From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 1 00:44:31 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:44:31 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 10/26 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . 10/26 1.Escapade "A Symphony of Sirens" (Rule #3; Submergence/Mother West ) 2.Quarkspace "Pavlovian Causeway" (Drop; Eternity's Jest) 3.Shalabi Effect "Apparitions" (ST'd; Alien8) 4.Rockin' Teenage Combo "Slinkshot" (ST'd; Innerspace) 5.Albert Ayler "Masonic Inborn Pt. 1" (Music is the Healing Force of the Universe; ABC/Impulse) 6.Hawkwind "Angel Voices/Nuclear Drive" (Church of Hawkwind; Griffen) 7.Mr. Quimby's Beard "D-Jam" (ST'd; Freaky Fungi) 8.Legendary Pink Dots "On Another Shore" (9 Lives to Wonder) 9.Amon Duul II "Sleepwalker's Timeless Dream" (Wolf City; Repetoire/Mantra/Capt. Trip) 10.Salamander "Black Heart" (Red Ampersand; Camera Obscura) 11.Kopeikin "Sonic Attack" (Shadow Trap; Falcata-Galia/Transparency) 12.Hannibal and the Sunrise Orchestra "The Voyage" (ST'd; MPS) 13.Faust "title-track" (Rien; Table of the Elements) 14.Amon Duul II "Race from Here to Your Ears" (Tanz der Lemminge; Repetoire/Mantra/Capt. Trip) 15.Shalabi Effect "On the Bowery" (ST'd; Alien8) thanks, Chuck From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 1 02:04:02 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:04:02 -0000 Subject: HW: walthamstow stuff Message-ID: Can anybody give us an idea how feasible it is to stay in Central London after the gig...is it easily to do by tube or overland at that time of night? Arin - might well be interested in a hotel, can you keep me in the loop please? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: HW: walthamstow stuff > Hi folks, > > Still getting details from hotels. > > eek, but they are expensive around that time period. > > So far, the best deals have come in from Comfort Inn Vauxhall (on the > Victoria Line just south of the thames) and from the Holiday Inn Express > in chingford (approx 1/4 mile from the venue, according to Rik.) > > (Although I'm still waiting on confirmation from the latter, so don't > call them yet...) > > The former is about 60 pounds a night, the latter should be about 50. > > I'm off away at a conference in Philly next week, so can spend more time > harassing hotels in the evening...but my general question: > > Are folks ok with something up by the walthamstow venue, or do you want to > be in central london? > > Thx, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Nov 1 03:38:10 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:38:10 -0000 Subject: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Make that three - drowning in Dead live cassettes here - anyone want to exchange for non-Dead tapes or CD-R's??? I gotta get rid of these things.......the originals that is. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink Dots > Excellent > > Very Few Grateful Dead fans who are Hawkwind fans. Which surprises me. > > I had thought that Darren and myself were the only two. > > Mike > > _____________________________________________ > > Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater. > > -- Gail Godwin > > > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer > ::Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:52 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Re: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink > ::Dots > :: > :: > ::I am a fan of The Grateful Dead as well. My fave three > ::Dead albums are "Aoxomoxoa", "Live/Dead" and "American > ::Beauty". A skinhead or a deadhead, in the 60's and > ::70's, Hawkwind or Grateful Dead fans were likely > ::either or. > :: > ::Chr. > :: > ::>Funny I always thought that Deadheads were fans of > ::the >Dead. > :: > ::> ________________________________ > ::> We live in a Newtonian world of Einsteinian physics > ::> ruled by Frankenstein logic. > :: > ::> -- David Russell > :: > :: > :: > :: ::->-----Original Message----- > :: ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > ::[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > :: ::->Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer > :: ::->Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:34 AM > :: ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > :: ::->Subject: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind > ::and Legendary Pink Dots > :: ::-> > :: ::-> > :: ::->boc-l, > :: ::-> > :: ::->Let me explain abit my position on Hawkwind and > ::boc-l > :: ::->since I have recently been controversial on this > ::list, > :: ::->people calling me a c*nt and stuff like that. > :: ::-> > :: ::->I've been a bona fide Hawkwind deadhead since > ::1988 > :: ::->with the "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" CD on > :: ::->Flicknife, and was officially initiated deadhead > ::at my > :: ::->first Hawkwind live experience at the Alaska in > ::Oslo, > :: ::->'91. They were a power trio very well captured on > ::the > :: ::->same tour on the > :: ::->"Kings of Speed, Lords of Light" bootleg CD. I > ::have > :: ::->since acquired over 120 Hawkwind CD's and will > ::remain > :: ::->faithful to Hawkwind forever. I just recently had > ::to > :: ::->toss my old Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch t-shirt > :: ::->I bought at the show because it was so worn. Wore > ::an > :: ::->Earth Ritual patch on my army coat for years. > ::Also had > :: ::->to get the Black Sword tour programme too for my > :: ::->Michael Moorcock/Hawkwind archive. > :: ::-> > :: ::->I turned onto dothead when I saw the Legendary > ::Pink > :: ::->Dots play Oslo in '97. Particularly fell for > ::"Faces In > :: ::->The Fire", "Asylum", "From Here You'll Watch The > ::World > :: ::->Go By" and "Legendary Pink Box". > :: ::-> > :: ::->I first joined this list in 1996 and have been a > :: ::->sporadic contributor ever since. > :: ::-> > :: ::->Anyway, just had to a few things off my chest, > ::nazi or > :: ::->no nazi, probably more of a skinhead or a punk or > ::a > :: ::->hippy all the way, either way... a dothead is a > :: ::->dothead is a deadhead, a deadhead, a deadhead... > :: ::-> > :: ::->Chr. > :: ::-> > :: ::->crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > :: ::->speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > :: ::-> > :: ::->Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips > :: ::-> > :: > ::__________________________________________________ > ::Do You Yahoo!? > ::Everything you'll ever need on one web page > ::from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > ::http://uk.my.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 1 06:15:12 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:15:12 EDT Subject: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <20021031232730.16472.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 31 Oct 2002, at 23:27, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > This was stolen from me at the airport in France last > year with a batch of other CD's and personal pictures > when visiting my family in New York. You came to New York and didn't look me up? You really ARE a c+nt! > > Call me hotheaded, but I got rid of a bunch of CD's > and memorabilia when Hell's Angels kept bugging me > over being a Hawkwind deadhead for all these years, > accusing me of being some kind of jew kid out of > Australia. > Oops! There goes that 'J' word again... > >Anyway, just had to a few things off my chest, nazi > or > >no nazi, probably more of a skinhead or a punk or a > >hippy all the way, either way... And all points in-between... theo From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Fri Nov 1 07:50:13 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:50:13 -0500 Subject: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hi, Mike, a Dead fan here,too. not a big fan of their studio albums,but really enjoy the live stuff tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink Dots > Excellent > > Very Few Grateful Dead fans who are Hawkwind fans. Which surprises me. > > I had thought that Darren and myself were the only two. > > Mike > > _____________________________________________ > > Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater. > > -- Gail Godwin > > > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer > ::Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:52 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Re: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind and Legendary Pink > ::Dots > :: > :: > ::I am a fan of The Grateful Dead as well. My fave three > ::Dead albums are "Aoxomoxoa", "Live/Dead" and "American > ::Beauty". A skinhead or a deadhead, in the 60's and > ::70's, Hawkwind or Grateful Dead fans were likely > ::either or. > :: > ::Chr. > :: > ::>Funny I always thought that Deadheads were fans of > ::the >Dead. > :: > ::> ________________________________ > ::> We live in a Newtonian world of Einsteinian physics > ::> ruled by Frankenstein logic. > :: > ::> -- David Russell > :: > :: > :: > :: ::->-----Original Message----- > :: ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > ::[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > :: ::->Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer > :: ::->Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:34 AM > :: ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > :: ::->Subject: HW: my position on this list, Hawkwind > ::and Legendary Pink Dots > :: ::-> > :: ::-> > :: ::->boc-l, > :: ::-> > :: ::->Let me explain abit my position on Hawkwind and > ::boc-l > :: ::->since I have recently been controversial on this > ::list, > :: ::->people calling me a c*nt and stuff like that. > :: ::-> > :: ::->I've been a bona fide Hawkwind deadhead since > ::1988 > :: ::->with the "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" CD on > :: ::->Flicknife, and was officially initiated deadhead > ::at my > :: ::->first Hawkwind live experience at the Alaska in > ::Oslo, > :: ::->'91. They were a power trio very well captured on > ::the > :: ::->same tour on the > :: ::->"Kings of Speed, Lords of Light" bootleg CD. I > ::have > :: ::->since acquired over 120 Hawkwind CD's and will > ::remain > :: ::->faithful to Hawkwind forever. I just recently had > ::to > :: ::->toss my old Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch t-shirt > :: ::->I bought at the show because it was so worn. Wore > ::an > :: ::->Earth Ritual patch on my army coat for years. > ::Also had > :: ::->to get the Black Sword tour programme too for my > :: ::->Michael Moorcock/Hawkwind archive. > :: ::-> > :: ::->I turned onto dothead when I saw the Legendary > ::Pink > :: ::->Dots play Oslo in '97. Particularly fell for > ::"Faces In > :: ::->The Fire", "Asylum", "From Here You'll Watch The > ::World > :: ::->Go By" and "Legendary Pink Box". > :: ::-> > :: ::->I first joined this list in 1996 and have been a > :: ::->sporadic contributor ever since. > :: ::-> > :: ::->Anyway, just had to a few things off my chest, > ::nazi or > :: ::->no nazi, probably more of a skinhead or a punk or > ::a > :: ::->hippy all the way, either way... a dothead is a > :: ::->dothead is a deadhead, a deadhead, a deadhead... > :: ::-> > :: ::->Chr. > :: ::-> > :: ::->crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > :: ::->speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > :: ::-> > :: ::->Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips > :: ::-> > :: > ::__________________________________________________ > ::Do You Yahoo!? > ::Everything you'll ever need on one web page > ::from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > ::http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 1 08:15:40 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:15:40 +0000 Subject: He's at it again Message-ID: Ok Time to Ditch Mumford Permanently. I think we've all had enough of his racist bullshit. He barely even posts about Hawkwind. He's been warned, time to get rid. Moderator please terminate with extreme prejudice R. From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Fri Nov 1 07:46:52 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:46:52 -0000 Subject: He's at it again In-Reply-To: <8072089.1036156540645.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: On 1 Nov 2002 at 13:15, Rich Warren wrote: > Ok Time to Ditch Mumford Permanently. Why? > > I think we've all had enough of his racist bullshit. He barely even posts about Hawkwind. He's been warned, time to get rid. What racist bullshit? He typed the word Jew. Is that a crime now? > > Moderator please terminate with extreme prejudice > > R. Or not! Where's all the racist bullshit? Or do you just not like his posts? Please explain. Horse From ben at TMK.COM Fri Nov 1 08:50:38 2002 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:50:38 -0500 Subject: He's at it again In-Reply-To: <3DC277BC.8467.B45CE6E@localhost> Message-ID: Folks, Put this discussion on hold permanently. Christian (and others) are on moderator review which means I have to approve every post that makes it to the list. If you've got an issue with something I let through (or someone else who you think should be put on review), send it to me directly. This is no longer a topic for on-list discussion. Period. Ben Cohen moderator, BOC-L From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 1 09:52:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:52:15 GMT Subject: HW: walthamstow stuff In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:01:24 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hi folks, > > Still getting details from hotels. > > eek, but they are expensive around that time period. > > So far, the best deals have come in from Comfort Inn Vauxhall (on the > Victoria Line just south of the thames) and from the Holiday Inn Express > in chingford (approx 1/4 mile from the venue, according to Rik.) > > (Although I'm still waiting on confirmation from the latter, so don't > call them yet...) > > The former is about 60 pounds a night, the latter should be about 50. > > I'm off away at a conference in Philly next week, so can spend more time > harassing hotels in the evening...but my general question: > > Are folks ok with something up by the walthamstow venue, or do you want to > be in central london? I'm OK with something near the venue. FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 1 10:54:49 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:49 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow stuff In-Reply-To: <000401c28174$f7dadb60$ab994c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Ian Abrahams wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: walthamstow stuff : :Can anybody give us an idea how feasible it is to stay in Central London :after the gig...is it easily to do by tube or overland at that time of :night? It was difficult last year after the last walthamstow show. A bunch of us ended up taking minicabs back to the hotel we were staying at. :Arin - might well be interested in a hotel, can you keep me in the loop :please? Certainly! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Nov 1 13:24:05 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: I received my copy of White Line Fever today; its interesting that an initial scan reveals that Lemmy puts a lot of blame on the 'drum orchestra' of Simon King and Alan Powell for his sacking. From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Fri Nov 1 13:38:30 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:38:30 +0000 Subject: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind inspired In-Reply-To: <20021027215524.3111.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 21:55 27/10/02, you wrote: >Has anybody heard the music of the Warlocks. >Everyone is commenting how they sound like >Early Hawkwind and other cool 70's bands. > >Warlock web site is at >http://www.thewarlocks.com/ > >has anybody seen the albums in shops? > >--roger Nice to know that recycling is still alive & well in rock'n'roll - wasn't that aformer name of the Grateful Dead? ChrisW NP:Kyuss...And The Circus Leaves Town -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/02 From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 1 15:07:49 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:07:49 -0000 Subject: My position on the list Message-ID: I generally find that my enthusiasm to turn others on to Hawkwind leaves me in the missionary position. Tom From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Nov 1 15:10:53 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:10:53 -0500 Subject: My position on the list Message-ID: well there are worse potions then the missionary position :0 ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Byrne" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: My position on the list > I generally find that my enthusiasm to turn others on to Hawkwind leaves me > in the missionary position. > > Tom From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 1 15:33:02 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:33:02 -0500 Subject: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind inspired Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:38:30 +0000, Chris Warburton wrote: >At 21:55 27/10/02, you wrote: > >>Has anybody heard the music of the Warlocks. >>Everyone is commenting how they sound like >>Early Hawkwind and other cool 70's bands. >> >Nice to know that recycling is still alive & well in rock'n'roll - wasn't >that aformer name of the Grateful Dead? Yes. Also the Velvet Underground. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Nov 1 16:17:59 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:17:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: ericbloom.net is online Message-ID: It looks like they're still sorting out some bugs, at least as far as the Mac I use at work goes (I viewed it with the latest versions of IE and Netscape), but otherwise the site looks pretty cool. There's a nifty Flash intro of Eric riding his Harley on an alien planet. Please no e-mail on how Flash intros are the antithesis of responsible Web design. ;-) It's a SHORT Flash intro that you can easily skip. http://www.ericbloom.net Brian NP> Queens of the Stone Age "Songs For the Deaf" From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 1 18:16:40 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:16:40 -0000 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: Hi y'all, Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU at the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. Don't ask why!!! Trev (Judge) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 1 20:23:42 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:23:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >I received my copy of White Line Fever today ... Oh, MAN! I really, really, hope that this is available in the USA on its scheduled release date of tuesday ... (In the meantime, feel free to reveal more of the information contained therein!) -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 1 23:20:49 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:50:49 +1030 Subject: My position on the list Message-ID: At the church of Hawkwind there are many positions open to debate. Mass debating is not tolerated tho. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Byrne To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:37 AM Subject: My position on the list > I generally find that my enthusiasm to turn others on to Hawkwind leaves me > in the missionary position. > > Tom From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 1 23:24:26 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:54:26 +1030 Subject: My position on the list Message-ID: Like the bareback saddle straddle with your lady whilst riding a mule on the grand canyon tour. Really bad especially if you are allergic to mule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: Re: My position on the list > well there are worse potions then the missionary position :0 > ken > > Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you > http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Byrne" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:07 PM > Subject: My position on the list > > > > I generally find that my enthusiasm to turn others on to Hawkwind leaves > me > > in the missionary position. > > > > Tom > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 1 23:25:00 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:55:00 +1030 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: Why? ----- Original Message ----- From: Trev To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Hi y'all, Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU at the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. Don't ask why!!! Trev (Judge) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 1 23:30:49 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:00:49 +1030 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: How so? ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: HW: Lemmy I received my copy of White Line Fever today; its interesting that an initial scan reveals that Lemmy puts a lot of blame on the 'drum orchestra' of Simon King and Alan Powell for his sacking. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 2 06:24:30 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:24:30 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock & Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 2, 2002): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio and Alchemical Radio. If you haven't seen it yet, don't forget that the October 2002 issue of Aural Innovations is online at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/issue21.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio show #60 The Liquid Sound Company - "Inside The Acid Temple" (from Inside The Acid Temple) ST 37 - "A Huge, Rare Cheese" (from Down On Us) The Mooncow Project - "Cow Of Plenty" (from Nandi) Shiva Shakti - "Notting Hill Gate" (from Shiva Shakti) Frank Gingeleit - ""X-tra-Terrestial Language Studies" (Nightmares & Escapades) Death & Taxe$ - "Frenetic Genetic Overdrive" (from Theenigmathatisman) World Of Tomorrow - "Descent Into Ohio" (from Global Citizen) World Of Tomorrow - "The Soft Black Ground" (from Global Citizen) Judge Trev - "The Personality - The Mind" (from God and Man) The AcidGuitarKing - "Audio Escape" (from Rainbow Morningstar) Skye Klad - "Reign Song" (from Skye Klad II) Mirrors - "White/Black Dwarf" (from Neutron Star) Edward Artemiev - "Ode To The Herald Of Good" (from Three Odes) Anomie - "Paths Of Life" (from A Trip Into The Unknown) Alchemical Radio show #28 Saul Zonana - "All Together Now" Medication - "Prince Valium" Bitter Little Cider Apples - "BLCA" Absolute Zero - "Suenos Sombre Un Espejo" Doro - "Legends Never Die" Adrian - "Down In The Desert" Basement 3 - "Half Life" The Hangmen - "Zombie World" Madam X - "Trip Planet" Tantalus - "SHHHHHH! We're Sleeping" Yingwe Malmsteen - "Freedom" Jones Ave - "Saviours" Super Massive Object - "Ruby Skin" The Lucky Bishops - "Life In Hell" The Ozric Tentacles - "Erpland" Clear Blue Sky - "Picture Puzzle" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. NEW CD's in the Aural Innovations mail order catalog include: Pseudo Sun - "Atomic Dogs Don't Bark" Judge Trev - "Revolution and Rebellion" Judge Trev - "God and Man" Frank Gingeleit - "Nightmares & Escapades" Check out our mail order catalog at: http://aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Nov 2 09:27:30 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:27:30 -0000 Subject: My Position on the list Message-ID: I find your arch comment an interesting transcept. Though I'm not quite sure I want to enter a nave. I like to keep away from the pew. Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:50:49 +1030 From: Michael Blackman Subject: Re: My position on the list At the church of Hawkwind there are many positions open to debate. Mass debating is not tolerated tho. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 2 09:34:25 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:04:25 +1030 Subject: My Position on the list Message-ID: madman ;-) As long as you dont nick any of my virgins or try to scoop a bucket of honey from my river (of honey) btw - are you ever gonna return those tea towells you borrowed? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Byrne To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: My Position on the list > I find your arch comment an interesting transcept. > > Though I'm not quite sure I want to enter a nave. I like to keep away from > the pew. > > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:50:49 +1030 > From: Michael Blackman > Subject: Re: My position on the list > > At the church of Hawkwind there are many positions open to debate. > > Mass debating is not tolerated tho. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 2 13:49:45 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:49:45 -0000 Subject: More Judge Trev on the radio Message-ID: God and Man album review: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/trev02.html Aual Innovations radio download: "The Personality - The Mind", from Judge Trev's God and Man http://aural-innovations.com/radio/playlist.html#show60 Real Festival Music - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's, News, Reviews, Vid downloads, Forum From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 14:33:19 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:33:19 -0000 Subject: HW: walthamstow stuff Message-ID: >Are folks ok with something up by the walthamstow >venue, or do you want to >be in central london? Hi Arin, Walthamstow would be fine for us. GARY From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 14:37:39 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:37:39 +0000 Subject: HW: my once complete Hawkwind CD collection Message-ID: boc-l, This is absoulutely everything I have/had by Hawkwind before I had to dump several CD's at rock bottom prices. I am looking to replace most of these. If anyone knows where I can get a good deal getting a batch of these (Chuck: sorry I never got back to you on those discs) please let me know. Ignore the tape compilations (i.e. the "covers all" sets). Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm Hawkwind - PXR5 Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live Hawkwind - Live '79 Hawkwind - Levitation Hawkwind - Sonic Attack Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind Hawkwind - Zones Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife version) Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin version) Hawkwind - Out & Intake Hawkwind - Live Chronicles Hawkwind - Xenon Codex Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) Hawkwind - Electric Tepee Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox and other bands, charity EP) Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone Hawkwind - Alien 4 Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The Solstice (techno remixes) Hawkwind - Love In Space EP Hawkwind - Distant Horizons Hawkwind - In Your Area Hawkwind - Live 1997 Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early days) Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix bootleg of BBC Radio 1) Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live compilation) Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, March 21, 1974 (remastered) Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors Edition (Voiceprint 2CD) Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from book set) Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live bootleg 1991) Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert Years Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live compilation) Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife compilation) Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 (Flicknife compilation) Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation 90-95) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt Violence (Ceres tribute) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. I: I Am A Clone I Am Not Alone (unofficial tributes) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. II: Shadows Of The Hawk Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. III: Charged With Cosmic Energy Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. IV: Designed To Rob You Of Your Mind Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And Relations (Flicknife) Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic Travellers (Anagram) Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The Elf" EP & "Hawkfan 12" LP) HawXtar - HawXtar (DarXtar w/Nik Turner) Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sphynx: Xitintoday (1978) Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sphynx (1992) Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Prophets Of Time Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Space Ritual 1994 Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Past Or Future? Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sonic Attack 2001 Nik Turner (Hawkwind) & Dark Sun - Ice Ritual Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Earthed To The Ground Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Agents Of Chaos Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Captain Lockheed And The Starfighters Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Lucky Leif And The Longships Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Hype Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Blueprints From The Cellar Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Test Tube Conceived Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - At The Queen Elisabeth Hall Captain Jesus And The Sunray Dream - All Thanks To The Lord Jesus Christ Amen (w/Ron Bastard of Hawkwind) Captain Jesus And The Sunray Dream -The Day That Nebulon Exploded (w/Ron Bastard) Alan Davey (Hawkwind) - Captured Rotation Alan Davey (Hawkwind) - Chaos Delight Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 14:45:48 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:45:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert rundown Message-ID: Reviewing the Calvert solo material: Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Captain Lockheed And The Starfighters (from 1975 and recorded with several other Hawkwind members, this is the chronicle of experimental German fighter planes and their doomed test pilots. Weird spoken comic bits inbetween songs can get very unfunny though. However, classic rockin' tracks like "Ejection" and "Aerospace Age Inferno" have been covered by Hawkwind ever since and remain classic punkrock.) Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Lucky Leif And The Longships (recorded with other Hawkwind members and released in 1976, it is the tale of The Vikings and America, supposedly. Strange, strange, Robert.) Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Hype (Yet another concept album from Bob, this one chronicling the rise and fall of a successful young superstar, it was also published as a mass market paperback novel of his, the album itself being released in 1982) Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Blueprints From The Cellar (Interesting set of unreleased material, highlights being the more eerie tracks like "Radio Egypt") Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Test Tube Conceived (Brilliant and spooky concept album chronicling the technological conception and artificial evolution of a human laboratory clone. Nazi Germany probably has something to to with it... Some synthwork even brings to mind modern Kraftwerk, particularly songs like the title track and "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" highlighting this fine 1987 release.) Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Freq Revisited (Delving into the politics and dystopia of life on the picket line, the CD version also includes the classic and wonderful "The Greenfly And The Rose", the album is otherwise pretty much a plodding and awkward new wave concept album...) Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Nov 2 14:21:08 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:21:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: What's clear from reading more is that Lemmy and Simon didn't get on too well, especially towards the end, describing King as 'pompous' - "Those two (Simon and Alan Powell) effectively killed it between them", and that "Dave wanted me back in but the drum empire wouldn't let him". Not surprisingly, he's equally scathing about Paul Rudolph describing him as "a very, very mediocre bass player, the opposite of me". There isn't a huge amount of information about Lemmy's Hawkwind years, most is anecdotes about various gigs and band members (Nik's frog suit incident, Del's log cabin episode, Dave's, er, spanking fetish!) and no new Hawkwind photos. Lemmy pays a lot of respect to Dave Brock though. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > wrote: > >I received my copy of White Line Fever today ... > > Oh, MAN! I really, really, hope that this is available in the USA on its > scheduled release date of tuesday ... > > (In the meantime, feel free to reveal more of the information contained > therein!) > > -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) > jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 2 16:04:05 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:04:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Whats Dels log cabin episode? And Dave's Spanking fetish? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > What's clear from reading more is that Lemmy and Simon didn't get on too > well, especially towards the end, describing King as 'pompous' - "Those two > (Simon and Alan Powell) effectively killed it between them", and that "Dave > wanted me back in but the drum empire wouldn't let him". Not surprisingly, > he's equally scathing about Paul Rudolph describing him as "a very, very > mediocre bass player, the opposite of me". > > There isn't a huge amount of information about Lemmy's Hawkwind years, most > is anecdotes about various gigs and band members (Nik's frog suit incident, > Del's log cabin episode, Dave's, er, spanking fetish!) and no new Hawkwind > photos. > > Lemmy pays a lot of respect to Dave Brock though. > > Captain Bl at ck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Pearson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > > wrote: > > >I received my copy of White Line Fever today ... > > > > Oh, MAN! I really, really, hope that this is available in the USA on its > > scheduled release date of tuesday ... > > > > (In the meantime, feel free to reveal more of the information contained > > therein!) > > > > -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) > > jasret at mindspring.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 15:27:05 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:27:05 +0000 Subject: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind Message-ID: From: Doug Pearson Subject: Re: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind inspired On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:38:30 +0000, Chris Warburton wrote: >At 21:55 27/10/02, you wrote: > >>Has anybody heard the music of the Warlocks. >>Everyone is commenting how they sound like >>Early Hawkwind and other cool 70's bands. >> >Nice to know that recycling is still alive & well in rock'n'roll - wasn't >that aformer name of the Grateful Dead? >Yes. Also the Velvet Underground. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com It was also the name of the early ZZ Top, and you can find the track "Life's A Misery", recorded in 1966, on the 'Acid Visions: Best of Texas Punk & Psychedelic Vol. 2' CD. Chr. crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 20:45:51 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:45:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <200211020123.UAA17872@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200211020123.UAA17872 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) Doug- any chance of a review? -- Nick Medford From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 3 01:52:25 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:22:25 +1030 Subject: HW: my once complete Hawkwind CD collection Message-ID: I've got an extra copy of alien 4. But Im not selling it at rock bottom price. It is one of my most favourite albums to listen to after a several tokes of ole toby. I consider the extra copy I have a safeguard back up so pricy it will be. I would be willing to trade it for a really good condition CD copy of either; QSC or PXR5 or ASAM otherwise pricy it will be. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: HW: my once complete Hawkwind CD collection > boc-l, > This is absoulutely everything I have/had by Hawkwind > before I had to dump several CD's at rock bottom > prices. I am looking to replace most of these. If > anyone knows where I can get a good deal getting a > batch of these (Chuck: sorry I never got back to you > on those discs) please let me know. Ignore the tape > compilations (i.e. the "covers all" sets). > > > Hawkwind - Hawkwind (remaster) > Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (remaster) > Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (remaster) > Hawkwind - Space Ritual (remaster) > Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill (remaster) > Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Dojo) > Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm > Hawkwind - PXR5 > Hawkwind - Hawklords: 25 Years On > Hawkwind - Hawklords: Hawklords Live > Hawkwind - Live '79 > Hawkwind - Levitation > Hawkwind - Sonic Attack > Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques > Hawkwind - Church Of Hawkwind > Hawkwind - Zones > Hawkwind - This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Flicknife > version) > Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin > version) > Hawkwind - Out & Intake > Hawkwind - Live Chronicles > Hawkwind - Xenon Codex > Hawkwind - Undisclosed Files: Addendum > Hawkwind - California Brainstorm (Cyclops version) > Hawkwind - Electric Tepee > Hawkwind - Gimme Shelter EP (Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox > and other bands, > charity EP) > Hawkwind - Decide Your Future EP (remixes) > Hawkwind - The Business Trip: Live > Hawkwind - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be > Dangerous > Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone > Hawkwind - Alien 4 > Hawkwind - Area S4 (EP) > Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD live) > Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of The > Solstice (techno remixes) > Hawkwind - Love In Space EP > Hawkwind - Distant Horizons > Hawkwind - In Your Area > Hawkwind - Live 1997 > Hawkwind - The Text Of Festival: Hawkwind Live 1970-72 > > Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (Magnum, live early > days) > Hawkwind - BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert (Windsong) > Hawkwind - Space Rock From London (German remix > bootleg of BBC Radio > 1) > Hawkwind - Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At > The Empire Pool > Hawkwind - Space Ritual Volume 2 (Magnum live > compilation) > Hawkwind - 1999 Party: Live At The Chicago Auditorium, > March 21, 1974 > (remastered) > Hawkwind - Atomhenge '76 (Voiceprint) > Hawkwind - Complete '79: Collectors Edition > (Voiceprint 2CD) > Hawkwind - Choose Your Masques: Live 1982: Collectors > Edition (Voiceprint > 2CD) > Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show Sessions: Live At > Reading '86 (Raw Fruit) > Hawkwind - Live In Space 1990 (Italian live CD from > book set) > Hawkwind - Live At Glastonbury 1990 (Voiceprint) > Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light (live > bootleg 1991) > Hawkwind - Masters Of The Universe (EMI compilation) > Hawkwind - Stasis: The U.A. Years > Hawkwind - Tales From Atom Henge: The Robert Calvert > Years > Hawkwind - British Tribal Music (live compilation) > Hawkwind - Anthology Vol. 1 (live compilation) > Hawkwind - The Best Of (Castle budget live > compilation) > Hawkwind - Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2 (Flicknife > compilation) > Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics: 1980-1985 > (Flicknife compilation) > Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists (compilation) > Hawkwind - Theta Orionis (live bootleg compilation > 90-95) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Asassins Of Silence: Hundred Watt > Violence (Ceres tribute) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. I: I Am A Clone I Am > Not Alone (unofficial > tributes) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. II: Shadows Of The > Hawk > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. III: Charged With > Cosmic Energy > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Covers All Vol. IV: Designed To Rob > You Of Your Mind > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Hawkwind, Friends And > Relations (Flicknife) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Best Of Friends And Relations > (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations, The Rarities > (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Friends And Relations: Cosmic > Travellers (Anagram) > Hawkwind (V.A.) - Traveller's Aid Trust > Hawkwind (V.A.) - The Elf & The Hawk (Alan Davey "The > Elf" EP & "Hawkfan > 12" LP) > HawXtar - HawXtar (DarXtar w/Nik Turner) > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sphynx: Xitintoday (1978) > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sphynx (1992) > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Prophets Of Time > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Space Ritual 1994 > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Past Or Future? > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) - Sonic Attack 2001 > Nik Turner (Hawkwind) & Dark Sun - Ice Ritual > Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Earthed To The Ground > Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Agents Of Chaos > Dave Brock (Hawkwind) - Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Captain Lockheed And The > Starfighters > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Lucky Leif And The > Longships > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Hype > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Blueprints From The Cellar > > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - Test Tube Conceived > Robert Calvert (Hawkwind) - At The Queen Elisabeth > Hall > Captain Jesus And The Sunray Dream - All Thanks To The > Lord Jesus Christ > Amen (w/Ron Bastard of Hawkwind) > Captain Jesus And The Sunray Dream -The Day That > Nebulon Exploded (w/Ron Bastard) > Alan Davey (Hawkwind) - Captured Rotation > Alan Davey (Hawkwind) - Chaos Delight > > > Chr. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 3 10:50:25 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:50:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: ST 37 Message-ID: Jerry mentioned the following.... > ST 37 - "A Huge, Rare Cheese" (from Down On Us) Um...please elaborate! Another new release? On Emperor Jones again? i.e., easily available, or is this a very underground release (that they occasionally also do)? In other words, will I be able to get one in December when I come home to visit? > Skye Klad - "Reign Song" (from Skye Klad II) Cool...they've got another too? Who's the singer now? Adam left, didn't he? Again, availability of this CD is something of personal interest. > Mirrors - "White/Black Dwarf" (from Neutron Star) This is the old Cleveland band? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Hmmm...just learned Motorhead is playing Basel, Schweiz this coming Friday. Strangely, Anthrax is playing nearby separately sometime soon (or perhaps already?). From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Nov 3 11:57:14 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:57:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: According to Lemmy, Del built the cabin in Canada with his own hands for himself and his pregnant wife back in England - when she came over on the boat 8 months later the baby was half Pakistani. And Dave Brock apparently used to lean out of car windows at school girls going "Spanky, Spanky". So it says here. I will say though, this is the best book about Lemmy I've read and a must for Motorhead fans, as much of the book is about their long and eventful history. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > Whats Dels log cabin episode? And Dave's Spanking fetish? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > > > > What's clear from reading more is that Lemmy and Simon didn't get on too > > well, especially towards the end, describing King as 'pompous' - "Those > two > > (Simon and Alan Powell) effectively killed it between them", and that > "Dave > > wanted me back in but the drum empire wouldn't let him". Not surprisingly, > > he's equally scathing about Paul Rudolph describing him as "a very, very > > mediocre bass player, the opposite of me". > > > > There isn't a huge amount of information about Lemmy's Hawkwind years, > most > > is anecdotes about various gigs and band members (Nik's frog suit > incident, > > Del's log cabin episode, Dave's, er, spanking fetish!) and no new Hawkwind > > photos. > > > > Lemmy pays a lot of respect to Dave Brock though. > > > > Captain Bl at ck > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Pearson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:23 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > > > wrote: > > > >I received my copy of White Line Fever today ... > > > > > > Oh, MAN! I really, really, hope that this is available in the USA on > its > > > scheduled release date of tuesday ... > > > > > > (In the meantime, feel free to reveal more of the information contained > > > therein!) > > > > > > -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) > > > jasret at mindspring.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Nov 3 14:42:57 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:42:57 -0000 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: Oh...an Oz smartasse eh...well there's always one... anyway... I'm a radio star now see... read the review http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/trev02.html hear the song http://aural-innovations.com/radio/playlist.html#show60 and then buy it! http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev Judge Trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:25 AM Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > Why? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trev > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > Hi y'all, > > Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU at > the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. > Don't ask why!!! > > Trev (Judge) > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 3 15:13:39 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:13:39 -0500 Subject: HW: BBC Tardis court case Message-ID: Does it look identacle to the Dr Who one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave hall" To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > There is a blue at the top of Byres Rd in Glasgow. Has a preservation order > slapped on it. Various organisations inc Dr Who Society have helped to > preserve it I think. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 26 October 2002 14:57 > Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > > > >Nick Lee writes: > > > >> It seems that the BBC have just won an ongoing court case with the = > >> Metropolitan Police over who owns the copyright and/or trademark to the = > >> blue police public call box that we all know as the Tardis. The case = > >> have been rule in favour of the BBC because, although the Met = > >> designed/invented the box, it has been almost entirely identified with = > >> Doctor Who for many years, since the call box disappeared from the = > >> streets long ago. > > > >In Edinburgh they haven't disappeared. They've been repainted maroon and > >turned into coffee and biscuit kiosks. Pretty good coffee too. > > > >FoFP > > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 3 17:02:00 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:02:00 -0000 Subject: Off: BBC Tardis court case Message-ID: Warning: Hawkwind content = 0 I've just done a CANMORE search http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/ and there are 52 police call boxes in Edinburgh that have Historic Monument Listing. A bit like red phone boxes or post boxes that have VR or GR inscribed on the front (Victoria Regina or Georgivs Rex). Especially rare ones still have their air raid warning siren on top! However, much as I am an avid fan of Dr. Who (and I love having digital TV because I can watch all the old episodes whenever they are re-shown) I remain extremely puzzled as to how the BBC could possibly get away with claiming the copyright. Notwithstanding the Dr. Who connection they are called Police Boxes and in another 25 years or so when the number of people who do not know about the Dr. Who connection will be considerably larger than those who do they will still undoubtedly be called Police Boxes. I am astonished that a piece of media fictionality has been allocated precedence over reality but I guess that's how History gets written. The problem now is who is responsible for their upkeep? There's one down at Jock's Lodge in Edinburgh in a sad, sorry state but I assume the Beeb won't pay for its repair. Obviously the police won't any more; I'm sure the Council doesn't want anything to do with it and I doubt the Dr. Who Society has enough funds to cover the thousands across the country. I guess it's Adopt a Police Box time - any volunteers? We could set up a charity.......... Evening All jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave hall" To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > There is a blue at the top of Byres Rd in Glasgow. Has a preservation order > slapped on it. Various organisations inc Dr Who Society have helped to > preserve it I think. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 26 October 2002 14:57 > Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > > > >Nick Lee writes: > > > >> It seems that the BBC have just won an ongoing court case with the = > >> Metropolitan Police over who owns the copyright and/or trademark to the = > >> blue police public call box that we all know as the Tardis. The case = > >> have been rule in favour of the BBC because, although the Met = > >> designed/invented the box, it has been almost entirely identified with = > >> Doctor Who for many years, since the call box disappeared from the = > >> streets long ago. > > > >In Edinburgh they haven't disappeared. They've been repainted maroon and > >turned into coffee and biscuit kiosks. Pretty good coffee too. > > > >FoFP > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 3 19:30:26 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:00:26 +1030 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: Wicked man!! Make sure you get them to drive you around in a limo and insist on a beer keg in the back seat and bottles of whiskey as apposed to the usual champagne crap they like to push on ya. Just dont do what I did and "borrow" the limo then drive it into the record companies swimming pool ----- Original Message ----- From: Trev To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 AM Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > Oh...an Oz smartasse eh...well there's always one... > anyway... > > I'm a radio star now > see... > > read the review > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/trev02.html > hear the song > http://aural-innovations.com/radio/playlist.html#show60 > and then buy it! > http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev > > Judge Trev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > Why? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trev > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 AM > > Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU at > > the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. > > Don't ask why!!! > > > > Trev (Judge) > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 4 00:50:54 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:50:54 -0000 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: I quite agree. That vintage Bollinger is a bit rough on the throat, don't you agree 'ol boy. jt Real Festival Music - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's, News, Reviews, Vid downloads, Forum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > Wicked man!! Make sure you get them to drive you around in a limo and > insist on a beer keg in the back seat and bottles of whiskey as apposed to > the usual champagne crap they like to push on ya. > Just dont do what I did and "borrow" the limo then drive it into the record > companies swimming pool > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trev > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 AM > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > Oh...an Oz smartasse eh...well there's always one... > > anyway... > > > > I'm a radio star now > > see... > > > > read the review > > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/trev02.html > > hear the song > > http://aural-innovations.com/radio/playlist.html#show60 > > and then buy it! > > http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev > > > > Judge Trev > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:25 AM > > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Trev > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 AM > > > Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > > > Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU > at > > > the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. > > > Don't ask why!!! > > > > > > Trev (Judge) > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 4 02:20:37 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:50:37 +1030 Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler Message-ID: The overly chlorinated swimming pool water was murder on my world famous singing career ----- Original Message ----- From: Trev To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > I quite agree. That vintage Bollinger is a bit rough on the throat, don't > you agree 'ol boy. > > jt > > Real Festival Music - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > The latest festy CD's, News, Reviews, Vid downloads, Forum > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > Wicked man!! Make sure you get them to drive you around in a limo and > > insist on a beer keg in the back seat and bottles of whiskey as apposed to > > the usual champagne crap they like to push on ya. > > Just dont do what I did and "borrow" the limo then drive it into the > record > > companies swimming pool > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trev > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 AM > > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > > Oh...an Oz smartasse eh...well there's always one... > > > anyway... > > > > > > I'm a radio star now > > > see... > > > > > > read the review > > > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/trev02.html > > > hear the song > > > http://aural-innovations.com/radio/playlist.html#show60 > > > and then buy it! > > > http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/music.html#judge-trev > > > > > > Judge Trev > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Trev > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 AM > > > > Subject: ICU Mean Fiddler > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > > > > > Judge Trev, Steve Pond, and Dino Ferari will not be appearing with ICU > > at > > > > the 8th Nov Mean Fiddler Greasy Truckers gig. > > > > Don't ask why!!! > > > > > > > > Trev (Judge) > > > > > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Nov 4 05:14:09 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:14:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: ST 37 Message-ID: >> ST 37 - "A Huge, Rare Cheese" (from Down On Us) >Another new release? On Emperor Jones again? i.e., >easily available, or is this a very underground release Brand new. On Emperor Jones. Also available from the AI catalog. This is much space punkier than the more trancy I Love To Talk. >> Skye Klad - "Reign Song" (from Skye Klad II) >Cool...they've got another too? Who's the singer now? Jason and Eric are sharing vocal duties now >> Mirrors - "White/Black Dwarf" (from Neutron Star) >This is the old Cleveland band? Alisa - Are you from Cleveland, Ohio? ;-) Jerry From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 4 06:34:11 2002 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:34:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: I am sure I caught a glimpse of Lemmy on the cover of the 'Big Issue' yesterday. Maybe an interview or something. I couldn't find any vendors on the way home so I didn't get one in the end. Alastair. On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:57:14 -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >According to Lemmy, Del built the cabin in Canada with his own hands for >himself and his pregnant wife back in England - when she came over on the >boat 8 months later the baby was half Pakistani. > >And Dave Brock apparently used to lean out of car windows at school girls >going "Spanky, Spanky". > >So it says here. > >I will say though, this is the best book about Lemmy I've read and a must >for Motorhead fans, as much of the book is about their long and eventful >history. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "stephe lindas" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:04 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > > >> Whats Dels log cabin episode? And Dave's Spanking fetish? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Captain Bl at ck" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy >> >> >> > What's clear from reading more is that Lemmy and Simon didn't get on too >> > well, especially towards the end, describing King as 'pompous' - "Those >> two >> > (Simon and Alan Powell) effectively killed it between them", and that >> "Dave >> > wanted me back in but the drum empire wouldn't let him". Not >surprisingly, >> > he's equally scathing about Paul Rudolph describing him as "a very, very >> > mediocre bass player, the opposite of me". >> > >> > There isn't a huge amount of information about Lemmy's Hawkwind years, >> most >> > is anecdotes about various gigs and band members (Nik's frog suit >> incident, >> > Del's log cabin episode, Dave's, er, spanking fetish!) and no new >Hawkwind >> > photos. >> > >> > Lemmy pays a lot of respect to Dave Brock though. >> > >> > Captain Bl at ck >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Doug Pearson" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:23 AM >> > Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:24:05 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > >> > > wrote: >> > > >I received my copy of White Line Fever today ... >> > > >> > > Oh, MAN! I really, really, hope that this is available in the USA on >> its >> > > scheduled release date of tuesday ... >> > > >> > > (In the meantime, feel free to reveal more of the information >contained >> > > therein!) >> > > >> > > -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) >> > > jasret at mindspring.com From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Mon Nov 4 06:59:13 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:59:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Alastair wrote... I am sure I caught a glimpse of Lemmy on the cover of the 'Big Issue' yesterday. Maybe an interview or something. I couldn't find any vendors on the way home so I didn't get one in the end. This is last week's Big Issue.Lemmy on the cover in his black stetson. The interview in question is fairly standard Lemmy stuff, talking about White Line... They did state (incorrectly) that Lemmy was 'kicked out of HW for taking speed' Cheers N. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 4 07:57:33 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:57:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: That Must be a first not being able to find any Big Issue Vendors, normally you have to fight them off with a large stick. Rich > from: Neil Shilladay > date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:59:13 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > > Alastair wrote... > I am sure I caught a glimpse of Lemmy on the cover of the 'Big Issue' > yesterday. Maybe an interview or something. I couldn't find any vendors on > the way home so I didn't get one in the end. > > > This is last week's Big Issue.Lemmy on the cover in his black stetson. The > interview in question is fairly standard Lemmy stuff, talking about White > Line... > They did state (incorrectly) that Lemmy was 'kicked out of HW for taking > speed' > > Cheers > N. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group > unless otherwise specifically stated. > Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise > Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this > message. > > If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in > error, please notify Microlise immediately. > > Microlise Group Limited 44 (0)1773 537000 From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Mon Nov 4 11:20:53 2002 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (Tony Hogard) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:20:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: ST 37 Message-ID: Henderson Keith: >> ST 37 - "A Huge, Rare Cheese" (from Down On Us) > Um...please elaborate! Another new release? On Emperor Jones > again? i.e., > easily available, or is this a very underground release (that they > occasionally also do)? In other words, will I be able to get one in > December when I come home to visit? Emperor Jones, yup. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 4 11:28:26 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:28:26 -0500 Subject: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind [inspired] In-Reply-To: <20021102202705.45606.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com>; from superskrull666@YAHOO.CO.UK on Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:27:05PM +0000 Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:27:05PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > From: Doug Pearson > Subject: Re: HW: The Warlocks are Hawkind inspired > > >Nice to know that recycling is still alive & well in > rock'n'roll - wasn't > >that aformer name of the Grateful Dead? > > >Yes. Also the Velvet Underground. > > > It was also the name of the early ZZ Top So, in 20 years when this thread reoccurs, it'll also be the name of the :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 4 11:31:15 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:31:15 -0500 Subject: Off: BBC Tardis court case In-Reply-To: <000701c28384$a3c343c0$5e6487d9@jds>; from jill@THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:02:00PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:02:00PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Warning: Hawkwind content = 0 > I guess it's Adopt a Police Box time - any volunteers? Can I have it shipped over here? A walk-in closet that's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside would be *very* useful :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Nov 4 12:38:28 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:38:28 -0000 Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD Message-ID: Sounds like this is the version on this clear vinyl 12" on Ebay too. Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=917433453 Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 30/10/02 12:33 Subject: Re: High Rise from PXR5 CD Jobson, Eddie writes: > After finally managing to get hold of a copy of PXR5 on disc, I have > listened to it and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, High Rise > sounds like different vocals to those that I remember from the vinyl one. > > Anyone know? Yep. It's different. I spotted that to my great surprise while doing the Codex: High Rise L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 1 a Master of the Universe [Laserlight compilation CD] L 1 b Castle Masters Collection L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 [LP only] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 PXR5 [CD only] 3 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the PXR5 CD. * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Nov 4 12:43:58 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:43:58 -0000 Subject: Anyone know anything about this Ebay item? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=917501431 Thanks, Eddie. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Nov 4 11:10:57 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: HW:The King of Skiffle has passed...Lonnie Donegan dropped the body, Sunday last Message-ID: It is with profound reverence that I announce to those who haven't yet heard the news. Sunday last, Lonnie Donegen passed away, while touring. I just received the news from friends in the UK. Lonnie has gone down to 'Rock Island Line' Cheers! Mike Burro From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Nov 4 14:03:01 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:03:01 -0500 Subject: Anyone know anything about this Ebay item? Message-ID: It says what it is if you scroll down. Its basically the HW tracks from Greasy truckers, Glastonbury fayre and Bristol custom bike show lps, with a version of Assassins of Allah, which I'm not sure is available anywhere else. Probably is. The Dawn of Hawkwind bootleg is better than this one. Hope this helps. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Anyone know anything about this Ebay item? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=917501431 > > Thanks, > > Eddie. From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Nov 4 14:08:41 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:08:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Not strictly un-true. Lemmy does confirm in his book (which I've now finished reading) that speed was regarded as 'bad drugs', the rest of the band being 'acidheads' did tend to alienate him somewhat after DikMik left. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy > Alastair wrote... > I am sure I caught a glimpse of Lemmy on the cover of the 'Big Issue' > yesterday. Maybe an interview or something. I couldn't find any vendors on > the way home so I didn't get one in the end. > > > This is last week's Big Issue.Lemmy on the cover in his black stetson. The > interview in question is fairly standard Lemmy stuff, talking about White > Line... > They did state (incorrectly) that Lemmy was 'kicked out of HW for taking > speed' > > Cheers > N. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group > unless otherwise specifically stated. > Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise > Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this > message. > > If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in > error, please notify Microlise immediately. > > Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 4 16:38:34 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:38:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Halloween with the Damned (was: HW: Lemmy) Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:45:51 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <200211020123.UAA17872 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug >Pearson writes >> -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) > >Doug- any chance of a review? Of course! Hallowe'en in San Francisco ... too many choices of fun things to do! The Cramps at the Fillmore? The Residents at the Warfield? The Strokes at the B--l G----m auditorum ... (I don't think so)? We opted for a smaller-scale event: Throwrag, the Dwarves, and the Damned at the Great American Music Hall, one of the finest venues in the world IMHO. I was outside for Throwrag's set, waiting for my friends with the tickets to show up (it was a sold-out show). I could tell that they played a bunch of covers (hey, it's Halloween!), including a rendition of "Please Don't Touch" obviously learned from the Motor/School version. While waiting outside, I got to watch the costumed crowd file in, and there were some great ones! This being the Damned, there were obviously lots of goth-looking types with white faces and gaudy (or gauze-y) black outfits, as well as 77-styled punks in mohawks and/or bondage gear, with a few young ladies looking very much like Siouxie Sioux of that year. Lots of great gore makeup and skull faces, a few dead celebrities, both female and male Brides of Frankenstein, even a guy dressed as the Captain himself (tartan golf hat, Damned t-shirt, new-wave sunglasses, dog collar, and a tutu over his pants). One of my favorites was two females (one a two-feet-shorter ringer for Joey) with halo/angel wings dressed as Ramones (although I'd contend that the one who was supposed to be DeeDee should've had horns & a tail, not wings ... and maybe a syringe hanging out of her arm!). We got inside just in time to grab a pint and check out the Dwarves set. I hadn't seen them in over 10 years, probably, during their 'Blood Guts and Pussy' (an album featuring one of the most politically-incorrect-ever sleeves) era, and only singer Blag whatshisname and undead (the band was dropped from Sub Pop after sending out a hoax press release stating that he'd been stabbed to death in Philadelphia) guitarist He-Who-Cannot-Be- Named remained from then. Back then, Dwarves sets generally consisted of about 8 loud/fast/in-yr-face punk/hc rock songs over the course of 15 minutes, culminating with violence against the band, the audience, and/or the equipment. They've clearly mellowed a bit with old age, as they played a normal-length set at slower tempos, but the crudeness and aggression were still there. Decent enough, but I didn't feel like I'd missed anything over those 10 years. It had probably also been 10 years since I'd seen the Damned, back when they did a couple of reunion tours in the early 90's ('Final Damnation' era) that focused mostly on their punk-oriented material (one tour with Brian James in tow w/Sensible on bass IIRC, and a second with the Captain on guitar), with most of the sets taken from the first three albums. This time around, with the new album 'Grave Disorder', and Patricia Bag/Ramirez/Morrison on bass plus a keyboard player, the focus was much more on their goth, rather than punk, songs. So we got several from the new album (which I haven't heard yet), and classics from the 'Black Album'/'Strawberries'/'Phantasmagoria' period like "Plan 9 Channel 7", "Curtain Call" (the first encore), "Eloise", etc. They didn't entirely neglect their punk roots - I don't think they're allowed to play a set that doesn't include "New Rose" and "Neat Neat Neat"; the usual suspects from 'Machine Gun Ettiquite' (THE classic Damned album, along with the first, IMHO) - "Love Song", "I Just Can't Be Happy Today", "Smash It Up", "Wait For The Blackout", etc. - also turned up. Major kudos to the band for their energy level - *everyone* was totally rocking out - Pat while wearing a Nun's habit (although the bits of "L.A. Woman" they performed made me realize that all 3 major bands she's been in have been fronted by guys - Jeffrey Lee Pierce [RIP], Eldritch, Vanian - who all think they're the second coming of Jim Morrison), the keyboard player (looking rather like Capt. Bl at ck in his stovepipe hat!) was jumping up and down the entire time (and getting out some spacey sounds on his Novation virtual analog - probably a Supernova), Vanian started the set wearing some sort of troll mask, which he later doffed when making a grand re-entry from the balcony above the stage, and ... I don't even remember what the Captain was wearing, believe it or not! At least he kept his clothes on ... Really, really fun show. Even though I'm more into the Damned's punk material than their goth stuff, I still though they were great. And I am soooooo f*cking lucky to live in a town where I got to see the Damned AND Devo (a free outdoor lunchtime show, no less) in the same week (and some new-wave-of-new-wave from the Epoxies [a name to watch ... you heard it here first] on saturday night, to balance the old-wave-of-new-wave from Devo). Just like it's 1977 all over again. That good enough for ya? Smash it up! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 5 01:29:51 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:59:51 +1030 Subject: HW trivia question Message-ID: When was the last time Hawkwind played Fable of a failed race live? I found myself playing that track over several times the other night. Simply beautiful indeed :) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 5 06:44:52 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:44:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Halloween with the Damned (was: HW: Lemmy) Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:38:34 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: -Doug (who saw Lemmy's once-off bandmates, the Damned, last night) >> >>Doug- any chance of a review? > >Of course! Why thank you! > >Hallowe'en in San Francisco ... too many choices of fun things to do! The >Cramps at the Fillmore? The Residents at the Warfield? Mmm, I would have probably gone for the Residents. Is it still the Icky Flix show or have they put a new show together? I know there is a new album just out but haven't heard it yet. Even though I'm more into the Damned's punk >material than their goth stuff, Well, quite. Although there are some classic tracks on those mid-period albums too. But I really recommend "Grave Disorder" which fuses all the elements of their sound quite successfully. Thanks for writing it up Nick From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 5 11:49:17 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:49:17 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff Message-ID: Hi folks, I need the final count of who wants rooms, and what types etc. Rate that I've been quoted is 50 pounds a night (bless you mightily, Rik, for the assist). The current people who were interested: Merrick and Julie French Pete and Leigh (I need a last name here. Merrick, could you email it to me offlist?) Eli Friedman Gary and Anna (I need a last name for the reservation. Mail me offlist?) Ian Abrahams Mike Holmes Nick Lee Bernhard Pospiech, Rainer Wangler, Andreas Stuewe, Christos Tzoukmanis Alan Taylor Iain Ferguson & friend Alisa (I need a last name. Mail me offlist?) Jill Strobridge Denis Regenbrecht and sister me & rich Could folks please let me know what kind of room you would prefer? (single, single w/a large bed of some sort, double) Bernhard, Rainer, Andreas, Christos....do you want 2 doubles? The way I'd like to work the billing: I'm going to reserve the room block with my credit card. After I pass the initial details off to the hotel, I'd like to ask that folks call them direct to reserve the rooms under their own credit card (don't do this yet, as I need to finalize details with the hotel first.) Anyone who hasn't arranged separate billing with the hotel by 6 Dec, I will cancel their reservation in the block. This way, I can avoid being burned ;-) (right? ) Are we interested in reserving a function space for a party afterwards? (although it may just be we fans, no guarantees ;-) ) hotel is a holiday inn express. brand new. in chingford. (URL below may not work for you due to the sessionid, but if you go to www.hiexpress.co.uk and look for london hotels in chingford, you will find it. ;-) ) (direct URL) http://www.sixcontinentshotels.com/h/d/ex/hd/LONCF;jsessionid=CMWV5NN5LYRJNJICRY0SHPVFAKHDGIY4?iata=99501920&_IATAno=99501920&_franchisee=LONCF¤tBrandId=EX&_requestid=415876 It's about 1/4 mile away from the venue, I believe, but I'll confirm that for folks, and work on getting transportation options. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 5 11:49:41 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:49:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <003c01c2835a$0f702be0$081128d5@lucidzoo>; from starfield@SUPANET.COM on Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 04:57:14PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 04:57:14PM -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > I will say though, this is the best book about Lemmy I've read [...] Lemmy trivia: It seems he and Damo Suzuki were roommates once, in London some time during the 70s. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 5 11:58:45 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:58:45 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff : :Hi folks, : :I need the final count of who wants rooms, and what types etc. :Rate that I've been quoted is 50 pounds a night (bless you mightily, Rik, :for the assist). : :The current people who were interested: [snip] Note: it's not too late to join in. Please drop me a line soon, though, with amount of rooms desired, room type, full name of all folks in the room etc. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 5 12:42:20 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:42:20 +0100 Subject: HW trivia question In-Reply-To: <004101c28494$bfe55820$630b0c3f@studio> Message-ID: At 16:59 05.11.2002 +1030, you wrote: >When was the last time Hawkwind played Fable of a failed race live? I suppose it was on 21.03.1977 Bernhard From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 5 12:00:36 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:00:36 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff [snip] :Could folks please let me know what kind of room you would prefer? :(single, single w/a large bed of some sort, double) someone smack me. Let's not forget about ye olde twin room ;-) (I forget that double in the states = twin in the uk) so room types would be: single, twin, double. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 5 12:13:55 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:13:55 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff : :On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Arin Komins wrote: : ::Subject: HW: walthamstow hotel stuff : :[snip] : ::Could folks please let me know what kind of room you would prefer? ::(single, single w/a large bed of some sort, double) : :someone smack me. Let's not forget about ye olde twin room ;-) :(I forget that double in the states = twin in the uk) : :so room types would be: : :single, twin, double. This didn't go through yet, and I'm neurotic, so am sending it again. Please forgive, if this turns into a duplicate. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 5 13:44:52 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks Message-ID: Was the song "Night of the Hawks" part of a song cycle or a stand alone track? I've only heard it on a bootleg (Utopia 1984) and the lyrics seem only to get through about half of a story. C. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Nov 5 14:50:12 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: Viking Kittens - Joel Veitch rathergood.com music - Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song Message-ID: I know some of you have probably seen this already ... but for those of you who haven't, it's good for a chuckle! You'll need speakers for the full effect ... http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ From gg at NINJANET.COM Tue Nov 5 15:33:59 2002 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:33:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris wrote: > Was the song "Night of the Hawks" part of a song cycle or a stand alone track? this song is included in the "Live" DVD, from the series Castle Classic. Anyway, I've never heard it from a CD ... ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Nov 5 16:26:01 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:26:01 UT Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Just curious. . . Is anybody in the publishing world or the Motorhead world gonna try and get this book released in the U.S.??? I have GOT to have it. I could count the number of rock exposes and autobiographies that I own on Bart Simpson's right hand and still have fingers left over, but I would NEVER pass up the chance to buy a book written by Lemmy. --Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 5 16:43:47 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:43:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge ... On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:52 -0000, Chris Allen wrote: >Was the song "Night of the Hawks" part of a song cycle It was supposed to be. >or a stand alone track? But that's how it wound up. It was originally released on the 'Earth Ritual Preview' 12"EP on Flicknife (with an edited version also available on 7"). As the title indicates, it was *supposed* to be a "teaser" for the next Hawkwind album, 'The Earth Ritual', which was supposed to be a big-deal 15th anniversay (1984) release with contributions from past members including Lemmy (who's on "Night Of The Hawks") and Calvert (who wrote the lyrics to "Green Finned Demon" from the EP, and, of course, wrote the original "Earth Ritual" poem). The EP was followed by the 'Earth Ritual' tour, which featured guest appearences from Michael Moorcock & Dave Anderson, as well as Lemmy (but not Calvert, although he did a final show with Hawkwind shortly after the tour), but no live album was released from the tour, and there was no follow-up 'Earth Ritual' studio recording. The next Hawkwind studio album wound up being 'Chronicle of the Black Sword', after Nik's departure. Since Bob was working with Nik & ICU after the split, that was the end of the 'Earth Ritual' concept, except for the live video. >I've only heard it on a bootleg (Utopia 1984) Not actually a bootleg, just another dodgy (but fully legal) compilation of material licensed from Flicknife. There are also good live versions of the song on the various 1990 live albums ('California Brainstorm', the new Voiceprint one, etc.). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 6 01:24:40 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:54:40 +1030 Subject: Off - Calling Mr Stephe Lindas Message-ID: Would you be so kind as to contact me good sir. I am having trouble reaching you via the email address I have. Cheers! From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 6 07:53:26 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:53:26 +0000 Subject: HW: LCommemorative Guitar Picks Message-ID: Anyone know anything about these: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919137646 It's the first time I've ever seen them. Rich W From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Nov 6 08:02:13 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:02:13 +0000 Subject: HW: LCommemorative Guitar Picks Message-ID: I'd guess they're about as official as a forty pence piece... Rich Warren wrote: > Anyone know anything about these: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919137646 > > It's the first time I've ever seen them. From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 6 09:44:34 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:44:34 -0500 Subject: LCommemorative Guitar Picks Message-ID: scroll down, there's a larger image at the bottom of the page. imho they look rather nice but 18 quid?! steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:12:50 -0000, Mark Lee wrote: >Can't even get the image fine enough to check 'em out, sounds >like a "commemorative" rather than official... > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Rich Warren >Sent: 06 November 2002 12:53 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: LCommemorative Guitar Picks > > >Anyone know anything about these: > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919137646 > >It's the first time I've ever seen them. > >Rich W From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 6 14:15:12 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:15:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:26:01 UT, Nick English wrote: >Just curious. . . > >Is anybody in the publishing world or the Motorhead world gonna try and >get this book released in the U.S.??? Simon & Schuster already has a US division, so I would have to assume, no. I just put in my order to amazon.co.uk ... comes to about $25 including shipping, not bad for a hardback that I KNOW I will greatly enjoy! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 6 14:54:17 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:54:17 EST Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2002 2:15:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Simon & Schuster already has a US division, so I would have to assume, no. I work for Barnes and Noble, and we had it listed for months for pre-order (not on the website but our in-store ordering program). then the release date came and went, and no books that were pre-ordered came in. I called our corporate buyers and they told me it was originally to be released simultaneously in the US but plans were scrapped and the program never adjusted. We know of no US release date at this time. I got mine from amazon.com.uk as well. bobm From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 6 15:14:08 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:14:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam 1977 Message-ID: Hi folks I have got here a great quality CDR (thanks Rainer) from the Amsterdam gig on 11.03.1977 The tracklist is: 11.03.1977, AMSTERDAM, PARADISO, 80 min reefer madness / hassan i sahba / forge of vulcan / brainstorm / wind of change / steppenwolf / spirit of the age / sonic attack / damnation alley / fable of a failed race / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / waiting for my man / paranoia I am sure that this recording was once recorded from a soundboard. It is full Stereo and is the best 1977 recording (except Camden 77) I have Maybe there is someone out there who may be able to improve the sound once more. Then we will have a superb recording from the 1st day of the European tour Believe me: You will be not disappointed !! Please let me know where to send this CD to Of course the person who will upgrade this CD can offer the CD to a tree Let me know. Bernhard From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 6 15:33:29 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:33:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Amsterdam 1977 Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:14:08 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >I have got here a great quality CDR (thanks Rainer) from the Amsterdam gig >on 11.03.1977 > >The tracklist is: > >11.03.1977, AMSTERDAM, PARADISO, 80 min >reefer madness / hassan i sahba / forge of vulcan / brainstorm / wind of >change / steppenwolf / spirit of the age / sonic attack / damnation alley / >fable of a failed race / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / waiting for my >man / paranoia This is a great show! I recently received a recording (probably not as good quality), and there are several highlights: "Damnation Alley" was never performed in its entirety after this tour (it segued into "Uncle Sam's On Mars" instead of including the final verse/chorus). "Fable of a Failed Race" was never performed after this tour. Having heard this live version, I think it would be a prime candidate for rediscovery by the current lineup. While in general, I've preferred other Hawkwind members' (Nik, Ron, Bridget, and even Harvey) vocal renditions of Calvert songs to Dave's ("The Right Stuff" being a notable exception - Dave rocks on that one!), I think that "Fable of a Failed Race" would suit his voice very well, similar to the excellent renditions of "Clouded Visions" in 2001. Great version of "Waiting For My Man" - it's easy to tell that Calvert is playing rhythm guitar to Dave's lead (unfortunately, his rhythm isn't the greatest, but it doesn't detract from the overall performance). And who is that singing the "Hey white boy, what you doin' uptown" line?!? It's not Bob, and it's not Dave, so I guess it would have to be Ade? >I am sure that this recording was once recorded from a soundboard. >It is full Stereo and is the best 1977 recording (except Camden 77) I have Bernhard, what do you think is the best recording from aumtumn/later 77? I recently got a copy of the Hammersmith show, which is a fine performance, but the recording is seriously marred by dropouts (is this on the original recording, or did I get a bad copy?). Any other recommendations (especially with a good performance of "Jack Of Shadows")? >Maybe there is someone out there who may be able to improve the sound once >more. >Then we will have a superb recording from the 1st day of the European tour > >Believe me: You will be not disappointed !! Yep! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 6 15:46:41 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:46:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam 1977 In-Reply-To: <200211062033.PAA22785@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi Doug At 15:33 06.11.2002 -0500, you wrote: >This is a great show! Indeed a great show. And I am sure it has better quality than the previous copys which were sread out in the last couple of months >Bernhard, what do you think is the best recording from aumtumn/later >77? Newcastle 20.09.77 London 05.10.77 2 very different recordings but thay are for sure the best ones (recording quality) from the UK Autumn tour cheers Bernhard From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Nov 6 16:07:50 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:07:50 +0000 Subject: Mr. Dibs, please contact me!!! Message-ID: Dibs, I'm not sure whether or not you've been reciving my e-mail. please drop me a line, with regard to your particiaption on new album project. We are recording in South London January 13th-14th. If you'd like to play bass on 'Hymie', let us know. Peace, Mike PS: e-mail me off list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 17:13:05 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:13:05 GMT Subject: HW: BBC Tardis court case In-Reply-To: stephe lindas's message of Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: stephe lindas writes: > Does it look identacle to the Dr Who one? Apart from being maroon and having a horn rather than a flashing light on top, yes. It's also bigger on the inside than the outside which helps the seated accomodation. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave hall" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > > > > There is a blue at the top of Byres Rd in Glasgow. Has a preservation > order > > slapped on it. Various organisations inc Dr Who Society have helped to > > preserve it I think. > > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: M Holmes > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 26 October 2002 14:57 > > Subject: Re: HW: BBC Tardis court case > > > > > > >Nick Lee writes: > > > > > >> It seems that the BBC have just won an ongoing court case with the = > > >> Metropolitan Police over who owns the copyright and/or trademark to the > = > > >> blue police public call box that we all know as the Tardis. The case = > > >> have been rule in favour of the BBC because, although the Met = > > >> designed/invented the box, it has been almost entirely identified with > = > > >> Doctor Who for many years, since the call box disappeared from the = > > >> streets long ago. > > > > > >In Edinburgh they haven't disappeared. They've been repainted maroon and > > >turned into coffee and biscuit kiosks. Pretty good coffee too. > > > > > >FoFP > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 6 23:24:05 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:54:05 +1030 Subject: Dear Hawkwind Message-ID: We, the Australian people, who adore you await your return (early next year?) The red carpets are prepared and the topless ladies who shall sprinkle flower petals before you are getting enlargments where necessary. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 7 11:46:59 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:46:59 -0600 Subject: HW: yet more walthamstow stuff Message-ID: Hi folks, I've booked rooms for the folks who requested. You will all need to transfer over credit card details *when you arrive*. I need to cancel rooms by 4pm on the 13th of Dec. If you are going to be arriving late, please let me know. I'll end up cancelling the reservations for anyone who hasn't arrived by then otherwise. (else I'll be a very unhappy human being ;-) ) If you need to cancel, please notify me as soon as possible (since some folks originally requested, but never confirmed with me, and I booked others who were tentative, so that they would have a booking should they need it.) This is for the night of 13 Dec. Rates are 49 pounds a night, and include continental breakfast. The people that I have booked for: Names Room Preferences ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arin Komins & Rich Warren 1 double Bernhard Popseich, Rainer Wangler, Andreas Stuewe (possibly with 1 other) 1 triple, or quad, if available Iain Ferguson & Iain Weir 1 double Merrick and Julie French 1 double Pete and Leigh Allinson 1 double Ian Abrahams & Stuart Miller 1 twin Eli Friedman 1 single Eric Siegerman 1 single Jill Strobridge 1 single Gary & Anna 1 double, smoking room Nick Lee 1 single Mike Holmes 1 double Alan Taylor 1 single Denis Regenbrecht + 1 other 1 twin Christos Tzoukmanis 1 single Alisa (still need your last name, please.) 1 single Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 12:07:06 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:07:06 +0000 Subject: HW: yet more walthamstow stuff Message-ID: Heh heh , looks like the party's gonna be in Gary & Anna's room then ;-) Ahem! Arin Komins wrote: > Names Room Preferences > ------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins & Rich Warren 1 double > Bernhard Popseich, Rainer Wangler, > Andreas Stuewe (possibly with 1 other) 1 triple, or quad, if available > Iain Ferguson & Iain Weir 1 double > Merrick and Julie French 1 double > Pete and Leigh Allinson 1 double > Ian Abrahams & Stuart Miller 1 twin > Eli Friedman 1 single > Eric Siegerman 1 single > Jill Strobridge 1 single > Gary & Anna 1 double, smoking room > Nick Lee 1 single > Mike Holmes 1 double > Alan Taylor 1 single > Denis Regenbrecht + 1 other 1 twin > Christos Tzoukmanis 1 single > Alisa (still need your last name, please.) 1 single From gg at NINJANET.COM Thu Nov 7 11:17:47 2002 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:17:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam 1977 In-Reply-To: <189WZM-1VpWgTC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: > Please let me know where to send this CD to > Of course the person who will upgrade this CD can offer the CD to a tree do you want to send this CD here in Italy? :) ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From gg at NINJANET.COM Thu Nov 7 10:54:40 2002 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:54:40 +0100 Subject: Dear Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <001901c28615$82cb6c40$67d0223f@studio> Message-ID: Michael wrote: > We, the Australian people, who adore you await your return (early next year?) > The red carpets are prepared and the topless ladies who shall sprinkle flower petals before you are getting enlargments where necessary. even we Italian people... I've ready the the better wine!! :) ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 7 12:48:19 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:18:19 +1030 Subject: Dear Hawkwind Message-ID: Since your country has such good wine and beautiful women you wont mind waiting? ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierluigi Fumi To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Dear Hawkwind > Michael wrote: > > > We, the Australian people, who adore you await your return (early next year?) > > > The red carpets are prepared and the topless ladies who shall sprinkle flower petals before you are getting enlargments where necessary. > > even we Italian people... I've ready the the better wine!! :) > > ciao!, gg > > > -- > www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online > From gg at NINJANET.COM Thu Nov 7 13:36:33 2002 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:36:33 +0100 Subject: Dear Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <00fd01c28685$dc12ff00$1fcb223f@studio> Message-ID: Michael wrote: > Since your country has such good wine and beautiful women you wont mind > waiting? > ;-) oh, well, i could wait drinking wine and wine and wine... ok, sincerly, I'm waiting'em drinking wine since a lot of years :) I'm not tired, but sometime I want to change the cause of my brainstorm (here we go!) :) ciao!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 7 16:47:49 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:47:49 -0000 Subject: MEAN FIDDLER Message-ID: As I sit before my monitor, Inner City Unit, the band of the Thunder Rider, Dead Fred, Steve Pond, Dino Ferari, Mick Stupp, Barney Bubbles, myself, and all those other brothers who have traversed the decades lifting high the Mighty Trident of ICU, is taking the stage in a new form - the old order having been utterly destroyed. We see before us, in microcosm, the endless battle between Light and darkness performing its awesome eternal dance. I can only bow my head in respect to those Blood Brothers who have committed suicide rather than enter the lair of the demon, and those who, through frailty and fear of their very existence as musicians and artists, have grudgingly donned the yoke of unwilling servitude - and to those whose tongues have simply been torn out. I hope The Thunder Rider has pulled something out of the bag tonight, he has the ability to, and I wish him well. But we must, if we care, if we are true, look into the reason for the disasters which have rocked the realm of the Children of Light this year - The catastrophic re-opening of grievous old wounds between The Thunder Rider and Baron Brock, the doom of Inner City Unit, and the myriad and endless squabbles between once united brothers. There is a common denominator. A year ago there came into our midst, a demon; a demon who's eye fell upon the Mighty One and who wondered at the splendour of his aura and the brightness of his court; a demon who has assumed the form of a mortal, yes, the demon Hewitt; a demon who's cunning and skill at the manipulation and exploitation of the Innocent led him to think "Here is a pretty prize", and he did covet what he saw, and his avarice drove him to display his stock-in-trade, his beguiling coin, hot from hell, before the eyes of the needy Prince of Thunder. And he whispered into his ear and cast a glamour upon him. Now, a year later, I look upon my wounds and those of my brothers, those who have given their lives in the service of the Sonic Way, and I now turn my head towards a certain sewer rat, unleashed and rampaging in the nest of the Royal Swan. ...and my keyboard is awash with tears. ...and these tears are swallowed by the barren earth beneath my feet ...and I declare and vow before the Blessed Ones that in this land of stone and sand... ...THE SHINING WATERS AGAIN WILL RISE. Judge Trev From rdamianus at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 7 16:49:26 2002 From: rdamianus at YAHOO.COM (Robert Damian) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:49:26 -0800 Subject: The Business Trip Album Message-ID: Hey does anyone out there know how Dave Brock set up things to trigger certain sounds while playing guitar on the Business Trip CD? I find it so interesting that this was pulled off with just three people. Thank you to anyone for help. Regards, Robert Damian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 7 12:40:23 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:40:23 GMT Subject: High Rise from PXR5 CD In-Reply-To: Jobson, Eddie's message of Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:38:28 -0000 Message-ID: Jobson, Eddie writes: > Sounds like this is the version on this clear vinyl 12" on Ebay too. > Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=917433453 No. PXR5 isn't on that. From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 7 17:28:28 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:28:28 -0000 Subject: The Business Trip Album Message-ID: He uses a Roland Guitar Synth - if you look carefully at his Westone he has an extra pick-up between the three standard ones and the bridge - this reads the string information and sends it to a midi converter. Hence he can play brass solos from his axe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Damian" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: The Business Trip Album > Hey does anyone out there know how Dave Brock set up > things to trigger certain sounds while playing guitar > on the Business Trip CD? I find it so interesting that > this was pulled off with just three people. Thank you > to anyone for help. > > Regards, > > Robert Damian > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 21:33:15 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:33:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Music Machine 1977 and '96 radio interview Message-ID: Hi all, I just received a tape of some Hawkwind stuff with a bunch of old Hawkfan issues. I am wondering what the dates for the recordings are, namely Music Machine 1977 (which is excellent, with Calvert in fine form) and the 1996 UK radio show/interview which had the live tracks included on the Theta Orionis bootleg. Anyone got the details? Chr. crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 22:33:13 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:33:13 +0000 Subject: HW: looking to replace Hawkwind memorabilia Message-ID: Having over the years gotten rid of a few Hawkwind items, I am looking to replace these: * blue/red/yellow/silver 1984 "Earth Ritual" patch * Hawkwind/Screaming Lord Sutch t-shirt (1991) * fluorescent "Doremi" shield t-shirt (US tour 1997) * "Chronicle of The Black Sword" tour programme (1985) anyone with any of these items for sale or trade, please contact me.... Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 22:48:47 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:48:47 -0000 Subject: FIDDLE MEANER Message-ID: Yeah, well, funds clearing through the bank, I might make tomorrow. Failing that I might just go to the pub. Bit like Nik really. ;-) Anyone know when the mighty Blue Oyster Cult may pay a visit to these shores again - like a tour, rather than a one off gig? Or is that asking too much of the titans of midget rock? Cheers, Rich. (Please don't take this post the wrong way - I'm tired and wanted to have some BOC discussion on the list. *sigh* Being controversial was the only way I could think of right now. I think I'm going to bed now.) As I sit before my monitor, Inner City Unit, the band of the Thunder Rider, Dead Fred, Steve Pond, Dino Ferari, Mick Stupp, Barney Bubbles, myself, and all those other brothers who have traversed the decades lifting high the Mighty Trident of ICU, is taking the stage in a new form - the old order having been utterly destroyed. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 22:49:20 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:49:20 -0000 Subject: The Business Trip Album Message-ID: Overdubs? Cheers, Rich. > Hey does anyone out there know how Dave Brock set up > things to trigger certain sounds while playing guitar > on the Business Trip CD? I find it so interesting that > this was pulled off with just three people. Thank you > to anyone for help. > > Regards, > > Robert Damian From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 22:51:38 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:51:38 -0000 Subject: The Business Trip Album Message-ID: Hey - I've been offered a Dave Brock stylee Westone for thirty quid this evening. Bargain. Anyone know the exact model and if possible serial number of Dave's customised Westone? (Top guitars!) Cheers, Rich. > He uses a Roland Guitar Synth - if you look carefully at his Westone he has > an extra pick-up between the three standard ones and the bridge - this reads > the string information and sends it to a midi converter. Hence he can play > brass solos from his axe. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Damian" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:49 PM > Subject: The Business Trip Album > > > > Hey does anyone out there know how Dave Brock set up > > things to trigger certain sounds while playing guitar > > on the Business Trip CD? I find it so interesting that > > this was pulled off with just three people. Thank you > > to anyone for help. > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert Damian > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 22:57:11 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:57:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Oasis rarity for sale - record collector kind of thing Message-ID: Don't suppose any record collectors out there want to offer serious money for an unopened (never out of sleeve), one sided, 250 limited edition DJ only promo copy (die cut sleeve) 12" copy of Oasis's blinding cover of My Generation do they? Just a thought. Drop me a line off list if you do. Abuse me on-list if you don't. :-) Cheers, Rich. (I need the money) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 23:40:39 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:40:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in my early years Message-ID: So I just had to get the Flicknife "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" in 1988 and was immediately hooked on Hawkwind. I also got "The Xenon Codex", "In Search Of Space" and "British Tribal Music" by Hawkwind in the same year, my first year of high school. After reading the letters pages in all the First comics editions of the Michael Moorcock stuff like "Elric", "Corum" and "Hawkmoon" about Hawkwind and Blue ?yster Cult in the mid-late 80's after having read all the original Moorcock novels, I had to investigate Hawkwind. I even had a letter published in Corum letter column about the Warrior In Black And Gold. I have collected over 120 CD's and all kinds of Hawkwind memorabilia ever since. See my website at http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/hawkwind.html Chr. crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 8 01:41:54 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:11:54 +1030 Subject: OFF: Oasis rarity for sale - record collector kind of thing Message-ID: Dont ferget yer towell...... wanna get hiiiiiiii? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: OFF: Oasis rarity for sale - record collector kind of thing > Don't suppose any record collectors out there want to offer serious money > for an unopened (never out of sleeve), one sided, 250 limited edition DJ > only promo copy (die cut sleeve) 12" copy of Oasis's blinding cover of My > Generation do they? > > Just a thought. Drop me a line off list if you do. Abuse me on-list if you > don't. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I need the money) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 02:06:50 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:06:50 -0000 Subject: HW: looking to replace Hawkwind memorabilia Message-ID: > > * fluorescent "Doremi" shield t-shirt (US tour 1997) > Not a chance. What's the point in spending two weeks in the Big Apple when a minor Royal karks it in a car crash if you don't have something to remember it by? Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 02:09:51 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:09:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: Oasis rarity for sale - record collector kind of thing Message-ID: > Dont ferget yer towell...... I know, I know - that's my coat on the hook over there... On my way... > > wanna get hiiiiiiii? Look - it was a Radio 6 competition prize, right?! :-) Cheers, Rich. > > > > Don't suppose any record collectors out there want to offer serious money > > for an unopened (never out of sleeve), one sided, 250 limited edition DJ > > only promo copy (die cut sleeve) 12" copy of Oasis's blinding cover of My > > Generation do they? > > > > Just a thought. Drop me a line off list if you do. Abuse me on-list if > you > > don't. > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > (I need the money) > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 04:45:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw DVD video sample Message-ID: Just to say I'm uploading a video clip from the Huw Lloyd-Langton music DVD, in Windows Media format, to the site. It's only 1.8MB for 1 min 45 seconds, so should be downloadable by almost everyone that's interested. See http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm#video Steve Litchfield From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 8 06:30:46 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:30:46 EDT Subject: FIDDLE MEANER In-Reply-To: <007501c286d9$be87c7f0$dc9a27d9@bernard> Message-ID: On 8 Nov 2002, at 3:48, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Yeah, well, funds clearing through the bank, I might make tomorrow. > Failing that I might just go to the pub. Bit like Nik really. ;-) > > Anyone know when the mighty Blue Oyster Cult may pay a visit to these > shores again - like a tour, rather than a one off gig? > > Or is that asking too much of the titans of midget rock? > Wait til ya see the DVD! Allen looks like the collosus of Rhodes standing between BD and EB. Danny is a little out of place too. Bobby fits the mold though. I doubt they'd have to change the throne height between him and Al! On the DVD, there's a closeup of Allen's hands during LDoM. Wonder why he left that band-aid on his finger? [cigarette burn?] Who smokes more, Allen or Bobby? Who is going to see B?C in Utica in 2 weeks, anyway? theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 8 08:15:33 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:45:33 +1030 Subject: HW: Huw DVD video sample Message-ID: Cheers man thats cool. Any news on the chance of getting an autographed copy of the dvd? Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: HW: Huw DVD video sample > Just to say I'm uploading a video clip from the Huw Lloyd-Langton music > DVD, in Windows Media format, to the site. It's only 1.8MB for 1 min 45 > seconds, so should be downloadable by almost everyone that's interested. > > See http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm#video > > Steve Litchfield From micci at SCI.FI Fri Nov 8 08:29:14 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:29:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams Message-ID: Hi! Any info what kind material is this: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams (Black Widow Records) Dreams Lp / Cd Cheers, Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Nov 8 08:45:54 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Allen vs. Bobby (was Re: FIDDLE MEANER) In-Reply-To: <3DCB6826.23278.130CB8@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Wait til ya see the DVD! Allen looks like the collosus of Rhodes > standing between BD and EB. ROTFL! I love the pose he makes in LDoM while Buck and Danny are kneeling on the stage playing at each other. Reminded me of one of my favorite album covers, "Sonic Temple" by The Cult. > Who smokes more, Allen or Bobby? I'd say Bobby smokes more, but only in order to catch Allen in terms of cumulative effects. In any case, the answer certainly needs to be added to the BOC FAQ.... > Who is going to see B?C in Utica in 2 weeks, anyway? Me. I might be taking my girlfriend Shannon to her first BOC show. She had a blast at the Surgeons gig in Seneca Falls. Meanwhile, she's taking me to my first Ani DiFranco show. Here's to being open minded! ;-) Brian NP> Frank Zappa "Apostrophe (')" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 8 07:58:51 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:58:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Allen vs. Bobby (was Re: FIDDLE MEANER) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Nov 2002, at 8:45, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo wrote: > > Who smokes more, Allen or Bobby? > > I'd say Bobby smokes more, but only in order to catch Allen in terms > of cumulative effects. In any case, the answer certainly needs to be > added to the BOC FAQ.... > Well, a drummer has a harder time handling those weeds anyway. Bobby needs another hand like a Hindu statue just for smoking! Anybody think Bobby wears a wig? > > Who is going to see B?C in Utica in 2 weeks, anyway? > > Me. I might be taking my girlfriend Shannon to her first BOC show. She > had a blast at the Surgeons gig in Seneca Falls. Meanwhile, she's > taking me to my first Ani DiFranco show. Here's to being open minded! > ;-) Ain't love grand? There's revenge for ya. Don't ever cheat on her, or you'll be seing Michael Bolton next! theo From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Fri Nov 8 09:26:26 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:26:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Allen vs. Bobby (was Re: FIDDLE MEANER) Message-ID: ...or even worse,tori amos... tim 8>)... Meanwhile, she's > > taking me to my first Ani DiFranco show. Here's to being open minded! > > ;-) > Ain't love grand? There's revenge for ya. Don't ever cheat on her, or > you'll be seing Michael Bolton next! > > theo > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Nov 8 10:31:24 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Allen vs. Bobby (was Re: FIDDLE MEANER) In-Reply-To: <016a01c28732$d327a320$0c00a8c0@Tracy> Message-ID: TimElliott wrote: > ...or even worse,tori amos... > tim 8>)... Too late! Old girlfriend. Long story. At least the pre-show music was all Zeppelin. Brian > Meanwhile, she's >>> taking me to my first Ani DiFranco show. Here's to being open minded! >>> ;-) >> Ain't love grand? There's revenge for ya. Don't ever cheat on her, or >> you'll be seing Michael Bolton next! >> >> theo >> From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Fri Nov 8 11:25:53 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:25:53 +0000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind played on daytime Radio2 Shocker !! Message-ID: Listening to Radio 2(*) this afternoon (ok give me stick for that if you want) & Steve Wright proudly proclaimed "Thought you might like some Ozzy" before playing Silver Machine He did realise his mistake, & corrected himself afterwards. (*) for those who don't know Radio 2 is somewhat, erm ...conservative for want of a better word. 'Home for coffin dodgers' is how one of their own DJs describes it. 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Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Nov 8 12:08:01 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:08:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Music Machine 1977 and '96 radio interview In-Reply-To: <20021108023315.48736.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi At 02:33 08.11.2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, >I just received a tape of some Hawkwind stuff with a >bunch of old Hawkfan issues. I am wondering what the >dates for the recordings are, namely Music Machine >1977 (which is excellent, with Calvert in fine form) >and the 1996 UK radio show/interview which had the >live tracks included on the Theta Orionis bootleg. >Anyone got the details? Here are the dates: Camden, Music Machine, 10.06.1977 ???, BBC, 27.07.1995 Bernhard From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Nov 8 14:04:42 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:04:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams Message-ID: If those wonderful people at Black Widow would send our piggin order to us then I'd be only too happy to tell you. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miikka Wagner" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams > Hi! > > Any info what kind material is this: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of > Dreams (Black Widow Records) Dreams Lp / Cd > > Cheers, > > Miikka Wagner > E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net > > Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry > http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 > E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 01:16:57 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:16:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pressurehed singing about my sweet self Message-ID: The Pressurehed album "Explaining The Unexplained" was about me and how I worked telepathy through my artwork and writings as an early 60's telepathy guy and reached telepathy projects in Russia. The two previous Pressurehed albums, "Infadrone" and "Sudden Vertigo" were also about me and how I was an inhuman Iranian reptoid dyke and God in France. 100% true, I am a buddhist who was Kali Yuga in classical Hinduism and Dahzbog in East Europe. Just ask Tommy Grenas and he'll swear I'm somebody in hardcore who is inhuman! Chr. crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Nov 8 16:00:26 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:00:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams Message-ID: Hi, It sounds very similar to Adrian Shaw solo/Magic Muscle with Violin. Probably because Rod's on it. Worth getting by all means. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams > If those wonderful people at Black Widow would send our piggin order to us > then I'd be only too happy to tell you. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miikka Wagner" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:29 PM > Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams > > > > Hi! > > > > Any info what kind material is this: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of > > Dreams (Black Widow Records) Dreams Lp / Cd > > > > Cheers, > > > > Miikka Wagner > > E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net > > > > Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry > > http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 > > E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 17:18:05 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:18:05 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: I have the following Hawkind MP3's if anyone fancy's trading for others: Hawkwind DoReMeFaSoLaTiDo Hawkwind Hawkwind Hawkwind Hall of the Mountain Grill Hawkwind Quark, Strangeness and Charm Hawkwind Radio 1 In Concert Hawkwind Ridicule Hawkwind Roundhouse 72 Hawkwind Space Ritual (2CD) Hawkwind Space Ritual Vol 2 (2CD) Hawkwind The 1999 Party Hawkwind Warrior on the Edge of Time Bob Calvert Capt Lockheed & The Starfighters Bob Calvert Lucky Leif & The Longships Hawkwind 25 Years (4 CD) Hawkwind Xin Search of Space Anyone seen them recently? Its years since I've seen them live but will see them on their upcoming mini tour> From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 8 18:24:36 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:24:36 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list/Note Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: NOTE: SDNC will not air tomorrow (11/9) because my right hand is in a splint. hopefully next week... this is what i played last week: 11/9 1.Hovercraft "Haloparidol" (Akathisia; Mute/Blast First) 2.Krom Lek "I No Longer Think This Way" (A Breath of Fresh Air; Stone Premonitions) 3.Census of Hallucinations "The Oats and Ivy Orchestra" (Seventh Heaven; thanx to Stone Premonitions!) 4.Tom Byrne "The Battle of Badon Hill" (The Last Druids) 5.Wallenstein "Relics of Past" (Mother Universe; Spalax) 6.Absolute Zero "Bared Cross" (Crashing Icons; thanx again to Stone-P!) 7.Magma "Nono" (Attahk; Decal/Charly) 8.Circle "Promenaadikeskus" (Pori; Metamorphos/Feldspar) 9.ST 37 "Poppy Fields" (Derobe split-LP; RRR) 10.Farflung "Silver Farm" (9 Pin Body?; Brainticket) 11.Nik Turner "Thoth" (Transglobal Friends and Relations; Transparency) 12.The Orb "Outlands" (Dipping into the Cyberworld; Trance) 13.Alchemysts and Simeon "Hydrophobia" (Simeon and the Alchemysts; Rhubric/Woronzow) 14.Vas Deferens Organization "Futura Perspective" (Zyzzybalouba; Aether) thanks, Chuck From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Nov 8 21:13:10 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:13:10 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <200211082218.RAA06798@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: /Rant mode ON oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi regular basis the one thing they hate more than anything. Dave's music compressed and traded around royalty free. To the author of the below post: Send me your mailing address so I can send you a dollar. THEN you can go out and rent a clue. sheesh Mike /Rant mode OFF _____________________________________________ If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. -- Dan Quayle ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical ::Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:18 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Hawkwind MP3's :: :: ::I have the following Hawkind MP3's if anyone fancy's trading for others: :: ::Hawkwind DoReMeFaSoLaTiDo ::Hawkwind Hawkwind ::Hawkwind Hall of the Mountain Grill ::Hawkwind Quark, Strangeness and Charm ::Hawkwind Radio 1 In Concert ::Hawkwind Ridicule ::Hawkwind Roundhouse 72 ::Hawkwind Space Ritual (2CD) ::Hawkwind Space Ritual Vol 2 (2CD) ::Hawkwind The 1999 Party ::Hawkwind Warrior on the Edge of Time ::Bob Calvert Capt Lockheed & The Starfighters ::Bob Calvert Lucky Leif & The Longships ::Hawkwind 25 Years (4 CD) ::Hawkwind Xin Search of Space :: ::Anyone seen them recently? Its years since I've seen them live but will ::see them on their upcoming mini tour> From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 8 23:27:39 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:57:39 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on the edge of time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly wouldn't get any royalties from ebay sales. I dont support mp3 trading 100% but in some circumstances I dont hate it altogether either. Especially where discontinued albums are concerned. I would love to see a re-release of certain albums. How many members are on this list? Recently when I suggested a petition to write griffin or whoever holds the rights to WOTEOT I got three responses from members here. I had more interest via visitors to the Electric Tepee. I know it is most likely a long shot with little hope of success. But thats not what maters is it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > /Rant mode ON > > oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi regular basis > the one thing they hate more than anything. > > Dave's music compressed and traded around royalty free. > > To the author of the below post: > > Send me your mailing address so I can send you a dollar. > > THEN you can go out and rent a clue. > > sheesh > > Mike > > /Rant mode OFF > > _____________________________________________ > > If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > > -- Dan Quayle > > > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical > ::Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:18 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Hawkwind MP3's > :: > :: > ::I have the following Hawkind MP3's if anyone fancy's trading for others: > :: > ::Hawkwind DoReMeFaSoLaTiDo > ::Hawkwind Hawkwind > ::Hawkwind Hall of the Mountain Grill > ::Hawkwind Quark, Strangeness and Charm > ::Hawkwind Radio 1 In Concert > ::Hawkwind Ridicule > ::Hawkwind Roundhouse 72 > ::Hawkwind Space Ritual (2CD) > ::Hawkwind Space Ritual Vol 2 (2CD) > ::Hawkwind The 1999 Party > ::Hawkwind Warrior on the Edge of Time > ::Bob Calvert Capt Lockheed & The Starfighters > ::Bob Calvert Lucky Leif & The Longships > ::Hawkwind 25 Years (4 CD) > ::Hawkwind Xin Search of Space > :: > ::Anyone seen them recently? Its years since I've seen them live but will > ::see them on their upcoming mini tour> > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 9 02:25:12 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:25:12 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Codex Message-ID: Hey folx! I seem to have lost the address to the Hawkwind Codex site. Could someone refresh my memory? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: Hi Pam, Here is the latest link I know of. http://www.starfarer.net/hwcodex.html Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Cliff & Pam Wheaton Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:25 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Hawkwind Codex Hey folx! I seem to have lost the address to the Hawkwind Codex site. Could someone refresh my memory? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > I'm OK with something near the venue. Hi, I'm not going... Alisa From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 9 11:53:11 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:53:11 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Codex Message-ID: Thank you! Pam Chris Raymond wrote: > Hi Pam, > Here is the latest link I know of. > > http://www.starfarer.net/hwcodex.html > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Cliff & Pam Wheaton > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:25 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Hawkwind Codex > > Hey folx! > I seem to have lost the address to the Hawkwind Codex site. Could > someone refresh my memory? > Pam > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Deathsquad UK's "The Ming" is an excellent dark and dramatic track about baptizing a San Francisco skinhead in the 1960's who is supposed to be a jew and is secretly baptised as a gangster, a skinhead in catholic church who is supposed to be ming chinese inside and is ritually humiliated at some point by his family as a woman inside as he is ritually beaten into a gangster secret society as satan. A true ode to deadhead/skinhead in the 1960's by Deathsquad UK, a track which can be found on "The Graveyard Shift" cassette EP. Chr. crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sat Nov 9 13:46:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:46:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw autograph Message-ID: To Michael Blackman: yes, next time I meet up with the Lloyd-Langtons, I'll see about getting a batch autographed! ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 9 15:01:27 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:01:27 -0000 Subject: ICU group, missing posts Message-ID: Hiya All, We have managed to replace the most recent and relevant missing posts, but the others have gone. They have all been re-posted by Fee from her outlook express downloads, so remember it's not her who's writing them. They show the calumny and idiocy of the evil agent Chris hewitt, and give an insight into the causes of the incompetent and disasterous performance of the tacked-together version of Inner City Unit, at the Greasy Truckers gig last night. Well done Nik and Chris, you are true "Artistes" (LOL) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InnerCityUnit/ The relevant posts are 2148 - 2178 Judge Trev (in caustic mode) Real Festival Music - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's, News, Reviews, Vid downloads, Forum From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 9 13:39:40 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:39:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: "I'm an outlaw... I'm a stranger!" Message-ID: The Dictators... all bow down!!! Chr. PS: theo: I've totalled the Dictators tape you made me of Manifest Destiny/Blood Brothers LP's + the B?C - "The Great Sun Jester" track of Mirrors you made me, and you'll have to make me another tape of that and we can arrange some sort of trade or something again... get in touch! Just don't sic your dog on me or something, I swear I'm not a nazi anymore! crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk Nutrition Facts: Agurknytt: Mr. Chips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 9 21:33:02 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:03:02 +1030 Subject: HW: Huw autograph Message-ID: Cheers man :-) I appreciate you doing this. Please let me know when this is arranged as I would love to get the money off in the mail and see this concert asap. Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: HW: Huw autograph > To Michael Blackman: yes, next time I meet up with the Lloyd-Langtons, > I'll see about getting a batch autographed! > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 10 07:38:32 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:38:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 9, 2002): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio and Alchemical Radio. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio show #61 Dunlavy - "Unknown" (from The Navigator Closes His Eyes) Pseudo Sun - "If I Only Had Time" (from Atomic Dogs Don't Bark) The Invisible Band! - "Muzik 106" (from Galactic Citizen) Cipher - "One Who Whispers" (from One Who Whispers) Superczar - "Superczar" (from The Stress Signal) Jones Ave - "Circus Clown" (from Folk Art) San Francisco Blue - "Run Thru The Tall Grass" (from Idiot's Vision) Abdullah - "Guided By The Spirit" (from Graveyard Poetry) Dipsomaniacs - "Miles Away" (from The Tremelo Of Her Mind... The Strings Of Her Soul) Mandrake's Love Apple - "Elephant Memory" (from Mandrake's Love Apple) Voyager One - "Three Pair" (from Monster Zero) Phosphene - "At The End Of The Day" (from Long Meadow Felt Company) Adam Rich - "Welfare Baby" (from Foundation) Alchemical Radio show #29 Fields Of The Nephilim - "Dead To The World" Stephen J - "Finger On The Trigger" Neosoreskin - "Nobody Like Our New Songs" Stella Davies - "I Know" The Lucky Bishops - "You Come Alive" Colin Cross - "2020" Rick Ray - "The Guitarsonist" Paul Rose - "Persona" Jones Ave - "Jones Ave" Stella Davies - "Tangled In Rhymes" Glenn Hughes - "The State I'm In" Steve Juxta - "All" Tygre Moth & The Invisible Gypsy Band - "Moment Of Madness" Skinhesh - "Shine" UFO - "Quicksilver Rider" Dog Salad - "Weird Aura" Basement 3 - "Face To Face" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From coral at APORT.RU Sun Nov 10 08:24:46 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:24:46 +0300 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: ST 37 Message-ID: > >> Mirrors - "White/Black Dwarf" (from Neutron Star) > >This is the old Cleveland band? > > Alisa - Are you from Cleveland, Ohio? ;-) I guess not :). Alisa From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 10 10:41:16 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:41:16 EST Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/2002 11:28:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > I would love to see a re-release of certain albums. How many members are on > this list? Recently when I suggested a petition to write griffin or > whoever holds the rights to WOTEOT I got three responses from members here. > I think I might have been one of the three. My opinion then is the same as now: Great idea, but to whom do we write? In this discussion previously, it was suggested that Griffin, Doug Smith or EMI owned the rights. If we could get official word on who owns the rights (CALLNG DAVE OR KRIS. . .), I'd be all for bombarding the responsible party with e-mails. Joe From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 10 11:04:41 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:04:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead - Basel (Kaserne, Reithalle) 08.11.02 Message-ID: Mot?rhead - Basel, Switzerland (Kaserne, Reithalle) 08.11.02 So, I'd already seen Lemmy and Co. in Columbus, OH several months prior on what I guess is quite a worldwide tour they're on, but hey...when they come within 30 miles of you to play on a Friday night, it's hard to pass up. Even though I've seen them over a dozen times since my first memorable Mot?rhead experience at the Troc in Philadelphia c. 1986. Phil Campbell was a fresh face then, but now (as Lemmy pointed out during the final introduction) he's the longest-standing member of the band (save Lemmy himself of course!) with a full 18 years service. Anyway, I'd only learned of this show several days earlier, not realizing that they might come to play in Basel someplace *other* than the nearby Z-7 club that all the heavy metal acts (including Anthrax, their touring mates earlier on) seem to visit. So then as I soon learned, the big rock hall in the old Kaserne ("Army Barracks") was just opened a couple months back, and actually Mot?rhead became the first metal band to grace its spacious stage. A veritable bottle of champagne (strike that....Jack Daniels) broken across its bow as it sets sail down the River Rhein just to the south. (OK, so you think everything *north* of the Rhine must be 'Germany' right? Well, you see, there's this little tiny chunk of Switzerland cut out there on the north side, Kleinbasel they call it actually.) Never mind that the place is obviously in the old cavalry stables (my German is still terribly poor, but Reithalle must certainly have something to do with horse-riding). The wood rafters still looked original, but otherwise it was stripped down to just a large rectangular shell (standing room only) with a bar built into the back and a 'soundmixing island' more centrally located. Luckily, I had gotten a ticket from TicketCorner (essentially identical to TicketMaster, though the extra charges are part of the listed price, so you're not easily aware of how much they're ripping you off) two days earlier, because I arrived at the entrance (after being completely confused by a huge street fair with ferris wheels and various other rides, game stalls and booths clogging all the neighboring streets, but then lucking out by seeing a couple dressed all in black walking around from door to door obviously looking for the same place...so I just followed them as they enquired in the local language to various security folks as to where the actual entrance was) to discover a large banner that read SOLD OUT (Ausverkauft would have worked too, but they made it extra easy on me). OK, that sentence makes a pretty good paragraph all on its own...let's start a new one then. Happily, I fought my way through the throng of people to discover I needed to first turn in my ticket for a wristband that would gain me entry. Oh well, at least I got in! I found the merchandising stand straight away, but was disappointed that they were not offering Lemmy's just-published autobiography as I understand its distribution is not exactly worldwide...this would have been the perfect opportunity. But in the end I did buy a t-shirt, based more on the 'We Are Mot?rhead' artwork (with the Ace of Spades on the flipside) than the new 'Hammered' album, just 'cause I liked it and I only had one other band t-shirt here with me in Switzerland. Much of the audience of perhaps 1,200 had come already similarly decorated in Mot?rhead gear, with just a smattering of other bands represented (surprisingly, one person with a Magma t-shirt was in attendance). Going in, my biggest concern was when they'd start because I knew full well (based on previous experience) that the last train outta this town and back toward home in Baden was 23:48. I'd already sussed out that despite what it said on the ticket, there was to be no opening band, but even then a 10:30 start would mean that I would either miss the last half-hour of the show (the train station was over 1 km away) or else spend the night walking the streets of Basel until 4:42 AM (the random overnight train to pass through). So then when I saw my best friend ("the-roadie-with-the-flashlight") signal to the back to cut the lights at 10:02, my nervous anxieties faded instantly away and I then turned my attention to just where I was....which was straight on from the PA stack on stage left quite close to the front. Oops...maybe I don't want to be here, if I know what's good for me. So I managed to squeeze through the traffic to get myself settled more comfortably nearer the center (still on Lemmy's side...microphone orientation being such a giveaway) and behind the potentially moshified zone. If indeed the Musikaserne folks were new to putting on a heavy metal concert (which I now seriously doubt), they learn amazingly quick! The sound was to my ears perhaps the clearest ever for a Mot?rhead show from start to finish, despite the obligatory maximum volume approach (no compromise there!) - the vocal mics particularly well handled such that every word was audible, spoken or sung. And hardly an echo to be heard, except in one's own ears (and that's still going strong 48 hours hence, thank you very much). So, finally, the show...well, ok, even before the music started, Lemmy appeared up-front and center and while mounting his weapon of choice (his signature wood-carved Rickenbacker), quickly found himself wiping his face and wagging a finger (accompanied by a stern look) at someone in the front who had decided his beer was too warm and that he should just fling it at the stage. But that was quickly shaken off and in no time the introductory "We Are Mot?rhead (born to kick your ass)" was off and running. Then, without so much as a breath taken in between, they'd also blistered through "No Class" and "Shoot You in the Back" in a matter of five minutes or so. The trio continued in this fashion, mixing in old standards with a few newer tunes, keeping the show both fresh-sounding and yet largely familiar to those audience members who might not follow the band quite so rabidly. They offered two songs from 'Hammered,' both good fast-and-raw numbers, but I was kinda hoping for "No Remorse" which IMHO is the strongest cut on the album ("The Game" is pretty cool too, esp. for a 'bonus' track - hardly an afterthought!). "Brave New World" worked well, with Phil's guitar work with a wah pedal something I liked hearing for a change (and thanks to the soundman, you *could* hear it). Their renditions of "God Save the Queen" and "Ramones" (the latter having an introduction that was actually longer than the song itself, having *two* Ramones to eulogize now as opposed to just one) should have reminded anyone in the audience too young to remember that the early Lemmy/Wallis version of Mot?rhead was as much a *part* of the punkrock era as the metallized counteroffer of years hence. And that reminds *me*...I'd love to hear "On Parole" someday. Anyway, lots of my favorites (good set choices throughout!) came by one after another, including "Metropolis" (with the obligatory "This one is called Metropolis!" introduction by Lemmy just as on the classic 'No Sleep 'till Hammersmith' album) and "Dr. Rock" from the superb 'Orgasmatron' disc. They surprised me with "Over the Top" which I think was only ever a B-side track, but I know it from some compilation CD I have somewhere back in Ohio I'm sure. "Damage Case" was another surprise, a tune I hardly remember from 'Overkill' since I never got that CD and haven't heard the LP in ages (I think I may have sold it even). Drummer Mikkey Dee got a chance to spend a good five minutes banging around on his gear following "Sacrifice." Translation: Voice break for Lemmy, or perhaps another drink or two. After "Killed by Death," Phil got a minute or two of his own doing some semi-interesting screaming on his guitar. Strangely, Lemmy didn't do much of anything 'on his own' - not even his classic "Stay Clean" break was to be heard this night. But no matter, it was just a great straightforward kick-ass Mot?rhead gig as they said it would be from the start. The audience was fairly well behaved for the most part, though the guy next-to-me did his best "Statue of Liberty" impersonation with his right arm in front of my face for much of the gig. I dunno, with his cell phone (Who invented this horrid device anyway? I'd like to shoot the bastard.) open throughout much of the show, he was either trying to make everyone on his speed dial jealous that *they* weren't at the gig too, or else he was taping the entire show at home on his answering machine. The strangest audience sight, though, was the ~12-year old kid on the shoulders of an otherwise-responsible-looking-adult and waving his arms wildly from time to time. I guess child abuse laws here are a little more lax. :) OK, to conclude...the version of "Orgasmatron" this night made it (for me personally) a truly stellar gig (though it being the one moment where much of the audience kinda chilled out a little). As I'd seen them before, the bulk of the stage was alit in solid emerald green, though this time the 'Hammered' artwork backdrop was illuminated with bright purple and the eyes in the mask aglow in blood red. Really nice effect - no smoke was necessarily added since the entire place had been full of smoke since before the show even started! (Not much ventilation here.) But anyway, this song has always really special for me, both musically (where it comes across almost 'krautrockish' to my ears) and lyrically (one of the few times I even really care much about the lyrics). And this version was great - Lemmy changing it up a little by throwing a few of the lines in each verse up an octave, and Phil adding some wonderful devilish guitar licks near the end synth-etically "trigger-echoed" (?) in a way like what Tony Iommi did for the "E5150" piece on the 'Mob Rules' album (and you can hear some of this too on the aforementioned "No Remorse" track). So, eventually they reached the end and Lemmy announced it would be the final tune (yeah, right!) and when he began a familiar-sounding rapid-fire riff on his own, me and 99% of the others expected "Ace of Spades" to ensue...but then it turned out to be "Iron Fist" which was warmly welcomed just the same. The encore began with an air-raid siren, a clear giveaway for "Bomber" (I longed to see the actual Bomber rig again this night, which you only can do now via the DVD of the 25 Anniversary show in Brixton - look for me in the balcony!), and then the expected duo of "Ace of Spades" and "Overkill" followed in turn. Checking my watch finally, I worked my way back to the exit as the last reprisal of the latter tune was winding down, ducking out while only missing out on Lemmy's 'machine gun tribute' to the faithful audience and perhaps a few minutes of amplifier feedback as they would exit the stage....that routine is standard. So then, after the 90 minute show, I still had enough time to race out through the nearly-empty "fairgrounds" back to the station to catch my train...whew! The amazing thing was that even at this hurried pace, my keen eye managed to catch out on the periphery an innocent-looking poster that had been stapled to a nearby pole with merely the letters "M" "A" and "N" across the thing in strange hand-writing. I knew I couldn't afford the interruption, but my curiosity got the better of me and so I stopped abruptly and returned to said pole and discovered upon closer look something scribbled in the corner with '1968' and 'Wales" in it, and said to myself figuratively "Holy Shit, it *is* for the Man band!" Luckily, it also said 10.11.02 (hmmm...which way do the numbers work again?) and *not* something already past, which I was able to quickly suss out as being Sunday, the day after tomorrow. OK, so another trip to Basel this weekend...forget all the work I was going to get done now! And the gig is somewhere else in the Kaserne structure I have since learned, a smaller establishment called the "Parterre," so I know it's on the ground floor (I mean, "Erdgeschoss") at least. And I know again how long I can stay without missing the train...here's keeping my fingers crossed that I won't face that situation again. (It says 20:00 start (w/ opener) so that sounds pretty positive for an early night!) Setlist: We Are Mot?rhead No Class Shoot You in the Back Civil War God Save the Queen Brave New World Metropolis Dr. Rock Ramones Shut Your Mouth Over the Top Damage Case Sacrifice/Dee Solo Orgasmatron Going to Brazil Killed by Death/Campbell Solo Iron Fist --------- Bomber Ace of Spades Overkill Grakkl (FAA) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 9 23:50:56 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:50:56 +0000 Subject: HW: a few stray meandering thoughts on Alien 4 and stuff Message-ID: I just thought this album was too slickly produced and that the music was too simplistic, and the overall effect was blah, despite a nice digipak and everything. I never knew there a jewel case edition of this thing until years later. Was the jewel case edition released on Griffin or something? My digipak was on EBS, of course. I got it at Free Record Shop in Oslo in 1995 when it just came out, in fact. Highlight tracks included for me "Sputnik Stan", "Beam Me Up", "Blue Skin" and "Festivals". Dandy little booklet with some nice illustrations, though! I truly hated "Love In Space" by the way, their suckiest live set in years, IMO. Nifty robot of Ron's onstage, though. I have the video so I should know. Did he ever get to sell the thing? Great stage show on the tour despite suckily and over slicked up production detracting from the band's live sound, I thought, though the video isn't half bad. Alien 4 had a cool pic of an alien peeking at a pregnant lady too on the cover if I remember correctly! My problem with the digipak was that the sides got torn where you slide the disc in, other than that it was very nice, I may have seen the jewel case version somewhere but wouldn't want it for all the world, though. Chr., probably aka Ax Gengrich or somebody equally qualified on these matters of digipaks and things "you shouldn't get a dog if you've already got a cat" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 10 12:17:13 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:47:13 +1030 Subject: OFF Re: HW: a few stray meandering thoughts on Alien 4 and stuff OFF Message-ID: Sinner!! BLASPHEMER!!! I fart in your general direction and wave my private parts to insult you. No go away before I fart a second time!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: HW: a few stray meandering thoughts on Alien 4 and stuff > I just thought this album was too slickly produced and > that the music was too simplistic, and the overall > effect was blah, despite a nice digipak and > everything. > I never knew there a jewel case edition of this thing > until years later. Was the jewel case edition released > on Griffin or something? My digipak was on EBS, of > course. I got it at Free Record Shop in Oslo in 1995 > when it just came out, in fact. Highlight tracks > included for me "Sputnik Stan", "Beam Me Up", "Blue > Skin" and "Festivals". Dandy little booklet with some > nice illustrations, though! I truly hated "Love In > Space" by the way, their suckiest live set in years, > IMO. Nifty robot of Ron's onstage, though. I have the > video so I should know. Did he ever get to sell the > thing? Great stage show on the tour despite suckily > and over slicked up production detracting from the > band's live sound, I thought, though the video isn't > half bad. Alien 4 had a cool pic of an alien peeking > at a pregnant lady too on the cover if I remember > correctly! My problem with the digipak was that the > sides got torn where you slide the disc in, other than > that it was very nice, I may have seen the jewel case > version somewhere but wouldn't want it for all the > world, though. > > Chr., probably aka Ax Gengrich or somebody equally > qualified on these matters of digipaks and things > > "you shouldn't get a dog if you've already got a cat" > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Nov 10 14:32:39 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:32:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER In-Reply-To: <0ec501c28794$dbec4800$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: > --- DRider wrote: >Could someone please send us a review of this event Well, as you asked. This is just a few comments, I don?t pretend this is thorough or comprehensive. Sorry for those of you getting this three times... - Inner City Pomp - This is what we got instead of the proposed ICU. I don?t know who the announcer was (possibly Andy Dunkley) but he said something before this band came on and I missed it all as I was getting food upstairs. So as far as I can tell the band consisted of Nik, Dave Anderson (bass), Naz (guitar), Jim Hawkman (synths) and others I didn?t recognise on keyboards and drums (could have been Dino but I didn?t recognise him if it was). It was pretty poor to start with but improved a little. Very loose & unrehearsed, not surprising under the circumstances. It seemed like a ropey attempt at turning what would have a been a bonafide ICU reunion with Trev & Steve into a kind of Imperial Pompadours ?wow it?s so crazy anything could happen? type of thing. I wasn?t too impressed. Numbers attempted and mostly massacred included Space Invaders, Watching the Grass Grow, Bones of Elvis, Little Black Egg, Gas Money. I didn?t jot down a full setlist coz I didn?t think it was worth it, but don't worry coz Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in the live album recording of the event. Now there's a surprise. I suppose some credit must go to Nik for trying to front this group at the last minute and hold it together. However, my take on ICU was that they were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was really just Nik & The Stand-ins. If this is the future of ICU, please save us Judge, you?re our only hope! - Tractor - I?d never heard of this band until they started getting promoted along with Nik?s band. They?re a duo, a singer/guitarist with a drummer/bongo player. I was very impressed. They had a good strong sound, very tight, quite professional, put ICP to shame. Fair play to them. They did an encore with Eric Bell, playing Whiskey In The Jar & another bluesy number. This was fun to hear, although he was one of those good guitar players who just mumbles his vocals. - Space Ritual.net - The line-up was Nik, Jim Hawkman on synths, woman on bongos, bloke called Rhubarb on vocals, Mick Slattery, Thomas Crimble, Jerry Richards & Hewitt-the-younger (all on guitar), Ron Tree, Dave Anderson, Adrian Shaw (all on bass), Terry & Sam Ollis (both on drums) plus 2 dancers. Apart from Hewitt-the-younger, all of the above were onstage at the same time throughout. The set was the same as Guilfest more or less, except they?ve dropped the Coltrane number (which was Blue Train I think) and In The Mood (coz Inner City Pomp did that), and instead they have put in a new number that Thomas sang (called It?s Alright or something similar) and they?re also doing Born To Go now ? I remember somebody requested it at Guilfest but as Mick didn?t know it they didn?t play it then. Other numbers were Orgone Accumulator, D-Rider (a definite high-point, some nice flute there), Brainstorm, Master of the Universe, Silver Machine. Can?t remember the precise order. Nick Calvert joined in for Silver Machine. How was it? It was driving powerful early-HW-type noise somme of the time, a cacophony of unrehearsed pub-rock the rest of the time. Master was a good example ? exciting to hear it and arguably they try to play it with more energy than HW do, but it was still a loose mess with 3 bass players all managing to get it wrong. I suppose it all depends what you think a "party" gig should be. We all know the stories about the PinkWind din sessions in the early 70s, the Deviants & The Pretty Things used to do the same in the 60s, but that was at the end of the evening, when both bands had already done their "proper" thing. This is clearly the spirit Nik is trying to evoke. But having all the guests on at once throughout the whole set muddied things and detracted from the sound rather than enhance it IMHO. For example I can?t honestly say I heard a good guitar break all evening, Mick?s playing was sadly lost in the overall noise, as was Jerry?s. Ron Tree did very little in the way of vocals, he looked hemmed in physically and musically, no room to express himself. I was never a big fan of Ron but you?ve got to admit he had/has character and energy, and none of that was expressed last night, he just stood there looking thoroughly sheepish throughout. A few words about the Ollis duo though ? they are superb, Terry?s drumming seems perfectly suited to this kind of stripped down basic early-HW-style music. If I had to sum this performance up I?d say that I think I preferred the basic band at Guilfest (Nik, Mick, Thomas, Terry & Sam, Jim), although that could have been the novelty value of seeing them for the first time. The overall impression at Mean Fiddler was one of quantity over quality, very much a case of "forget the music, just look at all the names we?ve got up here! Of course you can?t hear most of them but hey they used to be in Hawkwind so have fun!" etc etc. Plenty of people seemed to be enjoying themselves, and I certainly did for some of it. - politics - Unlike Guilfest, I didn?t hear any preaching from the stage about ?We?re not trying to be Hawkwind honest guv?, the court case, Nik doing his ?I?m so innocent? act etc. Neither was the ?spirit of Barney Bubbles/Bob Calvert? invoked, which is good coz I?m getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name they can think of to justify what they?re doing. - venue - I missed the gig last year where people seem to have been treated so badly at this place. I personally had no problem last night, I found the staff amiable and friendly and was not herded out at the end, despite hanging around chatting to people after the band had finished. Would I go again? Not to another GTruckers party, possibly to another straight SpaceRitual.net gig though, probably Southampton next year coz Judge Trev might play Black Raven in his support slot. Otherwise, roll on the real HAWKWIND in December I say, with Bedouin and Silver Machine to keep us going til then! AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 10 16:08:58 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:08:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER Message-ID: The female keyboard player/vocalist in ICU/P was, I believe, Ola. ICU/P were a mess; the songs were ruined beyond recognition and it was, frankly, boring, which the REAL ICU never were. Tractor were technically OK in a dull sort of way; Eric Bell livened it up rather but was not on for long enough. Space Ritual were fairly dreadful; far too many people on stage at once with the 2 truly good musicians (Jerry Richards & Adrian Shaw) being inaudible for most of the very short set amid the cacophony of under-rehearsed jamming that passed for the songs. Still, it was an experience, but probably in the same way that watching England attempt to play cricket is! Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Linsley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER > --- DRider wrote: >Could someone please send us a review of this event Well, as you asked. This is just a few comments, I don't pretend this is thorough or comprehensive. Sorry for those of you getting this three times... - Inner City Pomp - This is what we got instead of the proposed ICU. I don't know who the announcer was (possibly Andy Dunkley) but he said something before this band came on and I missed it all as I was getting food upstairs. So as far as I can tell the band consisted of Nik, Dave Anderson (bass), Naz (guitar), Jim Hawkman (synths) and others I didn't recognise on keyboards and drums (could have been Dino but I didn't recognise him if it was). It was pretty poor to start with but improved a little. Very loose & unrehearsed, not surprising under the circumstances. It seemed like a ropey attempt at turning what would have a been a bonafide ICU reunion with Trev & Steve into a kind of Imperial Pompadours "wow it's so crazy anything could happen" type of thing. I wasn't too impressed. Numbers attempted and mostly massacred included Space Invaders, Watching the Grass Grow, Bones of Elvis, Little Black Egg, Gas Money. I didn't jot down a full setlist coz I didn't think it was worth it, but don't worry coz Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in the live album recording of the event. Now there's a surprise. I suppose some credit must go to Nik for trying to front this group at the last minute and hold it together. However, my take on ICU was that they were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was really just Nik & The Stand-ins. If this is the future of ICU, please save us Judge, you're our only hope! - Tractor - I'd never heard of this band until they started getting promoted along with Nik's band. They're a duo, a singer/guitarist with a drummer/bongo player. I was very impressed. They had a good strong sound, very tight, quite professional, put ICP to shame. Fair play to them. They did an encore with Eric Bell, playing Whiskey In The Jar & another bluesy number. This was fun to hear, although he was one of those good guitar players who just mumbles his vocals. - Space Ritual.net - The line-up was Nik, Jim Hawkman on synths, woman on bongos, bloke called Rhubarb on vocals, Mick Slattery, Thomas Crimble, Jerry Richards & Hewitt-the-younger (all on guitar), Ron Tree, Dave Anderson, Adrian Shaw (all on bass), Terry & Sam Ollis (both on drums) plus 2 dancers. Apart from Hewitt-the-younger, all of the above were onstage at the same time throughout. The set was the same as Guilfest more or less, except they've dropped the Coltrane number (which was Blue Train I think) and In The Mood (coz Inner City Pomp did that), and instead they have put in a new number that Thomas sang (called It's Alright or something similar) and they're also doing Born To Go now - I remember somebody requested it at Guilfest but as Mick didn't know it they didn't play it then. Other numbers were Orgone Accumulator, D-Rider (a definite high-point, some nice flute there), Brainstorm, Master of the Universe, Silver Machine. Can't remember the precise order. Nick Calvert joined in for Silver Machine. How was it? It was driving powerful early-HW-type noise somme of the time, a cacophony of unrehearsed pub-rock the rest of the time. Master was a good example - exciting to hear it and arguably they try to play it with more energy than HW do, but it was still a loose mess with 3 bass players all managing to get it wrong. I suppose it all depends what you think a "party" gig should be. We all know the stories about the PinkWind din sessions in the early 70s, the Deviants & The Pretty Things used to do the same in the 60s, but that was at the end of the evening, when both bands had already done their "proper" thing. This is clearly the spirit Nik is trying to evoke. But having all the guests on at once throughout the whole set muddied things and detracted from the sound rather than enhance it IMHO. For example I can't honestly say I heard a good guitar break all evening, Mick's playing was sadly lost in the overall noise, as was Jerry's. Ron Tree did very little in the way of vocals, he looked hemmed in physically and musically, no room to express himself. I was never a big fan of Ron but you've got to admit he had/has character and energy, and none of that was expressed last night, he just stood there looking thoroughly sheepish throughout. A few words about the Ollis duo though - they are superb, Terry's drumming seems perfectly suited to this kind of stripped down basic early-HW-style music. If I had to sum this performance up I'd say that I think I preferred the basic band at Guilfest (Nik, Mick, Thomas, Terry & Sam, Jim), although that could have been the novelty value of seeing them for the first time. The overall impression at Mean Fiddler was one of quantity over quality, very much a case of "forget the music, just look at all the names we've got up here! Of course you can't hear most of them but hey they used to be in Hawkwind so have fun!" etc etc. Plenty of people seemed to be enjoying themselves, and I certainly did for some of it. - politics - Unlike Guilfest, I didn't hear any preaching from the stage about "We're not trying to be Hawkwind honest guv", the court case, Nik doing his "I'm so innocent" act etc. Neither was the "spirit of Barney Bubbles/Bob Calvert" invoked, which is good coz I'm getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name they can think of to justify what they're doing. - venue - I missed the gig last year where people seem to have been treated so badly at this place. I personally had no problem last night, I found the staff amiable and friendly and was not herded out at the end, despite hanging around chatting to people after the band had finished. Would I go again? Not to another GTruckers party, possibly to another straight SpaceRitual.net gig though, probably Southampton next year coz Judge Trev might play Black Raven in his support slot. Otherwise, roll on the real HAWKWIND in December I say, with Bedouin and Silver Machine to keep us going til then! AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 04:04:01 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:04:01 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a year after it was released. I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD without having to transfer them myself! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 11 06:47:38 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:47:38 EDT Subject: OFF: "I'm an outlaw... I'm a stranger!" In-Reply-To: <20021109183940.62171.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9 Nov 2002, at 18:39, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > The Dictators... all bow down!!! > > Chr. > > PS: theo: I've totalled the Dictators tape you made me > of Manifest Destiny/Blood Brothers LP's + the B?C - > "The Great Sun Jester" track of Mirrors you made me, > and you'll have to make me another tape of that and we > can arrange some sort of trade or something again... > get in touch! Just don't sic your dog on me or > something, I swear I'm not a nazi anymore! > Well, you're still a young man. You might get it in your lifetime! Send me a private email with instructions and I'll get it going for ya. I'll include a burn of the rare 'F#ck 'em if They Can't Take a Joke live CD. Check in with Jason on this list. Rumor has it the Dictators, for ill or good, are back together? My dogs are Dobermans, I don't know if they'd want to bite a Nazi anyway! They prefer spoiled white teenagers with baggy shorts and turned-around ball caps... theo From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Nov 11 08:11:40 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:11:40 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <200211110904.EAA15261@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: e-Bay you twit. I don't care if you spent your fortune or a only a fennig on Hawkwind music. Useing this list to advertise trading Dave's music royalty free and compressed is tacky. But I figure by now you will never "get" that Mike ________________________________ Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical ::->Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:04 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's ::-> ::-> ::->Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all ::->the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can ::->find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a ::->year after it was released. ::-> ::->I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD without ::->having to transfer them myself! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 11 10:45:44 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:45:44 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <200211110904.EAA15261@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical wrote: => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a => year after it was released. => => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD without => having to transfer them myself! You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. Either that, or he will kick your ass. :-) BTW, everyone, please send me 8-bit .au copies of every Hawkwind release. You see, my collection is upstairs, but I want to play them here, downstairs, and it's so inconvenient to go up and get them. I have EVERYTHING Hawkwind (plus Friends & Relations) have ever released or will ever release---honest, I do. [Shows both hands to demonstrate no fingers are crossed.] So please, don't think I'm trying to scam anyone. This is purely an issue of 8-bit .au format availability (and sloth:)... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 10:58:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:28:28 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: I've got some old cowboy boots fer sale if anyone is interested? and some very official Alien Dream collector edition guitar picks with my original fingerprints still on em. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical wrote: > => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all > => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > => year after it was released. > => > => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD without > => having to transfer them myself! > > You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking > of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why > don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a > backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave > himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, > based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very > helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. > > Either that, or he will kick your ass. :-) > > BTW, everyone, please send me 8-bit .au copies of every Hawkwind > release. You see, my collection is upstairs, but I want to play them > here, downstairs, and it's so inconvenient to go up and get them. I > have EVERYTHING Hawkwind (plus Friends & Relations) have ever released > or will ever release---honest, I do. [Shows both hands to demonstrate > no fingers are crossed.] So please, don't think I'm trying to scam > anyone. This is purely an issue of 8-bit .au format availability (and > sloth:)... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Nov 11 11:49:20 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:49:20 -0400 Subject: [Hawkwind] Digest Number 1061 Message-ID: Personally, I had a wonderful time. It was quite a thrill playing new material with such amazing artists in our lineup. I will make some pics available on the One Eyed Bishops site with a few days, and perhaps upload one to the files section of this list group. Thanks so everyone. Here's the info on our setlist and personnel: Sect Appeal The Red Rooster Ca The Yowes ( LBH) Talk about Sufferin Washboard Blues Cumberland Gap Muleskinner blues Hurry On Sundown * Smokestack Lightning Lineup: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm and lead guitar, tambourine, washboard & vocals Jay Adcock: djembe, vocals Jim Klinger: acoustic guitar, washtub bass, jug Steve Miller: washboard, kazoo, muted kazoo, jug Bob Beach: harmonicas, Flute, vocals Adam Klein: electric bass dulcimer, pennywhistle, bones, vocals Constance Cook: conga, dulcimer, vocals * Adam & Constance are 'Little Blue Heron' * Jim, Steve, & Bob are members of 'The Philadelphia Jugband' ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:25 AM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Hawkwind] Digest Number 1061 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. The Landing Pad Space Rock Fest, the next morning (no HW content) From: hawkwinder at aol.com 2. Re: Huw DVD video clip From: "Sofakingwetodid" 3. HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER From: Alan Linsley 4. Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight From: "colinjallen" 5. Re: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER From: "not_geneticallyengineered" 6. RE: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight From: "Ben Fagin" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:43:54 EST From: hawkwinder at aol.com Subject: The Landing Pad Space Rock Fest, the next morning (no HW content) I'm curious how many people from this list showed up last night at the Rotunda? I know of at least 2 people..... Well, that asked, here is a brief rundown of the evening. First off, ample food & drink provided by the space rock cook: Chef Jeff....Great stuff. by 9 at night the venue had run out of seating. The said that was a hell of a lot more people there than they normally experience. I apologize in advance for any thoughtless screw up on bands names etc.... The night started off with Mikronesia (one man thing) who also played in between bands as they were setting up. Creating great atmospheres. The John Price Trio was absolutely amazing as expected. Possibly the highlight of the night for me. The One Eyed Bishops pretty much had captured the audience with a flawless performance (I'll let Mike fill in the details, he'll know better than I about songs etc) and of course ended the set with the Hawkwind classic "Hurry on Sundown". Radio Eris were most enjoyable, more spacey and eerie. Alien Planetscapes were represented by Richie Orlando who did a superb solo job. He explained the he lost the rest of the band members for various reasons, and Doug Walker had broke his foot. I hope for Doug's quick recovery. Red Masque were pretty tight and unusual at times, and although by that late hour about half the audience had left, they had us mesmerized with a solid show and interpretive dancing. Scattered Planets went on close to 2AM owing partly to some bands going over in time, but were allowed to do a short set as the place remained open later than usual for us. Mainly because of the wonderful job Doug McMahan had done setting the event up, it would have been cruel to shut down before we played. Sadly during the course of the evening, the wonderful soundcheck we had done in the afternoon was completely undone by the needs of the other bands, so we played (what I consider) after a rushed and half-assed sound check, but managed to keep it together for about 1/2 hour and I believe pleased the remaining few that stuck it out that late. Big thanks to anyone out there that did. We had a great time and talking to many folk there I think everyone else did. I think this event will be repeated in the near future, mostly likely with different artists, but hopefully as enjoyable as last night. Bob [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:58:13 -0000 From: "Sofakingwetodid" Subject: Re: Huw DVD video clip Well I tried again and to no avail. When I try and watch it online all I get is gibberish text message and when I download th 1.8 meg file and try to open it with either Windows Media player 7 or quicktime I still get nothing. I've been to your page Fee several times and have never had any problem with the video on your page. Jeff In Hawkwind at y..., "Fee Mercury Moon" wrote: > Hi Jeff > > It works for me. > > Fee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sofakingwetodid > To: Hawkwind at y... > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:30 PM > Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Huw DVD video clip > > > For some reason I can't get it to play. > Any suggestions? > J > - In Hawkwind at y..., slitchfield at u... wrote: > > Just to say I'm uploading a video clip from the Huw Lloyd-Langton music > > DVD, in Windows Media format, to the site. It's only 1.8MB for 1 min 45 > > seconds, so should be downloadable by almost everyone that's interested. > > > > See http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm#video > > > > Steve Litchfield > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Hawkwind-unsubscribe at y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:32:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Linsley Subject: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER > --- DRider wrote: >Could someone please send us a review of this event Well, as you asked. This is just a few comments, I don?t pretend this is thorough or comprehensive. Sorry for those of you getting this three times... - Inner City Pomp - This is what we got instead of the proposed ICU. I don?t know who the announcer was (possibly Andy Dunkley) but he said something before this band came on and I missed it all as I was getting food upstairs. So as far as I can tell the band consisted of Nik, Dave Anderson (bass), Naz (guitar), Jim Hawkman (synths) and others I didn?t recognise on keyboards and drums (could have been Dino but I didn?t recognise him if it was). It was pretty poor to start with but improved a little. Very loose & unrehearsed, not surprising under the circumstances. It seemed like a ropey attempt at turning what would have a been a bonafide ICU reunion with Trev & Steve into a kind of Imperial Pompadours ?wow it?s so crazy anything could happen? type of thing. I wasn?t too impressed. Numbers attempted and mostly massacred included Space Invaders, Watching the Grass Grow, Bones of Elvis, Little Black Egg, Gas Money. I didn?t jot down a full setlist coz I didn?t think it was worth it, but don't worry coz Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in the live album recording of the event. Now there's a surprise. I suppose some credit must go to Nik for trying to front this group at the last minute and hold it together. However, my take on ICU was that they were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was really just Nik & The Stand-ins. If this is the future of ICU, please save us Judge, you?re our only hope! - Tractor - I?d never heard of this band until they started getting promoted along with Nik?s band. They?re a duo, a singer/guitarist with a drummer/bongo player. I was very impressed. They had a good strong sound, very tight, quite professional, put ICP to shame. Fair play to them. They did an encore with Eric Bell, playing Whiskey In The Jar & another bluesy number. This was fun to hear, although he was one of those good guitar players who just mumbles his vocals. - Space Ritual.net - The line-up was Nik, Jim Hawkman on synths, woman on bongos, bloke called Rhubarb on vocals, Mick Slattery, Thomas Crimble, Jerry Richards & Hewitt-the-younger (all on guitar), Ron Tree, Dave Anderson, Adrian Shaw (all on bass), Terry & Sam Ollis (both on drums) plus 2 dancers. Apart from Hewitt-the-younger, all of the above were onstage at the same time throughout. The set was the same as Guilfest more or less, except they?ve dropped the Coltrane number (which was Blue Train I think) and In The Mood (coz Inner City Pomp did that), and instead they have put in a new number that Thomas sang (called It?s Alright or something similar) and they?re also doing Born To Go now ? I remember somebody requested it at Guilfest but as Mick didn?t know it they didn?t play it then. Other numbers were Orgone Accumulator, D-Rider (a definite high-point, some nice flute there), Brainstorm, Master of the Universe, Silver Machine. Can?t remember the precise order. Nick Calvert joined in for Silver Machine. How was it? It was driving powerful early-HW-type noise somme of the time, a cacophony of unrehearsed pub-rock the rest of the time. Master was a good example ? exciting to hear it and arguably they try to play it with more energy than HW do, but it was still a loose mess with 3 bass players all managing to get it wrong. I suppose it all depends what you think a "party" gig should be. We all know the stories about the PinkWind din sessions in the early 70s, the Deviants & The Pretty Things used to do the same in the 60s, but that was at the end of the evening, when both bands had already done their "proper" thing. This is clearly the spirit Nik is trying to evoke. But having all the guests on at once throughout the whole set muddied things and detracted from the sound rather than enhance it IMHO. For example I can?t honestly say I heard a good guitar break all evening, Mick?s playing was sadly lost in the overall noise, as was Jerry?s. Ron Tree did very little in the way of vocals, he looked hemmed in physically and musically, no room to express himself. I was never a big fan of Ron but you?ve got to admit he had/has character and energy, and none of that was expressed last night, he just stood there looking thoroughly sheepish throughout. A few words about the Ollis duo though ? they are superb, Terry?s drumming seems perfectly suited to this kind of stripped down basic early-HW-style music. If I had to sum this performance up I?d say that I think I preferred the basic band at Guilfest (Nik, Mick, Thomas, Terry & Sam, Jim), although that could have been the novelty value of seeing them for the first time. The overall impression at Mean Fiddler was one of quantity over quality, very much a case of "forget the music, just look at all the names we?ve got up here! Of course you can?t hear most of them but hey they used to be in Hawkwind so have fun!" etc etc. Plenty of people seemed to be enjoying themselves, and I certainly did for some of it. - politics - Unlike Guilfest, I didn?t hear any preaching from the stage about ?We?re not trying to be Hawkwind honest guv?, the court case, Nik doing his ?I?m so innocent? act etc. Neither was the ?spirit of Barney Bubbles/Bob Calvert? invoked, which is good coz I?m getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name they can think of to justify what they?re doing. - venue - I missed the gig last year where people seem to have been treated so badly at this place. I personally had no problem last night, I found the staff amiable and friendly and was not herded out at the end, despite hanging around chatting to people after the band had finished. Would I go again? Not to another GTruckers party, possibly to another straight SpaceRitual.net gig though, probably Southampton next year coz Judge Trev might play Black Raven in his support slot. Otherwise, roll on the real HAWKWIND in December I say, with Bedouin and Silver Machine to keep us going til then! AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:38 -0000 From: "colinjallen" Subject: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight Gosh, we must have been at different gigs; perhaps I went to the wrong venue and that is why it sounded so awful! Seriously, ICU/P were a shambles, as expected. Tractor were technically good in a dull sort of way. Space Ritual were, IMHO, very poor; far too many people on stage and no real sense of direction or timing. The 2 decent musicians (Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were inaudible most of the time amid the general cacophony; different parts of the "band" appeared to be playing in different keys and at different tempos for much of the time. Thankfully, the set was rather short (about 80 minutes), which was a blessing really! Colin --- In Hawkwind at y..., "dreamworker" wrote: > We got there a bit late, so missed "ICU". Mates who'd endured that set said > we hadn't missed out on anything. > > Tractor were excellent. Really good 60s vibe with a modern sound. > > Spaceritual.net were much, much better than we expected, I have to say - > I've heard a few shows on CD and mates who were there had seen them at > Glastonbury, Canterbury and Guildford. It started off OK, but really ramped > up all through the set until by the end they were blinding. > > - Volume on the mics was crap, so it was difficult to hear the vocals. > - Terry Ollis did a fantastic job, everyone I spoke to commented on that. > - Nik was in fine form, and I'm not his greatest fan, although that rubber > suit could do with a spray of Febreze !! > - We couldn't decide who exactly was doing all the really good bass bits > (sorry to Messrs Shaw and Crimble) but there were some stunning efforts from > that department. > - I enjoyed Jerry's guitar, but the others with me said they hadn't really > picked up on his sound > - Ron Tree's bass was well down in the mix, he attempted some vocals early > on but everyone was wondering what he was really adding to the sound. Shame > because I was hoping he might do some Calvert type stuff .... > - First time most of the folks I was with (me included) had seen Cmdr J > Hawkman play and he was brilliant - some fantastic noises coming from his > corner of the stage > > You know I'm not much of a detail-on-the-night man, so I can't quote the > setlist to you, but they opened with Born To Go and did Silver Machine, > Master of the Universe, Brainstorm, ..... There was some acoustic type > number that Thomas Crimble did vocals on, that really chugged along and was > excellent. > > View from the crowd was crap (we were by the mixing desk), but up at the > cafe area you could look directly down on the stage and see the mysterious > head bobbing about at the back that was Adrian Shaw and get a superb view of > Terry doing the biz. > > All in all a very laid back night, with some really good jam type versions > of golden oldies. Looking forward to the next one .... > > Cheers. Rob. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DRider > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:08 AM > Subject: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight > > > > Hey Now! > > > > Could someone please send us a review of this event when you come down > from > > your Brainstorm??? > > > > Remember The Future, > > > > D > > > > > > -- > > Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? > > To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at y... > > You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. > > -- > > If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another > > solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail > > to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at y... > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > neo-quark-unsubscribe at y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:46:11 -0000 From: "not_geneticallyengineered" Subject: Re: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER Hi AL, Thanks for the review. I'm glad I stayed at home and kept my money! > Numbers attempted and mostly massacred > Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in > the live album recording of the event. Now there's a > surprise. Nik is assuming that people will buy any ol' rubbish simply because he's on it I fear! Didn't he learn anything from 2001 a space rock odyssey? (obviously not). > my take on ICU was that they > were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I > always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important > if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was > really just Nik & The Stand-ins. Great name! > If this is the future of ICU, please save us Judge, > you?re our only hope! Amen to that! > Neither was the ?spirit of Barney > Bubbles/Bob Calvert? invoked, which is good coz I?m > getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name > they can think of to justify what they?re doing. I'll second that! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:30:54 -0000 From: "Ben Fagin" Subject: RE: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight Yes, it's true! Couldn't agree more. -----Original Message----- From: colinjallen [mailto:colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 10 November 2002 21:33 To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight Gosh, we must have been at different gigs; perhaps I went to the wrong venue and that is why it sounded so awful! Seriously, ICU/P were a shambles, as expected. Tractor were technically good in a dull sort of way. Space Ritual were, IMHO, very poor; far too many people on stage and no real sense of direction or timing. The 2 decent musicians (Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were inaudible most of the time amid the general cacophony; different parts of the "band" appeared to be playing in different keys and at different tempos for much of the time. Thankfully, the set was rather short (about 80 minutes), which was a blessing really! Colin --- In Hawkwind at y..., "dreamworker" wrote: > We got there a bit late, so missed "ICU". Mates who'd endured that set said > we hadn't missed out on anything. > > Tractor were excellent. Really good 60s vibe with a modern sound. > > Spaceritual.net were much, much better than we expected, I have to say - > I've heard a few shows on CD and mates who were there had seen them at > Glastonbury, Canterbury and Guildford. It started off OK, but really ramped > up all through the set until by the end they were blinding. > > - Volume on the mics was crap, so it was difficult to hear the vocals. > - Terry Ollis did a fantastic job, everyone I spoke to commented on that. > - Nik was in fine form, and I'm not his greatest fan, although that rubber > suit could do with a spray of Febreze !! > - We couldn't decide who exactly was doing all the really good bass bits > (sorry to Messrs Shaw and Crimble) but there were some stunning efforts from > that department. > - I enjoyed Jerry's guitar, but the others with me said they hadn't really > picked up on his sound > - Ron Tree's bass was well down in the mix, he attempted some vocals early > on but everyone was wondering what he was really adding to the sound. Shame > because I was hoping he might do some Calvert type stuff .... > - First time most of the folks I was with (me included) had seen Cmdr J > Hawkman play and he was brilliant - some fantastic noises coming from his > corner of the stage > > You know I'm not much of a detail-on-the-night man, so I can't quote the > setlist to you, but they opened with Born To Go and did Silver Machine, > Master of the Universe, Brainstorm, ..... There was some acoustic type > number that Thomas Crimble did vocals on, that really chugged along and was > excellent. > > View from the crowd was crap (we were by the mixing desk), but up at the > cafe area you could look directly down on the stage and see the mysterious > head bobbing about at the back that was Adrian Shaw and get a superb view of > Terry doing the biz. > > All in all a very laid back night, with some really good jam type versions > of golden oldies. Looking forward to the next one .... > > Cheers. Rob. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DRider > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:08 AM > Subject: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight > > > > Hey Now! > > > > Could someone please send us a review of this event when you come down > from > > your Brainstorm??? > > > > Remember The Future, > > > > D > > > > > > -- > > Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? > > To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at y... > > You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. > > -- > > If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another > > solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail > > to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at y... > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > neo-quark-unsubscribe at y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 09:45:13 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:45:13 GMT Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:57:39 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on the edge of > time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly wouldn't get any > royalties from ebay sales. In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a healthy secondhand market does add to their income. Basic piracy obviously doesn't unless it serves to bring new buyers into the process. FoFP From Mahkno at AOL.COM Mon Nov 11 14:13:34 2002 From: Mahkno at AOL.COM (Mahkno nestor) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:13:34 EST Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/2002 19:07:18 GMT Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear > that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the > resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a > healthy secondhand market does add to their income. ?????????????????????????????? Err lost me completely there - could you try explaining this point again perhaps from different angle ? Mahkno From gg at NINJANET.COM Mon Nov 11 14:30:10 2002 From: gg at NINJANET.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:30:10 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike wrote: > oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi regular basis really? oh, a big CIAO DAVE FROM ITALY! eheh... ehi, but ... ehmm.. Kris who? bye bye!, gg -- www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Nov 11 15:28:18 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:28:18 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <10142455487.20021111203010@ninjanet.com> Message-ID: Arin can answer the exact relationship btw Dave and Kris better than I but I believe that she is his significant other. I may be mistaken and they may just have a business relationship. Mike ________________________________ I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. -- Jane Austen ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Pierluigi Fumi ::->Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:30 PM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's ::-> ::-> ::->Mike wrote: ::-> ::->> oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi ::->regular basis ::-> ::->really? oh, a big CIAO DAVE FROM ITALY! ::->eheh... ehi, but ... ehmm.. Kris who? ::-> ::->bye bye!, gg ::-> ::-> ::->-- ::->www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine ::->www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online ::-> From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 15:36:08 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:36:08 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Definitely "significant other":) Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Arin can answer the exact relationship btw Dave and Kris better than I but I > believe that she is his significant other. > > I may be mistaken and they may just have a business relationship. > > Mike > > ________________________________ > I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking > them. > > -- Jane Austen > > > > ::->-----Original Message----- > ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::->Behalf Of Pierluigi Fumi > ::->Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:30 PM > ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::->Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > ::-> > ::-> > ::->Mike wrote: > ::-> > ::->> oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi > ::->regular basis > ::-> > ::->really? oh, a big CIAO DAVE FROM ITALY! > ::->eheh... ehi, but ... ehmm.. Kris who? > ::-> > ::->bye bye!, gg > ::-> > ::-> > ::->-- > ::->www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > ::->www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online > ::-> > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 11 15:48:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: "I'm an outlaw... I'm a stranger!" Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:47:38 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >On 9 Nov 2002, at 18:39, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > >> The Dictators... all bow down!!! >> > Rumor has it the Dictators, > for ill or good, are back together? That is the truth! I saw them a few months ago, and they thoroughly rocked. The most recent album ('D.F.F.D', I think?) has just as many classic songs ("Who Will Save Rock And Roll?", "I Am Right", etc.) as any of the first three. Don't miss them if they come to your town! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Mon Nov 11 17:49:27 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:49:27 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: <005901c2899b$2d36d6a0$d2cb223f@studio> Message-ID: Greetings Not unreasonably I find myself sympathizing with both camps on this issue. On the one hand Hawkfans want access to the music and on the other hand no-one (hopefully) wants to rip off Hawkwind. So a compromise could be that if you manage to get hold of MP3ed versions of material that is not currently available by any other reasonable means then send a donation to Hawkwind stating that it is a contribution to the legal defence procedings currently underway. Two or three quid for an MP3ed album seems reasonable to me. And make a mental note to buy the cd's as and when they are re-released. By doing this, those that care (Hawkfans and Hawkwind) win and those that don't care get sent a simple message - stop fucking about and give us what we want or we'll take it anyway. It may not be entirely legal but it's entirely moral which is a lot more important. Horse On 12 Nov 2002 at 2:28, Michael Blackman wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical > wrote: > > => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on > all > > => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > => year after it was released. > > => > > => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD > without > > => having to transfer them myself! > > > > You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking > > of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why > > don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a > > backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave > > himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, > > based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very > > helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 17:51:35 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:51:35 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical" > > I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all > the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > year after it was released. Gema Records Mail Order - PO Box 54, Reading, Berkshire, England. Fax No. 01635 873019 email: gema at gemarecs.demon.co.uk The last list I received is now admittedly a few months out of date but it included: Robert Calvert: Captain Lockheed, Freq (2 extra tracks - Import), Freq revisited, Hype, Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, Lucky Leif & the Longships, Revenge, Test Tube Conceived. All CDs brand new and unplayed. I'm quite sure that the more interest there is in a band or artist the more effort Gema make to find and stock albums that may have been deleted but are still available if you know where to look. This interest can only be good publicity for the band and the more of it the better! And have you asked CD Services - 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, DD3 6EW Tel: 01382 776595 Fax: 01382 736 702 email: CDser at aol.com or Andy G. agcdser at aol.com Collecting Hawkwind has never been easy but half the fun of looking is the chance to spread the word and anyhow, I've found you get in touch with some really interesting people while looking. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Nov 11 18:14:05 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:14:05 -0600 Subject: HW: tour info (re: upcoming airport strikes) Message-ID: Hi folks, For those of us coming in from overseas, be aware that the airports will be closed on: 28 November 2 December 10 December 15 December 23 December 2 January (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2439919.stm) Thanks, Arin (and thanks, Rich.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 11 18:52:49 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:52:49 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Hi all I like the actual concept of MP3, and think it would be great if we all had the technology to play such formats, that way we could see artists re-releasing all their material on just a few discs. I know that there are many who say MP3 isn't exactly perfect quality-wise, but the format is improving. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Greetings > > Not unreasonably I find myself sympathizing with both camps on this issue. On the one > hand Hawkfans want access to the music and on the other hand no-one (hopefully) > wants to rip off Hawkwind. > > So a compromise could be that if you manage to get hold of MP3ed versions of material > that is not currently available by any other reasonable means then send a donation to > Hawkwind stating that it is a contribution to the legal defence procedings currently > underway. Two or three quid for an MP3ed album seems reasonable to me. And make a > mental note to buy the cd's as and when they are re-released. > > By doing this, those that care (Hawkfans and Hawkwind) win and those that don't care > get sent a simple message - stop fucking about and give us what we want or we'll take it > anyway. > > It may not be entirely legal but it's entirely moral which is a lot more important. > > Horse > > > > On 12 Nov 2002 at 2:28, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical > > wrote: > > > => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on > > all > > > => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > > => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > > => year after it was released. > > > => > > > => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD > > without > > > => having to transfer them myself! > > > > > > You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking > > > of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why > > > don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a > > > backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave > > > himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, > > > based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very > > > helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. > > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 11 18:56:03 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:56:03 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Me again Todd Rundgren has a site set up where (for a small yearly fee) you can download various audio & video material. Why don't the band not set up something similar? They could put all the material on there that gets constantly re-released, such as Text of Festival. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Greetings > > Not unreasonably I find myself sympathizing with both camps on this issue. On the one > hand Hawkfans want access to the music and on the other hand no-one (hopefully) > wants to rip off Hawkwind. > > So a compromise could be that if you manage to get hold of MP3ed versions of material > that is not currently available by any other reasonable means then send a donation to > Hawkwind stating that it is a contribution to the legal defence procedings currently > underway. Two or three quid for an MP3ed album seems reasonable to me. And make a > mental note to buy the cd's as and when they are re-released. > > By doing this, those that care (Hawkfans and Hawkwind) win and those that don't care > get sent a simple message - stop fucking about and give us what we want or we'll take it > anyway. > > It may not be entirely legal but it's entirely moral which is a lot more important. > > Horse > > > > On 12 Nov 2002 at 2:28, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical > > wrote: > > > => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on > > all > > > => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > > => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > > => year after it was released. > > > => > > > => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD > > without > > > => having to transfer them myself! > > > > > > You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking > > > of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why > > > don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a > > > backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave > > > himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, > > > based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very > > > helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 21:50:32 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:32 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Hi Mike, I agree 100% on the piracy issue. Piracy for profit bleeds the music scene. But samples for those who are curious (friends ) gives opportunity for very realistic future sale potential. I have been surprised on several occasions lately, while wearing my Hawkwind badges, by people who were fans in the 70's or 80's etc and didn't realise that Hawkwind were still going strong. I have been able, on those occasions, to direct them to the best import music shops in Adelaide. The new massuer at this clinic told me about his Hawkwind experiences in the 70's.... Space Ritual etc and I was able to tell him about the cool stuff available from the 80's to present - The Hawkestra etc and that the Band is planning on returning to Australia again. Hawkwind has a new fan in Canada as well as several in Australia. My bass player and drummer are also coming around to really enjoy playing songs like Assault & Battery/Golden Void - Angels of Death - Magnu - Levitation - Psi Power. But a lack of a dedicated synth player is our problem. Back to the Sitar ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Michael Blackman writes: > > > True. It sucks balls. But where else can anyone get Warrior on the edge of > > time or ASAM and several others. Hawkwind certainly wouldn't get any > > royalties from ebay sales. > > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear > that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the > resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a > healthy secondhand market does add to their income. Basic piracy > obviously doesn't unless it serves to bring new buyers into the process. > > FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 21:56:46 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:26:46 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: I hope APRA never find out about the CD's ( nay, not the Hawkwind cd's - ok one but I must've been mad at the time.) I have sold in the past. I hear they have a dude who just loves to break fingers and knee caps with a hammer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mahkno nestor To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > In a message dated 11/11/2002 19:07:18 GMT Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear > > that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the > > resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a > > healthy secondhand market does add to their income. > > ?????????????????????????????? > Err lost me completely there - could you try explaining this point again > perhaps from different angle ? > > Mahkno From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 21:59:19 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:29:19 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Dave's lovely lady. Wicked fire breather. :-) You would no doubt have seen her in videos. Its a real treat to watch from the front row. Would you like a picture? Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierluigi Fumi To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Mike wrote: > > > oh yea lets post on a list that Kris and Dave read on a semi regular basis > > really? oh, a big CIAO DAVE FROM ITALY! > eheh... ehi, but ... ehmm.. Kris who? > > bye bye!, gg > > > -- > www.shapeless.it - italian metal webzine > www.iammol.com - it.arti.musica.metal online From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 22:04:56 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:34:56 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: I would like to see Dave Brock in total control of the rights to all publishing and distribution so perhaps they can put out re-issues of this fabulous music either thru the passport club or however he sees fit. I can think of no other who would do the job better. (and this is only my opinion based on the facts I have thanks to this very cool mailing list and a bit of personal reading) ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Greetings > > Not unreasonably I find myself sympathizing with both camps on this issue. On the one > hand Hawkfans want access to the music and on the other hand no-one (hopefully) > wants to rip off Hawkwind. > > So a compromise could be that if you manage to get hold of MP3ed versions of material > that is not currently available by any other reasonable means then send a donation to > Hawkwind stating that it is a contribution to the legal defence procedings currently > underway. Two or three quid for an MP3ed album seems reasonable to me. And make a > mental note to buy the cd's as and when they are re-released. > > By doing this, those that care (Hawkfans and Hawkwind) win and those that don't care > get sent a simple message - stop fucking about and give us what we want or we'll take it > anyway. > > It may not be entirely legal but it's entirely moral which is a lot more important. > > Horse > > > > On 12 Nov 2002 at 2:28, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 04:04:01AM -0500, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical > > wrote: > > > => Stop being such a self righteous prat. I've spent hundreds of ?'s on > > all > > > => the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > > => find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > > => year after it was released. > > > => > > > => I do not want to make money, simply expand my collection onto CD > > without > > > => having to transfer them myself! > > > > > > You said in your inaugural e-mail to this list that you were thinking > > > of attending the upcoming tour. So, I have a suggestion for you. Why > > > don't you e-mail or write to Mission Control and ask them for a > > > backstage pass, explaining your situation. That way, you can ask Dave > > > himself where you might get ahold of MPEGs of his back catalogue, > > > based on what you already have to trade and give away. Dave is very > > > helpful, and I'm sure he'd be glad to discuss this with you. > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 22:15:59 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:45:59 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Regarding the email address to gemma for the Rob Calvert cd's......that email address would not work twice.... heres the message.. This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why each recipient was rejected. Recipient: Reason: (BHST) Unknown host/domain name in "gema at gemarecs.demon.co.uk" Please reply to Postmaster at mail.mel.aone.net.au if you feel this message to be in error. Please include the complete text of this error message, and any attachments, in your reply as they are essential to correctly identify the problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical" > > > > > > I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all > > the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > year after it was released. > > Gema Records Mail Order - PO Box 54, Reading, Berkshire, England. Fax > No. 01635 873019 email: gema at gemarecs.demon.co.uk > The last list I received is now admittedly a few months out of date but > it included: > Robert Calvert: Captain Lockheed, Freq (2 extra tracks - Import), Freq > revisited, Hype, Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, Lucky Leif & the > Longships, Revenge, Test Tube Conceived. All CDs brand new and > unplayed. > > I'm quite sure that the more interest there is in a band or artist the > more effort Gema make to find and stock albums that may have been > deleted but are still available if you know where to look. This > interest can only be good publicity for the band and the more of it the > better! And have you asked CD Services - 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, > Dundee, DD3 6EW Tel: 01382 776595 Fax: 01382 736 702 email: > CDser at aol.com or Andy G. agcdser at aol.com > > Collecting Hawkwind has never been easy but half the fun of looking is > the chance to spread the word and anyhow, I've found you get in touch > with some really interesting people while looking. > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Mon Nov 11 22:40:55 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:40:55 +1300 Subject: Robert Calvert CDs Message-ID: The following Robert Calvert CDs are available from http://www.djangomusic.com (just enter 'Robert Calvert' in the Search box on the Home page, then click on the resultant link). The trading currency is American dollars, international credit cards are accepted, and the good news is that orders of $25 or more are shipped free anywhere in the world. I've been using this supplier for over two years and the service is excellent; on the one occasion when I received faulty stock they refunded my money immediately without question. Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters CD (used) our price $9.99 CD (new) retail $16.98 our price $13.58 (in stock) Freq Revisited 2001 CD (used) our price $8.99 CD (new) retail $14.98 our price $11.98 (in stock) Live At The Queen Elizabeth Hall 2002 CD (used) our price $9.99 CD (new) retail $16.98 our price $13.58 (backordered) Lucky Leif & the Longships CD(used) our price $9.99 CD (new) retail $16.98 our price $13.58 (in stock) Test Tube Conceived CD (used) our price $9.99 CD (new) retail $17.98 our price $14.38 (backordered) David Howard From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Nov 11 21:07:25 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:07:25 -0400 Subject: OEB pics from 'The Landing Pad', University of Pennsylvania; 11/9/02 Message-ID: Hi friends..There a about 5 new pics up on the OEBs site. These are all from the Philadelphia event which was organized by Doug McMahon & Bob Lennon of Scattered Planets. Thanks once again. If you want to see the pix, click on 'Extra Artwork' at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Peace, Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 06:18:55 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:18:55 GMT Subject: Hawkwind MP3's In-Reply-To: Mahkno nestor's message of Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:13:34 EST Message-ID: Mahkno nestor writes: > In a message dated 11/11/2002 19:07:18 GMT Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > > In the strict sense that's true. However on deeper analysis it's clear > > that as with cars, part of the sale value of CD's takes account of the > > resale value. Therefore if the band are on a percentage royalty then a > > healthy secondhand market does add to their income. > > ?????????????????????????????? > Err lost me completely there - could you try explaining this point again > perhaps from different angle ? When you buy a car, you pay price X at the garage knowing that after Y years you'll get roughly price Z for it. So you make a calculation that you'll pay X-Z Pounds for ownership of the car for Y years. When Z goes down then folks are willing to pay less X for the car because they have in their head an idea of how much per year they're willing to pay for the imputed rent of the car. The same is true for anything else with a resale value, including CDs. So if the secondhand price of CDs falls, then at the margin, people are less willing to pay as high a full price for them. Proving that with CDs would take quite a lot of work, but it's a pretty established economic principle and unlike many such things, it matches up to common sense and experience. FoFP From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 12 08:11:15 2002 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (M&J Storer) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:11:15 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind MP3's Message-ID: Try this address gema at gemarecords.co.uk Or even better, this link http://www.gemarecords.com/search.asp?page=%201&BrowseChar=&zone=Artist&quer ytext=Hawkwind&Location=INLAND&Format=all&QueryType=Search Good luck looking Mark S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > Regarding the email address to gemma for the Rob Calvert cd's......that > email address would not work twice.... heres the message.. > > > This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > > Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. > The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why > each recipient was rejected. > > Recipient: > Reason: (BHST) Unknown host/domain name in > "gema at gemarecs.demon.co.uk" > > > Please reply to Postmaster at mail.mel.aone.net.au > if you feel this message to be in error. > > Please include the complete text of this error message, and any > attachments, in your reply as they are essential to correctly identify > the problem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jill Strobridge > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind MP3's > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical" > > > > > > > > > > I've spent hundreds of ?'s on all > > > the original recordings on vinyl over the years. Tell me where you can > > > find any Bob Calvert album, christ you couldn't even get it on vinyl a > > > year after it was released. > > > > Gema Records Mail Order - PO Box 54, Reading, Berkshire, England. Fax > > No. 01635 873019 email: gema at gemarecs.demon.co.uk > > The last list I received is now admittedly a few months out of date but > > it included: > > Robert Calvert: Captain Lockheed, Freq (2 extra tracks - Import), Freq > > revisited, Hype, Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, Lucky Leif & the > > Longships, Revenge, Test Tube Conceived. All CDs brand new and > > unplayed. > > > > I'm quite sure that the more interest there is in a band or artist the > > more effort Gema make to find and stock albums that may have been > > deleted but are still available if you know where to look. This > > interest can only be good publicity for the band and the more of it the > > better! And have you asked CD Services - 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, > > Dundee, DD3 6EW Tel: 01382 776595 Fax: 01382 736 702 email: > > CDser at aol.com or Andy G. agcdser at aol.com > > > > Collecting Hawkwind has never been easy but half the fun of looking is > > the chance to spread the word and anyhow, I've found you get in touch > > with some really interesting people while looking. > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 09:45:48 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:45:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas Tour Detail Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:46:06 -0000, Brian wrote: >Evening All > As well as these dates I have received my tickets from Ticket >master for the Hawkwind on Saturday 7th Dec at Preston Marquee I do hope >this is the proper HW it does seem to fit in with the tour schedule do >far. >Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of Rik Rx >Sent: 29 October 2002 10:53 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Xmas Tour Detail > > >+ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + > >FULL details of the Official Hawkwind Xmas Tour Dates >are now on Mission Control >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/x2002/info.htm > >As ever, please disregard any information from unofficial sources. > >www.hawkwind.org.uk >www.hawkwind.com >www.hawkwind.info >www.hawkwind.biz > >+ + MESSAGE ENDS + Did you ever get the tickets for Preston? I cannot find the date on the tour schedule anywhere. Has it been cancelled as there is a gap for the saturday. From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 14:14:57 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:14:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Xmas Tour Detail In-Reply-To: <200211121445.JAA20534@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Evening I have tickets 401 and 402 but I am now starting to wonder if they are valueless I keep hoping the date will be announced. Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical Sent: 12 November 2002 02:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Xmas Tour Detail On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:46:06 -0000, Brian wrote: >Evening All > As well as these dates I have received my tickets from >Ticket master for the Hawkwind on Saturday 7th Dec at Preston Marquee I >do hope this is the proper HW it does seem to fit in with the tour >schedule do far. Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of Rik Rx >Sent: 29 October 2002 10:53 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Xmas Tour Detail > > >+ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + > >FULL details of the Official Hawkwind Xmas Tour Dates >are now on Mission Control >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/x2002/info.htm > >As ever, please disregard any information from unofficial sources. > >www.hawkwind.org.uk >www.hawkwind.com >www.hawkwind.info >www.hawkwind.biz > >+ + MESSAGE ENDS + Did you ever get the tickets for Preston? I cannot find the date on the tour schedule anywhere. Has it been cancelled as there is a gap for the saturday. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 12 16:43:17 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:43:17 -0500 Subject: HW: yet another great band gets compared to Hawkwind Message-ID: >From the San Francisco Bay Guardian 'Noise' supplement, 6nov02, http://www.sfbg.com/noise/06-02/savage.html "I FIRST DISCOVERED Savage Republic in the late 1980s, around the time they were breaking up," recounts Neurosis guitarist-vocalist Steve Von Till, one of the main organizers of the "Beyond the Pale" festival. "The music was really mind-blowing at the time. It was melodic, but there was something primal about it. It kind of did for me what a band like Hawkwind did musically. It just rhythmically pounded this kind of psychedelic, freedom- inspiring sound." I've been waiting 15 years for the opportunity to see Savage Republic (a band who heavily influenced the Butthole Surfers and Crash Worship, among others), so it looks like I'm going to have to miss the Legendary Pink Dots this friday night (although the two shows are taking palce on the same block, just a couple doors down from each other!). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 17:00:35 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:00:35 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: massive, obsessed since 1988 *how many CD's: about 120 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes *why a Hawkwind fan: their longevity, punk, psychedelia and heavy metal fused into spacerock *First album you picked up: Chronicle of The Black Sword, 1988 *Seen live how many times: twice, in 1991 and 1995 *Nik or Dave: Dave Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 12 18:27:03 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:27:03 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <20021112220035.36528.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ::a little Hawkwind poll: :: :: ::*Hawkwind fan: Huge - Since 1979. NYState Plates say HWKWND :: ::*how many CD's: about 100+ :: ::*collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: How do you think I got to 100+ :: ::*why a Hawkwind fan: Huge SF fan. Huge Space Fan. Huge Rock fan. Put them together= HAWKWIND :: ::*First album you picked up: Hawklords & QSC at the same time. :: ::*Seen live how many times: Once.. Yea I'm a Yank. :: ::*Nik or Dave: Dave :: ::Mike M. :: :: ::__________________________________________________ ::Do You Yahoo!? ::Everything you'll ever need on one web page ::from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts ::http://uk.my.yahoo.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 18:46:33 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:46:33 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: all encompassing except for the early 1980s when I got fed up with Nik *how many CD's: 300+ *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes, hence 300+CDs *why a Hawkwind fan: Originally because of Bob Calvert, then the music grew on me *First album you picked up: Hawklords LP 1978 *Seen live how many times: 100+ *Nik or Dave: Silly question! From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 12 19:29:28 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:29:28 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: >*Hawkwind fan: Since autumn 1984. >*how many CD's: Something in the area of slightly over 50 CD's. Plus a roughly equal number of 12" vinyl albums/EP's, about a dozen 7" singles, and one 10"EP (I believe the *only* Hawkwind 10"). This doesn't include any of the solo/related stuff. Nor tapes/CD-R's (see next question!). >*collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Oh yeah! Mostly 1970-78 (the "classic" years), 1982-84 (with Nik), 1989-90 (with Simon and/or Bridget), 1995-1999 (with Ron), 2000-present (with Simon). Some 20-30 shows in my collection, I think. >*why a Hawkwind fan: Heard "Psychedelic Warlords" on the radio late one night and never looked back. Very few others have done such a good job of combining driving high- energy rock and spaced electronics. >*First album you picked up: 'Space Ritual', 'Roadhawks' and 'Live 79', all on the same day. >*Seen live how many times: Dave's - 7 times (2x'89, 2x'90, 1x'95, 2x'97) Nik's - 7 times (2x'94, 1x'95, 2x'97, 1x'99, 1x'00) Rizz's - once (SD98) >*Nik or Dave BOTH! I like beer AND pizza, peanut butter AND jelly, raw fish AND rice/ginger/wasabi, oil AND vinegar, chocolate AND vanilla, yin AND yang, etc. etc. etc. I like viewing things with both eyes and listening with both ears. Nik's performances are much more interesting and appealing when there's someone (like a Trev Thoms or Tommy Grenas, in Dave's absence) to make him rehearse and keep his jamming in line, so that Nik can concentrate on being the wildly-compelling frontman; Dave's performances are much more interesting and appealing when there's someone else in the band (like a Bob Calvert or Ron Tree, in Nik's absence) going off and getting crazy and jamming and saying wacky things, so that Dave can concentrate on being the bandleader keeping things together. Their strengths complement one another, which is a good part of what made Hawkwind such a great band in the first place. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Tue Nov 12 19:29:27 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:29:27 +0300 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > a little Hawkwind poll: > *Hawkwind fan: since 95 > *how many CD's: 150+ of HW and related > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: live recordings and some memorabilia > *why a Hawkwind fan: Originally because of Moorcock. Then the music grew on me. > *First album you picked up: Live Chronicles dbl cd set by Griffin with Moorcock book inside. > *Seen live how many times: none > *Nik or Dave: Dave. From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Nov 12 20:03:44 2002 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:03:44 -0500 Subject: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: A fan since 1981. Tom Clark, another list member, turned me onto HW while on an archaeological dig!!! Can anyone else say that??! *how many CD's: approx. 75-80 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes! Programs, magazines,fanzines, videos etc... *why a Hawkwind fan: They are a totally unique and original band. The best...... *First album you picked up: RoadHawks and Hall of the Mountain Grill (Same day) *Seen live how many times: 3 (HW) and 4(Nik and crew) *Nik or Dave: Both. I completely ditto Doug Pearson's comments. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Nov 12 20:24:47 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:24:47 -0600 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: *Hawkwind fan: Since 1978 after listening to Space Ritual and Spirit of the Age. One listen, and I was hooked. *how many CD's: most studio CD's - some offshoots, Calvert, Simon House, Adrain Shaw, Turner.. - about 20 CD's and about 20 lp's. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: a few, but definitely not "Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. At risk of blasphemy, I used it as a frisbee because the sound quality hurt my ears, and was the first album I heard that pissed me off. I try to stay away from the compilations that include the same material that I already have or is of poor quality. *why a Hawkwind fan: They made it for people who get high, and it still sounds great while not. Great music to drive by. *First album you picked up: Hawklords 1982 *Seen live how many times: twice, in 1989 in Long Beach and Hawkestra. *Nik or Dave: Both. I do not involve myself in personal disputes. From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Tue Nov 12 20:29:36 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:29:36 -0600 Subject: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > a little Hawkwind poll: > > > *Hawkwind fan: since about 1981 or 1982 (got my first taste of Hawkwind while I was in Grade 9, age 14) > > *how many CD's: about 125 if you count Hawkwind only, but easily 200 if you count all the Friends and Relations. And if you count Motorhead, then add another 80. Grand Total would be about 280 of Hawkwind, Motorhead, and related. > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes - live stuff, tour books, dvds, posters, etc... I guess if you're going to count live recordings (on cdr), then you'd have to add at least another 50-60 discs to the grand total above. > > *why a Hawkwind fan: I was originally a Motorhead diehard, and was curious to how Lemmy sounded in the early days. Now, though, Hawkwind is probably more my main concern than Motorhead, mostly because they are so unique, and because they mix all the best elements of music together - heavy stuff, spacey stuff, fast stuff, slow cerebral stuff, etc. Also interesting to note that back in Grade 7 I was a diehard Michael Moorcock reader, devouring all the Elric books, Corum books, etc at the age of about 11 to 12. I had no idea that he had any connection to music, and was thrilled to see how all of my various interests at all stages of my life have led to Hawkwind, even though I didn't know it at the time. > > *First album you picked up: cassette version of the UA compilation "Masters of the Universe", and then had my brain expanded on the first listen! "Brainstorm", "Orgone Accumulator", and "Master of the Universe" were played as loud as possible for the next few months. Couldn't find any more Hawkwind for about 2 years, and then only "Live Chronicles" on cassette. That was it for the next 4 years until I ran into Jeff Swick while in Saskatoon for University. Jeff is my mentor! > > *Seen live how many times: 0 (HW) and 0 (Nik and crew) - Sorry, guys, but I'm stuck in one of the more remote and unpopulated areas of Canada. > > *Nik or Dave: Dave is my Hawkwind. Nik is cool, though, and I collect his stuff, but it's not to be confused with Hawkwind any more than Robert Calvert's solo stuff would be. Bryan Young From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Nov 12 20:35:37 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:35:37 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <00c401c28aa5$bb9f2040$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since first seeing them in 1971 at the Greyhound in Croydon *how many CD's: 50 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: nope. *why a Hawkwind fan: 'Cos the music's superb and they're the trippiest motherf***ers around - ever! *First album you picked up: Hawkwind (early 1972 - I think. Could've been late '71) *Seen live how many times: God knows. More times than I can remember - literally. *Nik or Dave: Now let me see..... er..hmm.. er Dave (dumb question :) ) Horse From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Nov 12 21:53:49 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:53:49 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: go to cellsum.com. do not pass go. Message-ID: Brain Surgeons news!!! http://www.cellsum.com/news.htm You'll be glad you can read. Jason From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Tue Nov 12 22:06:28 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:06:28 -0700 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since about 1983. *how many CDs: about 40 *how many LPs: about 50 to 60 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes, a couple shirts, posters, and a Space Ritual pin. *why a Hawkwind fan: I was a big Michael Moorcock fan, and I learned from a friend that he had worked with a couple rock bands, one of which was Hawkwind. So, I went to Independent Records downtown, looked under "Hawkwind", and discovered _Sonic Attack_. I didn't like it the first time I listened to it, thought it was okay on the second listen, and loved it on the third. I didn't encounter any other fans until I joined BOC-L in '92. *First album you picked up: Sonic Attack *Seen live how many times: once, in 1995 *Nik or Dave: Dave From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 13 00:12:28 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:12:28 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Good thread :-) *Hawkwind fan: since 1975 *how many CD's: 85 *vinyl albums: 25 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Collect, no. Hang on to those that cross my path, yes. *why a Hawkwind fan: the power and the beauty *First album you picked up: Roadhawks *Seen live how many times: 14 not out *Nik or Dave: Dave (unless you meant Anderson, then I'd take Nik) Steve From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Wed Nov 13 00:54:31 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:54:31 +1300 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: I've been a Hawkwind fan since 1975, when I first heard 'In Search of Space'. The songs that intrigued me then were the more musically conservative: 'You Know You're Only Dreaming', 'We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago' and the anthemic 'Masters of the Universe'. After listening to Steve Reich, Pierre Boulez, Olivier Messiaen and (even) Soft Machine I could hardly regard 'You Shouldn't Do That' as stimulating beyond the opening bars. 27 years later my favourite releases are the aggressive 'Doremi Fasol Latido', the understated (and under-rated) 'Palace Springs', and the live recording from the Cambridge Corn Exchange, 1972 released as half of 'Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind: Volume One'. Naturally I admire the original 'Space Ritual' but admit that I rarely play it these days. I'm not a collector (of anything) so I don't own that many recordings - 5 LPs and a further 11 CDs from Hawkwind, with a further 1 LP and 4 CD reissues of Robert Calvert, who is my favourite solo member for his ability to develop a theme over the length of an album without inducing boredom. I also have 3 CDs from the irrepressible Nik Turner, who is at his best when counterpointing a strong rhythm section (as he did brilliantly in early Hawkwind). Based in New Zealand, I've never seen Hawkwind, or Nik Turner, or the late Robert Calvert perform. And, no, I won't choose between Dave Brock and Nik Turner; while I prefer Hawkwind's recent releases to Nik's I still have a high regard for the latter's capacity to push other musicians into unfamiliar territory. I view the recent dispute as I might a sustained squabble between two of my friends: I'll listen to both without denying the value of either. David Howard From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Nov 13 05:18:48 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:18:48 -0000 Subject: Cosmic Overdrive Message-ID: Received this 'Priority Information' leaflet from Key Mail Order selling the above named triple CD containing Brixton Sundown 3oth December 1972 (presumably previously released as Space Ritual 2), Cambridge 1971 (Text of Festival) and Wembley Empire 1973 (the dreadfull Uru Gagarin)? Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Eddie. From micci at SCI.FI Wed Nov 13 06:03:40 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:03:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acid Mother Temple Message-ID: Hi! Acid Mothers Temple was here last night. Absolutely great band! Magnificent. If you have chance to see them, go for it! New album call St. Captain Freak Out And The Magic Bamboo Reguest (Ektro- 015) is out now! Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 07:24:56 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:24:56 +1100 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since about 1975. *how many CDs: about 30 + 2 DVD's - Favourite Album: Hall of the Mountain Grill *how many LPs: about 45 + a couple of Robert Calvert's *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: short answer, no, but if it comes my way.... *why a Hawkwind fan: At one point in my life, I was a bit of a Dopehead & there is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING in the world that even comes close to listening to Hawkwind while off your face. *First album you picked up: Roadhawks *Seen live how many times: once, 24th February, 2000 - 25 years on! - longest 25 years of my life (a terrible by product of being on the other side of the world) *Nik or Dave: Dave is a longtime favourite but I will not dis Nick - both have contributed greatly to my various highs. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au From micci at SCI.FI Wed Nov 13 07:39:11 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:39:11 +0200 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <005301c28b0f$aeec7ea0$be02a6cb@default> Message-ID: >a little Hawkwind poll: > >*Hawkwind fan: about 1989 > >*how many CDs: about 60 > >*how many LPs: about +150 + solo albums > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes. > > *why a Hawkwind fan: it?s my purpose in my life > *First album you picked up: Master of the universe > > *Seen live how many times: Never :-( Nik coule of times > *Nik or Dave: Personally Dave. As a FinnWind captain I don?t say anything Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 07:59:08 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:59:08 -0500 Subject: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: A fan since i was 9 ( i am now 30), my dad got me into them. *how many CD's: approx. haven't counted but well over 60 i should say *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes over 100 live recordings of hawkwind and related stuff *why a Hawkwind fan: Cos they are the best and only decent prog/space rock whatever you want to call it band out there! *First album you picked up: Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Surely the best Hawkwind Album of all time?) *Seen live how many times: About 10 times i think, some of the gigs are abit of a blur, first was in the early nineties as a three piece at an allnighter at brixton and last time was at the hawkfest this summer *Nik or Dave: I don't really care to be honest but if i had to say someone it would be Robert Calvert. From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Wed Nov 13 09:29:34 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:29:34 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > >a little Hawkwind poll: > > > >*Hawkwind fan: about 1974 > > > >*how many CDs: 70+ last count > > > >*how many LPs: 1 > > > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes. > > > > *why a Hawkwind fan: why not?? > > > *First album you picked up: import(to USA)original Space Ritual Alive (never heard of the band,loved the cover...then loved the band) > > > > *Seen live how many times: Never...always in the wrong place at the wrong time(USA) > > *Nik or Dave: Dave ps:picked up a copy of Calvert's `Revenge' cd for $5 sealed while browsing this weekend...also an interesting CD called 2001 a space rock odyssey-compilation double cd w/colosseum,man hawkwind,deviants,atomic rooster,mick farren and others tim 8>)... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 09:32:32 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:32:32 GMT Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: Allan Sharpe's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:24:56 +1100 Message-ID: Allan Sharpe writes: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since 1975. *how many CDs: 300+ (basically everything except some repeats of Dave Anderson complations) *how many LPs: All of them, many in multiple copies due to different formats or sleeves. All related stuff by Brock, Calvert, Blake. Lots of Turner and Davey stuff. Some stuff of almost all the others. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Programmes, t-shirts, videos, live tapes etc. *why a Hawkwind fan: Listening to Uni roommates tapes while reading Moorcock. Got into the Moorcock/SF connection and loved the music. *First album you picked up: Warrior on the Edge of Time *Seen live how many times: Dunno but it's gotta be close to 100 times. *Nik or Dave: If pushed, Dave, but I like Nik and I really wish he didn't have this streak in him that means he just has to mix it with Dave. *Additional Info: I'm an Urban Gorilla. From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 13 09:46:04 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:46:04 -0500 Subject: Cosmic Overdrive Message-ID: That's exactly what it is. See http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:18:48 -0000, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Received this 'Priority Information' leaflet from Key Mail Order selling the >above named triple CD containing Brixton Sundown 3oth December 1972 >(presumably previously released as Space Ritual 2), Cambridge 1971 (Text of >Festival) and Wembley Empire 1973 (the dreadfull Uru Gagarin)? Can anyone >confirm? > >Thanks, > >Eddie. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 13 11:39:12 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:39:12 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <200211131432.OAA29491@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Allan Sharpe writes: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since 1994 *how many CDs: 10 *how many LPs: 1 (Warrior) *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: No, I'm picky about what HW I decide to spend money on, relying on the opinions I read on BOC-L. *why a Hawkwind fan: BOC-L. I came here a BOC fan and had never heard of Hawkwind at the time. *First album you picked up: Hall Of the Mountain Grill *Seen live how many times: Zero (sigh) *Nik or Dave: In a musical sense (the only one I really care about), Dave because he has a much better voice and plays a mean axe. *Additional Info: Love the 3CD EpochEclipse set. Especially disk 2. From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 11:45:06 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:45:06 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: Since 1979/1980 *how many CDs: 70+ HW plus related stuff of course *how many LPs: 30+ *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: A few live tapes, books, fanzines etc. Thinks I can read or hear basically, although not a collector as such I suppose. I collect official tracks and versions of tracks, but not every issue of same tracks (no comps, only one Yuri etc) *why a Hawkwind fan: long story short: Was lent a tape of something (Zep/Van Halen I think) and left it running when I fell asleep. Woke up to these weird noises coming from something that was recorded on the tape and hadn`t been blanked when it was re-used. Asked owner what it was following day. They had no idea. Great. Some months later while listening to Tommy Vance`s Friday Rock Show this incredible sound came blasting out and was pronounced as being by some band called Hawkwind(Assault and Battery). Went out next day and bought Live `79. Hooked. *First album you picked up: Live `79 *Seen live how many times: 30-40 Never really counted. *Nik or Dave: Dave. No question. *Additional Info: BDS rule!!! opps, wrong list... Si The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 13 11:46:16 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:46:16 -0500 Subject: HW: The Final Programme Message-ID: Hi The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the female lead... If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? Steve From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Nov 13 11:48:36 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:48:36 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN:(was how long, how many, and why by Si) Message-ID: o question. > > *Additional Info: BDS rule!!! > opps, wrong list... Not quite, since Joe is kinda important, BOC, tBS wise. :) > > Si Would you care to post a review of the show? did they do Fallen Angel? etc. not as good as good old Joe, Jason From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 13 11:48:51 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:48:51 +0100 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <00c401c28aa5$bb9f2040$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: >*Hawkwind fan: Since 1975 > >*how many CD's: about 80 >*collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: YES YES YES >*why a Hawkwind fan: Space music and Science Fiction >*First album you picked up: Live 79 >*Seen live how many times: 30 >*Nik or Dave: Of course Dave !!! cheers Bernhard From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 13 11:53:16 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:53:16 +0000 Subject: HW: The Final Programme Message-ID: Now purchasable on DVD in the USA :-) Rich W > from: Steve Youles > date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:46:16 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: Re: HW: The Final Programme > > Hi > > The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st > Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago > on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the > female lead... > > If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground > and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be > Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess > brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. > > Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? > > Steve From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 11:55:58 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:55:58 -0000 Subject: HW: The Final Programme Message-ID: Subject: HW: The Final Programme > Hi > > The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st > Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago > on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the > female lead... It`s been shown a few times. It`s also out on DVD. Jon Finch as Cornelius, Runacre as Miss Brunner and various other British Character actors here and there. Moorcock dislikes it a great deal I believe. > If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground > and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be > Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess > brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. > > Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? I`ve always been told it is and I`m sure there was something in either Hawkfan or a Moorcock mag about it being HW but they`re too far away to recognise. Si From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Nov 13 11:55:07 2002 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:55:07 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: If this is a repeat sorry, my mailbox is acting weird. a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since Nov 1979 Bristol Colston Hall on the Masters tour with that Lazer & Tim Blake what an introduction to the band, .Evangelical conversions to the Church of Hawkwind take place on a regular basis at our house in Bristol. Will be bringing the congregation to the bristol Academy on 16th Dec. *how many CD's: all official releases on Vinyl multiple times ( diferent sleeves), picture discs, sleeves with hairs (Joke) and many many singles & 12 inches, CD's I have about 30 official releases. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Oh yes, Live shows I've been to plus a couple of choice slabs also posters, badges, tee shirts( my size as I wear them). prized possession a 9 Bob fiver from the 1984 tour ? *why a Hawkwind fan: Cos they are just the best fucking band in the world, When they start to freak out there is nothing and certainly no other band that has such an effect on me and to top it all on a good night there is definately levitation. of body & building. And I love the dance/trance stuff they do and looking forward to this tour to see if its developed even more. *First album you picked up: PXR5 day after the first gig I saw in '79 *Seen live how many times: Ohh , now thats tuff but its between 40 & 50 times *Nik or Dave: hahaha, no competition Dave Brock. I'm not really a Nik fan anymore Nuff said... * dream recording A Dave Brock,Daevid Allen & Richard Chadwick CD iain From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Nov 13 12:18:22 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:18:22 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <18C0hi-1zl6i9C@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: how long, how many, and why *Hawkwind fan: Since 1976 *how many CD's: at least 100 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes, but not as obsessively as before *why a Hawkwind fan: Originally because of psychedelics, then it was just a way of life. Hawkwind have been a major part of my last 26 years *First album you picked up: Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do *Seen live how many times: 17 times between 1989 and 1997 *Nik or Dave: Definitely Dave Brock. Nik's music has mostly been uninteresting to me since he left the band, although there are patches that I like a lot. Seeing him live a couple of times, were truly excellent experiences for me. Chris R. From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 12:31:47 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:31:47 -0000 Subject: BOC/BRAIN:(was how long, how many, and why by Si) Message-ID: Subject: BOC/BRAIN:(was how long, how many, and why by Si) > > *Additional Info: BDS rule!!! > > opps, wrong list... > Not quite, since Joe is kinda important, BOC, tBS wise. :) True. > > Si > Would you care to post a review of the show? did they do Fallen Angel? etc. Would it be right to review the show I co-organised and promoted? Seems a bit dodgy to me! I`m maybe slightly biased! But if you twisted my arm, I`d have to say they were completely stunning. Neal and Dennis`s first time in the UK for 30 years. Over 2 1/2 hours on stage plus over an hour Q&A in the afternoon. First half was BDS material featuring the whole album except Carnival Toy (I think) and closing with their version of Fallen Angel. I love the album but live it was storming! Second half was primetime Alice and BOC with the audience cheering them the whole way. BOC tracks:Reaper, Astronomy, Godzilla. AC tracks Alma Mater (huge singalong), Grand Finale, Caught In A Dream, Under My Wheels, Black JuJu (seriously stellar performance), See You On The Other Side (original track for GB with School`s Out in the middle). Michael Bruce joined them for Halo of Flies and 18. All in all one of the most fantastic performances I`ve ever seen. Yes, I may be biased, but I`ve yet to see a bad report on the Alice lists or direct to me. The main phrase that keeps cropping up is "a dream come true", referring to UK fans seeing Neal and Dennis on stage finally. Joe did a fine job of covering twin guitar(using stereo amps), keyboard and brass parts all on his lonesome on many of the AC tracks and totally shined on Reaper (including the classic middle solo which he nailed), while also covering the bulk of the vocals. He also did an acoustic set in the afternoon featuring Tattoo Vampire, Hot Rails To Hell and Sweet Jane among others while chatting and joking with the crowd. I got to spend a lot of time with the band over the convention and the 4 day run up to it and I have to say that are all really great guys. Very open, friendly and happy to chat about anything at all, making a poor fanboy feel very welcome and at home. Very VERY cool. We also had Joe (Neal and Dennis did a separate bit on their own) on BBC Radio Stoke talking about the early days of BOC/Stalk Forest Group etc as well. It was one of the best few days of my life. Now all we need is to get The Brain Surgeons over on a double bill. Al? Si The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk SickCon1 - Unofficial UK Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk From novadrive at COX.NET Wed Nov 13 11:57:15 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:57:15 -0700 Subject: The Final Programme In-Reply-To: <200211131646.LAA26717@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: It sure looks like them to me. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Steve Youles > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:46 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: The Final Programme > > > Hi > > The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st > Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago > on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the > female lead... > > If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground > and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be > Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess > brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. > > Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? > > Steve > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Nov 13 13:13:36 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:13:36 -0000 Subject: HW: The Final Programme Message-ID: Yes, I believe it was Hawkwind. I remember this discussion in Trev's lists, and he did get to view it eventually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: HW: The Final Programme > Hi > > The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st > Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago > on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the > female lead... > > If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground > and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be > Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess > brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. > > Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? > > Steve From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 13 12:57:30 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:57:30 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Hawkwind fan: Since 1984 cds:12 LPs:50 Videos:3 DVD:2 Tattoos: Hawk on right forearm Why a Hawkwind fan:Stonehenge and free festivals First Album:In Search of Space Seen Live: Well over 50 times 1st time was Stonehenge 1984 Nik or Dave:I like allot of Niks work especially with ICU (The Judge used to do 1 man sessions in a pub I used to run Hi Trev) but as far as Hawkwind and the recent legal action I have to back Dave 100% without him we would have lost Hawkwind many years ago. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Nov 13 13:27:48 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:27:48 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 1972, and hearing Silver Machine on Alan Freeman's Radio 1 afternoon show. *how many Lp's / singles / CD's: Too many to count! *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: I have a lot of gear that used to belong to them, including Dave's guitar and Space Echo, various keyboards etc. Plus some 7" acetates and unreleased stuff. *why a Hawkwind fan: Driving rhythms and swathes of electronic effects with sci-fi overtones. I mean, nothing else sounds quite like it, really. And I've heard a lot of bands in my time. *First album you picked up: In Search Of Space with Logbook. (Doremi was yet to be released at the time). *Seen live how many times: First gig I went to was Wolverhampton Civic Hall in 1979. Quite a few times since. *Nik or Dave: I have never really rated Nik as a musician but he was quite important in terms of the early band in the same way that Lemmy, Simon King, Bob Calvert etc were. Dave, on the other hand, is clearly the core of Hawkwind; he is the sun about which the other attributes revolve like planets. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 13:56:08 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Simone House/Rod Goodway- House of Dreams Message-ID: Just out of interest (oh, and mischief)... is there a typo in the title of this thread or has Simon really become Simone? inquiring minds etc. Nick From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 14:10:27 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:10:27 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: From: "Captain Bl at ck" > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: I have a lot of gear > that used to belong to them, including Dave's guitar and Space Echo, various > keyboards etc. Plus some 7" acetates and unreleased stuff. Captain, Would you mind telling us what unreleased stuff you have by hawkwind, just out of interest of course. Cheers Colm From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 16:03:47 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:03:47 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <200211130029.TAA22882@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: *Hawkwind fan: Since 1980. I was 13, and saw a biker in Fareham shopping centre with Hawkwind painted on the back of his cutoff. "What's Hawkwind?" I asked. "They're a band" he said. "Get into them, you won't regret it". He was right. Heard Master & Lord of Light on the Friday Rock Show and knew I'd found something very special indeed. *how many CD's: Approx 60, 100 if you include solo and satellites. Another 50+ on vinyl, plus more solo etc etc, plus a few vids & 1 solitary DVD *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Not much, got a few tapes, mostly stuff taped off radio sessions. Prefer the offical stuff usually. Mostly collect fanzines, programmes, articles etc - trivia junkie (but you'd spotted that already) *why a Hawkwind fan: Because they're perfect for me. Just the right balance between rock & electronic music, commercial & underground, structured and improvised etc. They keep touring (I don't know how I'd cope if I were, for example, a big Bolan or Zeppelin fan, must be v.frustrating). And they're never, ever dull. There's always something happening. Through HW I discovered Moorcock & New Worlds, Pink Fairies etc etc, and I'm eternally grateful for all that. And my car won't drive unless Valium Ten is playing. *First album you picked up: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music, original comic book inner sleeve. Still like it a lot, even if Dave did chuck it out of the window of his house like a frisbee. Er, his copy, not mine, obviously. *Seen live how many times: 63, first was Southampton Gaumont Sun 25th Oct 1981, Sonic Attack tour. Plus maybe 25 LLG, Calvert, Bedouin, Fantastic AllStars, ICU, Bainbridge etc etc *Nik or Dave: Bilko. Nah, Dave obviously, but isn't it a shame this is even an issue? *List member I'm most envious of: Horse - first saw them 1971. Respect. Great thread! AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 13 16:32:57 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:32:57 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: go to cellsum.com. do not pass go. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021112215349.00697b28@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Hey Al, How about a teaser at your MP3.com site? The original electric version of one of the three acoustic songs would be cool. That way it won't *really* spoil the new album.... Brian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 12:07:07 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:07:07 GMT Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney Message-ID: http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Nov 13 16:45:15 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: go to cellsum.com. do not pass go. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 04:32 PM 11/13/02 -0500, you wrote: >How about a teaser at your MP3.com site? The original electric version of >one of the three acoustic songs would be cool. That way it won't *really* >spoil the new album.... I second that emotion. hehe. Twould be like the reverse of pull the plug: "the surgeons plug in" or this one: like the old stones greatest hits LP: "Through the Wah, Darkly." heh. Jason PS: nice review of the AC shindig, Si. Sounds like it was a heap o' big fun! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 13 16:52:52 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:52:52 -0500 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney In-Reply-To: <200211131707.RAA11755@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:07:07PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: => http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html Whereas I have to grudgingly admit that anything that makes it harder for people to own J.Lo CDs can't be all bad, I have to wonder how some cherished opera favourites will slip past the yardstick of "themes such as violence, drug use, murder and suicide..." >;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Nov 13 16:57:52 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:57:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: wayne kramer on the state of the 'union' Message-ID: given the discusssion on the list about which wind is Hawkwind, the Oysterness of 3oc and all such things, read: http://www.waynekramer.com/report.shtml Interesting things from a bad mofo. j From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 13 17:01:38 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:01:38 +0800 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 1976, after hearing In Search of Space blasting out on the deck of a prawning boat I used to work on. Hawkwind have been my life since then. *how many Lp's / singles / CD's: Lots! Double ups in LP and CD. Still searching for a few on CD plus all The Weird Tapes. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Oooooh yeah. Plenty of live stuff. I have a T-shirt from last year's tour. Never worn it - never will. My prize possession. *why a Hawkwind fan: Captain Bl at ck summed it up nicely. *First album you picked up: In Search Of Space *Seen live how many times: Zero :-( Still hoping very much that they tour Australia next year. Will move mountains to see them if they tour. *Nik or Dave: Dave. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 13 16:04:45 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:04:45 EDT Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney In-Reply-To: <20021113215252.GG78440@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2002, at 16:52, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:07:07PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html > > Whereas I have to grudgingly admit that anything that makes it harder > for people to own J.Lo CDs can't be all bad, I have to wonder how some > cherished opera favourites will slip past the yardstick of "themes > such as violence, drug use, murder and suicide..." >;-) > Might as well ban Shakespeare while we're at it: Violence, murder, infanticide, incest, canibalism, cross-dressing, regicide, racism, sexual humor, etc, etc.... theo From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Nov 13 17:07:42 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:07:42 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > > a little Hawkwind poll: > > > *Hawkwind fan: since 1972 > > > *how many CD's: not as many as you might think on the grounds that over the years I've flogged them to you lot!!! > > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: used to- lack of time prevents it these days > > > *why a Hawkwind fan: hearing "In Search Of Space" in '72 was like a religious experience > > *First album you picked up: In Search Of Space > > *Seen live how many times: about ten (I know, I know - don;t ask!!!!!) > > > *Nik or Dave: a question that merely throws fuel on a fire that needs a hefty does of water putting on it (sorry Alissa - no offence) Andy G. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 17:15:47 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:15:47 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 1969 - a 6th-former in my boarding school house played the first Hawkwind album on a cranky record player in the common room and I thought it was terrific! *how many CD's: about 150CDs about 250 vinyl albums/singles (Hawkwind and Hawkwind-family) *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Anything that comes my way - tickets, posters, magazines, badges, wrist straps (I've got a colourful bead one somewhere), books, comics, t-shirts - ah but it's not junk 8-) *why a Hawkwind fan: the music, man, the music! *First album you picked up: In Search of Space *Seen live how many times: As many times as possible since approx 1987 - when I finally had the courage to go along to a Hawkwind gig by myself (no-one else I knew then would have gone!). *Nik or Dave: Dave with the band! Nik is an astonishing performer in his own right and carries an edginess of anarchy with him whenever he plays but sadly he and Hawkwind really don't work together - whatever the reasons are. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 17:21:07 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:21:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: Amazon.co.uk are listing the Canterbury 2001 recording as being released on November 18th......next Monday! From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 17:37:34 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:37:34 -0000 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney Message-ID: And the next series of Neighbours will show............ surreptitious bands of young teens huddled around a computer frantically bootlegging one CD copy after another before the elder brother/sister they nicked the original from discovers it is missing. alternative scenario: elder teens buying up copies of banned CDs selling them to groups of desperate younger teens for exorbitant demands (yeah, yeah I'll mow the lawn for you for the next month - and water the flower beds - and ok I'll clean the cars too) Mum and Dad weeping on the doorstep as the police tell them they have arrested their youngster with contraband albums what will this lead to........... jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Nov 13 17:39:05 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:39:05 +0000 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney Message-ID: Funny (for me anyway) to see this now. I just recently discovered that there was an old CD-ROM game, Phantasmagoria, which had been banned in Australia. My brother had a copy, and I played the thing years ago, and while it had some "disturbing" content, I don't remember anything that would justify banning it. Then again, I haven't yet come across anything I would ban, had I that power. Well, I'd probably say something snide to the poor oppressed Aussies about freedom of speech/expression and the "land of the free, home of the brave", but our current regime will probably do away with such inconveniences in the near future. And here I was wondering if I should flee to Australia . . . :-) Guido > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:07:07PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > => http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html > > Whereas I have to grudgingly admit that anything that makes it harder > for people to own J.Lo CDs can't be all bad, I have to wonder how some > cherished opera favourites will slip past the yardstick of "themes > such as violence, drug use, murder and suicide..." >;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 13 18:00:05 2002 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:00:05 -0000 Subject: a little poll Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: how long, how many, and why a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 78 *how many CD's: by HW? no idea *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: some *why a Hawkwind fan: scifi psychedelia *First album you picked up: Space Ritual *Seen live how many times: 30+ (used to work 300 yards from Hammersmith Odeon....), ICU twice, Calvert 3 times, but never Motorhead, oddly enough..... *Nik or Dave: Brock, but Nik's ok- he bummed a smoke from me a long time ago, from the stage at Stonehenge and was quite cool about the incongruity of it all dave From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 13 17:59:33 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:59:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Hi David, Welcome to the list! It's an honor to have someone of your talent(s) here. And please, do tell Kim (who is probably a superior bassist to anyone on boc-l, certainly myself!) that I'm a big fan of Dadamah / Flies Inside The Sun / Dora Marr / etc. (I suspect that we may share a few acquaintences, since I and at least one of my bandmates have worked with several NZ musicians.) Since you've never seen Hawkwind, I assume that you were unaware of the NZ tour in 2000? Everything I've heard about that tour indicates that there was no real promotion whatsoever. It would have been very cool if you had been able to work with them ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:54:31 +1300, David Howard & Kim Pieters wrote: >I've been a Hawkwind fan since 1975, when I first heard 'In Search of >Space' ... From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 13 18:08:18 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:08:18 -0600 Subject: HW: brighton Message-ID: Hi folks, Anyone going to the Brighton gig? Are you staying in Brighton that evening? How are you shuttling yourself around? Arin (who wants to go to the gig, but debates logistics.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 18:08:18 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:08:18 -0000 Subject: HW: brighton Message-ID: I am going, by car from London. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: HW: brighton > Hi folks, > > Anyone going to the Brighton gig? Are you staying in Brighton that > evening? How are you shuttling yourself around? > > Arin > (who wants to go to the gig, but debates logistics.) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 13 18:46:47 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:46:47 EST Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2002 8:43:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK writes: > > a little Hawkwind poll: > > *Hawkwind fan: Since 1994 (joined BOC-L as BOC fan) > *how many CDs: About 65 a few months ago, now only about 40 > *how many LPs: 13 > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: only a few tapes, can > hardly even keep up w/afford the recently released official live sets, > Weird, etc. > > *why a Hawkwind fan: awe > *First album you picked up: picked up a few cassettes (Space bandits, Palace > Springs, Xenon) around the same time Jill Strohbridge gave me her spare > copies of Doremi, Roadhawks and Angels of Death/Transdimensional Man 7" > > *Seen live how many times: 0 > > *Nik or Dave: Both. Got to see Nik w/Farflung in L.A. 2000 > > *Additional Info: HW (and simultaneously this list) was my "gateway band" > to discovering many different styles and approaches to music which I'd > previously been ignorant of, partic. psychedelia and Krautrock. Chuck From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Nov 13 18:53:10 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:53:10 -0500 Subject: Melodic Energy Comm. E=M/C2 Message-ID: HI, Does anyone happen to have the tracklist for this, or know where to find it? Can anyone help? Cheers Stephe From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 19:16:24 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:16:24 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <3DD1AC69.28239.16A83A3@localhost> Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 1983 *how many CD's: 50-60 HW albums (vinyl and CD), probably another 15-20 by various offshoots (Calvert/ICU/Bedouin/Agents of Chaos etc). *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: not really. Have a few live recordings but don't specifically collect them. Not usually bothered about memorabilia. *why a Hawkwind fan: Because... they blew my mind when I was 14, for which I'm still grateful. I fell madly in love with this hypnotic music and the many strange things I found in it. Somewhere in the trance, I started to find things in myself too. If I hadn't discovered Hawkwind, I wouldn't have discovered lots of other things either, and I'd be a different person today. *First album you picked up: Choose Your Masques *Seen live how many times: I think it's 14. Also saw Calvert once, and Nik's Fantastic Allstars once. *Nik or Dave: Until fairly recently, both- but have tired of Nik's antics in recent times :-( -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 13 20:41:15 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:41:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: motorcycle irene Message-ID: In 'White Line Fever', Lemmy mentions that photographer Irene Theodorou was, indeed, nicknamed "Motorcycle" after the Moby Grape song. Yes, just received my copy today (amazon.co.uk is recommended for folks living in the US - it took less than a week for my copy to get from England to California - I ordered it last wednesday, it shipped on thursday, and I received the delivery notice on tuesday). Yes, it is a *great* read! (AND, it has an index, which is *always* essential for rock bios.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:47:15 +0200, Ketil Svendsen wrote: >She did a lot of photography for mot?rhead in the early days. possibly >the first single cover, the st. valetine's day massacre etc (have to >check - if anybody's interested!)... i think she was the girlfriend of >one of them, phil taylor, from what i recall....(?) > >ketil, >norway > >> I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at >> least about, Motorcycle Irene. >> Eh?? >> I've heard that name mentioned a few times, but always in connection with >> Lemmy. >> Am I going mad? >> Can someone explain this? >> >> Chris. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 23:29:36 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:59:36 +1030 Subject: HW: Xmas Tour Detail Message-ID: Have a great time next month. :-) Peace Mb From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 23:36:38 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:06:38 +1030 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > > a little Hawkwind poll: > > > *Hawkwind fan: since 89 > > > *how many CD's: All but an Original ASAM; 25 Years; QSC; PXR5. > > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: live recordings and currently working on the memorabilia > > > *why a Hawkwind fan: A friend played Levitation at a party and the sweeping synths caught my imagination. > > > *First album you picked up: Levitation and Live 79 on a double cassette. Played it until it wore out. > > > *Seen live how many times: One time. > > > *Nik or Dave: Dave. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 00:14:06 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:44:06 +1030 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: *Seen live how many times: As many times as possible since approx 1987 - when I finally had the courage to go along to a Hawkwind gig by myself (no-one else I knew then would have gone!). I know just how you feel :-) Took me Eleven years to finally make it to England to see Hawkwind. Had to do it alone because basically I am the musical black sheep of the family. Peace From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 00:16:18 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:46:18 +1030 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney > And the next series of Neighbours will show............ Had to change the channel when Neighbors came on yesterday. Grabbed my copy of Studio 22 and watched that instead. Even the comedy channel on cable is getting off the planet. Or is that just me? LoL Peace From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 00:28:44 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:58:44 +1030 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney Message-ID: It seems it won't be long before flag burning is outlawed apparently (not that I have ever had an interest in such activities to date) and that we will all have to proudly fly an Aussie flag at the front doorstep or face being fined - if certain politicians have their way....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney > Funny (for me anyway) to see this now. I just recently discovered that there was an old CD-ROM game, > Phantasmagoria, which had been banned in Australia. My brother had a copy, and I played the thing > years ago, and while it had some "disturbing" content, I don't remember anything that would > justify banning it. Then again, I haven't yet come across anything I would ban, had I that > power. > > Well, I'd probably say something snide to the poor oppressed Aussies about freedom > of speech/expression and the "land of the free, home of the brave", but our current regime will > probably do away with such inconveniences in the near future. And here I was wondering if I should > flee to Australia . . . :-) > > Guido > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:07:07PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > > > => http://www.free-market.net/rd/941178217.html > > > > Whereas I have to grudgingly admit that anything that makes it harder > > for people to own J.Lo CDs can't be all bad, I have to wonder how some > > cherished opera favourites will slip past the yardstick of "themes > > such as violence, drug use, murder and suicide..." >;-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Nov 13 17:38:26 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:38:26 -0000 Subject: CD Censorship Starts in Sydney In-Reply-To: <3DD2862A.23992.22289AC@localhost> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2002 at 17:04, Ted Jackson wrote: > Might as well ban Shakespeare while we're at it: > Violence, murder, infanticide, incest, canibalism, cross-dressing, > regicide, racism, sexual humor, etc, etc.... > And that's the comedies :^) Horse From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 02:15:56 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:15:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: wayne kramer on the state of the 'union' Message-ID: *Very* interesting - and a lot of good points. The only point I'd take serious issue with is that there are three original members in Metallica. I make it two. :-) Cheers, Rich. > given the discusssion on the list about which wind is Hawkwind, the > Oysterness of 3oc and all such things, > > read: > http://www.waynekramer.com/report.shtml > > Interesting things from a bad mofo. > j > From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Nov 14 03:27:19 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:27:19 +0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: since 1987, when a fellow student, upon meeting me put CotBS on. "You'll like this...." *how many Lp's / singles / CD's: Had about 20 CDs stolen few years ago, so rebuilding. About 15-20 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Nope. *why a Hawkwind fan: They are the barbarians of space rock - wall of heavy sound with astral swirling synths that take you away. *First album you picked up: Live Chronicles *Seen live how many times: About a dozen since '88, mostly in or around Liverpool. *Nik or Dave: Dave. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 14 06:16:23 2002 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:16:23 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Hawkwind fan: Since 1983. How many CD's: About 35 CD's all bought since that top ten prog rock program was on tv. Pretty much every album up until about 1995 on vinyl and loads of bits and pieces to. Collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: I don't collect as such but I have some live recordings. Regret throwing away all my posters. Why a Hawkwind fan: Heavy, simple, driving, hypnotic riffs with electronics and weirdness. DB's individual musical style. Lyrical content - HW don't just sing about ordinary life. The only band I ever come back to over and over again. First album you picked up: Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack on a cassette given to me by the former guitarist of Napalm Death and Carcass who I went to school with. Seen live how many times: I lost count but could be up to 30 times. Nik or Dave: Generally neutral but without DB no backbone or forward motion. Alastair. From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 06:58:17 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:58:17 +1100 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Now here's someone to be in awe of, a fan since 1969 - I was 8 years old & probably listening to the happening sounds of some crappy pop music (was the Partridge Family on then?) while you had a big head-start on the best sounds ever made. I am jealous! Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: how long, how many, and why > a little Hawkwind poll: > > *Hawkwind fan: > since 1969 - a 6th-former in my boarding school house played the > first Hawkwind album on a cranky record player in the common room and I > thought it was terrific! From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 07:04:58 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:04:58 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: I was two. And probably being subjected to Radio 3. :-) R. > Now here's someone to be in awe of, a fan since 1969 - I was 8 years old & > probably listening to the happening sounds of some crappy pop music (was the > Partridge Family on then?) while you had a big head-start on the best sounds > ever made. > > I am jealous! > > Allan Sharpe > > > > a little Hawkwind poll: > > > > *Hawkwind fan: > > since 1969 - a 6th-former in my boarding school house played the > > first Hawkwind album on a cranky record player in the common room and I > > thought it was terrific! > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Nov 14 08:49:42 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:49:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: wayne kramer on the state of the 'union' In-Reply-To: <035101c28bad$ad3cc800$dc9a27d9@bernard> Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > *Very* interesting - and a lot of good points. The only point I'd take > serious issue with is that there are three original members in Metallica. I > make it two. :-) And I took issue with the "Chicago (who cares)" comment. I think the wah guitar solo in "25 or 6 to 4" more than balances the existence of Peter Cetera.... Terry Kath R.I.P. Brian obLP> Chicago II From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Thu Nov 14 09:13:45 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:13:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: state of the 'union' (is a chicago toon)/Remasters Message-ID: > And I took issue with the "Chicago (who cares)" comment. I > think the wah guitar solo in "25 or 6 to 4" more than balances the > existence of Peter Cetera.... Terry Kath R.I.P. > > Brian > obLP> Chicago II Though nowadays, it's only Robert Lamm and the horn section who hold up the banner o' Chicago. You can, however, get "The Innovative Guitar of Terry Kath" from Chicago Records. That reminds me, they've remastered the first few albums. No bonus tracks, just Digipak. On a final, equally unrelated note, I was trawling the AMG online and it told tales of this insanely well-done bootleg series for the Rolling Stones back catalog up to Let It Bleed. Does anyone have items from this series? And is anyone else miffed they've decided to make the US and UK Between the Buttons and Aftermath separate remasters from ABCO? I think their (and Dave Anderson's) Shakespeare quote should be: "Alas poor completists, we screwed ye well." Also note on BOCs website that Black and Blue's re-release is postponed indefinitely. bummer. Jason Obthought: "Pulitzer Prize-Fighting" - thank you steven wright. From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Thu Nov 14 09:33:30 2002 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:33:30 -0500 Subject: Melodic Energy Comm. E=M/C2 Message-ID: What Would You Say Captured Night Rhythym Black Cat Melody Is Energy Touch Your Body Jigs Up Big Waves Beehive Jive Cruising The Sacred Seas One....two....three.... don't have the original anymore, but do still have an old cassette copy Jeff On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:53:10 -0500, stephe lindas wrote: >HI, Does anyone happen to have the tracklist for this, or know where to find it? Can anyone help? Cheers Stephe From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Nov 14 10:51:06 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:51:06 -0000 Subject: HW teaser question Message-ID: Where is Ben Charmer mentioned? Answers on a postcard. Winner gets.....er.......congratulated by me (big deal). Sorry I'm in a silly mood. Regards, Eddie. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Nov 14 10:22:50 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:22:50 -0400 Subject: OEB wear store 'The Bishops' closet' now open ( also SLOTERDIJK merchandise) Message-ID: Hello friends, due to continued requests for One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK merchandise, we have created an online store where you can go and order directly through a secure server. It is with great pleasure, that I announce the debut of our 'OEB wear' collection, gear & accessories. Please visit www.cafepress.com/oebs For audio merchandise, request an e-flyer via the e-mail links at either http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com or www.mp3.com/sloterdijk Cheers! Mike Burro PS: We will be coming out with our full color 2003 Calendar within a few days, so please check back again!!! From bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 14 12:54:10 2002 From: bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET (Bill Barwick) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:54:10 -0000 Subject: HW teaser question Message-ID: He's the one who was supposed to go to the medical room to see Roger urgently - Greasy Truckers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: 14 November 2002 15:51 Subject: HW teaser question > Where is Ben Charmer mentioned? > > Answers on a postcard. > > Winner gets.....er.......congratulated by me (big deal). > > Sorry I'm in a silly mood. > > Regards, > > Eddie. > From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Nov 14 12:54:26 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:54:26 -0000 Subject: HW teaser question Message-ID: Give that man a Ceeegar!! Now I know that there's someone else out as sad as me! Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Barwick To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 14/11/02 17:54 Subject: Re: HW teaser question He's the one who was supposed to go to the medical room to see Roger urgently - Greasy Truckers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: 14 November 2002 15:51 Subject: HW teaser question > Where is Ben Charmer mentioned? > > Answers on a postcard. > > Winner gets.....er.......congratulated by me (big deal). > > Sorry I'm in a silly mood. > > Regards, > > Eddie. > From rockypaths at MSN.COM Thu Nov 14 14:25:01 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:25:01 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: Hawkwind fan: since 79 *how many CD's: 90+. Key album I'm missing is Hawklords - 25 years on. Does anyone know where I can get a copy on CD. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes I collect live recordings to a certain extent. Can't handle bad quality recordings though so usually give those ones a miss. Don't really collect other Hawkwind stuff. > > > *why a Hawkwind fan: You can always listen to album and hear a sound or tune something you never heard before. Plus it's great music to chill to, rock to and space out to!!! > > *First album you picked up: Levitation. > > *Seen live how many times: Not enough. 5 times in the UK and twice with Nik doing his Space Ritual tour in the States. > > > *Nik or Dave: Dave. >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Thu Nov 14 15:02:40 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:02:40 -0500 Subject: Fw: [Hawkwind] New Auction Site Message-ID: Thought i'd pass this on,sounds like it might be a good thing tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: Planet Loanhead To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] New Auction Site Greetings All, Just thought I would let you know that the Hawkwind Network now has an auction site up and running, dedicated exclusively to HW items. There are no fees of any sort to pay, although you do need to register with the site. All you have to do now is get some items up for sale. I am starting a small campaign of plugging it this week so hopefully things will happen soon. The Hawkwind Network: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/norma.verrall/Ringhomepage.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 14 15:48:04 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:48:04 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > a little Hawkwind poll: > Hawkwind fan: since 1976 I received a book on Astronomy and the author (Ian Ridpath -who does Norton's Star Atlas)gave the band a plug in the book - I had to seek them out after that. *how many CD's Guessing about 80HW related *why a Hawkwind fan: I find this an impossible question to answer and I've been asked it many times over the years. Their music just sounds right to me in a way I can't explain. *First album you picked up: RoadHawks *Seen live how many times: I'm in the very fortunate position of being able to say I've lost count. *Nik or Dave: Dave May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 14 15:50:40 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:50:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: wayne kramer on the state of the 'union' Message-ID: I find it *very* cool that even though (to their credit!) the MC5 NEVER did any sort of reunion/cash-in, he fully supports the right of any of his contemporaries to do so, and does not have a holier-than-thou attitude about it (to the point of understanding both the positions of Krieger & Manzarek, who want to do a Doors reunion, AND of John Densmore, who doesn't). That's the outlook of a *true* musician. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:57:52 -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >given the discusssion on the list about which wind is Hawkwind, the >Oysterness of 3oc and all such things, > >read: >http://www.waynekramer.com/report.shtml > >Interesting things from a bad mofo. >j From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 14 15:53:48 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:53:48 -0500 Subject: HW Our Monica Message-ID: I meant to ask this on the recent thread regarding 'It is the Business...' On 'Gimme Shelter' on that album, are the harmonica sounds real or are they recreated electronically? Cheers Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 14 16:08:46 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:08:46 +0300 Subject: HW Our Monica Message-ID: > I meant to ask this on the recent thread regarding 'It is the Business...' > On 'Gimme Shelter' on that album, are the harmonica sounds real or are they recreated electronically? Maybe Brock's guitar? From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Nov 14 16:13:38 2002 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:13:38 -0000 Subject: HW: The Final Programme Message-ID: try http://www.savoy.abel.co.uk/HTML/picts2.html then down the bottom. I remember watching that BBC2 showing of it years ago and not even catching a glimpse of them. Did someone not say before that Hawkwind appeared only in the theatrical trailer for the film? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Youles" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: HW: The Final Programme > Hi > > The Final Programme was, I believe, the title of a film made of the 1st > Jerry Cornelius book. I think it was shown once on UK tv, many moons ago > on a Sunday night on BBC2 and I seem to recall that Jenny Runacre was the > female lead... > > If memory serves, there is a shot of a character talking in the foreground > and in the background there is a band on stage; the band reputed to be > Hawkwind . A friend of mine reckons that in the 80's Trevor Hughess > brought this up in a fanzine that he was running at the time. > > Anyone know if this was indeed Hawkwind or not? > > Steve > From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Nov 14 16:14:08 2002 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:14:08 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: *Hawkwind fan: since 1983 *how many CD's: about a gross. *vinyl albums: about 3 feet end to end *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes *why a Hawkwind fan: So many things. All the crazy stories in the Hawkwind book, because of Doremi and Space Ritual (Brock, Lemmy and King were the ultimate power trio), because of Warrior, Quark, Chronicles, Palace Springs, Alien4, Brainbox Pollution, Moonglum, Brock, Davey and Chadwick, heavy guitar, bass to die for, manic drums, funny noises, Lord Of Light, Huw, knowing that despite the bad times (e.g.1983), the good times will come back. That Hawkwind are a mirror on life, e.g. influence, crazy characters, geniuses, inspiration, motivation, escapism, sticking to your path, weirdness, chemistry *First album you picked up: Roadhawks *Seen live how many times: 24 and counting, starting with Glasgow Apollo, Feb 1984 when I was 14, and continuing with the Hawkfest and Walthamstow. *Nik or Dave: It has to be Dave, no question. We owe him so much, whether he intended it to be that way or not. Without him Hawkwind either wouldn't have been or would have fizzled out in 1971. From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Nov 14 17:16:47 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:16:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Canturbury CD Release Message-ID: +STAR WARRIORS + + + The Canturbury CD will be released SOON (but unfortunately, not Monday as previously reported. . . . . . ) TRACK LISTING: CD1: 1. 5th Second Of Forever 2. Levitation 3. Spiral Galaxy 4. Solitary Mind Games 5. Angels Of Death 6 Spirit Of The Age 7. Magnu 8. Dust Of Time (Excerpt) 9. Motorway City 10. Hurry On Sundown 11. Assassins Of Allah CD2 1.Silver Machine (featuring Arthur Brown) 2. Arthur?s Poem 3. Assault And Battery 4. Void Of Golden Light 5. Ejection More info, including release date will be on MC in a few days. . . . . . www.hawkwind.info + MESSAGE ENDS + + From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Thu Nov 14 17:41:47 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:41:47 +1300 Subject: OFF: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Dear Doug, Kim is indeed a terrifying bassist who can clear the stage with her power, then entice everyone back with her delicacy; I've passed your comments on and she is doing an imitation of a Cheshire cat. Having said that, she's just taken the magnificent 'Quark Strangeness and Charm' off the turntable and put P.J. Harvey's 'To Give You My Love' on the CD player. This represents a decline twice over: from Hawkwind to Harvey (good as she is), from vinyl to CD. Regarding other list members' comments on Metallica, I can't comment on the originality or otherwise of the lineup. What I can say is that when I was a small part of the '98 'Loaded' tour they impressed me with their work ethic, their lack of snobbery, and the affection they had for one another; while Lars Ulrich is the dominant intellect he shares an easy trust with James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, and Jason Newsted. David Howard From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Nov 14 19:34:08 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:34:08 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: *Hawkwind fan: since '71 - sci-fi fan - heard Silver Machine and was immediately hooked - Saw Space Ritual at Edmonton Sundown (1st ever gig of any sort - what an introduction !) - not missed much since... even bought my first Bass off a HW roadie..... *how many CD's: >100 *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: bits & pieces *why a Hawkwind fan: You mean there are *other* bands?... ! *First album you picked up: In Search Of Space (on cassette !) *Seen live how many times: lost count when I passed 175....... *Nik or Dave: Nik Who? From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 18:53:16 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:53:16 -0000 Subject: Lemmy and Noddy Message-ID: C*** f*** b*****ks arse. Only on Central. Sorry. If anyone who gets Central taped it, could you let me know please? Cheers, Rich. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 00:30:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:00:09 +1030 Subject: Lemmy and Noddy Message-ID: Ooooooo -eeeerrrrrrrr :-) That made me false teeth fall out ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Lemmy and Noddy > C*** f*** b*****ks arse. > > Only on Central. > > Sorry. > > If anyone who gets Central taped it, could you let me know please? > > Cheers, > > Rich. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 15 00:42:41 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:42:41 -0600 Subject: Off: Metallica Message-ID: Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I hate Metallica" list. Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very original, and the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced wannabe rock star from day one, though to be contradictory, maybe one or two of their compositions are worthwhile, though not worth buying albums......except for stealing tunes from Napster for fun and then deleting them off the hard drive. Lars, though perhaps "intellectual", always seemed to me to be a pompous know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. Motorhead, on the other hand, is the "real thing", as are many other bands I can go on naming who are truly original. That is my opinion, for what it's worth. Never owned a Metallica, or Def Lepperd album, for that matter, and never will. That's my opinion of Metallica, for what it's worth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Howard & Kim Pieters" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OFF: how long, how many, and why > Dear Doug, > > Kim is indeed a terrifying bassist who can clear the stage with her power, > then entice everyone back with her delicacy; I've passed your comments on > and she is doing an imitation of a Cheshire cat. Having said that, she's > just taken the magnificent 'Quark Strangeness and Charm' off the turntable > and put P.J. Harvey's 'To Give You My Love' on the CD player. This > represents a decline twice over: from Hawkwind to Harvey (good as she is), > from vinyl to CD. > > Regarding other list members' comments on Metallica, I can't comment on the > originality or otherwise of the lineup. What I can say is that when I was a > small part of the '98 'Loaded' tour they impressed me with their work > ethic, their lack of snobbery, and the affection they had for one another; > while Lars Ulrich is the dominant intellect he shares an easy trust with > James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, and Jason Newsted. > > David Howard > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 00:59:35 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:35 +1030 Subject: Off: Metallica Message-ID: I went to see Metallica several years ago when they were promoting their Black album. I am not a fan of their music but it was an interesting night. I was mostly worried that one of the guitarists loogies (Hetfield) was gonna go astray and land in the "Snake Pit." I enjoyed a last minute BB King concert (a year or so prior) much more. Niiiiii!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Off: Metallica > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I hate > Metallica" list. > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very original, and > the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced wannabe rock star from day > one, though to be contradictory, maybe one or two of their compositions are > worthwhile, though not worth buying albums......except for stealing tunes > from Napster for fun and then deleting them off the hard drive. Lars, > though perhaps "intellectual", always seemed to me to be a pompous > know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. > > Motorhead, on the other hand, is the "real thing", as are many other bands I > can go on naming who are truly original. > > That is my opinion, for what it's worth. Never owned a Metallica, or Def > Lepperd album, for that matter, and never will. > > That's my opinion of Metallica, for what it's worth. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Howard & Kim Pieters" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: how long, how many, and why > > > > Dear Doug, > > > > Kim is indeed a terrifying bassist who can clear the stage with her power, > > then entice everyone back with her delicacy; I've passed your comments on > > and she is doing an imitation of a Cheshire cat. Having said that, she's > > just taken the magnificent 'Quark Strangeness and Charm' off the turntable > > and put P.J. Harvey's 'To Give You My Love' on the CD player. This > > represents a decline twice over: from Hawkwind to Harvey (good as she is), > > from vinyl to CD. > > > > Regarding other list members' comments on Metallica, I can't comment on > the > > originality or otherwise of the lineup. What I can say is that when I was > a > > small part of the '98 'Loaded' tour they impressed me with their work > > ethic, their lack of snobbery, and the affection they had for one another; > > while Lars Ulrich is the dominant intellect he shares an easy trust with > > James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, and Jason Newsted. > > > > David Howard > > From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Fri Nov 15 01:07:02 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:07:02 -0600 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: I hate Metallica, and will never buy another album of theirs again. I used to buy everything, but the "Black Album" finished it for me, and what I heard of Load and beyond was not even remotely interesting to me. Funny, as I'm usually a very loyal geezer, but Metallica really burned a lot of bridges. That's the first band I've ever cleaned house on, selling all of their stuff and never once feeling any regret. But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a pretty good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. Listen to Saxon circa 1984 and then listen to Metallica circa 1984, and you'll know what I mean. But the sad fact is that they turned their back on the metal crowd with their output from the last decade and a half, and none of the metal guys I know even bothers to think about them. So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after "Justice". And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never struck me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most unicellular life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really the only guy who didn't sell out.) But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band that really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Off: Metallica > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I hate > Metallica" list. > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very original, and > the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced wannabe rock star from day > one, though to be contradictory, maybe one or two of their compositions are > worthwhile, though not worth buying albums......except for stealing tunes > from Napster for fun and then deleting them off the hard drive. Lars, > though perhaps "intellectual", always seemed to me to be a pompous > know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. > > Motorhead, on the other hand, is the "real thing", as are many other bands I > can go on naming who are truly original. > > That is my opinion, for what it's worth. Never owned a Metallica, or Def > Lepperd album, for that matter, and never will. > > That's my opinion of Metallica, for what it's worth. > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 15 02:12:45 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:12:45 EST Subject: Off: Metallica Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2002 12:43:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > a pompous > know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. > they did have a corner on the genre, for over a decade. many other bands I can go on naming who are truly original. no one is 'truly original'. motorhead are the product of their influences as much as metallica. bob seger once said 'there are really only two rock songs, and chuck berry wrote them both' bobm not a metallica fan From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 02:30:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:00:28 +1030 Subject: Off: Metallica Message-ID: Right on!! The number of songs that have been written to the chord structure of A - D - E is mind boggling. How about G - C - D? Or B - F# - E. (Think about that last one.) It's all good. D - A - G - Em - A - D? Mister Tambourine mayyyyyyyn!!!!!! Niiiiiiiiiiii!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Off: Metallica > In a message dated 11/15/2002 12:43:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > > > > a pompous > > know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. > > > > they did have a corner on the genre, for over a decade. > > many other bands I > can go on naming who are truly original. > > no one is 'truly original'. motorhead are the product of their influences as > much as metallica. bob seger once said 'there are really only two rock songs, > and chuck berry wrote them both' > > bobm > not a metallica fan From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Nov 15 03:19:35 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:19:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Daevid Allen shows Message-ID: Forwarded FYI... Hi everyone! First of all I'd like to thank everyone for coming out to see Coven of One in DC and my performance with Edward in Denver last weekend. The last few weeks have been amazing on so many different levels. And that Denver crowd..."why not" indeed.. It was great meeting so many of you...and my love to my new little family (you know who you are)...thanks for finally showing up. I have two spectacular shows coming up this weekend in Baltimore and New York.. The Red Room at Normals 425 E. 31st Street Baltimore, MD Sunday, November 17th, 8:30 PM, $6 Daevid Allen (guitar) and Nicoletta Stephanz (theremin) and Neil Feather (invented instruments), Andy Hayleck (invented instruments), and Audrey Chen (cello, voice) Daevid Allen has lent his spirited guitar work and voice to several projects since the mid-60's, including the psych/prog rock bands Soft Machine and Gong (both of which he founded). His approach to the guitar within and outside those formats has been both open and inventive. In this performance he teams up with local theremin player Nicoletta Stephanz, who employs a variety of electronic instruments and effects, including the Buchla Lightning, the Digitech Guitar Talker, and the Boomerang for extensive looping. They will be "providing a varied & entertaining range of musical textures & thought provoking lyrics for your enjoyment." "A rare & fun experience for us all." - as put by Mr. Allen himself. Also performing that night will be local impersenario Neil Feather playing mechanical/electronic invented instruments of his own design that defy both the aural and visual senses (see www.neilfeather.org) with Andy Hayleck, also playing invented instruments, and Audrey Chen on cello and voice. Directions - http://www.redroom.org/directions.htm AND The Knitting Factory Main Performance Space 74 Leonard Street New York City , NY 10013 212-219-3006 Special Project with Daevid Allen (of Gong) Price: $10.00 Date: Mon, Nov 18 Start Time: 8:00 PM MESSAGE FROM DAEVID ALLEN OF GONG I would like to invite you to a rare event... a performance at the Knitting Factory on Monday 18th Nov. playing a duo concert with my favourite thereminist Nicoletta Stephanz who has performed with Gong & on the most recent UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS CD due out within the month. She has a wide range of electronic talents & a magnificent voice & these qualities melt together effortlessly with my glissando guitar techniques & songs & performance poems from my new book: "POET FOR SALE". We will be providing a varied & entertaining range of musical textures & thought provoking lyrics for your enjoyment. A rare & fun experience for us all. Hope you can make it! Cheers... daevid alien Directions - http://www.knittingfactory.com/Directions/kfny_directions.cfm Hope to see you! Nic From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 04:12:11 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:12:11 -0500 Subject: HW Preston gig Message-ID: Did anyone ever find out whether this was the real HW or some other band? From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 04:49:57 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:49:57 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a pretty > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them. Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom. However, (and this is a discussion we've been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so? The vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on Chuck Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock 'n' roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s? (Which in its turn started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals). The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my gob shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite bands) were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was hardly brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical side - nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle). Venom? Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead, which in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll. See my point? Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with good reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock records. So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after "Justice". First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master of Puppets. Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after it. > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never struck > me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most unicellular > life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really the > only guy who didn't sell out.) It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of the lot of 'em! > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band that > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! Hear hear. Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!) :-) Cheers, Rich. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 05:21:48 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:51:48 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) now back to originality ;-) Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------ ORIGINAL: adj. Preceding all others in time; first. Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an adaptation. Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original approach. See Synonyms at new. Productive of new things or new ideas; inventive: an original mind. Being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made. n. A first form from which other forms are made or developed: Later models of the car retained many features of the original. An authentic work of art: bought an original, not a print. Work that has been composed firsthand: kept the original but sent a photocopy to his publisher. A person who is appealingly odd or curious; a character. Archaic. The source from which something arises; an originator. ------------------------------------------------------------------ My cynical 2 p's worth..... Not always appreciated at first Often freaks people out Causes fundamentalists to want to burn anything related You have to ask yourself. Do you become the originator of an original idea only if you make that idea a commercial success? What about the garage bands who have the same idea but never got onto the airwaves etc? I am a big fan of the term; "Personal Expression." & "Be Yourself" but I'm sure I am not the first to use them ;-) Peace, Love & Light. If it feels good and doesn't hurt others then it must be right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about > > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a > pretty > > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. > > Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on > its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them. > Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom. However, (and this is a discussion we've > been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely > original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so? The > vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on Chuck > Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock 'n' > roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many > cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s? (Which in its turn > started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals). > > The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my gob > shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite bands) > were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was hardly > brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical side - > nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle). > > Venom? Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead, which > in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll. > > See my point? Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with good > reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock > records. > > So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's > > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after "Justice". > > First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master of > Puppets. Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after > it. > > > > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never > struck > > me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to > > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most unicellular > > life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I > > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really the > > only guy who didn't sell out.) > > It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of > the lot of 'em! > > > > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band that > > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! > > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! > > Hear hear. Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!) :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 05:40:45 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:10:45 +1030 Subject: HW Preston gig Message-ID: Newcastle, Manchester & Liverpool are the closest I can see to Preston. I am assuming you mean Preston Lancashire? I live in Oztraylia in case ye be a wondering me laddio ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: HW Preston gig > Did anyone ever find out whether this was the real HW or some other band? > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 15 06:21:09 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:21:09 EDT Subject: Off: Metallica In-Reply-To: <00a001c28c69$d0962230$b653b4d0@TomMain> Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2002, at 23:42, Tom Clark wrote: > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I > hate Metallica" list. > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very > original, and the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced > wannabe rock star from day one, They are, to me, irrelevant, but they did have the good taste to cover a B?C song, and not a thrashing one at that. If some misguided kid got turned on to B?C because of them, then their existence is justified... theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 07:38:16 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:08:16 +1030 Subject: was meat allica - now its a boc thread Message-ID: Heres one for the Boc fans out there...... Which BOC album would you recomend highly to someone who is getting curious. (Me fer one) No need to limit yourself to one choice either. Top 5 etc. go for it :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Off: Metallica > On 14 Nov 2002, at 23:42, Tom Clark wrote: > > > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I > > hate Metallica" list. > > > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very > > original, and the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced > > wannabe rock star from day one, > > They are, to me, irrelevant, but they did have the good taste to cover > a B?C song, and not a thrashing one at that. If some misguided > kid got turned on to B?C because of them, then their existence is > justified... > > theo > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 15 06:55:39 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:55:39 EDT Subject: was meat allica - now its a boc thread In-Reply-To: <000501c28ca3$df5bf9e0$1ad0223f@studio> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2002, at 23:08, Michael Blackman wrote: > Heres one for the Boc fans out there...... > > Which BOC album would you recomend highly to someone who is getting > curious. (Me fer one) No need to limit yourself to one choice either. > Top 5 etc. go for it :-) The first 3 are far and away their best stuff, and have recently been remastered with added tracks. Of those, most B?C fans rate Secret Treaties, their third album, the highest. And they're essentially budget albums, so it won't cost ya much to get a decent B?C collection going... theo From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Nov 15 07:58:31 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:31 +0100 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em... *Hawkwind fan: since 1980 *how many CD's: oh, a hundred and some (HW), maybe 200 F&R, mostly in Ohio still. :( ~3,000 ? total. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yeah, sort of...when it happens to come my way easily enough. Not obsessively. *why a Hawkwind fan: Not only were they my 'gateway drug' (as Chuck suggested) to a whole new world of music that I'd previously not heard before (within just one-two years, my favorite bands went from Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, and Scorpions to Hawkwind, Amon Duul II, Gong, and Nektar, though I maintain my interest in just about every band I've ever liked (to some degree)), but Hawkwind was always the best too. Except in c. 1983 (that only Doug liked!), when they went totally wacko briefly (with Huw and Nik 'pulling' the band in completely opposite directions, and Nik completely losing his grip.) :) *First album you picked up: Space Ritual 2LP (still shrink-wrapped on National Record Mart store shelves, where it probably had sat waiting patiently for me to arrive for seven years). This was after having heard Quark, Strangeness, and Charm (side two first) when my brother returned from U. of Illinois with this to play for me. It (SR) wasn't quite the same (music)! But it was perhaps even better. And the following year, I picked up the brand new "No Sleep 'till Hammersmith" and then *I* was never quite the same! :) *Seen live how many times: I think l6 (plus 1 StrangeWind), and NikFlungWind about 4-5. *Nik or Dave: Dave by TKO in the 7th round. Grakkl (FAA) From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Fri Nov 15 08:13:05 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:13:05 +1100 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Fair dinkum, If anyone managed to sum it up in one sentence, it was you Mick. Thanks. Allan Sharpe sharpies at idx.com.au > Their music just sounds right to me in a way I can't explain. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Nov 15 08:28:53 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:28:53 -0000 Subject: Anybody want to wooo-wooo? Message-ID: This is probably of interest to somebody on this list *GGG* http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1785240441 ChrisW ObCD: Jorma Kaukonen - Blue Country Heart From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 08:32:01 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:32:01 -0500 Subject: HW Preston gig Message-ID: I have tickets for Manchester, but I read a previous posting about a gig at Preston by the'Original Hawkwind'. The thing was the date given fits well for the real tour as the Saturday is blank on the tour list. Someone posted and said they had tickets for the gig - so which Hawkwind is it? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 15 07:42:05 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:42:05 EDT Subject: Anybody want to wooo-wooo? In-Reply-To: <9516C5462A22114B9A55EBF7FEB3D2060137A4FF@uk01ex01.TRAVEL.OAG.COM> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2002, at 13:28, ChrisW Work wrote: > This is probably of interest to somebody on this list *GGG* > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1785240441 > > ChrisW > ObCD: Jorma Kaukonen - Blue Country Heart It would be worth the price just to get the tubes... theo From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Fri Nov 15 11:00:26 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0700 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). Guido From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Nov 15 10:55:49 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:55:49 -0500 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: Metallica were ok, until they fired Dave Mustaine. First 2 LP's are a rip off of Dave's sound. THey are total garbage now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Off: Metallica > Someone had to bring up Metallica. Sounds like a new idea for a "I hate > Metallica" list. > > Personally, I thought of them as rehashed metal, and not very original, and > the singer has always sounded like a pimply faced wannabe rock star from day > one, though to be contradictory, maybe one or two of their compositions are > worthwhile, though not worth buying albums......except for stealing tunes > from Napster for fun and then deleting them off the hard drive. Lars, > though perhaps "intellectual", always seemed to me to be a pompous > know-it-all who thinks they have a corner on the genre. > > Motorhead, on the other hand, is the "real thing", as are many other bands I > can go on naming who are truly original. > > That is my opinion, for what it's worth. Never owned a Metallica, or Def > Lepperd album, for that matter, and never will. > > That's my opinion of Metallica, for what it's worth. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Howard & Kim Pieters" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: how long, how many, and why > > > > Dear Doug, > > > > Kim is indeed a terrifying bassist who can clear the stage with her power, > > then entice everyone back with her delicacy; I've passed your comments on > > and she is doing an imitation of a Cheshire cat. Having said that, she's > > just taken the magnificent 'Quark Strangeness and Charm' off the turntable > > and put P.J. Harvey's 'To Give You My Love' on the CD player. This > > represents a decline twice over: from Hawkwind to Harvey (good as she is), > > from vinyl to CD. > > > > Regarding other list members' comments on Metallica, I can't comment on > the > > originality or otherwise of the lineup. What I can say is that when I was > a > > small part of the '98 'Loaded' tour they impressed me with their work > > ethic, their lack of snobbery, and the affection they had for one another; > > while Lars Ulrich is the dominant intellect he shares an easy trust with > > James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, and Jason Newsted. > > > > David Howard > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Nov 15 10:57:24 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:57:24 -0500 Subject: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: It was Dave Mustaines sound, not theirs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about > > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a > pretty > > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. > > Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on > its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them. > Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom. However, (and this is a discussion we've > been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely > original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so? The > vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on Chuck > Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock 'n' > roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many > cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s? (Which in its turn > started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals). > > The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my gob > shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite bands) > were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was hardly > brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical side - > nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle). > > Venom? Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead, which > in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll. > > See my point? Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with good > reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock > records. > > So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's > > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after "Justice". > > First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master of > Puppets. Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after > it. > > > > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never > struck > > me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to > > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most unicellular > > life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I > > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really the > > only guy who didn't sell out.) > > It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of > the lot of 'em! > > > > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band that > > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! > > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! > > Hear hear. Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!) :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 15 11:25:56 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:25:56 +0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? >From: Guido Vacano >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0700 > >Richard Lockwood wrote: > >>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something >>genuinely new, not just a new twist. >> >> > >King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie >Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > >Guido _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Fri Nov 15 11:55:10 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:55:10 -0500 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Moody Blues ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Graham" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? > > > > > > > >From: Guido Vacano > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0700 > > > >Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > >>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >>genuinely new, not just a new twist. > >> > >> > > > >King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > >Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > >Guido > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 15 12:04:08 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:04:08 -0500 Subject: Coven of Wha...? In-Reply-To: ; from keith.henderson@PSI.CH on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:19:35AM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:19:35AM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: > First of all I'd like to thank everyone for coming out to see Coven of One > in DC and my performance with Edward in Denver last weekend. Who's Nic? What's Coven of One? Is "Edward" referring to Ka-Spel? I know that's where the Dots were last weekend. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 15 12:14:18 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:14:18 -0600 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Vacano" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > Guido > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri Nov 15 12:24:41 2002 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:24:41 -0500 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Yes, Tom, you are correct!! You can't get much more original than The Residents. And how about DEVO? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:14 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Vacano" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > Guido > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 15 10:07:51 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:07:51 EDT Subject: Metallica In-Reply-To: <003a01c28cbf$77e08440$edb53318@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2002, at 10:55, stephe lindas wrote: > Metallica were ok, until they fired Dave Mustaine. First 2 LP's are a > rip off of Dave's sound. THey are total garbage now. Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave for more than a couple days? theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 13:11:01 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:11:01 -0500 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:25:56 +0000, Richard Graham wrote: >Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? Oh yes indeed! Although PIL only for the first few albums, I'd submit. Others: Nurse With Wound Coil The Residents Faust Can Mind you, if you're talking standard guitar/bass/drums bands, then it's a lot harder to name any. Nick From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 15 13:15:13 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:15:13 EST Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2002 10:52:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > kraftwerk? -bobm From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 15 13:19:37 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:19:37 -0500 Subject: Metallica In-Reply-To: <3DD4D586.29323.DC397E@localhost>; from tojackso@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 11:07:51AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 11:07:51AM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > couple days? Or Nik Turner, or Ritchie Blackmore, or.... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 20:18:10 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:18:10 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: a little Hawkwind poll: *Hawkwind fan: yes, big time since our first encounter in 1976 *how many CD's: 70'ish - don't count them *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yes *why a Hawkwind fan: coz the first thing I ever heard was Assault & Battery on a tape that a mate lent me. It sorta went in with vibe that was different to anything I had ever heard. It was clinched for ever when I saw them live the next year. *First album you picked up: In Search of Space - for ?1.25, second hand without the log book *Seen live how many times: 80'ish *Nik or Dave: Dave Mark From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 19:52:54 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:52:54 -0000 Subject: was meat allica - now its a boc thread Message-ID: Secret Treaties. No argument. Best album ever released by anyone. Cheers, Rich. > Heres one for the Boc fans out there...... > > Which BOC album would you recomend highly to someone who is getting curious. > (Me fer one) > No need to limit yourself to one choice either. Top 5 etc. go for it :-) > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 19:57:01 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:57:01 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Erm... A cover version is hardly "new" is it? And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to Radio 3 (or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then tell me that King Crimson were original... Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) Cheers, Rich. ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely "intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, HW, etc etc etc. > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > Guido > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 19:58:17 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:58:17 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Poetry, poor rock 'n' roll, see PIL. Cheers, Rich. > Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? > > > > > > > >From: Guido Vacano > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0700 > > > >Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > >>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >>genuinely new, not just a new twist. > >> > >> > > > >King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > >Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > >Guido > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 19:58:35 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:58:35 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Chortle! R. > Moody Blues > > > Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Guido Vacano > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0700 > > > > > >Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > >>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with > something > > >>genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > >Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > > >Guido > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 20:01:28 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:01:28 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Are we not men? We are New Wave. Are we not New York New Wave? We are Art Rock. Nothing truely original - although a big spin on old stuff - I just got hold of a copy of Q:Are We Not Men? this week after mine went missing some ten years ago. F***ing top album - and original in its own way, but it still doesn't fulfill the criterion. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Yes, Tom, you are correct!! You can't get much more original than > The Residents. And how about DEVO? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:14 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guido Vacano" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > Guido > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 20:02:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:02:37 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Nope - I'm thinking of any bands. I'll throw in M*A*R*R*S. (Ooh, cat, pigeons!) :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:25:56 +0000, Richard Graham > wrote: > > >Throbbing Gristle, P.I.L, The Pop Group ? > > Oh yes indeed! > > Although PIL only for the first few albums, I'd submit. > > Others: > > Nurse With Wound > > Coil > > The Residents > > Faust > > Can > > Mind you, if you're talking standard guitar/bass/drums bands, then it's a > lot harder to name any. > > Nick > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 20:03:30 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:03:30 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Yes. We were discussing this again in the King Edward VII again this evening. That was the one no-one could argue with. Cheers, Rich. > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > kraftwerk? > -bobm > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Nov 15 20:10:21 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:10:21 -0500 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: Warning: I don't post very often and this is LONG...... *Hawkwind fan: since 1980 - seems like I have told the story before.... By the age of 10, I was already collecting records (that I still own today) and into what would be considered hard-rock I guess. By age 11, I was going to concerts..... In 1977 (age 12), during the Summer I traveled w/ my (older) brother to St. Louis, MO to paint a friend's house and was exposed to marijuana for the first time. There was a killer radio station there called KSHE that played really good tunes. I was turned onto Judas Priest one night listening to that station and my hard-rock liking turned to full-blown heavy metal. A friend bought Motorhead's Ace Of Spades when it came out and my little group of friends were all thrashing to Lemmy and the boys. We actually made a video to Love Me Like a Reptile........But it was not what you may be thinking.......... LOL!!! I often traced the roots of bands that I liked and I read somewhere that Lemmy was in a band called Hawkwind. I was visiting a friend at college (BGSU -where I would later attend) that was also into Motorhead. We went to the music library and found that they had a vinyl copy of Doremi Fasol Latido. We both listened to it on the headphones. I can't remember his impression, but I really liked it ALOT. However, I had not gotten on the bus yet, so to speak. Even though, I already owned alot of PROG like King Crimson's Red and Larks Tongues, as well as many early Yes releases, I was yet to have my first psychedelic experience which probably increased my fondness of the Hawks...... *how many CD's: about 100 official releases, including multiple copies of certain releases on different labels and a few Japanese too... On Summer Tour w/ the Grateful Dead in 1995, I hit many record stores across the country on a Hawkdisc binge. Man, I scored Space Bandits in the longbox collecting dust at one shop and both the Warrior Box and The 25 Years Box in another shop for dirt cheap: $7.99 for Warrior and $15.99 for 25 Years box!! It's cool to order stuff etc. but there's nothing like scoring something you have been wanting for a long time in a record store. Mike Coleman helped fill-in a few gaps w/ my collection in the early-mid 1990's....... Mainly getting the newer releases on disc and on vinyl... *vinyl albums: about 70 or so, also including multiple copies of certain releases on different labels or from different countries and always looking for more..... Hawkwind is the ONLY band that I collect on vinyl. *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: hell yeah! although, I have not been as organized in the past couple years as I used to be, and my burner has been fried for a while, but I am remedying both of those issues currently... ") not so much into collecting the other "junk" per se. I have a few tour programs, some books and I am always into new T-shirts... Thanx Mike Coleman for the Hawkestra T-shirt! *why a Hawkwind fan: part of the reason, I told above..... I can't remember exactly when I really went nutz for the Hawks. It was a progressive thang, I guess...... Smoking marijuana a half-dozen times or so at age 12 only lasted for that summer and I was back to being a good kid...... I went to college w/ Paul Resnik. Some of you may know Paul from the band Nucleon or you may have a tape of his short-lived band Spacecore, that actually opened for Hawkwind at the Empire in Cleveland, OH. Paul was a fellow Geology major in college we were into the same types of music and we became best friends. This coincided w/ smoking marijuana on a semi-regular basis and probably getting more and more into Hawkwind. I did sound for many of Paul's different bands, played roadie for him and jammed sporadically w/ him in a group we called Eclectic Vagabond. Eclectic Vagabond was essentially improvisational electronic space jams w/ Paul on keyboards and me on guitar. I already owned a few Hawkdiscs by then, but it was probably when Paul loaned me his copy of Hall of The Mountain Grill, that I really fell in love w/ the Hawks. I continued to collect more of there releases through the 1980's and it was only appropriate that the first time that I saw Hawkwind was at the Phantasy Theater in October of 1989 w/ Paul on one side and my brother on the other side and all 3 of us shroomin our brains out ") Oh, I was rambling on there wasn't I...? There are so many reasons that I love Hawkwind. With each release there are different reasons and different discoveries made. It wasn't until after my first show that I found their first release on vinyl. I already had Xenon Codex, as I bought it when it came out - the first CD of theirs that I bought in fact. The first release was quite intriguing to me and I dubbed it to cassette immediately w/ the first NEKTAR (a band my brother turned me onto the day Recycled was released) on the other side. The first release is very primitive and somewhat simplistic, but very engaging. There's quite a progression from there to each subsequent release and the addition of Lemmy made them a band that was like no other. Hawkwind's sound is ever changing and ever evolving. One could say that Hall of the Mountain Grill and Warrior on The Edge of Time are PROG, while Doremi Fasol Latido is more like In Search of Space on speed. Hawkwind even thrashed in their very own unique blanga style as early as 1972. Both versions of Master of The Universe found on Space Ritual and Space Ritual Vol. II totally shred!! While Dave Brock is no John McLaughlin or Robert Fripp, his guitar style has always been quite inventive and the definitive factor in Hawkwind's sound. Both Robert Calvert and Nik Turner made Hawkwind even more unique. Robert's lyrics were always on the edge (like the man himself) and thought provoking and Nik's stage presence always contributed to the wild lightshow. Hawkwind are THE psychedelic warlords! I have always been into swords and sorcery and science fiction. Hawkwind blended both of these topics better than any other band and the collaboration between the band and Michael Moorcock was the true pinnacle for me. The Warrior On The Edge of Time became embodied in Elric which was a stroke of pure genius. For some fans the period of the mid-1980's was not one of their favorite times, but this time period was a time that made Hawkwind legendary to me. In the 1990's, Hawkwind remained true pioneers w/ their release of Electric Tepee. While stripped down to a 3-piece unit, they made one of the best recordings of the entire decade. There are so many layers and so may styles interwoven in the tapestry of sound in Electric Tepee and Dave's lyrics on many of the songs are among some of his best. Plus, the opening track, LSD has the driving guitar that Hawkwind pioneered. By the Mid-1990's they released another strong effort w/ Alien 4. This time they had Ron Tree filling the void of the frontman that had been missing for many years. The live performances on the 1995 Tour w/ Ron brought back the spirit evoked by Robert Calvert and Nik Turner. Many of the songs on Alien 4 have excellently penned lyrics, all filling the concept of being abducted by Aliens. Something we were all waiting for Hawkwind to bring us. The truth IS out there! The 1990's also brought about bands paying tribute in the form of remixes of some Hawk-favorites, such as Uncle Sam's on Mars...... It became evident more and more through the 1990's just how much influence Hawkwind has had on MANY contemporary bands and styles of music. They continue to be pioneers in the style of music they invented known simply as SPACEROCK. *First album you picked up: In Search of Space (bought right after hearing Doremi Fasol Latido for the first time ") *Seen live how many times: 6 - All in Cleveland, Ohio Oops... I forgot.... Atlanta, Georgia in 1995 Some day I would love to fly across the pond and go on tour w/ Hawkwind. I only hope that I have enough money to do it before it's too late......... *Nik or Dave: There have been some great responses to this one w/ Doug Pearson's probably summing it up best. I DO think there are an inordinate amount of fans that appear to "suck-up" to Dave. The key word being "appear". Maybe, that is not their intention and maybe they don't mean to come off that way.... There has also been an inordinate amount of Nik bashing, which can ONLY be seen as petty and vindictive. In fact, Nik is not the only Hawk that has been the brunt of bashing. Huw Lloyd-Langton has also gotten his share. The "suck-up" concept I mentioned above "appears" to reinforced by the fact that people stopped bashing Huw Lloyd-Langton when Dave made him an official member of the band again. I have never understood how someone can say that they love Hawkwind and that Hawkwind is their favorite band in one breath and then bash one of it's key members in the next. Current member or former member - it makes NO difference. (except for Dave Anderson, of course) Dave has kept the mothership going and been quite deliberate on his course for better or for worse. Only he knows his true motives for some of the steps that he has taken in what has appeared to be protecting his financial and artistic interests. There is absolutely no doubt that Dave IS Hawkwind. That was clear LONG LONG before he started taking deliberate action to PROVE this to any current or former band members, managers, booking agents and the world in general. Most of us understand Dave's actions, having kept up w/ the Hawkwind SAGA. And many of these actions are probably very justified. However, re-releasing old songs on new records with different titles and only a slight variation (if any) in lyrics and/or music and taking all the credit seems a bit underhanded. I would never choose between these 2 fellows! I am Grateful for both of them in numerous ways. This entire post is a deadication to Hawkwind, past present and future. I only hope that Nik and Dave can come to some type of understanding and be friends. I would never want them to become like David Gilmour and Roger Waters. I have never gotten to hang out w/ Dave. I have met him a couple times and while he was always cordial, he seemed a bit removed and standoffish. I have hung out w/ Nik a few times and had some great conversations with him. He has a very kind spirit, a great sense of humor and he's always just one of the guys. Without Nik Turner I would never have met Tommy Grenas or been exposed to Farflung. I am just a Hawkfan. I have read numerous accounts of previous conflicts and more recent conflicts, but I take them w/ a grain of salt. Any conflict among any band members, past or present are between those folks. Sure I have an opinion. I have expressed a few here. But a person's opinion can only be based on what he or she knows. Those so-called facts may be true or false. Therefore, that person's opinion may be justified and based on fact or that person's opinion may be bullshit and based on fiction. Most often fans are a bit removed to know the entire truth. They may know part of it, but not all of it. Choosing sides based on a situation that one does not truly have full knowledge of is where I get off. Any conflict between Dave and Nik is between them. I have been reading everyone's response to this thread and felt compelled to post. This is the best thread that has appeared on this list for quite some time. As Hawkfans we all have our own opinions, favorite time periods, favorite releases and favorite band members. It's always fun to find out how people from all over the world came to like the same band. We don't have to agree on many things, because we all know that we agree on at least one thing: Hawkwind I originally found out about this list when I met Doug Bates and Chuck Johnson back at the 1995 Hawkwind show in Atlanta. I have been a member off and on ever since. I appreciate all the friends that I have made through this list, all because of Hawkwind. There are so many of you that I hope to meet someday. I consider all of you friends, even though many of us have never met. Jill has to be the coolest Hawkfan on the face of the earth and Bernhard one of the most knowledgeable archivists. I have great respect for you both and all your contributions over the years. The last 2 times that I went to see Hawkwind, I flew on a plane by myself to see them and went to the shows by myself. Don't ever let that stop you from going. There will be plenty of cool people there ready to hang w/ another Hawkfan such as yourself. In the case of members of this list, it will just be putting faces w/ names and that's always fun ") I hope you all enjoy the upcoming tour! Peace, D-Rider From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 20:14:14 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:14:14 -0000 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: > > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > > couple days? > > Or Nik Turner, or Ritchie Blackmore, or.... > M'lud, I refer you to my previous answer... "PPPWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH - HONK HONK HONK SNMNMNRRRPHHHHH" "PPHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRR HONK HONK HONK" My learned friend has in fact pointed out to me that that's not how "Silver Machine" goes... "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" Thank you Mr Turner... "Widdlewiddlewiddle I play olde english folk these days dontcha know widdle widdle widdle" (aside) Is that Mr Blackmore? Yes m'lud, I believe so. "widdlewiddlewiddlewaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa" Could you ask him to shut up please? I'll try m'lud. "widdlewiddlewiddle" MR BLACKMORE! "NoodlenoodlenoodleItoughtYngwieallheknowsnoodlewiddlewiddlescallopedfretboa rdwiddle" SHUT THE **** UP! "HONK HONK HONK PPPPHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" And you Mister Turner! "dagadagadagadagadahgadagadagadagadaghadagadagafdagaTHESEBOOTSAREMADEFORWALK INGdagadagadagadaga" Oh bollocks - who let Mr Mustaine in here? "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" "I'm better than Ian Anderson you know tweedle deedle Bones of Elvis HONK HONK HONK" "widdlewiddlepointless noodle widdlewiddle ThatbastardDaveHill'sgotnothingonmewhenitcomestovibratowiddlewiddle" Oh f*** "DAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADA" (aside) I he going to come up with an ironic album title soon? I believe so m'lud "HONK HONK HONK" (aside) Has he not gone home yet? You'll be ****ing lucky m'lud "noodlenoodle... Repeat ad nauseam. Cheers, Rich. (I believe I did this joke some time ago...) :-) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 15 21:43:52 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:43:52 EST Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? Message-ID: any thoughts? bobm From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Fri Nov 15 22:33:30 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:33:30 +1300 Subject: OFF: "originals" Message-ID: In March 1992 the German painter Anselm Keifer delivered the keynote address to Artists' Week at the Adelaide Festival; he touched on the notion of originality: 'Like when on the screen of a writing computer you insert a new word or a new phrase, and whatever had been there is all shifted, displaced, no matter how much, even thousands of pages. No matter how many temples, pictures, and poems there are - they may altogether be displaced by one new thing. But it may also happen that something which had long been away, something that had so often been displaced and so profoundly been ruined (so that we did not even remember whether it still was there) - it may happen that one such thing emerges again and reconquers the place for the one beauty.' What distinguishes rock music, and accounts for its popularity, is its capacity to synthesize previously disparate elements in the musical tradition; we saw this at its birth when Berry, Elvis et al united the blues with the crooner's songbook; we see this synthetic tendency again in 'World Music'. This is not (quite) what the dictionary defines originality as. I'm an admirer of King Crimson, who one member of this list has suggested are 'original', yet when we listen to Fripp's catalogue we hear a reactive intelligence at work. The King Crimson back catalogue is so strong because Fripp and his fellow musicians bring techniques across from other genres (eg. Bruford's jazz drumming). While Fripp has scrupulously acknowledged that Eno introduced him to the compositional techniques used in Frippertronics/Soundscapes, Eno borrowed those techniques from the classicist Steve Reich's work with tape recorders. And what was the ground of Reich's originality? The invention of the tape-recorder; his conceptual advance was predicated by a technological one, just as Chopin, Liszt and Beethoven could not have innovated without the development of the piano out of the harpsichord. From this I conclude that musical influence (and revolution) is more a matter of technological awareness than of originality per se. David Howard From lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 23:09:03 2002 From: lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:09:03 -0000 Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? In-Reply-To: <19e.c084849.2b070ae8@aol.com> Message-ID: If you go to www.soundbytes.org.uk I believe they still have Kraftwerk Rarities for sale.... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo Sent: 16 November 2002 02:44 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? any thoughts? bobm From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 16 00:01:41 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:31:41 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Devo. :-)) Now theres a name I've not heard in a long time...... Didn't they wear flower pots on their heads? Or was that Bill and Ben the flower pot men. ...........lock n load gentlemen!!! Niiiiiiii!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:54 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Yes, Tom, you are correct!! You can't get much more original than > The Residents. And how about DEVO? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:14 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guido Vacano" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > Guido > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 16 00:35:44 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:05:44 +1030 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: LoL!! Thanks for that :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Metallica > > > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > > > couple days? > > > > Or Nik Turner, or Ritchie Blackmore, or.... > > > > M'lud, I refer you to my previous answer... > > "PPPWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH - HONK HONK HONK SNMNMNRRRPHHHHH" > "PPHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRR HONK HONK HONK" > > My learned friend has in fact pointed out to me that that's not how "Silver > Machine" goes... > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > Thank you Mr Turner... > > "Widdlewiddlewiddle I play olde english folk these days dontcha know widdle > widdle widdle" > > (aside) Is that Mr Blackmore? > > Yes m'lud, I believe so. > > "widdlewiddlewiddlewaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa" > > Could you ask him to shut up please? > > I'll try m'lud. > > "widdlewiddlewiddle" > > MR BLACKMORE! > > "NoodlenoodlenoodleItoughtYngwieallheknowsnoodlewiddlewiddlescallopedfretboa > rdwiddle" > > SHUT THE **** UP! > > "HONK HONK HONK PPPPHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" > > And you Mister Turner! > > "dagadagadagadagadahgadagadagadagadaghadagadagafdagaTHESEBOOTSAREMADEFORWALK > INGdagadagadagadaga" > > Oh bollocks - who let Mr Mustaine in here? > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > "I'm better than Ian Anderson you know tweedle deedle Bones of Elvis HONK > HONK HONK" > > "widdlewiddlepointless noodle widdlewiddle > ThatbastardDaveHill'sgotnothingonmewhenitcomestovibratowiddlewiddle" > > Oh f*** > > "DAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADA" > > (aside) I he going to come up with an ironic album title soon? > > I believe so m'lud > > "HONK HONK HONK" > > (aside) Has he not gone home yet? > > You'll be ****ing lucky m'lud > > "noodlenoodle... > > Repeat ad nauseam. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I believe I did this joke some time ago...) :-) > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 16 00:36:46 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:06:46 +1030 Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? Message-ID: I should have my first taste of Kraftwerk one day soon.... me hopes.... I think teehee und some Tangerine Dream I've never ever heard b4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > If you go to www.soundbytes.org.uk I believe they still have Kraftwerk > Rarities for sale.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo > Sent: 16 November 2002 02:44 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > any thoughts? > bobm > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Nov 16 03:38:01 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:38:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? Message-ID: .Kraftwerk!! - Autobahn was quite strange and ketchy at the time.....and was one of those "secrect albums" that was kewl to listen to from time to time while packing a bowl Tangerine Dream, along a similar vein, were also quite intriguing to listen at about 3 or four in the morning while chilling out....and for something completely different.....whattabout the Fugs..."Slum Godess from the Lower East Side" , I think is quite an original; song..made me laugh when I first heard it when no other did... for that matter, not that the music in particular was original...they were quite before their time, and lastly, for this particular dissertation, which is of utmost unimportance, David Allen Coe. A country genre, he can be quite hilarious from time to time if one has ever listened to his non-official releases...thougth not quite musically original, most definitely hysterical lyrycally...Original lyrics rate right up there with melodies..... Wow!..now, that is one extreme to another....after having had a few drinks and reading some of thest e-mails...thought I'd add more viewpoints for whatever it's worth......That is my sporadic ramble to this list....... -- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > I should have my first taste of Kraftwerk one day soon.... me hopes.... I > think teehee und some Tangerine Dream I've never ever heard b4 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Fagin > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > > > If you go to www.soundbytes.org.uk I believe they still have Kraftwerk > > Rarities for sale.... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo > > Sent: 16 November 2002 02:44 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > > > any thoughts? > > bobm > > > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 16 03:56:45 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:56:45 -0700 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Solaris?? Pam Richard Lockwood wrote: > Erm... > > A cover version is hardly "new" is it? > > And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to Radio 3 > (or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then tell > me that King Crimson were original... > > Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely > "intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, HW, > etc etc etc. > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > Guido > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Richard, Would you by chance have the original of that joke? I failed too keep it, and thought it was a hoot! I also failed to send it to my buddy that got me into Hawkwind! It was about the funniest thing I'd read for a bit, and needed that! Thanks, Pam Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > > > couple days? > > > > Or Nik Turner, or Ritchie Blackmore, or.... > > > > M'lud, I refer you to my previous answer... > > "PPPWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH - HONK HONK HONK SNMNMNRRRPHHHHH" > "PPHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRR HONK HONK HONK" > > My learned friend has in fact pointed out to me that that's not how "Silver > Machine" goes... > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > Thank you Mr Turner... > > "Widdlewiddlewiddle I play olde english folk these days dontcha know widdle > widdle widdle" > > (aside) Is that Mr Blackmore? > > Yes m'lud, I believe so. > > "widdlewiddlewiddlewaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa" > > Could you ask him to shut up please? > > I'll try m'lud. > > "widdlewiddlewiddle" > > MR BLACKMORE! > > "NoodlenoodlenoodleItoughtYngwieallheknowsnoodlewiddlewiddlescallopedfretboa > rdwiddle" > > SHUT THE **** UP! > > "HONK HONK HONK PPPPHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" > > And you Mister Turner! > > "dagadagadagadagadahgadagadagadagadaghadagadagafdagaTHESEBOOTSAREMADEFORWALK > INGdagadagadagadaga" > > Oh bollocks - who let Mr Mustaine in here? > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > "I'm better than Ian Anderson you know tweedle deedle Bones of Elvis HONK > HONK HONK" > > "widdlewiddlepointless noodle widdlewiddle > ThatbastardDaveHill'sgotnothingonmewhenitcomestovibratowiddlewiddle" > > Oh f*** > > "DAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADA" > > (aside) I he going to come up with an ironic album title soon? > > I believe so m'lud > > "HONK HONK HONK" > > (aside) Has he not gone home yet? > > You'll be ****ing lucky m'lud > > "noodlenoodle... > > Repeat ad nauseam. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I believe I did this joke some time ago...) :-) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I'm in the mood for strange and ketchupy ;-) As soon as I get my Les Paul flametop (one day) I think I will set fire to my old guitar...... Nahhhhhhhh - I won't - but it is a fun to think that when the sustain dies away much too soon in the higher octaves during a good solo that Im recording..... mumble grumble smeging smegger mummble etc ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > .Kraftwerk!! - Autobahn was quite strange and ketchy at the time.....and was > one of those "secrect albums" that was kewl to listen to from time to time > while packing a bowl Tangerine Dream, along a similar vein, were also > quite intriguing to listen at about 3 or four in the morning while chilling > out....and for something completely different.....whattabout the > Fugs..."Slum Godess from the Lower East Side" , I think is quite an > original; song..made me laugh when I first heard it when no other did... for > that matter, not that the music in particular was original...they were quite > before their time, and lastly, for this particular dissertation, which is of > utmost unimportance, David Allen Coe. A country genre, he can be quite > hilarious from time to time if one has ever listened to his non-official > releases...thougth not quite musically original, most definitely hysterical > lyrycally...Original lyrics rate right up there with melodies..... > > Wow!..now, that is one extreme to another....after having had a few drinks > and reading some of thest e-mails...thought I'd add more viewpoints for > whatever it's worth......That is my sporadic ramble to this list....... > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > > > I should have my first taste of Kraftwerk one day soon.... me hopes.... I > > think teehee und some Tangerine Dream I've never ever heard b4 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ben Fagin > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > > > > > > If you go to www.soundbytes.org.uk I believe they still have Kraftwerk > > > Rarities for sale.... > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > > > Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo > > > Sent: 16 November 2002 02:44 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: OFF: "originals": Kraftwerk? > > > > > > any thoughts? > > > bobm > > > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 04:37:03 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:37:03 -0000 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: Sadly not Pam, but you should be able to find it in the archives - but I can never remember where they live either. I'm sure someone can tell us. :-) Cheers, R. > Richard, > Would you by chance have the original of that joke? I failed too keep it, and > thought it was a hoot! > I also failed to send it to my buddy that got me into Hawkwind! > It was about the funniest thing I'd read for a bit, and needed that! > Thanks, > Pam > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > > > > couple days? > > > From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 04:44:11 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:44:11 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > *Hawkwind fan: since about 1980/1, first saw them on the Mike Moorcock "Time Out of Mind" BBC Documentary, then listening to Live 79 in my cousin's car on the way to gigs (The Jam, Costello, The Stranglers etc at the soon to be demolished -as I understand it - Cornwall Coliseum) > > *how many CD's: 70ish I guess, excluding live recordings > > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: Yes to live recordings - about 300 gigs including F&Rs, no to other stuff (other than research material for a potential biography) > > *why a Hawkwind fan: There's a quote in Jon Savage's book "Englands Dreaming" wherein Malcom Garrett, talking about his influences when designing for the Buzzcocks, discusses his Hawkwind influences "They were completely divorced from the music industry: this family unit with Barney Bubbles and the dancers and the lights. When you went to see them you entered this whole experience, even without the drugs" To me, this pretty neatly sums up the appeal! > > *First album you picked up: I *think* it was QSAM - I liked Spirit of the Age from Live 79 and got this album because it was on it..couldn't believe how different the versions where, and got a clue that there was something very different about this band. > > *Seen live how many times: about 15 times > *Nik or Dave: Dave. Ian From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 04:46:00 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:46:00 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Sorry Pam, you've lost me there! :-) Cheers, Rich. > Solaris?? > Pam > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > Erm... > > > > A cover version is hardly "new" is it? > > > > And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to Radio 3 > > (or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then tell > > me that King Crimson were original... > > > > Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely > > "intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, HW, > > etc etc etc. > > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > > > Guido > > > > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 04:47:04 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:47:04 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Yup - that's them. (And Bill and Ben). :-) A great band. Cheers, Rich. > Devo. :-)) Now theres a name I've not heard in a long time...... > > Didn't they wear flower pots on their heads? Or was that Bill and Ben the > flower pot men. > > ...........lock n load gentlemen!!! > > Niiiiiiii!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > Yes, Tom, you are correct!! You can't get much more original than > > The Residents. And how about DEVO? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:14 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > > > The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Guido Vacano" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM > > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with > something > > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > > > Guido > > > > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 16 05:59:09 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 05:59:09 -0500 Subject: Forget Metallica/We are DEVO Message-ID: Actually the flower pots came later. They are originally from this area. There was a industrial shop in town that sold protective clothing. Thats where they got the goggles and jumpsuits etc. I never saw them, because I didn't live around here then, but I heard most of the punks would throw stuff at them. Thats why they wore the suits. They didn't get any popularity until they went to California. The Pre Are we not men is alot different. If you can find any its worth getting. THere very rare though. The original version of Jocko Homo is amazing. Much better than the LP version. Cheer Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Devo. :-)) Now theres a name I've not heard in a long time...... > > Didn't they wear flower pots on their heads? Or was that Bill and Ben the > flower pot men. > > ...........lock n load gentlemen!!! > > Niiiiiiii!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > Yes, Tom, you are correct!! You can't get much more original than > > The Residents. And how about DEVO? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:14 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > > > The Residents (Dan...I think you were about to mention these guys...) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Guido Vacano" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:00 AM > > Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with > something > > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > > > Guido > > > > > From lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 06:00:21 2002 From: lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:00:21 -0000 Subject: HW: NIK: Metallica/Nik Joke In-Reply-To: <3DD60BF6.D4718B5E@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Anyone who plays with Dave Brock will be good, when he has finished with them they should go back to what they're best at...... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Cliff & Pam Wheaton Sent: 16 November 2002 09:12 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Metallica Richard, Would you by chance have the original of that joke? I failed too keep it, and thought it was a hoot! I also failed to send it to my buddy that got me into Hawkwind! It was about the funniest thing I'd read for a bit, and needed that! Thanks, Pam Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > Yeah, but what normal person could stand Dave [Mustaine] for more than a > > > couple days? > > > > Or Nik Turner, or Ritchie Blackmore, or.... > > > > M'lud, I refer you to my previous answer... > > "PPPWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH - HONK HONK HONK SNMNMNRRRPHHHHH" > "PPHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRR HONK HONK HONK" > > My learned friend has in fact pointed out to me that that's not how "Silver > Machine" goes... > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > Thank you Mr Turner... > > "Widdlewiddlewiddle I play olde english folk these days dontcha know widdle > widdle widdle" > > (aside) Is that Mr Blackmore? > > Yes m'lud, I believe so. > > "widdlewiddlewiddlewaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa" > > Could you ask him to shut up please? > > I'll try m'lud. > > "widdlewiddlewiddle" > > MR BLACKMORE! > > "NoodlenoodlenoodleItoughtYngwieallheknowsnoodlewiddlewiddlescallopedfre tboa > rdwiddle" > > SHUT THE **** UP! > > "HONK HONK HONK PPPPHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" > > And you Mister Turner! > > "dagadagadagadagadahgadagadagadagadaghadagadagafdagaTHESEBOOTSAREMADEFOR WALK > INGdagadagadagadaga" > > Oh bollocks - who let Mr Mustaine in here? > > "HONK HONK HONK PWWWWAAAAAAAAAA, FREEEP FREEEEP PHHHWAAAAHHHHHH" > > "I'm better than Ian Anderson you know tweedle deedle Bones of Elvis HONK > HONK HONK" > > "widdlewiddlepointless noodle widdlewiddle > ThatbastardDaveHill'sgotnothingonmewhenitcomestovibratowiddlewiddle" > > Oh f*** > > "DAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADAGADA" > > (aside) I he going to come up with an ironic album title soon? > > I believe so m'lud > > "HONK HONK HONK" > > (aside) Has he not gone home yet? > > You'll be ****ing lucky m'lud > > "noodlenoodle... > > Repeat ad nauseam. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I believe I did this joke some time ago...) :-) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Yeh - that's right - it's out now and we are getting it in to order altho I elected not to carry it for stock on the grounds that I figured sod all people would want the thing. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Cosmic Overdrive > Received this 'Priority Information' leaflet from Key Mail Order selling the > above named triple CD containing Brixton Sundown 3oth December 1972 > (presumably previously released as Space Ritual 2), Cambridge 1971 (Text of > Festival) and Wembley Empire 1973 (the dreadfull Uru Gagarin)? Can anyone > confirm? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Nov 16 11:25:52 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:25:52 -0700 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Sorry, I just had that cut on my mind, It's hilarious. So if not "Louie Louie" (or "Ruthie Ruthie" for that matter), how about the REST of _Uncle Meat_? Or _Lumpy Gravy_? :-) Certainly, Crimson is influenced by classical music, but I still believe that Wetton-era Crimson was stunningly original. Anyway, it all boils down to one's definition of "original". You could argue that all music is unoriginal because notes are used (very derivative). Oh well, music has all been downhill from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway. But it's still a lot of fun. Guido Richard Lockwood wrote: >Erm... > >A cover version is hardly "new" is it? > >And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to Radio 3 >(or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then tell >me that King Crimson were original... > >Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely >"intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, HW, >etc etc etc. > > > > > >>Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >> >> >>>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something >>>genuinely new, not just a new twist. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie >>Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). >> >>Guido >> >> >> > > > From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 12:43:08 2002 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:43:08 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <18C0hi-1zl6i9C@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: > >*Hawkwind fan: First heard them in 1978, but I didn't appreciate just how good they were until I seen them live for the first time in 1984. > >*how many CD's: About 30. > >*collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: I've got a few live tapes, but I wouldn't call myself a collector. > >*why a Hawkwind fan: So many styles, its all good! > >*First album you picked up: Warrior. > >*Seen live how many times: Lost count now. > >*Nik or Dave: Dave. Cheers, Jas. From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 16 12:51:48 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:51:48 -0700 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Talking about original stuff? P Richard Lockwood wrote: > Sorry Pam, you've lost me there! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > Solaris?? > > Pam > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > Erm... > > > > > > A cover version is hardly "new" is it? > > > > > > And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to > Radio 3 > > > (or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then > tell > > > me that King Crimson were original... > > > > > > Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely > > > "intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, > HW, > > > etc etc etc. > > > > > > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > > > >So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with > something > > > > >genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > > > > Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > > > > > > > > Guido > > > > > > > > -- > > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace from "Guido Vacano" at Nov 16, 2002 09:25:52 AM Message-ID: > > Sorry, I just had that cut on my mind, It's hilarious. So if not "Louie > Louie" (or "Ruthie Ruthie" for that matter), how about the REST of > _Uncle Meat_? Or _Lumpy Gravy_? :-) > > Certainly, Crimson is influenced by classical music, but I still believe > that Wetton-era Crimson was stunningly original. Anyway, it all boils > down to one's definition of "original". You could argue that all music > is unoriginal because notes are used (very derivative). > > Oh well, music has all been downhill from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony > anyway. But it's still a lot of fun. > > Guido They steal, but obscurely. The middle section of "Moonchild" is from a chinese ritual for Guan-yin (I was floored in class in college when I saw a video of the ceremony and immediately recognised the music) and Ba-Boom is by the Kodo drummers (introduced by Koko as being unusual for being in 7/8 time). I noticed that neither of these were properly credited in the liners... rather hypocritical on Fripp's part given his soapboxing for artists rights. Bill From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Nov 16 13:16:31 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:16:31 -0500 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: B'Boom) In-Reply-To: <20021116175640.57E683C14A@hurl.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: > They steal, but obscurely. > The middle section of "Moonchild" is from a chinese ritual for Guan-yin >(I was floored in class in college when I saw a video of the ceremony and >immediately recognised the music) and Ba-Boom is by the Kodo drummers >(introduced by Koko as being unusual for being in 7/8 time). I noticed that >neither of these were properly credited in the liners... rather hypocritical >on Fripp's part given his soapboxing for artists rights. I remember an interview w/ Bruford and Pat M. during the double trio era where they talked about the drumming and from whence they got their ideas from as a dual percussion batterie. Something similar to Kodo drummers was mentioned... as well as something abou ritual drumming contests. I dont remember what the middle part of Moonchild was... I do know in the bookelt that comes with the Epitaph box that The end thing was just them in the studio playing off each other and they had to fight to include that on the album. Either way, diggin' the "Be happy with what you have to be happy with" EP. And waiting for the Ladies of the Road 2disc set. J From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Nov 16 14:53:28 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:53:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: originalty Message-ID: Nothing hurts the ears more than waking up, turning on the tube, expecting the weather and getting Phil Collins singing The Temptations' "Get Ready." God i feel ill. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Nov 16 15:07:45 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:07:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: originalty Message-ID: Ditto Most of Phil Collins solo stuff makes me feel ill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: OFF: originalty > Nothing hurts the ears more than waking up, turning on the tube, expecting > the weather > and getting Phil Collins singing The Temptations' "Get Ready." > > God i feel ill. > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 18:56:37 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:56:37 -0000 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: One band who did show a lot of originality was Inner City Unit. Even if it was only the originality of throwing in the same old components and squirting them back out in a very different mix. Oh for that originality now - please bring it back Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about > > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a > pretty > > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. > > Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on > its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them. > Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom. However, (and this is a discussion we've > been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely > original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so? The > vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on Chuck > Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock 'n' > roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many > cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s? (Which in its turn > started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals). > > The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my gob > shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite bands) > were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was hardly > brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical side - > nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle). > > Venom? Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead, which > in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll. > > See my point? Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with good > reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock > records. > > So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's > > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after "Justice". > > First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master of > Puppets. Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after > it. > > > > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never > struck > > me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to > > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most unicellular > > life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I > > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really the > > only guy who didn't sell out.) > > It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of > the lot of 'em! > > > > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band that > > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! > > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! > > Hear hear. Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!) :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 00:21:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:51:28 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: I would like to record an album only using the gods (law or chaos) tied to a variety of objects made from fine timber and beat them with either a stick or tortured with spiky objects. I would also employ some small furry animals (volunteers of course) to add to the tonal variety at different intervals. For the Tenor section I think George Dubya - John Howard - and a few other world leaders would set the mood quite nice. I may need some help tho.... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Guido Vacano To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Sorry, I just had that cut on my mind, It's hilarious. So if not "Louie > Louie" (or "Ruthie Ruthie" for that matter), how about the REST of > _Uncle Meat_? Or _Lumpy Gravy_? :-) > > Certainly, Crimson is influenced by classical music, but I still believe > that Wetton-era Crimson was stunningly original. Anyway, it all boils > down to one's definition of "original". You could argue that all music > is unoriginal because notes are used (very derivative). > > Oh well, music has all been downhill from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony > anyway. But it's still a lot of fun. > > Guido > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >Erm... > > > >A cover version is hardly "new" is it? > > > >And I knew someone would mention King Crimson - but have a listen to Radio 3 > >(or your local Classical music station - not sure where you are). Then tell > >me that King Crimson were original... > > > >Mind you, Robert Fripp married Toyah. Bastard!!! :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > >ps. Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking anyone, it's a purely > >"intellectual" argument. I love Zappa and KC - and Motorhead, Venom, HW, > >etc etc etc. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Richard Lockwood wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > >>>genuinely new, not just a new twist. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>King Crimson. Frank Zappa (have you ever heard his version of "Louie > >>Louie" on _Uncle Meat_? :-) ). > >> > >>Guido > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 00:26:23 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:56:23 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Well those guys nicked it from the gods in the first place :-P ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradley To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:26 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > Sorry, I just had that cut on my mind, It's hilarious. So if not "Louie > > Louie" (or "Ruthie Ruthie" for that matter), how about the REST of > > _Uncle Meat_? Or _Lumpy Gravy_? :-) > > > > Certainly, Crimson is influenced by classical music, but I still believe > > that Wetton-era Crimson was stunningly original. Anyway, it all boils > > down to one's definition of "original". You could argue that all music > > is unoriginal because notes are used (very derivative). > > > > Oh well, music has all been downhill from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony > > anyway. But it's still a lot of fun. > > > > Guido > > They steal, but obscurely. > The middle section of "Moonchild" is from a chinese ritual for Guan-yin > (I was floored in class in college when I saw a video of the ceremony and > immediately recognised the music) and Ba-Boom is by the Kodo drummers > (introduced by Koko as being unusual for being in 7/8 time). I noticed that > neither of these were properly credited in the liners... rather hypocritical > on Fripp's part given his soapboxing for artists rights. > > Bill > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 00:28:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:58:09 +1030 Subject: OFF: originalty Message-ID: LoL!!! All I get is the screaching of my alarm. So I'm told....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:37 AM Subject: Re: OFF: originalty > Ditto > > Most of Phil Collins solo stuff makes me feel ill. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:53 PM > Subject: OFF: originalty > > > > Nothing hurts the ears more than waking up, turning on the tube, expecting > > the weather > > and getting Phil Collins singing The Temptations' "Get Ready." > > > > God i feel ill. > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 00:38:47 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:08:47 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: I was very blessed to recieve some ICU cd's last year. I still enjoy listening to it very much and where my music is concerned (literally) has a place on the same shelf as my Hawkwind - LLG - Ali Davey - etc etc etc. There is a bunch of stuff - too numerous to recall on such a hot day ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > One band who did show a lot of originality was Inner City Unit. Even if it > was only the originality of throwing in the same old components and > squirting them back out in a very different mix. > Oh for that originality now - please bring it back > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:49 AM > Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > > > > > > > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality. Back in the day (about > > > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a > > pretty > > > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over. > > > > Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on > > its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them. > > Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom. However, (and this is a discussion > we've > > been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely > > original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so? The > > vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on > Chuck > > Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock > 'n' > > roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many > > cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s? (Which in its turn > > started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals). > > > > The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my > gob > > shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite > bands) > > were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was > hardly > > brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical > side - > > nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle). > > > > Venom? Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead, > which > > in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll. > > > > See my point? Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with > good > > reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock > > records. > > > > So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something > > genuinely new, not just a new twist. > > > > > > > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's > > > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after > "Justice". > > > > First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master > of > > Puppets. Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after > > it. > > > > > > > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again. He's never > > struck > > > me as being particularly perceptive. Maybe he just looks smart next to > > > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most > unicellular > > > life. Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed... (I > > > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really > the > > > only guy who didn't sell out.) > > > > It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of > > the lot of 'em! > > > > > > > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead. That's the band > that > > > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality! > > > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come! > > > > Hear hear. Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!) :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Nov 17 02:37:56 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:37:56 -0600 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: Einsturtsende Neubauten...... Chainsaws, drills, assorted oddities which somehow combined to make music. Would have liked to have seen their stage act.... Contrived, perhaps, but someone had to do it, they did. and it was unique in a sometimes abrasive way. (Original? maybe forcefully so...) Still think Col. Bruce Hampton's Aquarium Rescue Unit music, though musically perhaps not original for the most part due to fragmented influences, at least lyrically it is, and he has turned the most obvious into something completely different. Ok..that can belong to the "twisted influences" category, though definitely not lyrically and are cited as influences among certain circles. This dude is straaaaaange in a kewl way. Sun Ra from a jazzy perspective was certainly original in his approach.... And OK... Robert Johnson, who was a godfather of most modern rock influences, without whom I wonder where music would have gone today without that....most of what we hear today in Rock anyway is derived from his influence along with newer amplified technology and creative twists on the same themes. Robert Mayall, Yardbirds, Zepp, etc, and what came thereafter which was a twist of those influences was a direct result of that alone and in conjunction with Celtic influences. Technology has made it possible then to derive new sounds from that, amplify it,and indirectly were influenced by a conglomeration of what had already been done. Ther is no getting around that. Ooooops....rambling again.....one extreme leads to another....what came first...the chicken or the egg kind of questions......Amplified Polka beats with strange electronic sounds emanating, I do not think would go over too well, however, though if that was all there was to go by, what would the state of music be today? A simplistic and admittedly moronic viewpoint, despite all of that, where the hell did Barry Manilow, Helen Reddy and Phil Collins and "ho-Ho-Ho-It;s Magic", et al...come from, by god. Freaks of nature. G'night. Oooops ....just got home after a few...so forgive these ramblings.... Will read this again in the morning and wish I could have deleted this... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 02:48:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:18:28 +1030 Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) Message-ID: ..... and Robert Johnson sold his soul to da devil baby..... dont forget that hehehe If the gods taught us our musical foundations.... who taught them?? etc ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) > Einsturtsende Neubauten...... > > Chainsaws, drills, assorted oddities which somehow combined to make music. > Would have liked to have seen their stage act.... > > Contrived, perhaps, but someone had to do it, they did. and it was unique in > a sometimes abrasive way. > > (Original? maybe forcefully so...) > > Still think Col. Bruce Hampton's Aquarium Rescue Unit music, though > musically perhaps not original for the most part due to fragmented > influences, at least lyrically it is, and he has turned the most obvious > into something completely different. Ok..that can belong to the "twisted > influences" category, though definitely not lyrically and are cited as > influences among certain circles. This dude is straaaaaange in a kewl way. > > Sun Ra from a jazzy perspective was certainly original in his approach.... > > And OK... Robert Johnson, who was a godfather of most modern rock > influences, without whom I wonder where music would have gone today without > that....most of what we hear today in Rock anyway is derived from his > influence along with newer amplified technology and creative twists on the > same themes. Robert Mayall, Yardbirds, Zepp, etc, and what came thereafter > which was a twist of those influences was a direct result of that alone and > in conjunction with Celtic influences. Technology has made it possible > then to derive new sounds from that, amplify it,and indirectly were > influenced by a conglomeration of what had already been done. Ther is no > getting around that. > > Ooooops....rambling again.....one extreme leads to another....what came > first...the chicken or the egg kind of questions......Amplified Polka beats > with strange electronic sounds emanating, I do not think would go over too > well, however, though if that was all there was to go by, what would the > state of music be today? > > A simplistic and admittedly moronic viewpoint, despite all of that, where > the hell did Barry Manilow, Helen Reddy and Phil Collins and "ho-Ho-Ho-It;s > Magic", et al...come from, by god. Freaks of nature. > > G'night. > > Oooops ....just got home after a few...so forgive these ramblings.... > > Will read this again in the morning and wish I could have deleted this... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 03:51:03 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:21:03 +1030 Subject: Concerned Message-ID: Has anyone heard from Chuck Rosenberg in the past two weeks? and is he ok? From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 17 09:18:44 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:18:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Warrior Box Offer Message-ID: OK folks... So, after two months of living here in Baden, Schweiz, I *finally* find the cool CD store! Silly me, I thought *all* the businesses would be listed in the "Gelben Seiten" but no! Apparently only the ones that *pay*! Zero-zero (the store's name) didn't get even a line listing. But the place does exist and if you are strolling around the streets looking for a new easier way to get from the Weite Gasse shopping district to the bus station in the rain, you might just find yourself walking past said establishment by sheer luck. And then if you find it's open, and take a walk inside, you then discover they have a vast array of wonderful music...though at terribly high prices. :) So....once I discover that the back room is where all the 'rock' stuff is, I find large numbers of interesting items by many German bands (whole card-divided sections for Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru, and the like) and yes, even a healthy Hawkwind section *not* dominated by reissue rubbish! To my surprise, a Dojo Warrior on the Edge of Time is included. (They only have the booklet in a sleeve on display to save shelf space and prevent theft, but I believe it is still 'new' as the used CDs seemed to be elsewhere.) No price was listed, but I think the std. price in these circumstances is CHF 31,90 which is equivalent to $22/Euro22 or UKP14. But I didn't buy it. *Because* instead I bought the Griffin boxset that they had on the separate shelf for such over-size items, still shrinkwrapped. For those who don't know, this is the release with the Godwin-penned collector's book, that also has some short interview text in the back. Hence, just a 'one-CD' box. It also has "Motorhead" tacked onto the end of the CD. It was CHF 42,00, which translates to $29/Euro29 or UKP18.50. OK, so...I've already got one (actually I have both of these releases back in the USA, the Dojo copy signed by NikT and so I never ditched that when I got the Griffin box too...and I'm not now either), so I picked it up for some lucky person on this list who needs it. I'll only ask for straight-up costs (I'm not into profiting for no other reason than being in the right place at the right time), and I can accept both US and Euro(pean) currency, and in a pinch could deal with Aussie$ too (since I work with one who is shortly going 'home' for the holidays and so I could probably 'trade' with her). I will also shortly (within one month's time) be in both the UK and US myself, so if this person is willing to be patient (and happens to be in one of these two countries) you have the opportunity for cheap shipping costs too (or even none if you will be in Walthamstow Dec. 13). I'll do this first come, first served (the US way, which maybe isn't the way they do things here in Switzerland, renting an apartment without this benefit being my first clue), so write (right) now to 'reserve.' First person who responds wanting the box, gets the box (if that's what they want). Second person who wants the CD in any form, gets me to go back this coming weekend and pick up the other (stand-alone) copy (assuming it's still there...likely, if it's this old and still "new") for CHF32. I'd rather that both of these go to folks who don't have the CD in any form (rather than someone just filling a 'kollektion' hole for only this reason), but if you, say, have the Dojo disc and *really* want the 'box set' version, I won't stop you. (Especially if you then went and passed off the Dojo one to someone else who's been looking for some time.) Anyway, yesterday was a miserable nasty rainy day and I was pissed off about the damn laundry machines in my building not working and having to dry my clothes in my apartment (which wasn't working so well since it was already so damn humid in there), so I just left to go into the 'city' to waste time and forget about something that should have been so minor, and lo and behold, a cool CD store! And the guy speaks English too! For myself, I only bought the 'new' Nektar CD, a live in the studio set from 1974 that was previously unreleased including songs that never were otherwise recorded. It came out alongside a new 2CD version of "Sunday Night at the Roundhouse" that has that entire show included, which I'll have to get next time I feel a little richer. They also had the Man in the Moon CD (which I will get too sometime, though I have had the LP since c. 1983). But not the new Remember the Future CD properly remastered (which *does* now finally exist!). Oh, they didn't really have anything else terribly exciting Hawkwind-wise, no 25 Years On (I traded mine away years ago not knowing it's rarity, so if they had it I woulda gotten it for myself), no Quark, so don't bother asking. :) They did have a Space Ritual remaster, which coulda been the digipak version, not sure (like I said, only the booklets were included). But this is now available as jewel box version, so not terribly rare in a sense. But anyway, if someone particularly wants the digipak version of this, I could look into that for you next visit and get back to you. Note: Probably about 40 CHF or more for this! Grakkl (FAA) respond by personal email only, bitte....keith.henderson at psi.ch P.S. Nektar trivia...Brooke Shields is the cover model on the terrible "Magic is a Child" album. Interesting possibilities for Hawkwind-linkages (Calvert appearing with Nektar on one album) into the entire acting domain! If you call what Brooke Shields does "acting." From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 17 11:43:25 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:43:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Man Message-ID: Man - Basel, Switzerland (Kaserne, Parterre) - 10 Nov. 2002 Well, ironically, it's all because of Lemmy that I learned of this gig. (Ironic 'cause Man were Hawkwind's most common touring mates back when Lemmy was aboard.) Mot?rhead had just finished christening the newly-refurbished 'Reithalle' theatre inside the Kaserne in (Klein)Basel on the banks of the River Rhein. That show was Friday night to a sold-out audience of 1,200 or so and was as usual a blinder. Upon exit of that show, I then noticed the "MAN" poster on a utility pole promixal to the building, and so there I was again at the Kaserne just two days later, on a Sunday night that turned out to be a little too long for my tastes (me being on a 'normal' working schedule these days). The gig was advertised with a sole time-listing of 20:00, which sadly turned out to be the 'Door' time, the music intended to start at 21:00 (9 o'clock in more familiar terms). That would have been just fine...the scraggly-looking bunch of us in the front foyer section of the Parterre 'club' enjoying a few aperitifs (Hmmm...why only Heineken on draft, whereas the Feldschlosschen brewery is just a stone's throw away?!) while we could hear the soundcheck coming from the larger room behind the big sliding door. "Yeah, that sounds like Man to me." But then 21:00 came, and we all funnelled into the actual 'music room,' perhaps 120 strong ready for some live action. An opening act was expected, but I couldn't overhear anything but puzzlement from those around the Man merchandising table as to just who this was supposed to be. So then 40 minutes of precious time had come and gone (other folks were restless too, not just me!), and *finally* one dude (that I'd seen earlier in the bar) comes out and saunters up onto the stage and straps on a guitar and plays some useless jangly stuff. Later, he would turn on a drum machine (which was awful) and play with that for some time, and eventually got two other buddies to join him on drums and saxophone. Around then, the music started to resemble something of mild interest, but by then, I was already rueing the day this particular individual was ever born, as I knew that Man was going to go on stage way later than the 10:00 stage time I had seen posted in the bar (again, that would have been ok...Lemmy had walked on at that same time Friday, and I got to my train on time without missing anything significant). So anyway, I did learn the name of this opening act, but I'm not going to tell you who it was for fear of doing something to promote this person's "music." 'Cause I think he was entirely responsible for the lack of 'perfect Swiss timing' on this night. Man's stage manager guy came partially to the rescue by quickly shooing them and their gear off the stage (he grabbing stuff and carrying it off himself at one point). And so it was a short turn-around and Deke Leonard and crew stepped up at 10:40 to begin. Of course, the stuff I was most interested in was going to be at the end, and the last train home was (sigh) 11:48. However, I had discovered in the Basel train station itself that one final late train departs at 12:30 and goes east *almost* all the way back to Baden (ending one stop short in Brugg, which of course is why it never appears on the online schedule when putting 'Baden' in the destination field). Well, ok, I can walk from Brugg though it's quite some ways (6 km). Anyway, so I decide I will stay as long as I possibly can, which still wasn't quite long enough...but at least I made it to the encore instead of leaving right in the middle of the set! OK...Micky Jones isn't quite so healthy these days, so the five-piece Man band this night featured one George Jones on guitar, the surname not being purely coincidence. Of course, this is Micky's son. Keyboardist Phil Ryan, who has seemingly come and gone recently from the lineup, was also not there replaced by Gareth Thorrington once more. The standard Leonard (guitar, vocals), Martin Ace (bass, vocals), and Bob Richards (drums) triumvirate completed the picture. Deke is looking his age I should say, and now bears a remarkable resemblance to comedian George Carlin. Most of the first part of the show is to promote the latest releases of course, so we hear four tracks from the 2000 studio release "Endangered Species." The highlight from among these was the 10-minute opener "Conflict of Interest" which was part of the live set starting a number of years ago when it was known as "Do It." We got our first taste of George's guitar work, which was not only more 'modern-styled' than what Dad would have played, it was also quite good. And not really out-of-place either, if that's what you were thinking I meant - he's a talented kid who always kept himself well within the scope of the whole-band-concept-thing. After this tune, Deke took a moment to compliment the Swiss obsession with cleanliness...in the process slagging Germany as always being 'so dirty' (where they'd just spent the previous week or so touring). He went on to tell about his recent experience in Liverpool when he'd mistakenly ended up in the Basel cheering section during the Champions League football match against the Reds. (Lucky for him he didn't stay in Basel for just two more days and thereby have had to experience the Reds' humiliation at the hands of the 'Rot-Blau' once more as FC Basel eliminated them from the competition by way of a torrid 3-0 first half performance.) Well ok, on they went - "Manillo," an old bluesy-stomp number reborn worked nicely with Deke being in particularly 'sultry' voice, for lack of a better word. "I Always Thought the Walrus was Protected," a song that only appeared on the recent ltd. ed. "Undrugged" CD, was a 'surfier' blues number of Ace's. "Face to Face" saw Thorrington get a chance to do some more work, offering a kind of lazy, squealy synth solo, that in one sense was quite 'cosmic' but also *much* different than Ryan's more fluid style (with lots of runs and stuff). So Thorrington definitely has an interesting and unique style, but unlike George, I don't think he fit in quite as well as a 'replacement' part. Deke switched to his 'bulls-eye' black and white Gibson for "The Ride and the View" (1976 vintage), where he turned it up a notch with lethal slide action. Martin took over lead vocal duties next with "Stuck Behind the Popemobile" which ended with a cool extended march-like outtro. I was already past my turn-around time for safe arrival home and sure enough the jammin' oldies were just to begin. The first of these was a tune that is *very* familiar (I still have it in my head a week later as I write this review), but I haven't been able to come up with the title. I'm pretty sure it was offered as an instrumental and I just can't put a name to the music (without my Man CDs with me in Europe at the moment!). Anyway, it was a great slab of psychedelic jamming with Deke and George tag-teaming it in good form. They wrapped it up with a shorter hard-edged blues number that I didn't recognize and then took a break for the inevitable encore. I think Gareth started up first with a strange synth-swashing intro (again, quite interesting and more appropriate this time!) and then slowly the rhythm section of Ace and Richards started in on what turned out to be "Spunk Rock" with George screaming out the vocals pretty aggressively. I hung on as long as I could - they made it through the entire first 'cut' of the actual song and so I heard maybe the first 6 or 7 minutes before I had to leave. Presumably they went on at least another 10 minutes or so...and who knows, maybe they even hung around for more? ("Bananas" is usually their swansong.) In any case, I left having enjoyed myself but terribly bitter at the nature of public transportation, false advertising, (again) that damn guy from the opener, and anything else I could think of! Oh yeah, and then I forgot that I didn't know the way from Brugg to my home on foot (especially in the dark with no moon visible) and got terribly lost (Gebenstorf! How the hell did I end up here?!) and so I got like 3 hours of sleep before work the next morning. Setlist: Conflict of Interest/Do It Love isn't Love Manillo I Always Thought the Walrus was Protected Face to Face The Ride and the View Stuck Behind the Popemobile ? (10-min. old classic instrumental) ? (short up-tempo bluesy number) ---- Spunk Rock From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 17 13:30:17 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:30:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers All announcement Message-ID: Hey Folks... Alright, I've ignored this long enough. I don't feel like I've got the time to deal with this right now, but then I don't see how waiting is gonna make it any easier. Plus, I won't be doing much other than tracking names and performing organization duties, so... OK, so if you missed the earlier announcements, or if you've forgotten what this is all about, I encourage you to go to the archives and search back about 4-6 weeks ago and look for my earlier posts (with similar headings) which pretty much tell it all. I don't have the time to write it all up again. Look here: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html I'll just tell you again the site where the 8 booklet/tray card images are, and that pretty much sums it up too... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files OK, so I guess just send me your: Name: Mailing Address: E-mail Address: Burner Yes/No*: (only say Yes if you are willing to actually burn, say at least 3 sets of 4 discs!) Send this information to keith.henderson at psi.ch (not the list!). Include any important details like if you're going to be gone for any length of time in the near future (like touring with Hawkwind for instance). I will assemble the tree geographically, of course, but I won't know how it looks until I know how many people are interesting in joining. The idea is that the main branch folks will work out a B&P exchange with the leaves on their branch that I'll choose. If you want to do actual trading with CDR's with actual 'content' (i.e., music) that's entirely up to you. I think maybe I'll just let people download the 8 files themselves and print for themselves. If someone posts/tells me the four colors of the inserts for the original HWCA Cassettes 1-4 (in order please!) then I'll post the intended color scheme for Discs 5-8 and then we can repeat likewise in the future (if anyone decides to continue this endeavor). The idea of sending complete sets to each of the artists included I'll hold off on for now until I can figure out a good way to do it. OK, I think that's all I need to say...except that I would invite the other people from other Hawkwind-related lists (Mr. Forstner, you said you could forward these messages for me?) to join in the proceedings assuming it won't amount to an overwhelming number of people. So go ahead and mail me and please be patient if it takes me a little while to get all my crap together and post again. (Oh yeah, Doug, did you get those tracks "burned down" now?) :) Keith H./Grakkl (FAA) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 17 13:41:02 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:41:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers All announcement Message-ID: Hey... > OK, so if you missed the earlier announcements, or if you've > forgotten what this is all about, I encourage you to go to > the archives and search back about 4-6 weeks ago and look > for my earlier posts (with similar headings) > which pretty much tell it all. I don't have the time to > write it all up again. > > Look here: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html Hmmm...I went and looked and couldn't find it listed in the weekly summary archives (only a couple replies to it)... but it's still there if you do a proper search. This is the address of my original post... http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0209B&L=BOC-L&P=R5102 I think... Keith H./Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Stephen...please forward this too ('cause some people on the other lists probably are clueless?). P.P.S. It was more like 10 weeks ago! Yikes. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Nov 17 18:00:10 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:00:10 -0600 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why In-Reply-To: <20021112220035.36528.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: :a little Hawkwind poll: :*Hawkwind fan: since about 1985 or so. :*how many CD's: ~100 or so. with a bunch on cassette that I'm still upgrading. misc vinyl. :*collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: yep. Although I tend to not go out of my way for such things. Yet..... :*why a Hawkwind fan: Hawkwind is one of the few bands that encapsulates in music what I feel as a science fiction fan. Not that I can describe that further, but I get transported when I listen. At times, it's damn near like a drug, and I crave the music. :*First album you picked up: Live Chronicles, maybe? My memory is a bit fuzzy... :*Seen live how many times: about 20. Not bad considering I live on the wrong damn continent. : :*Nik or Dave: Dave! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 17 20:18:29 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:29 +1030 Subject: HW: Warrior Box Offer Message-ID: If you are 100% sure it is not the misspressed version? I already have a misspress lol ;-) I would love the griffin box set and all if I am in time ;-) Cheers Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Henderson Keith To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: HW: Warrior Box Offer > OK folks... > > So, after two months of living here in Baden, Schweiz, I *finally* find the > cool CD store! Silly me, I thought *all* the businesses would be listed in > the "Gelben Seiten" but no! Apparently only the ones that *pay*! Zero-zero > (the store's name) didn't get even a line listing. But the place does exist > and if you are strolling around the streets looking for a new easier way to > get from the Weite Gasse shopping district to the bus station in the rain, > you might just find yourself walking past said establishment by sheer luck. > And then if you find it's open, and take a walk inside, you then discover > they have a vast array of wonderful music...though at terribly high prices. > :) > > So....once I discover that the back room is where all the 'rock' stuff is, I > find large numbers of interesting items by many German bands (whole > card-divided sections for Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru, and the like) and yes, > even a healthy Hawkwind section *not* dominated by reissue rubbish! To my > surprise, a Dojo Warrior on the Edge of Time is included. (They only have > the booklet in a sleeve on display to save shelf space and prevent theft, > but I believe it is still 'new' as the used CDs seemed to be elsewhere.) No > price was listed, but I think the std. price in these circumstances is CHF > 31,90 which is equivalent to $22/Euro22 or UKP14. > > But I didn't buy it. > > *Because* instead I bought the Griffin boxset that they had on the separate > shelf for such over-size items, still shrinkwrapped. For those who don't > know, this is the release with the Godwin-penned collector's book, that also > has some short interview text in the back. Hence, just a 'one-CD' box. It > also has "Motorhead" tacked onto the end of the CD. It was CHF 42,00, which > translates to $29/Euro29 or UKP18.50. > > OK, so...I've already got one (actually I have both of these releases back > in the USA, the Dojo copy signed by NikT and so I never ditched that when I > got the Griffin box too...and I'm not now either), so I picked it up for > some lucky person on this list who needs it. I'll only ask for straight-up > costs (I'm not into profiting for no other reason than being in the right > place at the right time), and I can accept both US and Euro(pean) currency, > and in a pinch could deal with Aussie$ too (since I work with one who is > shortly going 'home' for the holidays and so I could probably 'trade' with > her). I will also shortly (within one month's time) be in both the UK and > US myself, so if this person is willing to be patient (and happens to be in > one of these two countries) you have the opportunity for cheap shipping > costs too (or even none if you will be in Walthamstow Dec. 13). > > I'll do this first come, first served (the US way, which maybe isn't the way > they do things here in Switzerland, renting an apartment without this > benefit being my first clue), so write (right) now to 'reserve.' > > First person who responds wanting the box, gets the box (if that's what they > want). Second person who wants the CD in any form, gets me to go back this > coming weekend and pick up the other (stand-alone) copy (assuming it's still > there...likely, if it's this old and still "new") for CHF32. I'd rather > that both of these go to folks who don't have the CD in any form (rather > than someone just filling a 'kollektion' hole for only this reason), but if > you, say, have the Dojo disc and *really* want the 'box set' version, I > won't stop you. (Especially if you then went and passed off the Dojo one to > someone else who's been looking for some time.) > > Anyway, yesterday was a miserable nasty rainy day and I was pissed off about > the damn laundry machines in my building not working and having to dry my > clothes in my apartment (which wasn't working so well since it was already > so damn humid in there), so I just left to go into the 'city' to waste time > and forget about something that should have been so minor, and lo and > behold, a cool CD store! And the guy speaks English too! For myself, I > only bought the 'new' Nektar CD, a live in the studio set from 1974 that was > previously unreleased including songs that never were otherwise recorded. > It came out alongside a new 2CD version of "Sunday Night at the Roundhouse" > that has that entire show included, which I'll have to get next time I feel > a little richer. They also had the Man in the Moon CD (which I will get too > sometime, though I have had the LP since c. 1983). But not the new Remember > the Future CD properly remastered (which *does* now finally exist!). > > Oh, they didn't really have anything else terribly exciting Hawkwind-wise, > no 25 Years On (I traded mine away years ago not knowing it's rarity, so if > they had it I woulda gotten it for myself), no Quark, so don't bother > asking. :) They did have a Space Ritual remaster, which coulda been the > digipak version, not sure (like I said, only the booklets were included). > But this is now available as jewel box version, so not terribly rare in a > sense. But anyway, if someone particularly wants the digipak version of > this, I could look into that for you next visit and get back to you. Note: > Probably about 40 CHF or more for this! > > Grakkl (FAA) > respond by personal email only, bitte....keith.henderson at psi.ch > > P.S. Nektar trivia...Brooke Shields is the cover model on the terrible > "Magic is a Child" album. Interesting possibilities for Hawkwind-linkages > (Calvert appearing with Nektar on one album) into the entire acting domain! > If you call what Brooke Shields does "acting." From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 17 21:45:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Queens Message-ID: [apologies if this appears twice, the BOC-L server seems to having problems] -------------------------------------------------------------------- I know Queens of Deliria is rather sought-after, but I just don't like it much as a book - so I'm selling it 8-) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1585346315 if you're interested! For those that don't know it's a fictional account of the Hawklords battle against various multi-dimensional foes. Baron Brock, Hound Master, Captain Calvert, etc.... Steve Litchfield From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Nov 20 03:37:09 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:37:09 +0000 Subject: BOC,TBS:Imaginos Message-ID: Does anyone know if The Brain Surgeons are planning to record any more of the Imaginos saga. I know they did the 'overture' which always makes me smile, but I was thinking of new songs to detail what Imaginos gets up to post WWI. Cheers Neil. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Nov 21 03:27:09 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:27:09 -0500 Subject: BOC,TBS:Imaginos In-Reply-To: <80256C77.002D97A6.00@Dom03.microlise.co.uk> Message-ID: At 08:37 AM 11/20/02 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know if The Brain Surgeons are planning to record any more of >the Imaginos saga. I know they did the 'overture' which always makes me >smile, but I was thinking of new songs to detail what Imaginos gets up to >post WWI. Don't forget "The Girl Who Made Love Blind" on Malpractice -- 'twas intended to be in the mighty songcycle. The november 20th of our lives (doesnt quite have the same ring) Jason From ben at TMK.COM Wed Nov 20 06:52:34 2002 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs 5 oz and 21" long. Woohoo! I'm a dad! [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] Ben From ben at TMK.COM Wed Nov 20 06:53:38 2002 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:53:38 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Listserv down for a bit - back now Message-ID: Listserv ran out of disk space and has been down for probably about a day or so. Things should be back to normal, but some emails have been dropped on the floor. If you sent mail to the list and it hasn't appeared yet, you'll need to resend. Ben (the new dad) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 07:04:06 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:34:06 +1030 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Congratulations Ben!!!! and what beautiful names your son has. "A gift from god - who is like god" Nice choices indeed. :) Bless your new family. All the best. Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cohen To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Nov 20 08:37:28 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:37:28 -0500 Subject: BOC,TBS:Imaginos In-Reply-To: <80256C77.002D97A6.00@Dom03.microlise.co.uk> Message-ID: Huge congrats Ben!! Mike ________________________________ A magician pulls rabbits out of hats. An experimental psychologist pulls habits out of rats. -- Anonymous ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Neil Shilladay ::->Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:37 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: BOC,TBS:Imaginos ::-> ::-> ::->Does anyone know if The Brain Surgeons are planning to record ::->any more of ::->the Imaginos saga. I know they did the 'overture' which always makes me ::->smile, but I was thinking of new songs to detail what Imaginos ::->gets up to ::->post WWI. ::-> ::->Cheers ::->Neil. ::-> ::-> ::-> ::->- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ::->- - - - - - ::->Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are ::->solely those of ::->the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group ::->unless otherwise specifically stated. ::->Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore ::->the Microlise ::->Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this ::->message. ::-> ::->If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in ::->error, please notify Microlise immediately. ::-> ::->Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Nov 20 08:44:45 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:44:45 EST Subject: BOC,TBS:Crossed Guitars Message-ID: If you haven't seen, here's the link to the guitars up for auction on eBay. eBay item 923276803 (Ends Nov-24-02 20:27:02 PST ) - Blue Oyster Cult Epiphone From lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 09:22:34 2002 From: lagerlust at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:34 -0000 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: Hello All, I have started a Yahoo! Group purely for off topic rants. And of course anything about the Hawklords themselves. Moorcock discussion and Social/General discussion welcome. Like Hawkwind? Read Moorcock? Into Motorhead? Does Elton make you sick? Shall we hang the Queen? This is the place to view your airs. The group was inspired by The Hawkwind Sci-Fi Books, the time of the Hawklords, Queens of Deliria & Ledge of Darkness. Also the Crankranters group. Non music posts are welcome. I am not in the habit of censoring any posts! There is legal advice here as well! Home Page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawkranters/ Post message: hawkranters at yahoogroups.com Subscribe: hawkranters-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: hawkranters-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com List owner: hawkranters-owner at yahoogroups.com All welcome! Cheers, Ben. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 20 09:23:17 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:23:17 -0500 Subject: BOC,TBS:Imaginos In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021121032709.0069a918@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Neil wrote: >> Does anyone know if The Brain Surgeons are planning to record any more of >> the Imaginos saga. I know they did the 'overture' which always makes me >> smile, but I was thinking of new songs to detail what Imaginos gets up to >> post WWI. Jason replied: > Don't forget "The Girl Who Made Love Blind" on Malpractice -- 'twas > intended to be in the mighty songcycle. I spew: The way they play "Siege..." live, who knows? It might end up on a record. I don't know about new songs, but you could imagine a lot of Surgeons songs might fit in the cycle already: Lady of the Harbor - Desdinova arriving in US at Ellis Island at the turn of the century. I Play the Drums - Desdinova's living in NYC in the 1990s. The Imaginos business is slow and he could use some family counseling. Instead of taking his frustration out on history, he...you know. Brain From Terra Incognita - Desdinova contemplates running for office in order to screw with history from within. Starts out with some big ideas, but comes across as too cocky ("Only conclusion is, I am your lord.", etc.) and most likely loses the election to a more centrist candidate. Happy New Year - Desdinova's wild night in Times Square. 'Lil Egypt - One of Desdinova's ancient girlfriends comes back as a Mummy and tries to kill him? I'd have to consult the lyrics. Biloxi - Desdinova taking a break from the whole "Imaginos thing" and enjoying the sunset for once without all those annoying oysters bothering him with their "we understand, we understand..." I'm sure there's more. Anyway, if you're looking for Imaginos in Brain Surgeons music, it just takes a little imagination. Brian obYell> "Cappuccino!" From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Nov 20 09:52:10 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:52:10 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN:Imaginos Message-ID: > The way they play "Siege..." live, who knows? It might end up > on a record. or a live album, perhaps? I remember waaaay back, a long time ago in the early 1950s (slap) (ETL and Email don't mix.) Seriously, back in 93/94 or so I remember Albert wrote up a quick list of songs that he was particularly fond of, and cited "siege" as the heaviest song to bear the BOC label. Its now, in 2002, the heaviest song to bear the tBS label, live at least. In studio, I'd have to vouch for some of the tunage on Trep and Box of Hammers. Piece of Work has heavy moments, but they're... indirect, like a heaviness of atmosphere v. the poundingpoundingpounding power of an evil, evil riff. Eh, carpe diem one and all. > I don't know about new songs, but you could imagine a lot of > Surgeons songs > might fit in the cycle already: ... > Brain From Terra Incognita - Desdinova contemplates running > for office in order to screw with history from within. > Starts out with some big ideas, but > comes across as too cocky ("Only conclusion is, I am your > lord.", etc.) and most likely loses the election to a more centrist candidate. I dig this spin a lot. My affection for destruction, oblivion, and holocaust has been there since Eponymous came out, as if my 'email name" doesn't give that away. The reworking of Lady of the Harbor on the tour did lots for the 'punch' of the song. Nowhere near as loungey as the Pull the Plug take of the tune. The "do you?" sounds more militant in its questioning, as if making it imperative that you answer "DO you have a dream?" with a yes. Rock. I'd add for the sake of fun and tribute to Pete Bs. contribution to surgeon-sound: Donkey Show: when del rio/desdinova is in Mexico searching for the black mirror, he takes some time to enjoy the local culture, and hope that his grand-daughter doesnt get involved in such attempts at self-expression. (grin) I cannot access the FAQ, but wasn't the "Motor City's Burning" version of Cities on Flame listed a component in either the first or 3rd installment o' the trilogy? They do play Cities live after all -- which, sorry Bobby R., has the Swing you ain't got. And since we're all talking the brain surgeons (or at least neil,bri and me/I(?)) Given the recent re-recording of tunes for the new one in an acoustic manner, I wonder the disc will take the twisty turns hinted at by Madam X Factor... mmm the joy of speculating. Tippycanoe and tyler too, Jason From mlooney at COX.NET Wed Nov 20 10:11:25 2002 From: mlooney at COX.NET (Mike Looney) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:11:25 -0600 Subject: ADMIN: Sorry, need to test something Message-ID: Sorry about this. I need to run a message through my email server to listserv list and look at the headers. From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Nov 20 10:21:56 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:21:56 +0000 Subject: BOC/BRAIN:Imaginos Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions Brian, Jason. :o) How about Desdinova gets dabbles in pharmacy circa 1950s, in an attempt to corrupt and subvert youth culture => 'Love Potion #9' (His gold capped tooth gives him away in an otherwise impeccable diguise) Is there any chance for us poor old brits to hear tBS version of 'Siege....' ? Cheers Neil. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44 (0)1773 537000 From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Nov 20 10:24:06 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:24:06 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN:Imaginos Message-ID: > (His gold capped tooth gives him away in an otherwise > impeccable diguise) Desdinova is (gasp) Dr. Teeth, band leader and pianoplayer of the Electric Mayhem??? It is all making sense now. (or do i just need actual work to do (cough)) Jason From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 20 12:36:12 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:36:12 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge/Bedouin @ The Standard, 24/10/02 Message-ID: Dear All, I do like the Standard, as a venue, the staff are nice, there's plenty of different places to watch from and you don't have to be involved if you don't want to be, and they even have some sort of real beer even if it is keg stuff. But it is, for me at least, difficult to get to and out of in time from Cambridge. They never start early and they always finish late. The result of this is that I only caught the middle act entire, arriving some way into Spacehead's set and having to leave during Bedouin's. But for what it's worth, my thoughts... Spacehead, and this may surprise you, I liked. They have added none other than our very own Keef Barton on second guitar and this fills out the sound usefully and stops the mid-range being all about monotonal riffing and nothing else. In fact just generally this line-up was much more together than the last one I saw which I still maintain was quite frankly terrible. Having Martin also doing keyboards might seem like a halfway measure but he seems to understand swoosh and with Keef holding the guitar noise down he can manage to stop for the odd second here and there. Dibs also seemed to play out a bit more, perhaps knowing that he didn't have to hold his band together behind him. So it was rather better than last time. `Dark Star' was the particular highlight for me, they really locked into that one and it was quite empirically Good and Rocked and stuff like that. The slower stuff I'm more ambivalent about; Dibs's voice doesn't carry it as well, he's in perpetual danger of going flat on the long drawn-out passages and this can break the otherwise enjoyable atmosphere. But the fast stuff looked like a practised band doing its stuff and I enjoyed it. They closed with a cover of `The Right Stuff' which is a song I've never heard live before, and as far as I was concerned the only way they could have improved that, for me at least, was to let me sing it, so I was happy enough with that :-) Harvey took some time to get going, in both setting-up and playing senses. We got ten minutes of atmospherics and understated techno before anything happened that I either recognised or was much interested in, that being `Cygnus X-1' with a shorter version of the black hole rant on _Live 2000_. But with that done he opened up rather; I got the idea that up till then he hadn't really known what he was going to talk about that evening, but then he found a profitable vein about aliens being our future selves travelling back in time which got quite authentically Bainbridgian and kept me well entertained. He did do parts of several other pieces I knew but I'm still not sure he was at his best. He can hold up a performance either by massaging the brain with the synths or by stimulating by spouting weirdness at you, and I think he was doing the latter better than the former and at first neither at all really. On the other hand Keef seemed to love every minute of it so I may be being unduly harsh. I enjoyed it anyway, but it wasn't as good as I'd hoped given the _Live 2000_ CD-R. As with Gong, the environment and audience feedback seems to make a big difference to Harvey's performance and I'm not sure he had it tonight. Bedouin were on good form. There was even one new song in the set, that I saw, though it sounded like it might have been a far older solo number, not really a Bedouin track, had that sort of lightweight bounce of the Elf stuff. I had to leave during `As Above So Below', which is my favourite, and in fact given the wait I had at the tube station just over the road, unless they did a ten-minute version I could have stayed for it, dammit, but sense won out over risking being stranded in London. Glenn was more spacey and less stunt-guitar than usual, and for the first time I've seen had dressed for the gig, and now looked like a goth going to a wedding before having put on his make-up and frock coat. Alan was the same as ever, as was Danny. No complaints about any of it, they are workmen same as Motorhead and do their job well. I seem not to have written a set-list, but I *think* that we did get the following, maybe roughly in this order: `LSD', `Say Goodbye da Babylon' (some new words in the chorus), `Rock Palace', `Demons in Denial', `Queen of the Night' (much changed around, I suspect a new version of this will be on the next record, only the chorus seemed recognisable), `Air Space' and the new one, and `As Above So Below'. How much more there was I don't know: Nick Lee was there also, and perhaps he can say. But it was good to get that much. The other thing of note was getting fliered by Litmus's main-man again, and having a chat with him about audio generators, apropos of which he said, "Yeah, I've got three people on audio generator at the moment. I think that can only be a good thing don't you?" I thoroughly approve of this attitude (though I wouldn't do it myself I confess) and am looking forward to seeing them once or possibly twice this winter (supporting the Ozrics, below Arthur Brown on the bill, and at the Xmas Party). Yours, Jon ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Fire in the Hole_ (not as good as I'd hoped but hey, what is these days... Apart from Clutch and Queens of the Stone Age.) -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 20 12:36:05 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:36:05 +0000 Subject: HW: collection of thoughts on the Wembley gig Message-ID: Dear All, forgive me if I make little effort with this lot, which is collected from things I wrote to other people; I'm desperately behind with my mail and recycling stuff like this is one way to speed up the catching-up. But, as it goes... [From one message I sent to someone who asked how the gig was... ] > The sound was messed up, and it was bad for everyone but Anthrax but > much much worse for Hawkwind, who didn't seem to have had a sound-check > or anything and kept losing vocals. I guess this means they didn't turn > up on time. Wouldn't surprise me. I should say that this was unfair on my part, I gathered later that HW had been first in the building and it was purely down to the soundman who wouldn't do soundchecks for second support. Bastard. Anyway, I went on... > Mid-range was full of feedback noise which, during Motorhead, was really > painful and lost half the guitar and half of Lemmy's vocals. Hawkwind > were a bit sloppy, but not too bad, but the sound made them sound much > worse. They had to set up in a hurry, and what seemed to be Skew > Siskin's kit was being moved off so I think they turned up so late that > Lemmy had got another band in instead. And Lemmy came on for `Silver > Machine' but stopped before the band was ready and made the whole > thing fall apart, and was rude about the support acts and generally > prima donna. > > So I didn't much enjoy Hawkwind, though I did try, then I threw a > wobbly shortly afterwards and thus didn't enjoy Anthrax as much as I > could have done, and Motorhead weren't as together as usual, because > Lemmy was in a foul mood and not listening to his band (and we couldn't > really hear the guitar anyway) and it only really came together for the > last few songs. But they did have the bomber lighting rig for the > encore. So we felt better after that, which was much better. > > Subsequently I discovered that Skew Siskin had in fact played > beforehand, but all we could hear was Queens of the Stone Age and Led > Zeppelin on the PA, so it must have been before even we got in. Never > mind eh, from what I gather. Anyway... Few other thoughts on that: the sound was only bad down the front, as I pieced it together later, and the problem seemed to be massive and painful mid-range feedback from the PA. Huw was having terrible trouble with feedback from the monitors during HW's set, made everything he touched sound like an earthquake nearby, but when everybody could be heard they were pretty good, except Tim Blake who really could have been done without for all he did, and left Dave to make the swooshy noises. It was good to hear Arthur Brown doing `The Gremlin', and indeed `Masters of the Universe', but I'd have enjoyed it more if I actually could have heard him. Overall, though, I was disappointed. One of the people I was with said, more or less, they're under-rehearsed, they don't know what they want it to sound like and they're not trying to do anything with it. And it was still a good set apart from the sound, which did make it very hard to enjoy, but she was right on all counts. It was a band playing Hawkwind covers, half of them didn't seem to know how it was going to come out, they seemed to have fun but they're a long way from being spaceship. *Please* let them have something more coherent and directed going by Walthamstow or my interest in this incarnation of the band, already pretty jaundiced, will more or less disappear. Then there were these comments to someone else more interested in Motorhead... > > No problems - how were they on Saturday anyhow? [please tell me they > > deigned to play that bloody ill-advised cover of "God Save The > > Queen"...I ask you, what on earth were they *thinking* about when > > they had that idea, eh? eh?] > > I'm afraid they did do it. Although they also did `Hoochie > Coochie Man' and they had the bomber rig, so there's only so much > complaint one can make. Um. Lemmy was in a foul mood for most of the > first half and not listening to his band and so it didn't quite gel. And > it was also difficult to tell because, what I didn't realise wasn't > affecting everyone, where we were the PA had a really nasty feedback > effect in some frequencies so the bottom end of his vocals and of the > guitar kept getting lost in painful distorted white noise. I know > Motorhead's supposed to hurt, but it's supposed to be their fault, not > the venue's. > > Once Lemmy cheered up, they were very good, I think. Did a good > mix of stuff. But he was being a right prima donna. Guested with > Hawkwind (who as far as I can tell didn't turn up in time to get a > soundcheck and minus at least two musicians) and stopped playing before > anyone else so that `Silver Machine' fell apart. Hawkwind, um, I've seen > them better, but you could hear so few of the vocals and the lead guitar > was so impossibly messed up with monitor feedback that it could have > been brilliant and one wouldn't have known necessarily. But they seemed > to have fun. > > Anthrax were probably pretty good but I was having a personality > crisis and didn't appreciate them as well as I could have done. > > ^^^ Apart from their collaboration with Public Enemy - I know little > > of Anthrax's output - it being the best part of 15 years or so since > > I last heard any of their material... > > Well, they did do that one, among other stuff. First I'd heard of > them as I thought, but I found I knew that one vaguely. They were very > together and make the second US band of two I've seen since the start of > the Iraq build-up who've apologised for Dubya from the stage... Some repetition there but it shows you what sort of mood I came away from the gig in. The venue's horrible, by the way, isn't it? No beer, security searches, no bloody cloakroom... and of course bloody awful sound. Ugh. Anyway. My faith in Hawkwind rather battered at the moment. I shall be at Walthamstow, and just possibly at Brighton, though that seems unlikely. Meanwhile, back to the keyboard... Yours, Jon ObCD: Queens of the Stone Age - _Songs for the Deaf_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 20 12:36:18 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:36:18 +0000 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Bouchard Dunaway Smith in London Message-ID: Right, first a small rant, then the actual review. When I first heard about this gig it was said, from Stuart's newsfeed which I assume was from Totalrock, that it was on the 24th of October. So I went `wah' on-list because that meant missing Bedouin, and Si Halley posted saying, I don't know if it was a typo given he got the date right later on (which I sadly didn't notice) that it was actually the 20th so that was all right. Only I was dubious generally so rather than be sure from the list, I rang the venue on the 20th and the muppet on the phone confirmed it was that night, so down I went and it wasn't. It was the 30th, same night as Mountain, which cost me eleven quid to find out. Bah. Anyway, that wasn't all bad, as it meant I could go with Kirsten, and it was clear that I had to go as Mountain will be back unless something disastrous happens whereas I'll probably never get to see Joe again. And I wrote this of it, later on: "Somehow managing despite all transport problems to meet outside the Underworld, we were in in time for everything and the support act, Crown of Thorns took the stage slightly after we were sorted. They, um, sounded like Survivor. You know, did `Eye of the Tiger', no-one knows anything else by them, they sounded like that, but without the obvious classic song. Very tight, real clown of a bass player who was very bored, looked like the sheriff in _Blazing Saddles_ but with hair dyed blonde, spent a great deal of time cracking jokes behind the singer's back; widdly lead guitarist, reasonable drummer, keyboardist less sure of himself than the others, singer and rhythm guitarist very good at the former and dispensable with the latter. Since he had the guitar though they had a very full sound. Their music is designed for stadia, not for clubs, and I kind of hope they manage that some day as they're as good as many other people who do, but the same basic chord progression behind all the fairly melodic tunes left me in no doubt about why the bass-player was so bored and after six or seven songs so was I. Good, but not new, and they've missed getting any airplay by ten or fifteen years. "The act we'd actually come to see was Bouchard Dunaway Smith, that is Joe Bouchard, the ex-bass player of Blue ?yster Cult now playing his first instrument, guitar, again, and the rhythm section of the original Alice Cooper group. Two thirds `School's Out' and one third `(Don't Fear) The Reaper'. They were having tremendous fun. Joe is very short, and sounds weirdly like his brother (B?C's ex-drummer Al Bouchard) and also like Donald Roeser, B?C's lead guitarist. They did do `Reaper', which Donald wrote, and people who didn't know any better must have gone away thinking Joe had originally played and sung it. Other stuff they did that I knew was two other B?C numbers, `Fallen Angel' which has always been unremarkable but by way of being sandwiched into a lengthy percussion break thereby altering its shape rather became less so, and an absolutely lovely `Astronomy' (which I've never seen B?C play). They also did something by way of encore called `18' which I'm guessing was an Alice number. But much of it was actually improvised, as far as I could tell. Not only did Denis Dunaway (who had some very loyal fans in the audience to whom he showed off the bass he played on "_School's Out_, and, oh, all those other album") do a five-minute solo spot with the bass, and then later on the rhythm section two or three minutes by themselves which then turned into `Fallen Angel' as I said, but the breaks were long and good too. They can all play. Neal Smith is very very tall. He dwarfs the rest of the band. Denis Dunaway is not particularly short but likes to play crouched down with his bass pointing in the air. Joe likes doing the same tricks as Donald does with the audience, catching someone's eye and thus pointing this little lick at them, smiling evilly a lot, and so on. The two stringsmen took the piss out of each other mercilessly. They were very chuffed to be over here even playing to about a hundred people if that. Their album sold out. I shall get it some other time I suppose." So that was good, as you may be able to tell. Long past time I sorted out US currency for a Cellsum order... Yours, Jon (dropping back into obscurity again, I hope briefly) ObCD: Sons of Selina - _Fire in the Hole_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 20 13:24:09 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:24:09 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Bouchard Dunaway Smith in London In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 05:36:18PM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 05:36:18PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > [...] Joe Bouchard, the ex-bass player of Blue ?yster Cult now playing > his first instrument, guitar, again Frank Zappa wrote (paraphrasing from memory here, since the book is way inaccessible; I'm sure I've butchered it horribly): Nobody ever sets out to be a bass player, they just get stuck with it. The decision's made at a band meeting in somebody's garage at age 13. > They also > did something by way of encore called `18' which I'm guessing was an Alice > number. "I'm eighteen and I don't know what I want"? Yeah, an Alice rock-radio classic. I wonder how they feel about singing it thirty years on.... Pete Townsend must get that a lot, too, re. My Generation. The perfect comeback would be: Interviewer: So, Pete, isn't it just a little embarassing to be singing "I hope I die before I get old", at your age? PT: Not at all. I still feel that way -- and I hope to *still* do when I'm 85! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Wed Nov 20 14:49:01 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:49:01 +1300 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Ben, in honour of Nathaniel I have put 'Master of the Uinverse' (Calvert's brilliant 'In the Egg' seemed too dark) on the stereo. May he prosper. David Howard From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 15:22:01 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:22:01 -0000 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Nathaniel, welcome to the world:). Many congratulations to the parents. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cohen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 20 15:41:23 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Hooray! Congratulations, Ben! If there was any way I could send you the gift of extra sleep time, I would. I hope that Nathaniel was "Born To Go" ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0500, Ben Cohen wrote: >Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs >5 oz and 21" long. > >Woohoo! I'm a dad! > >[We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > >Ben From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Nov 20 15:57:16 2002 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:57:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Congratulations!!! My son Alex turns 6 months tomorrow. He's already starting to shout and move when he hears Hawkwind; a future space rock fan!!! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cohen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 17:28:22 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:28:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Uk Tour Message-ID: Hi, Anybody going to be at the Liverpool show on 8th December and fancy a drink b4 the show? Or.... with it being at the CREAM venue, perhaps we should be getting sorted for e's and whizz b4 the show. Mark From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 17:57:04 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:27:04 +1030 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: I've already got one of those. It is called - mikewind_2000 (yachoo etc). Raving and ranting is expected on a regular basis. We also discuss Hawkwind - HW related - and world events past and present. Given a little more time we will have the formula worked out and patented for time travel. Thank you for your patronage ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group > Hello All, > > I have started a Yahoo! Group purely for off topic rants. And of course > anything about the Hawklords themselves. > > Moorcock discussion and Social/General discussion welcome. > > Like Hawkwind? Read Moorcock? Into Motorhead? Does Elton make you sick? > Shall we hang the Queen? This is the place to view your airs. The group > was inspired by The Hawkwind Sci-Fi Books, the time of the Hawklords, > Queens of Deliria & Ledge of Darkness. Also the Crankranters group. Non > music posts are welcome. I am not in the habit of censoring any posts! > There is legal advice here as well! From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 20 18:49:52 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:49:52 EST Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/2002 6:53:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ben at TMK.COM writes: > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > Congrats, Dadoo! Joe From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 20 19:29:17 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:29:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Congratulations, Ben. I hope Nathaniel turns out to be a better BOC/HW fan than my (now 10-year old) son, who used to like Hawkwind but one day admitted that really he didn't, he only liked the explosions at the end of some numbers....(Thanks for reminding me, Arin!) Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0500, Ben Cohen wrote: >Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs >5 oz and 21" long. > >Woohoo! I'm a dad! > >[We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > >Ben From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Nov 20 17:08:32 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:08:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E06AFBD4E@ntguslaexs1.neuus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: Nice one Ben. > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 19:55:30 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:25:30 +1030 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: One day you will be compelled to buy your son a guitar. He will go on to keep the spirit of space rock rolling for many more years to come and everyone will forget who Robbie Williams is altogether. I have seen it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > Nice one Ben. > > > > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 > lbs > > 5 oz and 21" long. > > > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > > > Ben > > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 20 20:23:08 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:23:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0500, Ben Cohen wrote: >Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs >5 oz and 21" long. > >Woohoo! I'm a dad! > >[We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > >Ben Congrats Ben! We need as many new fans as we can find ;-) to the next generation of space rockers! Arin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 20:38:25 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:08:25 +1030 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: and if they can be bred then genetically the music will live on forever ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0500, Ben Cohen wrote: > > >Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > >5 oz and 21" long. > > > >Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > > >[We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > > >Ben > > Congrats Ben! We need as many new fans as we can find ;-) > > to the next generation of space rockers! > > Arin > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 20:27:47 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:57:47 +1030 Subject: Le Lectric Tepee rides again Message-ID: http://www.geocities.com/electric_tepee2000/ getting it up like it used to be in the good old days - the natural way too bookmark and check back regularly for updates - free competitions and free balloons for the kids From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 21 00:18:13 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:18:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Pub meets (was Re: Uk Tour) In-Reply-To: <001001c290e4$24120860$9eebfea9@oemcomputer>; from mark.von-bargen@O2.CO.UK on Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:28:22PM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:28:22PM -0000, Mark Von Bargen wrote: > Anybody going to be at the Liverpool show on 8th December and fancy a drink b4 the show? Yeah! Stoke (5th) through to Walthamstow (13th), actually. Looking for drinking companions all those days. Oh, and if anyone up Merseyside way happens to be into Steeleye Span, they're playing in Southport on the 7th (night off for HW). Right F'ing on! Anyone else interested? > Or.... with it being at the CREAM venue, perhaps we should be getting sorted for e's and whizz b4 the show. Man, is that confusing! Lomaxen 1-2-3; Cream, @ Nation, @ Courtyard; Wolstenholme Sq, Hotham St., Parr St., Cumberland St; two completely different web sites. Ok, I found a press release stating that Lomax moved from Cumberland St. to the Cream/Nation/Hotham-St. location. And streetmap.co.uk told me that Wolstenholme Sq and Parr St adjoin. But that still leaves Wolstenholme/Parr vs. Hotham St. Could someone *please* explain what's up with that? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Lomax (n): A metafictional creature with the head of the Lorax and the body of Lummox. From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Nov 21 01:34:49 2002 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:34:49 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Potential new BOC/HW fan and bass player Message-ID: Excedingly cool, Ben. How about some pictures? Hope Mom is doing well. Great name (my son Nathan is 9 mo, likes to rock, I fear he may become a drummer). Oh yeah, there are a few of us who started out wanting to be bass players. But Frank was right, too many fell into the job and have little to offer the world of music. Joe Bouchard is not one of these. His playing was fabulous and is missed by me greatly. I am very curious to hear what kind of a guitarist he is. Brad Dahl From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 21 02:00:08 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:00:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Potential new BOC/HW fan and bass player In-Reply-To: <017801c29128$2edf4a20$01dcdb42@sony>; from dahl@AROS.NET on Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:34:49PM -0700 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:34:49PM -0700, Brad Dahl wrote: > Oh yeah, there are a few of us who started out wanting to be bass players. Somehow I suspect Lemmy was one. > But Frank was right, too many fell into the job and have little to offer the > world of music. The way I read FZ's original, it wasn't a matter of having little to offer, as much as of just losing the argument over who gets to play lead guitar. It was just the comment about Joe's having started out on guitar that prompted the thought. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Nov 21 02:49:14 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:49:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Pub meets (was Re: Uk Tour) Message-ID: Eric, A hopefully short explanation: The venue is in Wolstenholme Square and the streets mentioned are those that lead on to the square except Hotham Street which is about a mile away (more later). Nation is the building. In the early days of clubbing it was called The Academy and it was brilliant for a dance music venue. After a couple of years it became Nation. A little time later a club night called Cream was started by a couple of chancers (ticket touts trying to move into a bigger world - it obviously worked). The Cream nights really took off and soon the place was generally known as Cream even though the building is still called Nation. Meanwhile, a little indie music venue started up in a completely different location. It was called The Lomax. Typical acts were early Oasis, American hardcore metal bands, The Alarm!! etc.... Later, The Lomax started a bigger venue called L2 (that was behind the Empire Theatre where HW have played a few times - this is the Hotham Street site). Both the Lomax and the L2 eventually closed down - as most venues do close down after a while in Liverpool. The Lomax name was incorporated into the Nation venue (don't know if the original Lomax guys are still involved - if they are that will be good news as they now how to run a venue pretty well). So you end up with variations of Lomax at Cream@Nation. By the way, the Cream nights have now closed down. The crowd numbers dipped a bit so they decided to get out of Liverpool and move down to London. I could swear at this point and reveal lots of crappy truth about Cream but it is BOC-L and I won't. Versions of this note may disagree with the recently published Cream history book. That is because I am telling the truth. Should be a good night; roll on 8th December - don't expect to see much seating in the venue. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:18 AM Subject: HW: Pub meets (was Re: Uk Tour) > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:28:22PM -0000, Mark Von Bargen wrote: > > Anybody going to be at the Liverpool show on 8th December and fancy a drink b4 the show? > > Yeah! Stoke (5th) through to Walthamstow (13th), actually. > Looking for drinking companions all those days. > > Oh, and if anyone up Merseyside way happens to be into Steeleye > Span, they're playing in Southport on the 7th (night off for HW). > Right F'ing on! Anyone else interested? > > > Or.... with it being at the CREAM venue, perhaps we should be getting sorted for e's and whizz b4 the show. > > Man, is that confusing! Lomaxen 1-2-3; Cream, @ Nation, @ > Courtyard; Wolstenholme Sq, Hotham St., Parr St., Cumberland St; > two completely different web sites. > > Ok, I found a press release stating that Lomax moved from > Cumberland St. to the Cream/Nation/Hotham-St. location. And > streetmap.co.uk told me that Wolstenholme Sq and Parr St adjoin. > But that still leaves Wolstenholme/Parr vs. Hotham St. Could > someone *please* explain what's up with that? > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Lomax (n): A metafictional creature with the head of the Lorax > and the body of Lummox. > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 21 03:14:04 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:14:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Hurrah! Congratulations Mr & Mrs Cohen! I suggest the immediate purchase of "Punk Rock Baby"... :-) Cheers, R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cohen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 21 06:26:19 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:26:19 -0000 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Bouchard Dunaway Smith in London Message-ID: This merely proves that FZ was a prime-sunday-best-ass-hat. > Frank Zappa wrote (paraphrasing from memory here, since the book is > way inaccessible; I'm sure I've butchered it horribly): > Nobody ever sets out to be a bass player, they just get > stuck with it. The decision's made at a band meeting in > somebody's garage at age 13. From mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM Thu Nov 21 06:30:21 2002 From: mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:30:21 -0000 Subject: OFF: Hello... In-Reply-To: <200211201000.FAA26236@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Trying to get in touch with Gavin or any of the time brothers. Are you out there... Earth Calling, Earth Calling, this is Earth Calling... Mark (Hasbeen) From micci at SCI.FI Thu Nov 21 06:52:29 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:52:29 +0200 Subject: HW: FinnWind Message-ID: Hi! Hawkwind Tribute -album (CD-R) is now available. Go Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind pages Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 21 07:31:00 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:31:00 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: Potential new BOC/HW fan and bass player Message-ID: Congrats Ben. :-) I shall make it my duty tonight to wet the baby's head. "Cheers" Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 21 07:37:58 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:37:58 +0800 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: ----- From: "Michael Blackman" > I've already got one of those. It is called - mikewind_2000 (yachoo etc). > Raving and ranting is expected on a regular basis. > We also discuss Hawkwind - HW related - and world events past and present. > Given a little more time we will have the formula worked out and patented > for time travel. And then on Sunday's we consult the scriptures and afterwards continue the knitting classes... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 21 08:01:23 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:31:23 +1030 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: LoL. Oooooh you really musssssst see the new scarf I knitted last sunday. Its sooooooo luuuuuurrrrrrrrvlyyyyy teeeehehehehehehehe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group > ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > I've already got one of those. It is called - mikewind_2000 (yachoo etc). > > Raving and ranting is expected on a regular basis. > > We also discuss Hawkwind - HW related - and world events past and present. > > Given a little more time we will have the formula worked out and patented > > for time travel. > > And then on Sunday's we consult the scriptures and afterwards continue the > knitting classes... From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 21 08:32:20 2002 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:32:20 EST Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan Message-ID: Great news Ben. I wish you and your family all the best. Peace and love, Eli From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Nov 21 09:51:58 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:51:58 -0400 Subject: HW: OEBs seek Greater London area gigs of any size ( even private ) 1/11-1/12 20 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops are seeking gigs of any size in the Greater London are on the 11th & 12th of January 2003. We will be recording tracks for our new album in South London on the 13th and 14th. Guests include, The Downliners Sect, skiffle legend Chas McDevitt, Mick Farren ( Deviants), Mr. Dibs of Spacehead & Phil Smith of Headsmith and 'Rustic' Rod Goodway's Ethereal Counterbalance. We don't want to sit around for 2 days, when we could be playing music and polishing up for the sessions. If you can help e-mail us directly at this return address or visit our site for more info. http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com other sites of interest www.Hawkwind.com ( see Hawkfestival link) www.RealFestivalMusic.co.uk ( see Hawkwind Summer camp video & pics) www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk ( search the site) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 21 17:36:46 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:36:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Hello... Message-ID: ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lee" > Trying to get in touch with Gavin or any of the time brothers. > Are you out there... Earth Calling, Earth Calling, this is > Earth Calling... > Mark (Hasbeen) Hi Gavin doesn't have an internet account so far as I know. However to get in touch (or buy the CDs!) the address is: Gavin Wilson, 3 Quarry Street, Larkhall, South Lanarkshire, Scotland, ML9 2NJ. If you want to say I gave you his address that would be fine. cheers, jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Fri Nov 22 06:11:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:11:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw DVDs - to be signed Message-ID: Just for the couple of people in here who wanted *signed* (by Huw) copies of the Huw Lloyd-Langton Live DVD (http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm), he's signing a batch at the moment, I'll post again when I've got them back in stock. Steve Litchfield From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 22 06:17:35 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:47:35 +1030 Subject: HW: Huw DVDs - to be signed Message-ID: Exellent news!! I will send the money as soon as you say the word. Cheers Steve! Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: HW: Huw DVDs - to be signed > Just for the couple of people in here who wanted *signed* (by Huw) copies > of the Huw Lloyd-Langton Live DVD > (http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm), he's signing a batch at > the moment, I'll post again when I've got them back in stock. > > Steve Litchfield From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 22 08:01:44 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:01:44 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C:__Tomorrow's_gig?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone besides me and Brian going to tomorrow's gig in Utica? theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Fri Nov 22 09:07:47 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:07:47 -0500 Subject: Tomorrow's gig Message-ID: I is. "and the joke's on you," Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:02 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: B?C: Tomorrow's gig > > > Anyone besides me and Brian going to tomorrow's gig in Utica? > > theo > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 22 08:16:51 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:16:51 EDT Subject: Tomorrow's gig In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD747@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 22 Nov 2002, at 9:07, Scruton, Jason wrote: > I is. > "and the joke's on you," Great! What time are you showing up? theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Fri Nov 22 09:30:01 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:30:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tomorrow's gig Message-ID: Probably when the doors open at 9... I'm going to be haning out with a friend in Utica earlier that night (whom I am also taking to the show -- her first introduction to the fleet fingers of Buck and co.) Anyone have an idea what the setlist has been like on this tour, since Long Days Night covers a lot of their set staples? J From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 22 08:39:40 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:39:40 EDT Subject: BOC: Tomorrow's gig In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD749@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 22 Nov 2002, at 9:30, Scruton, Jason wrote: > Probably when the doors open at 9... Last time I saw a gig there, they made everybody wait outside for a long time, then let them in in groups of 20 or so! What's up with that? Place is big, so I doubt there'll be a sellout. Watch yourself driving in--looks like some snow tonight and tomorrow... I'm going to be haning out with a > friend in Utica earlier that night (whom I am also taking to the show > -- her first introduction to the fleet fingers of Buck and co.) > > Anyone have an idea what the setlist has been like on this tour, since > Long Days Night covers a lot of their set staples? J Probably pretty generic. I'm hoping for Teen Archer, which would be even better if followed by Quicklime Girl, and maybe Flaming Telepaths, SYiB...I'm psyched! theo From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 22 06:56:58 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:56:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind patch for trade Message-ID: I've got a red and yellow "Hawkwind Into The 80's" patch for trade. Just got this in trade with a bunch of Hawkfan #'s. I'll trade it for a live tape or a CDR, or I'd also trade it for any patches or stickers or posters. I am looking for the "Earth Ritual 1984" patch which I sold some time back, and wore on my army coat for years. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Nov 22 18:24:39 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:24:39 -0500 Subject: BOC - 11/23/02 Show Message-ID: This Saturday, 11/23/02 AL Schnier of the band moe. will be sitting in w/ Blue Oyster Cult @ an intimate club date in Utica, NY @ the Rock & Roll Preserve, 2002 Genesee Street Anyone going.....? Peace, D From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Nov 22 18:23:29 2002 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:23:29 +0100 Subject: Nektar Message-ID: Hello all, Just bought this 2cd at a flea market(car boot sale) but the front is missing Can anyone scan the front cover for me? -Nektar:The Dream Nebula/The Best of 1971-1975 Thanks filip Filip.Vanhuyse at pandora.be From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 22 20:01:45 2002 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:01:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Potential new BOC/HW fan In-Reply-To: <20021120115234.GA26596@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: On 11/20/02 6:52 AM, "Ben Cohen" wrote: > Specifically, one Nathaniel Michael Cohen, born 11/19/2002, 11:13 AM, 8 lbs > 5 oz and 21" long. > > Woohoo! I'm a dad! > > [We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list...] > > Ben Mazel Tov Ben, You'll get some sleep in a couple years! Al From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Nov 23 13:08:27 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:08:27 -0000 Subject: HW: CD prices Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? Thanks, Captain Bl at ck. From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Nov 23 13:36:30 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:36:30 -0700 Subject: HW: CD prices Message-ID: Typically about $15 to $19, though you can certainly find deals. Guido Captain Bl at ck wrote: >Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? > >Thanks, > >Captain Bl at ck. > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Nov 23 13:51:41 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:51:41 -0500 Subject: CD prices Message-ID: It can range from $9.99 up to $19.99 for domestic. Imports usually start at $19.99. It all really depends on where you go. Its easier to find better prices online. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: HW: CD prices Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? Thanks, Captain Bl at ck. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Nov 23 14:51:01 2002 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:51:01 +0100 Subject: To Jeff/Nektar scans Message-ID: Thanks a lot Jeff for the Nektar scans Couldn't figure out your personal e-mail adress,so did it this way Glad to be of assistance if you need anything greetings filip From ben at TMK.COM Sat Nov 23 17:38:25 2002 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:38:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... Message-ID: and, for that matter, even for those of you who don't want 'em... Baby pictures are now available at: http://www.tmk.com/~ben/nathaniel I apologize for anyone who doesn't care about my pictures, but what's the use of having power (albeit limited to being a list moderator) if you can't abuse it. :-) Ben From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Nov 23 18:00:37 2002 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:00:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... Message-ID: Congratulations Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cohen To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... > and, for that matter, even for those of you who don't want 'em... > > Baby pictures are now available at: http://www.tmk.com/~ben/nathaniel > > I apologize for anyone who doesn't care about my pictures, but what's the use > of having power (albeit limited to being a list moderator) if you can't abuse > it. :-) > > Ben > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 23 18:45:40 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:45:40 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/16/NOTE Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims (except THIS WEEK!!!!!!!) TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . NOTE: Apologies to the 5 of you who regularly tune in, but tonight's show is going to be exclusively '80s metal (primarily of the thrash/crossover variety). Why? I have to release pent-up energy/stress in a teenage kinda way so that SDNC can continue... 11/16 Play-list 1.Upsilon Acrux "Modulation 1" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 2.King Crimson "Happy Family" (Lizard; Atlantic) 3.Salamander "title-track" (Red Ampersand; Camera Obscura) 4.Amon Duul II "Ballad of the Shimmering Sand" (Carnival in Babylon; Captain Trip) 5.Floating Flower "Desert" (1st/2nd; Black Plastic Sound) 6.Legendary Pink Dots "Brighter Now" (All the King's Men; Reach Out Int'l) 7.Census of Hallucinations "Daydream (7th Heaven; Stone Premontions) 8.Drunken Gunmen "title-track" (Journey to the Far Side of the Sun EP; Spaced Out Sounds) 9.Avey Tare and Panda Bear "Meet the Lightchild" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 10.Roxy Music "Do the Strand" (For Your Pleasure; Atco) 11.Neu! "E-Musik" (Neu! '75; Astralwerks) 12.Laurie Anderson "Sharky's Day" (Mister Heartbreak; Warner Bro's) 13.Farflung w/Nik Turner "St. Anthony's Fire" (Transglobal Friends and Relations; Transparency) 14.Hawkwind "Space is Deep" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 15.Krom Lek "The Love of Flying" (A Breath of Fresh Air; Stone Premonitions) 16.The Orb "Little Fluffy Clouds" (Dipping into the Cyberworld; Trance) 17.Circle "Karhun Kansaa" (Pori; Feldspar/Metamorphos) 18.Godspeed You Black Emperor! "Motherfucker = Redeemer Pt. 2" (U.X.O.; Constellation) 19.Sutrobath "Solo Tonight" (Aquatica) 20.Fontanelle "Corrective Lenses" (F; Kranky) 21.American Analog Set "Gone to Earth" (The Fun of Watching Fireworks; Emperor Jones) 22.Tyger Moth and the Invisible Gypsy Band "Another Day, A Little Paradise" (A Day for It to Happen) 23.Absolute Zero "Further On" (Crashing Icons) 24.Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention "Plastic People live '65" (Mystery Disc; Rykodisc) 25.Zappa/Mothers "San Ber'dino" (One Size Fits All; Rykodisc) 26.Captain Beefheart/Magic Band "title-track" (Mirror Man; Buddha) ...And then Mizzen lands on Planet KUCR for a brief revelation-invasion... 27.Kalaparusha aka Maurice McIntyre "Sunspots" (Forces and Feelings; Delmark) 28.Freddie Hubbard w/ILhan Mimaroglu-- excerpt from "Sing Me a Song of Songmy" (Atlantic) 29.Jazz Composer's Orchestra "Communications #9" (ST'd; JCOA) 30.Joseph Jarman w/Art Ensemble of Chicago "title-track" (Song For) 31.Jazz Composer's Orchestra "Preview" (ST'd; JCOA) thanks, Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 23 19:51:35 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:51:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... Message-ID: AAAHH!!! :-) *raises glass to Nathaniel* Cheers, Rich. > and, for that matter, even for those of you who don't want 'em... > > Baby pictures are now available at: http://www.tmk.com/~ben/nathaniel > > I apologize for anyone who doesn't care about my pictures, but what's the use > of having power (albeit limited to being a list moderator) if you can't abuse > it. :-) > > Ben > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 23 21:25:40 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:55:40 +1030 Subject: CD prices Message-ID: and if you are interested in Australian prices - they go for $14.99 to $29.99 Imports are generally $32 or more for doubles. But I did find Hawkwind and Hall of the mountain grill for $17.99 each yesterday. Normally tho, I find all Hawkwind new gear is in the $30 area. Some budget release can be bought from $4.99 - $9 ----- Original Message ----- From: stephe lindas To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: Re: CD prices > It can range from $9.99 up to $19.99 for domestic. Imports usually start at > $19.99. It all really depends on where you go. Its easier to find better > prices online. Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:08 PM > Subject: HW: CD prices > > > Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? > > Thanks, > > Captain Bl at ck. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 23 21:29:15 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:59:15 +1030 Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... Message-ID: Cheers Ben, You have both been blessed with a little angel there. Peace :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cohen To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... > and, for that matter, even for those of you who don't want 'em... > > Baby pictures are now available at: http://www.tmk.com/~ben/nathaniel > > I apologize for anyone who doesn't care about my pictures, but what's the use > of having power (albeit limited to being a list moderator) if you can't abuse > it. :-) > > Ben From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Nov 23 22:35:18 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Tom Waesche) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:35:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... Message-ID: I think you're definitely allowed to indulge yourself in this situation. Congratulations on your little angel. :-) A nice place to visit: http://clik.to/wonder > [Original Message] > From: Michael Blackman > To: > Date: 11/23/02 8:30:10 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... > > Cheers Ben, > > You have both been blessed with a little angel there. > > Peace :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Cohen > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: OFF: For those who wanted 'em... > > > > and, for that matter, even for those of you who don't want 'em... > > > > Baby pictures are now available at: http://www.tmk.com/~ben/nathaniel > > > > I apologize for anyone who doesn't care about my pictures, but what's the > use > > of having power (albeit limited to being a list moderator) if you can't > abuse > > it. :-) > > > > Ben From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Nov 24 04:42:20 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 04:42:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: at Utica, but why should we care? Message-ID: Well, they were there. the set)in marginalyl chonological order) was: Burning for you Bucks Boogie ETI Perfect Water Harvester of Eyes Dance on Stilts Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll Flaming Telepaths Then Came the Last Days of May Godzilla Dont Fear the Reaper -- The Red and the Black Some dude, mentioned in a previous email about the show, guested with the band from the jam band moe. Now, I hate moe. because they wrote thwir bandname/logo all over the radio station broadcast booth in Potsdam w/indeilbe ink marker. I tried not to let that stop my enjoyment of the show, BUT The sound, with the addition of the Moe. dude on LDoM, Godzilla, Reaper (chord comping and soloing at the end) and tR&thB, was both murky and way too trebly because the jammin' guy liked his notes near and beyond the 12th fret. BOC's style is not one where song's structure is conducive to meandering solos. They do have plenty o spots for guitar solos, but jesus... There was 6string wankery in the Crate amps this night. They should retire ALL the songs that were on the live DVD. A good challenge i think. But besides this, LDom was far far too long, it was even longer than the recent live album version with the addition of the moe dude "trading licks" -- I felt he was an underwhelming guitar player and didn't contribute anything but ear damaging feedback. my opinion of him was not helped by the fans to my right who kept shouting the guys name between songs until he was actually on stage. Godzilla, which he guested on, too, lost alllll momentum with solos by the rhythm section which dont keep the song itself going. Esp. the drumsolo. He isnt keeping time as he plays. boy he loves his doublebass pedal (too much). And Eric intro'd Cities the same way he does on the live disc. wince. But, to his credit, he vocal performance was decent. ... not a lot of "hahahahah" in Flaming Telepaths. Danny bass solo had its moments. Rodninelli has made songs which were peppy (cities, godzilla) into plodding. Buck was, well, Buck, and he did show some good original takes on Burning for you's guitar solos. and Dance on Stilts is a good number. Perfect water was good, but too loud fro the kind of song it is. The lack of a lot of songs in the set which havent been done to death + the solo extravaganzas made it a fairly exxhausting and attention waning night simpy said: For the first time EVER, I was BORED at a BOC show. BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. The world does not need to hear more nu-metal+'funky 4/4 drum beat" with "angstfiled" lyrics + lame guitar effects on the solo (not every guitar solo needs a wah, fellas). Thing is you couldnt boo that opening act off the stage, because they couldnt set up their gear ON the stage,.... they were set up on the floor of the club (whose name is not rock androll preserve. its Amnesia now. bloody heck) Oh, interseting thing, allen had a PIANO solo at the end section of tRandtB, but if you could hear it you'd have to have good ears. the guitars on stage swamped the 88s. So that's what I thought. Enjoy. or not. Jason From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 24 08:22:14 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:22:14 EST Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Someone mentioned about a HW or related show in Preston on 7 Dec. Any more info on this? Steve. From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 24 08:37:15 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (rich.warren) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:37:15 -0600 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: There isn't one according to Misssion Control. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 7:22 AM Subject: Preston?... > Someone mentioned about a HW or related show in Preston on 7 Dec. > Any more info on this? > > Steve. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Nov 24 13:33:15 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:33:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers all, second call Message-ID: OK, folks... I know that you, like me, have to be prodded a little to take a few minutes out of your busy life to get around to sending an email or putting a stamp on an envelope to send out. So I can understand that not everyone that should/would have an interest in obtaining five hours of great music for very little effort/cost will actually respond during the first go-around. So...here I am to publicly deride you for being too damn lazy and to write to me now in order to get yourselves into the HWCovers All tree. Again, all you have to do is send me your: Name: Mailing Address: E-mail Address: Burner Yes/No*: (only say Yes if you are willing to actually burn, say at least 3 sets of 4 discs!) After this, the only things you will be required to do are: -keep track of a few emails here and there -pack up four blank CD-Rs and mail 'em off to somebody with return postage costs included. -download some images from the web and print them out, cut them to size and jam 'em into some jewel boxes that you should have handy -walk to your mailbox and find a package with four CD-Rs in it -put them in your player and enjoy. That's not so hard, is it? I've got about 25 or so people who have signed up to date - that's pretty pathetic! I know some of you probably have a number of the recordings already, but I doubt very many of you have more than a quarter or third of these cover versions. Right? So I'd rather have you get on board now rather than have a bunch of people asking me later (once the tree has begun) if they can still join in! So consider this a friendly warning to not hesitate. You shouldn't be disappointed - there are some good versions of HW classics here, and some pretty obscure tracks covered also! That's all I'm gonna say - I don't like to be combative but perhaps this sort of tone will help more people join in, and thereby it would be worth the effort to do this work (not just by me, but by the other people who have offered to assist...thanks to them BTW). Grakkl (FAA) keith.henderson at psi.ch P.S. Can somebody *please* tell me the color paper that was used for the four original cassettes? Certainly some list old-timers are here with these handy? :) ObCD: Circle - Sunrise ObLiveShow: Acid Mothers Temple (Holy crap! Bern will never be the same!) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 24 14:09:05 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:09:05 -0000 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: There is no HW show in Preston on 7th December; if there was it would be on Mission Control. Unfortunately, sometimes venues advertise, and sell tickets for, gigs that are not happening. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Preston?... > Someone mentioned about a HW or related show in Preston on 7 Dec. > Any more info on this? > > Steve. > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Nov 24 14:29:21 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:29:21 -0500 Subject: OFF:An Open Letter to Rolling Stone by Joan Jett Message-ID: >> An Open Letter to Rolling Stone >> by Joan Jett >> >> This letter was written to rolling stone after their >> "women in "rock" issue was published, but was not >> printed by their editors. Please forward it to all the >> rocking people you know!!!!! >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> I tried to find some cleverly worded way to express my >> disgust with your "Women in Rock" issue, but what i >> have to say is really quite simple: You guys are >> completely retarded. >> >> By RS standards, Rock is no longer a style of music but >> a trendy costume to be whipped up by expensive stylists >> and slapped onto the latest pop tart barbie doll. Give >> a girl some tight pants and a spiky bracelet and POOF! >> She ROCKS! >> >> Your poor choice of cover girls and featured artists >> brings to mind the Sports Illustrated swimsuit >> editions. There is nothing necessarily wrong with the >> breast-baring models inside..but we all understand that >> they have NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORTS--Which just might be >> offensive to women who are interested in sports or who >> might even be (gasp) real athletes. >> >> Yes, Britney has a talented stylist and yes, somebody >> gave Shakira a Guns & Roses t-shirt to wear..but they >> ARE NOT NOW NOR WILL THEY EVER BE ROCK. >> >> Maybe it's naive of me to expect any glimmer of >> rock'n'roll credibility OR respect for women from a >> magazine whose cover shot is regularly a naked >> underweight actress. The thing is, I AM a woman >> musician with a rock band, and as we all are I am >> STARVED for any little crumb of recognition that real >> women rockers might be thrown. So like a sucker I find >> myself short another five bucks ..and pissed enough to >> write my first letter to an editor. Avril Lavigne gets >> some studded accessories from Hot Topic so now she's >> "upholding the brazen tradition of teenage >> outrage"???!! Are you SERIOUS? And could someone please >> explain to me why people keep insisting on referring to >> PINK as rock? Wasn't she doing the white girl hip hop >> thing a minute ago? Yeah, she performed on the >> Aerosmith tribute show --big deal..she was on the Janet >> Jackson tribute show just before that--Whatever's >> trendy. WHO CARES. She's a Spice Girl reject...but I >> digress. >> >> Jewel and Mandy friggin' Moore have full page features >> as Rock Icons...Meanwhile Joan Jett gets one line. ONE >> LINE. Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, who have never >> stopped touring, recently did 10 days in the Middle >> East playing for the troops stationed in Afghanistan. >> In AFGHANISTAN, Joan would come onstage wearing a >> birkha, which she ripped off and stomped on before >> blazing through the purest and nastiest rock show >> ANYWHERE. But even in the RS WOMEN IN ROCK issue, a >> story like that gets ONE SENTENCE on the bottom of the >> last page of Random Notes. >> >> Britney's Rock credentials? Well, she butchers the song >> "I Love Rock'n'Roll" on her latest record, and when >> asked about it the genius replies "Well, I've always >> loved Pat Benatar." And SHE is your Rock issue cover >> girl?? You should be REALLY embarrassed. >> >> Sleater Kinney was the only rock group listed on the >> cover..and they got only half a page. Ashanti, the r&b >> back up singer who can't seem to do anything without >> "featuring Jah Rule," has two pages. >> >> What about the Donnas? The Yeah Yeah Yeahs? The >> Distillers? A mag like RS has the power to shine >> important light on groups like these-- instead they are >> afterthoughts, and that valuable spotlight is wasted on >> the same overexposed pop princesses WHO HAVE NOTHING TO >> DO WITH ROCK. >> >> In your own letter from the editor you have the >> hypocritical balls to say "rock radio won't touch >> female artists, while the pop factory keeps churning >> out soundalike clones, and ambitious musicians with >> something to say find themselves left out in the cold." >> >> The pages that follow those words are a blatant display >> that Rolling Stone magazine is happily working for the >> factory now too. >> >> If the issue had been called "Women in Music"..or maybe >> "Some Cute Girls with Top 10 Records out Right Now"..I >> would have no beef with it. Corny as it may sound, ROCK >> is something which is still meaningful and even sacred >> to some of us. Use the word "rock" in bold letters next >> to a picture of Britney Fucking Spears, and you're >> turning your whole publication into a joke...and an >> offensive joke at that. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 24 16:01:55 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:01:55 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge/Bedouin @ The Standard, 24/10/02 Message-ID: > record, only the chorus seemed recognisable), `Air Space' and the new one, > and `As Above So Below'. How much more there was I don't know: Nick Lee > was there also, and perhaps he can say. But it was good to get that much. Meant to post something about this gig at the time but didn't get round to it. Seems so long ago now after my 2 weeks holiday. But from what I can remember other tracks played were (in no particular order): Sword of the East Elric the Enchanter (pt 2) Arioch Wings maybe a couple of others and encoring with, as always, Chasing The Dragon Great gig, Harvey was on stage for all of Bedouin's set and was not particularly audible most of the time but was noodling away making some nice swoosh. Shame there was no Simon, but I understand he was ill. Nick From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 24 16:07:59 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:07:59 -0500 Subject: Tubilah Dog Message-ID: Anyone have any unofficial recordings for trade by these guys? Demos, Live, anything? Thank you, Cheers Stephe From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 24 16:13:20 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:13:20 -0000 Subject: HW: how long, how many, and why Message-ID: > a little Hawkwind poll: > > *Hawkwind fan : since 1985/6-ish > *how many Lp's / singles / CD's: > about 70-odd CDs, 30-ish vinyl LPs, a few singles > *collects live recordings and other Hawkwind junk: live recordings to some extent, videos, lots of t-shirts > *why a Hawkwind fan: driving bass, great riffs, swooshy space noises some great lyrics - what's there no to like ? Also was reading MM at around the same time and the friend who'd recorded a couple of albums (see below) saw on of his books and said 'oh, Mike Moorcock he wrote some of the songs on that album I did for you' > *First album you picked up: got tapes of Sonic Attack &Levitation done for me on the grounds that I'd probably like them. Black Sword soon after. First I actually bought was Warrior.. > *Seen live how many times: about 70 since autum '86 > *Nik or Dave: Dave, I've seen Nik many times with various acts, ICU, All-Stars, PinkWind etc. He's a great front person but it would seem that if you stick on a stage with Dave and he just has to have all the limelight & play his sax over everything. With other acts he seems more than happy to take a back seat and let others shine as well. Dave's the one who has kept the band going all these years. Nuff said. Nick From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 24 16:22:15 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:22:15 -0500 Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: Anyone know anything about the band Culture Shock? They sound alot like THe Subhumans. Is there any connection? Did they release any recordings? Cheers Stephe From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 24 16:28:01 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:28:01 -0000 Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: They released a few albums. I only have 'Onwards & Upwards' on CD. They used to play a lot of festivals and support HW a fair few times, I think. I don't know of a Subhumans connection but some members went ot form Citizen Fish after they split (early 90s). Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Anyone know anything about the band Culture Shock? They sound alot like THe Subhumans. Is there any connection? Did they release any recordings? Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Nov 24 16:35:51 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:35:51 -0500 Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: I just went to the Citizen Fish website. They are all connected. Subhumans/Culture Shock/Citizen Fish. Thanks for the help Nick, Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Travellers aid trust LP > They released a few albums. I only have 'Onwards & Upwards' on CD. They > used to play a lot of festivals and support HW a fair few times, I think. I > don't know of a Subhumans connection but some members went ot form Citizen > Fish after they split (early 90s). > > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephe lindas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: Travellers aid trust LP > > > Anyone know anything about the band Culture Shock? They sound alot like THe > Subhumans. Is there any connection? Did they release any recordings? Cheers > Stephe From coral at APORT.RU Sun Nov 24 17:32:09 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:32:09 +0300 Subject: HW: Canterbury live - 2003? Message-ID: Hi, Amazon.co.uk says: "This item will be released on 3 February, 2003. " Alisa From grodog at PACBELL.NET Sun Nov 24 21:02:58 2002 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:02:58 -0800 Subject: HW: Covers all, second call Message-ID: Hey Keith (and everyone else)--- > So...here I am to publicly deride you for being too damn lazy and to write > to me now in order to get yourselves into the HWCovers All tree. [snip] > I've got about 25 or so people who have signed up to date - that's pretty > pathetic! I know some of you probably have a number of the recordings > already, but I doubt very many of you have more than a quarter or third of > these cover versions. What are the differences again for the current set vs. the orignal four Covers All tapes? > P.S. Can somebody *please* tell me the color paper that was used for the > four original cassettes? Certainly some list old-timers are here with these > handy? :) Yep: they are, on the versions that I produced (Dave Berry handled the UK/rest-of-world duplication IIRC): - Vol I: I am a clone...: pink - Vol II: Shadows of the hawk: light blue - Vol III: Charged with...: white - Vol IV: Designed to Rob...: orange IIRC, there were also some color variants, but I don't recall what they were: I had some tape cover papers that didn't match up with the above, but the above are all that I have left from the originals. I also can't seem to find my set that I made from the masters (which I do still have if we ever want to burn the first four volumes to CD), so I can't tell you what the variants were; I'm pretty sure that I had a variant color scheme to the above, though. If you really want more info, let me know and I'll look harder than I did just now =) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From asg at MVDBASE.COM Mon Nov 25 07:27:26 2002 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:27:26 -0700 Subject: OFF:An Open Letter to Rolling Stone by Joan Jett Message-ID: >>> This letter was written to rolling stone after their >>> "women in "rock" issue was published, but was not >>> printed by their editors. Please forward it to all the >>> rocking people you know!!!!! Amen! I just forwarded it to another list. Very good letter. Though scary. This sort of reminds me of a national radio station we have here in France. It's called Skyrock. But it's been a looooong time since they've outlived that name. It used to be relevant, back in the 80's, but now everytime I give it a (brief) shot all I get to hear is Britney Spears, Dr. Dre et al. Brrr. If this keeps up, in 10 or 20 years from now the word "rock" will just have an entirely different meaning. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 25 00:11:41 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:11:41 EST Subject: OFF:An Open Letter to Rolling Stone by Joan Jett Message-ID: .........she's already denied that this originated with her, by the way. bobm From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 25 03:39:44 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:39:44 EST Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/2002 1:35:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > I just went to the Citizen Fish website. They are all connected. > Subhumans/Culture Shock/Citizen Fish. Thanks for the help Nick, Cheers > Stephe > I once heard a very familiar singer on a tune on KUCR aired by a fellow DJ. I asked him who the band was and he said Subhumans. I asked if the dude was in a group called Culture Shock and he said "yup". Chuck From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 03:54:58 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:54:58 -0500 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Have a look at http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0211c&L=boc-l&F=&S=&P=1983 no replies so I'm not sure who they are. From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 04:35:05 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:35:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Canterbury live - 2003? Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:32:09 +0300, Alisa wrote: >Hi, > >Amazon.co.uk says: "This item will be released on 3 February, 2003. " > >Alisa Thats right, yet the other day it said 'released 25 November 2002' ?? From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 04:37:45 2002 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:37:45 +0000 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Boc-L It was me who made the original post to the list, but not me who had the tickets (Brian Coulthard??). I have the ad from a Preston paper about 3 or 4 weeks ago. It gives very little info - just says The Original Hawkwind coming soon to the Marquee, Aqueduct Street (Preston). No date is given. It also says tickets are now on sale - call 01772 883617 for more information. I haven't called for info as I probably can't make it anyway on Dec 7 (I seem to recall someone else posted that as the date), but I'd be interested to know who, if anyone, is playing! Martin From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 25 04:53:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:23:28 +1030 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Mission control confirms: Manchester 6th December & Liverpool 8th of December ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Roy Varley To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Preston?... > Boc-L > > It was me who made the original post to the list, but not me who had the tickets (Brian Coulthard??). > > I have the ad from a Preston paper about 3 or 4 weeks ago. It gives very little info - just says The Original Hawkwind coming soon to the Marquee, Aqueduct Street (Preston). No date is given. It also says tickets are now on sale - call 01772 883617 for more information. > > I haven't called for info as I probably can't make it anyway on Dec 7 (I seem to recall someone else posted that as the date), but I'd be interested to know who, if anyone, is playing! > > Martin > From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Nov 25 08:25:11 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:25:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tomorrow's gig today Message-ID: > > Probably pretty generic. I'm hoping for Teen Archer, which would be > even better if followed by Quicklime Girl, and maybe Flaming > Telepaths, SYiB...I'm psyched! Did you go, Theo? I was up by the front, near-ish to the stage. what did you thinkof the gig. J From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 25 07:55:33 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:55:33 EDT Subject: BOC: at Utica, but why should we care? [LONG] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021124044220.00693594@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 24 Nov 2002, at 4:42, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Well, they were there. > the set)in marginalyl chonological order) was: > Burning for you > Bucks Boogie > ETI > Perfect Water > Harvester of Eyes > Dance on Stilts > Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll > Flaming Telepaths > Then Came the Last Days of May > Godzilla > Dont Fear the Reaper > -- > The Red and the Black Pretty close on the set list. I think Harvester came right after BFY, and Perfect Water came right before Flaming Telepaths... > Some dude, mentioned in a previous email about the show, guested with > the band from the jam band moe. Now, I hate moe. because they wrote > thwir bandname/logo all over the radio station broadcast booth in > Potsdam w/indeilbe ink marker. > > I tried not to let that stop my enjoyment of the show, BUT > > The sound, with the addition of the Moe. dude on LDoM, Godzilla, > Reaper (chord comping and soloing at the end) and tR&thB, was both > murky and way too trebly because the jammin' guy liked his notes near > and beyond the 12th fret. > Well, I thought Al Schnier was okay. He's obviously a B?C fanatic, as he knew every song he did with them by heart, down to the point of playing all the chords in the correct positions, even playing Allen's [or Eric's, depending on the song] parts just like he would have. And his solo in LDoM was a gem. This guy clearly admires BD's playing, and he def. played a 'Buck' solo on that song. Was it needed, or even necessary? Of course not, but, hey, it's only rock and roll. It made this old geezer proud that a young baggy-pants hero would acknowledge that old fucks like B?C are relevant, and that the kid didn't mind getting his clock cleaned by Buck, who definitely rose to the occasion, and reminded the youngsters in the crowd who invented this stuff! > BOC's style is not one where song's structure is conducive to > meandering solos. Not so sure about this. LDoM on the DVD is really long. Telepaths and Astronomy are pretty long too, same with Reaper... They do have plenty o spots for guitar solos, but > jesus... There was 6string wankery in the Crate amps this night. > Well this is part of the problem with getting Al up to play. He wasn't plugged into his own rig, so he wasn't going to get the sound he's used to. Actually, Al played very little, and was respectfully laid back, almost to the point where Buck had to poke him to get him to solo. Al's solos weren't all that long, BTW, but they did serve to make long-ish songs all the longer. And speaking of Crate amps, uh, well, they don't seem to hold back BD's playing much, do they? BD actually plays through a POD, and bypasses the preamp of the Crate heads, just using them for power amps... > They should retire ALL the songs that were on the live DVD. Damn right! Who needs shit like Flaming Telepaths, Quicklime Girl, Harvest Moon or Lips in the Hills anyway? Hell, to hear you tell it, they may as well just retire. What the hell were you doing at the show in the first place, if you so obviously dislike the group? If they'd all dropped dead, you'd be bitching that they fell backwards instead of frontwards! A good > challenge i think. But besides this, LDom was far far too long, it was > even longer than the recent live album version with the addition of > the moe dude "trading licks" -- I felt he was an underwhelming guitar > player and didn't contribute anything but ear damaging feedback. Hmm, I was standing at the top of the step into the pit area, center stage, and Al was low in the mix. I notice you have no objection to Allen soloing, though? You figure that Al Schnier's playing is any worse than Allen's? First he's too muddy, then he's too trebly, then you can't hear him, then he's feeding back, and then he sounds like shit because he's playing through a make of amp you don't like! my > opinion of him was not helped by the fans to my right who kept > shouting the guys name between songs until he was actually on stage. But it's okay for you to holler like an idiot at a tBS gig with 5 people in the hall, right? They paid their 18 bucks, they can holler. I don't like it either, but what the fuck are you going to do? Look, if Al's presence gets even a handful of buzz-headed, backwards ballcap kids to listen to B?C, then it's an acceptable trade... > Godzilla, which he guested on, too, lost alllll momentum with solos by > the rhythm section which dont keep the song itself going. Esp. the > drumsolo. He isnt keeping time as he plays. boy he loves his > doublebass pedal (too much). You obviously never heard AB solo on this tune, did you? At least not while he was in B?C. He was always all over the place, which was perfect for what he was trying to achieve in the song. Bobby's a great drummer. Period. You may not care for his style [which I agree is too slick for my taste, too much like he belongs in an '80s hair band] but you cannot argue that the guy isn't a good drummer... And Eric intro'd Cities the same way he does on the live disc. wince. > But, to his credit, he vocal performance was decent. ... not a lot of > "hahahahah" in Flaming Telepaths. That's because they didn't have a strobe. IMHO, thy shouldn't even do the song unless they've got a strobe effect for it... > > Danny bass solo had its moments. DM is amazing. The more I listen to him the better I like his playing. He plays a big part in the recent CD/DVD releases. And he's a pretty good singer too... > Rodninelli has made songs which were peppy (cities, godzilla) into > plodding. I guess we have to agree to disagree. I'm not the biggest BR fan in the world, but he certainly doesn't detract from the band in any way. He can reel off incredible stuff all the while looking like it's no big deal... Buck was, well, Buck, and he did show some good original > takes on Burning for you's guitar solos. and Dance on Stilts is a good > number. Perfect water was good, but too loud fro the kind of song it > is. When they started Perfect Water, we went outside to party, came back in when they started Flaming Telepaths... > > The lack of a lot of songs in the set which havent been done to death > Although it was a good, long show by B?C standards [about an hour and 45 mins] they played relatively few songs, due, in part to the added length of Al's guesting... + the solo extravaganzas made it a fairly exxhausting and attention > waning night simpy said: > > For the first time EVER, I was BORED at a BOC show. After ripping you throughout this post, I have to say I WAS TOO! But for different reasons. My biggest problem was the setlist: Missing were Teen Archer, Harvest Moon and SYiB, which have been played a bit lately. Also no Lips, and no D&S in the encore, which was only 1 song as they ended late. We did get Perfect Water, which I may have heard once on the CN tour, and Telepaths, always a treat, but sadly lacking because of no strobe. I had no problem with Al Schnier guesting, but it should have been for one song, and certainly not the encore. Remember, though, that moe. is based in Utica [although I don't think Al is from there!] so it's natural that he'd go over big with the locals. Hey, B?C got Joe Bonamassa up for a song a couple years ago in New Hartford [Joe B's hometown] and no one objected, and he was nowhere near as good a fit as Al was. Love it or hate it, Al is a true B?C fan, and his band does cover Reaper, so how about cutting the guy some slack? > > BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. Depends on the band. But in this case, I agree with you. Last year's show in Albany featured an okay opening band. "It all depends on the entertainment---Jose Feliciano, you've got no complaints..." The world does not need to > hear more nu-metal+'funky 4/4 drum beat" with "angstfiled" lyrics + > lame guitar effects on the solo (not every guitar solo needs a wah, > fellas). True enough on that... Thing is you couldnt boo that opening act off the stage, > because they couldnt set up their gear ON the stage,.... they were set > up on the floor of the club Totally lame, and a bit bitchy for B?C. They should've done something so the local schmucks could at least get up on stage and look like big men in front of their old ladies. If you're going to treat the opening band like shit, why bother to have one at all? (whose name is not rock androll preserve. > its Amnesia now. bloody heck) > > Oh, interseting thing, allen had a PIANO solo at the end section of > tRandtB, but if you could hear it you'd have to have good ears. That's because that rat-bastard Al was playing through Allen's POS Crate amp right? Kind of hard for him to bi-locate! I thought tRatB was okay. In fact, hearing it made me want to get my band to tackle it in future... the > guitars on stage swamped the 88s. > > > So that's what I thought. Enjoy. or not. > Jason Well, next time they're in town, save your bucks and wait til the next tBS show! Honestly, I'm not sure what you came to the gig expecting? It was a fairly generic B?C show, nothing great, but no where near as bad as you are allowing. The band seemed to be having a ball with young Al up there on stage. His grasp of the material was impressive. You neglected to mention a couple of equipment snafus early in the show, and some seeming tension bet. EB and BD--blown song intros, EB intro-ing one song, then the band playing something else! EB seemed kind of bitchy that night. I've seen then way better, true, but it was still worth the trip... theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Nov 25 09:50:10 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:50:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] Message-ID: hi, Glad we can agree to disagree. and a good rippin to boot. so on with the show-- > If > they'd all dropped dead, you'd be bitching that they fell backwards > instead of frontwards! or complain that they chose cremation instead of proper burial. :) > you can't hear him, then he's feeding back, and then he sounds like > shit because he's playing through a make of amp you don't like! I actually had no objection to the amp type. Crate was the only name i read on more than one piece o equip. from where I was in the crowd, and simply used it for descriptive purposes of conveying the 'wankery.' I guess I just don't like songs with solos that are too long and dont move the tune anywhere. extending last days of may in the middle always hit me as being too much soloing, and loses the atmosphere of the piece. or something like that. Seein' allen actually solo for any length on the DVD made it interesting because with the exception of that weird lil blues thing they did a few years back before In Thee, I didnt really get as sense of how well he could play. > But it's okay for you to holler like an idiot at a tBS gig > with 5 people in the hall, right? Yes, if it's actually for the band on stage. my beef with the guys behind me was that they knew he'd be showing up in the set so they could have just waited. They reminded me of Homer watching Bachman turner overdrive, yelling to the band "Taking care of business" and telling the group what part of the song to play next. on that note, i was a bit surprised how long Al was on stage. 4 songs is a heckuva lot. > That's because they didn't have a strobe. IMHO, thy shouldn't even > do the song unless they've got a strobe effect for it. huh. I didnt even notice the strobelessnes of the song... the place seemed like it should have 'em, given the twirly things on the ceiling. > After ripping you throughout this post, I have to say I WAS TOO! > But for different reasons. My biggest problem was the setlist: Heh.ya gotta like that. All you would have to do was add "Before the kiss a redcap" and you had the same kind of show, more or less, that they were playing in the mid 90s... > Hey, B?C got Joe > Bonamassa up for a song a couple years ago in New Hartford [Joe > B's hometown] and no one objected, and he was nowhere near as > good a fit as Al was. Didnt they cover "Slow Down" with Joe? > was okay. In fact, hearing it made me want to get my band to > tackle it in future... Was the piano solo audible from where you were? > The band seemed to be > having a ball with young Al up there on stage. His grasp of the > material was impressive. I may or may not have it right but I thought that when they brought Al up there,eric said something about how he didn't know the song... he seemed to be watching Lanier's fretboard for guidance at the beginning, at least. > You neglected to mention a couple of > equipment snafus early in the show, and some seeming tension > bet. True about the equip. problems. It would have been cool if Buck went along and played blackbird while Bobby's drum kit was fixed. I guess my problem was they just didnt kick my ass like they used to, or at least in this showing. That, more than anything, took me by surprise at the show. In the past, the rabidity of my enjoyment of the oyster boys was comparable to a show by the Brain Surgeons. the formers reliance on the same songs for YEARS in the set just strikes me as odd, since they play them so often. But hey, if they like the tunes, more power to the oyster boys. J From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 25 09:34:07 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:34:07 EDT Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD753@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 25 Nov 2002, at 9:50, Scruton, Jason wrote: > hi, > Glad we can agree to disagree. and a good rippin to boot. > Nothin' personal dude. I respect your opinions and support your airing them here. Who wants to read a stream of unquestioning idolatry like the 'other' B?C list? > > you can't hear him, then he's feeding back, and then he sounds like > > shit because he's playing through a make of amp you don't like! > I actually had no objection to the amp type. > Crate was the only name i read on more than one piece o equip. > from where I was in the crowd, and simply used it for > descriptive purposes of conveying the 'wankery.' > All you gear fans out there: Looks like BD was using the new uber Crate amps, the larger Blue Voodoo model [although these were covered in red tolex] > I guess I just don't like songs with solos that are too long and dont > move the tune anywhere. extending last days of may in the middle > always hit me as being too much soloing, and loses the atmosphere of > the piece. or something like that. I'd normally agree with ya on this. I do like the rendition on the DVD, just because the playing is so good on it. Even Allen plays a nice, tasteful solo on it. A long solo on this song is okay as long as it doesn't ramble, and as long as it keeps building, which the DVD version does accomplish... Seein' allen actually solo for any > length on the DVD made it interesting because with the exception of > that weird lil blues thing they did a few years back before In Thee, I > didnt really get as sense of how well he could play. I"'ve been going back listening to the remasters, and it's surprising how much lead Allen does on those early discs. Did you notice how much guitar Allen played Sat. night? Even before Al got up there, Allen was playing mainly guitar, exc. Buck's Boogie... > > But it's okay for you to holler like an idiot at a tBS gig > > with 5 people in the hall, right? > Yes, if it's actually for the band on stage. > my beef with the guys behind me was that they knew he'd be showing up > in the set so they could have just waited. Just yankin' yer chain, bud! I had to relocate several times to get singing/shouting fans out of my ears. You buy a ticket to a tBS gig, you yell your ass off with my blessing! Look at it this way: a bunch of hollering fans is better than an empty club, or worse, no show at all! They reminded me of Homer > watching Bachman turner overdrive, yelling to the band "Taking care of > business" and telling the group what part of the song to play next. > ROTFLMAO! > on that note, i was a bit surprised how long Al was on stage. 4 songs > is a heckuva lot. > Agreed. Too much already. He didn't detract, IMO, as much as add unneeded length to already-long songs. One song, say, LDoM, would have been fine with me... > > That's because they didn't have a strobe. IMHO, thy shouldn't even > > do the song unless they've got a strobe effect for it. > huh. I didnt even notice the strobelessnes of the song... > the place seemed like it should have 'em, given the twirly things on > the ceiling. > Yeah, they did have those disco-twirly thing-a-ma-jigs, but not a righteous strobe effect. BD didn't shred up the solo on that tune to my liking either. Seemed to cut it short... > > After ripping you throughout this post, I have to say I WAS TOO! But > > for different reasons. My biggest problem was the setlist: > Heh.ya gotta like that. > All you would have to do was add "Before the kiss a redcap" and you > had the same kind of show, more or less, that they were playing in the > mid 90s... Yes, and they managed to cup some good stuff that's been pretty regularly included. Harvest Moon belongs in the setlist from here on. If the diehard Reaper fans don't like it, too bad. Also, why Dance on Stilts instead of Old Gods Return? Seems an easy choice, unless they actually thing it's time to branch out... > > Hey, B?C got Joe > > Bonamassa up for a song a couple years ago in New Hartford [Joe B's > > hometown] and no one objected, and he was nowhere near as good a fit > > as Al was. > Didnt they cover "Slow Down" with Joe? > Yes, not even a B?C tune. Joe is a great player, but he didn't belong there. I doubt BD would be stepping up on stage at a Joe B gig, though it wouldn't surprise me to see him jam with moe. sometime, if they can handle getting their asses kicked! > > was okay. In fact, hearing it made me want to get my band to > > tackle it in future... > Was the piano solo audible from where you were? > One or two notes maybe! > > The band seemed to be > > having a ball with young Al up there on stage. His grasp of the > > material was impressive. > I may or may not have it right but I thought that when they brought Al > up there,eric said something about how he didn't know the song... he > seemed to be watching Lanier's fretboard for guidance at the > beginning, at least. > I think it was EB who was pissed at Al's being there, and BD and Allen were fine with it. It wasn't a really great crowd either, so it's possible B?C didn't make a lot of bucks on this gig. Not sure what kind of guarantee they get for a gig like that. Seemed like the band was a bit out of sorts, really, like they weren't firing on all 8. Nothing I could put my finger on, it just didn't feel like a ripping gig... > I guess my problem was they just didnt kick my ass like they used to, > or at least in this showing. That, more than anything, took me by > surprise at the show. Agree with you here. Everything seemed just a bit off, a bit out of synch. Can't tell you why, it just was. Maybe a combination of equip. problems, small crowd, moe. fans in the house, who knows? Really a gig that's a 4-hour drive from home should be a no-brainer for B?C--they should have kicked ass... In the past, the rabidity of my enjoyment of the > oyster boys was comparable to a show by the Brain Surgeons. the > formers reliance on the same songs for YEARS in the set just strikes > me as odd, since they play them so often. But hey, if they like the > tunes, more power to the oyster boys. > I assume they do that because the fans really like the tunes. Most old geezers have a problem being nostalgia acts, and some, like B?C, seem to embrace it a bit too easily. I'd be happy as hell if they'd occasionally put a real shakeup on the set list, but I guess we have to wait til next gig... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 25 08:13:41 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:13:41 EDT Subject: BOC: Tomorrow's gig today In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD751@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 25 Nov 2002, at 8:25, Scruton, Jason wrote: > > > > Probably pretty generic. I'm hoping for Teen Archer, which would be > > even better if followed by Quicklime Girl, and maybe Flaming > > Telepaths, SYiB...I'm psyched! > > Did you go, Theo? I was up by the front, near-ish to the stage. > what did you thinkof the gig. > I sure did, buddy! Read my shred job of your review now being posted! Needless to say, perception is everything... tj From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Nov 25 11:40:29 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:40:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] Message-ID: > All you gear fans out there: Looks like BD was using the new uber > Crate amps, the larger Blue Voodoo model [although these were > covered in red tolex] A question about Buck: he's been playing the cheeseburger guitar a lot, but why doesn't he use the guitar he designed? > I"'ve been going back listening to the remasters, and it's surprising > how much lead Allen does on those early discs. Did you notice > how much guitar Allen played Sat. night? Even before Al got up > there, Allen was playing mainly guitar, exc. Buck's Boogie... Yeah, eric was confined to kybds. for the most part. > Stilts instead of Old Gods Return? Seems an easy choice, unless > they actually thing it's time to branch out... huh! i looked at the set, songwise eric sang 5 to Bucks 7* (including buck's boogie, cuz... well... its his boogie) > I think it was EB who was pissed at Al's being there, and BD and > Allen were fine with it. Erid did uncaracteristically swear before Godzilla (i think), saying Al would stay on the stage for a few song n' adding, "why the fuck not?" My Fave godzilla performace is on SEE. was that possibly editted short, since AB had his drum solo in the tune? or was it maybe recorded at a time when he did his break during Buck's Boogie (a la Live 1976) > synch. Can't tell you why, it just was. Maybe a combination of > equip. problems, small crowd, moe. fans in the house, who knows? Or being muscled by the utica mafia?:) fun fun fun in the sun sun sun Jason From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 25 11:48:02 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:48:02 -0000 Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] Message-ID: ?? Where? Where? Where? Enquiring minds need to know! Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson > > I"'ve been going back listening to the remasters, and it's surprising > how much lead Allen does on those early discs. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 25 12:14:37 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:14:37 EDT Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD754@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 25 Nov 2002, at 11:40, Scruton, Jason wrote: > > All you gear fans out there: Looks like BD was using the new uber > > Crate amps, the larger Blue Voodoo model [although these were > > covered in red tolex] > > A question about Buck: he's been playing the cheeseburger guitar a > lot, but why doesn't he use the guitar he designed? > No idea, but I suspect the EdBerger/Cheeseberger is his most reliable axe. He plays it throughout the DVD, so he must have used the guitar that he depends upon most, as he couldn't afford to have guitar trouble on a videotaped gig. Most road warriors play their most reliable gtrs at gigs, not nec. the ones they like best or that sound best, unless they're like the old B?C when you can haul all the gear ya want... As for the EdBerger, it was assembled for BD by the notorious Ed Roman, a big fan, so it's likely an amalgam of the best parts ER could put together... > > I"'ve been going back listening to the remasters, and it's > > surprising how much lead Allen does on those early discs. Did you > > notice how much guitar Allen played Sat. night? Even before Al got > > up there, Allen was playing mainly guitar, exc. Buck's Boogie... > > Yeah, eric was confined to kybds. for the most part. > Maybe that's why he was so grouchy? Maybe he just doesn't like things stirred up too much? > > Stilts instead of Old Gods Return? Seems an easy choice, unless > > they actually thing it's time to branch out... > huh! i looked at the set, songwise > eric sang 5 to Bucks 7* (including buck's boogie, > cuz... well... its his boogie) > Good on ya! Never even thought of it. They were doing Old Gods for a while there, and I thought it went over very well... > > I think it was EB who was pissed at Al's being there, and BD and > > Allen were fine with it. > Erid did uncaracteristically swear before Godzilla (i think), saying > Al would stay on the stage for a few song n' adding, "why the fuck > not?" My Fave godzilla performace is on SEE. was that possibly editted > short, since AB had his drum solo in the tune? or was it maybe > recorded at a time when he did his break during Buck's Boogie (a la > Live 1976) > Good question. Probably just edited down for SEE... > > synch. Can't tell you why, it just was. Maybe a combination of > > equip. problems, small crowd, moe. fans in the house, who knows? > Or being muscled by the utica mafia?:) Don't tempt me! My old boss was murdered in Utica, and the crime was never solved! True story, I don't think they ever even questioned anybody. We all figured it was a mob hit... theo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Nov 25 13:26:47 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:26:47 EST Subject: BOC: at Utica, should [i] care? [LONG] Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:15:10 PM Central Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > No idea, but I suspect the EdBerger/Cheeseberger is his most > reliable axe. He plays it throughout the DVD, so he must have used > the guitar that he depends upon most, as he couldn't afford to have > guitar trouble on a videotaped gig. Most road warriors play their > most reliable gtrs at gigs, not nec. the ones they like best or that > sound best, unless they're like the old B?C when you can haul all > the gear ya want... > > As for the EdBerger, it was assembled for BD by the notorious Ed > Roman, a big fan, so it's likely an amalgam of the best parts ER > could put together... > Try Buck's Guitar Gallery for pics and explanations: Buck Dharma's Guitar Gallery chuck From joe.e at TELIA.COM Mon Nov 25 13:42:48 2002 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:42:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers all, second call Message-ID: >> P.S. Can somebody *please* tell me the color paper that was used for the >> four original cassettes? Certainly some list old-timers are here with these >> handy? :) > >Yep: they are, on the versions that I produced (Dave Berry handled >the UK/rest-of-world duplication IIRC): > >- Vol I: I am a clone...: pink >- Vol II: Shadows of the hawk: light blue >- Vol III: Charged with...: white >- Vol IV: Designed to Rob...: orange in true Hawkwindish spirit the releases was slightly different. European release were all white. .joe From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 25 14:24:56 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:24:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: at Utica In-Reply-To: <3DE1FC9D.12165.BD05A3@localhost> Message-ID: Looks like fate kept me from a mediocre BOC gig! The karate testing I had in the morning went way longer than I thought it would, then I got a flat tire (in freezing rain conditions). Toss in a little general exhaustion and the prospects of 5hrs. total driving time and I decided to opt for my warm, comfortable, oversized couch instead. Watching the DVD isn't the same, but Saturday night it was close enough...I just needed my next door neighbors to come over and yell "Play Reaper!" in my ears through the whole thing. ;-) Brian NP> Gov't Mule "The Deep End Vol. 2" From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 14:41:05 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:41:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Canterbury live - 2003? Message-ID: Hi Alisa, That is the correct date. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: HW: Canterbury live - 2003? > Hi, > > Amazon.co.uk says: "This item will be released on 3 February, 2003. " > > Alisa > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 14:49:40 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:49:40 -0000 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Nobody related to Hawkwind is playing on December 7th in Preston; it was a mis-advertisement by the venue. Mind you, maybe Harvey Bainbridge could be persuaded to play; he lives in Preston! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Roy Varley" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Preston?... > Boc-L > > It was me who made the original post to the list, but not me who had the tickets (Brian Coulthard??). > > I have the ad from a Preston paper about 3 or 4 weeks ago. It gives very little info - just says The Original Hawkwind coming soon to the Marquee, Aqueduct Street (Preston). No date is given. It also says tickets are now on sale - call 01772 883617 for more information. > > I haven't called for info as I probably can't make it anyway on Dec 7 (I seem to recall someone else posted that as the date), but I'd be interested to know who, if anyone, is playing! > > Martin > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 25 15:24:57 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:24:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD prices Message-ID: Although Stephe is correct about most import prices, it's probably worth noting (since this may be what Keith is asking about?), that Voiceprint CD's seem to *mostly* go for domestic prices in the US ... i.e. around $12- $15 for a single CD, $20-$26 for a double (this also being the case for Fall reissues [thank you, Voiceprint!!!], etc., not just Hawkwind). Although every so often, I see them for import prices (more like $25 for a single CD ... in a couple cases, I've seen two copies of the same CD ['Spacebrock', maybe] at the same store, one @ ~$15 and one @ ~$25!). Also, keep in mind that certain large US retail chains sell CD's (mostly current major label stuff) at small or non-existent markups as "loss leaders" to try to get you into the store to buy a DVD player or digital camera or minidisc walkman or new washing machine or ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:51:41 -0500, stephe lindas wrote: >It can range from $9.99 up to $19.99 for domestic. Imports usually >start at $19.99. It all really depends on where you go. Its easier >to find better prices online. Cheers Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Captain Bl at ck" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:08 PM >Subject: HW: CD prices > > >Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? > >Thanks, > >Captain Bl at ck. From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Nov 25 15:29:49 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:29:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD prices In-Reply-To: <200211252024.PAA20094@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I usually find at my borders a limited supply of "newer" Hawkwind CD's (for instance the collectors series) for prices that are comparible to "domestic" releases for single and double CD's. That is when they actually have them. Mike ________________________________ The shortest distance between two points is under construction. -- Noelie Altito ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Doug Pearson ::->Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:25 PM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: Re: OFF: CD prices ::-> ::-> ::->Although Stephe is correct about most import prices, it's probably worth ::->noting (since this may be what Keith is asking about?), that Voiceprint ::->CD's seem to *mostly* go for domestic prices in the US ... i.e. ::->around $12- ::->$15 for a single CD, $20-$26 for a double (this also being the case for ::->Fall reissues [thank you, Voiceprint!!!], etc., not just Hawkwind). ::->Although every so often, I see them for import prices (more ::->like $25 for a ::->single CD ... in a couple cases, I've seen two copies of the same CD ::->['Spacebrock', maybe] at the same store, one @ ~$15 and one @ ~$25!). ::-> ::->Also, keep in mind that certain large US retail chains sell CD's (mostly ::->current major label stuff) at small or non-existent markups as "loss ::->leaders" to try to get you into the store to buy a DVD player or digital ::->camera or minidisc walkman or new washing machine or ... ::-> ::-> -Doug ::-> jasret at mindspring.com ::-> ::->On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:51:41 -0500, stephe lindas ::->wrote: ::->>It can range from $9.99 up to $19.99 for domestic. Imports usually ::->>start at $19.99. It all really depends on where you go. Its easier ::->>to find better prices online. Cheers Stephe ::->>----- Original Message ----- ::->>From: "Captain Bl at ck" ::->>To: ::->>Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:08 PM ::->>Subject: HW: CD prices ::->> ::->> ::->>Can anyone tell me how much CD's normally retail for in the USA? ::->> ::->>Thanks, ::->> ::->>Captain Bl at ck. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 25 15:33:57 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:33:57 -0500 Subject: OFF:An Open Letter to Rolling Stone by Joan Jett Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:11:41 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >.........she's already denied that this originated with her, by the way. >bobm Hmmm ... too bad, since the sentiments expressed seem "right on" to me (although I'd contend that anyone looking for real music criticism in 'Rolling Stone' needs to have his or her head examined). Incidentally, in his autobiography 'White Line Fever', Lemmy mentions that Joan Jett was wearing his ammo belt for the Runaways' first-ever London gig. He adds that Lita was his favorite Runaway, but Joan looked the meanest (he also has one more juicy tidbit of Runaways gossip, but you can buy the book for that one). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 25 15:47:44 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:47:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Potential new BOC/HW fan and bass player Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:00:08 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:34:49PM -0700, Brad Dahl wrote: >> Oh yeah, there are a few of us who started out wanting to be bass >> players. > >Somehow I suspect Lemmy was one. Surprisingly ... Bzzzzzt. No. Wrong. Incorrect. He started out wanting to play guitar in order to get girls (duh!). He played guitar in at least four bands (Motown Set, Rockin' Vicars, Sam Gopal's Escalator, Opal Butterfly) before joining Hawkwind. He originally wanted to join Hawkwind as guitarist to replace Huw. He only joined Hawkwind because Dave Anderson didn't show up for a free show, and Dik Mik said to the rest of the band, "hey, my mate Lemmy plays bass" (a lie), followed by Nik: "This is called 'You Shouldn't Do That', make some noises in 'E'" (at which point the band played an entirely different song, which seems to be pretty indicative of Lemmy & Nik's relationship in Hawkwind). source: 'White Line Fever'. Buy it (amazon.co.uk if you're on the wrong side of the pond). Read it. It rules. >The way I read FZ's original, it wasn't a matter of having little >to offer, as much as of just losing the argument over who gets to >play lead guitar. Did anyone see the recent Simpson's episode with the "rock&roll holiday camp"? Not very funny, unfortunately, except for the bit where they're handing out instruments, and NOBODY wants the bass ... they ALL want to play guitar. -Doug (who always DID want to play bass) jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Mon Nov 25 16:17:34 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:17:34 +0300 Subject: HW: Canterbury live - 2003? Message-ID: > Hi Alisa, > > That is the correct date. So long to wait... Alisa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 25 17:20:24 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:50:24 +1030 Subject: Preston?... Message-ID: Bummer - wish I known that when i was there. Not that it would have made any difference. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J Allen To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Preston?... > Nobody related to Hawkwind is playing on December 7th in Preston; it was a > mis-advertisement by the venue. > > Mind you, maybe Harvey Bainbridge could be persuaded to play; he lives in > Preston! From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 17:36:03 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:36:03 -0000 Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets Message-ID: Hi For some reason I've been sent a couple of free tickets to the London Classic Rock Festival 2002 for Saturday 30th November 2002 to see Uriah Heep and Asia at the Shepherds Bush Empire. If anyone is interested in them please get in touch by email and I'll pass them on. I guess it means that audience numbers must be considerably fewer than the organisers were hoping. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 25 18:26:05 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:26:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Weird 6, HW Family Box Message-ID: Recently spotted HW product: - "Weird 6", Can$28 (= ?11, US$18) - "HW Family Box", Can$50 (= ?20, US$32) If anyone wants these, let me know. If you're going to be at any of the HW gigs from Dec. 5-13 inclusive, so much the better -- I can deliver it in person, so no postage charge. WARNING re. The Family Box: it's just four previously-released Cleopatra/Hypnotic CDs in a box, one not even meaningfully HW-related. BOC-L was very unimpressed when it first came out. I'm only mentioning it because might be good for someone who doesn't have any of those CDs yet. If you're considering it, please read this first: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006D&L=BOC-L&P=R3635 But someone said they got a different Spiral Realms CD instead of "G9", and someone else said they got Calvert's "Freq Revisited" instead of the Took. The entire thread can be found here: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S2=boc-l&L=BOC-L&q=family+box&s=&f=&a=june+2000&b=june+2000 -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Mon Nov 25 18:34:50 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:34:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird 6, HW Family Box In-Reply-To: <20021125182605.E24182@telepres.com> Message-ID: Hi there I'd be very interested in the Weird6 cd as it's the only one of the Weird CD's that I don't have. I'll be at the Xmas gig in Walthamstow. Cheers Horse On 25 Nov 2002 at 18:26, Eric Siegerman wrote: > Recently spotted HW product: > - "Weird 6", Can$28 (= ?11, US$18) > - "HW Family Box", Can$50 (= ?20, US$32) > > If anyone wants these, let me know. If you're going to be at any > of the HW gigs from Dec. 5-13 inclusive, so much the better -- I > can deliver it in person, so no postage charge. > > WARNING re. The Family Box: it's just four previously-released > Cleopatra/Hypnotic CDs in a box, one not even meaningfully > HW-related. BOC-L was very unimpressed when it first came out. > I'm only mentioning it because might be good for someone who > doesn't have any of those CDs yet. > > If you're considering it, please read this first: > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006D&L=BOC-L&P=R3635 > But someone said they got a different Spiral Realms CD instead of > "G9", and someone else said they got Calvert's "Freq Revisited" > instead of the Took. The entire thread can be found here: > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S2=boc-l&L=BOC-L&q=family+box&s=&f=&a=june+2000&b=june+2000 > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. > - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 25 19:00:21 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:00:21 EST Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/2002 5:38:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << I guess it means that audience numbers must be considerably fewer than the organisers were hoping. >> I heard your the only one with tickets;( . I think its been cancelled. Nektar was forced to withdraw about 3 weeks ago. b From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Nov 26 03:25:26 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:25:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets Message-ID: B.S. follows... :) > In a message dated 11/25/2002 5:38:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > << I guess it > means that audience numbers must be considerably fewer than the > organisers were hoping. >> > > I heard your the only one with tickets;( . I think its been > cancelled. Nektar was forced to withdraw about 3 weeks ago. Well, you're right about Nektar...Originally, I think only the German tour was cancelled and they had planned to do the Shepherd's Bush gig, but now I see they've been forced out of that too for some reason. But I think the gig is still on with somebody to replace them. At least at http://www.classicrockproductions.com there seems to be no indication that the event is kaputt. But given the lack of Nektar performing, I can see why interest has started to wane. Waiting patiently for Nektar and Amon Duul II, but I only have *so* much patience. :) Grakkl (FAA) From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 06:48:31 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:48:31 +0000 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021124044220.00693594@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in London. On the other hand, who remembers the horrible Miss Daisy at Hammersmith? -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 26 06:12:26 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:12:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Nov 2002, at 11:48, Tim Hall wrote: > Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > >BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. > > Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in > London. > Details, please. What's Carl up to? Who else is in the group? theo From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 07:44:50 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:44:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) In-Reply-To: <3DE31ED9.4384.46BEC@localhost> Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: >> Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in >> London. >> >Details, please. What's Carl up to? Who else is in the group? I don't know the names of the other two band members. It's a power trio (guitar, bass, drums) playing guitar-based versions of ELP material like 'Toccata' and 'Fanfare' Unfortunately I only caught part of their set - don't know if they played any new material as well. -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 08:08:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:08:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Signed Huw DVDs Message-ID: Just to say that I've got some signed copies of the Huw Lloyd-Langton Live DVD in stock now (a limited edition batch of 6!). If you're interested, please order as usual using details at http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm but make *sure* to mention when ordering that you want a *signed* copy! ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 26 08:10:43 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:10:43 -0000 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) Message-ID: The bassist is called Dave Marks. I used to gig with him here in Belfast. He's a monster player. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Hall To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) > Ted Jackson wrote: > > >> Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in > >> London. > >> > >Details, please. What's Carl up to? Who else is in the group? > > I don't know the names of the other two band members. It's a power > trio (guitar, bass, drums) playing guitar-based versions of ELP > material like 'Toccata' and 'Fanfare' > > Unfortunately I only caught part of their set - don't know if they > played any new material as well. > -- > Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com > Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 26 08:14:25 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:14:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had to pain through some band called Antigone Rising.. which should have been called Rising Agony. Waaay too much 20's to 30's female angst for this old 41yr old to understand. (Northern Lights 10/18/02). I HATE it when the have an opening band. I ever arrived late so as to miss said band.. only to find that they had started late.. GO figure Mike ________________________________ A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election. -- Bill Vaughan ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Tim Hall ::->Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:49 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) ::-> ::-> ::->Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: ::-> ::->>BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. ::-> ::->Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in ::->London. ::-> ::->On the other hand, who remembers the horrible Miss Daisy at ::->Hammersmith? ::->-- ::->Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com ::->Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Tue Nov 26 12:39:24 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:39:24 -0500 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: IF you didnt know all you instrement players out there, Mars Music is going out of business nationwide in the US... the sales are getting into the 40% and higher range. rock with value From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 12:50:28 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:50:28 -0000 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) Message-ID: > > >BOC should NOT have opening acts, either. > > Unless it's someone as good as the Carl Palmer band, like we had in > London. > AAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!! Don't remind me! :-) Each to his own I guess... ;-) Cheers, Rich. From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 13:15:15 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:15:15 +0000 Subject: BOC: Supports (Was: at Utica, but why should we care?) In-Reply-To: <01c101c29574$4f0b70d0$9e4d27d9@bernard> Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: >AAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!! > >Don't remind me! Too late. Now I will remind you again of Miss Daisy, support at Hammersmith in the 80s "We are Meeess Daisy! We are from Eeeeetaly!" 3 songs in and a stampede for the bar... -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 17:57:15 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:57:15 -0000 Subject: Preston?... In-Reply-To: <003e01c294bb$cb9aa4e0$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Good Evening I do have the tickets which I got from Ticketline. I rang the Venue who confirm Hawkwind definitely are not playing although Ticketline at the moment are reluctant to give me my money back saying the gig is on hold and they do not have confirmation of cancellation, I suggested that they ring the venue themselves looks like it will be Manchester for me then. Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Colin J Allen Sent: 25 November 2002 07:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Preston?... Nobody related to Hawkwind is playing on December 7th in Preston; it was a mis-advertisement by the venue. Mind you, maybe Harvey Bainbridge could be persuaded to play; he lives in Preston! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Roy Varley" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Preston?... > Boc-L > > It was me who made the original post to the list, but not me who had > the tickets (Brian Coulthard??). > > I have the ad from a Preston paper about 3 or 4 weeks ago. It gives > very little info - just says The Original Hawkwind coming soon to the Marquee, Aqueduct Street (Preston). No date is given. It also says tickets are now on sale - call 01772 883617 for more information. > > I haven't called for info as I probably can't make it anyway on Dec 7 > (I seem to recall someone else posted that as the date), but I'd be interested to know who, if anyone, is playing! > > Martin > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 19:53:10 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:53:10 -0000 Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets Message-ID: Can you confirm this, I've got a ticket for Nektar on Friday. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Stewart To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 26 November 2002 01:19 Subject: Re: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets >In a message dated 11/25/2002 5:38:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > ><< I guess it > means that audience numbers must be considerably fewer than the > organisers were hoping. >> > >I heard your the only one with tickets;( . I think its been cancelled. Nektar >was forced to withdraw about 3 weeks ago. > >b > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 26 19:59:48 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:59:48 -0500 Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets In-Reply-To: <009801c295af$5ce01540$dc48893e@default>; from dave@PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:53:10AM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:53:10AM -0000, dave hall wrote: > Can you confirm this, I've got a ticket for Nektar on Friday. http://www.nektarmusic.co.uk/introduction.htm -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM Tue Nov 26 20:26:32 2002 From: fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM (Frank Cinnella) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:26:32 -0500 Subject: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets In-Reply-To: <20021126195948.A11222@telepres.com> Message-ID: Nektar cancelled their appearance at this show due to Classic Rock Productions pulling their sponsorship for a tour. You can get refunds direct from Classic Rock Productions but not the Box Office. Frank -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:53:10AM -0000, dave hall wrote: > Can you confirm this, I've got a ticket for Nektar on Friday. http://www.nektarmusic.co.uk/introduction.htm -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 26 23:08:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:09 +1030 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to look ----- Original Message ----- From: Scruton, Jason To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:09 AM Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > IF you didnt know all you instrement players out there, > > Mars Music is going out of business nationwide in the US... > the sales are getting into the 40% and higher range. > > rock with value > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 27 06:23:55 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:23:55 EDT Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) In-Reply-To: <003401c295ca$991640a0$12e8223f@laptop> Message-ID: On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to look > > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, it redirects you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter Fender... If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 27 10:56:27 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:26:27 +1030 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to look > > > > > > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, it redirects > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter > Fender... > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... > > theo From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Nov 27 09:35:58 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:35:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Mike Burro radio interview ; Tuesday December 3, 8:00 PM est Message-ID: Hello friends, I was contacted by a radio network in Ohio with regard to doing a feature interview on Tuesday, December 8th ( next Tuesday ). If you go to the station website URL, you'll see a complete schedule of programming. The show I'll be on is called 'Struzzin Spotlight'. The time slot is 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, so if your in another zone, adjust accordingly. For you Ohio folks, I don't know the call numbers, however even if you're not in the immediate area the show will be broadcast live over the net. You can tune in at: http://www.struzzin.com/am/radio/html Check it out, there are interesting things here! I'll be discussing skiffle, blues, Richmond R&B and of course Space Rock. I'll also discuss the upcoming sessions in South London and how the new project is uniting three generations of musicians. Cheers and all the best! Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.cafepress.com/oebs www.mp3.com/sloterdijk From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Nov 27 10:16:55 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:16:55 -0400 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: Mike Burro radio interview URL correction Message-ID: http://www.struzzin.com/am/radio./html ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:36 AM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: Mike Burro radio interview ; Tuesday December 3, 8:00 PM est Hello friends, I was contacted by a radio network in Ohio with regard to doing a feature interview on Tuesday, December 8th ( next Tuesday ). If you go to the station website URL, you'll see a complete schedule of programming. The show I'll be on is called 'Struzzin Spotlight'. The time slot is 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, so if your in another zone, adjust accordingly. For you Ohio folks, I don't know the call numbers, however even if you're not in the immediate area the show will be broadcast live over the net. You can tune in at: http://www.struzzin.com/am/radio/html Check it out, there are interesting things here! I'll be discussing skiffle, blues, Richmond R&B and of course Space Rock. I'll also discuss the upcoming sessions in South London and how the new project is uniting three generations of musicians. Cheers and all the best! Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.cafepress.com/oebs www.mp3.com/sloterdijk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Nov 27 13:45:08 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:45:08 -0500 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: Wot's wrong with Fender? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Jackson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > > > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to look > > > > > > > > > > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, it redirects > > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real > > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter > > Fender... > > > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. > > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... > > > > theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 27 14:58:53 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:58:53 -0500 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:23:55 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, it redirects >you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real >bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter >Fender... > >If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. >Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... It's been my understanding that the Mars Music liquidation sale is only at actual store locations, not on the Internet. And from what I've heard, most of the serious bargains were grabbed up weeks ago. But I dunno, there's no Mars stores in the Bay Area ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 27 17:38:44 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:08:44 +1030 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: Leo Fender is a perfectly nice fellow. I already have one of his guitars even if it needs some repairs. I want a gibson now is all. ----- Original Message ----- From: stephe lindas To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > Wot's wrong with Fender? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > > > A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ted Jackson > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM > > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > > > > > > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, it redirects > > > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real > > > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter > > > Fender... > > > > > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. > > > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... > > > > > > theo > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Nov 27 17:41:52 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:41:52 -0500 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) In-Reply-To: <001901c29665$be938f40$79cd223f@studio> Message-ID: Marshall rules but Fender controls. _____________________________________________ Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Michael Blackman ::Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:39 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) :: :: ::Leo Fender is a perfectly nice fellow. I already have one of his guitars ::even if it needs some repairs. I want a gibson now is all. :: :: ::----- Original Message ----- ::From: stephe lindas ::To: ::Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:15 AM ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) :: :: ::> Wot's wrong with Fender? ::> ----- Original Message ----- ::> From: "Michael Blackman" ::> To: ::> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:56 AM ::> Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) ::> ::> ::> > A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) ::> > ::> > ::> > ::> > ----- Original Message ----- ::> > From: Ted Jackson ::> > To: ::> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM ::> > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) ::> > ::> > ::> > > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: ::> > > ::> > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to ::look ::> > > > ::> > > > ::> > > > ::> > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, ::it redirects ::> > > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real ::> > > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter ::> > > Fender... ::> > > ::> > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. ::> > > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... ::> > > ::> > > theo ::> From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 27 17:49:42 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:19:42 +1030 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: I have a fender stage 100dsp very very nice amp. Previously I had a Marshall valevaste VS100R combo which was good but I like the fender much more. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > Marshall rules but Fender controls. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak > it to? > > -- Clarence Darrow > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Michael Blackman > ::Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:39 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > :: > :: > ::Leo Fender is a perfectly nice fellow. I already have one of his guitars > ::even if it needs some repairs. I want a gibson now is all. > :: > :: > ::----- Original Message ----- > ::From: stephe lindas > ::To: > ::Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:15 AM > ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > :: > :: > ::> Wot's wrong with Fender? > ::> ----- Original Message ----- > ::> From: "Michael Blackman" > ::> To: > ::> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:56 AM > ::> Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > ::> > ::> > ::> > A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) > ::> > > ::> > > ::> > > ::> > ----- Original Message ----- > ::> > From: Ted Jackson > ::> > To: > ::> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM > ::> > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > ::> > > ::> > > ::> > > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > ::> > > > ::> > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to > ::look > ::> > > > > ::> > > > > ::> > > > > ::> > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, > ::it redirects > ::> > > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real > ::> > > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter > ::> > > Fender... > ::> > > > ::> > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. > ::> > > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... > ::> > > > ::> > > theo > ::> From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 27 18:55:42 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:55:42 -0000 Subject: Nektar: Classic Rock Festival Tickets Message-ID: Thanks for the posts on this. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Eric Siegerman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 November 2002 00:59 Subject: Re: Off: Classic Rock Festival Tickets >On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:53:10AM -0000, dave hall wrote: >> Can you confirm this, I've got a ticket for Nektar on Friday. > >http://www.nektarmusic.co.uk/introduction.htm > >-- > >| | /\ >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com >| | / >Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. > - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) > From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Nov 27 21:43:09 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Free tickets, anyone? Message-ID: Dear BOC-L'ers I received the following email from the webmaster of http://www.vip- 24.com. I've not bought anything from these folks but others here have vouched for them as a reputable outlet. --------------------------------------- Hi, A quick email to let you know that we have a competition for free tickets to see Hawkwind in the UK. You can find details on this by clicking the competition link on the first page of our site. We also have over 500 items for sale by Hawkwind on the web site. Trust this info will be of interest to your visitors. Would you like to swap links? Regards, Rob VIP Administration Tel 0116 2244300 info at vip-24.com Visit the world's only online music fair at http://www.vip-24.com Wembley Music & Film fair 30 Nov and 1 Dec. 400 tables. Meet Paul Di'anno, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Glen Matlock, Ian McLagan, Caroline Munro, Ingrid Pitt. --------------------------------------- Also, can anyone confirm the post on the Yahoo group by Nik Turner's webmaster/mistress saying that then Brock-Turner war is over? Cheers Steve From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Wed Nov 27 23:58:18 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:58:18 -0500 Subject: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) Message-ID: There were some fantastic bargains to be had at the local Mars just up the street from where I live. You could pick up a Fender Super Reverb for $775.00.... they had a Mesa Boogie Road King as well.... all manner of high-end acoustics by Taylor and Gibson... lots of Les Pauls and various Stratocasters etc... most of the good stuff disappeared pretty fast though. It makes me regret not having snatched up more while I had the chance. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net > I have a fender stage 100dsp very very nice amp. Previously I had a > Marshall valevaste VS100R combo which was good but I like the fender much > more. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Montfort > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > > > Marshall rules but Fender controls. > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak > > it to? > > > > -- Clarence Darrow > > > > > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > ::Behalf Of Michael Blackman > > ::Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:39 PM > > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > :: > > :: > > ::Leo Fender is a perfectly nice fellow. I already have one of his > guitars > > ::even if it needs some repairs. I want a gibson now is all. > > :: > > :: > > ::----- Original Message ----- > > ::From: stephe lindas > > ::To: > > ::Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:15 AM > > ::Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > :: > > :: > > ::> Wot's wrong with Fender? > > ::> ----- Original Message ----- > > ::> From: "Michael Blackman" > > ::> To: > > ::> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:56 AM > > ::> Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > ::> > > ::> > > ::> > A fender? I wanna gibson. ;-) > > ::> > > > ::> > > > ::> > > > ::> > ----- Original Message ----- > > ::> > From: Ted Jackson > > ::> > To: > > ::> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 PM > > ::> > Subject: Re: OFF:Pious bird of good omen (mars music) > > ::> > > > ::> > > > ::> > > On 27 Nov 2002, at 14:38, Michael Blackman wrote: > > ::> > > > > ::> > > > How can I find my way over there in my cyber jet. Im curious to > > ::look > > ::> > > > > > ::> > > > > > ::> > > > > > ::> > > Cool yer, uh, jets. If you try to get on Mars web site, > > ::it redirects > > ::> > > you to Musician's Friend, their parent company. Which is a real > > ::> > > bummer, as I couldn't wait to buy myself a nice cookie-cutter > > ::> > > Fender... > > ::> > > > > ::> > > If anyone figures how to get on their site, kindly post it here. > > ::> > > Might be able to score some cables or strings at a good price... > > ::> > > > > ::> > > theo > > ::> From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 28 04:42:49 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:12:49 +1030 Subject: HW: Free tickets, anyone? Message-ID: Yo steve - Is that link typed pwoperly? it looks a bit bunged to me and I dont' know how to fix it lol ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Youles To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: HW: Free tickets, anyone? > Dear BOC-L'ers > > I received the following email from the webmaster of http://www.vip- > 24.com. I've not bought anything from these folks but others here have > vouched for them as a reputable outlet. > > --------------------------------------- > Hi, > > A quick email to let you know that we have a competition for free > tickets to see Hawkwind in the UK. You can find details on this by clicking > the competition link on the first page of our site. > We also have over 500 items for sale by Hawkwind on the web site. > Trust this info will be of interest to your visitors. > Would you like to swap links? > Regards, > > Rob > VIP Administration > Tel 0116 2244300 > info at vip-24.com > Visit the world's only online music fair at http://www.vip-24.com > Wembley Music & Film fair 30 Nov and 1 Dec. 400 tables. > Meet Paul Di'anno, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Glen Matlock, Ian McLagan, > Caroline Munro, Ingrid Pitt. > > --------------------------------------- > > Also, can anyone confirm the post on the Yahoo group by Nik Turner's > webmaster/mistress saying that then Brock-Turner war is over? > > Cheers > > Steve From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 04:45:02 2002 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:45:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Free tickets, anyone? In-Reply-To: <004401c296c2$84122a40$adcb223f@studio> Message-ID: Click on the bottom link, Comp is for free tickets for Birmingham 15th Dec Cheers, Andy At 20:12 28/11/02 +1030, you wrote: >Yo steve - Is that link typed pwoperly? it looks a bit bunged to me and I >dont' know how to fix it lol > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Youles >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:13 PM >Subject: HW: Free tickets, anyone? > > >> Dear BOC-L'ers >> >> I received the following email from the webmaster of http://www.vip- >> 24.com. I've not bought anything from these folks but others here have >> vouched for them as a reputable outlet. >> >> --------------------------------------- >> Hi, >> >> A quick email to let you know that we have a competition for free >> tickets to see Hawkwind in the UK. You can find details on this by >clicking >> the competition link on the first page of our site. >> We also have over 500 items for sale by Hawkwind on the web site. >> Trust this info will be of interest to your visitors. >> Would you like to swap links? >> Regards, >> >> Rob >> VIP Administration >> Tel 0116 2244300 >> info at vip-24.com >> Visit the world's only online music fair at http://www.vip-24.com >> Wembley Music & Film fair 30 Nov and 1 Dec. 400 tables. >> Meet Paul Di'anno, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Glen Matlock, Ian McLagan, >> Caroline Munro, Ingrid Pitt. >> >> --------------------------------------- >> >> Also, can anyone confirm the post on the Yahoo group by Nik Turner's >> webmaster/mistress saying that then Brock-Turner war is over? >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve > From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Thu Nov 28 08:59:36 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:59:36 -0500 Subject: A Very HW Christmas Message-ID: I won't be making it to the Christmas show this year but was wondering if someone could pick up a shirt and any other unique collectables if available at the event? Arin? I'll send you out some money in advance. Well hopefully soon I'll be getting around to posting my experiences at the HW Summer Camp... better late than never I suppose. My HW webpage should also be back up before too long with a bunch of new photos taken at the event. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 28 08:57:15 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:27:15 +1030 Subject: A Very HW Christmas Message-ID: Why didn't I think of that ;-) Could someone perhaps score me a tshirt and a tour program or something from the mini tour?..... Will pay no probleemo - please please please???? Cheers Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: A Very HW Christmas > I won't be making it to the Christmas show this year but was wondering if > someone could pick up a shirt and any other unique collectables if available > at the event? Arin? I'll send you out some money in advance. > > Well hopefully soon I'll be getting around to posting my experiences at the > HW Summer Camp... better late than never I suppose. My HW webpage should > also be back up before too long with a bunch of new photos taken at the > event. > John Majka > jmajka2 at comcast.net > From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR Thu Nov 28 16:20:24 2002 From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:20:24 +0100 Subject: Black & Blue In-Reply-To: <200207161228.IAA07138@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Any news of this DVD? I can't find it in Europe... Cheers, JCMoriaud, BOC fan from France > -----Message d'origine----- > De : BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] De la part de The Rocker > Envoy? : mardi 16 juillet 2002 14:28 > ? : BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Objet : BOC: Black & Blue > > > Classic Pictures is going to release the a DVD of the > legendary Black & Blue concert by BLUE OYSTER CULT and BLACK > SABBATH. It is still in production but the legendary film > will become a DVD! This long out of print movie is a must own > for all fans of BOC, Sabbath and hard rock and metal. Look > for an official press release soon. > ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran?ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 19:04:25 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:04:25 -0000 Subject: Black & Blue Message-ID: Wotcha JC - I don't think this actually exists - yet. Mind you, I'm ver' ver' drunk. So I could well be talking utter shit. I dunno - is Black and Blue available on DVD? Let's face it - after all these years of haranguing them to release it on vid, they're not going to release it in DVD are they??? Guys? F**k 'em and the horse they rode in on. Not a chance. I'll be ver' ver' happy if they do tho'. Cheers, A ver' ver' drunk Rich. :-) > Any news of this DVD? I can't find it in Europe... > > Cheers, JCMoriaud, BOC fan from France > > > Objet : BOC: Black & Blue > > > > > > Classic Pictures is going to release the a DVD of the > > legendary Black & Blue concert by BLUE OYSTER CULT and BLACK > > SABBATH. It is still in production but the legendary film > > will become a DVD! This long out of print movie is a must own > > for all fans of BOC, Sabbath and hard rock and metal. Look > > for an official press release soon. > > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 28 20:43:39 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:43:39 +0000 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: I must say.... cheer's MR...and this ain't a conspiracy! >From: Ben Fagin >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:34 -0000 > >Hello All, > >I have started a Yahoo! Group purely for off topic rants. And of course >anything about the Hawklords themselves. > >Moorcock discussion and Social/General discussion welcome. > >Like Hawkwind? Read Moorcock? Into Motorhead? Does Elton make you sick? >Shall we hang the Queen? This is the place to view your airs. The group >was inspired by The Hawkwind Sci-Fi Books, the time of the Hawklords, >Queens of Deliria & Ledge of Darkness. Also the Crankranters group. Non >music posts are welcome. I am not in the habit of censoring any posts! >There is legal advice here as well! > >Home Page: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawkranters/ > >Post message: hawkranters at yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: hawkranters-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: hawkranters-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >List owner: hawkranters-owner at yahoogroups.com > >All welcome! > >Cheers, Ben. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Nov 29 05:38:43 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:38:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (November 29, 2002): We've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. See the playlist below. NEWS: STEPHEN PALMER'S new novel MUEZZINLAND is out at last! A musician as well as a writer, Aural Innovations readers should know Stephen from his work with Mooch and Blue Lily Commission. I ordered my copy from Amazon.com but you can order it from any bookshop. The ISBN is 1587154501. I enjoyed Stephen's first two novels, Memory Seed and Glass, and am looking forward to this new one. Get more info about Muezzinland at: http://stephenpalmer.net/muezzinland.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio show #62 Church Of Hed - "Church Of Hed" (from Church Of Hed) E.X.P. - "E.X.P.'z And The Masticators Of Frequencies part one" (from Pachamama) Census Of Hallucinations - "Daydream (In The Slipstream) Sh'mantra - "Floating" (from sub_floating) Cyber Zen Sound Engine - "His Presence In The Streets" (from Auslander) Vocabularinist - "Tree Trunks" (from s/t CDEP) Schwarz - "Hard Listening" (from Hard Listening) Novadriver - "Sleep" (from Void) 3:46 Homogenized Terrestrials - "Abandoned Web" (from Sound Pores) The Dipsomaniacs - "In Syd's Garden" (from The Tremelo Of Her Mind... The Strings Of Her Soul) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Nov 29 10:11:57 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:11:57 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] Message-ID: Larry needs good thoughts from us ... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Larry Boyd, Daslud Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:02:47 EST From: MDCimburke at aol.com To: Jpsmunoz3 at aol.com, seaton777 at hotmail.com, goldingirl9 at yahoo.com,terrys_lcmt at hotmail.com, twoez4tunes at hotmail.com, RMayo19761 at aol.com,MBAngelilli at msn.com, TCimburke at msn.com, jointhejura at yahoo.com,diacollett at hotmail.com, Bonnie.cavallo at pomstaff.com, dcnutmeg at netscape.net,Kkusic at execpc.com, Sandysply at aol.com, ed.boyd at prodigy.net, Gilbliss at aol.com,deltawave at metronet.com, deantet at gis.net, dan at quakka.com,jdbomb at optonline.net, SEAWHACKS at aol.com, Karinmcauliffe at hotmail.com,dcbolt at tmlp.com, saynottobritney at netscape.net, kermyt at earthling.net,Jem_hebb at yahoo.com, kimwitch at 37.com, tommygunns at yahoo.com,sanzot at teleline.es, jehmmail at netscape.net, lori.celentano at pomstaff.com,binabikl at Juno.com, pegboyd at msn.com, kw23009 at Juno.com,jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.u My name is Debi Cimburke, I am Larry Boyd's sister. As some of you may know, Larry is currently in a coma at Jordan Hospital, Plymouth, MA. He has been in this condition since Friday 11/22/02. For those of you close enough to visit, they will let you in to see him as long as he is stable and there are not to many people in the room already. Please talk to him and let him know you are there. Terry and Michael, very wonderful friends of Larry's have left a tape player and tapes of his music. Please put a tape in or bring one you know he liked. We are trying everything to stimulate Larry and bring him out of this coma. I will update his condition everyday...there has not been any change since he arrived on Friday. Larry was found unconscious in his room on Friday. He had been there at least 24hrs. He had a cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital and it took the EMT 5-6 minutes to bring him back. A MRI was done on Sunday. They discovered that he has a Hypoxic brain injury (from lack of oxygen) and had a few small stokes (lack of blood) in the watershed regain of his brain. This is all additional to the current brain condition Larry was battling with. He needs all your prayers and well wishes. To all his friends that I meet when I was there this past weekend/week, THANK YOU! Larry has a wonderful support group! He is very lucky to have friends like you all! And to those I have not meet yet, thank you for your support as well as the e-mails I have been receiving, Shawn, Seaton777 at hotmail.com has been forwarding all of them, a special thanks to him as well. I will answer every e-mail I receive. Thank you, Debi From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Nov 29 09:22:43 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:22:43 -0400 Subject: HW: One Eyed Bishops appear on UK cassette comp. Available now for 2 pounds 50! Message-ID: We are happy to announce the inclusion of The One Eyed Bishops, on a new compilation cassette released by fanzine/diy label Bliss Aquamarine. The tape is filled by new music from some excellent bands. It's an international palette too, with the music coming from Eastern Europe, The United Kingdom and The U.S. The following bands are represented: Somnambula Agustin Criollo The One Eyed Bishops Quarkspace Loopaznavour Holster Cooler Kings Orchid House Tygre Moth & The Invisible Gypsy Band To obtain a copy: visit www.Blissaquamrine.net or send to the following postal address: Bliss Aquamarine c/o k. Harten 68 Barlich Way Lodge Park, Redditch Worcestershire b98 7jp United Kingdom Payment to K. Harten prices: UK 2.50 Europe and the restof the world: 3.50 Please don't forget that The One Eyed Bishops are still seeking a gig or gigs in the greater London area, January 11th and 12th!! Contact us directly if you have an idea, party, pub, etc. http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 13:32:24 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:32:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Fw: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] Message-ID: I hope Karen won't mind, but I wanted to forward this again to the list with a HW: prefix so that anybody who had HW: only posts set as their preference would be aware of this very sad news. Lets hope there is better news to come. I'm sure all our thoughts will be with Larry and his family at this difficult time. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] > Larry needs good thoughts from us ... > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Larry Boyd, Daslud > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:02:47 EST > From: MDCimburke at aol.com > To: Jpsmunoz3 at aol.com, seaton777 at hotmail.com, > goldingirl9 at yahoo.com,terrys_lcmt at hotmail.com, > twoez4tunes at hotmail.com, > RMayo19761 at aol.com,MBAngelilli at msn.com, TCimburke at msn.com, > jointhejura at yahoo.com,diacollett at hotmail.com, > Bonnie.cavallo at pomstaff.com, > dcnutmeg at netscape.net,Kkusic at execpc.com, Sandysply at aol.com, > ed.boyd at prodigy.net, Gilbliss at aol.com,deltawave at metronet.com, > deantet at gis.net, dan at quakka.com,jdbomb at optonline.net, > SEAWHACKS at aol.com, Karinmcauliffe at hotmail.com,dcbolt at tmlp.com, > saynottobritney at netscape.net, > kermyt at earthling.net,Jem_hebb at yahoo.com, kimwitch at 37.com, > tommygunns at yahoo.com,sanzot at teleline.es, jehmmail at netscape.net, > lori.celentano at pomstaff.com,binabikl at Juno.com, pegboyd at msn.com, > kw23009 at Juno.com,jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.u > > My name is Debi Cimburke, I am Larry Boyd's sister. > > As some of you may know, Larry is currently in a coma at Jordan > Hospital, Plymouth, MA. He has been in this condition since Friday > 11/22/02. > > For those of you close enough to visit, they will let you in to see him > as long as he is stable and there are not to many people in the room > already. Please talk to him and let him know you are there. Terry and > Michael, very wonderful friends of Larry's have left a tape player and > tapes of his music. Please put a tape in or bring one you know he > liked. We are trying everything to stimulate Larry and bring him out of > this coma. > > I will update his condition everyday...there has not been any change > since he arrived on Friday. > > Larry was found unconscious in his room on Friday. He had been there at > least 24hrs. He had a cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital and it > took the EMT 5-6 minutes to bring him back. A MRI was done on Sunday. > They discovered that he has a Hypoxic brain injury (from lack of oxygen) > and had a few small stokes (lack of blood) in the watershed regain of > his brain. This is all additional to the current brain condition Larry > was battling with. > > He needs all your prayers and well wishes. To all his friends that I > meet when I was there this past weekend/week, THANK YOU! Larry has a > wonderful support group! He is very lucky to have friends like you > all! And to those I have not meet yet, thank you for your support as > well as the e-mails I have been receiving, Shawn, Seaton777 at hotmail.com > has been forwarding all of them, a special thanks to him as well. > > I will answer every e-mail I receive. Thank you, > > Debi > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Nov 29 11:56:09 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:56:09 -0400 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: One Eyed Bishops appear on UK cassette comp. Correction Message-ID: I've been corrected by the good people at bliss Aquamarine, that I made a mistake in the URL: It's www.blissaquamarine.net Also the prices are as follows in pounds: UK: 2.50 Europe: 3.00 Rest of the known world!! 3.50 http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:22 AM To: boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: One Eyed Bishops appear on UK cassette comp. Available now for 2 pounds 50! We are happy to announce the inclusion of The One Eyed Bishops, on a new compilation cassette released by fanzine/diy label Bliss Aquamarine. The tape is filled by new music from some excellent bands. It's an international palette too, with the music coming from Eastern Europe, The United Kingdom and The U.S. The following bands are represented: Somnambula Agustin Criollo The One Eyed Bishops Quarkspace Loopaznavour Holster Cooler Kings Orchid House Tygre Moth & The Invisible Gypsy Band To obtain a copy: visit www.Blissaquamrine.net or send to the following postal address: Bliss Aquamarine c/o k. Harten 68 Barlich Way Lodge Park, Redditch Worcestershire b98 7jp United Kingdom Payment to K. Harten prices: UK 2.50 Europe and the restof the world: 3.50 Please don't forget that The One Eyed Bishops are still seeking a gig or gigs in the greater London area, January 11th and 12th!! Contact us directly if you have an idea, party, pub, etc. http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 29 14:42:28 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:42:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Fw: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] Message-ID: Thanks for posting this, Ian & Karen. Very sad to hear this news about a member of our virtual community. Larry's always been the kind of guy who would never back down, so I hope that gives him the strength to recover. I'd love to see another message from him here ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:32:24 -0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: >I hope Karen won't mind, but I wanted to forward this again to the list >with a HW: prefix so that anybody who had HW: only posts set as their >preference would be aware of this very sad news. Lets hope there is >better news to come. I'm sure all our thoughts will be with Larry and >his family at this difficult time. > >Ian > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Kusic" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:11 PM >Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] > > >> Larry needs good thoughts from us ... From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 17:08:12 2002 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:08:12 -0000 Subject: Black & Blue In-Reply-To: <01fa01c2973a$e131f480$e1a623d9@bernard> Message-ID: It was due out in October, but the last I heard it had been delayed indefinitely. Jas. > Wotcha JC - I don't think this actually exists - yet. > > Mind you, I'm ver' ver' drunk. So I could well be talking utter shit. > > I dunno - is Black and Blue available on DVD? > > Let's face it - after all these years of haranguing them to release it on > vid, they're not going to release it in DVD are they??? > > Guys? > > F**k 'em and the horse they rode in on. Not a chance. I'll be ver' ver' > happy if they do tho'. > > Cheers, > > A ver' ver' drunk Rich. > > :-) > > > > > > Any news of this DVD? I can't find it in Europe... > > > > Cheers, JCMoriaud, BOC fan from France > > > > > > Objet : BOC: Black & Blue > > > > > > > > > Classic Pictures is going to release the a DVD of the > > > legendary Black & Blue concert by BLUE OYSTER CULT and BLACK > > > SABBATH. It is still in production but the legendary film > > > will become a DVD! This long out of print movie is a must own > > > for all fans of BOC, Sabbath and hard rock and metal. Look > > > for an official press release soon. > > > > > > From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Nov 29 17:32:30 2002 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:32:30 -0700 Subject: BOC: Black & Blue Message-ID: >>>It was due out in October, but the last I heard it had been delayed indefinitely. It's out in Brazil. I have seen people there selling it on Ebay for less than $20. Shipping is not too bad either. I'm debating whether I should wait for the US release. Brad From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 19:09:13 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:09:13 -0000 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:OFF: Larry Message-ID: I've chatted at length with Larry over the last few years - I can't begin to say how upset I am about this news. When he's was subscribed to BOC-L, Larry always brings a touch of realism to the list. I saw Carl Anderson this evening - Carl played with Larry in Das Ludicroix - and I know how much he likes and respects Larry as a drummer, musician and friend. I think we all wish him a speedy recovery - although from Debi's description the prognosis doesn't sound good. For those of you who don't know Larry, he was diagnosed with a brain disorder some time ago ("white masses on the brain" apparently), but from my off-list conversations with him, he was doing his best to keep upbeat about it. Please get well Larry - I miss your regular emails with Das Lud and Disarray MP3s attached! Cheers, Rich. (Distraught) > I hope Karen won't mind, but I wanted to forward this again to the list with > a HW: prefix so that anybody who had HW: only posts set as their preference > would be aware of this very sad news. Lets hope there is better news to > come. I'm sure all our thoughts will be with Larry and his family at this > difficult time. > > Ian > > > > Larry needs good thoughts from us ... > > > > > > My name is Debi Cimburke, I am Larry Boyd's sister. > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 19:56:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:56:37 -0000 Subject: Night of the Hawk Message-ID: In all official circles... Since hawkwind.com has fallen over on me again (from here anyway), can anyone furnish me with the correct lyrics to Night of the Hawk(s). I used to sing it with Tangled Skein in Newcastle, and always ended up singing the Not The Nine O'Clock News trucking song half way through.. "With glasses and with gratitude he revs his little load, And meets another trucking truck a-trucking down the road" Still, I don't think any of the punters at the Cumberland Arms, Byker ever noticed... Chers, Rich. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 29 20:59:34 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:29:34 +1030 Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] Message-ID: Ok. Peace, love n light to Larry. But I feel that he is in a much better place just now. He is surrounded by beautiful people and is being well looked after. I was actually wondering where he'd got to a couple of nights back. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Kusic To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:41 AM Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] > Larry needs good thoughts from us ... > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Larry Boyd, Daslud > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:02:47 EST > From: MDCimburke at aol.com > To: Jpsmunoz3 at aol.com, seaton777 at hotmail.com, > goldingirl9 at yahoo.com,terrys_lcmt at hotmail.com, > twoez4tunes at hotmail.com, > RMayo19761 at aol.com,MBAngelilli at msn.com, TCimburke at msn.com, > jointhejura at yahoo.com,diacollett at hotmail.com, > Bonnie.cavallo at pomstaff.com, > dcnutmeg at netscape.net,Kkusic at execpc.com, Sandysply at aol.com, > ed.boyd at prodigy.net, Gilbliss at aol.com,deltawave at metronet.com, > deantet at gis.net, dan at quakka.com,jdbomb at optonline.net, > SEAWHACKS at aol.com, Karinmcauliffe at hotmail.com,dcbolt at tmlp.com, > saynottobritney at netscape.net, > kermyt at earthling.net,Jem_hebb at yahoo.com, kimwitch at 37.com, > tommygunns at yahoo.com,sanzot at teleline.es, jehmmail at netscape.net, > lori.celentano at pomstaff.com,binabikl at Juno.com, pegboyd at msn.com, > kw23009 at Juno.com,jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.u > > My name is Debi Cimburke, I am Larry Boyd's sister. > > As some of you may know, Larry is currently in a coma at Jordan > Hospital, Plymouth, MA. He has been in this condition since Friday > 11/22/02. > > For those of you close enough to visit, they will let you in to see him > as long as he is stable and there are not to many people in the room > already. Please talk to him and let him know you are there. Terry and > Michael, very wonderful friends of Larry's have left a tape player and > tapes of his music. Please put a tape in or bring one you know he > liked. We are trying everything to stimulate Larry and bring him out of > this coma. > > I will update his condition everyday...there has not been any change > since he arrived on Friday. > > Larry was found unconscious in his room on Friday. He had been there at > least 24hrs. He had a cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital and it > took the EMT 5-6 minutes to bring him back. A MRI was done on Sunday. > They discovered that he has a Hypoxic brain injury (from lack of oxygen) > and had a few small stokes (lack of blood) in the watershed regain of > his brain. This is all additional to the current brain condition Larry > was battling with. > > He needs all your prayers and well wishes. To all his friends that I > meet when I was there this past weekend/week, THANK YOU! Larry has a > wonderful support group! He is very lucky to have friends like you > all! And to those I have not meet yet, thank you for your support as > well as the e-mails I have been receiving, Shawn, Seaton777 at hotmail.com > has been forwarding all of them, a special thanks to him as well. > > I will answer every e-mail I receive. Thank you, > > Debi From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 29 21:06:48 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:36:48 +1030 Subject: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: How the hell did Tom Jones get a microphone that night and what the hell was eee singing to Silver Machine???? LoL That was a blatant attempt to freak out the trippers right???/ hahahahaha ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Night of the Hawk > In all official circles... > > Since hawkwind.com has fallen over on me again (from here anyway), can > anyone furnish me with the correct lyrics to Night of the Hawk(s). > > I used to sing it with Tangled Skein in Newcastle, and always ended up > singing the Not The Nine O'Clock News trucking song half way through.. > > "With glasses and with gratitude he revs his little load, > And meets another trucking truck a-trucking down the road" > > Still, I don't think any of the punters at the Cumberland Arms, Byker ever > noticed... > > Chers, > > Rich. > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 29 21:07:44 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:37:44 +1030 Subject: Night of the Hawk Message-ID: 'ere ya go mon! --------------------------- In all official circles Across this big wide world Between the radio stations A coded message heard No one knew the meaning All our efforts seem to fail But if they catch you listening Then they'll lock you up in jail So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk!" The wind was raging, and the stars were black We all knew there was no turning back The gates of Hell stared in our face Nowhere to hide in this wasted space Night of The Hawk, Night of The Hawk Night of The Hawk, Night of The Hawk The curious folk who chanced to stray Across this downland way Heard the music blast apart The games that politicians start On English land the people dance Like moths caught in a lamp Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut All waiting to encamp So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk! ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Night of the Hawk > In all official circles... > > Since hawkwind.com has fallen over on me again (from here anyway), can > anyone furnish me with the correct lyrics to Night of the Hawk(s). > > I used to sing it with Tangled Skein in Newcastle, and always ended up > singing the Not The Nine O'Clock News trucking song half way through.. > > "With glasses and with gratitude he revs his little load, > And meets another trucking truck a-trucking down the road" > > Still, I don't think any of the punters at the Cumberland Arms, Byker ever > noticed... > > Chers, > > Rich. > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Nov 29 19:37:50 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:37:50 -0400 Subject: HW: 'Judge' Trev Thoms to contribute recitation on new One Eyed Bishops album Message-ID: That's right!! Judge Trev has agreed to recite an oratory he wrote about 'how it used to be', and the hope for tomorrow. If you ever read his old web page, than you would have read this piece as the intro to the site. I'm happy to know he has accepted our invitation to be part of this project. Other recitations include those by Mick Farren ( Deviants), and Don Craine ( Downliners Sect) For a complete list of session personnel, studio info, and pictures of all click to: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com also for a direct link to Trev Thoms' new site go first to the folks at: www.RealFestivalMusic.co.uk From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 23:31:03 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 04:31:03 -0000 Subject: Night of the Hawk Message-ID: Cheers Mate! It;s that second verse that I always fall down on! :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Night of the Hawk > 'ere ya go mon! > --------------------------- > > In all official circles > Across this big wide world > Between the radio stations > A coded message heard > No one knew the meaning > All our efforts seem to fail > But if they catch you listening > Then they'll lock you up in jail > > So we found ourselves a place we did not know > Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a > thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk!" > > The wind was raging, and the stars were black We all knew there was no > turning back > The gates of Hell stared in our face > Nowhere to hide in this wasted space > Night of The Hawk, Night of The Hawk > Night of The Hawk, Night of The Hawk > > The curious folk who chanced to stray > Across this downland way > Heard the music blast apart > The games that politicians start > On English land the people dance > Like moths caught in a lamp > Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut > All waiting to encamp > > So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a > strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There > came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Lockwood > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:26 AM > Subject: Night of the Hawk > > > > In all official circles... > > > > Since hawkwind.com has fallen over on me again (from here anyway), can > > anyone furnish me with the correct lyrics to Night of the Hawk(s). > > > > I used to sing it with Tangled Skein in Newcastle, and always ended up > > singing the Not The Nine O'Clock News trucking song half way through.. > > > > "With glasses and with gratitude he revs his little load, > > And meets another trucking truck a-trucking down the road" > > > > Still, I don't think any of the punters at the Cumberland Arms, Byker ever > > noticed... > > > > Chers, > > > > Rich. > > > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 30 07:06:16 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:06:16 -0000 Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear this - I've enjoyed some thoroughly entertaining email conversations with him since he joined this list. My best wishes go out to all. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: [Fwd: Larry Boyd, Daslud] > Larry needs good thoughts from us ... > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Larry Boyd, Daslud > My name is Debi Cimburke, I am Larry Boyd's sister. > > As some of you may know, Larry is currently in a coma at Jordan > Hospital, Plymouth, MA. He has been in this condition since Friday From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Sat Nov 30 07:20:41 2002 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:20:41 -0000 Subject: BOC: Black & Blue In-Reply-To: <013501c297f7$34bb4680$72dcdb42@sony> Message-ID: > >>>It was due out in October, but the last I heard it had been delayed > indefinitely. > > It's out in Brazil. I have seen people there selling it on Ebay for less > than $20. Shipping is not too bad either. > > I'm debating whether I should wait for the US release. > > Brad > I think the Brazilian version is just a bootleg of the video. The official version was supposed to have a load of extras, interviews, backstage stuff, an' all that. Jas. From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sat Nov 30 09:36:35 2002 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:36:35 +0100 Subject: HW:Test Pressing Message-ID: Do any of you know if there exist a test-pressing of the french (FRANCE) "Levitation"? From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Nov 30 11:30:01 2002 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:30:01 -0700 Subject: BOC: Black & Blue Message-ID: >>>I think the Brazilian version is just a bootleg of the video. The official version was supposed to have a load of extras, interviews, backstage stuff, an' all that. Good to know. I'll wait for the official release then. I've only seen this film once, and that was in a theater back in 1981-2. It was a midnight show and I was less than sharp. I do remember it was very cool though. I wish they had more footage for the DVD, but then again, I wish a lot of things that never happen. Thanks, Brad From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 30 12:49:57 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:57 EST Subject: Larry's Health Message-ID: To Everyone, I'm sorry to tell you in this manner but on Friday, Nov. 22nd Larry suffered a stroke. He is currently in critical care in a coma. If you would like further information please respond back to this address. His Housemate, Michael ( I will be gone for a week starting Monday) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Nov 30 16:25:10 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:25:10 -0600 Subject: HW: december's classic rock Message-ID: Hiya folks, Has anyone seen December's Classic Rock? I'm told that there is a HW piece in it....any chance a UK'er could pick up and scan in, if true? Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Nov 30 17:15:03 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:15:03 -0600 Subject: HW: walthamstow Message-ID: Hi folks, Are any boc-l folks coming to walthamstow who aren't staying at the hotel? (I think that we'll be having a party at the venue post gig, since the hotel doesn't have the space, and I want to do up tix for people.) If you are coming (and not staying in the hotel) and you want to come to the party could you please let me know? (Keith H., I already know you are coming) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Sat Nov 30 23:57:11 2002 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:57:11 -0000 Subject: HW: walthamstow Message-ID: Party......... after the Walthamstow gig? , any chance me and the wife could come? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: HW: walthamstow : Hi folks, : : Are any boc-l folks coming to walthamstow who aren't staying at the hotel? : (I think that we'll be having a party at the venue post gig, since the : hotel doesn't have the space, and I want to do up tix for people.) : : If you are coming (and not staying in the hotel) and you want to come to : the party could you please let me know? : : (Keith H., I already know you are coming) : : Thanks! : : Arin : -- : ------------------------------------------------------------------ : Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu : Manager of Web Systems Architecture : University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 : 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 : ------------------------------------------------------------------ : From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 28 23:19:24 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:49:24 +1030 Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group Message-ID: and I might add the stories going around about the alien bodies stored in the basement are false. and no you cant ake a look in the basement. we lost the key. ----- Original Message ----- From: alan day To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group > I must say.... cheer's MR...and this ain't a conspiracy! > > > > > > > >From: Ben Fagin > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: ALL: HW: OFF: NIK: Hawkranters Yahoo! Group > >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:34 -0000 > > > >Hello All, > > > >I have started a Yahoo! Group purely for off topic rants. And of course > >anything about the Hawklords themselves. > > > >Moorcock discussion and Social/General discussion welcome. > > > >Like Hawkwind? Read Moorcock? Into Motorhead? Does Elton make you sick? > >Shall we hang the Queen? This is the place to view your airs. The group > >was inspired by The Hawkwind Sci-Fi Books, the time of the Hawklords, > >Queens of Deliria & Ledge of Darkness. Also the Crankranters group. Non > >music posts are welcome. I am not in the habit of censoring any posts! > >There is legal advice here as well! > > > >Home Page: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawkranters/ > > > >Post message: hawkranters at yahoogroups.com > >Subscribe: hawkranters-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribe: hawkranters-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > >List owner: hawkranters-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > >All welcome! > > > >Cheers, Ben. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail