From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Sep 1 00:03:25 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:03:25 GMT Subject: BOC: Long Days Night Message-ID: go to BOC news for CD and DVD of the Chicago Pier cover. nice ! and dvd release info for black and blue, too. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Sep 1 00:06:44 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:06:44 GMT Subject: BRAIN: fraternal information, so to speak Message-ID: go to www.cellsum.com and check out the news! you'll be glad you did! Cryptic J's career of evil. (aka interning for the State of NY) From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sun Sep 1 05:22:27 2002 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:22:27 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 Message-ID: ..But Ridicule was only half the story! Ok, there might be a version i haven't seen, but my version of Ridicule consists of only two of the four LP-sides of ...SRv2. The far best release of SRv2 is the release that came with the other live concert from '71 (can't remember it's name, i'm doing my sunday duties at work after a night out at http://www.garage.no *), you know, the one with the semi-transparent plastic "envelope" cover with the new agey card inserts etc... the version featured there is the whole of the SRv2, but without the annoying fadeouts - ESPECIALLY the one before 7 by 7 (a live version i love!). best, Ketil Svendsen, Norway * ...and WOW! just discovered there's gonna be a concert there with Daevid Allen the 15. of september!! buy, am i happy :-) > (....)and gets suckered into buying Space Ritual Vol > 2. (Not that the concert is bad, but why not just call it Ridicule again > and sell that? Or do you actually get a few more units sold when you try to > copy a product with some recognition value?) > > Bryan From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Sun Sep 1 05:28:12 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:28:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Joe Bouchard in the UK Message-ID: Just wanted to add that we have now confirmed that Joe Bouchard will be going a short accoustic set at Sickcon1 (see link below) at the limelight club in Crewe on Nov 2nd during the afternoon. Don`t know exactly how long it wil be, as long as he wants pretty much! If someone could pass this on to any BOC-specific lists it would be appriciated. All info is on the link below Best Si SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Sep 1 13:58:54 2002 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:58:54 +0100 Subject: Ozric Tentacles Tree Message-ID: Just a shout that you can check here to see that I've got your sign-up email http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/festivalsignup.html Sign-ups will close 2wks today 15th September2002 all the best Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wibrew" To: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Ozric Tentacles Tree > Hope this is OK, I know there are some Ozric Fans here..... > > Yes well, it's getting to that time again, time to plant a seed for an Ozric > Oak ;) > > I'm taking sign-ups at pwibrew13 at blueyonder.co.uk for the last 3 Ozric > Tentacles recordings to grace the shelves > > they are: > Zappanale13 Festival - Bad Doberan, Germany 27:7:02 2CD > Parklife Free Festival - Gillingham UK 17:8:02 1CD > Canterbury Fayre - Faversham 23:8:02 1CD > > sign-up to me in at the above email, stating in the subject line 'ozrics > festivals' (for filtration) and if possible give the following information > > Name... > Email... > Country... > County/State... > Branch/Leaf... > Which discs (if not all)... > > and since this is getting offered across several lists (yes, sorry some of > you will get this more than once) could you indicate which offer you're > responding to ie, neoquark, erpnotes etc.(I know it's sad, but that sort of > thing interests me) > > They are 3 really great recordings of 3 amazing performances...miss out at > your peril ;) > > set lists will soon be up at my trade pages > http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/cdrlistozric.html > or my attempt at a gig guide > http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/ozricgigguide.html > > all the best > Peter > > PS.. I havn't decided a close date yet for sign-ups I will post a reminder > nearer the time of closure > > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Sep 2 04:01:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:01:00 +0100 Subject: HW: SR vol 2 Message-ID: Andy G mentions in his catalogue that the new SR2 package is remastered and sounds much better - can anyone here confirm this, please? The original SR2 sounded pretty crisp to me already... ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Mon Sep 2 04:47:15 2002 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:47:15 +0200 Subject: motorcycle irene Message-ID: She did a lot of photography for mot?rhead in the early days. possibly the first single cover, the st. valetine's day massacre etc (have to check - if anybody's interested!)... i think she was the girlfriend of one of them, phil taylor, from what i recall....(?) ketil, norway > I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at least > about, Motorcycle Irene. > Eh?? > I've heard that name mentioned a few times, but always in connection with > Lemmy. > Am I going mad? > Can someone explain this? > > Chris. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 2 09:45:13 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hey, out there! Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:25:43 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: some band called Dr. Feelgood, who I assume is not a Motley >Crue cover band? I thought you were joking but then it occurred to me that the Feelgoods may not be known in the US. Do not fear- they are nothing to do with Motley Crue! They're a high-energy rock/R+B bar band who emerged from the pubs of Canvey Island (off the Essex coast) in the mid-70s. Their early albums included the rip-roaring guitar skills of Wilko Johnson and some of the early punk bands cited them as an influence. They've been through an incredible number of line-up changes, the one constant being lead singer Lee Brilleaux, at least until he died... in about '96 I think. It seems they are carrying on with a new frontman. I have a couple of the early albums and they're utterly infectious raunch'n'roll, but whether they're any good now without any original members (?) I couldn't say. Larry Wallis wrote a few of their early songs and has guested with them onstage, so there's a connection for you. There's an official site at http://www.drfeelgood.de/ Nick From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Mon Sep 2 13:53:28 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:53:28 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC CD Message-ID: I've just dug out my copy of the HW BBC Live in Concert CD released on Windsong & noticed that the CD itself has become slightly discoloured around the edge. I have got a few other CDs with the same discolouration (mainly Ozrics stuff) and one (Afterswish) eventually became unplayable. I'm sure it's significant that all those CDS that have this were released in the early 90's. The HW CD still plays OK, tho' (for the moment at least). Has anyone else noticed this? Dave From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 2 14:37:14 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:37:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: motorcycle irene Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:47:15 +0200, Ketil Svendsen wrote: >She did a lot of photography for mot?rhead in the early days. possibly >the first single cover, the st. valetine's day massacre etc (have to >check - if anybody's interested!)... I notice that the the back of the first (Chiswick) LP includes the credit: "Photos Lemmy/Motorcycle Irene". >i think she was the girlfriend of one of them, phil taylor, from what >i recall....(?) > >> I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at >> least about, Motorcycle Irene. One of their songs penned by mad genius Skip Spence (whose brilliant solo album, 'Oar' is the spaciest thing you'll ever hear sung by a Johnny Cash soundalike). Robert Plant's new solo album (which I like A LOT) has an excellent cover of another Skip Spence / Moby Grape song ("Seeing" aka "Skip's Song"). I have no idea whether or not this is the same Motorcycle Irene, however (or if Motorhead's friend got her name from the Moby Grape song ... certainly a possibility ...). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 2 14:49:24 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:49:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki / Farflung Message-ID: OUTSTANDING performance by the Damo Suzuki Network in SF on thursday night (unfortunately, I was out of town on friday and missed the Oakland show)! Very much of a Tago Mago vibe throughout both sets (they probably played about 1-1/2 hours total), especially with new drummer Chris Guttmacher's (ex-Cul de Sac, ex-Ad Hawk, etc.) propulsive beat ... pretty much everyone I spoke to agreed that he was probably the second-best drummer Damo had ever played with. Except for Chris, the rest of the backing band was former Farflung members. Yes, unfortunately that reads correctly. When I spoke with Tommy Grenas after the show, he told me that Farflung have broken up, and that the Damo tour is the last rock-type music he plans on making for the forseeable future. Anubian Lights techno is apparently just too lucrative to pass up the opportunity. After the show, friends and I were lamenting that even Damo had to help carry equipment out the door and that a band that great should be able to hire an army of roadies - they deserve it! (Just another example of how the size/ticket cost/guarantee of the gigs a musician attracts has no correlation WHATSOEVER to the talent and quality of said musician.) Unfortunately, this was only a west coast tour, but I hope any boc-lers on this side of the States were able to catch the great show ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com P.S. Anyone who sees the upcoming University of Errors European tour should say "hi" to Josh (guitar) and Michael (bass) for me! Or buy them a drink. This tour is probably about as profitable for them as Tommy's spacerock activities have been for him. From bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET Mon Sep 2 15:57:26 2002 From: bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET (Bill Barwick) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:57:26 -0400 Subject: HW: BBC CD Message-ID: Dave, Exactly the same problem with my Windsong cd and my copy of the Ozric's Erpland on Dovetail (DOVE CD 1) is going a very nasty shade of brown around the outer edge. Luckily the discolouration on both is restricted to the label side and they still play ok. Anyone got any idea what causes it? Bill From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Sep 2 16:06:00 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:06:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki / Farflung Message-ID: Doug, Dan, Keith...anyone--are there any LA/SD dates on the itinerary??? When bands DO play in the SoCal area, it's those of us that actually live here that are the last to know about it... Chuck From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Mon Sep 2 16:08:47 2002 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Andre Denis) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:08:47 +0200 Subject: HW: BBC CD In-Reply-To: <200209021957.PAA05246@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 15:57 2-9-2002 -0400, you wrote: >Dave, > >Exactly the same problem with my Windsong cd and my copy of the Ozric's >Erpland on Dovetail (DOVE CD 1) is going a very nasty shade of brown around >the outer edge. Luckily the discolouration on both is restricted to the >label side and they still play ok. Anyone got any idea what causes it? > >Bill here no problems with the BBC cd but i have the same problems with the 2 ozric's cd's. andre From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Sep 2 16:26:53 2002 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:26:53 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC CD Message-ID: http://www.classical.net/music/guide/bronzedcds.html all the best Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Denis" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: BBC CD > At 15:57 2-9-2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Dave, > > > >Exactly the same problem with my Windsong cd and my copy of the Ozric's > >Erpland on Dovetail (DOVE CD 1) is going a very nasty shade of brown around > >the outer edge. Luckily the discolouration on both is restricted to the > >label side and they still play ok. Anyone got any idea what causes it? > > > >Bill > > > here no problems with the BBC cd but i have the same problems with the 2 > ozric's cd's. > > andre From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 2 16:39:25 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC CD/Bronzing Message-ID: My Inconcert CD hasn't bronzed yet, but those Ozrics CDs are well known for it. The CD pressing company PDO had a bunch of issues with Bronzing discs in the early 90s. If you check the matrix/run out groove thingy on the Ozrics CDs it will probably say PDO somewhere ;-) So far it has been non terminal, but looks unpleasant. Rich W From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Mon Sep 2 17:23:20 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:23:20 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC CD Message-ID: Useful info! Many thanks to Peter & others who responded. Dave >http://www.classical.net/music/guide/bronzedcds.html > >all the best >Peter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andre Denis" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: HW: BBC CD > > >> At 15:57 2-9-2002 -0400, you wrote: >> >Dave, >> > >> >Exactly the same problem with my Windsong cd and my copy of the Ozric's >> >Erpland on Dovetail (DOVE CD 1) is going a very nasty shade of brown >around >> >the outer edge. Luckily the discolouration on both is restricted to the >> >label side and they still play ok. Anyone got any idea what causes it? >> > >> >Bill >> >> >> here no problems with the BBC cd but i have the same problems with the 2 >> ozric's cd's. >> >> andre From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Sep 2 18:18:30 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:18:30 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC CD Message-ID: I've never noticed that with my HW Windsong CD or my Ozric Cds but will check. However my Friday Rock Show CD has developed a hole through the aluminium under the plastic that renders one track unplayable. I remember hearing about this problem with some cheaper pressed CDs, caused I think by impurities trapped under the plastic. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bottomley" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: BBC CD > Useful info! Many thanks to Peter & others who responded. > > Dave > > >http://www.classical.net/music/guide/bronzedcds.html > > > >all the best > >Peter > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andre Denis" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:08 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: BBC CD > > > > > >> At 15:57 2-9-2002 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Dave, > >> > > >> >Exactly the same problem with my Windsong cd and my copy of the Ozric's > >> >Erpland on Dovetail (DOVE CD 1) is going a very nasty shade of brown > >around > >> >the outer edge. Luckily the discolouration on both is restricted to the > >> >label side and they still play ok. Anyone got any idea what causes it? > >> > > >> >Bill > >> > >> > >> here no problems with the BBC cd but i have the same problems with the 2 > >> ozric's cd's. > >> > >> andre From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 2 19:15:23 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:15:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Well said Jon - incidentally - Ozit paid CD Services for that mail-out to go out. The leaflet that went out was not the original one as sent since we vetoed that, so it had to be doctored. If Dave Brock or any member of the band ever wants us to do a mail out and pay accordingly we are always happy to do so. No sides are ever taken here. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:18:55AM -0400, King of Comedy typed out: > > REMEMBER THIS. THE REAL VILLAIN IN ALL THIS IS CHRIS HEWITT, IT BEING HE > > WHO COMPOSED THE ORIGINAL INSIDIOUS "PRESS RELEASE". > > I;d be very interested to know how you know that so as to state it > so definitively. The second one we got looks a lot like that since it > arrived from CD Services in almost the same wording not long after, but > the first one with the Moorccok testimonials in it... how can you know who > wrote that? > > > I'll go to see Nik when he next plays where I can reach him, in > November; I'll do the same with Hawkwind whenever that may be. And if > either of them don't like it they can invite me not to go; but last time I > saw the Hawkestra it was fun, and last time I saw Hawkwind it was fun, and > as long as they keep tickets available to the public I don't really see > what either band can do to keep me away and I don't like the implication > above that you or anyone else would be likely to try and do that. Yours, > > Jon > > ObTrack: Motorhead - `Killed by Death' > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 2 19:20:24 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:20:24 +0100 Subject: HW: SR vol 2 Message-ID: Remastered was on the promo blurb from the record compnay and Dave here reprinted it on the leaflet. As I say in my review of it though, the sound is definitely sgarper and loude but hardly constitutes a remaster altho technically what they are saying is correct. I think it's a neat package myself and well worth having altho not as happy with othe two and noone's sent us a copy of the card cover "This IS" album yet, so no comments to that one at all. But,for me, SR2 does it. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: HW: SR vol 2 > Andy G mentions in his catalogue that the new SR2 package is remastered > and sounds much better - can anyone here confirm this, please? The > original SR2 sounded pretty crisp to me already... > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 2 19:54:27 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:54:27 +0100 Subject: HW: SR vol 2 In-Reply-To: Andrew Garibaldi's message of Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:20:24 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Garibaldi writes: > Remastered was on the promo blurb from the record compnay and Dave here > reprinted it on the leaflet. As I say in my review of it though, the sound > is definitely sgarper and loude but hardly constitutes a remaster altho > technically what they are saying is correct. I think it's a neat package > myself and well worth having altho not as happy with othe two and noone's > sent us a copy of the card cover "This IS" album yet, so no comments to that > one at all. But,for me, SR2 does it. Is there any diffeence in tracks to any of the 4 new rereleases? Cheers FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Sep 2 22:21:05 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:21:05 -0300 Subject: HW:Live SLOTERDIJK on Dutch music server; Check it out, leave your thoughts???? Message-ID: 2 Live SLOTERDIJK cuts from the final show of the 'Uranium Zone' tour, September 30th, 2000 The show took place near Harleysville PA, and was sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, PA This was a biker event, and the 30th anniversary of the club. The lineup was as follows, as this info is not included on the site: Mike Burro: electric lead guitar, synths, vocals Jay Adcock: synths, guitar Bob McConnel: guitar Rob Eckstedt: bass http://www.t-rash.com direct links: ( not sure if these will work. You may have to choose a password and enter an e-mail address http://www.t-rash.com/retrieve_mp3.php?33 http://www.t-rash.com/retrieve_mp3.php?32 Cheers! Mike From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 3 07:32:57 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:32:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Hey, out there! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 31 Aug 2002, at 19:25, Henderson Keith wrote: So anyway, I'm done at Ohio State - cue the Elgar - (for now > at least), and have a year here to learn German and figure out whether > I like mayonnaise on French Fries (what's that all about?). Pretty good, in moderation. But the one you want to try is Sauce Americain. Now, no self-respecting American has ever heard of it, and would never put it on fries, but it's great. Closest thing to it is Thousand Islands dressing, but hotter. Try it! tj > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Sep 3 10:46:11 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:46:11 -0500 Subject: The Space Show with Marc Flury Message-ID: BOC-Lers and Marc! Marc - You should be part of this Hawkwind mailing list if you aren't already ... A friend sent me a link to your radio show! http://server.wnur.org/freeform/ Click on schedule and then "The Space Show". Space Commander Marc plays space rock and other sufficiently "spacey" tracks every week. Favorites like Hawkwind and Spacemen 3 are heard, but the approach is broad enough to encompass selections of psych, kraut, and prog rock as well. This quote is excellent! "The envelope is constantly pushed in the hope that one day the penultimate space track will be discovered and played over the air, instantly warping the minds of all listeners into a dimension of pure space rockitude." Way to go! Karen From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Sep 3 13:54:26 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:54:26 -0500 Subject: new Space Rock web site Message-ID: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Sep 3 16:06:53 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST SOUNDCLIPS UPLOADED Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A selection of sound-desk clips from Hawkfest are now on Mission Control . . . . http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm ++ MESSAGE ENDS From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 4 00:30:55 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:30:55 EDT Subject: HW: HAWKFEST SOUNDCLIPS UPLOADED Message-ID: Cheers! In a message dated Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:07:19 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ++ STAR WARRIORS :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > A selection of sound-desk clips from Hawkfest are now on > Mission Control . . . . > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 4 03:35:39 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:35:39 -0400 Subject: HW: SD'97 Anniversary Message-ID: [It's long, and yeah, it drifts pretty much off topic towards the end. Oh well; I'm too sleepy to edit it down. Whenever you get bored, stop reading :-] The *other* thing that happened five years ago this past weekend -- the one the papers haven't mentioned -- was the first Strange Daze Festival. The beginning of Nik's reunion with Hawkwind, however fitful and doomed we now know that to have been... My brother, Jeff, was with me. It was my first festival, music or otherwise; I had no idea what to expect. I believe it was Jeff's first too. We arrived Saturday morning at this place called the Brushwood Folklore Center. Looked like just some family campground. Tents and trailers and Winnebagos and kids and ... we were going to have a space-rock festival *here*? There could be a certain amount of, uh, tension between us freaks and the straights. I wasn't expecting anything nasty, mind you, just a certain edge that'd make it hard for us freaks to completely let down our hair. Then I saw a small sign posted by the road: "no sky-clad beyond this point". "Hmm,", I thought, "if `sky-clad' means what I think it means, this might just work after all." Then I saw the huuuge papier-mach?(?) flying saucer up in the trees; and the smallish concrete-pillar-henge thing to our right near the road; and the big wood-henge thing off to the left ... and a bit later, this little grotto in the trees called the Faeries' Den. (No fairies, though.) "Yeah, this is gonna be ok." I started to relax again. We found a campsite in the woods -- no nice numbered rectangles, just fire pits scattered among the trees. Pick one, and the chunk of ground beside it, and pitch your tent. People were playing Hawkwind to the left of us, Hawkwind to the right of us; *everybody* was playing Hawkwind. And the T-shirts! Everyone, it seemed, had on tie-dye, or a Hawkwind-related shirt of one vintage or another, or both. Many of the band shirts were new to me; others I'd only ever seen one of -- my own. The guys just down the hill from us had driven something like thirteen hours, up from Tennessee or West Virginia or somewhere -- and they weren't from the city, either. I think I was as impressed that there *were* Hawkwind fans in the rural South as that they'd drive so far. What an incredible feeling of happiness, of welcome -- of relief -- to be among a community of folks who shared my bizarre obsession. Every time I'd seen the band -- or Nik, on his '94 tour -- it had felt like a Gathering of the Tribes. That weekend, I had the same feeling fivefold. So on down to the stage for two days of scheduling our lives -- meals, bathroom breaks, record shopping, sleep -- around the 45-minute breaks between bands. (Standard fest drill, of course, but it was new to me.) Two days of being blissed out on just the fact of being surrounded by fellow fans, in a campground permeated by music I loved, but never *ever* heard in the mundane world. Every time I caught a Hawkwind song emanating from some new campsite, it gave me a thrill. Two days of mostly excellent sets by bands I'd never heard of, though many of them would become Strange Daze regulars, eagerly anticipated each year -- Arc Met, B0rn to G0, Melting Euphoria, ST37, Quarkspace -- discovering that there was a real *scene* happening, if one only sought it out. (The one band I had heard of, F/i, I ended up missing their set, much to my disappointment. Priorities: had to eat dinner before Nik came on. I was tempted to wait till after, but I'd have been too famished to enjoy his show, and that would *never* do! For the same reason, I missed Alien Planetscapes the next day.) And at the end of those amazing two days... After meeting lots of list members, many for the first time, the rest for only the second (the first being the HW tour in '95). Some from as far afield as Florida and California, having flown in for the occasion... After the persistent rumours -- unfounded as it turned out -- that Lemmy too would be putting in an appearance... After Nik's excellent set with the Pressurehed guys, headlining the Saturday night... After the mindblowing fire circle, for that's the purpose of the wood-henge thing we'd seen on our way in: a big bonfire, drumming, dancing, half-naked wiccan dryads. (I was itching to dance myself, but way too shy.) A funny-looking guy in a jester hat, who I'd seen vending during the day, screeling away on a tin whistle -- not very melodically, but it was perfect even so... After two days of more tie-dye than I'd ever seen in my life! And more aliens; alien paraphernalia was pretty ubiquitous. After all that, now here were Dave Brock and Nik Turner, on stage together for the first time in over a decade! I remember standing there, absolutely ecstatic -- enjoying the mere fact of it almost as much as the music they were making; hoping against hope that it was only the beginning, and would lead to Nik's return to the fold. Thinking: "This is a truly historic night! To most of the world, it's a complete non-event [kind of shaking my head at that] but for us few ... wow!" And, I must admit, also thinking, "the people on the list are going to be sooo jealous!" The drummer from Architectural Metaphor (Deb Young, but I didn't know that at the time; I just thought of her as Arc-Met Girl) happened to be near me. She couldn't contain her excitement; she was absolutely wriggling with joy. I watched her, thinking, "she looks just the way I feel!", glad to see someone else expressing what for me was mostly internal -- and being absolutely blown away that a *woman* felt so obviously thrilled by what was happening. (I've gotten a *bit* more used to that since then :-) The crowd called for another encore, but it was not forthcoming. I couldn't believe it; the energy was *so* there! We *screamed* for an encore. And we waited, and waited, and waited. But no. It was over. Reluctantly we left the field. Even if Hawkwind were finished, though, the night was young. There was a fire circle waiting. Back to camp to get ready. Jeff and I had almost reached our tent when ... a wailing sax drifted through the night, barely audible over the drumbeat. "That'll be Nik", I said. "Uh huh", said Jeff. Sure that it was pointless -- that this would only be one quick Washing Machine, over by the time we got there -- we hurried back to the stage. It wasn't over. It went on and on, Nik's wild, completely unexpected, impromptu solo jam. Brilliant; I enjoyed it tremendously; but at the same time couldn't help thinking, "Oh, Nik, you bastard, you've done it now. Dave'll never share a stage with you again! Damn, and things were looking so promising." Then that too was done, but this time I didn't mind. Now I was ready for Strange Daze proper to be over. The drums were calling. At that night's fire circle, I finally got up the nerve to dance, and had a just amazing night doing it -- so much so that both my big toes had friction blisters the next day. I didn't have the nerve to try my hand at one of those funky African drums, though, much as I yearned to. Probably a good thing, too... The Faeries' Den made a great chillout zone. To bed, if not to sleep :-) at something like 5:30 AM. Then up again far too soon (in a couple of ways), to pack, and say goodbye to friends old and new. * Little did we know on the first night that hours before, around dinner-time in our part of the world, a car had slammed into a tunnel wall not far from the Eiffel Tower; that as Nik and his band took the stage, a princess lay dying; that the rest of the world would also remember that weekend, but for a reason far darker than ours. I'll admit that when I heard the news on Sunday morning, it didn't mean much to me. "Right, I guess that's it for the soap opera", was mostly what I thought, recalling the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Two weeks before, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan had died. Now *that* was upsetting! It was only half-way through the bizarre week that followed, with the relentless page-one coverage, that Diana's passing began to affect me. * I had no clue, as we drove away, how much would flow from that weekend. Remeeting Steve Lindsey, which led to doing visuals, which led to my helping Jim Lascko do visuals for *Hawkwind* -- wow, I still can hardly believe that sometimes! (Thanks, Jim.) Drumming: I have a djembe now, and I'm not hopeless at playing it. Still not good -- but at least I can join a drum circle without embarrassing myself, as I would surely have done during SD'97. (Thanks to Terri and Donna and gang at SD'98 for getting me started -- they were the crazy people with the big pavilion in their campsite, full of drums and percussion toys, and even a marimba.) And an abiding love for Brushwood and the people there. Jeff and I both knew we wanted to visit again, for the next Strange Daze if there was one, but also for the Starwood Festival, the high point of the place's summer. What with one thing and another -- work schedules, Jeff's new girlfriend, Strange Daze's move to Ohio -- it took us three summers to make it. But now Starwood's the high point of our summer too. * Here's what Starwood's all about: I've been to workshops on esoteric subjects, and skipped ones still further out. I've played my drum on the very stage where Dave and Nik reconnected so briefly. No audience, but so what? The folks in Einstein's Secret Orchestra host a space-rock (not!, but that's how they bill it) jam there every year. People bring whatever they feel like -- mostly percussion -- and the ESO'ers join in on whatever *they* feel like, struggling to bring some coherence to the madness. It's a blast, we make some cool noise -- and for me, it's a nice reminder of a magic night. I've done visuals for ESO, shining my overhead projector on the outside of an inflatable dome that the band and audience were inside of -- with The Reverand Ivan Stang projecting Subgenius videos on the far side of the dome. Weird. I've met a lady. *smile* (She lives six or seven hours away, in Toledo. Bleah! Yeah, Arin and Rich, I know; but still...) I've been to voodoo rituals; walked a Labyrinth of Light (a standard unicursal labyrinth picked out in candles on the grass at night -- very beautiful, and as close as I'll ever get to the Pattern of Amber); drummed and danced until the sun came up; drunk mead with people from the Church of All Worlds (founded in 1962, largely inspired by "Stranger in a Strange Land"); played for hours straight, helping drum for the creation of a huge Rangoli in the Roundhouse, and then for the few minutes of its purposful destruction by dancing feet that night. (Rangoli is East-Indian transient art, done in rice flower and spices; same basic idea as Navaho(?) sand painting.) Things change, of course, from year to year. The flying saucer's gone. Blown down, I suspect -- the area is prone to high winds, and even the occasional tornado. The Roundhouse (for so the fire-circle area is called) got rebuilt some time between SD'97 and my next visit in 2000, less like a henge and more like, well, a roundhouse (Indian, not railroad). They've put in a pond where before was an intermittent swamp. This summer, they raised a standing stone at the top of the main ritual area. They rolled it down to the site (or so I'm told) and raised it (as I saw), to the accompaniment of drumming and dancing, using methods -- a lot of sweaty people hauling on ropes, and a foreman type yelling instructions: "slowly, slowly, *SLOWLY*; Paul, I said NO wooden pry-bars!" -- that the druids must have used. (Not strictly trad, though. The drums were djembes, and the ropes and pulleys were thoroughly modern, as was the concrete they set the thing in once it was upright :-) During Starwood, the Faeries' Den is *full* of fairies. Some woman makes them; the Den is her vending area. There've been a lot of girls -- and women -- wearing fairy wings the last couple of years. I thought that was pretty weird at first ... but then, what are aliens, if not the Good Folk in their space-age aspect? The Starwood crowd out-tie-dyes the space-rockers by a long shot -- no Hawkwind shirts taking up bodies (well, there is one, at least once a year for old times' sake :-). Lots of sarongs -- on guys too, wrapped around the waist like a towel. I wear one -- it's way comfortable on a hot day. Lots of body paint -- orange and green and silver and purple people wandering around the fest, not to mention the wild and beautiful full-body designs some folks have painted on them. (I was in the showers once when one guy decided he'd had enough of his all-over red paint job. With it starting to rinse off all streaky like, man, he looked something out of a slasher flick! And laughed when I told him so.) Utilikilts were all the rage this year -- on gals too (well, a couple anyway). My worry about the natives, as we arrived at Brushwood back in 1997, was quite unfounded; but if there was a grain of truth to my concern, I had it 180 degrees wrong. The Brushwood regulars weren't the straights at Strange Daze -- *we* were! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Sep 4 09:29:04 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:29:04 +0100 Subject: Imperial Pomp Message-ID: Sorry to ask again, but I`m having problems with post to Belgium. Has this album arrived with you yet? Please let me know. Si ----- Original Message ----- From: "filip" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: HW price help > ok si, > > i give ?50 for the imperial pompadour > let me know if it's enough > > greetings > filip > p.s.:e-mail me filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Si Halley > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:08 PM > Subject: HW price help > > > > I`m looking to raise a bit of cash and have the following vinyl but no > firm > > idea of what a fair price is on them. > > > > Any help (or offers) appriciated. I don`t really want to sell but a > > reasonable offer could be acceptable > > > > Robert Calvert - Hype (A Side Records IF0311) > > Hawkfan12 (All extras afaik - HWFB2) > > Steve Swindles - Fresh Blood (Atco K50738) > > Steve Swindles - Messages (RCA LPLI 5057) > > ICU - Punkadelic - (Sharp103) > > ICU - Maximum Effect (Avatar AALP5004) > > ICU - Pass Out (Riddle 002) > > Imperial Pompadors - (Ersatz Pomp 001) > > Nik Turner - Xitintoday (Charisma CDS 4011) > > Underground Zero - Never Reach The Stars (Flicknife Sharp023) > > Underground Zero - Through The Looking Glass (Flicknife Sharp038) > > > > Any help appriciated. There`s other stuff but haven`t gone through it yet. > > > > Si > > > > SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: > > http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 4 11:50:26 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:50:26 -0400 Subject: SD'97 Anniversary Message-ID: Nice story Eric. Wish I made it that year. Was that your fav. one? Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:35 AM Subject: HW: SD'97 Anniversary [It's long, and yeah, it drifts pretty much off topic towards the end. Oh well; I'm too sleepy to edit it down. Whenever you get bored, stop reading :-] The *other* thing that happened five years ago this past weekend -- the one the papers haven't mentioned -- was the first Strange Daze Festival. The beginning of Nik's reunion with Hawkwind, however fitful and doomed we now know that to have been... My brother, Jeff, was with me. It was my first festival, music or otherwise; I had no idea what to expect. I believe it was Jeff's first too. We arrived Saturday morning at this place called the Brushwood Folklore Center. Looked like just some family campground. Tents and trailers and Winnebagos and kids and ... we were going to have a space-rock festival *here*? There could be a certain amount of, uh, tension between us freaks and the straights. I wasn't expecting anything nasty, mind you, just a certain edge that'd make it hard for us freaks to completely let down our hair. Then I saw a small sign posted by the road: "no sky-clad beyond this point". "Hmm,", I thought, "if `sky-clad' means what I think it means, this might just work after all." Then I saw the huuuge papier-mach?(?) flying saucer up in the trees; and the smallish concrete-pillar-henge thing to our right near the road; and the big wood-henge thing off to the left ... and a bit later, this little grotto in the trees called the Faeries' Den. (No fairies, though.) "Yeah, this is gonna be ok." I started to relax again. We found a campsite in the woods -- no nice numbered rectangles, just fire pits scattered among the trees. Pick one, and the chunk of ground beside it, and pitch your tent. People were playing Hawkwind to the left of us, Hawkwind to the right of us; *everybody* was playing Hawkwind. And the T-shirts! Everyone, it seemed, had on tie-dye, or a Hawkwind-related shirt of one vintage or another, or both. Many of the band shirts were new to me; others I'd only ever seen one of -- my own. The guys just down the hill from us had driven something like thirteen hours, up from Tennessee or West Virginia or somewhere -- and they weren't from the city, either. I think I was as impressed that there *were* Hawkwind fans in the rural South as that they'd drive so far. What an incredible feeling of happiness, of welcome -- of relief -- to be among a community of folks who shared my bizarre obsession. Every time I'd seen the band -- or Nik, on his '94 tour -- it had felt like a Gathering of the Tribes. That weekend, I had the same feeling fivefold. So on down to the stage for two days of scheduling our lives -- meals, bathroom breaks, record shopping, sleep -- around the 45-minute breaks between bands. (Standard fest drill, of course, but it was new to me.) Two days of being blissed out on just the fact of being surrounded by fellow fans, in a campground permeated by music I loved, but never *ever* heard in the mundane world. Every time I caught a Hawkwind song emanating from some new campsite, it gave me a thrill. Two days of mostly excellent sets by bands I'd never heard of, though many of them would become Strange Daze regulars, eagerly anticipated each year -- Arc Met, B0rn to G0, Melting Euphoria, ST37, Quarkspace -- discovering that there was a real *scene* happening, if one only sought it out. (The one band I had heard of, F/i, I ended up missing their set, much to my disappointment. Priorities: had to eat dinner before Nik came on. I was tempted to wait till after, but I'd have been too famished to enjoy his show, and that would *never* do! For the same reason, I missed Alien Planetscapes the next day.) And at the end of those amazing two days... After meeting lots of list members, many for the first time, the rest for only the second (the first being the HW tour in '95). Some from as far afield as Florida and California, having flown in for the occasion... After the persistent rumours -- unfounded as it turned out -- that Lemmy too would be putting in an appearance... After Nik's excellent set with the Pressurehed guys, headlining the Saturday night... After the mindblowing fire circle, for that's the purpose of the wood-henge thing we'd seen on our way in: a big bonfire, drumming, dancing, half-naked wiccan dryads. (I was itching to dance myself, but way too shy.) A funny-looking guy in a jester hat, who I'd seen vending during the day, screeling away on a tin whistle -- not very melodically, but it was perfect even so... After two days of more tie-dye than I'd ever seen in my life! And more aliens; alien paraphernalia was pretty ubiquitous. After all that, now here were Dave Brock and Nik Turner, on stage together for the first time in over a decade! I remember standing there, absolutely ecstatic -- enjoying the mere fact of it almost as much as the music they were making; hoping against hope that it was only the beginning, and would lead to Nik's return to the fold. Thinking: "This is a truly historic night! To most of the world, it's a complete non-event [kind of shaking my head at that] but for us few ... wow!" And, I must admit, also thinking, "the people on the list are going to be sooo jealous!" The drummer from Architectural Metaphor (Deb Young, but I didn't know that at the time; I just thought of her as Arc-Met Girl) happened to be near me. She couldn't contain her excitement; she was absolutely wriggling with joy. I watched her, thinking, "she looks just the way I feel!", glad to see someone else expressing what for me was mostly internal -- and being absolutely blown away that a *woman* felt so obviously thrilled by what was happening. (I've gotten a *bit* more used to that since then :-) The crowd called for another encore, but it was not forthcoming. I couldn't believe it; the energy was *so* there! We *screamed* for an encore. And we waited, and waited, and waited. But no. It was over. Reluctantly we left the field. Even if Hawkwind were finished, though, the night was young. There was a fire circle waiting. Back to camp to get ready. Jeff and I had almost reached our tent when ... a wailing sax drifted through the night, barely audible over the drumbeat. "That'll be Nik", I said. "Uh huh", said Jeff. Sure that it was pointless -- that this would only be one quick Washing Machine, over by the time we got there -- we hurried back to the stage. It wasn't over. It went on and on, Nik's wild, completely unexpected, impromptu solo jam. Brilliant; I enjoyed it tremendously; but at the same time couldn't help thinking, "Oh, Nik, you bastard, you've done it now. Dave'll never share a stage with you again! Damn, and things were looking so promising." Then that too was done, but this time I didn't mind. Now I was ready for Strange Daze proper to be over. The drums were calling. At that night's fire circle, I finally got up the nerve to dance, and had a just amazing night doing it -- so much so that both my big toes had friction blisters the next day. I didn't have the nerve to try my hand at one of those funky African drums, though, much as I yearned to. Probably a good thing, too... The Faeries' Den made a great chillout zone. To bed, if not to sleep :-) at something like 5:30 AM. Then up again far too soon (in a couple of ways), to pack, and say goodbye to friends old and new. * Little did we know on the first night that hours before, around dinner-time in our part of the world, a car had slammed into a tunnel wall not far from the Eiffel Tower; that as Nik and his band took the stage, a princess lay dying; that the rest of the world would also remember that weekend, but for a reason far darker than ours. I'll admit that when I heard the news on Sunday morning, it didn't mean much to me. "Right, I guess that's it for the soap opera", was mostly what I thought, recalling the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Two weeks before, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan had died. Now *that* was upsetting! It was only half-way through the bizarre week that followed, with the relentless page-one coverage, that Diana's passing began to affect me. * I had no clue, as we drove away, how much would flow from that weekend. Remeeting Steve Lindsey, which led to doing visuals, which led to my helping Jim Lascko do visuals for *Hawkwind* -- wow, I still can hardly believe that sometimes! (Thanks, Jim.) Drumming: I have a djembe now, and I'm not hopeless at playing it. Still not good -- but at least I can join a drum circle without embarrassing myself, as I would surely have done during SD'97. (Thanks to Terri and Donna and gang at SD'98 for getting me started -- they were the crazy people with the big pavilion in their campsite, full of drums and percussion toys, and even a marimba.) And an abiding love for Brushwood and the people there. Jeff and I both knew we wanted to visit again, for the next Strange Daze if there was one, but also for the Starwood Festival, the high point of the place's summer. What with one thing and another -- work schedules, Jeff's new girlfriend, Strange Daze's move to Ohio -- it took us three summers to make it. But now Starwood's the high point of our summer too. * Here's what Starwood's all about: I've been to workshops on esoteric subjects, and skipped ones still further out. I've played my drum on the very stage where Dave and Nik reconnected so briefly. No audience, but so what? The folks in Einstein's Secret Orchestra host a space-rock (not!, but that's how they bill it) jam there every year. People bring whatever they feel like -- mostly percussion -- and the ESO'ers join in on whatever *they* feel like, struggling to bring some coherence to the madness. It's a blast, we make some cool noise -- and for me, it's a nice reminder of a magic night. I've done visuals for ESO, shining my overhead projector on the outside of an inflatable dome that the band and audience were inside of -- with The Reverand Ivan Stang projecting Subgenius videos on the far side of the dome. Weird. I've met a lady. *smile* (She lives six or seven hours away, in Toledo. Bleah! Yeah, Arin and Rich, I know; but still...) I've been to voodoo rituals; walked a Labyrinth of Light (a standard unicursal labyrinth picked out in candles on the grass at night -- very beautiful, and as close as I'll ever get to the Pattern of Amber); drummed and danced until the sun came up; drunk mead with people from the Church of All Worlds (founded in 1962, largely inspired by "Stranger in a Strange Land"); played for hours straight, helping drum for the creation of a huge Rangoli in the Roundhouse, and then for the few minutes of its purposful destruction by dancing feet that night. (Rangoli is East-Indian transient art, done in rice flower and spices; same basic idea as Navaho(?) sand painting.) Things change, of course, from year to year. The flying saucer's gone. Blown down, I suspect -- the area is prone to high winds, and even the occasional tornado. The Roundhouse (for so the fire-circle area is called) got rebuilt some time between SD'97 and my next visit in 2000, less like a henge and more like, well, a roundhouse (Indian, not railroad). They've put in a pond where before was an intermittent swamp. This summer, they raised a standing stone at the top of the main ritual area. They rolled it down to the site (or so I'm told) and raised it (as I saw), to the accompaniment of drumming and dancing, using methods -- a lot of sweaty people hauling on ropes, and a foreman type yelling instructions: "slowly, slowly, *SLOWLY*; Paul, I said NO wooden pry-bars!" -- that the druids must have used. (Not strictly trad, though. The drums were djembes, and the ropes and pulleys were thoroughly modern, as was the concrete they set the thing in once it was upright :-) During Starwood, the Faeries' Den is *full* of fairies. Some woman makes them; the Den is her vending area. There've been a lot of girls -- and women -- wearing fairy wings the last couple of years. I thought that was pretty weird at first ... but then, what are aliens, if not the Good Folk in their space-age aspect? The Starwood crowd out-tie-dyes the space-rockers by a long shot -- no Hawkwind shirts taking up bodies (well, there is one, at least once a year for old times' sake :-). Lots of sarongs -- on guys too, wrapped around the waist like a towel. I wear one -- it's way comfortable on a hot day. Lots of body paint -- orange and green and silver and purple people wandering around the fest, not to mention the wild and beautiful full-body designs some folks have painted on them. (I was in the showers once when one guy decided he'd had enough of his all-over red paint job. With it starting to rinse off all streaky like, man, he looked something out of a slasher flick! And laughed when I told him so.) Utilikilts were all the rage this year -- on gals too (well, a couple anyway). My worry about the natives, as we arrived at Brushwood back in 1997, was quite unfounded; but if there was a grain of truth to my concern, I had it 180 degrees wrong. The Brushwood regulars weren't the straights at Strange Daze -- *we* were! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Sep 4 11:47:34 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:47:34 +0100 Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: I saw someone post a mail recently titled vote. I presumed this was a poll to vote on favourite HW songs? I didn't respond as I would find it difficult to vote on a lot of their songs with the exception of some unique one off recordings such as The Demented Man or Over the Top. Songs like these were obviously only ever done once and in my opinion are classics, but other songs would depend on the HW era or line up performing them. For example I might not say that Master of the Universe was one of my top ten songs but would prefer to say what perticular version of certain songs would be my favourites. For what it's worth my top ten (in no particular order), might be: The Demented Man - Warrior album Over the Top - Sonic Assasins Back on the Street - Weird 105 Orgone Accumulator - Space Ritual Master of the Universe - Text of Festivals Silver Machine - Glastonbury fayre Urban Guerilla - Lyceum bootleg 13/7/80 Shouldn't Do That - Roadhawks Reefer Madness - Music Machine '77 In the Office? - US Tour Video -89 Damage of Life - Yule Ritual oopps that's eleven, but do you get where I'm coming from, because some of these songs in other versions might just sound ok. I suppose that's what makes Hawkwind different. Also someone listed the Nik Turner set recently inc. songs such as MOTU, Brainstorm, D-Rider etc the ones Nik wrote/co-wrote and if I remembered correctly hasn't HW now dropped these songs, which were over the years almost guaranteed at a live performance, but do not remember seeing MOTU and Brainstorm listed for Hastings and don't remember hearing them when at the Summer Camp. I wonder if this is something Dave has done intentionally after the alleged differences with Nik recently, by introducing his written songs over ones that Nik was involved in. Just wondered. Cheers, Eddie. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 4 12:58:39 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:58:39 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: There was a website having a vote for best space rock band - Hawkwind being one of several on the list. At the time I voted Hawkwind was coming 2nd. last I heard they were one vote away from #1. Not sure of the url now. Should have read it, used the link and voted. Might still be going if someone knows the url and would be kind enough to repost it. If Hawkwind comes second then we can all blame you for not voting cause you fessed up first. teehee ------------------- Vote for the all time best Hawkwind song? Fuckin elllll...... thats a fucking challenge or what? I think I'd rather beat myself over the head with a wad of rigamortis-ized gerbils. Take your fuckin pick - their all fuckin good... great... classic..... fuckin ellll.... music to shagg to. Orgasmic.... fantastic.... majestic..... (( I really must stop watching the fuckin osbournes) fuck me In a message dated Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:50:24 AEDT, "Jobson, Eddie" writes: > I saw someone post a mail recently titled vote. I presumed this was a poll > to vote on favourite HW songs? > > I didn't respond as I would find it difficult to vote on a lot of their > songs with the exception of some unique one off recordings such as The > Demented Man or Over the Top. Songs like these were obviously only ever done > once and in my opinion are classics, but other songs would depend on the HW > era or line up performing them. For example I might not say that Master of > the Universe was one of my top ten songs but would prefer to say what > perticular version of certain songs would be my favourites. For what it's > worth my top ten (in no particular order), might be: > > The Demented Man - Warrior album > Over the Top - Sonic Assasins > Back on the Street - Weird 105 > Orgone Accumulator - Space Ritual > Master of the Universe - Text of Festivals > Silver Machine - Glastonbury fayre > Urban Guerilla - Lyceum bootleg 13/7/80 > Shouldn't Do That - Roadhawks > Reefer Madness - Music Machine '77 > In the Office? - US Tour Video -89 > Damage of Life - Yule Ritual > > oopps that's eleven, but do you get where I'm coming from, because some of > these songs in other versions might just sound ok. I suppose that's what > makes Hawkwind different. > > Also someone listed the Nik Turner set recently inc. songs such as MOTU, > Brainstorm, D-Rider etc the ones Nik wrote/co-wrote and if I remembered > correctly hasn't HW now dropped these songs, which were over the years > almost guaranteed at a live performance, but do not remember seeing MOTU and > Brainstorm listed for Hastings and don't remember hearing them when at the > Summer Camp. I wonder if this is something Dave has done intentionally after > the alleged differences with Nik recently, by introducing his written songs > over ones that Nik was involved in. Just wondered. > > Cheers, > > Eddie. From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 4 14:03:57 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:03:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Message-ID: Just out of interest, who plays the drums on the Night of the Hawks DVD, and who is switching between keyboards and violin? Rich W From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 4 14:10:26 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:10:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Message-ID: Dead Fred on the violin/keys not sure about the drums, Clive Deamer, maybe? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Just out of interest, who plays the drums on the Night of the Hawks DVD, and who is switching between keyboards and violin? Rich W From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Sep 4 16:02:20 2002 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:02:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) In-Reply-To: <001501c2543e$59498090$5e25fd3e@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: Rick Martinez was the guy who was billed to do drums but who knows - 1984 was a bad year for HW and drummers, except that they ended the year with Danny T. Alan -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Nick Lee Sent: 04 September 2002 19:10 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Dead Fred on the violin/keys not sure about the drums, Clive Deamer, maybe? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Just out of interest, who plays the drums on the Night of the Hawks DVD, and who is switching between keyboards and violin? Rich W From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 4 19:56:33 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:56:33 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/02 11:59:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > Not sure of the url now. > www.space-rock.co.uk/ Mr. Helpful From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Wed Sep 4 05:56:50 2002 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:56:50 -0000 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung Message-ID: Regarding Nik's recent contributions, I have to second whoever (Eric Segerman perhaps) mentioned that Nik's performance during Harvey's set at the last Strange Daze was excellent. Very melodic, moody and atmospheric. He was even in-tune! (a frequent and unfortunately accurate criticism of Nik is that his sax or flute is frequently out of tune/sharp or flat) and never intrusive with both his sax and flute playing. It really made Harvey's set a special appearance. They should do it again together as a tour..... Having said that, I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, out of tune, forgetting lyrics, getting out of time with the band, and other antics. But, hey, I'll still go see the old boy and just hope I get him on a good night. John Stanton From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 4 21:11:33 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:11:33 -0300 Subject: HW: The One Eyed Bishops 'rotunda' lineup for November 9th Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops will be one of several bands, performing at the rotunda ( University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia), Saturday, November 9th. This event is being coordinated by Doug McMahon of Scattered Planets. I'm not qualified to report on the specifics, however there is a bit of info on the Scattered Planets website: www.scatteredplanets.com What I am really writing about is our lineup for the show: The personnel is set to be as follows: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Adam Klein: electric bass dulcimer, bones, percussion & vocals Constance Cook: djembe, percussion, dulcimers, vocals Jim Klinger: acoustic lead and rhythm guitars, jug Steve Miller: washboard Bob Beach: harmonica/flute ( tentative) This show will bring together members of 3 great bands; The OEBs, The Philadelphia Jugband, & Little Blue Heron ( Adam & Constance) I am really psyched to work with this lineup, and I hope we'll see some of you there, Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk www.t-rash.com www.Belgiummp3.be www.mp3.com/The_OEBs From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 4 21:16:31 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:16:31 -0300 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: The One Eyed Bishops 'rotunda' lineup for November 9th Message-ID: I forgot to at the PJB website. www.jugband.com peace, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:11 PM To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: The One Eyed Bishops 'rotunda' lineup for November 9th The One Eyed Bishops will be one of several bands, performing at the rotunda ( University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia), Saturday, November 9th. This event is being coordinated by Doug McMahon of Scattered Planets. I'm not qualified to report on the specifics, however there is a bit of info on the Scattered Planets website: www.scatteredplanets.com What I am really writing about is our lineup for the show: The personnel is set to be as follows: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Adam Klein: electric bass dulcimer, bones, percussion & vocals Constance Cook: djembe, percussion, dulcimers, vocals Jim Klinger: acoustic lead and rhythm guitars, jug Steve Miller: washboard Bob Beach: harmonica/flute ( tentative) This show will bring together members of 3 great bands; The OEBs, The Philadelphia Jugband, & Little Blue Heron ( Adam & Constance) I am really psyched to work with this lineup, and I hope we'll see some of you there, Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk www.t-rash.com www.Belgiummp3.be www.mp3.com/The_OEBs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 4 23:15:24 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:15:24 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: Cheers. Most Helpful :) Three cheers for HAWKWIND. They have taken the lead with 58.64% of the votes. (112) Im sure we can do even better with the votes lol ONE MORE TIME everyone!! In a message dated Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:56:39 AEDT, Joe Loehr writes: > In a message dated 9/4/02 11:59:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > > > > Not sure of the url now. > > > > www.space-rock.co.uk/ > > Mr. Helpful From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 5 05:30:53 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:30:53 -0400 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung Message-ID: HI Sara, At first when he was playing the Sax, it sounds pretty bad. After he started playing flute its wonderful. I always wondered if Harvey had planned to have Nik join him, or if Nik just did. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Zaza" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung > Regarding Nik's recent contributions, I have to second whoever (Eric > Segerman perhaps) mentioned that Nik's performance during Harvey's set at > the last Strange Daze was excellent. Very melodic, moody and atmospheric. > He was even in-tune! (a frequent and unfortunately accurate criticism of Nik > is that his sax or flute is frequently out of tune/sharp or flat) and never > intrusive with both his sax and flute playing. It really made Harvey's set > a special appearance. They should do it again together as a tour..... > Having said that, I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, > playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, out of tune, > forgetting lyrics, getting out of time with the band, and other antics. > But, hey, I'll still go see the old boy and just hope I get him on a good > night. > > John Stanton From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Sep 4 13:24:39 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:24:39 +0100 Subject: HW: SR vol 2 Message-ID: No Mike - no difference in tracks - certainly not actual tracks anyway. Oh, and for anyone who needs to know the "Year 2000-Codename hawkwind" CD (or whatever the real title is) has now been deleted officially by the distributor althoI daresay someone's sitting on a pile of overstocks somewhere. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: HW: SR vol 2 > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > Remastered was on the promo blurb from the record compnay and Dave here > > reprinted it on the leaflet. As I say in my review of it though, the sound > > is definitely sgarper and loude but hardly constitutes a remaster altho > > technically what they are saying is correct. I think it's a neat package > > myself and well worth having altho not as happy with othe two and noone's > > sent us a copy of the card cover "This IS" album yet, so no comments to that > > one at all. But,for me, SR2 does it. > > Is there any diffeence in tracks to any of the 4 new rereleases? > > Cheers > > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 5 11:33:09 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:33:09 +0100 Subject: Weird pic LPs Message-ID: Did anyone ever get any of these? I sent a cheque to Voiceprint a while back and got nowt. They also seem to have quit answering their email. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Sep 5 12:53:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:53:35 -0400 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung In-Reply-To: <023801c253f9$650feda0$a9d1f4d1@default>; from prabbit@GOWEBWAY.COM on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:56:50AM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:56:50AM -0000, Sara Zaza wrote: > [...] I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, > playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, out of tune, > forgetting lyrics, getting out of time with the band, and other antics. The same is true of HW, for that matter. Not the details of what makes bad gigs bad, but the general up-and-down-ness. Consider the recent Hastings and Hawkfest shows. The Grateful Dead had that reputation too, IIR. > But, hey, I'll still go see the old boy and just hope I get him on a good > night. Likewise! As long as he's not billing himself as "X-Hawkwind". -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Sep 5 18:09:28 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:09:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (September 5, 2002): We've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. See the playlist below. Lots of news again this time around so once again I've placed it all after the playlist. There's some hot news folks so be sure and check it out below. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #57: General Playlist Korai ?r?m - "Part 2" (from Korai ?r?m 1997) Avant Garden - "Archemedes Tub" (from Maelstrom) Judge Trev - "Trembling Hand" (from God And Man) Krom Lek - "Earth Energies" (from Collective Conscious) Census Of Hallucinations - "Where" (from Sixth Sense) Unlimbo - "Douk Chat" (from See What You Think) Mental Anguish - "Nitro Exposure" (Autocad Remix) (from Meshwerk) Cul de Sac - "The Dragonfly's Bright Eye" (from Immortality Lessons) Paul M. Kollar - "Subduction" (from Subtle Matter) Saunabadh - "Cup Of Tea" (from Iku-Turso) Saturnia - "Organo" (from The Glitter Odd) Black Sun Ensemble - "669" (from Hymn Of The Master) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. Be sure and check out our CD mail order catalog at http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html I recently discovered a print zine that all Aural Innovations readers would love. It's called The Broken Face and it's an English language zine published in Sweden. An essential read covering all kinds of psychedelia, space rock, electronic, avant-garde, you name it. Check them out at http://brokenface.exitflagger.com. Ed Wynne of Ozric Tentacles joins the Gagliarchives radio show this Saturday night, 9/7/02 from 10pm-2am EST to talk about the new double live album, Live At The Pongmasters Ball. Tune in at http://wbzc.bcc.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/wbzc889.rm Also check out the main Gagliarchives site at http://ghostland.com/gagliarchives to check out the schedule for loads of cool prog rock and related in the studio bands. Terrastock 5 will take place over the weekend of October 11-13 in Boston. The lineup of bands is huge but among the highlights will be The Spacious Mind, Acid Mothers Temple, SubArachnoid Space, Kinski, Charalambides, ST 37, Ghost, Motorpsycho, Surface Of Eceon, Sonic Youth, Bevis Frond, and Bardo Pond. You can get all details you need at http://www.terrascope.org/t5.html The Greasy Truckers 2002 30th Anniversary Party featuring Nik Turner's Space Ritual and Inner City Unit will take place on November 8th at The Mean Fiddler in London. You can get further info at http://www.spaceritual.net Issue #40 of the excellent zine Modern Dance is now online at http://www.modern-dance.co.uk. Modern Dance covers a gamut of music from psychedelia, space rock, electronic, and all forms of classic and modern rock. Everyone in the Cleveland, Ohio area will want to be at the Odeon on Saturday September 28 when guitarist Rick Ray opens for Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush. Rick is one of the most smokin guitarists around so don't miss this show. SubArachnoid Space is on tour!!! Oct 4, Chicago IL, The Hideout, with Grimble Grumble & Inner Thrones Oct 5, Detroit MI, TBD, with Paik Oct 6, Akron OH, Lime Spider, with Fuzzhead Oct 7, Pittsburgh PA, Platters, with Arco Flute Foundation & Powder French Oct 8, Rochester NY, Bug Jar, with Arco Flute Foundation & Pengo Oct 9, Easthampton MA, Flywheel, with Landing & Paik Oct 10, TBA Oct 11-13, Boston MA, Terrastock 5! Oct 14, TBA Oct 15, NYC, Mercury Lounge, with Bardo Pond, Lockgroove & Hopewell Oct 16, Brooklyn, TBD, with Kinski, Lockgroove & Tono-Bungay Oct 17, Baltimore MD, Talking Head, with Lockgroove & La Radio Ment Oct 18, Philadelphia PA, Khyber Pass, with Bardo Pond, Kinski & Acid Mothers Temple Oct 19, Cleveland OH, Beachland Ballroom, with Kinski, Acid Mothers Temple & Speaker\Cranker From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 5 18:35:45 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:35:45 EDT Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/02 9:02:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM writes: > Regarding Nik's recent contributions, I have to second whoever (Eric > Segerman perhaps) mentioned that Nik's performance during Harvey's set at > the last Strange Daze was excellent. Very melodic, moody and atmospheric. > He was even in-tune! . . . > . . .I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, > playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, out of tune, > forgetting lyrics . . . > Except for the forgetting lyrics part, wasn't (and hasn't) the same been many times said about Hawkwind? Joe From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Sep 5 19:08:41 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:08:41 -0700 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung In-Reply-To: <20020905125335.A10102@telepres.com> Message-ID: I have to disagree with the example here....Hastings was a great show (not quite as good as the Hawkfest, but....), it just sounded horrible; the band was up but the sound engineer was the down-ness. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Eric Siegerman > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:54 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW:Nik/Farflung > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:56:50AM -0000, Sara Zaza wrote: > > [...] I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, > > playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, > out of tune, > > forgetting lyrics, getting out of time with the band, and other antics. > > The same is true of HW, for that matter. Not the details of what > makes bad gigs bad, but the general up-and-down-ness. Consider > the recent Hastings and Hawkfest shows. > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 5 19:12:52 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:12:52 -0400 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:35:45 EDT, Joe Loehr wrote: >In a message dated 9/4/02 9:02:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM writes: >> Regarding Nik's recent contributions, I have to second whoever (Eric >> Segerman perhaps) mentioned that Nik's performance during Harvey's set at >> the last Strange Daze was excellent. Very melodic, moody and >> atmospheric. He was even in-tune! . . . >> . . .I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, >> playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, out of tune, >> forgetting lyrics . . . > >Except for the forgetting lyrics part, ... What about all those versions of "Ejection" where "Ejection" is the only lyric from the chorus that Alan would sing (or would sing the first chorus all 3 times)? Not to mention numerous times that Bob would sing things ... erm ... differently, but I prefer to think of that as "making up something new as he goes along" (as with "Over The Top", for instance). OTOH, Dave does seem to have a mind like a steel trap when it comes to lyrics. Better than me, I've forgotten *plenty* of lyrics whilst onstage, ones that I actually wrote, even! > ... wasn't (and hasn't) the same been many times said about Hawkwind? indeed :^) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 5 19:33:35 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:33:35 -0400 Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:47:34 +0100, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >... I would find it difficult to vote on a lot of their >songs with the exception of some unique one off recordings such as The >Demented Man or Over the Top. Songs like these were obviously only ever >done once and in my opinion are classics, but other songs would depend on >the HW era or line up performing them. For example I might not say that >Master of the Universe was one of my top ten songs but would prefer to >say what perticular version of certain songs would be my favourites. For >what it's worth my top ten (in no particular order), might be: > >The Demented Man - Warrior album >Over the Top - Sonic Assasins >Back on the Street - Weird 105 >Orgone Accumulator - Space Ritual >Master of the Universe - Text of Festivals >Silver Machine - Glastonbury fayre >Urban Guerilla - Lyceum bootleg 13/7/80 >Shouldn't Do That - Roadhawks >Reefer Madness - Music Machine '77 >In the Office? - US Tour Video -89 >Damage of Life - Yule Ritual > >oopps that's eleven, but do you get where I'm coming from, because some of >these songs in other versions might just sound ok. I suppose that's what >makes Hawkwind different. Those are all (well, mostly IMHO) great choices! I definitely get where you're coming from, and definitely agree that the "original" version of a song isn't always the best. Some of my favorite versions are the more "unique" ones, such as: 25 Years - Hawklords live (Griffin/Dojo, with the Elvis Costello rant) Urban Guerilla - Weird 104 (with the "Wage War" rant) Sonic Attack/Awakening - Oxford New Theater 6oct78 (thoughtcrime rant) (yes, I love Bob's freeform rants! someone recommend other good shows!) Hassan i Sahba - NYC Bottom Line 6march78 (extended House intro) Born To Go - Birmingham Kinetic Playground 6dec71 (30+ minute version!) etc. Or songs from shows with lots of loose jamming, such as Watchfield '75, Stonehenge '84 (second night), or the much-derided Glastonbury '90. Those are my favorite kind of Hawkwind concert ... >Also someone listed the Nik Turner set recently inc. songs such as MOTU, >Brainstorm, D-Rider etc the ones Nik wrote/co-wrote and if I remembered >correctly hasn't HW now dropped these songs, which were over the years >almost guaranteed at a live performance, but do not remember seeing MOTU >and Brainstorm listed for Hastings and don't remember hearing them when >at the Summer Camp. I wonder if this is something Dave has done >intentionally after the alleged differences with Nik recently, by >introducing his written songs over ones that Nik was involved in. Just >wondered. I have noticed this, too. Whether or not that's the reason, I think that dropping "Brainstorm" (or at least giving it a rest for a while!) from the setlist is a wonderful idea, as it's been played at nearly every show Hawkwind's ever done. "Master" hasn't been quite so overplayed, but Hawkwind have a large enough repertoire that it should be no problem to mix things from their history up a bit. One of the cool things about Hawkwind is that they DON'T play their "big hit" at every show they do, and I certainly haven't felt cheated by going to a Hawkwind show and not hearing "Silver Machine". Although despite Rudolph and the Calvert estate both being (allegedly) involved in the lawsuit, "Hassan i Sahba" still appears to be in the current set ... there's another one that could stand to take a vacation from the setlist (and it'll sound that much better when it *returns* from the vacation IMHO!), as it's been there fairly constantly since '86. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 5 20:09:09 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:09:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Message-ID: I'm not sure of the recording date of the video, but the possible drummers are: Rick Martinez - 16feb84 through 3mar84 Clive Deamer - 5march84 through 4june85 So it depends on whether the video was shot before or after 4 march 84. And yes, as previously stated, Dead Fred Reeves on keyboards and violin. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 5 20:19:14 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:19:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors Message-ID: Just a quick note to you lucky Europeans - don't miss this tour!! I saw them on tuesday night, and they were great. Very energetic and very together. I won't spoil the surprise(s) by naming songs (if you need to know, email me offlist), but in addition to tunes by the University, Daevid solo, and Gong (but no "Fohat", sorry Keith!), they also played several songs written by Daevid's former bandmates, Kevin Ayers and Robert Wyatt. In otherwords, a must-see show also for fans of those gents and early Soft Machine (Pat from Mushroom/Innerspace records tells me that Kevin guested with them in Seattle, and they played "Reelin' Feelin' Squealin'" [the very first Soft Machine single] for the first time in nearly 35 years! And that it *was* recorded - I *gotta* hear that!). Coming on the heels of the great Damo Suzuki show last week, I feel very lucky to have gotten to see such great music in town (so now, when are Hawkwind - either Dave or Nik - coming back to the states???). And, like I mentioned in an earlier message, if you catch one of their shows, be sure to say hi to Josh (guitar) and Michael (bass) for me, and buy them a drink (or two)! (assuming you can afford it, of course) -Doug (feel free to forward if you're on a Canterbury/Softs list) jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 6 00:08:59 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:08:59 -0400 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung In-Reply-To: ; from novadrive@COX.NET on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:08:41PM -0700 Message-ID: Ah, ok. I wasn't at either of them; I was just going by what I recalled reading here. Judging by what I've read before, though, the point still holds. I've never seen any *bad* HW gigs myself. I don't know whether that means that what I said is wrong, or that I've just been lucky. Or maybe, when it comes to HW, I'm simply an uncritical listener :-) There are a couple I might have classed as mediocre if I'd had some more "critical distance" (e.g. St. Catharines, 1991) but at that point I hadn't seen them often enough to be anything less than ecstatic about their mere presence (especially in my unremarkable little home town :-) Also the Hawkestra. But as I've written before, a lot of that was my own crappy mood on the day, and nothing to do with the band. Some people seem to agree that it wasn't so great a show, but then others think it was awesome, so that one's a wash, I guess. On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:08:41PM -0700, KevinSommers wrote: > I have to disagree with the example here....Hastings was a great show (not > quite as good as the Hawkfest, but....), it just sounded horrible; the band > was up but the sound engineer was the down-ness. > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Eric Siegerman > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:54 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW:Nik/Farflung > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:56:50AM -0000, Sara Zaza wrote: > > > [...] I've seen Nik many times when he was great, in good voice, > > > playing well, etc. but I've also seen him pretty untogether, > > out of tune, > > > forgetting lyrics, getting out of time with the band, and other antics. > > > > The same is true of HW, for that matter. Not the details of what > > makes bad gigs bad, but the general up-and-down-ness. Consider > > the recent Hastings and Hawkfest shows. > > > > | | /\ > > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > > | | / -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 6 00:15:11 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:15:11 -0400 Subject: HW:Nik/Farflung In-Reply-To: <200209052312.TAA23551@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:12:52PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:12:52PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > What about all those versions of "Ejection" where "Ejection" is the only > lyric from the chorus that Alan would sing (or would sing the first chorus > all 3 times)? Reminds me of the first time I saw him, in Toronto in '89. It seemed to me he was playing the Magnu bass part all night. I love that riff, but still that was a bit much. "He got better." (Python/Grail again...) > Not to mention numerous times that Bob would sing things ... > erm ... differently, but I prefer to think of that as "making up something > new as he goes along" (as with "Over The Top", for instance). Which he often was, I gather. Over the top, that is :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 6 01:23:07 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:23:07 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-lists 8/31/Reminder Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Tune in again this Sat (9/7) from 5-7pm PST for "Space Does Not Care" 8/31 Set #1 (5-7pm PST) 1.Faust-- "Why Don't You Eat Carrots?" (Faust/So Far; Collector's Choice) 2.Hopewell-- "The Angel is My Watermark" (The Curved Glass; Priapus ) 3.Knights of the Occassional Table-- "Budd E" (The Planet Sweet; Middle Earth/Jungle) 4.Floating Flower-- "Wave Ring" (1st/2nd; Black Plastic Sound) 5.High Tide-- "Walking Down Their Outlook" (Sea Shanties/ST'd; Liberty) 6.Flower Travellin' Band-- "Satori Pt. 1" (Satori; Warner Japan) 7.Hawkwind-- "The War I Survived/Voice Inside My Head" (Chronicle of the Black Sword; Dojo CD) 8.Alpha Omega-- "Scratching in Stone" (Electronic Mind Project) 9.Groundhogs-- "Split Pt. 2" (Split; EMI) 10.Hawkwind-- "Rocky Paths" (Sonic Attack; EBS) 11.Gaia Avatara-- "Gaia Avatara" (Strange Daze '97 comp; Pangea) 12.Korai Orom-- track #5 (Sound and Vision 2000; Kora) 13.FSOL-- "Glass" (Dead Cities; Virgin/EBV) 14.Bionaut-- "Re-Laminate My Organ Donor Card" (Strange Daze '97) 15.Amon Duul II-- "Surrounded by the Stars" (Wolf City; Warner) 16.Ozone Quartet-- "Backbone of Night" (Nocturne; Flat Five/thanks to OQ!) 17.Avey Tare & Panda Bear-- "Ahhh Good Country" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 18.Red Temple Spirits-- "Light of Christ" (Dancing to Restore an Eclipsed Moon; Save) Set #2 (9-11pm PST) 1.Can-- "Serpentine" (Out of Reach; EMI) 2.David Thomas and the Pedestrians-- "Through the Magnifying Glass" (More Places Forever; Twin Tone) 3.Capt. Beefheart and His Magic Band-- "Circumstances" (Clearspot; Reprise) 4.David Thomas/Pedestrians-- "Song of the Bailing Man" (More Places Forever) 5.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Sun Zoom Spark" (Clearspot) 6.Can-- "One More Day" (Out of Reach) 7.Hawkwind-- "Spirit of the Age" (Quark, Strangeness and Charm; Virgin) 8.ST 37-- "Willi Ti" (Frantic Search for Zero; Blue Circle) 9.SubArachnoid Space-- "Repetitive Smile" (Ether Or; Unit Circle) 10.Heiji Haino-- "You Will in No Way I Who Can in No Way" (Cosmic Harushi Monsters comp; Virgin) 11.Tangle Edge-- "The Approaching Tryptykhon Sunset" 12.Horchata/Ocosi-- "Slip Away" (ST'd; Zero 1 Media) 13.Taba-- "Electronic Truth" (Electric Red Light EP) 14.Zero Gravity-- "NRG" (Space Does Not Care; Hypnotic/Cleopatra) 15.Spacehead-- "Space Race" (Inhalations: Explode into Space; Dead Ernest) 16.Cosmic Jokers-- side 1 (Planeten Sit-In; Spalax) 17.Univers Zero-- "Le Corne du Bois des Pendus" (Ceux de Dehors; Cuneiform) 18.Tom Byrne-- "Knowing Another World" (The Last Druids) 19.F/i-- "Electric Waltz" (Why Not Now? Alan!/Out of Space, Out of Time; RRR) 20.Flowchart-- "Rain Boa Bye" (Cumulus Mood Twang; Carrot Top) thanks, Chuck From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Fri Sep 6 04:43:39 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:43:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: University of Errors Message-ID: Hi, Doug Glad to hear is was good. The new Album "ugly Music for Monica" is out in 2 weeks time, and what i've heard has been brilliant, Stoned innocent Frankinstein stuff They are touring with The Electric Prunes ( classic garage band) in the UK, in the Support slot... and hitting Bristol Oct 1st . Just seen Love with Arhur Lee 2 nights ago.... Boy that was a good night , whole bunch of good stuff, inc Daily Planet from Forever Changes. Speaking with Jonny Greene ( GAS ) he said there are No Gong dates this year in the UK, but there are Solo Daevid and University of errors gigs up to Xmas.... regards iain jasret at MINDSPRING.COM wrote: >Just a quick note to you lucky Europeans - don't miss this tour!! > >I saw them on tuesday night, and they were great. Very energetic and very >together. I won't spoil the surprise(s) by naming songs (if you need to >know, email me offlist), but in addition to tunes by the University, Daevid >solo, and Gong (but no "Fohat", sorry Keith!), they also played several >songs written by Daevid's former bandmates, Kevin Ayers and Robert Wyatt. >In otherwords, a must-see show also for fans of those gents and early Soft >Machine (Pat from Mushroom/Innerspace records tells me that Kevin guested >with them in Seattle, and they played "Reelin' Feelin' Squealin'" [the very >first Soft Machine single] for the first time in nearly 35 years! And that >it *was* recorded - I *gotta* hear that!). Coming on the heels of the >great Damo Suzuki show last week, I feel very lucky to have gotten to see >such great music in town (so now, when are Hawkwind - either Dave or Nik - >coming back to the states???). > >And, like I mentioned in an earlier message, if you catch one of their >shows, be sure to say hi to Josh (guitar) and Michael (bass) for me, and >buy them a drink (or two)! (assuming you can afford it, of course) > > -Doug (feel free to forward if you're on a Canterbury/Softs list) > jasret at mindspring.com > > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Sep 6 01:37:10 2002 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (filip) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:37:10 +0200 Subject: Imperial Pomp Message-ID: Hello Si, sorry for the late reply,but yes thankfully it has arrived last thuesday Thanks a lot,i'm searching for that one for about 15 years now. maybe,you can give my e-mail adress to that Belgium guy maybe we can get to know eachother? filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: Si Halley To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Imperial Pomp > Sorry to ask again, but I`m having problems with post to Belgium. Has this > album arrived with you yet? Please let me know. > > Si > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "filip" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: HW price help > > > > ok si, > > > > i give ?50 for the imperial pompadour > > let me know if it's enough > > > > greetings > > filip > > p.s.:e-mail me filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Si Halley > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:08 PM > > Subject: HW price help > > > > > > > I`m looking to raise a bit of cash and have the following vinyl but no > > firm > > > idea of what a fair price is on them. > > > > > > Any help (or offers) appriciated. I don`t really want to sell but a > > > reasonable offer could be acceptable > > > > > > Robert Calvert - Hype (A Side Records IF0311) > > > Hawkfan12 (All extras afaik - HWFB2) > > > Steve Swindles - Fresh Blood (Atco K50738) > > > Steve Swindles - Messages (RCA LPLI 5057) > > > ICU - Punkadelic - (Sharp103) > > > ICU - Maximum Effect (Avatar AALP5004) > > > ICU - Pass Out (Riddle 002) > > > Imperial Pompadors - (Ersatz Pomp 001) > > > Nik Turner - Xitintoday (Charisma CDS 4011) > > > Underground Zero - Never Reach The Stars (Flicknife Sharp023) > > > Underground Zero - Through The Looking Glass (Flicknife Sharp038) > > > > > > Any help appriciated. There`s other stuff but haven`t gone through it > yet. > > > > > > Si > > > > > > SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: > > > http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ > > > > From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Fri Sep 6 09:33:58 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:33:58 +0100 Subject: Imperial Pomp Message-ID: Subject: Re: Imperial Pomp > Hello Si, > > sorry for the late reply,but yes thankfully it has arrived last thuesday > Thanks a lot,i'm searching for that one for about 15 years now. Excellent! > maybe,you can give my e-mail adress to that Belgium guy > maybe we can get to know eachother? > filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be The other parcel was completely un-Hawkwind releated. Just a couple of old Iron Maiden programmes I had. Si From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Sep 6 11:45:59 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:45:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks DVD (Personnel) Message-ID: Hi Night of the Hawks was filmed on 9th March 1984, so Clive Deamer it presumably is... Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:09:09 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >I'm not sure of the recording date of the video, but the possible drummers >are: >Rick Martinez - 16feb84 through 3mar84 >Clive Deamer - 5march84 through 4june85 > >So it depends on whether the video was shot before or after 4 march 84. > >And yes, as previously stated, Dead Fred Reeves on keyboards and violin. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From jloehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 6 20:19:45 2002 From: jloehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:19:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Show in Marshall MI on Sept. 20 Message-ID: Anybody here going? I am! We could take over part of the bar as the BOC-L section! Joe From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Sep 7 06:12:23 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:12:23 +0200 Subject: off: mudhoney Message-ID: I went to see Mudhoney in the Melkweg in Amsterdam las night. They were great. A nice blend of old and new songs. The new ones a lot trippier than the old ones, but still have the Mudhoney feel to it. The best part was: they ended the show with "A song from their good friends Hawkwind". Then they payed a very nice version of Urban Guerilla! A nice, spacy interval in the middle! I looked like I was the only person in the audience to recognice the song :-) Go see them if they are around. --BArt From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sat Sep 7 12:17:04 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:17:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Press Release Message-ID: BLACK 'N' BLUE DVD UPDATE: (Press Release) BLACK SABBATH and BLUE OYSTER CULT were two of the biggest hard-rock titans of the 1970s, and an ingenious idea was conceived to have them join forces on a co-headlining tour. They hit the road together in 1980, and the result was the concert film 'Black & Blue.' 'Black & Blue' will make its eagerly awaited North American DVD debut when Classic Pictures releases it on October 8, 2002. In fact, 'Black & Blue' has never been issued on home video at all until now. This 80-minute cult film is such a rarity that it has even managed to avoid being widely bootlegged. More than 1.5 million people saw this 1980 tour, so it made sense to capture it on film. 'Black & Blue' was produced by George Harrison; the legendary Beatles guitarist had moved into the film production business by the late 1970s. The songs performed by Black Sabbath on 'Black & Blue' are: "War Pigs," "N.I.B.," "Iron Man," "Paranoid," "Die Young," "Neon Knights" and "Heaven and Hell." The Blue Oyster Cult selections included are: "Cities on Flame With Rock & Roll," "Dr. Music," "The Marshall Plan," "Divine Wind," "Godzilla," the Steppenwolf cover "Born to Be Wild" and the Doors cover "Roadhouse Blues." DVD bonus extras will include a new interview with Ronnie James Dio, biographies, discographies and a reproduction of the original movie poster. Black Sabbath's lineup of vocalist Ronnie James Dio, guitarist Tony Iommi, bass guitarist Geezer Butler and drummer Vinnie Appice was touring to promote the release of 'Heaven and Hell,' the first album since Dio had replaced Ozzy Osbourne. Dio had faced the unenviable task of replacing Osbourne, but the Rainbow veteran brought an entirely new sonic dimension to the band with his fearsome voice and songwriting skills. Appice replaced original drummer Bill Ward, who'd recorded 'Heaven and Hell' but soon left due to health reasons and his unhappiness about Osbourne's departure. 'Heaven and Hell' is deservedly considered one of Black Sabbath's best albums -- regardless of lineups -- and its stature as one of heavy metal's greatest albums ever increases with time. The Dio/Iommi/Butler/Appice version of Black Sabbath would go on to record 1981's underrated 'Mob Rules,' 1982's double live 'Live Evil' and 1992's 'Dehumanizer.' Blue Oyster Cult was in the middle of its creative and commercial peak in 1980. The band was on concert trail supporting the new album 'Cultosaurus Erectus.' Vocalist/lead guitarist Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser, vocalist/rhythm guitarist Eric Bloom, keyboardist/guitarist Allen Lanier, bass guitarist Joe Bouchard and drummer Albert Bouchard had combined forces to become one of the precious few hard rock/heavy metal bands to ever earn critical acclaim from the mainstream music press. Ever since its self-titled 1972 debut, Blue Oyster Cult was praised as "the thinking man's heavy metal band." BOC's "story" songs combined elements of horror, science fiction, fantasy, violence, love, and even humor. The 1976 album 'Agents of Fortune' spawned the huge hit "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," a simultaneously haunting and mesmerizing song that still receives widespread airplay. Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult pack such a fierce wallop on 'Black & Blue' that viewers will be left just that -- black and blue. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 7 12:40:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:40:56 EDT Subject: BOC: Press Release Message-ID: How muuuuuch senor? :-) In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:17:19 AEDT, The Rocker writes: > BLACK 'N' BLUE DVD UPDATE: (Press Release) BLACK SABBATH and BLUE OYSTER > CULT were two of the biggest hard-rock titans of the 1970s, and an > ingenious idea was conceived to have them join forces on a co-headlining > tour. They hit the road together in 1980, and the result was the concert > film 'Black & Blue.' > > 'Black & Blue' will make its eagerly awaited North American DVD debut > when Classic Pictures releases it on October 8, 2002. In fact, 'Black & > Blue' has never been issued on home video at all until now. This > 80-minute cult film is such a rarity that it has even managed to avoid > being widely bootlegged. > > More than 1.5 million people saw this 1980 tour, so it made sense to > capture it on film. 'Black & Blue' was produced by George Harrison; the > legendary Beatles guitarist had moved into the film production business > by the late 1970s. > > The songs performed by Black Sabbath on 'Black & Blue' are: "War Pigs," > "N.I.B.," "Iron Man," "Paranoid," "Die Young," "Neon Knights" and > "Heaven and Hell." The Blue Oyster Cult selections included are: "Cities > on Flame With Rock & Roll," "Dr. Music," "The Marshall Plan," "Divine > Wind," "Godzilla," the Steppenwolf cover "Born to Be Wild" and the Doors > cover "Roadhouse Blues." > > DVD bonus extras will include a new interview with Ronnie James Dio, > biographies, discographies and a reproduction of the original movie > poster. > > Black Sabbath's lineup of vocalist Ronnie James Dio, guitarist Tony > Iommi, bass guitarist Geezer Butler and drummer Vinnie Appice was > touring to promote the release of 'Heaven and Hell,' the first album > since Dio had replaced Ozzy Osbourne. Dio had faced the unenviable task > of replacing Osbourne, but the Rainbow veteran brought an entirely new > sonic dimension to the band with his fearsome voice and songwriting > skills. Appice replaced original drummer Bill Ward, who'd recorded > 'Heaven and Hell' but soon left due to health reasons and his > unhappiness about Osbourne's departure. 'Heaven and Hell' is deservedly > considered one of Black Sabbath's best albums -- regardless of lineups > -- and its stature as one of heavy metal's greatest albums ever > increases with time. The Dio/Iommi/Butler/Appice version of Black > Sabbath would go on to record 1981's underrated 'Mob Rules,' 1982's > double live 'Live > Evil' and 1992's 'Dehumanizer.' > > Blue Oyster Cult was in the middle of its creative and commercial peak > in 1980. The band was on concert trail supporting the new album > 'Cultosaurus Erectus.' Vocalist/lead guitarist Donald "Buck Dharma" > Roeser, vocalist/rhythm guitarist Eric Bloom, keyboardist/guitarist > Allen Lanier, bass guitarist Joe Bouchard and drummer Albert Bouchard > had combined forces to become one of the precious few hard rock/heavy > metal bands to ever earn critical acclaim from the mainstream music > press. Ever since its self-titled 1972 debut, Blue Oyster Cult was > praised as "the thinking man's heavy metal band." BOC's "story" songs > combined elements of horror, science fiction, fantasy, violence, love, > and even humor. The 1976 album 'Agents of Fortune' spawned the huge hit > "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," a simultaneously haunting and > mesmerizing song that still receives widespread airplay. > > Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult pack such a fierce wallop on 'Black & > Blue' that viewers will be left just that -- black and blue. From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Sat Sep 7 13:04:09 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:04:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Press Release In-Reply-To: <200209071617.MAA03575@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The Rocker wrote: >'Black & Blue' will make its eagerly awaited North American DVD debut >when Classic Pictures releases it on October 8, 2002. Do we get a European release? -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Sep 7 13:12:10 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:12:10 -0400 Subject: NICK LEE Message-ID: HI, I'm trying to find Nick Lee. Can you contact me please? Cheers STEPHE From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Sat Sep 7 14:40:09 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:40:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: ISO Damo Suzuki Message-ID: Hey Now! I don't know if there are any more tour dates on the Damo Suzuki Network West Coast Tour or not................. But if there are..... ....and if any list member will be attending.... Please contact me. I would think that they would be selling their releases at the shows. I have not been able to find them anywhere..... Dan are you out there? Chuck....? Did anyone tape the show that Doug P. mentioned or any other show? Thanx! Darrin From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Sat Sep 7 14:50:26 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:50:26 -0400 Subject: Outlook Express Help Message-ID: Hey Now! Just wondering if anyone on the list can help me w/ the way I receive the list via Outlook Express.....? I am setup in Digest mode. When I get the list, all the posts come as a lump of attachments up near the "Subject" box. Previously, when I was subscribed via Hotmail, the digest came as one big text file that I could read w/o clicking on each separate entry. As it is, I have been forwarding the BOC-L to my work where I have Microsoft Outlook. On that setup, each post comes as an attachment folder along the bottom, which is a little easier, but still not the way I would want....... It's frustrating to make the effort to open an attachment and it be some bullshit "Teehee Teehee" post that I could have scrolled right past otherwise.......... Is there a setting that I can change? Thanx! Darrin From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Sep 7 15:41:15 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:41:15 +0200 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just returned from a short holiday to Munich that was scheduled by my new research group family, and had an enjoyable time (much hefeweissen was consumed). Today, while most others went out to the shopping places, I went to the Deutsches Museum and looked at interesting things in science and technology, which luckily included occasional desciptions in English. Anyway, the coolest things were (seemingly) the entire family of Messerschmidt aircraft beginning with wooden models from the '20s.* (Oh, yeah, they had an original Wright biplane there too, though they said it had been necessarily reconstructed following damage in 1944.) And prominently displayed on the ground floor of the aeronautical 'wing' of the museum was the ME 262, which I understand now was the very first production-scale jet airplane. And then of course, just a few steps away was the Lockheed F-104G! "Uh, G? Yeah, G! You know, Herr Minister, G...uh, G for Germany!" If that wasn't a BOC-L moment, I dunno what is! The F-104G was very cool to see up close and personal. The F-104A I'd seen in the Smithsonian was hanging from the ceiling way far away from any intimate contact. Here, you could climb the little stepladder to peer right into the cockpit and almost reach in and pull on the two ropes overhead for Ejection! Which obviously occurred frequently, as (from what I could translate from the mostly-German text) there were 269 crashes and 110 pilot fatalities. "Anybody want to buy a starfighter? Just buy a plot of ground...and wait." I thought about buying one for myself (the 12-inch plastic version), but it was a ridiculous 140 Euros (that was the most inflated museum shop I'd ever seen!), so that will have to wait. :( Here you see a little peek at what's there... http://www.deutsches-museum.de/ausstell/dauer/luft/e_luftf2.htm *Sadly, I didn't see the infamous Messerschmidt car that was featured prominently in my favorite movie "Brazil" with the bubble top canopy thing. They had nice old Mercedes race cars though. I didn't have very much time to explore as we had an early departure time back to Schweiz, but I did walk along Prinzregentenstrasse (which runs just north of the aforementioned museum) which was the early home of Amon Duul II, before they moved out into the countryside to Kronwinkl 12. By the way, does anybody know exactly where that place is? Even just a town name or something? So I didn't have any real ADII moments there in Munich. The closest thing to a krautrock moment I've had so far was (last week) strolling past the studios of WDR Koln (at least their current location, which seems rather new actually) who broadcast lots of great concerts in the early 70s by krautrock bands, including those by Agitation Free and Eiliff that have now been put on CD by Garden of Delights, the label that I have had some involvement with over the past few years. Another "brush" with spacerock was my noticing a person here at 'my' institute wearing a Gong 'flying teapot' style t-shirt in the cafeteria, which surprised me no end. Unfortunately he was walking quickly in the opposite direction and I was mid-conversation with a coworker and didn't have the opportunity to query further...but I will keep my eyes open in the near future as I may have a kindred spirit or two here in my corner of Heidiland. Grakkl (FAA) From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 8 08:08:13 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:08:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: Press Release Message-ID: >. In fact, 'Black & Blue' has never been issued on home video at all until now. It was released in Europe in the Eighties, and we used to have a copy until dropout got the better of it. Would certainly be very nice to have it on DVD after all these years. GARY ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Rocker" To: Sent: 07 September 2002 17:17 Subject: BOC: Press Release > BLACK 'N' BLUE DVD UPDATE: (Press Release) BLACK SABBATH and BLUE OYSTER > CULT were two of the biggest hard-rock titans of the 1970s, and an > ingenious idea was conceived to have them join forces on a co-headlining > tour. They hit the road together in 1980, and the result was the concert > film 'Black & Blue.' > > 'Black & Blue' will make its eagerly awaited North American DVD debut > when Classic Pictures releases it on October 8, 2002. In fact, 'Black & > Blue' has never been issued on home video at all until now. This > 80-minute cult film is such a rarity that it has even managed to avoid > being widely bootlegged. > > More than 1.5 million people saw this 1980 tour, so it made sense to > capture it on film. 'Black & Blue' was produced by George Harrison; the > legendary Beatles guitarist had moved into the film production business > by the late 1970s. > > The songs performed by Black Sabbath on 'Black & Blue' are: "War Pigs," > "N.I.B.," "Iron Man," "Paranoid," "Die Young," "Neon Knights" and > "Heaven and Hell." The Blue Oyster Cult selections included are: "Cities > on Flame With Rock & Roll," "Dr. Music," "The Marshall Plan," "Divine > Wind," "Godzilla," the Steppenwolf cover "Born to Be Wild" and the Doors > cover "Roadhouse Blues." > > DVD bonus extras will include a new interview with Ronnie James Dio, > biographies, discographies and a reproduction of the original movie > poster. > > Black Sabbath's lineup of vocalist Ronnie James Dio, guitarist Tony > Iommi, bass guitarist Geezer Butler and drummer Vinnie Appice was > touring to promote the release of 'Heaven and Hell,' the first album > since Dio had replaced Ozzy Osbourne. Dio had faced the unenviable task > of replacing Osbourne, but the Rainbow veteran brought an entirely new > sonic dimension to the band with his fearsome voice and songwriting > skills. Appice replaced original drummer Bill Ward, who'd recorded > 'Heaven and Hell' but soon left due to health reasons and his > unhappiness about Osbourne's departure. 'Heaven and Hell' is deservedly > considered one of Black Sabbath's best albums -- regardless of lineups > -- and its stature as one of heavy metal's greatest albums ever > increases with time. The Dio/Iommi/Butler/Appice version of Black > Sabbath would go on to record 1981's underrated 'Mob Rules,' 1982's > double live 'Live > Evil' and 1992's 'Dehumanizer.' > > Blue Oyster Cult was in the middle of its creative and commercial peak > in 1980. The band was on concert trail supporting the new album > 'Cultosaurus Erectus.' Vocalist/lead guitarist Donald "Buck Dharma" > Roeser, vocalist/rhythm guitarist Eric Bloom, keyboardist/guitarist > Allen Lanier, bass guitarist Joe Bouchard and drummer Albert Bouchard > had combined forces to become one of the precious few hard rock/heavy > metal bands to ever earn critical acclaim from the mainstream music > press. Ever since its self-titled 1972 debut, Blue Oyster Cult was > praised as "the thinking man's heavy metal band." BOC's "story" songs > combined elements of horror, science fiction, fantasy, violence, love, > and even humor. The 1976 album 'Agents of Fortune' spawned the huge hit > "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," a simultaneously haunting and > mesmerizing song that still receives widespread airplay. > > Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult pack such a fierce wallop on 'Black & > Blue' that viewers will be left just that -- black and blue. > From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Sep 8 08:31:25 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:31:25 +0100 Subject: "Space Does Not Care" Message-ID: Having sat up to listen to this until 3am last night, I just thought I'd write in to praise Chuck's show. It's a really eclectic mix of psychedelic, progressive and space rock music. Subjective opinion - some of it is awful, some mediocre, a lot of it very good indeed. The point is that Chuck makes a very wide selection and presents stuff that would otherwise just not be heard. I had a bit of an epiphany at the end of his show, when he played the closing tracks of "Chronicle of the Black Sword". Despite the mystical bent of my own work, I've always preferred the technogically inspired Hawkwind material, typified by the Calvert period - High Rise, Robot, Uncle Sam, Damnation Alley, etc. The fantasy stuff of the mid 80s never did a lot for me, and Chronicle, purchased in 85, never got a lot of playing. However, I was very impressed by the closing section last night, (maybe I've mellowed over the years!) and consequently it will be on the turntable later today! (I should say that my favourable opinion of Chuck's show is by no means influenced by the fact that he has played 50% of my own album over the last few weeks!) Well done Chuck, keep up the good work. As far as my own stuff is concerned, I'm about 1/4 of the way through my second album "Asham Fair" - thanks to Steve Youles, Arin Komins and Rich Warren for acting as imptomptu critics and suffering the odd MP3 DCCed over to them on IRC for comment! Amazon appear to have decided they want to charge struggling artists an exhorbitant sum for selling their stuff in z-shops, so the listing of the first album there has finished and is now on ebay. It's selling reasonably well (a few copies despatched this week), but as its progressive style is celtic/world music based rather than space or psychedelic, I think I'll seek out an appropriate distributor when I get tired of stuffing the odd 2 or 3 envelopes a week myself. Having done my homage to my celtic roots, I'm enjoying working on the 2nd album, which is a rather heavier, space-rock influenced product. Regards Tom Byrne From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Sep 8 09:23:00 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:23:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong/Daevid Allen Good Morning CD Message-ID: I have posted my copy of the GOOD MORNING CD by Daevid Allen on Ebay if anyone is interested, I know there a few gongites here, and it is a Royal pain in the behind to obtain on CD. Sorry about the pricing, it's funding the transfer of my CD collection by post to the US ;-) But it is worth the money, being such a heavenly album. Has anyone heard the GAS reissue of Glastonbury Fayre 71 yet? Is it out, or has it been delayed? Cheers Rich W From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 8 12:19:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:19:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Press Release Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:14:47 AEDT, Cerberus writes: Hey dude!! We (Mikewind) miss the agent doghead tales man! How about an encore ? I hope for you - your paths are golden, the grass lush and green and your pipe is squeaky clean :) Peace Mikey B From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 8 12:29:19 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:29:19 EDT Subject: "Space Does Not Care" Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:32:10 AEDT, Tom Byrne writes: Hey Tom, HAIL "Space Does Not Care!! A radio station that DOES care about music that doesn't have a big corporate pole jammed up its ass and promoted as the music for the masses. More Power to em!! Looking forward to the new material Tom. The first cd was beautiful. I enjoy a wide range of musical styles (dunoo about cuntry & western tho - lol) Space rock is on the top of my list - but I find enjoyment in different realms of sound. You might be interested to know that the new cd I mentioned (Probably months ago now) in HawkiRC is seriosly nearing completion. I've written some lyrics and have had some contributions from a poet in canada which are really good. Anyway - let me know when the cd is ready - I'd love to own a copy Peace Mikey B From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 8 13:27:53 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:27:53 +0100 Subject: OFF\ Re: BOC: Press Release Message-ID: Hi Michael !!!!!!!!! Hope all is ok down under, and that everybody on Mikewind is ok. Agent Dog Head will return soon, for a second season on Billwind. Stay tuned........................GARY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: 08 September 2002 17:19 Subject: Re: BOC: Press Release > In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:14:47 AEDT, Cerberus writes: > > Hey dude!! We (Mikewind) miss the agent doghead tales man! How about an encore ? > I hope for you - your paths are golden, the grass lush and green and your pipe is squeaky clean :) > > Peace > Mikey B > > From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Sep 8 15:55:57 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:55:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bouchard Message-ID: Bouchard, the band featuring former Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard and bassist Joe Bouchard, are coming to London. They?re playing the Camden Underworld on October 24. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Sep 8 16:01:36 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:01:36 -0400 Subject: off: mudhoney Message-ID: Nice to see they're still showing good taste. After all they have previously recorded Motorheads "Over The Top". On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:12:23 +0200, Bart Brugmans wrote: >I went to see Mudhoney in the Melkweg in Amsterdam las night. They were >great. A nice blend of old and new songs. The new ones a lot trippier than >the old ones, but still have the Mudhoney feel to it. > >The best part was: they ended the show with "A song from their good >friends Hawkwind". Then they payed a very nice version of Urban Guerilla! >A nice, spacy interval in the middle! I looked like I was the only person in the >audience to recognice the song :-) > >Go see them if they are around. > >--BArt From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Sep 8 18:31:40 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:31:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. :-) Cheers, Rich. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Sep 8 20:24:04 2002 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:24:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bouchard In-Reply-To: <200209081955.PAA08729@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 9/8/02 3:55 PM, "The Rocker" wrote: > Bouchard, the band featuring former Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard > and bassist Joe Bouchard, are coming to London. They?re playing the Camden > Underworld on October 24. Does that mean I need to get a passport? This is the first I've heard of it. I think that's supposed to be a solo Joe gig. Al From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Sep 8 20:47:18 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:47:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bouchard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Bouchard, the band featuring former Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard >> and bassist Joe Bouchard, are coming to London. They?re playing the Camden >> Underworld on October 24. > >Does that mean I need to get a passport? This is the first I've heard of it. >I think that's supposed to be a solo Joe gig. >Al Do you have a doppleganger out there, like in that classic twilight zone episode? or maybe it's Godzilla. You don't have much time to get a passport... it typically takes over 4 weeks to get one. Jason PS: everyone must buy the deluxe "My Generation" by the Who. Your ears will thank you. From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Sun Sep 8 21:03:16 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:03:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Bouchard Message-ID: Subject: Re: BOC: Bouchard > On 9/8/02 3:55 PM, "The Rocker" > wrote: > > > Bouchard, the band featuring former Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard > > and bassist Joe Bouchard, are coming to London. They're playing the Camden > > Underworld on October 24. > > Does that mean I need to get a passport? This is the first I've heard of it. > I think that's supposed to be a solo Joe gig. > Al Joe is playing at the unofficial Alice Cooper convention in Crewe on Nov. 2nd, both with his band BDS (Bouchard, Dunaway, Smith) and a solo accoustic set in the afternoon. This possible London show isn`t connected to that. As one of the organisers of the convention, I`ve had no info about any other shows he/they may be doing while here but I`d certainly want to be there if it`s true! Maybe this is an extra BDS show and someone screwed up the announcement? Of course, If it is true and you`re in the UK Al, you`re more then welcome to come down with Joe to the convention too!! Our guest of course! If you get that passport sorted! Si The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Mon Sep 9 04:52:25 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:52:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gong/Daevid Allen Good Morning CD Message-ID: Hi Rich, Not heard the item but Jonny Greene GAS main man says its very good, its been digitally remastered so should be clear. Only problem is its only 21minutes long :-( Regards iain rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: >I have posted my copy of the GOOD MORNING CD by Daevid Allen on Ebay if anyone is interested, I know there a few gongites here, and it is a Royal pain in the behind to obtain on CD. Sorry about the pricing, it's funding the transfer of my CD collection by post to the US ;-) But it is worth the money, being such a heavenly album. > >Has anyone heard the GAS reissue of Glastonbury Fayre 71 yet? Is it out, or has it been delayed? > >Cheers > >Rich W > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 9 06:34:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:34:33 EDT Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: Yeah? Whats all this then me laddio? :-) In a message dated Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:32:33 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 9 07:23:51 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:23:51 +0100 Subject: Extremely rare single on Ebay Message-ID: The Italian "Hassan I Sabha" single is up for bidding on Ebay. Strangely it's listed by the B-side "Damnation Alley Part II". There's also no pic sleeve with it. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Sep 9 12:25:22 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:25:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich In-Reply-To: ; from keith.henderson@PSI.CH on Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:41:15PM +0200 Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:41:15PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > F-104G! "Uh, G? Yeah, G! You know, Herr Minister, G...uh, G for Germany!" Of course, if they really had named it to appeal to the customer's vanity, it would have been the F-104D :-) > [...] there were 269 crashes and 110 pilot fatalities. Out of how many planes total; did it say? Canada had a bunch of CF-104's (a further-"improved" version of the -G; go figure!). The Royal Canadian Air Force's web site gives this alarming statistic: > About 110 CF-104/CF-104Ds were lost in accidents, out of 239 > delivered -- a loss rate of no less than 46 percent. Yikes! The last of them were decommissioned in 1986 -- and sold to Turkey... > "Anybody want to buy > a starfighter? Just buy a plot of ground...and wait." Anybody want a Starfighter screensaver? http://home.planet.nl/~harrylui/screensaver/StarfighterScreenSaver.ZIP -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Sep 9 12:29:59 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:29:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: cool. I lived in Freedom Road for a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: OFF: Address > I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From micci at SCI.FI Mon Sep 9 12:46:15 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:46:15 +0300 Subject: OFF: Stocholm records store Message-ID: Hi! I need Stocholms record store address. I looking psych/ proge etc. I also looking fringe jacket. If you know any shop in Stocholm, please contact privately. Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Sep 9 13:29:05 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:29:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: And I know a girl who lived in Hawk Street! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Address > cool. I lived in Freedom Road for a while. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:31 PM > Subject: OFF: Address > > > > I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 9 14:21:19 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:21:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: And on an sort of OFF-OFF note, on a business search on D&B the other day, I came across a business called Hawk Windows. Had to be a fan - surely? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" > And I know a girl who lived in Hawk Street! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > > cool. I lived in Freedom Road for a while. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > > I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Mon Sep 9 15:29:19 2002 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Andre Denis) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:29:19 +0200 Subject: cleaning up my collection Message-ID: sorry if you see this link more then once. if you are not interested just use DELETE and it's gone :) for all the other people: i'm cleaning out some cd's, video's and vinyl from my private collection. so take a look at http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/trade.htm thanks for your attention. andre From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Sep 9 16:36:18 2002 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:36:18 -0600 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich In-Reply-To: <20020909122522.B20771@telepres.com> Message-ID: Hi, [German Starfighters] > > [...] there were 269 crashes and 110 pilot fatalities. >Out of how many planes total; did it say? Germany had a total of 916 Starfighters (with 136 being trainers). With 269 crashes, that's a loss rate of about 34%.... (c)IAO D+R From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Sep 9 17:04:18 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:04:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS ++ + + :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: BEDOUIN GIGS ANNOUNCED: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday September 14th Motex Harley-Davidson Company Shire Business Park Worcester FREE GIG !! Bedouin onstage (c)2.00pm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday September 14th Marrs Bar Pierpoint Street Worcester Doors: 7.00pm Tickets ?5.00 advance/?6.00 on door Contact: 01905-613336 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday September 21st Thomas Peacocke Community College Rye, East Sussex (Near Hastings) SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Lights by Chaos Illumination Doors: 7.30pm (finishes midnight) All tickets ?10.00 Information Line: 07899-676723 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday October 6th Limelight High Town Crewe URL: www.crewe-limelight.co.uk SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Doors: 7.00pm Tickets ?8.00 advance/?10.00 on door Contact: 01270-255519 Lights by Chaos Illumination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday October 24th Standard Music Venue Walthamstow London SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Doors: 8.00pm Tickets ?10.00 on door Contact: 020-8508-2523 Lights by Chaos Illumination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday October 25th Broadway Ballroom Broadway Hotel Letchworth SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Doors: 7.00pm Tickets ?10.00 on door Contact: 01462-480111 Lights by Chaos Illumination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + + From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Sep 9 19:00:22 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:00:22 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: And Nik & Co. are first out of the gate with a new release on OzIt/Morpheus. Due to the current dust-up between the Chaos Armies (and because it is explicitly mentioned on the disc) this is going to have to be judged at least partially in context with the unpleasant events taking place between the two camps, and undoubtedly my own opinions on that topic as well as those pertaining to the CD itself are going to conflict with those of others here, so caveats out of the way, here goes. While the "2001 Space Rock Odessey" set had sub-par bootleg quality sound for most of its length and was wrapped in a professional looking package, this time around it's almost the opposite. The packaging is very bootleggy, a CD-R with pasted on label, front insert printed on only 1 side of the paper, and no catalog # or barcode anywhere, though the OzIt/Morpheus logo does appear on both the front and back artwork. That said, the artwork itself is fine, colorful shots of the band members and the stage. The sound is much better than the bulk of 2001, but still not very professional, with a sub-optimal mix, though in its favor you can say that it's far from the over-processed slickness of Yule Ritual. Aside from the mix, this does begin to approach what a no-frills live recording should sound like IMHO, if not for some annoyances caused by sloppy mastering/editing. So overall lets call it even, no points plus or minus. The spine says "SPACE RITUAL.NET Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002". On the cover in large letters it says "SPACE RITUAL.NET" and in much smaller letters underneath it says "featuring ex-members of Hawkwind". Worth a point. Further down, still in smaller type, it says "Live at Glastonbury and Guildford Festival, 2002 - Includes new material featuring seventies members of Hawkwind: Nik Turner, Terry Ollis, Mick Slattery and Thomas Crimble". Tracks are: 1) Orion Sunrise (1:25) bit of jam from the end of Brainstorm. Segues into 2) The Awakening (4:18) more jam w/ Nik doing the Calvert poem at the start - there is a loud burst right at the beginning (glitch, static, mastering problem, I don't know what it is but it's annoying and it doesn't belong there - minus point). Segues into 3) Osiris (10:19) another jamming piece that turns into Thoth at the end (or the lyrics do anyway). There is a very distracting bit of clumsy editing here, with a 70 second chunk copied from near the middle of the piece and duplicated/dropped in near the beginning, no idea why this was done - minus point. Segues into 4) The Landing (4:02) Some new (few) lyrics recited over more jamming, real stretch to call it an actual song, but it is new - plus point. Goes into the next track a bit abruptly, probably an edit. 5) Blue Train (7:04) by John Coltrane. Surprisingly good and something new (in this context) - plus point. Fade out. 6) Space Grab (8:21) fade in into a great space jam. Could be the middle bit of any one of a number of songs, but this is great stuff. More points. Fade out. 7) Thunder Rider Rap (2:04) plus band intros, over Silver Machine riffing. Segues into 8) Warp Out (5:29) another good space jam loosely hung on the Silver Machine riff. Fade out. 9) D-Rider (11:02) decent laid-back version. At the end, Nik bitches about Dave Brock and the lawsuit, lose a point, negate point from the cover wording. Special mention to Mick Slattery's lead guitar, he puts in a great performance here, more plus points. Overall, this makes me think of HW's Zones album - not done very professionally, containing a bit of new stuff, OK for current fans, unlikely to bring in new fans. However, despite the problems, there is enough good stuff on here to make me like it, and recommend it, maybe most importantly for the potential this displays. With all its shortcomings, I think this disc is actually solid proof that Nik & Co. have it in them to produce not just a good jamming space-rock album, but a GREAT jamming space-rock album, one that could sit up there with the classics of space/psych/kraut rock. If you don't believe me, just listen again to Space Grab, or parts of Blue Train, or various short or longer stretches scattered throughout. In my completely ignorant and uninformed opinion, what they might need to produce such a great album would amount to basically 2 things in combination - 1) proper recording equipment, and someone who knows how to use it, as well as possibly acting as a producer-type person who could whip things into shape, which leads to requirement 2) some discipline from Nik and his musicians - or possibly just 1 of these 2 things, provided they REALLY went all-out on that one. The problem is that 1) requires money, and 2) requires, well, discipline from Nik and his musicians. If they concentrated on 2) they could almost certainly come up with something on their own, but by their own admission, they're there to have fun, to invoke the spirit of early HW, not to actually do anything new, so maybe they just don't WANT to do this. They obviously are getting really good at working through jams together, so w/o going overboard they'd just need some kind of minimal framework to hang those jams around. And they really need some kind of proper recording equipment, whether they want to be recorded live or in the studio, and someone who can edit/splice/mix tapes, because its done pretty amateurishly here. Alternately, they forget 2) altogether and concentrate on 1) - record lots and lots of jamming material and have someone who knows what he's doing reassemble the tapes, a la Teo Macero (and Bill Laswell) for Miles Davis. Problem there is who's going to do it? More to the point, who's going to do it for no money? Well, I very much hope that they DO do something, because I'll repeat, there is a whole lot of potential on display here. Stephan P.S. Speaking of HW's Zones, I have ordered all 4 of the new HW remasters and when they get here and I get the time I will do a comparision of sound and artwork that I will post to the list in hopes of offering some idea as to whether or not they are worth the purchase. P.P.S. Completely unrelated, I just learned, and maybe some KC fans could verify this, that original King Crimson band-members Giles / Giles / McDonald / Collins are playing together, doing both old and new stuff, and were supposed to debut at Canterbury 2002 at the end of August, performing under the name "21st Century Schizoid Band". Note they did NOT reform as "Xing Crimson". From youless at LVCM.COM Mon Sep 9 21:17:41 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:17:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich Message-ID: In 1985, when I was living in San Francisco, I interviewed for a job as a PC technician with a local defence contractor. I asked them what defence contracts they had and they replied that their main one was a contract with the RCAF to maintain their F104's, which were being used in a low-level ground attack role!!!!! Thoughts of Captain Lockheed came immediately to mind, as I smiled non-commitally and started edging my way towards the door. Incidentally, I also met (in 1980) a Pilot Officer who'd been based at an RAF strike base in Germany, and who had in fact been kicked out for drunkenness. I mentioned Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters to him but he already knew all about it. It was apparently a favourite among RAF aircrew in Germany at the time - I got the impression that they took it as being a piss-take of their German opposite numbers and no more than that... Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:25:22 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >Canada had a bunch of CF-104's (a further-"improved" version of >the -G; go figure!). The Royal Canadian Air Force's web site >gives this alarming statistic: > >> About 110 CF-104/CF-104Ds were lost in accidents, out of 239 >> delivered -- a loss rate of no less than 46 percent. > >Yikes! > >The last of them were decommissioned in 1986 -- and sold to >Turkey... From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 9 22:42:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:42:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Address Message-ID: I know some girls that live near Hawk Street........ and I've lived on.....errrm... ragamuffin Street...... Doesn't quite have the same cool sound tho does it...... In a message dated Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:29:43 AEDT, Nick Lee writes: > And I know a girl who lived in Hawk Street! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Address > > > > cool. I lived in Freedom Road for a while. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:31 PM > > Subject: OFF: Address > > > > > > > I'd just like to say I've put an offer in on a house in Rock Street. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 9 22:51:08 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:51:08 EDT Subject: cleaning up my collection Message-ID: My poor widdle delete key finger teehee no worries In a message dated Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:29:39 AEDT, Andre Denis writes: > sorry if you see this link more then once. > if you are not interested just use DELETE and it's gone :) > > for all the other people: > > i'm cleaning out some cd's, video's and vinyl from my private collection. > so take a look at http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/trade.htm > > thanks for your attention. > andre From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 9 22:55:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:55:50 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: Beam me up Scotty! Quick...... the klingons are closing in.... Scotty??? are you there???..... Scotty???... they are all female klingons scotty! ewwwwwwwwwwwww.....and they're naked..... their tits look like their foreheads...... only saggy........ oh my god - they have probes - run away....... run awayyyyyyyy!!!!!! In a message dated Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:04:35 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ++STAR WARRIORS ++ + + > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > BEDOUIN GIGS ANNOUNCED: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Saturday September 14th > Motex Harley-Davidson Company > Shire Business Park > Worcester > > FREE GIG !! > Bedouin onstage (c)2.00pm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Saturday September 14th > Marrs Bar > Pierpoint Street > Worcester > Doors: 7.00pm > Tickets ?5.00 advance/?6.00 on door > Contact: 01905-613336 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Saturday September 21st > Thomas Peacocke > Community College > Rye, > East Sussex > (Near Hastings) > SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge > (Bedouin features guest Simon House) > Lights by Chaos Illumination > Doors: 7.30pm (finishes midnight) > All tickets ?10.00 > Information Line: 07899-676723 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sunday October 6th > Limelight > High Town > Crewe > URL: www.crewe-limelight.co.uk > SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge > (Bedouin features guest Simon House) > Doors: 7.00pm > Tickets ?8.00 advance/?10.00 on door > Contact: 01270-255519 > Lights by Chaos Illumination > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thursday October 24th > Standard Music Venue > Walthamstow > London > SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge > (Bedouin features guest Simon House) > Doors: 8.00pm > Tickets ?10.00 on door > Contact: 020-8508-2523 > Lights by Chaos Illumination > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Friday October 25th > Broadway Ballroom > Broadway Hotel > Letchworth > SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge > (Bedouin features guest Simon House) > Doors: 7.00pm > Tickets ?10.00 on door > Contact: 01462-480111 > Lights by Chaos Illumination > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + > > + + From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Sep 9 23:25:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:25:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich In-Reply-To: <200209100117.VAA16697@listserv.spc.edu>; from youless@LVCM.COM on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:17:41PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:17:41PM -0400, Steve Youles wrote: > Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters [...] > was apparently a favourite among RAF aircrew > in Germany at the time - I got the impression that they took it as being a > piss-take of their German opposite numbers and no more than that... Holy cow, the thing actually was "G for Germany"! He says it in those words; gee, I wonder if he's a closet HW fan. There's an amazing amount of love for these planes out there, just a few examples being: - starfighters.nl - everything you always wanted to know about the F-104, and lots more too. Pretty dry, but this page gives the history of the German sale: http://members.home.nl/noor.luijkx/history/f104_11.html - starfighters.net - a couple of them in private hands, doing the American air-show circuit; they have a third currently being restored. "The world's *fastest* airshow team", they bill themselves. - http://www.dcr.net/~stickmak/JOHT/joht12f-104.htm - a very good, and quite funny, article explaining why people love them so much, and also a bit of the "why" for those dumb decisions that Calvert only gave us the "what" of. Oh, and an interesting take on all those German (and, presumably, Canadian) crashes -- he puts it down to bad training. Well worth reading. (It kind of bogs down in the middle with a lot of statistics, but don't give up; skim. It gets fun again later on.) "You can trust the Italians to recognize and appreciate a sports car," he says, "even if it does have wings." Not too many F-104 pages mention "Captain Lockheed", though I did find a couple: a reader comment, and a link (broken, of course) to "Catch a Falling Starfighter" on "Spirit of the P/Age". -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From coral at APORT.RU Tue Sep 10 04:09:18 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:09:18 +0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Sounds like Zones, you say? The worst HW release? no, I won't ever buy this album and anything from OZIT and this damned company led by Nik. If it sounds like Zones... A bunch of jams you say? Like the last bootleg one? And D-Rider? Nik can't sing, can't play sax, he ruined his best song. You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live recording ever. Alisa From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Sep 10 07:41:10 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:41:10 +0100 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Oh for pete's sake, wake up and smell the coffee! It's not bad at all, and I love it because I was there, but from almost ANY perspective, that statement just doesn't hold up... It's antiseptic & lacking atmosphere, and although the sound quality is better than I would have expected from the in-room sound, there's way too much missing. Too much studio tinkering methinks. OK, OK it could be the complete collection of all of your favourite hawksongs in one easy to use package etc. etc. but I seriously doubt it will stand the test of time like SR. And going outside of the hawkzone there are probably over a dozen live albums that kick SERIOUS ass!!! In the context of this list, "OYFOOYK" is a good place to start, "No Sleep 'til Hammersmith"... Or how about "Live & Dangerous" (OK, so I know that's supposed to have been doctored in the studio). For my own more specifically twisted tastes, all but one of Last Exit's albums were recorded live... Then there's "Live At Leeds". Check out the Jack Bruce "BBC In Concert" set... OK, I'll shut up now, but, get my drift? My 2p worth ChrisW -----Original Message----- >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:09:18 +0400 >From: Alisa >Subject: Re: NIK: new album >--snip--< You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live recording ever. Alisa From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 07:54:23 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:54:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive ? new album ? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Anyone aware of this. Just gor a note through from 101cd about the following. Is it yet another bloody Castle, whoever re-release, or even a further copy of a copy of a copy of a Dave Anderson pile of bollocks...... OR is it a new Album ( which I very much doubt).. regards Iain -------- Original Message -------- Subject: PRE-ORDER HAWKIND LIMITED EDITION NOW!! Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:17:56 +0100 From: sales at 101cd.com To: Dear iain, Hi Pen here from 101 to let you know that you can now pre-order the limited edition copy of Cosmic OverDrive from 101 cd.com for the top price of just ?11.99. This 3cd set is incredibly limited, so if u want a copy you will need to place your order within the next 48hrs!! Please click on the link below http://www.101cd.com/music/info.asp?id=806162 many thanks Pen at 101 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Sep 10 09:20:01 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:01 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album In-Reply-To: <000901c258a1$5db028c0$94fb2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 12:09:18PM +0400, Alisa wrote: => You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live => recording ever. Best live recording ever, you say? Haven't you heard the Allman Brothers _At Fillmore East_????? (Even within the Hawkwind canon I'd say _Space Ritual_ easily beats out _Yule Ritual_.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 09:52:11 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:11 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: What is the history about the Zones album? yes - yule ritual is a great cd!! :) In a message dated Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:09:05 AEDT, Alisa writes: > Sounds like Zones, you say? The worst HW release? > > no, I won't ever buy this album and anything from OZIT and this damned > company led by Nik. If it sounds like Zones... > > A bunch of jams you say? Like the last bootleg one? And D-Rider? > Nik can't sing, can't play sax, he ruined his best song. > > You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live > recording ever. > > Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Tue Sep 10 10:03:55 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:03:55 +0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: > What is the history about the Zones album? A bunch of bad recorded and bad mixed tracks. Which are rather good musically... > yes - yule ritual is a great cd!! :) :). It's has absolutely perfect sound and playing and wonderful versions. But people have different tastes and it's often that some people like noisy "blanga" recordings more :). But even this should be played together not in chaos. By the way, when the out of tune, unrehearsed playing began to call improvisation and jam? Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Tue Sep 10 10:06:43 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:06:43 +0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: and some more. How can a bunch of jams be called "new material"? From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Sep 10 10:14:49 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris W) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:14:49 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:01 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >Best live recording ever, you say? Haven't you heard the Allman >Brothers _At Fillmore East_????? > Ah yes, ABB @ Fillmore... how could I have forgotten that Stap me vitals, I'm going stupid in me old age ChrisW From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Sep 10 10:16:57 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris W) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:16:57 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:03:55 +0400, Alisa wrote: >By the way, when the out of tune, unrehearsed playing began to call >improvisation and jam? > >Alisa Ask Robert Fripp ChrisW From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Sep 10 10:30:37 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris W) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:30:37 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:06:43 +0400, Alisa wrote: >How can a bunch of jams be called "new material"? Quite easily if you subscribe to the "Spontaneous Composition" ideal. Granted that in the rock world these musical adventures only rarely lead anywhere truly novel, but as somebody who has over the years spent a long time in the purely improvised soundworlds of the likes of AMM, Evan Parker, Derek Bailey I have been witness to (& have CDs of) some of the most magnificent and magical music of the last 40 years. Sometimes these guys fall on their arses when things don't quite work, but when they take off, they really fly! However, if all you want is "New Material", it'll reduce your CD acquisition costs immensely. Let's see, we'll scrap about 80% of the Dead's catalogue, any guesses what proportion of Hawkdiscs you could forget??? Do we ignore cover versions. I admit, I'm being ridiculous here, but it's to make the point that this sort of argument is philosophical hair-splitting to rival the debate about angels & pinheads! (Now there's a great name for an album or band - maybe I should copyright it, along with "Xangels & pinheads", "angels & pinheads X" and "angels & Xpinheads" just to be safe...) ChrisW See you on the other side From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 10:56:28 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:56:28 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Brothers and Sisters ...... You aint heard nuthin untill you've heard the LIVE Rolf Harris in his underpants with his super groovy Psychedelic swingers from his 1992 UK tour....... Man with such great hits as... Pull me kangaroo sport Jake the peg and his electrifying solos on his electric wobble board you'll be spell bound for hours...... I heard he was giving out free catnip as you walked in the door - trippy or what!!! In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:15:06 AEDT, Chris W writes: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:01 -0400, Paul Mather > wrote: > > >Best live recording ever, you say? Haven't you heard the Allman > >Brothers _At Fillmore East_????? > > > > Ah yes, ABB @ Fillmore... how could I have forgotten that > > Stap me vitals, I'm going stupid in me old age > > ChrisW From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 10:58:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:58:58 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: oooos a naughty boy - ooooooooos a naughty boy faaaaaaaarrrrrrkkkkkkk!! In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:17:15 AEDT, Chris W writes: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:03:55 +0400, Alisa wrote: > > >By the way, when the out of tune, unrehearsed playing began to call > >improvisation and jam? > > > >Alisa > > Ask Robert Fripp > ChrisW From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Sep 10 12:18:35 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear Message-ID: A specially packaged and priced three-CD set, featuring the UK's most spaced out band live at three separate concerts in the early seventies with the original line-up. This collection features rare, live extended versions of classic Hawkwind tracks such as ;Masters Of The Universe', 'Sonic Attack' and 'Hurry On Sundown'. 3000 only, all numbered. Disc One - Sundown,Brixton 30.12.72 Space - Orgone Accumulator - Upside Down - Sonic Attack - Time We Left - 10 Seconds Of Forever - Brainstorm - Seven By Seven - Masters Of The Universe - Welcome To The Future Disc Two - Cambridge Corn Exchange 1971 Masters Of The Universe - You Know You're Only Dreaming - You Shouldn't Do That - Hurry On Sundown - Paranoia - See It As You Really Are - I Do It - Came Home Bonus Disc Three - Live At Wembley Empire Pool, 1973 Gaga - In The Egg - Orgone Accumulator - wage War - Urban Guerilla - Masters Of The Universe - Welcome To The Future - Sonic Attack - Silver Machine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 10 12:26:02 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:26:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear In-Reply-To: The Rocker's message of Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: The Rocker writes: > A specially packaged and priced three-CD set, featuring the UK's most > spaced out band live at three separate concerts in the early seventies with > the original line-up. > > This collection features rare, live extended versions of classic Hawkwind > tracks such as ;Masters Of The Universe', 'Sonic Attack' and 'Hurry On > Sundown'. > > 3000 only, all numbered. This amounts to: Space Ritual II In The Beginning Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin Or in other word it's the Codename Hawkwind stuff being rereleased yet again. It's the Never Ending Story of the Never Listening Dave Anderson. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Sep 10 12:39:50 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:39:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear In-Reply-To: <200209101626.RAA20853@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 05:26:02PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: => The Rocker writes: [...] => > This collection features rare, live extended versions of classic Hawkwind => > tracks such as ;Masters Of The Universe', 'Sonic Attack' and 'Hurry On => > Sundown'. [...] => Or in other word it's the Codename Hawkwind stuff being rereleased yet => again. => => It's the Never Ending Story of the Never Listening Dave Anderson. The part that really made me laugh out loud was the "This collection features rare, live extended versions..." Given the number of times this material has been re-re-etc.-released, they can be considered anything BUT rare, now. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 12:52:12 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:52:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear delete if offended.. swear words afoot.... Message-ID: Sorry for the following, I've just blown up.... cant we screw Dave (asshole)Anderson over. He really pisses me off, Him and all the other wankers who resale all this shite every six months. I really have no intention of giving this tosser another penny. And as for his foray's into Spaceritual.net I wish Nik would come to his senses and get back to what he does best... ICU and his Cuban allstars stuff. God what a shower of shite they are, do they honestly expect another penny from me............. iain fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK wrote: >The Rocker writes: > > > >>A specially packaged and priced three-CD set, featuring the UK's most >>spaced out band live at three separate concerts in the early seventies with >>the original line-up. >> >>This collection features rare, live extended versions of classic Hawkwind >>tracks such as ;Masters Of The Universe', 'Sonic Attack' and 'Hurry On >>Sundown'. >> >>3000 only, all numbered. >> >> > >This amounts to: > >Space Ritual II >In The Beginning >Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin > >Or in other word it's the Codename Hawkwind stuff being rereleased yet >again. > >It's the Never Ending Story of the Never Listening Dave Anderson. > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 10 12:55:31 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Dave, Can we have an Autumn tour please. It doesn't have to be big , just a couple of dates, Friday / Saturday nights would be cool. Somewhere south west would be most cool Missed the outdoor gigs during the summer, really sad about missing the camp. I was 30 miles away :-( stuck...... Please can we have a Haloween gig, like bristol a few years ago, what a night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 10 13:03:53 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:03:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear delete if offended.. swear words afoot.... In-Reply-To: Iain Ferguson's message of Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:52:12 +0100 Message-ID: Iain Ferguson writes: > Sorry for the following, I've just blown up.... > > > cant we screw Dave (asshole)Anderson over. I'm game. > He really pisses me off Moi aussi. Does anyone have any suggestions? The first thing that comes to my mind is that we produce and distribute amongst ourselves some stickers. These should be arranged to state the truth (meaning we have to find it out). Let's say that they say "Not official Hawkwind release. Avid fans say these are not the best quality sound and advise a different purchase" We all spend time looking at CD's in record shops. We arm ourselves by printing these stickers (every stationers has cheap A4 sheets with up to 60 stickers on them - I use them for sending postcards) and applying them as necessary. The record shops will soon enough notice and may take it further. At the very least they'll avoid reordering just to avoid the hassle of peeling off the stickers. It may not take this happening in many shops in a chain for the word to percolate to where it needs to. The only real risk is whether they'd avoid the hassle by not ordering in any Hawkwind stuff at all. Would this be obvious by the stickers targetting only particular albums? If someone gets caught doing this then it might in the long run be even better. Demand a chance to see someone and question why they're stocking poor quality non-official material. Over to the floor... FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Sep 10 13:11:15 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:11:15 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album In-Reply-To: <001b01c258d2$e78e8a10$3bfb2ed4@ghostwheel3>; from coral@APORT.RU on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 06:03:55PM +0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 06:03:55PM +0400, Alisa wrote: > By the way, when the out of tune, unrehearsed playing began to call > improvisation and jam? When they decide to put it on a CD and start flogging it... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Sep 10 14:25:27 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:25:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear Message-ID: The only Rare thing is nothing new. :-) Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 05:26:02PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > => The Rocker writes: > [...] > => > This collection features rare, live extended versions of classic Hawkwind > => > tracks such as ;Masters Of The Universe', 'Sonic Attack' and 'Hurry On > => > Sundown'. > [...] > => Or in other word it's the Codename Hawkwind stuff being rereleased yet > => again. > => > => It's the Never Ending Story of the Never Listening Dave Anderson. > > The part that really made me laugh out loud was the "This collection > features rare, live extended versions..." Given the number of times > this material has been re-re-etc.-released, they can be considered > anything BUT rare, now. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Sep 10 15:50:09 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:50:09 +0200 Subject: OFF: Catch a Falling Starfighter... Message-ID: ES offers... >There's an amazing amount of love for these planes out there, just >a few examples being: > - starfighters.nl - everything you always wanted to know about > - starfighters.net - a couple of them in private hands, doing > - http://www.dcr.net/~stickmak/JOHT/joht12f-104.htm Thanks for those links, Eric. The latter was indeed a fascinating read, and I'm hardly the aviation buff, but it was still quite understandable to the layperson and like I said, a totally engaging story even regardless of any connection to HW. I wonder if this guy has a similar take on the long, winding (ongoing) road of the Osprey? When I have a spare moment, I'll have to surf a bit to see. Grakkl (FAA, not affiliated with the FAA or the Gremlin of the Air for that matter, but rather a completely different FAA, one derived from 12 Monkeys) ObCD: Gong - Est Mort (performance-wise, but if you wanna hear a potentially-brilliant album nearly wrecked by terrible edits, here's your chance! NB: May include "jams") From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 10 16:22:33 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:22:33 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <3D57E8EE.8E26E55B@blueyonder.co.uk>; from hawkthing@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 05:57:18PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 05:57:18PM +0100, f. rat typed out: > I quite take your point. Personally I probably wouldn't be too aggrieved > to turn up to XHawkwind thinking they were "the real thing" (whatever > that is I mean c'mon they probly get so spaced before gigs Dave can't > tell himself from an implementation of Nik or even DikMik in the first > place!!!!) I don't think Dave thinks drugs and work mix, now. There are some quotes in the sort of interview at the Philm Freaks website which back this up, have a sken at and see what I mean. Perhaps this was the problem with Ron, who can say. Having seen the Nikwind Hawkestra last year I was bloody impressed, but mostly with the way it just about held together on what was clearly minimal rehearsal. If that had been supposed to be Hawkwind I'd be annoyed because I expect Hawkwind to be professional. They're both good but in different categories (and they can both be terrible some nights). There really isn't that much comparison. Yours, Jon ObCD: Wellwater Conspiracy - _Declaration of Conformity_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 10 16:25:36 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:25:36 +0100 Subject: nik turner deeply vale 1978 In-Reply-To: <200208131427.KAA00262@listserv.spc.edu>; from alfred.koessl@NETWAY.AT on Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:27:24AM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:27:24AM -0400, Alfred K?ssl typed out: > Does anyone know the exact date of Nik Turner live at Deeply Vale > 1978 ? In the sleeve, which you'd have if you'd bought it,[1] there's a running order for the festival which has Nik on last thing on Friday July 21st. Hope that helps, yours, Jon [1] Yes OK, there are perfectly reasonable reasons not to want to buy this one but it's a knee-jerk response... -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Sep 10 16:27:49 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:27:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Xmas Message-ID: + + + STAR WARRIORS: WEIRD VINYL RELEASES: Due to unforeseen circumstances, the proposed vinyl picture discs will now not be available. Anyone who sent to Voiceprint for these will be refunded this week. However, on a more positive note, Hawk records will be issuing a double cd recorded live at Canterbury 2001, featuring Arthur Brown before Christmas, and there will be a London Xmas party gig in mid-december. MESSAGE ENDS : : : : www.hawkwind.com www.hawkwind.biz www.hawkwind.org.uk www.hawkwind.info From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 10 16:37:19 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:37:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3D7E2403.2010807@aol.com> Message-ID: Brixton Academy would be brilliant - best venue in the country! Friday or Saturday, don't mind either way. BUT SOOOOOOONNNNN! Horse On 10 Sep 2002 at 17:55, Iain Ferguson wrote: > Dave, > > Can we have an Autumn tour please. It doesn't have to be big , just a > couple of dates, Friday / Saturday nights would be cool. Somewhere south > west would be most cool > > Missed the outdoor gigs during the summer, really sad about missing the > camp. I was 30 miles away :-( stuck...... > > Please can we have a Haloween gig, like bristol a few years ago, what a > night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Sep 10 16:53:50 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:53:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Why not just make it a world tour? Then everyone can see them. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! > Brixton Academy would be brilliant - best venue in the country! > Friday or Saturday, don't mind either way. > > BUT SOOOOOOONNNNN! > > Horse > > On 10 Sep 2002 at 17:55, Iain Ferguson wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > Can we have an Autumn tour please. It doesn't have to be big , just a > > couple of dates, Friday / Saturday nights would be cool. Somewhere south > > west would be most cool > > > > Missed the outdoor gigs during the summer, really sad about missing the > > camp. I was 30 miles away :-( stuck...... > > > > Please can we have a Haloween gig, like bristol a few years ago, what a > > night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Sep 10 17:15:11 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:15:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Xmas Message-ID: >However, on a more positive note, Hawk records will >be issuing a double cd recorded live at Canterbury >2001, featuring Arthur Brown before Christmas, and there >will be a London Xmas party gig in mid-december. Great - I look forward to both. But what of the new album and tour? It's now past the proposed "late summer" - did I miss them? ;@) Dave From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Sep 10 17:28:03 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:28:03 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN/OFF: The MC5 frame by frame! Message-ID: from the waynekramer.com message board: The long awaited film, MC5:A True Testimonial will be shown at the Toronto Film Festival on Wens 9/11 and Fri 9/13.Also I hear there will be a Detroit premiere in late October.In related news, a Scott Morgan's Powertrane w/Deniz Tek and Robert Gillespie gig at the Blind Pig 11/1,if I recall correctly.The I94-Bar is a good source for Detroit/Aussie/NY rock news.www.i94bar.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Sep 10 17:39:18 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:39:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bloody stupid question Message-ID: I don't suppose there's anyone on the list who's got a copy of "Beginnings" by Ambrose Slade that they want to sell is there? Cheers, Rich. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Sep 10 20:26:58 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:26:58 +0000 Subject: Bad taste??? Message-ID: Black September Black September BLACK SEPTEMBER Death to all infidels in oil Guide us oh thou djiny..... Or even, Highrise They say that he jumped But we all know he was pushed Chris PS I do not mean any offense to anyone I just got a perverse sense of humour;-) PPS What about a video of Highrise with relevent video footage... I've thought about trying to do one but my box is too slow to capture good video. Even if all royalties went to relevent charity I garantee it would be banned everywhere. PPPS I was living in Cairo during the run up to the Gulf war and the Arabs nearly lynched me for singing Assassins of Allah.... Some people just have no sense of humour. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Sep 10 20:27:09 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:27:09 +0000 Subject: Nik: new album Message-ID: Yo, There are even a few Dead Head albums which although very edited are Great live albums eg. Anthum to the sun. That one always blows my mind! Chris Chris W wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:01 -0400, Paul Mather > wrote: > > >Best live recording ever, you say? Haven't you heard the Allman > >Brothers _At Fillmore East_????? > > > > Ah yes, ABB @ Fillmore... how could I have forgotten that > > Stap me vitals, I'm going stupid in me old age > > ChrisW From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Sep 10 20:27:13 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:27:13 +0000 Subject: Nik: new album Message-ID: Hi ya, In _exactly_ the same way all the UA albums are.... well first few deffinately cause thats what they did... just jam in a studio smashed out of their heads on acid and f%^&'ing good hash and then some poor idiot must splice the resulting tapes into something co-hearent. My spies inform me that doremi was first album HW (Dave??) produced themselves which is why the mix is a bit icky. Chris Alisa wrote: > > and some more. > > How can a bunch of jams be called "new material"? From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 10 19:35:49 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:35:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <004801c2590c$2a8564e0$8eb53318@stepheandamy> Message-ID: Suits me.... as long as they do a gig at the Academy Horse On 10 Sep 2002 at 16:53, stephe lindas wrote: > Why not just make it a world tour? Then everyone can see them. Cheers STEPHE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horse" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Brixton Academy would be brilliant - best venue in the country! > > Friday or Saturday, don't mind either way. > > > > BUT SOOOOOOONNNNN! > > > > Horse > > > > On 10 Sep 2002 at 17:55, Iain Ferguson wrote: > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > Can we have an Autumn tour please. It doesn't have to be big , just a > > > couple of dates, Friday / Saturday nights would be cool. Somewhere south > > > west would be most cool > > > > > > Missed the outdoor gigs during the summer, really sad about missing the > > > camp. I was 30 miles away :-( stuck...... > > > > > > Please can we have a Haloween gig, like bristol a few years ago, what a > > > night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Sep 10 20:49:17 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:49:17 +0000 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Hi ya, Sorry if there are multiple copies of this someone made my mailer go insane for a bit. You think Zones is bad? I think its most excellent - one of best albums ever by anyone. IHMO there is one Hawkwind album that stands head and shoulders below every other Hawkwind album. No I don't mean Text of Festival which is almost my favorite Hawkwind album, or even the mess that is Yuri Gagarin which has some most excellent moments. I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might have been in... Its embarassing. But thats just my opinion. Chris Alisa wrote: > > Sounds like Zones, you say? The worst HW release? > > no, I won't ever buy this album and anything from OZIT and this damned > company led by Nik. If it sounds like Zones... > > A bunch of jams you say? Like the last bootleg one? And D-Rider? > Nik can't sing, can't play sax, he ruined his best song. > > You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live > recording ever. > > Alisa From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 10 19:59:09 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:59:09 +0100 Subject: BOC/BRAIN/OFF: The MC5 frame by frame! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020910172803.00696584@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: I wonder if there'll be any footage of the British gigs. I went to see them a few times when they were over - a couple that spring to mind are Seymour Hall in London with the Fairies and Third Ear band (and a bunch of porno movies involving fruit if I remember correctly - very strange!) and the 1972 Windsor festival with Hawkwind, Fairies, Arthur Brown etc. and some others that I was too tripped out to remember. Those were the days! Horse On 10 Sep 2002 at 17:28, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > from the waynekramer.com message board: > > The long awaited film, MC5:A True Testimonial will be shown at the Toronto > Film Festival on Wens 9/11 and Fri 9/13.Also I hear there will be a Detroit > premiere in late October.In related news, a Scott Morgan's Powertrane > w/Deniz Tek and Robert Gillespie gig at the Blind Pig 11/1,if I recall > correctly.The I94-Bar is a good source for Detroit/Aussie/NY rock > news.www.i94bar.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Sep 10 20:06:35 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:06:35 -0400 Subject: HW Zones In-Reply-To: <3D7E930D.C1BCC188@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: I love this list! About twice year the Zones is a terrible album discussion resurfaces. When it first was happening a few years ago, I was in shock and horror that people would think that. I love the songs Dangerous Vision and Runnin' Thru the Back Brain very much. Now I just chuckle to myself and am grateful for the reminder to play it soon. Chris R. NP: Rory Gallagher - 1974 Japan Tour -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:49 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: NIK: new album Hi ya, Sorry if there are multiple copies of this someone made my mailer go insane for a bit. You think Zones is bad? I think its most excellent - one of best albums ever by anyone. IHMO there is one Hawkwind album that stands head and shoulders below every other Hawkwind album. No I don't mean Text of Festival which is almost my favorite Hawkwind album, or even the mess that is Yuri Gagarin which has some most excellent moments. I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might have been in... Its embarassing. But thats just my opinion. Chris Alisa wrote: > > Sounds like Zones, you say? The worst HW release? > > no, I won't ever buy this album and anything from OZIT and this damned > company led by Nik. If it sounds like Zones... > > A bunch of jams you say? Like the last bootleg one? And D-Rider? > Nik can't sing, can't play sax, he ruined his best song. > > You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live > recording ever. > > Alisa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 11 04:24:46 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:24:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Autumn tour please !!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: The tour will happen:). Gigs are being booked. Also, look out for a spectacular event in London this winter, Colin On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100, Iain Ferguson wrote: >Dave, > >Can we have an Autumn tour please. It doesn't have to be big , just a >couple of dates, Friday / Saturday nights would be cool. Somewhere south >west would be most cool > >Missed the outdoor gigs during the summer, really sad about missing the >camp. I was 30 miles away :-( stuck...... > >Please can we have a Haloween gig, like bristol a few years ago, what a >night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 11 04:27:17 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:27:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Xmas Message-ID: The legal proceedings have delayed things but the album is progressing and the tour will be happening. Also watch out for a very special event in London this winter. Colin On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:15:11 +0100, Dave Bottomley wrote: >>However, on a more positive note, Hawk records will >>be issuing a double cd recorded live at Canterbury >>2001, featuring Arthur Brown before Christmas, and there >>will be a London Xmas party gig in mid-december. > >Great - I look forward to both. But what of the new album and tour? It's now >past the proposed "late summer" - did I miss them? ;@) > >Dave From coral at APORT.RU Wed Sep 11 07:35:43 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:35:43 +0400 Subject: HW Zones Message-ID: > I love this list! About twice year the Zones is a terrible album discussion > resurfaces. When it first was happening a few years ago, I was in shock and > horror that people would think that. I love the songs Dangerous Vision and > Runnin' Thru the Back Brain very much. > Now I just chuckle to myself and am grateful for the reminder to play it > soon. I didn't say that it's bad in songwriting :). I was talking about the mix and sound. I love these songs too. cheers, Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Wed Sep 11 07:39:05 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:39:05 +0400 Subject: HW: Xmas Message-ID: > The legal proceedings have delayed things but the album is progressing and > the tour will be happening. Also watch out for a very special event in > London this winter. Better to know the date before :). I'll try to get there this time. Alisa From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 08:47:45 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:47:45 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might have been in... Its embarassing. But thats just my opinion. -------------------- I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. From coral at APORT.RU Wed Sep 11 11:39:06 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:39:06 +0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: I like it. I like some metal bands and I think Hawkwind were very good at this space heavy metal at that stage. When I'm in my "metal" mood I like to listen to it. That is one of the best things in HW - its diversity from album to album. You can find so much for all kinds of mood. Alisa > I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an > average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. > If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even > quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't > fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might > have been in... Its embarassing. > > But thats just my opinion. > -------------------- > > I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 11:47:12 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:47:12 +0100 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: I Love Sonic Attack.......the tour was brilliant, the projections were awesome..... just about the whole album is brilliant apart from the title track... never a favourite... I even interviewd the band on Radio bristol b4 the show, amazing how nieve the questions are for a 16 year old Got a recording somewhere, I'll try and dig it out.... I think they went all metal with the choose your masks LP, heavily gated drums and such... but then i've commented on that LP before... Regards Iain coral at APORT.RU wrote: >I like it. I like some metal bands and I think Hawkwind were very good at >this space heavy metal at that stage. When I'm in my "metal" mood I like to >listen to it. > >That is one of the best things in HW - its diversity from album to album. >You can find so much for all kinds of mood. > >Alisa > > > > >>I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an >>average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. >>If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even >>quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't >>fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might >>have been in... Its embarassing. >> >>But thats just my opinion. >>-------------------- >> >>I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all >> >> >the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 11:51:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:51:35 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Thats why there is always a Hawkwind cd in the stereo - something for every occassion and every mood :) All i need now is a BIG gutsy stereo with HUUUUGE speakers to make the neighbors run and hide and I'll be set lol In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:38:40 AEDT, Alisa writes: > I like it. I like some metal bands and I think Hawkwind were very good at > this space heavy metal at that stage. When I'm in my "metal" mood I like to > listen to it. > > That is one of the best things in HW - its diversity from album to album. > You can find so much for all kinds of mood. > > Alisa > > > > I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an > > average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. > > If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even > > quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't > > fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might > > have been in... Its embarassing. > > > > But thats just my opinion. > > -------------------- > > > > I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all > the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 12:12:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:12:56 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: hmmmmmmmm so you saw that tour...... you were there..... well...... how can I put this delicatly..... I'm so farking green with envy you lucky lucky bastaaaard!! LoL ;-) Actually Im sickinly green with envy at just about everyone on this list cause you've all been at various shows at different points in time that I will never ever get to see.... that is if I ever get this damn time machine to work...... the drink holder on the dashboard works fine now though - holds two drinks it does lol In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:50:23 AEDT, Iain Ferguson writes: > I Love Sonic Attack.......the tour was brilliant, the projections were > awesome..... > just about the whole album is brilliant apart from the title track... > never a favourite... > > I even interviewd the band on Radio bristol b4 the show, amazing how > nieve the questions are for a 16 year old > Got a recording somewhere, I'll try and dig it out.... > > I think they went all metal with the choose your masks LP, heavily gated > drums and such... but then i've commented on that LP before... > > Regards > > Iain > coral at APORT.RU wrote: > > >I like it. I like some metal bands and I think Hawkwind were very good at > >this space heavy metal at that stage. When I'm in my "metal" mood I like to > >listen to it. > > > >That is one of the best things in HW - its diversity from album to album. > >You can find so much for all kinds of mood. > > > >Alisa > > > > > > > > > >>I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an > >>average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. > >>If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even > >>quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't > >>fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might > >>have been in... Its embarassing. > >> > >>But thats just my opinion. > >>-------------------- > >> > >>I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all > >> > >> > >the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. > > > > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 11 13:24:11 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:24:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Xmas In-Reply-To: <03a201c25987$e11a4f10$69fd2ed4@ghostwheel3>; from coral@APORT.RU on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 03:39:05PM +0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 03:39:05PM +0400, Alisa wrote: > Better to know the date before :). > > I'll try to get there this time. Best of luck! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Sep 11 13:44:44 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:44:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear delete if offended.. swear words afoot.... In-Reply-To: <200209101703.SAA01444@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: --- M Holmes wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions? The first thing > that comes to my mind > is that we produce and distribute amongst ourselves > some stickers. These > should be arranged to state the truth (meaning we > have to find it out). > Let's say that they say "Not official Hawkwind > release. Avid fans say > these are not the best quality sound and advise a > different purchase" These might have the same effect as the Parental Advisory thing ie make the CD more interesting for some. How about setting up a website called www.dontbuythisshit.com or something, and just sticker that over the price label. The unwitting potential purchaser wouldn't have to buy it to remember the URL, and you could then be leading them to a simple web page with a full explanation of why this stuff should be left in the racks. Trouble is, if the security ape in the megastore caught you doing it... Stupid idea. I'll get me coat. Best thing we can do is just not buy it. How many people on this list will quietly pick up a copy just to maintain their "complete" collections? Shame on you. I haven't touched this stuff since the mid-eighties, didn't buy Ridicule, didn't buy In The Beiginning etc etc. NAME DROP ALERT - Brock once told me "I wish HW fans wouldn't buy the bloody things coz then there'd be no market for them". that's my two penneth then AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Sep 11 13:54:58 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:54:58 +0100 Subject: NIK: new album In-Reply-To: <3D7F6580.4060900@aol.com> Message-ID: --- Iain Ferguson wrote: > I Love Sonic Attack.......the tour was brilliant, > the projections were > awesome..... My first HW gig - Sun 25th Oct 1981, Southampton, Sonic Attack tour. Couldn't believe what I was seeing & hearing, just so damned good! When they played Magnu I was so happy i could have had an accident right there n then. >just about the whole album is brilliant apart from the title track... never a favourite... > Don't think Moorcock was too happy about it either - i read somewhere that he wanted to finally do his version of it, and it was recorded, but then Brock put Harvey's version on the LP instead. Still, my personal best of HW CDR-in-the-car has Lost Chances on it & Transdimensional Man. Masterpieces all. > I even interviewd the band on Radio bristol b4 the > show, amazing how > nieve the questions are for a 16 year old > Got a recording somewhere, I'll try and dig it > out.... When I did my naive teenage interview with Brock @ Guildford 1st night on the Black Sword tour I asked him about drugs... "they are illegal you know" he said in his best clipped 1950s radio announcer voice. Still, nice to know I'm not the only Bristol resident on this list. AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Sep 11 15:58:11 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:58:11 +0000 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Hi ya, Must have seen the Sonic Attack tour at Hammersmith Oxford(i think) and some place else, great tour... Don't get me wrong its just that compared to anything they did before (and after) the album worn't up to it. Levitation sounds better '79 sounds better and suff before that is better yet. I just expect too much from the Hawks is all:-) Maybe its a some other drug than hash album????? An alchohol album??? Thats what it is its an alchohol album and heres me expecting hash, hmmmmmmmmm. Chris Alan Linsley wrote: > > --- Iain Ferguson wrote: > I > Love Sonic Attack.......the tour was brilliant, > > the projections were > > awesome..... > > My first HW gig - Sun 25th Oct 1981, Southampton, > Sonic Attack tour. Couldn't believe what I was seeing > & hearing, just so damned good! When they played > Magnu I was so happy i could have had an accident > right there n then. > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Sep 11 15:58:44 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:58:44 +0000 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Hi ya, > I think they went all metal with the choose your masks LP, heavily gated > drums and such... but then i've commented on that LP before... Now that IS one of my favorites... Still remember first time I played it. Did the ritual of getting complettly smashed on some red seal (or was it gold seal?) before playing it (and during:-) and I really freaked at the end of side one;-) No thats not metal... Nothing like Judas Priest at all..... Chris From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Sep 11 18:14:01 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:14:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think Living on a Knife Edge is a completely great HW song. I would die happy if this was played live someday. I love this album too. My least favorite HW album was always IITBOTFTBD. I have not listened to it for many years, I should check it out. Chris R. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael W Blackman Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:48 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: NIK: new album I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might have been in... Its embarassing. But thats just my opinion. -------------------- I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all the Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 11 18:28:31 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Calvert & Stuff Message-ID: Via Voiceprint ......more Calvert on the way.... watch out for Hype with bonus tracks and Test Tube Concieved, plus a few others.... From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Sep 11 19:48:07 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:48:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: Hi ya, What album is that???? Or is the point that since there is no album called Iitbotftbd there is no least favorite album, a sentiment I can very nearly agree with. Chris Chris Raymond wrote: > > I think Living on a Knife Edge is a completely great HW song. I would die > happy if this was played live someday. I love this album too. My least > favorite HW album was always IITBOTFTBD. > I have not listened to it for many years, I should check it out. to me very much. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Sep 11 19:57:00 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:57:00 +0000 Subject: Obscure question bugging me badly Message-ID: Yo, There is a bass rifflet that is bugging me. Where the hell does it come from originally? If you got the Night Of the Hawks DVD then when you start the dvd there is a bass rifflet playing during the menu, I always assumed it was Hawkwinds. Now I think it cant be because the same rifflet is played for about two bars on "Dazed And Confused Concludes" from Led Zepplin's film Song Remains The Same. Now near that Jimmy plays a bit of Hendrix (purple Haze from memory for a few bars) so I'm thinking Jimmy is throwing in something from someone else. Who is the someone else? Where does this come from? Chris From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 11 19:09:21 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:09:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:48:07 +0000, Chris wrote: >What album is that???? Or is the point that since there is no album >called Iitbotftbd there is no least favorite album, a sentiment I can >very nearly agree with. It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous (one of my least faves, too, up there with 'Xenon Codex' and the three RCA/Actives) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 11 19:12:30 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:12:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <3D7FD637.5EF17AA3@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: In article <3D7FD637.5EF17AA3 at hawklord.uklinux.net>, Chris writes >Hi ya, > >What album is that???? Or is the point that since there is no album >called Iitbotftbd there is no least favorite album, a sentiment I can >very nearly agree with. > >Chris IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with 'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. >Chris Raymond wrote: >> >> I think Living on a Knife Edge is a completely great HW song. I would die >> happy if this was played live someday. It was, in 88/89, but only by Hawkdogs/Agents of Chaos. >I love this album too. My least >> favorite HW album was always IITBOTFTBD. >> I have not listened to it for many years, I should check it out. >to me very much. -- David Blair From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 11 18:52:36 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:52:36 -0300 Subject: HW: Off/ SLOTERDIJK: Live Thunderbirds & more now online! Message-ID: A live version of the Sloterdijk cut, 'The Thunderbirds' is now online at: www.mp3.com/sloterdijk This tune was recorded at 'The Khyber' in Philadelphia, opening for Harvey Bainbridge on 'The Traveling Outerspace Spectacular tour; August, 6, 2000. We continued on to The Knitting Factory in NYC the following night. There is also a version of Golden Void which we performed at The 30th annual Bike Day Celebration, 9/30/2000. This is accessible via www.t-rash.com You have to register to hear it, and the text is all in dutch, however it's very easy to do, and you won't get any junk mail from them. This event was sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, PA. This was the last show of the summer tour, and our last gig with Rob Eckstedt. Peace, Mike Also a live cut from the Hawkfestival at either of the following two URLs: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/The_OEBs From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 11 18:57:02 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:57:02 -0300 Subject: Fw: Off/ SLOTERDIJK: Live Thunderbirds & more now online! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:52 PM To: Hawkwind at Yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: HW: Off/ SLOTERDIJK: Live Thunderbirds & more now online! A live version of the Sloterdijk cut, 'The Thunderbirds' is now online at: www.mp3.com/sloterdijk This tune was recorded at 'The Khyber' in Philadelphia, opening for Harvey Bainbridge on 'The Traveling Outerspace Spectacular tour; August, 6, 2000. We continued on to The Knitting Factory in NYC the following night. There is also a version of Golden Void which we performed at The 30th annual Bike Day Celebration, 9/30/2000. This is accessible via www.t-rash.com You have to register to hear it, and the text is all in dutch, however it's very easy to do, and you won't get any junk mail from them. This event was sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, PA. This was the last show of the summer tour, and our last gig with Rob Eckstedt. Peace, Mike Also a live cut from the Hawkfestival at either of the following two URLs: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/The_OEBs From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 22:55:07 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:55:07 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:00:43 AEDT, Chris writes: > No thats not metal... Nothing like Judas Priest at all..... > > Chris Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the theory to test either) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 22:57:03 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:57:03 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:14:28 AEDT, Chris Raymond writes: > I think Living on a Knife Edge is a completely great HW song. I would die > happy if this was played live someday. I love this album too. My least > favorite HW album was always IITBOTFTBD. > I have not listened to it for many years, I should check it out. You should do so good sir Knight. Tis amongst my favorites. Space is their Palestine, I cant get enough of. But the neighbors probably do. Plenty of good trippy sounds on that one. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:01:05 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:01:05 EDT Subject: HW: Calvert & Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:11 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > Via Voiceprint ......more Calvert on the way.... watch out for Hype with > bonus tracks and Test Tube Concieved, plus a few others.... Very vary interestink, ja mein hErr..... Vee need to upsize our Calvert kollecshuns, ja mein herr Just got The Starfighters cd in yesterday. Wheee heee. Tho I had heard it before It izzzzz now amongst my kollekshun Thanks for the tip - will be watching the voiceprint promo flyers like a Hawk....... From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:03:57 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:57 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: Oh dear - brain strain..... isn't it - errrrrmmmmmmm..... the same album with Rocky paths aint it? Sonic Attack - arrrgh the brain cells itch In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:49:57 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi ya, > > What album is that???? Or is the point that since there is no album > called Iitbotftbd there is no least favorite album, a sentiment I can > very nearly agree with. > > Chris > > Chris Raymond wrote: > > > > I think Living on a Knife Edge is a completely great HW song. I would die > > happy if this was played live someday. I love this album too. My least > > favorite HW album was always IITBOTFTBD. > > I have not listened to it for many years, I should check it out. > to me very much. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:12:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:12:04 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with 'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. --------------------------- Ah well, cant please everyone every time. So do your thing and have fun doing it. and fuck the rest. Personally I would love to have a night of that album live tripping on some good clean acid. yes indeed! Creativity is the food for the soul - what does your taste like? From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:41:59 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:41:59 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/02 5:49:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > I refer to Sonic Attack which at best can only be described as an > average heavy metal album, if I play it expecting Hawkwind I hate it. > If I play it expecting an average heavy metal band then its OK even > quite good in places but by Hawkwind standards its crap. It just don't > fit in with anything they ever did in whatever state of mind they might > have been in... Its embarassing. > > But thats just my opinion. > -------------------- > > I quite like that album. Sonic Attack. The variety available with all the > Hawkwind albums appeals to me very much. I agree w/Michael--SA may even my favorite '80s HW album (for now anyway). To pass it off as average "heavy metal" eludes me... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:47:54 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:47:54 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/02 8:50:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, IainFerguson at AOL.COM writes: > I think they went all metal with the choose your masks LP, heavily gated > drums and such... but then i've commented on that LP before... > True, regarding the drum sound, but even then--what so called "metal band" would have done anything remotely like the title-track, "Dream Worker" and esp. "Void City"? Then again, "Solitary Mind Games" and "Waiting for Tomorrow" are an insult to metal...I like metal. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Sep 11 23:56:10 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:56:10 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/02 9:14:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > Actually Im sickinly green with envy at just about everyone on this list > cause you've all been at various shows at different points in time that I > will never ever get to see.... that is if I ever get this damn time machine > to work...... the drink holder on the dashboard works fine now though - holds > two drinks it does lol > Well, "I'm So Green" 'cause I've never seen the Hawks period. But then I didn't get aboard 'till '94...though I recall they _may_ have done some US dates in '95, I don't know if I was looking out for them at the time-- I was too obsessed w/hunting down the back-catalogue at the time. Also, to bring it back to the subject-title (well, maybe a bit irreverently due to the current anti-Nik vibes), I wish I'd been looking out for Nik gigs during '94 and '95...and as much as I like Love in Space, I'm more fond of Space Ritual '94 and Past or Future. POLL: How many other people on the list have never seen Hawkwind (Brock version)? The only ex-Hawks I've seen are Nik in March 2000 (Spaceland in L.A., w/Farflung) and Harvey at SD2K. Chuck From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 12 00:31:42 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:31:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert & Stuff Message-ID: Are these bonus tracks ones that have not been heard yet, or previously released material? Hmmmmmm....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Calvert & Stuff > In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:11 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > > > Via Voiceprint ......more Calvert on the way.... watch out for Hype with > > bonus tracks and Test Tube Concieved, plus a few others.... > > Very vary interestink, ja mein hErr..... > Vee need to upsize our Calvert kollecshuns, ja mein herr > > Just got The Starfighters cd in yesterday. Wheee heee. > Tho I had heard it before It izzzzz now amongst my kollekshun > > Thanks for the tip - will be watching the voiceprint promo flyers like a Hawk....... > From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Sep 12 00:48:39 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:48:39 -0400 Subject: Obscure question bugging me badly Message-ID: It is Hawkwind. It's the Iron Dream riff, or more precisely, an excerpt from "The Martian Disco Stomp" which features on the DVD. This is assuming that my DVD is the same as yours.... A similar question: one track on the 1992 Faith No More album "Angel Dust" has a three-note bass riff (A - G - E or similar, repeated over and over) which reminds me of something or other HW have done, but I can't think what. I don't have the Faith No More album here in a playable format so I can't be more specific about which track it is, but it might be the 1st track on the album. Anyone know this riff and where it might appear in the Hawks' oeuvre? Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:57:00 +0000, Chris wrote: >Yo, > >There is a bass rifflet that is bugging me. Where the hell does it come >from originally? > >If you got the Night Of the Hawks DVD then when you start the dvd there >is a bass rifflet playing during the menu, I always assumed it was >Hawkwinds. Now I think it cant be because the same rifflet is played >for about two bars on "Dazed And Confused Concludes" from Led Zepplin's >film Song Remains The Same. Now near that Jimmy plays a bit of Hendrix >(purple Haze from memory for a few bars) so I'm thinking Jimmy is >throwing in something from someone else. > >Who is the someone else? Where does this come from? > >Chris From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Sep 12 02:11:54 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:11:54 +0800 Subject: Obscure question bugging me badly Message-ID: I think The Iron Dream was also a reworking of an old classical piece. Another rock version of the same tune turned up in an episode of a Japanese SF puppet show called Star Fleet. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Obscure question bugging me badly > It is Hawkwind. It's the Iron Dream riff, or more precisely, an excerpt > from "The Martian Disco Stomp" which features on the DVD. This is assuming > that my DVD is the same as yours.... > > A similar question: one track on the 1992 Faith No More album "Angel Dust" > has a three-note bass riff (A - G - E or similar, repeated over and over) > which reminds me of something or other HW have done, but I can't think > what. I don't have the Faith No More album here in a playable format so I > can't be more specific about which track it is, but it might be the 1st > track on the album. Anyone know this riff and where it might appear in the > Hawks' oeuvre? > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:57:00 +0000, Chris > wrote: > > >Yo, > > > >There is a bass rifflet that is bugging me. Where the hell does it come > >from originally? > > > >If you got the Night Of the Hawks DVD then when you start the dvd there > >is a bass rifflet playing during the menu, I always assumed it was > >Hawkwinds. Now I think it cant be because the same rifflet is played > >for about two bars on "Dazed And Confused Concludes" from Led Zepplin's > >film Song Remains The Same. Now near that Jimmy plays a bit of Hendrix > >(purple Haze from memory for a few bars) so I'm thinking Jimmy is > >throwing in something from someone else. > > > >Who is the someone else? Where does this come from? > > > >Chris > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Thu Sep 12 02:59:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:59:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set Message-ID: This Space Ritual:2 two-CD set - can anyone confirm the complete track listing, please? BTW, status on the Huw DVD is that Marion is looking at the disc now and deciding what she wants done with it. Cheers ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From R.A.Williams at OPEN.AC.UK Thu Sep 12 03:35:08 2002 From: R.A.Williams at OPEN.AC.UK (Richard Williams) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:35:08 +0100 Subject: HW: I am a fool... Message-ID: I am a fool. I went to the Hawkfest and wanted to tell the world afterwards. However, I sat on my arse and failed to put fingertip to keyboard. So I suppose it's too late to say that it was one of the best festivals I've been to (only beaten closely by my first Glastonbury in '89)? I suppose it's too late to thank oh so very much for those who made it happen? I mean, it was perfect wasn't it? The location. The atmosphere. The moon rising over the side of the stage in a crisp summers nightsky, with exquisite music blasting away.....beautiful!! I can't help but think that it was a totally unique experience. When it happens again next year (down on knees), and the thousands turn up...it just wont be the same...but equally unique I'm sure!! I'm just happy that I was there. There. I needed that. Thank you for listening! Richard. From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Sep 12 04:56:01 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:56:01 +0100 Subject: Obscure question bugging me badly Message-ID: William wrote: >I think The Iron Dream was also a reworking of an old classical piece. Taken from the marvellous Hawkwind song reference document put together by several people on this list (past & present) a few years ago: "The Iron Dream - book by Norman Spinrad, supposedly written by an Adolf Hitler from an alternate universe in which he emigrated to the USA and became a pulp writer. It's in fact a reworking of the first few bars of the Mars Overture from Holst's Planets Suite, which is appropriate as it was usually played live at the end of Uncle Sam's on Mars." Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 12 06:47:11 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:47:11 +0100 Subject: Obscure question bugging me badly In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:11:54 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > I think The Iron Dream was also a reworking of an old classical piece. Wasn't it just very loosely based on "Mars" from Holst's "The Planets"? FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 12 07:25:30 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:25:30 EDT Subject: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:59:21 AEDT, Steve Litchfield writes: > BTW, status on the Huw DVD is that Marion is looking at the disc now and > deciding what she wants done with it. > > Cheers Whats this? A Huw Lloyd Langton dvd?? Tell me more - tell me more???? (whatever you know, please :) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 12 08:31:27 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:31:27 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album In-Reply-To: <42.2d3843af.2ab16a5a@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > POLL: How many other people on the list have never seen Hawkwind (Brock > version)? The only ex-Hawks I've seen are Nik in March 2000 (Spaceland in > L.A., w/Farflung) and Harvey at SD2K. Closest I came to seeing them was in St. Catherines, Ontario in '95. I've been a fan since I discovered them through this list (which I had joined for BOC) in '93 or '94. Brian From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Sep 12 09:24:29 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:24:29 -0300 Subject: HW: Mick Farren to appear on forthcoming OEBs disc Message-ID: Hello friends, Mick Farren of The Deviants etc, has accepted my invitation to participate in the recording of the forthcoming One Eyed Bishops disc, set to begin in January. Mick has also granted me permission to cover 'Charlie' should I choose to do so, so you may hear an OEB reworking of that classic Deviants tune. As he stated to me: "I'd be happy to chip in on any psychedelic skiffle project". There will be other guest players on the cd, and as time goes by I'll be telling you who they are. Don Craine & Keith Grant of The Downliners Sect are in as well. Peace, Mike From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Sep 12 09:28:05 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:28:05 -0300 Subject: Fw: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: Mick Farren to appear on forthcoming OEBs disc Message-ID: Sorry, I got a a message saying this posting had not gone through. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:25 AM To: BCRich78 at comcast.net Subject: Fw: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: Mick Farren to appear on forthcoming OEBs disc ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:24 AM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; BOC-l at listserv.spc.edu; SLOTERDIJK-Pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: Mick Farren to appear on forthcoming OEBs disc Hello friends, Mick Farren of The Deviants etc, has accepted my invitation to participate in the recording of the forthcoming One Eyed Bishops disc, set to begin in January. Mick has also granted me permission to cover 'Charlie' should I choose to do so, so you may hear an OEB reworking of that classic Deviants tune. As he stated to me: "I'd be happy to chip in on any psychedelic skiffle project". There will be other guest players on the cd, and as time goes by I'll be telling you who they are. Don Craine & Keith Grant of The Downliners Sect are in as well. Peace, Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Sep 12 11:50:00 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:50:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: OI !!!, Leave ITBOTFTBD is a bloody great album... listen again with it loud and on the headphones.... You just dont like the fact that its a far more dancey album. YOu must be old and with no taste Rocky Paths Rules, and Living on a knife end, AND dont forget Angels of Death...... ( now the projections for that were great If I remember right ) Iain Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: >IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. >Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with >'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. >--------------------------- > >Ah well, cant please everyone every time. So do your thing and have fun doing it. and fuck the rest. >Personally I would love to have a night of that album live tripping on some good clean acid. >yes indeed! >Creativity is the food for the soul - what does your taste like? > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 12 12:09:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:09:25 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:52:10 AEDT, Iain Ferguson writes: > OI !!!, > > Leave ITBOTFTBD is a bloody great album... listen again with it loud and > on the headphones.... You just dont like the fact that its a far more > dancey album. YOu must be old and with no taste > > Rocky Paths Rules, and Living on a knife end, AND dont forget Angels of > Death...... ( now the projections for that were great If I remember > right ) I wasn't there - mumble grumble...... but I woulda been if i'd known.... damn straight - a groovy album better than groovy fanfuckintastik! From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Sep 12 12:10:10 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:10:10 -0400 Subject: Bad taste??? In-Reply-To: <3D7E8DD2.667683BE@hawklord.uklinux.net>; from chris@HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:26:58AM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:26:58AM +0000, Chris wrote: > Black September Two of them, now. So, has anyone else noticed that "Al Qaeda" has the exact same meter[*]? Plugs right in there -- well, no *worse* a fit than the original :-/ I had that modified version stuck in my head all through the last fall's HW tour, rewriting the lyric even as Ali was singing it. [*] When pronounced as it is in the UK, with the "ae" as two syllables -- that being closer to the Arabic, I suspect, than is the U.S. one-syllable pronunciation. Speaking of which, we've all read that the name translates as "The Base". There's a theory going around that bin Laden was inspired by Asimov's Foundation novels -- it's claimed that when the first one was translated into Arabic, the title they gave it was, you guessed it, "Al Qaeda". (I guess I'll have to finally read the series, to see if any of this actually makes sense.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 12 12:08:11 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:08:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <3D80B7A8.3010104@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <3D80B7A8.3010104 at aol.com>, Iain Ferguson writes >OI !!!, > >Leave ITBOTFTBD is a bloody great album... listen again with it loud and >on the headphones.... Ah, that's why it sends me to sleep - didn't have it on loud enough! >You just dont like the fact that its a far more >dancey album. Only if you dance in slow motion > YOu must be old and with no taste I don't like it as it's incredibly repetitive and uninventive - tracks that do everything they're going to do in the first minute, and then go on for another 10 minutes of pointless meandering. Music to knit by. When it came out, I thought maybe they hadn't had enough material for an album so they'd just dragged everything out to extreme lengths to pad it out. That style has led to a strange phenomenon at every HW gig I've seen where they play 'Space is Their Palestine' (And on the last tour, when they did similar wittering in Angels of Death) - a large number of the audience lose interest and start talking to each other, while the band waffle for five minutes. I think it's the worst album they've ever done, with only one saving grace - Mr Brock plays some harmonica on Gimme Shelter. He's rather good at that, wish he'd do it more often (Next tour please, on Hurry on Sundown?) (Then again, I think most of their output from the 90s sucks - the only one I play regularly is Electric Tepee) >Rocky Paths Rules, and Living on a knife end, AND dont forget Angels of >Death...... ( now the projections for that were great If I remember >right ) > >Iain > >Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: > >>IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. >>Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with >>'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. >>--------------------------- >> >>Ah well, cant please everyone every time. So do your thing and have fun doing >it. and fuck the rest. >>Personally I would love to have a night of that album live tripping on some >good clean acid. >>yes indeed! >>Creativity is the food for the soul - what does your taste like? For me, the best HW album has to be Warrior. -- David Blair From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 12 12:41:34 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:41:34 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:34:50 AEDT, David Blair writes: Electric Tepee is a beauty as well. LSD!! Thr right to decide etc etc etc food for the soul, who needs drugz with great music like that From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 12 14:34:14 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:34:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: I must be old too. I don't care for ITBOTFTBD either. Actually you must be old cuz my mum likes that one. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: Re: HW: Sonic Attack > OI !!!, > > Leave ITBOTFTBD is a bloody great album... listen again with it loud and > on the headphones.... You just dont like the fact that its a far more > dancey album. YOu must be old and with no taste > > Rocky Paths Rules, and Living on a knife end, AND dont forget Angels of > Death...... ( now the projections for that were great If I remember > right ) > > Iain > > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: > > >IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. > >Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with > >'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. > >--------------------------- > > > >Ah well, cant please everyone every time. So do your thing and have fun doing it. and fuck the rest. > >Personally I would love to have a night of that album live tripping on some good clean acid. > >yes indeed! > >Creativity is the food for the soul - what does your taste like? > > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 12 16:34:01 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:34:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set Message-ID: I shot a video of Huw when he played at the Standard back in March; I also did a DAT audio from the desk. Steve married them together and put them onto DVD along with other Huw-related bits. The Lloyd Langtons are now deciding what they want to do with it all. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set > In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:59:21 AEDT, Steve Litchfield writes: > > > BTW, status on the Huw DVD is that Marion is looking at the disc now and > > deciding what she wants done with it. > > > > Cheers > > Whats this? A Huw Lloyd Langton dvd?? Tell me more - tell me more???? > (whatever you know, please :) > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Sep 12 17:58:34 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:58:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: This is quite possibly inaccurate as it is based on my memory of more than 20 years ago but here goes anyway... An interesting aside to the Sonic Attack album was that it got Hawkwind featured in a very short lived UK magazine called FLEXIPOP (so called as it featured a cover mounted flexi-disk - Calvert would have liked that idea). The particular feature saw members of two bands reviewing each others albums. Interestingly, HW were coupled with Bow Wow Wow who had a couple of hit singles around about that time. I think that the real reason was that both groups had new albums released on RCA at the time - a neat marketing trick by the record company. The reviews were quite funny as Mr Brock quite politely gave Bow Wow Wow's effort a less than favourable comparison to the Pink Fairies. Mr Bow Wow Wow rep was equally polite about Sonic Attack saying that he liked the drumming but the music wasn't really his style. Anyway, not long after that issue flexipop disappeared (in smoke?!). Mark From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Sep 12 21:29:25 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:29:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: Djam Karet In-Reply-To: <001601c2599c$44076220$0e340050@Steve> Message-ID: Gahhhh! What a fantastic couple of compilations are Djam Karet's "A Beginner's Guide, Volume I" and "...II." I've been into this band for a bunch of years, and these are definitely great intros, with definitive tracks from the 'regular' albums as well as their contributions to various V/A CDs/LPs. And you can't beat the prices... For sound samples click on the (ready for this?) 'sounds' link at http://www.djamkaret.com/ or http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/249/djam_karet.html KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Sep 13 05:07:37 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:07:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Djam Karet Message-ID: >Gahhhh! What a fantastic couple of compilations are Djam Karet's "A Beginner's >Guide, Volume I" and "...II." I'll heartily second Kevin's recommendation to check out Djam Karet. They are excellent. There are two sides to the band, one a heavy rock spacey style of prog rock, but they also do these killer drifting space ambient excursions. I got to see them live a couple weeks ago at the ProgDay festival and they were great, though they focused more on the rockin stuff. I'd like to get them into a hall with solid acoustics so they can rock out and do the more exploratory ambient stuff. Jerry From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Sep 13 05:48:47 2002 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:48:47 -0400 Subject: HW - Hawkestra recordings.... Message-ID: Greetings earthlings, i have returned! So 'que pasa'? I took a years sabbatical to do some sailing/travelling (which was nice!), spent alot of time prior to leaving preparing to leave so never got round to securing myself a copy of the Hawkestra evening in it's totality. (and so my mail box wasn't 8 miles long when I got back, unsubscribed from boc- l.) I heard (at the Hawkfest)that Nik has snaffled (safe description?) the official recordings and as such they are not due for release. I think personally that it is despicable that the fans (me) should suffer due to any legal wrangling... i mean why doesn't 'someone' release the recording & argue about who gets the profits later... ..So a girl has to go to desperate measures and sell her soul on listserv in the hope that someone might be able to stump up a copy of the night (bootleg?). I enjoyed that night so much I still smile about it 2 years on! I have been offered some of 'reasonable' quality (Scott H's) but would obviously be interested if someone else is harbouring a really decent recording of the whole night (a copy of the official recording would be extra special but now I am pushing it!!??). Can't remember if I posted after Hawkfest but just wanted to say that I really enjoyed it, musically it was never going to hit the heady heights of Hawkestra/Brixton xmas 2000 but I guess that wasn't what the event was really about - the best part was meeting the folk ( a few from the list, the guys from Strange Trips (like groovy man!!)).. an opportunity to 'mingle' with the band members and finally coming face to face with my doppelganger (she drinks alot and gets me a bad reputation, but that's another story..) "head babies rubber" Maxine From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Fri Sep 13 06:11:45 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:11:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Message-ID: David, How rude Must admit, to disliking the Gimmie shelter tune, its the one that doesnt fit on the album. I was so pleased that the band finally made what I consider to be great album after a bunch that I personally didn't get on with. It was with great relief that the repetitious nauture of hawkwind's sound came back on that album. With the added dimention of a more dancey feel to the tunes. Must admit I love the forays into the trance music that the band do on record and particularly live, Hassan, angels, even Lighthouse at the RFH are superb. I would infact love to see them do a whole live set like that, break out of the mould for a while. I'm really hoping that with Richard moving to sequencers, drum machines and lord knows what other rythmn equipement the band may take on a more dance feel, or at least have the ability to go and do some shows specifically orientated towards a new audience with some hardcore Gabba Techno Hawkwind stylee !!! Just imagine Creamfields, Glastonbury Dance tent , or the Big Chill with 10,000 e'd up kiddies leaping around to Trance Hawkwind in full effect!, with a light show too boot.. Ahh the dreams.... the dreams..... regards Iain >I don't like it as it's incredibly repetitive and uninventive - tracks >that do everything they're going to do in the first minute, and then go >on for another 10 minutes of pointless meandering. Music to knit by. >When it came out, I thought maybe they hadn't had enough material for an >album so they'd just dragged everything out to extreme lengths to pad it >out. > >That style has led to a strange phenomenon at every HW gig I've seen >where they play 'Space is Their Palestine' (And on the last tour, when >they did similar wittering in Angels of Death) - a large number of the >audience lose interest and start talking to each other, while the band >waffle for five minutes. > >I think it's the worst album they've ever done, with only one saving >grace - Mr Brock plays some harmonica on Gimme Shelter. He's rather good >at that, wish he'd do it more often (Next tour please, on Hurry on >Sundown?) > >(Then again, I think most of their output from the 90s sucks - the only >one I play regularly is Electric Tepee) > > > >>Rocky Paths Rules, and Living on a knife end, AND dont forget Angels of >>Death...... ( now the projections for that were great If I remember >>right ) >> >>Iain >> >>Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: >> >> >> >>>IITBOTFTBD is 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous'. >>>Personally, I've always thought the 'Dangerous' should be replaced with >>>'Tedious'. Seriously boring album. >>>--------------------------- >>> >>>Ah well, cant please everyone every time. So do your thing and have fun doing >>> >>> >>it. and fuck the rest. >> >> >>>Personally I would love to have a night of that album live tripping on some >>> >>> >>good clean acid. >> >> >>>yes indeed! >>>Creativity is the food for the soul - what does your taste like? >>> >>> > >For me, the best HW album has to be Warrior. >-- >David Blair > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 13 10:05:16 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:05:16 EDT Subject: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:35:29 AEDT, Colin J Allen writes: > I shot a video of Huw when he played at the Standard back in March; I also > did a DAT audio from the desk. Steve married them together and put them > onto DVD along with other Huw-related bits. The Lloyd Langtons are now > deciding what they want to do with it all. > > Colin Cool... I hope we get the scoop when a decision is made? Cheers Michael From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 13 10:46:47 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: This is slightly old news from http://www.blueoystercult.com , but I haven't seen it posted here yet. > A Long Day's Night" DVD / VHS track list is: > > Stairway to the Stars, Burnin' For You, O.D.'d on Life, E.T.I., Dance on > Stilts, Harvester of Eyes, Buck's Boogie, Quicklime Girl, Flaming Telepaths, > Harvest Moon, Last Days of May, Cities on Flame, ME 262, Perfect Water, Lips > in the Hills, Godzilla, (Don't Fear) The Reaper, Dominance & Submission, The > Red & The Black. > > The CD includes 12 of the above tracks, and adds "Astronomy," which is not on > the DVD. > > The DVD also includes interviews with the band and fans, footage from > backstage and soundcheck, etc. And earlier on the site: > Recorded for the possible inclusion on the DVD were: Stairway to the Stars, > Burnin' for You, OD'd on Life Itself, E.T.I., Dance on Stilts, Harvester of > Eyes, Buck's Boogie, Mistress of the Salmon Salt, Flaming Telepaths, Harvest > Moon, Last Days of May, Joan Crawford, Cities on Flame, ME 262, Perfect Water, > Lips in the Hills, Godzilla, (Don't Fear) the Reaper, Astronomy, Dominance & > Submission and The Red & the Black. So Joan Crawford was dropped from both the DVD and CD, with Astronomy being a CD-only track. At least Joan is on ETI, maybe that had something to do with it being expendable (although I'd much rather see Burnin' For You given a rest.) Of course, even though the track list is impressive and includes rarities like Quicklime Girl and Perfect Water, there are many other songs the BOC of today could have nailed for this DVD. The ones I'd love to see: The Vigil (!!!) See You In Black The Old Gods Return Heavy Metal (The Black & Silver) Black Blade Take Me Away Any more? I'm really looking forward to these releases--almost as much as I did for Heaven Forbid. The BOC of today is so different from Live '76, or even Black & Blue, that it really needed this video documentation. Or rather, I really needed it. :-) Brian OBsong> Joan Crawford on ETI From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 13 13:14:04 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:14:04 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Sep 2002, at 10:46, Brian Halligan wrote: > This is slightly old news from http://www.blueoystercult.com , but I > haven't seen it posted here yet. > > > A Long Day's Night" DVD / VHS track list is: > > SNIP > So Joan Crawford was dropped from both the DVD and CD, with Astronomy > being a CD-only track. At least Joan is on ETI, maybe that had > something to do with it being expendable (although I'd much rather see > Burnin' For You given a rest.) > Yep, give it a rest from the live setlist too... > Of course, even though the track list is impressive and includes > rarities like Quicklime Girl and Perfect Water, there are many other > songs the BOC of today could have nailed for this DVD. > And, esp., given that Flaming Telepaths is apparently DVD-only, the CD will have a gaping hole in it! > The ones I'd love to see: > > The Vigil (!!!) > See You In Black Big Time! I saw it live a couple years back, and the song was great as alive tune... > The Old Gods Return I think they did this last year at Northern Lights? A great live tune also... > Heavy Metal (The Black & Silver) > Black Blade > Take Me Away > > Any more? > Teen Archer! Only seen by me once in concert, and it's one of B?C's best. This may be the last chance we get for live versions of the old favorites. I wish they'd issued a double CD and included EVERYTHING. Would not have been a difficult project to arrange... theo From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Sep 13 11:20:14 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:20:14 -0300 Subject: HW OFF: Skiffle legend Chas McDevitt to contribute to One Eyed Bishops CD!! Message-ID: I have received confirmation that skiffle legend Chas McDevitt, will be joining the OEBs in the studio for the forthcoming album. This is absolutely wonderful news!! Cheers! Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/The_OEBs From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Sep 13 14:20:33 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:20:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth Message-ID: I didn't know about our second moon, let alone this third one. Maybe there's a song in this story: is it Planet X? Space ship or space junk? The Vogons? Sputnik Stan http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Fri Sep 13 16:20:35 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:20:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or more likely it's Saddam and the Iraqi's (a very under-rated band) - better nuke 'em anyway just to be on the safe side :^) Horse On 13 Sep 2002 at 12:20, Mark Licht wrote: > I didn't know about our second moon, let alone this third one. Maybe > there's a song in this story: is it Planet X? Space ship or space junk? The > Vogons? > > Sputnik Stan > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Fri Sep 13 16:16:17 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:16:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Blue skins probably - or the Greys!!!! On 13 Sep 2002 at 12:20, Mark Licht wrote: > I didn't know about our second moon, let alone this third one. Maybe > there's a song in this story: is it Planet X? Space ship or space junk? The > Vogons? > > Sputnik Stan > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 13 17:43:06 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:43:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set Message-ID: You will. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: Space Ritual:2 two-CD set > In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:35:29 AEDT, Colin J Allen writes: > > > I shot a video of Huw when he played at the Standard back in March; I also > > did a DAT audio from the desk. Steve married them together and put them > > onto DVD along with other Huw-related bits. The Lloyd Langtons are now > > deciding what they want to do with it all. > > > > Colin > > Cool... I hope we get the scoop when a decision is made? > Cheers > Michael > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Sep 13 18:13:16 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:13:16 +0200 Subject: HW: OFF: 10 things I think I think Message-ID: Hey Folks... Just some random commentary during this lovely quiet evening on the banks of the River Aare... 10) It's the Biz... is not a particularly good album, and although I've assimilated Doug P.'s earlier thoughts on this work (echoed here just now by someone else in simliar mention of Chadwick's man-machine rhymthic evolution over this time) and accept them as valid points, I simply don't like much of this album. The reggae-dub bit (w/ recycled lyrics, true) is something I rather liked, and Gimme Shelter is perfectly fine though misplaced. But a lot of it comes across as the dreaded "F" material (rhymes with "Killer," which it's not). And it *most certainly* has nothing to do with any stuffy middle-age anti-'dance' attitude!!, though it *is* true that I fervently dislike "quintessentially" techno music. But I *really* love pseudo-trancey-spacerock from Hungary (primarily) like Masfel's "Anglyatojas" and all the Korai Orom stuff ('1997' is quite trancey) and also Colorstar. So I just don't think Hawkwind is best suited to go any further into this realm, 'cause obviously these other bands do it so much better. IMHO. As I (echoed by Mr. Anderson, wherever he might be lurking on this list) long ago suggested, Hawkwind would be better off reclaiming their title as "Kings of the Stone(r) Age," and headline with Kyuss/QotSA opening. Chadwick is versatile enough to fulfill that drumseat certainly, and I'm sure Alan would love it. Play Bedouin tracks in the set if need be. But that's old news, so forget it. 9) "Sonic Attack" is one that I rather am attached to, because it was the first HW album that I purchased when it was truly new. "Levitation" I think had been out a few months before I dubbed a cassette copy from my brother. The artwork was (to my eyes then) absolutely stunningly cool at the time (maybe now it looks rather hokey and artificial I dunno) and I was a metalhead (still am I guess, to some extent) that thought Huw's guitar was essential to the sound of the band at that time (even though I, already by then, loved Quark and Space Ritual with merely rhythm gtr and Dave's decidedly anti-guitar hero soloing which is, to my ears now, every bit as "good" - see Palace Springs/89 tour). "Choose Your Masques" I always have a warm thought for also, 'cause I still remember the moment that my eyes met with my copy (that currently resides in Pittsburgh PA in a house with another copy, my brother's, in the same room) in a record store in State College, PA without knowing of it's imminent release whatsoever. And then also th subsequent running back to my dorm room to put it on in short order after shelling out perhaps $16 (which was a lot for an LP back then) that I probably didn't have to spend that month. I have a similar memory (though opposite in sense) of the moment I had in Chris' Warped Records in Lakewood, OH upon flipping through a copy of Kerrapp! or something and seeing a short paragraph in the "News" section mentioning Bob Calvert's death. 8) Here in central Europe, they have trees that look very much like Buckeye trees, but they're much taller and the nuts, while very similar in appearance, are not so large and round, but are lumpier and flatter. I don't think these are true Buckeye trees, but they must be in the same family. There are weird birds here too. 7) Echoing Eric S.'s sentiments on the events of five years ago, but in a greatly different way - my experiences during that time were fantastically memorable for both wonderous and tragic reasons. When Diana died, I learned of it immediately as it was being announced on BBC World Service shortwave, just like the rest of the world that was still awake - it was night in Europe and quite late even in EDT, but it was noon where I was. I was sitting at base camp, 19,000 feet above sea level looking up at the peak of Xixiabangma Feng (one of the world's 14 8km+ peaks) in the Himalaya, on the Tibetan side (internationally-famous climber Andy Lowe died in an avalanche on the Nepal side in c. 2000), and reading the book (brought along by a collegue partly for ironic reasons, which became unfortunately even more ironic in months ahead) "Into Thin Air," about the tragedy on Everest two(?) years previous. My personal thoughts about Diana were pretty much emotionless disconnection (which is just the way I am, "genetically" I guess it might be, in any such situation) with just a thought of "Hmmm...when I was in the Russian Arctic in May '94, Jackie O. died. How weird." A day or two later (?), at roughly 10 AM or so, I thought "Well, Hawkwind should be going on stage about now, and how odd that I'm not there. But, *really*....What am I talking about?!" Days later, after reaching 'our' summit location (23,000 feet, 7,000 meters) on the 'col' that marks the exact border between Tibet and Nepal (now looking down at precisely where Andy Lowe died), my good friend and tentmate Shawn suddenly had an epsiode of numbness and incoherency. Now that the trial/gag order is long over, I suppose it's not against protocol to make any such statements. So anyway, he was evacuated to lower elevations (the aforementioned base camp) where he quickly recovered his wits and health. But as a precaution, he remained for a number of days to continue acclimatization and to be monitored. During this time of inactivity, he developed what is becoming more widely understood now in the context of overseas flights as "deep vein thrombosis" in his leg, and thereby a blood clot that caused massive swelling in one leg. Soon thereafter he was evacuated (carried many miles) to the point from which he was driven to Lhasa, then eventually Hong Kong and finally Cleveland. Somewhere along the line, his leg was cured by blood thinners and antibiotics, but by then a portion of the clot had gotten loose and ended up in a lung. The trial documents are public, so I won't bother with too many more specifics, except that after a number of operations, infections, pneumonia, and relapses later, he died in Cleveland on "Black Friday," 1997, the day after Thanksgiving which is called such by those who have to work in US shopping malls. The wrongful death lawsuit that I've hinted to (defeated in short order) was established on the argument that he died of a classic case of altitude sickness that pointed to negligence in planning the field operation. Which is, as I've just outlined, not at all true given that the organism (common & usually-harmless bacteria) that destroyed his lungs probably entered his body in Hong Kong, though nobody knows for sure. Anyway, Shawn had attended the 1995 Hawkwind concert at the Agora in Cleveland with me as well as two Gong shows at the Odeon in the next years. He had been a fan of mainly hardcore/industrial/punkish music in previous years, but had grown into really becoming a true spacerock fan in those years we shared an office together in Columbus. So, as I stayed on the mountain for an additional month or so, I knew almost nothing of these events until October. I can say that living for 32 days at 23,000 feet on nothing but glacier ice below your feet is um, exhilirating. And when the late September winds started seriously howling at night through the narrow u-shaped slot in the rock that was this 'col,' it was quite phenomenal. (Oh yeah, it was as cold as -32C also.) And when I played my one 90-minute Hawkwind comp. tape with my Walkman while these winds added more 'atmospherics' to the music, it was an otherworldy experience. Esp. when A&B/GV came on (Warrior version). The feeling of extreme 'tinyness' that astronauts must feel was with me at those moments, huddled there in a sleeping bag now alone in my tent at night. Unbelievably, I don't think I'd made sure to have the song "Kadu Flyer" on that tape...silly me. Well, that's enough on that issue..... 6) Star Nation has not gotten hardly any mention here in recent months. Their album "Silver Age" is it called (?), is really quite wonderful and I can't be bothered to care much one way or the other about the half-assed live documents and such coming out when this fine original material is waiting to be heard and recognized. And I know that Steve Hayes was moving to the UK back in August, and I think Steve Taylor might have gone over there as well, so why are we not hearing about live shows and other things about them? Richard is busy on the new HW album I hope is the reason. 5) I listened to the Strange Trips Farflung (w/ ltd Nik) SD release the other night with the headphones on, and was reminded at how seriously excellent it was and how it really is a loss to have Tommy and crew not be able to continue in this vein. "Nine Pin Body" can't be missed now - you must get yourself a copy - Jerry, Andy G. you got any left? (Not for me - I brought mine with me.) 4) I think the list, while still my favorite place on the internet and I've been here more-or-less continuously since c. 1993, has reached a 'middle age' plateau where we just don't 'do' as much constructive and fun projects as in years past, like the Hawkbrawls, t-shirt projects, Codex & FAQ generation, etc. Is there nothing else, save Mike's anti-DA guerilla campaign, that we can accomplish in pursuit of worldwide unity in Hawkfandom? (My contribution soon to come...wait for it.) We talked years ago about having our own 'summer camp-type' event, which Hawkwind themselves pretty much went and did for us (though I didn't make it last time...this coming year for sure!, if.....). Is there anything else, while we sit and wait for live dates? 3) Steve Lindsey, what did you ever do with my nice colour slides that you've enjoyed all these months? :) You know, the ones that aren't actually mine? Or yours? 2) As previously mentioned, I'm going next week to an outdoor/camping fest here in rural Schweiz to see Dr. Feelgood (thanks for the background on them) and Deep Purple. The latter being (chronologically) my first (or perhaps second after Steppenwolf) favorite band beginning in c. 1972, so this will kinda be a '30th year' anniversary event of my personal rock music fandom. And hence an appropriate old bunch of geezers to celebrate it with, eh? But for the first time, I might actually be able to see a hint of the smoke on the water of Lake Geneva just 80 miles or so to the south. I dunno, I still think Ian Gillan is one of the best vocalists in rock history and I'd just as soon hear him sing without all the over the top screaming of those old days. That he's unable to do anymore anyway. (Hmmm...I saw Blackmore & Candy on TV here, doing a live music video of this renaissance silliness he's into now...quite comical, his fake hair didn't really match the leggings don'tcha know?) 1) The song "Liberty Bell" (that's the right title I think?) by The Gathering is perhaps the best song I've heard in five years (well, it's several years old now), since perhaps Porcupine Tree's "Don't Hate Me" in any case. And although the title doesn't suggest such, the lyrics (and to a certain degree the music too) are really 'space-oriented' and if you like driving psych-blanga, you can't not like this song. And The Gathering in general, to at least some degree. To be honest, I didn't really like Anneke's singing style very much at all at the outset (the quality of her voice is remarkable in any case), but over the years I've started to find her exaggerated "vocal sustain" (for lack of a better word) quite interesting and unique. Over and out... Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I should have brought more long-sleeved shirts with me. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Fri Sep 13 22:11:13 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:11:13 +0000 Subject: Off: Taste? whats that? (was bad taste, now just plain warped) Message-ID: Hi ya, {I appologise whoehartedly for distorting Bob's words so badly below I describe an alternate reality where people are a bit different to how they are here.... but not very different} Even more weird, you could sing it thusly.... Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al ki heed uh er uh Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al ki heed uh er uh Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh Mar Ben Lar den Death to all infidels by air, Guide us oh thou bearded gook Lead us slowley to our graves In the perfect chaos of your slaves Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh Mar Ben Lar den Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Oh Mar Ben Larden Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Oh mar, oh mar oh ma har Al Ki, al ki, al ki heed uh, Al ki heed uh er uh Death to all infidels by air, Guide us oh thou bearded gook Lead us slowley to our graves In the perfect chaos of In the perfect chaos of In the perfect chaos of your slaves Kinda works quite well really... You could do a choreography around it... Would work well as promo video.... "But we need a video MTV will show" Well what about setting up a charity - you know We could call it suicide aid - Yea, Yea Dave... Sponser a cyanide pill for every rag head in the Middle East "The president would go for that in a big way - saves him the trouble of bombing them - he'd _make_ MTV play us.... "Suicide Aid, Bob Geldofff, Knighthood.... This I am enjoying,,, hur huh hur..." SUICIDE AID {kant quite figure out how this one goes, the vision is far too sureal even for me to contemplate, it could well be a re-working of highrise, in fact it almost certainly is but in a very warped and twisted way} Its interesting to note that it is said that Salvador Dali would imagine an upside down owl on the heads of anyone he would meet to stop him taking them too seriously. When this stoped working he would visulise a turd on top of the owl. Any way... So you want to be a suicide bomber Yea, yea, yer Bin Larden, may I call you that? may I call you Bin? To be blown to bits, to have your mortal body anhialated? Yes, Yes Mr. Laden. To shock your friends and abandon your family Oh sir, it would be an honour to die for Allah, er I mean you of course, to experience the rush as the explosive detonates, vaporising my groin in a heat of sheer exhilaration, the force sending my head at high warp through the ceiling of the local pub, my last vision to see the cheap infidels glitter ball coming ever closer a blinding light in my head as I enter the garden of paridise. But they don't all become marters... Some are just mad you know. Oh Sir I come to you as a camel to the oasis, it would be an honour to die for such a rag head as you. Very well then... But isn't that a foreskin your wearing? But sir, only infidels have foreskins There, on the end of your- It's no use lying to you sir, it is a foreskin. Whats a myarter doing with a foreskin? Well you see sir its in memory of my mother Your mother? Yes, sir my mother, she survived her own suicide shopping basket. Suicide shopping basket? An invention of my fathers, you see sir he too was too much of a prohpet to actually kill himself, he created the worlds first shopping basket with explosive and botulism charges. My mother carried it to Debenhams in Droitwich, but when it exploded the heat fried the botulism spores and the only fragment of the basket to penetrat her also circumcised her. So you see sir I wear this foreskin in her sakred memory. I see, well in view of your confesion, which must have taken a great deal of courage, I concider you an ideal type you can strap this nuclear bomb to your torso, Oh and - Sir? Never let the infidels see your foreskin Never sir. Well not in public anyway No sir never in public. There has to be a concept album in this somewhere:-) Chris From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 13 21:41:53 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:41:53 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/7 & Reminder Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. NOTE: Uhh...I'm getting my e-mail at the station's PC again! So feel free to send me a note during the program at the following ---requests, etc. 1.Ash Ra Tempel-- "Amboss" (ST'd; Spalax) 2.Electric Company-- "Born Algebra Skinned" (Studio City; Island) 3.Vas Deferens Organization-- "Beacon from a Nostalgic Future Past" (Saturation; Aether) 4.Sternklang-- "Electrostatic Discharge Conductance Pt. 1" (1; New Sounds) 5.Salaryman-- "Craters of the National Moon/Karoshi" (Karoshi; City Slang) 6.Spiral Realms-- "Cysyrgy" (Solar Wind; Hypnotic/Cleopatra) 7.Escapade-- "When Whenever Comes" (Remembrance of Things Unknown; Mother West) 8.Liquid Sound Company-- "Let the Incense Drift" (Exploring the Psychedelic; Psych-Out/Brainticket) 9.Porcupine Tree-- "This Long Silence" (On the Sunday of Life; Delerium) 10.Ashqelon Quilt-- "Substitute" (The Event; Headline/Hi-Note) 11.Spacehead-- "Nucleii" (Inhalations: Explode into Space; Dead Earnest) 12.Faust-- title-track (So Far; Collector's Choice) 13.Horchata/Ocosi-- "Something for Nothing" (ST'd; Zero1) 14.Hawkwind-- "Horn of Destiny" (Chronicle of the Black Sword; Dojo/Griffin/Flicknife) 15.Daniel Lanois-- "Still Water" (Acadie; Warner Bro's) 16.David Schwartz-- "The Tellakutans" (Northern Exposure Series Soundtrack; MCA) thanks, Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 03:41:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:41:12 EDT Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth Message-ID: In a message dated Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:19:27 AEDT, Horse writes: > Or more likely it's Saddam and the Iraqi's (a very under-rated band) - better nuke 'em > anyway just to be on the safe side > > :^) Can't do that. The oil would be tainted. And thats the real objective. awwww what the heck, we haven't had a good war for way too long know. Time to test our latest toys. How rich do you have to be to buy a commission as a general? I've got $45.75. What will that get me? I better start working on me accent. I mean Myyyyy accent. "I say, Jolly good day for a war ehy whaaaaaat??? haa haa haa. Tally hoooooh. Send Bravo and Hotel company thru the mine fields....... little search and destroy. Oh what sport. Where ARE my field glasses Bumsworth and fetch the porter. I'm in the mood for a strawberry colada. SNAP SNAP, man!! I haven't got all day. I've got a war to run you kneeoooow!" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 03:44:30 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:44:30 EDT Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth Message-ID: The Vogons? Are they at all related to the Dogons? Tribe of African(?) peoples who were only disovered in the turn of this century who possessed star maps (simple drawings) of the Cirius star cluster, in very accurate detail, which we only discovered thru high powered telescoped many decades later? In a message dated Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:27:35 AEDT, Horse writes: > The Blue skins probably - or the Greys!!!! > > On 13 Sep 2002 at 12:20, Mark Licht wrote: > > > I didn't know about our second moon, let alone this third one. Maybe > > there's a song in this story: is it Planet X? Space ship or space junk? The > > Vogons? > > > > Sputnik Stan > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 04:01:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 04:01:27 EDT Subject: Off: Taste? whats that? (was bad taste, now just plain warped) Message-ID: Well what about setting up a charity - you know We could call it suicide aid - Yea, Yea Dave... Sponser a cyanide pill for every rag head in the Middle East "The president would go for that in a big way - saves him ------------------------- Disguise them as pro terrorist beard growth pill formula? What about all the innocent peoples who have no part or want no part in the terrorist activities? I seem to recall a fello in the 30's and 40's had a similar plan... whats is name? Is this the way to deal with people we are attacked by? Wipe them out - all of em? When they are gone do we then wipe out those that we think might want to attack us? Get in first? We will all be dead if that was the case. A famous chappie once commented from some scriptures.... an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth - but noone was listening when he then said - but if you keep going like this you will all be blind and toothless before long.... lol From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Sep 14 07:32:45 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:32:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck In-Reply-To: <3D829AC1.5E2DFCF5@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Anybody else going to the RFH tonight?? ChrisW From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Sep 14 07:42:15 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:42:15 +0100 Subject: NIK: new album In-Reply-To: <83.2088674a.2ab15c0c@aol.com> Message-ID: At 03:55 12/09/02, you wrote: >Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch >from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the theory >to test either) Ackcherly, Rob Halford prefers having his nuts crunched by big bikie BOYS from hell *G* ChrisW From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Sep 14 08:05:28 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:05:28 -0400 Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Why not just use a nutcracker:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: NIK: new album > At 03:55 12/09/02, you wrote: > >Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch > >from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the theory > >to test either) > > Ackcherly, Rob Halford prefers having his nuts crunched by big bikie BOYS > from hell *G* > ChrisW From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 11:33:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:33:00 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Just a moment.................. kkkkkkkkkkkhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! In a message dated Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:04:29 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > Why not just use a nutcracker:-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Warburton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: NIK: new album > > > > At 03:55 12/09/02, you wrote: > > >Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch > > >from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the theory > > >to test either) > > > > Ackcherly, Rob Halford prefers having his nuts crunched by big bikie BOYS > > from hell *G* > > ChrisW From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Sat Sep 14 13:42:56 2002 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:42:56 -0700 Subject: BOC: weird detective story about BOC with photos Message-ID: Just ran across a weird blue oyster cult story about one of their shows written like a detective story. Sounds like Humphrey Bogart. Even has photos. http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue20/action06.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Sep 14 13:43:44 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:43:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck Message-ID: No. Should have warned me earlier! :-) R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck > Anybody else going to the RFH tonight?? > > ChrisW > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Sep 14 15:41:39 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:41:39 +0000 Subject: Off: Taste? whats that? (was bad taste, now just plain warped) Message-ID: Hi ya, I'm actually very sympathetic to the Arab cause, but they are weird (to me anyway its a cultural thing). If you see how life is where they live.... Well if I had to live that way I'd be more than just suicidal. No I was just being a bit avant-garde... DaDa ist. You know... ultimate avante garde act is to get on a stage someplace in Paris at turn of 19th century and blow yourself up. That was thought of as artistic not terrorist.... My how the times have changed! Chris > Sponser a cyanide pill for every rag head in the Middle East > > "The president would go for that in a big way - saves him > ------------------------- > > Disguise them as pro terrorist beard growth pill formula? > What about all the innocent peoples who have no part or want no part in the terrorist activities? > I seem to recall a fello in the 30's and 40's had a similar plan... whats is name? > Is this the way to deal with people we are attacked by? Wipe them out - all of em? When they are gone do we then wipe out those that we think might want to attack us? Get in first? We will all be dead if that was the case. > A famous chappie once commented from some scriptures.... an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth - but noone was listening when he then said - but if you keep going like this you will all be blind and toothless before long.... lol From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 15:01:12 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:01:12 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/2002 8:34:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: Actually, Mike, wouldn't that be "W-S-K-J-X-F-Zed"??? (sorry, couldn't resist...) > Just a moment.................. > > kkkkkkkkkkkhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk > > EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! > > > > > In a message dated Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:04:29 AEDT, stephe lindas < > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET> writes: > > > Why not just use a nutcracker:-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Warburton" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:42 AM > > Subject: Re: NIK: new album > > > > > > > At 03:55 12/09/02, you wrote: > > > >Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch > > > >from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the > theory > > > >to test either) > > > > > > Ackcherly, Rob Halford prefers having his nuts crunched by big bikie > BOYS > > > from hell *G* > > > ChrisW > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Sep 14 16:03:59 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:03:59 EDT Subject: BOC: weird detective story about BOC with photos Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/2002 10:43:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, soltanic at YAHOO.COM writes: > Just ran across a weird blue oyster cult story > about one of their shows written like a detective > story. Sounds like Humphrey Bogart. Even has photos. > ha, ha! That's Roger Neville-Neil. He does an occasional write-up in A-I. He of course wrote some lyrics for Hawkwind and Farlung as well, lives in Portland, goes to shows there. Great "review"! I'd never checked it out until now. Love the Bogey/Chandler-isms mixed with the surreal sci-fi stuff. That first shot at the top is from "The Big Sleep". Chuck > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue20/action06.html > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 14 17:52:42 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:52:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren book review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Nick Medford wrote: > Interesting and favourable review of Mick Farren's autobiog here: > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/biography/story/0,6000,775823, > 00.html Poor sod, no-one'll let him forget Julie Burchill will they? Still, I really should buy his book, the title alone will get it lent to people who should read him :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 14 18:20:21 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:20:21 +0100 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! In-Reply-To: <200208181253.IAA06759@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Jerry Kranitz wrote: > >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > >comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. > > YES! The Calvert site was one of the best damn web sites and certainly most > informative on the internet. It's been out of commission for quite some time > now. Knut Gerwers was unable to keep it any longer at that site. Recently I > contacted him offering to host it at Aural Innovations and he has accepted, > though he wants to do some updates before it goes online again. It may be a > couple months but it'll be back. Do add my encouragement if it'll help; I've lost a good few hours to that site and was hoping to lose some more. Does this mean he got whatever academic qualification the `projekte' was designed for or not? Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Sep 14 18:39:19 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:39:19 -0400 Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: Coming soon: http://www.londonspacerockfestival.com 5 great acts, 1 amazing day! We are planning the first London Space Rock Festival. The event will happen sometime this winter (a date is being arranged at the moment) and 5 impressive acts are lined up. Hopefully, this will become an annual event. More information on date, venue, line-up and ticketing as it becomes available. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Sep 14 22:06:27 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 04:06:27 +0200 Subject: HW: HW Covers All Vol. 5-8, BRAIN: Message-ID: Hey Folks... As promised, here's my contribution to getting *real* list activities back into gear, rather than just sitting around blabbing on about useless nothings. :) So, thanks in great part to many folks here who have passed along their discoveries of bands that have covered Hawkwind tunes in recent years, I went ahead and took all those I had gathered myself and burned up four discs worth of Hawkwind covers, and then created four sets of image files based on the original Hawkwind Covers All series, invented four new titles and thereby have updated the series as much as I have been able to do by myself. To view the artwork for the four discs, point your browser to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files and then you will see the eight high-res. .jgp files there prime for clicking. (The archive is wide open, so don't think you have to join YahooGroups or anything to see them.) When we did the cassettes way back when, we printed each insert in B&W on a different color of paper. I think we should probably follow suit, though I'm not sure we can come up with four different shades of paper (commonly found in office supply stores) without repeating at least one or two. But I'm open to suggestions on this front, and if anybody has a great idea for a color (paper) scheme, I'm all ears. So, there was a bit of rationale behind my choices of tracks in certain cases...here was the protocol... I included... 1. only tracks that didn't already appear on the cassettes (duh) 2. only two tracks from the band Time Brothers, who released two CDs entirely of Hawkwind covers...short of pirating their entire albums, I simply chose my favorite track from each of their two works in order to sample their work. 3. only tracks that didn't "prominently" feature actual Hawkwind members/veterans, barring the guest sax appearance by Nik on one 5:15 song and Dave's singing on the Star One thing (I think that's it...I don't know whether Captain K on the MP3 disc is Keith Kniveton??). I considered these two to be 'covers' essentially, whereas Simon House doing old Hawkwind tunes is not, for instance. Doug Buckley (of Starfire) wrote the lyrics to "Out of the Shadows" himself, but he's covering Dave's riff so that's here too. And PT's "Out" isn't a genuine cover (of Magnu), but rather an 'allegorical' cover, and we put these on the cassettes too, so... 4. for the final ("MP3") disc, I chose just a representative sample (space-limited) of those tracks archived at the mountaingrill.co.uk site, leaving out those that weren't completed versions, and then added a couple other live covers that I'd gotten over the years...wasn't meant to be comprehensive, but thought some of the fine homestudio work should be heard by those who wouldn't have bothered to go and download them all, or those who still aren't MP3-equipped just yet. So, here's the track list of the first three discs... Hawkwind Covers All, Volume V "No Use For You To Weep" 1. Kula Shaker* - Hari Om Sundown 2. Time Brothers* - Magnu 3. Time Brothers - Damage of Life 4. ST 37 - Orgone Accumulator 5. Amorphis* - Levitation 6. Architectural Metaphor - Golden Void 7. Liar's Club - Urban Guerilla 8. Starfire* - Out of the Shadows 9. Sabalon Glitz* - The Forge of Vulcan 10. Brain Surgeons* - Needle Gun 11. Brain Surgeons - Hassan I Sahba Hawkwind Covers All - Volume VI "Following Us Now With Sound" 1. Porcupine Tree - Out/It Will Rain In A Million Years (alt. version) 2. DC 3* - Psy Power 3. DC 3 - I Believe It/Angels of Death 4. 5:15* - Silver Machine 5. 