .... .... .... PRESTON, Bus Station P55 .... .... 1435 1435 .... .... 1455 BROUGHTON, Post Office P10 .... .... 1450 1450 .... .... 1510 BILSBORROW, Roebuck P17 .... .... 1457 1457 .... .... 1517 CATTERALL Brockholes Arms P20 .... .... 1500 1500 .... .... 1520 Garstang High School .... .... .... .... .... 1510 1510 .... GARSTANG Park Hill Rd P28 P48 1448 1508 1508 1518 1518 1528 CABUS, Hamilton Arms P35 P55 1455 .... 1515 1525 1525 1535 GALGATE Crossroads P42 P02 .... .... 1522 .... 1532 1542 LANCASTER, University Gates P45 P05 1502 .... 1525 .... 1535 1545 LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 P05 P25 1525 .... 1545 .... 1555 1605 MORECAMBE, Euston Road P19 P39 1539 .... 1559 .... 1609 1619 MORECAMBE Bus Station P21 P41 1541 .... 1601 .... 1611 1621 MORECAMBE, Battery P26 P46 1546 .... 1606 .... 1616 1626 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Service No 42 40 41 40 42 40 41 42 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn.1515 .... .... .... 1638 .... .... 1725 POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 1735 POULTON, Teanlowe Centre 1525 .... .... .... 1648 .... .... .... GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull 1535 .... .... .... 1658 .... .... 1745 ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel 1540 .... .... .... 1703 .... .... 1750 CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn 1544 .... .... .... 1707 .... .... 1754 PRESTON, Bus Station .... 1535 1555 1635 .... 1655 1715 .... BROUGHTON, Post Office .... 1550 1610 1655 .... 1715 1735 .... BILSBORROW, Roebuck .... 1557 1617 1702 .... 1722 1742 .... CATTERALL Brockholes Arms .... 1600 1620 1705 .... 1725 1745 .... GARSTANG Park Hill Rd 1555 1608 1628 1713 1718 1733 1753 1805 CABUS, Hamilton Arms 1602 1615 1635 1720 1725 1740 1800 1812 GALGATE Crossroads 1609 1622 1642 1727 1732 1747 1807 1819 LANCASTER, University Gates 1612 1625 1645 1730 1735 1750 1810 1822 LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 1632 1645 1705 1750 1755 1810 1830 1842 MORECAMBE, Euston Road 1646 1659 1719 1804 1809 1824 1844 1854 MORECAMBE Bus Station 1648 1701 1721 1806 1811 1826 1846 1856 MORECAMBE, Battery 1653 1706 1726 1811 1816 1831 1849 1859 The P next to a number eg. P55 means 55 minutes past every hour. Now getting to Preston/Blackpool. There are lots trains to Prston from just about anywhere. Preston is a major station on the West coast mainline from London to Glasgow, which is why no trains northbound from Preston stop before Lancaster, they're all "inter city" services that only stop at major towns. There have been a lot of comments on the state of the British railways, and generally speaking they are pretty bad. They suffered from years of under- investment from the previous Tory Government and then got even worse with the ludicrous decision to privatise the state owned British Rail a few years ago, but this is no place for political debate! On the positive side the Virgin train service from London Euston to Preston is about as good as it gets, with usually fairly modern trains and I've always found their staff to be very helpful (you can't miss em, they wear bright red jackets).There are lots of direct services to Preston from Euston and it should take 2 1/2 to 3 hours. (Keith why are you going via Manchester? If you do miss your Preston connection there don't panic as again there are lots of trains from Manchester Picadilly station to Preston, about every 30 minutes, this journey should take 45 mins to an hour) Try www.thetrainline.co.uk for timetables and if you can book ahead of travelling you can usually get tickets cheaper on-line. Now for folks wanting to get the bus from Blackpool (shorter walk!) there are lots and lots of trains between Preston and Blackpool at least every 30 mins. Be careful though and make sure you get on a train to Blackpool NORTH station, you will not be happy if you end up at Blackpool South, it is a completely different station and getting to the festival from there wont be easy! In Preston the bus station is a 10/15 minute walk from the railway station, turn right out of the station and walk through the town centre, the bus station is behind the Guild Hall (scene of many a Hawks gig!) and is clearly signposted. To get to the bus in Blackpool is even easier as it's literally across the road (Talbot Road) from the railway station. Some people mentioned getting a taxi from Preston to the site and that is probably not a bad idea. I reckon the cost of such a trip will be about ?25 - ?30, but a lot of the local taxi firms run large mini-bus type cabs that seat 6 or 7. Here are a couple of local cab firms : AAA taxis 01772 555666 / 555333 / 555444 Ribleton Taxis 01772 654545 But there are lots more. For meating up for a taxi I would suggest the Railway pub just outside the station, which ain't the best pub in the world but being an Irish bar does a decent pint of Guinness. Hope some of you find all this helpful. If any of you are still confused mail me at ian at stirzi.fsnet.co.uk Hope you all have a great time at the festival and in the Red Rose county of Lancashire, the locals are generally friendly up here in the North and keep fingers and everything else crossed for some good weather! See you all there. Ian From stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 1 14:58:09 2003 From: stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM (Ian) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:58:09 -0400 Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: Looks like the bus timetable didn't come out too clearly in the post. Mail me if you want a copy in a word doc. Ian. From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Aug 1 18:48:47 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:48:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Rock and Blues Pix Message-ID: ++ ++ + +STAR WARRIORS + ++ Rock & Blues Pix are now on Mission Control http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/rb2003/info.htm GET YOUR HAWKFEST TICKETS NOW !!!! IT'LL BE TOO LATE IN A FEW DAYS !!!! ++ + + MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 2 03:52:06 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:52:06 EDT Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 01/08/03 19:37:19 GMT Daylight Time, stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > For meating up for a taxi I would suggest the Railway pub just outside the > station, which ain't the best pub in the world but being an Irish bar does > a decent pint of Guinness. Better still... The Vic & Station just across the road. They have real ale....... and Jaegermeister! Steve. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 2 07:04:07 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:04:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock & Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 2, 2003): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #84) and Alchemical Radio (show #43). See the playlists below. I'm hard at work reorganizing the alpha index and links page and setting up the What's New and News pages in preparation for the new millennium Aural Innovations. LOTS of news this week so be sure and check it out after the playlists. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #84) Primordial Undermind - "F.L.I. (Flaming Lizard Inauguration)" (from The Shells Of Revolution) Nekropolis 23 - "Devachan" (from Vol. 1) Jet Jaguar - "Beam Me To Mars" (from Future Tense) Drunken Gunmen - "We Are Visitors To Your Galaxy" (from Deep Space, Distant Future) Simply Saucer - "Nazi Apocalypse" (from Cyborgs Revisited) Kangaroo Moon - "Love Is" (from Klangbad: First Steps) Jelly Planet - "Swamp" (from Food) Dave Dill - "Cassiopeoa" (from Plastic Earth) Kathy King & Mark Kissinger - "Donzia" (from One Night In Ann Arbor) Uncletoe's Portasound - "Sea" (from Sentimental) Alien Planetscapes - "Close The Stargate Before The Dog Gets Through" (excerpt) (from The Official Bootleg Volume Three) Alchemical Radio (show #43) Alchemical Radio is hosted by Terri~B and the Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label. The show features the best Progressive Rock, Psychedelia, Metal and Adventurous Pop music that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://www.aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. Also check out our mail order catalog for lots of Space Rock, Psychedelic and Electronic music CDs at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Space Rock B-B-Q 2003, August 16th, Philadelphia, PA www.scatteredplanets.com The lineup includes: Scattered Planets, Church of Hed, Sloterdijk, Guild Navigators, John Price Jr, Radio Eris, and Audiophyle Cost: free, plus tons of food & suds Location: (northeast suburb of Philly) this is a private party so get in contact with Doug McMahan (Doug at scatteredplanets.com) or Bob Lennon (hawkwinder at aol.com) for exact location/directions, etc. address will not be published on line. Modern Dance #45 is online now! www.modern-dance.co.uk In addition to the usual varied assortment of reviews, there is also an excellent article about internet radio with opinions from a variety of sources, include ye merry space rock editor, and a new column on German rock music by Frank Gingeleit, who has also contributed several great articles to AI. Modern Dance is a great resource so check it out. Mandra Gora Lightshow Society live dates www.mandra-gora.de 12. 09. Dortmund - FZW + Royal Beat Conspiracy 13. 09. Open Air Am R?mersee 26. 09. Hannover - Gig Neue Welt Silber Records & The Nightlight present: People Who Should Not Play Acoustic Guitar: A night of extraordinary musicians out of their element www.silbermedia.com Thursday August 7 at the Nightlight (405 1/2 w rosemary st, chapel hill) doors open at 9pm, show starts at 10pm The acoustic guitar is normally thought of as a safe instrument, as something to back up a folk singer. But in reality it is a set of metal wires pulled to tension trying to break a wooden body. With this in mind we bring you "People Who Should Not Play Acoustic Guitar", a line up of experimental & hard playing musicians taking up the instrument as it was before Les Paul was born & running it through the gamut. Featured artists: Brett Hart (percussive guitar player & instrument improviser), Brian John Mitchell (aggressive ambient guitarist of Remora), David Bjorkback (percussionist of Razzle & the entirety of The Torch Marauder), Scotty Irving (percussionist of Clang Quartet & Benjomatic), Peter Aldrich (jazz & soundscape guitarist) Emperor Jones presents: From Austin to you - Primordial Undermind, ST37, and Bahrain on tour this summer Primordial + ST37: Sat. 8/2, Providence,RI, AS220: w/Barnacled Sun. 8/3, Boston,MA, Chopping Block: w/the In/Out, 9Volt Gimmick Tue. 8/5, Portland,ME, Geno's: w/the Ponys Wed. 8/6, Brattleboro,VT, Common Ground: w/Elevator Tribe Thu. 8/7, Rochester,NY, Bug Jar: w/Pengo Fri. 8/8, Cleveland,OH, Beachland: w/Fuzzhead, Tachyon Lane Primordial + Bahrain: Sat. 8/9, Detroit,MI, Lager House: w/Paik, Larval Mon. 8/11, Chicago,IL, Empty Bottle: w/Plastic Crimewave Sound Tues. 8/12, St. Louis,MO, LNAC: w/Julia Sets, Tone Rodent Weds. 8/13, Lawrence,KS, Jazzhaus Thu. 8/14, Fort Worth,TX, Wreck Room: w/Jetscreamer Primordial + ST37 + Bahrain: Sat. 8/16, Austin,TX, Beerland FUTILITY FEST: An Exercise in futility at NYABINGHI IN YOUNGSTOWN, OH Friday, Oct. 10 - Sunday, Oct. 12: Columbus Day Weekend Nyabinghi is located in Youngstown, OH at 1229 Salt Springs Road, approximately one hour outside of Cleveland and an hour from Pittsburgh, PA. www.futilityfest.com The festival will feature performances by 29 bands, including headliners like Oxbow, Helios Creed, Skeleton Key, Stinking Lizaveta and many more. The event is an indoor festival, though the parking lots yield plenty of interacting between bands and fans throughout the three days. In addition to band performances, several booths will feature related merchandise and food for sale. Friday, October 10th: 6PM - 2AM Creta Bourzia, Grand Ulena, herc., Trephine, Mezzanine, c14, Pankration, Suzukiton Saturday, October 11: 2PM - 2AM The Abandonded Hearts Club, Axehandle, Bakerton Group, Dysrhytmia, Electric turn to me, Jumbo's Killcrane, Helios Creed, Oxbow, Pelican, Sicbay, Totimoshi Sunday, October 12th: 2PM - 2AM Cheer Accident, Fuzzhead, Keelhaul, Lubricated Goat, Meatjack, Party Dream, Party of Helicopters, Point Line Plane, Skeleton Key, Stinking Lizaveta, Teeth of the Hydra From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Sat Aug 2 08:31:02 2003 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:31:02 +0100 Subject: HW:Dalai Lama not welcome at Hawkfest Message-ID: From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3117663.stm 'The Dalai Lama, Tibet's spiritual leader and winner of a Nobel Peace Prize, owns an air rifle. "I feed birds, peaceful birds. I'm non-violent, but if a hawk comes when I'm feeding birds I lose my temper and get my air rifle," he has reportedly said. "Only to scare the hawks." ' Let's hope he doesn't show up at the Hawkfest then... Neil From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Sat Aug 2 19:47:40 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:47:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead Tonight Message-ID: Show: Headbangers Ball Episode: (#013) Motorhead, Iron Maiden & Dio Network: (MTV2) MTV2 Date: Saturday - August 02, 2003 Time: 10:00 pm - 12:00 am ET Featured Artists Dio, Iron Maiden, Motorhead About: (#013) Motorhead, Iron Maiden & Dio With special guests Motorhead, Iron Maiden & Dio From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Aug 3 05:52:35 2003 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:52:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Rough line up for hawkfest Message-ID: Hello folks, Here is the schedule so far! But remember this is VERY ROUGH and timings and line ups may change as there are a few other bands and performances to fit in. Please use it as a rough guideline only :-) FRIDAY TENT STAGE 12 midnight curfew 10.30 - 12.00 - Arthur Brown with Instant Flight 9.00 - 10.00 - Big Amongst Sheep 7.30 - 8.30 - Tarantism 6.00 - 7.00 - Mr Quimby's Beard 4.30 - 5.30 - Litmus 3.00 - 4.00 - Only One Mammal SATURDAY TENT STAGE 12midnight curfew Hawkwind evening with :- Hawkwind Harvey Bainbridge Spacehead Relentless (with Martin Griffin) Moonloonies (featuring Crum) With guests Huw Lloyd Langton and Keith Kniveton SUNDAY TENT STAGE 10.00 - 11.30 - Drunk in Public (acoustic Levellers) 8.30 - 9.30 - Bruise 7.00 - 8.00 - Horace X 5.30 - 6.30 - Audio Einstein 4.00 - 5.00 - Skyclad FRIDAY BARN STAGE 12.00 - 1.00 - Little Big Men (With Richard Chadwick) Proteus (plus others) SATURDAY BARN STAGE 12.00 - 1.00 - Tribe of Cro PXR1 Nick and Ness Instant Flight Sophia (plus others) SUNDAY BARN STAGE 12.00 - 1.00 Tarantism Assassins of Silence Alien Dream Stereo Vaccine. (plus others) Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 3 18:18:12 2003 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (coulthard1.freeserve.co.uk) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:18:12 +0100 Subject: I've got a Silver Capri Message-ID: Good Evening I was watching I Love 1974 on Sky last night when they were going through a article on the Ford Capri the coolest car of its day when they cut to some archive footage of a send up band singing I've got a Silver Capri to the tune of silver machine the band were dressed in a pace hippy style and covered in face paint. Does anyone know where this footage is from? Brian From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Aug 3 18:20:05 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:20:05 -0400 Subject: HW: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry Message-ID: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry: http://www.daventryexpress.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx? SectionID=696&ArticleID=568425 They must be on their way to the Hawkfest? ;) Karen (in digest mode) From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 3 19:17:27 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:17:27 EDT Subject: Pubs in Preston... Message-ID: If anyone who stops off at Preston fancies a bit of a bevvie, not that I'm trying to encourage alcoholism, you understand, not less than 5 minutes from the train station are 2 of the best pubs in the town. I speak of none other than the Dog & Partridge and the New Britannia Inn. You can get a plate full of more than you can eat in the Dog for ?2.20... and more than you can drink in the Brit. No problem leaving either, as they both close early afternoon. Steve. 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( recently ?) ; ) > from: Karen Kusic > date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:20:05 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: HW: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry > > UFOs are seen flying over Daventry: > > http://www.daventryexpress.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx? > SectionID=696&ArticleID=568425 > > They must be on their way to the Hawkfest? > > ;) > > Karen > (in digest mode) From motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 4 04:47:01 2003 From: motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM (motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:47:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Rough line up for hawkfest Message-ID: There was a 'sort of thrashy-metal band' around in the late 80s called Skyclad , is this them ? Sam.... > from: Hawkwind > date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:52:35 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: HW: Rough line up for hawkfest > > Hello folks, > > Here is the schedule so far! But remember this is VERY ROUGH and timings and line ups may change as there are a few other bands and performances to fit in. Please use it as a rough guideline only :-) > > > FRIDAY TENT STAGE 12 midnight curfew > > 10.30 - 12.00 - Arthur Brown with Instant Flight > > 9.00 - 10.00 - Big Amongst Sheep > > 7.30 - 8.30 - Tarantism > > 6.00 - 7.00 - Mr Quimby's Beard > > 4.30 - 5.30 - Litmus > > 3.00 - 4.00 - Only One Mammal > > > SATURDAY TENT STAGE 12midnight curfew > > Hawkwind evening with :- > > Hawkwind > > Harvey Bainbridge > > Spacehead > > Relentless (with Martin Griffin) > > Moonloonies (featuring Crum) > > With guests Huw Lloyd Langton and Keith Kniveton > > > > SUNDAY TENT STAGE > > 10.00 - 11.30 - Drunk in Public (acoustic Levellers) > > 8.30 - 9.30 - Bruise > > 7.00 - 8.00 - Horace X > > 5.30 - 6.30 - Audio Einstein > > 4.00 - 5.00 - Skyclad > > > > FRIDAY BARN STAGE > > 12.00 - 1.00 - Little Big Men (With Richard Chadwick) > > Proteus > > (plus others) > > > > SATURDAY BARN STAGE > > 12.00 - 1.00 - Tribe of Cro > > PXR1 > Nick and Ness > Instant Flight > Sophia > > (plus others) > > > SUNDAY BARN STAGE > > 12.00 - 1.00 Tarantism > > Assassins of Silence > Alien Dream > Stereo Vaccine. > > (plus others) > > > > > > > Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. From motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 4 04:55:53 2003 From: motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM (motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:55:53 +0100 Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: Hi, 30 odd quid is a lot for a taxi ! Just wondering is there a nearer raiway station. Poulton perhaps ? Sam.... > from: Ian > date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:36:15 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: HW Hawkfest Transport > > There have been several posts aboout transport to the festival site and > people seem to be getting a little confused! > I live in Lancashire, so I know the area. > > The festival is in a fairly rural location but it is only a few miles from > Preston and Blackpool and very near the A6 which is quite a major road, so > it isn't exactle in the middle of nowhere. > > For folks coming by car it's dead easy. > Exit the M6 motorway at junction 32, the M55. > Take the A6 slip road off the M55 almost immediately after joining and head > north following signs for Garstang. > Follow the A6 for about 5 miles. > Turn left off the A6 taking the A586 towards Fleetwood/Blackpool, this is > clearly signposted. > The festival site is about a mile or so along the A586, on the left, just > after Churchtown. > Use the link below for a map. > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=348500&Y=442500&A=Y&Z=3 > > For public transport its a bit more tricky but not too bad. > > There are regular buses that go fairly close to the site. > You have a choice, bus no. 40 or 41 from Preston goes to Morecambe and > stops just off the A6 at Catterall which is about a couple of mile from the > site, or if you want a shorter walk bus no. 42 from Blackpool, which again > is heading for Morecambe stops at Churchtown, I think this is approx. half > a mile from the site (see map link above). > > Here's a bus timetable: > > Service No 42 40 41 42 40 41 42 40 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn..... .... .... 0858 .... .... 1008 .... > POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... .... .... 0908 .... .... 1018 .... > GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull .... .... .... 0918 .... .... 1028 .... > ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel .... .... .... 0923 .... .... 1033 .... > CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn .... .... .... 0927 .... .... 1037 .... > PRESTON, Bus Station .... 0835 0855 .... 0935 0955 .... P35 > BROUGHTON, Post Office .... 0850 0910 .... 0950 1010 .... P50 > BILSBORROW, Roebuck .... 0857 0917 .... 0957 1017 .... P57 > CATTERALL Brockholes Arms .... 0900 0920 .... 1000 1020 .... P00 > GARSTANG Park Hill Rd .... 0908 0928 0938 1008 1028 1048 P08 > CABUS, Hamilton Arms .... 0915 0935 0945 1015 1035 1055 P15 > GALGATE Crossroads .... 0922 0942 0952 1022 1042 1102 P22 > LANCASTER University Underpass .... .... .... 0957 .... .... .... .... > LANCASTER, University Gates .... 0925 0945 0959 1025 1045 1105 P25 > LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 0925 0945 1005 1019 1045 1105 1125 P45 > MORECAMBE, Euston Road 0939 0959 1019 1033 1059 1119 1139 P59 > MORECAMBE Bus Station 0941 1001 1021 1035 1101 1121 1141 P01 > MORECAMBE, Battery 0946 1006 1026 1040 1106 1126 1146 P06 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Service No 41 42 42 40 40 40 40 41 > Notes Sch H Sch Sch > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn..... P08 1408 .... .... .... .... .... > POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... P18 1418 .... .... .... .... .... > GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull .... P28 1428 .... .... .... .... .... > ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel .... P33 1433 .... .... .... .... .... > CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn .... P37 1437 .... .... .... .... .... > PRESTON, Bus Station P55 .... .... 1435 1435 .... .... 1455 > BROUGHTON, Post Office P10 .... .... 1450 1450 .... .... 1510 > BILSBORROW, Roebuck P17 .... .... 1457 1457 .... .... 1517 > CATTERALL Brockholes Arms P20 .... .... 1500 1500 .... .... 1520 > Garstang High School .... .... .... .... .... 1510 1510 .... > GARSTANG Park Hill Rd P28 P48 1448 1508 1508 1518 1518 1528 > CABUS, Hamilton Arms P35 P55 1455 .... 1515 1525 1525 1535 > GALGATE Crossroads P42 P02 .... .... 1522 .... 1532 1542 > LANCASTER, University Gates P45 P05 1502 .... 1525 .... 1535 1545 > LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 P05 P25 1525 .... 1545 .... 1555 1605 > MORECAMBE, Euston Road P19 P39 1539 .... 1559 .... 1609 1619 > MORECAMBE Bus Station P21 P41 1541 .... 1601 .... 1611 1621 > MORECAMBE, Battery P26 P46 1546 .... 1606 .... 1616 1626 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Service No 42 40 41 40 42 40 41 42 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > BLACKPOOL, Talbot Road Bus Stn.1515 .... .... .... 1638 .... .... 1725 > POULTON,Hardhorn Crossroads .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 1735 > POULTON, Teanlowe Centre 1525 .... .... .... 1648 .... .... .... > GT. ECCLESTON, White Bull 1535 .... .... .... 1658 .... .... 1745 > ST. MICHAELS, Grapes Hotel 1540 .... .... .... 1703 .... .... 1750 > CHURCHTOWN, Horns Inn 1544 .... .... .... 1707 .... .... 1754 > PRESTON, Bus Station .... 1535 1555 1635 .... 1655 1715 .... > BROUGHTON, Post Office .... 1550 1610 1655 .... 1715 1735 .... > BILSBORROW, Roebuck .... 1557 1617 1702 .... 1722 1742 .... > CATTERALL Brockholes Arms .... 1600 1620 1705 .... 1725 1745 .... > GARSTANG Park Hill Rd 1555 1608 1628 1713 1718 1733 1753 1805 > CABUS, Hamilton Arms 1602 1615 1635 1720 1725 1740 1800 1812 > GALGATE Crossroads 1609 1622 1642 1727 1732 1747 1807 1819 > LANCASTER, University Gates 1612 1625 1645 1730 1735 1750 1810 1822 > LANCASTER Bus Station Stand 17 1632 1645 1705 1750 1755 1810 1830 1842 > MORECAMBE, Euston Road 1646 1659 1719 1804 1809 1824 1844 1854 > MORECAMBE Bus Station 1648 1701 1721 1806 1811 1826 1846 1856 > MORECAMBE, Battery 1653 1706 1726 1811 1816 1831 1849 1859 > > The P next to a number eg. P55 means 55 minutes past every hour. > > Now getting to Preston/Blackpool. There are lots trains to Prston from just > about anywhere. > Preston is a major station on the West coast mainline from London to > Glasgow, which is why no trains northbound from Preston stop before > Lancaster, they're all "inter city" services that only stop at major towns. > > There have been a lot of comments on the state of the British railways, and > generally speaking they are pretty bad. They suffered from years of under- > investment from the previous Tory Government and then got even worse with > the ludicrous decision to privatise the state owned British Rail a few > years ago, but this is no place for political debate! > > On the positive side the Virgin train service from London Euston to Preston > is about as good as it gets, with usually fairly modern trains and I've > always found their staff to be very helpful (you can't miss em, they wear > bright red jackets).There are lots of direct services to Preston from > Euston and it should take 2 1/2 to 3 hours. > (Keith why are you going via Manchester? If you do miss your Preston > connection there don't panic as again there are lots of trains from > Manchester Picadilly station to Preston, about every 30 minutes, this > journey should take 45 mins to an hour) > > Try www.thetrainline.co.uk for timetables and if you can book ahead of > travelling you can usually get tickets cheaper on-line. > > Now for folks wanting to get the bus from Blackpool (shorter walk!) there > are lots and lots of trains between Preston and Blackpool at least every 30 > mins. Be careful though and make sure you get on a train to Blackpool NORTH > station, you will not be happy if you end up at Blackpool South, it is a > completely different station and getting to the festival from there wont be > easy! > > In Preston the bus station is a 10/15 minute walk from the railway station, > turn right out of the station and walk through the town centre, the bus > station is behind the Guild Hall (scene of many a Hawks gig!) and is > clearly signposted. > To get to the bus in Blackpool is even easier as it's literally across the > road (Talbot Road) from the railway station. > > Some people mentioned getting a taxi from Preston to the site and that is > probably not a bad idea. I reckon the cost of such a trip will be about > ?25 - ?30, but a lot of the local taxi firms run large mini-bus type cabs > that seat 6 or 7. Here are a couple of local cab firms : > AAA taxis 01772 555666 / 555333 / 555444 > Ribleton Taxis 01772 654545 > But there are lots more. > For meating up for a taxi I would suggest the Railway pub just outside the > station, which ain't the best pub in the world but being an Irish bar does > a decent pint of Guinness. > > Hope some of you find all this helpful. > If any of you are still confused mail me at ian at stirzi.fsnet.co.uk > > Hope you all have a great time at the festival and in the Red Rose county > of Lancashire, the locals are generally friendly up here in the North and > keep fingers and everything else crossed for some good weather! > > See you all there. > > Ian From designer at GRANDVIEWRABBITRY.COM Mon Aug 4 06:00:54 2003 From: designer at GRANDVIEWRABBITRY.COM (LegalinCanada) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:00:54 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind in Canada Message-ID: Hey all: I have been a Hawkwind fan for more than 20 years, but have never been fortunate enough to see the band play live. I have been subscribed to this list for quite some time and this is my first post. I have enjoyed reading all the news about the world's greatest Space Rock band and am especially interested in all the recent discussions about Hawkfest. I would love to go, but live in Canada and couldn't afford the trip. Quite some time ago there was discussion about a possible North American tour. I just wondered if anything has been firmed up. Thanks, Anxious in Ontario From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Aug 4 06:15:45 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:15:45 +0200 Subject: BOC: B-list celebrities :) Message-ID: See here... http://us.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/News/08/02/autographs.ap/index.html What's their charity do you think? Grakkl (FAA) From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 4 06:42:51 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:42:51 EDT Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 04/08/03 09:56:10 GMT Daylight Time, motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: > Hi, > 30 odd quid is a lot for a taxi ! Just wondering is there a nearer raiway > station. Poulton perhaps ? Arranging a meet up and sharing a taxi would be the best way. There's a pub across the road from the station called the Vic and Station. If you want to venture a bit further, 5 minutes walk away are the friendlier rock pubs The Dog & Partridge and the New Brit. The beer in the latter 2 is always top quality. Good food there as well. ?2.20 for anything on the menu in the D&P (no microwaves), slightly more in the Brit. Can't complain at either though. Here's a link to the Brit: http://www.rabble.co.uk/event.php?id=51 The Dog's just round the corner: http://www.rabble.co.uk/event.php?id=50 Steve. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 4 19:14:31 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:14:31 +0100 Subject: HW: off the rails Message-ID: On the news this evening - the Britain's Network Railways have been thrown into chaos. Why? - you ask skeptically - Are they not always in a state of chaos? Indeed so - I reply - But There Is Now A New Reason And what is that? - you query doubtfully - aware that there has been: - the wrong kind of rain (too heavy) - the wrong kind of snow (gets in the air ducts) - the wrong kind of leaves (wet and they stick to the lines) And now there is......... .....The wrong kind of heat - yes folks - it's too hot!! The high temperatures are apparently causing the railway lines to expand and buckle so, showing great care and concern for its travelling public, the Railway Network has been forced to impose speed restrictions on ALL the trains. Trains that usually travel at 110mph are being restricted to 60mph, and this is particularly affecting West Coast Virgin train services so...... if you were doubtful about making that connection I wouldn't worry. Your entire train has probably been cancelled by now and all passengers put onto one that won't be leaving until Tuesday afternoon at the earliest! I'm probably being a tad over-cynical here but there are considerable disruptions at the moment so don't be surprised if you find some timetable problems. However it *is* only Monday and almost anything could happen to the weather before the weekend! good luck jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 5 02:10:54 2003 From: motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM (motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:10:54 +0100 Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: Nice idea, however we've got two children ( including a rather large 3-wheeled pushchair ) and a dog ! So a whole black-cab will be needed. Might well drop into one of the pubs anyway to feed hungry-husband! See you there. Sam........... > from: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM > date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:42:51 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: HW Hawkfest Transport > > In a message dated 04/08/03 09:56:10 GMT Daylight Time, > motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: > > > Hi, > > 30 odd quid is a lot for a taxi ! Just wondering is there a nearer raiway > > station. Poulton perhaps ? > > Arranging a meet up and sharing a taxi would be the best way. > There's a pub across the road from the station called the Vic and Station. > > If you want to venture a bit further, 5 minutes walk away are the friendlier > rock pubs The Dog & Partridge and the New Brit. The beer in the latter 2 is > always top quality. Good food there as well. ?2.20 for anything on the menu > in the D&P (no microwaves), slightly more in the Brit. Can't complain at > either though. > > Here's a link to the Brit: > http://www.rabble.co.uk/event.php?id=51 > > The Dog's just round the corner: > http://www.rabble.co.uk/event.php?id=50 > > Steve. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 5 03:22:27 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:22:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: off the rails Message-ID: Not wanting to be cynical here Gill, but when did a Virgin West Coast train ever travel at more than 23 mph anyway? I've known London to Manchester take nearly twelve hours before now, due to "wrong kind of hamsters on the line" or somesuch. It's the most abysmal service in the country and how the hell they've kept their franchise is beyond me. (Oh know - I remember why. It's got that grinning **** Branson behind it, hasn't it?) You want to get to anywhere up the West Coast line? Go up the East coast and get a coach over the M62. Cheers, Rich. > On the news this evening - the Britain's Network Railways have been > thrown into chaos. > > Why? - you ask skeptically - Are they not always in a state of chaos? > Indeed so - I reply - But There Is Now A New Reason > And what is that? - you query doubtfully - aware that there has been: > - the wrong kind of rain (too heavy) > - the wrong kind of snow (gets in the air ducts) > - the wrong kind of leaves (wet and they stick to the lines) > And now there is......... .....The wrong kind of heat > - yes folks - it's too hot!! > > The high temperatures are apparently causing the railway lines to expand > and buckle so, showing great care and concern for its travelling public, > the Railway Network has been forced to impose speed restrictions on ALL > the trains. Trains that usually travel at 110mph are being restricted > to 60mph, and this is particularly affecting West Coast Virgin train > services so...... if you were doubtful about making that connection I > wouldn't worry. Your entire train has probably been cancelled by now > and all passengers put onto one that won't be leaving until Tuesday > afternoon at the earliest! > > I'm probably being a tad over-cynical here but there are considerable > disruptions at the moment so don't be surprised if you find some > timetable problems. However it *is* only Monday and almost anything > could happen to the weather before the weekend! > > good luck > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 5 04:50:57 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:50:57 +0000 Subject: HW: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry Message-ID: UFOs? PROBABLY A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING TO THE FESTIE IN ONE THAN USING BRIT RAIL...UNLESS OF COURSE THEY'RE OWNED BY SOME RAIL CO. IN WHICH CASE THEY WILL PROBABLY COME IN CONTACT WITH THE WRONG KIND OF AIR THUS BECOMING US(tationary) Os >From: Karen Kusic >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry >Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:20:05 -0400 > >UFOs are seen flying over Daventry: > >http://www.daventryexpress.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx? >SectionID=696&ArticleID=568425 > >They must be on their way to the Hawkfest? > >;) > >Karen >(in digest mode) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 5 06:26:26 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:26:26 +0100 Subject: HW: off the rails In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > I'm probably being a tad over-cynical here but there are considerable > disruptions at the moment so don't be surprised if you find some > timetable problems. However it *is* only Monday and almost anything > could happen to the weather before the weekend! Yeah, we just haven't had such predictable weather since they nationalised it. FoFP From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Aug 4 22:32:06 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:32:06 -0400 Subject: HW: off the rails Message-ID: Wow, whatever happened to the trains??? when i lived in england in 1970-71,the trains were so prompt you could set your watch by them. tim Jill Strobridge wrote: > > On the news this evening - the Britain's Network Railways have been > thrown into chaos. > > Why? - you ask skeptically - Are they not always in a state of chaos? > Indeed so - I reply - But There Is Now A New Reason > And what is that? - you query doubtfully - aware that there has been: > - the wrong kind of rain (too heavy) > - the wrong kind of snow (gets in the air ducts) > - the wrong kind of leaves (wet and they stick to the lines) > And now there is......... .....The wrong kind of heat > - yes folks - it's too hot!! > > The high temperatures are apparently causing the railway lines to expand > and buckle so, showing great care and concern for its travelling public, > the Railway Network has been forced to impose speed restrictions on ALL > the trains. Trains that usually travel at 110mph are being restricted > to 60mph, and this is particularly affecting West Coast Virgin train > services so...... if you were doubtful about making that connection I > wouldn't worry. Your entire train has probably been cancelled by now > and all passengers put onto one that won't be leaving until Tuesday > afternoon at the earliest! > > I'm probably being a tad over-cynical here but there are considerable > disruptions at the moment so don't be surprised if you find some > timetable problems. However it *is* only Monday and almost anything > could happen to the weather before the weekend! > > good luck > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 5 06:32:29 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:32:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: off the rails In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:22:27 +0100 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > Not wanting to be cynical here Gill, but when did a Virgin West Coast train > ever travel at more than 23 mph anyway? I've known London to Manchester > take nearly twelve hours before now, due to "wrong kind of hamsters on the > line" or somesuch. Twelve hours? You were lucky. When I 'ad t' get a Virgin train from Liverpool, there were no 'eatin' despite t' winter and some of t' carriages 'ad t' do without lights even though it were dark. But we were stoical in them days. At least t' train were moving, even if it were only walking speed. Some of t' bogs were overflowin' too and a river of piss were runnin down t' middle of t' carriage. But we were 'appy because we knew that tiltin' trains were comin' and if we were on a tiltin' train, we'd be gettin' our feet wet. And you tell that to the youth of today and they won't believe you. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 5 06:34:04 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:34:04 +0100 Subject: HW: UFOs are seen flying over Daventry In-Reply-To: PETER WILKINSON's message of Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: PETER WILKINSON writes: > UFOs? PROBABLY A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING TO THE FESTIE IN ONE THAN USING > BRIT RAIL... I hear they're held up due to the Lagrange points being stuck. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 5 06:35:06 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:35:06 +0100 Subject: HW: off the rails In-Reply-To: Tim's message of Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:32:06 -0400 Message-ID: Tim writes: > Wow, whatever happened to the trains??? when i lived in england in > 1970-71,the trains were so prompt you could set your watch by them. > tim What colour is the English flag in your timeline? FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 5 06:53:15 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:53:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Cornberg Festival Off Message-ID: We have just found out that the Cornberg Festival is NOT happening. If anyone has bought tickets then I suggest that you contact Kalle Becker on 0049 173 352 40 67 if dialing from outside Germany. Colin From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Aug 5 11:07:43 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:07:43 +0200 Subject: Cornberg Festival Off Message-ID: Is the Melkweg,Amsterdam gig still on? I've already bookend hotel. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: HW: Cornberg Festival Off > We have just found out that the Cornberg Festival is NOT happening. > If anyone has bought tickets then I suggest that you contact Kalle > Becker on 0049 173 352 40 67 if dialing from outside Germany. > > Colin > > From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Aug 5 12:59:14 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:59:14 +0100 Subject: Cornberg Festival Off In-Reply-To: <000501c35b63$52a5e6c0$ca71a451@pandora.be> Message-ID: I'll second that request for further info - c'mon Kris/Colin, put us out of our suspense, do we need to cancel those flights? AL --- Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Is the Melkweg,Amsterdam gig still on? > > I've already bookend hotel. > > greetings > filip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: HW: Cornberg Festival Off > > > > We have just found out that the Cornberg Festival is NOT happening. > > If anyone has bought tickets then I suggest that you contact Kalle > > Becker on 0049 173 352 40 67 if dialing from outside Germany. > > > > Colin > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 5 14:33:04 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:33:04 EDT Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 05/08/03 07:12:09 GMT Daylight Time, motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: > Nice idea, however we've got two children ( including a rather large > 3-wheeled pushchair ) and a dog ! So a whole black-cab will be needed. > Might well drop into one of the pubs anyway to feed hungry-husband! Well it's the Dog & Partridge for you then as it's child, and dog, friendly. When you come off the train, I think you have to leave by the side entrance as the main one is shut. Was last time I went anyhow. So it's out the side entrance, cross the zebra crossing ant turn left. You'll find yourselves on the main road that is Fishergate. Cross the road at the lights and continue straight on down Corporation Street. You'll see Office World. Continue to the sign for the Office World carpark, turn right and walk through it. Straight on past the Trophy Centre and the Italian restauraunts (if you can) there's a bus stop ahead of you. Turn left here and there it is. 5 minutes maximum on foot. It's a bikers pub with a really good bunch of people in there, good beer and good food. A tip though... avoid the curry. It's good, but it's daaaamn hot! Unfortunately I won't be there to meet you as we set off in the taxi at 11 ish. Say Alice Cooper Steve told you about it, and give Conrad a bit of stick for me. He's the one with the spikey dyed black hair behind the bar... calls me Granddad :-) Enjoy, and see you at the fest. Steve. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 5 16:07:49 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:07:49 +0100 Subject: HW: some, OFF: much In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 2003, Henderson Keith wrote: > > > What's Marc Power up to these days, anyone know? > > Recently I saw this announcement...so I guess Marc's healthy > enough to play again now? That's good news! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Scattered Planets will soon be hosting another space > rock festival featuring bands from the Philadelphia > area as well as nearby states. > > Featured acts include: > Born To Go - http://borntogo.com > This event will be held at the Rotunda in Philadelphia > (4012 Walnut St). 6pm-2am on Saturday May 31st. The > show is free for all ages. For more information on > the Rotunda and other events held at this venue, visit > http://foundationarts.org So did this actually happen and anyone see what Marc pulled out of the bag? > > Last ST 37 was total change from previous one which was total > > change from previous one, so they're one of the most adventurous > > ones around right now,that's for sure. But last more song-based > > album improves with every play. > > In addition to their official CDs (Emperor Jones), they've been > doing their own homemade 'outtakes' releases. Including the > one LP from a few years' back (The Secret Society was it?) and > then a CD in c. 2001, black & white cover (can't remember the title, > one word I think). Anyway, I thought I saw that they had something > new again on Black Widow for the near (if that's possible) future, > oddly enough. So they're very active it seems. And if you go to > their website, you will see they're working on a tour with Primordial > Undermind (the fourth (?) version, TX-based now) including other > areas of the country (playing in Philly with Bardo Pond too). For > sometime in mid-Summer (July-Aug.). So I guess there's definitely > some life there! I confess I hadn't realised _Secret Society_ was an out-takes album and was pretty disappointed with it when I got it. So I'm not sure which CD you refer to there but I wouldn't mind knowing so as to get the other albums before that. > > > Don't know any > > > of the Hungarian stuff I confess. Where would one ideally start with > > > fixing that? > > Korai Orom - 1997 is my favorite. > Colorstar - Heavenicetrip and Masfel - Anglyatojas (sp?) are also quite > nice...Ozric-y, ethnic-y, trance-y tribal fun. I've been hearing good things about Korai Orom for so long that they should already be on my (pretty hypothetical at the moment what with cash and stuff) to-get list. So now they are. > And does 'assorted projects' mean that he's still working with > Alf Hardy (also ex-TDog)? If so, I hope then the back catalog > will get the deserved attention...but whether Steve Mills is > onboard with it I can't guess. Well, the Earth Lab thing he had going at the beginning of the year was definitely a Hardy co-operation, as I might have guessed from the name had I remembered that The Paradogs' album is called _Foul Play at the Earth Lab_; but whether they have control over their old stuff is anyone's guess I imagine. Just thoughts, anyhow, yours, Jon ObLP: Hawkwind - _Zones_ -- "If you are rich, throw away your documents. If you are poor, do so also." (Egyptian proverb) Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College From motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 5 17:01:54 2003 From: motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM (motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:01:54 +0100 Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: Nice-one mate. We'll definately check it out then. Didn't know that biker-pubs still existed ! The one I used to go to in York ( Where I'm from originally ) was turned into a business man's lunch-pub. I trust it's got a good dukebox ??? Sam... > from: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM > date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:33:04 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > subject: Re: HW Hawkfest Transport > > In a message dated 05/08/03 07:12:09 GMT Daylight Time, > motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: > > > Nice idea, however we've got two children ( including a rather large > > 3-wheeled pushchair ) and a dog ! So a whole black-cab will be needed. > > Might well drop into one of the pubs anyway to feed hungry-husband! > > > Well it's the Dog & Partridge for you then as it's child, and dog, friendly. > > When you come off the train, I think you have to leave by the side entrance > as the main one is shut. Was last time I went anyhow. > > So it's out the side entrance, cross the zebra crossing ant turn left. > You'll find yourselves on the main road that is Fishergate. Cross the road > at the lights and continue straight on down Corporation Street. > > You'll see Office World. Continue to the sign for the Office World carpark, > turn right and walk through it. Straight on past the Trophy Centre and the > Italian restauraunts (if you can) there's a bus stop ahead of you. > Turn left here and there it is. > > 5 minutes maximum on foot. > > It's a bikers pub with a really good bunch of people in there, good beer and > good food. A tip though... avoid the curry. It's good, but it's daaaamn hot! > > Unfortunately I won't be there to meet you as we set off in the taxi at 11 > ish. > Say Alice Cooper Steve told you about it, and give Conrad a bit of stick for > me. He's the one with the spikey dyed black hair behind the bar... calls me > Granddad :-) > > Enjoy, and see you at the fest. > > Steve. From andrewjohnaston at AOL.COM Tue Aug 5 17:13:21 2003 From: andrewjohnaston at AOL.COM (Andrew John Aston) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:13:21 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: No UK dates!! :-( Message-ID: Albert Dissapointed to see there are no UK dates on tBS European Beach Party Tour. Sure there are plenty of fans would love to see you here. AJA. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 5 17:59:19 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:59:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Melkweg Message-ID: "Prag Vec at the Melkweg"! Sorry, HMHB gag there. Cheers, Rich. > Is the Melkweg,Amsterdam gig still on? > > I've already bookend hotel. > > greetings > filip > > > We have just found out that the Cornberg Festival is NOT happening. > > If anyone has bought tickets then I suggest that you contact Kalle > > Becker on 0049 173 352 40 67 if dialing from outside Germany. > > > > Colin > > > > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 5 18:27:30 2003 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:27:30 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: No UK dates!! :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:13 PM, Andrew John Aston wrote: > Dissapointed to see there are no UK dates on tBS European Beach Party > Tour. > Sure there are plenty of fans would love to see you here. Yes, had we more time to stay over there or if our schedule was convenient for the booking person then we would be doing some but it will have to wait for next time. At least we're getting closer! Al PS there are plenty of places where people would come out to see us but we haven't gotten to yet, Australia, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma to name a few. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Aug 5 20:36:52 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:36:52 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: No UK dates!! :-( Message-ID: Yes by golly...and us Floridians are still holding our breaths... tim 8>) Albert Bouchard wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:13 PM, Andrew John Aston wrote: > > > Dissapointed to see there are no UK dates on tBS European Beach Party > > Tour. > > Sure there are plenty of fans would love to see you here. > > Yes, had we more time to stay over there or if our schedule was > convenient for the booking person then we would be doing some but it > will have to wait for next time. At least we're getting closer! > Al > > PS there are plenty of places where people would come out to see us but > we haven't gotten to yet, Australia, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma to > name a few. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Aug 5 15:09:07 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:09:07 +0200 Subject: HW:Melkweg Message-ID: Hello all, Been to the Melkweg website and the gig still stands. Will try to telephone today. greetings filip From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Aug 5 20:34:58 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:34:58 +0200 Subject: HW:Melkweg/tickets Message-ID: Tickets arrived today ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: HW:Melkweg Hello all, Been to the Melkweg website and the gig still stands. Will try to telephone today. greetings filip From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Aug 6 11:46:50 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:46:50 +0200 Subject: HW: Big Amongst Sheep bit Message-ID: Hey Folks... Found this on the web. The URL is too long...you'll need to paste them together in your browser... http://www.thisisthelakedistrict.co.uk/entertainment/musicscene/ offtherecord/display.var.398189.0.space_rockers_back.php Grakkl (FAA) From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 6 12:45:14 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:45:14 EDT Subject: HW: Big Amongst Sheep bit Message-ID: In a message dated 06/08/03 16:47:37 GMT Daylight Time, keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > Found this on the web. > > The URL is too long...you'll need to paste them together in > your browser... > > http://www.thisisthelakedistrict.co.uk/entertainment/musicscene/ > offtherecord/display.var.398189.0.space_rockers_back.php It says there that Ozric Tentacles are on as well. Is this right? Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 6 12:50:34 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:50:34 EDT Subject: HW Hawkfest Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 05/08/03 22:03:35 GMT Daylight Time, motherfitzpatrick at BTOPENWORLD.COM writes: > Nice-one mate. > We'll definately check it out then. Didn't know that biker-pubs still > existed ! This one I can't inagine being turned into a business man's lunch pub :-) although a lot of people do go there for lunch, especially Fridays for the Deadly Beef Curry. Nope... it's a bikers / rock pub alright. > I trust it's got a good dukebox ??? The jukey's not bad at all. No HW though. Steve. From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 6 18:01:31 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:01:31 +0100 Subject: English money Message-ID: Technically, pound notes are not legal tender in England - only in Scotland. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zebulon Mysterioso" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: English money > Just make sure to spend any Scottish notes you get in change before you go > home. > English banks and some shops can be ridiculously fussy and refuse to accept > non-English Sterling notes. > > >From: Stephe Lindas > > > >Hi Folks, Got a question, which may seem dumb but I don't know. > >Do they use English money in Scotland? Cheers Stephe > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 7 07:01:37 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:01:37 +0100 Subject: So, anybody going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: Looks like they're promising the warmest day in a century or whatever for Saturday and great weather all weekend... List meet at the beer tent Saturday noon? FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Aug 7 07:14:38 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:14:38 +0100 Subject: So, anybody going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: <200308071101.h77B1bYu011874@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I thought I might turn up... Back from China a coupla days ago, jet lag pretty much sorted and raring to go. I'm aiming to arrive early pm tomorrow, blue Escort with some very attractive gaffer tape enhancements to the front bumper, hope to catch up with as many of you as poss. See you there! Nick -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 07 August 2003 12:02 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: So, anybody going to Hawkfest? Looks like they're promising the warmest day in a century or whatever for Saturday and great weather all weekend... List meet at the beer tent Saturday noon? FoFP From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Aug 7 09:37:52 2003 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:37:52 -0600 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: <000001c35cd5$1725d290$dbe66b51@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: I expect this list will be quiet the next week. Anyone else out there not making it to the Fest? and why not? I'll go first... Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained my travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; but, the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while getting the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a Fest next year. Mark From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 7 09:59:21 2003 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:59:21 +1000 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: ....in Australia & unable to travel. Very unhappy. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Licht" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:37 PM Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? > I expect this list will be quiet the next week. Anyone else out there not > making it to the Fest? and why not? I'll go first... > > Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained my > travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; but, > the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while getting > the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a > Fest next year. > > Mark > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 7 10:20:50 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:20:50 +0100 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: Mark Licht's message of Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:37:52 -0600 Message-ID: Mark Licht writes: > Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained my > travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; but, > the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while getting > the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a > Fest next year. I suspect that we can take it as read that if not enough people go to this one to make it pay, it'll be the last one. Even with the best will in the world, economics will out. FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 7 10:26:31 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:26:31 +0800 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: In Australia and just come back from Bali last night. A truly remarkable place - marred of course by the car bomb in Java. Did manage though to pick up two Hawkwind CDs but no DVDs. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: Re: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? > ....in Australia & unable to travel. Very unhappy. > Allan Sharpe > sharpies at idx.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Licht" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:37 PM > Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? > > > > I expect this list will be quiet the next week. Anyone else out there not > > making it to the Fest? and why not? I'll go first... > > > > Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained > my > > travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; > but, > > the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while > getting > > the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a > > Fest next year. > > > > Mark > > > > From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Aug 7 13:19:30 2003 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:19:30 -0700 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Partly funds, but also the promise (?!?) of a Hawkwind US tour in the fall. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Licht Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:38 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? I expect this list will be quiet the next week. Anyone else out there not making it to the Fest? and why not? I'll go first... From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Aug 7 14:47:53 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:47:53 -0400 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: ; from novadrive@COX.NET on Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:19:30AM -0700 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:19:30AM -0700, KevinSommers wrote: > Partly funds, but also the promise (?!?) of a Hawkwind US tour in the fall. Likewise -- I'm saving both money and vacation days for that. Green with envy in the meantime. Sounds as though you'll have better weather than the festival I did make it to, as well -- Starwood was rainy most of the week. Have fun, people who are going to be there! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 7 16:08:03 2003 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:08:03 EDT Subject: hawkwind N American tour Message-ID: ????????? One can only hope b From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 7 17:11:12 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:11:12 +0100 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: True - but at least they are being optimistic. They promised us a stand at next year's event! Rite now, if I go down this weekend I can only make it for the Saturday and even that's not certain - we'll just have to see. But I really would love to meet everyone so the effort will be made at least-even if it gets me nowhere. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? > Mark Licht writes: > > > Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained my > > travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; but, > > the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while getting > > the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a > > Fest next year. > > I suspect that we can take it as read that if not enough people go to > this one to make it pay, it'll be the last one. Even with the best will > in the world, economics will out. > > FoFP From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 7 18:47:01 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:47:01 EDT Subject: So, anybody going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: In a message dated 07/08/03 12:02:56 GMT Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > List meet at the beer tent Saturday noon? > See you from Friday.... I'll be the silver haired f****r wearing an Alice Cooper t-shirt. 'Appen.... The t shirt may change, the hair won't. Steve. From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Aug 7 19:18:39 2003 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:18:39 -0600 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: can't go- no fundage, and too far away-I'm in Boise, Idaho, USA (southern corner of the Northwest). I wish I could, tho! Sounds like fun! Pam Mark Licht wrote: > I expect this list will be quiet the next week. Anyone else out there not > making it to the Fest? and why not? I'll go first... > > Missed last year's when a past friend needed emergency money that drained my > travel funds. Vowed to go to this year's fest come heck or high water; but, > the fianc?e and I just bought a house and are still unpacking while getting > the other house painted, fixed up and ready for a tenant. Hope there's a > Fest next year. > > Mark -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:47:53 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:19:30AM -0700, KevinSommers wrote: >> Partly funds, but also the promise (?!?) of a Hawkwind US tour >> in the fall. > >Likewise -- I'm saving both money and vacation days for that. >Green with envy in the meantime. In my case, two European trips this summer was just too much to try to pull off, both time- and finances-wise. I made the right decision, as my trip to Germany last month was possibly the best experience of my life; certainly one of them! Plus, I would have been letting my bandmates down if I hadn't gone with them - moreso than I initially thought, since they could have performed without me, but the recording we did there (in a "dream studio") would not have happened in my absence. Unfortunately, the afteraffects of the trip will continue to eat up my vacation time, as I have a visitor from there to host for three weeks next month ... >Have fun, people who are going to be there! I'll second that! (Even though we already KNOW that you will!) Cheers, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Aug 8 00:04:51 2003 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:04:51 -0500 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: Unfortunately I won't be making it either, this time around. I just bought a house and am in the process of moving in, so the timing and funding just aren't working together, as traveling from Indiana to the UK is too much for now... John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 8 07:18:09 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:18:09 +0100 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: Andrew Garibaldi's message of Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:11:12 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Garibaldi writes: > True - but at least they are being optimistic. They promised us a stand at > next year's event! > Rite now, if I go down this weekend I can only make it for the Saturday and > even that's not certain - we'll just have to see. But I really would love to > meet everyone so the effort will be made at least-even if it gets me > nowhere. OK, Let's make it an official list meet at the beer tent at noon Saturday. A few of us know each other but this'd be good for those who don't to meet the rest of us. If it's closed, we'll just meet outside it. In terms of recognising folks. I'll likely be the most colourful character for miles. If you need shades for something other than the Sun, you've found me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 8 07:23:25 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:23:25 +0100 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > In my case, two European trips this summer was just too much to try to > pull off, both time- and finances-wise. I made the right decision, as my > trip to Germany last month was possibly the best experience of my life; > certainly one of them! Glad to hear you made it over the right side of the water... > Plus, I would have been letting my bandmates down > if I hadn't gone with them - moreso than I initially thought, since they > could have performed without me, but the recording we did there (in > a "dream studio") T. Dream? > would not have happened in my absence. Unfortunately, > the afteraffects of the trip will continue to eat up my vacation time, as > I have a visitor from there to host for three weeks next month ... Could lurv be in the air on this list once again? Enquiring minds... > >Have fun, people who are going to be there! It'll be hard, but we'll try... Speaking of Germans, will Bernhard, Wilfried, Rainer et al be wending their way there today? Gig reports after the weekend, and errr I still have to write one for Pentrich - I noticed two bright other-worldly objects during Hawkwind's set and it turns out they were even real. Then there was the hoovering afterwards, but more on that later... FoFP From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 8 08:06:45 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:06:45 +0100 Subject: HW: RE.So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: Mark Licht: wrote:- >I expect this list will be quiet the next week. >Anyone else out there not making it to the Fest? >and why not? I'll go first... An old friend has inconsiderately chosen to get married this Saturday. I suppose I might have made Friday & Sunday, since the "do" is in Heptonstall, but the logistics of oganising all that & getting my daughter to Rock City on Sunday night too just don't bear thinking about. Last year, I was in Scotland... It's my jinx again - wonder if I'll make it next year. Plenty of notice please Hawkfolx!!! ChrisW From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Fri Aug 8 05:13:55 2003 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:13:55 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare Cds Message-ID: Hej, I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind Cds right now: 1. PXR5 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time 3. Love in Space Cd Single? 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get recorded for us who can't be there! scott ObCD- Terminal Wasteband From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 8 10:06:53 2003 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:06:53 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: Alien 4 has been going for crazy money recently - and I saw Distant Horizons on e-bay the other day at around ?37 so I guess they're pretty scarce now as well. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: HW: Rare Cds > Hej, > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind Cds > right now: > > 1. PXR5 > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > recorded for us who can't be there! > > scott > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > > From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 8 11:38:27 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:38:27 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage it by how much they go for on ebay. 1. 25 years on 2. PXR5 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) 4. QS+C (Virgin version) 5. Warrior (griffin version) cheers colm p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. > Hej, > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind Cds > right now: > > 1. PXR5 > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > recorded for us who can't be there! > > scott > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 8 15:52:56 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:52:56 -0400 Subject: HW: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:04:51 -0500, John Majka wrote: >Unfortunately I won't be making it either, this time around. I just bought >a house and am in the process of moving in, so the timing and funding just >aren't working together, as traveling from Indiana to the UK is too much for >now... I won't be there either. Last year I had to drop out at the last minute due to family illness, this year I'm living in the US. Enjoy it everyone- I really hope it's a roaring success and there'll be another one in 2004. Nick From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Fri Aug 8 17:47:19 2003 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:47:19 -0400 Subject: Rare Cds In-Reply-To: <001b01c35dc3$1c614b10$0d736751@IRONDREAM> Message-ID: So, would it be proper etiquette to offer some of these CD's for sale or swap to the list first before putting them up on Ebay? (he asks, remembering the half-dozen or so HW duplicates he has in the "for sale" bin...) Ship -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colm McWilliams Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:38 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Rare Cds as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage it by how much they go for on ebay. 1. 25 years on 2. PXR5 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) 4. QS+C (Virgin version) 5. Warrior (griffin version) cheers colm p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. > Hej, > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind Cds > right now: > > 1. PXR5 > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > recorded for us who can't be there! > > scott > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 8 18:20:45 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:20:45 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: i think that would be fair cos it would stop the cd's going at inflated prices which they are doing so right no on ebay and not everyone can afford to fork out over 100 dollars for PXR5 colm > So, would it be proper etiquette to offer some of these CD's for sale or > swap to the list first before putting them up on Ebay? (he asks, remembering > the half-dozen or so HW duplicates he has in the "for sale" bin...) > > Ship > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colm McWilliams > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:38 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Rare Cds > > > as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage it by > how much they go for on ebay. > > 1. 25 years on > 2. PXR5 > 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) > 4. QS+C (Virgin version) > 5. Warrior (griffin version) > > cheers > > colm > > p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in > swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. > > > > > Hej, > > > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind > Cds > > right now: > > > > 1. PXR5 > > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > > recorded for us who can't be there! > > > > scott > > > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > > > From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Fri Aug 8 19:01:01 2003 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:01:01 +0100 Subject: Hawfest. Message-ID: >From Steve at Hawfest (via phone) Arthur Brown was magnificent tonight, even in his gold lame outfit. Absolutely superb. He did the 'Fire' bit and everything. All the band are just hanging out with people. Too cool. The festival is the best one I`ve ever been to. Absolutely fantastic and HW haven`t even played yet!! Steve From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 8 19:45:52 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:45:52 -0400 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:23:25 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Doug Pearson writes: > >> my trip to Germany last month was possibly the best experience of >> my life; certainly one of them! > >Glad to hear you made it over the right side of the water... And about time! It had been something like 25 years since I'd been outside the North American continent. Must happen again sooner ... >> the recording we did there (in a "dream studio") > >T. Dream? Actually, they had one of Kraftwerk's old synths there (whiteface Arp Odyssey), not Tangerine Dream's. (Also the EMS modular that used to be at the University of Glasgow.) Almost too much cool stuff for me to handle! >> Unfortunately, the afteraffects of the trip will continue to >> eat up my vacation time, as I have a visitor from there to host >> for three weeks next month ... > >Could lurv be in the air on this list once again? Enquiring minds... That would be a correct deduction. >Gig reports after the weekend, and errr I still have to write one for >Pentrich - I noticed two bright other-worldly objects during Hawkwind's >set and it turns out they were even real. Then there was the hoovering >afterwards, but more on that later... Hmmm ... what sort of space aliens visit earth for the BIKER FESTS?!?!? (Besides the obvious: "the ones that are Hawkwind fans"!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Aug 8 23:06:33 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:06:33 -0400 Subject: So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? In-Reply-To: ; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:45:52PM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:45:52PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > Hmmm ... what sort of space aliens visit earth for the BIKER FESTS?!?!? > (Besides the obvious: "the ones that are Hawkwind fans"!) Vogons and Ferengi. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Aug 9 02:09:16 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:09:16 +0100 Subject: RE.So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? Message-ID: Sadly I, too, have failed - next year will be a different story. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: HW: RE.So, anybody not going to Hawkfest? > Mark Licht: wrote:- > >I expect this list will be quiet the next week. > >Anyone else out there not making it to the Fest? > >and why not? I'll go first... > > An old friend has inconsiderately chosen to get married this Saturday. > I suppose I might have made Friday & Sunday, since the "do" is in > Heptonstall, but the logistics of oganising all that & getting my daughter > to Rock City on Sunday night too just don't bear thinking about. > > Last year, I was in Scotland... It's my jinx again - wonder if I'll make it > next year. > Plenty of notice please Hawkfolx!!! > ChrisW From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Aug 9 02:37:52 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:37:52 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: Which is all actually even crazier when you consider that at CD Services we have no problem with supplies of Alien 4 CD at the ?13.99 price we sell it at - and the same applies for Distant horizons CD, Sonic Attack CD, Choose Your Masks CD, Area S4 EP on CD and 12", Spirit Of The Age CDS and 12", Undisclosed Files Addendum CD, Love In Space CD single, Ritual Of The Solstice Remix LP, Psychedelic Warriors (aka Hawkwind) CD, Quark clear vinyl 12", plus the Tribe Of Cro "Sporadic" CD - in fact the only things on the EBS label that are deleted are the Love In Space album on CD (the pressing plant accidentally destroyed the artwork masters and noone's bothered to do any new one which is why that's deleted), Simon House's "Yassassim" CD (the label has quite a lot of CD's but no covers), Ritual Of Solstice CD (vinyl OK though), Business Trip Live (altho' the Griffin one's OK, but the odd EBS copy keeps appearing in various places) and I think that's it - correct me if I've missed anything - so the people paying anything more than standard prices for EBS and associated label stuff on E Bay only have themselves to blame!!! If that's the way they want to play it - be far easier to go to: http://www.psychedelic-music-cds.com/en-gb/dept_264.html if that link works !!!!! (and beware - noone's updated that part of the site yet so some things on there are already deleted but not many). But there ya go - now ya know. Anything else ya want to know? - yes - it's ask Andy G weekend!!(lol) -and any questions about the lateness of the new Krel CD - well, at last minute, we found clicks on the CD master - more delays!! One day this will come out!!! Toodles Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Rare Cds Alien 4 has been going for crazy money recently - and I saw Distant Horizons on e-bay the other day at around ?37 so I guess they're pretty scarce now as well. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: HW: Rare Cds > Hej, > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind Cds > right now: > > 1. PXR5 > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > recorded for us who can't be there! > > scott > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 9 14:34:37 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:34:37 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest greetings from The U.S.A.!!! ( thinking of you all) D-Rider mp3 file 4U Message-ID: Hello friends! On behalf of SLOTERDIJK, I'd like to say how we wish you all a great Hawkfest!!! We would be there if we could. In lieu of that, Maria & I have recorded a version of D-Rider for any and all who'd like to listen to it. We're trying to keep the spirit alive under difficult circumstances. Cheers! and all the very best... Mike The tune can be accessed at http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com or http://www.theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( It's the last song in the column to the right ) D-Rider ( Turner ) Mike Burro: guitars, synths, vocals, production & engineering Dr. Maria Ramundo: bass, tambourine, backing vocals _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 9 16:38:10 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:38:10 +0000 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] Hawkfest greetings from The U.S.A.!!! ( thinking of you all) D-Rider mp3 file 4U Message-ID: the link is up and running now!!! Cheers!! >From: "Burro Mike" >Reply-To: SLOTERDIJK-Pod at yahoogroups.com >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, >boc-l at listserv.spc.edu, cratylus7 at msn.com, dreamwind69 at hotmail.com, >drehner at head-cfa.harvard.edu, gsmithlang at aol.com, hchorstmann at aol.com, >headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk, jessingram57 at hotmail.com, jmp at monitor.net, >joretta4 at aol.com, jperkins at mailcity.com, kevin.com at btinternet.com, >MJsocial at aol.com, mramberg at ncb.com, nexus at panix.com, p-addison at t-online.de, >rancity at comcast.net, Rkotlarek@!aol.com, swheately at flowgaurd.com, >teahammers at cs.com, warrendavis180 at msn.com >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] Hawkfest greetings from The U.S.A.!!! ( thinking >of you all) D-Rider mp3 file 4U >Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:34:37 +0000 > >Hello friends! >On behalf of SLOTERDIJK, I'd like to say how we wish you all a great >Hawkfest!!! >We would be there if we could. 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From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Aug 10 06:45:13 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:45:13 +0200 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: Aren't you forgetting the flicknife Dave Brock? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colm McWilliams" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Rare Cds > as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage it by > how much they go for on ebay. > > 1. 25 years on > 2. PXR5 > 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) > 4. QS+C (Virgin version) > 5. Warrior (griffin version) > > cheers > > colm > > p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in > swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. > > > > > Hej, > > > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind > Cds > > right now: > > > > 1. PXR5 > > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands get > > recorded for us who can't be there! > > > > scott > > > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > > > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 10 09:19:05 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:19:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Stoner Rock shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 10, 2003): We've just uploaded the following new radio shows: Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #85): Strange Attractors Audio House Label Special * Strange Attractors is located in Portland, OR, and has a fantastic and ever expanding roster of artists that cover a range of Space/Psychedelic/Acid Rock, Drone/Ambient, and all kinds of experimental and sound exploratory music. The Atomic Bongload (show #1): The debut of our new show that covers Stoner Rock and all kinds of HEAVY music. See the playlists below. Stand tuned next week for another Space Rock show and the debut of The Electronic Cottage. Named after Hal McGee's late 80's/early 90's zine of the same name, this show will focus on all things electronic. We'll also have a new edition of Bret Hart's Hey, It's Your Ass! The newly reorganized Aural Innovations is ready. The alpha index has been broken down into individual letters of the alphabet, and we now have a What's New and NEWS section. I also broke down the Links page to put different sections on their own pages. Bookmark our News page for all the latest news from the indie world. And if there's a news item that should be there, be sure and email it to me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com and I'll get it up there. It's all accessible from Aural-Innovations.com Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #85): Strange Attractors Audio House Label Special Strange Attractors is located in Portland, OR, and has a fantastic and ever expanding roster of artists that cover a range of Space/Psychedelic/Acid Rock, Drone/Ambient, and all kinds of experimental and sound exploratory music. You can visit their web site at www.strange-attractors.com. SubArachnoid Space - "Burn Shot" (from Also Rising) Surface Of Eceyon - "Stolen Wind" (from Dragyyn) Landing - "Whirlwind" (from Fade In Fade Out EP) Alex Bundy - "Terrible" (from Planetarium Music: Traditional Psychedelic Electronic Music) Steffen Basho-Junghans - "Hear The Winds Coming" (from Rivers And Bridges) Cul de Sac - "The Dragonfly's Bright Eye" (from Immortality Lessons) Surface Of Eceyon - "The Grasshopper King" (from King Beneath The Mountain) Ampbuzz - "Welcome To The Ocean Floor" (from This Is My Ampbuzz) Landing - "Harmonies" (from Oceanless) Tsurubami - "Gekkyukekkaichi" (excerpt) (from Gekkyukekkaichi) Rebel Powers - "We Are For The Dark" (excerpt) (from Not One Star Will Stand The Night) The Atomic Bongload (show #1): General Playlist Gas Giant - "Dragon's Cave" (from Mana) The Glasspack - "Whiskey House" (from American Exhaust) Gravitron - "Stone Fox" (from The Dawning Of The Finite Moment Of Now) Blind Dog - "Follow The Fools" (from Captain Dog Rides Again) Gallery Of Mites - "X's For Eyes" (from Gallery Of Mites) The Satellite Circle - "Remedy" (from The Satellite Circle) Big Block Hitchcock - "Ghostrider" (from The Whiskey EP) Colour Haze - "I Won't Stop" (from Los Sounds De Krauts) Heavy Liquid - "Cosmic Center" (from Slag & The Dust) Mandragora - "Fixed Up High" (from Full Blown) Marshan - "Purple Demon Blues" (from Kings Thursday On The Friday Street) Hypnos 69 - "N.O. Mustang" (from Timeline Traveller) Hell Dwellers - "Push-O-Rama" (from Demo 2001) The Goddamned - "Devil Ride" (from Promo Sampler 2002) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. Also check out our mail order catalog for lots of Space Rock, Psychedelic and Electronic music CDs at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 10 14:58:20 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:58:20 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: arent they going to be reissued on voiceprint quite soon? I mean dave brocks first two solo ablums on flick knife? colm > Aren't you forgetting the flicknife Dave Brock? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colm McWilliams" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: Rare Cds > > > > as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage it > by > > how much they go for on ebay. > > > > 1. 25 years on > > 2. PXR5 > > 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) > > 4. QS+C (Virgin version) > > 5. Warrior (griffin version) > > > > cheers > > > > colm > > > > p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in > > swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. > > > > > > > > > Hej, > > > > > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare Hawkwind > > Cds > > > right now: > > > > > > 1. PXR5 > > > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time > > > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? > > > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > > > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > > > > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands > get > > > recorded for us who can't be there! > > > > > > scott > > > > > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband > > > > > > > > From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sun Aug 10 15:59:07 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:59:07 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds In-Reply-To: <000801c35f71$5dc4af20$0d736751@IRONDREAM> Message-ID: In article <000801c35f71$5dc4af20$0d736751 at IRONDREAM>, Colm McWilliams writes >arent they going to be reissued on voiceprint quite soon? I mean dave brocks >first two solo ablums on flick knife? > >colm They're already out, I got my copy yesterday. There was some concern a while back that they may have missed some tracks off, and looking at the Voiceprint website it seems that they have, but the tracklisting there is wrong. This is the full tracklisting (Exactly as listed on the back cover, complete with spelling mistakes) EARTHED TO THE GROUND 1 Earthed To Ground 2 Assassination 3 Green Fin Demon 4 Spirits 5 Sweet Obsession 6 Oscillations 7 Machine Dream 8 Now Is The Winter 9 On The Case 10 Rapeing Robots 11 Wired Up For Sound 12 Rideing The Range 12 Sleep of 1000 Tears 14 Social Alliance THE AGENTS OF CHAOS 1 Hi Tech Cities 2 A Day 3 In The Office 4 Hades Deep 5 Words Of A Song 6 Heads 7 Nocturne 8 Wastelands Of Sleep 9 Empty Dreams 10 Infinity 11 Mountain In The Sky Unsurprisingly, Calvert gets no credit for his lyrics to a couple of songs on Earthed To The Ground. I don't know why they didn't add Infinity (Bonus track) at the end, and I don't believe the Voiceprint website saying it features Lemmy - there is a bit of bass guitar on it, but it's nothing special and the track just sounds like a demo or alternative mix of the PXR5 version. I wish they hadn't put Wired Up For Sound on, it's almost embarrassingly bad - it's the early demo version of Earthed To The Ground. It sound like Mr Brock had no idea what the tune was going to be, and he seems to be singing almost random notes, mostly off-key. Sleep Of 1000 Tears seems to be another experiment/demo - vocals almost spoken over an electronic backing, and Rideing (sic) The Range is a short forgettable instrumental. Overall it's a good release, but with flaws - and I'm sure I can hear some surface noise in there, as if the source material was vinyl. >> Aren't you forgetting the flicknife Dave Brock? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Colm McWilliams" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:38 PM >> Subject: Re: Rare Cds >> >> >> > as i can see it these are the top five rare hawkwind cd's if you guage >it >> by >> > how much they go for on ebay. >> > >> > 1. 25 years on >> > 2. PXR5 >> > 3. Amzing Sounds (Vrigin version) >> > 4. QS+C (Virgin version) >> > 5. Warrior (griffin version) >> > >> > cheers >> > >> > colm >> > >> > p.s. i have QS+C (Virgin version) its theres if anyone is interested in >> > swapping amazing sounds (virgin) version for it. >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hej, >> > > >> > > I was wondering what people who say are the top five most rare >Hawkwind >> > Cds >> > > right now: >> > > >> > > 1. PXR5 >> > > 2. Warrrior on the Edge of Time >> > > 3. Love in Space Cd Single? >> > > 4. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >> > > 5. Quark, Strangeness and Charm >> > > >> > > Enjoy the Hawkfest.. I wish I could be there. I hope some of the bands >> get >> > > recorded for us who can't be there! >> > > >> > > scott >> > > >> > > ObCD- Terminal Wasteband >> > > >> > >> > >> -- David Blair From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 11 09:58:13 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:13 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest 2003 thoughts Message-ID: Well I thought that was the fantastic. The festival was excellently organised, just the right scale, good layout, plenty of space. I enjoyed my "veggie crap" from the cafe (sorry carnivores), they did well to keep the food going all weekend. And I was particularly impressed by the big inflatable phallic lighting system nearby. Beautiful part of the country too. I went on a 30 mile cycle ride on the Sat morning, nice scenery and FLAT! And did everybody notice the names of the 2 villages down the A6 from the site? "Brock" and "Barton"! Good omens there I think. Best non-HW music for me was Arthur Brown and Instant Flight, who played a superb set of 60s-style psychedelic pop on Friday night. Nice to see Arthur doing his flaming headset routine. Astonishing to think IF had never gigged with Arthur until then. Big Amongst Sheep were also pretty good. Didn't see much of the other bands, except some pretty indifferent stuff from Relentless and Little Big Men. Nice to see Dave joining Spacehead for a cracking version of Choose Your Masques, and then we were treated to one of the best HW performances I have ever seen. With Harvey's set featuring 6 other Hawks we effectively had more or less 3.5 hrs of HW music, and damn good it was too. Setlist for those interested - Harvey Bainbridge set (approx 8:30 - 9:45) ------------------------------------------ Coded Languages (w. DB/AD/RC/HLL) Waiting For Tomorrow - instrumental jam version (w. DB/RC/HLL/Dibs) Waiting For Tomorrow - with vocals this time! (w. DB/RC/HLL/Dibs) Mutation Zone (w. Martin Griffin & Dibs) Dreamworker... ...