From grodog at PACBELL.NET Thu Aug 1 00:26:41 2002 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:26:41 -0700 Subject: off: porcupine tree in Bay Area, California, this Friday and Saturday Message-ID: Porcupine Tree will perform on Friday evening at Slims in San Francico, CA, on Friday night, and at a CD Warehouse in Sunnyvale, CA, on Saturday afternoon. For details, see http://www.porcupinetree.com/concerts.htm. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From Hawkwind801 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 02:09:40 2002 From: Hawkwind801 at AOL.COM (Dale K. Ford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:09:40 EDT Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: I picked up a Lp today at the local record store. It kinda looks like the Hawkwind/Van...Gen LP. One side is Hawkwind, various live, and side B is Jefferson Airplane. I have looked around and not found this on any discographys. Is this a bootlegg? Any value? The cover looks like a Air Force sign. Like it was promoted my the military. Any info would be great...thanks. From DreamWorker at DREAMWORKER.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 04:03:01 2002 From: DreamWorker at DREAMWORKER.CO.UK (DreamWorker) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:03:01 +0100 Subject: Summer fest pics Message-ID: I've uploaded some pics to my site which will give you some idea of what the site in Devon looked like (sadly due to my piss poor timing, they are all when there weren't many people around). http://urban-guerilla.members.beeb.net/Festival.htm Steve will be disappointed that I didn't include any pics of the portaloos which he's made so infamous with his review ...... Cheers. Rob. From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 04:21:43 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:21:43 +1000 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: 2000 and ????. I didn't know that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > Gents > > It was 1975 - I was about 15, when a friend of mine played In Search of > Space, I wasn't quite hooked, but after hearing Hall of the Mountain Grill, > I knew I was in the presence of Greatness. > > Unfortunately Hawkwind have only been to Australia a couple of times - I > truly envy you Englanders. > > Allan Sharpe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > Sounds like we discovered Hawkwind roughly the same time. I was turned on > to Levitation in 1988 - 89. Not excctly sure. I finished high school in 86 > and good ridance to all that bullshit as well. So its been 15 years...... > faark > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 04:29:01 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:29:01 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief flying visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. William > > Gents > > > > It was 1975 - I was about 15, when a friend of mine played In Search of > > Space, I wasn't quite hooked, but after hearing Hall of the Mountain > Grill, > > I knew I was in the presence of Greatness. > > > > Unfortunately Hawkwind have only been to Australia a couple of times - I > > truly envy you Englanders. > > > > Allan Sharpe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:59 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > Sounds like we discovered Hawkwind roughly the same time. I was turned > on > > to Levitation in 1988 - 89. Not excctly sure. I finished high school in > 86 > > and good ridance to all that bullshit as well. So its been 15 years...... > > faark > > > > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Aug 1 05:36:08 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:36:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS WE HAVE HAD NOTICE FROM THE ORGANISERS OF WAR OF THE WORLDS THAT THE GIG PLANNED FOR 31ST AUGUST HAS BEEN POSTPONED: THE EVENT WILL NOW TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR: (MAY 4TH BE WITH YOU) NOTE FROM THE ORGANISERS, RED PLANET PRODUCTIONS: Dear fans of ?The War of the Worlds?, Hawkfans, Sci-fi fans. It is with much regret that we have been forced to postpone our world premier event at Heaton Park Manchester this year. The reason is purely technical. There have been a number of delays in the construction of the Martian Tri-Pods, caused by Health and Safety issues which means that they will not now be ready in time for the show. Whilst we could have provided A show, using just the computer graphics, it would not have been THE show we have all been planning and working so hard to bring you.Your tickets will be valid at any one of the tour dates for next year. A number of venues have still to be decided but we have provided below a list of tour dates and areas we will be performing. The locations are governed solely by the time it goes dusk in each part of the country (which we require for the pyrotechnics) and so will not be changed. If you would still prefer to receive a refund, please call Ticketmaster direct if you booked through them, or if you booked direct from us,then please email us at info at celebrationdisplays.co.uk. Finally, to the many wheelchair users who have written to us. Your comments have all been taken on board. We will ensure that for the 2003 tour, your facilities will be the best they can possibly be. ++ MESSAGE ENDS From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 05:57:19 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:57:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Great Expectations In-Reply-To: Uncle Sam's message of Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: Uncle Sam writes: > Yer, read your review on the Starfarers site very good website, I was the > guy rolling about on the floor!! Hey, I saw you! I was the "Urban Gorilla". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 06:01:12 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:01:12 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP In-Reply-To: Dale K. Ford's message of Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:09:40 EDT Message-ID: Dale K. Ford writes: > I picked up a Lp today at the local record store. It kinda looks like the > Hawkwind/Van...Gen LP. One side is Hawkwind, various live, and side B is > Jefferson Airplane. I have looked around and not found this on any > discographys. Is this a bootlegg? Not if it's genuine, but let's say I'm more than a little surprised at this discovery. Is it for real? > Any value? Well I've offered 800 quid for it before. Hell, I'll do it again: want 800 quid for it? > The cover looks like a Air > Force sign. Like it was promoted my the military. Any info would be > great...thanks. It was a US Air Force LP. If it's genuine it should have Hall of the Mountain Grill tracks on it. Any chance of posting GIFs? FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 06:13:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:13:18 EDT Subject: Space Rock Fun in the land of Ozzzzzzzzzzz Message-ID: A message for Australian space rock fans - and the rest of the world too :) A mini space rock festival is being organised in sunny Queensland for the 1st saturday in Novemeber. I will be posting the details at the "News" section @: http://www.aliendream.net The venue has been booked and preperations for a great light show is being organised. There will be a number of Australian acts doing their thing..... so support the Aussie scene and try to get along. So if you wanna be informed check it out. Alien Dream From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 04:08:39 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:08:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: I CONDEMN YOU Message-ID: (from Peter Hammill, 'In Camera', 1974) "In my youth I played with trains, sometimes I tried to catch the bible... I was the saviour of the nation... to hold my trench against the panzer corps instead of being one who talks... it's the hallmark of adulthood, there are options diminished... in my youth I held belief, my faith and thought was strong... this cornered orange man, a eunuch, would in doubt never cast the dagger from his hand..." - "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" "With my face drained of color and my brain of blood, like Billy Budd I am lashed to the grating... but my comprehensive faculties are impaired, and it seems absurd but now that all I've learned fades in empty words and are worthless, phonetically in reason but delivered with such haste that my mind commences screaming... all the lives of the saints demonstrate that my fate is a minor complaint... I don't want to die in the nave but I know that it will be with me so I got to find a way to save up my energies and find a cause to brave..." - "Faint-Heart And The Sermon" "...laugh and see me laughing through the corridors of power... some see my sign on Caesar... sometimes my face is wrought in darkness, sometimes glimpse me in the shade... some crave of me infinity, some look for me in symbols, some trace my life in stars, some count my ways in numbers, some chronicle my movements, my colors and my clothes... my soul is cast in crystal you can't reveal beneath the night!" - "Gog Magog (In Bromine Chambers)" -Christian aka Charlie Yuga, Anarchy SS Luftwaffe http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 06:51:37 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:51:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their fans, particularly those adults among us who are not virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck about the band except for their music and their more honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have over the years produced a massive quantity of quality and not so quality music for fans of good music of invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to see turn into an operation to target their fans as simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to take a piss at humanity and its repercussions elsewhere like a gentleman. -Charlie Yuga http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 08:04:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:04:18 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: http://www.inflatabledolls.com that'll get ya sorted In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:55:29 AEDT, Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > about the band except for their music and their more > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > -Charlie Yuga > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 08:06:17 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:06:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > fans, errrmmm.....what on earth are you talking about? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 08:08:43 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:08:43 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: eeee's not on earth as we know it...... In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:06:34 AEDT, Keith Barton writes: > Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > fans, > > > > errrmmm.....what on earth are you talking about? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 08:15:03 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?='s message of Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: =?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?= writes: > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > about the band except for their music and their more > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > elsewhere like a gentleman. Ummmm, I think it's time to take your lithium.... FoFP From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 08:13:02 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:13:02 +0100 Subject: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: Right Charlie, Apart from really trying to not loose my fucking temper with your imbecilic messages including the one below, You also seem to have a nasty fucking tendency towards the racist right " previous mails about jews" Can I suggest you please not sent anymore mails... I've not read one that seems even slightly interesting and just filling my mailbox with filth and crap. Who ever in control of this list can we look at getting this peice of excrement removed please I for one find him offensive and obviously works for the wrong side. superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK wrote: >Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their >fans, particularly those adults among us who are not >virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it >metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck >about the band except for their music and their more >honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have >over the years produced a massive quantity of quality >and not so quality music for fans of good music of >invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to >see turn into an operation to target their fans as >simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his >cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for >being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to >take a piss at humanity and its repercussions >elsewhere like a gentleman. > > >-Charlie Yuga >http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > >crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake >speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 1 08:34:34 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:34:34 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave Brock is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > about the band except for their music and their more > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > -Charlie Yuga > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 08:35:43 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:35:43 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: Isn't it called Dragonfly? This came up on BOC-L a little over a year ago. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP > Dale K. Ford writes: > > > I picked up a Lp today at the local record store. It kinda looks like the > > Hawkwind/Van...Gen LP. One side is Hawkwind, various live, and side B is > > Jefferson Airplane. I have looked around and not found this on any > > discographys. Is this a bootlegg? > > Not if it's genuine, but let's say I'm more than a little surprised at > this discovery. Is it for real? > > > Any value? > > Well I've offered 800 quid for it before. Hell, I'll do it again: want > 800 quid for it? > > > The cover looks like a Air > > Force sign. Like it was promoted my the military. Any info would be > > great...thanks. > > It was a US Air Force LP. If it's genuine it should have Hall of the > Mountain Grill tracks on it. > > Any chance of posting GIFs? > > FoFP > > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 1 08:33:34 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:33:34 +1000 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: Gents They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in 2000 but I believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have visited Sydney. Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief flying > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > >> From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 08:57:18 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:57:18 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: He has no idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > fans, > > > > errrmmm.....what on earth are you talking about? From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 09:07:10 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of water. I have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of me. I have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we dont need the toolshed locked and chained. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe Lindas" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave Brock > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > STEPHE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > about the band except for their music and their more > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 09:10:02 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:10:02 +1000 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is releasing cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will check. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > Gents > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in 2000 but I > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have visited > Sydney. > > Allan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief flying > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > >> From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 10:12:02 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:12:02 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Skane" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is releasing > cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will check. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > Gents > > > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in 2000 but > I > > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have visited > > Sydney. > > > > Allan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Duffy" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief flying > > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > > > >> > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 1 10:22:56 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:22:56 +1000 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a fan club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour but if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, won't that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Skane" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is releasing > > cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will check. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > Gents > > > > > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in 2000 > but > > I > > > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have visited > > > Sydney. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "William Duffy" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief > flying > > > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > > > > > >> > > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 1 10:38:37 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:38:37 +0000 Subject: OFFF: still spiked up as fucking Satan and nowhere to go... murder! Message-ID: Yeah mate ' get this jerk off!! Asshole!! >From: "Captain Bl at ck" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFFF: still spiked up as fucking Satan and nowhere to go... > murder! >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:01:16 +0100 > >Is there really any need for this? > >Come back Mike Coleman, all is forgiven. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:56 AM >Subject: OFFF: still spiked up as fucking Satan and nowhere to go... >murder! > > > > That little rat punk Rick Wakeman ripped me off on > > speed again... prick! Break out that crazy fucking Yes > > 7" again... go, archangel, go, go, go!!! Scream > > Dracula, scrrreeeeeaaaaaaammm!!! SNACK!!! > > AAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEAAAAUUURRRRRGGHH!!! > > ...BLOOD!!! > > > > I AM MOTHERFUCKING JESUUUUUUUUS!!! > > > > hellbent for leather, > > -Charlie Yuga > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > ObSpeed: marmelade, makka, kransekaker > > ObSpeedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 10:40:49 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:40:49 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: I was one of the ppl invovled in trying to get that together, but the band were having problems at the time. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a fan > club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour but > if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, won't > that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. > > HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU > > Allan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > > > William > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steven Skane" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is > releasing > > > cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will check. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > Gents > > > > > > > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in 2000 > > but > > > I > > > > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have > visited > > > > Sydney. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "William Duffy" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief > > flying > > > > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 1 10:44:17 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:44:17 +0000 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming fluid...OD and do us all a favour!! >From: Steven Skane >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of water. >I >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of me. I >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we dont >need the toolshed locked and chained. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephe Lindas" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave >Brock > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > > STEPHE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 1 10:44:34 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:44:34 +0000 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming fluid...OD and do us all a favour!! >From: Steven Skane >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of water. >I >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of me. I >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we dont >need the toolshed locked and chained. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephe Lindas" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave >Brock > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > > STEPHE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 11:05:22 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:05:22 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: There was (is?) an Aussie Hawkwind Appreciation Society (Ozhawks) - were you a part of that William? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > I was one of the ppl invovled in trying to get that together, but the band > were having problems at the time. > > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a > fan > > club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour but > > if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, won't > > that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. > > > > HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU > > > > Allan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Duffy" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:12 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > > > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steven Skane" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is > > releasing > > > > cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will check. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gents > > > > > > > > > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in > 2000 > > > but > > > > I > > > > > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have > > visited > > > > > Sydney. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "William Duffy" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief > > > flying > > > > > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 11:10:39 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:10:39 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: I think HW are talking of touring here again next year. Not here in Western Australia (God's country) More likely to be the eastern states. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a fan > club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour but > if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, won't > that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. > > HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU > > Allan From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 11:12:47 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:12:47 +1000 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: I type one little message and I piss you off. Ha ha, good you pathetic uptight braindead clockwork little moron. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan day" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming fluid...OD > and do us all a favour!! > > > >From: Steven Skane > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > > > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is > >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of water. > >I > >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of me. I > >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we dont > >need the toolshed locked and chained. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Stephe Lindas" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave > >Brock > > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > > > STEPHE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 11:14:30 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:14:30 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: Sort of. I was partly involved in trying to get them here, & made a few calls to Doug Smith at the time. I tried to organize it around the time of Swancon, to see if there could be some joint event arranged. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > There was (is?) an Aussie Hawkwind Appreciation Society (Ozhawks) - were you > a part of that William? > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:40 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > I was one of the ppl invovled in trying to get that together, but the band > > were having problems at the time. > > > > William > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:22 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a > > fan > > > club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour > but > > > if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, > won't > > > that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. > > > > > > HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "William Duffy" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware > that > > > > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Steven Skane" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:10 PM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I missed both times. Got the Studio 22 tape. The ABC is > > > releasing > > > > > cd's of the Studio 22 gigs. I think they are compilations. Will > check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Allan Sharpe" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gents > > > > > > > > > > > > They did a tour of New Zealand & a couple of gigs in Australia in > > 2000 > > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > believe they were here sometime in the early 90's & may not have > > > visited > > > > > > Sydney. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "William Duffy" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:29 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were only here once that I know of, & that was a VERY brief > > > > flying > > > > > > > visit to do 1 or 2 gigs in the eastern states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 1 11:18:19 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:18:19 +0800 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: It would be horrible if they didn't come here, but I'm sure we can do something about that to change their mind! William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > I think HW are talking of touring here again next year. Not here in Western > Australia (God's country) More likely to be the eastern states. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Sharpe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > There was a tour planned for Western Australia - something to do with a > fan > > club & it was cancelled. It is good to hear that I did not miss a tour but > > if I have to wait another 25 years, I'll be more than 65 years old, won't > > that be cool. ....unfortunately Harvey & Dave will be somewhat older. > > > > HURRY BACK GUYS....WE MISS YOU > > > > Allan > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 08:56:58 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:56:58 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP In-Reply-To: Bill & Cynthia's message of Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:35:43 +0800 Message-ID: Bill & Cynthia writes: > Isn't it called Dragonfly? This came up on BOC-L a little over a year ago. No, that's the name of a legit Jefferson Starship album. FoFP From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 13:21:10 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:21:10 +0100 Subject: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: I think the best thing for all of us is the "delete" button and the motto "don't feed the troll". Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! > Right Charlie, > > Apart from really trying to not loose my fucking temper with your > imbecilic messages including the one below, You also seem to have a > nasty fucking tendency towards the racist right " previous mails about > jews" > > Can I suggest you please not sent anymore mails... I've not read one > that seems even slightly interesting and just filling my mailbox with > filth and crap. > > Who ever in control of this list can we look at getting this peice of > excrement removed please I for one find him offensive and obviously > works for the wrong side. > > > superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK wrote: > > >Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > >fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > >virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > >metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > >about the band except for their music and their more > >honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > >over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > >and not so quality music for fans of good music of > >invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > >see turn into an operation to target their fans as > >simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > >cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > >being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > >take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > >elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > >-Charlie Yuga > >http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > >crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > >speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Everything you'll ever need on one web page > >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Aug 1 15:41:33 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:41:33 GMT Subject: BRAIN: article Message-ID: from the buckdharma.com interactive cahr board thing: The Brain Surgeons are the subject of a half page article w/ 2 photos on page 3 of the Chicago Tribune weekend section. anyone see this? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 1 15:43:27 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:43:27 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:56:58 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Bill & Cynthia writes: > >> Isn't it called Dragonfly? This came up on BOC-L a little over a year >> ago. > >No, that's the name of a legit Jefferson Starship album. Mike is correct. The tracks on the Jefferson Starship (NOT Airplane!!!) side of the LP are taken from Jefferson Starship 'Dragonfly' LP, and the tracks on the Hawkwind side are taken from 'Hall of the Mountain Grill'. It was manufactured for radio airplay on the US Armed Services radio network (s), and was never "for sale". As a "promo-only" item, it's pretty much as rare or rarer than the one-sided "Sonic Attack" 7" -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 1 15:52:27 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:52:27 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: article In-Reply-To: <200208011941.g71JfWOf005220@mail> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: :Subject: BRAIN: article : :from the buckdharma.com interactive cahr board thing: :The Brain Surgeons are the subject of a half page article w/ 2 photos on :page 3 of the Chicago Tribune weekend section. : :anyone see this? Article is at http://metromix.com/top/1,1419,M-Metromix-Music-0!ArticleDetail-17652,00.html no pics, though. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Aug 1 16:08:15 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:08:15 GMT Subject: BRAIN: article Message-ID: Article is at > http://metromix.com/top/1,1419,M-Metromix-Music-0!ArticleDetail-17652,00.h tml > Thanks! good illuminating (and very teasing, if you read the end) lil' piece. I'll not reveal whose name's still lost, Jason From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 1 16:08:30 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:08:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: Ian's comments below are the most intelligent in this thread so far (although a couple other messages have been almost as amusing as Christian's originals) ... if you don't like what's being said, don't read his messages! There are certainly already people on this list that *I* do that for. And in the absence of Jon Jarrett and Keith Henderson, Christian is certainly posting the most *interesting* messages on the list at the moment (whether or not you "agree" with them). As I see it, people are whining for two primary reasons: 1) the "Hawkwind ripoff" troll. Since plenty of people have complained about Voiceprint, OzIT, Nik, Dave Anderson, and others "ripping off" the fans, that obviously isn't sufficient grounds for banning someone (however, I *do* wish Christian would explain himself since I have no idea what he's talking about, although I know many people [NOT ME!] have been unhappy with, say, 'Glastonbury 90'). 2) referring to Adam Strider as a "jew". Can someone explain the difference between that, and me referring to Christian as a "norwegian". Both are undeniably true statements. (Having said that, I'll have to point out that Adam is one of the nicest folk I've ever met, and his 'zine was/is one of the best I've ever read, with excellent coverage of neo-psych, experimental, and even bits of free jazz and indierock, along with the usual spacerock ... I have no idea what Christian's problem with him - or vice versa - is.) Certainly some of the replies to Christian's messages have been far more offensive and insulting than his original ones, but I'm not calling for a ban of any of *those* people. After all, *he* hasn't referred to anyone as "excrement" or "imbecilic". -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:21:10 +0100, Ian Abrahams wrote: >I think the best thing for all of us is the "delete" button and the motto >"don't feed the troll". > >Ian > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Iain Ferguson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:13 PM >Subject: Re: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! > > >> Right Charlie, >> >> Apart from really trying to not loose my fucking temper with your >> imbecilic messages including the one below, You also seem to have a >> nasty fucking tendency towards the racist right " previous mails about >> jews" >> >> Can I suggest you please not sent anymore mails... I've not read one >> that seems even slightly interesting and just filling my mailbox with >> filth and crap. >> >> Who ever in control of this list can we look at getting this peice of >> excrement removed please I for one find him offensive and obviously >> works for the wrong side. From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Aug 1 16:22:24 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:22:24 -0700 Subject: bad band photos Message-ID: In German, but it doesn't matter... the Altavista translated version made my brain cramp. Positively charming Motorhead pic included... http://www.immerrocknroll.de/bandfoto1.html scorch From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Aug 1 16:36:51 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:36:51 -0400 Subject: bad band photos In-Reply-To: <200208012023.g71KNVh18370@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: John H. McCartney wrote: > In German, but it doesn't matter... the Altavista translated > version made my brain cramp. > > Positively charming Motorhead pic included... > > > http://www.immerrocknroll.de/bandfoto1.html Here's some fun--spot Bobby Rondinelli (and his mountain of hair), as well as '80s BOC. They forgot the back cover of the Mirrors album though.... Brian NP> The Lucky Bishops "Grimstone" From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 16:37:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:37:37 +0100 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: I think he was having a go at Mr Embalmer -not you. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Skane" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > I type one little message and I piss you off. Ha ha, good you pathetic > uptight braindead clockwork little moron. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alan day" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > > > You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming > fluid...OD > > and do us all a favour!! > > > > > > >From: Steven Skane > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > > > > > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is > > >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of > water. > > >I > > >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of me. I > > >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we dont > > >need the toolshed locked and chained. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Stephe Lindas" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > > > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave > > >Brock > > > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > > > > STEPHE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 1 16:44:34 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! In-Reply-To: <200208012008.QAA23447@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! : [snip] :As I see it, people are whining for two primary reasons: :1) the "Hawkwind ripoff" troll. Since plenty of people have complained :about Voiceprint, OzIT, Nik, Dave Anderson, and others "ripping off" the :fans, that obviously isn't sufficient grounds for banning someone (however, :I *do* wish Christian would explain himself since I have no idea what he's :talking about, although I know many people [NOT ME!] have been unhappy :with, say, 'Glastonbury 90'). I think it's your latter point that is the issue here. Christian posted an attack without any reference....which does come off as fairly offensive. :2) referring to Adam Strider as a "jew". Can someone explain the :difference between that, and me referring to Christian as a "norwegian". :Both are undeniably true statements. (Having said that, I'll have to point :out that Adam is one of the nicest folk I've ever met, and his 'zine was/is :one of the best I've ever read, with excellent coverage of neo-psych, :experimental, and even bits of free jazz and indierock, along with the :usual spacerock ... I have no idea what Christian's problem with him - or :vice versa - is.) Mostly, Christian referred to Adam as "that jew kid", which is walking the line of antisemitic (in tone. imho, "jew kid" is antisemitic slang) Your comparison isn't really dead on, as "norwegian" is a nationality, while "jew" is a religious affiliation (or possibly connoting a share ethnicity of a certain type.) Also, "norwegian" isn't really a nasty epithet, but "jew" (rather than "jewish") can be. In addition, in Christian's OFF: Rotten to the Core post (http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0207e&L=boc-l&F=&S=&P=5766) had this line: "Whatever connection the now defunct Daredevils have to the Catholic Church of England or even judaism as far as tactics of blackmail goes are doubtful in honest intentions to say the least." So, at least this one was also denigrating the Catholic Church of England as well. (lol). Admittedly, I am hypersensitive to such (being of Jewish extraction myself), but I can certainly see where Christian's posts can be construed as offensive. (Indeed, *I* parsed them as such, but just resigned them to /dev/null.) :Certainly some of the replies to Christian's messages have been far more :offensive and insulting than his original ones, but I'm not calling for a :ban of any of *those* people. After all, *he* hasn't referred to anyone :as "excrement" or "imbecilic". Banning or not banning anyone would be odd on this list, as we don't have any "official" rules on here, do we? I think politeness and courtesy should be de rigeur, and possibly some of the followups were a bit extreme, but provocation was there. So why not let sleeping trolls lie, and move on ;-) Anyway. I wasn't going to follow this up, but I felt a need to be defensive. My 2 cents, and I think I will follow Ian's advice from earlier in the thread, and hopefully this thread will just die now ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 17:16:17 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:16:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: OK - here goes:. Both statements are (I assume) true, rather than just statements used as insults. Unfortunately, over the years, the Jewish nation/religion/however you want to descibe jewish people have been portrayed as Shylock. There is also the fantastically obvious "Protocols of The Elders Of Zion" fake, which right wing groups have used as "truth" for many years. The jewish people have been persecuted over many centuries, and "jew" has become a perjorative term. I don't believe "Norwegian" ever has. Persecution of anyone is wrong - allow me to elaborate. Why should someone's background, by way of religion or nationality, be a cause for abuse? I don't give a flying fuck whether Adam is Jewish, American, Welsh, French, or hairy arsed Martian. The fact remains, hatred is not acceptable in any circumstance - this is 2002 for God's sake (whoever your God may be). There is no place for this kind of attitude in this day and age, particularly in a forum which is meant for music discussion. Having read the comments leading to this response, my wife opines that in 50 years time - the people holding these views will have some uncomfortable home truths to face. 'Convenient' racism will come home to roost when the holders of these views have 'a jew' or a 'Norwegian' or anyone outside of their own religion/culture marry into their family. The whole philosophy is summarised with the typically British phrase (and my apologies to our American friends, who may need this translating) "We'd none of us win Crufts"!! Cheers Rich. (and Gill!) > 2) referring to Adam Strider as a "jew". Can someone explain the > difference between that, and me referring to Christian as a "norwegian". From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 17:35:50 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:35:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed Message-ID: Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I was not going to be able to get to the gig on the 31st! Yeeehaaaa Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed ++STAR WARRIORS WE HAVE HAD NOTICE FROM THE ORGANISERS OF WAR OF THE WORLDS THAT THE GIG PLANNED FOR 31ST AUGUST HAS BEEN POSTPONED: THE EVENT WILL NOW TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR: (MAY 4TH BE WITH YOU) NOTE FROM THE ORGANISERS, RED PLANET PRODUCTIONS: Dear fans of "The War of the Worlds", Hawkfans, Sci-fi fans. It is with much regret that we have been forced to postpone our world premier event at Heaton Park Manchester this year. The reason is purely technical. There have been a number of delays in the construction of the Martian Tri-Pods, caused by Health and Safety issues which means that they will not now be ready in time for the show. Whilst we could have provided A show, using just the computer graphics, it would not have been THE show we have all been planning and working so hard to bring you.Your tickets will be valid at any one of the tour dates for next year. A number of venues have still to be decided but we have provided below a list of tour dates and areas we will be performing. The locations are governed solely by the time it goes dusk in each part of the country (which we require for the pyrotechnics) and so will not be changed. If you would still prefer to receive a refund, please call Ticketmaster direct if you booked through them, or if you booked direct from us,then please email us at info at celebrationdisplays.co.uk. Finally, to the many wheelchair users who have written to us. Your comments have all been taken on board. We will ensure that for the 2003 tour, your facilities will be the best they can possibly be. ++ MESSAGE ENDS From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 1 18:06:08 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:06:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed Message-ID: Thats good. Maybe now I can plan my summer trip for next year. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed > Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I was not going to be able to get to the gig > on the 31st! > > Yeeehaaaa > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Rx" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Martian Invasion Postponed > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > WE HAVE HAD NOTICE FROM THE ORGANISERS OF WAR OF THE WORLDS THAT THE GIG > PLANNED FOR 31ST AUGUST HAS BEEN POSTPONED: THE EVENT WILL NOW TAKE PLACE > NEXT YEAR: (MAY 4TH BE WITH YOU) > > NOTE FROM THE ORGANISERS, RED PLANET PRODUCTIONS: > Dear fans of "The War of the Worlds", Hawkfans, Sci-fi fans. It is with much > regret that we have been forced to postpone our world premier event at > Heaton Park Manchester this year. The reason is purely technical. There have > been a number of delays in the construction of the Martian Tri-Pods, caused > by Health and Safety issues which means that they will not now be ready in > time for the show. Whilst we could have provided A show, using just the > computer graphics, it would not have been THE show we have all been planning > and working so hard to bring you.Your tickets will be valid at any one of > the tour dates for next year. A number of venues have still to be decided > but we have provided below a list of tour dates and areas we will be > performing. The locations are governed solely by the time it goes dusk in > each part of the country (which we require for the pyrotechnics) and so will > not be changed. If you would still prefer to receive a refund, please call > Ticketmaster direct if you booked through them, or if you booked direct from > us,then please email us at info at celebrationdisplays.co.uk. > > Finally, to the many wheelchair users who have written to us. Your comments > have all been taken on board. We will ensure that for the 2003 tour, your > facilities will be the best they can possibly be. > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Aug 1 23:14:11 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:14:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! In-Reply-To: <200208012008.QAA23447@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:08:30PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: => Ian's comments below are the most intelligent in this thread so far => (although a couple other messages have been almost as amusing as => Christian's originals) ... if you don't like what's being said, don't read => his messages! There are certainly already people on this list that *I* do => that for. I agree: Use your filter rules, it's what they are for! (He joined my killfile.rc procmail rule set when I decided after about the fifth opaque posting in a row that I really didn't want to spend the time deleting this manually. Of course now I have to do so anyway, because so many people are quoting his messages in their angry replies...) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mlawrenc at AU1.IBM.COM Thu Aug 1 23:23:13 2002 From: mlawrenc at AU1.IBM.COM (Marty Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:23:13 -0400 Subject: HW:Hawkwind in Australia. Message-ID: Hi Hawkwind were mean't to come to Australia in '78 part of a world tour, but it fell thru. When they toured in 2000, they played on the east coast only at :- Byron Bay,Sydney Metro & ABC Studio 22 and they also played at a festival in NSW. I have just checked the ABC website and alas the Studio 22 CD , doesn't contain any HW tracks. There was a high quality VHS tape available of the transmitted STudio 22 session at one time from the ABC, but don't know if it's available now ? Ozhawks was formed by Paul Ward(sonique), there was a web page, but Paul didn't post anything after the band toured. There was an appreciation night in Melbourne with around 30 people attending,which was fun , chatting to other fans over a beer , paul played lots of Hawkwind and spinoff material. The guy who organised the AUS/NZ tour knew the band,and there was talk of them coming back early 2001, to include Melbourne & Adelaide, I believe that he is now back in the UK ? To the BAND PLEASE come back and play here again, it was great to see you. Marty From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 23:30:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:30:53 EDT Subject: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:28:08 AEDT, Stephe Lindas writes: > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took your > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? Dave Brock > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. Cheers > STEPHE Aint that the truth. From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Aug 1 23:37:17 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:37:17 -0700 Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've posted some photos here: http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291543871 Disclaimer: also contains boring vacation pictures, as well as one looking up my nose. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 23:46:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:46:02 EDT Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:13:56 AEDT, William Duffy writes: > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > William That was my understanding as well. and the word was that Feb 2000 was the first time in Australia. Im pretty sure they even mention that on the studio 22 broadcast. Michael From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 00:04:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:04:13 EDT Subject: HW:Hawkwind in Australia. Message-ID: Melbourne and Adelaide? You tease, surely? Yes come to Adelaide!! In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:23:37 AEDT, Marty Lawrence writes: > Hi > Hawkwind were mean't to come to Australia in '78 part of a world tour, but > it fell thru. > When they toured in 2000, they played on the east coast only at :- > Byron Bay,Sydney Metro & ABC Studio 22 and they also played at a festival in > NSW. > I have just checked the ABC website and alas the Studio 22 CD , doesn't > contain any HW tracks. > There was a high quality VHS tape available of the transmitted STudio 22 > session at one time from the ABC, but don't know if it's available now ? > Ozhawks was formed by Paul Ward(sonique), there was a web page, but Paul > didn't post anything after the band toured. > There was an appreciation night in Melbourne with around 30 people > attending,which was fun , chatting to other fans over a beer , paul played > lots of Hawkwind and spinoff material. > The guy who organised the AUS/NZ tour knew the band,and there was talk of > them coming back early 2001, to include Melbourne & Adelaide, I believe > that he is now back in the UK ? > > To the BAND PLEASE come back and play here again, it was great to see you. > > Marty From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 2 00:24:52 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:24:52 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: Mike wrote: > No, that's the name of a legit Jefferson Starship album. > I actually have that album :-) I thought it was one side of that album and Hawkwind on the other. Can anyone tell us the JS tracks? Cheers Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 2 00:28:52 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:28:52 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: Doug wrote: > Mike is correct. The tracks on the Jefferson Starship (NOT Airplane!!!) > side of the LP are taken from Jefferson Starship 'Dragonfly' LP, and the > tracks on the Hawkwind side are taken from 'Hall of the Mountain Grill'. > > It was manufactured for radio airplay on the US Armed Services radio network > (s), and was never "for sale". As a "promo-only" item, it's pretty much as > rare or rarer than the one-sided "Sonic Attack" 7" I might join the US army if they play good music like that :-) Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 2 00:46:15 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:46:15 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: I wrote (before reading all the posts) > I actually have that album :-) I thought it was one side of that album and > Hawkwind on the other. Can anyone tell us the JS tracks? > > Cheers > Bill > Disregard this message... Brain fade brain fade.... From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Fri Aug 2 04:13:25 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:13:25 +1000 Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: Once was what I thought and I only knew that after checking the TVprogram to see what was on Studio 22 that week. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:13:56 AEDT, William Duffy writes: > > > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > > > William > > That was my understanding as well. and the word was that Feb 2000 was the first time in Australia. Im pretty sure they even mention that on the studio 22 broadcast. > > Michael From DreamWorker at DREAMWORKER.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 04:27:02 2002 From: DreamWorker at DREAMWORKER.CO.UK (DreamWorker) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:27:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos Message-ID: Great pics, Kevin. I took some but I didn't have my photography head on and they came out utterly shite. Cheers. Rob. ----- Original Message ----- From: KevinSommers To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:37 AM Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos > I've posted some photos here: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291543871 > Disclaimer: also contains boring vacation pictures, as well as one looking > up my nose. > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 07:09:40 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:09:40 EDT Subject: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind Message-ID: When I discovered the original Hawkwind .com or whatever it was called (sorry guys who designed it) I made a point of checking it regularly (religously) for any news of a potential Oz tour. When I learned they had considered coming in 99 (I think) I checked the site even more fervently. As well as begging them to let me know if there was any news. After about six months of that I got lazy and stopped altogether. It was on the night of the very last Oz concert that I happened to look up the site again and discover to my horror that yes. Hawkwind were indeed in Australia. So the moral to this story is: Dont be a slack fuckin hawkwind fan. Especially if you have a "fan site" Make every effort to spread the word of upcoming concerts. Put ads in the paper. Hire an old bi-plane to fly in your city with a HUGE fuckin banner that reads: Hawkwind in your area {Date inserted} etc. If you are a pimp with lots of bitches get ads tattood on your employees asses. Whatever!! Thats all I have to say about that....... In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:13:16 AEDT, Steven Skane writes: > Once was what I thought and I only knew that after checking the TVprogram to > see what was on Studio 22 that week. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: HW: 15 years of Hawkwind > > > > In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:13:56 AEDT, William Duffy > writes: > > > > > I know they planned to visit prior to 2000, but as far as I'm aware that > > > tour was cancelled. I think they've only been here the once? > > > > > > William > > > > That was my understanding as well. and the word was that Feb 2000 was the > first time in Australia. Im pretty sure they even mention that on the > studio 22 broadcast. > > > > Michael From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 2 08:35:30 2002 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:35:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos Message-ID: I walked passed you! Good photos. On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:37:17 -0700, KevinSommers wrote: >I've posted some photos here: >http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291543871 >Disclaimer: also contains boring vacation pictures, as well as one looking >up my nose. > > >KevinSommers >"Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 09:42:13 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:42:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! In-Reply-To: <200208020900.FAA27348@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Iain Ferguson wrote: > > Right Charlie, > > > > Apart from really trying to not loose my fucking > temper with your > > imbecilic messages including the one below, You > also seem to have a > > nasty fucking tendency towards the racist right " > previous mails about > > jews" Well, 6 million of them were gassed by Nazi Germany, so they must have been onto something. > > > > Can I suggest you please not sent anymore mails... > I've not read one > > that seems even slightly interesting and just > filling my mailbox with > > filth and crap. Well, I've been on and off this list since 1996 with very few complaints until your voiced complaint of disgust with my person and approach, though your anger demonstrates at least a healthy and youthful modicum of hatred with applaudable maturity and honesty. I shall take your words into consideration if nothing else. > > > > Who ever in control of this list can we look at > getting this peice of > > excrement removed please I for one find him > offensive and obviously > > works for the wrong side. You messin' with Elric turf? -Chr. http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Aug 2 10:07:43 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:07:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: Wrong side? there is a wrong side? Hmm I must of missed that Ken In the Dark I see him his power is my drug Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > > > Who ever in control of this list can we look at > > getting this peice of > > > excrement removed please I for one find him > > offensive and obviously > > > works for the wrong side. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 10:32:02 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:32:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 30th anniversary radio broadcast playlist Message-ID: boc-l, Go to http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/playlist.html for the Hawkwind 30th anniversary radio broadcast on Uh?rt, RadiOrakel in Oslo, which I compiled and hosted in 1999, my playlist the latest addition to the Hawkwind Electric Library along with the much publicised Michael Moorcock Comics Index, which probably needs updating. I am looking to acquiring CDR copies of the show for archive and trading purposes, and if anyone is interested in copies, let me know as soon as possible so I can put you up on my list. I am going on the air for a Peter Hammill special this coming Sunday, so requests for CDRs of the Hawkwind show should be in my hands by then. -Christian http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 11:07:24 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:07:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: I have never been a true Blue Oyster Cult fan, even though I like their Moorcock material because I have been a Hawkwind deadhead since 1988 and a band I have collected nearly 150 CD's from over the years. As for BOC albums, their "Extra Terrestrial Live" album and the "Workshop of The Telescopes" 'best of' set are, as far as I go recommending their studio stuff, which I otherwise find rather patchy in comparison to Hawkwind's output, rather excellent. I also recommend BOC's "Live 1976" set as an essential purchase, though. -Christian officer #666, Hawkwind politiet http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 11:43:42 2002 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:43:42 +0100 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! In-Reply-To: <20020802150724.48864.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I also recommend >BOC's "Live 1976" set as an essential purchase, >though. That's one BOC CD I don't own - though I do have the video - does the CD suffer from the same sound problems as the video? -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/blogger.shtml From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Aug 2 12:23:33 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:23:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: Nope ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hall" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! > Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > > I also recommend > >BOC's "Live 1976" set as an essential purchase, > >though. > > That's one BOC CD I don't own - though I do have the video - does the > CD suffer from the same sound problems as the video? > -- > Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com > Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/blogger.shtml From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 12:40:10 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:40:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: >> I also recommend >>BOC's "Live 1976" set as an essential purchase, >>though. >That's one BOC CD I don't own - though I do have the >video - does the >CD suffer from the same sound problems as the video? It fades in and out at the end of 'Born To Be Wild' and I suppose the sound isn't perfect and a bit muddy overall, but Eric Bloom's rousing calls to arms and patriotic ramblings make the CD a classic, IMO. I'd love a copy of the video if some sort of trade could be made. Anyone? >-- >Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com >Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/blogger.shtml Chr. http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 2 15:57:40 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:57:40 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:28:52 +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: >Doug wrote: >> It was manufactured for radio airplay on the US Armed Services radio >> network(s), and was never "for sale". > >I might join the US army if they play good music like that :-) Actually, as I understand it, a lot of the musicians in the original "British Invasion" bands were first exposed to American rock&roll via the US Armed Services radio station in Luxembourg (fortunately, you didn't have to join up to tune in ;^). And my German copy of 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' (and a few 7"s) allegedly came from the Radio Free Europe library, so I have to picture the oppressed youth of the Eastern Bloc being enticed to defect to the west so they could see the band performing "Magnu" ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 2 16:08:07 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:43:42 +0100, Tim Hall wrote: >Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > >> I also recommend >>BOC's "Live 1976" set as an essential purchase, >>though. > >That's one BOC CD I don't own - though I do have the video - does the >CD suffer from the same sound problems as the video? I haven't seen the video, but there are definitely some sound issues with the live CD, especially with the bass guitar (it alternates between being a boomy thud that dominates the mix and a tinny, near non-existent sound). Some of the other levels fluctuate a bit too, but it's not that bad. I like the performance so much that I once did a recitation of Eric's "oppressive drug laws/55 mph speed limit" rap when one of my old bands covered "Dominance and Submission" (except that I had to change "all fourteen or fifteen thousand of you" to "all fourteen or fifteen of you"). Also, Al's synthesized/processed drum solos is one of the coolest things I've ever heard (and ordinarily I HATE drum solos). Also vaguely BOC-related ... last week I saw Mission of Burma's reunion show in SF (INcredible! Totally smoking!), with Mike Watt opening. Watt and his trio (organ/drums) closed the set with a great version of "The Red and the Black" (granted, not a surprise). The organ player had the great Hammond sound that Allen frequently used, and since there was no guitar player, Watt was pretty amazing at trying to play Joe's AND Buck's parts simultaneously (they also did a fine version of Roky Erickson's "Sweet Honey Pie") ... (And also, on saturday, an acquaintence who's in a great band showed me his *serious* "Tattooed Vampire" tattoo [complete with a few lyrics, the Chronos symbol, and a bunch more BOC imagery] ... I'm gonna have to get a photo of that sometime.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 21:46:55 2002 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:46:55 EDT Subject: OFF: superskull 666-achtung nazi scumbags Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/02 8:48:19 AM, superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: << Iain Ferguson wrote: > > Right Charlie, > > > > Apart from really trying to not loose my fucking > temper with your > > imbecilic messages including the one below, You > also seem to have a > > nasty fucking tendency towards the racist right " > previous mails about > > jews" Well, 6 million of them were gassed by Nazi Germany, so they must have been onto something. >> I'm really tired of reading this racist hate mongering on this list. Is anybody paying any attention to what Christian is saying here. Constant Nazi references, SS parties jokes, references to dressing up as Hitler. He calls a wonderful nice person like Adam Strider a "jew kid" and some of you try to defend it as misuse of an adjective. Come on. Wake up, here. It's not Berlin 1940 is it? And by the way, in his latest appearance Elric kicks major Nazi butts, and I'm sure he'd revel in a chance to drink Charlie Yuga aka Supers kull666 aka Christian Mumford's racist anti-semitic soul. I hope this crap will cease. Yours Eli "Jewish kid" Friedman From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 22:28:52 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:28:52 EDT Subject: HW: and Related FS Message-ID: (Sorry, Tim Harper, I gave you first shot, but those e-mails bounced...) next batch... All titles US, unless otherwise noted (or unless I couldn't tell) cover/sound $4.50 postage for any amount HAWKWIND and Ralated: Hawkwind-- PXR 5, Charisma Aus.'79, gov't warning, no sticker Ring-wear and Spine-wear, sound: M- $7 Hawkwind-- PXR 5, Charisma UK '84, no sticker/warning VG+/M- $7 HAWKLORDS-- 25 Years On, Charisma 0798 '78 Vg/Ex, White-label promo (but then they all seem to be...), promo stamp on back cover, Ringwear $8 HAWKWIND--Hall Of The Mountain Grill UA LA-328-6 '74 Vg/Vg+ $6 HAWKWIND--Quark, Strangeness & Charm, Charisma 9124012 '77 Vg+/Ex, AUSTRALIAN, RW $8 Robert Calvert-- Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters, BGO '74 gatefold ring-wear, spine-wear, some ticking, sticker-tear on back cover, promo punch-hole lower-right front cover $7 Steve Swindells-- Fresh Blood, Atco '80, promo punch-hole upper-right cover, ring-wear, creasing, M- sound $5 Tangerine Dream-- Alpha Centauri/Atem 2-fer double-LP gatefold, Virgin UK '76, promo saw-cut, some ticking (well, it is quiet stuff...), ring-wear, spine-wear, tears on labels $7 Tangerine Dream-- Zeit, double-LP gatefold, Relativity '85, ring-wear, some ticking $8 Tangerine Dream--Phaedra, Virgin '74, gatefold, ringwear, spinewear, front-cover sticker-tear, ticking $3 Voco Kesh/ST 37 "Derobe" split LP, RRRecords, some ticking ST 37 side, ringwear $7 Vas Deferens Organization-- Saturation, Aether '96, VG++/M- $7 Vas Deferens Organization-- Zyzzybaloubah, Aether '97, VG++/M- $8 ST 37 "Crab Nebula/Gypsy's Curse" 7" Prospective '94 $3 GROBSCHNITT--Rockpommel's Land, Brain 60041 '77, GERMAN, GF, lyric sheet, small tear/crease at edge of cover, Ex/Ex $15 STEVE HILLAGE--Fish Rising, Virgin, V-2031, '75, ENGLISH, Ex/Ex $8 PS: check here for a few more titles not listed here... also, have a few spare HW CD's, the early One-Way non-remastered stuff, etc...thanks, need to pay the bills... :) thanks, Chuck From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Aug 3 02:12:05 2002 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:12:05 -0400 Subject: HW: and Related FS Message-ID: From: "Chuck Rosenberg" > (Sorry, Tim Harper, I gave you first shot, but those e-mails bounced...) > > next batch... > > All titles US, unless otherwise noted (or unless I couldn't tell) > cover/sound > $4.50 postage for any amount Do you still have these? (did a copy and paste from website, hope it comes thru ok). $125 if I added right. > Vas Deferens Organization-- Saturation, Aether '96, VG++/M- $7 > Vas Deferens Organization-- Zyzzybaloubah, Aether '97, VG++/M- $8 > ST 37 "Crab Nebula/Gypsy's Curse" 7" Prospective '94 $3 AGENT ORANGE--This Is The Voice, Enigma, ST-73209, front cover SIGNED by all three members, some markings on label, EX/M- $15 THE ASSOCIATION--Same Warner Bros. 1800 '69 Vg+/Vg-, GF, lyric sheet, RW, fog, small dents by right front cover $5 BLUE OYSTER CULT--Same Columbia PC-1063 '72 Vg/Vg+, RW $4 BLUE OYSTER CULT--Agents Of Fortune Columbia PC-34164 '76 Vg-/Ex, GF, considerable RW/fog, $1 BLUE OYSTER CULT--On Your Feet...Or On Your Knees Columbia PG-3337 '75 Vg/Ex, considerable RW, bent corner, DLP, GF $3 FAMILY--Fearless, Reprise, K-54003, '71 Vg-/Vg, GERMAN, fancy multi-fold cover, lyric sheet, w/JOHN WETTON, back-cover RW, some tearing along upper seam, some ticking side 1, side 2 is clean $12 GENTLE GIANT--Playing The Fool-Live Capitol '77 Vg-/1st record: Vg-,2nd record: Vg, DLP, GF, clean hole punch in corner, RW, crease in cover $5 GROBSCHNITT--Rockpommel's Land Brain 60041 '77, GERMAN, GF, lyric sheet, small tear/crease at edge of cover, Ex/Ex $15 JETHRO TULL--Songs From The Wood Crysalis CHR-1132 '77 Vg/M-, RW, slight creasing near spine, some wear on spine $1 JETHRO TULL--Heavy Horses Crysalis CHR-1175 '78 Vg/Ex, RW, slight wear on spine, fog $1 LITTLE FEAT--Feats Don't Fail Me Now Warner Bros. BS-2784 '74 Vg-/M-, considerable RW, fog, some spine-wear $2 LITTLE FEAT--Time Loves A Hero Warner Bros. 3015 '77 Vg/Ex, RW, spine-wear $2 LITTLE FEAT--Waiting For Columbus Warner Bros. 2BS-3140 '78 Vg/Ex, considerable RW, creases by bottom corners, worn corners $3 MAHOGANY RUSH--Strange Universe 20th Century T-482 '75 Vg-/Ex, GF, considerable RW/Spine-wear $5 JOHN MAYALL--Looking Back London PS-562 '69 Vg+/Vg+, (w/JACK BRUCE, E. CLAPTON, ANSLEY DUNBAR, M. FLEETWOOD, JOHN MCVIE, MICK TAYLOR, ETC.), RW $7 JEAN-LUC PONTY--Aurora Atlantic SD-18163 '76 Vg/Ex, RW, fog, some spine wear, one bumped corner $2 QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE--Happy Trails Capitol ST-120 '69 Vg-/Vg+, considerable RW and fog, bottom spine worn $3 QUICKSILVER--Shady Grove Capitol SKAO-391 (orig. issue) '69 Vg/Vg+, GF, RW/spine-wear/corner-wear, few loud ticks $6 TEN YEARS AFTER--A Space In Time Columbia PC-30801 '71 Vg+/Vg, slight RW $3 ROBIN TROWER--Bridge Of Sighs Crysalis CHB-1057 '74 M-/Ex, orig. sealing still on $3 MILES DAVIS--Milestones Columbia PC-9428 date? Vg/Ex, RW, spine-wear, sticker top left cover $1 MIKE OLDFIELD--Ommadawn Virgin PZ-33913 '75 Ex/Vg+, orig. sealing still on, corner-wear, bottom spine scuff, initials of previous owner front right cover $2 ANDREAS VOLLENWEIDER--White Winds CBS FM-39963 '84 M-/Ex, orig. sealing still on $1 Jerry From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 3 13:57:28 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:57:28 -0300 Subject: OEBs pix from Hawkfest? Message-ID: Hi I was wondering if anyone got off any shots of my band 'The One Eyed Bishops'? I want to update my website and if you have a picture, you would let me use, obviously I'll cite you as photographer. Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkwind Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Summer Camp Subject: Re: Re: HW: Hastings > Hawkwind played for 2 hours, 9.00pm until just after 11.00pm when council > restrictions stopped play. > The council would only allow music licence from 6.00. we pushed it playing > at 5 and also having various amplified music all day around the site plus > soundchecks! > > Sorry if you feel you wasted ?50, everyone I spoke to thoroughly enjoyed it. > > Also Dave does not have a bus! > > Maybe we were all at a different festival????? > > Kris . ----- Original Message ----- From: Jobson, Eddie To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hastings Didn't go to Hastings but spoke to Tim at the Summer Camp and the band were aware of the sound problems at Hastings. The set list seems similar to what was played in Devon, but did seem short. Huw turned up at the last minute, but was wasted and I couldn't hear his guitar too much anyway. I thought Dave and Alan held it together and seemed to be enjoying themselves. Apparently the local council restricted the music up 'til 11pm only, if that was the case why didn't everything start earlier rather than around 5pm. It was a poor turn out and for ?50 plus petrol etc would have like to have seen more than an hour of HW, unless it was longer than that and time flew? Weather was good though and it was nice talking to the band and Dave's bus is something else! My twopenneth, Eddie. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 3 14:21:19 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:21:19 -0300 Subject: HW: OEB's pix from Hawkfest Message-ID: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone got any shots off of my band 'The one Eyed Bishops' at Hawkfest? I am going to update my website, and any pics would be appreciated. Naturally I will cite you as photographer...Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkwind Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Summer Camp Subject: Re: Re: HW: Hastings > Hawkwind played for 2 hours, 9.00pm until just after 11.00pm when council > restrictions stopped play. > The council would only allow music licence from 6.00. we pushed it playing > at 5 and also having various amplified music all day around the site plus > soundchecks! > > Sorry if you feel you wasted ?50, everyone I spoke to thoroughly enjoyed it. > > Also Dave does not have a bus! > > Maybe we were all at a different festival????? > > Kris . ----- Original Message ----- From: Jobson, Eddie To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hastings Didn't go to Hastings but spoke to Tim at the Summer Camp and the band were aware of the sound problems at Hastings. The set list seems similar to what was played in Devon, but did seem short. Huw turned up at the last minute, but was wasted and I couldn't hear his guitar too much anyway. I thought Dave and Alan held it together and seemed to be enjoying themselves. Apparently the local council restricted the music up 'til 11pm only, if that was the case why didn't everything start earlier rather than around 5pm. It was a poor turn out and for ?50 plus petrol etc would have like to have seen more than an hour of HW, unless it was longer than that and time flew? Weather was good though and it was nice talking to the band and Dave's bus is something else! My twopenneth, Eddie. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sat Aug 3 19:40:41 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:40:41 +0100 Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Message-ID: Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called Hawkwind finished second in the 16:25 at Goodwood (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood festival)? The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. Wonder where they got the name from? Probably those poets or the Daniel Lanois song! Mark From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 3 21:40:45 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:40:45 EDT Subject: HW: and Related FS Message-ID: Are these all cd? I would love to have: pxr5 charisma QSC anyway In a message dated Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:29:39 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > (Sorry, Tim Harper, I gave you first shot, but those e-mails bounced...) > > next batch... > > All titles US, unless otherwise noted (or unless I couldn't tell) > cover/sound > $4.50 postage for any amount > HAWKWIND and Ralated: > > Hawkwind-- PXR 5, Charisma Aus.'79, gov't warning, no sticker > Ring-wear and Spine-wear, sound: M- $7 > Hawkwind-- PXR 5, Charisma UK '84, no sticker/warning > VG+/M- $7 > HAWKLORDS-- 25 Years On, Charisma 0798 '78 Vg/Ex, White-label promo (but then > they all seem to be...), promo stamp on back cover, Ringwear $8 > HAWKWIND--Hall Of The Mountain Grill UA LA-328-6 '74 Vg/Vg+ $6 > HAWKWIND--Quark, Strangeness & Charm, Charisma 9124012 '77 Vg+/Ex, > AUSTRALIAN, RW $8 > Robert Calvert-- Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters, BGO '74 gatefold > ring-wear, spine-wear, some ticking, sticker-tear on back cover, promo > punch-hole lower-right front cover $7 > Steve Swindells-- Fresh Blood, Atco '80, promo punch-hole upper-right cover, > ring-wear, creasing, M- sound $5 > > Tangerine Dream-- Alpha Centauri/Atem 2-fer double-LP gatefold, Virgin UK > '76, promo saw-cut, some ticking (well, it is quiet stuff...), ring-wear, > spine-wear, tears on labels $7 > Tangerine Dream-- Zeit, double-LP gatefold, Relativity '85, ring-wear, some > ticking $8 > Tangerine Dream--Phaedra, Virgin '74, gatefold, ringwear, spinewear, > front-cover sticker-tear, ticking $3 > > Voco Kesh/ST 37 "Derobe" split LP, RRRecords, some ticking ST 37 side, > ringwear $7 > Vas Deferens Organization-- Saturation, Aether '96, VG++/M- $7 > Vas Deferens Organization-- Zyzzybaloubah, Aether '97, VG++/M- $8 > ST 37 "Crab Nebula/Gypsy's Curse" 7" Prospective '94 $3 > > GROBSCHNITT--Rockpommel's Land, Brain 60041 '77, GERMAN, GF, lyric sheet, > small tear/crease at edge of cover, Ex/Ex $15 > STEVE HILLAGE--Fish Rising, Virgin, V-2031, '75, ENGLISH, Ex/Ex $8 > > PS: check here for a few more titles not > listed here... also, have a few spare HW CD's, the early One-Way > non-remastered stuff, etc...thanks, need to pay the bills... :) > > thanks, Chuck From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 4 02:04:12 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:04:12 +0100 Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Message-ID: I think this horse is called "Hawk Wing"... Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called Hawkwind finished second in the 16:25 at Goodwood (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood festival)? The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. Wonder where they got the name from? Probably those poets or the Daniel Lanois song! Mark From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Sun Aug 4 04:06:50 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:06:50 +0100 Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Message-ID: No it is not Hawk Wing. The commentator made that mistake and then corrected himself. He said that is HAWKWIND - not Hawk Wing. I checked the race listings later that night just to make sure. Wish I'd had a bet. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: Re: HW:Whats in A Name > I think this horse is called "Hawk Wing"... > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Von Bargen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:40 AM > Subject: HW:Whats in A Name > > > Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called Hawkwind finished second in > the 16:25 at Goodwood (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood > festival)? > > The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. Wonder where they got the > name from? Probably those poets or the Daniel Lanois song! > > Mark > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sun Aug 4 07:10:37 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:10:37 +0800 Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Message-ID: Did Magnu come first? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Von Bargen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: HW:Whats in A Name Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called Hawkwind finished second in the 16:25 at Goodwood (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood festival)? The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. Wonder where they got the name from? Probably those poets or the Daniel Lanois song! Mark From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 4 08:18:51 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:18:51 +0100 Subject: Fw: Re: HW:Whats in A Name Message-ID: Mark, thanks for the correction - you are quite right. I'd heard "Hawkwind" when actually it was Hawk Wing running a few times before - this time it actually was "Hawkwind". Good coincidence bet which ever horse runs! Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Von Bargen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: HW:Whats in A Name > > > > No it is not Hawk Wing. > > The commentator made that mistake and then corrected himself. He said that > > is HAWKWIND - not Hawk Wing. I checked the race listings later that night > > just to make sure. Wish I'd had a bet. > > > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Abrahams" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:04 AM > > Subject: Re: HW:Whats in A Name > > > > > > > I think this horse is called "Hawk Wing"... > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Von Bargen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:40 AM > > > Subject: HW:Whats in A Name > > > > > > > > > Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called Hawkwind finished > second > > in > > > the 16:25 at Goodwood (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood > > > festival)? > > > > > > The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. Wonder where they got > > the > > > name from? Probably those poets or the Daniel Lanois song! > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Aug 4 08:24:23 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:24:23 +0200 Subject: HW: Is there a video available ? Message-ID: Hi folks I am one of the unfortunate persons who could not make it to the Devon festival on 20.07.2002 Therefore my question: Did someone have the chance to make a video (VHS) from the HAWKWIND performance ? I'd be interested in a trade .... What EXCTELY was the lineup in HASTINGS and in SEATON ?? cheers Bernhard From novadrive at COX.NET Sun Aug 4 09:47:20 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:47:20 -0700 Subject: Is there a video available ? In-Reply-To: <17bKRP-1oE9YHC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: Hastings: Dave Brock Huw Lloyd Langton Simon House Tim Blake Alan Davey Richard Chadwick Danny Thompson Seaton: Dave Brock Huw Lloyd Langton Simon House Tim Blake Alan Davey Richard Chadwick Danny Thompson Keith Kniveton Capt. Rizz Jez Huggett KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:24 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Is there a video available ? > > > Hi folks > > What EXCTELY was the lineup in HASTINGS and in SEATON ?? > > > cheers > Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Aug 4 10:39:55 2002 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:39:55 +0200 Subject: Is there a video available ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info Kevin !!! At 06:47 04.08.2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hastings: >Dave Brock >Huw Lloyd Langton >Simon House >Tim Blake >Alan Davey >Richard Chadwick >Danny Thompson > >Seaton: >Dave Brock >Huw Lloyd Langton >Simon House >Tim Blake >Alan Davey >Richard Chadwick >Danny Thompson >Keith Kniveton >Capt. Rizz >Jez Huggett > > >KevinSommers >"Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech >> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:24 AM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Subject: HW: Is there a video available ? >> >> >> Hi folks >> >> What EXCTELY was the lineup in HASTINGS and in SEATON ?? >> >> >> cheers >> Bernhard > From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sun Aug 4 12:09:03 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:09:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: superskull 666-achtung nazi scumbags Message-ID: What a hoot! I subscribe to a King Crimson newsletter, Elephant Talk, where they're bitching about the moderator's "censorship". I wonder what they'd say about this? It's a pity that so much useless and offensive crap makes it onto boc-l. People need to grow up (like that'll ever happen). Guido Eli Friedman wrote: > >I'm really tired of reading this racist hate mongering on this list. Is >anybody paying any attention to what Christian is saying here. Constant Nazi >references, SS parties jokes, references to dressing up as Hitler. He calls a >wonderful nice person like Adam Strider a "jew kid" and some of you try to >defend it as misuse of an adjective. Come on. Wake up, here. It's not Berlin >1940 is it? And by the way, in his latest appearance Elric kicks major Nazi >butts, and I'm sure he'd revel in a chance to drink Charlie Yuga aka Supers >kull666 aka Christian Mumford's racist anti-semitic soul. I hope this crap >will cease. Yours Eli "Jewish kid" Friedman > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Aug 4 14:05:26 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:05:26 -0400 Subject: sons of cydonia Message-ID: HI, Does anyone know which gig this Nik Turner cdr was recorded at? Cheers STEPHE From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Sun Aug 4 14:55:18 2002 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (test) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:55:18 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: test From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Sun Aug 4 15:01:22 2002 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?=) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: sons of cydonia Message-ID: Thanks for asking. Alfred From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Sun Aug 4 16:48:14 2002 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:48:14 -0700 Subject: HW:Whats a horse by another name? In-Reply-To: <001401c23b47$2f0579c0$803f01d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Maybe Hawkind will slap it with an injunction? --- Mark Von Bargen wrote: > Did anybody in the UK notice that a horse called > Hawkwind finished second in the 16:25 at Goodwood > (that was the last day of the GLORIOUS Goodwood > festival)? > > The horse was bred (and presumably named) in USA. > Wonder where they got the name from? Probably those > poets or the Daniel Lanois song! > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Aug 4 16:22:27 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:22:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. Message-ID: After all these years, I have had to give up the mantle as a Hawkwind deadhead of so many years to someone else, almost as if by magic. Hope they enjoy it as raga! Fourteen years, whew, what a time I've had... And do watch out for The Chameleons - great band... Christian Mumford Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Aug 4 18:31:51 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:31:51 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. Message-ID: WOT?? Am I missing something? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: HW: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. > After all these years, I have had to give up the > mantle as a Hawkwind deadhead of so many years to > someone else, almost as if by magic. Hope they enjoy > it as raga! Fourteen years, whew, what a time I've > had... > > And do watch out for The Chameleons - great band... > > Christian Mumford > Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From novadrive at COX.NET Sun Aug 4 18:51:05 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:51:05 -0700 Subject: sons of cydonia In-Reply-To: <006401c23be1$83526250$8eb53318@stepheandamy> Message-ID: Strange Daze 97 (by me) KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Stephe Lindas > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:05 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: sons of cydonia > > > HI, Does anyone know which gig this Nik Turner cdr was recorded > at? Cheers STEPHE From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 23:51:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:51:25 EDT Subject: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. Message-ID: pssssssss!..... let him Rest In Peace In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:25:07 AEDT, Stephe Lindas writes: > WOT?? Am I missing something? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: HW: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. > > > > After all these years, I have had to give up the > > mantle as a Hawkwind deadhead of so many years to > > someone else, almost as if by magic. Hope they enjoy > > it as raga! Fourteen years, whew, what a time I've > > had... > > > > And do watch out for The Chameleons - great band... > > > > Christian Mumford > > Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 > > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 23:54:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:54:47 EDT Subject: OFFF: still spiked up as fucking Satan and nowhere to go... murder! Message-ID: Coke slurpees are off the planet dude - recomend em i do In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:53:20 AEDT, Sheep writes: > Personally, I suggest a nice cup of tea young man. > > You'll find that it's quite invigorating. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 5 06:10:40 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:10:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: Yep it certainly does. The CD is just the soundtrack to the video with all the thumps and clicks and fades you know and love. There are one or two tracks on the video which don't appear on the CD, ETI being one of them. It's still a fantastic live album though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hall" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! > That's one BOC CD I don't own - though I do have the video - does the > CD suffer from the same sound problems as the video? > -- > Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com > Read my blog! http://www.kalyr.com/blogger.shtml > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 06:52:45 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:52:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: superskull 666-achtung nazi scumbags In-Reply-To: Eli Friedman's message of Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:46:55 EDT Message-ID: Eli Friedman writes: > I'm really tired of reading this racist hate mongering on this list. > Is anybody paying any attention to what Christian is saying here. > Constant Nazi references, SS parties jokes, references to dressing up > as Hitler. He calls a wonderful nice person like Adam Strider a "jew > kid" and some of you try to defend it as misuse of an adjective. Come > on. Wake up, here. It's not Berlin 1940 is it? And by the way, in > his latest appearance Elric kicks major Nazi butts, and I'm sure he'd > revel in a chance to drink Charlie Yuga aka Supers kull666 aka > Christian Mumford's racist anti-semitic soul. I hope this crap will > cease. Yours Eli "Jewish kid" Friedman Well, I'm not known for my advocacy of censorship but I think it's time Our Humble Moderator gave the man a chance to explain himself, and if the explanation gets the thumbs down from the list, it's time for him to say "Bye bye". He has the right to be a fascist and he has the right to be an idiot. We however have the right to make him be both somewhere else. FoFP From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 08:54:00 2002 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:54:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Singer and drummer wanted! Message-ID: Posted on behalf of David Watson: ----------------------------------- Drummer and singer wanted for recording project by The Time Brothers: Space Ritual revisited 30 years on (see Hawkfan 29 for article and info on Time Brothers). One-off recording event to be held in Lanarkshire, Scotland late 2002 hopefully, or early 2003. We have a basic drum kit in-situ. E-mails to me and I'll pass them on. Steve Litchfield, slitchfield at ukonline.co.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 09:31:34 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:31:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mercury Rev Message-ID: I made a pretty good Mercury Rev compilation tape before I sold much of my music collection back in '99. I had been a fan of this band since I picked up the Carwash Hair EP back in '91. I also was quite fond of Radial Spangle's "Ice Cream Headache" CD, another band who had ties to Flaming Lips as well at the time. Who cares. Anyway, here goes: MERCURY REV '91-98: Syringe Mouth Blue And Black Sweet Oddesey Of A Cancer Cell To The Center Of Your Heart Frittering So There Very Sleepy Rivers (live) Everlasting Arm Racing The Tide Close Encounters Of The 3rd Grade Endlessly I Collect Coins Opus 40 Hudson Line Tonite It Shows Their new CD should be worth picking up, I suppose, after four years. That and the A Camp CD. -Charlie Yuga http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 16:14:08 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:14:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: order Club Sandwich, Zog and Electric Bones Message-ID: boc-l, I have written a few treatsies on the apocalypse and other dragon/archangel work that are partially ritual in nature - go to http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/deadlord.html . For something more ritual in nature as regards personal meditations, including Tarot definitions as well as the invention of a new card, which may be seen as ritual in content, have a look at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/headshop.html . All articles on the website are copyrighted by the way, and are under copyright law illegal to be reprinted or reworked in any form anywhere else than on my website by the author. If you are interested in a copy of any of the work as printed in my own magick underground/counterculture publications 'Zog', 'Electric Bones' and 'Club Sandwich', write me about prices per issue and shipping costs: Club Sandwich - motorpakkis! 24 pgs. b&w, color cover w/Iron Maiden contents: Harvest of The Innocent - Cleopatra Records and why they are scum Tales Of The Uneaten 2c Love Story (comic) Hawkwind 30th anniversary radio show playlist The Tibetan Book of The Dead, The Apocalypse and The Kali Yuga Applesauce! (comic) Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Zog 20 pgs. b&w, Lovecraftian whaling cover contents: The Magician's Surical Workshop: The Archangel's Enigma Of Christ: A Mystical Image For Meditation Three Tarots Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Live Smut(live music reviews) Anglo-Germanic Front Manifesto Raspberries advertisement Steinar & Raymond P? Sopptur (comic) Electric Bones 16 pgs. b&w, split cover w/Entombed/Nik Turner contents: Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Do You Recommend This Vonnegut Book? The Blasphemers Of Sodom Broken Veins order from Christian Mumford superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Aug 5 14:12:44 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:12:44 -0300 Subject: HW:Hawkfest pictures, OEBs & SLOTERDIJK News: FREE MP3 cut from Hawkfest!! Message-ID: Greetings friends, I am happy to announce the following; I have received some nice pictures of The OEBs from the Hawkfestival. Thank You Rik Richardson & Neil Ward! I have uploaded these to the OEBs website, along with a cut from an audience tape which I garnered via my fianc?' Maria. Thank you sweetheart for remembering to tape the show!! Obviously I didn't. The quality is a bit rough, but gives a good idea of what it was like, and features introductions of all band members. You'll see it listed as 'Hymie The Winey', Hawkfestival, 7/20. http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com There are 'hidden shots' which you can access by clicking on the 'additional artwork' option on the front page of the site. Regarding the future, The OEBs hope to enter the studio early next year to record a proper skiffle/blues album for Big Paws Records. www.BigPawsRecords.com Proposed personnel at this time include: Mike Burro, Jay Adcock, Phil Smith, Don Craine & Keith Grant ( Downliners Sect) and Rogalksi For info regarding the Downliners Sect and their fall Scandinavian tour visit: www.angelfire.com/rock3/yardbird_sect/ The One Eyed Bishops will appear on a compilation released by UK diy label/magazine 'Bliss Aquamarine'. Information can be had at: www.blissaquamarine.net On the SLOTERDIJK front; Aural Innovations magazine has just reviewed the new album, "Beware The Charlatans" ( "I am the 4th beast" ). Check it out at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue20/slotdij3.html Once again, if any one has any pictures of the OEBs from the Hawkfest or The Garden Party, please send us one!! Peace, Mike Burro From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Aug 5 16:29:32 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:29:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: order Club Sandwich, Zog and Electric Bones Message-ID: Not today Thankyou. And here was me thinking this was a Hawkwind/Blue Oyster Cult list: Leave it out and stick to the topic at hand. Frankly this just isn't interesting. Yawn. YAWN YAWN YAWN I'D RATHER WATCH PAINT DRY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: OFF: order Club Sandwich, Zog and Electric Bones boc-l, I have written a few treatsies on the apocalypse and other dragon/archangel work that are partially ritual in nature - go to http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/deadlord.html . For something more ritual in nature as regards personal meditations, including Tarot definitions as well as the invention of a new card, which may be seen as ritual in content, have a look at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/headshop.html . All articles on the website are copyrighted by the way, and are under copyright law illegal to be reprinted or reworked in any form anywhere else than on my website by the author. If you are interested in a copy of any of the work as printed in my own magick underground/counterculture publications 'Zog', 'Electric Bones' and 'Club Sandwich', write me about prices per issue and shipping costs: Club Sandwich - motorpakkis! 24 pgs. b&w, color cover w/Iron Maiden contents: Harvest of The Innocent - Cleopatra Records and why they are scum Tales Of The Uneaten 2c Love Story (comic) Hawkwind 30th anniversary radio show playlist The Tibetan Book of The Dead, The Apocalypse and The Kali Yuga Applesauce! (comic) Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Zog 20 pgs. b&w, Lovecraftian whaling cover contents: The Magician's Surical Workshop: The Archangel's Enigma Of Christ: A Mystical Image For Meditation Three Tarots Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Live Smut(live music reviews) Anglo-Germanic Front Manifesto Raspberries advertisement Steinar & Raymond P? Sopptur (comic) Electric Bones 16 pgs. b&w, split cover w/Entombed/Nik Turner contents: Club Sandwich Reviews (music reviews) Do You Recommend This Vonnegut Book? The Blasphemers Of Sodom Broken Veins order from Christian Mumford superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 19:18:02 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:18:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: (VERY OFF!!) Whistling Rufus / New Orleans Jazz Message-ID: Now, this is going to sound really, really silly... I didn't think of posting this here, until a search on Google for "Whistling Rufus" brought up Aural Innovations... And I thought - where else do I know people with such a broad range of musical tastes..? :-) Basically, my problem is this: I'm after an MP3 of "Whistling Rufus", ideally by Acker Bilk and his Paramount Jazz Band, failing that, by The Dennis Brown Creole Band, or, failing either of those, by any New Orleans type swing band. It's intended as a present for my mother (40th wedding anniversary present) - we had a party last weekend, with a jazz band - she specifically requested it, they played it, and I was too busy washing glasses to tape it. It's her favourite jazz song of all time - I wonder if anyone's got it, or could point me in the direction of it, either on MP3 or CD. I've managed to dig out a couple of country/bluegrass versions, but nothing swing stylee yet. Many, many thanks, and a beer for the first person to find this for me... :-) (I know this isn't really the forum for New Orleans Jazz, but I'm buggered if I'm signing up to more lists!) Cheers, Rich. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 19:32:08 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:32:08 +0100 Subject: HW: live lieber Hawkwind uber alles Message-ID: In my lifetime I have seen Hawkwind live twice: 1/10/91 at the Alaska in Oslo, and 9/4/95 at the Limelight in New York. I also saw Nik Turner with The Moor in Hamburg 11/1/98. Does anyone have a clue what it means to me? To see Hawkwind live? The world... and then some! Hahaha! Meican, Mehican, Mechxickan... -Christian http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Aug 5 22:49:43 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:49:43 -0500 Subject: HW: live lieber Hawkwind uber alles Message-ID: It means absolutely nothing. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Aug 6 05:57:24 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: (VERY OFF!!) Whistling Rufus / New Orleans Jazz Message-ID: >I didn't think of posting this here, until a search on Google for "Whistling >Rufus" brought up Aural Innovations... And I thought - where else do I know >people with such a broad range of musical tastes..? :-) HeeHee... yeah, we are a bit demented in the range of our tastes. But I'm sure you could tell from my Whistling Rufus review that it'd probably scare the bejeezus out of your mom :-) Jerry from AI From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 6 08:05:32 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: > > Yep it certainly does. The CD is just the soundtrack to the video with all > the thumps and clicks and fades you know and love. There are one or two > tracks on the video which don't appear on the CD, ETI being one of them. > It's still a fantastic live album though. And I believe you might be able to find it on DVD as well - surely as bad a quality as the CD and videotape. Note: The video has ONE track (and it is ETI) which does not appear on CD. It's not the greatest of stuff, but really the only video available from back then, so it's definitely a keeper. Neat to see the laser show even though I'm sure it was much more compelling to actually be there. John From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Aug 6 10:08:42 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:08:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: I have never been *true* Blue Oyster Cult fan! Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > It's not the greatest of stuff, but really the only video available > from back then, so it's definitely a keeper. Neat to see the laser show > even though I'm sure it was much more compelling to actually be there. As one who was there, I can attest that John is correct: much more compelling actually being there. And Uriah Heep was an excellent opening act. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 6 09:31:46 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:31:46 -0300 Subject: HW: opening zip files Message-ID: Hi I received a bunch of photos from the Hawkfest, but they were sent as a zip file. Anyone know how to open this or want to take a crack at it? E-mail me offlist..Peace, Mike From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Aug 6 13:20:26 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:20:26 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Can someone here please tell me what it means to get one's "end away"? Is it to have sex? Or, more specifically, the equivalent of "getting laid"? You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all the dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find out what the hell "Bootle" was.... cheers, Chuck From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Tue Aug 6 13:26:02 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:26:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: End away is getting laid :-) Bootle is a place in Liverpool ( someone from Liverpool can explain its beautiful features ). regards Red Dwarf fan no.2 ( series 5 rules) TARANTULA ............ Chuckrecs at AOL.COM wrote: >Can someone here please tell me what it means to get one's "end away"? Is it >to have sex? Or, more specifically, the equivalent of "getting laid"? >You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red >Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all the >dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find out >what the hell "Bootle" was.... > >cheers, Chuck > > From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 6 13:31:04 2002 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:31:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <26.2bc50fa8.2a815f5a@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > Can someone here please tell me what it means to get one's "end away"? Is it > to have sex? Or, more specifically, the equivalent of "getting laid"? Certainly is. > You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red > Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all the > dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find out > what the hell "Bootle" was.... There;s only one thing to say; Awww, *sweetheart* -- Kirsten Procter ghoti "Why is the alligator so ornery? Because he has an elongated medulla oblongata." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 6 13:43:46 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:43:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <3D5006AA.1060602@aol.com> Message-ID: On 6 Aug 2002, at 18:26, Iain Ferguson wrote: > End away is getting laid :-) > > Bootle is a place in Liverpool ( someone from Liverpool can explain > its beautiful features ). > Okay, how 'bout two other bits of Brit slang? 'Had the Richard,' and 'Bob's your Uncle?' Does something that has had the Richard mean that it's now defunct? [This may actually be Oz slang--my apologies to anyone taking offense] Anyone know the origin? I've heard a couple diffeerent definitions of Bob's your Uncle, some as a positive, some negative. Anyone know the origin? thanks, theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 6 15:10:12 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:10:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <3D4FD291.20227.15EC01E@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: => Okay, how 'bout two other bits of Brit slang? => 'Had the Richard,' and 'Bob's your Uncle?' [...] => I've heard a couple diffeerent definitions of Bob's your Uncle, some => as a positive, some negative. Anyone know the origin? How about this: http://www.word-detective.com/back-f.html Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Aug 6 15:51:59 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:51:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <20020806191011.GA5205@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: I'm very interested in the Bob's your Uncle as I JUST crossed this reference in the recent Dr. Who book Camera Obscura by Lloyd Rose. So this is an "inside" brit joke? Mike ________________________ Food is an important part of a balanced diet. -- Fran Lebowitz ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Paul Mather ::Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:10 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! :: :: ::On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: :: ::=> Okay, how 'bout two other bits of Brit slang? ::=> 'Had the Richard,' and 'Bob's your Uncle?' ::[...] ::=> I've heard a couple diffeerent definitions of Bob's your Uncle, some ::=> as a positive, some negative. Anyone know the origin? :: ::How about this: http://www.word-detective.com/back-f.html :: ::Cheers, :: ::Paul. :: ::e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu :: ::"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production :: deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." :: --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 6 16:12:39 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:12:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Aug 2002, at 15:51, Mike Montfort wrote: > I'm very interested in the Bob's your Uncle as I JUST crossed this > reference in the recent Dr. Who book Camera Obscura by Lloyd Rose. So > this is an "inside" brit joke? > I did some research. A member of the Brit. royalty, Lord Salisbury, gave his nephew, Balfour the title of Chief Secretary for Ireland, a well-paying job that some felt he was unqualified for. The nephew used to call him 'Uncle Bob.' So, it means, basically, 'you did well with that,' or 'lucky devil...' theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 6 17:05:20 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:05:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <3D4FD291.20227.15EC01E@localhost>; from tojackso@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU on Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:43:46PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: > 'Had the Richard,' New to me. I'd have to guess it means "got screwed": "penis" -> "dick" -> "Richard". Now, whether it means in the sexual sense or the figurative one (i.e. "screwed around"), or both, I wouldn't know. The first hop won't be a surprise to anyone, I guess. (Is there a similar slang term in German or related languages? It's amazing how much weird stuff like that *does* carry across.) The second hop sounds very Cockney ... to this Canadian, anyway. I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone who actually knows what they're talking about :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 17:17:34 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:17:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <3D4FF574.26663.1E70D0B@localhost> Message-ID: In message <3D4FF574.26663.1E70D0B at localhost>, Ted Jackson writes >I did some research. A member of the Brit. royalty, Lord Salisbury, >gave his nephew, Balfour the title of Chief Secretary for Ireland, a >well-paying job that some felt he was unqualified for. The nephew >used to call him 'Uncle Bob.' So, it means, basically, 'you did well >with that,' or 'lucky devil...' That's its origin, but it's used more generally to mean that something has been, or will be, accomplished. As in "You wanna make that blanga sound? Three chords, pounding rhythm, bit of swoosh, and Bob's your uncle". For those who enjoy a more arch turn of phrase, it can be refined e.g "I took the young filly out for a meal, invited her back for coffee, and Robert was your proverbial mother's brother". (to be said languidly, perhaps while sharing some absinthe with one's decadent gentleman friends). You dig? (where does "dig" come from?) -- Nick Medford From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 17:45:15 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:45:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > For those who enjoy a more arch turn of phrase, it can be refined e.g "I > took the young filly out for a meal, invited her back for coffee, and > Robert was your proverbial mother's brother". (to be said languidly, > perhaps while sharing some absinthe with one's decadent gentleman > friends). Or, round our way, "Robert's your auntie's live-in lover"... Cheers, Rich. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 6 17:55:11 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:55:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:17:34 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >You dig? > >(where does "dig" come from?) Not from the Brits! ;^) A few American "beatnik" slang terms in the dictionary discussed here: http://www.m-w.com/lighter/cool/cooljanb.htm (Plus a reminder that it was the great San Francisco columnist, Herb Caen, who coined the terms "beatnik" AND "hippie", since both came to prominence in neighborhoods of the city, North Beach and Haight-Ashbury, respectively.) cool it, daddy-o, -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 18:44:20 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:44:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford > You dig? > > (where does "dig" come from?) my English dictionary suggests it's US slang from a range of meanings where 'dig' has come to represent something that has been revealed or understood by hard work so 'dig' can mean "to study hard". As a variant to this the meaning of 'diggings' has shifted from "entrenchments" to "lodgings" and is now 'digs'. So things are right as rain now 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Nick Medford > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 6 18:56:35 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:56:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <004501c23d9a$ce718800$1ebc193e@jds> Message-ID: On 6 Aug 2002, at 23:44, Jill Strobridge wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Medford > > > You dig? > > > > (where does "dig" come from?) > > my English dictionary suggests it's US slang from a range of meanings > where 'dig' has come to represent something that has been revealed or > understood by hard work so 'dig' can mean "to study hard". As a > variant to this the meaning of 'diggings' has shifted from > "entrenchments" to "lodgings" and is now 'digs'. > > So things are right as rain now 8-) > jill Right as snow on Christmas... theo From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 6 21:28:41 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:28:41 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: (LoL) I noticed that there were about ten replies to that. So I will assume that you have now been informed. Pleased to hear you are a red dwarf fan. Did you know they are making a big movie? Im looking forward to that I am. Elric In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:21:35 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > Can someone here please tell me what it means to get one's "end away"? Is it > to have sex? Or, more specifically, the equivalent of "getting laid"? > You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red > Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all the > dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find out > what the hell "Bootle" was.... > > cheers, Chuck From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 00:11:43 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:11:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Aw Shucks, I was born in Bootle, a lovely port town just along the banks of the lovely River Mersey from Liverpool. In its great days it had a wonderful town hall, lots of docks, some great dockers cafes, some great dockers pubs and some great docker entertainment. Now it has a wonderful town hall, lots of docks but not many dockers, lots of empty, disused pubs and cafes. It has a very dodgy shoping centre and the sickest building in the UK unless it has been knocked down or fallen down. You know what sick building syndrome is outside of UK? Recently, I went past the spot where my first house stood. There is now a government tax office on the site. What a sad thought. But,,,,, the people of Bootle are great Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > End away is getting laid :-) > > Bootle is a place in Liverpool ( someone from Liverpool can explain its > beautiful features ). > > regards > > Red Dwarf fan no.2 ( series 5 rules) > > TARANTULA ............ > > Chuckrecs at AOL.COM wrote: > > >Can someone here please tell me what it means to get one's "end away"? Is it > >to have sex? Or, more specifically, the equivalent of "getting laid"? > >You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red > >Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all the > >dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find out > >what the hell "Bootle" was.... > > > >cheers, Chuck > > > > > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 08:08:39 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > Pleased to hear you are a red dwarf fan. > Did you know they are making a big movie? Are they really? I wouldn't know anything about that... :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 08:24:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:24:23 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: But you aren't in Umerika matey :-) Are you guys are in on that one too? Crikey..... Strike a light..... In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:10:09 AEDT, Keith Barton writes: > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > Pleased to hear you are a red dwarf fan. > > Did you know they are making a big movie? > > Are they really? I wouldn't know anything about that... > > :-) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Aug 7 10:58:18 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:18 +0800 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Hi all During my travels on the web I found a site on the making of the film. I can't remember where it was, but if I find it, I'll pass the info on. It won't be too long now until it's out on DVD too!!! William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > Pleased to hear you are a red dwarf fan. > > Did you know they are making a big movie? > > Are they really? I wouldn't know anything about that... > > :-) > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 11:41:33 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:41:33 +0100 Subject: HW: discs stolen Message-ID: I recently had, much to my personal tragedy, my original copy of the now long out of print Chameleons CD, "Tripping Dogs", stolen from my collection along with many of my other favorite discs over the holdiays last Christmas. It was orginally released on the Glass Pyramid label out of Switzerland and is presumably quite rare, and I'm not completely sure if it was an official release. I am wondering if any kindred souls could point me in the right direction as to where I can find myself a replacement copy, or even in the worst of cases, I could probably live with a temporary CDR copy of the disc, if anyone would be kind enough to burn me one in some kind of trade, though I'd of course much rather prefer the real thing. This Chameleons CD sure beats any of their studio albums I have heard, also owning their fine "Strange Times" and the less satisfying "Script Of The Bridge" at various points in time, suspecting "Tripping Dogs" to be some kind of live studio session. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing a full Chameleons discography posted somewhere if someone could provide one, or just the directions to one. On an equally miserable note, I also had my original copy of Sun Dial's now quite rare UFO label "Overspill" CDEP, also disappear with the recent CD theft. I originally picked this excellent CD up in 1991, immediately after seeing their "Fireball" video on MTV Europe's "120 Minutes", and became a big fan of this band ever since. This item is also sorely missed. A copy of this disc would probably fetch at least between $20-30 today, and I'd be very happy if anyone has any idea as to where I could find a replacement. Frustratingly enough, I've already had this CD replaced once already, after having, much to my aggrivation, lost my original copy back in 1994, accidentally leaving it behind in a motel room, a two years of searching, finally finding a replacement copy from some garagerock mailorder outfit in 1996, a loss I truly hated to have repeated over the holidays. It has to be Sun Dial's finest release to date in my opinion, along with their original "Other Way Out" LP and the scorching "Live Drug" set, possibly along with the archive remastered "Return Journey" disc. Anyway, I'd be eternally grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction for yet a replacement copy of my original "Overspill" CD. Not to mention that I also had the original Flicknife label CD of Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" stolen, the Hawkwind album which started me off as a diehard fan at age 16 in 1988, a totally irreplacable item, along with the Oldhitz label CD release with all the bonus tracks, of the first Inner City Unit LP, "Passout" from 1980, and the Stellar label CD of the very first Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band album, "Golden Light", as well, as these three other rare psych CD's were also stolen along with about 30 other valuable and favorite discs of mine. If anyone can help me find genuine replacements of any of these other discs, as well, I'd be very, very, very grateful...! Thanks for any pointers or anything that may help me out. -Christian http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ --- "I actually saw Mot?rhead play at least seven fucking times, right, but I only remembered to bring my fucking woman along just once!" - The Cannibal Swinger, King Of Romania crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 12:37:39 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:37:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/6/02 10:29:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, IainFerguson at AOL.COM writes: > Red Dwarf fan no.2 ( series 5 rules) > > TARANTULA ............ is this a spelling that Brits and Yanks disagree on? Or did Lister spell it "taranshula" because he went to art college?? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 12:39:48 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:39:48 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/6/02 10:31:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red > > Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of all > the > > dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to find > out > > what the hell "Bootle" was.... > There;s only one thing to say; > > Awww, *sweetheart* > is this a reference to a potentially pathetic existence or does it mean you'd like to trade in Jon for me?? :) must be the former...but ya never know. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 12:44:12 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:44:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/6/02 9:13:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK writes: > Recently, I went past the spot where my first house stood. There is now a > government tax office on the site. What a sad thought. > But,,,,, the people of Bootle are great > Mark Mark, thanks for the report on Bootle. Pretty much matches what I sussed from the web-site. Though I figured it also had an "insider" reputation as being more of a town the equivalent of an "Inland Empire" town, such as we have here in SoCal. Nice people say they're "nice" towns, the rest of find them a bit dodgy. If Lister grew up there, and went condom fishing in the canal, ya know...though he may have been refering to Liverpool itself, as opposed to the nicer suburb... C From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 12:48:20 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:48:20 EDT Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle Message-ID: ---I found this little article on the little Bootle web-site... (seemed to fit more w/how I envisioned it via RD). what's new in Bootle?...I believe this event actually occurred a couple years ago: Bootle Area plagued by Rats! Residents of a Bootle Neighbourhood have had to take desperate measures to combat a plague of Rats in the area. Men with air rifles have been seen shooting at the growing Rat menace in the Wordsworth Street area. Even children have took to the streets armed with sticks to bludgeon the rodents. Local people say the number of vermin has reached epidemic proportions. Residents spokesman Robert Wildman said:"We never used to see any at all, untill about 2 years ago. Now they are like a plague of Bluebottles. >From late afternoon you can see a dozen scuttling round. I worked on the bins for 15 years, but I have never seen anything like this. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 7 13:06:54 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:06:54 EDT Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle In-Reply-To: <43.f927fe3.2a82a954@aol.com> Message-ID: On 7 Aug 2002, at 12:48, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > Bootle Area plagued by Rats! > > Residents of a Bootle Neighbourhood have had to take desperate > measures to combat a plague of Rats in the area. > > Men with air rifles have been seen shooting at the growing Rat menace > in the Wordsworth Street area. Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. Why aren't they trying terriers? Or big, aggressive tomcats? theo From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 13:59:38 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:59:38 +0100 Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle Message-ID: I watched the tomcats jumping in the Mersey; the big agressive ones just got to the front of the queue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle > On 7 Aug 2002, at 12:48, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > Bootle Area plagued by Rats! > > > > Residents of a Bootle Neighbourhood have had to take desperate > > measures to combat a plague of Rats in the area. > > > > Men with air rifles have been seen shooting at the growing Rat menace > > in the Wordsworth Street area. > > Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're > standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. Why aren't they > trying terriers? Or big, aggressive tomcats? > > theo > From Mahkno at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 14:24:51 2002 From: Mahkno at AOL.COM (Mahkno nestor) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:24:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 06/08/2002 20:52:23 GMT Daylight Time, mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > I'm very interested in the Bob's your Uncle as I JUST crossed this reference > in the recent Dr. Who book Camera Obscura by Lloyd Rose. So this is an > "inside" brit joke? > "Bobs your uncle" derives from nepotism of particular UK prime minister whose full name eludes me at present- Means you got it made - if bob was your uncle youd get lucrative job in govt or civil service. From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 7 16:13:16 2002 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:13:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/02 10:31:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > > > You see, all I do is sit around my apt all day, get drunk, and watch Red > > > Dwarf episodes over and over...I'm trying to figure out every line of > all > > the > > > dialogue...not easy for a Yank... I even did a google search just to > find > > out > > > what the hell "Bootle" was.... > > There;s only one thing to say; > > > > Awww, *sweetheart* > > > > is this a reference to a potentially pathetic existence or does it mean you'd No, it;s just you being cutely American. Sorry. > like to trade in Jon for me?? :) must be the former...but ya never know. Chuck > I'm not sure that Jon knows where Bootle is either (well, he does now). Although Gerald Durrell mentioned in his book 'My Family and Other Animals' that he had a boat called 'the Bootle-Bumtrinket'. 'My Family and Other Animals' was an O-level set text, so most Brits have read it. -- Kirsten Procter ghoti "Why is the alligator so ornery? Because he has an elongated medulla oblongata." From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 16:45:13 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:45:13 +0100 Subject: HW: discs stolen / Christian's polite request Message-ID: Now, that's better... :-) Come down now Christian?!! :-) I'll see what I can do re The Chameleons - most likely to be a bunch of MP3s though. The others I'm a bit buggered on. Sorry. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: HW: discs stolen > I recently had, much to my personal tragedy, my > original copy of the now long out of print Chameleons > CD, "Tripping Dogs", stolen from my collection along > with many of my other favorite discs over the holdiays > last Christmas. It was orginally released on the > Glass Pyramid label out of Switzerland and is > presumably quite rare, and I'm not completely sure if > it was an official release. I am wondering if any > kindred souls could point me in the right direction as > to where I can find myself a replacement copy, or even > in the worst of cases, I could probably live with a > temporary CDR copy of the disc, if anyone would be > kind enough to burn me one in some kind of trade, > though I'd of course much rather prefer the real > thing. This Chameleons CD sure beats any of their > studio albums I have heard, also owning their fine > "Strange Times" and the less satisfying "Script Of The > Bridge" at various points in time, suspecting > "Tripping Dogs" to be some kind of live studio > session. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing a full > Chameleons discography posted somewhere if someone > could provide one, or just the directions to one. > > On an equally miserable note, I also had my original > copy of Sun Dial's now quite rare UFO label > "Overspill" CDEP, also disappear with the recent CD > theft. I originally picked this excellent CD up in > 1991, immediately after seeing their "Fireball" video > on MTV Europe's "120 Minutes", and became a big fan of > this band ever since. This item is also sorely missed. > A copy of this disc would probably fetch at least > between $20-30 today, and I'd be very happy if anyone > has any idea as to where I could find a replacement. > Frustratingly enough, I've already had this CD > replaced once already, after having, much to my > aggrivation, lost my original copy back in 1994, > accidentally leaving it behind in a motel room, a two > years of searching, finally finding a replacement copy > from some garagerock mailorder outfit in 1996, a loss > I truly hated to have repeated over the holidays. It > has to be Sun Dial's finest release to date in my > opinion, along with their original "Other Way Out" LP > and the scorching "Live Drug" set, possibly along with > the archive remastered "Return Journey" disc. Anyway, > I'd be eternally grateful if anyone could point me in > the right direction for yet a replacement copy of my > original "Overspill" CD. > > Not to mention that I also had the original Flicknife > label CD of Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" > stolen, the Hawkwind album which started me off as a > diehard fan at age 16 in 1988, a totally irreplacable > item, along with the Oldhitz label CD release with all > the bonus tracks, of the first Inner City Unit LP, > "Passout" from 1980, and the Stellar label CD of the > very first Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band album, > "Golden Light", as well, as these three other rare > psych CD's were also stolen along with about 30 other > valuable and favorite discs of mine. If anyone can > help me find genuine replacements of any of these > other discs, as well, I'd be very, very, very > grateful...! > > Thanks for any pointers or anything that may help me > out. > > -Christian > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > --- > "I actually saw Mot?rhead play at least seven fucking > times, right, but I only remembered to bring my > fucking woman along just once!" > - The Cannibal Swinger, King Of Romania > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 16:56:17 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:56:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. Message-ID: > > Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're > standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. Why aren't they > trying terriers? Or big, aggressive tomcats? > Get an Abysinnian cat. Those bastards will take out anything. We had one that brought in between fifteen and twenty-five rabbits a year, a live magpie (through the cat flap), game birds, and (once) a hare. For a house in the country, we never had a problem with rodents. I figured that word had got around and they were too scared to come near the place. He's getting old now, so the rabbit count is down to about 5pa. Those bastards walk around on their knuckles. (If anyone doesn't know an abby, think the shape of a siamese, the colour of a wild rabbit and the build of an all in wrestler...) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 17:02:32 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:02:32 +0100 Subject: HW: discs stolen / Christian's polite request Message-ID: Bit of Chameleons info - a bit of research reveals that this was later released as "Free Trade Hall Rehearsals". You might have a better chance finding that. Cheers, Rich. > Now, that's better... :-) Come down now Christian?!! :-) > > I'll see what I can do re The Chameleons - most likely to be a bunch of MP3s > though. > > The others I'm a bit buggered on. > > Sorry. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: HW: discs stolen > > > > I recently had, much to my personal tragedy, my > > original copy of the now long out of print Chameleons > > CD, "Tripping Dogs", stolen from my collection along > > with many of my other favorite discs over the holdiays > > last Christmas. It was orginally released on the > > Glass Pyramid label out of Switzerland and is > > presumably quite rare, and I'm not completely sure if > > it was an official release. I am wondering if any > > kindred souls could point me in the right direction as > > to where I can find myself a replacement copy, or even > > in the worst of cases, I could probably live with a > > temporary CDR copy of the disc, if anyone would be > > kind enough to burn me one in some kind of trade, > > though I'd of course much rather prefer the real > > thing. This Chameleons CD sure beats any of their > > studio albums I have heard, also owning their fine > > "Strange Times" and the less satisfying "Script Of The > > Bridge" at various points in time, suspecting > > "Tripping Dogs" to be some kind of live studio > > session. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing a full > > Chameleons discography posted somewhere if someone > > could provide one, or just the directions to one. > > > > On an equally miserable note, I also had my original > > copy of Sun Dial's now quite rare UFO label > > "Overspill" CDEP, also disappear with the recent CD > > theft. I originally picked this excellent CD up in > > 1991, immediately after seeing their "Fireball" video > > on MTV Europe's "120 Minutes", and became a big fan of > > this band ever since. This item is also sorely missed. > > A copy of this disc would probably fetch at least > > between $20-30 today, and I'd be very happy if anyone > > has any idea as to where I could find a replacement. > > Frustratingly enough, I've already had this CD > > replaced once already, after having, much to my > > aggrivation, lost my original copy back in 1994, > > accidentally leaving it behind in a motel room, a two > > years of searching, finally finding a replacement copy > > from some garagerock mailorder outfit in 1996, a loss > > I truly hated to have repeated over the holidays. It > > has to be Sun Dial's finest release to date in my > > opinion, along with their original "Other Way Out" LP > > and the scorching "Live Drug" set, possibly along with > > the archive remastered "Return Journey" disc. Anyway, > > I'd be eternally grateful if anyone could point me in > > the right direction for yet a replacement copy of my > > original "Overspill" CD. > > > > Not to mention that I also had the original Flicknife > > label CD of Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" > > stolen, the Hawkwind album which started me off as a > > diehard fan at age 16 in 1988, a totally irreplacable > > item, along with the Oldhitz label CD release with all > > the bonus tracks, of the first Inner City Unit LP, > > "Passout" from 1980, and the Stellar label CD of the > > very first Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band album, > > "Golden Light", as well, as these three other rare > > psych CD's were also stolen along with about 30 other > > valuable and favorite discs of mine. If anyone can > > help me find genuine replacements of any of these > > other discs, as well, I'd be very, very, very > > grateful...! > > > > Thanks for any pointers or anything that may help me > > out. > > > > -Christian > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > --- > > "I actually saw Mot?rhead play at least seven fucking > > times, right, but I only remembered to bring my > > fucking woman along just once!" > > - The Cannibal Swinger, King Of Romania > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Aug 7 16:29:47 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:29:47 -0300 Subject: HW: SLOTERDIJK & One Eyed Bishops releases: We now take Paypal!! Message-ID: Hello everyone. Many people have purchased our cds via money order, over the last couple of years. It's my pleasure to announce that we now take pay-pal, which means that all you have to do is go to www.paypal.com and follow the instructions for paying with your credit card. It's secure and immediate. You will have to enter Sloterdijk at msn.com as the payee's address. You will receive confirmation from Paypal and also from us. I am presently working on a decent and descriptive e-flyer which lists all 7 or 8 offerings which we now have. All the cds are about $5.00 plus $2.00 shipping. For Oversees orders the shipping is $3.50. There's really no 'handling' fee. It costs me about $1.00 for a padded envelope, and $1.00 to send a single cd to almost anywhere in the U.S. Overseas postage jumps considerably, so the extra $1.50 simply covers that adjustment. The current titles available are: SLOTERDIJK: ' Integration ' Lollipop Shop Records, Berlin Germany 2000 I have a few of the original 1rst addition of 500. These are the official Lollipop Shop discs, glass mastered etc. These go for $10.00 because they are the last. For: $7.00 you can get the same disc with the original high quality glossy Lollipop Shop artwork, but with one of our new 'Night Owl Music' cds. These were copied from the original glass mastered cd, but do not bear the Lollipop Shop moniker. All the following titles are $5.00 USD plus $2.00 shipping: SLOTERDIJK: ' US Spacerock' ( Uranium Zone): Night Owl music: 2001 SLOTERDIJK: " Beware The Charlatan's " ( " I am the 4th Beast" ) Night Owl: 2002 SLOTERDIJK & Thom The World Poet: ' Strange Daze' 99; Spacerock Music Festival SLOTERDIJK: 'integration...submutation'; live at 4th North German Hawkfan Festival June 16th, 2000; Night Owl: 2002 SLOTERDIJK: ' On the Traveling Outerspace Spectacular tour' ( supporting Harvey Bainbridge, 8/6/2000 The One Eyed Bishops: 'Rave Up' EP ; Night Owl 2002 The One Eyed Bishops: 'The Garden Party' 6/1/2002 ; Night Owl 2002 **If you have an interest in obtaining details regarding a specific title or titles, request that info via sloterdijk at msn.com Cheers, Mike Burro http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 18:55:28 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:55:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/02 1:13:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > I even did a google search just to > > find > > > out > > > > what the hell "Bootle" was.... > > > There;s only one thing to say; > > > > > > Awww, *sweetheart* > > > > > > > is this a reference to a potentially pathetic existence or does it mean > you'd > No, it;s just you being cutely American. Sorry. > damn, i hate being "cutely American"! I tried my best not to be, but i guess that's just what I am, so I must accept it as thus. Smeg. Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 19:25:58 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:25:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > > damn, i hate being "cutely American"! I tried my best not to be, but i guess > that's just what I am, so I must accept it as thus. Smeg. > Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? (Anyone wanting to know the derivation of smeg should, err, err... That's my coat, the ankle length leather affair. Cheers. :-) Cheers, Rich. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 19:44:11 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:44:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. In-Reply-To: <02f601c23e54$e2345290$e4a323d9@bernard> Message-ID: In message <02f601c23e54$e2345290$e4a323d9 at bernard>, Richard Lockwood writes >Get an Abysinnian cat. Those bastards will take out anything. We had one >that brought in between fifteen and twenty-five rabbits a year, a live >magpie (through the cat flap), game birds, and (once) a hare. For many years my folks kept a cat which was a hybrid- his mother was an ordinary domestic moggy, but his father was a Scottish feral cat. He was affectionate with us, but ferocious with anything else. Aside from the usual slaughter of birds and rodents, he would often chase and attack dogs, and while I don't remember him ever taking a hare (! pretty impressive, that), he did once bring in a live snake, which proceeded to escape into the larder, causing incredible consternation in the household, although it was a harmless grass snake as it turned out. In the end the snake survived, but in somewhat shortened form. Another memorable catch was a huge pheasant, although I suspect this may have been stolen from someone's kitchen rather than freshly killed. Even so, it was quite a feat to drag it back to the house- the thing was about twice his size. One of the oddest hunting cat-related things I've seen is when they catch frogs. They don't kill them or try to eat them, not that I've seen anyway, but in true sadistic feline fashion, they play with them for ages, tapping at them to make them jump. The frog leaps away but then freezes, so the cat simply wanders over and taps it again. This can entertain them for hours if you don't intervene. The weirdest thing is the noise the frog makes- it emits a high-pitched shriek, presumably a fear response, but totally unlike any noise you'd imagine a frog making. When I first heard it, I thought at first I was imagining it. Other cat-owners have observed the same thing, so it wasn't just some bizarre population of mutant frogs in our garden. I can't think of any way to make this on-topic except to refer everyone to the rather nice pussy pic (so to speak) on the cover of "Memos and Demos". Now there's a cat who won't be much of a threat to local wildlife.. -- Nick Medford From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Wed Aug 7 19:56:23 2002 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:56:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:25:58 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? No - I've heard it from reliable sources that it's a worldwide thing :-) Dave From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 20:02:07 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:02:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. Message-ID: > >Get an Abysinnian cat. Those bastards will take out anything. We had one > >that brought in between fifteen and twenty-five rabbits a year, a live > >magpie (through the cat flap), game birds, and (once) a hare. > > For many years my folks kept a cat which was a hybrid- his mother was > an ordinary domestic moggy, but his father was a Scottish feral cat. He > was affectionate with us, but ferocious with anything else. Aside from > the usual slaughter of birds and rodents, he would often chase and attack > dogs, and while I don't remember him ever taking a hare (! pretty > impressive, that), he did once bring in a live snake, which proceeded to > escape into the larder, causing incredible consternation in the household, > although it was a harmless grass snake as it turned out. In the end the > snake survived, but in somewhat shortened form. > > Another memorable catch was a huge pheasant, although I suspect this > may have been stolen from someone's kitchen rather than freshly killed. > Even so, it was quite a feat to drag it back to the house- the thing was > about twice his size. Respect! (Both snake and pheasant!) My mother's abby once brought in a live snipe (possibly a woodcock) through the catflap, and we had a black cat whilst living in Newcastle that once successfully hunted and killed a Hot And Still Steaming Sunday Roast. (They can be vicious if only wounded) We never found out where it caught it from, but we discovered him dismembering it on the kitchen floor. To make this vaguely on-topic, my cat (who has lived with my parents for the last twelve years, and has never caught anything bigger than a mouse (although she had a novel way of getting those - she'd sit on a fencepost and wait for one to scurry past, then just drop on it. Must have scared the buggers to death!)) is called Zarozinia. She's getting old, and dribbles a lot. Her sister's called Arioch. Strange but true. :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 20:03:12 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:03:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Is that the word, or the condition..? Yes, I know I was going to get my coat... :-) Cheers, Rich. > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > No - I've heard it from reliable sources that it's a worldwide thing :-) > > Dave > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 20:03:52 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:03:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: GBBF Message-ID: Is anyone going to the Great British Beer Festival at Olympia tomorrow (Thursday)? Cheers, Rich. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:08:11 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:08:11 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/02 4:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET writes: > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for "shit" or "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. Perhaps avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or perhaps just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) I can talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 20:17:42 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:17:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Ah. Err, no it isn't... :-) However, you're kind of right. A bit like Ronnie Barker in Porrage popularised the word "berk". As in the rhyming slang "Berkshire Hunt"... :-) Cheers, Rich. > > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > > > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for "shit" or > "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. Perhaps > avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or perhaps > just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) I can > talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) > > Chuck > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:39:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:39:04 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: http://www.reddwarf.co.uk the official web site by grant & naylor (I dont know if *they* made it but it is theirs nonetheless. Michael In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:06:45 AEDT, William Duffy writes: > Hi all > > During my travels on the web I found a site on the making of the film. I > can't remember where it was, but if I find it, I'll pass the info on. It > won't be too long now until it's out on DVD too!!! > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Barton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > > > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > > > Pleased to hear you are a red dwarf fan. > > > Did you know they are making a big movie? > > > > Are they really? I wouldn't know anything about that... > > > > :-) > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:44:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:44:23 EDT Subject: HW: discs stolen Message-ID: Awwwwww damn! You missed out on a Chronicle cd by two months. I gave my extra copy to my little brother for his birthday in June. Otherwise I would have gladly sold it to you for a big bundle of cash. Ebay ussually has that item and probably, im sure, all those other items if you have a look. Goot luck In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:14:06 AEDT, Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > I recently had, much to my personal tragedy, my > original copy of the now long out of print Chameleons > CD, "Tripping Dogs", stolen from my collection along > with many of my other favorite discs over the holdiays > last Christmas. It was orginally released on the > Glass Pyramid label out of Switzerland and is > presumably quite rare, and I'm not completely sure if > it was an official release. I am wondering if any > kindred souls could point me in the right direction as > to where I can find myself a replacement copy, or even > in the worst of cases, I could probably live with a > temporary CDR copy of the disc, if anyone would be > kind enough to burn me one in some kind of trade, > though I'd of course much rather prefer the real > thing. This Chameleons CD sure beats any of their > studio albums I have heard, also owning their fine > "Strange Times" and the less satisfying "Script Of The > Bridge" at various points in time, suspecting > "Tripping Dogs" to be some kind of live studio > session. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing a full > Chameleons discography posted somewhere if someone > could provide one, or just the directions to one. > > On an equally miserable note, I also had my original > copy of Sun Dial's now quite rare UFO label > "Overspill" CDEP, also disappear with the recent CD > theft. I originally picked this excellent CD up in > 1991, immediately after seeing their "Fireball" video > on MTV Europe's "120 Minutes", and became a big fan of > this band ever since. This item is also sorely missed. > A copy of this disc would probably fetch at least > between $20-30 today, and I'd be very happy if anyone > has any idea as to where I could find a replacement. > Frustratingly enough, I've already had this CD > replaced once already, after having, much to my > aggrivation, lost my original copy back in 1994, > accidentally leaving it behind in a motel room, a two > years of searching, finally finding a replacement copy > from some garagerock mailorder outfit in 1996, a loss > I truly hated to have repeated over the holidays. It > has to be Sun Dial's finest release to date in my > opinion, along with their original "Other Way Out" LP > and the scorching "Live Drug" set, possibly along with > the archive remastered "Return Journey" disc. Anyway, > I'd be eternally grateful if anyone could point me in > the right direction for yet a replacement copy of my > original "Overspill" CD. > > Not to mention that I also had the original Flicknife > label CD of Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword" > stolen, the Hawkwind album which started me off as a > diehard fan at age 16 in 1988, a totally irreplacable > item, along with the Oldhitz label CD release with all > the bonus tracks, of the first Inner City Unit LP, > "Passout" from 1980, and the Stellar label CD of the > very first Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band album, > "Golden Light", as well, as these three other rare > psych CD's were also stolen along with about 30 other > valuable and favorite discs of mine. If anyone can > help me find genuine replacements of any of these > other discs, as well, I'd be very, very, very > grateful...! > > Thanks for any pointers or anything that may help me > out. > > -Christian > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > --- > "I actually saw Mot?rhead play at least seven fucking > times, right, but I only remembered to bring my > fucking woman along just once!" > - The Cannibal Swinger, King Of Romania > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:49:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:49:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: It would be because he can't spell. :) I think all the red dwarf series, with perhaps the exception of some of the series 7 episodes, are brilliant. The virtual reality game where Lister uses cheat codes to win the Kings spunky wife was a frickin hoot. In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:38:45 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 8/6/02 10:29:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > IainFerguson at AOL.COM writes: > > > Red Dwarf fan no.2 ( series 5 rules) > > > > TARANTULA ............ > > is this a spelling that Brits and Yanks disagree on? Or did Lister spell it > "taranshula" because he went to art college?? Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:54:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:54:53 EDT Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle Message-ID: > this event actually occurred a couple years ago: > Bootle Area plagued by Rats! > Residents of a Bootle Neighbourhood have had to take >desperate measures to > combat a plague of Rats in the area. > Men with air rifles have been seen shooting at the >growing Rat menace in the > Wordsworth Street area. Even children have took to Jamb a stick up their arses and roast em over a fire. Good eaten them thar city rats. Good with garlic butter. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 7 20:56:06 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:56:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:17:42 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Ah. Err, no it isn't... :-) > >However, you're kind of right. A bit like Ronnie Barker in Porrage >popularised the word "berk". As in the rhyming slang "Berkshire Hunt"... > >:-) I've certainly encountered the full term, "smegma", in the USA (it's also the name of a cool, long-lived, avant-garde/noise/rock band from the Portland, Oregon area). To be slightly-more on-topic (but probably in worse taste, and we're already on pretty shaky ground here), could the name of Hawkwind's toaster be used as rhyming slang for a similar, uh, something, from the other half of the population? I still haven't gotten a full handle on this rhyming slang thing (does that make me a cutesy American ;^)? ... or just an ugly one?), but I *do* get a kick out of being able to yell whilst onstage, "... rather tight ... about as tight as a kangaroo's KHYBER!" (And yeah, that one's on the setlist tonight.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >> > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas >> > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? >> > >> >> I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" ... From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 20:59:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:59:13 EDT Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:09:28 AEDT, Ted Jackson writes: > Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're > standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. Why aren't they > trying terriers? Or big, aggressive tomcats? > > theo A co2 powered bb gun would do the trick. Or a 22 calibre rifle with rat shot would be better. A sledge hammer?? Australia has a suplus of cane toads. We could send em all over their to sort out your rat problem. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 21:07:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:07:27 EDT Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:58:20 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > > > > Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're > > standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. Why aren't they > > trying terriers? Or big, aggressive tomcats? > > > > Get an Abysinnian cat. Those bastards will take out anything. We had one > that brought in between fifteen and twenty-five rabbits a year, a live > magpie (through the cat flap), game birds, and (once) a hare. For a house > in the country, we never had a problem with rodents. I figured that word > had got around and they were too scared to come near the place. > > He's getting old now, so the rabbit count is down to about 5pa. > > Those bastards walk around on their knuckles. > > (If anyone doesn't know an abby, think the shape of a siamese, the colour of > a wild rabbit and the build of an all in wrestler...) They taste shitty though From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 21:12:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:12:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:27:54 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > (Anyone wanting to know the derivation of smeg should, err, err... Their is a company in Adelaide called smeg. I think they make airconditioners or refridgerators. Isn't smeg actually a medical condition of some sort? Red dwarf tends to use a fair few gross medically defined ailments as insults. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 21:18:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:18:02 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Nahhhhhhh - they simply would have gone with channel four(?) ((the dirty channell)) in that case. Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrr!!! England has the best tv shows let me tell ya LOL In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:09:00 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 8/7/02 4:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET writes: > > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > > > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for "shit" or > "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. Perhaps > avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or perhaps > just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) I can > talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) > > Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Aug 7 21:29:00 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:29:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/02 5:56:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > I've certainly encountered the full term, "smegma", in the USA (it's also > the name of a cool, long-lived, avant-garde/noise/rock band from the > Portland, Oregon area). Hardy just reminded me of the "smegma" phenom...it's just been so long since I've heard it, but yes, at least here it does, refer to errrr....I hate to be sooo off-topic here on BOC-L and also distasteful, but can I say the word "cum" just once?? To be slightly-more on-topic (but probably in > worse taste, and we're already on pretty shaky ground here), ok, ok!! Though, have you noticed, and this is nothing against any one here ("I love y'all"), but notice it's these types of posts which seem to induce the most responses? i.e. Christian Mumford's latest escapades into Nazi punk/smeg-laced space-isms...hell, even Nik Turner posts always turn into a silly debate... Actually, and of course nothing against the Brits (god, i must be getting too defensive here), but any other posts here that get responses tend to chronicle (good "on-topic" word) HW's Brit-scapades...which the rest of us do enjoy reading, but sometimes feel a but envious (our prob, of course)... feeling as if I'm becoming the next Mike Coleman (bring 'im back!)...C From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Aug 7 21:29:16 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:29:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208080056.UAA19698@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >I've certainly encountered the full term, "smegma", in the USA (it's also >the name of a cool, long-lived, avant-garde/noise/rock band from the >Portland, Oregon area). Presently, Richard Meltzer/Borneo Jimmy does vocals with the group. The tropic of Nipples EP from offrecords.com features them doin' their avant garde musings under Meltzer reciting poetry. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 7 22:37:21 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:37:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. In-Reply-To: <03cb01c23e6e$d867a130$e4a323d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:02:07AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:02:07AM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: > To make this vaguely on-topic, my cat (who has lived with my parents for the > last twelve years, and has never caught anything bigger than a mouse > (although she had a novel way of getting those - she'd sit on a fencepost > and wait for one to scurry past, then just drop on it. Must have scared the > buggers to death!)) is called Zarozinia. Must have been reading her Winnie the Pooh :-) Standard jagular hunting technique. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Aug 7 22:58:52 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:58:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came about to begin with. Oh well, whatever....just a passing thought.....no biggie.... Anyway, that is a great Nik Turner interview in Aural Innovations, by the way.....just read it....to keep on the subject. Nik is real. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 03:31:41 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:31:41 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: I recall many years ago here in australia someone asking if they could bum a fag off of someone else. (could they have a cigarette) the english language is a funny thing indeed In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:01:49 AEDT, Tom Clark writes: > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > about to begin with. > > Oh well, whatever....just a passing thought.....no biggie.... > > Anyway, that is a great Nik Turner interview in Aural Innovations, by the > way.....just read it....to keep on the subject. Nik is real. From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 04:14:20 2002 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:14:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <005c01c23e87$87087260$b5b64c42@delta22gro18gj> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Anyway, that is a great Nik Turner interview in Aural Innovations, by the > way.....just read it....to keep on the subject. Nik is real. > He so is not. He doesn;t exist, due to being a fairy. That's how he gets to be immortal -- Kirsten Procter ghoti "Why is the alligator so ornery? Because he has an elongated medulla oblongata." From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Thu Aug 8 04:57:45 2002 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:57:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: For those who 'ain't got a Scooby' >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, >I've certainly encountered the full term, "smegma", in the USA >Isn't smeg actually a medical condition of some sort? Round here in London 'Smeg(ma)' is the name for that white cheesey stuff that builds up under your foreskin if you don't wash your willie often enough. It caused great hilarity when the brand of fridges came in the shops branded SMEG. And before i get any of the obvious replies i might add i wash mine regularly (and vigorously ;-)) America - Where flicking fag butts on the sidewalk turns from Littering to Sexual Assault Now i'm off with my Bob and Veras to wrap a blunt bye Dave From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 06:04:36 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:04:36 +1000 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Smeg is short for smegma, a natural lubricant on the foreskin. The word smeg has been used in comedy for twenty years or more. I was hoping someone else would come up with the answer and it is most inconvenient to be stirred from my apathy and sloth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > Nahhhhhhh - they simply would have gone with channel four(?) ((the dirty channell)) in that case. > Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrr!!! England has the best tv shows let me tell ya LOL > > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:09:00 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > > > In a message dated 8/7/02 4:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET writes: > > > > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those overseas > > > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > > > > > > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for "shit" or > > "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. Perhaps > > avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or perhaps > > just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) I can > > talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) > > > > Chuck From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 8 07:25:00 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:25:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Rats, Cats, and packets of fags. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Aug 2002, at 0:44, Nick Medford wrote: > For many years my folks kept a cat which was a hybrid- his mother was > an ordinary domestic moggy, but his father was a Scottish feral cat. > He was affectionate with us, but ferocious with anything else. Aside > from the usual slaughter of birds and rodents, he would often chase > and attack dogs, My aunt's cat once stalked our neighbor's dog, which was fairly small and somewhat old at the time. He pounced on the little dog's back and started ripping with his claws! The dog ki-yiiied all the way home... > One of the oddest hunting cat-related things I've seen is when they > catch frogs. I used to have a Siamese, who never caught anything. He'd let a mouse run right over his nose--hey, I wasn't paying him to kill things! But I had a book about Siamese cats and there was an anecdote in it about a Siamese owner in Arizona whose cat killed a rattlesnake in they guy's house! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 8 07:30:47 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:30:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <63.fb4535f.2a83235c@aol.com> Message-ID: On 7 Aug 2002, at 21:29, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > Hardy just reminded me of the "smegma" phenom...it's just been so long > since I've heard it, but yes, at least here it does, refer to > errrr....I hate to be sooo off-topic here on BOC-L and also > distasteful, but can I say the word "cum" just once?? > Not exactly, but you're in the right neighborhood. You don't encounter smegma much over here, as most guys are circumcised, at least those born bet. 1940 and around 1990. Now they don't snip them anymmore... theo From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 07:59:02 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:59:02 +1000 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: If it is good enough for Ace Rimmer it is good enough for all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > On 7 Aug 2002, at 21:29, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > Hardy just reminded me of the "smegma" phenom...it's just been so long > > since I've heard it, but yes, at least here it does, refer to > > errrr....I hate to be sooo off-topic here on BOC-L and also > > distasteful, but can I say the word "cum" just once?? > > > Not exactly, but you're in the right neighborhood. You don't > encounter smegma much over here, as most guys are circumcised, > at least those born bet. 1940 and around 1990. Now they don't snip > them anymmore... > > theo From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 8 08:00:10 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:00:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. Message-ID: Mr Christian...are you going somewhere? Why?? You must have got confused somewhere along the line...this suggests that maybe you're upset...Oh dear...oh well.. >From: Amphetamine Embalmer >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 R.I.P. >Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:22:27 +0100 > >After all these years, I have had to give up the >mantle as a Hawkwind deadhead of so many years to >someone else, almost as if by magic. Hope they enjoy >it as raga! Fourteen years, whew, what a time I've >had... > >And do watch out for The Chameleons - great band... > >Christian Mumford >Hawkwind deadhead 1988-2002 > >http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > >crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake >speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 8 08:29:13 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:29:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos Message-ID: thanks for the photos...great memories...i lost my one use cammera so these help muchness!! >From: KevinSommers >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: Hastings Pier and HawkFest photos >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:37:17 -0700 > >I've posted some photos here: >http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291543871 >Disclaimer: also contains boring vacation pictures, as well as one looking >up my nose. > > >KevinSommers >"Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" thanx for the photos _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 8 08:39:52 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:39:52 +0000 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: Ain't everyone gettin their knickers in a twist..!!Well We'll have to settle this somehow Skane...you touchy cokroach you!! I'm just lovin watchin you all get so wound up!! Life at last on the list ::HO bloody ho Skane!4Q wiv a damp swordfish. >From: Richard Lockwood >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:37:37 +0100 > >I think he was having a go at Mr Embalmer -not you. > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Skane" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > > > I type one little message and I piss you off. Ha ha, good you pathetic > > uptight braindead clockwork little moron. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "alan day" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > > > > > > You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming > > fluid...OD > > > and do us all a favour!! > > > > > > > > > >From: Steven Skane > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > > > > > > > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is > > > >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of > > water. > > > >I > > > >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of >me. >I > > > >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we >dont > > > >need the toolshed locked and chained. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Stephe Lindas" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took >your > > > > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? >Dave > > > >Brock > > > > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. >Cheers > > > > > STEPHE > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > > > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 8 08:46:08 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:46:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Me again...wots up Mr NO it all... Ho Ho get yer faxs right b4 callin me a little asshole...Oh..I1m just soooo upset!!yeah yeah!! its not fair... >From: Steven Skane >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:04:36 +1000 > >Smeg is short for smegma, a natural lubricant on the foreskin. The word >smeg >has been used in comedy for twenty years or more. I was hoping someone else >would come up with the answer and it is most inconvenient to be stirred >from >my apathy and sloth. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael W Blackman" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:18 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > > > Nahhhhhhh - they simply would have gone with channel four(?) ((the >dirty >channell)) in that case. > > Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrr!!! England has the best tv shows let me tell ya LOL > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:09:00 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg > writes: > > > > > In a message dated 8/7/02 4:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET writes: > > > > > > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those >overseas > > > > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for >"shit" or > > > "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. >Perhaps > > > avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or >perhaps > > > just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) >I >can > > > talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) > > > > > > Chuck _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 09:18:36 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:18:36 +1000 Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: Yeah right dickhead. This was a week ago. I had happily forgotten you insisting the moderater ban me. I saw your name and now I know why I didn't like it. I will just ignore your trollish stupidity. I was told you have quite a sad history of this. I see it is true. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY Ain't everyone gettin their knickers in a twist..!!Well We'll have to settle this somehow Skane...you touchy cokroach you!! I'm just lovin watchin you all get so wound up!! Life at last on the list ::HO bloody ho Skane!4Q wiv a damp swordfish. >From: Richard Lockwood >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:37:37 +0100 > >I think he was having a go at Mr Embalmer -not you. > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Skane" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > > > I type one little message and I piss you off. Ha ha, good you pathetic > > uptight braindead clockwork little moron. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "alan day" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > > > > > > You are pissin me off and I will gladly be your opiate embalming > > fluid...OD > > > and do us all a favour!! > > > > > > > > > >From: Steven Skane > > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:07:10 +1000 > > > > > > > >He types the same way I do, with my nose. Once it is callused it is > > > >bearable. When he gets good he can busk in the city with a glass of > > water. > > > >I > > > >have not had a frontal lobotomy but I have had a bottle in front of >me. >I > > > >have had taps to relieve the pressure in my skull.......that way we >dont > > > >need the toolshed locked and chained. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Stephe Lindas" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:34 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you type with a Straight jacket on? Are you sure you took >your > > > > > medicine this morning/afternoon? Had a frontal lobotomy lately? >Dave > > > >Brock > > > > > is a godsend. Don't believe for a minute he'd rip off his fans. >Cheers > > > > > STEPHE > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > > > > > Subject: HW: Hawkwind have no right to rip off their fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hawkwind have no right to rip off or fleece their > > > > > > fans, particularly those adults among us who are not > > > > > > virgins here or elsewhere for that matter, be it > > > > > > metalheads, punks or hippys who don't give a fuck > > > > > > about the band except for their music and their more > > > > > > honorable intentions and traditions. Hawkwind have > > > > > > over the years produced a massive quantity of quality > > > > > > and not so quality music for fans of good music of > > > > > > invaluable wealth to modern subculture we'd hate to > > > > > > see turn into an operation to target their fans as > > > > > > simpletons. Hawkwind fans, give Dave Brock and his > > > > > > cronies the finger when it counts, and forgive him for > > > > > > being a fucking retard on occasion and tell him to > > > > > > take a piss at humanity and its repercussions > > > > > > elsewhere like a gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Charlie Yuga > > > > > > http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake > > > > > > speedfreak Front 242: take a walk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 09:30:17 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:30:17 +0800 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Michael William Blackman (that's w..w..w..Blackman) wrote: > I recall many years ago here in Australia someone asking if they could bum a fag off of someone else. (could they have a cigarette) > the English language is a funny thing indeed Yeah, It's amazing how we got "bum" and "fag" in the same sentence and no-one got hurt :-) From sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 09:32:02 2002 From: sskane at BIGPOND.NET.AU (Steven Skane) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:32:02 +1000 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: What. You went beserk trying to get me banned on one post that had nothing to do with you and which you thought was written by amphetamine embalmer and you are that pissed off you are not going to stop sending your semi literate moronic drivel. You were that angry that you didn't even notice you were going crazy at someone other than your intended target which I enjoyed. You are obviously very unwell and unhappy which is nice to know but I can't be bothered with people like you. Go away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! Me again...wots up Mr NO it all... Ho Ho get yer faxs right b4 callin me a little asshole...Oh..I1m just soooo upset!!yeah yeah!! its not fair... >From: Steven Skane >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:04:36 +1000 > >Smeg is short for smegma, a natural lubricant on the foreskin. The word >smeg >has been used in comedy for twenty years or more. I was hoping someone else >would come up with the answer and it is most inconvenient to be stirred >from >my apathy and sloth. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael W Blackman" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:18 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > > > Nahhhhhhh - they simply would have gone with channel four(?) ((the >dirty >channell)) in that case. > > Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrr!!! England has the best tv shows let me tell ya LOL > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:09:00 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg > writes: > > > > > In a message dated 8/7/02 4:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET writes: > > > > > > > >Is "smeg" a peculiarly English thing, available only to those >overseas > > > > >people in the Red-Dwarf-know ? > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's just a "futuristic slang word" which can stand in for >"shit" or > > > "fuck", so that RD could virtually get away w/the above two taboos. >Perhaps > > > avaialble to any Western countries afiliated w/the Space Corps...or >perhaps > > > just reserved for futuristic Brits... (not so off-topic, right??) :) >I >can > > > talk about HW or BOC, if needs must... (sigh) > > > > > > Chuck _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Aug 8 12:44:47 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:44:47 -0400 Subject: OFF (Way-OFF): Bootle Message-ID: >Bootle Area plagued by Rats! >Residents of a Bootle Neighbourhood have had to take desperate measures to >combat a plague of Rats in the area. Look out, City Baby Attacked by Rats! No wait, I think that was Birmingham. >> Men with air rifles have been seen shooting at the growing Rat menace >> in the Wordsworth Street area. >Hmm...a B.B. gun isn't going to take out a rat unless you're >standing right next to it and hit it right in the brain. I think maybe you were using underpowered weaponry. We used to use airguns to explode heavy glass bottles from 80-100 feet away. Would certainly send a rat to that Great Sewer In The Sky. Stephan From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Aug 8 14:10:05 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > about to begin with. My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. scorch From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Aug 8 15:32:38 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (The Word Meister) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:32:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208081811.g78IBLh18170@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: That is correct. The term derives from the old English for stick. -TWM ________________________ Life is too important to take seriously. -- Corky Siegel ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of John H. McCartney ::Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:10 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! :: :: ::> Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang ::connotates someone ::> attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. ::> ::> When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it ::made me laugh ::> due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came ::> about to begin with. :: :: ::My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes ::from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, ::as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. ::I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... :: ::As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. :: :: ::scorch From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 15:58:01 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:58:01 +0100 Subject: HW: "Spirit of the Age" help needed. In-Reply-To: <000a01c2279d$d056e6a0$6bacacac@b>; from rich.warren@BTINTERNET.COM on Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 06:10:26PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 06:10:26PM -0500, Rich Warren typed out: > Wasn't this reissued by virgin on CD with bonus tracks as Tales From the > Atomhenge: The Robert Calvert Years? Think it was. Prolly one of the best > Hawkwind compilations around :-) You might hav a better chance of picking > this one up. I sold my copy recently. > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Wonder if you can help a friend of mine on another list. He's after > "Spirit > > > Of The Age" as detailed below - and I was wondering if anyone had a > copy > > > spare for sale or trade. He can't find the bugger anywhere. If anyone > can > > > help, please drop me a line and I'll pass your details onto him. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Right. What I'm after is "Spirit of the Age". This is complicated > beacuse > > > > there appear to be two Hawkwind albums called "Spirit of tha Age" > (Three > > > if > > > > you include "Spirit of the Age - The Solstice Remix"). One released > by > > > > Virgin in September 1988 and one released by Elite records in October > > > 1991. > > > > (Neither are listed at HMV) I'm after the Virgin release with the > track > > > > listing as .... > > > > > > > > The Forge of Vulcan (Introduction Out-take) > > > > Flying Doctor > > > > Steppenwolf > > > > Hassan I Sabha > > > > Twenty Five Years > > > > Jack of Shadows > > > > PSI Power > > > > Reefer Madness > > > > Fable of a Failed Race > > > > Highrise > > > > Quark Strangeness and Charm > > > > Back on the Streets > > > > Kerb Crawler > > > > Only the Dreams of the Cold War Kid > > > > Spirit of the Age This is in fact not quite the same as _Tales from Atomhenge_ which I grant you is a good compilation. It's principally notable for having the ASAM B-sides `Honky Dorky' and `Dream of Isis' on it. This seems to squeeze in `Jack of Shadows' instead. I've got the *other* SotA comp. So there are a number of alternatives but a Kollector might want the original. If "Roger" is not a Kollector, I think Rich's advice is sound, go for _Tales_, better track selection and still seen sometimes, albeit on Ebay mostly... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 15:41:04 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:41:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! In-Reply-To: <200208012008.QAA23447@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:08:30PM -0400 Message-ID: Gah. Typed a long reply to this and then Pine choked on it and lost the lot. Using Mutt this time, I note that on Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:08:30PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > Ian's comments below are the most intelligent in this thread so far > (although a couple other messages have been almost as amusing as > Christian's originals) ... if you don't like what's being said, don't read > his messages! There are certainly already people on this list that *I* do > that for. It's got better again before it's got worse, and the people I would once have complained about are no longer the ones I would now. But there never used to be people I would ignore utterly as there are now. > And in the absence of Jon Jarrett and Keith Henderson, Christian is > certainly posting the most *interesting* messages on the list at the moment > (whether or not you "agree" with them). Flattery will get you nowhere, except apparently in as much as it'll bring me out of the woodwork to bear on this one myself. I'm still here, I'm just very very backlogged with my replies. Leaping out of the queue for a minute or two then... > As I see it, people are whining for two primary reasons: > 1) the "Hawkwind ripoff" troll. Since plenty of people have complained > about Voiceprint, OzIT, Nik, Dave Anderson, and others "ripping off" the > fans, that obviously isn't sufficient grounds for banning someone (however, > I *do* wish Christian would explain himself since I have no idea what he's > talking about, although I know many people [NOT ME!] have been unhappy > with, say, 'Glastonbury 90'). I would like to know, too, but I've not seen Christian reply to anything other than a flame so far though he did pick up one comment I made in alt.music.spacerock I think. He and I used to be occasional correspondents so perhaps it was for old times' sake or something. Now anyway. > 2) referring to Adam Strider as a "jew". Can someone explain the > difference between that, and me referring to Christian as a "norwegian". > Both are undeniably true statements. (Having said that, I'll have to point > out that Adam is one of the nicest folk I've ever met, and his 'zine was/is > one of the best I've ever read, with excellent coverage of neo-psych, > experimental, and even bits of free jazz and indierock, along with the > usual spacerock ... I have no idea what Christian's problem with him - or > vice versa - is.) I think Arin put the answer to that rather better than I can. It does seem to be rather a feature of the ways in which Christian's current incarnation aims to get attention. > Certainly some of the replies to Christian's messages have been far more > offensive and insulting than his original ones, but I'm not calling for a > ban of any of *those* people. After all, *he* hasn't referred to anyone > as "excrement" or "imbecilic". This list is, by and large, even now, one of the most civilised fora I've encountered on the 'net, and I'm not telling you where the others are :-) A few people with poor vocabularies notwithstanding. The whole question of Christian's reappearance brings out the historian in me. He used to be such a *nice* boy, style of thing. If you compare these two messages with the current day ones you see why some of us with long memories might have been pleased to see the man back: On Sun Dec 01 1996 at 16:01:01 mumford at eunet.no> wrote: > >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:02:18 +0200 >From: Christian Mumford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: OFF : sig. > >Chris Baxley wrote: >> >> Jon writes: >> > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) >> >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. > Well, a ship can't have two captains, can it? Who's steered the ship >thru hell and high water? Helmsman of the Spaceship Hawkwind, mr. Dave >Brock!! Turner was like the mad navigator or something... If Brock buys >it (lets hope not for at least another 25+ years...), who knows, maybe >Nik will come along to scavenge whats left of Hawkwind. Sorry if I sound >morbid here, but the whole NikWind thing bothers the hell outta me. I >mean, look at the Grateful Dead (again)... just because Robert Hunter >was a very important part of the whole idea and music that was the Dead, >Garcia was the glue that kept it together. Nobody went around claiming >they were the Dead, everybody just seemed to accept that it was A >BAND (and later a corporation...), not TWO. Im running out of bad >metaphors here, so i'll toss whats left of this last one to the >hounds... > >Christian And on Mon Feb 10 1997 at 15:36:30 he wrote: > >Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:25:55 +0100 >From: Christian Mumford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: More Xenon Codex Talk > >>In message <01IBCBREXWS295MUYA at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >>>Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy, daddy said to me 'Get a job'" >>>repeating over and over again? Silly but not that funny. :) I think BOC >>>win the humour sweepstakes... >> >>OK it's not bust-a-gut comedy. The "get a job, get a job, get a job" is >>pretty apt, I thought at the time. The humour is in the samples like the >>snip from "If I Were A Rich Man" followed by sheep bleating, for >>instance. Then there's all those Looney Tunes bits at the end. OK it's >>not like a joke you can share down the pub but it's not exactly serious >>either. And of course, it rocks, there's always that! >> > >Hey, back in college I made this special trip-tape, and I recorded the >bouncy cartoon noises (y'know, the spoink-sploing-boing etc...) at the >end of that song over and over and over (at least 10-15 times), that, >sandwiched between snippets of Floyd's 'Interstellar Overdrive' played >backwards ('Overstellar Interdrive'...) and 'rapping' the coughing intro >on Black Sabbath's 'Sweet Leaf' back and forth for about 5 minutes at >varying speeds made for some pretty bizarre sonic backdrops - We scared >all the straight people away from parties with that tape.... > >As for Space Bandits, I think it's one of Hawkwind's weakest albums, but >better than Church of Hawkwind and IITBOTFTBD (the latter which is the >all time _worst_). > >The lyrics to 'Wings' are particularly cringingly bad, absolutely a >terrible song (whether it's for a good cause or not...). > > Xenon is up there in my top 7 1/2 or something. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >"I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" > >Christian Mumford As you can see he brightened the odd day here and there. He was still around when I first fell off the list but was around as late as April 1998. At some point while I wasn't paying attention he dropped off the net, and then we got a brief sign of return with this. On Mon Aug 2 1999 at 10:25:02 PDT eggfoolejung at hotmail.com wrote: >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:25:02 PDT >From: Suicide Victory >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: HW: Spacerock radio > >Hello all, > >After months offlist I seem to have temporarily overcome several fits of >spontaneous mutations (Slaine lingo: warp spasms) enough to get it all >together and resub in the wake of a mini spacerock radio show.....------> > > >Spacerock playlist, Radio Nova FM 99.3, Oslo, 01/08/99 >1 hr. show interspersed with parts of Steve Hackett's "Dark Town" + >interview > >Orange Goblin / Star Shaped Cloud - "Frequencies From Planet Ten", 1997 >Alan Davey / Ancient Light - "Captured Rotation", 1996 >Alan Davey / Never Come Down - "Captured Rotation" >Anubian Lights / The Fire Breathes - "Let Not The Flame Die Out", 1998 >Orange Goblin / The Astral Project - "Frequencies From Planet Ten" >Orange Goblin / Magic Carpet - "Frequencies From Planet Ten" > >Not much new as my musical budget has been less than usual, but a massive >6 hour Hawkwind special will be broadcast later this month.... > >Christian > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com At about the same time he reappeared on alt.music.psychedelic, mostly in cross-posts from alt.magic and other fora, in short, he was making a nuisance of himself. This e-mail address bit the dust soon afterwards. I'm trying to remember if it was at this point or later he started talking about the Church of Satan a lot. No big deal, some of my best friends are Satanists (well, one of them) but it was a change. Then on May 17th this year he popped up here again with a small clutch of reviews and the first reference to the Charlie Yuga site.[1] They went to several newsgroups as well and there it was as Charlie Yuga, here they arrived under his old name, presumably because we at least would know it. And then not long after that we start up with the Steve Hillage in Nazi regalia stuff, which I didn't bother to save. Most of it is also going to alt.music.psychedelic, alt.music.spacerock and at least one of the Motorhead newsgroups too. I've had a reply to a comment I made in the latter of those groups, but nothing else seems to have got one. It's my conclusion then that whatever his personal ethics may or may not be these days, he's indubitably trolling, trailing a number of coats so as to make it more effective, and given that the list doesn't actually *need* shaking up at the moment, and that he seems to be being disruptive (and halfway hoping to sell his artwork and magazines) in a large area of the Internet just now, where he will if that is his aim surely attract the supremacist morons he's hoping to sell stuff to, we don't need to know whether or not he believes what he's peddling to say, enough, trolling to no purpose, Ben Cohen where are you? But I imagine people are already asking him this by themselves so I'll just say, what on earth happened to this once-friendly acidhead? Yours, Jon [1] That doesn't inspire me to friendliness either. ObCD: Led Zeppelin - _II_ for the Pine draft, Monster Magnet's _Spine of God_ for this one. -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 16:12:12 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:12:12 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Arthur Brown and Voiceprint Message-ID: Dear All, excuse me while I adopt a posture of false nonchalance. There we are, it's on. Hey, bumped into Arthur Brown on the train the other day, got chatting the way you do and so on... Subject of Voiceprint happened to come up because he's trying to get his back catalogue out and I said how I'd not thought Voiceprint had really done that great a job with the Kingdom Come discs (which have one set of liner notes between the three of them, really lousy reissue artwork and unnamed bonus tracks which on _Kingdom Come_ at least are just out-take versions of the album tracks, which suggests that whoever did the sleeve didn't actually listen to the album or he'd have known what they were). He said, by way of reply, something very much like this: "Well, it's an odd choice an artist faces these days... I mean you can sign up with someone like Sanctuary who are very highly regarded, and get 40p a CD; or you can sign with Voiceprint and get ?1.20 a CD." I was quite surprised by this, as I'd understood from I know no longer where that their royalties were meagre, but apparently not. So there you have it, there is *something* to be said for them after all... For those interested in such things, Mr Brown is recording a new album at the moment, in Ely, more electric than the halfway-acoustic stuff he's been doing of late (pity in a way, the cello, percussion and steel line-up he had at Canterbury was really haunting) and trying to sort out the new deal for his back catalogue and selling stuff through his website at , and expects all these things to get somewhere quite early on next year. And he's a really nice bloke also, civil to a fault and happy to talk to a nervous fanboy he didn't know from Adam. So there we have it. Yours, Jon ObLP: ST37 - _Secret Society_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 16:24:51 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:24:51 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Les Vegas Message-ID: Dear All, some advice, if I can ask you for it? I was perusing the Cellsum webpage the day before yesterday because I still don't have _Piece of Work_ and was planning to assemble an order of that and a couple of other things. Now I discover their prices have gone up rather, so I'll be restrained (stoppit) and only get one thing besides that, but what? I was planning to make it _Solid Citizens_ but in the time I've been meaning to do this _To Helen With Love_ has also emerged (yes, my organisation is not great, I know). And more importantly for this message, _Fool's Gold_ by Les Vegas, the boy Braunstein of the original SWU. On closer inspection this doesn't seem to have any SWU tracks on it per se, but there are several tracks which feature Donald Roeser and/or Al Bouchard at various points in Braunstein's career, from 1972 to not quite sure when, and one also with John Trivers for an interesting BOC-connected line-up. It's also marked as "limited". So, what I wonder is, given that the man is inclined to use the word "retrospectacle" and that his stage name suggests he is almost utterly without discernment :-) has anyone else picked this up and can anyone tell me whether it's any good? It surely has Kollector's value, but is it a Thanksgiving present or something I actually want? Yours, grateful for data, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 8 16:53:40 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:53:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:05 -0700, John H. McCartney wrote: >My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes >from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, >as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. >I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... Entirely correct. Specifically, it refers to a sticks bundled together for the purpose of burning (which, of course, is what you do to a cigarette) in a stove or fireplace. >As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. It's because of what was done to those people in particularly brutal, closed-minded societies. Not a pleasant thought at all. A similar idea to the song, "Strange Fruit", perhaps ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Aug 8 17:07:30 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:07:30 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Les Vegas In-Reply-To: <20020808212451.E27984@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: > Dear All, > some advice, if I can ask you for it? > has anyone else picked this up [Les Vegas, "Fool's Gold"] and can anyone tell > me whether it's any good? Re: Les Vegas, I don't know. I know that wasn't helpful, but bear with me. You can't go wrong with "To Helen With Love." There is some excellent Helen Wheels songwriting orchestrated by groupings such as Al/Joe/Buck Dharma and Joe & "2 guys from Alice Cooper." I have both this album and Solid Citizens and I would definitely recommend the former. That said, the final Helen Wheels (and the Skeleton Crew) album might be even better. Here are some of her best lyrics presented garage band style by The Skeleton Crew (a.k.a. Static Cling). Think Detroit rock 'n' roll fronted by a punk priestess. Brian OBsong> "...And It's a Drag" -Helen Wheels & The Skeleton Crew From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 8 17:08:57 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:57 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Arthur Brown and Voiceprint Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:12:12 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Subject of Voiceprint happened to come up because he's trying to >get his back catalogue out and I said how I'd not thought Voiceprint had >really done that great a job with the Kingdom Come discs ... >He said, by way of reply, something very much like this: "Well, >it's an odd choice an artist faces these days... I mean you can sign up >with someone like Sanctuary who are very highly regarded, and get 40p a >CD; or you can sign with Voiceprint and get ?1.20 a CD." I was quite >surprised by this, as I'd understood from I know no longer where that >their royalties were meagre, but apparently not. So there you have it, >there is *something* to be said for them after all... I'm no expert on the music business, but ?1.20 a CD in royalties is HUGE! Like, unprecedentally huge! Gigantic! Most major label bands would see much, much closer to the 40p value (and they won't even see that until the label has recouped their advance, which probably doesn't happen until they've sold about 100,000 copies, a figure that most major label bands never reach). It's obvious that Voiceprint cut corners in some places, which must be what allows them to do this. But man, I am impressed. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 8 17:09:03 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:09:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208082053.QAA02829@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! : [snip] :>As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. : :It's because of what was done to those people in particularly brutal, :closed-minded societies. Not a pleasant thought at all. A similar idea to :the song, "Strange Fruit", perhaps ... hey.....who did the song "Strange Fruit"? (I'm rather fond of a British comedy movie called Still Crazy, about a 70s band getting back together in the 90s, and the name of the band is "Strange Fruit". Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Aug 8 17:12:44 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:09:03PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:09:03PM -0500, Arin Komins wrote: > hey.....who did the song "Strange Fruit"? Billie Holiday -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Aug 8 17:15:56 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:15:56 -0700 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > hey.....who did the song "Strange Fruit"? (I'm rather fond of a British > comedy movie called Still Crazy, about a 70s band getting back together in > the 90s, and the name of the band is "Strange Fruit". Billie Holliday, Zappa also covered it. scorch From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 8 17:48:39 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:48:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200207111921.PAA10215@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:21:21PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:21:21PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > Truly a pleasure to discuss these issues with you ... If only I was on top of my mail enough that the exhange didn't take a month and a half... > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:08:11 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 05:19:55PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > >> Why would you blame Voiceprint? Their only alternative would be to > >> refuse to release whatever material is deemed "sub-standard" ... > > > > Well, mostly I blame Voiceprint because I think they're a bunch of > >cowboys, in that their releases show a minimum of care and effort only > >undercut by Oz-IT, > > ... who just (finally!) released Captain Beefheart's 'Bat Chain Puller' > sessions on CD, so you will NOT hear me complain one word about that label! Mmm. I heard dubious things about that release. Thanks to Google Groups I can repost them, too. You will find in alt.fan.capt-beefheart, or you would if it hadn't long expired, this message: >From: "JWB" >Newsgroups: alt.fan.capt-beefheart >Subject: Dust Sucker.....SUCKS! >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:26:05 -0500 >Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >Message-ID: >Reply-To: "JWB" >References: <3C9C518B.3ACA2B45 at tonyburke.net> > >Sorry, folks. > >I got my copy today and I have to say that it's quite poor. > >The "Bat Chain Puller" album is definitely from a new, unbootlegged source. >(The reel-to-reel pictured inside?) > >....but it sounds like a 4th or 5th generation cassette dub. The bootleg >version that is coupled with the mono "Safe As Milk" sounds VASTLY >superior. THAT bootleg was supposedly mastered from an original promo >cassette...the one that was released in Europe. > >That promo cassette would have been a much better source than the shitty >piece of oxide used here. > >To add insult to injury...there is a 3-second gap of dead silence in- >between every song. The tracks do not "fade out". So you hear >"hisssssssssss.......silence........hisssssssssssss". This disc was >"remastered by Owith Sahmet". Good job Owith! > >The blatant hype and incorrect information in the booklet is just >plain....insulting. "The Captain's original master tapes" my asshole. > >The live tracks come with no information. The unientified version of >"Bat Chain Puller" sounds superb. I don't know which show "Flavor Bud >Living" comes from either. Anybody know? I'm sure that all of the >bonus tracks are stolen from other bootlegs. > >Three other live cuts are from the NYC '78 show...but they are taken >from a poor-sounding, off-speed bootleg instead of the MASTER TAPE >that was released by Rhino. Here he refers to _I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do: live at My Father's Place 1978_ on Rhino Handmade which is quite fun; I got it along with _St Cecilia_. The trombone is a bit loud but it's clear enough. And the encore comes on a separate 3" mini-CD so you have to love that. But I digress... >These "Milksafe" people put off an air of "Beeheartian scholar"....but >in fact they don't seem to know SHIT. > >Why am I the only person here who seems to think this? > >This release is surprisingly poor, even by "bootleg" standards. > >Don't be fooled. > >- JWB And later this: >From: "JWB" >Newsgroups: alt.fan.capt-beefheart >Subject: For Teejo (Dust Sucker) >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:09:34 -0500 >Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >Message-ID: >Reply-To: "JWB" > >Teejo - > >I listened to it again and noticed some more things: > >The song "Bat Chain Puller" has a complete intro here. BUT...."Floppy >Boot Stomp" is cut at the beginning. > >There are tons of dropouts and an abundance of hiss. > >Every song has a *slightly* longer fade-out than on any other disc. >The live tracks are NOT all from My Father's Place '78. > >I think that "Bat Chain Puller" and "Flavor Bud Living" might be from >the Amsterdam '80 show. That is the only soundboard that I don't >have...I don't recognize these versions, they are definitely >from 1980, and the sound quality is A+ stereo. > >13. Bat Chain Puller - Amsterdam 80?, excellent stereo sound >14. Harry Irene - My Father's Place 78, off-speed...poor sound >15. Flavor Bud Living - Amsterdam 80?, excellent stereo sound >16. Floppy Boot Stomp - My Father's Place 78, off-speed...poor sound >17. Owed T' Alex - My Father's Place 78, off-speed...poor sound >18. Well Well Well - Decals outtake, very noise reduced >19. My Human Gets Me Blues - stolen from "Grow Fins" > >- JWB So, in summary, they've used tapes worse than the most available bootleg, filled it up with live stuff of which two tracks actually justify the hype, but the rest is already legitimately out there bar one, and all sounding terrible, the mastering's sloppy, the sound is bad, and the liner notes downright wrong. Sounds like an Oz-IT:Morpheus job to me, sorry to say. Okay this critic's a purist fan, most probably, but you can safely say that had Oz-IT just procured themselves a copy of one of the bootlegs of _Bat Chain Puller_ and pressed that they'd have had a better product. Now the chances of Gial Zappa ever releasing the real thing are even further reduced because there's already a `legit' version out there. Hmph. > > ... but on the other hand they get the stuff out > >there. They are essentially a distributor so maybe that's why, but > >incomplete tracklists, botched credits, substandard artwork, no > >post-production, you can say all this about so many of their products, > > This is true for a lot (but not all!) of the Hawkwind stuff, but, for > instance, the Man and Fall reissues are *very well* done IMHO (of course > the artwork on the Fall reissues is very "substandard", but with the Fall, > it's supposed to be that way!). And "find-the-mistakes-in-the-credits" has > been a fun game for Hawkwind fans since long before they started releasing > stuff through Voiceprint (hello, Doug Buckley!). Ho yus indeed. But when it was EBS doing it it was just typoes and imaginative additions of credits for new synth backings. Not the wrong tracklist. What Man issues have they handled? I thought all Man stuff was coming out on BGO? Lots of it does seem to be... > >and the whole mispressed _Spacebrock_ as bonus CD affair suggests to > >me that they're doing half this stuff on a wing and a prayer. > > But at least they actually re-pressed it with the correct version. That's > more than you can say for EBS (see: 'Distant Horizons', which never got > proper mastering, versus 'Yule Ritual', which most certainly *did* get post- > production mastering, even if it made the bass sound like !#%$@ IMHO [as a > bass player]). EBS didn't actually issue anything after that, so you could say they never got the chance. _Distant Horizons_ wasn't ready but it doesn't sound bad, it just sounds unfinished to me. And I'd rather have it that way, with proper mixing, than _Yule Ritual_'s Dave-up Jerry-down post-production, and I agree with you about the bass. I do think it's the best thing Voiceprint have issued under the HW name in terms of the label's input but it still leaves something to be desired as a release. > > Yeah, it's the distribution I have the issues with really. _Yule > >Ritual_ is good though the vocals are oddly high up in the mix; I can't > >stand the artwork though, the credits are wrong and the photos mostly from > >a different gig, several of Huw who's not on the disc, so on. > > I believe that Voiceprint have made a replacement booklet available for > free (has anyone gotten one?). If that's true, they deserve a lot of > credit for it (just as they do for properly repressing 'Spacebrock'). I believe they said they would do it but no-one has one. And I also believe they repressed _Spacebrock_ because they hadn't done a full run yet and Dave rang them up and gave them hell. It's up to Dave whether or not they can release after all. I'm sure they'd have carried on if he hadn't protested. And using the wrong tape is not a thing you want a label to be doing haphazardly. It's not like this is an amateur concern, they're turning over thousands of units. > Well, there's only so much you can do to clean up a lo-fi live recording. > The problems with 'Glastonbury 90' are especially troublesome; filtering > out wind noises and audience speech are next to impossible. Getting rid of > tape hiss and adding "clarity"/"punchiness" to a recording are much easier > (although unfortunately the latter is easy to overdo these days, witness > the 'Yule Ritual' bass). Does it strike you that anyone tried? Rob Ayling posted here saying, more or less, that he just took the tape Dave gave him and pressed it. Again not great business practice IMO. > > I'm not sure that these things are advertising mainstream product > >particularly well! No, I don't think they should be band-distributed, I'd > >expect to see them in mail-order catalogues, that sort of stuff, I don't > >think they should be considered to be high-street-able. I reckon if you're > >going to put Collector on it anyway you might as well put it where the > >Collectors are looking. > > That's a good point. I could see selling stuff like that > through "specialty" outlets like CDS or (if they're at all active) the > Freak Emporium or Forced Exposure, etc. Freak Emporium is alive and well, staff of eight these days which makes me wonder why they can never keep anything in stock for long, shiny new website at , increasingly mainstream selection of stuff but still unrivalled in their precise field, albeit swamped by CDS in most others. Forced Exposure I don't know about; and there are millions of others too. Well: a few. > I guess you're saying, "don't release it unless it's near perfect" and I'm > saying, "don't release it unless it's as good as it's gonna get". Neither > one an invalid outlook IMO. Oh no. I agree with you, I'm being realistic, I just don't think effort has been made to get them `as good as they'll get', or to indicate how good they aren't. > Yeah, you have to look at it from several perspectives. There's the > hardkore fan (like me) who wants it all, and is more than willing to forego > sound quality for a good performance ... *I* want to be able to get all the > stuff at the local shop. Then there's the casual or new fan (however, I'd > have to believe that there are not very many of either of these with > Hawkwind these days) who might see both the EMI mid-price remasters and the > Voiceprint Collectors' series at the store, and runs the risk of buying the > hardkore-fans-only releases instead of the essential EMI ones. And then > there's the band/label perspective - if they limit distribution to only > specialty outlets, they're cutting off a good proportion of potential > sales, which is obviously not in their best interest. And from the band's > (well, at least Dave's) perspective, I would bet that he sees a much larger > royalty rate from the Voiceprint releases than the EMI ones. I think the slew of Voiceprint material may have something to do with the drop in price of the jewel-case remasters. On the other hand lots of EMI's remasters seem to be going cheap at the moment too: HMV haven't caught up with it yet but I can find the Deep Purple Mk II remasters for less than a tenner now, even the 2CDs. They were overpriced, however. I can see EMI bringing the price down to make sure it's their stuff that gets picked in that situation, all the same. You do also appear to be right about the Voiceprint royalties, as I say, so that does explain a lot. And of course we know how they can afford to pay those royalties, right, because they aren't exactly running a high-cost quality operation here. > Another way to do it would be simply to make sure that poor sound quality > is matched with "cheap" artwork, along the lines of those 20-some Pearl Jam > live albums that were released a couple years back (in what looked like > rubber-stamped paperboard sleeves). Although part of the reason to > own 'Complete 79' is for the nice reproduction of the tour programme > (better art than *any* EBS release IMO). That is true. But some of us just have the programme :-) (Although I confess I didn't have when the thread started :-)) > And I guess that's where our difference of opinion lies. The only reason I > don't like 'Yuri Gagarin' is because I think the performance is weak; the > sound quality is perfectly acceptable *for what it is* (pretty much the > ONLY documentation of the post-'Space Ritual' Calvert-fronted lineup). And > there are kollektors out there who would KILL for *any* tape with Lemmy > performing the 'Warrior' live set (because one is not known to exist), even > if it sounded like it was recorded from under someone's seat at the back of > the hall. But 'Text Of Festival' is still one of my alltime favorite > Hawkwind albums ... the only one that really demonstrates what they were > capable of in those early days. I do like _Text of Festival_ even if there's a reason that second LP has never made it to CD (cor dear it's ropey, and not just for dropouts and fading... ), but _Yuri Gagarin_ is unparalleledly awful and it annoys me a great deal that I have to have it just so I can occasionally play `Wage War' and `In The Egg', because nothing else on there is audible enough to be worth the candle. And again, "what it is" is not stated on the sleeve. I have a copy which does say inside, "The quality is sometimes raw...", which must be Dave Anderson's biggest ever understatement and has boring grey artwork but it was going at full album price when I first saw it (I got it at half eventually) and the numerous subsequent issues have shiny artwork and no such indication that what you're about to listen might be awful. So, yes, that is where we disagree, quite strongly too, though obviously amicably as all get out :-) > >> P.S. If anyone's listening - Collector Series spring '84 or > >> Stonehenge '84 ... PLEASE!!! > > > > Can I add a resounding "Hell yeah" to that? > > ... as long as the sound's up to snuff? ;^) Well, we know from _This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic_ what the sound *should* be like... now if they take it from an off-speed fifth- generation audience tape with glass-swallowing dog on it I might be less enthusiastic... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 19:15:07 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:15:07 EDT Subject: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2002 4:23:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << It's got better again before it's got worse, and the people I would once have complained about are no longer the ones I would now. But there never used to be people I would ignore utterly as there are now. >> Better ? Worse? This Skull blower or 666, or whatever his fucking name is, thought six million fucking Jews being slaughtered is somehow their fault...'they were up to something'!!!. Well quess what, Mr. 666 is goin get his ass kicked.big time, because the remaining jews, that the europeans didn't get around to slaughtering, are none too happy with this type of provacation.(and this dopey kid has thrown down the gauntlet). These ain't 'house jews' your dealing with...they will FUCK u UP. So... I would think, Mr. Skull man should take a break from whatever diet he is on and apologize . And fuirthermore: My father (with bullet holes up and down his fucking arm) and my assistant (with 1/2 a fucking leg...10 yrs old in the bombing of London) who fought against these pricks that Skull boy thinks are so intriguing) skullboy better get it right, or skull boy will be at his 3RD hw show and wake up 6 days later sipping through a straw.. .Feel free to pass this message on to your local gestapo...it ain't goin help 666! I Is this the Hawkwind List???? ya get more indignation with a shot of a cunt, then ya do do with someone who thinks its OK to kill Jews....Here ya go than...puff on this ya CUNTS ...ohhhh i'm sorry , little Marie is looking at a picture of a BIG COCK in a WET CUNT.....ohhhh I didn't sign up on this list for this of porn, well it's rock n roll you stupid fuck, and little Marie should not be reading. Ive said it before and i'll say it again ...BLOW me ya CUNTS. except me mates...of course.....WET CUNTS>>DEAD JEWS>> whats more offensive? Just tryin to help! Bill ( (see ya in NYC ) Stewart From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 8 19:34:49 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:34:49 -0400 Subject: Motorhead yahoo group Message-ID: HI, Anyone know what happened to the Motorhead list? Its disappeared. Anyone else on there? Cheers STEPHE From ben at TMK.COM Thu Aug 8 19:38:11 2002 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:38:11 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: member removal or not... Message-ID: Folks, Time to tone it down on-list. The person in question has been placed on "review" which means I get to approve (or not) any of his postings. If others want to flame about this on-list, I have no problems using that approach (or harsher ones) with anyone else. Christian's beliefs are his own. I am neither endorsing nor condemning them _ON-LIST_. I would ask that the rest of you do the same. Postings of his which have Hawkwind-ish or BOC-L-ish content will be allowed to be posted. Others will not. Show's over, folks. Nothing to see here. Keep the line moving... YnSSHM, Ben From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 21:08:04 2002 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:08:04 EDT Subject: Motorhead yahoo group Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/02 6:36:10 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > HI, Anyone know what happened to the Motorhead list? Its disappeared. Anyone > else on there? Cheers STEPHE > I was on there, too. Didn't notice I wasn't getting any mail from it until you called it to my attention. Lost in the ozone, perhaps? Joe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 22:25:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:25:58 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:58:20 AEDT, Dave Briggs writes: > Round here in London 'Smeg(ma)' is the name for that white cheesey stuff > that builds up under your foreskin if you don't wash your willie often > enough. > It caused great hilarity when the brand of fridges came in the shops > branded SMEG. > And before i get any of the obvious replies i might add i wash mine > regularly (and vigorously ;-)) Just remember - more than five wipes is considered a bad habit. hehe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 22:31:43 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: Im still pissed off about mine being snipped off.... the bastards In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:22 AEDT, Ted Jackson writes: > On 7 Aug 2002, at 21:29, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > Hardy just reminded me of the "smegma" phenom...it's just been so long > > since I've heard it, but yes, at least here it does, refer to > > errrr....I hate to be sooo off-topic here on BOC-L and also > > distasteful, but can I say the word "cum" just once?? > > > Not exactly, but you're in the right neighborhood. You don't > encounter smegma much over here, as most guys are circumcised, > at least those born bet. 1940 and around 1990. Now they don't snip > them anymmore... > > theo From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 22:34:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:34:29 EDT Subject: Opium Embalm this guY Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:40:29 AEDT, alan day writes: > Ain't everyone gettin their knickers in a twist..!!>Well We'll have to settle > this somehow Skane...you touchy cokroach you!! I'm >just lovin watchin you > all get so wound up!! Life at last on the list ::HO >bloody ho Skane!4Q wiv a > damp swordfish. Whatcha talkin aboot Willis???!! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 8 22:51:10 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:51:10 +0800 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > about to begin with. > > Oh well, whatever....just a passing thought.....no biggie.... > It was also used back in the olden days in those posh english schools, where the fag was the schoolboy equivilent to the batman in the army, doing things like running errands for the older boy, polishing shoes, etc.. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 23:02:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:02:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: gay men from days of old with a fondnes for inserting faggot bundles in their friends bums?? They probably didn't have gerbils around in the olden days........ In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:07:09 AEDT, "John H. McCartney" writes: > > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > > about to begin with. > > > My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > > scorch From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 23:22:07 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:22:07 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:09:24 AEDT, Arin Komins writes: > hey.....who did the song "Strange Fruit"? (I'm rather fond of a British > comedy movie called Still Crazy, about a 70s band getting back together in > the 90s, and the name of the band is "Strange Fruit". > > Arin That is a cool movie. Billy Connolly plays the part of a roadie if I remember rightly. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 9 06:42:52 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:42:52 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. Note that the text I received was rather badly formatted, punctuated, and CAPITALISED. I've tidied it up to save the sensibilities of delicate souls here but have been careful not to alter the language lest any lawyers need to feed on it. FoFP --- Start of Forwarded Text --- Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and non-payments of royalties: Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus various special guests appear at Canterbury Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on that day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more info on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind but does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit and Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the legendary Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy Truckers Party. >> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock >> [said"without prejudice"]: >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments >> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been >> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, removed >> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums >> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been >> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the idealism >> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that >> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of the >> other members of the band, especially the best known members of >> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has called >> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians >> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly run >> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder >> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am >> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in >> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- >> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to >> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the >> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. >> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that >> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are >> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter >> however it suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation >> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. >> With all best wishes, >> Mike Moorcock >> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and >> The Xhawkwind members: >> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for >> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always side >> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me in >> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort >> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled Dave's >> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. So >> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod the >> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me and >> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is >> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm on >> your side Nik. >> Mike Moorcock --- End of Forwarded Text --- From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 22:27:38 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:27:38 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: superskrull666 Message-ID: Dear all re. Christian Mumford, aka Charlie Yuga, aka superskrull666 As you all know, this person has recently provoked controversy on boc-l with posts that appear to have Nazi leanings. There has been some confusion about whether he really means some of the things he says- some people are inclined to view him as a harmless eccentric with a careless turn of phrase, while others feel there is something more sinister at work. Some have defended him, while others have been incensed and posted very aggressive responses. You can judge for yourselves by perusing his personal home page- a link he always includes in his sig: http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html - scroll down and click the HW elephant logo near the foot of the page. Read what comes up- I won't quote it here- see for yourselves. Once you've absorbed that, try this- another page on his site: http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/anglogermanicfront.html Draw your own conclusions. Over the last few days I have been corresponding with various other listmembers including Ben Cohen, the list moderator, about this. We are all agreed that boc-l is not an appropriate place for a flame war. Therefore I ask that anything further you want to say about this be said OFFLIST. Ben has clearly stated he will take action against anyone who disregards this request. Likewise, Ben has allowed me to post this as a last element of the on-list discussion, but has also insisted that this be the last on-list post about this. However, I thought people might like to know exactly who and what they are dealing with before they engage Christian Mumford in conversation about music, or anything else for that matter. I and a few others feel very strongly about this and have already contacted his ISP to complain about the content on his web-site. If you feel similarly, you may want to do so too. You can find instructions for doing this at this URL: http://info.dreamstation.com/contactus Once again, whether this makes you as angry as it does me, or whether it doesn't bother you.. in fact whatever you think at all... please keep your comments offlist. Thanks for your attention. -- Nick Medford From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 9 07:32:02 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:32:02 +0800 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Mike wrote: > I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that > Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or > any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, > Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik > really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite > depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. I guess this all reflects the spirit of the aged. This just seems to get dirtier and dirtier as the ex band members get older. Instant retirement fund maybe? I don't believe for a second that DB would be ripping off the estate of RC. Quite simply - if the past members of Hawkwind felt so strong about Dave ripping them off, Hawkestra would never has happened. Maybe the Hawkwind camp could tell us more. Cheers Bill From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 9 07:31:44 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:31:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:05 -0700, John H. McCartney > wrote: > >My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > >from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > >as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > >I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > Entirely correct. Specifically, it refers to a sticks bundled together for > the purpose of burning (which, of course, is what you do to a cigarette) in > a stove or fireplace. > > >As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > It's because of what was done to those people in particularly brutal, > closed-minded societies. Doubtful. The word fag is also used in Britain's public schools. Older boys have younger boys who "fag" for them. This may have involved fetching cigarettes at some point but I don't know. Given the reputation of public schools for homosexuality, the leap from being the fag of an elder boy isn't too hard to imagine. Of course alt.usage.english may have a much better explanation. FoFP From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 07:38:21 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:38:21 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: hmmmm....... no mention of the dodgy bootleg quality hawkwind recordings licensed from dave anderson. Does any ex members of hawkwind get royalties from them i wonder? I noticed dave andersons name is lined up with all the other ex-hawkwind members that are taking dave brock to court. seems a bit hypocritical to me...... also i'm getting a bit sick of constantly reading the quote "the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert" and that Nik Turner is doing it for the fans. When really hes not doing it for us fans at all and its really all about money...... Colm On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:42:52 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that >Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or >any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, >Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik >really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite >depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. > >Note that the text I received was rather badly formatted, punctuated, >and CAPITALISED. I've tidied it up to save the sensibilities of delicate >souls here but have been careful not to alter the language lest any >lawyers need to feed on it. > >FoFP > > > >--- Start of Forwarded Text --- > >Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". > >Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, >science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to >hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in >court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the >Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early >members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of >those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. > >It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik >Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it >temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the >1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - >Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del >Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron >Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound >checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they >played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were >listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave >Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind >- Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. > >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between >all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had >registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years >members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now >pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and >non-payments of royalties: > >Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney >Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve >Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, >Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > >Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members > >Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass >guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus >various special guests appear at Canterbury >Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on that >day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers > >For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford >Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave >Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park >Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members >performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more info >on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com >Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind but >does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes >the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. > >Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be >held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road >London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex >members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit and >Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special >guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the legendary >Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy Truckers >Party. > >>> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock >>> [said"without prejudice"]: > >>> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments >>> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been >>> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, removed >>> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums >>> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been >>> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the idealism >>> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that >>> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of the >>> other members of the band, especially the best known members of >>> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has called >>> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians >>> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly run >>> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder >>> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am >>> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in >>> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- >>> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to >>> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the >>> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. >>> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that >>> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are >>> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter >>> however it suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation >>> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. > >>> With all best wishes, > >>> Mike Moorcock > > >>> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and >>> The Xhawkwind members: > >>> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for >>> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always side >>> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me in >>> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort >>> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled Dave's >>> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. So >>> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod the >>> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me and >>> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is >>> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm on >>> your side Nik. > >>> Mike Moorcock > >--- End of Forwarded Text --- From djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Aug 9 07:40:11 2002 From: djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (King of Comedy) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:40:11 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: THIS SMELLS LIKE THE WORK OF CHRIS HEWITT AT OZIT-MORPHEOUS, AND THESE EX- MEMBERS SHOULD BE ARGUING WITH THE RECORD LABELS, NOT DAVE. WHERE IS THIS POST FROM? I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING RELATED TO IT AT ANY NIK RELATED SITES, COULD IT BE A WIND-UP? VERY UNWISE EITHER WAY. I THOUGHT NIK WOULD STOP ALL THIS, AND JUST ACCEPT THE NAME CHANGE. NOW WHOSE THE MONEY GRABBER? LEAVE THIS STUPID COURSE, AND GET ON WITH THE FAKIN MUSIC GUYS! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 9 07:48:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:48:15 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: mr_bt@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:38:21 -0400 Message-ID: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > I noticed dave andersons name is lined up with all the other ex-hawkwind > members that are taking dave brock to court. > > seems a bit hypocritical to me...... Yeah, that crossed my mind too. > also i'm getting a bit sick of constantly reading the quote "the > spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert" In an argument after the Calvert benefit gig, Jill Calvert appeared to side with Nik in the newspapers in accusing Dave of a ripoff. I dunno if her support for Nik's latest assault amounts to any more than having been onside for that one. There's also no clear indication of Lemmy's stance, and given past history, I'd wait to see the Court documents rather than take anyone's word for him having taken sides either. On the face of it, Moorcock is with Nik, but in every incarnation of this particular war, from the Hawklords period onwards, that's been the case. It's clear that Moorcock simply feels personal loyalty to Nik and that that's the way he'll always play it. It's a crying shame that this still goes on but hopefully the fans can be kept out of the line of fire. I'm was quite upset when Andy Gilham became collateral damage. > and that Nik Turner is > doing it for the fans. When really hes not doing it for us fans at > all and its really all about money...... Whatever idealism might be present in any dispute, it tends to become a monetary one the very second that lawyers are involved. Judicial Watch are the only exceptions who quickly come to mind (they attacked Bill Clinton on his sexual assaults on Jones and Willey, and his perjury about Lewinsky, and are now attacking Bush and Cheyney concerning their financial dealings with companies operating in tax havens and their questionable dealings with stock options) and they're been funded by a multi-millionaire. FoFP From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Aug 9 09:47:36 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:47:36 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Les Vegas Message-ID: > Dear All, > some advice, if I can ask you for it? I was perusing the > Cellsum webpage the day before yesterday because I still don't have _Piece > of Work_ and was planning to assemble an order of that and a couple of > other things. Now I discover their prices have gone up rather, so I'll be > restrained (stoppit) and only get one thing besides that, but what? I was > planning to make it _Solid Citizens_ but in the time I've been meaning to > do this _To Helen With Love_ has also emerged (yes, my organisation is not > great, I know). And more importantly for this message, _Fool's Gold_ by > Les Vegas, the boy Braunstein of the original SWU. On closer inspection > this doesn't seem to have any SWU tracks on it per se, but there are > several tracks which feature Donald Roeser and/or Al Bouchard at various > points in Braunstein's career, from 1972 to not quite sure when, and one > also with John Trivers for an interesting BOC-connected line-up. It's also > marked as "limited". > > So, what I wonder is, given that the man is inclined to use the > word "retrospectacle" and that his stage name suggests he is almost > utterly without discernment :-) has anyone else picked this up and can > anyone tell me whether it's any good? It surely has Kollector's value, but > is it a Thanksgiving present or something I actually want? Yours, grateful > for data, > Jon Hmm...I must confess that while I've got this, I haven't listened to it much. Perhaps that tells you something right there... It is certainly a cool CD for a BOC fan, given the personnel. From what I remember the music was fairly on the light side, folksy for the most part. No, there is no SWU stuff. "Dark Angel" (or is it "Dead House"?) is a fairly cool track that Les did post-SWU, but had Albert and Buck play on. If you are debating between this, *Piece of Work*, *To Helen With Love*, and *Solid Citizens*, I would probably recommend *Piece of Work*, followed by *To Helen With Love* if you are judging solely based on what SOUNDS good. If "collectibility" is of importance, *Fool's Gold* followed by *Solid Citizens* might be the way to go - then again, perhaps Albert could comment as far as what is more likely to be "out of stock" at Cellsum Records first. John From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Aug 9 13:39:59 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:39:59 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) Message-ID: I just had a confirmation sheet from cleopatra in pdf format, stating tracklisting and packaging details for this item, beacause it's pdf I can't paste it here, but it's listing as the 'Brixton Gig in it's entirety' from Winter 72. Tracks are: 1 Space 2 Orgone Accumulator 3 Upside Down 4 Sonic Attack 5 Time We Left 6 10 Seconds Forever (yes they have missed the of out) 7 Brainstorm 8 Seven By Seven 9 Master of the Universe 10 Welcome to the Future Clocking in at 63 Minutes runtime. Unpublished 72 Photos. Gatefold Sleeve Simulating the original Vinyl packaging?, and Digitally Remastered ;-) Certainly looks like what I thought it would be ;-) It's coming on sub label Purple Pyramid. If anyone wants the datasheet pdf for the release email me offlist. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Warren To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? Well the label is listed as Cleopatra on CDNOW, but their website isn't up to date. I think we're guestimating Space Ritual Volume 2 - in Deluxe packaging? But who really know until the 13th. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: oct0pus23 To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? Hi All, I was looking up stuff on Amazon.com this morning and found this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006BXGU/qid=1028898824/sr=8- 1/ref=sr_8_1/104-7142718-4551147 Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe Edition) Hawkwind List Price: $16.98 Our Price: $16.98 This item will be released on August 13, 2002. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Audio CD (August 13, 2002) Cleopatra; ASIN: B00006BXGU Are they officially releasing the 12-30-72 show? Or is this just another Cleopatra comp? Anyone know/heard about this? cheers Bryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at yahoogroups.com You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. -- If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at yahoogroups.