5:15 - Hassan I Sahba 6. Lord Brain - Sputnik Stan 7. Lord Brain - Assassins of Allah/Palestine 8. Star One* - Hawkwind Medley 9. Negative Reaction* - Lord of Light Hawkwind Covers All - Volume VII "The Nagging Choirs of Memory" 1. Archaeopteryx (David Graham)* - Spirit of the Age 2. Archaeopteryx - Assault & Battery/Golden Void 3. Archaeopteryx - Nuclear Drive 4. Archaeopteryx - Xenomorph 5. New Bomb Turks* - Ejection 6. Zone Six - Masters, Lost in the Universe 7. Liquid Visions - Masters of the Universe 8. Litmus - Assault & Battery/Golden Void Hawkwind Covers All - Volume VIII "Bring Me The Head Of Napster.com" --collection of mp3's from various sources, incl. the MountainGrill site. (see graphic image on web for tracklist) Now, of course, the whole point is to have these filter through the list in some sort of organized fashion, and of course that means a tree of some sort. But before everyone goes hogwild with requests and offers and such...let's try to first arrange an organizational structure before trying to put all the names in the slots. Folks that were involved in the original cassette tree (of which I was only a lowly leaf) might have suggestions. My thought was to have one single person (or perhaps two?) as the major hub(s) for disc-burning on each continent, No. America and Europe. With Australasia handled as necessary once the numbers in that part of the world become clear. Doug Pearson, who actually has the discs at the moment, has agreed to be that person in the US/Canada. I would normally agree to be that person here in Europe, except that I do not have a burner available at the moment, and probably won't for quite some time. So I'd be interested in serious offers to be the one person here in Europe to burn up a good twenty discs or so of flawless quality at the outset of the tree. Now, then we'd probably need another group of people on both sides of the pond to be the first branches, which again would be perhaps 5 sets of the four discs out to the leaves. Well, that would only be about 25 sets on each side of the Atlantic, and I'm thinking more people than that might come out of the woodwork to request copies, so maybe we'd double the hubs from the start? I dunno, again we agree democratically on a solution. Also, we should decide how the inserts should be printed/distributed, or whether we should just let people print their own from the .jpg's I've already provided? Of course, then the color scheme we started before might be scuttled that way... Um, and yeah, my intent was to manufacture sets to provide to the artists (excluding Vol. 8 who are largely listmembers anyway I think?) at no cost (did we do that with the cassettes, or not?), although I'm not sure who would be responsible for picking up the tab for those supplies and shipping. Would we want to have each branch person be responsible for one particular artist copy in addition to their leaves or something? We also need to compile a list of contact addresses and such to know where to send these sets. I've put asterisks on the tracklisting above for those I'm unsure about, and so if anyone has up-to-date addresses/email for these particular artists, maybe you could just privately send them to me. Al can just send his info himself if he so chooses. On that note, um, should we try to contact the artists ahead of time to see whether they're ok with the whole project? I don't think this was done with the cassettes, and nobody's making any money here and the disclaimer (that I scanned and included) states clearly that this is for *promoting* their work (and existence) and not taking advantage of them. So hopefully none of the artists would be put off by this. Yeah, and also, of course, I thought a set should go to Dave's camp in Devon, and then should we not play favorites and also send a set to Nik's camp in Wales? Makes sense to me. I think maybe a set should go to Dave Anderson too, but instead of actually putting the proper music on them (as listed on the graphics) we should probably just burn copies of "In the Beginning" and "Yuri Gagarin" on them instead. ;) Do we want to promote this/include others from related lists, like hawkwind at yahoogroups and the other HW-tree/trading list (that I think still exists?). I would be inclined to say "why not?" I doubt flocks of hundreds are going to show up? Who here knows what's going on over at those places (I had to unsubscribe during my 'busy' time at Ohio St.) and can coordinate if necessary? OK, you all know I'm now at keith.henderson at psi.ch (update your address book if you ever put me in it to begin with) and you know Doug is at jasret at mindspring.com. Feel free to either write us privately if you have a 'major' offer of assistance to make, rather than just "I want one" right now...this will take some time, be patient. Or else if you have some idea to present to the list on how to make this work (those of you from the cassette tree), go ahead and post to the list so that all of us can follow along in the planning. Just remember, this post is very long (like most of my posts!) and PLEASE, appropriately for those folks on digest mode who don't want a 2,342-line email! And to save bandwidth besides. So, I think I'm done with saying my bit...I'm all ears for ways of handling this whole thing. Over and out...Grakkl (FAA) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 05:04:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:04:53 EDT Subject: Off: Taste? whats that? (was bad taste, now just plain warped) Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:43:41 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi ya, > > I'm actually very sympathetic to the Arab cause, but they are weird (to > me anyway its a cultural thing). If you see how life is where they > live.... Well if I had to live that way I'd be more than just > suicidal. No I was just being a bit avant-garde... DaDa ist. You > know... ultimate avante garde act is to get on a stage someplace in > Paris at turn of 19th century and blow yourself up. That was thought of > as artistic not terrorist.... My how the times have changed! I'm a big fan of avane garde. Good fun. A tap dance, a few jokes, a mime and half way thru the mime BOOOOMMMMM!!! Ahhh those were the days when you could actually watch a mime blow up and laugh and laugh and laugh....... What has happened to the artists of old that used to entertain by blowing themselves up in artistic AND entertaining ways? Must have all blown up before they had little avante garde families lol From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 05:07:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:07:33 EDT Subject: NIK: new album Message-ID: Actually thats the exact sound I got when I tried it with a hardcover book....."W-S-K-J-X-F-Zed!!!!" The nutcracker adds a whole new dimension and timbre to the vocal effect lol In a message dated Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:02:04 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 9/14/2002 8:34:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > > Actually, Mike, wouldn't that be "W-S-K-J-X-F-Zed"??? > > (sorry, couldn't resist...) > > > > > Just a moment.................. > > > > kkkkkkkkkkkhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk > > > > EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:04:29 AEDT, stephe lindas < > > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET> writes: > > > > > Why not just use a nutcracker:-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Warburton" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: NIK: new album > > > > > > > > > > At 03:55 12/09/02, you wrote: > > > > >Thats right - you need to have your nuts crunched by a big bikie bitch > > > > >from hell to get that tone of voice lol (Im not willing to put the > > theory > > > > >to test either) > > > > > > > > Ackcherly, Rob Halford prefers having his nuts crunched by big bikie > > BOYS > > > > from hell *G* > > > > ChrisW > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 05:12:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:12:02 EDT Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: is the url spelled right? cant get there at all - tried several times Mb In a message dated Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:38:41 AEDT, Colin Allen writes: > Coming soon: > > http://www.londonspacerockfestival.com > > 5 great acts, 1 amazing day! > > We are planning the first London Space Rock Festival. The event will > happen sometime this winter (a date is being arranged at the moment) and 5 > impressive acts are lined up. Hopefully, this will become an annual event. > > More information on date, venue, line-up and ticketing as it becomes > available. From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sun Sep 15 07:39:19 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:39:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren book review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:52 14/09/02, you wrote: >On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Nick Medford wrote: > > Interesting and favourable review of Mick Farren's autobiog here: > > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/biography/story/0,6000,775823,00.html > Poor sod, no-one'll let him forget Julie Burchill will >they? Still, I really should buy his book, the title alone will get it >lent to people who should read him :-) Yours, > Jon I can't believe that you haven't already begged borrowed or stolen this!!! It's huuuuge fun, and he hasn't forgotten Burchill either *G* ChrisW Still on Cloud9 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Sep 15 08:16:41 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:16:41 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: > Do add my encouragement if it'll help; I've lost a good few hours to that >site and was hoping to lose some more. Does this mean he got whatever academic >qualification the `projekte' was designed for or not? I'm not quite following on the academic qualification. But I'd certainly call the site a good textbook example of using the web primarily as a "WEB" of links to related information, with the graphics and multimedia only supplementing the INFORMATION. Jerry From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Sep 15 08:32:11 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:32:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: PSEUDO SUN Message-ID: Pseudo Sun?s new CD "Atomic Dogs Don?t Bark" is finally out! It?s their 2nd album after "Future Memoirs" which was released in 1997. Work on ADDB started in May 98 when the new band (Juba Nurmenniemi: bass, vocals, keyboards, Erca Lindsv?rd: drums and Mats Jassa Singh: guitar and vocals) entered the studio. This line-up can also be heard on the cassette only release "Aliens Only" (July 1998, M + E label). The original album which also featured David Garcia-Lopes on violin was ready by summer 99. Sadly no label took interest in releasing the album, so it got shelved. A year ago Mats Jassa Singh left the band. PS tried to find a new guitarist but up to this day they found none. Instead they found keyboardist Jens Lindstrand. What we have here now is the new version of ADDB, and anyone who heard the first version will agree that this new final version is by far better. In fact, there are only 3 of 6 songs of the old version on the new one (Mutiny, Under water Worl and Atmosfear). Juba added 2 more recent songs to the album (Shapeshifter and If I only had time) which makes the album a lot more coherent IMO. Mats Singh still plays guitar on these. The album starts off with >Mutiny< (5:17), the classic heavy opening track of PS?s first ever live gig in J?nk?ping in 1998. This version is the much cleaner studio version featuring some marvellous mellotron, but still pretty heavy, especially because of Juba?s Rickenbacker bass. The sound quality throughout the album is faultless, absolutely professional. On >If I only had time< (11:14) the new synth player Jens Linstrad can be heard. He does play some great electric piano on this track. And Mats? guitar playing is amazing. The middle part is excellent when the band gets into some slower rhythm and very spacey floydian synths (or HW?s synth sounds on Amazing sounds) are being played. Some minutes later the band somehow get back to the song. This construction of the song reminds me of the way HW do theirs. But then again, PS is not another HW clone (we got enough of those methinks), they surely have a unique style of their own. >Under Water World< (4:18) is a great pop tune with some splooshy weird synths/keyboards in the background which makes you feel like being a fish in an aquarium. A great tune, but beware: This is a very persistence earworm! The track is segued into >Shapeshifter< (8:06) and again this benefits from Jens? piano playing. This song has some slower verses and a faster chorus. The synths are sounding very 70?s like which is great to my ears. Especially the 2nd instrumental part of the song is just unbelievably great pure spacerock; my high point of the album! The final song is >Atmosfear< (14:16) which also was the last song in J?nk?ping 98. Again, some additional mellotron makes this track even better. The drumming is especially good on this song. A great one. Well, what can I say? It?s just one great progressive space rock album, with all the ingredients a space rock fan needs. I know that some people say that Juba should quit singing because he just cannot sing. But the same can be said of Ali Davey. Still we got used to it, don?t we? At least what we have here are some real clever songs and some real inventive and imaginative music in perfect sound quality. Ok, I have to admit I?m a PS fan and I?m trying to push this album a bit, not only because I am involved with it in some way. But this band really has some great potential, which this album proves. I really like ADDB a lot, and it grows with each listen. And I listen to it frequently. You can get this CD (so far) only through Pseudo Sun?s website: http://warp9.to/pseudosun Prices are: UK? 7 / 10 Euro / US$ 10 including p & p. By the way, Pseudo Sun is still in search of a new guitarist! Andreas From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Sep 15 09:54:33 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:54:33 UT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: The biggest disappointment for me was that See You In Black, Old Gods and Joan Crawford will not be represented. SYIB is, in my opinion, a real classic. And this is the second indignity for Joan Crawford, the first being its omission from the Telescopes double-disc set. I just can't understand why that song keeps getting ignored. It's always been an absolute favorite of mine. Either way, I'm looking forward to the CD. . . and I think I'm gonna break down and get a DVD player finally. . . there are just too many cool music projects either coming out or in the works to ignore the format any longer. --Nick From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Sun Sep 15 10:20:44 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:20:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: >The ones I'd love to see: > >The Vigil (!!!) Seeing as it's one of the songs in the current live rotation (and they always seem to play it whenever they come to England!) >See You In Black >The Old Gods Return >Heavy Metal (The Black & Silver) >Black Blade >Take Me Away I'd like to see Nosferatu I Love The Night The Marshall Plan The Golden Age of Leather Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 15 11:07:15 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:07:15 +0100 Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: how about judge trev for the fest? nudge nudge trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com > Coming soon: > > http://www.londonspacerockfestival.com > > 5 great acts, 1 amazing day! > > We are planning the first London Space Rock Festival. The event will > happen sometime this winter (a date is being arranged at the moment) and 5 > impressive acts are lined up. Hopefully, this will become an annual event. > > More information on date, venue, line-up and ticketing as it becomes > available. > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 11:10:22 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:10:22 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: Australia is planning a beautiful summer in anticipation of HAWKWINDS Return to Australia... Drinks are on me From youless at LVCM.COM Sun Sep 15 11:27:31 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:27:31 -0400 Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: The link was prefaced with the words "Coming soon:" :-) Steve -------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:12:02 EDT, Michael W Blackman wrote: >is the url spelled right? cant get there at all - tried several times >Mb From youless at LVCM.COM Sun Sep 15 11:29:03 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:29:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: PSEUDO SUN Message-ID: Nice write-up Andreas. I checked out their website, there are some MP3 extracts of the new album there....which bear out your descriptions. Steve From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 15 11:38:27 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:38:27 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) In-Reply-To: <200208192226.SAA15065@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:58:28 +0100, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > >... I > >pause only to note that Youngs appears to get to the US without serious > >damage and Landlord won't go more than fifty miles without becoming > >furniture polish, and leave it there :-) > > And I'll pause to note that there's a bottle of Young's Ramrod waiting for > me in the fridge at home (was tempted to pick up an Old Nick, but I enjoy > barleywine much more in cold weather than warm). And I still have at least > three more hours here at work ... *sigh* ... Got my first Ramrod in months the other day; the fools appear to be rebranding the entire bottled range with subtle watercolour-like artwork rather than the good bold labels they used to have but thankfully the beer is the same. I don't know, I can't find it anywhere in Cambridge, in Brighton the newsagent at the end of Sherman's street has it and Fuller's London Porter in the fridge. Bah. Or Baa. Do I have anything on-topic to add? Only that the Pink Fairies remasters really are quite nice once you have them on loud enough, and is it my imagination or is Paul Rudolph playing through a Leslie speaker on the bonus version of `Walk Don't Run'? Yours, Jon ObCD: Pink Fairies - _What a Bunch of Sweeties_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sun Sep 15 11:47:53 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:47:53 +1000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > Australia is planning a beautiful summer in anticipation of HAWKWINDS Return to Australia... > > Drinks are on me > Alllllrrriiiighhht. I WILL BE THERE!!! Allan From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 15 11:49:47 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:49:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <000901c24316$d89d3c80$8eb53318@stepheandamy> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, stephe lindas wrote: > There just jealous. Echo drain or Echo brain. Why doesn't Led Zeppelin sue > Dread Zeppelin? Whoever heard of Echo Drain before they sued? I never did. > Why not Metallica and Elastica? Judge Trev was in a band called Iron Maiden > in 1970. Now they're the ones who should be suing. Um, unless I'm much mistaken, Metallica *did* sue Elastica. But Elastica were making such huge pots of money at that point in time that they shrugged it off out of court as Nirvana did Boston for the `Smells Like Teen Spirit' riff. And as someone else said I don't think Led Zeppelin's estate have left Dred Zeppelin alone to get on with it... Help sharks! Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 12:32:29 2002 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:32:29 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: In a message dated 09/15/2002 10:14:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK writes: > Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? I asked Joe Bouchard once, and he told me he thinks he recalls that they tried it a couple of times but it didn't really work very well, so they abandoned it. SET From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 12:45:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:45:58 EDT Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: Smegg... ok - I'll smoke some catnip and be patient lol In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:27:51 AEDT, Steve Youles writes: > The link was prefaced with the words "Coming soon:" :-) > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:12:02 EDT, Michael W Blackman > wrote: > > >is the url spelled right? cant get there at all - tried several times > >Mb From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 12:47:36 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:47:36 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: I could be in trouble after that LoL In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:48:14 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:10 AM > Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > > > > Australia is planning a beautiful summer in anticipation of HAWKWINDS > Return to Australia... > > > > Drinks are on me > > > > > Alllllrrriiiighhht. I WILL BE THERE!!! > Allan From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 12:50:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:50:44 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Some one should fuckin well sue Rolf fuckin Harris. Evil munchkin he is with his extra leg and kinky kangaroo fettish...... Mb In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:49:12 AEDT, Jon Jarrett writes: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, stephe lindas wrote: > > > There just jealous. Echo drain or Echo brain. Why doesn't Led Zeppelin sue > > Dread Zeppelin? Whoever heard of Echo Drain before they sued? I never did. > > Why not Metallica and Elastica? Judge Trev was in a band called Iron Maiden > > in 1970. Now they're the ones who should be suing. > > Um, unless I'm much mistaken, Metallica *did* sue Elastica. But > Elastica were making such huge pots of money at that point in time that > they shrugged it off out of court as Nirvana did Boston for the `Smells > Like Teen Spirit' riff. And as someone else said I don't think Led > Zeppelin's estate have left Dred Zeppelin alone to get on with it... Help > sharks! Yours, > Jon > > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Sep 15 12:54:07 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:54:07 -0400 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: OH MAN, I already booked a flight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > I could be in trouble after that LoL > > In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:48:14 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:10 AM > > Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > > > > > > > Australia is planning a beautiful summer in anticipation of HAWKWINDS > > Return to Australia... > > > > > > Drinks are on me > > > > > > > > > Alllllrrriiiighhht. I WILL BE THERE!!! > > Allan From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 13:02:03 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:02:03 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:53:25 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > OH MAN, I already booked a flight. Cherry kool aid on tha house, lol!! From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Sep 15 13:27:04 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:27:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I'd like to see >Nosferatu >I Love The Night >The Marshall Plan >The Golden Age of Leather > >Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? I think they have done it live as BOC back in the day. more recently, at the Helen Wheels tribute show (setlist posted at cellsum.com) Al,Buck and Joe +brain surgeons did it. One thing that absolutely HAS TO BE PUT ON DVD or CD is the Brain Surgeons' performance of "Seige and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weissaria". You haven't heard Heavy if you haven't heard this. I saw it twice and couldn't beleive my ears. speaking of which, did anyone else on the list manage to catch tBS' summer tour ? What did you think? After all, you all know what I thought in my oh-so-objective review :) the paradigm of journalistic integrity (and interpretive BOC dance??), jason From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Sep 15 11:37:25 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:37:25 -0300 Subject: HW more on The OEB recording session in January: (personnel at this time) Message-ID: It's my pleasure to announce that Spacehead leader, Mr. Dibs will join us on the new album. I just want to point out, that although the titles etc connote skiffle and blues, the album will be quite psychedelic. It's my vision to fuse my love of skiffle & blues with my love for psychedelia and spacerock. Here is the current list of players who will appear on the album: Mike Burro: guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: djembe, percussion Phil Smith: lead guitars Rogalski: washboard, percussion & production Mick Farren: recitations, vocals Chas McDevitt: guitar, vocals Don Craine: rhythm guitar, vocals Keith Grant: vocals, possibly bass on a tune or two Mr. Dibs: bass That pretty much covers everyone, though one or two more additional guests may yet appear. We're hoping to make this a great session!!! Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/The_OEBs www.mp3.com/sloterdijk PS: Check out www.burbs.co.uk The OEBs are proud members of The British Underground Rock Band Society!! You should join too!!!! Peace, Mike From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 15 14:38:42 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:38:42 +0100 Subject: londonspacerockfestival.com Message-ID: Indeed it was:). The site should be up and running by the end of the week. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: londonspacerockfestival.com > The link was prefaced with the words "Coming soon:" :-) > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:12:02 EDT, Michael W Blackman > wrote: > > >is the url spelled right? cant get there at all - tried several times > >Mb > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Sep 15 15:38:48 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:38:48 +0100 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: As a web developer, I'd go along with that completely. A great site, which did exactly what it said on the tin. An excellent source of information about Bob Calvert without trying to make it a stage for the developer's latest JavaScript whizzy thing. A lot of websites could take a lead from it. (I believe the phrase is "content over style") (And before anyone has a go, I know I'm as guilty as any other developer when it comes to showing off.) Cheers, Rich. (Oh, and Rik Rx - I'm awaiting a reply...) > > Do add my encouragement if it'll help; I've lost a good few hours to that > >site and was hoping to lose some more. Does this mean he got whatever > academic >qualification the `projekte' was designed for or not? > > > I'm not quite following on the academic qualification. But I'd certainly > call the site a good textbook example of using the web primarily as a "WEB" > of links to related information, with the graphics and multimedia only > supplementing the INFORMATION. > > Jerry > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Sep 15 16:22:40 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:22:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: PSEUDO SUN Message-ID: I'll second the plug for the new Pseudo Sun. (And nice artwork Andreas!). Excellent space rock with some cool proggy influences. In fact, I contacted Juba about stocking the disc so hopefully I'll be an outlet for it in the US soon. Jerry From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Sep 15 16:52:48 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:52:48 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: > > Do I have anything on-topic to add? Only that the Pink Fairies > remasters really are quite nice once you have them on loud enough, and is > it my imagination or is Paul Rudolph playing through a Leslie speaker on > the bonus version of `Walk Don't Run'? Yours, > Jon But where do I get a remaster of "Kings of Oblivion" Jon? :-( Cheers, Rich. (Drinking Landlord this evening...) From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Sep 15 17:15:45 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:15:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues Message-ID: >From the boc homepage: The high definition broadcast premiere of BLUE OYSTER CULT's "A Long Day's Night" will be on Sept. 19th 2002 at 10:00pm EDT on HDNet's channel 199 on DirecTV. This will be followed by the CD release (in-stores 9/24/02), and the VHS and DVD (with bonus xtras) release (in-store 10/8/02). Fall is a good month. the remasters of King Crimsons' Earthbound and USA are out then too. huh? From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 15 18:30:37 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:30:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth - DO NOT PANIC Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael W Blackman > The Vogons? This is a serious question?! Actually I don't care - any question that allows me an opportunity to interrogate The Book deserves to be answered in full! "They are one of the most umpleasant races in the Galaxy - not actually evil, but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters" Thank you Mr. Adams 8-) > Are they at all related to the Dogons? Tribe of African(?) > peoples who were only disovered in the turn of this century > who possessed star maps (simple drawings) of the Cirius > star cluster, in very accurate detail, which we only discovered > thru high powered telescoped many decades later? Sadly this is not quite the true situation. These rather astute African people were already well aware that strangers were asking around about astronomical observations and star clusters and the like so when questioned they were more than happy to "discover" an appropriate star map for such credulous Westerners. This explanation didn't surface though until after the TV documentary was made! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From senator at NGWEE.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sun Sep 15 21:48:13 2002 From: senator at NGWEE.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:48:13 -0700 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020915132704.0068d618@pop.acmenet.net> from "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" at Sep 15, 2002 01:27:04 PM Message-ID: > >Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? > I think they have done it live as BOC back in the day. more recently, at > the Helen Wheels tribute show (setlist posted at cellsum.com) Al,Buck and > Joe +brain surgeons did it. > > One thing that absolutely HAS TO BE PUT ON DVD or CD is the Brain Surgeons' > performance of "Seige and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at > Weissaria". Well, you can get the "Capuccino" snippet from Overture on "Box of Hammers" ;^) [If you're an Imaginos fan it's a must hear... I'm just glad I wasn't driving when I first heard it. I'd've probably wrecked laughing] > You haven't heard Heavy if you haven't heard this. I saw it twice and > couldn't beleive my ears. > speaking of which, did anyone else on the list manage to catch tBS' summer > tour ? What did you think? Went to see the Pittsburgh show w/Joe's band (Cult Brothers) and of course it totally rocked. The show was great and everyone was very friendly and happy to pose for photos and give autographs despite being the last night of the tour and I'm sure they were eager to head back home. I have some pictures that I promised Al I'd put up [mostly Cult Bros since my batteries were dying and they went on first] when I do I'll post the link here. Bill From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 15 23:49:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:49:51 EDT Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth - DO NOT PANIC Message-ID: Oh well - it was a good read anyway lol In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:32:48 AEDT, Jill Strobridge writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael W Blackman > > > The Vogons? > > This is a serious question?! Actually I don't care - any question > that allows me an opportunity to interrogate The Book deserves to be > answered in full! "They are one of the most umpleasant races in the > Galaxy - not actually evil, but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious > and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own > grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders > signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, > subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat > for three months and recycled as firelighters" > Thank you Mr. Adams 8-) > > > Are they at all related to the Dogons? Tribe of African(?) > > peoples who were only disovered in the turn of this century > > who possessed star maps (simple drawings) of the Cirius > > star cluster, in very accurate detail, which we only discovered > > thru high powered telescoped many decades later? > > Sadly this is not quite the true situation. These rather astute > African people were already well aware that strangers were asking around > about astronomical observations and star clusters and the like so when > questioned they were more than happy to "discover" an appropriate star > map for such credulous Westerners. This explanation didn't surface > though until after the TV documentary was made! > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Sep 16 02:04:43 2002 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:04:43 -0600 Subject: BOC: Nosferatu Message-ID: >>>Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? I saw them do this on the Spectres tour in LA (can't remember the venue, but I was very close). It was great. I remember Joe ripping on that Alembic bass he had. I always enjoyed the Joe songs. Liked his singing, loved his playing. He is one of my biggest bass influences, and here he is no longer a bass player! It's not right. Brad Dahl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 16 07:38:54 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:38:54 EDT Subject: BOC: Nosferatu In-Reply-To: <001c01c25d46$f4166f00$8ddcdb42@sony> Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2002, at 0:04, Brad Dahl wrote: > >>>Nave they ever done 'Nosferatu' live? > > I saw them do this on the Spectres tour in LA (can't remember the > venue, but I was very close). It was great. I remember Joe ripping > on that Alembic bass he had. > > I always enjoyed the Joe songs. Liked his singing, loved his playing. > He is one of my biggest bass influences, and here he is no longer a > bass player! It's not right. > Actually, Joe never really WAS a bass player. He started on guitar and keyboards, and, I think, studied keyboard in college. He wound up on bass because the band needed somebody, and already had a pretty good guitarist. For that matter, Allen never really wanted to play a lot of keyboards, preferring guitar. Again, that spot pretty well filled, so Allen started playing more keys. Joe is such a great musician, that he was able to switch over to bass, and play it like the natural player he is... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 16 07:53:37 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:53:37 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020915171545.00698794@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 15 Sep 2002, at 17:15, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > The high definition broadcast premiere of BLUE OYSTER CULT's "A Long > Day's Night" will be on Sept. 19th 2002 at 10:00pm EDT on HDNet's > channel 199 on DirecTV. > > This will be followed by the CD release (in-stores 9/24/02), and the > VHS and DVD (with bonus xtras) release (in-store 10/8/02). > I thought that the audio was to be released on 17 sept, and the DVD a week later. But I checked CD Now, and they're offering the audio CD on pre-order, with a release date of 24 sept. Ah, guess I can wait another week to hear Godzilla live one more time... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 16 08:02:17 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:02:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: stoner-rock list In-Reply-To: <20020816222001.F13501@cugc.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Stephen Swann wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 08:08:13PM +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > [...] > > their way onto my list, just not urgently. There's a lot of Amon Duul II > > and stoner I think is more likely to change my life, to pick two things > > out of the air. > > You know, I was idly speculating about starting up a stoner > rock mailing list, since that's most of where my heart is > these days... There did used to be a really good one I was on for a while, before it migrated to Yahoo Groups and fell foul of my sysadmin's spam- protection system. It was run by a young chap called Lou Rinaldi who was hoping to make his way as a music journo and a good few of the bands had people on it, notably Sixty Watt Shaman and Solace, and John McBain was on it for a while. There was a lot of noise but I never quite unsubscribed because every time I thought about doing so a piece of dimaond information or a gig I would have missed reached me. As you'll have noticed I'm not exactly dealing rapidly with mail at the moment so when I fell off I didn't do anything about getting back on. But the list is still around, I think, at , and though I've not been there for years it was good when I was. Yours, Jon ObCD: Jethro Tull - _Aqualung_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 16 08:13:17 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:13:17 +0100 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure In-Reply-To: <200208170334.XAA29001@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Moonglum . wrote: > In my never ending search for Hawkwind links, I found an interesting Dutch > page on the Famous Cure, Dave Brock's band pre-Hawkwind (1967). The page > has an introduction, 2 contemporary articles that appeared in the Dutch > press, and some photos: > > http://members.lycos.nl/dph2/connection/famouscure.htm > > Here's a quote which will give you a feel for how the original Dutch has > been translated into English: "Leadguitarist Michael Skettery (21) is like > a devil at his instrument. You may as well say that he can eat and drink > with it." Blimey! That's very interesting actually, because the translation in places is word-for-word the text of a typed page photoed in the book version of the _Dawn of Hawkwind_ CD. None of it is quite as bad as that, but I'm wondering how the two texts are related, or how long the translation's been around and where it's from. Not a huge concern but makes me wonder. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 16 08:12:56 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:12:56 EDT Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020914123144.01f3f4a0@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: On 14 Sep 2002, at 12:32, Chris Warburton wrote: > Anybody else going to the RFH tonight?? > Review, PLEASE! theo From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:14:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:14:23 EDT Subject: OFF: stoner-rock list Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:02:38 AEDT, Jon Jarrett writes: > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 08:08:13PM +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: Arrrrrrgggggh!! oh its ok - for a moment there I thought another birthday had crept up on me..... Back to the catnip bong..... From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:15:29 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:15:29 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues Message-ID: In a message dated 9/16/2002 6:54:03 AM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > Ah, guess I can > wait another week to hear Godzilla live one more time... > > theo, Saturday in Fort Worth, Buck was gushing about the how the show turned out. He mentioned that "even Godzilla is going to impress" ;-) There were many solos in that show that were SO different and jaw-dropping than anything we usually hear. It will be interesting to see what the hell he was doing up there :-) chuck From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 16 08:30:17 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:30:17 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues In-Reply-To: <162.13ef0777.2ab72561@aol.com> Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2002, at 8:15, Chuck Saden wrote: > Saturday in Fort Worth, Buck was gushing about the how the show turned > out. Uh, a concert review just might be in order... He mentioned that "even Godzilla is going to impress" ;-) There > were many solos in that show that were SO different and jaw-dropping > than anything we usually hear. It will be interesting to see what the > hell he was doing up there :-) I hope they include Buck's tasty intro to DFtR. Might make another proverbial chestnut a little more tolerable... Actually, I'm pretty stoked to get this one. Finally, a ripping live version of Buck's Boogie--hope that one makes the DVD...Live version of Harvest Moon will be great on audia and video... Anyone know which tunes will be on the audio CD? theo From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Mon Sep 16 08:36:47 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:36:47 +1000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: Re: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... but Steve Irwin, we'll have to wear the blame for that one. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:53:36 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:53:36 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues Message-ID: In a message dated 9/16/2002 7:30:55 AM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > Uh, a concert review just might be in order... Theo, I might not be the one to ask on this one. I filmed it from the Pit and I had an earful of Eric's monitor. There were 25,000 people there, though! Check it out at http://www.933thebone.com/pictures/bonebash-02/bb-3.htm We got the usual 5, Dance of Stilts, Harvester of Eyes and Perfect Water. As far as the CD and DVD, 20 songs on the CD, 19 on the DVD. Joan Crawford got cut on both, Astronomy on the DVD. When the Boom Camera broke during Joan Crawford, I think it threw everyone off for a while. Astronomy definitely needed a voice-over, so I imagine the DVD editing schedule didn't allow for the fix to make it on time. Pretty sure the intro to Reaper is well represented on both. chuck > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:57:49 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:57:49 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:37:07 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:02 AM > Subject: Re: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > > We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... but Steve >Irwin, we'll have to > wear the blame for that one. Easy fixed - one extra grumpy, starved, undrugged croc problem solved LoL!!!!! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 16 09:00:03 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:00:03 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues In-Reply-To: <8b.1de2bf49.2ab72e50@aol.com> Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2002, at 8:53, Chuck Saden wrote: > Theo, I might not be the one to ask on this one. I filmed it from > the Pit and I had an earful of Eric's monitor. There were 25,000 > people there, though! No kidding? B?C headlining? That's great! Check it out at HREF="http://www.933thebone.com/pictures/bonebash-02/bb-3.htm"> > http://www.933thebone.com/pictures/bonebash-02/bb-3.htm > > We got the usual 5, Dance of Stilts, Harvester of Eyes and Perfect > Water. > > As far as the CD and DVD, 20 songs on the CD, 19 on the DVD. Joan > Crawford got cut on both, Astronomy on the DVD. When the Boom Camera > broke during Joan Crawford, I think it threw everyone off for a while. > Astronomy definitely needed a voice-over, so I imagine the DVD > editing schedule didn't allow for the fix to make it on time. Pretty > sure the intro to Reaper is well represented on both. I was under the impression that the audio would only have 12 cuts. Are you sure about this? If so, then maybe it will be a double CD... theo > chuck > > > > > > > > > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 09:06:23 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:06:23 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: Stop being Horrible !!! Rolf is lovely, he's covered some great tunes in his time, I've seen him live twice and cried at both. His version of Stairway to heaven is simply breathtaking.... I could hardly breathe listening to it.... I wrote to him asking that he cover Hurry on Sundown or Spirit of the age ( a great audience participation song I think ). as they would seem to me to be very appropriate numbers for him, particularly Hurry on sundown, he could easily get the Didge working on that one, or even his electric wobble instrument. I am yet to get a response but I'm feeling really confident that he'll do it. yours hopefully Iain Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:37:07 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michael W Blackman" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:02 AM >>Subject: Re: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? >> >>We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... but Steve >Irwin, we'll have to >>wear the blame for that one. >> >> > >Easy fixed - one extra grumpy, starved, undrugged croc > >problem solved LoL!!!!! > > From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 09:22:18 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:22:18 EDT Subject: BOC: a long days night, the saga continues Message-ID: In a message dated 9/16/2002 8:00:27 AM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > No kidding? B?C headlining? That's great! Grand Funk Railroad was the headliner. On that picture spread, BOC is on pages 3 and 4. And yeah, it looks like a double CD. chuck From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Sep 16 09:28:17 2002 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:28:17 -0500 Subject: HW Covers All Vol. 5-8 Message-ID: Hi Keith, A boot by the Sisters of Mercy called Live in Europe has a cover of Silver Machine. I can pass along an mp3 if anyone wants it drop me an email. If anyone has the Sex Pistols version of SM I'd love to hear it! Mr Q's Beard did a few HW songs that were really superb on their US tour. hay! ho! brainstorm! -- Doug Bates From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 09:38:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:38:35 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:09:25 AEDT, Iain Ferguson writes: > Stop being Horrible !!! > > Rolf is lovely, he's covered some great tunes in his time, I've seen him > live twice and cried at both. His version of Stairway 1) I only wanna feed Steve Irwin to a Grumpy, starved, undrugged croc. Would make a wicked vid. Not Rolf. 2) I dont wanna hurt Rolf Harris. Just wanna see him explode in a blaze of psychedelic wonder.... quick n painless (being unwittingly run over by an 18 wheeler truck would suffice). 3) Many Australians have cried with great passion as well 4) LoL - None of the characters portrayed in this discussion were actually harmed - yet .... LOL The author in no way truly wishes to see any harm come to these characters....... if it means he may or will be held liable for said portrayls becoming an actuality. and so say all of us - ooooooohhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in this From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 09:55:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:55:47 EDT Subject: HW Covers All Vol. 5-8 Message-ID: Downloaded some mp3's from the space rock web site - where that vote was being held recently - I must say I am very impressed by Mr Q's Beard and Ozrics. Gotta get me some o' that..... In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:28:33 AEDT, Doug Bates writes: > Hi Keith, > > A boot by the Sisters of Mercy called Live in Europe has a cover of > Silver Machine. I can pass along an mp3 if anyone wants it drop me an > email. > > If anyone has the Sex Pistols version of SM I'd love to hear it! > > Mr Q's Beard did a few HW songs that were really superb on their US tour. > > hay! ho! brainstorm! > > -- > Doug Bates From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 16 10:36:13 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:36:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200208220058.UAA25562@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:06:25 +0100, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > [re: Bat Chain Puller] > > Doesn't sound too different from the kinds of differences-of-opinions we > have here. Some people are overly-incredulous, and others overly-cynical > (and some manage to combine both at once!). Tell you what, if you do pick > up the OzIT 'Bat Chain Puller', and are annoyed at the tape hiss (or other > sound issues), I'll gladly burn a copy of the boot for you. :^) Might take you up on that sir. I certainly want hold of it one way or another. I wonder if the Captain is actually getting anything, considering how he's said he doesn't want it released before now... > [re: Yule Ritual] > > Yes, I remember talking to Alan about that when Bedouin played > >Cambridge, and there was some reason they couldn't use that tape; I'm not > >sure it had everything on. But on the other hand that was while they were > >still talking about it so I don't know whether that was eventually the > >case or not. > > But was the overly-processed bass sound printed to the tape they *did* have > to use? (Where the heck did that tape come from, in that case?) It's not > *that* difficult (especially for a pro like Alan) to re-record the entire > bass part for a live album, if necessary (just ask Phil Lynott or Gene > Simmons [probably Gene Simmons' bass tech, actually]). Oh well, it comes > down to the fact that one of these days I need to obtain an audience tape > of the gig, after which I'll probably never listen to 'Yule Ritual' again. I got more information on this; they did use the tape after all, it seems, and most of what we hear is EQing and compression. A second tape was used for `Damage of Life' which cut out on the first one. I suspect that re-recording would have cost someone too much money... > >> The recent 'Nottingham 90' release is quite excellent... > > > > I'll get it at some point. Hard to be too fussed when _Palace > >Springs_ exists. > > Ah, but Simon House is only on two tracks of 'Palace Springs', while he's > on almost an entire CD of 'Nottingham 90'. (Also, you get Bridget on N90, > but that isn't nearly as big a deal to me ... and probably a minus to some > [but not me!].) I like Bridget, mostly, though not really as music... I'll get it at some point. It's not an era from which I lack Hawkwind, is the thing. > > Well, we have a kind of middle ground here, where Voiceprint > >haven't signed HW as far as we know (they don't do that sort of thing > >anyway, do they?) but are e. g. doing promotion and merchandising for > >them. They're quite at liberty to consider HW a cash cow of course but it > >smarts that the band are happy to do this too. Can't say I blame them > >given the cash involved, so I have to blame Voiceprint, simple :-) > > Fair enough, but it looks to me like all parties involved are out to make a > quick buck (which I have no problem with, but it does make me want to > assign the "blame" more equally). Yeah, I suspect I'm with you there, although it's hard to be sure where it leaves the fans who want to do the Right Thing... > > Andy Gilham reckoned, some time before his site was pulled, that > >around the time of _Epoch Eclipse_ there might have been an EMI deal for > >HW had they not then flooded EMI's potential market with substandard > >product priced below HMV's. > > This would certainly be nothing new for Hawkwind, since, allegedly, the > reason why they haven't had a major label deal in two decades is because of > all the stuff that was released through Flicknife while they were signed to > RCA. Ah, I'd missed that part of the mythos. Can entirely believe it too. I wonder if people made the same recycling arguements over the Flickknife machine as we are having over Voiceprint? > By now, I wouldn't think that they quite have the commercial potential to > attract much interest from the majors (as is the case with most of my > favorite bands). Probably the only way it would happen would be if a > certain ex-manager rammed them down the throat of a major because said > major wanted to get its hands on a hot band currently managed by said ex- > manager (pay careful attention to the copyright/performance right > information on the two "new" tracks on that recent EMI 'Masters of Rock' > CD). I did notice that, but I hadn't made the link... You may well be right, though I think Andy is also right to suggest that there were future plans at the time of _EpochEclipse_ which never came to be involved as well and those tracks might date from that episode. > Exactly. I'm sure they were both pulled for the same reason ... and too > bad, since they'd both be great additions to the catalog. Interesting that > Voiceprint has no trouble reissuing Man's segment of the GTP album (and the > bulk of their UA catalog) ... I guess that shows that Hawkwind still DO > have enough commercial potential to interest a major label in maintaining > their back catalog, which puts them ahead of Man in that respect (or maybe > there are completely unrelated reasons for this). Well, I think it's not quite the same in that EMI actually have two of the relevant tracks out, on the _Space Ritual_ remaster, so that just licensing stuff they don't want to put out themselves as with the Man catalogue isn't quite the situation here. It takes the bonus out of _Space Ritual_'s bonus tracks... > >> (the first 3 Pink Floyd singles on one CD ... > > > > That is very cool, I got it when it came out a few years back. But > >they still haven't done the *next* three singles (with `Scream thy Last > >Scream and `Vegetable Man' as bonus tracks obviously :-) ) and I wish they > >would. It's an obvious massive seller so why not? > > At least those two tracks, yes! (I don't really miss not having a copy > of "It Would Be So Nice", and the 'Ummagumma' version of "Careful With That > Axe Eugene" is vastly superior IMHO.) From what I've heard, neither > Gilmour nor Waters will consent to the release of "Scream" > and "Vegetable". Oh well, I've got 'em on bootleg, and Gilmour/Waters > certainly don't need MY money. `Careful with that Axe' is on _Relics_ anyway (and yes I agree). But `Point Me At the Sky' and `It Would Be So Nice' have never come out, and there's nothing wrong with `Let There Be More Light' coming out again in my book. > [re: Text of Festival] > As I mentioned in the other message, it appears that "Hurry On Sundown" is > the only cut from 1970, and the bassist is, indeed, Crimble. > And again, as I mentioned, Maida Vale BBC sessions are "semi-" studio > recordings, so it would be expected for a lead vocal to have been > overdubbed. Thanks for that, I hadn't realised they were sessions recordings there. Good lord, the quality should be better than that then :-) > It definitely would have been better for the investment to have been made > in sonic cleanup (although we both know perfectly well that no amount of > cash can improve an already-recorded performance), rather than pretty album > art ... Somehow I don't think Dave Anderson really takes his role as custodian of this bit of the Hawkwind legacy too seriously... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Sep 16 14:25:06 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:25:06 +0200 Subject: OFF: PSEUDO SUN Message-ID: Steve Youles wrote: > Nice write-up Andreas. I checked out their website, there are some MP3 > extracts of the new album there....which bear out your descriptions. > > Steve and Jerry Kranitz wrote: > I'll second the plug for the new Pseudo Sun. (And nice artwork Andreas!). > Excellent space rock with some cool proggy influences. In fact, I contacted > Juba about stocking the disc so hopefully I'll be an outlet for it in the US > soon. > > Jerry Thanks very much, Steve and Jerry. It?s really a great album. 45 min and 5 tracks, absolutely no fillers there to make it an 80 min CD. Juba really put much effort into this album. A few days ago I went to see the dutch band 35007 again after some years (I saw them first in 91 supporting HW in Tilburg/NL). They are an instrumental space rock outfit doing some very heavy blanga. And that?s just it: blanga, blanga, blanga. Inbetween the songs they had some ambient synth noodling though. For about 45 min as support act it?s really good. But after one hour it was too much for me to endure, so I left. They had their new album "Liquid" for sale for a very reasonable price, but I didn?t care to buy it. I already have their first 2 albums which is one more than you actually need. What I?m trying to say is this: I love some heavy blanga, yes, but it must be placed in the context of a song, like HW do. Or like Juba does it with PS. You can use my little write-up about PS for Aural Innovations if you want to, Jerry. By the way, keep up the great work with AI. I only wish it would be a printed mag again! Enough of all these flatteries now, back into lurking mode Andreas From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Sep 16 14:33:19 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:33:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: PSEUDO SUN In-Reply-To: <17r0YU-1XozdxC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: I clicked on the link on the website (you gave the link for) to order it, and an email window came up. I asked for ordering info and an awaiting a reply. I am really looking forward to this. I also have something besides the first album called Captain's Log - Astral Voyage that is very good. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Andreas Stuewe Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: PSEUDO SUN Steve Youles wrote: > Nice write-up Andreas. I checked out their website, there are some MP3 > extracts of the new album there....which bear out your descriptions. > > Steve and Jerry Kranitz wrote: > I'll second the plug for the new Pseudo Sun. (And nice artwork Andreas!). > Excellent space rock with some cool proggy influences. In fact, I contacted > Juba about stocking the disc so hopefully I'll be an outlet for it in the US > soon. > > Jerry Thanks very much, Steve and Jerry. It?s really a great album. 45 min and 5 tracks, absolutely no fillers there to make it an 80 min CD. Juba really put much effort into this album. A few days ago I went to see the dutch band 35007 again after some years (I saw them first in 91 supporting HW in Tilburg/NL). They are an instrumental space rock outfit doing some very heavy blanga. And that?s just it: blanga, blanga, blanga. Inbetween the songs they had some ambient synth noodling though. For about 45 min as support act it?s really good. But after one hour it was too much for me to endure, so I left. They had their new album "Liquid" for sale for a very reasonable price, but I didn?t care to buy it. I already have their first 2 albums which is one more than you actually need. What I?m trying to say is this: I love some heavy blanga, yes, but it must be placed in the context of a song, like HW do. Or like Juba does it with PS. You can use my little write-up about PS for Aural Innovations if you want to, Jerry. By the way, keep up the great work with AI. I only wish it would be a printed mag again! Enough of all these flatteries now, back into lurking mode Andreas From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Sep 16 16:18:00 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:18:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim Hall wrote: > I'd like to see > > Nosferatu > I Love The Night > The Marshall Plan > The Golden Age of Leather ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This would be amazing on DVD. I've seen them play Golden Age 2 or 3 times and it's always been a showstopper for me. One thing I've never seen is BOC playing for 25,000 people. I became a fan long after they had started playing large clubs. Does Grand Funk Railroad typically play for this size audience? I didn't think they were that much more popular than BOC. Also, for those who have seen the movie "Almost Famous," is the band in that movie a fictionalization of Grand Funk Railroad? I have a vague memory of reading that somewhere. Brian From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 16 17:00:22 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 04:18:00PM -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: => Also, for those who have seen the movie "Almost Famous," is the band in that => movie a fictionalization of Grand Funk Railroad? I have a vague memory of => reading that somewhere. I got the distinct impression the band was inspired by the Allman Brothers Band, especially as the story of the young reporter central to the film parallels the real-life exploits of the director, Cameron Crowe. (He did the same thing, but riding along with the ABB.) Notice the tip 'o the hat to legendary ABB roadie, Red Dog! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Sep 16 17:50:33 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:50:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Don't Fear The Bloody Reaper Message-ID: OK - quick show of hands here. How many people have told folks in the pub that BOC is their favourite band ever, only to hear the response "Didn't they do 'Don't Fear The Reaper' - I've never heard anything else..."? Cheers, Rich. > > I hope they include Buck's tasty intro to DFtR. Might make another > proverbial chestnut a little more tolerable... From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Sep 16 17:51:40 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:51:40 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: > > We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... If you're Australian, I think you are... :-)# But is that a bad thing? Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Sep 16 17:54:52 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:54:52 +0100 Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Oh, hell's teeth, here we go again... Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. Discuss. :-) Cheers, Rich. (I'm off to listen to my Alien Planetscapes Album now.) > Downloaded some mp3's from the space rock web site - where that vote was being held recently - I must say I am very impressed by Mr Q's Beard From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 18:01:18 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:01:18 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: In a message dated 9/16/2002 3:18:26 PM Central Daylight Time, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: > One thing I've never seen is BOC playing for 25,000 people. I became a fan > long after they had started playing large clubs. Does Grand Funk Railroad > typically play for this size audience? I didn't think they were that much > more popular than BOC. > I think if you looked at the play lists, Grand Funk probably gets a little more play than BOC. Some Kind of Wonderful, Loco-Motion, We're an American Band, I'm Your Captain, etc.... This was a classic case of a well promoted show. Everyone coming to the venue had to win their tickets in a Giveaway. But there wasn't any gate, so if anyone wondered to downtown Ft. Worth, they got in free and you saw some Rock and Roll. There was also a band called Broken Toyz that was a Ringer for Triumph. chuck From sheep at BOMB1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 16 19:55:43 2002 From: sheep at BOMB1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Sheep) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:55:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: Don't Fear The Bloody Reaper Message-ID: That'd be me then................................ Followed by my astounded look, when considering the others complete lack of musical knowledge...................and the statement that they deserve several screaming dizzbusters right where the sun don' shine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: BOC: Don't Fear The Bloody Reaper > OK - quick show of hands here. How many people have told folks in the pub > that BOC is their favourite band ever, only to hear the response "Didn't > they do 'Don't Fear The Reaper' - I've never heard anything else..."? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > I hope they include Buck's tasty intro to DFtR. Might make another > > proverbial chestnut a little more tolerable... > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 16 14:25:51 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:25:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: Just to say that the BOC DVD was offered to us today by the rep for the distribution company so we now have full details of it and are taking pre-orders for it at CD Services if anyone here is interested ( agcdser at aol.com ) Ta folks, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 22:28:34 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:28:34 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: The 70's are considered to be the dark ages for the comedic community. Its when Rolf emerged as a "big" name ............ I think he looks just like a witch and should have been burned at the stake.... may I burn the witch nowwwww?? lol In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:52:40 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > > > > We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... > > If you're Australian, I think you are... > > :-)# > > But is that a bad thing? > > Cheers, > > Rich. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 22:46:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:33 EDT Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Alien Planetscapes? I have seen references here and there but as yet have not havd the good fortune to hear any. Can you direct me to any samples? Would love to hear some. Failing that perhaps you could persuade me to want to purchase a particularly good cd to start with? When I listened to the Beardy samples I didn't get that impression at all. (Third rate?) I love psychedelic music and sounds and creativity in all forms (within good taste and reason of course.) Thats why I tinker within the realm as well. Not with an aim of becoming wealthy from it (tho I would not complain if it occured lol) but for the creative outlet. Which is the basic drive and why all creative people pursue their muse. Some are exceptional and do make alot of money. More power to em I say :-) There are some other bands I've sussed samples to. Myriad - Lamp of the universe - some Australasian psych bands. Very very enjoyable. In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:56:08 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Oh, hell's teeth, here we go again... > > Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. > > Discuss. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I'm off to listen to my Alien Planetscapes Album now.) > > > > Downloaded some mp3's from the space rock web site - where that vote was > being held recently - I must say I am very impressed by Mr Q's Beard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Sep 16 23:34:43 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:34:43 -0400 Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... In-Reply-To: <1a8.88d1c31.2ab7f18a@aol.com>; from Michaelangelo68@AOL.COM on Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:46:33PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:46:33PM -0400, Michael W Blackman wrote: > Which is the basic drive and why all creative people pursue > their muse. Some are exceptional and do make alot of money. > More power to em I say :-) The connection between those two things is, uh, tenuous at best, of course :-) Hawkwind; Britney Spears(*); 'nuff said. * Just noticed her initials. LOL. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / [...] despite reports to the contrary, it is the rare programmer who permanently loses his sanity while coding ("permanently" being the operative word). - Eric E. Allen From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 23:50:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:50:58 EDT Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:35:15 AEDT, Eric Siegerman writes: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:46:33PM -0400, Michael W Blackman wrote: > > Which is the basic drive and why all creative people pursue > > their muse. Some are exceptional and do make alot of money. > > More power to em I say :-) > > The connection between those two things is, uh, tenuous at best, > of course :-) Hawkwind; Britney Spears(*); 'nuff said. > > * Just noticed her initials. LOL. LoL - There is a difference in seeking creative goals and making money and seeking massive fortunes and making shitloads of money...lol and richness is is subjective. I mean to some people in the world I would be considered really well off. But in my own social realm I am not considered that at all lol From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Sep 17 06:16:34 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:16:34 +0100 Subject: Off: Taste? whats that? Message-ID: Rory Gallagher's old band. Class Act I'll get me coat ChrisW -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:04:53 EDT From: Michael W Blackman Subject: Re: Off: Taste? whats that? (was bad taste, now just plain warped) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 17 07:24:22 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:24:22 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2002, at 16:18, Brian Halligan wrote: > One thing I've never seen is BOC playing for 25,000 people. I became a > fan long after they had started playing large clubs. Hey, where were ya a few years back when they were playing at the Vernon Downs rock festival seemingly every year? Even headlined it once. Had to be 25K easy. Granted it was a multil-band show and nobody knows how many in attendance were there to see B?C. Sounded like everybody there liked 'em, though! Does Grand Funk > Railroad typically play for this size audience? I didn't think they > were that much more popular than BOC. > Like B?C, they mainly play large, outdoor festival shows in the summer, featuring several bands, so they get a decent draw. Seems like B?C rarely play bars anymore. A few obvious exceptions, of course... theo From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Sep 17 07:40:53 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:40:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck Message-ID: -----theo wrote ----- >Subject: Re: OFF: Jeff Beck >On 14 Sep 2002, at 12:32, Chris Warburton wrote: >> Anybody else going to the RFH tonight?? >Review, PLEASE! >theo I thought about it, but I was too blissed out on the night, too much domestic shit to deal with thru last night, and now it's Tuesday I was just going to say "Sod it!", but since you ask so nicely I'll see what I can do *G* Needless to say, I was too busy watching to take any notes, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm a bit vague on the order of things, and lack of a comprehensive setlist - but maybe one of those will sow up in the monthlies. It was the last of 3 nights billed "special guests" were The White Stripes & John McLaughlin (Thursday was Roger Waters, Friday Waters and The White Stripes) - if I'd known what was going on I'd have tried to scare up the cash for one of the other nights as well. I was a bit surprised when I took my seat, because the stage didn't appear to be set up for either of the "guests" there were 2 drum kits (neither of them Meg's - way too big!). Sure enough, it was Jeff's band that took the stage. Jennifer Batten, Tony Hymas & I didn't catch the bass player's or drummer's names. Jeff still looking every inch the rocker: black singlet, black jeans, big black boots and white strat. Don't know if he's hiitting the Grecian 2000, but the hair's still jet black too, though there are slight signs of a small bald patch on the crown *G* They kicked off with assorted stuff from the Blow by Blow/Wired era including a lovely "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" and my jaw was just dangling slack. They were then joined by a singer (sorry, no name again) of good voice and a fair gob-iron player for "Must Have Done Somebody Wrong", Morning Dew and other Steart era JBG material. I was floating by now. Then it was back to the flash instrumental stuff and the band were joined by Terry Bozzio on the second set of traps, and, for Rollin'n'Tumblin', an outlandishly garbed Imogen Heap on vocal. To close the first set, the band stripped down to the Guitar Shop trio for about 20 mins of material from that album: part way through that Jeff said "Terry, show the people what those drums are for", and he did - a short but superb solo in which he actually PLAYED the drums - no mindless flailing for that boy! So, I took my double scotch out on the terrace in a daze, just thinking "**** me, and we're only half way through...." Second half, and Meg White's little kit has appeared on stage. After a short instrumental version of "Still I'm Sad" (eat your heart out, Blackmore) Jeff introduced The White Stripes, who with the bass player from (IIRC) The Greenhorns replaced the band to become The Yardbirds for the next 20 minutes or so. Great fun - "Better Man Than I", "Ain't Got You" and a bunch of other 'birds classic played with gusto, brio and a distinct punk ethic! Sad to say, Meg can't keep time for shit, she's well enthusiastic and entertaining to watch, but it seemed like she was playing along with the rest of them rather than propelling them. Some splendidly '60s visuals were projected during this mini-set, including clips from "Blow Up": the club scene where The Yardbirds were playing.... Then it was back to the instrumental stuff for a while, including one number when Jennifer came out front and the pair of them duetted/cut each other up for a while. It's hard to imagine that woman playing backup to anybody - she's a terrific guitar player in her own right. Jeff announced "This is where I might as well put my guitar in the bin - John McLaughlin". Big John came on stage making bowing gestures to Jeff, who got down on his knees, took off his guitar and bowed his head to the floor. This mutual expression of "I am not worthy"ness inevitably produced guffaws from the audience. Needless to say, what followed was a blinding display of two totally contrasting but complementary guitar styles, Jeff's playing all sloppy legato and bent notes, John his usual astonishingly precise self, through a bluesy jam and what I think was an old Mahavishnu tune, for which they were joined by an indian percussionist. >From there on, it was heads down for the finishing line, with a brief breather in the form of "People Get Ready" with the singer doing a fine job, and later including an unannounced, and I think unexpected "guest" - "Cor, it's like having 10 birthdays all at once! Ladies & Gentlemen, Paul Rodgers is in the house!". They then ripped though a rough but entertaining rendition of Don Nix's "Going Down". Shame that PR could only remember the words for one verse, but it was wondeful anyway. First encore a solo instrumental (from GS, I think) and the everybody on stage for "You'll have to help me out on this, I'm not in very good voice" - a sloppy stomp through "HiHo...."!!! I floated home.... So, to within a few days, it was the 32nd anniversary of my first ever rock show. In that time I've seen a pretty fair percentage of the world's greatest guitar players, but I think that was probably the most comprehensively wonderful display of plank-mangling that I've ever experienced. It wasn't a pristine, note-perfect display of "look at me aren't I ****ing wonderful" technique, it was a master musician in his maturity enjoying playing to the full. The man looked fit and well and rather like he just crawled out from under one of his hot-rods and strapped on his axe to do business. I've seen jeff be very modest about his technique in print, saying "I just can't do THAT stuff" when talking about some of his successors (e.g. EvH), but I watched him pull off stuff that I doubt that anybody else would even dare to try in front of a live audience. Who da man? Jeff da man! No doubt about it! ChrisW Still floating... From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Tue Sep 17 07:57:30 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (Tim Elliott) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:57:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: Read in an interview somewhere Cameron Crowe says that the band in the movie was a compilation of the bands he had traveled with tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 17:00:PM Subject: Re: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing > On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 04:18:00PM -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: > > => Also, for those who have seen the movie "Almost Famous," is the band in that > => movie a fictionalization of Grand Funk Railroad? I have a vague memory of > => reading that somewhere. > > I got the distinct impression the band was inspired by the Allman > Brothers Band, especially as the story of the young reporter central > to the film parallels the real-life exploits of the director, Cameron > Crowe. (He did the same thing, but riding along with the ABB.) > > Notice the tip 'o the hat to legendary ABB roadie, Red Dog! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Tue Sep 17 08:52:29 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:52:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: <00bb01c25e41$693bb100$1600a8c0@Tim> Message-ID: Tim Elliott wrote: >Read in an interview somewhere Cameron Crowe says that the band >in the movie was a compilation of the bands he had traveled with >tim 8>)... Much like Spinal Tap, then; bits of Uriah Heep, Saxon, The Scorpions and others. Anyone know who those bands were? -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 16 14:39:03 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:39:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear delete if offended.. swear words afoot.... Message-ID: Rats - I wish I had time Mike to say why it's one of the ideas you've come up with that is, at best, unfair on the shops, and at worst,could quite easily land you a fine for defacing product instore. It is no disrespect to you to say that, sadly, most shop managers will be more intent on ejecting you from the store as soon as possible than having an eloquent discussion on the merits of dubious Hawkwind titles, and probably the truth of the matter is that they really will think "nuts" to stocking the band's work if this is the sort of thing that ensues. Yer heart's in the right place but the shops are not the culprit. Try the BPI and see - that should get a lot more response and may even get results. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cosmic Overdrive: Oh Dear delete if offended.. swear words afoot.... > Iain Ferguson writes: > > > Sorry for the following, I've just blown up.... > > > > > > cant we screw Dave (asshole)Anderson over. > > I'm game. > > > He really pisses me off > > Moi aussi. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? The first thing that comes to my mind > is that we produce and distribute amongst ourselves some stickers. These > should be arranged to state the truth (meaning we have to find it out). > Let's say that they say "Not official Hawkwind release. Avid fans say > these are not the best quality sound and advise a different purchase" > > We all spend time looking at CD's in record shops. We arm ourselves by > printing these stickers (every stationers has cheap A4 sheets with up to 60 > stickers on them - I use them for sending postcards) and applying them > as necessary. The record shops will soon enough notice and may take it > further. At the very least they'll avoid reordering just to avoid the > hassle of peeling off the stickers. It may not take this happening in > many shops in a chain for the word to percolate to where it needs to. > > The only real risk is whether they'd avoid the hassle by not ordering in > any Hawkwind stuff at all. Would this be obvious by the stickers > targetting only particular albums? > > If someone gets caught doing this then it might in the long run be even > better. Demand a chance to see someone and question why they're stocking > poor quality non-official material. > > Over to the floor... > > FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Sep 17 10:42:28 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:42:28 +0800 Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: Hi there Having met him & recorded a TV interview with him for a local West Australian community station, I'll second the comment that he's a nice person with a great sense of humour! Also, I agree with you that he would do a great Hurry on Sundown! Have never met Steve Irwin though. Seen very few framents of his show, but it never appealed to me. William > Stop being Horrible !!! > > Rolf is lovely, he's covered some great tunes in his time, I've seen him > live twice and cried at both. His version of Stairway to heaven is > simply breathtaking.... I could hardly breathe listening to it.... > I wrote to him asking that he cover Hurry on Sundown or Spirit of the > age ( a great audience participation song I think ). as they would seem > to me to be very appropriate numbers for him, particularly Hurry on > sundown, he could easily get the Didge working on that one, or even his > electric wobble instrument. > > I am yet to get a response but I'm feeling really confident that he'll > do it. > > yours hopefully > > Iain > > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM wrote: > > >In a message dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:37:07 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > > > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Michael W Blackman" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:02 AM > >>Subject: Re: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? > >> > >>We are NOT responsible for Rolf Harris.... but Steve >Irwin, we'll have to > >>wear the blame for that one. > >> > >> > > > >Easy fixed - one extra grumpy, starved, undrugged croc > > > >problem solved LoL!!!!! > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 17 11:01:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:01:13 EDT Subject: HW : Hawkwind return to Australia?? Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:46:59 AEDT, William Duffy writes: > Hi there > > Having met him & recorded a TV interview with him for a local West > Australian community station, I'll second the comment that he's a nice > person with a great sense of humour! Also, I agree with you that he would do > a great Hurry on Sundown! Have never met Steve Irwin though. Seen very few > framents of his show, but it never appealed to me. > > William hmmmmmmm - what if we feed him to just a little crocadile then??? Pleaseeeeeeeeeee From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 17 11:36:46 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:36:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D2060137A3E3@uk01ex01.TRAVEL.OAG.COM> Message-ID: Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! I wish I'd been there On 17 Sep 2002 at 12:40, ChrisW Work wrote: > I thought about it, but I was too blissed out on the night, too much > domestic shit to deal with thru last night, and now it's Tuesday I was just > going to say "Sod it!", but since you ask so nicely I'll see what I can do > *G* > > Who da man? > Jeff da man! No doubt about it! F*****G A From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 17 11:43:10 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:43:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck In-Reply-To: <3D875A1E.27674.303B211@localhost> Message-ID: > > Who da man? > > Jeff da man! No doubt about it! > > F*****G A ob:B?C: Jeff happens to be Buck's favorite guitarist... theo From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Sep 17 13:50:58 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:50:58 -0400 Subject: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Now thats a load of Bollocks. They may have been influenced by Hawkwind, but their music is definately there own. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... > Oh, hell's teeth, here we go again... > > Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. > > Discuss. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I'm off to listen to my Alien Planetscapes Album now.) > > > > Downloaded some mp3's from the space rock web site - where that vote was > being held recently - I must say I am very impressed by Mr Q's Beard From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Sep 17 14:50:39 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:50:39 UT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: > >> One thing I've never seen is BOC playing for >25,000 people. I became a fan >> long after they had started playing large clubs. >Does Grand Funk Railroad >> typically play for this size audience? I didn't >think they were that much >> more popular than BOC. For a while there, I think they were A LOT more popular than BOC. If I'm not mistaken, they sold out Shea stadium faster than the Beatles. Like so many bands, though, including BOC, they went from being huge to being a footnote in rock history. --Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 17 15:05:44 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:05:44 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: <200209171850.OAA72803@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2002, at 18:50, Nick English wrote: > > > >> One thing I've never seen is BOC playing for > >25,000 people. I became a fan > >> long after they had started playing large clubs. > >Does Grand Funk Railroad > >> typically play for this size audience? I didn't > >think they were that much > >> more popular than BOC. > > For a while there, I think they were A LOT more popular than BOC. Hey, didn't GFR play the Atlanta Pop Festival? That must've been over 100K in attendance, easy. I saw B?C at a couple of outdoor festivals back in the day, where they had to be around the 100K mark. Malta Speedway [near Albany] was huge, and I saw 'em at Rich Stadium, which was absolutely packed, both seats and stadium floor... If > I'm not mistaken, they sold out Shea stadium faster than the Beatles. Yeah, well, according to the TV ads, Slim Whitman sold more records in the UK than Elvis... > Like so many bands, though, including BOC, they went from being huge > to being a footnote in rock history. Didn't Mark Farner become some kind of Jesus Freak musician? Guess he put that on hold when he realized he could rake in the bucks playing the summer sheds as a nostalgia act. Guess god'll have to wait her turn a few more years... Wonder what kind of groupies show up at a Christian rock concert? Maybe that's what changed Mark's mind? theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Sep 17 15:17:08 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:17:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: <200209171850.OAA72803@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > For a while there, I think they [Grand Funk] were A LOT more popular than BOC. > If I'm not mistaken, they sold out Shea stadium faster than the Beatles. Like > so many bands, though, including BOC, they went from being huge to being a > footnote in rock history. Wow, I never knew Grand Funk was such a big draw in the '70s. Thanks for the info. For me, I found BOC and many other '70s bands through a winding road that started with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. After "discovering" so many bands who were as good or better, and who were just as popular at the time, I've always been interested in why Band X is a household name today while Band Y is mostly forgotten. Brian obCD> anything by Pearl Jam...whatever happened to them? From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Sep 17 15:17:11 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:17:11 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: In a message dated 9/17/2002 2:06:47 PM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > Didn't Mark Farner become some kind of Jesus Freak musician? I saw Mark Farner at the same show as BOC and the Hendrix Experience on some farm in Tennessee a few years back. He sounded a lot more like Grand Funk than Grand Funk does. Have to say it sounded pretty damn good. It was straight up Grand Funk without the Sermon on the Mount. Heard a funny exchange before the show in Fort Worth. The boys had obviously enjoyed their 2 weeks vacation: Eric: So, Donald, what are we going to play tonight? Buck: How about some Blue Oyster Cult!? Eric: That sounds good, I haven't even heard a BOC tune in 2 weeks! Buck: I know what you mean, I haven't either! chuck (That's my Almost Famous impression :-) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Sep 17 15:36:32 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:36:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing In-Reply-To: <3D8744C6.10231.1B36833@localhost> Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > what kind of groupies show up at a Christian rock concert? Until Stryper's unauthorized biography comes out, we may never know. ;-) Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 17 15:52:11 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:52:11 EDT Subject: OFF: the dirt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2002, at 15:36, Brian Halligan wrote: > Ted Jackson wrote: > > > what kind of groupies show up at a Christian rock concert? > > Until Stryper's unauthorized biography comes out, we may never know. > ;-) > Hey, did anyone here read The Dirt, the M?tley Crue bio? Gotta be some spicy stuff in there... theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 17 16:22:50 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:22:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Grand Funk (was: BOC DVD track listing) Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:17:08 -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: >Nick English wrote: > >> For a while there, I think they [Grand Funk] were A LOT more popular >> than BOC. For a while, they were probably the most popular rock band in the USA. I could never figure out why (I grew up some time after this period had passed), until a couple years ago, my friend was playing one of the early GFR albums in his living room, and his friend passed me a not-very-pleasant tasting joint. The verdict: GFR sound *awesome* on PCP, which is about the only nice thing I can say about either the band OR the substance (I was a *mess* when I left his house). And both were hugely popular in the early 70's (at least in the USA). >For me, I found BOC and many other '70s bands through a winding road that >started with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. After "discovering" so many >bands who were as good or better, and who were just as popular at the time, >I've always been interested in why Band X is a household name today while >Band Y is mostly forgotten. And, of course, in the early 1970's, GFR were *much* bigger than Black Sabbath (and even bigger than Zep). Times change ... >obCD> anything by Pearl Jam...whatever happened to them? They were foolish enough to challenge the ticketmaster/clear channel concert venue/radio station monopoly, and are paying the price. Or something like that, I was always more of a Green River / Mudhoney fan, anyway ... (and speaking of Jesus freaks, I once played one of Stryper's guitars that was owned by a crazed speedfreak I bought a bass amp from) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Sep 17 16:35:39 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:35:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Dates Announced Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Sep 17 16:53:05 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:53:05 -0500 Subject: HW: gig w/motorhead Message-ID: Hey folks, I just heard a rumour that Hawkwind are playing with Motorhead in London on 19 Oct. Anyone else heard anything? The Mission Control webpages refer to a BIG gig on 19 Oct in London..... (Take a look at the updates at http://www.hawkwind.org.uk/up_.htm in the Weird Vinyl Releases bit up at the top.) According to Ticketmaster, Motorhead is playing Wembley on 19 Oct. Anyone got any details? Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 17 16:59:59 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Dates Announced In-Reply-To: <200209172035.QAA09345@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Where? I can't find anything about it at the link below. Horse On 17 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rik Rx wrote: > ++ STAR WARRIORS > > Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 17 17:01:50 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:01:50 +0100 Subject: Earth's 3rd moon - just trash! Message-ID: Just a follow up from a friend about the 3rd "moon" in case anyone is interested. Where's Spaceman Stan when you need him! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- > Jill Strobridge wrote: > > This is fun. Even Cruithne is news to me! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm > > Heh, Cruithne is a Trojan asteroid with pretensions (and, okay, a > captured orbit...) > > Looks like this one is what I suspected, a Saturn S-IVB from Apollo 12 > (i.e. the 3rd stage of the Saturn 5; the three stages are known as the > S-IC, the S-II and the S-IVB - you can see the Apollo 11 Saturn V being > prepared at > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap11ann/kippsphotos/saturn5.ht ml > and the very Saturn in question at > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/images/pao/AS12/10075395.jpg, along with two > birds whose thoughts can probably be summed up as "What the hell is > _that_?") > > There's some good info at the Near Earth Orbit page > (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/) which has information on the backwards > tracing of the orbit, which seems to show that the object was in orbit > around the Sun until last year when it came close enough to the L1 > Lagrange point to be captured by the Earth instead. Also, it seems to > show that in the early 70s the opposite happened; the sun captured it > from Earth orbit. There's some nice pictures of the S-IVB just as it was > discarded. > > Interestingly there's a 20% chance it will impact the moon next year, > and there's now frantic efforts to try and work out if the ALSEPs > (Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Packages) left behind by several Apollo > missions, which have seismographs on board, can be powered up again. > They're nuclear (which is why there was concerns about Apollo 13's lunar > module re-entering - it had one attached, which apparently did survive > reentry and is now at the bottom of an ocean trench) but to save money > they were shut down in 1977. See > http://www.msnbc.com/news/807219.asp?0si=-&cp1=1 > > There's also a 3% chance it will hit Earth and burn up. It would be _so_ > cool if it came close enough and into a favourable enough orbit that the > Shuttle could grab it... now that's what I call archaeology! Unlikely > though. :-) > > Angus From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Sep 17 17:34:01 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:34:01 UT Subject: OFF: Grand Funk (was: BOC DVD track listing) Message-ID: >>obCD> anything by Pearl Jam...whatever happened to >them? Pearl Jam has a new album, "Riot Act", coming out November 12th. They're also gonna record and release "official bootlegs". . . if that's a viable term. . . of all shows on the subsequent tour. They also did this when they toured in support of their 2000 album "Binaural". (--No, I'm not a Pearl Jam fan. I work in the radio industry, so I know all this crap.) As for Mark Farner's flirtation with Born Again-ness. . . back in the '80s, I made the mistake of buying a Farner solo album, clueless as to its "Religious rock" nature. I can't remember anything about the album except for two things: The music was HORRIBLE, and the cover, if memory serves, had an orange on it, which was peeled in such a manner that it looked like a globe of the Earth. --Nick From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 17 18:23:17 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:23:17 EDT Subject: HW: gig w/motorhead Message-ID: In a message dated 9/17/2002 4:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: << I just heard a rumour that Hawkwind are playing with Motorhead in London on 19 Oct. Anyone else heard anything? >> According to the MH site they r booked for Wembley on Oct 19 bill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 17 18:33:37 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:33:37 +0100 Subject: HW: gig w/motorhead In-Reply-To: <14d.1424ff42.2ab90555@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/2002 4:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: > > << I just heard a rumour that Hawkwind are playing with Motorhead > in London on 19 Oct. > Anyone else heard anything? >> > > According to the MH site they r booked for Wembley on Oct 19 That gig's part of the double-header tour Motorhead are doing with Anthrax! That just can't be the gig Mission Control refers to. Mike Coleman would *die* if he couldn't make it... Hawkwind supporting Anthrax? No. I don't believe it, the plan must have failed. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 17 20:14:04 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:14:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <000d01c24da7$a21a1250$96fb2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Alisa wrote: > When you all, Nik's raging fans, stop this nonsence? I think everyone is > tired to get messages about it. why you don't make a list for yourself where > you will discuss it with each other? There's enough of these lists around now that you could find one where no-one criticised the band *ever* if you wanted, I'm sure. I'm no Nik partisan, I don't know who is; if I pick a side it's that the music's on. > Nik's can't play, can't copmpose anymore. He can't bring to rehearsals his > own band. This is truth and fact. Well. Nik *can* play, I've heard him do it relatively recently. Unfortunately he doesn't always do so. Can't compose, I've suspected for a long time, and indeed if Weclome to the Future were still up you'd see on there an interview with Nik where I asked if he'd written any new songs lately so as to try and get an answer, but he answered, "I write new songs all the time" which is no kind of answer at all. Rehearsals, is a good call I imagine. We were supposed to be seeing new ICU early this year, but the Dingwalls gig fell through and within minutes, it seemed, Nik was off doing something else, and Trev had revived Bajina as Inner City Hawks without telling the rest of ICU (or at least, Steve). On the other hand Nik's Space Ritual seem to have got it together. I guess they've finally had enough gigs to serve as rehearsals... And look, product! Now, we know Hawkwind can rehearse because there's often a good portion of the band handy on IRC, though never all of it at once whatever it currently is. But we see no signs of new releases at *all*. Court cases all silent. I mean, I know Hawkwind is the better band, you don't have to tell me this, but there was a time when they were the more professional too. That's what bothers me. I guess I go to both Xmas shows and see who kicks arse and who doesn't. And who slags the other off from the stage, that's always good for a laugh. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 17 20:23:01 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:23:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <001001c24dc2$06b93370$a3fb2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Alisa wrote: > Ok, I see. But we all have different tastes. I remember that site very well > and I can say it was good but not more. And it wasn't properly updated for a > long time anyway. Rik's site has something special. I like it more. It's > just a matter of taste. It wasn't properly updated for a long time between 1997 and 2000 or so because it was still in Doug Smith's care waiting for something to happen to it. Andy happened to it and it started being updated then, with any information Andy got from anyone official. Of course now the band's idea of what's official could differ from Andy's because the site belonged to their *ex*-manager, but you couldn't say Andy wasn't a fan. > As I said before Andy could move his own site to another server. And it was > really bad that he advertised gigs of Hawkwind enemy - Nik Turner. I noticed > it before all this scandal and was very disappointed in that site. If it was > just a site about space rock it would be ok. But it was Hawkwind site at > Hawkwind.com at the moment. And Nik's advertising there was like a kick to > real Hawkwind. Not sure Andy could do that, because the content wasn't his, it was Doug's, in terms of ownership. Lots of clippings Doug supplied and so on. It had been the official site, while Doug was still the manager. Its status after that was a bit unclear; I guess it was the official site until the band claimed otherwise. Dave's page was linked to from Andy's long before Rik got near either... Andy also advertised Huw's gigs, before Huw was back in the line-up, Bedouin's gigs and a bunch of other stuff. Anything Hawkwind-related he could manage. I find it difficult to believe that even you think a Nik gig *actually billed as a Nik gig* could really damage Hawkwind in any way. How, for heaven's sake? And this Nik as "Hawkwind's enemy" thing sounds like a bad cartoon. Probably by Michael Butterworth. Nik thinks he's in the right, that's the problem... > just my point of view, Not one I can agree with much of I'm afraid. Of course this stuff is just my point of view but with a slightly longer-term perspective. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Sep 17 22:54:10 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:54:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: So why can't all parties involved just play their damned music and just get on with it, and quit the petty crap that is going on now. Life is short, and every one knows damned well who Dave Brock is, and who Nik Turner is, and it will never go beyond that. Sheeeit, man.! Nik had his contributions, so did Dave. They are all Musicians, dammit, and that's what they do for a living, or have a passion for, whatever they decide to call themselves at the time....... Just take it all for what it's worth and spend your money where you want, ferchrissake! I got into Hawkwind to begin with originally because I appreciated Nik's' wierdness, as well as Dave's, and all others who made the music what it is and was, and now that it comes to having to choose sides is complete shite and it is regretful that it is implied that either side implies that they have a patent on what makes or made Hawkwind Hawkwind to begin with. Just let them play the music, and each earn a living, dammit, and forget about the petty bullshit, please. Nik contributed to the legacy as much as Dave, and has the right to as much as anyone else in the band. Just listen to their earlier albums in which Nik was as integral as anyone else in making the band what it is today, and why we continue to pursue it. TC From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Sep 17 23:29:20 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:29:20 -0400 Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: I'm no expert on MQB having heard only some MP3's and seem them twice (Hastings & HawkFest)...but I'd say the hypothesis could be termed factually incorrect in that I hear almost as much of an early Pink Floyd influence in their music as I do Hawkwind. Third rate they may be, or not, depending on one's own taste - they certainly seem to be competent musicians. I like the drums + bass + keyboards + two lead guitarists line- up - that's always struck me as the optimal configuration for a rock band. And the 2 guitar players have different enough sounds and styles (clean Strat with delay, plus a fuzzy humbucker superstrat?) that there's a textural depth happening as a result. But hey, I wouldn't even knock a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. In fact, I'd like to be in one... IMHO the worst space rock is better than the most technically accomplished Top 40 drivel. Steve ---------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:54:52 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Oh, hell's teeth, here we go again... > >Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. > >Discuss. > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Wed Sep 18 03:42:47 2002 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted Blair) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:42:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jeff Beck Message-ID: I'm not a fan of Jeff Beck as such but was curious enough to give it a whirl (?40 a ticket mind!) and went to the Thurs night gig since I fancied seeing Roger Waters too - again not a fan but curious. I can't say that I was blown away by the gig - I found some of what JB did to be a bit disjointed (no doubt fans would call it free-form!) but it was interesting to see one of the acknowledged guitar greats at work. I'm more of a Bill Nelson fan when it comes to axe men - sadly making too few few appearances with a geetar these days though I did see him a few weeks ago doing some old Be Bop/Red Noise numbers. The highlight for me was a great take on the Beatle's "A Day in the Life" and then when Roger Waters came on to do "What God Wants" - which saw a bit more disciplined playing from JB. Still, everyone else certainly enjoyed it. Setlist as follows... Beck's Bolero Rice Pudding Angel/Footsteps Goodbye Porkpie Hat Blue Wind Still I'm Sad I'm A Man Ain't Superstitious Heart Full of Stone Morning Dew Savoy Slingshot Big Block Freeway Jam interval Pump/Brush With the Blues Star Cycle Behind The Veil Rollin' and Tumblin' What God Wants (Roger Waters) Nadia What Mama Says Going Down People Get Ready A Day In The Life Where Were You Hi-ho Silver Lining (Nicked from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jeffbeckappreciationsociety/message/1270) Also a far-from-complimentary review from the Times for that night as well: WITH the pre-concert publicity promising a musical journey ?from the Yardbirds to the future? with ?very special guests?, expectations were running high for Jeff Beck?s first London show in three years. The guitarist has previously avoided playing the nostalgia card. But now, at 58, his attitude has softened, and the tone for this lengthy presentation was set by an opening salvo of Beck?s Bolero and Rice Pudding, tracks from his first two solo albums released in 1968 and 1969 which, frankly, sounded their age. Beck?s lustrous guitar tone and brittle, swooping technique remained intact but, perhaps in keeping with the era they sought to evoke, the backing musicians sounded sluggish and under-rehearsed. Meanwhile, back projections of spinning wheels and other examples of Sixties art were intercut with moody photographs of Beck in his youth, a naff visual distraction which further underlined the sense of stepping into a timewarp. The first of the ?very special? guests, whom Beck introduced as ?my favourite all-time singer?, was Jimmy Hall. Jimmy who? Formerly a member of the long-forgotten American bar band Wet Willie, Hall brought some pub-rock mediocrity to bear on performances of Muddy Waters?s I?m a Man, Tim Rose?s Morning Dew, the old Yardbirds hit Heart Full of Soul and others. The rapid haemorrhaging of Beck?s credibility was stem- med for a while by the arrival of the drummer Terry Bozzio, who with Tony Hymas, a keyboard player, joined the lean, black-clad guitarist in a more savage display of jazz-rock bravado on numbers including Sling Shot, Big Block and Freeway Jam. Things perked up in the second half as the band picked their way through faithful versions of Pump and Star Cycle (the theme from The Tube). But then Roger Waters arrived to supply a predictably ponderous What God Wants, which he was so concerned to get right that he read his own lyrics off a sheet of paper. With the return of Hall for another stretch of journeyman bluster on Don Nix?s Going Down and Curtis Mayfield?s People Get Ready, the concert?s two-star fate was, regrettably, sealed. As Beck signed off with a spine-tingling interpretation of Lennon and McCartney?s A Day in the Life, the man?s awesome musicianship was not in doubt. But his personality is too cold, arrogant and egotistical to provide the necessary enthusiasm, let alone bonhomie, for an exercise of this nature to gel. His reluctant encore of Hi Ho Silver Lining ? complete with puking gestures to indicate his disdain for the song ? was insulting and embarrassing. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 18 05:31:40 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:31:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Grand Funk (was: BOC DVD track listing) Message-ID: Pearl Jam are about to release a new album, and their record company are using strange techniques to avoid piracy.... see here: http://on.starblvd.net/cgi-bin/bbsmsg?hitheads&tr=58 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" > >obCD> anything by Pearl Jam...whatever happened to them? > > They were foolish enough to challenge the ticketmaster/clear channel > concert venue/radio station monopoly, and are paying the price. Or > something like that, I was always more of a Green River / Mudhoney fan, > anyway ... (and speaking of Jesus freaks, I once played one of Stryper's > guitars that was owned by a crazed speedfreak I bought a bass amp from) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 18 07:17:03 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:17:03 EDT Subject: HW: Dates Announced Message-ID: Beautiful...... plenty of time to plan und organise!! Cheers In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:35:54 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ++ STAR WARRIORS > > Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 18 07:36:22 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:36:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth - DO NOT PANIC In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:49:51 EDT Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > > > Are they at all related to the Dogons? Tribe of African(?) > > > peoples who were only disovered in the turn of this century > > > who possessed star maps (simple drawings) of the Cirius > > > star cluster, in very accurate detail, which we only discovered > > > thru high powered telescoped many decades later? > > > > Sadly this is not quite the true situation. These rather astute > > African people were already well aware that strangers were asking around > > about astronomical observations and star clusters and the like so when > > questioned they were more than happy to "discover" an appropriate star > > map for such credulous Westerners. This explanation didn't surface > > though until after the TV documentary was made! This has already been debunked. The half-assed investigators told them about Sirius B. See the urban legends site for details. FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 18 07:40:11 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:40:11 EDT Subject: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:50:05 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > Now thats a load of Bollocks. They may have been influenced by Hawkwind, but > their music is definately there own. Cheers STEPHE Here here (or hear hear) whichever spelling is appropriate ;-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 18 07:42:31 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:42:31 EDT Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:36:59 AEDT, Brian Halligan writes: > Ted Jackson wrote: > > > what kind of groupies show up at a Christian rock concert? > > Until Stryper's unauthorized biography comes out, we may never know. ;-) If they are Mormon Christian rock groupie types they'd probably be female missionaries looking for a husband after their mission is up to breed lotsa little mormon bubs From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 18 07:48:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:48:35 EDT Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Perfectly spoken :) I agree with ya all the way In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:29:28 AEDT, Steve Youles writes: > I'm no expert on MQB having heard only some MP3's and seem them twice > (Hastings & HawkFest)...but I'd say the hypothesis could be termed > factually incorrect in that I hear almost as much of an early Pink Floyd > influence in their music as I do Hawkwind. Third rate they may be, or not, > depending on one's own taste - they certainly seem to be competent > musicians. I like the drums + bass + keyboards + two lead guitarists line- > up - that's always struck me as the optimal configuration for a rock band. > And the 2 guitar players have different enough sounds and styles (clean > Strat with delay, plus a fuzzy humbucker superstrat?) that there's a > textural depth happening as a result. > > But hey, I wouldn't even knock a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. In > fact, I'd like to be in one... IMHO the worst space rock is better than the > most technically accomplished Top 40 drivel. > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:54:52 +0100, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > > >Oh, hell's teeth, here we go again... > > > >Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. > > > >Discuss. > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 18 07:55:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:55:00 EDT Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth - DO NOT PANIC Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:36:52 AEDT, M Holmes writes: > This has already been debunked. The half-assed investigators told them > about Sirius B. See the urban legends site for i suppose then that could add a whole new dimension to my second alien dream cd (Dogon Dance) if you think about it LmAo!!! From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Sep 18 08:40:35 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:40:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: A Long Day's Night DVD track listing Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > Didn't Mark Farner become some kind of Jesus Freak musician? > Guess he put that on hold when he realized he could rake in the > bucks playing the summer sheds as a nostalgia act. Guess god'll > have to wait her turn a few more years... > > Wonder what kind of groupies show up at a Christian rock concert? > Maybe that's what changed Mark's mind? Mark is not in the current Grand Funk band. They've got a new singer and a new guitar player. I saw them last summer at an outdoor show for ten thousand people, and they kicked ass. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 18 11:25:35 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:25:35 +0100 Subject: Hassan Bin Laden Message-ID: http://www.reason.com/hod/cpf091202.shtml From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Sep 18 14:30:26 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:30:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: >On the other hand Nik's Space Ritual seem to have got it together. >I guess they've finally had enough gigs to serve as rehearsals... >And look, product! Now, we know Hawkwind can rehearse because there's >often a good portion of the band handy on IRC, though never all of it >at once whatever it currently is. But we see no signs of new releases >at *all*. Court cases all silent. > I mean, I know Hawkwind is the better band, you don't have to tell >me this, but there was a time when they were the more professional >too. That's what bothers me. Heh, after listening to/looking at the new Space Ritual.Net CD it is unlikely that the word 'professional' is going to spring into anyone's mind! But speaking of professional product, the 4 new HW card-cover reissues just came in, and maybe it was just my low expectations and the resulting surprise, but these are really really NICE. Forgetting for a moment the material on the discs themselves, somebody at Cleopatra/Purple Pyramid has actually busted their hump and produced some very nice packaging. Make that VERY nice packaging. Add to that the fact that I paid only USD$9 for all expect SpaceRitual 2 which was $14 (and worth the price, believe it or not [though it looks like this week the price has gone up by at least $1]) and this is all quite astonishing. I'll post a fuller review next week, I want to do a sound-check first and see if there are any more surprises lurking in the grooves on disc. Stephan P.S. At the risk of being pegged as the purveyor of porn to the Hawkwind newsgroups, I have posted to http://www.pipeline.com/~stemfors/AdultsOnly/ scans of the soundtrack CD that Acid Mothers Temple and the Melting Paraiso U.F.O. (Underground Freak-Out) recorded for "Wild Gals A-Go-Go", the unreleased chef d'ouevre of mythical mondo film-maker Ivan Piskov, the Russian Russ Meyer. Oh you crazy Father Moo, you. Enjoy! From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 18 15:16:17 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:16:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: New 'moon' found around Earth - DO NOT PANIC Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:36:22 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Michael W Blackman writes: > >> > > Are they at all related to the Dogons? Tribe of African(?) >> > > peoples who were only disovered in the turn of this century >> > > who possessed star maps (simple drawings) of the Cirius >> > > star cluster, in very accurate detail, which we only discovered >> > > thru high powered telescoped many decades later? >> > >> > Sadly this is not quite the true situation. These rather astute >> > African people were already well aware that strangers were asking >> > about astronomical observations and star clusters and the like so when >> > questioned they were more than happy to "discover" an appropriate star >> > map for such credulous Westerners. This explanation didn't surface >> > though until after the TV documentary was made! > >This has already been debunked. The half-assed investigators told them >about Sirius B. See the urban legends site for details. There's also a good article about it in the Skeptical Inquirer (from 1978): http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html (which really just adds more detail to Jill's explanation) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Sep 18 16:14:05 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:14:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Record Sale Message-ID: FYI, a local record store is having a website-only 15% off sale. I took a quick look and found some Amon Duul II, Gong and Daevid Allen. No Hawkwind though. They have an excellent reputation around here and I've always had good dealings with them--although I've never bought anything from them on-line. http://www.bopshop.com/ Brian NP> Danu "All Things Considered" From sebastian at WELTON.DE Wed Sep 18 18:23:12 2002 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:23:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Sex Pistols Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:59:00 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: >Don't think anyone's posted on this yet. >Just got back from seeing the Sex Pistols in London. They opened the gig >with Silver Machine! To say I was surprised is a *slight* >understatement :) A question mark appeared above everyones heads as >they thought en-masse, "Am I really hearing that????!". Classic. >Still, Lydon has expressed his like of HW in the past, so maybe Jonesy and >the rest of the boys are fans too :) > >Dave >From Yahoo (concert was September 14th): Beer-drenched Sex Pistols rock L.A. By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In true punk spirit, rowdy music fans have pelted the Sex Pistols with beer as the one-time scourge of the British establishment played its first U.S. concert in six years outside Los Angeles. The hailstorm may have been meant as an homage to the band's own anti- establishment roots, but drenched singer John Lydon was having none of it, labeling one thrower a "turd" and a "wuss," to the delight of the 50,000- strong crowd. The Sex Pistols, who briefly ruled the music world in the late 1970s with such incendiary anthems as "God Save The Queen" and "Anarchy in the UK," reunited on Saturday to headline a punk rock festival at the Glen Helen Pavilion in Devore, 55 miles (90 km) east of Los Angeles. In July, the quartet dusted off their instruments for the first time since November 1996 to play a London show marking their 25th anniversary. Guitarist Steve Jones told Reuters before Saturday's show there were no plans for the group to perform again although he was eager for more action. The band originally broke up during a calamitous American tour in 1978. It reunited in 1996 -- with original bass player Glen Matlock subbing for his replacement, the late Sid Vicious -- for a five-month world tour. Saturday's show saw the Sex Pistols top a bill that included other British punk veterans such as the Damned and the Buzzcocks as well as young U.S. upstarts such as Blink 182 and Unwritten Law. During the band's one-hour set, the irascible Lydon, 46, also managed to squeeze in pointed comments about the festival's sponsors, Levi Strauss; a local radio station; MTV; a long-haired fan; the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame; and even his own drummer, Paul Cook, 46, for getting the beat wrong during the tasteless Holocaust satire "Belsen Was A Gas". The band played most of the tracks from its one studio album, the 1977 opus "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols," and ended with a cover version of "Silver Machine," a 30-year-old hit from British psychedelic rock band Hawkwind. Matlock, 45, said the Sex Pistols would be "daft" not to capitalise on their momentum and play more shows. Additionally, he said it would take only a week to make an album. "It's just finding the right week." Even though the band members are hardly friends, Matlock said the musical chemistry was unmistakable. "It's like an old comfortable shoe -- with a nail coming through it," he said. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 18 18:42:37 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:42:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Sex Pistols Message-ID: HA! HA!, Reminds me of xHawkwind if they go on tour. This time the fans would get cheated. Not Johnny. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastian Welton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: Sex Pistols > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:59:00 +0100, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > >Don't think anyone's posted on this yet. > >Just got back from seeing the Sex Pistols in London. They opened the gig > >with Silver Machine! To say I was surprised is a *slight* > >understatement :) A question mark appeared above everyones heads as > >they thought en-masse, "Am I really hearing that????!". Classic. > >Still, Lydon has expressed his like of HW in the past, so maybe Jonesy and > >the rest of the boys are fans too :) > > > >Dave > > From Yahoo (concert was September 14th): > > Beer-drenched Sex Pistols rock L.A. > By Dean Goodman > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In true punk spirit, rowdy music fans have pelted > the Sex Pistols with beer as the one-time scourge of the British > establishment played its first U.S. concert in six years outside Los > Angeles. > > > The hailstorm may have been meant as an homage to the band's own anti- > establishment roots, but drenched singer John Lydon was having none of it, > labeling one thrower a "turd" and a "wuss," to the delight of the 50,000- > strong crowd. > > > The Sex Pistols, who briefly ruled the music world in the late 1970s with > such incendiary anthems as "God Save The Queen" and "Anarchy in the UK," > reunited on Saturday to headline a punk rock festival at the Glen Helen > Pavilion in Devore, 55 miles (90 km) east of Los Angeles. > > > In July, the quartet dusted off their instruments for the first time since > November 1996 to play a London show marking their 25th anniversary. > Guitarist Steve Jones told Reuters before Saturday's show there were no > plans for the group to perform again although he was eager for more action. > > > The band originally broke up during a calamitous American tour in 1978. It > reunited in 1996 -- with original bass player Glen Matlock subbing for his > replacement, the late Sid Vicious -- for a five-month world tour. > > > Saturday's show saw the Sex Pistols top a bill that included other British > punk veterans such as the Damned and the Buzzcocks as well as young U.S. > upstarts such as Blink 182 and Unwritten Law. > > > During the band's one-hour set, the irascible Lydon, 46, also managed to > squeeze in pointed comments about the festival's sponsors, Levi Strauss; a > local radio station; MTV; a long-haired fan; the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of > Fame; and even his own drummer, Paul Cook, 46, for getting the beat wrong > during the tasteless Holocaust satire "Belsen Was A Gas". > > > The band played most of the tracks from its one studio album, the 1977 > opus "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols," and ended with a > cover version of "Silver Machine," a 30-year-old hit from British > psychedelic rock band Hawkwind. > > > Matlock, 45, said the Sex Pistols would be "daft" not to capitalise on > their momentum and play more shows. Additionally, he said it would take > only a week to make an album. "It's just finding the right week." > > > Even though the band members are hardly friends, Matlock said the musical > chemistry was unmistakable. > > > "It's like an old comfortable shoe -- with a nail coming through it," he > said. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 18 18:49:55 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:49:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Sex Pistols In-Reply-To: <000701c25f64$b118b530$8eb53318@stepheandamy>; from lindas1@ADELPHIA.NET on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0400, stephe lindas wrote: > > [Sex Pistols gig near LA] > > HA! HA!, Reminds me of xHawkwind if they go on tour. This time the fans > would get cheated. Not Johnny. Cheers STEPHE Not least because they'd be the ones to play Silver Machine :-) Dave hasn't touched it in years, has he? (He should play it acoustic with his buddy from South America ... now that'd be cool!) Last time I saw Motorhead (three years or so ago? in Toronto) they used it as the recorded post-gig exit music. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The acronym for "the powers that be" differs by only one letter from that for "the pointy-haired boss". From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 01:11:31 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:11:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Dates Announced / Mission Control Website Message-ID: I can find the following. XMAS PARTY GIG ANNOUNCED: WALTHAMSTOW, LONDON E17 - Friday 13th DECEMBER 8.00pm - Support T.B.A. Advance tickets ?14.00 / ?16.00 On Door - Tel: 020-8521-7111 I assume that's what's meant by "dates". Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: HW: Dates Announced > Where? I can't find anything about it at the link below. > > > Horse > > On 17 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rik Rx wrote: > > > ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Sep 19 02:28:55 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:28:55 +0800 Subject: HW: Dates Announced / Mission Control Website Message-ID: There's a new date for the War of the Worlds show as well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: Dates Announced / Mission Control Website > I can find the following. > > XMAS PARTY GIG ANNOUNCED: > WALTHAMSTOW, LONDON E17 - Friday 13th DECEMBER 8.00pm - Support T.B.A. > > Advance tickets ?14.00 / ?16.00 On Door - Tel: 020-8521-7111 > > I assume that's what's meant by "dates". > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horse" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Dates Announced > > > > Where? I can't find anything about it at the link below. > > > > > > Horse > > > > On 17 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rik Rx wrote: > > > > > ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > From anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 19 04:19:45 2002 From: anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM (Simon litmus) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:19:45 -0400 Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: >Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. Hi, Anyone who hasn't heard it should listen to 'Definitive Unsolved Mysteries...' I can hear influences- HW, Ozrics, Floyd, Hillage....but it's original. There are good songs and great atmospheric pieces -and Hardy is (officially) one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Cheers, Simon From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 18 19:34:20 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:34:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Sex Pistols Message-ID: They'd probably do it better too!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: Re: HW: Sex Pistols > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0400, stephe lindas wrote: > > > [Sex Pistols gig near LA] > > > > HA! HA!, Reminds me of xHawkwind if they go on tour. This time the fans > > would get cheated. Not Johnny. Cheers STEPHE > > Not least because they'd be the ones to play Silver Machine :-) > Dave hasn't touched it in years, has he? > > (He should play it acoustic with his buddy from South America ... > now that'd be cool!) > > Last time I saw Motorhead (three years or so ago? in Toronto) > they used it as the recorded post-gig exit music. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > The acronym for "the powers that be" differs by only one letter > from that for "the pointy-haired boss". From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 10:32:28 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:32:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: In Kerrang there`s an advert for the Mortorhead/Anthrax show at Wembley. It lists HW as support. It`s maybe just me but: 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the heavy metal kids 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing to do with the Anti-Dave spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side after all? Seems strange that after all this time he picks now to offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t really fit at all. Si The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 19 10:52:15 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:52:15 EDT Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: In a message dated 9/19/2002 10:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK writes: > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! > 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the heavy > metal kids > 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing to do with the > Anti-Dave > spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side after all? Seems strange that > after > all this time he picks now to offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t > really fit at all. > > #3: i think you're giving Lem too much credit for what probably boils down to a business decision, and one most likely one not made by him. i absolutely agree with #2 #1: 'Silly' or not, i think a band of working musicians, hoping perpetually to get some exposure and make a few bucks, would disagree (again: a business decision at its core). bobm From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Sep 19 10:48:30 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:48:30 -0500 Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Well put Simon! No cover band here. I had to pipe in because I too have seen the band a couple times and agree that Hardy and the band are super, super nice blokes. In fact, your email prompted me to put 'Definitive Unsolved Mysteries...' in the CD player right now. I dare anyone to listen to the tune "Nebula" and not be profoundly moved. Listen to mp3s of their tunes here: http://www.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi/mrquimbysbeard.htm So there. Karen Subject: Re: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:19:45 -0400 From: Simon litmus >Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. Hi, Anyone who hasn't heard it should listen to 'Definitive Unsolved Mysteries...' I can hear influences- HW, Ozrics, Floyd, Hillage....but it's original. There are good songs and great atmospheric pieces -and Hardy is (officially) one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Cheers, Simon From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Sep 19 10:55:50 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:55:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: The Wembley box office advert says Motorhead, Anthrax and special guests? -----Original Message----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 19/09/02 15:52 Subject: Re: HW: Wembley In a message dated 9/19/2002 10:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK writes: > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! > 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the heavy > metal kids > 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing to do with the > Anti-Dave > spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side after all? Seems strange that > after > all this time he picks now to offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t > really fit at all. > > #3: i think you're giving Lem too much credit for what probably boils down to a business decision, and one most likely one not made by him. i absolutely agree with #2 #1: 'Silly' or not, i think a band of working musicians, hoping perpetually to get some exposure and make a few bucks, would disagree (again: a business decision at its core). bobm From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 11:10:02 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:10:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: > > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! > > 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the heavy > > metal kids > > 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing to do with the > > Anti-Dave > > spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side after all? Seems strange that > > after > > all this time he picks now to offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t > > really fit at all. > > > > > > #3: i think you're giving Lem too much credit for what probably boils down to > a business decision, and one most likely one not made by him. Probably. But it seems an odd choice for a promotor to choose, given the other bands on the bill. There are thousands of bands more obvious a choice. Let`s be honest, apart from the Lemmy connection, there`s not a lot the bands share in common. > i absolutely agree with #2 > > #1: 'Silly' or not, i think a band of working musicians, hoping perpetually > to get some exposure and make a few bucks, would disagree (again: a business > decision at its core). Oh of course. If the band were offered it, I`m sure it`s a good business decision to do it, no question. They get a set fee and if they get their music out to even a few new fans who are interested through the Lemmy connection, it can only be for the good. Si From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 19 11:10:18 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:10:18 EDT Subject: HW: Wembley In-Reply-To: <00a701c25fe9$676e3650$4bca30d5@kermitz> Message-ID: On 19 Sep 2002, at 15:32, Si Halley wrote: > In Kerrang there`s an advert for the Mortorhead/Anthrax show at > Wembley. It lists HW as support. > > It`s maybe just me but: > > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! > 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the > heavy metal kids 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing > to do with the Anti-Dave spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side > after all? Seems strange that after all this time he picks now to > offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t really fit at all. Given that you Brits destroy stadia and kill people because somebody doesn't like your football team, I'd think there will be a helluva riot if M?t?rhead don't close the show... Hey, is this the New Wembley, or is that still being built? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 19 11:15:27 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:15:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Wembley In-Reply-To: <1b8.644b217.2abb3e9f@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 10:52:15AM -0400, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => In a message dated 9/19/2002 10:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, => si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK writes: => => > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! [...] => #1: 'Silly' or not, i think a band of working musicians, hoping perpetually => to get some exposure and make a few bucks, would disagree (again: a business => decision at its core). Maybe Hawkwind could do the entire IITBOTFTBD album from start to finish? (If they're pressed for time, they could drop "Letting In The Past," "The Camera That Could Lie," and "Gimme Shelter.") That would go over great guns with the Anthrax fans, especially those waiting patiently for their diet of "crunchy riffs." >;-) (I'm guessing Hawkwind will have to stick to an all-BLANGA setlist, or things could get ugly...:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 19 11:17:46 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:17:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Don't Fear The Bloody Reaper In-Reply-To: <028701c25dcb$16145250$139427d9@bernard> Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > OK - quick show of hands here. How many people have told folks in the pub > that BOC is their favourite band ever, only to hear the response "Didn't > they do 'Don't Fear The Reaper' - I've never heard anything else..."? Some people I've talked to didn't even know DFtR, let alone BOC. And this after the Apollo 440 version was on the radio and Metallica had covered Astronomy. Granted, they were mostly into women singer/songwriters, but still, they should have at least heard of "the amazing Blue Oyster Cult." Brian From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 16:02:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:02:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: > > Maybe Hawkwind could do the entire IITBOTFTBD album from start to > finish? (If they're pressed for time, they could drop "Letting In The > Past," "The Camera That Could Lie," and "Gimme Shelter.") That would > go over great guns with the Anthrax fans, especially those waiting > patiently for their diet of "crunchy riffs." >;-) Talking of Anthrax, my mate Steve (singer with BPNF) has done me a very attractively packaged double CD set of dodgy 80's thrash/death metal. Entitled "Look how scary we are!" it contains "Thrash & Death from when we were young and thought this stuff was the mutt's fucking nuts" (according to the sleeve - and very nice it is too, packaged in a double DVD cover...) Tracklisting as follows... Obituary - Slowly We Rot Mercyful Fate - A Corpse Without A Soul Celtic Frost - Into The rypts Of Rays Megadeth - My Last Words Morbid Angel - Suffocation Slayer - Aggressive Perfector Anthrax - A.I.R. Death - Baptized In Blood Venom - Welcome To Hell Exodus - A Lesson In Violence Possessed - Seven Churches Death Angel - Kill As One Voivod - Fuck Off And Die (Which I assume is a cover of the Venom classic) Kreator - Flag Of Hate Destruction - Curse The Gods Carcass - Regurgitation Of Giblets Metallica - Whiplash Bathory - Blood Fire Death Disc 2 Helloween - Walls Of Jericho / Ride The Sky Nuclear Assault - Hand The Pope Voivod - Korgull The Exterminator Dark Angel - Darkness Descends Deicide - Deicide Possessed - Death Metal Exodus - Bonded By Blood Kreator - Pleasure To Kill Mercyful Fate - Curse Of The Pharaohs Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales Death - Scream Bloody Gore Metal Church - Metal Church Sodom - Agent Orange Megadeth - Peace Sells (But Who's Buying) Slayer - Evil Has No Boundaries Bathory - Dies Irae Flotsam & Jetsam - Doomsday For The Deceiver I've just started playing it, and I'm very scared indeed... :-) I was most disappointed that he couldn't lay his hands on anything from Impaler's wonderful "If We Had Brains We'd Be Dangerous", and I feel that the omission of Atomkraft is a major flaw... This CD set follows on from his six-CD set compilation of classic NWOBHM, entitled "Metal For Grandmuthas". (I take full responsibility for the title...) Ah, youth eh? :-) Cheers, Rich. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 19 16:12:07 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:12:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Wembley In-Reply-To: <052c01c26017$80abc410$139427d9@bernard> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:02:37PM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: => Talking of Anthrax, my mate Steve (singer with BPNF) has done me a very => attractively packaged double CD set of dodgy 80's thrash/death metal. => Entitled "Look how scary we are!" it contains "Thrash & Death from when we => were young and thought this stuff was the mutt's fucking nuts" (according to => the sleeve - and very nice it is too, packaged in a double DVD cover...) => => Tracklisting as follows... [...] => Celtic Frost - Into The rypts Of Rays For some reason there is a BOC bootleg called _Into the Crypts of Rays_, if memory serves. => Nuclear Assault - Hand The Pope This is actually "Hang the Pope." You can say the title in about as long as it takes the song to finish. :-) => I've just started playing it, and I'm very scared indeed... :-) The REALLY scary thing for me is realising I have just about everything on that compilation on vinyl lying about somewhere. =:-\ I'm serious. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 16:20:09 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:20:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: > > => Nuclear Assault - Hand The Pope > > This is actually "Hang the Pope." You can say the title in about > as long as it takes the song to finish. :-) > Whoops - yes, of course it is. Dreadful typing on my part... Sorry! Cheers, Rich. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Sep 19 16:32:39 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:32:39 +0000 Subject: HW OEBs acoustic show, Friday, September 27th Message-ID: Hello friends. The OEBs will perform a FREE full length acoustic show on Friday, September 27th on the Tec Center Campus of Burlington County College. The show is being sponsored by The International Club at the school, and has been deemed 'The International Cafe' The evening begins at 7:00 PM, however we will probably not begin playing till about 7:30. If you want know the exact time we are going on you can contact Adrienne Alvarez at: aalvarez at bcc.edu The gig is a small one, as the 'venue' is actually a cafeteria, however it's pleasant enough. The lineup at this time is just going to be Jay Adcock & myself, however I am inviting some other players, but their availibility is not assured. We are going to use this gig as an opportunity to pull out some new material and test it out. Some of these will include tunes by Big Joe Thomas, Chuck Berry, traditionals made famous by Lonnie Donegan, The Vipers, Chas Mcdevitt, etc. I'm sort of pressed for time so I may not be able to cover all the newer stuff I am working on, however I am hoping to do a version of 'Screaming Lord Sutch's 'London Rocker', and if I'm lucky 'Bring it with you when you come', modeled after the Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers version from 1930. We will of course throw in a Hawkwind number or two, as well as several original tunes. If you're not doing anything, think about popping by to check out the show. As I said admission is FREE. The Tec Center is on County Route 38 in Mt. Laurel New Jersey. For exact directions, contact the college at (609) 894-9311 or look online at www.bcc.edu Hope to see some of you there...Peace, Mike PS: Jim Klinger, Steve Miller, Bob Beach, Adam Klein, & Constance Cook, you are all invited to participate if you wish. In addition you can do some of your own material. I have a 45 minute slot and you might be able to keep playing as The PJB and LBH. There's no money in the gig though, so traveling a long distance might not be worth it, as this is not being publicized outside of the college community by anyone other than myself, nonetheless, it's a chance to play live and for us to try out some of the material we'll cover on 10/9 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Sep 19 17:11:42 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:11:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind & Motorhead Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS + + HAWKWIND are pleased to announce that we are to be the special guests of Lemmy's MOTORHEAD at Wembley on 19th October. . . Ticket details to follow. . . . . . . . ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 19 17:11:22 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:11:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: touring bands Message-ID: Not quite entirely off topic but.... Two flyers received in the post - one says that "The Pretty Things" are touring with special guest ARTHUR BROWN. Is it *the* Arthur Brown does anyone know? They are playing Edinburgh on 6th October which might be worth a visit if he is going to be there. The other flyer says that the "21st Century Schizoid Band" is touring. This appears to be quite a large chunk of X-King Crimson (pardon me) and in theory should be a good show. They are in Cambridge tomorrow, Newcastle on Saturday and Edinburgh on Sunday. If anyone has a chance to hear them could they post a quick review? Ta jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Sep 19 20:54:35 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:54:35 -0400 Subject: touring bands In-Reply-To: <00a301c26021$1bd498a0$487087d9@jds> Message-ID: Jill Just spoke to a friend that is a big KC fan. He says that "Yep, there's some good reviews at elephant talk. from what I've heard it's a good time. Pete and Michael Giles, Mel Collins and Ian McDonald, and jacko jacswyz (sp?) from level 42. Lots of stuff from the first 4 albums from crimson, as well as some new material!!!" So I would say go for it!! _____________________________________________ There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have. -- Don Herold ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Jill Strobridge ::Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:11 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: OFF: touring bands :: :: ::Not quite entirely off topic but.... :: ::Two flyers received in the post - one says that "The Pretty Things" are ::touring with special guest ARTHUR BROWN. Is it *the* Arthur Brown ::does anyone know? They are playing Edinburgh on 6th October which ::might be worth a visit if he is going to be there. :: ::The other flyer says that the "21st Century Schizoid Band" is touring. ::This appears to be quite a large chunk of X-King Crimson (pardon me) and ::in theory should be a good show. They are in Cambridge tomorrow, ::Newcastle on Saturday and Edinburgh on Sunday. If anyone has a chance ::to hear them could they post a quick review? :: ::Ta ::jill ::----------------------------------------------------------------- ::Jill Strobridge ::----------------------------------------------------------------- From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Sep 19 20:55:51 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:55:51 -0400 Subject: touring bands In-Reply-To: <00a301c26021$1bd498a0$487087d9@jds> Message-ID: More Subject: GIG REVIEW: 21st Century Schizoid Band @ The Stables, Wavendon - 15/09/02 The opening night of the Schizoid Band tour saw the group play to a near full house at The Stables. The band consists of :- Michael Giles - Drums / Vocals Ian McDonald - Keyboard / Saxophone / Flute / Piano / Vocals Peter Giles - Bass Guitar / Vocals Mel Collins - Saxophone / Flute / Keyboard / Vocals Jakko Jaksyzk - Lead Guitar / Flute / Lead Vocals The set was :- Pictures Of A City Cat Food Let There Be Light Progress In The Court Of The Crimson King Formentera Lady Tomorrows People If I Was Ladies Of The Road I Talk To The Wind Pictures Of A City Cat Food Let There Be Light Progress In The Court Of The Crimson King Formentera Lady Tomorrows People If I Was Ladies Of The Road I Talk To The Wind Epitaph Encore Birdman - The Reflection 21st Century Schizoid Man The band mainly played songs from the first 4 King Crimson albums, but also played 2 songs from Ian McDonald's solo album 'Drivers Eyes', 2 songs from the recently re-released 'McDonald and Giles' album, and one song from the forthcoming Michael Giles album ' Progress'. They performed excellent versions of the Crimson material, with Peter and Michael laying down a solid foundation, while Ian and Mel filled the sound with constant interchanging between sax, flute and keyboard. Jakko's vocals were strong without trying to replicate the original sounds of Greg Lake and Boz. His guitar playing was excellent throughout and certainly stood comparison with the original lines of Robert Fripp. In short, it's an excellent show and they performed fantastic versions of POAC, ITCOTCK, ITTTW Epitaph and 21st Century Schizoid Man, though my personal highlight was a sensational Formentera Lady. _____________________________________________ There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have. -- Don Herold ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Jill Strobridge ::Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:11 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: OFF: touring bands :: :: ::Not quite entirely off topic but.... :: ::Two flyers received in the post - one says that "The Pretty Things" are ::touring with special guest ARTHUR BROWN. Is it *the* Arthur Brown ::does anyone know? They are playing Edinburgh on 6th October which ::might be worth a visit if he is going to be there. :: ::The other flyer says that the "21st Century Schizoid Band" is touring. ::This appears to be quite a large chunk of X-King Crimson (pardon me) and ::in theory should be a good show. They are in Cambridge tomorrow, ::Newcastle on Saturday and Edinburgh on Sunday. If anyone has a chance ::to hear them could they post a quick review? :: ::Ta ::jill ::----------------------------------------------------------------- ::Jill Strobridge ::----------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Sep 19 22:28:53 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:28:53 EDT Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: In a message dated 9/19/02 1:03:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > Talking of Anthrax, my mate Steve (singer with BPNF) has done me a very > attractively packaged double CD set of dodgy 80's thrash/death metal. > Entitled "Look how scary we are!" it contains "Thrash & Death from when we > were young and thought this stuff was the mutt's fucking nuts" (according to > the sleeve - and very nice it is too, packaged in a double DVD cover...) > > Tracklisting as follows... > > Obituary - Slowly We Rot > Mercyful Fate - A Corpse Without A Soul > Celtic Frost - Into The rypts Of Rays > Megadeth - My Last Words > Morbid Angel - Suffocation > Slayer - Aggressive Perfector > Anthrax - A.I.R. > Death - Baptized In Blood > Venom - Welcome To Hell > Exodus - A Lesson In Violence > Possessed - Seven Churches > Death Angel - Kill As One > Voivod - Fuck Off And Die (Which I assume is a cover of the Venom classic) > Kreator - Flag Of Hate > Destruction - Curse The Gods > Carcass - Regurgitation Of Giblets > Metallica - Whiplash > Bathory - Blood Fire Death > > Disc 2 > > Helloween - Walls Of Jericho / Ride The Sky > Nuclear Assault - Hand The Pope > Voivod - Korgull The Exterminator > Dark Angel - Darkness Descends > Deicide - Deicide > Possessed - Death Metal > Exodus - Bonded By Blood > Kreator - Pleasure To Kill > Mercyful Fate - Curse Of The Pharaohs > Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales > Death - Scream Bloody Gore > Metal Church - Metal Church > Sodom - Agent Orange > Megadeth - Peace Sells (But Who's Buying) > Slayer - Evil Has No Boundaries > Bathory - Dies Irae > Flotsam & Jetsam - Doomsday For The Deceiver > > > I've just started playing it, and I'm very scared indeed... :-) > > I was most disappointed that he couldn't lay his hands on anything from > Impaler's wonderful "If We Had Brains We'd Be Dangerous", and I feel that > the omission of Atomkraft is a major flaw... > > This CD set follows on from his six-CD set compilation of classic NWOBHM, > entitled "Metal For Grandmuthas". (I take full responsibility for the > title...) > > Ah, youth eh? :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > Hey, I object to the adjective "dodgy". :) As far as '80s death-thrash goes, this is a great collection. Youth? Well, I'm 29 and still dig it... There must be something more than pretentions of evil and shock to engender someone's interest w/time past... Metal Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 01:06:17 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:06:17 EDT Subject: HW: Wembley/Venom-Voivod Message-ID: In a message dated 9/19/2002 4:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > Voivod - Fuck Off And Die (Which I assume is a cover of the Venom classic) > it's not, actually. bobm From micci at SCI.FI Fri Sep 20 04:46:24 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:46:24 +0300 Subject: HW: some HW 7" etc. sell Message-ID: Watch FinnWind pages: Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Sep 20 06:43:04 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:43:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: touring bands Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:11:22 +0100 Jill Strobridge wrote: >Two flyers received in the post - one says that "The Pretty Things" >are touring with special guest ARTHUR BROWN. Is it *the* Arthur >Brown does anyone know? They are playing Edinburgh on 6th October >which might be worth a visit if he is going to be there. Should be worthwhile: AFAIK it is THE Arthur Brown, who is providing narration for a live performance of "SF Sorrow" (as any fule kno, the 1st "Rock Opera" and allegedly part of Townshend's inspiration for "Tommy") Me, I'm kicking myself for missing C21 Schizoids @ The Stables (jinxed again!) ChrisW ObCDs: Grateful Dead - The Golden Road From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 20 07:26:11 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:26:11 EDT Subject: touring bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Sep 2002, at 20:55, Mike Montfort wrote: > also played 2 songs from Ian McDonald's solo album 'Drivers Eyes', 2 > songs from the recently re-released 'McDonald and Giles' album, I always wondered about these guys' post-KC stuff. How are these two discs? > Jakko's vocals were strong without trying to replicate the original > sounds of Greg Lake and Boz. His guitar playing was excellent > throughout and certainly stood comparison with the original lines of > Robert Fripp. > Wow! Pretty strong statement. I've never heard of Jakko. Can you reccomend some of his recorded work? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 20 07:46:58 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:46:58 EDT Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: New Dates: 19 - Utica, NY - RnR Preserve Brian, are you up for this one? Next Tuesday the new Live CD is released. "A Long Day's Night" will include these tracks: Burning For You Dance On Stilts Harvester Of Eyes Buck's Boogie Flaming Telepaths Harvest Moon Godzilla Don't Fear The Reaper Dominance & Submission Red & The Black Astronomy Hmmm...Well, some good and some not so good. Thankfully, we'll finally get a legit live version of Flaming Telepaths--that should be worth the price of the disc in itself. Unfortunately, they insisted on a single disc, which I think is a mistake. Notice the omission of TCtLDoM? I think it'll be on the DVD, though. Still no live version of Stairway. Harvest Moon and Buck's Boogie will be welcome, and of course Astronomy. Guess the glass is always half full when it comes to B?C live releases... theo ------- End of forwarded message ------- From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Sep 20 08:09:27 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:09:27 -0400 Subject: touring bands In-Reply-To: <3D8ACD92.2471.EF5B6@localhost> Message-ID: Ted That wasn't my review. I just passed it along for Jill's interest. Mike ________________________ The truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Ted Jackson ::Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:26 AM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: touring bands :: :: ::On 19 Sep 2002, at 20:55, Mike Montfort wrote: :: ::> also played 2 songs from Ian McDonald's solo album 'Drivers Eyes', 2 ::> songs from the recently re-released 'McDonald and Giles' album, :: ::I always wondered about these guys' post-KC stuff. How are these ::two discs? :: :: ::> Jakko's vocals were strong without trying to replicate the original ::> sounds of Greg Lake and Boz. His guitar playing was excellent ::> throughout and certainly stood comparison with the original lines of ::> Robert Fripp. ::> ::Wow! Pretty strong statement. I've never heard of Jakko. Can you ::reccomend some of his recorded work? :: ::theo From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Sep 20 09:09:38 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:09:38 -0400 Subject: touring bands Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > On 19 Sep 2002, at 20:55, Mike Montfort wrote: > > > also played 2 songs from Ian McDonald's solo album 'Drivers Eyes', 2 > > songs from the recently re-released 'McDonald and Giles' album, > > I always wondered about these guys' post-KC stuff. How are these > two discs? I love the _McDonald & Giles_ album, especially the ending of "Birdman Suite". I once used that ending as a music bed for a jewelry commercial for a radio production class and apologized to my instructor for going a bit over the time limit. He said, "With music that gorgeous, no one's going to complain about you going over the time limit." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 20 09:09:27 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:09:27 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message In-Reply-To: <3D8AD271.23695.21FF4C@localhost> Message-ID: > 19 - Utica, NY - RnR Preserve > > Brian, are you up for this one? Yeah! I had a great time at the last BOC gig they played there. FYI for NYC listers: The Bevis Frond is playing The Knitting Factory with The Lucky Bishops and The Alchemysts on October 10th as a warm up for Terrastock V. If any of you go and happen to see a short, red haired guy in his mid 20s come over and say hi. > Next Tuesday the new Live CD is released. "A Long Day's Night" will > include these tracks: Burning For You Dance On Stilts Harvester Of > Eyes Buck's Boogie Flaming Telepaths Harvest Moon Godzilla > Don't Fear > The Reaper Dominance & Submission Red & The Black Astronomy Sounds cool. Now we can burn a comp CD composed entirely of official live versions of the Big 3. (I love that there's a place for sarcasm and cynicism in BOC fandom. Thank you BOC-L!) > Thankfully, we'll > finally get a legit live version of Flaming Telepaths--that should be > worth the price of the disc in itself. Absolutely. I'm having a vision...Halloween...strobe lights...Flaming Telepaths on the stereo. Ooh, nice. > Notice the omission of > TCtLDoM? I think it'll be on the DVD, though. For you DVD experts out there, is it possible to save a DVD track as a sound-only MP3? > Still no live version of > Stairway. There's always Live '76, though yeah I know what you mean. > Harvest Moon and Buck's Boogie will be welcome, and of > course Astronomy. I agree with Harvest Moon. I'm getting a little tired of Buck's Boogie though, and would be shocked if this version of Astronomy is better than the one on SEE. Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 20 09:28:39 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:28:39 EDT Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Sep 2002, at 9:09, Brian Halligan wrote: > > 19 - Utica, NY - RnR Preserve > > > > Brian, are you up for this one? > > Yeah! I had a great time at the last BOC gig they played there. > Dec. '96, right? I was there. Can't wait! > > Next Tuesday the new Live CD is released. "A Long Day's Night" will > > include these tracks: Burning For You Dance On Stilts Harvester Of > > Eyes Buck's Boogie Flaming Telepaths Harvest Moon Godzilla Don't > > Fear The Reaper Dominance & Submission Red & The Black Astronomy > > Sounds cool. Now we can burn a comp CD composed entirely of official > live versions of the Big 3. > > (I love that there's a place for sarcasm and cynicism in BOC fandom. > Thank you BOC-L!) > Hey, we B?C fan's have had our hearts broken more times than a Soap diva. We kid because we care! > > Still no live version of > > Stairway. > > There's always Live '76, though yeah I know what you mean. > Yeah, but I was hoping for a better sounding one. But we can record off the DVD, I guess... > > Harvest Moon and Buck's Boogie will be welcome, and of > > course Astronomy. > > I agree with Harvest Moon. I'm getting a little tired of Buck's Boogie > though, As far as a concert tune, I agree. But it will be good having a great recorded version finally... and would be shocked if this version of Astronomy is better > than the one on SEE. > That will be hard to beat, for sure... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 20 10:19:45 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:19:45 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message In-Reply-To: <3D8AEA46.21695.7F19FF@localhost> Message-ID: >> Yeah! I had a great time at the last BOC gig they played there. >> > Dec. '96, right? Yep. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/1228rev.html Remember when the new album was called "Ezekiel's Wheel," and it was coming out in March '97? :-) > Hey, we B?C fan's have had our hearts broken more times than a > Soap diva. As evidenced above. > We kid because we care. Loyalty is sometimes a two-edged black blade. Brian From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 10:32:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:32:51 EDT Subject: HW: Dates Announced / Mission Control Website Message-ID: Thats exactly what I found as well. Plenty of advance warning. coool In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:12:12 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > I can find the following. > > XMAS PARTY GIG ANNOUNCED: > WALTHAMSTOW, LONDON E17 - Friday 13th DECEMBER 8.00pm - Support T.B.A. > > Advance tickets ?14.00 / ?16.00 On Door - Tel: 020-8521-7111 > > I assume that's what's meant by "dates". > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horse" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Dates Announced > > > > Where? I can't find anything about it at the link below. > > > > > > Horse > > > > On 17 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rik Rx wrote: > > > > > ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > Please visit Mission Control for new orders. . . . . > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 10:58:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:58:56 EDT Subject: HW: Wembley Message-ID: I've also been informed of a Motorhead / Anthrax concert in Manchester in October In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:34:59 AEDT, Si Halley writes: > In Kerrang there`s an advert for the Mortorhead/Anthrax show at Wembley. It > lists HW as support. > > It`s maybe just me but: > > 1. HW should NEVER support Anthrax! It`s Silly! > 2. They`re going to get extremely mixed response at best from the heavy > metal kids > 3. Is this Lemmy attempting to prove he has nothing to do with the Anti-Dave > spam/court case and isn`t on Nick`s side after all? Seems strange that after > all this time he picks now to offer HW a support slot on a bill they don`t > really fit at all. > > Si > > The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk > SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: > http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 11:53:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:53:44 EDT Subject: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... Message-ID: Just the two or three sample mp3's have inspired me to spend some money on their cd's quite enthusistically.... even if I cant spell (enthus...etc) fer s**t In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:53:40 AEDT, Karen Kusic writes: > Well put Simon! > > No cover band here. I had to pipe in because I too have seen the band a > couple times and agree that Hardy and the band are super, super nice > blokes. > > In fact, your email prompted me to put 'Definitive Unsolved > Mysteries...' in the CD player right now. > > I dare anyone to listen to the tune "Nebula" and not be profoundly > moved. > > Listen to mp3s of their tunes here: > http://www.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi/mrquimbysbeard.htm > > So there. > > Karen > > > Subject: > Re: HW: More Mr Beardy chortles... > Date: > Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:19:45 -0400 > From: > Simon litmus > > > > >Mr Beardy's Quim are a ropey third rate Hawkwind copy band. > > Hi, > > Anyone who hasn't heard it should listen to 'Definitive Unsolved > Mysteries...' > I can hear influences- HW, Ozrics, Floyd, Hillage....but it's original. > There are good songs and great atmospheric pieces > -and Hardy is (officially) one of the nicest people you will ever meet. > > Cheers, > Simon From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 11:57:46 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:57:46 EDT Subject: Hawkwind Live 90 Message-ID: I recieved the HW Live 90 a couple of days back.. Thank you so very much Mr Andy G for once again coming thru like a champion!! I have to say - I am 100% chuffed with this little gem. It is definatly in my top TWO list for favourite live albums. The quality of the recording is superb. I love all the songs on it. I may have to buy another copy in case I wear this one out from TOO much playing. All I can say is you're mad if you dont get a copy. It really is damned good. Michael B From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 15:47:01 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:47:01 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/14 & Reminder Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. NOTE: I'm getting my e-mail at the station's PC again! So feel free to send me a note during the program at the following ---requests, etc. NOTE 2: Tomorrow, on 9/21, I'll be doing a 4-hour set from 5-9pm PST! 9/14 1.Farflung-- title-track (The Raven that Ate the Moon; Flipside) 2.Transient Waves-- "Cruise Control" (Little Darla Has a Treat for You Vol. 9; Darla) 3.Quarkspace-- "Vazt" (Drop; Eternity's Jest) 4.Escapade-- "Maelstrom Machine" (Remembrance of Things Unknown; Mother West) 5.Abunai!-- "Words" (Little Darla...Vol. 9 comp; Darla) 6.Ashra Tempel-- "Light: Look at Your Sun" (Schwingungen; Spalax/Purple Pyramid) 7.Hawkwind-- "Steppenwolf" (Thrilling Adventures Live Oct. '76; Griffin) 8.Groundhogs-- "Split Pt. 3" (Split; EMI) 9.Hovercraft-- "Endoradiosonde/Benzedrine" (Experiment Below; Mute/Blast First) 10.Sound-- excerpt from "Phantasmagoricon" (Drunk on Confusion; Tekito) 11.Faust-- "I've Got My Car and My TV/Picnic on a Frozen Rover" (So Far; Collector's Choice) 12.Henry Cow-- "Lovers of Gold" (In Praise of Learning; ESD) 13.Hawkwind-- "You'd Better Believe It" (Hall of the Mt. Grill; EMI ) 14.Klaus Schulze-- "Exil Sils Maria" (Irrlicht; Fnac/Magnum) thanks, Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 16:11:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:11:00 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/14 & Reminder Message-ID: G'day errrmm I mean Hi, Exellent set list! I would like to request some of that amazing Alien Dream in the next show. Signed Timothy Leary ;-) In a message dated Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:47:59 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. > Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims > TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: > For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing > list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. > > NOTE: I'm getting my e-mail at the station's PC again! So feel free to send > me a note during the program at the following > ---requests, etc. > > NOTE 2: Tomorrow, on 9/21, I'll be doing a 4-hour set from 5-9pm PST! > > 9/14 > > 1.Farflung-- title-track (The Raven that Ate the Moon; Flipside) > > 2.Transient Waves-- "Cruise Control" (Little Darla Has a Treat for You Vol. > 9; Darla) > 3.Quarkspace-- "Vazt" (Drop; Eternity's Jest) > 4.Escapade-- "Maelstrom Machine" (Remembrance of Things Unknown; Mother West) > 5.Abunai!-- "Words" (Little Darla...Vol. 9 comp; Darla) > 6.Ashra Tempel-- "Light: Look at Your Sun" (Schwingungen; Spalax/Purple > Pyramid) > > 7.Hawkwind-- "Steppenwolf" (Thrilling Adventures Live Oct. '76; Griffin) > 8.Groundhogs-- "Split Pt. 3" (Split; EMI) > 9.Hovercraft-- "Endoradiosonde/Benzedrine" (Experiment Below; Mute/Blast > First) > 10.Sound-- excerpt from "Phantasmagoricon" (Drunk on Confusion; Tekito) > 11.Faust-- "I've Got My Car and My TV/Picnic on a Frozen Rover" (So Far; > Collector's Choice) > 12.Henry Cow-- "Lovers of Gold" (In Praise of Learning; ESD) > > 13.Hawkwind-- "You'd Better Believe It" (Hall of the Mt. Grill; EMI request for the Meads>) > 14.Klaus Schulze-- "Exil Sils Maria" (Irrlicht; Fnac/Magnum) > > thanks, Chuck From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 20 16:07:26 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:07:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) In-Reply-To: <007201c25cf9$d9988a20$139427d9@bernard> Message-ID: In message <007201c25cf9$d9988a20$139427d9 at bernard>, Richard Lockwood writes >But where do I get a remaster of "Kings of Oblivion" Jon? > >:-( They had it, and the other PFs remasters, in Virgin on Oxford Street when I was there a couple of weeks ago. hope that helps -- Nick Medford From Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Sep 21 17:58:57 2002 From: Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK (Justin Hood) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:58:57 +0100 Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: Greetings Whilst reading the Manchester Evening News today (Friday), I noticed that in the listings section there is an ad for the Academy, this basically details forthcoming shows/bands etc... and they've got Hawkwind listed as playing there on Friday 6th December, a bit of a result me thinks !! Perhaps a December tour !! Cheers Justin From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Sep 20 20:04:05 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:04:05 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: I'm in there! :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) > In message <007201c25cf9$d9988a20$139427d9 at bernard>, Richard > Lockwood writes > >But where do I get a remaster of "Kings of Oblivion" Jon? > > > >:-( > > They had it, and the other PFs remasters, in Virgin on Oxford Street > when I was there a couple of weeks ago. > > hope that helps > -- > Nick Medford > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 20:28:26 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:28:26 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/14 & Reminder Message-ID: In a message dated 9/20/02 1:12:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > G'day errrmm I mean Hi, > Exellent set list! > I would like to request some of that amazing Alien Dream in the next show. > > Signed > Timothy Leary > ;-) Sure...maybe something from the first album... Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 20 21:03:46 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:03:46 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/14 & Reminder Message-ID: In a message dated Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:29:30 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 9/20/02 1:12:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > > > G'day errrmm I mean Hi, > > Exellent set list! > > I would like to request some of that amazing Alien Dream in the next show. > > > > Signed > > Timothy Leary > > ;-) > > Sure...maybe something from the first album... > > Chuck Wow! A request from Timothy Leary.... LoL (sorry about that - cheeky mode disabled) I'll have to send you the new cd which I should be able to do in a week or so. Just awaitning the artwork- (theres always something to wait for wherevere a new cd is concerned) Eleven Realms Of Night - The newie has an intro with a really nice poem written by a Canadian writer as well as a bit of writing from mahself....on one track. I would have liked to have done more lyrical tracks but I am really happy with the way the cd sounds now so I'll save that for the next one ;-) Michael (not Tim Leary) Blackman From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 21 02:03:47 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:03:47 EDT Subject: BOC: RU Ready, Yes I am Message-ID: Greetings all: Just got back from BOC's concert in Marshall MI. Out door concert on a great day for it; major rain clouds passing through northern Indiana and southern Michigan. Stopped raining by the time BOC came out, though. The set list was: Burning for You E.T.I Dance on Stilts Harvester of Eyes Cities on Flame Perfect Water Godzilla (big audience participation number. I certainly was) Astronomy (great special fx during this: the clouds parted and let the moon shine through) Buck's Boogie solo by Buck/prelude to (Don't Fear) The Reaper Encore: See You in Black Dominance and Submission Only my second BOC concert, and I want more, damn it!!! I'll have to start haranguing the local rock radio and clubs to sponsor another local concert Joe From youless at LVCM.COM Sat Sep 21 02:23:28 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Winamp Skins Message-ID: Hi Six Hawkwind Winamp Skins are now available at, and more will be coming soon to, Starfarer's Hawkwind Page: http://www.starfarer.net Thanks to Rodger Stankey who put these together & gave permission for them to be used on the site :-) Steve From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Sep 21 10:54:51 2002 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:54:51 -0400 Subject: BOC - Equipment In-Reply-To: <3B3C80CC.DBAC0ECE@mitre.org> Message-ID: Hey all, I have not been a big BOC fan in the past, but I'm finally seeing the light. Picked up Live ET, and it positively smokes. What I really would like to know is what gear, guitar-wise, they were using at that time. Especially the one doing most of the leads (Buck D. I assume?) Does anyone know what pedals and amps he was using? I love the sound: hard edged, but sweet with a singing quality. Crunchy, yet articulate enough so you can pick out every note in a chord, with leads to kill. Thanks! Dave From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Sep 21 15:43:01 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:43:01 EDT Subject: OFF: A Different Type of Lemmy Interview Message-ID: Might give it a look-see, I don't know if it's been posted here before...sort of amusing... Chuck http://nardwuar.com/vs/motorhead/index.html From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Sep 21 16:36:29 2002 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:36:29 +0100 Subject: HW - Article from the Arts Page of the Glasgow Herald, October 1993 Message-ID: Here's a news article I dug out. I think I was inspired to tap it out by Mike and Jill posting some news articles a few weeks ago, but once I read it again there's nothing really that Brock says that is new and lots of the article is just journo-fluff (although David Belcher was a good sort). However, since I had typed it out and probably few have seen it, I am posting it anyway. Alan Headline - 'Blowing On' Column Name - 'BOSS GROOVES' David Belcher feels the force of Hawkwind The picture with this was one of those from the inner gatefold of IITBOTFTBD. Twenty-four years on and Dave Brock still hasn't mastered the business of selling his music. Whenever you ask him to explain his art, he'll sound stumped and issue a wheezy "search me" kind of a laugh. It is probably as it should be, creative-wise. In Italics- Don't think; do, man. Music criticism is the sound of one hand clapping, dig? So, like, wow, we salute ye, oh Hawkwind, ye loose aggregation of Ladbroke Grove anarcho-squatters who were born to play benefit gigs and free festivals. What the Guinness Encyclopaedia of Popular Music describes as "chemically blurred science-fiction" rock has endured. That which was somewhat tatty to begin with shall never wear out, it seems. Ambient, perambulatory psychedelia is in style at last. Hawkwind's twenty-second LP It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous, came out on Castle last week. The sole Scottish date on their wide-ranging European tour is at Glasgow's Barrowland on November 20. Yet things weren't always so ongoing. At one point, founding member Brock lost the rights to Hawkwind's very name. There's also been a 10-year royalty battle ("no money yet, but it's close to being resolved"), while a massive 18 album surfeit of Hawkwind anthologies , collections, compilations, and live in-concert mementoes on a plethora of labels has tended to obscure the fact that the band are still in action, creating new material. What about the new LP? Dave umms and arrs, laughs and splutters. "Explaining a record is like explaining a light show. I dunno. It's got some long tracks, 16 and 17 minutes. There's no need for 40-minute CDs anymore. It's trance-like music...the sort of thing Can , Neu and Kraftwerk started." "At our shows we get all ages from 12 to 60. It should always be all ages. If you go to reggae clubs, especially in the Caribbean , you'll get lots of mums and dads. But sometimes music gets tribal - 'this is only for 15-year olds, not the forties.' That Guinness book's description of us sounds about right." Never fashionable, Hawkwind have nevertheless carved a niche for themselves. "We've done things and then been noticed for them five years later. Our light-show ideas get used by other people. We get sampled by other bands, big ones- I don't like name dropping, I don't have to." Ask Dave about the oddest scenes from Hawkwind's long strange trip and he can oblige with a famous name, however: "The Baader-Mienhof gang. I was once arrested naked in bed early one morning in a hotel in Paris on suspicion of being a member." Something to do with a dummy gun used in an on-stage bit of symbolism. Hawkwind's current stage line up features Brock and two musical associates, Alan Davey and Richard Chadwick, plus "a couple of dancers, some fire-eaters." Unreconstructed males of a certain age still yearn for Stacia. "A very nice girl. Large. Statuesque. But we did a single with Samantha Fox recently, you know." As for the future, Dave plans a renewed collaboration with science fiction writer Michael Moorcock, and envisions "an even-more-wonderful stage show for '94; mime, lights, music. We're going to be auditioning contemporary dancers - applications from Scotland most welcome." From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Sep 21 17:07:07 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:07:07 -0400 Subject: HW - Article from the Arts Page of the Glasgow Herald, October 1993 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great read. Thanks for taking the time to type it out. Mike _____________________________________________ Save a little money each month and at the end of the year you'll be surprised at how little you have. -- Ernest Haskins ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Alan Taylor ::Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:36 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: HW - Article from the Arts Page of the Glasgow Herald, October ::1993 :: :: ::Here's a news article I dug out. I think I was inspired to tap it out by ::Mike and Jill posting some news articles a few weeks ago, but ::once I read ::it again there's nothing really that Brock says that is new and ::lots of the ::article is just journo-fluff (although David Belcher was a good sort). ::However, since I had typed it out and probably few have seen it, I am ::posting it anyway. Alan :: ::Headline - 'Blowing On' ::Column Name - 'BOSS GROOVES' ::David Belcher feels the force of Hawkwind ::The picture with this was one of those from the inner gatefold of ::IITBOTFTBD. :: ::Twenty-four years on and Dave Brock still hasn't mastered the business of ::selling his music. Whenever you ask him to explain his art, he'll sound ::stumped and issue a wheezy "search me" kind of a laugh. It is ::probably as ::it should be, creative-wise. In Italics- Don't think; do, man. Music ::criticism is the sound of one hand clapping, dig? :: ::So, like, wow, we salute ye, oh Hawkwind, ye loose aggregation ::of Ladbroke ::Grove anarcho-squatters who were born to play benefit gigs and free ::festivals. What the Guinness Encyclopaedia of Popular Music describes as ::"chemically blurred science-fiction" rock has endured. That which was ::somewhat tatty to begin with shall never wear out, it seems. Ambient, ::perambulatory psychedelia is in style at last. :: ::Hawkwind's twenty-second LP It Is The Business Of The Future To Be ::Dangerous, came out on Castle last week. The sole Scottish date on their ::wide-ranging European tour is at Glasgow's Barrowland on ::November 20. Yet ::things weren't always so ongoing. :: ::At one point, founding member Brock lost the rights to ::Hawkwind's very name. ::There's also been a 10-year royalty battle ("no money yet, but ::it's close to ::being resolved"), while a massive 18 album surfeit of Hawkwind ::anthologies , ::collections, compilations, and live in-concert mementoes on a plethora of ::labels has tended to obscure the fact that the band are still in action, ::creating new material. :: ::What about the new LP? Dave umms and arrs, laughs and splutters. ::"Explaining a record is like explaining a light show. I dunno. ::It's got some ::long tracks, 16 and 17 minutes. There's no need for 40-minute ::CDs anymore. ::It's trance-like music...the sort of thing Can , Neu and ::Kraftwerk started." :: ::"At our shows we get all ages from 12 to 60. It should always ::be all ages. ::If you go to reggae clubs, especially in the Caribbean , you'll ::get lots of ::mums and dads. But sometimes music gets tribal - 'this is only ::for 15-year ::olds, not the forties.' That Guinness book's description of us ::sounds about ::right." :: ::Never fashionable, Hawkwind have nevertheless carved a niche for ::themselves. ::"We've done things and then been noticed for them five years later. Our ::light-show ideas get used by other people. We get sampled by ::other bands, ::big ones- I don't like name dropping, I don't have to." :: ::Ask Dave about the oddest scenes from Hawkwind's long strange trip and he ::can oblige with a famous name, however: "The Baader-Mienhof gang. I was ::once arrested naked in bed early one morning in a hotel in Paris on ::suspicion of being a member." Something to do with a dummy gun ::used in an ::on-stage bit of symbolism. :: ::Hawkwind's current stage line up features Brock and two musical ::associates, ::Alan Davey and Richard Chadwick, plus "a couple of dancers, some ::fire-eaters." Unreconstructed males of a certain age still yearn for ::Stacia. "A very nice girl. Large. Statuesque. But we did a ::single with ::Samantha Fox recently, you know." :: ::As for the future, Dave plans a renewed collaboration with ::science fiction ::writer Michael Moorcock, and envisions "an even-more-wonderful stage show ::for '94; mime, lights, music. We're going to be auditioning contemporary ::dancers - applications from Scotland most welcome." From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Sep 21 17:58:24 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:58:24 +0100 Subject: HW: POSTER enquiry Message-ID: I've been asked by a fellow Hawkfan to make an enquiry (see below) about a poster he once had that doesn't seem to be recorded anywhere. I've looked through Robert Godwin's Illustrated Collectors Guide but there's no mention of it there. It's possible it was issued with the Japanese version of Space Ritual but I don't have one of those. Does anyone else? And does it have a poster? If not does anyone have any information on where the poster might be from. The fact that it's cardboard puzzles me somewhat. Is it possible it's a promotional display or something? Please contact Dave direct if you can help Dignumfam at aol.com or send replies to this list (though I will forward any messages that come to me by mistake!) thanks! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: Re: POSTER > Hi Jill. Well here's the info for you to post on BOC for me. Please feel > free to add or take out anything to make it clearer etc. > > The enquiry is regarding a poster that came with the vinyl Space Ritual > Albums. It was a cardboard poster and was a wide angled shot of the stage > during the tour, like some of the pictures on the fold out album sleeve. > The only info that mentions a poster is at > http://www.adawson.clara.net/spacrit.html > This says a poster was with the Japanese release. > Does anyone know if the poster was with all the original 73 UK releases? > Unfortunately I lost the poster many years ago and am looking to replace > it. > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Sep 21 18:43:17 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:43:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Swift as the arrow.... Message-ID: My PCs been down for a week so I couldn't mention it earlier. The racehorse 'Hawkwind' WON the 4.30 at Goodwood last Saturday. It romped home about 2 lengths ahead of its rivals. Of course I had a few bob on it :) Its an unusual dark grey colour and really stood out in the field. Mick 'scourge of the bookies' crook! -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 21 15:55:40 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:55:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind & Motorhead Message-ID: Oh Yes!!! Thank you !!! >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind & Motorhead >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:11:42 -0400 > >++ STAR WARRIORS + + > >HAWKWIND are pleased to announce that we are to be the special >guests of Lemmy's MOTORHEAD at Wembley on 19th October. . . > >Ticket details to follow. . . . . . . . > >++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 21 19:13:26 2002 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:13:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Swift as the arrow.... Message-ID: It's called 'Hawkwing', and I've been following it all season- good bet! Don't confuse it with 'XHawkwing' tho.....! >From: Mick Crook >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Swift as the arrow.... >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:43:17 -0400 > >My PCs been down for a week so I couldn't mention it earlier. >The racehorse 'Hawkwind' WON the 4.30 at Goodwood last Saturday. It romped >home about 2 lengths ahead of its rivals. Of course I had a few bob on it >:) >Its an unusual dark grey colour and really stood out in the field. > >Mick 'scourge of the bookies' crook! > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at >http://www.talk21.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 21 19:28:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:28:44 EDT Subject: HW: Swift as the arrow.... Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:54:15 AEDT, Mick Crook writes: > My PCs been down for a week so I couldn't mention it earlier. > The racehorse 'Hawkwind' WON the 4.30 at Goodwood last Saturday. It romped home about 2 lengths ahead of its rivals. Of course I had a few bob on it :) > Its an unusual dark grey colour and really stood out >in the field. Imagine how fast the horse would go if you only had one bob on it. Must be wee teeny little jockeys to get a few of em - and all named Bob as well - on board.... This horse could be the PharLap of the 21st century... From grodog at PACBELL.NET Sat Sep 21 19:46:27 2002 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:46:27 -0700 Subject: off: porcupine tree new album? Message-ID: Has anyone heard Porcupine Tree's new CD, In Absentia? Wasn't it due out this week/last week? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Sep 21 21:22:33 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:22:33 -0400 Subject: porcupine tree new album? In-Reply-To: <3D8D04D3.29A22847@pacbell.net> Message-ID: It is being released this Tuesday, the 24th on Atlantic Lava Records in the USA. European release in January 2003. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: off: porcupine tree new album? Has anyone heard Porcupine Tree's new CD, In Absentia? Wasn't it due out this week/last week? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 21 23:03:08 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:03:08 EDT Subject: hep meh! Message-ID: I can't find my url to space does not care - its been nicked!!! anyone?? From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Sun Sep 22 05:18:29 2002 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:18:29 +1200 Subject: 25% off SALE at Cranium Music In-Reply-To: <200209220900.FAA02936@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Mega sale on at Cranium Music. Please note it doesn't include the releases on the Cranium Label. Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET Sun Sep 22 05:35:25 2002 From: bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET (Bill Barwick) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 05:35:25 -0400 Subject: HW: POSTER enquiry Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:58:24 +0100, Jill Strobridge wrote: >I've been asked by a fellow Hawkfan to make an enquiry (see below) about >a poster he once had that doesn't seem to be recorded anywhere. I've >looked through Robert Godwin's Illustrated Collectors Guide but there's >no mention of it there. It's possible it was issued with the Japanese >version of Space Ritual but I don't have one of those. Does anyone >else? And does it have a poster? If not does anyone have any >information on where the poster might be from. The fact that it's >cardboard puzzles me somewhat. Is it possible it's a promotional >display or something? > >Please contact Dave direct if you can help Dignumfam at aol.com or send >replies to this list (though I will forward any messages that come to me >by mistake!) >thanks! >jill >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Jill Strobridge >----------------------------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: POSTER > > >> Hi Jill. Well here's the info for you to post on BOC for me. Please >feel >> free to add or take out anything to make it clearer etc. >> >> The enquiry is regarding a poster that came with the vinyl Space >Ritual >> Albums. It was a cardboard poster and was a wide angled shot of the >stage >> during the tour, like some of the pictures on the fold out album >sleeve. >> The only info that mentions a poster is at >> http://www.adawson.clara.net/spacrit.html >> This says a poster was with the Japanese release. >> Does anyone know if the poster was with all the original 73 UK >releases? >> Unfortunately I lost the poster many years ago and am looking to >replace >> it. >> I've got a copy of what sounds like the same poster somewhere. A lot of stuff is packed away at the moment so I can't lay my hands on it but from memory i got it around '78 or so, can't remember how or where from. It's a panoramic shot, presumably from the same Space Ritual set and as far as I can recall is about 12 inches by 2 feet +. It isn't cardboard but was printed on thick, matt paper. Out of interest there's a couple of shots from the same era in an album sized glossy book called "The Concerts" published by Paper Tiger around '79, one double page full stage shot and one from the side of the stage. The latter looks very much like Brixton Sundown from the interior layout. Still on the poster front, somewhere I've got a large glossy promo poster for Captain Lockheed with Bob in makeup wearing a black SS uniform I think (again this is from memory) with a girl wearing pilot's goggles. Haven't seen this mentioned before, are there many of them about? Bill From Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 23 05:57:02 2002 From: Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK (Justin Hood) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:57:02 +0100 Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: Greetings Whilst reading the Manchester Evening News today (Friday), I noticed that in the listings section there is an ad for the Academy, this basically details forthcoming shows/bands etc... and they've got Hawkwind listed as playing there on Friday 6th December, a bit of a result me thinks !! Perhaps a December tour !! Cheers Justin From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Sep 22 07:00:51 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:00:51 -0400 Subject: Fw: FW: Death by stoning Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damo Suzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: WG: FW: Death by stoning -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: U.Gerlach [mailto:ugerlach at ixea.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. September 2002 11:52 An: Anne Weinert-St?tzel; Francoise Vogel; Damo Suzuki; Mark Spybey; Eveline Seelig; Fred Schulz; G?nther R?ssler; RGolz at t-online.de; Didier Rengalle; Paolo; Benne Meier; Nadine Kaserouni; Kitty Hartl; Simon Haas; Judith Gregor; Eike Jan Gerlach; Volkmar Freund; Uwe Kerstin Flehmig; Rainer Csallner; Gaelle Court; Paul Buntzel; Paul, Brodkorb; Herrmann Ulla Bliem; Maria Bevilacqua; J?rgen Rosi Berkling / Moch; Richard Baussay; Steffi Assing; Petra Aicher Betreff: Fw: FW: Death by stoning ----- Original Message ----- From: Jono Podmore To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:53 AM Subject: Fwd: FW: Death by stoning > > > > >From: tim simenon > >To: BOOK > >Subject: FW: Death by stoning > >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:59:20 +0200 > > > > > >Dear All, > > > >This is not normally my style but I was compelled in this case to write!!! > > > >As many of you may have heard, a Nigerian woman was recently sentenced to > >death - for having a child out of wedlock. Amina Lawal has been sentenced > >to death by stoning - she is to buried up to her neck in the ground, after > >which her punishers will surround her and throw rocks at her head until > >her skull is crushed and she dies a painful and horrible death. > > > >I'm sure you all feel equal shock and disgust at this sentence, and I want > >you to know that she has only thirty days to appeal her trial. Please go > >to the Amnesty International site, and > >sign the letter addressed to the President of Nigeria. It literally takes > >only a minute, and could help to save her life, as well as help put an > >end to this kind of cruel and disgraceful judgement in a country that > >calls itself a democracy. Please copy and forward this letter > >to others in your address book as well. Please help her!" > >Even if you're hesitant to sign the Amnesty petition yourself, please pass > >this e-mail on, so that other people have the opportunity to decide for > >themselves. > > > >Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Sep 22 08:12:31 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:12:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Swift as the arrow.... Message-ID: No Mark - "Hawkwing" is a different horse - This is definitely HawkWIND. The commentator kept having to correct himself as he was making the same mistake. J. Gosden is the trainer and its from the USA. > It's called 'Hawkwing', and I've been following it all season- good bet! >Don't confuse it with 'XHawkwing' tho.....! > > >From: Mick Crook >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Swift as the arrow.... >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:43:17 -0400 > >My PCs been down for a week so I couldn't mention it earlier. >The racehorse 'Hawkwind' WON the 4.30 at Goodwood last Saturday. It romped >home about 2 lengths ahead of its rivals. Of course I had a few bob on it >:) >Its an unusual dark grey colour and really stood out in the field. > >Mick 'scourge of the bookies' crook! > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at >http://www.talk21.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 22 12:29:26 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:29:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Space Ritual Poster Message-ID: I've had this message from Dave - there seems to be a picture of his poster on a Japanese web page if anyone want to have a look at it. Quite dramatic actually! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: > I received a mail in reply from a member of Neo Quark really quickly, David > Blair. > He gave me this to go to and guess what, its my poster. > The only mystery now is, how come my copy bought in Liverpool when the album > was released had this poster? > If you want to see it its at. > http://homepage1.nifty.com/hawkwind/japanesesite/discography/spaceritual jap.html > Thanks ever so much for all your help. > I don't know if you want to post the info on BOC so that others can see the > answer to my/ your query. From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Sep 22 12:41:19 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:41:19 +0100 Subject: porcupine tree new album? Message-ID: ive heard it already and i think its quite good colm > It is being released this Tuesday, the 24th on Atlantic Lava Records in the > USA. European release in January 2003. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:46 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: off: porcupine tree new album? > > > Has anyone heard Porcupine Tree's new CD, In Absentia? Wasn't it due > out this week/last week? > > Allan. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City > grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > > If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. > Anything you want to, do it. > Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. > > -- "Pure Imagination" from > _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 22 13:07:33 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:07:33 +0100 Subject: HW: POSTER enquiry Message-ID: Thanks for this response. I've passed it on. Your Calvert poster sounds like the one printed in Trev Hughes' Hawkfrenz magazine - the Robert Calvert 1945-1988 Tribute one on about page 11 (the pages aren't numbered so it's a bit difficult to tell!). It's listed, I think, as the Captain Lockheed photo c. 1974 United Artists. He holds his cap in his gloved left hand has a falcon or a hawk perched on his right arm and the girl crouches at his feet wearing the pilot's goggles. Looking through my own selection I seem to have a promotion poster for the Calvert Tribute show at Brixton Academy on Sunday 5th March 1989. Not in very good condition I hasten to add but I'd forgotten I had it. Rather a nice surprise! cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Barwick > I've got a copy of what sounds like the same poster somewhere. A lot of > stuff is packed away at the moment so I can't lay my hands on it but from > memory i got it around '78 or so, can't remember how or where from. It's a > panoramic shot, presumably from the same Space Ritual set and as far as I > can recall is about 12 inches by 2 feet +. It isn't cardboard but was > printed on thick, matt paper. Out of interest there's a couple of shots > > Still on the poster front, somewhere I've got a large glossy promo poster > for Captain Lockheed with Bob in makeup wearing a black SS uniform I think > (again this is from memory) with a girl wearing pilot's goggles. Haven't > seen this mentioned before, are there many of them about? > > Bill From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Sep 22 18:37:48 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:37:48 UT Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: >Remember when the new album was called "Ezekiel's >Wheel," and it was coming out in March '97? :-) I remember when the new album was called "Harvest Moon", and it was coming out in '93. That announcement was made during a great show that occurred smack in the middle of a HORRIBLE bill, which also included some stupid alternative band called Tribe, the Violent Femmes and Fishbone. BOC played second, which I thought was pure injustice. It was at Cornell U, so we were definitely out of our territory -- definitely a pretty strange place to be seeing BOC in 1992. I remember being part of a very small group that came only for BOC. We were surrounded and vastly outnumbered, but judging by looks alone, we could have kicked all their asses if it came down to it. : ) --Nick From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Sun Sep 22 19:16:43 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:16:43 +0100 Subject: Possible December Dates !! In-Reply-To: <001101c262e7$97922520$2721dec2@jazzmeister> Message-ID: Is that the Brixton academy or is there a similarly named venue in Manchester? I can't check the Brixton academy cos some tosser has forced the use of cookies and I can't read their stuff. What a crock! Horse On 23 Sep 2002 at 10:57, Justin Hood wrote: > Whilst reading the Manchester Evening News today (Friday), I noticed that in > the listings section there is an ad for the Academy, this basically details > forthcoming shows/bands etc... and they've got Hawkwind listed as playing > there on Friday 6th December, a bit of a result me thinks !! From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Sep 22 19:24:42 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:24:42 UT Subject: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: >> > Still no live version of=0D >> > Stairway.=0D >>=0D >> There's always Live '76, though yeah I know what >you mean.=0D >>=0D >Yeah, but I was hoping for a better sounding one. >But we can=0D >record off the DVD, I guess...=0D I have a really good live version of "Stairway" on a CD called "Rock and Roll Reapers", which is from some live show in Pasadena in '83. I picked it up at some big record collectors convention in Binghamton, NY about 10 years ago. --Nick From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Sep 22 19:30:22 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:30:22 -0400 Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: The Xmas Party Date is WALTHAMSTOW, London on December 13th http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm NO Manchester date has yet been confirmed ! Rx From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Sep 22 19:32:14 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:32:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show + Greg Segal Tribute Special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (September 22, 2002): We've just uploaded two new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. Show #59 is a general Space Rock set and Show #58 is a 2-part Tribute to Greg Segal. See the playlists below. CONTEST: Listen to Show #59 to hear how you can win a copy of the new Atomic Dogs Don't Bark CD by Pseudo Sun. Note that the excellent psych zine Crohinga Well still exists!! They don't have a web site but you can email Louis Behiels for information at louis.behiels at pi.be or write to them at The Paps Of Anu, PB 38, B-2600 Berchem-5, Belgium. The next issue is scheduled for publication in early 2003. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #59: General Playlist Pseudo Sun - "Mutiny" (from Atomic Dogs Don't Bark) Floorian - "Alt.11" (from What The Buzzing) The Sand Pebbles - "Out Of My Mind On Dope And Speed" (from Eastern Terrace) Automatic Music - "Antediluvian Descent, Landing & Plateau" (from The Return Of King Harvest) Purple Overdose - "Golden Eyes" (from The Salmon's Trip Live [LP version]) Quarkspace - "Pavlovian Causeway" (from Drop) Mushroom - "Jamming With Erik" (from Analog Hi-Fi Surprise [reissue with bonus tracks]) Nishinihon - "Hoos The Fuk That Et Tha Rest O Man Schoo?" (from Nishinihon) MANDOG - "#0215" (from Tryptaphonic Mind Explosion) Deathsquad - "Error 404" (from Centipede Strapon Masquerade) Artemiy Artemiev & Peter Frohmader - "Transfiguration II" (from Transfiguration) Escapade - "When Whenever Comes" (from Remembrance Of Things Unknown) Aural Innovations Radio Show #58: Greg Segal Tribute Special Greg Segal has been recording independently for about 20 years, and also had four albums out on the SST label in the 1980's when he was the guitarist with the improvisational quartet Paper Bag. Greg's music covers a gamut of styles including Space Rock, Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Free-Improv, and all kinds of great Rock n Roll. In fact there's such a variety that we had no choice but to make the show a TWO PARTER. So please listen to both parts of the show because you're bound to hear a number of things you enjoy. And while you're listening you can visit Greg's web site at http://www.gregsegal.com. Part I Greg Segal - "Sahara, 1909" (from In Search Of The Fantastic) Greg Segal - "As The Sky Turns To Fire" (from Night Circus Part One) Greg Segal - "The Bust" (from Darkland Express Part One) Greg Segal - "Clear Day" (from Water From The Moon) Jugalbandi - "Remembering Precognition" (from Yellow Star Mailing List) Greg Segal - "For Ann" (from Night Circus Part One) Greg Segal - "Life In Gameland" (from A Man Who Was Here) Greg Segal - "What Gives You The Right" (from Darkland Express Part One) Greg Segal - "Watcher" (from Night Circus Part Two) Part II Jugalbandi - "Valley Plaza (Reprise)" (from Yellow Star Mailing List) Paper Bag - "Ninety In Reverse" (from Music To Trash) Greg Segal - "L.A. River Rafting" (from Darkland Express Part Two) Jugalbandi - "My Yiddishe Boogie" (from The Cram And Stuff Method) Greg Segal - "King Of The Night" (from A Man Who Was Here) Greg Segal - "The Taker" (from Water From The Moon) Greg Segal - "Horsehead" (from The Fourth Of The Three) Greg Segal - "Points On A Line" (from Darkland Express Part Two) Jugalbandi - "Reciprocal Demonology" (from The View Is Better From The Top Of The Food Chain) Greg Segal - "The India-Appalachia Railway" (from In Search Of The Fantastic) Jugalbandi - "La Bionda" (from The Cram And Stuff Method) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Mon Sep 23 04:35:15 2002 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:35:15 +0200 Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: Cheers mates! Wow!!! I saw them last year at Walthamstow and guess what? I?ll be in London (christmas shopping with my wife) between December 10-17. this year :-)))). I?m a very happy Swede. Can someone please tell where I can buy the tickets? Phone or URL would be nice. Thanks in advance. Am I dreaming or what!?! Henrik, a lucky guy from the outskirts of Europe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Possible December Dates !! > The Xmas Party Date is WALTHAMSTOW, London on December 13th > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > NO Manchester date has yet been confirmed ! > > Rx > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 23 07:05:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:05:47 EDT Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: All details on mission control - "It's all there" ;-) Have a happy Hawkmas!! In a message dated Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:35:35 AEDT, Hawkswede writes: > Cheers mates! > > Wow!!! I saw them last year at Walthamstow and guess what? I?ll be in London > (christmas shopping with my wife) between December 10-17. this year :-)))). > I?m a very happy Swede. > Can someone please tell where I can buy the tickets? Phone or URL would be > nice. > > Thanks in advance. > > Am I dreaming or what!?! > > Henrik, a lucky guy from the outskirts of Europe. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Rx" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:30 AM > Subject: Re: Possible December Dates !! > > > > The Xmas Party Date is WALTHAMSTOW, London on December 13th > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > > > NO Manchester date has yet been confirmed ! > > > > Rx > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 23 08:01:37 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:01:37 EDT Subject: BOC - Equipment In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020921104850.0496e9d0@mail.hypernova.net> Message-ID: On 21 Sep 2002, at 10:54, dhuggins wrote: > Hey all, > > I have not been a big BOC fan in the past, but I'm finally seeing the > light. Picked up Live ET, and it positively smokes. > > What I really would like to know is what gear, guitar-wise, they were > using at that time. Especially the one doing most of the leads (Buck > D. I assume?) Does anyone know what pedals and amps he was using? I > love the sound: hard edged, but sweet with a singing quality. > Crunchy, yet articulate enough so you can pick out every note in a > chord, with leads to kill. I'm pretty sure that BD was still using his Giuliano Vulcan at the time, with a Les Paul as a backup. He had a bunch of stuff stolen a while back, so the time frame is somewhat critical. Back then, Buck changed amps a lot, but I'm pretty sure he was using Boogies around that time. Possibly Marshalls. Not a lot of outboard gear, maybe just a little delay. In the '90s, he used an ART power Plant as a preamp, but I don't think he had that unit for ETL--probably just the Boogie's natural distorion. theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 23 08:11:54 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:11:54 EDT Subject: BOC: RU Ready, Yes I am In-Reply-To: <4f.23d0d3f4.2abd65c3@aol.com> Message-ID: On 21 Sep 2002, at 2:03, Joe Loehr wrote: > Just got back from BOC's concert in Marshall MI. Encore: See You in Black Glad you got to hear SYiB live. Hope they keep it in the set list. I'm seeing them at least once next month, and I hope to hear it again... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 23 08:37:36 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:37:36 -0400 Subject: BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: > Sounds cool. Now we can burn a comp CD composed entirely of official live > versions of the Big 3. > The Big 3? Hell no - Sony is planning on release a special compilation called "Don't Fear the Reaper -- The Best SONG by Blue Oyster Cult", and will feature the following tracks: 1. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Studio (Agents of Fortune) version 2. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original single (AoF version without the guitar solo) version 3. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early live (Live 1976) version 4. Don't Fear the Reaper - Later live (Some Enchanted Eveing) version 5. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early 80s (Extraterrestrial Live) version 6. Don't Fear the Reaper - Re-recorded (Cult Classic) version 7. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Re-Mastered (AoF Re-Master) version 8. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Demo (from AoF Re-Master) 9. Don't Fear the Reaper - Live in the 90's (Summerdaze) version 10. Don't Fear the Reaper - New Millenium (Long Days Night) version Also, the Japanese release will have a special bonus track: Don't Fear the Reaper - Karaoke or "TV Mix" (Cult Classic) John From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 23 08:43:23 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:43:23 -0400 Subject: RRe: (Fwd) BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: > > >Remember when the new album was called "Ezekiel's > >Wheel," and it was coming out in March '97? :-) More like 95 I think - Heaven Forbid eventually came out in 1998. And Ezekiel's Wheel would have been a much cooler title (and hopefully better album cover artwork). HECOMPLETESHEET.COM> > > >> > Still no live version of=0D > >> > Stairway.=0D > >>=0D > >> There's always Live '76, though yeah I know what > >you mean.=0D > >>=0D > >Yeah, but I was hoping for a better sounding one. > >But we can=0D > >record off the DVD, I guess...=0D > > I have a really good live version of "Stairway" on a CD called "Rock and Roll Reapers", which is from some live show in Pasadena in '83. I picked it up at some big record collectors convention in Binghamton, NY about 10 years ago. > That same recording also appeared as a CD called "Nail You Down" - good version to be sure. If the King Biscuit recordings ever get released (which I somehow doubt), we'll get to hear probably an even better version, recorded I believe in New York in the 75-77 time period. A bit of feedback during the song may mar the listening experience for some, but it has one of the coolest intros for the band I have ever heard: "The terror you spawned has returned to it's homeland! Here they are from New York City, the amazing Blue Oyster Cult!" John From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Mon Sep 23 09:49:57 2002 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:49:57 +0200 Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: Hi Michael! I checked the mission control, phoned Walthamstow and by now the tickets should be on their way to Sweden. See you in heaven (well, the spacerock one of course:-)) ) Henrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Possible December Dates !! > All details on mission control - "It's all there" ;-) > > Have a happy Hawkmas!! > > In a message dated Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:35:35 AEDT, Hawkswede writes: > > > Cheers mates! > > > > Wow!!! I saw them last year at Walthamstow and guess what? I?ll be in London > > (christmas shopping with my wife) between December 10-17. this year :-)))). > > I?m a very happy Swede. > > Can someone please tell where I can buy the tickets? Phone or URL would be > > nice. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Am I dreaming or what!?! > > > > Henrik, a lucky guy from the outskirts of Europe. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rik Rx" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Possible December Dates !! > > > > > > > The Xmas Party Date is WALTHAMSTOW, London on December 13th > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > > > > > NO Manchester date has yet been confirmed ! > > > > > > Rx > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 23 10:01:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:01:25 EDT Subject: Possible December Dates !! Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:50:24 AEDT, Hawkswede writes: > Hi Michael! > > I checked the mission control, phoned Walthamstow and by now the tickets > should be on their way to Sweden. > > See you in heaven (well, the spacerock one of course:-)) ) > > Henrik Hello Henrik, If heavan is the Xmas party then I may be out of luck - this year. I'll say me prayers - maybe that will help hehe Michael From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 23 11:21:28 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:21:28 +0100 Subject: BOC NewsWire message Message-ID: Genius. Legendary comedy genius. I scared my colleagues by choking at this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Swartz" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: BOC NewsWire message > > Sounds cool. Now we can burn a comp CD composed entirely of official live > > versions of the Big 3. > > > > The Big 3? Hell no - Sony is planning on release a special compilation > called "Don't Fear the Reaper -- The Best SONG by Blue Oyster Cult", and > will feature the following tracks: > > 1. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Studio (Agents of Fortune) version > 2. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original single (AoF version without the > guitar solo) version > 3. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early live (Live 1976) version > 4. Don't Fear the Reaper - Later live (Some Enchanted Eveing) version > 5. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early 80s (Extraterrestrial Live) version > 6. Don't Fear the Reaper - Re-recorded (Cult Classic) version > 7. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Re-Mastered (AoF Re-Master) version > 8. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Demo (from AoF Re-Master) > 9. Don't Fear the Reaper - Live in the 90's (Summerdaze) version > 10. Don't Fear the Reaper - New Millenium (Long Days Night) version > > Also, the Japanese release will have a special bonus track: > > Don't Fear the Reaper - Karaoke or "TV Mix" (Cult Classic) > > > John > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Sep 23 13:40:52 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:40:52 -0400 Subject: BOC NewsWire message In-Reply-To: <3D8F0B10.42BFC03A@mitre.org> Message-ID: John, I doubt anything on Halloween will give me as big a scare as that just did.... One thing you forgot though was the Muzak version. ;-) John Swartz wrote: > The Big 3? Hell no - Sony is planning on release a special compilation > called "Don't Fear the Reaper -- The Best SONG by Blue Oyster Cult", and > will feature the following tracks: > > 1. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Studio (Agents of Fortune) version > 2. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original single (AoF version without the > guitar solo) version > 3. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early live (Live 1976) version > 4. Don't Fear the Reaper - Later live (Some Enchanted Eveing) version > 5. Don't Fear the Reaper - Early 80s (Extraterrestrial Live) version > 6. Don't Fear the Reaper - Re-recorded (Cult Classic) version > 7. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Re-Mastered (AoF Re-Master) version > 8. Don't Fear the Reaper - Original Demo (from AoF Re-Master) > 9. Don't Fear the Reaper - Live in the 90's (Summerdaze) version > 10. Don't Fear the Reaper - New Millenium (Long Days Night) version > > Also, the Japanese release will have a special bonus track: > > Don't Fear the Reaper - Karaoke or "TV Mix" (Cult Classic) > > > John From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 23 18:06:35 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:06:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <200208281829.OAA02351@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Rik Rx wrote: > ------------------------------ > MISSION CONTROL UPDATES IN PROGRESS: > For those that missed it before, MC is being updated to give it a cleaner, > fresher look, and will address most of the > issues that people have raised as constructive critisism. (HOWEVER, - I'll raise a voice then. > IF YOU GET 'LOST IN SPACE' - CLICK ON THE EYE > The "hard to navigate" MC site has one very, very simple concept to grasp: > click on the eye that appears on every > page to return to the central, 'mission control' launchpad, from where you > can access all the site's key areas. No page > is more than two clicks away from Mission Control, as per the 'traditional' > conventions of web-design. As this > appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a choice > of an updated graphical rich interface, > and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} It shows how long since I've gone in the front door on this site rather than just turning a text browser onto the updates page that I didn't know that things I was going to complain about, like the launch console page and the absence of user navigation tools and stuff, had gone. So rah for Rik. And launching the console only gives me four Javascript errors :-) I expect these using Netscape Navigator 3.0 Gold because it only has Javascript 1.1, but FWIW they are: line 83 dS is not defined line 83 object is not defined [twice] line 67 undefined is not a number Now then. If I try and click on the eye I get another Javascript error on mouse-over, to wit: line 83 Window.Document.logo has no property named 'top' This used to work for me and now doesn't, so boo for Rik there. But there's a conceptual problem too. It's not intuitive what the difference between Mission Control and Home is, nor where the eye takes you. If it works. Misson Control takes you to a menu graphic as we know (line 49: event is not defined), but these things duplicate each other. What is the Noticeboard if it doesn't contain tour dates, or updates, and so on? It isn't clear whether updates is a list of updates to the site, or to the actual content; and if the latter, as it actually is, why does one need to look at the other pages? What's the line between Friends and Cool Links? If a friend has a cool site which do you look under? And who's a friend anyway? Some people might think of Friends and Relations and expect links to, say, Nik's site... Boy would they be wrong! This is the biggest problem with this site. There's no clear idea where information belongs and it goes everywhere or nowhere. Furthermore, that alien screen-saver is really annoying. Still. It tunrs up after a mere thirty seconds on this page because the images all take so long to load. Then, it buggers off again to give me the Misson Control page--not the page I was on beforehand--and the same Javascript error again. This cycle repeats every twenty seconds or so. What's the point of that exactly? Now then. Examples of the information confusion. The updates page (line 67: undefined is not a number) currently has the MH/Anthrax doubleheader as top item, the Xmas Party as second and the War of the Worlds gig as third. All of which could be said to be tour dates. But the tour dates page (line 52: undefined is not a number) only has a little more information than this on it, some of which is out of date (plans for a summer tour). Duplication, and you don't know which to check, except it more or less says at the bottom, this is not the page to look at for up to date information. So why have it at all? And when you add the fact that the Home link actually takes you to a different copy of the Updates page, seemingly identical in information (and Javascript error, except from some places, when you also get line 161: xyz is not defined, and I can't be bothered working out which links give you that one too, it just shows the duplication is broken), that's three places on the site now. But there's more! Have you tried the Releases link at the top of the page? It takes you to a point on an older version of the Updates page which is still kicking around despite having nothing newer than Autumn 2001 on it. Except the releases section. Now, a stupid person might think that was out of date too, in fact anyone might unless they check the site regularly enough to know what's what. So we have four news pages now, two of which are in date and two not, but all duplicating in part at least not just each other but the Tour Dates page. Someone needs to get on top of this. By contrast, say that you were naive enough, as I was several times at first, to want to know who was in Hawkwind these days. You'd think it would be obvious to find this but no. Tour Dates, Guestbook, Catalogue, Friends, Updates, Noticeboard, Passports, For Sale, Gallery, none of these seem obvious places to look. Do you know where it is? It's on the Gallery page (line 39: undefined is not a number). Not very clear why but there it is. There are the Personnel Files. And if you click on that (no Javascript error! Hallelujah!) you get to find out, in the same words that were on this site when it was all Dave's work, that the current line-up is Dave, Richard, Ron and Jerry. Nice one Rik. I realise you didn't provide this content; maybe this is where Andy went wrong, trying to be right. The Ron page is actually quite interesting, and came on-line after Rik took the site over. Jerry's page contains nothing newer than 1997 and nor does Dave's or Richard's. Sum message: no-one cares. And yet this is the first question that one generally gets asked if someone sees a t-shirt and goes "Are they still going then?", "who's in the band now, then?" Trust me I know. Mission Control doesn't. Someone should get on top of this also. And you can say similar things about the catalogue page (line 66: undefined is not a number, and you also get this at line 81 if you let it refrsh a few times) : it's interesting that on the core album page (line 49: undefined is not a number), for which the main graphics never download on my home link, though I know they're there from using other computers, the band list _Thrilling Adventures_ and _Live 1990_ as a core album but don't list the CDs actually marked as being Collector's Series, or _Spacebrock_ which the site doesn't tell you exists, even though it's the last album to come out under the name of Hawkwind with original material on it... The Collector's Series are similarly unacknowledged, and the implication is that because the core albums are "core/approved" what isn't listed isn't "approved" even though it's half the Voiceprint HW catalogue. So this strange set of pages doesn't fulfil either the function of a discography, or a page that tells you which albums the band are happy for you to buy, and you'd hope it did at least the latter given all the dodgy product out there. Also, no compilations, even though there are a few legit ones out there. Someone should get this properly updated as well. It's about information, fundamentally. I don't want nothing but text, though I do read it that way sometimes; of course Hawkwind should look good, it's Hawkwind. But it would be nice if there were, say, one news page, one tour dates page which only had dates and links to venues, not rants about Nik and dates the band didn't play, a discography page with comments (combining the two functions) and an about the band page and the rest of the stuff could go hang, frankly, except maybe for sale and links. The problem is I guess that it's not Rik that provides the information, even if he does provide the layout; the updates always have Dave's style about them and often jumble several items together so that the thematic sorting of the Mission Control page is defeated straightaway. I'd love to suggest someone should sort this out, but... > The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better navigation, a > password protected area for HW > passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line > merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail > announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and loads of other updates > and fixes for those visitors with > electronically or digitally challenged connections (You know who you are ! > :-) > > As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts of > stuff that has to work over a huge > combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, Platforms > inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - > but hang in there...... Well, I think you might be able to cut down on those 1800 pages somewhat by reorganising the information and not the presentation for a moment. Your main page appears to be duplicated all over the shop and loads of stuff is out of date behind it. The whole thing needs its infrastructure and internal discipline rearranging and then I might be able to forget Andy Gilham's calling it "Mission out of Control" and your job might be considerably easier... Yours, Jon ObCDs: The Heads - _Relaxing With_ & Man or Astroman? - _1000x_. This has been a long time in the composition, this message... -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 23 18:26:53 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:26:53 +0100 Subject: Off: BEER In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D2060137A391@uk01ex01.TRAVEL.OAG.COM> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Warburton, Chris (OAG) wrote: > Time to set the record straight on a few things here *G* > In the days when it had two weeks cask conditioning in the brewery > before shipping, Marstons Pedigree, when kept properly, was the finest > premium bitter bar none. I do concede that it disagrees with some people, > apparently partly due to the unique yeast strain which produces longer chain > alcohols in addition to good old Ethyl. > > Unfortunately, corporate bean-counters (I think from Whitbread, who > used to have a substantial holding) decided that in order to gain a windfall > profit equivalent to that two weeks worth of fine ale and never mind that > they were ruining the reputation of their flagship product. Kinda like when > Bass took out their Burton Unions and went for secondary fermentation in > tanks. I remember the change. They redesigned the label at the same time, never a good sign, though Abbot seems to have survived. (Yes, I drink most of my beer bottled these days, so would you if you had my life.) > Pedigree has recovered somewhat since then, but following the above > armageddon, the most consistently good beer that I had in that period was > definitely Taylor's Landlord. That beer CAN travel, never had any problems > with it in Derbyshire, and it's always fine when it's a guest at Victoria > here in Dunstable; I think it's a question of receiving the appropriate TLC > from the pub landlord. Maybe so. It doesn't really meet my idea of the best beer in England even bottled, and I guess I've never found it good then. > Youngs: we-e-e-ll-ll, it's alright, but for consistency & quality (again, it > may be to do with the general standard of the publicans) I reckon Fuller > Smith & Turner win hands down as producers of London beer(IMNSHO). Umf. Again I have to disagree from my own experience (not as broad as yours I'm sure, but... ) Young's Bitter and Fuller's London Pride I know to my cost, having kept them both at bar, are very variable. Pride needs to be kept cooler than it usually is and in any case has an optium life of about three days after which it starts turning thick and sugary or flat, tasteless and headache-inducing. Youngs Bitter gets slowly thicker and at the six or seven day point becomes unservably sour quite suddenly. And I've found both where someone else was having this problem. Now these are the beers you'll usually find on draught by these breweries outside their own pubs, which is a pity as for example Young's Special or Old Nick and Fuller's Chiswick Bitter or ESB are all much more robust and seem to take rougher treatment. I rate them both about equal except that Ram Rod and Special are my favourite beers so Youngs have my loyalty for that :-) > In general terms though, unless I have prior knowledge of quality ale in a > quality hotelry, I subscribe to the esteemed Mr. Lockwood's view that > drinking the local pop is generally the best option. > > In defense of my somewhat arrogantly stated views, my excuse is that I grew > up in Burton Upon Trent, brewing capital of Britain, in the days when the > companies that sold the beer were still actually breweries, and since there > was basically *** all else to do in Burton, you became a beer connoisseur by > default. And I grew up in Watford, where the two industries were beer (Benskins) and paper, two things of which society's use has only gone up while I've been growing (no connection I assure you) and both industries still managed to go out of business. But I left this tasteless hellhole and moved to Cambridge where they are closing down and refurbishing all the dark smokey pubs and turning them into Hogsheads and All-Bar-One-a-likes. Bar-stewards is not quite the word. I'm sure you know what I mean... Yours, Jon ObCD: Man or Astroman? - _1000x_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Sep 23 18:40:38 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:40:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Krautrock CD Collection For Sale! Message-ID: (scheiss...) US postage : $2 for first 4 CD's, no cases. $4 for 5 or more. Elsewhere: $4 for first 4 CD's, no cases. $5 for 5 or more. 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I don't know whether > that means that what I said is wrong, or that I've just been lucky. > > Or maybe, when it comes to HW, I'm simply an uncritical listener > :-) There are a couple I might have classed as mediocre if I'd > had some more "critical distance" (e.g. St. Catharines, 1991) but > at that point I hadn't seen them often enough to be anything less > than ecstatic about their mere presence (especially in my > unremarkable little home town :-) I get the idea that the average is much better in recent years. I've seen a few bad gigs as I thought, and in both cases the sound was also really awful (Shepherd's Bush 1997 and the RFH gig last year). But the band also wasn't playing well, in Shepherd's Bush everyone was too frantic and competing for space (partly the way the venue and sound system combined I guess) and in the RFH they just didn't seem to gel. On the other hand, the best gig I've seen HW play by my lights is Blackheath 1997, Ron's first gig on bass, which was in many ways a shambles; Dave's synths broke down, Ron spent the first three songs tuned much too low and the `Ejection' they played for encore with both Huw and Jerry fell apart badly in the middle and only just got everyone back together for the end. But it was great :-) Total chaos and energy and people having fun winging it. Since then I've seen a few gigs where it was good because they were doing it all right; the Astoria Christmas Party 2000 and the Walthamstow gig on the last tour, there was simply nothing to complain about, it was all bang-on, and that's also very impressive, but it doesn't drag the audience into the performance as much as the chaos ones that somehow come together... > Also the Hawkestra. But as I've written before, a lot of that > was my own crappy mood on the day, and nothing to do with the > band. Some people seem to agree that it wasn't so great a show, > but then others think it was awesome, so that one's a wash, I > guess. Well, different things isn't it; the performance was awful, by and large, and the Space Ritual section particularly not very much, but the actual show and spectacle was soimething never to forget. It probably depends on whether you could hear anything which aspect is more important to your memory... Yours, Jon n/p Das Ludicroix - `L'Menexe' -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 24 06:00:25 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:00:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: HW: OFF: Sights in Munich In-Reply-To: <20020909122522.B20771@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:41:15PM +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: > > F-104G! "Uh, G? Yeah, G! You know, Herr Minister, G...uh, G for Germany!" > > Of course, if they really had named it to appeal to the > customer's vanity, it would have been the F-104D :-) D was taken. D was the trainer version of the USAF's fighter-bomber version ("ground-support, interception, reconaissance, assault and battery..."). But they really did advance it to `G' for Germany, there was no F-104F and the E was a version of the D supplied to Germany to go with their freshly-ordered Gs. > > [...] there were 269 crashes and 110 pilot fatalities. > > Out of how many planes total; did it say? Um, 210 plus 255 plus 89 plus 50 plus 50 plus 137 trainers and the 30 Ds is 801. "We need seven hundred at *least*"... What you have to weigh against this initial wastage is that the remainder then stayed in service another couple of decades becaue the Luftwaffe and Marineflieger got to like the fact that you could do Mach 1 plus at nearly ground level to almost anywhere in Germany and really there was nothing much the enemy could do about it. Things got a lot better once they firstly got used to the plane, and secondly, fitted British ejector seats. Why did this latter make a difference? I'll tell you. Because the American plane was originally designed as a "fair-weather fighter" (bit unfair; it was alsways built to carry radar and work at night too) operating at high altitudes the ejector seat ejected downwards and this wasn't a real problem and meant they could build much stronger canopies and so on. Unfortunately the Luftwaffe's preferred operating altitude was about fifty feet up... And of course the Americans made a fuss about not fitting British seats because it was good enough for them. Cost a good few lives did that. > Canada had a bunch of CF-104's (a further-"improved" version of > the -G; go figure!). The Royal Canadian Air Force's web site > gives this alarming statistic: > > > About 110 CF-104/CF-104Ds were lost in accidents, out of 239 > > delivered -- a loss rate of no less than 46 percent. > > Yikes! Again, these aircraft were in service nearly thirty years; that's a long time for a warplane. Their loss rate per year was never anything like the Luftwaffe's, which was appalling. > The last of them were decommissioned in 1986 -- and sold to > Turkey... Turkey are still buying them up, mostly from Italy now, where they are still the front-line interceptor (back to the original function). Neither country has much problem with them. They'll do Mach 2 and carry long-range missiles, this is all people want in an interceptor it seems... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 24 06:02:16 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:02:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead In-Reply-To: <200209092104.RAA15735@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rik Rx wrote: > ++STAR WARRIORS ++ + + > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > BEDOUIN GIGS ANNOUNCED: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thursday October 24th > Standard Music Venue > Walthamstow > London > SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge > (Bedouin features guest Simon House) > Doors: 8.00pm > Tickets ?10.00 on door > Contact: 020-8508-2523 > Lights by Chaos Illumination Dammit! Same night as Joe Bouchard! I've not managed to see Bedouin with Simon on board yet but the odds of my doing so again are better than those of seeing Joe. Sorry guys... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 24 06:04:55 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:04:55 +0100 Subject: HW: live (was NIK: new album) In-Reply-To: <20020910132001.GA3514@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 12:09:18PM +0400, Alisa wrote: > > => You say yuo hate Yule Ritual production - I love it. It's the best live > => recording ever. > > Best live recording ever, you say? Haven't you heard the Allman > Brothers _At Fillmore East_????? > > (Even within the Hawkwind canon I'd say _Space Ritual_ easily beats > out _Yule Ritual_.) She only says this foolish things because _Love in Space_ is out of print... Yours, Jon (who rather likes _California Brainstorm_ himself for the chainsaw guitar sound... ) -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Tue Sep 24 08:10:47 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:10:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: > Dammit! Same night as Joe Bouchard! I've not managed to see > Bedouin with Simon on board yet but the odds of my doing so again are > better than those of seeing Joe. Sorry guys... Yours, > Jon Current BDS shows (with Joe Bouchard) are: Paris, France on Oct 26th Camden Underworld on Oct 30th Stourbridge Rock Cafe on Oct 31st SickCon1 - Limelight Crewe on Nov 2nd (With a special Joe acoustic set and q&a in the afternoon) Subject to change of course. This info direct from the promoter (I`m co-promoting Sickcon) So you should be able to safely see Alan on the 24rd Oct Si The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/convention/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 24 09:35:47 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:35:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Mountain dates UK/Sweden Message-ID: Leslie West and Mountain (Corky Laing, Ritchie Scarlet) will be in the UK and Sweden on the following dates: 10/30 - London - Mean Fiddler 10/31 - Cardiff - The Point 11/01 - Swansea - Patti Pavillion 11/02 - Frome - Cheese and Grain 11/03 - Pavilion - Bisley, Surrey 11/04 - Newcastle - Opera House 11/06 - Bury - Metropole Arts Center 11/07 - Dudley - Robin Hood 2 Club 11/08 - Glasgow - Renfrew Ferry 11/10 - Sheffield - Boardwalk Swedish dates: 11/13 - Malmo Sweden - KB 11/15 - Helsingborg Sweden - Tivoli 11/16 - Sala Sweden - Rockland Be there! Bill From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 24 12:06:05 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:06:05 -0400 Subject: From Peter Wibrew Message-ID: Peter has asked me to let everyone know that, due to a severe computer malfunction (it blew up!), he will be unable to fulfill any of his current trade/tree obligations for a while. He will be back up and running ASAP. Obviously this affects the Ozrics Tree but, assuming that the tree info is still intact, Peter will be putting it together once the computer is working again. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Sep 24 12:16:43 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:16:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that the Letchworth gig is now off? Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! Nick From joe.e at TELIA.COM Tue Sep 24 12:31:18 2002 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:31:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: Mountain dates UK/Sweden Message-ID: At 09:35 2002-09-24 EDT, you wrote: >Leslie West and Mountain (Corky Laing, Ritchie Scarlet) will be in the UK and >Sweden on the following dates: > >10/30 - London - Mean Fiddler >10/31 - Cardiff - The Point >11/01 - Swansea - Patti Pavillion >11/02 - Frome - Cheese and Grain >11/03 - Pavilion - Bisley, Surrey >11/04 - Newcastle - Opera House >11/06 - Bury - Metropole Arts Center >11/07 - Dudley - Robin Hood 2 Club >11/08 - Glasgow - Renfrew Ferry >11/10 - Sheffield - Boardwalk > >Swedish dates: > >11/13 - Malmo Sweden - KB >11/15 - Helsingborg Sweden - Tivoli >11/16 - Sala Sweden - Rockland the deal is even better, below forthcoming giglist is taken directly from the Stray homepage http://www.delbromhamstray.co.uk October: Wednesday 30th: The Mean Fiddler, London Thursday 31st: The Point, Cardiff November: Friday 1st: Patti Pavillion, Swansea. Saturday 2nd: Cheese and Grain, Frome. Sunday 3rd: The Pavillion, Bisley. Monday 4th: The Opera House, Newcastle. Wednesday 6th: Metropole Arts Centre, Bury. Thursday 7th: Robin Hood 2 Club, Dudley. Friday 8th: Renfrewshire Ferry, Glasgow. Sunday 10th: The Boardwalk, Sheffield. Wednesday 13th: KB Klub, Malmo Friday 15th: Tivoli, Helsingborg Saturday 16th: Rockland, Sala. >Be there! > >Bill would be very happy if I could make it on the last show of the list. http://www.ROCKLAND.nu peace and levitation, .joe From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Sep 24 13:19:31 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:19:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into creating it. Colm From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Tue Sep 24 13:26:52 2002 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:26:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: All Bedouin dates are on http://www.bedouin.info and the Letchworth gig is on there Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that the > Letchworth gig is now off? > Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! > > Nick > From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Sep 24 14:45:04 2002 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (M&J Storer) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:45:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hear Bloody Hear!!, the site is excellent. I think some people aren't happy unless they're whingeing Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colm McWilliams" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it > easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into > creating it. > > Colm From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Sep 24 17:11:17 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:11:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple/Dr. Feelgood in Schweiz Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, I've attended my first concert in a foreign country where English is not the primary language spoken. Of course, it *was* the primary language spoken on stage, which was an interesting twist. I'm speaking of the 2002 Schupfart Rock Festival held outside the 'city' limits of the bustling metropolis of Schupfart, Switzerland, which has no traffic lights and a population of something like 250, not including dairy cows. It does, however, have a small airstrip which hosted the festival (though I never actually saw tarmac and but one low-flying plane coming in for landing). Since I've only just arrived here, I hardly know anyone's name let alone their musical taste, and plus I've never hesitated to wander off on my own for concerts and such. So I simply found out what the nearest train station was, and jumped aboard the west-going train with my backpack full with tent and sleeping bag (I did email the organizers just to make sure camping was available, knowing I couldn't return on the train late at night from such a distant locale). I alit at Eiken station (just past halfway between Zurich and Basel) and had no problem finding the road south to Schupfart (it was the *only* road out of town). Unfortunately, I then learned that not all of Switzerland is equally friendly toward bicycling/hiking as is this area around the River Aare! This narrow, winding two-lane road had almost no shoulder to speak of, and the Swiss often drive for 'sport' from what I can tell. Potentially dangerous. However, very little traffic was coming down the hill toward me on my four-mile hike, whereas I noticed (as the hour passed and it came closer to starting time) that there was a hell of a lot of traffic passing me from behind on the other side of the road! Short of counting cars, I came to the conclusion that this event was going to be larger than the 2,000 or so I expected to be there when I first considered going. I mean, Basel (30 miles away) isn't really a booming metropolis and there probably weren't five locals under the age of 50, so... But when I finally reached the summit, I could see that this was indeed a festival of some note. I came to the gate to discover where tickets could be purchased and inquire about camping. Upon paying my 69 SFr. (a little steep but worth it in the end), I gleaned "No problem, no charge for camping and camp wherever you like (over 'that' way)" from the few English words that were offered in response to a sputtering word or two in German ('zeltplatz?') from myself. Well, of course, like every other experience I've had on trains and such here, I ended up planted firmly in someone else's reserved spot, so eventually I trudged down to the open spot near the end and set up my camp as dusk was setting. I was still thinking this was truly 'open-air' but then I discovered that they'd erected a huge tent next to the airstrip (hence, no tarmac visible) and when I got inside saw that the dimensions were large enough to hold five figures. And I'd guess in the end that there were about 10,000 jammed into there. It was a cool night, but it was plenty warm from body heat and from the sausage grill. Lots of beer was available and reasonably priced ($3 equivalent for a half-liter) compared to the food which was much steeper. I didn't bother much with that, and stuck with the liquid refreshment. Some Swiss band called Mash was up first and they'd started by the time I entered...pretty lame stuff really, *very* AOR pop-rock white bread stuff - somewhere between Huey Lewis and Journey. They had a gold disc ceremony (however many that is in Switz. with a pop. of just 7 million I dunno) before their closing number and they did seem to be fairly popular in the area. In fact, the next day I saw their CD prominently displayed in a local store so I guess they're not just a bunch of no-names (though they should be). Dr. Feelgood was up next after just a short break. As I suggested before, I'd never heard of them before, but they are indeed an old UK blues-rock band of some note. And they were quite fun and people really liked them too. They did a mix of more up-tempo rhythm & blues with the occasional more-sultry delta blues jam. On those, guitarist Steve Walwyn (I had to look that name up - sounded like Steve Woolery to my ears when he was introduced) would take over for long periods of time on his vintage Telecaster...not much slide action, but it was typical blues guitar and nicely done. "Down at the Jetty Blues" was the one 15-min. jam that worked really nicely and people really liked. There was one short single-length track that I thought I might have recognized, and it got a lot of applause too...might have been "She's a Wind Up" I dunno. I know they played that one anyway, as well as one called "Down at the Doctor's." Robert Kane is the group's new vocalist, and I guess he's been associated with the Animals at some time in the past. OK voice, more of an asset on harp though IMHO. Bassist PH Mitchell and drummer Kevin Morris I guess are original members as well as Walwyn, so with the passing of the previous lead vocalist I suppose this is as legit as they can be. A bit of a longer break till Deep Purple, and right on Swiss time, they started at 11:00 PM on the nose. I'd just seen them six weeks ago in Pittsburgh, and so this wasn't going to be a big eye-opener or anything, but I was happy with some set changes throughout the show. In particular, my favorite Deep Purple song "Mary Long" I *finally* heard played live, and it was a pleasant surprise (they'd dropped it before the Pittsburgh show and so I didn't think I'd hear it this time either). I didn't really like what Steve Morse did in the guitar break there in the middle, but I didn't care - I just wanted to hear Gillan sing it and he sounded good there. Actually, he held up really well thoughout the 1:50 performance....nothing like the last 30 minutes of Black Sabbath a few years ago when Ozzy (who was doing just fine for an hour) suddenly lost it completely and couldn't hit a single note of any song the rest of the way..."Paranoid" was a trainwreck! Well, anyway, surprisingly they put "Space Truckin'" back in the set (toward the end) which is pretty challenging and he didn't lose it there either. Didn't project like he used to either, but no audible flaws. The audience was really jacked up throughout and it was quite fun to be there where music can be the communicator between people whereas the German language isn't (for me, at the moment!). Don Airey is doing better as Jon Lord's replacement these days I think, and the tete-a-tete between he and Morse during things like "Speed King" was, it seemed, as interesting as Blackmore-Lord. Only two newer tracks were offered, just like in the USA, including "Ted the Mechanic" and Morse's solo piece "Well-dressed Guitar" which I both like. And I wish there was more new stuff. After receiving a diminishing response during each successive US tour of Morse's pre-Smoke on the Water 'radio-dial flipping' (where he'd crank out 20 seconds of every classic guitar riff known to man in advance of those three famous chords), he finally bagged it by the time that they came to Pittsburgh. On the internet, *everyone* was saying they were tired of this nonsense (I kinda agreed). But here in Europe I guess, they still like it, 'cause it was back and even longer. And the crowd ate it up...and much to my dismay, most of the excitement came from 'Sweet Home Alabama' as opposed to Hendrix or Whole Lotta Love or Won't Get Fooled Again... But then maybe that's because the Saturday night event at Schupfart was the 'Country' fest and lots of folks were planning a whole weekend there? I dunno, I get the weird feeling that Europeans associate country music with *all* of America. And even though I'm from just north of the Mason-Dixon line, the cities I've lived in (Pittsburgh, Philly, Cleveland, Columbus) aren't just that way. Not like Nashville anyway. Nothing terribly wrong with southern-flavored rock, I even like Skynyrd in certain doses, but...I dunno, I guess that's all I have to say on the matter for now. Well, so around 1 AM the event came to close as the final strands of Highway Star were echoing off the neighboring hillsides, and we filed out to our various destinations. I sat up for awhile with my tent flap open watching the trail of red lights stream out into the distance while the cool fog settled in the valley. I fell asleep in a second upon finally laying down and woke up refreshed and only put off by a full bladder. That resolved, I folded up a wet somewhat-muddy tent (to be dried in my temporary room here in the PSI frat house as I've come to call it) and set off on a pleasant hike back down the hill to Eiken and parts east. One of the best things about this show was that I picked up a flier for a nearby club called Z-7 (in Pratteln, much closer to Basel) where it seems most of the cool bands come to play. Anthrax is listed there, so I assume that will also have Motorhead on the bill? Oddly enough, Glenn Hughes and Joe Lynn Turner (Deep Purple vets both) were playing there the night before Deep Purple at Schupfart. But the interesting show coming (for me) is Birth Control and Jane doing a show together on October 18. I would say my first 'krautrock' concert here, but I hope to travel to Stuttgart on October 5th to see Guru Guru before this, so probably my second. Alice Cooper is coming as well. And I think the Gathering will show up shortly according to my sources. Well, that's my concert report, completely unrelated in any way to Hawkwind or Blue Oyster Cult, but there you have it. Grakkl (FAA) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Sep 24 17:26:34 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:26:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Absolutely. Look at these shoes, I've not had 'em a week and the soles are wearing though already, and when are we going to get a fine day? And I'm sick and tired of this office... I'm with Jon. :-( I appreciate the hard work that's gone into the site (no, really, I do!), as that's what I do (and have done for quite some years!) for a living. I'm quite prepared to offer any help I can to make it a good, informative and entertaining site if Rik would like to mail me off list. (Look - there you go Rik - an olive branch!) :-) Cheers, Rich. > Hear Bloody Hear!!, the site is excellent. > I think some people aren't happy unless they're whingeing > Mark > > > I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it > > easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into > > creating it. > > > > Colm > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 24 17:40:27 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:40:27 +0100 Subject: Judge Trev's astounding new album Message-ID: GOD AND MAN The new album from Judge Trev Musicians: Judge Trev, Dino Ferari, Rick Welsh, Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree, Dr Syntax What the media says: "I just listened to the CD .. he man .. I REALLY love it!!! .. all aspects .. the folk basic .. the songs .. the brass etc. etc. .. great! Really one of those releases that immediately went to the *to keep forever* section!" Lord Litter, Radio Marabu "Although I can't claim to have been present at the conception - some of the songs dating back to his early youth - I do have the good fortune to have been there for much of the pregnancy, watching and hearing as God & Man went from rough acoustic demos to, finally, the album on sale now; it was some journey! When Trev told me who he was using as backup musicians - guys like Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge and Ermano "Dino Ferrari" Erba my only fear was they they might overwhelm the subtlety of the original tracks and hide the beauty within - I shouldn't have worried. Beauty?? Subtlety??? On an album by Judge Trev - infamous hard rockin' anti-hero survivor of the psychedelic wars??? Surely he jests?!? No way honky, this album is really something special. Like I said, some of the songs go back a long way - there are sea shanty type numbers based on his fathers war experiences, hymns to taking lsd at the seaside and any number of delicately wrought SONGS on which for once we can appreciate just what a fine voice - and pen - Judge Trev has been covering up with loud guitars all these years. There are plenty of guitars here of course, and mighty fine they are too, but there is also a maturity of vision and a depth of songwriting that shows a craftsman at work. The nearest comparison I've come up with is the folkier side of Bevis Frond and I swear any fan of theirs will love this, and any Judge Trev/ICU?Hawkfan with any taste at all will lap it up too; some of these tunes stick in your brainpan for weeks!... but hey, I'm biased, check out some of the soundbites on this site and hear for yourself. Better still buy the fucker, it is one hell of a debut solo for a man with a well ground axe." Tim Rundall editor U.H.C.K. magazine (fairies/deviants etc etc) GOD AND MAN ?10.50 U.K - ?11 Europe - $18 U.S.A. and rest of world - including postage Send cheques, I.M.O.s, postal orders to Real Festival Music 34a Upper Lewes Road Brighton East Sussex BN2 3FH UK For more info and credit card orders go to: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev ...or visit our website: Real Festival Music www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's News Forum Healers Video Downloads to be removed from RFM updates, reply with "Remove" From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Sep 24 19:15:08 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:15:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <002c01c263ee$8fc65020$a1296bd5@gypo> Message-ID: Me too - keep it up Rik. Horse On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it > easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into > creating it. > > Colm From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Sep 24 19:19:52 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:19:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: Hi - The Letchworth GIG had to be pulled due to problems at the venue - it's hoped to set up one there soon though.... The new Bedouin site at www.bedouin.info will be live in 2 days. Thanx On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:26:52 +0100, Roger wrote: >All Bedouin dates are on >http://www.bedouin.info >and the Letchworth gig is on there >Roger > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick Lee" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > > >> Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that >the >> Letchworth gig is now off? >> Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! >> >> Nick >> From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Sep 25 01:36:46 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:46 -0600 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. Guido Horse wrote: >Me too - keep it up Rik. > >Horse > >On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > > > >>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it >>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into >>creating it. >> >>Colm >> >> > > > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 25 02:08:25 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:08:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: Cheers, I'm away at the mo' & couldn't remember the url for that. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > All Bedouin dates are on > http://www.bedouin.info > and the Letchworth gig is on there > Roger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > > > > Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that > the > > Letchworth gig is now off? > > Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! > > > > Nick > > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 25 02:10:55 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:10:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: However the Letchworth gig now seems to have gone from there too. Its just Crewe & Walthamstow. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > All Bedouin dates are on > http://www.bedouin.info > and the Letchworth gig is on there > Roger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Lee" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > > > > Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that > the > > Letchworth gig is now off? > > Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! > > > > Nick > > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 25 02:12:18 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:12:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead Message-ID: There I go replying without reading all my mail again.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > Hi - The Letchworth GIG had to be pulled due to problems > at the venue - it's hoped to set up one there soon though.... > > The new Bedouin site at www.bedouin.info will be live in 2 days. > > Thanx > > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:26:52 +0100, Roger > wrote: > > >All Bedouin dates are on > >http://www.bedouin.info > >and the Letchworth gig is on there > >Roger > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Nick Lee" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Harvey/House/Spacehead > > > > > >> Do I assume correctly, from its disappearance from Mission Control, that > >the > >> Letchworth gig is now off? > >> Shame 'cos that's reasonably local for me and a Friday! > >> > >> Nick > >> From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Sep 25 02:15:15 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:15:15 -0600 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Wow, I ought to dump crap and do science for a living! Clearly, you can put a total piece of diatribe in your email, and a significant portion of your ego will love it! The heck with worrying about friendship, tolerance, encouraging others and compatibility. Oh, and before you bestow sainthood on me, I do believe I PAID myself to write this. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Vacano" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > > Guido > > Horse wrote: > > >Me too - keep it up Rik. > > > >Horse > > > >On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > > > > > > > >>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it > >>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into > >>creating it. > >> > >>Colm > >> > >> > > > > > > From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 02:45:16 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:45:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: what is it with some of you people? its not crap and its not fair that you can just dismiss the websitelike that. Lke i said i like the look of the site, i have never had a problem navigating it and its never ever crashed my browser. Also clerly it doesn't matter how you design you site cos there was be a significant number of whinging hawkwind fans that will spout on about how crap is is. Colm > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > > Guido > > Horse wrote: > > >Me too - keep it up Rik. > > > >Horse > > > >On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > > > > > > > >>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it > >>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into > >>creating it. > >> > >>Colm > >> > >> > > > > > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 04:15:03 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I agree with Colm, I've never had a problem with the web site ever !!!!!!!!!.. I use Netscape 7.0 (yeah I know, but hey I work for the company ), I also use IE 5.x and never get a problem....Oh and im using win2K. Regards iain mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK wrote: >what is it with some of you people? > >its not crap and its not fair that you can just dismiss the websitelike >that. Lke i said i like the look of the site, i have never had a problem >navigating it and its never ever crashed my browser. > >Also clerly it doesn't matter how you design you site cos there was be a >significant number of whinging hawkwind fans that will spout on about how >crap is is. > >Colm > > > >>Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, >>you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion >>of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, >>navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you >>bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. >> >>Guido >> >>Horse wrote: >> >> >> >>>Me too - keep it up Rik. >>> >>>Horse >>> >>>On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find >>>> >>>> >it > > >>>>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put >>>> >>>> >into > > >>>>creating it. >>>> >>>>Colm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 25 04:36:00 2002 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:00 +0000 Subject: Guido Message-ID: I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! >From: Guido Vacano >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:46 -0600 > >Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, >you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion >of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, >navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you >bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > >Guido > >Horse wrote: > >>Me too - keep it up Rik. >> >>Horse >> >>On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: >> >> >> >>>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find >>>it >>>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into >>>creating it. >>> >>>Colm >>> >>> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 07:07:39 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:07:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple/Dr. Feelgood in Schweiz Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:11:17 +0200, Henderson Keith wrote: >Dr. Feelgood was up next after just a short break. There was one short single-length >track that I thought I might have recognized, and it got a lot of applause >too...might have been "She's a Wind Up" I dunno. My guess is "Milk and Alcohol", their one and only hit single. NM From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Sep 25 08:34:27 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:34:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <002c01c263ee$8fc65020$a1296bd5@gypo> Message-ID: Yea What he said. Great site Mike ________________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone. -- Anthony Burgess ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Colm McWilliams ::Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:20 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website :: :: ::I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find it ::easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put into ::creating it. :: ::Colm From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 25 09:03:34 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:03:34 +0800 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I agree with Colm also. Nothing wrong with what Rik's doing. What you guys forget is that he keeps us informed. He doesn't have to do that! I use OE and it's run be windows ME. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > I agree with Colm, > > I've never had a problem with the web site ever !!!!!!!!!.. I use > Netscape 7.0 (yeah I know, but hey I work for the company ), I also use > IE 5.x and never get a problem....Oh and im using win2K. > > > Regards > iain > > mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK wrote: > > >what is it with some of you people? > > > >its not crap and its not fair that you can just dismiss the websitelike > >that. Lke i said i like the look of the site, i have never had a problem > >navigating it and its never ever crashed my browser. > > > >Also clerly it doesn't matter how you design you site cos there was be a > >significant number of whinging hawkwind fans that will spout on about how > >crap is is. > > > >Colm > > > > > > > >>Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > >>you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > >>of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > >>navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > >>bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > >> > >>Guido > >> > >>Horse wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Me too - keep it up Rik. > >>> > >>>Horse > >>> > >>>On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find > >>>> > >>>> > >it > > > > > >>>>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put > >>>> > >>>> > >into > > > > > >>>>creating it. > >>>> > >>>>Colm > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 25 08:56:28 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:56:28 -0400 Subject: Guido In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote: => I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my => contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than => your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it => now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something => happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now => would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! What are you, the thought police? This is disgraceful. Guido has been on this list literally for years, and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made many positive contributions to the list and its society. What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so cloying on BOC-L now. It seems there is little tolerance for dissenting voices. You can't dislike the Web site. You can't complain about the band. You can't like Nik because you are being disloyal to Dave. You can't do this, you can't do that. The Emperor is wearing a fine set of threads. The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive thing. I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion. I'll "STFU" now. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained... yet." --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 25 09:04:12 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:04:12 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C?= In-Reply-To: <20020925125628.GA8029@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 25 Sep 2002, at 8:56, Paul Mather wrote: > The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the > other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling > fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... > Hey, I bet those moron fanboys are busy discussing A Long Day's Night! Anyone besides me buy it yesterday? theo From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 25 09:14:56 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:14:56 +0800 Subject: Guido Message-ID: Paul sang to us: >You can't do this, you can't do that. BOC-L can't go forward and it can't go back.... From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 25 09:21:53 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:21:53 -0400 Subject: Guido In-Reply-To: <007001c26495$8b6ee300$0b00d9cb@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:14:56PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: => Paul sang to us: => => >You can't do this, you can't do that. => => BOC-L can't go forward and it can't go back.... The ironic thing is that I was wondering what the lyrics are to "Right to Decide" when I wrote that sentence, but, when I tried to look them up in "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" on the official Web site, I couldn't find them... :-\ Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Scruton.Jason at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Sep 25 09:14:29 2002 From: Scruton.Jason at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Jason, Scruton) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:14:29 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_B=D6C?= Message-ID: > On 25 Sep 2002, at 8:56, Paul Mather wrote: > > > The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to > scoff at "the > > other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of > uncritical drooling > > fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... Don't we all yearn to play the cowbell? There should be a cowbell only "hidden track" on the DFtR best of (call it the christopher walken mix...) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 25 09:36:43 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:36:43 +0800 Subject: Guido Message-ID: You should have just asked me :-) Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Guido > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:14:56PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > => Paul sang to us: > => > => >You can't do this, you can't do that. > => > => BOC-L can't go forward and it can't go back.... > > The ironic thing is that I was wondering what the lyrics are to "Right > to Decide" when I wrote that sentence, but, when I tried to look them > up in "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" on the official > Web site, I couldn't find them... :-\ > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Sep 25 09:37:04 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:37:04 -0600 Subject: Guido Message-ID: Guido's original post said roughly: "a significant portion of the audience will love... [any piece of crap]" This goes beyond expressing an opinion. It goes beyond a simple complaint. It's an implicit insult to Colm's opinion. It implies that: 1) Colm's opinion is worthless compared to Guido's, and the website is crap 2) Colm is stupid for thinking that this crap is good Now, Paul, I understand the beauty of freedom of speech, and I do not wish to become the thought police. Mark gets in trouble for bashing Guido, but why does Guido not get in trouble for bashing Colm? He went beyond expressing his opinion about aesthetics & navigation. Reread that message and see how you can not be insulted if your name is Colm, or if you are one of his friends. Why do we have to fight on this list? Why can't Colm say he enjoys the website, and Guido can say how he wishes it was totally redesigned, and nobody insult the other? And now Paul, who is another friend of mine that I do not wish to offend, tells us we should not bash Guido (who bashed Colm), and he's right. But maybe this advice was a bit slow, and should have been directed to Guido, as he seems to be the original voice to crush dissenting opinion on the matter. "Guido, don't become the thought police. Just because you don't like the website does not mean that intelligent people elsewhere might enjoy the sense of mystique and the curious structure that embodies its design. Dissenting opinion is a good thing in a diverse group of people." Peace and Hawkwind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Guido > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote: > => I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my > => contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than > => your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it > => now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something > => happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now > => would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! > > What are you, the thought police? > > This is disgraceful. Guido has been on this list literally for years, > and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made > many positive contributions to the list and its society. > > What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so > cloying on BOC-L now. It seems there is little tolerance for > dissenting voices. You can't dislike the Web site. You can't > complain about the band. You can't like Nik because you are being > disloyal to Dave. You can't do this, you can't do that. The Emperor > is wearing a fine set of threads. > > The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the > other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling > fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... > > It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive > thing. > > I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion. I'll "STFU" now. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained... yet." > --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 25 09:49:52 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:49:52 +0800 Subject: Guido Message-ID: Paul wrote: > The ironic thing is that I was wondering what the lyrics are to "Right > to Decide" when I wrote that sentence, but, when I tried to look them > up in "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" on the official > Web site, I couldn't find them... :-\ Okay, I'm gonna teach you all how to use Rik's site. 1. Go to favourites and click on Hawkwind Mission Control 2. Click on the spinning little square. You'll find that in the centre of the page. 3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor on it and you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" 4. Click on "Control" 5. Click on "Catalogue" 6. Click on lyrics Hope this helps Bill From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 10:03:54 2002 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: Hi all, In an attempt to defuse any bad feeling on this board, would anyone like to speculate on how long Hawkwind's set will be when they support Motorhead and Anthrax at Wembley in October? As a second support band, I guess they would get say between 30-45min max. What whould you put in the set list in an attempt to keep the metal heads happy, but still retain that HW vibe? Here is my input: Into/Deathtrap Assault and Battery/Golden Void The Watcher Brainbox Pollution Motorhead Cheers, Andy From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Sep 25 10:06:39 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:06:39 +0100 Subject: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: I presume HW will be on first at 6pm then? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ball To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 25/09/02 15:03 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Hi all, In an attempt to defuse any bad feeling on this board, would anyone like to speculate on how long Hawkwind's set will be when they support Motorhead and Anthrax at Wembley in October? As a second support band, I guess they would get say between 30-45min max. What whould you put in the set list in an attempt to keep the metal heads happy, but still retain that HW vibe? Here is my input: Into/Deathtrap Assault and Battery/Golden Void The Watcher Brainbox Pollution Motorhead Cheers, Andy From novadrive at COX.NET Wed Sep 25 10:14:25 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:14:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <3D914B6E.5000907@attbi.com> Message-ID: I bet there's a significant portion of the population, who on hearing Hawkwind for the first time, might say "Wow, I ought stop being a *plumber* (or fill in the blank) and be a Rock Star, if that's all there is to it, playing boring, droning, simplistic, unorganized music. And getting paid for it!" KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:37 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > > Guido From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 10:23:12 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: 50 minutes;) Night of the Hawk LSD Sword of the East (because Bedouin played a blinding version on Saturday) The Watcher Brainbox Pollution Brainstorm Master of the Universe OK, maybe wishful thinking on the last 2. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100, Andy Ball wrote: >Hi all, > >In an attempt to defuse any bad feeling on this board, would anyone like to >speculate on how long Hawkwind's set will be when they support Motorhead >and Anthrax at Wembley in October? > >As a second support band, I guess they would get say between 30-45min max. > >What whould you put in the set list in an attempt to keep the metal heads >happy, but still retain that HW vibe? > >Here is my input: > >Into/Deathtrap >Assault and Battery/Golden Void >The Watcher >Brainbox Pollution >Motorhead > > >Cheers, > >Andy From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Sep 25 10:27:12 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:27:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: I reckon they'll finish with Silver Machine and Lemmy on bass -----Original Message----- From: Colin Allen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 25/09/02 15:23 Subject: Re: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig 50 minutes;) Night of the Hawk LSD Sword of the East (because Bedouin played a blinding version on Saturday) The Watcher Brainbox Pollution Brainstorm Master of the Universe OK, maybe wishful thinking on the last 2. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100, Andy Ball wrote: >Hi all, > >In an attempt to defuse any bad feeling on this board, would anyone like to >speculate on how long Hawkwind's set will be when they support Motorhead >and Anthrax at Wembley in October? > >As a second support band, I guess they would get say between 30-45min max. > >What whould you put in the set list in an attempt to keep the metal heads >happy, but still retain that HW vibe? > >Here is my input: > >Into/Deathtrap >Assault and Battery/Golden Void >The Watcher >Brainbox Pollution >Motorhead > > >Cheers, > >Andy From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Sep 25 10:41:06 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:41:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: After that blistering version of Stairway to the Stars I ran to my room, put on my "On Tour Forever" shirt and started thrashing around like there was no tomorrow. What a trip! Positives: Buck Dharma Buck Dharma Buck Dharma I can hear Allen Lanier's keys! And they sound great. Eric on Stairway, OD'd and Lips The recording sounds polished, but not too slick Perfect Water Lips in the Hills Reaper never sounded so good live Crowd singing along Danny Miranda & Bobby Rondinelli driving the sound 78 minutes! Negatives: No Flaming Telepaths The Big 3. Again. Eric on Astronomy, Cities on Flame and between song banter The BOC symbol used to be a cool accent. With the stage set, Eric's guitars and the rest of the album art, it gets a little chronos-crazy Bobby's fills were overblown at times Some aspects of the show (like the long pause in Cities) don't play as well without the visual Seeing the track listing was like opening my Christmas present early. I'm so glad they included Stairway and Quicklime Girl! Flaming Telepaths is probably better when you can see the strobes anyway. ;-) After listening to it a few times, I'd put it as my 2nd favorite BOC live CD after OYF, though they couldn't come close to topping the version of Astronomy on SEE. Minor quibbles aside, this is definitely the live album I've been waiting for from BOC! Brian From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Sep 25 11:08:16 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:08:16 -0600 Subject: Guido Message-ID: Bryan, you have a very good point. My intent, however poorly expressed, was not to imply that Colm (or anyone else here for that matter) is stupid or that his (or anyone else's) opinion is worthless. It just irritates the hell out of me that so many people are gushing over what is clearly (IMnsHO) a piece of crap (at least, I seem to have conveyed that). I agree, let's not bash anyone. I'll merely go on record as saying I really hate the goddamn "official" Hawkwind web site, and while I might describe it as just short of barely adequate as a volunteer effort (no, I won't even be that charitable), as a commercial effort, it's a complete disaster. I think it'd make a great textbook example of what not to do in web design. I guess I'll do Mark Cotton a favor and > SHUT THE F*CK UP! . . . for now. :-) Thanks, Guido Bryan Young wrote: >Guido's original post said roughly: >"a significant portion of the audience will love... [any piece of crap]" > >This goes beyond expressing an opinion. It goes beyond a simple complaint. >It's an implicit insult to Colm's opinion. It implies that: > >1) Colm's opinion is worthless compared to Guido's, and the website is crap >2) Colm is stupid for thinking that this crap is good > >Now, Paul, I understand the beauty of freedom of speech, and I do not wish >to become the thought police. Mark gets in trouble for bashing Guido, but >why does Guido not get in trouble for bashing Colm? > >He went beyond expressing his opinion about aesthetics & navigation. Reread >that message and see how you can not be insulted if your name is Colm, or if >you are one of his friends. > >Why do we have to fight on this list? Why can't Colm say he enjoys the >website, and Guido can say how he wishes it was totally redesigned, and >nobody insult the other? And now Paul, who is another friend of mine that I >do not wish to offend, tells us we should not bash Guido (who bashed Colm), >and he's right. But maybe this advice was a bit slow, and should have been >directed to Guido, as he seems to be the original voice to crush dissenting >opinion on the matter. > >"Guido, don't become the thought police. Just because you don't like the >website does not mean that intelligent people elsewhere might enjoy the >sense of mystique and the curious structure that embodies its design. >Dissenting opinion is a good thing in a diverse group of people." > >Peace and Hawkwind. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Mather" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:56 AM >Subject: Re: Guido > > > > >>On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote: >>=> I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least >> >> >my > > >>=> contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other >> >> >than > > >>=> your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion >> >> >of it > > >>=> now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time >> >> >something > > >>=> happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert >> >> >approval. Now > > >>=> would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! >> >>What are you, the thought police? >> >>This is disgraceful. Guido has been on this list literally for years, >>and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made >>many positive contributions to the list and its society. >> >>What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so >>cloying on BOC-L now. It seems there is little tolerance for >>dissenting voices. You can't dislike the Web site. You can't >>complain about the band. You can't like Nik because you are being >>disloyal to Dave. You can't do this, you can't do that. The Emperor >>is wearing a fine set of threads. >> >>The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the >>other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling >>fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... >> >>It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive >>thing. >> >>I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion. I'll "STFU" now. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Paul. >> >>e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> >>"We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained... yet." >> --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" >> >> > > > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Sep 25 11:10:47 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:10:47 -0600 Subject: Guido Message-ID: That works great iff: 1. You use Internet Exploder. 2. You have JavaScript enabled. 3. You actually have MC in your favorites list. :-) Guido Bill & Cynthia wrote: >Paul wrote: > > >>The ironic thing is that I was wondering what the lyrics are to "Right >>to Decide" when I wrote that sentence, but, when I tried to look them >>up in "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" on the official >>Web site, I couldn't find them... :-\ >> >> > >Okay, I'm gonna teach you all how to use Rik's site. > >1. Go to favourites and click on Hawkwind Mission Control >2. Click on the spinning little square. You'll find that in the centre of >the page. >3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor on it and >you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" >4. Click on "Control" >5. Click on "Catalogue" >6. Click on lyrics > >Hope this helps >Bill > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 25 12:08:28 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:08:28 -0400 Subject: Right to Decide lyrics (was Re: Guido) In-Reply-To: <01c901c2649a$6cf2fc40$0b00d9cb@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:49:52PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: => Paul wrote: => > The ironic thing is that I was wondering what the lyrics are to "Right => > to Decide" when I wrote that sentence, but, when I tried to look them => > up in "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" on the official => > Web site, I couldn't find them... :-\ => => Okay, I'm gonna teach you all how to use Rik's site. Um... okay. => 1. Go to favourites and click on Hawkwind Mission Control I don't have a favourites, but I did manage to dredge up the URL for "Hawkwind Mission Control" via a Google search. :-) => 2. Click on the spinning little square. You'll find that in the centre of => the page. Okey dokey. => 3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor on it and => you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" I don't see a little red eye anywhere in the browser window. (I looked top to bottom, left to right.) => 4. Click on "Control" => 5. Click on "Catalogue" => 6. Click on lyrics Sorry, I couldn't follow these last three steps. (See above.) But, I did manage to find a direct URL to the Lyrics section of Mission Control via another handy Google search. (Incidentally, it's from the "Catalogue" section I got the "The only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" quote I used in a previous message.:) Going to the "R" section, I am offered: Reefer Madness The Right Stuff Robot Rocky Paths Running Through the Backbrain So has "Right to Decide" been reclassified as an intrumental, now? ;-) (It's not filed under "Decide, Right to," either---I checked.) => Hope this helps Thanks for the help. I think I'll try and hunt down the unofficial BOC-L Hawkwind lyrics file, because I dimly recall it having "Right to Decide" (or at least the BOC-L attempt at transcribing it). At any rate, it seemed to be a bit more complete than "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics..." >;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 25 12:22:20 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:22:20 -0400 Subject: Right to Decide lyrics (was Re: Guido) In-Reply-To: <20020925160828.GA8863@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:08:28PM -0400, Paul Mather wrote: => => 3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor on it and => => you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" => => I don't see a little red eye anywhere in the browser window. (I => looked top to bottom, left to right.) => => => 4. Click on "Control" => => 5. Click on "Catalogue" => => 6. Click on lyrics => => Sorry, I couldn't follow these last three steps. (See above.) But, I => did manage to find a direct URL to the Lyrics section of Mission => Control via another handy Google search. Gauche to follow up myself, I know, but I discovered by accident that after a while the site will mysteriously "go" of its own accord to some kind of front page (even when you're in the middle of reading something) that contains a "site menu" that has the "Catalogue" section as a link. It also harasses me repeatedly about downloading a Flash plugin, but I digress... I still couldn't find the "Right to Decide" lyrics, though. (Nor could I find "The Camera That Could Lie," for that matter. To where are all the authoritarian/conspiracy lyrics disappearing, I wonder?:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Sep 25 13:49:14 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:49:14 -0400 Subject: Guido Message-ID: >Okay, I'm gonna teach you all how to use Rik's site. > >1. Go to favourites and click on Hawkwind Mission Control >2. Click on the spinning little square. You'll find that in the centre of >the page. >3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor on it and >you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" >4. Click on "Control" >5. Click on "Catalogue" >6. Click on lyrics Once again, I'm not taking sides here, but I just followed these 6 steps and my browser crashed as soon as the lyrics page loaded. Check the BOC-L archives and you'll see that I mentioned this particular problem almost exactly 11 months ago. Appearance/layout/flashy bits etc are subjective, and people should be allowed to air their aesthetic differences here, but actual operation is not subjective and the official Hawkwind website should work properly. 11 months ago I offered to help with the problem and I'll repeat the offer - I've got access to a wide range of MS OS's and browsers, and if Rik contacts me I'll be happy to try and help pinpoint the problem. Stephan From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Sep 25 14:25:25 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:25:25 -0400 Subject: Aesthetic vs Platform issues (was: Guido) In-Reply-To: <200209251749.NAA20636@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Stephan Forstner ::Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:49 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: Guido :: :: ::>Okay, I'm gonna teach you all how to use Rik's site. ::> ::>1. Go to favourites and click on Hawkwind Mission Control ::>2. Click on the spinning little square. You'll find that in the centre of ::>the page. ::>3. You'll see a little red eye - just position your mouse cursor ::on it and ::>you'll see "Control," "Home" 0r "Close" ::>4. Click on "Control" ::>5. Click on "Catalogue" ::>6. Click on lyrics :: ::Once again, I'm not taking sides here, but I just followed these 6 steps ::and my browser crashed as soon as the lyrics page loaded. Check the BOC-L ::archives and you'll see that I mentioned this particular problem almost ::exactly 11 months ago. Appearance/layout/flashy bits etc are subjective, ::and people should be allowed to air their aesthetic differences here, but ::actual operation is not subjective and the official Hawkwind ::website should ::work properly. 11 months ago I offered to help with the problem and I'll ::repeat the offer - I've got access to a wide range of MS OS's and ::browsers, ::and if Rik contacts me I'll be happy to try and help pinpoint the problem. :: ::Stephan Hi all I think we should separate the aesthetic from the platform issues. If you don't like the way it looks that is one thing. If it doesn't work mechanically for you that is another. For me I just loaded the lyrics page on with my browser. I am using the IE version 6.0.2800.1106 with the sp1 update. No crash and no problems. My base OS is 98SE with all the updates. However using the Latest and Greatest Netscape 7.0 (why they still make this is beyond me) the floating applet for eye does not appear so it makes navigating almost impossible in Flash. IMHO The site works fine mechanically and I think it is aesthetically pleasing. But getting back to the original branching of this thread. People should be able to say what they feel and not feel they will be persecuted for not toeing the imaginary company line. Best to all Mike ________________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone. -- Anthony Burgess From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 25 14:55:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:55:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: Good suggestions ... I would definitely add "Kings of Speed" (especially!!) and "Urban Guerilla". Although would it not be a bit weird for HW to play "the Watcher" and/or "Motorhead" while opening for Motorhead ... ? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:12 -0400, Colin Allen wrote: >50 minutes;) > >Night of the Hawk >LSD >Sword of the East (because Bedouin played a blinding version on Saturday) >The Watcher >Brainbox Pollution >Brainstorm >Master of the Universe > >OK, maybe wishful thinking on the last 2. > > >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100, Andy Ball >wrote: >> >>Here is my input: >> >>Into/Deathtrap >>Assault and Battery/Golden Void >>The Watcher >>Brainbox Pollution >>Motorhead From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Sep 25 15:11:23 2002 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:11:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: Kings of Speed would be great. Also, when was the last time Motorhead played "Motorhead" in concert. I say it's time to bring it back! Dan Ductor -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:jasret at MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Good suggestions ... I would definitely add "Kings of Speed" (especially!!) and "Urban Guerilla". Although would it not be a bit weird for HW to play "the Watcher" and/or "Motorhead" while opening for Motorhead ... ? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:12 -0400, Colin Allen wrote: >50 minutes;) > >Night of the Hawk >LSD >Sword of the East (because Bedouin played a blinding version on Saturday) >The Watcher >Brainbox Pollution >Brainstorm >Master of the Universe > >OK, maybe wishful thinking on the last 2. > > >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100, Andy Ball >wrote: >> >>Here is my input: >> >>Into/Deathtrap >>Assault and Battery/Golden Void >>The Watcher >>Brainbox Pollution >>Motorhead From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Sep 25 15:16:46 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:16:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: This looks like a Kings of Speed campaign then. Never been played in full live to my knowledge and what a perfect song for a Hawkwind/Motorhead gig. -----Original Message----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 25/09/02 20:11 Subject: Re: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Kings of Speed would be great. Also, when was the last time Motorhead played "Motorhead" in concert. I say it's time to bring it back! Dan Ductor -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:jasret at MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Good suggestions ... I would definitely add "Kings of Speed" (especially!!) and "Urban Guerilla". Although would it not be a bit weird for HW to play "the Watcher" and/or "Motorhead" while opening for Motorhead ... ? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:12 -0400, Colin Allen wrote: >50 minutes;) > >Night of the Hawk >LSD >Sword of the East (because Bedouin played a blinding version on Saturday) >The Watcher >Brainbox Pollution >Brainstorm >Master of the Universe > >OK, maybe wishful thinking on the last 2. > > >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:54 +0100, Andy Ball >wrote: >> >>Here is my input: >> >>Into/Deathtrap >>Assault and Battery/Golden Void >>The Watcher >>Brainbox Pollution >>Motorhead From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 25 15:20:01 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:20:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi all Just a few lines on all the Kack.... the 'old chestnut' has emerged again, it MUST be a low news day. . . . ZZZZZZzzzzzzz...... Hey Guido - please note: I have already stated all the below before *loads* of times, and this will be my final word on the subject: PLEASE NOTE: The Mission Control site is *not mine* - it is Dave's ! We just do it for him - and once again Guido, you appear to ASSUME that we are "paid" for this... are you sure? do you have access to our accounts then? - and who the bloody hell are you to question me or anyone else on here about how we conduct business anyhow? Want to know what the financial arrangements are? ask Dave ! You also appear to know what the exact brief was in the design and layout of the site... Wow ! you MUST be well connected! As a point of note, we do the site for Dave in between our other projects, to allow him and the band to concentrate on doing important stuff like making music. Remember the music? In the last 18 months or so since we have been doing the site I have also been running two newly developing businesses and had some MAJOR personal problems, which includes losing a parent and my wife being (and remaining) seriously ill... so you are F**king lucky to have had a site to look at at all ! THE SITE IS BEING UPDATED: Now there are (just) one or two people that are uncapable of understanding this concept. I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over the odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup. Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity that goes way beyond the realm of what can be considered by most reasonable people to be 'constructive criticism'. During the update, THE CURRENT SITE WILL NOT BE MODIFIED - I really don't know how to put this in a way that you are capable of understanding. I use the word 'capable' as you are still banging on about stuff on the current pages - the new site will address all sorts of things that people have raised - even some of your comments might be noted ! Yes I KNOW there are some lyrics pages that need to go up and all sorts of other little things, but as I have told you over and over these will all be addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE so for god's sake stop repeating yourself like a stuck record - what do you really expect to achieve? THE SITE IS BEING CHANGED - sorry, but I can only supply the facts; I'm not in a position to give you the ability to absorb them. The new site will be online as soon as it fits in with all our other projects, and yes, the 'missing' lyrics will be updated as soon as Dave gives me them, along with a bunch of other stuff ! "CRAP DESIGN" - ok so that's your opinion and you are entitled to that - Here's mine - want an example of "crap design"? (your term) visit: http://www.spiralrealm.com/guido/ The subtle use of "under construction" pages and blind links is astounding. How we marvel at the "annoying little" spinning library-sourced animated gif's. etc etc. You are obviously the master - wa cannot complete with the sheer brillience of this site. It's astounding. By the way, www.bedouin.info comes on line Friday too, I'm sure you'll be straight in there taking the piss - after all, as your site says, you are a "web designer". Rx From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Sep 25 14:09:15 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:09:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Nah, plumbers are paid more than Hawkwind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > I bet there's a significant portion of the population, who on hearing > Hawkwind for the first time, might say "Wow, I ought stop being a *plumber* > (or fill in the blank) and be a Rock Star, if that's all there is to it, > playing boring, droning, simplistic, unorganized music. And getting paid > for it!" > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:37 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > > > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > > > > Guido From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 25 15:35:27 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:35:27 EDT Subject: off: career goals In-Reply-To: <007401c264be$a96927c0$14a96fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: On 25 Sep 2002, at 19:09, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > Nah, plumbers are paid more than Hawkwind. > I didn't want to be the one to say it, but most plumbers over here make way more money than rock musicians. Wouldn't surprise me if my plumber makes more than my senator... theo From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 15:43:48 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:43:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik Rx wrote: > these will all be addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE Hey Rik, you spelt incarnation wrong. Do I win five pounds? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 25 16:11:14 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <200209251920.PAA21256@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:20:01PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: => Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always => buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... [[Long tirade and ad hominem attacks omitted.]] Like it or not, people project an official Hawkwind Internet presence onto the postings you make ("official announcements" and the likes). As such, a fusilade of condescension and belittlement from you casts a bad reflection on Hawkwind, whom you indirectly represent. It's just not a very professional way to conduct business, IMHO. The next time you choose to insult the fanbase, please be so kind as to do it off-list. Cheers, Paul. PS: As for the lyrics, why state on the site it is "the only complete database of Hawkwind lyrics" when you know a priori this is not true? I wasted time hunting all over the site for "Right to Decide," because I figured it must be there *somewhere* if the lyrics collection is *complete*. Thanks a bundle... e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 25 16:34:16 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:34:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I'm not insulted at all. I don't mind the website. Would you rather have nothing? I think its a great source of info. Whoever thinks it sucks, why not start your own site. So, for those who don't like it, what site should people go to for gig info and news on whats happening with the band? Anyone? Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:20:01PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > > => Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always > => buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity > > Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... > > [[Long tirade and ad hominem attacks omitted.]] > > Like it or not, people project an official Hawkwind Internet presence > onto the postings you make ("official announcements" and the likes). > As such, a fusilade of condescension and belittlement from you casts a > bad reflection on Hawkwind, whom you indirectly represent. It's just > not a very professional way to conduct business, IMHO. > > The next time you choose to insult the fanbase, please be so kind as > to do it off-list. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: As for the lyrics, why state on the site it is "the only complete > database of Hawkwind lyrics" when you know a priori this is not true? > I wasted time hunting all over the site for "Right to Decide," because > I figured it must be there *somewhere* if the lyrics collection is > *complete*. Thanks a bundle... > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 24 18:39:36 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (rich.warren) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:39:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I seem to be a member of the fanbase, and hmm...let me see I'm not insulted. I've also been a member of this list as long , if not longer than most. And whilst topics often come up repeatedly, this one has come up far too much. Frankly it's boring most of us sh*tless. Leave it, and get back to some real discussion. It's up to the band to do things they wish to do them, they've chosen Rik, let him get on with it. If you want to criticise, do so constructively and offlist, directly to Rik. Thanks Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:20:01PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > > => Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always > => buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity > > Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... > > [[Long tirade and ad hominem attacks omitted.]] > > Like it or not, people project an official Hawkwind Internet presence > onto the postings you make ("official announcements" and the likes). > As such, a fusilade of condescension and belittlement from you casts a > bad reflection on Hawkwind, whom you indirectly represent. It's just > not a very professional way to conduct business, IMHO. > > The next time you choose to insult the fanbase, please be so kind as > to do it off-list. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: As for the lyrics, why state on the site it is "the only complete > database of Hawkwind lyrics" when you know a priori this is not true? > I wasted time hunting all over the site for "Right to Decide," because > I figured it must be there *somewhere* if the lyrics collection is > *complete*. Thanks a bundle... > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Sep 25 16:35:49 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:35:49 +0100 Subject: HW Hawkwind at Wembley & Other Stuff In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E06AFBB06@ntguslaexs1.neuus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: Hi all I was poking about on the Arthur Brown site and saw that the one and only God of Hellfire will be joining Hawkwind on the bill. Not sure if this is with his own band or just singing with the Hawkchaps but it should be interesting whatever. On the subject of Bedouin/Harvey/Spacehead I saw them last Saturday at Rye and they were truly splendid (especially Bedouin). Seeing Bedouin and listening to them made me think about the Nik/Dave thing that's going on. For the last number (the encore - Chasing the Dragon) 4 (x)members of Hawkwind were playing (Alan/Simon/Danny/Harvey). All they needed was Dave to be there and they would have been Hawkwind (a version of anyway). They didn't need to call themselves xHawkwind or Alan Davey's Hawkwind etc. cos they can make a go of it on their own. So why can't Nik? Just about everyone who loves the Hawks would benefit and so would Nik. Just think - we might have had Nik's Space Ritual down at the Hawkfest as well! That would have been so cool. I won't be at the Wembley gig (can't stand Anthrax and hate Wembley) but I hope all who go enjoy it and that the band have a good gig. It would be awsome if there was some inter- mixing in the bands (as opposed to interbreeding which would be highly tacky!). Maybe Dave (or Alan) could play with Lemmy or Lemmy would play with the Hawks for a couple of numbers. Stay good Horse From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 17:06:49 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:06:49 +0100 Subject: HW Hawkwind at Wembley & Other Stuff Message-ID: Rye was good wasn't it? I also thought that Spacehead were splendid! The same thought struck me; however, I think the difference is that Alan is writing new songs and has a professional band. Nik, on the other hand, seems incapable of writing new material and has a totally amateur band. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: HW Hawkwind at Wembley & Other Stuff > Hi all > > I was poking about on the Arthur Brown site and saw that the one and only God of Hellfire > will be joining Hawkwind on the bill. Not sure if this is with his own band or just singing with > the Hawkchaps but it should be interesting whatever. > > On the subject of Bedouin/Harvey/Spacehead I saw them last Saturday at Rye and they > were truly splendid (especially Bedouin). Seeing Bedouin and listening to them made me > think about the Nik/Dave thing that's going on. > For the last number (the encore - Chasing the Dragon) 4 (x)members of Hawkwind were > playing (Alan/Simon/Danny/Harvey). All they needed was Dave to be there and they would > have been Hawkwind (a version of anyway). They didn't need to call themselves xHawkwind > or Alan Davey's Hawkwind etc. cos they can make a go of it on their own. So why can't Nik? > Just about everyone who loves the Hawks would benefit and so would Nik. Just think - we > might have had Nik's Space Ritual down at the Hawkfest as well! That would have been so > cool. > > I won't be at the Wembley gig (can't stand Anthrax and hate Wembley) but I hope all who go > enjoy it and that the band have a good gig. It would be awsome if there was some inter- > mixing in the bands (as opposed to interbreeding which would be highly tacky!). Maybe > Dave (or Alan) could play with Lemmy or Lemmy would play with the Hawks for a couple of > numbers. > > > > Stay good > > > Horse > From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 25 17:16:12 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:16:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <000701c264d2$eb8cd3e0$8eb53318@stepheandamy> Message-ID: In article <000701c264d2$eb8cd3e0$8eb53318 at stepheandamy>, stephe lindas writes >I'm not insulted at all. Of course not, you like the site. ( Or at least don't dislike it/find it useable) Luckily, I don't tend to think that sweeping generalisations are directed at me personally, so the comment from Rik that 'I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over the odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup.' didn't leave me feeling insulted. Not much, anyway ;o) >I don't mind the website. Would you rather have >nothing? I think its a great source of info. Whoever thinks it sucks, why >not start your own site. Unfeasible - can't see the band giving out info when they want people to see it on the official website. > So, for those who don't like it, Liking it or not isn't necessarily the issue - I find the site almost unuseable because the navigation eye doesn't show up in my non-mickey- mouse browser setup, which makes navigation a right pain in the arse. It's the only site I've found so far where basic navigation doesn't work. (In my non-M$ setup) > what site should >people go to for gig info and news on whats happening with the band? Well, not Mission Control - AFAIK they still haven't found out what happened to Ron and Jerry ;o) >Anyone? Personally, I don't need a website for that - that sort of news tends to get posted here very quickly. -- David Blair From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Wed Sep 25 17:21:42 2002 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:21:42 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C?= Message-ID: I ordered 2 copies of the DVD, one for me and one for a friend in Australia From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 17:38:46 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:38:46 +0100 Subject: off: career goals In-Reply-To: <3D91D7BD.1239.1D256BE@localhost> Message-ID: I once interviewed Lemmy for a fanzine, and he complained that he would be getting a lot more money if he was a bricklayer. AL --- Ted Jackson wrote: > On 25 Sep 2002, at 19:09, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > Nah, plumbers are paid more than Hawkwind. > > > I didn't want to be the one to say it, but most > plumbers over here make way more money than rock > musicians. Wouldn't surprise me > if my plumber makes more than my senator... > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Sep 25 17:44:49 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:44:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: So Rik, are you paid to do Mission Control, or did you generate 1800+ pages and 75 MB of stuff just for the heck of it? Regarding Spiral Realm, I have a day job, I'm not a workaholic, and I haven't had the time or inclination to finish my part of Spiral Realm. In spite of that, I typically have one or two web sites I'm working on in my free time, which is plenty. You must have noticed that my wife's section of Spiral Realm is complete. How did you like it? As for dead links, please take a look at http://eri.uchsc.edu and http://eri.uchsc.edu/chromosome21 and see if you can find any. That would actually be helpful. Finally, I'm sorry my downloaded "Under Construction" gif offends you. I didn't think "Under Construction" pages required sophisticated web design, but I guess I've learned my lesson. Would you care to send me any downloaded javascripts to liven 'em up a bit? Guido From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Sep 25 17:47:31 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:47:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: Unfortunately, living on another continent, I'm going to miss this show, But I think it'd be incredibly cool if Lemmy sat in with the band for "Time We Left This World Today". The bass riff he does is fantastic. Guido > This looks like a Kings of Speed campaign then. Never been played in full > live to my knowledge and what a perfect song for a Hawkwind/Motorhead gig. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 18:18:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:18:18 EDT Subject: Guido Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:37:23 AEDT, mark cotton writes: > I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my > contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than > your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it > now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something > happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now > would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! MWAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Luvin it! Cheers From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 25 18:34:28 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hey Guido... >So Rik, are you paid to do Mission Control, or did you generate 1800+ >pages and 75 MB of stuff just for the heck of it? The heck of it? well no, but I do have the privilage and honour of doing it as a favour to a good friend who is more than happy with the results. < > >Finally, I'm sorry my >downloaded "Under Construction" gif offends you. I didn't think >"Under Construction" pages required sophisticated web design, but >I guess I've learned my lesson. Would you care to send me any >downloaded javascripts to liven 'em up a bit? Actually, the comment reguarding animated gif's was in response to your 'critisism' of MC posted on 27th August on here: you wrote; "Silly javascript doodads downloaded from some freebie script archive, flashing text, animated gifs, and the most obnoxious navigation I've yet encountered do not a good site make". I guess you missed the subtlety. the words 'pot' and 'kettle' spring to mind for some reason. Oh ya.. I looked at the URL's you sent. ALL CRAP ! ("IMHO") :-} (c) I look forward to meeting you at a gig sometime... (I'll even buy u a pint) No need to describe yourself though - I'll easily know you - you'll be the one complaining about the lightshow being too colourful, the music being mixed "like crap" and asking members of the band to "prove" they really played on any of the albums..... If you really want to give genuine, honest constructive critisism that's fine - however if you want to play a game of attack, don't then be surprised if you get the same and more by return. Rik > >Guido From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 25 18:51:58 2002 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (M&J Storer) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:51:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik wrote: >Guido > > Oh ya.. I looked at the URL's you sent. > ALL CRAP ! ("IMHO") > > :-} (c) > Totally boring "IMHO" too Mark From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Sep 25 09:31:07 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Petronet Wireless) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:31:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Jeeez! Seems that some people act like they are paying for access to the Hawkwind site. Someone could have put it nicely, and said..."Gee, Rik, just about all of the lyrics are there, but you may have inadvertanlty left out "Right to Decide". Like he said...he's not getting paid for it, and the site does keep one informed on the latest news and shows, though informationally, it's not on the scale of Kewt Gwerer's Calvert site...which must have taken ages to put together, it still convey's information, and has a kewl theme. Nice site, and most of us appreciate your efforts, Rik! From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Sep 25 19:42:08 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: Well, the outside of these at least came as a pleasant surprise. Some of the music has to be considered second-string Hawkwind, for various reasons, and there are no new bonus tracks or anything (with a very minor exception on F&R), but I don't think you can look at these as just another rip-off by a company out to make a fast buck. Cleopatra/Purple Pyramid have clearly taken some trouble with the presentation here, and the result is releases that may be of interest to more people than just kollectors - now if they'd only taken some trouble with the actual disc contents as well... First off, the card covers are not just a sleeve, at the minimum they are well-constructed mini LP cases, with a spine that has legible lettering, and some are more elaborate. If you don't yet have any of these releases, it's unlikely that there are going to be any nicer ones coming along in the future so you might want to pick these up. If you already have previous releases of this material, then its going to depend on how much you like nice packaging. Here's a breakdown, anything pertaining to how the discs sound is subjective. Zones ----- Comes in a mini-LP sleeve. The full front and back cover artwork from the original LP is reproduced, and is nice and crisp, looking a whole lot sharper than on the previous CD reissues I've seen, very nice. They've then done the original one better by listing the dates and venues for all the tracks. Inside, the CD is in a cardboard inner sleeve, and there is also a one-sided fold-out 15" x 10" color mini-poster. The poster is a nice additon, but the picture itself is nothing special (silhouette of Dave playing guitar in front of the hawkhead graphic from the cover) and I don't think you'll want this just for the poster. The original Zones LP didn't have especially good sound, but the CD reissue (Anagram) improved it - this new version doesn't sound exactly the same as the Anagram version but I don't think it sounds better (or worse), just slightly different. This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic ------------------------------ Comes in a gatefold mini-LP sleeve, the outer cover art has gold lettering and is a reproduction of the original vinyl art, the inner gatefold photos are of the band on stage at Stonehenge (at least one of them is, I think the others are too). My LP/12" copy has red lettering on a single sleeve, so I can't be sure, but I'm guessing the new reissue reproduces the original Flicknife inner gatefold art. Once again track dates/venues have been added, but it looks like they goofed slightly and were too late to print it properly, so the extra info is on a tastefully applied small gold sticker. Once again the CD is in a cardboard inner sleeve and there is a fold-out mini-poster, this time a color shot of the band on stage at (presumably) Stonehenge. The original vinyl had pretty good sound, the Anagram CD reissue had better sound, and again, the sound here doesn't seem to be quite the same as the Anagram CD. Friends and Relations --------------------- Just like Zones, comes in a mini-LP sleeve reproducing the original Flicknife LP artwork, disc in carboard inner sleeve, mini-poster this time features a b/w photo of the '76 lineup in a garden, same photo-shoot that provided some of the pics in the Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures and Atomhenge 76 booklets. Actual disc content is not so straightforward this time though, so I'll break it down by track. 1) Who's Gonna Win the War? - here we've got the full-length version of this track, with the crashing-chords-intro that's been chopped off on all the other CD reissues I've heard (I haven't heard the first Flicknife CD comp). In fact AFAIK there is no other officially available version of this song that has this intro, they all start in with Harvey's bass line. Correct me if I'm wrong please. Good good good. 2) Golden Void - available on previous F&R CD reissues/compilations. 3) Robot - they used the butchered version. Aargh! Losers. No excuse, they could have taken the Weird 77 version and re-constructed this track, I think they're the same except that the F&R edit has Bob saying 'We're all going to end up like Robots' added over the intro. Bad bad bad. 4) Raj Neesh (ICU) - available on previous F&R CD reissues/compilations. 5) Good Girl, Bad Girl (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) - not available on previous F&R CD reissues/compilation AFAIK. I wonder where they got this from? I doubt they actually did any real work to get this particular track as opposed to the others so it must be available somewhere. I'm happy to have this on CD, probably most people won't care. Good girl. 6) Valium Ten (HW) - available on previous F&R CD reissues/compilations. 7) Human Beings (ICU) - every place I've heard this track on CD it's sounded speeded up, like they were playing a 33 at 45. This is the same. What the? If you don't have F&R on vinyl, the only way you're going to hear how this is supposed to sound is if you go to doremi.co.uk. Bad. 8) Time Centre (MMDF) - the CD version of this track on previous F&R reissues/compilations was actually longer than the original version on vinyl (the track continues past where it ends on the LP). The long version is on here. So this is the only disc with material that is possibly new to/hard to find on CD. Mixed bag regardless. Space Ritual Vol 2 ------------------ This is a beautiful package, it rivals the EMI SR remaster (I think it's actually even nicer). An accordion style gatefold opens out into 4 pages, with nice graphics and band pictures including some of Stacia in full body-painted glory. A 20 page booklet has more band photos, the band's equipment list, a tour schedule, a reproduction of the original vinyl gatefold art (outer & inner), plus an article including a story about DikMik and Del using the sub-sonics on their synths to thoroughly freak out some drug-sniffing police dogs, thereby saving the day and ensuring that the tour could continue. You don't have to feel sorry for the dogs either because Stacia comforted them right after. Then there's also a mini-poster repro of the tour programme. All the text has appeared before in the EMI SR remaster second booklet, but here it is presented in the original format. All the photos can be seen at www.angel.dk, and the programme at www.jonsattic.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pages/ritualprog.html, but this is still a really really nice package. The disc itself seems to be pretty much the same as the countless previous SRv2 re-issues, but again the sound here seems slightly different. If they had only done what they claimed and given us a recording of the full gig, this would have been an out-and-out classic. So to summarize, pretty packaging, discs nothing special. You probably already know if you want to shell out for nice packaging, except that I really recommend the SRv2, its one of the nicest HW CD issues I've ever seen. Stephan From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 17:11:41 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:11:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig Message-ID: Lost Johnny (of course!) Iron Dream Who's Gonna Win the War {topicality 8-)] jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ball To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: HW: Set list for Motorhead gig > Hi all, > > In an attempt to defuse any bad feeling on this board, would anyone like to > speculate on how long Hawkwind's set will be when they support Motorhead > and Anthrax at Wembley in October? > > As a second support band, I guess they would get say between 30-45min max. > > What whould you put in the set list in an attempt to keep the metal heads > happy, but still retain that HW vibe? > > Here is my input: > > Into/Deathtrap > Assault and Battery/Golden Void > The Watcher > Brainbox Pollution > Motorhead > > > Cheers, > > Andy > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:21:01 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:21:01 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: and I get flatulence every time I eat chinese..... But never get flatulence after browing Mission Control... its great In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:27:24 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Absolutely. Look at these shoes, I've not had 'em a week and the soles are > wearing though already, and when are we going to get a fine day? And I'm > sick and tired of this office... > > I'm with Jon. :-( > > I appreciate the hard work that's gone into the site (no, really, I do!), as > that's what I do (and have done for quite some years!) for a living. I'm > quite prepared to offer any help I can to make it a good, informative and > entertaining site if Rik would like to mail me off list. (Look - there you > go Rik - an olive branch!) :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Hear Bloody Hear!!, the site is excellent. > > I think some people aren't happy unless they're whingeing > > Mark > > > > > I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find > it > > > easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put > into > > > creating it. > > > > > > Colm > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:29:46 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:29:46 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:30:54 AEDT, Guido Vacano writes: > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a >living!! Clearly, > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a >significant portion > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying >about aesthetics, > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. >Oh, and before you > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID >for his efforts. and the point of your online whinging about MC is?: Only makes you look like a fool. Never had a problem with it all this time...... From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:39:55 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:39:55 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Aint that the truth.. Tis the same no matter what it is.. Im sure Rik is secure knowing the majority love MC. When you look at the track record (from what I can remember) there have been only positive remarks untill recently In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:43:43 AEDT, Colm McWilliams writes: > what is it with some of you people? > > its not crap and its not fair that you can just dismiss the websitelike > that. Lke i said i like the look of the site, i have never had a problem > navigating it and its never ever crashed my browser. > > Also clerly it doesn't matter how you design you site cos there was be a > significant number of whinging hawkwind fans that will spout on about how > crap is is. > > Colm > > > Wow, I ought to dump science and do web design for a living!! Clearly, > > you can put a total piece of crap on the web, and a significant portion > > of your audience will love it! The hell with worrying about aesthetics, > > navigation, organization and browser compatibility. Oh, and before you > > bestow sainthood on Mr. Rx, I do believe he is PAID for his efforts. > > > > Guido > > > > Horse wrote: > > > > >Me too - keep it up Rik. > > > > > >Horse > > > > > >On 24 Sep 2002 at 18:19, Colm McWilliams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I think its a great site that Rik has put together for Hawkwind. I find > it > > >>easy to navigate and appreciate all the time and effort that was put > into > > >>creating it. > > >> > > >>Colm > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:45:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:45:58 EDT Subject: Guido Message-ID: Im sure Guido can take it. If he cant take it then he should shut the f**k up. LoL In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:57:22 AEDT, Paul Mather writes: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote: > => I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least my > => contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other than > => your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion of it > => now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time something > => happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert approval. Now > => would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP! > > What are you, the thought police? > > This is disgraceful. Guido has been on this list literally for years, > and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made > many positive contributions to the list and its society. > > What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so > cloying on BOC-L now. It seems there is little tolerance for > dissenting voices. You can't dislike the Web site. You can't > complain about the band. You can't like Nik because you are being > disloyal to Dave. You can't do this, you can't do that. The Emperor > is wearing a fine set of threads. > > The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the > other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling > fanboys. Look at what we're becoming... > > It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive > thing. > > I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion. I'll "STFU" now. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained... yet." > --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:47:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:47:12 EDT Subject: Guido Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:07:11 AEDT, Bill & Cynthia writes: > Paul sang to us: > > >You can't do this, you can't do that. > > BOC-L can't go forward and it can't go back.... Hes a digital citizen - safe in his room - got his video to relieve the gloom From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 20:54:37 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:54:37 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Just had to express my sincerest giggle here!!! Go Rik!! In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:34:47 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > Hey Guido... > > >So Rik, are you paid to do Mission Control, or did you generate 1800+ > >pages and 75 MB of stuff just for the heck of it? > > The heck of it? well no, but I do have the privilage and honour of doing it > as a favour to a good friend who is more than happy with the results. > > < > > > >Finally, I'm sorry my > >downloaded "Under Construction" gif offends you. I didn't think > >"Under Construction" pages required sophisticated web design, but > >I guess I've learned my lesson. Would you care to send me any > >downloaded javascripts to liven 'em up a bit? > > Actually, the comment reguarding animated gif's was in response to your > 'critisism' of MC posted on 27th August on here: you wrote; "Silly > javascript doodads downloaded from some freebie script archive, flashing > text, animated gifs, and the most obnoxious navigation I've yet encountered > do not a good site make". I guess you missed the subtlety. > > the words 'pot' and 'kettle' spring to mind for some reason. > > Oh ya.. I looked at the URL's you sent. > ALL CRAP ! ("IMHO") > > :-} (c) > > I look forward to meeting you at a gig sometime... (I'll even buy u a pint) > No need to describe yourself though - I'll easily know you - you'll be the > one complaining about the lightshow being too colourful, the music being > mixed "like crap" and asking members of the band to "prove" they really > played on any of the albums..... > > If you really want to give genuine, honest constructive critisism that's > fine - however if you want to play a game of attack, don't then be surprised > if you get the same and more by return. > > Rik > > > > > >Guido From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 25 21:00:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:00:12 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I do believe I mentioned The right to decide being missing a little while back. Not everyone is endowed with a sense of diplomacy or good manners however. Rik should know I loveLOVElove Mission control. and anyone that has a fart about it is wasting their breath as far as im concerned...... pwoar - crack the window Guido I would like the complete lyrics to sing at reheasrsal. In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:19:43 AEDT, Petronet Wireless writes: > Jeeez! Seems that some people act like they are paying for access to the > Hawkwind site. > > Someone could have put it nicely, and said..."Gee, Rik, just about all of > the lyrics are there, but you may have inadvertanlty left out "Right to > Decide". > > Like he said...he's not getting paid for it, and the site does keep one > informed on the latest news and shows, though informationally, it's not on > the scale of Kewt Gwerer's Calvert site...which must have taken ages to put > together, it still convey's information, and has a kewl theme. > > Nice site, and most of us appreciate your efforts, Rik! From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Sep 25 21:33:01 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:33:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I like the mission control site and I don't know diddly squat about web design. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > Hi all > > Just a few lines on all the Kack.... the 'old chestnut' has emerged again, > it MUST be a low news day. . . . ZZZZZZzzzzzzz...... > > Hey Guido - please note: I have already stated all the below before *loads* > of times, and this will be my final word on the subject: > > PLEASE NOTE: > > The Mission Control site is *not mine* - it is Dave's ! > We just do it for him - and once again Guido, you appear to ASSUME that we > are "paid" for this... are you sure? do you have access to our accounts > then? - and who the bloody hell are you to question me or anyone else on > here about how we conduct business anyhow? Want to know what the financial > arrangements are? ask Dave ! You also appear to know what the exact brief > was in the design and layout of the site... Wow ! you MUST be well > connected! > > As a point of note, we do the site for Dave in between our other projects, > to allow him and the band to concentrate on doing important stuff like > making music. Remember the music? > > In the last 18 months or so since we have been doing the site I have also > been running two newly developing businesses and had some MAJOR personal > problems, which includes losing a parent and my wife being (and remaining) > seriously ill... so you are F**king lucky to have had a site to look at at > all ! > > THE SITE IS BEING UPDATED: > Now there are (just) one or two people that are uncapable of understanding > this concept. I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over the > odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup. > Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always > buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity that goes way beyond > the realm of what can be considered by most reasonable people to be > 'constructive criticism'. > > During the update, THE CURRENT SITE WILL NOT BE MODIFIED - I really don't > know how to put this in a way that you are capable of understanding. I use > the word 'capable' as you are still banging on about stuff on the current > pages - the new site will address all sorts of things that people have > raised - even some of your comments might be noted ! > > Yes I KNOW there are some lyrics pages that need to go up and all sorts of > other little things, but as I have told you over and over these will all be > addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE so for god's sake stop > repeating yourself like a stuck record - what do you really expect to > achieve? THE SITE IS BEING CHANGED - sorry, but I can only supply the facts; > I'm not in a position to give you the ability to absorb them. > > The new site will be online as soon as it fits in with all our other > projects, and yes, the 'missing' lyrics will be updated as soon as Dave > gives me them, along with a bunch of other stuff ! > > "CRAP DESIGN" - ok so that's your opinion and you are entitled to that - > Here's mine - want an example of "crap design"? (your term) > visit: http://www.spiralrealm.com/guido/ > The subtle use of "under construction" pages and blind links is astounding. > How we marvel at the "annoying little" spinning library-sourced animated > gif's. etc etc. > > You are obviously the master - wa cannot complete with the sheer brillience > of this site. It's astounding. > > By the way, www.bedouin.info comes on line Friday too, I'm sure you'll be > straight in there taking the piss - after all, as your site says, you are a > "web designer". > > Rx From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Sep 25 21:47:34 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:47:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Oh, hell's teeth. I think I started this, so I can't really back out now, can I? 1. Yes, the site's Dave's - but as you say Rik, you built it for him. If it doesn't work for people, it's your fault. 2. Guido is probably guessing that you got paid for it. After all, a site as extensive as you tell us it is takes a lot of time, and if you're a professional web development company, you can't afford that time just as a favour (unless you personally are doing it in your spare time, in which case you're a better man than I.) 3. I'm genuinely very sorry to hear about your personal traumas. 4. I know I started this thing off with a rather heated attack on the site, but the views of many other people seem to be that they find it at best unwieldy, and at wost unusable. Don't dig your heels in and get defensive - listen to criticism, whether it's ranty or constructive, and at least consider making changes and improvements. 5. Yes, Guido's "Under Construction" animated gifs are annoying, but the look and feel of the front page is (IMHO) rather nice. Let's just hope he gets round to finishing the site soon, rather than just leaving them there. I'm really hoping that Mission Control v.2.0 (or however it's referred to) will be a big improvement on MC v1.0 - I'll offer any help I can if you want to ask - because it's a valuable resource (or could be) for all of us out here. (My arguments about Andy's site stay the same but I realise that that isn't anything to do with you so I'll drop that one). To summarise, Mission Control has a lot of info on it, some people like it, some don't and some can't see it. My advice would be simplify it (ie, lose some of the "whizzy things"), and get a graphic designer with a bit of knowledge about how people use websites in. And don't get so defensive! Hope v2 is well on the way, Cheers, RIch. > Hi all > > Just a few lines on all the Kack.... the 'old chestnut' has emerged again, > it MUST be a low news day. . . . ZZZZZZzzzzzzz...... > > Hey Guido - please note: I have already stated all the below before *loads* > of times, and this will be my final word on the subject: > > PLEASE NOTE: > > The Mission Control site is *not mine* - it is Dave's ! > We just do it for him - and once again Guido, you appear to ASSUME that we > are "paid" for this... are you sure? do you have access to our accounts > then? - and who the bloody hell are you to question me or anyone else on > here about how we conduct business anyhow? Want to know what the financial > arrangements are? ask Dave ! You also appear to know what the exact brief > was in the design and layout of the site... Wow ! you MUST be well > connected! > > As a point of note, we do the site for Dave in between our other projects, > to allow him and the band to concentrate on doing important stuff like > making music. Remember the music? > > In the last 18 months or so since we have been doing the site I have also > been running two newly developing businesses and had some MAJOR personal > problems, which includes losing a parent and my wife being (and remaining) > seriously ill... so you are F**king lucky to have had a site to look at at > all ! > > THE SITE IS BEING UPDATED: > Now there are (just) one or two people that are uncapable of understanding > this concept. I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over the > odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup. > Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always > buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity that goes way beyond > the realm of what can be considered by most reasonable people to be > 'constructive criticism'. > > During the update, THE CURRENT SITE WILL NOT BE MODIFIED - I really don't > know how to put this in a way that you are capable of understanding. I use > the word 'capable' as you are still banging on about stuff on the current > pages - the new site will address all sorts of things that people have > raised - even some of your comments might be noted ! > > Yes I KNOW there are some lyrics pages that need to go up and all sorts of > other little things, but as I have told you over and over these will all be > addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE so for god's sake stop > repeating yourself like a stuck record - what do you really expect to > achieve? THE SITE IS BEING CHANGED - sorry, but I can only supply the facts; > I'm not in a position to give you the ability to absorb them. > > The new site will be online as soon as it fits in with all our other > projects, and yes, the 'missing' lyrics will be updated as soon as Dave > gives me them, along with a bunch of other stuff ! > > "CRAP DESIGN" - ok so that's your opinion and you are entitled to that - > Here's mine - want an example of "crap design"? (your term) > visit: http://www.spiralrealm.com/guido/ > The subtle use of "under construction" pages and blind links is astounding. > How we marvel at the "annoying little" spinning library-sourced animated > gif's. etc etc. > > You are obviously the master - wa cannot complete with the sheer brillience > of this site. It's astounding. > > By the way, www.bedouin.info comes on line Friday too, I'm sure you'll be > straight in there taking the piss - after all, as your site says, you are a > "web designer". > > Rx > From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Sep 25 22:29:49 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:29:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:47:34 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >1. Yes, the site's Dave's - but as you say Rik, you built it for him. If >it doesn't work for people, it's your fault. I think you are in a minority there - it only seems to fall over for one or two people with untypical connections on here.... >2. Guido is probably guessing that you got paid for it. After all, a site >as extensive as you tell us it is takes a lot of time, and if you're a >professional web development company, you can't afford that time just as a >favour (unless you personally are doing it in your spare time, in which case you're a better man than I.) The concept of "spare time" does not exist here.... My "hours" are 24/7 (3am here and I'm still working :-{ ) >3. I'm genuinely very sorry to hear about your personal traumas. Thanx >4. I know I started this thing off with a rather heated attack on the site, but the views of many other people seem to be that they find it at best unwieldy, and at wost unusable. Don't dig your heels in and get defensive listen to criticism, whether it's ranty or constructive, and at least consider making changes and improvements. ... and as I KEEP saying all their view have been noted... However, please re-read Guido's "criticisms" - they all seem to verge on verbal abuse. - He got what he asked for by way of response, and I make NO excuses for that ! >5. Yes, Guido's "Under Construction" animated gifs are annoying, but the >look and feel of the front page is (IMHO) rather nice. Let's just hope he >gets round to finishing the site soon, rather than just leaving them there. I await the update with baited breath. >I'm really hoping that Mission Control v.2.0 (or however it's referred to) >will be a big improvement on MC v1.0 - I'll offer any help I can if you want >to ask - because it's a valuable resource (or could be) for all of us out >here. (My arguments about Andy's site stay the same but I realise that that isn't anything to do with you so I'll drop that one). > >To summarise, Mission Control has a lot of info on it, some people like it, >some don't and some can't see it. My advice would be simplify it (ie, lose >some of the "whizzy things"), and get a graphic designer with a bit of >knowledge about how people use websites in. And don't get so defensive! Again, how do YOU know the "whizzy things" were not specified in the client brief? - You seem to be making some sweeping assumptions here. > >Hope v2 is well on the way, To clarify: I have a degree in design, a cert in Telematics & e-commerce. I run a successful web-hosting & design company with a healthy annual turnover. I also teach web design one night a week at a local college, and have done for the last three years. I also run a consultancy for companies investing in state-of-the-art ICT product. My wife is also a highly qualified Graphic Designer, and before she was ill managed a design studio for a large local authority. You seem to assume that we have restricted knowlege of the methodology of web design and trends/habits in navigation. I am more than aware of the issues surrounding ergonomics of web navigation, and just because MC doesn't follow the traditional conventions doesn't mean I have to call in outside help as you suggest. Defensive? Perhaps, but people tend to get that way when misguided claims are made against them. V2 should be soon, "spare time" permitting. Look forward to seeing some of your work. Thanx Rx > >Cheers, > >RIch. > > >> Hi all >> >> Just a few lines on all the Kack.... the 'old chestnut' has emerged >again, >> it MUST be a low news day. . . . ZZZZZZzzzzzzz...... >> >> Hey Guido - please note: I have already stated all the below before >*loads* >> of times, and this will be my final word on the subject: >> >> PLEASE NOTE: >> >> The Mission Control site is *not mine* - it is Dave's ! >> We just do it for him - and once again Guido, you appear to ASSUME that we >> are "paid" for this... are you sure? do you have access to our accounts >> then? - and who the bloody hell are you to question me or anyone else on >> here about how we conduct business anyhow? Want to know what the financial >> arrangements are? ask Dave ! You also appear to know what the exact brief >> was in the design and layout of the site... Wow ! you MUST be well >> connected! >> >> As a point of note, we do the site for Dave in between our other projects, >> to allow him and the band to concentrate on doing important stuff like >> making music. Remember the music? >> >> In the last 18 months or so since we have been doing the site I have also >> been running two newly developing businesses and had some MAJOR personal >> problems, which includes losing a parent and my wife being (and remaining) >> seriously ill... so you are F**king lucky to have had a site to look at at >> all ! >> >> THE SITE IS BEING UPDATED: >> Now there are (just) one or two people that are uncapable of understanding >> this concept. I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over >the >> odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup. >> Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always >> buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity that goes way >beyond >> the realm of what can be considered by most reasonable people to be >> 'constructive criticism'. >> >> During the update, THE CURRENT SITE WILL NOT BE MODIFIED - I really don't >> know how to put this in a way that you are capable of understanding. I use >> the word 'capable' as you are still banging on about stuff on the current >> pages - the new site will address all sorts of things that people have >> raised - even some of your comments might be noted ! >> >> Yes I KNOW there are some lyrics pages that need to go up and all sorts of >> other little things, but as I have told you over and over these will all >be >> addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE so for god's sake stop >> repeating yourself like a stuck record - what do you really expect to >> achieve? THE SITE IS BEING CHANGED - sorry, but I can only supply the >facts; >> I'm not in a position to give you the ability to absorb them. >> >> The new site will be online as soon as it fits in with all our other >> projects, and yes, the 'missing' lyrics will be updated as soon as Dave >> gives me them, along with a bunch of other stuff ! >> >> "CRAP DESIGN" - ok so that's your opinion and you are entitled to that - >> Here's mine - want an example of "crap design"? (your term) >> visit: http://www.spiralrealm.com/guido/ >> The subtle use of "under construction" pages and blind links is >astounding. >> How we marvel at the "annoying little" spinning library-sourced animated >> gif's. etc etc. >> >> You are obviously the master - wa cannot complete with the sheer >brillience >> of this site. It's astounding. >> >> By the way, www.bedouin.info comes on line Friday too, I'm sure you'll be >> straight in there taking the piss - after all, as your site says, you are >a >> "web designer". >> >> Rx >> From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Sep 25 21:35:33 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:35:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Jeeeeeeez, the guy's frustrated. Give him a break. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:20:01PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > > => Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are always > => buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity > > Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... > > [[Long tirade and ad hominem attacks omitted.]] > > Like it or not, people project an official Hawkwind Internet presence > onto the postings you make ("official announcements" and the likes). > As such, a fusilade of condescension and belittlement from you casts a > bad reflection on Hawkwind, whom you indirectly represent. It's just > not a very professional way to conduct business, IMHO. > > The next time you choose to insult the fanbase, please be so kind as > to do it off-list. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: As for the lyrics, why state on the site it is "the only complete > database of Hawkwind lyrics" when you know a priori this is not true? > I wasted time hunting all over the site for "Right to Decide," because > I figured it must be there *somewhere* if the lyrics collection is > *complete*. Thanks a bundle... > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Sep 26 04:12:03 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:12:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Here's a thought. Do what I do. Don't go anywhere near Mission COntrol if you don't like it. I happen to dislike it, so I don't visit it. My only gripe is that HW/Rik should post news to the newsgroups rather than saying "go to Mission Control". Fortunately, more open minded people do. SAH On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:35:33 -0500, Laura Waesche wrote: >Jeeeeeeez, the guy's frustrated. Give him a break. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Mather" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:11 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:20:01PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: >> >> => Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are >always >> => buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity >> >> Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... >> >> [[Long tirade and ad hominem attacks omitted.]] >> >> Like it or not, people project an official Hawkwind Internet presence >> onto the postings you make ("official announcements" and the likes). >> As such, a fusilade of condescension and belittlement from you casts a >> bad reflection on Hawkwind, whom you indirectly represent. It's just >> not a very professional way to conduct business, IMHO. >> >> The next time you choose to insult the fanbase, please be so kind as >> to do it off-list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> >> PS: As for the lyrics, why state on the site it is "the only complete >> database of Hawkwind lyrics" when you know a priori this is not true? >> I wasted time hunting all over the site for "Right to Decide," because >> I figured it must be there *somewhere* if the lyrics collection is >> *complete*. Thanks a bundle... >> >> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> >> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> --- Frank Vincent Zappa From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 26 05:32:15 2002 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:32:15 +0100 Subject: website, wembley etc Message-ID: so what if someone does get paid to do a website? We pay the hakws by buying the records and going to the gigs- people gotta eat fer kriiiisakkes...... re Hawks and Motorhead at Wembley: I saw Alan Davey and Lemmy bassing ti for the Hawks some years ago; a Crystal Palace outdoor gig, some kinds of drugs benefit in the early 80s and they were unsurprisingly awesome....... Nik was there too I think, or maybe that was Hammersmith the same year? Whichever- I do recall him sticking his head in Lemmy's amps and headbanging, and getting a very dirty look from the Lemster for doing so..... and the Crystal Palace gig was notable for the bizarre sight of the encore, which was everyone from all the bands who'd played during the day, all singing together, in a Live Aid style...... pinching ourselves we watched Hawkwind, Doctor and the Medics, about 5 other bands and VERA LYNN all singing together......... and it was Vera's "We''ll meet again"......... ah, they don't write em like that anymore.......... dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 26 06:25:42 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:25:42 +0100 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues In-Reply-To: Stephan Forstner's message of Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: Stephan Forstner writes: > Zones > ----- > Comes in a mini-LP sleeve. The full front and back cover artwork from the > original LP is reproduced, and is nice and crisp, looking a whole lot > sharper than on the previous CD reissues I've seen, very nice. They've then > done the original one better by listing the dates and venues for all the > tracks. Any chance of posting these? > This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > ------------------------------ > Comes in a gatefold mini-LP sleeve, the outer cover art has gold lettering > and is a reproduction of the original vinyl art, the inner gatefold photos > are of the band on stage at Stonehenge (at least one of them is, I think the > others are too). My LP/12" copy has red lettering on a single sleeve, so I > can't be sure, but I'm guessing the new reissue reproduces the original > Flicknife inner gatefold art. Once again track dates/venues have been added, > but it looks like they goofed slightly and were too late to print it > properly, so the extra info is on a tastefully applied small gold sticker. Again, it'd be good to see these to check the databases. > Friends and Relations > --------------------- > 1) Who's Gonna Win the War? - here we've got the full-length version of this > track, with the crashing-chords-intro that's been chopped off on all the > other CD reissues I've heard (I haven't heard the first Flicknife CD comp). > In fact AFAIK there is no other officially available version of this song > that has this intro, they all start in with Harvey's bass line. Correct me > if I'm wrong please. Good good good. The Codex sez: Who's Gonna Win The War? L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 b Night Of The Hawk L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 b Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" * 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 Could you check the time for this track and let us know? Or better still do a comparison with one of these? > Space Ritual Vol 2 > ------------------ Is this the Deluxe double with all the stuff from Yuri Gagarin and In The Beginning on it as well? Thanks FoFP From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Sep 26 06:40:57 2002 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:40:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: Nice review! I read this & went straight out to buy the CD but can't find it here yet. Does anyone know about a date for UK release? The DVD is out here on October 7 (according to amazon.co.uk) but I don't know about the CD. Martin >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 09/25/02 03:41pm >>> After that blistering version of Stairway to the Stars I ran to my room, put on my "On Tour Forever" shirt and started thrashing around like there was no tomorrow. What a trip! Positives: Buck Dharma Buck Dharma Buck Dharma I can hear Allen Lanier's keys! And they sound great. Eric on Stairway, OD'd and Lips The recording sounds polished, but not too slick Perfect Water Lips in the Hills Reaper never sounded so good live Crowd singing along Danny Miranda & Bobby Rondinelli driving the sound 78 minutes! Negatives: No Flaming Telepaths The Big 3. Again. Eric on Astronomy, Cities on Flame and between song banter The BOC symbol used to be a cool accent. With the stage set, Eric's guitars and the rest of the album art, it gets a little chronos-crazy Bobby's fills were overblown at times Some aspects of the show (like the long pause in Cities) don't play as well without the visual Seeing the track listing was like opening my Christmas present early. I'm so glad they included Stairway and Quicklime Girl! Flaming Telepaths is probably better when you can see the strobes anyway. ;-) After listening to it a few times, I'd put it as my 2nd favorite BOC live CD after OYF, though they couldn't come close to topping the version of Astronomy on SEE. Minor quibbles aside, this is definitely the live album I've been waiting for from BOC! Brian From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Sep 26 08:16:53 2002 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (M&J Storer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > Oh, hell's teeth. > > I think I started this, so I can't really back out now, can I? Richard, sometimes it's better to back down, than to carry on an argument that is so obviously lost. Takes a bit of courage though!! Keep smilin' Mark From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 26 08:41:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:41:04 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:10:16 AEDT, M&J Storer writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:47 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > Oh, hell's teeth. > > > > I think I started this, so I can't really back out now, can I? > > Richard, sometimes it's better to back down, than to carry on an argument > that is so obviously lost. Takes a bit of courage though!! > Keep smilin' > Mark i wOULD iF i cOULD oNLY rEMEMBER wHERE i lEFT mY dAMNED fALSE tEEFFFFF!!! From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 26 09:17:44 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:17:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: HW: Long Day's Night, website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martin Roy Varley wrote: > I read this & went straight out to buy the CD but can't find it here yet. > > Does anyone know about a date for UK release? If the DVD is out October 7, then the CD should probably be in stores now. We don't get the DVD here in the US until the 8th. Who knows what Sanctuary Records is thinking though, they haven't even put up any real info on the CD or DVD on their website. Oh ho! Here's a site we can all bash without the possibility of hurt feelings! That bad ol' Sanctuary site, it's easy to navigate but rarely updated. And that shade of red is so 1998. ;-) Brian obMorningRoutine> coffee, BOC-L, smirking at my screen From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 26 10:12:43 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:12:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: So Theo, what do you think? Has anyone else picked it up yet? My girlfriend and I went to see The Indigo Girls last night and there could not have been a more stark difference in musical styles.... Both they and BOC put on a great show, however. Brian NP> Queens of the Stone Age, "Songs For the Deaf" --- Vincent Price Talking Lawnmower MP3 Radio http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/171/vincent_price_talking_lawn.html From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 26 10:26:03 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:26:03 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Sep 2002, at 10:12, Brian Halligan wrote: > So Theo, what do you think? Haven't spun it yet! Waiting for the right, uh, ambience... Has anyone else picked it up yet? My > girlfriend and I went to see The Indigo Girls last night and there > could not have been a more stark difference in musical styles.... Both > they and BOC put on a great show, however. > > Brian > NP> Queens of the Stone Age, "Songs For the Deaf" > How do you like this one? I listened to some of it and can't figure why the critics are raving about it so. Good, but not exactly 2002's Sgt. Pepper... theo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Sep 26 10:36:27 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:36:27 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: Brian, I bought two copies of this on Tuesday. Having gone to the show, it was fun flashing back. On the picture on the back of the CD, you can see me and Che standing all the way to the left. Wow, a profile shot! Buck is absolutely spectacular on this CD. This Long Day's Night Snapshot is a Pulitzer Prize Winner. Not that anything is the new Definitive Version or Definitive Solo. It's just that it drives home the point how lucky we are to witness the variation and inventiveness from night to night. There's lot to sink your teeth into on this CD. Eric is already getting slagged on the vocals. To be honest, the night of the show, I thought he sounded a lot better than how it came out on the CD. Having seen an hour of the HDTV show, it sounds better on film and is totally enjoyable. Wasn't it Sandy Pearlman, though, who said "I'm the only one who can make Eric Bloom sound like Eric Bloom?" :-) chuck PS: Wait till you see the DVD version of Last Days of May and see Allen's playing. Very good, indeed! From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 26 10:39:34 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:39:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <3D92E0BA.9047.B81B2C@localhost> Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: >> NP> Queens of the Stone Age, "Songs For the Deaf" >> > How do you like this one? I listened to some of it and can't figure > why the critics are raving about it so. Good, but not exactly 2002's > Sgt. Pepper... It has some great tunes, especially "No One Knows," but as a whole, I agree it's not worth blowing too many glowing adjectives on. The radio station bits between songs are more a distraction than anything else. I do have to give them credit for actually trying to make it an interesting listen as an album, as opposed to a skip-able, rearrange-able collection of singles. I haven't watched the DVD that comes with it yet. That should be interesting. Brian -- Vincent Price Talking Lawnmower MP3 Radio http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/171/vincent_price_talking_lawn.html From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 26 11:20:18 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:20:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <12b.180fe15f.2ac4756b@aol.com> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 2002, at 10:36, Chuck Saden wrote: > Brian, > I bought two copies of this on Tuesday. Having gone to the show, it > was fun flashing back. On the picture on the back of the CD, you can > see me and Che standing all the way to the left. Wow, a profile shot! > So, how much did you have to pay the band? > Buck is absolutely spectacular on this CD. This Long Day's Night > Snapshot is a Pulitzer Prize Winner. Not that anything is the new > Definitive Version or Definitive Solo. It's just that it drives home > the point how lucky we are to witness the variation and inventiveness > from night to night. BD is not the kind of player who does a rote performance of an existing version. And he was like that 25 years ago. Never plays a song the same way twice... There's lot to sink your teeth into on this CD. > Eric is already getting slagged on the vocals. To be honest, the > night of the show, I thought he sounded a lot better than how it came > out on the CD. Considering the problems he was having, oh, 5-6 years ago, he sounds great these days... Having seen an hour of the HDTV show, it sounds better > on film and is totally enjoyable. Wasn't it Sandy Pearlman, though, > who said "I'm the only one who can make Eric Bloom sound like Eric > Bloom?" :-) Funny you should mention this. I was just thinking about BD's prowess as a producer, and wondering what effect it would have had on the group if he had handled production on some of the earlier stuff. Not the first 3, as SP's genius on them is ubiquitous. But, say RBN, or CN... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 26 11:21:21 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:21:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <12b.180fe15f.2ac4756b@aol.com> Message-ID: Having to follow myself: > Cities is OK, but it's a little too hammed-up for my taste. Although, sing a > song every night for 30 years and you'll have to do something to relieve the > monotony.... But, of course, he's only sung it for 20 years. So there's no excuse. ;-) Brian From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Sep 26 11:28:29 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:28:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: In a message dated 9/26/2002 10:21:03 AM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > So, how much did you have to pay the band? Seats to the Navy Pier - $50 Plane Ticket to Detroit and return from Chicago - $350 Hotel Room in Detroit and Chicago - $180 Seeing your pic on the CD jacket and on the HDTV - Priceless chuck The Credit Card Guy POS Card Processing :-) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 26 11:35:34 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:35:34 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <18b.ec76dfb.2ac4819d@aol.com> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 2002, at 11:28, Chuck Saden wrote: > chuck > The Credit Card Guy > POS Card Processing > :-) In guitar afficianado circles, [and, no doubt countless others] POS is a euphemism for 'Piece of Shit!' theo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Sep 26 11:40:08 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:40:08 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: In a message dated 9/26/2002 10:36:52 AM Central Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > In guitar afficianado circles, [and, no doubt countless others] POS > is a euphemism for 'Piece of Shit!' > Theo, I am referred business from Point of Sale Dealers all over the Country. Believe me when I tell you, Piece of Shit doesn't fall far from the Apple Tree! Telling Merchants it stands for Piece of Shit is a great opener and most Merchants agree with this assessment of their $30,000 Point of Sale systems :-) From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Sep 26 12:12:12 2002 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:12:12 -0400 Subject: Blood Donor Message-ID: A band by the name of Blood Donor are playing in Brighton at the end of October. Someone read in the paper that there was ex-members of Hawkwind in it and so told me. Sticking "blood donor" and "hawkwind" into google brings up Jon Jarrett's list of members and what they've done, and the only mention of Blood Donor is with Keith Hale who was in the band for a matter of months twenty two years ago. Now, either I'm missing something or the Brighton and Hove Argus is far more aware of the convolutions of spacerock line-ups than I'd ever suspected.. Sherm From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Thu Sep 26 12:18:36 2002 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:18:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Does anyone know about a date for UK release? > > The DVD is out here on October 7 (according to amazon.co.uk) but I don't know about the CD. > > Martin It was released on the 24th. Got mine from http://www.z-roxx.com/ Jas. From asg at MVDBASE.COM Thu Sep 26 20:42:35 2002 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:42:35 -0600 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: >I read this & went straight out to buy the CD but can't find it here yet. Likewise. >Does anyone know about a date for UK release? Well I'm in France, not in the UK, but for what it's worth I was told the CD would only be available through import over here. They should receive it next week. Looking forward to it... Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Sep 26 13:29:30 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:29:30 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: Thanks for the info. Does the new F&R Vol 1 CD contain the *full* version of Robot, as appeared on the vinyl issue of F&R Vol 1? That (I think) clocked in at 8:17, whereas the edit on "Best of F&R" and other comps was faded out at 5:59, IIRC. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0400, Stephan Forstner wrote: 3) Robot - they used the butchered version. Aargh! Losers. No excuse, they could have taken the Weird 77 version and re-constructed this track, I think they're the same except that the F&R edit has Bob saying 'We're all going to >end up like Robots' added over the intro. Bad bad bad. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Sep 26 10:57:57 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:57:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <12b.180fe15f.2ac4756b@aol.com> Message-ID: wrote: > Eric is already getting slagged on the vocals. Hey, it's a fan pastime. ;-) Seriously though, I thought he sounded great on Stairway, OD'd and Lips. He didn't quite nail Quicklime Girl and I was comparing his Astronomy to the SEE version, where I love his singing, and it fell flat. (Pun intended?) Godzilla was fine, except for the intro banter. He should have thought out something cooler, and original, before the show. Cities is OK, but it's a little too hammed-up for my taste. Although, sing a song every night for 30 years and you'll have to do something to relieve the monotony.... And to be fair, Buck took the easy way out on some of the high notes (and number of notes) when he sang. Ah, its fun to be an armchair musician. In the end, I love the album. I'm ecstatic it's out. And it wouldn't be BOC without Eric. Brian From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Sep 26 14:28:17 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:28:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: (In Tyneside accent) "You wouldn't let it lie!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > Rik Rx wrote: > > > these will all be addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE > > Hey Rik, you spelt incarnation wrong. > Do I win five pounds? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 26 14:52:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:52:46 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:29:30 -0400, Steve Youles wrote: >Thanks for the info. Does the new F&R Vol 1 CD contain the *full* version >of Robot, as appeared on the vinyl issue of F&R Vol 1? That (I think) >clocked in at 8:17, whereas the edit on "Best of F&R" and other comps was >faded out at 5:59, IIRC. I believe that the 5:59 version is the one that Stephan is referring to as the "butchered" one, and the reason for his complaint. The full-length version has never been released on CD (bastards!!! why?!?). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0400, Stephan Forstner > wrote: > > > >3) Robot - they used the butchered version. Aargh! Losers. No excuse, they >could have taken the Weird 77 version and re-constructed this track, I think >they're the same except that the F&R edit has Bob saying 'We're all going to >>end up like Robots' added over the intro. Bad bad bad. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 26 15:29:16 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:29:16 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: Follow-up #1: >>Does the new F&R Vol 1 CD contain the *full* version of Robot, as >>appeared on the vinyl issue of F&R Vol 1? That (I think) clocked >>in at 8:17, whereas the edit on "Best of F&R" and other comps was >>faded out at 5:59, IIRC. > >I believe that the 5:59 version is the one that Stephan is referring >to as the "butchered" one, and the reason for his complaint. The >full-length version has never been released on CD (bastards!!! why?!?). The original vinyl track did come in at 8+ minutes, but the new CD reissue unfortunately has the 5+ minute edit with fade-out that has appeared on previous comps. Bastards indeed! Perhaps someone could use CoolEditPro and piece together a full version using the butchered track and the Weird 77 track? > Space Ritual Vol 2 > ------------------ >Is this the Deluxe double with all the stuff from Yuri Gagarin and In >The Beginning on it as well? To clear up any confusion, the new Space Ritual 2 (Deluxe Edition) reissue on Cleopatra/PurplePyramid that I described only has 1 disc, and its the usual Space Ritual Vol. 2. The packaging is great though and more than deserves to be called 'deluxe'. CDNow lists it as "Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition", Amazon lists it as "Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe Edition)", CDUniverse and TowerRecords list it as "Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe)" and the actual CD cover says "Space Ritual Sundown V.2". Oops, I was supposed to clear up the confusion not add to it. No matter what it's being called, you can identify it by the label being Cleopatra/PurplePyramid and its having a release date of Aug 13 2002. I'll post the dates/venues for Zones/This Is Hawkwind tomorrow in Follow-up #2, I don't have the discs here with me now. I'll also try to do a timing comparision for WGWTW? tonight and post that as well. Stephan From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Sep 26 15:50:29 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:50:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: QOTSA In-Reply-To: <3D92E0BA.9047.B81B2C@localhost> Message-ID: Overrated but still worth a listen. They couldn't possibly have maintained such a high standard though could they? AL --- Ted Jackson wrote: > . > > NP> Queens of the Stone Age, "Songs For the Deaf" > > > How do you like this one? I listened to some of it > and can't figure > why the critics are raving about it so. Good, but > not exactly 2002's > Sgt. Pepper... > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Sep 26 15:35:59 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:35:59 +0100 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20020925234208.0073719c@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: Stephan Thanks for taking the time to review these for us all in such detail, v.useful. Cheers AL --- Stephan Forstner wrote: > Well, the outside of these at least came as a > pleasant surprise. Some of the > music has to be considered second-string Hawkwind, > for various reasons, and > there are no new bonus tracks or anything (with a > very minor exception on > F&R), but I don't think you can look at these as > just another rip-off by a > company out to make a fast buck. Cleopatra/Purple > Pyramid have clearly taken > some trouble with the presentation here, and the > result is releases that may > be of interest to more people than just kollectors - > now if they'd only > taken some trouble with the actual disc contents as > well... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 26 16:16:27 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:16:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Wembley seating Message-ID: Having browsed through the seating plan (there seems to be a fair few still available though some blocks are not listed) can anyone offer advice on the best places to sit and get a sensible view of proceedings? Most of the ground area has been given over to a standing arena but there are some blocks towards the back - D2 D3 and D4 that are clearly seating. However are they crap canvas chair seating and would it be better to get a seat round the side? If so it is better to be as near the stage as possible (which would seem to give only an impossibly acute angle of vision) or slightly further out? All opinions and advice welcome. thanks jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 27 00:34:07 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:34:07 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/21 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions or requests before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . NOTE: SDNC will not air this Sat 9/28--I'll be back Oct. 5th. 9/21 (5-9pm PST) 1.Doldrums "On the Pine" pt. 1 (Acupuncture; Kranky) 2.Farflung "Sonic Evaporation" (The Raven that Ate the Moon; Flipside) 3.Doldrums "On the Pine" pt. 3 (Acupuncture) 4.Space Cadet Elroy "Pyre One/Fuse/Firing Up" (Metaphorical Fire; Sun King) 5.Alien Dream "Hypnosis" (ST'd) 6.Banco de Gaia "Heliopolis (10 Years; 6 Degrees/Disco Gecko) 7.Roxy Music "Remake/Remodel" (ST'd; Island/Reprise) 8.Floating Flower "Walk in the Air" (2nd; Black Plastic Sound) 9.Hawkwind "Time for Sale" (Thrilling Adventures Live Oct '76; Griffin) 10.Mandragora Lightshow Society "Unknown Gem" (Beyond the Mushroam Gate; Liquid Sound) 11.Liquid Sound Company "Swallow" (Exploring the Psychedelic; Pysch-Out/Brainticket) 12.Magic Mushroom Band "Astralasia" (ST'd; Purple Pyramid/Cleopatra) 13.Kraftwerk "Ruckzuck" (Kraftwerk 1; Germanofon) 14.Cluster "Caramba" (Zuckerzeit; Spalax) 15.Orgone Factory "The Road to Columbus" (CD-R demo; thanks to Michael!) 16.Hockenheit "Give Them to the Ants" (400 Boys; Roadcone) 17.Hopewell "There is Something/There is Nothing" (The Curved Glass; Priapus) 18.Ohm "Salt 'N' Pepper Cake/Fortress of Ultimate Darkness" (Voices; Two Ohm Hop) 19.Robert Calvert "Ground Crew /Song of the Gremlin pt. 2" (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters; BGO) 20.Henry Cow "Beginning: The Long March" (In Praise of Learning; ESD/ReR) 21.ST 37 "Sunburst Yodel #9" (Secret Society; Lost/Timothy's Brain) 22.Circle "Vesitorni/Kaupunginsairaaia" (Pori; Feldspar) 23.Holy River Family Band "Good Morning Friend" (Earthquake Country; Wild Places) 24.Saddar Bazaar "Arc of Ascent pt. 2" (Conference of the Birds; Delerium) 25.Olivia Tremor Control "Opening/Train Director" (Black Foliage Vol. 1; Flydaddy) 26.Pretty Things "Mr. Evasion" (Defecting Grey 7"/S.F. Sorrow; Snapper) 27.Electric Flag "Flash Bam Pow" (The Trip sound-track) 28.Chambers Bro's "Time Has Come " (ST'd) 29.Alien Planetscapes "Soft Martian" (Strange Daze '97 comp; Pangea) 30.Hawkwind "Paranoia" (BBC Radio 1 Live; Windsong) 31.Gong "IAO Chant and Master Builder" (Est Mort; Celluloid/Voiceprint) 32.F/i "Doktors for Bob" (Helioscopium; Ceres) 33.Knights of the Occasional Table "Eden" (Planet Sweet; Middle-Earth/Jungle) thanks, Chuck From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Sep 27 02:54:35 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:54:35 +0800 Subject: Blood Donor Message-ID: I think one or two other members made guest appearances with them in the past (Simon House? Nik Turner?), but I could be wrong there. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gesticulates Very Expressively" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Blood Donor > A band by the name of Blood Donor are playing in Brighton at the end of > October. Someone read in the paper that there was ex-members of Hawkwind in > it and so told me. Sticking "blood donor" and "hawkwind" into google brings > up Jon Jarrett's list of members and what they've done, and the only > mention of Blood Donor is with Keith Hale who was in the band for a matter > of months twenty two years ago. > Now, either I'm missing something or the Brighton and Hove Argus is far > more aware of the convolutions of spacerock line-ups than I'd ever > suspected.. > > Sherm > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 27 12:00:35 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:00:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night Message-ID: > Positives: > Buck Dharma > Buck Dharma > Buck Dharma The man is THE MASTER > I can hear Allen Lanier's keys! And they sound great. Can't hear 'em enough. > Eric on Stairway, OD'd and Lips Yeah, even if he screwed up the last verse on O.D.'d... > The recording sounds polished, but not too slick No one has said it, but to my hearing, the mix is not quite right. Not bad by any stretch, but I think that it is a bit too heavy on the drums and the bass is too "muddy". Buck's guitar and all the lead vocals should be a bit more "up front" in the mix. And how come you can't more of the crowd in the Cities on Flame "call and and response"? For all the people who were there, it sounds like only 50 or so. Some would probably argue that the CD faithfully reproduces BOC's live sound - and if so, I might agree with you. My point is that BOC is not mixed live IMHO as well as it should be. While I'm sure their crew are geniouses with the equipment (I've heard Woody rightfully praised for being able to get the most out of the most abysmal equipment around), I suspect that years of mixing shows has affected their hearing to the point that they may not be noticing some of these nuances. I know, it's only rock n roll and most people seem more concerned with the overall volume than anything else, but when I compare, say, the studio version of "Dance on Stilts" to what's on "A Long Days Night" (BTW, I am no fan of the title - it sounds tired, unimaginative, and a bad pun), the differences in the mix are striking. O.K., enough ranting and raving - it really IS a very good CD. > Perfect Water > Lips in the Hills To have these 2, along with Quicklime Girl, is worth the price of admission. We can all argue about what should or shouldn't be on the CD, but it's nice to get something really "different". Excellent! > Reaper never sounded so good live Has it ever sounded BAD live? > Crowd singing along See my comments on the mix. > Danny Miranda & Bobby Rondinelli driving the sound Again, my comments on the mix. Danny and Bobby are talented musicians that bring a lot of energy and "spice" to BOC's sound, but I don't think the mix necessarily did them the justice they deserve. > 78 minutes! :-) > Negatives: > No Flaming Telepaths > The Big 3. Again. No real complaints here - most diehard fans really don't need to hear the Big 3, but we can all understand why they're there. And to have Quicklime Girl...well, I won't loose sleep if FT had to go to make room for it. > Eric on Astronomy, Cities on Flame and between song banter No real problems for me here - sounds like standard Eric to me. > The BOC symbol used to be a cool accent. With the stage set, Eric's guitars > and the rest of the album art, it gets a little chronos-crazy I have no problems - I think the cover artwork is very cool (kind of ties in to "Curse of the Hidden Mirror" the way "ETL" tied in with "Fire of Unknown Origin"). But WHAT is that rectangle in the middle of the chronos shadow on the cover? > Bobby's fills were overblown at times Ah, you are perhaps thinking back to the days of Albert Bouchard. Albert is a master of the subtleties of the drum kit. Bobby's drumming is about as subtle as the proverbial fart in church. Don't get me wrong, Bobby's great, and I don't have an issue with some of his fills. I think you might not think as badly of the fills if the drums weren't overmixed as I previously mentioned. > Minor quibbles aside, this is definitely the live album > I've been waiting for from BOC! I guess after all these years I stopped waiting, and perhaps I've been a bit overly-critical of this album. I do enjoy it tremendously, although if I'm still spinning my BOC discs in 20 or so years, "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" may still get more spins. > Eric is already getting slagged on the vocals. Unfair IMHO. He sounds pretty good to me (even though he mucked up the last verse on "OD'd...") - but again, it's the MIX. The vocals are not "up front" enough. I also think that they need to give a bit more boost to the low frequencies for Eric's mike and give him more of that menacing character he had. > > He > didn't quite nail Quicklime Girl Well, he hasn't had as much practice with that one... > and I was comparing his Astronomy to the > SEE version, where I love his singing, and it fell flat. (Pun intended?) He doesn't quite have the range he used to, and Astronomy is certainly a bit of a challenge these days for him. It wasn't bad, but the SEE version is definitely the standard by which all other versions shall be judged - having said that though, it still wasn't bad on this CD. > Godzilla was fine, except for the intro banter. He should have thought out > something cooler, and original, before the show. Perhaps. It was similar to the same stuff he's been doing for years. Would have been better if they could have gotten the taped piece of Godzilla from the movie a bit louder (ah, there I go complaining about the mix again...) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 27 12:41:26 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:41:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <3D9480A3.33139FEF@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 27 Sep 2002, at 12:00, John Swartz wrote: > > Buck Dharma > > The man is THE MASTER > And he does it so effortlessly... > > I can hear Allen Lanier's keys! And they sound great. > > Can't hear 'em enough. > True, but much better than at a concert, where you can't hear them at all! > No one has said it, but to my hearing, the mix is not quite right. "Produced by Steve Schenck...' The words that cause a sinking of the heart among B?C fans worldwide... Some would probably argue that the CD faithfully reproduces > BOC's live sound - and if so, I might agree with you. My point is > that BOC is not mixed live IMHO as well as it should be. No argument here. Although I do notice that they sound best when you move back from the stage. Up front is total chaos of sound. Get back by the board and it sounds pretty good. But then you can't see the band! > > Perfect Water > > Lips in the Hills > > To have these 2, along with Quicklime Girl, is worth the price of > admission. We can all argue about what should or shouldn't be on the > CD, but it's nice to get something really "different". Excellent! > Agreed. And QG works so well here that one wonders why the hell the band doesn't include it more often? > > Reaper never sounded so good live > > Has it ever sounded BAD live? > No, but I'm pissed that they truncated BD's neat intro... > Again, my comments on the mix. Danny and Bobby are talented musicians > that bring a lot of energy and "spice" to BOC's sound, but I don't > think the mix necessarily did them the justice they deserve. > Yes for Danny. Bobby got too much justice! He's a little loud and overbearing in spots, but that may be more due to his over-the-top style than the recording... > > Negatives: > > No Flaming Telepaths > > The Big 3. Again. > > No real complaints here - most diehard fans really don't need to hear > the Big 3, but we can all understand why they're there. And to have > Quicklime Girl...well, I won't loose sleep if FT had to go to make > room for it. > Besides, FT is on the DVD, and we get to see the stobe light effects in all their glory...As great as QG is, I sure wish they included Teen Archer. Another song that is VERY effective live... > > The BOC symbol used to be a cool accent. With the stage set, Eric's > > guitars and the rest of the album art, it gets a little > > chronos-crazy > > I have no problems - I think the cover artwork is very cool Yep, I like it a lot... > > Bobby's fills were overblown at times > > Ah, you are perhaps thinking back to the days of Albert Bouchard. > Albert is a master of the subtleties of the drum kit. Except for his Godzilla solo, maybe? Bobby's > drumming is about as subtle as the proverbial fart in church. Don't > get me wrong, Bobby's great, and I don't have an issue with some of > his fills. I think you might not think as badly of the fills if the > drums weren't overmixed as I previously mentioned. True, BR IS a great drummer. I find him a bit slick sometimes, and some of his fills are, IMHO, a bit inappropriate for the songs... > > > Minor quibbles aside, this is definitely the live album > > I've been waiting for from BOC! > > I guess after all these years I stopped waiting, and perhaps I've been > a bit overly-critical of this album. I do enjoy it tremendously, > although if I'm still spinning my BOC discs in 20 or so years, "On > Your Feet Or On Your Knees" may still get more spins. > I know OYF...is much beloved here, but I'm not all that in love with it. I think BD has progressed considerably as a guitarist since then. For sheer power and drive, OYF is amazing. For musical quality, I think I prefer this one. And, don't forget SEE for some inspired moments, viz. DFtR and Astronomy--though the version of Astronomy here won't disappoint... > > Eric is already getting slagged on the vocals. > > Unfair IMHO. He sounds pretty good to me (even though he mucked up > the last verse on "OD'd...") Yeah, I think EB's vox here are pretty darn good. A lot better than just a few years ago when he went into the tank for a couple of tours... - but again, it's the MIX. The vocals > are not "up front" enough. I also think that they need to give a bit > more boost to the low frequencies for Eric's mike and give him more of > that menacing character he had. > Yeap, that quality was best realized when SP was producing, IMHO... > > > > He > > didn't quite nail Quicklime Girl > > Well, he hasn't had as much practice with that one... > I sure hope he tries it at next month's gig, though! > > Godzilla was fine, except for the intro banter. He should have > > thought out something cooler, and original, before the show. > > Perhaps. It was similar to the same stuff he's been doing for years. > Would have been better if they could have gotten the taped piece of > Godzilla from the movie a bit louder (ah, there I go complaining about > the mix again...) I guess Godzilla's a necessary evil, more endured than anticipated. While they're at it, include more of the taped intro at the beginning of the show. What is it, Vangelis? All in all, a pretty satisfying CD. And the old geezers def. show the baggy shorts, de-tuned youngsters what showmanship is supposed to be like, eh? theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 27 13:43:39 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:43:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: <3D9451F5.23148.8C1DF0@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: >>> I can hear Allen Lanier's keys! And they sound great. >> >> Can't hear 'em enough. >> > True, but much better than at a concert, where you can't hear them > at all! Exactly! I thought he should have been more prominent throughout Curse too. John wrote: > Some would probably argue that the CD faithfully reproduces >> BOC's live sound - and if so, I might agree with you. My point is >> that BOC is not mixed live IMHO as well as it should be. I see your point. I've always thought one of the main differences between BOC now and in the '70s is that straight-ahead, more up-front pounding on the bass and drums. I think the live CD plays that up, but yeah, maybe too much. >>> Reaper never sounded so good live >> >> Has it ever sounded BAD live? Not really. I was just comparing it to SEE and ETI. I should have clarified that. It's also probably the best version I've heard at a BOC show, but then again I've only been to around 10 gigs. Your mileage may vary.... >> Bobby's >> drumming is about as subtle as the proverbial fart in church. Don't >> get me wrong, Bobby's great, and I don't have an issue with some of >> his fills. I think you might not think as badly of the fills if the >> drums weren't overmixed as I previously mentioned. > > True, BR IS a great drummer. I find him a bit slick sometimes, and > some of his fills are, IMHO, a bit inappropriate for the songs... Yep. I think that's it exactly. To me, his drums seemed up-front in the mix on Curse too, so it didn't really surprise me on Long Day's Night. Theo again: > For sheer power and drive, OYF is amazing. For musical quality, I > think I prefer this one. And, don't forget SEE for some inspired > moments, viz. DFtR and Astronomy--though the version of > Astronomy here won't disappoint... We're lucky to have live albums for such critical, and varied, points in their career. We have video for all of them too (Live '76, Black & Blue, Long Day's Night). John on Eric: >> - but again, it's the MIX. The vocals >> are not "up front" enough. I also think that they need to give a bit >> more boost to the low frequencies for Eric's mike and give him more of >> that menacing character he had. I agree. Eric reminds me of Ian Anderson in that way. Not that Ian's supposed to be menacing, but that he's too high-pitched live. Theo: > I guess Godzilla's a necessary evil, more endured than anticipated. > While they're at it, include more of the taped intro at the beginning > of the show. What is it, Vangelis? Yeah, from the Blade Runner soundtrack I think. If they had included a chunk of it on the recording, they'd probably have to pay Vangelis, or the movie studio, or whoever put out the soundtrack. Or all three.... > All in all, a pretty satisfying CD. And the old geezers def. show the > baggy shorts, de-tuned youngsters what showmanship is supposed > to be like, eh? Like Korn will be doing to the khaki slacked, standard-tuned youngsters in 20 years? ;-) Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 27 13:57:04 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:57:04 EDT Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Sep 2002, at 13:43, Brian Halligan wrote: > > All in all, a pretty satisfying CD. And the old geezers def. show > > the baggy shorts, de-tuned youngsters what showmanship is supposed > > to be like, eh? > > Like Korn will be doing to the khaki slacked, standard-tuned > youngsters in 20 years? ;-) > Nah, in 20 years, everything will go full-circle. The kids will all be wearing Hamburg-era Nehru jackets, and playing acoustic guitars in Nashville tuning! theo From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Sep 27 14:47:59 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:47:59 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: David Roter and a Long Day's Night Message-ID: some things: Cellsum.com's updated the news. 2. On Al's drum solo, I know from talkign to him that part of what he does in Godzilla is Cozy Cole's Topsy, Part Two. The rondinelli solo was better than it usually is on the new'un-- was the drum solo really that short at the gig? It suprises me. 3. The most inappropriate fills, to me, were on Quicklime Girl -- that song has an attitude that's not.... um... Thud Bam. (Which is also my problem with Cities... it's too slow tempowise as BOC plays it theses days). 4. Harvest Moon is much better tyhan the studio take... esp. the guitar sound by Lanier-- I felt the effects on the HF version were too "edgy"... the heaviness of the song is better portrayed on Long Days night. 5. the keys in stairway were right where I think they should be. 6. I winced at eric's intro to Cities. 7. King Crimson's USA remaster is very good... the extra takes of Fracture and Starless are heptastic. 8. is great :) Jason From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Sep 27 15:52:31 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:52:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin Website Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS + The NEW Bedouin Website is now online, with band profiles, discographies, picture galleries, gig listings and merchandise.... BOOKMARK: www.bedouin.info + + MESSAGE ENDS + + From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Sep 27 15:42:54 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:42:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does anyone remember where they are? NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Sep 27 16:14:28 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:14:28 -0400 Subject: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: Were they www.dreamworker.co.uk or www.starfarer.net ? Those were the only others I recall. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos > A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does > anyone remember where they are? > > NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 27 16:26:00 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: under the radar In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020927144759.0068d684@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Jason wrote: >> Cellsum.com's updated the news. So, I read about the new Roter tracks. Cool. Then re-read the paragraph about the Surgeons and Joe Bouchard tracks from the last update. And there it was, in the last sentence: >The new Brain Surgeons album is scheduled for release in early 2003 Good thing I looked! Wow, I can't wait to hear some details. Sounds like they're still in the process of splitting up the recordings between the Surgeons album and the next Joe album. Brian NP> The Green Pajamas "Green Tea" From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Sep 27 16:55:19 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:55:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: Try Mission Control: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestPix.htm :-} Rx On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:42:54 +0100, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does >anyone remember where they are? > >NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Sep 27 18:05:24 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: Mission Control, DreamWorker and Starfarer already mentioned. The only other sites I know of with HawkFest pics are these: Vince Gilliard's pics: http://vince.gillard.com/hawkfest2002/images.htm Judge Trev's HawkFest page: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-hawk-camp-2002.html Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:42:54 +0100, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does >anyone remember where they are? > >NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Sep 27 18:58:51 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:58:51 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: Follow-up #2: Zones ----- Additional info on the back cover art: <... Tracks 1.2.3 at Battle Studios, Hastins/December 1980 Tracks 4.5 at Lewisham Odeon, London/18th December 1980 Tracks 6.7.8.9.10 at Bristol, Colston Hall/30th October 1982 ...> 1-3 are Zones, Dangerous Vision, Running Through the Back Brain. 4-5 are The Island, Motorway City. 6-10 are Utopia 84, Social Alliance, Sonic Attack, Dream Worker, Brainstorm. This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic ------------------------------ Additional info on sticker attached to back cover: <... Recorded tracks 1-7 at Lewisham Odeon, London - 18th December 1980 Tracks 8&9 at Stonehenge Free Festival - 20th & 21st June 1984 ...> 1-7 are Psy Power, Levitation, Circles, Space Chase, Death Trap, Angels of Death, Shot Down in the Night. 8 is Stonehenge Decoded. 9 is Watching the Grass Grow. 9 would be from the main set on the 20th, 8 from the Stonehenge at Dawn/Earth Ritual Improv set on the 21st. Who's Gonna Win the War? ------------------------ >Who's Gonna Win The War? > L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock > L 1 a Friends And Relations I > L 1 a Victoria double album > L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] > L 1 b Night Of The Hawk > L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I > L 1 b Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD > L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" > > * 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 > >Could you check the time for this track and let us know? Or better still >do a comparison with one of these? Both the original LP version and the new CD reissue of Friends and Relations have this track about 5:54 in length, they both sound the same to me, and they both start at the same point and fade out at the same point. The Weird 101 CD version is only 4:54 in length, it fades in at about 0:28 into the F&R version, and then it fades out at I think about 5:25 into the F&R version - so basically I think it chops off about 30 seconds from the start and 30 seconds from the end of the original F&R track. I'll have to listen to it again more closely to make sure the shortening isn't due to some other edit in the body of the song. Either way, that would mean that versions 1 and 1a in the codex should probably be switched (unless the Weird CD version is not the same as the Weird Tape version). I think Doug may have said the same thing earlier when the Weird CDs were just coming out. Robot ----- The original F&R LP version of Robot clocks in at about 8:25, with the last 10 or so seconds being crowd noise that slowly fades out. The hack-job edit that appeared on the various F&R compilations fades out at about 5:59. I also compared the F&R LP Robot to the Weird 103 CD version - the Weird version is only 7:21, and there are more differences between the 2 than I had remembered. I still think they may be the same base track, because I suspect it would be really difficult for Simon House to get what sound like the exact same most excellent yowling noises from his violin 2 nights running - but the Weird version doesn't have Bob's intro, some riffing has been cut near the beginning, and there seem to be some added vocals on the chorus and one or two other places. This is going to take some more careful listening. Glad this has been useful, Stephan From frankw at STC.CORP.MOT.COM Fri Sep 27 19:02:01 2002 From: frankw at STC.CORP.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:02:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind mention Message-ID: In what may be a first, Hawkwind is mentioned in Conde Nast Traveler magazine, one of the leading travel magazines. The October, 2002, issue has a supplement on "The Treasures of Britain". On page 8, in the "music" section, they list Glastonbury Festival in Somerset as the number one attraction. Here is the extract: "... Eavis founded the festival in 1970 when he persuaded T. Rex's Marc Bolan to perform in his fields. That first event drew 1,500 people. The following year came Hawkwind, Traffic, David Bowie, Joan Baez, and Fairport Convention, and attendance shot up to 12,000. ..." Granted that this is not the biggest mention of Hawkwind ever, but just the fact that the editors felt that this was useful information and listed Hawkwind first is significant in itself. Frank -- With this latest victory, that makes a total of two British wins: one for Ireland and one for Germany. -- BBC TV reporter ============================================================ Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280 From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 27 20:29:11 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:29:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind mention In-Reply-To: <200209272302.SAA03737@stcserve.stc.corp.mot.com>; from frankw@STC.CORP.MOT.COM on Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 06:02:01PM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 06:02:01PM -0500, Frank Weil wrote: > The > following year came Hawkwind, Traffic, David Bowie, Joan Baez, and > Fairport Convention, and attendance shot up to 12,000. ..." > > Granted that this is not the biggest mention of Hawkwind ever, but just > the fact that the editors felt that this was useful information and > listed Hawkwind first is significant in itself. Especially given the company they're in :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The acronym for "the powers that be" differs by only one letter from that for "the pointy-haired boss". From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Sep 27 23:00:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:00:35 -0400 Subject: off: career goals In-Reply-To: <20020925213846.86053.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>; from alankerren@YAHOO.CO.UK on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:38:46PM +0100 Message-ID: Ohhhh, you don't get me I'm part of the union You don't get me I'm part of the union You don't get me I'm part of the union 'Till the day I die, 'till the day I die - The Strawbs On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:38:46PM +0100, Alan Linsley wrote: > I once interviewed Lemmy for a fanzine, and he > complained that he would be getting a lot more money > if he was a bricklayer. > > AL > --- Ted Jackson wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2002, at 19:09, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > > Nah, plumbers are paid more than Hawkwind. > > > > > I didn't want to be the one to say it, but most > > plumbers over here make way more money than rock > > musicians. Wouldn't surprise me > > if my plumber makes more than my senator... > > > > theo > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The acronym for "the powers that be" differs by only one letter from that for "the pointy-haired boss". From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Sep 27 23:28:42 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:28:42 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues Message-ID: This was indeed very useful - thank you. I've updated the Hawkwind Codex at http://www.starfarer.net/hwcodex.html to reflect your suggestions for "Who's Gonna Win The War?". Personally I'm not convinced that the 2 versions of Robot discussed are the same, so no changes there...yet... Steve -------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:58:51 -0400, Stephan Forstner wrote: Who's Gonna Win the War? ------------------------ L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 b Night Of The Hawk L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 b Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" * 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 Both the original LP version and the new CD reissue of Friends and Relations have this track about 5:54 in length, they both sound the same to me, and they both start at the same point and fade out at the same point. The Weird 101 CD version is only 4:54 in length, it fades in at about 0:28 into the F&R version, and then it fades out at I think about 5:25 into the F&R version - so basically I think it chops off about 30 seconds from the start and 30 seconds from the end of the original F&R track. I'll have to listen to it again more closely to make sure the shortening isn't due to some other edit in the body of the song. Either way, that would mean that versions 1 and 1a in the codex should probably be switched (unless the Weird CD version is not the same as the Weird Tape version). I think Doug may have said the same thing earlier when the Weird CDs were just coming out. Robot ----- The original F&R LP version of Robot clocks in at about 8:25, with the last 10 or so seconds being crowd noise that slowly fades out. The hack-job edit that appeared on the various F&R compilations fades out at about 5:59. I also compared the F&R LP Robot to the Weird 103 CD version - the Weird version is only 7:21, and there are more differences between the 2 than I had remembered. I still think they may be the same base track, because I suspect it would be really difficult for Simon House to get what sound like the exact same most excellent yowling noises from his violin 2 nights running - but the Weird version doesn't have Bob's intro, some riffing has been cut near the beginning, and there seem to be some added vocals on the chorus and one or two other places. This is going to take some more careful listening. Glad this has been useful, Stephan From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Sep 28 00:05:29 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:05:29 -0300 Subject: HW The One Eyed Bishops setlist from 9/27/02 Message-ID: We were very fired up to play, but were cut short, as we were promised a 30 to 40 minutes set. Nonetheles, we tried some new material, and generally rocked the rather conservative academic crowd. I myself am employed by the college, but no one really seemed to know, even though I teach a class two doors down from the coordinator of the event? The One Eyed Bishops: Burlington County College; Tec Center 9/27/02 The Red Rooster ( Willie Dixon, Howlin Wolf) All Night Worker ( Rufus Thomas) London Rocker ( David 'Lord' Sutch) Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Mike Burro: electric rhythm guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe, background vocals From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 28 02:52:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:52:02 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin Website Message-ID: Cheers man, Exellent web site and regarding the merchandise...... I want one of EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! In a message dated Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:53:07 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ++ STAR WARRIORS + > > The NEW Bedouin Website is now online, with band profiles, > discographies, picture galleries, gig listings and merchandise.... > > BOOKMARK: www.bedouin.info > > + + MESSAGE ENDS + + From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 28 03:06:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:06:51 EDT Subject: Dear Sir Rik of the Knights of the Hawk shaped table Message-ID: Hiya Rik, I was just wondering thus. I noticed at the Hawkestra you were taking some pics of the audience just prior to the gig commencing. Have you got any you could share with me? All of them perhaps? I'd love to try and spot my ugly mug in the crowd cause I was right at the front. If you do and could email me some copies I'll gladly send you a pressie via the Honoton address as a big thank you. Cheers Michael B From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Sep 28 10:59:14 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:59:14 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: Thanks Stephe, www.dreamworker.co.uk were the ones I was thinking of - great atmosphere. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Hawkfest Photos > Were they www.dreamworker.co.uk or www.starfarer.net ? Those were the only > others I recall. Cheers STEPHE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:42 PM > Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos > > > > A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does > > anyone remember where they are? > > > > NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 28 13:33:49 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:33:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: were they the ones on Real Festival Music http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-hawk-camp-2002.html >A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does >anyone remember where they are? > >NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Sep 28 12:56:32 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:56:32 -0300 Subject: HW New live cut from last nights show: 'London Rocker' by Screaming Lord Sutch Message-ID: Hi all, Last night marks the end of my performances as a 'never been married man'. Tomorrow I tie the knot, as they say. We are beginning to play some of the material which we are thinking of touching on the forthcoming album. This news just in: The One Eyed Bishops will be recording a version of this tune, Lord Sutch's 'London Rocker' with Downliners Sect members Don Craine & Keith Grant. The session will take place at 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', aka the personal Studio of Terry Clemson of The TT's. The lineup set for this session will be the following: Mike Burro: Rhythm guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: Drumkit and djembe, vocals Don Craine: Rhythm guitar, vocals, recitation Keith Grant: Bass, vocals Terry Clemson, lead guitar & production For info regarding the Downliners Sect & The TT's see the following URLs: www.angelfire.com/rock3/yardbird_sect/ www.tts.ttsfans.com http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( here last night's cut now!!) Peace, Mike Burro From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Sep 28 15:39:10 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:39:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Ship of Fools Message-ID: I know this group was discussed here recently, can't recall if it was in regards to finding their CDs, but anyway, here's a list someone posted on rec.music.progressive (of course it's always good to make sure w/that type of name that it's the same group): Subject: CDS FOR SALE OR TRADE From: "Antonio Siniscalchi" antonjjo at inwind.it Date: 9/28/02 12:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <03dl9.21254$e31.454847 at twister2.libero.it> Hi please send your trade list if interested antonio. ANDERSON L. BRIGHT/RED AYLER A. LOVE CRY AYLER A. IN GREENWICH VILLAGE BECK J. JEFF BECK WITH IAN HAMMER GROUP BECK BLOW BY BLOW BON FULL CIRCLE COMiNG HOME BOWIE THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD CLEE SCHWARTZESTERNELIEDER DAVIS M. AGHARTA DAVIS M. 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MOTO GROSSO FEIO WAYNE SHORTER A COLLECTION SILENT WILL MARCELLI HOLDSWORTH SUNS OF ARQA SHABDA TALKING HEADS REMAIN IN LIGHT TEKTON MOTOR CORPORATION HUMAN RACE IGNITION From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Sep 28 15:58:21 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:58:21 -0300 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW New live cut from last nights show: 'London Rocker' by S Message-ID: Could someone let me know back burner if the file is playing.. PeaCE, mIKE ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:56 PM To: boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; Sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW New live cut from last nights show: 'London Rocker' by Screaming Lord Sutch Hi all, Last night marks the end of my performances as a 'never been married man'. Tomorrow I tie the knot, as they say. We are beginning to play some of the material which we are thinking of touching on the forthcoming album. This news just in: The One Eyed Bishops will be recording a version of this tune, Lord Sutch's 'London Rocker' with Downliners Sect members Don Craine & Keith Grant. The session will take place at 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', aka the personal Studio of Terry Clemson of The TT's. The lineup set for this session will be the following: Mike Burro: Rhythm guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: Drumkit and djembe, vocals Don Craine: Rhythm guitar, vocals, recitation Keith Grant: Bass, vocals Terry Clemson, lead guitar & production For info regarding the Downliners Sect & The TT's see the following URLs: www.angelfire.com/rock3/yardbird_sect/ www.tts.ttsfans.com http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ( here last night's cut now!!) Peace, Mike Burro "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 29 09:12:42 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:12:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: I think they might be on this., good hunting capt.! >From: "Captain Bl at ck" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:42:54 +0100 > >A while ago someone posted up a link to some fine Hawkfest photos - does >anyone remember where they are? > >NB: They aren't the ones at Kevin Sommers site. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From gordonreid9 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 29 13:39:11 2002 From: gordonreid9 at HOTMAIL.COM (Gordon Reid) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:39:11 -0400 Subject: HW/Motorhead Tour Message-ID: Can anyone help me. As we all know Hawkwind are special guests at the Motorhead gig at Wembly on Oct 19th. Are they guesting with Motorhead on any other dates on the tour. In todays Sunday Mail news paper in the gig guide it has an advert for the Motorhead gig at the Clyde Auditorium Glasgow on Oct 14th and it has Hawkwind as the special guests. So if anyone can help find out if this is true, i would not miss this for anything if it's true. Cheers, Gordon. From youless at LVCM.COM Sun Sep 29 15:42:48 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:42:48 -0400 Subject: HW: new Screen Saver Message-ID: Hi I've just uploaded a new Hawkwind Screen Saver, by Clipedesign, to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page (http://www.starfarer.net). It's on the Winamp Skins page, which is the topmost entry in the "Features" section on the Index page. Steve From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Sep 30 02:52:36 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:52:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Full press release for 'A Long Day's Night' Message-ID: Blue Oyster Cult To Release Live CD And DVD/VHS 'A Long Day's Night' On CMC International And Sanctuary Visual Entertainment; CD Coming On Sept. 24, 2002; DVD/VHS To Follow On Oct. 8, 2002 Blue Oyster Cult is celebrating its 30th anniversary in 2002, and the legendary hard-rock band is honoring the occasion by releasing the live CD 'A Long Day's Night' on September 24 and a companion DVD/VHS home video on October 8. 'A Long Day's Night' is BOC's first live album in more than 20 years, and the CD will be released on CMC International Records. The DVD/VHS is being issued by Sanctuary Visual Entertainment. Both CMC International and Sanctuary Visual Entertainment are divisions of the Sanctuary Records Group. Lead vocalist/lead guitarist Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser, lead vocalist/rhythm guitarist Eric Bloom, keyboardist/guitarist Allen Lanier, bass guitarist Danny Miranda and drummer Bobby Rondinelli recorded and filmed 'A Long Day's Night' on June 21, 2002, at the Skyline Stage at the Navy Pier in Chicago, IL. BOC fans from all across the country came to be a part of this well publicized event. The performance featured songs spanning the band's entire three-decade-long career, from 1972's self-titled debut album to 2001's 'Curse of the Hidden Mirror.' Everything from major mainstream hits to album tracks that appeal to die-hard BOC fans are highlighted. The CD and DVD/VHS were produced by BOC manager Steve Schenck. The DVD/VHS was directed by Mike Drumm. The CD includes 13 tracks: "Stairway to the Stars," "Burnin' For You," "OD'd on Life Itself," "Dance on Stilts," "Buck's Boogie," "Quicklime Girl," "Harvest Moon," "Astronomy," "Cities on Flame With Rock & Roll," "Perfect Water," "Lips in the Hills," "Godzilla" and "Don't Fear the Reaper." The song "Astronomy" is a bonus track not included on the DVD/VHS. The DVD/VHS, which was shot on high-definition videotape, features 19 tracks: "Stairway to the Stars," "Burnin' For You," "OD'd on Life Itself," "E.T.I.," "Dance on Stilts," "Harvester of Eyes," "Buck's Boogie," "Quicklime Girl," "Flaming Telepaths," "Harvest Moon," "Last Days of May," "Cities on Flame With Rock & Roll," "M.E. 262," "Perfect Water," "Lips in the Hills," "Godzilla," "Don't Fear the Reaper," "Dominance and Submission" and "The Red and the Black." The DVD and VHS are both presented in widescreen (letterbox) format. The DVD sound is mastered in Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1 and Dolby 2.0 and the VHS is mastered in Dolby Stereo. Special bonus features on the DVD are band interviews, behind-the-scenes footage, fan interviews and more. 'A Long Day's Night' will have its high-definition television broadcast premiere on September 19, 2002, at 10:00 p.m. Eastern on HDNet's channel 199 on DirecTV. Throughout Blue Oyster Cult's impressive career, the band has earned a well-deserved reputation as "the thinking man's heavy metal band." BOC came out of Long Island, NY, and immediately delighted critics and fans. Utterly relentless touring developed and strengthened the fan base, and the band remains a fearsome road warrior to this day. Not only was BOC's music hard-hitting, the subject matter and lyrics of its songs were fresh and clever -- particularly for a style of music not exactly revered for its braininess. Science fiction, horror, violence and tongue-in-cheek humor are common threads in much of BOC's material. Albums like 'Blue Oyster Cult,' 'Tyranny and Mutation,' 'Secret Treaties' and the live 'On Your Feet or On Your Knees' gradually built up BOC's fan base and earned critical respect. The mainstream breakthrough was the explosion of 1976's 'Agents of Fortune' and the hauntingly immortal smash hit single "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." The band began headlining arena and stadium concerts worldwide. Subsequent albums like 'Spectres,' the live 'Some Enchanted Evening,' 'Mirrors' and 'Cultosaurus Erectus' further cemented Blue Oyster Cult's status as one of the finest hard-rock bands in history. Another mainstream commercial tornado struck with 1981's 'Fire of Unknown Origin' album and its mammoth hit single "Burnin' For You." The winning streak continued through the years with the live 'Extraterrestrial Live,' 'The Revolution By Night,' 'Club Ninja,' 'Imaginos,' 'Heaven Forbid' and 'Curse of the Hidden Mirror.' 'A Long Day's Night' -- both the CD and DVD/VHS -- simply offers unquestionable proof that Blue Oyster Cult has thrived for 30 years because of the exciting evolution of its challenging music and its peerless ability to present the music to worldwide audiences through consistently electrifying live performances. For more information and a list of never-ending tour dates, check out www.blueoystercult.com. http://www.blueoystercult.com http://www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.com From anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 30 05:36:34 2002 From: anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM (Simon) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:36:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: Hello there, There are some pics and a nice festival report written by Martin at our site www.litmusmusic.co.uk. Cheers, Simon. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 30 07:05:07 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:05:07 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkfest Photos Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:36:53 AEDT, Simon writes: > Hello there, > There are some pics and a nice festival report written by Martin at our > site www.litmusmusic.co.uk. > Cheers, > Simon. Cheers mate :-) From piefum at SUPEREVA.IT Mon Sep 30 07:36:05 2002 From: piefum at SUPEREVA.IT (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:36:05 +0200 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member In-Reply-To: <200209280328.XAA06271@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Steve Youles wrote: > This was indeed very useful - thank you. I've updated the Hawkwind Codex > at http://www.starfarer.net/hwcodex.html to reflect your suggestions > for "Who's Gonna Win The War?". Personally I'm not convinced that the 2 > versions of Robot discussed are the same, so no changes there...yet... great list man, I see that I must buy a lot of another CDs to complete my little HW's discografy. I am a great motorhead fan, and in your list I see a HW's album called Orgasmatron, like the motorhead one. But... what kind of LP is it? I have NEVER seen it in the list of the other people... from your list I take up this traklist: angels of death brainstorm images magnu mask of morning master of the universe new jerusalem the right stuff shut down in the night silver machine spirit of the age I see, there are a lot of song that Lemmy played in the early days... can you tell me the solution of this mystere? :) === oh, well, I am a new member of the list: I am a great fan of Motorhead and i listen Hawkwind because people told me that this was the first group of Lemmy... but Hawkwind now is not a group, is my reason of life! I MUST see them... do you know if they're coming here in Italy? A big hallo from the other italian fans, and sorry for my english :) ciao!, gg From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Sep 30 07:58:27 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:58:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson Message-ID: KING CRIMSON TO REIGN AGAIN: (Press Release) Pioneering rock band KING CRIMSON will release its new studio EP 'Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With' on Sanctuary Records on October 8, 2002. It is the band's Sanctuary debut. King Crimson is led by founding guitarist Robert Fripp and rounding out the quartet are longtime guitarist/vocalist Adrian Belew, stick player/bass guitarist Trey Gunn and drummer/percussionist Pat Mastelotto. The 11 tracks on 'Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With' include: "Bude," "Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With," "Mie Gakure," "She Shudders," "Eyes Wide Open," "Sho Ga Nai," "I Ran," "Somedays Blue," "Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part IV)," "Clouds" and bonus track "Einstein's Relatives." The studio tracks are separated by a series of brief musical haikus. Fripp has led the band through more than three decades of musical experimentation that completely pushes the structure of rock, jazz and classical music to its limits. King Crimson has enjoyed some measure of commercial popularity over the years, but its fan base is primarily a die-hard cult. Regular touring has broadened the band's appeal, and a recent tour opening for Tool successfully exposed another generation to King Crimson's challenging-yet-rewarding music. Of that tour, Tool's lead singer Maynard Keenan stated, "I have a feeling kids are going to come and hear King Crimson and go, 'Tool ripped these guys off blind,' because it'll be right there for you to see. But we've said that all along, that we're definitely influenced by this band, there's no mystery." Many of the world's finest rock musicians have been members of King Crimson and gone on to their own successful projects, including: vocalist/guitarist/bass guitarist Greg Lake (Emerson, Lake & Palmer), drummer Bill Bruford (Yes, Genesis), saxophonist Ian McDonald (Foreigner), bass guitarist Boz Burrell (Bad Company), bass guitarist/vocalist John Wetton (Uriah Heep, U.K., Asia) and bass guitarist Tony Levin (Peter Gabriel). Members of the current lineup have other notable groups on their resumes in addition to King Crimson. Belew led the Bears and recorded many solo albums. Mastelotto was a member of Mr. Mister and played on countless sessions for other high-profile musicians. Mastelotto and Gunn have both collaborated with the California Guitar Trio as well. 'Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With' marks yet another important step in the fearless, forward-thinking vision of King Crimson. The band will follow up the EP with a full-length album, 'The Power To Believe,' in early 2003, along with an extensive world tour. From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Mon Sep 30 09:13:50 2002 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:50 +0200 Subject: OFF: sun dial news Message-ID: Concert news One of David Tibet's favourite groups will be playing live after a very long absence from concerts. Gary Ramon, leader of Sun Dial and Quad, played guitar for CurrentNinetyThree at their shows at London's Bloomsbury Theatre in 2001. David Tibet will be playing harmonium in Quad on the evening. Sun Dial will also feature Joolie Wood from Current93 and Peter Dunton from T2, whose album 'It'll All Work Out in Boomland' is one of Tibet's top twenty albums. They will be playing material from their astonishing debut album, released last century, for the first time. Sun Dial with Hypnosis and Quad live at Ocean 2, 270 Mare Street, Hackney, London E8 1HE 5 December 2002 Tickets ?12.50 advance or ?15.00 on the door Ocean box office: +44 (0)20 7314 2800. There will be a special Sun Dial 7" for all ticket holders available only on the night. I really hope that someone I know will be able to record this special event! scott ObCD- Ole Lukk?ye- Tiger-Horse (Russia 2002) From youless at LVCM.COM Mon Sep 30 09:49:34 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:49:34 -0400 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member Message-ID: Hi GG Your English is great :-) I didn't write the list, credit goes to Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge. I think "Orgasmatron" is an audience recording from a live gig, not an official release. Others will correct me if I'm wrong, which is entirely possible. As far as I know Hawkwind have no plans to visit Italy, although there was talk of a World Tour and/or European dates some months ago. Keep your eye on Mission Control (http://www.hawkwind.org.uk) for tour dates Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:36:05 +0200, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: >I am a great motorhead fan, and in your list I see a HW's album called >Orgasmatron, like the motorhead one. But... what kind of LP is it? I >have NEVER seen it in the list of the other people... >I see, there are a lot of song that Lemmy played in the early days... >can you tell me the solution of this mystere? :) > >=== > >oh, well, I am a new member of the list: I am a great fan of Motorhead >and i listen Hawkwind because people told me that this was the first >group of Lemmy... but Hawkwind now is not a group, is my reason of >life! I MUST see them... do you know if they're coming here in Italy? > >A big hallo from the other italian fans, and sorry for my english :) > > > >ciao!, gg From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 30 10:14:38 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:14:38 EDT Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member Message-ID: and lets not forget the poor deprived Aussie fans either lol ;-) In a message dated Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:51:43 AEDT, Steve Youles writes: > Hi GG > > Your English is great :-) I didn't write the list, credit goes to Mike > Holmes and Jill Strobridge. I think "Orgasmatron" is an audience recording > from a live gig, not an official release. Others will correct me if I'm > wrong, which is entirely possible. > > As far as I know Hawkwind have no plans to visit Italy, although there was > talk of a World Tour and/or European dates some months ago. Keep your eye > on Mission Control (http://www.hawkwind.org.uk) for tour dates > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:36:05 +0200, Pierluigi Fumi > wrote: > > > > >I am a great motorhead fan, and in your list I see a HW's album called > >Orgasmatron, like the motorhead one. But... what kind of LP is it? I > >have NEVER seen it in the list of the other people... > > > > >I see, there are a lot of song that Lemmy played in the early days... > >can you tell me the solution of this mystere? :) > > > >=== > > > >oh, well, I am a new member of the list: I am a great fan of Motorhead > >and i listen Hawkwind because people told me that this was the first > >group of Lemmy... but Hawkwind now is not a group, is my reason of > >life! I MUST see them... do you know if they're coming here in Italy? > > > >A big hallo from the other italian fans, and sorry for my english :) > > > > > > > >ciao!, gg From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Sep 30 10:34:18 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member Message-ID: OK, Michael, ...your're English is great too! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member > and lets not forget the poor deprived Aussie fans either lol ;-) > > > In a message dated Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:51:43 AEDT, Steve Youles writes: > > > Hi GG > > > > Your English is great :-) I didn't write the list, credit goes to Mike > > Holmes and Jill Strobridge. I think "Orgasmatron" is an audience recording > > from a live gig, not an official release. Others will correct me if I'm > > wrong, which is entirely possible. > > > > As far as I know Hawkwind have no plans to visit Italy, although there was > > talk of a World Tour and/or European dates some months ago. Keep your eye > > on Mission Control (http://www.hawkwind.org.uk) for tour dates > > > > Steve > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:36:05 +0200, Pierluigi Fumi > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >I am a great motorhead fan, and in your list I see a HW's album called > > >Orgasmatron, like the motorhead one. But... what kind of LP is it? I > > >have NEVER seen it in the list of the other people... > > > > > > > > >I see, there are a lot of song that Lemmy played in the early days... > > >can you tell me the solution of this mystere? :) > > > > > >=== > > > > > >oh, well, I am a new member of the list: I am a great fan of Motorhead > > >and i listen Hawkwind because people told me that this was the first > > >group of Lemmy... but Hawkwind now is not a group, is my reason of > > >life! I MUST see them... do you know if they're coming here in Italy? > > > > > >A big hallo from the other italian fans, and sorry for my english :) > > > > > > > > > > > >ciao!, gg > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Sep 30 11:24:17 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:24:17 +0200 Subject: HW: 4 new re-issues AND New Member In-Reply-To: <631437857.20020930133605@supereva.it> Message-ID: Hi Pierluigi At 13:36 30.09.2002 +0200, you wrote: >I am a great motorhead fan, and in your list I see a HW's album >called Orgasmatron, like the motorhead one. But... what kind of LP >is it? I have NEVER seen it in the list of the other people... >from your list I take up this traklist: It is a bootleg CD with various live recordings >the right stuff 16.04.85 >angels of death 16.04.85 >new jerusalem 04.12.79 >spirit of the age 06.12.71 >master of the universe 06.12.71 >mask of morning 24.04.92 >images 02.07.90 >brainstorm 20.06.84 >magnu 24.08.85 >shut down in the night 22.04.88 Hope that helps If you have more questions please feel free to ask cheers Bernhard From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Sep 30 11:44:03 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:44:03 -0400 Subject: Spiral Galaxy Revisited - Simon House Message-ID: I just received this in my order from Cranium. Fantastic CD. I'm prob one of the last on the list(s) to get it.. but if you don't have it go out and buy it. Mike ________________________ The income tax has made liars out of more Americans than golf. -- Will Rogers From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Sep 30 11:25:15 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:25:15 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] Wembley gig?? Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Wembley gig?? > The ads for this tour in Kerrang magazine imply that Hawkwind are playing at > all dates on the tour along with another band - Skew Siskin (I think). Can > anyone confirm this is true? Arthur Brown said, on Friday (when he opened for the Pretty Things) that he`s been invited to open the Wembley show with an acoustic set. >From the horses mouth, but I have no other info at all. Si From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 30 14:37:23 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:37:23 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] Wembley gig?? Message-ID: >From what I understand, HW are doing Wembley only. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Si Halley" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Wembley gig?? > Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Wembley gig?? > > > > The ads for this tour in Kerrang magazine imply that Hawkwind are playing > at > > all dates on the tour along with another band - Skew Siskin (I think). > Can > > anyone confirm this is true? > > Arthur Brown said, on Friday (when he opened for the Pretty Things) that > he`s been invited to open the Wembley show with an acoustic set. > From the horses mouth, but I have no other info at all. > > Si > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 30 16:58:51 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (rich.warren) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:58:51 -0700 Subject: BOC-L: Hawkwind Wembley Message-ID: So Who's Going on the 19th, And which pub are we going to descend on? ;-) Rich W From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 30 15:01:01 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:01:01 +0100 Subject: BOC-L: Hawkwind Wembley Message-ID: I am going:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich.warren" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: BOC-L: Hawkwind Wembley So Who's Going on the 19th, And which pub are we going to descend on? ;-) Rich W From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 30 19:09:35 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:09:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead Message-ID: All this discussion of the upcoming Wembley gig has me wondering ... When was the last time that Hawkwind and Motorhead played on the same bill? Same venue on subsequent nights doesn't count ;^). Was it long enough ago that Hawkwind was the headliner? (Didn't Motorhead open on one of the '77 tours?) TIA, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Sep 30 23:19:29 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:19:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Stirring up more Unwanted Negative Controversy Message-ID: ---Hi, X-tian, if you're reading this. Hi, BOC-L. Maybe I'm being paranoid, or did the fact that I was born of Ashkenazic Jews genetically inspire such outrageous behaviour of selling half my HW/Related collection?? At least I didn't bow to pressure from Hells' Angels (ha, ha, this _IS_ funny, X-tian!, ya know we Jews do have a great sense of humour...it's genetic, ya know). Tain't had nothin' to do w/paying' the bills and being stone broke. And I did burn it all to CD-R, so at least I can inspire a few local SoCalifornians to occasionally buy that HW CD they just might spot... Better than letting it rot in some Norwegian dumpster, for the rats and stray moose to gnaw on (we KNOW you didn't really do this, X-tian, question is: do you??). Rosenberg PS: What's Jewish about trading a CD of Pressurehed's "Sudden Vertigo" for a badly-dubbed 90-minute Norwegian-Radio Shack cassette of Legendary Pink Dots)? NP: Ashqelon Quilt (Blasphemic Islamic Israeli Biker Hippy Nazi Jew Psyche Band) >>> Hell's Angels kept fucking with me over me being a deadhead in Hawkwind since my mid-teens, saying I was some kind of stupid hippy kid for being such a massive Hawkwind deadhead, so I just decided to throw everything away after several months of harrassment, keeping some bootlegs even though I even tossed all my Hawkwind t-shirts and some of my rather hot memorabilia like rare tickets and patches. Rather that than sell it all and be a jew about it. I am still a fan though, and you can see some of my Hawkwind collection up at http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/hawkwind.html Christian crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Sun Sep 29 13:32:44 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:32:44 +1000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Website Message-ID: G'day all If I was to buy one of the bedouin CD's, which one would be the best. I really enjoy the longer style tracks that the Hawks have produced (Psychedelic Warlords...etc) & quite enjoy many of Motorhead's chunkier tracks (Killed by Death...etc)...& you just gotta love Hassan I Sahba. I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Looks like only 2 CD's are available "Live & Beyond" & "As Above So Below". MP3 version of Vision Quest is not too bad. Thanks Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin Website > Cheers man, Exellent web site and regarding the merchandise...... I want one of EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! > > > The NEW Bedouin Website is now online, with band profiles, > > discographies, picture galleries, gig listings and merchandise....