(sounded like) Stonehenge Decoded.... ...Freefall (I think HLL came back for Freefall but I can't remember) Hawkwind set (approx 9:45 - midnight) ------------------------------------- Arrival In Utopia Time Captives The Watcher Magnu Chronoglide Skyway The Right Stuff Wings Hurry On Sundown Brainbox Pollution Spirit of the Age Green Finned Demon Abducted Angela Android Assault & Battery The Golden Void Where Are They Now? Assassins of Allah Master of the Universe Particular memories and favourite moments - Dave telling us after Arrival... that our Utopia was here, one of the best versions of Magnu I've ever heard, Kris & Tone taking a well-deserved on-stage bow somewhere in that set, scary overheard projections of blokes jumping out of planes during Freefall, Dave bringing on a chair during Wings to sit on but pushing it away coz he just carried on standing up and thrashing that guitar for us (yeaaayy!), Dave taking the mick out of Simon for nipping off to the toilet before he was due to play Chronoglide Skyway, the Submarine Magician Returning To His Home for the first time in years, Where Are They Now? going from strength to strength and all 10 of them onstage at the end for an absolute belter of a version of Master of the Universe. Who needs Silver Machine eh? Spent Sunday loitering around the site chatting to other Hawkfans too numerous to list, waiting for our free CDs. Then went home early, just felt that any other music after that HW set would be just too much of an anti-climax. Hope those of you that stayed had a great Sunday night with the Levellers. The only gripe I can think of was that blasted dance tent - too loud and too often, Hawkestra foyer all over again IMHO. Thanks for the organisers for a great and very memorable event, well done, and thanks to all the people who took time to chat, it was great to meet you all. Let's hope we get another Hawkfest next year. AL ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Aug 11 12:23:17 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:23:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Message-ID: just a quick note to say hope that everyone has a safe journey home from the fest and thanks to all those who made it possible. hi to all of you who i met, too numerous to mention (you know who u are) and hopefully i will catch up with many of you again in the future. i should be posting some stuff on the museum web site in the near future so keep an eye out for that! all the best dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Aug 11 12:51:44 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:51:44 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest greetings from The U.S.A.!!! ( thinking of you all) D-Rider mp3 file 4U Message-ID: Could someone give this mp3 file a try and then e-mail me back burner on the status?? Peace, Mike >From: "Burro Mike" >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, >boc-l at listserv.spc.edu, cratylus7 at msn.com, dreamwind69 at hotmail.com, >drehner at head-cfa.harvard.edu, gsmithlang at aol.com, hchorstmann at aol.com, >headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk, jessingram57 at hotmail.com, jmp at monitor.net, >joretta4 at aol.com, jperkins at mailcity.com, kevin.com at btinternet.com, >MJsocial at aol.com, mramberg at ncb.com, nexus at panix.com, p-addison at t-online.de, >rancity at comcast.net, Rkotlarek@!aol.com, swheately at flowgaurd.com, >teahammers at cs.com, warrendavis180 at msn.com >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: Hawkfest greetings from The U.S.A.!!! ( thinking of you all) >D-Rider mp3 file 4U >Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:34:37 +0000 > >Hello friends! >On behalf of SLOTERDIJK, I'd like to say how we wish you all a great >Hawkfest!!! >We would be there if we could. In lieu of that, Maria & I have recorded a >version of D-Rider for any and all who'd like to listen to it. We're trying >to keep the spirit alive under difficult circumstances. >Cheers! and all the very best... Mike > >The tune can be accessed at http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com or >http://www.theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( It's the last song in the column >to the right ) > >D-Rider ( Turner ) > >Mike Burro: guitars, synths, vocals, production & engineering > >Dr. Maria Ramundo: bass, tambourine, backing vocals > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Aug 11 16:02:42 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:02:42 -0400 Subject: Rare Cds Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:59:07 +0100, David Blair wrote: >They're already out, I got my copy yesterday. There was some concern a >while back that they may have missed some tracks off, and looking at the >Voiceprint website it seems that they have, but the tracklisting there >is wrong. This is the full tracklisting (Exactly as listed on the back >cover, complete with spelling mistakes) > >EARTHED TO THE GROUND >1 Earthed To Ground >2 Assassination >3 Green Fin Demon >4 Spirits >5 Sweet Obsession >6 Oscillations >7 Machine Dream >8 Now Is The Winter >9 On The Case >10 Rapeing Robots >11 Wired Up For Sound >12 Rideing The Range >12 Sleep of 1000 Tears >14 Social Alliance > >THE AGENTS OF CHAOS >1 Hi Tech Cities >2 A Day >3 In The Office >4 Hades Deep >5 Words Of A Song >6 Heads >7 Nocturne >8 Wastelands Of Sleep >9 Empty Dreams >10 Infinity >11 Mountain In The Sky > Well, at least they added Social Alliance to disc 1. But it still looks like side 2 of AOC has been butchered. >Unsurprisingly, Calvert gets no credit for his lyrics to a couple of >songs on Earthed To The Ground. Which ones are those? I don't remember him having a hand in any of those tracks (not even GFD or OTC), but I could be wrong. Several of the AOC tracks should be credited to Crum though. >good release, but with flaws - and I'm sure I can hear >some surface noise in there, as if the source material was vinyl. I'm glad they at least put the material on there though. If the only way to do it was to transfer from vinyl, then Voiceprint wins points from me for doing so. Can't wait for my copy to arrive, so I can piss and moan about it from an informed position. And give credit where its due too, of course. Stephan From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Aug 11 16:06:41 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:06:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Hello, Thanks to all those involved in the organisation of Hawkfest 2003 - Last year was great but this was even better! The site was ideal and Hawkwind were amazing - what a line up! Dave was really on form blasting out the chords and solos and his voice is sounding better than ever. There's GOT to be a Hawkfest 2004! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 11 17:29:06 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:29:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: ....and thanks to all those of you who came along! It was indeed a very special weekend:). Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Crook" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkfest 2003 > Hello, > > Thanks to all those involved in the organisation of Hawkfest 2003 - Last year was great but this was even better! The site was ideal and Hawkwind were amazing - what a line up! Dave was really on form blasting out the chords and solos and his voice is sounding better than ever. There's GOT to be a Hawkfest 2004! > > Mick > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Aug 11 17:43:06 2003 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:43:06 +0100 Subject: Rare Cds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Stephan Forstner writes >On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:59:07 +0100, David Blair > wrote: >>Unsurprisingly, Calvert gets no credit for his lyrics to a couple of >>songs on Earthed To The Ground. > >Which ones are those? I don't remember him having a hand in any of those >tracks (not even GFD or OTC), but I could be wrong. Several of the AOC >tracks should be credited to Crum though. On The Case (From The Kid From Silicon Gulch) and Green Finned Demon - see http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/04_disco.html Personally I think the lyrics to the title track sound more like Calvert than Brock. -- David Blair From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 11 18:29:43 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:29:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest high back to humdrum Message-ID: Ah - was it only 3 days ago I struggled out the door with a large rucksack and tent? Today I struggled back in again and now, with the material reminders of a Festival scattered over the floor, tent drying in the spare room, two treasured unique CDs and some fantastic memories this is just to say thank you to Kris and to everyone who organised the weekend. There were: showers in cubicles (but remember to take your 20p in with you!) flushing toilets (and a special thank you to whoever went around replenishing the loo rolls whenever they ran out) a nice field to camp in with parking space and lots of room to spread out safely (no camp fires allowed though - for safety reasons), a huge field for all the entertainments including a completely roofed and enclosed marquee for the main Tent Stage (thank goodness - on a baking, broiling, seething hot Saturday afternoon the absolutely best place to be was sitting inside the cool of the tent listening to a Hawkwind soundcheck), as well as a Barn Stage (although the acoustics there meant the best place to listen was sitting at one of the tables outside the building - Tarantism ?spelling? sounded phenomenal from that position). There were clothing stalls (I forgot to take a sunhat but thankfully there was a splendid collection of hats to choose from when I went in search of one!), two large restaurant tents - one with tables, one with large carpets of coir matting to sit on (both selling vegetarian only - so hungry carnivors could be spotted peering at the menus trying to decide which vegetable dish most nearly resembled a meat meal). I have to say both the meals I tried were excellent - Thai curry, cauliflower and broccoli pakora - but some kind friends (thank you kind friends - you know who you are!) also fed me meat dishes on a couple of occasions. There were some other stalls, and even a Holistic Therapy Centre appeared and set up camp. Merrick and Julie's place was an oasis of calm (thank you both!). The childrens' play area was well-frequented (how on earth can kids play with such energy in that heat not to mention hard work for the adults supervising them!) and the only real irritant was the Rave place beat which was somewhat persistent and endless even though it was over at the far side of the field. Friday we got there latish (and I missed Mr. Quimby's Beard -curses) Saturday was intensely hot - though by 5pm it cooled a bit and I had a pleasant stroll around the network of public footpaths criscrossing the whole area, Sunday started with a thunderstorm which cleared to a very pleasant day - went for a pub lunch (and missed Mr Quimby's Beard again - I keep doing this??) and Monday started with another thunderstorm which was a good excuse for a leisurely departure after taking refuge in the Restaurant tent and eating a splendid cooked breakfast. Most people seemed to tidy up after them - neat piles of rubbish collected up at all the bin points and very little trash on the fields (perhaps due to the people with black bags I saw wandering around keeping it all under control). And - oh yes - there was some excellent music...... but I will let others talk about that - I just really enjoyed the Festival atmosphere - unhurried, friendly (loads of nice people to chat or just say hi to - and it was great to meet up with people from the list - and to see Arin and Rich again - good wishes to you and a safe journey home!). I'm sure the organisers had loads of hassle to cope with and vast amounts of problem solving to sort out but they must have done so because I had a fantastic relaxed time - and everyone I spoke to was having a great time as well, so I hope they did - eventually! So to Hawkwind, to all the organisers, and to everyone else (the stewards, the people who run around with wires connecting up things to other things, the laminators of plastic security passes, the tent builders - who were still dismantling it at 2.30am on Monday morning!) - not forgetting the yellow fairy complete with wings. Congratulations and thank you. It was a thoroughly enjoyable weekend. And now back to the humdrum business of earning enough money to get to the next one 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 11 19:11:46 2003 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:11:46 EDT Subject: Hawkfest and... stuff....... Message-ID: Well I finally made it home, and that's only because I'd been refused entry to a place I was going with some of my rufty tufty biker friends. Apparently I'm too casual in a HW vest to enter the place. Fuck 'em... if it wasn't for friends I wouldn't consider the place anyway. I'll post more sometime tomorrow, roght now though I have more hair than anyone wants to know about. Gotta say yhough, this is absolutely the best festival I have ever attended. I sincereley hope its held at the same venue next year. Dave, Kris, and anyone else involved in this. Make it happen again at the same place. It was amazing. Gotta go ... working 2mrow.... amd still screwed.... Steve. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 12 07:51:12 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:51:12 +0100 Subject: Iron Maiden Airlines Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,812005,00.html From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 12 10:09:07 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:09:07 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest 2003 thoughts In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?='s message of Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?= writes: > Well I thought that was the fantastic. The festival was excellently > organised, just the right scale, good layout, plenty of space. I > enjoyed my "veggie crap" from the cafe (sorry carnivores), they did > well to keep the food going all weekend. And I was particularly > impressed by the big inflatable phallic lighting system nearby. That light was the worst thing at the festival. It was an impure colour and it interfered with astronomical observation. I think a nice red filter is needed for next year and I plan to start sticking sweetie papers together now in preparation. A truly excellent festival though and thanks to everyone who worked so hard to make it that way. More detailed review to follow... FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Aug 12 15:46:10 2003 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:46:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Got back yesterday from Hawkfest a little too shattered to write anything much. What a wonderful weekend! Great weather, great music and good times. Great to see so many friends, old and new, and put some more faces to names. Building on last year's blueprint the organisation this was spot on things appeared to be running very smoothly. Soon after arriving I managed to catch an impromptu Spacehead rehearsal, the first time they'd played together since the Hawktour and Dibs had decided to drop a new song on everyone! Had a wander about and chatted and met a few more people before catching the end of a strong sounding set from Litmus and then Mr Quimby's Beard who delivered one of the best sets I've heard from them. Didn't catch too much of Tarantism as I was busy chatting outside the mainstage but what I could hear sounded pretty good. Big Amongst Sheep next I was hearing for the first time and really enjoyed. Following was a great set from Arthur and Instant Flight, difficult to believe that they'd not played together. The set featured a lovely version of 'Fire' (complete with flaming head-piece) and Arthur's showmanship shone through all the way (at one point mimicking the techno from the near by rave tent by dangling the mic to the floor and stomping about the stage). Over to the barn stage next to catch Little Big Men (Man?) with Richard, Steve Bemand and Keith K. Had to wait a fair while before they got started and unfortunately they hit the curfew after only about 30 minutes of playing. The set consisted of some pretty mellow techno with some nice guitar and synth floating over it. Not a million miles from the likes of Banco De Gaia Speaking to Richard later he explained that it was the first time he'd done this live and they'd had a few problems setting up and had been pretty nervous about. He also mentioned that this was to be his next big project and was hugely enthusiastic about the ideas he'd got planned for it. Maybe a support slot on the Hawktour later this year? After another scorching day the Moonloonies were the first act on the mainstage (though quite a few of us were lucky enough to have been around during Hawkwind's soundcheck and caught versions of Coded Languages, Magnu, Utopia and Green Finned Demon), featuring Agent of Chaos and some-time Hawk Crum. I'd been meaning to track down some of their stuff for a while and will certainly be making sure that I do now. A good opener to the Hawk evening. Relentless up next were certainly that. A bit like instrumental Anthrax is about the closest comparison I can draw, didn't seem to be to some people's taste but as it was quite a diversion from the spacerock that surrounded. Also it featured some the most irresponsible guitar playing I'd heard in a while. Kinda fun to see Martin get up and have a sing too. Managed to miss the beginning of Spacehead as I'd popped back to the tent to ready myself for the evening and got a bit distracted but I returned to find Dave and Keith K joining them for a cracking version of Quark (heavier, but much closer to the album version than the 90s version, which was pretty much a new track with the old words). The two Hawks stayed on stage for the rest of the set closing with Choose Your Masks. Next up we were expecting Harvey but got pretty much a full contingent of Hawks playing Coded Languages. This was followed by a relaxed set from Harvey joined variously by Huw (for Waiting for Tomorrow - two versions) and Dibs. The lightshow really started to kick in here and the footage of the sky-divers falling straight you (I was very near the front by this time and the screen was angled almost above me) was amazing and completely filled my field of vision - that'll be 6000Lu of video projector for you! Plenty of folk have commented on the HW set already, for me it was stunning. Everyone having a whale of a time and, as far as I was concerned, playing beautifully. I'd rather hear Alan than Dibs admittedly but this was a party for the band and crew as well and who's to begrudge Dibs and Keef getting to share a bit of the limelight after all the hard work they put in behind the scenes. For at least one song Keef was the only HW guitarist on stage - how's that for a fanboy fantasy come true! Could have done with more personnel on stage for Spirit of the Age, it did need some lead from somewhere be it Simon's keys or violin or guitar from Dave as on the tour. A good long set it was with welcome returns for tracks such as Utopia, Magnu and Green Finned Demon. Highlights were Hurry On Sundown, Brainbox Pollution, Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where Are They Now and Master of the Universe. The lights were, literally, stunning throughout. The aforementioned beast of a video projector accompanied by an arsenal of a dozen or so projectors/Optis with strobeflowers and strobes mounted at the stage. I did wander over to the barn afterwards to Catch Tribe of Cro. They seemed to be playing well but it was one of those HW performances after which other music seemed, well, irrelevant. Chilled for a while then hit the sack. Didn't catch much on Sunday until Alien Dream having had a trip to Garstang for lunch. I'd not heard any of Mike Blackman's own stuff before and was rather impressed, ably assisted as he was by Tom Byrne, some of whose own pieces were also played. Very enjoyable synth/guitar stuff. Assassins of Silence (Mk II) were up next. It's a pretty tall order for a HW tribute band to play a HW festival, especially after such a strong HW show but they played a pretty good set. New guitarist Kevin and the sax player seem to have slotted in well. Strong versions of Orgone Accumulator, Brainstorm, Demented Man (great vocals as ever from their drummer, Rob, here). The vocals on their version of Hurry On Sundown didn't quite come off though. Caught most of Bruise over on the mainstage next. Not bad but a bit poppy for my tastes, would've like to have heard their version of Silver Machine again though. The acoustic Levellers were up next and gave us a very entertaining 90 minutes or so of pumped up folk, complete with a couple of dancing Teletubbies! All in all a hugely enjoyable weekend and I didn't want to leave come Monday morning, and nice lunch in Garstang put off the event, but unfortunately reality beckons. Massive thanks all around to all those who made this possible and I do hope that the numbers were there to make next year a viable option (it looked pretty busy, but its so hard to tell). A big hello to all those I met and chatted to (too many to list). Great to finally meet and put more faces to names. Looking forward to Hawkfest 2004 already, lets make it happen! Nick From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Aug 12 17:40:16 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:40:16 -0400 Subject: Iron Maiden Airlines Message-ID: In case anyone cares, I caught the Motorhead-Dio-Iron Maiden show in Pittsburgh on Friday. Excellent. Lemmy and Phil were in fine form, and my non-Motorhead-fan friends were quite impressed with Mikkey's pounding. It was sad to see them open the evening, but Dio was good enough to almost make up for that. Maiden probably put on the best show. Our airline pilot Bruce Dickinson is still a bundle of energy, despite the haircut. --Nick From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 13 05:41:59 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:41:59 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest 2003 thoughts Message-ID: JMy thoughts for what thy're worth...I had a wonderful time with my highlight being ALL DAY SATURDAY!! Thanks so much for giving us HW nuts a real day to remember!! I was on cloud 99.9 watching the sound check which turned into several Utopias, "2 blinding coded languages (45-30rpm) oh blissful heaven!! Great people lots of fun The moon cafe was great! Please next year!! CDom quick!AL> >From: Alan Linsley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Hawkfest 2003 thoughts >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:13 +0100 > >Well I thought that was the fantastic. The festival was excellently >organised, just the right scale, good layout, plenty of space. I >enjoyed my "veggie crap" from the cafe (sorry carnivores), they did >well to keep the food going all weekend. And I was particularly >impressed by the big inflatable phallic lighting system nearby. > >Beautiful part of the country too. I went on a 30 mile cycle ride on >the Sat morning, nice scenery and FLAT! And did everybody notice the >names of the 2 villages down the A6 from the site? "Brock" and >"Barton"! Good omens there I think. > >Best non-HW music for me was Arthur Brown and Instant Flight, who >played a superb set of 60s-style psychedelic pop on Friday night. Nice >to see Arthur doing his flaming headset routine. Astonishing to think >IF had never gigged with Arthur until then. Big Amongst Sheep were >also pretty good. Didn't see much of the other bands, except some >pretty indifferent stuff from Relentless and Little Big Men. > >Nice to see Dave joining Spacehead for a cracking version of Choose >Your Masques, and then we were treated to one of the best HW >performances I have ever seen. With Harvey's set featuring 6 other >Hawks we effectively had more or less 3.5 hrs of HW music, and damn >good it was too. Setlist for those interested - > >Harvey Bainbridge set (approx 8:30 - 9:45) >------------------------------------------ >Coded Languages (w. DB/AD/RC/HLL) >Waiting For Tomorrow - instrumental jam version (w. DB/RC/HLL/Dibs) >Waiting For Tomorrow - with vocals this time! (w. DB/RC/HLL/Dibs) >Mutation Zone (w. Martin Griffin & Dibs) >Dreamworker... >...(sounded like) Stonehenge Decoded.... >...Freefall >(I think HLL came back for Freefall but I can't remember) > >Hawkwind set (approx 9:45 - midnight) >------------------------------------- >Arrival In Utopia >Time Captives >The Watcher >Magnu >Chronoglide Skyway >The Right Stuff >Wings >Hurry On Sundown >Brainbox Pollution >Spirit of the Age >Green Finned Demon >Abducted >Angela Android >Assault & Battery >The Golden Void >Where Are They Now? >Assassins of Allah >Master of the Universe > >Particular memories and favourite moments - >Dave telling us after Arrival... that our Utopia was here, one of the >best versions of Magnu I've ever heard, Kris & Tone taking a >well-deserved on-stage bow somewhere in that set, scary overheard >projections of blokes jumping out of planes during Freefall, Dave >bringing on a chair during Wings to sit on but pushing it away coz he >just carried on standing up and thrashing that guitar for us >(yeaaayy!), Dave taking the mick out of Simon for nipping off to the >toilet before he was due to play Chronoglide Skyway, the Submarine >Magician Returning To His Home for the first time in years, Where Are >They Now? going from strength to strength and all 10 of them onstage at >the end for an absolute belter of a version of Master of the Universe. >Who needs Silver Machine eh? > >Spent Sunday loitering around the site chatting to other Hawkfans too >numerous to list, waiting for our free CDs. Then went home early, just >felt that any other music after that HW set would be just too much of >an anti-climax. Hope those of you that stayed had a great Sunday night >with the Levellers. > >The only gripe I can think of was that blasted dance tent - too loud >and too often, Hawkestra foyer all over again IMHO. > >Thanks for the organisers for a great and very memorable event, well >done, and thanks to all the people who took time to chat, it was great >to meet you all. Let's hope we get another Hawkfest next year. > >AL > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 13 09:53:40 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Melkweg gig Message-ID: If anyone has decided to go to the Melkweg gig last minute like me, there are a load of people from the Yahoo HW group meeting in the Bulldog at Leidseplein at 8pm on Saturday and at 7pm on Sunday. Alastair. From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Aug 13 11:39:39 2003 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:39:39 +0100 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: Nick writes In case anyone cares, I caught the Motorhead-Dio-Iron Maiden show in Pittsburgh on Friday. Excellent. Oh....I'm jealous. Any chance of a longer review ? That gig is one I'd love to see tour the UK, but I suspect it won't. I caught Motorhead about a month ago, and they were on fine form then, possibly the best version of 'Metropolis' I've ever heard. 'Sacrifice' was also particularly good that night. Maiden at Donington this year were definitly the best band on the day, by quite some way. They opened with 'Number...' & just got better from there. Cheers Neil. Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44(0)1773 537000 From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Aug 13 12:39:14 2003 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:39:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <001301c3610a$61ad2410$cbec6b51@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: Greetings all How is it possible to express what a truly fabulous time we had at the Hawkfest. Just thinking about it makes me want to get up and jig about the room. All the bands I managed to see were great (well most of them anyhow) and the headliners were superb with Hawkwind playing and sounding better than I've heard them in ages. The atmosphere was friendly and relaxed and the whole thing was really well organised. Thanks to everyone who helped make it so special - bands, crew, crowd, security and especially the organisers. Even the bogs were good - I could still use them on Monday morning! Special thanks to Arthur Brown and Instant Flight for a brilliant psychedelic 60's set (Kites - wow!) on the Friday night. The last time I saw Arthur with a Fire helmet was at Weeley in 1971. I hope Arthur's at the next one and does some of the earlier Kingdom Come numbers - the whole of Galactic Zoo Dossier please. :^) I can't think why anyone wouldn't like Hawkwind's set 'cos they were really on top form (thanks to Allen Linsley for the set list) and totally blew me away. AD seemed to be having a fun time with his head as well - Clint Eastwood eh!?! The sound and light crew did a brilliant job - crystal clear sound and megatrippy lightshow. Roll on Hawkfest 2004 - sell me a ticket NOW! Horse From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Aug 13 13:04:09 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:04:09 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest Message-ID: A big thanks to all involved... what a great weekend. Arthur Brown was excellent on the Friday, and Hawkwind reached numerous moments of utter brilliance on the saturday! It's just never enough! Highlights were The Right Stuff... it just shot up in the stratosphere after the fairly ambient Chronoglide Skyway (which I don't remember even recognising! Hmm), Where Are They Now... a true joy to hear... and of course Assault & Battery/Golden Void. Great lightshow too... Perhaps I would prefer less "guests"... it's HW I really wanna see. And gotta say, FreeFall in Harvey's set was very entertaining in a "they're all really really lost" kinda way! We'll just say it was avante-garde eh?! Really cool atmosphere (everything else was HOT!)... lovely food - carnivores, it's only three days! Do you object to eating vegetables or something?!! ;-) Personally I'm GLAD the handful of complaints last year didn't result in the sickly smell of cooking flesh wafting over the site. The six of us that came down from Scotland all agreed on this point... so please give the veggies a break... you meat-eaters get it your way the rest of the time! :-) Solar Powered veggie cafe yes please! Stinking burger vans... no thanks! Ice slush drinks on boiling hot days is something I hope we can all agree on though!! Pity about the no fires, no barbecues, no candles thing... fires I can understand, disposable bbq's leaving loads of burnt bits on the grass I can pretty much understand, but candles? Still, I s'pose that's the price that has be paid for having facilities like showers etc. Being able to cook would be very handy though (all my horrible, disgusting vegetables had to come home with me). And indeed the Big Bulb did infringe somewhat on the star-gazing activity... I'll start sticking together red sweety wrappers for next year too I think. Either that or start work now on the Big Lampshade. For the night-vision impaired no doubt it was a godsend though. All in all, a really excellent time was had... I get to go to these type of things so rarely now with most of the free festies up here disappearing years ago. It did indeed recreate the atmosphere of festivals of old (as the aim was stated on the website)... a definite success. Here's to next year! Guaranteed we'll all be back! (cue collective groan from those camped near us that had to listen to the incessant pish we talked! Sorry!). So thanks to the Hawks, everyone involved with the running of it, and everyone that turned up and had a great time. Roll on 2004... Dave PS. I'd like to say extra special thanks on behalf of my friend Mikie to WILLIAM FYFE who was good enough to hand in the cash he'd left behind after having a shower. What a guy! If you read this William (or if anyone knows him) please get in touch. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Aug 13 17:16:24 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:16:24 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: Sadly, I didn't really watch the show with a critical enough eye to really give the type of review you're probably used to on this site. I can't even remember whole set lists or anything like that. But here are a few observations: Motorhead was supremely tight, excellent show. Nothing off "Hammered", interestingly enough. But "Sacrifice", complete with a Mikkey Dee drum solo, was quite amazing. One song I sort of questioned was "Shoot You in the Back", but mainly because I happen to like Motorhead's post-"Orgasmatron" output better than the stuff that came before. Lemmy and the boys played about 40 minutes of no-frills rock and roll, and they played it as bad-ass as I've ever seen them play it. Dio was okay. The set definitely got better as it went along. He did "Heaven and Hell" and the "Mob Rules" from Sabbath, but no Rainbow. . . not even "Man on the Silver Mountain", which was strange. Dio had one "prop". . . some mannequin chick with a hideous face. He brought her out and sang to her during "Heaven and Hell", that little part where he goes, "There's a big black shape looking up at me, etc." My favorite set was Motorhead, but I have to admit, Iron Maiden put on the best show. As best as I could hear, Bruce Dickinson was hitting all the high notes he attempted, and the band was about as tight as a band can be live. We actually left a few minutes before the show ended, so I don't know how they brought it to a close, but I did see two Eddies. They had a walking one. . . one of those lumbering guys on stilts with the arms that only move below the elbows. It's a lot cheesier when you're in your 30s, I can tell you. A big Eddie also came up from behind the drum riser. His head came off and a brain was inserted. Also, during the opening song, "Number of the Beast", they had a "666" in lightbulbs up behind the drums. Whenever he said "666", they lit up, and they were BRIGHT. You actually couldn't look right into 'em. I only heard two non-Dickinson songs. One being "Iron Maiden". The other, surprisngly, was a song that I think came from the period when Dickinson left and that Blayze guy took over. The song was called "The Clansman". When he intro'd it, Bruce talked about how it was about being your own person and not following the crowd. He made some crack about people who "listen to 'N Sync instead of Motorhead", for which he received much love from the audience. Bruce also lit into (pun intended) the pot smokers, saying the smoke "fucks with my voice", and wondering which side of the stage he should stand at to avoid it. He was not kind to those who were toking up, which is a risky move, given the crowd this type of show attracts. I wish I could have been more specific for you. If I think of anything else of note, I'll pass it along. --Nick From gg at NINJANET.COM Thu Aug 14 05:09:23 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:09:23 +0200 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) In-Reply-To: <200308132116.RAA45819@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: nick wrote: > I only heard two non-Dickinson songs. One being "Iron Maiden". The > other, surprisngly, was a song that I think came from the period > when Dickinson left and that Blayze guy took over. The song was > called "The Clansman". right, they always play it. No Running free with singalong or Sanctuary?? ciao, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Aug 14 05:11:54 2003 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:11:54 +0100 Subject: Off: HaWkFest Message-ID: Take me back to the war^H^H fest I survived..... What a weekend! - magnificent in all ways.. well organised/executed. Getting in & setting up the tent was painless (no queues), campsite easy to find from the map provided. I didn't have to cue once for the toilets which as people have mentioned were ample, cleaned & always provisioned. The showers were fine and their presence re- assuring even if you didn't use them. The beer/wine/food was cheap, the 'outlets friendly/well staffed. It was re-assuring to glance in the purse on saturday night and see that I still had plenty of money to spend within the budget before monday !! The bands - what to say - i was asked on saturday wether I had attended the festival to see Hawkwind or for the general ambience/feel of the festival. Initially I admit I had only one goal in mind & that was to see HW play again but I soooo much enjoyed the other bands that played & the whole friendliness/atmosphere of the event that I must admit if I attended again: HW might be the icing on the cake again but the rest of the bands & ambience of the festival would also be an attraction. I saw nearly all of the bands on the friday night but ommited to note what they were called on hard copy (believeing my memory of the event would hold up?) - wrong!! Can anyone supply a list of the bands that played on friday night in the Barn & recommend any CD's from the artists involved? I'd especially like a recommendation for any Dr Hasbeen cd titles that might be worth getting..... and as aforementioned can anyone else fill me in on who else played on that evening in the barn.? I can only agree with all of the other folks who have posted post-fest that Hawkwind played a blinding set... and a varied one to boot.... the lightshow was excellent too. I concur with soemone's comment that it took them a little while to 'warm up' into the night (still t'was nice to the hear 'Arrival in Utopia' live) ...but once they were off (I think around 'Wings'?) there was no let up in intensity. highlights included the privilege of having Hw on practically all day saturday .. favorite track of the night 'Brainbox Pollution'. I reckon even tho' it didn't rain that the 'marquee' style tent worked better for the event - the acoustics (over the dome-open tent)were better and also by pressing everybody into a smaller space made for a more intimate atmosphere. (Felt a bit lost in the field in Devon!) I didn't expect to enjoy Aurthur Browns solo set (not really knowing any of his solo material beyond 'FIRE' but - WOW - bloody good entertainment. I would agree that you probably couldn't get a better site than the Preston one - but I think the notion of moving the festival around the country is a good one - I met several folks from 'oop north' who said they had missed the previous year due to travel difficulties/distance so maybe an alternating location North/South - Midlands would be the best option. Roll on next year... Maxine From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 14 06:11:11 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:11:11 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkfest2003 Message-ID: **Sorry to anyone that gets this twice... forgot the HW prefix in subject line when I posted yesterday** A big thanks to all involved... what a great weekend. Arthur Brown was excellent on the Friday, and Hawkwind reached numerous moments of utter brilliance on the saturday! It's just never enough! Highlights were The Right Stuff... it just shot up in the stratosphere after the fairly ambient Chronoglide Skyway (which I don't remember even recognising! Hmm), Where Are They Now... a true joy to hear... and of course Assault & Battery/Golden Void. Great lightshow too... Perhaps I would prefer less "guests"... it's HW I really wanna see. And gotta say, FreeFall in Harvey's set was very entertaining in a "they're all really really lost" kinda way! We'll just say it was avante-garde eh?! Really cool atmosphere (everything else was HOT!)... lovely food - carnivores, it's only three days! Do you object to eating vegetables or something?!! ;-) Personally I'm GLAD the handful of complaints last year didn't result in the sickly smell of cooking flesh wafting over the site. The six of us that came down from Scotland all agreed on this point... so please give the veggies a break... you meat-eaters get it your way the rest of the time! :-) Solar Powered veggie cafe yes please! Stinking burger vans... no thanks! Ice slush drinks on boiling hot days is something I hope we can all agree on though!! Pity about the no fires, no barbecues, no candles thing... fires I can understand, disposable bbq's leaving loads of burnt bits on the grass I can pretty much understand, but candles? Still, I s'pose that's the price that has be paid for having facilities like showers etc. Being able to cook would be very handy though (all my horrible, disgusting vegetables had to come home with me). And indeed the Big Bulb did infringe somewhat on the star-gazing activity... I'll start sticking together red sweety wrappers for next year too I think. Either that or start work now on the Big Lampshade. For the night-vision "impaired" no doubt it was a godsend though. All in all, a really excellent time was had... I get to go to these type of things so rarely now with most of the free festies up here disappearing years ago. It did indeed recreate the atmosphere of festivals of old (as the aim was stated on the website)... a definite success. Here's to next year! Guaranteed we'll all be back! (cue collective groan from those camped near us that had to listen to the incessant pish we talked! Sorry!). So thanks to the Hawks, everyone involved with the running of it, and everyone that turned up and had a great time. Roll on 2004... Dave PS. I'd like to say extra special thanks on behalf of my friend Mikie to WILLIAM FYFE who was good enough to hand in the cash he'd left behind after having a shower. What a guy! If you read this William (or if anyone knows him) please get in touch. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 14 06:53:19 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:53:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:04:09 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > A big thanks to all involved... what a great weekend. Arthur Brown was > excellent on the Friday, and Hawkwind reached numerous moments of utter > brilliance on the saturday! It's just never enough! Highlights were The > Right Stuff... it just shot up in the stratosphere after the fairly ambient > Chronoglide Skyway (which I don't remember even recognising! Hmm), Where > Are They Now... a true joy to hear... and of course Assault & > Battery/Golden Void. Great lightshow too... Perhaps I would prefer less > "guests"... it's HW I really wanna see. No! NO! We need more Barton! > Really cool atmosphere (everything else was HOT!)... lovely food - > carnivores, it's only three days! Do you object to eating vegetables or > something?!! It's illegal for us Scots. > Pity about the no fires, no barbecues, no candles thing... fires I can > understand, disposable bbq's leaving loads of burnt bits on the grass I can > pretty much understand Come on. Stick 'em on the box they came in and they're off the grass. Also, if it had gotten as cold as 2002 then we'd have at least needed a couple of big communal fires to get warm. What's with all this yank safety-nazi stuff? Can't we all just sign waivers saying that if we burn ourselves then it's our own fault? Is there a lawyer in the house? > but candles? Yep, stupidity. > Still, I s'pose that's the price that > has be paid for having facilities like showers etc. Being able to cook > would be very handy though (all my horrible, disgusting vegetables had to > come home with me). Can't you just plant them or something? > And indeed the Big Bulb did infringe somewhat on the star-gazing > activity... I'll start sticking together red sweety wrappers for next year > too I think. Either that or start work now on the Big Lampshade. For the > night-vision impaired no doubt it was a godsend though. Apart from the astronomy thing (and I'll admit that my wont for spotting Iridium flares and the space station makes me perhaps a little bit special but then again, Mars is at its brightest for 60,000 years) I hate people not considering the aesthetics of lighting at festivals. Take Glasters: people go to a lot of effort to put up all sorts of nice coloured lights and light displays to turn it into a big fairyland at night and then they put those huge diesel powered white lamposts along the Old Railway and ruin the whole effect. OK, we didn't have a huge coloured light display, though I liked the mushrooms and they could have been better positioned for effect, but a huge white light is still not the right way to go. Red's pretty good for seeing at night and maintaining night vision. But OK, I'm being picky and I enjoyed the whole experience as much as anyone. Everything really worked well and the rave tent would have been fine if it'd been over by the river or somewhere else well away from the stages. > All in all, a really excellent time was had... I get to go to these type of > things so rarely now with most of the free festies up here disappearing > years ago. It did indeed recreate the atmosphere of festivals of old (as > the aim was stated on the website)... a definite success. Here's to next > year! Guaranteed we'll all be back! (cue collective groan from those camped > near us that had to listen to the incessant pish we talked! Sorry!). That was you?? I thought I was just thinking out loud. > So thanks to the Hawks, everyone involved with the running of it, and > everyone that turned up and had a great time. Roll on 2004... Seconded. FoFP From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Thu Aug 14 09:15:00 2003 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:15:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Message-ID: Just commenting on people's observations of Huw at Hawkfest 2003. Yes, he's poorly. He's got hypoglycaemia, which is quite debilitating (i.e. lack of blood sugar) and in Marion's words is 'very fragile these days. He broke his arm again a few months ago and has only just started playing again'. People here may also know that he lost a daughter earlier this year, so he's not having a very good one 8-( Huw will be doing his usual solo afternoon gig at Elder Stubbs festival on 16th August in Oxford (benefit for mental health charity 'Restore'). ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 14 10:58:31 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:58:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: I can't say too much about the Hawkfest because I promised Starfarer that I'd write a little review. Once again that was the highlight of my year, as much for the social atmosphere as for the music. For days I'm on a real high after this festival before I get absorbed back into the work-a-day world. On arrival back in London I watched people coming home after work looking tired, caught up in their usual habits and moods. I watched the news and all the usual crap that people argue about just seemed trivial. Hawkwind played a blinding set with loads of energy this year. Best bits for me were seeing Arthur Brown with his costumes and props doing Time Captives, I love that song, and the Right Stuff which was electric. I'll say hello to everyone I saw there. Steve Starfarer for driving us up there, Stephe Lindas who came over from the US, Dave from the Hawkwind Museum, Engineer Benny, Alan and Andrea, the Nederlanders, California (anyone else meet this guy?), Maxine Wesley, Jim Mountjoy who did the Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack artwork and anyone else. Thanks to everyone who worked there. I feel like I should have made more use somehow of just 3 days of enjoyment. This festival is a gem of personal freedom when many other festivals/gatherings are completely infiltrated by commercial interests. Please organise another one another one next year. Alastair. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Aug 14 12:09:38 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:09:38 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: AS declares... >I can't say too much about the Hawkfest because I promised Starfarer that >I'd write a little review. Ditto me, for AI. But what an amazing lineup of talent over the three days. Worth putting up with the fickle weather and lack of food variety. :) Thanks to all who helped with my (and others?) travel connections. It really all went quite well, and going home that hour early saved me from missing my flight, given that the the train was slowed 40 minutes for some unknown reason (not because they didn't announce it, but rather because I couldn't understand what the heck he was saying, and he wasn't even a Geordie). :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. 'Surprise' band of the fest was the amazing performance by Afresco Mantis, the surprise being mostly that they were never on the bill to begin with, but had their instruments ready to go once a spot was available in the barn. P.P.S. Unfortunate (for me) was missing Martyn 'Doc Hasbeen' Needham in the barn just 'cause I didn't know music was starting over there so early (I thought it was a 'late night' thing only)...but thanks to whoever it was who pointed this oversight to me....I missed nobody else except PXR1 I guess (who unbelievably was put on at the same time as Hawkwind...that was kinda stupid...somebody should have thought a second longer and left the barn 'dark' for those three hours at least). Somebody remind me again who PXR1 is/are (knowing only the one track from Elf & Hawk), and if and how they fit into the Krel/Spacehead family tree, which may or may not be the case. P.P.P.S. OFF-topic wandering: Can anybody explain the logic behind the alphabet-shuffling of the CA guv'ner ballot, and how it makes it more 'fair' if they randomi(s/z)e it beforehand (rather than just ABC...)? Doesn't it just *change* who gets the 5% boost at the top of the list rather than eliminate the bias? What, were they afraid that candidates were going to start changing their legal names to "Joe Aardvark" or "AAA Heating and Cooling"? Maybe I'm stupid, but I would have thought that printing an equal number of ballots with *each* of the candidates listed at the top would have made the most sense. Although now with 6000 candidates (or whatever it is) for one stupid election, the printing costs would start to get extreme, now wouldn't they? Anyway, in this crazy world where people are looking to organized religions (of all things) to figure out whether it's 'OK' or not to be homosexual, I guess very little makes any sense anymore. At least we in the scientific world (and I speak for most of 'us') :) don't look to religious leaders anymore to determine whether the Earth is revolving around the sun, or vice versa. Oh yeah, and how 'bout that Marsrise at Hawkfest? Just wait until the upcoming New Moon. Almost close enough to have HF'04 there, yeah? Who has the Martian Shuttle schedule handy? I'd better start to work out my travel now! P.P.P.P.S. Tuesday it was 41.5 C (107 F) here in der Schweiz, not only an all-time record for the country, but by 2.5 damn degrees C (~4F)! "Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the earth too hot to bear." (You didn't hear *me* say that now...I'm just quoting!) :) Plus, 'smoke' causes cooling if you wanna really be picky. P.P.P.P.P.S. Not such a short email after all. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 14 12:48:11 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:48:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: Henderson Keith's message of Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:09:38 +0200 Message-ID: Henderson Keith writes: PXR1: yeah, strange to put them on at the same time as Hawkwind. Someone would have to be very pointedly annoyed at Hawkwind to go and see a cover band 50 yards away while they were playing. Did this also mean that the PXR1 guys missed the Hawkwiwnd gig? > P.P.P.S. OFF-topic wandering: Can anybody explain the logic behind > the alphabet-shuffling of the CA guv'ner ballot, and how it makes it > more 'fair' if they randomi(s/z)e it beforehand (rather than just ABC...)? > Doesn't it just *change* who gets the 5% boost at the top of the list > rather than eliminate the bias? I'm a little more cynical perhaps but I suspect that the thinking was that Gray Davis might poll few enough votes that if a Mr. AAAAArdvark consistently got the Lazy Bonus then Davis might be out just by dint of that. Varying the ballots helps prevent this. > What, were they afraid that candidates were > going to start changing their legal names to "Joe Aardvark" or "AAA Heating > and Cooling"? Maybe I'm stupid, but I would have thought that printing > an equal number of ballots with *each* of the candidates listed at the top > would have made the most sense. Although now with 6000 candidates (or > whatever it is) for one stupid election, the printing costs would start > to get extreme, now wouldn't they? Indeed. Note though that however much this election is going to cost the taxpayers, it's going to be trivial compared to the costs of the California bonds downrating due to the fiscal mess, and the ultimate costs of the screwed up elecktrickery deregulation (you can't fix what someone charges and leave open-ended what their suppliers charge them without there being a very obvious failure mode) will probably dwarf even that. > Anyway, in this crazy world where > people are looking to organized religions (of all things) to figure out > whether it's 'OK' or not to be homosexual If 100 years I fully expect whatever rump is left of christianity to be heatedly arguing about whether an android can be a Bishop. If their arguments weren't so pointless, I'd join just for the recreation of 'em. > Oh yeah, and how > 'bout that Marsrise at Hawkfest? Just wait until the upcoming New Moon. > Almost close enough to have HF'04 there, yeah? Waves of red sand cover the lakes but Hawkfest Four's on Mars Album covers make the same mistakes but Hawkfest Four's on Mars And everyone here is gonna eat hash cakes But Hawfest Four's on Mars It's on Mars. Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the tent to hot to bear There might be some dessert soon but Arthur left and took the spoon Hawkfest Four's on Mars It's on Mars They're gigging for dreams on the red sand We've got our tickets and shades in our left hand They're gigging for dreams We're looking at lights We've got Crum on jamming and wine afterwards And thunderstorms on Sunday We've got our pipes and the stars And Hawkfest Four's on Mars From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Aug 14 15:04:15 2003 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:04:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 In-Reply-To: <200308141648.h7EGmBlv008709@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: ROTFLMAO!!! Most excellent, Mr. Holmes, MOST excellent!! Ship -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:48 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Waves of red sand cover the lakes but Hawkfest Four's on Mars Album covers make the same mistakes but Hawkfest Four's on Mars And everyone here is gonna eat hash cakes But Hawfest Four's on Mars It's on Mars. Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the tent to hot to bear There might be some dessert soon but Arthur left and took the spoon Hawkfest Four's on Mars It's on Mars They're gigging for dreams on the red sand We've got our tickets and shades in our left hand They're gigging for dreams We're looking at lights We've got Crum on jamming and wine afterwards And thunderstorms on Sunday We've got our pipes and the stars And Hawkfest Four's on Mars From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 14 16:03:22 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:03:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: Yes - I spoke to Phil of PXR-1 and he personally thanked the 30 or so people who turned up to watch them. He said that he wasn;t displeased with the way things went and was actually grateful that Hawkwind started late so it meant the band could actually catch the last half hour of hawkwind's set. He was also pleased at the people who came in just to say hi even tho Hawkwind were playing. So, even tho' I missed it all,I reckon sympathy vote of the weekend goes to PXR-1. But there will be some great music of theirs to follow soon. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkfest 2003 > Henderson Keith writes: > > PXR1: yeah, strange to put them on at the same time as Hawkwind. > Someone would have to be very pointedly annoyed at Hawkwind to go and > see a cover band 50 yards away while they were playing. Did this also > mean that the PXR1 guys missed the Hawkwiwnd gig? > > > P.P.P.S. OFF-topic wandering: Can anybody explain the logic behind > > the alphabet-shuffling of the CA guv'ner ballot, and how it makes it > > more 'fair' if they randomi(s/z)e it beforehand (rather than just ABC...)? > > Doesn't it just *change* who gets the 5% boost at the top of the list > > rather than eliminate the bias? > > I'm a little more cynical perhaps but I suspect that the thinking was > that Gray Davis might poll few enough votes that if a Mr. AAAAArdvark > consistently got the Lazy Bonus then Davis might be out just by dint of > that. Varying the ballots helps prevent this. > > > What, were they afraid that candidates were > > going to start changing their legal names to "Joe Aardvark" or "AAA Heating > > and Cooling"? Maybe I'm stupid, but I would have thought that printing > > an equal number of ballots with *each* of the candidates listed at the top > > would have made the most sense. Although now with 6000 candidates (or > > whatever it is) for one stupid election, the printing costs would start > > to get extreme, now wouldn't they? > > Indeed. Note though that however much this election is going to cost the > taxpayers, it's going to be trivial compared to the costs of the > California bonds downrating due to the fiscal mess, and the ultimate > costs of the screwed up elecktrickery deregulation (you can't fix what > someone charges and leave open-ended what their suppliers charge them > without there being a very obvious failure mode) will probably dwarf > even that. > > > Anyway, in this crazy world where > > people are looking to organized religions (of all things) to figure out > > whether it's 'OK' or not to be homosexual > > If 100 years I fully expect whatever rump is left of christianity to be > heatedly arguing about whether an android can be a Bishop. If their > arguments weren't so pointless, I'd join just for the recreation of 'em. > > > Oh yeah, and how > > 'bout that Marsrise at Hawkfest? Just wait until the upcoming New Moon. > > Almost close enough to have HF'04 there, yeah? > > > > > Waves of red sand cover the lakes > but Hawkfest Four's on Mars > Album covers make the same mistakes > but Hawkfest Four's on Mars > And everyone here is gonna eat hash cakes > But Hawfest Four's on Mars > > It's on Mars. > > Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the tent to hot to bear > There might be some dessert soon but Arthur left and took the spoon > > Hawkfest Four's on Mars > It's on Mars > > They're gigging for dreams on the red sand > We've got our tickets and shades in our left hand > They're gigging for dreams > We're looking at lights > > We've got Crum on jamming and wine afterwards > And thunderstorms on Sunday > We've got our pipes and the stars > > And Hawkfest Four's on Mars From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Aug 14 16:07:00 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:07:00 +0100 Subject: HaWkFest Message-ID: Dr Hasbeen - the best place to start is the brand new studio album "The Alien Within" which is just awesome and features two Hawkwind covers. After that it's "powered by beer" and "time gauntlet", then four more if ya that way inclined. Great talent - great music. (oh and I suppose i'd better say - every single one available from CD Services) Andy G. agcdser at aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: Off: HaWkFest > Take me back to the war^H^H fest I survived..... > > What a weekend! - magnificent in all ways.. well organised/executed. > > Getting in & setting up the tent was painless (no queues), campsite > easy to find from the map provided. I didn't have to cue once for the > toilets which as people have mentioned were ample, cleaned & > always provisioned. The showers were fine and their presence re- > assuring even if you didn't use them. The beer/wine/food was cheap, > the 'outlets friendly/well staffed. It was re-assuring to glance in the > purse on saturday night and see that I still had plenty of money to > spend within the budget before monday !! > > The bands - what to say - i was asked on saturday wether I had > attended the festival to see Hawkwind or for the general > ambience/feel of the festival. Initially I admit I had only one goal in > mind & that was to see HW play again but I soooo much enjoyed the > other bands that played & the whole friendliness/atmosphere of the > event that I must admit if I attended again: HW might be the icing on > the cake again but the rest of the bands & ambience of the festival > would also be an attraction. > > I saw nearly all of the bands on the friday night but ommited to note > what they were called on hard copy (believeing my memory of the > event would hold up?) - wrong!! Can anyone supply a list of the bands > that played on friday night in the Barn & recommend any CD's from > the artists involved? I'd especially like a recommendation for any Dr > Hasbeen cd titles that might be worth getting..... and as > aforementioned can anyone else fill me in on who else played on that > evening in the barn.? > > I can only agree with all of the other folks who have posted post-fest > that Hawkwind played a blinding set... and a varied one to boot.... the > lightshow was excellent too. I concur with soemone's comment that it > took them a little while to 'warm up' into the night (still t'was nice to the > hear 'Arrival in Utopia' live) ...but once they were off (I think around > 'Wings'?) there was no let up in intensity. highlights included the > privilege of having Hw on practically all day saturday .. favorite track of > the night 'Brainbox Pollution'. > > I reckon even tho' it didn't rain that the 'marquee' style tent worked > better for the event - the acoustics (over the dome-open tent)were > better and also by pressing everybody into a smaller space made for a > more intimate atmosphere. (Felt a bit lost in the field in Devon!) > > I didn't expect to enjoy Aurthur Browns solo set (not really knowing > any of his solo material beyond 'FIRE' but - WOW - bloody good > entertainment. > > I would agree that you probably couldn't get a better site than the > Preston one - but I think the notion of moving the festival around the > country is a good one - I met several folks from 'oop north' who said > they had missed the previous year due to travel difficulties/distance so > maybe an alternating location North/South - Midlands would be the > best option. > > Roll on next year... > > Maxine From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Aug 15 02:37:47 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:37:47 +0200 Subject: Amsterdam Melkweg gig Message-ID: Ok,count me in. How do we recognize each other? And upstairs or downstairs the bulldog (downstairs may be tricky as you won't recognize anyone after being down there for an hour ;-)) greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: HW: Amsterdam Melkweg gig > If anyone has decided to go to the Melkweg gig last minute like me, there > are a load of people from the Yahoo HW group meeting in the Bulldog at > Leidseplein at 8pm on Saturday and at 7pm on Sunday. > > Alastair. > > From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Aug 14 22:16:44 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:16:44 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: I left a little before the show ended. Actually during "Iron Maiden". So if "Running Free" came after, I missed it. --Nick >right, they always play it. No Running free with >singalong or >Sanctuary?? > >ciao, gg > > > >-- >www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine >www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 04:50:10 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:50:10 -0400 Subject: Amsterdam Melkweg gig Message-ID: I guess just look for Hawkwind T-Shirts and people talking about Hawkwind. I can't make it for 8pm on the Saturday anyway, but I know one guy so I will look for him when I get into town about 9pm or so. Alastair. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:37:47 +0200, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: >Ok,count me in. >How do we recognize each other? >And upstairs or downstairs the bulldog (downstairs may be tricky as you >won't recognize anyone after being down there for an hour ;-)) > >greetings >filip hawknut > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alastair" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:53 PM >Subject: HW: Amsterdam Melkweg gig > > >> If anyone has decided to go to the Melkweg gig last minute like me, there >> are a load of people from the Yahoo HW group meeting in the Bulldog at >> Leidseplein at 8pm on Saturday and at 7pm on Sunday. >> >> Alastair. >> >> From mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM Fri Aug 15 05:29:15 2003 From: mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:29:15 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 14 Aug 2003 to 15 Aug 2003 (#2003-68) In-Reply-To: <200308150900.h7F6jcoQ000267@ns1.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Cheers Andy, saved me looking up the rest of the release list anyway. If anybody is at all interested we will be at the Run To The Sun 2003 playing on the Sat night, and here for your delectation is a link http://www.ribcrackers.co.uk I was a tad miffed at not being able to make it to the 'fest as the missus had got tickets for Summer Sundae at Leicester De Montfort. Never mind though, there will be a 2004 I hope... Judging by the most excellent reviews I missed a stonking weekend. And now we return to lurking in the background ostensibly working. Mark (Hasbeen). > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:07:00 +0100 > From: Andrew Garibaldi > Subject: Re: HaWkFest > > Dr Hasbeen - the best place to start is the brand new studio album "The > Alien Within" which is just awesome and features two Hawkwind > covers. After > that it's "powered by beer" and "time gauntlet", then four more if ya that > way inclined. Great talent - great music. (oh and I suppose i'd > better say - > every single one available from CD Services) > Andy G. > agcdser at aol.com > From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 08:18:03 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:18:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: WELL WELL WELL!!! WHAT CAN ONE SAY ABOUT OUR LOVELY FESTIVAL. LOTS OF YOU HAVE SAID LOTS SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS -BRING ON HAWKFEST 2004!! >From: Nick Lee >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:46:10 +0100 > >Got back yesterday from Hawkfest a little too shattered to write >anything much. > >What a wonderful weekend! Great weather, great music and good times. >Great to see so many friends, old and new, and put some more faces to >names. >Building on last year's blueprint the organisation this was spot on >things appeared to be running very smoothly. > >Soon after arriving I managed to catch an impromptu Spacehead rehearsal, >the first time they'd played together since the Hawktour and Dibs had >decided to drop a new song on everyone! Had a wander about and chatted >and met a few more people before catching the end of a strong sounding >set from Litmus and then Mr Quimby's Beard who delivered one of the best >sets I've heard from them. Didn't catch too much of Tarantism as I was >busy chatting outside the mainstage but what I could hear sounded pretty >good. Big Amongst Sheep next I was hearing for the first time and >really enjoyed. Following was a great set from Arthur and Instant >Flight, difficult to believe that they'd not played together. The set >featured a lovely version of 'Fire' (complete with flaming head-piece) >and Arthur's showmanship shone through all the way (at one point >mimicking the techno from the near by rave tent by dangling the mic to >the floor and stomping about the stage). >Over to the barn stage next to catch Little Big Men (Man?) with Richard, >Steve Bemand and Keith K. Had to wait a fair while before they got >started and unfortunately they hit the curfew after only about 30 >minutes of playing. The set consisted of some pretty mellow techno with >some nice guitar and synth floating over it. Not a million miles from >the likes of Banco De Gaia Speaking to Richard later he explained that >it was the first time he'd done this live and they'd had a few problems >setting up and had been pretty nervous about. He also mentioned that >this was to be his next big project and was hugely enthusiastic about >the ideas he'd got planned for it. Maybe a support slot on the Hawktour >later this year? > > >After another scorching day the Moonloonies were the first act on the >mainstage (though quite a few of us were lucky enough to have been >around during Hawkwind's soundcheck and caught versions of Coded >Languages, Magnu, Utopia and Green Finned Demon), featuring Agent of >Chaos and some-time Hawk Crum. I'd been meaning to track down some of >their stuff for a while and will certainly be making sure that I do now. >A good opener to the Hawk evening. Relentless up next were certainly >that. A bit like instrumental Anthrax is about the closest comparison I >can draw, didn't seem to be to some people's taste but as it was quite a >diversion from the spacerock that surrounded. Also it featured some the >most irresponsible guitar playing I'd heard in a while. Kinda fun to >see Martin get up and have a sing too. Managed to miss the beginning of >Spacehead as I'd popped back to the tent to ready myself for the evening >and got a bit distracted but I returned to find Dave and Keith K joining >them for a cracking version of Quark (heavier, but much closer to the >album version than the 90s version, which was pretty much a new track >with the old words). The two Hawks stayed on stage for the rest of the >set closing with Choose Your Masks. >Next up we were expecting Harvey but got pretty much a full contingent >of Hawks playing Coded Languages. This was followed by a relaxed set >from Harvey joined variously by Huw (for Waiting for Tomorrow - two >versions) and Dibs. The lightshow really started to kick in here and the >footage of the sky-divers falling straight you (I was very near the >front by this time and the screen was angled almost above me) was >amazing and completely filled my field of vision - that'll be 6000Lu of >video projector for you! >Plenty of folk have commented on the HW set already, for me it was >stunning. Everyone having a whale of a time and, as far as I was >concerned, playing beautifully. I'd rather hear Alan than Dibs >admittedly but this was a party for the band and crew as well and who's >to begrudge Dibs and Keef getting to share a bit of the limelight after >all the hard work they put in behind the scenes. For at least one song >Keef was the only HW guitarist on stage - how's that for a fanboy >fantasy come true! Could have done with more personnel on stage for >Spirit of the Age, it did need some lead from somewhere be it Simon's >keys or violin or guitar from Dave as on the tour. A good long set it >was with welcome returns for tracks such as Utopia, Magnu and Green >Finned Demon. Highlights were Hurry On Sundown, Brainbox Pollution, >Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where Are They Now and Master of the >Universe. The lights were, literally, stunning throughout. The >aforementioned beast of a video projector accompanied by an arsenal of a >dozen or so projectors/Optis with strobeflowers and strobes mounted at >the stage. >I did wander over to the barn afterwards to Catch Tribe of Cro. They >seemed to be playing well but it was one of those HW performances after >which other music seemed, well, irrelevant. Chilled for a while then >hit the sack. > >Didn't catch much on Sunday until Alien Dream having had a trip to >Garstang for lunch. I'd not heard any of Mike Blackman's own stuff >before and was rather impressed, ably assisted as he was by Tom Byrne, >some of whose own pieces were also played. Very enjoyable synth/guitar >stuff. >Assassins of Silence (Mk II) were up next. It's a pretty tall order for >a HW tribute band to play a HW festival, especially after such a strong >HW show but they played a pretty good set. New guitarist Kevin and the >sax player seem to have slotted in well. Strong versions of Orgone >Accumulator, Brainstorm, Demented Man (great vocals as ever from their >drummer, Rob, here). The vocals on their version of Hurry On Sundown >didn't quite come off though. >Caught most of Bruise over on the mainstage next. Not bad but a bit >poppy for my tastes, would've like to have heard their version of Silver >Machine again though. >The acoustic Levellers were up next and gave us a very entertaining 90 >minutes or so of pumped up folk, complete with a couple of dancing >Teletubbies! > >All in all a hugely enjoyable weekend and I didn't want to leave come >Monday morning, and nice lunch in Garstang put off the event, but >unfortunately reality beckons. >Massive thanks all around to all those who made this possible and I do >hope that the numbers were there to make next year a viable option (it >looked pretty busy, but its so hard to tell). A big hello to all those >I met and chatted to (too many to list). Great to finally meet and put >more faces to names. >Looking forward to Hawkfest 2004 already, lets make it happen! > >Nick _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 08:26:01 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:26:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 Message-ID: I NOTICED AT THE FEST THAT MANY OF THE BANDS WERE BEING FILMED WHILST PLAYING AND AFTERWARD. DOES THIS MEAN THAT THERE MAY BE A VIDEO OF THE FESTIVAL GENERALLY AVAILABLE (I.E. FOR PASSPORT HOLDERS.....) ANYONE ANY INFO ON THIS???? >From: Nick Lee >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2003 >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:46:10 +0100 > >Got back yesterday from Hawkfest a little too shattered to write >anything much. > >What a wonderful weekend! Great weather, great music and good times. >Great to see so many friends, old and new, and put some more faces to >names. >Building on last year's blueprint the organisation this was spot on >things appeared to be running very smoothly. > >Soon after arriving I managed to catch an impromptu Spacehead rehearsal, >the first time they'd played together since the Hawktour and Dibs had >decided to drop a new song on everyone! Had a wander about and chatted >and met a few more people before catching the end of a strong sounding >set from Litmus and then Mr Quimby's Beard who delivered one of the best >sets I've heard from them. Didn't catch too much of Tarantism as I was >busy chatting outside the mainstage but what I could hear sounded pretty >good. Big Amongst Sheep next I was hearing for the first time and >really enjoyed. Following was a great set from Arthur and Instant >Flight, difficult to believe that they'd not played together. The set >featured a lovely version of 'Fire' (complete with flaming head-piece) >and Arthur's showmanship shone through all the way (at one point >mimicking the techno from the near by rave tent by dangling the mic to >the floor and stomping about the stage). >Over to the barn stage next to catch Little Big Men (Man?) with Richard, >Steve Bemand and Keith K. Had to wait a fair while before they got >started and unfortunately they hit the curfew after only about 30 >minutes of playing. The set consisted of some pretty mellow techno with >some nice guitar and synth floating over it. Not a million miles from >the likes of Banco De Gaia Speaking to Richard later he explained that >it was the first time he'd done this live and they'd had a few problems >setting up and had been pretty nervous about. He also mentioned that >this was to be his next big project and was hugely enthusiastic about >the ideas he'd got planned for it. Maybe a support slot on the Hawktour >later this year? > > >After another scorching day the Moonloonies were the first act on the >mainstage (though quite a few of us were lucky enough to have been >around during Hawkwind's soundcheck and caught versions of Coded >Languages, Magnu, Utopia and Green Finned Demon), featuring Agent of >Chaos and some-time Hawk Crum. I'd been meaning to track down some of >their stuff for a while and will certainly be making sure that I do now. >A good opener to the Hawk evening. Relentless up next were certainly >that. A bit like instrumental Anthrax is about the closest comparison I >can draw, didn't seem to be to some people's taste but as it was quite a >diversion from the spacerock that surrounded. Also it featured some the >most irresponsible guitar playing I'd heard in a while. Kinda fun to >see Martin get up and have a sing too. Managed to miss the beginning of >Spacehead as I'd popped back to the tent to ready myself for the evening >and got a bit distracted but I returned to find Dave and Keith K joining >them for a cracking version of Quark (heavier, but much closer to the >album version than the 90s version, which was pretty much a new track >with the old words). The two Hawks stayed on stage for the rest of the >set closing with Choose Your Masks. >Next up we were expecting Harvey but got pretty much a full contingent >of Hawks playing Coded Languages. This was followed by a relaxed set >from Harvey joined variously by Huw (for Waiting for Tomorrow - two >versions) and Dibs. The lightshow really started to kick in here and the >footage of the sky-divers falling straight you (I was very near the >front by this time and the screen was angled almost above me) was >amazing and completely filled my field of vision - that'll be 6000Lu of >video projector for you! >Plenty of folk have commented on the HW set already, for me it was >stunning. Everyone having a whale of a time and, as far as I was >concerned, playing beautifully. I'd rather hear Alan than Dibs >admittedly but this was a party for the band and crew as well and who's >to begrudge Dibs and Keef getting to share a bit of the limelight after >all the hard work they put in behind the scenes. For at least one song >Keef was the only HW guitarist on stage - how's that for a fanboy >fantasy come true! Could have done with more personnel on stage for >Spirit of the Age, it did need some lead from somewhere be it Simon's >keys or violin or guitar from Dave as on the tour. A good long set it >was with welcome returns for tracks such as Utopia, Magnu and Green >Finned Demon. Highlights were Hurry On Sundown, Brainbox Pollution, >Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where Are They Now and Master of the >Universe. The lights were, literally, stunning throughout. The >aforementioned beast of a video projector accompanied by an arsenal of a >dozen or so projectors/Optis with strobeflowers and strobes mounted at >the stage. >I did wander over to the barn afterwards to Catch Tribe of Cro. They >seemed to be playing well but it was one of those HW performances after >which other music seemed, well, irrelevant. Chilled for a while then >hit the sack. > >Didn't catch much on Sunday until Alien Dream having had a trip to >Garstang for lunch. I'd not heard any of Mike Blackman's own stuff >before and was rather impressed, ably assisted as he was by Tom Byrne, >some of whose own pieces were also played. Very enjoyable synth/guitar >stuff. >Assassins of Silence (Mk II) were up next. It's a pretty tall order for >a HW tribute band to play a HW festival, especially after such a strong >HW show but they played a pretty good set. New guitarist Kevin and the >sax player seem to have slotted in well. Strong versions of Orgone >Accumulator, Brainstorm, Demented Man (great vocals as ever from their >drummer, Rob, here). The vocals on their version of Hurry On Sundown >didn't quite come off though. >Caught most of Bruise over on the mainstage next. Not bad but a bit >poppy for my tastes, would've like to have heard their version of Silver >Machine again though. >The acoustic Levellers were up next and gave us a very entertaining 90 >minutes or so of pumped up folk, complete with a couple of dancing >Teletubbies! > >All in all a hugely enjoyable weekend and I didn't want to leave come >Monday morning, and nice lunch in Garstang put off the event, but >unfortunately reality beckons. >Massive thanks all around to all those who made this possible and I do >hope that the numbers were there to make next year a viable option (it >looked pretty busy, but its so hard to tell). A big hello to all those >I met and chatted to (too many to list). Great to finally meet and put >more faces to names. >Looking forward to Hawkfest 2004 already, lets make it happen! > >Nick _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From bart at B-MOVIES.NL Fri Aug 15 09:03:47 2003 From: bart at B-MOVIES.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:03:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Melkweg this sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Are there gonna be some people from this list goin the melkweg this sunday? -BArt From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Aug 15 09:42:19 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:42:19 +0200 Subject: Melkweg this sunday Message-ID: Well Bart, seems like your waaaaaaay to late mate. We're already swapping info some 3 days already. Have a look at your e-mails below ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Brugmans" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: HW: Melkweg this sunday > Hi, > > Are there gonna be some people from this list goin the melkweg > this sunday? > > -BArt > > From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 09:41:23 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:41:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Melkweg this sunday Message-ID: I'm going, and Philip is going. There are people from the Yahoo group meeting in the Bulldog at Leidseplein on Saturday at 8pm and Sunday at 7pm. I'll be there. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:03:47 +0200, Bart Brugmans wrote: >Hi, > >Are there gonna be some people from this list goin the melkweg >this sunday? > >-BArt From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 10:30:30 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:30:30 +0000 Subject: HW:Enjoy Dam Ali!! Message-ID: Hi mate!! I'd be going too if it wasn't for cash'n'work coms.Did Ben do that for me do you know? When the Hawks next play 'Dam, we'll get together and make a time of it!! We had a fantastic time an I look foward to reading your reveiw of the Dam gig!! Have a good one mate!!! YADNALA> >From: Alastair >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Hawkfest 2003 >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:58:31 -0400 > >I can't say too much about the Hawkfest because I promised Starfarer that >I'd write a little review. > >Once again that was the highlight of my year, as much for the social >atmosphere as for the music. For days I'm on a real high after this >festival before I get absorbed back into the work-a-day world. On arrival >back in London I watched people coming home after work looking tired, >caught up in their usual habits and moods. I watched the news and all the >usual crap that people argue about just seemed trivial. > >Hawkwind played a blinding set with loads of energy this year. Best bits >for me were seeing Arthur Brown with his costumes and props doing Time >Captives, I love that song, and the Right Stuff which was electric. > >I'll say hello to everyone I saw there. Steve Starfarer for driving us up >there, Stephe Lindas who came over from the US, Dave from the Hawkwind >Museum, Engineer Benny, Alan and Andrea, the Nederlanders, California >(anyone else meet this guy?), Maxine Wesley, Jim Mountjoy who did the >Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack artwork and anyone else. Thanks to >everyone who worked there. > >I feel like I should have made more use somehow of just 3 days of >enjoyment. This festival is a gem of personal freedom when many other >festivals/gatherings are completely infiltrated by commercial interests. >Please organise another one another one next year. > >Alastair. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 10:50:07 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:50:07 -0400 Subject: HW:Enjoy Dam Ali!! Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:30:30 +0000, alan day wrote: >Did Ben do that for me do you know? Hi Alan, I think he got them but I can't remember for sure now. This will definitely be the most expensive gig I've ever been to. And I was only in the Dam 2 weeks ago. It was a real last minute decision after the Hawkfest. It's all worked out to be nice and convenient though cos I got a week off now. Alastair. From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 15 14:55:16 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:55:16 +0000 Subject: HW:Enjoy Dam Ali!! Message-ID: All I can say is "have a good one" though we all know they're gonna be great! I wish I was going 'cos the festi seems so vague now! Know wot I mean?? Keep in touch, AL. >From: Alastair >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW:Enjoy Dam Ali!! >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:50:07 -0400 > >On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:30:30 +0000, alan day wrote: > > >Did Ben do that for me do you know? > >Hi Alan, >I think he got them but I can't remember for sure now. > >This will definitely be the most expensive gig I've ever been to. And I was >only in the Dam 2 weeks ago. It was a real last minute decision after the >Hawkfest. It's all worked out to be nice and convenient though cos I got a >week off now. > >Alastair. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Aug 15 15:16:16 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:16:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Message-ID: Hey there's a Hawkfest in the States! http://www.hawkfest.org/ Mick :) -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Aug 15 15:41:25 2003 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:41:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Message-ID: Maxine wrote: > >I would agree that you probably couldn't get a better site than the >Preston one - but I think the notion of moving the festival around the >country is a good one - I met several folks from 'oop north' who said >they had missed the previous year due to travel difficulties/distance so >maybe an alternating location North/South - Midlands would be the >best option. > >Roll on next year... > The location of the 2003 Hawkfest is about 10 miles from a tiny village called Dunsop Bridge - its claim to fame is that it is the exact geographical centre of Great Britain, so the site could hardly be fairer as regards distance to travel from around the uk - but I would say that!! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Aug 15 15:49:16 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:49:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Britain imports emergency beer Message-ID: http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/6205438?source=Evening%20Standard Never a problem here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin! ;) From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Aug 15 18:53:16 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:53:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam gig this weekend Message-ID: just to say to all the list members off to the gig this weekend, have a great time,(stupid statement considering where it is!) and if any of you fancy doing a gig review or have some pictures there's always a home for these at the hawkwind museum!!!!! you might also be interested to know that i've just posted a few pictures from last weekend, just a taster really, plenty more to come in time http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hawkwind.htm regards dave From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Fri Aug 15 16:04:19 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:04:19 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: here is the setlist from the Columbus, Ohio show: MOTORHEAD Metropolis Sacrifice (couple other songs???) R.A.M.O.N.E.S. Killed By Death Ace Of Spades Overkill DIO Killing The Dragon Last In Line\Stargazer Stand Up And Shout Drum Solo I Speed At Night Dream Evil Rock And Roll Guitar Solo Mob Rules Rainbow In The Dark Heaven and Hell IRON MAIDEN The Number of the Beast The Trooper Die With Your Boots On Revelations Hallowed Be Thy Name Wildest Dreams (new song, pretty cool!) The Wicker Man The Clansman The Clairvoyant Fear of the Dark Iron Maiden E: 2 Minutes To Midnight Run to the Hills a link to photos: http://www.usafreg.com/photos/maiden/ Dragon Rider ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) > I left a little before the show ended. Actually during "Iron Maiden". So if > "Running Free" came after, I missed it. > > --Nick > > >right, they always play it. No Running free with > >singalong or Sanctuary?? > > > >ciao, gg From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Fri Aug 15 18:44:04 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:44:04 -0400 Subject: HW: ISO - Nik Turner Message-ID: Hey Now! Does anyone have a phone number for Nik Turner? I really need to get in touch w/ him regarding some upcoming gigs here in the U.S. This is VERY important! Thanx! Darrin From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Fri Aug 15 15:57:39 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:57:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Huw Message-ID: Steve, Thanx very much for the update on Huw. He has been having a tough year and surely could use all the support we Hawkfans can summon. Wishing only the most positive vibrations to Huw, Marion and their family. May the second half of this year shine bright! Peace, Darrin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: HW: Huw Just commenting on people's observations of Huw at Hawkfest 2003. Yes, he's poorly. He's got hypoglycaemia, which is quite debilitating (i.e. lack of blood sugar) and in Marion's words is 'very fragile these days. He broke his arm again a few months ago and has only just started playing again'. People here may also know that he lost a daughter earlier this year, so he's not having a very good one 8-( Huw will be doing his usual solo afternoon gig at Elder Stubbs festival on 16th August in Oxford (benefit for mental health charity 'Restore'). ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Fri Aug 15 16:22:42 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:22:42 -0400 Subject: Off: Spiritualized Tour Dates Message-ID: Sept. 10: Northampton, England (Roadmenders) Sept. 11: Edinburgh, Scotland (Liquid Room) Sept. 12: Sheffield, England (Leadmill) Sept. 14: Brighton, England (Concorde 2) Sept. 15: Bristol, England (Bristol Bierkeller) Sept. 16: London (Electric Ballroom) Sept. 20: Brussels (Botanique Festival) Sept. 26: Cologne, Germany (Stollwerk) Sept. 27: Berlin (Columbia Fritz) Oct. 10: New Haven, Conn. (Toad's Place) Oct. 11: Providence, R.I. (Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel) Oct. 13-15: New York (Irving Plaza) Oct. 17: Boston (Avalon) Oct. 18: Montreal (Le Spectrum) Oct. 19-20: Toronto (Opera House) Oct. 22: Pittsburgh (Club Laga) Oct. 23: Cleveland (Agora Theatre) Oct. 25: Detroit (St. Andrews Hall) Oct. 27: Indianapolis (The Vogue) Oct. 28: Chicago (Vic Theatre) Nov. 4: Englewood, Colo. (Gothic Theatre) Nov. 5: Salt Lake City (DV8) Nov. 7: Portland, Ore. (Roseland Theater) Nov. 8: Seattle (Showbox) Nov. 13-14: Los Angeles (Henry Fonda Theatre) Nov. 15: San Diego (4th & B) Nov. 18-19: Austin, Texas (Kitchen Club) Nov. 20: Dallas (Gypsy Tea Room) Nov. 21: New Orleans (House of Blues) Nov. 22: Atlanta (Earthlink Live) From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Thu Aug 14 18:16:52 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:16:52 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: this is probably because Bruce likes to toke himself - or at least he used to.... and therefore he has "first-hand" knowledge of it's effects on his voice ") Up The Irons! D ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce also lit into (pun intended) the pot smokers, saying the smoke "fucks with my voice", and wondering which side of the stage he should stand at to avoid it. He was not kind to those who were toking up, which is a risky move, given the crowd this type of show attracts. From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat Aug 16 09:21:12 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100 Subject: HW Re: Hawkfest In-Reply-To: <200308141053.h7EArJ7H013641@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:53 14/08/2003 +0100, FoFP wrote: >gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > > Perhaps I would prefer less > > "guests"... it's HW I really wanna see. > >No! NO! We need more Barton! Maybe I just need more then! Was a bit of a case of "who's that then?" for me. > > Really cool atmosphere (everything else was HOT!)... lovely food - > > carnivores, it's only three days! Do you object to eating vegetables or > > something?!! > >It's illegal for us Scots. Well when I say vegetables, I do of course mean chips. Glasgow Salad. > > Pity about the no fires, no barbecues, no candles thing... fires I can > > understand, disposable bbq's leaving loads of burnt bits on the grass I can > > pretty much understand > >Come on. Stick 'em on the box they came in and they're off the grass. >Also, if it had gotten as cold as 2002 then we'd have at least needed a >couple of big communal fires to get warm. What's with all this yank >safety-nazi stuff? Can't we all just sign waivers saying that if we burn >ourselves then it's our own fault? Is there a lawyer in the house? Well yeah, I have to agree... I know fire hurts... if I'm stupid enough to burn myself, or my tent then that's my problem. Saying that though, I was quite surprised (followed by worried) at the size of fire you can get from the remnants of a disposable barbecue filled with nightlight candles... when it turns into a tray of burning wax and is fairly close to both the tent and the hire car, "getting a wee heat" becomes secondary to "getting this bloody thing away from me, the tent and the car". A little Hawkfest 2002 memory there... wasn't gonna fall for that this year. Wasn't ALLOWED to fall for that this year. But I should be. If only for the entertainment of those watching nearby. > > Still, I s'pose that's the price that > > has be paid for having facilities like showers etc. Being able to cook > > would be very handy though (all my horrible, disgusting vegetables had to > > come home with me). > >Can't you just plant them or something? What, and have less room for the weeds? Never! (that weeds as in, well, weeds officer. Not THAT sorta weed. Leave my front door alone ) >But OK, I'm being picky and I enjoyed the whole experience as much as >anyone. Everything really worked well and the rave tent would have been >fine if it'd been over by the river or somewhere else well away from the >stages. Yeah, I must say I'm only being picky too... thought the whole weekend was excellent... great time had by all. What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of weeks... Only downside is missing HW in Amsterdam this weekend... been waiting years for them to play there again, and it goes and coincides with massive expense in so many other areas that I can't go! Argghh. I say again though... here's to Hawkfest 2004! Dave From fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM Sat Aug 16 09:37:36 2003 From: fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM (Frank Cinnella) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:37:36 -0400 Subject: ISO - Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <018401c3637e$bb098be0$33438118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: Darrin, I have a number for him. Please e-mail me off-list and I will send it off to you. Frank Cinnella -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of DRider Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:44 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: ISO - Nik Turner Hey Now! Does anyone have a phone number for Nik Turner? I really need to get in touch w/ him regarding some upcoming gigs here in the U.S. This is VERY important! Thanx! Darrin From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Aug 16 14:11:56 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:11:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of >weeks... Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Aug 16 14:20:52 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:20:52 +0100 Subject: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) Message-ID: Looking forward to Radio Birdman in Nottingham myself... :-) It'll take my mind off wanting to kick computers to death. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... > >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a > >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the > >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, > >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of > >weeks... > > Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their > current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or > something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this > summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if > Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) > > Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Aug 16 20:47:04 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:47:04 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: test From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 16 21:06:37 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:06:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) In-Reply-To: <000d01c36423$20b0da80$e42d9fd4@brian> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Looking forward to Radio Birdman in Nottingham myself... :-) > > It'll take my mind off wanting to kick computers to death. Hang on hang on, they're playing in Nottingham? I didn't know that, a plan begins to form. Can anyone remind me of the dates? Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Distant Horizons_ -- "If you are rich, throw away your documents. If you are poor, do so also." (Egyptian proverb) Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Aug 16 22:45:47 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:45:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) Message-ID: 31st August if memory serves me correctly. Andy Gilham will be able to tell you more accurately Jon! :-) Hope to see you both there! Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Re: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > Looking forward to Radio Birdman in Nottingham myself... :-) > > > > It'll take my mind off wanting to kick computers to death. > > Hang on hang on, they're playing in Nottingham? I didn't know > that, a plan begins to form. Can anyone remind me of the dates? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Hawkwind - _Distant Horizons_ > -- > "If you are rich, throw away your documents. > If you are poor, do so also." (Egyptian proverb) > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College > From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Aug 17 04:49:57 2003 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:49:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Festival 2003 Message-ID: I've just returned from my Irish holiday. After a week to digest the events of last weekend, here are a few impressions of the Hawkfest. In 30 years or so of going to see rock concerts and festivals, I've never been to events as intimate, as good natured or as relaxed as these events (2002 & 2003) 2003 was better than 2002 - more structured and better facilities. The standard of the music was very high indeed, and it was a delight to be able to wander by and chat to the musicians (Mr Quimby's Beard et al). The whole event was very well orgainised owing to the tireless dedication of the crew (Tone, Kris, Colin & all) I had no hesitation at all in bringing the kids or in letting them wander around the site. Playing in Alien Dream was terrific fun. As Dave Law mentions in the Hawkwind Museum review, I might have displayed some little stage fright pre gig, which an observer might have interpreted as utter terror, but once I was on it was magic. Thanks very much to our audience for taking in the set and for applauding! Thanks also to Dave Law for his kind review (part of his account at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/hawkfest1.htm in the very excellent Hawkwind Museum) It was a pleasure to meet Dave and other list / chat friends - and sympathies to Dave for having to bob out on Saturday of all days! The on-site restaurants weren't cheap, but weren't a rip-off either and the food was very good indeed - we didn't need to eat anywhere else for the 3 days. Elder son Matthew got a good go on a set of drums in the middle of the field (I assume this was the drum workshop) and was extraordinarily chuffed at some youngsters asking him for pointers. I missed the synth workshop I was looking forward to - was it there? I agree with others that the dance tent was a pain in the ear. I know a stand-up comedian that does a routine about people dancing to the sound of car alarms, pneumatic drills, etc - and I could see where he got his material. I don't begrudge those that like this kind of thing their entertainment - but it should be put as far as possible from the main tent - it did intrude on the main performances. A lot has been written about the music, especially Saturday night - I'll just repeat that we were not at all disappointed - we were expecting a lot and our expectations were surpassed. Hawkwind gave excellent value for money, everyone who played on Friday was brilliant and Sunday was great too. The bill was also imaginatively put together - a great blend of space rock, psychedelic, hard rock and celtic rock. At no point did listening become tedious. I'm just a little worried that having been to the last two Hawkfests my kids will become spoiled - comparing other gigs to these high standards! If there is another one next year, playing or not - we will be there!! Best regards Tom From gg at NINJANET.COM Sat Aug 16 12:58:12 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:58:12 +0200 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) In-Reply-To: <00e201c36368$698b6ec0$33438118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: DRider wrote: > MOTORHEAD > Metropolis > Sacrifice > (couple other songs???) uhmm... probably Going To Brazil (the one presented like Rock And fucking Roll song!) and God Save the Queen or Bomber or Iron Fist. > Last In Line\Stargazer uououuo! Stargazer!!! Has Dio now a good guitarplayer to play Stargazer with? > Heaven and Hell well, a relly GREAT show for Dio! Sigh, I've never seen him. ciao, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Aug 17 13:06:32 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:06:32 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: This is pretty close to the Pittsburgh show. Motorhead played all those songs, plus two others off the top of my head: Shoot you in the Back and Dr. Rock. Nothing off "Hammered", which was odd and a little sad. As for Dio, there was no Stargazer. The Iron Maiden setlist looks identical up to "Iron Maiden". After that, I can't say for sure, but I don't see why it would have been any different. >here is the setlist from the Columbus, Ohio show: > >MOTORHEAD >Metropolis >Sacrifice >(couple other songs???) >R.A.M.O.N.E.S. >Killed By Death >Ace Of Spades >Overkill > > DIO >Killing The Dragon >Last In Line\Stargazer >Stand Up And Shout >Drum Solo >I Speed At Night >Dream Evil >Rock And Roll >Guitar Solo >Mob Rules >Rainbow In The Dark >Heaven and Hell > > IRON MAIDEN >The Number of the Beast >The Trooper >Die With Your Boots On >Revelations >Hallowed Be Thy Name >Wildest Dreams (new song, pretty cool!) >The Wicker Man >The Clansman >The Clairvoyant >Fear of the Dark >Iron Maiden >E: 2 Minutes To Midnight >Run to the Hills > >a link to photos: >http://www.usafreg.com/photos/maiden/ > >Dragon Rider > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:16 PM >Subject: Re: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden >Airlines) > > >> I left a little before the show ended. Actually >during "Iron Maiden". So >if >> "Running Free" came after, I missed it. >> >> --Nick >> >> >right, they always play it. No Running free with > >> >singalong or Sanctuary?? >> > >> >ciao, gg From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Aug 17 13:09:17 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:09:17 -0400 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: Funny. . . Bruce actually said something about, "Since I don't do it myself". . . and sarcastically pointed out how some people just can't enjoy a concert without being stoned. I've never been privvy to chemical habits of Bruce Dickinson, but he sounded pretty anti to me. Maybe he quit and has no tolerance for it anymore? --Nick >this is probably because Bruce likes to toke >himself - or at least he used >to.... >and therefore he has "first-hand" knowledge of it's >effects on his voice ") > >Up The Irons! > >D >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > >Bruce also lit into (pun intended) the pot smokers, >saying the smoke "fucks >with my voice", and wondering which side of the >stage he should stand at to >avoid it. He was not kind to those who were toking >up, which is a risky >move, given the crowd this type of show attracts. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 17 17:15:42 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:15:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Electronic music and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 17, 2003): We've just uploaded the following new radio shows: The Electronic Cottage (show #1): The Electronic Cottage is Aural Innovations' new show dedicated to all things electronic, including the fascinating ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we review. Alchemical Radio (show #44): Produced by Terri~B and the Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, Alchemical Radio features Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop from the underground. See the playlists below. Stay tuned next week for new Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows, plus a handful of new CD reviews. CALL FOR HELP: Aural Innovations is looking for someone with a little programming savvy who would be willing to donate a counter. Our counter is one of those freebie services and seems to have died. I have a cgi-bin directory but just haven't been able to figure out how to create one of my own. If you can help please contact me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com. Thanks! The Electronic Cottage (show #1): General Playlist Frank Gingeleit - "Adjust Your Clock" (from Megalopolis) Phinney/McGee - "Tapestry Of Creation And Destruction" (from Antenna Club) BIOnight - "Mind Probe" (from Daybreak) Perry Botkin - "Confused Youth" (from Combines 3: Memories, Dreams, & Other Abstractions) Jean-Pierre Saccomani & Jean-Luc Berthelot - "Interferences Lumineuses dans la Lumiere de Lombre" (from Equilibre Thermique De L'igloo En Phase De Fonte) Funkmeister G - "Theories On Sound" (from Who Got Da Fonk?) Kobi Projecto - "It Was Often Enough Simply To Pursue Doubt" (from Kobi Projecto) If Thousands - "From The Snowy Range" (from Lullaby) Victor Cerullo - "Artificial Dream" (from Visions: A Homage To Andrei Tarkovsky) Artemiy Artemiev - "Calvary" (from Forgotten Themes) Blade Of The Sun - "Rise Into The Sky" (from T-30 Control) The Interstellar Cementmixers - "Vascular Storm" (from Dislodged Resonance) Alchemical Radio (show #44) Brown Trout & The Lunkers - "Mode For Love" Blaze - "Land Of The Blind" Bartles & Arpad - "Gross Income Decapita" Anton Barbeau - "I'm Always Offending My Sensitive Friends" Adrian - "Dreams" Yaya Diallo - "Outeme" Will Thomas - "Wait... Again" Typewriter - "It's Everything" The Thicket - "Catharsis" The Sweeney - "Rock" Superczar - "Superczar" Rolland White - "The Lord Came Along" The Rick Ray Band - "Loriann" Resin - "Shudder" Peter Cooper - "Take The Wheel" Nick Toone - "Soylent Green" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. Also check out our mail order catalog for lots of Space Rock, Psychedelic and Electronic music CDs at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Aug 17 17:17:50 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:17:50 +0100 Subject: OFF IM/Dio/MH (was Re: Iron Maiden Airlines) Message-ID: How embarrassing is it for Motorhead to be supporting Dio? Come on Lem, you can do better than that, surely? :-( I'm going to go downstairs and listen to "1916" NOW. I'm also going to kick my copy of "Holy Diver" to bits. (Let's face it, it was sh1t when they recorded it, and it's sh1t now.) Lemmy is God. Cheers, Rich. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 17 17:32:04 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:32:04 EDT Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2003 5:18:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > How embarrassing is it for Motorhead to be supporting Dio? > > Come on Lem, you can do better than that, surely? > > apparently not a band's placng on the bill is determined in many ways, and two of the most important ways are by the bands ticket sales on their last trip thru the area and current national soundscan lp sales. apparently dio is more popular with the concert-going/record-buying public in the states. sure, dio sucks and motorhead is great, but that's not how bills are put together. so it's a case of 'swallow your pride and open for dio or stay home and go broke waiting for something "better"...' motorhead needs to tour as much as possible between recording advances or they would die. just be thankful they're still with us, rocking out on the road at all bobm From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 08:01:20 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:01:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Killing Joke had Ted Parsons from Prong beating the skins. Did a great job. Setlist was: REQUIEM TOTAL INVASION WARDANCE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS CHANGE SEEING RED FALL OF BECAUSE TENSION DEATH & RESURRECTION SHOW THE WAIT WHITEOUT FRENZY PSYCHE ASTEROID PANDEMONIUM Top notch performance from start to finish. They're touring the UK in October, and the States after that I think. Well worth catching. Radio Birdman is sure to be another great show. Never thought I'd get the chance to see 'em, so despite financial ruin fast approaching I'm going to the two UK dates. Been a long time since they were last over over, so gotta be done. I think it's original line-up, minus Warwick Gilbert. Apparently there's a new album in the offing too. The Stooges re-union sounded great! Maybe one day I'll get that one too! cheers, Dave At 14:11 16/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... > >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a > >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the > >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, > >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of > >weeks... > >Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their >current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or >something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this >summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if >Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) > >Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Aug 18 08:05:11 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:05:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) Message-ID: When are they coming to the states? Seen them twice. Amazing!!!! Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: Re: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) > Killing Joke had Ted Parsons from Prong beating the skins. Did a great job. > Setlist was: > > REQUIEM > TOTAL INVASION > WARDANCE > BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS > CHANGE > SEEING RED > FALL OF BECAUSE > TENSION > DEATH & RESURRECTION SHOW > THE WAIT > WHITEOUT > FRENZY > PSYCHE > ASTEROID > PANDEMONIUM > > Top notch performance from start to finish. They're touring the UK in > October, and the States after that I think. Well worth catching. > > Radio Birdman is sure to be another great show. Never thought I'd get the > chance to see 'em, so despite financial ruin fast approaching I'm going to > the two UK dates. Been a long time since they were last over over, so gotta > be done. I think it's original line-up, minus Warwick Gilbert. Apparently > there's a new album in the offing too. > > The Stooges re-union sounded great! Maybe one day I'll get that one too! > > cheers, > Dave > > > > > > At 14:11 16/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... > > >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a > > >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the > > >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, > > >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of > > >weeks... > > > >Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their > >current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or > >something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this > >summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if > >Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) > > > >Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 08:32:08 2003 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:32:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) In-Reply-To: <000901c36580$fa149ce0$0464a944@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I think it's gonna be November... not seen any confirmed dates yet. http://www.killingjoke.com/ is probably the best place to keep an eye on. cheers, Dave At 08:05 18/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: >When are they coming to the states? Seen them twice. Amazing!!!! Cheers >Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:01 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) > > > > Killing Joke had Ted Parsons from Prong beating the skins. Did a great >job. > > Setlist was: > > > > REQUIEM > > TOTAL INVASION > > WARDANCE > > BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS > > CHANGE > > SEEING RED > > FALL OF BECAUSE > > TENSION > > DEATH & RESURRECTION SHOW > > THE WAIT > > WHITEOUT > > FRENZY > > PSYCHE > > ASTEROID > > PANDEMONIUM > > > > Top notch performance from start to finish. They're touring the UK in > > October, and the States after that I think. Well worth catching. > > > > Radio Birdman is sure to be another great show. Never thought I'd get the > > chance to see 'em, so despite financial ruin fast approaching I'm going to > > the two UK dates. Been a long time since they were last over over, so >gotta > > be done. I think it's original line-up, minus Warwick Gilbert. Apparently > > there's a new album in the offing too. > > > > The Stooges re-union sounded great! Maybe one day I'll get that one too! > > > > cheers, > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > At 14:11 16/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > > >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW >fest... > > > >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a > > > >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on >the > > > >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get >arrested, > > > >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of > > > >weeks... > > > > > >Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their > > >current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or > > >something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this > > >summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if > > >Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) > > > > > >Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! > > > > > > -Doug > > > jasret at mindspring.com > > From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Aug 18 13:16:19 2003 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:16:19 +0200 Subject: HW: Setlist Amsterdam Message-ID: 1. Arrival in Utopia 2. The Watcher 3. Master of the Universe 4. Wings 5. The Right Stuff 6. Brainbox Pollution 7. Abducted 8. Angela Android 9. Green Finned Demon 10.Assault and Battery/The Golden Void/Where are they now? Encore: 11.Hassan I Sahba Crew: DAVE BROCK ALAN DAVEY RICHARD CHADWICK KEITH BARTON + Mr. Dibs: Vocals (7) From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 14:32:59 2003 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:32:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) Message-ID: excellent! i just got my tickets for killing jokes show at the astoria in october, i cant wait to see them. If anyone wants to get tickets get them soon cos they are selling out really fast! cheers colm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: OFF: summer 2003 (was Re: Hawkfest) > Killing Joke had Ted Parsons from Prong beating the skins. Did a great job. > Setlist was: > > REQUIEM > TOTAL INVASION > WARDANCE > BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS > CHANGE > SEEING RED > FALL OF BECAUSE > TENSION > DEATH & RESURRECTION SHOW > THE WAIT > WHITEOUT > FRENZY > PSYCHE > ASTEROID > PANDEMONIUM > > Top notch performance from start to finish. They're touring the UK in > October, and the States after that I think. Well worth catching. > > Radio Birdman is sure to be another great show. Never thought I'd get the > chance to see 'em, so despite financial ruin fast approaching I'm going to > the two UK dates. Been a long time since they were last over over, so gotta > be done. I think it's original line-up, minus Warwick Gilbert. Apparently > there's a new album in the offing too. > > The Stooges re-union sounded great! Maybe one day I'll get that one too! > > cheers, > Dave > > > > > > At 14:11 16/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:21:12 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > >What a summer this has turned out to be... yet another excellent HW fest... > > >seeing Poison Idea for the first time in 10 years... Killing Joke at a > > >secret club show... first time in 8 years... Turbonegro boat trip on the > > >Thames next week (trying to arrange for Malcolm McLaren to get arrested, > > >we'll see...), Radio Birdman for the first time ever in a couple of > > >weeks... > > > >Man! Those are some GREAT shows, alright! Did Killing Joke have their > >current secret-celebrity drummer (some guy named "Gull" or "Droll" or > >something)? At least I got to see the Stooges reunion earlier this > >summer ... (and will have the opportunity in a couple weeks to see if > >Mudhoney are still playing "Urban Guerilla" at their shows) > > > >Feel free to post reviews here, especially of Radio Birdman! > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 15:49:56 2003 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:49:56 +0100 Subject: Trip to the Melkweg Message-ID: Hi All In case you can't be bothered to read all this waffle, what it boils down to is - HW played an absolute blinder of a gig last night. For me the evening's entertainment began with a few of us trying and failing to get in to the soundcheck. From outside we could hear a very strong run through of The Right Stuff, which just whetted my appetite for the gig. However, the word on the street was that neither Simon or Arthur were with them, so Keith Barton would be filling in on guitar again. A HW gig without Simon House? A worrying prospect, especially given how far I'd travelled to see this one. Would it come up to scratch without that violin sound? This was definitely a situation that needed some thoughtful preparation. So we went to the pub. The meet at The Bulldog went well, so it's a big "Hi" to all the various people I sat and drank over-priced Heineken with over the 2 evenings that we congregated there - Filip "I have 246 versions of Silver Machine" Vanhuyse and his long-suffering wife, Alisa, Tommy and his other half, Rob Dreamworker (you again), mango Steve, Michael Blackman and (let's not forget the sizeable German contingent that included...) Andreas, Rainer & Christos. A few hours of chatting about HW, watching the Amsterdam nightlife and eagerly anticipating take-off ;-) The Melkweg doors opened about 9pm, and we all had to pay an extra e2.50 "membership" fee before we could get in. The place soon filled out nicely (it's only a small club), there was no support, and the band hit the stage around 9:35/9:40. Line-up was Dave, Alan and Richard, with Keith Barton on guitar (he played throughout, not just here and there). Dibs did the vocals on Abducted as he did at Hawkfest. Set list was (I *think*) - Arrival In Utopia The Watcher Master Of The Universe Wings Brainbox Pollution The Right Stuff Green Finned Demon Abducted Angela Android Assault & Battery The Golden Void Where Are They Now? Assassins Of Allah And it was stunning, or at least it was from where I was standing (right in front of Brock's gear!). The sound was very good, made me realise just how much difference a decent pa makes. One woman sat on the stage next to the right hand speaker-stack for the entire gig, must have been bliss. The band played the tightest, heaviest, dirtiest HW set I think I've ever heard. There was just no stopping them, they just belted out one rocker after another, very intense, totally absorbing, a brutal sonic assault. There was some faffing around before G F Demon but it didn't seem to matter - by the time they got to The Right Stuff I was already convinced I'd never heard them play better, but then maybe that was just the, er, "Amsterdam factor". I didn't think they would carry Where... without the violin but it worked fine. Assassins was the encore, and with all the hollering that followed they could easily have come back and done another (I felt sure they would come back on to do Silver Machine but it didn't happen). It was just after 11pm by then so maybe there was a curfew. Now we all know that HW these days is *really* just Dave, Alan & Richard, plus whoever else they can drag along, but it was still astounding to see just how good those 3 chaps are when they really want to be. Having said that, a big round of applause goes to Keith Barton for adding some very nice sounds throughout. I'm reminded of the "trio years" a decade or so ago when I always felt they needed another musician to help fill out the sound, and then Jerry Richards stepped in at Pentrich 1995 for just a couple of numbers and I thought "that's it!". Well Keith B is kind of doing the same job only much better in my view. "Icing on the cake" is a cliche but an apt one here. This really does blow the whole line-up issue wide open - how do YOU want your Hawkwind power-trio topped off in future? House? Barton? Capt Black? Arthur? Harvey??! ...the debate starts here. Let's face it, they can't afford to drag 'em ALL along can they? Not much of a track-by-track review but there ya go. This was a very special HW gig for me. It was unique, a real one-off under-pressure occasion that went incredibly well. Completely different to Hawkfest only a week before - how many bands could pull off both? Thanks to the band and the crew for going ahead with this date even though the Cornberg Fest was cancelled, nice one folks. Roll on that autumn tour. :-))))))) AL ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 17:14:11 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:14:11 +0100 Subject: Trip to the Melkweg Message-ID: I know that I am biased (well, maybe only a little), but I have to agree with Alan that this was a blistering gig, especially in the rather peculiar circumstances. Thanks to everyone who came over from the UK as well as everyone else really; what an audience!!! Cheers, Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Linsley" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Trip to the Melkweg > Hi All > > In case you can't be bothered to read all this waffle, what it boils > down to is - HW played an absolute blinder of a gig last night. > > For me the evening's entertainment began with a few of us trying and > failing to get in to the soundcheck. From outside we could hear a very > strong run through of The Right Stuff, which just whetted my appetite > for the gig. However, the word on the street was that neither Simon or > Arthur were with them, so Keith Barton would be filling in on guitar > again. A HW gig without Simon House? A worrying prospect, especially > given how far I'd travelled to see this one. Would it come up to > scratch without that violin sound? This was definitely a situation > that needed some thoughtful preparation. So we went to the pub. > > The meet at The Bulldog went well, so it's a big "Hi" to all the > various people I sat and drank over-priced Heineken with over the 2 > evenings that we congregated there - Filip "I have 246 versions of > Silver Machine" Vanhuyse and his long-suffering wife, Alisa, Tommy and > his other half, Rob Dreamworker (you again), mango Steve, Michael > Blackman and (let's not forget the sizeable German contingent that > included...) Andreas, Rainer & Christos. A few hours of chatting about > HW, watching the Amsterdam nightlife and eagerly anticipating take-off > ;-) > > The Melkweg doors opened about 9pm, and we all had to pay an extra > e2.50 "membership" fee before we could get in. The place soon filled > out nicely (it's only a small club), there was no support, and the band > hit the stage around 9:35/9:40. > > Line-up was Dave, Alan and Richard, with Keith Barton on guitar (he > played throughout, not just here and there). Dibs did the vocals on > Abducted as he did at Hawkfest. Set list was (I *think*) - > > Arrival In Utopia > The Watcher > Master Of The Universe > Wings > Brainbox Pollution > The Right Stuff > Green Finned Demon > Abducted > Angela Android > Assault & Battery > The Golden Void > Where Are They Now? > Assassins Of Allah > > And it was stunning, or at least it was from where I was standing > (right in front of Brock's gear!). The sound was very good, made me > realise just how much difference a decent pa makes. One woman sat on > the stage next to the right hand speaker-stack for the entire gig, must > have been bliss. The band played the tightest, heaviest, dirtiest HW > set I think I've ever heard. There was just no stopping them, they > just belted out one rocker after another, very intense, totally > absorbing, a brutal sonic assault. There was some faffing around > before G F Demon but it didn't seem to matter - by the time they got to > The Right Stuff I was already convinced I'd never heard them play > better, but then maybe that was just the, er, "Amsterdam factor". I > didn't think they would carry Where... without the violin but it worked > fine. Assassins was the encore, and with all the hollering that > followed they could easily have come back and done another (I felt sure > they would come back on to do Silver Machine but it didn't happen). It > was just after 11pm by then so maybe there was a curfew. > > Now we all know that HW these days is *really* just Dave, Alan & > Richard, plus whoever else they can drag along, but it was still > astounding to see just how good those 3 chaps are when they really want > to be. Having said that, a big round of applause goes to Keith Barton > for adding some very nice sounds throughout. I'm reminded of the "trio > years" a decade or so ago when I always felt they needed another > musician to help fill out the sound, and then Jerry Richards stepped in > at Pentrich 1995 for just a couple of numbers and I thought "that's > it!". Well Keith B is kind of doing the same job only much better in > my view. "Icing on the cake" is a cliche but an apt one here. This > really does blow the whole line-up issue wide open - how do YOU want > your Hawkwind power-trio topped off in future? House? Barton? Capt > Black? Arthur? Harvey??! ...the debate starts here. Let's face it, > they can't afford to drag 'em ALL along can they? > > Not much of a track-by-track review but there ya go. This was a very > special HW gig for me. It was unique, a real one-off under-pressure > occasion that went incredibly well. Completely different to Hawkfest > only a week before - how many bands could pull off both? Thanks to the > band and the crew for going ahead with this date even though the > Cornberg Fest was cancelled, nice one folks. Roll on that autumn tour. > > :-))))))) > > AL > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 18 17:42:46 2003 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:42:46 +0100 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: > > > How embarrassing is it for Motorhead to be supporting Dio? > > > > Come on Lem, you can do better than that, surely? > > > > > > apparently not > a band's placng on the bill is determined in many ways, and two of the most > important ways are by the bands ticket sales on their last trip thru the area > and current national soundscan lp sales. I appreciate that - but who in their right mind buys Dio albums these days? Cheers, Rich. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 18 18:41:54 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:41:54 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:42:46 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> > How embarrassing is it for Motorhead to be supporting Dio? [snip Bob's all-too-sadly-accurate statement of the truths behind concert promotion] >I appreciate that - but who in their right mind buys Dio albums >these days? I can't answer that question (but I would bet that a lot more people attend his shows than buy his albums), but I had to add that I was listening to 'Heaven and Hell' for the first time in ages last weekend, and was struck with two thoughts: 1) The music is sooooo much better than the last two Ozzy-era Sabbath albums. 2) The lyrics are sooooooo completely ridiculous! (And Ian Gillan's autobiography has some hilarious anecdotes from the tour he did with Sabbath - complete with Stonehenge set that wouldn't fit the venues - involving a dwarf nicknamed "Ronnie".) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Aug 18 18:41:23 2003 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:41:23 +0000 Subject: HW, Brain: SLOTERDIJK setlist from Scattered Planets' space rock bbq: 8/16 Message-ID: We had a wonderfu time playing at Scattered Planets' private 'Space Rock' BBQ: Thanks to all the other bands and to all the folks in attendence; Our set was about 80% improvisation, so you will see some new titles here: Medium Trance intro> The Alien Inside You TTI ( Tiki Torch Invitation) Sonic Attack personnel: Mike Burro: synths, programming, loops & vocals Jay Adcock: synths & guitar Dark Lou: guitar textures, djembe Bob MCconnell; djembe Cheers! Mike PS: That's about it for summer dates, see you with The Brain Surgeons in October!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Aug 18 21:49:12 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:49:12 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: I wasn't surprised that Motorhead was opening the shows. Disappointed, yes, but not surprised. Dio came close to the mountaintop in America years ago. He definitely got closer to it than Motorhead ever did. As for Dio's last swing thru the states, I believe it was last summer as the opener on the Deep Purple-Scorpions show. I'd have to say you can't really give him credit for too many of those ticket sales. And, for the record, on that Friday night in Pittsburgh, PA, I saw more Motorhead shirts than Dio shirts. So there. --Nick From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 19 01:06:20 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:06:20 EDT Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/2003 5:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > but who in their right mind buys Dio albums these days? > other elves? From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 19 01:07:40 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:07:40 EDT Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > 'Heaven and Hell' for the first time in ages last weekend, > and was struck with two thoughts: > > 1) The music is sooooo much better than the last two Ozzy-era Sabbath > albums. > 2) The lyrics are sooooooo completely ridiculous! > here here! From youless at COX.NET Tue Aug 19 02:20:01 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:20:01 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Festival 2003 Message-ID: I have just added a lengthy 3-part HawkFest report and photos to my website, Starfarer's Hawkwind Page, at http://www.starfarer.net Click on 'What's New' or 'Gig/Tour/Festival Reviews' from the index page for quickest access. Lots more photos to come... Steve From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Aug 19 07:19:21 2003 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:19:21 +0800 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: > I appreciate that - but who in their right mind buys Dio albums these days? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > Why, he's come a long way since The Butterfly Ball... Bill From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Tue Aug 19 08:12:33 2003 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:12:33 +0100 Subject: HW:Melkweg/Hawkfest Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >No! NO! We need more Barton! Alan Linsley wrote: >Having said that, a big round of applause goes to Keith Barton >for adding some very nice sounds throughout. I'm reminded of the "trio... > Well Keith B is kind of doing the same job only much better in >my view. "Icing on the cake" is a cliche but an apt one here. Now, I don't like the way these comments are going. My personal opinion is that Barton should not be playing anything musical at all, but should stick to carrying, setting up and operating projectors which he is known to be very good at. This is a totally unbiased opinion of course. ;-) Neil. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Aug 19 08:28:01 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:28:01 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH In-Reply-To: <15f.2498271a.2c730a9c@aol.com> Message-ID: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > 'Heaven and Hell' for the first time in ages last weekend, > and was struck with two thoughts: > > 1) The music is sooooo much better than the last two Ozzy-era Sabbath > albums. > 2) The lyrics are sooooooo completely ridiculous! I wonder why Geezer Butler let Dio (or Gillan) write any lyrics. Was it Tony's decision as "leader" of Sabbath? Or would Ronnie's ego not let him sing for a band without being its lyricist as well? I wish Ian Gillan had stuck it out with Black Sabbath for a few more albums. With the lessons learned from Born Again, it would have been interesting to see where they could've taken the music. Brian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 19 08:43:30 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:43:30 +0100 Subject: HW:Melkweg/Hawkfest In-Reply-To: Chaosillumination's message of Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: Chaosillumination writes: > My personal opinion is that Barton should not be playing anything > musical at all, but should stick to carrying, setting up and operating > projectors which he is known to be very good at. > This is a totally unbiased opinion of course. ;-) Hey, I meant to catch you folks after the Hawkfest gig: Totally AMAZING lightshow! Well done! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 19 08:45:24 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:45:24 +0100 Subject: Warning: email virus Message-ID: Looks like there's an email attachment with a virus doing the rounds rather aggressively. It's faked messages from my address, seemingly to other random addresses. Since it's my unix mail address, I know it's not from an infected machine of mine. Anyway, if anyone gets email from me with an attachment, DO NOT OPEN it. Mike From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 19 10:49:37 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:49:37 EDT Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2003 8:28:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: > I wonder why Geezer Butler let Dio (or Gillan) write any lyrics. Was it > Tony's decision as "leader" of Sabbath? Or would Ronnie's ego not let him > sing for a band without being its lyricist as well? > > I wish Ian Gillan had stuck it out with Black Sabbath for a few more albums. > With the lessons learned from Born Again, it would have been interesting to > see where they could've taken the music. > > it was part of dio's agrrement with the band. yeeeesh.... gillan's time in sabbath was 'interesting'; i think you're right, the next lp probably would have been killer, had he really committed but he was only 'killing time' before blackmore wound up rainbow so they could pull purple mkII back together. gillan describes his decision to join sabbath in his book as a 'favor to tony'. bobm From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 19 16:41:09 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:41:09 -0400 Subject: HW:Melkweg/Hawkfest In-Reply-To: <007b01c3664b$2bfeb900$0100a8c0@inspire1>; from Chaosillumi@CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 01:12:33PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 01:12:33PM +0100, Chaosillumination wrote: > My personal opinion is that Barton should not be playing anything musical at > all, but should stick to carrying, setting up and operating projectors which > he is known to be very good at. Well, you know I'd be glad to fill in for him whenever I can -- which is all too rarely, alas! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 19 17:08:34 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:08:34 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:49:12 -0400, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: >And, for the record, on that Friday night in Pittsburgh, PA, I saw >more Motorhead shirts than Dio shirts. So there. ;^) But aren't Motorhead the top band known for selling more t-shirts than actual albums (I'm pretty sure Lemmy even mentions this in his autobiography)? -Doug (who wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Dio t-shirt!) jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 19 17:31:08 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:31:08 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH In-Reply-To: <155.22f701ff.2c739301@aol.com>; from RMayo19761@AOL.COM on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:49:37AM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:49:37AM -0400, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM wrote: > gillan describes his decision to join sabbath in his book as a > 'favor to tony'. But then, in his book he's also pretty dismissive of J. C. Superstar, which I think to be some of his best work. Go figure. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Aug 19 18:21:58 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:58 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: Sorta like the line from "We Are Motorhead". . . "We are the ones you heard of, but you've never heard." Let's put it this way, though: I'm willing to bet Motorhead sells more t-shirts than Dio sells albums. And at 35 bucks a pop, I'd rather sell a shirt than a record. I bet the clothing company takes less off the top than a record label anyway. --Nick >But aren't Motorhead the top band known for selling >more t-shirts than >actual albums (I'm pretty sure Lemmy even mentions >this in his >autobiography)? > > -Doug (who wouldn't be caught dead wearing a >Dio t-shirt!) > jasret at mindspring.com From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Aug 19 18:27:04 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:27:04 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: Shall I risk being attacked and insulted? In the grand scheme of things, who cares, right? I happen to like "Born Again". Obviously, it doesn't represent the best of either Sabbath or Gillan by a long shot. But there's some good stuff on there, and you can't deny "Zero the Hero" was an instant classic, tho it would have been better without the murky production. But I can listen to that album start to finish and enjoy every track at least a little bit. I must admit, though, that after "Perfect STrangers", I lost all interest in what Gillan and Sabbath might have done with a second album. BTW, I just found out Deep Purple has been previewing a track a day from the upcoming album, "Bananas", on Deep-Purple.com. The one that's playing today is pretty cool. --Nick >> gillan describes his decision to join sabbath in >his book as a >> 'favor to tony'. > >But then, in his book he's also pretty dismissive >of J. C. >Superstar, which I think to be some of his best >work. Go figure. > >-- > >| | /\ >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. >erics at telepres.com >| | / >When I came back around from the dark side, there >in front of me would >be the landing area where the crew was, and the >Earth, all in the view >of my window. I couldn't help but think that there >in front of me was >all of humanity, except me. > - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module >Pilot From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Aug 19 18:35:08 2003 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:35:08 -0400 Subject: HAWK: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 Message-ID: Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind - http://www.space-rock.co.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=680&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 19 19:11:11 2003 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:11:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 In-Reply-To: ; from ma-paharper@IOPENER.NET on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:08PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:08PM -0400, Tim wrote: > Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind With no fewer than four tracks by current or ex-members (4.5, if you want to make Keef blush and stammer a bit :-) How many bands would that happen to? Too funny. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / When I came back around from the dark side, there in front of me would be the landing area where the crew was, and the Earth, all in the view of my window. I couldn't help but think that there in front of me was all of humanity, except me. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 19 19:19:03 2003 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:19:03 -0400 Subject: Trip to the Melkweg Message-ID: This was a very well executed gig. The sound system was clear as a bell and so well balanced I could hear most of the lyrics, the lights were excellent and Hawkwind played what sounded like an almost faultless set. The atmosphere was great with a good turnout of Dutch freaks and the venue was perfect for the size of the crowd. The set list was a little short but I guess that was down to the absence of Arthur and Simon. Otherwise I enjoyed it alot and met a few new people. It reminded my friend of why he used to be into Hawkwind and now he's getting back into them again. It makes a good gig when it all comes together like that. Alastair. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 19 19:27:46 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:27:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:11:11 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:08PM -0400, Tim wrote: >> Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind > >With no fewer than four tracks by current or ex-members (4.5, if >you want to make Keef blush and stammer a bit :-) ... and about the same number of tracks (or more?) by bands featuring members of this list (and/or the Yahoo! one) ... hmmmmm ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 20 01:09:31 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:09:31 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:27:04 -0400, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: >Shall I risk being attacked and insulted? In the grand scheme of things, who cares, right? > >I happen to like "Born Again". Obviously, it doesn't represent the best of either Sabbath or Gillan by a long shot. But there's some good stuff on there, and you can't deny "Zero the Hero" was an instant classic, tho it would have been better without the murky production. > >But I can listen to that album start to finish and enjoy every track at least a little bit. Me too. It's not the sort of thing one admits in polite company, or any company at all come to think of it. But that album (or parts of it at least) has been a "guilty pleasure" of mine ever since it came out. I think the Gillan/Sabbath phase attracts such derision for various reasons: 1. the fact that "Born Again" has possibly the most embarrassing artwork in the history of music 2. their habit of insulting everyone's intelligence by playing "Smoke on the Water" as an encore 3. the notorious Spinal Tap-style US tour with oversized Stonehenge stage set 4. Gillan's apparent inability to learn the lyrics of the old songs 5. the general perception (compounded by all the above) that the whole thing was a cynical exercise in milking the respective fanbases All of which has, I think, tended to obscure the fact that the album in question is quite a bit better than most people would have you believe. Mind you, I have no idea how it compares to any of the subsequent Tony Iommi (or "Black Sabbath" as he insisted on calling himself) solo albums, as it's the last Sabbath album I ever bought- see point 5 above for the reason. > >I must admit, though, that after "Perfect STrangers", I lost all interest in what Gillan and Sabbath might have done with a second album. I don't possess anything by Deep Purple, believing them to have been rather self-indulgent and overrated (hold the flamethrowers, guys). However I'll happily concede they had their merits, unlike Dio- in fact I'm absolutely staggered to learn that Dio are still going- does he still specialise in appalling Dungeons and Dragons-style dreck with mention of rainbows in every bloody song? Nick From youless at COX.NET Wed Aug 20 02:33:54 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:33:54 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Festival 2003 Message-ID: A further 70 HawkFest photos, spread across 6 new photo galleries, have been added to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page, at http://www.starfarer.net Click on 'What's New' from the index page for quickest access. More to follow... Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 20 06:26:28 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:26:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:11:11 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:08PM -0400, Tim wrote: > > Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind > > With no fewer than four tracks by current or ex-members (4.5, if > you want to make Keef blush and stammer a bit :-) How many bands > would that happen to? So will Andy G be stocking ths one? FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Aug 20 08:39:02 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:39:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple Bananas (was OFF Dio/MH) In-Reply-To: <200308192227.SAA56553@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > BTW, I just found out Deep Purple has been previewing a track a day from the > upcoming album, "Bananas", on > Deep-Purple.com. The one that's playing today is pretty cool. Also, http://www.thehighwaystar.com has :30 clips of every song, as well as some reviews. What I've heard is closer to the variety of Purpendicular than to their most recent album, Abandon. Brian From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 20 08:44:48 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:44:48 EDT Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2003 1:10:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > does he still specialise in > appalling Dungeons and Dragons-style dreck with mention of rainbows in > every bloody song? > rainbows, life is a wheel, chains, guardians, masters, mystical magical swords, oh my bobm From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Aug 20 09:39:46 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:39:46 -0400 Subject: OFF Dio/MH Message-ID: Sure, in the grand scheme of things, Dio comes off as kinda lame these days. But he does have some good songs. I was kind of won over by "Killing the Dragon" when he opened with it. None of the other new stuff I've heard seemed any good though. (--Gimme a break. I gotta find something to enjoy about his performances. I've seen him twice in the space of a year, for crying out loud. Damn these package tours!!!) --Nick >> does he still specialise in >> appalling Dungeons and Dragons-style dreck with >mention of rainbows in >> every bloody song? >> > >rainbows, life is a wheel, chains, guardians, >masters, mystical magical >swords, oh my >bobm From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Aug 20 11:38:10 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:38:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 Message-ID: Tim hat geschrieben... >Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind Wow...this looks really great. Only two tracks from the HW Covers All series I think. :) >Quarkspace ; Quark Strangers and Charm Tho' I badgered Paul Williams several times about sending me a digital file with their live recording of this, and now I see I needn't have bothered. (And he didn't get it to me in time anyway.) So, this is (probably) the live recording from Quarkstock 2000 (? or whenever it was...there was only one, so shouldn't be any confusion there), with Richie Orlando (Alien Planetscapes) on guitar. Though IIRC, you will hear a few curious 'empty' bars until his solo starts 'cause Richie spent the whole first half of the song trying to get plugged in and audible. Doug P. will love this rendition 'cause of its e-piano 'jazz-fusion' flavor. :) >Circle ; Don't Understand This could be interesting... Grakkl (FAA) From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 20 17:15:51 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:15:51 +0000 Subject: Trip to the Melkweg Message-ID: star MR! I'm still blown away by the fest! Hope Harvey sticks around ! Was he there? I at m listening to all the 80's stuff!! Wild (on walkman!?) cheers AL>Heres to Huw tooo >From: Alastair >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Trip to the Melkweg >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:19:03 -0400 > >This was a very well executed gig. The sound system was clear as a bell and >so well balanced I could hear most of the lyrics, the lights were excellent >and Hawkwind played what sounded like an almost faultless set. The >atmosphere was great with a good turnout of Dutch freaks and the venue was >perfect for the size of the crowd. The set list was a little short but I >guess that was down to the absence of Arthur and Simon. Otherwise I enjoyed >it alot and met a few new people. It reminded my friend of why he used to >be into Hawkwind and now he's getting back into them again. It makes a good >gig when it all comes together like that. > >Alastair. _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 20 17:26:11 2003 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:26:11 +0000 Subject: Trip to the Melkweg Message-ID: thanks so much for that!! I really get the feeling Hawkwind are are on ball bustin top form!! We few know wot they can do!! I just wish I wa' there!! AL >From: Alan Linsley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Trip to the Melkweg >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:49:56 +0100 > >Hi All > >In case you can't be bothered to read all this waffle, what it boils >down to is - HW played an absolute blinder of a gig last night. > >For me the evening's entertainment began with a few of us trying and >failing to get in to the soundcheck. From outside we could hear a very >strong run through of The Right Stuff, which just whetted my appetite >for the gig. However, the word on the street was that neither Simon or >Arthur were with them, so Keith Barton would be filling in on guitar >again. A HW gig without Simon House? A worrying prospect, especially >given how far I'd travelled to see this one. Would it come up to >scratch without that violin sound? This was definitely a situation >that needed some thoughtful preparation. So we went to the pub. > >The meet at The Bulldog went well, so it's a big "Hi" to all the >various people I sat and drank over-priced Heineken with over the 2 >evenings that we congregated there - Filip "I have 246 versions of >Silver Machine" Vanhuyse and his long-suffering wife, Alisa, Tommy and >his other half, Rob Dreamworker (you again), mango Steve, Michael >Blackman and (let's not forget the sizeable German contingent that >included...) Andreas, Rainer & Christos. A few hours of chatting about >HW, watching the Amsterdam nightlife and eagerly anticipating take-off >;-) > >The Melkweg doors opened about 9pm, and we all had to pay an extra >e2.50 "membership" fee before we could get in. The place soon filled >out nicely (it's only a small club), there was no support, and the band >hit the stage around 9:35/9:40. > >Line-up was Dave, Alan and Richard, with Keith Barton on guitar (he >played throughout, not just here and there). Dibs did the vocals on >Abducted as he did at Hawkfest. Set list was (I *think*) - > >Arrival In Utopia >The Watcher >Master Of The Universe >Wings >Brainbox Pollution >The Right Stuff >Green Finned Demon >Abducted >Angela Android >Assault & Battery >The Golden Void >Where Are They Now? >Assassins Of Allah > >And it was stunning, or at least it was from where I was standing >(right in front of Brock's gear!). The sound was very good, made me >realise just how much difference a decent pa makes. One woman sat on >the stage next to the right hand speaker-stack for the entire gig, must >have been bliss. The band played the tightest, heaviest, dirtiest HW >set I think I've ever heard. There was just no stopping them, they >just belted out one rocker after another, very intense, totally >absorbing, a brutal sonic assault. There was some faffing around >before G F Demon but it didn't seem to matter - by the time they got to >The Right Stuff I was already convinced I'd never heard them play >better, but then maybe that was just the, er, "Amsterdam factor". I >didn't think they would carry Where... without the violin but it worked >fine. Assassins was the encore, and with all the hollering that >followed they could easily have come back and done another (I felt sure >they would come back on to do Silver Machine but it didn't happen). It >was just after 11pm by then so maybe there was a curfew. > >Now we all know that HW these days is *really* just Dave, Alan & >Richard, plus whoever else they can drag along, but it was still >astounding to see just how good those 3 chaps are when they really want >to be. Having said that, a big round of applause goes to Keith Barton >for adding some very nice sounds throughout. I'm reminded of the "trio >years" a decade or so ago when I always felt they needed another >musician to help fill out the sound, and then Jerry Richards stepped in >at Pentrich 1995 for just a couple of numbers and I thought "that's >it!". Well Keith B is kind of doing the same job only much better in >my view. "Icing on the cake" is a cliche but an apt one here. This >really does blow the whole line-up issue wide open - how do YOU want >your Hawkwind power-trio topped off in future? House? Barton? Capt >Black? Arthur? Harvey??! ...the debate starts here. Let's face it, >they can't afford to drag 'em ALL along can they? > >Not much of a track-by-track review but there ya go. This was a very >special HW gig for me. It was unique, a real one-off under-pressure >occasion that went incredibly well. Completely different to Hawkfest >only a week before - how many bands could pull off both? Thanks to the >band and the crew for going ahead with this date even though the >Cornberg Fest was cancelled, nice one folks. Roll on that autumn tour. > >:-))))))) > >AL > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 20 17:32:39 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:32:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 Message-ID: Should be instock here at CDS any time now I think for those that need to know. And Scottish fans can catch us live in person at the Glasgow Record Fair on sat 30th august and the Dundee record fair on sun 31st of august. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 > Tim hat geschrieben... > > >Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind > > Wow...this looks really great. Only two tracks from > the HW Covers All series I think. :) From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 20 17:35:13 2003 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:35:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 Message-ID: Yes - see pevious posting. Also in stock this week will be the new "Greasy Truckers 2003" CD featuring four live tracks from Nik's Space ritual.net recorded at the event, plus tracks from Tractor, Guitar George, Kid Strange , all recorded at the event. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: Space Rock News - 19 August 2003 > Eric Siegerman writes: > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:08PM -0400, Tim wrote: > > > Daze of The Underground - A Tribute to Hawkwind > > > > With no fewer than four tracks by current or ex-members (4.5, if > > you want to make Keef blush and stammer a bit :-) How many bands > > would that happen to? > > So will Andy G be stocking ths one? > > FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 20 17:44:18 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:44:18 +0100 Subject: HW:Melkweg/Hawkfest Message-ID: "Barton"..."very good at" Shurely Shome Mishtake! :) Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaosillumination" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: HW:Melkweg/Hawkfest > M Holmes wrote: > >No! NO! We need more Barton! > > Alan Linsley wrote: > >Having said that, a big round of applause goes to Keith Barton > >for adding some very nice sounds throughout. I'm reminded of the "trio... > > Well Keith B is kind of doing the same job only much better in > >my view. "Icing on the cake" is a cliche but an apt one here. > > Now, I don't like the way these comments are going. > > My personal opinion is that Barton should not be playing anything musical at > all, but should stick to carrying, setting up and operating projectors which > he is known to be very good at. > > This is a totally unbiased opinion of course. ;-) > > Neil. > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Aug 21 10:42:45 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:42:45 +0200 Subject: Deep Purple Bananas (was OFF Dio/MH) Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > BTW, I just found out Deep Purple has been previewing a track a day from > the upcoming album, "Bananas", on Deep-Purple.com. "I'd like to hear 'Bananas,' rather than the Stones... I liked 'Mary-Long-a,' but hope it's not here cloned." Grakkl (FAA) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Aug 21 12:31:00 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:31:00 +0200 Subject: (a little) HW: Lemmy vs. Ronnie Message-ID: Hey all... >Motorhead To Be Inducted Into The Rock Walk Of Fame! > >Motorhead is being inducted into the Hollywood Rock >Walk of Fame on September 1st at 2pm. The Rock Walk >is located at 7425 Sunset Blvd in Hollywood, CA. http://rockwalk.com/HomePage.shtml Ronnie can only claim that he belongs as part of Black Sabbath (the picture of which on the Rock Walk site of course featuring the original lineup with Ozzy, and fails to mention Ronnie or anybody else apart from mentioning "many personnel changes" since). Oddly, Deep Purple (like the really stupid one in Cleveland) is also not included, though 'the Man in Black(more)' is there by himself. Or maybe they only inducted his ego? Or wig? Or perhaps they saved walk space by sorta inducting Deep Purple & Rainbow simultaneously by actually inducting neither. 'Cause they've been stupidly wasting it elsewhere by inducting not only Van Halen, but both brothers individually as well (why?!). (But not Diamond Dave I'm happy to see.) :) And then they induct two members of Cream (giving it the only other Hawkwind member to be found), leaving out the most famous one and also the band itself? Page and Bonham but no Plant (or Jones), and no Zeppelin. And Lou Reed, but no VU (the only thing the Cleveland one got right). Keith Moon, nothing else from the Who. This thing is totally arbitrary! Maybe they only do it when various people are available to show up & 'accept.' So whoever they see walking down the street one day and can pull aside, they induct. "Hey, there goes Gary Brooker! Yeah, why not?...Whiter Shade of Pale still gets radio play." (BTW, I'll probably check them out here in Zuerich in December...anybody hear the new album? Any good?) (Scratch that...the Rock Walk seems to have started in 1985... Keith Moon was hardly available to accept anything, not even another drink.) >MOTORHEAD TO ISSUE FIVE-CD, 99-SONG BOX SET 'STONE DEAF >FOREVER!' ON METAL-IS/SANCTUARY ON OCTOBER 7, 2003 Awright, who's going to buy this thing just for the 'never-before-released so-called-bootleg-version' of "Silver Machine"??? Grakkl (FAA), who admits to seeing Dio on the Holy Diver tour of c. 1983 and even 'pre-MTV and pre-shoe-wielding-madwoman' Whitesnake (both the Moody/Marsden lineup in '80 and the Galley/Powell lineup in c. '83)...the former also featuring a pre-Bruce totally-unknown (to me) Iron Maiden...and Judas Priest as headliner. Rob is *really* back in Priest? Hey Rupert! Here's a new reality show idea for ya': "Queer Eye for the Skinhead." P.S. Ripper has 'parted amicably' it says. Hmmmm...not such an interesting plotline for the 'Rockstar' sequel. P.P.S. Thank goodness Motley Crue is part of the Rock Walk...I wonder what bodypart Tommy Lee used to make his imprint? From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Aug 21 14:36:58 2003 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:36:58 -0400 Subject: >>> keith.henderson@PSI.CH 08/21/03 12:31PM >>> Message-ID: >>> keith.henderson at PSI.CH 08/21/03 12:31PM >>> Hey all... Ronnie can only claim that he belongs as part of Black Sabbath (the picture of which on the Rock Walk site of course featuring the original lineup with Ozzy, and fails to mention Ronnie or anybody else apart from mentioning "many personnel changes" since). Well, maybe they just couldn't see Ronnie way down there? He'd be a great addition to B?C if EB took a Sabbatical! Oddly, Deep Purple (like the really stupid one in Cleveland) is also not included, though 'the Man in Black(more)' is there by himself. Or maybe they only inducted his ego? Or wig? You'd need a pretty big hall for either one... Or perhaps they saved walk space by sorta inducting Deep Purple & Rainbow simultaneously by actually inducting neither. 'Cause they've been stupidly wasting it elsewhere by inducting not only Van Halen, but both brothers individually as well (why?!). (But not Diamond Dave I'm happy to see.) :) And then they induct two members of Cream (giving it the only other Hawkwind member to be found), leaving out the most famous one and also the band itself? Page and Bonham but no Plant (or Jones), and no Zeppelin. And Lou Reed, but no VU (the only thing the Cleveland one got right). Keith Moon, nothing else from the Who. This thing is totally arbitrary! Maybe they only do it when various people are available to show up & 'accept.' So whoever they see walking down the street one day and can pull aside, they induct. "Hey, there goes Gary Brooker! Yeah, why not?...Whiter Shade of Pale still gets radio play." (BTW, I'll probably check them out here in Zuerich in December...anybody hear the new album? Any good?) Not so much arbitraty, as who will pay for the star. The 'artists' have to pay for that shit themselves if they want a star! I bet Jimmy Page doesn't have one, as Led Wallet doesn't pay for anything! theo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 21 17:01:51 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:01:51 EDT Subject: (a little) HW: Lemmy vs. Ronnie Message-ID: In a message dated 8/21/2003 12:31:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > Awright, who's going to buy this thing just for the > 'never-before-released so-called-bootleg-version' of > "Silver Machine"??? > not many... most will buy it for the 14 never-officially-available BBC tracks, which are all EXCELLENT bobm From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Thu Aug 21 18:37:04 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:37:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead Goes 'Stone Deaf' Message-ID: Motorhead Goes 'Stone Deaf' With Box - from Billboard The output of legendary metal act Motorhead will be celebrated Oct. 7 with the Metal-Is/Sanctuary release of the five-CD box set "Stone Deaf Forever!" The first Motorhead-approved box set, "Stone Deaf" will feature 99 tracks spanning the group's career. Formed by vocalist/bassist Lemmy Kilmister, late of Hawkwind, in 1975, Motorhead honed its battering blend of speed-metal rock through a plethora of lineup changes. "Stone Deaf" includes recordings stretching from the band's early days through 2002. The hits and rarities will be complemented by 19 previously unreleased tracks and decorated with a 60-page booklet featuring essays and unpublished photos. Of the set's five discs, four are organized chronologically, with the first covering 1975-1980, the second 1981-1986, the third 1987-1996 and the fourth 1996-2002. The fifth is a live disc spanning 1975-2002. The unreleased tracks stem from a BBC "Peel Session" in 1978 ("Louie Louie," "Keep Us on the Road," "Tear Ya Down" and "I'll Be Your Sister"), as well as BBC Sessions from 1980 and 1986 featuring "Live To Win," "Like a Nightmare," "Killed by Death," "Deaf Forever," "Orgasmatron" and "Dr. Rock." Motorhead's current lineup of Kilmister, drummer Mikkey Dee and guitarist Philip Campbell is on a summer North American tour with Iron Maiden and Dio (the elf you love to hate "). Last September, the band released a 25th anniversary DVD, "25 & Alive: Boneshaker: Live at the Brixton Academy" featuring guest performances by Brian May (Queen), Whitfield Crane (Medicine, Ugly Kid Joe), and former Motorhead guitarist "Fast" Eddie Clark. -- Troy Carpenter, N.Y From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Thu Aug 21 19:37:55 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:37:55 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: 'Heaven and Hell' for the first time in ages last weekend, and was struck with two thoughts: The music is so much better than the last two Ozzy-era Sabbath albums. The lyrics are sooooooo completely ridiculous! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Man, you guys have alot of love for DIO! ") some thoughts on recent discussions...... Holy Diver IS a pretty darn good record IMHO. Rainbow in the Dark - yep - sick of it years ago! ...but I would rather hear that than Stairway to Heaven- YUCK!! Of course, it came out my senior year of high school and I was into that stuff back then. I liked The Last In Line, but not as much as HD. Sacred Heart got alot of play at the Dawg House in Bowling Green, Ohio where I spent my time partying. It probably got played because it was a shiny new compact disc - at the time - and none of us poor college kids owned that many.... He put on a pretty cool show back then, if you were into the castles and dragons kinda thang - which I was at the time. As far as Dio's output w/ Sabbath - Heaven & Hell was and still is a killer record and one of the best Sabbath records ever released. It certainly blows away Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die w/ great ease!! I know in our household, Heaven & Hell got as much or maybe more airplay than any other Sabbath release and is probably tied w/ Master of Reality and Paranoid for my favorite all-time Sabbath release. The Mob Rules is also a hell of alot better than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die. Dehumanizer is garbage! Ozzy has always been alot of fun, but as far as a singer - Dio has a much better voice. Rainbow Rising is a killer record and that is because of Dio. Do you really think Ozzy could do Stargazer justice? How about Ian Gillan?? No way!! Graham Bonnet certainly failed miserably. Maybe, I like Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules because I was already a fan of Dio's voice from his work w/ Rainbow...... I DO know that I am not into his music anymore and have not been for over 15 years. Still, it's fun to breakout some of those classics from my youth........ aaaaaah youth - where did it go!?! Born Again - I agree - terrible cover. The song 'Trashed' is smokin though ..... ") Someone said that they did not buy any of the post - Dio - Sabbath records and did not know if they were any good. IMHO, the best one - by far - is Seventh Star. The song writing is pretty darn good and Glenn Hughes handles the vocals surprisingly well. There are a couple of love songs on it that aren't bad by any means and possibly could be about Iommi's failed relationship w/ the under-rated guitarist and totally hot Lita Ford. Eternal Idol - is not bad, but not nearly as good as Seventh Star. Tony Martin handles the vocals quite well. However, the lyrics and song writing don't quite hit the mark. Headless Cross - has it's moments. If you like the dearly departed Cozy Powell - you might want it. His signature drum sound makes for some serious power. Tony Martin does a fine job on vocals again, but once again - the lyrics and song writing don't quite hit the mark. Both of these release have a bit of a Deep Purple feel to them. However, they are much darker - as they should be...... I don't own TYR, Cross Purposes or Forbidden. Anybody care to chime in on those releases??? Dragon Rider From chip at PCC.COM Thu Aug 21 20:52:27 2003 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:52:27 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio [Or: IN DEFENSE OF TE and NSD] In-Reply-To: <061a01c3683d$3f3d94c0$33438118@se1.client2.attbi.com>; from Farflung@COMCAST.NET on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:37:55PM -0400 Message-ID: DRider wrote: > The Mob Rules is also a hell of alot > better than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die. I'd just like to toss in a positive vote for both TE and NSD. Sure, they're no Sabotage or anything, but c'mon: Never Say Die Johnny Blade Hard Road Back Street Kids You Won't Change Me (the solo, anyway) All Moving Parts Dirty Women Even Air Dance, Junior's Eyes, She's Gone, and a few others aren't bad. Sure - Rock+Roll Doctor is embarrassing, but if you put it on Eternal Idol, Seventh Star, Headless Cross, you'd call it "good." -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St., Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Smarter Pediatric Practices From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 22 01:38:27 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:38:27 EDT Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: In a message dated 8/21/2003 7:36:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Farflung at COMCAST.NET writes: > Do you really > think Ozzy could do Stargazer justice? How about Ian Gillan?? No way!! > wow do i have to VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE with you here. it's certainly Dio's song, but i would LOVE to hear Gillan's take on it.... 'No way!!' seems a bit short-sighted... just my opinion bobm From gg at NINJANET.COM Fri Aug 22 04:07:05 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:07:05 +0200 Subject: Off: Dio In-Reply-To: <061a01c3683d$3f3d94c0$33438118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: DRider wrote: > Rainbow in the Dark - yep - sick of it years ago! I read in an old interview that this was a filler of the album ... ok, I think that's not and probably it's a song made to send to hell the old Rainbow and to thanks them (Like a rainbow in the dark) > Rainbow Rising is a killer record and that is because of Dio. Do you really > think Ozzy could do Stargazer justice? How about Ian Gillan?? No way!! > Graham Bonnet certainly failed miserably. 100%!! > I don't own TYR, Cross Purposes or Forbidden. Anybody care to chime in on > those releases??? I have TYR, and I think it sux. Really, I listened it once or twice, and I have no more courage to listen it. -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From gg at NINJANET.COM Fri Aug 22 04:47:12 2003 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:47:12 +0200 Subject: (a little) HW: Lemmy vs. Ronnie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Henderson wrote: > Awright, who's going to buy this thing just for the > 'never-before-released so-called-bootleg-version' of > "Silver Machine"??? there will be silver machine on the compilation!?!?!? So... we can probably listen it on tour?!?!?? YHOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Aug 22 07:51:40 2003 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:51:40 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: >>> Farflung at COMCAST.NET 08/21/03 07:37PM >>> In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: Dehumanizer is garbage! I kind of liked it. Certainly a couple of good tunes on there, and it was cool having Geezer back in the band. Sab without Geezer isn't worth listening to... Ozzy has always been alot of fun, but as far as a singer - Dio has a much better voice. True enough. Of all the Sab singers, I always thought Tony Martin had the best voice, but that doesn't nec. mean he was the best guy for the band... Someone said that they did not buy any of the post - Dio - Sabbath records and did not know if they were any good. IMHO, the best one - by far - is Seventh Star. The song writing is pretty darn good and Glenn Hughes handles the vocals surprisingly well. Glenn's a great singer for sure. Pretty good disc. Supposed to be a Tony solo disc, but apparently the label insisted on calling it a Sabbath disc... Eternal Idol - is not bad, but not nearly as good as Seventh Star. Tony Martin handles the vocals quite well. However, the lyrics and song writing don't quite hit the mark. Yeah, I think that's my main objection to having Tony in the group. The songwriting suffered with him on board... I don't own TYR, Cross Purposes or Forbidden. Anybody care to chime in on those releases??? Tyr is okay. Worthwhile just so you can hear Cozy Powell one last time. Anything Iommi plays on will always have interest for me... Cross Purposes? Kind of treading water, but hey, it features one Bobby Rondinelli on the skins, and he ain't exactly chopped liver... Forbidden--again, a chance to hear Cozy in action before his untimely death. And--big shocker, a great guest shot by--Ice T! The Illusion of Power is a great combination of Sabbath and Rap. No kidding...but I wouldn't want a whole album of it. But for one song, it's a great idea... theo From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Aug 22 09:08:54 2003 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:08:54 +0100 Subject: Nik: Creed CD on ebay Message-ID: Hi there, There is the Helios Creed CD "busting through the van allen belt" on ebay at the moment, for 1 cent. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1572&item=255217965 4 Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Aug 22 09:11:41 2003 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:11:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare Lemmy track on compilation CD on ebay Message-ID: A while ago there was a Queen covers CD that had Lemmy on it. I think a track from that is now on a compliation CD that is on ebay at the moment, for 1 cent. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1574&item=255217969 9 If it isn't, then I fear I have misled you. Auction to close in 9 hours. Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 22 09:38:48 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:38:48 +0100 Subject: More plugs for Hawkwind Message-ID: Got a letter about Hawkfest onto the "Have Your Say" section on the BBC website. They're now taking letters about rock after the Kerrang awards so it might be worth trying for a plug there too. FoFP From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 22 09:47:12 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:47:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Deep Purple Bananas Message-ID: > From: Henderson Keith > "I'd like to hear 'Bananas,' rather than the Stones... > I liked 'Mary-Long-a,' but hope it's not here cloned." > > Grakkl (FAA) Well, I got it...Keep On Crintin mate. ChrisW ObCD: Set Fire To Flames - telegraphs in negative/mouths trapped in static From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 22 09:48:09 2003 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:48:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Deep Purple Bananas Message-ID: > From: Henderson Keith > "I'd like to hear 'Bananas,' rather than the Stones... > I liked 'Mary-Long-a,' but hope it's not here cloned." > > Grakkl (FAA) Well, I got it...Keep On Crintin mate. ChrisW ObCD: Set Fire To Flames 'telegraphs in negative/mouths trapped in static' From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Aug 22 10:36:46 2003 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Tyr is okay. Worthwhile just so you can hear Cozy Powell one last time. > Anything > Iommi plays on will always have interest for me... I really enjoy Tyr and I think Tony Martin has an excellent voice. It doesn't sound like Black Sabbath to me--these '80s records were really Iommi solo albums after all--but I dig it's layered, atmospheric metal anyway. I guess I'm just a sucker for songs about Norse mythology and Ivan the Terrible. ;-) As far as Dio goes, he gets credit for 1.5 good Sabbath albums. H&H and a few tracks on Mob Rules. The only song I can still remember from Dehuminizer is TV Crime. That and the title, Letters From Earth, which at least shows Ronnie's read his Twain. Brian NP> Guided By Voices "Earthquake Glue" From youless at COX.NET Fri Aug 22 11:27:56 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:27:56 -0400 Subject: More plugs for Hawkwind Message-ID: Well done Mike! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3047269.stm is where you can read Mike's comment and/or post your own Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:38:48 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Got a letter about Hawkfest onto the "Have Your Say" section on the BBC >website. They're now taking letters about rock after the Kerrang awards >so it might be worth trying for a plug there too. > >FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 22 12:38:26 2003 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:38:26 +0100 Subject: More plugs for Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Steve Youles's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: Steve Youles writes: > Well done Mike! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3047269.stm is where you can read > Mike's comment and/or post your own The BBC tend to take more comments on new topics. Go to the main entertainment news page at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/default.stm then click on the "Rock's Return" story where there's a link to user comments about rock. I'm sure one of us can pick some wording that they'll publish... FoFP From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 22 16:03:50 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: So ... did anyone journeying to the Hawkfest from abroad get quizzed at immigration ... ? Asked to hum a few bars of "Brainstorm"? Had to identify which Hawkwind singer is deceased? Asked whether or not 'Yuri Gagarin' is a legitimate release? Forced to recite "Sonic Attack" to be allowed into the country for the event? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/3173439.stm -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 22 16:08:00 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:08:00 -0400 Subject: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: They didn't say anything to me. Last time I got asked a few dozen questions. They probably don't know who HW is. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz > So ... did anyone journeying to the Hawkfest from abroad get quizzed at > immigration ... ? Asked to hum a few bars of "Brainstorm"? Had to > identify which Hawkwind singer is deceased? Asked whether or not 'Yuri > Gagarin' is a legitimate release? Forced to recite "Sonic Attack" to be > allowed into the country for the event? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/3173439.stm > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Aug 22 16:43:06 2003 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz : :So ... did anyone journeying to the Hawkfest from abroad get quizzed at :immigration ... ? Asked to hum a few bars of "Brainstorm"? Had to :identify which Hawkwind singer is deceased? Asked whether or not 'Yuri :Gagarin' is a legitimate release? Forced to recite "Sonic Attack" to be :allowed into the country for the event? : :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/3173439.stm Yes, as they have been increasingly more suspicious of me getting into the country :-( Fortunately (maybe), though, most of the immmigration officers have never heard of HW, so no foolish singing required. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/ENSS/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Fri Aug 22 17:04:41 2003 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:04:41 +0200 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:43 22-8-2003 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Doug Pearson wrote: > >:Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz >: >:So ... did anyone journeying to the Hawkfest from abroad get quizzed at >:immigration ... ? Asked to hum a few bars of "Brainstorm"? Had to >:identify which Hawkwind singer is deceased? Asked whether or not 'Yuri >:Gagarin' is a legitimate release? Forced to recite "Sonic Attack" to be >:allowed into the country for the event? >: >:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/3173439.stm > >Yes, as they have been increasingly more suspicious of me getting into the >country :-( > >Fortunately (maybe), though, most of the immmigration officers have never >heard of HW, so no foolish singing required. > >Arin oooh yes they did !!! when i visited the uk from the netherlands in 1979 for a hawkwind gig the costum officer asked me where i was going to. i said enthusiastly ......to see hawkwind in london :) well then they started checking my bags,clothes everything. almost ever since then the customs check me when i try to enter the uk. it doesn't matter if i travel by plane, boat or jetfoil !!!! so now i NEVER EVER tell them that i go to see hawkwind. so still be careful !!! andre From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Fri Aug 22 23:56:24 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:56:24 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: VEHEMENTLY - great word ") don't get me wrong here Bob! I would love to hear him give it a shot but dig out those old DP records and then Rainbow Rising put it to the test the word is RANGE Gillan is great! -one of THE greatest What I am saying takes nothing away from that just not so sure he's STILL got the pipes...... short sited...........? reminds me of those football replays "you make the call ") - back in the day...... probably.... tough to say now though.......... maybe one of the reasons some of ya'll flame the elf so much is because he packs a pretty good punch lil' demon he is... of the 2 vocalists..... Gillan is superior overall as much as I like the song Stargazer I would much rather hear Highway Star I am just sayin - give DIO his do! none of those who bash him could hit the notes that he does none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore nothing even remotely close arms all worn in your chairs..... and as far as the "queer" remarks about Halford a) he has more talent in his shoe than Gillan or Dio b) at 52 years old - he STILL has a better voice than both of them combined c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) remarks to his face a (narrow) mind is a terrible thing to taste take the skinheads bowling....... Into The Pit! Dragon Rider PS Never Say Die and Johnny Blade are great songs! 2 songs out of 17 total - save your breath PPS SARDONIC - now - there's a word ") ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Off: Dio In a message dated 8/21/2003 7:36:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Farflung at COMCAST.NET writes: > Do you really > think Ozzy could do Stargazer justice? How about Ian Gillan?? No way!! wow do i have to VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE with you here. it's certainly Dio's song, but i would LOVE to hear Gillan's take on it.... 'No way!!' seems a bit short-sighted... just my opinion bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 23 00:36:02 2003 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (RMayo19761 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:36:02 EDT Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: In a message dated 8/23/2003 12:15:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Farflung at COMCAST.NET writes: > I am just sayin - give DIO his do! > i beleive i did; i said "it's certainly his song" none of those who bash him > could hit the notes that he does > none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore > nothing even remotely close > arms all worn in your chairs..... > hold on there... i was the vocalist in my band, ten yrs, 4 lps, 2 US and 3 Euro tours... and i ain't bashing, just saying that i think gillan would give him a run on that song, is all > a) he has more talent in his shoe than Gillan or Dio > b) at 52 years old - he STILL has a better voice than both of them combined > ok, i have to say it (although i realize i'm merely expressing opinion): that's just crazy-talk. From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Sat Aug 23 07:25:46 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:25:46 -0400 Subject: HW: NiK w/ Spaceseed Message-ID: Hey Now! Anyone who IS or MAY BE planning to attend ANY of the Spaceseed shows featuring NiK Turner - please contact me offlist. Thanx! D From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Aug 23 13:01:42 2003 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:01:42 +0200 Subject: HW:My trip to the Milkyway/Amsterdam Message-ID: Hello all, Well,had a swell time seeing Hawkwind in Amsterdam!! Njamie,njamie. This was it !! Imagine "The Business Trip Live" with the wah wah-distortion "A Space Ritual" guitar on top. Really a blinder.Was worth the trip. Was in Amsterdam the day before (only 210 km from my home) and having a nice trip with my wife.She went shopping for clothes as I did for records.Hawkwind records!,and that's a bummer in Amsterdam.I've already searched some 10 times in Amsterdam for Hawkwind records and never any luck.It's not what they have,it's simply they don't have any.The only record shops who have little are chains like Fame and Free Record Shop who then have a heavy selection of all mid-priced "Yuri Gagarin" Anyway,afterwards went for dinner and yes,it's as bad as in the uk and usa (what is it with you people?,ever heard of sofisticated food? Although I'm in no way to criticise as my father was a Michelin-star cook (as you can see on my stomach for those who know me)(it's been 15 kilos since I smoked my last sigarette) Well,this all hasn't got much to do with Hawkwind,I suppose. At 8 pm we set of to the Bulldog to meet some Hawkfriends and went straight inside to encounter a Disco-night ?!?? Drank a margaritta(nice one) and went outside to look for some Hawkwind t-shirts,lucky find some,and had a really nice chat with,well anyone.I can get quite social when on alcocholic stuff.(and yes Alan I've got 246 times "silver" but mostly on compilation albums,cd's,etc.).Must mention Alisia from Russia(Moskow) who was there !!! (her first ever Hawkwind concert !!) Brought back memories of my first one:Reading 75 (last one with Stacia)(I was only 16 years old!,my god!,now everybody's frantic counting how old I am) Countdown:Sunday:Hawkday Went for a long walk in the morning to clear my head and then went to a really nice Italian to get a meal (although not on the menu,had a really nice carpaggio and escaloppe,much better food than the day before,tip for travellers:when going italian,say how much money you want to spend and let them do the talking and picking!,you'll get food they serve to their mum,and their mum is the queen of their food) After eating went to my hotel to have a rest,but crossing the Leidsplein,just really bumped into Richard Chadwick and company,wacko.Richard say hi to me and I was just baffled as it had been 5 years we actually met (been to lot of Hawkwind concerts in the uk,but never went backstage)As we were talking,Alan Davey pointed me at the back of me,and then I knew: "This is going to be awesome".We talked for a little while,but then they wanted to have a coffee in a coffee-shop(hm-hm) and we went to our hotel(only 150 meters from the Melkweg and Leidseplein)to have that rest(although I was highstrung by that moment) and Alan telling me to come over for the soundcheck at 5-6 pm. Well,went there at 5pm,to see a lot of people were trying to get in,and the management wouldn't let anyone in. Such things happens.I'm actually not the guy who wants to get backstage every time.I had a invitation from Dave at Canterbury and never used it,I was enjoying myself way to much at the side and realising only afterwards:"oh my god,I haven't paid my respects to Dave". Anyway,went in with everybody(also must point out,I always pay(must have the ticket stub,you know,to put behind frame after glass)) ;-)) Then it was of to the merchandise stand,buying from Colin for some 80 euro. And this is fun:as we talked to each other,they all know me by name (filip hawknut) but they don't know how I look (kris and colin) and in the 90's(when they did a lot of continental concerts)colin,wasn't manager yet(although there used to be a tour manager,with a black moustache and curly hair who also called Colin?) and Kris I only seen once or twice.She actually thought I was a character looking like Trevor Hughes :/!,,????(had a great laugh about that) If you really(but you don't)want to know what I look like,I was the guy who helped Kris Tate behind the merchandise stand after the gig.Also a big thanks to the Holland guys who nicked the Hawkfest 2002 cd,they told me they payed to Kris and she couldn't remember,I'm sure they didn't pay to me,that's a real bummer guys,as the band has to pay themselves the records they sell,so way to go guys,you're really lucky I was in high-spirit,I know you,don't show up at a next hawkconcert,I get you personally without anyone knowing,and this I mean !!! (you're certainly not hawkfans) Now,happier notes, after helping Kris,went in search of the Hawklord himself and didn't have to look far,as I went halfway into the venue,he was waving to me(actually didn't know I was so well known)and sitting both on a flightcase we had a nice talk . Then we went backstage upstairs and had a long talk,signing session and really closing down the venue after a 3 time request from the Melkweg management to leave.I don't remember when we did get out,but the Bulldog was already closed. This was one of the highlight Hawkwind concerts. My wife (who bares with me,mea culpa) thought it was great(and that means something,when I want to put on something of music,she always says first:"No Hawkwind",but that probably has to do with the fact I always put Hawkwind on) I told you already about the gig at the start,but still want to point out Keith Barton,guitar Way,way much better than Jerry(who isn't ?,haven't said this,haven't said this,ducking,ducking,but I mean it) If you don't know who Keith is,he's the guitarplayer from Spacehead.(Mr.Dibbs you know) I must say he's really really good. He doesn't look like a Hawkwind member(short hair,etc.),but hey Keith I don't look like a Hawknut neither,don't I (had some great laughs,but keep up the good works and the wah wah) Again thanks to Dave,Kris,Richard,Alan,Keith,Colin,the roadcrew(never forget them),all the guys at the Bulldog. This is what keeps me going. greetings filip hawknut From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Aug 24 08:49:48 2003 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:49:48 -0400 Subject: Off: Dio Message-ID: The Tony Martin Sabbath albums are what they are. If you don't like 'em, or if you don't WANT to like 'em, that's cool. I think each one of them had at least one or two songs that are worth burning onto your next metal mix CD. . . although I'd limit it to one per disc. Iommi DID finally get to release a solo disc in the late '90s. It was touted as the heavy metal version of Santana. . . with different metal singers on each track. I never heard it, and commercially and critically, it went nowhere. --Nick >Theo wrote: > >> Tyr is okay. Worthwhile just so you can hear >Cozy Powell one last time. >> Anything >> Iommi plays on will always have interest for >me... From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Aug 24 09:58:01 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:58:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: An experienced voice says... >when i visited the uk from the netherlands in 1979 for a hawkwind gig the >costum officer asked me where i was going to. >i said enthusiastly ......to see hawkwind in london :) > >well then they started checking my bags,clothes everything. > >almost ever since then the customs check me when i try to enter the uk. >it doesn't matter if i travel by plane, boat or jetfoil !!!! > >so now i NEVER EVER tell them that i go to see hawkwind. Yeah, after enough shows in Toronto I learned the same (not specifically with Hawkwind, but any band). Plus, if you're travelling alone, have long hair, and say you're just going to be there one evening, then it starts to get more suspicious. And then you start answering detailed questions about what concert you're going to see ("Never heard of them") and what club it is ("Never heard of this place"), etc. When I went to see Pink Floyd in the old Exhibition Stadium (which I think has been torn down now hasn't it, Eric?), I actually did come across 'straight'...since I thought there would be lots of Buffalo folx driving up for it. And never ever take amphetamines in powder form! :) But at Luton immigration, I said merely, "I'm going up to the Lake District for a camping trip with friends." Which really was pretty much the truth, so... My only problem was that I had to wait a full hour to get up to the counter. During this time they waved through about a million people with UK, EU, Swiss, and other 'non-threatening' passports in another line, so I ended up behind just a small group of African, Canadian, and Middle Eastern folk, some of whom (guess who?) were getting serious looks. And so there I was still waiting long after my bag stopped rotating around the claim carousel, and was put aside. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Still don't understand why the Canadians (and Aussies too?) didn't get to go through the 'express' line, but that the Swiss were able to, since I guess they are part of something called EFTA, I think it was (what the heck does this mean?). From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Aug 24 10:21:06 2003 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:21:06 +0200 Subject: Sorry, OFF: Dio Message-ID: Sorry list, but... D-Rider responds most curiously... >and as far as the "queer" remarks about Halford >a) he has more talent in his shoe than Gillan or Dio >b) at 52 years old - he STILL has a better voice than both of them combined >c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) > remarks to his face > >a (narrow) mind is a terrible thing to taste Now, it takes quite a bit to get me annoyed, but you've managed to do it. 'Cause this is not the first time you've taken the liberty of extrapolating beyond the simple written word to insinuate some sort of ulterior motive or objective. On the other hand, it seems blatantly clear that you are labelling me as homophobic (and 'narrow-minded' at the same time) based (I can only assume) solely on the following statement of mine: >Rob is *really* back in Priest? Hey Rupert! Here's a new >reality show idea for ya': "Queer Eye for the Skinhead." which: No. 1, should be obvious that it was intended as a joke, making fun not of Rob Halford *anyway*, but rather Rupert Murdoch and his never-ending pursuit of sensationalist programming. And No. 2...insinuating that Rob Halford is 'queer' makes one obviously homophobic *how*? I mean, he *is* gay, no? ("Not that there's anything wrong with that," as Jerry S. would say.) OK, maybe you think that 'queer' suggests that one wishes to ridicule that sort of lifestyle. But you see, the TV show is *called* "Queer Eye..." right? What, you think *I'm* the one responsible for naming it so? Gimme a break. If I *hadn't* said *Queer* Eye, then nobody would have known what the hell I was referring to. Those (others) in Europe probably still don't know (or care really). Do us all a favor, and really stop thinking too much about what people write in their postings/emails. It's a very 'cold' style of communication, if you know what I mean. Sometimes people really just are saying what they're saying, and not what *you* think they're saying. You don't (really) know us, don't pretend like you do. That's all, sorry for wasting everybody's time... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I should have known to expect illogic based on that given in points a. and b. above. :) P.P.S. What two voices would anyone like to hear combined? I suggest Gilbert Gottfried and Fran Drescher...I'm convinced that if they talked at the same time, their voices would deconstructively interfere and we'd all hear nothing. At least I would hope this would be true. :) From youless at COX.NET Sun Aug 24 11:43:53 2003 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:43:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:58:01 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: P.S. Still don't understand why the Canadians (and Aussies too?) didn't get to go through the 'express' line, but that the Swiss were able to, since I guess they are part of something called EFTA, I think it was (what the heck does this mean?). ---------------------------------------------------- EFTA = European Free Trade Area. This was something actually set up by Britain, when de Gaulle refused us entry to the European Economic Community as it was then called. It still exists and countries affiliated to it are granted something like associate membership of the EU, that is, they get all the benefits and none of the disadvantages... I had the opposite problem to everyone else re: immigration. I had trouble *leaving* the UK, owing to the fact that I had packed some souvenir inert bullets in my luggage. These were for my son (11 years old, the same one who only likes Hawkwind for the explosions) and he and I had bought them at a couple of military museums we visited. We had already checked our luggage in at Gatwick when I was paged to go back to the check-in desk. I was told they had spotted somnething they weren't happy with in my bags and that the police were present! The boy and I ended up being interviewed by 2 armed cops (Heckler & Koch 9mm submachine guns) and a customs officer. Their opening gambit was "You appear to have ammunition in your suitcase" and I had to fish it out for them to inspect. They let us keep the bullets but confiscated my son's potato gun... So now Hawkwind fans are going to be regarded by UK Customs as not only potential drug smugglers but as arms smugglers too. I apologise in advance to anyone who ends up going to jail for several years on that account... Steve From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 24 15:43:53 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:43:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: EFTA = European Free Trade Area. Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: OFF: immigration trivia quiz > An experienced voice says... > > >when i visited the uk from the netherlands in 1979 for a hawkwind gig the > >costum officer asked me where i was going to. > >i said enthusiastly ......to see hawkwind in london :) > > > >well then they started checking my bags,clothes everything. > > > >almost ever since then the customs check me when i try to enter the uk. > >it doesn't matter if i travel by plane, boat or jetfoil !!!! > > > >so now i NEVER EVER tell them that i go to see hawkwind. > > Yeah, after enough shows in Toronto I learned the same (not specifically > with Hawkwind, but any band). Plus, if you're travelling alone, > have long hair, and say you're just going to be there one evening, > then it starts to get more suspicious. And then you start answering > detailed questions about what concert you're going to see ("Never > heard of them") and what club it is ("Never heard of this place"), > etc. When I went to see Pink Floyd in the old Exhibition Stadium > (which I think has been torn down now hasn't it, Eric?), I actually > did come across 'straight'...since I thought there would be lots of > Buffalo folx driving up for it. And never ever take amphetamines > in powder form! :) > > But at Luton immigration, I said merely, "I'm going up to the Lake > District for a camping trip with friends." Which really was pretty > much the truth, so... > > My only problem was that I had to wait a full hour to get up to the > counter. During this time they waved through about a million people > with UK, EU, Swiss, and other 'non-threatening' passports in another > line, so I ended up behind just a small group of African, Canadian, > and Middle Eastern folk, some of whom (guess who?) were getting > serious looks. And so there I was still waiting long after my bag > stopped rotating around the claim carousel, and was put aside. > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Still don't understand why the Canadians (and Aussies too?) > didn't get to go through the 'express' line, but that the Swiss > were able to, since I guess they are part of something called EFTA, > I think it was (what the heck does this mean?). > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 24 15:46:57 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:46:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: On a similar tack....I once got stopped at a German airport because they had found 3 live rounds in my suitcase; the odd thing was that I was flying INTO Germany and they had not been detected at all when leaving the UK. Now that was some interview Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: OFF: immigration trivia quiz > --------------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:58:01 +0200, Henderson Keith > wrote: > > > > P.S. Still don't understand why the Canadians (and Aussies too?) > didn't get to go through the 'express' line, but that the Swiss > were able to, since I guess they are part of something called EFTA, > I think it was (what the heck does this mean?). > ---------------------------------------------------- > EFTA = European Free Trade Area. This was something actually set up by > Britain, when de Gaulle refused us entry to the European Economic Community > as it was then called. It still exists and countries affiliated to it are > granted something like associate membership of the EU, that is, they get > all the benefits and none of the disadvantages... > > I had the opposite problem to everyone else re: immigration. I had trouble > *leaving* the UK, owing to the fact that I had packed some souvenir inert > bullets in my luggage. These were for my son (11 years old, the same one > who only likes Hawkwind for the explosions) and he and I had bought them at > a couple of military museums we visited. We had already checked our > luggage in at Gatwick when I was paged to go back to the check-in desk. I > was told they had spotted somnething they weren't happy with in my bags and > that the police were present! The boy and I ended up being interviewed by > 2 armed cops (Heckler & Koch 9mm submachine guns) and a customs officer. > Their opening gambit was "You appear to have ammunition in your suitcase" > and I had to fish it out for them to inspect. They let us keep the bullets > but confiscated my son's potato gun... > > So now Hawkwind fans are going to be regarded by UK Customs as not only > potential drug smugglers but as arms smugglers too. I apologise in advance > to anyone who ends up going to jail for several years on that account... > > Steve > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Aug 24 17:51:35 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Alien photos: the first ever and genuine? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3237766352&category=14895 Bidding has ended for this item From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 24 18:25:45 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:25:45 +0100 Subject: Dio Message-ID: A couple of points in response to this: 1. Darrin writes: "I am just sayin - give DIO his do! none of those who bash him could hit the notes that he does none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore nothing even remotely close arms all worn in your chairs....." Apart from commenting on the rather bizarre grammar, I would question the logic of this argument; do you imply that one can only criticise an artist if one has performed at the same level as that artist? This is such obvious nonsense; even someone who can neither sing nor play an instrument can discern the relative merits of different artists. For what it is worth, I feel that Ronnie is a decent vocalist who usually manages to write and perform the most dreadful material, which damages his reputation immensely. 2. Darrin writes: "c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) remarks to his face" I can find nothing homophobic in the original remarks; this seems like a ridiculous, if unfortunately typical, case of misrepresentation and over-reaction. I am also intrigued by the connection between intelligence and "guts"; is there some previously undiscovered correlation between intelligence and courage? Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:56 AM Subject: Off: Dio > VEHEMENTLY - great word ") > > don't get me wrong here Bob! > I would love to hear him give it a shot > but dig out those old DP records > and then Rainbow Rising > put it to the test > the word is RANGE > Gillan is great! -one of THE greatest > What I am saying takes nothing away from that > just not so sure he's STILL got the pipes...... > short sited...........? > reminds me of those football replays > "you make the call ") > > - back in the day...... probably.... > tough to say now though.......... > > maybe one of the reasons > some of ya'll flame the elf so much is because > he packs a pretty good punch > lil' demon he is... > > of the 2 vocalists..... > Gillan is superior overall > as much as I like the song Stargazer > I would much rather hear Highway Star > > I am just sayin - give DIO his do! > none of those who bash him > could hit the notes that he does > none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore > nothing even remotely close > arms all worn in your chairs..... > > and as far as the "queer" remarks about Halford > a) he has more talent in his shoe than Gillan or Dio > b) at 52 years old - he STILL has a better voice than both of them combined > c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) > remarks to his face > > a (narrow) mind is a terrible thing to taste > > take the skinheads bowling....... > > Into The Pit! > > Dragon Rider > > PS Never Say Die and Johnny Blade are great songs! > 2 songs out of 17 total - save your breath > > PPS SARDONIC - now - there's a word ") > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: Off: Dio > > In a message dated 8/21/2003 7:36:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Farflung at COMCAST.NET writes: > > > Do you really > > think Ozzy could do Stargazer justice? How about Ian Gillan?? No way!! > > wow do i have to VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE with you here. > it's certainly Dio's song, but i would LOVE to hear Gillan's take on it.... > 'No way!!' seems a bit short-sighted... > just my opinion > bobm > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 24 18:57:11 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:57:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Quimby's Beard + Harvey Bainbridge report (part only - it's long!) Message-ID: Here's a long report (cos it was a great gig and I'm going to make you all share it!) - in two parts and with apologies to Ian Rankin's "Inspector Rebus" whose reporting style I have, rather liberally, drawn on:- The Inspector was trapped in Edinburgh investigating the Fringe but rumours had reached him of strange events happening in a remote part of the Eastern coast somewhere north of Sunderland. "Mr Quimby's Beard" he mused "dinnae trust them - beards that is - go and check it out - you canna be too careful. There's something going on and I'm relying on you to find it out". I knew what I had to do and immediately started taking notes: Mr Quimby's Beard - history goes back at least 10 years - first live performance 1993 in the Sunderland area with Afresco Mantis - supported Hawkwind on tour and performed at Hawkfests 2002 and 2003. Hmm - 10 years of history, I mused, as well as Hawkwind links - this definitely needed further research. I boarded the train south - it was on time - more remarkably it was empty. Nothing suspicious here but I made a note that clearly the English taking a holiday and digging up the railways lines significantly improved the entire rail network as far as Scotland was concerned. The day was bright - the scenery superb - the journey swift and trouble free - within 2 hours or so I was outside my overnight accommodation - stunned. The coastal strip north of Sunderland was a fantastic clean extensive sandy beach framed by limestone cliffs - a calm sea - a hot sun bright day and it was almost deserted. Definitely something to be noted. Quick dinner, then a walk down to the venue tucked carefully out of sight off the main road - thanks to the directions I had there was no chance of missing it - which was worth noting down - as was the fact that the venue was severely short of audience although the band playing was extremely good - elegant flute playing with solid rock guitar backing. I made a note of their name: Alfresco Mantis - the band who had played with Quimby back in 1993 - and collected some evidence in the form of a CD "The Harris Tweed EP" - another Scottish connection I noted. On my return I swiftly played back the CD. Exactly what I suspected - a good, tight, powerful flowing sound - an excellent and professional band far too good to be unknown - this was vital information that needed to be passed on immediately. Back at the venue I was greeted by name as soon as I arrived not only by Marie (she and Neil were doing the lights) but by Hardy of Mr Quimby - damn - my cover had been blown before I was even through the front door - indeed with my photograph on the network no chance of remaining anonymous here - I made a note to have a word with the photographer on my return. No time for long conversations - I was too busy collecting evidence in the form of CDs and even clothing with a Harvey Bainbridge t-shirt and then Marie had to go off and do the lighting for Harvey's show. A typical Harvey Bainbridge style set - no concessions here I noted - a dark stage - a voice from the darkness - flowing, flickering lights on a backstage screen - starting with Coded Languages, through ambient tracks with an intensity, sometimes strident, of synthesiser sounds. The set culminated with Mr Quimby's Beard joining him on-stage in a stunning performance of Freefall with the base jumping videos as a backdrop - powerful stuff. As I carefully noted all this I was accosted by a lecherous, drunken, middle-aged (I know because he told me), twat who assumed that since I was female around his age and alone I must be in search of male company - namely himself - and proceeded to blight the rest of my evening by pursuing me to whatever corner of the room I chose to stand. Without enough audience to blend into he was unavoidable and I had to leave the gig immediately it finished to make sure he didn't follow. Trust me sir - I may not have been taking notes about you at the start but I certainly was by the end. Your name is in my book and my comments are not favourable. To be continued... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Aug 25 15:56:34 2003 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:56:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus Message-ID: This message came through today on the e-Prog mailing list. This "Sabbatum" album sounds kind of interesting. Kind of similar to the band Apocalyptica playing Metallica songs on cello. Will have to give the mp3s a listen. Karen (in digest mode) - Hey, can somebody post/send me the link to where we can read BOC-L online? Thanks. ---Original Message--- Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus http://www.sabbatum.com/ ?Sabbatum? is a tribute album like no other ? 12 Black Sabbath classic songs played by early music band Rondellus and sung in Latin language. Can You imagine what Black Sabbath would have sounded like if Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward would have formed the band in the 14th century? Would ?War Pigs? or ?The Wizard? have been as powerful if played on medieval instruments like lute, fiddle and harp? Curious? So was Rondellus, the renowned Estonian medieval music band. They took 12 Black Sabbath classics and turned them into something totally unheard. You don?t have to take history lessons to get the feeling. It?s all on the new CD Rondellus recorded ? ?Sabbatum?. An amazing collection of Black Sabbath tunes played on medieval instruments and sung in Latin language. -- From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Aug 25 16:05:29 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:05:29 -0400 Subject: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus Message-ID: Thats horrible. I can't believe it. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus > This message came through today on the e-Prog mailing list. This > "Sabbatum" album sounds kind of interesting. Kind of similar to the > band Apocalyptica playing Metallica songs on cello. Will have to give > the mp3s a listen. > > Karen > (in digest mode) - Hey, can somebody post/send me the link to where we > can read BOC-L online? Thanks. > > > ---Original Message--- > Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus > http://www.sabbatum.com/ > > "Sabbatum" is a tribute album like no other - 12 Black Sabbath classic > songs played by early music band Rondellus and sung in Latin language. > > Can You imagine what Black Sabbath would have sounded like if Ozzy > Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward would have formed the > band in the 14th century? Would "War Pigs" or "The Wizard" have been as > powerful if played on medieval instruments like lute, fiddle and harp? > > Curious? So was Rondellus, the renowned Estonian medieval music band. > They took 12 Black Sabbath classics and turned them into something > totally unheard. > > You don't have to take history lessons to get the feeling. It's all on > the new CD Rondellus recorded - "Sabbatum". An amazing collection of > Black Sabbath tunes played on medieval instruments and sung in Latin > language. > -- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 25 17:01:19 2003 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:01:19 +0100 Subject: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus Message-ID: I downloaded their samples a while back, they're fantastic - if you can get 'round the fact they base the interpretations mostly on the vocal melodies, not the riffs, taking them a fair remove from the Sabbs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus > This message came through today on the e-Prog mailing list. This > "Sabbatum" album sounds kind of interesting. Kind of similar to the > band Apocalyptica playing Metallica songs on cello. Will have to give > the mp3s a listen. > > Karen > (in digest mode) - Hey, can somebody post/send me the link to where we > can read BOC-L online? Thanks. > > > ---Original Message--- > Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus > http://www.sabbatum.com/ > > "Sabbatum" is a tribute album like no other - 12 Black Sabbath classic > songs played by early music band Rondellus and sung in Latin language. > > Can You imagine what Black Sabbath would have sounded like if Ozzy > Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward would have formed the > band in the 14th century? Would "War Pigs" or "The Wizard" have been as > powerful if played on medieval instruments like lute, fiddle and harp? > > Curious? So was Rondellus, the renowned Estonian medieval music band. > They took 12 Black Sabbath classics and turned them into something > totally unheard. > > You don't have to take history lessons to get the feeling. It's all on > the new CD Rondellus recorded - "Sabbatum". An amazing collection of > Black Sabbath tunes played on medieval instruments and sung in Latin > language. > -- > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Aug 25 17:16:49 2003 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:16:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:56:34 -0400, Karen Kusic wrote: >This message came through today on the e-Prog mailing list. This >"Sabbatum" album sounds kind of interesting. Kind of similar to the >band Apocalyptica playing Metallica songs on cello. Will have to give >the mp3s a listen. I have the Rondellus disc and its actually not a bad listen at all. A few of the tracks are instantly recognizable, some not so much so. I wouldn't compare it to the Apocalyptica doing Metallica discs because those are hard and heavy, with a pretty dense sound - they are trying to be true to Metallica's approach, only using different instruments, while on the Sabbatum disc Rondellus is not just transcribing the pieces but also re- imagining them as if they were being performed by cloistered monks/nuns who had never heard the originals. A minor complaint I have with Sabbatum is that the production is a bit too clean and shiny - its a medieval interpretation, there is no indoor plumbing, dirty up the sound a bit! >Hey, can somebody post/send me the link to where we >can read BOC-L online? http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/archives/boc-l.html Stephan From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Aug 25 17:23:28 2003 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:23:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: immigration trivia quiz Message-ID: Wow, I didn't realise you were THAT serious about stopping the tapers. From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Mon Aug 25 17:50:10 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:50:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dio - response to comments (Warning: LONG) Message-ID: replying onlist to comments directed toward me onlist: first lets start w/ my final word: SARDONIC - a synonym for SARCASTIC Sarcasm has a few definitions - the one I had in mind was "a humorous form of expression used to expose the follies of others"..... Sarcasm is certainly nothing new to this list. > You don't (really) know us, don't pretend like you do. hmmm... I have been on this list since 1998. I have seen you at numerous shows and purchased CD's from you. And we are both from Ohio. (At least, I think you are from Ohio - since you have lived there and know the area.) We also seem to have some similar tastes in music.... >From what you say in your post, it seems like this statement applies much much more to you. It was pretty obvious (to me at least) that the first part of my post was a direct response to Bob Mayo...... and then just some general responses...... NOT DIRECTED TOWARD ANY ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR (sorry about the ALL CAPS - but I want to make sure you get the point). I started right off in joke mode and went from there. Being completely straight-forward so there are no misunderstandings here - I was saying that Dio has or had a pretty good voice. And while I agree w/ Doug P. that some of his lyrics ARE ridiculous, Dio has put out a thing or 2 that was pretty good. Obviously, some list members have purchased these items and must have at least thought they had some merit at one point or another or they would not have been able to form an opinion - one way or another. Purchasing these items may mean that they thought these items might have merit, but after hearing they may have thought differently.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion was - maybe some folks should give Dio his due and that while Gillan is a great singer - his voice might not be up to handling the task of singing Stargazer at this point in his career. Whereas, I have read reports that Dio still nails it when performing this song live. This is just music and we are adults. How can any of this be taken very seriously? back to this statement: > You don't (really) know us, don't pretend like you do. Seems like you don't - really know me - or you would have understood what I was saying in the top portion of my post and that the bottom portion of the post - which has you "annoyed" - was meant to provoke a concept called 'thought' in a joking manner. I DO NOT remember addressing you in my post Keith. Did I use your name anywhere? Somehow you have taken something personal that was not intended to be personal. If I had something directly to say to you on this topic or any other topic, I would have emailed you directly. I did not do that, did I? The last 3 lines of my post are just a few song titles or album tiles put in series in what I thought was a humorous way. A Mind is A Terrible Thing To Taste - an album, compact disc or whatever by Ministry Take The Skinheads Bowling - a humorous song by Camper Von Beethoven Into The Pit - a song by Halford > insinuate some sort of ulterior motive or objective. This statement shows that you do not know me and that you have formed your own opinion based on that erroneous fact. Anyone that knows me, knows I am a straightforward person. If I have something to say to a person - I say it. I am a "what you see is what you get" person w/ no hidden agenda and no reason to insinuate anything about anyone. Had I felt the way that you have interrupted that I felt, I would have emailed you directly and there would have been absolutely no doubt as to those facts. On the other hand, it seems blatantly clear that you are labeling me as homophobic (and 'narrow-minded' at the same time) based (I can only assume) solely on the following statement of mine: Nope! Sorry, you are wrong! Nothing blatant and nothing clear. Dude, if I thought this were true, I would have just come out and said it! What - it's OK for you to make a joke, but it's not OK for me a make a joke?? It seems like you are just continuing w/ this mindset here: > You don't (really) know us, don't pretend like you do. Talk about labeling! I guess according to you - my label is "outsider". Not to mention the fact that we must have different definitions of the term "blatant". "Jane, you ignorant slut" Now, that's a blatant statement! (used in a joking way to make a point) > Do us all a favor, and really stop thinking too much about what people write in their postings/emails. Excuse me, but isn't that what you are doing?? The statements that I made that have you "annoyed" were made in a general way. Certainly, I am allowed to believe that Halford is more talented than Gillan or Dio, right? Certainly, I am allowed to believe that Halford has a better voice than Gillian or Dio, right? Certainly, I am allowed to believe that an intelligent man would never have the guts to make homophobic remarks to Halford's face, right? Ever think that maybe - just maybe - I was joking?? The 3rd statement seems to be the one that has got you going. Intelligence and guts - guts basically means courage. Sure, there are intelligent people who are not very courageous and courageous people who are not very intelligent. To me, they can be inter-related in that an intelligent person might know that there is a time and place for courage. To me, calling Halford a queer to his face would be an instance when someone's courage outweighed their intelligence. Yes, you are correct he is gay. How long was he alive before he "came out"? What could have been his motives for keeping it a secret for so long? Could it be - that I was speaking in a general sense and not speaking directly to you, Keith?? What a concept! Oh, but let's just play this out anyway. So there can be no doubt. Keith, You have interviewed some folks in your time. If you had a chance to interview Rob Halford, would you call him a "queer"? Would you call him a "fag"? Knowing you - I would say - NO, you would not do such a thing. And why would that be? Could it be because, you are an intelligent man and you know that those terms could be interpreted as derogatory? Could it be because Halford is ripped w/ muscles and possibly a bit imposing to a man of your stature? To me, part of the concept of intelligence has to do w/ acceptance and understanding. Intelligent people also tend to treat other human beings w/ some degree of respect. So even if a person was homophobic and/or narrow- minded - if that person got the job of interviewing Rob Halford, that person would have enough intelligence and respect not to call Rob a queer during the interview. No matter what that person thought of Rob. Doing so would take a fair deal of courage and not to much sense or intelligence. If 3 men confronted one man in a parking lot and wanted to hurt him, he could be seen as courageous if he physically defended himself against them. But that might not be the most intelligent thing do, would it? Black people use the term "nigger", but is it OK for a white person to use that term? You may be thinking about the term "context". And that seems to be an underlying topic here w/ some pettiness thrown in for good measure. which: No. 1, should be obvious that it was intended as a joke, making fun not of Rob Halford *anyway*, but rather Rupert Murdoch and his never-ending pursuit of sensationalist programming. Now, that you have clarified it here. Yes, it is obvious. But no - it was not obvious in it's original form. > If I *hadn't* said *Queer* Eye, then nobody would have known what the hell I was referring to. Those (others) in Europe probably still don't know (or care really). I think that you might be assuming that more people knew what you were referring to than there may have actually been at the time...... Is the concept for the potential TV show - a gay man w/ a shaved head that can tell if another man w/ a shaved head is also gay....?? So sort of like the term "gay-dar" (like radar) only for skinheads. Is that right? Would any man who shaves his head be considered a skinhead? Or isn't skinhead a potentially derogatory term (as the term 'queer' is potentially a derogatory term) that is usually associated w/ a narrow-minded, male individual who may be prone to bigotry, racism and other ideals based one way or another on hate.....? So there's 2 potentially derogatory terms in the title of your fictitious TV show? Maybe, it's really about a gay man who shaves his head and has some special ability to know the politics and sexual preference of another man who shaves his head?? Talk about PSI Power!! Do I think you are narrow-minded in particular? No Do I think you are intelligent? Yes Do I think you are courageous? Well, you came at me pretty good here, so maybe yes. Do I think you are homophobic? NO Look at that! You had me wrong. I just "labeled" you as a courageous, intelligent and open-minded man. On the other hand...... Would it be absolutely acceptable if you were narrow-minded? Yes Would it be absolutely acceptable if you were not intelligent? Yes Would it be OK if you were homophobic? Yes Would it be OK if you were not courageous? Yes But IF you were a narrow-minded, unintelligent, homophobic, coward - would I have the right to tell you so? NO, I am NOT saying you ARE - but I AM trying to make a point. So you were joking and I was joking. You thought it was obvious to all that you were joking and I thought that it was obvious to all that I was joking. Your idea of humor and my idea of humor may or may not be the same. Our ways of conveying our sense of humor may not be the same. >>>>>>>>>>This is clearly a misunderstanding<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have addressed what I think may be key points here. However, you direct some other negative comments in my direction. At this point, I am happy to just let them slide. Unless, you really do want a debate. Should that be the case, please contact me privately and let it rip. My intelligence and courage are certainly up to most any challenge. To be clear: Keith, I was not directing my comments toward you. I am sorry that you took it that way. That was not my intention. I am sorry for any misunderstanding. I try to look for positive things. The positive things that I have taken from this misunderstanding is a better knowledge of you and your opinions. And even though your opinion of me may not be positive (possibly an understatement).... At least now I know how you feel and what you think of me.... Another positive thing that I have taken from this is that humor and email don't always go hand in hand. Ever wonder why so many people "lurk" on this list rather than post? Peace, Darrin -----Original Message----- From: Henderson Keith [mailto:keith.henderson at PSI.CH] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Sorry, OFF: Dio Sorry list, but... D-Rider responds most curiously... >and as far as the "queer" remarks about Halford >a) he has more talent in his shoe than Gillan or Dio >b) at 52 years old - he STILL has a better voice than both of them combined >c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) > remarks to his face > >a (narrow) mind is a terrible thing to taste Now, it takes quite a bit to get me annoyed, but you've managed to do it. 'Cause this is not the first time you've taken the liberty of extrapolating beyond the simple written word to insinuate some sort of ulterior motive or objective. On the other hand, it seems blatantly clear that you are labelling me as homophobic (and 'narrow-minded' at the same time) based (I can only assume) solely on the following statement of mine: >Rob is *really* back in Priest? Hey Rupert! Here's a new >reality show idea for ya': "Queer Eye for the Skinhead." which: No. 1, should be obvious that it was intended as a joke, making fun not of Rob Halford *anyway*, but rather Rupert Murdoch and his never-ending pursuit of sensationalist programming. And No. 2...insinuating that Rob Halford is 'queer' makes one obviously homophobic *how*? I mean, he *is* gay, no? ("Not that there's anything wrong with that," as Jerry S. would say.) OK, maybe you think that 'queer' suggests that one wishes to ridicule that sort of lifestyle. But you see, the TV show is *called* "Queer Eye..." right? What, you think *I'm* the one responsible for naming it so? Gimme a break. If I *hadn't* said *Queer* Eye, then nobody would have known what the hell I was referring to. Those (others) in Europe probably still don't know (or care really). Do us all a favor, and really stop thinking too much about what people write in their postings/emails. It's a very 'cold' style of communication, if you know what I mean. Sometimes people really just are saying what they're saying, and not what *you* think they're saying. You don't (really) know us, don't pretend like you do. That's all, sorry for wasting everybody's time... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I should have known to expect illogic based on that given in points a. and b. above. :) From ben at TMK.COM Mon Aug 25 18:04:05 2003 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:04:05 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Dio discussion In-Reply-To: <001901c36b52$dbd70ce0$33438118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: One statement: Tone it down and take any personal comments off-list or I start letting fly with a club. Ben From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Mon Aug 25 18:16:08 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:16:08 -0400 Subject: Off: RE: Dio (also somewhat LONG) Message-ID: pardon me Colin, but I find it difficult to take someone serious that wastes bandwidth w/ a signature line that reads like yours............ of course, maybe it is meant to be a joke...... so I will give you the benefit of the doubt I covered item 2) already item 1) critic - according to Webster's Dictionary: a) a person who forms and expresses judgments of people or things according to certain standards or values b) such a person whose profession is to write or broadcast such judgments of books, music, paintings, sculpture, plays, motion pictures, television etc..., as for a newspaper. c) a person who indulges in faultfinding and censure what really gives anyone the right to pass judgment on someone else? is anyone here employed in the manner outlined in b)?? so it would seem that c) applies to most people one this list, correct? forgive me, if I am wrong - but aren't a person's likes and dislikes rather arbitrary?? could it be that even these 'standards' may be arbitrary? at least to one extent or another........ what about the concept of 'bias'? > ....even someone who can neither sing nor play an instrument can discern the relative merits of different artists. Maybe so, maybe not. Are you really trying to use this as a valid argument?? How many people hold critics in high regard? How many people have learned to take what a critic says w/ a grain of salt? How many people trust a critic? More than a used car salesman? Or less? What's that saying...? "Opinions are like _ _ _holes." "Everyone's got one." So to be a critic - a person just needs to have an opinion. Does that make that person right? There is another saying that is used about teachers: "Those who - can't - teach". I have never thought that was true because to be able to teach something, a person must have a strong grasp on the subject matter, as well as a good ability to convey that knowledge in an understandable way. Of course, some teachers are better than others. However, IMHO the concept applies more appropriately to critics. In other words: "those who -can't - criticize". Wouldn't the fact that someone played an instrument or sang or both, as well as made records in the studio, and performed live in front of many different audiences give them more credibility when criticizing another musical artist than some armchair critic who has absolutely none of these experiences?? Anyone can listen to something and form an opinion. Whether that opinion is based on anything significant or valid could be debatable. And whether someone else trusts that opinion is entirely another thing. Not to mention, the fact of whether that person can convey that opinion in an intelligent and articulate manner. Some people thought that the song by Queensryche called "Silent Lucidity" sounded like Pink Floyd. What does that tell you about that person? The analogy here is the armchair quarterback. Here's a guy who has never played football ever. He has just spent alot (probably too much) time in front of the TV watching it being played by others. Who would you rather listen to when it comes to the facts of football - him or the guy that played for 10 years, won several championships and then coached for 20 years?? To me - the answer is glaringly obvious. The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more credible than an inexperienced person. If a performer was solely judged on their voice, Bob Dylan's career would have been over years ago. Some critics hate him while other critics love him. Is a person supposed to believe what any one critic says or be an individual and decide for themselves? You will never convince me that some critic that states negative things about a singer's voice does not have at least a part of themselves that wishes they could get up on stage and out-perform the person they are criticizing. But they don't have the ability so they criticize instead. There is something to be said for trying - even if you fail. > For what it is worth, I feel that Ronnie is a decent vocalist who usually manages to write and perform the most dreadful material, which damages his reputation immensely. This very well could be true! However, he freely chose to make these decisions and only he has to live w/ the consequences. In the end - we all have the Right To Decide. Peace, Darrin -----Original Message----- From: Colin J Allen [mailto:colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Dio A couple of points in response to this: 1. Darrin writes: "I am just sayin - give DIO his do! none of those who bash him could hit the notes that he does none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore nothing even remotely close arms all worn in your chairs....." Apart from commenting on the rather bizarre grammar, I would question the logic of this argument; do you imply that one can only criticise an artist if one has performed at the same level as that artist? This is such obvious nonsense; even someone who can neither sing nor play an instrument can discern the relative merits of different artists. For what it is worth, I feel that Ronnie is a decent vocalist who usually manages to write and perform the most dreadful material, which damages his reputation immensely. 2. Darrin writes: "c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make such (homophobic) remarks to his face" I can find nothing homophobic in the original remarks; this seems like a ridiculous, if unfortunately typical, case of misrepresentation and over-reaction. I am also intrigued by the connection between intelligence and "guts"; is there some previously undiscovered correlation between intelligence and courage? Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 25 18:17:18 2003 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:17:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Quimby et al - part 2 (much shorter!) Message-ID: But then Mr Quimby's Beard took centre stage and, well, all attempts at objective note-taking became thoroughly subjective impressions. Somewhere I was (I suspect) Shrouded in Mystery, lost in Darkness, Mystery, Travelling through Nebulae edged around with a Marijuana Nightmare, and carried in Chariots to Beyond the Light. Gentle keyboard and synth intros evolving into structured soundscapes with rhythmic melodic themes - some fast and very heavy - some with half recognised Hawkwind or Ozrics styles developing into melodies completely independent and unique - drifting from peace to paranoia and back again - keyboards flowing into guitars - swooping synths - a patient, steady drumbeat to add depth - and vocals, (in honesty, more Harvey Bainbridge style denounced than sung but always adding atmosphere) with some truly glorious flowing lyrical instrumental themes (Chariots perhaps?) and Beyond the Light. And behind it all - the lightshow. Colour-burst visuals, swirling spiked lights, rotating webs, some wonderful astronomical intergalactic images for Nebulae (I assume!) with exploding supernovas in Mysteries. Then in a culminating track to close the set Harvey Bainbridge came on stage to join them for an incredibly powerful Utopia while images of a busy metropolis were followed by a kalaidescopic blizzard of colours as everything went ballistic. Finally a small, stunned and utterly happy audience were treated to a calm instrumental track with swirling starscapes and fractal coils to finish off. So I left, passing on my way out two guys who were coming back in again - "we left but we didn't say thank you" they explained to the security man as they went back into the hall and I have rarely seen a more incredulous look on someone's face than on the countenance of that man as he stared after them. How to explain this back in Edinburgh? I wondered as I walked back along the cliff path and I knew it would be criminal not to evaluate this evidence more carefully. So on reaching the guest house I kept walking - in the dark, under a starlit sky, accompanied by the sound of waves surging onto the beach on an incoming tide - following the sea sound up to a majestic stone monument to Bede - this man who by himself preserved the History of Britain - people, events, lives known only because he recorded them. Perhaps there was a lesson to be noted there, I mused. So thank you to Mr Quimby's Beard, Harvey Bainbridge, Afresco Mantis and everyone else who took part. This is the written record - a poor one I'm afraid, but there it is. And anyone who wants to hear the recorded sound - for goodness sake get hold of one of the albums - you really won't regret it! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Aug 26 07:20:19 2003 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:20:19 -0400 Subject: Black Sabbath songs covered by medieval music band Rondellus Message-ID: > Curious? So was Rondellus, the renowned Estonian medieval music band. > They took 12 Black Sabbath classics and turned them into something > totally unheard. > Uh, I think that should read 'totally unlistenable...' theo From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Aug 26 07:30:43 2003 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:30:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dio - response to comments (Warning: LONG) Message-ID: Could it be because Halford is ripped w/ muscles and possibly a bit imposing to a man of your stature? 