From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sun Dec 1 01:15:14 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:15:14 -0000 Subject: HW: december's classic rock Message-ID: Arin, I only saw a very brief news piece abut the tour and two duplicate adverts when I scanned through the latest copy of the mag in a local newsagents. I hope I didn't miss anything more worthwhile. The previous month featured a longer news piece about the name dispute etc,etc... This is probably the issue dated December which is now a month old. Strange the way that they date monthly magazines in the UK. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: HW: december's classic rock > Hiya folks, > > Has anyone seen December's Classic Rock? I'm told that there is a HW > piece in it....any chance a UK'er could pick up and scan in, if true? > > Thx, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Dec 1 01:32:26 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:02:26 +1030 Subject: The right to decide Message-ID: I found the printout I took from Mission Control about a year or so ago. for those who are interested with a little something extra for the guitar players out there. --------------- B F# I'm a digital citizen safe in my room E I've got my video to felieve the gloom B F# My minds on a circuit with the news on a screen E Lifes a no go area it's so obscene B F# cause you can't do this, you can't do that E you cant go forward and you can't go back B F# I'm a plugged in person I'm a TV fan E But there's so many things that I dont understand B F# Why do you want to steal when on TV its not real E Its a viewing game B F# cause you can't do this, you cant do that E you cant go forward and you can't go back Instrumental (( F - E - F - G ))) Repeat first verse From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Dec 1 02:48:38 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:48:38 -0700 Subject: Larry's Health Message-ID: I'd like to send my prayers & good vibes his way. May the Goddess watch over him. Pam DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > To Everyone, > I'm sorry to tell you in this manner but on Friday, Nov. 22nd Larry suffered > a stroke. He is currently in critical care in a coma. If you would like > further information please respond back to this address. > > His Housemate, Michael > ( I will be gone for a week starting Monday) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace If anyone's interested, my 'Queens of Deliria' Hawkwind fiction book is only ?3 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974682842 I've also got a video of Night of the Hawks which I can put up if anyone's interested, or wants to make me an offer? Steve Litchfield From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Dec 1 10:52:48 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:52:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Acid Mothers Temple Message-ID: Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O. - Reitschule, Dachstock; Bern Switzerland - 22.11.02 A five-piece version of Japan's top-ranked psych-freakout ensemble came, saw, and conquered Switzerland's capital city in just over two hours on this particular Friday night. The "Dachstock" (meaning "top floor") at the Reitschule ("Riding School") was a true attic-like room of large proportions, virtually triangular-shaped in cross-section and constructed entirely of wood beams and floorboards. Hence, there's quite a bit of room over center-stage for a light show as long as you limit your horizontal scale just a bit. For this show, a square white projection screen was hung from the ceiling just above the drumset, and throughout the performance distorted images of various things placed in front of a small camera (operated from the mixing desk) were projected there. Effectively I might add. At other times, shots of the drummer himself (just a few seconds delayed from being 'live') were visible there, though I could never figure out where this second (obviously tiny) camera was mounted. Other than this and a few colored lights that weren't too sophisticated, the group themselves were pretty much most of the show visually as well as aurally. And what a show it was!! I had only a little trouble finding the venue...having been to Bern on several other occasions (work-related), I had already seen this colourful building (and I mean that in the most literal of senses - it's completely covered with graffiti-artwork!) from the train and used it as a landmark for general orientation in this city of windy (long 'i' there) streets and even windier rivers. I arrived to discover (again) that the lone start time listed (21:00) on the Dachstock website was just a 'door-opening' time (the very next show I attended listed just 21:00 again and that one did start exactly at 9 PM, so there's absolutely no set convention for starting times here...aggravating.) But I didn't much care, 'cause on a Friday (or Saturday) night, the city runs 'Nightbird' busses out to the surrounding suburbs (and yet aways beyond) and I could get to my friend's home 30 km to the north by catching this 2 AM bus no matter the lateness of the gig. As it turned out, the performance didn't begin until just after 11 PM with the 'warm-up' time being occupied only with a DJ guy playing appropriate music over the PA. (I heard godspeed you black emperor!, Velvet Underground, and plenty of other good tunes, so along with some wet refreshments it was not a tiring wait.) Also, during this time, two of the bandmembers were manning their table of goods to offer including several AMT CDs and other works by various spinoffs and such, plus a ltd. ed. T-shirt. I got one of these and the very last copy they had of the newest CD (reviewed below). Well, ok, the rest of the CD is reviewed below...I'll talk about the final (credited) track "Soleil de cristal et lune d'argent" now because they opened the show with this psychedelic extravaganza. Guitarist Extraordinaire Kawabata Makoto began the track by strumming on a bouzouki while the patriarchial-looking Higashi Hiroshi spun knobs and flipped switches on his synth. Cotton Casino, perhaps 30 years his junior, followed suit on her board full of knobs and trigger devices while she lit the first of the 237 cigarettes she smoked on this night. Eventually she opened up at least half of her mouth to sing the silky smooth and chantlike (English) vocals as Makoto switched over to his tremolo-fitted Stratocaster. Then as the ensuing jam commenced, both he and bassist Tsuyama Atsushi let loose, by assaulting both fretboards with more notes than any single instrument should ever be forced to expel in its entire lifetime. So, during this madness it was up to drummer Koizumi Hajime and Hiroshi (doubling on rhythm guitar when necessary) to keep things together, especially as Atsushi plays a never-ending succession of licks and runs that extend from the very bottom to the very top of the range of his bass. And despite all this manic behavior, the resulting miasma of sound still maintains a proper linear pulse to it...repetitive-sounding to some ears I'm sure (these people weren't in the audience mind you!) but nobody could argue that there wasn't something always going on in the wonderfully murky and overloud clamour. With each track tending to clock in at about 15 minutes or so, the setlist contained hardly any more names than a Florida presidential election ballot, but I'm afraid I can't tell you the titles of any of the other tracks. One track I liked featured an extended section with Makoto pulling out a long, narrow metal rod for the obligatory 'glissando' guitar passage - accordingly, the whole piece then had a very (70s) Steve Hillage flavor to it...wish I could tell you what disc this one is from. Also, several times throughout the show, the Mothers would take a break from the sonic overkill bit to let Atsushi demonstrate his amazing vocal prowess in the form of this peculiar 'throat-singing' methodology they have developed in east Asia (somewhere, I dunno exactly). It's something like trying to gargle after you've swallowed a didgeridoo...well, that's what it sounds like to me. In the midst of these peculiar resonating gargle-noises, Atsushi manages to also change pitch and create 'words' and such (Japanese words, I imagine). Or total silliness at times too. Eventually, the others join in with their own voices (not quite so goofy-sounding in most cases) and they can do 'rounds' based on traditional-sounding anthems. Their finale began in just this manner, with what I'm guessing is a well-known folk song in Japan. I remembered this tune from the show in Columbus, OH a year-and-a-half ago and it was another highlight of the night. From such a traditional beginning, it certainly took on a different tone by the end, which saw Makoto playing his guitar in all manner of styles including a bit of physical abuse. Like it being held straight up in the air and then swung around a la a Pete Townshend-windmill, only with windmilling the actual guitar and not just the right arm! He also found a way to play the instrument with just one hand holding onto the tremolo arm and shaking the thing vigorously like the notes could just fall out like crumbs from a toaster. The animation of each of the five on stage was extraordinary and at times it looked almost like some sort of bizarre exercise training video. This ain't no 'shoegazing' band! They'd already injected nearly 2 hours of music into our heads, so AMT's encore was short and sweet. Just two minutes of peculiar vocalizings and extraneous noises followed by roughly 30 seconds of total sonic overload on any and all instruments at their disposal (several of them coming crashing down in all directions). (Note: This 'song' appears on the 'Univers zen...' disc as an untitled bonus track, though the Fractal website suggests the title is "God Bless AMT." Exactly.) With then simple gravity leading to the instruments' final resting places, the five suddenly vanished from the stage leaving all of us wondering where on earth these sonic assassins had escaped to! But no amount of further enticement from the crowd could induce more audio-insanity from the group (somebody probably pulled a muscle or two along the way), but we all went home extremely happy and well-entertained. The live AMT experience is pure joy to witness. And now... 'Univers zen ou de z?ro ? z?ro' (Fractal Records (FR) #020, 2002 ; http://www.fractal-records.com) So, I'm not sure what the real Acid Mothers Temple discography looks like, and I don't understand whether the second half of the name represents a different version of an original. My biographical knowledge of the band starts just two years ago. Anyway, I think there's three or four discs now featuring this basic unit and apart from this one on Fractal there's another recent recording out on Jussi Lehtisalo's (of Circle) label Ektro Records in Finland (they have been touring together in various parts of northern Europe in recent years). So I won't attempt to speculate on the context of this release relative to the others, I'll just review it as it stands. Other than the five members listed above, there are guest performances here from Magic Aum Gigi (Guimbarde, Chaud Lapin - I'll let you try to make sense of these words!), Hiroshi Narazaki (guitar solo on the opening track), and one Father Moo (credited with "Mooooooooooooooooo" - number of o's approximate; ok, whatever!). 'Univers zen...' kicks off with a 10-minute psychedelic freakout entitled "Electric Love Machine" - nice stuff but a bit of a noisy recording which may or may not be intentional, I dunno. Dueling acoustic guitar & bouzouki along with Casino's delicate soprano voice paint a pretty picture next on "Ange m?canique de Saturne," colored nicely with some additional spacey noises and incidentals. Four minutes in, though, an underlying drone track is spliced in, and it becomes a 'cosmic raga' of sorts. Very clear sound on this one. But "Blues pour bible noire" is again thick with static overload in the ole headset (no information about recording circumstances is given so I can't say whether some of this material was recorded in primitive conditions and then released as an 'after-thought' or what?). This album-side-long tune is deliberate in pace and rides an excellent guitar soliloquy from start to finish, both soaring and searing in nature. After a full ten minutes though, a few vocal lines from Casino do appear - however, the guitar feedback and bass-guitar noodling bits are still the more prominent parts. I already talked above about the blanga-fest that is the extensive jam on "Soleil de cristal et lune d'argent," so I'll just mention that this recording (while thick and murky by nature - and appropriately so!) has no sonic defects and by itself makes the whole CD (a whopping 70 minutes plus in only six tracks!) worthwhile. Acid Mothers Temple is always much better experienced in a live setting and so just owning the CDs doesn't really offer one the full potential of their music. This band, more than any other perhaps, represents how compelling is the draw of music in a live setting and why I am never satisfied with just hearing it captured on a static slab of your-polymer-of-choice. If they come anywhere near your chosen place of residence, please make the effort to attend one of their shows - you won't be disappointed I promise you! From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 1 12:48:03 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:48:03 -0000 Subject: Larry's Health Message-ID: I am very sorry to hear of this news - had some very amusing posts with him a while back. Dave Hall -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 30 November 2002 18:10 Subject: Larry's Health >To Everyone, >I'm sorry to tell you in this manner but on Friday, Nov. 22nd Larry suffered >a stroke. He is currently in critical care in a coma. If you would like >further information please respond back to this address. > >His Housemate, Michael >( I will be gone for a week starting Monday) > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Dec 1 13:27:45 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:27:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers All Final Call Message-ID: OK Folks... A few more o' y'all responded to my last prodding, and now I'm about to set about arranging this not-too-terribly-difficult tree for the second HW Covers All (CDR) installment. Consider this the last call, then. So...the color scheme. I guess only the US wing of the original tree actually followed the color scheme, so those in Europe may not care one way or the other. And you're on your own here, as there's nobody holding a gun to your head telling you everyone *has* to follow this scheme. But anyway, word from Kevin Sommers (and others, though nobody else actually broke down the shades into the actual component mix as he did!) is that the original four were on paper of these shades (printing in just black of course!)... Volume I - Light Lavenderish-Pink (R:236, G:174, B:205) Volume II - Light Blue (R:166, G:210, B:236) Volume III - White Volume IV - Light Orange (R:238, G:150, B:16) So...it always seemed that a pack of multi-colored paper (in the US at least) gave you typically five colors which were (for me) usually pink, blue, green, (pale) yellow, and some ugly thing called 'goldenrod.' Perhaps that's the same as this 'light orange' I'm not sure. Anyway, so I'll put green and (pale) yellow into the V and VI spots, and then we'll start the sequence over with pink in the 7th spot, and just repeat from there as necessary. As... Volume V - Green Volume VI - Pale Yellow Volume VII - (LL)-Pink Volume VIII - Light Blue Again, the images are at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files Download the eight *.jpgs and print on the proper paper (if you will) at the proper dimensions, which (in US dimensions) is 9.5 in. lengthwise for a booklet, and something just a hair short of 6 in. for a tray card. Both IIRC! (24.1 cm and 15 cm, respectively, if my math is working right.) Oh, BTW, I made one very small correction on the tray card for Vol. VIII today, as one band that I thought was from the UK is actually American. So if you've already downloaded the images and want the proper one, well then... Oh, are they printing ok? For some reason, the black print looks a little squirrelly on my screen - not sure why. Maybe when it comes out on the printer itself, it's 'flat' black like it should be and not slightly greyish? I hope so, I don't know how to change it now I don't think. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Doug, you ready to go? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Dec 1 15:10:54 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:10:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers All Final Call Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:27:45 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >A few more o' y'all responded to my last prodding, and now I'm about to set >about arranging this not-too-terribly-difficult tree for the second HW >Covers All (CDR) installment. Consider this the last call, then ... > >P.S. Doug, you ready to go? Volume VII has had the new tracks added and is ready to burn, so yeah! If we'd had the foresight to have a tape machine rolling during last weekend's Terminalwasteband reherasals/jams, I would have been able to throw on a cover of "Motorhead" (which gave lie to the notion that girl guitarists can't shred) as well, maybe next time ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Dec 1 18:41:35 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:41:35 -0600 Subject: HW: december's classic rock In-Reply-To: <001701c29901$04013440$9eebfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Mark Von Bargen wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: december's classic rock : :Arin, : :I only saw a very brief news piece abut the tour and two duplicate adverts :when I scanned through the latest copy of the mag in a local newsagents. I :hope I didn't miss anything more worthwhile. :The previous month featured a longer news piece about the name dispute :etc,etc... This is probably the issue dated December which is now a month :old. Strange the way that they date monthly magazines in the UK. What did the previous month's longer piece say? anyone feel like scanning it in? Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Dec 1 16:20:18 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:20:18 +0000 Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: Steve..if you like Culture Shock you'll like Citizen Fish as well..they're frounted by the same guy and are pretty wild live..in da Ska Punk domain...very socially minded lyrics..An you didn't answer my last Q "are you commin over $ any Xmas gigs??2 how did i hit that dollor?? Al. >From: stephe lindas >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Travellers aid trust LP >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:22:15 -0500 > >Anyone know anything about the band Culture Shock? They sound alot like THe >Subhumans. Is there any connection? Did they release any recordings? Cheers >Stephe _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 2 05:45:58 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:45:58 +0000 Subject: HW: walthamstow Message-ID: Pencil me in please Strawb >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: walthamstow >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:15:03 -0600 > >Hi folks, > >Are any boc-l folks coming to walthamstow who aren't staying at the hotel? >(I think that we'll be having a party at the venue post gig, since the >hotel doesn't have the space, and I want to do up tix for people.) > >If you are coming (and not staying in the hotel) and you want to come to >the party could you please let me know? > >(Keith H., I already know you are coming) > >Thanks! > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Dec 2 09:14:00 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:14:00 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: went with my family to said institution. Of interest to the list, Handsome Dick Manitoba's Boots and Coat from "Go Girl Crazy!" cover pic are on display in the uppoer left hand corner of the "PUNK" case... which is good beause its a very Brit heavy display, excepting the Ramones. Sand thing was the gift shop(pe) was owned n' operated by FYE. Genre wise, psychadelic music,metal,surf music were either buried or I didnt see any representative group mem'ribilia there. Closest it got was Brian Jones' mellotron from Satanic Majesties Request. and theo, brace yourself: Rush had a display there. Neil Pearts drums from the Counterparts tour. Bon Jovi had a wall to call its own. that's not right. oN the other hand, it had the guitars of Muddy waters and willie dixon and the instruments of the Who. those 5 things more than make up for the sins of commission. i found it interesting that patrons are not given the opportunity to vote at the museum for the potential list of inductees. THe MC5 are on the list this time (woo hoo!) Rock and roll is dead (at least if the museum is playing the Eagles as you approach it). and its not dead, too. in closing, the museum affirms some of the truly bright spots of the past, enough to reaffirm one's convictions in the present (and to sharpen your eye for the scariness that passes as 'mainstream'). jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 2 08:51:00 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:51:00 EDT Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD772@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 2 Dec 2002, at 9:14, Scruton, Jason wrote: > went with my family to said institution. > Hey, is that what Mr. Bush is talking about when he speaks of family values? > Of interest to the list, Handsome Dick Manitoba's Boots and Coat from > "Go Girl Crazy!" cover pic are on display in the uppoer left hand > corner of the "PUNK" case... which is good beause its a very Brit > heavy display, excepting the Ramones. > Who woulda figured? Could be some debate whether the Dictators are punk, but then what the hell else would you call them? Sand thing was the gift shop(pe) was owned n' operated by FYE. > Genre wise, psychadelic music,metal,surf music were either buried or I > didnt see any representative group mem'ribilia there. Closest it got > was Brian Jones' mellotron from Satanic Majesties Request. > > and theo, brace yourself: > > Rush had a display there. Neil Pearts drums from the Counterparts > tour. Bon Jovi had a wall to call its own. that's not right. > Correct on both counts! > oN the other hand, > it had the guitars of Muddy waters and willie dixon and the > instruments of the Who. those 5 things more than make up for the sins > of commission. > Which axe of Muddy's, do you remember? > i found it interesting that patrons are not given the opportunity to > vote at the museum for the potential list of inductees. THe MC5 are on > the list this time (woo hoo!) > Well, that would fix a lot of what's wrong there. How come no ZZ Top in the HoF? Whether you like them or not, they've been together over 30 years with the same lineup, sold millions of albums, still tour in arenas, and helped launch MTV--why the hell aren't they in the Hof? Neither is Skynyrd, for that matter. Ah, well, they had to make room for Jan and Dean...what was I thinking? > Rock and roll is dead (at least if the museum is playing the Eagles as > you approach it). and its not dead, too. in closing, the museum > affirms some of the truly bright spots of the past, enough to reaffirm > one's convictions in the present (and to sharpen your eye for the > scariness that passes as 'mainstream'). > I notice you aren't specualating on the 'future!' theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Mon Dec 2 10:07:28 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:07:28 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: > Hey, is that what Mr. Bush is talking about when he speaks of > family values? Heh! If he was, then it goes to show that republicans are not ALL bad. I always thought they should have used "O.P.P." for campaign purposes: "I'm down with GOP! yeah you know me" > Which axe of Muddy's, do you remember? No. sorry. > Well, that would fix a lot of what's wrong there. How come no ZZ > Top in the HoF? The eliminator car is in the lobby, and two of their custom axes are on display-- the ones that look like gruesome industrial machines. and, how could i forget,they have a Strat Beck played in the Yardbirds. > Ah, well, > they had to make room for Jan and Dean...what was I thinking? You don't come back from deadman's curve. > I notice you aren't specualating on the 'future!' I derive my position from the Bards, Tyner and Lydon: "the future's here right now, if you control your own destiny" and "no future!" Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 2 09:56:28 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:56:28 EDT Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: <6258238B31F8F041AEA921331091F0A6020FD773@EXCHSEN0A1MD> Message-ID: On 2 Dec 2002 at 10:07, Scruton, Jason wrote: > and, how could i forget,they have a Strat Beck played in the > Yardbirds. > That would be cool to see. I wasn't aware JB used a Strat in the Yardbirds. I thought it came later... > > Ah, well, > > they had to make room for Jan and Dean...what was I thinking? > You don't come back from deadman's curve. > > > I notice you aren't specualating on the 'future!' > > I derive my position from the Bards, Tyner and Lydon: > "the future's here right now, if you control your own destiny" > and > "no future!" > Works for me... theo From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Dec 2 10:59:22 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:59:22 -0500 Subject: Travellers aid trust LP Message-ID: HI, No I can't make it. My job evolves around school and winter is rather tough. If anything happens this summer then most likely I'll be able to make it. I'm hoping for another Hawkfest. We'll see. I'm a big fan of The Subhumans. Culture Shock kinda blew me away. I love that style of Punk. I didn't know what happened to them until now. After the Holidays I'm going have to seek out some of their recordings. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan day" To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Travellers aid trust LP > Steve..if you like Culture Shock you'll like Citizen Fish as well..they're > frounted by the same guy and are pretty wild live..in da Ska Punk > domain...very socially minded lyrics..An you didn't answer my last Q "are > you commin over $ any Xmas gigs??2 how did i hit that dollor?? Al. > > > > > > > > >From: stephe lindas > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Travellers aid trust LP > >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:22:15 -0500 > > > >Anyone know anything about the band Culture Shock? They sound alot like THe > >Subhumans. Is there any connection? Did they release any recordings? Cheers > >Stephe > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Dec 2 11:13:04 2002 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:13:04 -0700 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: That whole place makes my blood boil. Yeah, there are some really cool things in there, but the whole "deciding who gets inducted" makes current radio airplay look "cutting edge". There needs to be a better determination of what qualifies someone to be inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Is is longevity, quantity, quality (and who decides what is quality?), songwriting, performance ability or how influencial they were on the music scene? Some of the inductees meet none of these criteria. Hell, by looking at some of the inductees, they can't even decide what Rock n Roll is. For me, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is my CD collection. Freakin' Cleveland posers. Brad Make me King and I'll fix everything From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Dec 2 11:15:59 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:15:59 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: <006401c29a1d$b266b600$b1dcdb42@sony> Message-ID: Brad Dahl wrote: > For me, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is my CD collection. Perfectly said! My favorite part is discovering new potential inductees.... Brian OBexample> C.Gibbs and the Cardia Bros. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 2 14:02:14 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Reefer Minimalism) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:02:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: "originals" Message-ID: Sorry for the delay on this one: On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:33:30 +1300, David Howard & Kim Pieters wrote: >While Fripp has scrupulously acknowledged >that Eno introduced him to the compositional techniques used in >Frippertronics/Soundscapes, Eno borrowed those techniques from the >classicist Steve Reich's work with tape recorders. In 'Early Minimalism' Tony Conrad claims that he in fact was the first to use tape delay and looping in a performing/composing context with one of his works from 1961. He further states that Terry Riley then experimented with this idea a year later (but doesn't explicitly state that Riley got the idea from him, though it seems to be implied) and that Reich followed after (and he DOES explicitly state that Reich got it from Riley). Conrad does not seem to be overly fond of Reich, and I can't claim to have more than a superficial knowledge of modern musical history, but he does make a convincing case. Stephan From alan_taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Mon Dec 2 14:36:38 2002 From: alan_taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:36:38 -0500 Subject: HW : BRIGHAWK Message-ID: Bonnybridge's very own BRIGHAWK (Central Scotland's Hawkwind tribute band) are playing at the Falkirk Martell on Sunday 22 December. I have seen them a couple of times and they play an excellent set of Hawkwind covers, ranging from Brainstorm right thru Spirit of the Age, Quark and Camera. If you are lucky, Danny (vocals) might whip out his digeridoo. You know what to do.... They have a website at http://www.geocities.com/brighawk/ See you there. From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Dec 2 15:23:22 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:23:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: "originals" Message-ID: Reefer Minimalism wrote: > In 'Early Minimalism' Tony Conrad claims that he in fact was the first to > use tape delay and looping in a performing/composing context with one of > his works from 1961. He further states that Terry Riley then experimented > with this idea a year later (but doesn't explicitly state that Riley got > the idea from him, though it seems to be implied) and that Reich followed > after (and he DOES explicitly state that Reich got it from Riley). Conrad > does not seem to be overly fond of Reich, and I can't claim to have more > than a superficial knowledge of modern musical history, but he does make a > convincing case. Does he mention Otto Leuning and Vladimar Ussachevsky, who were using tape delay techniques back in the fifties? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Dec 2 16:15:41 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:15:41 -0500 Subject: HW Covers all Vol 1-4 Message-ID: HI, Does anyone have these for trade? I missed out when these were tree'd before. I think!!! Cheers Stephe From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 2 16:57:02 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Spirit of Delay) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:57:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: "originals" Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:23:22 -0500, John McIntyre wrote: >Does he mention Otto Leuning and Vladimar Ussachevsky, who were using tape >delay techniques back in the fifties? Not at all. Did they actually do real-time creation and manipulations, or were they doing musique concrete playback of pre-recorded/edited sounds? Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 2 17:58:51 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:58:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Acid Mothers Temple Message-ID: Speaking of new Acid Mothers releases, they also have a live CD out on Eclipse Records called 'Live in Japan' with a gig from December 2001. Thoroughly over the top and the next best thing to being there, and with very good sound. Not to mention the recent studio release Electric Heavyland. And the 3 CD compilation-rerospective. And Temple guru Kawabata Makoto also appears on a whole slew of recent reissues and solo discs as well as on the newest Musica Transonic disc (Hard Rock Transonic) which is a very High Rise/Mainliner groove-monster deal, completely unlike their more usual 'spazzy-jazzy' approach. Kawabata is clearly on the path to being the most prolific musician of the past 20 years, he's already appeared on about 994 different recordings. Maybe his only real competition is fellow Japanese underground psych/noise/freak-out artist Keiji Haino who's appeared on about 991 different recordings. OW my wallet is hurting. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 2 18:05:44 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Uncle Juan's on Mars) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:05:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers All Final Call Message-ID: Too bad this one is too late to make the HW Covers compilation - there's a new 2CD compilation called 'Sucking the 70's' with a bunch of stoner rock bands covering 70's tunes and one of them is Los Natas from Argentina doing Brainstorm. Haven't heard it yet, but Los Natas is supposed to soon be releasing a new disc on Ektro records, Circle's label, so that's a connection that bodes well. Stephan From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 2 18:05:58 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:05:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Acid Mothers Temple Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:58:51 -0500, Stephan Forstner wrote: > Kawabata is clearly on the path to being the most prolific musician > of the past 20 years, he's already appeared on about 994 different > recordings. Maybe his only real competition is fellow Japanese > underground psych/noise/freak-out artist Keiji Haino who's appeared > on about 991 different recordings. OW my wallet is hurting. ... and THAT, my friends, explains why I've completely given up on both artists (but I still own all the early Haino/Fushitsusha vinyl on PSF, even though the guy has, at times, made life hell for a couple of close friends). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Dec 2 18:13:50 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:13:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: + ++ STAR WARRIORS URGENT !!! Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those that have already bought tickets ! The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: www.hawkwind.com This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 2 19:19:41 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:41 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: A filming offer?? If anyone complains about it they deserve to be shot down in the night!!!. Salivating in anticipation of any film footage whatsoever. Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > URGENT !!! > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those that > have already bought tickets ! > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > www.hawkwind.com > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 2 22:12:53 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:42:53 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: Filming in Morocco!!! Holy sheep sheeeeit!! That ought to be nice. Is that anywhere near Australia - hahaha - This is Australia calling.......... Australia calling......... The flying doctor needs a fix...... over...... ((Hawkwind)) Have fun in Morocco chaps! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > URGENT !!! > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those that > have already bought tickets ! > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > www.hawkwind.com > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 2 22:16:20 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:46:20 +1030 Subject: Night of the Hawk Message-ID: Nee worries, Its a beaut song eh! I love that spoken verse ---- > > > The curious folk who chanced to stray > > Across this downland way > > Heard the music blast apart > > The games that politicians start > > On English land the people dance > > Like moths caught in a lamp > > Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut > > All waiting to encamp so we found ouselves a place .... etc very very cool indeed ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Night of the Hawk > Cheers Mate! > > It;s that second verse that I always fall down on! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 3 00:06:00 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:06:00 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: I can think of some great locations in West Australia that can be filmed in!!! William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > Filming in Morocco!!! Holy sheep sheeeeit!! That ought to be nice. Is > that anywhere near Australia - hahaha - > This is Australia calling.......... > Australia calling......... > The flying doctor needs a fix...... > over...... > > ((Hawkwind)) Have fun in Morocco chaps! > > Mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rik Rx > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > URGENT !!! > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > that > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Dec 3 03:06:08 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:06:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! In-Reply-To: <000f01c29a61$ad2232c0$e4cb223f@studio> Message-ID: Hmmm! Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? Any connection? Horse > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > URGENT !!! > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those that > have already bought tickets ! > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > www.hawkwind.com > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 03:55:39 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:55:39 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: > > I derive my position from the Bards, Tyner and Lydon: > "the future's here right now, if you control your own destiny" > and > "no future!" And Bloom. "Dominance! Submission!" Err, sorry, wrong list... ;-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 04:33:56 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:33:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: Hmm - half asleep here... I thought that was Tunisia? (For the first film anyway...) Cheers, Rich. > Hmmm! > > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? > Any connection? > > > > Horse > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > URGENT !!! > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > that > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 04:41:48 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:41:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: Boo Hoo !!, I can't believe it !!!, I've just bought six tickets ( max you can buy from academy in one go), and was about to buy 8 more today. I had the whole trash view posse wired up for the Bristol event. I even had my wife coming, she's been complaining to everyone about it, and now the band have given her the opertunity to possibly weedle out of it. I say NO brock, you do this gig, its taken 10 years to get her to watch you and i've bought the special eye & ear kit to make sure that she doesn't miss a second. A couple of those blue pills from "queens of delirium" might help as well , At least the show will be coming back in the new year............ And Bristol so needed a xmas party of its own See you all at Walthemstow...... and thanks for the heads up..... will keep the tickets ( but im sure the good lady will be trying her hardest ) Regards And best of luck with that Moroccan trip , Nice hashish over there BTW Rik Rx wrote: >+ ++ STAR WARRIORS > >URGENT !!! >Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, >The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates >for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ >However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be >announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those that >have already bought tickets ! > >The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will >make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > >More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: >www.hawkwind.com > >This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > >+ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 3 06:25:34 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:55:34 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: then next to South Australia - theres some exellent spots for filming here ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > I can think of some great locations in West Australia that can be filmed > in!!! > > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > > > > Filming in Morocco!!! Holy sheep sheeeeit!! That ought to be nice. Is > > that anywhere near Australia - hahaha - > > This is Australia calling.......... > > Australia calling......... > > The flying doctor needs a fix...... > > over...... > > > > ((Hawkwind)) Have fun in Morocco chaps! > > > > Mb > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rik Rx > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:43 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > > > > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > URGENT !!! > > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > > that > > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 3 06:27:55 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:55 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: hmmmm - dunno abbot that - they make good hash tho dont they? ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > Hmmm! > > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? > Any connection? > > > > Horse > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > URGENT !!! > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > that > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Dec 3 07:56:59 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! In-Reply-To: <004101c29abf$0681dc00$02d1223f@studio> Message-ID: Yes they do and oddly enough ..... Go to the back of the class Horse you stoned idiot! On 3 Dec 2002 at 21:57, Michael Blackman wrote: > hmmmm - dunno abbot that - they make good hash tho dont they? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Horse > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > > > > Hmmm! > > > > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed > (Tatooine sets)? > > Any connection? > > > > > > > > Horse > > > > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > URGENT !!! > > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > > that > > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 3 08:11:43 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:41:43 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: Next to the window so you can have anuva smoke 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > Yes they do and oddly enough ..... > > Go to the back of the class Horse you stoned idiot! > > > On 3 Dec 2002 at 21:57, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > hmmmm - dunno abbot that - they make good hash tho dont they? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Horse > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! > > > > > > > Hmmm! > > > > > > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed > > (Tatooine sets)? > > > Any connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > Horse > > > > > > > > > > + ++ STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > > > URGENT !!! > > > > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > > > > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > > > > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ > > > > However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be > > > > announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those > > > that > > > > have already bought tickets ! > > > > > > > > The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will > > > > make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > > > > > > > > More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > > > This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > > > > > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + > > > > > > > > From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Dec 3 08:24:41 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:24:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: "originals" Message-ID: Spirit of Delay wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:23:22 -0500, John McIntyre > wrote: > > >Does he mention Otto Leuning and Vladimar Ussachevsky, who were using tape > >delay techniques back in the fifties? > > Not at all. Did they actually do real-time creation and manipulations, or > were they doing musique concrete playback of pre-recorded/edited sounds? Hmm, that is an interesting dividing point. I don't know. Tape playback was their primary medium. I don't know if they did real-time performances. Time to re-read Leuning's autobiography, I guess. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 3 08:51:59 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:59 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: <035b01c29aa9$c14a55a0$fd9423d9@bernard> Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >> I derive my position from the Bards, Tyner and Lydon: >> "the future's here right now, if you control your own destiny" >> and >> "no future!" > > And Bloom. "Dominance! Submission!" Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. Bloom made the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. So, Raise your mirror shades on high and stay on tour forever Your best years have passed you by, but you're still Godzilla in leather Happy 58th Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 3 08:09:45 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:09:45 EDT Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3 Dec 2002 at 8:51, Brian Halligan wrote: > Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. Bloom > made the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. > > So, > Raise your mirror shades on high and stay on tour forever > Your best years have passed you by, but you're still Godzilla in > leather > > Happy 58th > And many more, EB! Anyone else notice that he appears without shades in the DVD during some backstage footage? theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Tue Dec 3 10:28:25 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:28:25 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: > > > And many more, EB! Anyone else notice that he appears > without shades in the > DVD during some backstage footage? When I first saw it, I didn't think it was E.Bloom, but I woke up Joe Bouchard with patent leather boots on like Richard told me, another hack on the Spectres tour. (though you gotta like the note the minute men added, after seeing BOC in '85, they thought the lyric should be "I dreamed i was E. Bloom but I woke up E.Bloom" in tourspiel we trust, J From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Dec 3 13:20:17 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:20:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! In-Reply-To: <200212022313.SAA23044@listserv.spc.edu>; from hw@CY-B.ORG on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:13:50PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:13:50PM -0500, Rik Rx wrote: > Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, > The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates > for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ Oh, man, am I glad I decided not to stay for those last two dates. Morocco, though? Right on! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Dec 3 13:25:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:25:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! In-Reply-To: <3DEC65F0.29892.2E51E7B@localhost>; from horse@DARKSTAR.UK.NET on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 08:06:08AM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 08:06:08AM -0000, Horse wrote: > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? > Any connection? "Assassins" in the Fez spice market? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 16:19:23 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:19:23 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >> > >> I derive my position from the Bards, Tyner and Lydon: > >> "the future's here right now, if you control your own destiny" > >> and > >> "no future!" > > > > And Bloom. "Dominance! Submission!" > > Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. Bloom made > the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. Was he?! Any chance of a scan of it? (No paper in the UK mentioned it) > > So, > Raise your mirror shades on high and stay on tour forever > Your best years have passed you by, but you're still Godzilla in leather > > Happy 58th 58th? Are you sure? Cheers, Rich. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 15:57:18 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:57:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! - oh for goodness sake Message-ID: oh sod it. Sod it. Damn it. Blast it. Bugger it. I'd arranged holidays specially. I've just within the last couple of days bought plane tickets specially to Bristol so I could get between there and London with minimal hassle. They are non refundable. I've run out of holidays. I can't possibly arrange anything else at this notice. And I thought I might manage a quick trip to Birmingham as well. Hah! Who's the foolish idiot now. First the Rock Classic nonsense in London now this. why did I bother - why on earth do I bother?? What a waste of money. Damn it all jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 3 16:31:09 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:31:09 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: <051801c29b11$a749dbe0$fd9423d9@bernard> Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: >> Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. Bloom > made >> the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. > > Was he?! Any chance of a scan of it? (No paper in the UK mentioned it) It was in Sunday's Syracuse Post Standard. If Theo has it, he might be able to do a scan, but I was just in town for Thanksgiving week. >> Happy 58th > > 58th? Are you sure? Yep. Here's a link that confirms it: http://www.genealogytoday.com/birthday/december.html He also shares a birthday with Richard Pryor and Marco Polo, among others. Brian Who shares a birthday with Paul Newman, Eddie Van Halen and Wayne Gretsky From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 3 18:57:21 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:57:21 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:31:09 -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: >Yep. Here's a link that confirms it: > >http://www.genealogytoday.com/birthday/december.html > >He also shares a birthday with Richard Pryor and Marco Polo, among others. > >Brian >Who shares a birthday with Paul Newman, Eddie Van Halen and Wayne Gretsky Oh, hell. I just looked there and found that I share a birthday with Theo's favorite drummer! -Doug (get those roto-toms OUT of my head!) jasret at mindspring.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 16:21:49 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:21:49 -0000 Subject: BOC: Eric Message-ID: Oh bugger - just spilled ash all over my keyboard... Erm, anyway, Eric, 58? Anyone want to confirm or deny this? Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 03:58:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:58:37 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame Message-ID: Good grief. Who'd have thunk it? Cheers, Rich. (Who shares his birthday with Danny DeVito and Martin Scorcese) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >> Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. Bloom > > made > >> the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. > > > > Was he?! Any chance of a scan of it? (No paper in the UK mentioned it) > > It was in Sunday's Syracuse Post Standard. If Theo has it, he might be able > to do a scan, but I was just in town for Thanksgiving week. > > >> Happy 58th > > > > 58th? Are you sure? > > Yep. Here's a link that confirms it: > > http://www.genealogytoday.com/birthday/december.html > > He also shares a birthday with Richard Pryor and Marco Polo, among others. > > Brian > Who shares a birthday with Paul Newman, Eddie Van Halen and Wayne Gretsky > From rockypaths at MSN.COM Wed Dec 4 04:51:14 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:51:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: I believe Star Wars was filmed in Tunisia! ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Siegerman Sent: 03 December 2002 19:30 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 08:06:08AM -0000, Horse wrote: > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? > Any connection? "Assassins" in the Fez spice market? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 4 05:03:32 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:33:32 +1030 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: You're all wrong. It was filmed in a galaxy far, far away. Tatooine was the the desert planet. Are you all mad? It is so clearly stated in the movie. 8>B ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Norman To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! I believe Star Wars was filmed in Tunisia! ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Siegerman Sent: 03 December 2002 19:30 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 08:06:08AM -0000, Horse wrote: > Morocco eh? Isn't that where a lot of Star Wars stuff gets filmed (Tatooine sets)? > Any connection? "Assassins" in the Fez spice market? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Dec 4 05:58:42 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:58:42 EST Subject: BOC: Eric Message-ID: Eric turned 58 on 12/1 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:15:45 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:15:45 GMT Subject: Anyone going to Newcastle? Message-ID: Opening night tonight.... Which pub? Looks like it's feasible from Edinburgh i I leave at 10pm and get the last London Train back to Edinburgh. The web page says they'll come on at 8.30pm so it might just about work out. Otherwse I suppose I'll hae one of those tapes that the neo-quarkers will forever be discussing why the encore is missing... Ignition Sequence Starts.... FoFP P.S: Any tips on hotels in Brighton? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 06:25:09 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:25:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Eric In-Reply-To: <54.3b2cc22.2b1f39e2@aol.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2002 at 5:58, Chuck Saden wrote: > Eric turned 58 on 12/1 Yep, and he wears it pretty well, too. He looks great in the DVD. Looks like maybe he grew his hair a little longer, or even got some hair extensions or something for the video. Because he didn't look as good when I saw them 23 Nov. But for a guy pushing 60 he looks about 20 years younger than Jagger... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 06:29:29 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:29:29 EDT Subject: BOC/OFF: the rock and roll hall of fame In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3 Dec 2002 at 16:31, Brian Halligan wrote: > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >> Which reminds me...of last night. I mean, it reminds me that Mr. > >> Bloom > > made > >> the paper last week. He was listed under the celebrity birthdays. > > > > Was he?! Any chance of a scan of it? (No paper in the UK mentioned > > it) > > It was in Sunday's Syracuse Post Standard. If Theo has it, he might be > able to do a scan, but I was just in town for Thanksgiving week. > No kidding? What section was it in? I'll take a look for it... theo From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 4 07:41:40 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:41:40 +0000 Subject: Anyone going to Newcastle? Message-ID: I'll be there Mike. I should get into Newcastle at 6. I don't think the choice of pub was too good last time ;-) What about the Irish Pub Opposite Central Station since thats pretty close to the venue? The name escapes me ONEILLS?? Un less anyone has a better suggestion. I will be wearing Turquoise TyeDye or Dubious Hippy Multi Coloured Sweater depending on temperature :-) Mike Bring the Gorilla Mask it might scare Tim into not singing. When are they going to get some trains that run after 9/10 at night :-) It's just no good for touring I will be at Manchester/Liverpool/Walthamstow as well. Rich W > from: M Holmes > date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:15:45 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: Re: Anyone going to Newcastle? > > Opening night tonight.... > > Which pub? > > Looks like it's feasible from Edinburgh i I leave at 10pm and get the > last London Train back to Edinburgh. The web page says they'll come on > at 8.30pm so it might just about work out. Otherwse I suppose I'll hae > one of those tapes that the neo-quarkers will forever be discussing why > the encore is missing... > > Ignition Sequence Starts.... > > FoFP > > P.S: Any tips on hotels in Brighton? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 07:47:06 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:47:06 GMT Subject: Anyone going to Newcastle? In-Reply-To: Rich Warren's message of Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:41:40 +0000 Message-ID: Rich Warren writes: > I'll be there Mike. I should get into Newcastle at 6. > I don't think the choice of pub was too good last time ;-) > What about the Irish Pub Opposite Central Station since thats pretty > close to the venue? The name escapes me ONEILLS?? Un less anyone has a > better suggestion. Sounds OK if it does food? > Mike Bring the Gorilla Mask it might scare Tim into not singing. Good plan, but I'm already at work without it. I'll reprise my "Urban Gorilla" role a the xmas party instead... > When are they going to get some trains that run after 9/10 at night > :-) It's just no good for touring Yeah, it's crap. > I will be at Manchester/Liverpool/Walthamstow as well. I'll be at Brighton and Walthamstow. I'd have gone to Manchester/Liverpool if they were on consecutive nights. FoFP From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 4 07:48:31 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:48:31 +0000 Subject: HW:December Classic Rock Article Message-ID: Heres a scan of of the HW Article in Decembers Classic Rock for those people that missed it since the Christmas Issue hit the shelves so quickly ;-) Enjoy: http://www.star-pix.demon.co.uk/hw/hw_cr_dec02.gif Rich W From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Dec 4 08:23:06 2002 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:23:06 EST Subject: BOC: Eric Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2002 6:25:45 AM Central Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > But for a guy > pushing 60 he looks about 20 years younger than Jagger... > The whole band, past and present look great. Well, okay, Allen reminds me of a 1000 year old vampire...but he hasn't aged a day for a while ;-) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 07:47:17 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:47:17 EDT Subject: BOC: Eric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2002 at 8:23, Chuck Saden wrote: > The whole band, past and present look great. Well, okay, Allen > reminds me of a 1000 year old vampire...but he hasn't aged a day for a > while ;-) Right, Allen looked like that 20 years ago, but he hasn't changed since then! theo From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Dec 4 10:00:54 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:54 -0400 Subject: HW:Mike Burro interview from 12/3 now uploaded to station archives. listen now! Message-ID: The interview for 'struzzin radio', went wonderfully. The non commercial broadcast lasted a full 2 hours, and I exchanged views with a professor of musicology. We talked at length about so many topics, and they really probed me for substantive answers, so if you have a chance give a listen to at least some of it ( I know it's long). A direct link to the interview itself is the following: http://www.struzzin.com/videos/arcstruzzinspotlight120302.html Cheers! Mike Burro From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 4 10:54:12 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:54:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig Message-ID: Hi folks Is there a good pub in Walthamstow where we can meet before the x-mas gig ? cheers Bernhard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Dec 4 12:04:09 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:04:09 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: One Brighton hotel, and a warning In-Reply-To: <200212041115.LAA10419@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 11:15:45AM +0000 Message-ID: [I've broadened the topic to HW/OFF since my warning at the bottom is relevent to anyone travelling in the UK or France, whether for Hawkwind or otherwise. Replies re. Brighton in particular should be set back to just HW.] > [Newcastle?] Nope, I'm joining the parade tomorrow night in Stoke. On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 11:15:45AM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > P.S: Any tips on hotels in Brighton? Darn, I have a long list of them, but it's at home, and so's the URL I got it from, and I'm heading to the airport tonight direct from work. I'm staying at: The Brighton Marina House 8 Charlotte St. BN2 1AG Voice: +44 (0)1273 605349 Fax: +44 (0)1273 679484 Picked for no good reason; mostly because (a) it's cheap, and after being forced to spend ?62 in Leeds (Leeds? *Leeds?*), I was in the mood to save some money, and (b) I was burned out on phoning hotels all over England, and just wanted the job *done*. It looks to me as though anything in BN2 will be within walking distance, though perhaps just barely. multimap.com is your friend :-) WARNING re. activehotels.com, aka activebooking.com: Their reservations aren't dependable! I reserved my (first) room in Leeds through them, got a confirmation number and everything; then received email the next day to the effect that it had been cancelled. Turns out the hotel only updates the web site twice a day with new room-availability info, so by the time I made my reservation, all the rooms were already booked -- and the site didn't know that, so "reserved" one for me anyway. My other activehotels booking is fine -- which I know because I phoned the hotel to verify it. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Dec 4 12:10:08 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:10:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig In-Reply-To: <18Jbqt-0b1YHIC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com>; from bernhard.pospiech@T-ONLINE.DE on Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:54:12PM +0100 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:54:12PM +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Is there a good pub in Walthamstow where we can meet > before the x-mas gig ? That place we met last year (can't recall the name)? A bit west of the venue on the north side of Forest Road, about at Hoe St. I think. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Wed Dec 4 12:31:04 2002 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig Message-ID: Hi there! Yes, there is a nearby pub and if I?m not mistaken that was the meeting-place last year. Henrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig > Hi folks > > Is there a good pub in Walthamstow where we can meet > before the x-mas gig ? > > > cheers > Bernhard > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 11:44:44 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:44:44 EDT Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig In-Reply-To: <20021204121008.B14471@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2002 at 12:10, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:54:12PM +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Is there a good pub in Walthamstow where we can meet > before the > x-mas gig ? > > That place we met last year (can't recall the name)? > > A bit west of the venue on the north side of Forest Road, about > at Hoe St. I think. > Hey, does that intersect with Pimp Ave.? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 11:48:45 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:48:45 EDT Subject: Lemmy in GW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This month's Guitar World includes a feature by Lemmy. It's called '60 minutes' wherin an artist picks 60 mins. worth of tunes he'd put on a comp: 'the hour of music that rocks my world' Anyway, lots of stuff on there that you might not think from Lem, and his comments on the tunes and bands are excellent... theo From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Wed Dec 4 12:55:06 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:55:06 -0500 Subject: Lemmy in GW Message-ID: I remember reading a Mojo magainze (maybe the now defunct record collector offshoot)when lemmy was going through fave 45s of his. He really liked the super raunchy Stones version of "I Wanna be Your Man", but thought that they were shite live at that time. Jones' slide guitar solo is downright evil on that track. ah well. > Anyway, lots of stuff on there that you might not think from > Lem, and his comments > on the tunes and bands are excellent... > > theo > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 4 15:02:10 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:02:10 -0500 Subject: Lemmy in GW Message-ID: In 'White Line Fever', Lemmy goes way out of his way to explain why he likes the Beatles so much more than the Stones. Mostly due to the fact that the Beatles were the "real thing" (genuine lower-middle-class guys who paid their dues with years of work in rough port towns like Liverpool and Hamburg - also the reason why they were a far-superior live band at the time), while the Stones were a bunch of suburban business school students who's "dangerous" image was just that - merely an image (admittedly much more true for Jagger than for Jones). (Personally, I think that "I Wanna Be Your Man" is just about the weakest song that Lennon/McCartney wrote together, but yes, the Brian Jones slide on the Stones' version is great.) He also describes the Damned as being the best "real" punk band ... he says that he considers the Sex Pistols to be a great "rock&roll" (but not punk) band, and he doesn't like the Clash at all (although he says that he liked Joe Strummer's previous band, the 101-ers). Yes, the man's opinions are most interesting and often controversial (god bless 'im!). I'll have to check out that issue of 'Guitar World' ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:55:06 -0500, Scruton, Jason wrote: >I remember reading a Mojo magainze (maybe the now defunct record collector >offshoot)when lemmy was going through fave 45s of his. >He really liked the super raunchy Stones version of "I Wanna be Your Man", >but thought that they were shite live at that time. > >Jones' slide guitar solo is downright evil on that track. >ah well. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Dec 4 14:41:03 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:41:03 -0600 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig In-Reply-To: <20021204121008.B14471@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig : :On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:54:12PM +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: :> Is there a good pub in Walthamstow where we can meet :> before the x-mas gig ? : :That place we met last year (can't recall the name)? : :A bit west of the venue on the north side of Forest Road, about :at Hoe St. I think. Wasn't this "The Bell"? 617 Forest Rd. Walthamstow E17 4NE, tel #020 8531 2779 postcode E17 4NE Thx, Arin (hats off to Jill, who posted the detail for this one last year.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 4 15:38:38 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:38:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: More cowbell! Message-ID: Here is a WWW site for cowbell connoisseurs: http://www.geekspeakweekly.com/cowbell/ (It even includes an audio link to the SNL BOC "Behind the Music" parody. It's a pity they don't have a video link, as it's even more confusing without the visuals, as they get all the band members' names wrong. From memory, I think "Gene" is actually "Eric.") Check out the cowbell database! (Thunk... thunk... thunk... "Mississippi queen..." thunk... thunk... thunk...) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 4 17:08:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:08:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Time to start working on the song placement ... Message-ID: Obviously, a certain Brock/Calvert composition from 'P.X.R.5' needs to be included in this one! http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/04/film.smith.reut/index.html -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 4 18:10:27 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:40:27 +1030 Subject: HW:December Classic Rock Article Message-ID: Thanks for that. That is a great article. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Warren To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: HW:December Classic Rock Article > Heres a scan of of the HW Article in Decembers Classic Rock for those people that missed it since the Christmas Issue hit the shelves so quickly ;-) > > Enjoy: > > http://www.star-pix.demon.co.uk/hw/hw_cr_dec02.gif > > Rich W From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 4 18:46:15 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:46:15 EST Subject: HW: Time to start working on the song placement ... Message-ID: The song might work better than the title. >From the description in the article, it sounds closer to 'The Caves of Steel' than with 'I, Robot!' Joe From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 21:05:04 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:05:04 GMT Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so quick comment and a setlist: Aerospaceage Inferno Angels of Death Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) Master of the Universe The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin Hurry on Sundown Lighthouse The Watcher Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine You Shouldn't Do That -- Sonic Attack Silver Machine We were down near a speaker in the stalls and the sound was a bit muddy and stressed. Dunno if it was the same elsewhere but I hope it gets sorted. It was great to hear Hawkwind do Time Captains with Arthur Brown. I really like that track and I've always hoped they'd cover it. The other Brown track didn't work for me but perhaps that's just lack of familiarity. Arthur also did lead vocals on a few other tracks. he'd have been good on Silver Machine and Master of the Universe if he'd known the lyrics, but that's fixable with a little effort. He was good doing the Gremlin and certainly less hammy than Moorcock on Sonic Attack though not as good as Nik. Sonic Attack finished backed instrumentally by a track I should recognise (Anna Seed?) but couldn't quite place (anyone?). Highlights of the evening were The Watcher and Shouldn't Do That with Song of the Gremlin and Time Captains getting honourable mention. Best effort goes to Alan and Richard with Alan very clearly enjoying himself. Arthur went at his part with gusto and Huw perked up towards the end. Dave looked out from behind the keyboard a couple of times and looked pleased to be out here again. Tim's set I'm sorry to say lacked punch and was only 30 minutes which most of the audience talked through. I'd say to Tim: if you don't want to sing New Jerusalem then that's cool, just blast the track out a la Waterfalls in Space. Play around with the track and have fun and we'll love it. Of the set, Tide of the century worked best. In Summary: Hawkwind have cleared the tower but aren't yet at Throttle Up. FoFP From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Dec 4 21:33:21 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:33:21 -0600 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Well, what a trip....is Arthur Brown getting to be more in the fold as and official Hawkwind member, in light of the fact that he's been gigging with them lately? Or is it on a sporadic basis? Guest spot on new album or full fledged member? Hmmmmmmm....... From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 4 22:48:19 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:18:19 +1030 Subject: hawkestra cd's Message-ID: Was having a listen and fondly recalling singing along with several songs in the audience especially Assault & battery coz you can very clearly hear the audience singing along. Tis a fond memory. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 4 22:45:24 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:15:24 +1030 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Is he the chap who sang silver machine at the 2001 Canturbury gig? (November I think it was) And forgive my ignorance here. But who is Arthur Brown and how does he fit in with the Hawkwind scene? signed The canadian colonial boy down unda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > Well, what a trip....is Arthur Brown getting to be more in the fold as and > official Hawkwind member, in light of the fact that he's been gigging with > them lately? Or is it on a sporadic basis? Guest spot on new album or full > fledged member? > > Hmmmmmmm....... From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Thu Dec 5 02:25:53 2002 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?=) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:25:53 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Newcastle 4.12.2002 Message-ID: Hello ! Can anyone tell me how long the gig was ? Thanks From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 02:36:18 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:36:18 +0000 Subject: HW:December Classic Rock Article In-Reply-To: <8214904.1039006111739.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: I missed that issue so thanks for doing this Rich. I think Dave Brock summed up the situation rather well there. AL --- Rich Warren wrote: > Heres a scan of of the HW Article in Decembers > Classic Rock for those people that missed it since > the Christmas Issue hit the shelves so quickly ;-) > > Enjoy: > > http://www.star-pix.demon.co.uk/hw/hw_cr_dec02.gif > > Rich W __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 03:03:29 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:03:29 +0000 Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <00b201c29c10$bf023d40$e0cd223f@studio> Message-ID: Arthur Brown is mostly remembered for the classic 60s single "Fire", you'd know it if it was played to you. He used to perform it with a sort of tray strapped to the top of his head which was full of some flammable liquid which he would light, and occasionally burn himself etc. Others on the list will be able to give a more accurate appraisal of his career I'm sure. His significance to HW is that he was always admired by Dave Brock. Whenever you read articles or interviews about the early days of HW and what their influences were, Brock often mentions Arthur Brown as an example of somebody who was always doing something interesting on stage, always trying to liven up the performance. This led to HW always having dancers, fire eaters, mime artists and the like. So the AB connection is not a musical or personnel thing, I think it's more to do with inspiration and Dave Brock's whole philosophy of what a good HW gig should be about. I'm sure Brock is pleased as punch to have AB along as a guest. AL --- Michael Blackman wrote: > Is he the chap who sang silver machine at the 2001 > Canturbury gig? (November > I think it was) > > And forgive my ignorance here. But who is Arthur > Brown and how does he fit > in with the Hawkwind scene? > > signed > The canadian colonial boy down unda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Clark > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > > Well, what a trip....is Arthur Brown getting to be > more in the fold as and > > official Hawkwind member, in light of the fact > that he's been gigging with > > them lately? Or is it on a sporadic basis? Guest > spot on new album or > full > > fledged member? > > > > Hmmmmmmm....... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 03:22:51 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:52:51 +1030 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: Cheers. I'll try to find some material from Arthur Brown to have a listen. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Linsley To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: Arthur Brown > Arthur Brown is mostly remembered for the classic 60s > single "Fire", you'd know it if it was played to you. > He used to perform it with a sort of tray strapped to > the top of his head which was full of some flammable > liquid which he would light, and occasionally burn > himself etc. Others on the list will be able to give > a more accurate appraisal of his career I'm sure. > > His significance to HW is that he was always admired > by Dave Brock. Whenever you read articles or > interviews about the early days of HW and what their > influences were, Brock often mentions Arthur Brown as > an example of somebody who was always doing something > interesting on stage, always trying to liven up the > performance. This led to HW always having dancers, > fire eaters, mime artists and the like. So the AB > connection is not a musical or personnel thing, I > think it's more to do with inspiration and Dave > Brock's whole philosophy of what a good HW gig should > be about. I'm sure Brock is pleased as punch to have > AB along as a guest. > > AL > --- Michael Blackman > wrote: > Is he the chap who sang silver machine at the > 2001 > > Canturbury gig? (November > > I think it was) > > > > And forgive my ignorance here. But who is Arthur > > Brown and how does he fit > > in with the Hawkwind scene? > > > > signed > > The canadian colonial boy down unda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Clark > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:03 PM > > Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > > > > > Well, what a trip....is Arthur Brown getting to be > > more in the fold as and > > > official Hawkwind member, in light of the fact > > that he's been gigging with > > > them lately? Or is it on a sporadic basis? Guest > > spot on new album or > > full > > > fledged member? > > > > > > Hmmmmmmm....... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 5 03:33:54 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:33:54 +0800 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: > His significance to HW is that he was always admired > by Dave Brock. Whenever you read articles or > interviews about the early days of HW and what their > influences were, Brock often mentions Arthur Brown as > an example of somebody who was always doing something > interesting on stage, always trying to liven up the > performance. This led to HW always having dancers, > fire eaters, mime artists and the like. So the AB > connection is not a musical or personnel thing, I > think it's more to do with inspiration and Dave > Brock's whole philosophy of what a good HW gig should > be about. I'm sure Brock is pleased as punch to have > AB along as a guest. And he made a guest appearance on Robert Calvert, Captain Lockhead & The Starfighters, doing vocals on The Gremlin. Incidentally, Other great tracks to look out for with him on vocals include The Tell-Tale Heart on Alan Parsons' Mystery & Imagination, as well as on Klause Schultz' Dune. William From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 04:09:25 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:09:25 +0000 Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <005d01c29c39$0d6cd3a0$a3c63bcb@xl5> Message-ID: Ha! Can't believe I forgot that. too early in the morning. I'll get me coat... AL --- William Duffy wrote: > And he made a guest appearance on Robert Calvert, > Captain Lockhead & The > Starfighters, doing vocals on The Gremlin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 05:48:40 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:48:40 GMT Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:05:04 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so quick > comment and a setlist: > > Aerospaceage Inferno > Angels of Death > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > Master of the Universe > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > Hurry on Sundown > Lighthouse > The Watcher > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > You Shouldn't Do That > -- > Sonic Attack > Silver Machine And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 05:49:00 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:49:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Newcastle 4.12.2002 In-Reply-To: Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?='s message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?= writes: > Hello ! > > Can anyone tell me how long the gig was ? I'd guess about 80 minutes. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 06:06:56 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:06:56 GMT Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?='s message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:03:29 +0000 Message-ID: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?= writes: > Arthur Brown is mostly remembered for the classic 60s > single "Fire", you'd know it if it was played to you. > He used to perform it with a sort of tray strapped to > the top of his head which was full of some flammable > liquid which he would light, and occasionally burn > himself etc. Others on the list will be able to give > a more accurate appraisal of his career I'm sure. Not a tray, a hat with several nozzles. The hat was filled with flammable liquid and fire burned from the nozzles. I saw him in Edinburgh in 19965 on his comeback tour and he was excellent. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 06:58:59 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:28:59 +1030 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: 19965?? Wow!! Talk about welcome to the future!! How was it. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Brown > =?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?= writes: > > > Arthur Brown is mostly remembered for the classic 60s > > single "Fire", you'd know it if it was played to you. > > He used to perform it with a sort of tray strapped to > > the top of his head which was full of some flammable > > liquid which he would light, and occasionally burn > > himself etc. Others on the list will be able to give > > a more accurate appraisal of his career I'm sure. > > Not a tray, a hat with several nozzles. The hat was filled with > flammable liquid and fire burned from the nozzles. > > > I saw him in Edinburgh in 19965 on his comeback tour and he was excellent. > > FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 07:03:44 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:33:44 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind Newcastle 4.12.2002 Message-ID: Oh go on. Brag, brag, brag. "I saw a Hawkwind concert......" Yes - Im green wiff envy lol I hope you had a brilliant time. Green with envy but happy for everyone at the same time. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Newcastle 4.12.2002 > Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?= writes: > > > Hello ! > > > > Can anyone tell me how long the gig was ? > > I'd guess about 80 minutes. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 07:08:43 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:08:43 GMT Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:28:59 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > 19965?? Wow!! Talk about welcome to the future!! How was it. ;-) Surely you meant "how will it be?" FoFP From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 07:20:11 2002 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:11 +0000 Subject: Lemmy & The Damned In-Reply-To: <200212042002.PAA05134@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: From the Damned website (www.officialdamned.com) : Members of The Damned will be involved in a recording session with Lemmy from M?torhead early next year. Details are pretty sketchy at the moment but the recording is scheduled for late Jan/early Feb and should feature Vanian, Sensible and Pinch along with Lemmy on bass. It's not the first time that the band have recorded with Lemmy and M?torhead, back in 1979 both bands joined forces in the studio and briefly created M?torDamned. Expect other high profile artists to appear and the resulting racket to be unleashed around 2004!! From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Dec 5 07:26:11 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:26:11 +0000 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: Now we see the problem the Eternal Champion has whenever he meets himself in the past/future ! :o) Glad to see 'Out of the Shadows' back in the set. Cheers Neil M Holmes @LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> on 05/12/2002 12:08:43 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent by: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU cc: Subject: Re: Arthur Brown Michael Blackman writes: > 19965?? Wow!! Talk about welcome to the future!! How was it. ;-) Surely you meant "how will it be?" FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 07:18:43 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:48:43 +1030 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: nah - keep it a surprise. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Brown > Michael Blackman writes: > > > 19965?? Wow!! Talk about welcome to the future!! How was it. ;-) > > Surely you meant "how will it be?" > > FoFP From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 5 10:15:55 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:15:55 -0000 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: Would it not be: "How willen onbe it have been?" ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Brown > Michael Blackman writes: > > > 19965?? Wow!! Talk about welcome to the future!! How was it. ;-) > > Surely you meant "how will it be?" > > FoFP > From M.R.Godwin at BATH.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 11:14:16 2002 From: M.R.Godwin at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:14:16 +0000 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, William Duffy wrote: > And he made a guest appearance on Robert Calvert, Captain Lockhead & The > Starfighters, doing vocals on The Gremlin. > Incidentally, Other great tracks to look out for with him on vocals include > The Tell-Tale Heart on Alan Parsons' Mystery & Imagination, as well as on > Klause Schultz' Dune. The first and best Crazy World of Arthur Brown gig I ever saw was at Alexandra Palace in July(?) 1967. Absolutely sensational costumes, including an insect cloak as well as the "Fire" outfit already described. Vincent Crane working extremely hard playing organ, bass-pedals (no bass-player) and backing vocals ("You're gonna burn, Brown! He-he-he!"). Something always went wrong at subsequent gigs. The Savile Theatre show supporting Hendrix was cancelled when the owner, Brian Epstein, died (I asked Arthur what he died of, and received the uninformative response "He died of death"). The famous Sunbury Festival appearance went wrong when the pyrotechnics didn't work ("I am the god of hellfire and I bring you - oh shit!"). At Bath Pavilion he'd broken his leg and couldn't do his awe-inspriring hop from side to side while rolling his head all around dance. By that time original drummer Drachen Theaker had joined Arthur Lee in Love and been replaced by Carl Palmer. Whatever happened to him? :) Arthur Brown appears with his next band, Kingdom Come, in the film of the 1971 Glastonbury Fayre, doing a very odd burning cross routine. The last thing I saw him credited on was a Peter Green tribute CD, on which he sang "The green manalishi (with the two-prong crown)". Glad to hear that he's back performing. - Mike Godwin From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Dec 5 11:12:04 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:12:04 -0500 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: Michael Blackman wrote: > Cheers. I'll try to find some material from Arthur Brown to have a listen. Do exercise caution. There's the first Crazy World of Arthur Brown album with "Fire" and organ by Vincent Crane and drums by Carl Palmer who went on to form Atomic Rooster before Palmer got his big break with ELP. Years later an album appeared that claimed to be the second album by Crazy World. I'm blanking on the title because it was pretty bad. It sounded as if Arthur hadn't finished writing the songs and was just sorta going through the vocals while the band tried to jam along. Arthur then formed a band called Kingdom Come that put out three great albums. The third album, Journey, actually got released in the US and was probably the first rock album to use a drum machine rather than a drummer. With Arthur's permission, the keyboard player continued to use the name Kingdom Come and recorded an album, but I don't know if that album ever saw official release. Years later a Led Zeppelin like band used the name Kingdom Come for a few albums, so be careful which one you're getting. I've been very disappointed in the solo albums I've heard post-Kingdom Come. But the first Crazy World and the three Kingdom Come albums are great. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 11:30:18 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:00:18 +1030 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: I like the idea of the wild costumes etc. Sounds very interesting. Apologies to anyone re my previous comments on the Canterbury 2001 gig. But he did sound a bit like tom jones ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael R Godwin To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Arthur Brown > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, William Duffy wrote: > > And he made a guest appearance on Robert Calvert, Captain Lockhead & The > > Starfighters, doing vocals on The Gremlin. > > Incidentally, Other great tracks to look out for with him on vocals include > > The Tell-Tale Heart on Alan Parsons' Mystery & Imagination, as well as on > > Klause Schultz' Dune. > > The first and best Crazy World of Arthur Brown gig I ever saw was at > Alexandra Palace in July(?) 1967. Absolutely sensational costumes, > including an insect cloak as well as the "Fire" outfit already described. > Vincent Crane working extremely hard playing organ, bass-pedals (no > bass-player) and backing vocals ("You're gonna burn, Brown! He-he-he!"). > > Something always went wrong at subsequent gigs. The Savile Theatre show > supporting Hendrix was cancelled when the owner, Brian Epstein, died (I > asked Arthur what he died of, and received the uninformative response "He > died of death"). The famous Sunbury Festival appearance went wrong when > the pyrotechnics didn't work ("I am the god of hellfire and I bring you - > oh shit!"). At Bath Pavilion he'd broken his leg and couldn't do his > awe-inspriring hop from side to side while rolling his head all around > dance. By that time original drummer Drachen Theaker had joined Arthur Lee > in Love and been replaced by Carl Palmer. Whatever happened to him? :) > > Arthur Brown appears with his next band, Kingdom Come, in the film of the > 1971 Glastonbury Fayre, doing a very odd burning cross routine. > > The last thing I saw him credited on was a Peter Green tribute CD, on > which he sang "The green manalishi (with the two-prong crown)". Glad to > hear that he's back performing. > > - Mike Godwin > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Dec 5 13:47:37 2002 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:47:37 -0500 Subject: Another Lemmy book??? Message-ID: Straight Whisky: A Living History of Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll on the Sunset Strip by Erik Quisling , Lemmy Kilmister , Austin B. Williams Anyone heard of this? The release date is April 2003. Dan From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 15:21:57 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:21:57 -0000 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <200212051048.KAA19902@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Good Evening I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher was definitely a highlight I didn?t care for the Eleanor Rigby instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being videoed by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim mentioned during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at the BBC that afternoon I assume it wasn?t a strange joke. His set seemed plagued by equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing so much guitar. From where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound was very clear. I must say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as good as any I've seen I do hope we will hear a studio album soon Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle M Holmes writes: > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > quick comment and a setlist: > > Aerospaceage Inferno > Angels of Death > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > Master of the Universe > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > Hurry on Sundown > Lighthouse > The Watcher > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > You Shouldn't Do That > -- > Sonic Attack > Silver Machine And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" FoFP From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 5 15:36:03 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:36:03 -0500 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:33:54 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >And he made a guest appearance on Robert Calvert, Captain Lockhead & The >Starfighters, doing vocals on The Gremlin. As an additional HW connection, Ade Shaw was briefly in his backing band (pre-Magic Muscle, I believe for Ade, and between the Crazy World and Kingdown Come for Arthur ... or possibly an early Kingdom Come lineup), although I don't think anything was recorded (correct me if I'm wrong, please!). During much of the 1980s, Arthur was living in Texas (hmmmm ... like Michael Moorcock does), and members of Austin spacerock band ST37 did some work with him. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Dec 5 16:49:47 2002 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:49:47 +0100 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <000001c29c9b$f6bc6180$97ff193e@z4q6n9> Message-ID: Well, can we have the line-up please ? I was hoping for a new track so we could hear some comments on that but.. Kenneth >Good Evening > I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist >although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher >was definitely a highlight I didn?t care for the Eleanor Rigby >instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being videoed >by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim mentioned >during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at the BBC that >afternoon I assume it wasn?t a strange joke. His set seemed plagued by >equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing so much guitar. From >where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound was very clear. I must >say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as good as any I've seen I >do hope we will hear a studio album soon >Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of M Holmes >Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > >M Holmes writes: > > > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > > quick comment and a setlist: > > > > Aerospaceage Inferno > > Angels of Death > > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > > > Master of the Universe > > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > > Hurry on Sundown > > Lighthouse > > The Watcher > > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > > You Shouldn't Do That > > -- > > Sonic Attack > > Silver Machine > >And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" > >FoFP ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 18:16:01 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:16:01 -0000 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good Evening For the record the line up was Dave Brock Guitar Synth Vocals Alan Davey Bass Vocals Richard Chadwick Drums Huw Lloyd Langton Guitar Tim Blake Synth keys Vocals Arthur Brown Vocals trousers No dancers, fire eaters, or similar -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson Sent: 05 December 2002 09:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle Well, can we have the line-up please ? I was hoping for a new track so we could hear some comments on that but.. Kenneth >Good Evening > I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist >although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher >was definitely a highlight I didn?t care for the Eleanor Rigby >instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being >videoed by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim >mentioned during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at >the BBC that afternoon I assume it wasn?t a strange joke. His set >seemed plagued by equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing >so much guitar. From where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound >was very clear. I must say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as >good as any I've seen I do hope we will hear a studio album soon Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of M Holmes >Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > >M Holmes writes: > > > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > > quick comment and a setlist: > > > > Aerospaceage Inferno > > Angels of Death > > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > > > Master of the Universe > > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > > Hurry on Sundown > > Lighthouse > > The Watcher > > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > > You Shouldn't Do That > > -- > > Sonic Attack > > Silver Machine > >And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" > >FoFP ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Dec 5 18:25:37 2002 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:37 +0100 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <000001c29cb4$47f54d60$363787d9@z4q6n9> Message-ID: So where's mister House ? >Good Evening > For the record the line up was >Dave Brock Guitar Synth Vocals >Alan Davey Bass Vocals >Richard Chadwick Drums >Huw Lloyd Langton Guitar >Tim Blake Synth keys Vocals >Arthur Brown Vocals trousers >No dancers, fire eaters, or similar > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson >Sent: 05 December 2002 09:50 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > >Well, can we have the line-up please ? I was hoping for a new track so >we could hear some comments on that but.. > >Kenneth > > >Good Evening > > I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist > >although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher > > >was definitely a highlight I didn?t care for the Eleanor Rigby > >instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being > >videoed by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim > >mentioned during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at > >the BBC that afternoon I assume it wasn?t a strange joke. His set > >seemed plagued by equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing > >so much guitar. From where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound > >was very clear. I must say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as > >good as any I've seen I do hope we will hear a studio album soon Brian > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > >Behalf Of M Holmes > >Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > > > >M Holmes writes: > > > > > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > > > quick comment and a setlist: > > > > > > Aerospaceage Inferno > > > Angels of Death > > > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > > > > > Master of the Universe > > > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > > > Hurry on Sundown > > > Lighthouse > > > The Watcher > > > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > > > You Shouldn't Do That > > > -- > > > Sonic Attack > > > Silver Machine > > > >And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" > > > >FoFP > >------- >Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ >The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From GORTAY at AOL.COM Thu Dec 5 18:43:57 2002 From: GORTAY at AOL.COM (Gordon Taylor) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:43:57 EST Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: Further to Arthur Brown's KIngdom Come, I saw this band on the tour they did around the Journey album. As previously noted they used an early drum machine called a Bentley Drum Machine - also variously called an Ace Bentley Rhythm Generator and a Bentley Rhythm Ace. The "Bentley Rhythm Ace" name was revived by a left field dance combo from Birmingham (UK not Alabama) in the 1990s. I don't know why they decided to use it instead of a real drummer, in the early 1970s it must have been somewhat optimistic to use such an untried piece of eqipment on a concert tour, but I recall that when the Sisters of Mercy introduced their drum machine (known as Dr. Avalanche) they claimed that not only did it keep better time than a real drummer but it also drank a lot less. Kingdom Come also had a great light show. Not as big as the one Hawkwind used but a lot more effective especialy through the use of a translucent screen at the front of stage on which slides were projected. Arthur's first solo album as I recall was called "Dance" and was also very good though after that the quality of his material declined rapidly. An old school friend of mine somehow knew Arthur, don't ask me how, and would tell me how the singer would be at my friend's parents' house, sitting crossed legged and barefoot in the front room eating marshmellows. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 19:03:39 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:03:39 -0000 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Keep looking and ye shall find! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Magnusson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle So where's mister House ? >Good Evening > For the record the line up was >Dave Brock Guitar Synth Vocals >Alan Davey Bass Vocals >Richard Chadwick Drums >Huw Lloyd Langton Guitar >Tim Blake Synth keys Vocals >Arthur Brown Vocals trousers >No dancers, fire eaters, or similar > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On >Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson >Sent: 05 December 2002 09:50 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > >Well, can we have the line-up please ? I was hoping for a new track so >we could hear some comments on that but.. > >Kenneth > > >Good Evening > > I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist > >although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher > > >was definitely a highlight I didn't care for the Eleanor Rigby > >instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being > >videoed by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim > >mentioned during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at > >the BBC that afternoon I assume it wasn't a strange joke. His set > >seemed plagued by equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing > >so much guitar. From where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound > >was very clear. I must say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as > >good as any I've seen I do hope we will hear a studio album soon Brian > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > >Behalf Of M Holmes > >Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > > > >M Holmes writes: > > > > > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > > > quick comment and a setlist: > > > > > > Aerospaceage Inferno > > > Angels of Death > > > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > > > > > Master of the Universe > > > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > > > Hurry on Sundown > > > Lighthouse > > > The Watcher > > > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > > > You Shouldn't Do That > > > -- > > > Sonic Attack > > > Silver Machine > > > >And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" > > > >FoFP > >------- >Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ >The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Dec 5 20:12:01 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:12:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: Strange and wacky spacey song of the day Message-ID: http://buttholesurfers.org/FortWorth/Cherub.mp3 KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 21:25:07 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:55:07 +1030 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Richard Chadwick was on drums? I read a post that someone couldn't recognise the drummer? Shame on that person...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > Good Evening > For the record the line up was > Dave Brock Guitar Synth Vocals > Alan Davey Bass Vocals > Richard Chadwick Drums > Huw Lloyd Langton Guitar > Tim Blake Synth keys Vocals > Arthur Brown Vocals trousers > No dancers, fire eaters, or similar > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson > Sent: 05 December 2002 09:50 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > Well, can we have the line-up please ? I was hoping for a new track so > we could hear some comments on that but.. > > Kenneth > > >Good Evening > > I must say I thought Arthur was an excellent vocalist > >although the enormous gold lame trousers seemed quite weird The Watcher > > >was definitely a highlight I didn't care for the Eleanor Rigby > >instrumental break in the middle of assassins. The gig was being > >videoed by some people with rather professional looking cameras. Tim > >mentioned during his set that he had been playing an unplugged set at > >the BBC that afternoon I assume it wasn't a strange joke. His set > >seemed plagued by equipment problems. It was nice to see Dave playing > >so much guitar. From where we were sitting (Balcony middle) the sound > >was very clear. I must say this and last years Hawkwind line-up are as > >good as any I've seen I do hope we will hear a studio album soon Brian > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > >Behalf Of M Holmes > >Sent: 05 December 2002 10:49 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Opening Night in Newcastle > > > > > >M Holmes writes: > > > > > Looks like I'm first to post.Pretty tired since I just got back so > > > quick comment and a setlist: > > > > > > Aerospaceage Inferno > > > Angels of Death > > > Time Captains (Arthur Brown track) > > > > > > Master of the Universe > > > The Gremlin/Song of The Gremlin > > > Hurry on Sundown > > > Lighthouse > > > The Watcher > > > Assassins of Allah/Space is Their Palestine > > > You Shouldn't Do That > > > -- > > > Sonic Attack > > > Silver Machine > > > >And I forgot "Out of the Shadows" > > > >FoFP > > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 5 22:55:38 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:55:38 +0000 Subject: HW: walthamstow Message-ID: An me&D?permisseee? It will be V-nice to see ReaL folks, LaGi.. >From: Richard Graham >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: walthamstow >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:45:58 +0000 > >Pencil me in please > > >Strawb > > > > > > >>From: Arin Komins >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >>Subject: HW: walthamstow >>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:15:03 -0600 >> >>Hi folks, >> >>Are any boc-l folks coming to walthamstow who aren't staying at the hotel? >>(I think that we'll be having a party at the venue post gig, since the >>hotel doesn't have the space, and I want to do up tix for people.) >> >>If you are coming (and not staying in the hotel) and you want to come to >>the party could you please let me know? >> >>(Keith H., I already know you are coming) >> >>Thanks! >> >>Arin >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >>Manager of Web Systems Architecture >>University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >>1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >>------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 5 23:04:15 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:04:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour Date Change ! Message-ID: Oh_-well--(low vibes)can't wait till next time ...??? ALREADY!!!emphisision?? Hawkwind...you are da BEST!!!!! >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Tour Date Change ! >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:13:50 -0500 > >+ ++ STAR WARRIORS > >URGENT !!! >Due to the unexpected development of a filming offer, >The band have had to regretfully postpone the last two tour dates >for December: Birmingham Academy and Bristol Academy........ >However, all tickets will be honoured for the new dates which will be >announced soon. A very special gift will also be arranged for all those >that >have already bought tickets ! > >The band wish to apologise for the short notice on this matter, but will >make up for it in the new year with some very special spring dates ! > >More information soon, both here and on Mission Control: >www.hawkwind.com > >This will not affect the Xmas Party gig on 13th at Walthamstow. > >+ ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Dec 6 05:10:07 2002 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:10:07 +0100 Subject: Another Lemmy book??? Message-ID: "Eric Quisling"??? He's probably from the little norwegian farm Kvisling, then... ;-) speaking of book on/by lemmy: has anybody read this book: Lemmy: No Remorse (ISBN 0863592090) ...? Ketil Svendsen, Norway Subject: Re: Another Lemmy book??? Straight Whisky: A Living History of Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll on the Sunset Strip by Erik Quisling , Lemmy Kilmister From petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 6 06:21:29 2002 From: petertrance at HOTMAIL.COM (PETER WILKINSON) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:21:29 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 08:12:52 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:12:52 GMT Subject: BBC Transcription disc Message-ID: Jill noted that this had been auctioned on Ebay and pulled on the last day due to complaints from a verified copyright owner. Presumably this would have had to have been the band or the BBC. Does anyone know any more? Anyone know how high the bidding got? FoFP From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Fri Dec 6 08:28:56 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:28:56 -0600 Subject: PASSPORT Message-ID: I think the band is out on a tour right now, so I don't think they'll be able to check their Devon address at the moment. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "PETER WILKINSON" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:21 AM > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 6 07:37:09 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:09 EDT Subject: Lem's bass In-Reply-To: <004d01c29d2b$6e843d70$f273a58e@HawkPlanet> Message-ID: Here's a good pic of Lemmy's special edition Ric: http://www.edroman.com/guitar/home_ric.htm theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 6 09:07:14 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:37:14 +1030 Subject: Lem's bass Message-ID: Very nice. If I had the cash I'd order one tomight. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Lem's bass > Here's a good pic of Lemmy's special edition Ric: > > http://www.edroman.com/guitar/home_ric.htm > > theo From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 6 09:17:53 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:17:53 +0000 Subject: Passport Message-ID: Yes Be Patient :-) If they've been preparing for a tour, rehearsing etc, and now on tour, it's bound to slow things down. The band don't have an army of admin personnel. So I would wait a little longer, it will come. Rich W > from: PETER WILKINSON > date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:21:29 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: > > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Dec 6 09:51:20 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:51:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: Fear not. When I got mine, the turnaround time was about 2 months. Hawkwind do not have a big organisation behind them, it is basically just a couple of people who do the passports and they also do a big chunk of the band's management...which would be very time consuming at present, given the recording of a new album, court cases, and a UK tour to organise. Oh, and welcome to the list, Pete! Steve ---------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:21:29 +0000, PETER WILKINSON wrote: >HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING >FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED >IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 >HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Dec 6 10:02:26 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:02:26 -0700 Subject: Passports In-Reply-To: <200212061451.JAA14927@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Then again, if you're in the states then allow 3 months... :-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Steve Youles Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:51 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Passports Fear not. When I got mine, the turnaround time was about 2 months. Hawkwind do not have a big organisation behind them, it is basically just a couple of people who do the passports and they also do a big chunk of the band's management...which would be very time consuming at present, given the recording of a new album, court cases, and a UK tour to organise. Oh, and welcome to the list, Pete! Steve ---------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:21:29 +0000, PETER WILKINSON wrote: >HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING >FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED >IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 >HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 6 11:17:40 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:17:40 -0500 Subject: BBC Transcription disc Message-ID: The last I saw it was at $232 or $252. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: BBC Transcription disc > Jill noted that this had been auctioned on Ebay and pulled on the last > day due to complaints from a verified copyright owner. Presumably this > would have had to have been the band or the BBC. Does anyone know any more? > Anyone know how high the bidding got? > > FoFP From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Dec 6 12:07:03 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07:03 -0500 Subject: Passports Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:02:26 -0700, Mark Licht wrote: >Then again, if you're in the states then allow 3 months... :-) > >Mark ------------------- I am! And it took 2 months. Given an extra week each way for the US and Royal Mail to do their stuff, I think it would take 6 weeks in the UK, but probably longer right now as the band are touring. Steve From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 6 12:15:10 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:15:10 -0800 Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: <20021205080329.30110.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, all. Eric Siegerman here, using a temporary account while travelling. --- Alan Linsley wrote: > Arthur Brown is mostly remembered for the classic 60s > single "Fire" Indeed. I have to say it's pretty bizarre hearing *that* voice -- "I am the god of hellfire" -- singing HW songs! Kind of makes them sound like covers, even with Dave and the rest on stage. But I'm sure I'll get used to it in one or two more gigs :-) As someone (Doug Pearson?) wrote in another thread, HW really needs someone like that to act as frontman. Turner, Calvert, Tree ... and now Brown. In short, it works; just might take a bit of getting used to. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 12:28:27 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:28:27 GMT Subject: Passports In-Reply-To: Steve Youles's message of Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: Steve Youles writes: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:02:26 -0700, Mark Licht wrote: > > >Then again, if you're in the states then allow 3 months... :-) > > > >Mark > ------------------- > I am! And it took 2 months. Given an extra week each way for the US and > Royal Mail to do their stuff, I think it would take 6 weeks in the UK, but > probably longer right now as the band are touring. Plus they now have to be submitted to the counterterrorism unit for approval. FoFP Fun uses of a Hawkwind Passport: I got onto a flight with mine. From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 6 12:41:26 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:41:26 -0800 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- Arin Komins wrote: > Wasn't this "The Bell"? > > 617 Forest Rd. Walthamstow E17 4NE, tel #020 8531 2779 > postcode E17 4NE I'll have to take your word for it. If I go there, and 617 is indeed a pub, I'll hope to see hawkfolks inside :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 6 12:34:50 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:34:50 -0800 Subject: HW: Walthamstow pub before HW gig In-Reply-To: <3DEDF8BB.24934.131335E@localhost> Message-ID: --- Ted Jackson wrote: > On 4 Dec 2002 at 12:10, Eric Siegerman wrote: > > > > about at Hoe St. I think. > > > Hey, does that intersect with Pimp Ave.? No, but it's what Soho is south of ... in Bordertown anyway. Actually, that's the case in London too, but only in a meaningless sort of way -- Walthamtow is north of most everything else :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rockypaths at MSN.COM Fri Dec 6 13:16:32 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:16:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Message-ID: I was hoping somebody could help me out. I'm off to the Walthamstow gig a week today (yippee) and unfortunately I have to drive there. Having never been to Walthamstow is there any parking near the venue? Is the venue easy to find? Cheers Jon Anyone know what time they are on stage?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 6 13:17:32 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:17:32 -0800 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle In-Reply-To: <000001c29c9b$f6bc6180$97ff193e@z4q6n9> Message-ID: --- Brian wrote: > [Tim's] set seemed plagued by equipment problems. Yah, last night too. His computer crashed, and he played New Jerusalem to cover for it while it rebooted. Joked about "I'll have to play all on my own, I'm not sure I still know how to do that"; started praying, "hare hare, nice computer", trying to get the crowd to join in. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 6 13:24:00 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:24:00 -0800 Subject: Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- Michael R Godwin wrote: > By that time [Arthur Brown's] original drummer Drachen Theaker > had joined Arthur Lee in Love and been replaced by Carl > Palmer. Which provides a HW->ELP link, in case there wasn't one already. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Dec 6 14:06:28 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:06:28 -0700 Subject: Passports In-Reply-To: <200212061728.RAA16315@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: and I've been using my New Mexico Passport exclusively since 2000 without any problems -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of M Holmes Subject: Re: Passports FOFP writes: Fun uses of a Hawkwind Passport: I got onto a flight with mine. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Dec 6 12:39:32 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:39:32 -0400 Subject: New Items at The One Eyed Bishops/SLOTERDIJK store ( calendar & more) Message-ID: 7 new items at the OEB/SLOTERDIJK Crew Wear Headquarters!!! Full Color 12 month (13 image) 2003 Wall Calendar 'Slotie' The Bear '4th Beast/Charlatans' Sweatshirt ( replicates original cover art for the latest Sloterdijk album) Mike Burro: 'Skifflin' T-shirt Jay Captain's Mug ( This is a special edition item and it is being offered completely profit free. This mug captures a special Hawkfest memory. The item is being offered at cost, so we are passing on our savings to you. This is something special.. Happy Holidays!!! Mike Burro 'skifflin on' cap Jay's BBQ/Chef's Apron Check them all out at: www.cafepress.com/oebs also check out the recent radio interview with Mike at: http://www.struzzin.com/videos/arcstruzzinspotlight120302.html Cheers! & Happy Holidays from The OEBs From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 6 14:52:32 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:52:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Message-ID: Yup it's easy to find look for the town hall in your map book its on that complex just off the A406 North Circular Road. Haven't been there for a couple of years but if they have the gates open theres miles off carparking space round the back >From: Jonathan Norman >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:16:32 -0000 > >I was hoping somebody could help me out. I'm off to the Walthamstow gig a >week today (yippee) and unfortunately I have to drive there. Having never >been to Walthamstow is there any parking near the venue? Is the venue easy >to find? > >Cheers > >Jon > >Anyone know what time they are on stage?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 6 16:04:30 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:04:30 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/30 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . 11/30 1.ST 37 "The Pleiadian" (Nunavut; Blue Circle) 2.Liquid Sound Company "The League for Spiritual Discovery Lives" (Inside the Acid Temple; Brainticket ) 3.Saturnia "Borealis" (The Glitter Odd; Cranium) 4.Shape of the Rain "Willowing Trees" (Previously Unreleased Recordings '66-'73; Hi-Note/Background) 5.Kingston Wall "And I Hear You Call" (1; Zen Garden Oy) 6.Das Ludicroix "Moon Healing Activation" (MHV cassette; for Larry Boyd--get better!!) 7.Das Ludicroix "Pray for a Good Harvest" (Strange Daze '99) 8.Species Being "Track #4" (Orgone Therapy; Innerspace) 9.Hawkwind "Time We Left This World Today" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 10.Mushroom "Grooving w/Herbie" (Foxy Music; Clearspot) 11.Krom Lek "title-track" (Collective Conscience; Stone Premonitions) 12.Melting Euphoria "Balance..." (Through the Strands of Time; Stratospheric) 13.Sub Oslo "Mi Familia Re-Dub" (Dubs in the Key of Life; Two Ohm Hop) 14.Pseudo Buddha "Solo" (Motive; Uncle Buzz) 15.Third Eye Foundation "In Bristol w/a Pistol" (You Guys Kill Me; Merge) thanks, Chuck From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 6 16:25:33 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: Lem's bass Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:09 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >Here's a good pic of Lemmy's special edition Ric: > >http://www.edroman.com/guitar/home_ric.htm Thanks for rubbing it in! ;^) (Actually, I believe that the photo may be of a prototype model; I think the production model is supposed to have 3 pickups.) -Doug (still waiting for his) jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 6 16:29:30 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:29:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/30 Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:04:30 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >"SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. >Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims >TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: >For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, >e-mail me at: . > >11/30 > >1.ST 37 "The Pleiadian" (Nunavut; Blue Circle) This is from their new double-CD of rehearsals/jams/improvisations. Even better than its' predecessors IMO. VERY worth it! [snip] >6.Das Ludicroix "Moon Healing Activation" (MHV cassette; for Larry Boyd-- >get better!!) >7.Das Ludicroix "Pray for a Good Harvest" (Strange Daze '99) Thanks for playing these, Chuck! I know I'm not the only person on the list who echos that sentiment!!! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 16:27:38 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:27:38 -0000 Subject: Classic Rock - honourable mention Message-ID: Since I was extremely unhappy with the Classic Rock / Nektar situation I should say that they have behaved subsequently with great honour and credit in that they have refunded the whole amount of my weekend tickets - no questions asked - no protests - very promptly indeed. I'm very impressed and feeling considerably more well-disposed towards them than I was previously and I just want to give them the praise they deserve for this. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 17:14:30 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:14:30 -0000 Subject: Passport Message-ID: Agreed. No, they don't. I sent away for mine some two/three years ago - whenever the idea was raised, and never got cunt all back. Still, that's Hawkwind for you. Love 'em or hate 'em, you'd never accuse them of being predictable. *sigh* See you all at Walthamstow. Cheers, Rich. > Yes Be Patient :-) > > If they've been preparing for a tour, rehearsing etc, and now on tour, it's bound to slow things down. The band don't have an army of admin personnel. > > So I would wait a little longer, it will come. > > Rich W > > > > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST GROUP AND START BY ASKING > > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND PASSPORT. HAVING NOT RECEIVED > > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. ADDRESS I USED WAS PO BOX28 > > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Dec 6 17:16:34 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:16:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Canturbury 2001 CD Available Message-ID: ++ Star Warriors Mission Control has the first copies of the new Hawkwind 2cd: "Live at Canturbury 2001" Call the credit card hotline on 0500 829 262 or send a ?15 cheque payable to Voiceprint. Mail Order: Voiceprint / Hawk Records PO Box 50 Houghton le Spring Tyne & Wear DH5 5YP or International phone: +44 (0)1422 823 178 fax +44 (0)1422 823 387 This CD will not be in the shops until the new year, and is not yet available on the Voiceprint site ++MESSAGE ENDS + + + From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 17:20:31 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:20:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Graham" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: Walthamstow HW gig > Yup it's easy to find look for the town hall in your map book its on that > complex just off the A406 North Circular Road. Haven't been there for a > couple of years but if they have the gates open theres miles off carparking > space round the back > > > > > > > >From: Jonathan Norman > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig > >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:16:32 -0000 > > > >I was hoping somebody could help me out. I'm off to the Walthamstow gig a > >week today (yippee) and unfortunately I have to drive there. Having never > >been to Walthamstow is there any parking near the venue? Is the venue easy > >to find? > > > >Cheers > > > >Jon > > > >Anyone know what time they are on stage?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN > >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 17:24:04 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:24:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Message-ID: Sadly I've offered my floor space out already that night. However if it's not taken up, all you need to do is come up to me and say "My Lobster has a Herring in his ear, and I'd ratther shag a horse than Kate Bush". That's the secret sign, and we'll share a cab back to Stratford. (No, really - I'll be the pissed baldy bloke at the bar) Cheers, Rich. From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Dec 6 19:39:43 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:39:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Canterbury Info Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS For more info on the Canterbury release see MISSION CONTROL: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/cant2001.htm + + +MESSAGE ENDS + + From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 6 19:53:30 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:53:30 EST Subject: Lem's bass Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/2002 4:25:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Actually, I believe that the photo may be of a prototype model; I think > the production model is supposed to have 3 pickups.) > Lemmy's has three pickups on it. I'll betcha they didn't make any for us southpaws! Joe From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 6 20:27:47 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:27:47 EST Subject: New Album?... Message-ID: In a message dated 06/12/02 14:51:37 GMT Standard Time, youless at LVCM.COM writes: > Hawkwind do not have a big organisation behind them, it is basically just a > couple of people who do the passports and they also do a big chunk of the > band's management...which would be very time consuming at present, given > the recording of a new album... Speaking of which.......does anyone have any news on this Destruction Of The Death Generator thing? Has it been indefinately shelved? Has it been recorded? Will it be out on Monday? And the rest... Steve. From rockypaths at MSN.COM Sat Dec 7 03:32:30 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:32:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Message-ID: Thanks - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Graham Sent: 06 December 2002 20:13 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Walthamstow HW gig Yup it's easy to find look for the town hall in your map book its on that complex just off the A406 North Circular Road. Haven't been there for a couple of years but if they have the gates open theres miles off carparking space round the back >From: Jonathan Norman >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Walthamstow HW gig >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:16:32 -0000 > >I was hoping somebody could help me out. I'm off to the Walthamstow gig a >week today (yippee) and unfortunately I have to drive there. Having never >been to Walthamstow is there any parking near the venue? Is the venue easy >to find? > >Cheers > >Jon > >Anyone know what time they are on stage?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Dec 7 06:21:36 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:21:36 +0000 Subject: Passport In-Reply-To: <08c301c29d74$d99c1fd0$fd9423d9@bernard> Message-ID: I too have been waiting for a HW Passport. Since August/September-ish I think. And I live in Bristol, just up the M5 from the band! So at the Hanley gig I asked Kris what on earth was going on with the passports. She recommended I contact Captain Black via this list, or at least his partner "Tone" who processes Passport applications. So, if you're out there Passport Tone - can I and all the others who have been clearly been waiting a while please have an update? Thanks AL --- Richard Lockwood wrote: > Agreed. No, they don't. I sent away for mine some > two/three years ago - > whenever the idea was raised, and never got cunt all > back. > > Still, that's Hawkwind for you. > > Love 'em or hate 'em, you'd never accuse them of > being predictable. > > *sigh* > > See you all at Walthamstow. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Yes Be Patient :-) > > > > If they've been preparing for a tour, rehearsing > etc, and now on tour, > it's bound to slow things down. The band don't have > an army of admin > personnel. > > > > So I would wait a little longer, it will come. > > > > Rich W > > > > > > > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR AUGUST > GROUP AND START BY > ASKING > > > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND > PASSPORT. HAVING NOT > RECEIVED > > > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO REPLY. > ADDRESS I USED WAS PO > BOX28 > > > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC > WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Dec 7 07:54:58 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:54:58 +0000 Subject: Hanley & Manchester - SPOILER Message-ID: Bit of a long one this... Got a seat smack in the centre of the circle for Hanley, always nice to do at least one on each tour from a balcony viewpoint. Somebody "with the band" (I think) was videoing the gig from the centre front row of the circle. Looking around it was interesting to see lots of 40-something couples with their kids. Tim Blake started @ 8:10 and played for half an hour. Began with New Jerusalem, then a number I didn't know. Then had some computer trouble and tried to get us to chant "hare hare nice computer" to help things along, before going into Tide of the Century. Finished with another track from that album, Island? It was the usual stuff from Tim, pleasant enough but a bit bland, mostly tapes played by his computer with Tim doing the solos and vocals. HW took the stage @ 9:05 and played til 10:30. The set began with Richard intoning Earth Calling while the others got the motors running. Then it was straight into Aerospaceage Inferno with Arthur strolling on for the lead vox. He's an absolute star, loads of energy, running around the stage and doing moonwalks and other bizarre dances, really livened things up. This number is now much better than the cacophony on the Distant Horizons tour. Unfortunately Dave then had some guitar trouble (broke a string I think), so after a brief conference the rest of the band plodded through Strange Power (or Flower, I still don't know the title of this), a LLG number, but without the vocals, while Dave tuned his guitar. They then went into Angels of Death. More guitar trouble for Dave so Tim played a solo for a while with Alan picking up the rhythm and playing along, until the Captain declared he was ready again, and BANG! we're straight into Out of the Shadows. Good tight playing all round, a real bonus to hear this again. Am I right in thinking Huwey has never played this until this tour? Then Arthur was back, this time with a kind of revolving bubble light strapped onto the top of his head, and the band played Time Captains. This is an outstanding number, perfectly suited to HW, just a basic hypnotic rhythm with Arthur singing the spaced out lyrics. Arthur has very clear diction, you could hear every word, shame I can't remember them! Does anyone know which Arthur Brown LP this is on? Then it was Master of the Universe, with Arthur on lead again. He seems to have learnt most of the lyrics but he still isn't getting them in the right order, I'm sure he and Alan were signing different lyrics at some points. This was followed by the Gremlin, and then another Arthur Brown number which didn't quite have the same impact as Time Captains for me. Then Hurry On Sundown, always good to hear, tight and lively. Dave followed this by telling us he used to play it while busking, and, referring to some of Huws earlier guitar noodlings between numbers, suggested that he could busk after the gig and Huw could bring his ice-cream van...and Richard offered to do the kebabs. Tim then led into a very powerful Lighthouse, with some confusion at the beginning as Dave played his "Life is the most precious thing in the universe" tape while Tim was singing. Nice soloing from Huw. Now seriously flying, they followed with The Watcher, then Assassins of Allah (inc. Palestine). They had the crowd in their hands by now, and finished with Shouldn't Do That and Seeing It As You Really Are. These last 2 were done like the Space Ritual encore/Roadhawks versions, with Alan even imitating Lemmy's bass run before the number starts, good attention to detail! Seeing It... was brief and NEW LYRICS were sung over it, only four lines though, one of which was "trapped in a techno age" or something, followed by "This is Earth Calling, This is Earth Calling" as the number closed the main set. They did this @ Hastings show in July. Encore began with Arthur returning in black mask or balaclava or something with black sunglasses and black hat, sort of like a black-clad invisible man. He produced a torch and a sheet of paper and read Sonic Attack very well, shining the torch at hapless HW fans down the front..."YOU will inevitably DIE!!!" etc. As the poem reached "these are the first signs of Sonic Attack" the band went into Spacebrock til the end of the poem. Then it was a riotous version of Silver Machine, with Arthur hamming it up for all he was worth, still not quite got the lyrics right but so what? A good gig, just left me wanting more. Manchester Academy 2 is as different a venue to Hanley Victoria Hall as you could get. A classic student union hall, several bars outside, packed to the walls with hollering Hawkfans inside. Missed some of Tim's set here but nothing to add from the previous evening really. At both gigs he left the stage saying "I may be back later with some friends..." which got a good cheer. Basically the same setlist from HW but a much better gig. I felt they were on full throttle here throughout, with a baying crowd right behind them all the way. Just some miscellaneous memories - Arthur was wearing a pilot's overalls covered in flashing lights and luminous paint with a laser beam strapped to the shoulder. Time Captains was first class again. Before Master... he told us to "Take Your Space Pills NOW!" After The Watcher Dave told us that Lemmy dyes his hair black. All of them seemed to be really enjoying themselves, with Dave laughing along with Arthur, Tim going mental at the keyboards during The Watcher, Huw in classic fag-hanging-out-of-mouth blessing-the-audience mode and so on. The Palestine section of Assassins was a bit of a mess though, and Angels was a bit flat (Huw's soloing is a bit hit & miss overall really ). For Silver Machine Arthur was wearing a silver coat with a flashing UFO strapped to his chest, which various audience members with laser pens were aiming at. These were a couple of great gigs, better than last year's tour, finally banished the momory of the Hastings nightmare for me. Simple but effective projections on the backdrop (no other stage lighting). I could hear Dave's riffing far more clearly than usual, actually I can't think of any sound problems at all at either gig, which makes a refreshing change. The core trio of Dave, Alan & Richard are on top form at the moment with Tim and Huw adding the right touches were needed and Arthur taking care of crowd pleasing duties. Arthur looks like somebody who should have been in HW years ago, and as he's a guest we may never see the like of these shows again. I've been told that Simon will be appearing during the second half of the tour, alternating with Huw, so Walthamstow could be quite different again. Can't wait. ..and why should I? To hell with it - see you at Northampton. AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Dec 7 08:15:01 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:15:01 +0100 Subject: Hanley & Manchester - SPOILER In-Reply-To: <20021207125458.94984.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan Thanks you very much for this very informative review !!! cheers Bernhard At 12:54 07.12.2002 +0000, you wrote: >Bit of a long one this... > >Got a seat smack in the centre of the circle for >Hanley, always nice to do at least one on each tour >from a balcony viewpoint. Somebody "with the band" (I >think) was videoing the gig from the centre front row >of the circle. Looking around it was interesting to >see lots of 40-something couples with their kids. > >Tim Blake started @ 8:10 and played for half an hour. >Began with New Jerusalem, then a number I didn't know. > Then had some computer trouble and tried to get us to >chant "hare hare nice computer" to help things along, >before going into Tide of the Century. Finished with >another track from that album, Island? It >was the usual stuff from Tim, pleasant enough but a >bit bland, mostly tapes played by his computer with >Tim doing the solos and vocals. > >HW took the stage @ 9:05 and played til 10:30. The >set began with Richard intoning Earth Calling while >the others got the motors running. Then it was >straight into Aerospaceage Inferno with Arthur >strolling on for the lead vox. He's an absolute star, >loads of energy, running around the stage and doing >moonwalks and other bizarre dances, really livened >things up. This number is now much better than the >cacophony on the Distant Horizons tour. > >Unfortunately Dave then had some guitar trouble (broke >a string I think), so after a brief conference the >rest of the band plodded through Strange Power (or >Flower, I still don't know the title of this), a LLG >number, but without the vocals, while Dave tuned his >guitar. They then went into Angels of Death. More >guitar trouble for Dave so Tim played a solo for a >while with Alan picking up the rhythm and playing >along, until the Captain declared he was ready again, >and BANG! we're straight into Out of the Shadows. >Good tight playing all round, a real bonus to hear >this again. Am I right in thinking Huwey has never >played this until this tour? > >Then Arthur was back, this time with a kind of >revolving bubble light strapped onto the top of his >head, and the band played Time Captains. This is an >outstanding number, perfectly suited to HW, just a >basic hypnotic rhythm with Arthur singing the spaced >out lyrics. Arthur has very clear diction, you could >hear every word, shame I can't remember them! Does >anyone know which Arthur Brown LP this is on? > >Then it was Master of the Universe, with Arthur on >lead again. He seems to have learnt most of the >lyrics but he still isn't getting them in the right >order, I'm sure he and Alan were signing different >lyrics at some points. This was followed by the >Gremlin, and then another Arthur Brown number which >didn't quite have the same impact as Time Captains for >me. > >Then Hurry On Sundown, always good to hear, tight and >lively. Dave followed this by telling us he used to >play it while busking, and, referring to some of Huws >earlier guitar noodlings between numbers, suggested >that he could busk after the gig and Huw could bring >his ice-cream van...and Richard offered to do the >kebabs. > >Tim then led into a very powerful Lighthouse, with >some confusion at the beginning as Dave played his >"Life is the most precious thing in the universe" tape >while Tim was singing. Nice soloing from Huw. >Now seriously flying, they followed with The Watcher, >then Assassins of Allah (inc. Palestine). They had >the crowd in their hands by now, and finished with >Shouldn't Do That and Seeing It As You Really Are. >These last 2 were done like the Space Ritual >encore/Roadhawks versions, with Alan even imitating >Lemmy's bass run before the number starts, good >attention to detail! Seeing It... was brief and NEW >LYRICS were sung over it, only four lines though, one >of which was "trapped in a techno age" or something, >followed by "This is Earth Calling, This is Earth >Calling" as the number closed the main set. They did >this @ Hastings show in July. > >Encore began with Arthur returning in black mask or >balaclava or something with black sunglasses and black >hat, sort of like a black-clad invisible man. He >produced a torch and a sheet of paper and read Sonic >Attack very well, shining the torch at hapless HW fans >down the front..."YOU will inevitably DIE!!!" etc. As >the poem reached "these are the first signs of Sonic >Attack" the band went into Spacebrock til the end of >the poem. Then it was a riotous version of Silver >Machine, with Arthur hamming it up for all he was >worth, still not quite got the lyrics right but so >what? A good gig, just left me wanting more. > >Manchester Academy 2 is as different a venue to Hanley >Victoria Hall as you could get. A classic student >union hall, several bars outside, packed to the walls >with hollering Hawkfans inside. Missed some of Tim's >set here but nothing to add from the previous evening >really. At both gigs he left the stage saying "I may >be back later with some friends..." which got a good >cheer. > >Basically the same setlist from HW but a much better >gig. I felt they were on full throttle here >throughout, with a baying crowd right behind them all >the way. Just some miscellaneous memories - Arthur >was wearing a pilot's overalls covered in flashing >lights and luminous paint with a laser beam strapped >to the shoulder. Time Captains was first class again. > Before Master... he told us to "Take Your Space Pills >NOW!" After The Watcher Dave told us that Lemmy dyes >his hair black. All of them seemed to be really >enjoying themselves, with Dave laughing along with >Arthur, Tim going mental at the keyboards during The >Watcher, Huw in classic fag-hanging-out-of-mouth >blessing-the-audience mode and so on. The Palestine >section of Assassins was a bit of a mess though, and >Angels was a bit flat (Huw's soloing is a bit hit & >miss overall really ). For Silver Machine Arthur was >wearing a silver coat with a flashing UFO strapped to >his chest, which various audience members with laser >pens were aiming at. > >These were a couple of great gigs, better than last >year's tour, finally banished the momory of the >Hastings nightmare for me. Simple but effective >projections on the backdrop (no other stage lighting). > I could hear Dave's riffing far more clearly than >usual, actually I can't think of any sound problems at >all at either gig, which makes a refreshing change. >The core trio of Dave, Alan & Richard are on top form >at the moment with Tim and Huw adding the right >touches were needed and Arthur taking care of crowd >pleasing duties. Arthur looks like somebody who >should have been in HW years ago, and as he's a guest >we may never see the like of these shows again. I've >been told that Simon will be appearing during the >second half of the tour, alternating with Huw, so >Walthamstow could be quite different again. Can't >wait. > >..and why should I? To hell with it - see you at >Northampton. > >AL > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 7 13:05:35 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:05:35 EST Subject: Hanley & Manchester - SPOILER Message-ID: Good review AL. I was at Manchester last night. HW had started by the time I got there as my f'n' train was delayed by almost an hour. Once I got there though, that was it! I hoped to make it to Liverpool tomorrow, but need to be back in Preston. Upon enquiring about the last train I was told it's at 10:35, which is no bloody good at all. Public transport sucks! Enjoy the rest of the tour. Steve. From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Dec 7 13:44:08 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:44:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Manchester Message-ID: Alan Linsley wrote: >Missed some of Tim's >set here but nothing to add from the previous evening >really. At both gigs he left the stage saying "I may >be back later with some friends..." which got a good >cheer. Tim's set list was: Random doodlings whilst trying to get his Mac sorted out (took 2 reboots!) Tide of the Century Something I didn't recognise - an instrumental - maybe it's a new one? Crystal Island He played for around 30 mins & I thought he was pretty good. But my enjoyment was slightly marred by the amount of background chat from the audience. Why do these people bother? >I felt they were on full throttle here >throughout, with a baying crowd right behind them all >the way. Yep - I'd go along with that. I thought the "core" of Brock, Davey & Chadwick played a blinder & Arthur Brown fitted in well. I'd go along with those who said that Time Captains was terrific (never heard this before - any ideas which album it's on?), the other AB song less so. Other highlights for me were Aerospaceage Inferno, Out of the Shadows, MotU (that's one in the eye for Nik, then!), Hurry on Sundown (this has become a real crowd favourite these days & possibly got the biggest response of the night) & the main set closer Shouldn't Do That/Seeing It/Earth Calling. The latter is ostensibly a new song - and a great one at that - but why so brief? It's crying out for another verse & chorus & a good jammy break. >(Huw's soloing is a bit hit & miss overall really ). Hmm. That's a bit of an understatement, IMHO. Sadly (& I'm a big fan of Huwy's), I think he looked like he was really struggling to fit in & at times looked like he was at a loss as to what to play. I got the impression that Dave & Alan were none too impressed by this - there seemed to be knowing glances exchanged between them following some of Huwy's bum notes. Also, Tim's contribution was virtually inaudible for much of the gig (from my position, at least). To be honest, I missed Simon's violin & am chuffed to learn that he'll be around later in the tour, even though I won't be able to get to any of those gigs. But, all told, a good night & I'm thoroughly envious of those able to make the Xmas party. Have a good one, folks. Dave From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Dec 7 14:03:01 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:03:01 -0000 Subject: Another Lemmy book??? Message-ID: Have I been taking too many Anadin again, or did I really see this on Amazon? Mungo's World Tour: The Exciting Adventures of Munog, Lemmy & Albert Ross "This is the story of how an orphaned and homeless little spider monkey is befriended by an albatross called Albert Ross. Together they rescue a Norwegian lemming called Lemmy. the three friends travel the world on Arthur's back helping all kinds of animals who get into danger or difficulty." Now the best bit: Customers who shopped for this item also shopped for these items: Illustrated Collector's Guide to Motorhead by Alan Burridge (what??) Kiss by Gene Simmons, et al (now your kidding, right?) Journals by Kurt Cobain (eh?) The Freelancer's Rulebook by Bonnie Hearn Hill (I'm sorry?) Motorhead by Alan Barridge, Mick Stevenson (No, No, No!) Surreal or what? Captain Bl at ck From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Dec 7 14:54:52 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:54:52 -0500 Subject: Opening Night in Newcastle Message-ID: Mike Holmes wrote: >He was good >doing the Gremlin and certainly less hammy than Moorcock on Sonic Attack >though not as good as Nik. Sonic Attack finished backed instrumentally >by a track I should recognise (Anna Seed?) but couldn't quite place (anyone?). At Manchester, the song played as backing to Sonic Attack was 'SpaceBrock' Mick > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 8 06:39:40 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:39:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock + Taped Rugs Productions special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (December 8, 2002):We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #63) and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #17). Check out the Hoedown because it's a special dedicated to the Taped Rugs Productions label which features the music of longtime home taper Charles Rice Goff III. LOTS of strange and freaky music to be heard here. See the playlists below. Stay tuned next week for the return of THE KOZMIK KEN EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!! December 10th (Tuesday), 2002: PAIK, SubArachnoid Space, and Easy Tiger Kimo's on Polk Street, San Francisco, $5, 21+, 8:30pm Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio show #63 Omnia Opera - "Space Bastard" (from Omnia Opera) Damo Suzuki's Network - "Cinderella Manager" (from Krautrock Karnival) Awkward Star - "Buzz, Hell?" (from Blue Straggler) Mike Wingate - "Chopper" (from Savage Saint) Fit & Limo - "I Stood In The Streams" (from Ginnistan) Discolor - "When I See You" (from III) Talking Trees - "Faroe Smiles" (from Talking Trees) Spiritual Beggars - "Street Fighting Saviours" (from On Fire) Ozone Player - "Broken Code" (from E) Trigon - "Verbiegt Die Kontrollen Zum Herz Der Sonne" (from Heizen) The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love - "Green Morning Baby" (excerpt) (from Green Morning Baby) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown show #17 (Taped Rugs Productions / Charles Rice Goff III Special) Taped Rugs Productions features the music of Charles Rice Goff III, both solo and in numerous collaborations. Charles has been a home taper for over 20 years and has produced a variety of music and sounds that are in the avant-garde/experimental realm, though much of it is unlike anything you've heard before. The music can be strange, intense, spacey, zany and even downright fun. The adventurous will be rewarded. In fact, there's so much to offer that we've made this a 2 part show. And while you're listening you can visit the Taped Rugs Productions web site at: http://www.geocities.com/padukem. Part 1 Machinations - "Living With Gerd" (from Machinations) Turkey Makes Me Sleepy - "Nocturia" (from The Fluff Of A Feather Pillow) The Magic Potty Babies - "Hemogoblin (911 Radio Edit) Charles Rice Goff III - "Picante" (from Whirledly) Charles Rice Goff III- "Padukem" (from Vulnerable & Volatile) Herd Of The Ether Space - "Level In The Box" (from Dolly & Jackie & Mr. Wren) Phloby Vs. C. Goff III - "Donde Esta Santa Claus" (from Book Of All Things) Charles Rice Goff III - "The Will Of Landru" (from Bean Dip Yo Yo) Hart/Goff/McGee - "The Alones" (from Meshed Mixages) Herd Of 360 Homogenized Dogs - "Life On Mars" (excerpt) (from Summit) Part 2 Charles Rice Goff III - "Time" (from Cocktails Will Be Served) Disism - "Tales Of The Great White North Movement" (from 60 Seconds Left) -Ing - "Therapy" (from Ingtrospection) Charles Rice Goff III - "Truth Lies In Trust" (from -Re) Machinations - "Sacerdotal" (from Machinations) Charles Rice Goff III - "Boom" (from Whirledly") The Magic Potty Babies - "Beef, Liver, Heart" (from Sacralicious!) Turkey Makes Me Sleepy - "Edna Lena Loo" (from The Fluff Of A Feather Pillow) Phloby Vs. C. Goff III - "Get The Gun" (from Book Of All Things) Charles Rice Goff III - "Motivation" (from Vulnerable & Volatile) Charles Rice Goff III - "Magic Potty Baby" (from Bean Dip Yo Yo) -Ing - "Seeming Steaming" (from Ingtrospection) Herd Of The Ether Space - "Mourning Has Broken" (from Topical Anesthesia) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Dec 8 13:13:01 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:13:01 GMT Subject: HW: Calling Eric S. Message-ID: Eric, If you're checking the list and pick this up, please email me regarding the Leeds ticket we discussed at Manchester. If I don't hear from you before Mid-day on Monday, I'll have to make other arrangements. Cheers. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Dec 8 14:19:49 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:19:49 -0000 Subject: Time Captains Message-ID: Hi. For all those that have expressed interest,the track is "Time Captives" and it's off the third Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come album "Journey" of which the remastered version with bonus tracks is available from me at CD Services for pretty well standard price. It's a classic of its time, easily the best of the three Kingdom Come albums and one I have to admit that I still play for pleasure when the chance arises.If only someone would issue the Kingdom Come BBC Radio One session tracks - now they were sensational!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bottomley" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: HW: Manchester > Alan Linsley wrote: > > >Missed some of Tim's > >set here but nothing to add from the previous evening > >really. At both gigs he left the stage saying "I may > >be back later with some friends..." which got a good > >cheer. > > Tim's set list was: > Random doodlings whilst trying to get his Mac sorted out (took 2 reboots!) > Tide of the Century > Something I didn't recognise - an instrumental - maybe it's a new one? > Crystal Island > > He played for around 30 mins & I thought he was pretty good. But my > enjoyment was slightly marred by the amount of background chat from the > audience. Why do these people bother? > > >I felt they were on full throttle here > >throughout, with a baying crowd right behind them all > >the way. > > Yep - I'd go along with that. I thought the "core" of Brock, Davey & > Chadwick played a blinder & Arthur Brown fitted in well. I'd go along > with those who said that Time Captains was terrific (never heard this > before - any ideas which album it's on?), the other AB song less so. Other > highlights for me were Aerospaceage Inferno, Out of the Shadows, MotU > (that's one in the eye for Nik, then!), Hurry on Sundown (this has become > a real crowd favourite these days & possibly got the biggest response > of the night) & the main set closer Shouldn't Do That/Seeing It/Earth > Calling. The latter is ostensibly a new song - and a great one at that - but > why so brief? It's crying out for another verse & chorus & a good jammy > break. > > >(Huw's soloing is a bit hit & miss overall really ). > > Hmm. That's a bit of an understatement, IMHO. Sadly (& I'm a big fan of > Huwy's), I think he looked like he was really struggling to fit in & at > times looked like he was at a loss as to what to play. I got the impression > that Dave & Alan were none too impressed by this - there seemed to be > knowing glances exchanged between them following some of Huwy's > bum notes. Also, Tim's contribution was virtually inaudible for much > of the gig (from my position, at least). > > To be honest, I missed Simon's violin & am chuffed to learn that he'll be > around later in the tour, even though I won't be able to get to any of those > gigs. But, all told, a good night & I'm thoroughly envious of those able to > make the Xmas party. Have a good one, folks. > > Dave From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 04:32:11 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:32:11 -0500 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: I was there and I thought they played an absolutely blinding set. The Brock/Chadwick/Davey trio were outstanding with Ali Davey being a leading force for me. To be brutally honest (someone has to be), Tim Blake was awful as a support and inaudible during the HW set and Huw was so wasted, he shouldn't have bothered - he couldn't even stand up. I definately got the impression the others were embarrassed by him. Arthur Brown was a star performer and pleased the crowd no end but I thought the inclusion of his own stuff was a mistake. I think he should take the time to learn some of the words to the songs (having said that, the Captain was reading the words to Out of The Shadows!). All in all a great concert though and very different to when I've seen them before as the venue was so intimate From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 9 06:39:45 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:39:45 EDT Subject: Lem's bass In-Reply-To: <91.27200402.2b22a08a@aol.com> Message-ID: On 6 Dec 2002 at 19:53, Joe Loehr wrote: Date sent: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:53:30 EST Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Joe Loehr Subject: Re: Lem's bass To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > In a message dated 12/6/2002 4:25:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > > Actually, I believe that the photo may be of a prototype model; I > > think the production model is supposed to have 3 pickups.) > > > > Lemmy's has three pickups on it. > > I'll betcha they didn't make any for us southpaws! > Supposedly there are/were only 50 made. Anyone know if this is true? Whatever the production run, it's a rare instrument... theo From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 9 10:06:01 2002 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:06:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Top Gear Message-ID: Didn't anyone notice Silver Machine getting aired on Top Gear on BBC last night or did I dream it? Silver Machine was playing while they were test driving a Mazaratti. Alastair. From John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 06:26:45 2002 From: John.Cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:26:45 +0000 Subject: Opening Night In Newcastle Message-ID: Just a few observations. Overall I came away a bit disappointed, as I thought HW were well below their usual standards. They certainly weren't helped by the sound quality, which was bloody awful at times (even in the middle of the stalls where I was) with high levels of distortion and all instruments blurring into a single noise at times. Tim Blakes keyboards were completely inaudible for most of the set. He seemed to be having a lot of computer hassles though, so that won't have helped. The set list was uninspired (and short -- about 1 hour 25mins). Angels of Death wheeled out yet again. Assassins of Allah -- why? Surely this one needs retiring for a while. It's not as if they are short of material. What about some new stuff? It was good to see Arthur Brown, although he definitely needs to familiarise himself with the material a bit more. He certainly added a touch of colour to the proceedings (and I don't just mean his gold trousers!). He did Sonic Attack really well, and it was good to see and hear him doing The Gremlin. One final point. What has happened to Huwy? He seems to be a shadow of his former self these days and I found it a bit sad watching him bumbling about on stage hitting bum notes and noodling away in his own little world (Eleanor Rigby in the middle of Assassins!!). Judging from some of the other posts I'm not alone in thinking this. Plus points. It was good to see Dave enjoying himself and cranking out the riffs. Alan and Richard were excellent as usual. Songwise, The Watcher and Shouldn't Do That were the highlights for me (the cover of Time Captives was a nice suprise -- always liked that track). Sorry if this sounds really negative. I'm just calling it as I saw it. Hopefully they'll be flying for the Xmas gig. On a more positive note (and apologies if this is common knowledge). Looking at Nik Turners website, it seems that him and Dave have reached an amicable settlement over the Xhawkwind shenanigans: > Nik turner offers the hand of friendship to Dave Brock at Exeter Court > and Dave accepts as there are no winners in this fight amongst current > and ex-members of Hawkwind except the people being paid in the legal > system! > > All references to any dispute are systematically being removed from > all websites related to Nik Turner. > > A message from Nik: > > All hail, beings of another cosmos! > > You'll be happy to hear that Nik and Dave have managed to sit down and > settle their mess amicably, trying to cut through the crap and act > like big people, shaking hands even, in order to promote goodwill and > limit the damage in a situation where the only people that score are > the legal professionals. > > Nik says there is talk of a 'joint' concert to raise money for their > costs. What do you think? So let's make a fresh start, and let bygones > be bygones, in the spirit of progress and brotherly love. > > Nik has agreed not to use the name Xhawkwind.com or exhawkwind or > ex-Hawkwind since Dave has trademarked the name Hawkwind, and is the > only one allowed to use it or give permission for the use of it, and > the use of these names may infringe on Dave's rights. > > Spaceritual.net is a pretty cool name anyway, in the right spirit. Nik > wants to thank everyone for their support and vision, the fans, the > band, the dancers, the crew and Mr. Chris Hewitt for their continued > help and support, and Blaiddwyn - for his impartial temperance. > > Nik also mentioned that the Spaceritual.net are performing a concert > at Wrexham Central Station this Friday, November 29, so be there! > > Stay cool, > > Thunder Rider > > Make sure you see Spaceritual.net on their tour and also see Hawkwind > on their tour! > Good news. Maybe we will see the Hawkestra stuff in some shape or form now. Cheers John From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Dec 9 10:25:53 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:25:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Masters of Rock CD Message-ID: Hey Folks... Saw this CD in a store in Frankfurt Saturday, and would have bought it, but didn't have any Euros left and didn't want to bother going to the bank and getting more just for this CD. It's a normal compilation, but has two recent live songs that aren't otherwise released, confirmed just now by looking at the newest Codex. V.3L of Lighthouse and V.9L of Love in Space (ugh). Was wondering if the version of Lighthouse is good enough to bother snagging this CD. I searched the archive and there was a brief mention of these tracks by Doug P./Jon J., but that was in reference to copyright and authorship I think ("Love in Space" I think was listed as a Davey composition, that can't be right can it? Certainly it's a Brock thing, ja?) Here's what it looks like... http://home.clara.net/adawson/mastrock.html Grakkl (FAA) P.S. See you Thursday. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 10:29:26 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:29:26 GMT Subject: Manchester In-Reply-To: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical's message of Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:32:11 -0500 Message-ID: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical writes: > I was there and I thought they played an absolutely blinding set. The > Brock/Chadwick/Davey trio were outstanding with Ali Davey being a leading > force for me. To be brutally honest (someone has to be), Tim Blake was > awful as a support and inaudible during the HW set and Huw was so wasted, > he shouldn't have bothered - he couldn't even stand up. I definately got > the impression the others were embarrassed by him. It'd be a crying shame if we went down that route again. > Arthur Brown was a star > performer and pleased the crowd no end but I thought the inclusion of his > own stuff was a mistake. Gotta disagree, Time Captives is an excellent track for Hawkwind to be playing. I hope they keep it in the set. > I think he should take the time to learn some of > the words to the songs Yup. FoFP From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 9 11:12:56 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:12:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Masters of Rock CD Message-ID: Various of the different large Chains have had that priced at 3-99, on and off, I would say if you see it that cheap pick it up, the verion of lighthouse is pretty reasonable, Love in Space is a little Brief though. Not worth the 10-99 some people are trying to charge for it though Rich W > from: Henderson Keith > date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:25:53 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: Re: HW: Masters of Rock CD > > Hey Folks... > > Saw this CD in a store in Frankfurt Saturday, and would have bought it, but > didn't have any Euros left and didn't want to bother going to the bank and > getting more just for this CD. > > It's a normal compilation, but has two recent live songs that aren't > otherwise released, confirmed just now by looking at the newest Codex. V.3L > of Lighthouse and V.9L of Love in Space (ugh). > > Was wondering if the version of Lighthouse is good enough to bother snagging > this CD. I searched the archive and there was a brief mention of these > tracks by Doug P./Jon J., but that was in reference to copyright and > authorship I think ("Love in Space" I think was listed as a Davey > composition, that can't be right can it? Certainly it's a Brock thing, ja?) > > Here's what it looks like... > http://home.clara.net/adawson/mastrock.html > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. See you Thursday. From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 9 11:19:09 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:19:09 +0000 Subject: Time Captives Message-ID: Anyone who likes 'Time Captives' should try and pick up the Mother Durga CD Single by Astralasia. It has a wonderfully intense live global trance version with female vocals record at Whirl-y-gig one year. Rich W > from: John Cartledge > date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:26:45 > to: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > subject: Re: Opening Night In Newcastle > > Just a few observations. > > Overall I came away a bit disappointed, as I thought HW were well below > their usual standards. > > They certainly weren't helped by the sound quality, which was bloody > awful at times (even in the middle of the stalls where I was) with high > levels of distortion and all instruments blurring into a single noise at > times. Tim Blakes keyboards were completely inaudible for most of the > set. He seemed to be having a lot of computer hassles though, so that > won't have helped. > > The set list was uninspired (and short -- about 1 hour 25mins). Angels > of Death wheeled out yet again. Assassins of Allah -- why? Surely this > one needs retiring for a while. It's not as if they are short of > material. What about some new stuff? > > It was good to see Arthur Brown, although he definitely needs to > familiarise himself with the material a bit more. He certainly added a > touch of colour to the proceedings (and I don't just mean his gold > trousers!). He did Sonic Attack really well, and it was good to see and > hear him doing The Gremlin. > > One final point. What has happened to Huwy? He seems to be a shadow of > his former self these days and I found it a bit sad watching him > bumbling about on stage hitting bum notes and noodling away in his own > little world (Eleanor Rigby in the middle of Assassins!!). Judging from > some of the other posts I'm not alone in thinking this. > > Plus points. It was good to see Dave enjoying himself and cranking out > the riffs. Alan and Richard were excellent as usual. Songwise, The > Watcher and Shouldn't Do That were the highlights for me (the cover of > Time Captives was a nice suprise -- always liked that track). > > Sorry if this sounds really negative. I'm just calling it as I saw it. > Hopefully they'll be flying for the Xmas gig. > > On a more positive note (and apologies if this is common knowledge). > Looking at Nik Turners website, it seems that him and Dave have reached > an amicable settlement over the Xhawkwind shenanigans: > > > Nik turner offers the hand of friendship to Dave Brock at Exeter Court > > and Dave accepts as there are no winners in this fight amongst current > > and ex-members of Hawkwind except the people being paid in the legal > > system! > > > > All references to any dispute are systematically being removed from > > all websites related to Nik Turner. > > > > A message from Nik: > > > > All hail, beings of another cosmos! > > > > You'll be happy to hear that Nik and Dave have managed to sit down and > > settle their mess amicably, trying to cut through the crap and act > > like big people, shaking hands even, in order to promote goodwill and > > limit the damage in a situation where the only people that score are > > the legal professionals. > > > > Nik says there is talk of a 'joint' concert to raise money for their > > costs. What do you think? So let's make a fresh start, and let bygones > > be bygones, in the spirit of progress and brotherly love. > > > > Nik has agreed not to use the name Xhawkwind.com or exhawkwind or > > ex-Hawkwind since Dave has trademarked the name Hawkwind, and is the > > only one allowed to use it or give permission for the use of it, and > > the use of these names may infringe on Dave's rights. > > > > Spaceritual.net is a pretty cool name anyway, in the right spirit. Nik > > wants to thank everyone for their support and vision, the fans, the > > band, the dancers, the crew and Mr. Chris Hewitt for their continued > > help and support, and Blaiddwyn - for his impartial temperance. > > > > Nik also mentioned that the Spaceritual.net are performing a concert > > at Wrexham Central Station this Friday, November 29, so be there! > > > > Stay cool, > > > > Thunder Rider > > > > Make sure you see Spaceritual.net on their tour and also see Hawkwind > > on their tour! > > > Good news. Maybe we will see the Hawkestra stuff in some shape or form now. > > Cheers > > John From coral at APORT.RU Mon Dec 9 12:07:58 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:07:58 +0300 Subject: HW: Masters of Rock CD Message-ID: > Various of the different large Chains have had that priced at 3-99, on and off, I would say if you see it that cheap pick it up, the verion of lighthouse is pretty reasonable, Love in Space is a little Brief though. Not worth the 10-99 some people are trying to charge for it though I would say that Lighthouse version musically is good but not very good recording quality. Alisa From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 9 12:37:15 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:37:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool last night Message-ID: Managed to get over to the Liverpool show last night. Didn't have much time to look for other list members as we arrived rather late, catching only the end of Tim's set. Managed to say hi to Rich (Warren), helping out on t-shirts & Keef on lights. Managed to get spot pretty near the front in time for HW, it was pretty packed (& fairly small) hall so there wasn't much space to move. After an 'Earth Calling' intro (voiced by Richard) the band hammered into a fine version of Aerospaceage Inferno, with Arthur doing a fine job on vocals, followed by Angels of Death (not my favourite song, maybe, but played damn well), Out The Shadows (great to hear this again after all these years, look forward to hearing Simon play this one again), then Time Captains from Arthur, nver heard this before but it seemd to fit nicely into the HW set, Master Of The Universe flowing into Song Of The Gremlin was next with Arthur back on vocals (he got the lyrics to Master almost right!), Hurry On Sundown was next followed by Lighthouse, which Tim started solo but was backed by a full band by the end, Alan teased the audience a bit with the bass intro to the Watcher before launcing into powerful version of this song, Dave playing some excellent guitar and Huw only joining in towards the end, Assassin was next with a reworked middle similar to Palestine (though luckily no Eleanor Rigby as reported other nights), a cracking You Shouldn't Do That/Seeing It As You Really Are (with Earth Calling lyrics) ended the amin set. The band returned for a powerful Sonic Attack from Arthur which flowed into a slightly muddled sounding Space Brock. The evening was rounded of with a cracking version of Silver Machine, with Arthur dinging quite a lot of the right words. All in all a cracking, powerful gig. The band were on great from, the sound was pretty damn good (except that I couldn't always hear Tim), Huw was on much better form than the summer, though not at his best (Dave said he'd got a cold) and seemed a little lost occasionally (he didn't seem to know what to play in Assassins of all things!). Could've been a little longer at only just 90 mins though. Looking forward to Northampton tomorrow, then Brighton & Walthamstow. See you there! Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 9 15:00:29 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:00:29 -0500 Subject: Lem's bass Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:39:45 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >On 6 Dec 2002 at 19:53, Joe Loehr wrote: >> I'll betcha they didn't make any for us southpaws! >> >Supposedly there are/were only 50 made. Anyone know if this is true? >Whatever the production run, it's a rare instrument... The production run was originally supposed to be 50, but there was some sort of issue with Rickenbacker that led to them dropping one of their dealers, who several people had ordered the bass through, so the run was expanded to 60 so that the affected customers could re-order through a different dealer. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 9 15:09:54 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:09:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Masters of Rock CD Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:25:53 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >It's a normal compilation, but has two recent live songs that aren't >otherwise released, confirmed just now by looking at the newest Codex. >V.3L of Lighthouse and V.9L of Love in Space (ugh). > >I searched the archive and there was a brief mention of these >tracks by Doug P./Jon J., but that was in reference to copyright and >authorship I think ... Actually, it was in reference to the *performance-*, not copy-, right (P-in- circle, not C-in-circle). Both tracks are owned by Doug Smith. Not a surprise for "Love In Space", since that' an EBS-era recording, but "Lighthouse" was recorded a few years after EBS ceased operation, and after the Hawkestra, which I had thought was the last time he had worked for Hawkwind. Anyway, I'd consider the version of "Love In Space" to be very un-essential (unless you don't already have any of the other 8 versions), and "Lighthouse" to be essential for Hawkfans who are also hardcore Tim fans, and pretty optional for the rest of us. I guess it does show who has the clout to get Hawkwind a major label release ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 16:17:30 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:17:30 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: We still need London area gigs for 12/11 & 12/12 (The One Eyed Bishops) Message-ID: Hello. We still need to book at least one show in or around London, for January 11th & 12th. At such short notice, even the smallest gig is ok. If you have an interest in hosting a show, or an idea please e-mail us back burner, or join forces with Fee Warner and help create a double or multiple bill with ICU/ICH. Also Colin Allen has offered to help us, so if you want to hook up with him please do so. We really need to play one, before we begin the studio session on the 13th of January. Peace, Mike Burro _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 16:27:19 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:27:19 -0000 Subject: HW - Time Captives Message-ID: Hi, Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is called Time Captives (not Captains). It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song they're playing - but stands a fair chance) Cheers. Jez From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Dec 9 18:40:29 2002 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:40:29 -0000 Subject: Another Lemmy book??? Message-ID: Surely it's obvious:- "You Know You're Only Dreaming" Mark S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Another Lemmy book??? > Have I been taking too many Anadin again, or did I really see this on > Amazon? > > Mungo's World Tour: The Exciting Adventures of Munog, Lemmy & Albert Ross > > "This is the story of how an orphaned and homeless little spider monkey is > befriended by an albatross called Albert Ross. Together they rescue a > Norwegian lemming called Lemmy. the three friends travel the world on > Arthur's back helping all kinds of animals who get into danger or > difficulty." > > Now the best bit: > > Customers who shopped for this item also shopped for these items: > > Illustrated Collector's Guide to Motorhead by Alan Burridge (what??) > Kiss by Gene Simmons, et al (now your kidding, right?) > Journals by Kurt Cobain (eh?) > The Freelancer's Rulebook by Bonnie Hearn Hill (I'm sorry?) > Motorhead by Alan Barridge, Mick Stevenson (No, No, No!) > > Surreal or what? > > Captain Bl at ck From hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM Mon Dec 9 23:29:15 2002 From: hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM (Dr. Technical) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:29:15 -0500 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: But aha! theres more to the Hawkwind - Arthur Brown connection. Robert Calvert guested on Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us, which had the premier version of Steppenwolf. (Thats in 1974) Adrian was also behind Song Of The Gremlin (my own personal anthem) which Arthur sang so well on Captain Lockheed. Wagner's a descendant of THAT Wagner (ride of the valkyries, etc) and was an early synth pioneer. Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come records were heavily electronic... under Adrian's influence I think. Oh, and who appeared first in metallic facepaint... was that Nik at the Isle of Wright, or Arthur some seasons previous?? From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Dec 10 00:23:32 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:23:32 -0600 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: A bit off topic regarding the Aurthur Brown thread...., but what the hey! I think Sun Ra (he was born in Saturn in 1914 ferrchrissake) predecessed just about everyone with the trippy spacey costumes and space music ideas and the spirit of anti-commercialism, though perhaps more in a jazz vein.......ok maybe he did or....maybe he didn't....but his stuff goes way back........for fun, check this link out... http://www.holeworld.com/stellar.html Sounds like poetry that would fit well in a Hawkwind setting! From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 05:52:57 2002 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:52:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Northampton Message-ID: Dear Boc-lers, I have weakened and decided to go to give HW another chance, after my boredom at Wembley, and my continued unsatisfied yearning for new songs, and so will be in Northampton tonight. Who else will be there, and is there a pre gig pub arranged? Big Mike Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 10 06:49:21 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:49:21 GMT Subject: HW - Time Captives In-Reply-To: Jez Dacombe's message of Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:27:19 -0000 Message-ID: Jez Dacombe writes: > Hi, > Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is called = > Time Captives (not Captains). > It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. > (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song = > they're playing - but stands a fair chance) It is. I have the Journey CD. FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Tue Dec 10 06:51:03 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:51:03 +0200 Subject: OFF: Finnwind Message-ID: Official Finnish Hawkwind Association present: Hidria Spacefolk (Hel) Saunabadh (Hel) 13.12.2002 Semifinal, Helsinki Tickets 6e Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 10 07:26:23 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:56:23 +1030 Subject: Arthur Brown Message-ID: I can't answer those questions. I was still making splats in me nappies at the time. Prior to 1968 my past life was not so pleasant. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Technical To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Brown > But aha! theres more to the Hawkwind - Arthur Brown connection. > Robert Calvert guested on Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us, which had > the premier version of Steppenwolf. (Thats in 1974) Adrian was also behind > Song Of The Gremlin (my own personal anthem) which Arthur sang so well on > Captain Lockheed. > Wagner's a descendant of THAT Wagner (ride of the valkyries, etc) and was > an early synth pioneer. Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come records were heavily > electronic... under Adrian's influence I think. > Oh, and who appeared first in metallic facepaint... was that Nik at the > Isle of Wright, or Arthur some seasons previous?? > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 10 08:13:56 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:56 +1030 Subject: HW: Huw DVD Message-ID: Hello Steve, Apologies for the delay. I am awaiting my visa debit card which should arrive this week. Then I will place the order for the Huw dvd. Will you be processing the order when I place it over the net? I was just wondering as I am very keen to get an autographed copy (as you no doubt recall :-) Cheers Michael B From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 10 08:18:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:48:09 +1030 Subject: HW: Huw DVD Message-ID: s**t sorry folks - didn't look did I I'll try again sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: Huw DVD > Hello Steve, > > Apologies for the delay. I am awaiting my visa debit card which should > arrive this week. Then I will place the order for the Huw dvd. > Will you be processing the order when I place it over the net? I was just > wondering as I am very keen to get an autographed copy (as you no doubt > recall :-) > > Cheers > Michael B From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 10 08:29:39 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:29:39 -0000 Subject: HW - Time Captives Message-ID: Arthur had a habit of titling his songs in order that there be a play on words, Time Captives/Time Captains being one example, The Lost Ears/Lost Years being another. I can't remember the others, but there are quite a number of these throughout his career. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: HW - Time Captives > Jez Dacombe writes: > > > Hi, > > Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is called = > > Time Captives (not Captains). > > It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. > > (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song = > > they're playing - but stands a fair chance) > > It is. I have the Journey CD. > > FoFP > From gerald.whitworth at PARTHUSCEVA.COM Tue Dec 10 10:02:18 2002 From: gerald.whitworth at PARTHUSCEVA.COM (Gerald Whitworth) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:02:18 -0000 Subject: Northampton Message-ID: Hi Mike, Glad to hear someone else is going. Unfortunately, cannot think of a decent pub close to the Roadmender. Few pretty bad ones though. Perhaps a pint afterwards instead. Regards, Gerry -----Original Message----- From: Wright, Mike [mailto:wrightm at BRE.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday 10 December 2002 10:53 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Northampton Dear Boc-lers, I have weakened and decided to go to give HW another chance, after my boredom at Wembley, and my continued unsatisfied yearning for new songs, and so will be in Northampton tonight. Who else will be there, and is there a pre gig pub arranged? Big Mike Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 14:40:35 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:40:35 -0000 Subject: HW - Calling Mark Edmonds Message-ID: Hi, I've lost Mark Edmonds e-mail address. Can anybody send it to me please (ideally Mark!). Apologies for etc etc. Cheers, Jez From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 16:24:21 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:24:21 -0000 Subject: HW - Time Captives Message-ID: I remember being convinced that a rock club in Brighton was called "The Hungry Ears" - which always struck me as a stupid name for a venue... :-) Cheers, Rich. > Arthur had a habit of titling his songs in order that there be a play on > words, Time Captives/Time Captains being one example, The Lost Ears/Lost > Years being another. I can't remember the others, but there are quite a > number of these throughout his career. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: HW - Time Captives > > > > Jez Dacombe writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is called > = > > > Time Captives (not Captains). > > > It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. > > > (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song = > > > they're playing - but stands a fair chance) > > > > It is. I have the Journey CD. > > > > FoFP > > > From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 16:42:45 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:42:45 -0000 Subject: HW - Time Captives Message-ID: the pub in brighton is called "the hungry years" if i remember correctly colm From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: HW - Time Captives > I remember being convinced that a rock club in Brighton was called "The > Hungry Ears" - which always struck me as a stupid name for a venue... > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > Arthur had a habit of titling his songs in order that there be a play on > > words, Time Captives/Time Captains being one example, The Lost Ears/Lost > > Years being another. I can't remember the others, but there are quite a > > number of these throughout his career. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: M Holmes > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:49 AM > > Subject: Re: HW - Time Captives > > > > > > > Jez Dacombe writes: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is > called > > = > > > > Time Captives (not Captains). > > > > It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. > > > > (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song = > > > > they're playing - but stands a fair chance) > > > > > > It is. I have the Journey CD. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Dec 10 16:42:08 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:42:08 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind - from Motorway City to Eternal City Message-ID: Just gleaned from "Space-Rock Review": > Hawkwind to play the Vatican? > > Rumours abound that the reason for the cancellation of the latter half of > the UK winter tour was in fact a command from the highest echelons of the > Church. > > Following 20 years of negotiations which started with the release of the > heretical "Church of Hawkind" album, Hawkwind and Rome are now reconciled, > and the Vatican have agreed to call their site Holy Ritual.net. > > To celebrate their new found understanding, Hawkwind have agreed to play a > special Christmas concert at St Peter's, which will include their more > religious works - from the haunting "Silver Machine Requiem" through the > touching tale of what every cyber child wants out of his Christmas gifts "No > Faults And Battery" , to a dark tale of post party disaster "The Morning > Void" and its immediate corollary "We Were Born to Go". > > A full report featuring interviews with Dave Brock, Cardinal Marchinkus and > several one-eyed bishops is published at: > > http://digilander.libero.it/caricacell/ > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 17:20:16 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:20:16 -0000 Subject: HW - Time Captives Message-ID: Err, yes. That was my point, I think... :-) Anyway, you mean "was" - closed down a couple of years ago. Cheers, Rich. > the pub in brighton is called "the hungry years" if i remember correctly > > colm > > > > I remember being convinced that a rock club in Brighton was called "The > > Hungry Ears" - which always struck me as a stupid name for a venue... > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > Arthur had a habit of titling his songs in order that there be a play on > > > words, Time Captives/Time Captains being one example, The Lost Ears/Lost > > > Years being another. I can't remember the others, but there are quite a > > > number of these throughout his career. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: M Holmes > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: HW - Time Captives > > > > > > > > > > Jez Dacombe writes: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > Not wishing to appear too pedantic, BUT, the Arthur Brown song is > > called > > > = > > > > > Time Captives (not Captains). > > > > > It's on the Kingdom Come LP titled Journey - very good LP. > > > > > (I've not been to any of the gigs to be 100% that this is the song = > > > > > they're playing - but stands a fair chance) > > > > > > > > It is. I have the Journey CD. > > > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > > > From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 17:47:12 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:47:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Time Captives Message-ID: Hi, Thought I sent this before, but don't remember receiving it, via BOC/L. Anyway, all I was saying was ...... The Arthur Brown song given an airing on recent HW tour is "Time Captives" not "Time Captains". It's on Kingdom Come's Journey LP - good LP. Apologies if you've received this before. Jez From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 10 18:55:10 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:55:10 +0300 Subject: OFF: Gong 25th Birthday Party Message-ID: Hi, I was curious how good this live set is? Is it worth buying? thanks, Alisa From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 02:34:48 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:34:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool last night Message-ID: A few personal thoughts to add to Nick's review. Overall, a good show but not up there in the excellent category. Positives: Huw's playing was much sharper than previous nights. The combination was a very heavy sound. The emphasis was very much on songs with very little synth noodling during the set. Arthur Brown was excellent. The best singer that I have ever heard with Hawkwind. Dave concentrating on some very heavy riffing guitar work for most of the night. Not So Positives: The stage was too small. In particular it seemed to restrict any real theatrics from Arthur. The way that Huw was shuffling around the stage reminded me a lot of Ozzy on The Osbournes. He doesn't look very well - Huw that is. The set was shorter than I expected - maybe that was because the synth bits were restricted. Apart from Arthur's songs being included there was no new stuff. In summary, the positives still exceed the others by a fair distance. Wonder what went wrong at Northampton? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: HW: Liverpool last night Managed to get over to the Liverpool show last night. Didn't have much time to look for other list members as we arrived rather late, catching only the end of Tim's set. Managed to say hi to Rich (Warren), helping out on t-shirts & Keef on lights. Managed to get spot pretty near the front in time for HW, it was pretty packed (& fairly small) hall so there wasn't much space to move. After an 'Earth Calling' intro (voiced by Richard) the band hammered into a fine version of Aerospaceage Inferno, with Arthur doing a fine job on vocals, followed by Angels of Death (not my favourite song, maybe, but played damn well), Out The Shadows (great to hear this again after all these years, look forward to hearing Simon play this one again), then Time Captains from Arthur, nver heard this before but it seemd to fit nicely into the HW set, Master Of The Universe flowing into Song Of The Gremlin was next with Arthur back on vocals (he got the lyrics to Master almost right!), Hurry On Sundown was next followed by Lighthouse, which Tim started solo but was backed by a full band by the end, Alan teased the audience a bit with the bass intro to the Watcher before launcing into powerful version of this song, Dave playing some excellent guitar and Huw only joining in towards the end, Assassin was next with a reworked middle similar to Palestine (though luckily no Eleanor Rigby as reported other nights), a cracking You Shouldn't Do That/Seeing It As You Really Are (with Earth Calling lyrics) ended the amin set. The band returned for a powerful Sonic Attack from Arthur which flowed into a slightly muddled sounding Space Brock. The evening was rounded of with a cracking version of Silver Machine, with Arthur dinging quite a lot of the right words. All in all a cracking, powerful gig. The band were on great from, the sound was pretty damn good (except that I couldn't always hear Tim), Huw was on much better form than the summer, though not at his best (Dave said he'd got a cold) and seemed a little lost occasionally (he didn't seem to know what to play in Assassins of all things!). Could've been a little longer at only just 90 mins though. Looking forward to Northampton tomorrow, then Brighton & Walthamstow. See you there! Nick From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 02:59:56 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:29:56 +1030 Subject: HW: Liverpool last night Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool last night > A few personal thoughts to add to Nick's review. > Overall, a good show but not up there in the excellent category. > Positives: > Huw's playing was much sharper than previous nights. > The combination was a very heavy sound. > The emphasis was very much on songs with very little synth noodling during > the set. > Arthur Brown was excellent. The best singer that I have ever heard with > Hawkwind. > Dave concentrating on some very heavy riffing guitar work for most of the > night. Sounds good. Except that I quite like synth noodles. Im a big fan of noodling synths. Adds to the psychdelic atmospheric quality of the vibe of the show which also adds to the impact of the guitar "blanga" (still haven't got used to that term yet) tunes when they kick off. mmmm whats for dinner....... > Not So Positives: > The stage was too small. In particular it seemed to restrict any real > theatrics from Arthur. > The way that Huw was shuffling around the stage reminded me a lot of Ozzy on > The Osbournes. He doesn't look very well - Huw that is. That is something I dont like to hear. I am hoping nothing serious. Thanks for the review. btw? Did you get my email recently regarding me sending a cd? I never got a reply. Michael B From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 11 06:06:58 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:58 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: One Brighton hotel, and a warning In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > > I'm staying at: > The Brighton Marina House > 8 Charlotte St. > BN2 1AG > Voice: +44 (0)1273 605349 > Fax: +44 (0)1273 679484 OK, I'm booked in there as well. So what's the scoobie on the Brighton pub? Anywhere with real ale and food? FoFP From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Wed Dec 11 07:26:43 2002 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted Blair) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:26:43 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind on Radio London Message-ID: A colleague has told me that apparently the Hawks will be appearing on Danny Baker's breakfast show (6-9am) on BBC Radio London tomorrow (Thurs 12th). I have had a look on his website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/dannybaker/index.shtml and can see nothing about it there but who knows?? If it goes ahead, it should be interesting. You can find Radio London on 94.9FM. Get those alarm clocks set! From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 07:47:33 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:17:33 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind on Radio London Message-ID: maybe someone could record it or some of it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Blair To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Hawkwind on Radio London > A colleague has told me that apparently the Hawks will be appearing on > Danny Baker's breakfast show (6-9am) on BBC Radio London tomorrow (Thurs > 12th). > > I have had a look on his website: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/dannybaker/index.shtml > > and can see nothing about it there but who knows?? If it goes ahead, it > should be interesting. > > You can find Radio London on 94.9FM. > > Get those alarm clocks set! > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 09:22:52 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:22:52 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi all, Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is officially forbidden. The band do not want to be heavy on this but there are reasons why they cannot allow these activities to continue and they hope that you will respect their wishes. Like many of you, I am sad that this decision had to be made but I understand the reasons behind it and fully suppport it. I can only say that further recording and trading could prove to be highly detrimental to the band and to our future enjoyment of their music. Therefore, please respect their wishes. This statement also includes electronic distribution, such as via the ftp server. Thanks, Colin (on behalf of Kris & Dave) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 11 09:52:18 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:18 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <200212111422.JAA24146@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:22:52AM -0500, Colin Allen wrote: => Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a => decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. => => As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is => officially forbidden. The band do not want to be heavy on this but there => are reasons why they cannot allow these activities to continue and they => hope that you will respect their wishes. I just looked, but can find no mention of this on the "Mission Control" WWW site (which, we are constantly reminded, it to be considered the *ONLY* online source of OFFICIAL information about the band). So, what gives?... An official statement through official channels would be nice (...and official;). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Dec 11 10:06:15 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:06:15 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: This week Kerrang! (UK rock/metal magazine) published its Top 100 singles of all time as voted by readers In a small box to one side of main article, they listed songs that had received one, solitary vote each. BOC's 'Reaper' was one of those songs. A sad day, esp for the soul who voted for it. From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Dec 11 10:04:20 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:04:20 +0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <200212111422.JAA24146@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200212111422.JAA24146 at listserv.spc.edu>, Colin Allen writes >Hi all, > >Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a >decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. > >As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is >officially forbidden. Can you clarify this please, the 'as of now' bit's open to interpretation. Is it just for concerts from now on, or does it include all existing recordings? -- David Blair From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 10:09:29 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:29 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi Paul, Basically, Kris and Dave wanted this out ASAP. I am sure it will appear on the website very soon; however, the band are on tour at the moment and do not have access to all their normal resources. Therefore I was asked to let people know of this decision. Regards, Colin On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:18 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:22:52AM -0500, Colin Allen wrote: > >=> Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a >=> decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. >=> >=> As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is >=> officially forbidden. The band do not want to be heavy on this but there >=> are reasons why they cannot allow these activities to continue and they >=> hope that you will respect their wishes. > >I just looked, but can find no mention of this on the "Mission >Control" WWW site (which, we are constantly reminded, it to be >considered the *ONLY* online source of OFFICIAL information about the >band). So, what gives?... > >An official statement through official channels would be nice (...and >official;). > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 10:11:38 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:11:38 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi David, Certainly: No recording as of now and no trading of any recordings at all. Regards, Colin On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:04:20 +0000, David Blair wrote: >In article <200212111422.JAA24146 at listserv.spc.edu>, Colin Allen > writes >>Hi all, >> >>Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a >>decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. >> >>As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is >>officially forbidden. > >Can you clarify this please, the 'as of now' bit's open to >interpretation. Is it just for concerts from now on, or does it include >all existing recordings? > >-- >David Blair From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Wed Dec 11 10:43:39 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:43:39 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: I find that hard to believe, but it may have to do with the fact(IMO) that the song is way overplayed on the radio,and people get sick of hearing it over&over&over.......then block it from their consciousness so when vote time comes.it doesn't come to mind...(??) tim 8>)... (that's my story & i'm sticking to it) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart > This week Kerrang! (UK rock/metal magazine) published its Top 100 singles > of all time as voted by readers > In a small box to one side of main article, they listed songs that had > received one, solitary vote each. > BOC's 'Reaper' was one of those songs. > A sad day, esp for the soul who voted for it. > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Dec 11 10:57:27 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:57:27 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart In-Reply-To: <014801c2a12c$14514aa0$0c00a8c0@Tracy> Message-ID: TimElliott wrote: > I find that hard to believe, but it may have to do with > the fact(IMO) that the song is way overplayed on the radio,and people get > sick of hearing it over&over&over.......then block it from their > consciousness so when vote time comes.it doesn't come to mind...(??) That would eliminate about a half-dozen Led Zeppelin tunes. Not to mention AC/DC, Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd...hey, now that I think about it, my local classic rock station only plays about a half-dozen songs total. ;-) > (that's my story & i'm sticking to it) Try some soap and warm water. That'll loosen it right up. No, I think the reason only one person voted for Reaper is because every Reaper fan probably figured a hundred others were going to vote for it, so why bother? It happens. Political elections (in very tiny towns) have been lost that way. Or it's just that a lot of people like Reaper, but it's not their absolute favorite single. Maybe if they did top 10 it would've earned a lot of votes. Brian From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Wed Dec 11 11:21:29 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:21:29 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: If it helps, there were a lot of 2002 singles in the chart, which shows that the readership may be skewed to younger audience, who would view BOC as 'old farts music'. Sad, but true. Brian wrote: >That would eliminate about a half-dozen Led Zeppelin tunes. Not to mention >AC/DC, Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd...hey, now that I think about it, my local >classic rock station only plays about a half-dozen songs total. ;-) Well, 'Highway to Hell' & 'Whole lotta Rosie' made it, but no Zep tracks (maybe because Zep never released any singles IIRC). I was disappointed that more folks didn't vote for Reaper...esp when Marilyn Manson made top 20 (I think) for his cover of 'Tainted Love'. One consolation : Def Leppard 'Lets Get Rocked' only got one vote :o) Cheers Neil. From coral at APORT.RU Wed Dec 11 11:43:08 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:43:08 +0300 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Official Post From Hawkwind. > I can understand them. I hope I will be able to see other tour and won't > need recordings from them. > > I guess they are doing this because they are going to get a major contract > for the new album. > > Let's support them. > > Maybe they will allow it again unofficially after everything will be solved > out. > > Alisa > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Dec 11 11:47:33 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:47:33 +0100 Subject: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like elektro-groove music. IIRC she also worked together in Schema with the three members of the Seattle band Hovercraft, that include the SO of Eddie Vedder (FWIW) I understand. I saw them in Cincinnati OH and they were quite good too. Keith From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 11:00:12 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:00:12 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <002301c2a134$636ca0f0$abfa2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 19:43, Alisa wrote: > > I can understand them. I hope I will be able to see other tour and > > won't need recordings from them. > > > > I guess they are doing this because they are going to get a major > > contract for the new album. > > Yeah, I hear the label has it narrowed down to HW and B?C over who will get the contract and make them all millionaires... theo From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Dec 11 12:20:49 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:20:49 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <200212111509.KAA24507@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Really Dumb move on the band's part. Lessee.. now .. 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with immigration. 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. 5) recordings will sound worse. 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic releases. 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other Ones, SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums available and went to shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from their music! so clueless Mike ________________________________ I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. -- Joe Walsh From coral at APORT.RU Wed Dec 11 12:30:36 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:30:36 +0300 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: > Yeah, I hear the label has it narrowed down to HW and B?C over who will get the > contract and make them all millionaires... Some evil irony, yes? It's a business. Ruled not by bands but by record labels. For example, If label said no unofficial live recordings, band should follow it. Of course it can be just a myth that these recordings reduce album sales. But ok, will you go to all numerous record companies and explain them it? I know some people from this business... if you can explain them at least something that's a success. They live in their own world. cheers, Alisa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 11:47:18 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:47:18 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 12:20, Mike Montfort wrote: > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > Ya think? > Lessee.. now .. > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems > with immigration. > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the > UK. > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their > sporadic releases. > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his > bright business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the > taper community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the > Other Ones, SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio > sales. Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few > albums available and went to shows. And this is where bands make money anyway. Nobody except maybe Metallica makes ANY money from selling CDs. But a smart band with a loyal fanbase [hmm...] can make a ton of money by putting on good shows and letting the fans know they value their presence at gigs by having a taper-friendly policy. BTW, all the bands you mentioned make so much more money than HW it isn't even funny... These bands became.. should I say > it.. comfortably off from their music! > I think HW must think that somehow taping will hurt legitimate product's sales! What a myth! The only people this policy hurts are rabid fans who already buy all official releases in every format they can find. If Dave thinks he's going to somehow get rich from sales of new HW stuff to new fans--well, I guess the dope on the other side of the pond is a lot better than what we get here! Yep, stab your most loyal fans through the heart when you're a band that's limping home from 30 years on the road [when it suits you]. Sounds like a great plan! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 11:54:33 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:54:33 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <000901c2a13b$09d21320$abfa2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 20:30, Alisa wrote: > > Yeah, I hear the label has it narrowed down to HW and B?C over who > > will > get the > > contract and make them all millionaires... > > Some evil irony, yes? > > It's a business. Ruled not by bands but by record labels. For example, > If label said no unofficial live recordings, band should follow it. Of > course it can be just a myth that these recordings reduce album sales. Well, the Grateful Dead never made ANY new CDS, and they were the highest- earning band in the world at the time of Jerry's death. I'll repeat it again for the folks in the back benches: BANDS DON'T MAKE DIDDLY FROM RECORD SALES!! > But ok, will you go to all numerous record companies and explain them > it? Record companies are irrelevant to a band like HW, only the band doesn't have the courage to admit it. HW would do so much better if they self-produced all their stuff and direct marketed it. They just don't have the will to make a leap like that, for some reason. Hell, B?C didn't make a new CD for 10 years, and they make more money in a month than HW does in a whole year, because they're 'On Tour Forever' and are shrewd about managing their overhead. I think HW are getting bad advice, and they're willing to take it... I know some people from this business... if you can explain them > at least something that's a success. They live in their own world. > Well, I think they're about to fall off their cloud in the years ahead. In a few years, bands will no longer need them... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 11 13:36:20 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:36:20 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <3DF73586.23817.138ABF6@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 12:54:33PM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: => I'll repeat it again for the folks => in the back benches: BANDS DON'T MAKE DIDDLY FROM RECORD SALES!! Statistically, that is true. Worse still, a lot of bands bankrupt themselves making records. => Hell, B?C didn't make a new CD for 10 years, and they make more => money in a month than HW does in a whole year, because they're 'On Tour Forever' => and are shrewd about managing their overhead. The "On Tour Forever" is the key. I've heard it said that the record biz is a wheel that has come full circle. In the nascent days of records, bands earned their income through live shows. Records were seen, at best, as a promotional tool to attract people to come to those shows, but not as a reliable income stream in itself. When records became more popular and entrenched, and recording technology more sophisticated, there was a migration of emphasis into the studio. Live shows became a "necessary evil"---a promotional tool to sell the latest album. So long as the means of production and distribution channels were well controlled, bands could reap potentially large reward for less effort in the studio. But now, as those means of production and distribution channels are being undermined by new technology and superdistribution channels such as the Internet, many bands are finding that live performance is, once again, where their steady income lies. Bands that perform well live have a distinguishing advantage---something to attract fans time and again. (There's also more "repeat business" to be had through regular live shows than through occasional record releases.) As someone who will attend all Gov't Mule gigs within an ~5 hour driving radius, I can personally attest to the allure of a great live show! (The availability of freely traded live tapes from those gigs does not make me want to attend them any less---quite the contrary!) The shame is that Hawkwind really is a band that needs to be experienced live. I keep hearing that Dave isn't much a fan of live touring any more, though, which doesn't bode well. :-( Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 13:03:50 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:03:50 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <20021211183620.GA97357@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 13:36, Paul Mather wrote: > In the nascent days of records, bands earned their income through live > shows. Records were seen, at best, as a promotional tool to attract > people to come to those shows, but not as a reliable income stream in > itself. When records became more popular and entrenched, and > recording technology more sophisticated, there was a migration of > emphasis into the studio. Live shows became a "necessary evil"---a > promotional tool to sell the latest album. So long as the means of > production and distribution channels were well controlled, bands could > reap potentially large reward for less effort in the studio. But now, > as those means of production and distribution channels are being > undermined by new technology and superdistribution channels such as > the Internet, many bands are finding that live performance is, once > again, where their steady income lies. Bands that perform well live > have a distinguishing advantage---something to attract fans time and > again. And we will see, in this day of instant gratification and fickle fans tastes, alongside cowardly record labels that dump bands quickly insead of working with them long- haul, that the bands that can put on a good show will do okay, and even prosper, wheras the manufactured, jump-on-the-bandwagon groups with no talent, will help provide convenience stores and rapid-service restaurants an uninterupted flow of new employees... (There's also more "repeat business" to be had through regular > live shows than through occasional record releases.) > That's why B?C always did fine without new product on the shelves: they toured a lot, and put on great shows... > As someone who will attend all Gov't Mule gigs within an ~5 hour > driving radius, I can personally attest to the allure of a great live > show! (The availability of freely traded live tapes from those gigs > does not make me want to attend them any less---quite the contrary!) > I purposely didn't mention GM because I knew you would! Now I suspect that GM's official releases sell decently--why wouldn't they, it's good stuff--but those dudes pack in the audiences live, and that's where the money is... > The shame is that Hawkwind really is a band that needs to be > experienced live. I keep hearing that Dave isn't much a fan of > live touring any more, though, which doesn't bode well. :-( > Then Dave, sadly, deserves what he gets. Obviously he's clueless about the way things work, or unwilling to accept the truth... theo From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 11 14:06:09 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:09 EST Subject: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/02 9:05:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > Hi Folks... > > I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock > group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very > sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like > elektro-groove music. IIRC she also worked together in Schema with the > three members of the Seattle band Hovercraft, that include the SO of Eddie > Vedder (FWIW) I understand. I saw them in Cincinnati OH and they were quite > good too. > > Keith Bummer!! That Schema disc is fantastic, as is Mary. And what little Sterolab I've heard... Chuck From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Dec 11 14:22:31 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:22:31 -0600 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: Well then...I take back what I mentioned previously as thinking of Hawkwind as being "anti-commercial". They had me fooled....oh well. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Dec 11 15:34:15 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:34:15 -0500 Subject: Mary Hansen/Stereolab In-Reply-To: <140.4d83b64.2b28e6a1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > >> Hi Folks... >> >> I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock >> group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very >> sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like >> elektro-groove music. IIRC she also worked together in Schema with the >> three members of the Seattle band Hovercraft, that include the SO of Eddie >> Vedder (FWIW) I understand. I saw them in Cincinnati OH and they were > quite >> good too. >> >> Keith > > Bummer!! That Schema disc is fantastic, as is Mary. And what little Sterolab > I've heard... Chuck Terrible news. I once drove 6 hrs. to Boston for my first Stereolab gig. The Paradise was overflowing with people, all locked into one groove. If anyone is curious about the band, their site is http://www.stereolab.co.uk/ The albums up through Emperor Tomato Ketchup are my favorites. Brian From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 11 15:38:33 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:38:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:54:33 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >Well, the Grateful Dead never made ANY new CDS, and they were the highest- >earning band in the world at the time of Jerry's death. I'll repeat it >again for the folks >in the back benches: BANDS DON'T MAKE DIDDLY FROM RECORD SALES!! While this is normally the case (99% of all bands except for those who regularly sell multi-platinum), the Voiceprint business model actually *does* seem to pay the bands on the label well (and in Hawkwind's case, there's even more net profit, since most of the Hawk/Voiceprint releases consist of existing tapes, not new recordings). Of course, they make up for this by being somewhat weaker than major labels (even major subsidiaries like CMC) when it comes to promotion and distribution. Which brings up the next point ... There's NO WAY that "forbidding" the making & trading of live recordings is going to help the band get a major label contract as long as the band *themselves* are still selling tons of competing material via Voiceprint! (Unless, perhaps, 'Canterbury 2001' is to be the last Voiceprint release.) I stand by my firm belief that the only chance they have to get a major label contract is to pony up the cash to that guy with the same first name as me (although I'd certainly love to be proven wrong). My best guess, however, is probably seriously-wishful thinking: Perhaps they're about to (finally!) start performing material from the upcoming album, and don't want to new material to be distributed until the album actually comes out. If that is, indeed the reason, I *can* sympathize with that, since the reason is on artistic, rather than economic grounds. However, that still doesn't change the fact that audience recording/trading is the only way I can get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' show that I can stand to listen to the bass guitar on. -Doug (who saw the message title and was hoping for good news about Dave/Nik burying hatched & stopping the lawsuits ... alas!) jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Dec 11 15:51:43 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:51:43 -0500 Subject: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: I agree with you on your LP picks. I've only seen them once on the ETK tour. They played the chapel at Oberlin College here. It was amazing. The acoustics were fantastic. Its a shame. She was a great musician. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Mary Hansen/Stereolab > Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > keith.henderson at PSI.CH writes: > > > >> Hi Folks... > >> > >> I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock > >> group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very > >> sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like > >> elektro-groove music. IIRC she also worked together in Schema with the > >> three members of the Seattle band Hovercraft, that include the SO of Eddie > >> Vedder (FWIW) I understand. I saw them in Cincinnati OH and they were > > quite > >> good too. > >> > >> Keith > > > > Bummer!! That Schema disc is fantastic, as is Mary. And what little Sterolab > > I've heard... Chuck > > Terrible news. I once drove 6 hrs. to Boston for my first Stereolab gig. The > Paradise was overflowing with people, all locked into one groove. If anyone > is curious about the band, their site is http://www.stereolab.co.uk/ The > albums up through Emperor Tomato Ketchup are my favorites. > > Brian From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 11 16:00:41 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <200212112038.PAA26069@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:38:33PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: => -Doug (who saw the message title and was hoping for good news about => Dave/Nik burying hatched & stopping the lawsuits ... alas!) I guess you must've missed the news about that (posted here, IIRC). See http://www.nikturner.com/events/docs/x_files/02-11-27.shtml, wherein it is said (and I quote), "nik and have dave managed to sit down and settle their mess amicably..." (Of course, that's the view from Nik's side. I'm not sure if the view from Dave's is as amicable. Let's hope so...) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 15:04:36 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:04:36 EDT Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <200212112038.PAA26069@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 15:38, Doug Pearson wrote: > There's NO WAY that "forbidding" the making & trading of live > recordings is going to help the band get a major label contract as > long as the band *themselves* are still selling tons of competing > material via Voiceprint! That's certainly a bigger stumbling block than the circ. of live stuff, eh? (Unless, perhaps, 'Canterbury 2001' is to be > the last Voiceprint release.) I stand by my firm belief that the only > chance they have to get a major label contract is to pony up the cash > to that guy with the same first name as me (although I'd certainly > love to be proven wrong). > But HW doesn't have that kind of cash on hand, and even if they did, what label is going to take a chance on a bunch of 60-ish guys with a dubious track record? I mean, if the punters won't buy new Stones albums, what hope does a label have trying to peddle product by a band that was always on the commercial periphery from day 1? > My best guess, however, is probably seriously-wishful thinking: > Perhaps they're about to (finally!) start performing material from the > upcoming album, and don't want to new material to be distributed until > the album actually comes out. If that is, indeed the reason, I *can* > sympathize with that, since the reason is on artistic, rather than > economic grounds. > Absolutely! And if this is the case, why not make it clear to fans, rather than invite the kind of wanking speculation that I and others have been providing this afternoon? > However, that still doesn't change the fact that audience > recording/trading is the only way I can get a copy of the 'Yule > Ritual' show that I can stand to listen to the bass guitar on. > Nor does it gainsay the fact that taper-friendly bands almost always flourish because they inspire fan loyalty. Geez, if there was ever a band that should realize this, it's HW! theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 17:01:59 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:31:59 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Perfectly fair enough. I dont think it is heavy at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind > Hi all, > > Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a > decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. > > As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is > officially forbidden. The band do not want to be heavy on this but there > are reasons why they cannot allow these activities to continue and they > hope that you will respect their wishes. > > Like many of you, I am sad that this decision had to be made but I > understand the reasons behind it and fully suppport it. I can only say > that further recording and trading could prove to be highly detrimental to > the band and to our future enjoyment of their music. Therefore, please > respect their wishes. > > This statement also includes electronic distribution, such as via the ftp > server. > > Thanks, > > Colin (on behalf of Kris & Dave) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 17:10:06 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:40:06 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: Millionaires? Whats that got to do with it. Stupid comment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > On 11 Dec 2002 at 19:43, Alisa wrote: > > > > I can understand them. I hope I will be able to see other tour and > > > won't need recordings from them. > > > > > > I guess they are doing this because they are going to get a major > > > contract for the new album. > > > > Yeah, I hear the label has it narrowed down to HW and B?C over who will get the > contract and make them all millionaires... > > theo > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 11 17:12:36 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:12:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:41 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:38:33PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > >=> -Doug (who saw the message title and was hoping for good news about >=> Dave/Nik burying hatched & stopping the lawsuits ... alas!) > >I guess you must've missed the news about that (posted here, IIRC). >See http://www.nikturner.com/events/docs/x_files/02-11-27.shtml, >wherein it is said (and I quote), "nik and have dave managed to sit >down and settle their mess amicably..." Yep, saw that. >(Of course, that's the view from Nik's side. I'm not sure if the view >from Dave's is as amicable. Let's hope so...) That's exactly what I was hoping for from the message ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 11 17:15:19 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (rich.warren) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow :-) Message-ID: Walthamstow here I come :-) See you all there. It's going to be fantastic specially with Litmus playing support, for anyone who missed them at Hawkfest, they are absolutely excellent. Just a shame Quimbys aren't around as well :-) Rich W From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Wed Dec 11 17:16:20 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:16:20 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: No big deal really. We all know, and HW knows, that taping will go on as usual. This message sounds as if there is some sort of directive from perhaps record-company camps advising HW to make an official statement prohibiting such activity. Is there a new label deal in the works or something? Taping definitely doesn't hurt a band's sales or restrict its fanbase, and I've always been puzzled by the record companies' inability to understand this. All the official releases will still be bought by fans anyway... and hey, who even knows about or cares about bootlegs? the general public certainly doesn't. The only people worrying about live tapes are the really hardcore fans who are outside of a mainstream audience as it is. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net > Hi all, > > Unfortunately, and for a range of reasons, Hawkwind have had to take a > decision to make an official statement on audience recording of concerts. > > As of now, ALL AUDIENCE RECORDING AND TRADING of Hawkwind concerts is > officially forbidden. The band do not want to be heavy on this but there > are reasons why they cannot allow these activities to continue and they > hope that you will respect their wishes. > > Like many of you, I am sad that this decision had to be made but I > understand the reasons behind it and fully suppport it. I can only say > that further recording and trading could prove to be highly detrimental to > the band and to our future enjoyment of their music. Therefore, please > respect their wishes. > > This statement also includes electronic distribution, such as via the ftp > server. > > Thanks, > > Colin (on behalf of Kris & Dave) From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 17:23:37 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:23:37 -0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: Listen, Kerrang is written by idiots for even younger idiots. Despite being a UK based magazine it consistently ignores homegrown talent in favour of the latest fad from America. In fact its true to say that it ignores a lot of talent from America in favour of the latest fad from America. Its tabloid music journalism at its worst. Guess what, Nirvana won best single of all time. What an effin' joke - waste of time, highly overrated smack head loser. Long may the Foo Fighters fly Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Shilladay" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart > If it helps, there were a lot of 2002 singles in the chart, which shows > that the readership may be skewed to younger audience, who would view BOC > as 'old farts music'. > Sad, but true. > > Brian wrote: > >That would eliminate about a half-dozen Led Zeppelin tunes. Not to mention > >AC/DC, Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd...hey, now that I think about it, my local > >classic rock station only plays about a half-dozen songs total. ;-) > > Well, 'Highway to Hell' & 'Whole lotta Rosie' made it, but no Zep tracks > (maybe because Zep never released any singles IIRC). > > I was disappointed that more folks didn't vote for Reaper...esp when > Marilyn Manson made top 20 (I think) for his cover of 'Tainted Love'. > > One consolation : Def Leppard 'Lets Get Rocked' only got one vote :o) > > Cheers > Neil. > From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Dec 11 17:27:34 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:27:34 -0500 Subject: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE Message-ID: ++ Star Warriors NEWSFLASH !! Hawkwind will be guests of Danny Baker on the BBC London Breakfast show at 07:50hrs GMT on Thursday 12th December. Also, the station is holding a one hour HW special on the Sadie Nine Show at 22:00hrs on Thursday 12th Dec with interviews from Dave & Co......... The station is on 94.9 FM in the London area, and available ONLINE at: www.bbc.co.uk/london or http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/radio/radio.shtml MESSAGE ENDS + + + + From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 17:29:14 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:59:14 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded live album that is good quality than an audience recording - If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record live shows then they are not fans at all. Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change their mind about this new policy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > Lessee.. now .. > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with > immigration. > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic > releases. > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other Ones, > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped shows > brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums available and went to > shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from their > music! > > so clueless > > Mike > > ________________________________ > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. > > -- Joe Walsh > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 17:28:57 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:28:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Gong 25th Birthday Party Message-ID: Absolutely essential Dave -----Original Message----- From: Alisa To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 11 December 2002 01:02 Subject: OFF: Gong 25th Birthday Party >Hi, > >I was curious how good this live set is? Is it worth buying? > >thanks, >Alisa > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 17:31:56 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:31:56 -0000 Subject: Brighton Show Message-ID: Does anybody know where the Concorde 2 on Madiera Drive, Brighton is? Last thing I need is to be wandering around trying to find the place. Cheers, Ben. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 16:31:21 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:31:21 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <005301c2a162$ef07fbe0$65cf3944@cc177845c> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2002 at 17:16, John Majka wrote: > No big deal really. > We all know, and HW knows, that taping will go on as usual. This > message sounds as if there is some sort of directive from perhaps > record-company camps advising HW to make an official statement > prohibiting such activity. Quite likely so. But the pronouncement does nothing to ehlp the band, and definitely puts the band in a bad light. Of course, tapers will be tapers... Is there a new label deal in the works or > something? Taping definitely doesn't hurt a band's sales or restrict > its fanbase, and I've always been puzzled by the record companies' > inability to understand this. I expect they want to be portrayed as the only viable conduit for getting a band's output. They don't want the punters to get used to the idea of there being an alternative to their supply network... All the official releases will still be > bought by fans anyway... and hey, who even knows about or cares about > bootlegs? the general public certainly doesn't. And hardcore fans disdain boots anyway... theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 11 17:39:44 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: Sad news, indeed. They've been one of my favorite pop bands ever since their first couple EP's. In addition to being a fine live rhythm guitarist, she was also a great backup vocalist with wordless "bah bah duh dum dah"s that sounded so sweet and smooth. I thought that their Neu! - meets - Modern Lovers (that's Jonathan Richman's original band, for those who don't know) sound was one of the most positive and distinctive individual band styles of the early 90's. Drivers, watch out for those cyclists! (she died in a cycling accident in London, not Australia) http://www.nme.co.uk/news/103736.htm -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:47:33 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >Hi Folks... > >I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock >group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very >sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like >elektro-groove music. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 17:45:44 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:45:44 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Mike, This decision was made for reasons which are outside the points that you discuss. There are sound reasons for it. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > Lessee.. now .. > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with > immigration. > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic > releases. > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other Ones, > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped shows > brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums available and went to > shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from their > music! > > so clueless > > Mike > > ________________________________ > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. > > -- Joe Walsh > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 17:48:19 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:48:19 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound reasons which involve the future viability of the band. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > On 11 Dec 2002 at 12:20, Mike Montfort wrote: > > > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > > Ya think? > > > Lessee.. now .. > > > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems > > with immigration. > > > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the > > UK. > > > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their > > sporadic releases. > > > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his > > bright business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the > > taper community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the > > Other Ones, SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio > > sales. Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few > > albums available and went to shows. > > And this is where bands make money anyway. Nobody except maybe Metallica > makes ANY money from selling CDs. But a smart band with a loyal fanbase > [hmm...] can make a ton of money by putting on good shows and letting the fans > know they value their presence at gigs by having a taper-friendly policy. BTW, all > the bands you mentioned make so much more money than HW it isn't even funny... > > > These bands became.. should I say > > it.. comfortably off from their music! > > > I think HW must think that somehow taping will hurt legitimate product's sales! What > a myth! The only people this policy hurts are rabid fans who already buy all official > releases in every format they can find. If Dave thinks he's going to somehow get > rich from sales of new HW stuff to new fans--well, I guess the dope on the other side > of the pond is a lot better than what we get here! Yep, stab your most loyal fans > through the heart when you're a band that's limping home from 30 years on the road > [when it suits you]. Sounds like a great plan! > > theo > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Dec 11 17:52:27 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:52:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: She looked older than that in person. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Mary Hansen/Stereolab > Sad news, indeed. They've been one of my favorite pop bands ever since > their first couple EP's. In addition to being a fine live rhythm > guitarist, she was also a great backup vocalist with wordless "bah bah duh > dum dah"s that sounded so sweet and smooth. I thought that their Neu! - > meets - Modern Lovers (that's Jonathan Richman's original band, for those > who don't know) sound was one of the most positive and distinctive > individual band styles of the early 90's. > > Drivers, watch out for those cyclists! (she died in a cycling accident in > London, not Australia) > http://www.nme.co.uk/news/103736.htm > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:47:33 +0100, Henderson Keith > wrote: > >Hi Folks... > > > >I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock > >group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very > >sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like > >elektro-groove music. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 18:01:06 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:31:06 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: Seems to me Hawkwind have nothing to worry about there. They have done loads and loads of benfits and free concerts over the decades and have - untill now said nothing about the bootlegging. I doubt any of us could match them in that department. besides - what is there to whinge about? There are already loads of audience recordings around from the early 70's to 2001 or later. and Im sure everyone has em by now. Dont you think there just might be a VERY GOOD reason for this decision? Anyway - awaiting the official news from Mission :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:52 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > Well then...I take back what I mentioned previously as thinking of Hawkwind > as being "anti-commercial". > They had me fooled....oh well. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 18:03:25 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:03:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow :-) Message-ID: Indeed Rich, Litmus are a very stonking band! Now, if only I could persuade them to give up their day jobs! Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich.warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: HW: Walthamstow :-) Walthamstow here I come :-) See you all there. It's going to be fantastic specially with Litmus playing support, for anyone who missed them at Hawkfest, they are absolutely excellent. Just a shame Quimbys aren't around as well :-) Rich W From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Dec 11 18:03:09 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:03:09 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Does this mean a world tour? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of > legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound > reasons which involve the future viability of the band. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Jackson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > On 11 Dec 2002 at 12:20, Mike Montfort wrote: > > > > > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > > > > Ya think? > > > > > Lessee.. now .. > > > > > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems > > > with immigration. > > > > > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the > > > UK. > > > > > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > > > > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > > > > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > > > > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their > > > sporadic releases. > > > > > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > > > > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his > > > bright business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the > > > taper community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the > > > Other Ones, SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio > > > sales. Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few > > > albums available and went to shows. > > > > And this is where bands make money anyway. Nobody except maybe Metallica > > makes ANY money from selling CDs. But a smart band with a loyal fanbase > > [hmm...] can make a ton of money by putting on good shows and letting the > fans > > know they value their presence at gigs by having a taper-friendly policy. > BTW, all > > the bands you mentioned make so much more money than HW it isn't even > funny... > > > > > > These bands became.. should I say > > > it.. comfortably off from their music! > > > > > I think HW must think that somehow taping will hurt legitimate product's > sales! What > > a myth! The only people this policy hurts are rabid fans who already buy > all official > > releases in every format they can find. If Dave thinks he's going to > somehow get > > rich from sales of new HW stuff to new fans--well, I guess the dope on the > other side > > of the pond is a lot better than what we get here! Yep, stab your most > loyal fans > > through the heart when you're a band that's limping home from 30 years on > the road > > [when it suits you]. Sounds like a great plan! > > > > theo > > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 18:08:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:38:09 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: LOL BOLLOCKS. "....Hawkwind wont let me record officially... Im gonna be a Kylie Minogue fan and tape her concerts from now on......." whine whine whinge etc Is that whats gonna happen? HAHAHAHAHAH ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > On 11 Dec 2002 at 17:16, John Majka wrote: > > > No big deal really. > > We all know, and HW knows, that taping will go on as usual. This > > message sounds as if there is some sort of directive from perhaps > > record-company camps advising HW to make an official statement > > prohibiting such activity. > > Quite likely so. But the pronouncement does nothing to ehlp the band, and definitely > puts the band in a bad light. Of course, tapers will be tapers... > > Is there a new label deal in the works or > > something? Taping definitely doesn't hurt a band's sales or restrict > > its fanbase, and I've always been puzzled by the record companies' > > inability to understand this. > > I expect they want to be portrayed as the only viable conduit for getting a band's > output. They don't want the punters to get used to the idea of there being an > alternative to their supply network... > > All the official releases will still be > > bought by fans anyway... and hey, who even knows about or cares about > > bootlegs? the general public certainly doesn't. > > And hardcore fans disdain boots anyway... > > theo > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 18:11:13 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:41:13 +1030 Subject: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE Message-ID: Crikey.... I'll have to work out what time that'll be for me over here doon under....Im so confused teehee ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE > ++ Star Warriors > > NEWSFLASH !! > > Hawkwind will be guests of Danny Baker on the BBC London > Breakfast show at 07:50hrs GMT on Thursday 12th December. > > Also, the station is holding a one hour HW special on the Sadie Nine Show at > 22:00hrs on Thursday 12th Dec with interviews from Dave & Co......... > > The station is on 94.9 FM in the London area, and available ONLINE at: > www.bbc.co.uk/london > or > http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/radio/radio.shtml > > MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 18:11:13 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:11:13 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: I think Michael makes a very good point here; the request is perfectly legitimate and I personally have no problem with it. If any band say "no recording", then I will respect that utterly; there is no "right" to record a live performance, only a dispensation that bands may grant or withdraw as circumstances change. Even the Ozrics, who are so taper-friendly that they actually sometimes do the taping for people(!), have withdrawn taping rights from time to time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can > be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded live > album that is good quality than an audience recording - > If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. > > If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over > their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record live > shows then they are not fans at all. > Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. > Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change their > mind about this new policy. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Montfort > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > > > Lessee.. now .. > > > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with > > immigration. > > > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. > > > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic > > releases. > > > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright > > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper > > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other > Ones, > > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped shows > > brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums available and went to > > shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from their > > music! > > > > so clueless > > > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. > > > > -- Joe Walsh > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 18:28:05 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:28:05 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Now that would be an exciting thought! ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Does this mean a world tour? Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of > > legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound > > reasons which involve the future viability of the band. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ted Jackson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > > > > On 11 Dec 2002 at 12:20, Mike Montfort wrote: > > > > > > > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > > > > > > Ya think? > > > > > > > Lessee.. now .. > > > > > > > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems > > > > with immigration. > > > > > > > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the > > > > UK. > > > > > > > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > > > > > > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > > > > > > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > > > > > > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their > > > > sporadic releases. > > > > > > > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > > > > > > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his > > > > bright business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the > > > > taper community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the > > > > Other Ones, SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio > > > > sales. Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few > > > > albums available and went to shows. > > > > > > And this is where bands make money anyway. Nobody except maybe > Metallica > > > makes ANY money from selling CDs. But a smart band with a loyal fanbase > > > [hmm...] can make a ton of money by putting on good shows and letting > the > > fans > > > know they value their presence at gigs by having a taper-friendly > policy. > > BTW, all > > > the bands you mentioned make so much more money than HW it isn't even > > funny... > > > > > > > > > These bands became.. should I say > > > > it.. comfortably off from their music! > > > > > > > I think HW must think that somehow taping will hurt legitimate product's > > sales! What > > > a myth! The only people this policy hurts are rabid fans who already > buy > > all official > > > releases in every format they can find. If Dave thinks he's going to > > somehow get > > > rich from sales of new HW stuff to new fans--well, I guess the dope on > the > > other side > > > of the pond is a lot better than what we get here! Yep, stab your most > > loyal fans > > > through the heart when you're a band that's limping home from 30 years > on > > the road > > > [when it suits you]. Sounds like a great plan! > > > > > > theo > > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 11 18:36:40 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:36:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <009c01c2a167$673ab7c0$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:48:19PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: => This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of => legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound => reasons which involve the future viability of the band. I have to admit that this whole thing grows more mysterious by the minute (in a potboiler-ish sort of way:). :-) So, was it because Alan said he'd quit the band unless they issued an edict telling those mofos in the audience to stop taping? >;-) (Next crackpot theory, please...:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 16:34:42 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:34:42 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <003701c2a162$10928560$4ad0223f@studio> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2002 at 8:40, Michael Blackman wrote: > Millionaires? Whats that got to do with it. Stupid comment. > Uh, the idea being that nobody in either band is in any danger of being a millionaire, and that the money to be made on either group wouldn't amount to much. You're pretty stupid yourself! theo From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 19:10:46 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:10:46 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <003d01c2a164$bc9247e0$4ad0223f@studio> Message-ID: Well Said, thank hell it's all over. I kept my boots as mp3s because there not worth a whole cd. I was forever getting into arguments with audio perfectionists who sampled these shows at 24 bit, and the sound was still terrible. Colin, you did a splendid job, I hope you get a full time job doing sound, a bit like the hackers who are now top programmers. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Blackman Sent: 11 December 2002 22:29 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded live album that is good quality than an audience recording - If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record live shows then they are not fans at all. Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change their mind about this new policy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > > Lessee.. now .. > > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with > immigration. > > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. > > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > > 5) recordings will sound worse. > > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic > releases. > > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other Ones, > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped shows > brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums available and went to > shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from their > music! > > so clueless > > Mike > > ________________________________ > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. > > -- Joe Walsh > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 19:21:40 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:21:40 -0000 Subject: Brighton Show In-Reply-To: <001801c2a165$20f6cfd0$5cddc150@ben7e366j8rpu0> Message-ID: Ok sorted! Here are the directions: http://www.concorde2.co.uk/contact.shtml -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Ben Fagin Sent: 11 December 2002 22:32 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Brighton Show Does anybody know where the Concorde 2 on Madiera Drive, Brighton is? Last thing I need is to be wandering around trying to find the place. Cheers, Ben. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 19:24:49 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:54:49 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: Excuse me sir, but I did not say that you were stupid - I said it was a stupid comment. Big difference. Be nice now. Besides - you are the one bringing up the the idea that the reason behind Hawkwind wanting fans not to record gigs is financially based. A big assumption on your part. Now, if I only had a light so I could smoke me pipe...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > On 12 Dec 2002 at 8:40, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > Millionaires? Whats that got to do with it. Stupid comment. > > > Uh, the idea being that nobody in either band is in any danger of being a millionaire, > and that the money to be made on either group wouldn't amount to much. You're > pretty stupid yourself! > > theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 19:43:23 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:23 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind request discussion continued Message-ID: For those who think (and not thinking very very deeply at that) that Hawkwind are only requesting that gigs not be recorded because they are hoping for a BIG company deal to make millions....... lets think a little deeper...... what if (and there is a fair bit of it going on in boc today lol - so here is my "WHAT IF") what if........ a BIG tour was on the drawing board..... say perhaps a world tour that quite possibly be funded by (whomever) under the provision that the recording was limited to an official recording. Well hey - these things dont happen for free. The engineers gotta be paid - the auditorioums need up front guaratees of ticket sales and the cleaners gotta be paid. They sure as aint gonna work for free. SO WHY SHOULD HAWKWIND WORK FOR FREE. niche!! From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 19:54:57 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:24:57 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind request discussion continued Message-ID: and wouldn't it be such a small thing to ask of the fans for such an if...... I feel quite cinfident that whatever the reason behind this request it is for a good reason and uz fans ought to be a little more understanding as I am sure we all will be. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Hawkwind request discussion continued For those who think (and not thinking very very deeply at that) that Hawkwind are only requesting that gigs not be recorded because they are hoping for a BIG company deal to make millions....... lets think a little deeper...... what if (and there is a fair bit of it going on in boc today lol - so here is my "WHAT IF") what if........ a BIG tour was on the drawing board..... say perhaps a world tour that quite possibly be funded by (whomever) under the provision that the recording was limited to an official recording. Well hey - these things dont happen for free. The engineers gotta be paid - the auditorioums need up front guaratees of ticket sales and the cleaners gotta be paid. They sure as aint gonna work for free. SO WHY SHOULD HAWKWIND WORK FOR FREE. niche!! From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Dec 11 19:54:13 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:54:13 -0600 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Some bands actually sell their boots online. Nazareth has a website where you can order a few. Not much, but the price is halfway-decent and it's nice that they're making the effort. So, maybe this is another reason why the announcement was made. Since we're in "speculation mode", how about this scenario? ---incoming transmission received---- <<<<>>>> ------message begins---- Hawkwind Announces Fan-Based Program To Sell Bootlegs Online by Lou Zehr, Assimilated Press The world was taken by storm earlier today with announcements by the mighty Hawkwind that fan-taping and cdr-trading of live shows was requested to cease. All tapers are asked not to record any further Hawkwind concerts. All fans are asked not to trade any such "bootlegs" amongst themselves. In place of this, a new structure will be created. A fan-based program will now sell these recordings online. One designated taper has been officially contracted to travel with the band and serve as official "fan-taper". His works will be submitted to the quality control experts at the Neo-Quark Institute, who will master the recording to cdr and produce tasty artwork to accompany the piece of music history. Then, a fan-based cdr network will create cdr copies "on demand" each time the Hawkwind Mission Control receives a Galactic Transfer for a cdr order. The price will be quite low, as no excess copies need to sit around in a warehouse. And the band will receive a tangible benefit from the distribution of these recordings. However, for this initiative to work properly, all trading must be completely stamped out. Since it does NOT result in fewer live recordings available (rather, it results in a more reliable source and better quality), it's expected that all fans will buy into the new system. ---end of transmission--- Now, that's a GOOD reason that I would stand behind. And Colin's the guy to swing such a deal. So, Colin, is that the secretive news that you've got? Or is the speculation train of thought on the wrong tracks once again? Cheers, Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:48:19PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > > => This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of > => legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound > => reasons which involve the future viability of the band. > > I have to admit that this whole thing grows more mysterious by the minute > (in a potboiler-ish sort of way:). :-) > > So, was it because Alan said he'd quit the band unless they issued > an edict telling those mofos in the audience to stop taping? >;-) > > (Next crackpot theory, please...:) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 20:02:17 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:02:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <008b01c2a178$fecd4c90$4574a58e@HawkPlanet> Message-ID: Good idea, but why make it sound so jumped up, eh? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: 12 December 2002 00:54 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Some bands actually sell their boots online. Nazareth has a website where you can order a few. Not much, but the price is halfway-decent and it's nice that they're making the effort. So, maybe this is another reason why the announcement was made. Since we're in "speculation mode", how about this scenario? ---incoming transmission received---- <<<<>>>> ------message begins---- Hawkwind Announces Fan-Based Program To Sell Bootlegs Online by Lou Zehr, Assimilated Press The world was taken by storm earlier today with announcements by the mighty Hawkwind that fan-taping and cdr-trading of live shows was requested to cease. All tapers are asked not to record any further Hawkwind concerts. All fans are asked not to trade any such "bootlegs" amongst themselves. In place of this, a new structure will be created. A fan-based program will now sell these recordings online. One designated taper has been officially contracted to travel with the band and serve as official "fan-taper". His works will be submitted to the quality control experts at the Neo-Quark Institute, who will master the recording to cdr and produce tasty artwork to accompany the piece of music history. Then, a fan-based cdr network will create cdr copies "on demand" each time the Hawkwind Mission Control receives a Galactic Transfer for a cdr order. The price will be quite low, as no excess copies need to sit around in a warehouse. And the band will receive a tangible benefit from the distribution of these recordings. However, for this initiative to work properly, all trading must be completely stamped out. Since it does NOT result in fewer live recordings available (rather, it results in a more reliable source and better quality), it's expected that all fans will buy into the new system. ---end of transmission--- Now, that's a GOOD reason that I would stand behind. And Colin's the guy to swing such a deal. So, Colin, is that the secretive news that you've got? Or is the speculation train of thought on the wrong tracks once again? Cheers, Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:48:19PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > > => This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of > => legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound > => reasons which involve the future viability of the band. > > I have to admit that this whole thing grows more mysterious by the minute > (in a potboiler-ish sort of way:). :-) > > So, was it because Alan said he'd quit the band unless they issued > an edict telling those mofos in the audience to stop taping? >;-) > > (Next crackpot theory, please...:) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Dec 11 20:09:55 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:09:55 -0600 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Was it jumpy? I was afraid it was too twitchy, actually. Sorry... :) I certainly tried to avoid touchy-feely. Just kidding around... Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > Good idea, but why make it sound so jumped up, eh? > From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Dec 11 20:36:23 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:36:23 EST Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: These reasons that are outside the points made so far are likely the obvious: The band is trying to make official how they've felt all along. They are not taper friendly. Enough said on the subject. Is it their prerogative to not allow taping of shows? Is it the right of the paying audience to tape the show? mute point, people tape whether they are allowed to or not. Then we get into the topic beaten raw by countless discussions on these groups: if the quality tapers are muzzled, then the crap that's leftover, the real bootleggers (who don't give a crap about the bands) WILL release whatever they can get their hands on. The band will now be more represented by inferior quality shows that will be sold instead of traded. It's their call. bob In a message dated 12/11/2002 5:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > Mike, > > This decision was made for reasons which are outside the points that you > discuss. There are sound reasons for it. > > Colin From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 11 20:56:10 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:56:10 +0800 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Maybe this decision is related in some way to the recent problems with Nik using the name? It may also be that the band themselves plan to do something web-based with the bootleg material? William From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Dec 11 19:47:47 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:47:47 +0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi ya, Perhaps the reason is that Mr Brock has realised just how poor Mr Anderson has become and is paving the the way for Mr Anderson having a monopoly on live recordings of dubious quality Chris From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 20:57:14 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:57:14 +0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Bob Lennon writes >The band will now be more represented >by inferior quality shows that will be sold instead of traded. Surely this has been happening for years- Yuri Gagarin and its clones. Seems to me that if the scenario suggested elsewhere by Bryan (that they will be organising distribution and sale of live recordings themselves) is correct, then the band's request is perfectly reasonable. Mind you, this is Hawkwind we're talking about, so anything could be going on. Incidentally I'm sure I won't be the only person here who today received a mailout from Ozit wherein Dave Anderson is described as "a member of Hawkwind at the time of Space Ritual". These people have no shame! -- Nick Medford From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 11 21:03:42 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:03:42 +0800 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: I've got a feeling that is what may be happening, as there was posts a few weeks back that seemed to be hinting at something along those lines. Todd Rundgren also has a site where you pay a small yearly fee, then you can download all the material he puts on that site as well. William > Some bands actually sell their boots online. Nazareth has a website where > you can order a few. Not much, but the price is halfway-decent and it's > nice that they're making the effort. > > So, maybe this is another reason why the announcement was made. Since we're > in "speculation mode", how about this scenario? > > ---incoming transmission received---- > <<<<>>>> > ------message begins---- > Hawkwind Announces Fan-Based Program To Sell Bootlegs Online > > by Lou Zehr, Assimilated Press > > The world was taken by storm earlier today with announcements by the mighty > Hawkwind that fan-taping and cdr-trading of live shows was requested to > cease. > > All tapers are asked not to record any further Hawkwind concerts. All fans > are asked not to trade any such "bootlegs" amongst themselves. > > In place of this, a new structure will be created. A fan-based program will > now sell these recordings online. One designated taper has been officially > contracted to travel with the band and serve as official "fan-taper". His > works will be submitted to the quality control experts at the Neo-Quark > Institute, who will master the recording to cdr and produce tasty artwork to > accompany the piece of music history. Then, a fan-based cdr network will > create cdr copies "on demand" each time the Hawkwind Mission Control > receives a Galactic Transfer for a cdr order. The price will be quite low, > as no excess copies need to sit around in a warehouse. And the band will > receive a tangible benefit from the distribution of these recordings. > > However, for this initiative to work properly, all trading must be > completely stamped out. Since it does NOT result in fewer live recordings > available (rather, it results in a more reliable source and better quality), > it's expected that all fans will buy into the new system. > > ---end of transmission--- > > Now, that's a GOOD reason that I would stand behind. And Colin's the guy to > swing such a deal. So, Colin, is that the secretive news that you've got? > Or is the speculation train of thought on the wrong tracks once again? > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:48:19PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > > > > => This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales > of > > => legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound > > => reasons which involve the future viability of the band. > > > > I have to admit that this whole thing grows more mysterious by the minute > > (in a potboiler-ish sort of way:). :-) > > > > So, was it because Alan said he'd quit the band unless they issued > > an edict telling those mofos in the audience to stop taping? >;-) > > > > (Next crackpot theory, please...:) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 21:06:57 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:06:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gong 25th Birthday Party In-Reply-To: <000501c2a0a7$93a127b0$d7fd2ed4@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: In message <000501c2a0a7$93a127b0$d7fd2ed4 at ghostwheel3>, Alisa writes >Hi, > >I was curious how good this live set is? Is it worth buying? It's rather restrained compared to some of the 70s live material, but there's some beautiful playing, and I recommend it. There's a great ambient drone intro on the first disc ("Floating Into a Birthday Gig"). Certainly better than "Live to Infinitea" which I found very disappointing- saw them twice on that tour, and that album didn't do them justice. Has anyone heard the new live one "OK Friends" (unusually crap title)? This is apparently a cut-and-paste of various jams and instrumental breaks, culled from recent live sets. Sounds like it *could* be great... -- Nick Medford From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Wed Dec 11 21:14:59 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:14:59 -0500 Subject: Mary Hansen/Stereolab Message-ID: It's saddening to hear news of such a tragedy, as Stereolab is certainly one of my favorite bands. Mary will definitely be missed, but at least we still have Laetitia and Tim who will hopefully still be soldiering onward with the songwriting. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net > Hi Folks... > > I've just heard that Mary Hansen, keyboardist/vocalist of the post-rock > group Stereolab has died in an auto accident in her native Australia. Very > sad....their early albums are full of really wonderful Neu!-like > elektro-groove music. IIRC she also worked together in Schema with the > three members of the Seattle band Hovercraft, that include the SO of Eddie > Vedder (FWIW) I understand. I saw them in Cincinnati OH and they were quite > good too. > > Keith From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 21:20:59 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:50:59 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: lol - :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Hi ya, > > Perhaps the reason is that Mr Brock has realised just how poor Mr > Anderson has become and is paving the the way for Mr Anderson having a > monopoly on live recordings of dubious quality > > Chris From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Dec 11 21:27:53 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:27:53 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <005101c2a169$301f7080$4ad0223f@studio> Message-ID: Michael Honestly no I don't think that there is a very good reason. Dave has shown a recent tendency to lash out at anyone he perceives to be infringing on his trademark. He has always considered audience recordings evil. Now he has made it policy. I seriously don't expect some big announcement that all these shows will be now released or any such rot. Hawkwind management has shown time and time again an inability to get its act together.. I don't expect this to change. Do I sound bitter? You bet! I own every release in at least one media version like so many of you. For Dave to say I can't see him live in the US because of past problems with Immigration, and then say I can't hear a recording of a show I could never afford to see.. well that is just petty. I will never go to the UK to see Hawkwind. I have a family and a home with children in it. Visiting the UK for a concert would be extreme to say the least. So all you lucky brits enjoy your band. Sorry it is the way I feel. _____________________________________________ It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -- Krishnamurti ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Michael Blackman ::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:01 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. :: :: ::Seems to me Hawkwind have nothing to worry about there. They have done ::loads and loads of benfits and free concerts over the decades and have - ::untill now said nothing about the bootlegging. :: ::I doubt any of us could match them in that department. :: ::besides - what is there to whinge about? There are already loads of ::audience recordings around from the early 70's to 2001 or later. and Im ::sure everyone has em by now. :: ::Dont you think there just might be a VERY GOOD reason for this decision? ::Anyway - awaiting the official news from Mission :-) :: :: ::----- Original Message ----- ::From: Tom Clark ::To: ::Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:52 AM ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. :: :: ::> Well then...I take back what I mentioned previously as thinking of ::Hawkwind ::> as being "anti-commercial". ::> They had me fooled....oh well. From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Dec 11 21:33:29 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:33:29 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <00dc01c2a16a$99fa05a0$883dfea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Colin You said all trading and taping.. Not taping rights for a time period. Perhaps we/you should have waited till we got the official announcement if this is going to be the wording. Could have stopped this whirlwind. Which I have happily added to. If it is a permanent ban. I stand by all my words. Regardless of the reason.. stopping trading and taping hurts a band in the long run it doesn't help. It can't help the band and it won't. Darrin and I have the experience of the Jam band network. I think that experience is very valid and should not be dismissed as whining. Mike _____________________________________________ It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -- Krishnamurti ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Colin J Allen ::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:11 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind :: :: ::I think Michael makes a very good point here; the request is perfectly ::legitimate and I personally have no problem with it. If any band say "no ::recording", then I will respect that utterly; there is no ::"right" to record ::a live performance, only a dispensation that bands may grant or ::withdraw as ::circumstances change. Even the Ozrics, who are so ::taper-friendly that they ::actually sometimes do the taping for people(!), have withdrawn ::taping rights ::from time to time. :: ::----- Original Message ----- ::From: "Michael Blackman" ::To: ::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:29 PM ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind :: :: ::> Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same ::material can ::> be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded ::live ::> album that is good quality than an audience recording - ::> If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. ::> ::> If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over ::> their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record ::live ::> shows then they are not fans at all. ::> Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. ::> Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change ::their ::> mind about this new policy. ::> ::> ::> ::> ::> ----- Original Message ----- ::> From: Mike Montfort ::> To: ::> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:50 AM ::> Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind ::> ::> ::> > Really Dumb move on the band's part. ::> > ::> > Lessee.. now .. ::> > ::> > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems ::with ::> > immigration. ::> > ::> > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour ::in the UK. ::> > ::> > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. ::> > ::> > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. ::> > ::> > 5) recordings will sound worse. ::> > ::> > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy ::their sporadic ::> > releases. ::> > ::> > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. ::> > ::> > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for ::his bright ::> > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper ::> > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other ::> Ones, ::> > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. Taped ::shows ::> > brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums ::available and went ::to ::> > shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from ::their ::> > music! ::> > ::> > so clueless ::> > ::> > Mike ::> > ::> > ________________________________ ::> > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. ::> > ::> > -- Joe Walsh ::> > ::> From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Dec 11 22:11:27 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:11:27 EST Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: It's been happening for years because of the lack of quality audience tapes. Who out there wouldn't mind hearing a better sounding Yuri Gagarin, which I believe is the main complaint about that, quality (well it's mine) It is evil for folks to exploit bands and release crap and make money for it. wouldn't it be better if all the poor slobs that were "just introduced" to Hawkwind over the years actually found good recordings in the shops. Almost everywhere I go, just about the only Hawkwind cd's I see are the re-packaged crap we're always complaining about. At least around here. Very few official releases are ever seen by many on the lists, unless you count the anthologies and countless re-issues of Friends and relations. Once again, the band is allowed to state whatever policy they want. I, like others on these lists see no good coming out of all the negative statements and bickering we are all witnessing. I see pissed off die-hard fans. Is the Hawkwind fan base growing at such a blinding rate that they can afford this? bob In a message dated 12/11/2002 8:59:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > In message , Bob Lennon > writes > >The band will now be more represented > >by inferior quality shows that will be sold instead of traded. > > Surely this has been happening for years- Yuri Gagarin and its clones. > > Seems to me that if the scenario suggested elsewhere by Bryan (that they > will be organising distribution and sale of live recordings themselves) is > correct, then the band's request is perfectly reasonable. Mind you, this is > Hawkwind we're talking about, so anything could be going on. > > Incidentally I'm sure I won't be the only person here who today received > a mailout from Ozit wherein Dave Anderson is described as "a member > of Hawkwind at the time of Space Ritual". These people have no shame! > -- > Nick Medford From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 22:41:11 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:41:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <009b01c2a17b$305c7450$4574a58e@HawkPlanet> Message-ID: It's a good idea. I'm kidding too. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: 12 December 2002 01:10 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Was it jumpy? I was afraid it was too twitchy, actually. Sorry... :) I certainly tried to avoid touchy-feely. Just kidding around... Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > Good idea, but why make it sound so jumped up, eh? > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 23:22:25 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:22:25 +0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Bob Lennon writes >It's been happening for years because of the lack of quality audience tapes. I have to admit I don't follow this argument at all. You're suggesting that Dave Anderson wouldn't be releasing all those crap albums if the fans were trading more live tapes? Isn't that a little fanciful? There are two kinds of people who might buy "Yuri Gagarin" in the shop: firstly, diehard kollektors who have to have everything, and secondly, casual fans who fancy checking out some HW and don't realise they're buying a lemon. Both of these people will still buy it no matter how much tape trading goes on- the kollektor 'cos they have to have it, and the casual fan 'cos they won't know any better and probably won't be hooked up to taping trees anyway. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the band's decision- certainly I am curious as to the reasons behind it. I remain optimistic that there is a good reason. But I don't buy this idea that a thriving taping network would in any way limit the activities of D. Anderson and co. > >wouldn't it be better if all the poor slobs that were "just introduced" to >Hawkwind over the years actually found good recordings in the shops. Almost >everywhere I go, just about the only Hawkwind cd's I see are the re-packaged >crap we're always complaining about. At least around here. Very few official >releases are ever seen by many on the lists All of which seems to argue *for* them trying to limit unofficial releases, which is surely what this is about? confused -- Nick Medford From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 23:57:41 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:27:41 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > Michael > > Honestly no I don't think that there is a very good reason. Hi Mike, > Dave has shown a recent tendency to lash out at anyone he perceives to be > infringing on his trademark. He has worked hard for many years to make Hawkwind a great great band. The band has performed at free festivals - benefits given free concerts tons of beautiful music. It was Dave Brocks original vision for this band and he may do as he pleases. The way I see it he has done an admirable job. If someone misuses their trademark he has every right to see to it that it sorted out. I do believe that Daves first approach to these problems is actually contacting the people involved and then when nothing is done has no choice but to take further action. > He has always considered audience recordings evil. Well I have never heard this confirmed by any source that would be credible enough to make me believe it. Definatly people who make money from these recordings are evil in the sense that they rob artists of royalties - and artists do make money from royalties. > Now he has made it policy. and he has every right to do so. If people still want to record the night from the audience Im sure some will try. Some will get caught out and prevented from doing so. If someone is really serious about doing a good quality recording from a gig they ought to get written permission from the band and either have or hire good equipment that can be set up with the mixing desk so the recording represents the best sound possible. If A&R people are hearing some of the poorer quality audience recordings I am sure it would be off putting to them as (I am sure you can imagine) alot of those people have no idea about live music and recording etc. They hear a bad recording and all they hear is a bad band. Of course there are some very enlightened A&R types around so if there are any in this group and you know who you are I hope you dont feel picked on by what I just said. > I seriously don't expect some big announcement that all these shows will be > now released or any such rot. No, I never said that. I am actually refering to shows from possible upcoming gigs in the future. I have a feeling that the sales of the Canturbury gig as well as the recent Yule Ritual & the live 1990 double cd may have some bearing on the size and scale of future Hawkwind concerts and albums. Is this is the case I think holding off on recording (audience) Hawkwind shows is a small price to pay. Like I said - Hawkwind have given more of themselves than any band I can think of. They are not asking much from us. > Hawkwind management has shown time and time again an inability to get its > act together.. I don't expect this to change. They seem to do a grand job of organising quality concerts from the majority of the feedback I have read. I also believe that they dont have a huge number of people in the organisinational department and considering this they still come thru for the fans. Even tho I have noticed some complaints. Perhaps more volunteers for the cause? > Do I sound bitter? You bet! > I own every release in at least one media version like so many of you. > For Dave to say I can't see him live in the US because of past problems > with Immigration, and then say I can't hear a recording of a show I could > never afford to see.. well that is just petty. I will never go to the UK > to see Hawkwind. I have a family and a home with children in it. Visiting > the UK for a concert would be extreme to say the least. Can't fault Dave or the band on the Nazi - like politics of the American immigration and government officials who obviously would rather not have the bands "influence" on the minds of the american people. There are plenty of really good live recordings available for those who dont live in the UK. Space Ritual - Love In Space - Live 1990 - Live Chronicles - etc theres material from all the eras - You can see the band on the Love in space vid - and live legends and Night of the Hawks & Chronicle of the Blacks sword - I can truthfully say that if the money is available and you can manage it, it is worth every cent to go to the UK for even a short holiday - see the sites - see Hawkwind - have some fun. But I realise not everyone can do this. > So all you lucky brits enjoy your band. I'm canadian born - living in Australia but I also have a British passport thanks to my Dad being a brit :) > Sorry it is the way I feel. You dont have to apologise. Your feelings are just as valid as anyone elses. Cheers Michael B > _____________________________________________ > > It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick > society. > > -- Krishnamurti > > > > ::-----Original Message----- > ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > ::Behalf Of Michael Blackman > ::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:01 PM > ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > :: > :: > ::Seems to me Hawkwind have nothing to worry about there. They have done > ::loads and loads of benfits and free concerts over the decades and have - > ::untill now said nothing about the bootlegging. > :: > ::I doubt any of us could match them in that department. > :: > ::besides - what is there to whinge about? There are already loads of > ::audience recordings around from the early 70's to 2001 or later. and Im > ::sure everyone has em by now. > :: > ::Dont you think there just might be a VERY GOOD reason for this decision? > ::Anyway - awaiting the official news from Mission :-) > :: > :: > ::----- Original Message ----- > ::From: Tom Clark > ::To: > ::Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:52 AM > ::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > :: > :: > ::> Well then...I take back what I mentioned previously as thinking of > ::Hawkwind > ::> as being "anti-commercial". > ::> They had me fooled....oh well. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 00:05:16 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:16 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: I have never bought Bring me da head of smeg and after reading the reviews etc I doubt I will untill I hear it played to me. The albums (new) that I find in music stores around Adelaide are ussually HoTmG - Hawkwind - and the Epoch Elcipse album. I was pleasantly surprised tho when I found Masters o the univers and the Anthology 67 - 82 cd's in the trendy mall shopping centre music shop. Anything else has to be ordered. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > In message , Bob Lennon > writes > >It's been happening for years because of the lack of quality audience tapes. > > I have to admit I don't follow this argument at all. You're suggesting that > Dave Anderson wouldn't be releasing all those crap albums if the fans > were trading more live tapes? Isn't that a little fanciful? > > There are two kinds of people who might buy "Yuri Gagarin" in the > shop: firstly, diehard kollektors who have to have everything, and > secondly, casual fans who fancy checking out some HW and don't realise > they're buying a lemon. Both of these people will still buy it no matter > how much tape trading goes on- the kollektor 'cos they have to have it, > and the casual fan 'cos they won't know any better and probably won't be > hooked up to taping trees anyway. > > I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the band's decision- certainly I am > curious as to the reasons behind it. I remain optimistic that there is a > good reason. But I don't buy this idea that a thriving taping network > would in any way limit the activities of D. Anderson and co. > > > > >wouldn't it be better if all the poor slobs that were "just introduced" to > >Hawkwind over the years actually found good recordings in the shops. Almost > >everywhere I go, just about the only Hawkwind cd's I see are the re-packaged > >crap we're always complaining about. At least around here. Very few official > >releases are ever seen by many on the lists > > All of which seems to argue *for* them trying to limit unofficial > releases, which is surely what this is about? > > confused > -- > Nick Medford > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 00:12:03 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:42:03 +1030 Subject: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE Message-ID: Can someone record the interviews? I think I will be asleep when this is happening. Cheers Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE > ++ Star Warriors > > NEWSFLASH !! > > Hawkwind will be guests of Danny Baker on the BBC London > Breakfast show at 07:50hrs GMT on Thursday 12th December. > > Also, the station is holding a one hour HW special on the Sadie Nine Show at > 22:00hrs on Thursday 12th Dec with interviews from Dave & Co......... > > The station is on 94.9 FM in the London area, and available ONLINE at: > www.bbc.co.uk/london > or > http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/radio/radio.shtml > > MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 00:27:01 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:27:01 -0700 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: Hello-- Maybe this is a crappy time to ask (what with the furor over the "cease and desist" taping declaration), but I'm pretty much completely unfamiliar with the Voiceprint releases. Which ones are "must haves"? I can't afford all of 'em. :-( Thanks, Guido From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Thu Dec 12 00:22:00 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:22:00 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording, much better than lots of tapes out there, and I'm thankful to have it. The recording is very much of bootleg quality with all the glitches that go with that, but I'd rather have this music than not. The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other week with a new title and artwork, all of which is very confusing for the uninformed buyer who may not recognize that this is the same old stuff being repackaged yet again. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net > I have never bought Bring me da head of smeg and after reading the reviews > etc I doubt I will untill I hear it played to me. > The albums (new) that I find in music stores around Adelaide are ussually > HoTmG - Hawkwind - and the Epoch Elcipse album. I was pleasantly surprised > tho when I found Masters o the univers and the Anthology 67 - 82 cd's in the > trendy mall shopping centre music shop. Anything else has to be ordered. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Medford > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > In message , Bob Lennon > > writes > > >It's been happening for years because of the lack of quality audience > tapes. > > > > I have to admit I don't follow this argument at all. You're suggesting > that > > Dave Anderson wouldn't be releasing all those crap albums if the fans > > were trading more live tapes? Isn't that a little fanciful? > > > > There are two kinds of people who might buy "Yuri Gagarin" in the > > shop: firstly, diehard kollektors who have to have everything, and > > secondly, casual fans who fancy checking out some HW and don't realise > > they're buying a lemon. Both of these people will still buy it no matter > > how much tape trading goes on- the kollektor 'cos they have to have it, > > and the casual fan 'cos they won't know any better and probably won't be > > hooked up to taping trees anyway. > > > > I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the band's decision- certainly I > am > > curious as to the reasons behind it. I remain optimistic that there is a > > good reason. But I don't buy this idea that a thriving taping network > > would in any way limit the activities of D. Anderson and co. > > > > > > > >wouldn't it be better if all the poor slobs that were "just introduced" > to > > >Hawkwind over the years actually found good recordings in the shops. > Almost > > >everywhere I go, just about the only Hawkwind cd's I see are the > re-packaged > > >crap we're always complaining about. At least around here. Very few > official > > >releases are ever seen by many on the lists > > > > All of which seems to argue *for* them trying to limit unofficial > > releases, which is surely what this is about? > > > > confused > > -- > > Nick Medford > > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Dec 12 00:16:45 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:16:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Music to Be Abducted By Message-ID: http://64.106.149.201/databank/23/1149/article10943.asp Music ? Vol 23 ? Issue 1149 ? PUBLISHED 12/11/02 URL: www.citypages.com/databank/23/1149/article10943.asp HOME: www.citypages.com Space Invaders If Thousands fill the cosmos with otherworldy sounds by Rod Smith If Thousands are driven by unseen forces. Call them whatever you like: gods, goddesses, maybe even aliens. (After all, band founders Aaron Molina and Christian McShane are true UFO believers.) There's no doubt that something strange fated the Duluth-based group's first excursions into drone sounds. On a winter's day in the late '90s, a friend of McShane's went on a hiking trip in Wisconsin's Douglas County Forest. During his long trek through the aspens' lengthening shadows, he found a keyboard, just sitting in the snow. Upon returning home, the friend called McShane to tell him about it, and McShane promptly drove out to the forest, trudged deep into the woods, and rescued the dead leaf- and bug-bedecked instrument--a Micromoog--from its frosty prison. But what's even more amazing than the fact that the keyboard was nestled like some woolly beast in the forest is that McShane actually found it among the area's 268,843 acres of trees. "I took it home, cleaned it up, and it worked perfectly," he recalls. "I was a guitarist at the time, though, so I just threw it in a closet. If I had known it was worth, like, $2,000, I probably would have sold it right away." The Moog sat in McShane's closet for more than two years. Then, in August of 2000, more than two years after the Douglas County Forest experience, the classically trained vocalist and guitarist joined up with punk-rock bassist Molina. They decided to chuck their respective musical backgrounds and take up instruments that they, as their website puts it, "had no idea of how to play." Molina opted for the more organic stuff--guitar, vocals, drums. McShane chose electronics: He dragged the keyboard out from its resting place. Finally, the Moog was out of the woods and the closet, so to speak. If Thousands' sound has expanded considerably since that magical Moog moment, and the change came in part from the recent addition of Logan Erickson. An accomplished keyboardist, the 18-year-old prodigy is also a master circuit bender who creatively rewires Speak & Spells and Casio SK-1 samplers to make noises their creators never could have imagined--clicks, whirrs, hums, crackles, bangs, and some of the strangest approximations of human speech you'll ever hear. Erickson climbed aboard too late to play on either of If Thousands' forthcoming releases, Yellowstone (Chairkickers Music) and Lullabye (Silber Media), but his instruments are integral, but subtle, on both. Given the near-identical instrumentation and back-to-back recording, If Thousands' two albums are remarkably different. Both McShane and Molina insist that Lullabye is intended to be just what its title suggests: a sleep-inducing device. But such use of the music works only at the suggested super-low playback volume. Turn Lullabye up and you'll hear a seething mass of improvised sound, with guitars and electronics intertwined into hyperactive drones as warm and dense as the waters around a tropical archipelago. The Alan Sparhawk-produced Yellowstone is quite another kettle of fish. It's the work of a group that's extremely musical, far more so than most experimentalists. (Unlike many of their peers, If Thousands are not too snooty to delve into, say, melodic slowcore on Yellowstone, or try their hand at electronic beats, as they did at a recent show.) The enigmatically titled "we sent h. l. r. e.," for example, begins with a soft, rockish guitar and rhythmic Morse code beeps. Slowly, McShane and Molina add layers of crystalline electronics and glacial guitar, creating a gently susurrant, finely textured sound bed for the sampled voices that appear and vanish like ghosts. The end result is vast and mysterious--the audio equivalent of walking out into Duluth harbor on a January night, eyes fixed beyond the full moon, waiting for the saucers to appear. If Thousands is an otherworldly band, to be sure. After all, there was a time when they claimed to literally make "music to be abducted by"--and their songs have only gotten stranger since. If and when the green guys come to reclaim their Moog, McShane and Molina will be ready. Music ? Vol 23 ? Issue 1149 ? PUBLISHED 12/11/02 URL: www.citypages.com/databank/23/1149/article10943.asp HOME: www.citypages.com City Pages is the Online News and Arts Weekly of the Twin Cities From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 00:26:17 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:56:17 +1030 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: All voice print releases are official aren't they? :) Yule Ritual is a really good live album from the 2000 party. I believe the Canterbury live cd will be a voiceprint deal. I'm not 100% familiar with exactly which ones are voiceprint releases. If the Live 1990 double cd is a voiceprint release then I would highly recommend it at the top of the list. It is a really good live cd. ----- Original Message ----- From: Guido Vacano To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Voiceprint > Hello-- > > Maybe this is a crappy time to ask (what with the furor over the > "cease and desist" taping declaration), but I'm pretty much completely > unfamiliar with the Voiceprint releases. Which ones are "must haves"? I > can't afford all of 'em. :-( > > Thanks, Guido From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 00:28:54 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:58:54 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri > Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording, much better than lots of tapes > out there, and I'm thankful to have it. The recording is very much of > bootleg quality with all the glitches that go with that, but I'd rather have > this music than not. The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other > week with a new title and artwork, all of which is very confusing for the > uninformed buyer who may not recognize that this is the same old stuff being > repackaged yet again. > John Majka > jmajka2 at comcast.net Ahhhhh. Fair enough then. Perhaps one day I will fork out the money. But I need a few others before I get that one. I would imagine that the quality from release to re release is of the same quality so it wouldn't matter which one I happened to buy? (be it the latest or the earliest release) Cheers Mb From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Thu Dec 12 01:17:15 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:17:15 -0600 Subject: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE Message-ID: "Record the interviews"? For shame.... if you want to listen to the interviews you should just stay awake and listen. There should be no recordings made, remember.... Just fooling around, of course. I'd love a recording, too. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE > Can someone record the interviews? I think I will be asleep when this is > happening. > > Cheers > Mb > From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Dec 12 01:52:06 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:52:06 -0500 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: Hi Guido! Well, here's my totally biased personal opinion on the entire Voiceprint ouevre. All IMHO remember: HAWKVP5CD AtomHenge ------------------- Not got this. Live 1976 album, heard some of the tracks, sound quality is good to middling. If you want live versions of ASAM material, this is for you. Almost identical to Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures, I believe. HAWKVP16CD Book/CD ------------------ Huh? This is listed on Voiceprint's site, no other details available. Looks like something new. Adrian Parr's book???? HAWKVP22CD Canterbury Fayre 2001 -------------------------------- I've got the boot of this, which is very topical, and I will be buying the album and destroying my copy of the boot. Excellent live HW, a lot of mid- 70's and early 80's material. BP309CD Dawn of Hawkwind ------------------------ No. Not a must-have. HAWKVP13CD Family Tree ---------------------- Solo tracks by current & ex-members, and I nearly always find the solo stuff v disappointing compared to HW. Not a must-have. HAWKVP17CD In Your Area ----------------------- Well this is a core album, but it's...lame... Thrashy stuff courtesy of Ron Tree/Jerry Richards interspersed with ambient keyboard noodlings. Not a must-have. HAWKVP1CD Live At Glastonbury 1990 ---------------------------------- The one with the dog barking. No. HAWKVP12CD Nottingham 90 ------------------------ If you like live albums, this is a good one. California Brainstorm or Palace Springs are probably better, and from the same period, but this is all right. Maybe give this a miss and get the Classic Rock DVD cuz the better half of this set is the soundtrack to that DVD. HAWKVP4CD Official Bootleg vol 1: Complete 79 --------------------------------------------- Bootleg quality. If you've got Live 79 I wouldn't bother with this. HAWKVP3CD Official Bootleg vol 2: Choose Your Masques ----------------------------------------------------- Ditto, but substitute Choose Your Masques for Live 79. HAWKVP18CD Spacebrock --------------------- Well this is a strange one. None of it is new, but it hangs together very nicely. Think of it as Church of Hawkwind Vol 2.... I'd get this. HAWKVP6CD The Weird Tapes 1 --------------------------- Oh you must, you must, you must :-) Sonic Assassins stuff!! HAWKVP7CD The Weird Tapes 2 --------------------------- Must have. HAWKVP8CD The Weird Tapes 3 --------------------------- ESSENTIAL! The best bits of Watchfield 75 and Stonehenge 77. The latter especially was a blinding gig, which I missed seeing by one day as HW's press office misinformed me as to when they were playing, grrrrrr! HAWKVP9CD The Weird Tapes 4 --------------------------- Awesome punky live performance from the Hawklords. A Must-have. HAWKVP10CD The Weird Tapes 5 ---------------------------- Live stuff from 76 and 77, sound quality a bit iffy, but I like this! Must have. HAWKVP11CD The Weird Tapes 6 ---------------------------- Live stuff from the early 70's, yeah, you need this one. HAWKVP14CD The Weird Tapes 7 ---------------------------- Dave Brock demos, strangely compelling. Buy if funds allow. HAWKVP19CD Yule Ritual - London Astoria 29.12.2000 -------------------------------------------------- Stonking live album, a bit over-produced. I'd put this on a par with the Do Not Panic album. Must-have. The above listing from Voiceprint's new URL: http://www.voiceprint.org.uk/catalogue.php/Artist/H/#Hawkwind Hope that helps, happy hunting Guido Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:27:01 -0700, Guido Vacano wrote: >Hello-- > > Maybe this is a crappy time to ask (what with the furor over the >"cease and desist" taping declaration), but I'm pretty much completely >unfamiliar with the Voiceprint releases. Which ones are "must haves"? I >can't afford all of 'em. :-( > >Thanks, Guido From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 01:52:36 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:52:36 EST Subject: OFF:"Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/9 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . NOTE: SDNC will not air this week (12/16) -- I have a temp-job that will occupy my Fri and Sat nights. Anish will air "Black Lodge" in my wake...see ya's the following week. 12/9 1.Helios Creed "Monster Lust" (Superior Catholic Finger; Cleopatra) 2.Liquid Sound Company "title-track" (Inside the Acid Temple; Brainticket) 3.ST 37 "Sweet Thought" (Down on Us; Emperor Jones ) 4.Circle "DNA" (Surface; Metamorphos) 5.Sundial "Sunstroke/Mind Train" (Reflecter; UFO/Dutch East Indian Trading) 6.Korai Orom "track #1 (Sound and Vision 2000) 7.Census of Hallucinations "Have Him Stripped and Washed and Sent to My Tent" (The 3rd Eye; Stone Premonitions) 8.The Orb "Centuries" (Cydonia; MCA) 9.Ozone Player "Inzekt Danz" (E; Visual Power ) 10.Avey Tare and Panda Bear "In the Singing Box" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 11.Alien Planetscapes "Radiation King" (Life on Earth; Galactus/AP) 12.Upsilon Acrux "Fielding Melling" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 13.Soft Machine "Facelift" (Third; Columbia) 14.Faust "Up from the Underworld " (Flourescent Tunnelvision comp; Submergence/Mother West) 15.Klaus Schulze "Gewitter" (Irrlicht; Fnac) 16.Thuja "track #3" (Ghost Plants; Emperor Jones) 17.Melting Euphoria "Inner Vastness of Space" (Through the Strands of Time; Stratospheric) thanks, Chuck From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Thu Dec 12 01:46:21 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:46:21 -0600 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Majka > > Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri > > Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording... > > ---snip--- > > The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other > > week with a new title and artwork. ----- The Reply Was ----- From: "Michael Blackman" > Ahhhhh. Fair enough then. Perhaps one day I will fork out the money. But > I need a few others before I get that one. I would imagine that the quality > from release to re release is of the same quality so it wouldn't matter > which one I happened to buy? (be it the latest or the earliest release) > > Cheers > Mb Everybody should have one copy of Yuri Gargarin, but I'm not sure everybody should pay for their copy. It's worth a listen, and it's got historical significance. I actually listened to one of my many copies last month (using headphones) and was able to enjoy it for the first time ever. I listened to it as if it were a bootleg, and not as an album, and gave it the technical listen I would give any other illicit recording (trying to hear flaws, such as tiny clicks, etc that might be improved upon in other versions). But to pay for it is something else, as it won't benefit the band in any way. I've bought it enough that I cringe now when I catch myself getting yet another copy and forking over my cash. My point is actually this -- I've got about 5 of these Yuri Gagarin discs, even though I've never really enjoyed it. From time to time I've had some money in my pocket, and I needed to buy Hawkwind, and the latest Yuri Gagarin was all there was, so I've snapped them up. It doesn't stop there -- I've had every single Hawkwind title multiple times. I've often sold some of them for money, but I've always bought them back again later elsewhere. I've bought vinyl, cassettes, cds, videotapes, dvds, etc. And my collection is pretty insignificant compared to some of the guys out there. So, considering that I've got everything (most in multiple quantities), and that I'm continuing to buy more (on a continual basis), and I STILL NEED MORE, does that make me a bit insatiable or something? I understand it's totally the band's decision if they support or discourage any fan like myself who might want to collect even more recordings. I can't fault them either way -- they've got the freedom of choice. But you've argued tonight that we should not get disappointed when the band makes such a decision. You've written emails that say how the various live albums should be good enough. "There's lots of official live albums from every era, so that should be good enough." But Michael, if your collection doesn't even include Yuri Gagarin (and I've got many of them), then do you really understand where I'm coming from? Do you really think you can persuade me that I don't need any more live recordings? With some other bands that I collect (such as Blackmore's Rainbow), all the songs basically sound the same, so one or two live recordings per tour is good enough. No big deal. But with Hawkwind, you might get a different sound on each night. There's a good chance of hearing something totally unique from one night to the next. This is part of the whole appeal of Hawkwind to me. Not only do I have a voracious appetite for listening to this band, I also have a compelling interest in building up some historical archive of the various musical moments in the band. If that means seeking out ten or fifteen live recordings per tour, then it sounds good to me. So you see, I think we're coming from slightly different perspectives. You say that you'll buy Yuri eventually, but that you've got a few others you need first. I've got all the Yuri's that I can fit on my shelf (and I'll buy more if I find any other variations and if I have the cash on hand that day), and I'm building up a stock of extra copies of the other more essential albums, too. And I'm not even what I'd consider a Kompletist. (I've only been collecting for about 16-18 years, so I'm a raw rookie compared to some people here.) So please, don't try to persuade me that a lack of taping for future gigs will not be disappointing for me. I live so far from any city that even if Hawkwind came to Canada I'd be too far away to see them play. Any limit to trading is going to be quite personally difficult to deal with. Should you feel sorry for me? No. Should the band change their policy to appease me? No. But should you try to persuade me that this was a good decision and that there'll be plenty of official album releases to console me? No, that's impossible. They'd have to come out with a new recording at least once a month to keep me busy and happy. And that's not going to happen, unless they begin releasing boots online. (And not for download, as I'm on a slow modem and won't be able to access anything that way....) Given the choice, I'd always take an official album over an audience recording. But there's only so much that you can buy, and then you've got it all, and then the audience recording starts to seem pretty important, too.... Sorry if this sounds personal, as I'm not angry at you in any way. You're a great guy, and I appreciate that you're sticking up for the band despite some negative comments. But I do hope to give you some added insight and perspective. And I hope that I've not offended anybody here. That's all I've got on this thread (on this mailing list). Peace to all the Hawkpersons. Bryan From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 02:52:31 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:22:31 +1030 Subject: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE Message-ID: LoL! I think recording the interview would be otay for a poor liddle fan way down hea in oztraylia :) Promise I will eat mp3 after listening to it so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Young To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE > "Record the interviews"? > > For shame.... if you want to listen to the interviews you should just stay > awake and listen. There should be no recordings made, remember.... > > Just fooling around, of course. I'd love a recording, too. > > Bryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: HW: BBC RADIO APPEARANCE > > > > Can someone record the interviews? I think I will be asleep when this is > > happening. > > > > Cheers > > Mb > > > From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 12 03:21:03 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:21:03 +0200 Subject: OFF: totaly off Message-ID: Hi! I need help. I saw jacket in Ebay what I looking for. There is text: This jacket would fit a person from maybe 5'8- 6'1. What that is in centimeters? Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Thu Dec 12 03:38:57 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:38:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: totaly off In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20021212093024.00b0f1a0@laatikko.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: In article <4.3.1.0.20021212093024.00b0f1a0 at laatikko.saunalahti.fi>, Miikka Wagner writes >Hi! > >I need help. I saw jacket in Ebay what I looking for. There is text: This >jacket would fit a person from maybe 5'8- 6'1. What that is in centimeters? 172.72cm to 185.42cm -- David Blair From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 12 03:43:53 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:43:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: totaly off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you!!!!! At 08:38 12.12.2002 +0000, you wrote: >In article <4.3.1.0.20021212093024.00b0f1a0 at laatikko.saunalahti.fi>, >Miikka Wagner writes > >Hi! > > > >I need help. I saw jacket in Ebay what I looking for. There is text: This > >jacket would fit a person from maybe 5'8- 6'1. What that is in centimeters? > >172.72cm to 185.42cm > >-- >David Blair From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 04:27:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:57:09 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: You wouldn't happen to have a spare ASAM for sale then would you? :) Or anyone?? hehe I'm also sadly lacking a griffin Warrior cd - box or otherwise (but I was lucky enough to get a dojo copy - cheers! you know who you are!) The good news is that I have secured a QS&C cd!! Yahhhhoooo!! I fully understand and appreciate where you are coming from. I also have a huge need or wanting to hear as many recordings as possible. Different version of favourite songs and possibly occassionally some jams that I may not have heard. and I freely admit that I have a nice collection of shows from 1970 to 2001 to listen to. Even the worst quality of the batch are a joy for me to hear. But now that there has been word that the band would like concert recording to cease and trading (whatever it is/was) to cease and that it will soon be an official announcement I will personally choose to do that. Theres no way in hell I'm gonna look down on anyone if they choose to continue collecting and trading. But I will say something if I think an unfair comment is made about Hawkwind. The only reason I haven't bought a Yuri cd yet is because the cd's I need to complete my collection are mostly in the extremly hi price range and only available seemingly via ebay apart from the new stuff that is becoming available thru voice print lately. Its on the list but further down the list :) Peace Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Young To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Majka > > > Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri > > > Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording... > > > ---snip--- > > > The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other > > > week with a new title and artwork. > > > ----- The Reply Was ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > > Ahhhhh. Fair enough then. Perhaps one day I will fork out the money. > But > > I need a few others before I get that one. I would imagine that the > quality > > from release to re release is of the same quality so it wouldn't matter > > which one I happened to buy? (be it the latest or the earliest release) > > > > Cheers > > Mb > > Everybody should have one copy of Yuri Gargarin, but I'm not sure everybody > should pay for their copy. It's worth a listen, and it's got historical > significance. I actually listened to one of my many copies last month > (using headphones) and was able to enjoy it for the first time ever. I > listened to it as if it were a bootleg, and not as an album, and gave it the > technical listen I would give any other illicit recording (trying to hear > flaws, such as tiny clicks, etc that might be improved upon in other > versions). But to pay for it is something else, as it won't benefit the > band in any way. I've bought it enough that I cringe now when I catch > myself getting yet another copy and forking over my cash. > > My point is actually this -- I've got about 5 of these Yuri Gagarin discs, > even though I've never really enjoyed it. From time to time I've had some > money in my pocket, and I needed to buy Hawkwind, and the latest Yuri > Gagarin was all there was, so I've snapped them up. It doesn't stop > there -- I've had every single Hawkwind title multiple times. I've often > sold some of them for money, but I've always bought them back again later > elsewhere. I've bought vinyl, cassettes, cds, videotapes, dvds, etc. And > my collection is pretty insignificant compared to some of the guys out > there. > > So, considering that I've got everything (most in multiple quantities), and > that I'm continuing to buy more (on a continual basis), and I STILL NEED > MORE, does that make me a bit insatiable or something? I understand it's > totally the band's decision if they support or discourage any fan like > myself who might want to collect even more recordings. I can't fault them > either way -- they've got the freedom of choice. > > But you've argued tonight that we should not get disappointed when the band > makes such a decision. You've written emails that say how the various live > albums should be good enough. "There's lots of official live albums from > every era, so that should be good enough." But Michael, if your collection > doesn't even include Yuri Gagarin (and I've got many of them), then do you > really understand where I'm coming from? Do you really think you can > persuade me that I don't need any more live recordings? > > With some other bands that I collect (such as Blackmore's Rainbow), all the > songs basically sound the same, so one or two live recordings per tour is > good enough. No big deal. But with Hawkwind, you might get a different > sound on each night. There's a good chance of hearing something totally > unique from one night to the next. This is part of the whole appeal of > Hawkwind to me. Not only do I have a voracious appetite for listening to > this band, I also have a compelling interest in building up some historical > archive of the various musical moments in the band. If that means seeking > out ten or fifteen live recordings per tour, then it sounds good to me. > > So you see, I think we're coming from slightly different perspectives. You > say that you'll buy Yuri eventually, but that you've got a few others you > need first. I've got all the Yuri's that I can fit on my shelf (and I'll > buy more if I find any other variations and if I have the cash on hand that > day), and I'm building up a stock of extra copies of the other more > essential albums, too. And I'm not even what I'd consider a Kompletist. > (I've only been collecting for about 16-18 years, so I'm a raw rookie > compared to some people here.) > > So please, don't try to persuade me that a lack of taping for future gigs > will not be disappointing for me. I live so far from any city that even if > Hawkwind came to Canada I'd be too far away to see them play. Any limit to > trading is going to be quite personally difficult to deal with. Should you > feel sorry for me? No. Should the band change their policy to appease me? > No. But should you try to persuade me that this was a good decision and > that there'll be plenty of official album releases to console me? No, > that's impossible. They'd have to come out with a new recording at least > once a month to keep me busy and happy. And that's not going to happen, > unless they begin releasing boots online. (And not for download, as I'm on > a slow modem and won't be able to access anything that way....) > > Given the choice, I'd always take an official album over an audience > recording. But there's only so much that you can buy, and then you've got > it all, and then the audience recording starts to seem pretty important, > too.... > > Sorry if this sounds personal, as I'm not angry at you in any way. You're a > great guy, and I appreciate that you're sticking up for the band despite > some negative comments. But I do hope to give you some added insight and > perspective. And I hope that I've not offended anybody here. > > That's all I've got on this thread (on this mailing list). Peace to all the > Hawkpersons. > > Bryan From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 04:29:38 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:59:38 +1030 Subject: OFF: totaly off Message-ID: I am 5"11 which is 178cm or 180cm in the oz army - an extra two cm for some reason ----- Original Message ----- From: Miikka Wagner To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: OFF: totaly off > Hi! > > I need help. I saw jacket in Ebay what I looking for. There is text: This > jacket would fit a person from maybe 5'8- 6'1. What that is in centimeters? > > Miikka Wagner > E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net > > Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry > http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 > E- mail: finn.wind at sci.fi From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Dec 12 04:36:27 2002 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:36:27 -0500 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: hello there i'm new to this discussion list stuff, but just to let all hawk fans out there, that myself together with my "co - curator" mr s. lilly will be launching our new web site at hawkwindmuseum.co.uk in the very near future, hope to see you all visiting in the near future.will give further posting on our "official launch" regards dave p.s - will e-mail starfarer aka sjyoules personally with more details, cheers mate ! From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 04:46:50 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:46:50 -0500 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: I have an original tape (weird 102) which I take it has resurfaced as Weird tapes 2 Hawkwind/Hawklords stuff. Where did all this stuff originate. I can't remember where I got this tape, but it looks quite bootleggy-was it an official release? From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 04:57:08 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:27:08 +1030 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: Hello Dave! Welcome to the list. I will most definatly be looking forward to visiting your web page. May I ask, how long have you been a fan and what album got you hooked? Cheers Michael B (sometimes known as Elric) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE > hello there > > i'm new to this discussion list stuff, but just to let all hawk fans out > there, that myself together with my "co - curator" mr s. lilly will be > launching our new web site at hawkwindmuseum.co.uk in the very near future, > hope to see you all visiting in the near future.will give further posting > on our "official launch" > > regards > > dave > > p.s - will e-mail starfarer aka sjyoules personally with more details, > cheers mate ! > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 04:58:45 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:28:45 +1030 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: I believe they were originally released as cassettes and recently reissued on cd. Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Voiceprint > I have an original tape (weird 102) which I take it has resurfaced as > Weird tapes 2 Hawkwind/Hawklords stuff. Where did all this stuff > originate. I can't remember where I got this tape, but it looks quite > bootleggy-was it an official release? > From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Dec 12 05:11:09 2002 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:11:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Official post ...where is it? Message-ID: can somebody please email me that Official post from Hawkwind...? can't seem to find it. something is missing in my digest between 10th and 11th this month... thanks! cheers, ketil svendsen fast at start.no From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 12 05:25:11 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:25:11 -0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: Perhaps this is also because most of Kerrang's readership nowadays don't know the song? ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Shilladay To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart > This week Kerrang! (UK rock/metal magazine) published its Top 100 singles > of all time as voted by readers > In a small box to one side of main article, they listed songs that had > received one, solitary vote each. > BOC's 'Reaper' was one of those songs. > A sad day, esp for the soul who voted for it. > From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Dec 12 05:53:43 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:53:43 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: Chris wrote ..... Perhaps this is also because most of Kerrang's readership nowadays don't know the song? (Reaper) Very probably. As someone else on the list, (sorry I've deleted the post), pointed out, K! is more than a bit of a 'rag', which seems only interested in nu-metal and other such new fangled stuff :o) Perhaps if Slipknot covered it ........ From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 12 05:55:23 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:55:23 +0200 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE In-Reply-To: <200212120936.EAA02567@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: You are welcome, welcome, welcome... At 04:36 12.12.2002 -0500, you wrote: >hello there > >i'm new to this discussion list stuff, but just to let all hawk fans out >there, that myself together with my "co - curator" mr s. lilly will be >launching our new web site at hawkwindmuseum.co.uk in the very near future, >hope to see you all visiting in the near future.will give further posting >on our "official launch" > >regards > >dave > >p.s - will e-mail starfarer aka sjyoules personally with more details, >cheers mate ! Captain Wagner Official Finnish Hawkwind Association finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 06:27:19 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:57:19 +1030 Subject: HW: Official post ...where is it? Message-ID: Do you mean the original post from Collin? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ketil Svendsen To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: HW: Official post ...where is it? > can somebody please email me that Official post from Hawkwind...? can't seem to > find it. something is missing in my digest between 10th and 11th this month... > thanks! > > cheers, > ketil svendsen > fast at start.no From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Thu Dec 12 06:29:43 2002 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:29:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Taping Policy Nonsense Message-ID: Well, it has taken me an hour or so to read all the posts about this and it all seems quite pointless in the end. 1. Dave, must realize that he can not stop people from recording the concerts unless he pays for metal detectors that everyone must walk through to get into the concert (I have seen this a some clubs in the US), then it is impossible to sneak a decent recorder in. 2. The quality of recordings that do get out will be of lesser quality and of more value to the people who want to hear the music, since perhaps fewer recordings will surface. 3. You will ultimately create a bootleg market for your music and do exactly the opposite of what you want to achieve. 4. The only way I can see the band making a success out of this is that they record all the concerts themselves and release them all themselves. This way, everyone wins. Pearl Jam for instance makes all their concerts available to the fans, as does Gas Giant, the band I play synthesizer in as a guest. 5. In the end, tape trading is a proven method to bring in more fans. Porcupine Tree has a reputation of being very anti-taping but I think that even they have realized that you can't stop it and in the end it gives you a larger fan base. Just my 2 cents..... scott Ob CD- Noetics- Cohearence (germany 2001) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 12 07:09:19 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:19 EDT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: <00b901c2a174$e29ccb80$4ad0223f@studio> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2002 at 10:54, Michael Blackman wrote: > Excuse me sir, but I did not say that you were stupid - I said it was > a stupid comment. Big difference. Be nice now. > That's a bit like saying 'I didn't say your mother is ugly, I said she is ugly-looking!' theo From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Dec 12 08:18:53 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:18:53 -0500 Subject: Official post ...where is it? In-Reply-To: <3DF860BC.A9F131F9@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: It doesn't exist yet. This whirlwind was set off by one of the list members forwarding Dave and Kris' wishes unofficially. Mission Control is supposed to have an update and official release soon. If anyone cares I'm a lot less hot today than yesterday.. I still love the music.. and I'm keeping my plates NY'ers.. so you can't have em! Mike ________________________________ I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. -- Joe Walsh ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Ketil Svendsen ::->Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:11 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: HW: Official post ...where is it? ::-> ::-> ::->can somebody please email me that Official post from ::->Hawkwind...? can't seem to ::->find it. something is missing in my digest between 10th and ::->11th this month... ::->thanks! ::-> ::->cheers, ::->ketil svendsen ::->fast at start.no ::-> From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Dec 12 08:37:54 2002 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:54 -0500 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: i'm celebrating my 20th anniversary as a "hawk fan", album that got me "hooked" - levitation. off to W'stow tomorrow, first time in 10 yrs that i've seen the band!!! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 08:14:07 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:07 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: > If it helps, there were a lot of 2002 singles in the chart, which shows > that the readership may be skewed to younger audience, who would view BOC > as 'old farts music'. > Sad, but true. Yes, just like some of us old farts might not have given stuff by the Beatles, or Elvis, or Little Richard their due. I wouldn't be too concerned that a song writeen over 25 years ago is not on the radar of a lot of metal heads today. > I was disappointed that more folks didn't vote for Reaper...esp when > Marilyn Manson made top 20 (I think) for his cover of 'Tainted Love'. > Which completely destroys any credibility that this poll has in my mind. John From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Dec 12 09:12:06 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:12:06 -0000 Subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/dannybaker/master_clipofthe day_new.shtml Message-ID: Mention of this mornings appearance from HW and a picture on the BBC London web site now. From Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US Thu Dec 12 09:16:41 2002 From: Jason.Scruton at DFA.STATE.NY.US (Scruton, Jason) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: The Crawdaddy! book Message-ID: Pawul Williams' collection of 'highlights' of Crawdaddy! magazine is out on Hal Leonard Press. Its a big book, 300-ish pages, but I find some of his choices hit or miss, but not-so-strangely reflecting the waning interest he had in running the 'zine at the time.. The last handful of chapters are lumping togethers, like "issues 13 and 14" ,featuring primarily "the News" columns from the ma back then and an article or two from each ish. He actually decided to put all the news columns done for the mag into the collection, to "provide" context.. I would have preferred more articles that he only gives a synopsis of in the retrospective essays in each chapter. One can only read so much about vague hints of new material that obviously never materialized in a lot of cases. Eh. Directly BOC-speakin', he mentions that Allen Lanier and Albert Bouchard did article/LP reviews. Also, gives a quickie history of SFU turning into BOC. That's nice. As for Meltzer and Pearlman, book describes how those guys got pulled into writing for Crawdad, and that one issue was actually edited by Sandy with help from two others in Paul's absence. from what I remember,pieces included are Pearlman's pieces on the Byrds (which RM uses in the Aesthetics of Rock) and another one on Raga Rock, a review of a temptations(?) live disc and the stones' "got live if you want it" -- describing the sound as "metal"on this one disc. Meltzer's "Spyder turner's raunch epistemology", and "Ptyhagoras the cave painter." In the historical 'essays' which preface each chapter, Williams mentions a cartoon that Meltzer and his then-girlfriend had put in one issue, which pushed Williams' editorial buttons, so to speak. Also, he (P.W.) did seem somewhat ruffled by the article "What a goddamn great 2nd album by Cream." More when I read more of it. It's kinda inappropriate to read it at work ;) On with the headphones. Jason From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Dec 12 09:17:16 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:17:16 -0500 Subject: HW: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike Montfort wrote: > If anyone cares I'm a lot less hot today than yesterday.. I still love the > music.. and I'm keeping my plates NY'ers.. so you can't have em! I just got my new ones Tuesday. No special message, just the usual. However, I did see a NY plate a few months back that had me rolling. I'm driving along and as I get close to the car ahead I see this plate: DICKSCAR It took me a minute to realize it said Dick's Car and not the other possibility. I couldn't stop laughing. Why would someone would want to broadcast a disfigurement like that.... Thanks for bearing with my juvenile moment for the day, Brian P.S. Has anyone seen a BOC plate? Or have one? From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Dec 12 09:25:07 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:25:07 -0500 Subject: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a guy in the Albany area with IMAGNIOS Ive talked to him at a gas station.. he's a big fan.. but not online. Mike ________________________________ The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. -- Paul Fix ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Brian Halligan ::->Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:17 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: HW: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) ::-> ::-> ::->Mike Montfort wrote: ::-> ::->> If anyone cares I'm a lot less hot today than yesterday.. I ::->still love the ::->> music.. and I'm keeping my plates NY'ers.. so you can't have em! ::-> ::->I just got my new ones Tuesday. No special message, just the ::->usual. However, ::->I did see a NY plate a few months back that had me rolling. I'm driving ::->along and as I get close to the car ahead I see this plate: ::-> ::->DICKSCAR ::-> ::->It took me a minute to realize it said Dick's Car and not the other ::->possibility. I couldn't stop laughing. Why would someone would want to ::->broadcast a disfigurement like that.... ::-> ::->Thanks for bearing with my juvenile moment for the day, ::->Brian ::-> ::->P.S. Has anyone seen a BOC plate? Or have one? From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Dec 12 09:23:47 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:23:47 -0000 Subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/dannybaker/master_clipo ftheday_new.shtml Message-ID: In fact the whole interview is on there, with Dave mentioning he played an acoustic version of Urban Geurilla on the radio the other day!! Anyone got a recording of that, as long as Dave doesn't mind of course. -----Original Message----- From: Jobson, Eddie To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 12/12/02 14:12 Subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/dannybaker/master_clipoftheday_new.sht ml Mention of this mornings appearance from HW and a picture on the BBC London web site now. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 12 08:35:56 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:35:56 EDT Subject: HW: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Brian Halligan wrote: > > P.S. Has anyone seen a BOC plate? Or have one? Yep, there's been one parked here on campus a couple times, but I've never seen the driver... theo From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Dec 12 09:36:23 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:36:23 -0500 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: Welcome to the list, Dave. Looking forward to seeing the new site (and the email!) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:36:27 -0500, Dave Law wrote: >hello there > >i'm new to this discussion list stuff, but just to let all hawk fans out >there, that myself together with my "co - curator" mr s. lilly will be >launching our new web site at hawkwindmuseum.co.uk in the very near future, >hope to see you all visiting in the near future.will give further posting >on our "official launch" > >regards > >dave > >p.s - will e-mail starfarer aka sjyoules personally with more details, >cheers mate ! From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Dec 12 09:56:17 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:56:17 -0500 Subject: HW: BBC Interview Online Message-ID: ++ Star Warriors + + + The BBC Radio London interview from this morning is available via Mission Control (RealAudio Format) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm www.hawkwind.com ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 10:05:17 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:05:17 EST Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:24:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > In message , Bob Lennon > writes > >It's been happening for years because of the lack of quality audience > tapes. > > I have to admit I don't follow this argument at all. You're suggesting that > Dave Anderson wouldn't be releasing all those crap albums if the fans > were trading more live tapes? Isn't that a little fanciful? Not fanciful at all, I believe the part of my post snipped out said wouldn't it be nice to have a clean recording of that gig? If taping was allowed, the chances of that happening would be seriously increased. of course the down side, the band is still (we are told) not authorizing it. the bottom line in all this discussion, what quality tapes are there going to be? there will always be bootlegs, and there will always be audience tapes by fans. take your pick. bob From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Dec 12 10:55:52 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:55:52 -0500 Subject: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: IMAGINOS Not the misspelling below Mike ________________________________ The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. -- Paul Fix ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Mike Montfort ::->Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:25 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: Re: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ...where is it?) ::-> ::-> ::->There is a guy in the Albany area with ::-> ::->IMAGNIOS ::-> ::->Ive talked to him at a gas station.. he's a big fan.. but not online. ::-> ::->Mike ::-> ::->________________________________ ::->The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's ::->unfamiliar ::->territory. ::-> ::->-- Paul Fix ::-> ::-> ::-> ::-> ::-> ::->::->-----Original Message----- ::->::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->::->Behalf Of Brian Halligan ::->::->Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:17 AM ::->::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->::->Subject: HW: NY License Plates (was Re: Official post ::->...where is it?) ::->::-> ::->::-> ::->::->Mike Montfort wrote: ::->::-> ::->::->> If anyone cares I'm a lot less hot today than yesterday.. I ::->::->still love the ::->::->> music.. and I'm keeping my plates NY'ers.. so you can't have em! ::->::-> ::->::->I just got my new ones Tuesday. No special message, just the ::->::->usual. However, ::->::->I did see a NY plate a few months back that had me rolling. ::->I'm driving ::->::->along and as I get close to the car ahead I see this plate: ::->::-> ::->::->DICKSCAR ::->::-> ::->::->It took me a minute to realize it said Dick's Car and not the other ::->::->possibility. I couldn't stop laughing. Why would someone ::->would want to ::->::->broadcast a disfigurement like that.... ::->::-> ::->::->Thanks for bearing with my juvenile moment for the day, ::->::->Brian ::->::-> ::->::->P.S. Has anyone seen a BOC plate? Or have one? From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 11:32:16 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:32:16 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:05:17 EST, Bob Lennon wrote: >Not fanciful at all, I believe the part of my post snipped out said wouldn't >it be nice to have a clean recording of that gig? >If taping was allowed, the chances of that happening would be seriously >increased. How? That gig was in 1973! Whatever decision HW take now isn't going to affect it. Unless a better quality bootleg recording of the gig was to mysteriously surface after all these years, which has to be vanishing unlikely. Even if that did happen, diehard collectors and the naive would still be buying the Yuri albums, just as they are now, I would've thought. But, OK, if there was a similar situation with, say, one of the gigs on the current tour, where a bootlegger was releasing a poor-quality recording, then you might be right. But it seems that HW are trying to avert exactly that kind of situation. How successful such a policy can be is a different matter I guess. Maybe it *can* end up having the opposite effect... we'll see. I still hope that this is leading up to some sort of arrangement where the band themselves manage the distribution of these recordings. Nick Nick From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 11:49:06 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:49:06 EST Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Nick, Nick, yes, you made my point. That gig was in the 70's. If someone was allowed to tape properly we wouldn't have that. We would have a properly recorded show, possibly good enough to release officially like the 1999 Party or the 1976 show was recently. Would you have prefered that the only recordings of those two shows were on the same level as the Yuri tapes? exactly, everyone is shaking their heads in a NO gesture. and would I buy them if they were inferior quality...YES...of course. Once again the band has a right to promote any policies they want, will it stop the tapers....come on everyone - shake your heads....NO will the quality of these recordings be good.....don't know. what will surface as this year's bootleg, we'll see. The NEo Quark people (as with many tape trading group) has the right idea, get the good stuff into the hands of the fans, and they'll be less likely to buy inferior bootleg cd's. Works for me. remember, a tape of a show is not a bootleg, it is just a tape. what someone does with it after they leave is where we get into problems. Is the tape intended for commercial distribution or freely shared with other fans. whatever the case I hope these decisions help the band not hurt. even though it is the fans that pay artists salaries, the music still belongs to the artists. bob In a message dated 12/12/2002 11:32:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > > > >Not fanciful at all, I believe the part of my post snipped out said > wouldn't > >it be nice to have a clean recording of that gig? > >If taping was allowed, the chances of that happening would be seriously > >increased. > > How? That gig was in 1973! Whatever decision HW take now isn't going to > affect it. Unless a better quality bootleg recording of the gig was to > mysteriously surface after all these years, which has to be vanishing > unlikely. Even if that did happen, diehard collectors and the naive would > still be buying the Yuri albums, just as they are now, I would've thought. > > But, OK, if there was a similar situation with, say, one of the gigs on the > current tour, where a bootlegger was releasing a poor-quality recording, > then you might be right. But it seems that HW are trying to avert exactly > that kind of situation. How successful such a policy can be is a different > matter I guess. Maybe it *can* end up having the opposite effect... we'll > see. I still hope that this is leading up to some sort of arrangement where > the band themselves manage the distribution of these recordings. > > Nick > > Nick From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 12:26:02 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:26:02 +0000 Subject: Voiceprint Message-ID: Thanks Steve, for your very thorough reply. :-) I forgot about the "barking dog" issue with the Glastonbury CD. I think I'll definitely pass on that. I was thinking of getting the _Official Bootleg vol 2: Choose Your Masques_, but I think I'll pass on that too, since the sound quality is iffy. Looks like my next purchases will be the Nottingham and Canterbury CDs, and more of the Weird CDs (I have 1 and 2, which are fantastic). Thanks again, Guido > Hi Guido! > > Well, here's my totally biased personal opinion on the entire Voiceprint > ouevre. All IMHO remember: > > HAWKVP5CD AtomHenge > ------------------- > Not got this. Live 1976 album, heard some of the tracks, sound quality is > good to middling. If you want live versions of ASAM material, this is for > you. Almost identical to Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures, I believe. > > HAWKVP16CD Book/CD > ------------------ > Huh? This is listed on Voiceprint's site, no other details available. > Looks like something new. Adrian Parr's book???? > > HAWKVP22CD Canterbury Fayre 2001 > -------------------------------- > I've got the boot of this, which is very topical, and I will be buying the > album and destroying my copy of the boot. Excellent live HW, a lot of mid- > 70's and early 80's material. > > BP309CD Dawn of Hawkwind > ------------------------ > No. Not a must-have. > > HAWKVP13CD Family Tree > ---------------------- > Solo tracks by current & ex-members, and I nearly always find the solo > stuff v disappointing compared to HW. Not a must-have. > > HAWKVP17CD In Your Area > ----------------------- > Well this is a core album, but it's...lame... Thrashy stuff courtesy of Ron > Tree/Jerry Richards interspersed with ambient keyboard noodlings. Not a > must-have. > > HAWKVP1CD Live At Glastonbury 1990 > ---------------------------------- > The one with the dog barking. No. > > HAWKVP12CD Nottingham 90 > ------------------------ > If you like live albums, this is a good one. California Brainstorm or > Palace Springs are probably better, and from the same period, but this is > all right. Maybe give this a miss and get the Classic Rock DVD cuz the > better half of this set is the soundtrack to that DVD. > > HAWKVP4CD Official Bootleg vol 1: Complete 79 > --------------------------------------------- > Bootleg quality. If you've got Live 79 I wouldn't bother with this. > > HAWKVP3CD Official Bootleg vol 2: Choose Your Masques > ----------------------------------------------------- > Ditto, but substitute Choose Your Masques for Live 79. > > HAWKVP18CD Spacebrock > --------------------- > Well this is a strange one. None of it is new, but it hangs together very > nicely. Think of it as Church of Hawkwind Vol 2.... I'd get this. > > HAWKVP6CD The Weird Tapes 1 > --------------------------- > Oh you must, you must, you must :-) Sonic Assassins stuff!! > > HAWKVP7CD The Weird Tapes 2 > --------------------------- > Must have. > > HAWKVP8CD The Weird Tapes 3 > --------------------------- > ESSENTIAL! The best bits of Watchfield 75 and Stonehenge 77. The latter > especially was a blinding gig, which I missed seeing by one day as HW's > press office misinformed me as to when they were playing, grrrrrr! > > HAWKVP9CD The Weird Tapes 4 > --------------------------- > Awesome punky live performance from the Hawklords. A Must-have. > > HAWKVP10CD The Weird Tapes 5 > ---------------------------- > Live stuff from 76 and 77, sound quality a bit iffy, but I like this! Must > have. > > HAWKVP11CD The Weird Tapes 6 > ---------------------------- > Live stuff from the early 70's, yeah, you need this one. > > HAWKVP14CD The Weird Tapes 7 > ---------------------------- > Dave Brock demos, strangely compelling. Buy if funds allow. > > HAWKVP19CD Yule Ritual - London Astoria 29.12.2000 > -------------------------------------------------- > Stonking live album, a bit over-produced. I'd put this on a par with the > Do Not Panic album. Must-have. > > > The above listing from Voiceprint's new URL: > > http://www.voiceprint.org.uk/catalogue.php/Artist/H/#Hawkwind > > Hope that helps, happy hunting Guido > > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:27:01 -0700, Guido Vacano > wrote: > > >Hello-- > > > > Maybe this is a crappy time to ask (what with the furor over the > >"cease and desist" taping declaration), but I'm pretty much completely > >unfamiliar with the Voiceprint releases. Which ones are "must haves"? I > >can't afford all of 'em. :-( > > > >Thanks, Guido From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 14:09:07 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:09:07 +0000 Subject: HW: I have never been a blacklister Message-ID: dear all, no matter what anyone may have claimed on this list or elsewhere, I have never been a blacklister and remain a faithful Hawkwind fan to this day no matter what people who conspire against me may have to say about me. I would never even consider blacklisting another fan out of deadhead in Hawkwind or elsewhere. I just had to clear the air. thanks, Chr. NP: Yardbirds - The Complete Collection __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Dec 12 14:38:22 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:38:22 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete inability to (or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a counterfeiter/pirater, thus bracketing both in the same corner and being as anguished about the fans who buy all the official releases but use taping as a hobby as they are about the guy who runs off 30,000 dodgy Robbie Williams CD's - even a fool could tell them which one is doing the harm If any band is worried that they have a problem with it, they have the right to request it ceases,although most fans would probably not adhere to that, I guess, UNLESS, an outpouring of OFFICIAL releases of such material was on the cards. I can't think of an accurate example, but if a band released an archive recording on CD officially, say every two months, the whole bootlegging thing would lay to rest, the fans would be happy, the band would make money and all would be well - so how come no band seems to understand this. Hey ho - it's a funny old game. On a separate issue, it was rumoured that the "green light" for EMI to release all the unavailable back catalogue (since EMI has now completely sucked up Virgin/Charisma) would be when the two Hawkwind "leaders" resumed a professional relationship, so maybe this is now on the cards too. The fact that I've been doing Hawkwind, space-rock and related mail-order for 23 years next year - and that it still has life in it yet, is a testament to the resilience of the band and the strength of its music, the whole being equal to the sum of its parts - long may it continue. Andy G (CD Services, ex-Lotus Records/Mike Lloyd Music) 2003 could be very interesting. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > No big deal really. > We all know, and HW knows, that taping will go on as usual. This message > sounds as if there is some sort of directive from perhaps record-company > camps advising HW to make an official statement prohibiting such activity. > Is there a new label deal in the works or something? Taping definitely > doesn't hurt a band's sales or restrict its fanbase, and I've always been > puzzled by the record companies' inability to understand this. All the > official releases will still be bought by fans anyway... and hey, who even > knows about or cares about bootlegs? the general public certainly doesn't. > The only people worrying about live tapes are the really hardcore fans who > are outside of a mainstream audience as it is. > John Majka > jmajka2 at comcast.net From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 17:01:29 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:01:29 EST Subject: FREAK CENTRAL !!!! Message-ID: BIG WARNING !!!!!! The Somerset lads are coming over to London tommorow. We are gonna be looking for Freaks and a space ship . Lets get levitation... As some one once said. Lets get this Mutha of the ground and take a trip...... watch out for the treated Scrumpy its all knarly bark dogger with a cunning twist WHOOF Iain & iain From frankw at STC.CORP.MOT.COM Thu Dec 12 17:04:07 2002 From: frankw at STC.CORP.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:04:07 -0600 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: >From: Andrew Garibaldi >It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete inability to >(or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a >counterfeiter/pirater I agree with this, and I want to add something from a different perspective. DISCLAIMER: I have *no* inside information to the band's reasonings, so do not read too much into the rest of this message! It is often the case that business decisions are made from the perspective of what is required to have a legal footing in a sometimes-seemingly-unrelated matter. I am not very familiar with English law, but at least in America we have a legal system, not a justice system. (The legal system would like to have you believe that they are the same thing, but they are not.) The legal system says that certain conditions have to be met in order to pursue a legal action. For example, a railroad puts up crossing gates at sidewalks. They do not really stop someone from walking around/under them, and it costs them extra money for equipment, maintenance, etc. However, it allows them to have a chance if someone is stupid enough to walk in front of a moving train and get hit. The railroad can argue that they made a diligent effort to warn people and keep them off the tracks, and the person who got hit had to specifically circumvent those efforts. Another example would be a business having a guard at each entrance to check bags on entry for weapons. While no one expects the guards to strip-search everyone, and everyone knows that they could sneak a weapon in without a whole lot of trouble, the business is making some effort. If someone gets shot on the business property and gets sued by the victim for failing to protect him/her, then the business has a basis to claim that it has preventative measures in place, so the attacker had to knowingly and deliberately conceal the weapon. It is a lot harder to prove negligence on the part of the business in these cases. What does this have to do with Hawkwind (read the disclaimer at the top again)? I could easily see that if Hawkwind does not make this pronouncement, then it would be much more difficult to stop true bootlegging through legal channels and to collect restitution. Given that their music is their livelihood, I think it is in their best interest to protect it any way that they think is best. It's all too easy to sit on the sidelines and say what the band should or shouldn't do. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt due to their many years on the inside of the music business, the multitude of legal issues they have been through, and the amount of money they surely have lost due to illegitimate releases. Personally, I don't listen to Hawkwind because of their taping policy. I listen to them because I enjoy their music. This won't change that one bit. Frank -- As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls. -- Matt Cartmill ============================================================ Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Dec 12 17:12:21 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:12:21 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Next thing, noone will be allowed to do reefer at the gigs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Weil" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > >From: Andrew Garibaldi > > >It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete inability to > >(or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a > >counterfeiter/pirater > > I agree with this, and I want to add something from a different perspective. > > DISCLAIMER: I have *no* inside information to the band's reasonings, so do not read > too much into the rest of this message! > > It is often the case that business decisions are made from the perspective of what > is required to have a legal footing in a sometimes-seemingly-unrelated matter. I am > not very familiar with English law, but at least in America we have a legal system, > not a justice system. (The legal system would like to have you believe that they are > the same thing, but they are not.) The legal system says that certain conditions > have to be met in order to pursue a legal action. > > For example, a railroad puts up crossing gates at sidewalks. They do not really stop > someone from walking around/under them, and it costs them extra money for equipment, > maintenance, etc. However, it allows them to have a chance if someone is stupid > enough to walk in front of a moving train and get hit. The railroad can argue that > they made a diligent effort to warn people and keep them off the tracks, and the > person who got hit had to specifically circumvent those efforts. > > Another example would be a business having a guard at each entrance to check bags on > entry for weapons. While no one expects the guards to strip-search everyone, and > everyone knows that they could sneak a weapon in without a whole lot of trouble, the > business is making some effort. If someone gets shot on the business property and > gets sued by the victim for failing to protect him/her, then the business has a > basis to claim that it has preventative measures in place, so the attacker had to > knowingly and deliberately conceal the weapon. It is a lot harder to prove > negligence on the part of the business in these cases. > > What does this have to do with Hawkwind (read the disclaimer at the top again)? I > could easily see that if Hawkwind does not make this pronouncement, then it would be > much more difficult to stop true bootlegging through legal channels and to collect > restitution. Given that their music is their livelihood, I think it is in their best > interest to protect it any way that they think is best. It's all too easy to sit on > the sidelines and say what the band should or shouldn't do. Maybe we should give > them the benefit of the doubt due to their many years on the inside of the music > business, the multitude of legal issues they have been through, and the amount of > money they surely have lost due to illegitimate releases. > > Personally, I don't listen to Hawkwind because of their taping policy. I listen to > them because I enjoy their music. This won't change that one bit. > > Frank > > -- > As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual > certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human > life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an > archbishop so you can meet girls. -- Matt Cartmill > ============================================================ > Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com > phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280 From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 17:20:43 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:20:43 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Bob Calvert did that at his gigs in the ealy 80's Dave -----Original Message----- From: stephe lindas To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 December 2002 22:12 Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind >Next thing, noone will be allowed to do reefer at the gigs. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Weil" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:04 PM >Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > >> >From: Andrew Garibaldi >> >> >It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete inability >to >> >(or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a >> >counterfeiter/pirater >> >> I agree with this, and I want to add something from a different >perspective. >> >> DISCLAIMER: I have *no* inside information to the band's reasonings, so do >not read >> too much into the rest of this message! >> >> It is often the case that business decisions are made from the perspective >of what >> is required to have a legal footing in a sometimes-seemingly-unrelated >matter. I am >> not very familiar with English law, but at least in America we have a >legal system, >> not a justice system. (The legal system would like to have you believe >that they are >> the same thing, but they are not.) The legal system says that certain >conditions >> have to be met in order to pursue a legal action. >> >> For example, a railroad puts up crossing gates at sidewalks. They do not >really stop >> someone from walking around/under them, and it costs them extra money for >equipment, >> maintenance, etc. However, it allows them to have a chance if someone is >stupid >> enough to walk in front of a moving train and get hit. The railroad can >argue that >> they made a diligent effort to warn people and keep them off the tracks, >and the >> person who got hit had to specifically circumvent those efforts. >> >> Another example would be a business having a guard at each entrance to >check bags on >> entry for weapons. While no one expects the guards to strip-search >everyone, and >> everyone knows that they could sneak a weapon in without a whole lot of >trouble, the >> business is making some effort. If someone gets shot on the business >property and >> gets sued by the victim for failing to protect him/her, then the business >has a >> basis to claim that it has preventative measures in place, so the attacker >had to >> knowingly and deliberately conceal the weapon. It is a lot harder to prove >> negligence on the part of the business in these cases. >> >> What does this have to do with Hawkwind (read the disclaimer at the top >again)? I >> could easily see that if Hawkwind does not make this pronouncement, then >it would be >> much more difficult to stop true bootlegging through legal channels and to >collect >> restitution. Given that their music is their livelihood, I think it is in >their best >> interest to protect it any way that they think is best. It's all too easy >to sit on >> the sidelines and say what the band should or shouldn't do. Maybe we >should give >> them the benefit of the doubt due to their many years on the inside of the >music >> business, the multitude of legal issues they have been through, and the >amount of >> money they surely have lost due to illegitimate releases. >> >> Personally, I don't listen to Hawkwind because of their taping policy. I >listen to >> them because I enjoy their music. This won't change that one bit. >> >> Frank >> >> -- >> As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual >> certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human >> life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an >> archbishop so you can meet girls. -- Matt Cartmill >> ============================================================ >> Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com >> phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280 > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 17:29:01 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:29:01 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: i do hope that you are enjoying your dojo warrior copy. the decision to request that all live taping and trading be stopped is very sad but if that's how it must be then so be it. By the way Nik asked for all of the mp3 files to be taken off the ICU site last month. I believe they disappeared on 23rd November - wonder if there is any connection? The other thing that has happened recently was the number of posts about people making and wanting cdr copies of officially released albums. i'm sure that topic really impressed the band. this is the only kidding bit ---- what we need now is for all of the hawkwind tribute bands to work together and play replicants of every live show that hw ever played. somebody could tape them shows and then share them out via the neo-tribute group that will soon appear on yahoo. mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > You wouldn't happen to have a spare ASAM for sale then would you? :) > Or anyone?? hehe > I'm also sadly lacking a griffin Warrior cd - box or otherwise (but I was > lucky enough to get a dojo copy - cheers! you know who you are!) > The good news is that I have secured a QS&C cd!! Yahhhhoooo!! > > I fully understand and appreciate where you are coming from. I also have a > huge need or wanting to hear as many recordings as possible. Different > version of favourite songs and possibly occassionally some jams that I may > not have heard. > and I freely admit that I have a nice collection of shows from 1970 to 2001 > to listen to. Even the worst quality of the batch are a joy for me to hear. > But now that there has been word that the band would like concert recording > to cease and trading (whatever it is/was) to cease and that it will soon be > an official announcement I will personally choose to do that. > Theres no way in hell I'm gonna look down on anyone if they choose to > continue collecting and trading. > But I will say something if I think an unfair comment is made about > Hawkwind. > The only reason I haven't bought a Yuri cd yet is because the cd's I need to > complete my collection are mostly in the extremly hi price range and only > available seemingly via ebay apart from the new stuff that is becoming > available thru voice print lately. Its on the list but further down the > list :) > > Peace > Mb > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryan Young > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Majka > > > > Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of > Yuri > > > > Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording... > > > > ---snip--- > > > > The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other > > > > week with a new title and artwork. > > > > > > ----- The Reply Was ----- > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > Ahhhhh. Fair enough then. Perhaps one day I will fork out the money. > > But > > > I need a few others before I get that one. I would imagine that the > > quality > > > from release to re release is of the same quality so it wouldn't matter > > > which one I happened to buy? (be it the latest or the earliest release) > > > > > > Cheers > > > Mb > > > > Everybody should have one copy of Yuri Gargarin, but I'm not sure > everybody > > should pay for their copy. It's worth a listen, and it's got historical > > significance. I actually listened to one of my many copies last month > > (using headphones) and was able to enjoy it for the first time ever. I > > listened to it as if it were a bootleg, and not as an album, and gave it > the > > technical listen I would give any other illicit recording (trying to hear > > flaws, such as tiny clicks, etc that might be improved upon in other > > versions). But to pay for it is something else, as it won't benefit the > > band in any way. I've bought it enough that I cringe now when I catch > > myself getting yet another copy and forking over my cash. > > > > My point is actually this -- I've got about 5 of these Yuri Gagarin discs, > > even though I've never really enjoyed it. From time to time I've had some > > money in my pocket, and I needed to buy Hawkwind, and the latest Yuri > > Gagarin was all there was, so I've snapped them up. It doesn't stop > > there -- I've had every single Hawkwind title multiple times. I've often > > sold some of them for money, but I've always bought them back again later > > elsewhere. I've bought vinyl, cassettes, cds, videotapes, dvds, etc. And > > my collection is pretty insignificant compared to some of the guys out > > there. > > > > So, considering that I've got everything (most in multiple quantities), > and > > that I'm continuing to buy more (on a continual basis), and I STILL NEED > > MORE, does that make me a bit insatiable or something? I understand it's > > totally the band's decision if they support or discourage any fan like > > myself who might want to collect even more recordings. I can't fault them > > either way -- they've got the freedom of choice. > > > > But you've argued tonight that we should not get disappointed when the > band > > makes such a decision. You've written emails that say how the various > live > > albums should be good enough. "There's lots of official live albums from > > every era, so that should be good enough." But Michael, if your > collection > > doesn't even include Yuri Gagarin (and I've got many of them), then do you > > really understand where I'm coming from? Do you really think you can > > persuade me that I don't need any more live recordings? > > > > With some other bands that I collect (such as Blackmore's Rainbow), all > the > > songs basically sound the same, so one or two live recordings per tour is > > good enough. No big deal. But with Hawkwind, you might get a different > > sound on each night. There's a good chance of hearing something totally > > unique from one night to the next. This is part of the whole appeal of > > Hawkwind to me. Not only do I have a voracious appetite for listening to > > this band, I also have a compelling interest in building up some > historical > > archive of the various musical moments in the band. If that means seeking > > out ten or fifteen live recordings per tour, then it sounds good to me. > > > > So you see, I think we're coming from slightly different perspectives. You > > say that you'll buy Yuri eventually, but that you've got a few others you > > need first. I've got all the Yuri's that I can fit on my shelf (and I'll > > buy more if I find any other variations and if I have the cash on hand > that > > day), and I'm building up a stock of extra copies of the other more > > essential albums, too. And I'm not even what I'd consider a Kompletist. > > (I've only been collecting for about 16-18 years, so I'm a raw rookie > > compared to some people here.) > > > > So please, don't try to persuade me that a lack of taping for future gigs > > will not be disappointing for me. I live so far from any city that even > if > > Hawkwind came to Canada I'd be too far away to see them play. Any limit > to > > trading is going to be quite personally difficult to deal with. Should > you > > feel sorry for me? No. Should the band change their policy to appease > me? > > No. But should you try to persuade me that this was a good decision and > > that there'll be plenty of official album releases to console me? No, > > that's impossible. They'd have to come out with a new recording at least > > once a month to keep me busy and happy. And that's not going to happen, > > unless they begin releasing boots online. (And not for download, as I'm > on > > a slow modem and won't be able to access anything that way....) > > > > Given the choice, I'd always take an official album over an audience > > recording. But there's only so much that you can buy, and then you've got > > it all, and then the audience recording starts to seem pretty important, > > too.... > > > > Sorry if this sounds personal, as I'm not angry at you in any way. You're > a > > great guy, and I appreciate that you're sticking up for the band despite > > some negative comments. But I do hope to give you some added insight and > > perspective. And I hope that I've not offended anybody here. > > > > That's all I've got on this thread (on this mailing list). Peace to all > the > > Hawkpersons. > > > > Bryan > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 18:43:20 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:43:20 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Michael, No offense buddy, but isn't this a pretty narrow-minded statement? Acting like babies?? Reminds me of that saying about the pot calling the kettle black(man ") In reference to some of your posts to this list anyway... As you say - tehehe ") Yep, I have been waiting a while to say this....... Peace my Aussie brother, D PS LMK when you get your Hawkdiscs.... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blackman [mailto:michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded live album that is good quality than an audience recording - If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record live shows then they are not fans at all. Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change their mind about this new policy. From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 18:46:42 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:46:42 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Yet another cryptic message from Mr. Allen. The irony thickens! -----Original Message----- From: Colin J Allen [mailto:colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind Mike, This decision was made for reasons which are outside the points that you discuss. There are sound reasons for it. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Really Dumb move on the band's part. > Lessee.. now .. > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems with > immigration. > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour in the UK. > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band. > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop. > 5) recordings will sound worse. > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy their sporadic > releases. > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam. > > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for his bright > business choices. Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other > Ones, > SCI etc etc etc. These bands had relatively NO studio sales. > Taped shows brought in new fans. New fans bought the few albums > available and went to shows. These bands became.. should I say it.. > comfortably off from their music! > so clueless > Mike From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Dec 12 18:51:55 2002 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:51:55 -0600 Subject: BOC: [Fwd: Greetings from Faith And Fire] Message-ID: Got this in the email today ... Greetings_ Please accept our special Holiday invitation to visit About the band: Formed by Mike Flyntz and Tony Moore, current and former members of metal legend 'Riot', Faith And Fire also includes Danny Miranda from Blue Oyster Cult on bass and John Miceli from Meat Loaf's band on drums. Tony, Mike and Danny are co-writers on all the tunes. The boys have just completed writing, song demos and track selection for a 13-song CD slated for Spring/Summer 2003 release. Our site has been completely redesigned with updated MP3/news/response/photo sections as we prepare to record through the Winter. We welcome your comments; feel free to reply to this Email or to info at faith-and-fire.com Best wishes for a loud and raucous Holiday Season! Faith and Fire Reply to this or any FNF mail with 'EAT ME' in the subject line to be removed from our list forever. I mean "EAT ME' means Eat Me, does it not? Please report broken links or malfunctions to From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 18:53:21 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:53:21 EST Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2002 5:13:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > Next thing, noone will be allowed to do reefer at the gigs. > Could be the zeitgeist, at some recent John Cale gigs, who is also a notorious anti-taper, you aren't allowed to smoke (even cigarettes) or drink (and this was in a pub)! bob From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 19:03:57 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:03:57 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: My Webster's Dictionary defines viable: - able to take root and grow hasn't this happened in the past 30+ years? the second definition: - workable and likely to survive or to have a real meaning That word irony keeps coming to mind..... Take me back to the war I survived..... D -----Original Message----- From: Colin J Allen [mailto:colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind This decision has nothing to do with protecting (or increasing) sales of legitimate releases. It is a decsion that has been reached for sound reasons which involve the future viability of the band. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 19:27:10 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:27:10 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:13:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time, neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM writes: > If it helps, there were a lot of 2002 singles in the chart, which shows > that the readership may be skewed to younger audience, who would view BOC > as 'old farts music'. > Sad, but true. > The Young People are leading us to ruin!! Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 19:26:13 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:26:13 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang! Singles chart Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2002 10:44:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM writes: > find that hard to believe, but it may have to do with > the fact(IMO) that the song is way overplayed on the radio,and people get > sick of hearing it over&over&over.......then block it from their > consciousness so when vote time comes.it doesn't come to mind...(??) > tim 8>)... (that's my story & i'm sticking to it) > Personally, I think it's because they're all FREAKING IDIOTS!! Joe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 12 19:33:33 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:33:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: intolerance and boots (was Re: Official Post...) Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:53:21 EST, Bob Lennon wrote: >In a message dated 12/12/2002 5:13:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, >lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > >> Next thing, noone will be allowed to do reefer at the gigs. > >Could be the zeitgeist, at some recent John Cale gigs, who is also a >notorious anti-taper, you aren't allowed to smoke (even cigarettes) or >drink (and this was in a pub)! >bob Well, John Cale (much as I love his music of the 60s and 70s) is one of those hypocritical f!kkers who used to do every drug under the sun, and then, when he cleaned up his act, became an intolerant @sshole with regards to anyone else's consumption. I've heard stories of incredibly rude behavior to fans (who obviously didn't know better), such as the Japanese girl who presented him with a very expensive bottle of Sake ... oops! And, ironically, in the case of John Cale, there are audience recordings that, as I understand, put his official live releases ('Sabotage' - a complete set of otherwise-unreleased songs from the late 70s, and 'Fragments of a Rainy Season') to shame. But hey, at least he gave Jeff Hunt permission to put out the Dream Syndicate stuff (which Lamonte Young still claims is a bootleg, proving that whether something is a boot or not is *entirely* in the eye of the beholder), so I shouldn't complain about him too much. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 20:00:44 2002 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:00:44 EST Subject: OFF: intolerance and boots (was Re: Official Post...) Message-ID: Well Doug, Can't lasso me into an argument on that one as I agree about 98% with you. John has a particularly distorted view on taping shows and doesn't realize that copyright laws protect the owner of the tape of the show, not the music, but would be liable for lawsuit if he were to use the material. The taper of course being the sound engineer and producer of sorts. (of course that's a little silly notion also) As in the case of one band having to pay up for the unauthorized stage photo being used by the band. This will blow over in time, as us spoiled fans get unused to doing whatever we please. Remember: You can't do this, and you can't do that....and most importantly you shouldn't do that! I know there's bands out there that release material without some performers on the release ever seeing a penny of the take, is this so much different from fans passing around tapes of shows? Talk about performers making a living. bob In a message dated 12/12/2002 7:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Well, John Cale (much as I love his music of the 60s and 70s) is one of > those hypocritical f!kkers who used to do every drug under the sun, and > then, when he cleaned up his act, became an intolerant @sshole with regards > to anyone else's consumption. I've heard stories of incredibly rude > behavior to fans (who obviously didn't know better), such as the Japanese > girl who presented him with a very expensive bottle of Sake ... oops! > > And, ironically, in the case of John Cale, there are audience recordings > that, as I understand, put his official live releases ('Sabotage' - a > complete set of otherwise-unreleased songs from the late 70s, > and 'Fragments of a Rainy Season') to shame. > > But hey, at least he gave Jeff Hunt permission to put out the Dream > Syndicate stuff (which Lamonte Young still claims is a bootleg, proving > that whether something is a boot or not is *entirely* in the eye of the > beholder), so I shouldn't complain about him too much. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Thu Dec 12 19:56:39 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:56:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Dave & Kris and everyone, This topic is one that is VERY important to MANY of us Hawkfans. I have taken a great deal of my time to draft this. It will take much less time to read it........ Theo and Paul make very valid points, as usual. We have another list member who might be able to shed some light on record labels etc... In the mid-1970's, Peter Frampton's solo career just was not taking off. Even though his first 2 solo records were pretty good. Then he put out a live album called 'Frampton Comes Alive'. Our own Bob Mayo plays on this record. If I remember correctly, at the time this album was the best selling record of all time. If that's not quite true, I DO know that it sold like hotcakes. This event changed the entire record industry. From that point on, greed became more and more of the main motive driving record label's definitions. It was ridiculous to think that Frampton could follow-up 'Frampton Comes Alive' w/ a record that sold as much. But the label did. Unfortunately, it seems as though Frampton listened to someone a little too much and actually posed for the photo that would become the cover of his next record. He lost alot of his hard rockin fans w/ this Leif Garret like photo and the soft sounds of 'I'm In You'. Sales were way down for that release and it was not long and his label dropped him. Unfortunately, his career never rebounded. In a way, the massive sales for 'Frampton Comes Alive' ruined his career. It was just too tough to live up to the record label's newfound and unrealistically high financial expectations. All the record labels could see was $$$. They never knew that someone could sell so many records and make so much money off of one album. So all of a sudden there were corporations that were jumping in the picture. These corporate big wigs did not know anything about music or making records. All they knew was that they wanted to make money. Lots of money!! There are all kinds of bands w/ major record label deals that allow open taping at their shows. Dave Matthews Band is a prime example. They just keep getting bigger and bigger. They went from playing small venues to selling out Giants Stadium in record time. They allow tapers w/ mic stands to tape openly right from their seat. This band has had many successful singles and videos. They are making money from record sales and from concerts. They also have put out a number of live releases. These are shows that audience taping was allowed w/ no problem. They have also made long playing concert videos of live performances that w/ also captured by quality audience recordings. People snapped up all these live OFFICIAL releases put out by the record label. Sales are still brisk for all of DMB's OFFICIAL live releases. Their fans bought them even though they may have already had a really nice audience recording of the very same show. You don't have to like Peter Frampton or Dave Matthews Band to understand what I am saying. Some folks on the list have bashed a band I love called moe. Funny thing is though..... moe. invited BOC to the Jammy's at NYC's Roseland Ballroom earlier this year to jam a few of their classics on stage to a very eclectic crowd. This gave BOC alot of exposure to many new fans. A big Thanx should be given to moe. No one else has said it. So I am! But I digress - too much fun reading Lemmy's book, I guess..... You don't have to like moe. to understand my next point either. They had been playing for a few years before they got signed by Electra Records. Yeah, the same label as Phish and those "artists" Metallica (groan). The guys in moe. were ecstatic to make it to the major label, as most up and coming bands are...... There was only one problem that became apparent after some time. Electra Records did absolutely nothing to promote it's new band. Nothing! The band carried on touring relentlessly, as they did before they were signed. When it became obvious that Electra Records just wanted to make money off of moe. and capitalize on the so-called "jamband" scene, moe. said screw Electra Records, we'll do it on our own. And that's just what they did. They continued to put all their revenue back into the band. They bought their own SBD and their own PA. They started making their own records again and releasing them on their own label. Some time back, they started releasing their live performances OFFICIALLY on their own label. They call the series, "Warts & All". The latest show they released is from Atlanta back in February. I was there and I taped it too! They sent out a post asking us fans to vote for our favorite show of the tour and we all voted for that show. Most of the people that were voting already had an audience recording of the show. That's how they knew how good it was. When it was OFFICIALLY released, I bought it! I no longer copy my audience recording for anyone. If they want it, they can buy it straight from the band. Support the band - that's the motto! I could be on the guest list for any moe. show that I wanna see. But I still buy my tix like everyone else. The bands that are having the most success these days are the bands that are allowing taping at their shows and doing everything in a grassroots style based on concepts gleaned from the Grateful Dead. No - Britney Spears (and the like) does not EVEN factor into this scenario!! There's not such thing as "live" recording of Britney Spears. LOL!! > I guess they are doing this because they are going to get a major contract > for the new album. If this is the thinking that is driving Dave & Kris's decision, they need to get out of the house a little more!!! > Let's support them. Support them??? Hello! The fans that are taping Hawkwind shows and the fans that are trading Hawkwind shows are the most loyal fans of the band itself!! Give me a break! You saw my post of "How, When & How Many" - right? Did you see any of the others? Most Hawkfans that are trading live shows, own multiple copies of every release and they scour the record stores all over to find more. Most of us are obsessive and compulsive when it comes to buying Hawkwind releases. I have Zones on black vinyl, on picture disc, the Flicknife CD and the Griffin CD. How much money did I spend on just this one release?? And it's not even one of my favorites. I traded a fellow Hawkfan for an audience recording of the show that ended up being released as Yule Ritual, long before it was released officially. When us fellow Hawkfans found out that the show was going to be released officially, we all agreed that we would no longer trade the audience recording of this show and that we would ALL buy the official release to support the band. One by one, the emails came in - "Just bought Yule Ritual -love it!" It took me a while to get a copy of Yule Ritual. Mainly, because I just could not find it anywhere. I am one of these old geezers that still likes the thrill of finding a release in the store. I was in Denver over Labor Day to see the TAPING FRIENDLY Phil & Friends and Government Mule (Aspen). Yep, I live in Florida and I flew to Colorado, just to see these bands. On my day off, I called around to all the record stores looking for Hawkwind, as I do whenever I am traveling. A store had a copy of Yule Ritual and they just got it in that day. What luck!! This was the same store that had a copy of Space Bandits on vinyl the year before. Yes, I have Space Bandits on CD already, but I love the artwork on the cover and it's on display in my home. I guarded it w/ my life on the plane ride back. Dave & Kris - are you getting the picture yet?? I am not the only Hawkfan that goes to these lengths to collect Hawkwind releases. I have been a fan for 22 years! YOUR Hawkfans that are trading live audience recordings are honorable people. We are the ones that have Hawkwind license plates on our car. We are the ones that turn new people on to your music all the time. We spread the word. Believe it or not, after 30 years, there are still ALOT of people that have NEVER heard of Hawkwind! People see my email address and ask me, "what is Hawkwind?" and if that person has any sense at all - you gain a new fan. The term "bootleg" is a bad word. We treat that word as if it were the word fuck or cunt. Two words I personally hate. Sorry to use them, but I am trying to make a point. We treat the concept of bootlegging the same way. People that record concerts and sell them are the scum of the earth!! This is the belief of ALL Hawkfans that trade live recordings. Our trading is based on an unwritten code of ethics and honor. We do not trade official releases of ANY kind! No money EVER changes hands!! We trade CD-R's on a disc for disc basis. If someone is sending me 2 discs, I send them 2 discs in return. The postage cancels itself out. >From time to time in the past we have exposed people selling bootlegs on eBay to help put a stop to this disgusting activity. Some folks have even done what we call "liberate" bootlegs. By that, we mean that this person makes copies of a known bootleg and trades another person for another disc. No money changes hands. This has proven an to be an effective way of beating the bootleggers at their own game. A person is not going to buy a bootleg, if they can trade a blank CD-R for it. This sends the bootlegger the message that trying to sell live recordings of Hawkwind is not a profitable business and they go away. If you take this uptight approach to telling us that no taping and trading of live recordings is permitted, the bootleggers will come back. And people will start paying money for bad recordings. In the end this just makes Hawkwind look bad, because there is this bad recording - similar in sound quality or worse than Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin (technically an official release, no less) that they play once and never again. This in effect can sour a potential new Hawkfan right off the bat and that person goes on through life having the wrong opinion about Hawkwind and Hawkwind's music. Doesn't make more sense to go after Dave Anderson than us? Sure, if you are going to start Officially releasing live recordings from the past, present and future similar to the Grateful Dead's Dick's Picks releases - we would all understand your rationale alot more. Is this the case?? If so, will I be able to find these releases? Where?? Or will it be some elitist - "For Passport Holders Only" type of thing?? There are some releases that I have been looking for most of my life and still have never found. And finding your releases - old and new in ANY store is getting more and more difficult. It was not until Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques were released on CD by Griffin that I was able to get them. Yeah, there was a record store in Cleveland, Ohio that had a copy of Choose Your Masques on vinyl one time. But the guy wanted $50 for it and it was not in good shape. There are many new and old fans that don't have Warrior On The Edge Of Time on CD. They would snap that up so fast that your head would spin!! Wouldn't seem to be better to focus your energies on these topics, then to single out your own loyal fans?? People that trade live recordings of your performances are the ones paying for the tix, they are the ones buying your merchandise. They are your supporters!! These people are trading live recordings that can NOT compare in quality to what you can release OFFICIALLY. The recordings that are being traded come from cassettes that have changed hands over the years. Your fans take the time to find the best sounding and most complete cassette and may even piece together several sources to come up w/ the complete performance. Then they convert it to disc. The more recent recordings are made w/ tiny microphones tucked away under clothing and patched into a minidisc recorder. They are documents of your performance, but they could never be considered HIGH FIDELITY. This activity takes alot of loyalty and alot of dedication! Have you come to this decision because you are going to start playing new material in concert and you don't want that material to be circulated until the next album is released?? I can understand that to some extent. But if this is the case and the songs are good it will be all the talk amongst fans: "Hawkwind played 2 new songs tonight. They were great! Dave said that they will be on the new record...." Say a live audience recording was made of that particular show. Everyone that was not there will want to get a copy of the show, so they can hear the new songs. Especially, if it was the first time they were played. That has major historical significance to a fan. People that weren't at the show and get a copy will be saying, "Man, I love both the new songs!! I can not wait to buy the new record when it comes out!!" A fellow Hawkfan that will be attending your show this Friday was kind enough to offer to pick me up a T-shirt as a token from this tour. He will be shelling out his hard earned cash for a shirt for himself and for me. He will be taking the time to wrap it up and mail it across the Atlantic to me. It's going to cost me even more than he paid and he will have to convert my American currency when it arrives. This is how close we Hawkfans have become. We help each other out. We are a network that extends across this entire planet. Many of us have never met each other in person because of this fact. Do you really want to fly in the face of your most loyal supporters?? Remember The Future, D-Rider From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 20:08:52 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:38:52 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: No it isn't. Not at all. Saying saying your mother is ugly looking is **exactly** the same as your mother is ugly and or voce versa. Making a stupid comment does not make someone stupid as I am sure you are quite intelligent even though you made that stupid comment. Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > On 12 Dec 2002 at 10:54, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > Excuse me sir, but I did not say that you were stupid - I said it was > > a stupid comment. Big difference. Be nice now. > > > That's a bit like saying 'I didn't say your mother is ugly, I said she is ugly-looking!' > > theo From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 20:11:14 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:41:14 +1030 Subject: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: Have a great time. (As if you need to be told) Thats the same album that got me hooked in 88 - almost 15 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: Re: H\W - MY NEW WEBSITE > i'm celebrating my 20th anniversary as a "hawk fan", album that got > me "hooked" - levitation. off to W'stow tomorrow, first time in 10 yrs that > i've seen the band!!! > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 20:15:41 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:45:41 +1030 Subject: HW: BBC Interview Online Message-ID: Cheers Rik!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: BBC Interview Online > ++ Star Warriors + + + > > The BBC Radio London interview from this morning is > available via Mission Control (RealAudio Format) > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > > www.hawkwind.com > > ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 20:39:36 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:09:36 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: None taken D :) But in my eyes a die hard fan who would publicly drop a band and go looking for another band to be fantical about over a bands request not to record their shows is acting like a baby because thats what immature little children do when they think they are not going to get their way. Please note that I am not pointing my finger at anyone personally in any of my messages. Anyway - it all seems to be a big hypothetical excercise. At least my message was a hypothetical repsonse to a hypothetical email that I read. As long as it is read in its context. Now..... As a totally seperate note which is NOT directed to Drider. Its the "whinge section" read at your own displeasure. teeehee :-)))))))) ----- Original Message ----- From: DRider To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Michael, > > No offense buddy, but isn't this a pretty narrow-minded statement? > > Acting like babies?? > > Reminds me of that saying about the pot calling the kettle black(man ") > > In reference to some of your posts to this list anyway... > > As you say - tehehe ") > > Yep, I have been waiting a while to say this....... > > Peace my Aussie brother, > > D > > PS LMK when you get your Hawkdiscs.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Blackman [mailto:michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > > Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can > be obtained for free. and I would rather have a record company funded live > album that is good quality than an audience recording - > If that is the potential case then it will be worth it. > > If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over > their (HW's) perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record live > shows then they are not fans at all. > Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way. > Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change their > mind about this new policy. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 16:03:41 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:03:41 -0000 Subject: HW: BBC Interview Online (HELP!!) Message-ID: I'm having difficulty getting access to this. Keep on getting a "check filepath" (or similar) message. Any advice? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Rik Rx To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 December 2002 14:56 Subject: Re: HW: BBC Interview Online >++ Star Warriors + + + > >The BBC Radio London interview from this morning is >available via Mission Control (RealAudio Format) > >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > >www.hawkwind.com > >++ + MESSAGE ENDS + > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 12 21:53:17 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:23:17 +1030 Subject: RADIO INTERVIEW Message-ID: What a cool interview!! Thanks Mission control. Hang gliding with Hawkwind sounds like fun lol From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 22:30:44 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Krishne) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: Excellent gig tonight. First and only time I'll be able to catch them this tour. I was a little apprehensive, some of the on-list comments re. previous dates were lukewarm, and the setlist had a rather familiar look about it, but this gig definitely exceeded expectations. Concorde 2 must be the smallest place I've seen the band play I think, certainly the smallest stage- it looked a bit cramped up there, but the lightshow and projections worked a treat in such a confined space. Very up-for-it crowd too. Line-up was DB/Alan/Rich/Tim, plus Arthur Brown. No Huw, no Simon- dunno what the story is. Anyway they didn't *sound* short- staffed and Tim did a great job, playing synth as more of a lead instrument than usual. I still don't like his solo stuff but he's playing well in HW. Arthur Brown is a born entertainer, excellent singer, and even seems to have learnt the words now. The 2 Arthur Brown numbers were OK, but didn't really sound at home in the set IMHO. But interesting to see HW try something completely different, although it does seem an odd move. Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it. When you see the same old songs appearing on the setlists, you tend to forget how much these old faves can mutate from tour to tour. It took a while for them to completely hit their stride, but things seem to take off with Lighthouse (not normally one of my favourites but hypnotic and cool tonight), then a blinding rendition of The Watcher, which really slinks along evilly these days. The absolute highlight: You Shouldn't Do That, with the Seeing It As You Really Are coda and a snatch of what might just be a (gasp) new song to round it off. You Shouldn't Do That is one of the ultimate HW songs, but the only time I've heard it live before now was at the Brixton Hawkestra. It was just brutal tonight, astonishing, and mixed with the barrage of strobes to truly mind-altering effect. So- overall a very good gig, perhaps not one of the very greatest but certainly there were some serious highlights in there. Enjoy Walthamstow, those who are going. -- Nick Medford From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 00:06:44 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:06:44 +0000 Subject: HW: the two wise men of the Apocalypse: Ron Tree and Capt. Rizz Message-ID: I was just thinking about these guys and how much they contributed to the Hawkwind sound in the latter half of the 90's. Ron Tree (Bastard) always seemed like the new Nik Turner to me, bringing a punk edge to the band again unheard since the 80's with stuff like "Reptoid Vision" and "Phetamine Street" and the giant stage prop robot. When I saw them in NYC in '95 he just blew me away in full flight goggles and a fluorescent paint spattered lab coat doing "Master Of The Universe" and "Urban Guerilla", it was hardcore at its best with the subtle reggae bits in Urban Guerilla really making the grade too. I also liked his version of "Lord Of Light" on the "Love In Space" EP and some of stuff off "Alien 4" as well like "Beam Me Up" and stuff. Anyway, as for Captain Rizz, I thought him such a wise Rastafarian philosopher of The Apocalypse (as Ron Tree also seemed such a philospher on the Apocalypse too with "I am The Reptoid") that he just made the grade as full time member in my opinion. His whole thing on "Wheels" about oil and the rap that goes "Hawkwind's in your area, Hawkwind's on your land" was just great. In spite of what people have said about him, I just thought he added to the spirit and anarchy of the Hawkwind spirit that made Hawkwind so great in the early and mid 80's with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Danny Thompson and Huw Lloyd-Langton and the rest of the guys in the band. It's great to know Huw and Alan (Ali) are back in the band but shouldn't there be a fully fledged new studio album in the works from this rejuvinated classic 80's lineup? Anyway, I just had to ease my mind about Ron and Rizz because it's been on my mind for awhile. Does anyone share my opinions on them? Aren't they the two wise men of the Apocalypse?? Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Fri Dec 13 00:17:03 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:17:03 -0600 Subject: Brighton Message-ID: Sounds amazing! Thanks for the review! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krishne" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: HW: Brighton > Excellent gig tonight. First and only time I'll be able to catch them this > tour. I was a little apprehensive, some of the on-list comments re. > previous dates were lukewarm, and the setlist had a rather familiar look > about it, but this gig definitely exceeded expectations. Concorde 2 must > be the smallest place I've seen the band play I think, certainly the > smallest stage- it looked a bit cramped up there, but the lightshow and > projections worked a treat in such a confined space. Very up-for-it > crowd too. > > Line-up was DB/Alan/Rich/Tim, plus Arthur Brown. No Huw, no > Simon- dunno what the story is. Anyway they didn't *sound* short- > staffed and Tim did a great job, playing synth as more of a lead > instrument than usual. I still don't like his solo stuff but he's playing well > in HW. Arthur Brown is a born entertainer, excellent singer, and even > seems to have learnt the words now. The 2 Arthur Brown numbers were > OK, but didn't really sound at home in the set IMHO. But interesting to > see HW try something completely different, although it does seem an odd > move. Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I > Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into > trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it. When > you see the same old songs appearing on the setlists, you tend to forget > how much these old faves can mutate from tour to tour. > > It took a while for them to completely hit their stride, but things seem to > take off with Lighthouse (not normally one of my favourites but hypnotic > and cool tonight), then a blinding rendition of The Watcher, which really > slinks along evilly these days. The absolute highlight: You Shouldn't Do > That, with the Seeing It As You Really Are coda and a snatch of what > might just be a (gasp) new song to round it off. You Shouldn't Do That is > one of the ultimate HW songs, but the only time I've heard it live before > now was at the Brixton Hawkestra. It was just brutal tonight, astonishing, > and mixed with the barrage of strobes to truly mind-altering effect. > > So- overall a very good gig, perhaps not one of the very greatest but > certainly there were some serious highlights in there. Enjoy > Walthamstow, those who are going. > -- > Nick Medford From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 13 00:14:47 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:44:47 +1030 Subject: HW: the two wise men of the Apocalypse: Ron Tree and Capt. Rizz Message-ID: Damn fine additions to the starship Hawkwind. I would have loved to have seen the Love in Space tour. Wonderful stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: HW: the two wise men of the Apocalypse: Ron Tree and Capt. Rizz > I was just thinking about these guys and how much they > contributed to the Hawkwind sound in the latter half > of the 90's. Ron Tree (Bastard) always seemed like the > new Nik Turner to me, bringing a punk edge to the band > again unheard since the 80's with stuff like "Reptoid > Vision" and "Phetamine Street" and the giant stage > prop robot. When I saw them in NYC in '95 he just blew > me away in full flight goggles and a fluorescent paint > spattered lab coat doing "Master Of The Universe" and > "Urban Guerilla", it was hardcore at its best with the > subtle reggae bits in Urban Guerilla really making the > grade too. I also liked his version of "Lord Of Light" > on the "Love In Space" EP and some of stuff off "Alien > 4" as well like "Beam Me Up" and stuff. Anyway, as for > Captain Rizz, I thought him such a wise Rastafarian > philosopher of The Apocalypse (as Ron Tree also seemed > such a philospher on the Apocalypse too with "I am The > Reptoid") that he just made the grade as full time > member in my opinion. His whole thing on "Wheels" > about oil and the rap that goes "Hawkwind's in your > area, Hawkwind's on your land" was just great. In > spite of what people have said about him, I just > thought he added to the spirit and anarchy of the > Hawkwind spirit that made Hawkwind so great in the > early and mid 80's with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Danny > Thompson and Huw Lloyd-Langton and the rest of the > guys in the band. It's great to know Huw and Alan > (Ali) are back in the band but shouldn't there be a > fully fledged new studio album in the works from this > rejuvinated classic 80's lineup? > > Anyway, I just had to ease my mind about Ron and Rizz > because it's been on my mind for awhile. Does anyone > share my opinions on them? Aren't they the two wise > men of the Apocalypse?? > > Chr. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Fri Dec 13 00:24:07 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:24:07 -0600 Subject: the two wise men of the Apocalypse: Ron Tree and Capt. Rizz Message-ID: I always like Ron Tree's stuff with Hawkwind, and I wish he would somehow find his way back home to the Hawkwind camp. I'm a bit undecided about Rizz. I have grown to appreciate the stuff he did, and I even listen to his solo album (first one is all I've found thus far) and I'm learning to like that stuff, too. So, if we were talking about a very limited role, I can agree that Rizz would be cool to show up from time to time. Say if we're talking about a 5 minute appearance once every 3 or 4 gigs, and then just be sure not to rap all over the song so that it appears "trampled". Speaking of Rizz, I'm still seeking his 2nd album, "I Can See Clearly Now, the Brain is Gone". Anybody got one of those up for sale? Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: HW: the two wise men of the Apocalypse: Ron Tree and Capt. Rizz > I was just thinking about these guys and how much they > contributed to the Hawkwind sound in the latter half > of the 90's. Ron Tree (Bastard) always seemed like the > new Nik Turner to me, bringing a punk edge to the band > again unheard since the 80's with stuff like "Reptoid > Vision" and "Phetamine Street" and the giant stage > prop robot. When I saw them in NYC in '95 he just blew > me away in full flight goggles and a fluorescent paint > spattered lab coat doing "Master Of The Universe" and > "Urban Guerilla", it was hardcore at its best with the > subtle reggae bits in Urban Guerilla really making the > grade too. I also liked his version of "Lord Of Light" > on the "Love In Space" EP and some of stuff off "Alien > 4" as well like "Beam Me Up" and stuff. Anyway, as for > Captain Rizz, I thought him such a wise Rastafarian > philosopher of The Apocalypse (as Ron Tree also seemed > such a philospher on the Apocalypse too with "I am The > Reptoid") that he just made the grade as full time > member in my opinion. His whole thing on "Wheels" > about oil and the rap that goes "Hawkwind's in your > area, Hawkwind's on your land" was just great. In > spite of what people have said about him, I just > thought he added to the spirit and anarchy of the > Hawkwind spirit that made Hawkwind so great in the > early and mid 80's with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Danny > Thompson and Huw Lloyd-Langton and the rest of the > guys in the band. It's great to know Huw and Alan > (Ali) are back in the band but shouldn't there be a > fully fledged new studio album in the works from this > rejuvinated classic 80's lineup? > > Anyway, I just had to ease my mind about Ron and Rizz > because it's been on my mind for awhile. Does anyone > share my opinions on them? Aren't they the two wise > men of the Apocalypse?? > > Chr. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From rockypaths at MSN.COM Fri Dec 13 02:34:52 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Hi I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have is very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my sub-woofer hates it. Has anyone else had this problem? Jon _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 13 02:39:28 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:09:28 +1030 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: My copy sounds well balanced. No problems. Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Norman To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Yule Ritual > Hi > > I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have is > very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my > sub-woofer hates it. > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > Jon > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 04:19:03 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:19:03 -0500 Subject: walthstow and canterbury cd Message-ID: Hi all Looking forward to seeing hawkwind tonight in walthamstow, should be a good gig as they really rocked out there last time i saw them. Hey does anyone know what the line up will be for tonight? Is huw still on board and will simon house and captain black turn up? Also whats the t-shirts like at the merch stall? Also is the new canterbury cd on sale at the gigs? see you all down there colm From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 05:17:20 2002 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:17:20 -0000 Subject: HW:Northampton + Leeds Message-ID: After Nick's review I thought I'd put in a little about Northampton. The roadmender is quite a small venue, so everyone gets a good view. The set list was similar to what everyone else has seen. I am impressed by Arthur, someone in HW who is a 'proper' vocalist, belting out vocals, andd getting most of the words back. Still, Silver machine was never as good as with Ron on vocals doing a punky version. I liked Arthurs front man act, with dancing, costumes and liveliness. I have never seen so many smiling faces on stage at one time at a HW gig. As for Huw... Is he the new Nik, noodles away without any reference to what the rest of the band are doing. He turned up half way through the second song, and never did more than gently noodle away with brief burst of notes - the kind of stuff that doesn't irritate by being so obtrusive that it ruins a song, but adds nothing to it. I guess his non appearance at Brighton is the natural way of things. Here is a review from a mate who went to leeds. ----> Well HW in Leeds were very good. You know me, I do like to be picky but this was fab fun. The Irish Centre is a weird place with a small *dance area* and lots of seating - it's basically the showroom of a working men's club. There's little shop near the entrance which sells Madonnas, Celtic scarves and replicas of Christ's foreskin. Typical medieaval relics really. Cheap beer at the bars and every hairy freak in West Yorkshire seated at tables wainting for the turn to come on. It was packed by the end, not a sell-out but can't have been far off. Lots and lots of people paying on the door. Blake was OK as support - no computer problems. My issue with him is that his sequenced stuff is a bit dull and he just noodles over it. Frankly sounds like me on my guitar. However he has inspired Julie to learn how to use the sequencer functions on our keyboard. HW were very powerful - more metal and less trippy than for a while. Having the Captain on guitar most of the time makes a hell of a difference to their sound. Blake made all of the right noises, Alan and Richard were awesome as ever. Is there a better rhythm section in British rock. Arthur Brown fitted in very well - doing the sort of nutty stuff that Nik used to do but still able to control himself. Got lost at times after jammy-bits but Alan and Dave helped him out. I've never seen so many smiles on a HW stage. Huw was mixed a bit loud at times - especially during Lighthouse - and had to keep sitting down. Is he ill or is it drugs and drink again? I've been a fan for 23 years now and first saw them on the Levitation tour in 1980. Well this was the first time I've ever bought a tour shirt. I'm wearing it as I type. Overall, then, 9/10. BTW Alan was standing by us for part of Blake's set. Julie later remarked that on stage he looks quite scarey, but off stage he looks rather sweet. Rock 'n' roll, eh? <---------------- Someone at the mixing desk was videoing the gig, on a small camera. Tim had computer problems during his support, but it didn't stop him. I didn't note down a set list, but as it was 1h25m I guess it was similar to the ones either side. I didn't record it either. Cheers Big Mike -----Original Message----- From: Krishne [mailto:nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 13 December 2002 03:31 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Brighton Excellent gig tonight. First and only time I'll be able to catch them this tour. I was a little apprehensive, some of the on-list comments re. previous dates were lukewarm, and the setlist had a rather familiar look about it, but this gig definitely exceeded expectations. Concorde 2 must be the smallest place I've seen the band play I think, certainly the smallest stage- it looked a bit cramped up there, but the lightshow and projections worked a treat in such a confined space. Very up-for-it crowd too. Line-up was DB/Alan/Rich/Tim, plus Arthur Brown. No Huw, no Simon- dunno what the story is. Anyway they didn't *sound* short- staffed and Tim did a great job, playing synth as more of a lead instrument than usual. I still don't like his solo stuff but he's playing well in HW. Arthur Brown is a born entertainer, excellent singer, and even seems to have learnt the words now. The 2 Arthur Brown numbers were OK, but didn't really sound at home in the set IMHO. But interesting to see HW try something completely different, although it does seem an odd move. Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it. When you see the same old songs appearing on the setlists, you tend to forget how much these old faves can mutate from tour to tour. It took a while for them to completely hit their stride, but things seem to take off with Lighthouse (not normally one of my favourites but hypnotic and cool tonight), then a blinding rendition of The Watcher, which really slinks along evilly these days. The absolute highlight: You Shouldn't Do That, with the Seeing It As You Really Are coda and a snatch of what might just be a (gasp) new song to round it off. You Shouldn't Do That is one of the ultimate HW songs, but the only time I've heard it live before now was at the Brixton Hawkestra. It was just brutal tonight, astonishing, and mixed with the barrage of strobes to truly mind-altering effect. So- overall a very good gig, perhaps not one of the very greatest but certainly there were some serious highlights in there. Enjoy Walthamstow, those who are going. -- Nick Medford Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 13 07:06:56 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:06:56 EDT Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <07bd01c2a242$7fd80540$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2002 at 19:56, DRider wrote: > Some folks on the list have bashed a band I love called moe. Not so much bashing moe. as not appreciating Al's presence on stage for half of B?C's set, which naturally forced them to play fewer songs, I think? Funny > thing is though..... moe. invited BOC to the Jammy's at NYC's Roseland > Ballroom earlier this year to jam a few of their classics on stage to > a very eclectic crowd. This gave BOC alot of exposure to many new > fans. A big Thanx should be given to moe. No one else has said it. So > I am! > I think B?C showed that appreciation by letting Al sit in with them for several tunes at the Utica gig. I was happy as hell to see Al get up there, because he is clearly a big-time B?C fan--he knew their songs inside out. His approach was almost reverential. It was great to see a rising young star hang with B?C, even though he was playing through an unfamiliar amp, and wound up getting shredded by BD--who wouldn't? And let me now join you in thanking moe. for inviting them to the Jammys. Anyone who doesn't think of B?C as a jamming band, listen to LDoM on the new DVD... > But I digress - too much fun reading Lemmy's book, I guess..... > > You don't have to like moe. to understand my next point either. > > They had been playing for a few years before they got signed by > Electra Records. Yeah, the same label as Phish Another hugely successful group whose CDs don't sell all that briskly, yet hold concerts for audiences over 100k on occasion... > Some time back, they started releasing their live performances > OFFICIALLY on their own label. They call the series, "Warts & All". > The latest show they released is from Atlanta back in February. I was > there and I taped it too! They sent out a post asking us fans to vote > for our favorite show of the tour and we all voted for that show. Most > of the people that were voting already had an audience recording of > the show. That's how they knew how good it was. When it was OFFICIALLY > released, I bought it! > > I no longer copy my audience recording for anyone. If they want it, > they can buy it straight from the band. Support the band - that's the > motto! > That's all anoyone wants in the first place! B?C don't have a taping policy, but I would buy every concert they recorded under such a plan. I think you just turned me into a moe. fan. I would prefer to get a live disc from the band themselves than trade for it, and I'd be happy to see the band get a few bucks for it... > No - Britney Spears (and the like) does not EVEN factor into this > scenario!! > > There's not such thing as "live" recording of Britney Spears. LOL!! > Sure there is. the backing tracks had to be recorded by someone sometime, didn't they? Unless it's ALL sequenced! > Have you come to this decision because you are going to start playing > new material in concert and you don't want that material to be > circulated until the next album is released?? > > I can understand that to some extent. But if this is the case and the > songs are good it will be all the talk amongst fans: > Yep, taper-friendly bands routinely preview stuff they're working on for new albums at their live gigs. Doesn't stop the fans from buying the CD the day it's released! > "Hawkwind played 2 new songs tonight. They were great! > Dave said that they will be on the new record...." > > Say a live audience recording was made of that particular show. > Everyone that was not there will want to get a copy of the show, so > they can hear the new songs. Especially, if it was the first time they > were played. That has major historical significance to a fan. People > that weren't at the show and get a copy will be saying, "Man, I love > both the new songs!! I can not wait to buy the new record when it > comes out!!" > I used to be on the GM list, and this is exactly the kind of exchange that happens all the time among fans. Fans who will move heaven and earth to get the new CD with the same tune on it... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 13 07:10:59 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:10:59 EDT Subject: BOC: [Fwd: Greetings from Faith And Fire] In-Reply-To: <3DF9211B.D814B061@execpc.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2002 at 17:51, Karen Kusic wrote: > Got this in the email today ... > > Greetings_ > Please accept our special Holiday invitation to visit > > > About the band: > Formed by Mike Flyntz and Tony Moore, current and former members of > metal legend 'Riot', Faith And Fire also includes Danny Miranda from > Blue Oyster Cult on bass and John Miceli from Meat Loaf's band on > drums. Tony, Mike and Danny are co-writers on all the tunes. > Thanks for this post, Karen! Can't wait to hear this stuff. John Micelli played several gigs with B?C about 5 years ago, and he's a slammin' drummer. Danny needs no introduction! theo From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 09:45:29 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:45:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: Sounds very much like my thoughts on the Manchester gig. Obviously Huw was not missed, as predicted! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 13 14:17:11 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:17:11 -0500 Subject: Farflung Myth of solid ground Message-ID: Does anyone have the tracklist for this cd? Cheers Stephe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 13 17:10:42 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:10:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000, Jonathan Norman wrote: >Hi > >I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have is >very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my >sub-woofer hates it. > >Has anyone else had this problem? Yes, it's a typical newbie mastering engineer mistake to overuse a favorite (or newly-obtained) piece of equipment or (if computer-mastered) plug-in, in this case, something along the lines of an Aphex Aural Exciter/Bass Enhancer (a web search on the name of the mastering engineer turns up a guy who seems to be very experienced at binaural recording, but has no mastering credits mentioned ... no idea whether or not it's actually the same person, as those two audio engineering tasks are not at all related). So you get a bass sound that sounds "awesome" on cheap equipment (like a boom box or car stereo, and maybe even crap monitors that are all treble no bass like NS-10's), but utterly nothing like a real bass guitar when played on a system capable of accurately reproducing the sound of a recording. I have a bad enough time listening to 'Yule Ritual' through my speakers (Vandersteens - http://www.vandersteen.com/ ), which have much more of a flat, uncolored, studio-monitor-like response than most home audio speakers, so I can only imagine that the sound must be utterly abyssmal through a system with a subwoofer. Which is all too bad, as I like the album quite a bit (although there's major room for improvement in other areas, but I've bitched about it enough for one day). Great contributions by Ron, Simon, Harvey & Keith Kniveton, especially (and presumably Jerry, but like I just said ... ). There was a web broadcast of part of the show which had a proper sounding bass guitar, so a decent recording obviously exists somewhere ... (And on the "other" subject, this underscores the importance of audience taping, since that's the only way to get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' Astoria set that *doesn't* have this mastering screwup. Sorry to dwell on this, since I've mentioned it before, but words cannot describe how appalled I was when I first heard it.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 13 20:39:52 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:09:52 +1030 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: Blasphemer! ----- Original Message ----- From: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L dr_technical To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brighton > Sounds very much like my thoughts on the Manchester gig. Obviously Huw was > not missed, as predicted! > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 21:01:26 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:01:26 -0000 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: Well, despite living less than ten miles away, I didn't go to Walthamstow tonight. Mainly because the ATM said "Richard, don't go anywhere, because I'm not going to give you any money to even buy the ticket". Bugger. I had to watch friends leaving my local pub in Stratford (E15) to go to Wathamstow (E17).... :-( I currently have thirty pence in my pocket. Ah well, I'm sure Wez'll tell me what a good gig it was. (So long as he doesn't show me his Prince Albert again...) Still, I got a call from the estate agent today - the house we're buying, we still may have a chance of getting. Plan is to exchange contracts next Thursday, and complete on this house... http://www.homesonview.co.uk/hov/MARTWELL/MWP00250.htm ... in the first week of January. You are all coming to the housewarming, aren't you? You're all invited! :-) Cheers, Rich. (Trying to get over not being able to go tonight... sob...) :-( From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Dec 13 21:30:17 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:00:17 +1030 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: Sorry to hear about you missing the gig. But I'll be at your house warming party in spirit. Have fun :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating > Well, despite living less than ten miles away, I didn't go to Walthamstow > tonight. Mainly because the ATM said "Richard, don't go anywhere, because > I'm not going to give you any money to even buy the ticket". Bugger. > > I had to watch friends leaving my local pub in Stratford (E15) to go to > Wathamstow (E17).... :-( > > I currently have thirty pence in my pocket. > > Ah well, I'm sure Wez'll tell me what a good gig it was. (So long as he > doesn't show me his Prince Albert again...) > > Still, I got a call from the estate agent today - the house we're buying, we > still may have a chance of getting. Plan is to exchange contracts next > Thursday, and complete on this house... > > http://www.homesonview.co.uk/hov/MARTWELL/MWP00250.htm > > ... in the first week of January. > > You are all coming to the housewarming, aren't you? You're all invited! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (Trying to get over not being able to go tonight... sob...) :-( > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 21:33:52 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:33:52 -0000 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: Send me a picture and we'll put it on the wall. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Re: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating > Sorry to hear about you missing the gig. But I'll be at your house warming > party in spirit. Have fun :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Lockwood > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:31 PM > Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating > > > > Well, despite living less than ten miles away, I didn't go to Walthamstow > > tonight. Mainly because the ATM said "Richard, don't go anywhere, because > > I'm not going to give you any money to even buy the ticket". Bugger. > > > > I had to watch friends leaving my local pub in Stratford (E15) to go to > > Wathamstow (E17).... :-( > > > > I currently have thirty pence in my pocket. > > > > Ah well, I'm sure Wez'll tell me what a good gig it was. (So long as he > > doesn't show me his Prince Albert again...) > > > > Still, I got a call from the estate agent today - the house we're buying, > we > > still may have a chance of getting. Plan is to exchange contracts next > > Thursday, and complete on this house... > > > > http://www.homesonview.co.uk/hov/MARTWELL/MWP00250.htm > > > > ... in the first week of January. > > > > You are all coming to the housewarming, aren't you? You're all invited! > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > (Trying to get over not being able to go tonight... sob...) :-( > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 21:35:44 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:35:44 -0000 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: Mind you, I'm listening to "A Question Of Temperature" at the moment, which I wouldn't have got at the assembly rooms, and it's one of Larry's favourite songs, IIRC. Please get better Larry. Cheers, Rich. > Sorry to hear about you missing the gig. But I'll be at your house warming > party in spirit. Have fun :) > > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Dec 14 03:53:44 2002 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:53:44 -0700 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: I'll have to accept your invitation in sprit as well.Nice house :) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Just wanted to brag again! Happy Birthday to me!!!! The cool thing I got myself this year is the Rush Chronicles DVD. Nice. Had the vhs, gave it to a friend for his birthday!! May all of you holidays be good this year. Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Soz! From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Dec 14 05:35:43 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:05:43 +1030 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu 'appy Birthday rockin cabbie 'appy b'day to youuuuuuuuuuuuu Peace ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Hi! > Just wanted to brag again! Happy Birthday to me!!!! > The cool thing I got myself this year is the Rush Chronicles DVD. Nice. > Had the vhs, gave it to a friend for his birthday!! > May all of you holidays be good this year. > Pam > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 14 08:14:25 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:14:25 -0500 Subject: Farflung Myth of solid ground Message-ID: >Does anyone have the tracklist for this cd? Cheers Stephe 1) When I Woke To Sleep No More 2) Breach Of I 3) Prototype Of A Traveler 4) Those Clouds Are Solid 5) Something In The Water 6) I Have Seen The Saucers 7) The Larval Stage Tracks 2, 3, 4 & 7 appear on Farflung's 9 Pin Body CD that was released on Brainticket this year. Jerry From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 08:42:53 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:42:53 +0000 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating In-Reply-To: <05e401c2a314$b60aa6e0$dfae27d9@bernard> Message-ID: Martin HAWKSby? 7 ROCK Street? What's the post code: PXR 5 or 289 48? AL --- Richard Lockwood wrote: > Well, despite living less than ten miles away, I > didn't go to Walthamstow > tonight. Mainly because the ATM said "Richard, > don't go anywhere, because > I'm not going to give you any money to even buy the > ticket". Bugger. > > I had to watch friends leaving my local pub in > Stratford (E15) to go to > Wathamstow (E17).... :-( > > I currently have thirty pence in my pocket. > > Ah well, I'm sure Wez'll tell me what a good gig it > was. (So long as he > doesn't show me his Prince Albert again...) > > Still, I got a call from the estate agent today - > the house we're buying, we > still may have a chance of getting. Plan is to > exchange contracts next > Thursday, and complete on this house... > > http://www.homesonview.co.uk/hov/MARTWELL/MWP00250.htm > > ... in the first week of January. > > You are all coming to the housewarming, aren't you? > You're all invited! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (Trying to get over not being able to go tonight... > sob...) :-( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 14 08:48:40 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:48:40 -0800 Subject: HW: Calling Eric S. In-Reply-To: <20021208181938.WGAM1718.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Message-ID: Right. Just to let you know that the reason I didn't get back to you is that now is the first time since we talked that I've had a chance to check my mail. Trains and hotels and gigs and cabbing and walking from one to the other and back ... any time left over was devoted to sleep, not the Net. I hope you made it, and made it in! Sorry about that... - Eric --- Mick Crook wrote: > Eric, > > If you're checking the list and pick this up, please email > me regarding the Leeds ticket we discussed at Manchester. > If I don't hear from you before Mid-day on Monday, I'll have > to make other arrangements. > > Cheers. > > Mick > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > http://www.talk21.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From fdberfel at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 14 08:59:27 2002 From: fdberfel at YAHOO.COM (Eric) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:59:27 -0800 Subject: HW: Calling Eric S. In-Reply-To: <20021214134840.70795.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- Eric wrote: > Right. Just to let you know [...] That was meant to be private. Sorry. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Dec 14 09:15:41 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:15:41 -0500 Subject: Farflung Myth of solid ground Message-ID: Thank you, Jerry, Cheers stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kranitz" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Farflung Myth of solid ground > >Does anyone have the tracklist for this cd? Cheers Stephe > > 1) When I Woke To Sleep No More > 2) Breach Of I > 3) Prototype Of A Traveler > 4) Those Clouds Are Solid > 5) Something In The Water > 6) I Have Seen The Saucers > 7) The Larval Stage > > Tracks 2, 3, 4 & 7 appear on Farflung's 9 Pin Body CD that was released on > Brainticket this year. > > Jerry From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 09:21:12 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:21:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow folks Message-ID: Hi all Just a big thanks to all the Hawkfans I met last night for making this such a sociable occasion, inc. Jill, Mike Holmes, Alan Taylor, Keith Henderson, Ian Abrahams, Iain Ferguson, Bernhard, Rainer and anyone else I missed. Glad I went to The Bell eventually, having tried Rob's recommendation - The College Arms - which was a bit quiet (the Old Speckled Hen was nice though). I felt the band were on good but not o/s form. The trio were tight as ever, Arthur was great, but Tim's keydbds virtually inaudible except Lighthouse, and IMHO they would be just right with a functioning Huw or a well Simon. How did the party go? Cheers AL PS - ***SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR HAWKMARTY*** THEY DID SPIRIT OF THE AGE!!!! *** SPECIAL MESSAGE ENDS*** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 11:32:40 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:32:40 -0000 Subject: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: Good Afternoon I received Canterbury 2001 yesterday I must say it is v.good Simon House shines out he definitely was a miss at Newcastle. The Highlights are without a doubt Levitation and Void of the Golden Light. Assassins of Allah is there yet again I wonder has Alan got written in a contract somewhere that it is compulsory it must be due retirement soon. I notice on the inside of the cover it lists the musicians and Huw is not mentioned but the excellent Solitary Mind Games confirms his attendance. Is this the full show? Brian From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Dec 14 12:33:11 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:33:11 -0000 Subject: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: Hi Brian, Yes, its the full show, minus a few gaps between the numbers. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Canterbury 2001 > Good Afternoon > I received Canterbury 2001 yesterday I must say it is > v.good Simon House shines out he definitely was a miss at Newcastle. The > Highlights are without a doubt Levitation and Void of the Golden Light. > Assassins of Allah is there yet again I wonder has Alan got written in a > contract somewhere that it is compulsory it must be due retirement soon. > I notice on the inside of the cover it lists the musicians and Huw is > not mentioned but the excellent Solitary Mind Games confirms his > attendance. Is this the full show? > Brian From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 13:24:46 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:24:46 -0000 Subject: HW: RE: Huwey bought a ticket and staggered off Message-ID: Well the way the place (I mean street signs, blind spots etc) is organised I fully sympathise with Huw. I had exactly the same problem at the Northampton gig. I've never met a nicer musician, not one to get on the wrong side of though! But still one of England's Finest Guitarists both in spirit and technicality. Get well soon Huwey and Merry Christmas From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 14 13:54:51 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:54:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:33:11 -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >Yes, its the full show, minus a few gaps between the numbers. I believe that this is the first-ever Hawkwind live album that is! (Barring the EMI 'Space Ritual' remaster and Voiceprint's 'Complete 79', but those both came out 20 years after the fact.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Dec 14 15:41:24 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:41:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Canterbury 2001 Message-ID: Aren't Space Ritual and Complete 79 actually from 2 different gigs? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: HW: Canterbury 2001 > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:33:11 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > wrote: > >Yes, its the full show, minus a few gaps between the numbers. > > I believe that this is the first-ever Hawkwind live album that is! > > (Barring the EMI 'Space Ritual' remaster and Voiceprint's 'Complete 79', > but those both came out 20 years after the fact.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Dec 14 17:05:42 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:05:42 EST Subject: OFF: Farflung Myth of solid ground Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/02 5:14:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM writes: > >Does anyone have the tracklist for this cd? Cheers Stephe > > 1) When I Woke To Sleep No More > 2) Breach Of I > 3) Prototype Of A Traveler > 4) Those Clouds Are Solid > 5) Something In The Water > 6) I Have Seen The Saucers > 7) The Larval Stage > > Tracks 2, 3, 4 & 7 appear on Farflung's 9 Pin Body CD that was released on > Brainticket this year. > > Jerry And, "Something in the Water" was also released on "When Science Fails" this year on Falcata-Galia. So if you get all the official releases, you're only missing WIWtSNM (absolutely essential version) and "Saucers", but it sounds like you already have the Myth recording, so, you're set. Science is good, but almost seems like it could have been releaded under a name other than FF...) only because all their previous releases have been so consistent in style--their aren't any guitar riffs on WSF, if memory serves... Chuck From novadrive at COX.NET Sat Dec 14 18:04:25 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:04:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Canterbury 2001 In-Reply-To: <200212141854.NAA18670@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: And even the 'Space Ritual' remaster had the chopped Brainstorm and Time We Left, which was a shame. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:55 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Canterbury 2001 > > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:33:11 -0000, Captain Bl at ck > wrote: > >Yes, its the full show, minus a few gaps between the numbers. > > I believe that this is the first-ever Hawkwind live album that is! > > (Barring the EMI 'Space Ritual' remaster and Voiceprint's 'Complete 79', > but those both came out 20 years after the fact.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 14 20:14:57 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:14:57 EST Subject: Hi! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2002 5:34:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu > > 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu > > 'appy Birthday rockin cabbie > > 'appy b'day to youuuuuuuuuuuuu > > Peace > I'll do it in my horrible Scottish accent: "Hoppy bir-r-r-r-rthday tew yew!" Joe (many apologies to Scotts everywhere, anyone who's ever been to/is from/knows someone from Scotland, and anyone who's ever had any scotch) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Dec 14 21:19:51 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:49:51 +1030 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: The Scottish accent has always fascinated me. I am also seriously hypnotised by the Northern English accent - Especially the 'Geordie.' Well - a bit exaggerated (to say hypnotised) but those accents have always fascinated me in a good way. I would have to say there is nothing sexier in this world than a female with a 'Geordie' or Scottish accent. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Hi! > In a message dated 12/14/2002 5:34:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > > 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu > > > > 'appy Birthday to youuuuuuuuu > > > > 'appy Birthday rockin cabbie > > > > 'appy b'day to youuuuuuuuuuuuu > > > > Peace > > > > I'll do it in my horrible Scottish accent: > > "Hoppy bir-r-r-r-rthday tew yew!" > > Joe > (many apologies to Scotts everywhere, anyone who's ever been to/is from/knows > someone from Scotland, and anyone who's ever had any scotch) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 21:30:59 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:30:59 -0000 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: Yup. :-) Hop on your Silver Machine, slide sideways through time, and look for the house with the cat called Zarozinia. ;-) Cheers, Rich. > Martin HAWKSby? > > 7 ROCK Street? > > What's the post code: PXR 5 or 289 48? > > AL From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 21:37:56 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:37:56 -0000 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: > The Scottish accent has always fascinated me. I am also seriously > hypnotised by the Northern English accent - Especially the 'Geordie.' Haddaway an' shite... In that case, get hold of some records by "Geordie", Brian Johnson's band before he joined AC/DC... Top stuff. Then go down the Bigg Market in the toon on the pull. Then tell me there's nowt sexier than Geordie birds... > Well - a bit exaggerated (to say hypnotised) but those accents have always > fascinated me in a good way. I would have to say there is nothing sexier in > this world than a female with a 'Geordie' or Scottish accent. How about Kate Bush in a jacuzzi full of black cherry yoghurt and Maltesers?? ;-) Cheers, Rich. (Huddersfield Born, Huddersfield Bred, Strong in t'arm and thick in t'head.) From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Dec 14 21:48:37 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:18:37 +1030 Subject: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating Message-ID: I bet your cat Zarozinia would just love to meet my rat also named Zarozinia .... ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: Re: I couldn't do Walthamstow, but I'm kind of celebrating > Yup. :-) > > Hop on your Silver Machine, slide sideways through time, and look for the > house with the cat called Zarozinia. > > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Martin HAWKSby? > > > > 7 ROCK Street? > > > > What's the post code: PXR 5 or 289 48? > > > > AL From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Dec 14 21:51:15 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:21:15 +1030 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: I was well impressed by those scantilly cladd lasses - not only by their scantilly cladness but the fact that they can make a night of it so scantilly clad even tho it was so cold!!! Respek!!!!!! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Hi! > > The Scottish accent has always fascinated me. I am also seriously > > hypnotised by the Northern English accent - Especially the 'Geordie.' > > Haddaway an' shite... > > In that case, get hold of some records by "Geordie", Brian Johnson's band > before he joined AC/DC... Top stuff. Then go down the Bigg Market in the > toon on the pull. Then tell me there's nowt sexier than Geordie birds... > > > Well - a bit exaggerated (to say hypnotised) but those accents have > always > > fascinated me in a good way. I would have to say there is nothing sexier > in > > this world than a female with a 'Geordie' or Scottish accent. > > How about Kate Bush in a jacuzzi full of black cherry yoghurt and > Maltesers?? > > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (Huddersfield Born, Huddersfield Bred, Strong in t'arm and thick in t'head.) > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Dec 14 23:12:46 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:42:46 +1030 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: >>How about Kate Bush in a jacuzzi full of black cherry yoghurt and >>Maltesers?? ;-) and a straw? hehe From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 15 03:41:59 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:41:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review Message-ID: The usual five hour train journey from Cornwall to London and Stuart & myself make it into town on Friday afternoon for a quick whiz around the usual shops: Forbidden Planet, HMV, Borders and then its down to Walthamstow to find the hotel before the four o'clock deadline when its going to be cancelled...gosh, its a longer walk than it looks on the map (and going in the opposite direction for ten minutes to start with doesn't help!)...3.55pm and we are on the roundabout just before the hotel...but which way to go?????? We make it with about three minutes to spare and say "Hi" to Arin in reception and get ourselves booked in...theres a *great* bunch of people hanging around and we get our introductions: Rich, Merrick & Julie French, Alan Taylor, Keith Henderson, Denis Regenbrecht....Brock arrives with a cherry "hello everybody" and a complaint that it took three and a half hours to drive up from Brighton (the vintage car rally does it quicker than that surely??). We get ourselves settled in our room and time for a rest before heading down to The Bell pub...next time we need to pick an establishment where they do food...where we meet Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge (no, Jill, despite what you advised when we nearly met at St Austell in 1999...you don't look like my Gran!!!), Bernhard Pospiech (a great pleasure to meet the guy who got me onto the discussion lists in the first place - a highlight of the weekend really) and others...spend some time chatting "children-talk" with Julie: hope I don't embrass myself or the Frenchs by saying here what a smashing lady, we came away feeling like we'd known her all our lives..and then off to the gig in the company of our German friends. Catch up at the gig with Alan Taylor and then meet Alan Linsley for the first time and have a great chat. Litmus rather wash over us, but they generally went down very well. No Tim Blake solo performance which was a little disappointing (though from comments on earlier shows, not too disappointing). Great Hawkwind performance - a pity that Simon didn't show and very sad that Huw's membership seems to be slipping away again (it shouldn't end like this, but the impression is that he was "tired and emotional" once too often). Arthur Brown was a real revelation - a whirlling dynamo of energy - lets hope that he sticks around as he's certainly freshened up the format. Set List a bit uninspired compared to last year. Great to hear Out of the Shadows (how did the horse of the same name do in the 12.10 at Haydock yesterday..we liked the co-incidence bet), Aerospaceage *very* good, Assassins of Allah very tired but at least not quite as uncomfortable to listen to as last year. In keeping with what we read about the rest of the tour, Tim Blake very hard to pick out for most of the set, but he made the most of an extended intro for Lighthouse... Very sinister Sonic Attack..the first time I've enjoyed this one...marvellous Spirit of the Age. Very much a tight performance from the power trio but I enjoyed the fuller range of sound on last years tour that bit more. Lets hope Simon surfaces again for next year. We have a great time after the show in the party that Arin so kindly pulled together, catch up with Ben Fagin (yeah - we saw the steam train at Paddington station, Ben!) and finally head off to the hotel at 1.30am! Very leisurely breakfast the following morning, chatting again with Alan T, Bernhard, Rich & Arin and we meet Nick Lee as well. Finally, we head back to our room to gather our stuff and encounter Dave Brock coming the opposite way. Dave gives us a very cherpy "Morning!" Twenty years I've been going to his gigs and at last have said hello...I *knew* if I held out long enough he'd have to speak first :-))) A thrill! A great event, made Very special by meeting so many wonderful people from the discussion lists. Big thank you to Arin for her sterling work in organising the hotel (thanks also due to Rik I believe) and the after the gig party..and yes, Arin, I did buy "Chimes of Midnight" in Forbidden Planet yesterday! Ian From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Dec 15 05:07:20 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:07:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review In-Reply-To: <012a01c2a415$f3136c00$fb60893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello Ian Many thanks for this wonderful review. Maybe I can add some comments Indeed it was an event I will never forget. Met lot of great folks like You (Ian Abrahams), Colin Allen, Jill Strobridge, Mike Holmes, Keith Henderson, Eric Siegerman, Nick Lee, Julie and Merrick French, Ian Fergusson, Denis Regenbrecht and his sister, Alan Taylor, Arin Comins (you are great!!), Rich Warren, Ben Fagin, Rob Ailing (from Voiceprint), Rik Richardson, Anna and Gary Corderoy (great to meet you again), Alfred Koessl, Hugo Rignoir and all the great friends I have forgotten to mention here. Rainer Wangler and Andreas Stuewe made with me the long journey from Germany Most of these folks (like the band members) stayed in the same hotel. Great feeling to stay in the same hotel like the captain and his crew and have together breakfast. The gig was not their best but OK. I liked it. SPIRIT OF THE AGE and WATCHER were the highlights. Crystal clear sound!! Congratulations to the folks behind the mixing desk!! Well done! Here is the track list (100 minutes) intro / earth calling / aerospaceage Inferno / angels of death / out of the shadows / time captives / master of the universe / gremlin / time confusion / hurry on sundown / lighthouse / watcher / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / you shouldn't do that / earth calling / sonic attack /spacebrock / paranoia / silver machine / spirit of the age No Huw, no Simon. Both ill. The band played very good. Lot of guitar working by Dave. Richard played great this evening. Hawkwinds best ever drummer! Alan did a great job during WATCHER and Tim during LIGHTHOUSE. Arthur has a great voice. Very interesting to see him performing with the band Now to the party: Most of the folks who stayed with us in the hotel were invited. What a great oppurtunity to meet the band and the whole crew. Had the chance to speak to the Captain and exchange lot of interesting informations with all the folks around us. Made lot of pics with my digi-cam We all had a great time Bought Canterbury 2001 double CD which was offered by Rob from Voicepring. This CD is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!! A fantastic HAwkwind gig with a very interesing track list. Great sound. Hawkwind at their best It is my Top-10 Hawkwind live gig Hope to see you all again very very soon !!! Bernhard From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 15 05:28:58 2002 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:28:58 EST Subject: Hawkwind tour dates... Message-ID: Is there a site somewehere out on the ether that lists past HW tour dates? Thanks, Steve. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sun Dec 15 08:39:25 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:39:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Brighton/Walthamstow Message-ID: Hi Everyone... Well...what a strange 48 hours it's been. Seemed like such a good plan. A mere 160 Swiss Franks for airfare, and only had to spend a measly 18 quid on a room in a B&B just a short walk from the gig (thanks to Arin and Eric for sending along housing suggestions, based on their 2001 experience) in Brighton. Flying home at 6 AM from Gatwick after the London/Walt. gig seemed like a good idea at the *time*. But then I met this devious Belgian chick named Stella Artois in Brighton who proceeded to follow me all the way to Walthamstow and made my final journey home a total hell. :) To use the local slang, I was just a bit knackered at 5-something AM when I was riding the Gatwick Express from Victoria, afraid I would nod off again and wake up back in Brighton once more (to the sound of bloody seagulls)! Luckily, I got on the right plane and ended up back in the Zurich Flughafen and more familiar territory. The last few hours of this trip still seem like a distant dream. So, hey to everyone I met up with at the shows - I was very impressed with the after-show party for those of us lucky list-folk and other 'insiders.' Thanks to Arin and Co. for arranging this event. And yes, I guess only us lucky folk were able to buy the Canterbury discs there (not on sale at the gig itself)...I'm listening to it now as I type. Quite good so far, and it's surprising to now see how much different the set list was just a year ago. My thoughts are that Brighton was the better of the two gigs, but that might just be because it was the first of the two. And I thought Walthamstow would have both Simon House and Huw perhaps back on lead guitar, and so I was a bit disappointed that it was virtually the same. For instance, Spiral Galaxy was on the Walth. set-list, but was skipped since Si didn't show. But then I got to see Litmus play (who were really good I thought...rather Quimby-like...and they had three guys on keyboards/electronics) and then the extra-special surprise was the addition of Spirit of the Age as 2nd encore. Brighton-Concorde 2 was a tiny, cramped place (same as seeing Hawkwind in the USA!) and so the volume level was pretty much maxed out no matter where you chose to view the show. As I always do in such GA shows, I experimented with different spots on the floor until I found the best place, and so I had great sound where I was and could even hear Tim at times that he was normally drowned out (at Walth. he was less audible). Alan's bass was punchy and high in the mix, and with Dave playing all the guitar, it was really more 'rock' than 'space' like the trio lineup was. I would say that this gig was as good as it could possibly have been with a setlist that contained very few of my favorites. That said, it had a lot of interesting and different stuff...I liked Arthur's Time Captives/Captain and liked Arthur as frontman 100%. Aerospaceage Inferno was an excellent opener, essentially another 'split tune' with an extra bridge section in the middle making it a good 8 minutes long or so. Dave should again get a load of credit for putting together such a solidly 'arranged' 90-minute set (the later shows were obviously a bit longer than earlier gigs). The band may be criticized fairly for presenting no new material in several years, but for old poems put to different old music (Mike, are you going to start the poll now?). :) But I think it's underappreciated how important it is to work up a coherent live set, especially when they always present the old music in new ways. Yeah, AofA/Palestine needs retiring, but it was again a little different this time out as others have already mentioned. I don't know what to say about Huw's absence. Maybe if what others have alluded to is really true (I dunno...I've only seen him at Hawkestra and he was noticeably off-form then, but I can't say anything about a trend of course), then perhaps it made the band relax to not have him there the final two nights. I haven't seen anyone mention that his guitar was stolen from the bus several nights earlier! (And is the rumour true that it was seen posted somewhere on an auction site, such that there might be a way to retrieve it and catch the bastard?) But I guess that wasn't the cause of his absence, in that they were able to drum up a 'spare' in short order. I only heard that he was still down with the flu or something, and no mention of quitting for any other reason were suggested, not that I talked with anyone official about such matters. As far as 'official word' goes though, as usual you can never depend on anything being 100% certain. Like the idea of the poster/t-shirt artist being there to sign posters and such never materialized. In fact, they sold no posters at either gig. And of course, Simon House was 'expected.' But I won't complain...we all know with HW nothing's ever certain. Looking forward now to Summer Camp, praying that it happens too. And War of the Worlds maybe too. One cool thing is that I've found that travelling to London by budget air is cheaper than travelling to Frankfurt by train! That's all...Grakkl (FAA) From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Dec 15 11:49:04 2002 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (dplaw) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:49:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review Message-ID: nice review, pretty much agree with all sentiments, just a couple of other points - 1 - was i the only person who thought that the public transport links to the venue were rubish!, seeing as this was the bands "big" london gig i feel that it should have been held in a more central location. 2 - the band should invest in a bigger p.a for a venue of this size. although i thought the sound was good for the most part, it did'nt really leap out and hit you + on that note if ever there was a band that should employ a "quadrophonic" sound system then it must be hawkwind (before anybody points out the obvious, i know that this would be very expensive + hawkwind are not very rich) anyway thats my 10p worth dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review The usual five hour train journey from Cornwall to London and Stuart & myself make it into town on Friday afternoon for a quick whiz around the usual shops: Forbidden Planet, HMV, Borders and then its down to Walthamstow to find the hotel before the four o'clock deadline when its going to be cancelled...gosh, its a longer walk than it looks on the map (and going in the opposite direction for ten minutes to start with doesn't help!)...3.55pm and we are on the roundabout just before the hotel...but which way to go?????? We make it with about three minutes to spare and say "Hi" to Arin in reception and get ourselves booked in...theres a *great* bunch of people hanging around and we get our introductions: Rich, Merrick & Julie French, Alan Taylor, Keith Henderson, Denis Regenbrecht....Brock arrives with a cherry "hello everybody" and a complaint that it took three and a half hours to drive up from Brighton (the vintage car rally does it quicker than that surely??). We get ourselves settled in our room and time for a rest before heading down to The Bell pub...next time we need to pick an establishment where they do food...where we meet Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge (no, Jill, despite what you advised when we nearly met at St Austell in 1999...you don't look like my Gran!!!), Bernhard Pospiech (a great pleasure to meet the guy who got me onto the discussion lists in the first place - a highlight of the weekend really) and others...spend some time chatting "children-talk" with Julie: hope I don't embrass myself or the Frenchs by saying here what a smashing lady, we came away feeling like we'd known her all our lives..and then off to the gig in the company of our German friends. Catch up at the gig with Alan Taylor and then meet Alan Linsley for the first time and have a great chat. Litmus rather wash over us, but they generally went down very well. No Tim Blake solo performance which was a little disappointing (though from comments on earlier shows, not too disappointing). Great Hawkwind performance - a pity that Simon didn't show and very sad that Huw's membership seems to be slipping away again (it shouldn't end like this, but the impression is that he was "tired and emotional" once too often). Arthur Brown was a real revelation - a whirlling dynamo of energy - lets hope that he sticks around as he's certainly freshened up the format. Set List a bit uninspired compared to last year. Great to hear Out of the Shadows (how did the horse of the same name do in the 12.10 at Haydock yesterday..we liked the co-incidence bet), Aerospaceage *very* good, Assassins of Allah very tired but at least not quite as uncomfortable to listen to as last year. In keeping with what we read about the rest of the tour, Tim Blake very hard to pick out for most of the set, but he made the most of an extended intro for Lighthouse... Very sinister Sonic Attack..the first time I've enjoyed this one...marvellous Spirit of the Age. Very much a tight performance from the power trio but I enjoyed the fuller range of sound on last years tour that bit more. Lets hope Simon surfaces again for next year. We have a great time after the show in the party that Arin so kindly pulled together, catch up with Ben Fagin (yeah - we saw the steam train at Paddington station, Ben!) and finally head off to the hotel at 1.30am! Very leisurely breakfast the following morning, chatting again with Alan T, Bernhard, Rich & Arin and we meet Nick Lee as well. Finally, we head back to our room to gather our stuff and encounter Dave Brock coming the opposite way. Dave gives us a very cherpy "Morning!" Twenty years I've been going to his gigs and at last have said hello...I *knew* if I held out long enough he'd have to speak first :-))) A thrill! A great event, made Very special by meeting so many wonderful people from the discussion lists. Big thank you to Arin for her sterling work in organising the hotel (thanks also due to Rik I believe) and the after the gig party..and yes, Arin, I did buy "Chimes of Midnight" in Forbidden Planet yesterday! Ian From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Sun Dec 15 13:55:15 2002 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Andre Denis) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:55:15 +0100 Subject: OFF testing Message-ID: sorry but i'm just testing after been away on holiday for 6 weeks. andre From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Dec 15 16:21:52 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:21:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Northampton, Brighton & Walthamstow Message-ID: After good start to tour (for me) at Liverpoool, Northampton was up next. Local venue and I managed to drag a mate from work along (and he offered to drive!) who'd not really heard much HW other than in my car. All in all a pretty good gig, fairly much on a par with Liverpool. Managed to catch Tim's set this time. The computer crashed a few times again but he seemed happy to soldier on regardless and even managed to elicit a round of applause for the erratic PC on the grounds it might help! Quite good fun, but I've seen him play better when he's not been having technical difficulties. Dave, Alan & Richard were incredibly tight again, but i thought I noticed a few sideways glances when Huw came in from time to time. Huw didn't arrive on stage until halfway throuh Angels, apparently having locked out or in somewhere , as Dave said 'He couldn't get out of it so he had to get in to it!' And again, Huw seemed somewhat lost in the middle of Assassins and noodled rather pointlessly. Arthur was on top form, standing atop one of the amps during Master, this even got Dave out from behind his keyboards! A good gig, and my mate enjoyed it, but I heard later that the band hadn't liked the venue much and Neil & co on lights weren't too happy about the lightshow 'cos of the low ceiling. Brighton on Thursday next. After a horrendous journey that I thought I wouldn't manage to complete I arrived just after Tim finished, enough time to grab a drink & say hello to a few people before HW started. What a revelation tonight was. No Huw and, sad to say as I'm quite a fan of his when he's on form, the band were all the better for it. They seemed much more relaxed and really rocked out. The jams in the middle of songs seemed to go on a lot longer (particularly the Space Is Their variatin in Assassins) and with Dave's soloing the strongest I've heard in years Huw wasn't missed at all. The people who slagged the band for this show must've been at a different gig to me as everyone around me was really getting into it. Again, it was another packed (capacity?) venue and a great atmosphere. Bit of topical comment in Sonic Attack with Arthur referring to Cherie Blair! Last night of the tour next at Walthamstow. Managed to arrive in plenty of time tonight, although I got to the hotel later than intended, met Arin at reception and several list members plus Kris & Dave were waiting around. A few beers in the pub and a bag of chips later we in the venue. No warm-up from Tim tonight but Litmus provided an enjoyable support. HW gave easily the best performance of tour tonight, everyone seemed to be really enjoying themselves. Despite the capacity crowd (I really made one fan's night by selling him my spare ticket!) there seemed to be a fair bit of space to move around in even near the front.The large stage gave the Chaos Illumination team a big canvass to paint on and the sound was great. The set was as at the other gigs, with Out Of The Shadows, Master Of The Universe, The Watcher and Shouldn't Do That being my faves. Tim played around with quite a long intro for the best version of Lighthouse this tour. The stage show was augmented by a dancer for a couple of numbers (didn't catch her name despite chatting to her at the party afterwards!) who would've appeared earlier if she hadn't been delayed by a train fire. An extra encore rounded the show off in the form of Spirit Of The Age. I certainly never heard this played so heavily. Dave picking up his guitar part way through and hammering away the riff. Classic way to end a HW show! The after show party was a very pleasant and relaxed do. All the band & crew were there along with lots of list members and everyone was very open and chatty. Managed to talk to most of the band, I only wish that my camera battery hadn't run out during the show! This was followed by a further smaller gathering at the hotel afterwards which went on into the wee hours. A pretty cracking tour all told. My only minor gripe being that the set could've been slightly longer and the usual wish for new stuff (though Arthur's material was new to me). Having said that, I understand that the set list also would've included Spiral Galaxy if Simon had turnedup and Strange Flower if Huw had been more together. Definitely a band on fine form though having Simon on board would've been the icing the cake, hopefully next tour. A very big 'Hi!' to everyone I met & chatted to at all the gigs, great to put some more names and faces together, I'll not try list everyone as I'll only forget some of you. Here's looking forward to the next tour (next Spring did I hear?) & hopefully the album. Nick From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Dec 15 20:32:43 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:32:43 -0000 Subject: Walthamstow Review In-Reply-To: <012a01c2a415$f3136c00$fb60893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hey Ian! Superb review, a delight to read. I'll probably be in Par between 11.52 and 14.25 on Saturday 21st! Know any Real Ale Pubs? Would be great to see you, Can you make it? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams Sent: 15 December 2002 08:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review The usual five hour train journey from Cornwall to London and Stuart & myself make it into town on Friday afternoon for a quick whiz around the usual shops: Forbidden Planet, HMV, Borders and then its down to Walthamstow to find the hotel before the four o'clock deadline when its going to be cancelled...gosh, its a longer walk than it looks on the map (and going in the opposite direction for ten minutes to start with doesn't help!)...3.55pm and we are on the roundabout just before the hotel...but which way to go?????? We make it with about three minutes to spare and say "Hi" to Arin in reception and get ourselves booked in...theres a *great* bunch of people hanging around and we get our introductions: Rich, Merrick & Julie French, Alan Taylor, Keith Henderson, Denis Regenbrecht....Brock arrives with a cherry "hello everybody" and a complaint that it took three and a half hours to drive up from Brighton (the vintage car rally does it quicker than that surely??). We get ourselves settled in our room and time for a rest before heading down to The Bell pub...next time we need to pick an establishment where they do food...where we meet Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge (no, Jill, despite what you advised when we nearly met at St Austell in 1999...you don't look like my Gran!!!), Bernhard Pospiech (a great pleasure to meet the guy who got me onto the discussion lists in the first place - a highlight of the weekend really) and others...spend some time chatting "children-talk" with Julie: hope I don't embrass myself or the Frenchs by saying here what a smashing lady, we came away feeling like we'd known her all our lives..and then off to the gig in the company of our German friends. Catch up at the gig with Alan Taylor and then meet Alan Linsley for the first time and have a great chat. Litmus rather wash over us, but they generally went down very well. No Tim Blake solo performance which was a little disappointing (though from comments on earlier shows, not too disappointing). Great Hawkwind performance - a pity that Simon didn't show and very sad that Huw's membership seems to be slipping away again (it shouldn't end like this, but the impression is that he was "tired and emotional" once too often). Arthur Brown was a real revelation - a whirlling dynamo of energy - lets hope that he sticks around as he's certainly freshened up the format. Set List a bit uninspired compared to last year. Great to hear Out of the Shadows (how did the horse of the same name do in the 12.10 at Haydock yesterday..we liked the co-incidence bet), Aerospaceage *very* good, Assassins of Allah very tired but at least not quite as uncomfortable to listen to as last year. In keeping with what we read about the rest of the tour, Tim Blake very hard to pick out for most of the set, but he made the most of an extended intro for Lighthouse... Very sinister Sonic Attack..the first time I've enjoyed this one...marvellous Spirit of the Age. Very much a tight performance from the power trio but I enjoyed the fuller range of sound on last years tour that bit more. Lets hope Simon surfaces again for next year. We have a great time after the show in the party that Arin so kindly pulled together, catch up with Ben Fagin (yeah - we saw the steam train at Paddington station, Ben!) and finally head off to the hotel at 1.30am! Very leisurely breakfast the following morning, chatting again with Alan T, Bernhard, Rich & Arin and we meet Nick Lee as well. Finally, we head back to our room to gather our stuff and encounter Dave Brock coming the opposite way. Dave gives us a very cherpy "Morning!" Twenty years I've been going to his gigs and at last have said hello...I *knew* if I held out long enough he'd have to speak first :-))) A thrill! A great event, made Very special by meeting so many wonderful people from the discussion lists. Big thank you to Arin for her sterling work in organising the hotel (thanks also due to Rik I believe) and the after the gig party..and yes, Arin, I did buy "Chimes of Midnight" in Forbidden Planet yesterday! Ian From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Dec 15 20:34:12 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:34:12 -0000 Subject: Walthamstow Review In-Reply-To: <012a01c2a415$f3136c00$fb60893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Ian, sorry that post went to the list, slipped through somehow! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams Sent: 15 December 2002 08:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review The usual five hour train journey from Cornwall to London and Stuart & myself make it into town on Friday afternoon for a quick whiz around the usual shops: Forbidden Planet, HMV, Borders and then its down to Walthamstow to find the hotel before the four o'clock deadline when its going to be cancelled...gosh, its a longer walk than it looks on the map (and going in the opposite direction for ten minutes to start with doesn't help!)...3.55pm and we are on the roundabout just before the hotel...but which way to go?????? We make it with about three minutes to spare and say "Hi" to Arin in reception and get ourselves booked in...theres a *great* bunch of people hanging around and we get our introductions: Rich, Merrick & Julie French, Alan Taylor, Keith Henderson, Denis Regenbrecht....Brock arrives with a cherry "hello everybody" and a complaint that it took three and a half hours to drive up from Brighton (the vintage car rally does it quicker than that surely??). We get ourselves settled in our room and time for a rest before heading down to The Bell pub...next time we need to pick an establishment where they do food...where we meet Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge (no, Jill, despite what you advised when we nearly met at St Austell in 1999...you don't look like my Gran!!!), Bernhard Pospiech (a great pleasure to meet the guy who got me onto the discussion lists in the first place - a highlight of the weekend really) and others...spend some time chatting "children-talk" with Julie: hope I don't embrass myself or the Frenchs by saying here what a smashing lady, we came away feeling like we'd known her all our lives..and then off to the gig in the company of our German friends. Catch up at the gig with Alan Taylor and then meet Alan Linsley for the first time and have a great chat. Litmus rather wash over us, but they generally went down very well. No Tim Blake solo performance which was a little disappointing (though from comments on earlier shows, not too disappointing). Great Hawkwind performance - a pity that Simon didn't show and very sad that Huw's membership seems to be slipping away again (it shouldn't end like this, but the impression is that he was "tired and emotional" once too often). Arthur Brown was a real revelation - a whirlling dynamo of energy - lets hope that he sticks around as he's certainly freshened up the format. Set List a bit uninspired compared to last year. Great to hear Out of the Shadows (how did the horse of the same name do in the 12.10 at Haydock yesterday..we liked the co-incidence bet), Aerospaceage *very* good, Assassins of Allah very tired but at least not quite as uncomfortable to listen to as last year. In keeping with what we read about the rest of the tour, Tim Blake very hard to pick out for most of the set, but he made the most of an extended intro for Lighthouse... Very sinister Sonic Attack..the first time I've enjoyed this one...marvellous Spirit of the Age. Very much a tight performance from the power trio but I enjoyed the fuller range of sound on last years tour that bit more. Lets hope Simon surfaces again for next year. We have a great time after the show in the party that Arin so kindly pulled together, catch up with Ben Fagin (yeah - we saw the steam train at Paddington station, Ben!) and finally head off to the hotel at 1.30am! Very leisurely breakfast the following morning, chatting again with Alan T, Bernhard, Rich & Arin and we meet Nick Lee as well. Finally, we head back to our room to gather our stuff and encounter Dave Brock coming the opposite way. Dave gives us a very cherpy "Morning!" Twenty years I've been going to his gigs and at last have said hello...I *knew* if I held out long enough he'd have to speak first :-))) A thrill! A great event, made Very special by meeting so many wonderful people from the discussion lists. Big thank you to Arin for her sterling work in organising the hotel (thanks also due to Rik I believe) and the after the gig party..and yes, Arin, I did buy "Chimes of Midnight" in Forbidden Planet yesterday! Ian From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 06:03:00 2002 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:03:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow, everybody recovering? Message-ID: Hi y'all, Managed to get to both Brighton & Walthamstow & was a very happy bunny! Thought they played equally well at both venues but found the acoustics more pleasing at the latter gig, the Brighton venue was good in itself for it's more intimate atmosphere. As someone pointed out the crowd were 'well up for it'. Replicating opinions from previous postings I thoroughly enjoyed Mr. A. Browns contribution on the vocals - what a wonderful set of lungs he has... not to mention his 'playfull' presence on stage (was that a black & decker drill he was waving about?) & I don't think I have seen Tim Blake quite so animated before, half naked & gyrating with his organ!! We have labelled him the new sex symbol of HW (well you guys don't havethe female dancers anymore....). Both gigs were a lot more 'metal' sounding than I have become accustomed to of late but since I am born out of the heavy rock era was quite happy playing with my air guitar. It's a shame (for me) that Huw wasn't able to play as I am a massive fan of his riffy guitar but realise that the set seemed a lot 'tighter' without some of his less controlled 'wanderings'. Thank you Hawkwind for 2 more memorable evenings... Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 08:54:28 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:28 GMT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:59:14 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can > be obtained for free. The thing is that the way the fan network works, folks outside of it can't really get tapes for free. Someone has to establish trades within that network and that pretty much means that they're already known to people in the network because they are hard core fans or they already have substantial tape collections amounting to the same thing. The risks to the band come from someone who can obtain live tapes which could profitably be copied and sold. This means that they have to enter the network, get the tapes and then find some way of distributing them at cost less than the potential sales. That's really not so easy with Hawkwind stuff. They don't have access to any real network of shops. Few market traders would bother to carry Hawkwind tapes because sales wouldn't be high enough. The only way to make sales in volume would be at music events such as festivals and Hawkwind concerts. It'd be pretty hard to sell bootlegs at Hawkwind concerts and not be spotted by one of us. Some festivals might manage to do this at a profit, but nobody is going to manage to pay for a Glastonbury stall with sales of Hawkwind tapes. That leaves the Internet. Ebay is the obvious way to go. However that's precisely what the Neo-Quark traders take most interest in watching for and reporting Hawkwind bootleg traders. Doing so even in small numbers can generally get an auction pulled and has done so on several occasions. MP3 sites are a bit more of a problem and I do believe that we shouldn't have truck with people offering unsanctioned Hawkwind downloads and should report sites inasmuch as it does any good. The fan trading network will have some people quit in conscience and some who won't. I've already stated my position. If the lawyers are stupid enough to want to persecute the fans then it might as well be me on the basis that I can afford it, and I'm game for the argument anyway. Bring it on! Even Perry Mason would have a hard time proving that I could have spent more on Hawkwind if it weren't for live tapes. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 08:58:21 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:58:21 GMT Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > I have to admit that this whole thing grows more mysterious by the minute > (in a potboiler-ish sort of way:). :-) > > So, was it because Alan said he'd quit the band unless they issued > an edict telling those mofos in the audience to stop taping? >;-) > > (Next crackpot theory, please...:) The Illuminati made them say it. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 09:03:43 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:03:43 GMT Subject: Hawkwind request discussion continued In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:23 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > what if........ a BIG tour was on the drawing board..... say perhaps a = > world tour that quite possibly be funded by (whomever) under the = > provision that the recording was limited to an official recording. > Well hey - these things dont happen for free. The engineers gotta be = > paid - the auditorioums need up front guaratees of ticket sales and the = > cleaners gotta be paid. They sure as aint gonna work for free. SO WHY = > SHOULD HAWKWIND WORK FOR FREE. =20 > niche!! I'm quite happy to say that I won't trade for any tapes involving new tracks until I've already paid for the album and DVD that those new tracks appear on. I'd far rather have an album and DVD than audience tapes. That's a different proposition than banning live tapes of stuff that's already out, though I'll also promise not to trade in tapes of tracks of which I haven't already bought every single official version. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 09:28:05 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:28:05 GMT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Mark Von Bargen's message of Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: Mark Von Bargen writes: > i do hope that you are enjoying your dojo warrior copy. > the decision to request that all live taping and trading be stopped is very > sad but if that's how it must be then so be it. > By the way Nik asked for all of the mp3 files to be taken off the ICU site > last month. I believe they disappeared on 23rd November - wonder if there is > any connection? Yep, I think that what we Holmes people call "A Clue". > The other thing that has happened recently was the number of posts about > people making and wanting cdr copies of officially released albums. i'm sure > that topic really impressed the band. Yeah, they should be shot. Though in a nice hippy way of course. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 09:35:11 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:35:11 GMT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:38:52 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > Making a stupid comment does not make someone stupid Anyone who believes otherwise would only need 2 minutes with the Mensa magazine to reverse their view. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 09:42:53 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:42:53 GMT Subject: HW: Brighton In-Reply-To: Krishne's message of Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: Krishne writes: > Line-up was DB/Alan/Rich/Tim, plus Arthur Brown. No Huw, no > Simon- dunno what the story is. Anyway they didn't *sound* short- > staffed and Tim did a great job, playing synth as more of a lead > instrument than usual. I still don't like his solo stuff but he's playing well > in HW. Arthur Brown is a born entertainer, excellent singer, and even > seems to have learnt the words now. The 2 Arthur Brown numbers were > OK, but didn't really sound at home in the set IMHO. But interesting to > see HW try something completely different, although it does seem an odd > move. Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I > Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into > trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it. When > you see the same old songs appearing on the setlists, you tend to forget > how much these old faves can mutate from tour to tour. > > It took a while for them to completely hit their stride, but things seem to > take off with Lighthouse (not normally one of my favourites but hypnotic > and cool tonight), then a blinding rendition of The Watcher, which really > slinks along evilly these days. The absolute highlight: You Shouldn't Do > That, with the Seeing It As You Really Are coda and a snatch of what > might just be a (gasp) new song to round it off. You Shouldn't Do That is > one of the ultimate HW songs, but the only time I've heard it live before > now was at the Brixton Hawkestra. It was just brutal tonight, astonishing, > and mixed with the barrage of strobes to truly mind-altering effect. Yep, It'd be great to see more of that techno sound they brought in after Space Is Their Palestine. Tim certainly seemed more alive playing that than his solo set. An album of that style certainly wouldn't go amiss, particularly if Simon's violin accompanied it. > So- overall a very good gig, perhaps not one of the very greatest I thought Brighton was one of the best Hawkwind gigs I've seen. Certainly up there with the best of the last tour. > certainly there were some serious highlights in there. Enjoy > Walthamstow, those who are going. I did, very much. So we seem to be getting new numbers from putting together an old poem with an old instrumental. We've had Sonic Attack and Spacebrock, which doesn't work for me with Arthur's vocals. I've always been sold on Calvert's version for poetry and the Sonic Attack version for music. However the Earth Calling and Seeing It As You Really Are combo really rocks. I really hope we see a longer version of that soon. So what other combinations would work? What would go with Spiral Galaxy or Wind of Change? FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 16 09:52:04 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:52:04 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops announce 2 London appearances! Message-ID: Dear friends, We are happy to announce the following 2 London appearances! We hope to see some of you there! Sunday January 12th: The One Eyed Bishops will perform at The King's Head Pub, High Street, Merton, London SW19. We will only perform about 3-4 tunes this night, as the event is an acoustic music evening; presented monthly by The Sutton Acoustic Music Club. Various members and non-members entertain all evening. This will be our live prep for the following day's recording sessions at The School of Rock-n-Roll in South London see: www.tts.ttfans.com Wednesday, January 15th: The One Eyed Bishops will headline a 3 band bill at The Catch, 22 Kingsland Rd, London ( Shoreditch ) Phone: 020 77729 6097 nearest tube: Old street. This gig is in association with The Spitz management. www.spitz.co.uk doors open approximately 8:30 PM: A flyer will soon be distributed with additional information, ie. bands, times, entry price, etc. If you have questions, call the club. This is one not to miss!!!!!! Any additions or corrections will follow...Cheers! The OEBs http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.cafepress.com/oebs From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 12:11:14 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:11:14 -0000 Subject: FRIDAY 13TH Message-ID: Well perhaps its unlucky for some, but certainly not for us! . Walthamstow was an EVENT that certainly should not have been missed. With a really nice hotel (thanks Arin!) right opposite Walthamstow dog track, London transport performed the impossible and conveyed us right to the door!. Nice to be back home in London once again. Plenty of pre-gig time to obtain ones " Visionary Heads", led to us missing the meeting at the Bell pub. Actually we did get there, but by that time everything was melting and rather scary (laugh). The Assembly Hall looks a great deal like last years Salisbury venue, thus adding Deja Vu to the Melt. Litmus are support, and they really are rather good. There are of course the inevitable Hawkwind comparisons, but there are enough differences to set them apart. Just turn on the liquid wheel and off they go!.......born to go!. The Band will shortly take the stage and we acquire a mean position right in front of the speaker stack to feel as well as hear, and without any delay it is happening right in front of our subversive eyes. " Aerospaceage Inferno", with Arthur resplendent in a boilersuit illuminated by L.e.d .lighting and neon coils. Echoes of Bob Calvert come flooding in....Outrageous live!....this is how it oughtta be people.....pure essence of classic Hawkwind..not seen since the likes of Ron Tree. Credit to Arthur, the man is a living miracle, its like he has always been a band member....NO question at all. His vocals just gel right in to the Anarchistic drone that is emanating from the stage.....feeding our (by now) Exceedingly Visionary Heads. "Out of the shadows" was like a blackwind swirling around the speakers....Dave's bloody good tonight, considering all the stress involved with the trip from Brighton. Love the way the band are re-interpreting their classics. Take for example " Sonic Attack". We have Arthur dressed as a bastardised version of Darkman complete with miners lamp strapped to his head. He is reading "Attack" to the backing of "Spacebrock".......and it works! Innovative Masters of Reality!!!!!!!!! With the reprise of "Earth calling", Alan and Richard get into a drum & bass frenzy that goes way beyond the call of duty...sealing this as a real classic performance for us and hopefully for you to. To say that they explored the Nexus of the Crisis and came clean the other side is an understatement. BOC folk should get the drift. Encores are welcome, but by now the band have already proved that absolutely nothing else will ever come close to Hawkwind on a good night. The after gig party gave us a chance to chill out and return to some semblance of reality?......there are some really wonderful people attending this bash......so here we go. Kris Tait, we love you as always. Dave and all the band members, to this day we are not worthy but a thousand thanks for everything including the "Canterbury" CD autographs. Arin & Rich, a big thanks for all your hard work in organising us - much appreciated and good to meet you at long last! (Hope you found what you were looking for in Cornwall). Everyone at the aftershow party had a blast, thanks very much to the both of you. Jill, good to see you were able to make this gig!, and to meet you too and for sharing your stories with us. Your retention of a sense of humour over adversity is a lesson to us all. Sorry we didn't get over to say hi to Mike Holmes, whom you pointed out to us, but here it is now "Hello Mike", and hopefully will get it together to say it in the flesh next time. ADH appeared courtesy of Mike/Billwind. It was especially rewarding for us to to meet up with our "first list friend" Bernhard, and have the opportunity to speak at length for once. And of course to Rainer and Andreas too, it was like we had known you for ages, thank you for that. As for trusting us with the night bus arrangements, we can tell you now that we were not 100% convinced that we knew where or what we were doing at the time, but it worked out fine, with no long cold walk back, thankfully. Hi to all the folk we didn't actually speak with, it takes a while to come back down to earth, but hope to be able to say hello next time. All in all, we had a lot of fun, the general sense of cameraderie was apparent. We also got quite a giggle when at the end of the gig some kind soul asked us to sign his copy of Yule Ritual - fame at last!!!!! Thanks everyone for making this what it was, a night to remember - the red orb was well and truly glowing! Gary & Anna From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Mon Dec 16 15:04:21 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (TimElliott) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:04:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Walthamstow, everybody recovering? Message-ID: Wow...