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: neo-quark-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? 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McCartney) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:22:32 -0700 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: > >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at > >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more > >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER > >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, one might suspect that in the case of a MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN, we might have seen something of it here. Anyone recall seeing fervent posts from Dave warning us off? Thought not... scorch From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 15:10:54 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:10:54 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: First reaction is that this is so sad. I will have to read it several times before I can fully understand what is really being said within the note. It doesn't seem like the Hewitt/OZ-IT style, it is too far over the edge with emotion and invective. It seems more like the work of a crazed lunatic who wants to start a fight. Whoever has written the note that Mike received should really have the courage to identify themselves but I don't think that it will happen. Of course the Moorcock messages are transcripts of spoken conversations - ref: {said "without prejudice"} but probably spoken within a wider context conversation. Anyway, when is the new album due out - with or without any of the golden boys. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam > I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that > Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or > any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, > Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik > really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite > depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. > > Note that the text I received was rather badly formatted, punctuated, > and CAPITALISED. I've tidied it up to save the sensibilities of delicate > souls here but have been careful not to alter the language lest any > lawyers need to feed on it. > > FoFP > > > > --- Start of Forwarded Text --- > > Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". > > Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, > science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to > hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in > court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the > Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early > members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of > those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. > > It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik > Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it > temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the > 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - > Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del > Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron > Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound > checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they > played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were > listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave > Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind > - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. > > Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at > Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more > costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER > DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between > all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had > registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years > members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now > pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and > non-payments of royalties: > > Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney > Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve > Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, > Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > > Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members > > Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass > guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus > various special guests appear at Canterbury > Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on that > day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers > > For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford > Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave > Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park > Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members > performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more info > on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com > Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind but > does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes > the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. > > Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be > held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road > London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex > members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit and > Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special > guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the legendary > Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy Truckers > Party. > > >> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock > >> [said"without prejudice"]: > > >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments > >> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been > >> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, removed > >> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums > >> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been > >> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the idealism > >> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that > >> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of the > >> other members of the band, especially the best known members of > >> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has called > >> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians > >> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly run > >> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder > >> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am > >> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in > >> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- > >> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to > >> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the > >> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. > >> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that > >> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are > >> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter > >> however it suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation > >> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. > > >> With all best wishes, > > >> Mike Moorcock > > > >> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and > >> The Xhawkwind members: > > >> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for > >> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always side > >> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me in > >> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort > >> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled Dave's > >> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. So > >> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod the > >> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me and > >> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is > >> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm on > >> your side Nik. > > >> Mike Moorcock > > --- End of Forwarded Text --- > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 9 15:19:48 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:19:48 -0400 Subject: [neo-quark] Re: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) Message-ID: HI, If this is true, does Cleopatra have permission to do this? Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris S To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com Cc: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [neo-quark] Re: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) Hello Rich and All I think somebody best tell them that this is the full track listing form the Brixton show as recorded from the audience on the very night 30/12/72...... 1. Intro 2. Earth Calling 3. Born To Go 4. Down Through The Night 5. The Awakening 6. Lord Of Light 7. The Black Corridor 8. Space Is Deep 9. Electronic No1 10. Orgone Accumulato 11. Upside Down 12. Brainstorm 13. 7 X 7 14. Sonic Attack 15. Time We Left 16. Master Of The Universe 17. Welcome To The Future 18. Applause 19. Band Chatter 20 You Should'nt Do That 21. Seeing As You Really Are 22. Andy Dunkleys Chat Me thinks they have it wrong :) Best we warn people or what? Chris S On 09-Aug-02, Rich Warren wrote: > I just had a confirmation sheet from cleopatra in pdf format, > stating tracklisting and packaging details for this item, beacause > it's pdf I can't paste it here, but it's listing as the 'Brixton > Gig in it's entirety' from Winter 72. > > Tracks are: > > 1 Space > 2 Orgone Accumulator > 3 Upside Down > 4 Sonic Attack > 5 Time We Left > 6 10 Seconds Forever (yes they have missed the of out) > 7 Brainstorm > 8 Seven By Seven > 9 Master of the Universe > 10 Welcome to the Future > > Clocking in at 63 Minutes runtime. Unpublished 72 Photos. Gatefold > Sleeve Simulating the original Vinyl packaging?, and Digitally > Remastered ;-) > > Certainly looks like what I thought it would be ;-) > > It's coming on sub label Purple Pyramid. > > If anyone wants the datasheet pdf for the release email me > offlist. > > Rich W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich Warren > To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? > > > Well the label is listed as Cleopatra on CDNOW, but their > website isn't up to date. I think we're guestimating Space Ritual > Volume 2 - in Deluxe packaging? But who really know until the > 13th. > > Rich W > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oct0pus23 > To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:15 AM > Subject: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? > > > Hi All, > > I was looking up stuff on Amazon.com this morning and found > this: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006BXGU/qid=1028898824/sr=8- > 1/ref=sr_8_1/104-7142718-4551147 > > Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe Edition) > Hawkwind > > List Price: $16.98 > Our Price: $16.98 > This item will be released on August 13, 2002. > You may order it now and we will ship it to you > when it arrives. > > Audio CD (August 13, 2002) > Cleopatra; ASIN: B00006BXGU > > Are they officially releasing the 12-30-72 show? > Or is this just another Cleopatra comp? > > Anyone know/heard about this? > > cheers > > Bryan > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > -- > Getting too many emails? 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From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 15:56:01 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:56:01 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) Message-ID: i got the pdf file to, but i have a sneaking suspicion that it may be another space ritual 2 colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) I just had a confirmation sheet from cleopatra in pdf format, stating tracklisting and packaging details for this item, beacause it's pdf I can't paste it here, but it's listing as the 'Brixton Gig in it's entirety' from Winter 72. Tracks are: 1 Space 2 Orgone Accumulator 3 Upside Down 4 Sonic Attack 5 Time We Left 6 10 Seconds Forever (yes they have missed the of out) 7 Brainstorm 8 Seven By Seven 9 Master of the Universe 10 Welcome to the Future Clocking in at 63 Minutes runtime. Unpublished 72 Photos. Gatefold Sleeve Simulating the original Vinyl packaging?, and Digitally Remastered ;-) Certainly looks like what I thought it would be ;-) It's coming on sub label Purple Pyramid. If anyone wants the datasheet pdf for the release email me offlist. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Warren To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? Well the label is listed as Cleopatra on CDNOW, but their website isn't up to date. I think we're guestimating Space Ritual Volume 2 - in Deluxe packaging? But who really know until the 13th. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: oct0pus23 To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? Hi All, I was looking up stuff on Amazon.com this morning and found this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006BXGU/qid=1028898824/sr=8- 1/ref=sr_8_1/104-7142718-4551147 Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe Edition) Hawkwind List Price: $16.98 Our Price: $16.98 This item will be released on August 13, 2002. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Audio CD (August 13, 2002) Cleopatra; ASIN: B00006BXGU Are they officially releasing the 12-30-72 show? Or is this just another Cleopatra comp? Anyone know/heard about this? cheers Bryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? 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To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at yahoogroups.com You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. -- If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at yahoogroups.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: neo-quark-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 9 16:15:40 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:15:40 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:22:32 -0700, John H. McCartney wrote: >> >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their >> >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at >> >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the >> >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival >> >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com >> >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more >> >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF >> >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER >> >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Ok, one might suspect that in the case of a MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN, >we might have seen something of it here. Anyone recall seeing fervent >posts from Dave warning us off? http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0205E&L=BOC-L&P=R2425 ... not to mention an announcement on the Mission Control website. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Aug 9 16:16:41 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:16:41 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002 (#2002-227) Message-ID: I don't wish to appear prudish, but this is a fairly public list that is seen by all sorts of people, many of whom (including myself) find the gratuitous and uninvited use of the language that has appeared in some of the recent posts here highly offensive. It sems to me that the only reason to put such language into posts on a discussion list such as this is to shock and offend. It no longer shocks; it merely nauseates. Anyone standing up in the middle of a party, meeting or discussion group bellowing such language for anyone else to hear, regardless of who might be listening, would be considered distinctly odd. I see no difference between that sort of behaviour and polluting this list with such words which we all know, have seen many times and which some of us are tired of seeing. People are bound to have differences or to feel strongly on a particular point; that's fine - but if you want to abuse each other in such terms take it off-list - many of us don't want to know. Regards Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Automatic digest processor" To: "Recipients of BOC-L digests" Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: BOC-L Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002 (#2002-227) > There are 10 messages totalling 255 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! > 2. Motorhead yahoo group (2) > 3. ADMIN: member removal or not... > 4. OFF: Brit Slang! (5) > 5. Opium Embalm this guY > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:15:07 EDT > From: Bill Stewart > Subject: Re: OFF: superskull 666 comments.. Time to remove him !!!!! > > In a message dated 8/8/2002 4:23:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > << It's got better again before it's got worse, and the people I > would once have complained about are no longer the ones I would now. But > there never used to be people I would ignore utterly as there are now. > >> > > Better ? Worse? This Skull blower or 666, or whatever his fucking name is, > thought six million fucking Jews being slaughtered is somehow their > fault...'they were up to something'!!!. Well quess what, Mr. 666 is goin get > his ass kicked.big time, because the remaining jews, that the europeans > didn't get around to slaughtering, are none too happy with this type of > provacation.(and this dopey kid has thrown down the gauntlet). These ain't > 'house jews' your dealing with...they will FUCK u UP. > So... I would think, Mr. Skull man should take a break from whatever diet he > is on and apologize . > And fuirthermore: > My father (with bullet holes up and down his fucking arm) and my assistant > (with 1/2 a fucking leg...10 yrs old in the bombing of London) who fought > against these pricks that Skull boy thinks are so intriguing) skullboy better > get it right, or skull boy will be at his 3RD hw show and wake up 6 days > later sipping through a straw.. > .Feel free to pass this message on to your local gestapo...it ain't goin help > 666! I > > Is this the Hawkwind List???? ya get more indignation with a shot of a > cunt, then ya do do with someone who thinks its OK to kill Jews....Here ya go > than...puff on this ya CUNTS ...ohhhh i'm sorry , little Marie is looking at > a picture of a BIG COCK in a WET CUNT.....ohhhh I didn't sign up on this list > for this of porn, well it's rock n roll you stupid fuck, and little Marie > should not be reading. Ive said it before and i'll say it again ...BLOW me ya > CUNTS. except me mates...of course.....WET CUNTS>>DEAD JEWS>> whats more > offensive? > > Just tryin to help! > Bill ( (see ya in NYC ) Stewart > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:34:49 -0400 > From: stephe lindas > Subject: Motorhead yahoo group > > HI, Anyone know what happened to the Motorhead list? Its disappeared. = > Anyone else on there? Cheers STEPHE > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:38:11 -0400 > From: Ben Cohen > Subject: ADMIN: member removal or not... > > Folks, > > Time to tone it down on-list. > > The person in question has been placed on "review" which means I get to > approve (or not) any of his postings. If others want to flame about this > on-list, I have no problems using that approach (or harsher ones) with anyone > else. > > Christian's beliefs are his own. I am neither endorsing nor condemning them > _ON-LIST_. I would ask that the rest of you do the same. Postings of his which > have Hawkwind-ish or BOC-L-ish content will be allowed to be posted. Others > will not. > > Show's over, folks. Nothing to see here. Keep the line moving... > > YnSSHM, > Ben > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:08:04 EDT > From: Joe Loehr > Subject: Re: Motorhead yahoo group > > In a message dated 8/8/02 6:36:10 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: > > > > HI, Anyone know what happened to the Motorhead list? Its disappeared. Anyone > > else on there? Cheers STEPHE > > > > I was on there, too. Didn't notice I wasn't getting any mail from it until > you called it to my attention. > > Lost in the ozone, perhaps? > > > Joe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:25:58 EDT > From: Michael W Blackman > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:58:20 AEDT, Dave Briggs writes: > > > Round here in London 'Smeg(ma)' is the name for that white cheesey stuff > > that builds up under your foreskin if you don't wash your willie often > > enough. > > It caused great hilarity when the brand of fridges came in the shops > > branded SMEG. > > And before i get any of the obvious replies i might add i wash mine > > regularly (and vigorously ;-)) > > Just remember - more than five wipes is considered a bad habit. > hehe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:43 EDT > From: Michael W Blackman > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > Im still pissed off about mine being snipped off.... the bastards > > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:22 AEDT, Ted Jackson writes: > > > On 7 Aug 2002, at 21:29, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > > > Hardy just reminded me of the "smegma" phenom...it's just been so long > > > since I've heard it, but yes, at least here it does, refer to > > > errrr....I hate to be sooo off-topic here on BOC-L and also > > > distasteful, but can I say the word "cum" just once?? > > > > > Not exactly, but you're in the right neighborhood. You don't > > encounter smegma much over here, as most guys are circumcised, > > at least those born bet. 1940 and around 1990. Now they don't snip > > them anymmore... > > > > theo > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:34:29 EDT > From: Michael W Blackman > Subject: Re: Opium Embalm this guY > > In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:40:29 AEDT, alan day writes: > > > Ain't everyone gettin their knickers in a twist..!!>Well We'll have to settle > > this somehow Skane...you touchy cokroach you!! I'm >just lovin watchin you > > all get so wound up!! Life at last on the list ::HO >bloody ho Skane!4Q wiv a > > damp swordfish. > > Whatcha talkin aboot Willis???!! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:51:10 +0800 > From: William Duffy > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me > laugh > > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > > about to begin with. > > > > Oh well, whatever....just a passing thought.....no biggie.... > > > > It was also used back in the olden days in those posh english schools, where > the fag was the schoolboy equivilent to the batman in the army, doing things > like running errands for the older boy, polishing shoes, etc.. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:02:12 EDT > From: Michael W Blackman > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > gay men from days of old with a fondnes for inserting faggot bundles in their friends bums?? > They probably didn't have gerbils around in the olden days........ > > > In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:07:09 AEDT, "John H. McCartney" writes: > > > > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > > > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > > > > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > > > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > > > about to begin with. > > > > > > My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > > from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > > as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > > I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > > > As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > > > > > scorch > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:22:07 EDT > From: Michael W Blackman > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:09:24 AEDT, Arin Komins writes: > > > hey.....who did the song "Strange Fruit"? (I'm rather fond of a British > > comedy movie called Still Crazy, about a 70s band getting back together in > > the 90s, and the name of the band is "Strange Fruit". > > > > Arin > > That is a cool movie. Billy Connolly plays the part of a roadie if I remember rightly. > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002 (#2002-227) > ********************************************************** From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Aug 9 16:25:35 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:25:35 -0500 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <200208092015.QAA08816@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam : :On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:22:32 -0700, John H. McCartney :wrote: : :>> >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their :>> >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at :>> >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the :>> >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival :>> >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com :>> >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more :>> >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF :>> >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER :>> >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :> :> :>Ok, one might suspect that in the case of a MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN, :>we might have seen something of it here. Anyone recall seeing fervent :>posts from Dave warning us off? : :http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0205E&L=BOC-L&P=R2425 : :... not to mention an announcement on the Mission Control website. Although, I did send something to Guildford inquiring how I would get my money back, and received a brusque reply telling me that I couldn't..... I like to see that I'm NONE, in the above ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 18:03:50 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:03:50 +0100 Subject: HW: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: As a point of fact I thought the War of the World performance (and hence everything else invoved with it including Hawkwind) had been postponed by the production company so how can Hawkwind possibly be said to have pulled the gig at Heaton Park? And I wonder how Mike Moorcock feels about his personal email to Nik (which the second letter appears to be) being casually sent out to people....? Sigh jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford > Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave > Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park > Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 9 18:16:59 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:16:59 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: John H. McCartney's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:22:32 -0700 Message-ID: John H. McCartney writes: > > >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > > >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at > > >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > > >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > > >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > > >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more > > >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > > >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER > > >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Ok, one might suspect that in the case of a MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN, > we might have seen something of it here. Anyone recall seeing fervent > posts from Dave warning us off? Well, OK, fair enough, but why the hell would someone send it only to me? FoFP From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Aug 9 18:21:58 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:21:58 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) Message-ID: It Is :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colm McWilliams" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) > i got the pdf file to, but i have a sneaking suspicion that it may be > another space ritual 2 > > colm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Warren" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:39 PM > Subject: Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe Edition CD (August 13th) > > > I just had a confirmation sheet from cleopatra in pdf format, stating > tracklisting and packaging details for this item, beacause it's pdf I can't > paste it here, but it's listing as the 'Brixton Gig in it's entirety' from > Winter 72. > > Tracks are: > > 1 Space > 2 Orgone Accumulator > 3 Upside Down > 4 Sonic Attack > 5 Time We Left > 6 10 Seconds Forever (yes they have missed the of out) > 7 Brainstorm > 8 Seven By Seven > 9 Master of the Universe > 10 Welcome to the Future > > Clocking in at 63 Minutes runtime. Unpublished 72 Photos. Gatefold Sleeve > Simulating the original Vinyl packaging?, and Digitally Remastered ;-) > > Certainly looks like what I thought it would be ;-) > > It's coming on sub label Purple Pyramid. > > If anyone wants the datasheet pdf for the release email me offlist. > > Rich W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich Warren > To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? > > > Well the label is listed as Cleopatra on CDNOW, but their website isn't up > to date. I think we're guestimating Space Ritual Volume 2 - in Deluxe > packaging? But who really know until the 13th. > > Rich W > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oct0pus23 > To: neo-quark at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:15 AM > Subject: [neo-quark] Whats this on Amazon? > > > Hi All, > > I was looking up stuff on Amazon.com this morning and found this: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006BXGU/qid=1028898824/sr=8- > 1/ref=sr_8_1/104-7142718-4551147 > > Space Ritual Sundown (Deluxe Edition) > Hawkwind > > List Price: $16.98 > Our Price: $16.98 > This item will be released on August 13, 2002. > You may order it now and we will ship it to you > when it arrives. > > Audio CD (August 13, 2002) > Cleopatra; ASIN: B00006BXGU > > Are they officially releasing the 12-30-72 show? > Or is this just another Cleopatra comp? > > Anyone know/heard about this? > > cheers > > Bryan > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > -- > Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? > To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at yahoogroups.com > You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. > -- > If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another > solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail > to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at yahoogroups.com > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > neo-quark-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > -- > Getting too many emails? Why not switch to Daily Digest? > To change to Digest simply email neo-quark-digest at yahoogroups.com > You'll receive a note confirming your change in subscription status. > -- > If you need to leave the list for a period of time, here's another > solution: Switch to Web Only/No Mail > to do that, post an empty mail to: neo-quark-nomail at yahoogroups.com > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > neo-quark-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 18:26:30 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:26:30 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Not just you - it has just appeared on the other group - it seems to have been sent to a variety of selected addresses. Exactly how you and others have been selected I'm not sure but you are not the only one. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes > Well, OK, fair enough, but why the hell would someone send it only to > me? > > FoFP > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 18:27:26 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:27:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Brit Slang! Message-ID: Fag appears to mean "to become weary or tired out or to work hard". Hence a "fag" as a schoolboy slave came to be the description of someone who did all your work for you - which I guess is more or less what happened sometimes. A "fag end" was the end of a web of cloth that hung loose or the untwisted end of a piece of rope (I quote from my dictionary here!) - i.e. the scraggy bit left over that was useless This meaning expanded to include the stump of a cigar or cigarette and then an inferior cigarette and then any cigarette at all. The original derviation is uncertain but it is suggested that it comes from the meaning of "flag" which is "to droop" which comes from French "flac" and Latin "flaccus" - ultimately "flacid". The problems of living in a much invaded island universe.......... jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: John H. McCartney To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > Ok...here is one.....the term "Fag" in "amerikun" slang connotates someone > > attracted to the same sex. "Fag" in the UK is a cigarette. > > > > When I first heard of a cigarrette referred to as a "Fag", it made me laugh > > due to the other connotation, and it was a curiosity as to how that came > > about to begin with. > > > My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > > scorch > From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Aug 9 18:30:51 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:30:51 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: member removal or not... Message-ID: Wow, You actually exist Ben!?! Thanx for FINALLY stepping in. I for one would REALLY like to see you take a more ACTIVE roll in MODERATING this list!! I originally subscribed about 6 years ago, but have unsubscribed and re-subscribed several times since then. Unsubscribing was due to the lack of either Hawkwind content or BOC content or any REAL content at all. I resubscribed because I love Hawkwind and I really like BOC. But I have had to settle for the little tidbit of worthwhile content here and there. I am sure others feel the same. This is my first post in a long long time! Thanx! D-Rider -----Original Message----- From: Ben Cohen [mailto:ben at TMK.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: ADMIN: member removal or not... Folks, Time to tone it down on-list. The person in question has been placed on "review" which means I get to approve (or not) any of his postings. If others want to flame about this on-list, I have no problems using that approach (or harsher ones) with anyone else. Christian's beliefs are his own. I am neither endorsing nor condemning them _ON-LIST_. I would ask that the rest of you do the same. Postings of his which have Hawkwind-ish or BOC-L-ish content will be allowed to be posted. Others will not. Show's over, folks. Nothing to see here. Keep the line moving... YnSSHM, Ben From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 9 18:37:57 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:37:57 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:26:30 +0100, Jill Strobridge wrote: >Not just you - it has just appeared on the other group - it seems to >have been sent to a variety of selected addresses. Exactly how you and >others have been selected I'm not sure but you are not the only one. Nobody sent me a copy, but I have verified with one of the listed plaintifs that it is for real. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Aug 9 18:40:24 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:24 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <01a401c23ff3$cfa512e0$ba4b87d9@jds> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that it was sent BCC to a number of places. Seems that everyone on BOC/L and perhaps Hawkwind got it. I personally think it is of dubious origin fact-wise. I have some pretty good guesses as to the origin as well. Personally I wish these children would keep their fight in the sandbox and let us fans enjoy the music. Airing this dirty laundry just make the bunch of them look extremely petty and ridiculous. Mike _____________________________________________ Always get married early in the morning. That way, if it doesn't work out, you haven't wasted a whole day. -- Mickey Rooney ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of Jill Strobridge ::Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:27 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam :: :: ::Not just you - it has just appeared on the other group - it seems to ::have been sent to a variety of selected addresses. Exactly how you and ::others have been selected I'm not sure but you are not the only one. :: ::jill ::----------------------------------------------------------------- ::Jill Strobridge ::----------------------------------------------------------------- :: ::----- Original Message ----- ::From: M Holmes ::> Well, OK, fair enough, but why the hell would someone send it only to ::> me? ::> ::> FoFP ::> From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Fri Aug 9 18:40:06 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: This email (below) was in my Inbox at work today w/ no subject. I came up for the title of this post from a line in the first paragraph. I must have been Blind Copied on it...... Did anyone else receive this email in such a mysterious fashion?? I am not sure who the sender is....( I don't recognize the address....) but I have included his or her email address below..... I did not see this posted on any of the Hawklists that I subscribe to..... PLEASE NOTE: I am Just passing it on. I am NOT the author! REPEAT: I am NOT the author! And to tell the truth, I have not had a chance to even read it yet..... But from cutting and pasting it to an email to send here at home and out to you, it does not look like a friendly note....... D-Rider ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: hawkethos [hawkethos at which.net] To: editor at rcmag.demon.co.uk Press Release 08/08/2002""without prejudice" Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock [see message from mike moorcock to hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com[now had to change it temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002 [they played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!! Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer] THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and non-payments of royalties: Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. SPACE RITUAL.NET FEATURING ORIGINAL EX- HAWKWIND MEMBERS NIK TURNER-SAX,FLUTE,VOCALS, TERRY OLLIS-DRUMS, THOMAS CRIMBLE-BASS GUITAR, DAVE ANDERSON-BASS GUITAR AND GUITAR, MICK SLATTERY-GUITAR PLUS VARIOUS SPECIAL GUESTS APPEAR AT CANTERBURY FESTIVAL[www.canterburyfayre.com] ON FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST 5pm ALSO ON THAT DAY ARE OZRIC TENTACLES ,FISH, AND KEVIN AYERS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED THIS BAND AT GLASTONBURY OR GUILDFORD FESTIVALS IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO OR WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED AT DAVE BROCK'S HAWKWIND PULLING THEIR GIG AT WAR OF THE WORLDS HEATON PARK MANCHESTER HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A BAND OF EX-HAWKWIND MEMBERS PERFORMING CLASSIC HAWKWIND MATERIAL AT A GREAT FESTIVAL. FOR MORE INFO ON CANTERBURY FAYRE VISIT THEIR WEBSITE AT www.canterburyfayre.com PLEASE NOTE THE BAND "SPACE RITUAL.NET" IS NOT DAVE BROCK'S HAWKWIND BUT DOES CREATE ON STAGE THE SPIRIT OF THE 70'S HAWKWIND ETHOS AND INVOKES THE SPIRIT OF BARNEY BUBBLES AND ROBERT CALVERT. ALSO A FUND RAISING BENEFIT FOR THE LEGAL ACTION BY NIK TURNER IS TO BE HELD ON FRIDAY 8TH NOVEMBER AT THE MEAN FIDDLER CHARING CROSS ROAD LONDON DOORS OPEN AT 7PM AND WILL FEATURE SPACE RITUAL.NET AND EX MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND AND MEMBERS OF THE HAWKESTRA AND INNER CITY UNIT AND TRACTOR PLUS COMPERE MOTHERSHIP CONTROL ANDY DUNKLEY AND OTHER SPECIAL GUESTS TO BE ANNOUNCED . THE EVENT IS TO BE KNOWN AS ONE OF THE LEGENDARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY IN FACT IT IS THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY. >>MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL MOORCOCK ABOUT THE DISPUTE WITH DAVE BROCK [SAID"WITHOUT PREJUDICE"] ; >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments >>from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been very >>obvious for some years that Dave >>has, wherever possible, removed the work of writers like myself and Bob >>Calvert from reissued albums and has generally behaved in a an unethical >>way. While I have been generally silent on these matters, since I have >>respected the idealism of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious >>for many years that Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at >>the expense of the other members of the band, especially the best known >>members of Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he >>has called 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new >>musicians (though I know this has not always been the case) and has >>clearly run the band as his own property, without reference to other >>founder members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I >>am speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in >>bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- >>which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to >>let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the band, >>several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. Given >>Dave's own behavior in these matters, I write to assure that any kind >>words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are no longer >>verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter however it >>suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation in this >>matter, please let me know how I can help. >>With all best wishes, >>Mike Moorcock >>2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice" To Nik Turner and The Xhawkwind members >>Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for >>some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know >>that I'll always side with you when things get to this point. If you >>want to include me in the band formerly known as >>xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort of member, >> Whatever you think, pard. >>I have not just extolled Dave's virtues. I've said elsewhere that he >>was manipulative and greedy. So you can always pull those references, >>should it go that way. Sod the bastard. He has also, of course, removed >>almost everything by me and Calvert from reissues, >> Seems wicked to pull Calvert, >>Bottom line is pard, if it's between you [Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr. >>Greed, I'm on your side Nik. >> >>Mike Moorcock From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 17:27:41 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:27:41 +0100 Subject: Nick Medford's comments Message-ID: BOC-L, In response to Nick Medford's post, I will admit to zionist leanings and that my views on Nazism comes from a European tradition present in modern culture ever since the Knights Templar and The Middle Ages, and a Christian and Buddhist background of my world view in the 20th and the 21st Century. I urge everyone with the remotest view on Hawkwind and modern culture and subculture to read my website on magick work, archangel and dragon workshop and apocalypse culture thoroughly before they make any judgements on my personal views, particularly the dragon chronicle at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/tubrok , the piece on the Tibetan Book Of The Dead, The Apocalypse And The Kali Yuga found at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/deadlord.html as well as the http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/anglogermanicfront.html piece on modern Europe and Nazism and finally the article at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/headshop.html for further archangel and dragon work. In some way or another, the articles have value to all of an occult or esoteric lifestyle and tangents on the living fact of being alive in this modern era of the post-60's, 70's and 80's, and being a Hawkwind deadhead, whether you like it or not. For more about me and women, go to http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/harvest.html , while my professional work and resume can be found at http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/eggfoolejung/index.html . -Christian (Peace Hitler no. 1) http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:27:38 +0100 From: Nick Medford Subject: HW: OFF: superskrull666 Dear all re. Christian Mumford, aka Charlie Yuga, aka superskrull666 As you all know, this person has recently provoked controversy on boc-l with posts that appear to have Nazi leanings. There has been some confusion about whether he really means some of the things he says- some people are inclined to view him as a harmless eccentric with a careless turn of phrase, while others feel there is something more sinister at work. Some have defended him, while others have been incensed and posted very aggressive responses. You can judge for yourselves by perusing his personal home page- a link he always includes in his sig: http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html - scroll down and click the HW elephant logo near the foot of the page. Read what comes up- I won't quote it here- see for yourselves. Once you've absorbed that, try this- another page on his site: http://bloomingdales.dreamstation.com/pulp/anglogermanicfront.html Draw your own conclusions. Over the last few days I have been corresponding with various other listmembers including Ben Cohen, the list moderator, about this. We are all agreed that boc-l is not an appropriate place for a flame war. Therefore I ask that anything further you want to say about this be said OFFLIST. Ben has clearly stated he will take action against anyone who disregards this request. Likewise, Ben has allowed me to post this as a last element of the on-list discussion, but has also insisted that this be the last on-list post about this. However, I thought people might like to know exactly who and what they are dealing with before they engage Christian Mumford in conversation about music, or anything else for that matter. I and a few others feel very strongly about this and have already contacted his ISP to complain about the content on his web-site. If you feel similarly, you may want to do so too. You can find instructions for doing this at this URL: http://info.dreamstation.com/contactus Once again, whether this makes you as angry as it does me, or whether it doesn't bother you.. in fact whatever you think at all... please keep your comments offlist. Thanks for your attention. -- Nick Medford ------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 10 02:11:18 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:11:18 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Where did this email come from. Can't really put to much faith in the internet and emails etc. Well I certainly hope this is all untrue. If it is then I hope they can all work it out to everyones satisfaction (band members current/ex and the fans) I dont see why Nik can't call his group Ex-Hawkwind. Wouldn't that be appropriate? Even my first impression of the X-Hawkwind was a band comprised of Ex Hawkwind members. Anyway.... as far as I am concerned, and am aware, Hawkwind is dave Brocks vision and creation. Am I wrong? So creative control is his and obviously royalties should and would be paid to whomever is apart of any contract within the band to pay said royalties. Well thats my 2p worth of opinion. In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:43:27 AEDT, M Holmes writes: > I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that > Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or > any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, > Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik > really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite > depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. > > Note that the text I received was rather badly formatted, punctuated, > and CAPITALISED. I've tidied it up to save the sensibilities of delicate > souls here but have been careful not to alter the language lest any > lawyers need to feed on it. > > FoFP > > > > --- Start of Forwarded Text --- > > Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". > > Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, > science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to > hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in > court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the > Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early > members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of > those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. > > It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik > Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it > temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the > 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - > Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del > Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron > Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound > checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they > played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were > listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave > Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind > - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. > > Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at > Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more > costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER > DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between > all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had > registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years > members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now > pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and > non-payments of royalties: > > Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney > Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve > Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, > Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > > Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members > > Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass > guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus > various special guests appear at Canterbury > Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on that > day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers > > For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford > Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave > Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park > Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members > performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more info > on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com > Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind but > does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes > the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. > > Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be > held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road > London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex > members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit and > Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special > guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the legendary > Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy Truckers > Party. > > >> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock > >> [said"without prejudice"]: > > >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments > >> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been > >> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, removed > >> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums > >> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been > >> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the idealism > >> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that > >> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of the > >> other members of the band, especially the best known members of > >> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has called > >> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians > >> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly run > >> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder > >> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am > >> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in > >> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- > >> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to > >> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the > >> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. > >> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that > >> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are > >> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter > >> however it suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation > >> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. > > >> With all best wishes, > > >> Mike Moorcock > > > >> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and > >> The Xhawkwind members: > > >> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for > >> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always side > >> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me in > >> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort > >> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled Dave's > >> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. So > >> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod the > >> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me and > >> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is > >> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm on > >> your side Nik. > > >> Mike Moorcock > > --- End of Forwarded Text --- From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 10 02:14:38 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:14:38 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: So true. The thought was slowly taking shape in my slightly hung over brain and all fell together as I read your email. Curious indeed/ In a message dated Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:25:14 AEDT, Bill & Cynthia writes: > Mike wrote: > > > I received this rather depressing mail 9/8/2002. The gist of it is that > > Nik seems to be suing to prevent Dave from using the name Hawkwind or > > any of the songs featuring various ex-members including Moorcock, > > Calvert and Lemmy. I guess the war isn't survived quite yet. Could Nik > > really prevent Hawkwind from playing classic numbers? That's be quite > > depressing to me. Also I guess Moorcock is off the latest project. > > I guess this all reflects the spirit of the aged. This just seems to get > dirtier and dirtier as the ex band members get older. Instant retirement > fund maybe? I don't believe for a second that DB would be ripping off the > estate of RC. Quite simply - if the past members of Hawkwind felt so strong > about Dave ripping them off, Hawkestra would never has happened. > > Maybe the Hawkwind camp could tell us more. > > Cheers > Bill From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 10 02:21:09 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:21:09 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Its a giant load of bollocks In a message dated Sat, 10 Aug 2002 05:19:27 AEDT, "John H. McCartney" writes: > > >Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > > >ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at > > >Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > > >Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > > >and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > > >had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more > > >costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > > >PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER > > >DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Ok, one might suspect that in the case of a MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN, > we might have seen something of it here. Anyone recall seeing fervent > posts from Dave warning us off? > > Thought not... > > > > > scorch From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Aug 10 05:03:01 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:03:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Brit Slang! Message-ID: Also faggot in UK refers to a strange, offally meaty lump of stuff much enjoyed with gravy & 'taties. OK so this doesn't go any further in explaining how it came to mean "one who is gay" in US, or does it......eeeeeuuurrrrcccchhhhh! F. Rat. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John H. McCartney > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Brit Slang! > > > My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > > from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > > as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > > I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > > > As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > > > > > scorch > > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Aug 10 05:19:36 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:19:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Personally, I think Dave shld grow up a little, after all XHawkwind perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. Maybe instead of wasting his doubtless potent energies on pursuing court cases, Mr Brock could be using them to compete even more strongly with the old faithfuls in terms of directing those energies into songwriting and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still want to be associated with the name and Mr Brock's [sic] band indicates they have strong loyalties to the "brand" (apologies for bringing marketing into these illustrious corridors). After all healthy competition can be a powerful incentive to create greatness. All my best wishes and musical appreciation to both hawk camps. I have to admit to never yet having heard XHawkwind , but I bet they're bloody good!!!!!!!!!! Pax vocum ballisticum F. Rat P.S. May I still direct readers to http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a couple of toons of my own. Cheers guys & gals. DRider wrote: > > This email (below) was in my Inbox at work today w/ no subject. > > By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between all > the > Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had registered > Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years members of the > band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now pursuing Dave Brock > about > "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and non-payments of royalties: > Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney Bubbles, > the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve Swindells, Harvey > Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Dave Anderson, Thomas > Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > > SPACE RITUAL.NET FEATURING ORIGINAL EX- HAWKWIND MEMBERS > NIK TURNER-SAX,FLUTE,VOCALS, TERRY OLLIS-DRUMS, THOMAS CRIMBLE-BASS GUITAR, > DAVE ANDERSON-BASS GUITAR AND GUITAR, MICK SLATTERY-GUITAR PLUS VARIOUS > SPECIAL GUESTS APPEAR AT CANTERBURY FESTIVAL[www.canterburyfayre.com] ON > FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST 5pm ALSO ON THAT DAY ARE OZRIC TENTACLES ,FISH, AND KEVIN > AYERS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED THIS BAND AT GLASTONBURY OR GUILDFORD > FESTIVALS IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO OR WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED AT DAVE BROCK'S > HAWKWIND PULLING THEIR GIG AT WAR OF THE WORLDS HEATON PARK MANCHESTER > HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A BAND OF EX-HAWKWIND MEMBERS PERFORMING > CLASSIC HAWKWIND MATERIAL AT A GREAT FESTIVAL. FOR MORE INFO ON CANTERBURY > FAYRE VISIT THEIR WEBSITE AT www.canterburyfayre.com PLEASE NOTE THE BAND > "SPACE RITUAL.NET" IS NOT DAVE BROCK'S HAWKWIND BUT DOES CREATE ON STAGE THE > SPIRIT OF THE 70'S HAWKWIND ETHOS AND INVOKES THE SPIRIT OF BARNEY BUBBLES > AND ROBERT CALVERT. > > ALSO A FUND RAISING BENEFIT FOR THE LEGAL ACTION BY NIK TURNER IS TO BE HELD > ON FRIDAY 8TH NOVEMBER AT THE MEAN FIDDLER CHARING CROSS ROAD LONDON DOORS > OPEN AT 7PM AND WILL FEATURE SPACE RITUAL.NET AND EX MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND AND > MEMBERS OF THE HAWKESTRA AND INNER CITY UNIT AND TRACTOR PLUS COMPERE > MOTHERSHIP CONTROL ANDY DUNKLEY AND OTHER SPECIAL GUESTS TO BE ANNOUNCED . > THE EVENT IS TO BE KNOWN AS ONE OF THE LEGENDARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY IN > FACT IT IS THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY. > > >>MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL MOORCOCK ABOUT THE DISPUTE WITH DAVE > BROCK [SAID"WITHOUT PREJUDICE"] ; From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Aug 10 11:29:39 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:29:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: I received the email as well. Don't know how I got on the list. I appear to have been blind copied as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > This email (below) was in my Inbox at work today w/ no subject. > > I came up for the title of this post from a line in the first paragraph. > > I must have been Blind Copied on it...... > > Did anyone else receive this email in such a mysterious fashion?? > > I am not sure who the sender is....( I don't recognize the address....) > but I have included his or her email address below..... > > I did not see this posted on any of the Hawklists that I subscribe to..... > > PLEASE NOTE: I am Just passing it on. I am NOT the author! > > REPEAT: I am NOT the author! > > And to tell the truth, I have not had a chance to even read it yet..... > > But from cutting and pasting it to an email to send here at home > and out to you, it does not look like a friendly note....... > > D-Rider > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: hawkethos [hawkethos at which.net] > To: editor at rcmag.demon.co.uk > > Press Release 08/08/2002""without prejudice" > > Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, science-fiction > writer Mike Moorcock [see message from mike moorcock to hawkwind fans > further > down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in court case against Dave > Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's > issuing of cd albums featuring early members of Hawkwind and not paying > royalties to or seeking permission of those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" > members. > > It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik Turner > and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com[now had to change it temporarily > to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the 1970's: - Mick > Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - Drums,[the band also > often features other original 70s members Del Dettmar noise > generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron Tree- 90's Hawkwind > member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound checking as the first band to > play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002 [they played in a big top crammed with > around 1000 people and more were listening outside the big top] and Nik > receives an injunction from Dave Brock trying to force Nik not to use any > variation of the word Hawkwind - Niks original Nickname from before the band > was called that!!!!! > > Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their ticket > money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at Guildford > Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the Guildford Festival had > finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival and asked how many people > had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com had been substituted for > Hawkwind > [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more costs to the Festival as the event > drew nearer] THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD > FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON THEIR TICKETS AS PER DAVE BROCK'S > MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS -NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between all > the > Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had registered > Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years members of the > band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now pursuing Dave Brock > about > "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and non-payments of royalties: > Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney Bubbles, > the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve Swindells, Harvey > Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Dave Anderson, Thomas > Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > > SPACE RITUAL.NET FEATURING ORIGINAL EX- HAWKWIND MEMBERS > NIK TURNER-SAX,FLUTE,VOCALS, TERRY OLLIS-DRUMS, THOMAS CRIMBLE-BASS GUITAR, > DAVE ANDERSON-BASS GUITAR AND GUITAR, MICK SLATTERY-GUITAR PLUS VARIOUS > SPECIAL GUESTS APPEAR AT CANTERBURY FESTIVAL[www.canterburyfayre.com] ON > FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST 5pm ALSO ON THAT DAY ARE OZRIC TENTACLES ,FISH, AND KEVIN > AYERS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED THIS BAND AT GLASTONBURY OR GUILDFORD > FESTIVALS IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO OR WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED AT DAVE BROCK'S > HAWKWIND PULLING THEIR GIG AT WAR OF THE WORLDS HEATON PARK MANCHESTER > HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A BAND OF EX-HAWKWIND MEMBERS PERFORMING > CLASSIC HAWKWIND MATERIAL AT A GREAT FESTIVAL. FOR MORE INFO ON CANTERBURY > FAYRE VISIT THEIR WEBSITE AT www.canterburyfayre.com PLEASE NOTE THE BAND > "SPACE RITUAL.NET" IS NOT DAVE BROCK'S HAWKWIND BUT DOES CREATE ON STAGE THE > SPIRIT OF THE 70'S HAWKWIND ETHOS AND INVOKES THE SPIRIT OF BARNEY BUBBLES > AND ROBERT CALVERT. > > ALSO A FUND RAISING BENEFIT FOR THE LEGAL ACTION BY NIK TURNER IS TO BE HELD > ON FRIDAY 8TH NOVEMBER AT THE MEAN FIDDLER CHARING CROSS ROAD LONDON DOORS > OPEN AT 7PM AND WILL FEATURE SPACE RITUAL.NET AND EX MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND AND > MEMBERS OF THE HAWKESTRA AND INNER CITY UNIT AND TRACTOR PLUS COMPERE > MOTHERSHIP CONTROL ANDY DUNKLEY AND OTHER SPECIAL GUESTS TO BE ANNOUNCED . > THE EVENT IS TO BE KNOWN AS ONE OF THE LEGENDARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY IN > FACT IT IS THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY. > > >>MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL MOORCOCK ABOUT THE DISPUTE WITH DAVE > BROCK [SAID"WITHOUT PREJUDICE"] ; > > >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments > >>from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been very > >>obvious for some years that Dave > >>has, wherever possible, removed the work of writers like myself and Bob > >>Calvert from reissued albums and has generally behaved in a an unethical > >>way. While I have been generally silent on these matters, since I have > >>respected the idealism of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious > >>for many years that Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at > >>the expense of the other members of the band, especially the best known > >>members of Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he > >>has called 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new > >>musicians (though I know this has not always been the case) and has > >>clearly run the band as his own property, without reference to other > >>founder members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I > >>am speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in > >>bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- > >>which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to > >>let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the band, > >>several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. Given > >>Dave's own behavior in these matters, I write to assure that any kind > >>words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are no longer > >>verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter however it > >>suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation in this > >>matter, please let me know how I can help. > > >>With all best wishes, > > >>Mike Moorcock > > >>2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice" To Nik Turner and The > Xhawkwind members > > >>Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for > >>some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know > >>that I'll always side with you when things get to this point. If you > >>want to include me in the band formerly known as > >>xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort of member, > >> Whatever you think, pard. > > >>I have not just extolled Dave's virtues. I've said elsewhere that he > >>was manipulative and greedy. So you can always pull those references, > >>should it go that way. Sod the bastard. He has also, of course, removed > >>almost everything by me and Calvert from reissues, > >> Seems wicked to pull Calvert, > >>Bottom line is pard, if it's between you [Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr. > >>Greed, I'm on your side Nik. > >> > >>Mike Moorcock From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 10 11:32:47 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:47 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <001901c23fd8$7db20620$f064073e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: In message <001901c23fd8$7db20620$f064073e at oemcomputer>, Mark Von Bargen writes >First reaction is that this is so sad. I will have to read it several times >before I can fully understand what is really being said within the note. >It doesn't seem like the Hewitt/OZ-IT style, it is too far over the edge >with emotion and invective. It seems more like the work of a crazed lunatic >who wants to start a fight. Indeed. Much of it is actually irrelevant to the issues at stake e.g. the fact that "XHawkwind" drew a good crowd at Glasto- bully for them, but what's the relevance of that? Much of the message is just thinly-disguised advertising for XHawkwind, or spaceritual.net or whatever they're calling themselves now. >Whoever has written the note that Mike received should really have the >courage to identify themselves but I don't think that it will happen. >Of course the Moorcock messages are transcripts of spoken conversations - Not sure about that actually. The second one might be, but the first one doesn't have the "feel" of a spoken conversation, it reads like a letter. Thoughts, for what they're worth if anything- I suppose the issues here divide into the Artistic and the Financial. As far as the Artistic goes, I don't think Nik has a leg to stand on. He wrote a handful of great HW songs a very long time ago, and he did some good work with ICU more recently- but still a long time ago. But ever since then he has survived by guesting with minor space bands and putting together "XHawkwind" and rehashing the same set of old HW songs over and over. He's shown absolutely no sign of having the wherewithal to do anything really new or to move on with his life, for years now. Meanwhile Dave Brock has kept HW afloat all this time, and had he not done so there'd be no Hawkwind legend for Nik and co. to exploit. Nik hugely exaggerates his own role in HW, claiming to have been the founder, the spokesman, the "conscience" and guiding spirit, and all- round counter-cultural guru, hero and saint. I don't doubt that there was a time when Nik had a strong role in the band's ethos, but he has never been a major creative force in the band, a handful of great tracks notwithstanding. The strongest impression that comes across is that Nik, and maybe certain others, are intensely jealous of Dave and the rest of the current line-up. Maybe because Dave has the talent, determination and self-discipline that Nik so blatantly lacks these days. It does make me really sad to see the once mighty Thunder Rider reduced to this. I fully agree with Colm that it's become nauseating to see Nik Turner constantly invoking the "spirit of HW" and the names of people who are no longer with us, when in the end this is mainly about money. Moorcock's comments are pretty unconvincing too- re. Dave putting together new line-ups: fluid line-ups, with new people coming in and old hands returning intermittently- have been part of HW ever since its inception, indeed Moorcock himself would never have been involved were this not the case. Also, I think many people who have received XHawkwind flyers and publicity would dispute the claim that there hasn't been a deliberate attempt to pass the band off as HW. I personally feel that material I received was deliberately ambiguous in this regard, but I accept that's a subjective view that can't be proved either way. It remains to be seen whether Lemmy is really siding with Nik- his comments in the recent Record Collector HW feature suggest he's not overly sympathetic to Nik, but we'll see. OK, so that's the Artistic. As far as the Financial goes, we all know there are a welter of dodgy HW comps and live albums on the market. My impression is that many of these emanate from Nik and Dave Anderson, although Nik claims that royalties are paid out to all who merit them on these releases. He seems to be saying that there are other albums- maybe the Weird CDs, maybe more recent live albums like "Business Trip" and "Yule Ritual", I really don't know what he's referring to- where royalties aren't going to those who should get them. None of us really know whether this is true, so maybe we should refrain from comment on that part. What we *do* know, though, is that writing credits on some albums have been changed, seemingly to favour Brock and other current members, and I must admit, I have always wondered what is going on there. Maybe there is an innocent explanation, I really don't know. Actually, I don't doubt that Dave Brock can be completely ruthless when he deems it necessary. And I have no problem with that. Were it not so, HW would have imploded about 28 years ago. Just out of interest, how can Mick Slattery be pursuing Dave for non- payment of royalties? Does he actually appear on any HW releases? All in all, another sorry saga. At least this one's on-topic. Hope they sort it out, preferably in private- the tactic of spamming fans anonymously strikes me as desperate and underhand, and if Nik think he's gonna win over the fanbase by doing so, I suspect he's in for a nasty shock. Nick >> --- Start of Forwarded Text --- >> >> Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". >> >> Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, >> science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to >> hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up in >> court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the >> Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early >> members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission of >> those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. >> >> It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik >> Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it >> temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the >> 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - >> Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del >> Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron >> Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound >> checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they >> played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were >> listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave >> Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind >> - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. >> >> Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their >> ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind at >> Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the >> Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival >> and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com >> had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on more >> costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF >> PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON >THEIR TICKETS AS PER >> DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS - >NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between >> all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had >> registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden years >> members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now >> pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and >> non-payments of royalties: >> >> Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney >> Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve >> Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, >> Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. >> >> Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members >> >> Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass >> guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus >> various special guests appear at Canterbury >> Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on that >> day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers >> >> For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford >> Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave >> Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park >> Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members >> performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more info >> on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com >> Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind but >> does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes >> the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. >> >> Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be >> held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road >> London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex >> members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit >and >> Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special >> guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the legendary >> Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy Truckers >> Party. >> >> >> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock >> >> [said"without prejudice"]: >> >> >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or payments >> >> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been >> >> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, removed >> >> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums >> >> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been >> >> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the idealism >> >> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that >> >> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of the >> >> other members of the band, especially the best known members of >> >> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has called >> >> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians >> >> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly run >> >> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder >> >> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am >> >> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in >> >> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- >> >> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but to >> >> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the >> >> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. >> >> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that >> >> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are >> >> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this letter >> >> however it suits you and, should you need further help or confirmation >> >> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. >> >> >> With all best wishes, >> >> >> Mike Moorcock >> >> >> >> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and >> >> The Xhawkwind members: >> >> >> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record for >> >> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always side >> >> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me in >> >> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some sort >> >> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled Dave's >> >> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. So >> >> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod the >> >> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me and >> >> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is >> >> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm on >> >> your side Nik. >> >> >> Mike Moorcock >> >> --- End of Forwarded Text --- >> -- Nick Medford From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Aug 10 12:00:04 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:00:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Updated Info Message-ID: ++STAR-WARRIORS MISSION CONTROL UPDATES HAS BEEN UDPATED http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm ++MESSAGE ENDS From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 10 15:16:22 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:16:22 +0100 Subject: Judge Trev is back Message-ID: Many thanks to Dave and Krissie for inviting me to play at the Hawkfest, which I thought was great. I played a couple of short acoustic sets on sunday featuring material from my new album "God and Man", some folk stuff and some ICU favourites. Good vibes abounded and the music flowed. Thanks to the VW combie full of hippies (he he) who gave me a lift, which only just managed to get up the last lot of hills (sorry i've forgotten all your names as usual - it was the truffles!). It was good to meet up with so many old friends there who I hadn't seen for years. We'll soon have some vid clips and pics of the party up on the Real Festival Music website. I played a couple of sets at the Big Green Gathering after and then went on to finish recording for the new Steve Peregrine Took memorial album, in Wales - I just got back and my suitcase really stinks. Peace and love to you all, Judge Trev RFM Real Festival Music www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's News Forum Healers Video Downloads From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Sat Aug 10 14:55:16 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:55:16 -0600 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Wow, imagine if Dave had let the band disintegrate all those years ago, and had not been the ONE PERSON who worked harder than anybody else building up this band. Sure, everybody else contributed a lot, and was very important. But did they stick with it through thick and thin? Who else has never failed to make a go with it? Let me comment on some of this below. Sorry for taking up so much bandwidth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" > Personally, I think Dave should grow up a little, after all XHawkwind > perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory > intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or > another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. I guess if I worked at McDonalds for a few years, then I could open a restaurant called xMcDonalds and sell xBig xMacs, too. And tell Ronald McDonald to grow up for having a problem with it. And there's thousands of xMcDonald's workers who would probably join my cause and offer me verbal support. That should make it right! > Maybe instead of wasting his doubtless potent energies on pursuing court > cases, Mr Brock could be using them to compete even more strongly with > the old faithfuls in terms of directing those energies into songwriting Wait a minute! "Old faithfuls" is a bit misleading. Let's be honest. Is Thomas Crimble an old faithful? Is Mick Slattery an old faithful? Is Terry Ollis an old faithful? Maybe Nik Turner qualifies, but the rest are just minor figures. I loved Ron Tree with Hawkwind, and will follow his ventures from this point, but I wouldn't call him an "old faithful". And why is NOBODY questioning their motives? Why hasn't one person asked why Thomas Crimble is in this? Is he such a magnificent bass player that he had to be included? Is he absolutely synonomous with Nik Turner, having worked alongside him in Hawkwind, Inner City Unit, Nik's All-Stars, etc? Or is he just a so-so musician who Nik can live with ONLY BECAUSE HE LENDS CREDIBILITY to the xHawkwind claim? Question those motives -- imagine including a guy just because he gives you another bullet in your gun, and not because of any musical merits. And then see who's holding the gun, and it's Nik, isn't it? And why do you tell Dave to get busy with songwriting? I agree that I want a new album that is better than the last few, but how much energy has Nik put into songwriting lately? When will you ever get a new song from the xHawkwind crew? I think that if you want new material, then you'd be arguing for Nik to end this debacle so that Dave can get on with what he does best and what he's done for the past 33 years -- creating music. Dave's creative output over the last 20 years makes Nik's output from the same time period seem awful insignificant indeed. > and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris Tait's book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady rhythm, so they added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had two drummers for awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry Ollis in the band, as he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has ever had, and that will continue the fine tradition of musical excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) > want to be associated with the name and Mr Brock's [sic] band indicates > they have strong loyalties to the "brand" (apologies for bringing > marketing into these illustrious corridors). Whoa, what do you mean "brand"? So you are confirming that this is all about associating Nik's party with a certain "name"? You see, I have no problems with Nik or with who he wants to play with, but I only see troubles with using a name that they haven't earned. Nik may have had some claim on it back in 1976 when he was first sacked. That was the time for him to say "wait a minute, you can't kick me out of my own band", but he didn't do so. I give him ALL THE CREDIT in the world for doing that. He left quietly, and didn't stir things up, and he stepped on to the next phase of his career. And Dave continued with the band, and even had Nik back for a short while in the 80's. So I guess that establishes who owns the band. Nik missed his shot if he wanted to fight over it. That's a long time ago, and when he returned to the band in the 80's that implies a tacit agreement that it's Dave's band and that Dave calls the shots. So why is Nik starting this fight now? Oh, I see. Without this name, Nik has no career anymore. You see, Dave still has a career, and Nik had one at one point, but the music business is not as it once was, and without the Hawkwind name, Nik has no career anymore. Might as well just steal Dave's career, then, right? Dave has kept the boat afloat all these years, and why not take that to advantage and salvage some kind of career from that? > After all healthy competition can be a powerful incentive to create > greatness. Sure, competition is great, but even McDonald's and Burger King have different names, don't they? Why not have a whole bunch of Hawkwinds, and make the competition even better? You can have xHawkwind, and yHawkwind, and zHawkwind, and then start over again with aHawkwind, and then to get yourself higher alphabetically you would go to aaaHawkwind, and this competition would be great for the band! Just stick an ex-member in each one, and you're away. Where's Dead Fred when you need him? And I'm sure the old faithful Steve Swindells would be available if the price was right. And Ginger Baker, can't forget him! He's the inspiration for this whole thing, so I can't imagine why he's not in alongside Nik right now, unless it's because Terry Ollis is such a wonderful drummer that Nik doesn't need a second drummer (like in the glory days of the early 70's). > All my best wishes and musical appreciation to both hawk camps. I have > to admit to never yet having heard XHawkwind , but I bet they're bloody > good!!!!!!!!!! I wish them both luck, too, but there's only one Hawkwind, and for anybody to start creating a furor over the name is a bit obscene, in my opinion. If Dave is so vindictive, then why did he allow Nik to perform with Inner City Unit? If Nik gets a new name, I'll certainly support his creative output, even though I know it's not going to be any new material, just the same old classics. Now, before I close, how about a fictional scenario? I'll assume that you know your Motorhead lore, and let me make a parallel if I may: It's apparent that Fast Eddie has no career anymore. He had a moment with Fastway, but that's in the past. His last solo album "It's Not Over Til It's Over" was basically ignored, even though there was one track with Lemmy included to help it sell. It failed miserably. And Lemmy's a good guy, he's even had Fast Eddie guest on stage a few times here and there, but he said in an interview that the problem is that Fast Eddie doesn't look like Fast Eddie anymore. Fast Eddie comes on stage and looks like an old guy (not rock-n-roll) at all, and the crowd goes dead wondering what is going on. So Fast Eddie is finished. It's a fact -- unless he's in Motorhead, he's not going to have any career. And Lemmy doesn't think that it's going to work to keep Fast Eddie involved any more than just as a friend who does a guest spot once every 5 years or so. So here's the fiction: Suppose Fast Eddie starts up a Motorhead band. That's the one name that will allow him to get a gig. And he could get any young guys to play with him, and it won't matter. But he knows there's going to be a bit of noise about it, so he goes out and finds certain guys in particular. Suppose he gets Lucas Fox on drums. That's an original member! That gives him some ammunition for his bullet belt, if you may. And if Lucas doesn't work out, maybe Pete Gill (ex-Saxon) would fit it on drums (remember, Pete did play on the mighty Orgasmatron album, so that makes him an old faithful). And if you look hard enough, you might even find Philthy somewhere. Check the gutters, because Lemmy hinted that Philthy has restarted his old career. This probably means he's peddling dope, but I'd bet he's using more than he's selling, so he may even be dead now, with major debts owing to his suppliers. But if you could find him, what a coup! Two of the so-called "classic lineup" together again, Fast Eddie and Philthy! I doubt Larry Wallis would touch this sort of thing with a ten-foot pole, but it's worth a shot. Even though Fast Eddie and Larry only played together a couple of times in rehearsals, and maybe at the 10th year Birthday party, it would help to have another guitarist and it does add more ammunition to Fast Eddie's bullet belt. Need a bass player? Hmm... maybe Paul Rudolph. He's not ex-Motorhead, but he's ex-Hawkwind and ex-Pink Fairies, and they're the two bands most closely associated with Motorhead. I wonder if Wurzel can play bass? (Hope so, because he can't really play guitar that well anymore.) Get Wurzel there, anyways, and it's a bit more interesting, even if he only does his seagull guitar sounds like on his ambient solo album "Chill Out or Die" that everybody ignored. And then you're set. Fast Eddie can sing. You remember the song "Step Down" from the "Bomber" album, don't you? And Fast Eddie did sing almost all of his last solo album (It's Not Over Til It's Over), although he did have some backing help from John Sloman (ex-Uriah Heep, ex-Gary Moore), so you'd best try very hard to get Larry Wallis in to help him with the vocals when he needs it. Maybe even Mick Farren can be persuaded to help do some singing, as he did co-write a few of the earlier tracks, and he's a good buddy of Larry's, isn't he? And there you have it -- xMotorhead.com! And competition is great! Lemmy can have his band, with those new guys, and they can do new material if they want, but this other band xMotorhead.com can just do the classic material again and again, as long as they keep getting gigs. Play the old songs into the ground! Dust off the shiny "Golden Years" era and relive those classic moments, again and again and again. Don't worry that each such event might remove a bit of the lustre and mystique with which we remember those old fond moments. It's all in the name of healthy competition! And then when some trouble gets stirred up, blame Lemmy! Lemmy's a bastard, doesn't he say so himself? Lemmy better not send one notice out about this either, or we'll accuse him of a massive internet campaign, bombarding us with hateful propaganda, the dirty nazi that he is! Who cares that Lemmy has kept the band going and continually brings in the best musicians he can find (like drummer Mikkey Dee, who is probably the best heavy drummer in the world right now). Who cares that Lemmy is continually bringing out new material that is much more consistent and more energetic than anything done in the 70's or 80's? Why can't he give Fast Eddie a break and quit being a selfish old geezer! Long Live xMotorhead.com! Vive le Fast Eddie! Phil Campbell sucks, he doesn't even have a good nickname anyways. On the 1916 album his nickname was "Wizzo", and then on the March or Die album his nickname was "Zoom". Forget that loser if he can't get a good nickname! Author's note: This is fiction, and Lemmy is still my hero. He is not a Nazi, and his music in the 90's and beyond has been, in my opinion, the best of his lifework. Phil Campbell is a great person, and I salute him for contributing so much to the Motorhead legend. Fast Eddie is a great guy and is probably doing just fine with whatever he is involved in outside of music. And if Philthy is reading this, please contact me as I'm in need of a new supply of that medication... Peace and Hawkwind, and lots of Motorhead! And to the author, F. Rat, I meant nothing personal to you, but I did feel compelled to address several key points of your argument, and I hope that this was constructive. Bryan Young Saskatchewan, Canada > Pax vocum ballisticum > > F. Rat > > P.S. May I still direct readers to > > http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat > > for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a > couple of toons of my own. > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Aug 10 15:27:33 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:27:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Bryan Young wrote: > > f rat wrote: > > Personally, I think Dave should grow up a little, after all XHawkwind > > perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory > > intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or > > another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. > > I guess if I worked at McDonalds for a few years, then I could open a > restaurant called xMcDonalds and sell xBig xMacs, too. And tell Ronald > McDonald to grow up for having a problem with it. And there's thousands of > xMcDonald's workers who would probably join my cause and offer me verbal > support. That should make it right! I think a few more people have worked in McDonalds over the years and made a wee bit less of a contribution individually to the whole "concept" of McDonalds than ex-members of Hawkwind such as Uncle Nik have to the band. F. Rat Question those motives -- imagine including a guy just because he gives you > another bullet in your gun, and not because of any musical merits. And then > see who's holding the gun, and it's Nik, isn't it? Somewhat gruesome and I fear a little Paranoid imagery coming across here Bryan. F. Rat > And why do you tell Dave to get busy with songwriting? I agree that I want > a new album that is better than the last few, but how much energy has Nik > put into songwriting lately? When will you ever get a new song from the > xHawkwind crew? I think that if you want new material, then you'd be > arguing for Nik to end this debacle so that Dave can get on with what he > does best and what he's done for the past 33 years -- creating music. > Dave's creative output over the last 20 years makes Nik's output from the > same time period seem awful insignificant indeed. > > > and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still > > Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris Tait's > book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady rhythm, so they > added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had two drummers for > awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry Ollis in the band, as > he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has ever had, and that will > continue the fine tradition of musical excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) Like whoa yerself dude, where's the humour - an integral part of the Hawkwind "ethos" wouldn't cha say (Flying Doctor, Quark Strangeness & Charm, Needle Gun, Reefer Madness etc etc etc b;laah b;laah etc) F. Rat > Now, before I close, how about a fictional scenario? I'll assume that you > know your Motorhead lore, and let me make a parallel if I may: > > It's apparent that Fast Eddie has no career anymore. He had a moment with > Fastway, but that's in the past. > So here's the fiction: Suppose Fast Eddie starts up a Motorhead band. > That's the one name that will allow him to get a gig. And he could get any But shurely that's "Motorhead" NOT "XMotorhead". If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin with a different letter and have a different number of characters in them. When Hawkwind start dumbing down that's a sign to get worried I think - not known for having a thick fanbase I believe!!! F. Rat > Peace and Hawkwind, and lots of Motorhead! And to the author, F. Rat, I > meant nothing personal to you, but I did feel compelled to address several > key points of your argument, and I hope that this was constructive. > > Bryan Young > Saskatchewan, Canada Okay Bryan thanks for your comments but my point is that Dave seems to be losing his sense of humour over this a little, however (grin, grin) it makes me wonder whether the whole furore is in fact a publicity raising exercise which will in the long run benefit both camps. Cynic I may be but I'm sure Nik and Dave are no strangers to playing "fast and dirty" the odd time. Pax Vobiscum Motorus Maximus F. Rat. > > Pax vocum ballisticum > > > > F. Rat > > > > P.S. May I still direct readers to > > > > http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat > > > > for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a > > couple of toons of my own. > > From youless at LVCM.COM Sat Aug 10 15:31:52 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:31:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: That's the single best exposition of this whole XHawkwind saga that I've seen...presenting the case for the prosecution, of course.... Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:55:16 -0600, Bryan Young wrote: From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Aug 10 16:31:35 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:31:35 +0000 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi, Yes its depressing when it gets to this stage but it seems to me Dave Brock started it all by getting all meglomaniac and hung up over nothing. My guess is he can end it all very easily by chilling out and getting back with the Spirit. Chris From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Sat Aug 10 15:55:19 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:55:19 -0600 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: So if the number of characters and the varied spelling is all that counts, then I can even off up a better name, and forget the xHawkwind.com name. Use an umlaut, like on the name "Mot?rhead", and other specialized characters. So Nik can use this name: H??k???? because it has different characters. (If this doesn't come through properly, I've used the lower-case greek letters omega and delta instead of "w" and "d", and I've got the "n" with the tilde above (which I believe is used in the Spanish language), and there are umlauts above both vowels.) So this is totally different, and you can't get sued for that, can you? Of course, it may be hard to get it typeset when you advertise the gigs in the paper. All in fun, Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > them. > > When Hawkwind start dumbing down that's a sign to get worried I think - > not known for having a thick fanbase I believe!!! > > F. Rat From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Aug 10 16:30:18 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:30:18 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Tonight Message-ID: Hello. I'll be broadcasting tonight from 5-7pm, and next week as well. The following "ad" says that I do this every week, though lately that hasn't been the case. But, I'm going to "fill in for myself", so if you're interested, tune in. Tonight should include some Korai Orom, Marble Sheep, Spacehead, Alien Dream, Tangerine Dream, Last Druids, FSOL, Anubian Lights, Groundhogs, Lightning Bolt, etc. "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. E-MAIL me at the Station during my program for the famous "comments, questions and recommendations" at the same e-mail as above: or give a call at: 909-787-KUCR thanks, Chuck From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 10 18:21:27 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:21:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Beta-lactam Ring Records Label Special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 10, 2002): We've just uploaded the following new radio shows Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #54: General Playlist Aural Innovations Radio Show #53: Beta-lactam Ring Records Label Special SEE THE PLAYLISTS BELOW Saturday September 21st, 2002: BEDOUIN with special guest Simon House Support will be: SPACEHEAD and HARVEY BAINBRIDGE With lighting effects by: Chaos Illumination Thomas Peacocke Community College, Rye, East Sussex - near Hastings Tickets are ?10.00, Doors open at 7.30 - Show ends at Midnight Information Line: 07899-676723 STONER FESTIVAL, AUG 23-24, Live at the Rebel Heart Amphithearter near Hollywood Pond, Alabama featuring Weedeater, Residue, F$#&%$*, Horrible, Beaten Back To Pure, Catchfire, The Great Unwashed, Soul Preacher, Hogmountain, Selling Mary, Stank, Jimjaw, Chalk, Molehill, Jackpot Justice, and many more. 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I'm sure we will get an official statement regarding any court decisions, from MC, if and when there is anything to be told. Disregard the letter I say. And crank up the HAWKWIND on your stereo so the neighbors can here it nice n goooooooooooood!!!! Mick In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:07:16 AEDT, Bryan Young writes: > Wow, imagine if Dave had let the band disintegrate all those years ago, and > had not been the ONE PERSON who worked harder than anybody else building up > this band. Sure, everybody else contributed a lot, and was very important. > But did they stick with it through thick and thin? Who else has never > failed to make a go with it? Let me comment on some of this below. Sorry > for taking up so much bandwidth. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "f. rat" > > > > Personally, I think Dave should grow up a little, after all XHawkwind > > perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory > > intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or > > another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. > > I guess if I worked at McDonalds for a few years, then I could open a > restaurant called xMcDonalds and sell xBig xMacs, too. And tell Ronald > McDonald to grow up for having a problem with it. And there's thousands of > xMcDonald's workers who would probably join my cause and offer me verbal > support. That should make it right! > > > Maybe instead of wasting his doubtless potent energies on pursuing court > > cases, Mr Brock could be using them to compete even more strongly with > > the old faithfuls in terms of directing those energies into songwriting > > Wait a minute! "Old faithfuls" is a bit misleading. Let's be honest. Is > Thomas Crimble an old faithful? Is Mick Slattery an old faithful? Is Terry > Ollis an old faithful? Maybe Nik Turner qualifies, but the rest are just > minor figures. I loved Ron Tree with Hawkwind, and will follow his ventures > from this point, but I wouldn't call him an "old faithful". And why is > NOBODY questioning their motives? Why hasn't one person asked why Thomas > Crimble is in this? Is he such a magnificent bass player that he had to be > included? Is he absolutely synonomous with Nik Turner, having worked > alongside him in Hawkwind, Inner City Unit, Nik's All-Stars, etc? Or is he > just a so-so musician who Nik can live with ONLY BECAUSE HE LENDS > CREDIBILITY to the xHawkwind claim? > > Question those motives -- imagine including a guy just because he gives you > another bullet in your gun, and not because of any musical merits. And then > see who's holding the gun, and it's Nik, isn't it? > > And why do you tell Dave to get busy with songwriting? I agree that I want > a new album that is better than the last few, but how much energy has Nik > put into songwriting lately? When will you ever get a new song from the > xHawkwind crew? I think that if you want new material, then you'd be > arguing for Nik to end this debacle so that Dave can get on with what he > does best and what he's done for the past 33 years -- creating music. > Dave's creative output over the last 20 years makes Nik's output from the > same time period seem awful insignificant indeed. > > > and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still > > Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris Tait's > book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady rhythm, so they > added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had two drummers for > awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry Ollis in the band, as > he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has ever had, and that will > continue the fine tradition of musical excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) > > > want to be associated with the name and Mr Brock's [sic] band indicates > > they have strong loyalties to the "brand" (apologies for bringing > > marketing into these illustrious corridors). > > Whoa, what do you mean "brand"? So you are confirming that this is all > about associating Nik's party with a certain "name"? You see, I have no > problems with Nik or with who he wants to play with, but I only see troubles > with using a name that they haven't earned. Nik may have had some claim on > it back in 1976 when he was first sacked. That was the time for him to say > "wait a minute, you can't kick me out of my own band", but he didn't do so. > I give him ALL THE CREDIT in the world for doing that. He left quietly, and > didn't stir things up, and he stepped on to the next phase of his career. > And Dave continued with the band, and even had Nik back for a short while in > the 80's. So I guess that establishes who owns the band. Nik missed his > shot if he wanted to fight over it. That's a long time ago, and when he > returned to the band in the 80's that implies a tacit agreement that it's > Dave's band and that Dave calls the shots. > > So why is Nik starting this fight now? Oh, I see. Without this name, Nik > has no career anymore. You see, Dave still has a career, and Nik had one at > one point, but the music business is not as it once was, and without the > Hawkwind name, Nik has no career anymore. Might as well just steal Dave's > career, then, right? Dave has kept the boat afloat all these years, and why > not take that to advantage and salvage some kind of career from that? > > > After all healthy competition can be a powerful incentive to create > > greatness. > > Sure, competition is great, but even McDonald's and Burger King have > different names, don't they? Why not have a whole bunch of Hawkwinds, and > make the competition even better? You can have xHawkwind, and yHawkwind, > and zHawkwind, and then start over again with aHawkwind, and then to get > yourself higher alphabetically you would go to aaaHawkwind, and this > competition would be great for the band! Just stick an ex-member in each > one, and you're away. Where's Dead Fred when you need him? And I'm sure > the old faithful Steve Swindells would be available if the price was right. > And Ginger Baker, can't forget him! He's the inspiration for this whole > thing, so I can't imagine why he's not in alongside Nik right now, unless > it's because Terry Ollis is such a wonderful drummer that Nik doesn't need a > second drummer (like in the glory days of the early 70's). > > > All my best wishes and musical appreciation to both hawk camps. I have > > to admit to never yet having heard XHawkwind , but I bet they're bloody > > good!!!!!!!!!! > > I wish them both luck, too, but there's only one Hawkwind, and for anybody > to start creating a furor over the name is a bit obscene, in my opinion. If > Dave is so vindictive, then why did he allow Nik to perform with Inner City > Unit? If Nik gets a new name, I'll certainly support his creative output, > even though I know it's not going to be any new material, just the same old > classics. > > > Now, before I close, how about a fictional scenario? I'll assume that you > know your Motorhead lore, and let me make a parallel if I may: > > It's apparent that Fast Eddie has no career anymore. He had a moment with > Fastway, but that's in the past. His last solo album "It's Not Over Til > It's Over" was basically ignored, even though there was one track with Lemmy > included to help it sell. It failed miserably. And Lemmy's a good guy, > he's even had Fast Eddie guest on stage a few times here and there, but he > said in an interview that the problem is that Fast Eddie doesn't look like > Fast Eddie anymore. Fast Eddie comes on stage and looks like an old guy > (not rock-n-roll) at all, and the crowd goes dead wondering what is going > on. So Fast Eddie is finished. It's a fact -- unless he's in Motorhead, > he's not going to have any career. And Lemmy doesn't think that it's going > to work to keep Fast Eddie involved any more than just as a friend who does > a guest spot once every 5 years or so. > > So here's the fiction: Suppose Fast Eddie starts up a Motorhead band. > That's the one name that will allow him to get a gig. And he could get any > young guys to play with him, and it won't matter. But he knows there's > going to be a bit of noise about it, so he goes out and finds certain guys > in particular. Suppose he gets Lucas Fox on drums. That's an original > member! That gives him some ammunition for his bullet belt, if you may. > And if Lucas doesn't work out, maybe Pete Gill (ex-Saxon) would fit it on > drums (remember, Pete did play on the mighty Orgasmatron album, so that > makes him an old faithful). > > And if you look hard enough, you might even find Philthy somewhere. Check > the gutters, because Lemmy hinted that Philthy has restarted his old career. > This probably means he's peddling dope, but I'd bet he's using more than > he's selling, so he may even be dead now, with major debts owing to his > suppliers. But if you could find him, what a coup! Two of the so-called > "classic lineup" together again, Fast Eddie and Philthy! > > I doubt Larry Wallis would touch this sort of thing with a ten-foot pole, > but it's worth a shot. Even though Fast Eddie and Larry only played > together a couple of times in rehearsals, and maybe at the 10th year > Birthday party, it would help to have another guitarist and it does add more > ammunition to Fast Eddie's bullet belt. > > Need a bass player? Hmm... maybe Paul Rudolph. He's not ex-Motorhead, but > he's ex-Hawkwind and ex-Pink Fairies, and they're the two bands most closely > associated with Motorhead. I wonder if Wurzel can play bass? (Hope so, > because he can't really play guitar that well anymore.) Get Wurzel there, > anyways, and it's a bit more interesting, even if he only does his seagull > guitar sounds like on his ambient solo album "Chill Out or Die" that > everybody ignored. > > And then you're set. Fast Eddie can sing. You remember the song "Step > Down" from the "Bomber" album, don't you? And Fast Eddie did sing almost > all of his last solo album (It's Not Over Til It's Over), although he did > have some backing help from John Sloman (ex-Uriah Heep, ex-Gary Moore), so > you'd best try very hard to get Larry Wallis in to help him with the vocals > when he needs it. Maybe even Mick Farren can be persuaded to help do some > singing, as he did co-write a few of the earlier tracks, and he's a good > buddy of Larry's, isn't he? > > And there you have it -- xMotorhead.com! And competition is great! Lemmy > can have his band, with those new guys, and they can do new material if they > want, but this other band xMotorhead.com can just do the classic material > again and again, as long as they keep getting gigs. Play the old songs into > the ground! Dust off the shiny "Golden Years" era and relive those classic > moments, again and again and again. Don't worry that each such event might > remove a bit of the lustre and mystique with which we remember those old > fond moments. It's all in the name of healthy competition! > > And then when some trouble gets stirred up, blame Lemmy! Lemmy's a bastard, > doesn't he say so himself? Lemmy better not send one notice out about this > either, or we'll accuse him of a massive internet campaign, bombarding us > with hateful propaganda, the dirty nazi that he is! Who cares that Lemmy > has kept the band going and continually brings in the best musicians he can > find (like drummer Mikkey Dee, who is probably the best heavy drummer in the > world right now). Who cares that Lemmy is continually bringing out new > material that is much more consistent and more energetic than anything done > in the 70's or 80's? Why can't he give Fast Eddie a break and quit being a > selfish old geezer! Long Live xMotorhead.com! Vive le Fast Eddie! Phil > Campbell sucks, he doesn't even have a good nickname anyways. On the 1916 > album his nickname was "Wizzo", and then on the March or Die album his > nickname was "Zoom". Forget that loser if he can't get a good nickname! > > Author's note: This is fiction, and Lemmy is still my hero. He is not a > Nazi, and his music in the 90's and beyond has been, in my opinion, the best > of his lifework. Phil Campbell is a great person, and I salute him for > contributing so much to the Motorhead legend. Fast Eddie is a great guy and > is probably doing just fine with whatever he is involved in outside of > music. And if Philthy is reading this, please contact me as I'm in need of > a new supply of that medication... > > > Peace and Hawkwind, and lots of Motorhead! And to the author, F. Rat, I > meant nothing personal to you, but I did feel compelled to address several > key points of your argument, and I hope that this was constructive. > > Bryan Young > Saskatchewan, Canada > > > Pax vocum ballisticum > > > > F. Rat > > > > P.S. May I still direct readers to > > > > http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat > > > > for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a > > couple of toons of my own. > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 06:19:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:19:33 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Ahhhhhhhhhhh fuck all this shit!! lets all just drop some ACID and try to find our way to stonehenge!!! WHOS IN???!!??? LOL ((I might be late)) In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:30:57 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > Bryan Young wrote: > > > > f rat wrote: > > > > Personally, I think Dave should grow up a little, after all XHawkwind > > > perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory > > > intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or > > > another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. > > > > I guess if I worked at McDonalds for a few years, then I could open a > > restaurant called xMcDonalds and sell xBig xMacs, too. And tell Ronald > > McDonald to grow up for having a problem with it. And there's thousands of > > xMcDonald's workers who would probably join my cause and offer me verbal > > support. That should make it right! > > I think a few more people have worked in McDonalds over the years and > made a wee bit less of a contribution individually to the whole > "concept" of McDonalds than ex-members of Hawkwind such as Uncle Nik > have to the band. > > F. Rat > > Question those motives -- imagine including a guy just because he gives > you > > another bullet in your gun, and not because of any musical merits. And then > > see who's holding the gun, and it's Nik, isn't it? > > Somewhat gruesome and I fear a little Paranoid imagery coming across > here Bryan. > > F. Rat > > > And why do you tell Dave to get busy with songwriting? I agree that I want > > a new album that is better than the last few, but how much energy has Nik > > put into songwriting lately? When will you ever get a new song from the > > xHawkwind crew? I think that if you want new material, then you'd be > > arguing for Nik to end this debacle so that Dave can get on with what he > > does best and what he's done for the past 33 years -- creating music. > > Dave's creative output over the last 20 years makes Nik's output from the > > same time period seem awful insignificant indeed. > > > > > and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still > > > > Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris Tait's > > book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady rhythm, so they > > added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had two drummers for > > awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry Ollis in the band, as > > he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has ever had, and that will > > continue the fine tradition of musical excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) > > Like whoa yerself dude, where's the humour - an integral part of the > Hawkwind "ethos" wouldn't cha say (Flying Doctor, Quark Strangeness & > Charm, Needle Gun, Reefer Madness etc etc etc b;laah b;laah etc) > > F. Rat > > > > Now, before I close, how about a fictional scenario? I'll assume that you > > know your Motorhead lore, and let me make a parallel if I may: > > > > It's apparent that Fast Eddie has no career anymore. He had a moment with > > Fastway, but that's in the past. > > So here's the fiction: Suppose Fast Eddie starts up a Motorhead band. > > That's the one name that will allow him to get a gig. And he could get any > > But shurely that's "Motorhead" NOT "XMotorhead". > > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > them. > > When Hawkwind start dumbing down that's a sign to get worried I think - > not known for having a thick fanbase I believe!!! > > F. Rat > > > > > Peace and Hawkwind, and lots of Motorhead! And to the author, F. Rat, I > > meant nothing personal to you, but I did feel compelled to address several > > key points of your argument, and I hope that this was constructive. > > > > Bryan Young > > Saskatchewan, Canada > > Okay Bryan thanks for your comments but my point is that Dave seems to > be losing his sense of humour over this a little, however (grin, grin) > it makes me wonder whether the whole furore is in fact a publicity > raising exercise which will in the long run benefit both camps. Cynic I > may be but I'm sure Nik and Dave are no strangers to playing "fast and > dirty" the odd time. > > Pax Vobiscum Motorus Maximus > > F. Rat. > > > > > Pax vocum ballisticum > > > > > > F. Rat > > > > > > P.S. May I still direct readers to > > > > > > http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat > > > > > > for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a > > > couple of toons of my own. > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 06:23:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:23:50 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality it is ex members it CAN cause problems. Im sertain it would be a different story if it were your famous band and you were in Daves position. Really - the bottom line is its the bands business. Not the fans - because we dont have all the facts in our posession. Just a lot of rumour and hearsay. So - FUCK ALL THIS SHIt Lets drop some acid and try to find stonehenge dont be late In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:33:48 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi, > > Yes its depressing when it gets to this stage but it seems to me Dave > Brock started it all by getting all meglomaniac and hung up over > nothing. My guess is he can end it all very easily by chilling out and > getting back with the Spirit. > > Chris From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 06:30:30 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:30:30 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:55:35 AEDT, Bryan Young writes: > So if the number of characters and the varied spelling is all that counts, > then I can even off up a better name, and forget the xHawkwind.com name. > > Use an umlaut, like on the name "Mot?rhead", and other specialized > characters. > > So Nik can use this name: > > H?k?? > How about: H?k??-vindtttt (with assorted extra characters above vindttt??) :>))) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 06:32:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:32:12 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Tonight Message-ID: I've heard about Alien Dream:) good schtufff ey what? In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:31:15 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > Hello. I'll be broadcasting tonight from 5-7pm, and next week as well. The > following "ad" says that I do this every week, though lately that hasn't been > the case. But, I'm going to "fill in for myself", so if you're interested, > tune in. Tonight should include some Korai Orom, Marble Sheep, Spacehead, > Alien Dream, Tangerine Dream, Last Druids, FSOL, Anubian Lights, Groundhogs, > Lightning Bolt, etc. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Aug 11 08:14:14 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:14:14 +0000 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi ya, > So - FUCK ALL THIS SHIt > Lets drop some acid and try to find stonehenge > dont be late So where is the good stuff? not seen postage stamp sized white lightening for a very looooong time now. And still awaiting the return of the fungal entities from the alternate reality. Chris From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 07:45:25 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:45:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Bryan Young wrote: > > > So Nik can use this name: > > (see below) > > because it has different characters. > (If this doesn't come through properly, I've used the lower-case greek > letters omega and delta instead of "w" and "d", and I've got the "n" with > the tilde above (which I believe is used in the Spanish language), and there > are umlauts above both vowels.) > In my mail program this comes out as H????k???????? which I *think* would be considered not *too* easily confused with the name Hawkwind!!!! F. Rat. > > All in fun, > > Bryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "f. rat" > > > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > > them. > > > > When Hawkwind start dumbing down that's a sign to get worried I think - > > not known for having a thick fanbase I believe!!! > > > > F. Rat From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 07:50:36 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:50:36 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > > Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality it is ex members it CAN cause problems. But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). Mark (fatrat) Forster > So - FUCK ALL THIS SHIt > Lets drop some acid and try to find stonehenge > dont be late Yeah okay, I can sympathise with that!!!!!!!!! > In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:33:48 AEDT, Chris writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Yes its depressing when it gets to this stage but it seems to me Dave > > Brock started it all by getting all meglomaniac and hung up over > > nothing. My guess is he can end it all very easily by chilling out and > > getting back with the Spirit. > > > > Chris At last someone who agrees with me!!! Hi Chris, how's yer linux? F. Rat From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Aug 11 10:07:48 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Tonight Message-ID: Many thanks to Chuck for playing the full 14 minutes and 37 seconds of my track "The Dragons of Dinas Emrys", from "The Last Druids" and juxtaposing it with that other high quality piece of music, Hawkwind's "You'd Better Believe it". I hope you stay in the saddle, Chuck, we need dj's of your discernment! Yours in a not at all partisan manner, Tom > > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:30:18 EDT > From: Chuck Rosenberg > Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Tonight > > Hello. I'll be broadcasting tonight from 5-7pm, and next week as well. The > following "ad" says that I do this every week, though lately that hasn't been > the case. But, I'm going to "fill in for myself", so if you're interested, > tune in. Tonight should include some Korai Orom, Marble Sheep, Spacehead, > Alien Dream, Tangerine Dream, Last Druids, FSOL, Anubian Lights, Groundhogs, > Lightning Bolt, etc. > > > "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. > Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims > TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: > For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing > list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. > > E-MAIL me at the Station during my program for the famous "comments, > questions and recommendations" at the same e-mail as above: > or give a call at: 909-787-KUCR thanks, Chuck > > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 13:32:32 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:32:32 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: f. rat > > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > > Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking > > they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality > > it is ex members it CAN cause problems. > > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans Maybe not the fans but I suspect there may some very confused promotors and venue organisers around. Nothing more irritating than booking a band only to find it isn't quite what you thought it was. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 14:16:24 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:16:24 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 8/10/02 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. E-MAIL me at the Station during my program for the famous "comments, questions and recommendations" at the same e-mail as above: or give a call at: 909-787-KUCR thanks, Chuck 8/10 (thanks to Tom and Steve for their replies!) 1.Korai Orom-- track #1 (Sound and Vision 2000; Kora?) 2.Scattered Planets-- "Hal's Lament" (Drinking w/Aliens) 3.Harmonia-- "Monza (De Luxe; Brain) 4.Marble Sheep-- "Ancient Wind (Old from New Heads; Captain Trip) 5.Pere Ubu-- "Lisbon" (St. Arkansas; SpinArt) 6.JFK Jr. Royal Airforce-- "Take the Chicken from the Man" (2; Slutfish) 7.ST 37-- "Groover" (Nunavut; Blue Circle) 8.Alien Dream-- title-track (Dogon Dance) 9.FSOL-- "We Have Explosive" (Dead Cities/CD single; Astralwerks) 10.Groundhogs-- "Split Pt. 1" (Split; EMI/Liberty) 11.Hawkwind-- "You'd Better Believe It" (1999 Party; EMI) 12.Tom Byrne-- "The Dragons of Dinas Emrys" (The Last Druids; thanks to Tom!) 13.Lightning Bolt-- "The Faire Folk" (Ride the Skies; Load) 14.Guitar Wolf-- "Fujiyama Attack" (Jet Generation; Matador) 15.Anubian Lights-- "One Eye to the Sky" (Live w/Nik Turner; Strange Trips) 16.Tangerine Dream-- "Fly and Collision of Comas Sola" (Alpha Centauri; Castle Communications CD which is after hearing on headphones a vinyl job afterall) thanks, Chuck From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Aug 11 15:05:50 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:05:50 -0500 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Sounds to me as though XHawkwind is exactly that - a band made up of ex-Hawkwind members. No confusion there. It would certainly not confuse me to see a band billed as such, and I would probably go, even knowing damn well that DB is not involved, though it's too bad that they all can't just get together sometime and jam as they did for the Hawkestra event and just get along with one another, which I thought was the spirit of HW to begin with. Brings to mind Creedence Clearwater Revisited (Fogerty is fighting that one, though), various Gong incarnations, and lately, Greatful Dead members touring as "The Other Ones". Too bad that name has been taken. TC From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sun Aug 11 15:45:54 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:45:54 -0600 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Okay, so Ray Kroc's right hand man (who contributed hugely to "McDonald's" and its success) gets fed up, quits, and starts "xMcDonald's". That's acceptable? No, it's ridiculous and it's trademark infingement. "Papa John's" was started by an ex-"Pizza Hut" executive. Why didn't he call it "xPizza Hut"? I don't care if Nik's nickname was "Hawkwind". He gave up the right to use that name when he was fired from Hawkwind without taking the name with him--he should have sued then. Claiming the name years (decades) later is not right, and trading on the name Hawkwind while Hawkwind is alive and kicking is simply criminally malicious. I think it's fine to use a variation on the name Hawkwind, but it has to be different enough to CLEARLY distinguish it from the original. An "x" that is lost in the artwork doesn't cut it. For example, the "Mothers" minus Frank Zappa was not "xMothers", it was "Grandmothers". "Creedence Clearwater Revival" minus John Fogerty is not "xCreedence Clearwater Revival", it's "Creedence Clearwater Revisited". "Talking Heads" minus David Byrne is not "xTalking Heads", it's "Just Heads". It's worth noting that all these derivative band names came after the demise of the original. "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe" were sensible enough not to call themselves "xYes" while "Yes" was still (arguably) alive and kicking. Nik ought to get over it, pick a new name, and succeed or fail on his own merits, not on the reputation of a band he hasn't been associated with for years. I think "Wind of Change" might be a good choice. Guido f. rat wrote: >Bryan Young wrote: > >>f rat wrote: >> > >>>Personally, I think Dave should grow up a little, after all XHawkwind >>>perfectly describes the state of the musicians (nothing derogatory >>>intended) inasmuch as it seems they have all been at one time or >>>another, members of the great Hawkwind crew. >>> >>I guess if I worked at McDonalds for a few years, then I could open a >>restaurant called xMcDonalds and sell xBig xMacs, too. And tell Ronald >>McDonald to grow up for having a problem with it. And there's thousands of >>xMcDonald's workers who would probably join my cause and offer me verbal >>support. That should make it right! >> > >I think a few more people have worked in McDonalds over the years and >made a wee bit less of a contribution individually to the whole >"concept" of McDonalds than ex-members of Hawkwind such as Uncle Nik >have to the band. > >F. Rat > > Question those motives -- imagine including a guy just because he gives >you > >>another bullet in your gun, and not because of any musical merits. And then >>see who's holding the gun, and it's Nik, isn't it? >> > >Somewhat gruesome and I fear a little Paranoid imagery coming across >here Bryan. > >F. Rat > >>And why do you tell Dave to get busy with songwriting? I agree that I want >>a new album that is better than the last few, but how much energy has Nik >>put into songwriting lately? When will you ever get a new song from the >>xHawkwind crew? I think that if you want new material, then you'd be >>arguing for Nik to end this debacle so that Dave can get on with what he >>does best and what he's done for the past 33 years -- creating music. >>Dave's creative output over the last 20 years makes Nik's output from the >>same time period seem awful insignificant indeed. >> >>>and the musical excellence we all know and love. The fact they still >>> >>Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris Tait's >>book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady rhythm, so they >>added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had two drummers for >>awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry Ollis in the band, as >>he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has ever had, and that will >>continue the fine tradition of musical excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) >> > >Like whoa yerself dude, where's the humour - an integral part of the >Hawkwind "ethos" wouldn't cha say (Flying Doctor, Quark Strangeness & >Charm, Needle Gun, Reefer Madness etc etc etc b;laah b;laah etc) > >F. Rat > > >>Now, before I close, how about a fictional scenario? I'll assume that you >>know your Motorhead lore, and let me make a parallel if I may: >> >>It's apparent that Fast Eddie has no career anymore. He had a moment with >>Fastway, but that's in the past. >>So here's the fiction: Suppose Fast Eddie starts up a Motorhead band. >>That's the one name that will allow him to get a gig. And he could get any >> > >But shurely that's "Motorhead" NOT "XMotorhead". > >If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title >XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - >like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin >with a different letter and have a different number of characters in >them. > >When Hawkwind start dumbing down that's a sign to get worried I think - >not known for having a thick fanbase I believe!!! > >F. Rat > > > >>Peace and Hawkwind, and lots of Motorhead! And to the author, F. Rat, I >>meant nothing personal to you, but I did feel compelled to address several >>key points of your argument, and I hope that this was constructive. >> >>Bryan Young >>Saskatchewan, Canada >> > >Okay Bryan thanks for your comments but my point is that Dave seems to >be losing his sense of humour over this a little, however (grin, grin) >it makes me wonder whether the whole furore is in fact a publicity >raising exercise which will in the long run benefit both camps. Cynic I >may be but I'm sure Nik and Dave are no strangers to playing "fast and >dirty" the odd time. > >Pax Vobiscum Motorus Maximus > >F. Rat. > > >>>Pax vocum ballisticum >>> >>>F. Rat >>> >>>P.S. May I still direct readers to >>> >>>http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat >>> >>>for my cover of Motorhead, entirely recorded on my humble PC and a >>>couple of toons of my own. >>> > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 16:34:41 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:34:41 +0100 Subject: Terry Ollis in BBC Classical Music Mag Message-ID: There is a feature in this months mag (September 2002) which compares the learning methods of rock and classical musicians. Terry was interviewd: "Terry Ollis, founder member of the British cult psychedelic band Hawkwind in the late Sixties, described his relationship to the music as "almost a spiritual thing... I believed - I think we all did really - totally in what we were doing, absolutely. I mean I alway remenber if I had died at the point, at any time when I was playing, I couldnn't have died doing anything better; I'd have been completely fulfilled, if you like, doing my utmost for something Ibelieved in"". That's it - no photos. There is no truth in the rumour that Nik and the "Master of Puppets" Chris Hewitt is trying to start a tour xBBC Symphony Orchestra featuring ......(sorry couldn't resist it) Dave From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Aug 11 17:22:29 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:22:29 -0500 Subject: HW: MUSIC Message-ID: It would be nice to actually read some messages about Hawkwind Music for a change. Last time I looked this wasn't globalwarfare-l, it's boc-l. Lets leave the politics and get back to the music. Is anyone going to buy Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe, when it comes out on Tuesday, if so let us know how digital the remastering is ;-) and whether it's any better than all the thousand other releases of SR VOL 2. Rich W From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Aug 11 17:25:49 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:25:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: How old is BOC-L? Message-ID: Just out of interest, how old is boc-l? I've been on boc-l on and off for years now, and there are many people still around, who were around in those ancient times (Mike and Jill ;-) But actually how old is the list? Rich W From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 17:32:23 2002 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:32:23 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <3D564F8C.46D01F7C@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: > > > > Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality it is ex members it CAN cause problems. > > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans > notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). All the advertising I seen for Guildford said it was Hawkwind playing, not XHawkwind. It was only because Guildford was the same weekend as the Hawkwind Festival that I guessed who it really was, but I wasn't completely sure until I seen the announcement about it on Mission Control. Jas. From grodog at PACBELL.NET Sun Aug 11 18:47:23 2002 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:47:23 -0700 Subject: OFF: How old is BOC-L? Message-ID: Rich Warren wrote: > I've been on boc-l on and off for years now, and there are many > people still around, who were around in those ancient times (Mike > and Jill ;-) > But actually how old is the list? Rich, I've been around on and off too since about '93-4, and I had the impression then that the list was at least 2-3 years old (and/or that some people had already known each other for years from the HW collecting circuit). That said, I don't really have an answer for you, just that impression :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it. -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 18:49:15 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:49:15 +0100 Subject: HW: MUSIC Message-ID: I wonder if hawkwind and dave brock are aware of this release? cheers colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" It would be nice to actually read some messages about Hawkwind Music for a change. Last time I looked this wasn't globalwarfare-l, it's boc-l. Lets leave the politics and get back to the music. Is anyone going to buy Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe, when it comes out on Tuesday, if so let us know how digital the remastering is ;-) and whether it's any better than all the thousand other releases of SR VOL 2. Rich W From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 11 18:45:56 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:45:56 +0100 Subject: Public service announcement - Warrior on the edge of time CD Spotted in Camden Town Message-ID: Theres whats looks to be a copy of the warrior cd (dojo version) in very good condition in the record and tape exchange shop in camden town. I saw it there today when i was wandering around. Just thought any one that was looking for a copy of it on cd and lives in london might be interested in this. Oh btw it was being sold for 15 quid. Which is a lot cheaper than you can some times pay on ebay. I would have bought it but i have the dojo version already. If it was the griffin one then that would have been another story..... cheers Colm McWilliams From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Aug 11 18:52:00 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:52:00 -0400 Subject: MUSIC Message-ID: HI Rich, Are you sure thats what that is? If its remastered it may have some bonus tracks. In that case I'd get it anyways. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: HW: MUSIC It would be nice to actually read some messages about Hawkwind Music for a change. Last time I looked this wasn't globalwarfare-l, it's boc-l. Lets leave the politics and get back to the music. Is anyone going to buy Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe, when it comes out on Tuesday, if so let us know how digital the remastering is ;-) and whether it's any better than all the thousand other releases of SR VOL 2. Rich W From senator at PFENNIG.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sun Aug 11 19:31:11 2002 From: senator at PFENNIG.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:31:11 -0700 Subject: OFF: How old is BOC-L?/Paging Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <001101c2417d$aa4289c0$6bacacac@b> from "Rich Warren" at Aug 11, 2002 04:25:49 PM Message-ID: > Just out of interest, how old is boc-l? > > I've been on boc-l on and off for years now, and there are many people = > still around, who were around in those ancient times (Mike and Jill ;-) > > But actually how old is the list? > > Rich W That depends on how you define it. IIRC it was originally "imaginative rock" before narrowing down to HW/BOC around '90 when I joined. Steve Swann is the one who started it, but I haven't seen him around for a while. He could give the definative answer if he's lurking... Bill From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 00:47:07 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:47:07 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:16:29 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi ya, > > > So - FUCK ALL THIS SHIt > > Lets drop some acid and try to find stonehenge > > dont be late > > So where is the good stuff? not seen postage stamp sized white > lightening for a very looooong time now. And still awaiting the return > of the fungal entities from the alternate reality. > > Chris Directions to the land of merry trips. After a few days of drizzly rain (easy in UK:) Locate a cow pat covered in funky fungus. Make that your lunch. Mediatate quitely for a spell then follow the rainbow to its end. There you will find a pot of the best most pure tabs, dots n vials of you know what :)) Just watch out for the wee little people. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 00:53:31 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:53:31 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Fans would know - but there are plenty out there who would be easily mistaken and that would reflect poorly on the real deal(Hawkwind) especially if the xhawkwind had a bad night. Niche! In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:53:55 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > > Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality it is ex members it CAN cause problems. > > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans > notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). > > Mark (fatrat) Forster > > > > So - FUCK ALL THIS SHIt > > Lets drop some acid and try to find stonehenge > > dont be late > > Yeah okay, I can sympathise with that!!!!!!!!! > > > > In a message dated Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:33:48 AEDT, Chris writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Yes its depressing when it gets to this stage but it seems to me Dave > > > Brock started it all by getting all meglomaniac and hung up over > > > nothing. My guess is he can end it all very easily by chilling out and > > > getting back with the Spirit. > > > > > > Chris > > At last someone who agrees with me!!! Hi Chris, how's yer linux? > > F. Rat From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 02:24:15 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:24:15 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: This also reminded me of something. There is an Aussie space rock forum I recently joined. I mentioned the Hawkwind summer camp for passport holders and everyone who commented on that thought it was the Guilford gig!! So obviously some fans can be misled and not due to any lack of intelligence on their own part. I'm sure by now we all have an idea of how information by word of mouth can change as it is passed thru the grapevine from person to person. Michael In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:31:29 AEDT, Jason Gool writes: > > > > > > Ahhhhh - but when fans and potential fans buy tickets thinking they are seeing the legendary Hawkwind in action - but in reality it is ex members it CAN cause problems. > > > > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans > > notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). > > All the advertising I seen for Guildford said it was Hawkwind playing, > not XHawkwind. It was only because Guildford was the same > weekend as the Hawkwind Festival that I guessed who it really was, > but I wasn't completely sure until I seen the announcement about it > on Mission Control. > > Jas. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 02:57:43 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:57:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Space/Psyche/Kraut/Prog For Sale Message-ID: Next batch...ALL VINYL!!!! (It's very painful parting w/some of this stuff, but that's my problem ) If you think any prices are unreasonable, let me know and we'll "talk it over"... All titles US, unless otherwise noted (or unless I couldn't tell) Cover grade 1st/Sound grade 2nd $4.00 postage for 4 records, $.25 each additional HAWKWIND-- "Hawkwind" United Artists UAS-5519 '70, ring-wear VG++/VG++ $7 HAWKWIND-- "In Search of Space" United Artists UAS-5567 '71, spiffy "fence-fold", "Hawkwind Log" booklet, ring/spine-wear, sticker w/previous owner's name on back cover, promo punch-hole VG+/VG++ $12 HAWKWIND-- "Doremi Fasol Latido" United Artists UA-LA001-F '72, spine-wear VG+/EX $10 HAWKWIND-- "Space Ritual Alive" United Artists UA-LA120-H2 '73, Double-LP monster "fence-fold", promo-chop left-lower corner, ring/spine-wear VG+/VG+ $15 HAWKWIND-- "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" UA LA-328-6 '74 Vg/Vg+ $7 HAWKWIND-- "Warrior on the Edge of Time" White-Label Promo of Atco re-issue SD-36-115, promo saw-cut, "DJ sticker" front cover, some spine/corner-wear VG+/EX $12 HAWKWIND-- "Roadhawks" United Artists UAK-29919 '76, UK, gatefold, ring-wear, pretty bad spine-wear VG/VG+ $9 (I'll never forget you, Jill) HAWKWIND-- "Astounding Sound, Amazing Music" Charisma CHC-14 '76, UK VG++/VG++ $9 HAWKWIND-- PXR 5, Charisma Aus.'79, gov't warning, no sticker, ring-wear and Spine-wear, EX/M- $7 HAWKWIND-- PXR 5, Charisma UK '84, no sticker/warning VG+/M- $7 HAWKLORDS-- 25 Years On, Charisma 0798 '78 Vg/Ex, White-label promo (but then they all seem to be...), promo stamp on back cover, Ringwear $8 HAWKWIND--Quark, Strangeness & Charm, Charisma 9124012 '77 Vg+/Ex, AUSTRALIAN, RW $8 HAWKWIND-- "Quark..." Sire SRK-6047 '77, orig. wrapping still on but has been played M-/M- $10 HAWKWIND-- "Levitation" Bronze 202-997-320, German, some spine-wear, VG++/EX $10 HAWKWIND-- "Text of Festival" Illuminated JAMS-29 '83, Double-LP, spine-wear, VG+/VG++ $12 HAWKWIND-- "Assassins of Allah" Bootleg LP pressing of 300 (recordings from '72, '86 and '87) EX/VG++ $18 ROBERT CALVERT-- Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters, BGO '74 gatefold ring-wear, spine-wear, some ticking, sticker-tear on back cover, promo punch-hole lower-right front cover $7 ROBERT CALVERT-- "Lucky Leif and the Longships" United Artists UAG-29852 '75 gatefold, except for a bit of spine-creasing, cover is Mint, Sound: EX $10 STEVE SWINDELLS-- Fresh Blood, Atco '80, promo punch-hole upper-right cover, ring-wear, creasing, M- sound $5 AMON DUUL II-- "Yeti" Liberty/United Artists Germany LBS-83-359/60, date?, Double LP gatefold VG++/VG++ $18 AMON DUUL II-- "Dance of the Lemmings" cover (only one of two LP's included, you must really want the spiffy gatefold cover...which is only VG really...) UA U.S.A. -71 $2 AMON DUUL II-- "Carnival in Babylon" UA U.S.A. 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You know, the people who might think to themselves "Oh, they changed theie name to The Hawkwlords once before". After all, what chance have you got of finding much Hawkwind news in the media these days. Personally, I just wish that everybody could be hit hit by the PEACEBOLT and then shake hands and get back to playing music. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans > notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). > > Mark (fatrat) Forster > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Aug 12 04:59:48 2002 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:59:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors world touring Message-ID: Daevid Allen's University Of Errors Touring Lecture Series History Year 2002 August 18-Progman Cometh Music Festival, Moore Theater, Seattle, Wa DA's UofE with Kevin Ayers (Seattle festival only) August 22- - I-Spy 1921 5th Ave, Seattle, Wa. with Guru & Zero August 24- Egg Lake Music Faire - Friday Harbor, Washington (on San Juan Island) with Guru & Zero, Damo Suzuki, Richard Sinclair August 29- live Radio Broadcast KFJC Sept. 3- Starry Plough Berkeley EUROPE: Sept. 9- France Paris - Nouveau Casino Sept. 10- Belgium Verviers - Spirit of 66 Sept. 12- Norway Kristiansand - Vaskeriet Sept. 13- Norway Kristiansand Artsnight Sept. 14- Norway Stavanger - Checkpoint Charlie Sept. 15- Norway Bergen - Garage Sept. 17- Norway Trondheim Sept. 18- Norway Oslo So What Sept. 20- Denmark Odense Rytmeposten Sept. 21- Denmark Copenhagen Loppen UK Sept. 28 - UK, Glastonbury - Assembly Rooms. UK - supporting The Electric Prunes Oct. 1 - UK, Bristol - The Fleece. Oct. 2 - UK, Southampton - The Brook. Oct. 4 - UK, Manchester - University. Oct. 5 - UK, Scotland TBA Oct. 6 - UK, Wolverhampton - Robin 2. Oct. 7 - UK, Brighton - Concorde 2. UK Oct. 8- UK, London - The Garage. Faculty - Daevid Allen, Josh Pollock, Michael Clare, Warren Huegel From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 12 05:27:11 2002 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:27:11 +0000 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Extremely well put! In my opinion, Nik's creative ability disappeared after the release of 'Xitintoday' >From: Nick Medford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:47 +0100 > >In message <001901c23fd8$7db20620$f064073e at oemcomputer>, >Mark Von Bargen writes > >First reaction is that this is so sad. I will have to read it several >times > >before I can fully understand what is really being said within the note. > >It doesn't seem like the Hewitt/OZ-IT style, it is too far over the edge > >with emotion and invective. It seems more like the work of a crazed >lunatic > >who wants to start a fight. > >Indeed. Much of it is actually irrelevant to the issues at stake e.g. the >fact >that "XHawkwind" drew a good crowd at Glasto- bully for them, but >what's the relevance of that? Much of the message is just thinly-disguised >advertising for XHawkwind, or spaceritual.net or whatever they're >calling themselves now. > > >Whoever has written the note that Mike received should really have the > >courage to identify themselves but I don't think that it will happen. > >Of course the Moorcock messages are transcripts of spoken conversations - > >Not sure about that actually. The second one might be, but the first one >doesn't have the "feel" of a spoken conversation, it reads like a letter. > >Thoughts, for what they're worth if anything- I suppose the issues here >divide into the Artistic and the Financial. As far as the Artistic goes, I >don't think Nik has a leg to stand on. He wrote a handful of great HW >songs a very long time ago, and he did some good work with ICU more >recently- but still a long time ago. But ever since then he has survived by >guesting with minor space bands and putting together "XHawkwind" and >rehashing the same set of old HW songs over and over. He's shown >absolutely no sign of having the wherewithal to do anything really new >or to move on with his life, for years now. > >Meanwhile Dave Brock has kept HW afloat all this time, and had he not >done so there'd be no Hawkwind legend for Nik and co. to exploit. Nik >hugely exaggerates his own role in HW, claiming to have been the >founder, the spokesman, the "conscience" and guiding spirit, and all- >round counter-cultural guru, hero and saint. I don't doubt that there was >a >time when Nik had a strong role in the band's ethos, but he has never >been a major creative force in the band, a handful of great tracks >notwithstanding. The strongest impression that comes across is that Nik, >and maybe certain others, are intensely jealous of Dave and the rest of >the current line-up. Maybe because Dave has the talent, determination >and self-discipline that Nik so blatantly lacks these days. It does make >me really sad to see the once mighty Thunder Rider reduced to this. I >fully agree with Colm that it's become nauseating to see Nik Turner >constantly invoking the "spirit of HW" and the names of people who are >no longer with us, when in the end this is mainly about money. > >Moorcock's comments are pretty unconvincing too- re. Dave putting >together new line-ups: fluid line-ups, with new people coming in and old >hands returning intermittently- have been part of HW ever since its >inception, indeed Moorcock himself would never have been involved >were this not the case. Also, I think many people who have received >XHawkwind flyers and publicity would dispute the claim that there >hasn't been a deliberate attempt to pass the band off as HW. I personally >feel that material I received was deliberately ambiguous in this regard, >but I accept that's a subjective view that can't be proved either way. > >It remains to be seen whether Lemmy is really siding with Nik- his >comments in the recent Record Collector HW feature suggest he's not >overly sympathetic to Nik, but we'll see. > >OK, so that's the Artistic. As far as the Financial goes, we all know there >are a welter of dodgy HW comps and live albums on the market. My >impression is that many of these emanate from Nik and Dave Anderson, >although Nik claims that royalties are paid out to all who merit them on >these releases. He seems to be saying that there are other albums- maybe >the Weird CDs, maybe more recent live albums like "Business Trip" and >"Yule Ritual", I really don't know what he's referring to- where royalties >aren't going to those who should get them. None of us really know >whether this is true, so maybe we should refrain from comment on that >part. What we *do* know, though, is that writing credits on some albums >have been changed, seemingly to favour Brock and other current >members, and I must admit, I have always wondered what is going on >there. Maybe there is an innocent explanation, I really don't know. > >Actually, I don't doubt that Dave Brock can be completely ruthless when >he deems it necessary. And I have no problem with that. Were it not so, >HW would have imploded about 28 years ago. > >Just out of interest, how can Mick Slattery be pursuing Dave for non- >payment of royalties? Does he actually appear on any HW releases? > >All in all, another sorry saga. At least this one's on-topic. Hope they >sort >it out, preferably in private- the tactic of spamming fans anonymously >strikes me as desperate and underhand, and if Nik think he's gonna win >over the fanbase by doing so, I suspect he's in for a nasty shock. > >Nick > > > >> --- Start of Forwarded Text --- > >> > >> Press Release 08/08/2002 "without prejudice". > >> > >> Original Hawkwind members including Lemmy from Motorhead, > >> science-fiction writer Mike Moorcock[see message from mike moorcock to > >> hawkwind fans further down], Nik Turner and a score of others line up >in > >> court case against Dave Brock - About Brock's Destruction of the > >> Hawkwind Reputation and Brock's issuing of cd albums featuring early > >> members of Hawkwind and not paying royalties to or seeking permission >of > >> those "Golden Years Of Hawkwind" members. > >> > >> It started at Glastonbury Festival 2002- Thursday 27th June 2002 Nik > >> Turner and his eight month old band Xhawkwind.com [now had to change it > >> temporarily to spaceritual.net] (Featuring original members from the > >> 1970's: - Mick Slattery - Guitar, Thomas Crimble - Bass, Terry Ollis - > >> Drums,[the band also often features other original 70s members Del > >> Dettmar noise generators/synths, Dave Anderson - Bass + Guitar and Ron > >> Tree- 90's Hawkwind member - Bass + Poetry/Vocals) are just sound > >> checking as the first band to play on a stage at Glastonbury 2002[they > >> played in a big top crammed with around 1000 people and more were > >> listening outside the big top] and Nik receives an injunction from Dave > >> Brock trying to force Nik not to use any variation of the word Hawkwind > >> - Niks original Nickname from before the band was called that!!!!!. > >> > >> Dave Brock also bombarded the internet asking people to ask for their > >> ticket money back if they had bought tickets thinking it was Hawkwind >at > >> Guildford Festival and not Nik Turner's XHawkwind.com-after the > >> Guildford Festival had finished a journalist rang up Guildford Festival > >> and asked how many people had asked for refunds because XHawkwind.com > >> had been substituted for Hawkwind [owing to Dave Brock insisting on >more > >> costs to the Festival as the event drew nearer]THE TOTAL NUMBER OF > >> PEOPLE WHO ASKED GUILFORD FESTIVAL FOR A REFUND ON > >THEIR TICKETS AS PER > >> DAVE BROCK'S MASSIVE INTERNET CAMPAIGN WAS - > >NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> By the 5th of August 2002 this had turned into a legal battle between > >> all the Hawkwind 70's Stalwarts on one side and Dave Brock (Who had > >> registered Hawkwind as a trade mark without telling all the golden >years > >> members of the band) so the following ex- Hawkwind members are now > >> pursuing Dave Brock about "Dave Brock "Related" Bootlegs" and > >> non-payments of royalties: > >> > >> Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney > >> Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve > >> Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, > >> Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar. > >> > >> Space Ritual.Net Featuring Original Ex-Hawkwind members > >> > >> Nik Turner-sax,flute,vocals, Terry Ollis-drums,Thomas Crimble-bass > >> guitar,Dave Anderson-bass guitar and guitar,Mick Slattery-guitar plus > >> various special guests appear at Canterbury > >> Festival[www.canterburyfayre.com] on Friday 23rd August 5pm also on >that > >> day are Ozric Tentacles ,Fish,and Kevin Ayers > >> > >> For those of you who missed this band at Glastonbury or Guildford > >> Festivals in the last month or two or who are disappointed at Dave > >> Brock's Hawkwind pulling their gig at War Of The Worlds Heaton Park > >> Manchester here is an opportunity to see a band of Ex-Hawkwind members > >> performing classic Hawkwind material at a great festival. For more >info > >> on Canterbury Fayre visit their website at www.canterburyfayre.com > >> Please note the band "Space Ritual.Net" is not Dave Brock's Hawkwind >but > >> does create on stage the spirit of the 70's Hawkwind ethos and invokes > >> the spirit of Barney Bubbles and Robert Calvert. > >> > >> Also a fund raising benefit for the legal action by Nik Turner is to be > >> held on Friday 8th November at the Mean Fiddler Charing Cross Road > >> London. Doors open at 7pm and will feature Space Ritual.Net and ex > >> members of Hawkwind and members of the Hawkestra and Inner City Unit > >and > >> Tractor plus compere mothership control Andy Dunkley and other special > >> guests to be announced .the event is to be known as one of the >legendary > >> Greasy Truckers Party. In fact it is the 30th anniversary Greasy >Truckers > >> Party. > >> > >> >> Messages from Michael Moorcock about the dispute with Dave Brock > >> >> [said"without prejudice"]: > >> > >> >> This is to confirm that I have not received any royalties or >payments > >> >> from any of the Hawkwind albums issued by Dave Brock. It has been > >> >> very obvious for some years that Dave has, wherever possible, >removed > >> >> the work of writers like myself and Bob Calvert from reissued albums > >> >> and has generally behaved in a an unethical way. While I have been > >> >> generally silent on these matters, since I have respected the >idealism > >> >> of the fans, for instance, it has been obvious for many years that > >> >> Dave has been as it were feathering his own nest at the expense of >the > >> >> other members of the band, especially the best known members of > >> >> Hawkwind. He has continued to put bands together which he has >called > >> >> 'Hawkwind' which are in fact only him and various new musicians > >> >> (though I know this has not always been the case) and has clearly >run > >> >> the band as his own property, without reference to other founder > >> >> members or, indeed, holders of copyright material. The reason I am > >> >> speaking now is because I believe Dave has behaved unethically in > >> >> bringing an injunction against you for using the name xhawkwind -- > >> >> which, it is well known, is not an attempt to pose as Hawkwind but >to > >> >> let audiences know that a band comprised of many ex-members of the > >> >> band, several of whom I have worked with, is making an appearance. > >> >> Given Dave's own behaviour in these matters, I write to assure that > >> >> any kind words I might have used many years ago about Dave Brock are > >> >> no longer verified by his more recent actions. Please use this >letter > >> >> however it suits you and, should you need further help or >confirmation > >> >> in this matter, please let me know how I can help. > >> > >> >> With all best wishes, > >> > >> >> Mike Moorcock > >> > >> > >> >> 2nd message from Mike Moorcock "Without Prejudice"To Nik Turner and > >> >> The Xhawkwind members: > >> > >> >> Fuck Dave, then. He'd sent me something to do with him, a record >for > >> >> some lyrics, but he can fuck himself. You know that I'll always >side > >> >> with you when things get to this point. If you want to include me >in > >> >> the band formerly known as xhawkwind.com/spaceritual.net as some >sort > >> >> of member. Whatever you think, pard. I have not just extolled >Dave's > >> >> virtues. I've said elsewhere that he was manipulative and greedy. >So > >> >> you can always pull those references, should it go that way. Sod >the > >> >> bastard. He has also, of course, removed almost everything by me >and > >> >> Calvert from reissues, Seems wicked to pull Calvert, Bottom line is > >> >> pard, if it's between you[Nik Turner] and Dave Brock- Mr Greed, I'm >on > >> >> your side Nik. > >> > >> >> Mike Moorcock > >> > >> --- End of Forwarded Text --- > >> > >-- >Nick Medford _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 06:59:07 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Fw: Motorhead & Guest @ Wembley Message-ID: Forwarded for those who may be interested. Went on sale about an hour ago I believe. Surprised Motorhead think they can fill Wembley. And I`d hate to hink what the sound will be like! Si -------- Subject: Motorhead & Guest @ Wembley MOTORHEAD WITH ANTHRAX @ Wembley Arena Date: 19th October 2002 Tickets: on sale now SEATED & STANDING TICKETS AVAILABLE Price: ?22.50 Box Office: 0870 739 7300 Book now to avoid disappointment! www.whatsonwembley.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 07:47:43 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:47:43 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:47 +0100 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > Indeed. Much of it is actually irrelevant to the issues at stake e.g. > the fact that "XHawkwind" drew a good crowd at Glasto- bully for them, To be fair: it was the Thursday night of a festival which officially starts Friday morning and so there was very little going on bandwise. >From what I could hear of it from outside though, it was a good show. > >Whoever has written the note that Mike received should really have > >the courage to identify themselves but I don't think that it will > >happen. Of course the Moorcock messages are transcripts of spoken > >conversations - I'd reserve judgement on that until Moorcock has confirmed it. However it does match what I know of Moorcock's views on these things in past disputes. The one worry I'd have is that these might in fact be transcripts of conversations in those past disputes, rather than the current one. People with an axe to grind do, in my experience, have a tendency not to tell the whole truth. > Thoughts, for what they're worth if anything- I suppose the issues > here divide into the Artistic and the Financial. As far as the > Artistic goes, I don't think Nik has a leg to stand on. He wrote a > handful of great HW songs a very long time ago, and he did some good > work with ICU more recently- but still a long time ago. But ever > since then he has survived by guesting with minor space bands and > putting together "XHawkwind" and rehashing the same set of old HW > songs over and over. He's shown absolutely no sign of having the > wherewithal to do anything really new or to move on with his life, for > years now. Whenever I've met Nik, I've liked the guy. It's also clear from his work with many bands and festivals that he still has a lot of energy. He also seems to be pretty good at organisation where getting various ex-hawks together is concerned. On the flipside, whenever he's been recalled to Hawkwind, he seems to get bored and rebellious, reintroducing his rock-circus act and pissing everyone off. Then when he's out, he competes with alternate bands such as Kittyhawks, Pinkwind and Ex-Hawkwind. This inevitably leads to arguments about rights and money. He reminds me of the guy in The Experiment who wanted to fuck up the whole jail and then once he'd changed the regime and was part of it, got bored and brought that crashing down too. Either that or there's just something personal going on with Nik where Dave is concerned. > All in all, another sorry saga. At least this one's on-topic. Hope > they sort it out, preferably in private- the tactic of spamming fans > anonymously strikes me as desperate and underhand, and if Nik think > he's gonna win over the fanbase by doing so, I suspect he's in for a > nasty shock. I think the worst aspect of this has been the apparent attempt to split the fanbase across the warring factions. As far as rights to money goes, that depends on what's in contracts and it's something for the lawyers to argue over. I dislike the idea of money that could be used putting on festivals or producing music will be fed instead to lawyers, but I accept that it's part and parcel of the music business. On the other hand, there's no getting around the fact that the real jury out there is us. We're the guys who go out and buy records and who travel a long way to go to gigs and festivals. We supply the money and support that's being argued over and in the end, our opinion matters. I for one am not impressed by receiving email badmouthing people. Brock, by and large has avoided washing that kind of laundry in front of us and seems to have quietly pursued this through the Courts. To the extent that I'll choose sides, I'll do it in my usual way: by buying what's on offer that I want. In that light, I've been a completist collector. There's one time when I wasn't, and then relented and caught up: that was in 1987 when Dave Anderson was repeating compilation after compilation where 12 tracks were selected out of the same 18 for each. He doesn't even bother with that anymore and blithely releases renamed copy after copy of Yuri Gagarin, Space Ritual II and Text of Festival. On one occasion he even released a package of 4 CDs, two of which were identical. If that's not taking us collectors for granted, it's hard to imagine what more could be done. So now I don't bother with the latest renaming of any of these albums (or at least I'm doing quite well so far in resisting it). The other thing I don't bother with, post my buying of the Rock Oddyssey 2001 CD, is all of the stuff that Nik puts out. If it's Anubian Lights, where Nik is at least producing new stuff, then I consider it and usually buy. If it's yet another release of Pinkwind Festival at Bluugwerweryyapoughtdale which sounds like it was recorded on an old tape deck in a biscuit tin located in a mineshaft, after which a dog chewed the tape, then I don't bother. So it's becoming pretty clear where my voting Dollars are going. That said, Nik has managed to put together some of the good guys from the old days. Seems to me that he should just call them "Brainstorm" and get on with it. If they produce good music then I'll buy it and take in some gigs. It seems to me that this would be a better use of our money than trying to sue Brock for the name "Hawkwind". If Nik is really trying to get a benefit going to get money for such a Court case, then that's not an objective that I want to donate to. If that's "The Spirit of Hawkwind" then I'm Rumpole of the Bailey. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 08:16:14 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:16:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: Bryan Young's message of Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:55:16 -0600 Message-ID: Bryan Young writes: > Why hasn't one person asked why Thomas Crimble is in this? Is he such > a magnificent bass player that he had to be included? Is he absolutely > synonomous with Nik Turner, having worked alongside him in Hawkwind, > Inner City Unit, Nik's All-Stars, etc? Or is he just a so-so musician > who Nik can live with ONLY BECAUSE HE LENDS CREDIBILITY to the > xHawkwind claim? > Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris > Tait's book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady > rhythm, so they added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had > two drummers for awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry > Ollis in the band, as he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has > ever had, and that will continue the fine tradition of musical > excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) Could we just avoid this kind of slagging off of Thom and Terry? They seem to be reasonable guys and were the high spot of what I've seen of Nik's band. As far as I can tell they've offered no attacks themselves and therefore aren't fair game for this kind of criticism. > And if you look hard enough, you might even find Philthy somewhere. > Check the gutters, because Lemmy hinted that Philthy has restarted his > old career. This probably means he's peddling dope, but I'd bet he's > using more than he's selling, so he may even be dead now, with major > debts owing to his suppliers. It's so refreshing to see someone who isn't afraid of laywers. Why, you'd think the slander laws had been repealed! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 08:19:58 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:19:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: f. rat's message of Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:27:33 +0100 Message-ID: f. rat writes: > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > them. There are already legal precedents in such brand wars. Slight variations on spelling have been ruled as brand-stealing. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 08:23:28 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:23:28 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: f. rat's message of Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:50:36 +0100 Message-ID: f. rat writes: > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind What about the folks who know nothing about either band but pick up and XHawkwind CD that sounds like "2001". My bet is that when they saw a Hawkwind CD, they wouldn't be spending their money to discover whether or not the "X" was significant. FoFP From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Aug 12 08:30:59 2002 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:30:59 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 11 Aug 2002 to 12 Aug 2002 (#2002-231) Message-ID: > Subject: Re: OFF: How old is BOC-L?/Paging Steve Swann > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:31:11 -0700 > From: Bill Bradley > > > Just out of interest, how old is boc-l? > > > > I've been on boc-l on and off for years now, and there are many people = > > still around, who were around in those ancient times (Mike and Jill ;-) > > > > But actually how old is the list? > > > > Rich W > > That depends on how you define it. IIRC it was originally "imaginative > rock" before narrowing down to HW/BOC around '90 when I joined. Steve Swann is > the one who started it, but I haven't seen him around for a while. He could > give the definative answer if he's lurking... > In my archives, I found an old file of old BOC-L posts (that may still be on the BOC-l FTP server). The heading included the following quote by Steve Swann: "The Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List was formed on September 22, 1990, when I posted a message to alt.rock-n-roll and alt.rock-n-roll.metal, asking if anyone would be interested in joining a private discussion list devoted to the imaginitive rock music of Blue Oyster Cult. I started getting responses within the hour." So there ya go... John From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 08:43:02 2002 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:43:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <200208121219.NAA05456@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:19 12/08/02 +0100, you wrote: >f. rat writes: > > > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > > them. > Maybe I just know thick people ;-) A few people thought it was the Guildford fest I was going to when I was off to Devon a few weeks ago. Fact of the matter is that those without an in-depth knowledge of what's going on WILL get confused. Plus it'll be xHawkwind, note the lower-case x... too easy for people to get a dose of golden years as opposed to golden DECADES. Whose "golden" years anyway? Certainly not mine!! Nik plays on some of my fave HW albums, but the rest? Maybe it's their golden years 'cos it's the last time they did anything good, heh heh ;-) If I go to see Inner City Unit in november, will I be contributing money towards a case against one of fave bands ever?!! Ha ha, I'll stay at home then... Give me !CU over this xHawkwind lark anyday!! Dave > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 08:44:16 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:44:16 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:47:43 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Whenever I've met Nik, I've liked the guy. It's also clear from his work >with many bands and festivals that he still has a lot of energy. He also >seems to be pretty good at organisation where getting various ex-hawks >together is concerned. Yes, that's all very fair. I haven't met him but I'm sure he's a lovely bloke in many ways. And you're right in saying he's had numerous other projects, which I've had no problem supporting- I've been to see his Fantastic Allstars a few times for example. And one thing he will always deserve credit for is his role in the old free festivals. Problem is that none of these other projects allow him to make a good living apparently, which is why we get this kind of thing happening now. Anyway I don't think there's any point in speculating further until we have more facts. The accuracy of what we've been told so far is very questionable. I think Brock is taking the right approach by keeping quiet, at least until things are resolved in some way. Nick From stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 12 09:25:19 2002 From: stirzi at HOTMAIL.COM (Ian Stirzaker) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:25:19 +0000 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Having lurked on the list some time I feel moved to add my comments on the current situation. I saw Nik and his boys at Glasto this year. Now there is no getting away from the fact I enjoyed the gig enormously. I admit my brain was slightly muddled at the time ? hey it was Glastonbury! ? but I remember being surprised at how tight the band sounded. But lets face it Xhawkwind/Spaceritual just came on and jammed for 2 and a half hours, not that there is anything wrong with that - and this being the first time I?d seen them, It was a great trip. A perfect way to start a festival or a great one off night out, but there is nothing new to what they do, no innovation or creativity. As a one off Nik?s band are fantastic, but I suspect they are going to keep on re-hashing the same show ? how long they can get away with that is anyone?s guess and whether I would find a Xhawkwind/Spaceritual gig as enjoyable on the 5th or 6th hearing is doubtful. I remember Nik being somewhat emotional at the gig (not surprising since he?d just been presented with an injunction) and he did keep going on about how Dave was suing them and wouldn?t let them play any Brock numbers etc. etc. One thing I remember clearly though was Nik telling the crowd to write to the music press in support of him and - perhaps tellingly after the recent anonymous emails people have received - to email and post on Hawkwind message boards on the subject. It seems to me that the dispute has been running for many years, was greatly fuelled by the Hawkestra tapes debacle and has come to a head with Nik?s recent escapades. I don?t think Nik has any right to use the Hawkwind name but then I don?t agree with Dave using the courts to settle matters either! I find the whole saga too depressing to further comment on, from what I can see both parties have legitimate grounds to be pissed off with each other. Come on guys sort it out. With legal action taking place I can only see EVERYBODY being a loser ? Dave, Nik ,the too many to mention ex Hawks and the fans are all part of the same thing, the spirit we are all Hawkwind ? I thought that was the WHOLE POINT of it all, don?t tell me I have been labouring with such a misunderstanding all these years. The only good thing I can see at the moment is that Moorcock has said he will never work with Brock again - Hurray! ;o) - but maybe (trying desperately to be positive) this bust up has been going to happen for a long time now, so perhaps the boys can finally thrash something out and get back to what they do best. And Finally?.. I know Chris Hewitt and OZ-It are not exactly flavour of the month in these parts but I have to add a final (musical) note. Tractor/The Way We Live who played just before Nik?s boys at Glasto really were GREAT. Jim Milne and Steve Clayton put on a storming set, good work guys and good to see after all these years :o). Ian >From: Nick Medford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:44:16 -0400 > >On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:47:43 +0100, M Holmes >wrote: > > >Whenever I've met Nik, I've liked the guy. It's also clear from his work > >with many bands and festivals that he still has a lot of energy. He also > >seems to be pretty good at organisation where getting various ex-hawks > >together is concerned. > >Yes, that's all very fair. I haven't met him but I'm sure he's a lovely >bloke in many ways. And you're right in saying he's had numerous other >projects, which I've had no problem supporting- I've been to see his >Fantastic Allstars a few times for example. And one thing he will always >deserve credit for is his role in the old free festivals. > >Problem is that none of these other projects allow him to make a good >living apparently, which is why we get this kind of thing happening now. > >Anyway I don't think there's any point in speculating further until we have >more facts. The accuracy of what we've been told so far is very >questionable. I think Brock is taking the right approach by keeping quiet, >at least until things are resolved in some way. > >Nick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 09:12:19 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:12:19 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: > Whenever I've met Nik, I've liked the guy. I`ve been watching this with interest as, sad to say, I`ve always been facinated by behind the scenes stuff. To add my 2 cents, for what it`s worth. 1. Re: the above quote. I think it needs to be said that what is happening between Dave and Nik in court is between them. Both have always been freindly, chatty etc to fans. What ever legal decisions they may make, and however right or wrong people feel those decisions are, it isn`t likely to suddenly change that. It doesn`t make either bad people because they are doing what they feel is needed to protect/gain what they feel they have a right to. 2. Personally speaking, I can`t see how Nik can win the rights to the name Hawkwind. He left the band. Dave formed and has been there from day one. The name Hawkwind and Dave Brock are to many people the same thing. Dave IS Hawkwind. The band members are crew members, valued players all, but Dave is the Captain of the ship. Most Ex-members would I`m sure state the same. 3. Nik should have gone out under his own name years ago. Space Ritual, Brainstorm, what ever. I just can`t see what he hopes to gain from trying to destroy Hawkwind which is what the result would be if Dave lost. Hawkwind is a band that has progressed way beyond those first few albums. Nik is more often then not simple replaying 1971/2 over and over, as is his right, but that`s not progression or creative. Back to lurking now Si From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 10:03:32 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I have heard it mentioned in email on boc that Mike Moorcock has refused to work with Dave Brock again. I was under the impression that he was contributing to the new album? How about we await some official news before commenting further on the bands personal/legal state of affairs? We really don't know whats going on except from what was written in some unsigned email of potentialy unreliable source(s) Its not really achieving anything anyway.... From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 10:12:11 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:11 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: A very sensible suggestion Michael; as all this is still the subject of legal process the Hawks are, very sensibly, saying nothing until the case is resolved. Perhaps we should all do the same rather than reacting to what can only, at the moment, be conjecture, rumour, hearsay and propaganda. Colin On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT, Michael W Blackman wrote: >I have heard it mentioned in email on boc that Mike Moorcock has refused to work with Dave Brock again. I was under the impression that he was contributing to the new album? > >How about we await some official news before commenting further on the bands personal/legal state of affairs? >We really don't know whats going on except from what was written in some unsigned email of potentialy unreliable source(s) >Its not really achieving anything anyway.... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 11:22:07 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:22:07 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: [Re: suggestion to can it...] > A very sensible suggestion Michael; as all this is still the subject > of legal process the Hawks are, very sensibly, saying nothing until > the case is resolved. Perhaps we should all do the same rather than > reacting to what can only, at the moment, be conjecture, rumour, > hearsay and propaganda. That's fair enough, except that one side is trying to involve us directly by holding a "Benefit" to raise cash for the summoning up of lawyers. I think it's a reasonable topic of discussion as to whether we ought to persuade those who might attend to balance off any artistic merits against making contributions to such a purpose. Not that I'm suggesting a boycott of Nik's band. As I've mentioned, I saw them at Glastonbury. However, in this case any profits will go to attempting to gut Hawkwind of their very name, and the tenor of the recent spam indicates that any support is all too likely to be quoted as support by the fanbase for Nik's Court claims. In the case of this specific "Benefit" gig, I think conscience tells me that I have to personally stay away and furthermore encourage advocacy of others to do the same. I have a gut feeling that what's really at stake isn't just who carries the name. The real effect of removing "Hawkwind" from Dave would possibly go a lot further than that. I intensely dislike being put into a position where I effectively have to choose a side, but it seems to me that one faction has now put me into that corner. I'm therefore choosing my Masque. The simple fact is that there's no "Benefit" to me in what's being planned and I'll not only not contribute, I'll proselytise against doing so. I vote we don't go and we don't contribute. I very much doubt that the lawyers will starve. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Aug 12 11:32:56 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:32:56 +0800 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: I recall The Sweet having a similar problem years ago, when former lead vocalist Brian Connelly formed a band calling themselves The Sweet, & did a few gigs that confused quite a lot of people, including the promoters. I seem to recall that there was even problems with the band's performance, which caused The Sweet (the one that was already in existance before Brian Connelly's version) to lose quite a number of gigs, due to the bad reputation created by the other Sweet. In the end they reverted to the names Andy Scott's Sweet & Brian Connelly's Sweet. Even that wasn't the end, because after Brian Connelly died, his band started to call themselves The Sweet, but wer persuaded to use the name Sweet BC in the end. Now Andy Scott's Sweet have gone back to calling themselves Sweet. On the business of Nik's band, I liked the name that was used before of Space Ritual. I'm sure that would be making things obvious without confusing the fans? William > At 13:19 12/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > >f. rat writes: > > > > > If people are as Mr Brock states "likely to be confused" by the title > > > XHawkwind, maybe they didn't get any GC(S)Es in mathematics or English - > > > like not only are the two names spelled differently, they each begin > > > with a different letter and have a different number of characters in > > > them. > > > > Maybe I just know thick people ;-) A few people thought it was the > Guildford fest I was going to when I was off to Devon a few weeks ago. Fact > of the matter is that those without an in-depth knowledge of what's going > on WILL get confused. Plus it'll be xHawkwind, note the lower-case x... > too easy for people to get a dose of golden years as opposed to golden > DECADES. Whose "golden" years anyway? Certainly not mine!! Nik plays on > some of my fave HW albums, but the rest? Maybe it's their golden years > 'cos it's the last time they did anything good, heh heh ;-) > If I go to see Inner City Unit in november, will I be contributing money > towards a case against one of fave bands ever?!! Ha ha, I'll stay at home > then... Give me !CU over this xHawkwind lark anyday!! > > Dave > > > > > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Aug 12 11:52:17 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:52:17 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <002101c24215$88cb0c70$0e0b3bcb@xl5> Message-ID: On 12 Aug 2002, at 23:32, William Duffy wrote: > I recall The Sweet having a similar problem years ago, when former > lead vocalist Brian Connelly formed a band calling themselves The > Sweet, & did a few gigs that confused quite a lot of people, including > the promoters. I seem to recall that there was even problems with the > band's performance, which caused The Sweet (the one that was already > in existance before Brian Connelly's version) to lose quite a number > of gigs, due to the bad reputation created by the other Sweet. > > In the end they reverted to the names Andy Scott's Sweet & Brian > Connelly's Sweet. Even that wasn't the end, because after Brian > Connelly died, his band started to call themselves The Sweet, but wer > persuaded to use the name Sweet BC in the end. Now Andy Scott's Sweet > have gone back to calling themselves Sweet. > Didn't Foghat have a similar situation a while back? Roger Earl's Foghat and Lonesome Dave's Foghat. In their case, it was even worse because (I think) both bands were touring simultaneously! Looks like they got everything ironed out bet. them and eventually reformed as one band. Dave died last year so I guess it's ll in limbo nowadays... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 12:34:20 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:34:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:32:56 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > In the end they reverted to the names Andy Scott's Sweet & Brian > Connelly's Sweet. Even that wasn't the end, because after Brian > Connelly died, his band started to call themselves The Sweet, but wer > persuaded to use the name Sweet BC in the end. Now Andy Scott's Sweet > have gone back to calling themselves Sweet. Weirdly, as a kid, I was a fan of the Sweet, though this all obviously happened much later and passed me by. Maybe it's me? What's happening with Tangerine Dream these days? I was a big fan until 1989. Is that documentary on the Hawkwind Family Tree still happening? FoFP From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 12:58:45 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:58:45 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT, Michael W Blackman wrote: >We really don't know whats going on Very true. On a whim I just typed "www.spaceritual.net" into the browser and up came Nik's site. Maybe everyone else has already seen this, it hadn't occurred to me to look at the site until just now. Oddest thing is that you also get a pop-up window inluding the same message that Mike H forwarded to boc-l at the start of this thread , along with the disclaimer: "Please note that this press release is independent from Spaceritual.net and does not necessarily reflect the views of Spaceritual.net" What??? If it's independent from them why does it appear- albeit on a pop- up with a different URL- when you access their site? How "independent" does that seem? I presume it's not independent from them at all, but they felt they'd better have a disclainmer in case it caused further legal trouble. Which just makes their whole position look even dodgier. Apologies if this just further pointless speculation, but OTOH Mike is quite right to say that someone out there is trying to force us to take sides and vote with our feet (well, with our cash to be precise). At the moment I'm leaning to one side so heavily, I'm about to fall over. I actually wish I didn't care and feel slightly irritated with myself to find that I do. That's what being a fan for the last 19 years (not as long as some here I know, but more than half my life) will do to you I suppose. Nick From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 12:57:18 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:57:18 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I quite take your point. Personally I probably wouldn't be too aggrieved to turn up to XHawkwind thinking they were "the real thing" (whatever that is I mean c'mon they probly get so spaced before gigs Dave can't tell himself from an implementation of Nik or even DikMik in the first place!!!!) Mark Von Bargen wrote: > > I think the worry is about the fans who don't subscribe to lists like this > and the more casual observers. You know, the people who might think to > themselves "Oh, they changed theie name to The Hawkwlords once before". > After all, what chance have you got of finding much Hawkwind news in the > media these days. > > Personally, I just wish that everybody could be hit hit by the PEACEBOLT and > then shake hands and get back to playing music. > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "f. rat" > > > But like I say, how stupid do we the fans have to be to not notice the > > difference between Hawkwind and XHawkwind (dyslexic fans > > notwithstanding, oh and btw why is that word so difficult to spell??). > > > > Mark (fatrat) Forster > > > > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 12:58:35 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:58:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: But Guido, X is such a spacey letter I think it's just groovy!!!! From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Aug 12 13:09:51 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: MUSIC Message-ID: They're saying no bonuses...exactly the same listing as SR VOL 2 Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: MUSIC > HI Rich, Are you sure thats what that is? If its remastered it may have some > bonus tracks. In that case I'd get it anyways. Cheers STEPHE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Warren" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:22 PM > Subject: HW: MUSIC > > > It would be nice to actually read some messages about Hawkwind Music for a > change. > > Last time I looked this wasn't globalwarfare-l, it's boc-l. > > Lets leave the politics and get back to the music. > > Is anyone going to buy Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe, when it comes out on > Tuesday, if so let us know how digital the remastering is ;-) and whether > it's any better than all the thousand other releases of SR VOL 2. > > Rich W From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 13:03:28 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:03:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > There are already legal precedents in such brand wars. Slight variations > on spelling have been ruled as brand-stealing. > > FoFP F. Rat replies "Yeah but this is Hawkwind, not the House of Representatives or Ally McBeal, man." From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Mon Aug 12 13:17:25 2002 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:17:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik Turner's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <200208121634.RAA28566@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Maybe no-one noticed the gross distortion of the previous Subject line of the thread. Dave's spent the last 30+ years keeping Hawkwind going when Nik and others were off doing their thing. Then Nik rip's off the Hawkwind name and the tapes of the Hawkestra gig and then plays it like he's the innocent party (poor lamb!). Now Dave's portrayed as the demon of the piece and some morons sem to be going along with this load of bollocks. Farkin 'ell - what a c**t Turner's become. Horse From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 13:26:31 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:26:31 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > I actually wish I didn't care and feel slightly irritated with myself to > find that I do. That's what being a fan for the last 19 years (not as long > as some here I know, but more than half my life) will do to you I suppose. > > Nick To be serious for a minute, I think the point is that people *do* care and don't like to see Dave and Nik running themselves ragged over this, and doing each other down. It's so unlike the solid vibe of Hawkwind themselves - it's amazing with any band that after 30 (sorry, nearly 32) years they're still grooving whether with huge lineup changes or not, and still more so that there is freshness and creativity coming out of at least one side of the argument. Like most probably, I wish that Dave and Nik could forget their differences and get on with the role of creating and performing. Hawkwind are still the hottest thing around for me, though I didn't get past Silver Machine until the mid-80s. C'mon guys, put away your daggers (or needle guns) and make up. All this bickering makes my head hurt (ouch!) F. Rat. From youless at LVCM.COM Mon Aug 12 18:03:59 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:03:59 -0400 Subject: HW: who are you staring at? Message-ID: Remember the Fast Show? Remember the Stare-Out? Check out http://www.stare-out.com/stare-out.htm And look at the TV listings on that page, specifically Saturday: "Film: Don't Mock Cock Rock, BBC2 11pm" Steve From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 18:17:27 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:17:27 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I've practically given up caring. I don't believe anything that comes out of either camp, unless it goes "BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA..." Or, thinking about it, "XBLANGA XBLANGA XBLANGA XBLANGA..." Next time I get round to seeing Hawkwind, I'll enjoy myself. Next time I put on an Inner City Unit CD, I'll enjoy myself. Apart from that, fuck 'em all. :-( Cheers, Rich. (I just read this post, and although I'm not going to change it, I'd like to point out that it was meant as a light hearted comment - but I think I got to the nub of the argument by accident.) From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Aug 12 17:15:12 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:15:12 -0300 Subject: HW: OEB update Message-ID: Hello everyone, Well it's been quite a rewarding summer. I've enjoyed playing shows, meeting new people and seeing old friends. After being off from my 'regular job' as a college Philosophy & Religion Professor for almost 2 months, I'm just now beginning to throw myself back into things like course syllabi, lecture outlines and schedules in general. I've been absolutely thrilled by people's response to the OEBs. As the summer season winds down, and I prepare for work, and my forthcoming wedding on September 29th, I know already that my musical productivity may be briefly effected while Maria & I set up a home. Nonetheless, as I've stated before, there will be a proper OEB skiffle/blues album recorded in the UK early next year. I'd like to play one more gig or open mic appearance before mid September, but that remains to be seen. Anyone in the greater Philadelphia, South Jersey area interested in hosting a show or billing together let us know. We are looking into 'Warmdaddy's' in Philadelphia, as it's one of the more prestigious blues venues in that city. To look back on the summer, and ahead to the future, I've uploaded three new tunes on The 'One Eyed Bishops' website http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com Two are live cuts from 'The Garden Party" 6/1/02 and also a Rufus Thomas cut entitled "All night Worker". This cut is a demo, and is simply included to show where I am heading next. Unlike some artists who ask people to pay for 'exclusive demo and unfinished recordings', ie www.Patronet.com , I would be happy to provide this service for FREE!!! Enjoy the tunes, and see you all soon. We will let you know where and when we will appear next. Till then, Peace.....Mike Burro From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 19:38:27 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:38:27 +0100 Subject: Christian's Race Hate site Message-ID: It seems to have been removed. Cheers, Rich. From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Aug 12 20:23:00 2002 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: From: "Nick Medford" > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT, Michael W Blackman > wrote: > > >We really don't know whats going on > > Very true. > > On a whim I just typed "www.spaceritual.net" into the browser and up came > Nik's site. Maybe everyone else has already seen this, it hadn't occurred > to me to look at the site until just now. Oddest thing is that you also get > a pop-up window inluding the same message that Mike H forwarded to boc-l at > the start of this thread , along with the disclaimer: Anybody ever heard of Alex Gitlin? That's who I came up with when checking that URL. Jerry From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 20:34:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:34:33 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi Mike, Sometimes, because I live all the way over here in oz, I feel much alike a Hobbit merrilly living my life blissfully unaware of the events occuring in the land of the Hawk. I have found your emails to be most enlightening on the subject where one or two others have come across as simply slanderous (if that is not to strong a word perhaps?) If Uncle Nik is indeed planning a benefit concert to fund a court action against Dave Brocks right to use the name Hawkwind them I, also, would be 100% in favour of boycotting such an action. I don't really know what help I would be over here. But the intention would be well directed. Lets hope it all just fizzles out and life goes on. But if it doesn't then by all means keep us informed of the facts as you have them at hand. If it comes to choosing a side(masque) then we are on the same side here. I choose the side that supports the preservation of the name Hawkwind and the music of Hawkwind. We all know who has kept that spirit alive dont we. DB. Mb In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:22:22 AEDT, M Holmes writes: > Colin Allen writes: > > [Re: suggestion to can it...] > > > A very sensible suggestion Michael; as all this is still the subject > > of legal process the Hawks are, very sensibly, saying nothing until > > the case is resolved. Perhaps we should all do the same rather than > > reacting to what can only, at the moment, be conjecture, rumour, > > hearsay and propaganda. > > That's fair enough, except that one side is trying to involve us > directly by holding a "Benefit" to raise cash for the summoning up of > lawyers. I think it's a reasonable topic of discussion as to whether we > ought to persuade those who might attend to balance off any artistic > merits against making contributions to such a purpose. > > Not that I'm suggesting a boycott of Nik's band. As I've mentioned, I > saw them at Glastonbury. However, in this case any profits will go to > attempting to gut Hawkwind of their very name, and the tenor of the > recent spam indicates that any support is all too likely to be quoted as > support by the fanbase for Nik's Court claims. > > In the case of this specific "Benefit" gig, I think conscience tells me > that I have to personally stay away and furthermore encourage advocacy > of others to do the same. I have a gut feeling that what's really at > stake isn't just who carries the name. The real effect of removing > "Hawkwind" from Dave would possibly go a lot further than that. > > I intensely dislike being put into a position where I effectively have > to choose a side, but it seems to me that one faction has now put me > into that corner. > > I'm therefore choosing my Masque. The simple fact is that there's no > "Benefit" to me in what's being planned and I'll not only not > contribute, I'll proselytise against doing so. I vote we don't go and > we don't contribute. I very much doubt that the lawyers will starve. > > FoFP From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 12 20:59:08 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:59:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Took (was Re: Judge Trev is back) Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:16:22 +0100, Judge Trev wrote: > I played a couple of sets at the Big Green Gathering after and then > went on to finish recording for the new Steve Peregrine Took memorial > album Care to provide anymore details on this? Is Larry Wallis involved? > in Wales - I just got back and my suitcase really stinks. Details on stinky suitcase not required ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 21:01:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:01:47 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi Nick, If it comes down to it I am on the side of the Hawks. If someone tried to start a brand of whiskey called X-Johnny Walker or X-Wild Turkey they would be shut down before the first bottles made it down the highway. Regardless of their relationship to the original company. Hell, there was an australian brandy company forced to change their labels just because they looked to similar to Wild Turkey labels. I am curious tho - Does Dave Brock have the name Hawkwind legally secure? Or if not - does anyone know how the legal system would view a claim such as Niks alledged desire to take court action. (and I use the word alledged because I personally don't know what is happening in those circles) If I may make a point of something. Mostly to those who deem bands or musicians as something lesser where money is concerned. If they are making good music and money is being made from that music why should the musicians not benefit from that money. That is how they make their living and put food on the table and shelter over their heads, etc. Who are you to say how much food they should have or what type of shelter. Bollocks. When you give up your job and money and go live in the woods fully independent of society and its ways then I personaly will take you views a little more seriously - - maybe...... LoL In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:58:56 AEDT, Nick Medford writes: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT, Michael W Blackman > wrote: > > >We really don't know whats going on > > Very true. > > On a whim I just typed "www.spaceritual.net" into the browser and up came > Nik's site. Maybe everyone else has already seen this, it hadn't occurred > to me to look at the site until just now. Oddest thing is that you also get > a pop-up window inluding the same message that Mike H forwarded to boc-l at > the start of this thread , along with the disclaimer: > > "Please note that this press release is independent from Spaceritual.net > and does not necessarily reflect the views of Spaceritual.net" > > What??? If it's independent from them why does it appear- albeit on a pop- > up with a different URL- when you access their site? How "independent" does > that seem? > > I presume it's not independent from them at all, but they felt they'd > better have a disclainmer in case it caused further legal trouble. Which > just makes their whole position look even dodgier. > > Apologies if this just further pointless speculation, but OTOH Mike is > quite right to say that someone out there is trying to force us to take > sides and vote with our feet (well, with our cash to be precise). At the > moment I'm leaning to one side so heavily, I'm about to fall over. > > I actually wish I didn't care and feel slightly irritated with myself to > find that I do. That's what being a fan for the last 19 years (not as long > as some here I know, but more than half my life) will do to you I suppose. > > Nick From kruch7 at COX.NET Mon Aug 12 21:15:59 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:15:59 -0400 Subject: Christian's Race Hate site Message-ID: Yes it seems that there are worse things then fascist, censors. Ken Killing the internet one site at a time the narrow minded Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Christian's Race Hate site > It seems to have been removed. > > Cheers, > > Rich. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 21:18:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:18:13 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:00:13 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > I quite take your point. Personally I probably wouldn't be too aggrieved > to turn up to XHawkwind thinking they were "the real thing" (whatever > that is I mean c'mon they probly get so spaced before gigs Dave can't > tell himself from an implementation of Nik or even DikMik in the first > place!!!!) > I would be. (Fortunatly I know better now) But several years ago I might not have been so enlightened. If I turned up to what I thought was a Hawkwind concert with Dave Brock and co and it wasn't I would have been seriously pissed off. I would still enjoy the fact that these were x members and playing Hawkwind songs but I would be lamenting the fact that there was no Dave Brock guitar nor vocals. Anyway - I think "Nik Turners Space Ritual" is a BRILLIANT name!! Who that is a Hawkwind fan does not know the name Nik Turner? And a Hawkwind fan that doesn't know the title Space Ritual is seriously underfed. Even just the name on its own envokes a sense of curiosity and interest. For me at least. Perhaps the best thing we can do is to write Nik expressing approval of the coolness of his new band name and appeal to his better judgment because I am sure that he truly would not want to bring the Hawk down. Any thoughts? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 12 21:23:42 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:23:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:19:58 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >There are already legal precedents in such brand wars. Slight variations >on spelling have been ruled as brand-stealing. I don't know about single-letter variations, as in this particular case, but there are numerous instances, at least in the USA, where two-letter variations of a band name were sufficient to be ruled as not "brand- stealing". Two examples would be "yazOO" and "mission UK". -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 21:27:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:27:48 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:29:38 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > > To be serious for a minute, I think the point is that people *do* care > and don't like to see Dave and Nik running themselves ragged over this, > and doing each other down. It's so unlike the solid vibe of Hawkwind > themselves - it's amazing with any band that after 30 (sorry, nearly 32) Seems to me its only happening on the boc list within the imagination of some members?? Or perhaps you hang out with Dave and Nik and know the turmoil that is ensuing as we speak? As far as I can see Dave Brock is simply preserving the reputation of Hawkwind and others are wanting to "destroy" it because their egos have been slightly diminished. Whatever. Dave has obviously done a fantastic job so far so he has my vote. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 21:49:18 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:49:18 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <8b.1c5c2b0c.2a89b47c@aol.com> Message-ID: In message <8b.1c5c2b0c.2a89b47c at aol.com>, Michael W Blackman writes >If I may make a point of something. Mostly to those who deem bands or >musicians as something lesser where money is concerned. >If they are making good music and money is being made from that music why >should the musicians not benefit from that money. That is how they make their >living and put food on the table and shelter over their heads, etc. >Who are you to say how much food they should have or what type of shelter. >Bollocks. >When you give up your job and money and go live in the woods fully >independent of society and its ways then I personaly will take you views a little >more seriously - - maybe...... LoL Is this aimed at me? It's in a response to my post, but I can't be sure who you're addressing. I'm really sick of the unpleasantness on this list of late, so even if it *is* aimed at me, I have nothing to say except that you've completely misread my post if you think I'm saying musicians shouldn't make money. -- Nick Medford From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 22:06:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:06:27 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I am assuming by camp you mean the fans on the HW/boc list? Because I have never heard anything derogatory come from the Dave Brock "camp" nor have they promoted Nik in any bad light as far as I have ever noticed. The message posted at mission control is a testement to their professional behaviour and attitude regarding the whole situation. Elric (Mb) In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:28 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > I've practically given up caring. I don't believe anything that comes out > of either camp, unless it goes "BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA..." > > Or, thinking about it, "XBLANGA XBLANGA XBLANGA XBLANGA..." > > Next time I get round to seeing Hawkwind, I'll enjoy myself. Next time I > put on an Inner City Unit CD, I'll enjoy myself. > > Apart from that, fuck 'em all. :-( > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (I just read this post, and although I'm not going to change it, I'd like to > point out that it was meant as a light hearted comment - but I think I got > to the nub of the argument by accident.) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 22:07:32 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:07:32 EDT Subject: Christian's Race Hate site Message-ID: When I looked at that site there was only Hawkwind and movie related stuff? In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:40:31 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > It seems to have been removed. > > Cheers, > > Rich. From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Mon Aug 12 22:19:11 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:19:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Ditto. I think Nik ought to use at least 23 of them. Guido f. rat wrote: >But Guido, X is such a spacey letter I think it's just groovy!!!! > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 22:30:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:30:48 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi Nick, No, I dont recall you ever making a reference to bands or musos who earn a good fee - I can't recall any by name who did. Thats why, in the first sentence, I said it was for "those who think.... etc" I simply added my opinion at the end of a previous message in an attempt to reduce volume thru the list. Apologies if it seemed to be directed at you. I should have said "on a seperate note" or something similar. Peace Mb In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:49:58 AEDT, Nick Medford writes: > In message <8b.1c5c2b0c.2a89b47c at aol.com>, Michael W Blackman > writes > >If I may make a point of something. Mostly to those who deem bands or > >musicians as something lesser where money is concerned. > >If they are making good music and money is being made from that music why > >should the musicians not benefit from that money. That is how they make their > >living and put food on the table and shelter over their heads, etc. > >Who are you to say how much food they should have or what type of shelter. > >Bollocks. > >When you give up your job and money and go live in the woods fully > >independent of society and its ways then I personaly will take you views a little > >more seriously - - maybe...... LoL > > Is this aimed at me? It's in a response to my post, but I can't be sure who > you're addressing. > > I'm really sick of the unpleasantness on this list of late, so even if it *is* > aimed at me, I have nothing to say except that you've completely misread > my post if you think I'm saying musicians shouldn't make money. > -- > Nick Medford From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 04:36:57 2002 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:36:57 +0100 Subject: who are you staring at? Message-ID: Dear boclers, the person who did the original stare out is a HW fan, as pointed out in my posint 5/2/99 http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9902A&L=BOC-L&P=R3978 All those Big train fans, who thought the best thing was the stare out contest, the cartoonist who originally drew this (as a comic) is called Paul Hatcher. back in 93-95 he produced a comic called Time we left. They have been re-issued and there is a strong HW theme running through issues 2 and 3. A two page spread on Master of the Universe and some Startrek people (First Officer Davy, Cheif Bass Specialist, Ensign Navigator Chadwick, drum division, and Captain D Brock) trying to find another naked dancer to replace Stacia. Issue 2 makes very little sense, but is quite fun. Issue 3 has more story and less HW references, but anything with a chapter headed Project Zarozinia, followed by In the Beginniing cannot be all bad. So not Fast show, but big train. This probably aslo accounts for the "Master of the Universe" reference on the home page of stare-out.com Cheers Mike P.S. just to drag this back off topic, What is it about members of bands that as they age they feel the need to fight over old identities? Is it just the money that a name has? And if so why do they wait until they are of a certain age before realising this and wanting to claim it, rather than being happy with whatever solo project band name they could choose? Not impressed by Nik's actions in claiming the name, let him use NT's space ritual, or XHawkind.com. Either of these sound like a covers band, which is almost what they are as long as they do not attempt to do new stuff. Still, I'd go and see them because I am interested in seeing original/old members jam, just don't want to support a group trying to take the name from the person who kept it going and alive and in people's minds for 25 years when, if it had been down to Nik (and the others in his line up) there would be no name to trade on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Moonglum . [mailto:youless at LVCM.COM] > Sent: 12 August 2002 23:04 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: who are you staring at? > > > Remember the Fast Show? Remember the Stare-Out? Check out > > http://www.stare-out.com/stare-out.htm > > And look at the TV listings on that page, specifically > Saturday: "Film: > Don't Mock Cock Rock, BBC2 11pm" > > Steve > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 05:06:41 2002 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:06:41 -0400 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Alex Gitlin is the administrator for spaceritual.net....funny that! On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:00 -0400, Jerry Guizar wrote: >From: "Nick Medford" > >> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:32 EDT, Michael W Blackman >> wrote: >> >> >We really don't know whats going on >> >> Very true. >> >> On a whim I just typed "www.spaceritual.net" into the browser and up came >> Nik's site. Maybe everyone else has already seen this, it hadn't occurred >> to me to look at the site until just now. Oddest thing is that you also >get >> a pop-up window inluding the same message that Mike H forwarded to boc-l >at >> the start of this thread , along with the disclaimer: > > Anybody ever heard of Alex Gitlin? That's who I came up with when >checking that URL. > >Jerry From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Aug 13 08:02:25 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:02:25 +0800 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Mb wrote: preservation of the name Hawkwind and the music of Hawkwind. We all know who has kept that spirit alive dont we. DB. > Yep we do! And I'm not holding my breathe waiting for any other band to release more material other than Hawkwind. Dave Brock's Hawkwind that is :-) Bill From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 08:37:51 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:37:51 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > Anyway - I think "Nik Turners Space Ritual" is a BRILLIANT name!! > Who that is a Hawkwind fan does not know the name Nik Turner? And a Hawkwind fan that doesn't know the title Space Ritual is seriously underfed. > Even just the name on its own envokes a sense of curiosity and interest. For me at least. > > Perhaps the best thing we can do is to write Nik expressing approval of the coolness of his new band name and appeal to his better judgment because I am sure that he truly would not want to bring the Hawk down. > > Any thoughts? Yeah - I don't think Uncle Lem will have been too displeased over the years at the notoriety the name "Motorhead" brought him (realises he is vacillating between the Brock and Turner camps Wildly, and says "f* it I can't be bothered to be consistent.") F Rat From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 08:40:32 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:40:32 +0100 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Sorry, my point was not to knock *either* of the individuals concerned, just to let people know that people want to hear the music and see the shows without feeling conflicts of loyalty towards two may I say giants (or xGiants) of space rock. Michael W Blackman wrote: > > In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:29:38 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > > > > > To be serious for a minute, I think the point is that people *do* care > > and don't like to see Dave and Nik running themselves ragged over this, > > and doing each other down. It's so unlike the solid vibe of Hawkwind > > themselves - it's amazing with any band that after 30 (sorry, nearly 32) > > Seems to me its only happening on the boc list within the imagination of some members?? Or perhaps you hang out with Dave and Nik and know the turmoil that is ensuing as we speak? > > As far as I can see Dave Brock is simply preserving the reputation of Hawkwind and others are wanting to "destroy" it because their egos have been slightly diminished. Whatever. > > Dave has obviously done a fantastic job so far so he has my vote. From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 08:42:26 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:42:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > Ditto. I think Nik ought to use at least 23 of them. > > Guido > Turner 23x, that's got quite a ring, maybe an alternative title for his band! F. Rat From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Tue Aug 13 09:14:04 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (Tim Elliott) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:14:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band and calling it XNIK ??? tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:42:AM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > Guido Vacano wrote: > > > > Ditto. I think Nik ought to use at least 23 of them. > > > > Guido > > > Turner 23x, that's got quite a ring, maybe an alternative title for his > band! > > F. Rat > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 13 09:50:18 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:50:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: Tim Elliott's message of Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:14:04 -0400 Message-ID: Tim Elliott writes: > How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band > and calling it XNIK ??? He could call his court appeal "PikNik". FoFP From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 10:15:15 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:15:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Tim Elliott writes: > > > How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band > > and calling it XNIK ??? > > He could call his court appeal "PikNik". > > FoFP Surprised Dave hasn't thought of calling him DikNik! From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Tue Aug 13 10:27:24 2002 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?=) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:27:24 -0400 Subject: nik turner deeply vale 1978 Message-ID: Hello ! Does anyone know the exact date of Nik Turner live at Deeply Vale 1978 ? Best wishes and thanks Alfred From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Aug 13 11:02:56 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:02:56 UT Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Les Vegas Message-ID: >If you are debating between this, *Piece of Work*, >*To Helen With Love*, >and *Solid Citizens*, I would probably recommend >*Piece of Work*, >followed by *To Helen With Love* if you are judging >solely based on what >SOUNDS good. If "collectibility" is of importance, >*Fool's Gold* >followed by *Solid Citizens* might be the way to go >- then again, >perhaps Albert could comment as far as what is more >likely to be "out of >stock" at Cellsum Records first. > >John I don't have any of the aforementioned discs except "Solid Citizens", so that's the only one I can comment on. And I happen to think it's a really good album. There are a few clunkers, but the disc has given me the opinion that JB was really an unsung hero in BOC. I get more of a classic BOC vibe from this than I have from any of the recent BOC or TBS stuff. --Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 13 11:03:58 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:03:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Hastings - brief response In-Reply-To: <002001c2300c$59cdde40$01fc2ed4@ghostwheel3>; from coral@APORT.RU on Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 08:41:51PM +0400 Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 08:41:51PM +0400, Alisa typed out: > You all are saying about the sound. But the sound is not the band playing. > And if the sound wasn't good enough it doesn't mean the playing is bad. It's > just the sound. It's the mistake of sound engineer. > Sound is very important part of concert but not everything. > > >From what I've read it would be a very interesting show for me. So I will > definitely try to find a recording. The sound is important though, mostly because if it's wrong you can't *hear* the band playing. I've been to too many HW gigs where Huw was guesting and you could see his hands moving, and no noise reached you. And eventually he would start throwing his hands up and giving up because he could tell from the monitors that he wasn't audible either. It's a damper on a concert experience. I don't go to HW to guess what notes they're playing; if the sound is mud (Croydon Fairfield Halls 98) or all stuffed into the mid-range and fizzing (Shepherd's Bush 96) or just some musicians are inaudible (any gig I saw with Huw before Canterbury, and indeed last Christmas Party for much of it), there's nothing HW can do right or wrong to help my gig experience, because the soundman is stopping it reaching me. This is why it annoys me that they post-produced _Yule Ritual_ so much, because where we were right behind the sound booth on the night, it was crystal *perfect* and the recording has spoilt the ice-cool smokiness of it all. Not by much, but by enough to take the shine off. And live we could hear Jerry of course. Grr. Anyway. Yours, Jon (still behind) ObCD: DarXtar - _Tombola_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 13 11:45:06 2002 From: jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET (John Majka) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:45:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Hastings - brief response Message-ID: > The sound is important though, mostly because if it's wrong you > can't *hear* the band playing. I've been to too many HW gigs where Huw was > guesting and you could see his hands moving, and no noise reached you. And > eventually he would start throwing his hands up and giving up because he > could tell from the monitors that he wasn't audible either. It's a damper > on a concert experience. I don't go to HW to guess what notes they're > playing; if the sound is mud (Croydon Fairfield Halls 98) or all stuffed > into the mid-range and fizzing (Shepherd's Bush 96) or just some musicians > are inaudible (any gig I saw with Huw before Canterbury, and indeed last > Christmas Party for much of it), there's nothing HW can do right or wrong > to help my gig experience, because the soundman is stopping it reaching > me. > > This is why it annoys me that they post-produced _Yule Ritual_ so > much, because where we were right behind the sound booth on the night, it > was crystal *perfect* and the recording has spoilt the ice-cool smokiness > of it all. Not by much, but by enough to take the shine off. And live we > could hear Jerry of course. Grr. Anyway. Yours, > Jon (still behind) Yeah this is frequently a problem with more recent HW shows, it seems. Especially on more recent live tapes I have to wonder, "Is Huw playing anything?" but then every once in a while I'll hear a distant note in the background and realize he must be there... maybe. The live mixing has been pretty crappy for the most part, I'd have to say. It's also odd how there are many latter-day HW albums where it seems Dave was trying to remove himself from the mix by keeping his guitar far in the background. John Majka jmajka2 at comcast.net From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 13 10:51:32 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:32 -0300 Subject: HW:OEB appearances, beginning TONIGHT!!! Message-ID: Hello, friends..This just in. The One Eyed Bishops will be appearing at two area blues establishments TONIGHT and one week from tonight. These will be short open mic appearances as we test the waters in these venues, and conclude the summer season. Why don't You come out and join the fun. We could use a washboard player and bassist too, so if you want to be part of this lineup let us know soon. Here's the pertinent info: TONIGHT: Urban Word Trenton, New Jersey www.Urbanword.com 449 S. Broad Street (609) 989-7777 signup at 8:30 PM, showcase begins promptly at 9PM This is a good gig, which will still allow you to be home by 12!!! Next Tuesday: August 20th: 8PM 'Warmdaddy's' Philadelphia, PA www.Warmdaddys.com Front & Market Streets (215) 677-2500 'Rave Up'!!!! Mike Burro From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Aug 13 12:59:45 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:59:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Knights that say Nik ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > M Holmes wrote: > > > > Tim Elliott writes: > > > > > How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band > > > and calling it XNIK ??? > > > > He could call his court appeal "PikNik". > > > > FoFP > > Surprised Dave hasn't thought of calling him DikNik! From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Aug 13 13:18:55 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:18:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Stare out Message-ID: This is well funny... Film: Don't Mock Cock Rock, BBC2 11pm. Starring Dave Brock and Andy Dudley. Britains number 1 stare-master makes an ill-advised acting debut in this ham fisted retro drama about a psychedelic space rock group who turn to crime and attempt to steal the crown jewels and then sell them to Libyan leader Corneal Gadaffi. Introduced by Alex Cox From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 13 16:05:42 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:05:42 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe In-Reply-To: <082001c2329d$3d850fe0$6e3d27d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100 Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > Sorry. > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like Double > > Diamond and a good Guinness. This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of taste or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age groups and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very distinctive-tasting beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have something I'd rather drink. The best beers in England are in fact to be found at and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in other parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions on this subject :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 13 16:11:10 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:11:10 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe In-Reply-To: <200207232354.TAA12391@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 07:54:33PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 07:54:33PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:04:00 +0100, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > >HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > >Sorry. > > > >The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > >http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > You're right about the "HAHAHAHAAAAARGRRGRGHHH" part, since only one of > their varieties is available in bottles, so those of us in the rest of the > world are screwed. How does it compare with Samuel Smith's (my personal > faves from the Brit isles, esp. their Oatmeal Stout [and the best Oatmeal > Stout from the states in Anderson Valley, bar none!])? Not dissimilar to Sam Smith's bitter actually. Landlord is a little more actually bitter, also smoother and kind of attacks the back of the throat, not hostile but you know what you're drinking. Both of them taste more narrow than broad, if that means anything to anyone but me, and Landlord has slightly more of the tone and aroma of polished teak about it, whereas Sam Smith's smells more like a beer is supposed to. Neither of them my favourites but not too dissimilar. I have to say, if that were the choice, which given Sam Smith's tends only to turn up in their pubs it's not likely to be, I would pick the Landlord. And not realise how drunk I was getting until rather too late. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gas Giant - _Pleasant Journey in Heavy Tunes_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 13 17:20:23 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:20:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: another rock star behaving badly Message-ID: from: http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020813/en_nm/crime_britain_ant_dc_2 Singer Adam Ant Admits 'Cowboy' Incident Tue Aug 13, 9:30 AM ET LONDON (Reuters) - Former British pop star Adam Ant Tuesday admitted threatening pub customers who laughed at his cowboy attire and mocked him by humming the theme tune to spaghetti Western "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly." The musician pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey criminal court to the charge of affray. Sentencing was deferred until Oct. 2 to allow time for psychiatric reports to be prepared. Three other charges relating to the incident in January of this year -- criminal damage, assault and possession of an imitation firearm -- were dropped. During a preliminary hearing, the court heard that the singer, whose real name is Stuart Goddard, strode into the Prince of Wales pub in north London dressed in a cowboy hat and combat jacket and with a starting gun in his pocket. The court was told that Goddard was intent on "pistol whipping" the husband of a woman he had befriended. His composure evaporated when customers began giggling at his outfit and mocked him by humming the theme from the well- known Western. Goddard left the pub and later flung a car alternator through the pub's window. He was chased by pub customers but scared them off by pulling the starting pistol from his pocket, the court heard. During his 1980s heyday, his band Adam and the Ants sold more than 15 million records and enjoyed British No. 1 hits with the singles "Stand and Deliver" and "Prince Charming." He styled himself as the "Dandy Highwayman," dressing in knee-length leather boots and frilly shirts, wearing Red Indian war paint across his cheeks. After Tuesday's court appearance the singer, now balding and bespectacled, sped away without talking to reporters. Bizarre! Who does he think he is, Darby Crash??!? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 17:25:44 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:25:44 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: > > > > Sorry. > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like Double > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of taste > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age groups > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very distinctive-tasting > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have something > I'd rather drink. In London I'd go along with that - Landlord's very often rather poor down here. (They've got it in my local in Stratford and it's often undrinkable), but get it in West Yorkshire and you'll change your opinion drastically, I guarantee! :-) Cheers, Rich. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 13 17:30:38 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:30:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Great Expectations In-Reply-To: <004201c2387e$ac5854e0$e4219dc3@merlinas> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Dave Bottomley wrote: > Surprised at how quiet the list is at the moment, especially given the > recent Hawkfest (which I couldn't get to & so I'm eager to read any > reviews). To try & kick-start something, I was wondering about people's > expectations about the next HW album. Me? I'm trying hard not to build up my > hopes out of all proportion, but I can't help feeling that the current HW > line-up has the *potential* to produce their best studio album for a long, > long time. Indubitably, given enough time to let songs get influenced by all members, or whatever. If it turns out to be that Dave put in some numbers, Richard put together some techno, Huw brought along some stuff he was considering for the LLG, Simon hid throughout the proceedings and no-one actually argued or interacted but just put it down dumb-like, it could be an absolutely terrible album. And I still wonder where the material's coming from. Saving only a version of `Money Tree' with vocals by a now-departed man, I don't see that anyone but Ron has had a new Hawkwind song obviously ready for a long time. Brock Blake Chadwick would still be a great techno group mind. Alan's Bedouin material is top-class. But Hawkwind stuff is rather thin on the ground. > But I also can't help feeling that I've been here before. I had that > expectation around 1989/1990 when Simon had rejoined (for the first time). > They had tons of great new material & the live shows were largely > outstanding. So I was expecting Space Bandits to be a classic HW album. When > I first heard it, I couldn't help but be hugely disappointed. In retrospect, > it's actually not a bad album at all, IMHO. But at the time, I couldn't help > but think that it could've been *so* much better. I also recall being > mightily disappointed with Sonic Attack (still am!). But I'd guess that some > fans were distinctly underwhelmed by HotMG when it first came out (this was > before my time) - it was quite a change from what had gone before (again, > less so with the benefit of hindsight) - even if it widely regarded as one > of *the* classic HW albums now (my favourite studio album, in fact). > Expectation must've been high then in the aftermath of Doremi & Space > Ritual. Was this the case? I wasn't there (wasn't born, help, nice to find *some* forum I don't feel old in) but I'd have thought so. All that damn Mellotron, I remember someone (maybe even you, but I think actually one of our Marks) saying how he threw _Sonic Attack_ at the wall shouting something like, "Bloody Tangerine Dream wannabes", and I can't help thinking a few people must have got HotMG and gone, "Nooooo! Don't be King Crimson! Be Hawkwind! Argh!" Anyone know what I mean? > I was also quite surprised to see so little new stuff played at the recent > pair of shows. I guess that the Spacebrock/Remix Project version of Earth > Calling is now a fully fledged HW number. What about the song Strange Flower > I noticed in the set list? I've never encountered this before (or have I > just not been paying enough attention?!). Any good? Ron took what little there was with him, is my take on it. On the other hand they maybe don't need songs. If they can actually manage to get the whole band together long enough to issue an album with four or five long jams on it, you know, that'll do very nicely indeed :-) As long as Dave's synths broke down for two of them :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Pink Fairies - _Never Never Land_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 17:30:38 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:30:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: another rock star behaving badly Message-ID: Goodness me - is he still around! I remember Adam Ant. In fact, worse probably, I also remember a bizarre TV series called Adam Adamant - not related (unless he took his name from it) but - wow - it does bring back a 60s moment!! 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson > from: > http://news.yahoo.com/news? > tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020813/en_nm/crime_britain_ant_ dc_2 > > > Singer Adam Ant Admits 'Cowboy' Incident > Tue Aug 13, 9:30 AM ET > > LONDON (Reuters) - Former British pop star Adam Ant Tuesday admitted > threatening pub customers who laughed at his cowboy attire and mocked him > by humming the theme tune to spaghetti Western "The Good, the Bad and the > Ugly." From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 14:52:21 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:52:21 +0100 Subject: Fw: HW: Stare out Message-ID: I can't see this film listed in the Radio Times. Is it on this week? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:18 PM Subject: HW: Stare out This is well funny... Film: Don't Mock Cock Rock, BBC2 11pm. Starring Dave Brock and Andy Dudley. Britains number stare-master makes an ill-advised acting debut in this ham fisted retro drama about a psychedelic space rock group who turn to crime and attempt to steal the crown jewels and then sell them to Libyan leader Corneal Gadaffi. Introduced by Alex Cox From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Aug 13 18:04:45 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:04:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Here's even more proof to drive it home...... Jason Newsted is being sued for trademark infringement by the Dallas band Echo Drain Here's a link to one of the many articles: http://www.antimusic.com/news/2002/june/item26.shtml I did not read all of this one, but I remember reading it on Billboard.com. Seems like Jason actually bought the rights to Echo Drain's website, so that if anyone typed Echo Drain.com his band's website (Echobrain)would actually load on the person's PC. If I remember correctly.... Seems like that was pretty ruthless of him. The 2 names are quite a bit more differnt thanxHawkwind and Hawkwind..... Echo Drain vs. Echobrain Hmmmm.... D -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:jasret at MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:19:58 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >There are already legal precedents in such brand wars. Slight variations >on spelling have been ruled as brand-stealing. I don't know about single-letter variations, as in this particular case, but there are numerous instances, at least in the USA, where two-letter variations of a band name were sufficient to be ruled as not "brand- stealing". Two examples would be "yazOO" and "mission UK". -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM Tue Aug 13 18:07:51 2002 From: Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM (DRider) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:07:51 -0400 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: The Reality of Gong (The best band you've never heard of) By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com A genre has been created, an essence released that has yet to be defined. Loosely, psychedelic rock. On the tighter side, vibes imbued with elements of techno, funk, disco, Klezmer, jazz, and heavy metal intermingled with dreamlike trance grooves. Gong sooths, seduces, shocks, and frightens the unsuspecting listener all at once. The Gong vibration has been intriguing audiences for over thirty years. Clad in an array of intergalactic costumes, Gong continues to take the stage to set free thoughtful, though often silly, verses for devoted audiences who rave over their unique style of intense and electrifying music. A lasting cult phenomenon in Europe, fans are addicted to the band's seamless mixture of hard rock with gracefully shaped soothing/horrific vocals, flashy sax solos, and rhythm heavy jams. The clincher is the grace and precision with which this group of experimental, experienced, and talent-heavy musicians execute their musical ideas. Gong is lead by eccentric founder Daevid Allen, a white haired wizard who takes command of the stage with his absurd sense of humor and his freakish, mind-bending surges on lead and "glissando" guitar. The later technique is an eerie style of slide improvisation the Australian allegedly gathered from watching Syd Barrett playing with Pink Floyd at the Ally Pally. A visionary with a passion for poetry, Allen inspires and mystifies audiences with lyrics ranging from the ridiculous to the transcendental. Bringing performance art and rock music together in each show, Allen at once enthralls, inspires, and entertains. He is a true proponent of uninhibited self-expression and individuality. Gilli Smyth strengthens Gong's uncommon sound with her gorgeous and mystical voice. Her unique vocalizations have been named "space whispers," due to their soft and smooth, haunted and freakish nature. With them she takes you on a journey through her dreams and yours. This English gal dons shimmery gowns, pussy ears, and multi-colored muumuus while presenting her poetic verse. She is both the fairy queen of your fantasies and the wicked witch of your nightmares. Both child and mother, sex goddess and interpreter of myth. Mike Howlett and Chris Taylor embody the breathtakingly skilled rhythm section of Gong's 2000 North American tour incarnation. Offering strong, intense, fire-powered beats, they are not the background but the essential layer of foundation that give Gong their musical strength. Howlett, electrifying on bass and Taylor, master of techno and heavy metals beats take control of the voiceless jams that allow Gong to soar into musical excellence. Theo Travis adds a fantastic element on the saxophone and flute topping the mixtures of sound with strong yet peaceful Pink Floydesque melodies. Jazzy yet haunting virtuoso solos comes forth among Allen's psychedelic interweavings. On keyboard, Gwyo Zepix brings yet another layer to Gong's complex sound. Gong has transformed audiences since its inception in France in 1968. Almost continuously tied to the nucleus of Allen and Gilli Smyth, the band's makeup has undergone a multitude of metamorphoses allowing a number of musicians' creativity to take the band on a variety of intergalactic journeys. More than thirty albums make up the library of Gong's studio excursions. During live performance, Allen tends to pull songs from many periods of Gong's existence allowing the essence to live on as a whole, not only in its most recent configuration. Born during an era of creativity and freethinking, a time that nurtured and supported new ideas, Gong's sum and substance was founded on exploration. Exposure to the political and philosophical theories of anarchy, beat poetry, ritual theatre, and a variety of ethnic musical traditions all helped to shape the Gong entity. Celebration of both the individual and the individual's connection to the whole are also important to Gong's energy, as is the possibility of spiritual regeneration through music. Many of Gong's songs reference Gong mythology. Filled with radio gnomes, pot-head pixies, and flying teapots there is no end to the visions that abound in the mind of Daevid Allen and his cohorts. It begins with Planet Gong, a transparent greenish planet unknown to astronomers, situated in the seventh sky, which function in accordance with the Laws of the Music of the Spheres. Here, social rules and norms have been turned upside-down. The planet is equipped with Radio Gnome Invisible, a telepathic radio network operating between the brains of its inhabitants. The explorations of Zero the Hero, prodigal son of the hippies, have been the focus of Gong's more recent albums. While Allen is Gong's main scribe, Smyth also brings to light her mind tinkerings as do many of the musicians who've joined along the way. Filled with social commentary, humor, and poetry, Gong's lyrics touch down on a variety of emotions. Shaping entire genres of music and schooling musicians in the art of ambient and techno, Gong influence can be heard in hundreds of bands. Numerous European collaborations including the Moodswings, The Shamen, Youth, and Total Eclipse list them as inspiration, as do Phish, the Ozric Tentacles, and the Orb. Their unique conception of rock 'n roll was long awaited by many. "Gong was a cheesecake in a world seemingly filled only with baked beans!" said Grant Showbiz of the Moodswings. In the words of record producer Stephen Budd, "Planet Gong first manifested to me at London, Hammersmith Palais in 1974, and I realized then that I had been born on the wrong planet and they had arrived to take me home." Gong continues to re-invent itself, keeping their sound enticing through constant evolution. And the albums are still emerging with Zero to Infinity (Snapper Music) out this past winter. Try them out while the opportunity is still within reach with seven dates left in their North American tour. But a warning. Full contact with Gong is not recommended for the weak-minded, those who waver on reality as it is. Gong's essence takes you to the edge and leaves you there. Prepare for them grab your soul and take you on a trip through their reality. From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 18:12:41 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:12:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Whats Happening Message-ID: Yo, Wots Up, All this talk of ex members, new albums, spam wars (or was it .. war spam) destruction of something other than the death generator; speculation, interesting but ultimately futile. Lets turn our minds to other things. What are Jerry Richards and Ron Tree up to now? I know that Jerry helped deliver the excellent Star Nation album and he was working with Steve Swindells on a 'new project' but news on that one suddenly dried up. Somebody must know if Jerry is working on something else. Will Star Nation ever be more than a couple of cd's. Similarly with Ron. I know he did some gigs with the NikCrew and also some stuff with Trev Thoms in Inner City Hawks but what else is happening? Interesting that Ron is not one of the ex members listed in the alleged counter legal action. Finally, if anybody is up for trying out any new music have a go at Muse or Cooper Temple Clause. Or if you are feeling really angry go and find Toxicity by System of A Down. That will really blow your mind - and that is what it is really all about. Am I losing My Mind?? From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 13 18:14:51 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:14:51 -0400 Subject: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: There just jealous. Echo drain or Echo brain. Why doesn't Led Zeppelin sue Dread Zeppelin? Whoever heard of Echo Drain before they sued? I never did. Why not Metallica and Elastica? Judge Trev was in a band called Iron Maiden in 1970. Now they're the ones who should be suing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRider" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > Here's even more proof to drive it home...... > > Jason Newsted is being sued for trademark infringement by the Dallas band > Echo Drain > > Here's a link to one of the many articles: > > http://www.antimusic.com/news/2002/june/item26.shtml > > I did not read all of this one, but I remember reading it on Billboard.com. > Seems like Jason actually bought the rights to Echo Drain's website, so that > if anyone typed Echo Drain.com his band's website (Echobrain)would actually > load on the person's PC. If I remember correctly.... > > Seems like that was pretty ruthless of him. The 2 names are quite a bit more > differnt thanxHawkwind and Hawkwind..... > > Echo Drain vs. Echobrain > > Hmmmm.... > > D > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Pearson [mailto:jasret at MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:19:58 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > >There are already legal precedents in such brand wars. Slight variations > >on spelling have been ruled as brand-stealing. > > I don't know about single-letter variations, as in this particular case, > but there are numerous instances, at least in the USA, where two-letter > variations of a band name were sufficient to be ruled as not "brand- > stealing". Two examples would be "yazOO" and "mission UK". > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 13 20:53:56 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:53:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Took (was Re: Judge Trev is back) Message-ID: No Lazza on this one - it's a Horns album - you best ask Fee about it Fee at Mercury-Moon.co.uk Trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: OFF: Took (was Re: Judge Trev is back) > On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:16:22 +0100, Judge Trev wrote: > > I played a couple of sets at the Big Green Gathering after and then > > went on to finish recording for the new Steve Peregrine Took memorial > > album > > Care to provide anymore details on this? Is Larry Wallis involved? > > > in Wales - I just got back and my suitcase really stinks. > > Details on stinky suitcase not required ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 13 20:51:46 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:51:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: Hi Jon, let's see if I can make it through this (and cut down a wee bit on the size) ... On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:48:39 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:21:21PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: >> ... [Oz-It] who just (finally!) released Captain Beefheart's 'Bat >> Chain Puller' sessions on CD, so you will NOT hear me complain one >> word about that label! > > Mmm. I heard dubious things about that release. Thanks to Google >Groups I can repost them, too. You will find in alt.fan.capt-beefheart, or >you would if it hadn't long expired, this message: Most interesting ... thanks for digging these up ... I'll have to check the full threads sometime ... [forwarded usenet messages snipped] > Here he refers to _I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do: live at My >Father's Place 1978_ on Rhino Handmade which is quite fun; I got it >along with _St Cecilia_. The trombone is a bit loud but it's clear >enough. And the encore comes on a separate 3" mini-CD so you have to >love that. But I digress... I haven't heard the Rhino version. But for the price, it had better sound three times better than the OzIT version! > So, in summary, they've used tapes worse than the most >available bootleg, filled it up with live stuff of which two tracks >actually justify the hype, but the rest is already legitimately out >there bar one, and all sounding terrible, the mastering's sloppy, the >sound is bad, and the liner notes downright wrong. Sounds like an >Oz-IT:Morpheus job to me, sorry to say. Okay this critic's a purist >fan, most probably, but you can safely say that had Oz-IT just procured >themselves a copy of one of the bootlegs of _Bat Chain Puller_ and >pressed that they'd have had a better product. Now the chances of Gial >Zappa ever releasing the real thing are even further reduced because >there's already a `legit' version out there. Hmph. While I don't deny a fundamental truth to that, in that OzIT definitely could have done a better job on those, it does seem like this JWB person is overreacting a bit, and represents something of an extreme viewpoint (he even says, "Why am I the only person here who seems to think this?"). I have the 'Bat Chain Puller'/'Safe As Milk (mono)' bootleg he refers to, and yes, there's less hiss (and I haven't been able to hear artifacts of digital hiss-removal processing, which can sometimes add crunchiness that's worse than the hiss itself), but the sound quality doesn't seem *that* much better than the OzIT version to my ears. And I wouldn't hold my breath for any Beefheart material coming out of the Zappa estate, if only because they have so much Zappa stuff to deal with already! >> > ... but on the other hand they get the stuff out >> >there. They are essentially a distributor so maybe that's why, but >> >incomplete tracklists, botched credits, substandard artwork, no >> >post-production, you can say all this about so many of their products, >> >> This is true for a lot (but not all!) of the Hawkwind stuff, but, for >> instance, the Man and Fall reissues are *very well* done IMHO ... >> .... And "find-the-mistakes-in-the-credits" has >> been a fun game for Hawkwind fans since long before they started >> releasing stuff through Voiceprint (hello, Doug Buckley!). > > Ho yus indeed. But when it was EBS doing it it was just typoes >and imaginative additions of credits for new synth backings. Not the >wrong tracklist. The tracklisting and indexing didn't quite match on 'Distant Horizons' (although, technically the tracklist was "correct", and not nearly as bad as on 'In Your Area'). > What Man issues have they handled? I thought all Man stuff was >coming out on BGO? Lots of it does seem to be... They have a 'Point' imprint through Voiceprint (just as Dave has the 'Hawk Records' imprint). As you can see, they've reissued the crucial UA studio and live albums: http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/point/ > EBS didn't actually issue anything after that, so you could say >they never got the chance. _Distant Horizons_ wasn't ready but it >doesn't sound bad, it just sounds unfinished to me. Yes, either a rough mix, or a non-mastered final mix. And it was a major disappointment to see that cover art after stuff like the 'Love In Space' double-CD cardboard sleeve. >And I'd rather have >it that way, with proper mixing, than _Yule Ritual_'s Dave-up >Jerry-down post-production, and I agree with you about the bass. The bass sounds exactly right on the TotalRock broadcast version of the show, but of course, that was only 1/3 of the songs. >I do >think it's the best thing Voiceprint have issued under the HW name in >terms of the label's input but it still leaves something to be desired >as a release. The recent 'Nottingham 90' release is quite excellent. It doesn't sound to me like there was any significant post-processing, and it sounds like it doesn't need it (even if the quality of one of the two source tapes is slightly better than the other). >> I believe that Voiceprint have made a replacement booklet available for >> free (has anyone gotten one?). hmmm ... I guess not. >> If that's true, they deserve a lot of >> credit for it (just as they do for properly repressing 'Spacebrock'). > > I believe they said they would do it but no-one has one. And I >also believe they repressed _Spacebrock_ because they hadn't done a >full run yet and Dave rang them up and gave them hell. It's up to Dave >whether or not they can release after all. Yes, I'm sure of that. >I'm sure they'd have carried >on if he hadn't protested. And using the wrong tape is not a thing you >want a label to be doing haphazardly. It's not like this is an amateur >concern, they're turning over thousands of units. We don't know whether or not they had the "right" tape at the time, or if they had any other reason to know that the tape they had was the wrong one. >> Well, there's only so much you can do to clean up a lo-fi live recording. >> The problems with 'Glastonbury 90' are especially troublesome; filtering >> out wind noises and audience speech are next to impossible... > > Does it strike you that anyone tried? My point is, that for this particular tape, there's nothing that you can really do until you invent a time machine, go back, and shoot the dog. Something like 'Atomhenge 76' sounds more like the kind of recording that could have been improved a bit, but it's not that bad, and may even have been cleaned up for the release, I'm not sure. >Rob Ayling posted here >saying, more or less, that he just took the tape Dave gave him and >pressed it. Again not great business practice IMO. > ... > Oh no. I agree with you, I'm being realistic, I just don't >think effort has been made to get them `as good as they'll get', or to >indicate how good they aren't. This comes down to a question of whose responsibility it is to put in the effort to make them "as good as they'll get". If a label is ONLY handling manufacturing/distribution, it's not their responsibility to do the mastering and other post-processing; it's only their responsibility to deliver the master tape to the replicator. On the other hand, if the label has actually *signed* the band, then it *is* their responsibility. > I think the slew of Voiceprint material may have something to >do with the drop in price of the jewel-case remasters. I would suspect that it has more to do with switching from very expensive custom packaging to standardized jewel cases. I seriously doubt that EMI would feel the least bit threatened by any Voiceprint release (they seemed to have no problem getting Weird 106 pulled for containing EMI-era material, which I strongly suspect is the reason for its deletion [I can think of only one other plausible explanation]). >On the other >hand lots of EMI's remasters seem to be going cheap at the moment >too: HMV haven't caught up with it yet but I can find the Deep Purple >Mk II remasters for less than a tenner now, even the 2CDs. They were >overpriced, however. I can see EMI bringing the price down to make sure >it's their stuff that gets picked in that situation, all the same. Yeah, I've noticed this too. I've picked up some good EMI UK reissues recently at surprisingly reasonable prices (the first 3 Pink Floyd singles on one CD in a gatefold cardboard sleeve ... YUM!). > You do also appear to be right about the Voiceprint royalties, >as I say, so that does explain a lot. And of course we know how they >can afford to pay those royalties, right, because they aren't exactly >running a high-cost quality operation here. Yes, that definitely uncovers part of the mystery. I guess you get to pick two items out of three when you select your reissue label: 1) Reasonably priced CD's 2) Good royalties paid 3) Quality product > I do like _Text of Festival_ even if there's a reason that >second LP has never made it to CD (cor dear it's ropey, and not just >for dropouts and fading... ), ... but I still love it, warts and all, since it presents a fully-jamming side of Hawkwind that no other official release (except the Watchfield Festival snippet on Anthology/Acid Daze) comes close to. >but _Yuri Gagarin_ is unparalleledly awful No disagreement there! >and it annoys me a great deal that I have to have it just so I >can occasionally play `Wage War' and `In The Egg', because nothing else >on there is audible enough to be worth the candle. I'm afraid I rarely even listen to those two. Fortunately, there's sort of an alternate version of "Wage War" in the middle of the Hawklords (Weird 104) version of "Urban Guerilla" ... the words are almost the same. >And again, "what it >is" is not stated on the sleeve. I have a copy which does say inside, >"The quality is sometimes raw...", which must be Dave Anderson's >biggest ever understatement and has boring grey artwork but it was >going at full album price when I first saw it (I got it at half >eventually) and the numerous subsequent issues have shiny artwork and >no such indication that what you're about to listen might be awful. So, >yes, that is where we disagree, quite strongly too, though obviously >amicably as all get out :-) I *think* we agree on this part? I'm all for the packaging accurately representing the contents. Do we differ in that the endless reissuing of the same material over-and-over annoys me much more than the sound quality? > Well, we know from _This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic_ what the >sound *should* be like... now if they take it from an off-speed fifth- >generation audience tape with glass-swallowing dog on it I might be >less enthusiastic... Can't argue with that! (And hey, shouldn't we be arguing "Dave vs. Nik" this week instead of "Voiceprint sorta sux vs. Voiceprint sorta roolez"?) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 13 20:58:54 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:58:54 -0400 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:05:42 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, >present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in >their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are >stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick >instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. I will heartily endorse both of those selections! Both are obtainable in the USA at specialty stores and the like. Actually, the pub across the street from where I went to college in Baltimore had Ram Rod and Double Diamond on tap, as well as Anchor Steam to represent yankee microbrews. That was my introduction to "good" beer, which has had a rather strong affect on me since then, I fear. > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in other >parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ >drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions on >this subject :-) Beer and Hawkwind are definitely two things worth having strong opinions on :^). >ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) Surely you can't get Black Label (one of the strongest cheap-beers-in-a-can besides OE800/King Cobra/etc. Malt Liquor) in the UK?!? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Aug 13 21:25:47 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:25:47 EDT Subject: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/2002 6:14:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET writes: << Why doesn't Led Zeppelin sue Dread Zeppelin? >> If I'm not mistaken,..I think they did! b From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Aug 13 23:13:16 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:16 +0800 Subject: OFF: another rock star behaving badly Message-ID: Adam Adamant was great! There's 2 episodes out on DVD too. I think I read somewhere that Adam Ant did get his name from it. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: Re: OFF: another rock star behaving badly > Goodness me - is he still around! I remember Adam Ant. In fact, > worse probably, I also remember a bizarre TV series called Adam > Adamant - not related (unless he took his name from it) but - wow - it > does bring back a 60s moment!! 8-) > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Pearson > > > from: > > http://news.yahoo.com/news? > > > tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020813/en_nm/crime_britain_ant_ > dc_2 > > > > > > Singer Adam Ant Admits 'Cowboy' Incident > > Tue Aug 13, 9:30 AM ET > > > > LONDON (Reuters) - Former British pop star Adam Ant Tuesday admitted > > threatening pub customers who laughed at his cowboy attire and mocked > him > > by humming the theme tune to spaghetti Western "The Good, the Bad and > the > > Ugly." > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 05:15:39 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:15:39 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > > In London I'd go along with that - Landlord's very often rather poor down > here. (They've got it in my local in Stratford and it's often undrinkable), > but get it in West Yorkshire and you'll change your opinion drastically, I > guarantee! :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. However, try it in Durham, significantly north of Yorkshire and it's fairly average again. Obviously it isn't a good "travelling" beer. F. Rat From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 05:21:00 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:21:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Great Expectations Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I wasn't there (wasn't born, help, nice to find *some* forum I > don't feel old in) but I'd have thought so. All that damn Mellotron, I > remember someone (maybe even you, but I think actually one of our > Marks) saying how he threw _Sonic Attack_ at the wall shouting something > like, "Bloody Tangerine Dream wannabes", and I can't help thinking a few > people must have got HotMG and gone, "Nooooo! Don't be King Crimson! Be > Hawkwind! Argh!" Anyone know what I mean? > > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) Have to say although I personally was disappointed by Sonic Attack on first hearing I have warmed *significantly* to it over the years I have had someone elses copy of it left amongst my prized vinyl. I would even go so far as calling it almost a HW "classic" and don't argue at all with its place at the entrance portal to the HW Console!! F. Rat From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 05:27:44 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:27:44 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: > > > > In London I'd go along with that - Landlord's very often rather poor down > > here. (They've got it in my local in Stratford and it's often undrinkable), > > but get it in West Yorkshire and you'll change your opinion drastically, I > > guarantee! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > However, try it in Durham, significantly north of Yorkshire and it's > fairly average again. Obviously it isn't a good "travelling" beer. > It doesn't seem to travel well - you're right, although I've had some great pints of it in the Cooperage in Newcastle. (Mind you, I had some great pints of Castle Eden Ale in Durham - just goes to show!) :-) I'm a huge fan of the concept of drinking local beer. In London, I drink Youngs or Fullers, in Yorkshire I'll drink Taylors, Tetley or Black Sheep, in Liverpool I'll drink anything that comes in a heavy bottle that I can use to defend myself... (Oh, and in Alnwick I'll drink Theakston Black Bull - because that's the only place I can ever find it!) Cheers, Rich. From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 06:53:49 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:49 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > > In London I'd go along with that - Landlord's very often rather poor > down > > > here. (They've got it in my local in Stratford and it's often > undrinkable), > > > but get it in West Yorkshire and you'll change your opinion drastically, > I > > > guarantee! :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > However, try it in Durham, significantly north of Yorkshire and it's > > fairly average again. Obviously it isn't a good "travelling" beer. > > > > It doesn't seem to travel well - you're right, although I've had some great > pints of it in the Cooperage in Newcastle. > (Mind you, I had some great pints of Castle Eden Ale in Durham - just goes > to show!) :-) > > I'm a huge fan of the concept of drinking local beer. In London, I drink > Youngs or Fullers, in Yorkshire I'll drink Taylors, Tetley or Black Sheep, > in Liverpool I'll drink anything that comes in a heavy bottle that I can use > to defend myself... (Oh, and in Alnwick I'll drink Theakston Black Bull - > because that's the only place I can ever find it!) > > Cheers, > > Rich. Mr Lockwood, since you mention both Newcastle and Durham in your e-mail, are you local to the North-East?? Reason I ask is I live in Gateshead and find local hawkwind fans thin on the ground (though plenty of beer drinkers!!) Mark (F. Rat) Forster From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 07:03:46 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:03:46 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: > > > Mr Lockwood, since you mention both Newcastle and Durham in your e-mail, > are you local to the North-East?? Reason I ask is I live in Gateshead > and find local hawkwind fans thin on the ground (though plenty of beer > drinkers!!) :-) Sadly not - I'm in London thee days, but I spent about six years or so living in Newcastle after going to University there in 1985 (and getting kicked out fairly shortly afterwards). I still visit every now and again. >From Huddersfield originally. One of my best mates up there is a huge Hawkwind fan though... Cheers, Rich. From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 05:24:52 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:24:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: "f. rat" wrote: > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > Tim Elliott writes: > > > > > How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band > > > and calling it XNIK ??? > > > > He could call his court appeal "PikNik". > > > > FoFP > > Surprised Dave hasn't thought of calling him DikNik! Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! F. Rat From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 14 07:23:37 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:23:37 EDT Subject: Off: Absinthe In-Reply-To: <200208140058.UAA03460@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 13 Aug 2002, at 20:58, Doug Pearson wrote: > >ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing > >coincidence... ) > > Surely you can't get Black Label (one of the strongest > cheap-beers-in-a-can besides OE800/King Cobra/etc. Malt Liquor) in the > UK?!? > Is Black Label still around? Haven't seen it in years, though my old man used to drink it when I was a whelp. Don't remember it being a strong beer... theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 07:48:03 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:48:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200208140051.UAA03366@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200208140051.UAA03366 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: >> EBS didn't actually issue anything after that, so you could say >>they never got the chance. _Distant Horizons_ wasn't ready but it >>doesn't sound bad, it just sounds unfinished to me. > >Yes, either a rough mix, or a non-mastered final mix. Hmmm.... I always suspected it was further from being a finished product than that. "Clouded Vision" sounds like it was still awaiting the rest of the band's input, especially if you've heard it live, when it has, like, drums and everything. And "Love In Space" was awaiting vocals I would think- although that one's fine by me as I much prefer it as an instrumental. Granted there are other tracks which sound more complete, but I still wish it were possible to hear it as the band intended- I think it would be an excellent album. > I seriously doubt that EMI >would feel the least bit threatened by any Voiceprint release (they seemed >to have no problem getting Weird 106 pulled for containing EMI-era >material, which I strongly suspect is the reason for its deletion [I can >think of only one other plausible explanation]). Something beginning with L ? -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 08:40:58 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:40:58 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong In-Reply-To: <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118@se1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co m>, DRider writes >The Reality of Gong > >By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! Anyway, the point: >Gilli Smyth > This English gal Isn't she Welsh? -- Nick Medford From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 08:53:24 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:53:24 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Nick, Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( not that that counts for much). What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great drummer. There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs for xmas......... Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... I am him, he is you , you are him, Regards iain nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: >In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co >m>, DRider writes > > >>The Reality of Gong >> >>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com >> >> > >Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! > >Anyway, the point: > > > >>Gilli Smyth >> >> > > > >>This English gal >> >> > >Isn't she Welsh? >-- >Nick Medford > > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 05:12:15 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:12:15 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Ever tried "Rudolph's Piss" - available one Xmas at a pub in Gateshead I seem to remember it was something like 9% abv. I managed one 1/2 pint along with a very moderate amount of other beers before becoming very giggly indeed!!!!!! F. Rat Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > Sorry. > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like Double > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of taste > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age groups > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very distinctive-tasting > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have something > I'd rather drink. > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, > present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in > their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are > stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick > instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in other > parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ > drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions on > this subject :-) Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 11:22:45 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:22:45 EDT Subject: Calling Rik? Message-ID: Hey Rik, Was purusing the Hawkwind Lyrics page tonight and canna find "The right to decide?" Looked under "R" "T" and the "THE" section. It aint there..... Im not drunk or ripped either From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 11:26:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:26:35 EDT Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Carling black label and that silky smooth variety are on the top of my list. In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:21:38 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > Ever tried "Rudolph's Piss" - available one Xmas at a pub in Gateshead I > seem to remember it was something like 9% abv. I managed one 1/2 pint > along with a very moderate amount of other beers before becoming very > giggly indeed!!!!!! > > F. Rat > > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like Double > > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of taste > > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age groups > > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very distinctive-tasting > > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have something > > I'd rather drink. > > > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, > > present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in > > their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are > > stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick > > instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > > > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in other > > parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ > > drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions on > > this subject :-) Yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Aug 14 12:15:24 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:15:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:48:03 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >Something beginning with L ? ------------------------------------------------ Largactil...the little white ones. "W", "W", "W" for white? Steve From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Aug 14 10:44:48 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:48 -0300 Subject: OEB recap: Urban Word 8/13/02 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops: 8/13/02 Urban Word, Trenton, New Jersey U.S.A. I can't say enough good things about last night's appearance or the 'Urban Word' itself. The venue is top class, and situated smack in the middle of inner city Trenton. The club is part of a growing urban renewal movement in that part of town. Outside, one sees all the sights of the struggle for survival, inside you feel like you are in an 'upscale establishment', so it's an interesting dichotomy. I highly recommend the place, check it out at: www.urbanword.com As for the 'set', things could not have gone better. We had a great audience, and we were joined by four other musicians for the last tune ( which just happened to be 'Hurry On Sundown'. The place totally came alive, and we made some nice contacts. The tunes were: Smokestack Lightning All Night Worker Hurry On Sundown * lineup: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar & vocals Jay Adcock: djembe * additional musicians on 'Hurry On Sundown' Adam Klein: bones Constance Cook: djembe Agnes Marsala: djembe Unknown: butter knives Adam Klein & Constance Cook are: 'Little Blue Heron' Thanks to everyone!!!! cheers!!!! Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Aug 14 12:56:06 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:56:06 -0500 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Just out of interest, any idea where the gong mailing list resides? Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > Nick, > > Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( > not that that counts for much). > What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell > deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and > Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem > to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great > drummer. > > There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs > for xmas......... > > Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... > > I am him, he is you , you are him, > > Regards > iain > > nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: > > >In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co > >m>, DRider writes > > > > > >>The Reality of Gong > >> > >>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com > >> > >> > > > >Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! > > > >Anyway, the point: > > > > > > > >>Gilli Smyth > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>This English gal > >> > >> > > > >Isn't she Welsh? > >-- > >Nick Medford > > > > From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 13:15:43 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:15:43 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Hi Rich, www.planetgong.co.uk If you sign in there you'll get updates from the very friendly hipity hopity Jonny from GAS.. Regards Iain rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: >Just out of interest, any idea where the gong mailing list resides? > >Rich W >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Iain Ferguson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 AM >Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > >>Nick, >> >>Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( >>not that that counts for much). >>What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell >>deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and >>Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem >>to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great >>drummer. >> >>There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs >>for xmas......... >> >>Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... >> >>I am him, he is you , you are him, >> >>Regards >>iain >> >>nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: >> >> >> >>>In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co >>>m>, DRider writes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The Reality of Gong >>>> >>>>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! >>> >>>Anyway, the point: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Gilli Smyth >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>This English gal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Isn't she Welsh? >>>-- >>>Nick Medford >>> >>> >>> >>> From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Aug 14 14:00:47 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:00:47 -0500 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: What about discussion lists similar to boc-l? Is there one? Yeah Jonny is a nice guy, he's done the merchandising ate every Gong and related gig I've ever been to, he always has wonderful gear :-) I'm trying to pin down how much Daevid Allens - Good Morning CD is currently valued at. I think it's similar to those Virgin Hawk CDs, came out the same time, only a few copies were pressed though before it was deleted. I've only ever seen 2 copies the in the 13 years I've been a Gong Fan. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > Hi Rich, > > www.planetgong.co.uk > > If you sign in there you'll get updates from the very friendly hipity > hopity Jonny from GAS.. > > Regards > Iain > > rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: > > >Just out of interest, any idea where the gong mailing list resides? > > > >Rich W > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Iain Ferguson" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 AM > >Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > > > > > > >>Nick, > >> > >>Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( > >>not that that counts for much). > >>What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell > >>deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and > >>Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem > >>to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great > >>drummer. > >> > >>There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs > >>for xmas......... > >> > >>Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... > >> > >>I am him, he is you , you are him, > >> > >>Regards > >>iain > >> > >>nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co > >>>m>, DRider writes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>The Reality of Gong > >>>> > >>>>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! > >>> > >>>Anyway, the point: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Gilli Smyth > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>This English gal > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Isn't she Welsh? > >>>-- > >>>Nick Medford > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 06:56:41 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:56:41 +0100 Subject: Hawkcover site Message-ID: Just thought I'd take the opportunity yet again to plug my web site, particularly the page which contains my cover of Motorhead in mp3 and RA formats, and a couple of tunes of my own!! F. Rat Oops - it's at http://www.fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 14:21:37 2002 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:21:37 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Hi Rich, strange you should ask that, I purchased my second copy of Good Morning a couple of months back from a dude in NY. He charged me $10.00 (ten) inc shipping. to the UK. Was very lucky to find it at all, let alone at such a silly price.....My original dated back to when it was released and has been missing in action for 7 years, and it took that long to get this latest copy You can get the vinyl more easily Managed to get it from Ebay..... You could check out record collector magazine online as i've bought Gong stuff through there without a problem. URL : http://www.recordcollectormag.com/ If I see it about I'll give you a nod... Regards Iain rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: >What about discussion lists similar to boc-l? Is there one? Yeah Jonny is a >nice guy, he's done the merchandising ate every Gong and related gig I've >ever been to, he always has wonderful gear :-) > >I'm trying to pin down how much Daevid Allens - Good Morning CD is currently >valued at. I think it's similar to those Virgin Hawk CDs, came out the same >time, only a few copies were pressed though before it was deleted. I've >only ever seen 2 copies the in the 13 years I've been a Gong Fan. > >Rich W > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Iain Ferguson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:15 PM >Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > >>Hi Rich, >> >>www.planetgong.co.uk >> >>If you sign in there you'll get updates from the very friendly hipity >>hopity Jonny from GAS.. >> >>Regards >>Iain >> >>rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: >> >> >> >>>Just out of interest, any idea where the gong mailing list resides? >>> >>>Rich W >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Iain Ferguson" >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 AM >>>Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Nick, >>>> >>>>Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( >>>>not that that counts for much). >>>>What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell >>>>deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and >>>>Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem >>>>to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great >>>>drummer. >>>> >>>>There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs >>>>for xmas......... >>>> >>>>Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... >>>> >>>>I am him, he is you , you are him, >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>iain >>>> >>>>nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co >>>>>m>, DRider writes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The Reality of Gong >>>>>> >>>>>>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, the point: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Gilli Smyth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>This English gal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Isn't she Welsh? >>>>>-- >>>>>Nick Medford >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 14:27:31 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:27:31 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong In-Reply-To: <000601c243bc$85237000$6bacacac@b> Message-ID: In message <000601c243bc$85237000$6bacacac at b>, Rich Warren writes >What about discussion lists similar to boc-l? Is there one? There was a group: potheadpixie at yahoogroups.com However it seems to have lapsed into silence- I think a new one has taken its place but I don't have the details. Failing that, there's a chatroom on the www.planetgong.co.uk website which is apparently quite active, though I haven't checked it out, but I believe people gather there at 21:00 hours (traditional Gong time for meeting of minds). There's also a Usenet group alt.music.planet-gong: this used to be quite active but there haven't been any posts there for a while. However an on- topic post often brings a few people out of the woodwork. hope this helps -- Nick Medford From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Aug 14 19:37:55 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:37:55 +0000 Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: Hi ya, Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning... I had had a nightmare! {true} I dreampt I was chatting to Nik in the audience of some open air gig or festival , so it was OK untill I realised the band that was starting to play was "Ginger Bakers XHawkwind" featuring Ginger Baker, Ginger Baker and Ginger Baker. ARRRRGGGGG NO!!! I awoke before the bad vibes killed me. Am I sick or wot? Chris From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 18:32:43 2002 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:32:43 +0100 Subject: HW: White Zone for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody want to buy a copy of Psychedelic Warriors' CD - White Zone. This was the alternative name for Dave, Alan & Richard at the time (96-ish?) It's in one of those funny cardboard gatefold sleeves. Please e-mail me with offer if interested. Cheers, Jez From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 19:06:09 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:06:09 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Hang on, what did I say earlier? Oh yeah, HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! I'm going to come round your neighbourhood and tell everyone that you're a lager drinker... :-) If you'd like a lesson in beer, feel free to come out for a night with me, Carl and Andy Gilham... (Carl has taken some teaching, but these days he's got a pretty good idea....) Cheers, Rich. > Carling black label and that silky smooth variety are on the top of my list. > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:21:38 AEDT, "f. rat" writes: > > > Ever tried "Rudolph's Piss" - available one Xmas at a pub in Gateshead I > > seem to remember it was something like 9% abv. I managed one 1/2 pint > > along with a very moderate amount of other beers before becoming very > > giggly indeed!!!!!! > > > > F. Rat > > > > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > > > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like Double > > > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > > > > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of taste > > > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age groups > > > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very distinctive-tasting > > > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have something > > > I'd rather drink. > > > > > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > > > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, > > > present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in > > > their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are > > > stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick > > > instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > > > > > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in other > > > parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ > > > drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions on > > > this subject :-) Yours, > > > Jon > > > > > > ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) > > > -- > > > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 19:09:18 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:09:18 +0100 Subject: Sort of OFF: Dreams Message-ID: Think yourself lucky. I wolke up the other morning after a dream that Dave Grohl (Nirvana/Foo Fighters) had been eaten by crocodiles, and the Government had declared a bank holiday as a national day of morning. When I woke up I had to check news.bbc.co.uk, it was that realistic. That's what you get for staying comletely sober for a day. Never again. Cheers, Rich. > Hi ya, > > Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning... I had had a nightmare! > {true} > > I dreampt I was chatting to Nik in the audience of some open air gig or > festival From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 19:14:32 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:14:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dave Grohl and Crocodiles. Message-ID: Hmm. I'm obviously a bit pissed (as well as having a shit keyboard). Obviously, I meant "woke", "mourning" and "completely". Cheers, Rich. > Think yourself lucky. I wolke up the other morning after a dream that Dave > Grohl (Nirvana/Foo Fighters) had been eaten by crocodiles, and the > Government had declared a bank holiday as a national day of morning. When I > woke up I had to check news.bbc.co.uk, it was that realistic. > > That's what you get for staying comletely sober for a day. Never again. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Hi ya, > > > > Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning... I had had a nightmare! > > {true} > > > > I dreampt I was chatting to Nik in the audience of some open air gig or > > festival > From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 14 19:53:00 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:53:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > F. Rat From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 14 19:55:04 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:55:04 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Gilli fans like me and you will be delighted when the CD Services website starts up - won't be long now................. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > Hi Rich, > > www.planetgong.co.uk > > If you sign in there you'll get updates from the very friendly hipity > hopity Jonny from GAS.. > > Regards > Iain > > rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM wrote: > > >Just out of interest, any idea where the gong mailing list resides? > > > >Rich W > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Iain Ferguson" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 AM > >Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > > > > > > >>Nick, > >> > >>Not sure on that.always had an English voice when I've spoken to her ( > >>not that that counts for much). > >>What I can say is that the first time i saw a picture of Gilli I fell > >>deeply in love with her and still am ( please dont tell my wife ) and > >>Gong are just breath taking when in the best of form, which they seem > >>to be now they have a Gwpo & theo playing with them, let alone a great > >>drummer. > >> > >>There are in Oz still at this time, due back in Oct so hopefully gigs > >>for xmas......... > >> > >>Daevid is definately the man in the moon, I am under his spell...... > >> > >>I am him, he is you , you are him, > >> > >>Regards > >>iain > >> > >>nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>In message <00d601c24315$de1e5820$e7428118 at se1.client2.attbi.co > >>>m>, DRider writes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>The Reality of Gong > >>>> > >>>>By Aly Constine mailto:aly at pauserecord.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Much as I like Gong, this portrayal is a little OTT ! > >>> > >>>Anyway, the point: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Gilli Smyth > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>This English gal > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Isn't she Welsh? > >>>-- > >>>Nick Medford > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 19:58:14 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:58:14 +0100 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! Message-ID: > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! Indeed. Provided Dave could get him to stop when required... Imagine the scene - anyone who was at the Hawkestra at Brixton will know what I'm wittering on about... "Nik, the song's finished." "BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOEEEEOOOOOOEEEEEWWWAAAAHHHHH" "Nik, we've finished - we're doing Silver Machine now, which doesn't require sax." "BWWWWAAAAAAAAOOOEEEEE HONK HONK HONK BWAAAAAAAAAAAA" "Nik, are you listening to me?" "HONK HONK HONK BRRRRRUUUPPPPPP..." "Nik, would you kindly play that penny whistle thing please?" "ppphhhhrrreeeeeeppppp HONK HONK HONK" "Ideally not at the same time as the Selmar Mk 6 tenor sax that you're so proud of." "PPPHHHRRRRRRTTTTTT, frrreeeeeeppppp, HONK HONK HONK" *wawawawawawawaaaaaashhweeeeeeweeeeshhhhooooowwweeeeoooeeeeoooeeeblangablang ablanga...* "I, I just took a ride..." "HONK HONK HONK I've got a lizard costume dontcha know HONK HONK HONK HONJK (I'm big in Belgium)" "Right ladies and gentlemen, we're going home. We hope you've enjoyed the show, good night." "HONK HONK BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BONES OF ELVIS BWWWWAAAA HONK HONK ppphhreeeeeeeeeep." *click* "Dave? Dave? Who turned out the lights?" Yup. I can see that working. ;-) Cheers, Rich. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 14 20:14:16 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:14:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Stare out In-Reply-To: <00c301c242ed$81164d40$3aad6fd4@lucidzoo>; from starfield@SUPANET.COM on Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 06:18:55PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 06:18:55PM +0100, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > This is well funny... > > > Film: Don't Mock Cock Rock, BBC2 11pm. > Starring Dave Brock and Andy Dudley. Britains number 1 stare-master makes an > ill-advised acting debut in this ham fisted retro drama about a psychedelic > space rock group Nik et al > who turn to crime and attempt to steal the crown jewels a particular disputed trademark > and then sell them to Libyan leader Corneal Gadaffi. Wouldn't get much for it. What use would *he* have for the rights to the name of some rock band? All :-) of course. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 14 20:27:28 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:27:28 -0400 Subject: OEB recap: Urban Word 8/13/02 In-Reply-To: ; from sloterdijk@MSN.COM on Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 11:44:48AM -0300 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 11:44:48AM -0300, Burro Mike wrote: > * additional musicians on 'Hurry On Sundown' > > Adam Klein: bones > Constance Cook: djembe > Agnes Marsala: djembe > Unknown: butter knives Cool; that'd rock! - Eric (aspiring djembe player) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 14 20:48:35 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <3D591473.BBC91753@blueyonder.co.uk>; from hawkthing@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 03:15:15PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 03:15:15PM +0100, f. rat wrote: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > Tim Elliott writes: > > > > > How's about everyone who used to play with Nik forming a band > > > and calling it XNIK ??? > > > > He could call his court appeal "PikNik". > > > > FoFP > > Surprised Dave hasn't thought of calling him DikNik! He'd just get sued again :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:08:55 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:55 EDT Subject: FAO Hawkwind Band: NikWar Spam Message-ID: I recomend a month long holiday in sunny Jamaica. Smoke fat joints hourly or as required. Sit on the beach and drink pina Coladas frequently lol In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:40:06 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi ya, > > Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning... I had had a nightmare! > {true} > > I dreampt I was chatting to Nik in the audience of some open air gig or > festival > , so it was OK untill I realised the band that was starting to play was > "Ginger Bakers XHawkwind" featuring Ginger Baker, Ginger Baker and > Ginger Baker. ARRRRGGGGG NO!!! I awoke before the bad vibes killed > me. > > Am I sick or wot? > > Chris From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 14 21:13:34 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:13:34 -0400 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! In-Reply-To: <042401c243ee$75f93920$882a27d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:58:14AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:58:14AM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > Indeed. Provided Dave could get him to stop when required... > > Imagine the scene - anyone who was at the Hawkestra at Brixton will know > what I'm wittering on about... > [Hilarious story clipped] ROTFL! > "Right ladies and gentlemen, we're going home. We hope you've enjoyed the > show, good night." > > "HONK HONK BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BONES OF ELVIS BWWWWAAAA HONK HONK > ppphhreeeeeeeeeep." It literally happened at SD'97. After guesting with HW (he'd already headlined the night before), he came back on afterwards for a solo encore, with a broken leg yet. He ended up playing unplugged -- because the roadies gave up waiting, unplugged him, and started tearing down around him. After numerous HW classics, "This one's NOT a Hawkwind song..." he said, and launched into "In the Mood" ICU-style. By "Masters", he was so out of breath he could barely play. Looking back on it, the whole thing reminds me of the Labrador retriever we had when I was a kid. As long as you kept throwing that stick out into the lake, she'd keep swimming out after it, even when she was exhausted -- gasping and wheezing and coughing. It never occurred to me at that age that she'd had enough but was waiting for *me* to stop; I just figured, as long as she wants to play, I'll keep throwing the stick for her. Good thing I always got bored before the poor dog had a heart attack, or collapsed from sheer exhaustion out in the water. > *click* > > "Dave? Dave? Who turned out the lights?" Wouldn't happen. He'd just keep playing on in the dark! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:13:23 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:13:23 EDT Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Have you suddenly turned into Rik Mayals "bottom" character? LoL HAHAHAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHH HAHAHAH HAAAAAAARRRRRGH HAAAAA HAAAAA..... sorry about that...... A wee bit more time and the sampling will continue. Of course if you wanna educate me on the finer points of beer drinking and are paying I would not complain.:) Cheers ole bean!! In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:03 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Hang on, what did I say earlier? > > Oh yeah, > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > I'm going to come round your neighbourhood and tell everyone that you're a > lager drinker... > > :-) > > If you'd like a lesson in beer, feel free to come out for a night with me, > Carl and Andy Gilham... (Carl has taken some teaching, but these days he's > got a pretty good idea....) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > Carling black label and that silky smooth variety are on the top of my > list. > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:21:38 AEDT, "f. rat" > writes: > > > > > Ever tried "Rudolph's Piss" - available one Xmas at a pub in Gateshead I > > > seem to remember it was something like 9% abv. I managed one 1/2 pint > > > along with a very moderate amount of other beers before becoming very > > > giggly indeed!!!!!! > > > > > > F. Rat > > > > > > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > > > > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > > > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like > Double > > > > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > > > > > > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of > taste > > > > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age > groups > > > > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very > distinctive-tasting > > > > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have > something > > > > I'd rather drink. > > > > > > > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > > > > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they > do, > > > > present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist > in > > > > their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they > are > > > > stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old > Nick > > > > instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in > other > > > > parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ > > > > drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions > on > > > > this subject :-) Yours, > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing > coincidence... ) > > > > -- > > > > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > > > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom > Waits) > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:16:57 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:16:57 EDT Subject: Sort of OFF: Dreams Message-ID: I had a wicked dream about a week before the Hawkestra gig. I dreamed that I was in the audience at the gig and they had a holographic projection of Bob Calvert performing songs from the B.C. era as part of the night long set. Actually there were two projections. One on each side of the stage. So everyone could see I guess? In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:11:27 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Think yourself lucky. I wolke up the other morning after a dream that Dave > Grohl (Nirvana/Foo Fighters) had been eaten by crocodiles, and the > Government had declared a bank holiday as a national day of morning. When I > woke up I had to check news.bbc.co.uk, it was that realistic. > > That's what you get for staying comletely sober for a day. Never again. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Hi ya, > > > > Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning... I had had a nightmare! > > {true} > > > > I dreampt I was chatting to Nik in the audience of some open air gig or > > festival From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:18:26 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:18:26 EDT Subject: Sort of OFF: Dreams Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:11:27 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Think yourself lucky. I wolke up the other morning after a dream that Dave > Grohl (Nirvana/Foo Fighters) had been eaten by crocodiles, and the > Government had declared a bank holiday as a national day of morning. When I > woke up I had to check news.bbc.co.uk, it was that realistic. > > That's what you get for staying comletely sober for a day. Never again. > > Cheers, > > Rich. Smoke weed. Its better for you all round. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:19:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:19:48 EDT Subject: OFF: Dave Grohl and Crocodiles. Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:16:33 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Hmm. I'm obviously a bit pissed (as well as having a shit keyboard). > Obviously, I meant "woke", "mourning" and "completely". > > Cheers, > > Rich. If it happens again you'll have ten points taken off your drinkers licence and be forced to drink light beer. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:21:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:21:04 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: They seemed friendly enough on the channel 4 prog rock special (interview) In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:49:05 AEDT, Andrew Garibaldi writes: > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "f. rat" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > F. Rat From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 21:24:16 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:24:16 EDT Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! Message-ID: LmAo!!! In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:00:10 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > Indeed. Provided Dave could get him to stop when required... > > Imagine the scene - anyone who was at the Hawkestra at Brixton will know > what I'm wittering on about... > > > "Nik, the song's finished." > > "BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOEEEEOOOOOOEEEEEWWWAAAAHHHHH" > > "Nik, we've finished - we're doing Silver Machine now, which doesn't require > sax." > > "BWWWWAAAAAAAAOOOEEEEE HONK HONK HONK BWAAAAAAAAAAAA" > > "Nik, are you listening to me?" > > "HONK HONK HONK BRRRRRUUUPPPPPP..." > > "Nik, would you kindly play that penny whistle thing please?" > > "ppphhhhrrreeeeeeppppp HONK HONK HONK" > > "Ideally not at the same time as the Selmar Mk 6 tenor sax that you're so > proud of." > > "PPPHHHRRRRRRTTTTTT, frrreeeeeeppppp, HONK HONK HONK" > > > *wawawawawawawaaaaaashhweeeeeeweeeeshhhhooooowwweeeeoooeeeeoooeeeblangablang > ablanga...* > > "I, I just took a ride..." > > "HONK HONK HONK I've got a lizard costume dontcha know HONK HONK HONK HONJK > (I'm big in Belgium)" > > "Right ladies and gentlemen, we're going home. We hope you've enjoyed the > show, good night." > > "HONK HONK BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BONES OF ELVIS BWWWWAAAA HONK HONK > ppphhreeeeeeeeeep." > > *click* > > "Dave? Dave? Who turned out the lights?" > > Yup. I can see that working. > > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 21:24:04 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:24:04 +0100 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! Message-ID: > > ROTFL! * blush * > > > "Right ladies and gentlemen, we're going home. We hope you've enjoyed the > > show, good night." > > > > "HONK HONK BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BONES OF ELVIS BWWWWAAAA HONK HONK > > ppphhreeeeeeeeeep." > > It literally happened at SD'97. After guesting with HW (he'd > already headlined the night before), he came back on afterwards > for a solo encore, with a broken leg yet. He ended up playing > unplugged -- because the roadies gave up waiting, unplugged him, > and started tearing down around him. > > After numerous HW classics, "This one's NOT a Hawkwind song..." > he said, and launched into "In the Mood" ICU-style. Which you have to admit is a classic. :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 21:25:37 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:25:37 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe Message-ID: Right you are - I got myself a job yesterday, so give it a month or so for me to get paid, then the first couple of rounds are on me. First round, Marston's "Merrie Monk". Cheers, Rich. > Have you suddenly turned into Rik Mayals "bottom" character? LoL > HAHAHAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHH > HAHAHAH HAAAAAAARRRRRGH > HAAAAA HAAAAA..... > sorry about that...... > A wee bit more time and the sampling will continue. > Of course if you wanna educate me on the finer points of beer drinking and are paying I would not complain.:) > Cheers ole bean!! > > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:03 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > > > Hang on, what did I say earlier? > > > > Oh yeah, > > > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > I'm going to come round your neighbourhood and tell everyone that you're a > > lager drinker... > > > > :-) > > > > If you'd like a lesson in beer, feel free to come out for a night with me, > > Carl and Andy Gilham... (Carl has taken some teaching, but these days he's > > got a pretty good idea....) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > Carling black label and that silky smooth variety are on the top of my > > list. > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:21:38 AEDT, "f. rat" > > writes: > > > > > > > Ever tried "Rudolph's Piss" - available one Xmas at a pub in Gateshead I > > > > seem to remember it was something like 9% abv. I managed one 1/2 pint > > > > along with a very moderate amount of other beers before becoming very > > > > giggly indeed!!!!!! > > > > > > > > F. Rat > > > > > > > > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:04:00AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > > > > > > HAHAHAHAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best beers in England (and indeed the world) are to be found at > > > > > > http://www.timothy-taylor.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being in Oz I haven't tried too many British beers but I do like > > Double > > > > > > > Diamond and a good Guinness. > > > > > > > > > > This fixation with Landlord, inexplicable on the grounds of > > taste > > > > > or quality, seems to be an affliction of individuals across all age > > groups > > > > > and incapable of a rational explanation. It's a very > > distinctive-tasting > > > > > beer but I've almost never found it in a pub that didn't have > > something > > > > > I'd rather drink. > > > > > > > > > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > > > > > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they > > do, > > > > > present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist > > in > > > > > their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they > > are > > > > > stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old > > Nick > > > > > instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not going to suggest that Ram Rod is the best beer in > > other > > > > > parts of the island for fear of being struck down by a mob of 80/ > > > > > drinkers, but if it weren't for them I might. I have strong opinions > > on > > > > > this subject :-) Yours, > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing > > coincidence... ) > > > > > -- > > > > > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > > > > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom > > Waits) > > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 21:29:35 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:29:35 +0100 Subject: Sort of OFF: Dreams Message-ID: > > > Think yourself lucky. I wolke up the other morning after a dream that Dave > > Grohl (Nirvana/Foo Fighters) had been eaten by crocodiles, and the > > Government had declared a bank holiday as a national day of morning. When I > > woke up I had to check news.bbc.co.uk, it was that realistic. > > > > That's what you get for staying comletely sober for a day. Never again. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > Smoke weed. Its better for you all round. Naah. I gave that up years ago. No particular reason, but I was coming up with great lyrics and songs when I was dropping off to sleep, and then forgetting them by the morning. So one night I went to bed with a pad of paper and a pen next to my bed. Sure enough, I woke up with some great lyrics, which I managed to write down. Next morning, I looked at my pad of paper. The best way to describe what was on it is "mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm". Maybe that's just my handwriting... Beer and tabs for me since. :-) Cheers, Rich. (That's "tabs" as in "cigarettes", not what you might think!) :-) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 21:30:15 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:30:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dave Grohl and Crocodiles. Message-ID: > > > Hmm. I'm obviously a bit pissed (as well as having a shit keyboard). > > Obviously, I meant "woke", "mourning" and "completely". > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > If it happens again you'll have ten points taken off your drinkers licence and be forced to drink light beer. > I'm sorry. Anything but that... :-) R. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 14 19:56:08 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:56:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Hopefully if it happens Nik won't get sacked again. Ha!Ha!Ha! Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "f. rat" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > F. Rat From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 21:45:26 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:45:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Let's face it - the one thing Nik would like more than anything is to be in Hawkwind again. IMHO he's never come to terms with the fact that he isn't any more. Sad but (only my guess) true. Cheers, Rich. > Hopefully if it happens Nik won't get sacked again. Ha!Ha!Ha! Cheers STEPHE > > > > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > > Andy G. > > > > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > > > F. Rat > From djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Aug 15 02:18:55 2002 From: djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (King of Comedy) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:18:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: REMEMBER THIS. THE REAL VILLAIN IN ALL THIS IS CHRIS HEWITT, IT BEING HE WHO COMPOSED THE ORIGINAL INSIDIOUS "PRESS RELEASE". NIK WAS PROBABLY HAPPY WITH THE NAME CHANGE, AND IS BEING MANIPULATED TO CARRY THIS THROUGH. MEANTIME, NO-ONE IS MAKING ANY MUSIC!!!!! BOYCOTT OZIT, AND THEIR ATTEMPTS TO GET YOU TO FINANCE THE COURT CASE BY GETTING FANS TO BUY TICKETS FOR A NIK BENEFIT, HOW UNREAL IS THAT???????? IMAGINE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR FUTURE ATTENDANCE OF "REAL HAWKWIND GIGS" FAN VS. FAN? THAT IS WHERE THIS IS HEADED IF YOU LET IT!! DON'T LET THESE PEOPLE HIJACK THE PAST IN ORDER TO RULE YOUR FUTURE! From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 05:50:28 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:50:28 +0100 Subject: Calling Rik? Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > > Hay Rick,hahahahahaha (Soz - F. Rat) > > Was purusing the Hawkwind Lyrics page tonight and canna find "The right to decide?" > > Looked under "R" "T" and the "THE" section. > It aint there..... > > Im not drunk or ripped either From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 05:54:57 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:54:57 +0100 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! Message-ID: lshmafo! F. Rat (translation available under plain brown wrapper) Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > Indeed. Provided Dave could get him to stop when required... > > Imagine the scene - anyone who was at the Hawkestra at Brixton will know > what I'm wittering on about... > > "Nik, the song's finished." > > "BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOEEEEOOOOOOEEEEEWWWAAAAHHHHH" > > "Nik, we've finished - we're doing Silver Machine now, which doesn't require > sax." > > "BWWWWAAAAAAAAOOOEEEEE HONK HONK HONK BWAAAAAAAAAAAA" > > "Nik, are you listening to me?" > > "HONK HONK HONK BRRRRRUUUPPPPPP..." > > "Nik, would you kindly play that penny whistle thing please?" > > "ppphhhhrrreeeeeeppppp HONK HONK HONK" > > "Ideally not at the same time as the Selmar Mk 6 tenor sax that you're so > proud of." > > "PPPHHHRRRRRRTTTTTT, frrreeeeeeppppp, HONK HONK HONK" > > > *wawawawawawawaaaaaashhweeeeeeweeeeshhhhooooowwweeeeoooeeeeoooeeeblangablang > ablanga...* > > "I, I just took a ride..." > > "HONK HONK HONK I've got a lizard costume dontcha know HONK HONK HONK HONJK > (I'm big in Belgium)" > > "Right ladies and gentlemen, we're going home. We hope you've enjoyed the > show, good night." > > "HONK HONK BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BONES OF ELVIS BWWWWAAAA HONK HONK > ppphhreeeeeeeeeep." > > *click* > > "Dave? Dave? Who turned out the lights?" > > Yup. I can see that working. > > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 15 06:09:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:09:48 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Why did he leave in the first place? Michael(Not fully up to speed on all the history)B In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:47:22 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Let's face it - the one thing Nik would like more than anything is to be in > Hawkwind again. IMHO he's never come to terms with the fact that he isn't > any more. > > Sad but (only my guess) true. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > Hopefully if it happens Nik won't get sacked again. Ha!Ha!Ha! Cheers > STEPHE > > > > > > > > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > > > Andy G. > > > > > > > > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > > > > > F. Rat > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 15 07:37:50 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:37:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: That was quite awhile ago. Wasn't that a little after the Hawkestra? Probably before or around Nikestra, which I'm sure started the downward spiral from Uncle Nik. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > They seemed friendly enough on the channel 4 prog rock special (interview) > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:49:05 AEDT, Andrew Garibaldi writes: > > > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "f. rat" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > > > > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > > > F. Rat From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 15 07:39:54 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:39:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: He was sacked!!! Twice. I believe it was his clowning around. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > Why did he leave in the first place? > > Michael(Not fully up to speed on all the history)B > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:47:22 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > > > Let's face it - the one thing Nik would like more than anything is to be in > > Hawkwind again. IMHO he's never come to terms with the fact that he isn't > > any more. > > > > Sad but (only my guess) true. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > Hopefully if it happens Nik won't get sacked again. Ha!Ha!Ha! Cheers > > STEPHE > > > > > > > > > > > > Halle-friggin-lujah!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not agree more > > > > Andy G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually I can't think of a better conclusion to all of this than Dave > > > > > and Nik making it up again and Nik re-appearing playing his amazing > > > > > saxoscope with Dave's Hawks at gigs up and down this fair isle! > > > > > > > > > > F. Rat > > > From hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 05:49:33 2002 From: hawkthing at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:49:33 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: Thanks for the info Rich, I probly don't know your mate for the obvious reason ("You're from Scotland? I've got a friend from Scotland, maybe you know him!!!!") F. Rat Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > > Mr Lockwood, since you mention both Newcastle and Durham in your e-mail, > > are you local to the North-East?? Reason I ask is I live in Gateshead > > and find local hawkwind fans thin on the ground (though plenty of beer > > drinkers!!) > > :-) > > Sadly not - I'm in London thee days, but I spent about six years or so > living in Newcastle after going to University there in 1985 (and getting > kicked out fairly shortly afterwards). I still visit every now and again. > >From Huddersfield originally. One of my best mates up there is a huge > Hawkwind fan though... > > Cheers, > > Rich. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 15 09:13:13 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:13:13 +0100 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: > > Indeed. Provided Dave could get him to stop when required... > > > > Imagine the scene - anyone who was at the Hawkestra at Brixton will know > > what I'm wittering on about... > > > [Hilarious story clipped] > > ROTFL! > It literally happened at SD'97. After guesting with HW (he'd > already headlined the night before), he came back on afterwards > for a solo encore, with a broken leg yet. He ended up playing > unplugged -- because the roadies gave up waiting, unplugged him, > and started tearing down around him. That's nothing. At whatever Stonehenge they played right up the back towards the army barracks (1982 I suspect), they started arguing over what to play next. Nik started playing a different song from Huw and there was fisticuffs on stage. It;s the only Hawkwind gig I ever walked away from in disgust. FoFP From novadrive at COX.NET Thu Aug 15 10:16:13 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:16:13 -0700 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong In-Reply-To: <004a01c243ee$05423e20$5a737ad5@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Which won't be soon enough for those of awaiting Andy Pickford's 'Lughnasad'................. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andrew Garibaldi > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:55 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > Gilli fans like me and you will be delighted when the CD Services website > starts up - won't be long now................. > Andy G. From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Aug 15 12:38:25 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:38:25 -0500 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garibaldi" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > Gilli fans like me and you will be delighted when the CD Services website > starts up - won't be long now................. > Andy G. Andy, we'll believe it when we see it ;-) Rich W From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Aug 15 16:13:07 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:13:07 -0400 Subject: Dave and Nik in "We're mates again" shocker!!! In-Reply-To: <04a501c243fa$73ad08c0$882a27d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:24:04AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:24:04AM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > After numerous HW classics, "This one's NOT a Hawkwind song..." > > he said, and launched into "In the Mood" ICU-style. > > Which you have to admit is a classic. :-) No argument there. Both versions actually -- for rather different definitions of "classic" :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 00:27:14 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:27:14 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: (Alas, mates, it's come to this...) Let me know if you're interested in anything here...I'm mailing w/out cases and the postage costs $2 for the first 5 CD's, $.15 each additional (if outside the States, I'll adjust this a bit). The '96 Remasters are not the digi-packs! All items in fine condition, no promo doo-hickies. If prices seem unreasonable or don't reflect the "current market", let's haggle. Here we go... HAWKWIND: "Hawkwind" One-Way $7 "In Search of Space" One-Way $7 "In Search of Space" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 "Doremi Fasol Latido" One-Way $7 "Space Ritual" double-cd One-Way $10 "Space Ritual" EMI Remaster double-cd w/Bonus-track $20 "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI non-remaster $7 "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 "Warrior on the Edge of Time" Dojo (incl. bootleg "Motorhead") $10 "Quark Strangeness and Charm" Virgin $12 "P.X.R. 5" Virgin $12 "Live '79" Griffin $10 "Levitation" Griffin (incl. "Nuclear Toy") $10 "Sonic Attack" EBS w/bonus tracks $10 "Church of Hawkwind" Griffin w/bonus-tracks $10 "Choose Your Masques" EBS w/bonus-tracks $10 "Zones" Griffin $10 "Zones/Stonehenge" Flicknife (only incl. half of Stonehenge) $10 "Chronicle of the Black Sword" Dojo (incl. live "War I Survived" and "Voice Inside My Head" $10 "Live Chronicles" Griffin double-CD w/bonus tracks $13 "Out and Intake" Griffin (incl. live "Coded Languages" and "Warrior on the Edge of Time") $10 "Xenon Codex" Enigma/GWR $7 "Space Bandits" GWR/Roadrunner $7 "Palace Springs" GWR/Roadrunner $8 "California Brainstorm" ILOKI (promo-stamp front-cover) $10 "Electric Tepee" Griffin $10 "It Is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous" Castle/Essential $8 "The Business Trip" Griffin/EBS $9 "White Zone" (file under Psychedelic Warriors) Griffin/EBS $8 "Alien 4" EBS $9 "Love in Space" Double-CD Digi-pack EBS (skipped a bit on some players) $7 "In Your Area" Griffin $8 "Spacebrock" Hawkwind $12 "Anthology '67-'82" Double-CD Digi-pack w/bonus tracks Castle $12 "Acid Daze Vol. 1" Receiver $5 "Acid Daze Vol. 2" Receiver $5 "Acid Daze Vol. 3" Receiver $5 "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" Magnum $6 "Space Ritual 2" Magnum $8 "Masters of the Universe" Magnum/Thunderbolt-Demi Monde $7 "BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert" Windsong $12 "Space London 1972" Live Storm $10 "Mighty Hawkwind Classics '80-'85" Anagram $9 "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures" (Live '76) Griffin $10 "1999 Party" (Live Chicago '74) EMI $15 "Weird Tapes 1-Dave Brock, Sonic Assassins" Hawkwind/Voiceprint $12 "The Elf and the Hawk" (comp incl. relations and other groups) Black Widow $12 "Travellers Aid Trust" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Flicknife $10 "Strange Daze '97" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Double-CD Pangea $15 "Undisclosed Files-Addendum" (live '84 and '88) Griffin $10 "Friday Rock Show Sessions Live at Reading '86" Raw Fruit $12 "Hawklords Live" Griffin $10 "Best of Friends and Relations" Emporio $7 "Friends and Relations: The Rarities" Griffin $8 "Spirit of the Age-Solstice Remixes" EP Griffin $5 "Decide Your Future" EP Griffin $5 "Quark Strangeness & Charm" EP EBS $5 "Stasis: The UA Years '71-'75" One-Way $7 "Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of)" Cleopatra $7 "Lord of Light" Cleopatra $6 "The Best and The Rest of..." Action Replay $5 "Spirit of the Age" Elite $5 "Silver Machine" Karussell $5 "The Collection" Castle Communications $5 Tributes: "Assassins of Silence/100 Watt Violence" Ceres $10 "Future Reconstructions" (techno remixes) EBS Digi-pack $10 DAVE BROCK: "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" Griffin $8 ROBERT CALVERT: "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters" BGO $10 "Hype" See For Miles $8 "Freq" Cleopatra (w/"Lord of the Hornets" and "Greenfly and the Rose") $9 MICHAEL MOORCOCK and the DEEP FIX "New World's Fair" Griffin $10 ALAN DAVEY "Chaos Delight" Black Widow (warped booklet) $8 ALMAN MULO BAND "Orisha" (w/Harvey Bainbridge) Taste $12 SIMON HOUSE "Yassasim" Griffin $10 SPIRAL REALMS (Simon House, Del Dettmar, Len del Rio): "Trip to G9" Hypnotic/Cleopatra (creased booklet) $7 "Crystal Jungles of Eos" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 "Solar Wind" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 HIGH TIDE (w/Simon House): "Sea Shanties/High Tide" Liberty $10 ADRIAN SHAW "Head Cleaner" Rubric $7 thanks, Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 01:31:15 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:31:15 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: If I am not to late put me down for these cd's: Hawkwind: PXR5 qUARK sTRANGENESS & cHARM Rob Calvert: Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters The prices you have listed sound fine with me. Please let me know asap Michael In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:28:07 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > (Alas, mates, it's come to this...) > Let me know if you're interested in anything here...I'm mailing w/out cases > and the postage costs $2 for the first 5 CD's, $.15 each additional (if > outside the States, I'll adjust this a bit). The '96 Remasters are not the > digi-packs! All items in fine condition, no promo doo-hickies. If prices seem > unreasonable or don't reflect the "current market", let's haggle. Here we > go... > > HAWKWIND: > > "Hawkwind" One-Way $7 > "In Search of Space" One-Way $7 > "In Search of Space" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 > "Doremi Fasol Latido" One-Way $7 > "Space Ritual" double-cd One-Way $10 > "Space Ritual" EMI Remaster double-cd w/Bonus-track $20 > "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI non-remaster $7 > "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 > "Warrior on the Edge of Time" Dojo (incl. bootleg "Motorhead") $10 > "Quark Strangeness and Charm" Virgin $12 > "P.X.R. 5" Virgin $12 > "Live '79" Griffin $10 > "Levitation" Griffin (incl. "Nuclear Toy") $10 > "Sonic Attack" EBS w/bonus tracks $10 > "Church of Hawkwind" Griffin w/bonus-tracks $10 > "Choose Your Masques" EBS w/bonus-tracks $10 > "Zones" Griffin $10 > "Zones/Stonehenge" Flicknife (only incl. half of Stonehenge) $10 > "Chronicle of the Black Sword" Dojo (incl. live "War I Survived" and "Voice > Inside My Head" $10 > "Live Chronicles" Griffin double-CD w/bonus tracks $13 > "Out and Intake" Griffin (incl. live "Coded Languages" and "Warrior on the > Edge of Time") $10 > "Xenon Codex" Enigma/GWR $7 > "Space Bandits" GWR/Roadrunner $7 > "Palace Springs" GWR/Roadrunner $8 > "California Brainstorm" ILOKI (promo-stamp front-cover) $10 > "Electric Tepee" Griffin $10 > "It Is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous" Castle/Essential $8 > "The Business Trip" Griffin/EBS $9 > "White Zone" (file under Psychedelic Warriors) Griffin/EBS $8 > "Alien 4" EBS $9 > "Love in Space" Double-CD Digi-pack EBS (skipped a bit on some players) $7 > "In Your Area" Griffin $8 > "Spacebrock" Hawkwind $12 > "Anthology '67-'82" Double-CD Digi-pack w/bonus tracks Castle $12 > "Acid Daze Vol. 1" Receiver $5 > "Acid Daze Vol. 2" Receiver $5 > "Acid Daze Vol. 3" Receiver $5 > "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" Magnum $6 > "Space Ritual 2" Magnum $8 > "Masters of the Universe" Magnum/Thunderbolt-Demi Monde $7 > "BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert" Windsong $12 > "Space London 1972" Live Storm $10 > "Mighty Hawkwind Classics '80-'85" Anagram $9 > "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures" (Live '76) Griffin $10 > "1999 Party" (Live Chicago '74) EMI $15 > "Weird Tapes 1-Dave Brock, Sonic Assassins" Hawkwind/Voiceprint $12 > "The Elf and the Hawk" (comp incl. relations and other groups) Black Widow $12 > "Travellers Aid Trust" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Flicknife $10 > "Strange Daze '97" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Double-CD Pangea > $15 > "Undisclosed Files-Addendum" (live '84 and '88) Griffin $10 > "Friday Rock Show Sessions Live at Reading '86" Raw Fruit $12 > "Hawklords Live" Griffin $10 > "Best of Friends and Relations" Emporio $7 > "Friends and Relations: The Rarities" Griffin $8 > "Spirit of the Age-Solstice Remixes" EP Griffin $5 > "Decide Your Future" EP Griffin $5 > "Quark Strangeness & Charm" EP EBS $5 > "Stasis: The UA Years '71-'75" One-Way $7 > "Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of)" Cleopatra $7 > "Lord of Light" Cleopatra $6 > "The Best and The Rest of..." Action Replay $5 > "Spirit of the Age" Elite $5 > "Silver Machine" Karussell $5 > "The Collection" Castle Communications $5 > > Tributes: > "Assassins of Silence/100 Watt Violence" Ceres $10 > "Future Reconstructions" (techno remixes) EBS Digi-pack $10 > > DAVE BROCK: "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" Griffin $8 > > ROBERT CALVERT: > "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters" BGO $10 > "Hype" See For Miles $8 > "Freq" Cleopatra (w/"Lord of the Hornets" and "Greenfly and the Rose") $9 > > MICHAEL MOORCOCK and the DEEP FIX "New World's Fair" Griffin $10 > > ALAN DAVEY "Chaos Delight" Black Widow (warped booklet) $8 > > ALMAN MULO BAND "Orisha" (w/Harvey Bainbridge) Taste $12 > > SIMON HOUSE "Yassasim" Griffin $10 > > SPIRAL REALMS (Simon House, Del Dettmar, Len del Rio): > > "Trip to G9" Hypnotic/Cleopatra (creased booklet) $7 > "Crystal Jungles of Eos" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 > "Solar Wind" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 > > HIGH TIDE (w/Simon House): "Sea Shanties/High Tide" Liberty $10 > > ADRIAN SHAW "Head Cleaner" Rubric $7 > > thanks, Chuck From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Aug 16 02:15:27 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:15:27 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: Whaaaa?! Why are you selling your entire HW collection, dude? The latest events get you down and you got disillusioned with anything HW related? Making copies? Just needing cash? Having a moment? In any case, OK......Micheal already has dibs on my first choices....if you have extras, kewl!....if not, then I'd liek Hall of the Mountain Grill remastered and Xenon Codex it still available.... Tom From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Aug 16 03:47:20 2002 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (The Rocker) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:47:20 -0400 Subject: RAWK! Message-ID: Get those block votes in now; Classic Rock magazine, the most important rock magazine in the UK has teamed up with HMV and Metal Hammer magazine to compile a list of the Top 100 Greatest Rock Albums of all time as voted by the readers. To vote for your top three albums log on to the Classic Rock magazine website www.classicrockmagazine.com/top100 The closing date is September 5th. SAH http://www.the-rocker.co.uk From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 04:02:56 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:02:56 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:27:14 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >"Warrior on the Edge of Time" Dojo (incl. bootleg "Motorhead") $10 >"Quark Strangeness and Charm" Virgin $12 >"P.X.R. 5" Virgin $12 Its a shame you have to part with all those hawkwind cd's. Whoever snapped up the above cd's off you got a bargin seeing that PXR5 can go for nearly 100 dollars on ebay, while the other two can go for 40 - 50 dollars each. colm From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 05:54:02 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:54:02 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: Shit. Didn't look when I replied to this. Doh In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:32:19 AEDT, Michael W Blackman writes: > If I am not to late put me down for these cd's: > > Hawkwind: > PXR5 > qUARK sTRANGENESS & cHARM > > Rob Calvert: > Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters > > The prices you have listed sound fine with me. > Please let me know asap > > Michael > > > > > In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:28:07 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > > > (Alas, mates, it's come to this...) > > Let me know if you're interested in anything here...I'm mailing w/out cases > > and the postage costs $2 for the first 5 CD's, $.15 each additional (if > > outside the States, I'll adjust this a bit). The '96 Remasters are not the > > digi-packs! All items in fine condition, no promo doo-hickies. If prices seem > > unreasonable or don't reflect the "current market", let's haggle. Here we > > go... > > > > HAWKWIND: > > > > "Hawkwind" One-Way $7 > > "In Search of Space" One-Way $7 > > "In Search of Space" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 > > "Doremi Fasol Latido" One-Way $7 > > "Space Ritual" double-cd One-Way $10 > > "Space Ritual" EMI Remaster double-cd w/Bonus-track $20 > > "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI non-remaster $7 > > "In the Hall of the Mountain Grill" EMI Remaster w/Bonus tracks $15 > > "Warrior on the Edge of Time" Dojo (incl. bootleg "Motorhead") $10 > > "Quark Strangeness and Charm" Virgin $12 > > "P.X.R. 5" Virgin $12 > > "Live '79" Griffin $10 > > "Levitation" Griffin (incl. "Nuclear Toy") $10 > > "Sonic Attack" EBS w/bonus tracks $10 > > "Church of Hawkwind" Griffin w/bonus-tracks $10 > > "Choose Your Masques" EBS w/bonus-tracks $10 > > "Zones" Griffin $10 > > "Zones/Stonehenge" Flicknife (only incl. half of Stonehenge) $10 > > "Chronicle of the Black Sword" Dojo (incl. live "War I Survived" and "Voice > > Inside My Head" $10 > > "Live Chronicles" Griffin double-CD w/bonus tracks $13 > > "Out and Intake" Griffin (incl. live "Coded Languages" and "Warrior on the > > Edge of Time") $10 > > "Xenon Codex" Enigma/GWR $7 > > "Space Bandits" GWR/Roadrunner $7 > > "Palace Springs" GWR/Roadrunner $8 > > "California Brainstorm" ILOKI (promo-stamp front-cover) $10 > > "Electric Tepee" Griffin $10 > > "It Is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous" Castle/Essential $8 > > "The Business Trip" Griffin/EBS $9 > > "White Zone" (file under Psychedelic Warriors) Griffin/EBS $8 > > "Alien 4" EBS $9 > > "Love in Space" Double-CD Digi-pack EBS (skipped a bit on some players) $7 > > "In Your Area" Griffin $8 > > "Spacebrock" Hawkwind $12 > > "Anthology '67-'82" Double-CD Digi-pack w/bonus tracks Castle $12 > > "Acid Daze Vol. 1" Receiver $5 > > "Acid Daze Vol. 2" Receiver $5 > > "Acid Daze Vol. 3" Receiver $5 > > "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" Magnum $6 > > "Space Ritual 2" Magnum $8 > > "Masters of the Universe" Magnum/Thunderbolt-Demi Monde $7 > > "BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert" Windsong $12 > > "Space London 1972" Live Storm $10 > > "Mighty Hawkwind Classics '80-'85" Anagram $9 > > "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures" (Live '76) Griffin $10 > > "1999 Party" (Live Chicago '74) EMI $15 > > "Weird Tapes 1-Dave Brock, Sonic Assassins" Hawkwind/Voiceprint $12 > > "The Elf and the Hawk" (comp incl. relations and other groups) Black Widow $12 > > "Travellers Aid Trust" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Flicknife $10 > > "Strange Daze '97" (comp. incl. relations and other groups) Double-CD Pangea > > $15 > > "Undisclosed Files-Addendum" (live '84 and '88) Griffin $10 > > "Friday Rock Show Sessions Live at Reading '86" Raw Fruit $12 > > "Hawklords Live" Griffin $10 > > "Best of Friends and Relations" Emporio $7 > > "Friends and Relations: The Rarities" Griffin $8 > > "Spirit of the Age-Solstice Remixes" EP Griffin $5 > > "Decide Your Future" EP Griffin $5 > > "Quark Strangeness & Charm" EP EBS $5 > > "Stasis: The UA Years '71-'75" One-Way $7 > > "Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of)" Cleopatra $7 > > "Lord of Light" Cleopatra $6 > > "The Best and The Rest of..." Action Replay $5 > > "Spirit of the Age" Elite $5 > > "Silver Machine" Karussell $5 > > "The Collection" Castle Communications $5 > > > > Tributes: > > "Assassins of Silence/100 Watt Violence" Ceres $10 > > "Future Reconstructions" (techno remixes) EBS Digi-pack $10 > > > > DAVE BROCK: "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" Griffin $8 > > > > ROBERT CALVERT: > > "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters" BGO $10 > > "Hype" See For Miles $8 > > "Freq" Cleopatra (w/"Lord of the Hornets" and "Greenfly and the Rose") $9 > > > > MICHAEL MOORCOCK and the DEEP FIX "New World's Fair" Griffin $10 > > > > ALAN DAVEY "Chaos Delight" Black Widow (warped booklet) $8 > > > > ALMAN MULO BAND "Orisha" (w/Harvey Bainbridge) Taste $12 > > > > SIMON HOUSE "Yassasim" Griffin $10 > > > > SPIRAL REALMS (Simon House, Del Dettmar, Len del Rio): > > > > "Trip to G9" Hypnotic/Cleopatra (creased booklet) $7 > > "Crystal Jungles of Eos" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 > > "Solar Wind" Hypnotic/Cleopatra $7 > > > > HIGH TIDE (w/Simon House): "Sea Shanties/High Tide" Liberty $10 > > > > ADRIAN SHAW "Head Cleaner" Rubric $7 > > > > thanks, Chuck From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 06:37:12 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:37:12 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: I would recomend, if you are needing cash, selling them on ebay - as was mentioned you will get more money that way. But if you are still happy to sell them at the prices mentioned and I was quick enough please feel free to sell them to me. Michael In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:03:25 AEDT, mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:27:14 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > >"Warrior on the Edge of Time" Dojo (incl. bootleg "Motorhead") $10 > >"Quark Strangeness and Charm" Virgin $12 > >"P.X.R. 5" Virgin $12 > > Its a shame you have to part with all those hawkwind cd's. Whoever snapped > up the above cd's off you got a bargin seeing that PXR5 can go for nearly > 100 dollars on ebay, while the other two can go for 40 - 50 dollars each. > > colm From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 06:53:21 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:53:21 EDT Subject: dreams Message-ID: I had an even wicked-er dream the other night. Read the entire sentence before you laugh. I was with a girl running my fingers thru the short curls of her pubes which were, as a ran my fingers across them, turned into the most vivid beautiful psychdelic colours I have ever seen or dreamed - the curls were also shaped like little psychedelic flowers. I wish I had a visual of it. It was really quite spectacular. Sorry - but that was about it I'm afraid. I woke up before anything else happened. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 16 07:23:08 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:23:08 +0800 Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" > Shit. Didn't look when I replied to this. Doh > Yes! And for your sins you must give me the PXR5 and Quark CDs. Sorry but these are the rules. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 07:36:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:36:27 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:37:41 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > That was quite awhile ago. Wasn't that a little after the Hawkestra? > Probably before or around Nikestra, which I'm sure started the downward > spiral from Uncle Nik. Cheers STEPHE Two years ago. My perception of time is not the greatest at the best of times. Cheers Michael. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 07:39:20 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:39:20 EDT Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:39:41 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > He was sacked!!! Twice. I believe it was his clowning around. Cheers STEPHE Would that be for similar moments such as (Night of the Hawks video) he tells the audience that Dave and Huw were argueing or fighting back stage and should have a go on stage? Or was that just a bit of acceptable playing around? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 07:41:04 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:41:04 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:16:26 AEDT, Bill & Cynthia writes: > ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > > Shit. Didn't look when I replied to this. Doh > > > > Yes! > And for your sins you must give me the PXR5 and Quark >CDs. Sorry but these > are the rules. Something a wee bit fishy about this arrangement lol From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 16 08:02:43 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:02:43 +0800 Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: Michael B. types: > Something a wee bit fishy about this arrangement lol > Carchardon carcharias strikes again!!! "..and all the fish that lay in dirty water dying, have they got you hypnotized." From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 16 08:45:58 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:45:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation Message-ID: Can't help there. I just read somewhere that the band got sick of his clowning around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation > In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:39:41 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > > > He was sacked!!! Twice. I believe it was his clowning around. Cheers STEPHE > > Would that be for similar moments such as (Night of the Hawks video) he tells the audience that Dave and Huw were argueing or fighting back stage and should have a go on stage? Or was that just a bit of acceptable playing around? From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 16 10:42:11 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:42:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: How old is BOC-L?/Paging Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <20020811233111.8520088076@pfennig.ugcs.caltech.edu>; from senator@PFENNIG.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU on Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 04:31:11PM -0700 Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 04:31:11PM -0700, Bill Bradley wrote: > > Just out of interest, how old is boc-l? > > > > I've been on boc-l on and off for years now, and there are many people = > > still around, who were around in those ancient times (Mike and Jill ;-) > > > > But actually how old is the list? > > > > Rich W > > That depends on how you define it. IIRC it was originally "imaginative > rock" before narrowing down to HW/BOC around '90 when I joined. Steve Swann is > the one who started it, but I haven't seen him around for a while. He could > give the definative answer if he's lurking... I'm still around, though I've been so busy with work and personal life lately that I often catch up on 3 or 4 months backlog of mail in a weekend. The bitch of it was that I was just in England a couple days ago - but I went on such short notice that I didn't have a chance to arrange to get together with any of the Brits on the list. Or for that matter, to see if Hawkwind was playing. :) Anyway, the list is pretty old at this point. 12 years? Started in '90, and we still have a surprizing number of the people who signed onto the list within the first 6 months (or the first 6 hours, for that matter, if Ben, Stu and/or Paul are still around). -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make them all swann at cugc.org | sound like one - Blue Oyster Cult From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 15:08:39 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:08:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind K'ai Message-ID: dear boc-l, I must present to you an interesting little personalized system of corresponding pairs of Hawkwind albums from different eras, their organization observed as kindred, matching or sister releases in some way, these pairings being based on style, concept, quality and flavor matching eachother rather perfectly, (at least if you think about these things the way I do...). I'd like some feedback on this too from any listmembers present bold enough to challenge my powerful magick... ha-ha-ha... ok, here goes: Hawkwind K'ai shakedown by Christian Mumford: 1. Hall Of The Mountain Grill, EMI 1974 - The Xenon Codex, GWR 1988 2. Warrior On The Edge Of Time, EMI/Dojo, 1975 - Chronicle Of The Black Sword, Flicknife/Griffin 1985 3. Levitation, Castle 1980 - Electric Tepee, Castle 1992 4. PXR5, Charisma 1978 - Sonic Attack, RCA 1981 5. Space Ritual(double), EMI 1973 - Live Chronicles (double), Griffin 1995 6. 1999 Party (double), EMI 1998 - Live 1982: Choose Your Masques (double), Voiceprint 2001 7. X In Search Of Space, EMI 1971 - It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous, EBS 1994 8. Zones, Flicknife/Griffin 1983 - In Your Area, EBS/Griffin 1999 9. Live 79, Castle 1979 - The Business Trip Live, EBS 1993 10. Spacerock From London, Genschman bootleg 1972 - Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light, bootleg 1991 11. Quark, Strangeness & Charm, Charisma 1977 - Choose Your Masques, RCA 1982 12. Undisclosed Files: Addendum, EBS 1994 - Hawkwind 1997, self released 1999 13. Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone, EBS 1995 - Hawklords 25 Years On, Charisma 1977 14. Traveller's Aid Trust, Flicknife 1988 - Assassins Of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence, Ceres 1995 15. Hawkwind, EMI 1970 - Distant Horizons, EBS 1998 16. Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music, Charisma 1976 - Alien 4, EBS 1995 17. Hawklords Live, Flicknife/Griffin 1978 - Out & Intake, Flicknife/Griffin 1987 18. Reading '86: The Friday Rock Show Sessions, Raw Fruit 1986 - Palace Springs, GWR 1990 19. Doremi Fasol Latido, EMI 1972 - Space Bandits, GWR 1990 20. Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin: Live At The Empire Pool (double), Magnum 1973 - Love In Space (double), EBS 1996 -Christian -- everybody get hammered and drop your silly knickers for some tasty speedfreak powered action, especially all you beautiful young heavy metal tarts and rambling derelict deadheads on motorcycles... go visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html just for me, and your own sake too, of course, and you won't regret sitting on your arse getting wasted all day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 15:16:29 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:16:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Flicknife 'Chronicle of The Black Sword' review Message-ID: Hawkwind - Chronicle of The Black Sword Flicknife 1985, SHARP033 (The original Flicknife CD release of this album being the first Hawkwind CD I ever bought, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, "Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and "Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic "Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just as well along with it.) review (c) Christian Erik Mumford, 2001 -- everybody get hammered and drop your silly knickers for some tasty speedfreak powered action, especially all you beautiful young heavy metal tarts and rambling derelict deadheads on motorcycles... go visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html just for me, and your own sake too, of course, and you won't regret sitting on your arse getting wasted all day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 16 16:51:47 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:51:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208080056.UAA19698@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 08:56:06PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 08:56:06PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > > I've certainly encountered the full term, "smegma", in the USA (it's also > the name of a cool, long-lived, avant-garde/noise/rock band from the > Portland, Oregon area). To be slightly-more on-topic (but probably in > worse taste, and we're already on pretty shaky ground here), could the name > of Hawkwind's toaster be used as rhyming slang for a similar, uh, > something, from the other half of the population? I still haven't gotten a > full handle on this rhyming slang thing (does that make me a cutesy > American ;^)? ... or just an ugly one?), but I *do* get a kick out of being > able to yell whilst onstage, "... rather tight ... about as tight as a > kangaroo's KHYBER!" (And yeah, that one's on the setlist tonight.) Eh? Hawkwind's toaster? Now you've lost me. Red Dwarf's toaster I remember. Hawkwind have not vouchsafed any details of their kitchen equipment that I remember. (Swords!) I understand rhyming slang mind ('cause we all talk like Cockneys and own castles over here as you know :-) ) but I have no idea what you're on about otherwise. Am I missing something really obvious? Yours, Jon ObCD: Deep Purple - _Machine Head_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 16 18:48:08 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:48:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:51:47 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Eh? Hawkwind's toaster? Now you've lost me. Red Dwarf's toaster I >remember. Hawkwind have not vouchsafed any details of their kitchen >equipment that I remember. (Swords!) Not a reggae fan, then? A toaster is somewhat analagous to Reggae music what a rapper or MC is to hip-hop music (confusingly, toasters are sometimes referred to as DJ's in a reggae context, but they are not like a hip-hop DJ doing scratching & turntable "tricks" ... they're known for talking/rapping while playing the instrumental/dub b-sides of records). Something of a reggae vocalist who isn't really a *singer*. Some better- known Jamaican toasters would include U-Roy, Yellowman, Eek-A Mouse, Prince Far I, and others. Pato Banton would be an English one. That definition can be found among the etymology here: http://courses.lib.odu.edu/engl/jbing/444-Joshua.html (scroll about 3/4 down, or just search for the word "reggae") In the context of Hawkwind, the toaster would probably be the guy saying, "Smoke thee hasheeesh" during one of their "techno" breaks. :^) > I understand rhyming slang mind ('cause we all talk like Cockneys >and own castles over here as you know :-) ) heh heh ... got me! :^) >but I have no idea what you're >on about otherwise. Am I missing something really obvious? No, not that obvious (or maybe it is now?) just in bad taste (my fault! sorry!). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Aug 16 18:47:58 2002 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:47:58 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 16:08:37 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:08:37 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: Pressurehed musings Message-ID: Pressurehed... what a great band they were. As most on this list know, they put out 3 rather brilliant industrial/punk/psychedelic albums in the 90's after backing Nik Turner on his returning 'Sphynx' solo album on Cleopatra in 1992, being 'Infadrone' (1992), 'Sudden Vertigo' (1994) and 'Explaining The Unexplained' (1998). Fans of stuff like Chrome and Helios Creed, Ministry, Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come, Killing Joke, early Husker Du, F/i, Jessamine, Voivod or Alien Sex Fiend should at least get some sort of decent buzz off this stuff, not to mention anyone into Hawkwind's punkier 80's and 90's output. Underways, Pressurehed eventually split into bands and side projects Farflung (heady punk psychedelic guitar spacerock meanderings on Flipside, taking off from the original Pressurehed sound) and Anubian Lights (ancient Egyptian and middle eastern tinged hashish music of age old technological ambient meanderings, on Cleopatra with members of Hawkwind and Gong), and toured stateside alot with Nik Turner's US Hawkwind shows during the 90's. Actually a rather French sounding ensemble, don't you think, Pressurehed's mr. Grenas, Shelley, Fox et. al... particularly considering their early roots in hardcore and industrial. hellbent for leather, -Christian http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/pulp/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 16:35:41 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:35:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: my Cathedral review Message-ID: Cathedral fans, Go to the Cathedral website at http://www.geocities.com/~witchblaster/ and click on 'Treasures Left Behind' for my tasty review of their 'Caravan Beyond Redemption' CD. Enjoy! Cathedral - Caravan Beyond Redemption (1998, Review by Charlie Yuga (christmu at eunet.no) Having in the 80's paved the way for underground UK doom and death metal along with other bands like Bolt Thrower, carrying the occult traditions of heavy metal to new underground audiences, Cathedral's modern move towards outright groove-rock still retains the heavy Ozzy-era Black Sabbath fascination of their earlier material, but with perhaps more of a nod towards The MC5 and Blue ?yster Cult's 60's & 70's biker rock aesthetics, as wildly demonstrated by heavy freedom-rockers like "Revolution", "Freedom" and "Heavy Load". Still, themes like black magick, human sacrifice, apocalyptic medieval war machinery and other unholy witchery of mass-technological slavery remain the essence of Cathedral's typically dark science-fiction fables of this fine 1998 release, being yet another concept-type album in grand Cathedral tradition, "Caravan Beyond Redemption" perhaps being something of a quest for sanity in the very insane world in which we dwell, of our ancient and ever-weaving civilization living in fear at the end of an era, a heavy infection of millennium fever seemingly building to mass destruction. "The Unnatural World", "Satanikus Robotikus", "Voodoo Fire", "The Omega Man" and the wonderfully hippy-psychedelic celestial ode to LSD, "Kaleidoscope Of Desire", show Cathedral at their finest, in the latter case the band's love of psychedelia having become more and more expressed over the years. Indeed, if Cathedral ever decided to cover any heavy acid classics in eternal tribute, then certainly Hawkwind's "Master of The Universe", Amon Duul II's "Archangel's Thunderbird" or Cream's "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" would make some very heavy tunage under Cathedrals' supreme vision, the cosmic realms of modern doom metal -and stoner rock remaining in some creative debt to the rumblings of early 70's heavy metal spacerock and the underground's immortalized psychedelia.. Perhaps this album, along with "Carnival Bizarre" (1995), showcases Cathedral at their finest, "Caravan Beyond Redemption" taking the mantle of modern doom -and stoner metal's flirtations with biker rock and boogie to new heights, the genre never having sounded as refreshing and appealing as now. Cathedral, never losing their cutting edge despite making headway in today's more commercialized climate, and heralding and influencing the arrival of modern-generation doom metal and boogie-spacerock like Orange Goblin and Spiritual Beggars, as well as the heavy rock'n'roll stoner-boogie of Fu Manchu, Cathedral declaring with authority that stoner-rock and doom-metal remains vital and fresh at the end of the century and headed for a new millennium, in truth, modern heavy metal must have taken a rogue lesson or two from these heads in Cathedral a long time ago, as this blistering solar flare of an album will make any reptilian boogie and contract like a horny and evil old witchdoctor trancing out on magick blotter acid... "Its only freedom-rock, baby!" -- -Christian tastefully abridged rambling idiot monk signature: everybody get hammered and drop your silly knickers for some tasty speedfreak powered action, especially all you beautiful young heavy metal tarts and rambling derelict deadheads on motorcycles... go visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html just for me, and your own sake too, of course, and you still won't regret sitting on your arse getting completely wasted all day in front of your naked woman! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 16:59:28 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:59:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Genesis - Invisible Touch Message-ID: The track 'Domino' is worth the album alone. Phil Collins really goes for it, what a driving track. Epic. 'The Brazilian' too, some awesome instrumental stuff with those haunting synthesizers sending shivers down the spine. I loved this tape when I was younger. -Christian ObCD: Entombed 'Morning Star' tastefully abridged rambling idiot monk signature: everybody get hammered and drop your silly knickers for some tasty speedfreak powered action, especially all you beautiful young heavy metal tarts and rambling derelict deadheads on motorcycles... go visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html just for me, and your own sake too, of course, and you still won't regret sitting on your arse getting completely wasted all day in front of your naked woman! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 19:08:04 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:08:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208162248.SAA27014@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200208162248.SAA27014 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > Some better- >known Jamaican toasters would include U-Roy, Yellowman, Eek-A Mouse, >Prince >Far I, and others. Just have to give a nod to the fact that the voice of thunder himself, Prince Far I, has been mentioned on boc-l. If you like deep dub reggae and you've never heard the albums Far I did (with the Singers and Players) on On-U Sound in the 80s... you should. This guy's voice was like an earthquake. "Bedward the Flying Preacher"... Jamaican dub doesn't get much better. "Proud in the city and humble in the garden" -- Nick Medford From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 19:17:24 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:17:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: That'd be "Electronic Bout-eek a mouse" then? :-) R. > Some better- > known Jamaican toasters would include U-Roy, Yellowman, Eek-A Mouse, Prince > Far I, and others. Pato Banton would be an English one. That definition > can be found among the etymology here: > http://courses.lib.odu.edu/engl/jbing/444-Joshua.html > (scroll about 3/4 down, or just search for the word "reggae") From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 16 19:26:46 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:26:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Quicklime Girl In-Reply-To: <3C638DFF.26596.4F3DA3@localhost>; from tojackso@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 08:36:16AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 08:36:16AM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: > On 8 Feb 2002, at 8:14, John A. Swartz wrote: > > > Also, a recent setlist included Perfect Water. > > > Hmm...a step forward and a step back. Actually, I've always liked > PW, despite howling protests from the august company here. Only > unpalatable part is the Jacques Cousteau reference, IMO... Hmmm. I've said for years that Perfect Water was the only real BOC song on that album **, and if it wasn't a couple of lines at the beginning (including that bizarre, jarring Cousteau reference) I would love it. I love Buck's guitar work on that one, and *most* of the lyrics are great. ** I really like White Flags, but it's just not my idea of a BOC song. (And yes, I am catching up on a backlog of mail that stretches back to the beginning of the year...) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make them all swann at cugc.org | sound like one - Blue Oyster Cult From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 16 19:38:27 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:38:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Song for a wedding? In-Reply-To: <005d01c1b208$8da3f6a0$8335fea9@oemcomputer>; from des@SUPERLINK.NET on Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 02:57:04AM -0500 Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 02:57:04AM -0500, E F wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm getting married next week and would like to use a BOC song sometime > during the reception, trouble is I can't think of one that would be > appropriate or easy for a box stepper/jump-arounder like me to dance to. > > I was thinking about "I Love The Night," but it indicates more the end of a > relationship rather than the beginning (unless we become undead ;-) > > I'm open to sugestions (and cash gifts). Well, a very belated congratulations! :) When I got married a few years back, (to former list member "Lurking Girl") we did our first dance to the Secret Treaties cut of _Astronomy_. It worked surprisingly well: the music isn't violent enough to scare any of the older wedding guests ;-) and it's quite danceable, even after the tempo steps up halfways through. It even has a marriage reference in it. :) (Which reminds me, I still have a photo of that which I meant to send to Al. Must do that before I forget for another 3 years...!) -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make them all swann at cugc.org | sound like one - Blue Oyster Cult From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Fri Aug 16 20:54:28 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:54:28 +0000 Subject: dreams Message-ID: Hi ya, > Sorry - but that was about it I'm afraid. I woke up before anything else happened. Pleasure = as dangerouse to dreamer as pain??? Chris From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Aug 16 22:20:01 2002 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:20:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Mr Beardy's Quim In-Reply-To: <20020422200813.I3650@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 08:08:13PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 08:08:13PM +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > [...] > their way onto my list, just not urgently. There's a lot of Amon Duul II > and stoner I think is more likely to change my life, to pick two things > out of the air. You know, I was idly speculating about starting up a stoner rock mailing list, since that's most of where my heart is these days... -- Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make them all swann at cugc.org | sound like one - Blue Oyster Cult From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 23:26:06 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:26:06 +0100 Subject: dreams Message-ID: Where does Dangermouse come into this? ;-) Chers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: dreams > Hi ya, > > > Sorry - but that was about it I'm afraid. I woke up before anything else happened. > > Pleasure = as dangerouse to dreamer as pain??? > > Chris > From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Aug 16 23:34:09 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:34:09 -0400 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure Message-ID: Dear BOC-L'ers In my never ending search for Hawkwind links, I found an interesting Dutch page on the Famous Cure, Dave Brock's band pre-Hawkwind (1967). The page has an introduction, 2 contemporary articles that appeared in the Dutch press, and some photos: http://members.lycos.nl/dph2/connection/famouscure.htm Here's a quote which will give you a feel for how the original Dutch has been translated into English: "Leadguitarist Michael Skettery (21) is like a devil at his instrument. You may as well say that he can eat and drink with it." Blimey! (This & 109 other Hawkwind links can be found on my website, Starfarer's Hawkwind Page, http://www.starfarer.net) Steve From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Aug 17 02:28:38 2002 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:28:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > > Eh? Hawkwind's toaster? Now you've lost me. Red Dwarf's toaster I > remember. Hawkwind have not vouchsafed any details of their kitchen > equipment that I remember. (Swords!) > Maybe referring to Rizz? But he gets his name from Rizla which, for the benefit of our overseas friends, is the most well know brand of Veras in Britain. Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 09:52:46 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:52:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! In-Reply-To: <200208091131.MAA03519@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:31:44PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:31:44PM +0100, M Holmes typed out: > Doug Pearson writes: > > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:05 -0700, John H. McCartney > > wrote: > > >My suspicion is that the term "fag" in reference to cigarettes comes > > >from the word "faggot", which originally was in reference to a stick, > > >as in "a bundle of faggots". That usage dates back to the middle ages. > > >I figure that cigs are somewhat sticklike..... > > > > Entirely correct. Specifically, it refers to a sticks bundled together for > > the purpose of burning (which, of course, is what you do to a cigarette) in > > a stove or fireplace. > > > > >As to how faggot got it's present connotation I've no idea. > > > > It's because of what was done to those people in particularly brutal, > > closed-minded societies. > > Doubtful. The word fag is also used in Britain's public schools. Older > boys have younger boys who "fag" for them. This may have involved > fetching cigarettes at some point but I don't know. Given the reputation > of public schools for homosexuality, the leap from being the fag of an > elder boy isn't too hard to imagine. I must protest, with a twinge of middle-class guilt for my background, that only a very few schools still have fags or similar systems. Certainly mine didn't and the only ones I know of that still do are Eton and Harrow, which despite their disproportionate hold on the ruling class ain't the whole public school system by a very long way. `Fag', in that context, would best be translated as a noun like `gopher'; I believe they're supposed to do your laundry for you, ensure there's a fire in your room and stuff like that. Rudyard Kipling's _Stalky and Co._ is a fine fine glimpse of that sort of schooling. But it's really not like that any more. On the other hand it is well-known among those who did go to my more laid-back sort of public school that all-boarding schools are full of perverts so who knows, really... :-) > Of course alt.usage.english may have a much better explanation. They would be the people to ask, most certainly. Yours, Jon ObCD: Roky Erickson and the Explosives - _Casting the Runes_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Aug 17 10:27:07 2002 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:27:07 -0500 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure Message-ID: The article mentions that "he played together with Keith Relf and Eric Clapton in the early days of the Yardbirds....another one goes to mention that he played with the Yardbirds...."educating Eric Clapton".... Now that's an interesting bit of HW trivia..........oh...wait...Hey Dave!.....there's an idea...start a band and call it xYardbirds! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Aug 17 10:37:47 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:37:47 -0400 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure Message-ID: Do you think Clapton would admit this? I have a Clapton freak friend that thinks I'm full of crap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: HW: The Famous Cure > The article mentions that "he played together with Keith Relf and Eric > Clapton in the early days of the Yardbirds....another one goes to mention > that he played with the Yardbirds...."educating Eric Clapton".... > > Now that's an interesting bit of HW trivia..........oh...wait...Hey > Dave!.....there's an idea...start a band and call it xYardbirds! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Aug 17 10:44:07 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:44:07 +0800 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure Message-ID: I know that Clapton's biography refers to Dave Brock in his early days, but I don't remember the exact wording. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephe lindas" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: The Famous Cure > Do you think Clapton would admit this? I have a Clapton freak friend that > thinks I'm full of crap. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Clark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: HW: The Famous Cure > > > > The article mentions that "he played together with Keith Relf and Eric > > Clapton in the early days of the Yardbirds....another one goes to mention > > that he played with the Yardbirds...."educating Eric Clapton".... > > > > Now that's an interesting bit of HW trivia..........oh...wait...Hey > > Dave!.....there's an idea...start a band and call it xYardbirds! > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 17 12:16:04 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Mike Burro) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:16:04 -0400 Subject: OEB recap: Urban Word 8/13/02 Message-ID: Eric, the tape is very rough and contains a tremendous amount of audience noise, as I did not place the recorder in a very well thought out place. Nonetheless, we sort of became 'The One Eyed Bishops Marching Band'. So much percussion!!! It was a blast. If you or anyother member of this list has an interest in hearing this very rough recording, I would be happy to upload it to The OEB site for a couple of days. Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 12:47:01 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:01 +0100 Subject: HW: NikWar Spam (warning: really really long) In-Reply-To: <200208091140.HAA06816@listserv.spc.edu>; from djsatan.23@BTINTERNET.COM on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 07:40:11AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 07:40:11AM -0400, King of Comedy typed out: > THIS SMELLS LIKE THE WORK OF CHRIS HEWITT AT OZIT-MORPHEOUS, AND THESE EX- > MEMBERS SHOULD BE ARGUING WITH THE RECORD LABELS, NOT DAVE. > WHERE IS THIS POST FROM? > I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING RELATED TO IT AT ANY NIK RELATED SITES, COULD IT BE > A WIND-UP? > VERY UNWISE EITHER WAY. > I THOUGHT NIK WOULD STOP ALL THIS, AND JUST ACCEPT THE NAME CHANGE. > NOW WHOSE THE MONEY GRABBER? > LEAVE THIS STUPID COURSE, AND GET ON WITH THE FAKIN MUSIC GUYS! I agree with all of this except the capitalisation, the misspellings and the punctuation. Of course if you're on Nik's side then this is a Hawkwind-camp mailing from arch-lackey Dibs, isn't it, so it must be Eevil, but in fact you're quite right. I no longer really know what to do about this loyalty situation. It does look like Chris Hewitt a lot, but Nik's been known to say similar things in interviews when riled enough; and Dave's equally rude at much lesser length on IRC sometimes, cleaner-worded of course which counts for something. The way through this used to be to buy what you wanted from either camp, and damn their attempts to get you "on-side" or whatever. I was quite looking forward to the Greasy Truckers do as the last one was lots of fun and maybe it would force ICU to be in the same place for long enough to come up with new songs. Now I'm having to choose between going because it'll be fun, or cutting off my nose to spite Nik's court case. I mean, if nothing had ever been said about where the money was going I'd have gone quite happily. And if it's a GTP do shouldn't the proceeds be going to charity anyway? I don't consider lawyers a charity. Can we talk in terms of right and wrong here? Maybe. Nik's undoubtedly deliberately causing trouble with the name XHawkwind. Partly for all the confusion reasons adduced on-list but also because, if I remember wrongly, in either 1992 or 1993 Dave sued him over the use of the name Hawkwind, because he'd done a US tour a fortnight in advance of the real band (I have no problem over which band is the "real" Hawkwind) going through several of the same places, as "Nik Turner's Hawkwind" and a good few people thought it was the real deal and got a shaky early Nikwind instead. At which point, as I understand it, Dave was awarded full ownership of the name Hawkwind and Nik was barred from using it. So if he uses it at all he's putting a red flag up, however justified he may feel in doing so. Nik Turner's Space Ritual is a good name, describes something of what you're going to get, has worked for him before and will surely reach any real fans anyway. But Nik thinks he has a claim on the old name. I think that whether or not he has, when it went to law before that right was taken off him and sorry but that's how it stands. Now I want him to stop causing trouble because it stops either band doing as much to get new material out or touring, and feeds lawyers not the bands which I hate contributing to. Not that Dave is like, irreproachable or anything, because he has gone to some fairly petty efforts to stop Nik making any money just because he's Nik. Nobody expected or believed a real Hawkwind to be at the last GTP do and all of the advertising I saw for it made it clear who was going to be there because every extra name was a selling point, but Dave was still telling BOC-L to get their money back and not to support it. Then there was the whole domain-name war and that all looks equally petty and I wish they wouldn't also. As I say I have no problem telling which is the real band. No matter how many ex-members Nik gets under his banner (and again, I wish it wasn't a propaganda exercise) they still represent a retread act, and all they have to sell is awful-quality live stuff on Oz-IT that even Voiceprint would maybe check before putting out. Hawkwind proper has been active all those years Nik hasn't and though they're doing not much that's obvious just now other than sailing on past glories themselves they have a lot more of those laid up than does Nik. That said, they threaten new material at Canterbury and if they actually get an album out before Hawkwind do I shall be highly amused, and I will buy it and doubtless be horribly disappointed but hey, that will happen when I buy the next Hawkwind too. Maybe we can rate them by how many new songs each gets into the setlist in the gap between releases. Hawkwind's current total isn't bad, what, `Money Tree', `Anna Seed', those two new Ron pieces we got on the last tour with him on board, and now `Strange Fruit' or whatever it is, plus optional Dave solo material that might be relabelled in the event of shortage. But only one of those can be put down in the studio with current line-up so Nik doesn't have to do much to take the lead... But anyway, let's just do some sums a minute. Space Ritual (I refuse to use the damn .net and I hope Nik will drop it) currently numbers Nik, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, count Dave Anderson in since he's on current advertising, Terry Ollis, and "other guests" which I think means Calvert's son again, he should stay well out of this poor fish. And the last spam I got from "hawkethos" mentions no other names. No Dik Mik or Del, so let me dig up that Hawktime file I put together months back. Nik has two founder members and his line-up between them as of last calculation some eight months back had a total of 13 years and four months' time in Hawkwind between them. If Ron turns up that jumps to nearer 20 which tells you something about their longevity as Hawks; if Dik Mik does too then 24. Wow. Long time to be in Hawkwind, but still seven years less than Dave alone has been. Dave only has one founder member unless you count Huw, which I might well do actually. But his line-up (I assume Brock-Chadwick-Davey- House-Thompson-Lloyd Langton-Blake so as to keep it to the same minimum we've kept Space Ritual to, no Keith or Rizz or Harvey (not that I'd expect Harvey, see in a minute)) have a combined time of *81 years* in Hawkwind, and four of them are the longest-serving members the band's ever had. Dave and Alan both have more time in the band than the whole of Nik's basic line-up do all combined. And if you measured it on writing credits, well, um, let me put it this way as far as I can tell Nik's band have 4 solo and 14 assist credits between them, and most of the assists are for the eight band-credited numbers on the first two albums (as the remasters have the credits) or material written by Brock-Turner. As against, ooh, how many songs have Hawkwind recorded? So no real problems over which band is "Hawkwind" for me I'm afraid. Nik, settle for Space Ritual and get down to some actual hard work in a studio with them and indeed ICU, write some damn songs. Dave, let Nik settle for Space Ritual, and get down to some actul hard work in a studio with Hawkwind, write some damn songs. If you must compete, do it with what you can do, not what the other side can't. And make sure Nik tells his promoters they can't use the word Hawkwind or they'll get a cease-and-desist. It probably does actually need that but that's all it should need. Enough? Nearly. There is the matter of royalties not paid. Now, a lot of the Hawkethos spam seemed very fishy to me in that respect. Let me pick some holes. Brock's issued CDs with early members of Hawkwind has he? Well, yes, some of the Weird stuff has Slattery on, and _Atomhenge_ has Nik on at least, and I suppose some of the festivals stuff has some others on. Only, thing is, when the Weird CDs came out I asked Adrian Shaw (at a gig at the Standard soon after) if he'd got his money off them, and he had indeed been paid, so if anyone wasn't they must have been picked on deliberately. Wonder who? Doesn't seem that likely to me but maybe I underestimate the Brock-Ayling axis as much as I maybe overestimate the Turner-Hewitt one. It's certainly a matter to take up with the record label, anyway, not Dave. And it would hardly be the only reason to have a go at Voiceprint though if Hewitt tries he'll be laughed out of court given his merchandise, I imagine. (The latest flyer was actually printed! There weren't even any scrawled corrections or photocopied-to- oblivion photoes!) But off the cuff, something looks wrong with that because we know that Voiceprint were paying at least some of the royalties on the Weird Tapes, and to members like Adrian who'd probably have shrugged and carried on if they'd not got anything. The stuff about the injunction at Guildford is also misleading. Nik has *already* been banned from using the name Hawkwind (though possibly not in this country?) and he had, whether he knew it or not, been so advertised as we've confirmed. Granted that presenting it at the actual festival is very petty and doesn't do anything to stop the publicity but maybe it's the only way they could find Nik... Good story I heard about that actually, apparently Nik did an All-Stars set on the Sunday too, and announced the entire band as Dave Brock. "I'm Dave Brock, that's Dave Brock on drums--on bass, Dave Brock." And someone else apparently piped up, "I'm Dave Brock and so is my wife". I hope this story is true :-) But anyway, back to the chase. We also know from Arin that Hawkethos's claim that no-one asked for a refund is bogus, although hawkethos may not know this because the festival organisers may just have filed all such requests in the band. But it's still demonstrably false. The list of the "70s stalwarts of Hawkwind" is also worth a play. Here they are: "Lemmy, Michael Moorcock, Nik Turner, the estate of the Late Barney Bubbles, the estate of the late Robert Calvert, Terry Ollis, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Dave Anderson, Thomas Crimble, Mick Slattery, Dik Mik and Del Dettmar." Time to count again, I make that a total of 50 years and 2 months, still noticeably less than the current HW line-up of about half as many people. How stalwart exactly? But look yet more closely. Look very carefully indeed. Lemmy. Is he in fact on any of the Weird stuff? One track on _Weird 106_ isn't it? So okay maybe they didn't pay him, but it would be really stupid not to given how small an amount it must be and the size of Lemmy's legal clout. Moorcock has been unpaid for the Live Chronicles tour for a very long time indeed, as he has often made clear, but up until just recently he was willing to work with a Doug-Smith-less Hawkwind and that means the only thing *he* could be griping about would be the phone-ins on _Yule Ritual_, again not a huge amount no? Some writing credits there too but still not much. Rudolph and Powell (they managed to reach Paul Rudolph? Good effort!) might be upset about _Atomhenge_ I suppose. Harvey would have to be _Yule Ritual_. Steve Swindells is on two tracks on the Weird stuff. But you know what? Del isn't on *any* of it. The only person who's been releasing stuff he's on without paying is Dave bloody Anderson, who *also* isn't on any of the released stuff, but appears here cheerfully in their company. And Adrian Shaw is on some of it but as I at least know he's been paid. So this smells extremely bogus to me. Not only do we have, in several cases, to assume that Voiceprint didn't bother sending out tiny amounts of money when we know they paid Adrian, but, we know they paid Adrian so he's got nothing to sue about. And anyone who's met him, can you really see him taking Hawkwind to court? I can't. Or, it might just be that EMI didn't pay people for the remasters but I don't personally find it very likely and Adrian isn't on those *either*. I did think that this might be a mistake and what was actually at issue was tour wages, because of course *no-one* got paid for Hawkestra I, and I remember hearing (though I fully admit not through a source I can any longer check) that Harvey wasn't going to perform with HW any more after the first Xmas Party because he was still waiting for wages for the New Zealand tour even then and was just very quietly not having any more to do with it till he was paid. Simon was also supposedly unpaid at that point but wasn't as broke as Harvey so didn't mind. So my source told me, but this was the same source that told Jerry Richards was sueing for being wiped off _Yule Ritual_ and that seems to have been rubbish so I don't know how trustworthy it is. But in fact it can't be the Hawkestra I wages, or even tour wages, because look, Adrian wasn't at Hawkestra I anyway and there's absolutely no way the estates of Bubbles and Calvert could be concerned. So this is at least partially complete fabrication I think, and of course if part of it's lying you can hardly tell what *isn't*. We also, just to wind up, know that Dave didn't pull the War of the Worlds gig and so does anyone who had tickets booked because the promoters did a mail-out, no? So that's obviously rubbish to anyone who knows what it's talking about. And the stuff using Moorcock's correspondance is pretty despicable and others have talked about it better than I can. So, if there *really* is a court case in the offing, there might be grounds for it from a few people (certainly Moorcock; maybe Harvey) but Moorcock would need to sue Doug Smith and Harvey would need to sue Voiceprint. It's not going to be Dave's fault, or even if it is, somehow, by evil counsels to the man Ayling, it's Ayling's responsibility to actually pay. All this makes me think that I can't trust any of this and I'd love to talk to Nik and find out what he actually thinks is going on, as well as telling him how many fans this whole shebang is costing him. And since I can't do that at Canterbury because I can't afford it I'll assume the spam is lying about what the GTP revenues are going to (because as I say if it's a GTP proper proceeds will go to charity anyway so that looks wrong too) and damn well ask him there. But what we need is for someone who knows the people and what the situation really is to spend some time on talking to people and arranging things equitably so that no lawyers get involved. And there's only one person who can do that, and it's... DOUG SMITH. Someone has to get Doug Smith back on board. And since Doug is I gather (same dodgy source though) not on good terms with Dave it may have to be Nik. But I think the only way ths gets sorted is if, Hawklords-like, Actonium Doug can be awoken from his disinterest and told, "only you can save the Hawkwind family from internal collapse, oh, and while you're at it please get EBS on its feet again, please please please." I mean, I'd love to be the person who speaks reason to all involved and gets a compromise sorted out that lasts, but I don't know the people, none of them have any reason to trust me and the situation is probably very different to what I think it is. And besides I have a doctorate to finish and a toddler who's just fallen asleep behind me to Captain Beefheart. And any other fan who feels the same way can probably say similar things. The only person who can really approach all these people (with the exception maybe of Moorcock so Nik will have to be on-side too) with the relevant knowledge is Doug. Only trouble is making him want to do so and it's such a mess I can't see why he should want to. That's the way I see it all anyway. Somebody is playing silly buggers and I think it must be Hewitt. I really hope it's not Nik. And the only help for it all is going to be Doug, or lawyers and complete band stagnation and ill-will all round. Pfeh. I know which I'd rather see. Yours all, Jon (at great length...) ObCD: Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band - _The Mirror Man Sessions_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 12:49:32 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:49:32 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Les Vegas In-Reply-To: <3D53C7F8.BA7A6215@mitre.org>; from jswartz@MITRE.ORG on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:47:36AM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:47:36AM -0400, John Swartz typed out: > > Hmm...I must confess that while I've got this, I haven't listened to it > much. Perhaps that tells you something right there... > > It is certainly a cool CD for a BOC fan, given the personnel. From what > I remember the music was fairly on the light side, folksy for the most > part. No, there is no SWU stuff. "Dark Angel" (or is it "Dead House"?) > is a fairly cool track that Les did post-SWU, but had Albert and Buck > play on. > > If you are debating between this, *Piece of Work*, *To Helen With Love*, > and *Solid Citizens*, I would probably recommend *Piece of Work*, > followed by *To Helen With Love* if you are judging solely based on what > SOUNDS good. If "collectibility" is of importance, *Fool's Gold* > followed by *Solid Citizens* might be the way to go - then again, > perhaps Albert could comment as far as what is more likely to be "out of > stock" at Cellsum Records first. Yeah, I was kind of trying to choose between sound and collectibility :-) I know _To Helen With Love_ sounds great because Andy Gilham's played it at me. I think I'll probably stick with my original plan though and get _Solid Citizens_ because I've been meaning to get that for much longer... Thanks for opinions all, yours, Jon ObCD: The Fall - _The Collection_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 12:54:06 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:54:06 +0100 Subject: HW, NIK: NikWar Spam In-Reply-To: <01a401c23ff3$cfa512e0$ba4b87d9@jds>; from jill@THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:26:30PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:26:30PM +0100, Jill Strobridge typed out: > Not just you - it has just appeared on the other group - it seems to > have been sent to a variety of selected addresses. Exactly how you and > others have been selected I'm not sure but you are not the only one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > > Well, OK, fair enough, but why the hell would someone send it only to > > me? And as will be pretty clar by now, I got it too, and I've had another since then, too, which I've not yet seen on the list so I include it below; it basically says what the latest flyer I got from CD Services says which suggests that Hewitt is the man behind it... >From hawkethos at which.net Fri Aug 16 08:02:54 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11] by chiark.greenend.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17fb8H-0000yZ-00 (Debian); Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:02:53 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.11]) by chiark.greenend.org.uk (SAUCE v0.7.11) with esmtp id sauce-1018-1029481-1; 16 Aug 2002 07:02:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from e5s4s3 ([62.253.76.3]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20020816064929.MMSD22575.kx1-gui at e5s4s3>; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:49:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c244f0$51033640$034cfd3e at e5s4s3> Reply-To: "hawkethos" From: "hawkethos" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:30:21 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Status: RO WANT TO SEE ROBERT CALVERT,S SON READING POETRY,ON STAGE WITH DAVE ANDERSON ON BASS AND GUITAR,NIK TURNER ON SAX FLUTE AND VOCALS,TERRY OLLIS ON DRUMS,MICK SLATTERY ON GUITAR,THOMAS CRIMBLE ON BASS AND GUITAR PLUS SPECIAL GUESTS THEN GET TO CANTERBURY FAYRE NEXT FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST 5PM TO SEE SPACE RITUAL.NET CANTERBURY FAYRE FESTIVAL MOUNT EPHRAIM GARDENS HERNHILL NR CANTERBURY DON'T MISS SPACE RITUAL.NET AT CANTERBURY FESTIVAL CANTERBURY FESTIVAL IS BANK HOLIDAY WEEKEND FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST,SATURDAY 24TH AUGUST,SUNDAY 25TH AUGUST SPACE RITUAL.NET [FEATURING EX-MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND] THE LINE UP OF SPACE RITUAL EX HAWKWIND MEMBERS FOR THIS GIG IS NIK TURNER[sax/flute/vocals] TERRY OLLIS[drums] THOMAS CRIMBLE [bass guitar/ and guitar] MICK SLATTERY[guitar] DAVE ANDERSON [bass guitar and guitar] and NICK CALVERT [poetry] PLUS OTHER SPECIAL GUESTS SPACE RITUAL.NET ARE ON STAGE FRIDAY 23RD AUGUST AT 5PM OTHER ARTISTS ON STAGE ON FRIDAY JO HOOK 3.10PM KEVIN AYERS 3.40PM OZRIC TENTACLES 7PM FISH 7PM SATURDAY 24TH AUGUST MOSTLY AUTUMN MUFFIN MEN DIESEL WEST COAST THE ELECTRIC PRUNES ALL ABOUT EVE 21ST CENTURY SCHIZOID BAND FEATURING MEMBERS OF KING CRIMSON JACK BRUCE SUNDAY 25TH AUGUST KARNATAKA MAN ARTHUR BROWN OYSTERBAND PRETTY THINGS LOVE WITH ARTHUR LEE THE DAMNED THE STRANGLERS TICKETS ARE ?15 [NO BOOKING FEE FOR FRIDAY ONLY] OR ?65 FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND[NO BOOKING FEE] AS LONG AS YOU MENTION ONE OF THE FOLLOWING WEBSITES WHEN BOOKING www.tractor-ozit.com www.spaceritual.net www.nikturner.com Bookings by post to BRAIN WAVE FESTIVALS LTD PO BOX 431 CHESHAM BUCKS HP5 3WG PS SOMEBODY SAYS THEY OVERHEARD NIK TURNER SAYING" NIK TURNER WOULD PREFER NOT TO FIGHT DAVE BROCK IN COURT BUT JUST SIT ROUND A TABLE WITH HIM AND SORT OUT ANY DISPUTES AMICABLY NOT THROUGH THE COURTS"IF ONLY THE FANS COULD PERSUADE NIK AND DAVE TO SETTLE THEIR DIFFERENCES NOT THROUGH COURTS BUT AS FRIENDS MEMBERS OF A GREAT FAMILY OF MUSICIANS -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 13:03:36 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:03:36 +0100 Subject: HW: MUSIC In-Reply-To: <003801c24189$51a83ba0$24e6c150@gypo>; from mr_bt@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 11:49:15PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 11:49:15PM +0100, Colm McWilliams typed out: > I wonder if hawkwind and dave brock are aware of this release? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Warren" > > It would be nice to actually read some messages about Hawkwind Music for a > change. > > Last time I looked this wasn't globalwarfare-l, it's boc-l. > > Lets leave the politics and get back to the music. > > Is anyone going to buy Space Ritual Sundown Deluxe, when it comes out on > Tuesday, if so let us know how digital the remastering is ;-) and whether > it's any better than all the thousand other releases of SR VOL 2. Won't help if they do, if it is _Space Ritual II_ it's Dave Anderson's to do what he wants with. I'm not quite sure why, mind, but that seems to be as true of this as it is of _Yuri Gagarin_ and _Text of Festival_, despite the fact that it shares material with _Space Ritual_ which is presumably EMI's. Or whomever's owns EMI now. I guess EMI only have the album masters and Dave Anderson for some reason owns the source tapes for that gig? But it's one of his and so Hawkwind's only course at law would be to claim that releasing it damaged their revenue. Which might be true with _Yuri Gagarin_ but is harder when this stuff is actually decently done. Interesting that Cleopatra got their claws in though. I wonder if they have any lasting rights in it as a result? I wonder too much I think, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 13:05:53 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:05:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: University of Errors world touring In-Reply-To: <0H0Q00IIU3MFWI@mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:59:48AM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:59:48AM -0400, K Henderson typed out: > Daevid Allen's University Of Errors Touring Lecture Series History > UK Aharr! > Sept. 28 - UK, Glastonbury - Assembly Rooms. > > UK - supporting The Electric Prunes All *right*! I hope... > Oct. 1 - UK, Bristol - The Fleece. > Oct. 2 - UK, Southampton - The Brook. > Oct. 4 - UK, Manchester - University. > Oct. 5 - UK, Scotland TBA > Oct. 6 - UK, Wolverhampton - Robin 2. > Oct. 7 - UK, Brighton - Concorde 2. And unless something goes very badly wrong I would hope to be at that, and maybe also... > UK > Oct. 8- UK, London - The Garage. At that. Oh yes. > Faculty - Daevid Allen, Josh Pollock, Michael Clare, Warren Huegel That's the best news I've had for a little while... Thanks Keith (where are you when you're not at the end of this message?) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 17 13:11:21 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:11:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Destruction Generator (was: Brock's... ) In-Reply-To: <200208121216.NAA04758@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:16:14PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:16:14PM +0100, M Holmes typed out: > Bryan Young writes: > > > Why hasn't one person asked why Thomas Crimble is in this? Is he such > > a magnificent bass player that he had to be included? Is he absolutely > > synonomous with Nik Turner, having worked alongside him in Hawkwind, > > Inner City Unit, Nik's All-Stars, etc? Or is he just a so-so musician > > who Nik can live with ONLY BECAUSE HE LENDS CREDIBILITY to the > > xHawkwind claim? > > > Terry Ollis is very excellent musically. I remember reading in Kris > > Tait's book how he fell off his drum kit and couldn't keep a steady > > rhythm, so they added another drummer (Simon King I believe), and had > > two drummers for awhile. So, yeah, Nik should definitely have Terry > > Ollis in the band, as he's obviously the finest drummer Hawkwind has > > ever had, and that will continue the fine tradition of musical > > excellence. (Sarcasm mode now ends.) > > Could we just avoid this kind of slagging off of Thom and Terry? They > seem to be reasonable guys and were the high spot of what I've seen of > Nik's band. As far as I can tell they've offered no attacks themselves > and therefore aren't fair game for this kind of criticism. Indeed. Terry is in fact an excellent drummer. I'd probably rather have him in Hawkwind than Richard if you asked me but that's more a matter of style than ability. I'd rather have Simon King than either. But anyway. Terry plays a mean drumkit and has got over the slight balance problems he had in 1971. There've been a good few chances to see him proving this just lately too if you'd wanted to take them. I'm not going to say anything special about Thomas Crimble as bass-player, but he's not the worst bass-player Hawkwind's ever had. Two names particularly spring to mind there but for once tact will overcome me and I won't say who they are. > > And if you look hard enough, you might even find Philthy somewhere. > > Check the gutters, because Lemmy hinted that Philthy has restarted his > > old career. This probably means he's peddling dope, but I'd bet he's > > using more than he's selling, so he may even be dead now, with major > > debts owing to his suppliers. > > It's so refreshing to see someone who isn't afraid of laywers. Why, > you'd think the slander laws had been repealed! To be fair, not sure why but let's try it, I've seen Lemmy say in several interviews that Phil Taylor's a crack dealer now, and that the reason he can't play at reunion gigs is because if he leaves the USA they won't let him back in again now. So if Philthy was too bothered about people saying this I imagine Lemmy would have found out by now. Of course this doesn't in any way indicate that Mr Taylor has anything other than perfect respectability in the financial sphere and any suggestion that he's a bad debtor should of course be sued to the high heavens by his lawyers. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Aug 17 14:30:32 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:30:32 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: Touche my friend................nice one.............it will be soon, I promise. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > Which won't be soon enough for those of awaiting Andy Pickford's > 'Lughnasad'................. > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Andrew Garibaldi > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > > > Gilli fans like me and you will be delighted when the CD Services website > > starts up - won't be long now................. > > Andy G. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Aug 17 15:31:14 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:31:14 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/02 11:29:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET writes: > Maybe referring to Rizz? But he gets his name from Rizla which, for the > benefit of our overseas friends, is the most well know brand of Veras in > Britain. > > Nick > BTW, whatever the hell it means: In "Cassandra" (Series VIII) Rimmer refers to the future possibility of having sex with Kachansky (sp) as the two of them "giving it rizz"...perhaps someone(s) could elaborate while I try to figure out this E-Bay/HW CD conundrum... Chuck From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Aug 17 17:23:02 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:23:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Destruction Generator (was: Brock's... ) Message-ID: > > To be fair, not sure why but let's try it, I've seen Lemmy say in > several interviews that Phil Taylor's a crack dealer now, Well, if he wants to play drums for BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY, he's more than welcome. :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Aug 17 17:24:05 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:24:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: > > > Maybe referring to Rizz? But he gets his name from Rizla which, for the > > benefit of our overseas friends, is the most well know brand of Veras in > > Britain. > > > > Nick > > > > BTW, whatever the hell it means: In "Cassandra" (Series VIII) Rimmer refers > to the future possibility of having sex with Kachansky (sp) as the two of > them "giving it rizz"...perhaps someone(s) could elaborate while I try to > figure out this E-Bay/HW CD conundrum... > > Chuck > "Kochanski". :-) Cheers, Rich. (Red Dwarf was never any good after series 6) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Aug 17 17:32:41 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:32:41 -0400 Subject: Richard Crossley Message-ID: Hey, Richard, can you PLEASE, contact me? Thank You, Cheers STEPHE From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 17 17:36:33 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:36:33 -0300 Subject: HW: Re: OEB recap Urban Word: 8/13/02 Message-ID: A coupe of people expressed interest in hearing a bit of the Urban Word Show. There are now 12 cuts in all on the OEBs site, but you will only see 10 'featured songs'. Among the 'Featured Songs;, I have added 2 cuts from Urban Word including the last number; that being 'Hurry On Sundown' as performed by 'The One Eyed Bishops Marching Band' Hear it at: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com The lineup for the evening was: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar & vocals Jay Adcock: djembe additional musicians during 'Hurry on Sundown': Adam Klein: bones Constance Cook: djembe Agnes Marsala: djembe Unknown: butter knives From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 17 20:51:48 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:51:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren book review Message-ID: Interesting and favourable review of Mick Farren's autobiog here: http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/biography/story/0,6000,775823, 00.html -- Nick Medford From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 18 06:59:39 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 06:59:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Brit Slang! Message-ID: In a message dated Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:25:35 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Rich. > > (Red Dwarf was never any good after series 6) schmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...... schmmmmmmeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr.... Series 7 was a little lame in some episodes. But series 8 kicks ass! So I must disagree there ;-) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 18 08:53:00 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm >comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. YES! The Calvert site was one of the best damn web sites and certainly most informative on the internet. It's been out of commission for quite some time now. Knut Gerwers was unable to keep it any longer at that site. Recently I contacted him offering to host it at Aural Innovations and he has accepted, though he wants to do some updates before it goes online again. It may be a couple months but it'll be back. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Aug 18 10:09:09 2002 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (filip) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:09:09 +0200 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: THAT'S SOMETHING INCREDIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! REAL,REAL WAY TO GO JERRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! You know i printed out all those pages (in black/white,but still cost me a lot of money) When they come out again I certainly will safe them somehow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I seem to remember,some of you guys were asking what Jerry had to do with Hawkwind,just being promoting his website etc.etc.,Aural Innovations was nothing in the naerest remote distance about Hawkwind See How You Were Wrong ALLLLLL The Way Really,really,thank you Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Kranitz To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! > >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > >comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. > > YES! The Calvert site was one of the best damn web sites and certainly most > informative on the internet. It's been out of commission for quite some time > now. Knut Gerwers was unable to keep it any longer at that site. Recently I > contacted him offering to host it at Aural Innovations and he has accepted, > though he wants to do some updates before it goes online again. It may be a > couple months but it'll be back. > > Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) > Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio > http://Aural-Innovations.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Aug 18 13:15:59 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:15:59 -0500 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: Thanks Jerry. Spirit of the Page was a shining example of what the web should be, it will a pleasure to have it back up again. Glad to see Knut Gerwers turn back up :-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kranitz" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! > >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > >comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. > > YES! The Calvert site was one of the best damn web sites and certainly most > informative on the internet. It's been out of commission for quite some time > now. Knut Gerwers was unable to keep it any longer at that site. Recently I > contacted him offering to host it at Aural Innovations and he has accepted, > though he wants to do some updates before it goes online again. It may be a > couple months but it'll be back. > > Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) > Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio > http://Aural-Innovations.com From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Aug 18 13:58:16 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:58:16 +0100 Subject: Off: The Reality of Gong Message-ID: won't we all......................... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Garibaldi" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: Off: The Reality of Gong > > > > Gilli fans like me and you will be delighted when the CD Services website > > starts up - won't be long now................. > > Andy G. > > Andy, we'll believe it when we see it ;-) > > Rich W From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Aug 18 14:13:21 2002 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?Amphetamine=20Embalmer?=) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:13:21 +0100 Subject: HW: I burned my original Hawkwind ticket! Message-ID: I burned my original Hawkwind ticket from the Alaska in Oslo, October 1st, 1991. I did it because Hell's Angels kept fleecing me for being a Hawkwind head for so long. I'd already copied the ticket up in my fanzine 'Club Sandwich' anyway where I'd written an article about it. I originally bought the ticket a couple of weeks in advance at the post office. Diamond Dogs opened the show and Hawkwind were a scorching power trio and I bought a black Hawkwind t-shirt with Screaming Lord Sutch after the show. They also had the white 'Palace Springs' t-shirts which weren't nearly as nice. I could only afford one shirt anyway. - Charlie Yuga, aka Christian, formerly known as Joe in Cleveland, Ohio http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/pulp --- "I actually saw Mot?rhead play at least seven fucking times, right, but I only remembered to bring my fucking woman along just once!" - The Cannibal Swinger, King Of Romania crankstuf: marmelade, makka, kransekake speedfreak Front 242: take a walk tastefully abridged rambling idiot monk signature: everybody get hammered and drop your silly knickers for some tasty speedfreak powered action, especially all you beautiful young heavy metal tarts and rambling derelict deadheads on motorcycles... go visit the Hawkwind Electric Library at http://bloomingdation.dreamstation.com/hawkwind.html just for me, and your own sake too, of course, and you still won't regret sitting on your arse getting completely wasted all day in front of your naked woman! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Aug 18 17:35:20 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:35:20 -0400 Subject: HW: The Famous Cure Message-ID: Thanks for finding that article, Steve! Great stuff! The liner notes to 'Dawn of Hawkwind' refer to (and contradict) the rumor that Dave ever played in the Yardbirds. He didn't. It's interesting to see that this article is probably the source of that rumor. I *have* heard that he & Eric Clapton were acquainted as teens (I know this was mentioned in 'Crohinga Well' magazine's massive 8-issue history of Hawkwind in the early 90's), and that Dave did, in fact, teach Clapton (who allegedly never played guitar before he was 17) a few techniques (fundamentals?) on the instrument. If it's true, I won't hold it against Dave ;^). The most interesting thing I found in the article was the mention that the members of the Famous Cure liked the records they had heard by the Outsiders, an amazing Dutch 60's band, who followed a career trajectory similar to the Pretty Things - their first album and early singles were storming R&B rave-ups, but they later drifted into folk-influenced sounds, and eventually released a psychedelic masterpiece on LP, entitled 'C.Q.' (yes, it's a pun). GREAT album! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:44:07 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >I know that Clapton's biography refers to Dave Brock in his early days, but >I don't remember the exact wording. > >William From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Aug 18 17:38:28 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:38:28 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:15:59 -0500, Rich Warren wrote: >Thanks Jerry. Spirit of the Page was a shining example of what the web >should be, it will a pleasure to have it back up again. > >Glad to see Knut Gerwers turn back up :-) Yes! It was one of the best websites EVER. And one of the very, very few where all of the "flashy" multimedia stuff actually serves a purpose besides just "looking cool" (which I have little patience for). Thank you, Jerry!!! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 18 20:13:37 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:13:37 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: VERY pleased to see positive feedback. I first got on the internet in 1993 and my first web experience was through Lynx which had NO graphics at all. Just INFORMATION and a WEB of links to related information. That's really what the web is about and Knut's Calvert page is a shining example of the CONTENT driven World Wide Web. >I seem to remember,some of you guys were asking what Jerry had to do with >Hawkwind,just being promoting his website etc.etc.,Aural Innovations was >nothing in the naerest remote distance about Hawkwind Well, our roots are certainly in Hawkwind and the like, though over the course of our nearly 6 year existence Aural Innovations has come to represent virtually everyone's conception of Space Rock and music that is just plain "out there". Hope there's been at least a little something for folks here to benefit from. Jerry From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Aug 18 21:35:41 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:35:41 -0300 Subject: HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the summer) Message-ID: This is both a reminder and an appeal: To Remind: The One Eyed Bishops will appear at the prestigious Philadelphia blues venue 'Warmdaddy's' www.warmdaddys.com on Tuesday, August 20th; 8PM This is an open mic event, so we encourage any friends to bring your instruments and play some blues. This will likely be the last OEBs appearance until Fall, so make an effort to come out and party with us. The lineup for the show now stands thus: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Mike Lang: harp Now the appeal: This venue is a serious joint. I plan to play very traditional blues that evening. Is this note reaching anyone who will play bass ( electric or standup), and/or hand held percussion, ie drum, washboard ( I'll provide)? I would really like to increase the lineup for this show..Drop me a line off list if you want in. Warmdaddy's is located at: Front & Market streets Philadelphia, PA (215) 677-2500 * sign-up is 7:30 and if we get more people on board, I'll opt for a later slot. Other wise I assume we will be on by about 8:30-9:15PM Almost all the tunes are on The OEBs website, so you could learn them there. http://theooneeyedbishops.iuma.com Anyway, here's hoping we'll see some of you there!! Peace, Mike Burro From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Aug 18 23:04:22 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:04:22 -0300 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the sum Message-ID: correction: band URL is http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma Apologies for the double mailing ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:35 PM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; SLOTERDIJK-Pod at yahoogroups.com; Sshliv at comcast.net Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the summer) This is both a reminder and an appeal: To Remind: The One Eyed Bishops will appear at the prestigious Philadelphia blues venue 'Warmdaddy's' www.warmdaddys.com on Tuesday, August 20th; 8PM This is an open mic event, so we encourage any friends to bring your instruments and play some blues. This will likely be the last OEBs appearance until Fall, so make an effort to come out and party with us. The lineup for the show now stands thus: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Mike Lang: harp Now the appeal: This venue is a serious joint. I plan to play very traditional blues that evening. Is this note reaching anyone who will play bass ( electric or standup), and/or hand held percussion, ie drum, washboard ( I'll provide)? I would really like to increase the lineup for this show..Drop me a line off list if you want in. Warmdaddy's is located at: Front & Market streets Philadelphia, PA (215) 677-2500 * sign-up is 7:30 and if we get more people on board, I'll opt for a later slot. Other wise I assume we will be on by about 8:30-9:15PM Almost all the tunes are on The OEBs website, so you could learn them there. http://theooneeyedbishops.iuma.com Anyway, here's hoping we'll see some of you there!! Peace, Mike Burro Yahoo! 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From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Aug 18 23:05:56 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:05:56 -0300 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the sum Message-ID: 2nd correction: http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com a bit stoned:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:04 AM To: SLOTERDIJK-Pod at yahoogroups.com; Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Sshliv at comcast.net Subject: Re: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the sum correction: band URL is http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma Apologies for the double mailing ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:35 PM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; SLOTERDIJK-Pod at yahoogroups.com; Sshliv at comcast.net Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] HW: OFF: One Eyed Bishops Gig update ( last show of the summer) This is both a reminder and an appeal: To Remind: The One Eyed Bishops will appear at the prestigious Philadelphia blues venue 'Warmdaddy's' www.warmdaddys.com on Tuesday, August 20th; 8PM This is an open mic event, so we encourage any friends to bring your instruments and play some blues. This will likely be the last OEBs appearance until Fall, so make an effort to come out and party with us. The lineup for the show now stands thus: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar/vocals Jay Adcock: djembe Mike Lang: harp Now the appeal: This venue is a serious joint. I plan to play very traditional blues that evening. Is this note reaching anyone who will play bass ( electric or standup), and/or hand held percussion, ie drum, washboard ( I'll provide)? I would really like to increase the lineup for this show..Drop me a line off list if you want in. Warmdaddy's is located at: Front & Market streets Philadelphia, PA (215) 677-2500 * sign-up is 7:30 and if we get more people on board, I'll opt for a later slot. Other wise I assume we will be on by about 8:30-9:15PM Almost all the tunes are on The OEBs website, so you could learn them there. http://theooneeyedbishops.iuma.com Anyway, here's hoping we'll see some of you there!! Peace, Mike Burro "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Aug 19 05:55:31 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:55:31 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: Here's another bit of Calvert that should interest the members of this list. Science fiction poet and author Steve Sneyd wrote a small book a couple years ago called Gnawing Medusa's Flesh: The Science Fiction Poetry Of Robert Calvert. When it went out of print he asked me if I would archive it at Aural Innovations. It's got a lot of info that will be old hat to Hawkwind fans but there are some very interesting insights into Calvert as a poet that you should check out. You'll find it at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/medusa.html Jerry From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 19 07:04:20 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:04:20 EDT Subject: HW: I burned my original Hawkwind ticket! Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:26:08 AEDT, Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > I burned my original Hawkwind ticket from the Alaska > in Oslo, October 1st, 1991. I did it because Hell's > Angels kept fleecing me for being a Hawkwind head for > so long. I'd already copied the ticket up in my > fanzine 'Club Sandwich' anyway where I'd written an > article about it. I originally bought the ticket a > couple of weeks in advance at the post office. Screw that. I have my original Hawkwind tickets framed and proudly displayed on my wall with other assorted memorabillia. Heads would roll if ANYONE messed with my Hawkwind stuff. I dont care how much money I'm offered in the future I aint selling, burning or getting rid of my Hawkwind gear..... no shit. Hells smells or no. They'd have to pick the peanuts out of my turds with their teeth before I parted with my stuff. When I'm dead and buried then whoever gets my stuff can do what they will. Michael From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 19 07:16:43 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:16:43 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: We had lunch yesterday with Lucy's uncle who is a physics prof at Cambridge. As with others, he's bemused by my interest in Hawkwind and that they're still around. He remembers that way back when, the band consulted with a colleague of his concerning an album cover and whether it was "realistic". We guessed that this must have been Quark, Strangeness and Charm. It's a small world. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 07:56:10 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:56:10 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > He remembers that way back when, the band > consulted with a colleague of his concerning an album cover and whether > it was "realistic". We guessed that this must have been Quark, > Strangeness and Charm. Hi Mike, I could be wrong but I'm certain the 'lab'on the cover of 'Quark' is/was based on the control room of Battersea Powerstation. Can anyone out there confirm this? From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Aug 19 08:08:25 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:08:25 +0800 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: Yes. This is an excellent site. Thanks Jerry. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kranitz" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! > Here's another bit of Calvert that should interest the members of this list. > Science fiction poet and author Steve Sneyd wrote a small book a couple > years ago called Gnawing Medusa's Flesh: The Science Fiction Poetry Of > Robert Calvert. When it went out of print he asked me if I would archive it > at Aural Innovations. It's got a lot of info that will be old hat to > Hawkwind fans but there are some very interesting insights into Calvert as a > poet that you should check out. You'll find it at: > > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/medusa.html > > Jerry > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Aug 19 08:17:08 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:17:08 +0800 Subject: HW: I burned my original Hawkwind ticket! Message-ID: Michael B.'s fingers danced as he wrote: > Screw that. I have my original Hawkwind tickets framed and proudly displayed on my wall with other assorted memorabillia. Heads would roll if ANYONE messed with my Hawkwind stuff. I dont care how much money I'm offered in the future I aint selling, burning or getting rid of my Hawkwind gear..... no shit. > Hells smells or no. They'd have to pick the peanuts out of my turds with their teeth before I parted with my stuff. > When I'm dead and buried then whoever gets my stuff can do what they will. I got nothing on my walls. I'm still waiting for some autographs to arrive. They're EXTREMELY valuable. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 08:10:54 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:10:54 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Keith Barton wrote: > I could be wrong but I'm certain the 'lab'on the cover of 'Quark' is/was > based on the control room of Battersea Powerstation. > Can anyone out there confirm this? Result! Go here: http://art-estore.com/batterseabusiness/bps/bpshist.htm About halfway down the page there's a section entitled "Heritage Building" - have a look at the small picture on the left - you'll probably recognise it :-) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Aug 19 08:28:59 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:28:59 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Keith wrote: > Go here: http://art-estore.com/batterseabusiness/bps/bpshist.htm > > About halfway down the page there's a section entitled "Heritage Building" - > have a look at the small picture on the left - you'll probably recognise it > :-) > It does look familiar doesn't it :-) From timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM Mon Aug 19 09:57:57 2002 From: timelliott at HUDSONPUMP.COM (Tim Elliott) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:57 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! Message-ID: That's great Jerry; it'll make your already fascinating website even better!! I'm sure we'll al be looking forward to it. tim 8>)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kranitz" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:53:AM Subject: Re: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age! > >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > >comes up 404... drat, that was a good'un. > > YES! The Calvert site was one of the best damn web sites and certainly most > informative on the internet. It's been out of commission for quite some time > now. Knut Gerwers was unable to keep it any longer at that site. Recently I > contacted him offering to host it at Aural Innovations and he has accepted, > though he wants to do some updates before it goes online again. It may be a > couple months but it'll be back. > > Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) > Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio > http://Aural-Innovations.com > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 19 10:14:31 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:14:31 EDT Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Is the QSC album cover the same picture as used on the inside cover of the AMBIENT ANARCHIST album? I dont have QSC and haven't actually seen the cover yet (unless the A.A. inner sleeve is the same) poor ole me. No Qsc...... In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:23:41 AEDT, Bill & Cynthia writes: > Keith wrote: > > Go here: http://art-estore.com/batterseabusiness/bps/bpshist.htm > > > > About halfway down the page there's a section entitled "Heritage > Building" - > > have a look at the small picture on the left - you'll probably recognise > it > > :-) > > > It does look familiar doesn't it :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 19 10:10:44 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:10:44 EDT Subject: HW: I burned my original Hawkwind ticket! Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:09:59 AEDT, Bill & Cynthia writes: > I got nothing on my walls. I'm still waiting for some >autographs to arrive. > They're EXTREMELY valuable. The poster of the painting by Peter Praknowik (spelled right me hopes) is relatively inexpensive, looks bloody amazing framed with a black and gold lined frame behind glass. I would recomend it to any collector or related art. Which reminds me. I have to get my autographs framed asap and hung on the wall. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 10:27:36 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:27:36 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > Is the QSC album cover the same picture as used on the inside cover of the AMBIENT ANARCHIST album? No. It's got a picture of a duck on the front cover :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 19 11:22:33 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:22:33 EDT Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: You mean that copy that I sold to you last month for 200 quid. If anyone says its a fake they are lying!!! :-) In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:28:20 AEDT, Keith Barton writes: > Michael W Blackman wrote: > > > Is the QSC album cover the same picture as used on the inside cover of the AMBIENT ANARCHIST album? > > No. It's got a picture of a duck on the front cover :-) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 19 13:06:25 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:06:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200208140051.UAA03366@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:48:39 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:21:21PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > >> ... [Oz-It] who just (finally!) released Captain Beefheart's 'Bat > >> Chain Puller' sessions on CD, so you will NOT hear me complain one > >> word about that label! > > > > Mmm. I heard dubious things about that release. Thanks to Google > >Groups I can repost them, too. You will find in alt.fan.capt-beefheart, or > >you would if it hadn't long expired, this message: > > Most interesting ... thanks for digging these up ... I'll have to check the > full threads sometime ... There wasn't much more than that, in those threads at least. > [forwarded usenet messages snipped] > > > Here he refers to _I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do: live at My > >Father's Place 1978_ on Rhino Handmade which is quite fun; I got it > >along with _St Cecilia_. The trombone is a bit loud but it's clear > >enough. And the encore comes on a separate 3" mini-CD so you have to > >love that. But I digress... > > I haven't heard the Rhino version. But for the price, it had better sound > three times better than the OzIT version! No idea. It sounds good, maybe VG+, but not excellent, the mixing is a little unpleasant with the voice and trombone further forward than the guitars but that's almost certainly tape artefact. Not much hiss at all, but that shows that the actual tape's definition wasn't exactly beautiful. Nothing wrong with it, certainly a releasable quality. But the Oz-IT one would have to be pretty bad to be three times better. On the other hand it's at the right speed and there's all the rest of the gig on it, inclduing Beefheart tackling a heckler about the importance of poetry (though not, I admit, terribly insightfully). > While I don't deny a fundamental truth to that, in that OzIT definitely > could have done a better job on those, it does seem like this JWB person is > overreacting a bit, and represents something of an extreme viewpoint (he > even says, "Why am I the only person here who seems to think this?"). I > have the 'Bat Chain Puller'/'Safe As Milk (mono)' bootleg he refers to, and > yes, there's less hiss (and I haven't been able to hear artifacts of > digital hiss-removal processing, which can sometimes add crunchiness that's > worse than the hiss itself), but the sound quality doesn't seem *that* much > better than the OzIT version to my ears. And I wouldn't hold my breath for > any Beefheart material coming out of the Zappa estate, if only because they > have so much Zappa stuff to deal with already! They have, but none of that's coming out either... no releases from ZFT for more than two years now I believe. But anyway. This JWB person's opinion was the first negative in the group after about four people going "Wow, I've got _Bat Chain Puller_, I think he was the first one with the boot to give perspective, and there were more negative opinions soon after, but I grant you this is coming off a fangroup full of fanatics and it's interesting to have your more moderate view :-) I'm now wondering whether I should risk the money after all. > > Ho yus indeed. But when it was EBS doing it it was just typoes > >and imaginative additions of credits for new synth backings. Not the > >wrong tracklist. > > The tracklisting and indexing didn't quite match on 'Distant Horizons' > (although, technically the tracklist was "correct", and not nearly as bad > as on 'In Your Area'). Oh, half of my EBS CDs' indexing is screwed up, and every single one has a typo somewhere in the sleeve, but there's only two real faults with them and none have more than one indexing error. The ones that annoy me are that damn nasty pitch-shift in `Rocky Paths' on the EBS _Sonic Attack_ and the lack of split between `Choose Your Masques' and `Dreamworker' on CYM. That one annoys me because I'd quite like to leave off CYM and begin the album with `Dreamworker' :-) But yeah, the information is correct, by and large, just the technology is beyond people. All the tracks have their names given, which is more than you can say for the Kingdom Come re-releases on Voiceprint. And IYA is a horrible mish-mash, but only because the person doing the sleeve and the person doing the indexing clearly got told different things about what the tracks were. The actual information is still right. Sloppy but they give the impression of being concerned anyway :-) > >And I'd rather have > >it that way, with proper mixing, than _Yule Ritual_'s Dave-up > >Jerry-down post-production, and I agree with you about the bass. > > The bass sounds exactly right on the TotalRock broadcast version of the > show, but of course, that was only 1/3 of the songs. Yes, I remember talking to Alan about that when Bedouin played Cambridge, and there was some reason they couldn't use that tape; I'm not sure it had everything on. But on the other hand that was while they were still talking about it so I don't know whether that was eventually the case or not. > The recent 'Nottingham 90' release is quite excellent. It doesn't sound to > me like there was any significant post-processing, and it sounds like it > doesn't need it (even if the quality of one of the two source tapes is > slightly better than the other). I'll get it at some point. Hard to be too fussed when _Palace Springs_ exists. > >I'm sure they'd have carried > >on if he hadn't protested. And using the wrong tape is not a thing you > >want a label to be doing haphazardly. It's not like this is an amateur > >concern, they're turning over thousands of units. > > We don't know whether or not they had the "right" tape at the time, or if > they had any other reason to know that the tape they had was the wrong one. I remember Dave's mail here saying he'd sent them two tapes and they'd used the wrong one. I never did figure out why he sent them a wrong one to start with mind. But if I was expecting one master and got two, I'd check before sending one to the factory wouldn't you? > >> Well, there's only so much you can do to clean up a lo-fi live recording. > >> The problems with 'Glastonbury 90' are especially troublesome; filtering > >> out wind noises and audience speech are next to impossible... > > > > Does it strike you that anyone tried? > > My point is, that for this particular tape, there's nothing that you can > really do until you invent a time machine, go back, and shoot the dog. > Something like 'Atomhenge 76' sounds more like the kind of recording that > could have been improved a bit, but it's not that bad, and may even have > been cleaned up for the release, I'm not sure. Fair enough. If it wasn't in the HMV racks at full-price I would probably love this album anyway, the band were very clearly On. But it is. > >Rob Ayling posted here > >saying, more or less, that he just took the tape Dave gave him and > >pressed it. Again not great business practice IMO. > > ... > > Oh no. I agree with you, I'm being realistic, I just don't > >think effort has been made to get them `as good as they'll get', or to > >indicate how good they aren't. > > This comes down to a question of whose responsibility it is to put in the > effort to make them "as good as they'll get". If a label is ONLY handling > manufacturing/distribution, it's not their responsibility to do the > mastering and other post-processing; it's only their responsibility to > deliver the master tape to the replicator. On the other hand, if the label > has actually *signed* the band, then it *is* their responsibility. Well, we have a kind of middle ground here, where Voiceprint haven't signed HW as far as we know (they don't do that sort of thing anyway, do they?) but are e. g. doing promotion and merchandising for them. They're quite at liberty to consider HW a cash cow of course but it smarts that the band are happy to do this too. Can't say I blame them given the cash involved, so I have to blame Voiceprint, simple :-) > I would suspect that it has more to do with switching from very expensive > custom packaging to standardized jewel cases. I seriously doubt that EMI > would feel the least bit threatened by any Voiceprint release (they seemed > to have no problem getting Weird 106 pulled for containing EMI-era > material, which I strongly suspect is the reason for its deletion [I can > think of only one other plausible explanation]). Andy Gilham reckoned, some time before his site was pulled, that around the time of _Epoch Eclipse_ there might have been an EMI deal for HW had they not then flooded EMI's potential market with substandard product priced below HMV's. I don't know if he knew that such a deal had been offered or was just hypothesising, but it sounded plausible to me then and still sounds that way now. But I agree with you about _Weird 106_. The same fate befell the GTP release after all (and the relevant material is the same isn't it?) > Yeah, I've noticed this too. I've picked up some good EMI UK reissues > recently at surprisingly reasonable prices (the first 3 Pink Floyd singles > on one CD in a gatefold cardboard sleeve ... YUM!). That is very cool, I got it when it came out a few years back. But they still haven't done the *next* three singles (with `Scream thy Last Scream and `Vegetable Man' as bonus tracks obviously :-) ) and I wish they would. It's an obvious massive seller so why not? > > You do also appear to be right about the Voiceprint royalties, > >as I say, so that does explain a lot. And of course we know how they > >can afford to pay those royalties, right, because they aren't exactly > >running a high-cost quality operation here. > > Yes, that definitely uncovers part of the mystery. I guess you get to pick > two items out of three when you select your reissue label: > 1) Reasonably priced CD's > 2) Good royalties paid > 3) Quality product HW only got (2) though. IMO. I don't know if the US prices are better but the 2CD collector sets go for GBP16.99 over here and the single CDs for not less than 10. This is local HMV I'm citing, though, I have seen them cheaper even in shops but that was second-hand (very soon after they came out, too... ) > > I do like _Text of Festival_ even if there's a reason that > >second LP has never made it to CD (cor dear it's ropey, and not just > >for dropouts and fading... ), > > ... but I still love it, warts and all, since it presents a fully-jamming > side of Hawkwind that no other official release (except the Watchfield > Festival snippet on Anthology/Acid Daze) comes close to. I was listening to that earlier, actually, and am now wondering. Does anyone know who's on bass for the 1970 portion? By my reckoning it should be Thomas Crimble but I don't have very good data on this and I wonder if I have the date he joined wrong, as I thought he wasn't on record. Also, how much of it *is* the 1970 portion? I can only hear lead guitar on `Hurry on Sundown' but I thought today there was maybe also some on `Seeing It As You Really Are'. And which bits are May 1971? Is it just the MotU? That in itself raises another question. There are three verses in that MotU, the third one muttered while Nik bleats sax over it, but the vocals sound like Nik to me. Is there over-dubbing even on this ropey release? If not, whose is the voice? And does Nik sing the rest, because it sounds like the same voice to me... Confused am I. Any help appreciatd, I guess Bernhard can settle my first question at least... > I'm afraid I rarely even listen to those two. Fortunately, there's sort of > an alternate version of "Wage War" in the middle of the Hawklords (Weird > 104) version of "Urban Guerilla" ... the words are almost the same. Ooh. I didn't know that. Well then. > >And again, "what it > >is" is not stated on the sleeve. I have a copy which does say inside, > >"The quality is sometimes raw...", which must be Dave Anderson's > >biggest ever understatement and has boring grey artwork but it was > >going at full album price when I first saw it (I got it at half > >eventually) and the numerous subsequent issues have shiny artwork and > >no such indication that what you're about to listen might be awful. So, > >yes, that is where we disagree, quite strongly too, though obviously > >amicably as all get out :-) > > I *think* we agree on this part? I'm all for the packaging accurately > representing the contents. Do we differ in that the endless reissuing of > the same material over-and-over annoys me much more than the sound quality? Yes, we agree about the principle, but I was saying, my _Yuri_ at least looks like it's awful, the Voiceprint stuff in some cases looks great and sounds lousy, where it's great it looks poor, and these days the _Yuri_ clones looks better than the real albums, and Dave Anderson should be strung up. I think that's my position, roughly :-) > Can't argue with that! (And hey, shouldn't we be arguing "Dave vs. Nik" > this week instead of "Voiceprint sorta sux vs. Voiceprint sorta roolez"?) Done that, oh man have I done that. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT Mon Aug 19 14:05:35 2002 From: alfred.koessl at NETWAY.AT (Alfred K=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ssl?=) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:05:35 -0400 Subject: rare HW records just for information not for sale Message-ID: Hello ! Just for information not for sale. What would you pay for the following records ? Sonic Attack 7" with cloth bag autographed by Turner and Calvert Hall Of The Mountain Grill - Pressing from Argentinia Hawkfan 12 LP with all inserts and carrier bag Right To Decide Acetate Psychedelic Warlords 7" from Japan First Single with a little defect on label From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Aug 19 14:09:40 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:09:40 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Wasn't the sleeve done by Hipgnosis, the same people that did Pink Floyd's Animals? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover > Keith Barton wrote: > > > I could be wrong but I'm certain the 'lab'on the cover of 'Quark' is/was > > based on the control room of Battersea Powerstation. > > Can anyone out there confirm this? > > Result! > > Go here: http://art-estore.com/batterseabusiness/bps/bpshist.htm > > About halfway down the page there's a section entitled "Heritage Building" - > have a look at the small picture on the left - you'll probably recognise it > :-) From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Aug 19 14:20:28 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:20:28 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Ah Mr. Barton. Are you carrying a card? (That'll get them guessing...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover > Keith Barton wrote: > > > I could be wrong but I'm certain the 'lab'on the cover of 'Quark' is/was > > based on the control room of Battersea Powerstation. > > Can anyone out there confirm this? > > Result! > > Go here: http://art-estore.com/batterseabusiness/bps/bpshist.htm > > About halfway down the page there's a section entitled "Heritage Building" - > have a look at the small picture on the left - you'll probably recognise it > :-) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 19 14:24:23 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:24:23 +0100 Subject: Off: Absinthe In-Reply-To: <200208140058.UAA03460@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:05:42 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > > The best beers in England are in fact to be found at > > and let no-one tell you otherwise. If they do, > >present them with a decent pint of Young's Ram Rod and if they persist in > >their fallacy, depart on polite terms and remember forthwith that they are > >stark staring deranged. Those in America may be able to obtain Old Nick > >instead, which is also good but being 7.5% not exactly a session beer. > > I will heartily endorse both of those selections! Both are obtainable in > the USA at specialty stores and the like. Actually, the pub across the > street from where I went to college in Baltimore had Ram Rod and Double > Diamond on tap, as well as Anchor Steam to represent yankee microbrews. > That was my introduction to "good" beer, which has had a rather strong > affect on me since then, I fear. Good man, you have chosen wisely :-) > >ObCD: Black Label Society - _Sonic Brew_ (by an amazing coincidence... ) > > Surely you can't get Black Label (one of the strongest cheap-beers-in-a-can > besides OE800/King Cobra/etc. Malt Liquor) in the UK?!? No, I did mean ObCD... Zakk Wylde (he of Ozzy band fame) has an outfit called The Black Label Society who are among the three or four heaviest things on the planet in a collection of groups which I suppose must also include Electric Wizard, Warhorse and Burning Witch. Subject ti others' opinions of course. All of them except Burning Witch are rather good IMO. But it happens that there's a strong beer theme in much of Mr Wylde's work and that album is the obvious example... Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Space Ritual_ (hopefully not contentious :-) ) -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 13:18:04 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:18:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkethos Spam Message-ID: Back to work today after a couple of weeks holiday and low and behold I have the recent Hawkethos spam sitting in my business in-box (as well as having received it at home). Now, for anybody wondering where some of the mailing lists for this spam came from, my business address was only used in a Hawkwind connection once - when I subscribed to Adrian Parr's mailing list before I had home based e-mail. Must be clear - I am *not* suggesting that the mailing list came from Adrian, but more likely from a receipient of his mails who has then able to see the other names on the mailing list. Ian Current Reading: "Churchill" by Roy Jenkins Current Listening: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club Current Viewing: The Avengers 1967 Vol2 DVD From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Aug 19 14:51:32 2002 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:51:32 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OFF:_BRMC_[NO_HW/B=D6C]?= In-Reply-To: <003b01c247a4$64b83e40$2a934c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On 19 Aug 2002, at 18:18, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Current Listening: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club How is this? They played here a few months back and the local paper was raving about them... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 19 14:58:28 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:58:28 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) In-Reply-To: <011f01c24374$da6c8e90$882a27d9@bernard> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Richard Lockwood wrote: > I'm a huge fan of the concept of drinking local beer. In London, I drink > Youngs or Fullers, in Yorkshire I'll drink Taylors, Tetley or Black Sheep, > in Liverpool I'll drink anything that comes in a heavy bottle that I can use > to defend myself... (Oh, and in Alnwick I'll drink Theakston Black Bull - > because that's the only place I can ever find it!) Dammit, this is what you did when we were arguing about web browsers, you'll start by saying something ridiculous and then when pressed resort to a position so reasonable I can't shake you out of it. I pause only to note that Youngs appears to get to the US without serious damage and Landlord won't go more than fifty miles without becoming furniture polish, and leave it there :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin_ (because recent correspondance caused me to wonder, as you do every now and then, whether it could really be as bad as you remember, and of course it is... ) -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 19 15:01:05 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:01:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Nick Medford wrote: > In message <200208140051.UAA03366 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug > Pearson writes > > Jonathan Jarrett > > wrote: > >> EBS didn't actually issue anything after that, so you could say > >>they never got the chance. _Distant Horizons_ wasn't ready but it > >>doesn't sound bad, it just sounds unfinished to me. > > > >Yes, either a rough mix, or a non-mastered final mix. > > Hmmm.... I always suspected it was further from being a finished > product than that. "Clouded Vision" sounds like it was still awaiting the > rest of the band's input, especially if you've heard it live, when it has, > like, drums and everything. And "Love In Space" was awaiting vocals I > would think- although that one's fine by me as I much prefer it as an > instrumental. Granted there are other tracks which sound more complete, > but I still wish it were possible to hear it as the band intended- I think it > would be an excellent album. When I first heard it I assumed it had some pieces which were band work and some which were Brock by himself. I did think that was a bit worrying but it didn't occur to me that it wasn't finished. I'm still not sure, given how _In Your Area_ and _Spacebrock_ have also been constructed in that split way (albeit the latter entirely Brock stuff), that that isn't one of the finished tracks. I suppose only Mr Brock himself could tell us. Ah well, yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Aug 19 16:09:05 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:09:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin Gigs Announced Message-ID: BEDOUIN GIGS ANNOUNCED: Saturday September 14th Motex Harley-Davidson Company Shire Business Park Worcester FREE GIG !! Bedouin onstage (c)2.00pm Saturday September 14th (same day as above) Marrs Bar Pierpoint Street Worcester Doors: 7.00pm Tickets ?5.00 advance / ?6.00 on door Contact: 01905-613336 Saturday September 21st Thomas Peacocke Community College Rye, East Sussex Near Hastings) SUPPORT: Spacehead/Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Lights by Chaos Illumination (HW lights) Doors: 7.30pm (gig finishes at midnight) All tickets ?10.00 Information Line: 07899-676723 Sunday October 6th Limelight High Town Crewe Cheshire Lights by Chaos Illumination SUPPORT: Harvey Bainbridge (Bedouin features guest Simon House) Doors: 7.00pm Tickets ?8.00 advance / ?10.00 on door Contact: 01270-255519 URL: www.crewe-limelight.co.uk From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 17:41:26 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:41:26 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:______OFF:_BRMC_=5BNO_HW/B=D6C=5D?= Message-ID: Well, the single sounds like Doctor and The Medics version of "Spirit in the Sky"... Cheers, R. > > > > Current Listening: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club > > > How is this? They played here a few months back and the local > paper was raving about them... > > theo > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 17:42:30 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:42:30 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: > > > I'm a huge fan of the concept of drinking local beer. In London, I drink > > Youngs or Fullers, in Yorkshire I'll drink Taylors, Tetley or Black Sheep, > > in Liverpool I'll drink anything that comes in a heavy bottle that I can use > > to defend myself... (Oh, and in Alnwick I'll drink Theakston Black Bull - > > because that's the only place I can ever find it!) > > Dammit, this is what you did when we were arguing about web > browsers, you'll start by saying something ridiculous and then when > pressed resort to a position so reasonable I can't shake you out of it. I > pause only to note that Youngs appears to get to the US without serious > damage and Landlord won't go more than fifty miles without becoming > furniture polish, and leave it there :-) Yours, > Jon > Good point about beers - d'you wanna start the web browser one again?? :-) Cheers, Rich. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 19 18:26:24 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:26:24 -0400 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:58:28 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >... I >pause only to note that Youngs appears to get to the US without serious >damage and Landlord won't go more than fifty miles without becoming >furniture polish, and leave it there :-) And I'll pause to note that there's a bottle of Young's Ramrod waiting for me in the fridge at home (was tempted to pick up an Old Nick, but I enjoy barleywine much more in cold weather than warm). And I still have at least three more hours here at work ... *sigh* ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Aug 19 19:26:16 2002 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:26:16 -0600 Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_BRMC_=5BNO_HW/B=D6C=5D?= In-Reply-To: <3D6105F3.6109.1A25DF7@localhost> Message-ID: I haven't seen them live, but I like what I've heard on the radio (community weirdo radio, that is.) Got a used cd of theirs on order. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ted Jackson Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:52 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: BRMC [NO HW/B?C] On 19 Aug 2002, at 18:18, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Current Listening: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club How is this? They played here a few months back and the local paper was raving about them... theo From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Mon Aug 19 19:34:45 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:34:45 -0400 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:27:44 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: [snip] >I'm a huge fan of the concept of drinking local beer. In London, I drink >Youngs or Fullers, in Yorkshire I'll drink Taylors, Tetley or Black Sheep, >in Liverpool I'll drink anything that comes in a heavy bottle that I can use >to defend myself... (Oh, and in Alnwick I'll drink Theakston Black Bull - >because that's the only place I can ever find it!) > >Cheers, > >Rich. CHEAP SHOT ALERT - haha hehe hoho! From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Aug 20 01:04:26 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:04:26 EDT Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/02 10:06:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > That in itself raises another question. There are three verses in > that MotU, the third one muttered while Nik bleats sax over it, but the > vocals sound like Nik to me. Is there over-dubbing even on this ropey > release? If not, whose is the voice? And does Nik sing the rest, because > it sounds like the same voice to me... Confused am I. Any help appreciatd, > I guess Bernhard can settle my first question at least... I asked this same question here some time ago, no one ever commented. Baffled and a big fan of the Texts as well... And what the hell ARE the recoding dates?? I always figured 'em to be '71, even though Langton is mentioned in the liners... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Aug 20 01:17:49 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:17:49 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/02 10:32:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > If I am not to late put me down for these cd's: > > Hawkwind: > PXR5 > qUARK sTRANGENESS & cHARM > > Rob Calvert: > Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters > > The prices you have listed sound fine with me. > Please let me know asap > > Michael Michael, did you still want Lockheed?? Chuck From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 20 02:09:30 2002 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:09:30 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:______OFF:_BRMC_=5BNO_HW/B=D6C=5D?= Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" > On 19 Aug 2002, at 18:18, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > > > Current Listening: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club > > > How is this? They played here a few months back and the local > paper was raving about them... Really Good. Great compensation for no more Jesus & Mary Chain records...though not particularly Hawkwindish (The Times one Saturday had them in the "if you like this, you'll love... section comparing them to Hawkwind but I can't really hear it myself). Ian From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Aug 20 05:27:01 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:27:01 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > Ah Mr. Barton. Are you carrying a card? Don't know what you mean..... heh heh heh :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 20 09:09:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:09:56 EDT Subject: HAWKWIND CD Collection For Sale!!! Message-ID: Yes. I would love that cd. can you resend details address etc? Cheers Michael In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:18:46 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 8/15/02 10:32:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM writes: > > > If I am not to late put me down for these cd's: > > > > Hawkwind: > > PXR5 > > qUARK sTRANGENESS & cHARM > > > > Rob Calvert: > > Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters > > > > The prices you have listed sound fine with me. > > Please let me know asap > > > > Michael > > Michael, did you still want Lockheed?? Chuck From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 20 10:52:07 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:52:07 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: *I* do certainly. MS IE is a big bag of balls. So there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" > Good point about beers - d'you wanna start the web browser one again?? :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 20 13:06:11 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:06:11 +0000 Subject: HW, OFF: OEB appearance POSTPONED till 9/2 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops WILL NOT appear at 'Warmdaddy's' tonight. The gig is postponed till September 2. That will be the final gig before I go back to work & get married. Two weeks from today join the OEBs at 'Warmdaddy's' in Philadelphia. www.warmdaddys.com I really want to give a good show! Peace, Mike http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com www.mp3.com/sloterdijk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Tue Aug 20 15:14:50 2002 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:14:50 -0700 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age!-- will it rise again In-Reply-To: <200208190955.FAA10461@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I wonder if the Calvert web site will rise again so we can have another look at it. But when? --- Jerry Kranitz wrote: > Here's another bit of Calvert that should interest > the members of this list. > Science fiction poet and author Steve Sneyd wrote a > small book a couple > years ago called Gnawing Medusa's Flesh: The Science > Fiction Poetry Of > Robert Calvert. When it went out of print he asked > me if I would archive it > at Aural Innovations. It's got a lot of info that > will be old hat to > Hawkwind fans but there are some very interesting > insights into Calvert as a > poet that you should check out. You'll find it at: > > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/medusa.html > > Jerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 20 15:10:36 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:10:36 +0100 Subject: Nektar in London Message-ID: Anyone going to the gig in late November? Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 20 11:40:06 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:40:06 +0100 Subject: Weird Pic discs Message-ID: Have Voiceprint put these out yet? I sent off for some and never heard back... FoFP From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 20 15:52:24 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:52:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:04:26 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >In a message dated 8/19/02 10:06:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > >> That in itself raises another question. There are three verses in >> that MotU, the third one muttered while Nik bleats sax over it, but the >> vocals sound like Nik to me. Is there over-dubbing even on this ropey >> release? If not, whose is the voice? And does Nik sing the rest, because >> it sounds like the same voice to me... Confused am I. Any help >> appreciatd, >> I guess Bernhard can settle my first question at least... > > >I asked this same question here some time ago, no one ever commented. >Baffled and a big fan of the Texts as well... And what the hell ARE the >recoding dates?? I always figured 'em to be '71, even though Langton is >mentioned in the liners... Chuck Fortunately, there's a simple explanation. First of all, Mike Holmes kindly assembled a list of source dates for various Hawkwind live albums. it's in the archives here: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811D&L=BOC-L&P=R1289 The entry for 'Text of Festival' is: Text Of Festival 18.8.70,19.4.71,19.5.71 for the 'Text of Festival' tracklist: 1) Master of the universe 2) Dreaming 3) Shouldn't Do That 4) Hurry On Sundown 5) Paranoia 6) See It As You Really Are 7) I Do It And the tracks/lineups from the dates in question are (thanks, Bernhard!): 18.08.1970, LONDON, MAIDA VALE, 20/7 BR/OL/TU/DI/LL/CB (track 4) hurry on sundown / seeing it as you really are 19.04.1971, LONDON, PLAYHOUSE THEATRE, 30/7 BR/OL/TU/DI/AD (tracks 5-7) paranoia / seeing it as you really are / we do it 19.05.1971, LONDON, MAIDA VALE, 20/7 BR/OL/TU/DI/AD (tracks 1-3) master of the universe / only dreaming / you shouldn?t do that So, to answer the two questions: 1) Yes, Huw plays (along with Thom Crimble) on "Hurry On Sundown"; the rest of the tracks would seem to be with Dave Anderson on bass (after Huw left, before Del joined). 2) "Master of the Universe" was recorded at Maida Vale, which is NOT a venue, but rather the BBC studio. Anything from "Maida Vale" is actually a studio recording made for live broadcast. The studio recordings there were done "quick and dirty", generally in a single afternoon (as opposed to "real" studio recordings, which would take days or weeks), probably with one pass tracking the band as they played their instruments live, and a second pass for solo instrument and vocal overdubs. So for "Master of the Universe", Nik's sax would have been recorded in the first pass, and his vocal on the second pass. I would suspect that Dave's vocals on all the Maida Vale tracks are also overdubs, although it's obviously easier to sing while playing guitar than to sing while playing sax (unless you're Roland Kirk), and I would also bet that you'll find instances of simultaneous sax/Nik vocals on the Maida Vale version of "You Shouldn't Do That". -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Aug 20 17:28:41 2002 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:28:41 -0400 Subject: Weird Pic discs In-Reply-To: <200208201540.QAA21121@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: There was a flyer in the latest catalogue I received last week that has them listed with pictures of them. The price is 9.99 pounds plus 1.50 for shipping. Limited to 500. There are 5 different pic discs shown. Chris -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:40 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Weird Pic discs Have Voiceprint put these out yet? I sent off for some and never heard back... FoFP From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 20 19:21:41 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:21:41 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: Go suck Opera through your arse. So there. :-) R. > *I* do certainly. MS IE is a big bag of balls. So there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > Good point about beers - d'you wanna start the web browser one again?? > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Aug 20 19:42:50 2002 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:42:50 EDT Subject: Nektar in London Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:16:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Anyone going to the gig in late November? >> I saw them in NJ a month ago...and I'll see em again 2 more times in Oct..best Ive seen in 5 yrs!! Bill From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Aug 20 20:30:10 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:30:10 UT Subject: OFF: Motorhead: Killed by Death Message-ID: Does anybody know where I can feast my eyes on Motorhead's "Killed by Death" video? I was just thinking about it the other day, and it occurred to me that the first -- and last -- time I saw the clip was on the USA Network's "Night Flight". Anybody remember that show??? If anybody knows of a video or DVD that has it, please let me know. Or if it's online anywhere. BTW. . . is the rumor true that Dee Snider tried to play this video on "Headbanger's Ball" and they cut it off right in the middle? I'd heard that many years ago. That would be pretty lame, considering the amount of violence in the average hip-hop video these days. --Nick From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Aug 21 01:45:09 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:45:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour Message-ID: Greetings all, I was in the pub yesterday with a mate, and the talk got onto music. He told me that he'd read (many years ago) in some magazine or other that Stacia was Suzi Quattro's sister. Obviously I had a good beery chortle at his expense, but later I got to wondering if anyone else had ever heard this, and if so, where this gem may have come from?!! :-) Cheers, Rich. (Still boggling at the obvious differences between the two!) :-) (Err, if you see what I mean...) From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Aug 21 02:29:01 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:29:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead: Killed by Death Message-ID: It turned up recently on one of the UK DVDs as a bonus video, I can't remember which unfortunately ;-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick English" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: OFF: Motorhead: Killed by Death > Does anybody know where I can feast my eyes on Motorhead's "Killed by Death" video? > > I was just thinking about it the other day, and it occurred to me that the first -- and last -- time I saw the clip was on the USA Network's "Night Flight". Anybody remember that show??? If anybody knows of a video or DVD that has it, please let me know. Or if it's online anywhere. > > BTW. . . is the rumor true that Dee Snider tried to play this video on "Headbanger's Ball" and they cut it off right in the middle? I'd heard that many years ago. That would be pretty lame, considering the amount of violence in the average hip-hop video these days. > > --Nick From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Aug 21 04:57:40 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:57:40 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > Ah Mr. Barton. Are you carrying a card? > (That'll get them guessing...) ....you mean the one for you....another card was yesterday's news..... I took a short trip along the M1 and there it was - just sat there, asking for the M3. Ahhh. Don'tcha think the "Universe" is loveley? Would you like it? (That'll really get em guessing...) :-) Keef From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Aug 21 05:08:13 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:08:13 -0400 Subject: HW: a lost spirit of the p/age!-- will it rise again Message-ID: >I wonder if the Calvert web site will rise again so we can have another look >at it. But when? Well in the earlier part of this thread I said that it would rise again (housed at the Aural Innovations site) but the ball is in Knut's court to get it to me. He's wrapped up with a theater production right now and then wants to do some updates to it before passing it on. When we discussed this a couple weeks ago he was predicting probably a couple months. So it'll be back... just can't say exactly when. Jerry From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 21 06:56:16 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:56:16 +0100 Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: Your arse. I've moved on. Lynx is the bitch. Ahem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) > Go suck Opera through your arse. > > So there. > > :-) > > R. > > > > *I* do certainly. MS IE is a big bag of balls. So there. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > > Good point about beers - d'you wanna start the web browser one again?? > > :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 21 07:23:11 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:23:11 EDT Subject: HW, OFF: OEB appearance POSTPONED till 9/2 Message-ID: I am hoping there is another HW summer camp next year and that your band is there again. Michael In a message dated Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:07:04 AEDT, Burro Mike writes: > The One Eyed Bishops WILL NOT appear at 'Warmdaddy's' tonight. The gig is > postponed till September 2. That will be the final gig before I go back to > work & get married. Two weeks from today join the OEBs at 'Warmdaddy's' in > Philadelphia. www.warmdaddys.com > I really want to give a good show! > > Peace, Mike > http://theoneeyedbishops.iuma.com > www.mp3.com/sloterdijk > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 21 07:28:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:28:51 EDT Subject: Off: Beer (was: Absinthe) Message-ID: That would make an interesting attraction at a freak show circus. SEE Brunetta the bearded woman suck things thru her arse..... In a message dated Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:23:07 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Go suck Opera through your arse. > > So there. > > :-) > > R. > > > > *I* do certainly. MS IE is a big bag of balls. So there. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > > Good point about beers - d'you wanna start the web browser one again?? > > :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Wed Aug 21 10:23:26 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:23:26 -0600 Subject: Motorhead: Killed by Death Message-ID: Yeah, it's on the "Best of Motorhead" dvd that was put out by Sanctuary music not too long ago. It's the bonus feature, and it's the only bona-fide music video on the dvd. The rest of the dvd is the band miming along to some of the songs from Overkill & Bomber (quite a few there), a couple songs from Ace of Spades, and 3 songs from Another Perfect Day. So if you remember the "Deaf Not Blind" video from a long time ago, then think of this as an expanded version. You can see what it looks like by checking out this ebay auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1556973720 Disclaimer: I'm not the seller, and I am not advertising this auction. I just hate the sanctuary music website because it's very slow for me to negotiate on my dialup modem. This ebay auction shows the dvd more quickly and easily. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick English" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: OFF: Motorhead: Killed by Death > Does anybody know where I can feast my eyes on Motorhead's "Killed by Death" video? > > I was just thinking about it the other day, and it occurred to me that the first -- and last -- time I saw the clip was on the USA Network's "Night Flight". Anybody remember that show??? If anybody knows of a video or DVD that has it, please let me know. Or if it's online anywhere. > > BTW. . . is the rumor true that Dee Snider tried to play this video on "Headbanger's Ball" and they cut it off right in the middle? I'd heard that many years ago. That would be pretty lame, considering the amount of violence in the average hip-hop video these days. > > --Nick From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Aug 21 10:26:00 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:26:00 +0800 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour Message-ID: The only sister of Suzi Quatro's that I know of was in a band called Fancy (or Fanny. Can't remember which?). He may be mixing them up? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour > Greetings all, > > I was in the pub yesterday with a mate, and the talk got onto music. He > told me that he'd read (many years ago) in some magazine or other that > Stacia was Suzi Quattro's sister. > > Obviously I had a good beery chortle at his expense, but later I got to > wondering if anyone else had ever heard this, and if so, where this gem may > have come from?!! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (Still boggling at the obvious differences between the two!) :-) > > (Err, if you see what I mean...) > From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 21 12:36:23 2002 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:36:23 +0100 Subject: HW ICU MM Message-ID: Just found this quote on MM's page regarding the court case www.multiverse.org/news/news_select.jsp?id=188 Seems Mike isn't too happy with Dave _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Aug 21 13:33:50 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:33:50 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: Dear Keef, If you can send me the universe that would do fine. Please pack well. Tks, Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover > "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > > > Ah Mr. Barton. Are you carrying a card? > > > (That'll get them guessing...) > > ....you mean the one for you....another card was yesterday's news..... > > I took a short trip along the M1 and there it was - just sat there, asking for the M3. Ahhh. > > Don'tcha think the "Universe" is loveley? > > Would you like it? > > (That'll really get em guessing...) > > :-) > > Keef From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Aug 21 13:53:05 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:53:05 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > Dear Keef, > > If you can send me the universe that would do fine. Please pack well. Some people want the world and want it now. Captain Bl at ck's gonna get the Universe in a jiffy. We shall commence folding space..... :-) From youless at LVCM.COM Wed Aug 21 14:26:54 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:26:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Codex whereabouts? Message-ID: Hi Does anyone have (a URL for) a reasonably up-to-date version of the Hawkwind Codex? Thanks Steve From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 21 17:12:47 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:12:47 EDT Subject: re the tree has nine leaves - will you pick them? Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:34:17 AEDT, "Captain Bl at ck" writes: > Dear Keef, > > If you can send me the universe that would do fine. Please pack well. > > Tks, > > Captain Bl at ck. The universe can easily be contained on a small little wh-wh-wh-white peice of blotter paper. Very convienient when your combi van is already overloaded on those long trips. Ahhhhhh to tip toe across the universe so elegantly one star at a time, echoes of future past and present spring to mind, as ambient music is born from unearthly design, the sleepers awaken to a deeper state of mind. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 21 17:23:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:27 EDT Subject: Hawkwind consulted physicist on Quark cover Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:53:24 AEDT, Keith Barton writes: > "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > > > Dear Keef, > > > > If you can send me the universe that would do fine. Please pack well. > > Some people want the world and want it now. > > Captain Bl at ck's gonna get the Universe in a jiffy. > > We shall commence folding space..... > > :-) As long as you put all the stars back in their rightful place. I'd hate to get lost again. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Aug 21 18:02:01 2002 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:02:01 UT Subject: Motorhead: Killed by Death Message-ID: Thanks for your help, guys. I will look for the DVD. Sadly, I don't even have a DVD player yet. . . but I think I'm gonna break down and buy one soon. . . even though I object to technology constantly making me upgrade my audio and video equipment. It's so damned inconvenient and expensive. I remember seeing the video on some Kerrang compilation tape years ago. . . probably when I was a teenager. But I didn't like any of the other bands on it so I didn't buy it. Of course, I'm kicking myself now. . . --Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Aug 21 20:58:28 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:58:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:06:25 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: [re: Bat Chain Puller] > They have, but none of that's coming out either... no releases >from ZFT for more than two years now I believe. But anyway. This JWB >person's opinion was the first negative in the group after about four >people going "Wow, I've got _Bat Chain Puller_, I think he was the first >one with the boot to give perspective, and there were more negative >opinions soon after, but I grant you this is coming off a fangroup full of >fanatics and it's interesting to have your more moderate view :-) I'm now >wondering whether I should risk the money after all. Doesn't sound too different from the kinds of differences-of-opinions we have here. Some people are overly-incredulous, and others overly-cynical (and some manage to combine both at once!). Tell you what, if you do pick up the OzIT 'Bat Chain Puller', and are annoyed at the tape hiss (or other sound issues), I'll gladly burn a copy of the boot for you. :^) > Oh, half of my EBS CDs' indexing is screwed up, and every single >one has a typo somewhere in the sleeve, but there's only two real faults >with them and none have more than one indexing error. The ones that annoy >me are that damn nasty pitch-shift in `Rocky Paths' on the EBS _Sonic >Attack_ and the lack of split between `Choose Your Masques' and >`Dreamworker' on CYM. That one annoys me because I'd quite like to leave >off CYM and begin the album with `Dreamworker' :-) Ah, OK. I never picked up any of the EBS *reissues* (to be honest, SA, CoH & CYM are three Hawkwind albums I never listen to), so I wasn't aware that the indexing was screwed up on those. That IS bad (especially since I pride myself on indexing stuff well when I transfer from tape or vinyl to CD). >But yeah, the >information is correct, by and large, just the technology is beyond >people. All the tracks have their names given, which is more than you can >say for the Kingdom Come re-releases on Voiceprint. And IYA is a horrible >mish-mash, but only because the person doing the sleeve and the person >doing the indexing clearly got told different things about what the tracks >were. The actual information is still right. Sloppy but they give the >impression of being concerned anyway :-) At least those of use who are fans can figure out the way it was *supposed* to work, although I'm always amused when I hear college radio DJ's back- announce the wrong song title because a CD was mis-indexed (at least these Voiceprint ones are far from the only ones in the industry as a whole). [re: Yule Ritual] > Yes, I remember talking to Alan about that when Bedouin played >Cambridge, and there was some reason they couldn't use that tape; I'm not >sure it had everything on. But on the other hand that was while they were >still talking about it so I don't know whether that was eventually the >case or not. But was the overly-processed bass sound printed to the tape they *did* have to use? (Where the heck did that tape come from, in that case?) It's not *that* difficult (especially for a pro like Alan) to re-record the entire bass part for a live album, if necessary (just ask Phil Lynott or Gene Simmons [probably Gene Simmons' bass tech, actually]). Oh well, it comes down to the fact that one of these days I need to obtain an audience tape of the gig, after which I'll probably never listen to 'Yule Ritual' again. >> The recent 'Nottingham 90' release is quite excellent... > > I'll get it at some point. Hard to be too fussed when _Palace >Springs_ exists. Ah, but Simon House is only on two tracks of 'Palace Springs', while he's on almost an entire CD of 'Nottingham 90'. (Also, you get Bridget on N90, but that isn't nearly as big a deal to me ... and probably a minus to some [but not me!].) [re: Glastonbury 90] >> My point is, that for this particular tape, there's nothing that you can >> really do until you invent a time machine, go back, and shoot the dog. > > Fair enough. If it wasn't in the HMV racks at full-price I would >probably love this album anyway, the band were very clearly On. But it is. I'll concur with that summary (Harvey's "piano solo" on 'The Door' cracks me up, but I enjoy it all). > Well, we have a kind of middle ground here, where Voiceprint >haven't signed HW as far as we know (they don't do that sort of thing >anyway, do they?) but are e. g. doing promotion and merchandising for >them. They're quite at liberty to consider HW a cash cow of course but it >smarts that the band are happy to do this too. Can't say I blame them >given the cash involved, so I have to blame Voiceprint, simple :-) Fair enough, but it looks to me like all parties involved are out to make a quick buck (which I have no problem with, but it does make me want to assign the "blame" more equally). > Andy Gilham reckoned, some time before his site was pulled, that >around the time of _Epoch Eclipse_ there might have been an EMI deal for >HW had they not then flooded EMI's potential market with substandard >product priced below HMV's. This would certainly be nothing new for Hawkwind, since, allegedly, the reason why they haven't had a major label deal in two decades is because of all the stuff that was released through Flicknife while they were signed to RCA. >I don't know if he knew that such a deal had >been offered or was just hypothesising, but it sounded plausible to me >then and still sounds that way now. By now, I wouldn't think that they quite have the commercial potential to attract much interest from the majors (as is the case with most of my favorite bands). Probably the only way it would happen would be if a certain ex-manager rammed them down the throat of a major because said major wanted to get its hands on a hot band currently managed by said ex- manager (pay careful attention to the copyright/performance right information on the two "new" tracks on that recent EMI 'Masters of Rock' CD). >But I agree with you about _Weird >106_. The same fate befell the GTP release after all (and the >relevant material is the same isn't it?) Exactly. I'm sure they were both pulled for the same reason ... and too bad, since they'd both be great additions to the catalog. Interesting that Voiceprint has no trouble reissuing Man's segment of the GTP album (and the bulk of their UA catalog) ... I guess that shows that Hawkwind still DO have enough commercial potential to interest a major label in maintaining their back catalog, which puts them ahead of Man in that respect (or maybe there are completely unrelated reasons for this). >> (the first 3 Pink Floyd singles on one CD ... > > That is very cool, I got it when it came out a few years back. But >they still haven't done the *next* three singles (with `Scream thy Last >Scream and `Vegetable Man' as bonus tracks obviously :-) ) and I wish they >would. It's an obvious massive seller so why not? At least those two tracks, yes! (I don't really miss not having a copy of "It Would Be So Nice", and the 'Ummagumma' version of "Careful With That Axe Eugene" is vastly superior IMHO.) From what I've heard, neither Gilmour nor Waters will consent to the release of "Scream" and "Vegetable". Oh well, I've got 'em on bootleg, and Gilmour/Waters certainly don't need MY money. >> I guess you get to pick >> two items out of three when you select your reissue label: >> 1) Reasonably priced CD's >> 2) Good royalties paid >> 3) Quality product > > HW only got (2) though. IMO. I don't know if the US prices are >better but the 2CD collector sets go for GBP16.99 over here and the single >CDs for not less than 10. This is local HMV I'm citing, though, I have >seen them cheaper even in shops but that was second-hand (very soon after >they came out, too... ) With a few weird exceptions ($25 for 'Spacebrock'?!?), they're very reasonably priced in the USA. I think mostly around $12 for the singles and $22-ish for the doubles, which is about the same as the jewel case EMI remasters. While new major label releases are more like $18/$30. [re: Text of Festival] > I was listening to that earlier, actually, and am now >wondering. Does anyone know who's on bass for the 1970 portion? By my >reckoning it should be Thomas Crimble but I don't have very good data on >this and I wonder if I have the date he joined wrong, as I thought he >wasn't on record. Also, how much of it *is* the 1970 portion? I can only >hear lead guitar on `Hurry on Sundown' but I thought today there was maybe >also some on `Seeing It As You Really Are'. And which bits are May >1971? Is it just the MotU? As I mentioned in the other message, it appears that "Hurry On Sundown" is the only cut from 1970, and the bassist is, indeed, Crimble. > That in itself raises another question. There are three verses in >that MotU, the third one muttered while Nik bleats sax over it, but the >vocals sound like Nik to me. Is there over-dubbing even on this ropey >release? If not, whose is the voice? And does Nik sing the rest, because >it sounds like the same voice to me... Confused am I. Any help appreciatd, >I guess Bernhard can settle my first question at least... And again, as I mentioned, Maida Vale BBC sessions are "semi-" studio recordings, so it would be expected for a lead vocal to have been overdubbed. >> Fortunately, there's sort of >> an alternate version of "Wage War" in the middle of the Hawklords (Weird >> 104) version of "Urban Guerilla" ... the words are almost the same. > > Ooh. I didn't know that. Well then. They're not *identical*, but I was shocked to hear how much overlap there was. (I was doing research for my Hawkwind tribute band, 'cause I wanted to do the Hawklords arrangement of "Urban Guerilla", with "Wage War" as the intro, but I realized that there would be too much redundancy for it to work without a bit of rearrangement ... of course, we never got around to doing that song anyway.) > Yes, we agree about the principle, but I was saying, my _Yuri_ at >least looks like it's awful, the Voiceprint stuff in some cases looks >great and sounds lousy, where it's great it looks poor, At least 'Glastonbury 90' looks pretty cheap (but that's the only real exception to your theory). >and these days the >_Yuri_ clones looks better than the real albums, and Dave Anderson should >be strung up. I think that's my position, roughly :-) It definitely would have been better for the investment to have been made in sonic cleanup (although we both know perfectly well that no amount of cash can improve an already-recorded performance), rather than pretty album art ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 21 21:17:08 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:17:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200208220058.UAA25562@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200208220058.UAA25562 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >Simon House is only on two tracks of 'Palace Springs', while he's >on almost an entire CD of 'Nottingham 90'. That would be a reason to get it then... but... > (Also, you get Bridget on N90, >but that isn't nearly as big a deal to me ... and probably a minus to some I'm one of the "some". How much of it is she on? -- Nick Medford From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 22 00:19:51 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:51 +1000 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: Greetings I am a fairly recent addition to this list & don't know too much about these "Wierd" Recordings. Is there somewhere where I can view the contents of each recording & perhaps buy them on CD, using a Visa. as I am in Australia? Thanks, in advance, for any info. Allan Sharpe From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 22 00:55:10 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:55:10 +1000 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour Message-ID: Suzi has an older sister, Patti, who was in a band called Fanny - a couple of US hits but nothing in the UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour > Greetings all, > > I was in the pub yesterday with a mate, and the talk got onto music. He > told me that he'd read (many years ago) in some magazine or other that > Stacia was Suzi Quattro's sister. > > Obviously I had a good beery chortle at his expense, but later I got to > wondering if anyone else had ever heard this, and if so, where this gem may > have come from?!! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (Still boggling at the obvious differences between the two!) :-) > > (Err, if you see what I mean...) > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Aug 22 01:29:47 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:29:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour In-Reply-To: <005101c24998$19837f20$4903a6cb@default>; from sharpies@IDX.COM.AU on Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 02:55:10PM +1000 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 02:55:10PM +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: > Suzi [Q] has an older sister, Patti, who was in a band called Fanny - a couple > of US hits but nothing in the UK. And their brother's name is Audi :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu Aug 22 05:42:06 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (Warburton, Chris (OAG)) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:42:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour Message-ID: Eric wrote: >On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 02:55:10PM +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: >> Suzi [Q] has an older sister, Patti, who was in a band called Fanny - >> a couple of US hits but nothing in the UK. > >And their brother's name is Audi :-) Get yer coat - Mr. Lockwood knows where the cloakroom is... ChrisW Weaned on Pedigree From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 05:58:14 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:58:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Bizarre Stacia rumour Message-ID: > Eric wrote: > >On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 02:55:10PM +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: > >> Suzi [Q] has an older sister, Patti, who was in a band called Fanny - > >> a couple of US hits but nothing in the UK. > > > >And their brother's name is Audi :-) > > Get yer coat - Mr. Lockwood knows where the cloakroom is... > Hey - that wasn't me! (For once!) I was however considering mentioning the fact that Britney Spears has a little sister called Broccoli... NOW I'll get my coat. :-) Cheers, Rich. > ChrisW > Weaned on Pedigree > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 22 09:27:20 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:27:20 EDT Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: Palace Springs? Only Back in the Box if I am not mistaken. Tis a great album and I quite like Bridgets vocals. Am I correct in my assumption, gathered from what I have read thru this mail list, that she wasn't very popular? Or is this just a case of the minority speaking the loudest?? I had really hoped that she would be at the Hawkestra. Sam Fox' shapley bod was indeed captivating but I would have been just as, if not more, happy to have ms Bridget singing. In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:18:07 AEDT, Nick Medford writes: > In message <200208220058.UAA25562 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug > Pearson writes > >Simon House is only on two tracks of 'Palace Springs', while he's > >on almost an entire CD of 'Nottingham 90'. > > That would be a reason to get it then... but... > > > > (Also, you get Bridget on N90, > >but that isn't nearly as big a deal to me ... and probably a minus to some > > I'm one of the "some". How much of it is she on? > -- > Nick Medford From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 22 09:31:49 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:31:49 EDT Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings - CALLING ANDY G!! Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:20:25 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: > Greetings > > I am a fairly recent addition to this list & don't know too much about these > "Wierd" Recordings. > > Is there somewhere where I can view the contents of each recording & perhaps > buy them on CD, using a Visa. as I am in Australia? > > Thanks, in advance, for any info. > > Allan Sharpe Andy G at cd services can help you there. He is a member of this list and has helped this Candian born Hawkfan residing in Australia with quite a few HW cd's. Calling Andy G??? Welcome to the list Michael From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 12:10:07 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:10:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <4e.fe183d6.2a9640b9@aol.com> Message-ID: In message <4e.fe183d6.2a9640b9 at aol.com>, Michael W Blackman writes >Palace Springs? Only Back in the Box if I am not mistaken. Indeed, but I was asking about Live 1990. How much Bridgett on that? -- Nick Medford From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 22 14:05:17 2002 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:05:17 +0100 Subject: GREASY TRUCKERS VIDS/HAWKFEST/BGG REVIEWS/vid downloads Message-ID: New videos ...available from Real Festival Music: THE NAKED TRUTH 1 and 2 - Inner City Unit and Hawkestra vids from the Greasy Truckers Party 2001with preview vid downloads: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/videos.html New RFM festy reviews ...with pics and vid downloads Hawkparty, Seaton, Devon, 2002: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-hawk-camp-2002.html Big Green Gathering 2002: http://www.mercurymoon.co.uk/rfm/images-bgg-2002.html RFM Real Festival Music www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest festy CD's News Forum Healers Video Downloads From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Aug 22 13:39:10 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:39:10 -0300 Subject: invitation to review OEB song: Message-ID: If you have heard the tune, 'Runnin Around' ( standing still), by The One Eyed Bishops, or if you want hear it, go to www.undergroundmusiciansrailroad.com and click on 'charts'. You will see a listing for The OEBs and the song. Click on review it, and that's the whole process. Your support is greatly appreciated! Peace, Mike Burro PS: Feel free to repost this on any related listgroup From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Aug 22 16:15:20 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:20 -0400 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:51 +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: >I am a fairly recent addition to this list & don't know too much about >these "Wierd" Recordings. > >Is there somewhere where I can view the contents of each recording There are several Hawkwind discographies on the Internet, but here's one where you can see the tracklists and cover art for all of the currently- available Weird CD's: http://www.adawson.clara.net/list.html#W From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Aug 22 15:06:47 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:06:47 -0300 Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] invitation to review OEB song: URL CORRECTION Message-ID: try: http://undergroundmusiciansrailroad.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:42 PM To: boc-l at listserv.spc.edu; Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com; Rotlarek at aol.com Subject: [SLOTERDIJK-Pod] invitation to review OEB song: If you have heard the tune, 'Runnin Around' ( standing still), by The One Eyed Bishops, or if you want hear it, go to www.undergroundmusiciansrailroad.com and click on 'charts'. You will see a listing for The OEBs and the song. Click on review it, and that's the whole process. Your support is greatly appreciated! Peace, Mike Burro PS: Feel free to repost this on any related listgroup Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT "One Is" Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Aug 22 18:30:33 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:30:33 -0700 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: Anyone know Mr. Moorcock's attitude towards autographs? Apparently he's going to be at WorldCon, just down the road, and I'm wondering if I could get him to put pen to my New World's Fair lp... scorch From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Aug 22 18:35:44 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:35:44 -0500 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: He Auto'd a bunch of stuff for me at a book signing including my Copy of Warrior :-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. McCartney" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: Moorcock > Anyone know Mr. Moorcock's attitude towards autographs? > Apparently he's going to be at WorldCon, just down the > road, and I'm wondering if I could get him to put pen > to my New World's Fair lp... > > > scorch From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Aug 22 18:40:06 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:40:06 -0700 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: > He Auto'd a bunch of stuff for me at a book signing including my Copy of > Warrior :-) > > Rich W Ok, sounds like I'm good as long as I don't bring Time Of The Hawklords... :) scorch From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 18:44:48 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:44:48 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: Subject: Moorcock > Anyone know Mr. Moorcock's attitude towards autographs? > Apparently he's going to be at WorldCon, just down the > road, and I'm wondering if I could get him to put pen > to my New World's Fair lp... I`ve met Mike a few times and he`s always been quite happy to autograph anything put in front of him in my experience. Si From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Aug 22 19:06:52 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:06:52 -0400 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: Of course you could always try MISSION CONTROL http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/sr_.htm *sigh* Rx On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:20 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: >On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:51 +1000, Allan Sharpe >wrote: >>I am a fairly recent addition to this list & don't know too much about >>these "Wierd" Recordings. >> >>Is there somewhere where I can view the contents of each recording > >There are several Hawkwind discographies on the Internet, but here's one >where you can see the tracklists and cover art for all of the currently- >available Weird CD's: > >http://www.adawson.clara.net/list.html#W From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Thu Aug 22 23:06:19 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:06:19 +0000 Subject: re the tree has nine leaves - will you pick them? Message-ID: Yo!! The time of the coming of the funney little fungii people is nearlly upon us:-) Chris Michaelangelo68 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:34:17 AEDT, "Captain Bl at ck" writes: > > > Dear Keef, > > > > If you can send me the universe that would do fine. Please pack well. > > > > Tks, > > > > Captain Bl at ck. > > The universe can easily be contained on a small little wh-wh-wh-white peice of blotter paper. Very convienient when your combi van is already overloaded on those long trips. > Ahhhhhh to tip toe across the universe so elegantly one star at a time, echoes of future past and present spring to mind, as ambient music is born from unearthly design, the sleepers awaken to a deeper state of mind. From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Thu Aug 22 22:44:46 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:44:46 +1000 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: Actually Rik, now that you mention it, I should have gone to Mission Control in the first place. Oh yeah & Rik, don't you take that attitude with me.....(mmm how to get across sarcasm without the tonal effects - not easy - this email thing will never work :) ) Thanks for the help everyone, I have ordered Weird 2, 4 & 5 through Voiceprint - after a listen I may order the rest. I think 3 CD's for 25 pounds (that's about Aus$50) isn't too bad. Cheers (back to lurker mode) Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: Re: HW: "Weird" Recordings > Of course you could always try MISSION CONTROL > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/sr_.htm From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 23 06:22:19 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:22:19 EDT Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:15:23 AEDT, Nick Medford writes: > In message <4e.fe183d6.2a9640b9 at aol.com>, Michael W Blackman > writes > >Palace Springs? Only Back in the Box if I am not mistaken. > > Indeed, but I was asking about Live 1990. How much Bridgett on that? > -- > Nick Medford When it arrives I shall let thee knowest :-) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 23 08:52:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:52:35 EDT Subject: re the tree has nine leaves - will you pick them? Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:08:21 AEDT, Chris writes: > Yo!! > > The time of the coming of the funney little fungii people is nearlly > upon us:-) Its all fart jokes with that lot...... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 23 10:16:41 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:16:41 +0100 Subject: Moorcock In-Reply-To: John H. McCartney's message of Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:30:33 -0700 Message-ID: John H. McCartney writes: > Anyone know Mr. Moorcock's attitude towards autographs? > Apparently he's going to be at WorldCon, just down the > road, and I'm wondering if I could get him to put pen > to my New World's Fair lp... IME he's generally cool about it if you approach him at an appropriate time. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 10:33:23 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:33:23 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > IME he's generally cool about it if you approach him at an appropriate > time. Oooh...that's deep! From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Aug 23 13:00:12 2002 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: Liquid Len's email In-Reply-To: <3D65A6AB.78A55DF7@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Hi all I have been approached by one of the member's of Nektar to find out where to locate Liquid Len. This is a serious request as Nektar is presently touring as you all (should) know. If anyone has his email or physical mailing please email me off list at mikemont at nycap.rr.com Thanks in advance. Mike From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Fri Aug 23 13:33:10 2002 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:33:10 -0700 Subject: Liquid Len's email Message-ID: Well, I don't have contact info, but if someone should inquire of Peter Gabriel/RealWorld, a lead may be found. Liquid Len has been working for PG on his tours for years. Of course, since Gabriel is gearing up for a tour starting soon, Mr. Smeeton may be a bit busy... scorch > I have been approached by one of the member's of Nektar to find out where to > locate Liquid Len. > > This is a serious request as Nektar is presently touring as you all (should) > know. > > If anyone has his email or physical mailing please email me off list at > > mikemont at nycap.rr.com > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Aug 23 14:07:24 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:07:24 -0400 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: Me ? Sarcastic? perih the thought :-} On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:44:46 +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: >Actually Rik, now that you mention it, I should have gone to Mission Control >in the first place. Oh yeah & Rik, don't you take that attitude with >me.....(mmm how to get across sarcasm without the tonal effects - not easy - >this email thing will never work :) ) > >Thanks for the help everyone, I have ordered Weird 2, 4 & 5 through >Voiceprint - after a listen I may order the rest. I think 3 CD's for 25 >pounds (that's about Aus$50) isn't too bad. > >Cheers (back to lurker mode) >Allan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Rx" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:06 AM >Subject: Re: HW: "Weird" Recordings > > >> Of course you could always try MISSION CONTROL >> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/sr_.htm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Aug 23 14:52:50 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:52:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:17:08 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <200208220058.UAA25562 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug >Pearson writes >>Simon House is only on two tracks of 'Palace Springs', while he's >>on almost an entire CD of 'Nottingham 90'. > >That would be a reason to get it then... but... > >> (Also, you get Bridget on N90, ... probably a minus to some > >I'm one of the "some". How much of it is she on? Of the part of disc 2 of N90 that Simon's on, you'd want to skip over: The Seventh Star Back in the Box the middle part of Ejection that isn't the song Ejection Your Secret's Safe With Me ... while you'd be fine with: Assault & Battery Golden Void (although Bridget sings backing vocals on this one) Out of the Shadows Night of the Hawks Utopia Ejection (the actual Ejection part) Damnation Alley parts 1 & 2 ... and given that Simon's playing is very hot on these (IMO), I'd think you'd find this a worthy purchase if you're enough of a fan of him. Just to clarify, there's a separate Bridget song (no idea what the title is) in the middle of "Ejection" that's not separately indexed or credited (just one more example to add to our discussion, Jon!). Hopefully this will help with your decision ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Aug 23 17:04:40 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:04:40 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 8/17 and Reminder Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. REMINDER: Tune in tomorrow (Saturday) from 5-7pm PST for more of the same. 8/17 (5-9pm) 1.Hawkwind-- "Abducted/Death Trap/Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind?" (Love in Space; EBS) 2.F/i-- "Psychological Warfare Testing" (Out of Space, Out of Time CD/Vinyl Box set; RRRecords) 3.Harmonia-- "Notre Dame" (De Luxe; Brain) 4.Silver Apples/Colorsound-- "Simeon meets Little Angel" (Remixes; Third Stone) 5.Porcupine Tree-- "And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun" (Stars Die Anthology) 6.Korai Orom-- "Track #3" (Sound and Vision 2000; Kora) 7.Tangle Edge-- "Antiscion" (thanks to Morten) 8.Frank Zappa-- "Filthy Habits" (Sleep Dirt; Rykodisc) 9.Upsilon Acrux-- "Plate Tectonics/45 Seconds " (Last Train Out; Daft Alliance/Hactivist) 10.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Hobo Chang Ba/The Blimp" (Trout Mask Replica; Reprise/Bizarre) 11.Phillip Kane-- "Tonight" (Songs for Swinging Lovers; thanks to Corrupt Records!) 12.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Essplode" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 13.Pretty Things-- "Private Sorrow" (S.F. Sorrow; Snapper) 14.Floating Flower-- "Johsho Kiryu" (1st; Black Plastic Sound) 15.Gong-- "Radio Gnome Invisible" (Flying Teapot; Charly/Decal) 16.Ozric Tentacles-- "Ayurvedic" (Live Underslunky; Snapper) 17.Alien Dream-- "Stardust" (Dogon Dance) 18.Tea Party-- "The Majestic Song" (Splendor Solis; Crysalis) 19.AMP-- "Onehopesinuncertainty" (Astralmoonbeamprojections; Kranky) 20.Tangerine Dream-- "Fauni Gena" (Atem; Sequel/Castle) 21.The Brain-- "Vortex in My Cortex" (Space Box comp; Cleopatra) 22.Cluster-- "Fur die Katz" (II; Spalax) 23.Pressurehed-- "The Right Stuff" (Sudden Vertigo; Cleopatra) 24.Salaryman-- "Strong Holder" (Karoshi; City Slang) 25.ST 37-- "Translunar Injection" (Secret Society; Lost/Timothy's Brain) 26.Spirits Burning-- "Drive-By Poetry" (Reflections in a Radio Shower; Musea/Gazul) 27.Spacehead-- "Warriors of Time/Repair Your Id" (Inhalations: Explode Into Space; Dead Ernest) 28.Shape of the Rain-- "Broken Man" (Previously Unreleased Recordings '66-'73; Hi-Note/Background) 29.Shape of the Rain-- "We're Not Their Boys" (Prev. Unreleased Recordings) 30.Flower Travellin' Band-- "Satori Pt. 2" (Satori; Warner Japan ) 31.H.P. Lovecraft-- "Drifter" (Live May 11th '68; Sundazed/Tutman) 32.Knights of the Occasional Table-- "On Having No Head" (Planet Sweet; Middle Earth/Jungle) 33.Igra Staklenih Perli-- "Majestetski Kraj" (ST'd) 34.Horchata/Ocosi-- "Handshake" (ST'd; Zero 1) 35.Celtic Frost-- "Into the Crypts of Rays" (Morbid Tales; Noise) 36.Lightning Bolt-- "13 Monsters" (Ride the Skies; Load) 37.Anubian Lights-- "Mars" (Live w/Nik Turner; Strange Trips) thanks, Chuck From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 22:37:01 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:37:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <200208231852.OAA03694@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200208231852.OAA03694 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > >Of the part of disc 2 of N90 that Simon's on, you'd want to skip over: Thanks Doug! She isn't on disc 1 at all then? -- Nick Medford From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Aug 24 06:16:22 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:16:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? Message-ID: Hi Nick >>Of the part of disc 2 of N90 that Simon's on, you'd want to skip over: > >Thanks Doug! She isn't on disc 1 at all then? Doug was just refering to the Live Legends part of the set (two thirds of CD2). Bridgett *is* featured on the other show (CD1 & CD2, first section). She appears on: CD1 Ejection (spoken intro only) The Seventh Star (vocals on first minute only) TV Suicide (backing vox) CD2 Back In The Box Images plus the Live Legends tracks noted by Doug. But I have to say that this is a terrific set - even if you're no fan of Bridgett's vocals. The Live Legends set is worth the admission price alone, but the late 1990 set is pretty damn hot too, IMHO. Hope that helps to clarify. Dave From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 24 06:54:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:54:53 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 8/17 and Reminder Message-ID: Excellent line up you have there!! Excellent! In a message dated Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:05:55 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. > Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims > TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: > For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing > list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. > > REMINDER: Tune in tomorrow (Saturday) from 5-7pm PST for more of the same. > > 8/17 (5-9pm) > > 1.Hawkwind-- "Abducted/Death Trap/Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind?" (Love > in Space; EBS) > 2.F/i-- "Psychological Warfare Testing" (Out of Space, Out of Time CD/Vinyl > Box set; RRRecords) > > 3.Harmonia-- "Notre Dame" (De Luxe; Brain) > 4.Silver Apples/Colorsound-- "Simeon meets Little Angel" (Remixes; Third > Stone) > 5.Porcupine Tree-- "And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun" (Stars Die > Anthology) > 6.Korai Orom-- "Track #3" (Sound and Vision 2000; Kora) > 7.Tangle Edge-- "Antiscion" (thanks to Morten) > > 8.Frank Zappa-- "Filthy Habits" (Sleep Dirt; Rykodisc) > 9.Upsilon Acrux-- "Plate Tectonics/45 Seconds " (Last Train Out; > Daft Alliance/Hactivist) > 10.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Hobo Chang Ba/The Blimp" (Trout Mask > Replica; Reprise/Bizarre) > 11.Phillip Kane-- "Tonight" (Songs for Swinging Lovers; thanks to Corrupt > Records!) > 12.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Essplode" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) > 13.Pretty Things-- "Private Sorrow" (S.F. Sorrow; Snapper) > > 14.Floating Flower-- "Johsho Kiryu" (1st; Black Plastic Sound) > 15.Gong-- "Radio Gnome Invisible" (Flying Teapot; Charly/Decal) > 16.Ozric Tentacles-- "Ayurvedic" (Live Underslunky; Snapper) > 17.Alien Dream-- "Stardust" (Dogon Dance) > 18.Tea Party-- "The Majestic Song" (Splendor Solis; Crysalis) > > 19.AMP-- "Onehopesinuncertainty" (Astralmoonbeamprojections; Kranky) > 20.Tangerine Dream-- "Fauni Gena" (Atem; Sequel/Castle) > 21.The Brain-- "Vortex in My Cortex" (Space Box comp; Cleopatra) > 22.Cluster-- "Fur die Katz" (II; Spalax) > 23.Pressurehed-- "The Right Stuff" (Sudden Vertigo; Cleopatra) > > 24.Salaryman-- "Strong Holder" (Karoshi; City Slang) > 25.ST 37-- "Translunar Injection" (Secret Society; Lost/Timothy's Brain) > 26.Spirits Burning-- "Drive-By Poetry" (Reflections in a Radio Shower; > Musea/Gazul) > 27.Spacehead-- "Warriors of Time/Repair Your Id" (Inhalations: Explode Into > Space; Dead Ernest) > 28.Shape of the Rain-- "Broken Man" (Previously Unreleased Recordings > '66-'73; Hi-Note/Background) > > 29.Shape of the Rain-- "We're Not Their Boys" (Prev. Unreleased Recordings) > 30.Flower Travellin' Band-- "Satori Pt. 2" (Satori; Warner Japan Keith--safe journey!>) > 31.H.P. Lovecraft-- "Drifter" (Live May 11th '68; Sundazed/Tutman) > > 32.Knights of the Occasional Table-- "On Having No Head" (Planet Sweet; > Middle Earth/Jungle) > 33.Igra Staklenih Perli-- "Majestetski Kraj" (ST'd) > 34.Horchata/Ocosi-- "Handshake" (ST'd; Zero 1) > 35.Celtic Frost-- "Into the Crypts of Rays" (Morbid Tales; Noise) > 36.Lightning Bolt-- "13 Monsters" (Ride the Skies; Load) > > 37.Anubian Lights-- "Mars" (Live w/Nik Turner; Strange Trips) > > thanks, Chuck From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 24 08:02:46 2002 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:02:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Voiceprint, and How do you like your Hawkwind sir? In-Reply-To: <001201c24b57$54ef44c0$86219dc3@merlinas> Message-ID: In message <001201c24b57$54ef44c0$86219dc3 at merlinas>, Dave Bottomley writes >Hi Nick > >>>Of the part of disc 2 of N90 that Simon's on, you'd want to skip over: >> >>Thanks Doug! She isn't on disc 1 at all then? > >Doug was just refering to the Live Legends part of the set (two thirds of >CD2). Thanks Dave I know I'll succumb and get this album sooner or later... resistance is futile. -- Nick Medford From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Aug 24 08:16:56 2002 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:16:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show + Slutfish Records label special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcements (August 24, 2002): We've just uploaded the following new radio shows. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #56: General Playlist Aural Innovations Radio Show #55: Slutfish Records Label Special Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #56: General Playlist Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso U.F.O. - "Spaced Out" (from Tryptaphonic Mind Explosion) Floating Flowers - "Shizuku No Youni" (from 1st + 2nd) Skywave - "Seen It All" (from Don't Say Slow") The Warlocks - "Jam Of The Zombies" (from The Warlocks) Lamp Of The Universe - "Resonance" (from Echo In Light) Jean-Pierre Saccomani - "Some Times Ago" (from Music For Time) Afresco Mantis - "Arizpheric Bush" (from The Harris Tweed EP) Scattered Planets - "Donner Colony" (from Drinking With Aliens) Seid - "5/4" (from Among The Monster Flowers Again) Spiritu - "Clean Livin" (from Spiritu) Lecanoscope - "Asaresult" (from Comparing Notes) Ectogram - "Prime Planet Locks" (from Tall Things Falling) ST 37 - "Ghosts Of Tempera Nymphs" (from The Invisible College) Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show #55: Slutfish Records Label Special Slutfish Records is the home to JFK Jr Royal Airforce and The Billy Syndrome. JFK Jr play some of the best space acid garage mindfuck music of the last decade. The music is raw, cosmically in yer face, and they rock. And Billy Syndrome is similar, though while JFK Jr travel the spaceier realms, Billy Syndrome is more garage psychedelic and often quite humorous. Visit their web site at: http://www.slutfishrecords.com. JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Sonic Youth" (from JFK Jr Royal Airforce) The Billy Syndrome - "Clowns Don't Settle Down" (from Stratego) The Billy Syndrome - "Karma" (from Stupidest Show On Earth) JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Impartially Fiber-Bananna" (from 2) Billy Syndrome - "2000 Light Years Away From You" (from 2000 Pounds Of Joy) The Billy Syndrome - "Neurotic" (from Stupidest Show On Earth) The Billy Syndrome - "Message Is A Mess" (from Stratego) JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Devils & Gods" (from JFK Jr Royal Airforce) Billy Syndrome - "Brake Jake" (from Now) Billy Syndrome - "21st Century Blues" (from Now) The Geeky Dorks - "My Pussy Hurts" (from The Geeky Dorks) JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Take The Chicken From The Man And Give It To The People" (from 2) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Aug 24 08:21:38 2002 From: t.byrne at NTLWORLD.COM (t.byrne) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:21:38 +0100 Subject: Nektar Message-ID: Have details on precisely when and where this is been released yet? Regards Tom Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:10:36 +0100 From: dave hall Subject: Nektar in London Anyone going to the gig in late November? Dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 24 14:39:10 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:39:10 -0300 Subject: HW:OFF: OEBs at Warmdaddy's POSTPONED again!! Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishops will NOT play on September 2, nor 3rd at 'Warmdaddy's'. I apologize for these cancellations but, we are just not able to make it. We will do the appearance as soon as possible, but will not announce it till we are absolutely sure it's going down..Peace, Mike From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Aug 24 17:28:07 2002 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:28:07 +0100 Subject: HW:Interview Message-ID: In case anybody hasn't seen it, there is a recent interview with Tim Blake at www.ccnewz.com under 'articles'. Issue 3 also includes a full page interview with Richard and Simon. Captain Bl at ck. From Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Aug 24 19:35:26 2002 From: Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Andrew Garibaldi) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:35:26 +0100 Subject: HW: "Weird" Recordings Message-ID: Yes - a good deal - shame though that Voiceprint are trying to eradicate anyone else selling Hawkwind stuff though. They sell to the customer at a slightly higher price than they sell to the retailer - I think it's called judge, jury and executioner. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:44 AM Subject: Re: HW: "Weird" Recordings > Thanks for the help everyone, I have ordered Weird 2, 4 & 5 through > Voiceprint - after a listen I may order the rest. I think 3 CD's for 25 > pounds (that's about Aus$50) isn't too bad. > > Cheers (back to lurker mode) > Allan > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Aug 25 12:03:24 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: HW:Interview Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. Very interesting. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: HW:Interview In case anybody hasn't seen it, there is a recent interview with Tim Blake at www.ccnewz.com under 'articles'. Issue 3 also includes a full page interview with Richard and Simon. Captain Bl at ck. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 25 16:39:22 2002 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:39:22 +0100 Subject: Nektar Message-ID: Go to www.classicrockproductions.com . Nektar are supporting Uriah Heep on 29 November. I've just bought me ticket!! If you're going, and that applies to all on the list, make it known!! Beers await. Dave -----Original Message----- From: t.byrne To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 24 August 2002 13:21 Subject: Re: Nektar >Have details on precisely when and where this is been released yet? > >Regards > >Tom > >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:10:36 +0100 >From: dave hall >Subject: Nektar in London > >Anyone going to the gig in late November? > >Dave > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 06:28:49 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:28:49 +0100 Subject: Early Hawkwind stuff Message-ID: I've acquired some cuttings of early Hawkwind reviews from the music press. I'll be posting them here as they'll presumably be of interest. Thanks to Jill Strobridge for typing them up. Has anyone ever tried to put together a Quark disc of Hawkwind interviews and reviews? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 06:31:02 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:31:02 +0100 Subject: Dave Brock (Melody Maker 26/06/71) Message-ID: MELODY MAKER June 26, 1971 (page 32) ANY QUESTIONS? Question: "We are hoping to set up some form of laboratory at my school (Tonbridge) for research into electronic music. I was wondering how Dikmik, of Hawkwind, made his Hawkwindiser and if he has any other ideas on how to make good electronic instruments cheaply." - J.N. Delpleish, Old Woking, Surrey. Answer: "We are using two audio generators and a ring modulator connected up to a Watkins Copicat echo unit which in turn goes through a 100 watt amplifier and speakers. We also have a VCS3 synthesiser which is being incorporated into the PA. Dikmik has now left the band to go to the East. As to getting some electronic things together yourselves I should go to a local radio shop and get a generator for testing radios and have a word with the guy in charge, as all things seem to cost so much these days. Keep at it." - DAVE BROCK, lead guitar and vocalist with Hawkwind. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 06:34:40 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:34:40 +0100 Subject: Interview (Melody Maker 12/08/1972) Message-ID: MELODY MAKER August 12, 1972 (page 29) HAWKWIND - the joke that made it by Andrew Means It was a rather hot and sticky trek across country, and the one thing that kept the stragglers shuffling was the narrowing proximity of music. Over the next hill, round the next bend the army of the new age had gathered, half a million strong. The Isle of Wight was being graced with some of the greatest names in rock. Backstage the superstars were standing on each other's feet, front stage the people were suffering from an overdose of adoration. And outside the wire fences some minor league band from London had the arrogance to play a free set for people who couldn't, or wouldn't or didn't choose to pay the festival fee. It was Hawkwind's first major assault. Word spread about this bizarre travelling circus that played outside the gates or in the street, that blocked up pavements and made noise where byelaws said noise wasn't meant to be. It was a joke. Hawkwind - the people's band. It would never pay the rent, and it would never reach the vast majority of normal, well adjusted people's people who naturally wanted their entertainment dotted with sequins. Hawkwind grew. Nothing could stop them. The myth developed. There's a Hawkwind cult now that is almost as vital to their [gags] as the music. No matter which part of the country they play in the audience is basically the same. Every gig is a stage for local fantasies. Bottled up extrovert tendencies explode into fancy dress and painted faces as if some messiah had given the sign. It's a precarious position for a group to be in. Hordes of dedicated teenagers regard them as the revolution personified, and with "Silver Machine" slicing through the chart some of them must be ticking off the days to the take over with increasing impatience. So much is implied by Hawkwind that if you think of them as just a rock band you're deceiving yourself. The regimented peace signs flashed from the audience imply more than that, and so does sax and flute player, Nik Turner's preference for ambiguous music. You can suggest everything and say nothing. If you do it carefully you achieve more than you ever would if you laid down dogma. The success of "Silver Machine" is like a vital chapter out of Animal Farm. It makes Hawkwind an altogether more powerful prospect than they were two years ago as a group for Isle of Wight outsiders. Their expanding reputation and financial assets must have boosted their expectations of their friends and followers. Yet understandably their single hasn't affected the group in the same way. In the words of Doug Smith, the group's visionary manager, they regard it as two fingers in the air to a music business that used to write them off. Nothing more. It doesn't trigger plans for a coup d'etat because there never were such plans. The group's more [conscentious] members - Dave [Brick] (guitar), Nik Turner (sax) and Del [Dettnar] (synthesiser) - insist that their objectives and activities will remain much the same as before. They aim at the head. Once people are given the incentive they will undertake their own metamorphoses. This ability to plant their myth in to popular imagination has played a large part in their making. Hawkwind is a movement, not just a group. In a quite mundane sense, they have a reputation for having one of the largest retinues in the music business. Far more important is the empathy they achieve with many reaching in the same direction as themselves. Some eminent people are apparently interested in their ideas, among them Sir Patrick Moore. The fact that they are now hot news has made little impression upon their gigs. At Hastings last week the atmosphere was much as it had been at similar gigs four weeks ago. Dave Brock managed to break a couple of guitar strings and Lemmy even succeeded in doing the same with a bass string. The result was that they played part of the set out of tune, to the [discomforts] of Doug Smith. But hang around at the close of one of their gigs and watch the way friends and followers religiously make their pilgrimage on stage and how they sidle past the [spealers] and the roadies and the rubbish right up to Nik Turner's side. Turner sits and peers [vacanty] around the [halll], while the little half circle around him shuffle uncomfortably into incredulous conversation. Probably the only aspect that comes out in their gigs and which bothers the bulk of their audiences is space but the other subjects are there waiting to be explored. Maybe their teen following comes to hear heavy lift-off music, but its impossible to ignore the imaginative ideas of the group and of Bob [Calvery], once a performing member and now purely a writer of their material. If their preparations work out and the audience plays its part, Hawkwind's first major bill topping concert - at London's Rainbow next Sunday - should reveal how far their ambitions to project an environment go. Picture: [Stacia dancing in a loose-flowing robe} titled: STACIA something like Isadora Duncan Picture: {Nik Turner with sax singing into a microphone} titled: HAWKWIND'S DOUG SMITH: discomfort. TRIPPING THE LIGHT FANTASTIC For a girl brought up by nuns to strip off on stage before hundreds of people may seem somewhat anomalous. But Stacia, who performs with Hawkwind, goes into her act with no inhibitions and firmly but gently discounts any suggestion that she falls into the "stripper" category. Not that she scorns strippers. She would not dispute that "maybe 99 per cent" of such ladies' acts are motivated by erotic content. "But some of them are real artists," she says. "And they must fulfil a need," says Stacia with benign tolerance. She is certainly not prepared to pass any adverse judgement on them. Stacia categorises her act with Hawkwind as "free-form dancing. It's something like Isadora Duncan," says Stacia. And modestly adds: "Though she was a million times better than I am. But she is my idol." Stacia regards her original [motiviation] in disrobing as a means of overcoming an inherent shyness and lack of self-confidence. "I was always conscious about my height," she says. "I'm six foot tall, and when I was younger (she's still only 19) I was always stooping to disguise my height." Stacia, who comes from Exeter, had a variety of jobs before she joined Hawkwind. She worked as a bookbinder, in a garage, and in the record shop of a department store in Exeter. "But I was always interested in dancing and acting," she recalls. "Another of my interests was classical music - Delius, Mozart, Verdi, Wagner, Dvorak. That's when I was about eight. "Then I listened to the Beatles and jazz stars like Stan Getz, Billie Holiday and Dizzy Gillespie. Dancing and acting were my main interests but I was really too big and heavy to adopt these as a career. "I first heard Hawkwind at the Isle of Wight Festival - the one with Jimi Hendrix. Then I met them again when I went to London where they were rehearsing - at the Middle Earth. "Then they went back to the West Country again, and they were playing the Flamingo, Redruth, when I got up on stage and started dancing. It was one of those impromptu things that just happened. "I wasn't wearing any clothes on that gig; I had just covered my whole body in paint. "No; people watching did not regard it as a sexual thing. Hawkwind don't attract that type of audience. They reacted to my dancing as an expression of freedom. "That's when I started to do occasional gigs with Hawkwind. By then I had started to wear costumes. Before that, it was just paint." Stacia does not always disrobe. One gathers that she reacts to the music as the mood takes her. Stacia admits that outre suggestions have been put to her. "Somebody once approached me to do a pornographic film," she says. "I reacted quite violently - not physically, but verbally. I would never contemplate anything like that." And how do the male members of Hawkwind treat Stacia? "I regard them as brothers, and they treat me like a sister.["] - LAURIE HENSHAW =========================== [ ] indicates an error in the original text that I have not amended. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 06:35:59 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:35:59 +0100 Subject: Simon House (Melody Maker 19/10/1974) Message-ID: MELODY MAKER October 19, 1974 (page 46) HOUSE OF KEYBOARDS. Allan Jones meets Hawkwind's new boy wonder Simon House, master of space, time, keyboards violin - and the silent interview It's very perplexing this. I mean, here's Simon House, Hawkwind's new boy wonder keyboards, Mellotron and violin exponent in a state which could loosely be described as zomboid somnambulance, and here I am with a hour's worth of tape to fill, and a set of questions that provoke the most monosyllabic response you could hear this side of Van Morrison. It's rather like Conversation by Numbers. One nod for yes, two nods for no. If there is any part of the question you do not understand, or if you would like me to repeat all or part of the question, please beat your head against the wall three times. If you are still conscious I will repeat the question until you indicate your understanding. The thing is, though, Simon is a potentially interesting subject for an interview. He was, after all, a member of the ill-fated but interesting High Tide. Now that's a subject that seems to stir some life, so all is not lost. Simon, do you think we could talk a little about the band before we talk about your exploits with Hawkwind? "Uuuuh . . . Yeah. I don't remember much . . . Uuuuh, my memory's not all it could be." They were an underrated band, though? "I thought so, yeah." What were the kind of problems that caused you to finally split? "Uuuh, basically, it was money. A bit of untogetherness getting gigs and the record company wasn't too helpful. Plus there were some very strange people in the band. It was . . . uuuh, a very strange scene. They were all brilliant musicians, but a bit unstable. "It was a drag because we made two albums, and were making a third when we split. The third could have been The One, y'know. "Between the first and the second album there was quite a development. I think the second album was very good. It was very complex, perhaps a little too complex. I think if we re-formed now, the music wouldn't be as complex, because we've probably got over that. "It would have to be music with a good feeling, rather than very technical music. People still remember us, even in the States they ask me about High Tide." Now that was very good. Consecutive sentences. If we can keep that up, it'll be fine. But to continue. Having established some of his history with a few well chosen words, perhaps we could move on to the period between the demise of High Tide, and the time he joined the celebrated ranks of the Cosmic Warriors. What had he been involved in then? "Well . . I played with the Third Ear Band for most of the time. Uuuh . . for about two years. Then I had a year resting from the music business. Then I joined Hawkwind." Well that disposes of that. But it's rather a strange progression. The musical evolution from High Tide, Third Ear Band and on to the Psychedelic Warlords hardly smacks of logic. But as Simon explains, both High Tide and Hawkwind can be traced back to the same root. They came into existence at about the same time. He's known the band since then, and he even used to do the occasional gig with them when he was with the Third Ear Band. It was, really, quite a natural step to join. "It was about the end of the hippy season," he recalls a little hazily, referring to his first association with the Lords of Space, "which Hawkwind is still maintaining desperately . . . though it's no longer a very firm thing." That's hardly a word one would associate with Hawkwind is it? "What . . . Hippy?" Ah . .. . No. "Firm." Hawkwind have always been synonymous with a kind of fluidity, in terms of their development, line-ups even, and their attitudes. "Yeah, it's very loose. The band, though, is changing. It changes at its own speed. It's changed since I joined" In what ways exactly? Simply with the addition of yourself to the line-up? "That, and now we've got two drummers. And the music's changed as well. The songs that Dave is writing are different from the ones he used to write. Virtually everyone in the group is writing now." Was the change perceptible to people outside the band. After all, critics still seem to maintain the same kind of attitude to Hawkwind. There's something of a Standard Hawkwind Review which undermines whatever progression has been made on succeeding albums. "We're still unmistakably Hawkwind because it's still basically the same people. The foundation of the sound is the same. But the last album was a bit of a change, I think. Because of the Mellotron, I suppose, it's sounding a bit classical. A lot of people seem to like it. It's selling very well." That's a fact which can't be disputed. For so long Hawkwind have been regarded as little more than something akin to a psychedelic music hall joke, and now here they are, with "Hall Of The Mountain Grill," in both the English and US album charts. That's a reasonably impressive state of affairs for a bunch of fazed-out hippies to have reached. What, essentially, broke the band in America, Simon? "I dunno. It was probably because no other group like Hawkwind have ever played in America. That whole kind of theatrical show, the whole visuals and a dancer with big tits. And we're very loud. We haven't had any hit albums until now, although we've been over there three times. And each time it's been getting better. So it must be a word of mouth thing." It seems, somehow strange that Hawkwind should have captured the imagination of an American audience. As a band, they hardly reflect an American influence, and on the surface, at least, it's difficult to imagine American kids beaming out on Spaceship Ladbroke Grove. Hawkwind have always seemed a peculiarly English phenomenon, encapsulating a typical eccentricity and inspired amateurism. "I don't think we're particularly English. I don't know why you said that." Precedents for Hawkwind would be difficult to determine, but that would seem to be a fair starting point. "English music means to me a sort of folk music." How, then, would you describe Hawkwind's music, in what sort of terms could you define it? "It's Space Music." Well, I think we'll leave that line of questioning and turn to the American audience. Was it comparable to the type of audience the band pull in this country? "No. The whole scene is different. People over there are much more violent. They're much more ready to go right over the top. The audiences are bigger as well. We always seem to go down best in heavily industrialised areas. And all the gigs we did in the mid-West were all very good. "It's like the north of England, I suppose. It's a very oppressive, heavy environment. I suppose Hawkwind are a very dramatic escape, in both visual and audio terms, it's an escape. On the West Coast, we're not as big. They've got their own scene and they seem happy with that." The conversation turns to the recent Hawkwind confrontation with the US taxation department. It happened very much as it was reported in the press, says Simon. A dozen or so Federal agents, "straight out of Hawaii 5-0" moved in and impounded their equipment until the band handed over the money it was claimed they owed the Government. "Ironically enough, that was one of the best gigs we'd done. I was oblivious of the whole thing anyway, so I thought it was petty amusing, the worst part was that they insisted in taking our own personal instruments off us. They already had ?30,000 worth of equipment. They then insisted on taking my violin, which was the one thing that really annoyed me." In all truth, Simon seems so completely mellowed out that it would be hard to imagine him being disturbed or provoked by anything. Except the press, that is. There's this attitude that runs through the whole Hawkwind organisation, which reveals an uncertain animosity, if that's not too strong a word, towards the press. It's a disappointment, really, at the fact that the press has constantly failed to realise how big the band are. It's possibly justified at the moment, what with album sales in the States, and the kind of reviews the album has received there. Perhaps English critics are a little more discerning. Simon thinks they're just the right side of sub-normals. At least, that's the strong impression one gets from speaking to him. "There's all kinds of malicious gossip in the music papers. I hate them" Does the criticism worry you then? "It doesn't worry me" You could have fooled me. It all sounds like a Tony Iommi/Black Sabbath press paranoia routine. But Simon would seem to lack the stamina for a full force tirade in the inimitable manner of Sabbath. The silences grow longer. Simon smiles and the afternoon wears on. He's got the prospect of a second leg of Hawkwind's American tour to face, and a series of British dates to follow. In American he's becoming something of a star turn. There seems to be a focus of attention directed towards him, although he would be the last person to admit it. It's even been suggested that it's his contribution to the band, and the last album, that has caused the Americans to pick up on the band. Although he would be the last person to admit that too. The silence between questions and answers grows longer. The afternoon wears on and the sun sinks lower on the horizon. Simon smiles slowly, "I'm sorry. I'm feeling a bit out of it . . ." Yeah. A typical Hawkwind interview. PICTURE: Simon House in white polo-neck sweater sitting at keyboard titled: SIMON HOUSE: monosyllabic From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 06:37:40 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:37:40 +0100 Subject: Melody Maker 26/10/1974 Message-ID: MELODY MAKER, October 26, 1974 (page 4) HAWKWIND: GIANT TOUR Hawkwind embark on a mammoth British tour this winter - with almost 30 concert dates stretching into February next year. The tour will be divided into two sections, with a handful of dates before Christmas and another 22 concerts in the New Year. The opening date is at the Newcastle City Hall on December 12, continuing at the Glasgow Apollo (13), Manchester Palace (14), Birmingham Odeon (15) and the Southend Kursaal (21). The band then take a two-week Christmas break before starting the rest of the tour which will climax with a concert at St. George's Hall, Bradford, on February 12. As a prelude to the British tour, Hawkwind will also be appearing in France and Belgium during an eight-day concert series which ends at the beginning of December. And, immediately after the tour, Hawkwind's Simon King, Alan Powell and Simon House will be working with writer Michael Moorcock's group, Deep Fix, who will be recording their first album. PICTURE: Hawkwind on stage: title - HAWKWIND: tour in two sections ================= HAWKWIND FIX EXTRA DATES Hawkwind have finalised a further 14 concerts on their mammoth British tour which begins in Newcastle next month. The band, as previously reported, will be playing five dates before Christmas, starting at the Newcastle City Hall on December 12 and culminating with a special Christmas concert at the Southend Kursaal on December 21. Hawkwind return to the road in January, starting at the Cardiff Capitol (8), and continuing at the Wolverhampton Civic Hall [8], Bournemouth Winter Gardens (11), Paignton Festival Hall (12), Watford Town Hall (13), Southampton Gaumont (14), Liverpool Stadium (18), Oxford New Theatre (19), King's Hall, Derby (23), Clacton Town Hall (24), Bracnell Sports Centre (25), Norwich Theatre Royal (26), De Montfort Hall, Leicester (30) and Lancaster University (31). The tour is scheduled to end in February. PICTURE: Nik Turner in warlike headgear playing saxophone titled: HAWKWIND: giant tour extended by 14 more concerts. From micci at SCI.FI Mon Aug 26 08:55:17 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:55:17 +0300 Subject: HW: vote In-Reply-To: <200208261031.LAA20168@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi! Just vote: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ Captain Wagner finn.wind at sci.fi http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 ************************************** You know who you are ************************************** From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Aug 26 11:03:24 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:03:24 -0500 Subject: HW:Interview In-Reply-To: <000b01c24bb5$323e4260$9bac6fd4@lucidzoo> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Captain Bl at ck wrote: :Subject: HW:Interview : :In case anybody hasn't seen it, there is a recent interview with Tim Blake at www.ccnewz.com under 'articles'. : :Issue 3 also includes a full page interview with Richard and Simon. Any chance someone could scan in the full page interview with Richard and Simon? (It'll take awhile to acquire a copy of this ;-) ) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 26 16:09:35 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:09:35 -0400 Subject: Early Hawkwind stuff Message-ID: Thank you Mike and Jill!!! Excellent stuff! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:28:49 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >I've acquired some cuttings of early Hawkwind reviews from the music >press. I'll be posting them here as they'll presumably be of interest. > >Thanks to Jill Strobridge for typing them up. > >Has anyone ever tried to put together a Quark disc of Hawkwind interviews >and reviews? > >FoFP From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Aug 26 17:21:33 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:21:33 +0000 Subject: Barney Bubbles & Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi ya, About a year ago someone posted a message containing Mr. Bubbles original concept for the ritual, but I've lost the e-mail due to a disaster where Microsoft decided to use my linux partition as a swap file. I think it came from a poster and explains the relationship of band members as planetary aspects and the audience as the universe outside the solar system. It was quite lengthy... Can anyone find it and post it to me please? I'd like to include it in a cdrom. Chris From sheep at BOMB1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 21:47:09 2002 From: sheep at BOMB1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Sheep) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:47:09 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: > Subject: Moorcock > > > > Anyone know Mr. Moorcock's attitude towards autographs? > > Apparently he's going to be at WorldCon, just down the > > road, and I'm wondering if I could get him to put pen > > to my New World's Fair lp... > > I`ve met Mike a few times and he`s always been quite happy to autograph > anything put in front of him in my experience. > > Si > Not only will Mr. Moorcock sign just about anything (had him sign a tatty old 1972 edition of "a condition of muzak"), but he was also kind enough to stop an have a chat with me at a Book signing in Nottingham a couple of years ago. Seems like a nice guy. Sheep. From Mahkno at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 18:46:38 2002 From: Mahkno at AOL.COM (Mahkno nestor) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:46:38 EDT Subject: Barney Bubbles & Space Ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 26/08/2002 21:24:07 GMT Daylight Time, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET writes: > Mr. Bubbles > original concept for the ritual Does anyone knowif this is the same concept as the layout on the 1999party 2CD pullout? From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Aug 26 19:21:17 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:21:17 -0400 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht m or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page www.hawkwind.com ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 19:54:03 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:54:03 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day one, when no-one else would. I'd like to say the current site sucks. You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's still a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. Get someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this isn't a "give me the business" email) It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you have to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to download". Just a thought... Cheers, Rich. > ++STAR WARRIORS > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > m > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > ** THIS BIT ** > www.hawkwind.com ** END THIS BIT ** > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 19:56:11 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:56:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. Below is the original message. Cheers, Rich. > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day > one, when no-one else would. > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's still > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. Get > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this isn't > a "give me the business" email) > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you have > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to > download". > > Just a thought... > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > m > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > www.hawkwind.com > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 20:20:18 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:20:18 +0100 Subject: Fw: Group X Message-ID: Something Andy Gilham sent me... Interesting. Good point, well argued. Cheers, Rich. > "Second single 'Doin' It' quickly followed chalking up a top 20 hit for the > band, but with the album primed for release, the unforeseeable happened. A > little known band also called Liberty took the X's to court and everything > was put on hold as a judge decided who the name belonged to. Our Liberty > lost but an addition of a simple X did nothing to cease the momentum and the > newly re-christened Liberty X headed back into the charts and they did it in > style...... " > > (http://www.libertyx.co.uk/biog.html) > > So it would seem that the "addition of a simple X" to a band name really is > sufficient to clearly distinguish it. ;) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 21:04:20 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:04:20 +0100 Subject: I promised you this Message-ID: Sorry - that was meant to go to Chris Warburton. Sorry, sorry... ARSE. :-( R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:01 AM Subject: I promised you this > Sorry it's taken so long! Say "hi" to Helen for me! > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 26 20:32:18 2002 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:32:18 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind go down a storm '85 Message-ID: Penance for being such an a-hole...this is from something off the Elric tour .....Ageing rockers HAWKWIND drifted into town on the 3rd leg of their latest nationwide tour-this time to promote their new chronicle of th e black sword platter. The latest album domiated a thoroughly tight and professional show for a 2 thirds full Guild hall. The Black sword concept.based around Micheal Moorcocks Elric books lasted vitually 2 hours. The gig was an aural and visual asault on the senses.But however well choreographed the package,the music was still based along the well trodden cosmic path used by the Hawkwind. Many of the denim clad devoties may have been surprised that the bands old material took aback seat. After so many years on the road and so many pannings from the critics it is pleasing to seethe original time warp warriors back in fine form..written by Barryn Turnbull.Cheers Baz _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 21:56:25 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:56:25 EDT Subject: Interview (Melody Maker 12/08/1972) Message-ID: Cheers Great stuff :) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 22:08:41 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:08:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and rather than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. Hmm. Cheers, Rich. (fucked off with trying to get rid of those fucking irritating fades) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: HW: Mission Control Website > Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. > > Below is the original message. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day > > one, when no-one else would. > > > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I > > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's > still > > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. > Get > > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. > > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this > isn't > > a "give me the business" email) > > > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you > have > > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they > > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to > > download". > > > > Just a thought... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control > > > > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > > m > > > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 22:11:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:11:53 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:56:06 AEDT, Miikka Wagner writes: > Hi! > > Just vote: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ > Captain Wagner Yeah VOTE! Hawkwind is coming second so vote ya slackers!! :) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 22:16:16 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:16:16 +0100 Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: And keep voting! :-) R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: vote > In a message dated Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:56:06 AEDT, Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hi! > > > > Just vote: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ > > Captain Wagner > > Yeah VOTE! Hawkwind is coming second so vote ya slackers!! :) > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Aug 26 12:13:04 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:13:04 -0400 Subject: HW:Interview Message-ID: I'd like to see that too, if possible. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: Re: HW:Interview > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Captain Bl at ck wrote: > > :Subject: HW:Interview > : > :In case anybody hasn't seen it, there is a recent interview with Tim Blake at www.ccnewz.com under 'articles'. > : > :Issue 3 also includes a full page interview with Richard and Simon. > > Any chance someone could scan in the full page interview with Richard and > Simon? > > (It'll take awhile to acquire a copy of this ;-) ) > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 22:31:08 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:31:08 EDT Subject: Moorcock Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:33:26 AEDT, Sheep writes: > Not only will Mr. Moorcock sign just about anything (had him sign a tatty > old 1972 edition of "a condition of muzak"), but he was also kind enough to > stop an have a chat with me at a Book signing in Nottingham a couple of > years ago. > > Seems like a nice guy. > > Sheep. A nice guy yes. But was he a gentleman? A sheep can always pick a gentleman by the quality of a mans gumboots and his Akubra. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 22:33:05 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:33:05 EDT Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: And fine pages they are. Good reading. Thank you. In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:21:26 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ++STAR WARRIORS > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > m > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > www.hawkwind.com > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 22:43:05 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:43:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: *** -- Pedantry Alert -- *** Bollocks. Obviously, "your main page", not "you're main page". Sorry all for this failure in grammar. It won't happen again. R. *** -- End Alert -- *** > Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the > letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and rather > than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. > > Hmm. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (fucked off with trying to get rid of those fucking irritating fades) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 AM > Subject: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. > > > > Below is the original message. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > > > > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from > day > > > one, when no-one else would. > > > > > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > > > > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > > > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I > > > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's > > still > > > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > > > > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. > > Get > > > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. > > > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > > > > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this > > isn't > > > a "give me the business" email) > > > > > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you > > have > > > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they > > > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to > > > download". > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission > Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > > > m > > > > > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > > > > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > > > > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 22:45:06 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:45:06 EDT Subject: I promised you this Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:05:23 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Sorry - that was meant to go to Chris Warburton. > > Sorry, sorry... > > ARSE. Too late - no excuses!! Its two months on the LIGHT BEER for you matey lol From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 22:52:08 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:52:08 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Heyyyyyyyyyyy duuuuuuuuude! Medication time lol In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:10:01 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the > letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and rather > than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. > > Hmm. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > (fucked off with trying to get rid of those fucking irritating fades) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 AM > Subject: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. > > > > Below is the original message. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > > > > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from > day > > > one, when no-one else would. > > > > > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > > > > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > > > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I > > > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's > > still > > > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > > > > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. > > Get > > > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. > > > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > > > > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this > > isn't > > > a "give me the business" email) > > > > > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you > > have > > > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they > > > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to > > > download". > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission > Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > > > m > > > > > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > > > > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > > > > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 23:07:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:27 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:44:30 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > *** -- Pedantry Alert -- *** > > Bollocks. Obviously, "your main page", not "you're main page". > > Sorry all for this failure in grammar. It won't happen again. No excuses - 4 months on the light beer...... From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Aug 26 23:14:29 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:14:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <73.24c1b60b.2a9c46f0@aol.com> Message-ID: If you don't watch it, it will be no beer at all. Or O'doul's. Shudder. ;-) 8/26/02 10:07:27 PM, Michael W Blackman wrote: >In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:44:30 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > >> *** -- Pedantry Alert -- *** >> >> Bollocks. Obviously, "your main page", not "you're main page". >> >> Sorry all for this failure in grammar. It won't happen again. > >No excuses - 4 months on the light beer...... > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 23:18:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:18:53 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:13:38 AEDT, Laura Waesche writes: > If you don't watch it, it will be no beer at all. Or O'doul's. Shudder. > ;-) Light beer is a worse fate to no beer lol ***cue the evil, mocking laughter with clap of echoey thunder in the distance and screeching cat that someone just stepped on after the sudden power failure!!! *** From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Tue Aug 27 00:35:09 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:35:09 -0600 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: I'm in full agreement with Richard. It's a pity Hawkwind won't go to the bother of finding someone who can cobble together a good site. Silly javascript doodads downloaded from some freebie script archive, flashing text, animated gifs, and the most obnoxious navigation I've yet encountered do not a good site make. The site is a dysfunctional eyesore. I guess user-friendly navigation, clearly readable text, restrained use of tasteful and interesting graphics (you know, the kind that don't need to move), and plain old good taste is just not "kewl" enough for "Mission Control" and all the related juvenile secret decoder ring Star Warriors crap that goes with it. Guido Richard Lockwood wrote: >So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > >Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day >one, when no-one else would. > >I'd like to say the current site sucks. > >You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but >you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I >know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's still >a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > >Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. Get >someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. >Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > >Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this isn't >a "give me the business" email) > >It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you have >to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they >looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to >download". > >Just a thought... > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > > >>++STAR WARRIORS >> >>The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control >> >> >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > >>m >> >>or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page >> > >** THIS BIT ** > >>www.hawkwind.com >> > >** END THIS BIT ** > >>++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + >> > From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Tue Aug 27 02:45:16 2002 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:45:16 +0200 Subject: HW:mission control site Message-ID: I simply never go to the mission control site. It is so difficult to navigate and slow. scott From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 04:47:33 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:47:33 +0400 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: And what? Hawks made the right thing. It was all discussed long ago. Rik is doing a great job and why Hawkwind can't have Hawkwin.com domain? Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:54 AM Subject: Re: HW: HAWKFEST > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day > one, when no-one else would. > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now I > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's still > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever seen. Get > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for you. > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this isn't > a "give me the business" email) > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info you have > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because they > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard to > download". > > Just a thought... > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission Control > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > m > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > www.hawkwind.com > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 04:56:28 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:56:28 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: When you all, Nik's raging fans, stop this nonsence? I think everyone is tired to get messages about it. why you don't make a list for yourself where you will discuss it with each other? Nik's can't play, can't copmpose anymore. He can't bring to rehearsals his own band. This is truth and fact. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > *** -- Pedantry Alert -- *** > > Bollocks. Obviously, "your main page", not "you're main page". > > Sorry all for this failure in grammar. It won't happen again. > > R. > > *** -- End Alert -- *** > > > > Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the > > letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and > rather > > than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. > > > > Hmm. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > (fucked off with trying to get rid of those fucking irritating fades) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 AM > > Subject: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. > > > > > > Below is the original message. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > > > > > > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did from > > day > > > > one, when no-one else would. > > > > > > > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > > > > > > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, > but > > > > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. Now > I > > > > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and Alan's > > > still > > > > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > > > > > > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever > seen. > > > Get > > > > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for > you. > > > > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > > > > > > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, this > > > isn't > > > > a "give me the business" email) > > > > > > > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info > you > > > have > > > > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because > they > > > > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard > to > > > > download". > > > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission > > Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 05:34:15 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:34:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Erm, I'm *not* a raging Nik fan. This was meant to be a light hearted aside. Sorry - I should have put a smiley after it. My fault. My point about the Mission Control website holds though - yes, Hawkwind have a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name, of course they do. I'm annoyed about the way Andy (the original owner) was treated - he ran the original "official" site (see archives) - which was simple, informative and easy to use. Unlike the Mission Control site. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > When you all, Nik's raging fans, stop this nonsence? I think everyone is > tired to get messages about it. why you don't make a list for yourself where > you will discuss it with each other? > > Nik's can't play, can't copmpose anymore. He can't bring to rehearsals his > own band. This is truth and fact. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Lockwood" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > *** -- Pedantry Alert -- *** > > > > Bollocks. Obviously, "your main page", not "you're main page". > > > > Sorry all for this failure in grammar. It won't happen again. > > > > R. > > > > *** -- End Alert -- *** > > > > > > > Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of > the > > > letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and > > rather > > > than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. > > > > > > Hmm. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > (fucked off with trying to get rid of those fucking irritating fades) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Lockwood" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:56 AM > > > Subject: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't change the title to make it clear. > > > > > > > > Below is the original message. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > > > > > > > > > > Hope you're fucking proud of yourselves after all the work he did > from > > > day > > > > > one, when no-one else would. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to say the current site sucks. > > > > > > > > > > You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, > > but > > > > > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now. > Now > > I > > > > > know that the Nik thing is a "Oh, that bastard Nik" thing, and > Alan's > > > > still > > > > > a mate, but to most fans, I see little difference. > > > > > > > > > > Mission Control is one of the least user-friendly sites I've ever > > seen. > > > > Get > > > > > someone who knows how to make a site user friendly in to do it for > > you. > > > > > Unfortunately, currently, it sucks. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe swallow your pride and ask Andy Gilham to do it? (And no, > this > > > > isn't > > > > > a "give me the business" email) > > > > > > > > > > It's funny that every time someone on this list wants Hawkwind info > > you > > > > have > > > > > to remind them about the Mission Control site. Maybe it's because > > they > > > > > looked at it and thought "sod that, I'm not waiting for that bastard > > to > > > > > download". > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > > > > > > > > > The Feedback Pages From HawkFest 2002 are now online on Mission > > > Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/HawkFest/pages/DevonFestInfo.ht > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > or enter via MC Updates / Root entry page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > > > > > > > ** END THIS BIT ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 08:05:23 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:05:23 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Ok, I see. But we all have different tastes. I remember that site very well and I can say it was good but not more. And it wasn't properly updated for a long time anyway. Rik's site has something special. I like it more. It's just a matter of taste. As I said before Andy could move his own site to another server. And it was really bad that he advertised gigs of Hawkwind enemy - Nik Turner. I noticed it before all this scandal and was very disappointed in that site. If it was just a site about space rock it would be ok. But it was Hawkwind site at Hawkwind.com at the moment. And Nik's advertising there was like a kick to real Hawkwind. just my point of view, Alisa > Erm, I'm *not* a raging Nik fan. This was meant to be a light hearted > aside. Sorry - I should have put a smiley after it. My fault. > > My point about the Mission Control website holds though - yes, Hawkwind have > a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name, of course they do. I'm > annoyed about the way Andy (the original owner) was treated - he ran the > original "official" site (see archives) - which was simple, informative and > easy to use. Unlike the Mission Control site. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 08:07:44 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:07:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. :-) Cheers, Rich. > Ok, I see. But we all have different tastes. I remember that site very well > and I can say it was good but not more. And it wasn't properly updated for a > long time anyway. Rik's site has something special. I like it more. It's > just a matter of taste. > As I said before Andy could move his own site to another server. And it was > really bad that he advertised gigs of Hawkwind enemy - Nik Turner. I noticed > it before all this scandal and was very disappointed in that site. If it was > just a site about space rock it would be ok. But it was Hawkwind site at > Hawkwind.com at the moment. And Nik's advertising there was like a kick to > real Hawkwind. > > just my point of view, > > Alisa > > > > Erm, I'm *not* a raging Nik fan. This was meant to be a light hearted > > aside. Sorry - I should have put a smiley after it. My fault. > > > > My point about the Mission Control website holds though - yes, Hawkwind > have > > a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name, of course they do. I'm > > annoyed about the way Andy (the original owner) was treated - he ran the > > original "official" site (see archives) - which was simple, informative > and > > easy to use. Unlike the Mission Control site. > From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 08:19:04 2002 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:19:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik Turner Message-ID: Not wishing to court controversy, but did any one see Nik Turner's space ritual at Canterbury this last weekend? If you did, any reports? I couldn't make it, but would have gone to see the Ozrics. Peace Andy From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 08:42:27 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:42:27 EDT Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:50:23 AEDT, Alisa writes: > And what? > > Hawks made the right thing. It was all discussed long ago. Rik is doing a > great job and why Hawkwind can't have Hawkwin.com domain? > > Alisa Agreed. I dont have the slightest bit of trouble navigating Mission Control. Its got all the up to date news, great pics and looks sexy as well. Whats with all the sudden outrage? From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 09:15:56 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: Sorry - it was just that I was trying to find stuff I wanted last night after a few beers and got really irate. I apologise for the rather OTT tone of the note. (The sentiment still stands though.) Sorry to all concerned. Cheers, Rich. > In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:50:23 AEDT, Alisa writes: > > > And what? > > > > Hawks made the right thing. It was all discussed long ago. Rik is doing a > > great job and why Hawkwind can't have Hawkwin.com domain? > > > > Alisa > > Agreed. I dont have the slightest bit of trouble navigating Mission Control. Its got all the up to date news, great pics and looks sexy as well. > > Whats with all the sudden outrage? > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 09:23:43 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:23:43 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: You weren't looking for the lyrics to "The Right To Decide" too huh? LoL In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:17:17 AEDT, Richard Lockwood writes: > Sorry - it was just that I was trying to find stuff I wanted last night > after a few beers and got really irate. I apologise for the rather OTT tone > of the note. (The sentiment still stands though.) > > Sorry to all concerned. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:50:23 AEDT, Alisa > writes: > > > > > And what? > > > > > > Hawks made the right thing. It was all discussed long ago. Rik is doing > a > > > great job and why Hawkwind can't have Hawkwin.com domain? > > > > > > Alisa > > > > Agreed. I dont have the slightest bit of trouble navigating Mission > Control. Its got all the up to date news, great pics and looks sexy as > well. > > > > Whats with all the sudden outrage? > > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Aug 27 09:32:58 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:32:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control In-Reply-To: <115.1664b1b2.2a9cd760@aol.com> Message-ID: Michael W Blackman wrote: > You weren't looking for the lyrics to "The Right To Decide" too huh? LoL It's genius, really. After searching forever you get fed up and in exasperation say, "What's up with this site? I can't do this. I can't do that. I can't go forward and I can't go back!" Brian From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Aug 27 09:51:30 2002 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:51:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: HAHA, go Rich, it is one of the worst sites I've seen. But being a "real HW fan" I'd wade through the fluff every month or two. That is until the don't go to Nik's show, call this number for a refund. Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, Jazz, Ska, Big Band... This "enemy" stuff is not for me, have fun. -- Doug Bates From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 10:28:58 2002 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:28:58 +0100 Subject: HW:was Mission Control Website, now (groan) x marks the rot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08:51 27/08/02 -0500, Doug Bates wrote: >Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone >told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, >regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, >Jazz, Ska, Big Band... > >This "enemy" stuff is not for me, have fun. Also a fact from my experience though (Hawkestra 2000), Nik goes into choruses at the wrong time, goes into verses at the wrong time, and pretty much screws up some great moments at gigs. Well, at least that particular gig. I agree that this "enemy" thing is going too far though. Woulda never have happened if he hadn't picked a name TOO close to Hawkwind though. And it IS too close... whatever people on this list may say, I know numerous people who thought HAWKWIND were playing gigs when it was xHawkwind (lower case "x", lower case "x"... it was ALWAYS gonna be lower case, if it was there at all by the time promoters got hold of it). God, why couldn't he have just gone with Space Ritual (a better name anyway) right from the start, and all this bullshit would never have happened?! Dave >-- From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Aug 27 10:54:17 2002 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:17 -0500 Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: Hi folks, Just to type in my 2 cents on this. Rik is the official webmaster for the band. I think Alisa was right in asking to not rehash that battle. In general, rather than yelling at him over his site design, it's more useful to drop him email asking for changes (and explaining why.) He's a really reasonable guy, and has been more than willing to listen to me ask for more text-friendly stuff. I'm a lynx user (lynx is a text browser), and like many of you I've had problems with the design. Rik is a very graphics-oriented person, and he's got lovely pages if you happen to share that mindset. However, it can be a pain for those of us who aren't. Not a problem, though. I've been giving him feedback, and he's promised that the next version of MC will be more text-browser friendly. Even now, he's sending out direct URLs to information, rather than forcing you into the javascript navigation (like he did originally.) The hawkfest info in his recent message is an example. Alt tag usage, and a more direct path through the subsite. It's quite nice, really. Give nice, polite feedback. It helps. Arin (...and if anyone wants my cheat page navigating the current MC from a text browser, just drop me private email.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 11:12:26 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:12:26 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone > told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, > regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, > Jazz, Ska, Big Band... Oh yes, surely he can! The same eeeeh-ahhhh-eeeeh-ahhh thing on saxophone. Though he was very good on flute. I have his live recordings so I can say all this. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 27 11:18:56 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:18:56 -0400 Subject: Nik Turner Message-ID: Supposedly the Sound was great, but the performance was poor. Probably not much different from the other gigs. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ball" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: HW: Nik Turner > Not wishing to court controversy, but did any one see Nik Turner's space > ritual at Canterbury this last weekend? > If you did, any reports? > I couldn't make it, but would have gone to see the Ozrics. > > Peace > > Andy From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Aug 27 11:19:20 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:19:20 -0400 Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: May I second all of Arin's sentiments, except the stuff about text-based browers, of course :-) I do think navigability on Mission Control could be improved, but a new version is in the works & I'm expecting that to address the issue & all the others that have been raised by various folks... Who knows to what extent the graphics-heavy nature of MC was what the band wanted, rather than Rik? Let's not shoot the messenger! 'Tis nice to see people disagreeing in a civilized fashion, though. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:17 -0500, Arin Komins wrote: >Hi folks, > >Just to type in my 2 cents on this. > >Rik is the official webmaster for the band. I think Alisa was right >in asking to not rehash that battle. > >In general, rather than yelling at him over his site design, it's more >useful to drop him email asking for changes (and explaining why.) > >He's a really reasonable guy, and has been more than willing to listen to >me ask for more text-friendly stuff. > >I'm a lynx user (lynx is a text browser), and like many of you I've >had problems with the design. > >Rik is a very graphics-oriented person, and he's got lovely pages >if you happen to share that mindset. > >However, it can be a pain for those of us who aren't. > >Not a problem, though. > >I've been giving him feedback, and he's promised that >the next version of MC will be more text-browser friendly. > >Even now, he's sending out direct URLs to information, rather than forcing >you into the javascript navigation (like he did originally.) The hawkfest >info in his recent message is an example. Alt tag usage, and a more >direct path through the subsite. It's quite nice, really. > >Give nice, polite feedback. It helps. > >Arin >(...and if anyone wants my cheat page navigating the current MC from a >text browser, just drop me private email.) >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 12:11:05 2002 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:11:05 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner Message-ID: >> Not wishing to court controversy, but did any one see Nik Turner's space >> ritual at Canterbury this last weekend? Not personally, but I know the set list was as follows: Born To Go Sunshine Special Brainstorm Orgone Accumulator It's Alright Blue Train Master Of The Universe Rumour has it that "It's Alright" is a (wait for it) new Nik song. I wasn't there, I haven't heard it, so can't comment further (yet). Dave From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Aug 27 12:30:32 2002 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:30:32 +0100 Subject: Calling Andy G/Replica Reissues Message-ID: Hey Andy, I happened to see the replica sleeve reissue of Friends and Relations yetsreday, it was sealed so I couldn't pick out what the label was. Which record label are this and the other remastered replicas being issued under? Rich W From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Tue Aug 27 12:30:29 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:30:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I agree, I think his flute playing on Xitintoday by Sphynx (is this where all the "x" stuff started?) is excellent. His sax noodling fit in well in the early 70's. I don't think it clicks with anything Hawkwind has done since "Astounding Sounds Amazing Music". Guido > > Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone > > told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, > > regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, > > Jazz, Ska, Big Band... > > Oh yes, surely he can! The same eeeeh-ahhhh-eeeeh-ahhh thing on saxophone. > > Though he was very good on flute. > > I have his live recordings so I can say all this. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 27 12:35:35 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:35:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and bad ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey sounds. :-) Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone > > told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, > > regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, > > Jazz, Ska, Big Band... > > Oh yes, surely he can! The same eeeeh-ahhhh-eeeeh-ahhh thing on saxophone. > > Though he was very good on flute. > > I have his live recordings so I can say all this. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 27 12:47:11 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:47:11 +0100 Subject: HW: mission control In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hi folks, > > Just to type in my 2 cents on this. > > Rik is the official webmaster for the band. I think Alisa was right > in asking to not rehash that battle. > > In general, rather than yelling at him over his site design, it's more > useful to drop him email asking for changes (and explaining why.) OK. I'm a 'puting professional and very text-oriented by mental habit and I think that's at least one reason why I find the site somewhat difficult. I do find moving graphics distracting when I'm trying to read something, but hell, at least we don't have popups. I'd guess there are also issues on downloading time for some of the graphics stuff but it hasn't overly affected me. Maybe if I read at home over a modem rather than staying at work it'd be different. What I do find difficult is finding what I'm looking for. As a text-oriented person I kinda expect a Main Menu (Gigs, albums, lyrics, news, pictures, whatever) and then gradually move down a tree (list of albums or lyrics) until I hit what I'm looking for. At all times I expect to be able to move down the tree until I hit a leaf of info; back up the tree to the higher branch list and of course back to the base/home page. It's good that the base page no longer fires up a separate page that I don't want, but the navigation still seems to make things difficult. What would help is some kind of site map that would outline the structure of the whole site and allow folks to just drop into sections of it. I'm sure Rik would like to keep the look and feel of the SF concept so why not have an overall "Galactic map" where solar systems represent each area (gigs; lyrics; news; pics...), warping into a system gets you a bunch of labelled planets representing sublists and moving to them gets a planet and a bunch of moons wth sub-submenus. We all have innate ability to navigate by map, so as long as there wasn;t a tendency to reorganise the galaxy every few weeks that'd probably work. I don't want to seem hypercritical though. It's good that the piccies have thumbnails to click on and I think the basic structure is sound. It's only the navigation stuff that's really throwing me. I'm also aware that it takes time and effort to keep these sites up to date and I do appreciate the work that's being done. Cheers FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 27 13:50:42 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:50:42 -0400 Subject: Fw: Group X In-Reply-To: <032d01c24d5f$882604a0$65a623d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:20:18AM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:20:18AM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Something Andy Gilham sent me... > > Our Liberty lost but an addition of a simple X did nothing to > > cease the momentum and the newly re-christened Liberty X > > headed back into the charts and they did it in style...... " > > > > So it would seem that the "addition of a simple X" to a band > > name really is sufficient to clearly distinguish it. ;) On the other hand -- and rather closer to home -- is "X[?] in Search of Space". I'd had it for years, and thought of it all that time as "In Search...", before discussion here convinced me to look at the cover more closely. Truth to tell, I'd never even *noticed* the "X" before then. I'm not alone, either. I just did a Google search on "in search of space". Here's what I got on the first three pages of results: X In Search 4 In Search 15 Irrelevent 6 (not references to the album) Duplicates 5 (multiple pages of the same site; I only counted each site once) Geez, even UA/Liberty (yet another "Liberty", :-) couldn't make up their minds. The early disc labels all say "In Search"! http://www.adawson.clara.net/albums/labels/uag29202.html So whether or not some judge thinks an "X" is enough to prevent confusion, empirically it isn't! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 14:59:19 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:59:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi ya, The _only_ person/people with a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name is/are the person/people who own it. If that is not D. B. then D. B. has no right to it at all period. And I quite agree: any site that takes 5 minuites to load is not worth the wait. Web/html conventions exist to make life easy and should be followed at all times. Despite D. B.'s crass attitude problem the only reason I don't go to his site is it is a pain in the butt. Chris Richard Lockwood wrote: > > Erm, I'm *not* a raging Nik fan. This was meant to be a light hearted > aside. Sorry - I should have put a smiley after it. My fault. > > My point about the Mission Control website holds though - yes, Hawkwind have > a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name, of course they do. I'm > annoyed about the way Andy (the original owner) was treated - he ran the > original "official" site (see archives) - which was simple, informative and > easy to use. Unlike the Mission Control site. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 27 14:02:16 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:02:16 -0400 Subject: HW: vote In-Reply-To: <92.2aef29ef.2a9c39ea@aol.com>; from Michaelangelo68@AOL.COM on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 10:11:53PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 10:11:53PM -0400, Michael W Blackman wrote: > In a message dated Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:56:06 AEDT, Miikka Wagner writes: > > > Hi! > > > > Just vote: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ > > Captain Wagner > > Yeah VOTE! Hawkwind is coming second so vote ya slackers!! :) And to the Ozrics yet. Geez! (Not that I have anything against them, but if anyone was going to be ahead of HW, I'd have hoped and expected it to be Pink Floyd.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 15:22:07 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:22:07 +0000 Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi ya, Hey but ain't this why _a_lot_ of people like 'hawkwind'? They don't play stuff like it is on record, they just do what they want how they want. A most excellent example being Bob's "Over The Top" where nobody really had a clue what was going on. Bob thought he was meant to be singing Master of the Universe and everyone else thought they were doing something instrumental - result was pure genius. Maybe this attitude always applied more to Nik and Bob. And yea its always going to be more chaos than genius if they play that way: but in the mess is genius. As for name for Nik's mob wot about "The X Hawks" : no mention of Hawkwind and its more than one word and it has same meaning. Chris > > > Also a fact from my experience though (Hawkestra 2000), Nik goes into > choruses at the wrong time, goes into verses at the wrong time, and pretty > much screws up some great moments at gigs. Well, at least that particular gig. > I agree that this "enemy" thing is going too far though. Woulda never have > happened if he hadn't picked a name TOO close to Hawkwind though. And it IS > too close... whatever people on this list may say, I know numerous people > who thought HAWKWIND were playing gigs when it was xHawkwind (lower case > "x", lower case "x"... it was ALWAYS gonna be lower case, if it was there > at all by the time promoters got hold of it). > God, why couldn't he have just gone with Space Ritual (a better name > anyway) right from the start, and all this bullshit would never have > happened?! > > Dave From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 14:57:55 2002 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:57:55 +0100 Subject: Fw: Group X Message-ID: And of course, the original All Saints jam band name was Group X Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Group X > On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:20:18AM +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > Something Andy Gilham sent me... > > > Our Liberty lost but an addition of a simple X did nothing to > > > cease the momentum and the newly re-christened Liberty X > > > headed back into the charts and they did it in style...... " > > > > > > So it would seem that the "addition of a simple X" to a band > > > name really is sufficient to clearly distinguish it. ;) > > On the other hand -- and rather closer to home -- is "X[?] in > Search of Space". I'd had it for years, and thought of it all > that time as "In Search...", before discussion here convinced me > to look at the cover more closely. Truth to tell, I'd never even > *noticed* the "X" before then. > > I'm not alone, either. I just did a Google search on "in search > of space". Here's what I got on the first three pages of > results: > X In Search 4 > In Search 15 > Irrelevent 6 (not references to the album) > Duplicates 5 (multiple pages of the same site; I > only counted each site once) > > Geez, even UA/Liberty (yet another "Liberty", :-) couldn't make > up their minds. The early disc labels all say "In Search"! > http://www.adawson.clara.net/albums/labels/uag29202.html > > So whether or not some judge thinks an "X" is enough to prevent > confusion, empirically it isn't! > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; > whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. > - Paul Schneider-Esleben > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Aug 27 15:13:00 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:13:00 -0400 Subject: Interview (Melody Maker 12/08/1972) In-Reply-To: <2d.22390fec.2a9c364a@aol.com>; from Michaelangelo68@AOL.COM on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:56:25PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:56:25PM -0400, Michael W Blackman wrote: > Cheers > > Great stuff :) Speaking of MM, on my recent in-search-of "in search of" hunt, one of the things that came up was their review of said album: http://www.jonsattic.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pages/hawkinspace.html along with I.T.'s very amusing reviewlet. I hadn't realized the term "space rock" went back so far... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Aug 27 15:20:46 2002 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:20:46 -0400 Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: eeee when I wer a lad..... As someone old enough to remember the days before internet sites and even fan based news letters, when the the only HW info available was via snippets and the odd article in the Music Press - I greatly appreciate being able to access information directly from the band as soon as its available. Whoever maintains the site is going to have their own views as to how it is laid out - unfortunately not everyone will happy with it. Just be glad there is one I say! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 27 11:12:26 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:12:26 -0400 Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: Its a Nik Turner conspiracy!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: HAWKFEST > In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:50:23 AEDT, Alisa writes: > > > And what? > > > > Hawks made the right thing. It was all discussed long ago. Rik is doing a > > great job and why Hawkwind can't have Hawkwin.com domain? > > > > Alisa > > Agreed. I dont have the slightest bit of trouble navigating Mission Control. Its got all the up to date news, great pics and looks sexy as well. > > Whats with all the sudden outrage? From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 17:22:27 2002 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:22:27 +0100 Subject: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <3D6BD15F.DDF67FB2@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris... Yeah, true enough... my main gripe is that (if memory serves me correctly, heh heh, not something I can always rely on!) Dave and Lemmy were going off on one during Brainstorm, and Nik brought it all crashing down to earth by starting singing!! Yeah, X Hawks is fine, but I really do think Space Ritual is a great name, and there never woulda been all this unpleasantness flying around. If anyone, even Nik starts threatening the existence of one of my all-time fave bands it starts to put me off them, I can't help it. Ah well, such is life in space :) cheers, Dave At 19:22 27/08/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hi ya, > >Hey but ain't this why _a_lot_ of people like 'hawkwind'? They don't >play stuff like it is on record, they just do what they want how they >want. A most excellent example being Bob's "Over The Top" where nobody >really had a clue what was going on. Bob thought he was meant to be >singing Master of the Universe and everyone else thought they were doing >something instrumental - result was pure genius. Maybe this attitude >always applied more to Nik and Bob. > >And yea its always going to be more chaos than genius if they play that >way: but in the mess is genius. > >As for name for Nik's mob wot about "The X Hawks" : no mention of >Hawkwind and its more than one word and it has same meaning. > >Chris From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 17:54:48 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:54:48 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Ho Stephe :), > He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and bad > ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey > sounds. :-) Maybe he is charismatic personality but we are talking about music :). I like his solo albums and I have all of them. But there was that little release... double one... Space Rock Odyssey... does he "play" on it? Does he "sing" on it? If it is playing and singing than... :) Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 17:57:53 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:57:53 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: And some more to add to my another message. Can you please explain me why he plays ok and even trying to sing when he guests somewhere and can't do it at all with his current band? > He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and bad > ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey > sounds. :-) Cheers STEPHE From kruch7 at COX.NET Tue Aug 27 18:09:58 2002 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith Mormon minion of Arioch) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:09:58 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind chronicle of the black sword Message-ID: for those who are members of netflix, I just wanted to let you know they have the above titled DVD for rent ken Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 19:16:33 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:16:33 +0000 Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi, Wild! Never knew that. > > gingoblin at easynet.co.uk wrote: > > > > Hi Chris... > > Yeah, true enough... my main gripe is that (if memory > > serves me correctly, heh heh, not something I can always rely on!) Dave and > > Lemmy were going off on one during Brainstorm, and Nik brought it all > > crashing down to earth by starting singing!! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 27 18:23:53 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:23:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I agree about the Space Odyssey and the xHW. It is shit. I was trying to say nik needs to work more where he's good. Have you heard Fantastic All-Stars. He is a fantastic sax player there. He should stick too that. Maybe he's just too high to do HW covers. Could be why he screws them up. :-) Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > Ho Stephe :), > > > He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and > bad > > ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey > > sounds. :-) > > Maybe he is charismatic personality but we are talking about music :). > I like his solo albums and I have all of them. But there was that little > release... double one... Space Rock Odyssey... does he "play" on it? Does he > "sing" on it? If it is playing and singing than... > > :) > > Alisa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 27 18:26:50 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:26:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: No, I can't, LOL!!!!!! Ask Nik when he's does an online interview. :-) Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > And some more to add to my another message. Can you please explain me why he > plays ok and even trying to sing when he guests somewhere and can't do it at > all with his current band? > > > He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and > bad > > ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey > > sounds. :-) Cheers STEPHE From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 19:31:40 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:31:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi ya, If by 'his current band' you mean the band formally known as Hawkestra or whatever, then I see them in October last year and I'm not old enougth to have seen original Space Ritual but what I got there was as close as I'll ever get. Yea it seemed a bit unrehearsed but it was magik. 3 bass guitars! 2 drummers! A wall of sonic destruction I'll never forget. He sang and played OK - great. I always have one problem with Nik, and in ICU it always seemed a problem, maybe its just my ears tinitus etc. He never seems to have his mike or sax set to right level so unless you are close its hard to hear him. If you want to hear him play 'properly' go to his site and download the excerpts from the All Stars cd. Its not at all what I was expecting. Its like proper intellectual jazz that is nothing at all like Hawkwing or ICU or Sphinx. I don't normally go for that sort of thing but he does it very well. But I think Niks idea of Hawkwind style playing is to do blanga, chant very hard to hear repetative lyric that mutates in your head and blast weird improvised sax over equally repetative bass patterns with some fiddly synth stuff floating in and out - well thats blanga in'it? Chris Alisa wrote: > > And some more to add to my another message. Can you please explain me why he > plays ok and even trying to sing when he guests somewhere and can't do it at > all with his current band? > > > He's much better to see live than to listen to. There are good ones and > bad > > ones. If you don't like him you don't need to bash him. Its not all donkey > > sounds. :-) Cheers STEPHE From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 18:42:26 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:42:26 +0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > But I think Niks idea of Hawkwind style playing is to do blanga, chant > very hard to hear repetative lyric that mutates in your head and blast > weird improvised sax over equally repetative bass patterns with some > fiddly synth stuff floating in and out - well thats blanga in'it? For me in original Space Ritual era recordings it was Brock's guitar, Lemmy's bass and powerful King's drumming and synths. Nik's flute was ok, but his sax was rather embarassing sometimes especially when he played while Brock was singing. I still don't understand what is blanga? Unrehearsed sound? If about chants and repetative stuff - HW did it with or without Nik, depending on material. Nik's voice is also very embarrassing for me. And Brock is still great singer in his 60's! I would like to hear Fantastic All Stars but don't know where. Alisa From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 19:06:39 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:06:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Sesame-Lemmy St. Message-ID: ---Fwd'd from another list... Hi all, For years, people have compared the vocals of Motorheads Ian 'Lemmy' Kilminster with the vocals of Sesame Street's Cookie Monster. (Cookie, by the way, is a hero in his own right.) I was wondering, if Motorhead went on Sesame Street, or perhaps if Mr. Cookie joined the band, what kind of songs they'd come up with. Here are some ideas: 'A' of Spades' 'Groverkill' 'Stay Clean/Rubber Ducky' 'Oscarmatron' 'Another Perfect J' 'Ernie Fist' 'Die You Bigbird' 'Sammy the Snakebite Love' 'BomBert' ''C' is for 'Capricorn' 'Metropo-Snuffaluppagus' 'Elmo-torhead' 'Walk a Kermit Mile' 'Nothing Up My Sleeve' (Performed by Mumford the Magician) Any more ideas? 'Today's show has been brought to you by the Number 69 and the letters 'F.U.'' 'Cookie Monster is not a letter of the alphabet!' (Kermit, yelling at some dumb kid who wouldn't cooperate.) From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 27 19:18:55 2002 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:18:55 +0400 Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > Hey but ain't this why _a_lot_ of people like 'hawkwind'? They don't > play stuff like it is on record, they just do what they want how they > want. A most excellent example being Bob's "Over The Top" where I didn't say anything about playiing like on album. I hate when bands plays like on album, they should rework material for live as HW does. But improvisation doesn't mean missing notes. Do not mix Nik with Bob please! Too much different characters. Nik will never be Bob. He is good on his own in his solo. Let's come to agree about this and end this discussion. cheers, Alisa P.S. When Huw misses notes all begin to scream "Oh, how bad he played this night!" When Nik does it is called genius... ok. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Aug 27 19:41:41 2002 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:41:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sesame-Lemmy St. Message-ID: It's too late! A couple weeks ago, the band I'm in played on a bill with "Cookie Mongoloid". Yep, a guy in a cookie monster costume (who is a huge Devo fan and managed to coerce me into subbing with his tribute band for a show next month) fronting a leather-clad band doing metal versions of Sesame Street songs. I suppose I should forward him this songlist as possibilities for their future repertoire ... My favorite was their take on the "one of these things is not like the other ones" song, which gives the guitarist, bassist and drummer each a brief solo, followed by "Cookie Monster" playing a trombone solo ... Fortunately, San Francisco seems to be about the only city in the world that will actually tolerate this sort of lunacy ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 20:44:48 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:44:48 +0000 Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Yo, > P.S. When Huw misses notes all begin to scream "Oh, how bad he played this > night!" When Nik does it is called genius... ok. But I've never critisized him, not even when he is playing acoustic in his local pub, Huw is one of the best guitar players, not the fastest perhaps, but he has 'something'. Chris From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Aug 27 20:50:52 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:50:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi, It was on http://censord.com ;-) I'm fairly certain you find it now either at http://nikturner.com or http://spaceritual.net Chris > > I would like to hear Fantastic All Stars but don't know where. > > Alisa From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Wed Aug 28 00:20:22 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:20:22 +1000 Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: Hi all OK, not particularly happy with all the arguing that has been going on here :) I must admit that there are many different aspects to Hawkwind, probably thanks to the many different contributors over the years. At times I feel like listening to the different sounds that the guys have produced - some I like a lot more than others - but I will not discount any of it. Nik has been good to the overall Hawkwind feel for a long time, although he scares the bejeezus out of me (reference to 'Uncle Sam' on the 'Night of the Hawks' DVD). As a fan of Hawkwind since the early 70's, I must say that if someone told me to stop listening - & in my unfortunate toneless quality - to stop singing these tracks I would be devestated. I can't help but feel that anyone who has Hawkwind.... ummm "in them" would want to stop being associated with them. It is important that both camps be seen as different entities, though & in a way that we, the fans, can differentiate between them but please don't be harsh on someone who probably feels the same way about Hawkwind as you/I/we do. Just my two bob. Allan Sharpe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 28 06:24:28 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:24:28 -0400 Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: Hi, I don't mind if some people don't like Nik, Its not going to change my opinion. I'm sure theres folks that like Captain Rizz and many don't. I'll shut up now. :-) Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: The Arguement - just a thought > Hi all > > OK, not particularly happy with all the arguing that has been going on here > :) > > I must admit that there are many different aspects to Hawkwind, probably > thanks to the many different contributors over the years. At times I feel > like listening to the different sounds that the guys have produced - some I > like a lot more than others - but I will not discount any of it. > > Nik has been good to the overall Hawkwind feel for a long time, although he > scares the bejeezus out of me (reference to 'Uncle Sam' on the 'Night of the > Hawks' DVD). As a fan of Hawkwind since the early 70's, I must say that if > someone told me to stop listening - & in my unfortunate toneless quality - > to stop singing these tracks I would be devestated. > > I can't help but feel that anyone who has Hawkwind.... ummm "in them" would > want to stop being associated with them. > > It is important that both camps be seen as different entities, though & in a > way that we, the fans, can differentiate between them but please don't be > harsh on someone who probably feels the same way about Hawkwind as you/I/we > do. > > Just my two bob. > Allan Sharpe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 06:58:35 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:58:35 EDT Subject: OFF Just a giggle - OFF Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:16:15 AEDT, Alisa writes: > > Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone > > told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, > > regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, > > Jazz, Ska, Big Band... > > Oh yes, surely he can! The same eeeeh-ahhhh-eeeeh-ahhh thing on saxophone. > > Though he was very good on flute. > > I have his live recordings so I can say all this. hehehehehehhe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:02:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:02:51 EDT Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:19:41 AEDT, "Moonglum ." writes: > > 'Tis nice to see people disagreeing in a civilized fashion, though. > > Steve AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! chop - slash - rape - pillage - AAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! HUH......?? WHAAA....?? Civilised??? Damn.... spose I better put my sword away...... sorry! Sorry everybody!! cup o tea??? joint? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:14:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:14:48 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:13 AEDT, nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > I agree, I think his flute playing on Xitintoday by Sphynx (is this > where all the "x" stuff started?) is excellent. His sax noodling fit > in well in the early 70's. I don't think it clicks with anything > Hawkwind has done since "Astounding Sounds Amazing > Music". > > Guido I've got the flute recording he did in the Chambers - good stuff From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:21:26 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:21:26 EDT Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: Can I add my 2p worth? Can I get change for a pound? I lurrrrrvvvvveeeeee the frilly bitz at Mission Control!! Fits in with the Hawkwind theme really. How bout some animated strippers pealing off frilly undergarments as well? Sorry gals but no male strippers - that would just be uncouth and wrong. teehee In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:47:38 AEDT, M Holmes writes: > Arin Komins writes: > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just to type in my 2 cents on this. > > > > Rik is the official webmaster for the band. I think Alisa was right > > in asking to not rehash that battle. > > > > In general, rather than yelling at him over his site design, it's more > > useful to drop him email asking for changes (and explaining why.) > > OK. > > I'm a 'puting professional and very text-oriented by mental habit and I > think that's at least one reason why I find the site somewhat difficult. > I do find moving graphics distracting when I'm trying to read something, > but hell, at least we don't have popups. I'd guess there are also issues > on downloading time for some of the graphics stuff but it hasn't overly > affected me. Maybe if I read at home over a modem rather than staying at > work it'd be different. > > What I do find difficult is finding what I'm looking for. As a > text-oriented person I kinda expect a Main Menu (Gigs, albums, lyrics, > news, pictures, whatever) and then gradually move down a tree (list of > albums or lyrics) until I hit what I'm looking for. At all times I > expect to be able to move down the tree until I hit a leaf of info; back > up the tree to the higher branch list and of course back to the > base/home page. It's good that the base page no longer fires up a > separate page that I don't want, but the navigation still seems to make > things difficult. > > What would help is some kind of site map that would outline the > structure of the whole site and allow folks to just drop into sections > of it. I'm sure Rik would like to keep the look and feel of the SF > concept so why not have an overall "Galactic map" where solar systems > represent each area (gigs; lyrics; news; pics...), warping into a system > gets you a bunch of labelled planets representing sublists and moving to > them gets a planet and a bunch of moons wth sub-submenus. We all have > innate ability to navigate by map, so as long as there wasn;t a tendency > to reorganise the galaxy every few weeks that'd probably work. > > I don't want to seem hypercritical though. It's good that the piccies > have thumbnails to click on and I think the basic structure is sound. > It's only the navigation stuff that's really throwing me. I'm also aware > that it takes time and effort to keep these sites up to date and I do > appreciate the work that's being done. > > Cheers > > FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:25:19 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:25:19 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Mission control loads up for me in less than five seconds. Add more anphetamine to your gerbils water bottle and they will run faster on their little running wheels and the pooter will poot faster. Works for me. In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:00:41 AEDT, Chris writes: > Hi ya, > > The _only_ person/people with a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain > name is/are the person/people who own it. If that is not D. B. then D. > B. has no right to it at all period. > > And I quite agree: any site that takes 5 minuites to load is not worth > the wait. > Web/html conventions exist to make life easy and should be followed at > all times. > > Despite D. B.'s crass attitude problem the only reason I don't go to his > site is it is a pain in the butt. > > Chris > > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > Erm, I'm *not* a raging Nik fan. This was meant to be a light hearted > > aside. Sorry - I should have put a smiley after it. My fault. > > > > My point about the Mission Control website holds though - yes, Hawkwind have > > a perfect right to the hawkwind.com domain name, of course they do. I'm > > annoyed about the way Andy (the original owner) was treated - he ran the > > original "official" site (see archives) - which was simple, informative and > > easy to use. Unlike the Mission Control site. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:28:51 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:28:51 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:02:39 AEDT, Eric Siegerman writes: > And to the Ozrics yet. Geez! (Not that I have anything against > them, but if anyone was going to be ahead of HW, I'd have hoped > and expected it to be Pink Floyd.) :)Bah humbug!! Pink Floyd should be second and everyone else after them. Only because I haven't heard some of the other bands on that vote list. Get in their n vote Hawkfans - Great bands have great fans. So what are ya waiting for fans???? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:34:58 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:34:58 EDT Subject: HW: mission control Message-ID: Aye!! I must say when I discovered the original web site I was quite pleased. Hawkwind on the net!! I frequently checked in there to see if Hawkwind planned to tour Australia - checking fer 6 months. Asked the dudes running it if it was possible to be contacted if an Australian tour was being planned. Left an email address. But they never did. I missed the tour. Mission Control now is superb. A few thing need tweaking but I am assured the tweaking is happening. I am happy. In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:20:57 AEDT, Mick Crook writes: > eeee when I wer a lad..... > As someone old enough to remember the days before internet sites and even fan based news letters, when the the only HW info available was via snippets and the odd article in the Music Press - I greatly appreciate being able to access information directly from the band as soon as its available. > Whoever maintains the site is going to have their own views as to how it is laid out - unfortunately not everyone will happy with it. Just be glad there is one I say! > > Mick > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:39:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:39:00 EDT Subject: HW: HAWKFEST Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:43:54 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > Its a Nik Turner conspiracy!!!!!!!!!! LoL!! I'm pretty sure I've got a few nice buds stashed away somewhere. Time to get a little less than jiggy and fire up some twiggy. Put on my favourite HW cd's and drift awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.............. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 07:59:42 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:59:42 EDT Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: >P.S. When Huw misses notes all begin to scream "Oh, >how bad he played this >night!" When Nik does it is called genius... ok. aint that the truth!! Don't no-one be sayin nuthin about Huw or It'll be light beer with a twist of lemon and a little paper umbrella in it for you!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 08:01:16 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:01:16 EDT Subject: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:46:46 AEDT, Chris writes: > Yo, > > > > P.S. When Huw misses notes all begin to scream "Oh, how bad he played this > > night!" When Nik does it is called genius... ok. > > But I've never critisized him, not even when he is playing acoustic in > his local pub, Huw is one of the best guitar players, not the fastest > perhaps, but he has 'something'. > > Chris Not you, but there have been some in the past From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 08:23:48 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:23:48 EDT Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:22:58 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > Hi, I don't mind if some people don't like Nik, Its not going to change my > opinion. I'm sure theres folks that like Captain Rizz and many don't. I'll > shut up now. :-) Cheers STEPHE LoL .... Rizla rolling papers suck mannnnnnnnn. Too flimsy. Ezy widers for me (when I can get em) :-)))))) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Aug 28 08:47:31 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:47:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sesame-Lemmy St. In-Reply-To: <183.d781694.2a9d5fff@aol.com> Message-ID: OK, here's the "1,2,3,4" Album in its entirety: 1, 2, Sing the Blues I'm So Big Bird (I Don't Care) No Voices, It's Nap Time Goin' to Hooper's Nighty Night/The Dreamtime Love Monsters Forever Elmo City Make Maria's Day C.O.O.K.I.E.S. We All Fall Down 1,2,3,4 Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > Here are some ideas: > > 'A' of Spades' > > 'Groverkill' > > 'Stay Clean/Rubber Ducky' > > 'Oscarmatron' > > 'Another Perfect J' > > 'Ernie Fist' > > 'Die You Bigbird' > > 'Sammy the Snakebite Love' > > 'BomBert' > > ''C' is for 'Capricorn' > > 'Metropo-Snuffaluppagus' > > 'Elmo-torhead' > > 'Walk a Kermit Mile' > > 'Nothing Up My Sleeve' (Performed by Mumford the Magician) > > Any more ideas? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 08:56:22 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:56:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Sesame-Lemmy St. Message-ID: What about Doin the pidgeon - ooooh ooooohh Grovers ghonnerea blues in G# The Oscar overture In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:48:44 AEDT, Brian Halligan writes: > OK, here's the "1,2,3,4" Album in its entirety: > > > 1, 2, Sing the Blues > > I'm So Big Bird (I Don't Care) > > No Voices, It's Nap Time > > Goin' to Hooper's > > Nighty Night/The Dreamtime > > Love Monsters Forever > > Elmo City > > Make Maria's Day > > C.O.O.K.I.E.S. > > We All Fall Down > > 1,2,3,4 > > > > Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > Here are some ideas: > > > > 'A' of Spades' > > > > 'Groverkill' > > > > 'Stay Clean/Rubber Ducky' > > > > 'Oscarmatron' > > > > 'Another Perfect J' > > > > 'Ernie Fist' > > > > 'Die You Bigbird' > > > > 'Sammy the Snakebite Love' > > > > 'BomBert' > > > > ''C' is for 'Capricorn' > > > > 'Metropo-Snuffaluppagus' > > > > 'Elmo-torhead' > > > > 'Walk a Kermit Mile' > > > > 'Nothing Up My Sleeve' (Performed by Mumford the Magician) > > > > Any more ideas? From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Aug 28 09:00:32 2002 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:00:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sesame-Lemmy St. In-Reply-To: <183.d781694.2a9d5fff@aol.com> Message-ID: > Make Maria's Day Or Make My Sunny Day I'd better go do some real work now. Brian NP> Acid Jam 2 From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Aug 28 11:46:46 2002 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: OK, my vote just tied it all up, somebody else now has to take it Over The Top. Stephan >> > >> > Just vote: http://www.space-rock.co.uk/ >> > Captain Wagner >> >> Yeah VOTE! Hawkwind is coming second so vote ya slackers!! :) > >And to the Ozrics yet. Geez! (Not that I have anything against >them, but if anyone was going to be ahead of HW, I'd have hoped >and expected it to be Pink Floyd.) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 11:33:31 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:33:31 EDT Subject: HW: vote Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:31:00 AEDT, Stephan Forstner writes: > OK, my vote just tied it all up, somebody else now has to take it Over The Top. > Stephan THATS the SPIRIT!! From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Aug 28 13:56:07 2002 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:56:07 -0400 Subject: OFF Just a giggle - OFF In-Reply-To: <19f.7b48f6c.2a9e06db@aol.com>; from Michaelangelo68@AOL.COM on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:58:35AM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:58:35AM -0400, Michael W Blackman wrote: > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:16:15 AEDT, Alisa writes: > > > > Alisa, this is a fact (from MY own experiences, not what someone > > > told me): Nik can play with anyone, with or without rehearsals, > > > regardless of their musical abilities. Space rock, psychedelia, > > > Jazz, Ska, Big Band... > > > > Oh yes, surely he can! The same eeeeh-ahhhh-eeeeh-ahhh thing on saxophone. When he guested with Harvey Bainbridge at last year's Strange Daze, he wasn't like that at all. His sax playing was really mellow -- it fit in very well -- and he wasn't trying to upstage Harvey at all, as far as I could tell. I was quite pleasantly surprised. > > Though he was very good on flute. Oh yeah! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current will perhaps reach the source. - Paul Schneider-Esleben From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 28 14:29:27 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:29:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi Richard - as you turned the BOClist into the Richard Lockwood channel over the last few days, I thought I'd respond with a few observations: You Wrote: "So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? Hope you're f**king proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day one, when no-one else would". A: wow - you only just caught up with this old chestnut? Tell me NEWS not HISTORY ! :-} (Just to update those new to the list, the old site run by Andy Gilham at www.hawkwind.com was NEVER owned by, or run with the authority of Hawkwind. In fact, the band have never even *met* Andy Gillham, so the "Official" status bestowed on the site came from god knows where. Whatever stuff went up on the site may have been good, bad or indifferent and that was the whole point, as Andy did not liaise directly with the band, anything that went up there was NOT sanctioned by them, and therefore they had no control over words, images and views that claimed to be the "official" voice of the band. This could obviously lead to the possibility of court action being taken against them if the site contained anything not in their interests or broke copyright etc. Action was taken when things started to appear that could possibly lead to the band being sued. Oh ya - curb the language eh? As to "got the domain name off Andy... Rik" - well as Andy didn't own the site, (it was a Mr Smith), and as I don't own it now (It's Mr Brock) - both of your allegations fail. Perhaps a tad of research (and less beer) before you spout off again eh? ----------------------------- You Wrote: "You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now". A: Well Alan is still IN the band - Nik ISN'T - e-mail me privately if you still can't grasp this basic concept. (Also your mail from Andy Gilham about 'Liberty' was totally irrelevant. Members of Liberty X were never in or connected with 'Liberty' - different issues involved totally). And remind me exactly where I slated Andy for promoting Nik's gigs - a bit of over keenly reading between the lines on your part I think? I assume you have some direct evidence of this claim? I'd *love* to see it. ------------------------------- MISSION CONTROL: Twice in as many weeks you have publicly ranted in haste then repented. This would be fine if we had not already been in private contact about such issues as the website, where you agreed to wait to see if your suggestions had been incorporated into the new update. Yet you still felt the need to again have a rant about stuff which you already knew is being addressed, albeit as you put it "after a few beers and got really irate". Why the need for such a public slagging when we'd chatted quite amicably in private? I look forward to when (if ever) your site WWW.BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK comes online. Perhaps we can all then see how a 'real professional' does it. :-} YOU WROTE: "Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and rather than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. A: Ever since launch, a year ago, the site has discreetly JavaScript filtered IE users to the page 'hw_x.htm' and Netscape/Opera users to the page 'hw_x.htm' to make use of each browser's particular JavaScript capabilities. So, in fact, a) index.htm *is*, and always has been the 'conventional' default page and b) it redirects to hw_x.htm only in IE browsers c) the filename hw_x.html you stated does not exist (no 'l') oh ya while we're at it - index also has an 'x' in it - oh dear, better not use that either !!!! :-} ------------------------------ MISSION CONTROL UPDATES IN PROGRESS: For those that missed it before, MC is being updated to give it a cleaner, fresher look, and will address most of the issues that people have raised as constructive critisism. (HOWEVER, - (Richard please note) - just how "the current site sucks", "f***ked off with trying to get rid of those f**king irritating fades" can be construed as 'constructive' beggars belief). IF YOU GET 'LOST IN SPACE' - CLICK ON THE EYE The "hard to navigate" MC site has one very, very simple concept to grasp: click on the eye that appears on every page to return to the central, 'mission control' launchpad, from where you can access all the site's key areas. No page is more than two clicks away from Mission Control, as per the 'traditional' conventions of web-design. As this appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a choice of an updated graphical rich interface, and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and loads of other updates and fixes for those visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections (You know who you are ! :-) As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts of stuff that has to work over a huge combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, Platforms inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - but hang in there...... Rx From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 28 14:52:05 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:52:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website ERRATUM Message-ID: Just a small erratum on the pervious post RE Richard L. The following section should have read: YOU WROTE: "Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the letter "x", you're main page flies in the face of all convention, and rather than calling it "index.html", you're quite happy to call it hw_x.html. A: Ever since launch, a year ago, the site has discreetly JavaScript filtered IE users to the page 'hw_x.htm' and Netscape/Opera users to the page 'hw_z.htm' to make use of each browser's particular JavaScript capabilities. So, in fact, a) index.htm *is*, and always has been the 'conventional' default page and b) it redirects to hw_x.htm only in IE browsers c) the filename hw_x.html you stated does not exist (no 'l') oh ya while we're at it - index also has an 'x' in it - oh dear, better not use that either !!!! :-} Hope this clarifies: Rx From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Aug 28 15:22:25 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:22:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <200208281829.OAA02351@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200208281829.OAA02351 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx writes >IF YOU GET 'LOST IN SPACE' - CLICK ON THE EYE >The "hard to navigate" MC site has one very, very simple concept to grasp: >click on the eye that appears on every >page to return to the central, 'mission control' launchpad, from where you >can access all the site's key areas. Not in the latest release of Mozilla you can't - no eye. Can't see it in Opera 6.0 either. >No page >is more than two clicks away from Mission Control, as per the 'traditional' >conventions of web-design. As this >appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a choice >of an updated graphical rich interface, >and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} That struck me as extremely patronising - but there's a smiley on the end, so that's ok. How about - 'and a very basic one who for those who want to be able to navigate/find information easily and quickly and are pig sick of seeing the same slow fades over and over again and want to make the most of their modern fast connections rather than visiting a slow cumbersome site that looks like a nostalgic retro trip for lovers of the 28.8k modem experience.' Oops, nearly forgot - ;o) -- David Blair From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 28 15:42:42 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:42:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hi Dave you make a few good points, however your notes are based on EXISTING pages, not the yet to be unleashed site.... Each new encarnation of browser brings probs, such as our great friends at Micro$oft not including the Java Engine in their shiny new browser. Do we assume people (such as those on a 28.8k dialup) will bother to do the 6mb Java engine download just to see one of our applets? Or take all Java off the site so that nobody gets it? Trikky decisions need to be made 4 sure. That's why the newie is taking ages.. it's hard to create "something for everyone" when everyone has very different needs. This is easy when we create commercial sites that are targetted at a very different sector, but the brief for the HW site is to reflect the rich visual environment that HW demands by default. The fades are trikky - some like, some don't - and it's not JavaScript as someone claimed, but a IE only METAtag transition. Maybe we should have a democratic referenum ? Rx On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:22:25 +0100, David Blair wrote: >In article <200208281829.OAA02351 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx B.ORG> writes > > > >>IF YOU GET 'LOST IN SPACE' - CLICK ON THE EYE >>The "hard to navigate" MC site has one very, very simple concept to grasp: >>click on the eye that appears on every >>page to return to the central, 'mission control' launchpad, from where you >>can access all the site's key areas. > >Not in the latest release of Mozilla you can't - no eye. Can't see it in >Opera 6.0 either. > >How about - 'and a very basic one who for those who want to be able to >navigate/find information easily and quickly and are pig sick of seeing >the same slow fades over and over again and want to make the most of >their modern fast connections rather than visiting a slow cumbersome >site that looks like a nostalgic retro trip for lovers of the 28.8k >modem experience.' > >Oops, nearly forgot - ;o) >-- >David Blair From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Aug 28 15:59:54 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:59:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: <200208281942.PAA02963@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200208281942.PAA02963 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx writes >Hi Dave you make a few good points, however your notes are based on EXISTING >pages, not the yet to be unleashed site.... Yup >Each new encarnation of browser brings probs, such as our great friends at >Micro$oft not including the Java Engine in their shiny new browser. Do we >assume people (such as those on a 28.8k dialup) will bother to do the 6mb >Java engine download just to see one of our applets? Or take all Java off >the site so that nobody gets it? Trikky decisions need to be made 4 sure. Or make it like on some sites with flash intro pages - a 'skip intro/effects' button? (Not just for those who haven't got Java, or who have it but have disabled it - any effect can get tiring and/or annoying with enough repetition) >That's why the newie is taking ages.. it's hard to create "something for >everyone" when everyone has very different needs. This is easy when we >create commercial sites that are targetted at a very different sector, but >the brief for the HW site is to reflect the rich visual environment that HW >demands by default. > >The fades are trikky - some like, some don't - and it's not JavaScript as >someone claimed, but a IE only METAtag transition. Maybe we should have a >democratic referenum ? > >Rx Good idea - but where? A poll on the site might yield better (Or at least more) results than a poll here - if anyone can find it ;o) -- David Blair From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Aug 28 17:37:29 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:37:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Yo Went from 133,000 gerbil box to 450 gerbils trying to get them to breed to 4,000,000;-) Chris Michaelangelo68 at aol.com wrote: > > Mission control loads up for me in less than five seconds. > Add more anphetamine to your gerbils water bottle and they will run faster on their little running wheels and the pooter will poot faster. Works for me. > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Aug 28 17:41:33 2002 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:41:33 +0000 Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: You think Rizzla is bad? In America some people will only use some kinda rice paper papers that _have_no_sticky_gum_ they are _real_ thin and are meant to stick with just saliva - never could get a decent three skin together......... CXhris Michaelangelo68 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:22:58 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > > > Hi, I don't mind if some people don't like Nik, Its not going to change my > > opinion. I'm sure theres folks that like Captain Rizz and many don't. I'll > > shut up now. :-) Cheers STEPHE > > LoL .... Rizla rolling papers suck mannnnnnnnn. Too flimsy. Ezy widers for me (when I can get em) > > :-)))))) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 28 16:52:16 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:52:16 -0400 Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: When I was in Jamaica they were using newpaper. It actually worked with just spit. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: The Arguement - just a thought > You think Rizzla is bad? > > In America some people will only use some kinda rice paper papers that > _have_no_sticky_gum_ they are _real_ thin and are meant to stick with > just saliva - never could get a decent three skin together......... > > CXhris > > Michaelangelo68 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:22:58 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > > > > > Hi, I don't mind if some people don't like Nik, Its not going to change my > > > opinion. I'm sure theres folks that like Captain Rizz and many don't. I'll > > > shut up now. :-) Cheers STEPHE > > > > LoL .... Rizla rolling papers suck mannnnnnnnn. Too flimsy. Ezy widers for me (when I can get em) > > > > :-)))))) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Aug 28 17:26:36 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:26:36 -0400 Subject: OFF-Captain Beyond Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if a 2cd set called Captain Beyond-The Completer live, is an official release or a bootleg? Cheers STEPHE From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Aug 28 17:26:11 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:26:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik Rx sez-- > Hi Dave you make a few good points, however your notes are based on EXISTING > pages, not the yet to be unleashed site.... Not surprising, since we haven't seen the new site. > Each new encarnation of browser brings probs, such as our great friends at > Micro$oft not including the Java Engine in their shiny new browser. Hmm, maybe the Microsoft guys aren't quite as stupid as I thought. > Do we > assume people (such as those on a 28.8k dialup) will bother to do the 6mb > Java engine download just to see one of our applets? Hell no! I sure wouldn't! But then, I doubt you're all that concerned about these people anyway, since you're bloating their download with ridiculous applet script in the first place. > Or take all Java off > the site so that nobody gets it? Trikky decisions need to be made 4 sure. Well, if it isn't worth downloading the Java engine, is it worth including the scripts on your site? > That's why the newie is taking ages.. it's hard to create "something for > everyone" when everyone has very different needs. This is easy when we > create commercial sites that are targetted at a very different sector, but > the brief for the HW site is to reflect the rich visual environment that HW > demands by default. I've seen your "business" site, and I don't think any of your (genuine?) commercial sites (which appear, for the most part, to be as unfinished as the new "Mission Control") are significantly different. Let's face it, you're into ugly graphics, clashing colors, proprietary tags, and gee whiz freebie javascripts. There are scads of "rich visual" sites on the web, which do not have cheesy animated gifs and "effects" that can be seen on one browser, but not another. Maybe Dave Brock (or whoever is overseeing your "efforts") should deep six the brief. > The fades are trikky - some like, some don't - and it's not JavaScript as > someone claimed, but a IE only METAtag transition. Maybe we should have a > democratic referenum ? Interesting to see you cite browser issues and rag on Microsoft while employing their proprietary tags. It speaks volumes for your approach to web design. Guido From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 28 17:49:28 2002 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:49:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website ERRATUM In-Reply-To: <200208281852.OAA02507@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:52:05PM -0400, Rik Rx wrote: => Hope this clarifies: It clarifies one thing, at least... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 28 18:14:32 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:14:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:26:11 +0000, nycademon at ATTBI.COM wrote: >Rik Rx sez-- > >> Hi Dave you make a few good points, however your notes are based on EXISTING >> pages, not the yet to be unleashed site.... > >Not surprising, since we haven't seen the new site. Well I was Correct then >Hell no! I sure wouldn't! But then, I doubt you're all that concerned about these people anyway, since you're bloating their download with ridiculous applet script in the first place. Not a Java Fan Then? >Well, if it isn't worth downloading the Java engine, is it worth including the scripts on your site? Well a lot of people like them; not everyone thinks like you - we try to cater for ALL tastes not the minority, however vocal >I've seen your "business" site, and I don't think any of your (genuine?) commercial sites (which appear, for the most part, to be as unfinished as the new "Mission Control") are significantly different. Let's face it, you're into ugly graphics, clashing colors, proprietary tags, and gee whiz freebie javascripts. You have seen my "business site" ? really? which ones of the 300+ sites we have online at present? >There are scads of "rich visual" sites on the web, which do not have cheesy animated gifs and "effects" that can be seen on one browser, but not another. Maybe Dave Brock (or whoever is overseeing your "efforts") should deep six the brief. > What is a scad? and "deep six"?? whoa there...... >> The fades are trikky - some like, some don't - and it's not JavaScript as >> someone claimed, but a IE only METAtag transition. Maybe we should have a >> democratic referenum ? > >Interesting to see you cite browser issues and rag on Microsoft while employing their proprietary tags. It speaks volumes for your approach to web design. the tags work in all v3+ versions of IE If you bothered to read my note you'll notice we employ browser specific redirects I seem to remember having this conversation with you before - you missed the whole point that time too :-} >Guido From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 28 18:42:00 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:42:00 +0100 Subject: Off: BEER In-Reply-To: <04ac01c243fa$ab458460$882a27d9@bernard>; from rich@BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:25:37AM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:25:37AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > Right you are - I got myself a job yesterday, so give it a month or so for > me to get paid, then the first couple of rounds are on me. > > First round, Marston's "Merrie Monk". > > > Have you suddenly turned into Rik Mayals "bottom" character? LoL > > HAHAHAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHH > > HAHAHAH HAAAAAAARRRRRGH > > HAAAAA HAAAAA..... > > sorry about that...... > > A wee bit more time and the sampling will continue. > > Of course if you wanna educate me on the finer points of beer drinking and > are paying I would not complain.:) > > Cheers ole bean!! You going to send the bottles out to Australia, Rich? What is Merrie Monk, anyway, not one of the Marstons I've encountered. They make a very dry beer by and large it seems to me, not bad, just unusual. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Aug 28 18:51:27 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:51:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik sez-- > >I've seen your "business" site, and I don't think any of your (genuine?) > commercial sites (which appear, for the most part, to be as unfinished as > the new "Mission Control") are significantly different. Let's face it, > you're into ugly graphics, clashing colors, proprietary tags, and gee whiz > freebie javascripts. > > You have seen my "business site" ? really? which ones of the 300+ sites we > have online at present? No, YOUR site, CyanBlue (http://cy-b.org). At least, I assume that's your site, since Hawkwind is one of the clients (assuming you really do have more than one client). As for your 300+ sites, I'd love to see any of them. Did you design them, or are you just providing web hosting? If the former, could you list five or ten of them, maybe? Have you, actually, designed a commercial site that is currently on the web (not including http://cy-b.org)? Of the other "clients" listed on your site (again, http://cy-b.org, so you don't get the impression that I'm talking about any of the myriads of other sites you've created), Fiero Factory has a web site designed by Web Design Services (which I suspect is not "CyanBlue"), Cairn Forestry can't be found on a Google search, the Chow's example consists of one page that says "Chow's Quality Chinese Cuisine" (can't be found on Google), and nothing else, Chemsell is now CheMarket (?2001 CambridgeSoft Corporation), and apparently has its own webmaster, Hempel's Foods can't be found on Google, and PNH Consulting (of Canada?) doesn't have a web site. I didn't see any other web design "clients" listed (except Hawkwind, of course). > I seem to remember having this conversation with you before - you missed the > whole point that time too :-} So I'm getting penalized with a patented Rik Rx smiley? Guido From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 28 18:53:13 2002 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:53:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock's Destruction of Hawkwind Reputation In-Reply-To: <200208150618.CAA18114@listserv.spc.edu>; from djsatan.23@BTINTERNET.COM on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:18:55AM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:18:55AM -0400, King of Comedy typed out: > REMEMBER THIS. THE REAL VILLAIN IN ALL THIS IS CHRIS HEWITT, IT BEING HE > WHO COMPOSED THE ORIGINAL INSIDIOUS "PRESS RELEASE". I;d be very interested to know how you know that so as to state it so definitively. The second one we got looks a lot like that since it arrived from CD Services in almost the same wording not long after, but the first one with the Moorccok testimonials in it... how can you know who wrote that? > NIK WAS PROBABLY HAPPY WITH THE NAME CHANGE, AND IS BEING MANIPULATED TO > CARRY THIS THROUGH. MEANTIME, NO-ONE IS MAKING ANY MUSIC!!!!! Well, Nik and Hawkwind have both previewed one new song at recent gigs, let's see who gets the album out first shall we. It's not like they were exactly rushing product out before this fracas. But yes, I fully agree that the two bands are wasting time they should be using as bands. > BOYCOTT OZIT, AND THEIR ATTEMPTS TO GET YOU TO FINANCE THE COURT CASE BY > GETTING FANS TO BUY TICKETS FOR A NIK BENEFIT, HOW UNREAL IS THAT???????? > > IMAGINE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR FUTURE ATTENDANCE OF "REAL HAWKWIND GIGS" > FAN VS. FAN? THAT IS WHERE THIS IS HEADED IF YOU LET IT!! > DON'T LET THESE PEOPLE HIJACK THE PAST IN ORDER TO RULE YOUR FUTURE! And yet, look, here you are advising to support one side and not the other. I'm not quite sure what you're saying with that last paragraph. Are you attempting to suggest that "real Hawkwind fans" would cause trouble for Nikwind-supporters if the latter tried to go to a real HW gig? Or that the band would? You can tell who they are just by looking, can you? I realise you feel a loyalty here but this is not very coherent propaganda. I'll go to see Nik when he next plays where I can reach him, in November; I'll do the same with Hawkwind whenever that may be. And if either of them don't like it they can invite me not to go; but last time I saw the Hawkestra it was fun, and last time I saw Hawkwind it was fun, and as long as they keep tickets available to the public I don't really see what either band can do to keep me away and I don't like the implication above that you or anyone else would be likely to try and do that. Yours, Jon ObTrack: Motorhead - `Killed by Death' -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Aug 28 19:13:07 2002 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:13:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Oh dear we do seem to be having a strop don't we??? however - you are quite right, that page you "researched" is indeed VERY out of date (2/3 years at least) - I'll need to update it all. . . as we're now whizzing off into very OFF territory I'll mail u off list, but I really don't see why I need to justify myself or my professional status to you coz you take exception to how MC has been constructed !! No website is ever "finished" the web is dynamic - that's it's nature - surprised you were not aware of that !!! oh ya BTW, while we're at it smileys were not invented or patented by me either How's Debs by the way? Rx >Rik sez-- > >> >I've seen your "business" site, and I don't think any of your (genuine?) >> commercial sites (which appear, for the most part, to be as unfinished as >> the new "Mission Control") are significantly different. Let's face it, >> you're into ugly graphics, clashing colors, proprietary tags, and gee whiz >> freebie javascripts. >> >> You have seen my "business site" ? really? which ones of the 300+ sites we >> have online at present? > >No, YOUR site, CyanBlue (http://cy-b.org). At least, I assume that's your site, since Hawkwind is one of the clients (assuming you really do have more than one client). As for your 300+ sites, I'd love to see any of them. Did you design them, or are you just providing web hosting? If the former, could you list five or ten of them, maybe? Have you, actually, designed a commercial site that is currently on the web (not including http://cy-b.org)? > >Of the other "clients" listed on your site (again, http://cy-b.org, so you don't get the impression that I'm talking about any of the myriads of other sites you've created), Fiero Factory has a web site designed by Web Design Services (which I suspect is not "CyanBlue"), Cairn Forestry can't be found on a Google search, the Chow's example consists of one page that says "Chow's Quality Chinese Cuisine" (can't be found on Google), and nothing else, Chemsell is now CheMarket (?2001 CambridgeSoft Corporation), and apparently has its own webmaster, Hempel's Foods can't be found on Google, and PNH Consulting (of Canada?) doesn't have a web site. I didn't see any other web design "clients" listed (except Hawkwind, of course). > >> I seem to remember having this conversation with you before - you missed the >> whole point that time too :-} > >So I'm getting penalized with a patented Rik Rx smiley? > >Guido From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Aug 28 19:30:31 2002 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:30:31 -0400 Subject: OFF-Captain Beyond Message-ID: stephe lindas wrote: > Can anyone tell me if a 2cd set called Captain Beyond-The Completer live, is an official release or a bootleg? Cheers STEPHE It is not an official release. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Wed Aug 28 20:19:58 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:19:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik Rx wrote: >Oh dear we do seem to be having a strop don't we??? > Strop? Isn't that a leather strap for sharpening straight razors? >however - you are quite right, that page you "researched" is indeed VERY out >of date (2/3 years at least) - I'll need to update it all. . . as we're now >whizzing off into very OFF territory I'll mail u off list, but I really >don't see why I need to justify myself or my professional status to you coz >you take exception to how MC has been constructed !! > With reference to "300+" sites, and comments like >This is easy when we >create commercial sites > you are portraying yourself as some sort of web design professional. I'd just like to see something (anything) which supports these claims. C'mon Rik! A consummate web designer like you must have at least five sites of which you are especially proud! Can't you list a couple of them? I'm sure there are at least a few people on boc-l who'd like to see more of your work. >No website is ever "finished" the web is dynamic - that's it's nature - >surprised you were not aware of that !!! > Some are more "finished" than others. Yours are apparently more "unfinished" than most >oh ya BTW, while we're at it smileys were not invented or patented by me >either > Oh gee, thanks for that wonderful bit of information! >How's Debs by the way? > I don't know anyone named "Debs", so sorry. So how about it Rik? Can you list five sites you've designed? Guido From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Wed Aug 28 20:57:29 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:57:29 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Rik, you wrote > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and loads of other updates > and fixes YEAH, Yeah, Hawkwind Screensavers &, oh yeah, what about a Winamp Skin (can anyone actually do one of those :) ?), slaver, drool, other disgusting wet noises & special FX. .....so did I miss the point of this email...or what? personally, I don't mind Mission Control - I just wish that alien would stop taking over. Allan From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 20:57:34 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:57:34 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:29:57 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > ------------------------------ , as per the 'traditional' > conventions of web-design. As this > appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a choice > of an updated graphical rich interface, > and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} hehe > The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better navigation, a > password protected area for HW > passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line > merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail > announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and Yea and they did feast merrily upon fine bread, corn, mutton & fish and sloth and the wine and ale did flow freely but the hangovers were slight the next morning. > > As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts of > stuff that has to work over a huge > combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, Platforms > inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - > but hang in there...... > > Rx Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even gooder - I'm sure. From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Aug 28 21:18:29 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:18:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even gooder - I'm sure. Better, Michael. I've never had problems with Mission Control either. :-) And I'm looking forward to the new incarnation...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:29:57 AEDT, Rik Rx writes: > > > ------------------------------ > , as per the 'traditional' > > conventions of web-design. As this > > appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a choice > > of an updated graphical rich interface, > > and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} > > hehe > > > The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better navigation, a > > password protected area for HW > > passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line > > merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail > > announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded > > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and > > Yea and they did feast merrily upon fine bread, corn, mutton & fish and sloth and the wine and ale did flow freely but the hangovers were slight the next morning. > > > > > As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts of > > stuff that has to work over a huge > > combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, Platforms > > inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - > > but hang in there...... > > > > Rx > > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even gooder - I'm sure. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 21:18:32 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:18:32 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Must drive web designers nuts with all the web browsers/platforms slow connection modems, clunker computer owners and various levels of computer literacy. Perhaps a section could added for that predicament - nothing but straight text or whatever? - I dont know. In my own cheeky imagination I could envision a button with a "crank" graphic. Perhaps even an animation of a winding crank. You know like some of the first cars used to have. Point the mouse and the crank winds. A sound file of an engine trying to turn over would be hilarious for those with sound cards as well. To go one step further an ole hillbilly saying "dang nab it - turn betty turn" I have designed smallish websites that dont compare to the high standard of mission control. Even those takes a fair bit of work and time. My unprofessional outlook on the issue is if it dont work tuff. Download IE or nutscrape. Works on dem. Keep up the good work. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 21:24:22 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:24:22 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:39:28 AEDT, Chris writes: > Yo > > Went from 133,000 gerbil box to 450 gerbils trying to get them to breed > to 4,000,000;-) Rats would be better (quantity/breeding-wise) except they spend more time shagging or trying to find a shag than they do on running wheels. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 21:25:50 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:25:50 EDT Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:43:34 AEDT, Chris writes: > You think Rizzla is bad? > > In America some people will only use some kinda rice paper papers that > _have_no_sticky_gum_ they are _real_ thin and are meant to stick with > just saliva - never could get a decent three skin together......... theres a potential four-skin joke in their somewhere lol From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 21:28:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:28:00 EDT Subject: HW: The Arguement - just a thought Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:51:32 AEDT, stephe lindas writes: > When I was in Jamaica they were using newpaper. It actually worked with just > spit. Cheers STEPHE Any Hoiking involved in the process?? I'll carry a box of papers when I go...... hehe From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 21:38:13 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:38:13 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:52:36 AEDT, nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: >> "Bla... dribble" I'm really not intersted. Never had a problem with Mission Control except that I cant find the lyrics to the right to decide. Oh yeah - and theres no stripper animations...... Cup of tea?? 8>B or tee hee?? carefull how much "tee-hee" you take. D..a..n..g..e..r..o..u..s.. shit man From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 22:01:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:01:29 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:17:47 AEDT, Laura Waesche writes: > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even > gooder - I'm sure. > > Better, Michael. > > I've never had problems with Mission Control either. :-) And I'm looking > forward to the new incarnation...... Agreed. With the Strippers, willing babes and the bar complete with Hawkwind and various guests playing every night and day of the week, free drugs and booze the Mission Control "Better than Life" online VR suite will be a huge hit. How much longer now Rik? VR chair with optional groinal attatchment and goggles on standby ;-) From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Wed Aug 28 22:17:01 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:17:01 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: No offence Rik, but I vote Michael takes over Mission Control - now if I can just find the stop button on this nagging wife VR prog - damn, this program seems so real..... > Agreed. With the Strippers, willing babes and the bar complete with Hawkwind and various guests playing every night and day of the week, free drugs and booze the Mission Control "Better than Life" online VR suite will > be a huge hit. > How much longer now Rik? VR chair with optional groinal attatchment and goggles on standby ;-) > Allan From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Aug 28 22:22:26 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:22:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: The wife VR program can never be shut down. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Sharpe" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > No offence Rik, but I vote Michael takes over Mission Control - now if I can > just find the stop button on this nagging wife VR prog - damn, this program > seems so real..... > > > Agreed. With the Strippers, willing babes and the bar complete with > Hawkwind and various guests playing every night and day of the week, free > drugs and booze the Mission Control "Better than Life" online VR suite will > > be a huge hit. > > How much longer now Rik? VR chair with optional groinal attatchment and > goggles on standby ;-) > > > > Allan From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 23:23:56 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:23:56 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:17:43 AEDT, Allan Sharpe writes: Whatever you do - DON'T think of having 12 children!! DO NOT THINK IT!! > No offence Rik, but I vote Michael takes over Mission Control - now if I can > just find the stop button on this nagging wife VR prog - damn, this program > seems so real..... > > > Agreed. With the Strippers, willing babes and the bar complete with > Hawkwind and various guests playing every night and day of the week, free > drugs and booze the Mission Control "Better than Life" online VR suite will > > be a huge hit. > > How much longer now Rik? VR chair with optional groinal attatchment and > goggles on standby ;-) > > > > Allan From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 23:29:17 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:29:17 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:21:23 AEDT, Laura Waesche writes: > The wife VR program can never be shut down. ;-) Its like a web site with pop ups you cant get rid of. Only realy whiney nagging ones LoL Sorry to all the Mrs - obviously doemstic VR suites are biased lol From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Aug 29 02:28:23 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:28:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Dear BOC-L'ers By kind permission of Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge, who jointly created the Hawkwind Codex, it is now online and updated at Starfarer's Hawkwind Page (http://www.starfarer.net) The Codex lists all the versions of every HW song, noting how they differ and on which albums they appear. Synonyms are also covered (if, for example you didn't know -as I didn't- that "Psychedelia Lives" is a variant of "Shot Down In the Night"...) Any corrections will be gratefully received :-) Steve PS: Anyone who wants to take issue with any element of the web design, don't waste your breath...I don't care in the slightest. If, on the other hand, you have some brilliant idea for improving the delivery of the HW Codex and you're willing to undertake the development, that would be great. (I already tried PDF and it expanded to 717Kb) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 03:24:43 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:24:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Hmm. I think I'd better respond to these points, whether valid or not... > Hi Richard - as you turned the BOClist into the Richard Lockwood channel > over the last few days, I thought I'd > respond with a few observations: Sorry - how has this become the Richard Lockwood channel? I didn't realise that there was a limit to the number of posts anyone was allowed to make, or to the number of subjects anyone ws allowed to have an opinion on... > > You Wrote: > "So you got the domain name off Andy then did you Rik? > Hope you're f**king proud of yourselves after all the work he did from day > one, when no-one else would". > > A: wow - you only just caught up with this old chestnut? Tell me NEWS not > HISTORY ! :-} > (Just to update those new to the list, the old site run by Andy Gilham at > www.hawkwind.com was NEVER owned > by, or run with the authority of Hawkwind. In fact, the band have never even > *met* Andy Gillham, so the "Official" > status bestowed on the site came from god knows where. Whatever stuff went > up on the site may have been good, > bad or indifferent and that was the whole point, as Andy did not liaise > directly with the band, anything that went up > there was NOT sanctioned by them, and therefore they had no control over > words, images and views that claimed to > be the "official" voice of the band. This could obviously lead to the > possibility of court action being taken against them > if the site contained anything not in their interests or broke copyright > etc. Action was taken when things started to > appear that could possibly lead to the band being sued. Oh ya - curb the > language eh? > > As to "got the domain name off Andy... Rik" - well as Andy didn't own the > site, (it was a Mr Smith), and as I don't > own it now (It's Mr Brock) - both of your allegations fail. Perhaps a tad of > research (and less beer) before you spout > off again eh? We'll leave this one shall we? I've heard differing accounts from various parties, as well as various scurrilous accusations, and I don't want to say any more on this point. As you said - it's been discussed at length before now, and you're right, it doesn't need dragging up again. > > ----------------------------- > You Wrote: > "You were quite happy to slate Andy Gilham for promoting Nik's gigs, but > you'll quite happily promote Alan's Bedouin gigs on the site now". > > A: Well Alan is still IN the band - Nik ISN'T - e-mail me privately if you > still can't grasp this basic concept. Ooh - sarcasm... I would have thought that the place for Bedouin info would have been www.bedouinfo.com or somewhere, with a link from Mission Control, rather than the front page of the Hawkwind site. > (Also your mail from Andy Gilham about 'Liberty' was totally irrelevant. > Members of Liberty X were never in or > connected with 'Liberty' - different issues involved totally). Err, no. It isn't irrelevant. The point being made was that the simple addition of an "X" to a name *is* enough to differentiate two bands. That was it. > And remind me exactly where I slated Andy for promoting Nik's gigs - a bit > of over keenly reading between the lines > on your part I think? I assume you have some direct evidence of this claim? > I'd *love* to see it. Sorry - possible misunderstanding here (or me not making it clear). My use of the word "you" was intended to imply plural - as in "people concerned with the Mission Control website" - not you personally. > ------------------------------- > MISSION CONTROL: > Twice in as many weeks you have publicly ranted in haste then repented. > This would be fine if we had not already been in private contact about such > issues as the website, where you agreed > to wait to see if your suggestions had been incorporated into the new > update. Yet you still felt the need to again have > a rant about stuff which you already knew is being addressed, albeit as you > put it "after a few beers and got really > irate". Why the need for such a public slagging when we'd chatted quite > amicably in private? Had we? What name were you using when we chatted amicably? I don't remember making any suggestions about the website, and I don't recall being aware of any issues being addressed. > > I look forward to when (if ever) your site WWW.BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK > comes online. Perhaps we can all then see how a 'real professional' does it. > :-} There *is* a Beer Powered Noise Frenzy website - www.beerpowerednoisefrenzy.co.uk doesn't point to it because: a) It was more an experiment for me in a couple of web techniques rather than a fully thought out site - I didn't want to put it live when it wasn't finished - as I'm sure you can appreciate. (One of those problems was that I never got round to finishing the Netscape script). If you want to have a look at it, use IE and point it to http://rich.rootsquare.com b) We're not sure what's happening to the band at the moment c) I'm NOT a graphic designer - the site needs some decent design on it before it goes live properly. There are plenty sites I've coded, each with their own good points - some with bad. If you've got a fast connection have a look at www.becks.co.uk, www.sonybiz.net/ or www.pro.sony-europe.com for some examples... > > YOU WROTE: > "Oh, and I notice that since you're quite happy to slate Nik's usage of the > letter "x", you're main page flies in the face > of all convention, and rather than calling it "index.html", you're quite > happy to call it hw_x.html. > A: Ever since launch, a year ago, the site has discreetly JavaScript > filtered IE users to the page 'hw_x.htm' and > Netscape/Opera users to the page 'hw_x.htm' to make use of each browser's > particular JavaScript capabilities. > So, in fact, a) index.htm *is*, and always has been the 'conventional' > default page and b) it redirects to hw_x.htm > only in IE browsers c) the filename hw_x.html you stated does not exist (no > 'l') oh ya while we're at it - index also > has an 'x' in it - oh dear, better not use that either !!!! :-} Hmm. This was meant to be taken as a light hearted comment. > ------------------------------ > MISSION CONTROL UPDATES IN PROGRESS: > For those that missed it before, MC is being updated to give it a cleaner, > fresher look, and will address most of the > issues that people have raised as constructive critisism. (HOWEVER, - > (Richard please note) - just how "the current > site sucks", "f***ked off with trying to get rid of those f**king irritating > fades" can be construed as 'constructive' > beggars belief). I'll be interested to see the new version. Hopefully without fades... Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 03:50:00 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:50:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > > There are plenty sites I've coded, each with their own good points - some > with bad. If you've got a fast connection have a look at www.becks.co.uk, > www.sonybiz.net/ or www.pro.sony-europe.com for some examples... > Sorry - those last two go to the same site - I meant www.goldfishepi.co.uk - mistake in my copy-and-pasting. (And it's only the Becks site that needs the fast connection) Cheers, Rich. From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 05:29:18 2002 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:29:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: THe Codex is a great addtion to your website. I can see alot of work has gone into putting the codex together which i think we all appreciate. I have one question though. I noticed that there was no mention on the codex that some of the tracks on the single epoch eclipse cd have been slightly remixed. Quark strangness and charm has a repeating bass note at the start of the song and if my memeory is correct motorhead has some motorcycle reving noises on it. I can't remember if any of the other tracks are slightly different and do they warrant a mention on the codex? apart from that the codex is excellent, so for being picky. many thanks colm On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:28:23 -0400, Steve Youles wrote: >Dear BOC-L'ers > >By kind permission of Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge, who jointly created >the Hawkwind Codex, it is now online and updated at Starfarer's Hawkwind >Page (http://www.starfarer.net) > >The Codex lists all the versions of every HW song, noting how they differ >and on which albums they appear. Synonyms are also covered (if, for >example you didn't know -as I didn't- that "Psychedelia Lives" is a variant >of "Shot Down In the Night"...) > >Any corrections will be gratefully received :-) > >Steve > >PS: Anyone who wants to take issue with any element of the web design, >don't waste your breath...I don't care in the slightest. If, on the other >hand, you have some brilliant idea for improving the delivery of the HW >Codex and you're willing to undertake the development, that would be >great. (I already tried PDF and it expanded to 717Kb) From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Aug 29 05:51:20 2002 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:51:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Sorry to be picky but doesn't Back on the Streets start with a raw guitar sound as well on that single version? -----Original Message----- From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 29/08/02 10:29 Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online THe Codex is a great addtion to your website. I can see alot of work has gone into putting the codex together which i think we all appreciate. I have one question though. I noticed that there was no mention on the codex that some of the tracks on the single epoch eclipse cd have been slightly remixed. Quark strangness and charm has a repeating bass note at the start of the song and if my memeory is correct motorhead has some motorcycle reving noises on it. I can't remember if any of the other tracks are slightly different and do they warrant a mention on the codex? apart from that the codex is excellent, so for being picky. many thanks colm On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:28:23 -0400, Steve Youles wrote: >Dear BOC-L'ers > >By kind permission of Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge, who jointly created >the Hawkwind Codex, it is now online and updated at Starfarer's Hawkwind >Page (http://www.starfarer.net) > >The Codex lists all the versions of every HW song, noting how they differ >and on which albums they appear. Synonyms are also covered (if, for >example you didn't know -as I didn't- that "Psychedelia Lives" is a variant >of "Shot Down In the Night"...) > >Any corrections will be gratefully received :-) > >Steve > >PS: Anyone who wants to take issue with any element of the web design, >don't waste your breath...I don't care in the slightest. If, on the other >hand, you have some brilliant idea for improving the delivery of the HW >Codex and you're willing to undertake the development, that would be >great. (I already tried PDF and it expanded to 717Kb) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 06:57:15 2002 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:57:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website In-Reply-To: Michael W Blackman's message of Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:24:22 EDT Message-ID: Michael W Blackman writes: > > Went from 133,000 gerbil box to 450 gerbils trying to get them to > > breed to 4,000,000;-) > Rats would be better Star Rats of course! FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Aug 29 08:03:44 2002 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:03:44 +0800 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even > gooder - I'm sure. > > Better, Michael. Bestest, Laura > > I've never had problems with Mission Control either. :-) And I'm looking > forward to the new incarnation...... Recarnation, Laura. I've had no probs with MC but can someone tell me where I can find.....? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:29:57 AEDT, Rik Rx > writes: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > , as per the 'traditional' > > > conventions of web-design. As this > > > appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a > choice > > > of an updated graphical rich interface, > > > and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} > > > > hehe > > > > > The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better > navigation, a > > > password protected area for HW > > > passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line > > > merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail > > > announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded > > > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > > > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and > > > > Yea and they did feast merrily upon fine bread, corn, mutton & fish and > sloth and the wine and ale did flow freely but the hangovers were slight the > next morning. > > > > > > > > As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts of > > > stuff that has to work over a huge > > > combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, > Platforms > > > inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - > > > but hang in there...... > > > > > > Rx > > > > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even > gooder - I'm sure. > > From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 10:12:19 2002 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:12:19 +0100 Subject: Ozric Tentacles Tree Message-ID: Hope this is OK, I know there are some Ozric Fans here..... Yes well, it's getting to that time again, time to plant a seed for an Ozric Oak ;) I'm taking sign-ups at pwibrew13 at blueyonder.co.uk for the last 3 Ozric Tentacles recordings to grace the shelves they are: Zappanale13 Festival - Bad Doberan, Germany 27:7:02 2CD Parklife Free Festival - Gillingham UK 17:8:02 1CD Canterbury Fayre - Faversham 23:8:02 1CD sign-up to me in at the above email, stating in the subject line 'ozrics festivals' (for filtration) and if possible give the following information Name... Email... Country... County/State... Branch/Leaf... Which discs (if not all)... and since this is getting offered across several lists (yes, sorry some of you will get this more than once) could you indicate which offer you're responding to ie, neoquark, erpnotes etc.(I know it's sad, but that sort of thing interests me) They are 3 really great recordings of 3 amazing performances...miss out at your peril ;) set lists will soon be up at my trade pages http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/cdrlistozric.html or my attempt at a gig guide http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/ozricgigguide.html all the best Peter PS.. I havn't decided a close date yet for sign-ups I will post a reminder nearer the time of closure From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Aug 29 10:38:17 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:38:17 -0600 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Steve Youles wrote: >PS: Anyone who wants to take issue with any element of the web design, >don't waste your breath...I don't care in the slightest. If, on the other >hand, you have some brilliant idea for improving the delivery of the HW >Codex and you're willing to undertake the development, that would be >great. (I already tried PDF and it expanded to 717Kb) > Well, the site's kinda ugly, but at least I can find things. :-) The Codex looks good, and I can't think of any fantastic way to do it better (maybe make a menu page, and break the codex up into, say, four pages so they load faster). And provide a link for downloading the text version. BTW, what's the red text mean? Guido From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 11:37:06 2002 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Guido Vacano attacked Rik with the following statements: > you are portraying yourself as some sort of web design professional. I'd > just like to see something (anything) which supports these claims. > Let's face it, you're into ugly graphics, clashing colors, proprietary tags, > and gee whiz > freebie javascripts. > Some are more "finished" than others. Yours are apparently more > "unfinished" than most > As for your 300+ sites, I'd love to see any of them. could you list five or > ten of them? Have you, actually, designed a commercial site that is > currently on the web? > It speaks volumes for your approach to web design. > I doubt you're all that concerned about these people anyway > It's a pity Hawkwind won't go to the > bother of finding someone who can cobble together a good site. > The site is a dysfunctional eyesore. Guido, why not try some constructive criticism for a change instead of this digital cock waving/ pissing contest? Asking Rik to prove his web authoring prowess in a public forum is fundamentally wrong. If you can do better then where's your Hawkwind web page? C'mon Guido, we'd love to see it. http://www.vacano.com is not that wonderful really is it? Do you give your brother grief about it? I doubt it. Ever heard the word Elitist? You come across as one and after reading your recent emails the first thought that springs to mind is "What a ****." FYI This email has been written under the influence of a few jars of the finest Timothy Taylor's Landlord. No doubt my grovelling apology, after spouting off, will appear in this arena soon...just like others. P.S. Oh yeah, nearly forgot....this email is "without prejudice" :-) From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Aug 29 12:31:59 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:31:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > Guido, why not try some constructive criticism for a change instead of this > digital cock waving/ pissing contest? Good question. I did try, about a year ago (I'll have to check the boc-l archives for the exact date, if you require it). Rik knows far too much to accept constructive criticism from ignorant non-professionals such as myself. > Asking Rik to prove his web authoring prowess in a public forum is > fundamentally wrong. I'd agree, except he was bragging about his web authoring prowess in a public forum. If he's going to brag, I think asking for evidence to support his claims is not unreasonable. > If you can do better then where's your Hawkwind web page? > C'mon Guido, we'd love to see it. Thanks for the encouragement! I've been toying with doing a HW site. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources available to Rik Rx (he's "official" after all), and as I have a full time job (no, not as a web designer), time is an issue. Additionally, Rik is paid for his work. For me, it would simply be a labor of love. If anyone would like to help by providing any content, it'd be much appreciated. It is something I would like to do. > http://www.vacano.com is not that wonderful > really is it? Do you give your brother grief about it? I doubt it. I think it's a nice site. His use of colors and graphics is tasteful, the text is easy to read, the navigation is effective. I think it's a muck better site than "Mission Control". And yes, when my brother does something bizarre on his site, I call him on it. To be fair, I'll give you (and anyone else) the chance to slag my work. Here are some examples: http://eri.uchsc.edu http://www.lazertime.net http://home.attbi.com/~nycademon http://www.spiralrealm.com Spiral Realm is not finished, and I haven't had time to pursue it. But then, it's not my primary source of income. > Ever heard the word Elitist? You come across as one and after reading your > recent emails the first thought that springs to mind is "What a ****." Fair enough, maybe you're right. But in the interests of fairness, you might take a closer look at Rik's posts. He misrepresents himself, claiming a professional status (and a distasteful accompanying arrogance) that he does not possess. He treats any and all criticism with disdain. I've found his attitude infuriating, and yes, I suppose I've over-reacted. > FYI This email has been written under the influence of a few jars of the > finest Timothy Taylor's Landlord. No doubt my grovelling apology, after > spouting off, will appear in this arena soon...just like others. Ah, well, maybe we'll meet some time, get drunk, and laugh our asses off about this. Stranger things have happened. > P.S. Oh yeah, nearly forgot....this email is "without prejudice" :-) Okay. :-) Guido From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Aug 29 12:43:06 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:43:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Whoops! Quoting myself: I think it's a muck better site than "Mission Control". I meant "much", of course. Sheesh! :- P Guido From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Aug 29 14:35:04 2002 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:35:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: At 08:38 2002-08-29 -0600, you wrote: >Steve Youles wrote: > >>PS: Anyone who wants to take issue with any element of the web design, >>don't waste your breath...I don't care in the slightest. If, on the other >>hand, you have some brilliant idea for improving the delivery of the HW >>Codex and you're willing to undertake the development, that would be >>great. (I already tried PDF and it expanded to 717Kb) >> > >Well, the site's kinda ugly, but at least I can find things. :-) The >Codex looks good, and I can't think of any fantastic way to do it better >(maybe make a menu page, and break the codex up into, say, four pages so >they load faster). And provide a link for downloading the text version. >BTW, what's the red text mean? > >Guido "New entries in red" You would reduce the file size five times by the simple use of the 
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tags in this "pure ASCII" effort. Happy to at last see a recent copy of the Codex online. peace and levitation, .joe From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Thu Aug 29 14:50:17 2002 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (nycademon at ATTBI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:50:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: > You would reduce the file size five times by the simple use of the > 
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tags in this "pure ASCII" effort. > > Happy to at last see a recent copy of the Codex online. > > peace and levitation, > .joe I just looked at the code. The problem isn't that it's in HTML, it's that the HTML was generated using Microsoft Word, and Word dumps in an enormous amount of unnecessary tag text. Steve, if you'd like, I'll be happy to make a "clean" version, which will be a MUCH smaller file. Guido From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 17:32:45 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:32:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > > FYI This email has been written under the influence of a few jars of the > finest Timothy Taylor's Landlord. No doubt my grovelling apology, after > spouting off, will appear in this arena soon...just like others. > > P.S. Oh yeah, nearly forgot....this email is "without prejudice" :-) > Chortle. At least someone's got a sense of humour round here! :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 17:42:08 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: > > To be fair, I'll give you (and anyone else) the chance to slag my work. Here are some examples: > > http://eri.uchsc.edu > http://www.lazertime.net > http://home.attbi.com/~nycademon > http://www.spiralrealm.com > > Spiral Realm is not finished, and I haven't had time to pursue it. But then, it's not my primary source of income. >From someone who *does* class himself as a professional web developer (not designer), I'd say those are perfectly adequate sites. Nothing special, nothing too disastrous - they work, and they fulfill their requirements. Easy to navigate, quick (at least over an ADSL link :-) ) to load, nothing too clever (which is something I'm guilty of). If I were the marketing manager of a huge multinational company, I wouldn't employ you to do my website, but as you say - it's not your full time job. > > > Ever heard the word Elitist? You come across as one and after reading your > > recent emails the first thought that springs to mind is "What a ****." > > Fair enough, maybe you're right. But in the interests of fairness, you might take a closer look at Rik's posts. He misrepresents himself, claiming a professional status (and a distasteful accompanying arrogance) that he does not possess. He treats any and all criticism with disdain. I've found his attitude infuriating, and yes, I suppose I've over-reacted. Yes, he does. (And you're not the first person to mention that, either on the list, or in a couple of private emails I've had from people on the list) And maybe you did. And I think I did. But hey - what's this forum for if it's not for expressing opinions? > > > FYI This email has been written under the influence of a few jars of the > > finest Timothy Taylor's Landlord. No doubt my grovelling apology, after > > spouting off, will appear in this arena soon...just like others. > > Ah, well, maybe we'll meet some time, get drunk, and laugh our asses off about this. Stranger things have happened. More beer!!! :-) Cheers, Rich. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 18:27:59 2002 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:27:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Now I remember why I took a holiday from the Codex! To some extent many of the "new" sounds noticed on reissues are the product of cleaning up the sound rather than remixing it. And in cases where the difference is only minimal (i.e. there is no significant additional or new material) there is no need to assign a new version number. I think both FoFP and myself agreed that (please correct me if I:m wrong!) if a version was cleaned up to the extent that the whole thing became consistently and obviously improved then it might perhaps merit the addition of an (a) after the version number and perhaps, a note at the end to say that version 7a (or whatever) is a cleaned up / digitised (or whatever) version. This would assist people in deciding whether they wanted to go for quality or price in the available versions of the track concerned but didn't get too bogged down in finnicky details. But regardless of all that! Thank you Steve for your assistance with the Codex. You've done a wonderful job with the updating and it's great to see it available again. I'll go with whatever you decide! cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jobson, Eddie To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online > Sorry to be picky but doesn't Back on the Streets start with a raw guitar > sound as well on that single version? > > -----Original Message----- > From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 29/08/02 10:29 > Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online > > THe Codex is a great addtion to your website. I can see alot of work has > gone into putting the codex together which i think we all appreciate. > > I have one question though. I noticed that there was no mention on the > codex that some of the tracks on the single epoch eclipse cd have been > slightly remixed. Quark strangness and charm has a repeating bass note > at > the start of the song and if my memeory is correct motorhead has some > motorcycle reving noises on it. > > I can't remember if any of the other tracks are slightly different and > do > they warrant a mention on the codex? > > apart from that the codex is excellent, so for being picky. > > many thanks > > colm > From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Aug 29 08:36:11 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:36:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even > > gooder - I'm sure. > > > > Better, Michael. > > Bestest, Laura > > > > I've never had problems with Mission Control either. :-) And I'm looking > > forward to the new incarnation...... > > Recarnation, Laura. > > I've had no probs with MC but can someone tell me where I can find.....? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:57 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:29:57 AEDT, Rik Rx > > writes: > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > , as per the 'traditional' > > > > conventions of web-design. As this > > > > appears much too radical for some to grasp, the new site will have a > > choice > > > > of an updated graphical rich interface, > > > > and a very basic one for those who don't like to think too much. :-} > > > > > > hehe > > > > > > > The site on relaunch will include many more pages, much better > > navigation, a > > > > password protected area for HW > > > > passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line > > > > merchandising, a java chat facility, an e-mail > > > > announcement facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, an upgraded > > > > guestbook, a text only option (oh, hi Arin !), > > > > downloadable HW screensavers and browser skins, and > > > > > > Yea and they did feast merrily upon fine bread, corn, mutton & fish and > > sloth and the wine and ale did flow freely but the hangovers were slight > the > > next morning. > > > > > > > > > > > As the site is >75mb over 1800 pages, with filters, XML and all sorts > of > > > > stuff that has to work over a huge > > > > combination of browsers (of various versions), operating systems, > > Platforms > > > > inc. webTV etc etc it's taking a while - > > > > but hang in there...... > > > > > > > > Rx > > > > > > Mission Control 1 came and it was good. The second coming shall be even > > gooder - I'm sure. > > > > From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Aug 30 00:26:34 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:26:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your responses. The Codex needs to be correct, so if anyone spots something that doesn't look right, bringing it up isn't being "picky" - it's necessary, and I for one appreciate the input. Guido, I will most certainly take you up on your offer of a clean HTML version of the Codex :-) I know what a vile mess Word makes when you save as HTML, but the alternative was to spend hours/days fooling around with some other software that I don't understand and have no desire to learn... I still regard Jill and Mike as the authorities on the subject, as they are the owners of the Codex, not me. The credit is theirs and the mistakes are mine :-) Steve From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 30 00:34:27 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:34:27 +0800 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I like a lot of Nik's early stuff, such as Xitintoday, what he did on the Hawkwind albums prior to leaving first time around, as well as his ICU material. However, since that period when he rejoined the band, the only thing that he has done that (for me anyway) seemed worthwile, was his work on the Anubian Lights albums. His other solo recordings, where he was mostly rehashing older material, tended to have excellent work by the others on those albums, but were let down by his own involvement on them. > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:13 AEDT, nycademon at ATTBI.COM writes: > > > I agree, I think his flute playing on Xitintoday by Sphynx (is this > > where all the "x" stuff started?) is excellent. His sax noodling fit > > in well in the early 70's. I don't think it clicks with anything > > Hawkwind has done since "Astounding Sounds Amazing > > Music". > > > > Guido > > I've got the flute recording he did in the Chambers - > good stuff > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Fri Aug 30 02:19:37 2002 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:19:37 +1000 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: Love the Codex - great work, wish I had a million hours to put together something like it - take this as AWE not sarcasm. I do have one question for all the Hawkwind experts - how come a beautiful song like The Demented Man appears on only one album? There are a couple of others but this one strikes me as strange, or am I the only one who loves the hippie vibe generated by this track? Allan > By kind permission of Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge, who jointly created > the Hawkwind Codex, it is now online and updated at Starfarer's Hawkwind > Page (http://www.starfarer.net) > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 30 06:42:22 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (Warburton, Chris (OAG)) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:42:22 +0100 Subject: Off: BEER Message-ID: -----Original Message----- jjarrett wrote: >>On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:25:37AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: >> Right you are - I got myself a job yesterday, so give it a month or so >> for me to get paid, then the first couple of rounds are on me. >> >> First round, Marston's "Merrie Monk". > > --MWB rant snipped-- < < >You going to send the bottles out to Australia, Rich? What is Merrie Monk, >anyway, not one of the Marstons I've encountered. They make a very dry beer >by and large it seems to me, not bad, just unusual. Yours, >Jon Time to set the record straight on a few things here *G* Marstons Merrie Monk is Pedigree with some caramel added to make it a dark beer - it certainly used to be the case that no pub actually IN Burton bothered selling it. Virtually nobody in the borough sold the cookin' bitter either, since no self respecting native would bother drinking it. I did have a slightly strange mild altercation with a publican on the Staffs/Cheshire border, who didn't really belive me when I told hi barmaid that the Pedigree was "off". I said "Here, try it yourself!", to which his response was "There's no point, I don't drink it, I only ever drink the bitter" - so, he obviously never even CHECKED his premium product - go figure. Needless to say, He's not running THAT pub any more. In the days when it had two weeks cask conditioning in the brewery before shipping, Marstons Pedigree, when kept properly, was the finest premium bitter bar none. I do concede that it disagrees with some people, apparently partly due to the unique yeast strain which produces longer chain alcohols in addition to good old Ethyl. Unfortunately, corporate bean-counters (I think from Whitbread, who used to have a substantial holding) decided that in order to gain a windfall profit equivalent to that two weeks worth of fine ale and never mind that they were ruining the reputation of their flagship product. Kinda like when Bass took out their Burton Unions and went for secondary fermentation in tanks. Pedigree has recovered somewhat since then, but following the above armageddon, the most consistently good beer that I had in that period was definitely Taylor's Landlord. That beer CAN travel, never had any problems with it in Derbyshire, and it's always fine when it's a guest at Victoria here in Dunstable; I think it's a question of receiving the appropriate TLC from the pub landlord. Youngs: we-e-e-ll-ll, it's alright, but for consistency & quality (again, it may be to do with the general standard of the publicans) I reckon Fuller Smith & Turner win hands down as producers of London beer(IMNSHO). In general terms though, unless I have prior knowledge of quality ale in a quality hotelry, I subscribe to the esteemed Mr. Lockwood's view that drinking the local pop is generally the best option. In defense of my somewhat arrogantly stated views, my excuse is that I grew up in Burton Upon Trent, brewing capital of Britain, in the days when the companies that sold the beer were still actually breweries, and since there was basically *** all else to do in Burton, you became a beer connoisseur by default. Cheers ChrisW From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 30 06:47:51 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:51 +0100 Subject: [HW] Motorcycle Irene Message-ID: I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at least about, Motorcycle Irene. Eh?? I've heard that name mentioned a few times, but always in connection with Lemmy. Am I going mad? Can someone explain this? Chris. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 30 07:07:40 2002 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:07:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: WebDesign flames Message-ID: We're all getting a bit heated here aren't we??? I think that shouting at each other about aesthetic criteria is a bit pointless - one man's meat & all that. For my 2p worth (and meant in a spirit of amiable suggestion), if the idea is to disseminate information easily to the widest possible fanbase I would have thought that rather than trying to cater separately for umpteen different kinds of browser, it would make sense to build the bulk of the site to be www standards compliant: I know that some desirable features can only be implemented using "bells & whistles" or browser-specific functionality, but can't they be restricted to areas where they're needed? In my own case, I have on at least one occasion taken my business to somebody's rival because they had a website that didn't function in the browser that I was obliged to use at the time - in fact, it ****ed up the PC and locked it up so badly that it had to get the BRS treatment. After all, the whole original idea of the web was to provide a universal method of information access.... ChrisW (Another computing professional *G*) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 30 07:15:24 2002 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (stephe lindas) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:15:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: Anubian Lights were members of Farflung. I wouldn't consider that Niks work, although I'm sure Sphynx inspired it. Nik is only credited on a few tracks. Cheers STEPHE ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > I like a lot of Nik's early stuff, such as Xitintoday, what he did on the > Hawkwind albums prior to leaving first time around, as well as his ICU > material. However, since that period when he rejoined the band, the only > thing that he has done that (for me anyway) seemed worthwile, was his work > on the Anubian Lights albums. His other solo recordings, where he was mostly > rehashing older material, tended to have excellent work by the others on > those albums, but were let down by his own involvement on them. > > > > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:13 AEDT, nycademon at ATTBI.COM > writes: > > > > > I agree, I think his flute playing on Xitintoday by Sphynx (is this > > > where all the "x" stuff started?) is excellent. His sax noodling fit > > > in well in the early 70's. I don't think it clicks with anything > > > Hawkwind has done since "Astounding Sounds Amazing > > > Music". > > > > > > Guido > > > > I've got the flute recording he did in the Chambers - > > good stuff > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 30 07:14:53 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:14:53 EDT Subject: Off: BEER Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:44:07 AEDT, "Warburton, Chris (OAG)" writes: > >> First round, Marston's "Merrie Monk". > > > --MWB rant snipped-- < < Thanks christ for that. Like we REALLY need to read that dudes babble more than once. Really, it gets on my pecks, it does. I can't quite recall just who he is but for some strange reason those initials seem rather familiar. TTFN Bruce From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 30 07:18:49 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:18:49 EDT Subject: OFF: WebDesign flames Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:08:39 AEDT, ChrisW Work writes: > We're all getting a bit heated here aren't we??? > I think that shouting at each other about aesthetic criteria is a bit > pointless - one man's meat & all that. Hear, Hear!! Its all just plain SILLY. Much more fun to fart on a lighted match..... well, that is if you haven't got a seriosly hairy crack. But if your brave enough - extra giggles for the audience.... From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 30 08:00:03 2002 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:00:03 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Motorcycle Irene Message-ID: I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at least about, Motorcycle Irene. Eh?? I've heard that name mentioned a few times, but always in connection with Lemmy. Am I going mad? Does anyone know what stories may be behind this?? Chris. From joe.e at TELIA.COM Fri Aug 30 08:50:48 2002 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:50:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: At 00:26 2002-08-30 -0400, you wrote: >Guido, I will most certainly take you up on your offer of a clean HTML >version of the Codex :-) I know what a vile mess Word makes when you save >as HTML, but the alternative was to spend hours/days fooling around with >some other software that I don't understand and have no desire to learn... > >Steve hi Steve, I remember the codex file as a simple text file. If Jill/Mike hasn't changed format, you surely got the original from them in a notepad.exe format - named such as "codex46.txt". The absolutely most cleanest way to publish that information is just to move the untouched text file to your web, and link it from your main page. And it looks *almost* like your current page, except for the red color and the hyperlinks. peace and levitation, .joe From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Aug 30 10:47:08 2002 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:47:08 +0800 Subject: HW: Mission Control Website Message-ID: I agree with you there, as it is really the work of the members of Farflung. Although I would also not consider it to be Nik's work, I do think that what he does do on those albums is the best he has done for a while. Maybe what I am really saying here is that he is best at doing that Eastern Egyptian-style flute playing. William > Anubian Lights were members of Farflung. I wouldn't consider that Niks work, > although I'm sure Sphynx inspired it. Nik is only credited on a few tracks. > Cheers STEPHE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control Website > > > > I like a lot of Nik's early stuff, such as Xitintoday, what he did on the > > Hawkwind albums prior to leaving first time around, as well as his ICU > > material. However, since that period when he rejoined the band, the only > > thing that he has done that (for me anyway) seemed worthwile, was his work > > on the Anubian Lights albums. His other solo recordings, where he was > mostly > > rehashing older material, tended to have excellent work by the others on > > those albums, but were let down by his own involvement on them. > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:13 AEDT, nycademon at ATTBI.COM > > writes: > > > > > > > I agree, I think his flute playing on Xitintoday by Sphynx (is this > > > > where all the "x" stuff started?) is excellent. His sax noodling fit > > > > in well in the early 70's. I don't think it clicks with anything > > > > Hawkwind has done since "Astounding Sounds Amazing > > > > Music". > > > > > > > > Guido > > > > > > I've got the flute recording he did in the Chambers - > > > good stuff > > > > From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 30 10:55:19 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:55:19 EDT Subject: Open up...... its the piiiiii - - iiigggsssssss Message-ID: What have we got here me liddle beauties??? Bags of this..... vials of that....... You're all nicked, you are!! Any plans for a Hawkwind X-Mas Party gig this year? From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 30 11:09:00 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:09:00 EDT Subject: Open up...... its the piiiiii - - iiigggsssssss Message-ID: In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:55:20 AEDT, Michaelangelo68 writes: > Any plans for a Hawkwind X-Mas Party gig this year? Yes there is a mention on Mission Control of the posibility ;-) From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Aug 30 11:36:18 2002 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:36:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: I'm no Hawkwind expert, BUT... My take on this is that the HW songs with multiple versions get to be that way because they're live favourites. The Demented Man (great song, I agree) is probably not amenable to being played live, as it's a Brock solo number and acoustic to boot. And none of the WOTEOT material ever seems to appear on any compilations these days, probably for the same reason that the album itself has been unavailable for so long.... Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:19:37 +1000, Allan Sharpe wrote: >Love the Codex - great work, wish I had a million hours to put together >something like it - take this as AWE not sarcasm. > >I do have one question for all the Hawkwind experts - how come a beautiful >song like The Demented Man appears on only one album? There are a couple of >others but this one strikes me as strange, or am I the only one who loves >the hippie vibe generated by this track? > >Allan From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Aug 30 12:44:44 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:44:44 -0300 Subject: HW:SLOTERDIJK News: Live 'Goldman' on Belgian mp3 sever Message-ID: Hello everyone, only a moment to write, but here goes: The SLOTERDIJK cut 'Fred Goldman's Mustache' Live can be heard at: www.belgiammp3.be/mp3/SLOTERDIJK This version of the tunes was recorded September 30, 2000. It was at The 30th Annual Bike Day Weekend, sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, PA. The show was on the clubhouse grounds, near Harleysville, Pennsylvania. Lineup was: Mike Burro: guitar, synths, programming & vocals Jay Adcock, synths, guitar Bob McConnel: guitar Rob Eckstedt: bass The next Sloterdijk album will likely be a completely live one, as I see the latest disc, as the the last of a sort of trilogy. This was never the intent, however in reexamining the material, I see a common line of linear development, with regard to ideas & emotions. Hope you all enjoy it. A few more tunes and a mirror site for the OEBs will also be online in the coming days. Peace, MIke From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Aug 30 12:47:14 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:47:14 -0300 Subject: HW:SLOTERDIJK News: Live 'Goldman' on Belgian mp3 sever Message-ID: sorry, that's: http://www.belgiummp3.be/mp3/SLOTERDIJK Cheers!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Burro Mike Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:44 PM To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; Sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Subject: HW:SLOTERDIJK News: Live 'Goldman' on Belgian mp3 sever Hello everyone, only a moment to write, but here goes: The SLOTERDIJK cut 'Fred Goldman's Mustache' Live can be heard at: www.belgiammp3.be/mp3/SLOTERDIJK This version of the tunes was recorded September 30, 2000. It was at The 30th Annual Bike Day Weekend, sponsored by The Freedom Riders MC, Montgomery County, PA. The show was on the clubhouse grounds, near Harleysville, Pennsylvania. Lineup was: Mike Burro: guitar, synths, programming & vocals Jay Adcock, synths, guitar Bob McConnel: guitar Rob Eckstedt: bass The next Sloterdijk album will likely be a completely live one, as I see the latest disc, as the the last of a sort of trilogy. This was never the intent, however in reexamining the material, I see a common line of linear development, with regard to ideas & emotions. Hope you all enjoy it. A few more tunes and a mirror site for the OEBs will also be online in the coming days. Peace, MIke From novadrive at COX.NET Fri Aug 30 15:46:41 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:46:41 -0700 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online In-Reply-To: <003901c24fed$3a73b460$6702a6cb@default> Message-ID: You're definitely NOT the only one....that's one I'd love to hear live. KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Allan Sharpe > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:20 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online > > > Love the Codex - great work, wish I had a million hours to put together > something like it - take this as AWE not sarcasm. > > I do have one question for all the Hawkwind experts - how come a beautiful > song like The Demented Man appears on only one album? There are a > couple of > others but this one strikes me as strange, or am I the only one who loves > the hippie vibe generated by this track? > > Allan From waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Aug 30 16:00:11 2002 From: waesche1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Laura Waesche) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:00:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online Message-ID: One of my favorite Hawkwind songs of all time.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online > You're definitely NOT the only one....that's one I'd love to hear live. > > > KevinSommers > "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Allan Sharpe > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:20 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Updated Hawkwind Codex now online > > > > > > Love the Codex - great work, wish I had a million hours to put together > > something like it - take this as AWE not sarcasm. > > > > I do have one question for all the Hawkwind experts - how come a beautiful > > song like The Demented Man appears on only one album? There are a > > couple of > > others but this one strikes me as strange, or am I the only one who loves > > the hippie vibe generated by this track? > > > > Allan From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Aug 30 20:15:01 2002 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:15:01 +0100 Subject: Off: BEER Message-ID: I always said that Mr Warburton was a fine man of distinction, quality, finese and extreme good taste. (Although I've had many a good night on the Marston's Cooking Bitter, and more than a few on the MM. Timothy Taylor sell a fine ale called "Ram Tam", which is Landlord with added caramel - it's also a fine ale, just not to the standard of the original Landlord. Merrie Monk much the same.) As regarding London beers, my local pub sells a fine pint of Fuller's London Pride, but this evening I went for a few ales with some friends from my old work (the company has relocated, and today being my first day in my new job, I realised that they're just down the road from us), and had some truly splendid pints of Young's Special. I can't really pick between a good pint of Fuller's and a good pint of Youngs. (Obviously, a pint of Fuller's is better in Chiswick and a pint of Young's is better in Wandsworth...) As I said, a man of great taste. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warburton, Chris (OAG)" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Off: BEER > -----Original Message----- > jjarrett wrote: > >>On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:25:37AM +0100, Richard Lockwood typed out: > >> Right you are - I got myself a job yesterday, so give it a month or so > >> for me to get paid, then the first couple of rounds are on me. > >> > >> First round, Marston's "Merrie Monk". > > > --MWB rant snipped-- < < > >You going to send the bottles out to Australia, Rich? What is Merrie Monk, > >anyway, not one of the Marstons I've encountered. They make a very dry beer > > >by and large it seems to me, not bad, just unusual. Yours, > >Jon > Time to set the record straight on a few things here *G* > > Marstons Merrie Monk is Pedigree with some caramel added to make it > a dark beer - it certainly used to be the case that no pub actually IN > Burton bothered selling it. Virtually nobody in the borough sold the > cookin' bitter either, since no self respecting native would bother drinking > it. I did have a slightly strange mild altercation with a publican on the > Staffs/Cheshire border, who didn't really belive me when I told hi barmaid > that the Pedigree was "off". I said "Here, try it yourself!", to which his > response was "There's no point, I don't drink it, I only ever drink the > bitter" - so, he obviously never even CHECKED his premium product - go > figure. Needless to say, He's not running THAT pub any more. > > In the days when it had two weeks cask conditioning in the brewery > before shipping, Marstons Pedigree, when kept properly, was the finest > premium bitter bar none. I do concede that it disagrees with some people, > apparently partly due to the unique yeast strain which produces longer chain > alcohols in addition to good old Ethyl. > > Unfortunately, corporate bean-counters (I think from Whitbread, who > used to have a substantial holding) decided that in order to gain a windfall > profit equivalent to that two weeks worth of fine ale and never mind that > they were ruining the reputation of their flagship product. Kinda like when > Bass took out their Burton Unions and went for secondary fermentation in > tanks. > > Pedigree has recovered somewhat since then, but following the above > armageddon, the most consistently good beer that I had in that period was > definitely Taylor's Landlord. That beer CAN travel, never had any problems > with it in Derbyshire, and it's always fine when it's a guest at Victoria > here in Dunstable; I think it's a question of receiving the appropriate TLC > from the pub landlord. > > Youngs: we-e-e-ll-ll, it's alright, but for consistency & quality (again, it > may be to do with the general standard of the publicans) I reckon Fuller > Smith & Turner win hands down as producers of London beer(IMNSHO). > > In general terms though, unless I have prior knowledge of quality ale in a > quality hotelry, I subscribe to the esteemed Mr. Lockwood's view that > drinking the local pop is generally the best option. > > In defense of my somewhat arrogantly stated views, my excuse is that I grew > up in Burton Upon Trent, brewing capital of Britain, in the days when the > companies that sold the beer were still actually breweries, and since there > was basically *** all else to do in Burton, you became a beer connoisseur by > default. > > Cheers > ChrisW > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Aug 30 20:49:22 2002 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:49:22 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 8/24 & Reminder Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. NOTE: SDNC will air from 5-7pm PST tomorrow evening...following that will be 2 hours of hip college music...then SDNC again from 9-11. 8/24 1.Vas Deferens Organization-- "Tao City Hovercraft" (Sweat Your Cheeses, But Not in My Salad; Charnel) 2.ST 37-- "The Pride and the Hole" (Nunavut; Blue Circle) 3.JFK Jr. Royal Airforce-- "Navagator" (2; Slutfish) 4.Zendik Orgaztra-- "Madman" (Dance of the Cosmic Warriorz) 5.Loren Connors-- title track pt. 1 (Departing of a Dream; Family Vineyard) 6.Ashqelon Quilt-- "One by One/Crown" (The Event; thanx to Hi-Note/Headline!) 7.Terri~B-- "An Only Child" (Wrap Me in Your Skin; Hi-note/Headline) 8.Gong-- title-track (Flying Teapot; Charly/Decal) 9.Quarkspace-- "Farienot Space" (Strange Daze '97 comp; Pangea) 10.Robert Calvert-- "The Right Stuff" (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters; BGO) 11.Hawkwind-- "Dream Worker" (Choose Your Masques; EBS) 12.Steve Roach-- "Touch the Pearl" (Light Fantastic; Fathom) 13.Slowdeck-- "Ill World Pt. 2" (Multiple Offenses; Waveform) 14.Amon Duul II-- "Pale Gallery" (Yeti; Repertoire) 15.F/i-- "Aum" (Out of Space, Out of Time; RRR) 16.Bablicon-- "An Orange Pumpkin Glowing Moon Ensemble" (The Orange Tapered Moon; Misra) thanks, Chuck From novadrive at COX.NET Fri Aug 30 23:51:02 2002 From: novadrive at COX.NET (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:51:02 -0700 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 Message-ID: I've just had a look at the cover of "Space Ritual Sundown V.2" Hmmmm. I've actually liked some of the artwork for various bootlegs, like the Decal CD of "Bring Me The Head Of..." which subtly referenced "WotEoT" with a simple colored pen-and-ink drawing. But not this time. This is a fairly horrible parody of the fantastic (Alfonse Mucha-inspired) original, as interpreted by a 14-year-old. Yuck. http://science.csustan.edu/JTB/FINE-ART/HISTORIC/ART-SRC/Mucha-Salammbo_1896 .jpg KevinSommers "Craziness, down through history, has performed impressively" From micci at SCI.FI Sat Aug 31 04:34:39 2002 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:34:39 +0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?HW:_Brock=B4s_fringe_jacket?= In-Reply-To: <200208261037.LAA24664@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi! I need pictures Brock?s fringe jacket. If you have others than from stonehenge84, send them to me, please. I looking fringe jackets (not bon jovi model), so if someone have and want to sell it, please contact me privately! Miikka Wagner E- Mail: star.lion at sci.fi or hawkwind at friikki.net Official Finnish Hawkwind Association ry http://www.saunalahti.fi/freak5 From drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sat Aug 31 04:41:41 2002 From: drb.serendipity at DSL.PIPEX.COM (David Blair) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:41:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , KevinSommers writes >I've just had a look at the cover of "Space Ritual Sundown V.2" >Hmmmm. I've actually liked some of the artwork for various bootlegs, like >the Decal CD of "Bring Me The Head Of..." which subtly referenced "WotEoT" >with a simple colored pen-and-ink drawing. >But not this time. This is a fairly horrible parody of the fantastic >(Alfonse Mucha-inspired) original, as interpreted by a 14-year-old. >Yuck. >http://science.csustan.edu/JTB/FINE-ART/HISTORIC/ART-SRC/Mucha-Salammbo_1896 >.jpg The original is a bit of a Mucha collage - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1029/emerald.jpg The new one is... what Kevin said http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006BXGU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg -- David Blair From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 31 11:01:26 2002 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:01:26 -0300 Subject: HW:Farewell Radio Free Saskatoon ( and Thank You) Message-ID: I'd just like to offer a word of thanks to Jeff at RFS for the great programming and dedication he brought to the station. Thank you for supporting Sloterdijk and all the other great bands we all enjoy around here. Peace..Mike From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Sat Aug 31 13:25:43 2002 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:25:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: Hey, out there! Message-ID: Gruezi! It's a lovely day here in Heidi-land (even the sheeps have bells), as I've come to call it here in rural Schweiz/Switzerland/Svizzera/Suisse/Confederatio Helvetica, whatever this silly country calls itself. They tell me it's terribly hot - highs of 22-23 C, which is a great thing to hear since it's always over 30 C in Columbus, Ohio this time of year. I've never seen any place else that is so meticulously manicured as this area of Switzerland (Aargau)...it's almost sickenly pleasant! :) I can't imagine how anybody gets anything done here, they spend so much time pruning their hedges and maintaining their gaudy flower gardens. Well, anyway... I'm sorry I haven't been able to contribute much to boc-l lately, but then it seems as though you were all busy discussing who was suing whom, and why all this nonsense anyway. I didn't have time to read it let alone type in my opinions, which I probably wouldn't have done anyway. So anyway, I'm done at Ohio State - cue the Elgar - (for now at least), and have a year here to learn German and figure out whether I like mayonnaise on French Fries (what's that all about?). So... I've got several shows to see here already marked down, including Deep Purple (again) here only 20 miles away in the middle of absolutely no-freaking-where, just a stone's throw south of the Rhein. That's the 19th, opened by some band called Dr. Feelgood, who I assume is not a Motley Crue cover band? Then there's a prog festival in Solothurn (near Bern) on the 18th-19th of October, with the old veterans Ertlif as headliners. Then I have pencilled in a trip to London for Nektar, Uriah Heep, et al., on Nov. 29-30, if they haven't announced a German/Europe tour by that point...I don't want to miss out on seeing them at all. I didn't make it to NJ for the NEARFest gig, and of course I'm not there to catch the other Jersey shows coming up either. Liquid Visions just played a festival here somewhere in Schweiz, the poster is still up here in the neighboring town, but alas I arrived too late to catch that one. Oh yeah, what happened with Kloster Cornberg this year? I saw a one line announcement that it was cancelled! I assume Burg Herzberg went on as planned? Anybody see it? ADII was on the bill I think? Finally, I'm hoping (big time) for some more Amon Duul II dates to show up on thinkprogressive.de, figuring that Muenchen must be in there somewhere. That's just four hours by train from here....can't miss that. Of course, there will be the WotW thing in the UK next spring (when is it again?) and I will certainly plan to head that way then also. Hope to see all you Euro's on the concert circuit for the upcoming year...am I the only one here in the .ch domain? Damn CDs are 30 CHF ($20) here....not that I've seen any stores worth shopping in...I think there's one in Basel though. Tchuss...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Scott, let me know if anything's up in Kobenhavn/Christiana... From jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Sat Aug 31 13:53:01 2002 From: jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:53:01 -0600 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 Message-ID: What's worse is the fact that the line between these recodings is beginning to blur: Hawkwind Space Ritual -- the original one. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568/hw03asrl.jpg Hawkwind Space Ritual Vol 2 -- the "other" one, the sales of which benefit who? http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006BXGU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Now that the artwork of Vol. 2 tries to copy (or at least emulate) the original artwork, there's a possibility that somebody with a very foggy memory of his life in the seventies might pick up the album while thinking that he's getting Space Ritual. It wouldn't happen to any of us on the list, but I think we can all picture some guy who can barely remember the early 70's (for good reason). So the poor guy gets nostalgic for something that he can vaguely remember, and gets suckered into buying Space Ritual Vol 2. (Not that the concert is bad, but why not just call it Ridicule again and sell that? Or do you actually get a few more units sold when you try to copy a product with some recognition value?) Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blair" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 > In article , > KevinSommers writes > >I've just had a look at the cover of "Space Ritual Sundown V.2" > >Hmmmm. I've actually liked some of the artwork for various bootlegs, like > >the Decal CD of "Bring Me The Head Of..." which subtly referenced "WotEoT" > >with a simple colored pen-and-ink drawing. > >But not this time. This is a fairly horrible parody of the fantastic > >(Alfonse Mucha-inspired) original, as interpreted by a 14-year-old. > >Yuck. > >http://science.csustan.edu/JTB/FINE-ART/HISTORIC/ART-SRC/Mucha-Salammbo_189 6 > >.jpg > > The original is a bit of a Mucha collage - > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1029/emerald.jpg > > The new one is... what Kevin said > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006BXGU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > -- > David Blair From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Sat Aug 31 18:27:53 2002 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:27:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Space Ritual Sundown V.2 > What's worse is the fact that the line between these recodings is beginning > to blur: > > Hawkwind Space Ritual -- the original one. > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568/hw03asrl.jpg > > Hawkwind Space Ritual Vol 2 -- the "other" one, the sales of which benefit > who? > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006BXGU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > > Now that the artwork of Vol. 2 tries to copy (or at least emulate) the > original artwork, there's a possibility that somebody with a very foggy > memory of his life in the seventies might pick up the album while thinking > that he's getting Space Ritual. It wouldn't happen to any of us on the > list, but I think we can all picture some guy who can barely remember the > early 70's (for good reason). So the poor guy gets nostalgic for something > that he can vaguely remember, and gets suckered into buying Space Ritual Vol > 2. (Not that the concert is bad, but why not just call it Ridicule again > and sell that? Or do you actually get a few more units sold when you try to > copy a product with some recognition value?) The otherside of this is that someone will see this on the shelves, assume they already have it, and not buy it at all. Maybe 'they' have shoot themselves in the foot? Si From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Aug 31 19:26:29 2002 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:26:29 +0100 Subject: [HW] Motorcycle Irene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dunno about the Lemmy connection, but "Motorcycle Irene" is indeed a song by the totally wonderful Moby Grape: go out and buy the Sony Legacy double CD remaster of their stuff instantly!!!! ChrisW At 11:47 30/08/02, you wrote: >I've just heard a song which I think is by Moby Grape, called, or at least >about, Motorcycle Irene. >Eh?? >I've heard that name mentioned a few times, but always in connection with >Lemmy. >Am I going mad? >Can someone explain this? > >Chris. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 31 22:28:29 2002 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:28:29 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 8/24 & Reminder Message-ID: An excellent track list. I see I forgot to slip Chuck a tenner this week. Confound my forgetfulness. Somedays I feel like the neighbors half blind and incontinant sheep dog. But wombats are more fun so I'll stick to them. Mwa hahaha In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:50:27 AEDT, Chuck Rosenberg writes: > "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. > Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims > TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: > For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing > list (REALLY!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. > > NOTE: SDNC will air from 5-7pm PST tomorrow evening...following that will be > 2 hours of hip college music...then SDNC again from 9-11. > > 8/24 > > 1.Vas Deferens Organization-- "Tao City Hovercraft" (Sweat Your Cheeses, But > Not in My Salad; Charnel) > > 2.ST 37-- "The Pride and the Hole" (Nunavut; Blue Circle) > 3.JFK Jr. Royal Airforce-- "Navagator" (2; Slutfish) > 4.Zendik Orgaztra-- "Madman" (Dance of the Cosmic Warriorz) > 5.Loren Connors-- title track pt. 1 (Departing of a Dream; Family Vineyard) > > 6.Ashqelon Quilt-- "One by One/Crown" (The Event; thanx to Hi-Note/Headline!) > 7.Terri~B-- "An Only Child" (Wrap Me in Your Skin; Hi-note/Headline) > 8.Gong-- title-track (Flying Teapot; Charly/Decal) > 9.Quarkspace-- "Farienot Space" (Strange Daze '97 comp; Pangea) > > 10.Robert Calvert-- "The Right Stuff" (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters; > BGO) > 11.Hawkwind-- "Dream Worker" (Choose Your Masques; EBS) > 12.Steve Roach-- "Touch the Pearl" (Light Fantastic; Fathom) > 13.Slowdeck-- "Ill World Pt. 2" (Multiple Offenses; Waveform) > 14.Amon Duul II-- "Pale Gallery" (Yeti; Repertoire) > > 15.F/i-- "Aum" (Out of Space, Out of Time; RRR) > 16.Bablicon-- "An Orange Pumpkin Glowing Moon Ensemble" (The Orange Tapered > Moon; Misra) > > thanks, Chuck