'Ripped w/mucles?' On what planet? Maybe ripped BY a few muscles. Rob is in good shape, but 'ripped' he is not... theo [A fan of Rob's before and after he came out, and couldn't care less who Rob sleeps with] From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 27 06:20:14 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:20:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Bridget Wishart Interview Message-ID: Hi there folks, just back from me hols, hope you are all well and to get the museum kick started I've just posted an exclusive e-mail interview with hawkwinds only (we won't count sam fox!) female vocalist Bridget Wishart to the site, you can find it at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/bridget1.htm whilst my jounalistic qualities leave something to be desired it hopefully makes for interesting reading all the same! enjoy regards dave From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Aug 27 15:08:50 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:08:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: new Reviews, Articles, and Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com NOTE: If you sent me an email in the past 48 hours it is highly likely that I did not get it. Someone with a virus is BLASTING me with emails with attachments that finally clogged my mailbox and I could no longer download email. My service provider just cleared off the mail server but if you tried to email me in in the past couple days it would be best to resend. I do NOT have this virus myself. What a pain!!!!! Here's the update announcement I tried to send a couple days ago. Announcements (August 25, 2003): We've just uploaded the following new ARTICLES, REVIEWS and RADIO shows. Note that as regards new articles and reviews, each quarter when a new issue would have gone online, I will publish an index page of all the stuff that went online in the previous quarter. This should satisfy the folks who miss the issues as well as my desire to publish written works as they are completed. Visit the What's New page at http://aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html for links to all the new articles and reviews. Thanks to Andy Madden, Steve Rowlstone, Charles Van de Kree, Roger Neville-Neil, Jeff Fitzgerald, Chuck Rosenberg, Frank Gingeleit and The New Digital Sound (Don Smith) for their contributions. Articles: Hawkfest 2003: August 8-10, 2003 coverage and photo gallery Woronozow 'Summer Pudding' July 19, 2003 coverage and photo gallery Riffs That Rocked The Galaxy Nostra-Rogus: Shaman Of The Vacuum Goddess Reviews: Several new releases from HalTapes, plus reviews of Enemy From Space, 45 Self, Mana ERG, Furway Decay, Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective, Kraftwerk, Tempano, Arthur Loves Plastic, Surface Of Eceyon, Mr Gone, and Chicken Mchead. New Radio Shows. You can go directly to the Radio Shows page at http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #44): General Playlist The Black Sea - "Life Among The Stars 1" (from c:>SpaceWalk) Circle - "Nopeuskuningas" (from Sunrise) SpaceWave - "Space Monster Music" (from Atomic Power Pak) Shatizar - "Laboratorio" (from Nanotech or Global Wreck) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment - "Josephine" (from We Are) Comets On Fire - "Graverobbers" (from Comets On Fire) The New Digital Sound - "You" (from The New Digital Sound) Baby Robots - "Pills To The Sky" (from Lakitu: The Baby Robot) Fez Dispenser - "Like A Simile" (from This Is Trip-Bop) Black Sun Ensemble - "Loki's Monstrous Brood" (from Starlight) PRP Group - "Cascade" (from Babylard) AcidGuitarKing - "Thunder King" (from Savage Saint III) The Lazily Spun - "Doziac Escapes" (from The Lazily Spun) Paul Angelosanto and the Melting Poetry Collective - "Brothers Darkly" (from A Blade Of Grass) Alchemical Radio (show #44) Produced by Terri~B and the Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, Alchemical Radio features Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop from the underground. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://www.aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions John Bartles - "Porta Potty Party" Blaze - "Speed Of Light" Eric Wallack & Don Campau - "Uncut El Topo Edit" Jade Warrior - "Sundial Song" Centric Jones - "Return Of The Retard" Typewriter - "I Have No Home" The Rick Ray Band - "From One Side To The Other" Nick Bensen - "The Orange Sky" Mystery Juice - "Your're Going To Lose" James Mee - "Gerty" Jade Warrior - "Water Curtain Cave" Don Campau - "Among Other Things" Hilda - "Wax Muse" The Rick Ray Band - "The Road To Freedom" Typewriter - "Oblivion Now" Jade Warrior - "Windweaver" Eric Wallack - "Dung Beetle" The Sweeney - "Shut Up!" http://Aural-Innovations.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 27 15:20:15 2003 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:20:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Bridget Wishart Interview Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:20:14 -0400, Dave Law wrote: >Hi there folks, just back from me hols, hope you are all well and to get >the museum kick started I've just posted an exclusive e-mail interview >with hawkwinds only (we won't count sam fox!) female vocalist Bridget >Wishart to the site, you can find it at >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/bridget1.htm Nice interview, Dave! It's really interesting to read an interview with a former HW member who obviously had a very different perspective on being in the band than most of the members you read interviews with. And especially of interest to me, since I'm in the minority who things that 'Space Bandits' is a really good album. And yes, calling Samantha Fox "frontwoman" would be accurate IMO, but "vocalist" would be a bit of a stretch ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 27 17:15:15 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:15:15 +0100 Subject: Dio (also somewhat LONG) Message-ID: Having waded through Darrin's post, I would like to reply to the few substantive points contained therein: 1. Having listed 3 definitions of "critic", you choose to ignore definition a), which is surely the most relevant here and have decided that most people on this list "indulge in faultfinding and censure". An interesting conclusion but, unfortunately, one that is not supported by the evidence; read, for example, Jill's post on the Alfresco Mantis/Harvey/MQB gig. 2. Your arguments around the subject of criticism: I am rather surprised that you do not seem to be able to see that criticism (as per definition a)) can be applied by people who have not performed at the same level as the person or people being criticised. Let us examine an example based around two Black Sabbath vocalists: Ozzy Osbourne and Ronnie James Dio. As a non-singer myself, it is apparent to me that, as a singer, Dio is better (in absolute terms) than Ozzy at the art of singing (does Ozzy actually sing?). That is an act of criticism by a non-singing, non-performing observer and is based on a knowledge of the art of singing. Why do I need to have performed on stage in front of 20000 people to draw that conclusion? On a lighter note, in reply to your analogy with sports commentators, I will only say "Mark Lawrenson"! This will probably be lost on all non-Brits:). Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Off: RE: Dio (also somewhat LONG) > pardon me Colin, but I find it difficult to take someone serious that wastes > bandwidth w/ a signature line that reads like yours............ > > of course, maybe it is meant to be a joke...... > so I will give you the benefit of the doubt > > I covered item 2) already > > item 1) > > critic - according to Webster's Dictionary: > a) a person who forms and expresses judgments of people or things according > to certain standards or values > b) such a person whose profession is to write or broadcast such judgments of > books, music, paintings, sculpture, plays, motion pictures, television > etc..., as for a newspaper. > c) a person who indulges in faultfinding and censure > > what really gives anyone the right to pass judgment on someone else? > > is anyone here employed in the manner outlined in b)?? > > so it would seem that c) applies to most people one this list, correct? > > forgive me, if I am wrong - but aren't a person's likes and dislikes rather > arbitrary?? > > could it be that even these 'standards' may be arbitrary? at least to one > extent or another........ > > what about the concept of 'bias'? > > > ....even someone who can neither sing nor play an instrument can discern > the relative merits of different artists. > > Maybe so, maybe not. > > Are you really trying to use this as a valid argument?? > > How many people hold critics in high regard? > > How many people have learned to take what a critic says w/ a grain of salt? > > How many people trust a critic? More than a used car salesman? Or less? > > What's that saying...? "Opinions are like _ _ _holes." "Everyone's got one." > > So to be a critic - a person just needs to have an opinion. Does that make > that person right? > > There is another saying that is used about teachers: > "Those who - can't - teach". I have never thought that was true because to > be able > to teach something, a person must have a strong grasp on the subject matter, > as well as a good ability to convey that knowledge in an understandable way. > Of course, some teachers are better than others. However, IMHO the concept > applies more appropriately to critics. In other words: "those who -can't - > criticize". > > Wouldn't the fact that someone played an instrument or sang or both, as well > as made records in the studio, and performed live in front of many different > audiences give them more credibility when criticizing another musical artist > than some armchair critic who has absolutely none of these experiences?? > > Anyone can listen to something and form an opinion. Whether that opinion is > based on anything significant or valid could be debatable. And whether > someone else trusts that opinion is entirely another thing. Not to mention, > the fact of whether that person can convey that opinion in an intelligent > and > articulate manner. > > Some people thought that the song by Queensryche called "Silent Lucidity" > sounded like Pink Floyd. What does that tell you about that person? > > The analogy here is the armchair quarterback. Here's a guy who has never > played football ever. He has just spent alot (probably too much) time in > front of the TV watching it being played by others. > > Who would you rather listen to when it comes to the facts of football - him > or the guy that played for 10 years, won several championships and then > coached for 20 years?? > > To me - the answer is glaringly obvious. > > The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more credible > than an inexperienced person. > > If a performer was solely judged on their voice, Bob Dylan's career would > have been over years ago. Some critics hate him while other critics love > him. > Is a person supposed to believe what any one critic says or be an individual > and decide for themselves? > > You will never convince me that some critic that states negative things > about a singer's voice does not have at least a part of themselves that > wishes > they could get up on stage and out-perform the person they are criticizing. > But they don't have the ability so they criticize instead. > > There is something to be said for trying - even if you fail. > > > For what it is worth, I feel that Ronnie is a decent vocalist who usually > manages to write and perform the most dreadful material, which damages > his reputation immensely. > > This very well could be true! > > However, he freely chose to make these decisions and only he has to live > w/ the consequences. > > In the end - we all have the Right To Decide. > > Peace, > > Darrin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin J Allen [mailto:colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: Dio > > A couple of points in response to this: > > 1. Darrin writes: "I am just sayin - give DIO his do! > none of those who bash him > could hit the notes that he does > none of you have been on the stage w/ Iommi, Cozy or Blackmore > nothing even remotely close > arms all worn in your chairs....." > > Apart from commenting on the rather bizarre grammar, I would question the > logic of this argument; do you imply that one can only criticise an artist > if one has performed at the same level as that artist? This is such obvious > nonsense; even someone who can neither sing nor play an instrument can > discern the relative merits of different artists. For what it is worth, I > feel that Ronnie is a decent vocalist who usually manages to write and > perform the most dreadful material, which damages his reputation immensely. > > 2. Darrin writes: "c) an intelligent man would NEVER have the guts to make > such (homophobic) remarks to his face" > > I can find nothing homophobic in the original remarks; this seems like a > ridiculous, if unfortunately typical, case of misrepresentation and > over-reaction. I am also intrigued by the connection between intelligence > and "guts"; is there some previously undiscovered correlation between > intelligence and courage? > > Colin > > Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any > legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. > Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of > valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your > own risk. > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Aug 27 19:43:48 2003 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Bridget Wishart Interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the great interview. I only wish it was longer. I would also like to have read about what she is up to these days... Any ideas?? Chris R. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:20 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Bridget Wishart Interview On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:20:14 -0400, Dave Law wrote: >Hi there folks, just back from me hols, hope you are all well and to get >the museum kick started I've just posted an exclusive e-mail interview >with hawkwinds only (we won't count sam fox!) female vocalist Bridget >Wishart to the site, you can find it at >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/bridget1.htm Nice interview, Dave! It's really interesting to read an interview with a former HW member who obviously had a very different perspective on being in the band than most of the members you read interviews with. And especially of interest to me, since I'm in the minority who things that 'Space Bandits' is a really good album. And yes, calling Samantha Fox "frontwoman" would be accurate IMO, but "vocalist" would be a bit of a stretch ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 27 19:55:49 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:55:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Bridget Wishart Interview Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:48 -0400, Chris Raymond wrote: >Thanks for the great interview. I only wish it was longer. I would also like >to have read about what she is up to these days... Any ideas?? >Chris R. > Basically she's now left the music biz behind, has a young daughter and got married recently, for a bit more info have a look at the page http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/BRIDGET%20WISHART.htm glad so many of you have enjoyed the interview and by all means spread the word! regards dave From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 27 20:48:47 2003 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:48:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Galleries Uploaded Message-ID: + + + + + + + STAR WARRIORS + + +++ + Our HAWKFEST 2003 Picture Galleries are now online on MISSION CONTROL: www.hawkwind.com We hope the images faithfully capture the event for those who attended, and give a good insight to those who could not make it...... We hope you enjoy the images.... HAWKWIND + ++ + + +TRANMISSION ENDS + ++ + + From mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM Thu Aug 28 05:56:24 2003 From: mlee at LINNEYDIRECT.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:56:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: My go now Message-ID: Hey dudes, Is what you are doing 'criticising' each other, or are you merely at odds with each others 'opinions' ?? :-)) Regards, Leo . ----- END ----- From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 28 07:46:14 2003 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:46:14 -0400 Subject: My go now Message-ID: Nobody on here would do that!!! :-) Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:56 AM Subject: OFF: My go now > Hey dudes, > > Is what you are doing 'criticising' each other, or are you merely > at odds with each others 'opinions' ?? > > :-)) > > Regards, Leo . > > ----- END ----- From Farflung at COMCAST.NET Thu Aug 28 07:59:42 2003 From: Farflung at COMCAST.NET (DRider) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:59:42 -0400 Subject: Off: the critic Message-ID: previously I said: > The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more credible > than an inexperienced person. also the analogy you use between Ozzy and Dio is one I already used before this topic of "critic" ever came up. I did not say that "a person" ANY person could not criticize....... I just said a person that has had the experiences themselves may have more credibility than a person who has not had those experiences. And personally, I think a person that gets out and does "it" has a bit more room to talk than a person who just sits around talking about doing it......hence the armchair...... I am a licensed professional geologist...... next, you will be telling me that your arguments on evolution theory (for example) are just as credible as mine sure maybe you are well versed on this specific topic through your own personal hobbies and education - but chances are - you are not - which is the point I have run sound for bands a time or two, but I don't think that I have had the experience or the knowledge that you have on the topic. Therefore, you are probably more credible on that topic which would give you the potential to criticize another soundman's performance more than me. Sure I could say that the mix needs more vocals etc, but you might know the brand of mixer etc that was being used and be able to go into much more fine detail than me or even walk up to the mixer itself and turn a few knobs to fix the problem.... if you were running sound at a show - I certainly would not walk up and tell you how to do your job just as you would not try to criticize one of my technical reviews written on the migration of a groundwater chlorinated solvent plume D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Dio (also somewhat LONG) > Having waded through Darrin's post, I would like to reply to the few > substantive points contained therein: > > 1. Having listed 3 definitions of "critic", you choose to ignore definition > a), which is surely the most relevant here and have decided that most people > on this list "indulge in faultfinding and censure". An interesting > conclusion but, unfortunately, one that is not supported by the evidence; > read, for example, Jill's post on the Alfresco Mantis/Harvey/MQB gig. > > 2. Your arguments around the subject of criticism: I am rather surprised > that you do not seem to be able to see that criticism (as per definition a)) > can be applied by people who have not performed at the same level as the > person or people being criticised. Let us examine an example based around > two Black Sabbath vocalists: Ozzy Osbourne and Ronnie James Dio. As a > non-singer myself, it is apparent to me that, as a singer, Dio is better (in > absolute terms) than Ozzy at the art of singing (does Ozzy actually sing?). > That is an act of criticism by a non-singing, non-performing observer and is > based on a knowledge of the art of singing. Why do I need to have performed > on stage in front of 20000 people to draw that conclusion? > > On a lighter note, in reply to your analogy with sports commentators, I will > only say "Mark Lawrenson"! This will probably be lost on all non-Brits:). > > Colin From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 28 10:11:44 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:11:44 +0100 Subject: the critic Message-ID: Hmmmm....maybe I could do a better job than you on the sound but I would still be open to "criticism" from the audience for my mix. I would certainly not opine that my arguments on evolution theory are as credible as yours; your statement on this topic really does demonstrate many of the points that have been made about your approach to "debate". Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Off: the critic > previously I said: > > > The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more credible > > than an inexperienced person. > > also the analogy you use between Ozzy and Dio is one I already used before > this topic of "critic" ever came up. > > I did not say that "a person" ANY person could not criticize....... > > I just said a person that has had the experiences themselves > may have more credibility than a person who has not had those > experiences. And personally, I think a person that gets out and does "it" > has a bit more room to talk than a person who just sits around talking > about doing it......hence the armchair...... > > I am a licensed professional geologist...... > > next, you will be telling me that your arguments on evolution theory (for > example) are just as credible as mine > > sure maybe you are well versed on this specific topic through your own > personal hobbies and education - but chances are - you are not - which is > the point > > I have run sound for bands a time or two, but I don't think that I have had > the experience or the knowledge that you have on the topic. Therefore, you > are probably more credible on that topic which would give you the potential > to criticize another soundman's performance more than me. Sure I could say > that the mix needs more vocals etc, but you might know the brand of mixer > etc that was being used and be able to go into much more fine detail than me > or even walk up to the mixer itself and turn a few knobs to fix the > problem.... > > if you were running sound at a show - I certainly would not walk up and tell > you how to do your job > > just as you would not try to criticize one of my technical reviews written > on the migration of a groundwater chlorinated solvent plume > > D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: Dio (also somewhat LONG) > > > > Having waded through Darrin's post, I would like to reply to the few > > substantive points contained therein: > > > > 1. Having listed 3 definitions of "critic", you choose to ignore > definition > > a), which is surely the most relevant here and have decided that most > people > > on this list "indulge in faultfinding and censure". An interesting > > conclusion but, unfortunately, one that is not supported by the evidence; > > read, for example, Jill's post on the Alfresco Mantis/Harvey/MQB gig. > > > > 2. Your arguments around the subject of criticism: I am rather surprised > > that you do not seem to be able to see that criticism (as per definition > a)) > > can be applied by people who have not performed at the same level as the > > person or people being criticised. Let us examine an example based around > > two Black Sabbath vocalists: Ozzy Osbourne and Ronnie James Dio. As a > > non-singer myself, it is apparent to me that, as a singer, Dio is better > (in > > absolute terms) than Ozzy at the art of singing (does Ozzy actually > sing?). > > That is an act of criticism by a non-singing, non-performing observer and > is > > based on a knowledge of the art of singing. Why do I need to have > performed > > on stage in front of 20000 people to draw that conclusion? > > > > On a lighter note, in reply to your analogy with sports commentators, I > will > > only say "Mark Lawrenson"! This will probably be lost on all non-Brits:). > > > > Colin > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 28 10:17:25 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:17:25 +0100 Subject: the critic Message-ID: I also feel that your geology analogy misses the point; we are discussing criticism of performance and ability of an artist, not criticism of opinion and argument; that is a completely different domain where specialised knowledge is important and criticism made without it is less valid than criticism made with it. I hope that you see the difference between the two. While I feel free to criticise an artist on their performance or ability, I do not feel free to criticise arguments and opinions unless I have at least a good working knowledge of the subject. Colin Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Off: the critic > previously I said: > > > The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more credible > > than an inexperienced person. > > also the analogy you use between Ozzy and Dio is one I already used before > this topic of "critic" ever came up. > > I did not say that "a person" ANY person could not criticize....... > > I just said a person that has had the experiences themselves > may have more credibility than a person who has not had those > experiences. And personally, I think a person that gets out and does "it" > has a bit more room to talk than a person who just sits around talking > about doing it......hence the armchair...... > > I am a licensed professional geologist...... > > next, you will be telling me that your arguments on evolution theory (for > example) are just as credible as mine > > sure maybe you are well versed on this specific topic through your own > personal hobbies and education - but chances are - you are not - which is > the point > > I have run sound for bands a time or two, but I don't think that I have had > the experience or the knowledge that you have on the topic. Therefore, you > are probably more credible on that topic which would give you the potential > to criticize another soundman's performance more than me. Sure I could say > that the mix needs more vocals etc, but you might know the brand of mixer > etc that was being used and be able to go into much more fine detail than me > or even walk up to the mixer itself and turn a few knobs to fix the > problem.... > > if you were running sound at a show - I certainly would not walk up and tell > you how to do your job > > just as you would not try to criticize one of my technical reviews written > on the migration of a groundwater chlorinated solvent plume > > D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: Dio (also somewhat LONG) > > > > Having waded through Darrin's post, I would like to reply to the few > > substantive points contained therein: > > > > 1. Having listed 3 definitions of "critic", you choose to ignore > definition > > a), which is surely the most relevant here and have decided that most > people > > on this list "indulge in faultfinding and censure". An interesting > > conclusion but, unfortunately, one that is not supported by the evidence; > > read, for example, Jill's post on the Alfresco Mantis/Harvey/MQB gig. > > > > 2. Your arguments around the subject of criticism: I am rather surprised > > that you do not seem to be able to see that criticism (as per definition > a)) > > can be applied by people who have not performed at the same level as the > > person or people being criticised. Let us examine an example based around > > two Black Sabbath vocalists: Ozzy Osbourne and Ronnie James Dio. As a > > non-singer myself, it is apparent to me that, as a singer, Dio is better > (in > > absolute terms) than Ozzy at the art of singing (does Ozzy actually > sing?). > > That is an act of criticism by a non-singing, non-performing observer and > is > > based on a knowledge of the art of singing. Why do I need to have > performed > > on stage in front of 20000 people to draw that conclusion? > > > > On a lighter note, in reply to your analogy with sports commentators, I > will > > only say "Mark Lawrenson"! This will probably be lost on all non-Brits:). > > > > Colin > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 28 10:18:05 2003 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:18:05 +0100 Subject: My go now Message-ID: The latter;) Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of valid information. You use the information contained in this message at your own risk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: OFF: My go now > Hey dudes, > > Is what you are doing 'criticising' each other, or are you merely > at odds with each others 'opinions' ?? > > :-)) > > Regards, Leo . > > ----- END ----- > From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 29 05:35:26 2003 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:35:26 +0000 Subject: Off: the critic Message-ID: interesting conversation....both of you are neither right or wrong..e.g. drider quote 'experienced person by definition is more credible......' not quite so. An illustration might be that of a few years ago when researchers got a group of monkeys to splash paint all over canvasses. these were then proudly shown at a private viewing to our leading art 'folk' and critics who eulagised over them!!! do not forget that...perception and/or beauty is in the eye/ear of the beholder/listener. this probably accounts for animated discussions, heated debates, differing views....thus define objectively why dio is a better singer than ozzy or visa versa. do not forget that 'critics' need not be 'critical'.perhaps you need to consider the difference (if any?) between a critic and a critique. peter >From: DRider >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Off: the critic >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:59:42 -0400 > >previously I said: > > > The term is CREDIBLE. An experienced person by definition is more >credible > > than an inexperienced person. > >also the analogy you use between Ozzy and Dio is one I already used before >this topic of "critic" ever came up. > >I did not say that "a person" ANY person could not criticize....... > >I just said a person that has had the experiences themselves >may have more credibility than a person who has not had those >experiences. And personally, I think a person that gets out and does "it" >has a bit more room to talk than a person who just sits around talking >about doing it......hence the armchair...... > >I am a licensed professional geologist...... > >next, you will be telling me that your arguments on evolution theory (for >example) are just as credible as mine > >sure maybe you are well versed on this specific topic through your own >personal hobbies and education - but chances are - you are not - which is >the point > >I have run sound for bands a time or two, but I don't think that I have had >the experience or the knowledge that you have on the topic. Therefore, you >are probably more credible on that topic which would give you the potential >to criticize another soundman's performance more than me. Sure I could say >that the mix needs more vocals etc, but you might know the brand of mixer >etc that was being used and be able to go into much more fine detail than >me >or even walk up to the mixer itself and turn a few knobs to fix the >problem.... > >if you were running sound at a show - I certainly would not walk up and >tell >you how to do your job > >just as you would not try to criticize one of my technical reviews written >on the migration of a groundwater chlorinated solvent plume > >D > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Colin J Allen" >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:15 PM >Subject: Re: Dio (also somewhat LONG) > > > > Having waded through Darrin's post, I would like to reply to the few > > substantive points contained therein: > > > > 1. Having listed 3 definitions of "critic", you choose to ignore >definition > > a), which is surely the most relevant here and have decided that most >people > > on this list "indulge in faultfinding and censure". An interesting > > conclusion but, unfortunately, one that is not supported by the >evidence; > > read, for example, Jill's post on the Alfresco Mantis/Harvey/MQB gig. > > > > 2. Your arguments around the subject of criticism: I am rather surprised > > that you do not seem to be able to see that criticism (as per definition >a)) > > can be applied by people who have not performed at the same level as the > > person or people being criticised. Let us examine an example based >around > > two Black Sabbath vocalists: Ozzy Osbourne and Ronnie James Dio. As a > > non-singer myself, it is apparent to me that, as a singer, Dio is better >(in > > absolute terms) than Ozzy at the art of singing (does Ozzy actually >sing?). > > That is an act of criticism by a non-singing, non-performing observer >and >is > > based on a knowledge of the art of singing. Why do I need to have >performed > > on stage in front of 20000 people to draw that conclusion? > > > > On a lighter note, in reply to your analogy with sports commentators, I >will > > only say "Mark Lawrenson"! This will probably be lost on all >non-Brits:). > > > > Colin _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Aug 29 05:36:36 2003 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:36:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Caption Competition (Alas no prize!) Message-ID: just to let people know that i've uploaded some new hawfest pictures from Sam Fitzpatrick to the site, to view them start at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/samfitzp.htm but the main reason for posting this message was to lauch a caption competition for the following picture http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/samfitzp3.htm Alas museum funds cannot stretch to a prize but if you want a mention on the site then feel free to send your suggestions either via the list or too make it more interesting for folks it's probably best that you contact me direct which you can do by e-mailing dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk thanks for your time, i'll say thanks very much in advance to anybody who comes up with something so don't think i'm being rude if i don't get back in touch personally (just trying to cut down the amount of time i spend e- mailing people,honest :-) ) all the best regards dave From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 29 12:43:22 2003 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:43:22 -0400 Subject: Off: the critic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:35:26AM +0000, PETER WILKINSON wrote: => interesting conversation....both of you are neither right or wrong..e.g. => drider quote 'experienced person by definition is more credible......' not => quite so. An illustration might be that of a few years ago when researchers => got a group of monkeys to splash paint all over canvasses. these were then => proudly shown at a private viewing to our leading art 'folk' and critics who => eulagised over them!!! This reminds me of a segment I saw on (I think) _60 Minutes_ where two Russian satirical artists were selling paintings to the modern art world done by Thai elephants. What was really neat was that these elephants were retired work elephants, and the Russians had set up a foundation to direct the money raised from the sales to pay for their upkeep (and the upkeep of their handler). So, in effect, the elephants were "working" for themselves. :-) (They would likely otherwise die from neglect.) The Russians said it did not take very long to re-train each elephant to paint, and that each had its own individual style. As with the monkeys, the art world raved over the paintings. To be fair, folks still raved even after being told the artist was an elephant, which I guess is fine. After all, where is it written that expressive and emotive brush strokes are the sole domain of human artists?... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 30 05:11:12 2003 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:11:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" will air 8/30 Message-ID: [I'm posting on Chuck's behalf because he's having trouble posting to the list...... J.K.] Hello, it's Chuck. I'll be back in SoCal this weekend, and I will be doing my old slot from 5-7pm Pacific Standard Time, Sat the 30th. There's also a great likelihood that I'll be doing the 3-5pm slot just prior to that, which means 4 hours straight. Last time I did this I aired (in two 4-hour sets): Hawkwind, Space Seed, Defender, FSOL, Korai Orom, Church of Hed, Angelo Badalamenti, Barry Adamson, Harmonia, Holger Czukay, Faust, Shalabi Effect, Legendary Pink Dots, Porcupine Tree, Skye Klad, Lightning Bolt, Spacious Mind, Agitation Free, Gong, Melodic Energy Commission, Flower Travellin' Band, Mr. Quimby's Beard, Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Escapade, Alien Planetscapes, Pressurehed, Farflung, Abunai!, Silver Apples, Phillip Kane, John Dickinson, ST 37, F/i, Afresco Mantis, Census of Hallucinations, Salamander, Igra Staklenih Perli, Loopian Zu, Orb, Juilee Cruise, David Bowie, Asha Vida, Matmos, Scaterred Planets, Guild Navigators, Ozric Tentacles, Kurtis Mantronik, Nik Turner, This Mortal Coil, Bablicon, Neutral Milk Hotel, Robert Calvert, Flowchart, W.O.O. Revelator, Avey Tare and Panda Bear, Windy and Carl, Moondance Experiment. Expect a similar format. TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: E-mail during the program: Call: (909)-787-5827. cheers, Chuck From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 30 17:14:51 2003 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:14:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Thai elephant orchestra Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:43:22 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >This reminds me of a segment I saw on (I think) _60 Minutes_ where two >Russian satirical artists were selling paintings to the modern art >world done by Thai elephants. What was really neat was that these >elephants were retired work elephants, and the Russians had set up a >foundation to direct the money raised from the sales to pay for their >upkeep (and the upkeep of their handler). So, in effect, the >elephants were "working" for themselves. :-) (They would likely >otherwise die from neglect.) The Russians said it did not take very >long to re-train each elephant to paint, and that each had its own >individual style. > >As with the monkeys, the art world raved over the paintings. To be >fair, folks still raved even after being told the artist was an >elephant, which I guess is fine. After all, where is it written that >expressive and emotive brush strokes are the sole domain of human >artists?... :-) Or the creation of music... see http://www.mulatta.org/Thaielephantorch.html Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 31 18:28:14 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:28:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Blue Oyster Cult at the Astoria In-Reply-To: <001801c32c8a$2f3afd90$e42d9fd4@bernard> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Just got back to Northamptonshire after meeting up with Chris Warburton and > Helen and then going to the Astoria to see the greatest band in the world, > ever. I do, of course, refer to the mighty Blue Oyster Cult. > > Hmm... > > They're my favourite band ever, so I hate to write this... > > For all you BOC fans, you know that track that Bonnie Tyler covered? > > Hmm.. That's right... "Goin' through the motions" > > Great song isn't it? Off "Spectres" I believe. > > WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY PLAY IT? TONIGHT, THEY MAY AS WELL HAVE DONE. > > They played all the songs you'd like them to do - the big three, Harvester, > Career of Evil, Joan Crawford (Alan looked like he was playing in a pub in > East London somewhere), and encored with Astronomy. > > Well, whoopee ****ing do. They were just going through the motions tonight. > Richard's verdict? One out of five. V. poor. And I'll go to bed crying, > because they're the greatest band in the world and they can do so much > better than that. :-( I wrote a piece for the defence not long after Rich posted this, but when I had a poke around last night I find that, as far as I can tell, I never actually posted it. If I actually did and just can't find it, the new server isn't being very friendly to me, do forgive the repeat post. Here, anyway, it is: "I never really expected to be seeing B?C so comparatively regularly a few years ago, and perhaps I'm getting blas? about it. Perhaps they are too, however. It wasn't the best gig I've seen them play by a long way. Nonetheless, all initial indications were good: Allen looked healthier than I've ever seen him (though he starts from a long way behind most people here), Eric seemed happy and generally everything was as it should be. "And OK, they opened with `Dr Music', but I *like* `Dr Music'. That said, the band were sounding a little bit too soft and jolly, in the kind of _Curse of the Hidden Mirror_ vein, to be entirely convincing when singing about BDSM, but never mind, they did it well I thought. And they followed it up with a very decent `E. T. I.' with a twin lead spot from Buck and Allen, which I don't remember them doing last time I saw this number. It's never quite the same in the UK timeframe, there's this to be said for it; presumably in the US these changes take their time to happen. "Anyway, then came `Dance on Stilts', which was about as good as it could be, I suppose, but difficult to get excited about. It began to pall rather. `Harvester of Eyes'--great, I thought, obediently bounced, and wondered what would be next. `Burning For You', OK, whatever, let's get it out of the way. `Career of Evil', wow, never seen this before, what's next... And at some point in there it struck me that I really wasn't enjoying what they were playing. There was nothing very much going on, and I was waiting for each song to be over so I could find out what they'd do next, but the actual doing was leaving me more or less unaffected. Going Through the Motions, I don't know if that's fair; but I did think they were playing it safe, for some reason. "Another thing: by now it was becoming clear that Eric was not at his best. He was singing much quieter than Buck, and though the odd real Eric yell came out he seemed to be pacing himself very carefully, and it didn't half tell on `Harvester of Eyes' and `Career of Evil'. Later on he did let rip in a few places but it seemed very much as if he was holding off so as to be able to do that. A shame, and I hope his voice isn't going again as it was so great to have it back. "Anyway, not really an all-star performance as yet, though Danny was making lots of contact with the crowd and generally playing up to the moment, and Bobby also doing well and doing the stunt drummer bit where you stand at the end of the song and everything. There was a short pause, and I like to think that the chatter on stage was something like `we're dyin' on our feet here! Gotta cut loose a bit, take a few risks!' because that's what seemed to happen. Wisely, they let Allen take the crowd with a long extended intro into `Joan Crawford', unmistakable from the first flurry of course but he kept us hanging for what seemed like a while before finally letting the band dive into the song. Eric still restrained but pacing himself better. I thought this was absolutely great. And the `Buck's Boogie' that followed it, while not the best I've seen, was also to-the-wall, Buck seemed to shake loose of the rhythm section a time or two and the whole thing tended towards being almost too loose, especially for a band this practised, but they never fell apart and it was much better than the safe-mode B?C we'd had before. And then, what I never expected to be saying, a really tremendous `Shooting Shark'. Danny released the hidden funk in this song and it tore along, and Buck topped it with a solo that nearly brought tears to the eyes. I shall look on this song a good deal more fondly now, just for having heard what's actually in there done so well. And we only got `Divine Wind' after that, didn't we, which doesn't even need Eric at full volume, only full menace, and that he did. It never gets less topical this song, does it? There was, I'm glad to say, no attempt to point this out, but I thought it anyway. `Lips in the Hills' was next, and this did lose something for Eric not being at full pelt, but he did let the crucial notes have their full force in most places. And it's my favourite B?C song so I was happy. Things had clearly been going on for a while, though I hadn't really noticed, because it was `Godzilla' already. Eric led into it not with the normal `something comin' up the Thames now!' bit but with a kind of aside monologue about the other monsters in the Godzilla cycle: `Mothra, giant butterfly! Flies around looking pretty, kicks *everybody's* ass. And Gamera! Huge flying turtle who shoots flame out of his butt, it's the best. `BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE KING OF THE MONSTERS! So tell me who the f*** is it?' Huge roar from crowd, and off we go. "As for the actual song, well, it's a solo vehicle now isn't it and not much more, though the actual song part was fine. Danny's solo wasn't actually all that; it was sort of four extended breaks that petered out, one of which was quite surprising but for all that not really `a bass solo'. Bobby gets marks for the drums though. I remember the first time I saw him playing with BOC here, he got a rousing chorus of the ancient tribal chant `Who ate all the pies?' and was thoroughly disregarded for the course of his solo. This time he turned out a short sharp run on the drums, finished it up neatly and stood, holding a cymbal, head on one side, as if he was daring the crowd to try it again, measuring the audience reaction and finally deciding it was worth some more. Then he turned out two more soloes, and he has got better you know, he really has. Must be having to live up to such excellent bandmates :-) But it was good. All the same, they needn't really bother with coming back into the song for the one remaining bit, they might as well finish with the solos. "I don't remember being impressed much by the ineluctable `Reaper', perhaps it too was none too startling. I was still quite impressed by Bobby's taking over the crowd like that. I did notice the small solo piece Buck led into it with, because I didn't know what it was; he played it almost all by himself, with the ghost of a piano accompaniment by Allen, it was quite sweet. "Encore, quite quickly, was `Astronomy', which was well, more or less as it is on _Long Day's Night_ really, hardly bad and always great to hear it (especially if like me the only band you've heard do it up till now was Bouchard Dunaway Smith) but it didn't set me on fire; `Black Blade' however followed and that was great. Eric had saved himself for it, it almost seemed, and there was nothing missing at all, except that we couldn't really hear the voice-of-the-sword recording over all that noise the band were making :-) So I went home happy, anyway, and the recent convert we brought along also thought she'd done well. "I can definitely see where Rich was coming from with his criticisms; I thought they definitely lost the touch for a few songs and then pulled together, or rather loosened up, and as a result it was probably the most variable and at times uncoordinated, at other times uninspiring, set I've seen them do. But the good bits were just as good as one might have hoped, and the bad bits were basically what I think is wrong with _Curse of the Hidden Mirror_ with less of Eric's singing. I hope he gets it back together. Buck, also, didn't completely dazzle me as much as I have been used to. Danny was fabulous, except when he had the stage to himself; Allen was on tremendous form on all instruments, and Bobby was startlingly impressive. Unfortunately it's Buck and Eric one needs to have on form... But at times they were, and I'd still rather see BOC than any other band going except *possibly* Farflung. And I had to choose between them and Litmus (as did Litmus's drummer I gather) so you can see the strength of my faith!" Maybe not that much of a defence but I wrote it anyway, yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Valedictory Songs_ -- "If you are rich, throw away your documents. If you are poor, do so also." (Egyptian proverb) Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 31 19:23:27 2003 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:23:27 +0100 Subject: HW: new Keith Kniveton interview & other goodies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Steve Youles wrote: > Some recently added stuff at Starfarer's Hawkwind Page ( > http://www.starfarer.net ) > > 1. Keith Kniveton Q&A - from the index page, click on the 'Chats & > Interviews' link. Oh wow. Never before had I considered the possibility of linking bands to Hawkwind through common instruments, but now there's a link to Fields of the Nephilim in one there I can see this is a field I shall have to investigate more fully :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Fire in the Hole_ -- "If you are rich, throw away your documents. If you are poor, do so also." (Egyptian proverb) Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College