`gyrating with his organ'...glad i missed that LOL tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: HW: Walthamstow, everybody recovering? > Hi y'all, > > Managed to get to both Brighton & Walthamstow & was a very happy > bunny! > > Thought they played equally well at both venues but found the > acoustics more pleasing at the latter gig, the Brighton venue was good > in itself for it's more intimate atmosphere. As someone pointed out the > crowd were 'well up for it'. > > Replicating opinions from previous postings I thoroughly enjoyed Mr. > A. Browns contribution on the vocals - what a wonderful set of lungs > he has... not to mention his 'playfull' presence on stage (was that a > black & decker drill he was waving about?) & I don't think I have seen > Tim Blake quite so animated before, half naked & gyrating with his > organ!! We have labelled him the new sex symbol of HW (well you > guys don't havethe female dancers anymore....). > > Both gigs were a lot more 'metal' sounding than I have become > accustomed to of late but since I am born out of the heavy rock era > was quite happy playing with my air guitar. It's a shame (for me) that > Huw wasn't able to play as I am a massive fan of his riffy guitar but > realise that the set seemed a lot 'tighter' without some of his less > controlled 'wanderings'. > > Thank you Hawkwind for 2 more memorable evenings... > > Maxine > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 16 17:41:44 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:44 -0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Expect a more definitive statement on this from the band in the near future. 'Nuff said. Nick From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Mon Dec 16 18:36:57 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:36:57 +0000 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: FoFP writes-- > If the lawyers are stupid enough to want to persecute the fans then it > might as well be me on the basis that I can afford it, and I'm game for > the argument anyway. Bring it on! Even Perry Mason would have a hard > time proving that I could have spent more on Hawkwind if it weren't for > live tapes. Yikes, did you inherit, make a killing in the stock market, pursue an incredibly lucrative career, or rob a bank? :-) Guido From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 19:45:07 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:15:07 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: An interesting point of view. Cheers :) My only gripe in this issue is the complaints towards the band. Some will continue recording regardless and that is none of my business. The good thing about the majority of the folks who are into the trading is that it is strictly trading. Especialy on neoquark. Good fans who just love the music. The biggest problem with communicating an idea via an email is that it lacks several key elements that basic face to face people interaction and a message (email) can all too often be misinterpreted. I hope I haven't been confused as being against people for trading these shows where I actually was only against the complaints against the band. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Michael Blackman writes: > > > Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same material can > > be obtained for free. > > The thing is that the way the fan network works, folks outside of it > can't really get tapes for free. Someone has to establish trades within > that network and that pretty much means that they're already known to > people in the network because they are hard core fans or they already > have substantial tape collections amounting to the same thing. > > The risks to the band come from someone who can obtain live tapes which > could profitably be copied and sold. This means that they have to enter > the network, get the tapes and then find some way of distributing them > at cost less than the potential sales. That's really not so easy with > Hawkwind stuff. They don't have access to any real network of shops. > Few market traders would bother to carry Hawkwind tapes because sales > wouldn't be high enough. The only way to make sales in volume would be > at music events such as festivals and Hawkwind concerts. It'd be pretty > hard to sell bootlegs at Hawkwind concerts and not be spotted by one of > us. Some festivals might manage to do this at a profit, but nobody is > going to manage to pay for a Glastonbury stall with sales of Hawkwind > tapes. > > That leaves the Internet. Ebay is the obvious way to go. However that's > precisely what the Neo-Quark traders take most interest in watching for > and reporting Hawkwind bootleg traders. Doing so even in small numbers > can generally get an auction pulled and has done so on several > occasions. > > MP3 sites are a bit more of a problem and I do believe that we shouldn't > have truck with people offering unsanctioned Hawkwind downloads and > should report sites inasmuch as it does any good. > > The fan trading network will have some people quit in conscience and > some who won't. I've already stated my position. > > If the lawyers are stupid enough to want to persecute the fans then it > might as well be me on the basis that I can afford it, and I'm game for > the argument anyway. Bring it on! Even Perry Mason would have a hard > time proving that I could have spent more on Hawkwind if it weren't for > live tapes. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 19:47:13 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:13 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind. Message-ID: LoL. That is the joy of living in a world full of diversity. Anything and everything is possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind. > Michael Blackman writes: > > > Making a stupid comment does not make someone stupid > > Anyone who believes otherwise would only need 2 minutes with the Mensa > magazine to reverse their view. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 19:54:31 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:24:31 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Forgive me father for I hath sinned...... :) I've got a cdr copy of ASAM because I can't find it anywhere other than ebay and I cant afford $120 + (AU$) right now. As soon as it is re issued I am going to buy 3 copies. If a box set is re-released I will buy a few copies of that as well. Same with QS&C. Couldn't find it anywhere other than ebay and those seem to be more valuable than gold (nearly) on ebay as I have never been able to place a high enough bid on one. so I had cdr untill I recently secured a box set just a week or so ago thanks to the great Andy G! I am a sinner - yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Mark Von Bargen writes: > > > i do hope that you are enjoying your dojo warrior copy. > > the decision to request that all live taping and trading be stopped is very > > sad but if that's how it must be then so be it. > > By the way Nik asked for all of the mp3 files to be taken off the ICU site > > last month. I believe they disappeared on 23rd November - wonder if there is > > any connection? > > Yep, I think that what we Holmes people call "A Clue". > > > The other thing that has happened recently was the number of posts about > > people making and wanting cdr copies of officially released albums. i'm sure > > that topic really impressed the band. > > Yeah, they should be shot. Though in a nice hippy way of course. > > FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 20:00:25 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:30:25 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Nope - I want more said ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > Expect a more definitive statement on this from the band in the near future. > 'Nuff said. > > Nick From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 20:07:15 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:37:15 +1030 Subject: FRIDAY 13TH Message-ID: How was the stuff ;-) Friday the 13th is only unlucky if you think it is. Any day could be unlucky if enough focus was directed on it. Even more so when alot of people are all feeling that way. Unlucky is lighting your farts with a match to amuse the other travellers on the Hindenburg or something similar. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 16 20:25:47 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:25:47 EST Subject: Hi! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/02 6:18:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > The Scottish accent has always fascinated me. I am also seriously > hypnotised by the Northern English accent - Especially the 'Geordie.' > Well - a bit exaggerated (to say hypnotised) but those accents have always > fascinated me in a good way. I would have to say there is nothing sexier in > this world than a female with a 'Geordie' or Scottish accent. except that host(ess) of "Changing Rooms". I think you know what I mean, Michael. btw: receive the discs yet? Chuck From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 03:14:32 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:14:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: HW: Official Post From Hawkwind > Sure, if you are going to start Officially releasing live recordings from > the > past, present and future similar to the Grateful Dead's Dick's Picks > releases > - we would all understand your rationale alot more. > > Is this the case?? This would be a great idea...I can see it now: "Bernhard's Bests" Ian From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 04:11:24 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:11:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:10:42 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: >On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000, Jonathan Norman >wrote: >>Hi >> >>I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have is >>very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my >>sub-woofer hates it. >> >>Has anyone else had this problem? > >Yes, it's a typical newbie mastering engineer mistake to overuse a favorite >(or newly-obtained) piece of equipment or (if computer-mastered) plug-in, >in this case, something along the lines of an Aphex Aural Exciter/Bass >Enhancer (a web search on the name of the mastering engineer turns up a guy >who seems to be very experienced at binaural recording, but has no >mastering credits mentioned ... no idea whether or not it's actually the >same person, as those two audio engineering tasks are not at all related). >So you get a bass sound that sounds "awesome" on cheap equipment (like a >boom box or car stereo, and maybe even crap monitors that are all treble no >bass like NS-10's), but utterly nothing like a real bass guitar when played >on a system capable of accurately reproducing the sound of a recording. > >I have a bad enough time listening to 'Yule Ritual' through my speakers >(Vandersteens - http://www.vandersteen.com/ ), which have much more of a >flat, uncolored, studio-monitor-like response than most home audio >speakers, so I can only imagine that the sound must be utterly abyssmal >through a system with a subwoofer. > >Which is all too bad, as I like the album quite a bit (although there's >major room for improvement in other areas, but I've bitched about it enough >for one day). Great contributions by Ron, Simon, Harvey & Keith Kniveton, >especially (and presumably Jerry, but like I just said ... ). > >There was a web broadcast of part of the show which had a proper sounding >bass guitar, so a decent recording obviously exists somewhere ... > >(And on the "other" subject, this underscores the importance of audience >taping, since that's the only way to get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' >Astoria set that *doesn't* have this mastering screwup. Sorry to dwell on >this, since I've mentioned it before, but words cannot describe how >appalled I was when I first heard it.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 17 04:21:52 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:51:52 +1030 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: That is really bizarre because my copy is great to listen to. Has the mix been messed with since it was first released perhaps? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr _ Technical To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on > cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:10:42 -0500, Doug Pearson > wrote: > > >On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000, Jonathan Norman > >wrote: > >>Hi > >> > >>I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have > is > >>very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my > >>sub-woofer hates it. > >> > >>Has anyone else had this problem? > > > >Yes, it's a typical newbie mastering engineer mistake to overuse a > favorite > >(or newly-obtained) piece of equipment or (if computer-mastered) plug-in, > >in this case, something along the lines of an Aphex Aural Exciter/Bass > >Enhancer (a web search on the name of the mastering engineer turns up a > guy > >who seems to be very experienced at binaural recording, but has no > >mastering credits mentioned ... no idea whether or not it's actually the > >same person, as those two audio engineering tasks are not at all related). > >So you get a bass sound that sounds "awesome" on cheap equipment (like a > >boom box or car stereo, and maybe even crap monitors that are all treble > no > >bass like NS-10's), but utterly nothing like a real bass guitar when > played > >on a system capable of accurately reproducing the sound of a recording. > > > >I have a bad enough time listening to 'Yule Ritual' through my speakers > >(Vandersteens - http://www.vandersteen.com/ ), which have much more of a > >flat, uncolored, studio-monitor-like response than most home audio > >speakers, so I can only imagine that the sound must be utterly abyssmal > >through a system with a subwoofer. > > > >Which is all too bad, as I like the album quite a bit (although there's > >major room for improvement in other areas, but I've bitched about it > enough > >for one day). Great contributions by Ron, Simon, Harvey & Keith Kniveton, > >especially (and presumably Jerry, but like I just said ... ). > > > >There was a web broadcast of part of the show which had a proper sounding > >bass guitar, so a decent recording obviously exists somewhere ... > > > >(And on the "other" subject, this underscores the importance of audience > >taping, since that's the only way to get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' > >Astoria set that *doesn't* have this mastering screwup. Sorry to dwell on > >this, since I've mentioned it before, but words cannot describe how > >appalled I was when I first heard it.) > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 05:40:02 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:40:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Free Hawkzines Message-ID: Hi, Just having a clear out of the loft ...... I have come across 16 back-issues of the German Hawkwind fanzine - Hawkzine. Issues 23 & 32-46. (Nov 93 - June 97). These are predominantly written in German, but each has some English content as well. These are free to anyone willing to pay the postage post. They are all A4 and lie about 2 inches high (just to indicate rough postage cost). Please e-mail me if interested. Cheers, Jez From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 06:21:41 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:21:41 -0000 Subject: Free Hawkzines In-Reply-To: <001201c2a5ba$0158eba0$4e2c883e@jezd> Message-ID: Jez, Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I feel a bit awkward about sending the scans because of this piracy crackdown. Any other band I would do it, when it comes to Hawkwind I have a conscience. All the best Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Jez Dacombe Sent: 17 December 2002 10:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Free Hawkzines Hi, Just having a clear out of the loft ...... I have come across 16 back-issues of the German Hawkwind fanzine - Hawkzine. Issues 23 & 32-46. (Nov 93 - June 97). These are predominantly written in German, but each has some English content as well. These are free to anyone willing to pay the postage post. They are all A4 and lie about 2 inches high (just to indicate rough postage cost). Please e-mail me if interested. Cheers, Jez From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Dec 17 06:36:59 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:36:59 +0000 Subject: HW: War of the Worlds postponed ? Message-ID: I was reading about next year's War of the Worlds gig on the net last night (via a link from MC). Is it true that the whole gig has been postponed ? The reason seemed something to do with mechanical difficulties with the 50' tripods (!) Apologies for lack of links, but I have no net access at work, which is where I'm posting this from. Can anyone confirm this, or have a clue when the gig might actually take place (the article seemed to say 'next year' so I don't know if this means 2003 or 2004) As someone who grew up with both the book and Jeff Wayne's musical version, I would *really* like to see this happen. Cheers Neil. From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 07:05:16 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:05:16 -0000 Subject: HW: War of the Worlds postponed ? Message-ID: Neil wrote: >I was reading about next year's War of the Worlds gig on the net last night >(via a link from MC). >Is it true that the whole gig has been postponed ? The reason seemed >something to do with mechanical difficulties with the 50' tripods (!) >Can anyone confirm this, or have a clue when the gig might actually take >place (the article seemed to say 'next year' so I don't know if this means >2003 or 2004) This gig was originally due to take place in August 2002 - it's this date that's being referred to as "postponed due to tripod difficulties". The May 3rd 2003 date is the rescheduled date (one of 8 dates throughout 2003 now, though HW are only playing the May 3 show as far as I know). BTW, the link is http://www.waroftheworlds.info/wotw.html Dave From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Tue Dec 17 08:45:46 2002 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:45:46 +0000 Subject: HW: War of the Worlds postponed ? Message-ID: Thanks a lot Dave - thats cheered me up no end :o) Cheers Neil. Dave Bottomley @LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> on 17/12/2002 12:05:16 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent by: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU cc: Subject: Re: HW: War of the Worlds postponed ? Neil wrote: >I was reading about next year's War of the Worlds gig on the net last night >(via a link from MC). >Is it true that the whole gig has been postponed ? The reason seemed >something to do with mechanical difficulties with the 50' tripods (!) >Can anyone confirm this, or have a clue when the gig might actually take >place (the article seemed to say 'next year' so I don't know if this means >2003 or 2004) This gig was originally due to take place in August 2002 - it's this date that's being referred to as "postponed due to tripod difficulties". The May 3rd 2003 date is the rescheduled date (one of 8 dates throughout 2003 now, though HW are only playing the May 3 show as far as I know). BTW, the link is http://www.waroftheworlds.info/wotw.html Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Dec 17 08:59:04 2002 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:59:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:51:52 +1030, Michael Blackman wrote: >That is really bizarre because my copy is great to listen to. Has the mix >been messed with since it was first released perhaps? > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dr _ Technical >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:41 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > > >> My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on >> cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! >> >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:10:42 -0500, Doug Pearson >> wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000, Jonathan Norman >> >wrote: >> >>Hi >> >> >> >>I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have >> is >> >>very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my >> >>sub-woofer hates it. >> >> >> >>Has anyone else had this problem? >> > >> >Yes, it's a typical newbie mastering engineer mistake to overuse a >> favorite >> >(or newly-obtained) piece of equipment or (if computer-mastered) plug- in, >> >in this case, something along the lines of an Aphex Aural Exciter/Bass >> >Enhancer (a web search on the name of the mastering engineer turns up a >> guy >> >who seems to be very experienced at binaural recording, but has no >> >mastering credits mentioned ... no idea whether or not it's actually the >> >same person, as those two audio engineering tasks are not at all >related). >> >So you get a bass sound that sounds "awesome" on cheap equipment (like a >> >boom box or car stereo, and maybe even crap monitors that are all treble >> no >> >bass like NS-10's), but utterly nothing like a real bass guitar when >> played >> >on a system capable of accurately reproducing the sound of a recording. >> > >> >I have a bad enough time listening to 'Yule Ritual' through my speakers >> >(Vandersteens - http://www.vandersteen.com/ ), which have much more of a >> >flat, uncolored, studio-monitor-like response than most home audio >> >speakers, so I can only imagine that the sound must be utterly abyssmal >> >through a system with a subwoofer. >> > >> >Which is all too bad, as I like the album quite a bit (although there's >> >major room for improvement in other areas, but I've bitched about it >> enough >> >for one day). Great contributions by Ron, Simon, Harvey & Keith >Kniveton, >> >especially (and presumably Jerry, but like I just said ... ). >> > >> >There was a web broadcast of part of the show which had a proper sounding >> >bass guitar, so a decent recording obviously exists somewhere ... >> > >> >(And on the "other" subject, this underscores the importance of audience >> >taping, since that's the only way to get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' >> >Astoria set that *doesn't* have this mastering screwup. Sorry to dwell >on >> >this, since I've mentioned it before, but words cannot describe how >> >appalled I was when I first heard it.) >> > >> > -Doug >> > jasret at mindspring.com this whole discussion about the yule ritual mix is, imho,a bit like when you get 2 people watching the same football match. although they may be standing next to each other they will still interpret it in their own way, according to their viewpoint. same with this album, or any for that matter, if you like the production techniques employed you'll go for it, if however you don't then it won't be to your liking! lets be honest we havw had to put up with some "strange" mixes over the years as far as h\w are concerned !!!! regards dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 09:06:46 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:06:46 GMT Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: nycademon@ATTBI.COM's message of Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:36:57 +0000 Message-ID: nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > FoFP writes-- > > > If the lawyers are stupid enough to want to persecute the fans then > > it might as well be me on the basis that I can afford it, and I'm > > game for the argument anyway. Bring it on! Even Perry Mason would > > have a hard time proving that I could have spent more on Hawkwind if > > it weren't for live tapes. > Yikes, did you inherit, make a killing in the stock market, pursue an > incredibly lucrative career, or rob a bank? :-) A little in the stockmarkets, but basically I live by the rules: A) Never borrow money. B) Live below your income. That way I don't pay interest and I always save money at the end of the month. I won't be a millionaire any time soon, or probably ever, but it'd probably take a whole posse of lawyers to bankrupt me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 09:18:30 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:18:30 GMT Subject: HW: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Dr _ Technical's message of Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: Dr _ Technical writes: > My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on > cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! Yep, mine too. Now it looks like I'll need a bass heavy and bass lite version to be a kompletist. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 17 10:24:10 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:54:10 +1030 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: I have listened to it on several stereo systems and there is definatly no abundance of bass (frequencies) in the mix on the cd I have. I think that is what has been mentioned by two people so far. Not just that the mix is unusual but that the bass frequencies are so loud it ruins the sound of the music. Am I correct in my deduction here? Being an audio engineer specialising in recording techniques etc I tend to have a different perspective on an albums sound. That is I listen to an album on several levels. Not just if I like it :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:51:52 +1030, Michael Blackman > wrote: > > >That is really bizarre because my copy is great to listen to. Has the mix > >been messed with since it was first released perhaps? > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dr _ Technical > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:41 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > > > > > >> My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on > >> cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! > >> > >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:10:42 -0500, Doug Pearson > >> wrote: > >> > >> >On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:34:52 +0000, Jonathan Norman > >> >wrote: > >> >>Hi > >> >> > >> >>I need to know if I have a duff copy of this album. The version I have > >> is > >> >>very bass heavy - so bass heavy that you can't turn up the volume as my > >> >>sub-woofer hates it. > >> >> > >> >>Has anyone else had this problem? > >> > > >> >Yes, it's a typical newbie mastering engineer mistake to overuse a > >> favorite > >> >(or newly-obtained) piece of equipment or (if computer-mastered) plug- > in, > >> >in this case, something along the lines of an Aphex Aural Exciter/Bass > >> >Enhancer (a web search on the name of the mastering engineer turns up a > >> guy > >> >who seems to be very experienced at binaural recording, but has no > >> >mastering credits mentioned ... no idea whether or not it's actually the > >> >same person, as those two audio engineering tasks are not at all > >related). > >> >So you get a bass sound that sounds "awesome" on cheap equipment (like a > >> >boom box or car stereo, and maybe even crap monitors that are all treble > >> no > >> >bass like NS-10's), but utterly nothing like a real bass guitar when > >> played > >> >on a system capable of accurately reproducing the sound of a recording. > >> > > >> >I have a bad enough time listening to 'Yule Ritual' through my speakers > >> >(Vandersteens - http://www.vandersteen.com/ ), which have much more of a > >> >flat, uncolored, studio-monitor-like response than most home audio > >> >speakers, so I can only imagine that the sound must be utterly abyssmal > >> >through a system with a subwoofer. > >> > > >> >Which is all too bad, as I like the album quite a bit (although there's > >> >major room for improvement in other areas, but I've bitched about it > >> enough > >> >for one day). Great contributions by Ron, Simon, Harvey & Keith > >Kniveton, > >> >especially (and presumably Jerry, but like I just said ... ). > >> > > >> >There was a web broadcast of part of the show which had a proper > sounding > >> >bass guitar, so a decent recording obviously exists somewhere ... > >> > > >> >(And on the "other" subject, this underscores the importance of audience > >> >taping, since that's the only way to get a copy of the 'Yule Ritual' > >> >Astoria set that *doesn't* have this mastering screwup. Sorry to dwell > >on > >> >this, since I've mentioned it before, but words cannot describe how > >> >appalled I was when I first heard it.) > >> > > >> > -Doug > >> > jasret at mindspring.com > > this whole discussion about the yule ritual mix is, imho,a bit like when > you get 2 people watching the same football match. although they may be > standing next to each other they will still interpret it in their own way, > according to their viewpoint. same with this album, or any for that matter, > if you like the production techniques employed you'll go for it, if > however you don't then it won't be to your liking! lets be honest we havw > had to put up with some "strange" mixes over the years as far as h\w are > concerned !!!! > regards > dave From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 17 10:29:58 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:59:58 +1030 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: Very wise words indeed. I see credit with a whole new persective now. Will never ever use it again. Each credit debt is like a leech on the soul. Still some people are able to use those 60 day interest free credit cards (we have in oz) and actually work the interest in their own savings accounts to their advantage (a pitance I know - bank interest rates lol) but its something. Me, on the other hand...... doesn't work. So I leave it alone. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > > > FoFP writes-- > > > > > > If the lawyers are stupid enough to want to persecute the fans then > > > it might as well be me on the basis that I can afford it, and I'm > > > game for the argument anyway. Bring it on! Even Perry Mason would > > > have a hard time proving that I could have spent more on Hawkwind if > > > it weren't for live tapes. > > > Yikes, did you inherit, make a killing in the stock market, pursue an > > incredibly lucrative career, or rob a bank? :-) > > A little in the stockmarkets, but basically I live by the rules: > > A) Never borrow money. > > B) Live below your income. > > That way I don't pay interest and I always save money at the end of the > month. I won't be a millionaire any time soon, or probably ever, but > it'd probably take a whole posse of lawyers to bankrupt me. > > FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 17 10:31:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:01:09 +1030 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: we should compare cd's - serial numbers or whatever the smeg .... ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > Dr _ Technical writes: > > > My version of this album is also bass heavy (recently purchased). Even on > > cheap monitors, it nearly blows them up with the volume halfway decent! > > Yep, mine too. > > Now it looks like I'll need a bass heavy and bass lite version to be a > kompletist. > > FoFP > From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 10:48:39 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:48:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Absolutely correct, it is so loud as to be virtually unlistenable. Even if the bass is wound down with a grapic equaliser, there is still distortion. From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 10:51:23 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: E4012/4013 in the disc centres and IFPIl122. Are these ythe serials? From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 10:54:52 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: 'Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it.' If my memory is correct, the techno drum thingy sounded very much like Forge of Vulcan (Manchester) - anyone agree? From gerald.whitworth at PARTHUSCEVA.COM Tue Dec 17 11:04:56 2002 From: gerald.whitworth at PARTHUSCEVA.COM (Gerald Whitworth) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:04:56 -0000 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: Having just seen Hawkwind play at Northampton on the 10th December, and having enjoyed it so much, I was intrigued to learn that Space Ritual will be playing at the same venue in January. Now its not often that bands like Hawkwind come to places like Northampton, so these occasions have to be made the most of. So has anyone any comments on Space Ritual. You know, like how good the show is and what the set might consist of. I know the bands have had their differences in the past but to me the music is more important than the politics. So come on guys - what do you know. From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Dec 17 11:29:05 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:29:05 EST Subject: Somerset went to Walthamstow Message-ID: Hi folks, Just to say, Had a great time on Friday Night. met and chatted with lots of people. Regaling stories of old. Nice to meet so many people from the list. Special mentions to Mike - how did you manage to keep your head inside that mask all night ( were you purple with heat when you took it off), Bernhard - a Pleasure to meet you finally, and watch that Bridport video its me Colin - I finally managed to get you a pint whilst working on the 24 track ( me hopes theres a live recording, how does it sound ?), Kris - Finally got my passport stamped thanks for not taking the piss , countless gigs yet not taken the passport to any. Arin - great to see you again and meet your man. Thanks for the organisation of us all. Eric - Nice Crystal man !! we saw you working down the front & the back. Merrick & Julie - Bloody great shapes man. A great swapping of stories & a nice shirt.... Richard Chadwick - We need a Trance Drum & Bass CD by you please and we need it NOW !!!!!!!!!!!! So having imbibed at the Bell, we shuffled off to the gig, The other Iain I was with was full of flu and hence we didn't stay at the hotel , he also had a problematic ear personally being a somerset lad i suspect he's been getting to close to the carrots again. He suggests otherwise Moved around a bit tonight to make sure I got to hear everything, sound by the mixing desk was just loud enough and very clear, Tim lacked a bit of volume but Dave guitar punched through. Richard played a blinder, And Ali was solid. Went down the front for the second half of the set moving in to a central position which was nice and loud. Tim was louder & so was Ali. Hassan I sabbah is still a brilliant tune, i know people are getting bored of it, but I love it more each time I hear it, The trance drum and bass playing / mixing/ programming by Richard is brilliant. I could do a Whole CD';s worth of that please Richard !!!!!!!! Any chance? Also this is not a new inclusion this section, its been around for a while, just that now Richard is moving it into the drum & bass area... Highlight was the Watcher until they played ..Shouldn't do that..WOW that was seriously good but not long enough. very intense, we want more of that please. Could we have Space is Deep next tour please Sorry to hear about Huw, and missed Simon even more.... Sorry to the organisers that we couldn't stay for the party and chat more with people & band, the other iain was ill and was going to the doctor next day, Me I hadn't seen my family in 2 weeks and desperate to see them. Next time i'll stay honest guv. ( Summer camp PLEASE ) and not the Larmer tree weekend pretty please)..... Love, Peace & Yule spirit to all iain Now Playing ITBOTFTBD on headphones YES!!! it RULES !!!!!! From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Dec 17 12:00:20 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:00:20 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi Gerald Review of Space Ritual.net's 8th Nov gig at the Mean Fiddler: http://www.starfarer.net/greasy_truckers.html This was concocted from 4 separate reviews by HW fans who attended the gig Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 12:06:31 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:06:31 GMT Subject: Somerset went to Walthamstow In-Reply-To: Iain Ferguson's message of Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:29:05 EST Message-ID: Iain Ferguson writes: > Mike - how did you manage to keep your head inside that mask all night ( were > you purple with heat when you took it off), Yeah, a bit sweaty like. It's a jungle out there. > Richard Chadwick - We need a Trance Drum & Bass CD by you please and we need > it NOW !!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, an album of this stuff with Tim and Simon would be most excellent! -- The Urban Gorilla From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 13:01:07 2002 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:01:07 -0000 Subject: FRIDAY 13TH Message-ID: > How was the stuff ;-) Great, if you can now send Kylie remix vol 4 we will have a complete set. > Friday the 13th is only unlucky if you think it is. Any day could be > unlucky if enough focus was directed on it. Even more so when alot of > people are all feeling that way. "I should be so unlucky" does not quite have the same ring about it, sounds like something a Pom would say. > Unlucky is lighting your farts with a match to amuse the other travellers on > the Hindenburg or something similar. Like finding your copy of Warrior is really a mispress (sic) Love G&A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: 17 December 2002 01:07 Subject: Re: FRIDAY 13TH > How was the stuff ;-) > > Friday the 13th is only unlucky if you think it is. Any day could be > unlucky if enough focus was directed on it. Even more so when alot of > people are all feeling that way. > > Unlucky is lighting your farts with a match to amuse the other travellers on > the Hindenburg or something similar. > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 09:17:23 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:23 GMT Subject: FRIDAY 13TH In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:37:15 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > How was the stuff ;-) > > Friday the 13th is only unlucky if you think it is. Any day could be > unlucky if enough focus was directed on it. Even more so when alot of > people are all feeling that way. > > Unlucky is lighting your farts with a match to amuse the other travellers on > the Hindenburg or something similar. It's an error to believe that the Hindenburg was primarily downed by burning hydrogen. The flame was orange, not blue. It's likely that it was downed by a spark from a buildup of static discharge earthing on the pylon or ground through a tether. This lit the paint lining on the balloon, which rather unfortunately was made out of stuff we now use as rocket fuel. That does burn with an orange flame. Of course the hydrogen got going a little later, but it looks like it wasn't the primary problem. Seems to me that the engineering message to take home is not to paint aircraft with rocket fuel. Of course now we fill them with helium instead of hydrogen too. FoFP From rockypaths at MSN.COM Tue Dec 17 13:46:30 2002 From: rockypaths at MSN.COM (Jonathan Norman) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:46:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: They are the same numbers that I have. Where there different ones to these? I think the CD has a great track listing but to me I just can't listen to it which is a real shame. Jon PS Thought Walthamstow was a great show.. >From: Dr _ Technical >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:23 -0500 > >E4012/4013 in the disc centres and IFPIl122. Are these ythe serials? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Dec 17 15:10:43 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:10:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. However, I have a feeling you won't have this problem with the Canterbury CD, folks... Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Norman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > They are the same numbers that I have. Where there different ones to these? > > I think the CD has a great track listing but to me I just can't listen to it > which is a real shame. > > Jon > > PS Thought Walthamstow was a great show.. > > > > > > > >From: Dr _ Technical > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:23 -0500 > > > >E4012/4013 in the disc centres and IFPIl122. Are these ythe serials? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 15:31:15 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:31:15 -0000 Subject: Free Hawkzines In-Reply-To: <002901c2a5be$812af2c0$5cddc150@ben7e366j8rpu0> Message-ID: I did it again, oh Christ. This was meant to be off list, sorry all. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Ben Fagin Sent: 17 December 2002 11:22 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Free Hawkzines Jez, Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I feel a bit awkward about sending the scans because of this piracy crackdown. Any other band I would do it, when it comes to Hawkwind I have a conscience. All the best Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Jez Dacombe Sent: 17 December 2002 10:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Free Hawkzines Hi, Just having a clear out of the loft ...... I have come across 16 back-issues of the German Hawkwind fanzine - Hawkzine. Issues 23 & 32-46. (Nov 93 - June 97). These are predominantly written in German, but each has some English content as well. These are free to anyone willing to pay the postage post. They are all A4 and lie about 2 inches high (just to indicate rough postage cost). Please e-mail me if interested. Cheers, Jez From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 15:29:56 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:29:56 -0000 Subject: Yule Bass Message-ID: Hi, I've never had any problems whatsoever with the bass on these CDs. Admittedly, the sound is quite distinctive, but when I first played it years ago, my thoughts were "excellent sound". It may well not be the true sound, but it certainly sounds OK to me. In fact, to be honest, I thought the bass was a huge factor in my loving of the CD. Maybe it says more about my Hi-Fi than the CD? Jez From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Dec 17 15:30:21 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:30:21 -0500 Subject: Confirmation Message-ID: Just found a copy of In The Beginning for $5 so I picked it up. Didn't expect anything I don't already have. Looking at it now it almost looks like the Text of Festival(cd version). Other than changing the titles a little. Can anyone confirm this is the exact same thing? Its still sealed and I don't need to unwrap it, if it is. Thank you, Cheers Stephe From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 17 15:31:03 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:31:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Canterbury / Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: <00d201c2a608$793598a0$a3aa6fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: Hi Keith At 20:10 17.12.2002 +0000, you wrote: >However, I have a feeling you won't have this problem with the >Canterbury CD, folks... What a fantastic CD !!! I bought it on Friday and have heard it about 7 times now. And it is getting better and better.... The band played an awesome set. Very interesing tracks Every musician played great! This is one of the best Hawkwind gigs I've ever heard. Crystal clear recording. You can hear every single instrument. Thanks HAWKWIND for releasing this gig officially !!!!!!!!!!!! cheers Bernhard (Its time to listen to this CD once again.....) From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 16:05:53 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:05:53 +0000 Subject: Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <200212171700.MAA11512@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Gerald The Mean Fiddler gig was a bit of a one-off, far too many people on stage so it didn't work for me. I don't feel it was representative of the band (such as they are). I also saw them at Guildford, and I enjoyed them lot more there, with a more simple line-up. If you like the sort of sound HW had on stuff like Master of the Universe from Text of Festival you will like SpaceRitual.net. They're primitive, limited and just play the same half a dozen numbers (Master, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Orgone, DRider, Born To Go is the "newie"!) but if you're up for that and don't have to travel too far to see them then definitely do it. Think of it as a fun night down the pub with a HW tribute band. Something to keep us occupied until the real thing come around again in the Spring. AL --- Steve Youles wrote: > Hi Gerald > > Review of Space Ritual.net's 8th Nov gig at the Mean > Fiddler: > > http://www.starfarer.net/greasy_truckers.html > > This was concocted from 4 separate reviews by HW > fans who attended the gig > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 16:26:22 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:26:22 +0000 Subject: Confirmation In-Reply-To: <002401c2a60b$1f8e8480$edb53318@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these ripoffs, shown here - http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html In The Beginning is included. Hope this helps. AL --- stephe lindas wrote: > Just found a copy of In The Beginning for $5 so I > picked it up. Didn't expect anything I don't already > have. Looking at it now it almost looks like the > Text of Festival(cd version). Other than changing > the titles a little. Can anyone confirm this is the > exact same thing? Its still sealed and I don't need > to unwrap it, if it is. Thank you, Cheers Stephe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Dec 17 16:38:15 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:38:15 -0500 Subject: Confirmation Message-ID: HI ALAN, Thank you. Nice info Steve. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Linsley" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Confirmation > Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these > ripoffs, shown here - > > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html > > In The Beginning is included. Hope this helps. > > AL > --- stephe lindas wrote: > > Just found a copy of In The Beginning for $5 so I > > picked it up. Didn't expect anything I don't already > > have. Looking at it now it almost looks like the > > Text of Festival(cd version). Other than changing > > the titles a little. Can anyone confirm this is the > > exact same thing? Its still sealed and I don't need > > to unwrap it, if it is. Thank you, Cheers Stephe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Dec 17 16:40:23 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:40:23 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: Anyone have any idea why ".net" has been added to the end of "Space Ritual"? - To me it ruins a good name for a band. Not that I'll be going to see them anytime soon. Also I saw an advert in last week's NME for a drummer for a band consisting of ex HW and ICU members - Inner City Hawks maybe... These I would be tempted to see. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 16:49:08 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:49:08 +0000 Subject: Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <20021217213921.IMQA876.wmpmta03-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Message-ID: --- Mick Crook wrote: > Anyone have any idea why ".net" has been added to > the end of "Space Ritual"? - To me it ruins a good > name for a band. I imagine it's Hewitts idea of saving on advertising - why have a name AND an email address when you can do both at the same time? Bit tacky if you ask me but the name changes every year anyway so just hang on for the next courtcase and it'll be www.Brainstorm.com or www.HONKHONKPHWEEEARRRPetc.co.uk or... > Also I saw an advert in last week's NME for a > drummer for a band consisting of ex HW and ICU > members - Inner City Hawks maybe... These I would be > tempted to see. The drummer situation in ICH didn't sound too permanent so this NME ad doesn't surprise me. I think Judge Trev said that Terry Ollis wouldn't play with him and Ron coz they were too fast. Sounds great! AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Dec 17 17:25:36 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:25:36 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: What about Ginger Baker? He's not doing much lately. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Linsley" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Space Ritual > --- Mick Crook wrote: > Anyone > have any idea why ".net" has been added to > > the end of "Space Ritual"? - To me it ruins a good > > name for a band. > > I imagine it's Hewitts idea of saving on advertising - > why have a name AND an email address when you can do > both at the same time? Bit tacky if you ask me but > the name changes every year anyway so just hang on for > the next courtcase and it'll be www.Brainstorm.com or > www.HONKHONKPHWEEEARRRPetc.co.uk or... > > > Also I saw an advert in last week's NME for a > > drummer for a band consisting of ex HW and ICU > > members - Inner City Hawks maybe... These I would be > > tempted to see. > > The drummer situation in ICH didn't sound too > permanent so this NME ad doesn't surprise me. I think > Judge Trev said that Terry Ollis wouldn't play with > him and Ron coz they were too fast. Sounds great! > > AL > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 16:12:02 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:12:02 -0000 Subject: Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <20021217210553.42069.qmail@web80307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Couldn't agree more. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Linsley Sent: 17 December 2002 21:06 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Space Ritual Gerald The Mean Fiddler gig was a bit of a one-off, far too many people on stage so it didn't work for me. I don't feel it was representative of the band (such as they are). I also saw them at Guildford, and I enjoyed them lot more there, with a more simple line-up. If you like the sort of sound HW had on stuff like Master of the Universe from Text of Festival you will like SpaceRitual.net. They're primitive, limited and just play the same half a dozen numbers (Master, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Orgone, DRider, Born To Go is the "newie"!) but if you're up for that and don't have to travel too far to see them then definitely do it. Think of it as a fun night down the pub with a HW tribute band. Something to keep us occupied until the real thing come around again in the Spring. AL --- Steve Youles wrote: > Hi Gerald > > Review of Space Ritual.net's 8th Nov gig at the Mean > Fiddler: > > http://www.starfarer.net/greasy_truckers.html > > This was concocted from 4 separate reviews by HW > fans who attended the gig > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 17:47:58 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:47:58 -0000 Subject: Mission Control IRC chat Message-ID: What's the score with the chat room these days? Always seems empty. For those who don't yet know you need to get mirc from http://www.mirc.co.uk/get.html Once you've installed it just log onto the #hawkwind.org.uk channel. Cheers. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Dec 17 17:31:25 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:31:25 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: The One Eyed Bishops: Additional London gig added: 1/14 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops will appear at Mau Mau,265 Portobello Rd; Notting Hill, London, Tuesday, January 14th at approximately 7:30 PM. This is a proper gig and will include a full length set, however it is a much smaller venue than The Catch, where we will be playing the following night. Mau Mau holds about 50-60, and The Catch roughly 150-200. See our website for details of our other London gigs, 1/12 & 1/15. nearest tube/rail to Mau Mau: ladbroke/notting hill venue Phone# 020 7729 8528 From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Dec 17 20:54:32 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:54:32 -0500 Subject: M. Blackman Please sign in Message-ID: Hey Michael, Your emails are bouncing. Did you receive the discs? Sorry group.... D np: Iron Maiden Donnington '88 From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Dec 18 00:43:32 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:43:32 -0600 Subject: Yuri etc... Message-ID: From: "Alan Linsley" > Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these > ripoffs, shown here - > > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html OK, if this list is complete, then here's what I've bought over the years: Space Ritual 2 -- I've bought four different variations on this (a total of four purchases). Yuri Gagarin -- I've bought four different variations on this, one 2x purchased (a total of five purchases) Text of Festival -- I've bought this only three times actually, all different versions (a total of three purchases) So that's 12 times I've bought this stuff, and I don't particularly like any of these. Space Ritual 2 is essential, but I certainly didn't need this many of them. Text of Festival is fine, but I'm still waiting for the complete setlist (which is only available on vinyl). So don't buy that yet. And Yuri is terrible -- the worst money you can spend on Hawkwind will be buying Yuri. But it's cool to hear Bob doing some of those spoken pieces, so it's a must have for a Hawkwind enthusiast. But when you spend your cash on this, you'll feel ripped off and cheated. Too bad I can't advise you to steal it. Too bad it won't help if I offer to pirate a copy for anybody interested. Too bad Nik didn't just hand these tapes out freely to the tape trading fans in the first place, and maybe Dave Anderson would not have got a copy and started this royal mess which must be a terrific pain in the butt for the Hawkwind organization. A tape like this should be traded (only amongst diehard fans) -- it has no business being released as a legitimate album. Bottom line -- don't buy these. I've spent more than I should have already, and I'm sure lots of Hawkwind fans are the same. And I'm not stupid, I knew I was getting the same thing. But I had cash in pocket, and that's all I could find at the time (and it's rare to find Hawkwind here in the remote areas of Canada, so if I get to the city one time per year and find a Hawkwind title, I always seem to snap it up). And let's not even get started on the "Acid Daze" stuff, which I've got multiple permutations of... So let's all do the band a favor and "just say no" to buying any more of these. That's the only way they're going to go away, and once they disappear the back catalog won't look so crowded and devalued for the Hawkwind mothership proper. Bryan From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 02:36:52 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:36:52 -0000 Subject: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <011f01c2a658$67f4e230$3874a58e@HawkPlanet> Message-ID: I just bought this 3 cd set called Cosmic Overdrive and features: Brixton 30-12-72 Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 It's very nicely packaged in a limited edition of 3000 and cost ?10.99. Does anyone know if these concerts have been released elsewhere? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: 18 December 2002 05:44 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Yuri etc... From: "Alan Linsley" > Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these > ripoffs, shown here - > > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html OK, if this list is complete, then here's what I've bought over the years: Space Ritual 2 -- I've bought four different variations on this (a total of four purchases). Yuri Gagarin -- I've bought four different variations on this, one 2x purchased (a total of five purchases) Text of Festival -- I've bought this only three times actually, all different versions (a total of three purchases) So that's 12 times I've bought this stuff, and I don't particularly like any of these. Space Ritual 2 is essential, but I certainly didn't need this many of them. Text of Festival is fine, but I'm still waiting for the complete setlist (which is only available on vinyl). So don't buy that yet. And Yuri is terrible -- the worst money you can spend on Hawkwind will be buying Yuri. But it's cool to hear Bob doing some of those spoken pieces, so it's a must have for a Hawkwind enthusiast. But when you spend your cash on this, you'll feel ripped off and cheated. Too bad I can't advise you to steal it. Too bad it won't help if I offer to pirate a copy for anybody interested. Too bad Nik didn't just hand these tapes out freely to the tape trading fans in the first place, and maybe Dave Anderson would not have got a copy and started this royal mess which must be a terrific pain in the butt for the Hawkwind organization. A tape like this should be traded (only amongst diehard fans) -- it has no business being released as a legitimate album. Bottom line -- don't buy these. I've spent more than I should have already, and I'm sure lots of Hawkwind fans are the same. And I'm not stupid, I knew I was getting the same thing. But I had cash in pocket, and that's all I could find at the time (and it's rare to find Hawkwind here in the remote areas of Canada, so if I get to the city one time per year and find a Hawkwind title, I always seem to snap it up). And let's not even get started on the "Acid Daze" stuff, which I've got multiple permutations of... So let's all do the band a favor and "just say no" to buying any more of these. That's the only way they're going to go away, and once they disappear the back catalog won't look so crowded and devalued for the Hawkwind mothership proper. Bryan From micci at SCI.FI Wed Dec 18 03:23:19 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:23:19 +0200 Subject: HW: poll Message-ID: Vote for the best Prog/Space Rock band. http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 04:34:54 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:04:54 +1030 Subject: FRIDAY 13TH Message-ID: > > How was the stuff ;-) Great, if you can now send Kylie remix vol 4 we > will have a complete set. O-k....... > > Like finding your copy of Warrior is really a mispress (sic) > > Love G&A > maybe From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 04:35:48 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:05:48 +1030 Subject: FRIDAY 13TH Message-ID: I was thinking more of the singed anal hairs and the smell. Unlucky for all concerned ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: FRIDAY 13TH > Michael Blackman writes: > > > How was the stuff ;-) > > > > Friday the 13th is only unlucky if you think it is. Any day could be > > unlucky if enough focus was directed on it. Even more so when alot of > > people are all feeling that way. > > > > Unlucky is lighting your farts with a match to amuse the other travellers on > > the Hindenburg or something similar. > > It's an error to believe that the Hindenburg was primarily downed by > burning hydrogen. The flame was orange, not blue. It's likely that it > was downed by a spark from a buildup of static discharge earthing on the > pylon or ground through a tether. This lit the paint lining on the > balloon, which rather unfortunately was made out of stuff we now use as > rocket fuel. That does burn with an orange flame. > > Of course the hydrogen got going a little later, but it looks like it > wasn't the primary problem. > > Seems to me that the engineering message to take home is not to paint > aircraft with rocket fuel. > > Of course now we fill them with helium instead of hydrogen too. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 04:58:12 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:28:12 +1030 Subject: Mission Control IRC chat Message-ID: I'm either getting slack or lazy or both. In my part of the world noone ever showed up untill like 4 or 5 in the morning. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: Mission Control IRC chat > What's the score with the chat room these days? Always seems empty. > > For those who don't yet know you need to get mirc from > http://www.mirc.co.uk/get.html > > Once you've installed it just log onto the #hawkwind.org.uk channel. > > > Cheers. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 05:02:46 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:32:46 +1030 Subject: M. Blackman Please sign in Message-ID: Hi D, Not yet. But theres always tomorrow. :) This was the Arthur Brown gear, right? Sorry the brain strains some days. Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: DRider To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: M. Blackman Please sign in > Hey Michael, > > Your emails are bouncing. > > Did you receive the discs? > > Sorry group.... > > D > > np: Iron Maiden Donnington '88 From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 05:07:02 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:37:02 +1030 Subject: HW: poll Message-ID: Good to see Hawkwind still in the lead. But Ozrics is catching up. ----- Original Message ----- From: Miikka Wagner To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: HW: poll > Vote for the best Prog/Space Rock band. > > http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 05:09:45 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:39:45 +1030 Subject: HW: poll Message-ID: There are some incredibly cool posters available from this web site. I know the Hwakwind poster is very cool cause I bought it a while back and it is now framed behind glass. ----- Original Message ----- From: Miikka Wagner To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: HW: poll > Vote for the best Prog/Space Rock band. > > http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 18 07:02:18 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:02:18 GMT Subject: HW: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Captain Bl@ck's message of Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:10:43 -0000 Message-ID: Captain Bl at ck writes: > Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. > I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording > and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the > sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an > analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between > the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, > the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. What we need is a way for someone to confirm that the CD has been bought and paid for legitimately. Presumably Andy G would be willing to confirm from his lists? Would Voiceprint? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 18 07:04:16 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:04:16 GMT Subject: Confirmation In-Reply-To: stephe lindas's message of Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: stephe lindas writes: > Just found a copy of In The Beginning for $5 so I picked it up. Didn't = > expect anything I don't already have. Looking at it now it almost looks = > like the Text of Festival(cd version). Other than changing the titles a = > little. Can anyone confirm this is the exact same thing? Its still = > sealed and I don't need to unwrap it, if it is. Thank you, Cheers Stephe It's the first half of Text of Festival and was later released renamed as a 4th "Master of the Universe" CD. FoFP From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 07:17:23 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:47:23 +1030 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: This is an interesting idea. It would certainly seem unfair for someone to have to buy an extra disc. With official approval and verification I would consider helping out here - depending on the quantity of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > Captain Bl at ck writes: > > > Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. > > > I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording > > and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the > > sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an > > analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between > > the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, > > the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. > > Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to > assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, > it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've > already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. > > What we need is a way for someone to confirm that the CD has been bought > and paid for legitimately. Presumably Andy G would be willing to confirm > from his lists? Would Voiceprint? > > FoFP > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Dec 18 11:04:42 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:04:42 -0500 Subject: Yuri etc... Message-ID: Wouldn't this be, Space Ritual Vol2, Yuri KAKA and Early daze? I think they've been released before. Codename HW 2000 and Tales from the Darkside are the same ones I think. Best versions in my opinion. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Yuri etc... I just bought this 3 cd set called Cosmic Overdrive and features: Brixton 30-12-72 Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 It's very nicely packaged in a limited edition of 3000 and cost ?10.99. Does anyone know if these concerts have been released elsewhere? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: 18 December 2002 05:44 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Yuri etc... From: "Alan Linsley" > Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these > ripoffs, shown here - > > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html OK, if this list is complete, then here's what I've bought over the years: Space Ritual 2 -- I've bought four different variations on this (a total of four purchases). Yuri Gagarin -- I've bought four different variations on this, one 2x purchased (a total of five purchases) Text of Festival -- I've bought this only three times actually, all different versions (a total of three purchases) So that's 12 times I've bought this stuff, and I don't particularly like any of these. Space Ritual 2 is essential, but I certainly didn't need this many of them. Text of Festival is fine, but I'm still waiting for the complete setlist (which is only available on vinyl). So don't buy that yet. And Yuri is terrible -- the worst money you can spend on Hawkwind will be buying Yuri. But it's cool to hear Bob doing some of those spoken pieces, so it's a must have for a Hawkwind enthusiast. But when you spend your cash on this, you'll feel ripped off and cheated. Too bad I can't advise you to steal it. Too bad it won't help if I offer to pirate a copy for anybody interested. Too bad Nik didn't just hand these tapes out freely to the tape trading fans in the first place, and maybe Dave Anderson would not have got a copy and started this royal mess which must be a terrific pain in the butt for the Hawkwind organization. A tape like this should be traded (only amongst diehard fans) -- it has no business being released as a legitimate album. Bottom line -- don't buy these. I've spent more than I should have already, and I'm sure lots of Hawkwind fans are the same. And I'm not stupid, I knew I was getting the same thing. But I had cash in pocket, and that's all I could find at the time (and it's rare to find Hawkwind here in the remote areas of Canada, so if I get to the city one time per year and find a Hawkwind title, I always seem to snap it up). And let's not even get started on the "Acid Daze" stuff, which I've got multiple permutations of... So let's all do the band a favor and "just say no" to buying any more of these. That's the only way they're going to go away, and once they disappear the back catalog won't look so crowded and devalued for the Hawkwind mothership proper. Bryan From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 18 12:01:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:01:15 GMT Subject: Night of the Hawk in Falkirk Message-ID: Seems that local Hawkwind cover band "Brighawk" are to play at the xmas party of pub "The Martell" in Falkirk on Sunday 22nd. How about the Scottish Hawkcrew going along to give some support? Perhaps our local correspondent could give location of the pub and times? If anyone knows bus/train times to/from Edinburgh and Glasgow, those could be useful too... FoFP From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 18 13:03:21 2002 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:03:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Captain Bl at ck wrote: > However, I have a feeling you won't have this problem with the Canterbury > CD, folks... > > Captain Bl at ck. > But there?s a different problem: at the very end of Levitation there?s some very heavy ugly distortion on my disc. Apart from that it?s an excellent sounding record. And Yule Ritual sounds exactly like the concert - the bass was really that heavy then! Andreas From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 18 14:49:59 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:49:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:36:52 -0000, Ben Fagin wrote: >I just bought this 3 cd set called Cosmic Overdrive and features: > >Brixton 30-12-72 ... this is 'Space Ritual 2' >Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 ... that doesn't sound correct, what's the track listing? I would assume that this is 'Text Of Festival', which was recorded at Maida Vale Studios and the London Playhouse Theater 70/71. >Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 ... this is 'Yuri Gagarin' -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at COX.NET Wed Dec 18 14:44:55 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:44:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: <18OiXR-1741aLC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: I don't believe in the "Two CD Theory" but rather I feel it boils down to this: obviously someone (multiple someones, actually) thought the recording was acceptable to release. To me, then, it follows that some listeners would also find it perfectly acceptable. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andreas Stuewe > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:03 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > > > Captain Bl at ck wrote: > > > However, I have a feeling you won't have this problem with the > Canterbury > > CD, folks... > > > > Captain Bl at ck. > > > > But there?s a different problem: at the very end of Levitation > there?s some > very heavy ugly distortion on my disc. Apart from that it?s an excellent > sounding record. > > And Yule Ritual sounds exactly like the concert - the bass was > really that heavy > then! > > Andreas From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 14:58:54 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:58:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <200212181949.OAA25317@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: --- Doug Pearson wrote: > On > > >Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 > > ... this is 'Yuri Gagarin' ...And is of course 1973 not 1972. AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Wed Dec 18 15:03:00 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:03:00 +1300 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: If you wish to track the various reissues that comprise 'Cosmic Overdrive' go to: http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html This site details the original album release title, then its mutations. David Howard From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 15:30:12 2002 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:30:12 -0000 Subject: Yule Bass In-Reply-To: <006c01c2a60b$486f4ce0$3240883e@jezd> Message-ID: Good evening I was just thinking in a nontechnical sort of way the distinctive bass sound of Yule Ritual is similar in sound to the Bedouin Cd as above so Below which I quite like is there any connection? Brian -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Jez Dacombe Sent: 17 December 2002 08:30 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Yule Bass Hi, I've never had any problems whatsoever with the bass on these CDs. Admittedly, the sound is quite distinctive, but when I first played it years ago, my thoughts were "excellent sound". It may well not be the true sound, but it certainly sounds OK to me. In fact, to be honest, I thought the bass was a huge factor in my loving of the CD. Maybe it says more about my Hi-Fi than the CD? Jez From dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 15:34:51 2002 From: dr_technical at MCMAHON66.FSNET.CO.UK (Dr _ Technical) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:34:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: I'll see what it sounds like with a Nero 'bass cut'CDR. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 18:41:45 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:11:45 +1030 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: I haven't heard this yet - as far as I'm aware coz I wan't there. But I have to say that I think the sound you are describing can be VERY space rock indeed. Very trippy. Thats not to say that all "techno-trancey" musicians would land in the space rock arena. When you listen to those sounds it is still Hawkwind and space rock but with the latest electronics etc. Why not use it. I would and will. Still - you gotta keep a balance with the guitars and drums. And Hawkwind do that very well indeed. But then I am a guitar player so I am somewhat biased :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr _ Technical To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brighton > 'Even more surprising was the new mid-section in Hassan I > Sabbah, with all manner of programmed drum wizardry taking it into > trance techno territory- maybe not everyone's taste but I loved it.' > > If my memory is correct, the techno drum thingy sounded very much like > Forge of Vulcan (Manchester) - anyone agree? > From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 18:52:36 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:52:36 -0000 Subject: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <00b301c2a6af$2d7c8ca0$edb53318@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Silly me, sucked in by commercial consumerism, I had all those albums already. Cheers Stephe! :) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of stephe lindas Sent: 18 December 2002 16:05 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Yuri etc... Wouldn't this be, Space Ritual Vol2, Yuri KAKA and Early daze? I think they've been released before. Codename HW 2000 and Tales from the Darkside are the same ones I think. Best versions in my opinion. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Yuri etc... I just bought this 3 cd set called Cosmic Overdrive and features: Brixton 30-12-72 Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 It's very nicely packaged in a limited edition of 3000 and cost ?10.99. Does anyone know if these concerts have been released elsewhere? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryan Young Sent: 18 December 2002 05:44 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Yuri etc... From: "Alan Linsley" > Starfarer has done a pretty good guide to these > ripoffs, shown here - > > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html OK, if this list is complete, then here's what I've bought over the years: Space Ritual 2 -- I've bought four different variations on this (a total of four purchases). Yuri Gagarin -- I've bought four different variations on this, one 2x purchased (a total of five purchases) Text of Festival -- I've bought this only three times actually, all different versions (a total of three purchases) So that's 12 times I've bought this stuff, and I don't particularly like any of these. Space Ritual 2 is essential, but I certainly didn't need this many of them. Text of Festival is fine, but I'm still waiting for the complete setlist (which is only available on vinyl). So don't buy that yet. And Yuri is terrible -- the worst money you can spend on Hawkwind will be buying Yuri. But it's cool to hear Bob doing some of those spoken pieces, so it's a must have for a Hawkwind enthusiast. But when you spend your cash on this, you'll feel ripped off and cheated. Too bad I can't advise you to steal it. Too bad it won't help if I offer to pirate a copy for anybody interested. Too bad Nik didn't just hand these tapes out freely to the tape trading fans in the first place, and maybe Dave Anderson would not have got a copy and started this royal mess which must be a terrific pain in the butt for the Hawkwind organization. A tape like this should be traded (only amongst diehard fans) -- it has no business being released as a legitimate album. Bottom line -- don't buy these. I've spent more than I should have already, and I'm sure lots of Hawkwind fans are the same. And I'm not stupid, I knew I was getting the same thing. But I had cash in pocket, and that's all I could find at the time (and it's rare to find Hawkwind here in the remote areas of Canada, so if I get to the city one time per year and find a Hawkwind title, I always seem to snap it up). And let's not even get started on the "Acid Daze" stuff, which I've got multiple permutations of... So let's all do the band a favor and "just say no" to buying any more of these. That's the only way they're going to go away, and once they disappear the back catalog won't look so crowded and devalued for the Hawkwind mothership proper. Bryan From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 19:08:19 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:08:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <200212181949.OAA25317@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Motu You know youre only dreaming You shouldn't do that Hurry on sundown Paranoia See it as you really are I do it Came home >Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Thanks. ... that doesn't sound correct, what's the track listing? I would assume that this is 'Text Of Festival', which was recorded at Maida Vale Studios and the London Playhouse Theater 70/71. >Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 ... this is 'Yuri Gagarin' -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 19:13:01 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:13:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <20021218195854.75836.qmail@web80302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well Well, mistakes abound! I wish they'd stop releasing this stuff, more damaging than the bootlegs imo. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Linsley Sent: 18 December 2002 19:59 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... --- Doug Pearson wrote: > On > > >Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 > > ... this is 'Yuri Gagarin' ...And is of course 1973 not 1972. AL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 19:28:15 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:58:15 +1030 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: I believe it is mr anderson who releases this one. Am I correct? (he humbly asks the wise ones) bring forward the head of d anderson perhaps? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Fagin To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > Well Well, mistakes abound! > > I wish they'd stop releasing this stuff, more damaging than the bootlegs > imo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > Behalf Of Alan Linsley > Sent: 18 December 2002 19:59 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > > --- Doug Pearson wrote: > On > > > > >Wembley Empire Pool 27th May 1972 > > > > ... this is 'Yuri Gagarin' > > > ...And is of course 1973 not 1972. > > AL > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 20:13:49 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:43:49 +1030 Subject: assasins of silence - cover band Message-ID: Cool :) http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/ ((big sigh.....)) Now if I could just find some enthusistic fans in my area who are also wanting to form a cover band for the fun of playing the songs............... From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 18 20:22:00 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:22:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:08:19 -0000, Ben Fagin wrote: >Motu >You know youre only dreaming >You shouldn't do that >Hurry on sundown >Paranoia >See it as you really are >I do it >Came home > >>Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Yes, that's the tracklist for the first LP of 'Text Of Festival', which was NOT recorded in 1972. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 18 21:25:20 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:25:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... In-Reply-To: <200212190122.UAA27534@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for your help but what a bloody nuisance, I have now bought these 3 cds 4 times. Dave Anderson is really asking for it! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: 19 December 2002 01:22 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:08:19 -0000, Ben Fagin wrote: >Motu >You know youre only dreaming >You shouldn't do that >Hurry on sundown >Paranoia >See it as you really are >I do it >Came home > >>Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 Yes, that's the tracklist for the first LP of 'Text Of Festival', which was NOT recorded in 1972. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From info at RELEVENTS.ORG Wed Dec 18 21:35:14 2002 From: info at RELEVENTS.ORG (David Howard & Kim Pieters) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:35:14 +1300 Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson Message-ID: Here in New Zealand it is easy to be complacent; we are of zero strategic significance (unless the Japanese decide that penguins are a restaurant delicacy), have a modest and dignified Islamic population, a long-standing and popular non-nuclear policy, and the worst that can be said of us is that we excel in the mediocre. We're temperamentally laid-back, however my own easy-go attitude was tested by Dave Anderson's re-release policy. Before locating the reference sites on the web which trace the origin of DemiMonde releases, I squandered money on no less than seven CDs (including two multiple sets) only to find that I already possessed the material - material which should, in any case, never have been released. Now I am more suspicious of purchasing 'new' Hawkwind releases than I am of a politician's statements on terrorism. The recent squabble between Dave Brock and Nick Turner might have caused a mild sense of regret but beyond this sentiemntal response it cost me nothing, nor was my regard for the parties permanently undermined. Not so with Dave Anderson's operation: the thought that Nick will stand on the same stage as this freeloader makes me shake my head; if either Nick or Dave Brock provided his sonic circus with material shame on them. The reputation of Hawkwind has suffered far more from the availability of this substandard material than the odd performance by Space Ritual.com-nee X-Hawkwind. Perhaps, now they're talking courteously to one another, Hawkwind and Space Ritual might join forces to legally prevent the circulation of this material or, as this course is probably impossible, they might like to publicly disown Dave Anderson's family of mutant albums in press releases and on their respective websites? After all, as the painter Robert Motherwell noted, 'the artist's medium is his conscience and his collaborator.' David Howard From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 18 23:38:09 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:08:09 +1030 Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: David Howard & Kim Pieters To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson > Here in New Zealand it is easy to be complacent; we are of zero strategic > significance (unless the Japanese decide that penguins are a restaurant > delicacy), have a modest and dignified Islamic population, a long-standing > and popular non-nuclear policy, and the worst that can be said of us is that > we excel in the mediocre. It seems New Zealanders never learned to pronounce vowels errrm priporly oithir. But thats ok g'day From wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET Thu Dec 19 05:28:39 2002 From: wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:28:39 -0800 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier vocals, redux Message-ID: A few weeks ago I posted a question asking whether anyone had seen Allen doing vocals at concerts. I just got the Long Day's Night DVD and it seems to answer my question, as Allen can clearly be seen doing backing vocals during Godzilla and Reaper. Maybe in other songs too, but I wasn't looking closely. During Godzilla he shares a mic with Danny, doing the 'oh no, there goes Tokyo' parts, though at one point he has the mic to himself while Danny is off to one side, and on Reaper he's up on the keyboard stand doing the 'la la la' and the 'dont fear the reaper' backing parts. But.... did nobody ever tell him how important it was to brush his teeth?? Boy oh boy. Warrick Bell From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 19 06:13:34 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:13:34 EDT Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier vocals, redux In-Reply-To: <16113515608.20021219022839@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: On 19 Dec 2002 at 2:28, Warrick Bell wrote: > But.... did nobody ever tell him how important it was to brush his > teeth?? Boy oh boy. > They probably told him that smoking would 'stunt his growth' too, but he's the tallest guy in the band! And did anyone else think that EB got some kind of hair replacement/enhancement for the video? Maybe he just let it grow a bit--looks great, but last month he was back to the minimalist buzz-cut... theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Dec 19 12:41:52 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:41:52 -0500 Subject: assasins of silence - cover band In-Reply-To: <011c01c2a6fb$e3739480$76cd223f@studio>; from michael_1968@OZEMAIL.COM.AU on Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:43:49AM +1030 Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:43:49AM +1030, Michael Blackman wrote: > Cool :) > http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/ Great quote from their site: > [...] our sound and approach are rooted in the "Space Ritual" > period - loose, open-ended jamming, without a safety-net. We > know where we are right now, and we know where we're heading, > but the route we take depends on the scenery. Doesn't that just say it all? > ((big sigh.....)) Yeah. > Now if I could just find some enthusistic fans in my area who > are also wanting to form a cover band for the fun of playing > the songs............... Me too. Not that I could be *in* such a band, but I'd sure be happy to light them :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 19 12:44:29 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:44:29 -0000 Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson Message-ID: > nothing, nor was my regard for the parties permanently undermined. Not so > with Dave Anderson's operation: the thought that Nick will stand on the same > stage as this freeloader makes me shake my head; if either Nick or Dave I believe certain members of ICU were les than impressed to be sharing a bill with Dave Anderson at last year's Astoria Greasy Truckers' bash. From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Dec 19 12:57:50 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:27:50 +1030 Subject: assasins of silence - cover band Message-ID: If you happen to be in adelaide on new years eve you are welcome to party (and work the lights) for my little band that does a few hawkwind songs amongst others. I described my experience of a Hawkwind light show to my drummer and he has organised to hire an impressive light show for his large shed for when we play. Im looking forward to hearing some samples on the sonic assasins web page when they are available. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Siegerman To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:11 AM Subject: Re: assasins of silence - cover band > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:43:49AM +1030, Michael Blackman wrote: > > Cool :) > > http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/ > > Great quote from their site: > > [...] our sound and approach are rooted in the "Space Ritual" > > period - loose, open-ended jamming, without a safety-net. We > > know where we are right now, and we know where we're heading, > > but the route we take depends on the scenery. > > Doesn't that just say it all? > > > ((big sigh.....)) > > Yeah. > > > Now if I could just find some enthusistic fans in my area who > > are also wanting to form a cover band for the fun of playing > > the songs............... > > Me too. Not that I could be *in* such a band, but I'd sure be > happy to light them :-) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. > - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Dec 19 13:58:07 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:58:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: Indeed, I saw this CD in a record store in Barnstaple two days ago. But this begs a question; What sort of deal does he have that gets these things into the stores when Voiceprint can't? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Fagin" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > Thanks for your help but what a bloody nuisance, I have now bought these > 3 cds 4 times. Dave Anderson is really asking for it! > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: 19 December 2002 01:22 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:08:19 -0000, Ben Fagin > wrote: > >Motu > >You know youre only dreaming > >You shouldn't do that > >Hurry on sundown > >Paranoia > >See it as you really are > >I do it > >Came home > > > >>Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 > > Yes, that's the tracklist for the first LP of 'Text Of Festival', which > was > NOT recorded in 1972. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Dec 19 13:59:02 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:59:02 -0000 Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson Message-ID: That seems somewhat far fetched in light of the recent Ozit 'press release' statement that Dave Anderson is now the bass player for spaceritual.net. > Perhaps, now they're talking courteously to one another, Hawkwind and Space > Ritual might join forces to legally prevent the circulation of this material > or, as this course is probably impossible, they might like to publicly > disown Dave Anderson's family of mutant albums in press releases and on > their respective websites? After all, as the painter Robert Motherwell > noted, 'the artist's medium is his conscience and his collaborator.' > > David Howard From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Dec 19 14:00:34 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:00:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: This is true - it may be bass heavy and not sonically acurate but it is quite listenable on my system at least. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual I don't believe in the "Two CD Theory" but rather I feel it boils down to this: obviously someone (multiple someones, actually) thought the recording was acceptable to release. To me, then, it follows that some listeners would also find it perfectly acceptable. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andreas Stuewe > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:03 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > > > Captain Bl at ck wrote: > > > However, I have a feeling you won't have this problem with the > Canterbury > > CD, folks... > > > > Captain Bl at ck. > > > > But there?s a different problem: at the very end of Levitation > there?s some > very heavy ugly distortion on my disc. Apart from that it?s an excellent > sounding record. > > And Yule Ritual sounds exactly like the concert - the bass was > really that heavy > then! > > Andreas From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Dec 19 14:01:24 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:01:24 -0000 Subject: Yule Bass Message-ID: Only in terms in that both sounds were played by the same person on the same bass and amp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Yule Bass > Good evening > I was just thinking in a nontechnical sort of way the > distinctive bass sound of Yule Ritual is similar in sound to the Bedouin > Cd as above so Below which I quite like is there any connection? > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jez Dacombe > Sent: 17 December 2002 08:30 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Yule Bass > > > Hi, > I've never had any problems whatsoever with the bass on these CDs. > Admittedly, the sound is quite distinctive, but when I first played it > years ago, my thoughts were "excellent sound". It may well not be the > true sound, but it certainly sounds OK to me. In fact, to be honest, I > thought the bass was a huge factor in my loving of the CD. Maybe it says > more about my Hi-Fi than the CD? Jez From alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 15:20:01 2002 From: alankerren at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Linsley?=) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:20:01 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Re: Passport Message-ID: Folks Just wanted to point out that, following the attached post, my Passport arrived 2 days ago. Shame it was too late for the tour, I'll just have to do even more gigs on the Spring Tour to make up for it. Bummer huh? :-) So a big thank-you to whoever-it-was who got things moving on this. For others like D-Rider who are still waiting, don't give up! Cheers AL --- Alan Linsley wrote: > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:21:36 +0000 > From: Alan Linsley > Subject: Re: Passport > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > I too have been waiting for a HW Passport. Since > August/September-ish I think. And I live in > Bristol, > just up the M5 from the band! > > So at the Hanley gig I asked Kris what on earth was > going on with the passports. She recommended I > contact Captain Black via this list, or at least his > partner "Tone" who processes Passport applications. > So, if you're out there Passport Tone - can I and > all > the others who have been clearly been waiting a > while > please have an update? > > Thanks > > AL > > --- Richard Lockwood > wrote: > Agreed. > No, they don't. I sent away for mine some > > two/three years ago - > > whenever the idea was raised, and never got cunt > all > > back. > > > > Still, that's Hawkwind for you. > > > > Love 'em or hate 'em, you'd never accuse them of > > being predictable. > > > > *sigh* > > > > See you all at Walthamstow. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > Yes Be Patient :-) > > > > > > If they've been preparing for a tour, rehearsing > > etc, and now on tour, > > it's bound to slow things down. The band don't > have > > an army of admin > > personnel. > > > > > > So I would wait a little longer, it will come. > > > > > > Rich W > > > > > > > > > > HELLO AND HELP!! I HAVE JUST JOINED YOUR > AUGUST > > GROUP AND START BY > > ASKING > > > > FOR HELP. 4 WEEKS AGO I APPLIED FOR A HAWKWIND > > PASSPORT. HAVING NOT > > RECEIVED > > > > IT I WROTE AGAIN 8 DAYS AGO BUT STILL NO > REPLY. > > ADDRESS I USED WAS PO > > BOX28 > > > > HONITON ETC. ANY IDEAS SOLUTIONS ADVICE ETC > > WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 16:34:27 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:34:27 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind Message-ID: I have to say I entirely agree with Frank on this one. The legal system sees no subtleties or niceties of argument once a decision has been made and if you are instructed to do something then that's it: - nor all our piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line - nor all our tears wash out a word of it ! I suspect that is the reason behind this post but doubtless we shall hear more in due course. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Weil" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind > >From: Andrew Garibaldi > > >It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete inability to > >(or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a > >counterfeiter/pirater > I agree with this, and I want to add something from a different perspective. > DISCLAIMER: I have *no* inside information to the band's reasonings, so do not read > too much into the rest of this message! > > It is often the case that business decisions are made from the perspective of what > is required to have a legal footing in a sometimes-seemingly-unrelated matter. I am > not very familiar with English law, but at least in America we have a legal system, > not a justice system. (The legal system would like to have you believe that they are > the same thing, but they are not.) The legal system says that certain conditions > have to be met in order to pursue a legal action. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 16:48:29 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:48:29 -0000 Subject: Getting heady with Dave Anderson Message-ID: He'll probably last a few months before pissing off the rest of the band by arriving at gigs in his sports car while the rest of the band travel the country in a manky old van. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Getting heady with Dave Anderson > That seems somewhat far fetched in light of the recent Ozit 'press release' > statement that Dave Anderson is now the bass player for spaceritual.net. > > > > Perhaps, now they're talking courteously to one another, Hawkwind and > Space > > Ritual might join forces to legally prevent the circulation of this > material > > or, as this course is probably impossible, they might like to publicly > > disown Dave Anderson's family of mutant albums in press releases and on > > their respective websites? After all, as the painter Robert Motherwell > > noted, 'the artist's medium is his conscience and his collaborator.' > > > > David Howard > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 16:50:12 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:50:12 -0000 Subject: Yule Bass Message-ID: From: "Captain Bl at ck" wrote Only in terms in that both sounds were played by the same person on the same bass and amp. ......at the same time? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: Yule Bass > > > > Good evening > > I was just thinking in a nontechnical sort of way the > > distinctive bass sound of Yule Ritual is similar in sound to the Bedouin > > Cd as above so Below which I quite like is there any connection? > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Jez Dacombe > > Sent: 17 December 2002 08:30 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Yule Bass > > > > > > Hi, > > I've never had any problems whatsoever with the bass on these CDs. > > Admittedly, the sound is quite distinctive, but when I first played it > > years ago, my thoughts were "excellent sound". It may well not be the > > true sound, but it certainly sounds OK to me. In fact, to be honest, I > > thought the bass was a huge factor in my loving of the CD. Maybe it says > > more about my Hi-Fi than the CD? Jez > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 17:14:01 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:14:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow Review Message-ID: Phew - 5 days and 481 emails later! I guess I'm the last to get back. Firstly greetings and thanks to Kris, Dave and the band - they were terrific. I was a bit worried about hearing Arthur Brown with the band for the first time since I'd not not had a chance to get used to hearing his vocals with Hawkwind lyrics but I thought he was just perfect - not too agressive but energetic and manic enough to bring a strange power to the tracks. I hope he enjoyed himself - and I really hope he reappears on any future tour! I just wish I'd been able to see more than one show - but there it is 8-( Grateful thanks though to Kris and Dave for their sympathy! Kris - I'm sorry I couldn't manage to get over but my godson seemed to appreciate my extended visit in London so it was a compensation. Alan, Arin, Richard, Ian, Gary, Anna, Merrick, Julie, Bernhard - oh hey - everyone!! It was wonderful to meet up with so many folk and I hope everyone has managed to return home safely and successfully enjoyed doing whatever they were going to do. Now for a silent winter (relieved only by Canterbury 2001 - hooray) and hopefully a less silent spring. cheers jill PS - 7 minutes by plane from Bristol Airport to Cardiff Airport = 3 hours by bus. No. You don't want to hear the story 8-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 19 18:14:48 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:14:48 -0500 Subject: Official Post From Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <200212122204.QAA11324@stcserve.stc.corp.mot.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 04:04:07PM -0600, Frank Weil wrote: => What does this have to do with Hawkwind (read the disclaimer at the top again)? I => could easily see that if Hawkwind does not make this pronouncement, then it would be => much more difficult to stop true bootlegging through legal channels and to collect => restitution. Given that their music is their livelihood, I think it is in their best => interest to protect it any way that they think is best. It's all too easy to sit on => the sidelines and say what the band should or shouldn't do. Maybe we should give => them the benefit of the doubt due to their many years on the inside of the music => business, the multitude of legal issues they have been through, and the amount of => money they surely have lost due to illegitimate releases. But this would appear to presume that it is not possible to craft a taping policy that allows free taping and trading of shows but prohibit bootlegging. Clearly, though, lots of bands have done exactly that, and even enforced those taping policies in the wake of violations. Some of the taping policies are very permissive with respect to live shows that are subsequently officially released. For example, the Grateful Dead policy says it is still okay to trade the same show as one officially released, so long as you don't trade copies of the actual release (you can trade other seeds of the same show). Others are more restrictive. For example, the Phish policy states that once a show is officially released, it should no longer be traded, whatever the seed. (I hope I am not misstating these policies.) Anyway, in these policies there is a clear distinction between free trading and for-profit trading (selling), with the latter being expressly forbidden (either directly or indirectly). I agree that music is Hawkwind's livelihood, but I don't know if preventing fans from freely trading shows is the best way of ensuring its longevity. We'll see... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Dec 20 09:18:00 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: HW:OEBs 'London lineup' to feature 'Famous Potatoes' member on washboard!!! Message-ID: Greetings Friends!!! As you know, The One Eyed Bishops are coming to London. It's my pleasure to announce that the search for a proper washboard player has ended. Paul 'prof' McDowell of England's own 'Famous Potatoes' will perform with us on the 12th, 13th ( studio) and 14th of January. The FPs have been going strong for nye on 23 years now, and have related projects such as 'The Folk Pistols' etc. Check out: http://www.famouspotatoes.co.uk/about.htm to learn more about them and what they do. The lineup for our London shows now stands as thus: Mike Burro: acoustic rhythm guitar & vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Phil Smith: acoustic and electric lead guitars Mr. Dibs : bass Paul 'prof' McDowell: washboard Once again, there will be three live dates and two studio days at: 'The School or Rock-n-Roll http://www.tts.ttfans.com So The abbreviated itinerary is as follows: Check the 'dates' section of our website for complete details at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com The One Eyed Bishops ' School Daze' UK 2003 1/12 King's Head Pub 1/13-14 The School of Rock-n-Roll 1/14 Mau Mau 1/15 The Catch Cheers! and Happy Yule!! The OEBs From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Dec 20 18:16:28 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:16:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Yuri etc... Message-ID: A distribution deal with Universal, something Voiceprint would probably kill for, that's why it gets in the shops. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > Indeed, I saw this CD in a record store in Barnstaple two days ago. > > But this begs a question; > > What sort of deal does he have that gets these things into the stores when > Voiceprint can't? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Fagin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:25 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > > > > Thanks for your help but what a bloody nuisance, I have now bought these > > 3 cds 4 times. Dave Anderson is really asking for it! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > > Sent: 19 December 2002 01:22 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Yuri etc... > > > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:08:19 -0000, Ben Fagin > > wrote: > > >Motu > > >You know youre only dreaming > > >You shouldn't do that > > >Hurry on sundown > > >Paranoia > > >See it as you really are > > >I do it > > >Came home > > > > > >>Cambridge Corn Exchange 1972 > > > > Yes, that's the tracklist for the first LP of 'Text Of Festival', which > > was > > NOT recorded in 1972. > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Dec 20 19:48:28 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:48:28 -0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of anything that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. "Yule Ritual" is a perfectly legit item with due royalties being paid,etc, etc. Andy G. Captain Bl at ck writes: > Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. > I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording > and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the > sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an > analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between > the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, > the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. What we need is a way for someone to confirm that the CD has been bought and paid for legitimately. Presumably Andy G would be willing to confirm from his lists? Would Voiceprint? FoFP From Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Dec 21 14:36:47 2002 From: Alan_Taylor at MADASAFISH.COM (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:36:47 -0000 Subject: Night of the Hawk in Falkirk Message-ID: Local Correspondent writes : There's 2 rail stations in Falkirk. Falkirk High is the most convenient (services-wise) from Edinburgh and Glasgow as the quarter-hourly express stops there. But that station is the other end of town from the venue, so best to go to Grahamston. I think there's trains every half hour to there from both Glasgow and Edinburgh and they take about 40 mins. Have a look at this map. http://www.multimap.co.uk/map/browse.cgi?X=289000&Y=680000&width=500&height= 300&client=public&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=F K2&advanced=&scale=25000&up.x=21&up.y=6 Grahamston station is at the bottom of the map. The Martell is a pub/disco and is about half a mile north of that on the B902. More specifically, once you reach the Forth and Clyde canal , just above the red B of B902 on the map, it is on the first left after that, into Burnbank Rd,and is about 20 yards along there on the left. Once you are into Burnbank Rd you can't miss it. Doors open at 8, but Brighawk are on after 3 other bands so it will probably be 10.30 at least before they go on. Pay a fiver or so on the door. If anyone wants to meet before-hand there's a pub called the Graeme Hotel (known to locals as Elliot's), again it's on the B902 (Graham's Road) but it is within 200 yards of the station. If you walk out of the station, onto Graham's Rd and go north, then it is on the left. Not very pubby looking on the outside (sandstone building), it is just after an Italian restaurant called Sepia (all neon red and green signs). I will be there from 8 until 8.45, after which I will go to the Martell. I'll wear a red carnation in my lapel or, er well, OK then, a Hawkwind t-shirt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Night of the Hawk in Falkirk > Seems that local Hawkwind cover band "Brighawk" are to play at the xmas > party of pub "The Martell" in Falkirk on Sunday 22nd. How about the > Scottish Hawkcrew going along to give some support? > > Perhaps our local correspondent could give location of the pub and > times? > > If anyone knows bus/train times to/from Edinburgh and Glasgow, those > could be useful too... > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 21 14:47:09 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:47:09 GMT Subject: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Andrew Garibaldi's message of Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:48:28 -0000 Message-ID: Andrew Garibaldi writes: > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of anything > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use those backups. > "Yule Ritual" is a perfectly legit item with due royalties being paid,etc, > etc. Indeed, and I bought a copy perfectly legitimately. Is there a lawyer in the house? FoFP > Andy G. > > Captain Bl at ck writes: > > > Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. > > > I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording > > and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the > > sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an > > analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between > > the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, > > the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. > > Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to > assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, > it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've > already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. > > What we need is a way for someone to confirm that the CD has been bought > and paid for legitimately. Presumably Andy G would be willing to confirm > from his lists? Would Voiceprint? > > FoFP > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Dec 21 16:29:35 2002 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:29:35 -0500 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: From: "M Holmes" > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of anything > > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. > > That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of > an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of > things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use > those backups. I thought he was talking about the paragraph below. The part about making a backup ("copy") for someone else (from your CD). I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not too sure about the last part. Under Fair Use in the US, I believe I can make copies of CD's I own, and I can even put together a 'compilation' CD which I can give to a friend, but I don't think I can make a copy for someone else - unless they provided me with the original and I returned both the original and backup. Again, I'm not a lawyer and it's just my opinion. > > Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to > > assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, > > it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've > > already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 21 17:22:29 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:22:29 -0000 Subject: HW: That Hawkwind Moment Message-ID: It's winter solstice - so a happy festive time to one and all. And as the new year sneaks into view I was musing about various Hawkwind tours and it occurred to me how many people I have met on a social basis that seem to have had what I can only call their "Hawkwind Moment". Some are partners or friends of people I know from the office, introduced to me at parties, some just people met in the pub, or friends of my relatives - but if the conversation drifts into Hawkwind for whatever reason an astonishing number of these people have one thing in common. They say "I saw Hawkwind once" and then proceed to tell me about the date, the venue, the performance, what was happening on stage - they don't know the names of who was in the band but they will describe in some detail what different people were doing! These are not Hawkwind fans - most have never seen the band again after their initial contact - but this one single occasion when they saw Hawkwind playing live seems to have created a defining moment in their life that is so important they have treasured the memory of that single contact all through the years - remembering it, carrying it with them throughout everything else that has happened to them. I suppose it must occur with other bands but somehow it always catches me by surprise - the fervour with which they describe this moment - as if it really meant something to them! Which kind of leads me on to the other thing I was musing - that performers and audience inhabit two very different worlds. The audience witness an event - a unique never to be repeated occasion that was crafted especially for them, a once only situation, every moment of which must be treasured and remembered and recalled because it will never ever happen again. The audience then is always living in the past - remembering an event because it was formed just for them and there might never be another such moment again. To the performer though, the past only represents what he spent hours crafting and working and experimenting on - working up to a performance that forms the culmination of all his hours of preparation. The achievement of a final product. A piece of work completed, finished and, above all, ready for the next phase. The performer then is always looking forward - to the stage beyond - to the improved version. The past only represents the creative phase - it's the work that lies ahead - in the future - that is important. Or is this just rambling nonsense? Probably! Put it down to an almost full moon, the turning of the year and standing on the edge of who knows what.......! In the meantime I'm off to find a small island to imbibe some festive spirit on so the best of all festive wishes to one and all whenever, whatever and however you choose to celebrate! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Dec 21 19:04:28 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:04:28 -0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: See what I mean - picky!!!!!!!!! Happy Xmas Mike - and everyone in this group - all the best for 2003. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Yule Ritual > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of anything > > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. > > That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of > an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of > things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use > those backups. > > > "Yule Ritual" is a perfectly legit item with due royalties being paid,etc, > > etc. > > Indeed, and I bought a copy perfectly legitimately. > > Is there a lawyer in the house? > > FoFP > > > > > > Andy G. > > > > Captain Bl at ck writes: > > > > > Interesting. I decided to check this for myself. > > > > > I compared the Voiceprint release with the original master recording > > > and it would seem you guys are correct - somewhere along the line the > > > sound has been heavily eq'd and processed through what sounds like an > > > analog compressor. There is some noticeable intermodulation between > > > the bass and the rest of the sound and Doug P, you are quite correct, > > > the bass no longer sounds like a bass guitar. > > > > Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to > > assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, > > it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've > > already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those backups. > > > > What we need is a way for someone to confirm that the CD has been bought > > and paid for legitimately. Presumably Andy G would be willing to confirm > > from his lists? Would Voiceprint? > > > > FoFP > > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Dec 21 19:30:06 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:30:06 -0600 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: I think if I bought it, then it should be perfectly fine to make my own "best of" compilations, and give the gift of music to friends who may otherwise decide not to go out of their way to hear or buy Hawkwind music, or at least let them borrow it for a while. Mostly, I find that they wind up going out subsequently and purchasing Hawkwind music as a result. It is certainly not done in the spirit of trying to rip anyone off, but instead, to spread the music. Contrary to belief, not everyone has heard of Hawkwind, or even cares, especially the younger generation, and I find delight in turning people on to Hawkwind. It's hard to make people go out initially and buy Hawkwind music if they have not had the occasion to hear them to begin with, especially here in bumfuck Louisiana, where all we get on the radio is a heavy dose of county music, and latest Kid Rock music in heavy rotation. Hope it is not wrong to think that way. Just had to thrown my two cents (pence) in. Happy Christmas! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Yule Ritual > From: "M Holmes" > > > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > > > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of > anything > > > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. > > > > That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of > > an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of > > things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use > > those backups. > > I thought he was talking about the paragraph below. The part about > making a backup ("copy") for someone else (from your CD). I'm not > a lawyer, but I'm not too sure about the last part. Under Fair Use in > the US, I believe I can make copies of CD's I own, and I can even > put together a 'compilation' CD which I can give to a friend, but I > don't think I can make a copy for someone else - unless they > provided me with the original and I returned both the original > and backup. Again, I'm not a lawyer and it's just my opinion. > > > > Maybe the solution would be for those who have the non-heavy version to > > > assist with backups for those with the heavy one. As I understand it, > > > it's not illegal to have backups for personal use of something you've > > > already bought and it's not illegal for someone to help make those > backups. > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 22 14:55:35 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:55:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Satan is a human!" Message-ID: I just heard parts of Entombed's "Clandestine" album at the record store yesterday. I picked it out with a bunch of stuff to listen to, namely some Darkthrone, Bathory and Bolt Thrower CD's. Had to leave because I was meeting someone at a bar nearby to exchange some live bootleg and radio broadcast CDRs, among them the first part of my 12 hour Hawkwind 30th anniversary special. An excellent day so far, listening to my radio broadcasts on Radio Tarkus and Uh?rt from 1998 and 1999 and enjoying them immensely. Expect some new playlists on my website when I get the time. The Hawkwind playlist will also be updated. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Dec 22 15:03:53 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:33:53 +1030 Subject: OFF: "Satan is a human!" Message-ID: Name george bush ----- Original Message ----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: OFF: "Satan is a human!" > I just heard parts of Entombed's "Clandestine" album > at the record store yesterday. I picked it out with a > bunch of stuff to listen to, namely some Darkthrone, > Bathory and Bolt Thrower CD's. Had to leave because I > was meeting someone at a bar nearby to exchange some > live bootleg and radio broadcast CDRs, among them the > first part of my 12 hour Hawkwind 30th anniversary > special. An excellent day so far, listening to my > radio broadcasts on Radio Tarkus and Uh?rt from 1998 > and 1999 and enjoying them immensely. Expect some new > playlists on my website when I get the time. The > Hawkwind playlist will also be updated. > > Chr. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sun Dec 22 04:50:17 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:50:17 -0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: M Holmes writes: Is there a lawyer in the house? I will own up to that if you pay me ?250. Ta - Merry Christmas To You All From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 22 15:11:07 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:11:07 +0000 Subject: HW: favorite tracks off Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" Message-ID: Just thought I had to post my top 10 fave tracks in order of favorites off this album, as I am a fanatic about it: 1. Elric a rockin' heavy metal tune about prince Elric and his black vampire blade Stormbringer, "Murmuring in a scabbard cold" next to him seated on the Dragon Throne! 2. Shade Gate a nice fantasy piece recalling the adventurous fantasy settings and atmosphere of the Elric books 3. Arioch ripping acid drenched death/speedmetal chronicling the Lord of Chaos himself 4. Assault & Battery (live) An immortal biker theme for the Hell's Angels and the free and feudal spirit of Hawkwind 5. Needle Gun A rocking Hawkwind boogie that sounds like an evil sounding ZZ Top, chronicling Elric's other incarnation Jerry Cornelius 6. Sea King Huw Lloyd-Langton's chronicle of the Sailor On The Seas of Fate 7. Song Of The Swords Brock's opening assault of warrior bravery and evil vampire swords Stormbringer and Mournblade forever interlinked in a pact of chaos and law 8. Sleep Of A Thousand Years Elric's cousin/lover Zarozia's magickal sleep 9. Horn Of Destiny As Elric blows the horn the world ends 10. Chaos Army The onmarching massive monster mutation hordes of Chaos invading from hellish dimensions Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 22 15:23:14 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:23:14 +0000 Subject: arrested by Ginger Baker!!! Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:09:03 GMT, SPAMBEGONEsuperskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk (Captain Chekelov) wrote: >they'll kill me if I'm ever a punk or a hippy again!!! You see, Hell's Angels kept beating me up as Ginger Baker a couple of years ago. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 22 18:26:02 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:26:02 +0000 Subject: HW: there's a difference between being a Hawkwind deadhead and being Hawkwind buddha Message-ID: I've been a Hawkwind deadhead for years, since 1988, with "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" and "Xenon Codex" and saw them live twice, Alaska in Oslo in '91 and at the Limelight in NYC in 1995. Just because Ron Tree followed me around with the rest of hardcore with songs like "I Am The Reptoid" and "Hippy" doesen't mean I am "Hawkwind buddha" as some hippys in judaism and simple buddhists and some Islam beleived, it just means I am followed around as Nik Turner or something by Hawkwind, as the jehovah in the 60's who's a deadhead in Hawkwind as I've been for years. Ron Tree knows me as the jehovah in hardcore and I remain a deadhead today. Dave Brock, Capt. Rizz, Ali Davey, Huw Loyd-Langton and Jerry Richards and whomever else in Hawkwind at the moment know I never thought I was a Chinese buddha kid in Hawkwind or an Indian or anything, as the song "Reptoid Vision" proves I am a buddhist and not buddha in buddhism. Hawkwind just followed me around like everyone else, Tiamat, Entombed, Monster Magnet, Spiritualized and whomever. Some bands still follow me around, and Hawkwind aren't one of them anymore. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 23 02:45:35 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:15:35 +1030 Subject: quark ep Message-ID: What a groovy little ep this is! Finally got to hear it today. I'd heard the version of QS&C - or a similar version on the business trip cd - love that one! A dance version of Uncle sams on mars. Space Rock on e's :-) Nice to hear such an alternate version of such a cool song. Black sun. What a trippy number this is. From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Dec 23 08:21:48 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:21:48 -0500 Subject: quark ep In-Reply-To: <002801c2aa57$4882bf00$82e7223f@laptop> Message-ID: Yes this EP is fantastic. Tons of fun to listen to. ________________________________ Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read. -- Frank Zappa ::->-----Original Message----- ::->From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::->Behalf Of Michael Blackman ::->Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:46 AM ::->To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::->Subject: quark ep ::-> ::-> ::->What a groovy little ep this is! Finally got to hear it today. ::-> I'd heard the version of QS&C - or a similar version on the ::->business trip cd - love that one! ::-> A dance version of Uncle sams on mars. Space Rock on e's :-) ::->Nice to hear such an alternate version of such a cool song. ::->Black sun. What a trippy number this is. ::-> From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 23 10:07:29 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:07:29 GMT Subject: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > From: "M Holmes" > > > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > > > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of > anything > > > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. > > > > That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of > > an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of > > things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use > > those backups. > > I thought he was talking about the paragraph below. The part about > making a backup ("copy") for someone else (from your CD). For someone else who has already legally bought the CD. In that regard they're entitled to a backup. The issue is whether it's legal for someone else to help them make one. FoFP From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Dec 23 20:31:09 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:31:09 -0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: "Strictly speaking", it's illegal to copy *any* record/CD/tape for *any* reason, even for backup purposes. Someone, somewhere owns the copyright and/or publishing rights. However, as I understand it, copying ones own records (for example, to play in the car) has never brought anyone a hefty punishment. However, giving or lending that copy to a friend is right out. That's seen as piracy, "for personal use" seems to be taken as OK. Anyone want a copy of... (oops...) :-) Cheers, Rich. > Jerry Guizar writes: > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > > > Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > > > > > Well - if ya want to be "picky", it's illegal to do CDR copies of > > anything > > > > that is legal copyrighted product, especially if it's still in print. > > > > > > That's not my understanding. For example it was legal to make a tape of > > > an LP you owned for use in your car. It's also legal to make backups of > > > things you've bought legally so long as you don't let anyone else use > > > those backups. > > > > I thought he was talking about the paragraph below. The part about > > making a backup ("copy") for someone else (from your CD). > > For someone else who has already legally bought the CD. In that regard > they're entitled to a backup. The issue is whether it's legal for > someone else to help them make one. > > FoFP > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 23 20:39:33 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:09:33 +1030 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: I am now the proud owner of a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened und b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 UK Pressing mmmmmm yummy From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Dec 24 06:01:28 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:01:28 -0000 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Have you played these yet? How sure they are not mispressings and you will soon be listening to Kylie's Greatest Hits and Shadap Ya Face by Joe Dolce? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) I am now the proud owner of a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened und b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 UK Pressing mmmmmm yummy From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 24 09:20:51 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:20:51 +0800 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: what will tomorrow bring.... Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... Cheers Bill From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 24 09:34:33 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:04:33 +1030 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Art thou the devil come to taunt me? ;-) I am 100% sure they are not misspressed. :) Cmdr Blue Skin Alien Dream Federation of Planets Niiiiii!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > Have you played these yet? > > How sure they are not mispressings and you will soon be listening to Kylie's > Greatest Hits and Shadap Ya Face by Joe Dolce? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM > Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > I am now the proud owner of > > a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened > > und > > b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened > 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. > Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 > UK Pressing > mmmmmm yummy > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 24 09:37:16 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:37:16 -0000 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: Ooh - I know, I know this one! A long drive, stress, family arguments and misery. ;-) Have a good one everyone. Cheers, Rich. > what will tomorrow bring.... > > Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... > > Cheers > Bill > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 24 10:02:26 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:32:26 +1030 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: cheers! you too :) dont tred in any reindeer shit. its everywhere this time of the year ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: Hurry on Sundown > what will tomorrow bring.... > > Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... > > Cheers > Bill From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 24 10:04:21 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:34:21 +1030 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: You ought to bake up a batch of mild strength brownies with the extra special ingredient. if that doesn't keep the festivities festive then nuthin will.... neee! ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Hurry on Sundown > Ooh - I know, I know this one! > > A long drive, stress, family arguments and misery. > > ;-) > > Have a good one everyone. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > what will tomorrow bring.... > > > > Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... > > > > Cheers > > Bill > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 24 10:46:18 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:46:18 -0500 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: Cheers to all,and don't eat the yellow snow,either tim 8>)... Michael Blackman wrote: > > cheers! you too :) > > dont tred in any reindeer shit. its everywhere this time of the year > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill & Cynthia > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:50 AM > Subject: Hurry on Sundown > > > > what will tomorrow bring.... > > > > Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... > > > > Cheers > > Bill From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 24 11:19:04 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:49:04 +1030 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: the closest Im going to get to any snow here is the type that goes up ya nose. and the chances of that are remote as well cause I dont stick things up me nose :-))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Hurry on Sundown > Cheers to all,and don't eat the yellow snow,either > tim 8>)... > Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > cheers! you too :) > > > > dont tred in any reindeer shit. its everywhere this time of the year > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill & Cynthia > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:50 AM > > Subject: Hurry on Sundown > > > > > > > what will tomorrow bring.... > > > > > > Cheers everyone and have a great festive season... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Dec 24 12:28:28 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:28:28 -0500 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) In-Reply-To: <002a01c2ab3b$d0c09f60$32ad6fd4@lucidzoo>; from starfield@SUPANET.COM on Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:01:28AM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:01:28AM -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > > [Mike B. scores QS&C copies] > How sure they are not mispressings and you will soon be listening to Kylie's > Greatest Hits [...] Maybe it's Kylie's android replica he's singing about.... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Just Say No to the "faceless cannonfodder" stereotype. - http://www.ainurin.net/ (an Orc site) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 24 12:50:06 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:50:06 +0800 Subject: Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: Merry Christmas everyone!! William From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Dec 24 12:57:55 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:57:55 -0600 Subject: HW: trip report and stuff Message-ID: Whew. am still working my way through the 6000 messages that were waiting for me when I returned, so forgive this late-ish post. (as usual this is far too disorganized and to indepth. warning, warning, etc.) ye olde trip report: Arrived on Wednesday the 11th. Stayed in London with a friend, took the opportunity to hit the decent sf bookshops (forbidden planet, new worlds, and my fave...fantasy centre.) Managed to find myself in Leicester Square as the premiere of LotR:TTT was about to start. Lurked in the audience hoping for a glimpse of the stars, but retired a very disappointed fangirl ;-) Off the next morning to Walthamstow (to check out the hotel I'd booked everyone into ;-) ). Hm. Walthamstow has a taxi stand, but it was really really short of any actual taxis. Ah well, it didn't look too far. After a longish walk (I walk slowly) later, arrived at the hotel. Boy, Rik wasn't kidding. It really was close to the Sainsbury's....being in its parking lot ;-) (...and that was lovely, actually, as that way I could load up on party supplies fairly easily.) Check in, angst over whether Denis is arriving early or not, chill for a bit, then manage to catch a ride down to Brighton with Rik and Val. (thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you) Chat to various folks (mike, eric, keith (h. and b.), nick), end up selling t-shirts for the evening. Wasn't able to watch the show, but it sounded amazing. Bring on Walthamstow. Finish selling t's, back off to the hotel. arrange for a few more rooms for unexpected stayers-over. deal with a complete idiot at the desk. Get back to the hotel. Yay, Rich arrived! Next morning: nervous. Get up, do a quick scan for people. No one around yet. Find a sensible human being at the desk, redo all the hotel finagling from prior night. Head off to the Sainsbury's with Rich. Try to guesstimate how much food and drink to get, knowing full well that I'll probably get it wrong. Angst. Fun scene: Rich and I trying to figure out what alcohol to buy when we both don't drink. snicker. Haul goodies back to hotel in shopping cart (yay hotel being in parking lot.) Bump into Merrick and Julie outside. Much exchange of happy hellos. Press them into service to haul the goodies over to the gig (many thank yous for volunteering for that, btw.) Get inside, do the countdown for people arriving at the hotel. Everyone who said that they wouldn't be late arrive except for 2 of the couples. Wave hello to lots of list folk. Meet Ian Abrahams and his friend Stuart for the first time. Angst a bit over missing people. Not to worry, though, as cut a deal with hotel over not getting charged for one of those rooms. Summon minicabs, then it's off to the gig! Get to the gig, go to investigate party room. Hey...nice room! (thanks Rik for running interference there.) Figure out how things are going to work. Head off to the Bell for some socializing with the rest of the boc-l gang. (which was much fun.) Back off to gig. Bliss out for the gig. Wow. All I can say is that I really really think Arthur Brown did a great job. For once in my life, I didn't hate a front man. cool. (...and I fell in love with the rendition of Time Captives.) Everyone seems to be exchanging tracks that they wish were retired. For my part, I would like to see angels of death retired (well, and the watcher, since I've never liked that ;-) ) Light show was fabulous. Gig over, start looking around for party folks. Told the hotel gang, and the misc hawkfolk, looked around for the boc-l folk that were due to go, but didn't spot Maxine (sorry!) and didn't see Roger post gig. Richard...you didn't make yourself known to me. I hung around for a while postgig, hoping that I'd spot you, but.... Alan D., if you were there, I didn't spot you :-( (sigh. next time, get people to identify *before* gig.) I'm really sorry folks. sent Rich to get gear from Merrick's car, started setting up stuff downstairs. Whew. party. Thanks to everyone to helped out with it, and particular thanks to everyone who contributed to the "oh-christ-I-need-to-bribe-the-door-guys-so-the-party-can-continue-and-i-have-no-cash" fund. (yet another moral: always be prepared for graft.) A zillion thanks to Kris and Rik for their general assist. More people managed to find their way in than I was anticipating. (Moral of the story: always always always buy more beer than you think you will ever need.) Hopefully folks enjoyed themselves... Party done, summon minicabs (spell of summon minicabs: +2 to int), head back to hotel. Dump stuff, talking and suchforth goes on 'til early am (eek.) Eventually fall down and sleep. Wave goodbye to folks in the am, head off to stanstead and off to newquay to deal with stupid wedding venue crap. Arin (done blathering) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 24 14:18:15 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:18:15 -0000 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: hey thats cool! took me ages to get those two aswell! now if anyone had a spare copy of ASAM CD on Virgin :-) cheers colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) I am now the proud owner of a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened und b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 UK Pressing mmmmmm yummy From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 24 14:23:26 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:53:26 +1030 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: I'm very happy about it. Its been a long wait for me as well. Im after an ASAM as well. It'll come. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colm McWilliams To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > hey thats cool! took me ages to get those two aswell! > now if anyone had a spare copy of ASAM CD on Virgin > :-) > > cheers > > colm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM > Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > I am now the proud owner of > > a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened > > und > > b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened > 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. > Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 > UK Pressing > mmmmmm yummy > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Dec 24 23:46:45 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:46:45 EST Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: Peace out Bill Stewart From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 25 01:32:59 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:32:59 +0000 Subject: HW: the bit about the Reptoid explained Message-ID: Go to http://bloomingdales1383.tripod.com/pulp/tubrok.html to read the Dragon and Centipede chronicles. In the beginning, there is a bit about me being a "Reptilian" or a "Reptoid" - this has NOTHING to do with Hawkwind's song "Reptoid Vision" or "I Am The Reptoid". Please take note of this and read on. It means that most people who have read this site thought I meant I thought I was Buddha in Hawkwind at my mom's house when in fact I am NOT, because the site has nothing to do with the Hawkwind song. Chr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Dec 25 02:49:53 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 07:49:53 -0000 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Michael, You enjoy your QS&C and wallow in the warm glow of smugness. I'm sure that ASAM will be worth the wait - sorry, can't help anybody with a spare copy of that. Merry Christmas and All That to Everybody out there. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > I'm very happy about it. Its been a long wait for me as well. > Im after an ASAM as well. It'll come. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colm McWilliams > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > > hey thats cool! took me ages to get those two aswell! > > now if anyone had a spare copy of ASAM CD on Virgin > > :-) > > > > cheers > > > > colm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM > > Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > > > > I am now the proud owner of > > > > a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened > > > > und > > > > b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened > > 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. > > Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 > > UK Pressing > > mmmmmm yummy > > > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Dec 25 03:13:54 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:13:54 -0600 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Uhhh...ASAM.....got lucky to find it somewhere..CDNow maybe..a small record shop in LA.....I forgot,though, and I will not copy it for anyone...that is definitely against the rules......if it were easily obtainable by normal channels, I would most definitely recommend it to newbies. Great album, despite stories of frisbees (??!!). Mix is a bit muddy at times, but it has that bombastic quality with headphones, or a good equalizer and speakers. Actually, it's fuckin' awesome! Whatever.......anyway, hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year! By the way, are there any gigs coming up in the UK at the end of January, beginning of Febuary worth going to? (Was hoping to schedule the trip to coincide with HW gigs, but otherwise, anything happening?...(will be travelling to Aberdeen, Scotland at that time, by way of London.) Best Regards, Tom From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 25 05:09:53 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:39:53 +1030 Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: Peace in Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Stewart To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Merry Christmas > Peace out > > Bill Stewart > From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 25 05:17:57 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:47:57 +1030 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Cheers man :) Merry Christmas y'all Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream~federation of galaxies) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > Michael, > > You enjoy your QS&C and wallow in the warm glow of smugness. > I'm sure that ASAM will be worth the wait - sorry, can't help anybody with a > spare copy of that. > > Merry Christmas and All That to Everybody out there. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blackman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > > I'm very happy about it. Its been a long wait for me as well. > > Im after an ASAM as well. It'll come. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colm McWilliams > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:48 AM > > Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > > > > > hey thats cool! took me ages to get those two aswell! > > > now if anyone had a spare copy of ASAM CD on Virgin > > > :-) > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > colm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Blackman" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:39 AM > > > Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > > > > > > > > > I am now the proud owner of > > > > > > a) A QS&C griffin box set unopened > > > > > > und > > > > > > b) a brand new QS&C cd unopened > > > 1977 Charisma Records Ltd. > > > Charisma/Virgin CDSCD4008 > > > UK Pressing > > > mmmmmm yummy > > > > > > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Dec 25 05:18:51 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:18:51 -0000 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: Yeah, good album that one. Though to my ears the CD lacks a little power compared to the vinyl. A good reason for remastering all the Charisma stuff, I think, with maybe, bonus tracks? (On all our wish lists for 2003, I guess...). Though I did hear tell that the master of Honky Dorky had gone missing - shame, someone should put that back into Reefer Madness like it was originally. Does anyone else have that Virgin 'Spirit Of The Age' CD compilation? And have they noticed how the Hawklords tracks sound slightly bright and hissy compared to the rest? Almost like the engineer forgot to switch on the noise reduction. Just Curious! Happy festivities, whoever you support. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > Uhhh...ASAM.....got lucky to find it somewhere..CDNow maybe..a small record > shop in LA.....I forgot,though, and I will not copy it for anyone...that is > definitely against the rules......if it were easily obtainable by normal > channels, I would most definitely recommend it to newbies. > > Great album, despite stories of frisbees (??!!). Mix is a bit muddy at > times, but it has that bombastic quality with headphones, or a good > equalizer and speakers. Actually, it's fuckin' awesome! > > Whatever.......anyway, hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year! > > By the way, are there any gigs coming up in the UK at the end of January, > beginning of Febuary worth going to? (Was hoping to schedule the trip to > coincide with HW gigs, but otherwise, anything happening?...(will be > travelling to Aberdeen, Scotland at that time, by way of London.) > > Best Regards, > > > Tom From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Dec 25 05:31:33 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:01:33 +1030 Subject: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) Message-ID: I have no doubt that I will manage an original copy of ASAM :) Its just a matter of time. I have to thank Alisa for informing me of the QS&C box set otherwise I would have missed out on it. THANK YOU!!!!! :) The other copy of QS&C I found on ebay and had to watch like a hawk :) and good I did too because some bugger put a bid in with one minute to go but I swooped back in and made the winning bid with ten seconds to spare. Very satisfying indeed :) I would really love to see a complete Hawkwind box set released one day. I guess the hard part would be to determine what goes in and what does not. Just official Hawkwind releases perhaps? eg; no copies of yuri (theres enough already) I was going to say studio releases only but then there are some official live recordings that are a must. Like Love in space and live chronicles etc etc I'm sure something really fancy could be out together. I'd buy it for sure. Two of em :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: hawkwind - ooooo's a SMUG GIT then :-) > Uhhh...ASAM.....got lucky to find it somewhere..CDNow maybe..a small record > shop in LA.....I forgot,though, and I will not copy it for anyone...that is > definitely against the rules......if it were easily obtainable by normal > channels, I would most definitely recommend it to newbies. > > Great album, despite stories of frisbees (??!!). Mix is a bit muddy at > times, but it has that bombastic quality with headphones, or a good > equalizer and speakers. Actually, it's fuckin' awesome! > > Whatever.......anyway, hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year! > > By the way, are there any gigs coming up in the UK at the end of January, > beginning of Febuary worth going to? (Was hoping to schedule the trip to > coincide with HW gigs, but otherwise, anything happening?...(will be > travelling to Aberdeen, Scotland at that time, by way of London.) > > Best Regards, > > > Tom > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Wed Dec 25 17:07:06 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:07:06 -0500 Subject: HW: ISO Mike Coleman Message-ID: Hey Now! Is anyone in contact w/ Mike Coleman? The Christmas Card that I sent him was returned w/ no forwarding address. Any info would be appreciated. Merry Christmas! D From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 25 18:02:12 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:02:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 prog Rock Message-ID: Just a note for the UK listmembers: The Channel 4 Top 10 Prog Rock programme, which includes Hawkwind, is being repeated at 1.55am on the night of January 3/4. Regards, Colin From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Wed Dec 25 18:06:28 2002 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:06:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Top 10 prog Rock Message-ID: If anyone want a cool videosleeve for this item,e-mail me privately Filip.Vanhuyse at pandora.be ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J Allen To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 12:02 AM Subject: HW: Top 10 prog Rock > Just a note for the UK listmembers: > > The Channel 4 Top 10 Prog Rock programme, which includes Hawkwind, is being > repeated at 1.55am on the night of January 3/4. > > Regards, > > Colin > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 26 14:15:48 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:15:48 +0000 Subject: HW: trip report and stuff Message-ID: Hi Arin! i was at the gig and was planning to go to either Bristol or Birmingham too..oh well...The Walthemstow gig was just amazeing, eh? i espesially loved "earth calling" that version blue me away...and "sonic attack2 was great..Did you recognise the music to it ?? A D.b solo track from Spacebrock? WOW anyway!!! I was wasted at the end and needed to chill and reflect on the gig..I was very happy to hear it all went well..and sorry we missed each other..I wanted you to meet a couple of people ...next summer,eh? Alan D.+ Andrea. Peace >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: trip report and stuff >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:57:55 -0600 > >Whew. am still working my way through the 6000 messages that were waiting >for me when I returned, so forgive this late-ish post. > >(as usual this is far too disorganized and to indepth. warning, warning, >etc.) > >ye olde trip report: > >Arrived on Wednesday the 11th. Stayed in London with a friend, took the >opportunity to hit the decent sf bookshops (forbidden planet, new worlds, >and my fave...fantasy centre.) > >Managed to find myself in Leicester Square as the premiere of LotR:TTT >was about to start. Lurked in the audience hoping for a glimpse of the >stars, but retired a very disappointed fangirl ;-) > >Off the next morning to Walthamstow (to check out the hotel I'd booked >everyone into ;-) ). > >Hm. Walthamstow has a taxi stand, but it was really really short of any >actual taxis. Ah well, it didn't look too far. > >After a longish walk (I walk slowly) later, arrived at the hotel. >Boy, Rik wasn't kidding. It really was close to the Sainsbury's....being >in its parking lot ;-) > >(...and that was lovely, actually, as that way I could load up on party >supplies fairly easily.) > >Check in, angst over whether Denis is arriving early or not, chill for a >bit, then manage to catch a ride down to Brighton with Rik and Val. > >(thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you) > >Chat to various folks (mike, eric, keith (h. and b.), nick), end up >selling t-shirts for the evening. > >Wasn't able to watch the show, but it sounded amazing. Bring on >Walthamstow. > >Finish selling t's, back off to the hotel. arrange for a few more rooms >for unexpected stayers-over. deal with a complete idiot at the desk. > >Get back to the hotel. Yay, Rich arrived! > >Next morning: nervous. > >Get up, do a quick scan for people. No one around yet. Find a sensible >human being at the desk, redo all the hotel finagling from prior night. > >Head off to the Sainsbury's with Rich. Try to guesstimate how much food >and drink to get, knowing full well that I'll probably get it wrong. > >Angst. > >Fun scene: Rich and I trying to figure out what alcohol to buy when we >both don't drink. snicker. > >Haul goodies back to hotel in shopping cart (yay hotel being in parking >lot.) > >Bump into Merrick and Julie outside. Much exchange of happy >hellos. Press them into service to haul the goodies over to the gig >(many thank yous for volunteering for that, btw.) > >Get inside, do the countdown for people arriving at the hotel. >Everyone who said that they wouldn't be late arrive except for 2 of the >couples. Wave hello to lots of list folk. Meet Ian Abrahams and his >friend Stuart for the first time. > >Angst a bit over missing people. > >Not to worry, though, as cut a deal with hotel over not getting charged >for one of those rooms. > >Summon minicabs, then it's off to the gig! > >Get to the gig, go to investigate party room. Hey...nice room! >(thanks Rik for running interference there.) > >Figure out how things are going to work. > >Head off to the Bell for some socializing with the rest of the boc-l gang. >(which was much fun.) > >Back off to gig. > >Bliss out for the gig. Wow. All I can say is that I really really think >Arthur Brown did a great job. For once in my life, I didn't hate a front >man. cool. > >(...and I fell in love with the rendition of Time Captives.) > >Everyone seems to be exchanging tracks that they wish were retired. >For my part, I would like to see angels of death retired (well, and the >watcher, since I've never liked that ;-) ) > >Light show was fabulous. > >Gig over, start looking around for party folks. Told the hotel gang, and >the misc hawkfolk, looked around for the boc-l folk that were due to go, >but didn't spot Maxine (sorry!) and didn't see Roger post >gig. Richard...you didn't make yourself known to me. I hung around for a >while postgig, hoping that I'd spot you, but.... > >Alan D., if you were there, I didn't spot you :-( > >(sigh. next time, get people to identify *before* gig.) I'm really sorry >folks. > >sent Rich to get gear from Merrick's car, started setting up stuff >downstairs. > >Whew. > >party. > >Thanks to everyone to helped out with it, and particular thanks to >everyone who contributed to the >"oh-christ-I-need-to-bribe-the-door-guys-so-the-party-can-continue-and-i-have-no-cash" >fund. > >(yet another moral: always be prepared for graft.) > >A zillion thanks to Kris and Rik for their general assist. > >More people managed to find their way in than I was anticipating. (Moral >of the story: always always always buy more beer than you think you will >ever need.) > >Hopefully folks enjoyed themselves... > >Party done, summon minicabs (spell of summon minicabs: +2 to int), >head back to hotel. > >Dump stuff, talking and suchforth goes on 'til early am (eek.) > >Eventually fall down and sleep. > >Wave goodbye to folks in the am, head off to stanstead and off to newquay >to deal with stupid wedding venue crap. > >Arin >(done blathering) >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 30 12:10:56 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:10:56 -0400 Subject: HW: OEBs show at Mau Mau, Portobello Rd, cancelled due to noise pollution Message-ID: Hello, friends, The One Eyed Bishops' show at Mau Mau, 265 Portobello Rd ( London), has been cancelled as a result of the 'environmental health agency'. They ruled that the place was too loud, and therefore suspended further live music events there. We are currently seeking an alternative venue in Notting Hill, however if it falls through completely, this should be all the more reason to show up at the 15th show at 'Catch 22', Kingsland Rd. There will be 3 bands, and the venue holds about 175-200. We will also still perform at The suffolk acoustic music club's gathering at The King's Head Pub ( Shoreditch) see: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com for complete dates and info. Cheers! Mike Burro From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Dec 30 18:19:57 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:49:57 +1030 Subject: 'appy..... hic..... 'appy ....... hiiiiicc Message-ID: oh......... happy smeggin new years ya mob of furry hawk-fanatics :) remember - dont dink n dive .... whatever that means ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 31 10:47:10 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:47:10 GMT Subject: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:31:09 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > "Strictly speaking", it's illegal to copy *any* record/CD/tape for *any* > reason, even for backup purposes. Someone, somewhere owns the copyright > and/or publishing rights. However, as I understand it, copying ones own > records (for example, to play in the car) has never brought anyone a hefty > punishment. Not even in Court, which is why I doubt it's reasonable to say that it's illegal. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 31 14:59:38 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:59:38 GMT Subject: HW: ISO Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: DRider's message of Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: DRider writes: > Hey Now! > > Is anyone in contact w/ Mike Coleman? > > The Christmas Card that I sent him was returned w/ no forwarding address. > > Any info would be appreciated. Well if someone has the insider knowledge to get a card and best wishes to him, I'd certainly like my name added to the list... FoFP From vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 31 15:18:09 2002 From: vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Subject: HW: ISO Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: <200212311959.TAA04285@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Try looking at Mikewind2000, there's still the usual 50 messages daily! www.yahoo.com/mikewind2000 the -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 31 December 2002 20:00 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: ISO Mike Coleman DRider writes: > Hey Now! > > Is anyone in contact w/ Mike Coleman? > > The Christmas Card that I sent him was returned w/ no forwarding address. > > Any info would be appreciated. Well if someone has the insider knowledge to get a card and best wishes to him, I'd certainly like my name added to the list... FoFP From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 31 15:53:47 2002 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:53:47 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! JUBA / PSEUDO SUN _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Dec 31 16:51:47 2002 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Cpt Blue Skin) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:21:47 +1030 Subject: HW: ISO Mike Coleman Message-ID: as soon as he gets back in touch ------------------------------------------------ Cpt Blue Skin (alien dream) ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 6:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: ISO Mike Coleman > DRider writes: > > > Hey Now! > > > > Is anyone in contact w/ Mike Coleman? > > > > The Christmas Card that I sent him was returned w/ no forwarding address. > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > Well if someone has the insider knowledge to get a card and best wishes > to him, I'd certainly like my name added to the list... > > FoFP > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Dec 31 17:17:52 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:17:52 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/28 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments/questions/requests, before, during or after the program, e-mail me at: . 12/28 1.Exit Terra "Return to Planet Slatus" (ST'd) (tracks 2 and 3 dedicated to Mary Hansen) 2.Stereolab "Our Trinitone Blast" (Transient Random-Noise Bursts with Announcements; Elektra) 3.Schema "Echolalia...Curvilinear" (ST'd; 5 Rue Constantine) 4.45 Self "Umbrasperm" (Aztec Gameshow Death Ritual; Sirius Death Ritual) 5.Gong "Flying Teapot" (Live Etc; Virgin/Caroline) 6.Hawkwind "Upside Down" (Space Ritual; EMI) 7.Scattered Planets "Das Andere Idyl" (Andromeda Keg Party; thanks to Doug) 8.Krom Lek "It Only Takes" (Rariteality; thanks to Stone Premontions) 9.Klaus Schulze "Mental Door" (Picture Music; Magnum) 10.ST 37 "The Grain Kings" (Down on Us; Emperor Jones) 11.Thirteenth Floor Elevators "Roller Coaster" (The Psychedelic Sounds of...; Collectables) 12.Angelo Badalamenti "Pretty '50s" (Mullholland Drive soundtrack; Milan/BMG) 13.Robert Calvert "Franz Joseph Strauss, Defence Minister, Reviews the Luftwaffe in 1958, Finding it Somewhat Lacking in Image Potential; Aerospaceage Inferno" (Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters; BGO) 14.Manilla Road "Up from the Crypt" (Mystification; Sentinel Steel) 15.Circle "Brilliant Colours for Bright Ideas" (Surface; Metamorphos) 16.Acid Mothers Temple "What Do I Want to Know " (New Geocentric World; Squealer) thanks, Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Dec 31 22:27:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:27:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: 2003 Message-ID: Right guys, I hope 2003 is a fantastic year for you all. 2002 was the best year of my life (in that I got married to Gill), and I'm hoping that this year holds a lot of exciting things - if you see what I mean. Hope 2003 is as good to y'all. However, while you're celebrating the new year, please bear a thought for Larry "DASLUD" Boyd. Raising a pint glass to you all, Cheers, Rich. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 31 23:40:37 2002 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:40:37 -0500 Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR !! Message-ID: Happy new year to all friends,family,hawks,& bocs hope y'all have a great 2003 tim & phyl