From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Tue Jan 1 01:01:10 2002 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:01:10 -0800 Subject: Off: After Midnight In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020101013712.009e36c0@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: Not here yet, but a couple hours away, Is this the day to get new guitars, or what? Proud new owner of a G&L Comanche myself :) http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/Comanche/Comanche.html G&L stands for George (Fullerton) and Leo (Fender). At 01:38 AM 1/1/02 +0000, you wrote: >It is here! > >Happy 2002 everybody > >Chrisw (& Helen) >(Proud new owner of a Washburn Maverick BT-9) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 1 03:28:38 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:28:38 EST Subject: OFF Re: Happy New Year !!! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/01/02 3:44:20 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > Happy new year to all our family,friends,boc-lers and hawkwind-ers...around > the country and around the world... > tim > not TIM the enchanter? From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 1 05:28:58 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:28:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Happy New Year Message-ID: Happy New Year All. And Lets Hope the gigs are as good as last year.. :-) Rich W From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Tue Jan 1 08:56:21 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:56:21 +1100 Subject: OFF Re: Happy New Year !!! Message-ID: Hope not. I live on a hill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: OFF Re: Happy New Year !!! > In a message dated 1/01/02 3:44:20 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > > > > Happy new year to all our family,friends,boc-lers and hawkwind-ers...around > > the country and around the world... > > tim > > > > not TIM the enchanter? > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Jan 1 11:40:03 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:40:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Netscapeism. Message-ID: Hi ya, DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > > AOL uses IE, which on my machine is the 'default browser'... > You have my greatest sympathy... IE is about the worst browser I've ever used. aoL is also not my choice of ISP (actually AoL is not an IsP in the strickest sense because they use their own private protocols). Happily as a linux user I cannot use either IE as a browser or aoL as IsP. there are many good browsers. Netscape is excellent general purpose browser. the www3 consotium w3c, who are responsible for defining the html standards etc. produce two browsers, amaya which is really good for testing sites and producing html, is a conventional graphical browser. But w3c's best browser and my personal favorite is a text browser called w3m. It is a console program so is really fast at getting pages, unlike lynx it can handle tables and forms ok, if you want to view a graphic you can. I have no idea if a Microsoft version is available, but if there is one I'd advise everyone to give it a try... you won't find anything faster! In linux land there are very many browsers. Netscape has the advantage of its multi-media plugin's. as far as I can tell the only thing you can't do with Netscape is view quicktime video clips (does anyone know a way to do that?) or Microsoft media clips (does anyone want to do that?). chris -- There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the truth without lying. From senator at HORK.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Tue Jan 1 13:10:11 2002 From: senator at HORK.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:10:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: Netscapeism. In-Reply-To: <3C31E663.D81921F0@hawklord.uklinux.net> from "Chris Gibbs" at Jan 01, 2002 04:40:03 PM Message-ID: > In linux land there are very many browsers. Netscape has the advantage > of its multi-media plugin's. as far as I can tell the only thing you > can't do with Netscape is view quicktime video clips (does anyone know a > way to do that?) or Microsoft media clips (does anyone want to do > that?). > > chris www.codeweavers.com Their "Crossover" software dose just that (quicktime at least, not sure about M$ media) Bill From jessica.swart at STUDENT.UVA.NL Tue Jan 1 15:25:08 2002 From: jessica.swart at STUDENT.UVA.NL (Donald en Jessica) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dungeon Dwellers (was: Legendary Pink Dots) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Brugmans" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots > > Martijn de Kleer (Edwin van Trippenhof) Guitar/Bass 1992- > He also played in the Dungeon Dweller who opened for Hawkwind > in Paradiso Amsterdam March 12 1991. Just for the historybooks: Martijn de Kleer was no member of the (legendary!) Dungeon Dwellers but apeard at this show (where HW showed up wthoud dave Brock!) as a 'roadie' for them. Among 3 other members of the Dungeon Dwellers he did apear at an occasion at the Burgerweeshuis in Deventer (Netherlands) calling themself 'The Windmill Warriors' and played about two hours excellent Hawkwind-covers. And by the way: will Hawkwind finally tour in Europe this year? Best wishes! Donald From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jan 1 16:56:51 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:56:51 EST Subject: OFF: Netscapeism. Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/02 11:58:04 AM, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET writes: << You have my greatest sympathy... IE is about the worst browser I've ever used. aoL is also not my choice of ISP (actually AoL is not an IsP in the strickest sense because they use their own private protocols). >> ======== lolol... Axually I thought id've dumped AOL and gone hi-speed and become "L'menexe", as I am everywhere but here, by now...I am so sick of this all-caps DASLUD... But to date this has not occurred. AOL, Mcdonalds, Marlboro.....I quite understand ..so why am I on AOL, still, beginning year 4? because the access call is _local_, therefore free. ==== Hoping nobody got coal in their stocking, "<>" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 1 17:20:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:20:51 EST Subject: OFF Re: Happy New Year !!! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/01/02 12:33:40 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > Hope not. I live on a hill ahhh . he, that is know as TIM! We are on a holy mission. We seek the grail. The holy cup of christ. Will you join us on our quest - for the holy grail? Arthur King of the Britons From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Wed Jan 2 05:00:12 2002 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: ship of Fools Message-ID: Hej, here is everything that the band released: Ship of Fools- Out There Somewhere - Close your Eyes, Forget the World - 'Ship of Fools' promo 10" - Head Your Mind' compilation 2 TRKS - cassette sampler from Dreamtime label (1tr) And this is the only know live concert that exists: MARKER TAVERN, KIDDERINSTER 7/12/93 40M EX- 2 I quite liked the Nine Invisibles first CD. I have not heard Soundbombing yet. scott ObCD Eat Static- Epsylon CD From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Jan 2 08:12:19 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:12:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dungeon Dwellers (was: Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <006701c19302$6fc6c600$83756291@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Donald, still on this list ;-) > Just for the historybooks: Martijn de Kleer was no member of the > (legendary!) Dungeon Dwellers but apeard at this show (where HW showed Oops...glitch of memory there ;-) But the Dungeon Dweller were legendary! > And by the way: will Hawkwind finally tour in Europe this year? Best > wishes! My wish too! Travelling to the UK once in a while is ok, but also an expensive way of seeing HW play. All the best, Bart From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Jan 2 09:08:09 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:08:09 -0600 Subject: OFF: THE END OF TIME Message-ID: Very cosmic ... "In a profile in The Sunday Times (October, 1998), Steve Farrar wrote: "Barbour argues that we live in a universe which has neither past nor future. A strange new world in which we are alive and dead in the same instant. In this eternal present, our sense of the passage of time is nothing more than a giant cosmic illusion. 'There is nothing modest about my aspirations,' he said. 'This could herald a revolution in the way we perceive the world.'" Cosmologist Lee Smolin notes that Barbour has presented "the most interesting and provocative new idea about time to be proposed in many years. If true, it will change the way we see reality. Barbour is one of the few people who is truly both a scientist and a philosopher." http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/barbour/barbour_index.html From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Jan 2 09:15:42 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:15:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Stone Age Soundtracks Message-ID: http://www.forteantimes.com/exclusive/devsounds.shtml excerpt: "Devereux and a team of researchers began sonic testing of sites such as the Neolithic burial chamber Waylands Smithy on the Berkshire downs. Their research drew intriguing results. "We kept picking up this frequency, the chambers were resonating at 110 HZ which is the lower baritone range". This was echoed in sites such as Cornwall's Chun Quoit, a megalithic dolmen and Newgrange burial chamber in Ireland. This was to be one of only several discoveries made by the team. " From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Jan 2 12:00:35 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:00:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: lemmy with dave grohl Message-ID: Hi, Former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl (he right now tries to sing and play guitar....) says Lemmy is GOD http://www.nme.com/news/story.htm?ID=100285&Section=news Bart (who also thinks Lemmy is GOD, but when telling that in church gets crusified) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 2 12:17:29 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:17:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: THE END OF TIME Message-ID: Sounds not unlike the Tralfamadorean view of time presented in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five. So it goes... Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: OFF: THE END OF TIME > Very cosmic ... > > "In a profile in The Sunday Times (October, 1998), Steve Farrar > wrote: "Barbour argues that we live in a universe which has > neither past nor future. A strange new world in which we are alive > and dead in the same instant. In this eternal present, our sense of > the passage of time is nothing more than a giant cosmic illusion. > 'There is nothing modest about my aspirations,' he said. 'This > could herald a revolution in the way we perceive the world.'" > Cosmologist Lee Smolin notes that Barbour has presented "the > most interesting and provocative new idea about time to be > proposed in many years. If true, it will change the way we see > reality. Barbour is one of the few people who is truly both a > scientist and a philosopher." > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/barbour/barbour_index.html From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 2 13:35:47 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:35:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: lemmy with dave grohl In-Reply-To: <3C334AC4.25697.B2B16ECE@localhost> Message-ID: >Hi, > >Former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl (he right now tries to sing and >play guitar....) says Lemmy is GOD > >http://www.nme.com/news/story.htm?ID=100285&Section=news > > >Bart so the Dave Grohl-POD turned into a little school puppy and pee'd the floor (like I would, unfortunately) when Lemmy didn't even hang around......hmmmm.... "OH LEMMY LEMMY LEMMY OHH OHHH LEMMY LEMMY WEEE WEEE EW! EW! -EW!-EW! MOMMY!! MOMMY WE HAD LEMMY IN TODAY!!! WEEEEWEEEEE!!!" but if Lemmy is God- this means there is like an, erm, Dod?? or is the Master Of The Universe above a simple God?? onion layers of which we know not nor can comprehend??? how can God be shared with Brock?? God has family??? been up too long oops m OHHH Demigod!!! From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Jan 2 13:30:36 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:30:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: ship of Fools Message-ID: SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Ship of Fools- Out There Somewhere > - Close your Eyes, Forget the World > - 'Ship of Fools' promo 10" white label promo 10" containing 2 versions of "Guidance is eternal" + "Diesel Spaceships" off _Out there somewhere_. Nice item to own, but rather superfluous IMO if you have the album. > - Head Your Mind' compilation 2 TRKS which featured a very different version of "L=SD2" off _Close your eyes..._ and the unreleased "Psychodelic". An essential release if you?re a SoF fan. The rest of the comp really sucks tho. > - cassette sampler from Dreamtime label (1tr) what?s on this? Andreas From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 2 15:02:54 2002 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:02:54 EST Subject: OFF: THE END OF TIME Message-ID: In a message dated 01/02/2002 9:44:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, kkusic at EXECPC.COM writes: > ... > > "In a profile in The Sunday Times (October, 1998), Steve Farrar > wrote: "Barbour argues that we live in a universe which has > neither past nor future. A strange new world in which we are alive > and dead in the same instant. In this eternal present, our sense of > the passage of time is nothing more than a giant cosmic illusion. > 'There is nothing modest about my aspirations,' he said. 'This > could herald a revolution in the way we perceive the world.'" > Cosmologist Lee Smolin notes that Barbour has presented "the > most interesting and provocative new idea about time to be > proposed in many years. If true, it will change the way we see > reality. Barbour is one of the few people who is truly both a > scientist and a philosopher." > Gee, clear back in 1987, when I was still in grad school, I wrote a detailed essay on the concept of the eternal present, which was a common thematic element in many works of postmodern fiction from at least the sixties onward. Funny to hear it described as a new idea... Steven Tice Calliope Comics 519 Valentine Hill Road Bellefonte, PA 16823 814-355-9830 Musings Online: www.geocities.com/calliopecomics/index.html From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 2 15:33:35 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:33:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: ship of Fools Message-ID: > And this is the only know live concert that exists: > > MARKER TAVERN, KIDDERINSTER 7/12/93 40M EX- 2 > > I quite liked the Nine Invisibles first CD. I have not heard Soundbombing > yet. > Very nearly went to see them in Sheffield c1994 but felt obligated to go and see a friend's band who were playing that night. Nick From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Jan 2 17:56:15 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Online Hawkwind Generator Message-ID: http://www.johnhinder.co.uk/hawkwind/ it's even more fun than the PC theremin! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jan 2 14:26:10 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:26:10 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: Out now - got it over Xmas - and it is just riveting - the finest Magma on video and 132 mins of sheer genius. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Magma? > Stephan said... > > >BTW, there's a new 165min (!!) DVD which features the whole Trianon concert > >and a documentation. > > Well, I gotta get this! Remind me - what's the Trianon concert? I've been > confused lately with all the recent live releases of Magma. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jan 2 20:46:08 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:46:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon House In-Reply-To: ; from slitchfield@UKONLINE.CO.UK on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:43:00PM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:43:00PM +0000, Steve Litchfield typed out: > >> I think that Simon House is the most technically able musician > >> Hawkwind's ever had in its ranks and he's completely unearthly these > >> days and this must be got into a studio, but anyway, yes, the thread. > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. Not meaning to snipe, but *is* there any new stuff on that album? When I briefly saw a copy I seemed to recognise all but two of the track titles and I reckoned they were probably Spiral Realms tracks as it seemed unlikely he'd leave them out entirely... Yours, Jon ObCD: Alan Davey - _Captured Rotation_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Laura.Waesche at CEXP.COM Wed Jan 2 20:59:06 2002 From: Laura.Waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:59:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: Glencoe is new.....19 minutes worth. <<< 1/ 2 7:46p >>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:43:00PM 0000, Steve Litchfield typed out: > >> I think that Simon House is the most technically able musician > >> Hawkwind's ever had in its ranks and he's completely unearthly these > >> days and this must be got into a studio, but anyway, yes, the thread. > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. Not meaning to snipe, but *is* there any new stuff on that album? When I briefly saw a copy I seemed to recognise all but two of the track titles and I reckoned they were probably Spiral Realms tracks as it seemed unlikely he'd leave them out entirely... Yours, Jon ObCD: Alan Davey - _Captured Rotation_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 2 21:55:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:55:47 EST Subject: HW: Online Hawkwind Generator Message-ID: In a message dated 3/01/02 9:26:27 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, youless at LVCM.COM writes: > http://www.johnhinder.co.uk/hawkwind/ > thank you From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jan 2 23:51:41 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:51:41 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet Message-ID: In a message dated 12/29/01 11:42:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > used the above for a "chaser" to Dave Brock "Memo's and Demo's" last > night.... > > it worked.(I mean IT REALLY WORKED, I could have known by the little "domed > POD craft" on the back.(Thanks Andy)(sorting out a credit card-I'll be back > in a minute) > > The Brock CD sure is recommended for anyone who hasn't had it on holiday... > > and for (insert your name) the friend that called last nite and interrupted > the Brock jam- sorry I was so drunken mushmouthed > > I am beginning the process as of yesterday > > what's up? > m This has been officially released now? What label? I found a demo/CD-R of what I assume is the same material at a store in Santa Monica...what a treat that was. If you're a Lights fanatic, it's essential. NP: Nothing, though there should be something okaying, considering how much new stuff I just got... (I left my heart in San Francisco but fortunately not my CDs and records). Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 00:04:50 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:04:50 EST Subject: OFF: Florian Fricke Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/01 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Hi Folks... > > More sad news. > Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh has passed away at 57. > > Grakkl (FAA) > > Jesus! Right after Michale Karoli. How strange, I just picked up Hosiana Mantra a week ago, too, and what a great album, it is... Chuck From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 01:33:02 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:33:02 -0600 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet In-Reply-To: <11.2058868b.29653d5d@aol.com> Message-ID: >This has been officially released now? What label? I found a demo/CD-R of >what I assume is the same material at a store in Santa Monica...what a treat >that was. If you're a Lights fanatic, it's essential. >Chuck Hi there Chuck... this one indeed is a CDR from Andy G with a blue cover on Tone/Brain Squid and I guess I just assumed this was as far as it would get.... has a white label that just has title and says "remixes 99" cheers+ have good new year m ps- the cover says "Remix and Rare" From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 00:24:59 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:59 EST Subject: HW: Nic Potter Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/01 4:41:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > Nic Potter appear to be Snowy White who played on the Deep Fix album. is that the guy who played guitar w/Thin Lizzy (White)? curious, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 00:37:33 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:37:33 EST Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/01 12:47:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > I don't really go for Dave's solo stuff either. seems to be a correlation between solo Brock and the early '80s "Church of Hawkwind"/electronic era. Spacebrock is full of Church stuff. and Church was supposed to be a solo (or was it Agents of Chaos?) album originally, right? and isn't that when Earthed to the Ground came out, too?? I dunno...I really love most of that material...so I like solo Brock...but am getting a little tired of hearing the same circa '81 synths sampled over and over...finally... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 01:00:21 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:00:21 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/02 9:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Hi there Chuck... > > this one indeed is a CDR from Andy G with a blue cover on Tone/Brain Squid > and I guess I just assumed this was as far as it would get.... > > has a white label that just has title and says "remixes 99" > > cheers+ have good new year > > m > > ps- the cover says "Remix and Rare" > Oh, ok. I remember Andy G. mentioning this a while back so I figured it had been released more officially. What you describe above is exactly what I have, w/the title written on the CD w/a Sharpee. some of the remixes are a tad superfluous, imo...but the prev-unreleased stuff is bitchin'. Bits of that have since made it onto the Naz Bar album. PS: some of my new aquisitions (some of which I picked up over the weekend in Frisco and haven't heard yet, some of which I've had for a while, but what the hell...sorry but the other list-serves I'm on that are supposed to discuss this stuff are pretty dead...) vinyl: Vas Deferens Org: Zyzzybalouba Sub Olso: 12" on Two Ohm Hop Flowchart: Cumulous Mood Twang CDs: FSOL: ISDN Upsilon Acrux: In the Court of the Usilon King Saddar Bazaar: The Path of the Rose Abunai!: Round Wound Chrome: Visitation//Live in Germany '87 (no Helios Creed presence here) Mushroom: Foxy Music Lightning Bolt: First LP w/bonus tracks Space Team Electra: The Vortex Flower Pretty Things: S.F. Sorrow Liquid Sound Company: Exploring the Pschedelic (Hey, Darrin) W.O.O. Revelator: Taking the Long View, In Their Own Juices Cluster: II Faust: 71 Minutes of... Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Danse Manatee Shay: Dreamers and Stalkers Voco Kesh: Ispepnaibara Kopecky: Live Acid Mothers Temple: New Geocentric World Popol Vuh: Hosiana Mantra Pseudo Buddha: Motive Silver Apples: The Garden (Hey, Keith) Mirza: Last Clouds (Keith, hey) Quarkspace: Drop (Keith) Psychedelic Underground 5 ('70s Kraut-komp on Garden of Delights ) Species Being: Yoniliscious Salamander: Red Mantra Comments anyone?? Chuck From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 02:42:47 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:42:47 -0600 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music In-Reply-To: <39.20548b99.29654d75@aol.com> Message-ID: >Comments anyone?? must be nice being intelligent enough to even find a CD in your collection when you want to hear it much less be employed enough to afford it or to be mentally stable enough to enjoy it all or to have knowledge of what to buy..... the very few of those things I do own I probably couldn't find fast enough to enjoy....such as the Vocokesh....seem to remember I have that one on a pizza-like vinyl.....somewhere over the rainbow in yesterdays happiness.. think I'll go put a Kid Rock CD on (mentions this as it's obviously off-topic, mass produced, and mostly despised) and contemplate suicide- but not before I revisit "Someday Blues" by Trower cheers m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 03:03:22 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:03:22 -0600 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music In-Reply-To: <39.20548b99.29654d75@aol.com> Message-ID: chuck: >Oh, ok. I remember Andy G. mentioning this a while back so I figured it had >been released more officially. What you describe above is exactly what I >have, w/the title written on the CD w/a Sharpee. some of the remixes are a >tad superfluous, imo...but the prev-unreleased stuff is bitchin'. Bits of >that have since made it onto the Naz Bar album. I only played "Naz Bar" 1 time and I have completely forgotton what any of the earlier Anubian Lights is or sounds like,,,,,(oh yeah,,I recall Doran sounds Hillage-esque on one of them) didn't even realize there was crossovers my brain uhhhhhhhhhhhhh m From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jan 3 12:29:14 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:29:14 +0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted In-Reply-To: <200111281708.MAA10507@listserv.spc.edu>; from dave@CRAZY-DAVE.NET on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:08:07PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:08:07PM -0500, Dave Briggs typed out: > Walthamstow has had a long history of cool gigs. > This is due in part to the Royal Standard pub. I've been there many times > since the early eighties to see some wicked bands including Hew lloyd > Langton and Inner City Unit among many others. > In more recent years they've cleaned up the Drug scene (mostly :-)) and the > Angels got bored or busted. Musicaly nowdays they do a lot of rock Tribute > bands which are mostly pretty professional - and a few "Wrinkley Rockers" > type bands such as Wisbone ash. Seeing the Cosmik Testicles there was a bit > of a treat. > > This isn't the only venue in Walthamstow but it's probably got a lot to do > with why Walthamstow become Space-rock Central. I've been to the Standard a good few times now, because Radio Never Say Die! tend to hold gigs there like Arthur Brown, Man or in one memorable case the Bevis Frond Valedictory All-Dayer. There can't be many venues that'd do that now... And it is pretty local for Messrs Saloman & Shaw so the odd Frondular occurrence is to be expected I guess. Good venue, lousy beer but where isn't this the case? And the only place I've been to where the merchandise stall had a crate of vinyl on it... Nonetheless, I was a little bit surprised to see the Council lending a hall out to Hawkwind, of all people... public building, and so forth, laws of the land... Top gig though. Wonder what all the bar-staff in bow-ties made of it. In fact that wasn't the only civic building they played on that tour was it, I detected a bit of a theme in the schedule. Wise move, IMO, fewer unscrupulous promoters and probably cheaper and less likely to be booked... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 3 14:00:34 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:00:34 -0000 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: There are actually two volumes of Anubian Lights Rarities and Remixes, of which both are in stock at CD Services - apparently we are the only mail order outlet he will supply, whihc is a credit to us. In my humble opinion, the second one walks over the first one, but both are great. As to your purchases, Chuck..............that is one seriously classic set of stuff, highlights being Species Being, FSOL, Mushroom, Cluster, Mirza and Salamander,all essential listening, but pray tell I know nothing of Kopecky Live or the Voco Kesh - what are these? Andy G. > FSOL: ISDN > Upsilon Acrux: In the Court of the Usilon King > Saddar Bazaar: The Path of the Rose > Abunai!: Round Wound > Chrome: Visitation//Live in Germany '87 (no Helios Creed presence here) > Mushroom: Foxy Music > Lightning Bolt: First LP w/bonus tracks > Space Team Electra: The Vortex Flower > Pretty Things: S.F. Sorrow > Liquid Sound Company: Exploring the Pschedelic (Hey, Darrin) > W.O.O. Revelator: Taking the Long View, In Their Own Juices > Cluster: II > Faust: 71 Minutes of... > Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Danse Manatee > Shay: Dreamers and Stalkers > Voco Kesh: Ispepnaibara > Kopecky: Live > Acid Mothers Temple: New Geocentric World > Popol Vuh: Hosiana Mantra > Pseudo Buddha: Motive > Silver Apples: The Garden (Hey, Keith) > Mirza: Last Clouds (Keith, hey) > Quarkspace: Drop (Keith) > Psychedelic Underground 5 ('70s Kraut-komp on Garden of Delights ) > Species Being: Yoniliscious > Salamander: Red Mantra > > Comments anyone?? > > > Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 3 14:03:51 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:03:51 -0000 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: Just come out here is Anubian Lights and Lydia Lunch single too, so with the remixes, that makes two albums and one mini-album on Cleopatra, one album and single,plus correponding vinyl, on Crippled, the live thing on Strange Trips and that's it I think, all sold by us if anyone wants anything. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:03 AM Subject: Re: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music > chuck: > >Oh, ok. I remember Andy G. mentioning this a while back so I figured it had > >been released more officially. What you describe above is exactly what I > >have, w/the title written on the CD w/a Sharpee. some of the remixes are a > >tad superfluous, imo...but the prev-unreleased stuff is bitchin'. Bits of > >that have since made it onto the Naz Bar album. > > I only played "Naz Bar" 1 time and I have completely forgotton what any of > the earlier Anubian Lights is or sounds like,,,,,(oh yeah,,I recall Doran > sounds Hillage-esque on one of them) > > didn't even realize there was crossovers > > my brain uhhhhhhhhhhhhh > > m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 16:10:18 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:10:18 -0600 Subject: (0FF) The Blood Drained Cows In-Reply-To: <20020103172914.A15382@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: lo and verily, did work their majick and slap my face for Mark Licht ,,,,,imagine how well it worked having saved it this long, Mark.....ps (the "coleman cut"?? shall never return) great stuff.......really great stuff.... one of the tracks started out like Captain Jesus,,,great! m ps-figures it would "talk" for you From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Thu Jan 3 15:22:56 2002 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc de Montfort) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:22:56 -0800 Subject: HW: "the book" from Voiceprint Message-ID: HI all My wife partook of the 3fer sale on Voiceprint for me and got me the Glastonbury 90, Paradogs and the "book". The "book" is being released this year. What the heck is it???? Oh as for the CD's - the Paradogs is amazingly good. As for Glastonbury, I think there were discussions as to the quality before. Well I can say I have it now. Less guilt getting ROIO's that are of better quality. Which isn't hard. Le Duc Duc De Montfort http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort Le Duc's Trade list http://www.geocities.com/mikemontfort/index.html ________________________________________ "The future, is the faith of our age: it is the torch of the past, the guiding star of the present." Jean-Jaques AmpFre --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 16:42:19 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:42:19 -0600 Subject: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yeah really..what *is* the Voiceprint book??? could it be the second installment of "Do Not Panic" >> (I haven't looked so no clues) Doug, are you ok?? where have you gone?? Andy G- hold that stuff,,,I have to shake some credit off the tree and I fell and and bumped my head m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 3 17:35:01 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:35:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, the end-of-year lists are out, and I was right! I did actually purchase one CD from this year's Top 100 (unlike last year, when I struck out), according to Billbored, which I'm sure is Ameri-centric, but don't imagine that I could have had significantly more in any UK or Euro list. Well, I thought maybe I'd see Spiritualized appear, but nope. Maybe they'd have made a UK list? Sigur Ros is probably the third most (currently) popular group I've purchased. After that, not even sure. Anyway, the one I got (of course) was Tool - Lateralus, which finished 47 in the final tally. Seems so weird that this one album made such a big hit all by itself. I guess it must be that it somehow received great behind-the-scenes promotion. But why would the label have even tried with this band, given the complete lack of any other similar type of music selling anything in the general pop market these days? So here's the link to the list....it's a top 200 list, but for some reason you can only view the top 100. Don't ask me why. http://www.billboard.com/billboard/yearend/2001/bb2002.jsp Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The one obvious thing that came to me when perusing this list...if you wanna make it these days, your band name has to contain exactly no properly-spelled English words, and preferably no "words" whatsoever. Which I guess means that the time is right for me to launch a band with the name I always thought would be the coolest...Spagh Pomoy. Never was sure where to put the umlauts though. Over the 'a' would ruin the correct pronunciation (spog). Alright, I know the rest of you invented bandnames while in High School study hall too...let's hear 'em. (Note: The Ozric Tentacles were named in this manner, although it was really breakfast cereal names they were inventing.) Waszin Chizzi was one of the others I remember inventing. To date, no band has actually taken any of my names by random chance, but now I better register them given the current trend. :) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 3 17:41:33 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:33 -0500 Subject: HW: "the book" from Voiceprint Message-ID: Doc asked... >My wife partook of the 3fer sale on Voiceprint for me and got me the >Glastonbury 90, Paradogs and the "book". > >The "book" is being released this year. > >What the heck is it???? Well, I was never sure, but I had come to the conclusion that the 'Book' was probably the 'Dawn of Hawkwind' edition with the photo book, as opposed to the jewel box variety (which I have actually seen, so it does exist). Grakkl (FAA) P.S. My Pink Fairies CD came in the mail the other day from Voiceprint, so they've sent me 5 of the 6 that I ordered under the 3-fer deal (that I doubled up on), with only Gong est Mort to go. Free shipping seems good anywhere, since they've still never charged me anything for that! Pkgs still coming from Copenhagen for some reason...guess their warehouse is there. From fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM Thu Jan 3 18:18:06 2002 From: fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM (Frank Cinnella) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > Well, the end-of-year lists are out, and I was right! I did actually > purchase one CD from this year's Top 100 (unlike last year, when I struck > out), according to Billbored, which I'm sure is Ameri-centric, but don't > imagine that I could have had significantly more in any UK or Euro list. > > Well, I thought maybe I'd see Spiritualized appear, but nope. Maybe they'd > have made a UK list? Sigur Ros is probably the third most (currently) > popular group I've purchased. After that, not even sure. > > Anyway, the one I got (of course) was Tool - Lateralus, which finished 47 in > the final tally. Seems so weird that this one album made such a big hit all > by itself. I guess it must be that it somehow received great > behind-the-scenes promotion. But why would the label have even tried with > this band, given the complete lack of any other similar type of music > selling anything in the general pop market these days? > > So here's the link to the list....it's a top 200 list, but for some reason > you can only view the top 100. Don't ask me why. > BTW, does anyone with an IQ over 30 own these albums??? Not only do I only own the Tool album, which actually is good...but save for an old vinyl Aerosmith of "Toys In the Attic", I haven't a solitary sound from any of the other artists. That is quite a difficult event also, as I am proud possessor of over 2000 vinyl albums and 500+ CDs. Also, the reason for the misspelled names is that both the artist and listener don't know how to spell, so it really makes no difference. Frank From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Jan 3 18:35:58 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:35:58 -0800 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: Another Tool user here - they've actually been building for a few years now, so the success of Lateralus is not that surprising, though the hugeness of it is, given that it's somewhat difficult music. If you like this, get their earlier stuff, especially the Salival cd/video box. Tool videos are like nothing else... As for the rest, feh. My kids (14 & 15) like the cartoon-punk stuff (Blink-182, Sum 41, Alien Ant Farm), but even they don't listen to the rest of this. I hear way too much U2, Train, and Dave Matthews on the radio, why would anyone need to *buy* these? scorch From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 3 18:38:29 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:38:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will have made a large diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I know they toured recently with someone major). Still think the live album beats the heck out of 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 > Hi Folks... > > Well, the end-of-year lists are out, and I was right! I did actually > purchase one CD from this year's Top 100 (unlike last year, when I struck > out), according to Billbored, which I'm sure is Ameri-centric, but don't > imagine that I could have had significantly more in any UK or Euro list. > > Well, I thought maybe I'd see Spiritualized appear, but nope. Maybe they'd > have made a UK list? Sigur Ros is probably the third most (currently) > popular group I've purchased. After that, not even sure. > > Anyway, the one I got (of course) was Tool - Lateralus, which finished 47 in > the final tally. Seems so weird that this one album made such a big hit all > by itself. I guess it must be that it somehow received great > behind-the-scenes promotion. But why would the label have even tried with > this band, given the complete lack of any other similar type of music > selling anything in the general pop market these days? > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 3 18:39:11 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:11 -0000 Subject: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P Message-ID: what stuff? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P > yeah really..what *is* the Voiceprint book??? could it be the second > installment of "Do Not Panic" >> (I haven't looked so no clues) > > Doug, are you ok?? where have you gone?? > > Andy G- hold that stuff,,,I have to shake some credit off the tree and I > fell and and bumped my head > > m From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Jan 3 18:39:17 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:39:17 -0800 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: > BTW, does anyone with an IQ over 30 own these albums??? Not only do I > only own the Tool album, which actually is good...but save for an old > vinyl Aerosmith of "Toys In the Attic", I haven't a solitary sound from > any of the other artists. That is quite a difficult event also, as I am > proud possessor of over 2000 vinyl albums and 500+ CDs. Well, I do have some old U2; and I must also admit that we have a couple of the first Enya discs, which tend to either be in the wife's massage workbag or in the bedroom player... ;) scorch From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 19:01:38 2002 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:01:38 EST Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: Errrr....I'll try to break this to you gentley, but here in the U.S. Tool have been selling out 20,000 seat halls and stadiums for some time now. They are huge. And King Crimson were actually added to the Tool bill as the opening/support band on Tool's headlining tour. We're getting old, Andy. I think the idea behind the pair up, believe it or not, was Tool doing their influences the favor of introducing them to a younger,broader audience. I know..I know. Just trying to keep it clear. Eli In a message dated 1/3/02 6:39:30 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will have made a large diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I know they toured recently with someone major). Still think the live album beats the heck out of 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! Andy G. >> From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 3 20:01:03 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:01:03 -0000 Subject: AMON DIN Message-ID: Never got any further forward than the ideas stage according to Huw. John Butler wasn't in Hawkwind or Duul. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Karen Kusic To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 31 December 2001 06:32 Subject: AMON DIN >AMON DIN (UK) - space rock >early '70s project of John Lingwood, Dave Anderson, Huw Lloyd Langton >and John Butler (ex-Hawkwind/Amon Duul) > >http://www.telia.lv/~witchcraft/jrrt/jrrt2.htm#bands2 > From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Jan 3 19:18:22 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:18:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <3C34E6AE.A9B77E54@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi On 3 Jan 2002, at 18:18, Frank Cinnella wrote: > BTW, does anyone with an IQ over 30 own these albums??? Not only do I i think if i was 13, 14 or 15 right now i would own more than a couple of the albums from this list. > only own the Tool album, which actually is good...but save for an old still haven bought it....i liked undertow a lot and aenima a bit less, so with all the hype i let it pass > vinyl Aerosmith of "Toys In the Attic", I haven't a solitary sound Aerosmith....what's that? Ah, its also on the list, so it must be crap ;-) > from any of the other artists. That is quite a difficult event also, I do own some tunes from the other artists on the list. I do like the Wu Tang Clans earlier stuff, Snoop Dogg was good when he was still in NWA, U2 made a few nice records in the early 80's, same counts for The Offspring. I recently listened to some of the albums on the list, and i must say i was pleasantly surprised by The Gorrilaz, Nelly Futardo and OutKast although i wouldn't buy the albums. > as I am proud possessor of over 2000 vinyl albums and 500+ CDs. Also, > the reason for the misspelled names is that both the artist and > listener don't know how to spell, so it really makes no difference. :-) :-) :-) Bart NP: Bongwater - The big sell-out From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 3 23:56:02 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:02 -0600 Subject: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P In-Reply-To: <00c401c194b0$2774b740$0997bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >what stuff? >Andy G. whatever you only have limited quantity's- such as maybe what was offered in a mail...(you know, THE GOOOOOOOODS!) also..still need Video and Dvd of "Classic Rock Collections"....but I think Satan came back around the corner if there is any trouble.... sorry I am going to climb the credit tree again tomorrow...(with a helmet) peace m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 3 23:30:59 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:30:59 EST Subject: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P Message-ID: In a message dated 4/01/02 2:17:07 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > sorry > > I am going to climb the credit tree again tomorrow...(with a helmet) > > don't forget your m-16 or perhaps the oz army will let me borrow my old aus-stryr and you can have a loan of that more bullets eagerly awaiting - Space Ritual, Yule ritual and Daves demos and memos yum yum From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 00:00:05 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:00:05 EST Subject: The Voiceprint Book/Doug P Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/02 12:33:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Doug, are you ok?? where have you gone?? He's okay, in So Cal somewhere. Do Not Panic, BOC-L!! I believe he returns tomorrow-ish. Unfortunately I was in the Bay Area when he was down here... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 00:04:04 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:04:04 EST Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/02 2:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > P.S. The one obvious thing that came to me when perusing this list...if you > wanna make it these days, your band name has to contain exactly no > properly-spelled English words, and preferably no "words" whatsoever. Which > I guess means that the time is right for me to launch a band with the name I > always thought would be the coolest...Spagh Pomoy. Never was sure where to > put the umlauts though. Over the 'a' would ruin the correct pronunciation > (spog). Alright, I know the rest of you invented bandnames while in High > School study hall too...let's hear 'em. (Note: The Ozric Tentacles were > named in this manner, although it was really breakfast cereal names they > were inventing.) Waszin Chizzi was one of the others I remember inventing. > To date, no band has actually taken any of my names by random chance, but > now I better register them given the current trend. :) funny, though...I was critisizing newer bands for putting random words together for names...then realized that BOC had done something similar...though more thought and probably Sandy Pearlman's weird mythos had something to do w/the latter... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 00:20:17 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:20:17 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/02 10:33:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > must be nice being intelligent enough to even find a CD in your collection ...barely....(am I...) > when you want to hear it much less be employed enough to afford it I don't really...still got dad's credit card... >or to be > mentally stable enough to enjoy it all or to have knowledge of what to > buy..... > ...to enjoy it all...I wish...it's partly just an addiction and actual enjoyment is sadly a rare thing...sick, I know... > the very few of those things I do own I probably couldn't find fast enough > to enjoy....such as the Vocokesh....seem to remember I have that one on a > pizza-like vinyl.....somewhere over the rainbow in yesterdays happiness.. > To Andy G as well: Spin off of F/i (via Richard Franecki). The "Ispepnairbara" re-issue (on Lexicon Devil) is highly recommended. Some stellar pscydedelic space-rock, this, recommended to those who like Hawkwind and Bevis Frond (what, here??)... Kopecky are actually out of Milwaukee, as well... More of a prog-metal outfit, heavy and melodic at once, though w/some very spacey and psychey moments... > think I'll go put a Kid Rock CD on (mentions this as it's obviously > off-topic, mass produced, and mostly despised) and contemplate suicide- > but not before I revisit "Someday Blues" by Trower > > cheers > m nothing wrong w/that. I listen to mainstream stuff, too, as do many (if not most) list-members...just don't see as much purpose brining it up it here, as commentary is easier to find elsewhere... (though BOC-L commentary on _anything_ is usually worth reading...) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 00:25:14 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:25:14 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/02 11:22:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > There are actually two volumes of Anubian Lights Rarities and Remixes, of > which both are in stock at CD Services - apparently we are the only mail > order outlet he will supply, whihc is a credit to us. In my humble opinion, > the second one walks over the first one, but both are great. > what's the diff then?? > As to your purchases, Chuck..............that is one seriously classic set > of stuff, highlights being Species Being, FSOL, Mushroom, Cluster, Mirza and > Salamander,all essential listening, but pray tell I know nothing of Kopecky > Live or the Voco Kesh - what are these? sorry if I was presumtuous in my other post...of course you know about the bands... Again, the VK disc is a reissue on Lexicon Devil of the first LP (and includes a bonus EP from an F/i-/VK split)...and the Kopecky live disc is called "Orion" actually and was released on M.A.C.E. Records... now on to those derned reviews... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 01:05:39 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:05:39 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights, other Space/Psyche-oriented Music Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/02 10:53:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > I only played "Naz Bar" 1 time and I have completely forgotton what any of > the earlier Anubian Lights is or sounds like,,,,,(oh yeah,,I recall Doran > sounds Hillage-esque on one of them) > "Grid Coordinate Vorp 1" (or something) from the Eternal Sky. Magnificent music. I don't recall Doran Shelly being listed on the disc, so maybe it's Tommy?? Chuck From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jan 4 02:51:01 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:51:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: I actually broke down & got some Tool. So far, I've only found a couple of trax I don't like, but most is pretty good.And ,I have to say, I'm a bit biased against most mainstream stuff. For some reason, I haven't kept up on the radio stuff. Boise radio is so deplorable that I ONLY listen to the NPR station here, and that, infrequently. Pam Eli Friedman wrote: > Errrr....I'll try to break this to you gentley, but here in the U.S. Tool > have been selling out 20,000 seat halls and stadiums for some time now. They > are huge. And King Crimson were actually added to the Tool bill as the > opening/support band on Tool's headlining tour. We're getting old, Andy. I > think the idea behind the pair up, believe it or not, was Tool doing their > influences the favor of introducing them to a younger,broader audience. > I know..I know. > Just trying to keep it clear. Eli > > In a message dated 1/3/02 6:39:30 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > << Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will have made a large > > diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I know they toured recently > > with someone major). Still think the live album beats the heck out of > > 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! > > Andy G. >> -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Now, I have that photo book, and have seen it here (of all places) I thought that this was the way it was released. Great album, by the way:) Pam K Henderson wrote: > Doc asked... > > >My wife partook of the 3fer sale on Voiceprint for me and got me the > >Glastonbury 90, Paradogs and the "book". > > > >The "book" is being released this year. > > > >What the heck is it???? > > Well, I was never sure, but I had come to the conclusion that the 'Book' was > probably the 'Dawn of Hawkwind' edition with the photo book, as opposed to > the jewel box variety (which I have actually seen, so it does exist). > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. My Pink Fairies CD came in the mail the other day from Voiceprint, so > they've sent me 5 of the 6 that I ordered under the 3-fer deal (that I > doubled up on), with only Gong est Mort to go. Free shipping seems good > anywhere, since they've still never charged me anything for that! Pkgs > still coming from Copenhagen for some reason...guess their warehouse is there. -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: hey Chuck I was just behaving foot-loose (as I'm known to run erratic) whining on-list- sorry but I MUST SAY!!!! The Trower had me ready to die...the Kid Rock had me ready to live (just had to boot Sheryl Crow track the hell off) anyway...I realize you have a mission more-so with the radio show!!! It is motivating to me to see how far I have slipped I wanna come back from the world of not enough LSD (Polyfuze Method comes with me tho') sorry for the clutter and I'll report back on the weird CD matrix difference between the 3 copies of Spacebrock I have after I pick the weird one out and ship the other to a BOCL'er (this is the truth, but intended semi-humor)(oh yeah, one of the discs is inked lighter color, but that is not the odd one) (haha) carry on.... and BTW I need to get that new OFFSPRING since I bought all the other LP's in a lump binge ....(good one night a year)(one LP after the other all in a row) (oh shoot- sorry)(saw somebody mention them) when I get some CD racks I'll do some pink dots and cluster and faust and whatever you blessed ones think might carry me forward from the ASH RA TEMPEL.... M From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Fri Jan 4 04:44:49 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:44:49 -0000 Subject: OFF: gybe dates Message-ID: Looks like the fabulous godspeed you black emperor! are coming to the UK/RoI in March. Dates are: sat 03/16 brighton - corn exhange hall mon 03/18 london - tba wed 03/20 birmingham - adrian boult hall fri 03/22 dublin - ambassador theatre sat 03/23 belfast - the empire sun 03/24 glasgow - queen margaret union tue 03/26 bradford - st. george hall wed 03/27 newcastle - tba Not sure how definite these are as yet - Ticketmaster only list the London date (tickets not yet available) and Bradford St. George's don't have the gig listed on their schedule (though there is a suitable space). Also, they're playing all over Europe throughout (late) Jan until April. Those in other territories can check out: http://brainwashed.com/godspeed/news.html This should be special! Dave From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 4 06:02:20 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:02:20 -0600 Subject: HW: "the book" from Voiceprint In-Reply-To: <3C356046.E15D788C@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: >Now, I have that photo book, and have seen it here (of all places) I >thought that >this was the way it was released. >Great album, by the way:) >Pam I think the single jewel-case is rarer, or at least it was, and didn't actually appear until later got both they exist m From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Jan 4 05:08:58 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:08:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: Yay! I've got 2 of the Top 100, I must still be hip and happening:-) Alicia Keys and the Isley Brothers! Excellent, marvellous, super! From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Jan 4 05:10:26 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:10:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tool Message-ID: Except it was KC who were supporting Tool! Caught a few Stateside folk out, who ambled along intending to miss that pesky new support act. How I larfed. >>>> Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will have made a large diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I know they toured recently with someone major). Still think the live album beats the heck out of 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! Andy G. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 4 05:11:30 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:11:30 EST Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/01/02 8:39:06 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK writes: > Yay! I've got 2 of the Top 100, I must still be hip and happening:-) > > Alicia Keys and the Isley Brothers! > > Excellent, marvellous, super! > you are a hip-hip-hip- hippy From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Fri Jan 4 10:18:24 2002 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc de Montfort) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:18:24 -0800 Subject: OFF: Tool In-Reply-To: <200201041010.FAA01011@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Over on Prog_CDR Yahoo Group we just had a weed going round with the Tool Show and KC together on 3 cd's. I got it and posted that I didn't understand why there were two Tool and once KC discs. I just supposed KC was opening. LOL Guess Im behind the times Le Duc OBCD Newcastle show from HW winter tour. WOW. --- Z E Itgeist wrote: > Except it was KC who were supporting Tool! Caught a > few Stateside folk > out, who ambled along intending to miss that pesky > new support act. How I > larfed. > > > >>>> > Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will > have made a large > diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I > know they toured recently > with someone major). Still think the live album > beats the heck out of > 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! > Andy G. ===== Duc De Montfort http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort Le Duc's Trade list http://www.geocities.com/mikemontfort/index.html ________________________________________ "The future, is the faith of our age: it is the torch of the past, the guiding star of the present." Jean-Jaques AmpFre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Fri Jan 4 14:54:05 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:54:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tool Message-ID: I think that is just about right. King Crimson supporting Tool. LOL Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Z E Itgeist" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: OFF: Tool > Except it was KC who were supporting Tool! Caught a few Stateside folk > out, who ambled along intending to miss that pesky new support act. How I > larfed. > > > >>>> > Re-Tool - surely the King Crimson support slot will have made a large > diference (and if I've got the erong band, then I know they toured recently > with someone major). Still think the live album beats the heck out of > 'Lateralus' though - now THAT truly is hot stuff! > Andy G. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 4 15:29:17 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:29:17 -0500 Subject: HW: "the book" from Voiceprint Message-ID: A quick tech question... I've long wondered why some CDs have a strange two-tone hue to the playing surface...you know, it looks like in the manufacturing process there's some form of lacquer or something going down onto the Aluminum surface before encasement in the acrylic (or whatever plastic it is). And then for some reason, the 'lacquer' doesn't coat evenly over the surface and forms an irregular boundary somewhere in the middle of the disc (not to be confused with the very regular boundary that is often visible which represents the point at which the music 'runs out' from inside-to-outside). I've got a lot of discs with this strange two-toned hue, but none of them ever have any problems being played or read. But what I wonder is what causes it, and is it really some sort of defect? If so, then why does it happen so often? Just curious on a cold January day...Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 4 15:35:43 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Subject Header Mishap Message-ID: Hey... >A quick tech question... > >I've long wondered why some CDs have a strange two-tone hue... Forgot to change the header last time! Tried to resend with repaired header, but SPC server said "NOPE...this already posted once, you dunderhead" or words to that effect. Hence, this worthless message to explain my mistake. Grakkl (FAA) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Jan 4 18:10:24 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:10:24 -0500 Subject: HW: "the book" from Voiceprint Message-ID: interesting...i always thought that the two-tone discs were recordable, and the monotone discs the ones that standard mfg.s released in order to tell the difference between cds & cd-rs. (IMO-just a wild guess) tim K Henderson wrote: > > A quick tech question... > > I've long wondered why some CDs have a strange two-tone hue to the playing > surface...you know, it looks like in the manufacturing process there's some > form of lacquer or something going down onto the Aluminum surface before > encasement in the acrylic (or whatever plastic it is). And then for some > reason, the 'lacquer' doesn't coat evenly over the surface and forms an > irregular boundary somewhere in the middle of the disc (not to be confused > with the very regular boundary that is often visible which represents the > point at which the music 'runs out' from inside-to-outside). I've got a lot > of discs with this strange two-toned hue, but none of them ever have any > problems being played or read. But what I wonder is what causes it, and is > it really some sort of defect? If so, then why does it happen so often? > > Just curious on a cold January day...Grakkl (FAA) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Jan 4 18:33:19 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: Off:billboard top 100 Message-ID: Only got one...`1' tim From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 4 21:14:34 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:14:34 -0500 Subject: "Two-tone" discs Message-ID: Tim (the Enchanter) suggests... >interesting...i always thought that the two-tone discs were recordable, and >the monotone discs the ones that standard mfg.s released in order to tell the >difference between cds & cd-rs. (IMO-just a wild guess) No, no...I'm talking about something entirely unintentional and non-uniform, more like a 'discolored blob' effect that can only be the result of uneven processing. Two shades of silver with slightly different reflectivity...that's all. Nothing at all to do with marking differences, or colorization of CDR's. Grakkl (FAA) >> A quick tech question... >> >> I've long wondered why some CDs have a strange two-tone hue to the playing >> surface...you know, it looks like in the manufacturing process there's some >> form of lacquer or something going down onto the Aluminum surface before >> encasement in the acrylic (or whatever plastic it is). And then for some >> reason, the 'lacquer' doesn't coat evenly over the surface and forms an >> irregular boundary somewhere in the middle of the disc (not to be confused >> with the very regular boundary that is often visible which represents the >> point at which the music 'runs out' from inside-to-outside). I've got alot >> of discs with this strange two-toned hue, but none of them ever have any >> problems being played or read. But what I wonder is what causes it, and is >> it really some sort of defect? If so, then why does it happen so often? >> >> Just curious on a cold January day...Grakkl (FAA) From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 5 06:35:15 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:35:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Vinyl for sale Message-ID: Hi Ben, Did you sell much of this stuff? What have you got left? Were there many items that were in high demand? If so what were they? ...... chance to get rid of some of my unwanted vinyl. Will you still be able to scan the HW 97 CD sleeve for me? So many questions ..... how are you? Happy New Year etc etc. Cheers, Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: HW: Hawkwind Vinyl for sale BEN'S LIST OF HAWKWIND & RELATED ITEMS FOR SALE / SWAP ------------------------------------------------------ You can phone me on +44 (0)20 7691 3245 or my mobile +44 (0)7980 806488 then we can negotiate a price. Or email me! Most of it is mint or unplayed I expect about ?10 for most of the lps let me know if you think this is too much or too less, Cheers! Hawkwind -------- LPs Hawkwind Friends & Relations Sharp 101 White Cover Hawkwind Friends & Relations Sharp 101 Silver Cover Hawkwind Friends & Relations Twice upon a time Sharp 107 3 copies Hawkwind Friends & Relations Vol. 3 Sharp 024 Stasis the UA years 1971-1975 Gatefold EMI NTS 300 Church of Hawkwind with booklet RCALP9004 This is HW do not panic Gatefold Sharp 022 Out & Intake Sharp 040 Masters of the universe FA 3008 Roadhawks UAK 29919 Hall of the mountain grill with inner UAG 29672 Sonic Attack with lyric sheet RCALP6004 Hawklords with inner & booklet CDS 4014 Stonehenge 83 RTV 12024 PXR5 CHC 25 Quark strangeness & charm CDS 4008 Astounding sounds amazing music CDS 4004 Space ritual huge foldout orig. inners UAD 60037/8 In search of space foldout UAG 29202 Independent Days Vol 2 Sharp 036 Space Bandits GWLP 103 Levitation Blue Vinyl BRON 530 Live 79 202 553-270 Live 79 Japanese with lyric sheet in japanese VIP-6745 It is the business of the future to be dangerous ESDLP 196 Gatefold Travellers Aid Trust Gatefold Sharp 2045 Hawklords CHC 10 Hawklords with Inner CDS 4014 12" Singles 25 Years On Grey Vinyl 2004 Motorhead / Valium Ten fls ep 205 Needlegun FLST 032 3 copies Hawkwind Zoo EP flep 100 Zarozinia FLST 033 The Earth Ritual Preview FLEP 104 Sonic Assassins FLEP 101 Quark (Astralasia remixes) EBT110 Spirit of the age Solstice remixes 4R1T Dave Brock LPs -------------- Agents of chaos Sharp 042 Robert Calvert LPs ------------------ Hype 2 copies SEE 278 Lucky leif & the longships 2 copies gatefold BGO LP2 Freq sharp 021 Lloyd-Langton Group ------------------- Like an arrow through the heart GAS 4014 Outside the law! sharp 015 time space & LLG GWLP 27 Night Air Sharp 026 Steve Swindells LPs ------------------- Fresh Blood K50738 Dumpy's Rusty Nuts LPs ---------------------- Firkin well live, feat. Alan Davey RAZ D39 Motorhead --------- The one to sing the blues 656578 6 All Motorhead CDs available too From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 5 08:04:32 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:04:32 -0500 Subject: Off: Amon D=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FC=FCl?= news Message-ID: Think Progressive Hofbieberer St. 9 fax: 06684 919 390 36167 Morles e-mail: think.progressive at t-online.de Tel: 06684 919388 Re union 2001 ?The kraut-rocklegend is comming back? The return of the Jeti Ritter Amon D??l There re-union of the year 2001 might be a small sensation for the international music scene. 25 jears after the split unite the original members of the ?Krautrock-Act?s? of the 70?jears? again. After their sensational appearance in front of thousand of visitors at the Kloster Cornberg Open-Air in august of this year Amon Du?l decided to go on tour. More shows are plannend in germany for the January and February. The band is also ready to go on tour through Europe and US. Actuel dates see below. Also the Band will play some festivals in summenr 2002. These shows will be organized by the team of ?Think Progressive? who is the promoter of Burg Herzberg Open Air. Think Progressiv is going to support the show by giving purposeful information onto thousands of Burg-Herzberg visitors. The Tour line up from Amon D??l: - Renate Knaup-Kr?tenschwanz Voc. - Lothar Maid Bass - Chris Karrer Guit/Geige/Sax - John Weinzierl Guitar - Peter Leopold Drums - P. P. Kuhnen Kongas - Jan Kahlert Perc. If youre interrestet, or you need more infos, please send a short fax. Kalle Amon D??l on tour: 12.1. 02 Verviers ( Belgien ) : Spirit of 66 13.1. 02 Hamburg : Fabrik 14.1. 02 Berlin: Quasinodo 15.1.02 Mainz: KUZ 16.1. 02 N?rnberg: Hirsch 17.1. 02 Hannover: Faust From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Jan 5 09:32:12 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:32:12 -0600 Subject: "Two-tone" discs Message-ID: Good question Keith! This probably won't answer your question but it's an interesting description of how a CD is constructed: http://www.howstuffworks.com/cd1.htm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Jan 6 02:36:40 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:36:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs/Bic Question... Message-ID: Hi Folks... I know there are some Cardiacs' fans here, and as a big Levitation and dark star (one of MANY) fan (two other bands that Christian "Bic" Hayes has played with more recently), I'm interested in taking an aural peek at them also. I've recently seen a Cardiacs compilation on Ebay which I couldn't easily bid on as the guy only accepted payment in sterling. Anyway, I was just curious if this compilation was a good sampling of their material. Oddly enough it's called "Sampler." :) Tracks are: (1) Is This The Life (2) Angleworm the Angel (3) Burn Your House Brown (4) Goodbye Grace (5) Piffol Four Times (6) Two Bites Of Cherry (live) (7) Tarred and Feathered (live) (8) Blind in Safety and Leafy in Love (9) Big Ship (live) (10) Veronica in Ecstacy (11) Christ Alive (12) The Everso Closely Guarded Line (13) To Go Off and Things If not, or anyway, can someone do just a brief runthough of the Cardiacs career for me - changes in style, personnel, top albums, live albums, still going?, whatever's important for the newbie? Thanks for that. Also, what's up with dark star (Hayes and two other ex-Levitation mates)? Are they still together? I wonder, 'cause I've seen mention of another band called Mikrokosmos that has an album coming out shortly (if not already) on a label called "ALL MY EYE AND BETTY MARTIN MUSIC." I'd be interested in any thoughts on this album (if anyone's heard it), and where it might be available. Thanks much!!! Grakkl (FAA) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 6 09:17:53 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:17:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs/Bic Question... In-Reply-To: <200201060755.CAA13140@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200201060755.CAA13140 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >Hi Folks... > >I know there are some Cardiacs' fans here, and as a big Levitation and dark >star (one of MANY) fan (two other bands that Christian "Bic" Hayes has >played with more recently), I'm interested in taking an aural peek at them >also. >Anyway, I was just curious if this compilation was a good sampling of their >material. It's a fair sampling, my own "best of" would be different, but there are some top tracks there and it'll give you a pretty good idea of their sound. Another good place to start is "Songs for Ships and Irons" which is a collection of non-album tracks from various EPs etc, and is consistently good as well as highly representative. >If not, or anyway, can someone do just a brief runthough of the Cardiacs >career for me - changes in style, personnel, top albums, live albums, still >going?, whatever's important for the newbie? Thanks for that. I can't give you the full lowdown as I've never been into them quite enough to know all the details- but basically: formed around '79 by guitarist/vocalist/songwriter Tim Smith, rather sporadic activity in the early years, cassette-only (I think) album called "The Seaside" which finally got a full release some years later. Not their best but sets out their direction well enough- jerky, punky prog full of strange time changes and brassy instruments, with bizarre and inventive lyrics which seem to describe the world as seen through the eyes of a *very* strange child. And singing style to match the lyrics. Large, shifting group of musicians settle into fairly stable 7 or 8-piece. Nucleus of group is Tim Smith, his brother Jim on bass, and his wife whose name escapes me on keyboards (or was it sax? long time ago, all this...). Band cultivates image of being like a motley gang of disturbed children. Become cult live act, release a series of moderately successful (as these things go) EPs, although first studio album (not counting The Seaside) "A Little Man, a House, and the Whole World Window" doesn't come out until 1987. Excellent album, a little less frenetic than much of their other work but perhaps the most sophisticated manifestation of their odd style. Atypically normal-sounding single "Is This the Life" is hit on the UK indie charts. Band seemingly set to become very big indeed for a cult act. "Cardiacs Live" released sometime around here. 1989 studio album "On Land and In the Sea" is fiery and mad-as-a-fish (probably my favourite Cardiacs recording). Unfortunately the band implodes at this time with Smith breaking up with his wife (I think) and the line-up being drastically slimmed down to a 4-piece. The last time I saw them- in 1991 if my memory serves- it was the 4-man line-up, they did a valiant job of sounding like Cardiacs but without keyboards and brass it was an uphill task. Album from this period "Heaven Born and Ever Bright" is even odder than previous releases, with a strange operatic vocal style, but lacks the surreal charm or musical invention of earlier efforts. Thereafter there has been only sporadic activity AFAIK, although there was a new studio album "Guns" not too long ago, but I haven't heard it. Whatever has been happening seems to have been severely constrained by lack of finances. Although the band were invited to support Blur at a big stadium gig a few years ago, Blur apparently being fans and wanting to give them some exposure. Hope that helps. There's quite a bit of mythology around the band- their onstage personae and interactions with each other could be genuinely disturbing at times, notably Tim Smith's habit of taunting and bullying his brother Jim in the manner of a sadistic six-year-old. Of course this was an act but one had to wonder where it was coming from, and in some ways they were almost a performance art troupe as much as a rock band. I have to say though that in retrospect, their image of apparently pretending to be mentally ill and/or retarded doesn't look so clever, and a friend of mine who recently re-watched their live video "All that Glitters is a Mare's Nest" pronounced it stupid and offensive. And... oh yeah, what did they sound like? "Jerky punky prog" is my best shot. If you've ever heard the UK festival band Poisoned Electrick Head, they're not totally dissimilar, except Cardiacs were much, much better. Pink Floyd's "Atom Heart Mother" was apparently one of Tim Smith's favourite ever tracks and that's very believable when you hear Cardiacs but they had too much energy and twisted pop sensibility (e.g. they covered the Kinks song "Susannah's Still Alive") to be a weighty art- rock affair. I'm not really sure what the current state of play is with the band, but there should be someone here who can flesh out the story and bring it up to date I hope. -- Nick Medford From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jan 6 11:21:02 2002 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:21:02 -0000 Subject: Ozrics - Standard 15/11/01 artwork Message-ID: With many thanks to Nazerman and Dianne from the ozrics.com message board there is now front cover artwork available at http://erpart.deep-ice.com/ follow the links to the Standard artwork. A back cover will be available shortly. I hope you enjoy the artwork as both Nazerman and Dianne have put a lot of time and effort into this, and for that we give them our thanks. All the best Peter From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 6 10:50:25 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:50:25 +0800 Subject: EMI jewel-case Remasters Message-ID: Hi Can anyone tell me if there is any difference in the actual packaging of the HW jewel-case Remasters, compared to the digi-paks (other than the obvious). I know the actual disks have the shield on them, but I've also read they come with booklets that seem to indicate some extra info? William From bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jan 6 12:02:21 2002 From: bill.barwick at VIRGIN.NET (Bill Barwick) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:02:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs/Bic Question... Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:36:40 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Hi Folks... > >I know there are some Cardiacs' fans here, and as a big Levitation and dark >star (one of MANY) fan (two other bands that Christian "Bic" Hayes has >played with more recently), I'm interested in taking an aural peek at them >also. I've recently seen a Cardiacs compilation on Ebay which I couldn't >easily bid on as the guy only accepted payment in sterling. > >Anyway, I was just curious if this compilation was a good sampling of their >material. Oddly enough it's called "Sampler." :) > >Tracks are: >(1) Is This The Life >(2) Angleworm the Angel >(3) Burn Your House Brown >(4) Goodbye Grace >(5) Piffol Four Times >(6) Two Bites Of Cherry (live) >(7) Tarred and Feathered (live) >(8) Blind in Safety and Leafy in Love >(9) Big Ship (live) >(10) Veronica in Ecstacy >(11) Christ Alive >(12) The Everso Closely Guarded Line >(13) To Go Off and Things > >If not, or anyway, can someone do just a brief runthough of the Cardiacs >career for me - changes in style, personnel, top albums, live albums, still >going?, whatever's important for the newbie? Thanks for that. > >Also, what's up with dark star (Hayes and two other ex-Levitation mates)? >Are they still together? I wonder, 'cause I've seen mention of another band >called Mikrokosmos that has an album coming out shortly (if not already) on >a label called "ALL MY EYE AND BETTY MARTIN MUSIC." I'd be interested in >any thoughts on this album (if anyone's heard it), and where it might be >available. > >Thanks much!!! > >Grakkl (FAA) Sadly Dark Star (not to be confused with Darxtar) are no more, heard from Dave Francolini the other night that they have definitely split. Bic has his Mikrokosmos project (which is just him as far as I know) but don't know anything about Laurence's plans although he has supposedly been seen playing bass for Sofia when supporting Mogwai on their last tour. Dave has a new project underway (Dragons) and is looking to gig around Spring if poss. Glad to see that someone else here realises how good a band they are(were). Twenty Twenty Sound is an excellent album for those out there who haven't heard it and it's worth trying to find all the ep's as well as the extra tracks are all as good as those on the album. Best, Bill From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 6 16:40:30 2002 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:40:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Acid Daze II "Re-engineered" In-Reply-To: <20020103202256.31911.qmail@web20410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I've done some tweaking on the Acid Daze II (Leeds) CDR. Those familiar with this recording will know it has two major problems: huge bass feedback at some places and the balance is on average, about 5db down on the left channel. I've completely EQed out the feedback (you can *just* pick it up at one point if you know what to listen for) and sorted out the balance problem - although it still has a tendency to wander a bit. There was also a rough join between two tracks which I've now cross-faded together - quite successfully. I also did some other EQ fixing, added some saturation to thicken it out and put the whole mix through a BBE Sonic Maximiser. The net result? Well I think it is definitely better but then I would after spending two weeks working on it. If you did a straight comparison, the newer version sounds less nasal, a better stereo spread and of course, doesn't knacker your speakers with that feedback. I was listening to it earlier this evening and after your ears go through the necessary adjustment for this type of recording, you could well believe it was a rough-edged "official" release. Its currently on my hard drive so if anyone wants to trade, please contact me off list . Also, I am looking for the Finsbury Park Acid Daze and the best known recording of Camden Music Machine in 1977 if anyone can help please! Thanks, Mark From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 6 17:29:14 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:29:14 EST Subject: EMI jewel-case Remasters Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2002 9:03:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > Hi > > Can anyone tell me if there is any difference in the actual packaging of > the > HW jewel-case Remasters, compared to the digi-paks (other than the > obvious). > I know the actual disks have the shield on them, but I've also read they > come with booklets that seem to indicate some extra info? > > William > I don't have the digi's to compare to, but I just rec'd the jewel versions and I would guess it includes all the same special liners, pics, etc, as they are abundant and excellent. Ahh, Stacia... :) Born too late (to go), Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 06:15:31 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:15:31 GMT Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: Having seen various messages about viruses pass by the list, I thought maybe those with experience could offer advice. Last night, after copying some CDR's I shut down the (Win 95)computer. What I saw was massive and prolonged hard disc access followed by a message "Unable to access drive C:" (That's the system drive on my PC) After that it failed to pick up the boot drive on bootup. I put in a boot floppy, did a SYS A: C: and then booted from the hard drive. I got the system up and immediately upgraded the McAffee data files. I then tried to upgrade the McAfee product and got a failure mssage, followed again by massive hard drive activity. This time I powered down. Now even with the boot floppy I can only get DOS and the A: drive up. It can't see the hard drive at all and it's not detected at the hardware boot. Lucy checked her work machine and found BADTRANS B virus and had it cleaned. So the question is whether these rather worrisome symptoms are consistent with that virus or whether it's something else. Cheers FoFP From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 7 06:40:24 2002 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:40:24 -0000 Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: If it's not detected in the BIOS then it's a failed hard drive. What make/model and how old is it? Hard drives are not the most reliable pieces of hardware, I've seen quite a few dead ones myself, one failing over a period of a few minutes, gradually losing files and slowing down the PC dramatically. I hope you had a decent backup, or nothing valuable on it. Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: OFF: virus help > Having seen various messages about viruses pass by the list, I thought > maybe those with experience could offer advice. > > Last night, after copying some CDR's I shut down the (Win 95)computer. What I > saw was massive and prolonged hard disc access followed by a message > "Unable to access drive C:" (That's the system drive on my PC) After > that it failed to pick up the boot drive on bootup. I put in a boot > floppy, did a SYS A: C: and then booted from the hard drive. I got the > system up and immediately upgraded the McAffee data files. I then tried > to upgrade the McAfee product and got a failure mssage, followed again > by massive hard drive activity. This time I powered down. Now even with > the boot floppy I can only get DOS and the A: drive up. It can't see the > hard drive at all and it's not detected at the hardware boot. > > Lucy checked her work machine and found BADTRANS B virus and had it > cleaned. > > So the question is whether these rather worrisome symptoms are > consistent with that virus or whether it's something else. > > Cheers > > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 07:01:02 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:01:02 GMT Subject: OFF: virus help In-Reply-To: Neil Ward's message of Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:40:24 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Ward writes: > If it's not detected in the BIOS then it's a failed hard drive. It certainly gives that impression. Are there viruses that can access the CMOS to mess with the bootup? > What > make/model and how old is it? It's less than a year old. I think it was a Diamond 60Gb drive, though I could check. > Hard drives are not the most reliable pieces > of hardware, I've seen quite a few dead ones myself, one failing over a > period of a few minutes, gradually losing files and slowing down the PC > dramatically. > > I hope you had a decent backup, Well the system and files as of 10 months ago are on the 8Gb drive that I disconnected when the new drive went in. Hopefully if that's reconnected then I can recover function. >or nothing valuable on it. I'd lose some Hawkwind files I'd started work on and some other stuff. It'd be annoying given the time spent working on it but there it is. I'd meant to set up a backup system using the 8Gb drive but some glitch on the motherboard prevented both drives being connected at once. Messing about with LS120's or CDRs for backup just seemed more trouble than it would be worth. Maybe I'll rethink that now. What backup systems/strategies do you folks use on home systems? > Neil. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: OFF: virus help > > > > Having seen various messages about viruses pass by the list, I thought > > maybe those with experience could offer advice. > > > > Last night, after copying some CDR's I shut down the (Win 95)computer. > What I > > saw was massive and prolonged hard disc access followed by a message > > "Unable to access drive C:" (That's the system drive on my PC) After > > that it failed to pick up the boot drive on bootup. I put in a boot > > floppy, did a SYS A: C: and then booted from the hard drive. I got the > > system up and immediately upgraded the McAffee data files. I then tried > > to upgrade the McAfee product and got a failure mssage, followed again > > by massive hard drive activity. This time I powered down. Now even with > > the boot floppy I can only get DOS and the A: drive up. It can't see the > > hard drive at all and it's not detected at the hardware boot. > > > > Lucy checked her work machine and found BADTRANS B virus and had it > > cleaned. > > > > So the question is whether these rather worrisome symptoms are > > consistent with that virus or whether it's something else. > > > > Cheers > > > > FoFP > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 07:07:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:07:27 EST Subject: Hawkwind related Message-ID: Once again - A HUGE THANK YOU to Andy G for coming thru with the goods!!! Space Ritual Yule Ritual Dave Brocks Memos & Demos All 100% fantastic material - ( as if I need to tell you that :) But seriously - The Yule Ritual is a magnificent live recording and I recomend it to anyone who doesn't yet have it!!! 100% satisfaction. Daves Memos and Demos is extremely enjoyable to listen to. Giving the neighbors a dose of it ....... heehee heeeeeeee -coolllll and of course.... Space Ritual is awesome (my first taste) (shame mode) Peace & Lazer light Michael B From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Jan 7 08:45:31 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:45:31 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind related In-Reply-To: <21.16ff199d.296ae97f@aol.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1338 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 07:42:47 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:42:47 GMT Subject: Hawkwind: Assassins of Allah 7" single for trade Message-ID: I have an extra copy of this rare single which came with the Italian magazine "Vinile". If anyone is interested in trading for it, please get in touch. FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 07:47:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:47:50 EST Subject: Hawkwind related Message-ID: In a message dated 7/01/02 11:05:35 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > THAT'S THE WAY, I LIKE IT > > by H.W. CASEY and R. FINCH > > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > I know you aint a singing to me?? LmAo You should be singing HAWKWIND in here sonny joe like: In the darkness I will shine Cast not shadow nor define I walk on water float on air there is no other to compare I have this fasination No cause for a deviation its called Leeeee - eeeeeeeeV - itation levitation levitation There is no cause to start and scream nor rub your eyes this is no dream Although I sit upon this chair I rise and float up in the air Magnetic force repel attract once it starts theirs no turning back I offer you this chance to learn take it noe theres no return From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 7 08:05:27 2002 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:05:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: Mike wrote: > It certainly gives that impression. Are there viruses that can access > the CMOS to mess with the bootup? > Yes there are, although BADTRANS B you mention is not one of them. The worst such virii can do is to alter the CMOS settings. Entering the BIOS setup on boot (usually pressing DEL key) and selecting 'Detect Hard Drives' should always detect your drives, even if a virus has previously erased any settings. > It's less than a year old. I think it was a Diamond 60Gb drive, though I > could check. Infant failure then. We had a pile of drives failed in under 6 months here at one time, all different makes too, it was uneconomical to send them back to the distributor. The girls in the office use the discs as mirrors after I pulled them apart. In a world of microelectronics, a hard drive is like a steam engine, clonky and old fashioned, and that's being unfair to steam engines. > > Well the system and files as of 10 months ago are on the 8Gb drive that > I disconnected when the new drive went in. Hopefully if that's > reconnected then I can recover function. > Sounds like best idea to get you going quickly. > > I'd lose some Hawkwind files I'd started work on and some other > stuff. It'd be annoying given the time spent working on it but there it > is. I'd meant to set up a backup system using the 8Gb drive but some > glitch on the motherboard prevented both drives being connected at once. > If it is really valuable to you there are data recovery specialists, eg http://www.ultratec.co.uk/mainframe.html or http://www.host-it.co.uk/datarecovery/default.htm. But cheap they are not. > Messing about with LS120's or CDRs for backup just seemed more trouble > than it would be worth. Maybe I'll rethink that now. What backup > systems/strategies do you folks use on home systems? > CDRs are cheap, portable and fairly permanent, best solution for the average user I'd say. http://www.ntibackupnow.com do a backup/restore utility that can span CDs for greater than 650Mb of data (my compressed video of HW Edinburgh gig spans 3), and can do incremental backups (only changes since last backup). Most other backup programs seem to be for tape drives, which to me appear to be less reliable than the hard drives... Neil. From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Jan 7 08:02:51 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:02:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind related Message-ID: By the way, I listened to Lucky Leif on CD last night and track 4 which in my opinion was a boring poem on the LP is totally different and much better on CD, unless that track is damaged? There are echoes and repeated lines all over the place. Much better. Anyone know where that came from? Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: Michael W Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 07/01/02 07:47 Subject: Re: Hawkwind related In a message dated 7/01/02 11:05:35 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > THAT'S THE WAY, I LIKE IT > > by H.W. CASEY and R. FINCH > > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > I know you aint a singing to me?? LmAo You should be singing HAWKWIND in here sonny joe like: In the darkness I will shine Cast not shadow nor define I walk on water float on air there is no other to compare I have this fasination No cause for a deviation its called Leeeee - eeeeeeeeV - itation levitation levitation There is no cause to start and scream nor rub your eyes this is no dream Although I sit upon this chair I rise and float up in the air Magnetic force repel attract once it starts theirs no turning back I offer you this chance to learn take it noe theres no return Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Jan 7 09:26:01 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:26:01 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind: Assassins of Allah 7" single for trade In-Reply-To: <200201071242.MAA08089@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >I have an extra copy of this rare single which came with the Italian >magazine "Vinile". If anyone is interested in trading for it, please >get in touch. > >FoFP hi Mike..(not that you'd consider Satan for the trade, but can I ask anyway if the labels are all silver, in which case don't need, or if they have colors??) also- for those interested in the HW Live In London 75 LP, it's being dispatched today from Japan I wondered if this could be a new LP boot?? (no offense but I hope NOT) I'll ask, and I will report as promised, etc:-) m From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 08:18:12 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:18:12 GMT Subject: Hawkwind: Assassins of Allah 7" single for trade In-Reply-To: mike c's message of Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:26:01 -0600 Message-ID: mike c writes: > >I have an extra copy of this rare single which came with the Italian > >magazine "Vinile". If anyone is interested in trading for it, please > >get in touch. > > > >FoFP > > hi Mike..(not that you'd consider Satan for the trade, but can I ask anyway > if the labels are all silver, in which case don't need, or if they have > colors??) Blue on the side with the tracklist and the orange/black spiral on the other side. I didn't realise there were variants on this? > also- for those interested in the HW Live In London 75 LP, it's being > dispatched today from Japan > > I wondered if this could be a new LP boot?? (no offense but I hope NOT) > > I'll ask, and I will report as promised, etc:-) Yep, keep me posted. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 08:22:03 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:22:03 GMT Subject: HW: Uncut In-Reply-To: Z E Itgeist's message of Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: Z E Itgeist writes: > Just a reminder that the Rolling Stones special is out now, and Hawkwind > are on the red cover, Volume 1 with Gimme Shelter. > > You can subscribe online at > http://www.qksrv.net/click-991334-6249339 What was this? Aerelease of the CD? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 08:24:47 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:24:47 GMT Subject: Another promo CD? Message-ID: I have vague memories of hearing that there was another (as in other than the EMI one) promo CD of Hawkwind around. Does anyone know anything about this? FoFP From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Jan 7 10:04:02 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:04:02 -0600 Subject: Another promo CD? In-Reply-To: <200201071324.NAA20540@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >I have vague memories of hearing that there was another (as in other >than the EMI one) promo CD of Hawkwind around. Does anyone know anything >about this? if it was me it was a mistake I got tricked into buying another EMI "sampler" from the remasters If you ever see the japaneese full version one (of Gimme Shelter), I "ain't" got it (sob).....and on the one Stuart just mentioned..don't know..been unplugged....hmmm there is a CD (comp, sampler, something -or other) that contains "orgone accumulater" lifted from Codename 2000, so I hear, but details have reamained "fuzzy math", and I didn't decide if it was worth persuing more info yet.... m From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 7 10:48:56 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:48:56 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind related Message-ID: I found the original version to be much better, as I really liked the background sounds which were removed from the CD version. William > By the way, I listened to Lucky Leif on CD last night and track 4 which in > my opinion was a boring poem on the LP is totally different and much better > on CD, unless that track is damaged? There are echoes and repeated lines all > over the place. Much better. Anyone know where that came from? > > Eddie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael W Blackman > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 07/01/02 07:47 > Subject: Re: Hawkwind related > > In a message dated 7/01/02 11:05:35 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > > > THAT'S THE WAY, I LIKE IT > > > > by H.W. CASEY and R. FINCH > > > > > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > > > > Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo > > > > I know you aint a singing to me?? LmAo > > You should be singing HAWKWIND in here sonny joe > > like: > > In the darkness I will shine > Cast not shadow nor define > I walk on water float on air > there is no other to compare > > I have this fasination > No cause for a deviation > its called Leeeee - eeeeeeeeV - itation levitation levitation > > There is no cause to start and scream > nor rub your eyes this is no dream > Although I sit upon this chair > I rise and float up in the air > > Magnetic force repel attract > once it starts theirs no turning back > I offer you this chance to learn > take it noe theres no return > Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from > your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 7 11:15:37 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:15:37 GMT Subject: Hawkwind related In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:48:56 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > I found the original version to be much better, as I really liked the > background sounds which were removed from the CD version. Yeah, I thought that the CD version was quite a mess. FoFP From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Jan 7 11:18:14 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:18:14 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind related Message-ID: Just call me old fashioned then. I've yet to listen to the extra tracks on some of the other CD updates I've purchased recently. Anything new tagged on the end anywhere? -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 07/01/02 11:15 Subject: Re: Hawkwind related William Duffy writes: > I found the original version to be much better, as I really liked the > background sounds which were removed from the CD version. Yeah, I thought that the CD version was quite a mess. FoFP Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 13:43:01 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:43:01 -0500 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time In-Reply-To: <007e01c175a5$03ddb680$1700a8c0@alien8.co.uk>; from kevin.perry@VIRGIN.NET on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:33:33AM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:33:33AM -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: > Well, I hadn't decided for certain whether I was going until about 6pm last > night but I'm glad I did - easily the best I've seen them for a couple of > years. To start with, they had a decent sound - at last! The line-up was > Dave , Huw, Alan, Simon (synths and violin) and Richard (drums and Argh, I hope they've been taking soundboard recordings of these recent shows - Huw, Simon and Alan (or is it Ali?) all back in the fold! I want to hear this! Steve P.S. Yes, I'm way the hell behind on my BOC-L mail... From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 13:45:33 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:33 -0500 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time In-Reply-To: <200111271245.HAA01107@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:45:30AM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:45:30AM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > > Great gig at Walthamstow. The sound was undoubtedly the best I've ever > experienced at a Hawkwind show. Finally we heard Simon House as he should > be heard. I hate you all. American tour! American tour! Steve From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 13:49:40 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:49:40 EST Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 5:15:48 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: > I hate you all. > > American tour! American tour! > > Steve > AUSTRALIAN TOUR! ~ AUSTRALIAN TOUR! Teee Heeeee!!!!!!!!!!! From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 14:06:20 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:06:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Online shops (was Re: HW: QS&C) In-Reply-To: <200111280500.AAA06177@listserv.spc.edu>; from sjyoules@VISTO.COM on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:00:03AM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:00:03AM -0500, Moonglum . wrote: > I tried to order 3 HW cd's from White Rabbit, they were Warrior, Sonic > Attack and something else...not QS&C... Anyway I got an email back from > them saying they couldn't get their hands on *any* Hawkwind CD's very sorry > etc. etc.. > > Never mind being sorry, WHY LIST THINGS THAT YOU DON"T HAVE?! This is a > shabby practice that a lot of web retailers go in for, and it's one that I > particularly loathe. > > So I wouldn't bother with White Rabbit if I were you... A lot of online discount sellers do that. They don't actually stock much of _anything_, they wait 'til you place your order, then they order from the distributor. That's why they seem so cheap: no overhead. The fact that it irritates the shit out of their customers when they don't keep their listings up to date, the way they raise your hopes of finding something that they can't actually deliver, doesn't seem to be a matter of major concern to them... On the other hand, some of the better ones will keep trying. I actually found an incredibly rare OOP album (The Straw Dogs _Complete Discography_, only ever issued by some tiny German label, even though they were a Boston band, go figure). This one online shop in Europe that I've used a couple of times told me I'm sorry it wasn't available anymore. I tried Ebay, Amazon's OOP finder service, etc. No go. But that little online shop eventually found a copy for me, almost 6 months later, probably the last copy on the planet, and dropped me a line to ask me if I still wanted it. God, that made my day - now that's service. :) Steve From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 7 14:21:56 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Levitate (uh huh uh huh) I like it In-Reply-To: ; from Michaelangelo68@AOL.COM on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:47:50AM -0500 Message-ID: I hate to say it, but between them, the Mikes have hit upon a profound and disturbing truth. On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:45:31AM -0600, mike c wrote: > THAT'S THE WAY, I LIKE IT > by H.W. CASEY and R. FINCH Heh. I always wondered if that's where the "KC" came from :-) > [...] > When you take me by the hand, > tell me I'm your lovin man > When you give me all your love > and do it > Babe, the very best you can On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:47:50AM -0500, Michael W Blackman wrote: > You should be singing HAWKWIND in here sonny joe > > like: > > In the darkness I will shine > Cast not shadow nor define > I walk on water float on air > there is no other to compare Try singing the "That's the Way" verse to the Levitation tune. The scary thing is, it works. Vice versa too. Yikes! (It breaks down completely in the choruses though, praise all the gods.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 14:24:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:24:56 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Levitate (uh huh uh huh) I like it Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 5:52:12 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > Try singing the "That's the Way" verse to the Levitation tune. > The scary thing is, it works. Vice versa too. Yikes! (It breaks > down completely in the choruses though, praise all the gods.) > Holy crapola!!!!! From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 14:42:36 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:42:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: ; from paul@GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:32:22AM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:32:22AM -0500, Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: > > => Corrision of Conformitiy have 'ifficially' changed their name to C.O.C. > => Maybe their fans can't mouth words liike Corrosion and Conformity? > => Doesn't exactly roll off the drug-addled tongue... > > Pointless trivia: Apparently Warren Haynes guested on one of their > latter studio albums. (So at least they have a modicum of good taste.:) > > I saw Corrosion of Conformity open for someone in Roanoke several > years ago. I found them wholly unremarkable. I hear they're from North > Carolina. The Chapel Hill music scene, which was supposed to be the Next Big Thing since forever (I think people especially expected big things from Superchunk), but really just fizzled. Only Hootie and the Blowfish ever got the big recording contract. Argh. At least The Connells had a kind-of major hit with "74/75". Steve From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 15:04:58 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <68.18539f26.294c48d3@aol.com>; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:33:55AM -0500 Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:33:55AM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > ....Gene Pitney! > > Worth his weight in (ugh) Supertramps! Don't you be dissing Supertramp. Steve From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 15:07:05 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: <200112271555.PAA15357@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 03:55:11PM +0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 03:55:11PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > Neil Ward writes: > > > OK, before anyone gets too steamed up, I have it on extremely good = > > authority > > that your messages have been heard and that this CD WILL be available = > > for > > passport holders too. > > I *knew* this would happen once I'd paid for a ticket for a gig I > couldn't get to. You know Mike, therapy would surely be cheaper in the long run. Steve From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 7 15:27:15 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:27:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: virus help In-Reply-To: <200201071115.LAA28871@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:15:31AM +0000 Message-ID: [I was going to reply to Mike privately, but this is important for other listmembers to read as well, in case you have something similar happen some day.] Mike, the first thing to do is: STOP MUCKING ABOUT WITH IT! If you have a friend who knows how to deal with this stuff, call him/her and ask them to take a look at it. It might well be possible to recover some/most/all of your data. But the more you mess with it, the less likely that gets -- your poking and prodding can easily damage things further. A computer's file system (how it organizes and keeps track of all the stuff on the disk) is a pretty fragile thing; once a minor problem crops up, further use of the machine can turn it into a major problem (sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, sometimes not at all ... but you don't find out which until it's too late). Imagine spilling an ounce or two of coffee on your desk. If you shepherd the spill in the right direction, you can minimize the damage or eliminate it entirely. But if you dive in with bare hands and with your eyes closed, you're as likely to *increase* the damage (number of papers stained, etc.) as to decrease it. Hard drive problems are very similar in that respect. The same goes for Windows, Mac, UNIX, whatever; this is NOT a system-specific warning. Good luck! On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:15:31AM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > Having seen various messages about viruses pass by the list, I thought > maybe those with experience could offer advice. > > Last night, after copying some CDR's I shut down the (Win 95)computer. What I > saw was massive and prolonged hard disc access followed by a message > "Unable to access drive C:" (That's the system drive on my PC) After > that it failed to pick up the boot drive on bootup. I put in a boot > floppy, did a SYS A: C: and then booted from the hard drive. I got the > system up and immediately upgraded the McAffee data files. I then tried > to upgrade the McAfee product and got a failure mssage, followed again > by massive hard drive activity. This time I powered down. Now even with > the boot floppy I can only get DOS and the A: drive up. It can't see the > hard drive at all and it's not detected at the hardware boot. > > Lucy checked her work machine and found BADTRANS B virus and had it > cleaned. > > So the question is whether these rather worrisome symptoms are > consistent with that virus or whether it's something else. > > Cheers > > FoFP -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 15:34:26 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:34:26 EST Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 6:58:08 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > It might well be possible to recover some/most/all of your data. > But the more you mess with it, the less likely that gets -- your > poking and prodding can easily damage things further. A > computer's file system (how it organizes and keeps track of all > the stuff on the disk) is a pretty fragile thing; once a minor > problem crops up, further use of the machine can turn it into a > major problem (sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, sometimes not > at all ... but you don't find out which until it's too late). > I say poke and prod and basically give the ole puter a damn good old fashioned rogering eh what!!!!!!???? Usually works for me and if it doesn't - what the hell - I've got a beaming grand smile on my face for the rest of the day..... What??? Whats that???? this is a public message???? lots of people will read it???? oh dear...... ahem ..... >sheepish grin< .... heh heh ... hello there From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 7 15:49:38 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:49:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <200201032253.RAA23673@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 05:35:01PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 05:35:01PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > Well, the end-of-year lists are out, and I was right! I did actually > purchase one CD from this year's Top 100 (unlike last year, when I struck > out), according to Billbored, which I'm sure is Ameri-centric, but don't > imagine that I could have had significantly more in any UK or Euro list. > > Anyway, the one I got (of course) was Tool - Lateralus, which finished 47 in > the final tally. Seems so weird that this one album made such a big hit all > by itself. I guess it must be that it somehow received great > behind-the-scenes promotion. But why would the label have even tried with > this band, given the complete lack of any other similar type of music > selling anything in the general pop market these days? Maybe you don't realize just how popular and successful Tool are. > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/yearend/2001/bb2002.jsp Wow, that really is kind of a bummer list. I mean there are some bands on there that I even liked last year, all of whom failed to follow up with anything that I enjoyed. Staind hasn't had a good song since Mudshovel, Disturbed has basically repeated the song Stupefied, over and over, but not as well. I really liked Creed's first album, but the followup blows... I thought about picking up Weezer's album. "Hash Pipe" is one of my favorite songs this year (filling the hard-driven guitar pop void that Collective Soul's "Heavy" filled last year). Aside from that, a whole lotta nothing going on. All my favorite new bands wouldn't show up in the top 1000 list. International Noise Conspiracy, White Stripes, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Strokes... Steve From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 7 15:54:16 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:54:16 EST Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 7:20:08 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: > Aside from that, a whole lotta nothing going on. All my > favorite new bands wouldn't show up in the top 1000 list. > International Noise Conspiracy, White Stripes, Black Rebel > Motorcycle Club, The Strokes... > Scooby Doo has a new band happening - dig From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Jan 7 16:33:40 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Uncut Message-ID: It was the pre Xmas issue of Uncut magazine that came in two variations. Each had a CD cover mounted consisting of covers of Rolling Stones tracks by various (and varied) artists. Hawkwind made it on to one of the CD's with the cover of Gimme Shelter - I think it was the red coloured CD (and the other one was blue). As I didn't get round to buying the magazine (never had the deep sea diver in my pocket at the right time) I don't know whether it was the 'with Sam Fox on backing vocals' version or the album version. Most newsagents are now selling the next issue of Uncut magazine. Coincidentally, a guest page that I read recently (I think it was Age Parr's site) contains an entry from somebody who works on Uncut magazine. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Uncut > Z E Itgeist writes: > > > Just a reminder that the Rolling Stones special is out now, and Hawkwind > > are on the red cover, Volume 1 with Gimme Shelter. > > > > You can subscribe online at > > http://www.qksrv.net/click-991334-6249339 > > > What was this? Aerelease of the CD? > > FoFP > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jan 7 16:37:15 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:37:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: >On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 05:35:01PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > >> Anyway, the one I got (of course) was Tool - Lateralus, which finished 47 in >> the final tally. Seems so weird that this one album made such a big hit all >> by itself. I guess it must be that it somehow received great >> behind-the-scenes promotion. But why would the label have even tried with >> this band, given the complete lack of any other similar type of music >> selling anything in the general pop market these days? > >Maybe you don't realize just how popular and successful Tool are. No, I do realize that they're hugely popular - they played at Ohio State's enormous basketball arena which seats somewhere around 18,000. I just don't understand WHY? I mean, obviously (the majority of) their fans are those who normally listen to FM radio 'alternative' (i.e., shit), and so Tool is the only 'progressive' band they even know. And furthermore, these 'fans' have absolutely no interest in seeking out other similar-style bands. Why? 'Cause then there would be sixteen other copycat bands popular as hell also! That's usually the way the system works in American pop culture (hence 56 movies made that try to do what that 'There's Something About Mary' did...and the whole Seattle grundge thing started by one album). So why hasn't it happened with Tool-style progressive? I'm baffled. I dunno, maybe it's just happening *really* slowly or something. My brother did play a song for me by a band called System of a Down that I thought was alright. Are they similar or anything? >Staind >Mudshovel >Disturbed >Creed >Weezer >Collective Soul >International Noise Conspiracy >White Stripes >Black Rebel Motorcycle Club >The Strokes I don't know *any* of these bands. Except a (terrible) Collective Soul song or two from about six years ago. Creed is a name I see alot and perhaps I've heard them, but I haven't put the name to music just yet. Over Christams, my brother was saying something about Train - I guess they're huge or something, but I had no clue what he was talking about. I'm getting old... Grakkl (FAA) From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Jan 8 00:32:54 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:32:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <200201072156.QAA26217@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:37:15PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:37:15PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > > > >Maybe you don't realize just how popular and successful Tool are. > > No, I do realize that they're hugely popular - they played at Ohio State's > enormous basketball arena which seats somewhere around 18,000. I just don't > understand WHY? I mean, obviously (the majority of) their fans are those > who normally listen to FM radio 'alternative' (i.e., shit), and so Tool is > the only 'progressive' band they even know. And furthermore, these 'fans' > have absolutely no interest in seeking out other similar-style bands. Why? Well, Maynard Keenan's other band, _Perfect Circle_ actually sold a lot of records, too. :) As to *why* people like Tool when other prog metal bands aren't doing that well... hell, I dunno. I suspect they mistake it for Nu Metal, which is selling like hotcakes. It's got that same dark angsty sound to it, right? ...Right? :) > 'Cause then there would be sixteen other copycat bands popular as hell also! > That's usually the way the system works in American pop culture (hence 56 > movies made that try to do what that 'There's Something About Mary' > did...and the whole Seattle grundge thing started by one album). So why > hasn't it happened with Tool-style progressive? I'm baffled. Well, I agree it's a mystery, but sometimes that just doesn't happen. I mean, nobody tried to clone Rush, even though they sold tons of albums. Why not? I mean, apart from the fact that Ted wouldn't have liked that? ;-) > I dunno, maybe it's just happening *really* slowly or something. My brother > did play a song for me by a band called System of a Down that I thought was > alright. Are they similar or anything? Ummm, similar? Only in that I think those two bands are the leading edge of the alternative metal scene these days... I think System Of A Down actually has some originality that is sadly lacking in most of the Limp Bizkit imitators pumping out their endless, monotonous drivel these days. (And I even *liked* some early Nu Metal stuff, even Bizkit - check out "Re-Arranged"). My favorite System of a Down song is "Sugar", it's off their previous album, I think. It's weird, but it fuckin-A *rocks*. > I don't know *any* of these bands. Except a (terrible) Collective Soul song > or two from about six years ago. Creed is a name I see alot and perhaps Oh, c'mon, "Shine" was a great song. ;-) "Heavy" was better, though. Creed put out some seriously heavy, guitar-driven stuff on their first album. A little bit over-angstful, perhaps, but _intense_. Their followup was kind of lame pop metal. Ah, well... Steve From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Tue Jan 8 01:04:14 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:04:14 -0700 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > >I'm getting old... >Grakkl (FAA) > Me too, but I really like Tool. I bought their first full length release, _Undertow_, in 1994, because I was intrigued by the cover art. It rapidly became one of my favorite albums, and I believe it played a crucial role in getting me through graduate school with my sanity intact. :-) I think people's perceptions of the Tool audience are a bit off. I've seen them twice at Red Rocks (Morrison, Colorado), and I was surprised how many people in the audience were apparently in their 30s, and even older. The last time I saw them, King Crimson opened for them. I'm a big King Crimson fan, but Robert Fripp has a tendancy of disappearing into the darkness during a concert, both visually and musically, and that concert was no exception. Still, the Tool audience was very receptive. They weren't as kind to the Melvins (lots of booing and bottles thrown), who opened for them at the previous Red Rocks show (but then again, the Melvins set really was awful). :-) Guido P.S. I saw one King Crimson concert where Fripp was in the light, and he was absolutely fantastic. I think he's the best guitarist I've seen. It's weird seeing someone who looks like a grumpy Old World English grandfather playing guitar like that. :-) From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Jan 8 05:28:54 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:28:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Uncut Message-ID: Twas the version sans Sam Fox >>> Subject: Re: HW: Uncut Z E Itgeist writes: > Just a reminder that the Rolling Stones special is out now, and Hawkwind > are on the red cover, Volume 1 with Gimme Shelter. > > You can subscribe online at > http://www.qksrv.net/click-991334-6249339 What was this? Aerelease of the CD? FoFP From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 8 05:57:46 2002 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:57:46 -0500 Subject: "Two-tone" discs Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:14:34 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >No, no...I'm talking about something entirely unintentional and non- uniform, >more like a 'discolored blob' effect that can only be the result of uneven >processing. >Two shades of silver with slightly different reflectivity...that's all. > >Nothing at all to do with marking differences, or colorization of CDR's. I think I know what you mean and it's vaguely bugged me in the past. Lower quality CDs seem to have it more than higher, which is why it's often most visible on CDRs. I don't *know* why it is and can't seem to find out but I can take a running guess. CD groove spacing does spoony things to light anyway - hence the flashing rainbow colours of a turning disc, as it acts as a reflective diffraction grating. You sometimes get blank CDs, with the grooves but no metal foil, used as spacers in blank CD stacks, which I use at work as transmission diffraction gratings - very handy. So they're some sort of optically active to start with. Then there's the plastic they're made of. Clear plastic, polycarbonate, perspex type things in general, will show their internal stress patterns and plane shifts as coloured fringes, like an oil film, if you look at them under polarised light, where all the waves are organised into the same plane. I can imagine a blob of hot plastic being dropped onto the metal layer of the CD and pressed out into shape. If the plastic is hot enough as it goes on it would flow evenly and you'd get a top surface with no stresses between itself. If it cooled too much as it spread out, bits of it would flow at slightly different speeds and you'd get permanent internal stresses in the plastic. If the reflected light is coming back polarised, organised, to some extent, it would pass through the stressed parts and possibly show up the stress patterns in the plastic in that way. That would explain why the ones with the most obvious marks like that (I always thought of them as water stains, though not literally) don't write very well, as they've probably been badly produced generally if the top plastic layer was too cold as it went on. This is all pure speculation of course. Who let a lab technician in here? Sherm From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Tue Jan 8 06:15:37 2002 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:15:37 -0000 Subject: BOC: "Nikki" Message-ID: Well, here's a bizarre BOC sighting. I was channel-surfing at the weekend, and on one channel, I think it was E4, they had this US sitcom called "Nikki." It seems to be about the adventures of a Las Vegas chrous girl. Anyway, the eponymous heroine is very pretty, but the reason I watched it for more than about two seconds was because of the dance routine she and her colleagues were perfoming. It was "Godzilla." A workmanlike but faithful cover version. The girls were wearing what I can only describe as skimpy Godzilla outfits; there were a couple of male dancers in King Kong suits, and a flying saucer or two as well. The overall effect was absurd (as it was clearly intended to be.) Sadly the show proceeded into normal sitcom territory after that, although the skimpy Godzilla costume did make another, welcome, appearance. -- Andy www.andygilham.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 8 07:03:08 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:03:08 GMT Subject: OFF: virus help In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:27:15 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > [I was going to reply to Mike privately, but this is important > for other listmembers to read as well, in case you have something > similar happen some day.] > > Mike, the first thing to do is: STOP MUCKING ABOUT WITH IT! Well, it looks like there's not much mucking about to do as the disk isn't even spinning. The virus looks to be a coincidence. Certainly Badtrans isn't listed for this sort of wreckage so it looks like a hard drive meltdown, probably helped along by the 5 CDRs I burned that night. This is when that backup thing would have been handy, right? So, any suggestions for how to get it spinning again? FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 07:08:46 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:08:46 EST Subject: BOC: "Nikki" Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 9:46:00 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, email at ANDYGILHAM.COM writes: > It was "Godzilla." A workmanlike but faithful cover version. The girls > were wearing what I can only describe as skimpy Godzilla outfits; there were > a couple of male dancers in King Kong suits, and a flying saucer or two as > well. The overall effect was absurd (as it was clearly intended to be.) > > Sadly the show proceeded into normal sitcom territory after that, although > the skimpy Godzilla costume did make another, welcome, appearance. > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com > > > Sounds like any average day at my place - Sounds like copyright has been infringed From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Jan 8 07:15:56 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:15:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: virus help In-Reply-To: <200201081203.MAA25030@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:03:08PM +0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:03:08PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > Eric Siegerman writes: > > > [I was going to reply to Mike privately, but this is important > > for other listmembers to read as well, in case you have something > > similar happen some day.] > > > > Mike, the first thing to do is: STOP MUCKING ABOUT WITH IT! > > Well, it looks like there's not much mucking about to do as the disk > isn't even spinning. The virus looks to be a coincidence. Certainly > Badtrans isn't listed for this sort of wreckage so it looks like a hard > drive meltdown, probably helped along by the 5 CDRs I burned that night. > > This is when that backup thing would have been handy, right? > > So, any suggestions for how to get it spinning again? Oof! "Not spinning" is about the worst of all worlds (short of "flame and smoke spewing from the drive case"). I've missed any previous posts on this (deleting like crazy to catch up on 6 weeks worth of mail), but it sounds like your drive is probably toast. The only useful thing I can suggest at this point is make sure that the power cable is firmly plugged into it. Those things don't usualy work loose if they were correctly plugged in, but it's worth a check. Steve From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 8 06:25:50 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:25:50 EDT Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <3C3A8BDE.5000209@attbi.com> Message-ID: On 7 Jan 2002, at 23:04, Guido Vacano wrote: > P.S. I saw one King Crimson concert where Fripp was in the light, and > he was absolutely fantastic. I think he's the best guitarist I've > seen. It's weird seeing someone who looks like a grumpy Old World > English grandfather playing guitar like that. :-) I saw KC about 25 years ago, and RF looked like that then! Oh, and they totally kicked ass too... theo From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 07:30:24 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:30:24 EST Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 10:33:26 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Well, it looks like there's not much mucking about to do as the disk > isn't even spinning. The virus looks to be a coincidence. Certainly > Badtrans isn't listed for this sort of wreckage so it looks like a hard > drive meltdown, probably helped along by the 5 CDRs I burned that night. > > This is when that backup thing would have been handy, right? > > So, any suggestions for how to get it spinning again? > > FoFP > I would recomend the following TECHNICAL procedures..... Ok.... First locate and purchase (A) 5 Grams of high quality SPEED and (B) 2 athletic mice, gerbils or chipmuks. (Chipmonks being naturally speedy would be the ideal choice) connect a rodent running wheel to your hard drive via gears and little gear belts Allow said rodents to ingest just enough speed untill their little eyeballs look about to pop out ( not to far tho - they can't see) place one hyper rodent into the running wheels (saving other rodent for when the first get tired) dangle a piece of the rodents fave food in front of running wheel having done all this correctly you should find you have a fully operational hard drive again with at least a 75% increase in Hard disk RPM and the data seek time will be exceptional.... Cheers (( ok - I don't know )) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 8 06:33:33 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:33:33 EDT Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <20020108003254.A13956@cugc.org> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2002, at 0:32, Stephen Swann wrote: > Well, I agree it's a mystery, but sometimes that just > doesn't happen. I mean, nobody tried to clone Rush, even > though they sold tons of albums. Why not? I mean, apart > from the fact that Ted wouldn't have liked that? ;-) > You shittin' me? I would've LOVED it! My Geddy Lee voodoo doll is just about worn out. But how could any band copy that 'voice?' theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 8 07:34:22 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:34:22 GMT Subject: OFF: virus help In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:30:24 EST Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > > So, any suggestions for how to get it spinning again? > > I would recomend the following TECHNICAL procedures..... > > First locate and purchase (A) 5 Grams of high quality SPEED and (B) 2 > athletic mice, gerbils or chipmuks. (Chipmonks being naturally speedy would > be the ideal choice) > > connect a rodent running wheel to your hard drive via gears and little gear > belts > > Allow said rodents to ingest just enough speed untill their little eyeballs > look about to pop out ( not to far tho - they can't see) > > place one hyper rodent into the running wheels (saving other rodent for when > the first get tired) > > dangle a piece of the rodents fave food in front of running wheel > > having done all this correctly you should find you have a fully operational > hard drive again with at least a 75% increase in Hard disk RPM and the data > seek time will be exceptional.... That's all well and good, but Bill Gates has patented this for Windoze and will undoubtedly sue me. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 8 06:35:38 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:35:38 EDT Subject: OFF: BRMC [NO BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <20020107154938.A65@cugc.org> Message-ID: On 7 Jan 2002, at 15:49, Stephen Swann wrote: > Aside from that, a whole lotta nothing going on. All my > favorite new bands wouldn't show up in the top 1000 list. > International Noise Conspiracy, White Stripes, Black Rebel > Motorcycle Club, The Strokes... > Hey, everyone around here is raving about BRMC. They played a club here a week or so ago and I was tempted to go. What's the scoop on them? theo From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 07:44:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:44:04 EST Subject: OFF: virus help Message-ID: In a message dated 8/01/02 11:04:55 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > That's all well and good, but Bill Gates has patented this for Windoze > and will undoubtedly sue me. > > FoFP > Bugger steals all my genius inventions mutter-mutter From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Jan 8 08:49:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:49:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Chronicles book In-Reply-To: <200201081000.FAA13747@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: So, *someone* around these parts must know what's happening to Mr. Parr's HW Chronicles....? Kris? Anybody? And what about that BBC programme on HW that never materialised? ?? Steve Litchfield From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 09:02:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:02:29 EST Subject: HW: Chronicles book Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 12:21:51 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK writes: > So, *someone* around these parts must know what's happening to Mr. Parr's > HW Chronicles....? Kris? Anybody? And what about that BBC programme on HW > that never materialised? > Yes - that cool book that was in the pipeline waiting for a publisher or something? What DID happen??? From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 8 09:11:21 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:11:21 +0800 Subject: HW: Chronicles book Message-ID: I would like to see a reprint of Kris' first book ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: Chronicles book > In a message dated 9/01/02 12:21:51 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK writes: > > > > So, *someone* around these parts must know what's happening to Mr. Parr's > > HW Chronicles....? Kris? Anybody? And what about that BBC programme on HW > > that never materialised? > > > > Yes - that cool book that was in the pipeline waiting for a publisher or > something? > > What DID happen??? > From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 8 09:58:37 2002 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:58:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry In-Reply-To: <002501c1910f$a9314540$bdb4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirsten Procter" > > > Thanks, Michael. I think that all DB owes us is the best possible music > by > > > gathering together the best possible line-up: 2001 Winter Tour...Mission > > > Achieved! > > > > Ron. If I were old enough, I'd miss Bob. YES, the current line-up is > > great, it's nice to imagine the band playing together, writing new > > material and [perhaps gelling in a way you can;'t quite if you're > > changing line-ups all the time. But it's not my fantasy Hawkwind, and > > I'd be surprised if it were many others > > Well, also...but I wasn't playing fantasy line-ups. I was talking True. Sorry, that was just my pushing things a bit to provoke thought. It doesn;t always work. Even with me. > about DB's pulling together the best line-up he possibly could. IMHO, and of > course only IMHO, this was pretty much achieved on the winter tour: the two > longest serving members aside from Brock and, arguably, the two best > musicians (SH, H-LL) that have played in Hawkwind. I don;t even want to think abotu a Hawkwind without Simon House. It feels, to me, as ridiculous as a Hawkwind without Dave Brock. It's doable, but it's not good. I realise that I am alnmost certainly alone in this feeling. > > Your fantasy line-up might well include Bob Calvert, it might also include > Lemmy. But for obviously differing reasons, a tour with these x-members is > unachievable. Read my point again: "best possible line-up" - it's got to be > achievable: logistically, financially etc. I wasn't going to include those. I suppose I was rambling a bit - apologies for that. > Thinking back to the general reaction of regarding the 1999 mini-tour, where > Ron was playing bass and doing most vocals compared to the reaction for Ron > now..seems the more low-key his performance, the more he is missed. But I > can't believe the band can afford (fiscal terms) to employ somebody to sing > on three or four tracks, unfortunately. Very talented guy, though. I suppose that's fair enough. I do wish it were Rizz that had been dropped isntead though, bearable as he was this time. > I don't really go for Dave's solo stuff either. But he's in a great position > of being able to gather around him a great support team and after 30+years > of *being* Hawkwind sort of pick and choose who he works with. I thought > the winter tour was pretty special (I have a hunch that I enjoyed Space > Bandits 1990 a bit more but that might have been circumstances) and the > line-up near perfect...I really treasure that night in Swindon. I realise > that's just my opinion but it seems to be shared around quite a bit. I didn't see the Swindon gig. I'd been planning on going to Brighton, but confusion over that and lack of babysitters meant that I missed that and only saw Croydon (and the RFH and Christmas party). I do take your point, but it seems to me that if Hawkwind really is Dave 'with a great support team', well, I'm going to get tired fairly quickly. This isn't happening, I hasten to add. I do think that it'd be nice to see new stuff, and that the person who was supplying the new stuff I'd like to see being missing is, well, sub-optimal, but, as I said, if the line-ups staying reasonably steady, then maybe we'll get that. Would be nice, no? I realise tide of opinion is against me, but that's why I spoke up in the first place - I'm sure it's been pointed out before that the best way to get an answer is to say something controversial, or even wrong, well, I don't have many of the answers, but I did want to add my 2p here. Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti nina mashine fedha From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 10:16:45 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:16:45 EST Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/02 3:05:23 PM, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: << Don't you be dissing Supertramp. Steve >> ======== This one says "I have not even BEGUN to dis Supertramp!" "<>" From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 8 10:27:13 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:27:13 +0800 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: "Even In The Quietest Moments" is exempt from Dissing Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees > In a message dated 1/7/02 3:05:23 PM, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: > > << Don't you be dissing Supertramp. > > Steve > > >> > ======== > This one says > > "I have not even BEGUN to dis Supertramp!" > > > "<>" > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 10:28:14 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:28:14 EST Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 1:56:07 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: > "Even In The Quietest Moments" is exempt from Dissing Diss diss Diss datt what is diss awwwww about anyway I mean weally peeple From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Jan 8 10:48:11 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:48:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <120.96e5b9a.296c675d@aol.com>; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:16:45AM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:16:45AM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 1/7/02 3:05:23 PM, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: > > << Don't you be dissing Supertramp. > > ======== > This one says > > "I have not even BEGUN to dis Supertramp!" For that you deserve to be subjected to 1 month of all NuMetal radio listening, with Nickelback and Puddle of Mud in high rotation. Steve From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 11:00:40 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:00:40 EST Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/02 10:48:48 AM, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: << For that you deserve to be subjected to 1 month of all NuMetal radio listening, with Nickelback and Puddle of Mud in high rotation. Steve ================== -- Nahhh..... This old fart says " You aint old enough to decide what it is to which I'm listening.... mostly Natacha Atlas and the late Ofra Haza in 2001 "high rotation"? What a laugh, comrade... as if I would be listening to any of this, more than once? =============== "<>" "you're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I, so am I.... From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Jan 8 11:46:24 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:46:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: ; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:00:40AM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:00:40AM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 1/8/02 10:48:48 AM, swann at CUGC.ORG writes: > > << For that you deserve to be subjected to 1 month of all > NuMetal radio listening, with Nickelback and Puddle > of Mud in high rotation. > > ================== > Nahhh..... > > This old fart says " You aint old enough to decide what it is to which I'm > listening.... That wasn't intended as musical education, it was intended as a form of torture. Anyway, how old do you think I am? :) Steve From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 8 15:45:31 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:45:31 -0000 Subject: Acid Daze II "Re-engineered" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Edmonds > Sent: 06 January 2002 21:41 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Acid Daze II "Re-engineered" > > > Hi all, > > I've done some tweaking on the Acid Daze II (Leeds) CDR. > > Those familiar with this recording will know it has two major > problems: huge bass feedback at some places and the balance > is on average, about 5db down on the left channel. > > I've completely EQed out the feedback (you can *just* pick it > up at one point if you know what to listen for) and sorted > out the balance problem - although it still has a tendency to > wander a bit. There was also a rough join between two tracks > which I've now cross-faded together - quite successfully. I > also did some other EQ fixing, added some saturation to > thicken it out and put the whole mix through a BBE Sonic Maximiser. > > The net result? Well I think it is definitely better but then > I would after spending two weeks working on it. If you did a > straight comparison, the newer version sounds less nasal, a > better stereo spread and of course, doesn't knacker your > speakers with that feedback. I was listening to it earlier > this evening and after your ears go through the necessary > adjustment for this type of recording, you could well believe > it was a rough-edged "official" release. > > Its currently on my hard drive so if anyone wants to trade, > please contact me off list . > > Also, I am looking for the Finsbury Park Acid Daze and the > best known recording of Camden Music Machine in 1977 if > anyone can help please! > > Thanks, > > Mark Good Evening Mark I would very much like a copy of the Acid Daze Leeds gig I enjoyed them both greatly but my fading memory doent recall that much about them. I have a vg recording of the Camden gig I got from Bernard which I would be happy to send you. Thanks Brian > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 16:43:31 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:31 EST Subject: OFF: AOL netradio Message-ID: got aol 7.0 last night, logged onto radio at aol and chose the 'heavy rock' station...i was skeptical. but this is what i heard: strutter (studio) aqualung stone cold crazy (queen) godzilla ....ok, then they wrecked it by playing 'faithfully' by journey...but still impressed enough to bookmark it. not hardradio.com, but cool bobm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 8 16:27:00 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:27:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs Message-ID: Hey. Thanks for all the responses about Cardiacs et al. Coincidentally, this was just posted to rmp, so maybe it's of some relevance to the discussion. As usual, lots of compilations now to choose from! Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Having heard that people are finding it difficult to track down Cardiacs releases, here's a link again to the Organ/Org Records mailorder page. There are only two Cardiacs releases here unfortunately, the Cardiacs/Camp Blackfoot split single (Camp Blackfoot may be of interest: complex, loud hard hitting twisted stuff), and the compilation 'Cardiacs And Affectionate Friends' - a collection of Cardiacs' quieter, meditative moments and similar from ex-member's bands and side projects such as The Sea Nymphs, Spratleys Japs, The Lake Of Puppies and William D Drake. Not typical Cardiacs, but it gets to the very English, pastoral strange core at the heart of all their stormyness. http://www.organart.demon.co.uk/mailorder.htm There will be a new compilation of Cardiacs in full flood out this spring. Whilst on the subject of Cardiacs: Tim Smith (Cardiacs' main composer/frontman/guitarist) side project Spratley's Japs have a couple of downloads on Mp3.com at http://www.mp3.com/spratleys_japs ...'Vine' starts off as a Devo-ish pop tune that ends up somewhere odd and undefinable... 'Hazel' is a short, magical and strange somewhat classical thing that completely defies categorisation but I suspect a lot of people here will like... Marinaorgan From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 8 17:05:33 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:05:33 EST Subject: AOL netradio Message-ID: was tabitha's prom song From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 8 19:17:52 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:17:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <20020107154938.A65@cugc.org> Message-ID: a portion from Keith: > Disturbed has >basically repeated the song Stupefied, over and over, but >not as well. oh yeah- that- wierd that one- (the album) (like it) (though I wouldn't mind shooting them, or anything like that) calls for a Botfly POD-link : http://www.vexman.com/botfly.htm From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Jan 8 18:19:06 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:19:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: i tawt i sawd a puddy tat!! Michael W Blackman wrote: > > In a message dated 9/01/02 1:56:07 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: > > > > "Even In The Quietest Moments" is exempt from Dissing > > Diss diss > Diss datt > > what is diss awwwww about anyway > I mean > weally peeple From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 8 18:48:49 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:48:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs In-Reply-To: <200201082145.QAA13962@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200201082145.QAA13962 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >Whilst on the subject of Cardiacs: >Tim Smith (Cardiacs' main composer/frontman/guitarist) side project >Spratley's Japs have a couple of downloads on Mp3.com at >http://www.mp3.com/spratleys_japs ...'Vine' starts off as a Devo-ish >pop tune that ends up somewhere odd and undefinable... 'Hazel' is a >short, magical and strange somewhat classical thing that completely >defies categorisation but I suspect a lot of people here will like... Thanks for posting this Keith... just bagged these 2 tracks- well worth hearing, although they both (in different ways) sound a bit like re-writes of the Cardiacs track "Stone Age Dinosaurs". Anyway you can get both of these plus a track by former Cardiacs keyboard wizard William Drake at http://www.anyware.co.uk/japs/ which is a mightily weird site and well worth perusing. Having been thus inspired, I did some digging around and discovered that Cardiacs themselves are alive and kicking (it appears they played in London just a couple of months ago) and have a site at www.cardiacs.com Also, if you go to http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/30/cardiacs.html you can download quite a few of the tracks from the Sampler CD for free. Well worth checking out! -- Nick Medford From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 8 20:01:06 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:01:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: 2001's Top 100 In-Reply-To: <3C3AA0CD.5846.157FFB@localhost> Message-ID: >You shittin' me? I would've LOVED it! My Geddy Lee voodoo doll is >just about worn out. But how could any band copy that 'voice?' > >theo my friend described it as "vice grip firmly on left nut" the other nite..... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 8 20:37:50 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:37:50 -0600 Subject: HW: Chronicles book In-Reply-To: <014001c1984e$59bfd620$ddb03bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: >I would like to see a reprint of Kris' first book me too- lets see- would it be the black with blue writing, the black with red writing, the red one in general, or a white one??? one of the above is an original, and an imposter, I suspect....I think it's the red one??? From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Tue Jan 8 19:38:39 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:38:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Chronicles book Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Chronicles book > >I would like to see a reprint of Kris' first book > > > me too- lets see- would it be the black with blue writing, the black with > red writing, the red one in general, or a white one??? > > one of the above is an original, and an imposter, I suspect....I think it's > the red one??? The original is Black with Red writing. I bought one of the very first ones at I think Slough Secombe centre way back. If memory serves(which it rarely does), it was the first night they had them to sell and I was pretty much the first one to the little table she had set up! Kris signed it for me("Hugs and kisse" and a smily face!) :) Si From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 8 20:55:06 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:55:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Chronicles book In-Reply-To: <01b501c198a5$fbb73c00$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: >The original is Black with Red writing. I bought one of the very first ones >at I think Slough Secombe centre way back. If memory serves(which it rarely >does), it was the first night they had them to sell and I was pretty much >the first one to the little table she had set up! Kris signed it for >me("Hugs and kisse" and a smily face!) :) > >Si oh kewel! so I have an original and a reprint (both blacks)....a friends got the red cover (I wouldn't mind one someday, tho' I like the blacks better), and I thought I heard of a white one if there is an error or there is others- pray tell! thanks SI m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 8 19:50:38 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:50:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: Surprising asteroid whizzes past Earth Space Shorts: Cosmic rock came within a half-million miles Jan. 8 ? An asteroid large enough to wipe out France hurtled past Earth at a distance of a half-million miles just days after scientists spotted it. The asteroid, dubbed 2001 YB5, came within 520,000 miles of Earth on Monday, approximately twice the distance of the moon. DOZENS OF ASTEROIDS pass close by the Earth each year, though 2001 YB5 was closer than most. On Friday, for instance, an asteroid known as 2001 UU92 will pass with 11 million miles of Earth. Asteroid 2001 YB5, estimated to be 1,000 feet (300 meters) across, was traveling about 68,000 mph (108,000 kilometers per hour) relative to the Earth when it zipped past. ?It?s a fairly substantial rock. If it had hit us at that sort of speed, you would be taking out a medium-size country, France, I suppose, or Texas, or something of that order,? said Jay Tate, director of the Spaceguard Center in Wales. Astronomers with the NASA?s Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking program discovered 2001 YB5 on Dec. 26. Soon after, astronomers calculated the asteroid?s orbit and determined there was no danger it would strike Earth. Had it been on a collision course, it would have created ?one of the worst disasters in human history,? said Steven Pravdo, the Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking project manager at NASA?s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. ?What could we have done about it? The answer is, not much,? Pravdo said. As astronomers discover more and more near-Earth asteroids, they seek a standardized way of alerting the public to the hazard they might pose. Among programs already in place is the Spaceguard Center?s Comet and Asteroid Information Network, which began work Jan. 1. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 8 22:38:32 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:38:32 -0600 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: <200201090109.UAA16022@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: terrifying stuff but maybe the very "beings" who guided the (space) ship through turns into Siberia in 1908 and then nuked it or a flashpod to get our attention are out there batting for us...?!! terrifying the thought of a sudden squash, however it happens....on the level of Vietnamese centipedes, scorpions or snakes being discovered in "one's" bed,,,,,not to mention bot-fly larvae implants or sea cone invenomation on the flat of the foot... place prayers on the fast-walkers (perhaps) m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 00:03:05 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:03:05 EST Subject: OFF: AOL netradio Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 8:14:48 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > got aol 7.0 last night, logged onto radio at aol and chose the 'heavy rock' > station...i was skeptical. but this is what i heard: > strutter (studio) > aqualung > stone cold crazy (queen) > godzilla > > ....ok, then they wrecked it by playing 'faithfully' by journey...but still > impressed enough to bookmark it. not hardradio.com, but cool > Hello Rmayo I also use aol now ( 6.0 ) Is 7 ok? I have heard a few people complain about it. but then I have alot of problems with 6. Would you recomend me upgrading? Michael 'Alien Dream' Blackman PS would the following people kindly contact me: I have lost email addresses etc during travels and change of ISP's Capt'n Bl at ck Stephen Lindas Cheers From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 00:11:32 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:11:32 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/5/02 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 1/5/02 (5-7pm) 1.Popul Vuh-- title-track (In the Gardens of Pharaoh; Celestial Harmonies) 2.Acid Mothers Temple-- "You're Still Now Near Me Everytime" (New Geocentric World; Squealer) 3.FSOL-- "Slider" (ISDN; Virgin/Electronic Brain Violence) 4.Mirza-- "East" (Last Clouds; Ba Da Bing!) 5.Lightning Bolt-- "Into the Valley" (ST'd; Load) 6.Flowchart-- "Envelopment Continuum" (Cumulus Mood Twang; Carrot Top) 7.Silver Apples-- "I Don't Care What the People Say" (The Garden; Whirlybird) 8.Pretty Things-- "She Says Good Morning" (S.F. Sorrow; Snapper) 9.Kraftwerk-- "Franz Schubert/Endless Endless" (Trans-Europe Express; Capitol) 10.Cluster-- "Fur die Katz" (II; Spalax) 11.The Brain-- "Morph" (Access and Amplify; Hypnotic/Cleopatra) 12.Voco Kesh-- "Ispepnaibara Pt. 1" (Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil) 13.ST 37-- "Planet Earth Mental Hospital" (Glare; Electric Jug/Helter Skelter) 14.Popol Vuh-- title-track (Hosianna Mantra; ZYX/Ohr) thanks, Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 00:19:35 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:19:35 EST Subject: BOC site abandoned? Message-ID: LOL no updates since OCTOBER 6TH???????? man... bobm From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 00:27:38 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:27:38 EST Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 11:39:58 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > As astronomers discover more and more near-Earth asteroids, they seek a > standardized way of alerting the public to the hazard they might pose. Among > programs already in place is the Spaceguard Center?s Comet and Asteroid > Information Network, which began work Jan. 1. > Maybe they should spend some of that MARS money on an asteroid defense system in space? Or will they follow current earthly accident prevention methods and wait untill the shit hits the fan before they start to do domething about it?? probably (cynic mode) From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Wed Jan 9 00:49:44 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:49:44 +1100 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: Most of this stuff is academics jockeying for funds. The old "we izz allgonnadieunlessIgetalargerresearchgrant" trick is nothing new. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In a message dated 9/01/02 11:39:58 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > As astronomers discover more and more near-Earth asteroids, they seek a > standardized way of alerting the public to the hazard they might pose. Among > programs already in place is the Spaceguard Center?s Comet and Asteroid > Information Network, which began work Jan. 1. > Maybe they should spend some of that MARS money on an asteroid defense system in space? Or will they follow current earthly accident prevention methods and wait untill the shit hits the fan before they start to do domething about it?? probably (cynic mode) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 00:52:14 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:52:14 EST Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 4:17:02 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > Most of this stuff is academics jockeying for funds. The old "we izz > Maybe Laura could get her Hawkwind concert trip funnded in a similar manner?? just need a clever trick now From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Jan 9 01:41:42 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:41:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: Very good Hawkwind day today. Amazon confirmed that the 1st album reissue and Memos and Demos have shipped :-) And In Search of Space reissue arrived :-)) And my Hawkwind passport arrived. Anyone still waiting for theirs, I sent off for it in October and it was posted (mailed) to me on 22nd December. 3 months turnaround time, but I'm in Las Vegas, so 2-3 months would be more typical. And that's with a UK tour and 2 one-off gigs thrown in the middle of it to disrupt things. I was pretty impressed that it was sent a mere 2 days after the Xmas Party - thank you Kris! A question of etiquette, for those who already have HW passports. Did you sign them and/or complete the biographical info inside and on the back? Which clone classification did you put yourself down as? Do I require energy field stabilisers? Steve From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 02:30:05 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:30:05 EST Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 5:12:05 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, youless at LVCM.COM writes: > A question of etiquette, for those who already have HW passports. Did you > sign them and/or complete the biographical info inside and on the back? > Which clone classification did you put yourself down as? Do I require > energy field stabilisers? > Hi Moonglum! I didn't write on mine at all. And too was impressed with service when i got mine thue ages ago. Unfortunatly I think I left my passport behind when I was in Preston at a friends house. She has since moved and I have lost touch with her I also have a quick question for Kris perhaps?- is it possible to get a replacement?? I am happy to pay for any costs involved and can send a new photo if necessary? and I still remember my passport number if that helps. Thanks Elric From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 9 05:56:00 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:56:00 -0600 Subject: HW: Passports In-Reply-To: <34.20bcc374.296d4b7d@aol.com> Message-ID: I need one but am afraid to ask for it..... and I need a cocoon. m From colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 9 04:58:08 2002 From: colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM (Col) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:58:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Forum Recordings Message-ID: Hi All, I'm trying to construct a complete recording of the Forum show. Anyone who has info on good recordings of this show please contact me if you think you can help. thanks, Col colin_w at hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 9 06:56:01 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:56:01 GMT Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:27:38 EST Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > Maybe they should spend some of that MARS money on an asteroid defense > syste= m=20 in space? They'd have to start by investigating asteroids and comets to figure out HOW to defend against them. Real life ain't Hollywood and even if we did build the capability to nuke 'em far out enough to have an effect, it'd almost certainly make things worse in some cases as it'd alter one big bang somewhere into thousands of medium bangs everywhere. There's also the leelte problem that any space based system that could hit an asteroid would be able to make a pretty big mess of a city after a minor orbital manouvre to point it in the other direction. It's the sort of thing that gets people worried about intentions. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 9 07:00:21 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:00:21 GMT Subject: HW: Passports In-Reply-To: Moonglum .'s message of Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:41:42 -0500 Message-ID: Moonglum . writes: > A question of etiquette, for those who already have HW passports. Did you > sign them and/or complete the biographical info inside and on the back? > Which clone classification did you put yourself down as? Replicant Nexus Seven. Mind install Cranium V21.1.3.1 SE2 upgrade > Do I require > energy field stabilisers? They're really only essential when visiting planets near Blue Giant stars or for black hole slingshot manouvres. That sparkling effect looks pretty cool in nighclubs though. FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 9 07:32:45 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:32:45 +0800 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: > > They'd have to start by investigating asteroids and comets to figure out > HOW to defend against them. Real life ain't Hollywood and even if we did > build the capability to nuke 'em far out enough to have an effect, it'd > almost certainly make things worse in some cases as it'd alter one big > bang somewhere into thousands of medium bangs everywhere. Plonking a moderate sized asteroid into the Pacific would be a bit of a bugger. Having rocks the size of buses crashing into your back yard would be a bigger bugger. What those astromoners discovered, while they were staring out into the dark was charm, strangeness and.....FARQ!!! From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Jan 9 07:36:08 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:36:08 -0500 Subject: Extra tracks on CD's Message-ID: Now I've finally educated myself after updating all general release HW albums from vinyl to disc, I'm getting some nice surprises. Track 4 from Lucky Leif (Making of Midgard?), different. A good quality Sweet Mistress of pain, Cymbaline and Hurry on from the debut album. The 7x7 on the end of ISOS, sounds like Nik and Dave decided one day to go into the studio and give the instrumental backing some serious vocal welly. Best version I think I've heard. Not sure where Born to Go is from but it's certainly a version I've heard before and Silver Machine is the standard hit one. I'm sure most of you know all this already, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Doremi this afternoon, see what surprises that brings up. Makes the working day fly by if you can get away with working with headphones on? 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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 9 08:00:08 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:00:08 GMT Subject: Extra tracks on CD's In-Reply-To: Jobson, Eddie's message of Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: Jobson, Eddie writes: > Now I've finally educated myself after updating all general release HW > albums from vinyl to disc, I'm getting some nice surprises. > > Track 4 from Lucky Leif (Making of Midgard?), different. A good quality > Sweet Mistress of pain, Cymbaline and Hurry on from the debut album. The 7x7 > on the end of ISOS, sounds like Nik and Dave decided one day to go into the > studio and give the instrumental backing some serious vocal welly. Best > version I think I've heard. Not sure where Born to Go is from but it's > certainly a version I've heard before and Silver Machine is the standard hit > one. > > I'm sure most of you know all this already, but I thought I'd share it > anyway. Did anyone ever mention the Codex to you? FoFP From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Wed Jan 9 07:52:53 2002 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:52:53 -0000 Subject: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: <200201090109.UAA16022@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of K Henderson >.... An asteroid large enough to wipe out France.......... Cool - where can I buy me one of them? Dave From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 08:10:09 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:10:09 EST Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 8:15:46 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > I need one but am afraid to ask for it..... > > and I need a cocoon. > just print the application send two pics + self addressed envelope worthy of a try From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 08:21:26 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:21:26 EST Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 10:26:16 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > They'd have to start by investigating asteroids and comets to figure out > HOW to defend against them. Real life ain't Hollywood and even if we did > build the capability to nuke 'em far out enough to have an effect, it'd > almost certainly make things worse in some cases as it'd alter one big > bang somewhere into thousands of medium bangs everywhere. > > There's also the leelte problem that any space based system that could > hit an asteroid would be able to make a pretty big mess of a city after > a minor orbital manouvre to point it in the other direction. It's the > sort of thing that gets people worried about intentions. > The sollution is simple and cheap - direct sonic blasts of Reggie Jackson's organ classics directly at said asteroids. Regardless of space being a vaccuum the sonic blasts will still be devastating to the target From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 08:23:01 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:23:01 EST Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 9/01/02 11:01:07 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: > What those astromoners discovered, > while they were staring out into the dark > was charm, strangeness and.....FARQ!!! > LoL!! From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Jan 9 08:26:07 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:26:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Passports In-Reply-To: <170.6e09eaf.296d9b31@aol.com> Message-ID: me got an empty passport at home....no picture in there...think i will have to send it to Kris again....might even do that :-) interstellar journeys seem to eat a lot of braincells black holes everywhere..... bart On 9 Jan 2002 at 8:10, Michael W Blackman wrote: Date sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:10:09 EST Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Michael W Blackman Subject: Re: HW: Passports To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > In a message dated 9/01/02 8:15:46 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > > > I need one but am afraid to ask for it..... > > > > and I need a cocoon. > > > > just print the application send two pics + self addressed envelope > > worthy of a try From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 9 08:52:01 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:52:01 -0500 Subject: BOC site abandoned? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > LOL > no updates since OCTOBER 6TH???????? man... > bobm Maybe Melne and Bolle are busy working with the band on the live DVD (I hope, I hope, I hope...) Brian obDVD> Monty Python and The Quest For the Holy Grail (Special Edition) P.S. Did anyone else see Boston playing the Star Spangled Banner at the Fiesta Bowl game Jan. 1st? Why can't BOC get gigs like that? ;-) From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 9 09:12:01 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:12:01 -0500 Subject: BOC site abandoned? Message-ID: > > Subject: BOC site abandoned? > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:19:35 EST > From: "Robert C. Mayo" > > LOL > no updates since OCTOBER 6TH???????? man... Well, I don't think there's much newsworthy in BOC-land these days, other than tour dates. John From colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 9 09:58:53 2002 From: colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM (Col) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: HW: are there any Forum Photos around ? Message-ID: Hi All, has anyone found any photos from the forum gig anywhere online yet ? thanks From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Jan 9 12:37:31 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:37:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Extra tracks on CD's Message-ID: You're not the only one, Eddie, I'm moving slowly on this as well. Cymballine is an excellent inclusion since I don't think it's available (easily) elsewhere. Just wish it was still possible to get the Griffin ASAM reissue with the extra Charisma Tracks :-( FWIW the best "extra" tracks, IMHO, are as follows: 1. Cymballine, 1st album: hard to get elsewhere. Nice version too. 2. Motorhead, WOTEOT: the hard-to-find full version with Lemmy's vocals etc 3. It's So Easy, HOTMG: b-side to the original Psychedelic Warlords single 4. You Shouldn't Do That, Space Ritual: live version first released on Roadhawks compilation. 5. Psychedelic Warlords, HOTMG: the original single edit, very nicely done 6. Brainbox Pollution, Doremi: b-side of original Psychedelic Warlords single 6. Seven By Seven, ISOS: b-side of original Silver Machine single For anybody who doesn't want/need to buy these album reissues, except to get their hands on the rare extra tracks: all of the above, apart from Cymballine, are also available on the still-obtainable Sonic Boom Killers compilation, sometimes referred to as "Singles A's and B's"... Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:36:08 -0500, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Now I've finally educated myself after updating all general release HW >albums from vinyl to disc, I'm getting some nice surprises. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 13:00:29 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:00:29 EST Subject: EMI jewel-case Remasters Message-ID: The booklets reproduce what was on the digipaks. Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 13:14:40 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:14:40 EST Subject: Hawkwind video find. Message-ID: Looking on Preston (UK) market yesterday I found this: Hawkwind 15 8 92. Full show from the concert on that date, copyright Taste productions 1992. Priced at a paltry ?4.00. Steve. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 9 13:18:58 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:18:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: B&C said... >> They'd have to start by investigating asteroids and comets to figure out >> HOW to defend against them. Real life ain't Hollywood and even if we did >> build the capability to nuke 'em far out enough to have an effect, it'd >> almost certainly make things worse in some cases as it'd alter one big >> bang somewhere into thousands of medium bangs everywhere. > >Plonking a moderate sized asteroid into the Pacific would be a bit of a >bugger. Having rocks the size of buses crashing into your back yard would be >a bigger bugger. Actually, big asteroids hitting oceans are the bigger worry. 'Cause hitting a random spot on land is very unlikely to be a heavily populated area. But even a moderately sized asteroid hitting the ocean can cause a very large tsunami that would hit many coastal cities in a radial pattern from the impact site, with residents possibly unawares. And if you get one of those wonderful 10km asteroids, ie., as big around as the ocean is deep...look out, another extinction event. Of course, that only happens every 60 million years or so, but Earth's geologic and biologic history is much more defined by 'punctuated equilibrium' than by the theory of slow, gradual change that the Earth Sciences began under. Hence, the term 'neo-catastrophism.' And now the recent concept of 'snowball Earth' (that has a fair amount of undeniable evidence), where the global ocean was thought to be completely frozen over to 1km deep (even at the equator) is another example of very sceptical scientists accepting such possibilities. And the idea that the end of the snowball Earth (~600 ma) being just before the 'Cambrian Explosion,' ie the onset of multicellular life, is intriguing as well. So, yes, you can call me a 'neo-catastrophist' but I'd hardly say I was an alarmist. But the fact is that natural continental-scale disasters can only occur from something like a bolide impact (as opposed to nuclear war, or biological outbreak - something human-induced likely). There's a limit to what area and degree a volcano, earthquake, or storm can affect, which is far below that which an impact can cause. Earthquake's have a natural limit of 8.5 or so, whereas bolide impacts are potentially 10's or 11's I think (and each unit is a factor of 10 roughly, so...). And climate change, while a nuisance, is not so necessarily catastrophic even if rapid (which can happen) - not hard to 'run' from rising sea level or encroaching glaciers or changing biozones, though expensive certainly. Humans can live and adapt to most conditions anywhere on the earth...they'd just have to move around. So of course I think Spacewatch is underfunded, and SDI overfunded. :) Low probability, massive potential. Grakkl (FAA), non-alarmist and Supertramp supporter, and unconvinced that the Chicxulub impact 65 ma (which certainly seems 'real') really killed off all the dinosaurs (and everything else), who seemed to already be declining before it happened. ObCD: Supertramp - Crime of the Century P.S. Tunguska (1908) didn't actually hit the earth, but exploded about 4 or 5 km above it I think. But then, those 'impacts' actually widen the area of destruction and are more dangerous over land. For the ocean (where the tsunamis are the real concern) I imagine that exploding fireballs are less damaging but not sure about that. Although the reason that they didn't find anything big and heavy in the center of the Tunguska 'crater' wasn't just because of it not truly impacting...there's nothing in the center of the Barringer Crater in Arizona either and that thing actually hit. The things just vaporize dontcha know. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 9 14:16:51 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:16:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snowball Earth (was The dangers of Cosmic Rock) Message-ID: Hi, I remembered reading a new development in the snowball earth theory, and after a quick search on ScientificAmerican.com this is what it came up with. Brian > New Data Kicks Up 'Snowball Earth' Fight > Dec. 5, 2001 > > In 1998, Paul F. Hoffman and Daniel P. Schrag at Harvard University put forth > a chilling description of earth's climate some 650 million years ago. Their > theory, dubbed snowball earth, held that between 750 million and 580 million > years ago, ice repeatedly enveloped our planet, coating the seas from pole to > pole and killing off early life almost completely. During the past few years, > the idea has stirred up a great deal of debate. And new data published in the > December issue of Geology only further throws snowball earth into question. > > Lead author Martin Kennedy at the University of California, Riverside, and > colleagues collected limestone and dolomite rocks from Precambrain glacial > deposits in northern Namibia, central Australia and the North American > Cordillera. When they analyzed these samples, they discovered that the ratio > of the carbon isotope 13C to 12C was higher during the glaciation than after > the ice had melted. This pattern, they say, suggests that the oceans supported > a healthy ecosystem at the time?which would be hard to do were they frozen > over. > > "If there was no photosynthesis or life in the ocean, the carbon isotope > values would be the same as the mantle," Kennedy says. "Only the presence of > life causes a difference in those values. We did not find isotopic evidence > that a global ice sheet impacted overall marine productivity. We would think > that if an ice sheet covered the oceans it would have had an impact on marine > production or photosynthesis and we find no carbon isotopic evidence for this. > The oceans just look normal."?Kristin Leutwyler From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 9 15:00:56 2002 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:00:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: Hi all - does anyone know when the video footage of Hawkestra 2000 will be released? Presumably there are the usual legal arguments going on.....so no doubt it will be gathering dust in someone's loft / vault / garage somewhere for the next 30 years (like the Space Ritual film). If so what was the point of doing it? Also - I'd like to see some posting of early 70s HW gig reviews / ramblings etc ........there must be some of you on the list! Give us all the details! R From bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM Wed Jan 9 15:52:00 2002 From: bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:52:00 -0600 Subject: Bobby Rondinelli news... Message-ID: From the excellent Detritus newsletter... -Drummer Bobby Rondinelli (Rainbow/Black Sabbath/Blue Oyster Cult) is working on a solo album, again under the Rondinelli moniker. (The 1996 release WARDANCE featured some of the last work by late vocalist Ray Gillen.) The album is due out this summer and will feature vocalist Tony Martin (Black Sabbath/The Cage) and bassist Neil Murray (Whitesnake). From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 9 16:32:05 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:32:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual Message-ID: Hi, 2 things sprung to mind from recent mails 1: WOTEOT CD was released on 2 labels, both of which contained Motorhead as a bonus. I gave away the non-Griffin version but still have the Griffin one. Are the MH versions identical on both ... hope so, or else I dropped a real clanger in giving the Dojo(?) one away. 2: Has anybody made any progress in tracking down the 70's HW footage shown on Top 10 Prog Rock last year? Didn't Dave B also say he was chasing it? To me this would take priority over any other CD / book etc etc Jez From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 17:12:49 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:12:49 EST Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/02 7:00:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Moonglum . writes: > > > A question of etiquette, for those who already have HW passports. Did you > > sign them and/or complete the biographical info inside and on the back? > > Which clone classification did you put yourself down as? > > Replicant Nexus Seven. Mind install Cranium V21.1.3.1 SE2 upgrade Me Class 1 clone. Broke mold before made . . . NO, WAIT . . . : P > > Do I require > > energy field stabilisers? > > They're really only essential when visiting planets near Blue Giant > stars or for black hole slingshot manouvres. That sparkling effect looks > pretty cool in nighclubs though. A bottle of something 80+ proof is a good field stabilizing device. Get tight enough ain't nothing gonna move ya, even during high-warp manouvres. Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 17:31:14 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:31:14 EST Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/02 5:10:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK writes: > 1: WOTEOT CD was released on 2 labels, both of which contained Motorhead as > a bonus. > I gave away the non-Griffin version but still have the Griffin one. > Are the MH versions identical on both ... hope so, or else I dropped a > real clanger in giving the Dojo(?) one away. > > Robert Godwin's book "The Illustrated Collector's Guide to Hawkwind," lists Motorhead (Version 1) as being on the CD of WotEoT. He doesn't differentiate between the Dojo and Griffin issues, so I assume they are both V 1. Joe From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 9 17:55:45 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:55:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? Message-ID: >>Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; ... >I assume that most folks here already know that: >A) the voice of one of the actors in the movie appears on a Hawkwind album > "I have come..." And since they haven't appeared yet (because they're so obvious everyone knows them?) I'll throw in some more factoids: The actor is Ian Holm. He is sampled on Choose Your Masques at the start of the track Dream Worker. The sample is from a 1981 BBC radio-play of 'The Lord of the Rings'. Ooh, nice coincidence there. In the BBC radio broadcast Holm voiced Frodo Baggins (among others?), while in the movie he plays Bilbo Baggins. Holm is credited on the LP but not on the CD re-issue. The line he speaks will be heard in the final part of the trilogy. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 9 17:59:18 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:59:18 -0500 Subject: HW: St Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track Message-ID: >>That would be Treadmill I guess, they played that in a sequence >>with Down Through The Night and Time Left at most gigs that year. >>You can find it on the Palace Springs album. > >Thanks for all the replies. *slaps forehead in disgust* I checked >virtually EVERYTHING except Palace Springs as I was looking for a studio >version and was convinced it was a Dave Brock solo track. Anyway, just >shows how well I know the GWR albums. Actually, you were sort of correct. The 'Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos' LP (out in '88) has a sequence that is a sort of proto-Treadmill (same lyrics) though the music will be somewhat altered for the full-band live performance. On the LP, a visual inspection of the grooves shows 4 tracks, though the track listing has 5 - the Treadmill bit is the second part of the 2nd (visual) track. I always considered this to be titled 'In the Office', the 3rd song on the printed tracklist, but the CD reissue tracks it as part of 'A Day', track 2 in the printed list. The CD seems to have been done slightly inaccurately though (it doesn't even have the last few tracks from the LP, as it was a two-fer with Earthed to the Ground). At some point I'll have to write up a side-by-side comparision and solicit opinions about the actual song breakdown on this record. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 9 18:01:35 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:01:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: >Finally saw "Lord of the Rings" last night. Not bad. > >OK ... How many prog bands/songs/sites were mentioned in the >movie??? Not quite the same thing, but my own favorite Tolkien-linked musical work is definitely Bo Hansson's 'Music Inspired by Lord of the Rings'. For me, this record captures the spirit of the books in a way that the movie doesn't quite manage. Not that I think it's a bad movie, far from it, I'd say it's a very good movie - I'd give it 5 out of 5 stars except that I suspect that someone who doesn't know the books might get confused or not fully understand everything that was happening so maybe only 4.5. However, as I said, it doesn't quite capture the spirit of the trilogy, so, as 'The Lord of the Rings', in absolute terms, I'd only give it 3.5 stars. But then in terms relative to what one could realistically expect from a mainstream movie release (i.e. has to get approval/financing and has to end up making money) it's back up to 4 or even 4.5 stars. I thought that none of the omissions/alterations/additions were especially annoying or gratuitous, occasionally there was something that closely coincided with my own visualization, and maybe edged my mental picture a bit closer to what was on screen (Rivendell), but for the most part what didn't mesh with my mind's eye still seemed solid even if it did not in any way alter my own imagination (most of the Moria sequence). I'm looking forward to see what they do with the Ents and the Flying Nazgul. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 9 18:03:10 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:03:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: Grakkl (FAA) wrote: >I have a CD by Nazgul, or perhaps Nazgul is one of those suspected fake >krautrock bands (in which case I have a compilation with tracks attributed >to Nazgul). Can't remember for sure. Supposedly Nazgul recorded one LP of which < 100 copies were made, sold in the mid 70s in German art galleries only. This one gets bonus points for having musicians operating under the pseudonyms Gandalf, Frodo, and Pippin. Nice cover art, music is fairly abstract ambient soundscapes. >P.S. Didn't think Lord of the Rings was anything to be excited about. >Sometimes a classic novel makes a crappy screenplay. And sometimes computer >animation just looks like ridiculous fake garbage...see Balrog (or whatever >that stupid thing was called). Have to disagree there (see my other post). The Balrog did not coincide much with the picture I have in my own imagination, but I thought it was a decent enough rendition and effective too. I especially liked the director's way of first showing us the chronicler's depiction of the beast (in Saruman's book) before presenting the 'actual' monster. Stephan From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 9 18:07:05 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:07:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20020109225545.006d3bbc@pop.pipeline.com>; from stemfors@PIPELINE.COM on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:55:45PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Stephan Forstner wrote: > >>Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; ... > >I assume that most folks here already know that: > >A) the voice of one of the actors in the movie appears on a Hawkwind album > > "I have come..." "... to melt the Ring, not to praise it." Oops, not quite. :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 9 18:13:37 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:13:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: >From: Roger Elmer >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:00:56 -0000 > > >Also - I'd like to see some posting of early 70s HW gig reviews / ramblings >etc ........there must be some of you >on the list! Give us all the details! > >R Well you asked for it here's a reveiw fom International Times (IT)155 dated may/june 73 for Space Ritual by Chris Rowley SPACE OUT Hawkwind ?Space Ritual? (double album recorded live at Liverpool Stadium and Brixton Sundown ? UA) This is the definitive Hawkwind LP and very definitely their best. Being live it has all the right qualities to bring back memories of twitching in the front row to the master beat of the crew, orgone powered and all, as they drive briskly along the space lanes. In fact this album gives ya nearly 88 minutes of hi-powered, interstellar stuff, and by Klonos? silver whiskers, that should be enough for any young mortal. With a retail price of only ?3.10 it appears that they?ve set it up carefully taking into account the youth - fullness of many of the Hawk people and the limited scope of their budgets. I can visualise many interesting scenes in homes all over the land as mothers and fathers clutch each other in fear and anguish while somewhere in the house Junior and Sis are getting off on another 90 minute self drive star trek throughout the lesser Magellanic cloud. ?..and here folks we have Doradus Su, largest known star, burning brighter and hotter than anything else known to man across the starry firmament like a million, million suns! See just put your hand out that porthole and feel the hard gamma as it rips through your tissues. With a brilliance a million times greater than that of Sol, it?s colour an indescribable blue white, ultra violet, Doradus Su burns ever more furiously, consuming during it?s incredibly brief and violent stellar life as much material as an entire stellar cluster. Could this be a super nova in the making?. The album sleeve, like everything else about this package, has all the extras of a well dressed burger, unfolding side by side into this vast panoramic B. Bubbles spectacular that will turn your bedroom into mission control module 21m with just 4 thumbtacks and some pressure. Then you can roll on the floor in Mandrax lust and groove happily while Brock, Dikmik, Del, Simon, Nik and the very strange Bob Calvert (Musicnauts it says on the cover) turn the screw and push your buttons. The material here is all played with the characteristic fervour of a good live Hawkwind set and it has items from their past, including ?Lord of Light?, ?Down Through the Night? and ?Brainstorm? as standouts from their last album ?DoReMiFaSoLiDo?. Michael Moorcock that weird offspring of Lord Arioch of Chaos and Miss Jerimima Cornelius, has penned a couple of heavies for the album: ?Sonic Attack?, which is exactly that, and ?The Black Corridor?, but personally I find ?Orgone Accumulator? as good as anything else. It?s only with Hawkwind that you get the feeling that as the electronics cut in, the ship is going Free and then while the Inertia Less Free Field is generating the guitar begins to rev and the power builds, squaring on cubes into the mathematical interstices of infinity and then with a sudden rush of sax and drums and synthesizer amid the snarl of a thousand, driving propulsor units you boost out of the System at three and a half times the speed of light and with the temperature rising. Life on Mars will never be so exciting and space and time are so absolute, so immense, so uuhh? far out, that one needs something pretty strong to get it off your mind. My only problem with a double Hawkwind album is that after about 60 minutes or so the Master of the Universe looks like Mr. O?Brien and his massive digits keep turning that knob Up UP and you begin to wish that he had at least six fingers so that you would at least have a variety of things to say to him. I note that they?ve dedicated this album to John the Bog and a better dedication I couldn?t think of, long may his shades glow. The same issue ran stories about the drug squad raiding Lord Lampton's house and the staff of Shelter going on strike against'The dictotorial polices of their new director. Also an advertisment to see The Edgar Broughton Band at the Rainbow tickets ?1, 75p, 50p anyone attend? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 9 18:08:04 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:08:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: SF says sorrowfully... :) >Grakkl (FAA) wrote: >>I have a CD by Nazgul, or perhaps Nazgul is one of those suspected fake >>krautrock bands (in which case I have a compilation with tracks attributed >>to Nazgul). Can't remember for sure. > >Supposedly Nazgul recorded one LP of which < 100 copies were made, sold in >the mid 70s in German art galleries only. Yeah, I think this was the story supplied about this band, but I think that it's been shown to be false, and that the recordings attributed to this band were really done by British musicians in the early 90s in the krautrock style. Maybe Nazgul isn't the right name, but there are several bands that were apparently made up to cash in on the retro-kraut boon. >>P.S. Didn't think Lord of the Rings was anything to be excited about. >>Sometimes a classic novel makes a crappy screenplay. And sometimes computer >>animation just looks like ridiculous fake garbage...see Balrog (or whatever >>that stupid thing was called). > >Have to disagree there (see my other post). The Balrog did not coincide much >with the picture I have in my own imagination, but I thought it was a decent >enough rendition and effective too. Ah, I think I was confused on the name...it was the 'troll' thingy (just before) that I thought was awful...if the Balrog was the 'firebeasty' thing, that scene was alright. And Ian Holm was the only really good acting in the thing, I thought. Interesting that he's the Dreamworker voice! Great trivia. Grakkl (FAA), who just picked up Tool's (first?) CD 'Undertow' for $3 and found it to be rather good as well. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 9 18:28:47 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:28:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories In-Reply-To: ; from richjan60@HOTMAIL.COM on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:13:37PM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:13:37PM +0000, Richard Graham wrote: > Well you asked for it here's a reveiw fom International Times (IT)155 dated > may/june 73 for Space Ritual by Chris Rowley > > > > SPACE OUT > > Hawkwind ?Space Ritual? > (double album recorded live at Liverpool Stadium and Brixton Sundown ? UA) > This is the definitive Hawkwind LP and very definitely their best. And 29 years on, still right up there. Not sure whether that's good or bad... > [review that pretty much sums up the HW experience, then and now] Nice to see that, once upon a time, something vaguely resembling the Music Press was on *our* side! > I note that they?ve dedicated this album to John the Bog and a better > dedication I couldn?t think of, long may his shades glow. Who'zzat? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 9 18:18:16 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:18:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: Eric S. noted... >> I note that they've dedicated this album to John the Bog and a better >> dedication I couldn't think of, long may his shades glow. > >Who'zzat? Don't know, but isn't he memorialized in Days of the Underground? Grakkl (FAA) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 9 20:24:27 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:24:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: <200201091837.NAA28801@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: master Keith: >P.S. Tunguska (1908) didn't actually hit the earth, but exploded about 4 or >5 km above it I think. But then, those 'impacts' actually widen the area of >destruction and are more dangerous over land. For the ocean (where the >tsunamis are the real concern) I imagine that exploding fireballs are less >damaging but not sure about that. Although the reason that they didn't find >anything big and heavy in the center of the Tunguska 'crater' wasn't just >because of it not truly impacting...there's nothing in the center of the >Barringer Crater in Arizona either and that thing actually hit. The things >just vaporize dontcha know. ahh yes, but this one left parts (evidence of threaded screw-type-thing, and strange composition to the fragments, etc.)(but you don't see that on the usual shows trying to obsure our brains) thus the question: 1)troubled ship STEERED into safe region? (it made the turns) (I think Comet was the next best plausible explan, if we have to ignore truth) (just "acting up" sorry)(the shows are hard at work on the Cometary "shove", I think) 2) exploded party POD leaves pieces? don't believe the magazines and television THEY ARE HERE HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SCIENTISTS HATE THE FACT THAT ALIENS SOMETIMES SWALLOW WHOLE AIRPLANES AND PULL NASTY TRICKS ON HUMANITY LIKE CAUSING DEATH TO HUMANS (or ultrasonic games of "hotseat" in the cockpit, not to mention frequent electronic disturbances....flying in commercial airlines IS NOT as safe as they act like it is....you could actually end up on another world with only your brain hooked up to a mundane bio-machine) sidenote- here in USA, it is MOST LIKELY, that some commercial airliners were the unfortunate victims of ALIEN ATTACK in retaliation for our efforts to try to "down" one of theirs...it seems as though they occasionally (and unfortunately) failed to differentiate between Civilian and Military airliners around the 1950's...(or did they?) VISITERS FROM SPACE ARE ACTUALLY A VERY VERY VERY COMMON OCCURENCE people hate that they are not here to talk (to anybody known, anyway, or that we are told of) and scientists, like airline pilots, "work around the problem" (hush hush) The "Levelland Egg" was here- and it's enough From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 9 20:32:10 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:32:10 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories In-Reply-To: <004401c19948$5c52a660$234d883e@roger> Message-ID: Oh god yes please let us have that color Space Ritual footage m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 9 20:50:53 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:50:53 -0600 Subject: I hope (Dave and Kris) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: will communicate in near future notice that they have been quite silent on-list? bring them back, bring them back m From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jan 9 21:30:34 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:30:34 EST Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/02 2:32:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > > 1: WOTEOT CD was released on 2 labels, both of which contained Motorhead > as > > a bonus. > > I gave away the non-Griffin version but still have the Griffin one. > > Are the MH versions identical on both ... hope so, or else I dropped > a > > real clanger in giving the Dojo(?) one away. > > > > > > Robert Godwin's book "The Illustrated Collector's Guide to Hawkwind," lists > Motorhead (Version 1) as being on the CD of WotEoT. He doesn't > differentiate > between the Dojo and Griffin issues, so I assume they are both V 1. > > Joe > I have the Dojo and it has the orig. "Motorhead", though I believe it's lifted off vinyl while the Griffin one may be legit. Chuck From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Jan 10 00:02:13 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:02:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock Message-ID: More likely a planet Grand Prix. The driver saw earth and micalculated his/her/its apex after after hitting a field of cosmic debris that unsettled the craft under brakes. As we all know getting the front end down when it lifts can provoke the rearend if over corrected. It appears he/she/it /they got wildly sideways and their trailbraking skills were not good enough causing the front to clip the apex (earth) causing one very large shunt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock > master Keith: > >P.S. Tunguska (1908) didn't actually hit the earth, but exploded about 4 or > >5 km above it I think. But then, those 'impacts' actually widen the area of > >destruction and are more dangerous over land. For the ocean (where the > >tsunamis are the real concern) I imagine that exploding fireballs are less > >damaging but not sure about that. Although the reason that they didn't find > >anything big and heavy in the center of the Tunguska 'crater' wasn't just > >because of it not truly impacting...there's nothing in the center of the > >Barringer Crater in Arizona either and that thing actually hit. The things > >just vaporize dontcha know. > > ahh yes, but this one left parts (evidence of threaded screw-type-thing, > and strange composition to the fragments, etc.)(but you don't see that on > the usual shows trying to obsure our brains) > > thus the question: > > 1)troubled ship STEERED into safe region? (it made the turns) (I think > Comet was the next best plausible explan, if we have to ignore truth) (just > "acting up" sorry)(the shows are hard at work on the Cometary "shove", I > think) > > 2) exploded party POD leaves pieces? > > don't believe the magazines and television > > THEY ARE HERE > > HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > SCIENTISTS HATE THE FACT THAT ALIENS SOMETIMES SWALLOW WHOLE AIRPLANES AND > PULL NASTY TRICKS ON HUMANITY LIKE CAUSING DEATH TO HUMANS (or ultrasonic > games of "hotseat" in the cockpit, not to mention frequent electronic > disturbances....flying in commercial airlines IS NOT as safe as they act > like it is....you could actually end up on another world with only your > brain hooked up to a mundane bio-machine) sidenote- here in USA, it is > MOST LIKELY, that some commercial airliners were the unfortunate victims of > ALIEN ATTACK in retaliation for our efforts to try to "down" one of > theirs...it seems as though they occasionally (and unfortunately) failed to > differentiate between Civilian and Military airliners around the > 1950's...(or did they?) > > VISITERS FROM SPACE ARE ACTUALLY A VERY VERY VERY COMMON OCCURENCE > > people hate that they are not here to talk (to anybody known, anyway, or > that we are told of) and scientists, like airline pilots, "work around the > problem" (hush hush) > > The "Levelland Egg" was here- and it's enough > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 10 01:59:11 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:59:11 EST Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: In a message dated 10/01/02 6:32:26 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > Hi all - does anyone know when the video footage of Hawkestra 2000 will be > released? > Presumably there are the usual legal arguments going on.....so no doubt it > will be > gathering dust in someone's loft / vault / garage somewhere for the next 30 > years (like the Space Ritual > film). If so what was the point of doing it? > Ooooooooh - would I luve to see that one :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 10 02:21:31 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:21:31 EST Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: In a message dated 10/01/02 10:52:14 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Oh god yes please let us have that color Space Ritual footage > > Better be a good little satan this year or it may be mere hot coals in yo stocking (( niche!!! )) teehee From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Jan 10 03:53:12 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:53:12 -0500 Subject: Extra tracks on CD's Message-ID: I didn't realise the 7x7 was the Silver machine B side version. Just goes to show how long it is since I listened to that on vinyl! Space Ritual today. -----Original Message----- From: Moonglum . To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 09/01/02 12:37 Subject: HW: Re: Extra tracks on CD's You're not the only one, Eddie, I'm moving slowly on this as well. Cymballine is an excellent inclusion since I don't think it's available (easily) elsewhere. Just wish it was still possible to get the Griffin ASAM reissue with the extra Charisma Tracks :-( FWIW the best "extra" tracks, IMHO, are as follows: 1. Cymballine, 1st album: hard to get elsewhere. Nice version too. 2. Motorhead, WOTEOT: the hard-to-find full version with Lemmy's vocals etc 3. It's So Easy, HOTMG: b-side to the original Psychedelic Warlords single 4. You Shouldn't Do That, Space Ritual: live version first released on Roadhawks compilation. 5. Psychedelic Warlords, HOTMG: the original single edit, very nicely done 6. Brainbox Pollution, Doremi: b-side of original Psychedelic Warlords single 6. Seven By Seven, ISOS: b-side of original Silver Machine single For anybody who doesn't want/need to buy these album reissues, except to get their hands on the rare extra tracks: all of the above, apart from Cymballine, are also available on the still-obtainable Sonic Boom Killers compilation, sometimes referred to as "Singles A's and B's"... Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:36:08 -0500, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Now I've finally educated myself after updating all general release HW >albums from vinyl to disc, I'm getting some nice surprises. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Jan 10 04:07:27 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:07:27 -0500 Subject: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: Me too. If anyone's got any stories about seeing the band onstage with the likes of Stacia etc or even Calvert as I never saw him in a normal line up only as a guest >1978. Is there anyone out there or does anyone know anyone who went to the All Saints Hall or Isle of Wight apart from Tim Blake on the door! -----Original Message----- From: Roger Elmer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 09/01/02 15:00 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Hi all - does anyone know when the video footage of Hawkestra 2000 will be released? Presumably there are the usual legal arguments going on.....so no doubt it will be gathering dust in someone's loft / vault / garage somewhere for the next 30 years (like the Space Ritual film). If so what was the point of doing it? Also - I'd like to see some posting of early 70s HW gig reviews / ramblings etc ........there must be some of you on the list! Give us all the details! R Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu Jan 10 07:23:48 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:23:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: K Henderson commented:- > >Eric S. noted... > >> I note that they've dedicated this album to John the Bog and a better >> dedication I couldn't think of, long may his shades glow. >> >>Who'zzat? > >Don't know, but isn't he memorialized in Days of the Underground? > Yes, and all is revealed in Mick Farren's (excellent) memoir "Give The Anarchist A Cigarette" - and for those who were wondering a while back about the "Mandelkau" composing credit, you find out who he was/is too. ChrisW From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 10 07:38:56 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:38:56 GMT Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: mike c's message of Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:24:27 -0600 Message-ID: [Tunguska...] > SCIENTISTS HATE THE FACT THAT ALIENS SOMETIMES SWALLOW WHOLE AIRPLANES AND > PULL NASTY TRICKS ON HUMANITY LIKE CAUSING DEATH TO HUMANS (or ultrasonic > games of "hotseat" in the cockpit, not to mention frequent electronic > disturbances....flying in commercial airlines IS NOT as safe as they act > like it is....you could actually end up on another world with only your > brain hooked up to a mundane bio-machine) sidenote- here in USA, it is > MOST LIKELY, that some commercial airliners were the unfortunate victims of > ALIEN ATTACK in retaliation for our efforts to try to "down" one of > theirs...it seems as though they occasionally (and unfortunately) failed to > differentiate between Civilian and Military airliners around the > 1950's...(or did they?) > > VISITERS FROM SPACE ARE ACTUALLY A VERY VERY VERY COMMON OCCURENCE Like, cut down on the dosage dude! FoFP From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jan 10 09:32:17 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:32:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: Stephan Forstner wrote: > Grakkl (FAA) wrote: > >I have a CD by Nazgul, or perhaps Nazgul is one of those suspected fake > >krautrock bands (in which case I have a compilation with tracks attributed > >to Nazgul). Can't remember for sure. > > Supposedly Nazgul recorded one LP of which < 100 copies were made, sold in > the mid 70s in German art galleries only. This one gets bonus points for > having musicians operating under the pseudonyms Gandalf, Frodo, and Pippin. > Nice cover art, music is fairly abstract ambient soundscapes. Also, The Nazgul are the band in G.R.R. Martin's novel _Armageddon Rag_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 10 11:49:50 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:48:49 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >http://www.anyware.co.uk/japs/ >www.cardiacs.com >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/30/cardiacs.html OK, well with a little help from Google I present a few more Cardiac-tastic links and having trawled through this little lot I realise I must renew my acquaintance with this band, and insist that you all do likewise. Here we go: Biographies (bit out of date): http://www.geocities.com/mandiapple/Cardiacsintro.html http://www.borderlinebooks.com/80s90s/c0003.html Album reviews: http://members.tripod.com/~keverteller/cardiacs.html (very thorough, reviews of all the major releases) http://www.lamcat.demon.co.uk/reviews/other/cardiacs.html http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/reviewsc.htm And finally: http://www.gre.ac.uk/~ba024/cardiacs_ssport_mainpage.html This last has scans of the infamous 1988 Sunday Sport (stupid British tabloid "newspaper") article in which Tim and Sara Smith successfully convinced some muck-raking journo that they were siblings having an incestuous relationship. Utterly hilarious, shame the scans aren't better quality, but a must-see nonetheless. Enjoy! NM From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 10 15:00:40 2002 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:00:40 -0000 Subject: HW: St Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20020109225918.006de3bc@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Stephan. That would probably explain it as I never got on with Palace Springs. Unfortunately, my LP collection is gathering dust as I don't have a phono preamp. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Stephan Forstner > Actually, you were sort of correct. The 'Dave Brock and the > Agents of Chaos' > LP (out in '88) has a sequence that is a sort of proto-Treadmill (same > lyrics) though the music will be somewhat altered for the full-band live > performance. > Stephan From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 10 15:26:13 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:26:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: has anyone heard about Luggi from Ramsgate he used to drum with the Starfighters and was a friend of Calverts I lost touch with him in the early 80's when he was having a hard time in Colchester/ Chelmsford _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 10 15:38:46 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:38:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? Message-ID: The Lord of the Rings radio presentation is being re-run on Radio 2 (I think or maybe 4?) starting on Saturday. Just for info. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Forstner To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? > >>Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; ... > >I assume that most folks here already know that: > >A) the voice of one of the actors in the movie appears on a Hawkwind album > > "I have come..." > > And since they haven't appeared yet (because they're so obvious everyone > knows them?) I'll throw in some more factoids: > The actor is Ian Holm. > He is sampled on Choose Your Masques at the start of the track Dream Worker. > The sample is from a 1981 BBC radio-play of 'The Lord of the Rings'. Ooh, > nice coincidence there. > In the BBC radio broadcast Holm voiced Frodo Baggins (among others?), while > in the movie he plays Bilbo Baggins. > Holm is credited on the LP but not on the CD re-issue. > The line he speaks will be heard in the final part of the trilogy. > > Stephan > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 10 17:13:02 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:13:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: OFF: SP on Napster Message-ID: from: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/10/arts/music/10CONF.html?homepageinsidebox (interesting article and worth checking out, especially for quotes from Ian MacKaye of Fugazi and rep. John Conyers, D-MI) >Sandy Pearlman, a lyricist for Blue Oyster Cult who is the vice >president for media development of Multicast Technology, envisioned >having all recorded music available on demand through wireless >connections. He called unlicensed file-sharing a disaster but >suggested that an "invisible tax" on Internet connections, paid >through service providers, could be channeled to musicians and >copyright owners. > >"It really is a pretty trivial accounting problem," he said. "But >decisions would have to be made at the highest levels to stop >fighting shadows and deal with the hand we've been dealt." -Doug jasret at mindspring.com P.S. Hi all! Sorry I haven't had anything to say recently ... From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 10 18:12:04 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:12:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs Message-ID: Oh well if you *insist*.... I'm playing those MP3's now, and they're definitely worth a listen. 1st track, "Is This The Life" has almost a Robert Smith (The Cure) vocal, with the rest of the band sounding vaguely like the Psychedelic Furs: but playing a decent song. Imagine the Cure and the Furs stripped of their naffness. (I realise this is difficult...) 2nd, 3rd and 4th tracks, Angleworm Angel, Burn Your House Brown and Goodbye Grace: immediately reminds me of Punishment of Luxury. Fast, choppy new- wave influences... maybe Crash Test Dummies on amphetamines for a more contemporary reference... There's enough similarity of approach between these 3 songs to make me think they must be representative of the Cardiacs, and Is This The Life must be an atypical example.... Good call, Nick! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:48:49 +0000, Nick Medford >wrote: > >>http://www.anyware.co.uk/japs/ > >>www.cardiacs.com > >>http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/30/cardiacs.html > >OK, well with a little help from Google I present a few more Cardiac-tastic >links and having trawled through this little lot I realise I must renew my >acquaintance with this band, and insist that you all do likewise... From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 10 18:27:31 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:27:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs Message-ID: ...and let me add Julian Cope and Steve Marriott to the list of vocal influences... From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Jan 10 18:39:07 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:39:07 +0000 Subject: HW: St Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20:00 10/01/02, Mark wrote: > Unfortunately, my LP collection is gathering dust as >I don't have a phono preamp. > >Mark No excuse... get a Projekct - excellent quality and dead cheap, though the output is a little low... ChrisW (Vinyl Crusader) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Jan 10 18:40:10 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? In-Reply-To: <005201c19a16$cddf3540$134d87d9@jds> Message-ID: At 20:38 10/01/02, you wrote: >The Lord of the Rings radio presentation is being re-run on Radio 2 (I >think or maybe 4?) starting on Saturday. Just for info. >jill Radio 4, Saturdays, about 14:30 - started last weekend ChrisW (also, Radio4 crusader) From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 10 18:55:55 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:55:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cardiacs Message-ID: ...and Genesis (weird proggy time signature changes) and Gong (brass madness)... From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 10 19:51:57 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:51:57 EST Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/02 9:32:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: > I have the Dojo and it has the orig. "Motorhead", though I believe it's > lifted off vinyl while the Griffin one may be legit. > > Dunno. My CD is the Griffin, and "Motorhead" has pops on it. BTW, would you (or anyone else) happen to know which HW version of MH is on Motorhead's 25th Anniversary CD? It lists as "performed by Hawkwind," but doesn't say which version. Joe From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 05:03:34 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:03:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: The dangers of Cosmic Rock In-Reply-To: <200201101238.MAA10549@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Like, cut down on the dosage dude! > >FoFP LOL! I'd like to have done that better- (note I did pre-explain that I was in maniac mode) lol at least you spelled dude the less-offensive way,,,, m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 05:34:06 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:34:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I avoided this question as I don't totally have the answer- but I will do my best here- it is my OPINION, that there are indeed SLIGHT (sorry for yelling Bill) differences to the original mixes with Simon House on the track Motorhead- whether or not it is due to resin in the (my) synapses or just record label pressing inconsistencies, I am not certain at present..... I can say this- most of you know that the Dojo Warrior is taken from vinyl, while the Griffin is taken from Atco (USA) master tapes..... once again, it is my belief that there is a slight difference to the overall "soundwave" between the 2 (whole albums, probably single as well), and as such both are to be desired for the HW afficianado.....BUT!!! little doubt that the Griffin issue is the MOST desireable of the 2..... >In a message dated 1/9/02 2:32:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, >JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: >> > 1: WOTEOT CD was released on 2 labels, both of which contained Motorhead >> as >> > a bonus. >> > I gave away the non-Griffin version but still have the Griffin one. >> > Are the MH versions identical on both ... hope so, or else I dropped >> a >> > real clanger in giving the Dojo(?) one away. >> > >> > >> >> Robert Godwin's book "The Illustrated Collector's Guide to Hawkwind," lists >> Motorhead (Version 1) as being on the CD of WotEoT. He doesn't >> differentiate >> between the Dojo and Griffin issues, so I assume they are both V 1. >> >> Joe >> > >I have the Dojo and it has the orig. "Motorhead", though I believe it's >lifted off vinyl while the Griffin one may be legit. > >Chuck From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 06:05:52 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:05:52 -0600 Subject: Re (OFF): HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Better be a good little satan this year or it may be mere hot coals in yo >stocking >(( niche!!! )) >teehee nothing not even a meal (oh yeah, I did eat from a cafeteria) just what I deserved I'm getting tired of no fun at all on the holidays, and I have appealed to God to see if I can get a hardship liscense out of Hell..... in fact..not much fun in life at all anymore beware the demons..they are REAL m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 04:59:59 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:59:59 EST Subject: Re (OFF): HW: Hawkestra footage / 70s memories Message-ID: In a message dated 11/01/02 8:25:54 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > nothing > not even a meal (oh yeah, I did eat from a cafeteria) > just what I deserved > > I'm getting tired of no fun at all on the holidays, and I have appealed to > God to see if I can get a hardship liscense out of Hell..... > > in fact..not much fun in life at all anymore > > beware the demons..they are REAL > Theres a really REALLY really evil one on the loose at the moment... (demon) Names - BRUCE From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 08:46:40 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:46:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Motorhead Ritual In-Reply-To: <91.165f326e.296f912d@aol.com> Message-ID: >Dunno. My CD is the Griffin, and "Motorhead" has pops on it. Oh that's right,,,,,I bet the UK Dojo CD version is from a UK 45 single, and I bet the Griffin one is from the USA version.... too bad about the pops I could have supplied a smooth one I wonder if Godwin's 45 was used on the Griffin- bet it was,., m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 10:26:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:18 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: If it aint with Dave Brock - it just aint Hawkwind no if and or but...... and - I am outraged to learn that there may have been some debate to the contrary C'mon all you like minded Hawkwind fans - DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Jan 11 10:37:03 2002 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:37:03 +0100 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In-Reply-To: <15d.72ab385.29705e1a@aol.com> Message-ID: > > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! huh? who's he? ahhh well, who cares ;-) "to much dave will kill you" --BArt From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 11 10:44:15 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:44:15 -0500 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: Here is my two cents for what it is worth. I have the utmost respect for Captain Brock, but one cannot deny that Robert Calvert,Nik Turner,Lemmy and so on and so on were also a large part of the Hawkwind sound. Perhaps I am naive, but I wish that Brock and Nik would just get together already and put aside whatever differences they have. I will never choose sides, so I am sorry to disappoint you.I enjoy Hawkwind as much as I enjoy ICU as much as I enjoy Nik Turner. Captain Mikel Anubis Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra -----Original Message----- From: Bart Brugmans [mailto:bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:37 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! huh? who's he? ahhh well, who cares ;-) "to much dave will kill you" --BArt From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Fri Jan 11 11:23:09 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:23:09 +1100 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: True. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > If it aint with Dave Brock - it just aint Hawkwind > > no if and or but...... > > and - I am outraged to learn that there may have been some debate to the > contrary > > C'mon all you like minded Hawkwind fans - > > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 15:01:03 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:01:03 -0600 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In-Reply-To: <15d.72ab385.29705e1a@aol.com> Message-ID: >If it aint with Dave Brock - it just aint Hawkwind > >no if and or but...... > >and - I am outraged to learn that there may have been some debate to the >contrary > >C'mon all you like minded Hawkwind fans - > >DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! >DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! >DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! >DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! DAVE!!!! DAVE!!!!! DAVE!!!!!! What Motorhead song is it that goes "you mustn't shout it out loud, don't create an scene, something something it only feeds disease",,,,haha that was a big big poopie, but a good one!!! who sweeps the floor on BOC-L?? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 14:04:52 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:04:52 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 5:20:43 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > who sweeps the floor on BOC-L?? not me From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Jan 11 15:33:37 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:33:37 -0600 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In-Reply-To: <118.ac3a0da.29709154@aol.com> Message-ID: >In a message dated 12/01/02 5:20:43 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, >deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > >> who sweeps the floor on BOC-L?? > >not me hi Michael... just kick up some grass over it like I do and look happy while you do it- you know if I can get the "P" word up it's going on the bandwidth... the original Outer Limits has shown up on the tube guess it beckons ....hasn't been on here for quite a while.... thanks for your participation in the "Bring Dave and Kris back on BOC-L" Mad Professors experiment m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 14:30:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:30:50 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 5:53:27 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > guess it beckons ....hasn't been on here for quite a while.... > > thanks for your participation in the "Bring Dave and Kris back on BOC-L" > Mad Professors experiment > It was great when we had Dave & Kris participating - mad it all seem worthwhile Now the church is desolate and in need of incense to make it wholsome once more From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 11 14:33:23 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:33:23 -0500 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: A question for all of you since I am a newbie to this discussion list....Is there anyone from New Jersey on here? Captain Mikel Anubis -----Original Message----- From: Michael W Blackman [mailto:Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:31 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In a message dated 12/01/02 5:53:27 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > guess it beckons ....hasn't been on here for quite a while.... > > thanks for your participation in the "Bring Dave and Kris back on BOC-L" > Mad Professors experiment > It was great when we had Dave & Kris participating - mad it all seem worthwhile Now the church is desolate and in need of incense to make it wholsome once more From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 11 15:29:10 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:29:10 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Motorhead on TV tonight Message-ID: Short notice, I know, but Motorhead are featured on tonight's Rock Legends on ITV (Central region, at least) at 10.50. Its presented by Noddy Holder (!). Nick From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:24:42 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:24:42 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/02 10:54:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Here is my two cents for what it is worth. I have the utmost respect for > Captain Brock, but one cannot deny that Robert Calvert,Nik Turner,Lemmy and > so on and so on were also a large part of the Hawkwind sound. Perhaps I am > naive, but I wish that Brock and Nik would just get together already and put > aside whatever differences they have. I will never choose sides, so I am > sorry to disappoint you.I enjoy Hawkwind as much as I enjoy ICU as much as I > enjoy Nik Turner. > > Right on, bro! My feelings exactly! 2? dept: With earlier posts about the ex-Hawkers being 'less talented' (or words to that effect), what does that say about Dave Brock, who invited them to play in HIS band? (OOOH, THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!) Dave wouldn't let no-talent musicians in his band, would he? Ducking to avoid deadly rebuttals Joe From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 11 17:36:09 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:36:09 -0500 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts about Hawk members having less talent.....I am going to risk it by making this statement..... The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the top thats creates the Hawk sound. To me Space Rock is more about feeling than technical knowledge. I always admired Hawkwind more than any other "Progressive" bands for that fact....that they were Rock and Roll! That is my problem with most "Progressive" music....If I want to listen to someone play Scales and Arpeggios and call it music, I could just go to rehearsal....Hawkwind played it like they meant it and still do! Captain Mikel Anubis -----Original Message----- From: Joe Loehr [mailto:JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In a message dated 1/11/02 10:54:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Here is my two cents for what it is worth. I have the utmost respect for > Captain Brock, but one cannot deny that Robert Calvert,Nik Turner,Lemmy and > so on and so on were also a large part of the Hawkwind sound. Perhaps I am > naive, but I wish that Brock and Nik would just get together already and put > aside whatever differences they have. I will never choose sides, so I am > sorry to disappoint you.I enjoy Hawkwind as much as I enjoy ICU as much as I > enjoy Nik Turner. > > Right on, bro! My feelings exactly! 2? dept: With earlier posts about the ex-Hawkers being 'less talented' (or words to that effect), what does that say about Dave Brock, who invited them to play in HIS band? (OOOH, THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!) Dave wouldn't let no-talent musicians in his band, would he? Ducking to avoid deadly rebuttals Joe From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Jan 11 17:33:31 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:33:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemster TV prog Message-ID: Hi, Probably too late ...... but Central TV has a 30 min prog on Mr Ian Fraser Kilmister starting at 10:50 tonight ie 10 mins time. Video ready! Jez From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:36:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:36:58 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 8:56:17 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > Right on, bro! My feelings exactly! > > 2? dept: With earlier posts about the ex-Hawkers being 'less talented' (or > words to that effect), what does that say about Dave Brock, who invited > them > to play in HIS band? (OOOH, THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!) > > Dave wouldn't let no-talent musicians in his band, would he? > > Ducking to avoid deadly rebuttals > I don't think anyone is uttering such blasphemies - if they do then I say burn em at the stake Just saying if it aint with Dave in it - it aint Hawkwind From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:44:39 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:44:39 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/02 5:37:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts > about Hawk members having less talent..... Mainly they come when Nik and other ex-Hawks tour, sometimes confusingly billed as 'Hawkwind' > > The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket > science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the > top thats creates the Hawk sound. Exactly! Which is why Mr. Brock asked them to join in the first place, yes? Each one adding their own special bit to the mix. Joe From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 11 17:48:20 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:48:20 -0500 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: Everyone needs to realize that it is usually the clubs that bill them as Hawkwind in an attempt to sell more tickets. Why so many Hawk fans feel the need to come down on Uncle Nik is beyond me....the man is a great performer and has incredible stage presence! Captain Mikel Anubis -----Original Message----- From: Joe Loehr [mailto:JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:45 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In a message dated 1/11/02 5:37:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts > about Hawk members having less talent..... Mainly they come when Nik and other ex-Hawks tour, sometimes confusingly billed as 'Hawkwind' > > The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket > science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the > top thats creates the Hawk sound. Exactly! Which is why Mr. Brock asked them to join in the first place, yes? Each one adding their own special bit to the mix. Joe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:49:01 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:49:01 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 9:15:55 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > Exactly! Which is why Mr. Brock asked them to join in the first place, yes? > Each one adding their own special bit to the mix. > once again (personally) not denying collective talent but saying - if it aint got Dave Brock - it aint Hawkwind From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:49:39 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:49:39 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 9:18:50 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Everyone needs to realize that it is usually the clubs that bill them as > Hawkwind in an attempt to sell more tickets. Why so many Hawk fans feel the > need to come down on Uncle Nik is beyond me....the man is a great performer > and has incredible stage presence! > > Captain Mikel Anubis > Who is coming down on Uncle Nik??? From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 11 17:54:08 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:54:08 -0500 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: I have seen my share of the Nik vs Brock arguments......... -----Original Message----- From: Michael W Blackman [mailto:Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In a message dated 12/01/02 9:18:50 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Everyone needs to realize that it is usually the clubs that bill them as > Hawkwind in an attempt to sell more tickets. Why so many Hawk fans feel the > need to come down on Uncle Nik is beyond me....the man is a great performer > and has incredible stage presence! > > Captain Mikel Anubis > Who is coming down on Uncle Nik??? From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 17:54:42 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:54:42 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/02 5:38:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > I don't think anyone is uttering such blasphemies - if they do then I say > burn em at the stake > Oh, some have. I won't name names (actually, I don't remember who said it) > Just saying if it aint with Dave in it - it aint Hawkwind > Oh, yes, I agree completely. Dave's is the vision and the guiding force behind Hawkwind. It just irks me something fierce when all, or, at least some, of the ex-Hawks are dismissed as lacking talent. Hawkwind is Dave, but it is/was also Richard, Ali, Simon(s), Harvey, Jerry,Robert(RIP), Lemmy, Del, DikMik,Danny, Terry, Dave Anderson, John Harrison, Adrian, Paul and everyone else (too many names!) Ya can have yer favorite lineup, but no matter how ya slice it, it's still Hawkwind! Joe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 18:02:15 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:02:15 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 9:24:31 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > I have seen my share of the Nik vs Brock arguments......... I must have missed them From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 11 18:04:21 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:04:21 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 9:26:20 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > It just irks me something fierce when all, or, at least some, of the ex-Hawks > are dismissed as lacking talent. > for anyone to think and or believe such a thing is just ludicrous > Hawkwind is Dave, but it is/was also Richard, Ali, Simon(s), Harvey, > Jerry,Robert(RIP), Lemmy, Del, DikMik,Danny, Terry, Dave Anderson, John > Harrison, Adrian, Paul and everyone else (too many names!) > absolutely > Ya can have yer favorite lineup, but no matter how ya slice it, it's still > Hawkwind! > absolutly as long as Dave is in there somewhere From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Fri Jan 11 19:34:04 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:34:04 +1100 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: I was here from day 1. I missed them. Probably couldn't be bothered reading the customary 963 posts. Why is it 963 posts a day? I dont understand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > In a message dated 1/11/02 5:37:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > > > > Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts > > about Hawk members having less talent..... > > Mainly they come when Nik and other ex-Hawks tour, sometimes confusingly > billed as 'Hawkwind' > > > > > > The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket > > science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the > > top thats creates the Hawk sound. > > Exactly! Which is why Mr. Brock asked them to join in the first place, yes? > Each one adding their own special bit to the mix. > > > > Joe > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 11 18:54:35 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:54:35 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Motorhead on TV tonight Message-ID: Just watched this, lots of interviews with Lemmy, Philthy Aniaml and Fast Eddie. Along with contributions from the likes of Captain Sensible and Rik Mayall. Hawkwind got a mention, along with the usual story about the drugs bust etc. Cool stuff! Nick From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Sat Jan 12 00:23:00 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:23:00 -0000 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: Eric, You are spot on there. For that reason, HW could never be regarded as prog rock - even tho' they were placed in the top 10 in that TV 'prog(!)' last year. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Schroeder" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts about Hawk members having less talent.....I am going to risk it by making this statement..... The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the top thats creates the Hawk sound. To me Space Rock is more about feeling than technical knowledge. I always admired Hawkwind more than any other "Progressive" bands for that fact....that they were Rock and Roll! That is my problem with most "Progressive" music....If I want to listen to someone play Scales and Arpeggios and call it music, I could just go to rehearsal....Hawkwind played it like they meant it and still do! Captain Mikel Anubis -----Original Message----- From: Joe Loehr [mailto:JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS In a message dated 1/11/02 10:54:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > Here is my two cents for what it is worth. I have the utmost respect for > Captain Brock, but one cannot deny that Robert Calvert,Nik Turner,Lemmy and > so on and so on were also a large part of the Hawkwind sound. Perhaps I am > naive, but I wish that Brock and Nik would just get together already and put > aside whatever differences they have. I will never choose sides, so I am > sorry to disappoint you.I enjoy Hawkwind as much as I enjoy ICU as much as I > enjoy Nik Turner. > > Right on, bro! My feelings exactly! 2? dept: With earlier posts about the ex-Hawkers being 'less talented' (or words to that effect), what does that say about Dave Brock, who invited them to play in HIS band? (OOOH, THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!) Dave wouldn't let no-talent musicians in his band, would he? Ducking to avoid deadly rebuttals Joe From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jan 12 00:30:53 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:30:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Free Ticket Offer Message-ID: Hi Folks... I remember forwarding this last year, so will do again. Grakkl (FAA) See on USENET... Well.....Here we go again.BOC are playing at Toad's Place in New Haven Connecticut on Friday March 1st and my band,Megahertz,is opening up for 'em.Many of you might remember me from my previous posts from last year AND the year before when I opened up for BOC.For those that don't,we offered FREE tix to the shows and we're offering the same this year.Here's the deal-get the vouchers from us,get into the club before 10pm and viola,you're in for free(after 10 it's $9.99 admission).So,E-mail me your snail mail address and how many you'd like(absolutely no limit)and we'll get them to you(with no obligation)within a few days.Feel free to spread the word of this as we have unlimited access to these free vouchers from Toad's Place and if any of you know where else to post this info,please contact me with the whereabouts and I'll be sure to do so.Oh,one last thing-for those that are going to the gig,check out our website and look at our setlist;vote for your top 5 fave songs that we perform and we'll play them for you that night.This is our way of saying thanks to all of you and BOC for having us 3 years in a row at Toad's. Big Jim - MHz Guitarist Megahertz Website MHZRock.com mhzjames at aol.com From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 05:26:06 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:26:06 +0800 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: That's an easy one. Uncle Nik doesn't need the name "Hawkwind" in his projects because he is a great performer. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Schroeder" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > Everyone needs to realize that it is usually the clubs that bill them as > Hawkwind in an attempt to sell more tickets. Why so many Hawk fans feel the > need to come down on Uncle Nik is beyond me....the man is a great performer > and has incredible stage presence! > > Captain Mikel Anubis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Loehr [mailto:JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:45 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > > > In a message dated 1/11/02 5:37:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > > > > Being that I am new to this list, and have never read these earlier posts > > about Hawk members having less talent..... > > Mainly they come when Nik and other ex-Hawks tour, sometimes confusingly > billed as 'Hawkwind' > > > > > > The backbone of most Hawk stuff that I have heard isn't exactly rocket > > science.. It is the collective embellishments that everyone adds over the > > top thats creates the Hawk sound. > > Exactly! Which is why Mr. Brock asked them to join in the first place, yes? > Each one adding their own special bit to the mix. > > > > Joe > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 05:28:20 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:28:20 +0800 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: you did when you went to England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:02 AM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > In a message dated 12/01/02 9:24:31 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > > > > I have seen my share of the Nik vs Brock arguments......... > > I must have missed them > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 06:02:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:02:47 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 11:00:56 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > I was here from day 1. I missed them. Probably couldn't be bothered reading > the customary 963 posts. Why is it 963 posts a day? I dont understand. > "TEEHEE!!!" LoL - because in the beginning the elders of the tribe thought it would cause an unbalance within the universal balance thereby allowing either chaos or Law to gain an advantage over the other. In their infinate wisdom they chose a 3 digit number that was a factor of 3 no matter how you broke it down. They then passed this profoundly important job of keeping universal balance onto us here at the HAWKWIND / boc list. So, you see, my friends, this is much more than just a simple chat list. Cherish it. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 06:15:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:15:56 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 8:54:55 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: > That's an easy one. Uncle Nik doesn't need the name "Hawkwind" in his > projects because he is a great performer. > We have a winner!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 06:16:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:16:50 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 8:58:04 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: > you did when you went to England See what happens when I leave the kids alone for a couple of months From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 06:47:23 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:47:23 +1100 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: The best thing about having the IQ of a concussed wombat like me is that at the end of every post I punch out with my callused nose I can type I dont understand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > In a message dated 12/01/02 11:00:56 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > > > I was here from day 1. I missed them. Probably couldn't be bothered reading > > the customary 963 posts. Why is it 963 posts a day? I dont understand. > > > > "TEEHEE!!!" LoL - because in the beginning the elders of the tribe thought it > would cause an unbalance within the universal balance thereby allowing either > chaos or Law to gain an advantage over the other. > In their infinate wisdom they chose a 3 digit number that was a factor of 3 > no matter how you broke it down. > They then passed this profoundly important job of keeping universal balance > onto us here at the HAWKWIND / boc list. > So, you see, my friends, this is much more than just a simple chat list. > Cherish it. > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Jan 12 06:54:20 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:54:20 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Jan 2002 to 12 Jan 2002 (#2002-12) Message-ID: Sheesh. Mike B and Mike C, it's time for you guys to chill again and not fill up the list with nonsense. > 3. SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS (22) I invited Erik Schroeder to the BOC-L list since I saw he was into Hawkwind from one of his posts on the e-Prog mailing list. It's kind of embarrassing for him to see BOC-L like this. AND ... for those of you who may have forgotten, aren't Dave and Kris in NEW ZEALAND? Richard from Cranium might be able to fill us in on their travel status. I'm not our list moderator but as a member in digest mode, I really don't want to weed through a bunch of silliness. Mike B and Mike C, you have more to offer than this. Let's get back on track guys. Thank you, Karen From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 07:26:28 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:26:28 EST Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 10:14:10 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > The best thing about having the IQ of a concussed wombat like me is that at > the end of every post I punch out with my callused nose I can type I dont > understand. > You should try typing with a stainless steel nose that falls off after every exclamation point. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 07:33:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:33:35 EST Subject: Hello Karen Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 10:23:26 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, kkusic at EXECPC.COM writes: > I'm not our list moderator but as a member in digest mode, I really > don't want to weed through a bunch of silliness. > > Mike B and Mike C, you have more to offer than this. > > Let's get back on track guys. > > Thank you, > > Karen > > > Hi Karen, Apologies for leaving out the OFF in the subject line in a few emails. I didn't realise Dave & Kris were still in New Zealand. Hope they are having a great holliday and succesful venue hunting trip. That is the objective?? Potentially exciting stuff in the near future for all us here doon under. Michael B From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 08:02:59 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:02:59 +1100 Subject: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS Message-ID: I just wish they would loosen the straps a bit so I can uncross my arms. One good thing is that I am highly qualified for getting a job standing on the rim of a glass of water and dipping my nose in the water. I would explain but I dont understand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: Re: SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS > In a message dated 12/01/02 10:14:10 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > > > The best thing about having the IQ of a concussed wombat like me is that at > > the end of every post I punch out with my callused nose I can type I dont > > understand. > > > > You should try typing with a stainless steel nose that falls off after every > exclamation point. > From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 08:08:51 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:08:51 +1100 Subject: Hello Karen Message-ID: I offer to burn both of them. They do have big noses afterall. Witches always have big noses. It will prove they are witches if they have small noses too because it will be obvious they have had surgery to try to fool us into thinking they are not witches. Witches can be very crafty like that so I prefer to burn everyone just incase. Never can be too careful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Hello Karen > In a message dated 12/01/02 10:23:26 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > kkusic at EXECPC.COM writes: > > > > I'm not our list moderator but as a member in digest mode, I really > > don't want to weed through a bunch of silliness. > > > > Mike B and Mike C, you have more to offer than this. > > > > Let's get back on track guys. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > Hi Karen, > > Apologies for leaving out the OFF in the subject line in a few emails. > > I didn't realise Dave & Kris were still in New Zealand. Hope they are having > a great holliday and succesful venue hunting trip. That is the objective?? > > Potentially exciting stuff in the near future for all us here doon under. > > Michael B > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 08:08:57 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:08:57 EST Subject: off SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS OFF Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 11:29:55 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > I just wish they would loosen the straps a bit so I can uncross my arms. One > good thing is that I am highly qualified for getting a job standing on the > rim of a glass of water and dipping my nose in the water. I would explain > but I dont understand. > LmAo!!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 08:12:15 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:12:15 EST Subject: Hello Karen Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 11:35:38 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > I offer to burn both of them. > > They do have big noses afterall. Witches always have big noses. It will > prove they are witches if they have small noses too because it will be > obvious they have had surgery to try to fool us into thinking they are not > witches. Witches can be very crafty like that so I prefer to burn everyone > just incase. Never can be too careful. > I am not a witch - and I have an average size nose - so I can't be a witch because we haven't thought of that crafty trick yet - I mean THOSE witches haven't tried that trick yet. Besides I won't loan you my lighter for this one. From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sat Jan 12 08:31:27 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:31:27 +1100 Subject: Hello Karen Message-ID: That is very crafty. Aa haa! Craftiness is..is ...is...is ....is it is the sign of a witch! Catch him. Catch the witch, Come here you!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Hello Karen > In a message dated 12/01/02 11:35:38 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > > > I offer to burn both of them. > > > > They do have big noses afterall. Witches always have big noses. It will > > prove they are witches if they have small noses too because it will be > > obvious they have had surgery to try to fool us into thinking they are not > > witches. Witches can be very crafty like that so I prefer to burn everyone > > just incase. Never can be too careful. > > > > I am not a witch - and I have an average size nose - so I can't be a witch > because we haven't thought of that crafty trick yet - I mean THOSE witches > haven't tried that trick yet. Besides I won't loan you my lighter for this > one. > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 08:46:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:46:58 EST Subject: offshenanigansoff Message-ID: In a message dated 12/01/02 11:58:30 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > That is very crafty. Aa haa! Craftiness is..is ...is...is ....is it is the > sign of a witch! Catch him. Catch the witch, Come here you!!! > RUN AWAY!! - RUNAWAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 10:25:15 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:25:15 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Jan 2002 to 12 Jan 2002 (#2002-12) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/02 6:53:26 AM, kkusic at EXECPC.COM writes: << Mike B (and Mike C,) it's time for you guys to chill again and not fill up the list with nonsense. > 3. SPLITTERSSSSSSSSSS (22) >> ========================== yeah, I hear you, bub! pour moi, just more deletions.... Waste of time, just like last summer. Time for me to make like a shepherd...again "<>" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 10:30:03 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:30:03 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Jan 2002 to 12 Jan 2002 (#2002-12) Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/02 1:56:37 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > Time for me to make like a shepherd...again > filthy bugger From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 10:39:29 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:39:29 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Jan 2002 to 12 Jan 2002 (#2002-12) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/02 10:31:28 AM, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: << Time for me to make like a shepherd...again > filthy bugger >> ============ This is a figure of speech unknown to you, WANKER "make like a shepherd and get the flock out of here" that's just about it for me, gang. L'menexe "<>" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 10:51:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:51:29 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Jan 2002 to 12 Jan 2002 (#2002-12) Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/02 2:13:09 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > This is a figure of speech unknown to you, WANKER LoL - looks like you are also adding to the DUD mail - congratulations please refrain from acting innocent from now on Lmao From dave.bunn at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jan 12 11:01:05 2002 From: dave.bunn at NTLWORLD.COM (Babylon Hythe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:01:05 -0000 Subject: Stuff for Sale Message-ID: Hello all, Lack of space/cash forces the sale of the following items, Hawkwind Vinyl LPS: Space Ritual Vol2, Live dbl. Gatefold sleeve, Cat. No. APK8 PXR5 NO Sticker on rear, Cat. No. CDS4016 Live 79. Cat No. BRON527 Doremi Fasol Latido, Printed Inner, Cat No. UAG29364 Live at the Bottom Line, NY 1978, Side 1; Hassan & Sahba, Brainstorm, Steppenwolf. Side 2; Highrise, Robot, Spirit of the age, Sonic Attack. This has no catalogue number (surprise surprise!) Roadhawks, Gatefold, with Poster Cat No. UAK29919 This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic. Gatefold, Cat No. SHARP022 The Chronicle of the Black Sword. Printed Inner. Cat No. SHARP033 Hawkwind, Gatefold sleeve. Cat No. LBS83348 Hawkwind Single Sleeve. Cat No.SLS50374 Zones, Pic Disc. Cat No. PSHARP014 Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gargarin. Cat No. DM002 Friends and Relations, Twice upon a Time. Cat No. SHARP107 Sonic Attack. Inc. printed lyrics sheet. Cat No. RCALP6004 Hall of the Mountain Grill. Printed Inner. Top right hand corner of sleeve has been snipped off. Cat No. UALA328G Levitation, BLUE VINYL. Cat No. BRON530 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music. Girl on front version. Cat No. CDS4004 12 Inch Singles (all have Pic Sleeves): Needle Gun. Cat No FLST032 Motorhead. Cat No. FLSEP205 Zarozonia Cat No. FLST033 Night of the Hawks (Earth Ritual Preview), Cat No. FLEP104 Hurry on Sundown, FLEP100 Sonic Assassins, FLEP101 10 Inch LP: Independent days. Cat No. XSHARP019 7 Inch Singles: Silver Machine Pic Disc. Cat No. UPP35381 Quark Strangeness and Charm. Cat No. CB305 Urban Guerilla Cat No. UP35566 Shot Down in the Night. Pic Sleeve. Cat No. BRO98 Motorway City. Pic Sleeve. Cat No. FLS025 Angels of Death Pic Sleeve. Cat No. RCA137 Who?s Gonna Win the War. Pic Sleeve. Cat No. FLS209 Who?s Gonna Win the War. Pic Sleeve. Cat No. BRO109 Silver Machine. Cat No. 35381 The Psychedelic Warlords. Cat No. UP35715 Hawkwind Tour Programs: Choose your Masques Sonic Attack Masters of the Universe (The Live ?79 Tour) (X2 one is in pieces, missing one sheet) ?82 Tour The Chronicle of the Black Sword ?83 or poss ?84 Tour Hawklords, signed by Martin D(something) Lyric Book, Purple cover Posters: In Search of Space, as sleeve Approx 18 inches square Poster from a Canterbury show, signed by: Bob, Nik, DikMik and 2 others, scan available if req. Space Ritual, as sleeve, approx 18 inches square Hawkwind and Pink Fairies at the Roundhouse, Pink and Dark Green on Light green background Levitation tour Poster Friends etc. (all LPs): Bob Calvert. Hype. Cat No. 1F0311 Dave Brock. Earthed to the Ground. Cat No. SHARP018 Bob Calvert. Test Tube Conceived. Cat No. DMLP1010 ICU. Pass Out. Cat No. RID002 ICU. Punkadelic Cat No. SHARP103 Steve Swindells. Fresh Blood. (Huw Lloyd-Langton, Nic Potter, Simon King) Cat No. K50738 John Stevens Away. ?Mazing Ennit? (Inc Bob Calvert) Cat No. 6360141BD Catherine Andrews. Fruits. (inc Nik Turner on 2 tracks) Poster Sleeve with Lyrics. Cat No. PURRLP2 Friends etc 7 Inch Singles: Bob Calvert. Lord of the Hornets. Black and White Sleeve Cat No. FLS204 ICU. Solitary Ashtray. Inc. printed lyric sheet. Cat No. RID001 Steve Swindells. Shot Down in the Night. Cat No. K11532 Tour Programs: Motorhead, Ace of Spades tour Motorhead, Iron Fist tour Steve Hackett, ?81 tour Whitesnake, Saints and Sinners Tour Gillan, Double Trouble Tour Phil Collins, No Jacket Required Tour Marrilion, Script tour, Signed by all of the group Slade, Slade on Stage tour UFO, appears to be The Wild, the Willing and the innocent tour Girlschool, Hit and Run tour Gordon Giltrap, ?78 Autumn tour. Max Webster, More of a hand out than program, with Flexi disc Comic Relief, The first one! AC DC, For those about to Rock tour Cheesecake magazine, ICU stuff and a Bob Calvert article Posters: Motorhead, the classic 3 on stage with the Bomber, Motorhead, Iron fist tour, the 3 of them in armour brandishing swords etc Zodiac Mindwarp, Tattooed Beat Messiah tour Please mail offers to me off-list at dave.bunn at ntlworld.com (Please note, I did not see Phil Collins live! Someone brought me the program as they knew that I collected them at that time. I repeat ? I did not EVER go to see Phil Collins) Thanks Dave From mr_fruit_fly at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 12 11:44:37 2002 From: mr_fruit_fly at HOTMAIL.COM (Mr Fruit Fly) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:44:37 +0000 Subject: I'm a BIC fan man Message-ID: Hello Fellow Boc fans am I in the right place for the best Boc discussion or what Fruity _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 12:08:45 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:08:45 EST Subject: I'm a BIC fan man Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/02 3:26:08 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mr_fruit_fly at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > Hello Fellow Boc fans > > am I in the right place for the best Boc discussion or what > > Fruity > Welcome Mr Fly Who is BIC?? you like BIC lighters? Oh BOC!!?? yes there a little of Boc in here but it's mostly a HAWKWIND group now or shouldd i say there is predominatly Hawkwind topic :) Mb From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 13:41:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:41:04 EST Subject: Helpful tips for BOC users - serious mail Message-ID: If you find non related topics bothersome to your inbox try this in the BOC registry http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=boc-l&A=1 >>scroll down the page once you have arrived there << you will see a check box that says >>> Other (messages with unknown topic) If you unselect this check box (( click on it so there is no arrow )) you will only recieve posts that are related eg: HW - BOC - ADMIN - brain - NIK try it its easy - painless - and some will find that their tubes of preperation H will go much further thus saving money.... Whatever that means - I'm not sure BONUS!!!! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 12 13:43:43 2002 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:43:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Uxbridge July 78 Film? In-Reply-To: <200108111901.PAA03696@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi All, I am sorting out a recording of Hawkwind at Uxbridge, July 24, 1978. Just before Steppenwolf, Calvert says words to the effect of "Sorry about the film cameras everywhere, spoils the intimacy of the occasion. Its like having your hotel room invaded by blackmailers!" !!! So, assuming the date of the recording is correct, has any of this film made its way into BOC-L? Can anyone describe it? - must be fascinating viewing! Mark From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 13:52:11 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:52:11 EST Subject: HW: Uxbridge July 78 Film? Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/02 5:17:18 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > Hi All, > > I am sorting out a recording of Hawkwind at Uxbridge, July 24, 1978. > > Just before Steppenwolf, Calvert says words to the effect of "Sorry > about the film cameras everywhere, spoils the intimacy of the occasion. > Its like having your hotel room invaded by blackmailers!" !!! > > So, assuming the date of the recording is correct, has any of this film > made its way into BOC-L? Can anyone describe it? - must be fascinating > viewing! > If it hasn't there is alot of unreleased film out there collecting dust(??) We must petition the release of said films and have them on the market. - or whatever. More more more!!! :-) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 12 13:54:33 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:54:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Uxbridge July 78 Film? Message-ID: Would that be the Hawklords film used briefly in the C4 Top Ten last year, I wonder? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Edmonds" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: HW: Uxbridge July 78 Film? > Hi All, > > I am sorting out a recording of Hawkwind at Uxbridge, July 24, 1978. > > Just before Steppenwolf, Calvert says words to the effect of "Sorry > about the film cameras everywhere, spoils the intimacy of the occasion. > Its like having your hotel room invaded by blackmailers!" !!! > > So, assuming the date of the recording is correct, has any of this film > made its way into BOC-L? Can anyone describe it? - must be fascinating > viewing! > > Mark From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jan 12 14:32:18 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Uxbridge July 78 Film? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jan 12 15:27:18 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:27:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Where is ADRIAN PARR ???? Message-ID: Hi folks I asked this question a couple of weeks ago and now I am asking it again: WHERE IS ADRIAN PARR ?? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM ??? His WWW site was not updated since December 2000 !!! For some of you who do not know who ADRIAN PARR is here's a short info: - Creator of the HAWKEYE web-site and magazine - Great Hawkwind fan - friendly chap I know him since 1988 (yes, 1988 !!). He visited me and Rainer Wangler in 1991 here in Germany and we made it to a coulple of gigs here (October 1991 tour). 1992 a couple of friends and me visited him in London and went to the Hammersmith gig on 16.05.1992. We (Adrian and me) exchanged hundreds of letters and later thousands of e-mails. I received some very interesting tapes from him. We stood in permanent e-mail contact. The last time I had contact to him was on 29.12.2000 when I saw him in the ASTORIA. He told me that he expected the BOOK to be released in February 2001. He was in a very good mood and could not await to see HAWKWIND this evening THIS WAS THE LAST TIME I HAD CONTACT TO ADRIAN Does someone here know what happened to him ? Here is his latest address: Adrian Parr 6 Conifers Close Teddington Middlesex TW11 9JG ENGLAND Maybe one of you guys who is living next to this address could check what is going on there?? Maybe give him a phonecall or visit this address ?? Thanks in advance for doing this Because I would really like to know what happened to a good friend and a great HAWKWIND fan !!!!!!!!! Bernhard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jan 12 16:19:55 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:19:55 -0500 Subject: I'm a BIC fan man Message-ID: Fruity... Sorry, I think the Cardiacs discussion is already over. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Does anyone out there have the vinyl-edition of Porcupine Tree's first album (YHD) on Gates of Dawn...the one with the pseudo-cover of "Magnu" called "Out?" I'd really like to hear it, and there ain't no way I'm going to pay $30 for one lousy track (I've got the rare OOP CD from long ago with the Prince cover instead.). SW has continually shown that he doesn't mind pissing off music fans that aren't silly kollektors :) by issuing vinyl-only things and then changing his mind. One day it'll probably be on CD, but I'd like to have it sooner. Has anyone transferred it to digital (CDR) yet? Or is it up somewhere as an mp3? Contact me privately...I'll trade anyone who can get me a digital copy with something (unofficial) in return. I only really need the one track of course. From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Sat Jan 12 17:12:02 2002 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:12:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: >Not quite the same thing, but my own favorite Tolkien-linked musical work is >definitely Bo Hansson's 'Music Inspired by Lord of the Rings'. THANK YOU! I've been trying to remember the name of that guy for ages. I once saw this album on vinyl some years ago and made the mistake not to buy it. I've been hoping to find it again since, but I couldn't remember the guy's name. Maybe I can dig it up now :-) What kind of music is it, BTW? That's the reason I hadn't bought it back then, come to think of it, I'd no idea what sort of music it was... and still don't. >very good movie - I'd give it 5 out of 5 stars except that I suspect that >someone who doesn't know the books might get confused or not fully >understand everything that was happening so maybe only 4.5. You know, I had the same concern, but after discussing it with several people who haven't read the books, it looks like it's working out just fine. Of course, their "understanding" may be different then ours, since the information in the movies is incomplete and sometimes even slightly different, but the whole seems to stand on its own fairly well. Which is no small achievement. >I thought that none of the >omissions/alterations/additions were especially annoying or gratuitous, I agree. I thought some of them were even some quite smart moves. >occasionally there was something that closely coincided with my own >visualization, and maybe edged my mental picture a bit closer to what was on >screen (Rivendell), but for the most part what didn't mesh with my mind's >eye still seemed solid even if it did not in any way alter my own >imagination (most of the Moria sequence). Interesting. In my case, I'd say about 90% of it matched the visuals I had in my head. So far so good :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 12 17:12:39 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:12:39 EST Subject: The Electric Tepee Message-ID: Hi - Just letting everyone know that the Electric Tepee has moved to new space http://www.aliendream.net/electric_tepee/enter.htm Thanks Michael B From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Jan 12 18:33:02 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:33:02 -0500 Subject: I'm a BIC fan man Message-ID: ...or a lot of useless b.s.... Michael W Blackman wrote: > > In a message dated 13/01/02 3:26:08 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > mr_fruit_fly at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > > Hello Fellow Boc fans > > > > am I in the right place for the best Boc discussion or what > > > > Fruity > > > > Welcome Mr Fly > > Who is BIC?? you like BIC lighters? > > Oh BOC!!?? yes there a little of Boc in here but it's mostly a HAWKWIND > group now or shouldd i say there is predominatly Hawkwind topic :) > > Mb From youless at LVCM.COM Sun Jan 13 02:41:01 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:41:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Where is ADRIAN PARR ???? Message-ID: I emailed him a couple of weeks before Christmas to ask him a question, and mentioned that some of us on this list were slightly concerned about him. No reply at all. I'm nowhere near Teddington so I can't go and knock on his door, but sounds like a good idea if anyone's willing to try it. Steve From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 13 04:17:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:17:23 EST Subject: I'm a BIC fan man Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/02 10:04:39 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > ...or a lot of useless b.s.... lighten up people get a sense of humour about you From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 13 05:13:39 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:13:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Procter" > > Well, also...but I wasn't playing fantasy line-ups. I was talking > True. Sorry, that was just my pushing things a bit to provoke > thought. It doesn;t always work. Even with me. > > > about DB's pulling together the best line-up he possibly could. IMHO, and of > > course only IMHO, this was pretty much achieved on the winter tour: the two > > longest serving members aside from Brock and, arguably, the two best > > musicians (SH, H-LL) that have played in Hawkwind. > I don;t even want to think abotu a Hawkwind without Simon > House. It feels, to me, as ridiculous as a Hawkwind without Dave > Brock. It's doable, but it's not good. I realise that I am alnmost > certainly alone in this feeling. I certainly don't think you're alone in that feeling! It was *so* good to see Simon on the Winter Tour. I'd have to add, AT LAST also as I saw the only gig on the 89 Winter Tour he didn't play on (flu apparently) and the only mini-tour 1999 show he didn't guest at (Cornwall too far away?!?). It was a real thrill to hear him, and I certainly don't want to imagine HW without him again ;-) With SH & HLL in the band, this line-up could do a really fabulous version of Dreaming City with Simon's violin adding to the mournful atmosphere of the song. > > I don't really go for Dave's solo stuff either. But he's in a great position > > of being able to gather around him a great support team and after 30+years > > of *being* Hawkwind sort of pick and choose who he works with. I thought > > the winter tour was pretty special (I have a hunch that I enjoyed Space > > Bandits 1990 a bit more but that might have been circumstances) and the > > line-up near perfect...I really treasure that night in Swindon. I realise > > that's just my opinion but it seems to be shared around quite a bit. > > I didn't see the Swindon gig. I'd been planning on going to Brighton, > but confusion over that and lack of babysitters meant that I missed > that and only saw Croydon (and the RFH and Christmas party). I do take > your point, but it seems to me that if Hawkwind really is Dave 'with a > great support team', well, I'm going to get tired fairly quickly. This > isn't happening, I hasten to add. I do think that it'd be nice to see > new stuff, and that the person who was supplying the new stuff I'd like > to see being missing is, well, sub-optimal, but, as I said, if the > line-ups staying reasonably steady, then maybe we'll get that. Would be > nice, no? Would be great and if this line-up can run for a while then I would think it a safe bet that there's new stuff to come (didn't Dave suggest that Huw has some stuff worked out a while back?) and also more re-introductions of stuff not played for a while. In terms of Hawkwind being DB with a great support team, really I was just trying to make the point that he seems to be in the nice (deserved) position of being able to pick and choose who he works with. For the tour, to my ears, he assembled a line up that might look unlikely on paper (ie SH & HLL playing lead instruments together) but really worked on stage. > > I realise tide of opinion is against me, but that's why I > spoke up in the first place - I'm sure it's been pointed out before > that the best way to get an answer is to say something controversial, > or even wrong, well, I don't have many of the answers, but I did want > to add my 2p here. I think general consensus is that people are pretty chuffed with the live output this year, which is really nice to read after the somewhat disappointing reactions to the 1999 minitour (nice gigs but not enough musical discipline and too much Ron & Nik trying to out-do each other as I recall). But the band's history is such that not everybody is going to be happy with a particular direction..but hey, thinking that things were always better "in the past" is part of the qualification of being a fan :-) Ian From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 13 05:16:47 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:16:47 -0000 Subject: Helpful tips for BOC users - serious mail Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" > If you find non related topics bothersome to your inbox try this > > in the BOC registry > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=boc-l&A=1 > > >>scroll down the page once you have arrived there << > > you will see a check box that says >>> Other (messages with unknown topic) > > If you unselect this check box (( click on it so there is no arrow )) > > you will only recieve posts that are related eg: HW - BOC - ADMIN - brain - > NIK > > try it > > its easy - painless - and some will find that their tubes of preperation H > will go much further thus saving money.... Whatever that means - I'm not sure Having gone the other way on this (ie used to get HW & Nik only and now get the OFF stuff as well) shouldn't it really be that off-topic is for Space Rock related discussion that doesn't fall into the above catergories. I've certainly found some interesting stuff off-topic on PT, Farflung etc which is nice to follow up on. Ian From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 13 05:08:25 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:08:25 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/12 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 1/12 (5-7pm PST) 1.Popol Vuh-- "Song of the High Mountains" (Sing, for Song Drives Away the Wolves; Milan/BMG) 2.Melting Euphoria-- "Elixir of Light" (Beyond the Maybe Machine; Cleopatra) 3.Shay-- "Hello the Shore" (Dreamers and Stalkers) 4.Silver Apples-- "Tabouli Noodle" (The Garden; Whirlybird) 5.Vocokesh-- "Number 29" (Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil) 6.Vas Deferens Org/Electric Co-- "Tinsel Termites in Barbed Wire Brassieres" (More Pelvis Wick for the Baloney Boners; Tekito) 7.Mars Everywhere-- "Steady State Theory" (Industrial Sabotage; Random Radar) 8.Future Sound of London-- "Just a Fuckin' Idiot" (ISDN; EBV/Virgin) 9.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Penguin Penguin/Another White Singer (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 10.Upsilon Acrux-- "The Most Unspectacular Pirate Show in the Middle of the Fuckin' Desert" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 11.Mushroom-- "The Reaperbahn" (Unreleased recordings--thanks to Pat!) 12.Gong-- "Dynamite: I am Your Animal" (Camembert Electrique; Decal/Charly) 13.Acid Mothers Temple-- "Occie Lady" (New Geocentric World; Squealer) 14.UFO-- "C'mon Everybody" (Space Metal; Nova) 15.Bevis Frond-- "Sexorcist" (7"; Clawfist) 16.Guild Navigators-- "Ghost of the Cosmonaut" (Phase 1: '91-'97; Amblifier) 17.Hawkwind-- "Seven by Seven" (7", numerous releases; EMI) 18.Popol Vuh-- "Pages from the Book of Daring" (Sing...) 19.Saddar Bazaar-- "When the Waters Were Changed" (Path of the Rose; Delerium) thanks, Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 13 10:26:46 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:26:46 EST Subject: OFF:lem's book Message-ID: Barnes and Noble has a listing in their in-store database of a book called 'white line fever' by one Lemmy Lilmister, due to be released on november 4th, 2002...publisher listed was simon and schuster, hardcover...... now, about that dvd... bobm From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Jan 13 12:23:47 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:23:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: AMON =?iso-8859-1?q?D=DC=DCL?= 2 Live Message-ID: Yesterday played the legendary AD2 in Verviers/Belgium. The poster read: "Amon D??l 2 - die Lemminge tanzen wieder" (The Lemmings are dancing again). The band took stage at 10.45 pm and started off with Renate Knaup singing the last part of _KISS MA EE_ accompanied by some synths only. Then the band launched into _EYE-SHAKING KING_, a very chaotic version with the sound totally unbalanced. Awful! But by the next track, _APOCALYPTIC BORE_ off "Vive la trance" the mixing desk man got it right. A splendid version with some amazing violin playing by Chris Karrer, 8 min long. Then came a song I know, but I don?t remember the title, a very arabic sounding tune, must be from the early 70?s as well. _DRY YOUR EARS_ was next, sung only by Lothar Meid. Next was _WOLF CITY_ during which John Wenzierl?s guitar playing was outstanding, another highlight. Another surprise followed: _ALL THE YEARS ROUND_ off "Carnival in Babylon", very much like the original, but with a percussion solo at the end by a drummer that must be new in the band, at least he looked some 20 years younger than the rest of the band. Peter Leopold was also drumming, but he had a very small drumkit. The climax of the gig was next with the very heavy bass riffing of -DEUTSCH-NEPAL_! Sung by Lothar it was a monster. The bass was underlined with great conga playing by the young drummer. It all slowed down and the band played a very slow reggae version (!) of _SPEED INSIDE MY SHOES_ . Not my cup of tea, but not that bad. The new drummer was talking something in french, played the conga again and did a jam with Chris Karrer on acoustic guitar. Lothar Meid joined them, then the synth player (unrecognised by me) started and the jam went into _FLOWERS OF THE ORIENT_ (off "Pyragony X") sung by the new drummer and Renate. Another few minutes of acousic guitar playing by Chris was followed by _SURROUNDED BY THE STARS_, another classic off "Wolf City". Beautiful! By that time the band was having pretty much fun on stage and the people (about 250) were enthusiastic. The song ended in an endless mostly percussive jam. No, it didn?t end, because they started again with pt. 2 of SBTS. So, this was the main set, which lasted for about 75 min. They came back for a 15 min encore, consisting of a faultlessly played _ARCHANGEL?s THUNDERBIRD_ (what else?) and a new song (I believe) which grew into an absolutely chaotic jam, an incredible sonic attack. So they ended the gig as they started it. Overall, this was much better than I expected it. 10 times better than last time I saw them (in 95 at Burg Herzberg). Go and see them if you can! AD 2 are back! Here are the dates of the short tour: 13.01: Hamburg, Fabrik 14.01: Berlin, Quasimodo 15.01: Mainz, Kuz 16.01: N?rnberg, Hirsch 17.01: Hannover, Faust The merchandising stall was selling a lot of japanese AD II CD?s, a glossy colourful Yeti poster and tickets for the Burg Herzberg and Cornberg festivals. I bought the poster and tickets for Cornberg. The possible line-up will be : Groundhogs, Fairport Convention, Them, Arthur Brown, Coloseum, PTree and...... HAWKWIND! But most of these bands (incl. HW) haven?t confirmed yet. Anyway, this festival is just too good to be missed! Andreas From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 13 12:58:47 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:58:47 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:______OFF:_AMON_D=DC=DCL_2_Live?= Message-ID: Thanks for that Andreas, great review of a great band. GARY & ANNA ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Stuewe To: Sent: 13 January 2002 17:23 Subject: OFF: AMON D??L 2 Live Yesterday played the legendary AD2 in Verviers/Belgium. The poster read: "Amon D??l 2 - die Lemminge tanzen wieder" (The Lemmings are dancing again). The band took stage at 10.45 pm and started off with Renate Knaup singing the last part of _KISS MA EE_ accompanied by some synths only. Then the band launched into _EYE-SHAKING KING_, a very chaotic version with the sound totally unbalanced. Awful! But by the next track, _APOCALYPTIC BORE_ off "Vive la trance" the mixing desk man got it right. A splendid version with some amazing violin playing by Chris Karrer, 8 min long. Then came a song I know, but I don?t remember the title, a very arabic sounding tune, must be from the early 70?s as well. _DRY YOUR EARS_ was next, sung only by Lothar Meid. Next was _WOLF CITY_ during which John Wenzierl?s guitar playing was outstanding, another highlight. Another surprise followed: _ALL THE YEARS ROUND_ off "Carnival in Babylon", very much like the original, but with a percussion solo at the end by a drummer that must be new in the band, at least he looked some 20 years younger than the rest of the band. Peter Leopold was also drumming, but he had a very small drumkit. The climax of the gig was next with the very heavy bass riffing of -DEUTSCH-NEPAL_! Sung by Lothar it was a monster. The bass was underlined with great conga playing by the young drummer. It all slowed down and the band played a very slow reggae version (!) of _SPEED INSIDE MY SHOES_ . Not my cup of tea, but not that bad. The new drummer was talking something in french, played the conga again and did a jam with Chris Karrer on acoustic guitar. Lothar Meid joined them, then the synth player (unrecognised by me) started and the jam went into _FLOWERS OF THE ORIENT_ (off "Pyragony X") sung by the new drummer and Renate. Another few minutes of acousic guitar playing by Chris was followed by _SURROUNDED BY THE STARS_, another classic off "Wolf City". Beautiful! By that time the band was having pretty much fun on stage and the people (about 250) were enthusiastic. The song ended in an endless mostly percussive jam. No, it didn?t end, because they started again with pt. 2 of SBTS. So, this was the main set, which lasted for about 75 min. They came back for a 15 min encore, consisting of a faultlessly played _ARCHANGEL?s THUNDERBIRD_ (what else?) and a new song (I believe) which grew into an absolutely chaotic jam, an incredible sonic attack. So they ended the gig as they started it. Overall, this was much better than I expected it. 10 times better than last time I saw them (in 95 at Burg Herzberg). Go and see them if you can! AD 2 are back! Here are the dates of the short tour: 13.01: Hamburg, Fabrik 14.01: Berlin, Quasimodo 15.01: Mainz, Kuz 16.01: N?rnberg, Hirsch 17.01: Hannover, Faust The merchandising stall was selling a lot of japanese AD II CD?s, a glossy colourful Yeti poster and tickets for the Burg Herzberg and Cornberg festivals. I bought the poster and tickets for Cornberg. The possible line-up will be : Groundhogs, Fairport Convention, Them, Arthur Brown, Coloseum, PTree and...... HAWKWIND! But most of these bands (incl. HW) haven?t confirmed yet. Anyway, this festival is just too good to be missed! Andreas From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jan 13 16:49:11 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:49:11 -0500 Subject: OFF:lem's book Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:26:46 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >Barnes and Noble has a listing in their in-store database of a book called >'white line fever' by one Lemmy Lilmister, due to be released on november >4th, 2002...publisher listed was simon and schuster, hardcover...... >now, about that dvd... ... and that BASS! (Rickenbacker 4004LK, which I've had on order for nearly a year now; hopefully THOSE will be finished before the book comes out, but I'm not holding my breath.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 13 18:16:38 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:16:38 -0000 Subject: HW: Porcupine pastiche Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: K Henderson mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU > P.S. Does anyone out there have the vinyl-edition of Porcupine Tree's first > album (YHD) on Gates of Dawn...the one with the pseudo-cover of "Magnu" > called "Out?" I'd really like to hear it, and there ain't no way I'm going Good gracious me. So it is! And I've never listened to it since I also have the CD and didn't realise there was a change in the tracklisting! I do feel ashamed now. Thank you for pointing that out! Sadly I can't do you a CDR so I'll have to leave that to other folk with more technical expertise than I have. jill From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jan 14 02:12:04 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:12:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: SPACEROCK: Farflung Message-ID: :) Hey...Was just looking around to see if I could find any notice of where the Farflung CD might be available...if Rudy was telling me the truth, it should be out by now. Anyway, on www.falcata-galia.com it mentions that he's worked out a deal to get his releases into Borders. So maybe they'll be available in various places around the states that way? Nothing more about when the actual release date is/was. On another note, I saw a listing for a copy of Belief Module at this store here in Wuppertal, Germany. http://www.cybercd.de/en Grakkl (FAA) ObLP: Juneau - Space Is Hot P.S. Could somebody post the dates for the Think Progressive fests at B. Herzberg and K. Cornberg this year? Andreas? "waiting for the takeoff...waiting for the show..." From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jan 14 02:37:34 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:37:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cornberg Message-ID: >P.S. Could somebody post the dates for the Think Progressive fests at B. >Herzberg and K. Cornberg this year? Andreas? "waiting for the >takeoff...waiting for the show..." Ah, nevermind... I see that Kalle finally has his s(h)ite together at http://thinkprogressive.de with all sorts of good up-to-date information. and there it also links to the Cornberg site here... http://www.cornberg-festival.de/ Kloster Cornberg 2002 - July 25-28, 2002 Sunya Beat (this is Harald GroBkopf of Ashra & friends..pretty good stuff) Groundhogs Fairport Convention (best?tigt) Hawkwind Colosseum Pretty Things Galaxy Transport Porcupine Tree Living Blues (best?tigt) Them Arthur Brown Neues Glas aus alten Scherben. (Looks a lot like last year's lineup...I just hope Amon Duul II plays somewhere this summer when I'm going to be there!) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here's the BH lineup...a little disappointing I think (so far)...but then, there are some names here I don't know (Jeronimo?). LSD sounds intriguing. But lots of blues rock... But the coolest thing is that Morpheus has apparently reunited! There's a link to their webpage from Kalle's site, and although it's all in German, I can tell that they have a new album out in March, 2002! They only did one album back in the early 70s, Rabenteuer, which is on Garden of Delights now. Not surprisingly, you can get it from aural-innovations.com (Jerry). Anyway, anyone who likes the first few Kraan albums (psych-prog-jazzrock mixture) should really like them. Cool news. Anyone's Daughter is ok too...more sympho-neo-proggish stuff. Glenn Hughes was cool on Trapeze's "Medusa" album, but I don't really care for anything else he did...w/ Deep Purple etc. Burg Herzberg 2002 - July 18-21, 2002 Mick Taylor (best?tigt) Glenn Hughes (best?tigt) Mila Mar (best?tigt) Jeronimo (Re-Union, best?tigt) LSD (best?tigt) Calvin Russel (best?tigt) Alex Oriental Experience (best?tigt) Paul Rodgers Roger McGuinn Klaus Renft Combo (best?tigt) The Blues Band Golden Earring Mountain (best?tigt) Morpheus (best?tigt) Anyones Daughter (best?tigt) (best?tigt) presumably means unconfirmed or something similar... Grakkl (FAA) From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Jan 14 03:51:20 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:51:20 -0700 Subject: HW: Porcupine pastiche Message-ID: I have the CD it's on, " Love,Death & Mousilini E.P. I'll be happy to trade ya:) Pam Jill Strobridge wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K Henderson mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU > > > P.S. Does anyone out there have the vinyl-edition of Porcupine Tree's > first > > album (YHD) on Gates of Dawn...the one with the pseudo-cover of > "Magnu" > > called "Out?" I'd really like to hear it, and there ain't no way I'm > going > > Good gracious me. So it is! And I've never listened to it since I > also have the CD and didn't realise there was a change in the > tracklisting! I do feel ashamed now. Thank you for pointing that > out! Sadly I can't do you a CDR so I'll have to leave that to other > folk with more technical expertise than I have. > > jill -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I think I saw him at Croydon last year? Maybe not. Whatever, thats still quite a time ago. Hope he's ok. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: HW: Where is ADRIAN PARR ???? > Hi folks > > I asked this question a couple of weeks ago and now > I am asking it again: > > > > WHERE IS ADRIAN PARR ?? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM ??? > > His WWW site was not updated since December 2000 !!! > > > > For some of you who do not know who ADRIAN PARR is here's a short info: > > - Creator of the HAWKEYE web-site and magazine > - Great Hawkwind fan > - friendly chap > > > > I know him since 1988 (yes, 1988 !!). He visited me and Rainer Wangler in > 1991 here in Germany and we made it to a coulple of gigs here (October 1991 > tour). > > 1992 a couple of friends and me visited him in London and went to the > Hammersmith gig on 16.05.1992. > > We (Adrian and me) exchanged hundreds of letters and later thousands of > e-mails. I received some very interesting tapes from him. > We stood in permanent e-mail contact. > > The last time I had contact to him was on 29.12.2000 when I saw him in the > ASTORIA. He told me that he expected the BOOK to be released in February > 2001. He was in a very good mood and could not await to see HAWKWIND this > evening > > THIS WAS THE LAST TIME I HAD CONTACT TO ADRIAN > > Does someone here know what happened to him ? > > Here is his latest address: > > Adrian Parr > 6 Conifers Close > Teddington > Middlesex TW11 9JG > ENGLAND > > Maybe one of you guys who is living next to this address could check what > is going on there?? > > Maybe give him a phonecall or visit this address ?? > > > Thanks in advance for doing this > > Because I would really like to know what happened to a good friend and a > great HAWKWIND fan !!!!!!!!! > > > Bernhard > From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Jan 14 06:30:14 2002 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:30:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Cornberg In-Reply-To: <200201140756.CAA24171@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi Keith, >(best?tigt) presumably means unconfirmed or something similar... It's the exact opposite :-) "best?tigt" means "confirmed" (c)IAO D+R From coral at APORT.RU Mon Jan 14 08:39:34 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:39:34 +0300 Subject: OFF: Capt. Rizz Message-ID: Hello I recently got a Capt. Rizz cd and it turned out suprisingly good. There is a mention of Alan Davey here but what was his work on album? And percussions are sounding very Chadwick-like in places but there is some nickname for drummer. cheers, Alisa From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Mon Jan 14 10:41:27 2002 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:41:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent tapes Message-ID: Hi People... does anyone have decent quality tapes of any of the shows from the recent HW tour of the UK? If you want to trade, let me know! John Majka jmajka2 at home.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 14 10:54:32 2002 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:54:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Capt. Rizz Message-ID: I seem to remember that Alan helped with the production of it. Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: OFF: Capt. Rizz > Hello > > I recently got a Capt. Rizz cd and it turned out suprisingly good. > > There is a mention of Alan Davey here but what was his work on album? > > And percussions are sounding very Chadwick-like in places but there is some > nickname for drummer. > > cheers, > Alisa From swann at CUGC.ORG Mon Jan 14 11:51:49 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: HW: recordings of the current lineup? Message-ID: Are there any recordings available of the current lineup with Simon and Huw? I'd even settle for a decent tape, although I'm hoping that they've been recording with the idea in mind of releasing a live album along the lines of Business Trip or Palace Springs featuring this lineup... Thanks! Steve From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jan 14 13:31:14 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:31:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Cornberg Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > Kloster Cornberg 2002 - July 25-28, 2002 > > Sunya Beat (this is Harald GroBkopf of Ashra & friends..pretty good stuff) > Groundhogs > Fairport Convention (best?tigt) > Hawkwind > Colosseum > Pretty Things > Galaxy Transport > Porcupine Tree > Living Blues (best?tigt) > Them > Arthur Brown > Neues Glas aus alten Scherben. As Denis already pointed out "best?tigt" means "confirmed". I hope HW will confirm soon! Added to the confirmed acts is also Mitch Ryder (which doesn?t excite me much). > Here's the BH lineup...a little disappointing I think (so far)...but then, > there are some names here I don't know (Jeronimo?). LSD sounds intriguing. LSD is a band from Northern Germany, full name: Late September Dogs. "Eclipsed" magazine described their music as progressive folk/ethno/dub/trance. > But lots of blues rock... And Think Progressive are trying to book Buddy Guy, the Other Ones (the Grateful Dead without the dead one) and Peter Hammill. There will also be an extra reggae stage. And there will be a special Black Widow Records evening with italian bands like Standarte, Abiogenesi and United Totem Orchester. > But the coolest thing is that Morpheus has apparently reunited! There's a > link to their webpage from Kalle's site, and although it's all in German, I > can tell that they have a new album out in March, 2002! They only did one > album back in the early 70s, Rabenteuer, which is on Garden of Delights now. > Not surprisingly, you can get it from aural-innovations.com (Jerry). > Anyway, anyone who likes the first few Kraan albums (psych-prog-jazzrock > mixture) should really like them. Cool news. Anyone's Daughter is ok > too...more sympho-neo-proggish stuff. Glenn Hughes was cool on Trapeze's > "Medusa" album, but I don't really care for anything else he did...w/ Deep > Purple etc. This year?s BH line-up isn?t spectacular IMO. I?m only going to the Cornberg festival which is a lot smaller. They are selling only 2,000 tickets afaik (my ticket no. is 1701 by the way - if you want to travel there better be quick!), whereas there will be some 50,000 BH tickets sold. Andreas From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 14 14:39:29 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:39:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Porcupine pastiche Message-ID: When did the CD come out and is it available? Apparently there were only 10 copies of the original tape and Steve Wilson didn't have any of them according to the album sleeve notes - but who believes those? jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: Porcupine pastiche > I have the CD it's on, " Love,Death & Mousilini E.P. I'll be happy to trade > ya:) > Pam > > Jill Strobridge wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: K Henderson mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU > > > > > P.S. Does anyone out there have the vinyl-edition of Porcupine Tree's > > first > > > album (YHD) on Gates of Dawn...the one with the pseudo-cover of > > "Magnu" > > > called "Out?" I'd really like to hear it, and there ain't no way I'm > > going > > > > Good gracious me. So it is! And I've never listened to it since I > > also have the CD and didn't realise there was a change in the > > tracklisting! I do feel ashamed now. Thank you for pointing that > > out! Sadly I can't do you a CDR so I'll have to leave that to other > > folk with more technical expertise than I have. > > > > jill > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 14 11:03:27 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: Capt. Rizz Message-ID: That CD isn't too bad at all is it? As far as I know Richard is not the drummer; I believe that Alan helped to produce it and also provided some "noises". Regards, COLIN PS: my lists are now at: http://www.geocities.com/colinjallen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: OFF: Capt. Rizz > Hello > > I recently got a Capt. Rizz cd and it turned out suprisingly good. > > There is a mention of Alan Davey here but what was his work on album? > > And percussions are sounding very Chadwick-like in places but there is some > nickname for drummer. > > cheers, > Alisa > From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 14 15:36:27 2002 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc de Montfort) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:36:27 -0800 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings In-Reply-To: <200201122212.RAA27707@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: IT's been on my turntable for quite a while recently. VERY Prog.. but def with that solo album I'm doing all the insturments feel. Im not a tech guru so if anyone wants a TAPE of this (I don't have the time, just the knowlege to do CDR) email me off list. I believe it is OOP and not available on CD. If it is please forget I mentioned offering the tape. Le Duc mailto://mikemontfort at yahoo.com!BO Hansen LotR. --- "Alex S. Garcia" wrote: > >Not quite the same thing, but my own favorite > Tolkien-linked musical work is > >definitely Bo Hansson's 'Music Inspired by Lord of > the Rings'. > > THANK YOU! I've been trying to remember the name of > that guy for ages. I > once saw this album on vinyl some years ago and made > the mistake not to buy > it. I've been hoping to find it again since, but I > couldn't remember the > guy's name. Maybe I can dig it up now :-) What kind > of music is it, BTW? > That's the reason I hadn't bought it back then, come > to think of it, I'd no > idea what sort of music it was... and still don't. > > >very good movie - I'd give it 5 out of 5 stars > except that I suspect that > >someone who doesn't know the books might get > confused or not fully > >understand everything that was happening so maybe > only 4.5. > > You know, I had the same concern, but after > discussing it with several > people who haven't read the books, it looks like > it's working out just fine. > Of course, their "understanding" may be different > then ours, since the > information in the movies is incomplete and > sometimes even slightly > different, but the whole seems to stand on its own > fairly well. Which is no > small achievement. > > >I thought that none of the > >omissions/alterations/additions were especially > annoying or gratuitous, > > I agree. I thought some of them were even some quite > smart moves. > > >occasionally there was something that closely > coincided with my own > >visualization, and maybe edged my mental picture a > bit closer to what was on > >screen (Rivendell), but for the most part what > didn't mesh with my mind's > >eye still seemed solid even if it did not in any > way alter my own > >imagination (most of the Moria sequence). > > Interesting. In my case, I'd say about 90% of it > matched the visuals I had > in my head. So far so good :-) > > > > Alex. > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ===== Duc De Montfort http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort Le Duc's Trade list http://www.geocities.com/mikemontfort/index.html ________________________________________ The superior man makes the difficulty to be overcome his first interest; success only comes later. Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 14 18:09:46 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:09:46 -0000 Subject: BOC: Sorry to disrupt the party... Message-ID: But does anyone have any news on the rumours about a BOC UK tour in 2002? Cheers, Rich. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Jan 14 19:06:45 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bo Hansson, formerly prognames in LotR Message-ID: >>Not quite the same thing, but my own favorite Tolkien-linked musical work is >>definitely Bo Hansson's 'Music Inspired by Lord of the Rings'. > >I once saw this album on vinyl some years ago and made the mistake not to >buy it. I've been hoping to find it again since, but I couldn't remember >the guy's name. Maybe I can dig it up now :-) What kind of music is it, BTW? Bo Hansson's solo works (which actually all have numerous guests) are all-instrumental, melodic, and very progressive (though I think quite accessible), and are built around his Hammond organ playing which is of very high caliber indeed (he also plays lots of other instruments including early synths, piano, keys, guitar, etc.). There are jazz, folk, rock, and classical influences, but they are subsumed into his very distinctive and unique style. The 'Lord of the Rings' disc has a fairly mellow and haunting feel to it overall (if it wasn't likely to prejudice you against it I might say new-agey, but in a very good way), while the followups ('Magicians Hat' and 'Attic Thoughts') get more lively and 'happy', though there is always a feeling of melancholy just below the surface (and often above it as well). These 3 are available at major on-line retailers (CDNOW, Amazon, etc.), and you can hear sound snippets there too, though lately I notice LotR is only listed as being available in an expensive import version (maybe the movie sparked interest and old stock disappeared as a result). His last solo release, 'Music Inspired by Watership Down' from 1977, is a bit different, as it's almost a collaboration with guitarist Kenny Hakansson, though it's still recognizably Hansson and I like it just as much as the others, though for slightly different reasons. Unfortunately its never been released on CD AFAIK, which is a huge shame - somebody should wake up and re-issue this ASAP! Also available is a compilation of his early work as half of the duo Hansson & Karlsson, which I had not heard until picking up the comp - just 2 musicians (organ and drums) produce some amazing music, it often sounds like Bo has 3 hands - overall it is recognizably Bo but with a much stronger rock component. Definitely give this one a try if you like his solo work. Stephan From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Jan 14 19:18:20 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:18:20 -0700 Subject: HW: song reference Message-ID: Well, I was watching the movie Dreamscape and caught the reference to a song title. When I went to check the song reference page by Andy Gilham I discovered it wasn't there. Is there another song reference page somewhere else? The other Mark L. From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jan 15 02:41:56 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:41:56 -0700 Subject: HW: Porcupine pastiche Message-ID: I think it's a tape transfer done by a friend:) I don't know if it's commercially available as yet...... Pam Jill Strobridge wrote: > When did the CD come out and is it available? Apparently there were > only 10 copies of the original tape and Steve Wilson didn't have any of > them according to the album sleeve notes - but who believes those? > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton > To: > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Porcupine pastiche > > > I have the CD it's on, " Love,Death & Mousilini E.P. I'll be happy to > trade > > ya:) > > Pam > > > > Jill Strobridge wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: K Henderson mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone out there have the vinyl-edition of Porcupine > Tree's > > > first > > > > album (YHD) on Gates of Dawn...the one with the pseudo-cover of > > > "Magnu" > > > > called "Out?" I'd really like to hear it, and there ain't no way > I'm > > > going > > > > > > Good gracious me. So it is! And I've never listened to it since > I > > > also have the CD and didn't realise there was a change in the > > > tracklisting! I do feel ashamed now. Thank you for pointing > that > > > out! Sadly I can't do you a CDR so I'll have to leave that to > other > > > folk with more technical expertise than I have. > > > > > > jill > > > > -- > > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace ; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:01:58AM +0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:01:58AM +0000, M Holmes typed out: > K Henderson writes: > > > Gemm.com isn't a 'store', but rather a large consortium of other generally > > independant-type mail order businesses that have all agreed to put their own > > catalogs into the Gemm.com system in order to provide users a quick way of > > searching for a particular item throughout many a business. > > > > But it's a fabulous device to have available and I wish that more dealers > > that I commonly order from were part of it. > > Yep, these things are great. I've also been using Bibliofind.com > (recently acquired by Yahoo?) to find out of print books with > considerable success. I worked in this area for most of last year... Bibliofind got bought by Amazon, and are now much less use, principally because if a search fails it dumps you in the main Amazon search pages; it only searches the OOP stock if you start the search from the Bibliofind web-page. Quite why they bothered to acquire and then make it near unusable is beyond me. However, there are others. The ones I'd recommend are ABE Books or for the really difficult stuff the unwieldy and massive Bookfinder . Both are Gemm-like listings sites for many booksellers, but Bookfinder is more European; ABE itself lists through it, but as I say it's almost too large to use (which isn't to say you can't defeat it every now and then). Once you get out of English-language it gets a bit more particular: ZVAB is pretty good for German stuff, for French stuff the only one I know of that doesn't list through ABE is Galaxidion but they're not very big; in Spain there's Iberlibro . If you can't pick up what you're after through one of these you probably need a specialist. Bear in mind that most people who offer a booksearch service are just going to go to these search engines and charge a tenner extra for the privilege. Save yourself the money, is my advice. Yours, Jon ObCD: I. E. M. - _Have Come For Your Children_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Tue Jan 15 13:59:49 2002 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:59:49 -0000 Subject: Test Ignore In-Reply-To: <20020115125514.A6367@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: IdentD Test From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 15 14:41:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:41:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Books (was Re: A good souce for HW cds/lps??) In-Reply-To: <20020115125514.A6367@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 12:55:14PM +0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 12:55:14PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > However, there are others. The ones I'd recommend are ABE Books > or for the really difficult stuff the unwieldy > and massive Bookfinder . Both are Gemm-like > listings sites for many booksellers, but Bookfinder is more European; ABE > itself lists through it, but as I say it's almost too large to use (which > isn't to say you can't defeat it every now and then). Oh, it's not that hard. I stumped 'em both first try. "Hype", of course :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 16 06:39:00 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:39:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Bo Hansson, formerly prognames in LotR In-Reply-To: Stephan Forstner's message of Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: Stephan Forstner writes: > Bo Hansson's solo works (which actually all have numerous guests) are > all-instrumental, melodic, and very progressive (though I think quite > accessible) I'd definitely recommend "Music Inspired by The Snow Goose". FoFP From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Jan 16 13:16:42 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:16:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bo Hansson, formerly prognames in LotR In-Reply-To: <200201161139.LAA03488@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Shirley that was Camel... I rather liked "The Magician's Hat" (which was released after LotR in the UK), but it was a long time ago that I last heard it - so I don't know how well it stands up now... ChrisW At 11:39 16/01/02, you wrote: >Stephan Forstner writes: > > > Bo Hansson's solo works (which actually all have numerous guests) are > > all-instrumental, melodic, and very progressive (though I think quite > > accessible) > >I'd definitely recommend "Music Inspired by The Snow Goose". > >FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 16 13:39:07 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:39:07 GMT Subject: OFF: Bo Hansson, formerly prognames in LotR In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > >I'd definitely recommend "Music Inspired by The Snow Goose". > Shirley that was Camel... So it was. It was a long time ago.... FoFP From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Jan 16 16:13:18 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:13:18 -0500 Subject: HW: A couple of very rare scans for your perusal Message-ID: Can be found at; http://the-rocker.netfirms.com/bbc.html Click on pic for 100% scan From spacehead at STONEDVISIONARY.COM Wed Jan 16 16:58:41 2002 From: spacehead at STONEDVISIONARY.COM (Mr -Dibs) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:58:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: NEW SPACEHEAD ALBUM Message-ID: Hey there, Explode Into Space is the new album, a collection of alternate mixes and outtakes, and is available NOW from Andy G. cat no. DERNCD66. Hope you enjoy it, the new studio album proper is very nearly complete, with a late summer release pencilled in. Hi to everyone I met on the Hawktour (Hi Arin!), roll on the next one. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Jan 16 22:38:15 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:38:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: Er, right. Hello, is this thing on? *tap tap tap* (I'm going to get a kicking for this one...) After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat down and downloaded some tracks. Hmm. Splendid. If I'd never heard Hawkwind, or Alien Planetscapes, I'd think it was fantastic. Maybe I need to get back to smoking those funny big herbal cigarettes (Something I've not done for many a year now) but to me it sounds like a bunch of blokes doing a very good Hawkwind impersonation. Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Jan 16 22:45:20 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:45:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: > > Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? > Sorry, sorry.... "Emperor's". Arse. Too many beers. Cheers, Rich. From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Wed Jan 16 22:58:11 2002 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:58:11 -0600 Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: Yup Rick you missed the point. Don't ever listen to anything besides Hawkwind. Any other space rock is just imitating them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: HW: Mr Beardy's Quim > Er, right. Hello, is this thing on? *tap tap tap* > > (I'm going to get a kicking for this one...) > > After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat > down and downloaded some tracks. Hmm. Splendid. If I'd never heard > Hawkwind, or Alien Planetscapes, I'd think it was fantastic. > > Maybe I need to get back to smoking those funny big herbal cigarettes > (Something I've not done for many a year now) but to me it sounds like a > bunch of blokes doing a very good Hawkwind impersonation. > > Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 01:39:15 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:39:15 EST Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: In a message dated 1/16/02 11:09:17 PM, Warren_Oates at MSN.COM writes: << Don't ever listen to anything besides Hawkwind. Any other space rock is just imitating them. >> ======= not much of a life you've got there, comrade. "<>" ...since 1972 From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 03:30:39 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:30:39 EST Subject: OFF Re: HW: Mr Beardy's Quim YES OFF Message-ID: In a message dated 17/01/02 2:16:13 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > Sorry, sorry.... > > "Emperor's". > > Arse. Too many beers. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > Thou temptest me good sir knight - but note - i have refrained from being a klown as i too often succumb to long live hawkwind/boc-l From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 03:34:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:34:44 EST Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: In a message dated 17/01/02 2:39:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Warren_Oates at MSN.COM writes: > Yup Rick you missed the point. > > Don't ever listen to anything besides Hawkwind. Any other space rock is > just imitating them. > i agree hawkwind is the ultimate space rock - i may have to reassess my alien dream project perhaps label it as - asteroid rock? - moon rock? once again i recommend yule ritual too anyone who has not yet aquired... From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 03:36:59 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:36:59 EST Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: In a message dated 17/01/02 5:10:45 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > not much of a life you've got there, comrade. > > "<>" > ...since 1972 > ( 8>B ) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 03:46:06 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:46:06 EST Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/02 3:38:08 AM, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: << ( 8>B ) >> I dont know what you're implying here but my suggestion to you is F*CK OFF From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 17 08:15:26 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:15:26 +0800 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell Message-ID: Hi all Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. Has anyone got this? Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of collecting "all things related to Hawkwind? Cheers Bill From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Thu Jan 17 08:19:07 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:19:07 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell Message-ID: I think you spent well. Although some of the solo stuff that came out of Hawkwind was luke warm at best. Hawkwind is certainly one of those bands where the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts. Captain Mikel Anubis -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Cynthia [mailto:freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:15 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell Hi all Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. Has anyone got this? Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of collecting "all things related to Hawkwind? Cheers Bill From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jan 17 06:10:45 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:10:45 -0500 Subject: Off: re Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: my guess is long in the tooth?? tim DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 1/17/02 3:38:08 AM, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > > << ( 8>B ) >> > > I dont know what you're implying here > but my suggestion to you is > F*CK OFF From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 17 08:49:03 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:49:03 +0800 Subject: Steve Swindell Message-ID: Erik Schroeder wrote: > I think you spent well. Although some of the solo stuff that came out of > Hawkwind was luke warm at best. Hawkwind is certainly one of those bands > where the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts. > > Captain Mikel Anubis > Ah good. I eagerly await it then :-) I think he left Hawkwind for being to "boppy." His song "shot down in the night" is okay tho. Cheers Bill From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Jan 17 09:58:49 2002 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:58:49 -0600 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: >After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat >Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? I not sure there is a point anymore Rich. All these clone bands are good, but like a Bic lighter after a few months I need a new one. All I'm looking for is a band with a tight aggressive rhythm section (bass/drums) like say B Sabbath! An analog synth player that likes mellatrons (sp?) and computer chirps. And most important a rhythm guitarist that has TONE! (this is where most get lost IMO). A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens is optional, but a crazy diamond for a singer is a big plus. tired of fast food, -- Doug Bates From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Thu Jan 17 10:11:03 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:11:03 -0500 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: If that is what you crave then you might like the Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Captain Mikel Anubis Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis International Fellowship of Isis I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS Herself created the Planet Earth. Ankh Udja Seneb!!! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Mr Beardy's Quim >After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat >Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? I not sure there is a point anymore Rich. All these clone bands are good, but like a Bic lighter after a few months I need a new one. All I'm looking for is a band with a tight aggressive rhythm section (bass/drums) like say B Sabbath! An analog synth player that likes mellatrons (sp?) and computer chirps. And most important a rhythm guitarist that has TONE! (this is where most get lost IMO). A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens is optional, but a crazy diamond for a singer is a big plus. tired of fast food, -- Doug Bates From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 17 11:45:55 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:45:55 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell Message-ID: > Erik Schroeder wrote: > >> I think you spent well. Although some of the solo stuff that came out of >> Hawkwind was luke warm at best. Hawkwind is certainly one of those bands >> where the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts. >> >> Captain Mikel Anubis >> > Ah good. I eagerly await it then :-) B&C... I like it too! It's a fun album. I haven't heard in years though, since I almost never play any of my vinyl and that's one of the few things still not on CD (am I right about that?). Of course, Shot Down in the Night is a good one on there, and my brother and I still occasionally make jokes citing "Don't Wait on the Stairs," which nobody else gets. The one song there, "Bitter And Twisted" was remade by Roger Daltry for a soundtrack album (ooooh, can't remember the name). It's not really a good song I don't think (as done by Swindells), can't remember if Daltry's was any better. Anyway, from reports of Swindells' earlier solo work "Messages" (from dire to worse), you got the better of the two. Grakkl (FAA), who still remembers where he bought his copy of FB in c. 1981, and even the particular area of the store that it was in. Right across from the new album display where I first dipped into Motorhead's No Sleep 'till Hammersmith (a terrible mistake). :) The bong counter was just there too. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 17 14:25:47 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:25:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell Message-ID: Yes, excellent. And Steve's Shot Down in the Night single. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 January 2002 13:16 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell > Hi all > >Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. > >Has anyone got this? > >Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of collecting "all >things related to Hawkwind? > >Cheers >Bill > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jan 17 13:35:37 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:35:37 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell In-Reply-To: <200201171704.MAA14764@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:45:55AM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:45:55AM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > "Bitter And Twisted" was remade by Roger Daltry for a soundtrack album > (ooooh, can't remember the name). McVicar. > It's not really a good song I don't think > (as done by Swindells), can't remember if Daltry's was any better. I rather liked it -- both versions. But then, I was pretty bitter and twisted myself in those days.... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jan 17 14:08:09 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:08:09 -0500 Subject: HW: eBay -- autographed single Message-ID: In case any kollectors are interested, someone's selling an autographed "scarce French 45" of Lord of the Hornets / Greenfly and the Rose. It's at ?22 -- yikes! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1502721211 P.S.: There's HW stuff there all the time. No way I'm about to start cluttering up the list with all of it, but this one looked as though the right person might *really* want to hear about it. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 17 15:39:10 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:39:10 -0000 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell Message-ID: Hi Bill, I have it and love it. Some slightly subersive lyrics (Figures of Authority) and great music. COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell > Hi all > > Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. > > Has anyone got this? > > Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of collecting "all > things related to Hawkwind? > > Cheers > Bill > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 16:26:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:26:00 EST Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: In a message dated 18/01/02 1:41:39 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM writes: > If that is what you crave then you might like the Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra > > Captain Mikel Anubis > > Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis > > International Fellowship of Isis > > I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS > Herself created the Planet Earth. > > Ankh Udja Seneb!!! > i am curious to learn more of what you mentioned above - or are you excersising you creative writing skills? :-) Michaelangelo68 at aol.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jan 17 18:50:55 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:50:55 -0500 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around Message-ID: I think the point (IMO)is that there is room for more than 1 space-rock band in this universe,and i don't think that MQB can be considered a Hawkwind clone. Much as both the Rolling Stones & The Beatles used the same basic musical influences and ended up with two different sounds...but 1 was not a clone of the other. while both H & MQB use the same (genre,style,type??) of musical backgrounds,just because one came first,and pretty much invented the sound,i think MQB uses that to go into a different (place,space,universe??).and while i'm babbling here,i would like to thank everyone who turned me on to MQB in the first place,having never heard of them 'til i got Boc-l-d. tim ps:for another style of space music,listen to some of Chopin done played on piano only Doug Bates wrote: > > >After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat > > >Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? > > I not sure there is a point anymore Rich. All these clone bands are > good, but like a Bic lighter after a few months I need a new one. All > I'm looking for is a band with a tight aggressive rhythm section > (bass/drums) > like say B Sabbath! An analog synth player that likes mellatrons (sp?) and > computer chirps. And most important a rhythm guitarist that has TONE! (this > is where most get lost IMO). A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens > is optional, but a crazy diamond for a singer is a big plus. > > tired of fast food, > > -- > Doug Bates From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jan 17 19:17:00 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500 Subject: off:some musical assistance Message-ID: hi,all you've been helpful in the past recommending music... MQB really like 'em Porcupine Tree not bad,really liked Signify; Sky Moves Sideways not as enjoyable (IMO) Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your votes,please: amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 gong - live on tv 1990 ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent " - erpland Please vote for the best 2 out of the four (IYHOs) thanx tim From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 17 19:26:01 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:26:01 EST Subject: off:some musical assistance Message-ID: In a message dated 18/01/02 10:48:51 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > hi,all > you've been helpful in the past recommending music... > MQB really like 'em > Porcupine Tree not bad,really liked Signify; Sky Moves Sideways not as > enjoyable (IMO) > Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your > votes,please: > amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 > gong - live on tv 1990 > ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent > " - erpland > > What about alien dream "teehee" From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 17 19:27:58 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:27:58 -0600 Subject: off:some musical assistance Message-ID: Don't bother with Gong Live on TV, it's certainly not the best of the GONG live CD, it lacks something. Pungent Effulgent and Erpland are both excellent albums. I haven't heard the Amon Duul stuff so I can't answer for that. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: off:some musical assistance > hi,all > you've been helpful in the past recommending music... > MQB really like 'em > Porcupine Tree not bad,really liked Signify; Sky Moves Sideways not as enjoyable (IMO) > Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your votes,please: > amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 > gong - live on tv 1990 > ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent > " - erpland > > Please vote for the best 2 out of the four (IYHOs) > thanx > tim From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 17 20:57:11 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:57:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell Message-ID: Hi Bill I'd say you got a very good deal there. The going rate in the UK for 2nd- hand vinyl copies of this album (must be in excellent condition) is ?12, i.e. about 3 times what you paid for it. But I bought a trashed copy for 80p ha ha ha ha Steve ------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:15:26 +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Hi all > >Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. > >Has anyone got this? > >Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of collecting "all >things related to Hawkwind? > >Cheers >Bill From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 17 21:01:29 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: off:some musical assistance Message-ID: Tim, I'd vote for the 2 Ozrics albums. There is a school of thought that says if you have 1 Ozrics album, you have all of them, but Pungent Effulgent was different from most of their ouvre (being their 1st proper album'n'all - Erpland was the second, I think) Steve On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500, Tim wrote: >hi,all >you've been helpful in the past recommending music... >MQB really like 'em >Porcupine Tree not bad,really liked Signify; Sky Moves Sideways not as enjoyable (IMO) >Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your votes,please: >amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 >gong - live on tv 1990 >ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent > " - erpland > >Please vote for the best 2 out of the four (IYHOs) >thanx >tim From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 17 21:06:27 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:06:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: some musical assistance Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500, Tim wrote: >Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your >votes,please: >amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 >gong - live on tv 1990 >ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent > " - erpland I'm probably the wrong person to ask, since I would strongly vote against all four. Although you can probably ignore my vote against the Ozrics discs, just 'cause I personally don't like 'em (remind me too much of the Grateful Dead, and not enough of Gong - YMMV). Even if you DO like them, buying an Ozric Tentacles album before owning all of Gong's best albums would be sort of like buyinga bunch of Farflung & MQB albums without owning 'Doremi Fasol Latido' and 'Quark, Strangeness & Charm'. For the other two bands, you'd do MUCH better to start with their albums that include Hawkwind members. Amon Du?l's first two albums (with Dave Anderson), 'Phallus Dei' and 'Yeti' are BRILLIANT! And the next three, 'Carnival In Babylon', 'Dance of the Lemmings' and 'Wolf City' (all without Anderson) are also very good. The Radio 1 show was recorded a couple years after those. The top Gong albums are 'Flying Teapot', 'Angel's Egg' and 'You', all of which feature Tim Blake; there are also numerous live albums from that era (c.71-73) that are all much better than the 'TV 1990' one. The first two, pre-Blake, Gong albums ('Magic Brother/Mystic Sister' & "Camberet Electrique') are also great. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Thu Jan 17 21:13:09 2002 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc De Montfort) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:13:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: Hi all I am reading the Omnibus editions of Moorcocks Eternal Champion series published by White Wolf. I quote these excerpts with no intent of copy write violation and only to share this with fellow fans. I was delighted to see that the second Corum Volume, entitled Corum the Prince with the Silver Hand, has in it's introduction this dedication: "This heroic fantasy, a somewhat rougher beast than Dunsany's, is dedicated to all those old hippies with whom I shared an honest track or two in a kind of golden Celtic afternoon some years ago - Nik Turner, Dave Brock, Terry Ollis, Huw Lloyd Langton, Harvey Bainbridge, Simon House, Simon King, Pete Pavli, Graham Charnock, Bob Calvert, Adrian Shaw, Steve Gilmore, Lang Jones, Martin Griffin, Barnie Bubbles, Martin Stone and many others - when gods and heroes still knew how to have a damned good time." page VIII of the introduction. More allusions to Hawkwind are in the Hawkmoon book introduction: "The correspondences between this volume and the music, in particular, of Hawkwind are well-known but I was especially flattered when Sam Shepard, the writer and actor, told me he had named one of his verse collections after Hawkmoon. Later, on our album _The New World's Fair_, my band Deep Fix featured Shepard's lyrics in a song by Steve Gilmore. _Song for Marlene_ gave me my only chance to do my celebrated imitation of Marlene Dietrich in Shanghai Express, an opportunity for which I shall always thank Sam to whom, with my friend Mr. Ian Kilminster, I dedicate this particular edition which is also the first to include examples of James Cawthorn's legendary graphic versions of the first two books, which have been hard to come by for some years and are my favourite versions of the story. Mr Cawthorn has also drawn a new, more accurate map of Hawkmoon's world." page vii & viii of the introduction to Hawkmoon. Finally and I hope I have not bored you to tears with this, the Hawkmoon Omnibus contains in it four books, the first of which is dedicated to Dave Brock, and the fourth is dedicated to Nik Turner. The relationship btw Mike Moorcock and Hawkwind is of course well known to myself and all of you, but I thought I would share these bits of dedication with the faithful Le Duc Mike Montfort. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 17 21:22:52 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:22:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by members of Hawkwind and their friends. I can't remember which book that's from, though. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 17 21:47:34 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:47:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: DoPe says... >My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up >at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by >members of Hawkwind and their friends. Hmmm...didn't seem to me that you'd need much more than c. 1973 Hawkwind themselves to fill up half of the Mtn Grill, or at least George's Fish Bar (as it was in 1986). BTW, does anybody know where the school playground is that the band is pictured on the sleeve to the Mtn Grill album? Is that in the Ladbroke/Notting Hill area somewhere? I remember strolling around the Portobello Rd. area wondering if I might run across it. At least I walked under the infamous overpass. Grakkl (FAA), who *still* doesn't know exactly what the dirty slang is behind the MQB/MBQ moniker, not being entirely blighty-compatible, but isn't so prudish not to have multiple theories and spending a little time thinking about it, and who also would rather listen to the full-length restored rock opera version of Made in Germany (Repertoire) by Amon Duul II than listen to all of Yeti, which is fantastically blasphemous I know, but I think Side 3 is the essence of something that works perfectly well at 6 min. (as on Side 4) (so why play it for 20?), and then well...they just couldn't figure out what else to record and the RAF were holed up in their studio or something and so they couldn't do anything else to fill up that side of vinyl...but then who also feels (like everyone else) that Wolf City is an absolute stunner, and that all the other ones around then are damn good too, and who also isn't quite sure whether it would have been preferable to hang out with Renate Knaup (of ADII) or Uschi Obermaier (of ADI, who merely played with her maracas for the crowd's amusement). From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 17 22:16:27 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: Following up in Eric's (did the slides come?) footsteps with a single item of potential import to someone here... A sealed copy of Farflung's 25K'/sec on Ebay here... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1502316434 (Virginia) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. NB: You must prove that you own both Doremi and Quark before being allowed to purchase this CD! Ebay rules. :) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 01:01:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:01:25 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: In a message dated 18/01/02 12:53:16 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up > at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by > members of Hawkwind and their friends. I can't remember which book that's > from, though. > Must be in a collecion other than the Dancers at the end of time must seek that out just for the fun of it ;-) From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jan 18 03:58:11 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:58:11 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: What an excedlingly interesting book. I think I'll understand it better on the second reading. I have all but the Corums, Count Brass, and the Elrics in the omnibus editions:) Good stuff, all of it. I'm slowly working on the collection. I've Corum & Elric in separate books. Good reading all. Gloriana is really weird.I've another fairly new one that I've spaced the title to, a start of a trilogy? Recommended reading from my viewpoint:) Pam Michael W Blackman wrote: > In a message dated 18/01/02 12:53:16 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up > > at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by > > members of Hawkwind and their friends. I can't remember which book that's > > from, though. > > > > Must be in a collecion other than the Dancers at the end of time > must seek that out just for the fun of it > ;-) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace In a message dated 18/01/02 7:24:16 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM writes: > What an excedlingly interesting book. I think I'll understand it better on > the > second reading. I have all but the Corums, Count Brass, and the Elrics in > the > omnibus editions:) Good stuff, all of it. I'm slowly working on the > collection. > I've Corum & Elric in separate books. Good reading all. Gloriana is really > weird.I've another fairly new one that I've spaced the title to, a start of > a > trilogy? Recommended reading from my viewpoint:) > Pam > Truly a unique read ( as far as I know). The corum omnibus is so cool! Haven't read Count Brass yet - except for what is in Hawkmoon (on 2nd reading). Elric Of Melnibone and Stormbringer collection - excellent, excellent!!!! I particularly love VON BEK in the omnibus and sailing to utopia is very cool as well. I would love to see some (no... as much as possible) Moorcock on the big screen if it could be done with the same scope as the recently released Fellowship of the Ring. What an imagination Michael Moorcock has!!! I eagerly await the new Hawkwind/moorcock collaboration as well!!! From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Jan 18 05:15:53 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:15:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: Keith - What label did you say you thought was supposed to be releasing a new Farflung? I just got a message from John Perez at Liquid Sound Records that he'll be releasing a new (as yet untitled) Farflung CD in June. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Jan 18 05:18:38 2002 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:18:38 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: Dear boclers Duc De Montfort wrote, wisely, >"This heroic fantasy, a somewhat rougher beast than Dunsany's, is > dedicated to all those old hippies with whom I shared an honest track or > two in a kind of golden Celtic afternoon some years ago > Martin Stone Ok, so who is he? Mike w Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 18 05:31:59 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:31:59 +0200 Subject: NIK: Nik Turner & 5.15 gig report Message-ID: Hi! Nik Turner and 5.15 gig report now online. Go to FinnWind page. http://www.saunalahti.fi/micci Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.saunalahti.fi/micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jan 18 06:12:30 2002 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:12:30 -0000 Subject: re musical assistance Message-ID: you can't go far wrong with Spacehead, my spacey chums, check out the new comp on Dead earnest....that'll be mr Andy of G. From spacehead at STONEDVISIONARY.COM Fri Jan 18 06:24:23 2002 From: spacehead at STONEDVISIONARY.COM (Mr -Dibs) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:24:23 -0500 Subject: lost e-mail addresses Message-ID: Hi, I had a few mails of peeps, and accidentally wiped them, doh! please mail me again, so I can store yer addresses properly, ta! From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Fri Jan 18 06:42:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:42:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells Message-ID: Yes, you'll like "Fresh Blood" - although the strongest two tracks (FOA and SDITN) are right at the end, so do persevere! Huw L-L and Simon King feature throughout the album, and Simon's drumming is especially fabulous on the last two songs, see my http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ for a couple of brief samples... Steve Litchfield From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 18 06:48:21 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:48:21 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:01:43 EST Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > I would love to see some (no... as much as possible) Moorcock on the big > screen if it could be done with the same scope as the recently released > Fellowship of the Ring. I was thinking of sending Jackson the first Amber series. Done in his style, they would be fantastic on film. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 18 06:26:58 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:26:58 EDT Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Jan 2002, at 18:50, Tim wrote: A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens > is optional, Say, What's Steve up to these days? He's one of the best ever... theo From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 18 07:40:17 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:40:17 +0800 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells Message-ID: I've just heard "figures of authority" and like it :-) Thanks to everyone for their positive feedback. My first win/bid on ebay and I have a winner. This could be dangerous..... Excellent site on Simon King, Steve. I was surprised to learn that Simon rehearsed for the Levitation album. I must go back and d/l some samples of that. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: HW: Steve Swindells > Yes, you'll like "Fresh Blood" - although the strongest two tracks (FOA > and SDITN) are right at the end, so do persevere! Huw L-L and Simon King > feature throughout the album, and Simon's drumming is especially fabulous > on the last two songs, see my http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ for a > couple of brief samples... > > Steve Litchfield > From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 18 07:41:18 2002 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:41:18 -0000 Subject: lost e-mail addresses Message-ID: Home e-mail is Neil at chaosillumi.f9.co.uk and Marie at chaosillumi.f9.co.uk This address is work only now I was reading a New Scientist last night, they were going on about a theory that black holes might not exist and that they are really 'gravastars'. Anyway they mentioned 'Dark Energy'. I thought it would be a great song title to follw 'Dark Matter'. You just have to get some music together now... http://snap.lbl.gov/brochure/ See you at weekend maybe? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr -Dibs" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: lost e-mail addresses > Hi, I had a few mails of peeps, and accidentally wiped them, doh! please > mail me again, so I can store yer addresses properly, ta! From kruch7 at HOME.COM Fri Jan 18 08:31:44 2002 From: kruch7 at HOME.COM (Joseph Elric Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:31:44 -0500 Subject: lost e-mail addresses Message-ID: My email address will be changing in the next month how do I subscribe my new address? Ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comic Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr -Dibs" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: lost e-mail addresses > Hi, I had a few mails of peeps, and accidentally wiped them, doh! please > mail me again, so I can store yer addresses properly, ta! > From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Fri Jan 18 09:23:16 2002 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc de Montfort) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:23:16 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments In-Reply-To: <15a.768d2e9.29793e77@aol.com> Message-ID: --- Michael W Blackman wrote: > In a message dated 18/01/02 7:24:16 PM Cen.> I particularly love VON BEK in the omnibus and > sailing to utopia is very cool > as well. I'm reading the Von Bek Omnibus now. The most amazing thing is the incredible maturity of the writing vs. the Elric or Hawkmoon or Corum works. Very deep philosophical treaties on Freedom of Man and freedom from tyranny. Le Duc ===== Duc De Montfort http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort Le Duc's Trade list http://www.geocities.com/mikemontfort/index.html ________________________________________ The superior man makes the difficulty to be overcome his first interest; success only comes later. Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 10:13:00 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:13:00 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/02 9:23:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up > at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by > members of Hawkwind and their friends. I can't remember which book that's > from, though. > > That's in 'The Entropy Tango' isn't it? I remember reading that, too, and I seem to recall it was in one of the latter books. Also: 'An Alien Heat,' the first of "The Dancers at the End of Time" series has a dedication to HW, Doremi-era, I think. Joe From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Jan 18 11:12:03 2002 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:12:03 -0600 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: Well your using all the right buzzwords, where can I get a CD? -- Doug Bates If that is what you crave then you might like the Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Captain Mikel Anubis Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis International Fellowship of Isis I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS Herself created the Planet Earth. Ankh Udja Seneb!!! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Mr Beardy's Quim >After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat >Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? I not sure there is a point anymore Rich. All these clone bands are good, but like a Bic lighter after a few months I need a new one. All I'm looking for is a band with a tight aggressive rhythm section (bass/drums) like say B Sabbath! An analog synth player that likes mellatrons (sp?) and computer chirps. And most important a rhythm guitarist that has TONE! (this is where most get lost IMO). A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens is optional, but a crazy diamond for a singer is a big plus. tired of fast food, -- Doug Bates From Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM Fri Jan 18 11:14:24 2002 From: Erik_Schroeder at GS.SHI.COM (Erik Schroeder) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:14:24 -0500 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim Message-ID: We will be recording soon. I will keep everyone updated. Captain Mikel Anubis Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis International Fellowship of Isis I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS Herself created the Planet Earth. Ankh Udja Seneb!!! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:12 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Mr Beardy's Quim Well your using all the right buzzwords, where can I get a CD? -- Doug Bates If that is what you crave then you might like the Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Captain Mikel Anubis Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis International Fellowship of Isis I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS Herself created the Planet Earth. Ankh Udja Seneb!!! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Mr Beardy's Quim >After hearing so many good things about Mr Quimby's beard, I've finally sat >Emporer's new clothes, or have I missed the point? I not sure there is a point anymore Rich. All these clone bands are good, but like a Bic lighter after a few months I need a new one. All I'm looking for is a band with a tight aggressive rhythm section (bass/drums) like say B Sabbath! An analog synth player that likes mellatrons (sp?) and computer chirps. And most important a rhythm guitarist that has TONE! (this is where most get lost IMO). A flashy lead guitarist like Steve Stevens is optional, but a crazy diamond for a singer is a big plus. tired of fast food, -- Doug Bates From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Jan 18 11:15:06 2002 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:15:06 -0600 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around Message-ID: He (and Billy Idol) are clean and back together, doing a few gigs last year along with VH1 Story Tellers thing. Catch this if you can the acoustic version of Rebel Yell is stunning. Steve has done a few CDs with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio in a Band called Black Light Syndrome recently. Both are very good instrumentals. He has a new solo CD I just got, Flamenco a Go Go, jeez the man has talents that boggle my mind. get'em here http://www.guitar9.com/blacklightsyn.html -- Doug Bates Say, What's Steve up to these days? He's one of the best ever... From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jan 18 11:34:15 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:34:15 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: yes. Elric would be a wonderful movie, as would the Amber series:) Pam M Holmes wrote: > Michael W Blackman writes: > > > I would love to see some (no... as much as possible) Moorcock on the big > > screen if it could be done with the same scope as the recently released > > Fellowship of the Ring. > > I was thinking of sending Jackson the first Amber series. Done in his > style, they would be fantastic on film. > > FoFP -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:18:38 -0000, Wright, Mike wrote: > >> Martin Stone > >Ok, so who is he? > Martin "Mad Dog" Stone- guitarist in early 70s psych band who's name escapes me, but they were described by Moorcock as playing "raga rock". Subsequently played very briefly with the Pink Fairies- appears on their 1976 single "Between The Lines", I don't think he appears on any other PFs recordings. After this he gave up music and became a book dealer. I believe he has lived in Paris for many years. There are all sorts of stories about him- he was apparently incommunicado with many of his friends for years and they thought he was dead. He appeared in a Channel 4 TV programme featuring Moorcock and writer Iain Sinclair a few years ago. The programme (again the name escapes me) was a rather, er, impressionistic survey of some of the eccentric characters who populate the London literary and second-hand book dealing scenes. Stone came across as quite an oddball although the non- linear nature of the programme made it difficult to glean much more than this. There's a page on him at Larry wallis' site at: http://www.pinkfairies.co.uk/ click on "Long Riders Log" and then on "Martin Stone". Nick M From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 18 10:42:08 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:42:08 EDT Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Jan 2002, at 10:15, Doug Bates wrote: > He (and Billy Idol) are clean and back together, doing a few gigs last > year along with VH1 Story Tellers thing. Catch this if you can the > acoustic version of Rebel Yell is stunning. Steve has done a few CDs > with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio in a Band called Black Light Syndrome > recently. Both are very good instrumentals. He has a new solo CD I > just got, Flamenco a Go Go, jeez the man has talents that boggle my > mind. get'em here http://www.guitar9.com/blacklightsyn.html > Yeah, I have one of the Bozio/Levin/Stevens discs, and it's great. I was wondering more about what he's doing lately, as the B/L/S stuff is a couple years old... Theo [who has 3 Steve Stevens model Hamers at the ranch!] From coral at APORT.RU Fri Jan 18 11:45:32 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:45:32 +0300 Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: Hello! I need some help on this question: What record companies release synth space/ambient albums? thanks, Alisa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 18 11:30:01 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:30:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: >Keith - What label did you say you thought was supposed to be releasing a >new Farflung? I just got a message from John Perez at Liquid Sound Records >that he'll be releasing a new (as yet untitled) Farflung CD in June. > >Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) >Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio >http://Aural-Innovations.com Falcata-Galia, with one of those funny little hooks on the bottom of the 'c', so it's pronounced (I assume), Fall-SAH-ta Galia. www.falcata-galia.com It's cat. # 18 on the label I remember. Rudy, the labelowner, just posted to RMP actually a day or two ago, about starting a e-zine (or possibly print as well) about experimental, progressive, etc. music in Eastern Europe. He's big into that scene...wasn't sure though if he were interested in bringing Eastern music west, or Western music east. Perhaps both. I think the label is somehow related to Transparency, the one that released the Nik Turner TG Friends & Relations that features Farflung of course. Keith P.S. It isn't the Myth of Solid Ground they're releasing is it? (Well, that obviously has a title, so perhaps not.) Are they a US label? From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Jan 18 11:41:20 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:41:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: Well I have a copy of Law and chaos which was Wendi peen collection of the effort of her attempt to make an animated elric move, for grad school I think. ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comic Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff & Pam Wheaton" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments > yes. Elric would be a wonderful movie, as would the Amber series:) > Pam > > M Holmes wrote: > > > Michael W Blackman writes: > > > > > I would love to see some (no... as much as possible) Moorcock on the big > > > screen if it could be done with the same scope as the recently released > > > Fellowship of the Ring. > > > > I was thinking of sending Jackson the first Amber series. Done in his > > style, they would be fantastic on film. > > > > FoFP > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 12:01:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:01:51 EST Subject: lost e-mail addresses Message-ID: In a message dated 19/01/02 12:05:19 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, kruch7 at HOME.COM writes: > My email address will be changing in the next month how do I subscribe my > new address? > Mission control has the link to the subscribe page http://www.hawkwind.org.uk enter via the launch module thingy then scroll down untill you see the reference to group lists whalla!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 12:10:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:10:56 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: In a message dated 19/01/02 12:53:59 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM writes: > I'm reading the Von Bek Omnibus now. The most amazing > thing is the incredible maturity of the writing vs. > the Elric or Hawkmoon or Corum works. Very deep > philosophical treaties on Freedom of Man and freedom > from tyranny. > I agree 100%. Its not all that often that I find a book that gets me hooked from page 1. The Von Bek omnibus is definatly one of them. From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jan 18 12:15:42 2002 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:15:42 -0700 Subject: record companies for synth space/ambient In-Reply-To: <000901c1a03f$8c4069e0$c6f0bec2@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Centaur Discs (I guess I beat Andy G to this one...). KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Alice > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:46 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient > > > Hello! > > I need some help on this question: > > What record companies release synth space/ambient albums? > > thanks, > Alisa From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 18 12:17:41 2002 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:17:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: Hi Alice, http://www.synthmusicdirect.com Check out this site, it is wonderful if you are into electronic music. There are reviews, links to the major labels/bands, and the ordering service is second to none in the UK. http://www.groove.nl Is also another site packed with information and offering a good order service. Cheers, Mark C. >From: Alice >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:45:32 +0300 > >Hello! > >I need some help on this question: > >What record companies release synth space/ambient albums? > >thanks, >Alisa _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 12:18:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:18:12 EST Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: In a message dated 19/01/02 3:17:02 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > Hello! > > I need some help on this question: > > What record companies release synth space/ambient albums? I, too, would love to know this.... From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jan 18 12:43:14 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:43:14 -0600 Subject: HW: Second Hand Prices Message-ID: Just Out of Interest How much are these going for at the minute: 25 Years On 4CD Box Set - Griffin Quark Strangeness and Charm CD - Virgin Warrior CD - Dojo Rich W From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Jan 18 13:13:07 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:13:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments In-Reply-To: <200201180306.WAA16205@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:47:34PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:47:34PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > DoPe says... > > >My favorite Hawkwind/Moorcock moment is when Jerry Cornelius & co. show up > >at the Mountain Grill and find that half of the restaurant is occupied by > >members of Hawkwind and their friends. Jerry sitting on the bank of the Thames, with the ruins of London all around, listening to HW on his Walkman (well, not by that name; it was written years before the tech got good enough to build such a thing). And of course The Black Corridor (Space Ritual excerpt, that is), which counts for purposes of this thread because it also appeared in the novel :-) > Hmmm...didn't seem to me that you'd need much more than c. 1973 Hawkwind > themselves to fill up half of the Mtn Grill, or at least George's Fish Bar > (as it was in 1986). We did a fair job ourselves, the morning after the Astoria gig a year ago :-) No band members, alas... Now it's The Famous Mountain Grill or some such. Guess a lot of people've been asking about it over the years. The question is, is it famous to anyone else, or are there enough HW fans to have convinced George and Maria to change the name back? > I remember strolling around the > Portobello Rd. area [...] At least I walked > under the infamous overpass. And if you saw, on the hoarding under it, a graffito of the line "what is lost is never gained again", misattributed to Calvert, that'd be my doing :-) Under there is now a little upscale shopping mall. The wonders of gentrification. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Jan 18 13:16:45 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: lost e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <004201c1a024$78d9efe0$787ba8c0@hr.cox.net>; from kruch7@HOME.COM on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 08:31:44AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 08:31:44AM -0500, Joseph Elric Smith wrote: > My email address will be changing in the next month how do I subscribe my > new address? http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=boc-l&A=1 -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Jan 18 13:52:24 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:52:24 -0700 Subject: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around In-Reply-To: <3C480A0E.21043.510346@localhost> Message-ID: Terry Bozzio performed solo last week, here. Very impressive. See him if he comes to your town. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ted Jackson Subject: Re: Mr Beardy's Quim...not cloning around On 18 Jan 2002, at 10:15, Doug Bates wrote: > He (and Billy Idol) are clean and back together, doing a few gigs last > year along with VH1 Story Tellers thing. Catch this if you can the > acoustic version of Rebel Yell is stunning. Steve has done a few CDs > with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio in a Band called Black Light Syndrome > recently. Both are very good instrumentals. He has a new solo CD I > just got, Flamenco a Go Go, jeez the man has talents that boggle my > mind. get'em here http://www.guitar9.com/blacklightsyn.html > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 18 13:03:42 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:42 EDT Subject: terry bozzio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Jan 2002, at 11:52, Mark Licht wrote: > Terry Bozzio performed solo last week, here. Very impressive. See > him if he comes to your town. > Oh, he's amazing! I saw him play with Jeff Beck back in, I think, '95 or so. What a gig! theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 18 13:53:36 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:53:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: Oh, duh... >>Keith - What label did you say you thought was supposed to be releasing a >>new Farflung? I just got a message from John Perez at Liquid Sound Records >>that he'll be releasing a new (as yet untitled) Farflung CD in June. > >P.S. It isn't the Myth of Solid Ground they're releasing is it? (Well, >that obviously has a title, so perhaps not.) Are they a US label? If I'd read this more carefully, I'd have realized that this is John Perez of Solitude Aeturnus, and Liquid Sound Co. So, did he say anything about doing more Liquid Sound Co. recordings? I hope so. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Anybody heard any Solitude Aeturnus? Is it like really angry? Is it like that one track (maybe track 6? one word title - Swallow perhaps?) on Liquid Sound Co. that's pretty grundgy? From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jan 18 14:17:54 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:17:54 -0000 Subject: Steve Swindell In-Reply-To: <001d01c19f59$07ca78e0$e1a83bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: Hello I got the LP many years ago it is a sub Springsteen style sound. I must admit to quite liking it it has a rather good studio version of shot down in the night on it and althouth it is a long time since I listened to it the title track sticks in my mind as being quite good Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill & Cynthia > Sent: 17 January 2002 13:15 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell > > > Hi all > > Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. > > Has anyone got this? > > Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the sake of > collecting "all things related to Hawkwind? > > Cheers > Bill > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 18 15:27:51 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind_Moorock Moments Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:41:43 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:18:38 -0000, Wright, Mike wrote: >> >>> Martin Stone >> >>Ok, so who is he? >> > Martin "Mad Dog" Stone- guitarist in early 70s psych band who's name > escapes me, but they were described by Moorcock as playing "raga rock" ... Mighty Baby, who appeared (along with Hawkwind, Pink Fairies, and others) on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' compilation. There's at least one CD of Mighty Baby reissue floating around right now. Good stuff. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 18 15:10:42 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:10:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: >Oh, duh... > >>>Keith - What label did you say you thought was supposed to be releasing a >>>new Farflung? I just got a message from John Perez at Liquid Sound Records >>>that he'll be releasing a new (as yet untitled) Farflung CD in June. >> >>P.S. It isn't the Myth of Solid Ground they're releasing is it? (Well, >>that obviously has a title, so perhaps not.) Are they a US label? > >If I'd read this more carefully, I'd have realized that this is John Perez >of Solitude Aeturnus, and Liquid Sound Co. > >So, did he say anything about doing more Liquid Sound Co. recordings? I >hope so. To answer myself once again... Liquid Sound Co - "Inside the Acid Temple" due in March, 2002! www.brainticket.com Grakkl (FAA) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jan 18 16:48:02 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:48:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Sound Scope Message-ID: I decided I might as well read the acoustic archaeology book - just out of curiousity. It's maybe a bit dubious to extrapolate from what can be done in the 21st century to what was actually done in the past, however there are some interesting points and since there is a Hawkwind link with 'Sonic Attack' I thought people might find the following of interest: Vibration Resonant Frequencies For Selected Parts of the Human Body These parts of the body or body structures resonate naturally at the following frequencies, and will respond to any such frequencies in the environment around them. Measurements are in Hz WHOLE BODY: lying down 2Hz standing (relaxed) 4-5 Hz sitting 5-6 Hz Heat (when seated) 2-8 Hz Head 20-30 Hz Eyeball 40-60 Hz Eardrum 1,000 Hz Main torso 3-5 Hz Thorax 3-5 Hz Chest wall 60 Hz Spinal column 8Hz Abdominal mass 4-8 Hz Pelvic area (semi-prone) 8Hz Hip: sitting 2-8 standing 4 (source NASA-STD-3000/Vol1/REV.A (abstracted) [from: 'Stone Age Soundtracks - The Acoustic Archaeology of Ancient Sites' by Paul Devereux] As a further curious observation he also suggests that infrasound (virbrations made by machinery or something else that are too low to be normally heard and can only be experienced) resonating in a room may be one reason why some people say that they feel a ghostly presence in a particular place. Just thought you'd like to know 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From coral at APORT.RU Fri Jan 18 17:22:38 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:22:38 +0300 Subject: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: > Centaur Discs (I guess I beat Andy G to this one...). Thanks, Is there a web site for it? Alisa From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jan 18 18:58:53 2002 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:58:53 -0700 Subject: record companies for synth space/ambient In-Reply-To: <003b01c1a06e$a3cf40c0$0fdae2c2@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: http://www.cd-services.com/centaur.htm KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Alice > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:23 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: record companies for synth space/ambient > > > > Centaur Discs (I guess I beat Andy G to this one...). > > Thanks, > Is there a web site for it? > > Alisa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 18 19:03:57 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:03:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: New CD sale Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, I'm broke again, and so I need to sell off some of my trading stock. But then, I haven't been doing very much trading with these lately, so...of course, if you've got anything you think I might be interested, I would consider such a trade. If not, prices are listed below. Please specify if you wish to have jewel boxes sent, discount on postage if you go without. If you ask for a 2CD thing or something unusual, we'll work out the best way to handle it. Of course, respond off-list (henderson.120 at osu.edu) Send mailing address. Personal check or well-concealed cash. Foreign currencies - check with me. Grakkl (FAA) Space/Psych/Post-Rock: Amorphis -Tuonela - Excellent psychedelic metal with melodic lines from Finland, $7 Asteroid #4 - Apple Street EP - more 60s retro psych than "Introducing...", $5 Butterworth & Moorcock - The Time of the Hawklords (paperback book) - average copy, some yellowing of pages, $3 Jim DeRogatis - Kaleidoscope Eyes (larger paperback book, 2nd edition, different cover) - 272 p. book on Psychedelic Music from 60s to 90s, sections on Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, Yes (!?), Krautrock, Beatles, 90s bands, West Coast, etc., $8 plus $1 extra for shipping Escapade - Due to A Faulty Premonition - Six lengthy improv psych jams, light scratches, $6 Faust - IV - The krautrock classic, near mint, Caroline distribution/Virgin release, $7 Flotilla - Flotilla - modern poppy electronic works, Sky Cries Mary labelmates, $5 Guru Guru - Live '98 (2xLP) (gatefold, all but two tracks from the 1998 material on the 3CD box release, great reunion show w/ Genrich, Suzuki, Karoli, others guesting), $12 + extra $1 shipping Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warlords (Cleo comp., decent enough), $6 Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill - Remastered version in jewel box, unplayed but with some minor surface scratching from original shipment, $10 Hawkwind - The 1999 Party Live (2xCD) - 2nd Edition, same as the original but without outside box, unplayed/mint, $14 Hawkwind - Complete '79 (2XCD) - Vol. 1 of Voiceprint's Collector series, cracked jewel box/otherwise near mint, $10 Hopewell - The Curved Glass (a little better than Flaming Lips/Mercury Rev IMHO), $6 Into the Abyss - The Feathered Snake (band-issued CDR edition) - interesting gothic-flavored, proggy psych rock from Greece, unplayed, $7 Komeda - The Genius of Komeda - Swedish fun pop group with strong kraut tendencies, $6 Komeda - What Makes It Go? - Fun, sugary pop-flavored, krautrock-inspired Swedish group with lovely female vocals, $5 Melting Euphoria - Upon the Solar Winds - Second album, one of their better efforts, light scratches, $6 The Phoebe Cates - Turn on the Phantom - (legit.) CD alone, without inserts (will send image files for you to print yourself), nice space rock/ shoegazery mix from NE Ohio, $5 Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways (C&S US edition) - with Stars Die, edited Moonloop, near mint, $8 Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways (Delerium UK edition) - w/o Stars Die, sealed, $10 Porcupine Tree - Signify (Ark 21 US edition) - same as the others, but with B&W interior booklet, near mint/small cut in jewel box, $8 Sabine - Sabine - DC-area experimental post-rock band, water damage to booklet, $3 Salaryman - Karoshi - very modern hyperkinetic/electronic postrock with lots of spaciness, near mint, $6 777 - System 7.3 (2xCD) - Fire & Water - one techno = ick; one space/ambient = cool, $10 Adrian Shaw - Head Cleaner - solo work by HW/Frond great, with Watts, Saloman, House guesting, $7 Sky Cries Mary - A Return to the Inner Experience - Seattle modern-space collective, $6 Sky Cries Mary - Seeds CD-EP - the Seattle modern space combo's swan song (4 great! tracks, plus CDVideo track), near mint, $6 The Spacious Mind - Cosmic Minds at Play - Wonderful improv/krautrockish psychedelia, $9 Squonk Opera - Bigsmorgasbordwunderwerk - odd Pittsburgh-based progressive/performance art group, $4 SubArachnoid Space - Endless Renovation - San Francisco imrov psych rock a la Escapade, $7 Nik Turner - Prophets of Time - zero continuity hodge-podge, $5 Verve - A Storm in Heaven - UK shoegazer classic, $7 Walk on Water - High Fi - Detroit blue collar rock with some some definite spacerock and stoner leanings, $6 Yume Bitsu - Auspicious Winds - drifty post-rock/shoegazery outfit from Pac-Northwest, minor scratches, $5 Others: (for any two you select from the above, you can have 50% off one of these below - I'll honor those you choose that someone else has already snagged, that is if you manage to claim for yourself at least one thing from the above) Blue Oyster Cult - Heaven Forbid $4 The Buck Pets - To The Quick (grundgey band from Dallas) $4 Deep Purple - Purpendicular (Recent work w/ Morse) $3 (used) $5 (sealed) Edith - A Space Between Ever and Never - like iQ with lousy drummer, $5 fIREHOSE - Flyin' the Flannel $4 It Bites - Once Around the World EP - Hillage-produced poppy prog-metal, $5 Jadis - More than Meets the Eye (neo-prog) $6 Marillion - Clutching at Straws $5 Marillion - B-Sides Themselves (UK) $7 Marillion - Real to Reel (UK) $7 Marillion - The Thieving Magpie - first disc only...various Fish material, $4 Mother Love Bone (pre-Pearl Jam) - Self-titled 2CD $6 Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime $4 Strontium 90 - Police Academy (The Police & Gong's Mike Howlett) $5 Roger Taylor - Happiness? (Queen drummer/guitarist/vocalist) $6 TNR - The Chessboard (Hammill-ish Italian band) $6 Treponem Pal - Aggravation (nasty French band) $4 UFO - Walk on Water (Reunion album w/ Schenker/Mogg/Way) $5 US Domestic Shipping - $1 for 1st, $1 additional up to $3 max (unlimited #) - specify w/ or w/o jewel boxes (cut Shipping by 50% for w/o) For Overseas or Canada - write to work out payment/shipping All CDs appear to be playable without concern of skipping, but I will try to check those I send out and have any suspicion about. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 21:04:28 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:04:28 EST Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: In a message dated 1/18/02 8:49:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Falcata-Galia, with one of those funny little hooks on the bottom of the > 'c', so it's pronounced (I assume), Fall-SAH-ta Galia. "Fall-chat-a-gall-ya", apparently. Accents on "chat" and "gall". :) > > www.falcata-galia.com It's cat. # 18 on the label I remember. > > Rudy, the labelowner, just posted to RMP actually a day or two ago, about > starting a e-zine (or possibly print as well) about experimental, > progressive, etc. music in Eastern Europe. He's big into that > scene...wasn't sure though if he were interested in bringing Eastern music > west, or Western music east. Perhaps both. > Definitely east to west. He's released some Russian stuff already. > I think the label is somehow related to Transparency, the one that released > the Nik Turner TG Friends & Relations that features Farflung of course. > Yeah, sometimes Trans distributes for FG, though not recently. Mike Shepherd (Transparency) is trying to make a living releasing only the weirdest L.A. music, bizarre non-musical stuff such as celebrity bloopers, an old drunk smoky-voiced Judy Garland cussing people out, exorcisms by '50s fundamentalist preachers, Manson Family music, Alestair (sp) Crowly speeches, etc. > Keith > > P.S. It isn't the Myth of Solid Ground they're releasing is it? (Well, > that obviously has a title, so perhaps not.) Are they a US label? > Yeah, Brainticket is John Perez's (Liquid Sound Co/Solitude Aeturnus) label, Arlington, Tx. BTW, John just told me there's another LSC album just out, and possibly another one soon. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 21:13:26 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:13:26 EST Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: In a message dated 1/18/02 11:13:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Anybody heard any Solitude Aeturnus? Is it like really angry? Is it > like that one track (maybe track 6? one word title - Swallow perhaps?) on > Liquid Sound Co. that's pretty grundgy? > Not angry at all. The guy who does the slightly-operatic vox on (I think) the second track on LSC's "Exploring the Psychedelic" is their singer. The music is extremely melodic, though extremely "grungy" (no, not like that...) and epic, powerful doom-metal. Very much along the lines of Candlemass, if you've ever heard them. If you like later Amorphis, you should def. check 'em out. I'll have to give "Swallow" another listen...rec'd the album along with many others, so... Chuck From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Fri Jan 18 22:02:34 2002 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:02:34 -0500 Subject: off:some musical assistance Message-ID: From: "Tim" > hi,all > you've been helpful in the past recommending music... > MQB really like 'em > Porcupine Tree not bad,really liked Signify; Sky Moves Sideways not as enjoyable (IMO) > Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your votes,please: > amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 > gong - live on tv 1990 > ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent > " - erpland The Ozric Tentacles. I've seen some 3 cd sets before - I think those 2 plus become the for around $23. Jerry From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 18 22:17:10 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:17:10 EST Subject: HW: Sound Scope Message-ID: In a message dated 19/01/02 8:23:14 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > As a further curious observation he also suggests that infrasound > (virbrations made by machinery or something else that are too low to be > normally heard and can only be experienced) resonating in a room may be > one reason why some people say that they feel a ghostly presence in a > particular place. > > Just thought you'd like to know 8-) > jill > All fascinating stuff - thanks Jill From youless at LVCM.COM Sat Jan 19 02:02:19 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:02:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual availability Message-ID: Hi A while ago a few people mentioned/complained about the fact that they couldn't find Yule Ritual in any shops. Earlier today The Captain joined a chat on the #hawkwind.org.uk IRC channel, and said that the band had complained to Voiceprint, and we should too. Contact details for Voiceprint: E-Mail ====== post at voiceprint.co.uk Snail Mail ========== PO Box 50 Houghton-le-Spring Tyne and Wear DH4 5YP England Telephone ========= 0191 512 1103 Website Feedback ================ http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/feedback.htm Steve From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat Jan 19 07:18:46 2002 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:18:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual availability In-Reply-To: <200201190702.CAA07791@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Complain to Voiceprint ... Oh no, not AGAIN ;-) Alasdair On 19 Jan 2002 at 2:02, Moonglum . wrote: > Hi > > A while ago a few people mentioned/complained about the fact that they > couldn't find Yule Ritual in any shops. > > Earlier today The Captain joined a chat on the #hawkwind.org.uk IRC > channel, and said that the band had complained to Voiceprint, and we > should too. > > Contact details for Voiceprint: > > E-Mail > ====== > post at voiceprint.co.uk > > Snail Mail > ========== > PO Box 50 > Houghton-le-Spring > Tyne and Wear > DH4 5YP > England > > Telephone > ========= > 0191 512 1103 From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jan 19 10:25:00 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:25:00 -0600 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual availability Message-ID: Well It's in Virgin in Carlisle Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual availability > Complain to Voiceprint ... > > Oh no, not AGAIN ;-) > > Alasdair > > On 19 Jan 2002 at 2:02, Moonglum . wrote: > > > Hi > > > > A while ago a few people mentioned/complained about the fact that they > > couldn't find Yule Ritual in any shops. > > > > Earlier today The Captain joined a chat on the #hawkwind.org.uk IRC > > channel, and said that the band had complained to Voiceprint, and we > > should too. > > > > Contact details for Voiceprint: > > > > E-Mail > > ====== > > post at voiceprint.co.uk > > > > Snail Mail > > ========== > > PO Box 50 > > Houghton-le-Spring > > Tyne and Wear > > DH4 5YP > > England > > > > Telephone > > ========= > > 0191 512 1103 From youless at LVCM.COM Sat Jan 19 12:19:13 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:19:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual availability Message-ID: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK wrote: Oh no, not AGAIN ;-) rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: Well It's in Virgin in Carlisle What is this?! "Question the nature of your orders"? Some of us obey instructions from the Captain! :-) Steve From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Sat Jan 19 15:11:00 2002 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0800 Subject: OFF: Steve Swindell In-Reply-To: <001d01c19f59$07ca78e0$e1a83bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: I rather liked that one. In fact Hawkwind played one of the songs on that album. --- Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Hi all > > Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on > ebay for $US6.00. > > Has anyone got this? > > Have I spent well or am I just collecting for the > sake of collecting "all > things related to Hawkwind? > > Cheers > Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 19 18:53:45 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:53:45 EST Subject: HW: Yule Ritual availability Message-ID: In a message dated 20/01/02 3:49:42 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, youless at LVCM.COM writes: > What is this?! "Question the nature of your orders"? Some of us obey > instructions from the Captain! :-) > Yes - I thought about it - then I complained ;>) Elric From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 19 20:16:59 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:16:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <200112031909.OAA03271@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:09:54PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:09:54PM -0500, Nick Medford typed out: > > Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission > (whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) who formed an > association with John Paul Jones- (JPJ played with them, produced them, > even acted as a sort of rock-god guru to little Wayne I believe)- and from > there you can do the standard Led Zep-Roy Harper-anyone you want (including > HW) link. But I don't think there's a more direct link than that, unless > there's one through Generation X (a former Gen X-er was briefly in the > Sisters I think, don't know who or when, Gen X never interested me and I > had lost interest in the Sisters by then). Ha ha, that one will do for the file... > Well, you can connect the Damned to the Pistols through Lu Edmunds, who was > in Lydon's PiL immediately after his stint with the Damned. And the Pistols to Hawkwind via P. I. L. also as Ginger Baker had a stint with them :-) > Anyway this is a silly game and I don't want to play anymore... but I can't > help myself! Stop it both of you! Ah, you love it really :-) Look, here's some test questions for you (and indeed everyone): Link the following to Hawkwind (playing either the shortest- or lengthiest-link version, the link must have some creative input so producers count but support acts don't, cover versions isn't good enough, all other niggles to be settled arbitrarily by me as much as anyone... ) A. Easy 1. Thin Lizzy 2. Deep Purple 3. Chrome B. More obscure 4. Genesis 5. The MC5 6. Pink Floyd (okay, there are several ways to do this; if you can get more than three have a bonus point) C. Really quite surprising 7. Mountain 8. Therapy? 9. The Jimi Hendrix Experience (no, Lemmy roadying for them doesn't count, nor does Nik getting complimented by Jimi from the stage and in any case that wasn't the Experience... ) D. Men from the Boys 10. Tangerine Dream (to get the point you need *two* independent connections) One, two, three, go... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Jan 19 20:19:53 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:19:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: > > > > Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission > > (whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) The Mission - Fields of the Nephilim - Zodiac Mindwarp - Gaye Bykers on Acid - Hawkwind. Easy. :-) R. NP: The Gene Drayton Unit From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 19 20:50:35 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:50:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of the Damned In-Reply-To: <003c01c17cf5$24633e00$6f23fea9@oemcomputer>; from mark.von-bargen@GENIE.CO.UK on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:54:38PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:54:38PM -0000, mark von bargen typed out: > Robert Sturkey wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > [snipped] > > Also, the most obvious Damned/Hawkwind link is the MotorDamned single > > comprising Lemmy et al. > > > > cheers - Rob > > > Of course there is the link that Captain Sensible played guitar on the Inner > City Unit Maximum Effect LP. Probably already been mentioned but that LP > also offers a link between Hawkwind and that great comedian Max Wall. These > connections know no bounds eh!? And thus to Monty Python's Flying Circus in three removes :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Jimi Hendrix - _Live at Woodstock_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 19 21:23:31 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:23:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree/IEM In-Reply-To: <200112101610.LAA20331@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:10:45AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:10:45AM -0500, Nick Medford typed out: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:11:02 -0500, K Henderson > wrote: > > >More interesting is the news that the last 2 IEM works ("Have Come For Your > >Children", "Arcadia Son") are now out on CD in limited fashion. I only > have > >the first self-titled. I think there was a second one called "Elevator to > >Christmas" or something like that. Is that still LP only? So who carries > >these IEM thingies? > > Try http://www.burningshed.com/ > > Has anyone here heard either of these IEM releases? I do quite like "The > Gospel According To...", but not enough to automatically fork out for more. > Comments? Yes, actually, I've got them both, although typically the news that _Arcadia Son_ was coming out on CD only reached me after I bought the vinyl version. `Escalator to Christmas' remains exclusive to that 12" and vinyl only however, I was rather expecting it to be reused after so much similar reuse with PT. So, what are they like? Well, the later release, _Have Come For Your Children_ is in fact I think mostly earlier, as parts of it turn up again in _Arcadia Son_. It's essentially five long jams (*not* one track as the blurb says though there is no track-listing) along similar themes, quite moody and compelling bass-work driving them along, though not complex really apart from what Steven has done at production level. The first jam is split in two to make six tracks total. They're basically five different ways of doing the same thing but it's definitely a band with an idea of what they're about and very tight jamming indeed; I like it, though I wouldn't call it startling. Apart from the last track which has the drums put through enough effects that at first I thought it was using breakbeats. _Arcadia Son_ is a decidedly more deliberate kettle of fish, and I think I can safely say it leaves the first album well behind. Track by track it weighs in as: Wreck: a minute and a half of chaotic noise and feedback Beth Krasky: solely a vocal sample from an American women of that name We Are Not Alone: long dub track with stupid pseudo-American vocals by Steven as far as I can tell, lots of little weird noise underneath but not a great piece that will live forever Cicadian Haze: percussive-based track, lots of bongos and atmospheric electronics, somehow gives me the feeling of an attempt to create an Indian summer in an English suburban garden Politician: noises and weirdness bringing previous to next Arcadia Son: is a chunk of the first jam from _Have Come For Your Children_ without quite so much studio tweakery, making it really quite mean-sounding Shadow of a Twisted Hand Across my House: the business. Twenty minutes long, starts with another of the same sort of jams but much higher-energy than the others, lots of tight snappy drums, and slowly quietens into a tranquil but cold piece of synth atmospheric very much like Tangerine Dream's `Circulation of Events', finally taking shape in a keyboard pattern as it fades out into... Goldilocks Age 4: you can probably guess what this short out-tro is... All in all it's a thoroughly good album. It's quite strongly derivative in places (from Steven Wilson? Never!) but the blend is good and the overall feeling of it much colder, harder and more intentional than the sloppy wet PT stuff of late. I play it often. In the absence of a new pink-era Tangerine Dream I think Steven's modern takes on that and related ideas may well be a possible future for the Krautrock sound. Yours, Jon ObCD: Band of Gypsys - _Live at the Fillmore East_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 01:06:36 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:06:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <20020120011659.A7825@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: In message <20020120011659.A7825 at chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Jonathan Jarrett writes > >Link the following to Hawkwind (playing either the shortest- or >lengthiest-link version, the link must have some creative input so >producers count but support acts don't, cover versions isn't good enough, >all other niggles to be settled arbitrarily by me as much as anyone... ) > >A. Easy > >1. Thin Lizzy Brian Robertson's stint with Motorhead, 'nuff said Also a link through Phil Collins, see under Genesis below > >2. Deep Purple 1. Richie Blackmore- Rainbow- Bobby Rondinelli- BOC- Moorcock- HW 2. Rainbow- Cozy Powell- ELP (in the brief period in the 80s when it was Powell rather than Palmer)- Greg Lake- King Crimson- Robert Fripp- David Bowie- Simon House (see below for other Fripp links) 3. David Coverdale- Coverdale/Page- Led Zep- Roy Harper- HW (either via Floyd, or Harper's playing with Huw, or Harper's brief intro on "Do Not Panic", etc.) Also: Gillan and HW played on the same bill at Donington one year ('82?) (tenuous I know) > >3. Chrome Helios Creed playing with Nik > >B. More obscure > >4. Genesis Hmmm... Brian Eno involvement on both Genesis "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" and Calvert's "Lucky Lief and the Longships" Robert Fripp has played with Peter Gabriel (on PG's second solo album)... Fripp has also played with Bowie, another member of Bowie's band at that time was one Simon House Phil Collins guests on Thin Lizzy's "Johnny the Fox" album, see Lizzy link above Phil Collins (him again) played with the surviving members of Led Zep at Live Aid, thus standard Zep- Roy Harper- HW link After Steve Hackett left Genesis, his backing band had a keyboard player called Nick Magnus, who had briefly been a member of the Enid... HW and the Enid both appear on the Stonehenge '84 video, and one of the Enid's ex-members was in HW for about a nanosecond I think (Robbie Dobson??) > >5. The MC5 Wayne Kramer playing with Mick Farren's Deviants Or the long way round... Wayne Kramer playing in Mad for the Racket with Brian James, once of the Damned (them again)- thus opening up the billion or so Damned-HW links as exhaustively discussed here before > >6. Pink Floyd (okay, there are several ways to do this; if you can get >more than three have a bonus point) 1. Through Roy Harper as above (sang on Floyd's "Have A Cigar", Dave Gilmour plays on his "Unknown Soldier" album, etc.) 2. Syd Barrett's short-lived post-Floyd band Stars, which included Twink on drums- standard Fairies/Hawks links 3. Roger Waters' most recent backing band included Snowy White, who has played in a band with Huw (Blue Zone?).. I think.. if not, White was a member of Thin Lizzy (them again)- see above 4. Roger Waters' first post-Floyd band (Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking album and tour) included Eric Clapton, who was in Cream with one Ginger Baker 5. Nick Mason produced the Damned's "Music for Pleasure" album (the Damned broke up for the first of many times during its recording and subsequently disowned the resulting mess)- Damned-HW links as before > >C. Really quite surprising > >7. Mountain I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > >8. Therapy? No idea. This is a band for Young People, I think you only mention them to taunt us with your youth. Although they did do a passable cover of Joy Division's "Isolation". > >9. The Jimi Hendrix Experience (no, Lemmy roadying for them doesn't count, >nor does Nik getting complimented by Jimi from the stage and in any case >that wasn't the Experience... ) Terry Ollis has played with Noel Redding I believe. I know Terry O. is in a band called Little Wing, so I'd guess that's the connection. Alternatively it could have been in Road or Fat Mattress. > >D. Men from the Boys > >10. Tangerine Dream (to get the point you need *two* independent >connections) Well... I'll save this one for more serious thought. But I fear my TD knowledge may be insufficient. Meanwhile... can you (or anyone else) link HW with the following... The Who Weather Report The Moody Blues and if you want improbable links, try these: Saxon Montrose Leo Sayer Style Council and for the gold star: Mike Oldfield- but you need at least three different ways... and for the gold star with the diamond inlay: Whitney Houston! enjoy! (alternatively, get a life instead :-) ) -- Nick Medford From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jan 20 01:35:51 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:35:51 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/02 1:08:40 AM, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << 7. Mountain I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) >> Indeed they did. this one loves the 17-minute live version, but the =koff= 32 minute live version is a must to avoid ps> the 'classic' lineup was Leslie West- (the late) Felix Pappalardi- Corky Laing - Steve Knight cross-reference: West, Bruce, and Laing.... "<>" From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 04:25:43 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:25:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > >9. The Jimi Hendrix Experience (no, Lemmy roadying for them doesn't count, > >nor does Nik getting complimented by Jimi from the stage and in any case > >that wasn't the Experience... ) > > Terry Ollis has played with Noel Redding I believe. I know Terry O. is > in a band called Little Wing, so I'd guess that's the connection. > Alternatively it could have been in Road or Fat Mattress. > At least one ex-hendrix guy played on an Ant-Bee album as did Harvey. The Ant-bee albums can be used to link loads of bands together as they have a huge number of guests. David Allan is on there somewhere, as is Ex-Mothers of Invention guys and Ex-Alice Cooper Group guys. I`d be more precise but I`ve just woken up! Si From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 05:37:50 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:37:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > > > >7. Mountain > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat bugger turned up and broke it." :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 05:47:45 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:47:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Damnned keyboard... Leslie "West", obviously. :-) R. > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > > If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. > > "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat > bugger turned up and broke it." > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 06:03:26 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:03:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) Mountain can also be linked via the Ant-Bee connection. Mountains current bassist is Ritchie Scarlett, who played bass on the Area51 Alice Cooper Group Reunion show(Featuring Neal Smith, Mike Bruce and Glen Buxton Of Alice Cooper). Neal and Mike Both played on the Ant-Bee album, which featured Harvey. Also on the album `Lunar Music`, for reference: Daevid Allen(Gong) Bunk Gardener, Don Preston, Jimmy Carl Black, Roy Estrada, Jim Sherwood (Mothers/Zappa) Mike Bruce, Neal Smith, Glen Buxton, Dennis Dunaway(Original Alice Cooper Group) Harry Williamson (Mother Gong) Harvey Bainbridge. The Album I Refered too on the Hendrix connection, now I`ve woken up properly, is actually the Bruce Cameron album `Midnight Daydream` which features Billy Cox, Buddy Miles, Ant-Bee, and Mike Bruce. Thus Hendrix-Cameron-Antbee-Harvey. Is that the one you expected? Si From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sun Jan 20 06:16:33 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:16:33 +1100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: West is no longer fat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > > If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. > > "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat > bugger turned up and broke it." > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 06:25:55 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:25:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Oh god, there's always one who can't take a joke, isn't there. Leslie West *used* to be so fat he couldn't play guitar any more. I *know* he's slimmed down a lot over the last few years. I'm *very* glad for him - I hope it means he can carry on playing guitar for many years to come. But everyone remembers him as "the fat fella out out of Mountain". Hence the humour in the joke. Alternatively, I'll just go and have a beer with Larry in "The Restingplace For People Whose Remarks Weren't Taken In The Light-hearted Spirit They Were Intended Bar,Astoria, Queens, NYC". Jeez Steven, lighten up. It's only (oh, err, 11:20) on a Sunday morning here and I've got a bastard of a hangover. Next I'll start doing the "Focus Tribute Band" joke. After a creditable stab at "Sylvia", I asked the guitarist; "Are you knackered man?" He replied; "No, I'm Jan Akkerman!" Cheers, Rich. > West is no longer fat. > > > > > > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > > > > If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. > > > > "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat > > bugger turned up and broke it." > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Sun Jan 20 07:01:26 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:01:26 +1100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: What a list this is. All I did was say he wasn't fat anymore and you take offence. Maybe you should lighten up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > Oh god, there's always one who can't take a joke, isn't there. > > Leslie West *used* to be so fat he couldn't play guitar any more. I *know* > he's slimmed down a lot over the last few years. I'm *very* glad for him - > I hope it means he can carry on playing guitar for many years to come. > > But everyone remembers him as "the fat fella out out of Mountain". > > Hence the humour in the joke. > > Alternatively, I'll just go and have a beer with Larry in "The Restingplace > For People Whose Remarks Weren't Taken In The Light-hearted Spirit They Were > Intended Bar,Astoria, Queens, NYC". > > Jeez Steven, lighten up. It's only (oh, err, 11:20) on a Sunday morning > here and I've got a bastard of a hangover. > > Next I'll start doing the "Focus Tribute Band" joke. > > After a creditable stab at "Sylvia", I asked the guitarist; "Are you > knackered man?" > He replied; "No, I'm Jan Akkerman!" > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > West is no longer fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > > > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > > > > > > If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. > > > > > > "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat > > > bugger turned up and broke it." > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jan 20 07:31:33 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:31:33 -0600 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Heh. I like the 30+ minute live version of nantucket Sleighride on Twin Peaks Live, ominously preceded by a track simply called 'Guitar Solo' which is a 5 minute Leccy Guitar solo of Jingle Bells... :-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > In a message dated 1/20/02 1:08:40 AM, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > > << 7. Mountain > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I saw > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > >> > > Indeed they did. this one loves the 17-minute live version, but the =koff= 32 > minute live version is a must to avoid > > ps> the 'classic' lineup was > Leslie West- (the late) Felix Pappalardi- Corky Laing - Steve Knight > > cross-reference: West, Bruce, and Laing.... > > "<>" From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Jan 20 13:49:00 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Passport Holders Festival Message-ID: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++ GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS.... New Crew Orders: Please visit Mission Control Updates for information on a special three day event for passport holders that has just been announced. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm MISSION ENDS + ++ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 20 14:05:53 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:05:53 -0000 Subject: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: under construction at: www.cd-services.com and due to be finished......very soon. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: record companies for synth space/ambient > > Centaur Discs (I guess I beat Andy G to this one...). > > Thanks, > Is there a web site for it? > > Alisa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 20 14:15:05 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:15:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: not for long............................... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark cotton" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: Re: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient > Hi Alice, > > http://www.synthmusicdirect.com > and the ordering service > is second to none in the UK. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 15:17:22 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:17:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <20020120011659.A7825@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: In message <20020120011659.A7825 at chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Jonathan Jarrett writes >D. Men from the Boys > >10. Tangerine Dream (to get the point you need *two* independent >connections) Well, I've thought of one. There's a band called the Hi-Fi Companions who supported HW at a gig on the recent tour and are described as: Merv from Eat Static with Steve Joliffe from TD. So... Hi-Fi Companions- Eat Static- Ozric Tentacles- Ed Wynne playing on Amon Duul's "Die losung" album, which also has a contribution from Calvert, alternatively Amon Duul and HW can be connected through Dave Anderson. Have to ponder a little longer to get the second one though. -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jan 20 15:18:35 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:18:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Ooh! Ooh! I wanna play, too! (Just as you feared ...) On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:06:36 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <20020120011659.A7825 at chiark.greenend.org.uk>, >Jonathan Jarrett writes >> >>Link the following to Hawkwind (playing either the shortest- or >>lengthiest-link version, the link must have some creative input so >>producers count but support acts don't, cover versions isn't good enough, >>all other niggles to be settled arbitrarily by me as much as anyone... ) Since most of the easier ones were already gotten ... >>D. Men from the Boys >> >>10. Tangerine Dream (to get the point you need *two* independent >>connections) 1) * Dave Anderson was in Amon Du?l II before being in Hawkwind * Renate Knaup was Amon Du?l II's lead singer, and later sang for Popol Vuh * Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh played on TD's 'Zeit' album (and, I believe, sold his Moog modular to TD when Popol Vuh "went acoustic") 2) * Brian Eno produced and/or played on Calvert's 'Capt. Lockheed' & 'Lucky Leif' (and Paul Rudolph played on several of his solo albums) * Brian Eno recorded two albums with Cluster * Conrad Schnitzler played on the first two Cluster (as 'Kluster') albums * Conrad Schnitzler played on the first Tangerine Dream album >and for the gold star: > >Mike Oldfield- but you need at least three different ways... 1) * Oldfield & Eno (see above) are both on the 'June 1, 1974' live album 2) * Oldfield played in Kevin Ayers' band for several years * Kevin Ayers was in the Soft Machine (and, briefly, Gong) with Daevid Allen * Tim Blake was in Gong with Daevid Allen 3) * Steve Broughton played drums on 'Tubular Bells' * Victor Unitt was one of the guitarists in the Edgar Broughton Band * Victor Unitt replaced Dick Taylor in the Pretty Things * Dick Taylor produced (and may have played on) the first Hawkwind album (alternatively, Steve Broughton played drums on the "Nuclear Waste" single with Nik Turner) >and for the gold star with the diamond inlay: > >Whitney Houston! I'll have to get back to you on this one ... ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 15:33:41 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:33:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > >Whitney Houston! > > I'll have to get back to you on this one ... ;^) David Foster Produced Houstons Bodyguard Soundtrack. He also produced Alice Cooper`s `From The Inside` Album. Alice Cooper Group guys on Ant-Bee album `Lunar Music` with Harvey. I should think there`s actually a few ways via Foster(he`s worked with loads of people) and you did say Producers were allowable. Si From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 15:41:42 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:41:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > >and for the gold star with the diamond inlay: > > > >Whitney Houston! > > I'll have to get back to you on this one ... ;^) Here`s another, shorter route. Houston was on Bill Laswell/Material`s 1983 album `One Down`(Her first recording apparently). Laswell produced Motorhead`s `Orgasmatron`. Si From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 16:02:56 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:02:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <022801c1a1f2$deb2c560$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: In message <022801c1a1f2$deb2c560$0100a8c0 at kermitz>, Si Halley writes >> >and for the gold star with the diamond inlay: >> > >> >Whitney Houston! >> >> I'll have to get back to you on this one ... ;^) > >Here`s another, shorter route. Houston was on Bill Laswell/Material`s 1983 >album `One Down`(Her first recording apparently). That's the one I was after! Before-she-was-famous stuff as you say. >Laswell produced >Motorhead`s `Orgasmatron`. Well, even more direct, as Jon was prepared to allow producers, but I'm not :-)... Ginger Baker has played with Laswell both as a member of Material and as a solo artist. Fans of percussion frenzy are advised to check out the track "Obsessed" on Material's Live in Japan album. Also Laswell played with Daevid Allen as part of New York Gong (the original Material band evolved from this). It's always a source of amazement to me that I possess an album on which Whitney Houston appears, but what's even more remarkable is that the song she's singing is actually an old Soft Machine track called "Memories"- a version of this song also appears on Daevid Allen's "Bananamoon" album, where it's sung by Robert Wyatt. The song was written by Hugh Hopper although it's mis-credited on the Material disc. "One Down" is in any case a funk/soul/disco album (gulp) although it's fair to say that it's better than nearly anything else I've heard in that genre. Of course, once you bring Laswell into the picture, you open up a whole new galaxy of possible connections. -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 16:16:06 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:16:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <200201202018.PAA13082@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200201202018.PAA13082 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >Ooh! Ooh! I wanna play, too! (Just as you feared ...) Oh g'wan then... >Since most of the easier ones were already gotten ... Well, the Therapy? link still awaits uncovering... > >>>D. Men from the Boys >>> >>>10. Tangerine Dream (to get the point you need *two* independent >>>connections) > >1) >* Dave Anderson was in Amon Du?l II before being in Hawkwind >* Renate Knaup was Amon Du?l II's lead singer, and later sang for Popol Vuh >* Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh played on TD's 'Zeit' album (and, I believe, >sold his Moog modular to TD when Popol Vuh "went acoustic") > >2) >* Brian Eno produced and/or played on Calvert's 'Capt. Lockheed' & 'Lucky >Leif' (and Paul Rudolph played on several of his solo albums) >* Brian Eno recorded two albums with Cluster >* Conrad Schnitzler played on the first two Cluster (as 'Kluster') albums >* Conrad Schnitzler played on the first Tangerine Dream album So that gives us 3. And what's more I have another: Klaus Schulze was in the original TD, and later in Ash Ra Tempel. ART recorded an album with Timothy Leary, who guested (via the PA from prison IIRC) at at least one HW gig in the 70s. OK, that's *really* tenuous, I admit. > >>and for the gold star: >> >>Mike Oldfield- but you need at least three different ways... > >1) >* Oldfield & Eno (see above) are both on the 'June 1, 1974' live album > >2) >* Oldfield played in Kevin Ayers' band for several years >* Kevin Ayers was in the Soft Machine (and, briefly, Gong) with Daevid Allen >* Tim Blake was in Gong with Daevid Allen > >3) >* Steve Broughton played drums on 'Tubular Bells' >* Victor Unitt was one of the guitarists in the Edgar Broughton Band >* Victor Unitt replaced Dick Taylor in the Pretty Things >* Dick Taylor produced (and may have played on) the first Hawkwind album >(alternatively, Steve Broughton played drums on the "Nuclear Waste" single >with Nik Turner) Yet another link through Steve Broughton is that he plays on the 1985 Roy Harper and Jimmy Page album "Whatever happened to Jugula", thus opening up all the Harper links back to HW... Anyway, sterling work there Doug. But amazingly enough none of the above 3 Oldfield links are the ones I had in mind! I'll give you one more: you have a link through Gong, but that one can be made more direct because Oldfield was, unbelievably, a member of Gong very briefly- not in the glory days, but in the post-Allen "Pierre Moerlen's Gong" jazz- fusion era in the late 70s. But there are at least 2 other ways to link Oldfield to HW, not involving Gong at all. -- Nick Medford From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 17:21:17 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:21:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > Well, the Therapy? link still awaits uncovering... Therapy? backed Ozzy on a track on the Sabbath Covers album Nativity in Black(Vol 1 or 2). Then Glenn Hughes and the Purple Way as previously mentioned, or Dio and the Rainbow/Cozy way as also mentioned. There`s also ways between Sabbath and HW via the Ant-bee album again of course! Oh, and Jack Endino produced Therapy? `Seamless` and Helios Creed`s `The Last Laugh` so that`s shorter. Si From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jan 20 17:36:32 2002 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:36:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 20 18:01:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:01:47 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: In a message dated 21/01/02 9:10:40 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM writes: > Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? > Uncle Sams on mArs?? I dunno From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 18:02:23 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:02:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Kenneth Magnusson writes >Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? Easy peasy! 1.Reagan was in a crap film called "Bedtime for Bonzo", the Damned were thus inspired to write a song called "Bad Time for Bonzo", and the Damned connect to HW any way you like. If you won't count that, then consider this: 2. A sample of Reagan's voice appears on "Fuck You G.I." by 23 Skidoo. 23 Skidoo were heavily associated with Psychic TV- they shared some members in their early days and Genesis P-Orridge co- produced Skidoo's "Seven Songs" album. Psychic TV recorded with Bachir Attar and the Master Musicians of Jajouka , who were also recorded by Bill Laswell (him again) on the album "Apocalypse Across The Sky". Laswell links to HW in a number of ways as per earlier in thread. that wasn't so hard now was it -- Nick Medford From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 18:01:06 2002 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:01:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? Reagan was President. As was Clinton, Who played Sax, as does NIK! No? Well how about: Reagan was in `This Is The Army` (1943) Director: Michael Curtiz - Who directed Casablanca(1942) which is (according to IMDB) referenced in ... `The Final Programme` which features Hawkind briefly. Si From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 18:37:43 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Hi guys, I've just got in and read a few emails. I've apologised to Steven (off list, natuarally), and I just kicked off in what was meant to be a light hearted way. Sorry for any offense taken. (I thought maybe Steven was Leslie's next door neighbour or something!!!!) Anyway, lots of love to all, Cheers, Rich. > What a list this is. All I did was say he wasn't fat anymore and you take > offence. Maybe you should lighten up. > > > > > Oh god, there's always one who can't take a joke, isn't there. > > > > Leslie West *used* to be so fat he couldn't play guitar any more. I > *know* > > he's slimmed down a lot over the last few years. I'm *very* glad for > him - > > I hope it means he can carry on playing guitar for many years to come. > > > > But everyone remembers him as "the fat fella out out of Mountain". > > > > Hence the humour in the joke. > > > > Alternatively, I'll just go and have a beer with Larry in "The > Restingplace > > For People Whose Remarks Weren't Taken In The Light-hearted Spirit They > Were > > Intended Bar,Astoria, Queens, NYC". > > > > Jeez Steven, lighten up. It's only (oh, err, 11:20) on a Sunday morning > > here and I've got a bastard of a hangover. > > > > Next I'll start doing the "Focus Tribute Band" joke. > > > > After a creditable stab at "Sylvia", I asked the guitarist; "Are you > > knackered man?" > > He replied; "No, I'm Jan Akkerman!" > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > West is no longer fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7. Mountain > > > > > > > > > > I'll have to pass here, I wouldn't know a member of Mountain if I > saw > > > > > one busking on my doorstep. (did they do "Nantucket Sleighride"?) > > > > > > > > If Leslie est turned up on your doorstep, I think you'd know about it. > > > > > > > > "See ya later honey, I'm off down to B&Q for a new doorstep. Some fat > > > > bugger turned up and broke it." > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jan 20 18:38:49 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:38:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > 2. A sample of Reagan's voice appears on "Fuck You G.I." by 23 > Skidoo. 23 Skidoo were heavily associated with Psychic TV- they > shared some members in their early days and Genesis P-Orridge co- > produced Skidoo's "Seven Songs" album. Psychic TV recorded with > Bachir Attar and the Master Musicians of Jajouka , who were also > recorded by Bill Laswell (him again) on the album "Apocalypse Across > The Sky". Laswell links to HW in a number of ways as per earlier in > thread. And Mr P-Orridge appeared with Nik Turner on his Space Ritual '94 tour. Nick From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 20 19:39:44 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:39:44 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: TD and Hawkwind...via Popol Vuh...Daniel Fischelscher (PV) played w/AD2, as well as Renate...Dave Anderson/HW link... Also, Oldfield...all that Canturbury stuff would seem to bring up dozens of links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the Live T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 20:24:52 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:24:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: > TD and Hawkwind...via Popol Vuh...Daniel Fischelscher (PV) played w/AD2, as > well as Renate...Dave Anderson/HW link... > > Also, Oldfield...all that Canturbury stuff would seem to bring up dozens of > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the Live > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? :-) Cheers, Rich. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 20 20:32:50 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:32:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chuck Rosenberg writes >Also, Oldfield...all that Canturbury stuff would seem to bring up dozens of >links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? Don't know actually, despite my mentioning Oldfield I've never been a fan, so there may be yet more links besides the ones I have in mind... > and, is the Live >T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? Er... I wouldn't think you need either of them, but as I said I'm not a fan! -- Nick Medford From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 20 23:53:20 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:53:20 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/02 5:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the Live > > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > Ha, actually, that's my least favorite part! don't know if it was intended to sound "evil" when he recorded that part...but i never really saw how it connects to the rest of the album (well...side one, anyway...), it being such a happy, new-agey type of theme. Chuck From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Mon Jan 21 02:58:04 2002 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:58:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've read somewhere that Barney Bubbles did the lightshow for Reagan 1984 election... Olivier >In a message dated 21/01/02 9:10:40 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, >bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM writes: > > > > Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? > > > >Uncle Sams on mArs?? > >I dunno -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ 35 rue Navier _/_/_/_/_/_/ 75017 Paris _/_/_/_/_/_/ FRANCE _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Jan 21 05:16:41 2002 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:16:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: An alternative ending to the Therapy link Si Halley wrote > Therapy? backed Ozzy on a track on the Sabbath Covers album > Nativity in Black(Vol 1 or 2). and Ozzy was on a motorhead album, which has got to be a quicker way to HW mike w Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 21 05:27:30 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:27:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: The live T.Bells is worth listening too, even if you have the original, there's some nifty interpretations on there, plus other material from later recordings which makes it worth it. As far as I'm concerned, whilst I loved the Exorcist, I thought the way Tubular Bells was used in the film was terrible. It sounds like a bad afterthought, roughly stuck in by a deaf and tasteless producer! T.Bells is, after all, a piece written about the English countryside. So I reckon the LP is infinitely better. Mind you I grew up listening to it ;?> Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > In a message dated 1/20/02 5:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > > > > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the Live > > > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > > > And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > Ha, actually, that's my least favorite part! don't know if it was intended to > sound "evil" when he recorded that part...but i never really saw how it > connects to the rest of the album (well...side one, anyway...), it being such > a happy, new-agey type of theme. > > Chuck > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 21 11:18:00 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:18:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:06:36 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: > >> >>1. Thin Lizzy > >Brian Robertson's stint with Motorhead, 'nuff said > >Also a link through Phil Collins Yet another is that for one night only, a short-staffed Lizzy were augmented by Larry Wallis (any number of links there) and... wait for it... Rat Scabies. There's no escaping the evil curse of the Damned!! From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Jan 21 14:21:56 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain Message-ID: Bad Referrer - Access Denied The form attempting to use FormMail resides at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm, which is not allowed to access this cgi script. If you are attempting to configure FormMail to run with this form, you need to add the following to @referers, explained in detail in the README file. Add 'www.users.globalnet.co.uk' to your @referers array. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Jan 21 14:23:06 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:23:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain Message-ID: However, if I can ever log my details, happy to help co-ordination of large amounts of patchouli oiled personnel around the country Z Passport no 2026 NP MH - Burn In Bloody Hell - seems appropriate From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Jan 21 15:13:58 2002 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:13:58 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: The easiest Reagan connection appears to be the Jon smeeton (Liquid Len) one...I think thats how you spell his name anyway....I read somewhere that he did lighting for one of Reagans election roadshows....Might have been said as a joke though I s'pose Al From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Jan 21 16:39:22 2002 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:39:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I've read somewhere that Barney Bubbles did the lightshow for Reagan >1984 election... >Olivier Absoloutely correct ! I wonder if he used any of the Space Ritual slides... ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Jan 21 17:28:33 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:28:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain Message-ID: Not sure why you sent this to the list - a direct mail would have been better to resolve probs, surely... But to answer your 'enquiry' ? (if that is indeed what it was) The button on the updates page is merely a LINK - nothing more, nothing less. We have no CGI access on the globalnet server (which is one reason why we are moving over to full hosted server space on the relaunch soon) So therefore Formmail DOES NOT reside at the address shown - it never could. The CGI script(Formmail)in fact runs on a remote server, where the hawkwind.info site is being developed. If you do have problems with the link, you can access the form directly using the following URL: http://www.hawkwind.info/formmail/ Hope that sorts things.... Rx On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:21:56 -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: >Bad Referrer - Access Denied >The form attempting to use > FormMail resides at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm, which is not allowed to access > this cgi script. >If you are attempting to configure FormMail to run with this form, you need > to add the following to @referers, explained in detail in the README file. >Add 'www.users.globalnet.co.uk' to your @referers array. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 21 17:32:41 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:32:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain Message-ID: Dunno if it helps but when I replied yesterday (almost as soon as the message appeared since I happened to be on-line at the time) I must have done so before the official form was created because I found that clicking on the appropriate button just opened up a mail window. The address the mail went to was festival at hawkwind.org.uk. Since then I've filled in the official web form as well, just in case my initial mailing is deemed unacceptable, but you could always trying sending an email to that address. Alternatively I could fill in the form for you on your behalf. It just asks for Name Address Phone Number Email address shoe size species genotype eye colour dna profile ........ (ok I made the last few up but since you don't need to answer all the questions it does ask I could easily submit it for you) cheers jilll ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Z E Itgeist To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain > Bad Referrer - Access Denied > The form attempting to use > FormMail resides at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm, which is not allowed to access > this cgi script. > If you are attempting to configure FormMail to run with this form, you need > to add the following to @referers, explained in detail in the README file. > Add 'www.users.globalnet.co.uk' to your @referers array. > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 21 18:13:57 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:13:57 EST Subject: HW: Passport holders festival - o sweet jesus the pain Message-ID: In a message dated 22/01/02 5:53:23 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK writes: > However, if I can ever log my details, happy to help co-ordination of large > amounts of patchouli oiled personnel around the country > I got in, nee problems marra From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 21 19:32:39 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:32:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: I've got about ten different versions of it (and I don't mean any reissued CD's either). Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > The live T.Bells is worth listening too, even if you have the original, > there's some nifty interpretations on there, plus other material from later > recordings which makes it worth it. > As far as I'm concerned, whilst I loved the Exorcist, I thought the way > Tubular Bells was used in the film was terrible. It sounds like a bad > afterthought, roughly stuck in by a deaf and tasteless producer! > T.Bells is, after all, a piece written about the English countryside. > So I reckon the LP is infinitely better. Mind you I grew up listening to it > ;?> > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Rosenberg" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:53 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > In a message dated 1/20/02 5:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > > > > > > > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the > Live > > > > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > > > > > And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > Ha, actually, that's my least favorite part! don't know if it was intended > to > > sound "evil" when he recorded that part...but i never really saw how it > > connects to the rest of the album (well...side one, anyway...), it being > such > > a happy, new-agey type of theme. > > > > Chuck > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 21 19:34:37 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:34:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out on recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and also on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second House' programme ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:39 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > TD and Hawkwind...via Popol Vuh...Daniel Fischelscher (PV) played w/AD2, as > well as Renate...Dave Anderson/HW link... > > Also, Oldfield...all that Canturbury stuff would seem to bring up dozens of > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the Live > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 21 19:41:34 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:41:34 -0000 Subject: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient Message-ID: if you mean release, we at Centaur Discs label have about 15 of th finest incl Shreeve, RMI, Pickford, Lawler, Van Zyl, Nostromo, Magnus as well as new Alan Davey album - reviews and info available. If you mean distribute as in mail order, then we have about 2000 titles or more sitting on the synth shelves right now and a similar amount on the ambient/techno shelves also - so, what is it you're after??? Andy G. andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: OFF: record companies for synth space/ambient > In a message dated 19/01/02 3:17:02 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > coral at APORT.RU writes: > > > > Hello! > > > > I need some help on this question: > > > > What record companies release synth space/ambient albums? > > I, too, would love to know this.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jan 21 20:44:52 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:44:52 EST Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/02 5:29:05 AM, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << T.Bells is, after all, a piece written about the English countryside. So I reckon the LP is infinitely better. Mind you I grew up listening to it ; >> ===== ...sounds to this one more like his 2nd album, "Hergest Ridge", might have more to do with the "English Countryside"...y'think? Yeah, that LP blew me away, in late '73; hadnt heard anything like it before. I ran out and bought the one copy at the record store...some time before "the exorcist", by the way. There was an edited 45 of it in early '74, in the wake of that movie...and one of the first jobs I ever had was changing the marquee letters at the theater where it was showing... Never saw the movie, though..... "<>" From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Tue Jan 22 00:04:02 2002 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:04:02 -0800 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren, the Author In-Reply-To: <02b801c1a2df$03106f60$f597bc3e@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Today, whilst looking for used novels under another author, ran across a fantasy book by Mick Farren. I assume this is the very same Mick Farren from the Pink Fairies/Deviants fame? Had no idea he was an author at all. In any case, it was the novels title that caught my eye "Texts of Festival". Don't suppose it is pure coincidence that there is a HW live/comp album of the same name, hehe. Found online his (amusing) impressions of it: "The gauche first novel. In a post apocalyptic environmental disaster world, where the technology has been reduced to the level of the Wild Bunch, sixties rock songs are treated as religious texts and character called Iggy kills a lot of people. (I was pretty young at the time.)" And yes, I did pick it up ;) Dave From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Jan 21 23:58:36 2002 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:58:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out on > recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and also > on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second > House' programme Wasn't Hillage also on Kevin Ayers & Decadence-Bananamour LP? Jerry From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 22 05:26:34 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:26:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: I thought the Quad remix was a rather tasteful touch. Even if I did only get to her it in proper quad once :~( What others be there? I have a version by Duo Sonare, two German blokes with clasical guitars - surprisingly pleasant too. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > I've got about ten different versions of it (and I don't mean any reissued > CD's either). > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Allen" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > The live T.Bells is worth listening too, even if you have the original, > > there's some nifty interpretations on there, plus other material from > later > > recordings which makes it worth it. > > As far as I'm concerned, whilst I loved the Exorcist, I thought the way > > Tubular Bells was used in the film was terrible. It sounds like a bad > > afterthought, roughly stuck in by a deaf and tasteless producer! > > T.Bells is, after all, a piece written about the English countryside. > > So I reckon the LP is infinitely better. Mind you I grew up listening to > it > > ;?> > > > > Chris. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck Rosenberg" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:53 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/20/02 5:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > > > > > > > > > > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the > > Live > > > > > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > > > > > > > And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha, actually, that's my least favorite part! don't know if it was > intended > > to > > > sound "evil" when he recorded that part...but i never really saw how it > > > connects to the rest of the album (well...side one, anyway...), it being > > such > > > a happy, new-agey type of theme. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 22 05:31:23 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:31:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: Heheh, Aye Hergest Ridge was more obviously Greensleeves and ploughshares, but listening to TB whilst in, er, another perceptual state it's obvious how much the Bells in about the rhythms of a year in the countryside, including trips to the pub, etc.. Ahem. ----- Original Message ----- From: > ...sounds to this one more like his 2nd album, "Hergest Ridge", might have > more to do with the "English Countryside"...y'think? > > Yeah, that LP blew me away, in late '73; hadnt heard anything like it before. > I ran out and bought the one copy at the record store...some time before "the > exorcist", by the way. > > There was an edited 45 of it in early '74, in the wake of that movie...and > one of the first jobs I ever had was changing the marquee letters at the > theater where it was showing... > > Never saw the movie, though..... > > "<>" > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 22 05:32:55 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:32:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Aye, the first release was the recording of the 4th performance of TB was it not? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out on > recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and also > on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second > House' programme From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 22 08:10:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:10:13 EST Subject: OFF ~ need a giggle?? ~ OFF Message-ID: Go see - RAT RACE - Its a funny ass movie man..... go see good cure for the blues From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Tue Jan 22 08:47:36 2002 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:47:36 +0000 Subject: off: Second time lucky Message-ID: Hello, I know I asked this a while ago... and though I did get a reply then.... when I've tried to contact the same person again since, I've never got a reply.. and I'm getting very desperate about it,... I need to get hold of a copy of Neil Young's Rock and Roll Cowboy.... If someone could burn me a copy of it I would be more gratefull than you could imagine... If anyone knows of one for sale.. I would like very much to know about that too..... Hope someone can help. L. xx From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Jan 22 12:56:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: Just been digitising some footage of Bowie from the 70s for a customer of my (http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/dvd) business, and who should pop up playing violin in the concert but Mr. Simon House, looking very cool for the times 8-)) I knew he played with Bowie, but hadn't expected to come across live footage! Steve Litchfield From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 22 14:08:21 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:08:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: well, including illegal stuff, there's Tubular Bells - original CD/anniversary CD/remastered CD/SACD/the remixed thing in the 'Boxed' box set/ I think another proper one floating around somewhere/mini-disc presumably. Tubular Bells - live version on the 'Exposed' set/a bootleg CD I have which is the right thing but not recorded where and when it say on the sleeve/ my tape of the QEH premiere performance/my tape of the Second House TV broadcast/about half the Second House TV broadcast on video tape/orchestral Tubular Bells CD/ my tape of the live Orchestral Tubular Bells performance from wherever it was courtesy of the BBC Tubular Bells 2 - the CD/the bootleg live CD/the official video of the live CD/the official DVD of the live CD Tubular bells 3 - CD, DVD Millennium Bell Some DVD performance of Millennium Bell live in Germany I think and so it goes on...and on....and on....and on - just don't ask!! - I've given up now......I'm all 'belled out' - I used to love that stuff. Andy G. P.S. I've left the thread intact for us saddos who want to keep all this stuff in one piece. I'll get me coat.................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > I thought the Quad remix was a rather tasteful touch. > Even if I did only get to her it in proper quad once :~( > > What others be there? > > I have a version by Duo Sonare, two German blokes with clasical guitars - > surprisingly pleasant too. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > I've got about ten different versions of it (and I don't mean any reissued > > CD's either). > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Allen" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:27 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > > > > The live T.Bells is worth listening too, even if you have the original, > > > there's some nifty interpretations on there, plus other material from > > later > > > recordings which makes it worth it. > > > As far as I'm concerned, whilst I loved the Exorcist, I thought the way > > > Tubular Bells was used in the film was terrible. It sounds like a bad > > > afterthought, roughly stuck in by a deaf and tasteless producer! > > > T.Bells is, after all, a piece written about the English countryside. > > > So I reckon the LP is infinitely better. Mind you I grew up listening > to > > it > > > ;?> > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chuck Rosenberg" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/20/02 5:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > links, but was Hillage on the live T. Bells mentioned? and, is the > > > Live > > > > > > T-Bells something you really need if you already have the orig? > > > > > > > > > > And, do you really need the orig. if you've seen The Exorcist? > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha, actually, that's my least favorite part! don't know if it was > > intended > > > to > > > > sound "evil" when he recorded that part...but i never really saw how > it > > > > connects to the rest of the album (well...side one, anyway...), it > being > > > such > > > > a happy, new-agey type of theme. > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 22 14:09:32 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup Message-ID: that makes 'Ommadawn' the sound of father christmas, Rudolph the Pig Nosed Reindeer and more bloody bells.... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Green-pea Soup > Heheh, Aye Hergest Ridge was more obviously Greensleeves and ploughshares, > but listening to TB whilst in, er, another perceptual state it's obvious how > much the Bells in about the rhythms of a year in the countryside, including > trips to the pub, etc.. > Ahem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > ...sounds to this one more like his 2nd album, "Hergest Ridge", might have > > more to do with the "English Countryside"...y'think? > > > > Yeah, that LP blew me away, in late '73; hadnt heard anything like it > before. > > I ran out and bought the one copy at the record store...some time before > "the > > exorcist", by the way. > > > > There was an edited 45 of it in early '74, in the wake of that > movie...and > > one of the first jobs I ever had was changing the marquee letters at the > > theater where it was showing... > > > > Never saw the movie, though..... > > > > "<>" > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 22 14:11:24 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:11:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: oh yes - and Wyatt - a track each if I remember correctly and Ayers' best and most 'normal' decent album, but still not the finery that is the first of the two volumes of Radio One Sesions CD's. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > > > Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out on > > recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and > also > > on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second > > House' programme > > Wasn't Hillage also on Kevin Ayers & Decadence-Bananamour LP? > > Jerry From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Jan 22 14:52:46 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:52:46 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: January 2002 issue online NOW!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com The January 2002 issue of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers spacerock, psychedelia, electronic music, plus the more eclectic forms of jazz and progressive rock. Join us as we celebrate the beginning of our FIFTH year of publication!!! See the index of this issue's contents below. Announcements: It is with heavy hearts that we mourn the passing in 2001 of Michael Karoli, Florian Fricke, and George Harrison, and we dedicate this issue to their memory. Don't foget that the Copenhagen Space Rock Festival is still scheduled for March 23, 2002. The AMAZING lineup of bands will include The Spacious Mind, DarXtar, Dark Sun, Pseudo Sun, Gas Giant, and Mantric Muse. For details you can visit their web site at: http://www.spacerock.subnet.dk. And look for an AI radio special in February featuring all the bands. Sonic Detours is coming! Sonic Detours is a collective of writers and publishers whose focus is all genres of underground and independent music. This will be a printed publication and each issue will include a CD. Keep your eyes peeled to http://www.sonicdetours.com for details of what is going to be the best dang printed underground rag you've ever seen. The January 2002 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Ozric Tentacles (interview) Harvey Bainbridge (interview) Djam Karet (review/interview) Peter Frohmader (review/interview) Nine Days' Wonder (profile/interview) Into The Abyss (review/interview) Electric Orange (review/interview) Greg Segal (review/interview) Scattered Planets (review/interview) Strange Daze 2001 Space Rock Festival Coverage Tales Of The ACTION MAN: Shadow Of Mot?rhead What Exactly Comes After Post-Rock? Part Three of an Audio Journey: The Droners (article and audio) Gnawing Medusa's Flesh: The Science Fiction Poetry Of Robert Calvert (BOOK) US SPACEROCK: A Brief and Personal History by a Participant (Part 1 1975-2001) Free-Improv Case Studies: Bret Hart's Duets Series Live Recordings and Shows Recent Releases from Submergence Recent Releases from Beta-Lactam Ring Records Releases from Mizmaze Records Recent Alien Planetscapes Releases and Reissues Recent Releases From Burning Shed/Headphone Dust Recent Releases from Orange Entropy Records Recent Releases from Meteor City Recent Releases from the W.O.O. Clan Recent Releases from Slutfish Records Recent Releases from Cuneiform Records Recent Releases from Jester Records Recent Releases from Zzaj Productions Recent Releases from Accretions Recent Releases from Ammonite Records Reissues from Get Back Recent Releases from Magna Carta And OODLES of reviews!!! Phewwww.... you think we got enough shit in this issue? You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/issue18.html Don't forget to check out Aural Innovations Radio for the best sounds on the planet. All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 22 15:42:10 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:42:10 -0500 Subject: Odds and sods Message-ID: Here's some input on some recent topics. Sorry for mashing them all together. Even more sorry for inflicting them on you. >Just won Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on ebay for $US6.00. >Has anyone got this? Well, everyone has been more or less positive about this one, so I'll be the grinch here. I like Steve's work with the Hawklords, and though it's not to everyone's taste, I think the synth solo on 'Valium 10' is something of a minimalist masterpiece. But as for 'Fresh Blood' - I got this way back when, complete with promo sticker on the front saying 'Suggested cuts' and a tracklisting with little boxes to be checked off (does that increase or decrease the value I wonder?) Steve looks sort of like a very middle-of-the-road 80's rocker on the cover and inside sleeve and to be honest that's how the music in general struck me as well, so I never really warmed to it. The musicians are of course good and you can't fault their performance, and Steve actually has a very good voice and does a thoroughly professional production job. For me it's all just TOO professionally bland, too obviously an attempt at mainstream commercial viability. Nothing wrong with that of course, it just isn't the kind of thing that excites me, unless done really, REALLY well. So I give it thumbs down, but for pretty subjective reasons. Interestingly enough, if I had gotten this before 'Live 79' and tried to guess which song had been a Hawkwind track, 'Shot Down in the Night' would have been my second choice - the opener, 'Turn it On, Turn it Off' would have been my first guess. I think it's lyrics have a slightly Calvertian feel to them, and some of Brock's early 80's themes are present. > Captain Mikel Anubis > >Cosmic BrotherHood of Ra Temple of Isis > >International Fellowship of Isis > >I live by the Divine Order of Ma'at, the Sacred Principles upon which ISIS >Herself created the Planet Earth. > >Ankh Udja Seneb!!! Last weekend I was at the Brooklyn Museum of Art and saw the 'Eternal Egypt' exhibition - highlights included some papyrus pages from various 'Books of the Dead', including one nice sequence where the deceased's soul is being weighed against the feather of Ma'at by jackal-headed Anubis while ibis-headed Thoth records the outcome, the dread devourer waits hungrily nearby, and the other gods watch. Luckily the traveller is judged favorably and he moves on to the Field of Reeds. Of course, if you believe Stargate-SG1, Isis and the other Egyptian gods were actually evil alien parasites. >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500, Tim wrote: >>Now i've got some more choices, and a shortage of money,so i need your >>votes,please: >>amon duul 2 -live on bbc radio 1 >>gong - live on tv 1990 >>ozric tentacles - pungent effulgent >> " - erpland Doug replied: >I'm probably the wrong person to ask, since I would strongly vote against >all four. Although you can probably ignore my vote against the Ozrics >discs, just 'cause I personally don't like 'em (remind me too much of the >Grateful Dead, and not enough of Gong - YMMV). Even if you DO like them, >buying an Ozric Tentacles album before owning all of Gong's best albums >would be sort of like buyinga bunch of Farflung & MQB albums without >owning 'Doremi Fasol Latido' and 'Quark, Strangeness & Charm'. I do enjoy occasionally listening to the Ozrics, and Pungent Effulgent and Erpland are 2 of my 3 favorite OT albums (Strangeitude being the other). Live Ethereal Cereal would round out my picks for the best OT material. >For the other two bands, you'd do MUCH better to start with their albums >that include Hawkwind members. Amon Du?l's first two albums (with Dave >Anderson), 'Phallus Dei' and 'Yeti' are BRILLIANT! Yes yes yes. And I see that CDNow lists remasters of these w/ bonus tracks as being available at the end of this month, though they were already available as imports for a while. Yes yes yes. >And the next three, 'Carnival In Babylon', 'Dance of the Lemmings' and >'Wolf City' (all without Anderson) are also very good. The Radio 1 show >was recorded a couple years after those. Yes again. Also very good is the disc titled Live in London (Rodney Matthews alien attacking Big Ben on the cover art) - an excellent and energetic live show with material from Yeti and Dance. >Grakkl (FAA) ... who would rather listen to the full-length restored rock >opera version of Made in Germany (Repertoire) by Amon Duul II than listen to >all of Yeti, which is fantastically blasphemous I know, but I think Side 3 >is the essence of something that works perfectly well at 6 min. (as on Side >4) (so why play it for 20?) Ooh, blasphemy indeed! (Making the sign to ward off evil). Not only is Yeti brilliant and my favorite ADII album (side-long track and all), it is also one of my favorite albums period. I find the improvs on there to be so listenable that what is good at 6 minutes is twice as good at 12, and 3x as good at 18! Having said that, it is now my turn to blaspheme (against nature, Doug, and spacerock), and admit that, aside from the odd track here and there, I do not own any Gong recordings. This, along with the absence of any early Pink Floyd, is probably the most obviously gaping hole in my collection and something that I'll eventually have to address. I do intend to one day get hold of at least the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy as Doug recommends. Farflung on Falcata-galia: when IS this coming out? I think Keith is right about F-G being linked to Transparency, but I can't contact Transparency, they seem to have gone off the air, probably suffering from the New Year internet drop-off syndrome - that's when you come back after Christmas vacation and suddenly find lots of websites and e-mail addresses that have disappeared or stopped working, presumably due to failure to renew the lease. And the F-G website also lists Falc-0062 - 'The Brain' TBA - is that going to be a new release from Grenas/Fox? Last but not least, does anyone have a source for the Lexicon Devil VocoKesh reissue? Thanks for your time, Stephan From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Jan 22 15:27:03 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:27:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <02b701c1a2df$023ddd20$f597bc3e@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Crikey... that triggered off a deep-seated and long forgotten memory.. Now I'll get beck to eating that madeleine...(inhales deeply) ChrisW At 00:34 22/01/02, you wrote: >Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out on >recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and also >on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second >House' programme From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 22 16:15:39 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:15:39 -0500 Subject: Odds and sods Message-ID: SF says... >>For the other two bands, you'd do MUCH better to start with their albums >>that include Hawkwind members. Amon Du?l's first two albums (with Dave >>Anderson), 'Phallus Dei' and 'Yeti' are BRILLIANT! > >Yes yes yes. And I see that CDNow lists remasters of these w/ bonus tracks >as being available at the end of this month, though they were already >available as imports for a while. Yes yes yes. On 12 different labels I believe. :) >>And the next three, 'Carnival In Babylon', 'Dance of the Lemmings' and >>'Wolf City' (all without Anderson) are also very good. The Radio 1 show >>was recorded a couple years after those. > >Yes again. Also very good is the disc titled Live in London (Rodney Matthews >alien attacking Big Ben on the cover art) Telecom tower I should think? (If they play in London and do another live album, I imagine the beast should be attacking the London Eye thingy now.) >>Grakkl (FAA) ... who would rather listen to the full-length restored rock >>opera version of Made in Germany (Repertoire) by Amon Duul II than listen to >>all of Yeti, which is fantastically blasphemous I know, but I think Side 3 >>is the essence of something that works perfectly well at 6 min. (as on Side >>4) (so why play it for 20?) > >Ooh, blasphemy indeed! (Making the sign to ward off evil). Not only is Yeti >brilliant and my favorite ADII album (side-long track and all), it is also >one of my favorite albums period. I find the improvs on there to be so >listenable that what is good at 6 minutes is twice as good at 12, and 3x as >good at 18! I dunno...I think maybe it's just that Dave Anderson's bass just isn't doing it for me. I think about how much better it would be if it were Ade Shaw or Lemmy playing there. And I don't say that because of Anderson's culpability for the Yuri Gagarin releases either. >Having said that, it is now my turn to blaspheme (against >nature, Doug, and spacerock), and admit that, aside from the odd track here >and there, I do not own any Gong recordings. This, along with the absence of >any early Pink Floyd A Saucerful of Secrets man. >is probably the most obviously gaping hole in my >collection and something that I'll eventually have to address. I do intend >to one day get hold of at least the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy as Doug >recommends. Angels Egg is my favorite, even though You is the more spacerock jam album. The Flute Salad/Oily Way/Inner Temple/Outer Temple sequence is (for me) the Gong analog of Assault & Battery/The Golden Void. >Farflung on Falcata-galia: >when IS this coming out? I think Keith is right about F-G being linked to >Transparency, I think Jerry told me that the only relationship was that Transparency was distributing some F-G product. Nothing more formal than that. Correct me if I'm mistaken, Jerry. Grakkl (FAA) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jan 22 17:04:59 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:04:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:11:24 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >oh yes - and Wyatt - a track each if I remember correctly and Ayers' best >and most 'normal' decent album, but still not the finery that is the first >of the two volumes of Radio One Sesions CD's. Hillage and Wyatt each appear on only one track of 'Bananamour' (Wyatt appears much more on Ayers' 3 previous solo albums, 'Joy Of A Toy', 'Whatevershebringswesing', 'Shooting at the Moon', all of which I like much more than 'Bananamour', but not as much as the BBC session where the 7-piece horn-loaded version of the Soft Machine backs Kevin for an amazing version of "Why Are We Sleeping"). And while we're on the subject, Don Falcone informs me that Simon House *also* played on one of the live Tubular Bells performances (is this true? any of the Oldfield-philes here know which one?), so that would be the shortest Oldfield link yet! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Guizar" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:58 AM >Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned > > >> From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" >> >> > Hillage was on the original live performance of TB that never came out >on >> > recorded medium, although was broadcast on radio in its entirety, and >> also >> > on the BBC-TV broadcast of the first half of the work on BBC2's 'Second >> > House' programme >> >> Wasn't Hillage also on Kevin Ayers & Decadence-Bananamour LP? >> >> Jerry From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 22 17:41:11 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:41:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned In-Reply-To: <200201222204.RAA24733@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 05:04:59PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 05:04:59PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > And while we're on the subject, Don Falcone informs me that Simon House > *also* played on one of the live Tubular Bells performances (is this true? > any of the Oldfield-philes here know which one?), so that would be the > shortest Oldfield link yet! Heh! Just did a web search. Turns out SH even appears on The Complete Mike Oldfield compilation. He was in the band in 1983 ... along with a drummer named Simon Phillips (seems to be a recurring theme, being in bands with other Simons who are drummers :-) This page: http://www.static18.tubular.eu.org/ARTISTS/JOERN.HTM has a picture captioned: Simon House, Mike Oldfield, Simon Phillips, Phil Spalding. Hamburg St.Pauli Stadion 14.06.83 Not that I can make out either of the faces I might actually recognize... And a long-way-around link (discovered on a Voiceprint CD listed on the artist-shop.com site): - Simon Heyworth (yet another...) produced Tubular Bells - He played on a record called Tarka with Anthony Phillips and Harry Williamson - Williamson has played in Gong, Mother Gong, and Nik Turner's Sphynx -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 22 18:44:17 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:44:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned Message-ID: Yeah Liquid Len did the Republican Party light show!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Magnusson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 January 2002 22:40 Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned >Can anyone connect Ronald Reagan and HW ? >------- >Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ >The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 22 19:12:47 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:12:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Sabbath/Deep Purple/Hawkwind) Message-ID: Okay, Crucial link - Bob Daisley. Bob and Huw played together in Widowmaker. Bob was in Ozzy's band in the early eighties and in Rainbow (hence Purple) in 77/78. Later he moved to Uriah Heep and played alongside Hawkwind at Donnington. Dave From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 22 19:16:12 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:16:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Oldfield) Message-ID: Mike Oldfield guested with Pierre Moerlins Gong, as did Mick Taylor (ex-Rolling Stone). Which leads to HW either by the Gimme Shelter cover or Dave's early years connections. Dave From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 22 18:00:54 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Sabbath/Deep Purple/Hawkwind) Message-ID: >Okay, >Crucial link - Bob Daisley. Bob and Huw played together in Widowmaker. Bob >was in Ozzy's band in the early eighties and in Rainbow (hence Purple) in >77/78. Later he moved to Uriah Heep and played alongside Hawkwind at >Donnington. Well, Paul Martinez, who was in both Paice, Ashton, and Lord (along with Whitesnake's Bernie Marsden), also played with Martin Griffin in Richard Strange's band, a lineup which also appears directly on the Hawkwind-Friends & Relations II album....so there you already had that link to the entire Purple family tree, as well as the Led Zeppelin tree (via Martinez' later involvement with Robert Plant solo). Grakkl (FAA) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 22 19:19:47 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:19:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Tangerine Dream/EMS) Message-ID: The easy connection! Tim Blake. Tim used to demo EMS synthis in the early early 70's to the likes of the Tangs, Floyd etc. At least that's the story. Dave From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 22 18:14:22 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:14:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes Message-ID: Hey there.. Can anyone tell me anything about a Dutch band called The Use of Ashes?? A guy named Peter van Vliet is the leader/guitarist/vocalist, and appears (or so it seems) on the IEM - IEM Have Come for your Children CD. TUoA apparently toured with PTree some time ago, so no doubt that's how he and SW met. I also saw reference to Van Vliet playing in a Pink Floyd tribute concert. I was just wondering what their CDs were like, or even what CDs they have, and where they might be available. Grakkl (FAA) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 22 21:27:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:27:13 EST Subject: Warrior On the edge of time Message-ID: This is a fine day indeed!!! My sealed griffin WOTEOT box set arrived today. I won it in a bid on ebay a number of weeks ago. However - I am having trouble bringing myself to open it - argh I'm sure I will eventually :-) Someone out there wanna convince me to open it?? LoL From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 00:21:50 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:21:50 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/19/02 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 1/19 1.Pink Floyd-- "Astronomy Domine" (Umma Gumma; EMI/Harvest) 2.Abunai!-- "Time of the Funk-Lords/749 XL/Herb Skirt" (Round Wound; Camera Obscura) 3.The Clash-- "Bank Robber/Robber Dub" (Black Market Clash; CBS/Epic; by request for Jenna and Shandy) 4.Vas Deferens Org-- "Futura Perspective" (Zyzzybalouba; Aether) 5.Faust-- "Munic B" (71 Minutes; ReR/Cuneiform) 6.Lightning Bolt-- "Fleeing the Valley of Whirling Knives" (ST'd; Load) 7.Pink and Brown-- "Enter Officer, Exit Wound" (Final Foods; Toyo) 8.Cluster-- "Im Suden" (II; Spalax) 9.Flowchart-- "Another Word Explodes" (Cumulus Mood Twang; Carrot Top) 10.Silver Apples-- "Walkin'" (The Garden; Whirlybird) 11.Vocokesh-- "Number 31" (Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil) 12.Hawkwind-- "Lord of Light" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 13.Alien Planetscapes-- "Lucky 13" (Life on Earth; Galactus/AP) thanks, Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 00:41:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:41:29 EST Subject: WOTEOT Message-ID: can someone answer me this Did the fools that put the wrong band on WOTEOT at Griffin get burnt at the stake for their evil mistake and if not can I apply for the job as head match lighter? grrrrrrr - how disapointing LoL boohoo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 23 00:57:52 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:57:52 -0500 Subject: WOTEOT Message-ID: >can someone answer me this > >Did the fools that put the wrong band on WOTEOT at Griffin get burnt at the >stake for their evil mistake Welcome to Pendragon - The World. Enjoy your mispress. :) Perhaps a kollektor will wish to take this off your hands? Grakkl (FAA) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 04:06:42 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:06:42 EST Subject: WOTEOT Message-ID: In a message dated 23/01/02 4:47:47 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Welcome to Pendragon - The World. > > Enjoy your mispress. :) Perhaps a kollektor will wish to take this off > your hands? > Interesting musak tho - but not what I was hoping for LoL when the music came on i was rather surprised - to say the least anyone interested in a trade? if you have an extra griffin cd and need a funky misprint in your kollection ?? email me privately... Michaelangelo68 at aol.com warrior without a warrior From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 05:41:20 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:41:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Oldfield) Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:16:12 -0000, dave hall wrote: >Mike Oldfield guested with Pierre Moerlins Gong, as did Mick Taylor >(ex-Rolling Stone). Which leads to HW either by the Gimme Shelter cover or >Dave's early years connections. The other connections I had in mind were: 1. The easy one (surprised no-one's mentioned this): Viv Stanshall appears on both Tubular Bells and Captain Lockheed. I assumed this was the most direct link- but I didn't know Simon House had played with Oldfield. 2. Convoluted: Jon Anderson of Yes appears on Oldfield's "Crises" album, Anderson was in Yes with Bill Bruford, from whom you can link to HW via either Fripp, Genesis, or Roy Harper. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Jan 22 22:49:12 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:49:12 -0500 Subject: Warrior On the edge of time Message-ID: it is a waste,if not a crime,to not read a book or listen to a cd... music and literature was made to enjoy,collecting for collecting's sake is but a sterile exercise. (does that help??) tim Michael W Blackman wrote: > > This is a fine day indeed!!! > > My sealed griffin WOTEOT box set arrived today. I won it in a bid on ebay a > number of weeks ago. > > However - I am having trouble bringing myself to open it - argh > > I'm sure I will eventually :-) > > Someone out there wanna convince me to open it?? LoL From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 06:16:02 2002 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:16:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Festival Message-ID: Hello folks! The festival that is being planned for the summer will be limited to 1000 passport holders. Tickets will be available to the first 1000 people who register. If you have already registered via the web page (Mission Control), please do so again as we have had problems with the form, but it is sorted out now. Best wishes Kris From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 23 06:21:17 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:21:17 +0000 Subject: HW: recordings of the current lineup? Message-ID: >From: Stephen Swann >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: recordings of the current lineup? >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:51:49 -0500 > >Are there any recordings available of the current lineup >with Simon and Huw? > >I'd even settle for a decent tape, although I'm hoping that >they've been recording with the idea in mind of releasing a >live album along the lines of Business Trip or Palace >Springs featuring this lineup... > >Thanks! > >Steve steve,I can help you here,I've got the Canturbury show on CD,great show great sounds!!!!Contact me just make sure I notice IT!!I dont get online too often but I'll contact you somehow,,,,yadnala _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 07:41:59 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:41:59 EST Subject: Warrior On the edge of time Message-ID: In a message dated 23/01/02 9:25:15 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > it is a waste,if not a crime,to not read a book or listen to a cd... > music and literature was made to enjoy,collecting for collecting's sake > is but a sterile exercise. > (does that help??) > tim > Thanks Tim - I opened the cd today and played it and to my horror it was some other bands music- for the first - umm - 10 seconds or so I kept hoping it was some bonus track. But I was only fooling myself. But for a few hours I had what I thought was a virgin WOTEOT. The book, Illistrated Collectors guide to Hawkwind is interesting tho and its in mint mint condition - so thats a bonus - and the cd case and cover is all in beautiful virgin mint condition - so Iam happy about that shame about the actual cd tho From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 07:48:34 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:48:34 GMT Subject: Warrior On the edge of time In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:41:59 EST Message-ID: > > it is a waste,if not a crime,to not read a book or listen to a cd... > > music and literature was made to enjoy,collecting for collecting's sake > > is but a sterile exercise. Before I hit puberty I was to realise that life would consist of a nagging "To Read" pile and the constant worry that I'd die with it taller than I was. Approaching middle age, I now realise that the days of my youth were indeed carefree and that the complexities of adult life were to bring with them the twin horrors of the "To View" and the "To Listen To" piles. The economics of the situation sadly mean that I will be able to add to these piles at a far greater rate than I'll be able to reduce them. On the optimistic side, I won't be short of entertainment in retirement. FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 07:50:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:50:47 EST Subject: Hawkwind query Message-ID: I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything else to add maybe? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 07:53:30 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:53:30 GMT Subject: Hawkwind query In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:50:47 EST Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't > listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it > > It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything > else to add maybe? Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 08:00:37 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:00:37 EST Subject: Hawkwind query Message-ID: In a message dated 23/01/02 11:23:51 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting > isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to > bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... > 73 or 74? Why do you say this? Is this a well known and disputed live recording? interesting..... From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM Wed Jan 23 08:22:19 2002 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:22:19 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: Hi > I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't > listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it > > It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything > else to add maybe? >Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting >isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to >bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... The neverending story Here are the facts: Two dates exist for this recording: - Harlow, 10. August 1974 - Windsor, 25. August 1973 - Mike Moorcock was on stage I have discussed with countless fans about this recording. The track listing could be from 1973 and from 1974. It was a very special gig with some very special tracks. Rainer Wangler and me think that this recording is indeed from Windsor 1973 But we are not 100% sure :-( Bernhard Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 08:28:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:28:35 EST Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: In a message dated 23/01/02 11:53:21 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM writes: > Rainer Wangler and me think that this recording is indeed from Windsor 1973 > But we are not 100% sure :-( > Very cool - a mystery - I will have a good listen later thanks From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 08:57:12 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:57:12 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind query In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:22:19 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > Hi > > > I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't > > listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it > > > > It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything > > else to add maybe? > > >Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting > >isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to > >bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... > > The neverending story > > Here are the facts: > Two dates exist for this recording: > - Harlow, 10. August 1974 > - Windsor, 25. August 1973 > > - Mike Moorcock was on stage > > I have discussed with countless fans about this recording. > > The track listing could be from 1973 and from 1974. > It was a very special gig with some very special tracks. > > Rainer Wangler and me think that this recording is indeed from Windsor 1973 > But we are not 100% sure :-( Ah well. I thought we'd tracked down someone who'd been at Harlow 1974 who said there'd been a power cut. Since that's not on the tape, the conclusion was that it was 1973. There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. Never a dull moment... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 09:08:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:08:15 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: OK, new topic for the party animals out there... Back during the last tour I was chatting to Arin and idly speculating about a better system for following a tour than booking hotel rooms and trains planes and automobiles. Not only is it expensive, but it takes up more time to travel, find a hotel, find the gig and the bar and so on than it does to spend time enjoying the tour. Bands and roadies get around this by hiring a tour bus and driver. So we thought, what would the economics be of hiring another tour bus (presumably there are idle tour buses to match idle bands at any given time?) to accomodate fans travelling around parts of the tour. Clearly there's a certain cost per day of hire of the vehicle, running costs, and to pay a driver. However, a number of people would fit in. It'd be less comfortable than most hotel rooms. On the other hand, it'd be a case of sleeping through the travel to the next gig and saving on those travel costs. The community spirit (or beer) would make up somewhat for the discomfort. It'd essentially be a rolling party. So the questions are really of interest and economics. Would enough people book enough bunks on enough nights to make the costs (including some empty bunks on some night) work out. Sp does anyone have any idea of costs per day to run a bus? How many people could be accomodated? Can anyone get numbers from the band? How many people here would be interested in principle if the economics matched or were cheaper than normal hotel or travel costs? Mike "Furthur" Holmes From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 09:08:31 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:08:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Oldfield) Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:41:20 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >Viv Stanshall appears >on both Tubular Bells and Captain Lockheed. Further to that: there's a great site on Mr Stanshall at http://www.gv.net/~syd/GingerGeezer/ Wait for the opening movie to load- it's worth it. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 09:12:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:12:44 EST Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/02 12:27:54 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Ah well. I thought we'd tracked down someone who'd been at Harlow 1974 > who said there'd been a power cut. Since that's not on the tape, the > conclusion was that it was 1973. > > There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a > frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. > > Never a dull moment... > If it was a realistic frog suit there may be a squidging sound as he hit the deck depending how close the guy who was recording the event was to the stage or perhaps the crunching of a saxaphone?? Interesting stuff tho - cheers From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Jan 23 09:08:24 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:08:24 -0500 Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: I think that the newspaper cutting from that story appeared in the Do Not Panic book? I live about 5 miles from Harlow but moved in about 18 years too late! Does anyone know anything about the Hype book on sale on Ebay at the moment. Did it come with some of the LP's? Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 23/01/02 08:57 Subject: Re: AW: Hawkwind query Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > Hi > > > I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't > > listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it > > > > It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything > > else to add maybe? > > >Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting > >isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to > >bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... > > The neverending story > > Here are the facts: > Two dates exist for this recording: > - Harlow, 10. August 1974 > - Windsor, 25. August 1973 > > - Mike Moorcock was on stage > > I have discussed with countless fans about this recording. > > The track listing could be from 1973 and from 1974. > It was a very special gig with some very special tracks. > > Rainer Wangler and me think that this recording is indeed from Windsor 1973 > But we are not 100% sure :-( Ah well. I thought we'd tracked down someone who'd been at Harlow 1974 who said there'd been a power cut. Since that's not on the tape, the conclusion was that it was 1973. There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. Never a dull moment... FoFP Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 09:16:23 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:16:23 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind query In-Reply-To: Jobson, Eddie's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: Jobson, Eddie writes: > I think that the newspaper cutting from that story appeared in the Do Not > Panic book? I live about 5 miles from Harlow but moved in about 18 years too > late! Yeah, when I got to the crossroads at Haight-Ashbury and was getting my photo taken, a guy rushed out of Ben & Jerry's to tell me I was 32 years late, but he was glad I'd finally made it. FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 09:20:52 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:20:52 EST Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/02 12:39:01 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Sp does anyone have any idea of costs per day to run a bus? How many > people could be accomodated? Can anyone get numbers from the band? How > many people here would be interested in principle if the economics > matched or were cheaper than normal hotel or travel costs? > Sounds like a groovy idea - I would be in that - once all relavent data was gathered and it was shown to be viable option. I can sleep anywhere - nee problems and if theres beer involved then even easier perhaps a tent could be arranged or individuals could bring their own ??? for those days when there is time to setup and the local camping grounds could be invaded??? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 09:25:22 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:25:22 EST Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: In a message dated 24/01/02 12:44:36 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET writes: > I think that the newspaper cutting from that story appeared in the Do Not > Panic book? I live about 5 miles from Harlow but moved in about 18 years > too > late! > I'll have to have another read thru the book - I do recall somewhere hearing of the foul deed From m.french at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 11:34:30 2002 From: m.french at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Merrick French) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:34:30 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? In-Reply-To: <200201231408.OAA28191@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: When we were talking to Dave, he said that the tour bus was costing ?1800 per week, sleeping 12 or 14, I can't remember Love, light and peace Julie and Merrick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 23 12:00:49 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:00:49 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? In-Reply-To: Merrick French's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:34:30 -0000 Message-ID: Merrick French writes: > When we were talking to Dave, he said that the tour bus was > costing ?1800 per week, sleeping 12 or 14, I can't remember That'd put it at around 260 quid per day. At those numbers it'd cost 20 quid per person per night at capacity. Even if we could only half fill it it'd be 40 quid per person per night which is still cheaper than travel plus hotel, never mind the convenience of waking up where you were headed. If the numbers are anything like this then it's a practical proposition provided there are enough of us willing to rough it a little to join the rolling party? It shouldn't be so hard to organise. A web form to book and send deposit money to confirm. Advertising is probably easy since between us we probably know 75% of the folks who are serious enough to even consider this. Dunno how easy it is to find an actual tour bus though. Could anyone here get accurate numbers from Dave, including fuel and driver costs? FoFP "You're either on the bus, or you're not on the bus." -- Ken Kesey From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 12:12:24 2002 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0000 Subject: OFF:Re: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: I'm not sure how many the first bus slept, but after the driver was admitted to hospital (second hospitalised driver in two tours!) and the replacement bus/driver came, that was a 14 berth I think. Although I didn't sleep on it I know that condtions were 'basic', with little privacy. I am reminded of the League of Gentlemen sketch about the downstairs toilet with the Dentons: '...into which we don't pass solids'. You would also have to be sure that any prices for hire included such things as fuel, and whether there would be charges for parking, etc. Some venues have very little parking space available, and most motorway services/car parks charge for coach parking. It would be OK for a couple of nights, but more than a week and you would have to be very sure that all the members can get on together and would pay there share of the expenses. Not a thing to organise lightly. The drivers aren't always in agreement with the attitudes of the passengers. (Who mentioned Trev Hughes?) :-) Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merrick French" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? When we were talking to Dave, he said that the tour bus was costing ?1800 per week, sleeping 12 or 14, I can't remember Love, light and peace Julie and Merrick From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 23 12:46:05 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:46:05 -0600 Subject: HW: Items for sale: All Deleted Message-ID: Since my better half has duplicates I am going to liquidate some deleted Hawk Items at the end of January, I'm open to offers for these 3: Hawkwind - Warrior on the edge of time CD (UK Dojo) Hawkwind - Quark Strangeness and Charm CD (UK Virgin) Hawkwind - 25 Years 4CD Box Set (with Book and log) (USA Griffin) Mail Me Direct if interested on : rich.warren at btinternet.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Jan 23 13:20:38 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:20:38 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind query In-Reply-To: <200201231253.MAA03674@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:53:30PM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:53:30PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > Michael W Blackman writes: > > > I have a cdr here which came along as an extra with my woteot - I haven't > > listened to it yet but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it > > > > It says its from Windsor 1973?? Obviously its a live recording. Anything > > else to add maybe? > > Ah well, that's one of the hoary old debates in Hawkwind kollecting > isn't it: Is it Windsor 1973 or Harlow 1974. At this point I'd like to > bring in my colleague Bernhard for comment.... At least it's actually Hawkwind :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Jan 23 13:29:19 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:29:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > Hey there.. > > Can anyone tell me anything about a Dutch band called The Use of Ashes?? A > guy named Peter van Vliet is the leader/guitarist/vocalist, and appears (or > so it seems) on the IEM - IEM Have Come for your Children CD. TUoA > apparently toured with PTree some time ago, so no doubt that's how he and SW > met. I also saw reference to Van Vliet playing in a Pink Floyd tribute > concert. > > I was just wondering what their CDs were like, or even what CDs they have, > and where they might be available. > > Grakkl (FAA) UoA are a dutch duo from Nijmegen. AfaIk they only released one CD in 96 called "Firetree" on italian label Mellow Records. It was also released as a self-released ltd. ed. double vinyl. It?s pretty lame folk rock with lots of electronics and rather depressive lyrics. Definitely not space rock! There?s also a 7" and a 10" (different tracks) on dutch label Tone float. They were indeed support act to PTree in 98. And they also played in 96 support to HW at the Sweet Smoke festival in Tilburg. Live they are even worse than on record IMO. Andreas From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Jan 23 14:43:09 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:43:09 -0700 Subject: OFF: another one bites the dust...Pete Bardens Message-ID: >From a post on the alt.music. progressive list: " Fellow progressive music lovers... It is with great sadness that I pass along the following: At 3am...Tuesday, January 22nd, 2002...Pete Bardens finally succumbed to the lung cancer that had been draining him of his life for many months now. It's been a rough last year or so with Pete, and his suffering is finally at an end. He did have a brief respite at the benefit put on his honor by long-time mate, Mick Fleetwood. Daughter Talulah, friends Joe Walsh, Dave Koz and many others played there hearts out for a beloved man and incredible musician. That night, Pete not only enjoyed his friends, but performed with them, as well. It was a great night. :-) His funeral is next Wed., Jan 30th, 10:30am at Hollywood Forever Cemetery, 6000 Santa Monica Bl., (east of Gower), Hollywood, CA 90038-1864. For those who wish to send flowers, please call 323-469-1155. You must mention the coordinator, Luba...and that they are for Pete Barden's funeral. Our best to you, Pete....Never Let Go." From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 23 14:55:59 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:55:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (Oldfield) Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:41:20 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >2. Convoluted: Jon Anderson of Yes appears on Oldfield's "Crises" album, >Anderson was in Yes with Bill Bruford, from whom you can link to HW via >either Fripp, Genesis, or Roy Harper. ... not to mention that you can also link Yes to HW via Steve Howe - Tomorrow - Twink - Pink Fairies (w/Rudolph) or 'Capt. Lockheed' (w/Calvert, King, Dettmar, Rudolph, Lemmy) or Pretty Things (w/Dick Taylor) or free festival guest appearences (w/all of HW except Terry Ollis!) or 'Mona the Carniverous Circus' (w/Mick Farren) or the 'Pinkwind' LP (w/Nik) or (wow! that's SIX independent connections for Twink!) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 23 15:02:24 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:02:24 -0500 Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:57:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a >frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. There's a great photo of Nik in said frog costume with Stacia that (I think) I saw in the issue of 'Fuz' magazine with the Hawkwind / Deviants / Pink Fairies articles. He's definitely ON the stage in that particular photo. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 23 14:57:25 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:57:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:57:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a >>frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. > >There's a great photo of Nik in said frog costume with Stacia that (I >think) I saw in the issue of 'Fuz' magazine with the Hawkwind / Deviants / >Pink Fairies articles. He's definitely ON the stage in that particular >photo. How 'bout Stacia? Is she entirely on the stage too, or might some of her be lapping over into the orchestra pit? Or was she indeed also in the frog costume with Nik, as this could be interpreted? Which half would she be I wonder? Enquiring minds... Grakkl (FAA) From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 15:44:36 2002 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:44:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind query In-Reply-To: <200201232016.PAA23927@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:57:25 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Or was she indeed also in the frog costume with Nik, as this could be >interpreted? Which half would she be I wonder? I wore that Frog suit in ICU's Little Black Egg video.. I hope it was washed.. -S. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Jan 23 16:10:10 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:10:10 -0500 Subject: Odds and sods Message-ID: >>Farflung on Falcata-galia: >when IS this coming out? I think Keith is right >>about F-G being linked to >Transparency, >I think Jerry told me that the only relationship was that Transparency was >distributing some F-G product. Nothing more formal than that. Correct me if >I'm mistaken, Jerry. No, I just gave you the news that Liquid Sound Records will be releasing a new Farflung this summer. I'm afraid I don't know anything about Transparency/F-G. Jerry From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 17:34:32 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:34:32 -0000 Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: I have a copy of that ...it was reprinted in the NME in the early 80's. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 23 January 2002 20:46 Subject: Re: AW: Hawkwind query >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:57:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>There was also something about Nik falling off the stage dressed in a >>frog costume but I don't remember how that affects the debate. > >There's a great photo of Nik in said frog costume with Stacia that (I >think) I saw in the issue of 'Fuz' magazine with the Hawkwind / Deviants / >Pink Fairies articles. He's definitely ON the stage in that particular >photo. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jan 23 17:16:25 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:16:25 -0500 Subject: AW: Hawkwind query Message-ID: Hey I was at the Harlow gig - it pissed down, and ya Nik fell off in the frog suit...... Rx On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:22:19 +0100, Pospiech, Bernhard wrote: >- Harlow, 10. August 1974 >- Windsor, 25. August 1973 > >- Mike Moorcock was on stage > >I have discussed with countless fans about this recording. > >The track listing could be from 1973 and from 1974. >It was a very special gig with some very special tracks. > >Rainer Wangler and me think that this recording is indeed from Windsor 1973 >But we are not 100% sure :-( From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Jan 23 17:30:17 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:30:17 -0500 Subject: Warrior On the edge of time Message-ID: ha! you and me both brother!! tim M Holmes wrote: > > > > it is a waste,if not a crime,to not read a book or listen to a cd... > > > music and literature was made to enjoy,collecting for collecting's sake > > > is but a sterile exercise. > > Before I hit puberty I was to realise that life would consist of a > nagging "To Read" pile and the constant worry that I'd die with it taller > than I was. Approaching middle age, I now realise that the days of my > youth were indeed carefree and that the complexities of adult life were > to bring with them the twin horrors of the "To View" and the "To Listen > To" piles. The economics of the situation sadly mean that I will be > able to add to these piles at a far greater rate than I'll be able to > reduce them. On the optimistic side, I won't be short of entertainment > in retirement. > > FoFP From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 23 17:39:31 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:39:31 EST Subject: Warrior On the edge of time Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/02 9:28:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > Ya cain't heer Motorhead, Version 1 unless ya do! Joe From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 23 17:45:57 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:45:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Warrior On the edge of time In-Reply-To: <200201231248.MAA02247@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: Warrior On the edge of time : :> > it is a waste,if not a crime,to not read a book or listen to a cd... :> > music and literature was made to enjoy,collecting for collecting's sake :> > is but a sterile exercise. : :Before I hit puberty I was to realise that life would consist of a :nagging "To Read" pile and the constant worry that I'd die with it taller :than I was. Approaching middle age, I now realise that the days of my :youth were indeed carefree and that the complexities of adult life were :to bring with them the twin horrors of the "To View" and the "To Listen :To" piles. The economics of the situation sadly mean that I will be :able to add to these piles at a far greater rate than I'll be able to :reduce them. On the optimistic side, I won't be short of entertainment :in retirement. My To Read pile isn't increasing anywhere as near as quickly as it should be anymore. What with the death rates of my favorite authors and my not finding as many new authors to pick up, I'm definitely slowing down :-( Arin (who finds a To Read pile comforting.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 23 18:29:52 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:29:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes In-Reply-To: <16TS99-0D0WRcC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: >K Henderson wrote: >> Hey there.. >> >> Can anyone tell me anything about a Dutch band called The Use of Ashes?? Never heard of them, but I can tell you where the name probably comes from: a This Mortal Coil song, Use of Ashes might be the name of it, but even if not it has those words as a recurring lyrical motif. Brendan Perry from Dead Can Dance (great band) was the vocalist, although it wasn't a particular favourite track of mine. -- Nick Medford From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 23 18:46:00 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:46:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung reaches of the galaxy Message-ID: Just got word from John Perez (Liquid Sound/Brainticket.com) that the Farflung he will be releasing in June is 'The Myth of Solid Ground' and in his words "they've added a few tracks and some parts to the songs". Stephan From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 23 19:30:02 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:30:02 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? In-Reply-To: <200201231408.OAA28191@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: :Subject: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? : :OK, new topic for the party animals out there... : :Back during the last tour I was chatting to Arin and idly speculating :about a better system for following a tour than booking hotel rooms and :trains planes and automobiles. Not only is it expensive, but it takes up :more time to travel, find a hotel, find the gig and the bar and so on :than it does to spend time enjoying the tour. : :Bands and roadies get around this by hiring a tour bus and driver. So we :thought, what would the economics be of hiring another tour bus :(presumably there are idle tour buses to match idle bands at any given :time?) to accomodate fans travelling around parts of the tour. Clearly :there's a certain cost per day of hire of the vehicle, running costs, :and to pay a driver. However, a number of people would fit in. It'd be :less comfortable than most hotel rooms. On the other hand, it'd be a :case of sleeping through the travel to the next gig and saving on those :travel costs. The community spirit (or beer) would make up somewhat for :the discomfort. It'd essentially be a rolling party. : :So the questions are really of interest and economics. Would enough :people book enough bunks on enough nights to make the costs (including :some empty bunks on some night) work out. needless to say, but I'm all over this idea. Having just done the whirlwind tour around the UK, I really must say that this is far far better to do with company. Might get more overseas fans to come over with this kind of setup, since the annoyance value of figuring out all of your own transportation isn't an issue. Of course, we'll all need to be decent friends, given close quarters, but that might be able to be worked around. Kris -- if you are reading this thread, did you arrange the tour bus stuff? Can we hit you up for info? :Sp does anyone have any idea of costs per day to run a bus? How many :people could be accomodated? Can anyone get numbers from the band? How :many people here would be interested in principle if the economics :matched or were cheaper than normal hotel or travel costs? Most of the random web sites, I've been coming across are "email for more info" (alas.) http://www.atlantic-coast.com/neoplan/ 210 per day, 1 per mile, accomodates 8 people. http://www.star-line.co.uk/ A good phone book (over in the UK) might have better information... I'm coming up a bit sparse on web hunting. Arin (who has been looking on and off for this kind of info for awhile now, as Mike can attest ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Wed Jan 23 15:38:21 2002 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:38:21 -0000 Subject: The Use of Ashes Message-ID: Hey, i have one cd by this band which is called "Firetree" which is on Mellow Records from '96. I was wondering if anything else was available as I do like this dc a lot. Musically it is a bit like crossing the Deux Filles lps (Simon Fisher Turner & Colin Lloyd Tucker) wiht Neu '75 or the 1st La Dusseldorf or even Ralf & Florian era Kraftwerk. Very dreamy, opiated psychy folk rock but very much with a krautrock edge. I can see why they took their band name from Pearls Before Swine's song.... I had seen reviews that put them in the same camp as The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus and there are some similarites, but TUOA have a warmer, driftier sound while Rev Army are more Dead Can Dance/Current 93 in their approach. JStanton -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes >Hey there.. > >Can anyone tell me anything about a Dutch band called The Use of Ashes?? A >guy named Peter van Vliet is the leader/guitarist/vocalist, and appears (or >so it seems) on the IEM - IEM Have Come for your Children CD. TUoA >apparently toured with PTree some time ago, so no doubt that's how he and SW >met. I also saw reference to Van Vliet playing in a Pink Floyd tribute concert. > >I was just wondering what their CDs were like, or even what CDs they have, >and where they might be available. > >Grakkl (FAA) > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 23 21:13:44 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:13:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: Arin... I think Kris (aka XXX) are on the HW: filter, so you must be certain to put that in the subject line for them to see it. I'm doing this seemingly-private message publicly for that very reason....not a mistake. Sorry for the duplication to you other folx. Grakkl (FAA) First, Mike's original statement, then Arin's response... :OK, new topic for the party animals out there... : :Back during the last tour I was chatting to Arin and idly speculating :about a better system for following a tour than booking hotel rooms and :trains planes and automobiles. Not only is it expensive, but it takes up :more time to travel, find a hotel, find the gig and the bar and so on :than it does to spend time enjoying the tour. : :Bands and roadies get around this by hiring a tour bus and driver. So we :thought, what would the economics be of hiring another tour bus :(presumably there are idle tour buses to match idle bands at any given :time?) to accomodate fans travelling around parts of the tour. Clearly :there's a certain cost per day of hire of the vehicle, running costs, :and to pay a driver. However, a number of people would fit in. It'd be :less comfortable than most hotel rooms. On the other hand, it'd be a :case of sleeping through the travel to the next gig and saving on those :travel costs. The community spirit (or beer) would make up somewhat for :the discomfort. It'd essentially be a rolling party. : :So the questions are really of interest and economics. Would enough :people book enough bunks on enough nights to make the costs (including :some empty bunks on some night) work out. Cue Arin: >Needless to say, but I'm all over this idea. Having just done the >whirlwind tour around the UK, I really must say that this is far far >better to do with company. > >Might get more overseas fans to come over with this kind of setup, since >the annoyance value of figuring out all of your own transportation isn't >an issue. > >Of course, we'll all need to be decent friends, given close quarters, but >that might be able to be worked around. > >Kris -- if you are reading this thread, did you arrange the tour bus >stuff? Can we hit you up for info? > >:Sp does anyone have any idea of costs per day to run a bus? How many >:people could be accomodated? Can anyone get numbers from the band? How >:many people here would be interested in principle if the economics >:matched or were cheaper than normal hotel or travel costs? > >Most of the random web sites, I've been coming across are "email for more >info" (alas.) > >http://www.atlantic-coast.com/neoplan/ >210 per day, 1 per mile, accomodates 8 people. > >http://www.star-line.co.uk/ > >A good phone book (over in the UK) might have better information... >I'm coming up a bit sparse on web hunting. > >Arin >(who has been looking on and off for this kind of info for awhile now, as >Mike can attest ;-) ) >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Wed Jan 23 22:11:43 2002 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:11:43 -0500 Subject: SLOTERDIJK: Update 1/23/02 Message-ID: Hello friends, It has been quite awhile since I wrote an update on my activities and SLOTERDIJK. Here is a quick summation to inform all that I am alive, well, happy and still creating music. 1) I became engaged on New Years eve to the one woman whom I have loved for 13 years. Maria is not only my inspiration, but will now be assisting me with creative projects, most immediately, the artwork for the forthcoming CD project; due out in Spring or Summer. She is a beautiful & brilliant Doctor of Psychology. As time goes by, I am sure any supporters of Sloterdijk will come to recognize and admire her work. I am happier than at any time, and I hope this bliss will be evident in the new body of work. 2) The New CD: So far, there are four new cuts, 3 out of the four are quite heavy and guitar oriented. Those of you that prefer the harder side of Sloterdijk will hopefully enjoy these tunes. Another is acoustic, multi layered, and features organ and sitar effects. 3) 'Hawkzine', published in Eppstein Germany, number 61, featured a review of last year's "Uranium Zone" CD. Thank You Dietrich and Wilma for the kind words. I consider your characterization of me as an "absolute perfectionist" a real compliment. 4) New Equipment: Dan Electro 'Sitar Swami' & 'Grilled Cheese' (thank you Maria!) Casio CTK 451 Behringer Eurorack MX 602A submixer I have also dug out my 'Crybaby', and am beginning to utilize wah and slide into new compositions. Many of you have seen or heard me using a stainless steel butterknife in the past. I am now using a proper glass slide. Question for the Audience: Sloterdijk is seeking the following: Does anyone have or know how to obtain video footage of our shows at the following events? Hamburg Hawkfest, 2000 The Mandelbrot Sets: Hartford Ct. summer 2000 Thanks to all for your support over the last 3.5 years. Sloterdijk is alive and well!!!!! Peace to all.....Mike Burro www.mp3.com/sloterdijk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jan 24 00:04:42 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:04:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Flicknife Elric and other scarce Hawkdiscs stolen! Message-ID: Heee-ya, I'm back! Christian in Norway here, returning to the BOC-L list after a few months absence... I just had to post this personal Hawkwind related tragedy and following request: I had a bag full of CD's stolen in Paris over the holidays on my way to the States, making me a very miserable person indeed. Aside from a bunch of rare punk, psych and metal stuff, the bag contained my four fave Hawkwind CD's of all time, namely: *The Flicknife "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" CD (which I'd had since 1988, being my first Hawkwind CD purchased at the tender age of 16 and cherished ever since... you don't know how fucking bitter I am, people!), *The "Friday Rock Show Sessions: Reading '86" CD on Raw Fruit, *The recent double "Choose Your Masques Collector's Edition: Live '82" on Voiceprint, *and the passport holders' mail order only "Live 1997" disc. Sucks, huh? I had about 25 other of my fave CD's in there too, not to mention some private photos. Stuff like the first Suicide (remastered edition), the latest TSOL, the Pink Fairies "Live And Unreleased", a couple of Voivod discs ("War And Pain" and "Voiod Lives") and some Black Sabbath remasters, the first Mooseheart Faith CD reissue on Stellar, the Ice Ritual CD and Alan Davey's "Chaos Delight", the rare Sun Dial "Overspill" EP on UFO, which I'd had since it came out in 1991, the rather brilliant Chameleons "Tripping Dogs" disc on Glass Pyramid, Fu Manchu's "Eatin' Dust", a Mot?rhead compilation and Tiamat's "Astral Sleep", some Chrome and Helios Creed discs, and the Turbonegro "Alpha Motherfuckers" tribute (double CD edition, even!), to name a few. The tragedy happened while I was passed out sleeping at the terminal floor in the morning after my flight, having drunk three quarts of a bottle of Jaegermeister and some beers waiting for the next connecting flight to NY. I don't know what the French think they can get away with... Pissed me off! So: can anyone on this list give me a clue as to where I may find the Flicknife "Chronicle" CD? I'm willing to fork up some bucks, people. As for the other CD's, they weren't on Ebay the last time I looked, and I would prefer to deal with someone on this list if anyone is willing to work out some kind of deal or trade with me acquiring them as I no longer have a credit card. Reply to me at superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk - and thanks a bunch... Chr. PS: The "Hawkwind Electric Library" is temporarily down and will be resurrected elsewhere in the near future. I will post the new URL here for those of you who have links on their Hawkwind websites to mine. ObCD: Entombed - Morning Star (Sweden's very own high priests of true Satanic thrashmetal and garage doom, this CD comes highly recommended to all fans of quality metal. This disc was the only one of my CD's which survived my holiday trip, as it was in my other bag with my discman...) --- "A 'Bowie-Shag' is when you miss your vein." - Dr. Crabstix" You can take the Beatle out of Uncle Charlie, but you can't take Uncle Charlie out of The Beatles." - Bastard Ceremonial Proverb Of The Undead Blasphemers Of Sodom "There remains nothing but juggernauting the Apocalypse ?bersoul through the dying bodies." - Tubrok The Alterer "Mister motherfucker, we know you poke your daughter in the ass..." - if only I could remember your name, right? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Jan 24 01:23:12 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:23:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: According to the Captain, the tour bus they used on the Autumn 2001 tour was costing 400 quid a day ($600) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Cue Arin: > >>:Sp does anyone have any idea of costs per day to run a bus? How many >>:people could be accomodated? Can anyone get numbers from the band? How >>:many people here would be interested in principle if the economics >>:matched or were cheaper than normal hotel or travel costs? >> From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Jan 24 05:31:41 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:31:41 -0500 Subject: Hw Supporters Bus Message-ID: Don't have time myself, but the Internet bible for these sorts of thing is; Tour Pro - http://www.tourpro.com The direct link for companies catering to the music business is http://www.tourpro.com/serviceresults.asp?ServiceTypeId=52 And you can put me down for one uncomfortable bunk too short for a six footer, and too narrow for a six footer. Happy to help with specifics nearer the time. Stuart From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 24 07:26:26 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:26:26 GMT Subject: OFF:Re: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? In-Reply-To: Neil Ward's message of Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Ward writes: > You would also have to be sure that any prices for hire included such things > as fuel, and whether there would be charges for parking, etc. Some venues > have very little parking space available, and most motorway services/car > parks charge for coach parking. > > It would be OK for a couple of nights, but more than a week and you would > have to be very sure that all the members can get on together Few people really go more than a week. I'm sure things are as basic as, say, a barge trip. OTOH the main purpose of the bus would be travelling overnight and an after gig party prior to forty winks. Food is available in cafes and bars when you get there. I'm as fussy as any about showering every day, and even when cycling and camping I manage that (usually at swimming baths). The discomforts would be offset by not having to get trains or buses, or drive across the country every day. > and would pay > there share of the expenses. The only way to do it would be to work out total costs with a built ion reserve for vacancy and charge a fixed rate per person per night, take a deposit and nobody is confirmed until they've paid the lot. I do that just for running a minibus to a gig and I certainly wouldn't do less on a deal which would be measured in thousands. > Not a thing to organise lightly. No, but it looks feasible. > The drivers aren't always in agreement with the attitudes of the passengers. > (Who mentioned Trev Hughes?) :-) Organiser arbitrates and rules. FoFP From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jan 24 09:13:30 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > >K Henderson wrote: > >> Hey there.. > >> > >> Can anyone tell me anything about a Dutch band called The Use of Ashes?? > > Never heard of them, but I can tell you where the name probably comes > from: a This Mortal Coil song, Use of Ashes might be the name of it, but > even if not it has those words as a recurring lyrical motif. Brendan Perry > from Dead Can Dance (great band) was the vocalist, although it wasn't a > particular favourite track of mine. The title is "The Jeweler" and was originally done by Tom Rapp, although I don't know if it was on one of his solo albums or done by his Pearls Before Swine project. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jan 24 10:02:01 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:02:01 +0200 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: >Just been digitising some footage of Bowie from the 70s for a customer of >my (http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/dvd) business, and who should pop up >playing violin in the concert but Mr. Simon House, looking very cool for >the times 8-)) > >I knew he played with Bowie, but hadn't expected to come across live >footage! I saw once in VH-1 channel Bowie?s concert where was House. It was some sort studio session in Germany I bealive. I almost get it all in video. Sorry, I don?t have second player, so I cant make copys. :-( Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.saunalahti.fi/micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 24 10:14:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:14:15 GMT Subject: For sale or trade Message-ID: I have a copy of the Pentrich 2000 Bikefest video. This is now for sale or trade because I thought it had Hawkwind content but it doesn't. It does feature: Motorhead + interview with Lemmy The Levellers Impotent Sea Snakes Doctor Feelgood Limehouse Lizzy Rainbow Rising Climax Blues Band Paid 10 Pounds and will sell for this or trade for equivalent in CDR's. Also one copy of Monsters of Rock programme for unknown year featuring: Judas Priest Cozy Powell Rain From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 24 10:56:56 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:56:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Use of Ashes Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:30 -0500, John McIntyre wrote: >> Never heard of them, but I can tell you where the name probably comes >> from: a This Mortal Coil song, Use of Ashes might be the name of it, but >> even if not it has those words as a recurring lyrical motif. > >The title is "The Jeweler" Yeah, that rings the bell. Lines about dusting clockfaces with ashes etc. and was originally done by Tom Rapp, although I >don't know if it was on one of his solo albums or done by his Pearls Before >Swine project. OK so the one I heard must've been a cover. There were some interesting cover versions on some of those 4AD/This Mortal Coil albums, a particular one that stood out was a cover of Roy Harper's "Another Day". OK, I confess- the real point of this message is to continue linking Roy Harper to absolutely everyone and everything. :-) From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Thu Jan 24 14:12:01 2002 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Farflung reaches of the galaxy In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20020123234600.006ce6f8@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: are these all new songs... or reworked older songs? still anything by Farflung would be great to hear!!! --- Stephan Forstner wrote: > Just got word from John Perez (Liquid > Sound/Brainticket.com) that the > Farflung he will be releasing in June is 'The Myth > of Solid Ground' and in > his words "they've added a few tracks and some parts > to the songs". > > Stephan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 24 15:49:28 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (deltawave@metronet.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:49:28 -0600 Subject: (OFFFFFFF) BOC-L Digest - DIE HARD In-Reply-To: <3C4023EC.21CC7C9D@execpc.com> Message-ID: >Sheesh. (KK) > >Mike B and Mike C, it's time for you guys to chill again and not fill up >the list with nonsense. so there I was, just rubbing my arms and trying to bring my heart rate back to normal with the power of the mind and no Valium at all..... when the Demonophone rang with news of the world wafting up to my nostrils with this putresence....(err, my ears, anyway) c'mon Karen...(LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS) mc PS- send BOT FLY pics and I'll forgive!!! From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 24 16:37:16 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:37:16 -0600 Subject: Damned By The Curse of Japan (1975 Live LP warped and melted) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: dear fellow Kollektors (or however you spell that) I always pray to (the force of human creation) to please, please, deal me "liveable blows" for my earthly foul disgusting vomitous human-ness,,,,(and all that can mean) I am actually QUITE PLEASED to be happily able to report to those fellow LP collecters on this list that had heard me tell of finding a copy of "Hawkwind Live In London 1975" ,,,, that it came - and it was - (are you ready?) nothing more than a copy of UNDISCLOSED FILES that the store in Japan had stuck a label on saying it is 1975..... someone had told me to lower my dosage on this list prior to it's arrival and I did the exact opposite of course and good thing I did- I just laughed I will, of course, put a needle on it (to check it), before I throw it in with my other 20-odd leftover copies..... I imagine a few of you will enjoy this post ENJOY!!! have a beer!!! mike c From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 24 15:15:47 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:15:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung reaches of the galaxy Message-ID: On "Myth of Solid Ground"... >are these all new songs... or reworked older songs? Well, they're 'old' songs, since they were recorded several years ago. But the album has still never been released officially, so it's all new material to someone who didn't get one of the original 30 CDR's that Tommy was offering at SD'99 (I think it was). But then, I think a couple of those songs were done live and are on the Strange-trips.com live Farflung disc. The real new material will be on 'When Science Fails,' whenever that will actually appear. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. For trivia buffs only...the almost-certain origin of the title... http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/20/news-ulin.shtml From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 24 16:04:46 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:04:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? Message-ID: Would there be an option available to travel on the supporters bus but sleep elsewhere? jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Tour supporters bus? > Arin > (who has been looking on and off for this kind of info for awhile now, as > Mike can attest ;-) ) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 24 17:47:50 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:47:50 -0600 Subject: (Off) keith kirk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: life isn't as good without posts from this missing BOC person... m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 24 18:23:10 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:23:10 -0600 Subject: (*OFF*) Hello Karen In-Reply-To: <00f001c19b6a$48235bc0$8e5d2dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: >I offer to burn both of them. seeking a short-cut boarding pass for the last train out of "Newbyville" I see..... m ps- he *is* dangerous From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Jan 25 16:54:36 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:54:36 -0000 Subject: OFF / BOC: Don't know if anyone's interested... Message-ID: ...but Channel 5 (UK) are showing Police Academy. Now. And you might have just missed the Blue Oyster Bar scene... :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Jan 25 18:02:53 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:02:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Kingsmen Message-ID: Just to warn y'all, but if you're looking for Kingsmen stuff with a search on the various peer-to-peer services (Limewire, Morpheus etc), don't be surprised if you find more than you're looking for. You'll get a shedload of gospel music by a different Kingsmen. (It's not bad, but it's hardly 1967 Garage Rock...) :-) Cheers, Rich. (Twenty tracks downloaded... Arse.) From jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE Fri Jan 25 18:57:08 2002 From: jeancollin at TISCALINET.BE (Jean Collin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:57:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: ship of Fools In-Reply-To: <000e01c193cc$c168b200$83e5fc3e@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: No-one seems to own the "Visions" 5-track tape released by dreamtime (BAR 9) in 1992 with 3 live tracks (Magic carpet, In the wake of..., Close your eyes) and two stdio ones (Psychedelic and L=SD2). The first album on vinyl must be really hard to find, too, i expect. jean At 20:33 2/01/02 +0000, you wrote: > > And this is the only know live concert that exists: > > > > MARKER TAVERN, KIDDERINSTER 7/12/93 40M EX- 2 > > > > I quite liked the Nine Invisibles first CD. I have not heard Soundbombing > > yet. > > > >Very nearly went to see them in Sheffield c1994 but felt obligated to go and >see a friend's band who were playing that night. > >Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 25 20:53:06 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:53:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Düül II Message-ID: Hi Folks... Because I've been thinking about ADII so much lately, and going back over their entire catalog piece by piece, which is causing me to seriously "Jones-out" (if that's even a word) over the potential for seeing them sometime soon, I thought I'd ask this question to whomever has the Repertoire CD reissue of Phallus Dei. The bonus tracks are... "Freak Out Requiem I" "Freak Out Requiem II" "Freak Out Requiem III" "Cymbals In The End" So how are these things? I gather the first three are rather non-structured? Is this all with Dave Anderson - I'm presuming? Might some of this material be the source of certain snippets of music that I heard (but didn't recognize) on those Japanese retro-pastische things that I have (Kobe and Eternal Flashback)??? Or is this all-different stuff from anything I've heard elsewhere? Now, I did also give another listen to both live albums from the '73 period (was it?)...Live in London and BBC Live. No doubt Live in London is the better album. From my distant memories of first hearing the vinyl, it had always stuck in my head that the two-drummer thing wasn't working well here, as they weren't all that closely together. But then in those days (c. 1984), I wasn't that used to hearing music that wasn't so completely refined and molded to perfection (in a manner of speaking) in a studio environment. So today it seems as the little bit of roughness in the performance is nothing unusual (it's a hell of a lot better than the 1996? Live in Tokyo show), and Leopold and Fichelscher seem to be pretty much in synch most of the time. [And anyway, ADII was always more ambitious in writing tunes than was their ability (or anybody else's I imagine) to actually play them perfectly in one take.] Nice selection of tunes also. The mix overall though seems a bit murky, but then what do you expect? On the BBC album, the best thing is that the tracks are all completely different, and not songs you'd expect to hear live commonly (it's kinda like 1999 Party live in that respect). Now there it does seem like the band get into a 'clusterf*ck' or two, as in the ending of "Manana". But then perhaps they were still learning to play those Vive la Trance songs live? Not even sure if that album had been released at the time of the recording. Anyway, the one thing I was struck by when listening to this one was how stupendously brilliant the Dem Guten, Schonen, Wahren track sounded live here! This one alone is worth the price of admission. "GBR Man" being perhaps my favorite ADII song is of course also a high moment. The bonus tracks don't really add much, but nothing wrong with putting them there either. It would be short without them. And I played my Made in Germany copy again last night...why is this album so disrespected?! I'm not sure that many people have ever heard it in the 70 minute format that it was intended to be...that single-LP crap that the US label pulled was criminal! Side One (Tracks 1-6 in the 20-track version I'm presuming) is I think the best side of the 2LPs, and only Metropolis made it into the US version. OK, Side Three is pretty weak (Wide Angle, Three-eyed Overdrive, Emigrant Song, Loosey Girls, Top of the Mud) but then even here there are some instances of great guitar work. (The US omission of Wide Angle was the only good decision made about 'editing' the album...if they wanted to record a song that sounded like Abba, they succeeded!) In fact, MiG I think is Amon Duul II's best 'rock guitar' album. Now, Alan Davey felt he just had to learn to play bass when hearing 'Time We Left'...for me, if I was ever to be inspired to pick up a guitar and try to learn to play it (hopeless!), it would be almost entirely to try to reproduce Karrer's sound on La Kraut(Pal)oma - that's just goosebump material. And Heibl too...I would take Meid's contribution to ADII over his any day, but on this album, I dunno, I think his peculiar bass sound/style on this album just works wonders! The linking run at the end of the bridge in Metropolis to join back up to the main 'riff' is just too cool for words. Oh, and 5.5.55* is another guitar masterpiece...don't know who plays that stream-of-consciousness soloing there (I always imagined it was Weinzierl (he co-wrote it with Tischer), but I never know who's who!) but it too is stunning work and again comes in for a landing just as the chorus is set to go...I love that stuff. [*For years I wondered what this title meant...now I know it is the 10th anniversary of V.E. day and not coincidentally the day when West Germany was considered autonomous again, as opposed to occupied. Makes perfect sense, and if I'd seen it as 5/5/55 I would have figured that out a lot sooner.] So...I think people just have the opinion that MiG was a overly pretentious mess (a valid personal criticism)...but if anyone thinks it lacks the original stylish madness of earlier works, or is somehow too poppy, they just ain't listening! Save the Abba track, the vocal tracks on there are hardly standard compositions! And there's heaps of crazy electronics and synthesizers all over the place. It's a damn *weird* album, and nothing like what was shortly to come with Zauner's influence. So I hope people don't pass on it simply because this is what they've been told. Well, that's enough ridiculous campaigning for just one album from me...I suppose part of my love for this work is that this was the first ADII album that really got me going on them (even though it was the second one I got, following Phallus Dei oddly enough - it being the first of the classic period and MiG being the last)...and that was the crappy version! Anyway, before I wasn't really putting down Yeti that much (it is a great album after all), I'm just wondering why everybody focusses on just two or three albums of theirs and totally ignore all the others. Carnival in Babylon ain't too shabby either. It's HiJack that really suffered...and even there, there are some nice moments. My rankings would go... 0. Lemmingmania (the four single tracks are great, but this is a comp. and doesn't fully count - but taken at face value, it wins) 1. Wolf City (no second guessing here) 2. Made in Germany (70min rock opera version) 3. Dance of the Lemmings 3. Yeti (tie) (Disc one of DotL paired with Disc one of Yeti would move to No. 1) 4. Carnival in Babylon Made in Germany (single LP) would go here Live in London would go about here 5. Utopia (virtually ADII) 6. Phallus Dei BBC Live would go about here 7. Vive la Trance 8. Pyragony X 9. Vortex 9. HiJack (tie) Nada Moonshine # belongs here to, but won't officially include it 11. Only Human 12. Almost Alive Julie Waring material here (is she Dave Anderson's wife? I saw the name Julie Anderson in some Japanese liner notes, so I figured....), although "One moments anger..." and "Olaf, Where's My $20,000?" are both long jams that belong up around No. 6 or 7 (since Waring doesn't really sing here!). Dead last. Fool Moon (rubbish) Die Losung I didn't even consider, with Calvert and all, but I guess I'd put it in with the other '9's.' I like it ok. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Kraan - Andy Nogger (EMI reissue) Just in the mail today! Great! P.S. I got it from Ken Golden (www.lasercd.com) - $12, who has a clearance sale on now of some pretty darn good stuff, like a bunch of Man live CDs for $5 apiece (everyone who doesn't have the "1999 Party" Man CD should get one now so you can play the two back-to-back and timewarp back to 1974 Chicago), and Calvert's Hype (ugly blue cover) for $6, Tubilah Dog for $5 (I think), and a whole slew of other things. And of course, he still has some of the jewel box EMI Remasters of the Universe for damn cheap. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 25 22:18:40 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:18:40 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OFF:=20More=20on=20Amon=20D=FC=FCl=20II?= Message-ID: In a message dated 26/01/02 12:44:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Hi Folks... > > snip > Because I've been thinking about ADII so much lately, and going back > over > their entire catalog piece by piece, which is causing < snip Daym - now that's an E-MAIL!!!! A+Distinction From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 25 22:08:33 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:08:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Baker appearances Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've been asked what live tracks Ginger Baker appears on in the Hawkwind catalog, and I guess I would include any of those that are on bootlegs (at least those that are more commonly seen). I'm not sure how to look up this sort of information...Andrew Dawson's nice discography doesn't include this type info, and neither does the Codex. Unless I'm not looking in the right spot. Is there a text database with this sort of info included online anywhere? For now, I guess I'll just have to rely on you experts! :) Thanks in advance...Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jan 26 03:02:11 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:02:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Even more on Amon Düül II Message-ID: Hi One More Time... Um...Amon Duul II has just been added to the Burg Herzberg 2002 lineup, which ups this one from a 'maybe' to a 'must go.' They're already bestatigt too! Darn, I was hoping that they'd sign up to play at Kloster Cornberg (with HW, PTree, Groundhogs, Pretty Things, Sunya Beat, etc...) and so I'd only have to go to one of the two. Especially since I think I won't defend until July 8, and so I'll have hardly any time to pack and fly over to Zurich, get moved in, and then head back out to Frankfurt and points east. Oh, well, I'll have to make it work somehow. Grakkl (FAA) From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jan 26 06:07:53 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:07:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Baker appearances In-Reply-To: <200201260327.WAA04863@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi At 22:08 25.01.2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Folks... > >I've been asked what live tracks Ginger Baker appears on in the Hawkwind >catalog, and I guess I would include any of those that are on bootlegs (at >least those that are more commonly seen). > >I'm not sure how to look up this sort of information...Andrew Dawson's nice >discography doesn't include this type info, and neither does the Codex. >Unless I'm not looking in the right spot. You can find GB on most of the tracks from the THIS IS HAWKWIND DO NOT PANIC record The most thracks were recorded in London, Lewishem Odeon, 18.12.1980 Bernhard From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 26 06:41:18 2002 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:41:18 -0000 Subject: HW:Fw: Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: Someone sent me this, I thought it might interest some of you. Kris :-) (Also I will get the exact costings for a crew bus and send it to Arin soon as poss) ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Kris, > > Have a look at this page - loads of people asking for Hawkwind this year! > > <> > > http://www.efestivals.co.uk/bbs/bbs.pl?board=21 > > > > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 26 07:30:48 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:30:48 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: > Someone sent me this, I thought it might interest some of you. > > Kris :-) > > (Also I will get the exact costings for a crew bus and send it to Arin soon > as poss) > This'd pretty damn cool! Maybe a Hawkestra type line-up? Perhaps even the Lemster could be tempted over the pond for something of this scale? Nick From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 26 08:45:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:45:56 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: I'm having trouble logging on to Mission Control at the moment and I really want to finish this section of the Electric Tepee tonight - Family Tree (Band members thru the eras) I'm up to the Hawkestra - Just want to make sure I have not left anyone out Heres my list so far: Dave Brock - Harvey Bainbridge - Huw Lloyd Langton - Alan Davey - Keith Kniveton - Dik Mik - Nik Turner - Richard Chadwick - Jerry Richards - Ron Tree - Martin Griffin - Simon House - Thomas Crimble - Steve Swindels...... Give me a thump - cause I know I've missed one or more - do'oh From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 26 09:26:12 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:12 GMT Subject: HW: Baker appearances In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > I've been asked what live tracks Ginger Baker appears on in the Hawkwind > catalog, and I guess I would include any of those that are on bootlegs (at > least those that are more commonly seen). >From my files, the only candidates from the official canon are: Zones (Flicknife 1983) ----- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE The Island 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Motorway City 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) ---------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Psy Power 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Levitation 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Circles 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Space Chase 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Death Trap 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Angels Of Death 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon Shot Down In The Night 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > I'm not sure how to look up this sort of information...Andrew Dawson's nice > discography doesn't include this type info, and neither does the Codex. > Unless I'm not looking in the right spot. No. I have a separate file which lists known or suspected dates for live Hawkwind tracks from albums and official/bootleg vinyl. > Is there a text database with this sort of info included online anywhere? Bernhard has a list of the lineups at known gigs which can be used to establish on which gigs Baker played.That in alliance with my file got me the above info. Bernhard will also be able to tell you which live tapes are available of Baker concerts, and their quality. Cheers FoFP From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Jan 26 09:54:56 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:54:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: Hi Michael >I'm up to the Hawkestra - Just want to make sure I have not left anyone out >Dave Brock - Harvey Bainbridge - Huw Lloyd Langton - Alan Davey - Keith >Kniveton - Dik Mik - Nik Turner - Richard Chadwick - Jerry Richards - Ron >Tree - Martin Griffin - Simon House - Thomas Crimble - Steve >Swindels...... >Give me a thump - cause I know I've missed one or more - do'oh To which you can add... Tim Blake...Danny Thompson...Del Dettmar...Terry Ollis...Alan Powell...Sam Fox....and some chap called Lemmy... ;@) Dave From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 26 10:38:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:38:47 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: In a message dated 27/01/02 1:28:00 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK writes: > To which you can add... > > Tim Blake...Danny Thompson...Del Dettmar...Terry Ollis...Alan Powell...Sam > Fox....and some chap called Lemmy... ;@) > > Dave > Thank you - I can't believe I left out Lemmy - I can't believe I left any out - ohhhh dear!! ;-) Thanks again!!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 26 11:28:43 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:28:43 EST Subject: Hawkwind - the electric tepee Message-ID: Just to let ya'll know - that the Electric Tepee has moved and has been and is being updated as you read this email. http://www.aliendream.net/electric_tepee/enter.htm Its beginning to look quite sexxy in my opinion - in an artisistic kinda way - Elric From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sat Jan 26 13:13:55 2002 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:13:55 EST Subject: HW:hawkind festival application Message-ID: Hi Kris My E mail failed me a couple of days ago and ate my incoming mails....I notice you sent me a reply to my festival update application form, unfortunately due to the aforementioned disaster i was unable to read it !!! Could you send a copy ? Also ...Did the band record the Yule gig at the forum for future release ? if so is there a chance of it becoming available soon ? It was the best I've seen Hawkwind perform in at least 15 years, probably more.... thats just a personal taste thing I suppose , but , musically the band were excellent and it would be a shame not to have that on CD... Loooking forward to the festival!!! All the best Alistair From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jan 26 23:24:07 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:24:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Black Acid Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just a quick note to let those who didn't already know that Portland's experimental/psych orchestra King Black Acid (Cavity Search Records) is responsible for the majority of the soundtrack to the big Hollywood movie (with Richard Gere) entitled "The Mothman Prophecies" (which is almost certainly a big pile of cinematic rubbish, but hey...). Anyway, it might be one of the few movie soundtrack CDs in the world to look out for. Here's a writeup about it. Duluth's Low also appear. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=15216 Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I don't know whether you'll be able to buy just the one CD w/ KBA or if the 2CD package (w/ score) is the only way to get it. Anyone? From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jan 27 08:43:38 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:43:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Black Acid Message-ID: >P.S. I don't know whether you'll be able to buy just the one CD w/ KBA or if >the 2CD package (w/ score) is the only way to get it. Anyone? It comes as a 2-CD set. Disc 1 has the 7 KBA songs, 2 by Low, and 1 by Glen Branca. Disc 2 is the soundtrack score by Tomandandy (whoever the hell that is). It's a regular film soundtrack release that I'd guess you could pick up in most commercial record stores. Jerry From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jan 27 08:46:27 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:46:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Black Acid Message-ID: Sorry to bung up the list with an excessive message, but in reponse to Keith's "specific" question as to whether you can get just the KBA tracks, I should mention my copy came directly from KBA, so I'd guess at this time you can only get the 2-CD set. Jerry From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jan 27 17:14:55 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:14:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Baker appearances Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>From my files, the only candidates from the official canon are: Aren't "Dangerous Vision" (from 'Zones'), and "Master of the Universe" & "World of Tiers" (from 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze'/whatever) also from this gig (London Lewisham Odeon 18.12.80)? It would be plausible, since the complete tracklist from the show is: 18.12.1980, LONDON, LEWISHAM ODEON, 100/8 intro* / levitation / motorway city / death trap / angels of death / shot down in the night / psychosis* / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental* / urban guerilla* / uncle sam's on mars* / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude* / who's gonna win the war* / psi power / brainstorm* / silver machine* / master of the universe Which would mean that the entire concert has been released except for the asterisked tracks ("intro", "Psychosis", "instrumental", "Urban Guerilla", "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The War", "Brainstorm" & "Silver Machine"). I believe the only Hawkwind song Ginger Baker ever played live that was NOT performed at this gig was "Lighthouse", which was obviously dropped from the set after Tim Blake left the band (and note that the Lewisham Odeon show is the first and only time Ginger Baker played "Angles of Death" with Hawkwind). >Zones (Flicknife 1983) >----- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >The Island 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon (aka "Dust of Time" instrumental section) >Motorway City 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > >Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) >---------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Psy Power 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Levitation 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Circles 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Space Chase 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Death Trap 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Angels Of Death 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Shot Down In The Night 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >> Is there a text database with this sort of info included online anywhere? > >Bernhard has a list of the lineups at known gigs which can be used to >establish on which gigs Baker played.That in alliance with my file got >me the above info. Bernhard will also be able to tell you which live >tapes are available of Baker concerts, and their quality. If you're registered to use Yahoo! lists, you can find the files here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neo-quark/files/Important%20files/ (these versions appear to be about six months old, so Bernhard may have more recent ones with info from the Fall tour). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 01:09:24 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:09:24 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/26/02 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 1/26 1.Quarkspace-- "Pavlovian Causeway" (Drop; Eternity's Jest) 2.Pink Floyd-- "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" (Umma Gumma; EMI/Harvest) 3.Spectrum/Silver Apples-- "Streams of Sorrow" (A Lake of Teardrops; Orbit/Space Age) 4.Flowchart-- "Lovefingers" (Electronic Evocations: A Tribute to the Silver Apples; Enraptured) 5.Liquid Sound Company-- "Golden Gate '67" (Exploring the Psychedelic; Brainticket) 6.Jettison Slinky-- "Eternal Dalmation" (Dank Side of the Morn; Evander) 7.Frank Zappa-- "Transylvania Boogie" (Chunga's Revenge; Rykodisc) 8.Ozric Tentacles-- title-track (Waterfall Cities; Phoenix Rising) 9.Sub Oslo-- "Dubaliscious" (ST'd; Two Ohm Hop) 10.Vocokesh-- tracks 1 & 2 (Smile! And Point at the Mountain?; Drag City) 11.Mirza-- "Charity" (Last Clouds; Ba-da-Bing!) 12.Upsilon Acrux-- tracks 1-4 (Last Train Out; Daft Allaince/Hactivist) 12.Kopecky-- "Autumn Swirl" (Orion; M.A.C.E.) 13.Saddar Bazaar-- "Peacock Angel" (Path of the Rose; Delerium) 14.Pretty Things-- "S.F. Sorrow is Born" (S.F. Sorrow; Snapper) 15.Hawkwind-- "Watching the Grass Grow" (Undsclosed Files-Addendum; Griffin) thanks, Chuck From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 02:03:58 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (Zlak Sak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:03:58 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Hello, This is my virgin post at the BOC-L Archives. I have a couple questions regarding Lemmy. Does anyone know the status of his legal entanglement with the United States over his bogus drug bust nearly THREE decades ago? Exactly, what drug was he arrested for, because it seems to be it was a sleeping aid or something benign. Does Lemmy even care anymore that he can't have a Green Card? It, seems to be that if Lemmy does care, that with the wonders of the internet, it shouldn't be too hard for a bunch of us to send some emails and write the appropriate government offices, once supplied with the legal specifics of this case. With the current President and the former both being one time fans of cocaine, it makes Lemmy's case seem more absurd by the day. It has always seemed to me that Hawkwind, started its slow crash and burn, when Lemmy was forced out. Does anyone, know how this played out? Was it a unanimous vote, or the power play of just a few loud individuals? For decades now this has bothered me, for it seems to be completely at odds, with what Hawkwind once represented. Nik seems like a charming fellow, and willing to work with just about any musician, and has been making new pacts in recent years with Hawkwind alumni. The burning question I have, is why doesn't Nik and company join forces with Lemmy and record some new material, on the side; an album between Motorhead albums/tours. Definitely not as Hawkwind, for that is Brock's mutated child now. It seems that often when Lemmy speaks of Hawkwind there is a note of sadness, but respect for those days. So, unless Lemmy, Nik, and friends, are completely out of synch with each other, what is holding them up from getting together for a couple weeks and letting the magic fly high again, with whoever wants to be involved. Just, drop all the power struggles of Hawkwind command, and let old friends, who just happen to be musicians make music. Brock, need not apply if he doesn't get it anymore. You know the days, when the music was a journey of brotherhood and transcendence, and concerts for free weren't marketed, as a new Hawkwind album. Thanks one and all - Zlak From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 02:16:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:16:23 EST Subject: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: In a message dated 28/01/02 5:44:19 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM writes: > I have a couple questions regarding Lemmy. Does anyone know the status > of his legal entanglement with the United States over his bogus drug bust > nearly THREE decades ago? Exactly, what drug was he arrested for, because > it seems to be it was a sleeping aid or something benign. Does Lemmy even I have heard, from previous posts here, that it was speed - which was not illegal at the time. They (law) thought it was coke or heroin at the time. thats all I "know" about that - sorry Michael B From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Mon Jan 28 02:21:27 2002 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:21:27 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zlak Sak" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Er, I think Lemmy lives in the US, or at least he was. Tours here regularly too. Has no problem getting in, leastwise. Nik was one of the main people asking for Lemmy to be fired in 75, so I don't think they will be joining up soon. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jan 28 02:45:26 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:45:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Zlak spake... > I have a couple questions regarding Lemmy. Does anyone know the status >of his legal entanglement with the United States over his bogus drug bust >nearly THREE decades ago? Was it the US that 'busted' him? I was always thinking it was the Canadians, but perhaps hearing 'detained at the Canadian border' in typical Amerocentric fashion (but then they have only one border so it's perfectly understandable eh?) :) has made me think it was the Mounties who snagged him...not sure which way they were going at that time. >Exactly, what drug was he arrested for, because >it seems to be it was a sleeping aid or something benign. Amphetamines, as was already mentioned....not exactly a sleeping aid. And of course, Lemmy means 'speed-freak' I believe. >Does Lemmy even care anymore that he can't have a Green Card? As Dan said, seems to me he's lived in LA for a good decade. However, what you say isn't so out-of-the-realm-of-possibility given that Simon House was detained in LA for 24 hours in 2000 on their way down to Australia/NZ, based on a drug arrest in 1974-75 (I imagine). And not sure about Brock himself in 1998 at Niagara, whether that was drugs or some crap about being a general ne'er-do-well to young kids' minds (as if we were all likely to start staging demonstrations against the Vietnam War or something). Tree I assume was drugs...does anybody know if something went down with him in '95 or '97? >Nik seems like a charming fellow, and willing to work with just about >any musician, and has been making new pacts in recent years with Hawkwind >alumni. Some would argue that that's because he can't do anything successfully on his own. But not me! :) >The burning question I have, is why doesn't Nik and company join >forces with Lemmy and record some new material, on the side; an album >between Motorhead albums/tours. Definitely not as Hawkwind I'll say. :) What kind of beast would that be anyway? I'd hardly see the point....though I suppose Nik could play some bigband-type sax when Lemmy does his stuff with the dude from Stray Cats et al. But what does that have to do with Hawkwind, past present or future? Nothing. I wouldn't buy it. And of course, Nik lives in Wales (I think), and Lemmy in LA. >Just, drop all the power struggles of Hawkwind command, and let old >friends, who just happen to be musicians make music. It seems a foregone conclusion that this ain't gonna happen. Well, they were all on stage together in October, 2000...but there wasn't any qualification that they needed to like each other. And I didn't care personally, as long as they continued playing. :) Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jan 28 03:39:39 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:39:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Acid Mothers Temple Message-ID: Hey Folks...seen on another list...Grakkl (FAA) Acid Mothers Temple from Japan are coming to the US in March More dates to be added, but here's what is confirmed so far: Saturday March 9-Seattle-Graceland-with Kinski Sunday March 10-Los Angeles-The Derby Monday March 11-Los Angeles-Silverlake Lounge Tuesday March 12-San Diego-Casbah Wednesday March 13-Austin, TX-South By Southwest-in store performance at 33 Degrees Thursday March 14- Austin, TX-South By Southwest Friday March 15- Houston, TX-The Last Concert Cafe-with Tom Carter (of Charalambides) Monday March 18-Atlanta-Eyedrum Thursday March 21-Philadelphia-Khyber Pass Saturday March 23-New York-Knitting Factory http://www.furious.com/perfect/acidmotherstemple.html http://www.acidmothers.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Jan 28 05:18:37 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (fool with heart) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:18:37 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: and according to the article.... Lemmy was clever with his skull and bones decorated amuple (viles), and just tossed it in the OJ, never allowing the ballpoint pen to blueskin...... <<< I have a couple questions regarding Lemmy. Does anyone know the status of his legal entanglement with the United States over his bogus drug bust nearly THREE decades ago?>> *(a portion of something I just read on BOC-L)* From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 04:44:43 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:44:43 EST Subject: Hawkwind helpppppp Message-ID: Some info from the wizards please.... Can someone help me fill in these blanks: Was the 1993 - 94 Hawkwind line up the same as 1992? Brock-Davey-Chadwick 1996 - Same line up as 1995? Brock-Davey-Tree-Chadwick 1998 - Same line up as 97? as in the 97 UK tour Brock-Tree-Chadwick-Richards-Rizz-Dibbs Does anyone have a list of Hawkwind lineup for the years: 1999 2000 - aside from the Hawkstra & Astoria gigs (got that) 2001 - any lineup changes within the aforementioned years? also Does anyone have a comprehensive list of Hawk tour dates and venues begining January 1993 to present? Any & all help is greatly appreciated and will be credited as I need it for the Electric Tepee info files :-) Michaelangelo68 at aol.com Thanks in anticipation Michael B From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM Mon Jan 28 04:53:05 2002 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:53:05 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind helpppppp Message-ID: Hi Michael You can find all the informations you are looking for here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neo-quark/files/Important%20files/HAWKWIND%20g igs.txt I will add the missig dates from the November 2001 tour in the next couple of days cheers Bernhard -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael W Blackman [mailto:Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM] Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2002 10:45 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Betreff: Hawkwind helpppppp Some info from the wizards please.... Can someone help me fill in these blanks: Was the 1993 - 94 Hawkwind line up the same as 1992? Brock-Davey-Chadwick 1996 - Same line up as 1995? Brock-Davey-Tree-Chadwick 1998 - Same line up as 97? as in the 97 UK tour Brock-Tree-Chadwick-Richards-Rizz-Dibbs Does anyone have a list of Hawkwind lineup for the years: 1999 2000 - aside from the Hawkstra & Astoria gigs (got that) 2001 - any lineup changes within the aforementioned years? also Does anyone have a comprehensive list of Hawk tour dates and venues begining January 1993 to present? Any & all help is greatly appreciated and will be credited as I need it for the Electric Tepee info files :-) Michaelangelo68 at aol.com Thanks in anticipation Michael B Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 04:55:31 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (Zlak Sak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:55:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Zlak spake... > Was it the US that 'busted' him? I was always thinking it was the Canadians, >From what I recall, it appears that during the SPACE RITUALS tour, as Hawkwind was leaving British Columbia, that Lemmy was detained by the United States authorities. Lemmy means speed freak. Interesting I just thought it was a name. I know Motorhead is slang for speed freak as is a Lost Johnny, and now Lemmy you say. Hmmm... it would appear, a large part of Lemmy's youthful fire is inspired by this type of high. Lemmy, as of six months ago, was/is only allowed to be in the United States for six months each year. He splits his time between the States and England. He is still denied a Green Card, and can't become an American citizen if he would feel so inclined. Yet, if the facts in my mind are right, he pays a large tax to the United States government each time he tours. With regards to the Hawkwind, all star show in Oct. 2000, there is an insightful article at Aural-Innovations, with Lemmy. In short with regards, to the Oct. 2000 show, Lemmy vows never to perform with Brock again, unless he changes, his control freak ways. Thoughts I've heard uttered by Moorcock. But what does that have to do with Hawkwind, past present or future? Nothing. I wouldn't buy it. And of course, Nik lives in Wales (I think), and Lemmy in LA. I don't know what this has to do with Hawkwind, besides having former Hawkwind members who like each other, like: Turner, House, Dik Mik, Lemmy, and Moorcock (don't forget he took bass duties over for Calvert when he was committed for a time and wrote most of the music for WARRIORS ON THE EDGE OF TIME, which Brock conveniently forgot) and unleash some new classics, without the albatross of Hawkwind to poison things. Brock's hissy fit, for Nik's use of the word Hawkwind, on Nik Turner's Hawkwind, 1993 Space Ritual tour, is just so pathetic. Hawkwind was named after Nik's big noise, and farts after all. Basically, it appears now and then that certain former Hawkwind members like Lemmy express something that might be seen as an urge to travel the stars, but Brock gets in the way. If, this might be true, then maybe the reason it doesn't happen, is a failure to think outside of the box. A reunion of types, doesn't have to be done within the framework of the Hawkwind legacy. I am just curious as to why it doesn't happen, or maybe I already answered this question a few lines earlier? Or perhaps, no one really desires to, or the desire is more one of wishful thinking. I love to ask Nik, and see what he has to say. It seems from this fan, certain reunions of old friends, be it the Black Sabbath album in process, Iggy Pop's notion on a new Stogies project, Plants and Pages recent projects, are in some ways the product of mature inviduals, attempting to reexamine the fruits of the past, and to taste them a fresh, before its too late. Would it seem so odd, for some of Hawkwind's older ex-members, to want to experience something they enjoyed when they were younger again. Much like Roger's wish to record a new Who album. And, what does it matter where anyone lives, its not like they have to join a commune, to write a few new songs together. It seems a foregone conclusion that this ain't gonna happen. Well, they were all on stage together in October, 2000...but there wasn't any qualification that they needed to like each other. And I didn't care personally, as long as they continued playing. :) Nik at this time was attempting to hold together, some of the band, but it frayed for reasons unknown to me. Blessings - Zlak From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 05:13:23 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (Zlak Sak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:13:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Forgot to mention this. Lemmy wrote in length, around the earlier nineties, in some American magazine, about the specifics of his drug arrest. Amphetamines...that might make sense, accept, it doesn't gel with what my mind vaguely remembers. Whatever he was arrested for (and long hairs must be druggies after all), was more in line, that he had a medication/sleeping aid/dietary drug that had elements in it that weren't legal in the United States, but where elsewhere. More bad luck, then anything, but perhaps, he was using the drug or whatever it was as a "Drug Story Cowboy." I don't really know. Nik and Lemmy have played, or attempted to play at each others shows, so whatever hard feelings, might or might not exist between them from the past seem forgiven. Unless, Lemmy or Nik, claims that Nik was largely responsible for Lemmy's ousting I wouldn't put too much weight in it, although it is entirely possible. Thanks - From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 28 05:14:22 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:14:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: > > Lemmy means speed freak. Interesting I just thought it was a name. I know > Motorhead is slang for speed freak as is a Lost Johnny, and now Lemmy you > say. Hmmm... it would appear, a large part of Lemmy's youthful fire is > inspired by this type of high. > Tish - and there's me believing the oft repeated story that Lemmy came from Mr Kilmister's oft repeated of phrase; "Lemme a fiver / ten bob / whatever". How wrong can I get eh? :-) Cheers, Rich. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 05:20:00 2002 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:20:00 +0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: Nah, they should do the current line up... its Fookin tops man, better than some old get together with the used to be's This line up is the best i've heard regards iain Nick Lee wrote: > > Someone sent me this, I thought it might interest some of you. > > > > Kris :-) > > > > (Also I will get the exact costings for a crew bus and send it to Arin > soon > > as poss) > > > This'd pretty damn cool! Maybe a Hawkestra type line-up? Perhaps even the > Lemster could be tempted over the pond for something of this scale? > > Nick From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 05:19:02 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (Zlak Sak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:19:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Lemmy wrote in length, around the earlier nineties, in some American magazine, about the specifics of his drug arrest. Amphetamines...that might make sense, accept, it doesn't gel with what my mind vaguely remembers. Whatever he was arrested for (and long hairs must be druggies after all), was more in line, that he had a medication/sleeping aid/dietary drug that had elements in it that weren't legal in the United States, but where elsewhere. More bad luck, then anything, but perhaps, he was using the drug or whatever it was as a "Drug Story Cowboy." I don't really know. Nik and Lemmy have played, or attempted to play at each others shows, so whatever hard feelings, might or might not exist between them from the past seem forgiven. Unless, Lemmy or Nik, claims that Nik was largely responsible for Lemmy's ousting I wouldn't put too much weight in it, although it is entirely possible. From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 06:01:06 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:01:06 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: "Lemme a fiver" is where the name comes from. As far as I know speed has never been called lemmy. I think the drug was amphetamine sulphate. At the time it was legal in America.The drug bust was just an excuse. Some members in the band were looking for an excuse to get rid of him because Lemmy was/is a hardcore speed freak, he guzzles JD by the bottle and was covered in nazi regalia. His lifestyle is beginning to catch up to him. He has diabetes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... > > > > Lemmy means speed freak. Interesting I just thought it was a name. I > know > > Motorhead is slang for speed freak as is a Lost Johnny, and now Lemmy you > > say. Hmmm... it would appear, a large part of Lemmy's youthful fire is > > inspired by this type of high. > > > > Tish - and there's me believing the oft repeated story that Lemmy came from > Mr Kilmister's oft repeated of phrase; "Lemme a fiver / ten bob / whatever". > > How wrong can I get eh? > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 07:02:55 2002 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:02:55 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/02 5:57:47 AM, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: << "Lemme a fiver" is where the name comes from. As far as I know speed has never been called lemmy. >> This is correct. I was getting worried by the end of the morning you guys would be buying this "lemmy means speed" nonsense. Sheesh. Also Moorcock and Calvert both never played bass in Hawkwind. Also amphetamine sulphate was the cause of the bust, misidentified at that moment by cocaine by the authorities. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jan 28 07:24:59 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:24:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <006d01c1a7cc$666a6420$b4a5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Dan Witt wrote: => Nik was one of the main people asking for Lemmy to be fired in 75, so I => don't think they will be joining up soon. But Lemmy is on record thanking Nik for doing this. As far as Lemmy is concerned, getting fired from Hawkwind is one of the best things that ever happened to him. I don't think he bears any ill will about it. I get the impression that Lemmy has moved on, and it's only the fans of the Hawkwind "Lemmy era" that harbour the fantasy of seeing them back together again. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 07:38:29 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:38:29 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Kings of Lemmy Kings of Lemmy Gonna make you kings of Lemmy.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Friedman" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... > In a message dated 1/28/02 5:57:47 AM, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > << "Lemme a fiver" is where the name comes from. As far as I know speed has > > never been called lemmy. > > >> > > This is correct. I was getting worried by the end of the morning you guys > would be buying this "lemmy means speed" nonsense. Sheesh. Also Moorcock and > Calvert both never played bass in Hawkwind. Also amphetamine sulphate was the > cause of the bust, misidentified at that moment by cocaine by the authorities. > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 07:40:14 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:40:14 EST Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: In a message dated 28/01/02 8:48:48 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, iainferguson at AOL.COM writes: > Nah, > > they should do the current line up... its Fookin tops man, better than some > old > get together with the used to be's > > This line up is the best i've heard > Theres no denying Lemmys talent etc - but personally I really love the stuff coming from the Hawks of recent times and so I agree with the above comment (used to be's might be going a smidgen to far, but hey - thats a personal thing) It was cool to see Lemmy at the Hawkestra - but personally - I was more impressed with Dave Brock - Huw Lloyd Langton - Harvey Bainbridge - Ron Tree - Jerry - Simon - Richard - Keith Kniveton - the current line up etc .... and one more thing - Whatever Dave Brock is doing to keep Hawkship Hawkwind in such fine form - has my vote of approval 100%!!!!!!!!!!!! Space-rock-n-roll From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 07:45:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:45:18 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: In a message dated 28/01/02 11:04:41 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > This is correct. I was getting worried by the end of the morning you guys > > would be buying this "lemmy means speed" nonsense. Sheesh. Also Who wants to bet a fiver that "Lemmy" WILL be a new slang term for speed by tomorrow? I can hear it allready LoL "Got any "LEMMY" fer sale myaaaaan??? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 28 07:46:32 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:46:32 GMT Subject: HW: Baker appearances In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > >From my files, the only candidates from the official canon are: > > Aren't "Dangerous Vision" (from 'Zones') Is this a live track? > and "Master of the Universe" > & "World of Tiers" (from 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze'/whatever) also from this > gig (London Lewisham Odeon 18.12.80)? It would be plausible, since the > complete tracklist from the show is: Possibly. I'd not considered that. Opinions? FoFP > > 18.12.1980, LONDON, LEWISHAM ODEON, 100/8 > intro* / levitation / motorway city / death trap / angels of death / > shot down in the night / psychosis* / 5th second of forever / > dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental* / urban guerilla* / > uncle sam's on mars* / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude* / > who's gonna win the war* / psi power / brainstorm* / silver machine* / > master of the universe > > Which would mean that the entire concert has been released except for the > asterisked tracks ("intro", "Psychosis", "instrumental", "Urban > Guerilla", "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The > War", "Brainstorm" & "Silver Machine"). > > I believe the only Hawkwind song Ginger Baker ever played live that was NOT > performed at this gig was "Lighthouse", which was obviously dropped from > the set after Tim Blake left the band (and note that the Lewisham Odeon > show is the first and only time Ginger Baker played "Angles of Death" with > Hawkwind). > > >Zones (Flicknife 1983) > >----- > > > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >The Island 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > (aka "Dust of Time" instrumental section) > > >Motorway City 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > > > > >Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) > >---------- > > > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >Psy Power 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Levitation 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Circles 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Space Chase 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Death Trap 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Angels Of Death 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Shot Down In The Night 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > > >> Is there a text database with this sort of info included online anywhere? > > > >Bernhard has a list of the lineups at known gigs which can be used to > >establish on which gigs Baker played.That in alliance with my file got > >me the above info. Bernhard will also be able to tell you which live > >tapes are available of Baker concerts, and their quality. > > If you're registered to use Yahoo! lists, you can find the files here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neo-quark/files/Important%20files/ > (these versions appear to be about six months old, so Bernhard may have > more recent ones with info from the Fall tour). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 08:12:15 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:12:15 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Not that wrong :-) Tis sorta well documented that. Bill > > > > Tish - and there's me believing the oft repeated story that Lemmy came from > Mr Kilmister's oft repeated of phrase; "Lemme a fiver / ten bob / whatever". > > How wrong can I get eh? > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 08:15:02 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:15:02 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Steve Skane sent thru the ether: > he guzzles JD by the bottle..... Me too. Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 28 09:38:32 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please In-Reply-To: <002b01c1a679$73e49b60$ae219dc3@merlinas>; from merlinas@DIRCON.CO.UK on Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 02:54:56PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 02:54:56PM -0000, Dave Bottomley wrote: > >I'm up to the Hawkestra - Just want to make sure I have not left anyone out > >Dave Brock - Harvey Bainbridge - Huw Lloyd Langton - Alan Davey - Keith > >Kniveton - Dik Mik - Nik Turner - Richard Chadwick - Jerry Richards - Ron > >Tree - Martin Griffin - Simon House - Thomas Crimble - Steve > >Swindels...... > >Give me a thump - cause I know I've missed one or more - do'oh > > To which you can add... > > Tim Blake...Danny Thompson...Del Dettmar...Terry Ollis...Alan Powell...Sam > Fox....and some chap called Lemmy... ;@) Simon King too, no? Or am I just confused? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 09:41:42 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:41:42 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 1:09:02 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > Simon King too, no? Or am I just confused? Was he a part of the gig? From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 09:52:14 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:52:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: No. Has not played for years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:41 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind - little help please > In a message dated 29/01/02 1:09:02 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > > > > Simon King too, no? Or am I just confused? > > Was he a part of the gig? > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 28 10:02:24 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:02:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <200201280804.DAA11149@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:45:26AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:45:26AM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > Zlak spake... > > > I have a couple questions regarding Lemmy. Does anyone know the status > >of his legal entanglement with the United States over his bogus drug bust > >nearly THREE decades ago? > > Was it the US that 'busted' him? I was always thinking it was the > Canadians That was my impression too. At Niagara Falls, so presumably en route to a gig in Toronto. > but perhaps hearing 'detained at the Canadian border' in typical > Amerocentric fashion :-) > >Exactly, what drug was he arrested for, because > >it seems to be it was a sleeping aid or something benign. > > Amphetamines, as was already mentioned....not exactly a sleeping aid. But as Dan mentioned, not, at the time, as serious an offence as the cocaine they originally thought it was. It *was* illegal though, I believe. > And > of course, Lemmy means 'speed-freak' I believe. I thought it meant "lemmy a quid", as on everyone's t-shirts in the "1999 Party" photos. > >Does Lemmy even care anymore that he can't have a Green Card? > > As Dan said, seems to me he's lived in LA for a good decade. And doesn't seem to have too much trouble getting into Canada either. I've been to a couple of Motorhead gigs in Toronto, and have foregone many more. > some crap > about being a general ne'er-do-well to young kids' minds (as if we were all > likely to start staging demonstrations against the Vietnam War or > something). Why not? HW fans are dinosaurs anyway (just ask NME) :-) > >Just, drop all the power struggles of Hawkwind command, and let old > >friends, who just happen to be musicians make music. > > It seems a foregone conclusion that this ain't gonna happen. Well, they > were all on stage together in October, 2000... And by December 2000, HW had a new sax player (yay Jez!). Nuff said. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 10:06:26 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:06:26 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 1:18:45 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > No. Has not played for years. > I was under the impression he was hanging out back stage From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 10:11:10 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:11:10 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 1:32:58 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > And by December 2000, HW had a new sax player (yay Jez!). Nuff > said. > > Listening to the Yule Ritual - I was EXTREMELY impressed by the sax player - WOW!! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 28 10:17:01 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:17:01 GMT Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:40:14 EST Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > Theres no denying Lemmys talent etc - but personally I really love the stuff > coming from the Hawks of recent times The simple fact is that Lemmy hasn't been around in recent times and Ali has. That means if we're going to see real live Hawkwind then it has to be Ali. Lammy is an ex-hawk and it's great to see him guest occasionally, but he's an ex-hawk. > It was cool to see Lemmy at the Hawkestra - but personally - I was more > impressed with Dave Brock - Huw Lloyd Langton - Harvey Bainbridge - Ron Tree > - Jerry - Simon - Richard - Keith Kniveton - the current line up etc .... > > and one more thing - Whatever Dave Brock is doing to keep Hawkship Hawkwind > in such fine form - has my vote of approval 100%!!!!!!!!!!!! Count me in on that. Hawkwind showed on the recent tour that they still have what it takes and then some. Whatever is working to produce that shouldn't easily be meddled with. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 28 10:29:40 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:29:40 GMT Subject: HW: Baker appearances: Paging Bernhard In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > >From my files, the only candidates from the official canon are: > > Aren't "Dangerous Vision" (from 'Zones'), and "Master of the Universe" > & "World of Tiers" (from 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze'/whatever) also from this > gig (London Lewisham Odeon 18.12.80)? It would be plausible, since the > complete tracklist from the show is: I don't have Dangerous Vision down as a live track. MotU and WoT are down as Live in Late 1980 so Lewisham might well be where it's from. Bernhard, which other gigs on that tour were those two tracks played? What personnel changes would help narrow it down? > > 18.12.1980, LONDON, LEWISHAM ODEON, 100/8 > intro* / levitation / motorway city / death trap / angels of death / > shot down in the night / psychosis* / 5th second of forever / > dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental* / urban guerilla* / > uncle sam's on mars* / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude* / > who's gonna win the war* / psi power / brainstorm* / silver machine* / > master of the universe > > Which would mean that the entire concert has been released except for the > asterisked tracks ("intro", "Psychosis", "instrumental", "Urban > Guerilla", "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The > War", "Brainstorm" & "Silver Machine"). > > I believe the only Hawkwind song Ginger Baker ever played live that was NOT > performed at this gig was "Lighthouse", which was obviously dropped from > the set after Tim Blake left the band (and note that the Lewisham Odeon > show is the first and only time Ginger Baker played "Angles of Death" with > Hawkwind). > > >Zones (Flicknife 1983) > >----- > > > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >The Island 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > (aka "Dust of Time" instrumental section) > > >Motorway City 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > > > > >Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) > >---------- > > > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >Psy Power 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Levitation 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Circles 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Space Chase 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Death Trap 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Angels Of Death 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > >Shot Down In The Night 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon > > > >> Is there a text database with this sort of info included online anywhere? > > > >Bernhard has a list of the lineups at known gigs which can be used to > >establish on which gigs Baker played.That in alliance with my file got > >me the above info. Bernhard will also be able to tell you which live > >tapes are available of Baker concerts, and their quality. > > If you're registered to use Yahoo! lists, you can find the files here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neo-quark/files/Important%20files/ > (these versions appear to be about six months old, so Bernhard may have > more recent ones with info from the Fall tour). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Mon Jan 28 10:39:55 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:39:55 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - little help please Message-ID: He was there but did not play. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind - little help please > In a message dated 29/01/02 1:18:45 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > > > No. Has not played for years. > > > > I was under the impression he was hanging out back stage > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 11:04:09 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:04:09 EST Subject: off - something for the ultra adventerous - off Message-ID: http://www.hawkwind.co.za/ if you dare to live on the edge From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Jan 28 13:39:20 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (fool "with a" heart) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:39:20 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <20020128100224.B26284@telepres.com> Message-ID: can't help slide in: my brain always perceived that Lemmy's having been sacked from Hawkwind was a groundshaking trauma to him originally, as he loved Hawkwind and never wanted to be ousted..... comments later thanking Nik seem honest but developed over time in consideration of Motorhead success.... I think the "trauma" led to the plotting of "Bastard" (intended and original MH title) before the airplane ever touched down in England on the return journey... as the list "vets" and knowledgeables pointed out, cocaine was the reported charge of his arrest, at first, and it apparently took some lag time for the Canadian authorities to figure out and believe that he was indeed not possesing coke, but speed, illegal in Canada, but not as severe it is my understanding that Lemmy is a much better friend to Dave Brock than Nik, and that Dave had apologized to Lemmy over what had happened almost right away, and I believe they are friends to this day, despite weather Lemmy cares for song "medley" techniques to the old songs or not...... I can tell you that I know firsthand the comments from Lemmy to a friend when asked about Nik.......they were "Nik, I've had enough of him lately, thank you", circa sometime 90's-ish when Nik had just done some rounds..... when I asked Nik and Del about Lemmy -(Nik I hope you don't mind)- the comments I got in 94 (prior to Nik asking Lemmy to be involved with the LA show(s) was: "Toughish".....make of that what you will....I didn't take it as good or bad....just observation.... and- whomever said "Lemme a fiver" (Stuart is this annoying?)-or is that "Lemmy a fiver"...is correct.....just a nick at his apparent frequent borrowing.... apparently "Motorhead" is an American term for speedfreak although I have never been exposed to such and maybe it's regional and time-sensitive..... makes sense tho' and calls the motorcycle engine to mind along with the firing brain... and I know how to spell Amp Yules... what are ampules exactly anyway?? measurement?? I just like the sound of it........ ps- Nik is a god, and is extremely anarchistic about himself, and doesn't need any names or labels to be a super "bad-ass" (for lack of another term) ,,,,,BUT....Dave has managed to "be" the representative for Hawkwind "the band" proper over these years and let's get it put to rest that Dave is the "leader" when there is such a calling and the music ALL TOTAL is a magic force and absolutely astoundingly the coolest, enjoy it as it is, leave the techniques of it's creation to the conceivers....and if the infighting bothers your ability to recreationally enjoy it, maybe do a 180 and head for some Greatful Dead or something where love and peace figures more prominantly...(and this is NOT a poke at anyone, rather I am just enjoying mouthing off, take it lightly please!!!) also...Dave B. and Kris Tate appear on this list to keep you informed (I noticed THE GREAT REAPPEARANCE, DIDN'T YOU?), and if you want a shirt or a postcard or a video, or just a friendly hello on paper, your most likely source of such an occurence will be from Dave, and Kris.... they make the time for you doesn't seem like fans are taken for granted I think most of us here know that things are falling into place and lets let them......(hope you agree) I expect Nik to fly some quality dragons at us with his own ingenious brainchild, soon.(ish)...... mc foolish From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 12:41:03 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (slak zak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:41:03 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <25.220da13e.298697ef@aol.com> Message-ID: Eli - The Warriors at the Edge of Time release, by Cleopatra, contains a large collecters book of Hawkwind related items, and several interviews. One is with Moorcock and he discuss his friendship with Calvert, and how he did perform with Hawkwind as a bass player for a period of time. This is probably pre-Lemmy. Blessings - Jay --- Eli Friedman wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/02 5:57:47 AM, > sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > > << "Lemme a fiver" is where the name comes from. As > far as I know speed has > > never been called lemmy. > > >> > > This is correct. I was getting worried by the end of > the morning you guys > would be buying this "lemmy means speed" nonsense. > Sheesh. Also Moorcock and > Calvert both never played bass in Hawkwind. Also > amphetamine sulphate was the > cause of the bust, misidentified at that moment by > cocaine by the authorities. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 28 12:42:57 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:42:57 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind helpppppp Message-ID: > Some info from the wizards please.... > > Can someone help me fill in these blanks: > > Was the 1993 - 94 Hawkwind line up the same as 1992? > Brock-Davey-Chadwick Yes > > 1996 - Same line up as 1995? > Brock-Davey-Tree-Chadwick Yes > > 1998 - Same line up as 97? as in the 97 UK tour > Brock-Tree-Chadwick-Richards-Rizz-Dibbs No gigs in '98 ('cept the partial Strange Daze line-up!!) Nick From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jan 28 14:02:12 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:02:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Baker appearances: Paging Bernhard In-Reply-To: <200201281529.PAA02150@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi At 15:29 28.01.2002 +0000, you wrote: >Doug Pearson writes: > >> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:12 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >> >From my files, the only candidates from the official canon are: >> >> Aren't "Dangerous Vision" (from 'Zones'), and "Master of the Universe" >> & "World of Tiers" (from 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze'/whatever) also from this >> gig (London Lewisham Odeon 18.12.80)? It would be plausible, since the >> complete tracklist from the show is: > >I don't have Dangerous Vision down as a live track. MotU and WoT are >down as Live in Late 1980 so Lewisham might well be where it's from. > >Bernhard, which other gigs on that tour were those two tracks played? >What personnel changes would help narrow it down? Here are the recordings I have where DV and WoT were performed 06.11.1980, CHELMSFORD, ODEON, 60/9 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase 09.11.1980, HULL, CITY HALL 70/8 levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / psi power / brainstorm 10.11.1980, DONCASTER, ROTTERS, 70/9 psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm 12.12.1980, EDINBURGH, ODEON, 100/8 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / psychosis / world of tiers / instrumental / urban guerilla / uncle sam's on mars / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 18.12.1980, LONDON, LEWISHAM ODEON, 100/8 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / angels of death / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental / urban guerilla / uncle sam's on mars / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe cheers Bernhard From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jan 28 15:00:21 2002 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:00:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <20020128174103.9394.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In article <20020128174103.9394.qmail at web20707.mail.yahoo.com>, slak zak writes >Eli - > >The Warriors at the Edge of Time release, by >Cleopatra, contains a large collecters book of >Hawkwind related items, The Illustrated Collectors Guide To Hawkwind. >and several interviews. One >is with Moorcock and he discuss his friendship with >Calvert, and how he did perform with Hawkwind as a >bass player for a period of time. Time to re-read it perhaps. I just have, since I couldn't remember any mention anywhere ever of Moorcock playing bass for Hawkwind. In the interview, he mentions filling in for Calvert, specifically that it was the first time he had performed Sonic Attack. He doesn't mention bass. > This is probably >pre-Lemmy. Between In Search of Space and the Space Ritual. -- David Blair From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jan 28 16:46:12 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:46:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: More on Amon D=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FC=FCl?= II Message-ID: First of all, is anyone interested in trading their CD of 'Dance of the Lemmings' or 'Yeti' or the Utopia (ADII spin-off) album for my copy of the 20-track 'Made In Germany'? Or anything else good, before I exercise Amoeba's "return-anything-you-didn't-like-within-a-week-for-85%-of-the- original-price" policy on it? On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:53:06 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Hi Folks ... I thought I'd ask this question to whomever has the >Repertoire CD reissue of Phallus Dei. > >The bonus tracks are... >"Freak Out Requiem I" >"Freak Out Requiem II" >"Freak Out Requiem III" >"Cymbals In The End" > >So how are these things? I gather the first three are rather >non-structured? Is this all with Dave Anderson - I'm presuming? To further confuse things, some discs have 4 "Freak Out Requiem"s and some have 3, but the only difference is whether the first (7 minutes) is split into two sections (#'s 1 & 2), or left as one track with a few seconds of silence in the middle; they both contain the same music. One of the "Freak Out Requiem"s and "Cymbals in the End" are both less than a minute, so they can be ignored. However, those "Freak Out Requiem"s of length are very good, hot melodic jams. Less "non-structured" than the weirder stuff on 'Yeti' or 'Dance of the Lemmings', to be certain. Worth it to me, but I love 'Phallus Dei' and 'Yeti'. >Might some of this material be the source of certain snippets of music that >I heard (but didn't recognize) on those Japanese retro-pastische things >that I have (Kobe and Eternal Flashback)??? >Or is this all-different stuff from anything I've heard elsewhere? I haven't heard those, so I couldn't say. The "Freak Out Requiem"s sound like 'Phallus Dei'/'Yeti'-era outtakes to me ... >And I played my Made in Germany copy again last night...why is this album >so disrespected?! Because it's mostly awful? I bought a copy yesterday, and that was my impression after the first listen. There were some good bits, but they were few and far between, and many of them were buried (i.e. cool phase- shifted guitar solos that you can't hear 'cause of the DAMN ORCHESTRA!). >I'm not sure that many people have ever heard it in the 70 >minute format that it was intended to be...that single-LP crap that the US >label pulled was criminal! Well, they could have culled a single LP from it that would have been better than 'Hijack'. Maybe even 'Vive La Trance'. Maybe. I will agree that they could have done MUCH better than the released single LP version. >Now, Alan Davey felt he just had to learn to play bass when hearing >'Time We Left'...for me, if I was ever to be inspired to pick up a >guitar and try to learn to play it (hopeless!), it would be almost >entirely to try to reproduce Karrer's sound on La Kraut(Pal)oma - >that's just goosebump material. Yes, that's one of the good moments (and 6 minutes of good moments, no less!). >Oh, and 5.5.55* is >another guitar masterpiece...don't know who plays that >stream-of-consciousness soloing there (I always imagined it was Weinzierl >(he co-wrote it with Tischer), but I never know who's who!) but it too is >stunning work and again comes in for a landing just as the chorus is set to >go...I love that stuff. Another good one, but it's way too short. >So...I think people just have the opinion that MiG was a overly pretentious >mess (a valid personal criticism)...but if anyone thinks it lacks the >original stylish madness of earlier works, or is somehow too poppy, they >just ain't listening! Save the Abba track, the vocal tracks on there are >hardly standard compositions! And there's heaps of crazy electronics and >synthesizers all over the place. It's a damn *weird* album, and nothing >like what was shortly to come with Zauner's influence. So I hope people >don't pass on it simply because this is what they've been told. It IS a weird album (and I usually like weird albums), mostly because all the extremely varied elements that are thrown into it just don't work with each other. The negative ones go on for too long (like the orchestral overture), and most of the positive ones are either too short, or buried under the negative ones. If I want to hear an orchestra & electronics duet, I'll listen to Stockhausen or Xenaxis. >Well, that's enough ridiculous campaigning for just one album from me...I >suppose part of my love for this work is that this was the first ADII album >that really got me going on them (even though it was the second one I got, >following Phallus Dei oddly enough - it being the first of the classic >period and MiG being the last)...and that was the crappy version! Hmm ... it was the EXACT opposite for me ... I first bought the US MiG, and thought it truly sucked. I next got 'Carnival In Babylon', which I thought was a whole lot better, but it still didn't do much for me. THEN, I got 'Phallus Dei', which thoroughly blew me away and turned me into a fan. I've subsequently come to like 'Carnival In Babylon' a whole lot (it's their most "folk"/acoustic-oriented album, and I love psychedelic folk rock), but not 'Made In Germany'. >Anyway, before I wasn't really putting down Yeti that much (it is a great >album after all), I'm just wondering why everybody focusses on just two or >three albums of theirs and totally ignore all the others. Carnival in >Babylon ain't too shabby either. It's HiJack that really suffered...and >even there, there are some nice moments. > >My rankings would go... > >0. Lemmingmania (the four single tracks are great, but this is a comp. and >doesn't fully count - but taken at face value, it wins) Essential if you're not going to get all of the first five albums. Not essential if you are ... >1. Wolf City (no second guessing here) This isn't MY favorite ADII album (I prefer the first two, and probably also 'Carnival in Babylon'), but I still like it an awful lot. It definitely does present the best hybridization of their earlier freakouts and later pop-oriented elements. The varied elements on this album work together *perfectly*, in complete contrast to MiG. It probably would be the best introduction for folks not into 20+-minute freakouts. >2. Made in Germany (70min rock opera version) Disagree. Very strongly. I'd probably put it at "8" (better than 'Hijack', which is really bad IMO). >3. Dance of the Lemmings >3. Yeti (tie) > (Disc one of DotL paired with Disc one of Yeti would move to No. 1) I like 'Yeti' more, but I don't share Julian Cope's (strongly negative) opinion of 'Dance of the Lemmings' AT ALL. >4. Carnival in Babylon > Made in Germany (single LP) would go here > Live in London would go about here >5. Utopia (virtually ADII) >6. Phallus Dei I'd consider all the albums down to here (except the live one and, of course, 'Made In Germany') to be the essential ADII canon, even though I might quibble over the order. The first five albums and the Utopia album are all great. > BBC Live would go about here >7. Vive la Trance >8. Pyragony X >9. Vortex >9. HiJack (tie) > Nada Moonshine # belongs here to, but won't officially include it >11. Only Human >12. Almost Alive ... and I'd avoid all of these (and MiG). >ObCD: Kraan - Andy Nogger (EMI reissue) Just in the mail today! Great! Oh man, on New Years Day, the guy we were staying with woke us up at 8AM (we passed out at around 3.30AM) blasting Kraan (no idea which album). That still stands as my most miserable experience of 2002 so far ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Jan 28 16:55:07 2002 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:55:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <49.1787e1b0.2986c40e@aol.com> Message-ID: >Listening to the Yule Ritual - I was EXTREMELY impressed by the sax player - >WOW!! Listen to that particular album seems easier said than done... ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 28 17:24:02 2002 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:24:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Camden 1977 tidied up for trade In-Reply-To: <88.120ff24b.296de290@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi All, OK, I'm going out on a limb here. I have what I hope is the best available version of the excellent Camden Music Machine June 10, 1977 gig available for trade. If you like this HW era then you have to have this. It's a cracking gig and apart from a honker of a bum chord at the beginning of High Rise, the band doesn't put a foot wrong. Track list: Reefer Madness Hassan I Sahba Forge of the Vulcan Brainstorm Wind of Change Steppenwolf High Rise Robot Spirit of the Age Damnation Alley Uncle Sam's on Mars The Iron Dream Master of the Universe (encore) Running time: 79m 46sec Sound quality: On the whole, I would rate this as a high 7, rising to 8 and dipping to 6 in places. Details: First off, thanks to all those who sent me tapes of this gig (plus the June 11 show). I used the good quality "Forge of the Vulcan" CD for the work because it seems there are two distinct Camden tapes available of which one is definitely wrong. If you have a tape which suddenly stops in Spirit of the Age, bangs into the *middle section only* of Master of the Universe and then bangs into the post-vocal section (the big organ chord riff) of Damnation Alley then chances are, your tape is sped up by about 7%. Although it might sound exciting, the tempos are completely wrong. For example, the sped up version of the Camden Uncle Sam runs at over 170bpm!! The correct version runs at about 150bpm and for a point of reference, the PXR5 version is about 145bpm. Steppenwolf sounds completely nuts at the wrong tempo. The main problem with the Vulcan CD is that although it sounds clean, it is strangely lifeless so I did some work on it. First thing was to swap channels as Dave's guitar was on the left. Then to try and spice it up a bit, I added some midrange (not too much or it gets nasal). I tried doing other things to give it more edge but I always ended up with something that degraded the sound too much. Then, as usual, the balance across the recording was skewed and inconsistent so I set up envelope controls to try and keep things central. It doesn't always work but it's better than having the sound coming all from one side. As for the track joins, the music is continuous up to Spirit of the Age where I had to fade it out. There is then a quick fade up into Damnation Alley and this version has some of the main vocals. Music is then continuous to the "thank you" after The Iron Dream. Master of the Universe is incomplete so this has the end of the first section, the complete middle section and the first half of the third section - more than the other tape version. There are some minor problems with the sound. In the quiet bits (Forge of the Vulcan and Wind of Change) there is a quiet clicking in the left. I tried everything to get rid of this and it worked if listening on speakers but headphones showed up the processing so I had to let it stand. There is also a strange treble artifact in Damnation Alley on the cymbals (they sound swooshy) and the only way to fix this would have been to drop the treble EQ - no cymbals in other words so again, I left it. The sound also breaks up slightly towards the end of Robot. Finally, on the CD burn, there is a small click between Steppenwolf and High Rise. I haven't worked out what causes this as if you burn with the 2 second gap, it plays fine or if you play the WAVs individually or strung together on the PC it plays fine - it just cocks up on the CD. Oh, and there are none of those maddening 2 sec gaps except before the encore. Anyway, I've blurbed enough. If you want to trade, please contact me on . Cheers, Mark From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 28 17:52:19 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:52:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: > can't help slide in: > > my brain always perceived that Lemmy's having been sacked from Hawkwind > was a > groundshaking trauma to him originally, as he loved Hawkwind and never > wanted to be ousted..... > comments later thanking Nik seem honest but developed over time in > consideration > of Motorhead success.... > I never thought he felt that was a problem. He was a man who would always get a great gig. Witness the Sam Gopal Dream album... All hail Our Lord Ian of Lemster. :-) Cheers, Rich. From motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 28 17:58:06 2002 From: motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM (slak zak) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:58:06 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... In-Reply-To: <61I5hYAV3aV8Ewkx@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: I apologize about the bass thing, and I was certain Moorcock had performed some role, other then just a poetic voice, for the sake of Calvert. Maybe, a trumpet then. Thanks - Jay --- David Blair wrote: > In article > <20020128174103.9394.qmail at web20707.mail.yahoo.com>, > slak zak > writes > >Eli - > > > >The Warriors at the Edge of Time release, by > >Cleopatra, contains a large collecters book of > >Hawkwind related items, > > The Illustrated Collectors Guide To Hawkwind. > > >and several interviews. One > >is with Moorcock and he discuss his friendship with > >Calvert, and how he did perform with Hawkwind as a > >bass player for a period of time. > > Time to re-read it perhaps. I just have, since I > couldn't remember any > mention anywhere ever of Moorcock playing bass for > Hawkwind. In the > interview, he mentions filling in for Calvert, > specifically that it was > the first time he had performed Sonic Attack. He > doesn't mention bass. > > > This is probably > >pre-Lemmy. > > Between In Search of Space and the Space Ritual. > -- > David Blair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 28 18:16:52 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:16:52 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: Where I was coming from with this was that : I'd love to see HW at Glastonbury I'd love to see them on one of the big stages, I've been too cramped in the Avalon stage watching bands I love too often To get a gig on one of the main stages something special'd be needed... The current line-up is possibly the strongest I've heard but for the random punters a big name like Lemmy would help. Nick (looking forward to what the current line-up have to offer in the studio soon) > Nah, > > they should do the current line up... its Fookin tops man, better than some old > get together with the used to be's > > This line up is the best i've heard > > regards > iain > > Nick Lee wrote: > > > > Someone sent me this, I thought it might interest some of you. > > > > > > Kris :-) > > > > > > (Also I will get the exact costings for a crew bus and send it to Arin > > soon > > > as poss) > > > > > This'd pretty damn cool! Maybe a Hawkestra type line-up? Perhaps even the > > Lemster could be tempted over the pond for something of this scale? > > > > Nick From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Jan 28 18:42:33 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:42:33 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: > The current line-up is possibly the strongest I've heard but for the random > punters a big name like Lemmy would help. > Oh, hell's teeth... Do you want to see Hawkwind, or the Hawkestra. Or, do you want to see Kiss playing with Peter Criss and the Space Ace? This is 2002. Remember? We move on. THIS IS NOT 1972 - DO NOT PANIC! I know, they could be supported by Girlschool with Kelly still playing maybe? Maybe I'll reform Whorelix! Booker T and The MG's could support! Yeah - maybe they could dig up Booker T!!! How about a Led Zep reformation, with Jason Bonham on Drums? The Beatles with Dharni and Julian? Or maybe you'd like to see Richie Blackmore come and f*** up another Deep Purple reunion? In case anyone hasn't got my drift yet, Hawkwind is Hawkwind NOW. Not Hawkwind twenty years ago. If you're hankering back to your teenage years, go home and listen to Sonic Attack. (Fantastic Album, but it's not Hawkwind NOW.) Hawkwind have always done things differently from other bands. I (for one) want to see them carrying on doing things differently. And new. Who here almost castrated themselves whenthey heard "It Is The Business..."? Hawkwind do (urgh) Techno? No way. It's hardly Hurry On Sundown, is it? Grow up. (I've got an Alien Planetscapes album from six years ago - that might make your day.) I don't mean to get at you in particular, but you get my point. I agree that Lemmy would sell a load more tickets - but see my DP point above. Cheers, Rich. ** Whoopee, we're all gonna die ** From mlawrenc at AU1.IBM.COM Mon Jan 28 21:25:28 2002 From: mlawrenc at AU1.IBM.COM (Marty Lawrence) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:25:28 +1100 Subject: HW: Baker appearances: Message-ID: Hi I went to the Southampton show on the mini xmas tour, and they played Dangerous Vision and Angels of Death, I remember this as I had just received the first weird tape with the SA version of angels etc, and thought it was pretty good. Cant remember if the stupid drum solo in brainstorm was still in the set. have fun Marty p.s for any Australian's on the list JB in Melbourne has the 1st weird tape on CD for $A26.99. From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 28 23:25:22 2002 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:25:22 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Dear Jay, Thanks for correcting my corrections, but you are still totally wrong. First off the Warriors release you are referring to is NOT on Cleopatra, its on Griffen. If you actually bother to read the Moorcock interview, he discusses filling in for Calvert on vocals, which was the only capacity in which either gentlemen played with Hawkwind. NOT on bass. Now don't correct me again, get your facts straight, and try reading your reference sources. Happy to help, Eli In a message dated 1/28/02 12:41:20 PM, motoringmojo at YAHOO.COM writes: << Eli - The Warriors at the Edge of Time release, by Cleopatra, contains a large collecters book of Hawkwind related items, and several interviews. One is with Moorcock and he discuss his friendship with Calvert, and how he did perform with Hawkwind as a bass player for a period of time. This is probably pre-Lemmy. Blessings - Jay >> From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 29 03:12:15 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (less self future) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:12:15 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: (in reference to any heart break, if any, experienced by Lemmy at his being severed from the Hawkwind membership politically speaking): <<>>> I thought he found HW to his comfort zone:-) anyway it is a true statement above for sure.......(traumatic was a strong word I applicated) (also- and unconnected) was just thinking somewhere having heard "motorhead" was a reference to a tattoo "device" in some way....(not my subject) also recall (thinking now of weird Calvert fill-ins) the TV show where Calvert played guitar when Dave decided not to do an appearance..(Mark Bolan, whatever it were) as I creep to get the hell out of sight I close with "man that Paradogs CD sure has some wonderfully wild effects" (upon another play, same comment as before probably) (great CD in my opinion, which I feel some may agree with, in case they haven't reached for that yet) thanks for tolerating me on this board and especially those (who've gone) far beyond (that) in human depth of character ...... closing note: people I've known on here (in past) (have told me) to: definately hear Iggy Pop's "Raw Power" album in life at least once did it today.....heard the remixed CD,,,realize this does absolutely nothing to improve who or what I matter in the world to any degree..(nor benefit the general reader of this at all)..but I did .....(I like the first one best) -the person as yet still not formerly known as anything- m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 02:00:08 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:00:08 EST Subject: HW: yule ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 8:29:49 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM writes: > >Listening to the Yule Ritual - I was EXTREMELY impressed by the sax player > - > >WOW!! > > Listen to that particular album seems easier said than done... > Why is that? Can't locate a copy? Andy G can get it for you. CD Services From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 02:03:09 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:03:09 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Warning, If you continue onwards to read the contents of this email it may damage your mental health and permanently disable your emotional stability. This takes the links game in a completely different direction and the results can be quite worrying. It just goes to show that you can probably link Hawkwind to most 'musical artists' (the quotes ARE ironic) without too much hassle. Further warnings are that non UK based readers may not recognise some of these 'artists' but UK based readers may recoil in horror when they see some of the names. Definite links exist to: Culture Club Massive Attack Toyah Wilcox Atomic Kitten Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) Warning, these are just as valid as links to Led Zep, Mountain et al. Be afraid, be very afraid. By the way, neither Moorcock or Calvert ever played bass in Hawkwind. Moorcock did play banjo somewhere and Calvert did play the trumpet somewhere. See you soon, Mark From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 02:14:10 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:14:10 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 2:56:51 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, EliPXR5 at AOL.COM writes: > Dear Jay, > Thanks for correcting my corrections, but you are still totally > wrong. First off the Warriors release you are referring to is NOT on > Cleopatra, its on Griffen. If you actually bother to read the Moorcock > interview, he discusses filling in for Calvert on vocals, which was the > only > capacity in which either gentlemen played with Hawkwind. NOT on bass. Now > don't correct me again, get your facts straight, and try reading your > reference sources. > Happy to help, Eli > It is indeed on Griffin - I have it right here - even if it is a misspress :-( same book etc From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 02:17:32 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:17:32 EST Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 5:35:03 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK writes: > Definite links exist to: > > Culture Club > Massive Attack > Toyah Wilcox > Atomic Kitten > Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here > Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here > Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) > *alien dream* (inspiration maybehaps) From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 02:54:57 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:54:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: Mike, Good Morning to you. You are in the right area. My recollection is that Brock didn't turn up coz his car broke down (official reason) or he didn't want to mime on a TV show (alternative reason). Calvert played guitar in a mimed performance on the Marc show (it was Marc Bolan's show). For this performance he also had a stuffed bird attached to his wrist Quite unreal!! Mark On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:12:15 -0600, less self future wrote: >[snip] >also recall (thinking now of weird Calvert fill-ins) the TV show where >Calvert played guitar when Dave decided not to do an appearance..(Mark >Bolan, whatever it were) > >-the person as yet still not formerly known as anything- >[and snip] >m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 29 02:49:27 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:49:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Duul II Message-ID: If anybody makes it through this ridiculous pile of verbosity, you win a prize! First, Doug lets me know his feelings in no uncertain terms... :) >First of all, is anyone interested in trading their CD of 'Dance of the >Lemmings' or 'Yeti' or the Utopia (ADII spin-off) album for my copy of the >20-track 'Made In Germany'? Or anything else good, before I exercise >Amoeba's "return-anything-you-didn't-like-within-a-week-for-85%-of-the- >original-price" policy on it? Hey...that's a pretty good deal. Though every time I've shopped there, I've left the city within a day or two. >>Might some of this material be the source of certain snippets of music >>that I heard (but didn't recognize) on those Japanese retro-pastische >>things that I have (Kobe and Eternal Flashback)??? >>Or is this all-different stuff from anything I've heard elsewhere? > >I haven't heard those, so I couldn't say. The "Freak Out Requiem"s sound >like 'Phallus Dei'/'Yeti'-era outtakes to me ... Well, I've just gone back over my Kobe and E.F. discs, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stuff does appear somewhere in here. Kobe is pretty lame if you ask me...most of the stuff is sampled bits and pieces from Yeti and DotL I believe, mixed and remixed and spliced together with other noises (extracted bits of percussion from the background brought way up front or so it seems). And particularly annoying is the frequent use of a 'faux vinyl' click noise that's obviously added intentionally 'cause the click always sounds the same, and it repeats obviously slower than 33 1/3 rpm speed. I can't stand listening to these parts. There are supposedly six tracks but it's all indexed as a single 66 minute piece. Makes it even harder to jump ahead to something not so grating. The weirdest thing is that the thing ends up with (about 90 seconds of) Master of the Universe straight off of ISoS. I guess the Cap'n Trip boys are suggesting that this was the end of the Dave Anderson era of AD2, but then this is where he reappeared or something. E.F. is way better. And in fact, this seems very much like a 'Dawn of Hawkwind' analog for AD2. Again, we've got 67 minutes of stuff all indexed as one track (no separate titles this time), and it again has a few moments taken directly from the albums (Cerberus is in there for sure, and maybe something from DotL Side 4?). But then there are some obvious pre-Phallus Dei demo recordings in here also. Including most obviously a slowed-down earlier version of Kanaan, which then leads right into the P.D. version of the same tune. There's also a couple different folk/skiffle type pieces, with violin and soprano? sax, suggesting indeed Chris Karrer is heard here, and I think I hear his voice mumbling stuff in the background. I don't hear Renate sing, but I think I hear her space whisper voice two or three times. There's another half-structured jam tune with one small bit that sounds very familiar, something from Yeti Disc One I'm pretty sure....I'm not good with song titles these days. Late in the piece there's another longer and more 'rockish' jam with occasional respites of just 'ooh' and 'aah' vocals. Very ethnic sounding with Shrat obviously banging on bongoes. Well, anyway, this isn't so bad, and in fact Doug you really need to hear this one, but again it isn't as interesting as the stuff on the 2nd LPs of Yeti and DotL IMHO, and that's the stuff that doesn't interest me as much as their crazy multipart lyrical songs. >>And I played my Made in Germany copy again last night...why is this album >>so disrespected?! > >Because it's mostly awful? I bought a copy yesterday, and that was my >impression after the first listen. There were some good bits, but they >were few and far between, and many of them were buried (i.e. cool phase- >shifted guitar solos that you can't hear 'cause of the DAMN ORCHESTRA!). >The negative ones go on for too long (like the orchestral overture) Less annoying than some of the vocal histrionics in Phallus Dei. :) Anyway, the orchestra is off-and-on for me. Like Moorcock's readings/singings on WotEoT and the 80s albums. You know, some days it doesn't seem right not to hear them in succession with the regular tracks, some days I just can't stand hearing them and skip over them. That Overture is the same way for me. Pretentious rubbish for sure...but some times I have to listen to the whole thing anyway...it wouldn't be a 'rock opera' without it. :) In the rest of the album, there is a time or two when the brassy horns piss me off, but for some reason I'm not completely thrown off by them...and it's not really *that* prevalent I don't believe. >It IS a weird album (and I usually like weird albums), mostly because all >the extremely varied elements that are thrown into it just don't work with >each other. Well, I think your criticisms are valid, and it's just one of those things that for some reason works wonders for me. The weird album I picked up recently and feel sort of 'burned' by is White Noise - An Electric Storm. Have you heard this thing? Well, Side Two is acceptable, but man, Side One is total bollocks. Hoo boy! >>I suppose part of my love for this work is that this was the first ADII >>album that really got me going on them (even though it was the second one >>I got, following Phallus Dei oddly enough - it being the first of the >>classic period and MiG being the last)...and that was the crappy version! > >Hmm ... it was the EXACT opposite for me ... I first bought the US MiG, and >thought it truly sucked. There's a temporal perspective here that's sort of important, given that I was hearing them at a fairly young age (18 or 19), just a couple years after being introduced to Hawkwind, at that point the only even remotely unusual thing I had begun listening to. So Phallus Dei came into my possession around the same time as Gong - You (which I didn't get at all at first) and a Hillage album perhaps, and the first Egg album, and maybe Nektar - Down to Earth. You see, all Hawkwind-connected albums. I didn't know *anyone* who listened to what I was discovering, so I was completely on my own. I didn't even know what it was called. Had never heard early Pink Floyd then. So Phallus Dei was just totally off the wall to me. I kinda liked some things there, but was a little surprised it sounded so different than what Hawkwind seemed to me. Made in Germany I guess made more sense to me 'cause it sounded a little more like normal rock music, but yet the songs were hardly conventional. I suppose this explains a lot. But then I have the same reaction as everyone else to HiJack (which I heard quickly thereafter) so that doesn't exactly jibe. That album is *truly* bereft of musical ideas, the usual take on MiG which I don't think is accurate. I mean, the 'instrumental hero' on HiJack is not even in the band (per se)! I'd say that Olaf Kubler's flute and sax playing outshine *all* of the other instruments on that album. It's mostly Lothar and Renate vocalizing to half-hearted strumming. But the thing I guess I was ranting about with MiG is all the times that I see writers talking about how they were pressured by the record company (probably true) to do some mainstream singles, and so MiG is the result of that. Or that the album was 'ordinary' or lacking musical ideas. And I think that's crap. You can say it turned out poorly (as you did, Doug) which is fine, but don't ignore the fact that this was wildly ambitious and hardly full of anything that would make a good single (well, maybe that awful Wide Angle...but then they left that off the US version, so...). With some people (and I'm thinking of the Freemans and Asbjornson I guess who wrote the twin Krautrock bibles, but I don't mean to single them out even though I just did), I get the impression that there's a stock way of thinking about old, "classic" music in a kind of snobbish way I suppose. And that there are certain things that it's ok to like and other things that are just not ok to like. And that different bands with different talents and/or 'voices' aren't really allowed to be accepted for what they were, but rather judged by some perspective of the entire 'movement' surrounding them. Maybe I'm not being clear here, it's hard to express in words. Like take the Scorpions for instance. This was the first band from Germany I ever heard, c. 1981 with Animal Magnetism probably. (I was a metalhead long before I heard HW, obviously.) The 'ok' thing is to say that "Hey, they were a krautrock band once, when Conny Plank was their producer and they made Lonesome Crow in 1972." So whenever you read about the Scorpions from a krautrock perspective, obviously this album is 'great' (or at least very acceptable) and everything after that is horrible trash. Personally, I think that Lonesome Crow isn't a particularly good example of a krautrock album, and they in fact went the direction that they *should* have gone in, and made metal albums cause that's what they were good at (at least when Roth was on guitar). And so I prefer 'In Trance' and 'Taken By Force' more than Lonesome Crow, even though the latter is by far more similar to what I have now in my collection overall. I think maybe a similar thing has happened historically to albums like ASAM and Levitation which I believe are both underrated. They just didn't meet expectations (well, when ASAM came out, HW was still only one 'thing' up to that point) and so it's hard to accept them at face value. OK, now back to where we were.... >> BBC Live would go about here >>7. Vive la Trance >>8. Pyragony X >>9. Vortex >>9. HiJack (tie) >> Nada Moonshine # belongs here to, but won't officially include it >>11. Only Human >>12. Almost Alive Well, I think I'd now revise this a little bit. Pulled out Pyragony today, and forgot how bad this one is too! I usually think of the fact that at least it has "Flower of the Orient", but the rest of it is pretty dire. And I think I sold Vortex a bit short on the other hand...it's got three or four decent tunes (and then a couple really awful things too). So, let's say... (I didn't count numbers correctly above, so add one more) 8. Vortex 9. Vive la Trance 10. Only Human (70% disco-jazz rubbish) 11. HiJack Nada Moonshine # belongs here to, but won't officially include it 12. Pyragony X (90% disco-jazz rubbish) 13. Almost Alive (100% disco-jazz rubbish) >... and I'd avoid all of these (and MiG). Well, it's true that there are no 'must haves' here, but I have them all on CD (mainly to be komplete) and think all but the last two (and also Meetings with Menmachines...actually I don't have that CD!) are worth keeping. But what someone might do who doesn't have any of this later material and has some interest...there's a compilation (The Greatest Hits, oddly enough) of Hijack-through-Vortex tunes that's actually not so bad a selection. It's got Traveller and De Guadeloop (a rare Faustian sort of thing for AD2 though too long) from HiJack, Metropolois and La Krautoma (edit) from MiG, Flower of the Orient, and Don't Turn Too Stone and Kismet (the best tracks from Only Human). Unfortunately it only has the awful Mona from Vortex instead of Holy West or something decent. It's on the Vinyl Records label distributed by Hot Productions in Miami FL. Cat No. HTCD 5501-2. >>ObCD: Kraan - Andy Nogger (EMI reissue) Just in the mail today! Great! > >Oh man, on New Years Day, the guy we were staying with woke us up at 8AM >(we passed out at around 3.30AM) blasting Kraan (no idea which album). >That still stands as my most miserable experience of 2002 so far ... Well, Kraan is probably a band you wouldn't much care for, though I'm sure there are albums you'd be more receptive to, and others you couldn't stand for a minute. They have always been a proggy 'jazz-rock' band first and foremost, though their first four albums have a distinct psychedelic flavor. In 1975, like everybody else in Germany it seems, they became an antiseptic fusiony band that still showed talent but their sound of course is really dated. So they're not all that different from Gong. I think Wintrup is the best album, and the ones before and after (Kraan and Andy Nogger) are both fine works. Wintrup does have an annoying final track 'Jack Steam' but you can stop it early. Whew! Grakkl (FAA) P.S. What's going on with Hawkwind? :) I promise I'll stop now. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 29 02:54:48 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:54:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, Nik and... Message-ID: Eli spouts sense... >In a message dated 1/28/02 5:57:47 AM, sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU writes: > ><< "Lemme a fiver" is where the name comes from. As far as I know speed has >never been called lemmy. > >This is correct. I was getting worried by the end of the morning you guys >would be buying this "lemmy means speed" nonsense. Sheesh. Yeah, OK, so I know I've read that before, who was it that wrote/printed it? Or has it been many people? To be honest, I've never heard the 'lemme a fiver' origin, but that of course makes 600 times more sense. And water goes down the drain counter-clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere, right? :) Keeping it short...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Oh yeah, and it's not Shrat on the cover of Yeti either, Mr. Cope. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 05:45:38 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:45:38 +0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor In-Reply-To: <000e01c1a893$7aab7380$6f23fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: In message <000e01c1a893$7aab7380$6f23fea9 at oemcomputer>, mark von bargen writes > >Definite links exist to: > >Culture Club Yes, Jon Moss drumming at Nik's recent shindig... >Massive Attack I may be in a minority, but I'm amazed to see this band lumped in with the other chart fodder here. "Mezzanine" is a phenomenal album IMHO, and their others have their moments too. You can't honestly tell me that a band who write heavy-duty dub-stoner material like "Karmacoma" or "Inertia Creeps" belong in this list. If there's a link with HW (something to do with Clive Deamer?), that's cool in my book. I always thought the guitar crescendo on Mezzanine's title track sounds very HW-ish. >Toyah Wilcox Something to do with Fripp? >Atomic Kitten OK well here we move into the realms of the truly indefensible and I'm not even going to begin to guess... >Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here >Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here >Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) > -- Nick Medford From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 06:19:17 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: >>Massive Attack >I may be in a minority, but I'm amazed to see this band lumped in with >the other chart fodder here. "Mezzanine" is a phenomenal album IMHO, >and their others have their moments too. No, I'd agree with you here..... >>Toyah Wilcox >Something to do with Fripp? That's one route, but the other is via "Mr Dangerous Vision" Keith Hale - he was in her backing band at one point and, IIRC, wrote (at least) one of her hit singles. Dave From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 07:43:17 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:43:17 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/02 6:25:29 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK writes: > You are in the right area. My recollection is that Brock didn't turn up coz > his car broke down (official reason) or he didn't want to mime on a TV show > (alternative reason). > Calvert played guitar in a mimed performance on the Marc show (it was Marc > Bolan's show). For this performance he also had a stuffed bird attached to > his wrist Quite unreal!! > That is cool to watch on video - and I remmeber the first time I saw it (a year or so ago) I was as curious as hell to know why Dave wasn't there From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 08:50:16 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:50:16 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/02 2:01:35 AM, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: << also recall (thinking now of weird Calvert fill-ins) the TV show where Calvert played guitar when Dave decided not to do an appearance..(Mark Bolan, whatever it were) >> ======= This one questions whether the band was performing live on that TV show..... "<>" From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 29 09:04:31 2002 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:04:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: Hi! According to Adrian Shaw, the song was pre-recorded at the studio ( with Adrian playing guitar, as Dave didn?t show up ) and HW mimed it for the TV show. Juba ><< >also recall (thinking now of weird Calvert fill-ins) the TV show where >Calvert played guitar when Dave decided not to do an appearance..(Mark >Bolan, whatever it were) > >> >======= >This one questions whether the band was performing live on that TV >show..... > > >"<>" _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 29 09:27:10 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:27:10 GMT Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board In-Reply-To: Nick Lee's message of Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:16:52 -0000 Message-ID: Nick Lee writes: > Where I was coming from with this was that : > I'd love to see HW at Glastonbury > I'd love to see them on one of the big stages, I've been too cramped in the > Avalon stage watching bands I love too often That Avalon stage is terrible because there's always at least 3 competing sources of sound in that field. The Main Stage is crap because the field is just too damn big. I'd like to see Hawkwind late at night in one of the cafe tents in the Green Field or the Green Futures area. The Blue Moon Cafe would be perfect. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 29 09:29:48 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:29:48 GMT Subject: HW: The Links Factor In-Reply-To: mark von bargen's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: mark von bargen writes: > > This takes the links game in a completely different direction and the = > results can be quite worrying. It just goes to show that you can = > probably link Hawkwind to most 'musical artists' (the quotes ARE ironic) = > without too much hassle. Further warnings are that non UK based readers = > may not recognise some of these 'artists' but UK based readers may = > recoil in horror when they see some of the names. > > Definite links exist to: > > Culture Club > Massive Attack > Toyah Wilcox > Atomic Kitten What's the link to Atomic Kitten? As a xmas present to my nieces they got tickets to see them. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 29 09:31:02 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:31:02 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc In-Reply-To: Juba N's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:04:31 +0000 Message-ID: Juba N writes: > Hi! > > According to Adrian Shaw, the song was pre-recorded at the studio ( with > Adrian playing guitar, as Dave didn?t show up ) and HW mimed it for the TV > show. If you listen to it, it's just the single that was played on the show. FoFP From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 11:21:40 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:21:40 -0500 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Sorry, Didn't intend to include Massive Attack as 'chart fodder'. I agree that they are most worthy and fantatsic to boot. It was just that I thought of them at about the same time and included them in the same note. The descriptor was unintentional and is hereby 'taken away from' Massive Attack with immediate effect. Mark On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:03:09 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >Warning, If you continue onwards to read the contents of this email it may damage your mental health and permanently disable your emotional stability. > >This takes the links game in a completely different direction and the results can be quite worrying. It just goes to show that you can probably link Hawkwind to most 'musical artists' (the quotes ARE ironic) without too much hassle. Further warnings are that non UK based readers may not recognise some of these 'artists' but UK based readers may recoil in horror when they see some of the names. > >Definite links exist to: > >Culture Club >Massive Attack >Toyah Wilcox >Atomic Kitten >Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here >Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here >Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) > >Warning, these are just as valid as links to Led Zep, Mountain et al. Be afraid, be very afraid. > >By the way, neither Moorcock or Calvert ever played bass in Hawkwind. Moorcock did play banjo somewhere and Calvert did play the trumpet somewhere. > >See you soon, > >Mark From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 29 11:47:40 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:47:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <200112101709.MAA20728@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 12:09:11PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 12:09:11PM -0500, Nick Medford typed out: > Back on Porcupine Tree- I see there are all sorts of PT obscurities/out- > takes/limited editions being re-released. I've cooled on PT, so I find it > hard to get too excited about this, but one that did catch my eye was > "Staircase Infinities", recorded around the same time as "Up the > Downstair"- easily their best album IMHO. I'm confident some folks here > have that one - is it in a similar style to UtD or is it more in the later > poppy mode? _Up The Downstair_ (I didn't see anyone else answer this in full, as it were) is what used to be an annoyingly rare 5-track EP. It contains three songs that were excerpted from the planned _Up The Downstair_ double album which would have included these and `Voyage 34 (remodelled)', otherwise known as a remix of Phase 1. Then there are two tracks which were in the running for the album originally but weren't finished in time. It's a nice little package per se, liner is photos of scribbled notes by SW on how the album might come together and session sheet. Actual tracks are, off the top of my head: Cloud Zero (intro noise taken from `Wastecoat' on YHD, instrumental with the general feel of `Always Never' but less varied, main riff later to become the root of `The Sound of No-One Listening') ? (a song with Alan Duffy lyrics, much akin to `Small Fish', nothing special) Rainy Taxi (long slow instrumental atmospherics with a few sampled treated vocals, most like the breakdown in `Burning Sky' with more progression) Navigator (wandering track with Muslimgauze-like things-banging-on-things noises for percussion (not as exciting as that sounds), or somewhat like `Waiting Phase 2') Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape (as on YHD without the MC vocal, slightly cleaner) My general feeling is that `YHD' is rather good, the rest nothing special, and the session sheets and notes make clear that there was more that could have gone on here so it isn't even the completion of UTD, but even with that rather faint praise I still wouldn't care to part with it. > Incidentally, why does everyone cite "Stupid Dream" as the album where the > major shift of style occurred? 'Cos to me, "Signify" is the one where > everything changed. Yes, these changes become crystallised on the > subsequent albums, but "Sky Moves Sideways" to "Signify" is more of a > departure than "Signify" to "Stupid Dream", surely? I've thought about this and I don't agree. I think _Signify_ has a couple of tracks one entirely doesn't recognise from PT-gone-before (`Signify' itself and `Sever') and `Intermediate Jesus' shows there's a new kind of thing going on in the creative process, as does `Prayer', but the rest is all parallelled on UTD. SMS on the other hand was originally going to be one track, the title, and it's clearly designed to be reminiscent of Floyd's _Wish You Were Here_; then there's twenty minutes of edited jam on it too, so all three of the big pieces are unrepresentative of normal PT for a reason (I think of `SMS' as a prog take on the musical idea of V34), but the short ones fit right in. I think therefore that SMS is the weird one of the Delerium albums. The reason _Stupid Dream_ is seen as such a shift by the old fans is that we waited so bloody long for it, or at least I think that's one factor. But the overall intent is so clearly different, the slick production, the pop songs; the long prog pieces have precursors in a kind of dumbed-down `SMS' however, and I think what _Stupid Dream_ was in that sense was a step back onto the older weird one slanted for the pop market. I also, as is well recorded, think that didn't work half as well at doing both as does _Lightbulb Sun_ but I realise not everyone agrees with me here and I can see why. That's the way I see it (Barry) anyway. Yours, Jon ObCD: none, because I'm in a lab and have no headphones, but if I was at home it would be Spiritual Beggars's _Mantra III_) -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 29 11:58:42 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:58:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: <200112102138.QAA21621@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 04:38:58PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 04:38:58PM -0500, Doug Pearson typed out: > My bandmates were going to see the Live 105 (local commercial alternarock > station) "Not So Silent Night" package show (7 bands, last year's was > headlined by Green Day) at the San Jose hockey arena, so I figured I'd go > along to check out the scene, even though I wasn't really familiar with any > of the acts. See what the kids are listening to these days, especially > since I never went to one of these kinds of shows (new popular acts, that > is) when I was that age (the shows I went to in High School were all > classic rock bands who had at least 8 or 10 albums to their credit - I'm > pretty sure all these bands have only one, or at most, two, albums out - > and the alternarock shows I attended in college and later were all in > auditoriums/theaters, not 12000-seat arenas). > Alien Ant Farm - the first of many rap/metal-damaged acts of the night. I > thought that stuff was going to be replaced by bubblegummy stuff like Blink > 182 or Smashmouth, but it's still going strong! Does anyone outside the > USA listen to this stuff (surely not in the UK)? Boring, singer's "dorky" > affectations between songs weren't amusing. The UK caught them because of the Michael Jackson cover (which I think is good on video but a lousy version if you can't see them taking the piss, I used not to think Michael Jackson was anything special but when I compare his actual *songs* to the dross that makes radio play now I realise I could have suffered worse growing up in his airplay era) and now they're Kerrang! darlings. One of my friends considers them the musical Antichrist as despite being an indie band to anyone who remembers Britpop from a few years back they get filed under metal, and said friend then has to deal with people who say they're into metal and mean they like AAF; he prefers Slayer so the gap is substantial... but anyway with a bit of luck they'll be gone like the boyband they are very soon. > Sum 41 - Canadian commercial punk rockers sorta like that other band with a > one-syllable-word and a number for their name. Redeemed (IMO) by their > sense of humor, dropping in Iron Maiden licks for one of their outros, and > the singer being a geniune snotty Canadian. Not bad, but no No Means No, > that's for sure! Different guy I know thinks this lot are the business. He's a massive Green Day fan and says they're like Green Day would be with two guitars. He contrasts them to Blink 182 in a way somewhat akin to the Darwin awards versus MTV Jackass; the former are clever people talking about stupid things, the latter stupid people doing the same thing... > System of a Down - these guys have one song that's being played to death on > commercial radio right now (the one with the line about "I cry when angels > deserve to die" or something), and were at least fairly interesting, with a > lot of weird changes and low-key subsections in their (you guessed it!) > rap/metal-type songs. Probably a band that people into "neo-prog" (i.e. > longer songs, lots of dynamics/time signature/key signature changes) along > the lines of Tool would like. They've been around a little bit now, on the edges of my radar at least, one of the first nu-metal bands and probably the most interesting (which still doesn't interest me at all, but hey). They must be faintly annoyed to have been overtaken by Limp Park 182 et al. > Linkin Park - every other band of the night had a four piece > guitar/bass/drums/singer lineup (a couple of the singers played second > guitar), but these guys added a rapper (in addition to the singer) and a > DJ, who's actually the main reason I'm posting this message here. Mostly, > the DJ seemed to play "backing tracks" (keyboards & percussion) for the > band to play along with (pretty lame IMO), but occasionally, he'd spin > records with synth effects on them. And damned if some if his between-song > synth sounds didn't sound frighteningly like the parts between songs > on 'Space Ritual' (only with less delay)!!! Obviously, that was the best > part of the band. So don't be surprised if you play Hawkwind for a High > School kid, and he asks, "whoa dude, who's their DJ?". They're supposed to be really really good, to judge by the big magazines. Again, like AAF getting filed under metal despite being pop by any other name except that which includes the anodyne effected new swing crap we get on FM these days. Sadly I think we have more to endure of this stuff. Whether it is marginalising metal I couldn't tell you, I don't see that metal has much to fear considering the state it's been in for the last ten years or so, and in any case what I (and you) listen to is more marginalised still, not under any unusual threat from all this, and no-one cares about it in the world where the above bands matter anyway, so I can't really get too agitated about it. But yes, they exist elsewhere and are the current commercial alternative it seems. Hmph. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 12:08:15 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:08:15 EST Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 Message-ID: In a message dated 30/01/02 3:29:36 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > > Sadly I think we have more to endure of this stuff. Whether it is > marginalising metal I couldn't tell you, I don't see that metal has much > to fear considering the state it's been in for the last ten years or so, > and in any case what I (and you) listen to is more marginalised still, not > under any unusual threat from all this, and no-one cares about it in the > world where the above bands matter anyway, so I can't really get too > agitated about it. But yes, they exist elsewhere and are the current > commercial alternative it seems. Hmph. Yours, > Since you all have your Hawkwind collections filled and catalogged etc I would recommend beginning your ALIEN DREAM collection right away - but then I WOULD recommend that :-) Easy as well - since there are only 2 in the AD catalogue - http://www.aliendream.net for ~free~ downloads - yes ~free~ downloads you can get to the Tepee from there as well .... enjoy .... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 29 12:14:55 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:14:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <200112111850.NAA14979@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:32:36PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:32:36PM -0500, K Henderson typed out: > > >All the pre-major label MM is quite good. > >Their first s/t release is more garage/heavy psych. 6 smokin tracks. > > I think this was an LP release only, and that at least some of these tracks > appeared on CD later (like Spine of God maybe), perhaps rerecorded? Not > sure. Doug will tell us anyway. I have a CD of it, and I'm pretty sure the tracks are the LP ones, though some of them do appear re-recorded elsewhere, on _25... Tab_ or _Spine of God_. Only two otherwise unfindable things but both quite good. Rough as hell mind, but hey. > >My fav is this and Spine of God, a release that shows them starting to become > >mainstream, but quite good. closer to the "stoner rock" thing. Also as `doom' as they get, on the titel track. Point with this one, the mastering to CD was awful, so although it's not exactly hi-fi however you find it the vinyl sounds much fuller. > >TAB seams to be a big fav of HW fans, there's a super long track, that's > >heavy and spacey... > > This one came out on CD a couple times I believe, and usually (I think) > includes the two tracks from a 7" single (Murder b/w another song with a > one-word title that I can't remember at the moment). And these are not > credited on the CD booklet/insert, so there's confusion there, compounded by > the fact that track two is both "25" and "Longhair" (that starts about 8 > minutes in FWIR). So there's four tracks listed, five tracks indexed, but > yet six tracks on the actual CD. Again, the title track "Tab" is over a > half-hour long, so it's a full length release for sure. My version isn't quite like that. There's the 32-minute monster `Tab... ', then there's `25' which is two tracks as you describe, then `Longhair', quite separate, indexing and everything, then `Lord 13' which is in fact `Murder' from the S/T and single. Then `Tractor' which isn't listed but is definitely there. So the same numbers as you give but not the same divisions. Top stuff throughout though. > I think perhaps the most necessary MM thing is 'Viva Las Vegas'. What little live MM I have seems the same as the studio stuff only rawer. But all the live MM there is is either B-sides or bonus disks, _Viva Las Vegas_ being the second as the Australian issue of _Dopes To Infinity_ also had a bonus live disc. As with _Powertrip_, this was offered for sale where I saw it about a month after I'd bought the domestic version with fanboy fervopur and I got quite sour about it. > Grakkl (FAA), who saw them just once when they opened for an absolutely > miserable group called Korn. I didn't make it through ten minutes of them, > and even though MM only played 45 minutes, I'm glad it wasn't the other way > around! What Doug saw last week doesn't sound so bad now, remembering these > butchers! File Korn exactly with what Doug saw last week, they're the first nu-metal band that really made it over here, and are filed by the true metal farternity in the same bucket as Limp Bizkit but with slightly more respect as people seem to reckon their first album actually plumbed original depths of hatred and self-loathing. Important qualities for the youth apparently. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 29 12:25:13 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:25:13 +0000 Subject: Monster Magnet reviews in A-I In-Reply-To: <3C178DB5.ED8B79C4@execpc.com>; from kkusic@EXECPC.COM on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:02:45AM -0600 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:02:45AM -0600, Karen Kusic typed out: > > My vote is thumbs up for "Viva Las Vegas" too. > > from the review: > "Dave gives a monologue about the > CD being recorded in Las Vegas and that they have been playing the same > numbers for the last 6 months and how would > the audience like to hear some "Space Rock"! Now the CD really gets > going... you can hear the Hawkwind era 1972 > space sounds in the background and the band blast into Dinosaur Vacuum." > > Highly recommended. I'd be more impressed with that if as far as I can tell he didn't _always_ introduce `Dinosaur Vacume' like that. Though to be fair they didn't play it for most of the Powertrip tour so it may have been fresh to play it then. But he does do this, "you're a special audience, let's play something special" thing every damn gig. Not that I'd know (or complain) were it not for the Internet of course :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Jan 29 13:29:13 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:29:13 +0100 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Dave Bottomley wrote: > >>Toyah Wilcox > >Something to do with Fripp? > > That's one route, but the other is via "Mr Dangerous Vision" Keith Hale - he > was in her backing band at one point and, IIRC, wrote (at least) one of her > hit singles. "It?s a mystery", 1981. Andreas From joe.e at TELIA.COM Tue Jan 29 13:35:36 2002 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:35:36 +0100 Subject: off - something for the ultra adventerous - off Message-ID: At 11:04 2002-01-28 EST, you wrote: >http://www.hawkwind.co.za/ > >if you dare to live on the edge I bet their favorite tune during airtime is "Levitation". .joe From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 14:05:21 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:05:21 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > > This takes the links game in a completely different direction and the = > > results can be quite worrying. It just goes to show that you can = > > probably link Hawkwind to most 'musical artists' (the quotes ARE ironic) = > > without too much hassle. Further warnings are that non UK based readers = > > may not recognise some of these 'artists' but UK based readers may = > > recoil in horror when they see some of the names. > > > > Definite links exist to: > > > > Culture Club > > Massive Attack > > Toyah Wilcox > > Atomic Kitten > > What's the link to Atomic Kitten? As a xmas present to my nieces they > got tickets to see them. Have a stab here, it's *something* to do either with OMD (didn't Andy from OMD put Atomic Kitten together?) or from Dalek I via OMD..but damned if I know what??? Something like Atomic Kitten managed by Andy from OMD who was for a short time in Dalek I Love You, whilst Hawkwind were once (wrongly) rumoured to be doing the soundtrack for a Doctor Who story (Battlefield). Phew... Ian From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 14:06:51 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:06:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > Juba N writes: > > > Hi! > > > > According to Adrian Shaw, the song was pre-recorded at the studio ( with > > Adrian playing guitar, as Dave didn?t show up ) and HW mimed it for the TV > > show. > > If you listen to it, it's just the single that was played on the show. Is the single a different cut than the version on the Quark album..because the Marc show appearance isn't that track? Ian From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 29 14:08:09 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:08:09 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: > Do you want to see Hawkwind, or the Hawkestra. Or, do you want to see Kiss > playing with Peter Criss and the Space Ace? This is 2002. Remember? We > move on. THIS IS NOT 1972 - DO NOT PANIC! > Oooh crikey! Calm down there! Firstly, I wouldn't see Kiss for any amount of money whoever was in the band. > In case anyone hasn't got my drift yet, Hawkwind is Hawkwind NOW. Not > Hawkwind twenty years ago. If you're hankering back to your teenage years, > go home and listen to Sonic Attack. (Fantastic Album, but it's not Hawkwind > NOW.) My point was that HW at Glasto should be something special. For me the Hawkestra gig was something special. Not because I was reliving my youth (I was only 2 when Space Ritual came out, didn't get into HW until around '85-'86). But seeing Lemmy, Nik etc with Dave and the current guys was a real blast. I'd seen Lemmy with the band for a couple of encores and that'd been cool, but the atmosphere, above all else, at Brixton was magic. Yeah, it was a rough gig, and being honest Lemmy ended up needing Ali bailing him out on bass. But it was great fun. Great to do once or twice every few years. For regular touring give the current line-up, or similar. I didn't go to 13 HW gigs last year to complain about the lack of Lemmy. I went 'cos I was having a whale of time at each and every one of them. Of course from time to time one thinks wouldn't it be nice if xxxx was on stage with them (insert name of Harvey, Nik, Ron, Jerry, Jez, Tim, Keith or whovever it is you'd like) but the basic line-up we have now is playing a blinder on a regular basis. That doesn't mean that pulling the stops out for a particularly special occasion and getting loads of guest stars in is a bad thing. 'nuff said? Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 29 14:09:32 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:09:32 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: > That Avalon stage is terrible because there's always at least 3 > competing sources of sound in that field. > > The Main Stage is crap because the field is just too damn big. > > I'd like to see Hawkwind late at night in one of the cafe tents in the > Green Field or the Green Futures area. The Blue Moon Cafe would be > perfect. I'd like to see them round the corner at my local but that won't happen either. Think of the crowds. Having said that, Nik's gig in'94 in the Rainbow Dragon tent was a blinder... Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 29 14:13:57 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:13:57 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: > That Avalon stage is terrible because there's always at least 3 > competing sources of sound in that field. > > The Main Stage is crap because the field is just too damn big. > > I'd like to see Hawkwind late at night in one of the cafe tents in the > Green Field or the Green Futures area. The Blue Moon Cafe would be > perfect. > More seriously, practically speaking the Jazz World stage would be of a better size - not too big a field, but a large stage. Sod that it s the Jazz stage, many of the acts there are neither Jazz nor 'World' ('out of this world stage' maybe). Its a nice size compared to the others and has pretty good sound. Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 29 13:36:14 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:36:14 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OFF:_KISS_[No_B=D6C/HW]?= In-Reply-To: <001301c1a8f8$4b11fb70$6b1a0150@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 2002, at 19:08, Nick Lee wrote: > Firstly, I wouldn't see Kiss for any amount of money whoever was in > the band. > Guess it would depend upon how much they were willing to pay me... Any KISS fans out there read the Guitar World except from Gene's 'book?' Glad your hard earned geldt went to such a class act! theo From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 14:56:07 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:56:07 -0000 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark von bargen" To: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Re: HW: The Links Factor > Dave, > > You are correct; I was thinking of the Keith Hale route. My memory is that > he co-wrote at least two of the singles. > > Robert Fripp is an alternative route, though. > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Bottomley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > > > > >>Massive Attack > > >I may be in a minority, but I'm amazed to see this band lumped in with > > >the other chart fodder here. "Mezzanine" is a phenomenal album IMHO, > > >and their others have their moments too. > > > > No, I'd agree with you here..... > > > > >>Toyah Wilcox > > >Something to do with Fripp? > > > > That's one route, but the other is via "Mr Dangerous Vision" Keith Hale - > he > > was in her backing band at one point and, IIRC, wrote (at least) one of > her > > hit singles. > > > > Dave > > > From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 15:03:38 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:03:38 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Nick, Yeah, Culture Club through Jon Moss is correct 'tho that link has a more current life. Massive Attack - Clive Deamer was not the one that I was thinking about. Think along the lines of the more current Jon Moss link. Yes the rest probably are indefensible but they show just how corrupted this game can be and a couple of the links are 'interesting' and open up many more links. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > In message <000e01c1a893$7aab7380$6f23fea9 at oemcomputer>, mark > von bargen writes > > > >Definite links exist to: > > > >Culture Club > > Yes, Jon Moss drumming at Nik's recent shindig... > > >Massive Attack > > I may be in a minority, but I'm amazed to see this band lumped in with > the other chart fodder here. "Mezzanine" is a phenomenal album IMHO, > and their others have their moments too. You can't honestly tell me that a > band who write heavy-duty dub-stoner material like "Karmacoma" or > "Inertia Creeps" belong in this list. If there's a link with HW (something > to do with Clive Deamer?), that's cool in my book. I always thought the > guitar crescendo on Mezzanine's title track sounds very HW-ish. > > >Toyah Wilcox > > Something to do with Fripp? > > >Atomic Kitten > > OK well here we move into the realms of the truly indefensible and I'm > not even going to begin to guess... > > >Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here > >Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here > >Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) > > > -- > Nick Medford > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 15:34:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:34:51 EST Subject: farewell Message-ID: Im offf to brighter horizons see you on the next one - don't be late So-long From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 29 15:36:57 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:36:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: JJ, On 25...tab... >> This one came out on CD a couple times I believe, and usually (I think) >> includes the two tracks from a 7" single (Murder b/w Tractor). And these >> are not credited on the CD booklet/insert, so there's confusion there, >> compounded by the fact that track two is both "25" and "Longhair" (that >> starts about 8 minutes in FWIR). So there's four tracks listed, five >> tracks indexed, but yet six tracks on the actual CD. Again, the title >> track "Tab" is over a half-hour long, so it's a full length release for >> sure. > > My version isn't quite like that. There's the 32-minute monster >`Tab... ', then there's `25' which is two tracks as you describe, Yep, the "second" track there is "Longhair" I believe. >then `Longhair', quite separate, indexing and everything, This is "Lord 13" then, not "Longhair." >then `Lord 13' which is in fact `Murder' from the S/T and single. Yep. >Then `Tractor' which isn't listed but is definitely there. Yep. >So the same numbers as you give but not >the same divisions. Top stuff throughout though. No, I think your CD is exactly like mine, but you didn't make the 'shift one title up' connection with the two-indexed-as-one deal. Grakkl (FAA) From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 16:04:39 2002 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:04:39 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:42:33 -0000 From: Richard Lockwood Subject: Re: HW:Glastonbury Festival Chat Message Board Oh, hell's teeth... Do you want to see Hawkwind, or the Hawkestra. Or, do you want to see Kiss playing with Peter Criss and the Space Ace? This is 2002. Remember? We move on. THIS IS NOT 1972 - DO NOT PANIC! I know, they could be supported by Girlschool with Kelly still playing maybe? Maybe I'll reform Whorelix! Booker T and The MG's could support! Yeah - maybe they could dig up Booker T!!! How about a Led Zep reformation, with Jason Bonham on Drums? The Beatles with Dharni and Julian? Or maybe you'd like to see Richie Blackmore come and f*** up another Deep Purple reunion? In case anyone hasn't got my drift yet, Hawkwind is Hawkwind NOW. Not Hawkwind twenty years ago. If you're hankering back to your teenage years, go home and listen to Sonic Attack. (Fantastic Album, but it's not Hawkwind NOW.) Hawkwind have always done things differently from other bands. I (for one) want to see them carrying on doing things differently. And new. Who here almost castrated themselves whenthey heard "It Is The Business..."? Hawkwind do (urgh) Techno? No way. It's hardly Hurry On Sundown, is it? Grow up. (I've got an Alien Planetscapes album from six years ago - that might make your day.) I don't mean to get at you in particular, but you get my point. I agree that Lemmy would sell a load more tickets - but see my DP point above. Cheers, Rich. ----------------------------- I don't follow your argument! For me, the last hour of Hawkestra with Lemmy was when the gig really took off & blew the place away. Most of the bands you mention didn't have a changing lineup anyway (Beatles / Led Zep?) & I don't think Deep Purple are in HW's league! 'Hurry On Sundown' isn't Hawkwind NOW, it's the first track they put out.... You say you want to see them doing things differently, yet.....contradict. Members of the current lineup were in HW before Lemmy joined. What I'm saying is - yes, in 30 years of a band with as many musicians, we've all got our likes/dislikes......but personally I think the current lineup with Lemmy at Glastonbury would be amazing. R From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 16:33:17 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:33:17 -0000 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark von bargen" To: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: HW: The Links Factor > Nick, > > Yeah, Culture Club through Jon Moss is correct 'tho that link has a more > current life. > > Massive Attack - Clive Deamer was not the one that I was thinking about. > Think along the lines of the more current Jon Moss link. > > Yes the rest probably are indefensible but they show just how corrupted this > game can be and a couple of the links are 'interesting' and open up many > more links. > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > > > > In message <000e01c1a893$7aab7380$6f23fea9 at oemcomputer>, mark > > von bargen writes > > > > > >Definite links exist to: > > > > > >Culture Club > > > > Yes, Jon Moss drumming at Nik's recent shindig... > > > > >Massive Attack > > > > I may be in a minority, but I'm amazed to see this band lumped in with > > the other chart fodder here. "Mezzanine" is a phenomenal album IMHO, > > and their others have their moments too. You can't honestly tell me that a > > band who write heavy-duty dub-stoner material like "Karmacoma" or > > "Inertia Creeps" belong in this list. If there's a link with HW (something > > to do with Clive Deamer?), that's cool in my book. I always thought the > > guitar crescendo on Mezzanine's title track sounds very HW-ish. > > > > >Toyah Wilcox > > > > Something to do with Fripp? > > > > >Atomic Kitten > > > > OK well here we move into the realms of the truly indefensible and I'm > > not even going to begin to guess... > > > > >Westlife - it gets a bit tenuous here > > >Boyzone - it gets even more tenuous here > > >Robbie Williams (and, therefore, Take That) > > > > > -- > > Nick Medford > > > From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 16:43:05 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:43:05 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: See below: ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN ABRAHAMS" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > This takes the links game in a completely different direction [snip] > > What's the link to Atomic Kitten? As a xmas present to my nieces they > got tickets to see them. > > Have a stab here, it's *something* to do either with OMD (didn't Andy from > OMD put Atomic Kitten together?) or from Dalek I via OMD..but damned if I > know what??? The link direct from OMD to Atomic Kitten is correct. To complete the link back to Hawkwind you need to think 'producer' of many 80's bands. > Something like Atomic Kitten managed by Andy from OMD who was for a short > time in Dalek I Love You, whilst Hawkwind were once (wrongly) rumoured to be > doing the soundtrack for a Doctor Who story (Battlefield). > > Phew... > > Ian > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 29 18:08:41 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:08:41 -0600 Subject: farewell -SUICIDE IS NOT APPROVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DEAR LIST HE IS TALKING ABOUT "THAT" ( I DO THIS NOT TO BE UNKIND) (AND THIS DAMN COMPUTER HAS A LOCKUP PROB., OTHERWISE THIS POST WOULD HAVE BEEN SOONER) MICHAEL NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO O NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I DON'T HAVE THAT EASY OPTION EVEN IF I HAD THE GUTS WHICH I DON'T BUT IF YOU REALLY MADE THAT MISTAKE.....YOU WILL CRIPPLE ME.....AND I WILL ASK EVERYONE TO BLAME YOU ON THIS EXCUSE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A VERY REAL ONE AND NOT EVEN AN EXCUSE.... DON'T DITHER YOU DARE YOUR FRIEND MIKE C From Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 16:59:08 2002 From: Jazzy at JAZZMEISTER.DEMON.CO.UK (Justin Hood) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: The producer of some of OMD songs was Mike Howlett the bass player with gong, now there a link also with Berlin (Take My Breath Away), Blanchmange !!, Joan Armatrading & Martha and the Muffins (Echo Beach) What about the Charlatans, maybe its a bit too easy ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark von bargen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > See below: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "IAN ABRAHAMS" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > This takes the links game in a completely different direction [snip] > > > > What's the link to Atomic Kitten? As a xmas present to my nieces they > > got tickets to see them. > > > > Have a stab here, it's *something* to do either with OMD (didn't Andy from > > OMD put Atomic Kitten together?) or from Dalek I via OMD..but damned if I > > know what??? > > The link direct from OMD to Atomic Kitten is correct. To complete the link > back to Hawkwind you need to think 'producer' > of many 80's bands. > > > Something like Atomic Kitten managed by Andy from OMD who was for a short > > time in Dalek I Love You, whilst Hawkwind were once (wrongly) rumoured to > be > > doing the soundtrack for a Doctor Who story (Battlefield). > > > > Phew... > > > > Ian > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jan 29 17:22:33 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:22:33 -0500 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0000, Justin Hood wrote: >The producer of some of OMD songs was Mike Howlett the bass player with >gong, Darn! You beat me to it! But I think Howlett's closest link to HW is that he played bass on Nik's 'Xitintoday' (and the "Nuclear Waste" single, also w/Nik). >now there a link also with Berlin (Take My Breath Away), Blanchmange >!!, Joan Armatrading & Martha and the Muffins (Echo Beach) ... and also the Thompson Twins (first and/or second album, when they were still a "big" 6/7?-piece band, well before they were an awful synthpop trio). >What about the Charlatans, maybe its a bit too easy Let's see ... Mike Wilhelm of the Charlatans played in the Flamin' Groovies with Chris Wilson, who was later in the Barracudas. The Barracudas' original drummer was Nick Turner! (Oh, you mean THOSE Charlatans [known as "Charlatans UK" here in the states, which is about all I know about them ... the American Charlatans, who I DO know about, were a 60's Bay Area pre-psychedelic band whose membership also included Dan Hicks] ... and THAT Nik Turner ... oops! Actually, wasn't Nick/Nicky Turner the drummer for Lords of the New Church, which would tie into the Damned & Tanz Der Youth [w/Al Powell] via Brian James?). It's a sick game ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 29 17:24:04 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:24:04 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Yeah, Mike Howlett is da man. The links he provides are endless and would probably take you most places in 80's and 90's electro pop etc.... Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Hood" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > The producer of some of OMD songs was Mike Howlett the bass player with > gong, now there a link also with Berlin (Take My Breath Away), Blanchmange > !!, Joan Armatrading & Martha and the Muffins (Echo Beach) > > What about the Charlatans, maybe its a bit too easy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark von bargen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > > > > See below: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "IAN ABRAHAMS" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > This takes the links game in a completely different direction [snip] > > > > > > What's the link to Atomic Kitten? As a xmas present to my nieces they > > > got tickets to see them. > > > > > > Have a stab here, it's *something* to do either with OMD (didn't Andy > from > > > OMD put Atomic Kitten together?) or from Dalek I via OMD..but damned if > I > > > know what??? > > > > The link direct from OMD to Atomic Kitten is correct. To complete the link > > back to Hawkwind you need to think 'producer' > > of many 80's bands. > > > > > Something like Atomic Kitten managed by Andy from OMD who was for a > short > > > time in Dalek I Love You, whilst Hawkwind were once (wrongly) rumoured > to > > be > > > doing the soundtrack for a Doctor Who story (Battlefield). > > > > > > Phew... > > > > > > Ian > > > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Jan 29 18:28:27 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:28:27 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OFF:_KISS_[No_B=D6C/HW]?= Message-ID: Saw kiss in the mid '70s,but only because the opening act was Uriah Heep, a band i still enjoy listening to...(please don't shoot me) tim Ted Jackson wrote: > > On 29 Jan 2002, at 19:08, Nick Lee wrote: > > > Firstly, I wouldn't see Kiss for any amount of money whoever was in > > the band. > > > Guess it would depend upon how much they were willing to pay > me... > > Any KISS fans out there read the Guitar World except from Gene's > 'book?' Glad your hard earned geldt went to such a class act! > > theo From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Jan 29 18:30:58 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:30:58 -0500 Subject: farewell Message-ID: excuse me...you can't leave the table 'til you eat all your veggies... tim Michael W Blackman wrote: > > Im offf to brighter horizons > > see you on the next one - don't be late > > So-long From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 18:51:40 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:51:40 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OFF:=20KISS=20[No=20B=D6C/HW]?= Message-ID: kiss was my generation's introduction to rock and roll, and for that reason they hold a special place in the hearts of many adult rock fans who have grown to know better... and i will defend their 'rock and roll over' lp as a GREAT ass-kicking 70's guitar rock album bobm From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jan 29 19:01:59 2002 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:01:59 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OFF:=20KISS=20[No=20B=D6C/HW]?= Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/02 6:30:12 PM, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: << Saw kiss in the mid '70s >> ======== ...This one's friend "Izzy" told me often about, in late '73 or early '74, seeing Kiss open for...wait for it... Poco. guess that woulda been around the 1st LP? ...And how did you get those umlauts? "<>" From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 29 20:33:39 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:33:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: KISS [No =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C=2FHW?= ] In-Reply-To: <117.bafefbb.29888f8c@aol.com> Message-ID: >kiss was my generation's introduction to rock and roll, and for that reason >they hold a special place in the hearts of many adult rock fans who have >grown to know better... > >and i will defend their 'rock and roll over' lp as a GREAT ass-kicking 70's >guitar rock album > >bobm EARLY STUFF NOT TOO BAD STUPID BAND POLITICS AND NOT ENOUGH SWEET LEAF WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THEM (and too much sex documentation, IMHO, of course Gene K is very amusing to listen to in real life) I LOVE THAT ALBUM.....HAVEN'T REHEARD THAT ONE IN EONS THE 96 TOUR WAS "A BLAST" WITH BINOUCULARS AT CLOSE RANGE AND ON TOP OF THE BOMBS..... THE LATER AMPITHEATRE ONE I SAW WAS UNFORGETTABLE....AS I THINK MY NIK TURNER SHIRT WAS CONFUSING THEM AND MY FRIEND AND I MADE SUCH A PARTY OUT OF IT (cheering ACE due to alcholic and smokaholic pleasure and insulting the rest loudly) THAT WE GOT THEY'RE ATTENTION-SPOTLIGHT-Comment THE LIGHTNING SPECTACLE THAT CAME UP FOR ACE AND HIS SOLO STUFF INCLUDING "SHOCK ME" WAS SOMETHING THE AUDIENCE WAS CLAPPING AND CHEERING TO IN AND OF ITSELF AND ACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SO PROUD AND DAMN I HOPE THEY GOT THAT NIGHT ON VIDEO....I wonder if he EVER looked that good.....doubt it (it was that TRIPPY WIPPY super spider-webby HEAT lightning) I WANT YOU MR SPEED GO BABY DRIVER sorry for the yell mc From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 29 21:10:34 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:10:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: KISS [No =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C=2FHW?= ]-leaky faucet valve trickle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: contrary to a picture I might have painted- anybody who has moved beyond self-medication, etc....SUPER DUPER MIGHTY FINE...or "stayed clean"..great....wonderful...just please don't put that in your sermon if you want to be a rock god or goddess,,,,lie! BUT didn't Gene claim to have NEVER been drunk EVER?? (to me, echoes of "the Nuge", which is a personal turn-off in the extra-curriculars of rock dept.) and ALL THAT BANTER about how AWFUL Ace and Peter were on videos they released, etc...and then when they were needed it all just kind of got pushed aside....(getting nauseous at the thought of some of that Kiss stuff that invaded my late night MTV gazing like "tears are falling" PUKE!) I bailed at 13 after the solos came out and it started seeming goofier and the costumes had too much cape for my taste I'm done- unless I am attacked m From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Tue Jan 29 20:24:06 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:24:06 +1100 Subject: farewell Message-ID: Eeez done it he has. Topped 'imself. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Pushin up the daisies. 'angin' about in the ash trays. Nah. Eeez resting he is. All shagged out after a long squark. Beautiful plumage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: farewell > Im offf to brighter horizons > > see you on the next one - don't be late > > So-long > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Jan 29 21:42:11 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:42:11 -0600 Subject: (OFF-ONWARD LIFE) farewell In-Reply-To: <006201c1a92c$d0601ee0$8e5d2dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: >Eeez done it he has. Topped 'imself. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Pushin >up the daisies. 'angin' about in the ash trays. > >Nah. Eeez resting he is. All shagged out after a long squark. Beautiful >plumage. Steve .....he's not well.....had bad news today......I need ONE MEAL...that is all I ask.....after that I will walk the miles,,,,,,maybe disguss getting Anna replaced by Michael, etc...(wait till he sees my life! that'll cheer him up) Michael is not Luna.....there is a danger in the future needing the business From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Tue Jan 29 20:42:01 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:42:01 +1100 Subject: farewell -SUICIDE IS NOT APPROVED Message-ID: Yeah. Dont do it when someone else could do it for you. If you are serious please dont kill yourself. Way to final. Much better to live and be pissed on again! Hang on that didn't sound right. If you end it the laughs you are going to have will never happen. The women you will like you will never meet. AND. There is no pleasant and dignified way to do it. Just dont do it. Everyone has something to live for. My life since my nearly dead episode is pathetic compared to what it was and so am I but I still prefer having hope. Suicide forfits hope and you should still have it. You are young and perhaps a quarter as smart, good looking, charming, witty and intelligent as me so that means you are very lucky in comparison to most people. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: farewell -SUICIDE IS NOT APPROVED > DEAR LIST > > HE IS TALKING ABOUT "THAT" ( I DO THIS NOT TO BE UNKIND) (AND THIS DAMN > COMPUTER HAS A LOCKUP PROB., OTHERWISE THIS POST WOULD HAVE BEEN SOONER) > > MICHAEL NO > > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO > O NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > NO NO NO NO > > > I DON'T HAVE THAT EASY OPTION > > EVEN IF I HAD THE GUTS WHICH I DON'T > > > BUT IF YOU REALLY MADE THAT MISTAKE.....YOU WILL CRIPPLE ME.....AND I WILL > ASK EVERYONE TO BLAME YOU ON THIS EXCUSE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A VERY REAL > ONE AND NOT EVEN AN EXCUSE.... > > > DON'T DITHER YOU DARE > > YOUR FRIEND > > MIKE C > From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Tue Jan 29 20:47:11 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:47:11 +1100 Subject: farewell Message-ID: ..and he will have bugger all hope of getting his pudding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: Re: farewell > excuse me...you can't leave the table 'til you eat all your veggies... > tim > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > > Im offf to brighter horizons > > > > see you on the next one - don't be late > > > > So-long > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 29 21:20:28 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:20:28 -0500 Subject: HW: QS&C single version, Bolan TV show, WAS Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: >> If you listen to it, it's just the single that was played on the show. > >Is the single a different cut than the version on the Quark album..because >the Marc show appearance isn't that track? > Going from memory (bad thing to do I know) the single version of QS&C was an edit of the album version with Dave's guitar solo between verses 2 & 3 cut to almost nothing. As I don't really have the time to dig out the vinyl and listen to it I'm hoping someone else will either confirm or deny this... Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 29 21:20:36 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:20:36 -0500 Subject: off - something for the ultra adventerous - off Message-ID: >>http://www.hawkwind.co.za/ >> >>if you dare to live on the edge > >I bet their favorite tune during airtime is "Levitation". ...or... Free Fall Hero With A Wing Kadu Flyer! Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 29 21:21:56 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:21:56 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_OFF=3A_More_on_Amon_D=FC=FCl_II?= Message-ID: Oh nuts, I can't help it, I have to add just a bit more to this very verbose thread...all previous quotes are from KeithH (>>) and DougP (>)... >> I thought I'd ask this question to whomever has the >> Repertoire CD reissue of Phallus Dei. >> >>The bonus tracks are... >>"Freak Out Requiem I" >>"Freak Out Requiem II" >>"Freak Out Requiem III" >>"Cymbals In The End" >> >>So how are these things? I gather the first three are rather >>non-structured? Is this all with Dave Anderson - I'm presuming? > those "Freak Out Requiem"s of length are very good, hot melodic jams. > Less "non-structured" than the weirder stuff on 'Yeti' or 'Dance of > the Lemmings', to be certain. Worth it to me, but I love 'Phallus Dei' > and 'Yeti'. Now I can't wait to hear these... >> Might some of this material be the source of certain snippets of >> music that I heard (but didn't recognize) on those Japanese >> retro-pastische things that I have (Kobe and Eternal Flashback)??? My copy of the PD reissue should be arriving soon and I'll hopefully be able to partially answer this when it does... >> Well, I've just gone back over my Kobe and E.F. [Eternal Flashback] >> discs, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stuff does appear >> somewhere in here. Kobe is pretty lame if you ask me...most of the >> stuff is sampled bits and pieces from Yeti and DotL I believe, mixed >> and remixed and spliced together with other noises (extracted bits of >> percussion from the background brought way up front or so it seems). I have Kobe Reconstructions and I really like it. I'm not sure exactly what all the source is, but on first listen I thought it sounded like old Amon Duul Mk I material spliced together and with someone playing occasional lead guitar lines over the top. I still think this is a decent description of what it sounds like, but subsequent listens showed that there are clearly bits of songs from various ADII albums being played at various points, sometimes they sound like the straight album versions, sometimes they sound like they might be alternate takes, or just the guitar part for example, so Keith's description is quite accurate even if his reaction to it is about 180 degrees different from mine. I think it all falls together very organically, so it sounds like a continuous piece of music, not at all like a collage (like The Faust Tapes). A 60+ minute heavy psychedelic tribal jam - hog heaven for me. >> And particularly annoying is the frequent use of a 'faux vinyl' >> click noise that's obviously added intentionally 'cause the click >> always sounds the same, and it repeats obviously slower than 33 1/3 >> rpm speed. I think what this is is a bit of percussion sampled from vinyl and then continuously looped - which is why its always the same and also why the 'frequency' is less than 33 1/3 (I never actually timed this!) >> the thing ends up with (about 90 seconds of) Master of the Universe >> straight off of ISoS. Heh, that bit always gives me a kick, though I would have guessed it came off Space Ritual Vol. II - I'd better go back and listen to it again. It takes a while to get to it though because: >> There are supposedly six tracks but it's all indexed as a single >> 66 minute piece. Makes it even harder to jump ahead to something >> not so grating. I find the single-track indexing annoying too (but not because I think the material is grating, though I can certainly see how many (probably most) listeners might think so). All in all, this is not the kind of thing that would be to everyone's taste, but as I said, I really like it. If Eternal Flashback is similar, I'd love to get my hands on a copy, but Andy Gilham's AD website says it was a Captain Trip promotional-style item, and I don't think I've ever seen it for sale. If anyone has a copy they don't want for sale or trade, please let me know...CDR if all else fails...thank you muchly. >> E.F. is way better. And in fact, this seems very much like a >> 'Dawn of Hawkwind' analog for AD2. Again, we've got 67 minutes >> of stuff all indexed as one track (no separate titles this time), >> and it again has a few moments taken directly from the albums >> (Cerberus is in there for sure, and maybe something from DotL >> Side 4?). I'm fairly certain that both Cerberus and parts of some of the synth pieces from DotL are present on Kobe, played over the heavy percussive background. >> But then there are some obvious pre-Phallus Dei demo recordings >> in here also. Including most obviously a slowed-down earlier >> version of Kanaan, which then leads right into the P.D. version >> of the same tune. There's also a couple different folk/skiffle Now I REALLY would like to hear this, though if the pattern holds I'll end up liking it less than Kobe. >> And I played my Made in Germany copy again last night...why is >> this album so disrespected?! > Because it's mostly awful? Ouch. Keith's enthusiasm for MiG had me almost ready to go out and give it another chance, but a dash of cold water from Doug snapped me back to reality and saved me a bunch of bucks. When it comes to ranking the ADII releases, I'm going to second Doug pretty much line for line, right down to them losing me at Vive La Trance, except I'd like to say that while Live in London may not strictly speaking be essential, it is far too good to pass up. Also, in comparing Carnival in Babylon and Wolf City, my feeling is that all the material on CiB is at a more or less even level of goodness, while WC is a bit more varied - the tracks on there that I really like (mostly side 2) I like more than anything on CiB, while some of the others (mostly side 1) I tend to like a little less than anything on CiB. So its kind of a tossup there. On to Kraan ... >> Well, Kraan is probably a band you wouldn't much care for, though >> I'm sure there are albums you'd be more receptive to, and others >> you couldn't stand for a minute. I like Kraan's self-titled debut, precisely because parts of it are in a much more psychedelic jamming vein (though still pretty tightly structured) than anything they ever did later. I'd particularly like to mention Johannes Papperts (alto?) saxophone playing - on this release it occasionally sounds to me somewhat like Simon House's violin, not just in the tone of the instrument but in the style of the playing! Of course, that may just be because I have Hawkwind on the brain, so I'd like to hear someone else's opinion on that. The next few albums all contain very impressive musicianship, and the occasional song that I like, but I couldn't honestly say that I really like any of these albums as a whole - though I would probably make an exception for the Live release (with the toothy topless cartoon chicks on the cover) as they stretch out a bit on that one and REALLY impress with their skills. And just to prove to Keith that our tastes are not completely divergent, I will say that The Phoebe Cates arrived yesterday and first listen gives a good impression... C'mon, do the D??l.... Stephan From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Wed Jan 30 00:11:41 2002 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:11:41 -0600 Subject: Off: into another galaxyRe: Re: farewell Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Skane" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: farewell > Eeez done it he has. Topped 'imself. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Pushin > up the daisies. 'angin' about in the ash trays. > > Nah. Eeez resting he is. All shagged out after a long squark. Beautiful > plumage. Dude, you said plumage. ah From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Wed Jan 30 00:14:47 2002 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:14:47 -0600 Subject: Off: Re: Re: OFF: More on Amon Duul II Message-ID: The scorps were way cool until 1979. Anything after that was crap. Oooh Ooh I'm a robot man. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 30 02:28:43 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:28:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps Message-ID: Mr. Oates (I'm just going outside for a little while...I might be some time) says... >The scorps were way cool until 1979. Anything after that was crap. Well, I don't have any problem up to and including Blake-out (as I call it), even though Matthias Jabs is a talentless hack and only about three or so good songs were on each of those albums from '79-'82. For me, just R. Schenker's mindless rhythm guitar and Meine's male-pattern baldness, I mean singing, notwithstanding his and esp. Rarebell's juvenile sexist lyrics, is all you need to make a fun bit of air-guitar escapism. China White and Animal Magnetism are fun riff anthems. >From 'We Lost our Sting,' or whatever that 1984 ballad-puking album was called, onwards, they became a parody of a parody of themselves, since they were a parody to begin with. But anyway, as far as horrid power ballads go, they had to be inventive at least once, didn't they? :) Grakkl (FAA), who's got an extremely offensive Scorpions LP (cover) that would probably get me arrested if the police ever searched my home that thoroughly to come across it. Which would get *them* arrested if you get my drift. P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Wed Jan 30 02:58:43 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:58:43 +1100 Subject: into another galaxyRe: Re: farewell Message-ID: He is a parrot isn't he? I assumed he was a parrot with a daily job sitting on a pirates shoulder. Not much of a career structure but at least he gets to tread allover the padded shoulder brigade. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Off: into another galaxyRe: Re: farewell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Skane" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: farewell > > > > Eeez done it he has. Topped 'imself. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Pushin > > up the daisies. 'angin' about in the ash trays. > > > > Nah. Eeez resting he is. All shagged out after a long squark. Beautiful > > plumage. > > Dude, you said plumage. ah > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 30 04:29:43 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (STYX) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:29:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps In-Reply-To: <200201300748.CAA29960@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: one of the tempel overseers: >>>From 'We Lost our Sting,' or whatever that 1984 ballad-puking album was >called, onwards, they became a parody of a parody of themselves, since they >were a parody to begin with. LOL LOL >But anyway, as far as horrid power ballads go, they had to be inventive at >least once, didn't they? :) > >Grakkl (FAA), who's got an extremely offensive Scorpions LP (cover) that >would probably get me arrested if the police ever searched my home that >thoroughly to come across it. Which would get *them* arrested if you get my >drift. > >P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! hey Keith.....I dug out my copy of the virgin killer LP with glass shattered over that little girl's "FX box" (about 3 weeks ago) (after a happenchance discussion of that LP covers rarity came up in the record store and I wanted to see if I still owned it) and I had fun recoloring in the black parts where the creases lay and then showing it to my friends that were probably there when I bought it ......and then I played it...loudly to cover the still remaining stuck-on beer and scratches it just wasn't the same aging is aging little singer man always annoyed me at the root maybe unfairly as maybe it was just his littleness compared to the rest and maybe it was the certain friz in the hair and then came those tunes you mentioned......PUKE....radio overcram Jabbs always bugged me...I think it was just the facial expression, but then I never owned anything with him on.... remember Uli John's "beyond the astral skies"...and "firewind"...ahh the voice....didn't quite work I don't think.....oh god I can still remember my friends girlfriend going "got any Uli man?" to people who surely did not...was cool that she was into it back then though (mid 80's) mc poopie From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jan 30 05:04:52 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:04:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: More_on_Amon_Duul_II Message-ID: SF says sorrowfully (sorry I can't come up with new jokes every time)... >Oh nuts, I can't help it, I have to add just a bit more to this very >verbose thread...all previous quotes are from KeithH (>>) and DougP (>)... At least it isn't a one-on-one discussion. :) >My copy of the PD reissue should be arriving soon and I'll hopefully be >able to partially answer this when it does... For PD fans, I saw that someone on Ebay was selling a Phallus Dei button, one of the weirder items I've seen there lately. It was the blue forest cover. I have that CD, but also the reissue LP with the all-purple band photo cover with the weird sunray pattern. What's the original look like? I've heard it's cool...I suppose it might be printed in one of the krautrock books (Cope, Freeman, Asbjornsen) but I can't remember seeing it. >Keith's description is quite accurate even if his reaction to it is about >180 degrees different from mine. I think it all falls together very >organically, so it sounds like a continuous piece of music, not at all like >a collage (like The Faust Tapes). A 60+ minute heavy psychedelic tribal jam >- hog heaven for me. My main problems are 1) hardly any real new music uncovered, but mainly 2) the goddamn clicking! Otherwise it would be 'ok' at least. >>> the thing ends up with (about 90 seconds of) Master of the Universe >>> straight off of ISoS. > >Heh, that bit always gives me a kick, though I would have guessed it came >off Space Ritual Vol. II - I'd better go back and listen to it again. Um...yeah, I didn't really listen too closely either. I know it's from a regular source - it didn't sound unusual. But I just assumed they'd used the ISoS version, 'cause why would they put Lem on there?! >If Eternal Flashback is similar, I'd love to get my hands on a copy, but >Andy Gilham's AD website says it was a Captain Trip promotional-style item, >and I don't think I've ever seen it for sale. Um, yeah, I don't know what the deal was - I did get it direct from Ken. But I thought it was for sale at some point. (?) >>> But then there are some obvious pre-Phallus Dei demo recordings >>> in here also. Including most obviously a slowed-down earlier >>> version of Kanaan, which then leads right into the P.D. version >>> of the same tune. There's also a couple different folk/skiffle > >Now I REALLY would like to hear this, though if the pattern holds I'll end >up liking it less than Kobe. :) Oh, come now! Look at the big picture. You and I both agree that Amon Duul II 1969-1975 was vastly superior to Amon Duul II 1976-1982 (and beyond), right? So I just think *their* particular talents were better suited to (strange and quirky) song composition than psych jamming, and you guys think oppositely (in that sense only). Well, sue me. As I was saying with the Scorpions, different bands present different aspects of music to my ears and I respond according to what my own senses are telling me. I get my fill of psychedelic jamming from other bands (I'll throw on Guru Guru's Hinten for a better time), so I'm hardly starving there if I pass on some of my second-favorite band's material! :) For lots of bands, I look at a (hypothetically) unfamiliar CD of theirs and see several tracks over 10 minutes in length, and think Excellent! And other bands (even proggy and psych bands) and see lots of four minute tracks and think Fantastic! Well, not that often, but you get my drift. Of course, with Amon Duul II, some of their best songs (RST-Child and SSR) are tremendously long things (sometimes with eight titles in between) so track times are kinda meaningless there. >When it comes to ranking the ADII releases, I'm going to second Doug pretty >much line for line, right down to them losing me at Vive La Trance, except >I'd like to say that while Live in London may not strictly speaking be >essential, it is far too good to pass up. Also, in comparing Carnival in >Babylon and Wolf City, my feeling is that all the material on CiB is at a >more or less even level of goodness, while WC is a bit more varied - the >tracks on there that I really like (mostly side 2) I like more than >anything on CiB, while some of the others (mostly side 1) I tend to like a >little less than anything on CiB. So its kind of a tossup there. Has anyone heard the '18K Gold' album? It seems it was around the time of Hijack and featured a similar cast with Lothar Meid playing a big role, so I never thought to look for it. Is it out on CD? Now knowing my tastes in terms of AD2, might I like it? Kraan discussion... >I'd particularly like to mention Johannes Papperts (alto?) saxophone >playing Yep, he plays an alto most of all I presume, given that his nickname is 'Alto' Pappert. He's now in the reunited Agitation Free. I don't remember his sax sound from back then too much off-hand...suppose it's possible he could be on a soprano sax there, or else maybe just using some fX. >the Live release (with the toothy topless cartoon chicks on the cover) Cuties. >And just to prove to Keith that our tastes are not completely divergent, I >will say that The Phoebe Cates arrived yesterday and first listen gives a >good impression... They of course have split, though some tracks from (presumably) a second intended release are up on their mp3.com site. I guess doing a search on the name will get you there, unless the actress does her own recordings. Grakkl (FAA), who believes firmly that Phoebe Cates (the band) was better at long instrumental space jams than shorter shoegazer-type songs. P.S. I lied about ending this discussion. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 30 06:24:55 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:24:55 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc In-Reply-To: IAN ABRAHAMS's message of Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: IAN ABRAHAMS writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > > > Juba N writes: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > According to Adrian Shaw, the song was pre-recorded at the studio ( with > > > Adrian playing guitar, as Dave didn?t show up ) and HW mimed it for the > TV > > > show. > > > > If you listen to it, it's just the single that was played on the show. > > Is the single a different cut than the version on the Quark album..because > the Marc show appearance isn't that track? Yes, the single is cut from the album. I thought I'd checked the video and it was the single... FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 30 06:33:27 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:33:27 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_OFF:_KISS_[No_B=D6C/HW]?= In-Reply-To: <63.59e9c7e.298891f7@aol.com> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 2002, at 19:01, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > ...And how did you get those umlauts? > > > "<>" Alt + 153 will give you a capital 'O' with umlaut... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 30 06:35:38 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:35:38 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_OFF:_KISS_[No_B=D6C/HW]?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Jan 2002, at 18:28, Tim wrote: > Saw kiss in the mid '70s,but only because the opening act was Uriah > Heep, a band i still enjoy listening to...(please don't shoot me) tim I saw KISS once too, because--get this--the Dictators were opening. Shoulda left after Handsome Dick et al got through playing... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 30 06:38:01 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:38:01 EDT Subject: OFF: Scorps In-Reply-To: <200201300748.CAA29960@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 30 Jan 2002, at 2:28, K Henderson wrote: > Well, I don't have any problem up to and including Blake-out (as I > call it), even though Matthias Jabs is a talentless hack and only > about three or so good songs were on each of those albums from > '79-'82. For me, just R. Schenker's mindless rhythm guitar and > Meine's male-pattern baldness, I mean singing, notwithstanding his and > esp. Rarebell's juvenile sexist lyrics, is all you need to make a fun > bit of air-guitar escapism. China White and Animal Magnetism are fun > riff anthems. > ROTFLMAO! But they did have some great album covers, at least... theo From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 30 08:01:13 2002 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:01:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc In-Reply-To: <200201301124.LAA13765@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Are you sure his name's Lemmy? ;) see : http://www.xs4all.nl/~boekglas/MartinKaye/K260.JPG From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jan 30 08:27:15 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:27:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Scorps In-Reply-To: <3C57A2D7.23521.117445@localhost> Message-ID: Three albums that changed my life. 1.Hawkwind - Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do (1972) 2 Scorpions - In Trance (1975) 3.Groundhogs - Split (1970) I still really love the Scorpions - Lonesome Crow, Fly To The Rainbow, In Trance, Virgin Killers and Taken By Force. I actually just listened to them all last week along with Love Drive. Unfortunately I never saw the Scorpions Live until 1979 after Ulrich Roth left. To see them with Roth would have been a dream come true. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ted Jackson Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:38 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Scorps On 30 Jan 2002, at 2:28, K Henderson wrote: > Well, I don't have any problem up to and including Blake-out (as I > call it), even though Matthias Jabs is a talentless hack and only > about three or so good songs were on each of those albums from > '79-'82. For me, just R. Schenker's mindless rhythm guitar and > Meine's male-pattern baldness, I mean singing, notwithstanding his and > esp. Rarebell's juvenile sexist lyrics, is all you need to make a fun > bit of air-guitar escapism. China White and Animal Magnetism are fun > riff anthems. > ROTFLMAO! But they did have some great album covers, at least... theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 30 11:02:11 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:02:11 +0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor In-Reply-To: <003601c1a900$0d4b0900$6f23fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: In message <003601c1a900$0d4b0900$6f23fea9 at oemcomputer>, mark von bargen writes >Nick, > >Yeah, Culture Club through Jon Moss is correct 'tho that link has a more >current life. > >Massive Attack - Clive Deamer was not the one that I was thinking about. >Think along the lines of the more current Jon Moss link. I'm stumped here. I know Liz Fraser from the Cocteau Twins has recorded with them, possibly there's a link to HW there somewhere... if it depends on producers I'm not going to get it I fear. > >Yes the rest probably are indefensible but they show just how corrupted this >game can be and a couple of the links are 'interesting' and open up many >more links. No I meant they were indefensible as in- I was prepared to defend Massive Attack (although I see from subsequent posts that we all agree they're fab) but I can't bring myself to defend, er, Boyzone for instance. I don't doubt that there are genuine links although I have no idea what they might be. I have a vague feeling that one of Robbie Williams' backing band is someone who has a history suggesting he ought to know better, but I can't remember the details. -- Nick Medford From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Jan 30 11:50:14 2002 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:50:14 +0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Hi, Dont know if this help Nick, the backing person in Robbie Williams band is Karl Wallinger ( he was certainly there at the beggining of Robbies Solo stuff ( Kiss outfits etc era) he is the leader of World Party and was in the Waterboys... I must admit, I saw Robbie and Glasters and thought he was really good < sorry guys & gals> Iain Nick Medford wrote: > I have a vague feeling that one of Robbie Williams' backing > band is someone who has a history suggesting he ought to know better, > but I can't remember the details. > > -- > Nick Medford From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 30 13:07:53 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:07:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind's Lemmy, etc Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > > Is the single a different cut than the version on the Quark album..because > > the Marc show appearance isn't that track? > > Yes, the single is cut from the album. I thought I'd checked the video > and it was the single... I have a hunch, Mike, that the Adrian Shaw story might be true as the video performance doesn't seem to me to be the same as the LP version... Ian From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 30 14:41:08 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:41:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Scorps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Three albums that changed my life. > >1.Hawkwind - Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do (1972) >2 Scorpions - In Trance (1975) >3.Groundhogs - Split (1970) Hi Chris (using name in hopes of making it look at least like a one on one, rather than one on none) (and I do know he's quality peeps) I recall In Trance was about my favourite, except the mellow parts or something loved them in the past (that Tokyo tapes was OK too, wasn't it) "Split" is my only Groundhogs LP....I figured I had chosen fairly well.... KK, your not really miffed are you? peace m Now STYX on the Grand Illusion tour opening for KISS in 77....that was loud... oh yeah....that Angel band....they were there and loud too..."Punky Meadows"...what a name I know I know....pushin the nonsense,,,, * From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jan 30 14:58:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:58:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: Just clearing up a few things from recent posts: 1) As far as I know Simon King wasn't at the Hawkestra at all, even as a walk-on. There'a also some mystery as to where he is and why he's so reticent to come forward - the guy I've been in contact with who *claims* to be SK apparently is afraud, according to his ex-wife. But then when I pressed her to get in touch with the real SK, she clammed up and hasn't replied to emails since 8-(( So... will the real Simon King please stand up? If Kris or others have his details, I'd really appreciate you clearing up some of the confusion - after all, I'm *trying* to run his 'fan site' 8-)) 2) Mike Moorcock plays guitar, as far as I know. Though probably bass as well, to some degree. His playing is documented, albeit fictitiously, in the Time of the Hawklords boog, which presumably bore *some* relation to real life instrumental abilities. Then there's the Deep Fix album and demos, etc. which are all available. However, I don't believe he's *ever* played guitar or bass on stage with HW - Bernhard? I was under the impression he was poetry only? ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 30 15:14:26 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:14:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: > Just clearing up a few things from recent posts: > > 1) As far as I know Simon King wasn't at the Hawkestra at all, even as a > walk-on. There'a also some mystery as to where he is and why he's so > reticent to come forward - the guy I've been in contact with who *claims* > to be SK apparently is afraud, according to his ex-wife. But then when I > pressed her to get in touch with the real SK, she clammed up and hasn't > replied to emails since 8-(( > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ Tho' oddly enough I do remember seeing someone who loke the spit of a young Simon King while queuing up for a drink. Obviously not him, but it made me do a double-take. Nick From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 30 17:11:55 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:11:55 -0600 Subject: (OFF) dear Dave Brock-laundry on board-Wilfried, etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) I know I have been bad slow with you too (but you know my secrets and pathetic depths in 3d) but I still ask the king a favor: please hook Steve Litchfield up with an all expences paid phone line in real time to Simon King...I owe him a favor and I believe on you.....and they can't take that away and Steve- it's still real, and I send it, and more later (both Steve's actually) "M"- there is a parcel here...hmmmm (will open and look for demands, etc) - Wilfried-this Australian Roadhawks test press rules......your gonna love it....looks perfectly mint and has ..GET THIS....perfectly STAMPED UA LOGOS and INFO...(it's clean and lean and "official" looking).it's an "OHH AHH" piece....good thing I already promised it and let the offers start flowing in so I feel better...(haha) John Gray-- is it you? r u still there? mc kreep Rik....wow later m good news to self- this Aussie Warrior is surely perfect as they come- I wonder if Mike Morrcock can play the banjo behind his back or with his teeth like Hendrix all the while getting some words down for a novel possibly using his foot From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Jan 30 16:27:42 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:27:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jan 30 17:18:47 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:18:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps Message-ID: ah yes........but the Scorpions created one of the criminally unsung metal anthems of all time in the form of the amazing 'China White' which has to be their finest six minutes of steamroller, guitar-driven dynamic metal delight in their entire career. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps > Mr. Oates (I'm just going outside for a little while...I might be some time) > says... > > >The scorps were way cool until 1979. Anything after that was crap. > > Well, I don't have any problem up to and including Blake-out (as I call it), > even though Matthias Jabs is a talentless hack and only about three or so > good songs were on each of those albums from '79-'82. For me, just R. > Schenker's mindless rhythm guitar and Meine's male-pattern baldness, I mean > singing, notwithstanding his and esp. Rarebell's juvenile sexist lyrics, is > all you need to make a fun bit of air-guitar escapism. China White and > Animal Magnetism are fun riff anthems. > > From 'We Lost our Sting,' or whatever that 1984 ballad-puking album was > called, onwards, they became a parody of a parody of themselves, since they > were a parody to begin with. > > But anyway, as far as horrid power ballads go, they had to be inventive at > least once, didn't they? :) > > Grakkl (FAA), who's got an extremely offensive Scorpions LP (cover) that > would probably get me arrested if the police ever searched my home that > thoroughly to come across it. Which would get *them* arrested if you get my > drift. > > P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jan 30 17:21:02 2002 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:21:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: More_on_Amon_Duul_II Message-ID: sadly Eternal Flashbacks has now gone - we sold quite a few of them in the end, but no more - take a look at the Capt Trip website and yuo'll be surprised at how many things are actually now deleted. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: OFF: More_on_Amon_Duul_II > SF says sorrowfully (sorry I can't come up with new jokes every time)... > > >Oh nuts, I can't help it, I have to add just a bit more to this very > >verbose thread...all previous quotes are from KeithH (>>) and DougP (>)... > > At least it isn't a one-on-one discussion. :) > > >My copy of the PD reissue should be arriving soon and I'll hopefully be > >able to partially answer this when it does... > > For PD fans, I saw that someone on Ebay was selling a Phallus Dei button, > one of the weirder items I've seen there lately. It was the blue forest > cover. I have that CD, but also the reissue LP with the all-purple band > photo cover with the weird sunray pattern. What's the original look like? > I've heard it's cool...I suppose it might be printed in one of the krautrock > books (Cope, Freeman, Asbjornsen) but I can't remember seeing it. > > >Keith's description is quite accurate even if his reaction to it is about > >180 degrees different from mine. I think it all falls together very > >organically, so it sounds like a continuous piece of music, not at all like > >a collage (like The Faust Tapes). A 60+ minute heavy psychedelic tribal jam > >- hog heaven for me. > > My main problems are 1) hardly any real new music uncovered, but mainly 2) > the goddamn clicking! Otherwise it would be 'ok' at least. > > >>> the thing ends up with (about 90 seconds of) Master of the Universe > >>> straight off of ISoS. > > > >Heh, that bit always gives me a kick, though I would have guessed it came > >off Space Ritual Vol. II - I'd better go back and listen to it again. > > Um...yeah, I didn't really listen too closely either. I know it's from a > regular source - it didn't sound unusual. But I just assumed they'd used > the ISoS version, 'cause why would they put Lem on there?! > > >If Eternal Flashback is similar, I'd love to get my hands on a copy, but > >Andy Gilham's AD website says it was a Captain Trip promotional-style item, > >and I don't think I've ever seen it for sale. > > Um, yeah, I don't know what the deal was - I did get it direct from Ken. > But I thought it was for sale at some point. (?) > > >>> But then there are some obvious pre-Phallus Dei demo recordings > >>> in here also. Including most obviously a slowed-down earlier > >>> version of Kanaan, which then leads right into the P.D. version > >>> of the same tune. There's also a couple different folk/skiffle > > > >Now I REALLY would like to hear this, though if the pattern holds I'll end > >up liking it less than Kobe. > > :) > > Oh, come now! Look at the big picture. You and I both agree that Amon Duul > II 1969-1975 was vastly superior to Amon Duul II 1976-1982 (and beyond), > right? So I just think *their* particular talents were better suited to > (strange and quirky) song composition than psych jamming, and you guys think > oppositely (in that sense only). Well, sue me. As I was saying with the > Scorpions, different bands present different aspects of music to my ears and > I respond according to what my own senses are telling me. I get my fill of > psychedelic jamming from other bands (I'll throw on Guru Guru's Hinten for a > better time), so I'm hardly starving there if I pass on some of my > second-favorite band's material! :) > > For lots of bands, I look at a (hypothetically) unfamiliar CD of theirs and > see several tracks over 10 minutes in length, and think Excellent! And > other bands (even proggy and psych bands) and see lots of four minute tracks > and think Fantastic! Well, not that often, but you get my drift. Of > course, with Amon Duul II, some of their best songs (RST-Child and SSR) are > tremendously long things (sometimes with eight titles in between) so track > times are kinda meaningless there. > > >When it comes to ranking the ADII releases, I'm going to second Doug pretty > >much line for line, right down to them losing me at Vive La Trance, except > >I'd like to say that while Live in London may not strictly speaking be > >essential, it is far too good to pass up. Also, in comparing Carnival in > >Babylon and Wolf City, my feeling is that all the material on CiB is at a > >more or less even level of goodness, while WC is a bit more varied - the > >tracks on there that I really like (mostly side 2) I like more than > >anything on CiB, while some of the others (mostly side 1) I tend to like a > >little less than anything on CiB. So its kind of a tossup there. > > Has anyone heard the '18K Gold' album? It seems it was around the time of > Hijack and featured a similar cast with Lothar Meid playing a big role, so I > never thought to look for it. Is it out on CD? Now knowing my tastes in > terms of AD2, might I like it? > > Kraan discussion... > >I'd particularly like to mention Johannes Papperts (alto?) saxophone >playing > > Yep, he plays an alto most of all I presume, given that his nickname is > 'Alto' Pappert. He's now in the reunited Agitation Free. I don't remember > his sax sound from back then too much off-hand...suppose it's possible he > could be on a soprano sax there, or else maybe just using some fX. > > >the Live release (with the toothy topless cartoon chicks on the cover) > > Cuties. > > >And just to prove to Keith that our tastes are not completely divergent, I > >will say that The Phoebe Cates arrived yesterday and first listen gives a > >good impression... > > They of course have split, though some tracks from (presumably) a second > intended release are up on their mp3.com site. I guess doing a search on > the name will get you there, unless the actress does her own recordings. > > Grakkl (FAA), who believes firmly that Phoebe Cates (the band) was better at > long instrumental space jams than shorter shoegazer-type songs. > > P.S. I lied about ending this discussion. From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Jan 30 18:33:31 2002 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:33:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps In-Reply-To: <200201300748.CAA29960@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Why, yes...released in Germany on RCA, cat# ND70081. I'm not sure when, as the only date on the thing refers to the original LP's 1977 release. But I'm thinking that it's been out quite awhile, as the inner booklet has that four-language primer on exactly what this CD thing is all about (the one that starts "The Compact Disc Digital Audio System offers the best reproduction - on a small, convenient sound-carrier unit" and ends with "If you follow these suggestions, the Compact Disc will provide a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment."). KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of K Henderson > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:29 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps > > > Grakkl (FAA), who's got an extremely offensive Scorpions LP (cover) that > would probably get me arrested if the police ever searched my home that > thoroughly to come across it. Which would get *them* arrested if > you get my > drift. > > P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jan 30 18:59:45 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:59:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Scorps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I looked at the local CD store today and there was a remastered Taken By Force on EMI Records. I think the price was $13.99, I am not sure. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of KevinSommers Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:34 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps Why, yes...released in Germany on RCA, cat# ND70081. I'm not sure when, as the only date on the thing refers to the original LP's 1977 release. But I'm thinking that it's been out quite awhile, as the inner booklet has that four-language primer on exactly what this CD thing is all about (the one that starts "The Compact Disc Digital Audio System offers the best reproduction - on a small, convenient sound-carrier unit" and ends with "If you follow these suggestions, the Compact Disc will provide a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment."). KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of K Henderson > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:29 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: More on Amon Duul II, Scorps > > > Grakkl (FAA), who's got an extremely offensive Scorpions LP (cover) that > would probably get me arrested if the police ever searched my home that > thoroughly to come across it. Which would get *them* arrested if > you get my > drift. > > P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! > From grodog at PACBELL.NET Wed Jan 30 21:45:17 2002 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:45:17 -0800 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi folks > > In 2000 had e-mail contact to SIMON KINGS girlfriend > She managed to send me an autographed (by Simon) Lyricbook. > It is now autographed by more than 10 members and ex-members of HAWKWIND > And she told me that he does not want to play music in the public. > Therefore he did not make it to the HAWKESTRA in 2000 > > > 2) Mike Moorcock plays guitar, as far as I know. Though probably bass as > > well, to some degree. His playing is documented, albeit fictitiously, in > > the Time of the Hawklords book, which presumably bore *some* relation to > > real life instrumental abilities. Then there's the Deep Fix album and > > demos, etc. which are all available. > > > > However, I don't believe he's *ever* played guitar or bass on stage with > > HW - Bernhard? I was under the impression he was poetry only? I don't recall offhand if MM has ever played an instrument with HW at a show, but certainly some members of HW must have performed with MM during Deep Fix gigs (if any?). I can't find my old copy of the Codex, and it seems the the Sonique and OzHawks pages are offline... > Same here. I never heard that MM stood on stage during a HAWKWIND gig > and played an instrument MM, can you elucidate us please? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jan 30 21:57:03 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:57:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:45:17 -0800, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: >I don't recall offhand if MM has ever played an instrument with HW at >a show, but certainly some members of HW must have performed with MM >during Deep Fix gigs (if any?). The Deep Fix performed at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-In at the Roundhouse (along with Nik's Sphynx & the Damned) with MM on guitar and Ade Shaw on bass (in the Griffin 'Illustrated Collectors Guide' interview, Moorcock mentions his Guild? hollowbody being crushed at the show). Not sure who the drummer was. Oh, and the only thing that MM didn't get proper credit for on 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' was the *lyrics* (not music) to "Kings of Speed", which was rectified in some (most? MC?) later pressings. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Jan 30 23:48:53 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:48:53 -0600 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock In-Reply-To: <200201310257.VAA20136@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >Oh, and the only thing that MM didn't get proper credit for on 'Warrior on >the Edge of Time' was the *lyrics* (not music) to "Kings of Speed", which >was rectified in some (most? MC?) later pressings. > -Doug hello sir knight Doug very interesting about the KOS.....that always felt like MM to me lyrically, and I might have used to know that, but let slip as for the credits...there is a guy named Ricky from Greece that is real good with that stuff if Wilfried or somebody else doesn't know......maybe Wilfried is in touch with him ?? I am sinking into a more reasonable collection since I can't even preserve myself, and paper products were making me a nervous wreck, and I wanted to stop Hawkhogging just a little until I find that "right way" I keep trying to convince everyone I can do..including me....boy I need some fresh jap sleeves... I guess I better lower my voice as the real knowledge isn't so polished anymore- my (previous) excuse for some of the out-of-bounds silliness mc my wooden ships were just a hippie dream capsized in excess, another flower child goes to seed in an ether-filled room of meat hooks...it's so ugly...so ugly *breaks into actual NY lyrics* (for old time sake- please don't kill the machine, don't kill the machine) I GOT A PROBLEM I got a problem I can't explain It's hard to solve it, I can't lose face They all try to help me, but I can't see the light Me and my shadow are so in despair 'Cause we keep hurtin someone who cares Everytime we talk about it I break out in a cold sweat There must be some way outta here But I can't find it yet I got a problem that's so intense I try to fight it, but there's no defense Everytime we talk about it I break out in a cold sweat There must be some way outta here But I can't find it yet I got a problem, I got a problem I got a problem, I got a problem Everytime we talk about it I break out in a cold sweat From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 31 02:20:54 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:20:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:48:53 -0600, mike c wrote: >>Oh, and the only thing that MM didn't get proper credit for on 'Warrior on >>the Edge of Time' was the *lyrics* (not music) to "Kings of Speed", which >>was rectified in some (most? MC?) later pressings. >> -Doug No idea what I was talking about there?!?! All 4 copies in my possession (UK shield, German shield, UK 80's repress, Griffin CD) credit Brock/Moorcock for "Kings of Speed". Nothing improper ... >hello sir knight Doug Hello Mike! >very interesting about the KOS.....that always felt like MM to me >lyrically, and I might have used to know that, but let slip Yeah, pure Moorcock about Jerry C and friends (of course Dave Brock and Nik Turner and Huw Lloyd-Langton could all also write songs about MM characters). >as for the credits...there is a guy named Ricky from Greece that is real >good with that stuff if Wilfried or somebody else doesn't know......maybe >Wilfried is in touch with him ?? Guys? >I am sinking into a more reasonable collection since I can't even preserve >myself, and paper products were making me a nervous wreck, and I wanted to >stop Hawkhogging just a little until I find that "right way" I keep trying >to convince everyone I can do..including me....boy I need some fresh jap >sleeves... > >I guess I better lower my voice as the real knowledge isn't so polished >anymore- >my (previous) excuse for some of the out-of-bounds silliness > >mc > >my wooden ships were just a hippie dream capsized in excess, another flower >child goes to seed in an ether-filled room of meat hooks...it's so >ugly...so ugly > >*breaks into actual NY lyrics* (for old time sake- please don't kill the >machine, don't kill the machine) > >I GOT A PROBLEM > >I got a problem I can't explain >It's hard to solve it, I can't lose face >They all try to help me, but I can't see the light >Me and my shadow are so in despair >'Cause we keep hurtin someone who cares > >Everytime we talk about it >I break out in a cold sweat >There must be some way outta here >But I can't find it yet > >I got a problem that's so intense >I try to fight it, but there's no defense > >Everytime we talk about it >I break out in a cold sweat >There must be some way outta here >But I can't find it yet > >I got a problem, I got a problem >I got a problem, I got a problem >Everytime we talk about it >I break out in a cold sweat From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 31 02:58:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:58:02 EST Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: In a message dated 31/01/02 6:29:33 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK writes: > 2) Mike Moorcock plays guitar, as far as I know. Though probably bass as > well, to some degree. His playing is documented, albeit fictitiously, in > the Time of the Hawklords boog, which presumably bore *some* relation to > real life instrumental abilities. Then there's the Deep Fix album and > demos, etc. which are all available. > In an interview I read of Michael Moorcock - he says he had been playing music since he was 15 - plays guitar - but not much more info other than that - except for some recording he did in other projects. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 31 08:42:32 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:32 GMT Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:45:17 -0800, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > wrote: > >I don't recall offhand if MM has ever played an instrument with HW at > >a show, but certainly some members of HW must have performed with MM > >during Deep Fix gigs (if any?). > > The Deep Fix performed at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-In at the Roundhouse > (along with Nik's Sphynx & the Damned) with MM on guitar and Ade Shaw on > bass Did that gig actually happen? I have it in mind that it didn't, but perhaps I'm thinking of some other plan that fell apart in 1978. FoFP From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 31 14:52:50 2002 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:52:50 -0000 Subject: HW: The Links Factor Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:02:11 +0000 From: Nick Medford Subject: Re: HW: The Links Factor > >Yeah, Culture Club through Jon Moss is correct 'tho that link has a more >current life. > >Massive Attack - Clive Deamer was not the one that I was thinking about. >Think along the lines of the more current Jon Moss link. >I'm stumped here. I know Liz Fraser from the Cocteau Twins has >recorded with them, possibly there's a link to HW there somewhere... if >it depends on producers I'm not going to get it I fear. Liz sang Roy Harper's "Another Day" on the first This Mortal Coil album, so there's one link. The Cocteaus are a favourite of mine, so any fans on here please mail! R From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 31 14:57:19 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:57:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:32 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Doug Pearson writes: >> The Deep Fix performed at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-In at the Roundhouse >> (along with Nik's Sphynx & the Damned) with MM on guitar and Ade Shaw on >> bass > >Did that gig actually happen? I have it in mind that it didn't, but >perhaps I'm thinking of some other plan that fell apart in 1978. You may be thinking of the Kittyhawks gig? Both Moorcock and Shaw have certainly confirmed the Roundhouse gig (especially since it cost Mike his very nice guitar!). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 31 16:10:39 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:10:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Camden 1977 tidied up for trade Message-ID: Er, Is it possible to have a similar arrangement as the Hawkestra gig? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Edmonds To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 28 January 2002 22:28 Subject: HW: Camden 1977 tidied up for trade >Hi All, > >OK, I'm going out on a limb here. I have what I hope is the best available >version of the excellent Camden Music Machine June 10, 1977 gig available >for trade. If you like this HW era then you have to have this. It's a >cracking gig and apart from a honker of a bum chord at the beginning of High >Rise, the band doesn't put a foot wrong. > >Track list: > >Reefer Madness >Hassan I Sahba >Forge of the Vulcan >Brainstorm >Wind of Change >Steppenwolf >High Rise >Robot >Spirit of the Age >Damnation Alley >Uncle Sam's on Mars >The Iron Dream >Master of the Universe (encore) > >Running time: 79m 46sec > >Sound quality: > >On the whole, I would rate this as a high 7, rising to 8 and dipping to 6 in >places. > >Details: > >First off, thanks to all those who sent me tapes of this gig (plus the June >11 show). I used the good quality "Forge of the Vulcan" CD for the work >because it seems there are two distinct Camden tapes available of which one >is definitely wrong. If you have a tape which suddenly stops in Spirit of >the Age, bangs into the *middle section only* of Master of the Universe and >then bangs into the post-vocal section (the big organ chord riff) of >Damnation Alley then chances are, your tape is sped up by about 7%. Although >it might sound exciting, the tempos are completely wrong. For example, the >sped up version of the Camden Uncle Sam runs at over 170bpm!! The correct >version runs at about 150bpm and for a point of reference, the PXR5 version >is about 145bpm. Steppenwolf sounds completely nuts at the wrong tempo. > >The main problem with the Vulcan CD is that although it sounds clean, it is >strangely lifeless so I did some work on it. First thing was to swap >channels as Dave's guitar was on the left. Then to try and spice it up a >bit, I added some midrange (not too much or it gets nasal). I tried doing >other things to give it more edge but I always ended up with something that >degraded the sound too much. Then, as usual, the balance across the >recording was skewed and inconsistent so I set up envelope controls to try >and keep things central. It doesn't always work but it's better than having >the sound coming all from one side. > >As for the track joins, the music is continuous up to Spirit of the Age >where I had to fade it out. There is then a quick fade up into Damnation >Alley and this version has some of the main vocals. Music is then continuous >to the "thank you" after The Iron Dream. Master of the Universe is >incomplete so this has the end of the first section, the complete middle >section and the first half of the third section - more than the other tape >version. > >There are some minor problems with the sound. In the quiet bits (Forge of >the Vulcan and Wind of Change) there is a quiet clicking in the left. I >tried everything to get rid of this and it worked if listening on speakers >but headphones showed up the processing so I had to let it stand. There is >also a strange treble artifact in Damnation Alley on the cymbals (they sound >swooshy) and the only way to fix this would have been to drop the treble >EQ - no cymbals in other words so again, I left it. The sound also breaks up >slightly towards the end of Robot. > >Finally, on the CD burn, there is a small click between Steppenwolf and High >Rise. I haven't worked out what causes this as if you burn with the 2 second >gap, it plays fine or if you play the WAVs individually or strung together >on the PC it plays fine - it just cocks up on the CD. Oh, and there are none >of those maddening 2 sec gaps except before the encore. > >Anyway, I've blurbed enough. If you want to trade, please contact me on >. > >Cheers, > >Mark > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Jan 31 15:15:15 2002 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:15:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock In-Reply-To: <200201311957.OAA22578@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:57:19 -0500, you sent through the ether: >>> The Deep Fix performed at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-In at the Roundhouse >>> (along with Nik's Sphynx & the Damned) with MM on guitar and Ade Shaw on >>> bass >> >>Did that gig actually happen? I have it in mind that it didn't, but >>perhaps I'm thinking of some other plan that fell apart in 1978. The Bohemian Love In did happen, I know cos I went.. :) (The ticket had a tiny dot printed on it with the instruction "lick here") Sphynx, Tanz Der Youth, Steve Tooks Horns.. that's all I can remember about it tho.. Definitely no Damned.. -S. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Jan 31 17:48:51 2002 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:48:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock In-Reply-To: <200201310720.CAA21239@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:48:53 -0600, mike c wrote: >>>Oh, and the only thing that MM didn't get proper credit for on 'Warrior on >>>the Edge of Time' was the *lyrics* (not music) to "Kings of Speed", which >>>was rectified in some (most? MC?) later pressings. >>> -Doug > >No idea what I was talking about there?!?! All 4 copies in my possession >(UK shield, German shield, UK 80's repress, Griffin CD) credit >Brock/Moorcock for "Kings of Speed". Nothing improper ... in between trying to get up nerve to go to the hospital last night, to get tooth pain under control, I kept thinking "but Doug knows you have a pile of Warriors"...and I didn't mean that I wouldn't check them....I just couldn't do it right then and I wasn't sure where I was looking.... sorry for straying -you know PS- you have the Warriors that matter m From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 31 17:23:41 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:23:41 EST Subject: HW: Simon King and Mike Moorcock Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/02 10:02:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Oh, and the only thing that MM didn't get proper credit for on 'Warrior on > the Edge of Time' was the *lyrics* (not music) to "Kings of Speed", which > was rectified in some (most? MC?) later pressings. > > The Warrior LP I have is one of the 'hairy' fold-outs (ooh, that sounds rude!), and the record label and the inner sleeve both list KoS as "Brock/Moorcock." The version of KoS (instruments and no vocals) that is on Mighty Hawkwind Classics is credited as "Brock" only. Joe From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 31 20:27:06 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:27:06 EST Subject: OFF: Scorps/taken by force Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/2002 6:07:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! > yes it is! remastered w/bonus material. not sure where you can find it, a friend from belgium sent me one over the holidays. very recently released bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 31 20:28:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: not really anything to do with Lemmy Message-ID: ... except for the fact that I talked to my dealer (musical instruments, of course!) today, and he had received his first 4004LK Lemmy signature bass from Rickenbacker this morning!!! Which means that I should have mine in a few weeks (mr. dealer is getting about 15 of the run of 60, and I'm at about #10 on his list, so many folks get theirs before me). NOW, the anticipation's gonna start killing me ... pic here: http://www.rickenbacker.com/us/4004lk.htm (except that the released model has inlays instead of dots on the fingerboard, which is apparently one of the reasons it took so long!) (Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but I HAD to share ... and I promise that once it arrives, I'll get pics of all my Rickenbackers scanned and up on the web.) tingling with excitement, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Jan 31 21:05:27 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:05:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Scorps/taken by force In-Reply-To: <169.812494c.298b48ea@aol.com> Message-ID: The two bonus tracks I saw on the EMI version were from Tokyo Tapes. One was Suspender Love, can't remember the other title. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert C. Mayo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Scorps/taken by force In a message dated 1/30/2002 6:07:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > P.S. Is Taken by Force on CD yet? I've *never* seen it! > yes it is! remastered w/bonus material. not sure where you can find it, a friend from belgium sent me one over the holidays. very recently released bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 31 21:06:13 2002 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:06:13 EST Subject: OFF: Scorps/taken by force Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/2002 9:05:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes: > can't remember the other title. > polar nights